Supreme Court Accepts Cases Challenging s.230 Immunity for Tech Monopolies

This is a dangerous case. This isn't a win for Team Freedom, I don't think.

The Supreme Court said Monday it would take up a case that could fundamentally change the way Google and other tech companies are governed by Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, which protects them from lawsuits over content created by users.
In 2015, Nohemi Gonzalez, a 23-year-old U.S. citizen studying abroad in France, was murdered by ISIS terrorists who fired into a crowed bistro in Paris. Her family filed suit against Google, arguing that YouTube, which Google owns, aided and abetted the ISIS terrorists by allowing and promoting ISIS material on the platform with algorithms that helped to recruit ISIS radicals.

Lawyers for the Gonzalez family argued in their petition to the High Court that "despite extensive media coverage, complaints, legal warnings, congressional hearings, and other attention for providing online social media platform and communications services to ISIS, prior to the Paris attacks Google continued to provide those resources and services to ISIS and its affiliates, refusing to actively identity ISIS YouTube accounts and only reviewing accounts reported by other YouTube users."
Google is arguing that its platforms are protected by the Section 230 portion of the Communications Decency Act of 1996, which provides a legal shield to internet companies against lawsuits for "third-party" content posted on their platforms.

I say it's a dangerous case because this seems to me to be a case where Section 230 is actually intended to provide immunity. And I'm afraid the court might, in affirming that, over-affirm that point, and wind up granting these monopolies the power they claim they have, which is an untrammeled right to censor, whether in good faith or bad, without any liability whatsoever, and to make what are clearly publisher decisions, including about what stories to elevate and which to suppress and what headlines to themselves write -- again, with total immunity afforded to no other publisher in the world.

It's also dangerous because the argument that "the algorithms must be changed to stop speech that 'causes harm'" is the leftist censor mafia's entire argument, and that is the central legal claim of this case. If the family pressing the lawsuit prevails on its theory that the tech companies are at fault for not tweaking their "algorithms" to suppress "harmful content," then all the tech companies will say that their censorship of "anti-trans" and "anti-gay" and "anti-woman" and "anti-minority" and "anti-Muslim" and anti-etc. content is no longer just their choice -- it's required by US law as mandated by the Supreme Court.

Stochastic terrorism you guys!

A good outcome would be for the Court to affirm that s.230 immunizes platforms against harms caused by the writings of third parties -- but then adds dicta (advisories not directly related to the case or necessary to the ruling) that such immunity is available only to platforms when behaving as platforms, and only when they are acting in good faith.

Maybe add a footnote reminding that s.230 caveats its immunity on the premise that moderation will be done in "good faith."

That could then be used as precedent in a later ruling.

Posted by: Ace at 01:22 PM

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1 Good Faith.
Hasn't been any of that around lately.

Posted by: gourmand du jour, in the fog yet again at October 03, 2022 01:22 PM (jTmQV)

2 First

Posted by: kactus at October 03, 2022 01:22 PM (7APlw)

3 What would "good faith" look like for this case, one wonders?

Posted by: gdgm+ at October 03, 2022 01:23 PM (mucm9)

4 Dang it

Posted by: kactus at October 03, 2022 01:23 PM (7APlw)

5 Heller was thought by many as very risky too.

Posted by: rd at October 03, 2022 01:23 PM (Z32m1)

6 The plaintiff in this case hails from a protected class so maybe not such a slam-dunk for Big Brother.

Posted by: kallisto at October 03, 2022 01:23 PM (dCxaZ)

7 And who decides what *is* "good faith"?

Posted by: gdgm+ at October 03, 2022 01:24 PM (mucm9)

8 "I'm afraid the court might, in affirming that, over-affirm that point, and wind up granting these monopolies the power they claim they have, which is an untrammeled right to censor,"

The more the govt tries to 'fix' free speech, the more they're going to fuck it up. Bet on it.

Posted by: Top Of gp's Mind at October 03, 2022 01:24 PM (24fqN)

9 A good outcome would be for the Court to affirm that s.230 immunizes platforms against harms caused by the writings of third parties -- but then adds dicta (advisories not directly related to the case or necessary to the ruling) that such immunity is available only to platforms when behaving as platforms, and only when they are acting in good faith.

Maybe add a footnote reminding that s.230 caveats its immunity on the premise that moderation will be done in "good faith."

That could then be used as precedent in a later ruling.

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"This is good law, and it only applies to companies that actually meet the definition. Oh, and none of these social media companies meet the definition."

That could be fun.

Fingers crossed.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at October 03, 2022 01:25 PM (LvTSG)

10 This is a good case, since the status quo is already codifying the things we are worried about.

Posted by: Roy at October 03, 2022 01:25 PM (Ti+Tv)

11 I hate this analysis. It should be simple: if you limit speech, you are not classified as a platform. Extreme? Maybe, but what we see now is terrible, maybe worse than a free for all.

Posted by: Salty Alaskan at October 03, 2022 01:26 PM (UakLg)

12 An even better outcome would be President DeSantis signing a law repealing section 230 altogether.

Posted by: Frasier Crane at October 03, 2022 01:26 PM (bNf8H)

13 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 03, 2022 01:26 PM (Zz0t1)

14 I NOODlum'd.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 03, 2022 01:26 PM (Zz0t1)

15 I would like SCOTUS to rule that tech companies have to pick one or the other: publisher or platform, and be judged accordingly. That said, they should also include a codicil that Jeff Zuckerburg should be covered in honey and staked to a fire ant hill, just because.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 03, 2022 01:27 PM (ayzS/)

16 The Daily Daddario doesn't know what the future will hold, and she is withholding her emotional response:

https://tinyurl.com/r2a2bsdy

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at October 03, 2022 01:27 PM (LvTSG)

17 I thought this was gonna be about resolving the split between Texas and Florida. This doesn't sound like the right case they should be taken up be taking up.

Posted by: GetchaPull at October 03, 2022 01:27 PM (B3Y/Z)

18 1 Good Faith.
Hasn't been any of that around lately.
Posted by: gourmand du jour
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My faith is just fine.

Then again, it's in the Lord, not of things created by man, or things perverted by man.

Posted by: SMH at October 03, 2022 01:27 PM (MYp8q)

19 I think your suspicions are spot on, Ace, as all of the proposed changes will actually empower the techs, who are simultaneously claiming they're publishers until they're not, and content providers until they effectively are by cancelling view points they disagree with.

The really dumb thing about this debate, though, is that we're like prisoners with the key to our cells hanging around our necks. Simply unplug the big techs (is FB or Twitter actually that important n anyone's life?), though I will admit it is very difficult to get away from Google.

Posted by: Blacksheep at October 03, 2022 01:28 PM (6mvRv)

20 I say it's a dangerous case because this seems to me to be a case where Section 230 is actually intended to provide immunity. And I'm afraid the court might, in affirming that, over-affirm that point, and wind up granting these monopolies the power they claim they have, which is an untrammeled right to censor, whether in good faith or bad, without any liability whatsoever, and to make what are clearly publisher decisions, including about what stories to elevate and which to suppress and what headlines to themselves write -- again, with total immunity afforded to no other publisher in the world.
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Certainly possible. Or they rule that under the new rules, they *must* censor willy-nilly.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 03, 2022 01:28 PM (t0OGg)

21 My big problem is them acting as arms of the federal government so that the government can pretend that they aren't violating 1st Amendment rights. Except since the corporations are acting as proxies for the government and at the government's behest, it's still a violation.

Speaking of, did you hear about this?

"The consortium is comprised of four member organizations: Stanford Internet Observatory (SIO), the University of Washington's Center for an Informed Public, the Atlantic Council's Digital Forensic Research Lab, and social media analytics firm Graphika. It set up a concierge-like service in 2020 that allowed federal agencies like Homeland's Cybersecurity Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) and State's Global Engagement Center to file "tickets" requesting that online story links and social media posts be censored or flagged by Big Tech. "

https://tinyurl.com/2meca938

You know who could file "tickets"? DNC, NAACP, etc.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at October 03, 2022 01:28 PM (0fs9V)

22 What, it's not like SCOTUS would make a bad ruling and let it stand for 50 years or something.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 03, 2022 01:28 PM (UuD2k)

23 A good outcome would be for the Court to affirm that s.230 immunizes platforms against harms caused by the writings of third parties -- but then adds dicta (advisories not directly related to the case or necessary to the ruling) that such immunity is available only to platforms when behaving as platforms, and only when they are acting in good faith.

Maybe add a footnote reminding that s.230 caveats its immunity on the premise that moderation will be done in "good faith."

That could then be used as precedent in a later ruling.
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My gut check reaction is to say that there is zero chance of this happening, but the Roe decision has given me some hope to the contrary.

That said, I will amend my gut check to assert the chance of this happening merely approaches zero.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 03, 2022 01:29 PM (t0OGg)

24 What, it's not like SCOTUS would make a bad ruling and let it stand for 50 years or something.
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lol

Posted by: SMH at October 03, 2022 01:29 PM (MYp8q)

25 It's also dangerous because the argument that "the algorithms must be changed to stop speech that 'causes harm'" is the leftist censor mafia's entire argument, and that is the central legal claim of this case.

I remember the days when "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me."

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 03, 2022 01:29 PM (Zz0t1)

26 The current state of the law is untenable, but the correction may be worse. The Courts aren't going to solve this problem. Congress won't solve this problem. The States are probably in the best position to do a course correction, but I don't like those odds either. In short, we may be screwed for a bit.

Posted by: SH (No more Roe) at October 03, 2022 01:30 PM (sX1BW)

27 It set up a concierge-like service in 2020 that allowed federal agencies like Homeland's Cybersecurity Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) and State's Global Engagement Center to file "tickets" requesting that online story links and social media posts be censored or flagged by Big Tech. "

https://tinyurl.com/2meca938

You know who could file "tickets"? DNC, NAACP, etc.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at October 03, 2022 01:28 PM (0fs9V)

Good companion to this, or even better, deserving of its own post.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at October 03, 2022 01:30 PM (yHsuS)

28 No problem, I'm sure SCOTUS will absolutely get this right.

Right?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at October 03, 2022 01:30 PM (5pTK/)

29 Well, time to wander. Later.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at October 03, 2022 01:30 PM (5pTK/)

30 Good analysis, and good point, Ace.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara - Semi-Fascist at October 03, 2022 01:30 PM (YqDXo)

31 I remember the days when "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me."
Posted by: Sponge
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Sponge!!!

So do I.

Posted by: SMH at October 03, 2022 01:30 PM (MYp8q)

32 The idea that people need to be "protected" from speech is the new thing here that MUST be challenged on a base level.

It's fucking absurd and yet mostly accepted as canon now.

If we can't even challenge *that*, then wrap it up, we are done as a civilization.

Posted by: ... at October 03, 2022 01:30 PM (2GT2n)

33 This is a dangerous case. This isn't a win for Team Freedom, I don't think.

The problem is that there isn't any real thought or economic philosophy built around these new structures. Social media isn't really like anything we've had before and there needs to be thought on liberty, economics, and how to classify them. They aren't a utility. They aren't merely a business. They aren't merely entertainment. They aren't exactly publication.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 03, 2022 01:31 PM (Ivdso)

34 32 Yup.

Posted by: Top Of gp's Mind at October 03, 2022 01:31 PM (24fqN)

35 The really dumb thing about this debate, though, is that we're like prisoners with the key to our cells hanging around our necks. Simply unplug the big techs (is FB or Twitter actually that important n anyone's life?), though I will admit it is very difficult to get away from Google.
Posted by: Blacksheep

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I heard it being discussed this morning. Something like 50% of the population now gets their news from social media. Imagine the bias when only conservatives are removed. As is the case now. And Trump still won in a landslide.

Related, there was a video floating around in 2020 by a Hillary supporter discussing how Google could influence 14M votes on election day by simply reminding Democrat voters - known by their search histories - to go vote via banners on the home page and pop ups and such, while Republican voters didn't get anything on their phones.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at October 03, 2022 01:32 PM (0fs9V)

36 A good outcome would be for the Court to affirm that s.230 immunizes platforms against harms caused by the writings of third parties -- but then adds dicta (advisories not directly related to the case or necessary to the ruling) that such immunity is available only to platforms when behaving as platforms, and only when they are acting in good faith.

Maybe add a footnote reminding that s.230 caveats its immunity on the premise that moderation will be done in "good faith."

That could then be used as precedent in a later ruling.

On the surface, this could be good news for us, considering that Roberts is, at the most charitable reading of his judicial philosophy, an incrementalist. If he really isn't the incrementalist that he's billed as, this case will tell us what he really is (as if we didn't know already).

Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 03, 2022 01:32 PM (9miN6)

37 "They aren't a utility."

Why not? Why can't they convey messages without interference, like the phone company (mostly) does?

Posted by: Top Of gp's Mind at October 03, 2022 01:32 PM (24fqN)

38 That was the entire purpose of "mis, dis and mal info". The vile vicious lie that there is such a thing as speech that much be shielded from virgin ears, instead of countered with more speech, ie the (supposed) truth.

Posted by: ... at October 03, 2022 01:32 PM (2GT2n)

39
I hate Nickelback. It of course stems from their lousy music... but then everything spiraled out of control. I ended up getting tortured in a cave because that band sucks so much.

I've moved on. But I'll never forget, or forgive, Kroger.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 03, 2022 01:32 PM (oINRc)

40 Paul Joseph Watson:

She just admitted it.
A UN official admitted at a WEF conference that the United Nations works directly with Google to rig the Google search engine.

https://tinyurl.com/2x4naybz

Posted by: SMH at October 03, 2022 01:33 PM (MYp8q)

41 ... "The consortium is comprised of four member organizations: Stanford Internet Observatory (SIO), the University of Washington's Center for an Informed Public, the Atlantic Council's Digital Forensic Research Lab, and social media analytics firm Graphika. It set up a concierge-like service in 2020 that allowed federal agencies like Homeland's Cybersecurity Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) and State's Global Engagement Center to file "tickets" requesting that online story links and social media posts be censored or flagged by Big Tech. " ...
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at October 03, 2022 01:28 PM (0fs9V)
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I don't see the big tech firms themselves listed, so what's the mechanism? A handshake agreement? A contract? Promises of eternal friendship? What's the process on the big tech side.

Because a bunch of assholes setting up a site to "file tickets" is meaningless if the other party doesn't service those tickets. If this is meaningful, it's because those tickets are actually getting worked, which is obvious cartel behavior. These firms should have been broken up under antitrust laws ages ago.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 03, 2022 01:33 PM (t0OGg)

42 What's the line between limiting speech, and enforcing a decorum code? Intuitively, any forum should have some rules of conduct. No personal attacks, no overt and credible threats of violence to anyone, anywhere, etc. etc.

But does that count as "limiting speech"? Who makes that call? All you're doing is shifting the ambiguity from one area into another, and the same shiftless bastards running this ad-hocracy will have the same leeway to reward their friends and punish their enemies.

If the commissioner and the referees are all pissing in the Gatorade and bending the cheerleaders over the benches, amending the pass interference rules isn't gonna "fix" the game....

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 03, 2022 01:33 PM (/EuRN)

43 Related, prescient tweet on the power of social media today.

David Sacks sez, "I never thought social media was dangerous until it created a chimp frenzy for WWIII."

https://bit.ly/3Eh99yX

Posted by: bonhomme at October 03, 2022 01:33 PM (eyxn4)

44 16 The Daily Daddario doesn't know what the future will hold, and she is withholding her emotional response:

https://tinyurl.com/r2a2bsdy
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at October 03, 2022 01:27 PM (LvTSG)

You ever see her turn on Workaholics? If I find out she's into Scotch, cigars and daily fantasy sports, well, not sure what I'll do but I'll be happy.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 03, 2022 01:33 PM (KbCG3)

45 ...It should be simple: if you limit speech, you are not classified as a platform...

Posted by: Salty Alaskan

This.

Posted by: davidt at October 03, 2022 01:33 PM (oTZbj)

46 One relatively clear partial fix would be a law that states that no candidate for national or statewide political office may be censored in any way, except that it be illegal in some other way, e.g. kiddie porn.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 03, 2022 01:34 PM (ayzS/)

47 This is kabuki.

Where is an EMP when you need one?

Posted by: Jack Napier at October 03, 2022 01:34 PM (1dzqn)

48 The idea that people need to be "protected" from speech is the new thing here that MUST be challenged on a base level.
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But what if the speech is "hurtful?" /sarcasm

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara - Semi-Fascist at October 03, 2022 01:34 PM (YqDXo)

49 What, it's not like SCOTUS would make a bad ruling and let it stand for 50 years or something.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 03, 2022 01:28 PM (UuD2k)

If we were to do that, some future court would, no doubt, issue an order that they'll be ready to overturn it in only another 25 years.-- historical Sandy

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at October 03, 2022 01:34 PM (GYIa4)

50 39
I hate Nickelback. It of course stems from their lousy music... but then everything spiraled out of control. I ended up getting tortured in a cave because that band sucks so much.

I've moved on. But I'll never forget, or forgive, Kroger.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 03, 2022 01:32 PM (oINRc)

Neither will I, but mostly because he got to defile Avril Lavigne and I didn't.

Speaking of Avril and her ugly dudes, I heard a couple of Sum 41 songs this weekend and I forgot how much I enjoyed a few of their singles when I was in college.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 03, 2022 01:35 PM (KbCG3)

51 Were the techs doing less censorship at the time?

I mean, their defense is that they are not a publisher and not censoring, which at one point was largely true-ish.

So would they be judged on their actions at the time rather than today?

If so and if they get immunity on that basis do they get scared straight (lol the answer is clearly no)

Posted by: TexasDan at October 03, 2022 01:35 PM (kekas)

52 48 The idea that people need to be "protected" from speech is the new thing here that MUST be challenged on a base level.
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But what if the speech is "hurtful?" /sarcasm
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara - Semi-Fascist at October 03, 2022 01:34 PM (YqDXo)

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This speech is violence upon me. I shall visit my version of speech upon you in response.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at October 03, 2022 01:35 PM (LvTSG)

53 "We own the science."

That woman actually said that.

Posted by: SMH at October 03, 2022 01:35 PM (MYp8q)

54 The idea that people need to be "protected" from speech is the new thing here that MUST be challenged on a base level.

Yep.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 03, 2022 01:35 PM (Xrfse)

55 Don't worry. Jumanji Action Jackson will save us.

Posted by: wth at October 03, 2022 01:35 PM (v0R5T)

56 I find the truth very hurtful.
[laughs long and theatrically, a bit like a thespian, or actor, if you will]

Posted by: John Lovitz as The Devil at October 03, 2022 01:35 PM (F7ILR)

57 The government, one way or another, is going to solve the problem or hold up the problem as the solution in a manner that encroaches freedom of speech.

This case should be decided as narrowly as possible. The solution to the big tech censorship problem isn't some new rule or - G-d forbid - some blue ribbon commission for online fairness, it's to break up the big tech monopolies. When one of the descendant companies - or some new company - achieves a new monopoly (which will always happen in social media at least, since social media depends on network effects), break that up, too.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 03, 2022 01:36 PM (t0OGg)

58 The really dumb thing about this debate, though, is that we're like prisoners with the key to our cells hanging around our necks. Simply unplug the big techs (is FB or Twitter actually that important n anyone's life?), though I will admit it is very difficult to get away from Google.
Posted by: Blacksheep at October 03, 2022 01:28 PM (6mvRv)

The thing is, though, is that it's not as hard as it seems. We were doing just fine when Google, for instance, was the best search engine in 2015. Today, even the worst alternative search engines are at least as good as that. It's not like we need search to be much better than that to get along just fine now.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 03, 2022 01:36 PM (9miN6)

59 We need to be protected from all the calls to violins on social media.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 03, 2022 01:36 PM (9k/S4)

60 Welp I got some good news today. Job offer is on the way, nice little bump in pay, and not annoying as crap like my current employer.

Gonna start the day after I get back from Corsicana.

Banner year at casa blaster

Posted by: blaster at October 03, 2022 01:36 PM (pwExq)

61 The problem is that there isn't any real thought or economic philosophy built around these new structures. Social media isn't really like anything we've had before and there needs to be thought on liberty, economics, and how to classify them. They aren't a utility. They aren't merely a business. They aren't merely entertainment. They aren't exactly publication.

That's why we let them choose.

You're a platform? No censoring except for what's already illegal, i.e. kiddie porn, but then you can't be sued.

You're a publisher? You can censor, but then you're liable for slander, etc.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 03, 2022 01:36 PM (ayzS/)

62 A good outcome would be for the Court to affirm that s.230 immunizes platforms against harms caused by the writings of third parties -- but then adds dicta (advisories not directly related to the case or necessary to the ruling) that such immunity is available only to platforms when behaving as platforms, and only when they are acting in good faith.

Maybe add a footnote reminding that s.230 caveats its immunity on the premise that moderation will be done in "good faith."

That could then be used as precedent in a later ruling.

Posted by: Ace at 01:22 PM

So you're saying beforehand that they should punt and that would be a good outcome?
Sounds like a lack of faith in our "system".
Smart man.

Posted by: Nickelfuckin Nickelback at October 03, 2022 01:37 PM (FCbAQ)

63 Welp I got some good news today. Job offer is on the way, nice little bump in pay, and not annoying as crap like my current employer.

Gonna start the day after I get back from Corsicana.

Banner year at casa blaster
Posted by: blaster at October 03, 2022 01:36 PM (pwExq)

Congrats man!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 03, 2022 01:37 PM (Zz0t1)

64 "What's the line between limiting speech, and enforcing a decorum code?"

Who decides what is "misinformation"?

Posted by: fd 5.2.01c beta at October 03, 2022 01:37 PM (sn5EN)

65 Where is an EMP when you need one?
Posted by: Jack Napier
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It's coming.

Posted by: SMH at October 03, 2022 01:37 PM (MYp8q)

66 Banner year at casa blaster
Posted by: blaster at October 03, 2022 01:36 PM (pwExq)
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Congratulations!

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 03, 2022 01:37 PM (t0OGg)

67 61 You're a publisher? You can censor, but then you're liable for slander, etc.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 03, 2022 01:36 PM (ayzS/)

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How many leftist accounts would get shut down based on death threats to the then sitting president of the United States that one could dig up between 2017-2021.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at October 03, 2022 01:37 PM (LvTSG)

68 Gonna start the day after I get back from Corsicana.

Congrats.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 03, 2022 01:38 PM (Xrfse)

69 I can see a Broadway production, in the mold of "The Producers", about the FBI

Posted by: SMOD at October 03, 2022 01:38 PM (RHGPo)

70 Nice. Leave the stupid sock on...
While I'm at it then, in 20 years people will be admitting they liked Nickelback. They'll be like the Styx of the aughts.

Posted by: Nickelfuckin Nickelback at October 03, 2022 01:38 PM (FCbAQ)

71 60 Welp I got some good news today. Job offer is on the way, nice little bump in pay, and not annoying as crap like my current employer.

Gonna start the day after I get back from Corsicana.

Banner year at casa blaster
Posted by: blaster at October 03, 2022 01:36 PM (pwExq)

Congrats, blaster. We're having the same kind of year, but unfortunately I won't be going to Corsicana this year. Next time.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 03, 2022 01:38 PM (9miN6)

72 /sockkofff

Posted by: Buddy at October 03, 2022 01:38 PM (FCbAQ)

73 congrats, blaster. : )

Posted by: SMH at October 03, 2022 01:38 PM (MYp8q)

74 I don't see the big tech firms themselves listed, so what's the mechanism? A handshake agreement? A contract? Promises of eternal friendship? What's the process on the big tech side.
**

You're already aware that Facebook and Twitter work directly with the Feds *without* coercion.

Now Homeland Security is telling your corporation to remove a post.

What are you going to do?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at October 03, 2022 01:38 PM (0fs9V)

75 70 Nice. Leave the stupid sock on...
While I'm at it then, in 20 years people will be admitting they liked Nickelback. They'll be like the Styx of the aughts.
Posted by: Nickelfuckin Nickelback at October 03, 2022 01:38 PM (FCbAQ)

Fuck Denis DeYoung and all he stands for.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 03, 2022 01:39 PM (/EuRN)

76 >>> 63 Welp I got some good news today. Job offer is on the way, nice little bump in pay, and not annoying as crap like my current employer.

Gonna start the day after I get back from Corsicana.

Banner year at casa blaster
Posted by: blaster at October 03, 2022 01:36 PM (pwExq)

Congrats man!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 03, 2022 01:37 PM (Zz0t1)

Great news! Congratulations!

(so this will make it easier to afford boom-y gifts for the sra, right? ;P )

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 03, 2022 01:39 PM (llON8)

77 Mark Zuckerborg has already dropped out of the Top 10 Billionaires, how much more can his wallet take ?

Posted by: SMOD at October 03, 2022 01:39 PM (RHGPo)

78 I like nickelback

Posted by: Farmer Bob at October 03, 2022 01:40 PM (+OrhI)

79 Now Homeland Security is telling your corporation to remove a post.

What are you going to do?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at October 03, 2022 01:38 PM (0fs9V)

Give DHS an Admin level account so they can just do it themselves, and cut out the middleman.

....

Oh, sorry, i was supposed to be sarcastic, wasn't I?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 03, 2022 01:40 PM (/EuRN)

80 *relurks*

Posted by: SMH at October 03, 2022 01:40 PM (MYp8q)

81

The Justice Department’s response to the January 6 US Capitol assault meets one of its biggest tests yet with prosecutors presenting their case for why the alleged plotting of several far-right militia members ahead of the attack amounted to a seditious conspiracy.

Attorney General Merrick Garland balked at initial efforts to add the charge to Oath Keepers case, but as the case developed, investigators were able to build out the evidence with cooperators and internal communications. The charge was added in a superseding indictment unveiled in January.

https://tinyurl.com/2s3wjkwp

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 03, 2022 01:40 PM (63Dwl)

82 Banner year at casa blaster

Posted by: blaster at October 03, 2022 01:36 PM (pwExq)

Nice! Congratulations.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at October 03, 2022 01:40 PM (yHsuS)

83 Amicus briefs actually could turn this into a much better anti-230 case.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at October 03, 2022 01:40 PM (nMx88)

84 This is from the paper. The first thing they mention is January 6th btw:

"Create clear standards for consistent disclosures of mis- and disinformation from foreign and domestic sources as a core function of facilitating
free and fair elections, including via CISA’s (Homeland Security's) Rumor Control and joint interagency statements.

https://tinyurl.com/2hue9lor

"rumor control"

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at October 03, 2022 01:40 PM (0fs9V)

85 I am for strong free speech protections, but I am not a free speech absolutist.

Fraud is speech, but I don't think it should be protected. Calls to direct violence same same. I also think certain dangerous info should not be easy to find. Bombmaking info is one example.

I think most of this is already largely adjudicated, but the State is making strong movements toward more control and limitations on the people, while simultaneously allowing themselves vastly expanded info gathering and disinfo dissemination through corporate channels.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 03, 2022 01:41 PM (eyxn4)

86 Congratulations, blaster!

Posted by: Eromero at October 03, 2022 01:41 PM (0OP+5)

87 I think the best strategy to wrangle in the Tech monopolies is go state by state and get laws passed. If Google wants to operate in say Texas or Florida, they have to comply. Texas economy is likely bigger than many European nations.

Congressional Republicans just seem to get a $2000 check from google and will do whatever they demand. Cheap whores. I just don't see changes on a federal level.

Posted by: Blago at October 03, 2022 01:41 PM (PwNLq)

88 The Justice Department’s response to the January 6 US Capitol assault meets one of its biggest tests yet with prosecutors presenting their case for why the alleged plotting of several far-right militia members ahead of the attack amounted to a seditious conspiracy.

Attorney General Merrick Garland balked at initial efforts to add the charge to Oath Keepers case, but as the case developed, investigators were able to build out the evidence with cooperators and internal communications. The charge was added in a superseding indictment unveiled in January.

https://tinyurl.com/2s3wjkwp
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 03, 2022 01:40 PM (63Dwl)

So then, mass hangings ala Lincoln's conspirators?

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 03, 2022 01:42 PM (4I/2K)

89 The only reason why Joe and Jill are in Puerto Rico is that Jill misheard the name of the island and thought she was scheduling a trip to “Paolo Rico.”

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 03, 2022 01:42 PM (9k/S4)

90 This isn't a win for Team Freedom, I don't think.

*fap *fap *fap*

Posted by: Jim Jordan and Mike Lee at October 03, 2022 01:42 PM (ZCool)

91 [oi](so this will make it easier to afford boom-y gifts for the sra, right? ;P )
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 03, 2022 01:39 PM (llON

It would though she has indicated that sometimes ladies like sparkly gifts.

Do they make suppressors in chrome?

Posted by: blaster at October 03, 2022 01:42 PM (pwExq)

92 115% chance that shitpants refers to PR as a foreign country.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 03, 2022 01:43 PM (/EuRN)

93 Fuck Denis DeYoung and all he stands for.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 03, 2022 01:39 PM (/EuRN)

Right on, brother!

Posted by: Tommy Shaw at October 03, 2022 01:43 PM (FCbAQ)

94 You're already aware that Facebook and Twitter work directly with the Feds *without* coercion.

Now Homeland Security is telling your corporation to remove a post.

What are you going to do?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at October 03, 2022 01:38 PM (0fs9V)
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Oh, of course. I am just curious as to what the mechanism for this thing is. It seems redundant overall. If DHS or someone in Washington rings up Twitter and says, "deal with this," it will get done. So why does this one exist, and how does it work?

It's more curiosity than anything. Nothing will be done, of course.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 03, 2022 01:43 PM (t0OGg)

95 I like nickelback
Posted by: Farmer Bob at October 03, 2022 01:40 PM (+OrhI)
.......

Me too. Especially the guy with a head shaped like a light bulb.

Posted by: wth at October 03, 2022 01:44 PM (v0R5T)

96 I have a slightly different view: the case is dangerous no matter what the court does, because it's a classic example of a case involving truly bad and dangerous conduct like ISIS recruiting. Nobody will deny that murderous death cults shouldn't be allowed to recruit on youtube. The problem is and always has been, however, that once you say that youtube can censor Murderous Death Cults, it is 100% inevitable that more censorship of less-obviously-dangerous speech will follow. And follow. And follow. And soon youtube will be censorsing ANY speech it doesn't like and it will have legal authority to do it.

Posted by: Elric Blade at October 03, 2022 01:44 PM (iFTx/)

97 I also think certain dangerous info should not be easy to find.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 03, 2022 01:41 PM (eyxn4)

That's exactly what the leftist thought police are saying.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at October 03, 2022 01:45 PM (yHsuS)

98 I see the SC allowed the Biden junta to mandate the clot shot for health care workers.

Which totally makes sense at this point. Right? the logic being you need the clot shot to stop the spread...and the government is currently claiming no one *ever* said the clot shot stops the spread.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 03, 2022 01:45 PM (ESjRY)

99 Welp I got some good news today. Job offer is on the way, nice little bump in pay, and not annoying as crap like my current employer.

Gonna start the day after I get back from Corsicana.

Banner year at casa blaster
Posted by: blaster at October 03, 2022 01:36 PM (pwExq)

Most excellent!
*steeples fingers per Miklos' advisory*

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 03, 2022 01:45 PM (4I/2K)

100 And soon youtube will be censorsing ANY speech it doesn't like and it will have legal authority to do it.
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 03, 2022 01:44 PM (iFTx/)

Soon?

Posted by: blaster at October 03, 2022 01:45 PM (pwExq)

101 IANAL, but "good faith" sounds very subjective to me.

If only we could have objective laws -- which, of course, would mean the elimination of 99.99% of them ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Triple-Jabbed & Quad-Boosted with the Biden Hurricane-22 Vaccine at October 03, 2022 01:45 PM (bz8Vd)

102 > 115% chance that shitpants refers to PR as a foreign country.

It's a funny category. Is a protectorate US soil? I think most people don't know of the top of their head.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 03, 2022 01:45 PM (eyxn4)

103 The current censorship regime is more dangerous then literally no censorship whatsoever.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 03, 2022 01:45 PM (ESjRY)

104 The phrase 'hate speech' needs to be excised out of any discussion of law or legislation. It devolves immediately to the tyranny of the offended. It should be equated with cries of 'blasphemy.'

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 03, 2022 01:45 PM (IyrhE)

105 I agree with Ace. This case and the precedent set by it could horribly backfire, result in even more draconian censorship and ultimately spell the demise of alt-tech.

Posted by: Ernie McCracken at October 03, 2022 01:46 PM (dJ2RB)

106 I like nickelback
Posted by: Farmer Bob at October 03, 2022 01:40 PM (+OrhI)

Fag!

Posted by: Boomer Styx fan at October 03, 2022 01:46 PM (FCbAQ)

107 Willowed comment from last thread:

Holy shit these people are even bigger monsters than we first thought.

"CHOP Gender Clinic" co-founder, Naida Dowshen, recruited research subjects from a youth homeless shelter and foster care.

"Rachel" Levine is neck waddle deep in this shit too.

https://bit.ly/3e46TjY

They're arguing, among other things, that emancipated minors don't need parental consent. These kids often become emancipated because their parents are completely incapable of being a positive influence. So these kids are mentally broken, have no support structure around them, and no adults working in their best interest. THESE are the kids Rachel Levine and Nadia Dowshen are recruiting to experiment on. MONSTERS.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 03, 2022 01:46 PM (eyxn4)

108 Welp I got some good news today. Job offer is on the way, nice little bump in pay, and not annoying as crap like my current employer.

Gonna start the day after I get back from Corsicana.

Banner year at casa blaster
Posted by: blaster at October 03, 2022 01:36 PM

Niiice! Congratulations!

Btw, the locks you suggested were delivered yesterday. I think they'll do nicely. Thanks for the recommendation.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 03, 2022 01:46 PM (4p7Em)

109 It seems to me the tightrope decision would be that Google et.al. are protected under S.230 if they only are censoring information that would be considered illegal (i.e. c pron, actual death threats). In other words, their censoring abilities would be limited by what the gov't can legally censor. If they censor beyond that, then they aren't covered by S.230 and are open to claims. At least that would move it out of "muh corporations" and "words are violence."

Posted by: WiNO at October 03, 2022 01:46 PM (EpDzw)

110 The phrase 'hate speech' needs to be excised out of any discussion of law or legislation. It devolves immediately to the tyranny of the offended. It should be equated with cries of 'blasphemy.'

The only way this stuff ever goes away is if red states start arresting or at least fining leftwingers for "hate speech" against rightwing targets.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 03, 2022 01:47 PM (ESjRY)

111
Why should information on how to make a bomb be illegal?

For one thing, the genie is out of the bottle since, oh, the third century BC or so.

For another - bombing innocent people is already against the law. Unless you're Ed Rendell.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 03, 2022 01:47 PM (oINRc)

112 IANAL

You too?

Posted by: Stormy Daniels at October 03, 2022 01:47 PM (Zz0t1)

113 The problem is and always has been, however, that once you say that youtube can censor Murderous Death Cults, it is 100% inevitable that more censorship of less-obviously-dangerous speech will follow. And follow. And follow. And soon youtube will be censorsing ANY speech it doesn't like and it will have legal authority to do it.
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 03, 2022 01:44 PM (iFTx/)

There goes our clubhouse sign.

Posted by: Spanky & Alfalfa He-Man Woman Haters Club at October 03, 2022 01:47 PM (4I/2K)

114 I hated Nickelback originally because of a Seether song that I thought was Nickelback.

Now I hate them as a symbol of the bland sameness rock music has devolved into which led to my confusion.

Posted by: Diesel Jones, Biologist at October 03, 2022 01:47 PM (Vu7A1)

115 "This is a dangerous case. This isn't a win for Team Freedom, I don't think."

Not necessarily. There will be a lot of focus on their content moderation policies, how they work, what passes that process, what doesn't and why. If they are going to frame that ISIS propaganda was outside their control then why was, say, their political meddling within their moderation? If they made a deliberate judgement to allow some content and not another- why would t they be responsible?

Re-read Section 230. Did they make a "good faith" effort to block content? Or did they misuse that process and ergo either condone activity through a discretionary editorial decision?

I think this could get interesting. Especially since we know Congress won't to jack about it.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 03, 2022 01:48 PM (TbpGr)

116 THESE are the kids Rachel Levine and Nadia Dowshen are recruiting to experiment on.

Same thing as German medical establishment before the holocaust. Though I don't think they were themselves while doing it.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 03, 2022 01:48 PM (ESjRY)

117 See, the whole shithouse is just rotten bottom to top. best thing's jut knock it in the hole and cover it up. Move over to a new spot, dig a new hole, and slide a new shithouse over it. Same can be said for Washington City government.

Posted by: Eromero at October 03, 2022 01:48 PM (0OP+5)

118 I don't know but DuckDuckGo is driving me crazy with their stupid TV ad.

Posted by: wth at October 03, 2022 01:49 PM (v0R5T)

119 I've said elsewhere that I think a smarter move would be to go after these platforms under state campaign finance laws. At some point attempts to suppress all the arguments for one side serve to give the opposing side a free platform.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at October 03, 2022 01:49 PM (wmDcS)

120 Ace,
Both of these lawsuits demand that Big Tech ban speech by alleging that the plaintiffs in the two cases can sue Big Tech as responsible for hosting radicalizing posts on their platforms. One involves a radicalized jihadist, the other case involves someone killed by jihadists and the Anti Terrorism Act allowing lawsuits over that.

FWIW, the court may also accept the current 11th circuit and the 5th circuit split regarding whether states may regulate big tech or whether federal law preempts this under 230.

Posted by: whig at October 03, 2022 01:50 PM (CXr4y)

121 > That's exactly what the leftist thought police are saying.

OK, but are you a free speech absolutist or do you just have lines that are different than mine?

I think my lines are fairly defensible.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 03, 2022 01:50 PM (eyxn4)

122 100 And soon youtube will be censorsing ANY speech it doesn't like and it will have legal authority to do it.
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 03, 2022 01:44 PM (iFTx/)

Soon?
Posted by: blaster at October 03, 2022 01:45 PM (pwExq)
_____________________

It's the second part of that sentence that is important. Yes, they are already doing it now. But their legal ability to do so is questionable. Nobody really knows what 230 immunity means or how the courts will interpret it.

Posted by: Elric Blade at October 03, 2022 01:50 PM (iFTx/)

123 Social Media has been the greatest mindfuck in the history of humanity.

It's too bad I didn't have the foresight and devious nature to get in on the scam and make a billion dollars.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at October 03, 2022 01:50 PM (z+OQR)

124 Section 230 doesn't need to be changed, we just need FB, Google, Twitter, and Youtube to be declared as publishers.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 03, 2022 01:50 PM (yQpMk)

125 Congratulations, blaster!
Posted by: Eromero

Seconded !

Posted by: JT at October 03, 2022 01:50 PM (T4tVD)

126 Oh, of course. I am just curious as to what the mechanism for this thing is. It seems redundant overall. If DHS or someone in Washington rings up Twitter and says, "deal with this," it will get done. So why does this one exist, and how does it work?
It's more curiosity than anything. Nothing will be done, of course.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
*

I suspect it's similar to how upper management will form committees to justify what they've already decided to do. This is the plan, figure out what to do or you're fired, and no one is to blame because it was done by a dozen people and the boss was just taking advice.

Not that same exact thing, but the same idea. We want to get this done, but let's pretend we're doing something else. It's still the Dept. of Homeland Security flagging conservative posts for removal from social media prior to an election.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at October 03, 2022 01:50 PM (0fs9V)

127 it is 100% inevitable that more censorship of less-obviously-dangerous speech will follow

Historically this was NOT the case. Western society was able to discriminate between directly violent speech and everything else. And by historically I mean...into the 1990s.

So in theory it can be done.

But...society has become so much dumber maybe you are correct in assessing where we are now...

Posted by: 18-1 at October 03, 2022 01:50 PM (ESjRY)

128 I know this will be unpopular but Tommy Shaw was actually a pretty good guitarist.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 03, 2022 01:51 PM (Xrfse)

129 They're arguing, among other things, that emancipated minors don't need parental consent. These kids often become emancipated because their parents are completely incapable of being a positive influence. So these kids are mentally broken, have no support structure around them, and no adults working in their best interest. THESE are the kids Rachel Levine and Nadia Dowshen are recruiting to experiment on. MONSTERS.
Posted by: bonhomme at October 03, 2022 01:46 PM (eyxn4)

Virginia law says that minors - of ANY age - MUST be considered adults in terms of health care treatment for the following: mental health, STDs, birth control, pregnancy or family planning, substance abuse. If a minor does not want to have medical information shared with a parent on one of those topics, the medical provider may not even confirm or deny that they are treating that minor.

I don't know how many other states have that, but I suspect that the groomers will use this law to circumvent the new school model program for trans.

Posted by: blaster at October 03, 2022 01:51 PM (pwExq)

130 Oh, and did you hear that if you posted things to facebook about the election or Biden being a bad president you were tagged by the FBI and referred to your local office so they could open a file on you and put you under local surveillance?

‘None were Antifa types’

https://tinyurl.com/2ldp4vxg

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at October 03, 2022 01:51 PM (0fs9V)

131 Dammit.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 03, 2022 01:51 PM (5r4XQ)

132 7
'And who decides what *is* "good faith"?'

Individual judges in all the instances of this case.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at October 03, 2022 01:51 PM (a1ycR)

133 > Job offer is on the way, nice little bump in pay, and not annoying as crap like my current employer.

Congratulations!

Posted by: bonhomme at October 03, 2022 01:51 PM (eyxn4)

134
It's all polishing brass on the Titanic.

Your freedom of speech has already been effectively removed by the SV overlords... it will only get worse, and judges are never going to do anything but make it worse.

The government doesn't want to "fix" this "problem," and will only ever make it worse.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 03, 2022 01:52 PM (oINRc)

135 Here is the problem: Sotomeyer and the new Justice Brown. They don't use objective judgement and will rule in favor of the government power at any junction. Justice Kagan will look at things through an objective lens but rules in favor of a "living Constitution".

This will be an interesting case, but the EPA/AffirmativeAction cases are probably a bigger ones

Posted by: jeff at October 03, 2022 01:52 PM (pvt9V)

136 Nobody really knows what 230 immunity means or how the courts will interpret it.
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 03, 2022 01:50 PM (iFTx/)

Welp if nobody knows what it means, its useless. I don't care what the courts do with it. Just repeal the dang thing.

Posted by: blaster at October 03, 2022 01:52 PM (pwExq)

137 32 The idea that people need to be "protected" from speech is the new thing here that MUST be challenged on a base level.

It's fucking absurd and yet mostly accepted as canon now.

If we can't even challenge *that*, then wrap it up, we are done as a civilization.
Posted by: ... at October 03, 2022 01:30 PM (2GT2n)

**********

Your speech is harming my ability to collect grift. I wasn't going to become a multimillionaire refereeing high school basketball games, after all.

Posted by: Jon Tester at October 03, 2022 01:52 PM (xxG/v)

138 "Section 230 doesn't need to be changed, we just need FB, Google, Twitter, and Youtube to be declared as publishers.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 03, 2022 01:50 PM (yQpMk)"

Section 230 explicitly states they cannot be considered. Where they need to be nailed is in the sections covering civil liability. That is contingent on their capabilities and actions.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 03, 2022 01:52 PM (TbpGr)

139 I'm going to focus on the Loverboy content rather than the thought of yet more dystopia.

I really like Loverboy's greatest hits 'Big Ones' quite a bit

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at October 03, 2022 01:53 PM (V6f9+)

140 Back in the 90s I remember you could easily trip across speech of any sort including actual real NAZIs.

And yet somehow we survived.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 03, 2022 01:53 PM (ESjRY)

141
For another - bombing innocent people is already against the law. Unless you're Ed Rendell.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 03, 2022 01:47 PM (oINRc)

*waves hi*

Posted by: William Ayers at October 03, 2022 01:53 PM (Zz0t1)

142 I am actually shocked that a gay rom com made 4.8 million. I guess the... was that Will and Grace(?) audience is still out there.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 03, 2022 01:53 PM (5r4XQ)

143 I finally understand! This is how "stochastic terrorism" is different from Philip K. Dick's "precrime" or Orwell's "thoughtcrime". One is random and general (S.T.), and the other is specific (precrime).

Americans are often demonized (or Jews are) on social media, and if an ISIS terrorist decides to massacre a few, then, sure, it was predictable (in general terms) but the actual event was surely not predictable, absent a few mutants in the basement.

Authoritarians want more thought crime prevention, which is what the Gonzalez family is asking for in this case. Anti-authoritarians should fear this case, if you fear the SCOTUS is squishy. It amazes me we are so degraded that the Gonzalez case even gets this far.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 03, 2022 01:53 PM (vI/Pp)

144 Or the garret and ace audience.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 03, 2022 01:54 PM (5r4XQ)

145 The problem is that there isn't any real thought or economic philosophy built around these new structures. Social media isn't really like anything we've had before and there needs to be thought on liberty, economics, and how to classify them. They aren't a utility. They aren't merely a business. They aren't merely entertainment. They aren't exactly publication.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 03, 2022 01:31 PM (Ivdso)

The answer is simple and, therefore, will never be implemented.

1. If you censor something at the behest of a government, you are bound by the restrictions on governments.
2. If you are not subject to item 1 AND you choose to censor, you must clearly, and specifically, detail what you censor. Failing to do so is fraud and you will be punished accordingly.
3. You are not permitted to coordinate with any other tech/media organization towards censorship. Doing so makes you an illegal cartel and you will be punished accordingly.
4. If you organization holds >80% of the market in a particular area, you are a de-facto monopoly (the Microsoft rule) and you are permitted no freedom to coordinate/censor/control anything.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at October 03, 2022 01:54 PM (GYIa4)

146 The government doesn't want to "fix" this "problem," and will only ever make it worse.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 03, 2022 01:52 PM (oINRc)
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Usually a glass half full kinda guy, but I agree with this. The general tyranny we are seeing these days is increasing exponentially.

Posted by: Colonel Travis at October 03, 2022 01:54 PM (RG7Wy)

147
I really like Loverboy's greatest hits 'Big Ones' quite a bit
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at October 03, 2022 01:53 PM (V6f9+)

Wait a minute.......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 03, 2022 01:54 PM (Zz0t1)

148 Or the TJM and Coppola audience.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 03, 2022 01:54 PM (5r4XQ)

149 > 'And who decides what *is* "good faith"?'

US law is littered with "reasonable man" clauses. Unfortunately, we are in a time of anti-reason. Good faith is just another iteration of the reasonable man. If the Judge adjudicating the case is in the cult of anti-reason, they can turn the law upside-down and inside-out according to their measure of "reasonable."

Posted by: bonhomme at October 03, 2022 01:54 PM (eyxn4)

150 111
Why should information on how to make a bomb be illegal?

For one thing, the genie is out of the bottle since, oh, the third century BC or so.

For another - bombing innocent people is already against the law. Unless you're Ed Rendell.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice
-------------------
That was the argument used by Paladin Press when it got sued by a relatives of someone assassinated by a criminal that read a book published by them on how to be a hitman. Rice v. Paladin Enterprises was the case and ultimately the insurers of Paladin forced a multimillion dollar settlement after the Court of Appeals allowed the lawsuit to go forward.

Posted by: whig at October 03, 2022 01:55 PM (CXr4y)

151 Section 230 explicitly states they cannot be considered.

Facebook is named in the Law?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 03, 2022 01:55 PM (yQpMk)

152 I agree with Ace. This case and the precedent set by it could horribly backfire, result in even more draconian censorship and ultimately spell the demise of alt-tech.

Posted by: Ernie McCracken at October 03, 2022 01:46 PM (dJ2RB)
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Thomas, Alito, and Gorsuch can navigate the s.230 issues successfully. I fully expect Roberts to side with the Libs. I have no idea with Kavanaugh or ACB.

Posted by: WisRich at October 03, 2022 01:55 PM (G0vdT)

153 123 Social Media has been the greatest mindfuck in the history of humanity.

It's too bad I didn't have the foresight and devious nature to get in on the scam and make a billion dollars.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at October 03, 2022 01:50 PM (z+OQR)
________________

I won't deny that I initially thought social media was a dumb idea that wouldn't catch on. Don't laugh: think back when you first heard the idea, and try not to take into account all that you know now. I thought SM would fail because I just couldn't see why anyone would care about anyone else's dumb random musings and pics. It seemed too silly and vapid to catch on. Little did I know.

Posted by: Elric Blade at October 03, 2022 01:55 PM (iFTx/)

154 > That's exactly what the leftist thought police are saying.

OK, but are you a free speech absolutist or do you just have lines that are different than mine?

I think my lines are fairly defensible.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 03, 2022 01:50 PM (eyxn4)

I am more toward absolutist, precisely because once you give in to what is and is not dangerous information, thought, speech, away from punishing behaviors (incitement, fraud, threats), then you have empowered the government to define political speech as "dangerous speech," which is a threat to "our democracy."

Unsurprisingly, here we are.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at October 03, 2022 01:55 PM (yHsuS)

155 Another data point in the decline of education in the United States - a guy who has taught Econ 101 for forty years notes that his students are doing worse and worse in the class.

First, attendance was sporadic with many of my students.

Second, work outside of class was not done with consistency.

Third, basic mathematics proficiency, whatever the claims of our admissions office, is greatly lacking.

Fourth, students seemed reluctant to come to the office seeking help.

Fifth, and finally, the introductory economics course, as stated in my 2014 Inside Higher Ed article, has remained somewhat constant.

https://tinyurl.com/55ebhxyx

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 03, 2022 01:56 PM (I2/tG)

156 Serious question here. Is this just another example of the ever-present conservative principle of "enforce the law" and it all works itself out?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at October 03, 2022 01:56 PM (0fs9V)

157 I saw Tommy Shaw solo band open for Rush in 1988. They played Blue Collar Man. Nothing else memorable.

Posted by: Mark1971 at October 03, 2022 01:56 PM (xPl2J)

158 This is the, absolute, wrong way to reel in the tech companies. The proper solution is free market application. In short, capitalism.

Until this point, the free market system has been unable to keep them in check because Silicon Valley tech companies have formed an illegal partnership that allows them to remove healthy competition from start ups. For example...someone challenges Twitter...they will not be listed in something like Apple Apps, or the payment distribution companies will refuse to do business with them. It's flat out conspiring and blatant violation of the RICO Act.

Posted by: Orson at October 03, 2022 01:56 PM (A/36w)

159 ... I thought SM would fail because I just couldn't see why anyone would care about anyone else's dumb random musings and pics. It seemed too silly and vapid to catch on. Little did I know.
Posted by: Elric Blade

**

Be right back, taking pictures of this microwaveable burrito.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at October 03, 2022 01:56 PM (0fs9V)

160 I really like Loverboy's greatest hits 'Big Ones' quite a bit
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at October 03, 2022 01:53 PM (V6f9+)

Wait a minute.......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 03, 2022 01:54 PM (Zz0t1)

??
It's a good album!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at October 03, 2022 01:57 PM (V6f9+)

161 "Facebook is named in the Law?
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 03, 2022 01:55 PM (yQpMk)"

No. They fit under the definition of an ics provider.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 03, 2022 01:57 PM (TbpGr)

162 Fifth, and finally, the introductory economics course, as stated in my 2014 Inside Higher Ed article, has remained somewhat constant.
...
As a result, the student experience increasingly diverges from that of other courses, in which students feel a higher level of comfort, receive greater affirmation of their opinions, and earn higher grades. There is still a large lecture component in my course that seems dry and “outdated” to students. The traditional testing that occurs is also different from their other experiences. I fear that Economics 101 is increasingly an unpleasant outlier.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 03, 2022 01:57 PM (I2/tG)

163 I find the irony of a children's hospital called "CHOP" (Children's Hospital of Philadelphia) being involved in so-called "bottom surgeries" to be delightfully and darkly hilarious.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 03, 2022 01:57 PM (/EuRN)

164 No. They fit under the definition of an ics provider.
Posted by: Marcus T at October 03, 2022 01:57 PM (TbpGr)

Unless they act as a publisher.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 03, 2022 01:58 PM (yQpMk)

165 95 Henry is in Nickelback?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 03, 2022 01:58 PM (9k/S4)

166 I am more toward absolutist, precisely because once you give in to what is and is not dangerous information, thought, speech, away from punishing behaviors (incitement, fraud, threats), then you have empowered the government to define political speech as "dangerous speech," which is a threat to "our democracy."

Unsurprisingly, here we are.
Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at October 03, 2022 01:55 PM (yHsuS)

I like Gab's rules. If it is legal under US law, it is permitted. Admittedly, this means that there are some complete assholes with the nazi/racist stuff but once you start drawing the line then the leftists will start the ratchet.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at October 03, 2022 01:58 PM (GYIa4)

167 124 Section 230 doesn't need to be changed, we just need FB, Google, Twitter, and Youtube to be declared as publishers.

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Close. Change "declared as publishers" to "burned to the ground" and you win the showcase showdown.

Posted by: Spay Or Neuter Your Pets at October 03, 2022 01:58 PM (1dzqn)

168 > The problem is that there isn't any real thought or economic philosophy built around these new structures. Social media isn't really like anything we've had before and there needs to be thought on liberty, economics, and how to classify them. They aren't a utility. They aren't merely a business. They aren't merely entertainment. They aren't exactly publication.

I think it can easily fit into the "town square" box. It's just bigger. Even its asynchronous nature has a parallel to the town square: leaflets and other handbills.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 03, 2022 01:58 PM (eyxn4)

169 The idea that people need to be "protected" from speech is the new thing here that MUST be challenged on a base level.

Yeah if they decide anything else, that must be addressed: the idea that free speech means suppressing speech that someone might find offensive.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 03, 2022 01:58 PM (Ivdso)

170 157 I saw Tommy Shaw solo band open for Rush in 1988. They played Blue Collar Man. Nothing else memorable.
Posted by: Mark1971 at October 03, 2022 01:56 PM (xPl2J)

I like Tommy Shaw's 'Girls with Guns' quite a bit.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at October 03, 2022 01:58 PM (V6f9+)

171 157 I saw Tommy Shaw solo band open for Rush in 1988. They played Blue Collar Man. Nothing else memorable.
Posted by: Mark1971 at October 03, 2022 01:56 PM (xPl2J)
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I saw this tour also. I don't remember anything but his boots and his bouncy long hair

Posted by: Colonel Travis at October 03, 2022 01:59 PM (RG7Wy)

172 I have mentioned this before, but a bloody civil war might be the BEST outcome we can hope for- as long as 'We' won. If they do, expect a whole lot of massacring.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 03, 2022 01:59 PM (5r4XQ)

173 The real trouble is trying to find a ruling that protects free speech but also protects businesses from nuisance lawsuits based on being upset by someone's free speech or alleged calls to action.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 03, 2022 01:59 PM (Ivdso)

174 Given the current makeup of the Supreme Court, I'm not really worried. Section 230 is important; the immunity it provides extends to, say, blogs with comment sections.

However, as has been noted in the recent 5th circuit's overturn of the injunction against Texas's law allowing people to sue social media networks for bias, Section 230 draws a distinction between publisher and platform, and explicitly requires courts to treat these networks like platforms.

Which means they cannot challenge Texas's law on First Amendment grounds by arguing that they are not platforms, but publishers. If they are not publishers, they have no First Amendment protections.

We need a national version of Texas's law.

Posted by: Caiwyn at October 03, 2022 01:59 PM (+dHQK)

175 OT, If you miss the "DOOM" posts there's Karl Denninger at Market-Ticker:
https://is.gd/WBWoVF
Today's post is about the Credit Suisse and Deustche Bank shenanigans and the Fed response.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 03, 2022 02:00 PM (llON8)

176 Holy shit. They rebooted the fucking love boat?!

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at October 03, 2022 02:00 PM (5r4XQ)

177 I like Tommy Shaw's 'Girls with Guns' quite a bit.

Yep, great song. Not sure anything else he did solo was all that memorable.

https://youtu.be/VgHW5QSLE3E

Damn Yankees was a gigantic disappointment.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 03, 2022 02:00 PM (Ivdso)

178 It seemed too silly and vapid to catch on. Little did I know.
Posted by: Elric Blade

The thing I think is the absolute worst is the "reaction video."

Where someone split screens and shows someone else's video and then makes faces or shouts at the other video.

Posted by: blaster at October 03, 2022 02:01 PM (pwExq)

179 >>>I like Tommy Shaw's 'Girls with Guns' quite a bit.

Yeah, that's good. Video is one continuous shot, no edits.

Posted by: Mark1971 at October 03, 2022 02:01 PM (xPl2J)

180 Oh, of course. I am just curious as to what the mechanism for this thing is. It seems redundant overall. If DHS or someone in Washington rings up Twitter and says, "deal with this," it will get done. So why does this one exist, and how does it work?

It's more curiosity than anything. Nothing will be done, of course.

Posted by: Joe Mannix
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Makes those companies agents of the Federal Government if the federal government suggest banning them. Alex Beringer (sp?) is already suing one of the tech companies because it appears that the government instituted his platform ban.

If they collude independently which is happening, they can be sued on antitrust grounds and many states have state versions the Sherman Act in state law as well. The tech social media companies are being faced with nibbling by ducks at a time when online ad revenues margins seem to be declining and they are making themselves hated by general citizens.

Posted by: whig at October 03, 2022 02:01 PM (CXr4y)

181 Holy shit. They rebooted the fucking love boat?!

Now with more buttsecks for your viewing pleasure!

Posted by: The Mass Media at October 03, 2022 02:01 PM (ESjRY)

182 I'd miss YouTube (quite a bit of decent content on there that interests me) but the others could be bombed into oblivion for all I care, just as long as they would no longer exist.

Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at October 03, 2022 02:01 PM (xxG/v)

183 There's sort-of a split over two other s.230-related cases between FL and TX circuits now. Those cases are likely headed to SCOTUS. They're not dangerous. It's all ok. IANAL.

Posted by: quantum mechanic at October 03, 2022 02:02 PM (g1EEm)

184 Truth Social and internet blogs are part of the answer. When the communists start controlling ALL the internet, that's when the alarm klaxons should go off. Social media is still a choice. You can choose to be part of that open sewer or not.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at October 03, 2022 02:02 PM (BdMk6)

185 Where someone split screens and shows someone else's video and then makes faces or shouts at the other video.
Posted by: blaster at October 03, 2022 02:01 PM (pwExq)

yeah, but have you seen it when a hot chick does it?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 03, 2022 02:02 PM (UuD2k)

186 >>>I won't deny that I initially thought social media was a dumb idea that wouldn't catch on. Don't laugh: think back when you first heard the idea, and try not to take into account all that you know now. I thought SM would fail because I just couldn't see why anyone would care about anyone else's dumb random musings and pics. It seemed too silly and vapid to catch on. Little did I know.

Posted by: Elric Blade

>I didn't grasp the business model. These companies don't produce anything. Yes, they may have some servers, but... are those really assets?

Posted by: Dr. Bone at October 03, 2022 02:02 PM (z+OQR)

187 They rebooted the fucking love boat?!

Today's episode: transgendered man falls for a genderqueer hispanic who claims to be black. Also, a homosexual pair find troubled waters when each falls for a transgendered woman-to man beauty.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 03, 2022 02:03 PM (Ivdso)

188 We need a national version of Texas's law.

Posted by: Caiwyn at October 03, 2022 01:59 PM (+dHQK)

I agree. Empowering individuals to sue provides the potential for death by 1,000 cuts. Because we know GOPe won't do crap about it, and waiting 10+ years for SCOTUS to do it is like arranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at October 03, 2022 02:03 PM (yHsuS)

189 Take the disgusting soup of diseases on a regular cruise ship and add a generous helping of herpes and ass-pox. Ratings Gold!

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 03, 2022 02:03 PM (/EuRN)

190 Damn Yankees were OK. Come Again is a great song.

Posted by: Mark1971 at October 03, 2022 02:03 PM (xPl2J)

191 "Unless they act as a publisher.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 03, 2022 01:58 PM (yQpMk)"

Ugh. The law states "shall not be treated as a publisher of speaker".

That's the problem. They are, and they are not being penalized for it. Where they should be liable is under section 2, civil liability. On my opinion because they are selectively using their process to target certain types of speech, and not others. They are using their process in a discretionary manner. So it's not that they don't have the capabilities. I would argue they do, and are using it in a manner inconsistent with the ability to escape civil liability as the law is written.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 03, 2022 02:04 PM (TbpGr)

192 >>> 187 They rebooted the fucking love boat?!

Today's episode: transgendered man falls for a genderqueer hispanic who claims to be black. Also, a homosexual pair find troubled waters when each falls for a transgendered woman-to man beauty.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 03, 2022 02:03 PM (Ivdso)

It's a little scary how good some of us have become at doing this.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 03, 2022 02:04 PM (llON8)

193 I won't deny that I initially thought social media was a dumb idea that wouldn't catch on.

Yeah its a bizarre concept, I can't figure out why someone would even try it. it wasn't until I learned that they were gathering data to sell that I understood the business model. People voluntarily gushing data for someone to sell.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 03, 2022 02:04 PM (Ivdso)

194 I like Damn Yankees. Piledriver was banging. High Enough, Coming of Age...great riffs.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at October 03, 2022 02:05 PM (V6f9+)

195 It's also dangerous because the argument that "the algorithms must be changed to stop speech that 'causes harm'" is the leftist censor mafia's entire argument, and that is the central legal claim of this case. If the family pressing the lawsuit prevails on its theory that the tech companies are at fault for not tweaking their "algorithms" to suppress "harmful content," then all the tech companies will say that their censorship of "anti-trans" and "anti-gay" and "anti-woman" and "anti-minority" and "anti-Muslim" and anti-etc. content is no longer just their choice -- it's required by US law as mandated by the Supreme Court.

I think FJB made this point a couple weeks ago. He was threatening to revoke their section 230 protections unless they did MORE censoring.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Christian Nationalist, Defiant! at October 03, 2022 02:05 PM (t3/qz)

196 So, Your Yeoman Purser is actually going to carry a purse?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 03, 2022 02:05 PM (9k/S4)

197 Posted by: Elric Blade

You didn't take into account the brain damaged chick factor.

Posted by: Archer at October 03, 2022 02:06 PM (gmo/4)

198 social media

Room 101 without the rats.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at October 03, 2022 02:07 PM (zEUpG)

199 Take the disgusting soup of diseases on a regular cruise ship and add a generous helping of herpes and ass-pox. Ratings Gold!
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 03, 2022 02:03 PM (/EuRN)
..........

Doctor Bricker is gonna be busy.

Posted by: wth at October 03, 2022 02:07 PM (v0R5T)

200
??
It's a good album!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at October 03, 2022 01:57 PM (V6f9+)

I thought Big Ones was Aerosmith.....

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 03, 2022 02:07 PM (Zz0t1)

201 196 So, Your Yeoman Purser is actually going to carry a purse?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 03, 2022 02:05 PM (9k/S4)

Don't even tell me what the coxswain's walkin' around with....

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 03, 2022 02:07 PM (/EuRN)

202 Somebody needs to coin a term for a version of the Bechtel test for LGBT movies/shows where the standard is "one scene where two lgbt characters talk about something other than sex or sexuality." That Bros movie was heavily advertised on Hulu and every single sentence in the trailer was about how the characters were gay and having gay sex.

And since it's now apparently my fault for going to see it. We're closer to "mandatory buttsechs or you're a bigot" than "we just want to be out of the shadows."

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 03, 2022 02:07 PM (fKIdX)

203
"Our preferred media organs are exempt from prosecution under libel and slander laws, but when they deplatform people who tell the truth about *us,* that's just being responsible."
--- Your government

These people are *not* going to help you.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 03, 2022 02:07 PM (oINRc)

204 Why should information on how to make a bomb be illegal?

For one thing, the genie is out of the bottle since, oh, the third century BC or so.

For another - bombing innocent people is already against the law. Unless you're Ed Rendell.

1. I said it shouldn't be easy to find, not illegal.
2. I was talking more C4 and Semtex than gunpowder
3. I don't have to have an intellectually pure reason for this to be my somewhat porous line. The intellectually pure position also allows for fraud and direct calls to action, but most people don't assail those positions.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 03, 2022 02:07 PM (eyxn4)

205 Classmates.com was the first. Oohhh let me catch up on that person I went to HS with 20 years ago! Then FB comes along and it is "Oohhh let me keep up with every detail of the life of that person i went to hs with 20 years ago"

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Christian Nationalist, Defiant! at October 03, 2022 02:07 PM (t3/qz)

206 Don't even tell me what the coxswain's walkin' around with

The Bos'un has a killer sound system, though

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 03, 2022 02:07 PM (Ivdso)

207 Be right back, taking pictures of this microwaveable burrito.
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Follow me for more recipe ideas.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at October 03, 2022 02:08 PM (yikp0)

208 a resounding, enthusiastic "meh".

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - we are being gaslighted 24/365 at October 03, 2022 02:08 PM (8oyo2)

209 I can't call this case dangerous b/c right now, we are utterly losing on social media freedom online anyway...so, the SC eventual decision probably can't make things worse, and might make things better...

Posted by: Nova local at October 03, 2022 02:08 PM (exHjb)

210 I thought Julie Your Cruise Director was really cute.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 03, 2022 02:09 PM (9k/S4)

211 so, the SC eventual decision probably can't make things worse, and might make things better...

Depending on what decision comes out of it, Ace of Spades might be destroyed.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 03, 2022 02:09 PM (Ivdso)

212 Broken windows. If you are looking up directions on making a pipe bomb, it probably isn't for a 4th of July celebration.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Christian Nationalist, Defiant! at October 03, 2022 02:09 PM (t3/qz)

213 152 I agree with Ace. This case and the precedent set by it could horribly backfire, result in even more draconian censorship and ultimately spell the demise of alt-tech.

Posted by: Ernie McCracken at October 03, 2022 01:46 PM (dJ2RB)
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Thomas, Alito, and Gorsuch can navigate the s.230 issues successfully. I fully expect Roberts to side with the Libs. I have no idea with Kavanaugh or ACB.
Posted by: WisRich at October 03, 2022 01:55 PM (G0vdT)

The court could lay a real turd on this one. A brown “Jackson” one might say.

Posted by: 7man at October 03, 2022 02:09 PM (qwO6y)

214 Love Boat theme stuck in everyone's head now, I will bet a certain amount of money on it. Not a lot of money. But definitely a little.

Posted by: Colonel Travis at October 03, 2022 02:10 PM (RG7Wy)

215 I thought Clarence Thomas had made some comments suggesting that S230 needed to be reviewed due to abuse by Big Tech. Can't remember exactly what he said, but I would figure he would rule in a more sane manner on this case, assuming the issues present allow him to do so.

Posted by: Cynical Stoic at October 03, 2022 02:10 PM (0hHNz)

216 Ace must present both sides! Well, he must report the Leftist view, the rights reaction to the leftist view, and the lefts rebuttal.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Christian Nationalist, Defiant! at October 03, 2022 02:11 PM (t3/qz)

217 214 Love Boat theme stuck in everyone's head now, I will bet a certain amount of money on it. Not a lot of money. But definitely a little.
Posted by: Colonel Travis at October 03, 2022 02:10 PM (RG7Wy)

Well it would be if i didn't already have an unholy mishmash of Powerwolf, Styx and Damn Yankees clanking around up in there.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 03, 2022 02:11 PM (/EuRN)

218 come aboard
we're expecting you!

Posted by: wth at October 03, 2022 02:11 PM (v0R5T)

219 Thomas, Alito, and Gorsuch can navigate the s.230 issues successfully. I fully expect Roberts to side with the Libs. I have no idea with Kavanaugh or ACB.
Posted by: WisRich at October 03, 2022 01:55 PM (G0vdT)

The court could lay a real turd on this one. A brown “Jackson” one might say.
Posted by: 7man at October 03, 2022 02:09 PM (qwO6y)

ACB won't join the libs (she almost never does)...so then it's a Kavanaugh case...he's the lynchpin to a good decision.

Posted by: Nova local at October 03, 2022 02:11 PM (exHjb)

220 205 Classmates.com was the first. Oohhh let me catch up on that person I went to HS with 20 years ago! Then FB comes along and it is "Oohhh let me keep up with every detail of the life of that person i went to hs with 20 years ago"

don't forget twitter "ooohhh, i bet that person i went to hs with 20 years ago wants to see what i had for breakfast"

Posted by: stochastic kulak anachronda at October 03, 2022 02:11 PM (oY6Yp)

221 I trust Justice Roberts to do the right thing here.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Christian Nationalist, Defiant! at October 03, 2022 02:11 PM (t3/qz)

222 *double finger point and smile*

Posted by: Isaac, your bartender at October 03, 2022 02:12 PM (4I/2K)

223
The intellectually pure position also allows for fraud and direct calls to action, but most people don't assail those positions.
Posted by: bonhomme at October 03, 2022 02:07 PM (eyxn4)

Until you put the money in your pocket, or lead the mob to kill someone, you words aren't crimes. No sale, here.

One iota of power to control people's speech is too much for the kind of degenerate pig who enters government.

Personally, I'd be more in favor of taking every elected and appointed official, and sewing their mouths shut.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 03, 2022 02:12 PM (oINRc)

224 > They rebooted the fucking love boat?!

They rebooted Quantum Leap, and they introduced a "non-binary" character played by a "non-binary" actor.

What the hell is non-binary anyway? They reject the extreme stereotypes of both sexes, right? So just a normal guy or girl, but DIFFERENT somehow.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 03, 2022 02:12 PM (eyxn4)

225 Ace is missing the more immediate danger - if they gut S.230, he is personally responsible for everything we write in the comments.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 03, 2022 02:12 PM (ZGrMX)

226 The intellectually pure position also allows for fraud and direct calls to action, but most people don't assail those positions.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 03, 2022 02:07 PM (eyxn4)

Depends on how you want to define intellectually pure.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at October 03, 2022 02:12 PM (yHsuS)

227 How does a case like this even get past a motion to dismiss on causation? Yes, causation is generally a question of fact, but it would seem impossible to establish that ISIS recruiting material on youtube (or whatever) directly caused Gonzalez' death. That's kinda like arguing that reckless driving glorified in F&F movies caused any given accident on the highway.

Posted by: Elric Blade at October 03, 2022 02:12 PM (iFTx/)

228 The most useful part of Facebook for me, back when I was on it, was planning and coordinating family events: a picnic, a birthday party, etc. Other than that? A timewaster.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 03, 2022 02:13 PM (Ivdso)

229 212 Broken windows. If you are looking up directions on making a pipe bomb, it probably isn't for a 4th of July celebration.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Christian Nationalist, Defiant! at October 03, 2022 02:09 PM (t3/qz)

Yes, only the govt should know how to make bombs.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 03, 2022 02:13 PM (UuD2k)

230 Biden elephant walk [I think Stateside before flying to P.R.] although we don't see if he ends up in the right place as it's a shortened video:

@disclosetv
NOW - Biden: "I'm heading to Puerto Rico because they haven't been taken very good care of."

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/
1576997741011402752

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at October 03, 2022 02:13 PM (yikp0)

231 https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/05 /politics/barrett- supreme-court-kavanaugh

ACB has been good for us...money quote from last year...

"Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett has aligned most often with Clarence Thomas and Neil Gorsuch in her first months on the bench."

Posted by: Nova local at October 03, 2022 02:13 PM (exHjb)

232 A plausible end game is that almost all internet platforms, if liability protections are removed, ban all "political speech", "controversial topics" and "potentially harmful" speech universally, which leaves us with the ability to post cat videos and all substantive debate must take place within the legacy media.

Posted by: Zek at October 03, 2022 02:13 PM (lcQJG)

233 Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 03, 2022 02:12 PM (oINRc)

Yep. It's the difference between action/behavior and information/speech.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at October 03, 2022 02:13 PM (yHsuS)

234 Maybe add a footnote reminding that s.230 caveats its immunity on the premise that moderation will be done in "good faith."

That could then be used as precedent in a later ruling.

Posted by: Ace at 01:22 PM

We might - or might not - win this battle. Publishers are but one of the gatekeepers that we need to be concerned with. Another big one are the real platforms and content delivery platforms as well, such as Cloudflare. They've already caved at least twice, and there's no reason to believe that, given sufficient pressure, they would again.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 03, 2022 02:14 PM (9miN6)

235 176 Holy shit. They rebooted the fucking love boat?!

i'm thankful my sisters only made me watch the g-rated version.

Posted by: stochastic kulak anachronda at October 03, 2022 02:14 PM (oY6Yp)

236 The new Love Boat's Monkeypox episode would be timely.

Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at October 03, 2022 02:14 PM (xxG/v)

237 So, we’d get both sides of the Jennifer vs. Bailey debate?

I’m cool with that.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 03, 2022 02:14 PM (9k/S4)

238 They rebooted the fucking love boat?!

They rebooted Quantum Leap, and they introduced a "non-binary" character played by a "non-binary" actor.

What the hell is non-binary anyway? They reject the extreme stereotypes of both sexes, right? So just a normal guy or girl, but DIFFERENT somehow.
Posted by: bonhomme at October 03, 2022 02:12 PM (eyxn4)
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How soon until they've rebooted *every* show from the 70s, 80s, and 90s? They already have a reboot of Babylon 5 in the works, among other things...Can't wait until the reboot of "Simon & Simon" crossed over with "Murder She Wrote."

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 03, 2022 02:14 PM (YIVH2)

239 LET'S POLKA !

Posted by: Weird Allahpenis at October 03, 2022 02:15 PM (ZCool)

240 I thought Big Ones was Aerosmith.....
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 03, 2022 02:07 PM (Zz0t1)

Hmm. Let me check my CDs....

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at October 03, 2022 02:15 PM (V6f9+)

241 I thought Julie Your Cruise Director was really cute.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 03, 2022 02:09 PM (9k/S4)

***

Was. She became a crack hoor after leaving the show thinking she was off to do bigger things. It didn't happen.

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at October 03, 2022 02:15 PM (flINI)

242 it would seem impossible to establish that ISIS recruiting material on youtube (or whatever) directly caused Gonzalez' death.

Yeah I agree. Its basically impossible, short of telepathy, to chain some video to someone's action. Even if its directly and obviously a chain (Youtube video says shoot the head off of chickens, using this gun, and a guy shoots heads off chickens with that kind of gun, for example) you still cannot know that was the motivation or just something that they already agreed with and wanted to do.

I've always been extremely skeptical of attempts to link events with alleged inspirations. That kid went nuts and killed smoeoe because he listened to Judas Priest! That kid lived in the sewers because he played D&D! That girl became a tranny because she watched an episode of a cartoon that had a tranny!

Its at best questionable.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 03, 2022 02:15 PM (Ivdso)

243 So it looks like whoever throws a better kegger for Kavanaugh will be the case winner.

Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at October 03, 2022 02:16 PM (xxG/v)

244 One Year Ago Today, the Greatest Chant Was Captured on Live TV – And “LET’S GO BRANDON!” Was Born

Posted by: SMOD at October 03, 2022 02:16 PM (RHGPo)

245 The idea that people need to be protected from lies, an idea being pushed by the most prolific and incredible liars on the planet is what's really something here.

Posted by: ... at October 03, 2022 02:16 PM (krHA/)

246 One Year Ago Today, the Greatest Chant Was Captured on Live TV – And “LET’S GO BRANDON!” Was Born
Posted by: SMOD at October 03, 2022 02:16 PM (RHGPo)

The only good thing to come out of NASCAR in several years.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 03, 2022 02:16 PM (Zz0t1)

247 OMG! If the internet goes to hell we might actually have to start talking to people. Write letters. Go to real meetings.

END TIMES ARE COMING!

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at October 03, 2022 02:16 PM (BdMk6)

248 238 They already have a reboot of Babylon 5 in the works, among other things...

can't wait to find out about vorlon pronouns

Posted by: stochastic kulak anachronda at October 03, 2022 02:16 PM (oY6Yp)

249 > Until you put the money in your pocket, or lead the mob to kill someone, you words aren't crimes. No sale, here.

OK, but this isn't perfectly pure. Why should it be illegal for someone to shout, "Hey, you guys, go kill Charles over there! He's right there! There are enough of you, you could beat him to death with those pipes on the ground!"

You're not actually DOING anything. It's speech, right?

Posted by: bonhomme at October 03, 2022 02:16 PM (eyxn4)

250 Google is a tax.

Posted by: Chief Justice Roberts at October 03, 2022 02:17 PM (lf83v)

251 241 That’s really sad to hear, Truck Monkey.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 03, 2022 02:17 PM (9k/S4)

252 228 The most useful part of Facebook for me, back when I was on it, was planning and coordinating family events: a picnic, a birthday party, etc. Other than that? A timewaster.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 03, 2022 02:13 PM (Ivdso)
_________________________

You are probably married, lol. FB is a dating app without being a dating app. The surest way to get hot girls interested in you is for them to see you doing cool stuff with other hot girls. Works every time.

Posted by: Elric Blade at October 03, 2022 02:17 PM (iFTx/)

253 She became a crack hoor after leaving the show thinking she was off to do bigger things.

This, too is the story of Dana Plato.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 03, 2022 02:17 PM (Ivdso)

254 You're not actually DOING anything. It's speech, right?

Posted by: bonhomme at October 03, 2022 02:16 PM (eyxn4)

Nope. It's incitement.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at October 03, 2022 02:17 PM (yHsuS)

255 I can just see it now, Jason Statham as this generation's Captain Stubing. When he isn't banging your daughter, he's killing terrorists.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at October 03, 2022 02:17 PM (z+OQR)

256 240 I thought Big Ones was Aerosmith.....
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 03, 2022 02:07 PM (Zz0t1)

Hmm. Let me check my CDs....
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at October 03, 2022 02:15 PM (V6f9+)

Big Ones was Aerosmith. Was one of the first CDs I ever owned. Played it constantly.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 03, 2022 02:17 PM (KbCG3)

257 >>They rebooted the fucking love boat?!

Take a luxurious cruise to a distant island and contract norovirus or Legionnaires. It's what dreams are made from.
BONUS: Crew rapes and man overboard's galore.

Posted by: Weird Allahpenis at October 03, 2022 02:17 PM (ZCool)

258
This, too is the story of Dana Plato.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 03, 2022 02:17 PM (Ivdso)

Plato was hotter, tho.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 03, 2022 02:18 PM (Zz0t1)

259 can't wait to find out about vorlon pronouns
Posted by: stochastic kulak anachronda at October 03, 2022 02:16 PM (oY6Yp)
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Vorlons? What about the pak'ma'ra? The males are symbiotic humps that live on the females, or something weird like that...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 03, 2022 02:18 PM (YIVH2)

260 Was. She became a crack hoor after leaving the show thinking she was off to do bigger things. It didn't happen.
_________

Nitwit.

Posted by: Shelley Long, formerly of the Cheers Bar at October 03, 2022 02:18 PM (lf83v)

261 I can just see it now, Jason Statham as this generation's Captain Stubing. When he isn't banging your daughter, he's killing terrorists.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at October 03, 2022 02:17 PM (z+OQR)

I admit, I'd watch an episode or two.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 03, 2022 02:19 PM (Zz0t1)

262 I never liked Loverboy

Posted by: Skip's phone at October 03, 2022 02:19 PM (tFVob)

263 Yeah, sure.

Ritchie Torres @RitchieTorres · Oct 1
US House candidate, NY-15

I just had a conversation with @POTUS and thanked him for supporting Puerto Rico. His reply: Puerto Rico has been left behind for too long.

President Biden gets it.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at October 03, 2022 02:19 PM (yikp0)

264 96 And soon youtube will be censorsing ANY speech it doesn't like and it will have legal authority to do it.
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 03, 2022 01:44 PM (iFTx/)

Youtube ALREADY actively censors speech "it doesn't like", even though it has legal protection that obviates any need to do so.

Dangerous case? Yeah. Radioactive. For Google.

Posted by: CZ=FNG, Free Republic of Florida at October 03, 2022 02:19 PM (MkuC5)

265 *mixes Roofie cocktail*

Posted by: Isaac at October 03, 2022 02:19 PM (N30d6)

266 You're not actually DOING anything. It's speech, right?

Its the whole concept of "fighting words"; there is some language so provocative or problematic that it will cause an adverse and destructive reaction in the average, reasonable citizen. No right is 100% open to free expression without any limitations, and speech is the same case. The ideal is to have as few limitations and open expression as possible, but for example libel and slander laws exist for a good reason.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 03, 2022 02:19 PM (Ivdso)

267 The males are symbiotic humps that live on the females, or something weird like that...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 03, 2022 02:18 PM (YIVH2)

Some people would pay good money for a symbiotic hump...

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 03, 2022 02:20 PM (/EuRN)

268 @PamKeithFL 4h

I am telling you right now, DeSantis is going to undercount the dead from Ian.

He is going to hide the numbers, and pressure people to count deaths related to Ian as something else, some other natural cause.
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Wow. Projection is not just a pyramid in Giza

Posted by: ... at October 03, 2022 02:20 PM (krHA/)

269 225 Ace is missing the more immediate danger - if they gut S.230, he is personally responsible for everything we write in the comments.

Posted by: Ian S.
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Hate to tell you but ace.mu.nu is hosted on a foreign server so any lawsuits would have to overcome that barrier. There are some other protections that have probably been taken as well.

So S. 230 is not really an issue here.

Posted by: whig at October 03, 2022 02:20 PM (CXr4y)

270 > Its basically impossible, short of telepathy, to chain some video to someone's action. Even if its directly and obviously a chain (Youtube video says shoot the head off of chickens, using this gun, and a guy shoots heads off chickens with that kind of gun, for example) you still cannot know that was the motivation or just something that they already agreed with and wanted to do.

This is why I don't trust anyone who claims to know WHY the market is doing this or that thing at this particular moment. "The market" is millions of people doing several transactions daily. You're really telling me you can tell WHY millions of people did tens of things each and all of that cumulatively has "a reason" that can easily be described in a short narrative?

Posted by: bonhomme at October 03, 2022 02:20 PM (eyxn4)

271 Ok, there two albums named Big Ones (Loverboy greatest hits) and (Aerosmith).

Dunno why both albums have the same name, but they do, oddly.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at October 03, 2022 02:20 PM (V6f9+)

272 Limits on free speech have existed for many years. No direct incitement to violence, no yelling fire in a crowded theatre, etc. Not arguing they are perfect, but that they exist, they are to some degree tested, so why cannot they be applied here?

If I say I intend to burn down a theatre full of Dems, I can be censored by Twatter. If I say Biden is corrupt and his family takes money from China, I must not be!

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at October 03, 2022 02:21 PM (peWy1)

273 LOLGF.

@disclosetv · 28m
JUST IN - United Nations calls on the U.S. Federal Reserve and other central banks to halt interest rate increases.

Central banks risk pushing the global economy into recession, a UN agency said Monday.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at October 03, 2022 02:21 PM (yikp0)

274 Ok, there two albums named Big Ones (Loverboy greatest hits) and (Aerosmith).

Dunno why both albums have the same name, but they do, oddly.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at October 03, 2022 02:20 PM (V6f9+)

And there you have it.

Both correct.

*fistbump*

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 03, 2022 02:21 PM (Zz0t1)

275 255 I can just see it now, Jason Statham as this generation's Captain Stubing. When he isn't banging your daughter, he's killing terrorists.

Posted by: Dr. Bone
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Except they might rename the Captain as Captain Tubing or some such.

Posted by: whig at October 03, 2022 02:21 PM (CXr4y)

276 OK, but this isn't perfectly pure. Why should it be illegal for someone to shout, "Hey, you guys, go kill Charles over there! He's right there! There are enough of you, you could beat him to death with those pipes on the ground!"

You're not actually DOING anything. It's speech, right?
Posted by: bonhomme at October 03, 2022 02:16 PM (eyxn4

Charles probably deserves it.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at October 03, 2022 02:21 PM (BdMk6)

277 The surest way to get hot girls interested in you is for them to see you doing cool stuff with other hot girls. Works every time.
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 03, 2022 02:17 PM

I find, how you say, word of mouth works well.

Posted by: Paolo at October 03, 2022 02:21 PM (a3Q+t)

278 So S. 230 is not really an issue here.
Posted by: whig at October 03, 2022 02:20 PM (CXr4y)

Types. Deletes.

(just in case)

Posted by: blaster at October 03, 2022 02:22 PM (pwExq)

279 The surest way to get hot girls interested in you is for them to see you doing cool stuff with other hot girls.

Posted by: Elric Blade at October 03, 2022 02:17 PM (iFTx/)

And the surest way to get me interested is to see hot girls doing cool stuff with other hot girls.

Posted by: ... at October 03, 2022 02:22 PM (krHA/)

280 It is not The fault of Google that ISIS killed their daughter, no matter if they allowed them a platform. What his the proximate cause of her death? Not The Google platform. Radical Muslims killed her. They are just suing Google for the money.

Posted by: Czech Chick at October 03, 2022 02:22 PM (haWye)

281 his, too is the story of Dana Plato.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 03, 2022 02:17 PM (Ivdso)

Plato was hotter, tho.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 03, 2022 02:18 PM (Zz0t

***

I read that as Dana Perino and I thought WHAT?

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at October 03, 2022 02:22 PM (flINI)

282 Congrats blaster. Very happy for you.

Posted by: ... at October 03, 2022 02:22 PM (krHA/)

283 Internet is a tax. Case dismissed.
- John Benedict Arnold Roberts

Posted by: Joe XiDen at October 03, 2022 02:23 PM (OalnH)

284 276 OK, but this isn't perfectly pure. Why should it be illegal for someone to shout, "Hey, you guys, go kill Charles over there! He's right there! There are enough of you, you could beat him to death with those pipes on the ground!"

You're not actually DOING anything. It's speech, right?
Posted by: bonhomme at October 03, 2022 02:16 PM (eyxn4

Charles probably deserves it.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at October 03, 2022 02:21 PM (BdMk6)
________________

King Charles? He for sure deserves it . . . .

Posted by: Elric Blade at October 03, 2022 02:23 PM (iFTx/)

285 Somebody was saying it earlier. We might have to develop a whole parallel infrastructure that allows old-fashioned free exchange of information.

Google is hypocritically arguing that they are not responsible for "third-party" input, while, at many other junctures, acting like a publisher.

You cannot cause "harm" in talking bout gender-fugue, but apparently ISIS can cause actual fucking harm by plotting murders and explosions.

Posted by: Axeman at October 03, 2022 02:23 PM (krQz2)

286 “Symbiotic hump? Never heard of it.”

*walks away slowly, whistling*

— Fetterman’s goiter

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 03, 2022 02:23 PM (9k/S4)

287 There are some other protections that have probably been taken as well.
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Like Ace's dual American-Endor citizenship.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at October 03, 2022 02:23 PM (yikp0)

288 > Nope. It's incitement.

So as long as we can call a thing by another name, it's not OK? That's not a very pure, absolutist, first amendment position, is it?

That's not speech, it's fraud.

That's not speech, it's hate.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 03, 2022 02:23 PM (eyxn4)

289 Loverboy 'Big Ones' is a good compilation album

Posted by: A dude in MI at October 03, 2022 02:23 PM (/6GbT)

290 282 Congrats blaster. Very happy for you.
Posted by: ... at October 03, 2022 02:22 PM (krHA/)

Thanks all. We can use good news around here.

Also, it strikes me that it is 5 o'clock, somewhere.

Posted by: blaster at October 03, 2022 02:23 PM (pwExq)

291 Re: Love Boat

Saw a video from the show of nothing but the camera following scantily clan young women as they walk in and out of scenes. I never realized that was a thing during the show. Not scantily glad women part but the camera following them around a lot.

Posted by: Beartooth at October 03, 2022 02:23 PM (3p4cr)

292 You're never going to guess who Iran's Ayatollah says is causing all the unrest in Iran.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 03, 2022 02:23 PM (Y5qcH)

293 JUST IN - United Nations calls on the U.S. Federal Reserve and other central banks to halt interest rate increases.
________

Dear U.N.,

How's that peace in Ukraine plan coming along?

Thanks for your suggestion.

BFGFY.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at October 03, 2022 02:24 PM (lf83v)

294 The surest way to get hot girls interested in you is for them to see you doing cool stuff with other hot girls. Works every time.

—

Also known as being Pete Davidson,

Posted by: Joe XiDen at October 03, 2022 02:24 PM (OalnH)

295 Was. She became a crack hoor after leaving the show thinking she was off to do bigger things. It didn't happen.
_________

Nitwit.
Posted by: Shelley Long, formerly of the Cheers Bar at October 03, 2022 02:18 PM (lf83v)

***

I know right??

Posted by: Brian Dunkleman at October 03, 2022 02:24 PM (flINI)

296 SCOTUS just now declined to hear Mike Lindell's appeal vs. Dominion voting machines.

Posted by: gourmand du jour, in the fog yet again at October 03, 2022 02:24 PM (jTmQV)

297 Didn't Al Bundy occasionally read "Big 'Uns" magazine?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 03, 2022 02:24 PM (Zz0t1)

298 Charles probably deserves it.

"Dirty pool, old man, what?"
--King Charles III

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 03, 2022 02:24 PM (Ivdso)

299 How soon until they've rebooted *every* show from the 70s, 80s, and 90s? They already have a reboot of Babylon 5 in the works, among other things...Can't wait until the reboot of "Simon & Simon" crossed over with "Murder She Wrote."

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 03, 2022 02:14 PM (YIVH2)

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Are you ready for "Mx. Edwina" the Marxist African-Arabian Muslim Transgender Pedophile Pony from the Netflix crew who brought you "Cuties?"

Posted by: ShainS -- Triple-Jabbed & Quad-Boosted with the Biden Hurricane-22 Vaccine at October 03, 2022 02:24 PM (O6MQg)

300 Central banks risk pushing the global economy into recession, a UN agency said Monday.
Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at October 03, 2022 02:21 PM (yikp0)
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LOL.

Beat the horse's eyes and make them sleep.

Posted by: Axeman at October 03, 2022 02:24 PM (krQz2)

301 >>Plato was hotter, tho.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden

You just know the Hollyweirds were having their way with her. Turned her into an addict with mental issues.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at October 03, 2022 02:24 PM (ZCool)

302 276 OK, but this isn't perfectly pure. Why should it be illegal for someone to shout, "Hey, you guys, go kill Charles over there! He's right there! There are enough of you, you could beat him to death with those pipes on the ground!"

You're not actually DOING anything. It's speech, right?
Posted by: bonhomme
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Court dodged defining a true threat a couple of years ago by disposing of the case pending on other grounds (Elonis case). Brandenburg and Watts are the guiding standards here and they pose a high bar on speech that is not accompanied by immediate definite actions to further the threat.

Posted by: whig at October 03, 2022 02:24 PM (CXr4y)

303 You're never going to guess who Iran's Ayatollah says is causing all the unrest in Iran.
________

Global warming?

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at October 03, 2022 02:25 PM (lf83v)

304 There’s no copyright in titles.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 03, 2022 02:25 PM (9k/S4)

305 I just don't find the absolutist speech position very convincing. Everyone who has a bit of life experience has a line.

Your line is incitement to violence. My line, is fraud, incitement to violence, and bombmaking instructions should be harder to find.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 03, 2022 02:25 PM (eyxn4)

306 ha, ha!

@Breaking911 · 6m
New campaign ad from Sen. John Kennedy (R-La.): "If you hate cops just because they’re cops, the next time you get in trouble, call a crackhead."

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at October 03, 2022 02:25 PM (yikp0)

307 292 You're never going to guess who Iran's Ayatollah says is causing all the unrest in Iran.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe

Tinkerbelle?

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 03, 2022 02:26 PM (kUm8P)

308 You're never going to guess who Iran's Ayatollah says is causing all the unrest in Iran.

Barney the Dinosaur. It's always the last one you think of.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 03, 2022 02:26 PM (ZGrMX)

309 The average price of a gallon of self-serve regular gasoline in Los Angeles County rose seven-tenths of a cent to a record $6.466 Monday, topping the previous high of $6.462 set June 14.

Posted by: SMOD at October 03, 2022 02:26 PM (RHGPo)

310 Bechtel test, best application - burn it.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at October 03, 2022 02:26 PM (gPHjC)

311 296 SCOTUS just now declined to hear Mike Lindell's appeal vs. Dominion voting machines.

Posted by: gourmand du jour
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Court rarely hears cases involving interlocutory appeals because of ripeness doctrine. They wait until judgment or dismissal occurs at the trial court level and usually after appellate review.

Posted by: whig at October 03, 2022 02:26 PM (CXr4y)

312 Didn't Al Bundy occasionally read "Big 'Uns" magazine?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 03, 2022 02:24 PM (Zz0t1)
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I'd say it was more than "occasionally."

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 03, 2022 02:26 PM (YIVH2)

313 You're never going to guess who Iran's Ayatollah says is causing all the unrest in Iran.

—

Does this group own weather machines per chance?

Posted by: Joe XiDen at October 03, 2022 02:26 PM (OalnH)

314 Saw a video from the show of nothing but the camera following scantily clan young women as they walk in and out of scenes.

Like the intro to Miami Vice: large breasted woman in bikinis walks past camara (bongo drums play)... hot girls walk out of hotel, camera pans to follow and tilts to their bikini clad rear ends

https://youtu.be/dEjXPY9jOx8?t=47

I mean, it catches your attention but its interesting: none of the actors are in the intro. Just scenes from Miami.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 03, 2022 02:27 PM (Ivdso)

315 294 The surest way to get hot girls interested in you is for them to see you doing cool stuff with other hot girls. Works every time.

—

Also known as being Pete Davidson,
Posted by: Joe XiDen at October 03, 2022 02:24 PM (OalnH)
_______________

100%. That explains why such a mediocrity (at best) gets so many hot girls. Same thing with that other mediocrity on That 70s Show (not Aston) who also was inexplicably a hot property for a time. It's not reality that matters. It's the perception of reality that matters.

Posted by: Elric Blade at October 03, 2022 02:27 PM (iFTx/)

316 That's not speech, it's hate.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 03, 2022 02:23 PM (eyxn4)

Hate is not illegal.

Find a behavioral nexus to your speech, and if that behavior is illegal, then you have your intellectually pure "absolutist" position.

However, I am willing to grant some leeway for National Security information such as troop movements, nuke weapons, etc. Such information does not have a behavior necessarily associated with it. But, then, government is empowered to protect national security.

Even with that, you're not going to get to "China owns Brandon" is "national security information" or is "dangerous information." But they will attempt such anyway.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at October 03, 2022 02:28 PM (yHsuS)

317 This could be a good case, though. Youtube HAS to take the position that they could not possibly take down the ISIS video, that there are reasons.

And then the plaintiff can ask how is it that you have taken down all Trump videos and continue to do it to this day?

Memba how everybody was afraid to let a 2A case get to SCOTUS? Or a Roe case? Let a thousand flowers bloom.

Posted by: blaster at October 03, 2022 02:28 PM (pwExq)

318 You just know the Hollyweirds were having their way with her.

Yeah poor girl, she was really cute. And was truly ruined. Conrad Bain and Gary Coleman were probably pulling a train on her between scenes :/

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 03, 2022 02:29 PM (Ivdso)

319 Saw a video from the show of nothing but the camera following scantily clan young women as they walk in and out of scenes. I never realized that was a thing during the show. Not scantily glad women part but the camera following them around a lot.

Posted by: Beartooth
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If you like that, watch Burn Notice as it is apparently a key part of the show and from memory, I recall the same thing about Miami Vice.

Posted by: whig at October 03, 2022 02:29 PM (CXr4y)

320
https://youtu.be/dEjXPY9jOx8?t=47

I mean, it catches your attention but its interesting: none of the actors are in the intro. Just scenes from Miami.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 03, 2022 02:27 PM (Ivdso)

At the :14 mark as well.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 03, 2022 02:29 PM (Zz0t1)

321 204. For another - bombing innocent people is already against the law. Unless you're Ed Rendell.

And mayor Wilson Goode. BillyPenn Newletter, 2015: Mayor Wilson Goode and his top advisors at the time — including then-District Attorney Ed Rendell — approved the decision to drop the explosives. They were attempting to get rid of MOVE, a radical liberation group living in a commune.

Goode was the first African American to hold that office and had defeated former mayor Frank Rizzo in both '83 & '87, the latter election following the MOVE bombing.

Posted by: Lola at October 03, 2022 02:29 PM (NIYa7)

322 296 SCOTUS just now declined to hear Mike Lindell's appeal vs. Dominion voting machines.
Posted by: gourmand du jour, in the fog yet again
Also,

JUST IN: Supreme Court Declines to Hear Challenge to Biden’s Federal Vaccine Mandate for Healthcare Workers

That uncomfortable feeling you just got in your sqeakhole, Yeah, it was SCROTUS.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at October 03, 2022 02:29 PM (ZCool)

323 I mean, it catches your attention but its interesting: none of the actors are in the intro. Just scenes from Miami.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 03, 2022 02:27 PM (Ivdso)

—

Supposedly the pitch for Miami Vice to NBC was MTV cops in Miami. It didn’t matter who the stars were. The city, the beach, the cars, the babes were the real stars of the show.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at October 03, 2022 02:29 PM (OalnH)

324 202 Somebody needs to coin a term for a version of the Bechtel test for LGBT movies/shows where the standard is "one scene where two lgbt characters talk about something other than sex or sexuality."

...

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 03, 2022 02:07 PM (fKIdX)

----------------------------

Call it the "Schitt's Creek" test. One of the things I recall from that show is that the gay guy (and later his partner) were most often shown having normal everyday problems, and normal everyday couples problems. There was very little focus on acceptance. Everyone was pretty much cool with it from the start.

I even remember reading commentary from LGBT folk about how much they enjoyed that not all the conflict was about sexuality.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at October 03, 2022 02:30 PM (uPgE/)

325 100%. That explains why such a mediocrity (at best) gets so many hot girls. Same thing with that other mediocrity on That 70s Show (not Aston) who also was inexplicably a hot property for a time. It's not reality that matters. It's the perception of reality that matters.
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 03, 2022 02:27 PM (iFTx/)
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The inexplicable appeal of Tony Danza.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at October 03, 2022 02:30 PM (to2dd)

326 I mean, it catches your attention but its interesting: none of the actors are in the intro. Just scenes from Miami.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 03, 2022 02:27 PM (Ivdso)

They had to establish that the Vice was indeed in Miami. You know NOTHING of art!

Posted by: blaster at October 03, 2022 02:30 PM (pwExq)

327 Our county board passed a resolution opposing the suicidal Illinois SAFE-T Act (abolition of cash bail.) Sure enough, our churches pounced, announced support for the demonic Act. Just like with illegals, most of the churches are onboard with #woke. Very frustrating, and in this case, they're going to get innocent people killed.

Posted by: Top Of gp's Mind at October 03, 2022 02:30 PM (24fqN)

328
https://youtu.be/dEjXPY9jOx8?t=47

I mean, it catches your attention but its interesting: none of the actors are in the intro. Just scenes from Miami.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 03, 2022 02:27 PM (Ivdso)

And, I believe, the two ladies walking off are in the first episode where the song morphs into the static beat and music where a guy is breakdancing and Sunny makes a comment about it.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 03, 2022 02:31 PM (Zz0t1)

329 Conrad Bain and Gary Coleman were probably pulling a train on her between scenes :/
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 03, 2022 02:29 PM (Ivdso)

—-

Ok there goes lunch for today.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at October 03, 2022 02:31 PM (OalnH)

330 Barney the Dinosaur. It's always the last one you think of.
Posted by: Ian S. at October 03, 2022 02:26 PM (ZGrMX)

Wasn't Barney the fifth Wiggle?

Posted by: Boswell at October 03, 2022 02:31 PM (+Cgut)

331 Ok, there two albums named Big Ones (Loverboy greatest hits) and (Aerosmith).

Dunno why both albums have the same name, but they do, oddly.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at October 03, 2022 02:20 PM (V6f9+)

The Beach Boys put out an album titled 15 Big Ones in 1976. It was the first Brian Wilson produced BB album since Pet Sounds. 20th album in 15 years.

Posted by: Mike Love, Dancing Fool at October 03, 2022 02:32 PM (4I/2K)

332 Supposedly the pitch for Miami Vice to NBC was MTV cops in Miami. It didn’t matter who the stars were. The city, the beach, the cars, the babes were the real stars of the show.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at October 03, 2022 02:29 PM (OalnH)

If you go back and watch the first few episodes it was very much like any other cop show - the dialogue, the hard ass captain busting the chops of the cops playing fast and loose with the rules.

Then it got into its own groove, and it was WAY better.

Posted by: blaster at October 03, 2022 02:32 PM (pwExq)

333 @zerohedge · 24m
Iran's Ayatollah Breaks Silence On Anti-Government "Riots", Calls Uprising A US-Israeli Plot

andy: Also, "...Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said her death "deeply broke my heart" and called it a "bitter incident" provoked by Iran's enemies. ..."

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at October 03, 2022 02:32 PM (yikp0)

334 You're never going to guess who Iran's Ayatollah says is causing all the unrest in Iran.
________

Global warming?
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at October 03, 2022 02:25 PM (lf83v

Yo mama?

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at October 03, 2022 02:32 PM (BdMk6)

335 320
https://youtu.be/dEjXPY9jOx8?t=47

I mean, it catches your attention but its interesting: none of the actors are in the intro. Just scenes from Miami.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 03, 2022 02:27 PM (Ivdso)

At the :14 mark as well.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 03, 2022 02:29 PM (Zz0t1)
__________________

And that theme song. Yea, it's basically tarted-up porno music with higher production values, but hard not to resist . . . .

Posted by: Elric Blade at October 03, 2022 02:32 PM (iFTx/)

336 278 So S. 230 is not really an issue here.
Posted by: whig at October 03, 2022 02:20 PM (CXr4y)

Types. Deletes.

(just in case)

Posted by: blaster
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Multiple shell companies can be created so even if liability is found on one, the others continue. In some ways, that is how Acorn keeps morphing into other entities. Even a bit more insulation dealing with foreign servers and I am sure that Ace got a bit more professional advice on his blog setup than he did on putting up shelves.

Posted by: whig at October 03, 2022 02:32 PM (CXr4y)

337 Miami Vice had more Hawaiian scenes than Codename: Diamond Head.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 03, 2022 02:33 PM (9k/S4)

338 Wasn't Barney the fifth Wiggle?
__________

Barney was the Baby Daddy for the purple Teletubbie -- Tinky Winky.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at October 03, 2022 02:33 PM (lf83v)

339 Then it got into its own groove, and it was WAY better.

Crockett kind of stood out but yeah by the time Edward James Olmos became the captain it really had become something special. I mean its 77 Sunset Strip but often really well done. Binge watching though, it gets really depressing and you get tired of Sonny Crocket taking it in the teeth every episode.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 03, 2022 02:33 PM (Ivdso)

340 I was a young’in when Miami Vice was on and I just remember how cool it all was. Couldn’t tell you the plot of any episode though.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at October 03, 2022 02:34 PM (OalnH)

341 Our county board passed a resolution opposing the suicidal Illinois SAFE-T Act (abolition of cash bail.) Sure enough, our churches pounced, announced support for the demonic Act. Just like with illegals, most of the churches are onboard with #woke. Very frustrating, and in this case, they're going to get innocent people killed.

Posted by: Top Of gp's Mind at October 03, 2022 02:30 PM (24fqN)

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O'Sullivan's Law wasn't restricted to the secular ....

Posted by: ShainS -- Triple-Jabbed & Quad-Boosted with the Biden Hurricane-22 Vaccine at October 03, 2022 02:34 PM (O6MQg)

342
Crockett kind of stood out but yeah by the time Edward James Olmos became the captain it really had become something special. I mean its 77 Sunset Strip but often really well done. Binge watching though, it gets really depressing and you get tired of Sonny Crocket taking it in the teeth every episode.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 03, 2022 02:33 PM (Ivdso)

I always loved the sound of his hand canon when he fired it.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 03, 2022 02:35 PM (Zz0t1)

343 @disclosetv · 28m
JUST IN - United Nations calls on the U.S. Federal Reserve and other central banks to halt interest rate increases.

Central banks risk pushing the global economy into recession, a UN agency said Monday.
Posted by: andycanuck

*

And the only cure is a global digital currency.

Fortunately both Europe and the United States have one ready to go and the system already active.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at October 03, 2022 02:35 PM (0fs9V)

344 *cannon

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 03, 2022 02:35 PM (Zz0t1)

345 I always loved the sound of his hand canon when he fired it.

Yeah the Foley guys had fun with that one. Everyone else's gun sounded like a bang but his sounded like the world was ending.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 03, 2022 02:36 PM (Ivdso)

346 297 Didn't Al Bundy occasionally read "Big 'Uns" magazine?

he read it for the articles

Posted by: stochastic kulak anachronda at October 03, 2022 02:36 PM (oY6Yp)

347 I was a young’in when Miami Vice was on and I just remember how cool it all was. Couldn’t tell you the plot of any episode though.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at October 03, 2022 02:34 PM (OalnH)
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Started the fad of wearing unconstructed linen sport coats with pastel t-shirts. And Topsiders.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at October 03, 2022 02:36 PM (to2dd)

348 And the only cure is a global digital currency.

Fortunately both Europe and the United States have one ready to go and the system already active.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at October 03, 2022 02:35 PM (0fs9V)

i'm sure it's only a coincidence that the Euro and Dollar have been flirting with parity for a while now....

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 03, 2022 02:36 PM (/EuRN)

349 319 Saw a video from the show of nothing but the camera following scantily clan young women as they walk in and out of scenes. I never realized that was a thing during the show. Not scantily glad women part but the camera following them around a lot.

Posted by: Beartooth
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If you like that, watch Burn Notice as it is apparently a key part of the show and from memory, I recall the same thing about Miami Vice.
Posted by: whig at October 03, 2022 02:29 PM (CXr4y)

Also, Dexter.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at October 03, 2022 02:36 PM (BdMk6)

350 Central banks risk pushing the global economy into recession, a UN agency said Monday.
Posted by: andycanuck

JUST REDEFINE RECESSION!

Geez. Doesn't anybody here know how to play this game?

Posted by: blaster at October 03, 2022 02:37 PM (pwExq)

351 "Then it got into its own groove, and it was WAY better."

IIRC, at end of season 3(?), they uncovered the Illuminati (or whoever the ultimate TPTB are.) I figured that was the end of the series, because how do you follow that up? But there was another season, like nothing ever happened.

Posted by: Top Of gp's Mind at October 03, 2022 02:37 PM (24fqN)

352 And that theme song. Yea, it's basically tarted-up porno music with higher production values, but hard not to resist . . . .
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 03, 2022 02:32 PM (iFTx/)

--------------------------------

Theme song hit #1 on the Billboard Top 100

Posted by: No One of Consequence at October 03, 2022 02:37 PM (uPgE/)

353 The quick shot of hot chick with bouncing boobies in the opening montage of Miami Vice and the Jan Hammer soundtrack.

Posted by: Archer at October 03, 2022 02:37 PM (gmo/4)

354 Hate to tell you but ace.mu.nu is hosted on a foreign server so any lawsuits would have to overcome that barrier. There are some other protections that have probably been taken as well.

So S. 230 is not really an issue here.
Posted by: whig

You sure?

nslookup ace.mu.nu
Non-authoritative answer:
Address: 216.18.211.179

IP Details For: 216.18.211.179
ISP: WebNX Inc. // Country: United States // State/Region: Utah // City: Ogden

Posted by: quantum mechanic at October 03, 2022 02:37 PM (g1EEm)

355 348 i'm sure it's only a coincidence that the Euro and Dollar have been flirting with parity for a while now....

i figured everyone would be doing md5 checksums by now

Posted by: stochastic kulak anachronda at October 03, 2022 02:38 PM (oY6Yp)

356 Couldn’t tell you the plot of any episode though.
__________

Sonny goes undercover to catch a drug dealer, but falls in love with the drug dealers gorgeous sister.

The Hispanic police captain glares at Sonny and tells him to do his job. The black partner says "Don't worry, Sonny, I will get Captain Hispanic off your back."

There is a shoot out and the police accidentally kill the drug dealer's sister. They arrest the drug dealer.

Sonny goes back to his yacht with his pet alligator and listens to Phil Collins or Glenn Frye.

The end.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at October 03, 2022 02:38 PM (lf83v)

357 354 nslookup ace.mu.nu
Non-authoritative answer:
Address: 216.18.211.179

IP Details For: 216.18.211.179
ISP: WebNX Inc. // Country: United States // State/Region: Utah // City: Ogden

right next to the data farm; handy for bob from the nsa

Posted by: stochastic kulak anachronda at October 03, 2022 02:38 PM (oY6Yp)

358 "Couldn’t tell you the plot of any episode though."

I remember the one where the chemist sucked a big pipe of his 'synthetic cocaine,' and dropped DRT.

Posted by: Top Of gp's Mind at October 03, 2022 02:38 PM (24fqN)

359 JUST IN: Supreme Court Declines to Hear Challenge to Biden’s Federal Vaccine Mandate for Healthcare Workers

That uncomfortable feeling you just got in your sqeakhole, Yeah, it was SCROTUS.

Posted by: Maj. Healey
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Denial of cert establishes no precedent. The case was turned back to district court for a trial. Once again, interlocutory appeals (granting cert, when the lower courts have not issued a final ruling or judgment and bypassing the appellate process refusing an injunction) is not the same thing as ruling on merits of the case. Current precedent allows the vaccine mandate for even citizens under Jacobson v. Mass but arguably federalism might be an argument that could be used to narrow that decision.

It is cold comfort for health care workers but that is the way that Scotus rolls usually and Medicare/Medicaid funding laws give FedGov a big statutory say in how the healthcare system is run.

Posted by: whig at October 03, 2022 02:39 PM (CXr4y)

360 And mayor Wilson Goode. BillyPenn Newletter, 2015: Mayor Wilson Goode and his top advisors at the time — including then-District Attorney Ed Rendell — approved the decision to drop the explosives. They were attempting to get rid of MOVE, a radical liberation group living in a commune.

Goode was the first African American to hold that office and had defeated former mayor Frank Rizzo in both '83 & '87, the latter election following the MOVE bombing.

That whole incident was insane. It can't even be summed up succinctly without cutting out a lot of important details. The cult was weird as hell. They were a danger to themselves and a huge nuisance to everyone around them. They had people on their PA system, berating everyone around them nearly all of the time.

Their own people were living in filth and they were starving their kids.

Then the police moved in and things got even worse. Gunshots were exchanged, a standoff went on and on, and eventually they bombed the shit out the neighborhood. BIG BADA BOOM.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 03, 2022 02:40 PM (eyxn4)

361 I liked the ones with G. Gordon Liddy.

Posted by: blaster at October 03, 2022 02:40 PM (pwExq)

362 You're never going to guess who Iran's Ayatollah says is causing all the unrest in Iran.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 03, 2022 02:23 PM (Y5qcH)

Ain't I a stinker?

Posted by: The Original Steve on Blues Clues with my Handy Dandy Notebook at October 03, 2022 02:40 PM (4I/2K)

363 nslookup ace.mu.nu
Non-authoritative answer:
Address: 216.18.211.179

IP Details For: 216.18.211.179
ISP: WebNX Inc. // Country: United States // State/Region: Utah // City: Ogden

That's only the owner of the IP address and not necessarily where the servers are located, no?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 03, 2022 02:40 PM (Zz0t1)

364 There is a shoot out and the police accidentally kill the drug dealer's sister. They arrest the drug dealer.

Sonny goes back to his yacht with his pet alligator and listens to Phil Collins or Glenn Frye.

The end.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at October 03, 2022 02:38 PM (lf83v)

LOL. That is exactly how I remember it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 03, 2022 02:40 PM (trdmm)

365 Just because .nu is a foreign (Niue) TLD doesn't mean .nu domains have to be hosted in Niue.

Tuvalu sure as heck doesn't have the infrastructure to host all those .tv domains.

Posted by: quantum mechanic at October 03, 2022 02:41 PM (g1EEm)

366 If you haven't seen Michael Mann's "Miami Vice," try it. It's pretty good.

Posted by: Top Of gp's Mind at October 03, 2022 02:41 PM (24fqN)

367 That's only the owner of the IP address and not necessarily where the servers are located, no?
Posted by: Sponge

That is where Pixy's servers are.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Christian Nationalist, Defiant! at October 03, 2022 02:41 PM (t3/qz)

368 Started the fad of wearing unconstructed linen sport coats with pastel t-shirts. And Topsiders.

It was a good look, along with moussed-back hair and wayfarers.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 03, 2022 02:41 PM (Ivdso)

369 The one with Frank Zappa he played a drug dealer peddling "Weasel Dust".

Posted by: fd 5.2.01c final release at October 03, 2022 02:41 PM (sn5EN)

370 I guess the stock market loves some disastrous hurricanes

Posted by: CIA at October 03, 2022 02:41 PM (bs+z0)

371 Both G. Gordon Liddy and Lee Iacocca showed on Miami Vice. Don’t think they were on the same episode, though.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 03, 2022 02:42 PM (9k/S4)

372 307 Tinkerbelle?

hmm. gives me an idea for a remake involving sparkly peter pan and tinkerbella.

Posted by: stochastic kulak anachronda at October 03, 2022 02:42 PM (oY6Yp)

373 If you haven't seen Michael Mann's "Miami Vice," try it. It's pretty good.
Posted by: Top Of gp's Mind at October 03, 2022 02:41 PM (24fqN)

I will be honest and say I didn't like it and we turned it off 1/2 way through.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 03, 2022 02:42 PM (Zz0t1)

374 Then the police moved in and things got even worse. Gunshots were exchanged, a standoff went on and on, and eventually they bombed the shit out the neighborhood. BIG BADA BOOM.
Posted by: bonhomme at October 03, 2022 02:40 PM (eyxn4)

big takeaway from the incident - no matter how bad things get, don't bomb your own city. It just ain't gonna work out like you want it to.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 03, 2022 02:42 PM (trdmm)

375 Barney was the Baby Daddy for the purple Teletubbie -- Tinky Winky.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at October 03, 2022 02:33 PM (lf83v)

So definitely banging Dorothy the Dinasaur

Posted by: Boswell at October 03, 2022 02:42 PM (+Cgut)

376 Abolish The SCROTUM!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 03, 2022 02:43 PM (Pdsey)

377 Both G. Gordon Liddy and Lee Iacocca showed on Miami Vice.

EVERYBODY showed up on Miami Vice. You can fill a book with the number of then-current big names and later hot celebs that showed up on there.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 03, 2022 02:43 PM (Ivdso)

378 Not 230 or Miami Vice related, but wasn't able to comment on last post in time.

Note that in the NOAA statement quoted by Shellenberger, the key kernel of it all remains - "greenhouse-gas induced warming". Petitio principii in action. Assuming that which is to be proven. "Begging the question", as the phrase is properly used.

Translated into actual logically valid, scientifically valid and serious English, this might read: "even if it is the case that CO2 levels are affecting global climate - if there is such a thing as global climate - there is no evidence this has any affect on frequency or intensity of tropical storms."

But it gets worse. Actually there is no reason to think that a "warming" planet would have more frequent or intense storms - or at least I await any convincing explanation of that. It's possible, but far from common sense or technically reasonable.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 03, 2022 02:43 PM (OTzUX)

379 357 354 nslookup ace.mu.nu

Posted by: stochastic kulak anachronda
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You can ask Pixy yourself if you are up at 4 am or so. On blogs that face DNS attacks, there is usually multiple ways for the original content server to be bounced around the globe.

Look up .nu on wikipedia for example.

Posted by: whig at October 03, 2022 02:43 PM (CXr4y)

380 One thing I remember from Miami Vice is that by the end of the show, one episode cost more to shoot than the actual vice squad in Miami had to run its operations for a year.

Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at October 03, 2022 02:43 PM (xxG/v)

381 I was a young’in when Miami Vice was on and I just remember how cool it all was. Couldn’t tell you the plot of any episode though.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at October 03, 2022 02:34 PM (OalnH)

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My favorite episode was called "Out Where the Buses Don't Run" with a fabulous guest appearance by Bruce McGill as a crazy ex-cop.

Posted by: ShainS -- Triple-Jabbed & Quad-Boosted with the Biden Hurricane-22 Vaccine at October 03, 2022 02:43 PM (O6MQg)

382 It seemed too silly and vapid to catch on. Little did I know.
Posted by: Elric Blade

The thing I think is the absolute worst is the "reaction video."

Where someone split screens and shows someone else's video and then makes faces or shouts at the other video.
Posted by: blaster at October 03, 2022 02:01 PM (pwExq)

Besides the format differences, that's just the same thing as a movie review or one of Ace's posts or the old blog "Fisking". Some may do it badly, but the alternating "Person A said X , this is why they are right/wrong" is universal.

Winston Churchill's Life of Marlborough is a three volume response to a history a hundred years or so old that he thought misrepresented his ancestor.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 03, 2022 02:43 PM (eoQWY)

383 Wouldn't the French government be liable for letting the jihadis into France, and the Obama administration by liable for arming and financing ISIS?

Posted by: 18-1 at October 03, 2022 02:43 PM (ESjRY)

384 Both G. Gordon Liddy and Lee Iacocca showed on Miami Vice. Don’t think they were on the same episode, though.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 03, 2022 02:42 PM (9k/S4)

Miami Vice was the Loveboat of the 80's in terms of six degrees of separation. Even the director Michael Bay was in an episode as henchman

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at October 03, 2022 02:44 PM (OgrpQ)

385 Abolish The SCROTUM!

If you have a newsletter, I want no part of it.

Posted by: Sandra Flook at October 03, 2022 02:44 PM (Xrfse)

386 I'd like to introduce my fd 5.2.01d handle.

Posted by: fd 5.2.01d at October 03, 2022 02:44 PM (sn5EN)

387 Russ Ballard 'Voices'...the big scarab blasting on the ocean.. iconic

Posted by: A dude in MI at October 03, 2022 02:44 PM (/6GbT)

388 I mean, it catches your attention but its interesting: none of the actors are in the intro. Just scenes from Miami.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 03, 2022 02:27 PM (Ivdso)
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Whereas in Baywatch all, all of the actors were in the intro.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at October 03, 2022 02:44 PM (gPHjC)

389 I figured that would bring a nood.

Posted by: fd 5.2.01d at October 03, 2022 02:44 PM (sn5EN)

390 But it didn't.

Posted by: fd 5.2.01d mod 1 at October 03, 2022 02:45 PM (sn5EN)

391 SEATTLE: Pro-abortion protesters harassed individuals as they tried to enter Cedar Park Church for a pro-life conference called “Love Life.”
https://is.gd/k7vE20

Posted by: Ciampino at October 03, 2022 02:45 PM (qfLjt)

392 Abolish The SCROTUM!

If you have a newsletter, I want no part of it.
_________

Tough business. Prospects were always sagging.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at October 03, 2022 02:45 PM (lf83v)

393 Miles Davis,
Frank Zappa

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at October 03, 2022 02:45 PM (gPHjC)

394 Sonny goes undercover to catch a drug dealer, but falls in love with the drug dealers gorgeous sister.

The Hispanic police captain glares at Sonny and tells him to do his job. The black partner says "Don't worry, Sonny, I will get Captain Hispanic off your back."

There is a shoot out and the police accidentally kill the drug dealer's sister. They arrest the drug dealer.

Sonny goes back to his yacht with his pet alligator and listens to Phil Collins or Glenn Frye.

The end.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at October 03, 2022 02:38 PM (lf83v)

I love that episode. I could watch it a hundred times.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at October 03, 2022 02:45 PM (V6f9+)

395 I'd like to introduce my fd 5.2.01d handle.
Posted by: fd 5.2.01d

saw that earlier, what's it mean? are you 5.2 times more stable than the minx version Pixy uses to run the blog with?

Posted by: BifBewalski at October 03, 2022 02:45 PM (3CCua)

396 That's only the owner of the IP address and not necessarily where the servers are located, no?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden

That's true. But the owner of the IP address is a starting point as far as litigation goes.

I'll see if I can find where the physical server is. Pretty sure it's in the US.

Posted by: quantum mechanic at October 03, 2022 02:45 PM (g1EEm)

397 Al Bundy, er, Ed O'Neill, made an appearance on Miami Vice.

He played an FBI agent doing undercover work in the porn industry. No word if he was investigating Big 'Uns.

Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at October 03, 2022 02:46 PM (xxG/v)

398 Current precedent allows the vaccine mandate for even citizens under Jacobson v. Mass

Note this was the same decision used for the basis of forced lobotomies and sterilization.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 03, 2022 02:46 PM (ESjRY)

399 10MM. For when you want to send a little something extra.

Posted by: Eromero at October 03, 2022 02:46 PM (0OP+5)

400 Who gets to decide what is 'hate speech' or disinformation? If we give the lying, hate-filled, racist, Southern Poverty Law Center any say whatsoever in the definitions it is a lost cause.

Remember way back when, that if you stated that the vaccine doesn't stop or slow the spread of the 'rona you would be cancelled? Now, everyone with two brain cells to rub together knows that the 'vaccine' doesn't do shit to stop the 'rona, but is plagued with a host of deadly side-effects. And they still want us to take it.
Screw them with a rusty roll of barbed wire.

Posted by: Bonecrusher at October 03, 2022 02:46 PM (JNTt1)

401 Whereas in Baywatch all, all of the actors were in the intro.
________

In calling them "actors", you are being extremely generous.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at October 03, 2022 02:46 PM (lf83v)

402 Note that in the NOAA statement quoted by Shellenberger, the key kernel of it all remains - "greenhouse-gas induced warming".

Related: "UN Secretary for Global Comms says they 'own the science" on "climate change,' and opposing viewpoints have now been pushed down in search results through their partnership with Google."

https://tinyurl.com/jsnkcsb4

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 03, 2022 02:46 PM (Ivdso)

403 > EVERYBODY showed up on Miami Vice. You can fill a book with the number of then-current big names and later hot celebs that showed up on there.

The Sting on Twitter did a two minute Miami Vice guest star montage video. It's well done and fun to see all of the big stars when they were young.

https://bit.ly/3y7STMH

Posted by: bonhomme at October 03, 2022 02:46 PM (eyxn4)

404 My favorite episode was called "Out Where the Buses Don't Run" with a fabulous guest appearance by Bruce McGill as a crazy ex-cop.
Posted by: ShainS -- Triple-Jabbed & Quad-Boosted with the Biden Hurricane-22 Vaccine at October 03, 2022 02:43 PM (O6MQg)

Good ol' D-Day!

Posted by: Stork at October 03, 2022 02:47 PM (4I/2K)

405 what's it mean? are you 5.2 times more stable than the minx version Pixy uses to run the blog with?
Posted by: BifBewalski "

I worked hard last week and only got 42 socks. This week I'm not going to put nearly as much effort into it.

Posted by: fd 5.2.02 at October 03, 2022 02:47 PM (sn5EN)

406 One thing I remember from Miami Vice is that by the end of the show, one episode cost more to shoot than the actual vice squad in Miami had to run its operations for a year.

Well the pay for real vice cops wasn't nearly what the cast was getting for one thing. Probably helped a lot with recruiting, though.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 03, 2022 02:47 PM (Ivdso)

407 Is there some reason people are trying to locate and publish the location of Ace's server? How about don't.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 03, 2022 02:47 PM (Qy7kP)

408 391 SEATTLE: Pro-abortion protesters harassed individuals as they tried to enter Cedar Park Church for a pro-life conference called “Love Life.”
https://is.gd/k7vE20
Posted by: Ciampino
-------------------------

Christians crack them on the skull with hot irons to let the demons out.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at October 03, 2022 02:47 PM (gPHjC)

409 NOOD Tranny Volleyball

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 03, 2022 02:48 PM (t0OGg)

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Posted by: www.Profit97.Com at October 03, 2022 02:48 PM (xNK28)

411 360. Posted by: bonhomme

Yes, I videotaped straight, for more than 24 hours. I still have the tapes but as they were created from tv news, I've assumed that's copyrighted material & I can't have it put into any other format.

Posted by: Lola at October 03, 2022 02:49 PM (NIYa7)

412 tranny volleyball nood

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at October 03, 2022 02:49 PM (yikp0)

413 I am making $50 an hour working from home. I never imagined that it was honest to goodness yet my closest companion is earning $11,000 a month by working on a laptop, that was truly astounding for me, she prescribed for me to attempt it simply.
Everybody must try this job now by just using this.. www.Profit97.com

Posted by: www.Profit97.Com at October 03, 2022 02:49 PM (xNK28)

414 I knew one of the ladies who was used as bikini-clad eye candy for Baywatch.

She had a motormouth. She could crank out 500 words a minute for more than a couple of hours nonstop. A near-perfect ten in a bikini but she'd have you committing suicide if you had to spend a weekend with her.

Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at October 03, 2022 02:49 PM (xxG/v)

415
Ed Rendell burned hundreds of people out of their homes because MOVE was making his peepee feel small. Not much more to it than that. Pretty much a typical government guy, but in Philadelphia, where they could do whatever the fuck they wanted.

The Philadelphia government of 1985 has gone national.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 03, 2022 02:50 PM (oINRc)

416 That's true. But the owner of the IP address is a starting point as far as litigation goes.

I'll see if I can find where the physical server is. Pretty sure it's in the US.

Posted by: quantum mechanic
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Pixy is based in Aussie land and discussing the particulars of Ace's servers etc. on an open blog is not that advisable to try to prove an internet point. If people care to go back, Ace actually discussed the 230 provision in regards to this blog so he is fully aware of any potential issues. Security by obscurity is often a very successful way to circumvent internet censors.

Posted by: whig at October 03, 2022 02:51 PM (CXr4y)

417 Then the police moved in and things got even worse. Gunshots were exchanged, a standoff went on and on, and eventually they bombed the shit out the neighborhood. BIG BADA BOOM.
Posted by: bonhomme at October 03, 2022 02:40 PM (eyxn4)

I have a book about the incident - the group was ignored and let go for too long, and when the city decided to act all restraint went out the window and many blocks burned to the ground.

One of my favorite songs is "City of Soul" a protest song about that incident by an Australian band The Eurogliders.

Children burn even when the nights are cold / Here in Philadelphia, the city of soul
We all let our hair down when it gets hot above / Cause, nothin' ever happens in the city of love
But mister let me tell ya, that a lot of people die / You can't understand / This is still nineteen eighty-five, (nineteen eighty-fi-ive)

Posted by: Oldcat at October 03, 2022 02:51 PM (eoQWY)

418 Tough business. Prospects were always sagging.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at October 03, 2022 02:45 PM (lf83v)
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Hey! Don't bag on the scrot!

Posted by: Axeman at October 03, 2022 02:51 PM (krQz2)

419 Winston Churchill's Life of Marlborough is a three volume response to a history a hundred years or so old that he thought misrepresented his ancestor.
Posted by: Oldcat at October 03, 2022 02:43 PM (eoQWY)

No. This isn't like a call and response. It's like make goofy faces, or pause and shout "can you believe this shit?!"

It's the worst.

Posted by: blaster at October 03, 2022 02:51 PM (pwExq)

420 Chris Taylor, good find. And jeebus.

Absolute nonsense weaponized by stupid int'l NGO drones and the totalitarian airheads of Gulag.

Nobody "owns" science, obviously, and the "science" these idiots are using to impoverish and control humanity is garbage. An outlandish hypothesis that can't being to explain known earth history, for starters.

As I say and will keep pointing out, demolishing the feasibility of, or the dire human and social and even "environmental" consequences of, the idea of actually replacing real energy sources with "alternative" ones, is a disastrous mistake - if it is the main focus. Destroying this absurd lysenkoist pseudo-science must be the priority - otherwise, the decrement to opportunity, prosperity, and freedom will never end, its extent will just be determined by which side is winning the "feasibility" wars at the moment.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 03, 2022 02:52 PM (OTzUX)

421 "Started the fad of wearing unconstructed linen sport coats with pastel t-shirts. And Topsiders."

had a couple of those jackets back then, one has survived to this very day.
pastel t-shirts and topsiders not so much.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - we are being gaslighted 24/365 at October 03, 2022 02:53 PM (8oyo2)

422 If you use the words "platform" or "publisher" in any discussion of s.230, you forfeit the right to be taken seriously on any issue about regulating the Internet. It's a clear sign you either haven't read s.230 at all or don't understand what it says.

You want to argue that with all the CIA funding that Big Social aren't private orgs and are bound by the First Amendment you've a got a slightly better chance than zero of making that work. Not much better, but not zero, which is the chance you have of getting S.230 overturned.

Posted by: Daniel Ream at October 03, 2022 02:55 PM (TMX68)

423 Miami Vice, Season 2:

The black partner goes undercover to catch Sonny, who they suspect is in league with the drug dealer, but the black partner falls in love with Sonny's gorgeous alligator.

The DEA Chief glares at the black partner and tells him to do his job. The Hispanic captain says "Don't worry, black partner, I will get he DEA off your back."

There is a shoot out and the police accidentally kill the alligator. They arrest the black partner.

Sonny (who wasn't in the show much because Don Johnson wanted to renegotiate his contract with the network) sullenly goes back to his yacht, thinking about his dead ex-girlfriend from last season and dead alligator from the new season and listens to Prince or Sting.

The end.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at October 03, 2022 02:56 PM (lf83v)

424 Based on pings from various locations, the server is likely also in Utah.

Posted by: quantum mechanic at October 03, 2022 02:59 PM (g1EEm)

425 Pixy is based in Aussie land and discussing the particulars of Ace's servers etc. on an open blog is not that advisable to try to prove an internet point. If people care to go back, Ace actually discussed the 230 provision in regards to this blog so he is fully aware of any potential issues. Security by obscurity is often a very successful way to circumvent internet censors.
Posted by: whig

Pixy being located in Australia is really not relevant. Anyone relying on the obscurity of the information I posted to provide security is a fool: it's not obscure at all - it's available through standard commandline and online tools.

Posted by: quantum mechanic at October 03, 2022 03:04 PM (g1EEm)

426 No. This isn't like a call and response. It's like make goofy faces, or pause and shout "can you believe this shit?!"

It's the worst.
Posted by: blaster at October 03, 2022 02:51 PM (pwExq)

But all reaction posts aren't that way, is all I am saying.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 03, 2022 03:06 PM (eoQWY)

427 big takeaway from the incident - no matter how bad things get, don't bomb your own city. It just ain't gonna work out like you want it to.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 03, 2022 02:42 PM (trdmm)

Especially if they are connected row houses. Double especially if you use many pounds of C4 to bomb it.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 03, 2022 03:18 PM (eoQWY)

428 They rebooted Quantum Leap, and they introduced a "non-binary" character played by a "non-binary" actor.

What the hell is non-binary anyway? They reject the extreme stereotypes of both sexes, right? So just a normal guy or girl, but DIFFERENT somehow.
Posted by: bonhomme at October 03, 2022 02:12 PM (eyxn4)

Its just a way for a white liberal who doesn't want to be gay to remain on top of the totem pole of power.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 03, 2022 03:21 PM (eoQWY)

429 NOOD

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 03, 2022 05:06 PM (ppBhU)

430 When are we going to end SCOTUS. The founders never intended SCOTUS to be an equal branch of government and now 5 of these unelected mutuants rule the nation.

Posted by: A. Landmesser at October 03, 2022 09:01 PM (EcD5Y)

431 I am making $92/hour telecommuting. I never imagined that it was honest to goodness yet my closest companion is earning $21 thousand a month by working on the connection, that was truly astounding for me, she prescribed me to attempt it simply.
Everybody must try this job now by just using this website.. www.Profit97.com

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