Gun Thread: October 2nd Edition!

The only good pumpkin is a pumpkin pie!

Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

Ho-Lee-Krap people! Less than three weeks to the TXMoMe! Pretty soon I'll be pointing the Ol' WeaselMobile south and hitting the road. This is really the highlight of my year, and I cannot wait to get there and see all of you people again. I'm all tingly!

Q: Weasel, are you all tingly?
A: Yep! Currently reading an 8 on the Tinglometer!

Tingliness aside, Florida and parts of the Carolinas really got bitch-slapped by Hurricane Ian this past week. As I write this, the remnants are expected to stall pretty much on top of WeaselAcres in Central Virginia and then head back out to the south. Yesterday the local forecast was for, well, a lot of wind and rain, but as of now that mostly has not materialized according to my little remote weather station. If you were in the path of Ian as it came ashore in Florida, I really hope you're safe. The property damage appears nothing short of catastrophic, but stuff can be replaced. You cannot.

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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Guns of the Horde
Our pal and excellent food cooker and shooter CBD takes a new Sig to the range!

I have very little experience with compact and sub-compact and micro-compact guns, mostly because they are designed for concealed carry, and because I don't live in a free state I have been unable to exercise my rights. But with NYSRPA v. Bruen that has changed, as New Jersey is grudgingly giving carry permits without the offensive requirement that one demonstrates "need."
My primary carry pistol will be a 1911 with a 4" barrel, but I would also like something small I can carry in my pocket or a messenger bag ( ). So off to the gun store I went, and after much agonizing chose a dandy little Sig Sauer P365 in 9mm. And boy, it sure is small. With the extended mag base, I can get my little finger on the pistol, but with standard magazines my grip is with two fingers, which is weird after years shooting full-sized handguns. And of course the damned thing weighs next to nothing (18 ounces), since it is a polymer frame. And that concerned me, since most of my pistols are nice and heavy and it's easy to manage the recoil. And even the light polymer-frame pistols have plenty of grip area to spread out the recoil impulse.

But after one magazine of 115 grain FMJ (next time I'll see how it behaves with hollow points) I realized that with a well-designed pistol it doesn't matter! That first target was my first mag fired at eight yards, and the only thing I noticed was that I felt the recoil on my trigger finger, which made no sense to me. The pistol barely moved, and the snap that I anticipated simply didn't appear. And how it can be accurate with such a short barrel is another mystery, but a welcome one. The sights are easy to acquire and the pistol points naturally, so that must be part of it. The next target was my attempt at shooting faster, and clearly I am pushing the trigger (I shoot left-handed). But the pistol is controllable even when shooting fast and, I have to admit, sort of fun!

I fired another 30 or 40 rounds, and then finished with some attempts at steel targets at 25 yards. Not nearly as successful, but I managed to hit a few, which was immensely satisfying. I'll have to put in a lot more practice before I am comfortable carrying this pistol, but the first indications are positive...no malfunctions of any kind, it's comfortable, the controls are intuitive (although small), and most of all I found the sights very easy to see with my old eyes! Oh, it is also easy to field strip for cleaning, which is a nice little bonus.

Looks like you have it figured out! Well done, CBD! [Get it? well done hahahahahaha! I crack myself up.]

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Next up, our pal Colonel Travis gives us a preview of the Uberti 1847 Colt Walker we'll see in Texas!

col t 1 100222 Uberti Colt Walker scaled.jpg

Attached is a photo of my new, unfired Uberti 1847 Colt Walker. Wanted to show it on the gun thread because I'm bringing it to the MoMe in hopes of finding some black powder people to help me not blow it up in my face. Have all my supplies, some guidance would be nice.
I have a replica 1860 Army conversion that fires 45 Colt cartridges. With 19th century pistols, that's what I'm used to. Always knew the Walker was large but couldn't remember how large until I opened the box. "Holy hell," I said.
Looking forward to meeting you and everyone else next month.

Wow! That is a real beauty! Thank you for sharing it with us and look forward to seeing you in Texas, Colonel Travis!

Here is a short video from the Uberti website with the history of the handgun.

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Dr. Fred ain't messing around.

A recent score from New England. A genuine swivel gun off of an early 19th century sailing ship. Notice the two touch holes for reliable ignition when it absolutely positively has to go boom.

Holy Shitballs! A cannon! Very cool, Dr. Fred. Any plans for warning shots over the neighbor's fence?

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Next up we have not one, but two guns in a single range report from our pal scampydog

scampydog 1 100222 walther pk380 scaled.jpg

I'm mostly into old lever guns but have been meaning to get out and shoot a couple of others. Wife and I got up to the property (God's Country) on a beautiful day. After wrestling with the tractor/PTO/brush hog (wife wouldn't get off the tractor once up and running) and screwing around on the Cam Am, we settled in for some target practice.

She is new to shooting and we've gone through a variety of semi-autos to find something to her likening, which adds to my collection when she doesn't like them and landed on the Walther PK380. She loves how easy the slide is to operate. We haven't yet turned on the laser, she wants to improve without it, then test it out using the red zappy light. Gotta love this gal! First pic is her first round today (only her fourth time shooting any type of pistol), pretty darned good. 6 out of 8 on paper. We're calling the one low/right on paper and laughing about the van Gogh shot. She improved as the shooting went along and burned through 100 rounds.

Next is an Auto ordnance model 1927 A1 semi auto. Been sitting behind a lock for quite a while. Decided today was the day for its debut (brand new, fresh out of case, never been fired). It shot incredibly smooth & accurate. I went through one stick, leaving the drum for another day. Shot a few warm ups before moving over to the silhouette target. 20 yds. Couldn't be more pleased.

Howdy and welcome to the Gun Thread! Nicely done scampydog and Mrs. scampydog!

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Flying, Guns, and You

Our pal GWB sends an article with tips and hints for flying with firearms from Guns.com.

The article is focused primarily on international air travel, but I think it has some good tips and hints - not all of which have already been addressed in previous pre-TxMoMe bits on the Gun Thread. I like the "get gun socks" advice, as a way of providing an extra layer of niceness for your weapons.

With the Horde preparing to descend like locusts on Corsicana, the article is very timely. Thanks GWB!

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19 Days!

The countdown to the TXMoMe continues! That's right, boys and girls, the TXMoMe is a mere 19 days from today, and by now you should be rushing your MoMe attendance plans to completion. There are lots of big doin's in the works and your hosts Rancher Bob, Cow Horse Queen and Ben Had are ready to welcome YOU to the festivities! Have you signed up? Are you on the exclusive guest list, or are you one of the mentally defective people who always finds a reason to make it next year?

PRO TIP: Word has it there may be some, well let's just call them "exotic" weapons, available to shoot in Texas. I don't want to go into a bunch of specifics, but if you like shooting at a high cyclic rate, plan on bringing a box of brass case 9mm ball ammo (example) with you to Texas. Please, NO reloads!

Q: Weasel, what the heck is a "high cyclic rate"?
A: Well, it's faster than a low cyclic rate such as that found on semi-automatic weapons.

Q: Weasel, why do I want to do that?
A: Because it is mucho fun-o, and an opportunity that many of you might not have often.

As long as we're on the subject, if you aren't planning to bring a firearm and ammo, but plan on shooting, please pick up a box or two of ammo in the caliber you like and bring it to Texas. Each year we have lots and lots of guns, and even more shooters, and it's nice have the cost and effort needed to source the ammunition spread around a bit. We want to make the shooting available to as many as possible, and cover those who want to shoot but for whatever reason cannot bring ammo, so every little bit helps. Thank you!

Holy Shitballs, people. Have I not implored and cajoled you enough? Do you require additional imploring and cajoling? I challenge you to find a single person who has attended a TXMoMe and not found it to be a life altering experience. Life altering for the good even! So please quit screwing around and making up reasons not to commit and start planning on getting your ass to Texas in October!

You will see this material again, so for heaven's sake, so do yourself a favor and email Ben Had for details!

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Schedule O' TXMoMe Doin's

This seems like a good time to talk a little bit about the upcoming shooting program at the TXMoMe. What started years ago as an informal plinking session lasting a couple of hours has matured into a full program of shooting activities over two days. I have to thank Ben Had, Cow Horse Queen and RancherBob for allowing the shooting to comprise such a significant portion of the TXMoMe.

For a while I have been conducting a Rifle Clinic on Friday morning followed by range time Friday afternoon and then again well into Saturday. We have also been steadily refining the handgun portion of the program to now include an IDPA-esque move-and-shoot pistol course designed and run by Ben Had and Nurse R, as well as the usual static pistol range for those who prefer that.

Anyhoo, here's a very rough outline of the schedule of events. Times are tentative and subject to modification/change.

Friday, 10/21
Rifle Program
8am - 10:30am: Rifle Clinic (carport)
11:30am - 1pm: Rifle Clinic, Intro to Wind Estimation (rifle range)
1pm - 4pm: Live fire (rifle range)

Handgun Program
10:30am - Noon: Handgun Clinic (carport)
1pm - 2:30pm: Static live fire (pistol range)
2:30 - 4pm: Briefing and Move & Shoot live fire (pistol range)

Saturday, 10/22
Rifle Program
8:30am - 1pm: Live fire (rifle range)

Handgun Program
9am - 1pm: Live fire (pistol range)

Again, these times are approximate and may change as weather conditions and participation warrant. I have been doing the same presentation on rifles for a number of years now, so if you would like me to cover new or different material, just mention it in the comments or send me an email!

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More on Ammo for Texas
Let's talk a little more about bringing ammunition to the TXMoMe. The options are buy it at home and ship it UPS, buy it at home and ship it in your airline checked baggage, or just buy it once you get to Texas.

Let's begin with the easiest, first. Texas is awash in shooting and outdoor stores, and you really shouldn't have any trouble using this option. There are a lot of sporting goods stores on the south side of Dallas and in the towns all the way down I-45 to Corsicana. A quick internet search should return several options, and you might want to identify a couple before you leave home. Next, there is a store in Corsicana, Brinson PowerSports, that has a generally reliable stock of major calibers, although ammo is not listed on their website. I'd suggest calling first and asking if they have what you're looking for. The physical address and phone number is:

Brinson PowerSports
1931 Martin Luther King Blvd.
Corsicana, TX 75110
903-229-4330

Honestly, sourcing ammo locally seems like the most logical choice to me, but for those of you with special needs, it's pretty easy to fly with ammunition in your checked baggage. Here I am speaking in very general terms and it is incumbent upon YOU to check in advance with your airline, confirm the requirements, and comply with them.

Southwest Airlines is a popular option into the Dallas area, and I have found them to be gun friendly as far as these things go. Here is what I found on the Southwest Airlines Special Baggage webpage:

Packing Ammunition
Small arms ammunition for personal use (provided it is properly packed) is permissible in checked baggage only.
The ammunition may be placed in the same container as the firearm and must be securely packed in cardboard (fiber), wood, or metal boxes, or other packaging specifically designed to carry small amounts of ammunition.
Ammunition Limits
When checking ammunition, Customers are limited to 11 pounds (ammunition plus container) per person. Gunpowder (black powder) and primers or percussion caps are not allowed in checked or carryon baggage.
Loose ammunition or loose loaded magazines and/or clips are not allowed. Paintballs must be packaged in a leak-proof container and will be subject to limited release.

So my read is that ammunition in its original cardboard container is all you need, and it does not have to be locked inside another container inside your bag as required for a firearm, and you are allowed up to 11 pounds carried in this fashion. Although the instructions are silent on declaring the ammunition to airline personnel, again as you must do when transporting a firearm, I think it's probably a good idea to do so. You may or may not be allowed to check your baggage curbside when traveling with ammunition, so be prepared for a little extra time at the counter. Again, this is my interpretation and as we all know I am mostly full of shit, so check for yourselves.

Every airline has a section like this on their website, usually found in the baggage section, and you may have to dig around a little to find it. I also recommend printing your specific airline's policy and bringing it with you on the trip, just in case you need to help the ticket agent understand how to do their job. I will say in all the years of flying all over the country to matches, I have never once had any problem with airline personnel and their rules and have always found them well informed and helpful.

Finally, if you are really a special needs shooter, our bestest buddy and pal and host RancherBob has offered to allow people to ship their ammunition to the ranch. I would recommend this only in very unique circumstances where very specific ammunition is required and neither of the other, simpler options will work. If this is you, then contact me for details. I have shipped ammunition via UPS in the past and it works, but there are strict packaging and labeling requirements and also necessitates you visit an actual UPS location rather than a retail shipping store. Also remember, you cannot ship ammunition via USPS.

Questions? Just ask!

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Musical Interlude
Carlos! House of Blues 2016.

Q: Weasel, Mr. Santana is certainly talented, but is Zamfir truly the master of the Pan flute?
A: You decide!

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Gun Basics 101
Nothing new from the She Equips Herself gal, so into the archives we go.

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Cigar of the Week

Tonight's cigar is a Romeo y Julieta Media Noche, a medium-strong Dominican. Very well constructed, but at around $10 each, I usually save these for a special occasion!

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Here is a weekly top 5 list from Cigar Vixen.

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Here are some different online cigar vendors. You will find they not only carry different brands and different lines from those brands, but also varying selections of vitolas (sizes/shapes) of given lines. It's good to have options, especially if you're looking for a specific cigar.

Cigarsinternational.com
Cigarpage.com
Famous-smoke.com
Cigarsdaily.com
Neptunecigar.com
Smallbatchcigar.com
Bobalu Cigar Company

A note about sources. The brick & mortar/online divide exists with cigars, as with guns, and most consumer products, with respect to price. As with guns - since both are "persecuted industries", basically - I make a conscious effort to source at least some of my cigars from my local store(s). It's a small thing, but the brick & mortar segment for both guns and tobacco are precious, and worth supporting where you can. And if you're lucky enough to have a good cigar store/lounge available, they're often a good social event with many dangerous people of the sort who own scary gunz, or read smart military blogs like this one.

Anyone have others to include? Perhaps a small local roller who makes a cigar you like? Send me your recommendation and a link to the site!

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Link-O-Rama

I'm really very seriously not kidding around anymore. Buy Ammo
AmmoSeek - online ammo search tool
GunBot - online ammo search tool
SG Ammo
Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA
Bud's Gun Shop

***Mail Bag***

This week's mailbag entry is from our pal WTM Good one!

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM

Comments

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1 bang

Posted by: BifBewalski at October 02, 2022 07:00 PM (3CCua)

2 BLAM BLAM BLAM!

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 02, 2022 07:00 PM (U2p+3)

3 Yay

Posted by: Eromero at October 02, 2022 07:00 PM (0OP+5)

4 Hi all

Posted by: Ciampino - all those with 'investments' in Uke should go even if old at October 02, 2022 07:00 PM (qfLjt)

5 KaBlammo!

Posted by: Skip at October 02, 2022 07:01 PM (xhxe8)

6 evening, Weasel. i'll go let them know

Posted by: BifBewalski at October 02, 2022 07:01 PM (3CCua)

7 hiya

Posted by: JT at October 02, 2022 07:01 PM (T4tVD)

8 A .22 would be better for Pumpkin hunting, saves the meat more.

Posted by: Skip at October 02, 2022 07:02 PM (xhxe8)

9 I want that swivel gun!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 02, 2022 07:04 PM (XIJ/X)

10 Hola! Horde! I am dry and am hydrating uhmm, sorta with a Pendleton and soda after having gotten a good start on beginning my escape for VA. I'm early, but it's just me and that stuff ain't gonna pack itself. Now to read the content BRB

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at October 02, 2022 07:05 PM (YbEGd)

11 Is there a kids program at the MoMe? Like baby's first full auto?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Christian Nationalist, Defiant! at October 02, 2022 07:05 PM (VtqbX)

12 I got a P365 without the safety and it fell in the river. I got another one with the safety and I felt more comfortable carrying it, but it fell in the river too.

Posted by: fd at October 02, 2022 07:05 PM (sn5EN)

13 Hello Weasel! Since October 5th marks the 60th anniversary of the premiere of James Bond in the movies, would you have any interest in seeing some of the guns closely associated w/ the 007 series?

Posted by: Ed L at October 02, 2022 07:05 PM (/lmRp)

14 Good evening gub threaders and all the ships at sea!

I was talking to the lovely and gracious sra blaster about the acquisition of a suppressor, and she asks "is that what you want for Christmas?" and I said I was thinking of getting it for her for Christmas.

She said that it was not necessary to get her a firearm related item for each special occasion.

So, yeah, umm, limits....

Posted by: blaster at October 02, 2022 07:06 PM (pwExq)

15 Hmmm, should we add a pumpkin carving "contest" inspired by the top photo to the TXMoMe? Probably too messy, but something new to add to my bucket list...

Posted by: Iris at October 02, 2022 07:06 PM (foa6+)

16 Thanks, Bif, and howdy y'all!

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 07:06 PM (0IeYL)

17 Thanks for the thread, weasel!

Good shooting with the tiny gun, CBD. Since it's so small, were you shooting one handed, or two?

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 02, 2022 07:07 PM (U2p+3)

18 Wish I could go to Texas.

Posted by: Skip at October 02, 2022 07:07 PM (xhxe8)

19 Howdy

Posted by: Gref at October 02, 2022 07:07 PM (AMIL/)

20 I got a 9mm bore sight for my new Flux and used it fix the red dot sighting. Crazy accurate now.

Going to be in Oregon next weekend, so it will be a couple weeks until I can take it back to the range. Also had a nice package with 1000 rounds of 9mm delivered.

Oh, and OT - Oz is winning in PA now.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 02, 2022 07:08 PM (5p7BC)

21 CBD the P365 is a good carry gun sra blaster has one of course. Shoots way better than a tiny little gun has a right to, for certain. THOUGH I might commend to you the P365XL (full disclosure what I carry) which has a little extra real estate for man-sized hands at little expense to concealability.

Posted by: blaster at October 02, 2022 07:08 PM (pwExq)

22 Oh shit! It’s October already.

Posted by: Rancherbob at October 02, 2022 07:08 PM (gtu9W)

23 Posted by: Iris at October 02, 2022 07:06 PM (foa6+)
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Hmmmmm...

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 07:09 PM (0IeYL)

24 Since it's so small, were you shooting one handed, or two?

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 02, 2022 07:07 PM (U2p+3)

I tried both, but those first targets were two handed.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 02, 2022 07:09 PM (XIJ/X)

25 Posted by: Rancherbob at October 02, 2022 07:08 PM (gtu9W)
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Head for the hills!

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 07:10 PM (0IeYL)

26 Gun Thread! Yay!

Posted by: GWB at October 02, 2022 07:10 PM (PRY+J)

27
g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at October 02, 2022 07:11 PM (ENBF0)

28 Posted by: Ed L at October 02, 2022 07:05 PM (/lmRp)
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Sure!

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 07:12 PM (0IeYL)

29 Oh, and OT - Oz is winning in PA now.
Posted by: Dave in Fla

Great. But the PA GOP is actively sabotaging Mastriano to "punish him" for his election denialism.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Christian Nationalist, Defiant! at October 02, 2022 07:12 PM (VtqbX)

30 Rancherbob, Soon!!!

Posted by: Ben Had at October 02, 2022 07:12 PM (EE7s+)

31 DMV MGC had a bit off schedule this latest as we ended up shooting on a Saturday. It was run what you brung day, not much of the let's try something new out but more of the practice with what you have.

Except of course Ed L. brought out a Colt SAA (1951? manufacture) in .45 LC. It was an eye opening experience. It was shootable but apparently it earned its name as "thumb buster." Makes me think all those Hollywood Westerns might have been not terribly technically accurate....

Posted by: blaster at October 02, 2022 07:12 PM (pwExq)

32 Weasel did you see my email about the dessicate? I've got 50lbs or so in 22 oz bags I'm trying to give away.

Posted by: fd at October 02, 2022 07:13 PM (sn5EN)

33 Posted by: Iris at October 02, 2022 07:06 PM (foa6+)

Carving using a tool with a "fun" switch is LOTS of fun, but always messy (and expensive). If neatness (and economy) is a must, you've got to use single shots.

Posted by: Ed L at October 02, 2022 07:13 PM (/lmRp)

34 Got some bad news this week. Eye surgeon said not to expect any better than 20/80 in my right eye. My rifle shooting days are in the past.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 02, 2022 07:13 PM (u73oe)

35 in fairness, in defense of cbd, the target in the first photo is obviously misaligned the misses are not his fault

Posted by: confederatefifth at October 02, 2022 07:13 PM (BRtdF)

36 Present.

Posted by: RI Red at October 02, 2022 07:13 PM (0I07e)

37 FROM VA Which is why I will not be attending the festivities in Corsicana. Not enough time to finish work projects, MY projects, have Giggles fly out to help me move AND take two weeks there and back again. Oh well, at least you won't have to listen to my atrocious puns

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at October 02, 2022 07:14 PM (YbEGd)

38 Posted by: fd at October 02, 2022 07:13 PM (sn5EN)
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Got it, but didn't have a chance to really go through my email this weekend. Will get back to you. Thx.

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 07:14 PM (0IeYL)

39 She said that it was not necessary to get her a firearm related item for each special occasion.

Posted by: blaster at October 02, 2022 07:06 PM (pwExq)

That was very sweet of her to say, but I hope you realize that she was just being polite.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 02, 2022 07:15 PM (XIJ/X)

40 Skip, wish you could come to Texas.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 02, 2022 07:15 PM (EE7s+)

41 Other than the SAA my lane was a Sig-a-palooza. sra blaster's P365, my P365XL, and my P226 with green dot. Stinky's Daddy (a bona fide Moron) took to the P226 like he was born to it.

Posted by: blaster at October 02, 2022 07:15 PM (pwExq)

42 12 I got a P365 without the safety and it fell in the river. I got another one with the safety and I felt more comfortable carrying it, but it fell in the river too.

Posted by: fd at October 02, 2022 07:05 PM (sn5EN)
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When the fish get tired of getting hooked and rise up, it will be an awesome sight, every carp, salmon and trout armed to the teeth with all those firearms salvaged from our canoe accidents.

Posted by: Ciampino -- all those watery accidents at October 02, 2022 07:15 PM (qfLjt)

43 Not going to be able to make it again this year but I have 400 rounds of Federal brass case 9mm I can donate if anyone from back east can swing by my place in NE Texas on their way to the mome. I live about 2 hours away.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 02, 2022 07:16 PM (bVYXr)

44 *looks at calendar*

Soon....

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 02, 2022 07:16 PM (Wnv9h)

45 I can see why she doesn't use a shoulder holster.

Posted by: andycanuck at October 02, 2022 07:16 PM (yikp0)

46 which model sig is cbd using?

Posted by: confederatefifth at October 02, 2022 07:16 PM (BRtdF)

47 "Notice the two touch holes for reliable ignition when it absolutely positively has to go boom."

I have a question (or a series)...
Do you put fuses in the touch holes? Or do you just hope a few sparks drop down in there?
If fuses, and the fuses burn at different rates and one isn't done when the gun goes BOOM, does it make the other fuse fly out of its touch hole, still burning? That would seem to one-up Sharon's problem with hot brass.

Posted by: GWB at October 02, 2022 07:17 PM (W0i8D)

48 BTW, I understand that Cuba's tobacco crop was badly hit by Ian so maybe stock up now on Cuban or non-Cuban cigars.

Posted by: andycanuck at October 02, 2022 07:17 PM (yikp0)

49 my new, unfired Uberti 1847 Colt Walker. Wanted to show it on the gun thread because I'm bringing it to the MoMe in hopes of finding some black powder people to help me not blow it up in my face. Have all my supplies, some guidance would be nice.

I'll be there Saturday, and would be happy to help you. The Uberti is probably the best replica on the market.

What size lead balls do you have? Powder flask w/a spout? Caps and a nipple wrench? Some grease to fill the chambers with after loading? (Crisco will work, but there are various 'butters' out there that are better?

Most importantly, what will be needed to clean it afterwards, especially if you're shooting real black powder? BP is very hydroscopic, and will corrode your gun WAY faster than you think. Even the modern black powder substitutes need to be cleaned (although you have a shot at waiting a day or two (not recommended)).

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 02, 2022 07:18 PM (a3Q+t)

50 "Notice the two touch holes for reliable ignition when it absolutely positively has to go boom."

in fairness, does everything have to be about sex here?

Posted by: confederatefifth at October 02, 2022 07:18 PM (BRtdF)

51 Carving using a tool with a "fun" switch is LOTS of fun, but always messy (and expensive). If neatness (and economy) is a must, you've got to use single shots.

Posted by: Ed L at October 02, 2022 07:13 PM (/lmRp)

Some things are just worth doing! :-)

Posted by: Iris at October 02, 2022 07:19 PM (foa6+)

52 Posted by: blaster at October 02, 2022 07:12 PM (pwExq)

That Colt SAA dates from 1956, the first year Colt brought back the SAA after WWII. I understand that most of the gunfighters had their Colts worked on by a gunsmith to make thumbing the hammer a lot smoother and easier in the heat of the moment. Some of famous ones (Bat Masterson) even had theirs custom tuned by Colt prior to delivery. .45 Long Colt in the cowboy load is a relatively mild round to shoot compared to modern rounds like .357 Magnum.

Posted by: Ed L at October 02, 2022 07:20 PM (/lmRp)

53 sharon(willow's apprentice) had her Aegis and Glocks, and Iris her Buckmaster. Hrothgar was there, too. He has a plan to wrestle his Accursed Glock to the ground.

Posted by: blaster at October 02, 2022 07:20 PM (pwExq)

54 in fairness, does everything have to be about sex here?
Posted by: confederatefifth at October 02, 2022 07:18 PM

Are you new here?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 02, 2022 07:20 PM (a3Q+t)

55 confederatefifth - You didn't notice that Duncanthrax is asking about nipple wrenches?

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at October 02, 2022 07:20 PM (YbEGd)

56 Weasel thanks!

Posted by: Colonel Travis at October 02, 2022 07:20 PM (IrKoQ)

57 You didn't notice that Duncanthrax is asking about nipple wrenches?

McGyver, over
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Posted by: confederatefifth at October 02, 2022 07:21 PM (BRtdF)

58 Weasel! Horde! Am I the only one who would be interested in a handgun cleaning demo/class at a MoMe? (I especially need to learn how to clean revolvers.) Yes I know I can watch teh youtoobz but I am so mechanically inept, I really need someone looking over my shoulder to moron-splain it to me. I have plenty of cleaning supplies to bring. Please feel free to tell me this is a stupid idea!

Also, should I bring the .460 to Texas? Would anyone shoot it? I know I've got some ammo, not sure how much. I doubt anyone would want to put more than a few rounds through it though...

Posted by: screaming in digital at October 02, 2022 07:21 PM (pkAcY)

59 in fairness, does everything have to be about sex here?
Posted by: confederatefifth at October 02, 2022 07:18 PM

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Posted by: confederatefifth at October 02, 2022 07:22 PM (BRtdF)

60 Sighted in the slug gun today. Not the most fun of range trips, but far better than patterning a turkey gun.

Posted by: PacosMojo at October 02, 2022 07:22 PM (rQwW1)

61 Next time I go to the range I'm going to do the CBD drill. See who can get closest to the red bullseye without hitting it. 😃

Posted by: polynikes at October 02, 2022 07:22 PM (9MoRr)

62 Posted by: screaming in digital at October 02, 2022 07:21 PM (pkAcY)
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We can absolutely work that in!!!! Thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 07:22 PM (0IeYL)

63 49
Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 02, 2022 07:18 PM (a3Q+t)
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That's hyGroscopic.

Posted by: Ciampino -- the pedantic chemist at October 02, 2022 07:22 PM (qfLjt)

64 There's an article at Cigar Afficionado about the Cuban hurricane damage, haven't read it yet, but sounds pretty bad. Wouldn't think it would affect "new world"* cigars, actually. Two different if parallel and slightly overlapping markets. Cubans mostly go to Europe.

* oddly enough, the term "new world" is used by many to designate cigars from outside Cuba, much as "new world" wine is wine other than from Europe, whether it be NZ, Chile, or the US

Posted by: rhomboid at October 02, 2022 07:24 PM (OTzUX)

65 Maybe someday I will make it to Tx.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Christian Nationalist, Defiant! at October 02, 2022 07:24 PM (VtqbX)

66 (Crisco will work, but there are various 'butters' out there that are better?)
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It's not nice to fool Mother Nature!!!

Posted by: andycanuck at October 02, 2022 07:25 PM (yikp0)

67 Duke, my brother is left-handed but his left eye sucks so he shoots right-handed. He shoots better than I do and I shoot a lot more!! LOL

Posted by: ck at October 02, 2022 07:25 PM (NSvQe)

68 I want that swivel gun!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 02, 2022 07:04 PM (XIJ/X)

While I concur, I think the only proper response to that is Come And Take It!

Posted by: GWB at October 02, 2022 07:25 PM (W0i8D)

69 Getting psyched for the MoMe. Anyone bringing the Sig 365 XL with the 17 rd magazine? I'd like to give that one a try.

Posted by: RI Red at October 02, 2022 07:25 PM (0I07e)

70 I haven't read the story on Cubans in CA, but that must've been pre-Ian, right?

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 07:25 PM (0IeYL)

71 MoMe PSA, if you let me know you are coming but have not received directions to the ranch please let me know. I will fix that soonest.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 02, 2022 07:25 PM (EE7s+)

72 CBD, if your Sig doesn't already have it you might consider a SRT upgrade.
Made fast follow ups much easier and accurate for me.

Posted by: Inogame at October 02, 2022 07:26 PM (D/9Qo)

73 Maybe someday I will make it to Tx.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Christian Nationalist, Defiant! at October 02, 2022 07:24 PM

I live 2 and 1/2 hours away from the Texas mome and haven't made it there in three years. It never seems to work out for me.

Maybe next year.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 02, 2022 07:27 PM (bVYXr)

74 Good Sunday evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and thanks yet again for the smorgasbord of content to our host, Weasel.

No range report, but doing a lot of prep work for a full-weekend "Street Encounters" course next weekend with John Murphy, about which I hope to have much more to say after it concludes.

Now off to dig further into the nipple wrenches and Crisco ...

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at October 02, 2022 07:27 PM (pSDhy)

75
Oh, and OT - Oz is winning in PA now.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 02, 2022 07:08 PM

I hit YouTube for music a lot and the Oz ads attacking Cousin Festerman are devastating. I mean first ad to appear, short cycle, no chance to opt out of seeing.

Someone knows what they're doing.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 02, 2022 07:27 PM (y3pKJ)

76 So, yeah, umm, limits....
Posted by: blaster at October 02, 2022 07:06 PM (pwExq)

Has she figured you out? Heh.

Posted by: GWB at October 02, 2022 07:27 PM (W0i8D)

77 Weasel no it was Ian. "Apocalyptic storm destroys tobacco infrastructure"

Posted by: rhomboid at October 02, 2022 07:27 PM (OTzUX)

78 Howdy, S'puppy!

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 07:28 PM (0IeYL)

79 We can absolutely work that in!!!! Thank you!
Posted by: Weasel
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Excellent! Thank you! Off to update my packing list, brb.

Posted by: screaming in digital at October 02, 2022 07:28 PM (pkAcY)

80 Any y'all got 'wish to shoot' item in mind? If so you need to make known most soonest, so we can scrounge one up if available. No 105s or or Karl Gustavs.

Posted by: Eromero at October 02, 2022 07:28 PM (0OP+5)

81 Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 02, 2022 07:27 PM (bVYXr)

Same story for me here in Houston.

Posted by: polynikes at October 02, 2022 07:29 PM (9MoRr)

82 73 Maybe someday I will make it to Tx.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Christian Nationalist, Defiant! at October 02, 2022 07:24 PM

I live 2 and 1/2 hours away from the Texas mome and haven't made it there in three years. It never seems to work out for me.

Maybe next year.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 02, 2022 07:27 PM (bVYXr)

Trust me, if you can, go, as I did last year for the first time. They are super-nice to newbies, and the barrel is really roomier than it looks.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at October 02, 2022 07:29 PM (pSDhy)

83 Duncanthrax I've got triple 7, it was impossible to find real black powder a few months ago. It may be back in stock now somewhere I haven't looked

. 457 lead, no grease I have some greased wads. Got all the other items on your list

Posted by: Colonel Travis at October 02, 2022 07:29 PM (IrKoQ)

84 CBD I carry a P365XL and it is the bomb-diggity.

Easy breakdown (standard SIG) and way morr accurate than it should be. But my hands favor SIGs over Glocks so YMMV.

Enjoy the new gun amd your freedom!

Posted by: Pilot141 at October 02, 2022 07:29 PM (JlOBj)

85 Weasel would you say that Media Noche would probably be OK for people preferring the solid medium category, but able to enjoy medium+?

Posted by: rhomboid at October 02, 2022 07:29 PM (OTzUX)

86 Still want a Colt Dragoon or Walker but definitely in .44. Should just order it and be done.

Posted by: Skip at October 02, 2022 07:29 PM (xhxe8)

87 77 Weasel no it was Ian. "Apocalyptic storm destroys tobacco infrastructure"
Posted by: rhomboid at October 02, 2022 07:27 PM (OTzUX)
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Really? I'd have bet a nickel the print copy was delivered before. So much for my memory!

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 07:30 PM (0IeYL)

88 69 Getting psyched for the MoMe. Anyone bringing the Sig 365 XL with the 17 rd magazine? I'd like to give that one a try.
Posted by: RI Red at October 02, 2022 07:25 PM (0I07e)

Yes but with 15 rd mag. I don't think they make a 17.

Posted by: blaster at October 02, 2022 07:30 PM (pwExq)

89 Guns!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at October 02, 2022 07:31 PM (xcxpd)

90 Weasel would you say that Media Noche would probably be OK for people preferring the solid medium category, but able to enjoy medium+?
Posted by: rhomboid at October 02, 2022 07:29 PM (OTzUX)
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I would think so, but you might pick up a single or two as a test!

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 07:31 PM (0IeYL)

91 I mentioned here a week or two ago about buying a Ruger LCP from my friends pawnshop. It was in need of just a thorough scrubbing and carding off a coating of rust on the left of the slide. No pitting, and a little cold blue blended things in nicely. Initial test firing produced no FTF/FTE. This week, I took it out for left hand only firing, figuring it will make a nice quick run to the store gun and I use a cane in my right hand. After about 70 rounds, left hand said "no mas". This is the second LCP I've had and the recoil seems consistent, as in not fun. Still, no FTF/FTE.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 02, 2022 07:31 PM (lz5hY)

92 So, for those of you New England Morons...

Introduced a young lady friend to the Kittery Trading Post yesterday. Fun day, generally, but she'd never seen anything like all the shooty stuff on the second floor. Poor kid comes from NJ originally, so not used to freedom. Her reaction to almost everything I picked up was along the lines of "wait...those are legal?!" Eyes were opened that day, my friends.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 02, 2022 07:32 PM (Wnv9h)

93 The weather in Michigan this weekend was about perfect for being outside, so range time was a top priority.

To mix things up, we set up a thrower and wasted piles of shotgun shells trying to hit orange clay disks.

My initial weapon was an Ishapore .410 conversion. Though only a single-shot bolt-action weapon, I did take the sword bayonet of my SMLE, so any clays that landed safely were subsequently given the cold steel.

It was remarkably accurate with the 3" shells, the trick being to use the wings around the front sight post to box in your sight picture.

Weasel has a write-up on this remarkable weapon (now lost in a river, alas) should he choose to use it.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 02, 2022 07:33 PM (llXky)

94 Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 02, 2022 07:32 PM (Wnv9h)
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Weasel hearts KTP.

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 07:33 PM (0IeYL)

95 I'd like to shoot the James Bond pistols
.32 ACP of the Walther PPK
.25 ACP Beretta 418

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 02, 2022 07:33 PM (U2p+3)

96 Can imagine the 45 Colt is easy shootin' in the heavy revolver. In my (very heavy) Uberti Model 1866 repro, it's barely noticeable when you shoot. And I use max load for whatever powder I'm using.

Actually I now have dedicated the 700-X, which I got during the *last* panic years ago and which just didn't please me in 9mm or 45ACP, to the 45 Colt, and the 380ACP, where it's dirty but fine otherwise.

Have thought some day I'd be getting either an Uberti SAA or a Ruger Blackhawk convertible.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 02, 2022 07:33 PM (OTzUX)

97 Oh you learn something new every day especially here!

The 17 rounder is from the Macro.

Posted by: blaster at October 02, 2022 07:33 PM (pwExq)

98 For all of you "maybe next year" folks. I ain't getting any younger ya know!

Posted by: Ben Had at October 02, 2022 07:34 PM (EE7s+)

99 Soooo....
This Tinglometer.
I can't find it on Amazon.
Suggestions?

Posted by: Diogenes at October 02, 2022 07:34 PM (anj39)

100 Howdy, Weasel and Horde! Mighty fine looking Walker Colt, Col Travis!

I want to give big thumbs up to Ed Brown Products customer service. I took advantage of their magazine exchange offer and sent them 3 crappy, jamtastic old GI .45 magazines (and 10 bucks per mag). I figured it would take a couple of weeks to exchange. They received my mags on Monday, and before noon on Wednesday FedEx delivered 3 new stainless steel 8 round mags to my door. Very nice magazines! I think I'll rummage around and find some more mags to exchange. Can't beat the price.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at October 02, 2022 07:34 PM (B0rQx)

101 No 105s or or Karl Gustavs.
Posted by: Eromero at October 02, 2022 07:28 PM

So...155s are a possibility?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 02, 2022 07:34 PM (Wnv9h)

102 Range report and then to read the content:
Went up Sultan-ways to do some outdoor shooting with Lazy Messenger. I was intending to do some one-handed shooting but got distracted. Instead I spent 100 rounds trying to get good (or better) and drawing and hitting with my first round.

I started out pretty good, getting 5/6 or 4/6 hits at 7 ish yards in 1.5 ~ 1.7 seconds. Ok, but I wanted 6/6, so I slowed down and....got less accurate. WTAF???

It was my trigger press. So, next week, going to the range and slowing WAY Down and focusing on accuracy before I try for speed again.

I've also become more convinced that it's wise to get very good with a pistol you like and carry instead of maintaining proficiency with a wide variety of pistols with different forms and functions.

Still....shooting is fun. Drawing and shooting is a lot of fun.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at October 02, 2022 07:34 PM (xcxpd)

103 Getting psyched for the MoMe. Anyone bringing the Sig 365 XL with the 17 rd magazine? I'd like to give that one a try.
Posted by: R

17 is for the 320, but the new hottness is the 30 round for the 320.

Posted by: confederatefifth at October 02, 2022 07:34 PM (BRtdF)

104 Mini Range Report, Weasel - not me, but someone closely related to me. She wants to make sure she does respectably in TX.
So, a couple of .22s and a brace of 9 mms. Not sure what a brace is - $20, or 4 gubs?
She did . . . respectably.

Posted by: RI Red at October 02, 2022 07:35 PM (0I07e)

105 Someone on AoSHQ: A doctor asked someone I know if they had any guns.

Me: If a doctor asked me that I'd tell them to stay in their fucking lane.

(several months later)

Nurse: This place used to be a gun store.

Me: Oh neat I remember that place! They have a bigger location now, north of here.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 02, 2022 07:35 PM (ybIRR)

106 Trust me, if you can, go, as I did last year for the first time. They are super-nice to newbies, and the barrel is really roomier than it looks.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at October 02, 2022 07:29 PM

I would love to go but this year I have back surgery scheduled that Friday and the year before I had the covid and the year before that I had rotator cuff surgery the Tuesday before. Apparently I can't catch a break. Maybe next year.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 02, 2022 07:35 PM (bVYXr)

107 For all of you "maybe next year" folks. I ain't getting any younger ya know!
Posted by: Ben Had at October 02, 2022 07:34 PM

This. I said that, and then said eff that. Going. God willing there will be many more.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 02, 2022 07:36 PM (Wnv9h)

108 98 For all of you "maybe next year" folks. I ain't getting any younger ya know!
Posted by: Ben Had at October 02, 2022 07:34 PM (EE7s+)

You're just getting into the prime of life, ma'am.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at October 02, 2022 07:36 PM (pSDhy)

109 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 02, 2022 07:33 PM (llXky)
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Couldn't recall if that was the one you said not to use. I'll put it into the queue.

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 07:36 PM (0IeYL)

110 Ola,ca va? Mhhhhhh cigars. How we all going?

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at October 02, 2022 07:36 PM (bgJ0E)

111 Col. Travis,
You are going to have a blast (pun intended) with that Colt Walker. The Ruger Old army is a big cap and ball revolver. The Walker is bigger. The Walker weighs just under five pounds, unloaded. Movies aside, there was a reason they were carried on the saddle, not on a belt.

Not sure how familiar you are with cap and ball revolvers, so a few suggestions.
-Use lubed felt wads for 44 caliber between the ball and powder. Makes clean up easier.
-There have been reports for years that the loading lever on the Walker, which is not secured, can come down after a shot and jam the cylinder. That's inconvenient but annoying if it happens. Some regular Walker shooters tie up the lever with string after loading.
-Check what size percussion caps are needed for the Uberti.
-Have fun.

Posted by: JTB at October 02, 2022 07:36 PM (7EjX1)

112 Weasel, thanks, Media Noche added to my (rather lengthy) "to buy" list. I always try singles, try to get them at brick and mortars if possible, before getting more.

Actually just got my 2nd ever box yesterday, Joya de Nicaragua Antano CT (reviewed rightcha here on this sophistimicated cigar blog a while back). That's how much I like them. They're actually rated medium-full, but that's misleading, profile is medium or less, but flavor is strong.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 02, 2022 07:37 PM (OTzUX)

113 Posted by: screaming in digital at October 02, 2022 07:21 PM (pkAcY)

Weasel et al, I would also be interested in a gun cleaning tutorial. It's a struggle to take apart and clean my Beretta 92FS.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at October 02, 2022 07:37 PM (Dc2NZ)

114 Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 02, 2022 07:35 PM (bVYXr)

You just need to skip the month of October. I have to do that with May.

Posted by: polynikes at October 02, 2022 07:37 PM (9MoRr)

115 I would love to go but this year I have back surgery scheduled that Friday and the year before I had the covid and the year before that I had rotator cuff surgery the Tuesday before. Apparently I can't catch a break. Maybe next year.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 02, 2022 07:35 PM (bVYXr)

Ugh. Best wishes for a successful surgery and a rapid recovery. You're off the hook for this year.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at October 02, 2022 07:37 PM (pSDhy)

116
Weasel et al, I would also be interested in a gun cleaning tutorial. It's a struggle to take apart and clean my Beretta 92FS.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at October 02, 2022 07:37 PM (Dc2NZ)
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Ok!!

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 07:38 PM (0IeYL)

117 95 Nurse, a little useless Beretta 418 info. Ian Fleming described it as the Beretta with skeleton grips. There was all kinds of opinion as to what he meant, some of it from "experts". It was simply the 418 has skeleton grips, gutta percha or bakelite, with a decorative metal frame around the edges which also prevents chipping. Classy looking old gun.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 02, 2022 07:39 PM (lz5hY)

118 today's meme made me laugh, well done.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at October 02, 2022 07:39 PM (xcxpd)

119 Weasel hearts KTP.
Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 07:33 PM

Sporting Mecca.

The young lady is getting into archery. I hope to get her to the range with the really fun toys eventually.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 02, 2022 07:39 PM (Wnv9h)

120 Apparently I can't catch a break. Maybe next year.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 02, 2022 07:35 PM (bVYXr)

You need to reschedule your injuries, dangit.

Posted by: GWB at October 02, 2022 07:40 PM (W0i8D)

121 Blaster, Ed, Iris and I also went to the Nation's Gun Show in Chantilly yesterday. I was hoping to get to see and handle a Walther PDP F series. Ed had seen a few on Friday but my the end of the day they were all gone. Went to talk to the dealer from whom I bought my G44 because he had some o his website. He was great and said just to call him the day before the next show in November and he would hold one for me to check out. I was pleased.
Iris and I also got a mini lesson in holsters from a vendor. He talked about why he liked and disliked certain types, demonstrated the different carry tecniques.
I love these shows. People are so generous with their time and expertise even when your wallet is not involved.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 02, 2022 07:41 PM (Y+l9t)

122 Darn, you blink and there are already 100+ comments ahead of you...

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at October 02, 2022 07:41 PM (hOUT3)

123 I'll try and remember to put something into the thread next week, but if you want to participate in a gun cleaning session in TX, bring your cleaning stuff if you can. I can bring some basics.

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 07:41 PM (0IeYL)

124 Weasel et al, I would also be interested in a gun cleaning tutorial. It's a struggle to take apart and clean my Beretta 92FS.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at October 02, 2022 07:37 PM (Dc2NZ)

Oooh, I love the Beretta 92. It's a lot easier than other guns, honestly. Can you take it down ok? Or is that tough too? Just asking so I can target my kibitzing correctly.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at October 02, 2022 07:41 PM (xcxpd)

125 Next up was a friend's .410 side-by-side which could not hit anything. After we both gave it a solid try, I suggested setting it aside until we could verify the pattern.

I then reverted to the venerable weapons of my youth, recently retrieved from a mishap with an ice shanty and subsequently lost during an unplanned free-lance dredging opportunity. The Remington 870 needs no further description with this crowd, but it was interesting that the Ishapore had better success, despite the Remington being 20 gauge and nominally optimized for this kind of thing.

Rounding out my selections was a Stevens side-by-side, also chambered in 20 gauge, was proved the best of the lot. It was the handiest of the three, and of course had a superbly fast second shot, which proved useful more than once.

I cannot recall shooting skeet for at least 10 years, perhaps 20. It was great to get back to it, and should salvage operations prove fruitful, I might actually get to use these weapons again someday.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 02, 2022 07:41 PM (llXky)

126 101 No 105s or or Karl Gustavs.
Posted by: Eromero at October 02, 2022 07:28 PM

So...155s are a possibility?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 02, 2022 07:34 PM (Wnv9h)
Billy Joe took it with him off the Tallahachee bridge. Sorry.

Posted by: Eromero at October 02, 2022 07:41 PM (0OP+5)

127 Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at October 02, 2022 07:37 PM (Dc2NZ)

I can help you w/ your 92FS. I have experience w/ the M9 and owned a 92FS for 25 years.

Posted by: Ed L at October 02, 2022 07:41 PM (/lmRp)

128 Kittery Trading Post = Freedom.
You are absolutely right about eye-opening for folks.

Posted by: RI Red at October 02, 2022 07:42 PM (0I07e)

129 Finer priming powder in a goose quill was used for priming cannons and naval guns through the touchhole or vent.

Maybe it was only the heavier naval guns but they had a sort of flintlock mechanism for firing the touchhole powder rather than using the slow-match on a stick porte-feu, I think as a safety precaution on very combustible naval vessels. Pulling a cord fired the flintlock mechanism instead of a trigger.
https://tinyurl.com/2p986sf8 [3:17 video]
https://tinyurl.com/ycxbz4ep

A wargaming friend has a brass longboat-gun [1-pdr?] but I don't know if he still has it after having given up 1812 and French & Indian Wars reenacting.

Posted by: andycanuck at October 02, 2022 07:42 PM (yikp0)

130 Blaster, Ed, Iris and I also went to the Nation's Gun Show in Chantilly yesterday.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 02, 2022 07:41 PM (Y+l9t)

Just how often does that show happen? It seems like y'all are always going there.

Posted by: GWB at October 02, 2022 07:43 PM (W0i8D)

131 I'm going to be making a 1600 mile road trip to get to Texas. I might get another chance. Sometime you gotta go for it.

Posted by: fd at October 02, 2022 07:43 PM (sn5EN)

132 Someone on AoSHQ: A doctor asked someone I know if they had any guns.

Me: If a doctor asked me that I'd tell them to stay in their fucking lane.

(several months later)

Nurse: This place used to be a gun store.

Me: Oh neat I remember that place! They have a bigger location now, north of here.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 02, 2022 07:35 PM (ybIRR)

I was talking to an orthopedic doc regarding some heel pain and I mentioned IDPA. Turns out he's a shooter, too. Nice surprise.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at October 02, 2022 07:45 PM (xcxpd)

133 I'd like to shoot the James Bond pistols
.32 ACP of the Walther PPK
.25 ACP Beretta 418
Posted by: nurse ratched

damned shame i cannot get there again this year. i have a .32 ppk, serial # dated to 1938 issued to the wermach. it shoots very nicely

Posted by: BifBewalski at October 02, 2022 07:45 PM (3CCua)

134 Posted by: andycanuck at October 02, 2022 07:42 PM (yikp0)

Very interesting. Thanks!

Posted by: GWB at October 02, 2022 07:45 PM (W0i8D)

135 Good call, Weasel, on the cleaning practice. Maybe wind up hand-gun shooting with a one on one with the borebrushes. Very communal, social, light sitting around the fire in a cave as the sabre tooths wander outside.

Posted by: RI Red at October 02, 2022 07:45 PM (0I07e)

136 fd, I am so glad you are coming!

Posted by: Ben Had at October 02, 2022 07:45 PM (EE7s+)

137 Just how often does that show happen? It seems like y'all are always going there.
Posted by: GWB at October 02, 2022 07:43 PM (W0i8D)

About quarterly now.

Posted by: blaster at October 02, 2022 07:46 PM (pwExq)

138 Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 02, 2022 07:39 PM (lz5hY)

I've read that Bond removed the grip panels completely in order to make the pistol as thin as possible. I'm not sure that's a smart move, considering how that would let dirt enter the action so easily.

Posted by: Ed L at October 02, 2022 07:46 PM (/lmRp)

139 96 ... "Have thought some day I'd be getting either an Uberti SAA or a Ruger Blackhawk convertible."

rhomboid,
Get the Ruger Blackhawk convertible if possible. I prefer the 7.5 inch barrel. It will handle any 45 Colt load and I've probably put more 45 acp through it than in 1911s. Nothing against the Uberti SAA but the Blackhawk is more versatile.

Posted by: JTB at October 02, 2022 07:46 PM (7EjX1)

140 Couldn't recall if that was the one you said not to use. I'll put it into the queue.

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 07:36 PM (0IeYL)
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This is the one I sent on Sept. 3. It's correct and official.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 02, 2022 07:46 PM (llXky)

141 113 Posted by: screaming in digital at October 02, 2022 07:21 PM (pkAcY)

Weasel et al, I would also be interested in a gun cleaning tutorial. It's a struggle to take apart and clean my Beretta 92FS.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at October 02, 2022 07:37 PM (Dc2NZ)
That damn thing that always goes across the room.

Posted by: Eromero at October 02, 2022 07:48 PM (0OP+5)

142 Oh and had my first FTF with the PSA Dagger. Dunno what happened but got a dead trigger halfway through a magzine. No mark on the round, re-chambered and it fired fine. It was a little tight ejecting from the chamber so maybe it didn't chamber correctly. Still...first malfunction in around 700 rounds, not bad for a $300 pistol.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at October 02, 2022 07:49 PM (xcxpd)

143 Posted by: GWB at October 02, 2022 07:43 PM (W0i8D)

About every six weeks or so. Check out their webpage. They usually post the dates six months to a year in advance. Friday is the best day to get stuff that's in demand (as Sharon's tale above says). Saturday is the most crowded, and the most difficult to find a parking space.

Posted by: Ed L at October 02, 2022 07:49 PM (/lmRp)

144 You're welcome, GWB.

Although I was really disappointed that the 1/20-scale cannon guy didn't fire it in the short video!

Posted by: andycanuck at October 02, 2022 07:49 PM (yikp0)

145 Nurse: This place used to be a gun store.

Me: Oh neat I remember that place! They have a bigger location now, north of here.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 02, 2022 07:35 PM (ybIRR)
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My former dentist was also my FFL. I'd get my teeth cleaned and pick up my latest order. Very convenient.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 02, 2022 07:49 PM (llXky)

146 138 Yeah, heard that one too. In the movie where M makes Bond give up "That damned Beretta" Bond hands over a Model 34, which would be a trade down as far as caliber. They also say that the CIA uses the PPK which I don't think would be much of an endorsement coming from those clowns.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 02, 2022 07:50 PM (lz5hY)

147 The show was packed. Hardly any place to park. The enthusiasm in the gun community has not waned. The loosening of the cc laws has created a whole new market for classes, holsters etc. And the attendence was incredibly diverse. You want to see a true cross section of America, go to a gun show.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 02, 2022 07:50 PM (Y+l9t)

148 The shoot -n-scoot range is progressing nicely and there will be an added twist.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 02, 2022 07:51 PM (EE7s+)

149 Posted by: RI Red at October 02, 2022 07:45 PM (0I07e)
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I've thought about that in past years, but never got around to doing it. Credit goes to Screaming in Digital!

Anyone have a day/time preference for the session? It probably makes sense to do both rifles and handguns concurrently.

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 07:51 PM (0IeYL)

150 Duncanthrax I've got triple 7, it was impossible to find real black powder a few months ago. It may be back in stock now somewhere I haven't looked

. 457 lead, no grease I have some greased wads. Got all the other items on your list
Posted by: Colonel Travis at October 02, 2022 07:29 PM

Triple 7 is good; no sulfur. It has better performance than BP, and won't crap up the cylinder barrel gap. .457 is good, I prefer them to the .454 balls, assuming your cylinder bore is .451 (which almost all are). With pure lead, you'll probably want to keep the MV below 1100 ft/sec to avoid barrel leading. What that means is not loading it to the max.

Down the road, you can start fooling with conical bullets and making paper cartridges.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 02, 2022 07:51 PM (a3Q+t)

151 I've read that Bond removed the grip panels completely in order to make the pistol as thin as possible. I'm not sure that's a smart move, considering how that would let dirt enter the action so easily.

Posted by: Ed L at October 02, 2022 07:46 PM (/lmRp)
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Presumably it's within clothing, so not likely to be exposed to the elements until drawn - and used.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 02, 2022 07:51 PM (llXky)

152 That damn thing that always goes across the room.
Posted by: Eromero at October 02, 2022 07:48 PM (0OP+5)

YES!!!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at October 02, 2022 07:52 PM (Dc2NZ)

153 The shoot-n-scoot range is progressing nicely and there will be an added twist.
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Blindfolded competition??

Posted by: andycanuck at October 02, 2022 07:52 PM (yikp0)

154 I miss Sarah, too bad she didn't make her quotas. New troll is less fun.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at October 02, 2022 07:52 PM (xcxpd)

155 Thanks for the input, JTB. As I load both calibers, the Blackhawk is tempting. No buying anytime soon though, not in the mode (as opposed to mood, which is frequently).

Posted by: rhomboid at October 02, 2022 07:53 PM (OTzUX)

156 It was a little tight ejecting from the chamber so maybe it didn't chamber correctly. Still...first malfunction in around 700 rounds, not bad for a $300 pistol.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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Possibly an out of spec ammo issue and not the pistol in that case.

Posted by: whig at October 02, 2022 07:53 PM (CXr4y)

157 I should add here that I'm flying in so I won't be bringing any firearms of my own. Too much potential trouble.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at October 02, 2022 07:53 PM (Dc2NZ)

158 "The shoot-n-scoot range is progressing nicely and there will be an added twist."

Mines?

Trap door?

Return fire?

Posted by: rhomboid at October 02, 2022 07:53 PM (OTzUX)

159 It was a little tight ejecting from the chamber so maybe it didn't chamber correctly. Still...first malfunction in around 700 rounds, not bad for a $300 pistol.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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Possibly an out of spec ammo issue and not the pistol in that case.
Posted by: whig at October 02, 2022 07:53 PM (CXr4y)

Jah, this was cheap 'Zinc Point' ammo, which has some flaws, among them very hard primers. I'm inclined to blame the ammo but still...facts are facts.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at October 02, 2022 07:54 PM (xcxpd)

160 Posted by: www.Profit97.Com at October 02, 2022 07:50 PM

Son, I think you wandered into the wrong thread.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 02, 2022 07:54 PM (Wnv9h)

161 Duncanthrax, shall I send you Colonel Travis's email?

Posted by: Ben Had at October 02, 2022 07:54 PM (EE7s+)

162 Anyone have a day/time preference for the session? It probably makes sense to do both rifles and handguns concurrently.
Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 07:51 PM (0IeYL)

Maybe Friday in the handgun clinic timeframe?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at October 02, 2022 07:55 PM (Dc2NZ)

163 Not too much to report gub wise. First weekend off from work in 2 months, so I was busy refencing and re-painting the front fence and gates and gate posts in the main entrance. Two drivers wiped them out going off the road on ice and its about time I fixed that. I hate fencing with wire.
Looking at another long range rifle that is going cheap, so if its there when I return at the end of the month (and I have any bucks left) I will get it.
Speaking of bucks, just went into town to buy some US dollars for walking around money. Holy shit, its almost 2 to 1 against the NZD. Oh well.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at October 02, 2022 07:55 PM (bgJ0E)

164 Yeah, heard that one too. In the movie where M makes Bond give up "That damned Beretta" Bond hands over a Model 34, which would be a trade down as far as caliber. They also say that the CIA uses the PPK which I don't think would be much of an endorsement coming from those clowns.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 02, 2022 07:50 PM (lz5hY)
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The M1934 was probably more recognizable to the British public, since it was Italy's primary sidearm in WW II.

The PPK would have been a popular choice because Europe was awash in them - trophy guns and of course police pistols confiscated from the Germans. The preponderant police caliber was .32 ACP, so not only would it be easy to find ammo while on assignment, no one would bat an eye if one was used in a crime.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 02, 2022 07:55 PM (llXky)

165 Mines?
Trap door?
Return fire?

Trebuchet?

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 02, 2022 07:55 PM (Xrfse)

166 "The shoot-n-scoot range is progressing nicely and there will be an added twist."

Mines?

Trap door?

Return fire?
Posted by: rhomboid at October 02, 2022 07:53 PM

Surprise!

Posted by: The Otters at October 02, 2022 07:55 PM (Wnv9h)

167 Range trip with wife.

With Windicator 38/ 357 used up some of Dad's vintage 1977 reloads.
45 years old and they all went Bang! and a bit hot. The 38s felt like 357. All had very flat primers with hint of cratering, but not extreme.
Revolvers kinda scary to Wife, so she passed on that.

Next up Ruger P95. Ran through some test reloads, then factory ammo. Wifey capped off 50 rounds herself.

Last was Springfield XD-M in 45.
Wife took her turn too and shot mo better than I.

She is 95# dripping wet and no problems at all with either of the autos.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at October 02, 2022 07:56 PM (4UJZ+)

168 My former dentist was also my FFL. I'd get my teeth cleaned and pick up my latest order. Very convenient.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 02, 2022 07:49 PM (llXky)

Indeed, AHL. People are complex beings. (Although drilling holes in targets and in teeth may be somewhat complementary skills...)

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at October 02, 2022 07:56 PM (pSDhy)

169 I miss Sarah, too bad she didn't make her quotas. New troll is less fun.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at October 02, 2022 07:52 PM (xcxpd)
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Notice the pay is almost half of what it was. That's the recession kicking in. Gotta turn more tricks to make the same bread.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 02, 2022 07:56 PM (llXky)

170 These Dr stories are funny. I went to the Opthamologist last week because I had some trouble sighting late afternoon shooting outside on a hot and sweaty day. wanted to get my eyes checked at I am 29....Had to tell him why I was there. He asked pistols? Then proceeded to tell me he had gone to the range a few times with his wife.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 02, 2022 07:57 PM (Y+l9t)

171 158 "The shoot-n-scoot range is progressing nicely and there will be an added twist."

Mines?

Trap door?

Return fire?
Posted by: rhomboid at October 02, 2022 07:53 PM (OTzUX)
Wild boars.

Posted by: Eromero at October 02, 2022 07:57 PM (0OP+5)

172 Jah, this was cheap 'Zinc Point' ammo, which has some flaws, among them very hard primers. I'm inclined to blame the ammo but still...facts are facts.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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I usually check gauge all my ammo first before heading to the range and for 9mm, I have a multiple round chamber checker.

Some of the imported ammo can be of variable quality and so I stick to a few known brands. Even Winchester has went downhill recently.

Posted by: whig at October 02, 2022 07:57 PM (CXr4y)

173 Now a dentist/FFL is a combo I'd never heard before.

There used to be a gun/liquor store in this area. It's still there, they've just put the gun store in a small area in the back, separate entrance. When I was a kid it was booze on one side, gunz on the other. Perfect.

Trying to imagine a voice-mail from the dentist/FFL's office:

"Mr Smith, just wanted to remind you that you have a teeth cleaning scheduled for 10AM this Tuesday. And your Colt Python is ready for pick-up"

Posted by: rhomboid at October 02, 2022 07:57 PM (OTzUX)

174 Mines?

Trap door?

Return fire?

Posted by: rhomboid at October 02, 2022 07:53 PM (OTzUX)
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Otters.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 02, 2022 07:58 PM (llXky)

175 Getting psyched for the MoMe. Anyone bringing the Sig 365 XL with the 17 rd magazine? I'd like to give that one a try.
Posted by: RI Red at October 02, 2022 07:25 PM

W/a 15 rd, Wilson grip, custom barrel on Saturday, yes.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 02, 2022 07:58 PM (a3Q+t)

176 Last was Springfield XD-M in 45.
Wife took her turn too and shot mo better than I.

She is 95# dripping wet and no problems at all with either of the autos.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at October 02, 2022 07:56 PM (4UJZ+)

The XD45 is my wife's favorite pistol too. Dunno what it is about 1911's and the XD 45, but a lot of women seem to shoot them better than 9mm's out of other polymer wonder 9's.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at October 02, 2022 07:58 PM (xcxpd)

177 Absolutely concur on the Romeo y Julieta Media Noche. Something for an evening special and with the right beverage.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 02, 2022 07:58 PM (anj39)

178
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at October 02, 2022 07:55 PM (Dc2NZ)
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I was thinking Friday at 4pm as the shooting is wrapping up for the day. I'll defer to all y'all though.

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 07:58 PM (0IeYL)

179 164 There were probably as many 7.65 pistols issued to the wermacht (Heer, Kriegsmarine, and Luftwaffe) and paramilitary and political orgs as 9mm up to and during WW2.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 02, 2022 07:58 PM (lz5hY)

180 I usually check gauge all my ammo first before heading to the range and for 9mm, I have a multiple round chamber checker.

Some of the imported ammo can be of variable quality and so I stick to a few known brands. Even Winchester has went downhill recently.
Posted by: whig at October 02, 2022 07:57 PM (CXr4y)

Federal/American Eagle is behaving well, esp the 124 gr 9mm. This is all coming out of sealed/taped boxes, so I don't really measure them before loading up. I'm impressed by your attention to detail, doing so for your rounds.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at October 02, 2022 07:59 PM (xcxpd)

181 Notice the pay is almost half of what it was. That's the recession kicking in. Gotta turn more tricks to make the same bread.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 02, 2022 07:56 PM (llXky)

She should move to town!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at October 02, 2022 07:59 PM (hOUT3)

182 Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 02, 2022 07:50 PM (lz5hY)

Keep in mind that in Fleming's time, .32 ACP was the standard caliber for almost all European and British police agencies, regardless of the gun firing it. The US has always had a "bigger is better" bias when it comes to handguns. I think that's because the US sees handguns as a serious weapon. The Europeans often use handguns as a badge of office instead.
The PPK (and .32 ACP) fell from favor in 1970s. Princess Anne's bodyguard had his jam when he tried to use it on the nut trying to kidnap her. As I understand it, she talked down her assailant so the cops could arrest him.

Posted by: Ed L at October 02, 2022 08:00 PM (/lmRp)

183 Anyone have a day/time preference for the session? It probably makes sense to do both rifles and handguns concurrently.
Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 07:51 PM (0IeYL)

Maybe Friday in the handgun clinic timeframe?
Posted by: All Hail Eris
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I vote for later on Friday if possible. I may be arriving midday Friday, depending on what time I get on the road - hoping to arrive Thurs pm but I may not be able to get on the road until after work Wed... if I were still 29 I could drive most of the night but alas...

Posted by: screaming in digital at October 02, 2022 08:00 PM (pkAcY)

184 Too much potential trouble.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at October 02, 2022 07:53 PM

Given your penchant for not wearing pants on the Book Thread, I thought Danger was your middle name.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 02, 2022 08:01 PM (a3Q+t)

185 Surprise!
Posted by: The Otters
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Ouch!

Posted by: andycanuck at October 02, 2022 08:01 PM (yikp0)

186
"Mr Smith, just wanted to remind you that you have a teeth cleaning scheduled for 10AM this Tuesday. And your Colt Python is ready for pick-up"

Posted by: rhomboid at October 02, 2022 07:57 PM (OTzUX)
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I got a call almost identical to that one, as a matter of fact.

His FFL thing was a sidebar - friends of friends, that sort of thing. You had to know the secret handshake and stuff. I knew his son, so switched practices and other friends did likewise. Nice side-hustle if you can get it.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 02, 2022 08:01 PM (llXky)

187 whig have you actually had factory ammo fail spec as to chambering? That's one I never saw back when I used factory. I recall maybe one or two duds (Winchester White Box) in 9mm. That was it.

I use the barrel of my pistols to chamber-check 45ACP and 9mm. I haven't bothered to check the 380ACP for the CZ-83 but so far no problems.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 02, 2022 08:01 PM (OTzUX)

188 I vote for later on Friday if possible. I may be arriving midday Friday, depending on what time I get on the road - hoping to arrive Thurs pm but I may not be able to get on the road until after work Wed... if I were still 29 I could drive most of the night but alas...
Posted by: screaming in digital at October 02, 2022 08:00 PM (pkAcY)
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Works for me. Anyone else have a preference? We should have a bunch of dirty guns by then, and it won't conflict with range time.

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 08:02 PM (0IeYL)

189 NZFrank, ouch. We got ya covered in the food, booze, cigars and ammo dept, at least. I don't want to hear the retort. You are our guest.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 02, 2022 08:02 PM (EE7s+)

190 Col. Travis,

One precaution. Triple 7 powder is hotter than standard black powder or Pyrodex. Hodgdons recommends reducing your load by 15 percent from the black powder load data.

Posted by: JTB at October 02, 2022 08:02 PM (7EjX1)

191 I gave my youngest my PPK in .32 then he got stationed in Italy. I'll have to ask if he left it with his brother or his Mom. And M-9s (92FS) are easy peasy. Giggles took mine and won't give it back

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at October 02, 2022 08:02 PM (YbEGd)

192 We’ll be throwing down the welcome mat (spike strips) soon to welcome everyone!

Posted by: Rancherbob at October 02, 2022 08:04 PM (gtu9W)

193 Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at October 02, 2022 07:55 PM (bgJ0E)
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Howdy, mate/bro! Soon!

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 08:04 PM (0IeYL)

194 184 Too much potential trouble.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at October 02, 2022 07:53 PM

Given your penchant for not wearing pants on the Book Thread, I thought Danger was your middle name.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 02, 2022 08:01 PM (a3Q+t)
Spent brass. It is known.

Posted by: Eromero at October 02, 2022 08:05 PM (0OP+5)

195 Keep in mind that in Fleming's time, .32 ACP was the standard caliber for almost all European and British police agencies, regardless of the gun firing it. The US has always had a "bigger is better" bias when it comes to handguns. I think that's because the US sees handguns as a serious weapon. The Europeans often use handguns as a badge of office instead.

Posted by: Ed L at October 02, 2022 08:00 PM (/lmRp)
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I don't think Europeans ever expected police/pocket pistols to do 25 yard slow fire shooting, which Americans do. It's still a very popular caliber over there and because of that supplies never dried up for it they way they did for 9mm.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 02, 2022 08:05 PM (llXky)

196 AH Lloyd, a "kitchen table FFL" I believe is/was the expression. I'd heard tell the idiots had made it more difficult to be one of those, but that may have been misinformation and I don't know. I certainly would like to have one of those, though actually for most stuff the club president, who is an FFL and gunsmith, is a happy option. For minor things, if we talk range shop, he'll usually not even charge me.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 02, 2022 08:05 PM (OTzUX)

197 His FFL thing was a sidebar
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Good. Who wants a part-time dentist?

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at October 02, 2022 08:05 PM (yikp0)

198 We’ll be throwing down the welcome mat (spike strips) soon to welcome everyone!
Posted by: Rancherbob at October 02, 2022 08:04 PM (gtu9W)/i]

RB, I expected caltrops at the very least!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at October 02, 2022 08:05 PM (hOUT3)

199 Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 08:02 PM (0IeYL)

+1 for later on Friday.

Posted by: Ed L at October 02, 2022 08:06 PM (/lmRp)

200 Since this is the gun thread, it's probably OK to remind people of the DART Asteroid test. From a launch in November, the golf-cart sized probe struck an asteroid after 470 million miles, striking within 50 feet of the original target.

A few people thought Weasel could do better than that at that range.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at October 02, 2022 08:06 PM (oGiDo)

201 Looking forward to seeing and visiting with each and everyone of y’all.

Posted by: Rancherbob at October 02, 2022 08:06 PM (gtu9W)

202 Ben Had,
Thanks, I appreciate it. Not going to argue. Got the address logged into my phone so I stand a good chance of getting to the right place.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at October 02, 2022 08:07 PM (bgJ0E)

203 Friend has a CZ-27 his father bought while in the military in Europe in the 60s. I had it checked out/cleaned up by a gunsmith, got ammo, and took him to the range (he's not a gun guy). Interesting little gun. Not a fan of that big spring steel lever that functions as the mag release. But better than a harsh word, and in Europe of the era police work rarely called for more, I'd guess.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 02, 2022 08:07 PM (OTzUX)

204 A few people thought Weasel could do better than that at that range.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at October 02, 2022 08:06 PM (oGiDo)
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Reading wind deflection in outer space is an art!

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 08:08 PM (0IeYL)

205 andycanuck, LOL, good point!

Posted by: rhomboid at October 02, 2022 08:08 PM (OTzUX)

206 197 His FFL thing was a sidebar
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Good. Who wants a part-time dentist?
Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at October 02, 2022 08:05 PM (yikp0)
'I'm your huckleberry.'
-Doctor Holliday

Posted by: Eromero at October 02, 2022 08:08 PM (0OP+5)

207 JTB thanks I've heard that. Seems to be an art and science to black powder .

Posted by: Colonel Travis at October 02, 2022 08:09 PM (IrKoQ)

208 The XD45 for whatever reason is a very accurate firearm. Generally, 45 ACP recoil impulse in a service frame pistol is a rolling type recoil rather than a sharp shock. Not very true for the mini pistols in 45 but in ye olden days, bullet design meant that most would not expand so a bigger hole and penetration with ball was preferable to a smaller one with a 9mm mini.

The XD45 with a thumb safety must have been designed by a BHP fan as it is the same size as the classic BHP safety and in the same location.

Posted by: whig at October 02, 2022 08:09 PM (CXr4y)

209 Weasel I think it *is* an issue - solar wind reading. I didn't follow the discussion but I thought it was actually a factor in aiming for the asteroid.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 02, 2022 08:09 PM (OTzUX)

210 There have been reports for years that the loading lever on the Walker, which is not secured, can come down after a shot and jam the cylinder. That's inconvenient but annoying if it happens. Some regular Walker shooters tie up the lever with string after loading.
Posted by: JTB at October 02, 2022 07:36 PM

I've had it happen to me. Same w/1st Model Dragoons. Sam finally corrected it with the 2nd and 3rd Model Dragoons.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 02, 2022 08:09 PM (a3Q+t)

211 195 When I had my FFL in the early 80s, a large shipment of Walther PPs made it into the country, German police trade ins. These were all Manurhin made (under license). They came with the Walther box, factory target, holster and spare magazine. Judging by the condition they were in, German cops are big time fans on weapons cleaning.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 02, 2022 08:10 PM (lz5hY)

212 204 A few people thought Weasel could do better than that at that range.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at October 02, 2022 08:06 PM (oGiDo)
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In space, no one can hear you say "send it"

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 08:10 PM (0IeYL)

213 Friday after range time sounds good to me, boss!

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 02, 2022 08:10 PM (U2p+3)

214 AH Lloyd, a "kitchen table FFL" I believe is/was the expression. I'd heard tell the idiots had made it more difficult to be one of those, but that may have been misinformation and I don't know. I certainly would like to have one of those, though actually for most stuff the club president, who is an FFL and gunsmith, is a happy option. For minor things, if we talk range shop, he'll usually not even charge me.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 02, 2022 08:05 PM (OTzUX)
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Yes, these took a hit when they raised the fees significantly and demanded a greater degree if intrusion into their lives.

The dentist was a serious collector and sportsman, and everything was on the up-and-up so far as I know. Nowadays a guy like him would be doing Gunbroker sales, but back then he had some catalogs and if he got to know you and liked you, you could participate in it. He needed a certain amount of activity to keep in the ATF's good graces anyway, so it was a win-win.

Just a bit funny to go into the exam room and they put the paper bib on you and give you the purchase form to fill out.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 02, 2022 08:10 PM (llXky)

215 As an XD9 afficionado (my first and still favorite semi), I've always meant to get the 45 version. Shoulda done it a few years back. They'd be up for sale, private sale, locally, all the time. Usually at a decent discount to their already fairly low price. Some day.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 02, 2022 08:11 PM (OTzUX)

216 Posted by: rhomboid at October 02, 2022 08:09 PM (OTzUX)
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I'm pretty much an astronaut and I think it is a thing!

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 08:11 PM (0IeYL)

217 >>> 43 Not going to be able to make it again this year but I have 400 rounds of Federal brass case 9mm I can donate if anyone from back east can swing by my place in NE Texas on their way to the mome. I live about 2 hours away.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 02, 2022 07:16 PM (bVYXr)

I *might* be up your way one of the next couple weekends. Does Ben Had have your contact info by chance?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 02, 2022 08:11 PM (llON8)

218 A few people thought Weasel could do better than that at that range.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at October 02, 2022 08:06

He most certainly could, unless it happened to be the fourth of a five probe string. Then all bets are off.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 02, 2022 08:12 PM (a3Q+t)

219 213 Friday after range time sounds good to me, boss!
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 02, 2022 08:10 PM (U2p+3)
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Done!!

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 08:12 PM (0IeYL)

220 I was thinking Friday at 4pm as the shooting is wrapping up for the day. I'll defer to all y'all though.
Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 07:58 PM (0IeYL)

Sounds good, Weasie!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at October 02, 2022 08:13 PM (Dc2NZ)

221 187 whig have you actually had factory ammo fail spec as to chambering? That's one I never saw back when I used factory. I recall maybe one or two duds (Winchester White Box) in 9mm. That was it.

I use the barrel of my pistols to chamber-check 45ACP and 9mm. I haven't bothered to check the 380ACP for the CZ-83 but so far no problems.

Posted by: rhomboid
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Yes, some of the import makes during the Obammy years of shortages back when I was firing in volume. Had some issues with Remington too in 115 gr which I found out later was problematic.

I did not have problems in 3rd Generation S&W's which feed almost anything at the cost of a bit of accuracy but my Sigs did not like out of spec ammo. One of the reasons that I started reloading 9mm which I did not prior to the Obammy years--it was simply too cheap before then to reload versus other cartridges.

Posted by: whig at October 02, 2022 08:13 PM (CXr4y)

222 Weasel I think it *is* an issue - solar wind reading. I didn't follow the discussion but I thought it was actually a factor in aiming for the asteroid.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 02, 2022 08:09 PM (OTzUX)
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What about my gravity well? Gotta adjust for that!

Posted by: Planetary-Sized Planetary Presdient Tank Abrams at October 02, 2022 08:13 PM (llXky)

223 Just dug through the ammo stash that I totally don't have. Found a nice supply of .460 and .45 Colt if anyone wants to shoot the .460 in TX. I don't wanna bring it if no one will shoot it - I'm scared of it myself but enjoy watching others shoot it. Jesse and Steck shot it last year.

Posted by: screaming in digital at October 02, 2022 08:13 PM (pkAcY)

224 Given your penchant for not wearing pants on the Book Thread, I thought Danger was your middle name.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 02, 2022 08:01 PM (a3Q+t)
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I wear pants, as far as you know!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at October 02, 2022 08:13 PM (Dc2NZ)

225 >>> 58 Weasel! Horde! Am I the only one who would be interested in a handgun cleaning demo/class at a MoMe? (I especially need to learn how to clean revolvers.) Yes I know I can watch teh youtoobz but I am so mechanically inept, I really need someone looking over my shoulder to moron-splain it to me. I have plenty of cleaning supplies to bring. Please feel free to tell me this is a stupid idea!

Also, should I bring the .460 to Texas? Would anyone shoot it? I know I've got some ammo, not sure how much. I doubt anyone would want to put more than a few rounds through it though...
Posted by: screaming in digital at October 02, 2022 07:21 PM (pkAcY)

I think it's a great idea.

Also, I'm pretty sure the question "would anyone shoot it" will be answered YES by at least one or two Morons, no matter what "it" is.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 02, 2022 08:14 PM (llON8)

226 Mr Weasel, yes sooooooon.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at October 02, 2022 08:14 PM (bgJ0E)

227 I'm in for the cleaning clinic. Geoff gave me a lesson with the G44 and it looked easy but I am still reluctant to take a gun apart when I am by myself. I mean, what if I can;t put it back together?
Also, a lot of our schedule is weather dependent so as long as it isn;t earler than Friday afternoon maybe be flexible about timing.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 02, 2022 08:14 PM (Y+l9t)

228 Rhomboid @ 215-, bought the XCD9 and XD45 the same day when they first came out. Shot them some but never carried either. Rather carry something...heavier. Did I mention I'm wearing suspenders a lot as of late?

Posted by: Eromero at October 02, 2022 08:14 PM (0OP+5)

229 Weasel two more cigar reviews should be in the pipeline for you soon. Yesterday stumbled on a new brand, I knew it had debuted but hadn't seen it - West Tampa. Had their "white" offering, the milder one. Will do a write-up on that too. Though professional ethics sorta compel me to burn at least one more before reviewing it, which means going back to my local to get another one. Darn.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 02, 2022 08:15 PM (OTzUX)

230 There is an attorney who has a website who has great info on how to become an FFL as well as an SOT.

Biggest headache is the record keeping, getting finger fucked by the ATF during site inspections and of course the fees.

But if it's what you want to do, you can do it.

I don't have a link but rocketffl.com is his website I believe.

Lots of good knowledge and information also.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 02, 2022 08:16 PM (R/m4+)

231 >>> 226 Mr Weasel, yes sooooooon.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at October 02, 2022 08:14 PM (bgJ0E)

I'm looking forward to meeting you!

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 02, 2022 08:16 PM (llON8)

232 I told those fucking Germans they needed to diversify their energy sources and they laughed at me. You can't work with people like that, it's like they're retarded.

Posted by: Trumpicus Maximus at October 02, 2022 08:16 PM (ZYV6q)

233 >>> 227 I'm in for the cleaning clinic. Geoff gave me a lesson with the G44 and it looked easy but I am still reluctant to take a gun apart when I am by myself. I mean, what if I can;t put it back together?
Also, a lot of our schedule is weather dependent so as long as it isn;t earler than Friday afternoon maybe be flexible about timing.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 02, 2022 08:14 PM (Y+l9t)

LOL

Isn't that the truth? Taking things apart is almost *always* easy, but then...

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 02, 2022 08:16 PM (llON8)

234 I was thinking Friday at 4pm as the shooting is wrapping up for the day. I'll defer to all y'all though.

If you need a hand, let me know but after a long dry day going pew pew means liver abuse. I can however clean, bullshit and drink at the same time, I am multi- talented at that.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at October 02, 2022 08:17 PM (bgJ0E)

235 Duncanthrax, shall I send you Colonel Travis's email?
Posted by: Ben Had at October 02, 2022 07:54 PM

Sure. On an unrelated note, I will be visiting the pecan ranch up 35 next weekend. You know why.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 02, 2022 08:17 PM (a3Q+t)

236 I put a red dot (well green....Holosun 507k) on one of my XD9's. I need to spend more time with it as the stock XD9 has been one of my top 3 carry rotation pistols since I bought it. That gun just fits me, and it it's accurate and runs good dirty. Pretty much everything I need in a pistol.

Sigh.

So why do I keep chasing those other, newer pistol sluts?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at October 02, 2022 08:17 PM (xcxpd)

237 Also, I'm pretty sure the question "would anyone shoot it" will be answered YES by at least one or two Morons, no matter what "it" is.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 02, 2022 08:14 PM (llON

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They'll try anything once. If they survive, they might try it again.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 02, 2022 08:17 PM (llXky)

238 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 02, 2022 08:05 PM (llXky)

In one of my reference books, there's a picture of Italian policewomen (late 1970s?) on the range armed with what look like Beretta pistols in .25 ACP (!!), .32 ACP, and/or .380 ACP. It appears that the targets are really close in (5-7 yards). I think that supports your point that slow fire shooting never was a thing across the pond.

Posted by: Ed L at October 02, 2022 08:19 PM (/lmRp)

239 bought the XCD9 and XD45 the same day when they first came out. Shot them some but never carried either. Rather carry something...heavier. Did I mention I'm wearing suspenders a lot as of late?
Posted by: Eromero at October 02, 2022 08:14 PM (0OP+5)

Heavier than .45 ACP?
Have you joined my man ScoggDog and started EDC .357 magnum?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at October 02, 2022 08:19 PM (xcxpd)

240 I was thinking Friday at 4pm as the shooting is wrapping up for the day. I'll defer to all y'all though.
Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 07:58 PM (0IeYL)
Perfect

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 02, 2022 08:19 PM (Y+l9t)

241 Sigh.

So why do I keep chasing those other, newer pistol sluts?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at October 02, 2022 08:17 PM (xcxpd)
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Are we still talking about guns?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 02, 2022 08:20 PM (llXky)

242 Locally, I'm paying about $20 a box for 9mm FMJ, just about any brand, and $25 to $30 for Federal .380. I guess that's ok. I have a stash that serves my needs and just replace what I use. Besides all the joint problems I bore people with, the right shoulder is going downhill, and I'm thinking of a 9mm carbine. I had a Hi Point, one of the early ones before they put all the junk on them, and would even settle for one of those. Probably end up with a Ruger PC, and then I'll have to increase the ammo reserve.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 02, 2022 08:20 PM (lz5hY)

243 You want to see a true cross section of America, go to a gun show.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 02, 2022 07:50 PM (Y+l9t)

Or to an air show.

Posted by: GWB at October 02, 2022 08:20 PM (W0i8D)

244 9mm can be a bit of a picky cartridge as it has been around so long that chambers and throats can vary a bit, especially considering Euro firearms. My German made Sig absolutely dislikes Hornady XTP's for example due to the throat which was designed for hardball.

I've never had an issue with 45 ACP failing a check gauge--easy to reload, probably easy for MFG's to load.

Almost all of the problematic factory ammo (aside from companies that reload once fired cases) that I have found have been 7.62x39 (in AR's chambered for it or bolt guns), 223/5.56 foreign made, and 9mm. Occasionally you will see problems in domestic makes. Best domestic quality and reliability is Black Hills but pricey. Norma, Geco, and surprisingly Prvi Partisan, I have never had an issue with.

Posted by: whig at October 02, 2022 08:20 PM (CXr4y)

245 whig I recall some recalls on certain lots of White Box back then. I started loading 9mm because once the economies of scale became apparent (reloading set up, primers, powder, all already in place for 38 and 45), even 9mm was a cost-saver. Also during the Obamination (later stages).

Then I became accustomed to being independent of the ammo market, and decided to reload everything I shoot. Except 54R, but if I ever shoot up/sell my enormous pile of Soviet surplus, then that one too. Actually since you can customize with softer loadings for general plinking, tempted to load that one too, and occasionally look for super-giveaway pricing on private sales of the dies, tools or components just in case.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 02, 2022 08:20 PM (OTzUX)

246 237 Also, I'm pretty sure the question "would anyone shoot it" will be answered YES by at least one or two Morons, no matter what "it" is.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 02, 2022 08:14 PM (llON
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They'll try anything once. If they survive, they might try it again.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 02, 2022 08:17 PM (llXky)
Mrs. E shot the BFG couple years ago and wanted me to buy one. That's crazy. Like buying a Benson Gyrocopter.

Posted by: Eromero at October 02, 2022 08:20 PM (0OP+5)

247 I can however clean, bullshit and drink at the same time, I am multi- talented at that.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at October 02, 2022 08:17 PM

You're not going to wax poetic, once in your cups, about the supposed superiority of Limey ordinance and/or the All Blacks, are you?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 02, 2022 08:21 PM (a3Q+t)

248 Have to call it an early night, so I can get my gym time in this week to free up my weekend. Thanks again, all!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at October 02, 2022 08:21 PM (pSDhy)

249 >>> 237 Also, I'm pretty sure the question "would anyone shoot it" will be answered YES by at least one or two Morons, no matter what "it" is.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 02, 2022 08:14 PM (llON
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They'll try anything once. If they survive, they might try it again.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 02, 2022 08:17 PM (llXky)

"Hold my ValueRite..."

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 02, 2022 08:22 PM (llON8)

250 I'm looking forward to meeting you!
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 02, 2022 08:16 PM (llON

Look, lets just say that when people see me after some time and they say something like "Oh I haven't run into you for ages" I say "Aren't you lucky".

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at October 02, 2022 08:22 PM (bgJ0E)

251 So why do I keep chasing those other, newer pistol sluts?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at October 02, 2022 08:17 PM (xcxpd)
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Are we still talking about guns?
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 02, 2022 08:20 PM (llXky)

Uhhh...yeah. Go with yeah.
Also, I'm too old now to be chasing split tail anymore.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at October 02, 2022 08:22 PM (xcxpd)

252 In one of my reference books, there's a picture of Italian policewomen (late 1970s?) on the range armed with what look like Beretta pistols in .25 ACP (!!), .32 ACP, and/or .380 ACP. It appears that the targets are really close in (5-7 yards). I think that supports your point that slow fire shooting never was a thing across the pond.

Posted by: Ed L at October 02, 2022 08:19 PM (/lmRp)
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For deep undercover work, the .25 is a good option, particularly for a female working the vice squad.

Those ranges are certainly realistic and frankly getting hit with any of those calibers at 15 feet is going to suck, particularly if they go beyond double-tapping and simply empty the magazine.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 02, 2022 08:22 PM (llXky)

253 239 bought the XCD9 and XD45 the same day when they first came out. Shot them some but never carried either. Rather carry something...heavier. Did I mention I'm wearing suspenders a lot as of late?
Posted by: Eromero at October 02, 2022 08:14 PM (0OP+5)

Heavier than .45 ACP?
Have you joined my man ScoggDog and started EDC .357 magnum?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at October 02, 2022 08:19 PM (xcxpd)
Ever now and again a 1911. I often carry Ruger LCR .357. Ankle holster.

Posted by: Eromero at October 02, 2022 08:23 PM (0OP+5)

254 Hrothgar was there, too. He has a plan to wrestle his Accursed Glock to the ground.
Posted by: blaster

Pawn shop before it sours your range time?

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 02, 2022 08:23 PM (Hk0bN)

255 Posted by: screaming in digital at October 02, 2022 08:13 PM (pkAcY)

SiD, I could bring my Colt SAA, which shoots .45 Long Colt.

Posted by: Ed L at October 02, 2022 08:23 PM (/lmRp)

256 Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at October 02, 2022 07:56 PM (4UJZ+)

Yay, someone else with a Windicator.
How do you like it? As compared to other, pricier wheelguns?

Posted by: GWB at October 02, 2022 08:23 PM (W0i8D)

257 Also, I'm pretty sure the question "would anyone shoot it" will be answered YES by at least one or two Morons, no matter what "it" is.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket
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OK, Helena, now YOU have to shoot it! :-)

Posted by: screaming in digital at October 02, 2022 08:24 PM (pkAcY)

258 I wear pants, as far as you know!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at October 02, 2022 08:13 PM

They're so cute when they're young.

Posted by: Bob from NSA at October 02, 2022 08:25 PM (a3Q+t)

259 Prvi Partisan makes good stuff.

Name is Serbian for "first partisan", reference to the partisan anti-German resistance in WWII, and, I think, their guerrilla ammo manufacturing.

At least that's what I assume, from Russian/slavic language perspective (in Russian it would be "pyerviy partizan" for the same meaning).

Posted by: rhomboid at October 02, 2022 08:25 PM (OTzUX)

260 Now that I think on it...I wonder why Europe never went for pistol power. In the US, we developed .38 super, .357 magnum...and all the other magnum rounds, in addition to starting out with .45 ACP.

While Europe, apart from the Brits sticking to .455 Webbly, seemed to be ok with .32, .25, .380....hell 7.62 Tok was considered a very high powered pistol...with some justification.

I wonder why the divergence? The Euros sure made some damn good automatics and even some good revolvers we...uh...borrowed inspiration from.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at October 02, 2022 08:25 PM (xcxpd)

261 Pawn shop before it sours your range time?
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron

That is on the option list, but I do not plan to give up easily!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at October 02, 2022 08:26 PM (hOUT3)

262
You're not going to wax poetic, once in your cups, about the supposed superiority of Limey ordinance and/or the All Blacks, are you?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 02, 2022 08:21 PM (a3Q+t)

For a small fee I can Not Talk about anything you want.
I can be very obliging - sometimes.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at October 02, 2022 08:26 PM (bgJ0E)

263 209 Weasel I think it *is* an issue - solar wind reading. I didn't follow the discussion but I thought it was actually a factor in aiming for the asteroid.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 02, 2022 08:09 PM (OTzUX)

You'd have to use Gyro Jet ammo so course corrections can be made in the final 3 million miles to target.

Posted by: Gref at October 02, 2022 08:26 PM (AMIL/)

264 Princess Anne's bodyguard had his jam when he tried to use it on the nut trying to kidnap her.

Posted by: Ed L at October 02, 2022 08:00 PM (/lmRp)

Which was M's claim about Bond, as well. It supposedly jammed and he almost lost his life because of it.

(One of the few bits in the books AND in the movies, though Dr. No was much closer than subsequent films.)

Posted by: GWB at October 02, 2022 08:27 PM (W0i8D)

265 Ever now and again a 1911. I often carry Ruger LCR .357. Ankle holster.
Posted by: Eromero at October 02, 2022 08:23 PM

This place is proving to be an evil influence upon you.

Posted by: Gaston at October 02, 2022 08:27 PM (a3Q+t)

266 MAE, are you coming to Texas? That Holosun is what I am contemplating putting on my G48. Would love a chance to check it out. Unfortunately, I couldn't get the MOS version so have to have it retrofitted so torn about doing it. The Optics guy at the gun show said he would sell it to me for $295 which I think is a good price and put it on but I would have to have it "drilled " out first.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 02, 2022 08:30 PM (Y+l9t)

267 Uhhh... yeah. Go with yeah.
Also, I'm too old now to be chasing split tail anymore.
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Not even beavertail grips?

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at October 02, 2022 08:30 PM (yikp0)

268 Hey y'all. Can you believe my family had the gall to want dinner on Gun Thread Day? I'll just pick up here and go back to the top later.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 02, 2022 08:30 PM (nfrXX)

269 Weasel the CA article basically is the story from one (very famous) tobacco farm in the important Pinar del Rio region, but apparently is reasonably extrapolated to the whole area. Buildings destroyed, some fields flooded. But planting isn't for a month or so, normally, so no unavoidable impact on next year's crop, in theory.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 02, 2022 08:31 PM (OTzUX)

270 Oddbob, no delivery in your area? This is what it's for. Everyone delivers now, via DoorDash if nothing else.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 02, 2022 08:32 PM (OTzUX)

271 252 There was a very popular gun show in Ohio at the Chagrin Falls armory. One fellow was always there, with a large collection of .25 pistols (roll them in on a two wheel dolly in a few Kennedy machinist tool boxes). Anyway, he had a few with full military rig, holster with spare mag and cleaning rod. Some European military orgs had the theory that the higher the rank, the smaller the pistol.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 02, 2022 08:32 PM (lz5hY)

272 Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 02, 2022 08:12 PM (a3Q+t)
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*GAAAAK!*. The fourth shot!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 08:33 PM (0IeYL)

273 Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 02, 2022 08:20 PM (lz5hY)

My 9mm PCC choices:

If $$ is not a concern: H&K SP5. Arguably the most accurate, softest shooting, most rugged, most reliable, and coolest PCC on the market today. A ton of fun to shoot suppressed. If GunBroker prices are indicative, an appreciating asset.

Best budget value: Extar EP-9. $399. AR-15 controls. Glock magazine compatible. Works well enough for the price.

Posted by: Ed L at October 02, 2022 08:33 PM (/lmRp)

274 I mean, what if I can;t put it back together?

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 02, 2022 08:14 PM (Y+l9t)

You own more than one, right?

Posted by: GWB at October 02, 2022 08:33 PM (W0i8D)

275 Now that I think on it...I wonder why Europe never went for pistol power. In the US, we developed .38 super, .357 magnum...and all the other magnum rounds, in addition to starting out with .45 ACP.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at October 02, 2022 08:25 PM (xcxpd)
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It's worth remembering that John Browning created .25 ACP, .32 ACP and .380 ACP, so these aren't Euro calibers and all were popular in the US.

Also recall that 9mm Parabellum was a German thing. The Austrians used 9mm Steyr and the Spanish and Danes used 9mm Bergmann/Largo. Italy chose 9mm Glisenti before settling on .380.

I think the biggest reason for caliber creep in the US was the need for revolvers to stay competitive with auto-loaders. What's the "killer app" for revolvers? A solid frame. That means revolvers can handle loads that would blow auto-loaders into pieces, thus the development of all the magnum calibers, which no service automatic could match.

Europe's revolver manufacturers died out under wartime pressures, so the civilian market was entirely autoloaders. The US had Colt, S&W, H&R and Iver Johnson, all with huge investments in revolver production.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 02, 2022 08:34 PM (llXky)

276 Posted by: rhomboid at October 02, 2022 08:31 PM (OTzUX)
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Sounds like I need to crack open the magazine!

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 08:35 PM (0IeYL)

277 I wonder why the divergence? The Euros sure made some damn good automatics and even some good revolvers we...uh...borrowed inspiration from.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at October 02, 2022 08:25 PM (xcxpd)

Korea, Viet Nam, then all the other crappy countries we've invaded for the last 20 years... have given us a HUGE amount of combat Vets, with real world experience in what works, and what does not.

Very few Euros have actual combat experience. Some, but no where near as many as the US.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 02, 2022 08:36 PM (oHd/0)

278 266 MAE, are you coming to Texas? That Holosun is what I am contemplating putting on my G48. Would love a chance to check it out. Unfortunately, I couldn't get the MOS version so have to have it retrofitted so torn about doing it. The Optics guy at the gun show said he would sell it to me for $295 which I think is a good price and put it on but I would have to have it "drilled " out first.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 02, 2022 08:30 PM (Y+l9t)

I would love to, but one of my co-workers is getting married and I have to do his job and my job for the next 3 weeks

295 isn't...terrible for a new Holosun. But you might see if you can buy a 48 MOS slide that's already milled for a holosun/RMR (same footprint usually). I've paid to have several pistols milled and the inconvenience isn't nothing.

Brownells sells such a slide for about $240.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at October 02, 2022 08:36 PM (xcxpd)

279 There was a very popular gun show in Ohio at the Chagrin Falls armory. One fellow was always there, with a large collection of .25 pistols (roll them in on a two wheel dolly in a few Kennedy machinist tool boxes). Anyway, he had a few with full military rig, holster with spare mag and cleaning rod. Some European military orgs had the theory that the higher the rank, the smaller the pistol.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 02, 2022 08:32 PM (lz5hY)
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Same here. US general officer pistols were not chambered for .45 ACP.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 02, 2022 08:36 PM (llXky)

280 Though professional ethics sorta compel me to burn at least one more before reviewing it, which means going back to my local to get another one. Darn.
Posted by: rhomboid at October 02, 2022 08:15 PM (OTzUX)

It's a sacrifice that we appreciate.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 02, 2022 08:36 PM (anj39)

281 NZFrank - you are a most dedicated travelin man, I look forward to meeting you in Corsicana.

Posted by: Colonel Travis at October 02, 2022 08:37 PM (RG7Wy)

282 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 02, 2022 08:22 PM (llXky)

I didn't think about plainclothes work, as the picture shows all of the ladies in full police uniform on the range. I just assumed that they all worked as uniformed officers. Your points are well taken.

Posted by: Ed L at October 02, 2022 08:37 PM (/lmRp)

283 I can disassemble and clean a Glock blindfolded because I carry one everyday, but...the talk of M-9s has me worried. I just may practice disassembly on that one sometime first of the week, maybe even carry one off duty.

Posted by: Eromero at October 02, 2022 08:37 PM (0OP+5)

284 I mean, what if I can;t put it back together?

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 02, 2022 08:14 PM (Y+l9t)

You own more than one, right?

Posted by: GWB

So the trick is to only take one apart at a time?

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 02, 2022 08:38 PM (Y+l9t)

285 245 whig I recall some recalls on certain lots of White Box back then. I started loading 9mm because once the economies of scale became apparent (reloading set up, primers, powder, all already in place for 38 and 45), even 9mm was a cost-saver. Also during the Obamination (later stages).
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I've purposefully kept my pistol count low because I reload enough cartridges for long rifles. At the time, 9mm was dirt cheap so I saved the brass but did not reload it until I had too. It is a bit more fussy due to the tapered case which I've found a spot of lube every ten cases or so helps when resizing it en masse.

Posted by: whig at October 02, 2022 08:38 PM (CXr4y)

286 Europe's revolver manufacturers died out under wartime pressures, so the civilian market was entirely autoloaders. The US had Colt, S&W, H&R and Iver Johnson, all with huge investments in revolver production.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 02, 2022 08:34 PM (llXky)

That's a good consideration, I hadn't weighed the results of WW I and then it's sequel.

As for JMB, PBUH, the .25 was intended to duplicate the performance of .22 LR and I'm not convinced it did so. .32 ACP seems to have been designed for his wacky new 'slide' invention. I can't ding .380 ACP as that's at least a marginal man-stopper.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at October 02, 2022 08:39 PM (xcxpd)

287 I can however clean, bullshit and drink at the same time, I am multi- talented at that.

Heh.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 02, 2022 08:39 PM (Xrfse)

288 268 Hey y'all. Can you believe my family had the gall to want dinner on Gun Thread Day? I'll just pick up here and go back to the top later.
Posted by: Oddbob at October 02, 2022 08:30 PM (nfrXX)

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Same here! I was dragged out to go eat pizza when it showed up tonight. What the hell is wrong with people these days?

Posted by: Colonel Travis at October 02, 2022 08:40 PM (RG7Wy)

289 273 For some reason, you can't find Extars in stock around here. I know I can order, but I'm just an old guy that wants product in hand when the money gets shelled out. The Ruger will suit me fine, I have an ancient, by Glock standards, G17, so I'll have magazine compatability.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 02, 2022 08:40 PM (lz5hY)

290 Since cap and ball revolvers came up, I'll mention a few things I find helpful for cleaning. I clean with plain water. Once the bore and chambers are dry, a light coat of any gun oil like RemOil will keep rust away. I keep a small bottle of it in my shooting/cleaning kit. I also keep several pipe cleaners and Q-tips handy. They are helpful to clean out and dry nipple interiors. When one end of the pipe cleaner is wet or dirty, I cut off that part with scissors on my SAK. I keep a small tube of white lithium grease in the kit to use on the nipple threads and arbor. Makes removing them much easier. I have a little brass hammer to tap the wedge in and out and have used the pliers on a Leatherman to remove recalcitrant caps.

It sounds like a lot of stuff but takes up little room in the box. The SAK is always in my pocket anyway and the Leatherman tool is always in the shooting box. After decades of use, none of my BP guns has ever had any rust.

Posted by: JTB at October 02, 2022 08:41 PM (7EjX1)

291 too tired to do a range report, & I'll read it all tomorrow ...
g'night everyone !
& thanks, Weasel!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - we are being gaslighted 24/365 at October 02, 2022 08:41 PM (8oyo2)

292 I didn't think about plainclothes work, as the picture shows all of the ladies in full police uniform on the range. I just assumed that they all worked as uniformed officers. Your points are well taken.

Posted by: Ed L at October 02, 2022 08:37 PM (/lmRp)
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It's just conjecture, but makes sense to me.

I also have a sense that Europeans - being more settled than we are - know how these things work. That is, when a gun is produced, they get that they've been caught, that's it.

If you get drilled by the cops in Europe, the assumption is you deserved it. In the US, you might get rich if you survive the experience. Totally different incentives.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 02, 2022 08:41 PM (llXky)

293 I can disassemble and clean a Glock blindfolded because I carry one everyday, but...the talk of M-9s has me worried. I just may practice disassembly on that one sometime first of the week, maybe even carry one off duty.
Posted by: Eromero at October 02, 2022 08:37 PM (0OP+5)

Heh. I used to practice field stripping my Taurus 92 blindfolded (I was Chair Force ROTC, so no real reason to do so, just liked to know I could do it). Seriously the Beretta 92 series is so lovely and easy to field strip compared to a 1911 or a CZ 75. I'd love to walk someone through it, if they feel like it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at October 02, 2022 08:41 PM (xcxpd)

294 Off Topic:

@disclosetv
JUST IN - Leftist Lula falls short of an outright win in Brazil's election and will face Bolsonaro in a runoff election on October 30th.
8:20 PM · Oct 2, 2022

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at October 02, 2022 08:41 PM (yikp0)

295 So the trick is to only take one apart at a time?
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 02, 2022 08:38 PM (Y+l9t)

Yep! And have a gun-knowledgeable friend come by (or you join them*) when you get down to only one left.

(* Maybe there's a table in the cafeteria at the range you can work at.)

Posted by: GWB at October 02, 2022 08:42 PM (W0i8D)

296 SiD, I could bring my Colt SAA, which shoots .45 Long Colt.
Posted by: Ed L
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I'm watching a video on the SAA, I have never seen one. I might try that...

Is there a difference between .45 Long Colt and .45 Colt?

I'll plan to bring the .460 if there's space for it (should be, I'm driving solo unless someone in Wyo or CO needs a lift). So now someone (not me) has to shoot it.

Posted by: screaming in digital at October 02, 2022 08:43 PM (pkAcY)

297 288 268 Hey y'all. Can you believe my family had the gall to want dinner on Gun Thread Day? I'll just pick up here and go back to the top later.
Posted by: Oddbob at October 02, 2022 08:30 PM (nfrXX)

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Same here! I was dragged out to go eat pizza when it showed up tonight. What the hell is wrong with people these days?
Posted by: Colonel Travis at October 02, 2022 08:40 PM (RG7Wy)
Here's some GrandDaddy advice for today. Old people eat supper around 1630, especially if it's chili.

Posted by: Eromero at October 02, 2022 08:43 PM (0OP+5)

298 Is there a difference between .45 Long Colt and .45 Colt?

I'll plan to bring the .460 if there's space for it (should be, I'm driving solo unless someone in Wyo or CO needs a lift). So now someone (not me) has to shoot it.

Posted by: screaming in digital at October 02, 2022 08:43 PM

45 colt is 45 long colt. Different name, same cartridge.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 02, 2022 08:44 PM (bVYXr)

299 If $$ is not a concern: H&K SP5. Arguably the most accurate, softest shooting, most rugged, most reliable, and coolest PCC on the market today. A ton of fun to shoot suppressed. If GunBroker prices are indicative, an appreciating asset.
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Posted by: Ed L at October 02, 2022 08:33 PM (/lmRp)

To be fair, performance per $ is a valid evaluation criteria, and I don't think I have ever fired anything that compares to that H&K SP5.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at October 02, 2022 08:44 PM (hOUT3)

300 Greetings and salutations Weasel and Horde!

Nice shooting with that P365 CBD! I need to get to the range with mine again and figure out if it is operator error or a bad set of sights on mine. Gotta get that figured out before actually carrying it.

Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at October 02, 2022 08:44 PM (P6llz)

301 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at October 02, 2022 08:25 PM (xcxpd)

A lot of European police officers don't have pistols as their duty weapon. They carry SMGs instead. Among them are the Spanish Garda Civil, German Polizei, Italian Carbineri, and more. Even the London Metropolitan Police have their armed officers packing MP5s.

Posted by: Ed L at October 02, 2022 08:45 PM (/lmRp)

302 So, If I buy a MOS slide for the G48, I just disassemble and reassemble wit the new slide. That's it? Doesn't require a gunsmith?

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 02, 2022 08:46 PM (Y+l9t)

303 Now that I think on it...I wonder why Europe never went for pistol power. In the US, we developed .38 super, .357 magnum...and all the other magnum rounds, in addition to starting out with .45 ACP.

IIANM, the trend in European armed forces was for officers to have handguns and the higher the grade, the smaller the gun. In fact, some of that comes through in the naming of the venerable Colt 1911. The "Government" (i.e. grunt) model is larger than the "Commander" model which is larger than the "Officer's" model.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 02, 2022 08:46 PM (nfrXX)

304 A lot of European police officers don't have pistols as their duty weapon. They carry SMGs instead. Among them are the Spanish Garda Civil, German Polizei, Italian Carbineri, and more. Even the London Metropolitan Police have their armed officers packing MP5s.
Posted by: Ed L at October 02, 2022 08:45 PM (/lmRp)

Did not know that, thankee

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at October 02, 2022 08:46 PM (xcxpd)

305 BTW, speaking of Europeans and revolvers, I saw something on a Korth .357. Evidently, the action includes diamonds and rubies and most parts are made of precious metals. $5K+.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 02, 2022 08:46 PM (lz5hY)

306 302 So, If I buy a MOS slide for the G48, I just disassemble and reassemble wit the new slide. That's it? Doesn't require a gunsmith?
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 02, 2022 08:46 PM (Y+l9t)

No gunsmith! You just take the old slide out, put your barrel and recoil spring in the new slide and put it back on your grip! Super easy.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at October 02, 2022 08:47 PM (xcxpd)

307 45 colt is 45 long colt. Different name, same cartridge.

I suspect that "Long" was informally added to the name since the C in ACP also stands for Colt.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 02, 2022 08:47 PM (nfrXX)

308 MAE,
Browning designed those cartridges for the money. During those years, crime was on the upswing and many people carried small firearms in Euroland for protection from critters--human and otherwise. Small pistols at the time required smaller cartridges and they had to be within the confines of blowback autofeeding at the time that did not require expensive machining that better systems required.

Posted by: whig at October 02, 2022 08:47 PM (CXr4y)

309 As for JMB, PBUH, the .25 was intended to duplicate the performance of .22 LR and I'm not convinced it did so. .32 ACP seems to have been designed for his wacky new 'slide' invention. I can't ding .380 ACP as that's at least a marginal man-stopper.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at October 02, 2022 08:39 PM (xcxpd)
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Paul Harrell has a video that demonstrates conclusively that .25 ACP exactly duplicates .22 LR ballistic performance from a comparable barrel without the known unreliability of rimfire armmo.

If you have to go light, use .25 ACP, not 22 LR.

As for .32 ACP, remember that .32 short and .32 long were *dominant* pistol calibers in the 1900s. (NYPD under Teddy Roosevelt used .32 Long).

What .32 ACP did was cater to that market and provide superior ballistic performance. There's a reason just about every European police force switched over to .32 ACP.

Americans constantly fret over whether or not their gun will kill what it hits, but back then the emphasis was hitting the target, not blowing big holes in the things around it.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 02, 2022 08:47 PM (llXky)

310 Thanks, Mister Scott - figured I'd better ask, as I didn't understand the difference between .45 auto rim and .45 ACP until I tried to load some auto rim into my 1911 mag.

Posted by: screaming in digital at October 02, 2022 08:47 PM (pkAcY)

311 Yay, someone else with a Windicator.
How do you like it? As compared to other, pricier wheelguns?
Posted by: GWB

Had a couple of minor malfunctions with it. Would not make it my carry gun. But for practice on the range and trying out test loads - it'll be my beater.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at October 02, 2022 08:48 PM (sd6Zs)

312 Posted by: sock_rat_eez - we are being gaslighted 24/365 at October 02, 2022 08:41 PM (8oyo2)
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Nite sock!

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 08:49 PM (0IeYL)

313 288 268 Hey y'all. Can you believe my family had the gall to want dinner on Gun Thread Day? I'll just pick up here and go back to the top later.
Posted by: Oddbob at October 02, 2022 08:30 PM (nfrXX)

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Same here! I was dragged out to go eat pizza when it showed up tonight. What the hell is wrong with people these days?
Posted by: Colonel Travis at October 02, 2022 08:40 PM (RG7Wy)
When I carry a 1911 it's a Sig 1911 TacOps. Have a smaller Colt, but why?

Posted by: Eromero at October 02, 2022 08:50 PM (0OP+5)

314 Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at October 02, 2022 08:44 PM (P6llz)
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Howdy 10GH!

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 08:50 PM (0IeYL)

315 What the hell is wrong with people these days?
Posted by: Colonel Travis

How much time you got?

Posted by: Tonypete at October 02, 2022 08:50 PM (LsEU/)

316 Also recall the infamous Miami-Dade bank robbery shootout. Multiple agents were armed with .357 Magnum revolvers, but none score good hits.

Rather than address this (and the fact that the agents didn't have long weapons handy), they blamed 9mm for being 'underpowered' and thus upgraded to .40 S&W.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 02, 2022 08:50 PM (llXky)

317 Thanks, Mister Scott - figured I'd better ask, as I didn't understand the difference between .45 auto rim and .45 ACP until I tried to load some auto rim into my 1911 mag.

Posted by: screaming in digital at October 02, 2022 08:47 PM

That wont work.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 02, 2022 08:51 PM (bVYXr)

318 What the hell is wrong with people these days?
Posted by: Colonel Travis

How much time you got?
Posted by: Tonypete at October 02, 2022 08:50 PM (LsEU/)

This is the "gun" thread,
the "what's wrong with people" thread is the upcoming MisHum ONT!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at October 02, 2022 08:52 PM (hOUT3)

319 308 MAE,
Browning designed those cartridges for the money. During those years, crime was on the upswing and many people carried small firearms in Euroland for protection from critters--human and otherwise. Small pistols at the time required smaller cartridges and they had to be within the confines of blowback autofeeding at the time that did not require expensive machining that better systems required.
Posted by: whig at October 02, 2022 08:47 PM (CXr4y)

That all I understand. But it seems like was a divergence between the US and Europe on pistol power.

It could just be as AH Lloyd said: A mix of handgun production being crippled by the wars and American revolver power creep to keep US consumers buying revolvers.

Or maybe pistols are more status/rank indicators rather than a primary man stopper in Europe???

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at October 02, 2022 08:52 PM (xcxpd)

320 Small pistols at the time required smaller cartridges and they had to be within the confines of blowback autofeeding at the time that did not require expensive machining that better systems required.

Posted by: whig at October 02, 2022 08:47 PM (CXr4y)
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The money aspect of Browning's design was coming up with .32 and .380 with dimensions that made it possible for the same basic frame to be chambered in either caliber.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 02, 2022 08:52 PM (llXky)

321 Seriously the Beretta 92 series is so lovely and easy to field strip compared to a 1911 or a CZ 75. I'd love to walk someone through it, if they feel like it.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at October 02, 2022 08:41 PM (xcxpd)
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I took a Sig 365 and Sig 320 armorers class this summer. The *complete* disassembly of a 365 is one of the most pain-in-the-assiest things I've done in a long time. Let me clarify. The disassembly is easy. The reassembly is a PITA. The only way I will walk through a 100% take down with someone is with a lot of booze and we skip the take down.

Posted by: Colonel Travis at October 02, 2022 08:53 PM (RG7Wy)

322 Also recall the infamous Miami-Dade bank robbery shootout. Multiple agents were armed with .357 Magnum revolvers, but none score good hits.

Rather than address this (and the fact that the agents didn't have long weapons handy), they blamed 9mm for being 'underpowered' and thus upgraded to .40 S&W.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 02, 2022 08:50 PM (llXky)

Well the last hit with .357 was very good. It finally ended the fight and the guy did it while badly wounded.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at October 02, 2022 08:53 PM (xcxpd)

323 MAE, that makes a lot of sense. Because the G48 was cheaper than the G48 MOS( which was totally unavailable when I wanted to buy it), it is really only about $140 extra. I got to look through a Holoson 507K green dot at one of the shows a while back and it was really clear. I have a Vortex Venom on the Kimber Aegis and it's okay but is definitely inferior to the Holosun.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 02, 2022 08:53 PM (Y+l9t)

324 -
This is the "gun" thread,
the "what's wrong with people" thread is the upcoming MisHum ONT!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at October 02, 2022 08:52 PM -
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Finally everyone can talk about me!

Posted by: irright at October 02, 2022 08:54 PM (NTUk0)

325 Americans constantly fret over whether or not their gun will kill what it hits, but back then the emphasis was hitting the target, not blowing big holes in the things around it.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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Pre-antibiotics made a gut shot from a small caliber cartridge often becoming an agonizing prolonged death. Both McKinley and Garfield would have probably survived today.

Part of the issue with smaller cartridges also came about and were possible because of the new fangled smokeless powder. Smaller bores were proportionately more affected by black powder fouling than big bores.

Posted by: whig at October 02, 2022 08:54 PM (CXr4y)

326 Posted by: Colonel Travis at October 02, 2022 08:53 PM (RG7Wy)
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I went up to Sig a few years back and took the P Series Armorers course. Very worthwhile!

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 08:54 PM (0IeYL)

327 I took a Sig 365 and Sig 320 armorers class this summer. The *complete* disassembly of a 365 is one of the most pain-in-the-assiest things I've done in a long time. Let me clarify. The disassembly is easy. The reassembly is a PITA. The only way I will walk through a 100% take down with someone is with a lot of booze and we skip the take down.
Posted by: Colonel Travis at October 02, 2022 08:53 PM (RG7Wy)

God, don't get me started on the SIG P320. That take down lever, unlike the Beretta, is so finicky about alignment and it gets damn hot after firing just a 150 rounds. Don't like it. But...it does perform, as a pistol. Just wish maintenance was easier on it. And that the trigger wasn't so damn gritty.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at October 02, 2022 08:55 PM (xcxpd)

328 Would not make it my carry gun.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at October 02, 2022 08:48 PM (sd6Zs)

Yeah, I'm using mine as my bedside gun. DA/SA revolver is handy that way.

Now... if I could get my hands on a late model Colt Python for less than the cost of a used car....

Posted by: GWB at October 02, 2022 08:55 PM (W0i8D)

329 313 288 268 Hey y'all. Can you believe my family had the gall to want dinner on Gun Thread Day? I'll just pick up here and go back to the top later.
Posted by: Oddbob at October 02, 2022 08:30 PM (nfrXX)

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Same here! I was dragged out to go eat pizza when it showed up tonight. What the hell is wrong with people these days?
Posted by: Colonel Travis at October 02, 2022 08:40 PM (RG7Wy)
When I carry a 1911 it's a Sig 1911 TacOps. Have a smaller Colt, but why?
Posted by: Eromero at October 02, 2022 08:50 PM (0OP+5)
Well that didn't make no sense. I was talking about relative 1911 size, Commander, etc. I is a moron.

Posted by: Eromero at October 02, 2022 08:55 PM (0OP+5)

330 309 It's dried up enough around here where my "shootin holler" won't be a mud hole. Maybe this week I'll drag my cheapo chronograph out and compare .25 acp out of my Beretta 950B against my NAA .22 mini. The NAA has the "long" 1.5" barrel, so with Stingers things should be about equal. Once I do the math, I bet the .25 comes out on top.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 02, 2022 08:56 PM (lz5hY)

331 Or maybe pistols are more status/rank indicators rather than a primary man stopper in Europe???

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at October 02, 2022 08:52 PM (xcxpd)
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Post WW II saw much of the civilian gun market in Europe almost entirely wiped out.

In the US, it continued to thrive and I don't think people understand how plentiful .32 revolvers were back in the day. Even now, you can find them by the dozen for ludicrously low prices - vintage Iver Johnsons and Harrington and Richardson pocket pistols. I call 'em grocery guns, because they are cheaper than buying the groceries.

Those companies (and Smith and Colt) needed to keep the revolvers competitive, so upgrading to .38 and then .357 and other loads did that.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 02, 2022 08:56 PM (llXky)

332 I have a Vortex Venom on the Kimber Aegis and it's okay but is definitely inferior to the Holosun.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 02, 2022 08:53 PM (Y+l9t)

I have a Venom on my PSA Dagger. It's ok. I prefer Holosun too, have a few of those on other pistols.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at October 02, 2022 08:56 PM (xcxpd)

333 Hey, it's that time o'nite. You all be good and ThanX! for the comradery tonight. And as always, Thank you Weasel for the time you put into this each week.

McGyver, out

Posted by: McGyver at October 02, 2022 08:57 PM (YbEGd)

334 Posted by: McGyver at October 02, 2022 08:57 PM (YbEGd)
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My pleasure. Goodnite amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 08:57 PM (0IeYL)

335 The money aspect of Browning's design was coming up with .32 and .380 with dimensions that made it possible for the same basic frame to be chambered in either caliber.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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He actually created several other quite a few obsolete cartridges as well both in the US and Euroland. The 38 ACP is one, the Swedish 9mm Browning Long is another. Neither made a lasting impression except the 38 ACP became the 38 Super and the Browning Long disappeared as it was never popular outside of the Swedish military.

Posted by: whig at October 02, 2022 08:58 PM (CXr4y)

336 Well the last hit with .357 was very good. It finally ended the fight and the guy did it while badly wounded.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at October 02, 2022 08:53 PM (xcxpd)
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Right, but look at the hit percentage overall. Abysmal, and that was marksmanship, not weak calibers.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 02, 2022 08:58 PM (llXky)

337 Posted by: screaming in digital at October 02, 2022 08:43 PM (pkAcY)

Back in the day, there was. 45 Short Colt was for the Schofield revolver which the US Cavalry preferred because it was faster to reload than the Colt SAA. The Colt SAA could chamber either 45 Long Colt or .45 Short Colt. When the Schofield was retired due to the advent of smokeless powder, the distinction fell by the wayside.

Posted by: Ed L at October 02, 2022 08:58 PM (/lmRp)

338 Welp, it's that time.

Thanks again, Weasel!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 02, 2022 08:59 PM (llXky)

339 244 9mm can be a bit of a picky cartridge as it has been around so long that chambers and throats can vary a bit, especially considering Euro firearms. My German made Sig absolutely dislikes Hornady XTP's for example due to the throat which was designed for hardball.

I've never had an issue with 45 ACP failing a check gauge--easy to reload, probably easy for MFG's to load.

Almost all of the problematic factory ammo (aside from companies that reload once fired cases) that I have found have been 7.62x39 (in AR's chambered for it or bolt guns), 223/5.56 foreign made, and 9mm. Occasionally you will see problems in domestic makes. Best domestic quality and reliability is Black Hills but pricey. Norma, Geco, and surprisingly Prvi Partisan, I have never had an issue with.
Posted by: whig at October 02, 2022 08:20 PM (CXr4y)

I'd add S&B to that list (only shot pistol cals in that).

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at October 02, 2022 08:59 PM (8C7+r)

340 Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 02, 2022 08:53 PM

sharon, I'll have a Holosun on a P365XL on Saturday.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 02, 2022 08:59 PM (a3Q+t)

341 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 02, 2022 08:59 PM (llXky)
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Nite AHL!

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 08:59 PM (0IeYL)

342 BTW, nice pic of the Auto Ord up there. At the NRA convention, some vendor had a display of one of those, an AR, and and AK all done up with exhibition grade walnut, gold plating, and engraving and displayed in fitted guitar cases. I think they must have been selling the cases.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 02, 2022 09:00 PM (nfrXX)

343 331 Iver Johnson alone cracked over a million a year a few times, maybe more as their record keeping was shaky.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 02, 2022 09:00 PM (lz5hY)

344 Right, but look at the hit percentage overall. Abysmal, and that was marksmanship, not weak calibers.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 02, 2022 08:58 PM (llXky)

Most of the agents (and one of the bad guys) were pretty bad. But in fairness to the FBI conclusions...the 9mm Silvertips repeatedly failed to penetrate to vital organs when hitting the bad guy from the side. 9mm defensive ammo has gotten much better since the 80's.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at October 02, 2022 09:01 PM (xcxpd)

345 We were going to shoot and record drops on a couple rifles this weekend, but Mother Gaia (PBUH) decided it was time to blow. I'm taking Tues. off so we can do it. Supposed to be under 10 mph, which is calm here.

Posted by: irright at October 02, 2022 09:02 PM (NTUk0)

346 "Guns, Bullets, and Gunfights: Lessons and Tales from a Modern-Day Gunfighter" by Jim Cirillo is on Kindle for 10 bucks. I'm-a buying it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at October 02, 2022 09:02 PM (xcxpd)

347 If it hasn't been noted here earlier, the Han Solo 'Blaster' used in Star Wars sold at auction a couple of weeks ago. Now, as a movie prop that's not very interesting, what is interesting is that it was actually an altered Mauser C-96.

Article and pic, oh, and 1 million dollars: https://tinyurl.com/bde9bz4v

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 02, 2022 09:03 PM (ITEMS)

348 327 I took a Sig 365 and Sig 320 armorers class this summer. The *complete* disassembly of a 365 is one of the most pain-in-the-assiest things I've done in a long time. Let me clarify. The disassembly is easy. The reassembly is a PITA. The only way I will walk through a 100% take down with someone is with a lot of booze and we skip the take down.
Posted by: Colonel Travis at October 02, 2022 08:53 PM (RG7Wy)

God, don't get me started on the SIG P320. That take down lever, unlike the Beretta, is so finicky about alignment and it gets damn hot after firing just a 150 rounds. Don't like it. But...it does perform, as a pistol. Just wish maintenance was easier on it. And that the trigger wasn't so damn gritty.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at October 02, 2022 08:55 PM (xcxpd)
I bought the first Sig P320 black that came into town. Why? Battlefield compatibility. It languishes in the safe pining for the fjords or suchlike. It could easily be traded for a good stamped Ak.

Posted by: Eromero at October 02, 2022 09:03 PM (0OP+5)

349 I'll have a Holosun on a P365XL on Saturday.

Posted by: Duncanthrax
Oh terrific. I like the replacing the slide idea. It makes putting the holosun on way easier. The Holosun is a pretty expensive upgrade so want to make sure it is what I want.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 02, 2022 09:03 PM (Y+l9t)

350 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 02, 2022 08:41 PM (llXky)

I remember one of my sergeants telling his soldiers not to mess around w/ German Polizei. He warned, "The Polizei think that Miranda is an actress with fruit on her head."

Posted by: Ed L at October 02, 2022 09:03 PM (/lmRp)

351 346 While you're at it, see if they have Bill Jordan's "No Second Place Winner".

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 02, 2022 09:04 PM (lz5hY)

352 that was marksmanship, not weak calibers.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 02, 2022 08:58 PM (llXky)

As almost all caliber discussions end, with the admonition shot placement is more important than "size". If you can't hit with it, it doesn't matter how big it is.

(And, yes, this is still a firearm discussion.

)

Posted by: GWB at October 02, 2022 09:05 PM (W0i8D)

353 351 346 While you're at it, see if they have Bill Jordan's "No Second Place Winner".
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 02, 2022 09:04 PM (lz5hY)

I have that in paperback, it's not on Kindle yet.
Good book.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at October 02, 2022 09:05 PM (xcxpd)

354 351 346 While you're at it, see if they have Bill Jordan's "No Second Place Winner".
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 02, 2022 09:04 PM (lz5hY)
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Second Place = First Loser

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 09:06 PM (0IeYL)

355 Those companies (and Smith and Colt) needed to keep the revolvers competitive, so upgrading to .38 and then .357 and other loads did that.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd

The development of the 38 Special was virtually at the same time (a year or two difference is all) as the 32 S&W Long and chambered in the new Hand Ejector series. Both were designed as upgrades from the older 32 and 38 S&W and did not use heeled bullets like the 32 and 38 Colts did as blackpowder cartridges. The 357 came about for the same reason as the 38 Super--it was to penetrate the heavy steel car doors used by criminals gangs during the 30's--the 357 was basically an upgraded 38-44 38 Special round designed for the N Frame S&W's. Like the 38 Special, the 32 S&W Long, and the 44 Special, each of these cartridges were lengthened to keep them from chambering in older blackpowder top break revolvers. Those could not stand the increased pressure from the new smokeless powder rounds. So once the pattern was set, the later 357 and 44 Magnums followed the same rules.

Posted by: whig at October 02, 2022 09:06 PM (CXr4y)

356 350 Ex BIL told the tale of he and a couple buds getting pulled over on the Autobahn. They were in a Citroen 2CV and the Polizei was not amused at their lack of speed.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 02, 2022 09:07 PM (lz5hY)

357 Got some bad news this week. Eye surgeon said not to expect any better than 20/80 in my right eye. My rifle shooting days are in the past.

Sorry to hear that, Duke. Maybe learn to shoot left-handed? My son is right-handed but cross-dominant and he found it fairly easy to change over.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 02, 2022 09:07 PM (nfrXX)

358 I'm-a buying it.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at October 02, 2022 09:02 PM (xcxpd)

Just bought it. Thanks for the heads-up!

Posted by: GWB at October 02, 2022 09:08 PM (W0i8D)

359 Gotta bail. Thanks for the thread Mr Weasel. Hope I have some actual gun report next week. Sooooooooon.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at October 02, 2022 09:10 PM (bgJ0E)

360 I'd add S&B to that list (only shot pistol cals in that).

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf
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I had problems with resizing their 9mm back in the Obammy days and don't care at all for their 303 British brass. Think I have some 32 Long in wadcutters that I have not shot yet but my personal experience is Prvi brass is better for reloading purposes. On some oddball cartridges like the 7.5 Swiss or the 7.5 French, it is THE brass to obtain for reloading as the rest of it is berdan primed.

Posted by: whig at October 02, 2022 09:10 PM (CXr4y)

361 Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at October 02, 2022 09:10 PM (bgJ0E)
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Soon brother!

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 09:10 PM (0IeYL)

362 . Don't like it. But...it does perform, as a pistol. Just wish maintenance was easier on it. And that the trigger wasn't so damn gritty.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at October 02, 2022 08:55 PM (xcxpd)
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I've got the legion model, pretty good trigger. There is a tool from The Sig Armorer that makes maintenance on a 320 easier. It's kind of a luxury item for other 320 models but I got it because there is one thing it can do for a Legion that makes it worth the money for me. Legion has a recoil spring kind of like a 1911, the spring and rod are separate and it's a pain in the ass to get them back in. I've had them shoot across the room just missing getting seated. The SA block makes it a breeze to put them back.

Posted by: Colonel Travis at October 02, 2022 09:10 PM (RG7Wy)

363 353 354 Haven't looked lately, but there were some Bill Jordan videos on YouTube, stuff like him dropping a ball, drawing, and blasting the ball before it hits ground.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 02, 2022 09:11 PM (lz5hY)

364 Article and pic, oh, and 1 million dollars: https://tinyurl.com/bde9bz4v
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 02, 2022 09:03 PM (ITEMS)

I have somewhere the article about building a nearly-like using an AR-15 receiver with a non-buffered .22 BCG and a scope and such. It was actually pretty nicely done. And *it* actually worked as a gun.

Imagine the bad guy? "WTF? Is that a blaster?!" BLAM! "Ahhhhh! That hurt!"

Posted by: GWB at October 02, 2022 09:11 PM (W0i8D)

365 Weasel thank you for posting my Walker photo, thanks for all you do here.

Posted by: Colonel Travis at October 02, 2022 09:12 PM (RG7Wy)

366 want to make sure it is what I want.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 02, 2022 09:03 PM (Y+l9t)

And you have an un-milled old slide if you want/need to revert to regular sights for some reason.

Posted by: GWB at October 02, 2022 09:12 PM (W0i8D)

367 I wonder if Rancher Bob and Cow Horse Queen have to filter those hay rolls for lead and copper before using for feed . . .

Posted by: RI Red at October 02, 2022 09:13 PM (0I07e)

368 I want to thank all of you that have chosen to come to the TXMoMe. I can only say that meeting all of you and sharing food, guns and laughter brings me such joy.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 02, 2022 09:13 PM (EE7s+)

369 Posted by: Colonel Travis at October 02, 2022 09:12 PM (RG7Wy)
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Absolutely my pleasure, Colonel T! Thank you for participating!!

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 09:13 PM (0IeYL)

370 Thanks Weasel. Hope you and all have a good time in Corsicana. Good night.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 02, 2022 09:13 PM (lz5hY)

371 Time to get food.
See folks later.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at October 02, 2022 09:14 PM (xcxpd)

372 S&B brass, for a handgun reloader, has been one of the only problematic ones. High quality, for sure. One issue: very tight primer pockets. For a while, with 9mm brass, I just segregated the S&B out, preferring not to deal with it.

For reasons lost to memory (probably did a quick ream on the pockets, and then on 3rd/4th/reloading etc they'd opened up and were "normal"), they ended up back in the general 9mm population. And I think their 45ACP brass pockets are a bit snug as well, but I don't have much of it in my stash.

Which reminds me, as I'm loading 45 these days. I need to keep an eye out for my WWII brass. Pretty sure I've got 45ACP brass with (worn) headstamps for the Denver, and Twin Cities, government arsenals. The stuff does last.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 02, 2022 09:14 PM (OTzUX)

373 363 353 354 Haven't looked lately, but there were some Bill Jordan videos on YouTube, stuff like him dropping a ball, drawing, and blasting the ball before it hits ground.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 02, 2022 09:11 PM (lz5hY)
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Bill Jordan has a great book that was still in print the last time that I checked, No Second Place Winner. Great book on how to shoot double action revolvers accurately. Ed McGivern's book is a bit more useful on trick shooting but Bill Jordan's book focuses on competition and serious purpose shooting.

Posted by: whig at October 02, 2022 09:14 PM (CXr4y)

374 Posted by: Ben Had at October 02, 2022 09:13 PM (EE7s+)
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Thank YOU and RB and CHQ!!

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 09:15 PM (0IeYL)

375 Thanks everyone for all the great advice.
Also, Weasel, took your paractice,practice, practice advice to heart which is why we all brought our own stuff to the range this weekend.
Have a good week all.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 02, 2022 09:15 PM (Y+l9t)

376 Thanks Weasel for all the work you put in here.
Crazy, but once I though October was so very far away, and now we are almost three days into it!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at October 02, 2022 09:15 PM (hOUT3)

377 Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 02, 2022 09:13 PM (lz5hY)
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Happy to do it, goodnite bia!

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 09:16 PM (0IeYL)

378 Back in the day, there was. 45 Short Colt was for the Schofield revolver which the US Cavalry preferred because it was faster to reload than the Colt SAA. The Colt SAA could chamber either 45 Long Colt or .45 Short Colt. When the Schofield was retired due to the advent of smokeless powder, the distinction fell by the wayside.
Posted by: Ed L
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Ah. Thanks, that makes sense.

Posted by: screaming in digital at October 02, 2022 09:16 PM (pkAcY)

379 368 Ben Had,

I wished that I could come but medical issues regarding another round of procedures is in October and having issues with a parent in memory care.

Posted by: whig at October 02, 2022 09:16 PM (CXr4y)

380 Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 02, 2022 09:15 PM (Y+l9t)
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You're making great progress. Keep up the good work!

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 09:17 PM (0IeYL)

381 Ben Had, we are going to be seeing you soon. I've forgotten/lost the caliber of red wine you like.

Posted by: RI Red at October 02, 2022 09:17 PM (0I07e)

382
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at October 02, 2022 09:15 PM (hOUT3)
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My pleasure. Thank you amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 09:18 PM (0IeYL)

383 -
Ben Had, we are going to be seeing you soon. I've forgotten/lost the caliber of red wine you like.

Posted by: RI Red at October 02, 2022 09:17 PM -
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First guess would be a magnum.

Posted by: irright at October 02, 2022 09:19 PM (NTUk0)

384 378 Back in the day, there was. 45 Short Colt was for the Schofield revolver which the US Cavalry preferred because it was faster to reload than the Colt SAA. The Colt SAA could chamber either 45 Long Colt or .45 Short Colt. When the Schofield was retired due to the advent of smokeless powder, the distinction fell by the wayside.
Posted by: Ed L
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Ah. Thanks, that makes sense.

Posted by: screaming in digital
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A bit of aside on Ed's post. SASS competitors (Old Western loving types) have brought back the 45 Schofield for the same reason that he cites. Speed of reloading the shorter cartridges during shooting competitions. Same as shooting 38 Special in a firearm chambered for 357 Magnum.

Posted by: whig at October 02, 2022 09:20 PM (CXr4y)

385 whig, I give you special dispensation but I know that you would be among your people here.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 02, 2022 09:20 PM (EE7s+)

386 I had problems with resizing their (S&B) 9mm back in the Obammy days...

Last year I worked my way through a big bucket of mixed brand .45 brass. Sometimes I would have one that took extra force to decap or size and when I would check the head and it was always an S&B case. That said, I haven't had any actual problems with them.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 02, 2022 09:21 PM (nfrXX)

387 Weasel, just thinking, and probably too late to incorporate:
AR-15 Basics For Everybody.
It is America's Rifle, after all.

Posted by: RI Red at October 02, 2022 09:21 PM (0I07e)

388 Ben Had,

I wished that I could come but medical issues regarding another round of procedures is in October and having issues with a parent in memory care.
Posted by: whig
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Similar here. I'd like to be there so much I can taste it, but personal circumstances make that impossible.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 02, 2022 09:21 PM (gMoVp)

389 First guess would be a magnum.
Posted by: irright at October 02, 2022 09:19 PM (NTUk0)

Jeroboam

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at October 02, 2022 09:22 PM (hOUT3)

390 322 Also recall the infamous Miami-Dade bank robbery shootout. Multiple agents were armed with .357 Magnum revolvers, but none score good hits.

Rather than address this (and the fact that the agents didn't have long weapons handy), they blamed 9mm for being 'underpowered' and thus upgraded to .40 S&W.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at October 02, 2022 08:50 PM (llXky)

Well the last hit with .357 was very good. It finally ended the fight and the guy did it while badly wounded.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at October 02, 2022 08:53 PM (xcxpd)

IIRC, three of the first agents to engage and to hit the guy blasting at them with a Ruger Mini-14 were carrying S&W 9mm semi-auto pistols. That's why the FBI soured on 9mm.

Posted by: Gref at October 02, 2022 09:22 PM (AMIL/)

391 Posted by: whig at October 02, 2022 09:06 PM (CXr4y)

Whig, I have a Colt Model 1901 revolver in .38 Long Colt. That revolver WILL chamber .38 Special and .357 Magnum. I checked using snap caps (of course). Apparently the folks at S&W forgot about the old Colt. I'm pretty sure that any Colt New Army revolver in .38 Long Colt will blow up in your face if it's loaded with live .357 Magnum rounds.

Posted by: Ed L at October 02, 2022 09:23 PM (/lmRp)

392 387 Weasel, just thinking, and probably too late to incorporate:
AR-15 Basics For Everybody.
It is America's Rifle, after all.
Posted by: RI Red at October 02, 2022 09:21 PM (0I07e)
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I'll toss one into the trunk. Thanks for the idea!

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 09:24 PM (0IeYL)

393 Weasel no it was Ian. "Apocalyptic storm destroys tobacco infrastructure"
Posted by: rhomboid at October 02, 2022 07:27 PM (OTzUX)

Hopefully non of the '57 Chevys with Russian tractor engines were damaged by flooding.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 02, 2022 09:24 PM (9hm8C)

394 whig, the reason the MoMe is here is because with all the mouths I feed everyday I can not travel so I brought the MoMe here! With tons of help.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 02, 2022 09:26 PM (EE7s+)

395 Ben Had,
Emails and pings sent as we discussed.

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 02, 2022 09:30 PM (U2p+3)

396 Excellent, Weasel. I suspect an AR15 session would be a full house.
Ben Had, maybe all y'all can make this a week-long excursion next year.

Posted by: RI Red at October 02, 2022 09:31 PM (0I07e)

397 *hic*

Posted by: Hillary, The Moderate Alternative In 2026 at October 02, 2022 09:31 PM (Qzn2/)

398 396 Excellent, Weasel. I suspect an AR15 session would be a full house.
Ben Had, maybe all y'all can make this a week-long excursion next year.
Posted by: RI Red at October 02, 2022 09:31 PM (0I07e)
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I really like the idea! I've been doing the same rifle thing for a few years now and would like to add something different. I'll have an update in the thread next week.

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 09:33 PM (0IeYL)

399 Whig, I have a Colt Model 1901 revolver in .38 Long Colt. That revolver WILL chamber .38 Special and .357 Magnum. I checked using snap caps (of course). Apparently the folks at S&W forgot about the old Colt. I'm pretty sure that any Colt New Army revolver in .38 Long Colt will blow up in your face if it's loaded with live .357 Magnum rounds.

Posted by: Ed L
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Twas not a perfect rule and S&W probably did not care about the old 38 Long Colt. From people who have fired 38 Special in them, it generally results in split cases, some reports some spitting, and is inaccurate. The 357 Magnum came about forty years after the Long Colt was defunct. The 38 ACP is a similarly dangerous obsolete firearm as a 38 Super cartridge will chamber in it and fire.

Posted by: whig at October 02, 2022 09:33 PM (CXr4y)

400 392 387 Weasel, just thinking, and probably too late to incorporate:
AR-15 Basics For Everybody.
It is America's Rifle, after all.
Posted by: RI Red at October 02, 2022 09:21 PM (0I07e)
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I'll toss one into the trunk. Thanks for the idea!
Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 09:24 PM (0IeYL)
You mean you didn't already have one in teh trunk?!!?

Posted by: Eromero at October 02, 2022 09:33 PM (0OP+5)

401 Gotta go have dinner with the family.
Thanks Weasel! Great thread as usual. I can't keep up with comments as they pour in so quick. I will catch up tomorrow.

Good night all!

Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at October 02, 2022 09:33 PM (P6llz)

402 Ben Had and Nurse R, when is the shoot and scoot? I may want to amble over from the rifle range.

Posted by: RI Red at October 02, 2022 09:33 PM (0I07e)

403 Weasel, just thinking, and probably too late to incorporate:
AR-15 Basics For Everybody.

Hmmm, I wonder how hard it would be to print full color copies of the Army M-16 comic book?

Posted by: Oddbob at October 02, 2022 09:34 PM (nfrXX)

404 Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at October 02, 2022 09:33 PM (P6llz)
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Goodnite and thanks, 10GH!

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 09:36 PM (0IeYL)

405 RI Red, we are Camp MoMe

Weasel , we have an AR with night vision available for those that wish to try it.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 02, 2022 09:36 PM (EE7s+)

406 Posted by: Oddbob at October 02, 2022 09:34 PM (nfrXX)

You can order it on Amazon for $12.95.

Posted by: Ed L at October 02, 2022 09:37 PM (/lmRp)

407 394 whig, the reason the MoMe is here is because with all the mouths I feed everyday I can not travel so I brought the MoMe here! With tons of help.

Posted by: Ben Had
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I totally understand the reasons and my wife would have loved to see your horse barn setup as she grew up riding horses. Just a bit wistful as last year I had to give it a miss as I was tending a sick parent requiring a pacemaker and a fil in the hospital who was near death from cancer. October recently has not been a great month for me personally.

Posted by: whig at October 02, 2022 09:37 PM (CXr4y)

408 Red,
Friday afternoon. If there's continued interest, we can do Saturday as well.

I will send an email to weasel this week regarding the IDPA rules and verbiage we will be using. Folks should review it in detail before arriving.

Whoofreakinghoo!!!!!

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 02, 2022 09:37 PM (U2p+3)

409 Posted by: RI Red at October 02, 2022 09:33 PM (0I07e)
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Schedule up in the thread part of the thread.

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 09:37 PM (0IeYL)

410 Hmmm, I wonder how hard it would be to print full color copies of the Army M-16 comic book?
Posted by: Oddbob at October 02, 2022 09:34 PM (nfrXX)

"How To Strip Your Baby" comes to mind.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 02, 2022 09:38 PM (R/m4+)

411 Weasel , we have an AR with night vision available for those that wish to try it.
Posted by: Ben Had at October 02, 2022 09:36 PM (EE7s+)
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Excellent. I have a carbine with nice optics I'll bring along, too.

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 09:39 PM (0IeYL)

412 Schedule up in the thread part of the thread.
Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 09:37 PM (0IeYL)

Hmm, recursive scheduling?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at October 02, 2022 09:39 PM (hOUT3)

413 Not a bad idea, Weasel. Long range is a bit intimidating, but you could get a lot of smiles from steel at 100-300 yards from an AR.
I'm betting a bunch of Ettes would love it, as well as a bunch of Morons who may be open to getting acquainted/reacquainted.
If you need more platforms, the call would be answered, I'd say.

Posted by: RI Red at October 02, 2022 09:40 PM (0I07e)

414 Good evening horde....seems I'm late to the thread tonight.

Posted by: redchief at October 02, 2022 09:40 PM (kMCI0)

415 Hmm, recursive scheduling?
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at October 02, 2022 09:39 PM (hOUT3)
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We all know the good stuff is in the comments!

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 09:41 PM (0IeYL)

416 I applaud everyone involved in the MoMe, sounds like a blast.

Posted by: irright at October 02, 2022 09:42 PM (NTUk0)

417 If you need more platforms, the call would be answered, I'd say.
Posted by: RI Red

I rate this statement as mostly true!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at October 02, 2022 09:42 PM (hOUT3)

418 Posted by: RI Red at October 02, 2022 09:40 PM (0I07e)
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We could probably use some xtra plain 55gr .223/5.56mm if you have some laying around.

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 09:43 PM (0IeYL)

419 Thanks for the thread Weasel.

A technical question for submissions--picture formats and resolutions that are preferred and or would you prefer links to other sources. I can also post self contained compressed video. I have tech tools for creating/editing videos and compression of them as I had to learn them for a project.

Others have my favorite firearm posts covered so I was thinking about submitting classic problems in diagnosing problems in firearms or reloading with pictures/video slide show/etc. Since I tinker with them, I have a fair collection of bits and pieces that show how firearms work or don't work or different gunsmithing tools.

Posted by: whig at October 02, 2022 09:43 PM (CXr4y)

420 We could probably use some xtra plain 55gr .223/5.56mm if you have some laying around.
Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 09:43 PM (0IeYL)

I'll check behind the sofa.

Posted by: RI Red at October 02, 2022 09:46 PM (0I07e)

421 Better late than never to this excellent edition of the Gun Thread. Lots of hours at work, not enough hours to glom onto the thread in time.

Two quick things. I'll bring a certain essential supply of great advantage to the gun cleaning arts. Shhh, I'm not tellin' what it is, you'll just have to be there to get yours.

And I'll be pleased to demonstrate my unorthodox 1911 reassembly drill, which has proven for me to be "proof" against spring launchage.

Lookin' forward to seein y'all in Corsicana!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at October 02, 2022 09:46 PM (e6UQI)

422 419 Thanks for the thread Weasel.

A technical question for submissions--picture formats and resolutions that are preferred and or would you prefer links to other sources. I can also post self contained compressed video. I have tech tools for creating/editing videos and compression of them as I had to learn them for a project.

Others have my favorite firearm posts covered so I was thinking about submitting classic problems in diagnosing problems in firearms or reloading with pictures/video slide show/etc. Since I tinker with them, I have a fair collection of bits and pieces that show how firearms work or don't work or different gunsmithing tools.
Posted by: whig at October 02, 2022 09:43 PM (CXr4y)
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My pleasure.

Re pics - just send the original picture and I will crop/resize as needed. Videos - just a link ((YT is easiest)

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 09:46 PM (0IeYL)

423 A great thread. Thanxs Weasel.
Good night everyone.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 02, 2022 09:47 PM (anj39)

424 Oops! 9:47 thank you time!

Thank you!!!

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 09:47 PM (0IeYL)

425 So,I tend to lurk here each week. You all make me feel timid at my shooting skills.
However this weekend I totally kicked it with my Henry that I never shot before. Tight group. What a blast!

Posted by: COMountainMarie at October 02, 2022 09:47 PM (I/tQe)

426 Re pics - just send the original picture and I will crop/resize as needed. Videos - just a link ((YT is easiest)

Posted by: Weasel
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Got it. I have used the Ken Burns type techniques before on other projects so I will see about getting a YT account.

Posted by: whig at October 02, 2022 09:48 PM (CXr4y)

427 Posted by: Diogenes at October 02, 2022 09:47 PM (anj39)
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Happy to do it!!

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 09:48 PM (0IeYL)

428
We could probably use some xtra plain 55gr .223/5.56mm if you have some laying around.

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 09:43 PM

we'll be bringing some extra AR feed with us

and the spotting scope. mustn't forget the spotting scope

Posted by: AltonJackson at October 02, 2022 09:48 PM (ENBF0)

429 Thanks, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at October 02, 2022 09:49 PM (/lmRp)

430 Good for you, COMM!

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 02, 2022 09:50 PM (U2p+3)

431 Thanks as always Weasel. Cigar email in your inbox this week.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 02, 2022 09:50 PM (OTzUX)

432 Thanks Weasel, this is gonna be great!

Posted by: Eromero at October 02, 2022 09:51 PM (0OP+5)

433 What model Henry, COMM? Great company.

Posted by: RI Red at October 02, 2022 09:51 PM (0I07e)

434 Posted by: COMountainMarie at October 02, 2022 09:47 PM (I/tQe)
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Excellent!

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 09:52 PM (0IeYL)

435 Posted by: AltonJackson at October 02, 2022 09:48 PM (ENBF0)
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THANK YOU!

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 09:53 PM (0IeYL)

436 Posted by: rhomboid at October 02, 2022 09:50 PM (OTzUX)
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Appreciate it!

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 09:53 PM (0IeYL)

437 Posted by: Eromero at October 02, 2022 09:51 PM (0OP+5)
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Absolutely!

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 09:53 PM (0IeYL)

438 Posted by: Diogenes at October 02, 2022 09:47 PM (anj39)
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Thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 09:55 PM (0IeYL)

439 Posted by: Ed L at October 02, 2022 09:49 PM (/lmRp)
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You bet, amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 09:55 PM (0IeYL)

440 We could probably use some xtra plain 55gr .223/5.56mm if you have some laying around.
Posted by: Weasel
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I should be able to bring some to share.

Posted by: screaming in digital at October 02, 2022 09:56 PM (pkAcY)

441 433

It's a 22. That's all I know. It belonged to my late husband. Lovely gun to shoot. Gonna work with it more...much fun!

Posted by: COMountainMarie at October 02, 2022 09:56 PM (I/tQe)

442 Posted by: screaming in digital at October 02, 2022 09:56 PM (pkAcY)
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Thank you, SiD! Cant wait to see you again.

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 09:58 PM (0IeYL)

443 My Hellcat smacks my hand hard. I'm done after 100 rounds.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 02, 2022 09:58 PM (ybIRR)

444 In a fit of tidiness, i scrapped out several old gasoline and wind generators yesterday and today. Got a nice heavy box of scrap copper ($$$ at the scrapyard), and some nice cold-rolled steel shafting that might make adequate pistol barrels. I have a vague idea of making a smooth-bore percussion pistol to fire small shot for gopher and pigeon control purposed.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 02, 2022 09:58 PM (9Lezx)

445 Still contemplating bringing a couple bolt actions with me, but I just don't trust it.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at October 02, 2022 09:58 PM (VwHCD)

446 COMM, Henry 22 is top shelf. Golden Boy.
If you are attending, bring it and it will be much loved.

Posted by: RI Red at October 02, 2022 09:58 PM (0I07e)

447 OK, ONT is up, y'all. Thanks for being here tonight and hope to see you next Sunday!!

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 09:59 PM (0IeYL)

448 Nice night, again, Boss.
Short time to TX. We are in great anticipation. Both Reds!

Posted by: RI Red at October 02, 2022 10:03 PM (0I07e)

449 Posted by: RI Red at October 02, 2022 10:03 PM (0I07e)
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Thanks, bro. Looking forward to it!!

Posted by: Weasel at October 02, 2022 10:06 PM (0IeYL)

450 Time to go upstairs...love these weasel times....

Posted by: COMountainMarie at October 02, 2022 10:07 PM (I/tQe)

451 I have a vague idea of making a smooth-bore percussion pistol to fire small shot for gopher and pigeon control purposed.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Search for Garden Guns for some potential designs. Used to be a thing when people had them.

Posted by: whig at October 02, 2022 10:34 PM (CXr4y)

452 Here a couple things I've learned about the Walker.
I'm not an expert, but I do have some experience with loading and shooting this beast.
Although you can cram 60 grains of powder in there I backed it off
to about 57, which still gives you a hell of a bang!
The trick to avoiding the dreaded "chainfire" is not to slather grease all over the ends of the chambers, but rather to insure there is absolutely NO residual powder anywhere on the end of the cylinder and frame.
Save the grease for on top of a felt wad which goes on top of the powder, then ram the ball on that. This really helps when it comes time to clean it.
As you ram the ball it may shave a little lead off the sides. This insures a tight, gas proof fit that eliminates chainfires.
When you fire this thing, the loading lever is definitely going to drop, I use an small elastic hair band to stop this.
Lastly, when you cock the hammer for the next shot, with your finger off the trigger, rotate the gun so the muzzle is up.
As you cock the hammer it will help the expended cap to fall free.
The biggest pain I've found is having to take t

Posted by: TBone at October 03, 2022 01:02 AM (xjv4A)

453 the gun apart to retrieve a spent cap.

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