THE MORNING RANT: Utterly Predictable Fraud at “Zero Emission” Vehicle Startup, and the Prominent CEOs Who Fell for the Hoax

You’ll never believe this, but the founder of a ~~snake oil~~ “zero-emission” vehicle start-up is being tried in federal court for engaging in fraud against investors.

Nikola Motor Company had been promising zero-emission heavy trucks and various forms of zero-emission personal vehicles (including electric vehicles) for years, and because EV fanboys are so desperate to be seduced by smooth-talking confidence men promoting the EV vision, Nikola’s founder, Trevor Milton, had a huge number of people ready and willing ~~to be fleeced~~ to invest.

Nikola Corp. founder accused of fraud in trial's opening [AP – 9/13/2022]

In 2020, Nikola's stock price plunged and investors suffered heavy losses as reports questioned Milton's claims that the company had already produced zero-emission 18-wheel trucks fueled by hydrogen gas.
The company paid $125 million last year to settle a civil case against it by the Securities and Exchange Commission. Nikola, which continues to operate from an Arizona headquarters, didn’t admit any wrongdoing.

You’ve got to appreciate Milton’s moxie. Investors have been so brainwashed by the sustainable, green evangelizing of politicians and the media, that they were desperate to throw their money at Milton. He even produced a pretend vehicle to keep people excited.

In his opening, [US Attorney Nicolas Roos] promised that witnesses would show that Milton was committing fraud when he staged an “unveiling” of what he described as a fully functioning truck that was actually missing major parts like gears and motors and that had to be plugged into a wall's electrical socket to turn on its lights.

But there were videos of it rolling down the highway!

Well it was “rolling” all right. “Coasting” might be a more accurate term.

Roos said Milton “doubled down” with the fraud a year later when a video was released that showed the truck supposedly operating when it was really just rolling down a hill.

What about “pre-orders?” As I’ve written about recently, part of the EV scam is press releases, enthusiastically promoted by a credulous media, which generate excitement by talking about a huge number of pre-ordered vehicles.

Roos said Milton also was lying when he claimed billions of dollars in orders had been booked. In reality, the prosecutor said, 95% of the reservations were “just expressions of interest, but were reservations that could be canceled at any time.”

Here’s a short video with Mr. Milton repeatedly stating that “This is a real truck. This is not a “pusher’.” Real trucks produce their own propulsion. This one was propelled by gravity. It was not a real truck.

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Speaking of People Duped by Nikola and Trevor Milton…

Among the gullible suckers duped by Mr. Milton was…the CEO of General Motors.

Trevor Milton founded buzzy EV company Nikola and positioned himself as the next Elon Musk—then his $34 billion house of cards came crashing down [Fortune – 9/13/2022]

He even duped a gullible General Motors, who signed a partnership just weeks before his elaborate ruse was uncovered.
When GM signed the deal, CEO Mary Barra failed to properly explain what technology her company was actually securing. Hindenburg Research was convinced GM merely looked to bask in the collective shine of its charismatic founder, “a forward-thinking, fresh, visionary entrepreneur capable of rivaling Elon Musk’s allure.”

GM has thousands of employees who could have quickly sniffed out this fraud, simply from their expertise in operating, designing, and manufacturing mass market vehicles. Unfortunately for GM, their CEO is not one of those employees.

Not only did Mary Barra take the bait on the Nikola fraud. She has swallowed the EV fad hook, line, and sinker, promising that GM will go 100% electric by 2035. Although I love to laugh at woke fools in corporate executive suites, it breaks my heart that Barra and her fellow GM executives are taking actions that will destroy a once-great company and put tens of thousands of American workers out of their jobs.

If anyone is working on a perpetual motion machine, or perhaps a machine that can spin straw into gold, give your contraption an eco-name of some sort, and then give Ms. Barra a call. You can bet she’ll throw some of GM’s remaining treasure at it.

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And Still Speaking of Nikola and Awful CEOs

Did you notice that the Nikola truck in that video had the livery of US Xpress on it? But of course.

As I documented a couple weeks ago, US Xpress went woke in 2021 and now it’s in deep financial peril, furiously letting go of staff as its stock price tanks and it hemorrhages cash.

Mr. Fuller made it very clear that the focus of his leadership had nothing to do with shipping goods, or making a profit, but instead on things such as creating “a safe space for open dialogue about important issues that impact women, the LGBTQ+ community…”
Actually, you could predict exactly what happened next - the company started circling the drain. It had a massive financial loss in the first quarter of 2022 and then laid off about 5% of its workforce.
Did that cure US Xpress’ woes? No, it did not. Another awful quarter just led to another massive round of layoffs.

US Xpress’ death-by-mismanagement was clearly foretold when looking at old headlines such as this one from back in 2016…

U.S. Xpress to add Nikola’s hydrogen-electric truck [Fleet Owner – 12/13/2016]

U.S. Xpress Enterprises Inc. announced that the company is one of the first and the largest truckload carrier to order the Nikola One. The company said it expects the zero-emission, hydrogen-electric semi-truck will be a part of its fleet when the Nikola Motor Company starts production in 2020.

Seriously, is there an easier mark than a woke, left-wing CEO?

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Songs of the Season

Enough about the EV scam. It’s Friday, and it’s the most wonderful time of the year – early Fall!

So whatever happened to Harvest Moon being a thing in early Fall? In my younger days, the first school dance was likely to be the Harvest Moon Dance. There were Harvest Moon festivals, and the first autumnal advertising was likely to invoke the Harvest Moon.

The Harvest Moon is usually in the latter part of September, and sometimes even in early October, but this year it came early, on September 10.

Here’s a beautiful version of Neil Young’s “Harvest Moon” that is fully compliant with Throckmorton’s Law. Have a great weekend!

”Harvest Moon” – The Brothers Comatose & A.J. Lee

(buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com)

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at 11:00 AM

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1 sponge

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 16, 2022 11:00 AM (LvTSG)

2 turd

Posted by: Buddy at September 16, 2022 11:01 AM (FCbAQ)

3 I’ve been away for the past couple of months assessing my divorce situation. We’re now at the point where the state of PA is garnishing my checks to pay for my ex-wife to stay in school for another 2 years. She refuses to work and barely talks to me. With the amount of money the state is taking from me, I can barely afford my rent, much less things like food. My situation is considered fucked with a capital F.

Posted by: Homer's Donuts at September 16, 2022 11:01 AM (BCSAN)

4 Greeble.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at September 16, 2022 11:01 AM (9nXhD)

5 oops. One off

Posted by: Buddy at September 16, 2022 11:01 AM (FCbAQ)

6 Fuck, I said too much, can you redact most of that, please?

Posted by: Homer's Donuts at September 16, 2022 11:01 AM (BCSAN)

7 We are having our first week of cool and dry mornings here.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 16, 2022 11:02 AM (yQpMk)

8 ...and it’s the most wonderful time of the year – early Fall!

Just got back from Eastern Washington State. The wheat fields are golden and the combines are busy. It is beautiful.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 16, 2022 11:02 AM (anj39)

9 But my investment in Elio motors, and the deposit I paid to get on the wait list for one of their first produced vehicles, is still sound...right?

Posted by: EV fanboy and trust fund moron at September 16, 2022 11:03 AM (JCZqz)

10 Going Green, written by Robert Flocius, Partner at Boston Capital.

Probably the best post ever published on the subject of zero-emissions. Definitely worth the read!

"Batteries do not create electricity – they store electricity produced elsewhere, especially through coal, uranium, natural-powered power plants or diesel-powered generators.” So the claim that an electric car is a zero-emission vehicle is not true at all.

Since forty percent of the electricity produced in the United States comes from coal power plants, thus forty percent of the electric cars on the road are carbon-based.

But that's not all of it. Those who are excited about electric cars and a green revolution, should take a closer look at the batteries, but also wind turbines and solar panels.

A typical electric car battery weighs a thousand pounds, roughly the size of a suitcase. It contains 25 pounds of lithium, sixty pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds of cobalt, 200 pounds of copper and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel and plastic. There are over 6,000 individual lithium ion cells inside.
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Posted by: rickb223 at September 16, 2022 11:03 AM (HspZ0)

11 Hindenburg Research was convinced GM merely looked to bask in the collective shine of its charismatic founder, “a forward-thinking, fresh, visionary entrepreneur capable of rivaling Elon Musk’s allure.”

Heh. If that's not a joke, it's very fortuitous and apropos.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2022 11:03 AM (ayzS/)

12 11 Hindenburg Research was convinced GM merely looked to bask in the collective shine of its charismatic founder, “a forward-thinking, fresh, visionary entrepreneur capable of rivaling Elon Musk’s allure.”

Heh. If that's not a joke, it's very fortuitous and apropos.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2022 11:03 AM (ayzS/)

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Do they make the good blue stuff?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 16, 2022 11:03 AM (LvTSG)

13 GM was never great.

Posted by: H Ford at September 16, 2022 11:04 AM (7bRMQ)

14 With the amount of money the state is taking from me, I can barely afford my rent, much less things like food. My situation is considered fucked with a capital F.
Posted by: Homer's Donuts at September 16, 2022 11:01 AM (BCSAN)

That sucks.
Must be because of your toxic masculinity and privilege.

I wonder if you transition, could you sue her for support?
Not to make too much light of the situation. It does suck.

Posted by: Buddy at September 16, 2022 11:04 AM (FCbAQ)

15 To make each BEV battery, you'll need to process 25,000 pounds of salt for lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for cobalt, 5,000 pounds of resin for nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore from copper. In total, you have to dig out 500,000 pounds of dirt for a battery.

The biggest problem with solar systems is the chemicals used to turn silicate into the gravel used for the panels.

To produce sufficient clean silicon, it must be treated with hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, fluoride, trichlorotane and acetone.
In addition, gallium, arsenide, copper-indium-gallium diselenide and cadmium telluride are needed, which are also highly toxic. In addition, silicone dust poses a danger to the workers and the tiles cannot be recycled

Wind turbines are non-plusultra in terms of cost and environmental destruction.

Each windmill weighs 1,688 tonnes (the equivalent of the weight of 23 houses) and contains 1300 tonnes of concrete, 295 tonnes of steel, 48 tonnes of iron, 24 tonnes of fiberglass and the hard-to-win rare soils Neodym, Praseodym, and Dys to prosium.
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Posted by: rickb223 at September 16, 2022 11:04 AM (HspZ0)

16 Each of the three blades weighs 81,000 pounds and has a lifespan of 15 to 20 years, after which they must be replaced. We cannot recycle used rotor blades.

Admittedly, these technologies can have their place, but you have to look beyond the myth of emission freedom.

“Going Green” may sound like a utopian ideal, but if you look at the hidden and embedded costs in a realistic and impartial way, you’ll find that “Going Green" does more damage to earth’s environment than it seems.

I'm not opposed to mining, electric vehicles, wind or solar energy. But this is the reality of the situation.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 16, 2022 11:04 AM (HspZ0)

17 Harvest Moon? We got some middle-aged romance films to push.

Posted by: The Hallmark Channel at September 16, 2022 11:05 AM (JkeTM)

18 "Nikola," eh? As in Nikola Tesla? That should have been obvious as a ploy from the very start.

Posted by: Francis W. Porretto at September 16, 2022 11:05 AM (z/nZY)

19 Will people please stop using my name for their crap products?

Posted by: zombie Nikola Tesla at September 16, 2022 11:06 AM (9nXhD)

20 fuck Homer. Mine wasn't that bad. I hope you can find some peace and some relief somehow.

Posted by: SturmToddler at September 16, 2022 11:06 AM (Mkvkw)

21 In his opening, [US Attorney Nicolas Roos] promised that witnesses would show that Milton was committing fraud when he staged an “unveiling” of what he described as a fully functioning truck that was actually missing major parts like gears and motors and that had to be plugged into a wall's electrical socket to turn on its lights.
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Unsophisticated, cheap, penny-ante piker. This bitch best stay in his lane - so to speak - and stop trying to challenge me. I am the absolute damn queen of this game and nobody - much less some derivative EV shyster - is going to encroach on my title

Posted by: Elizabeth Holmes at September 16, 2022 11:06 AM (t0OGg)

22 12 We’re almost out of blue stuff.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 16, 2022 11:06 AM (F7bjs)

23 GM has thousands of employees who could have quickly sniffed out this fraud, simply from their expertise in operating, designing, and manufacturing mass market vehicles. Unfortunately for GM, their CEO is not one of those employees.

This is what happens when CEO's are political appointees.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com - Email for morons. at September 16, 2022 11:06 AM (Bd6X8)

24 GM are a bunch of idiots.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at September 16, 2022 11:07 AM (ufFY8)

25 Milton will get a slap on the wrist, walk away with a fortune, and pop up somewhere else hawking some investment scam. It's like playing a game of Whack-A-Mole with these thieves.

Posted by: Elric Blade at September 16, 2022 11:07 AM (iFTx/)

26 23 GM has thousands of employees who could have quickly sniffed out this fraud, simply from their expertise in operating, designing, and manufacturing mass market vehicles. Unfortunately for GM, their CEO is not one of those employees.

This is what happens when CEO's are political appointees.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com - Email for morons. at September 16, 2022 11:06 AM (Bd6X

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I remember Rush saying that car CEOs tended to be finance guys in the modern age.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 16, 2022 11:07 AM (LvTSG)

27 Unsophisticated, cheap, penny-ante piker. This bitch best stay in his lane - so to speak - and stop trying to challenge me. I am the absolute damn queen of this game and nobody - much less some derivative EV shyster - is going to encroach on my title

Posted by: Elizabeth Holmes at September 16, 2022 11:06 AM (t0OGg)

You're right! That was a Nikola and dime operation.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at September 16, 2022 11:07 AM (7bRMQ)

28 "This one was propelled by gravity. It was not a real truck."

Yeah, but gravity is zero emissions and 100% renewable. Good intentions are what count.

Posted by: Ripley at September 16, 2022 11:07 AM (MxEKc)

29 “Going Green” may sound like a utopian ideal, but if you look at the hidden and embedded costs in a realistic and impartial way, you’ll find that “Going Green" does more damage to earth’s environment than it seems.

But you have to take icky courses in things like chemistry, physics and engineering in order to speak intelligently on the subject. They'd rather take ambidextrous mid-16th century lesbian art history.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2022 11:08 AM (ayzS/)

30 "Nikola?"

Anybody who didn't see that scam coming a mile away deserves to lose their money.

It's like me starting a bread company and calling it Oneder Bread.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 16, 2022 11:08 AM (AW0uW)

31 They need to make Jerry Nadler zero emissions first.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 16, 2022 11:08 AM (F7bjs)

32 Going on topic, the amount of states that write in their legislatures, "we're just going to do what California does" displays a total lack of creativity from their legislatures. They can't even think of original ways to fuck their constituents; just copying and pasting laws that other states (and by that I mean environmental groups carried by the state) create.

Fuck any chance of getting an electric car. We must protect the internal combustion engine.

Posted by: Homer's Donuts at September 16, 2022 11:08 AM (BCSAN)

33 Government Motors will be out of the car business by 2035.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 16, 2022 11:08 AM (yQpMk)

34 He even duped a gullible General Motors, who signed a partnership just weeks before his elaborate ruse was uncovered.
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GM's executives were "duped" because they wanted to be duped. Just like the cavalcade of celebrity investors, CEOs and politicians who happily got into bed with Theranos while doing no due diligence or determining if it's all a con. It's all just so cool, and the leader is so charismatic, and we're gonna change the world (and get super rich doing it) so long as we ask no questions and believe in the vision.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 16, 2022 11:08 AM (t0OGg)

35 So, we're not getting the trucks?

Posted by: Gavin Newsom at September 16, 2022 11:08 AM (wBpKf)

36 as to the content, i can only laugh and enjoy myself at the left eco-nuts getting hoisted by their own petard. I just hope that it's painful for them all.

Posted by: SturmToddler at September 16, 2022 11:08 AM (Mkvkw)

37 Funny how Nikola Tesla isn't making a dime from these guys using his name.

Posted by: The Hallmark Channel at September 16, 2022 11:08 AM (JkeTM)

38 Off sappy romance sock.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at September 16, 2022 11:09 AM (JkeTM)

39 18 "Nikola," eh? As in Nikola Tesla? That should have been obvious as a ploy from the very start.
Posted by: Francis W. Porretto at September 16, 2022 11:05 AM (z/nZY)

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That was my initial thought, too. Didn't even try to come up with an original name.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at September 16, 2022 11:09 AM (uPgE/)

40 34 GM's executives were "duped" because they wanted to be duped. Just like the cavalcade of celebrity investors, CEOs and politicians who happily got into bed with Theranos while doing no due diligence or determining if it's all a con. It's all just so cool, and the leader is so charismatic, and we're gonna change the world (and get super rich doing it) so long as we ask no questions and believe in the vision.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 16, 2022 11:08 AM (t0OGg)

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I would never fall for something like that.

Now, could you please direct me to a reputable climate credit outfit? I need to offset my AC conditioning for Gaia.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 16, 2022 11:09 AM (LvTSG)

41 Milton also has several sexual abuse claims against him, including involving underage girls. Are they credible? Who knows. But Milton seems like a real slimy guy.

Posted by: Elric Blade at September 16, 2022 11:09 AM (iFTx/)

42 GM was incorporated by William Durant on this day in 1908

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at September 16, 2022 11:09 AM (OgrpQ)

43 Tesla shouldn't have destroyed his earthquake machine.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 16, 2022 11:10 AM (yQpMk)

44 "This one was propelled by gravity. It was not a real truck."

Yeah, but gravity is zero emissions and 100% renewable. Good intentions are what count.
Posted by: Ripley at September 16, 2022 11:07 AM (MxEKc)

I had a gravity based green energy vehicle when I was a kid, and it took 3 of us to push it back to the top of the hill. Great fun going down though.

Posted by: Buddy at September 16, 2022 11:10 AM (FCbAQ)

45 EV fanboys are so desperate to be seduced by smooth-talking confidence men promoting the EV vision

That's not true! Electric Vehicles Are Totally Awesome You Rubes!

Just ask everyone's favorite commenter. If you say "Electric Vehicles are bad because (some entirely valid reason)" three times while facing a mirror he will appear in the comments.

Posted by: Electric Vehicle Guy at September 16, 2022 11:10 AM (xttsV)

46 Dan Bishop @jdanbishop · 34m US House candidate, NC-08
Yesterday, Dems said putting migrants on a bus was “human trafficking.”

Today, they’re putting migrants on a bus and shipping them out.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at September 16, 2022 11:10 AM (yikp0)

47 It always cracks me up with they talk about hydrogen powered things. Hydrogen can never be a fuel as long as it takes more energy to make it than it provides.

It's a blindingly simple concept that most of the green dummies don't seem to understand.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 16, 2022 11:10 AM (Y5qcH)

48 Yeah, but gravity is zero emissions and 100% renewable. Good intentions are what count.
Posted by: Ripley at September 16, 2022 11:07 AM (MxEKc)

It wouldn't work when I grew up because walking to school was uphill both ways.

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at September 16, 2022 11:10 AM (AiZBA)

49 The "zero emissions" fraud looks a like the the Theranos/Elizabeth Holmes fraud involving blood test techonology.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at September 16, 2022 11:11 AM (lf83v)

50 Obligatory:

https://youtu.be/0vVU7MyK9fQ

Harvest Moon, BOC.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at September 16, 2022 11:11 AM (ufFY8)

51 "Hindenburg Research" is the perfect name for this story. Do they partner with Titanic Investigations?

Posted by: Eeyore at September 16, 2022 11:11 AM (TgBWG)

52 Funny how Nikola Tesla isn't making a dime from these guys using his name.
Posted by: The Hallmark Channel at September 16, 2022 11:08 AM (JkeTM)
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I've been dead for a long time.

Posted by: zombie Nikola Tesla at September 16, 2022 11:12 AM (9nXhD)

53 Hydrogen, ethanol, and electric batteries are not energy sources, they are energy storage mediums.

Even coal is just stored solar energy.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 16, 2022 11:12 AM (yQpMk)

54 How the hell are they getting the migrants off that island in buses? Is Zombie Ted Kennedy driving?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 16, 2022 11:12 AM (F7bjs)

55 Funny how Nikola Tesla isn't making a dime from these guys using his name.
Posted by: The Hallmark Channel at September 16, 2022 11:08 AM (JkeTM)

What would a corpse do with money?

Posted by: spindrift at September 16, 2022 11:12 AM (h5TKJ)

56 The Federalist @FDRLST · 1h
12 Stunning Martha’s Vineyard Vacation Homes With Plenty Of Room For Illegal Migrants

https://twitter.com/FDRLST/status/
1570763306868031488

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at September 16, 2022 11:12 AM (yikp0)

57 Mary Barra has a degree in engineering and is a GM lifer, starting factory work while still a teen.

She should not have fallen for this ruse.

She is also on Disney's board.

Posted by: mr tmz at September 16, 2022 11:12 AM (rJ48h)

58 It always cracks me up with they talk about hydrogen powered things. Hydrogen can never be a fuel as long as it takes more energy to make it than it provides.

It's a blindingly simple concept that most of the green dummies don't seem to understand.

At some point, if they actually get space-based solar (or fusion) , this could work. They really ought to prove them out and build them first, though, before they trash what already works. I doubt they will.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2022 11:12 AM (ayzS/)

59 I'm not opposed to mining, electric vehicles, wind or solar energy. But this is the reality of the situation.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 16, 2022 11:04 AM (HspZ0)

did you know the mining industry is going green as well? there's a big push right now for battery powered haul trucks. and alternative fuels.

Posted by: SturmToddler at September 16, 2022 11:12 AM (Mkvkw)

60 55 Funny how Nikola Tesla isn't making a dime from these guys using his name.
Posted by: The Hallmark Channel at September 16, 2022 11:08 AM (JkeTM)

What would a corpse do with money?
Posted by: spindrift at September 16, 2022 11:12 AM (h5TKJ)

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Well, copyright law says corpses get money for 90 years.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 16, 2022 11:13 AM (LvTSG)

61 rather take ambidextrous mid-16th century lesbian art history.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2022 11:08 AM (ayzS/)

Go on...

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at September 16, 2022 11:13 AM (ufFY8)

62 Hindenburg Research exposed Nikola. They already looked like total frauds (Milton exudes a pungent odor of high-octane BS), but Hindenburg dotted a lot of i's and crossed a lot of t's.

Worth paying attention to them.

Posted by: quantum mechanic at September 16, 2022 11:13 AM (g1EEm)

63 3 I’ve been away for the past couple of months assessing my divorce situation. We’re now at the point where the state of PA is garnishing my checks to pay for my ex-wife to stay in school for another 2 years. She refuses to work and barely talks to me. With the amount of money the state is taking from me, I can barely afford my rent, much less things like food. My situation is considered fucked with a capital F.
Posted by: Homer's Donuts at September 16, 2022 11:01 AM (BCSAN)

You have my sympathies. Wish I had some great advice that'd help get your situation sorted out but I don't really. Unless your income is low enough to qualify for welfare(alimony doesn't really change this).

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at September 16, 2022 11:13 AM (b2nrj)

64 #10
Rick not sure when that book was written but seems out of date
In 2021 coal made 21% of electricity in USA
That number decreases by 1% each year .
The info you posted is not "current"

Posted by: Forrest gump at September 16, 2022 11:13 AM (jITZK)

65 I've been dead for a long time.
Posted by: zombie Nikola Tesla at September 16, 2022 11:12 AM (9nXhD)

Yeah, I know. Too bad he didn't leave his estate to someone that would protect his name.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at September 16, 2022 11:13 AM (JkeTM)

66 Awesome cover of "Harvest Moon," it is one of my all time favorite songs.

Thanks, Buck.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 16, 2022 11:13 AM (11kd9)

67
Zero emissions is such a silly phrase.

Approximately ten seconds of mild brain work tells you this not only isn't possible, but that any emissions reduction will be small, unless you generate nuclear power.

About ten more seconds of moderate brain work tells you, working from an assumption of coal-derived power, that the increase in methane from mining more than offsets the (very, very presumptive) benefit of the small reduction in CO2.

Without nukes, the zero-emissions vehicle has always been a risible idea.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 16, 2022 11:14 AM (oINRc)

68 That Harvest Moon piece is lovely if a little sleepy. Lead singer's voice is mesmerizing.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 16, 2022 11:14 AM (Y+l9t)

69 How the hell are they getting the migrants off that island in buses? Is Zombie Ted Kennedy driving?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 16, 2022 11:12 AM (F7bjs)

Taking the fairy, silly!

Posted by: Shep! at September 16, 2022 11:14 AM (ufFY8)

70 Shut up, Dunce.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 16, 2022 11:14 AM (yQpMk)

71 I suppose Mr Milton got some adrenalin rush as well as the $$ with the actual con game. Savvy risk averse shysters start non-profits. Probably could have raked in pretty good dough with zero risk of jail by starting up non profit to explore developing an electric truck.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at September 16, 2022 11:14 AM (3cGpq)

72 OPM

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at September 16, 2022 11:14 AM (EGSGm)

73 Mary Barra has a degree in engineering and is a GM lifer, starting factory work while still a teen.

Then she should be fired immediately. If you are an engineer and get fooled by something this obvious, you aren't much of an engineer.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2022 11:14 AM (ayzS/)

74 Posted by: Forrest gump at September 16, 2022 11:13 AM (jITZK)

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Yeah, it's being replaced by natural gas gotten from fracking.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 16, 2022 11:14 AM (LvTSG)

75 That girl/group in the video are incredible.

Posted by: irright at September 16, 2022 11:15 AM (SchQD)

76 They really ought to prove them out and build them first, though, before they trash what already works. I doubt they will.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2022 11:12 AM (ayzS/)

Why would we do that?

Posted by: 90% Population Reductioners at September 16, 2022 11:15 AM (BCSAN)

77 Could probably power Texas by hooking some leads up to Nikola Tesla's casket.

Posted by: Sharkman at September 16, 2022 11:15 AM (Pq0CS)

78 And as is usually the case in these situations, I'm guessing all the "investors" will find a way to pawn all their losses if on someone else, like the investor's in their own companies, while taking no losses themselves. It's the Jon Corzine model of investing.

I also love the scam government's run, where the SEC win a civil trial against him for $125million, uhhh who the F addres these government agencies to decide they get to go in and get the first cache of money, because others were fleeced. The government always gets their beak wet wet, while making sure those actually harmed have nothing left to sue for.

Posted by: Rbastid at September 16, 2022 11:15 AM (PTLob)

79 If you believe men can have babies, running the American shipping fleet on sunshine and wind isn't really that far of a stretch.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at September 16, 2022 11:15 AM (lQoju)

80 That Milton guy should have retired after writing Paradise Lost.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 16, 2022 11:15 AM (F7bjs)

81 There is not enough copper, zinc, manganese, nickel, or lithium to produce even one generation of battery vehicles to replace ICE on this planet. Copper is the most abundant item on the list, and it would take nearly seven times the known reserves on the planet. All copper mined since the beginning of time is less than required.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 16, 2022 11:15 AM (lTGtQ)

82 73"Mary Barra has a degree in engineering and is a GM lifer, starting factory work while still a teen."

Then she should be fired immediately. If you are an engineer and get fooled by something this obvious, you aren't much of an engineer.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2022 11:14 AM (ayzS/)

Probably didn't diligence it at all and was for PR purposes.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at September 16, 2022 11:16 AM (b2nrj)

83 GM and the others weren't "duped." They were willing participants in the fleecing. They knew it was an incredibly risky venture almost certainly doomed to failure. But the sexy allure and guaranteed fawning press coverage, at a time then GM's own gas-powered trucks were coming under fire, was too strong to resist and worth the risk. It was a classic "vanity investment."

Posted by: Elric Blade at September 16, 2022 11:16 AM (iFTx/)

84 "Hindenburg Research" is the perfect name for this story. Do they partner with Titanic Investigations?

Posted by: Eeyore at September 16, 2022 11:11 AM (TgBWG)

Along with the Edsel consulting firm.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at September 16, 2022 11:16 AM (VwHCD)

85 Act now and for a mere $100,000 you can get in on the ground floor of the Anonosaurus Wrecks Perpetual Motion Machine! It's Zero Emissions and Green!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 16, 2022 11:16 AM (FVME7)

86 GM's executives were "duped" because they wanted to be duped. Just like the cavalcade of celebrity investors, CEOs and politicians who happily got into bed with Theranos while doing no due diligence or determining if it's all a con. It's all just so cool, and the leader is so charismatic, and we're gonna change the world (and get super rich doing it) so long as we ask no questions and believe in the vision

You think we’re charismatic? That’s so sweet

Posted by: Big pharma CEOs at September 16, 2022 11:16 AM (nIRE6)

87 Should have immediately known he was a fraud when he copied Musk by naming the company Nikola.

Posted by: polynikes at September 16, 2022 11:17 AM (9pcIx)

88 did you know the mining industry is going green as well? there's a big push right now for battery powered haul trucks. and alternative fuels.
Posted by: SturmToddler

You know what's funny? Pass by any construction area, especially on a long holiday weekend. Notice how many vehicles have flashing lights left on.

Wait until the crews forget to plug the vehicles in before taking off.

And coal mining is usually done in cold areas. Have fun with those batteries.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 16, 2022 11:17 AM (HspZ0)

89 Nice truck, you put a Cat, Detroit, or Cummins in it.

Posted by: Eromero at September 16, 2022 11:17 AM (/RDPd)

90 GM has thousands of employees who could have quickly sniffed out this fraud, simply from their expertise in operating, designing, and manufacturing mass market vehicles. Unfortunately for GM, their CEO is not one of those employees.

Not only did Mary Barra take the bait on the Nikola fraud. She has swallowed the EV fad hook, line, and sinker, promising that GM will go 100% electric by 2035. Although I love to laugh at woke fools in corporate executive suites, it breaks my heart that Barra and her fellow GM executives are taking actions that will destroy a once-great company and put tens of thousands of American workers out of their jobs.

**

It's worth noting that Mary came over from Human Resources.

That's not a joke. She was hired to her TOP GRRRL POWER!!! position from HR.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 16, 2022 11:18 AM (Zjer5)

91 I've had a couple electric train sets in my day but I got bored with them pretty quickly. Don't understand the fools that chase this ghost of free energy.

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 16, 2022 11:18 AM (KY22T)

92 I think I've been on that stretch of highway in AZ or NM. The grade is slow and the surroundings are so flat that you don't realize you've been going uphill or downhill unless you look in your mirror.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 16, 2022 11:18 AM (nfrXX)

93 33 Government Motors will be out of the car business by 2035.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 16, 2022 11:08 AM (yQpMk)

I believe GM, Ford, and Fiat-Chrysler will be in business in 2035. Either combined together as Government Motors, making electric vehicles, or as they are now, making mostly internal combustion vehicles and some EVs. Depends on who is in the White House from 2025 to 2032. Also assuming Mad Joe's Junta does not somehow irrevocably cripple ICE vehicle production in the next 28 months.

Posted by: Gref at September 16, 2022 11:18 AM (AMIL/)

94 30 "Nikola?"
Anybody who didn't see that scam coming a mile away deserves to lose their money.

It's like me starting a bread company and calling it Oneder Bread.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 16, 2022 11:08 AM

I'm still amazed "Soylent" brand meal replacement drinks, which come in bright, monocolored bottles (including green) are still a thing.

Posted by: Grimmy at September 16, 2022 11:19 AM (JCZqz)

95 And again, all of this is being driven by laws put in place by communist China for communist China. Our manufacturers are just acknowledging that the U.S. is no longer the top dog any longer.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 16, 2022 11:19 AM (Zjer5)

96 The cost, economic infeasibility, or "environmental damage" of "green" energy technologies are all inarguably conclusive strikes against the whole disastrous debacle.

And they are secondary arguments, and focusing on them means accepting the false premise that there is any need to pursue them.

Which means all the economic social and civic damage from the "green" idiocy will continue indefinitely. All the looting and totalitarian encroachment.

Engage the premise - that's there any reason to do *any* of this stuff, when/where it's not economically sustainable without subsidy or regulatory compulsion. Reject the absurd and baseless assumption that the outlandish hypothesis of CO2-based AGW is valid and justifies re-ordering all human activity.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 16, 2022 11:19 AM (OTzUX)

97

30,692.90 -268.92 (-0.87%)
As of 11:18AM EDT. Market open.

Posted by: DJIA Deathwatch at September 16, 2022 11:19 AM (9+CFV)

98 So was this truck supposed to be an electric/ hydrogen combo? I don't know why they couldn't produce a working one of those even if was a copy of the existing EV and hydrogen tech.

Posted by: polynikes at September 16, 2022 11:19 AM (9pcIx)

99 I love stories like these.

What was this guy thinking?

"Yeah, I'm gonna get away with this! They'll never catch on!"

Or . . .

"Man, I shoulda kept my mouth shut. This thing is snowballing and I'm going to die in prison."

Posted by: Sharkman at September 16, 2022 11:19 AM (Pq0CS)

100 you believe men can have babies, running the American shipping fleet on sunshine and wind isn't really that far of a stretch.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at September 16, 2022

Agree

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 16, 2022 11:20 AM (Y+l9t)

101 Nice truck, you put a Cat, Detroit, or Cummins in it.

Posted by: Eromero at September 16, 2022 11:17 AM (/RDPd)

Post DEF system only Cummins does OTR

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at September 16, 2022 11:20 AM (OgrpQ)

102 And it's why Trump has to be destroyed. He (and we) are risking all of their plans, and that can't be tolerated.

Making America great again is dangerous as hell.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 16, 2022 11:20 AM (Zjer5)

103 Well, copyright law says corpses get money for 90 years.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 16, 2022 11:13 AM (LvTSG)

Which is why I try to torrent books from dead authors still under copyright. Fuck the little shits the author spawned; they've done nothing to deserve getting paid.

Posted by: spindrift at September 16, 2022 11:20 AM (h5TKJ)

104 "Mary Barra has a degree in engineering and is a GM lifer, starting factory work while still a teen.

Then she should be fired immediately. If you are an engineer and get fooled by something this obvious, you aren't much of an engineer.

Posted by: Archimedes"

I have no idea if true in her case but starting in the 80's or so when female engineers were very rare they were all given choice assignments and rapidly promoted regardless of their skills or competence to keep the govt. and lawyers off the company back.

Posted by: Ripley at September 16, 2022 11:20 AM (MxEKc)

105 No human is illegal----cost to say, 0.00
We welcome immigrants---- cost to say, 0.00
Proud to be a sanctuary city----cost to say, 0.00

All this virtue signalling is super-easy when you're in a city closer to Canada than Mexico. That's the beauty of Abbott and DeSantis sending this relative handful of people to the virtue signallers. It takes the cost off of 0.00 and puts paid to the hypocrisy

Get these fuckers out of my town! It's the new rallying cry. It's a thing of beauty and a source of disgust all at the same time.

Posted by: Buddy at September 16, 2022 11:20 AM (FCbAQ)

106 Gotta love all the people making money off of Nikola Tesla’s name. I’m going to start a NEGATIVE emissions car company and call it Niktesola. Or maybe Tesonikla. NikTes would be good too. TesNik…

Posted by: TheMitch at September 16, 2022 11:21 AM (/LzPc)

107 Due diligence in this case would have consisted of making them park their EV on a flat stretch and then make it go for awhile.

I can see why a car company would be daunted by the prospect.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2022 11:21 AM (ayzS/)

108 Elizabeth Homes must have consulted with Milton.

Posted by: polynikes at September 16, 2022 11:21 AM (9pcIx)

109 Not to mention that USExpress engages in a running battle with Werner for the title "Worst Trucking Company Ever".

Posted by: creeper at September 16, 2022 11:21 AM (cTCuP)

110 Mary Barra has a degree in engineering and is a GM lifer, starting factory work while still a teen.

*

A degree in engineering and cut her teeth in HR.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 16, 2022 11:21 AM (Zjer5)

111 Gotta love all the people making money off of Nikola Tesla’s name. I’m going to start a NEGATIVE emissions car company and call it Niktesola. Or maybe Tesonikla. NikTes would be good too. TesNik…

Sooo.....a forestry company?

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2022 11:22 AM (ayzS/)

112 I can't tell you how sick I am of people asking me what I think about the new "hummer" EV (aka fancy golf cart edition) just because I drive a big red hummer.

I hate EV's with a passion, and hate it even more that they're being forced on us.

Posted by: Defenestratus at September 16, 2022 11:22 AM (GFTkN)

113 Anyone heard of "BOOM"? It's an aircraft company purported to have designed a commercial, supersonic aircraft that would be flying in or around 2030.

A technical, engineer type absolutely savaged the company a couple weeks ago when Rolls Royce pulled out of an agreement to supply engine technology to BOOM. So, basically this still on the drawing board plane now has no engines.

Yet... United AA put in an order for several of these planes. That don't, and probably won't exist.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 16, 2022 11:23 AM (BFigT)

114 30,692.90 -268.92 (-0.87%)
As of 11:18AM EDT. Market open.

Posted by: DJIA Deathwatch at September 16, 2022 11:19 AM (9+CFV)

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TURN THOSE MACHINES BACK OFF!

-Mortimer Duke

Posted by: 496 at September 16, 2022 11:23 AM (VJsqe)

115 Gotta love all the people making money off of Nikola Tesla’s name. I’m going to start a NEGATIVE emissions car company and call it Niktesola. Or maybe Tesonikla. NikTes would be good too. TesNik…
Posted by: TheMitch at September 16, 2022 11:21 AM (/LzPc)
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May the rabbit fuck you in the stomach.

Posted by: zombie Nikola Tesla at September 16, 2022 11:23 AM (9nXhD)

116 I wouldn't be surprised at all to find that a lot of big investors who put money into this knew very well it was a fraud, but they expected the government to jump in and pay them all off.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 16, 2022 11:23 AM (trdmm)

117 55 Funny how Nikola Tesla isn't making a dime from these guys using his name.
Posted by: The Hallmark Channel at September 16, 2022 11:08 AM (JkeTM)

What would a corpse do with money?
Posted by: spindrift at September 16, 2022 11:12 AM (h5TKJ)

-----------------------------------

Donate to Democrats?

Posted by: No One of Consequence at September 16, 2022 11:23 AM (uPgE/)

118 She is not playing that mandolin in the video.

Posted by: squid_hunt at September 16, 2022 11:23 AM (S/NWs)

119 This is just so funny, and so depressing at the same time. Hell, back twenty years ago, when I worked for a famous tractor and tire company, the corporate leadership bought into every bit of laughable crap that floated down the sewer in front of them, as long as it thoroughly saturated in the catchy catch-phrases of the day.

The conceptualization of their shifting paradigms resulted in the weeks long training programs where us employees were given things like a brass egg. Which we were expected to polish. (Outside of the trainers hearing, we referred to these as turds) I couldn't begin to guess how much money corporate spent on these boondoggles, but I know this, I experienced it....over the twenty years I worked there, there was always another on deck which was kicked off with much corporate fan-fare just as soon as the previous one faded into obscurity.

This is nothing new, and you can bet your shrinking 401k that they're already preparing to roll out the new, New, NEW GM right now. And unless the current CEO is fired (with his/her/it's 20 million dollar golden parachute), they'll never even mention this dick-cheese sandwich, and cat-piss slushy ever again.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 16, 2022 11:23 AM (CCf67)

120 There probably aren't enough emeralds that can be mined to supply us if it was decided to build all residential buildings from emeralds.

Guess what?

That's not the reason we don't build houses from emeralds.

It's because there's no reason to. This is the iron logic of the situation, and talking about costs and "environmental damage" is just stipulating that we need to build houses out of emeralds, but gee, it's haaard, and there aren't enough. The entire ridiculous discussion takes place within a false framework, and the damage and looting continue.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 16, 2022 11:23 AM (OTzUX)

121 "He even duped a gullible General Motors, who signed a partnership just weeks before his elaborate ruse was uncovered.

When GM signed the deal, CEO Mary Barra failed to properly explain what technology her company was actually securing."

"Mary Barra fails parallel parking portion of electric car driving test."

Posted by: Sharkman at September 16, 2022 11:23 AM (Pq0CS)

122 The jerkoffs in MV might believe that this that this "crisis" is over, but what they don't realize is that with all this caterwauling and fake indignation that they have removed all doubt that they are the biggest hypocrites on the planet.
Whenever they talk about compassion and fairness, this episode should be thrown in their face.

Posted by: JoeF. at September 16, 2022 11:23 AM (mR6Gs)

123 From eia.gov -- stats from 2021

||Fossil fuels are the largest sources of energy for electricity generation
Natural gas was the largest source—about 38%—of U.S. electricity generation in 2021. Natural gas is used in steam turbines and gas turbines to generate electricity.

Coal was the second-largest energy source for U.S. electricity generation in 2021—about 22%. Nearly all coal-fired power plants use steam turbines. A few coal-fired power plants convert coal to a gas for use in a gas turbine to generate electricity.

Petroleum was the source of less than 1% of U.S. electricity generation in 2021.||

https://tinyurl.com/66hhzmtk

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at September 16, 2022 11:24 AM (yikp0)

124 Moondance - Van Morrison

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kfYOGndVfU

Posted by: mustbequantum at September 16, 2022 11:24 AM (MIKMs)

125 did you know the mining industry is going green as well? there's a big push right now for battery powered haul trucks. and alternative fuels.
Posted by: SturmToddler

You know what's funny? Pass by any construction area, especially on a long holiday weekend. Notice how many vehicles have flashing lights left on.

Wait until the crews forget to plug the vehicles in before taking off.

And coal mining is usually done in cold areas. Have fun with those batteries.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 16, 2022 11:17 AM (HspZ0)

oh yeah. i can't wait. it's going to be a blast... *rolls eyes*

and i'm not sure which will be worse on the batteries, the really cold areas, or the really hot humid ones.

Posted by: SturmToddler at September 16, 2022 11:24 AM (Mkvkw)

126 >> No human is illegal----cost to say, 0.00

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I'd love to ask one of those yard-sign-posting types if Donald Trump is illegal.

Posted by: 496 at September 16, 2022 11:24 AM (VJsqe)

127 ""Worst Trucking Company Ever"'

CXRoberson, so bad it's no longer in business. Probably still owes creditors hundreds of millions of dollars.

Posted by: Somewhere South of I-80 at September 16, 2022 11:24 AM (1DgE4)

128 A battery powered semi tractor would require power cells weighing approximately 8,000 pounds, and give it a range of 300 miles.

Imagine selling freight shipping business with a fleet that costs twice as much as an ICE fleet, subtracts 4 tons per truckload as deadweight, and can only travel 300 miles when fully fueled.

Absolute idiocy.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 16, 2022 11:24 AM (lTGtQ)

129 Yet... United AA put in an order for several of these planes. That don't, and probably won't exist.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 16, 2022 11:23 AM (BFigT

Naming a plane "BOOM"??? well I can guess their marketing campaign already - Good to the Last Drop!

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 16, 2022 11:24 AM (trdmm)

130 Mary Barra has a degree in engineering and is a GM lifer, starting factory work while still a teen.

*

A degree in engineering and cut her teeth in HR.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 16, 2022 11:21 AM (Zjer5)

HR types should have been on the Golgafrinchem B ark.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at September 16, 2022 11:24 AM (VwHCD)

131 We’re now at the point where the state of PA is garnishing my checks to pay for my ex-wife to stay in school for another 2 years. She refuses to work and barely talks to me.

———

It’ll be two years of hell but if the state is requiring her to get an education there is the expectation that she will get a job at the end of it and take care of herself.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at September 16, 2022 11:25 AM (H37KB)

132 "a fully functioning truck that was actually missing major parts like gears and motors and that had to be plugged into a wall's electrical socket to turn on its lights."

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?

Posted by: Mookie at September 16, 2022 11:25 AM (7Mqc1)

133 Zero emissions is such a silly phrase.

Approximately ten seconds of mild brain work tells you this not only isn't possible, but that any emissions reduction will be small, unless you generate nuclear power. ...
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 16, 2022 11:14 AM (oINRc)
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What they always mean (and what is in the fine print), of course, is "Zero *Tailpipe* Emissions." It's a form of NIMBYISM. The emissions don't come out of my car - in fact, they come out of some dirty power plant far away from me - and so they do not, in fact, exist.

Just like the input materials. Lithium mining is filthy, environmentally destructive, exploitative of child labor and pays the miners a slave wage for high-risk work, but all of that happens on some other continent and so it, too, does not exist.

Far Away == Does Not Exist
Does Not Exist == Magic
Magic == Virtue

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 16, 2022 11:26 AM (t0OGg)

134 The company's name alone should have been a red flag. My co-worker and I found out about this company a year or two ago. Our first thought was to speculate on whether it was a subsidiary of Tesla that we'd never heard of. After all, both companies were named after the same guy. When it became clear this company had nothing to do with Musk, we both agreed that the company seemed very fishy.

Posted by: junior at September 16, 2022 11:26 AM (FqqOz)

135 I'll give Joe Manchin credit for having big brass ones. He's pushing a bill to streamline energy permitting, but says he needs 20 GOP Senators to do it, because lots of Dems are defecting.

If the GOP votes for it, he and the Dems look good, and if they don't, they're obstructing more energy.

https://tinyurl.com/yckaewma

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2022 11:26 AM (ayzS/)

136 I'm not sure why everyone is so surprised at all these EV companies making false promises and lying about "new" products coming to market. It's been going on in every industry since the dawn of time. Pharma is legendary for over-hyping new drugs and pretending they're further along in development than they are. It's true of every start-up industry. And need I even mention "vaporware"?

Posted by: Elric Blade at September 16, 2022 11:26 AM (iFTx/)

137 Tesla shouldn't have destroyed his earthquake machine.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 16, 2022 11:10 AM (yQpMk)

It's weird he didn't find something more useful to do with his cloning machine than hand it over to a ~~magician~~ illusionist.

Posted by: spindrift at September 16, 2022 11:26 AM (h5TKJ)

138 Theranos girl is a 1.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 16, 2022 11:26 AM (44ww/)

139 "If the GOP votes for it, he and the Dems look good, and if they don't, they're obstructing more energy. "

The GOP is already gonna vote for it. You had them at make the Dems look good.

Posted by: squid_hunt at September 16, 2022 11:26 AM (S/NWs)

140 >>>We’re now at the point where the state of PA is garnishing my checks to pay for my ex-wife to stay in school for another 2 years. She refuses to work and barely talks to me.

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Absolutely infuriating. Sorry to hear this.

Posted by: 496 at September 16, 2022 11:27 AM (VJsqe)

141 131 We’re now at the point where the state of PA is garnishing my checks to pay for my ex-wife to stay in school for another 2 years. She refuses to work and barely talks to me.

———

It’ll be two years of hell but if the state is requiring her to get an education there is the expectation that she will get a job at the end of it and take care of herself.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at September 16, 2022 11:25 AM (H37KB)

Honestly, the state sounds like they are in the right...if she didn't have a college degree, and thus no possible career outside of minimum wage, after you broke up...then, the cheapest option is to have you pay the degree and then end the alimony once she graduates.

Way cheaper than permanent alimony for life...so, you got off very lucky...

Posted by: Nova local at September 16, 2022 11:27 AM (exHjb)

142 Milton has moved on...he's now developed a wood burning vehicle for the euro market.

Posted by: BignJames at September 16, 2022 11:27 AM (AwYPR)

143 We’re now at the point where the state of PA is garnishing my checks to pay for my ex-wife to stay in school for another 2 years. She refuses to work and barely talks to me.

*

I assume she get the $10K from the feds when they pay her for her trouble?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 16, 2022 11:28 AM (rx7WQ)

144 I once argued with one my professors in college when he said "we are only limited by our imagination."

I told him they we are limited by reality, that certain concepts were not possible, for instance man cannot fly.

He said we could build planes, gliders, etc, therefor we could fly.

I countered that these were different concepts. Man could not fly. I added that if he imagined that we could, surely we could go to the roof of the building and he could test his thesis. He did not take me up on the challenge.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at September 16, 2022 11:28 AM (lQoju)

145 OT -- Teachers and Staff Members in Ohio Can Now Legally Carry Firearms on Campus

Story at TGP.
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Welp, conservatives. We got what we asked for. Now sit and wait for the results of Libs of TikTok orange-haired nosering tattoo gender-fucked pedo freak shows -- WITH GUNS.

What could go wrong?

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at September 16, 2022 11:28 AM (M9XmQ)

146 There is a psychological phenomena in fraud whereby the victim is more likely to take a chance on the fraud if the payout is higher.

In other words, if someone proposed something sketchy for a return for only $100, and you had low confidence in the proposal, you would decline.

But, if the person promised $100 million for the same sketchy proposal (Or promised to save the planet from global warming) people are more likely to agree with the plan and fall for the scam.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at September 16, 2022 11:29 AM (lf83v)

147 I'm not sure why everyone is so surprised at all these EV companies making false promises and lying about "new" products coming to market.

*

No one is surprised by it. We're "surprised" the same way we seem surprised when Republicans are elected and then either don't do sh*t or do Good Republican things that help the Democrats.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 16, 2022 11:29 AM (rx7WQ)

148 Not to mention that USExpress engages in a running battle with Werner for the title "Worst Trucking Company Ever".
Posted by: creeper at September 16, 2022 11:21 AM (cTCuP)

Swift has entered the chat...

Posted by: SturmToddler at September 16, 2022 11:29 AM (Mkvkw)

149 Manchn knew going into the last fiasco that he was going to switch parties

he will use this dim betryal as the reason he switched

he knew that running for re-election as a dim was a nogo

Manchin is a pimp

Posted by: REDACTED at September 16, 2022 11:29 AM (us2H3)

150 147 I'm not sure why everyone is so surprised at all these EV companies making false promises and lying about "new" products coming to market.
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Its like Solyndra all over again. The horror. The horror.

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 16, 2022 11:30 AM (KY22T)

151 According to the article this was supposed to be a hydrogen run truck. We like the Hydrogen model of alternate energy right? Hurry someone tell me what to think😀

Posted by: polynikes at September 16, 2022 11:30 AM (9pcIx)

152 Anyone heard of "BOOM"? It's an aircraft company purported to have designed a commercial, supersonic aircraft that would be flying in or around 2030.

A technical, engineer type absolutely savaged the company a couple weeks ago when Rolls Royce pulled out of an agreement to supply engine technology to BOOM. So, basically this still on the drawing board plane now has no engines.

Yet... United AA put in an order for several of these planes. That don't, and probably won't exist.

Yeah, I've been hearing about that one for awhile. And smelling it.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2022 11:30 AM (ayzS/)

153 Theranos girl is a 1.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 16, 2022 11:26 AM (44ww/)
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Which is one - though by no means not the only - reason she was so successful in her fraud. She's also extremely charismatic, which is another reason. Her technology - which didn't work, of course, but that is somewhat beside the point - was also very alluring. It was a damn near perfect storm of hype, promise, charisma, good looks and (false) profit potential and she handled and expanded the fraud masterfully until someone finally got curious.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 16, 2022 11:30 AM (t0OGg)

154 "Where are all the good men? Husband material? I can't meet good men"

-women

"You're going to pay through the nose! I'm going to take you to the cleaners!"

- also women, but later.

"I agree with her"
-the courts

Posted by: 496 at September 16, 2022 11:30 AM (VJsqe)

155 43 Tesla shouldn't have destroyed his earthquake machine.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 16, 2022 11:10 AM (yQpMk)

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I had an idea for a story where Tesla goes to Mars and uses his earthquake machine to stop the Martian’s from attacking the Earth.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at September 16, 2022 11:30 AM (H37KB)

156 Giving public school teachers, who we have certainly learned can absolutely be trusted with children, GUNS, is a Win.

Right?

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at September 16, 2022 11:30 AM (M9XmQ)

157 Manchin is a pimp

*Inserts obligatory Godfather reference.*

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2022 11:31 AM (ayzS/)

158 149 Manchn knew going into the last fiasco that he was going to switch parties
he will use this dim betryal as the reason he switched
he knew that running for re-election as a dim was a nogo
Manchin is a pimp
Posted by: REDACTED at September 16, 2022 11:29 AM (us2H3)

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Manchin went from an approval rating in the 60s in WV to in the 20s. Switching parties won't save him.

Everything he does between now and when he decides to not run for re-election in 2024 will be a grift. Everything he's done for years has been that as well, but at least he had the aura of protecting WV energy. He doesn't have that anymore.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 16, 2022 11:31 AM (LvTSG)

159 .
I don't think that Mexican Independence Day has been mentioned yet. Good thing I like mariachi bands for this weekend fiestas.

Posted by: mustbequantum at September 16, 2022 11:31 AM (MIKMs)

160 These 10-year pronouncements are laughable and they all know it.

Who is going to hold them to this? Especially when the C-suite will be gone well before any of these proclamations comes close to true.

Also, "Shine On Harvest Moon" by Leon Redbone is fantastic.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at September 16, 2022 11:31 AM (KbCG3)

161 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 16, 2022 11:31 AM (9gDA7)

162 Manchin is a pimp
Posted by: REDACTED at September 16, 2022 11:29 AM (us2H3)

Don't lump him in with me!

Posted by: Tattaglia at September 16, 2022 11:31 AM (FJYfm)

163 Modern CEO's believe they are something closer to Hollywood celebrities than someone hired to just increase shareholder value.

They value their own "brand" much more than they do the company brand. They are absolutely willing to throw a company and shareholders over board to look good to their peers and social group.

Social media is much of it, 20 years ago, most CEOs were completely unknown except to the shareholders that mattered and just wanted them to perform.

Posted by: Blago at September 16, 2022 11:31 AM (dtBSi)

164 This is the iron logic of the situation, and talking about costs and "environmental damage" is just stipulating that we need to build houses out of emeralds, but gee, it's haaard, and there aren't enough. The entire ridiculous discussion takes place within a false framework, and the damage and looting continue.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 16, 2022 11:23 AM (OTzUX)

They assumed the sale, and everyone else agreed.
Like a back and forth discussion with a woman you just met over what you're having for breakfast.

Posted by: Buddy at September 16, 2022 11:31 AM (FCbAQ)

165 Zero emissions is such a silly phrase.

*

Hold my beer.
- Subaru

"All Subaru products are manufactured in zero-landfill production plants"

https://tinyurl.com/26et2o8b

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 16, 2022 11:32 AM (rx7WQ)

166 I predict the Motor Trend ...

Tow No! The Ford F-150 Lightning Struggled in Our Towing Test
We towed 3100-, 5300-, and 7200-pound travel trailers with Ford’s electric truck and didn’t get very far from home.

... will be the harbinger of much more bad EV news in the future

Posted by: SMOD at September 16, 2022 11:32 AM (RHGPo)

167 All your grift are belong to us.

Posted by: Leftist Million and Billionaires at September 16, 2022 11:32 AM (9gDA7)

168 157 Manchin is a pimp

*Inserts obligatory Godfather reference.*
Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2022 11:31 AM (ayzS/)

He can't win a WV Repub primary...no way. Not after the inflation act vote...

Posted by: Nova local at September 16, 2022 11:32 AM (exHjb)

169 Which is one - though by no means not the only - reason she was so successful in her fraud. She's also extremely charismatic, which is another reason. Her technology - which didn't work, of course, but that is somewhat beside the point - was also very alluring. It was a damn near perfect storm of hype, promise, charisma, good looks and (false) profit potential and she handled and expanded the fraud masterfully until someone finally got curious.

I spent a couple of years evaluating chemical and biological sensor proposals for a DoD entity. I really which I'd had the chance to put this woman on the hot seat. I know how.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2022 11:32 AM (ayzS/)

170 166 I predict the Motor Trend ...

Tow No! The Ford F-150 Lightning Struggled in Our Towing Test
We towed 3100-, 5300-, and 7200-pound travel trailers with Ford’s electric truck and didn’t get very far from home.

... will be the harbinger of much more bad EV news in the future
Posted by: SMOD at September 16, 2022 11:32 AM (RHGPo)

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"We put up a new Ford EV against a 30 year old truck, and you'll never guess..."

"Yeah, I guessed it."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 16, 2022 11:33 AM (LvTSG)

171 90
' Mary came over from Human Resources.'

Of course she did.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at September 16, 2022 11:33 AM (a1ycR)

172 I countered that these were different concepts. Man could not fly. I added that if he imagined that we could, surely we could go to the roof of the building and he could test his thesis. He did not take me up on the challenge.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at September 16, 2022 11:28 AM (lQoju)

I was thinking about this the other day. Evolution seems to take a very long time to get to flight. Dinosaurs took 100's of millions of years to get there. Mammals only have 1 that has gotten there (bats). Sure some squirrels and other things can glide pretty well, but they aren't really flying yet.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 16, 2022 11:33 AM (Y5qcH)

173 Alimony in this day and age is beyond ridiculous.

Posted by: polynikes at September 16, 2022 11:33 AM (9pcIx)

174 If the GOP votes for it, he and the Dems look good, and if they don't, they're obstructing more energy.

https://tinyurl.com/yckaewma
Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2022 11:26 AM (ayzS/)

Manchin's an even bigger idiot that I thought. No matter how many Senators he gets on board, Pelosi's House will never pass it.

Manchin agreed to 87,000 new IRS inspectors because Chuck Schumer promised him this bill of his would pass.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 16, 2022 11:33 AM (trdmm)

175 Poppy Harlow is not pleased with being matched up with Sloppy in the am on CNN

Poppy and Sloppy is kinda catchy tho

Posted by: REDACTED at September 16, 2022 11:33 AM (us2H3)

176 At least the Highway Man's truck cab turned into a helicopter. It was also more believable than Nikola.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at September 16, 2022 11:33 AM (OgrpQ)

177 Hold my beer.
- Subaru

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I had a 2010 Subaru for a while (it sucked, total lemon, couldn't wait to unload it). On the back it said PZEV for partial-zero emission vehicle. WTF?

By that reasoning, I identify as partial-vegan because sometimes I eat an apple or something.

Posted by: 496 at September 16, 2022 11:33 AM (VJsqe)

178 when Rolls Royce pulled out of an agreement to supply engine technology to BOOM.

*

Wait, Rolls is going all-electric by 2030. How are they going to...

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 16, 2022 11:33 AM (rx7WQ)

179 Who is going to hold them to this? Especially when the C-suite will be gone well before any of these proclamations comes close to true.

And therein is the crux of the entire scam.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2022 11:34 AM (ayzS/)

180 We towed 3100-, 5300-, and 7200-pound travel trailers with Ford’s electric truck and didn’t get very far from home.

Motor Trend admitted that? They're the most cloying, irritating, retarded EV boosters in the car magazine business.

Posted by: spindrift at September 16, 2022 11:34 AM (h5TKJ)

181 Amazing how much of this enviroshit turns out to be a scam. What was the one with the hot female CEO who had no idea what the hell she was doing?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 16, 2022 11:34 AM (5r4XQ)

182 I predict the Motor Trend ...

Tow No! The Ford F-150 Lightning Struggled in Our Towing Test
We towed 3100-, 5300-, and 7200-pound travel trailers with Ford’s electric truck and didn’t get very far from home.

... will be the harbinger of much more bad EV news in the future
Posted by: SMOD at September 16, 2022 11:32 AM (RHGPo)

BUT IT CAN GO 0 TO 60 IN 2.4 SECONDS!!!!!!

- - Battery Morons Everywhere

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 16, 2022 11:34 AM (9gDA7)

183 "If he imagined that we could, surely we could go to the roof of the building and he could test his thesis. He did not take me up on the challenge."

If he had any imagination, he probably wouldn't be teaching.

Posted by: squid_hunt at September 16, 2022 11:34 AM (S/NWs)

184 182
BUT IT CAN GO 0 TO 60 IN 2.4 SECONDS!!!!!!

- - Battery Morons Everywhere
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 16, 2022 11:34 AM (9gDA7)

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Talk about going nowhere fast...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 16, 2022 11:35 AM (LvTSG)

185
Wait, Rolls is going all-electric by 2030. How are they going to...
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 16, 2022 11:33 AM (rx7WQ)

Not in their jet engine division.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 16, 2022 11:35 AM (9gDA7)

186 Honestly, the state sounds like they are in the right...if she didn't have a college degree, and thus no possible career outside of minimum wage, after you broke up...then, the cheapest option is to have you pay the degree and then end the alimony once she graduates.

Way cheaper than permanent alimony for life...so, you got off very lucky...

Posted by: Nova local at September 16, 2022 11:27 AM (exHjb)

A friend of mine got divorced. The year he got divorced he managed to land a dream job and his salary for that year was 350K. His bitch of a wife, who was fully employed as a teacher lied about her standard of living using his 1st and only year of a 350K salary which the state of NJ then awarded her 17K a month alimony. My friend got sick and lost the job, but it didn't stop the payments. She refused to let him see their kids, the courts fucked him, and in no time he was homeless and in the woods talking to trees, and died a few years later a broken man.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at September 16, 2022 11:35 AM (VwHCD)

187 I had a 2010 Subaru for a while (it sucked, total lemon, couldn't wait to unload it). On the back it said PZEV for partial-zero emission vehicle. WTF?

*

We had a Subara back in the early 2000s and loved it, but the idea that any manufacturing facility can be "landfill free" is utterly absurd.

I mean, I guess you can, but it's only because you're paying someone to ship it to something that you don't call a landfill.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 16, 2022 11:35 AM (rx7WQ)

188 BUT IT CAN GO 0 TO 60 IN 2.4 SECONDS!!!!!!

- - Battery Morons Everywhere
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 16, 2022 11:34 AM (9gDA7)

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And back down to zero in 150 miles or less.

Posted by: 496 at September 16, 2022 11:35 AM (VJsqe)

189 Zero emissions is almost as dumb as "carbon free".

We live on earth. Everything runs on carbon. We're fucking made of the stuff.

Lunacy.

Posted by: Sharkman at September 16, 2022 11:35 AM (Pq0CS)

190 Hydrogen fuel would be fabulous, except it’s energy intensive to create, there’s no distribution network for it (much like electric car chargers), and the drivers need to understand that in the event of a serious collision, they’re driving a medium sized bomb.

Other than that…

Posted by: Advo at September 16, 2022 11:35 AM (LcnVR)

191 I'm surprised the EV elite haven't "solved" the problem by requiring a conductive metal rail going down every road and highway.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at September 16, 2022 11:35 AM (a1ycR)

192 Manchin's an even bigger idiot that I thought. No matter how many Senators he gets on board, Pelosi's House will never pass it.

Perhaps, but he can still tell the voters of WV that he tried to help them. It won't work.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2022 11:35 AM (ayzS/)

193 BUT IT CAN GO 0 TO 60 IN 2.4 SECONDS!!!!!!

- - Battery Morons Everywhere
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 16, 2022 11:34 AM (9gDA7)

Which it totally irrelevant to mass transportation needs.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 16, 2022 11:35 AM (Y5qcH)

194 Carpetbagger: Your young friend could use some help.
[holds up a bottle of patent medicine]
Carpetbagger: This is it... one dollar a bottle. It works wonders on wounds.

Josey Wales: Works wonders on just about everything, eh?

Carpetbagger: It can do most anything.

Josey Wales: [spits tobacco juice on the carpetbagger's coat] How is it with stains?

'Twas ever thus with snakeoil salesmen.

Posted by: Count de Monet at September 16, 2022 11:36 AM (4I/2K)

195 Not in their jet engine division.

*

So I guess the environment isn't in that bad a shape. Weird.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 16, 2022 11:36 AM (rx7WQ)

196 BUT IT CAN GO 0 TO 60 IN 2.4 SECONDS!!!!!! - - Battery Morons Everywhere
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Talk about going nowhere fast...
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We dwarves are natural sprinters!

Posted by: squid_hunt at September 16, 2022 11:36 AM (S/NWs)

197 173 Alimony in this day and age is beyond ridiculous.
Posted by: polynikes at September 16, 2022 11:33 AM (9pcIx)

I 100% disagree. Although I think it should be available for whichever party gave up their career for the other in order to raise kids. And you see this in the rich all the time - rich Hollywood females now paying...

That person gets made whole by being able to pursue a career if you ditch them - if that means getting the degree later, that's what it means.

It's a great incentive to be smart about who you marry and to not just ditch your family and kids on a whim.

Now, if you want to limit alimony years to number of married years, we can talk...

Posted by: Nova local at September 16, 2022 11:36 AM (exHjb)

198 True flight has evolved only four times in animals: insects, pterosaurs, birds, and bats.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 16, 2022 11:36 AM (F7bjs)

199 185 Not in their jet engine division.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 16, 2022 11:35 AM (9gDA7)

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That's one of the cornerstones of my dad's consulting work right now.

Their engines are melting at high temperatures (despite their models), and he's using his expertise in experimental design to find ways to fix it.

Jet engines should be a cash cow for a company like this as they sell parts and regular maintenance on an engine for more than a decade, but because the engines are actually melting, they're losing a billion dollars a year.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 16, 2022 11:36 AM (LvTSG)

200 Niki-Niki-Tavi kill Naga and Nageera, and chirren. You betcha.

Posted by: Eromero at September 16, 2022 11:36 AM (/RDPd)

201 "We put up a new Ford EV against a 30 year old truck, and you'll never guess..."

"Yeah, I guessed it."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

I guethed too! I guethed it!!

Posted by: Corky at September 16, 2022 11:36 AM (M9XmQ)

202
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Talk about going nowhere fast...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 16, 2022 11:35 AM (LvTSG)

Had a guy talking to us about his uncle's Tesla and how fast it was. I had all I could do not to remind him that every time he accelerates heavy, he takes 20 - 30 minutes off the battery pack.

But make sure you have the A/C blowing full blast while sitting in traffic at Texas's 100 degree heat.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 16, 2022 11:36 AM (9gDA7)

203 A hybrid vehicle can make sense. (It is still heavy as hell.) But pure electric (setting aside the issue of power generation) are still shit. They will stay shit if they are subsidized at this level because there will be no impetus for innovation.

Communism/Socialism DESTROYS innovation and invention.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 16, 2022 11:37 AM (5r4XQ)

204 Sneaky bastards.

Part of the Joe Manchin inflation act sets up a carbon exchange just like Al Gore did.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 16, 2022 11:37 AM (9qSw/)

205 Honestly, the state sounds like they are in the right...if she didn't have a college degree, and thus no possible career outside of minimum wage, after you broke up...then, the cheapest option is to have you pay the degree and then end the alimony once she graduates.

Way cheaper than permanent alimony for life...so, you got off very lucky...
Posted by: Nova local at September 16, 2022 11:27 AM (exHjb)

Not to spoil more than I already have, but this assumption is incorrect. She could have a reasonably well-paying job with her current credentials now, if she wanted to.

Two years may be a short time for those over 29, but just think about what happened the last 2 years politically. I have to go through that again, just to have absolutely nothing saved up for the future. It's going to have far-ranging consequences outside of the two years.

Posted by: 90% Population Reductioners at September 16, 2022 11:37 AM (BCSAN)

206 177
I had a 2010 Subaru for a while (it sucked, total lemon, couldn't wait to unload it). On the back it said PZEV for partial-zero emission vehicle. WTF?

... Hmm

Posted by: SMOD at September 16, 2022 11:37 AM (RHGPo)

207 BUT IT CAN GO 0 TO 60 IN 2.4 SECONDS!!!!!!

*

It's funny how absolutely no one cares about this.

You can't spend a decade insisting that these cars are viable commuters and everyone should have one and they're just normal cars and you should try one because they're completely normal and then BUT IT CAN GO 0 TO 60 IN 2.4 SECONDS!!!!!!

Nope. You have been telling me it's a commuter. It is. It's boring as heck, too. I don't care if it goes fast in a straight line. It's still boring. I'd rather look at a 1986 Grand National any day of the week.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 16, 2022 11:38 AM (rx7WQ)

208 "Sneaky bastards. Part of the Joe Manchin inflation act sets up a carbon exchange just like Al Gore did."

Republicans knew all of this and said nothing.

Posted by: squid_hunt at September 16, 2022 11:38 AM (S/NWs)

209 >>>It's a great incentive to be smart about who you marry and to not just ditch your family and kids on a whim.

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It is 100% a disincentive to men to marry or even date. MGTOW is a thing for a reason.

Posted by: 496 at September 16, 2022 11:38 AM (VJsqe)

210 Honestly, the state sounds like they are in the right...if she didn't have a college degree, and thus no possible career outside of minimum wage, after you broke up...then, the cheapest option is to have you pay the degree and then end the alimony once she graduates.

Way cheaper than permanent alimony for life...so, you got off very lucky...
Posted by: Nova local at September 16, 2022 11:27 AM (exHjb)

——-

I’ve been having some marriage problems and started exploring options. If you are an ordinary middle class man, many states require the woman to work upon divorce. Most of the horror stories revolve around child support and women yanking men’s chains to access the children and also dividing retirement funds.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at September 16, 2022 11:38 AM (H37KB)

211 True flight has evolved only four times in animals: insects, pterosaurs, birds, and bats.

Were any of them wearing bicycle shorts?

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2022 11:39 AM (ayzS/)

212 My favorite "Harvest Moon" is by Foxes and Fossils:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA0Vl0gre6U

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at September 16, 2022 11:39 AM (sWM8x)

213
Jet engines should be a cash cow for a company like this as they sell parts and regular maintenance on an engine for more than a decade, but because the engines are actually melting, they're losing a billion dollars a year.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 16, 2022 11:36 AM (LvTSG)

Glad I'm not flying anytime soon that I know of.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 16, 2022 11:39 AM (9gDA7)

214 190 Hydrogen fuel would be fabulous, except it’s energy intensive to create, there’s no distribution network for it (much like electric car chargers), and the drivers need to understand that in the event of a serious collision, they’re driving a medium sized bomb.

Other than that…
Posted by: Advo at September 16, 2022 11:35 AM (LcnVR)

There is an existing distribution network to supply hydrogen to chemical plants and refineries. Hydrogen infrastructure is capital intensive and would be difficult and expensive to supply to a commercial network like gas stations.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 16, 2022 11:39 AM (Y5qcH)

215 Hydrogen fuel would be fabulous, except it’s energy intensive to create, there’s no distribution network for it (much like electric car chargers), and the drivers need to understand that in the event of a serious collision, they’re driving a medium sized bomb.

Other than that…

Posted by: Advo at September 16, 2022 11:35 AM (LcnVR)

One of the major problems they are having with hydrogen fuel is that it has to be converted into what they call Blue Ammonia so it is stable to transport. No real practical way to do that.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at September 16, 2022 11:39 AM (OgrpQ)

216 "Unfortunately for GM, their CEO is not one of those employees."

Now that right there is funny!

Posted by: Pussy Galore at September 16, 2022 11:39 AM (aoFfE)

217 BUT IT CAN GO 0 TO 60 IN 2.4 SECONDS!!!!!!

- - Battery Morons Everywhere
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 16, 2022 11:34 AM (9gDA7)

.. if you only need another beer

Posted by: SMOD at September 16, 2022 11:39 AM (RHGPo)

218 Posted by: 90% Population Reductioners at September 16, 2022 11:37 AM (BCSAN)

Off Great Resetter's sock

Posted by: Homer's Donuts at September 16, 2022 11:39 AM (BCSAN)

219 MGTOW is a thing for a reason.

Maximum Gross Take-Off Weight?

(I hang around aviation forums too much.)

Posted by: spindrift at September 16, 2022 11:39 AM (h5TKJ)

220 Two years may be a short time for those over 29, but just think about what happened the last 2 years politically. I have to go through that again, just to have absolutely nothing saved up for the future. It's going to have far-ranging consequences outside of the two years.
Posted by: 90% Population Reductioners at September 16, 2022 11:37 AM (BCSAN)

And society wants folks to really decide if divorce is worth it, and not just do it on a whim b/c it's cheap and easy. Society works b/c of the commitment to families...not the destruction of them...easy divorce and out of wedlock kids were two of the hallmark 20th century issues that have brought us to where we are...

Posted by: Nova local at September 16, 2022 11:39 AM (exHjb)

221
Were any of them wearing bicycle shorts?
Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2022 11:39 AM (ayzS/)

LOOK AT MUHCOCK!!!

Posted by: Cyclists in Their Shorts at the Supermarket at September 16, 2022 11:39 AM (9gDA7)

222 I think there might stil be a red wave but it ill be in the senate

there was never going to be a big wave in the house cuz the flip opportunities are limited

the dims have a appx 9 seat advantage . In 2010, they had a 79 seat advantage

Posted by: REDACTED at September 16, 2022 11:39 AM (us2H3)

223 Part of the Joe Manchin inflation act sets up a carbon exchange just like Al Gore did.

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Remember when the SCOTUS ruled that the EPA couldn't regulate CO2? The Inflation Reduction act gave the EPA that power. Because inflation.

Internal combustion engines will be banned accordingly. It's just a matter of time. Not outright, but via tightened emissions testing and restrictions. "Oh gosh, only EVs can meet the CO2 standards! Goodness, would you look at that!"

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 16, 2022 11:40 AM (rx7WQ)

224 25 Milton will get a slap on the wrist, walk away with a fortune, and pop up somewhere else hawking some investment scam. It's like playing a game of Whack-A-Mole with these thieves.

Posted by: Elric Blade at September 16, 2022 11:07 AM (iFTx/)
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Anyone know where are Solyndra's management and what are they doing currently?

Posted by: Ciampino would like a bit of that money at September 16, 2022 11:40 AM (qfLjt)

225 We have already had what ? .. one or two freighter "light my fire" in the middle of the Atlantic ?

Posted by: SMOD at September 16, 2022 11:40 AM (RHGPo)

226 The community property states, of which Texas is one, have a much better system than the alimony states (I believe) Assets are split at the time of divorce (lots of rules as to what constitutes community property and what is private property) Now child support payments for those under 18 who do not live with a parent are standard, but that's not alimony.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 16, 2022 11:40 AM (trdmm)

227 222 I think there might stil be a red wave but it ill be in the senate

there was never going to be a big wave in the house cuz the flip opportunities are limited

the dims have a appx 9 seat advantage . In 2010, they had a 79 seat advantage
Posted by: REDACTED at September 16, 2022 11:39 AM (us2H3)

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I don't think there will be 60-80 seat flip in the House. I think the 2023 House will look similar to the 2011 House in terms of raw numbers.

That's enough of a wave for me.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 16, 2022 11:40 AM (LvTSG)

228 I have to say, our AZ high desert oasis is strictly off grid solar/LiFePo battery powered. We would never go back to grid power.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at September 16, 2022 11:41 AM (A7urr)

229 SOLYDRA ~~2.0~~ 52.0+

Posted by: Lady of the Court at September 16, 2022 11:41 AM (I/doM)

230 "there was never going to be a big wave in the house cuz the flip opportunities are limited"

Real clear has red seats up by about 30 with 30 toss ups. If the Republicans would wake up and start campaigning, they could pull out a genuine win. My theory is that they don't want to set Biden up like they did Clinton by fixing all his stupidity. They want the low margins.

Posted by: squid_hunt at September 16, 2022 11:41 AM (S/NWs)

231 What idiots

Posted by: Gonzotx at September 16, 2022 11:42 AM (t4poC)

232 What could go wrong?
Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at September 16, 2022 11:28 AM (M9XmQ)

Everything that goes wrong NOW, except the cops have one fewer reason to jail someone exercising his or her basic human rights.

So call it a win.

Call it a double win, because I erased my original response to you. It was a long scream about the inadvisability of restricting rights because a minority of people do bad things because that is what totalitarian states do.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 16, 2022 11:42 AM (xhaym)

233 90. Absolutely correct. Mary Barra is 100% in bed with the Biden administration and all of its green nutters. It does not matter to her what happens to GM other than moving full speed ahead on EVs.

Posted by: Jen the original at September 16, 2022 11:42 AM (b7K/r)

234 Manchin is a pimp
Posted by: REDACTED

They're all grifters, pimps and various grades of sociopath. To quote Friedman for the nth time:

I have often said we shall not correct the state of affairs by electing the right people; we’ve tried that. The right people before they’re elected become the wrong people after they’re elected. The important thing is to make it politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing.

Posted by: quantum mechanic at September 16, 2022 11:42 AM (g1EEm)

235 138 Theranos girl is a 1.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 16, 2022 11:26 AM (44ww/)

_________________________

A 1? She's a CEO 8. That, plus the fact that she's a woman regardless of looks, plus all the hype and hope of the product, plus that she was apparently a very slick salesman, meant that NOBODY was going to ask any questions. The whole thing was tailor-made for the old saw "if it looks too good to be true, it is."

Posted by: Elric Blade at September 16, 2022 11:42 AM (iFTx/)

236 CEO Mary Barra

... nuff said

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 16, 2022 11:42 AM (Ivdso)

237 I’ve been having some marriage problems and started exploring options. If you are an ordinary middle class man, many states require the woman to work upon divorce. Most of the horror stories revolve around child support and women yanking men’s chains to access the children and also dividing retirement funds.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at September 16, 2022 11:38 AM (H37KB
*

If it's still an option:

Hold Me Tight
The Divorce Remedy
Fighting for Your Marriage

There are others but that's a start. Marriage is hard as heck but it's always worth trying. Good luck.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 16, 2022 11:42 AM (rx7WQ)

238 Speaking of frauds, I see Elizabeth 'Finger Prick' Holmes has successfully delayed her sentencing again by getting knocked up again.

Posted by: lowandslow at September 16, 2022 11:42 AM (qH6FZ)

239 145 OT -- Teachers and Staff Members in Ohio Can Now Legally Carry Firearms on Campus
---
Welp, conservatives. We got what we asked for. Now sit and wait for the results of Libs of TikTok orange-haired nosering tattoo gender-fucked pedo freak shows -- WITH GUNS.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at September 16, 2022 11:28 AM

Considering drug use and seveee mental illness are supposed to be disqualifiers,, and lying on the firearm purchase form is a felony....yeah, they'll get a pass.

Posted by: Grimmy at September 16, 2022 11:43 AM (JCZqz)

240 Manchin is a pimp
Posted by: REDACTED

He could never have outfought Santino

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 16, 2022 11:43 AM (dO/0d)

241 She refused to let him see their kids, the courts fucked him, and in no time he was homeless and in the woods talking to trees, and died a few years later a broken man.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division

He had an incredibly shitty lawyer. And the evil bitch deserves Hell. RIP.

Posted by: Sharkman at September 16, 2022 11:43 AM (Pq0CS)

242 Posted by: Nova local at September 16, 2022 11:36 AM (exHjb)

We will have to agree to disagree. First it's not awarded just for abandonment as you put it. And Texas is doing just fine without alimony.

Posted by: polynikes at September 16, 2022 11:43 AM (9pcIx)

243
Real clear has red seats up by about 30 with 30 toss ups. If the Republicans would wake up and start campaigning, they could pull out a genuine win. My theory is that they don't want to set Biden up like they did Clinton by fixing all his stupidity. They want the low margins.
Posted by: squid_hunt at September 16, 2022 11:41 AM (S/NWs)

I got this!

*films another commercial skydiving from an airplane*

Posted by: Dan "Eyepatch McCain" Crenshaw at September 16, 2022 11:43 AM (9gDA7)

244 olgf, suckers

Posted by: Lord Humungus at September 16, 2022 11:43 AM (yHsuS)

245 I have to say, our AZ high desert oasis is strictly off grid solar/LiFePo battery powered.

Your batteries are Polonium powered? Does Putin know about this?

*yes, I know it's PO4*

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2022 11:44 AM (ayzS/)

246 I'm really enjoying this Martha's Vinyard story way too much.

Posted by: Sharkman at September 16, 2022 11:44 AM (Pq0CS)

247 Hold Me Tight
The Divorce Remedy
Fighting for Your Marriage

There are others but that's a start. Marriage is hard as heck but it's always worth trying. Good luck.

*

Oh, and the arms of a church family if you're not in one. Prayer and guidance and fellowship helps. Again, good luck.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 16, 2022 11:44 AM (rx7WQ)

248 It does not matter to her what happens to GM other than moving full speed ahead on EVs.
Posted by: Jen

All that matters to her (and any of these C-suite execs) is their compensation. GM's ill-conceived Nikola partnership was about one thing only: trying to grab some of Tesla's ridiculous stock-price multiple.

Posted by: quantum mechanic at September 16, 2022 11:44 AM (g1EEm)

249 Factcheck.afp reported:

Social media posts claim Queen Elizabeth II announced before she died that she had information that could lead to the arrest of Hillary Clinton. This is false; there is no record of the queen making such a statement, and the claim matches a years-old meme that reflects a conspiracy theory that the former secretary of state and her husband kill their political opponents.
“I have information that will lead to the arrest of Hillary Clinton,” the queen is quoted as saying in an Instagram post shared September 9, 2022.

Posted by: SMOD at September 16, 2022 11:45 AM (RHGPo)

250 Considering drug use and seveee mental illness are supposed to be disqualifiers,, and lying on the firearm purchase form is a felony....yeah, they'll get a pass.
Posted by: Grimmy at September 16, 2022 11:43 AM (JCZqz)

The Feds don't even want the background check system to be successful. They want lunatics to get guns so they can pass more regs on the way to confiscation.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 16, 2022 11:45 AM (Y5qcH)

251 A 1? She's a CEO 8.

*looks at picture of Marissa Mayer*
*looks at picture of Elizabeth Holmes*

That's on an exponential scale, right?

Posted by: spindrift at September 16, 2022 11:45 AM (h5TKJ)

252 It does not matter to her what happens to GM other than moving full speed ahead on EVs.
Posted by: Jen

*

(looks to see when H.R. Mary became CEO)

Huh. Right after Obama took control of GM. Weird.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 16, 2022 11:45 AM (rx7WQ)

253 Posted by: Elric Blade at September 16, 2022 11:42 AM (iFTx/)

A 1 around here is on a binary scale.
You'd do her? A 1
You wouldn't? 0

It used to be called the ScoggDog binary, but he's gone and all that remains is confusing newbs by calling someone a 1

Posted by: Buddy at September 16, 2022 11:45 AM (FCbAQ)

254 "Oh, and the arms of a church family if you're not in one. Prayer and guidance and fellowship helps. "

I've yet to find a good church when it comes to marriage disputes. Men can't cry on tap.

Posted by: squid_hunt at September 16, 2022 11:45 AM (S/NWs)

255 Now having said all I said about divorce, I would never recommend marriage.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at September 16, 2022 11:45 AM (H37KB)

256 I wonder how states can fight back against these Draconian rules.

You'd think there would be some laws or something that allow states to ignore economy crippling bullshit from the idiots in charge.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 16, 2022 11:46 AM (mZ3xv)

257 And people wonder why I'm a committed bachelor . . . . LOL.

Posted by: Elric Blade at September 16, 2022 11:46 AM (iFTx/)

258 Posted by: MAGA_Ken at September 16, 2022 11:38 AM (H37KB)

-------
Also, bust out your copy of The Art of War and reread it.

Just in case.

Posted by: 496 at September 16, 2022 11:46 AM (VJsqe)

259
He had an incredibly shitty lawyer. And the evil bitch deserves Hell. RIP.
Posted by: Sharkman at September 16, 2022 11:43 AM (Pq0CS)

This. Get a GOOD lawyer. My dad did. He had more money than my mom. She got SCREWED in the divorce. She got airline miles, mostly. Airline miles.........

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 16, 2022 11:46 AM (9gDA7)

260 After Dealing With Martha's Vineyard HOA, Migrants Decide Go Back And Take Their Chances With The Cartels

Posted by: SMOD at September 16, 2022 11:46 AM (RHGPo)

261 The left is moving way past electric cars. They want to ban private transport all together and put us all on crowded public crap or on bicycles

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 16, 2022 11:46 AM (dO/0d)

262 138 Theranos girl is a 1.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 16, 2022 11:26 AM (44ww/)

Not in my universe...

She's a fuckin' bunny boiler!

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at September 16, 2022 11:47 AM (BgMrQ)

263 "Also, bust out your copy of The Art of War and reread it. Just in case."

This is some solid divorce advice.

Posted by: squid_hunt at September 16, 2022 11:47 AM (S/NWs)

264 Sultry serenader Hako has lips that go all the way down to her ass:
youtube.com/watch?v=hboXXVfj24M

Posted by: gp's Electro-Tonic Tension at September 16, 2022 11:47 AM (24fqN)

265 98 So was this truck supposed to be an electric/ hydrogen combo? I don't know why they couldn't produce a working one of those even if was a copy of the existing EV and hydrogen tech.
Posted by: polynikes

Probably supposed to be a hydrogen fuel cell truck, but the tech isn't there and the cost for the a fuel system is more than an diesel rig is right now.

Posted by: No Name Nobody at September 16, 2022 11:47 AM (gAAPy)

266 Now having said all I said about divorce, I would never recommend marriage.

Except that if you get a good one, it's the best thing that will ever happen to you.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 16, 2022 11:48 AM (ayzS/)

267 CEO Mary Barra

... nuff said
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 16, 2022 11:42 AM (Ivdso)

What have you got against Italians?

Posted by: JoeF. at September 16, 2022 11:48 AM (mR6Gs)

268 Real clear has red seats up by about 30 with 30 toss ups. If the Republicans would wake up and start campaigning, they could pull out a genuine win. My theory is that they don't want to set Biden up like they did Clinton by fixing all his stupidity. They want the low margins.
Posted by: squid_hunt at September 16, 2022 11:41 AM (S/NWs)

This is smart considering Biden (and his handlers) are gearing up to demand their liquidation.

Fucking idiots.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 16, 2022 11:48 AM (5r4XQ)

269 Fun fact about community property laws - Alimony and it's associated evils descend from English Common Law, but Community Property laws derive from Spanish Law (similar to most continental European law) English Common Law is usually very good when it comes to most human rights, but it was actually terrible when it came to any family law or inheritance law. Texas and most of the southwestern states have a fusion of English and Spanish legal systems; and then there's Louisiana, which is still based on Napoleonic Code.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 16, 2022 11:48 AM (trdmm)

270 138 Theranos girl is a 1.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 16, 2022 11:26 AM

The bigger question is, is her fake baritone voice sexier, or her natural girl voice?
https://youtu.be/ymXePUOTnOs

No trans jokes, or jokes about women being best when quiet allowed.

Also, if you say she's a 1, this video on her voice change starts with a picture of her with SUPER crazy eyes. And you know the rule. https://youtu.be/PL6ld4qDKNI

Posted by: Grimmy at September 16, 2022 11:48 AM (JCZqz)

271 Is there a chance the tracks might bend?

Posted by: Kustie The Klown at September 16, 2022 11:49 AM (FpPBC)

272 MGTOW is a thing for a reason.

Maximum Gross Take-Off Weight?

(I hang around aviation forums too much.)
Posted by: spindrift at September 16, 2022 11:39 AM (h5TKJ)

i mean, that's not wrong either...

Posted by: SturmToddler at September 16, 2022 11:49 AM (Mkvkw)

273 "Oh, and the arms of a church family if you're not in one. Prayer and guidance and fellowship helps. "

I've yet to find a good church when it comes to marriage disputes. Men can't cry on tap.
Posted by: squid_hunt at September 16, 2022 11:45 AM (S/NWs)

The organization behind Grief Share also has a divorce recovery program. I can't speak to the divorce program but Grief Share was helpful me

Posted by: That NLurker guy at September 16, 2022 11:49 AM (eGTCV)

274 My favorite "Harvest Moon" is by Foxes and Fossils:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA0Vl0gre6U

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis

They are a fantastic little cover band.

Posted by: Sharkman at September 16, 2022 11:49 AM (Pq0CS)

275 Ace Of Spades HQ Zero Emissions Car Company

.....just think all the hookers and cocaine we could buy!

Posted by: JROD at September 16, 2022 11:49 AM (0jZnq)

276 Except that if you get a good one, it's the best thing that will ever happen to you.

*

Yep. And that whole seven year thing is spoken about for a reason. If you can get past that and into year ten you've got a good chance of making it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 16, 2022 11:50 AM (rx7WQ)

277 Ace Of Spades HQ Zero Emissions Car Company

.....just think all the hookers and cocaine we could buy!
Posted by: JROD at September 16, 2022 11:49 AM (0jZnq)

And never be required to build ONE CAR.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 16, 2022 11:50 AM (9gDA7)

278 Thanks rickb223 for the illuminating stats on the EV boondoggle. I wonder how long it would avoid the 'fact-checkers' if posted on Fakebook.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at September 16, 2022 11:50 AM (fs1hN)

279 You'd think there would be some laws or something that allow states to ignore economy crippling bullshit from the idiots in charge.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 16, 2022 11:46 AM (mZ3xv)
---
All your commerce are belong us.

Posted by: United States Congress at September 16, 2022 11:51 AM (krQz2)

280 275 Ace Of Spades HQ Zero Emissions Car Company

.....just think all the hookers and cocaine we could buy!
Posted by: JROD at September 16, 2022 11:49 AM (0jZnq)

I would not want to do that to AOP. He would be busting his ass trying to make it work while the rest of us were either looking at porn or just sitting there with a stupid expression on our face.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 16, 2022 11:51 AM (5r4XQ)

281 275 Ace Of Spades HQ Zero Emissions Car Company

.....just think all the hookers and cocaine we could buy!
Posted by: JROD at September 16, 2022 11:49 AM

Wheels of Endor! Powered by the Force!

Posted by: Scam pitch guy at September 16, 2022 11:51 AM (JCZqz)

282 The bigger question is, is her fake baritone voice sexier, or her natural girl voice?
https://youtu.be/ymXePUOTnOs

No trans jokes, or jokes about women being best when quiet allowed. ...
Posted by: Grimmy at September 16, 2022 11:48 AM (JCZqz)
++++
Natural, hands-down. Her weird fake lower register is off-putting and awkward and sounds a lot like she's trying to sound like a man so as to appear powerful.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 16, 2022 11:51 AM (t0OGg)

283 So Massholes are shipping the new Martha's Vineyard residents to a military base.

Where...they will be quietly flown out in the middle of the night to...you guessed it...middle America.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 16, 2022 11:52 AM (mZ3xv)

284
Yep. And that whole seven year thing is spoken about for a reason. If you can get past that and into year ten you've got a good chance of making it.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 16, 2022 11:50 AM (rx7WQ)

18 years and counting. Buddy of mine is jealous. Any chick he dates for any length of time will be REQUIRED to spend time with my wife to learn how to be a cool wife.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 16, 2022 11:52 AM (9gDA7)

285 So they are basically a factory building entity. They build the sweet, decked out factory then go broke before anything is manufactured there, then sell the empty factory to a real company that exists and makes stuff, at a ridiculous loss.

Posted by: Kustie The Klown at September 16, 2022 11:52 AM (FpPBC)

286 And people wonder why I'm a committed bachelor . . . . LOL.
Posted by: Elric Blade

That used to mean you were at high risk of monkeypox...

Posted by: quantum mechanic at September 16, 2022 11:52 AM (g1EEm)

287 255 Now having said all I said about divorce, I would never recommend marriage.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at September 16, 2022 11:45 AM (H37KB)

after 3 bad marriages, my sister swore that she would never be married again. But she's been living with a (previously divorced) man for 12 years now, who also said he would never be married again. Now that they're both pushing 60, they've started telling family they've finally decided its time to get married, although it's going to be a small and very private ceremony and they don't want many people to know about it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 16, 2022 11:52 AM (trdmm)

288 So Massholes are shipping the new Martha's Vineyard residents to a military base.

Where...they will be quietly flown out in the middle of the night to...you guessed it...middle America.

Posted by: AlaBAMA

*

I think it was rickb223 who pointed out that THIS is kidnapping.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 16, 2022 11:52 AM (rx7WQ)

289 ~~Lycanthropy~~ Lysenkoism is alive and well.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 16, 2022 11:52 AM (44ww/)

290 ^F Xiden
"No matches"

Huh.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 16, 2022 11:53 AM (nfrXX)

291 @277 Sponge-I'm sure we have enough commenters here that we could build some douche looking mock up and roll it down a slight grade somewhere. With the money the government is handing out out in subsidies we could all eventually retire at a compound in Texas or something.

Posted by: JROD at September 16, 2022 11:53 AM (0jZnq)

292 Immigrants taken from Martha vineyard to nearby homer air force base

Posted by: SMOD at September 16, 2022 11:53 AM (RHGPo)

293 and then there's Louisiana, which is still based on Napoleonic Code.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 16, 2022 11:48 AM (trdmm)

Puerto Rico bases a lot of its laws and statutes on Spanish law. Not references to Spanish Empire colonial law, not Spanish law from the Bourbons, but actual recent laws passed in the Spanish Parliament under freakin' Rey Juan Carlos.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 16, 2022 11:53 AM (xhaym)

294 Posted by: Kindltot at September 16, 2022 11:42 AM

I'm glad you decided not to scream at me. Thank you, and point taken.

Pardon my cynicism lately. It's hard not to be, with most of our wins turning out to be either empty and fruitless, or complete backstabbing losses.

Posted by: Corky at September 16, 2022 11:54 AM (M9XmQ)

295 Harvest Moon, BOC.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt

Thank you! (One of their best post-Albert Bouchard songs.)

Posted by: SFGoth at September 16, 2022 11:54 AM (KAi1n)

296 I'm surprised the EV elite haven't "solved" the problem by requiring a conductive metal rail going down every road and highway.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at September 16, 2022 11:35 AM (a1ycR)

I'm thinking, based on extensive engineering, construction, and operating experiences as an 8yo, of a sort of slot in each lane that is covered with a conductive strip of metal. The vehicles would need to have a nylon guide with contact brushes to interface with the slot and receive the electrical charge to power the vehicle's motot.

Posted by: Count de Monet at September 16, 2022 11:54 AM (4I/2K)

297 Natural, hands-down. Her weird fake lower register is off-putting and awkward and sounds a lot like she's trying to sound like a man so as to appear powerful.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 16, 2022 11:51 AM (t0OGg)

you know she had some hollywood voice coach teach her how to do that.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 16, 2022 11:54 AM (trdmm)

298 And people wonder why I'm a committed bachelor . . . . LOL.
Posted by: Elric Blade
___

No, some of us don't wonder at all.

Posted by: SMH at September 16, 2022 11:55 AM (ZTzFi)

299 Most intelligent thing I did during my divorce; got the ex to sign away her rights to my retirement pension and 401K. Had to fork over $100K up front, but she pissed that away in 2 years.

*spits

Worthless POS from day one and I knew it. But... we had a kid.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 16, 2022 11:55 AM (BFigT)

300 /off, differently-abled sock

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at September 16, 2022 11:55 AM (M9XmQ)

301 Favorite song about a Harvest Moon: https://youtu.be/FJSlUmxFCZs

Posted by: Axeman at September 16, 2022 11:55 AM (krQz2)

302 Pardon my cynicism lately. It's hard not to be, with most of our wins turning out to be either empty and fruitless, or complete backstabbing losses.
Posted by: Corky at September 16, 2022 11:54 AM (M9XmQ)

I'm about ready to bite people myself.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 16, 2022 11:55 AM (xhaym)

303 Wheels of Endor! Powered by the Force!
Posted by: Scam pitch guy at September 16, 2022 11:51 AM (JCZqz)

It runs on hobo grease! The only reason the big guys do not do this is because they are slaves to profit!

Company Letterhead:
https://tinyurl.com/4ycywbte

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 16, 2022 11:55 AM (5r4XQ)

304 I'm thinking, based on extensive engineering, construction, and operating experiences as an 8yo, of a sort of slot in each lane that is covered with a conductive strip of metal. The vehicles would need to have a nylon guide with contact brushes to interface with the slot and receive the electrical charge to power the vehicle's motor.
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 16, 2022 11:54 AM (4I/2K)

and then you could hire a teen age boy with a video link and a joystick to be the driver.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 16, 2022 11:56 AM (trdmm)

305 247 Hold Me Tight
The Divorce Remedy
Fighting for Your Marriage

There are others but that's a start. Marriage is hard as heck but it's always worth trying. Good luck.

*

——-

It takes two to tango in a marriage and if one party isn’t willing to put in the effort all the books and counseling won’t help a bit.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at September 16, 2022 11:56 AM (H37KB)

306 So the elitist mega-hypocrites of the American left in Martha's Vineyard have their very own invisible border wall. #illegalshavenohomehere

Posted by: Lady in Black at September 16, 2022 11:56 AM (sVtYq)

307 I would not want to do that to AOP. He would be busting his ass trying to make it work while the rest of us were either looking at porn or just sitting there with a stupid expression on our face.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 16, 2022 11:51 AM (5r4XQ)

I plan on looking over his shoulder and second guessing everything he does.

Posted by: lowandslow at September 16, 2022 11:56 AM (qH6FZ)

308

>>Admittedly, these technologies can have their place, but you have to look beyond the myth of emission freedom.

This entire "transition" to "zero emissions" is, predicated on a lie, built on marxist and utopian fantasy, that are impractical, inefficient, unscalable , unaffordable, unworkable and will result in misery, dislocation, death, disruption and destruction of our way of life.

But here we are and here we go.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 16, 2022 11:56 AM (qHQJE)

309 Immigrants taken from Martha vineyard to nearby homer air force base
Posted by: SMOD
__

Figures.

Posted by: SMH at September 16, 2022 11:56 AM (ZTzFi)

310 I want to build a ICE vehicle that captures exhaust heat to generate steam that is then used to aid in propulsion. large trucks are the best candidates.

Doesn't need any new technology, just some good design and manufacturing.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 16, 2022 11:56 AM (UuD2k)

311 The bigger question is, is her fake baritone voice sexier, or her natural girl voice?
https://youtu.be/ymXePUOTnOs

A lot of rock-blues women, EG Gin Wigmore, have two ranges. More than once I have stopped to figure out who the new singer is.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 16, 2022 11:56 AM (44ww/)

312 My ex and I don't have an agreement, and I keep her in line by paying her far more generously than i would if we had an agreement. So she is always under the threat that if she wants to seek sole custody and all that, then I can pull about half of the money I pay her. Seems to work so far. Neither of us has sought an actual divorce yet at this point.

Posted by: Kustie The Klown at September 16, 2022 11:57 AM (FpPBC)

313 A lot of rock-blues women, EG Gin Wigmore, have two ranges. More than once I have stopped to figure out who the new singer is.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 16, 2022 11:56 AM (44ww/)

--------
And then there's Portugal The Man...

Posted by: 496 at September 16, 2022 11:57 AM (VJsqe)

314 28 "This one was propelled by gravity. It was not a real truck."

Yeah, but gravity is zero emissions and 100% renewable. Good intentions are what count.

Posted by: Ripley at September 16, 2022 11:07 AM (MxEKc)
----
Renewable only if it's downhill both ways.

Posted by: Ciampino remembers the 4 Yorkshire men at September 16, 2022 11:57 AM (qfLjt)

315 So they are basically a factory building entity. They build the sweet, decked out factory then go broke before anything is manufactured there, then sell the empty factory to a real company that exists and makes stuff, at a ridiculous loss.
Posted by: Kustie The Klown

Tony Soprano is sooooo jealous!

Posted by: rickb223 at September 16, 2022 11:57 AM (HspZ0)

316 298 And people wonder why I'm a committed bachelor . . . . LOL.
Posted by: Elric Blade
___

No, some of us don't wonder at all.
Posted by: SMH at September 16, 2022 11:55 AM (ZTzFi)

Ouch.

*picks up telephone*

Yes, 911? I'd like to report a murder...

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 16, 2022 11:57 AM (5r4XQ)

317 I don't think I'd recommend the church for the disputes, but just to be in church.

There's a not Christian but something that is often used by Christian-focused counseling that doesn't lay all the blame on the guy. Look for

Emotionally focused therapy

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 16, 2022 11:57 AM (rx7WQ)

318 >>> 261 The left is moving way past electric cars. They want to ban private transport all together and put us all on crowded public crap or on bicycles
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 16, 2022 11:46 AM (dO/0d)

Finally, someone is paying attention to us!!!

Posted by: WEF at September 16, 2022 11:58 AM (llON8)

319 I'm thinking, based on extensive engineering, construction, and operating experiences as an 8yo, of a sort of slot in each lane that is covered with a conductive strip of metal. The vehicles would need to have a nylon guide with contact brushes to interface with the slot and receive the electrical charge to power the vehicle's motor.
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 16, 2022 11:54 AM (4I/2K)

and then you could hire a teen age boy with a video link and a joystick to be the driver.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 16, 2022 11:56 AM (trdmm)

OK, now I miss my childhood. Would give anything to race Dad again.

Posted by: Wally at September 16, 2022 11:59 AM (FJYfm)

320 SMH brings the smackdown

Posted by: Kratwurst at September 16, 2022 11:59 AM (nIRE6)

321 Software engineers from big tech firms like Google, Amazon, Microsoft, and Meta are paying at least $75,000 to get 3 inches taller, a leg-lengthening surgeon says

The Las Vegas surgeon can lengthen patients' legs via a painful months-long process.

He breaks the thigh bones and inserts nails that are extended every day for three months.

Posted by: SMOD at September 16, 2022 11:59 AM (RHGPo)

322 Talk about blue ball express... And wifey won't be home for 7 hours...

Posted by: Victor Viagra at September 16, 2022 11:59 AM (TFjWA)

323 It takes two to tango in a marriage and if one party isn’t willing to put in the effort all the books and counseling won’t help a bit.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken

*

Yeah, it's tough when one side seems to have given up. If you haven't, it's worth trying. Good luck.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 16, 2022 12:00 PM (rx7WQ)

324 Immigrants taken from Martha vineyard to nearby homer air force base

The news story about it is sickening, with ludicrous quotes about how the people of Martha's Vinyard bonded with the illegals after one day

One young man told me that the residents of Edgartown received them with love, and that he will carry their memory “in my mind and my heart.”

Yeah, that's the ticket. While shipping them off

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 16, 2022 12:00 PM (Ivdso)

325 https://tenor.com/IeFy.gif

I present to you the AofSHQ zero emissions auto

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at September 16, 2022 12:01 PM (flINI)

326 She refused to let him see their kids, the courts fucked him, and in no time he was homeless and in the woods talking to trees, and died a few years later a broken man.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division

First rule of divorce: it's total war, and the courts are 100% stacked against you as a guy. You're a life-support system for a wallet, nothing more. And lawyers are incentivized to escalate the conflict. I learned the hard way.

Prepare. Don't do anything rash. Minimize your income before divorcing. Hell, become a stay-at-home dad if you can. once you have made up your mind, don't give any indication of the way you are thinking. Play the long game.

Posted by: quantum mechanic at September 16, 2022 12:01 PM (g1EEm)

327 Jet engines should be a cash cow for a company like this as they sell parts and regular maintenance on an engine for more than a decade, but because the engines are actually melting, they're losing a billion dollars a year.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang

Your Dad is working on B-29s?

Posted by: Sharkman at September 16, 2022 12:01 PM (Pq0CS)

328 18 years and counting.
Posted by: Sponge

That's when my ex pulled the ripcord. Nothing but prayers and best wishes for you and yours.

I really mean it.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 16, 2022 12:01 PM (HspZ0)

329 No, some of us don't wonder at all.
Posted by: SMH at September 16, 2022 11:55 AM (ZTzFi)

ROTFLMAOASTC!

Posted by: creeper at September 16, 2022 12:01 PM (cTCuP)

330 One young man told me that the residents of Edgartown received them with love, and that he will carry their memory “in my mind and my heart.”

*

No one loves you like the people who called in the men with tanks and automatic weapons to carry you to a fenced in jail love you.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 16, 2022 12:01 PM (rx7WQ)

331 Thank you for the musical selection. The Mavericks did a nice version as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0UsWObeajQ

Posted by: butch at September 16, 2022 12:02 PM (cHvOo)

332 and then there's Louisiana, which is still based on Napoleonic Code.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 16, 2022 11:48 AM (trdmm)

When I took my Real Estate License test in 1982 while in college , the test was based on both US law and the Napoleonic code. It was supposed to have been a resume enhancer because of the difficulties in passing the test.

Posted by: polynikes at September 16, 2022 12:02 PM (9pcIx)

333 The news story about it is sickening, with ludicrous quotes about how the people of Martha's Vinyard bonded with the illegals after one day

One young man told me that the residents of Edgartown received them with love, and that he will carry their memory “in my mind and my heart.”

Que? No habla english.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 16, 2022 12:02 PM (HspZ0)

334 Applying TJM's model:

*thinks about having gone thru divorce hell*
*types comment about going thru divorce hell*
*has 2nd thoughts about receiving a SMH blistering reply*
*deletes post about going thru divorce hell*

😁

Posted by: Count de Monet at September 16, 2022 12:03 PM (4I/2K)

335 @324

>>Yeah, that's the ticket. While shipping them off

And right there in that one vignette, captures the full spectrum of mendacity, duplicity and venality of the left.

We can no longer live with these retarded f**ks.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 16, 2022 12:03 PM (qHQJE)

336 No one loves you like the people who called in the men with tanks and automatic weapons to carry you to a fenced in jail love you.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 16, 2022 12:01 PM (rx7WQ)

This is a guy who also believes that the stripper loved him.

Posted by: Wally at September 16, 2022 12:03 PM (FJYfm)

337 Napoleonic Code:
(points finger) "J'accuse!"
Now defend yourself.

Posted by: gourmand du jour staying in at September 16, 2022 12:04 PM (jTmQV)

338 309 Immigrants taken from Martha vineyard to nearby homer air force base
Posted by: SMOD
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So sanctuary cities DO rat out illegals.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at September 16, 2022 12:04 PM (H37KB)

339 One wag noted that they bussed all the diversity off the island from Martha's Vineyard after just one day. If that's not love what is?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 16, 2022 12:04 PM (Ivdso)

340 Play the long game.
Posted by: quantum mechanic at September 16, 2022 12:01 PM (g1EEm)

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Also (sorry 'ettes) women have a switch. When it gets switched, they go for blood... all of it.

Men, meanwhile, seem to go limp. How many times have you heard a guy saying he didn't want to be a bastard, he just wanted to put the whole thing behind him?

If it gets to that point, find your switch and go for blood. If you do so, you'll still only get half of what you want, but it's better than rolling over for someone who now wants everything you have and everything you're ever going to have.

Again, sorry 'ettes.

Posted by: 496 at September 16, 2022 12:04 PM (VJsqe)

341 NOODlum.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 16, 2022 12:04 PM (9gDA7)

342 When Ex-ex and I divorced back in 2012, there was no alimony, no child support.

When I told the judge I wanted nothing from the future ex-ex, she asked if I was sure. She seemed so disappointed that I wanted nothing from him.

Little did I know that the Lord had other plans.

Posted by: SMH at September 16, 2022 12:05 PM (ZTzFi)

343 Look, I love you Pablo, but I've already got a gardener. You got to go.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 16, 2022 12:05 PM (mZ3xv)

344 The left is moving way past electric cars. They want to ban private transport all together and put us all on crowded public crap or on bicycles
Posted by: Nevergiveup

Yay! I would have a two hour bus ride each way every day.

Don't know how those fuckers are going to get their wagyu beef? Because mine isn't leaving the property.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 16, 2022 12:06 PM (HspZ0)

345 298 And people wonder why I'm a committed bachelor . . . . LOL.
Posted by: Elric Blade
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No, some of us don't wonder at all.
Posted by: SMH at September 16, 2022 11:55 AM (ZTzFi)
_________________

Glad even you admit that marriage is generally a terrible idea for a guy!

Posted by: Elric Blade at September 16, 2022 12:09 PM (iFTx/)

346 Little did I know that the Lord had other plans.

Posted by: SMH

You were wise and gracious and honest. And He certainly did.

Posted by: Sharkman at September 16, 2022 12:10 PM (Pq0CS)

347 On the subject of divorce, as a lawyer I've been asked half-a-dozen times in the last few months for a referral for a divorce lawyer. (I'm a corporate litigator so I don't do family law.) My theory is that there's a spike in divorces -- or couples seriously considering divorce -- because of CV19. Couples who were unhappy going into CV19 lockdowns only became more unhappy, and now that CV19 is "over" they want out. Couples that were on the fence were forced to really live with each other during the lockdowns, and that made things worse and now they want out.

Posted by: Elric Blade at September 16, 2022 12:14 PM (iFTx/)

348 345 298
I'm a committed bachelor too!

Posted by: Lindsey Graham at September 16, 2022 12:14 PM (a1ycR)

349 286 And people wonder why I'm a committed bachelor . . . . LOL.
Posted by: Elric Blade

That used to mean you were at high risk of monkeypox...
Posted by: quantum mechanic at September 16, 2022 11:52 AM (g1EEm)
_______________________

Some people still do think that. "How can this guy still be single? Oh wait . . . ." LOL.

Posted by: Elric Blade at September 16, 2022 12:18 PM (iFTx/)

350 I read one suggestion about EV's. If it catches on fire, run like hell away from it. Don't charge you EV in your garage, if you like the house your living in.

Posted by: Colin at September 16, 2022 12:19 PM (Pc9Ox)

351
I think the COVID thing definitely killed a lot of sick marriages.

It disrupted so much, across the spectrum. It was a weird thing for me to witness, extremely surreal and disturbing.

Far from the Big Bad Case of the Sniffles, I was dealing with an actual problem (a very sick child) during that time.

If you were one of the people with actual problems, the Sniffles Madness was like 10x more bizarre than it was for people just going through their disrupted daily routines.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 16, 2022 12:22 PM (oINRc)

352 It used to be called the ScoggDog binary, but he's gone and all that remains is confusing newbs by calling someone a 1

Posted by: Buddy
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Scogg still appears here under a chain of new nics. Pretty easy to figure out as patterns repeat. Same for mini moo.

Posted by: whig at September 16, 2022 12:27 PM (CXr4y)

353 I had an idea for a story where Tesla goes to Mars and uses his earthquake machine to stop the Martian’s from attacking the Earth.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at September 16, 2022 11:30 AM (H37KB)

You know that pretty much happened in the sequel to WotW. I think it was mostly Thomas Edison pulling the weight though,

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 16, 2022 12:55 PM (yQpMk)

354 https://amz.run/5wto

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 16, 2022 01:45 PM (yQpMk)

355 Hope all those green fantasy fans invested their life savings in this brilliant firm, and double down on the next one that comes along.

Posted by: Obama's boyfriend at September 16, 2022 02:28 PM (EcD5Y)

356 Mary Barra is the choice of Government Motors. She is the face of incompetence at gm. The selection of Obamaites. GM needs to come back with a real car person at the helm and stop the insanity.

gm= government motors
GM = General Motors

The engineering and manufacturing resources are still there. Before they choke them off for green nonsense that won't sell in volume, top management needs to go.

I'm a loyal fan of GM vehicles. They started killing it with the death of Olds and Pontiac [even before that by wasting capital on Saturn and Hummer]. The final nail will be the end of ICE cars and trucks.

gm (the new woke version) sucks.

Posted by: JJ at September 16, 2022 03:53 PM (UzehA)

357 Don’t worry, Buck. You won’t blame the poor decision making at GM for its eventual demise. It’s those evil, Principled Free Traders’ fault, right, you Principled Protectionist?

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