Gun Thread: End of August Edition!

Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

Thanks for behaving yourselves last Sunday! As I mentioned I was away but was able to peek in from time to time making sure the place wasn't on fire. I read the comments afterward and only a few notes had to be placed into permanent records. I will be on another secret mission when you read this, but should be able to join you all in the comment hijinks.

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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Featured Gun
This week our pal and aviation enthusiast RS sends in a great gun photo.

Attached is a photo of the M2 50 "stinger" on a Grumman TBF Avenger. I snapped the pic earlier this month at the Oshkosh Airshow. Not the typical gun thread photo, but it's special to me. My dad was a WWII Naval Aviator with combat tours in the Aleutians. His last assignment at the end of the war was as a training officer for enlisted men assigned to Avengers flying TBM-3W models.

Very nice, RS! I'm jealous - I have always wanted to make a trip to Oshkosh. As a matter of fact I'm currently in Pensacola, Florida , the home of Naval Aviation, visiting my 92 year-old uncle who took me flying a lot when I was a wee Weasel Pup. For those of you who might not know, the single greatest museum on the planet of the Earth, the National Naval Aviation Museum is located here, and if you are ever within 5,000 miles of Pensacola you really owe yourself a visit!

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Nurse R and IDPA
Finally! Finally you people are starting to listen to me!! Before we get to Nurse R's IDPA report, allow me to offer some thoughts.

As long as I have been writing the Gun Thread, I have tried to make it a resource and open forum for all shooters, not just those who shoot competitively. I absolutely did not want it to become Weasel's Long Range Competition Thread, but rather to offer something for both beginners and the old pros alike. To that end, I have included topics on competitive shooting but have tried my best not to make it the single focus of our weekly confab because I realize everyone has a different level of interest in the shooting sports. Some people want to simply plink and have fun and there is nothing wrong with that at all. Others become interested in improving their accuracy, speed and precision, and I have made no secret that training and practicing with an objective are the very best ways to achieve those goals.

Competition will make you a better shooter. Period. Nothing will focus your attention like having an audience and keeping score. Let me repeat that. Nothing will focus your attention like having an audience and keeping score.

Q: Weasel, what other things focus your attention as well as having an audience and keeping score?
A: Nothing. No. Thing.

You can have the greatest gear and all the skills in the world, but if you are lazy or sloppy and unfocused you will not perform well, or at the very least not up to your potential.

Many of you know I was a rifle team coach for many years. A big aspect of that job is recognizing talent and then helping those shooters develop and refine their skills over time. In the first 30 minutes or so of working with someone I can generally tell if they are serious or not. Many people want to get the results, but are fundamentally unserious and unwilling to put in the work and effort required to get there. I'm always happy to work with everyone, but frankly my expectations of their performance is typically low. There are many qualities I look for in an aspiring shooter, and many of these things have nothing at all to do with gear or trigger-pulling. These are, in no particular order; attention to detail, the ability to handle stress, listening, comprehension and follow-through, a good attitude, and the willingness to work and follow instruction to name a few.

Our pal RI Red is great example of someone who has become a very competent long range shooter. Here is the Gun Thread from a few weeks back in which he describes dipping a toe into the world of IDPA, or International Defensive Pistol Association matches. IDPA is a sanctioning organization for matches where shooters are faced with realistic real-world self-defense scenarios, and shoot for score. RI Red ask questions, listens, practices diligently, and applies what he has learned. He is a very good shooter as a result.

I have had the pleasure of shooting with our pal and delightful 'ette Nurse R on several occasions, and have recognized in her all of the necessary traits to be a very successful competitive shooter. I have gently encouraged her to pursue IDPA matches as a way to improve her skills and have a lot of fun in the process. Pushing someone to do this sort of thing is usually counter-productive, and I figured she'd get there sooner or later when she was ready. She's calm, cool and collected, and thinks her way trough problems, and finally with encouragement from others, took the plunge. Here is her report.

So, I showed up for new shooter orientation and Mark Andrew Edwards and LazyMessenger were there as chaperones. We were asked to introduce our pistols (not ourselves) and when they got to the guy wearing the Air Force hat and shirt he said "well, I was busy packing my range bag and forgot my pistol." Without skipping a beat , I said, "that's why you're Air Force." Yes, I had an Eagle, Globe and Anchor shirt on. There were more than a few chuckles.
The difference between shooting in a match vs standing and shooting at the range is profound. However, used together, I can see how one's shooting could improve exponentially.
First of all, have fun and be safe.
At the range, my focus has been on trigger control, keeping firearms always facing down range and loading/reloading my pistol. And I am so glad I have those disciplines hard wired in my brain! Standing and shooting allows you to develop the muscle memory in not just shooting, but what your actions are before you raise the pistol and after it discharges.
On the IDPA course, I was happy with the fact I did not fan the crowd, I did not have my finger on the trigger whilst scooting from section to section and I was able to load and reload without having to think while on the run. All those skills made my experience much smoother.
I did get a procedural for dropping a mag with live rounds on the course. I also shot one hostage. But he deserved it.
It was so good to know that my basics are pretty sound, and that comes from being slow and deliberate on the range when we are just standing and plinking.
During the IDPA match, I was able to focus on the situation, the maze of "walls" we had to maneuver through and the "hostages" we were supposed to avoid shooting. I was pretty slow, but hit the target (somewhere) on every shot. It was also helpful that I turned off my "super uber competitive, knock grandma down to win the race, face" and was slow and deliberate. And I even finished one scenario with ZERO deductions. That was pretty cool, 4 different targets, three shots each and four "hostages" to avoid. Under 20 seconds.
My next range trip will be even more interesting as I will be really focused on cementing all the good habits that helped me so much during the match. Speed will come.
I am so very glad I went. The guys (very few women) were very helpful and encouraging and complimentary. It's a great community of people and I will most likely be going again. Thank you weasel, CBD, MAE and LazyMessenger for encouraging me to go.

Congratulations, Nurse R!! Now for the post-match discussion and analysis.

My advice to Nurse R before going, was to move slowly and deliberately, to have fun and to not worry about scores (yet). Shooting under pressure, whether it is the ticking clock or having a bunch of onlookers, is bigly different than plinking cans off of a fence with your shooting buddies. There is pressure to perform well and myriad rules to the sport, and the first few times is nerve wracking for certain. How did Nurse do? Well, bigly excellent of course! Truth be told, I would have said the same thing even if she had performed poorly, because she had the guts to get outside her comfort zone and try something different. As for the analysis, who cares? She went out and did it and at this point that is all that matters.

I expect we will hear more going forward regarding Nurse R and IDPA shooting, and I also expect her skills will begin to advance very quickly from here. Again, match shooting requires considerable concentration and focus, something often missing from repetitive and static plinking and you cannot help becoming a better shooter as a result. Nurse R has all of the qualities needed to become an excellent competitive shooter and is well on her way to getting there. If she chooses to pursue it, and I hope she will, I am looking forward to watching her progress!

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Range Reports
First up, our pal Schnorflepuppy shares a report on a date nite range trip.

Spousal unit (who is, sadly, not an 'ette ... I'm working on her) and I attended a quarterly function at our local Freedom Store called Date Night With A Bang. It combines dinner from a local BBQ joint with open shooting lanes, free targets, and, oh yeah, 50 rounds of full-auto fire in any of a number of weapons owned by the store.

This is my first couple of magazines from my M&P Shield 2.0 at 7 yards. Still working on my trigger press and avoiding the "flinch". The taped-over holes from the first magazine were all over the place, but the open holes from the second magazine were a tighter grouping. (Except for that 1-point flyer at lower left - can't really explain it, but probably due to some latent bad habit that manifested itself.)

spuppy 2 082822 fullauto_target scaled.jpg

This would be the Thompson full-auto, either a Model 1928 or a M1928A1, with a 50-round drum magazine in .45ACP at 10 yards. It was easier to shoot than I thought it would be. The weight of the weapon balances out the recoil nicely, making it easier (not easy) to keep on target. I used the advice from one of the Weasel Acres video library to lean over the gun to keep it from climbing. I count 38 of the 50 rounds that hit the paper, including the one at top center that almost, but not quite, went high.
Next time, I'm going to wear a fedora, a suit, and a duster jacket so that the illusion of the St. Valentine's Day Massacre is complete.

Nicely done, S'puppy! Fun, huh? Thanks for sending this in for us all to appreciate!

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Next up, our pal and competitive shooter Dr. Doghouse reports on competition and the 40-yard shot!

Shooting at 40 yards has seemed particularly relevant lately, so I'm sharing my run from a local USPSA match that featured that challenge. There was a single target at 40 yards, bracketed by a pair of no-shoots. The procedure was draw, take 4 shots, make a mandatory reload, then take 4 more shots. There was a Bianchi barricade on the side of the shooting area that you could brace against if you wanted. It was a fixed-time stage with a 13-second par. You can hear the second beep in the middle of, "if you are finished, unload and show clear," so it took me about 11 seconds. I had all 8 hits on the paper (4A-3C-1D in USPSA scoring, or 30 points out of a possible 40), and the only people who beat me were shooting rifles or open guns, all with optics. I suspect the higher-level shooters (I am, on a good day, nearly adequate) were rushing their shots, rather than being more deliberate with trigger control--having nearly a second-and-a-half per shot for static shooting is FOREVER compared to the typical USPSA pace. It's true that you can only aim so much; once you have equal height/equal light or a stable dot on the point of aim, more aiming won't improve your shot. However, a cleaner trigger press with proper grip balance WILL improve your shot, by making it more likely that you're still on target when it breaks. That's what I focused on to make the most of the relatively generous par time.
For the gear heads out there, I run a CZ Shadow 2 from Cajun Gun Works with their Pro package. It's a slicked-up version of Jeff Cooper's fave commie gat, the CZ-75. Cajun does good work, too, they're worth the wait! (Just a satisfied customer, I don't have a discount code.) The only tinkering I've done is switching the fiber from red to green, adding fatter grips, and putting back the factory trigger return spring. Yes, I shoot a standard-pressure "gamer" 9mm load (125 gr boolits @ ~1,070 FPS) that will undoubtedly get me kilt in da streetz.
Finally, I echo and endorse everyone here who has been talking about making longer distances a regular part of your handgun shooting (whatever "longer" means for you, whether it's 10 yards or 100). Shoot more to shoot gooder!

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It seems as though I'm not the only one who likes the 3D animation videos of how stuff works. This week our pal That Deplorable SOB Van Owen sends us a good one on the Colt-Browning M1895 Machine Gun.

Thanks TDSOBVO!

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Kamping Korner - The EarthRoamer LTi

I had the pleasure of meeting Zack Renier, the Customer Experience Manager for EarthRomer in this video last weekend at the wedding I attended. As you will see, he is a solid guy who really knows the product, and he's a serious long-range shooter to boot! I think you will like the video, a recent episode of Jay Leno's Garage.

Did you see that it has a gun safe? I'm sold!! I think, no, I know I need one of these!

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54 Days!
The countdown to the TXMoMe continues! That's right, boys and girls, the TXMoMe is a mere 54 days from today, and by now you should be rushing your MoMe attendance plans to completion. There are lots of big doin's in the works and your hosts Rancher Bob, Cow Horse Queen and Ben Had are ready to welcome YOU to the festivities! Have you signed up? Are you on the exclusive guest list, or are you one of the mentally defective people who always finds a reason to make it next year?

PRO TIP: Word has it there may be some, well let's just call them "exotic" weapons, available to shoot in Texas. I don't want to go into a bunch of specifics, but if you like shooting at a high cyclic rate, plan on bringing a box of brass case 9mm ball ammo (example) with you to Texas. Please, NO reloads!

Q: Weasel, what the heck is a "high cyclic rate"?
A: Well, it's faster than a low cyclic rate such as that found on semi-automatic weapons.

Q: Weasel, why do I want to do that?
A: Because it is mucho fun-o, and an opportunity that many of you might not have often.

As long as we're on the subject, if you aren't planning to bring a firearm and ammo, but plan on shooting, please pick up a box or two of ammo in the caliber you like and bring it to Texas. Each year we have lots and lots of guns, and even more shooters, and it's nice have the cost and effort needed to source the ammunition spread around a bit. We want to make the shooting available to as many as possible, and cover those who want to shoot but for whatever reason cannot bring ammo, so every little bit helps. Thank you!

Holy Shitballs, people. Have I not implored and cajoled you enough? Do you require additional imploring and cajoling? I challenge you to find a single person who has attended a TXMoMe and not found it to be a life altering experience. Life altering for the good even! So please quit screwing around and making up reasons not to commit and start planning on getting your ass to Texas in October!

You will see this material again, so for heaven's sake, so do yourself a favor and email Ben Had for details!

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More on Ammo for Texas
Let's talk a little more about bringing ammunition to the TXMoMe. The options are buy it at home and ship it UPS, buy it at home and ship it in your airline checked baggage, or just buy it once you get to Texas.

Let's begin with the easiest, first. Texas is awash in shooting and outdoor stores, and you really shouldn't have any trouble using this option. There are a lot of sporting goods stores on the south side of Dallas and in the towns all the way down I-45 to Corscicana. A quick internet search should return several options, and you might want to identify a couple before you leave home. Next, there is a store in Corscicana, Brinson PowerSports, that has a generally reliable stock of major calibers, although ammo is not listed on their website. I'd suggest calling first and asking if they have what you're looking for. The physical address and phone number is:

Brinson PowerSports
1931 Martin Luther King Blvd.
Corsicana, TX 75110
903-229-4330

Honestly, sourcing ammo locally seems like the most logical choice to me, but for those of you with special needs, it's pretty easy to fly with ammunition in your checked baggage. Here I am speaking in very general terms and it is incumbent upon YOU to check in advance with your airline, confirm the requirements, and comply with them.

Southwest Airlines is a popular option into the Dallas area, and I have found them to be gun friendly as far as these things go. Here is what I found on the Southwest Airlines Special Baggage webpage:

Packing Ammunition
Small arms ammunition for personal use (provided it is properly packed) is permissible in checked baggage only.
The ammunition may be placed in the same container as the firearm and must be securely packed in cardboard (fiber), wood, or metal boxes, or other packaging specifically designed to carry small amounts of ammunition.
Ammunition Limits
When checking ammunition, Customers are limited to 11 pounds (ammunition plus container) per person. Gunpowder (black powder) and primers or percussion caps are not allowed in checked or carryon baggage.
Loose ammunition or loose loaded magazines and/or clips are not allowed. Paintballs must be packaged in a leak-proof container and will be subject to limited release.

So my read is that ammunition in its original cardboard container is all you need, and it does not have to be locked inside another container inside your bag as required for a firearm, and you are allowed up to 11 pounds carried in this fashion. Although the instructions are silent on declaring the ammunition to airline personnel, again as you must do when transporting a firearm, I think it's probably a good idea to do so. You may or may not be allowed to check your baggage curbside when traveling with ammunition, so be prepared for a little extra time at the counter. Again, this is my interpretation and as we all know I am mostly full of shit, so check for yourselves.

Every airline has a section like this on their website, usually found in the baggage section, and you may have to dig around a little to find it. I also recommend printing your specific airline's policy and bringing it with you on the trip, just in case you need to help the ticket agent understand how to do their job. I will say in all the years of flying all over the country to matches, I have never once had any problem with airline personnel and their rules and have always found them well informed and helpful.

Finally, if you are really a special needs shooter, our bestest buddy and pal and host RancherBob has offered to allow people to ship their ammunition to the ranch. I would recommend this only in very unique circumstances where very specific ammunition is required and neither of the other, simpler options will work. If this is you, then contact me for details. I have shipped ammunition via UPS in the past and it works, but there are strict packaging and labeling requirements and also necessitates you visit an actual UPS location rather than a retail shipping store. Also remember, you cannot ship ammunition via USPS.

Questions? Just ask!

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Musical Interlude
The Battle Hymn of the Republic with the Mormon Tabernacle Choir.

Here's the Wikipedia entry for the Hymn.

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Gun Basics 101
Have we seen this one before? Here's the She Equips Herself Gal on tactical defense fashion.

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Cigar of the Week
Our pal and Chief Gun Thread Cigar Correspondent rhomboid brings it with another excellent cigar review. Thanks rhomboid!

The Alec Bradley Connecticut, torpedo. The Connecticut leaf wrapper is from Ecuador, filler from Nicaragua and Honduras, the latter where the cigar is made. Won't waste electrons here - this is one of my favorite cigars so far, in about a year of pretty broad exploration. Definitely on the milder end of the spectrum, but described as medium by Cigar Aficionado (they give it a 90 rating), which I find accurate. The lighter body and overall experience one expects from a Connecticut wrapper, but lots of flavor, and some depth. Flavor hints of nuts, and sweet wood, voluminous smoke, very good construction (even burn line). Definitely one for all palates and strength preferences. Available for $6 and up online.
Speaking of which, Weasel and I thought it might be helpful to list some good online sources, as with the long-standing Gun Thread ammo source list below. So here are a few. Different vendors carry different brands and different lines from those brands, but also varying selections of vitolas (sizes/shapes) of given lines, so it's good to have options, especially if you're looking for a specific cigar. There are more sites but this is a good start.
Cigarsinternational.com
Cigarpage.com
Famous-smoke.com
Cigarsdaily.com
Neptunecigar.com
Smallbatchcigar.com

Excellent as always, rhomboid! Thank you, and great idea on the list of vendors!!

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Cigar Vixen has been to Cuba!

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Link-O-Rama

I'm really very seriously not kidding around anymore. Buy Ammo
AmmoSeek - online ammo search tool
GunBot - online ammo search tool
SG Ammo
Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA
Bud's Gun Shop

***Mail Bag***

This week's mailbag entry is from our pal WTM. Good one!

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

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Comments

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1 BOOM!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 28, 2022 07:00 PM (fe7in)

2 Good evening everyone

Posted by: Skip at August 28, 2022 07:00 PM (k8B25)

3 Yeah Buddy bang!

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at August 28, 2022 07:00 PM (R5lpX)

4 Under 10!

Posted by: GWB at August 28, 2022 07:01 PM (iI+/D)

5 Thanks for the thread, Weasel.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at August 28, 2022 07:01 PM (7bRMQ)

6 Weasel!!

Posted by: RI Red at August 28, 2022 07:01 PM (q1ViT)

7 Hello, Weasel and horde!

Posted by: Ed L at August 28, 2022 07:03 PM (/lmRp)

8 It's Sunday frabjous Gun-day!

Hello gub threaders! Girthy content above! I got some for you too. And Rhomboid is that a NOOD mug emblazoned with an Ordnance Corps Regimental Crest?

Posted by: blaster at August 28, 2022 07:04 PM (6TxNR)

9 Ola ca va?
off to read.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 28, 2022 07:06 PM (bgJ0E)

10 Well done on the IDPA shoot, Nurse R!

But tell me how you have been working through “trough problems”, please.

Posted by: RI Red at August 28, 2022 07:06 PM (q1ViT)

11 I have trough problems too. If they get sunburned I'm in a world of hurt.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 28, 2022 07:08 PM (bgJ0E)

12 I'm here

Posted by: Ciampino -- vive la difference at August 28, 2022 07:08 PM (qfLjt)

13 Great write up, Nurse and good job getting going in IDPA.

By the way, it can make a world of difference who one shoots with.

Back when I was shooting IDPA on a regular basis, I found out I didn't fit in with the hard core shooters, which made me try to stick with a group of people who knew how to laugh rather than grumble after a run.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 28, 2022 07:08 PM (5pTK/)

14 Here's a gun thing that happened today. I was strapping up (not ON. Not On. Okay?) to go out today and while I am pretty much always carrying the P365XL, I don't always carry an extra mag, which I had gone to the trouble of getting a mag holster for. So, anyway, since I don't don it every day I had to fiddle with it. And dropped the mag holster and all on the hardwood floor and I guess it hit just right to knock the endplate off and stuff launched everywhere. Bullets, spring, the follower, and, somewhere, in the deepest haunts of the wooliest dust bunnies, the end plate.

So that was fun.

Posted by: blaster at August 28, 2022 07:09 PM (6TxNR)

15 'Sup? How all y'all are?

Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 07:09 PM (RR8dE)

16 As some of you may be aware, the EMT's theme this morning was a mini-Gun Thread. For those that missed it, one question specifically asked was "What's your favorite shooter?"

Our host responded:
64 I'm my favorite shooter!
Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 07:34 AM

Which elicited this reply:
165Ours, too!
Posted by: Range Babes everywhere at August 28, 2022 08:34 AM

The point being, our host is not just a master rifle shooter. He is a master range babe whisperer, and you padawans would be well-advised to soak up every pearl of the wisdom he imparts on these Threads.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 28, 2022 07:09 PM (a3Q+t)

17 Your site, Weasel, but a commie island travelogue? She didn't really even show any cigar stuff. Just a whitewashed pic of Castro's hellhole.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at August 28, 2022 07:10 PM (7bRMQ)

18 In all likelihood the period between WW1 and Desert Storm will be looked back on in 100 years as the apex of the English speaking people.

Posted by: sven at August 28, 2022 07:10 PM (Lzpvj)

19 Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 28, 2022 07:09 PM (a3Q+t)
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I missed that! Was in the car all day!

Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 07:11 PM (RR8dE)

20 Howdy, Gub 'ettes and 'rons, and thanks to Weasel for publishing my range report!

Shorter S'puppy: full auto is fun! I wanted to try a rifle that had a three-round burst setting to see if that helped with accuracy and climb, but they had all been put away in the safe and I didn't want to inconvenience the Freedom Store team to pull them back out. (One tends to be courteous in an establishment in which almost all employees open carry.) The Thompson was an acceptable fallback.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at August 28, 2022 07:12 PM (v23vE)

21 yay Gun Thread !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - we are being gaslighted 24/365 at August 28, 2022 07:12 PM (+eXoW)

22 By the way, weasel, I'll try to get his name, but, there's a national F Class shooter who practices on our local thousand yard range. I didn't think to look first time I found out he was on the range, but, if I run across him again, I'll get a name and see if you recognize him,

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 28, 2022 07:12 PM (5pTK/)

23 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 28, 2022 07:12 PM (5pTK/)
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Please do!

Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 07:13 PM (RR8dE)

24 "Did you see that it has a gun safe? I'm sold!! I think, no, I know I need one of these!"

Your tractor is gonna get jealous.

Posted by: GWB at August 28, 2022 07:13 PM (VBVUg)

25 No range report for me. Maybe in a week or so hit the range and check the rifle out before it heads down to Texas.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 28, 2022 07:14 PM (fe7in)

26 Bullets, spring, the follower, and, somewhere, in the deepest haunts of the wooliest dust bunnies, the end plate.

So that was fun.
Posted by: blaster at August 28, 2022 07:09 PM (6TxNR)

I'll bet. Did you find, and were you able to reassemble, all the magazine parts, or did you just let the dust bunnies (our local term is "floor ferrets", since they're most dog hair) claim what they would?

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at August 28, 2022 07:14 PM (v23vE)

27 So nothing is more fun than helping an ette get satisfaction from a new toy! (Are we, or are we not, doing phrasing?)

First, weasel, I am going to do a range writeup for some content for you of this day - it was great! sharon(willow's apprentice) took her brand new Kimber Aegis Elite Custom OI (translated from Kimber marketing speak, a full size 1911 with Optic Installed and I tagged along, and brought sra blaster's Kimber Raptor II as a comparison other.

It was a REALLY good time. And you know how guys take dogs or babies out to pick up chicks? Well, swa is trolling for guys with this new pistol. They come running!

Posted by: blaster at August 28, 2022 07:14 PM (6TxNR)

28 Posted by: GWB at August 28, 2022 07:13 PM (VBVUg)
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My HOUSE would get jealous!

Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 07:14 PM (RR8dE)

29 Gun content........

Ahh, I zeroed a SBR AR15 (10 inch barrel) for a new Vortex Spitfire.
Shot a rabbit on the back lawn from the bedroom in the nude yesterday morning. Gotta love 10/22s.
Have a meeting today with a Colonel about automating ranges. I'm not luddite but I will give him my opinion in my usual shy and retiring manner. Had an older gentleman and his lovely wife come and visit the spread yesterday and he explored the mancave and gub collection. Twas a nice day.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 28, 2022 07:15 PM (bgJ0E)

30 Posted by: blaster at August 28, 2022 07:14 PM (6TxNR)
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Please do!

Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 07:16 PM (RR8dE)

31 Just a heads up for those with exquisite discernment. MidwayUSA is having a pretty good sale on cap and ball revolvers. Some of the better prices I've seen in a while.

Alas, they still don't have any caps in stock.

Posted by: JTB at August 28, 2022 07:16 PM (7EjX1)

32 Range report (not me shooting)....

Look if your line of work requires breaching rounds like say a grapnel round do not repeat do not have any appendages anywhere near the initial trajectory vector....

good way to lose tissue.

Posted by: sven at August 28, 2022 07:16 PM (Lzpvj)

33 I'll bet. Did you find, and were you able to reassemble, all the magazine parts, or did you just let the dust bunnies (our local term is "floor ferrets", since they're most dog hair) claim what they would?
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at August 28, 2022 07:14 PM (v23vE)

Sig considers their mags very dear. $50 I wrangled the dust bunnies and got all my parts.

Posted by: blaster at August 28, 2022 07:16 PM (6TxNR)

34 Hello all! Now on to content

Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at August 28, 2022 07:17 PM (CLXqj)

35 31 Posted by: JTB at August 28, 2022 07:16 PM (7EjX1)

Eh....

I have a spot spot for the 51 Navy and a 58 Carbine would be "moogle moggle kupo"

Posted by: sven at August 28, 2022 07:17 PM (Lzpvj)

36 Weasel! Horde! And nice shootin', nurse, S'puppy, and Doghouse!

Posted by: screaming in digital at August 28, 2022 07:18 PM (pkAcY)

37 Is it mandatory, Schnorflepuppy, to bandage the targets between firings??

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 28, 2022 07:18 PM (yikp0)

38 Posted by: screaming in digital at August 28, 2022 07:18 PM (pkAcY)
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Hey there, SiD!!

Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 07:18 PM (RR8dE)

39 and stuff launched everywhere.

Posted by: blaster at August 28, 2022 07:09 PM (6TxNR)

Oh joy. I'd check that mag before I would carry it again.

Posted by: GWB at August 28, 2022 07:18 PM (VBVUg)

40 The Birds' head belly guns look muy bueno....

Posted by: sven at August 28, 2022 07:19 PM (Lzpvj)

41 I am tempted to help out those in the Tri State area heading to the MoMe to transport any ammo they would need there.

Just not sure about the logistics or the liability.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 28, 2022 07:20 PM (fe7in)

42 Not to spill all the range writeup or takeaway from swa's story as it was her new pistol that made the day - but, this was an off Sunday for the DMV MGC, so only the two of us later joined by Hrothgar. But, this is the second Sunday in a row that the range has been evacuated for a fire alarm. Lst Sunday it happened before we were on the lane. Today, we were there and they say leave the guns where they are and go.

Not sure what is going on there. Are they real? Is there some troublemaker making false alarms? Dunno. But does take way from the fun a bit.

Posted by: blaster at August 28, 2022 07:20 PM (6TxNR)

43 Whoa, sorry I'm late. Don't mark me tardy, Weasel, I was watching Paul Harrell videos.

*Presents note signed by my utterly confused father*

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 07:21 PM (llXky)

44 Shot a rabbit on the back lawn from the bedroom in the nude yesterday morning.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 28, 2022 07:15 PM (bgJ0E)

Well, at least you let the rabbit get dressed. He wasn't in your pajamas, was he?

Posted by: GWB at August 28, 2022 07:22 PM (VBVUg)

45 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 07:21 PM (llXky)
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All good!

Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 07:22 PM (RR8dE)

46 If they get sunburned
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Then wear a bathing-suit!

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 28, 2022 07:22 PM (yikp0)

47 Finally able to access my long arm storage area. One is an on again, off again project, quest really, to find and reattach a scope mount to a No. 4 Mk 1 Enfield. The receiver was already tapped with screw for it but I could never find the side mount that fit it until last year. It was a Parker Hale A29 (if you care about such things) but then you have to find the scope mount that goes on top of the A29. Supposedly it is a BA24 but after a while, I found one and bought it as an import from England along with Sportsmatch rings (these fit and resemble the original Parker Hale rings). Screw holes do not match so it looks like I am going to have to fire up the drill press and very carefully drill it out.

If you ever question why all those old catalogs etc. bring money, it is because they often have reference numbers and dimension of long vanished products if you are restoring one.

Posted by: whig at August 28, 2022 07:22 PM (CXr4y)

48 Oh joy. I'd check that mag before I would carry it again.
Posted by: GWB at August 28, 2022 07:18 PM (VBVUg)

I'm going to probably have to plead some user error here. The 15 round mag apparently ships randomly configured for use with 365 or 365 XL - same mag, different baseplates. I have an XL, the mag shipped configured for 365 - and I had to reconfigure. I don't think I got it as firmly snapped as it was supposed to be.

Posted by: blaster at August 28, 2022 07:23 PM (6TxNR)

49 hi everyone.

Mr. Weasel, see ya on the Thr. Smash & I will be there. i'll pick up a box of the inadequate disposable 9mm for the hi cyclic rate peeps. (been there, done that. fun, but not for me)

looking forward to meeting and greeting more than Ben Had, Hogmartin, Eromero, Rancher Bob & Cow Horse Queen. seems like summer of '21was ages ago. can't wait for Oct!

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (MrZQl) - at August 28, 2022 07:23 PM (MrZQl)

50 Around 2005 I had a chance to fly in one of the warbirds - and Avenger, specifically - while doing public affairs work with the ANG.

And of course it fell through. Because reasons.

*sigh*

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 07:23 PM (llXky)

51 58 days from now is what....

about the 25th of OCT (remind me to tell that joke if I get to show up).....

I will be in prep week, so it is a long shot he exercise is 1 november but I may well try to make a cameo.

Posted by: sven at August 28, 2022 07:23 PM (Lzpvj)

52 Congrats to Nurse & Friends on the IDPA runs. Ton o' fun, ain't it!? Might I ask, how appx. how many total shooters, and how many hours did it take to get everyone through all the relays & stages?

On my end, no Range Report, but a Progress Report. Got the new Vortex Viper PST Gen II, 5x25x50, mounted, torqued, boresighted, atop the Thompson Center Compass. NOW it's ready for some range time to set a true 100 yd. zero. Report will follow, for that one.

Cleaning & re-setting the Gun Room, same for the car. Already starting to organize boxes n' stuff for October. Can't wait to see y'all for the best weekend of the year!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at August 28, 2022 07:23 PM (tkOps)

53 Sig considers their mags very dear. $50 I wrangled the dust bunnies and got all my parts.

Posted by: blaster
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Sometimes the local gunshops that handle a fair number of used handguns have extra mags traded in. Often you can get these much cheaper than NIB. Those that sell to PD's are often great at that.

Posted by: whig at August 28, 2022 07:24 PM (CXr4y)

54 37 Is it mandatory, Schnorflepuppy, to bandage the targets between firings??
Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 28, 2022 07:18 PM (yikp0)

No, but I only had two targets at hand -- one reserved for full-auto duty -- and didn't want to leave the range to go ask for more.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at August 28, 2022 07:25 PM (v23vE)

55 Howdy, all! I'm the guy who did the 40-yard challenge this week. Here's a UTooB of it (assuming links are okay in the comments):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYgDMRwEDEg

It's, um, a guy shooting 8 shots then walking downrange and seeing 8 holes in the paper, which may not sound like much, but it was deeply satisfying at the time.

Posted by: Dr. Doghouse at August 28, 2022 07:25 PM (hmjvT)

56 29 Shot a rabbit on the back lawn from the bedroom in the nude yesterday morning.

Something I do not want to visualize. Of course when I meet you in Oct it just might be the first thing that comes to mind. YIKES!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 28, 2022 07:25 PM (fe7in)

57 All good!

Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 07:22 PM (RR8dE)
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Yay! For those who don't know, chronic tardiness and absenteeism from the gun thread is punished by 60 solid Minutes of Mae.

*shudder*

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 07:25 PM (llXky)

58 36 Weasel! Horde! And nice shootin', nurse, S'puppy, and Doghouse!

Posted by: screaming in digital at August 28, 2022 07:18 PM (pkAcY)

Thanks, {{{SiD}}}!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at August 28, 2022 07:25 PM (v23vE)

59 Shot a rabbit on the back lawn from the bedroom in the nude yesterday morning. Gotta love 10/22s.
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Thus the sunburn??

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 28, 2022 07:25 PM (yikp0)

60 Brief update on my problem with the Aero Precision upper that I asked about, oh, four weeks ago now. Almost 2 weeks after contacting their customer "service" department, I got an email that said "send pictures." So I sent pictures and then heard nothing else for another 2 weeks. Then I got another email with an RMA return label. Sent the part off and on Friday, 5 weeks from initial contact, got a third email which said, and I paraphrase "We received your RMA. We'll get to it when we get to it. Don't call us; we'll call you." A search on ar15.com turned up an old thread where one guy said it took them 3 *months* to process his RMA. So at this point, I may not have a working rifle for the MoMe.

Posted by: Oddbob at August 28, 2022 07:27 PM (nfrXX)

61 I got no range reports right now, and no gun reports.

Only thing I've done differently the last couple of weeks is carry while at home (which is, also, at the office). I've had some handymen in the house, and it made sense that if I normally carry while out and about, I should carry when other (unknown) people are in my home.

No one said anything, so I assume I don't print too badly.

Maybe I can get some range time once all of this carp is over.

Posted by: GWB at August 28, 2022 07:27 PM (VBVUg)

62 Posted by: BifBewalski @ (MrZQl) - at August 28, 2022 07:23 PM (MrZQl)
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Excellent!

Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 07:27 PM (RR8dE)

63 Oh, and the additional product that I picked up was the Wheeler green laser bore sight. Uses magnets to hold itself to the muzzle while you boresight with it. Green lasers work better than red outdoors so you can conceivably do a hundred yard zero.

In my case, I have to change out some old rimfire scopes, check alignment on some iron sights, etc. as housekeeping matters. Probably try to go to the range at some point next week.

Posted by: whig at August 28, 2022 07:28 PM (CXr4y)

64
Well, at least you let the rabbit get dressed. He wasn't in your pajamas, was he?
Posted by: GWB at August 28, 2022 07:22 PM (VBVUg)

Pajamas?? I thought I already gave away TMI. The spring bunnies are about to explode in numbers and No1 cat, Grey Monster, has already left me with few presents at the bedroom door, so I was trying to help out with the .22 and a suppressor.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 28, 2022 07:28 PM (bgJ0E)

65 Packing for Texas. I cut out the foam in my Pelican Vault case for the contents. Looks pretty good. 5 guns in there and still only 35 lbs. HOWEVER, now I am concerned about logistics on the ground. Rental car is supposed to be Kia Soul or similar. If it's a Soul we are probably okay. If it's not some sort of hatchback we are going to be screwed.

Posted by: blaster at August 28, 2022 07:28 PM (6TxNR)

66 so the Olafson family will be watching "Real Genius" from way back in 1985 this evening in wonderful HD....looks better than when it was new probably.

You start off wanting to be Chris Knight, are afraid you are kent and in the end aspire to be Lazlo and live in another man's closet.....

Posted by: sven at August 28, 2022 07:28 PM (Lzpvj)

67 I may not have a working rifle for the MoMe.
Posted by: Oddbob at August 28, 2022 07:27 PM (nfrXX)

You only have ONE?

Posted by: GWB at August 28, 2022 07:29 PM (VBVUg)

68 60 Posted by: Oddbob at August 28, 2022 07:27 PM

That really stinks Oddbob. May you be one of the lucky few and they fix it pronto!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 28, 2022 07:29 PM (fe7in)

69 44 Shot a rabbit on the back lawn from the bedroom in the nude yesterday morning.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 28, 2022 07:15 PM (bgJ0E)

Well, at least you let the rabbit get dressed. He wasn't in your pajamas, was he?

Posted by: GWB at August 28, 2022 07:22 PM (VBVUg)
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Rabbit said no way to pretending to be TP.

Posted by: Ciampino - Thr Bears had no comment at August 28, 2022 07:29 PM (qfLjt)

70 Cool video of the Colt "Potato Digger" machine gun. Roosevelt bought two for his Rough Riders which were chambered in 7 x 57mm (good cartridge, by the way). Apparently they eventually used captured Spanish ammo.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at August 28, 2022 07:29 PM (pJWtt)

71 No, but I only had two targets at hand -- one reserved for full-auto duty -- and didn't want to leave the range to go ask for more.
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Oddly enough, just yesterday I was looking at an online catalogue for targets and one package had 10 targets and 72 [or whatever] round, black repair stickers to go with them.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 28, 2022 07:29 PM (yikp0)

72 Sometimes the local gunshops that handle a fair number of used handguns have extra mags traded in. Often you can get these much cheaper than NIB. Those that sell to PD's are often great at that.
Posted by: whig at August 28, 2022 07:24 PM (CXr4y)

365 and 365 XL is too new for that, and not in the PD lineup. Sig wants $50 per no matter the size - the 10 rounder, 12 rounder, 15 rounder.

Posted by: blaster at August 28, 2022 07:30 PM (6TxNR)

73 Range report: YES! The range was open at last and I celebrated by bringing out the venerable Ruger KP-89 and banging away like a lunatic because it's the same gun The Mariachi uses in "Desperado." (Okay, mine's in 9mm, Banderas uses a .45, so what.)

Also got in some solid .32 Magnum work. The Charter Arms Undercoverette continues to impress. As one would expect of revolvers, repeated use smooths out the trigger and it's rapidly reaching the comfort zone previously held by the Taurus 85.

For those of you who remember a previous range report on this fine piece of machinery, the points of aim from the various calibers have converged slightly. My best guess is that as I become more comfortable with it, the differences in recoil between .32 magnum, .32 long and .32 ACP cease to matter as much. Put simply: it's running better, which is what one expect as the break-in period continues.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 07:30 PM (llXky)

74 Got some Pachymayer grips for my Colt Python. Going to try them out tomorrow and hope they pull my groups together a bit. The wood grips that came with the gun are a bit over large for my hands and I can't seem to get a decent grip on the gun.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 28, 2022 07:30 PM (bVYXr)

75 Thus the sunburn??
Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 28, 2022 07:25 PM (yikp0)
Its still winter.....

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 28, 2022 07:30 PM (bgJ0E)

76 I may not have a working rifle for the MoMe.
Posted by: Oddbob at August 28, 2022 07:27 PM (nfrXX)
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I usually bring a couple of my practice guns. Email me if you're interested and I can give you some ammo suggestions.

Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 07:31 PM (RR8dE)

77 54 37 Is it mandatory, Schnorflepuppy, to bandage the targets between firings??
Posted by: andycanuck
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Some ranges require you use their targets at inflated prices. Using tape or pasters, you get more mileage out of the targets. At outdoor ranges, it can minimize the mess that you have to take with you or dump. If you want to go inexpensive, there are a number of websites where you can print your own targets or even just use a sheet of typing paper.

Posted by: whig at August 28, 2022 07:31 PM (CXr4y)

78 A bit of trivia on the Stinger aircraft gun. A Marine in G Company, 28th Marine Regiment, 5th Marine Division was unimpressed with Marine squad support weapons, so he modified six Stingers into light infantry MGs, adding a BAR bipod and a cut down Garand stock for a buttstock. They were used to good effect on Iwo Jima.

https://tinyurl.com/2p8p7p7c

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at August 28, 2022 07:31 PM (5YmYl)

79 Hi guys! Hi weasel, thank
You for your kind words.

Jim. We had 7 stages. There were probably around 55 participants. We started late, around 1045 and finished at 315. It was exciting and mentally tiring.

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 28, 2022 07:31 PM (U2p+3)

80 For history freaks, like me, British naval historian Drachinifel has had two videos up on yhis You Tube channel of the same name.
He had to visit America to look at and fire small arm weapons of the Royal Navy, circa WW I. He'd evidently never done much, if any shooting. He did well. The range of firearms is more extensive that imagined. A 1911 in .455. A Webley semi auto, a Webley automatic revolver. An S&W and a Colt revolvers in .455.
The second video showed him and his wife, at the Maryland Machine Gun Club. Bren, Lewis, Maxim, MG 42 and an M 2. Worth the time to watch.

Posted by: Winston, GOPe, not one dime, not one vote at August 28, 2022 07:31 PM (7rP4D)

81 Cool video of the Colt "Potato Digger" machine gun. Roosevelt bought two for his Rough Riders which were chambered in 7 x 57mm (good cartridge, by the way). Apparently they eventually used captured Spanish ammo.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at August 28, 2022 07:29 PM (pJWtt)
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I saw a 7x57 Spanish Mauser at the Jackson gun show yesterday and it tempted me.

But I did not relent. I had bigger fish to fry.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 07:32 PM (llXky)

82 It was exciting and mentally tiring.
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 28, 2022 07:31 PM (U2p+3)
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Sounds like you were doing it right!

Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 07:32 PM (RR8dE)

83 I also packed a 30 cal can with some ammo and my Heritage Rough Rider which I need to get to the MoMe because it is the Dead Man's Hand model and the Ace of Spades is prominent on the grip. Trying to finagle a ride for the can.

Posted by: blaster at August 28, 2022 07:32 PM (6TxNR)

84 Its still winter.....
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 28, 2022 07:30 PM (bgJ0E)
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*writes note for NZFrank permanent record*

Now, about that global warming wrong think you just mentioned......

Posted by: NZ bad think police at August 28, 2022 07:32 PM (5pTK/)

85 70 Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at August 28, 2022 07:29 PM (pJWtt)

One should always buy off the shelf stuff that uses opfor ammo....

ideally better kit than they use.

Posted by: sven at August 28, 2022 07:33 PM (Lzpvj)

86 I think the Canadian infantry contingent to the South African War had the 1895 Colt MG as well.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 28, 2022 07:33 PM (yikp0)

87 He had to visit America to look at and fire small arm weapons of the Royal Navy, circa WW I.

Posted by: Winston, GOPe, not one dime, not one vote at August 28, 2022 07:31 PM (7rP4D)
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The U.S. is the global repository for firearms heritage. For many nations, the only place you can find functioning examples of their past weaponry is here.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 07:34 PM (llXky)

88 Jim. We had 7 stages. There were probably around 55 participants. We started late, around 1045 and finished at 315. It was exciting and mentally tiring.
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 28, 2022 07:31 PM (U2p+3)
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Heh, 7 stages. At most, 2 minutes of actual shooting, per stage, 14 minutes total and totally exhausting.

I can relate.

Posted by: NZ bad think police at August 28, 2022 07:34 PM (5pTK/)

89 You only have ONE?

I have a Schultz & Larsen that is OK out to 300 but doesn't seem to want to hold a group past that. I plan to rebarrel it some day but it won't be this year.

Posted by: Oddbob at August 28, 2022 07:35 PM (nfrXX)

90 80 Posted by: Winston, GOPe, not one dime, not one vote at August 28, 2022 07:31 PM (7rP4D)

The Webley semi-auto was a nice weapon.

https://youtu.be/Q-IAYz9InCA

Posted by: sven at August 28, 2022 07:35 PM (Lzpvj)

91 Its still winter.....

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 28, 2022 07:30 PM (bgJ0E)
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I'm dipping into a book on the Falklands War and have to remind myself that April-May in those parts is fall, not spring.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 07:35 PM (llXky)

92 Range report: Took my .38 Colt Cobra snubbie to see how far out I could push it. Six rounds fired in each round, all double action at a fairly fast pace. Did fine at 10 yards - all hits on the silhouette. 15 yards was marginal at best. One or two hits hit the target, but the rest missed (still hit paper, though). I decided not to try to push out any further. If I can't do that well at 15 yards, I'm certainly not going to improve by trying for 20. For now, I think 15 yards is about my max effective range w/ that Colt Cobra.

Posted by: Ed L at August 28, 2022 07:36 PM (/lmRp)

93
Something I do not want to visualize. Of course when I meet you in Oct it just might be the first thing that comes to mind. YIKES!!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 28, 2022 07:25 PM (fe7in)

Don't worry about it, my winning personality ,charming manner, leather greatcoat and limp will take your mind of the fact that I murder small furry innocent animals whilst nude.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 28, 2022 07:36 PM (bgJ0E)

94 Weeeeeeeeeeeeezzzziiillll!!

Posted by: Pauly Bro'shore at August 28, 2022 07:36 PM (KIEXu)

95 The U.S. is the global repository for firearms heritage. For many nations, the only place you can find functioning examples of their past weaponry is here.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 07:34 PM (llXky)
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I believe most of the K-31 Swiss rifles in existence are owned by Americans.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 28, 2022 07:36 PM (5pTK/)

96 I want that RV.

Posted by: polynikes at August 28, 2022 07:36 PM (saYt3)

97 I usually bring a couple of my practice guns. Email me if you're interested and I can give you some ammo suggestions.

Thank you. I'll do that.

Posted by: Oddbob at August 28, 2022 07:37 PM (nfrXX)

98 I saw a 7x57 Spanish Mauser at the Jackson gun show yesterday and it tempted me.

But I did not relent. I had bigger fish to fry.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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They are around and usually a bit cheaper than the 7.62 converted ones. So, you can always get one reasonable if you want one. If you want a large ring Mauser, the Spanish M43 Mausers are a strong and decent action. They even had Spanish AirForce marked ones. These usually go well under 500 at Gun broker when they pop up.

Posted by: whig at August 28, 2022 07:37 PM (CXr4y)

99 sven
I sort of agree from function but watching him shoot, he's a southpaw and was only using one hand, the trigger pull on the Webleys all looked brutal.
Oh, and they had an 1892 Winchester and a Remington 14 1/2. in 44.40.

Posted by: Winston, GOPe, not one dime, not one vote at August 28, 2022 07:37 PM (7rP4D)

100 I saw a 7x57 Spanish Mauser at the Jackson gun show yesterday and it tempted me.

But I did not relent. I had bigger fish to fry.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 07:32 PM (llXky)

I owned one back in the 1980s. I owned numerous WWII era bolt-actions back then -- surplus ammo was still dirt cheap. Ended up selling them all except for my M47 Madsen chambered in .30-06.

They'd be worth a small fortune now. *sigh*

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at August 28, 2022 07:37 PM (pJWtt)

101 Oh, and Hrothgar got to shoot swa's new pistol. Along with the Raptor. So, no need to peer pressure him into getting a Kimber. But, you know, if you want to....

Posted by: blaster at August 28, 2022 07:38 PM (6TxNR)

102 I have trough problems too. If they get sunburned I'm in a world of hurt.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 28, 2022 07:08 PM

Is that what they call it Down Under? Here in the Northern Hemisphere, it's often referred to as the taint.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 28, 2022 07:38 PM (a3Q+t)

103 hiya

Posted by: JT at August 28, 2022 07:38 PM (T4tVD)

104 Hiya Weasel !

Posted by: JT at August 28, 2022 07:39 PM (T4tVD)

105 RS is correct, the Pensacola Naval Aviation Museum is amazing. It's something you should never want to miss. Glad he got his hands on that Maw-Deuce.

Posted by: Pauly Bro'shore at August 28, 2022 07:39 PM (KIEXu)

106 Okay, that was weird. The Gub Thread page disappeared from the main page, then was magically back.

I picked the wrong week to stop sniffin' glue ...

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at August 28, 2022 07:39 PM (v23vE)

107 I believe most of the K-31 Swiss rifles in existence are owned by Americans.

Posted by: blake
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Centerfire Systems in KY did have some K31's in and selling them cheaper than normal due to some anniversary sale. About $400. They also have quite a few other used revolvers and other firearms and good people to deal with.

You can also find the less common K11 carbines which were the model for the K31 while using the older k1911 rifle action. Tad less accurate than the K31's. Those are usually a bit cheaper than K31's when you can find them.

Posted by: whig at August 28, 2022 07:40 PM (CXr4y)

108 I finished my first AR build yesterday, and even though it's not much of a feat for many of the much more accomplished folks on this thread, I felt as proud as a kid building his first model airplane -- and I didn't even smear glue all over it! I now need to decide on an optic for it.
Coincidentally, it was completed on the same day that grandson #1 completed The Crucible at Parris Island and received his Eagle, Globe and Anchor, so I'm thinking this will be a "Welcome to the Band of Brothers" present.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at August 28, 2022 07:40 PM (B0rQx)

109 Range report! My buddy and I hit the indoor range Friday night. We've found a few more potential buddies but the scheduling has not worked out yet.

I shot the 1911 a lot - I'm having a lot of trouble with the sights, but I think a little paint or whiteout will do the trick. I always enjoy shooting it!

I had another decent outing with the P365. For both the 1911 and the P365, I started out missing low but was able to make steady improvement and by the end of the session I was hitting where I'm aiming. I'm happy with the progress but I know the bad guy isn't going to stand still for 10-20 rounds while I dial it in! So, more penny drills for me.

After the snubbie discussion a few weeks ago I decided to try the one Jesse had. Jim SND helped ID it as a S&W pre-model 10. I didn't enjoy shooting it because it doesn't fit my hand very well.

As usual I wrapped up with the model 28 (6 inch barrel) revolver because it's so dadgum fun! I shoot this very accurately single action and have started practicing double action.

Posted by: screaming in digital at August 28, 2022 07:40 PM (pkAcY)

110 Yes. I lost the thread as well.
I was afeared I'd broken the place or, Weasel was out to get me.

Posted by: Winston, GOPe, not one dime, not one vote at August 28, 2022 07:40 PM (7rP4D)

111 They are around and usually a bit cheaper than the 7.62 converted ones. So, you can always get one reasonable if you want one. If you want a large ring Mauser, the Spanish M43 Mausers are a strong and decent action. They even had Spanish AirForce marked ones. These usually go well under 500 at Gun broker when they pop up.

Posted by: whig at August 28, 2022 07:37 PM (CXr4y)
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I saw a FR8 that was marked as an FR7 at the show and enlightened the vendor as to the difference. I think I'd like an FR8 because they look pretty steampunk.

I had a wonderful time and show and did some serious wheeling and dealing. Came home very pleased.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 07:40 PM (llXky)

112 106 Okay, that was weird. The Gub Thread page disappeared from the main page, then was magically back.

I picked the wrong week to stop sniffin' glue ...
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at August 28, 2022 07:39 PM (v23vE)
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That was me pushing random buttons behind the scenes. Whoops! Whoopsie-Doodle!

Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 07:40 PM (RR8dE)

113 off fooks

Posted by: rhennigantx at August 28, 2022 07:40 PM (BRHaw)

114 Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at August 28, 2022 07:39 PM (v23vE)

Whew, I thought I was seeing things too.

Posted by: Pauly Bro'shore at August 28, 2022 07:41 PM (KIEXu)

115 110 Yes. I lost the thread as well.
I was afeared I'd broken the place or, Weasel was out to get me.
Posted by: Winston, GOPe, not one dime, not one vote at August 28, 2022 07:40 PM (7rP4D)

Thanks, Winston, for confirming it wasn't just me.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at August 28, 2022 07:41 PM (v23vE)

116 Human-style [lifelike] targets are illegal here I'm pretty sure so I thought for fun I would print pictures of Pickelhaube, Stahlhelm, and Soviet helmets to put on the top of concentric ring targets!

I think what I think is the Nato standard target of a crouching, helmeted enemy soldier running with a bayoneted rifle is allowed though.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 28, 2022 07:41 PM (yikp0)

117 JTB YouTube has lots of answers how to make your own caps for black powder revolvers

Posted by: Skip at August 28, 2022 07:41 PM (k8B25)

118 By the way, thank you for the thread Mr Weasel.
I'll shut up now.

Posted by: Winston, GOPe, not one dime, not one vote at August 28, 2022 07:42 PM (7rP4D)

119 Range USA five minutes from my house took down their Opening Soon sign. Alas still not open but close. Big tease.

Posted by: polynikes at August 28, 2022 07:42 PM (saYt3)

120 For Whig, I have a small selection of Parker Hale rings that may suit. Let me know what you need. I may have it for you.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 28, 2022 07:42 PM (bgJ0E)

121 I owned one back in the 1980s. I owned numerous WWII era bolt-actions back then -- surplus ammo was still dirt cheap. Ended up selling them all except for my M47 Madsen chambered in .30-06.

They'd be worth a small fortune now. *sigh*

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop
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The shooter grade bolt actions have went up some but not as much as the pristine collector grades have. Right now, the good used buys are in the sporterized military actions as collectors avoid them and they are much too heavy and inaccurate for many hunters compared with modern sporting rifles. Restoring them though would cost more than they would be worth right now.

Posted by: whig at August 28, 2022 07:43 PM (CXr4y)

122 That was me pushing random buttons behind the scenes. Whoops! Whoopsie-Doodle!

Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 07:40 PM (RR8dE)
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You are clearly to blame for my typos.

BTW, I picked up something I'll share with the group at a future date. I think you'll like it. Watch your inbox.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 07:43 PM (llXky)

123 I was on the college rifle team and made it to the NCAA national semi-finals utilizing classroom firearms. I outperformed the class instructor and he had a $10K rig bought by his daddy. I loved that shit but it's tough to compete unless your a legacy rich kid.

Interestingly or not, I had shadowy characters approach me on two different occasions proposing that I should consider a gig with the CIA.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 28, 2022 07:43 PM (KD5bY)

124 I shot the 1911 a lot

Posted by: screaming in digital at August 28, 2022 07:40 PM (pkAcY)

I'm jealous. Thanks for the report. Glad the P365 is working out.

Posted by: Pauly Bro'shore at August 28, 2022 07:43 PM (KIEXu)

125 Weasel, if you get a chance head towards Fort Walton Beach and check out the Air Force Armament Museum at Eglin AFB.

https://tinyurl.com/3c2f43wp

Lots of planes on display outside and inside they have an F-105 Thunderchief. The kind of plane my Dad worked on when he was at Eglin working for Republic Aviation.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 28, 2022 07:43 PM (fe7in)

126 You can also find the less common K11 carbines which were the model for the K31 while using the older k1911 rifle action. Tad less accurate than the K31's. Those are usually a bit cheaper than K31's when you can find them.
Posted by: whig at August 28, 2022 07:40 PM (CXr4y)
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One of the only gun purchases I regret not making: A bunch of K-31's came into the country, brand new, discovered in an armory, never issues, etc. $600. I already had two and just couldn't bring myself to buy another. Still kick myself once in a while for not getting one of those.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 28, 2022 07:43 PM (5pTK/)

127 Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 28, 2022 07:30 PM (bVYXr)

Grippers (w/ finger grooves, ergonomically shaped panels for your palm), or Presentation (no finger grooves, shaped like conventional Python grips)? I think the Grippers are more practical for shooting, but the Presentation grips look better on the Python than the Grippers.

Posted by: Ed L at August 28, 2022 07:44 PM (/lmRp)

128 I believe most of the K-31 Swiss rifles in existence are owned by Americans.

Posted by: blake
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Not quite.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 28, 2022 07:44 PM (bgJ0E)

129 Have always been a big fan of the CZ-75 and its variants. For me, the quality and ergonomics are top-notch. As always, thanks for the gub Weasel.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at August 28, 2022 07:44 PM (Xrfse)

130 How to tell a pro 2nd Am versus a Karen-like creature
https://is.gd/U63ZYX

Posted by: Ciampino apologises in advance if he has already posted this but he is 29 at August 28, 2022 07:45 PM (qfLjt)

131 Posted by: Winston, GOPe, not one dime, not one vote at August 28, 2022 07:42 PM (7rP4D)
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My pleasure!

Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 07:45 PM (CMxlz)

132 How about NATO 9mm ammo. Any difference from regular target FMJ ? Of course we all know the difference between .223 and 5.56.

Posted by: polynikes at August 28, 2022 07:45 PM (saYt3)

133 Not quite.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 28, 2022 07:44 PM (bgJ0E)
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? You mean something I read on the internet years ago may not be true?

Thanks for shattering that myth!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 28, 2022 07:45 PM (5pTK/)

134 I picked the wrong week to stop sniffin' glue ...
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy

Mebbe switch brands.....

Posted by: JT at August 28, 2022 07:45 PM (T4tVD)

135 I'm going to steal that meme for my next movie. Hits in the right spot.

Posted by: Pauly Bro'shore at August 28, 2022 07:45 PM (KIEXu)

136 The shooter grade bolt actions have went up some but not as much as the pristine collector grades have. Right now, the good used buys are in the sporterized military actions as collectors avoid them and they are much too heavy and inaccurate for many hunters compared with modern sporting rifles. Restoring them though would cost more than they would be worth right now.

Posted by: whig at August 28, 2022 07:43 PM (CXr4y)
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Based on local observations in Michigan, I'm sensing bolt actions in general are not getting much love. Everyone wants polymer ARs or former ComBloc guns.

Mosin Nagants skyrocketed after "Enemy at the Gates" came out, but I think there may be a dip coming. I saw Arisakas (admittedly flawed) going for grocery money.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 07:46 PM (llXky)

137 BTW, I picked up something I'll share with the group at a future date. I think you'll like it. Watch your inbox.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 07:43 PM (llXky)
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Will do!

Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 07:46 PM (CMxlz)

138 Music: Live from West Point with the West Point Band.

Do they perform like this every year?

Posted by: KT at August 28, 2022 07:46 PM (rrtZS)

139 How about NATO 9mm ammo. Any difference from regular target FMJ ? Of course we all know the difference between .223 and 5.56.

Posted by: polynikes at August 28, 2022 07:45 PM (saYt3)
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NATO 9mm is designed to power submachineguns in the Arctic Circle. Not your best choice for a pistol.

Or so I've heard.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 07:47 PM (llXky)

140 Range report: Took my .38 Colt Cobra snubbie to see how far out I could push it.
Posted by: Ed L at August 28, 2022 07:36 PM (/lmRp)

I carried a Colt Cobra as an off-duty firearm back in the 1980s. That was way before the compact autos in .45 ACP became a thing. The Cobra is a lighter-weight (aluminum frame) version of the Detective Special. I liked my Cobra, but I haven't shot it in a couple of decades.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at August 28, 2022 07:47 PM (pJWtt)

141 When I started all this, I had no idea it would be so much fun! Finally got Bass Pro to release the new Kimber into my hot little hands on Friday. The gun comes with a very nice grip but it is very rough. I ordered some smooth faux white pearl ones from duragrips and Blaster put them on for me. I love the look and they are slightly thinner so works well with my small hands.
I still get a thrill everytime I step up to the firing line but today felt kind of special.
Needed to get the red dot sighted in and we shot 3 rounds at a time til it felt right.
Meanwhile I notice a guy sitting behind us and he's watching us.
to be cont

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 28, 2022 07:47 PM (Y+l9t)

142 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 28, 2022 07:43 PM (fe7in)
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I'll make a note for next time. I'm in Spartanburg, SC tonite, headed home.

Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 07:47 PM (CMxlz)

143 JTB your right on revolvers, better now than in past

Posted by: Skip at August 28, 2022 07:48 PM (k8B25)

144 The Potato Digger has always been a favorite of mine.

Cachunk, Cachunk, Cachunk...biggest drawback was one could not use it in the prone position without, well, digging up taters.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 28, 2022 07:48 PM (R/m4+)

145 Oh, also swa got to shoot a Nighthawk (I think Custom Agent 2) Commander Length .45.

I did not shoot it but I did hold it - it seemed like half the weight of the Kimber 1911s.

I thought Nighthawk was one of the Kimber variants (Night Patrol) not the manufacturer. Just looked up the prices on them. WHOA NELLY! With the optic it had on it that was about a $5k gun. The circumstances of shooting it were part of the fun today.

Posted by: blaster at August 28, 2022 07:48 PM (6TxNR)

146 (keep it going)
You are at the range. You look to your left and see that the Oriental man there, a nodding acquaintance, is shooting a semiauto rifle with a PINK magazine. This means:
- It's October
- it's pre-October (grrrr)

Posted by: Ciampino has a creative endeavor for you at August 28, 2022 07:48 PM (qfLjt)

147 Gubs!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 28, 2022 07:48 PM (RkC6l)

148 116 Human-style [lifelike] targets are illegal here
...
Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 28, 2022 07:41 PM (yikp0)

This is part of the Great Schism between USPSA and the international version of the same shooting sport, IPSC. USPSA targets have "heads," although they really seem more like one of the robots from Robotron 2084. IPSC targets are shaped like a stop sign.... although if you look at the shape and size of the scoring areas, they are remarkably similar to a human torso and where the spine/heart is...

Funny enough, I recall seeing a picture many years ago of a German IPDA target that had TWO heads on (one over each shoulder), thus making it NOT a human silhouette. I'm not sure if this is an urban legend.

Posted by: Dr. Doghouse at August 28, 2022 07:48 PM (hmjvT)

149 Music: Live from West Point with the West Point Band.

Do they perform like this every year?
Posted by: KT at August 28, 2022 07:46 PM (rrtZS)

Every summer they run a concert series

Posted by: Pauly Bro'shore at August 28, 2022 07:48 PM (KIEXu)

150 I can confirm the tales about the Naval Air Museum in Pensacola. If you ever find yourself in Seattle, the Air and Space Museum at Boeing Field is well worth a tour.

Posted by: Winston, GOPe, not one dime, not one vote at August 28, 2022 07:48 PM (7rP4D)

151 Great thread, Weasel!
I especially enjoyed the EarthRoamer vid. What a rig.

Posted by: gourmand du jour, back where I belong at August 28, 2022 07:49 PM (jTmQV)

152 108 I finished my first AR build yesterday, and even though it's not much of a feat for many of the much more accomplished folks on this thread, I felt as proud as a kid building his first model airplane -- and I didn't even smear glue all over it! I now need to decide on an optic for it.

Good work. The first one I did, I was a lot happier (even tho I knew I had got it right) was after mag dumping a few rounds to break in the barrel. Its a good feeling, no?

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 28, 2022 07:49 PM (bgJ0E)

153 120 For Whig, I have a small selection of Parker Hale rings that may suit. Let me know what you need. I may have it for you.

Posted by: NZFrank
Thanks. I will have to scare up the specs. I have some decent Sports Mount imports from England but if I recall, the original Parker Hale rings for the BA24 mount were 7/8's but would have to check that.

Since I can get to my long arms now after remodeling debris is gone, I will try to give weasel some pix of Enfields and a brief story as I like them, even the P14.

Posted by: whig at August 28, 2022 07:49 PM (CXr4y)

154 You are at the range. You look to your left and see that the Oriental man there, a nodding acquaintance, is shooting a semiauto rifle with a PINK magazine. This means:
- It's October
- it's pre-October (grrrr)

Posted by: Ciampino has a creative endeavor for you at August 28, 2022 07:48 PM (qfLjt)
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He's gay?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 07:49 PM (llXky)

155 Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 28, 2022 07:30 PM (bVYXr)

Grippers (w/ finger grooves, ergonomically shaped panels for your palm), or Presentation (no finger grooves, shaped like conventional Python grips)? I think the Grippers are more practical for shooting, but the Presentation grips look better on the Python than the Grippers.

Posted by: Ed L at August 28, 2022 07:44 PM

Finger grip one. Looks OK on the gun, not as nice as the wood grips but I can't seem to find a decent grip that works for me with the factory wood grips.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 28, 2022 07:49 PM (bVYXr)

156 142 I'll make a note for next time. I'm in Spartanburg, SC tonite, headed home.

Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 07:47 PM

Cue the Marshall Tucker Band

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 28, 2022 07:50 PM (fe7in)

157
Posted by: gourmand du jour, back where I belong at August 28, 2022 07:49 PM (jTmQV)
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Why thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 07:50 PM (CMxlz)

158 132 How about NATO 9mm ammo. Any difference from regular target FMJ ? Of course we all know the difference between .223 and 5.56.
Posted by: polynikes at August 28, 2022 07:45 PM (saYt3)

I picked up a box of 500 NATO 9mm. It's 124 grain and it is supposed to be a bit hotter than your standard commercial FMJ, but not quite up to +P.

Posted by: blaster at August 28, 2022 07:50 PM (6TxNR)

159 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 07:47 PM (llXky)

I have 200 rounds I bought years ago. I'll use in my PCCs.

Posted by: polynikes at August 28, 2022 07:50 PM (saYt3)

160 Finally got Bass Pro to release the new Kimber into my hot little hands on Friday. The gun comes with a very nice grip but it is very rough. I ordered some smooth faux white pearl ones from duragrips and Blaster put them on for me. I love the look and they are slightly thinner so works well with my small hands.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 28, 2022 07:47 PM (Y+l9t)

Score! Will you be able to show us before and after pics?!

Posted by: Pauly Bro'shore at August 28, 2022 07:51 PM (KIEXu)

161 Note: Brinson's is just up from the host hotel on the way to the ranch. If you want to buy it there, I will stop in every week and check on the supply if you let me know what you want.

Olly shit, how did we get here already/

Posted by: Ben Had at August 28, 2022 07:51 PM (P9fkO)

162 The shooter grade bolt actions have went up some but not as much as the pristine collector grades have. Right now, the good used buys are in the sporterized military actions as collectors avoid them and they are much too heavy and inaccurate for many hunters compared with modern sporting rifles. Restoring them though would cost more than they would be worth right now.

Posted by: whig at August 28, 2022 07:43 PM (CXr4y)

Interesting; back then the sporterized versions were definitely undesirable. I haven't paid much attention to the firearm market for quite a while: I have a decent collection and just don't have need for anymore (not something my 20 year-old bachelor self would have thought his 29 year-old married old-fart version would say).

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at August 28, 2022 07:52 PM (pJWtt)

163 Posted by: blaster at August 28, 2022 07:50 PM (6TxNR)

Thanks

Posted by: polynikes at August 28, 2022 07:52 PM (saYt3)

164 Then Blaster shoots his Kimber 45 and hits center target. Guy next to us leans over and asks what model lhe's shooting and then see's my new Kimber Aegis. He brings over his Nighthawk and asks if I want to shoot it so of course I say yes. Then proceed to put a pretty nice group up. He looks at me and gives me the best compliment you can get at the range. He says, Never going to break into your house.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 28, 2022 07:52 PM (Y+l9t)

165 Score! Will you be able to show us before and after pics?!
Posted by: Pauly Bro'shore at August 28, 2022 07:51 PM (KIEXu)

YES!

Documented for the GT. Will be sending to weasel this week.

Posted by: blaster at August 28, 2022 07:52 PM (6TxNR)

166 so the Olafson family will be watching "Real Genius" from way back in 1985 this evening in wonderful HD....looks better than when it was new probably.

You start off wanting to be Chris Knight, are afraid you are kent and in the end aspire to be Lazlo and live in another man's closet.....

Posted by: sven at August 28, 2022 07:28 PM

I love that movie.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 28, 2022 07:52 PM (RkC6l)

167 I suppose I should mention I was also visiting my 92 yo uncles younger sister, who is my Mom.

Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 07:52 PM (CMxlz)

168 Posted by: screaming in digital at August 28, 2022 07:40 PM (pkAcY)

SiD, if you still want to shoot that pre-Model 10, could you change the grips out? A lot of S&W snubbies never felt "right" to me because their factory grips are way too small for my taste. After market grips should be readily available from a number of manufacturers.

Posted by: Ed L at August 28, 2022 07:53 PM (/lmRp)

169 Olly shit, how did we get here already/
Posted by: Ben Had at August 28, 2022 07:51 PM (P9fkO)
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*Pictures Ben licking pencil, checking list, saying, "Okay, that's 1K rounds of .308. Did you get the 2,000 rounds of 9 mm in yet? How about the 45 acp?"*

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 28, 2022 07:54 PM (5pTK/)

170 Have always had Pachmayr grips on my Colt Trooper, loved them from get go.

Posted by: Skip at August 28, 2022 07:54 PM (k8B25)

171 I suppose I should mention I was also visiting my 92 yo uncles younger sister, who is my Mom.
Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 07:52 PM (CMxlz

Are you his favorite nephew?

Posted by: polynikes at August 28, 2022 07:54 PM (saYt3)

172 Getting back to the KP89, for years I had regarded it as a lower-tier weapon, not on par with SIGs or Walthers.

So my experience yesterday was something of a revelation. I hadn't gotten it out in a while and I was expecting a serious falloff in performance but it wasn't half bad, not at all.

All of which is to say that while a finely crafted instrument helps, skill is usually a much bigger factor. Since I picked that up all those years ago, everything about my shooting has improved, and guess what? I can appreciate the clunky weight of that KP89 and squeeze more performance out of it than I thought it was capable of generating.

See also: practicing on a beater horn and then using the silver one for the performance.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 07:54 PM (llXky)

173 I have so many miscellaneous accessories in a drawer, and I need to sort them out. Mlok to rail strips, optics, and tiny screws. My rifle case has a bag with twelve little allen wrenches in it. I surely don't need all of them.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 28, 2022 07:55 PM (ybIRR)

174 Based on local observations in Michigan, I'm sensing bolt actions in general are not getting much love. Everyone wants polymer ARs or former ComBloc guns.

Mosin Nagants skyrocketed after "Enemy at the Gates" came out, but I think there may be a dip coming. I saw Arisakas (admittedly flawed) going for grocery money.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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Ammo cost and availability is one reason. The cheap imported surplus blasting ammo is now gone. For many of them like the Arisaka, they are for primarily reloaders only unless you have a rechambered one or like fireforming a wildcat chamber.

If you ever decide you want an Arisaka, Castle Thunder website (run by two guys out with an Arisaka collector book) has datasheets that interpret the Kanji script on them so you get their year of mfg, series, and so on.

Posted by: whig at August 28, 2022 07:55 PM (CXr4y)

175 SiD, if you still want to shoot that pre-Model 10, could you change the grips out? A lot of S&W snubbies never felt "right" to me because their factory grips are way too small for my taste. After market grips should be readily available from a number of manufacturers.
Posted by: Ed L at August 28, 2022 07:53 PM (/lmRp)
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Absolutely, Ed L.
SiD - email me re: the grips and I can point you in the right direction.

Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 07:55 PM (CMxlz)

176 Olly shit, how did we get here already/
Posted by: Ben Had at August 28, 2022 07:51 PM (P9fkO)
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*Pictures Ben licking pencil, checking list, saying, "Okay, that's 1K rounds of .308. Did you get the 2,000 rounds of 9 mm in yet? How about the 45 acp?"*

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 28, 2022 07:54 PM

Imma hafta buy some locally. Can't bring enough on the plane.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 28, 2022 07:56 PM (RkC6l)

177 Blaster took pictures of the grip changeover and will send the pictures to Weasel with a writeup. It came with a very nice Vortex Venom MOA 6 red dot. Itis a very handsome piece of equipment and from the reactions I keep getting when people see it, I think I made a pretty good choice. Not mention that it was really fun to shoot although because of the fire drill session got cut a little short.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 28, 2022 07:56 PM (Y+l9t)

178 Yes, after dialing in swa's optic I shot the Raptor II as comparison other with iron sights. I blew out the bullseye on our target with 5 rounds at 7 yards. I NEVER shoot that well because, well, I am just not that good. The dude next lane over peers around the side panel and says was that a 1911? His shooting partner ran over to look, too. And that's when they saw Sharon's gun.

BTW, this is the guy with the Nighthawk. His carry gun was a Wilson Combat in 9mm. So he had some appreciation for 1911s.

Posted by: blaster at August 28, 2022 07:56 PM (6TxNR)

179 117 ... "YouTube has lots of answers how to make your own caps for black powder revolvers"

Hi Skip,

Thanks for the heads up. I don't need caps since I stocked up after the last shortage a few years ago. (I learned my lesson during that shortage.) I am tempted to try one of the make-your-own-caps kits just for fun and out of curiosity.

Posted by: JTB at August 28, 2022 07:57 PM (7EjX1)

180 Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 28, 2022 07:56 PM (Y+l9t)

You are a single stack gal . 😁

Posted by: polynikes at August 28, 2022 07:57 PM (saYt3)

181 I finished my first AR build yesterday

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at August 28, 2022 07:40 PM (B0rQx)

Very sweet! It's a great feeling!

"I'm thinking this will be a "Welcome to the Band of Brothers" present."

Oh, now that will be very nice, indeed. See if you can get it engraved with a globe and anchor or something.

Posted by: GWB at August 28, 2022 07:57 PM (VBVUg)

182 I can appreciate the clunky weight of that KP89 and squeeze more performance out of it than I thought it was capable of generating.

See also: practicing on a beater horn and then using the silver one for the performance.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 07:54 PM (llXky)

K means stainless, right? I have a P95 with a stainless slide and it compares VERY favorably to my Sig P226 in form and function. DA/SA with de-cocker. Heavy enough to use as a club when empty.

Posted by: blaster at August 28, 2022 07:58 PM (6TxNR)

183
If you ever decide you want an Arisaka, Castle Thunder website (run by two guys out with an Arisaka collector book) has datasheets that interpret the Kanji script on them so you get their year of mfg, series, and so on.

Posted by: whig at August 28, 2022 07:55 PM (CXr4y)
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Good to know. Arisakas are a 'second tier' for my collection. Handguns are my primary interest, but as you know I've been tinkering around.

Of course, I should stop doing all these canoe trips so I can finally hold onto something!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 07:59 PM (llXky)

184 Howdy

Posted by: Gref at August 28, 2022 07:59 PM (rMSou)

185 Posted by: polynikes at August 28, 2022 07:54 PM (saYt3)
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Well I have a lot of competition in that regard. I think there are something like 18 first cousins! It was a really good time, though. I hadn't been down there in about 25 years.

Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 07:59 PM (CMxlz)

186 I shot the 1911 a lot - I'm having a lot of trouble with the sights, but I think a little paint or whiteout will do the trick.

Posted by: screaming in digital at August 28, 2022 07:40 PM (pkAcY)

I put fluorescent orange model paint on my front sight. And fluorescent green in the rear dots. Along with silver in the notch. It actually is fairly visible in low-moderate light. But do be precise with the paint.

Posted by: GWB at August 28, 2022 07:59 PM (VBVUg)

187 Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at August 28, 2022 07:47 PM (pJWtt)

My Colt Cobra is one of the "new generation" guns from 2017. It carries the Cobra name, but it's really a Detective Special follow on since the new Cobras are all steel. Unlike its predecessors, it can handle +P ammo. I like it.

Posted by: Ed L at August 28, 2022 08:00 PM (/lmRp)

188 184 Howdy
Posted by: Gref at August 28, 2022 07:59 PM (rMSou)
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Gref - I PROMISE i will return your email this week. Please accept my apologies!

Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 08:00 PM (CMxlz)

189 Finger grip one. Looks OK on the gun, not as nice as the wood grips but I can't seem to find a decent grip that works for me with the factory wood grips.

Posted by: Mister Scott
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There are some folks out there that will make you custom sized grips based on an outline of your hands. Pricey compared with factory jobs but a lot less in wood than a rifle stock will set you back.

Posted by: whig at August 28, 2022 08:01 PM (CXr4y)

190 blakem that and how many chicken thighs do we need for the paella!

Posted by: Ben Had at August 28, 2022 08:01 PM (P9fkO)

191 You are a single stack gal . 😁

Posted by: polynikes at August 28, 2022 07:57 PM (s

Yes, yes I am. (-:

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 28, 2022 08:01 PM (Y+l9t)

192 Sharon -

I'm not gonna break in yer house either.

Cause I am NOT a crook !

Posted by: JT at August 28, 2022 08:01 PM (T4tVD)

193 K means stainless, right? I have a P95 with a stainless slide and it compares VERY favorably to my Sig P226 in form and function. DA/SA with de-cocker. Heavy enough to use as a club when empty.

Posted by: blaster at August 28, 2022 07:58 PM (6TxNR)
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Yes, and the controls are the same as the M9 because it was Ruger's entry into the pistol contest. I find it blocky and heavy, but I have a lot of history with it and appreciate it.

As for the P226, I consider it the ne plus ultra of 9mm handguns, and have tested it repeatedly against anything I can get my hands on. The P226 always seems to win.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 08:01 PM (llXky)

194 and congrats to nurse r !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - we are being gaslighted 24/365 at August 28, 2022 08:01 PM (+eXoW)

195 SiD, if you still want to shoot that pre-Model 10, could you change the grips out? A lot of S&W snubbies never felt "right" to me because their factory grips are way too small for my taste. After market grips should be readily available from a number of manufacturers.
Posted by: Ed L at August 28, 2022 07:53 PM (/lmRp)

That reminds me; my Colt Cobra has the Tyler T-Grip adapter on it. I like the T-Grip because it fills that narrow spot between the old-school revolver grip and the trigger guard.

Apparently they're still being made but delivery is slow.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at August 28, 2022 08:01 PM (pJWtt)

196 I saw Arisakas (admittedly flawed) going for grocery money.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 07:46 PM (llXky)

Jap weapons can go for big money to collectors if the weapon is is good shape. A lot came over as bring backs and surplus from Red China years ago in not the best of shape but still good shooters. Ammo has always been a problem if you don't reload Jap 6.5 or 7.7 but if you see a decent Type 38 or 99 I would buy as they ain't making them anymore. Type 44 carbines are always wanted and there were 3 different bayonet types if I remember right.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 28, 2022 08:01 PM (R/m4+)

197 The guy with the Nighthawk and WC 1911s asked to shoot swa's pistol. He did pretty well with it just picking it up (I am not surprised). I said pretty good for just out of the box, right? He says how many rounds through it? I look over at the ammo box, about 20 or 30?

He was REALLY impressed.

Posted by: blaster at August 28, 2022 08:03 PM (6TxNR)

198 I put fluorescent orange model paint on my front sight. And fluorescent green in the rear dots. Along with silver in the notch. It actually is fairly visible in low-moderate light. But do be precise with the paint.
Posted by: GWB at August 28, 2022 07:59 PM (VBVUg)

Feeling like I'll need to troll through the hobby and bodging thread to get gud at paint precision before I mess up some sights.

Posted by: Pauly Bro'shore at August 28, 2022 08:04 PM (KIEXu)

199 I put fluorescent orange model paint on my front sight. And fluorescent green in the rear dots. Along with silver in the notch. It actually is fairly visible in low-moderate light. But do be precise with the paint.

Posted by: GWB at August 28, 2022 07:59 PM (VBVUg)
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When I asked my daughter for a bottle of her brightest nail polish she raised an eyebrow, but once she realized it was for the front sight of my Iver Johnson Sidewinder, she recommended Pearl White.

An excellent choice, as it turned out. Too bad about the canoe accident.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 08:04 PM (llXky)

200 Good work. The first one I did, I was a lot happier (even tho I knew I had got it right) was after mag dumping a few rounds to break in the barrel. Its a good feeling, no?
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 28, 2022 07:49 PM (bgJ0E)

Sure is! I should be able to run some mags through it this coming week, then will probably put it up until I can give it to my new Marine.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at August 28, 2022 08:04 PM (B0rQx)

201 Posted by: Pauly Bro'shore at August 28, 2022 08:04 PM (KIEXu)
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It's easy to wipe off if you make a mistake. Try using a pencil point as an applicator for a single drop.

Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 08:05 PM (CMxlz)

202 I guess there will be no exotics in texas that use 45 acp?

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at August 28, 2022 08:05 PM (VwHCD)

203 Feeling like I'll need to troll through the hobby and bodging thread to get gud at paint precision before I mess up some sights.

Posted by: Pauly Bro'shore at August 28, 2022 08:04 PM (KIEXu)
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Use masking tape. Makes it a lot easier.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 08:05 PM (llXky)

204 Darn! For a black-powder flintlock just today I thought of getting a Prussian 1740 Potsdam repro but I see here that it is a pinned barrel and not a banded one like the French Charleville.

https://www.militaryheritage.com/
musket19.htm

I could have sworn it was banded -- and thus easier to disassemble for cleaning; and I see the self-priming model isn't until 1770, so I'd be missing out on that too.

[#148 reply next]

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 28, 2022 08:06 PM (yikp0)

205 Congratulations on your new pistol and your prowess on the range, Sharon!!!!! Good for
You! Are you going to bring your Kimber to Texas?

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 28, 2022 08:06 PM (U2p+3)

206 Oh - PSA PSA. They are having their Labor Day sale now. Free shipping on lots of stuff.

Like their combo of a Stealth AR-15 and PSA Dagger (their Glock 17 kinda clone). $699. FOR BOTH. Free shipping. That's a lot of gun for your dollar.

Posted by: blaster at August 28, 2022 08:06 PM (6TxNR)

207 There will be a shoot-n-scoot range at the MoMe this year along with the standard targets.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 28, 2022 08:06 PM (P9fkO)

208 It's easy to wipe off if you make a mistake. Try using a pencil point as an applicator for a single drop.
Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 08:05 PM (CMxlz)

Oh, a pencil point should work. Would a mechanical pencil be too skinny? Maybe the paint would bubble too much on the end......

Posted by: Pauly Bro'shore at August 28, 2022 08:07 PM (KIEXu)

209 Berserker,
I was hoping to shoot weasels Kimber compact a bit more, so was
Planning on getting a couple hundred rounds of 45 to start with. Then a couple
Hundred of 9. And then some 22. Jeepers.

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 28, 2022 08:08 PM (U2p+3)

210 Oh, a pencil point should work. Would a mechanical pencil be too skinny? Maybe the paint would bubble too much on the end......
Posted by: Pauly Bro'shore at August 28, 2022 08:07 PM (KIEXu)
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You can try it with a regular pencil or a mechanical pencil. Try different things until you get the results you like.

Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 08:09 PM (CMxlz)

211 Use masking tape. Makes it a lot easier.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 08:05 PM (llXky)

How would one use the tape? Tape up everything but like a small window to put the paint into?

Posted by: Pauly Bro'shore at August 28, 2022 08:09 PM (KIEXu)

212 Hi Nurse
Yes! I have a case for it so going to bring the Kimber and my G48 which I'm starting to feel comfortable with. I think that will be my carry gun so starting to think about holster possibilities so want to talk to you about that.
This all feels so incredible to me.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 28, 2022 08:09 PM (Y+l9t)

213 Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van

Semper Fidelis. Congratulations!

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 28, 2022 08:10 PM (U2p+3)

214 #148 This is part of the Great Schism between USPSA and the international version of the same shooting sport, IPSC.
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I know the ones you mean with the blocky head [although rounded off a bit] that also look to me like old-fashioned squarish bottles as well as your robot comparison.

I don't know about those either but realistic terrorist or urban gangbangers [even non-racist white ones!] are definitely forbidden.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 28, 2022 08:10 PM (yikp0)

215 How would one use the tape? Tape up everything but like a small window to put the paint into?

Posted by: Pauly Bro'shore at August 28, 2022 08:09 PM (KIEXu)
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Exactly. I put tape along the sides of the front sight down the where it met the barrel. Hit it with the nail polish, waited the prescribed amount of time, peeled it off and boosted my accuracy considerably.

Plus, I feel fabulous!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 08:10 PM (llXky)

216 Jap weapons can go for big money to collectors if the weapon is is good shape. A lot came over as bring backs and surplus from Red China years ago in not the best of shape but still good shooters. Ammo has always been a problem if you don't reload Jap 6.5 or 7.7 but if you see a decent Type 38 or 99 I would buy as they ain't making them anymore. Type 44 carbines are always wanted and there were 3 different bayonet types if I remember right.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy
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I started accumulating buying Enfields, Mosins, and Arisakas when everyone else was buying Mausers. But, Enfields, Arisakas, and Mosins can use basically the same caliber bullets for reloading purposes which is why I did what I did.

Posted by: whig at August 28, 2022 08:11 PM (CXr4y)

217 You can try it with a regular pencil or a mechanical pencil. Try different things until you get the results you like.
Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 08:09 PM (CMxlz)

Yeah, sorry just thinking out loud about the physics. Water/surface tension is an oddity at times.

Posted by: Pauly Bro'shore at August 28, 2022 08:11 PM (KIEXu)

218 Well, time to wander.

Later, all!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 28, 2022 08:11 PM (5pTK/)

219 My Colt Cobra is one of the "new generation" guns from 2017. It carries the Cobra name, but it's really a Detective Special follow on since the new Cobras are all steel. Unlike its predecessors, it can handle +P ammo. I like it.
Posted by: Ed L at August 28, 2022 08:00 PM (/lmRp)

I wondered if you had an old version or the new. What is funny is that, once police switched to autos, the market for 4inch revolvers died-out. Now-a-days, it's either snubbies or 6+ inch barrels for revolvers.

Back when I was a patrol officer, my sidearm was a Colt Trooper Mk II in .357 Mag. That was a heavy revolver with almost a bull-barrel to help minimize recoil. I ended up selling it, when I went to a auto for a sidearm. First a Glock 19 in the 9mm Euro-pellet and then the Colt Double Eagle in .45 ACP once we convinced our Chief to allow more cartridge options.

Best shot I ever made was with my Double Eagle when I put a bullet right between a pit bull's eyes when he was in mid-leap about to take a chunk out of me!

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at August 28, 2022 08:11 PM (pJWtt)

220 OK, I have to cut out early. Going to a show in one of the prominent local joints. My son's band is playing. ("Band" = guitars and drums and screaming metal and possibly a mosh pit, NOT an orchestra or marching sort.)

Posted by: GWB at August 28, 2022 08:11 PM (VBVUg)

221 Exactly. I put tape along the sides of the front sight down the where it met the barrel. Hit it with the nail polish, waited the prescribed amount of time, peeled it off and boosted my accuracy considerably.

Plus, I feel fabulous!
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 08:10 PM (llXky)

Ah yeah, makes sense that way. I can even see making a hexagon window with 6 pieces of tape. It'll be worth it. Oh and use a pencil as a precaution.

Posted by: Pauly Bro'shore at August 28, 2022 08:13 PM (KIEXu)

222 Bers, you would be wrong.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 28, 2022 08:13 PM (P9fkO)

223 SiD, if you still want to shoot that pre-Model 10, could you change the grips out? A lot of S&W snubbies never felt "right" to me because their factory grips are way too small for my taste. After market grips should be readily available from a number of manufacturers.
Posted by: Ed L
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Probably so, but since I'm getting a little more consistent with the P365 I'm looking at that for CC. I may try the snubbie again, but it's not high on my priority list right now.

Posted by: screaming in digital at August 28, 2022 08:13 PM (pkAcY)

224 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 28, 2022 08:11 PM (5pTK/)

Adios semi lurker

Posted by: Pauly Bro'shore at August 28, 2022 08:14 PM (KIEXu)

225 I am starting to think the TexasMoMe is going to go on some ammo companies' quarterly reports.

Posted by: blaster at August 28, 2022 08:14 PM (6TxNR)

226 Oh, now that will be very nice, indeed. See if you can get it engraved with a globe and anchor or something.
Posted by: GWB at August 28, 2022 07:57 PM (VBVUg)

Just may do that. Thanks for the suggestion!

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at August 28, 2022 08:14 PM (B0rQx)

227 Thanks for the Gun Thread Weasel!

Awesome job Nurse!! I am so proud of you!

Posted by: DBCooper at August 28, 2022 08:15 PM (y1Mvi)

228 Ben Had!

Soon.....

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 28, 2022 08:15 PM (Y+l9t)

229 Posted by: DBCooper at August 28, 2022 08:15 PM (y1Mvi)
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You bet!

Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 08:15 PM (CMxlz)

230 Best shot I ever made was with my Double Eagle when I put a bullet right between a pit bull's eyes when he was in mid-leap about to take a chunk out of me!

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at August 28, 2022 08:11 PM (pJWtt)
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I took a feral cat at a dead run with a 20 gauge back in the day. This beast was literally stalking my toddler. I'd missed with the first barrel but tagged it with the second. My wife was watching from the house and said it was a hell of a shot.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 08:15 PM (llXky)

231 swa you should tell the story of your pickup...

Posted by: blaster at August 28, 2022 08:16 PM (6TxNR)

232 Bers, you would be wrong.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 28, 2022 08:13 PM (P9fkO)

Well, I'm not talking handguns.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at August 28, 2022 08:16 PM (VwHCD)

233 Time to call it a night.

Thanks for another great thread Weasel.

Night all!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 28, 2022 08:16 PM (fe7in)

234 I started accumulating buying Enfields, Mosins, and Arisakas when everyone else was buying Mausers. But, Enfields, Arisakas, and Mosins can use basically the same caliber bullets for reloading purposes which is why I did what I did.
Posted by: whig at August 28, 2022 08:11 PM (CXr4y)

Very nice whig! My favorite Arisaka is actually the Type I with the Carcano action. Heavy, but zero recoil and the magazine is what the Italians should have adopted for their Carcanos but they were set in their clip feeding way.
I always thought a mag fed Carcano would have been a great rifle.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 28, 2022 08:17 PM (R/m4+)

235 Gah, just had to write a condolence note to my mate who just lost his mum. Hard to write to a Maj General on keeping his chin up. As we say - Onward!

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 28, 2022 08:17 PM (bgJ0E)

236 That is one of the great unsung miracles was when Grumman invented that turret for their first Turkey.

Curtis could not invent such a turret for their Beast. At first the SB2C-1s went to war with a single .50 cal in a Scharff ring and later models reverted to the defensive armament of the Dauntless that the Helldiver was intended to replaced, two .30 cal machine guns.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 28, 2022 08:18 PM (q+BW6)

237 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 28, 2022 08:16 PM (fe7in)
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Nite, bud.

Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 08:18 PM (CMxlz)

238 I took a feral cat at a dead run with a 20 gauge back in the day. This beast was literally stalking my toddler. I'd missed with the first barrel but tagged it with the second. My wife was watching from the house and said it was a hell of a shot.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 08:15 PM (llXky)

Glad you got that beast before it bit your kid.

OT, I will definitely buy your China book when you get it published.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at August 28, 2022 08:19 PM (pJWtt)

239 {{{Sharon}}} Cannot wait to watch you shoot your new acquisition! So proud of you!!

Posted by: screaming in digital at August 28, 2022 08:19 PM (pkAcY)

240 Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at August 28, 2022 08:11 PM (pJWtt)

Nice shooting when it really counted!

Posted by: Ed L at August 28, 2022 08:19 PM (/lmRp)

241 'Nite Scuba

Posted by: JT at August 28, 2022 08:19 PM (T4tVD)

242 My devious mind just figured out how to get a perp behind a hostage targets made up. Third round of the shoot-n-scoot.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 28, 2022 08:19 PM (P9fkO)

243 From This Ain't Hell here is a weapons BOLO

On 2 August an M240B went unaccounted for at Ft. Irwin in California. Army CID is now circulating flyers asking for information on the missing weapon.

Do weapons get their version of an Amber Alert?

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 28, 2022 08:20 PM (q+BW6)

244 blaster - that mug’s a souvenir from the Hawthorne NV ordnance museum.

Highly recommend a visit if driving through western NV. Huge ammo depot built for WWII, supplying the Pacific theater. Now just some de-milling goes on there. Scenic valley.

Highlight for me was the 16-inch naval gun stuff - shells, sections of unused spare barrels.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 28, 2022 08:20 PM (OTzUX)

245 Regarding 4 inch revolvers, there seems to be a resurgence in heavier calibers. The Taurus Tracker .44 Magnum in 4 inch barrel length seems to have found a niche.

Not as heavy as the longer barrel versions, and packs enough horsepower to kill anything you run into whilst hiking in the woods.

Carried in a comfy semi-open carry rig (open carry is legal in Michigan), and it would be a great camping/hiking option for self defense.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 08:20 PM (llXky)

246
Plus, I feel fabulous!
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 08:10 PM (llXky)

Good for you. Apparently its hard to run between stages in high heels. Let me know how you go and I can offer some advice if needed.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 28, 2022 08:20 PM (bgJ0E)

247 DBCooper!
Thank you! You been shootin lately?

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 28, 2022 08:20 PM (U2p+3)

248 Just back from bbq at church. Now for content.

Posted by: Eromero at August 28, 2022 08:20 PM (0OP+5)

249 (peeks in)

https://youtu.be/hZmrS_w6s7s

(Lurks)

Posted by: Puddleglum at August 28, 2022 08:21 PM (sAmhv)

250 Good night everybody. It was fun talking about guns. I haven't done that in a while.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at August 28, 2022 08:21 PM (pJWtt)

251 {{{SiD}}} you know I feel the same way about you. You better make it to Texas!

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 28, 2022 08:21 PM (Y+l9t)

252 Ben Had!

Soon.....

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 28, 2022 08:15 PM

*nods*

Soon....

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 28, 2022 08:21 PM (RkC6l)

253 Hiya Nurse !

Posted by: JT at August 28, 2022 08:21 PM (T4tVD)

254 sra blaster heard about IDPA and she wants to get into the game - NRA range has it and it's close by but I kinda think they are pretty serious about it.

As to this: I did get a procedural for dropping a mag with live rounds on the course. I also shot one hostage. But he deserved it.

I could totally see her saying that. nurse you will meet sra blaster in Texas tell her about your IDPA fun.

Posted by: blaster at August 28, 2022 08:22 PM (6TxNR)

255
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at August 28, 2022 08:21 PM (pJWtt)
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Nite!

Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 08:22 PM (CMxlz)

256 I took a feral cat at a dead run with a 20 gauge back in the day. This beast was literally stalking my toddler. I'd missed with the first barrel but tagged it with the second. My wife was watching from the house and said it was a hell of a shot.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 08:15 PM (llXky)

Yeah you say that now, but what were you wearing?

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 28, 2022 08:22 PM (bgJ0E)

257 Very nice whig! My favorite Arisaka is actually the Type I with the Carcano action. Heavy, but zero recoil and the magazine is what the Italians should have adopted for their Carcanos but they were set in their clip feeding way.
I always thought a mag fed Carcano would have been a great rifle.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy
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Those are generally in very good condition as they were not used much by frontline troops. I don't have one but supposedly they are one of the more accurate Arisakas which I do not doubt partially because the Japanese stuck with Metford rifling long after the Brits stopped using it. I actually have a nice wartime capture (probably due to intact mum) 7.7 Arisaka complete with the poncy bipod and the ambitious air craft wings along with a chromed bore. Rebuilt a 6.5 Japanese Long rifle and have several carbines. Rebuilt a 7.7 Arisaka as a shooter just so I won't be tempted to take the cherry one out to the range.

Posted by: whig at August 28, 2022 08:22 PM (CXr4y)

258 Glad you got that beast before it bit your kid.

OT, I will definitely buy your China book when you get it published.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at August 28, 2022 08:19 PM (pJWtt)
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It was weird. She'd go out and play and that cat would just show up. We yelled, threw rocks, it didn't care. On the fateful evening, it was like one of those schlock horror films. She came running to the house with mom, I came out with the shotgun. The cat just looked at me.

Crazy.

I'm hoping the book is ready next month. Also hoping we aren't at war with China before it comes out as I'd like to maximize my royalties.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 08:23 PM (llXky)

259 242 My devious mind just figured out how to get a perp behind a hostage targets made up. Third round of the shoot-n-scoot.
Posted by: Ben Had at August 28, 2022 08:19 PM (P9fkO)

I've always been a big fan of the Keanu Reeves philosophy in Speed - "Shoot the hostage. Take 'em out of the equation."

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at August 28, 2022 08:23 PM (v23vE)

260 Curtis could not invent such a turret for their Beast. At first the SB2C-1s went to war with a single .50 cal in a Scharff ring and later models reverted to the defensive armament of the Dauntless that the Helldiver was intended to replaced, two .30 cal machine guns.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 28, 2022 08:18 PM (q+BW6)

I always wondered why the Navy was in such a rush to replace the Dauntless with the Helldiver. The Dauntless was a proven combat aircraft and capable.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 28, 2022 08:23 PM (R/m4+)

261 Plus, I feel fabulous!
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Glitter polish?!

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 28, 2022 08:24 PM (yikp0)

262 On 2 August an M240B went unaccounted for at Ft. Irwin in California. Army CID is now circulating flyers asking for information on the missing weapon.

Do weapons get their version of an Amber Alert?

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 28, 2022 08:20 PM

Seriously...WTF? Have you seen this gun? What's next? Milk carton photos?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 28, 2022 08:24 PM (RkC6l)

263 In and out tonight.

Didn't see it mentioned, but the 80% rule by unelected government employees was finalized.

https://tinyurl.com/2pkb4vwj

That paperweight is now a gun and needs to have numbers and registration with the ATF before it is sold or destroyed. It won't reduce "ghost guns" crimes one single bit because the same criminals that stole guns and filed the serial numbers off before will still be doing it, but now you MAGA fascists are criminals and can have a no-knock ATF visit whenever the mood strikes.

See how handy that rule is?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - China is making you buy EVs, read to bottom at August 28, 2022 08:24 PM (Y5s+k)

264 Browning got the idea for the Potato Digger from watching re-runs of 'The Rifleman' Fist lever action Machinegun ever made.

Posted by: DBCooper at August 28, 2022 08:24 PM (y1Mvi)

265 199 I put fluorescent orange model paint on my front sight. And fluorescent green in the rear dots. Along with silver in the notch. It actually is fairly visible in low-moderate light. But do be precise with the paint.

Posted by: GWB at August 28, 2022 07:59 PM (VBVUg)
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When I asked my daughter for a bottle of her brightest nail polish she raised an eyebrow, but once she realized it was for the front sight of my Iver Johnson Sidewinder, she recommended Pearl White.

An excellent choice, as it turned out. Too bad about the canoe accident.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 08:04 PM (llXky)

Look into fishing lure paint if your piece is one you hunt with and is subject to harsher environs than ranges. It's flat, unlike nail polish, and I think more durable than model enamels.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at August 28, 2022 08:24 PM (8C7+r)

266 Yeah you say that now, but what were you wearing?

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 28, 2022 08:22 PM (bgJ0E)
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A lavender evening gown with black pumps, you jealous bitch.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 08:24 PM (llXky)

267 Weasel. SiD's Pre-Model 10 is a square butt, and will use any standard "K-frame" grip, sized thus.

Her's is a "five-screw" also known as a "long action" S&W. Fortunately, Smith had already resolved the shape of both the square and round butt dimensions of the K-frame grip, which continues today and carries over to the "L-frame" advancements. IIRC, even the mighty "X-frame" guns hide a round butt "K-frame" dimensioned grip frame under whichever external grips they ship with.

"N-frames" though, have dimensions unto themselves, in both the round and square butt variants.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at August 28, 2022 08:25 PM (tkOps)

268 Look into fishing lure paint if your piece is one you hunt with and is subject to harsher environs than ranges. It's flat, unlike nail polish, and I think more durable than model enamels.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at August 28, 2022 08:24 PM (8C7+r)
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This is for target practice only.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 08:26 PM (llXky)

269 Fist lever action

That pushing the boat out on gun design. Newsletter?

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 28, 2022 08:26 PM (bgJ0E)

270 One of the easier to apply and remove to front sights is Liquid Paper.

Lasts good enough for multiple range trips but easy to reapply. Keep some in my range bag for touchups.

Posted by: whig at August 28, 2022 08:26 PM (CXr4y)

271 Yeah you say that now, but what were you wearing?

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 28, 2022 08:22 PM (bgJ0E)
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A lavender evening gown with black pumps, you jealous bitch.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 08:24 PM

That's hot.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 28, 2022 08:27 PM (RkC6l)

272 & g'night everybody !

Thanks, Weasel !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - we are being gaslighted 24/365 at August 28, 2022 08:27 PM (+eXoW)

273 Posted by: sock_rat_eez - we are being gaslighted 24/365 at August 28, 2022 08:27 PM (+eXoW)
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Adios, sock!

Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 08:27 PM (CMxlz)

274 Fist lever action Machinegun ever made.

Posted by: DBCooper at August 28, 2022 08:24 PM (y1Mvi)
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Megan Rappinoe endorses?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 08:27 PM (llXky)

275 That's hot.

+1000

Posted by: Sandra Flook at August 28, 2022 08:27 PM (Xrfse)

276 I guess there will be no exotics in texas that use 45 acp?
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at August 28, 2022 08:05 PM

I dunno. Some say nurse and CBD are pretty exotic.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 28, 2022 08:28 PM (a3Q+t)

277 NZ, Sorry, had a drink in my hand.

Posted by: DBCooper at August 28, 2022 08:28 PM (y1Mvi)

278 266 Yeah you say that now, but what were you wearing?

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 28, 2022 08:22 PM (bgJ0E)
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A lavender evening gown with black pumps, you jealous bitch.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 08:24 PM (llXky)

Nice ensemble, I go for the more minimalist approach myself. I am jealous, you minx.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 28, 2022 08:28 PM (bgJ0E)

279 Rebuilt a 7.7 Arisaka as a shooter just so I won't be tempted to take the cherry one out to the range.
Posted by: whig at August 28, 2022 08:22 PM (CXr4y)

Again, very nice whig! You know your stuff and I always look forward to your posts.

I don't think the Japs liked the Type I as it is heavy and it was for their Navy which had not much use for it other than garrison duty on ships, subs and bases. I did read somewhere where a few were used to good use as sniper rifles by some Jap troopers due to their accuracy in the island fighting.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 28, 2022 08:29 PM (R/m4+)

280 See how handy that rule is?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - China is making you buy EVs, read to bottom at August 28, 2022 08:24 PM (Y5s+k)

It is absurdly easy to print a Glock frame. Oh, you still need the metal parts. But the frame, easy peasy.

I have a fairly mainstream,

It does not make the gun that cheap - you are still in for $400 worth of parts. But it IS really a ghost gun.

Posted by: blaster at August 28, 2022 08:29 PM (6TxNR)

281 146
You are at the range. You look to your left and see that the man there, a nodding acquaintance, is shooting a semiauto rifle with a PINK magazine. This means:
- It's October
- it's pre-October (grrrr)

- his eleven-yearold daughter loaded for him
- there were no other colors remaining at the 'Bulk-Me-Up' gunshop

Posted by: Ciampino had a creative endeavor for you at August 28, 2022 08:29 PM (qfLjt)

282 271 Yeah you say that now, but what were you wearing?

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 28, 2022 08:22 PM (bgJ0E)
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A lavender evening gown with black pumps, you jealous bitch.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 08:24 PM

That's hot.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 28, 2022 08:27 PM (RkC6l)
Now say the one about shooting the elephant in your speedo.

Posted by: Eromero at August 28, 2022 08:29 PM (0OP+5)

283 Damn you Pixy!

I was trying to say I have a fairly mainstream LESS THAN $300 3D printer that hasn't (Hi Bob!) printed one, but could.

Posted by: blaster at August 28, 2022 08:30 PM (6TxNR)

284 Apparently its hard to run between stages in high heels.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 28, 2022 08:20 PM

Then try doing it backwards.

Posted by: Ginger Rogers at August 28, 2022 08:31 PM (a3Q+t)

285 Other black powder muskets I'd consider are Spanish miquelet types. [I have a thing for the Wild Geese troops.]

The WSS one with the real miquelet lock:
https://piratefashions.com/products/
late-spanish-musket

Or a Frenchified SYW to AWI era one:
https://veteranarms.com/shop/muskets/
Spanish-Miquelet-Musket-p239802081

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 28, 2022 08:31 PM (yikp0)

286 277 NZ, Sorry, had a drink in my hand.
Posted by: DBCooper at August 28, 2022 08:28 PM (y1Mvi)

No, no don't apologise to me. I'm not worthy.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 28, 2022 08:31 PM (bgJ0E)

287 Weasel

Photo from when I visited the museum at Pensacola.

https://tinyurl.com/2p8uzb8u

In for the foreground on the flight deck is an actual survivor of the Battle of Midway, an SBD-2 Dauntless. Behind it to the left is a Vought SB2U Vindicator, the type saw its last action at Midway. Directly behind the Douglas diver bomber is a cut-away fuselage of a PBY-5 while suspended directly above is another Catalina of the type that found the Midway invasion force.

The P-40 with the shark's mouth was actually a P-40C recovered from Russia and painted in the P-40B markings of a Naval Aviator who flew with the AVG. A J2F Duck is suspended directly above the Dauntless, hence the shadows on that plane.

Other stuff lurking in the photo is a USCG Widgeon, the wing of Japanese N1K2 George, and a Lockheed TV-2 SeaStar, a Navy T-33.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 28, 2022 08:32 PM (q+BW6)

288 Nice ensemble, I go for the more minimalist approach myself. I am jealous, you minx.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 28, 2022 08:28 PM (bgJ0E)
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Don't hate me because I'm beautiful.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 08:32 PM (llXky)

289 Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 28, 2022 08:23 PM (R/m4+)

The SBD Dauntless had two big drawbacks in the eyes of the USN: 1) It had non-folding wings, which severely limited the number of planes a carrier air group could field, and 2) it was SLOW. Max speed clean was 250 mph (Douglas' claims), but when loaded w/ a 1,000 lb. bomb, it couldn't make 150 mph. This wasn't a problem pre-WWII, when the TBD Devastator was the Dauntless' stable mate, but in an era where the SBD was teamed w/ the Hellcat and Avenger, the slow SBD held back the rest of the carrier's strike package, especially the Hellcats.

Posted by: Ed L at August 28, 2022 08:34 PM (/lmRp)

290 Posted by: Anna Puma at August 28, 2022 08:32 PM (q+BW6)
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Thanks! Isn't the museum amazing?

Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 08:34 PM (YhsEx)

291 Yeah you say that now, but what were you wearing?
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2
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A lavender evening gown with black pumps, you jealous bitch.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
Nice ensemble, I go for the more minimalist approach myself. I am jealous, you minx.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2

We have a saying here

ics or it didn't happen.

This has been an exceptionally amusing GT.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 28, 2022 08:35 PM (Y+l9t)

292 DBCooper, So good to see you.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 28, 2022 08:35 PM (P9fkO)

293 I don't think the Japs liked the Type I as it is heavy and it was for their Navy which had not much use for it other than garrison duty on ships, subs and bases. I did read somewhere where a few were used to good use as sniper rifles by some Jap troopers due to their accuracy in the island fighting.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy
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Right back at you, I enjoy reading your range reports of your various rifles especially those from the self loading era. I stuck to accumulating bolt actions as easier to work on and much cheaper at the time to acquire and rebuild. I am also cheap and finding lost or seeing mangled brass at the range flung about by an autoloader always makes me a bit grumpy.

Posted by: whig at August 28, 2022 08:35 PM (CXr4y)

294 Posted by: Anna Puma at August 28, 2022 08:32 PM

Very cool. Thanks.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at August 28, 2022 08:36 PM (Xrfse)

295 it was SLOW. Max speed clean was 250 mph (Douglas' claims), but when loaded w/ a 1,000 lb. bomb, it couldn't make 150 mph. This wasn't a problem pre-WWII, when the TBD Devastator was the Dauntless' stable mate, but in an era where the SBD was teamed w/ the Hellcat and Avenger, the slow SBD held back the rest of the carrier's strike package, especially the Hellcats.
Posted by: Ed L at August 28, 2022 08:34 PM (/lmRp)

Ah, that makes sense. I did not think of the speed factor and group strikes, etc.

Thanks Ed L!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 28, 2022 08:37 PM (R/m4+)

296 We have a saying here, pics or it didn't happen.

This has been an exceptionally amusing GT.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 28, 2022 08:35 PM (Y+l9t)
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This was in the pre-cell phone era.

Sorry to disappoint.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 08:37 PM (llXky)

297 ---
Don't hate me because I'm beautiful.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 08:32 PM (llXky)

*Sobs* I know, I know, trying to stop but you seems to be in my head constantly.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 28, 2022 08:37 PM (bgJ0E)

298 Actually, the backtracking, ducking around barriers and scooting along walls was challenging on its own. Loose gravel, rocks, tree roots. Then there were very specific areas in which you had to shoot. And you couldn't overstep the boundaries. You had to shoot in a certain order and some of the flights had as many as 10 different targets. Most of them were partially covered by a "hostage."

Vary different than standing and plinking. Anyone interested should Go and observe a match. Then see what you think.

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 28, 2022 08:38 PM (U2p+3)

299 SiD - email me re: the grips and I can point you in the right direction.
Posted by: Weasel
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I should dig around and see what I might already have on hand. J's notes on the snubbie say that it's fitted with non-original target grips and a later note says he found the original grips. I have not dug through all the gub stuff yet...

Switching out the S&W model 1917 grips are a higher priority for me right now (along with finding the tool for unloading/loading moon clips). J had found some rubber grips for the 1917 but had not put them on. I tried it myself but so far without success. Maybe I will bring it all to Texas for others to have a look.

Posted by: screaming in digital at August 28, 2022 08:38 PM (pkAcY)

300 243 ...Do weapons get their version of an Amber Alert?
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 28, 2022 08:20 PM (q+BW6)

Oh, you've not experienced the life changing event of being in a unit that loses a "sensitive item." That's not limited to weapons, either. Weapon sights, night vision devices of all kinds, gas masks, radios, crypto fillers, hell, even bayonets, probably. That last one, during my career, ran the gamut of stored in my room in my wall locker to signed out of the arms room like a rifle or mortar.

Someone in another company lost a bayonet in my first mech unit at gunnery. Endless hand-holding searching and training suspended for three days. Previous unit I just left kept them in a foot locker in the platoon CP. Issue time was the PSG tossing "a" bayonet at you through the door. Not "your" bayonet with a number on it (oh, they aren't even serial numbered".

Amber Alert doesn't come close to the pain of a lost sensitive item. A whole installation can get ransacked looking for it.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at August 28, 2022 08:38 PM (8C7+r)

301 285 Other black powder muskets I'd consider are Spanish miquelet types. [I have a thing for the Wild Geese troops.]

The WSS one with the real miquelet lock:
https://piratefashions.com/products/
late-spanish-musket

Or a Frenchified SYW to AWI era one:
https://veteranarms.com/shop/muskets/
Spanish-Miquelet-Musket-p239802081

Posted by: andycanuck
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One thing to watch out for is that the parts come imported from India as non firing replicas (no holes bored for priming or caps into the barrel for example) and the steel may not be so great compared with pricier Italian or US reproductions. You can find a lot about them quality wise from re enactor forums if you want.

Posted by: whig at August 28, 2022 08:39 PM (CXr4y)

302 The P-40 with the shark's mouth was actually a P-40C recovered from Russia and painted in the P-40B markings of a Naval Aviator who flew with the AVG.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 28, 2022 08:32 PM (q+BW6)
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Interesting that the Soviets also had a "volunteer" group in China fighting the Japanese. They pulled many of the pilots out of Spain and flew the I-15 and I-16. Weird seeing those aircraft in Nationalist colors.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 08:39 PM (llXky)

303 It does not make the gun that cheap - you are still in for $400 worth of parts. But it IS really a ghost gun.
Posted by: blaster
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Yep. The "ghost guns" aren't the point. The foot in the door is.

Good article here about the ATF decided a legal gun (a G36 clone) is really a machine gun if you destroy it by smashing the insides together with rare parts no one has and then not firing it to see if it's functional:

"The flip side to that coin, though, is that norms work to stabilize a relationship. And relationships are two-sided. So when one side unilaterally throws out the norms, now both sides of the relationship are destabilized, and therefore suddenly hard to predict. For the past few years, manufacturers (particularly in the pistol brace and 80% receiver industries) have tried hard to play ball with the ATF. With the ATF suddenly signaling that it doesn’t want to play anymore, we’ll see what manufacturers —and customers — do."

https://tinyurl.com/2ehndw56

Posted by: Moron Robbie - China is making you buy EVs, read to bottom at August 28, 2022 08:39 PM (Y5s+k)

304 Posted by: screaming in digital at August 28, 2022 08:38 PM (pkAcY)
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Sounds bueno!

Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 08:39 PM (YhsEx)

305 SBD = Slow But Deadly

Posted by: rhomboid at August 28, 2022 08:40 PM (OTzUX)

306
Amber Alert doesn't come close to the pain of a lost sensitive item. A whole installation can get ransacked looking for it.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at August 28, 2022 08:38 PM (8C7+r)

Now try all that and now add Magpul 30rd 5.56 magazines......

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 28, 2022 08:40 PM (bgJ0E)

307 The EarthRoamer is a VERY nice RV, but it is priced like a Lamborghini.

True enough, the Lambo does not come with a gun safe....

Posted by: blaster at August 28, 2022 08:40 PM (6TxNR)

308 Vary different than standing and plinking. Anyone interested should Go and observe a match. Then see what you think.

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 28, 2022 08:38 PM (U2p+3)
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A low-key version of this is simply integrating moving and shooting into your practice. It only needs to be a few steps and you start to understand how it changes things up.

Obviously some ranges frown on this, but even taking a step or two can give you an idea of how you have to isolate footwork from your upper body.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 08:41 PM (llXky)

309 That last picture is high-larious...

As to the use of competition to hone one's skills to their highest level: there is no experience like stepping on a any stage, with everyone's eyes on you...and just you.

Every sense you have is heightened to a degree that is impossible to duplicate in everyday practice.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at August 28, 2022 08:41 PM (BgMrQ)

310 Yep. The "ghost guns" aren't the point. The foot in the door is.

True. I mean, ATF is calling something that isn't a gun a gun. But that's kind of what they do. An auto-sear is a machine gun in their eyes. I am not defending them. Just saying that this is not some new infringement, its just the old infringement re-applied.

Posted by: blaster at August 28, 2022 08:43 PM (6TxNR)

311 I am also cheap and finding lost or seeing mangled brass at the range flung about by an autoloader always makes me a bit grumpy.
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My nephew with the Aussie SMLE has been saving his .303 brass I saw in his kit-bag although I know he's not into reloading yet.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 28, 2022 08:43 PM (yikp0)

312 Switching out the S&W model 1917 grips are a higher priority for me right now (along with finding the tool for unloading/loading moon clips). J had found some rubber grips for the 1917 but had not put them on. I tried it myself but so far without success. Maybe I will bring it all to Texas for others to have a look.

Posted by: screaming in digital
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SiD, a good gunsmith and Wyoming should have several, can point you toward a custom grip maker that will take drawings of your hands and then turn them into grips that fit your firearm and your hand. Highly recommended if you are shooting an N Frame like the 1917 but also work well for K or J frames as well. Properly fitting grips reduce recoil impact and increase your control of the firearm. In a crude case, you can also buy oversized plasticized grips and file them the down.

Posted by: whig at August 28, 2022 08:43 PM (CXr4y)

313 How to tell a pro 2nd Am versus a Karen-like creature
https://is.gd/U63ZYX
Posted by: Ciampino apologises in advance if he has already posted this but he is 29 at August 28, 2022 07:45 PM (qfLjt)

Heh!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 28, 2022 08:44 PM (oiFlg)

314 The Navy flyers loved their Clunk but SBD came to mean Slow But Deadly.

Even by 1942 the Dauntless was obsolete and its Northrop inspired wing structure meant no Dauntless could ever fold its wings without major redesign. This effectively banned the most beloved dive bomber from the Independence class CVLs because the Dauntless wingspan almost touched both sides of the hanger deck walls and only the Sangamon class CVE carried them for Operation Torch.

The Curtis plane though was cursed by impossible Navy requirements and Curtis mismanagement. But it was supposed to have twice the bomb load of the SBD, greater speed, folding wings, and two of them were supposed to fit with their folded wings on one of the Essex class carrier's main elevators. You can see where the trouble started. And the Son of a B1tch 2nd Class never recovered. It did its job but no one who flew the Dauntless ever liked the Helldiver much less love it.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 28, 2022 08:44 PM (q+BW6)

315 'Nite Horde !

Posted by: JT at August 28, 2022 08:44 PM (T4tVD)

316 Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at August 28, 2022 08:41 PM (BgMrQ)
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It's unfortunate, but that's the very reason most people will never try - performance anxiety or stage fright. If they can just suck it up and do it, a whole new world opens up for them. EVERYONE who is a competitive shooter has had a first match!

Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 08:45 PM (YhsEx)

317 You better make it to Texas!
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice)
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Sharon, there is something afoot that may interfere with my TX plans, but I'm going to do everything I can to get my sorry ass there along with some fun stuff to share.

Posted by: screaming in digital at August 28, 2022 08:46 PM (pkAcY)

318 Also if I had known about that Tommy Built Tactical guy I'm certain I would have bought one of the G36 clones before Biden decided to tank the market and make the dollar worth 50% less. Those things look NICE.

https://tinyurl.com/2pk65rqy

Posted by: Moron Robbie - China is making you buy EVs, read to bottom at August 28, 2022 08:46 PM (Y5s+k)

319 309 That last picture is high-larious...

As to the use of competition to hone one's skills to their highest level: there is no experience like stepping on a any stage, with everyone's eyes on you...and just you.

Every sense you have is heightened to a degree that is impossible to duplicate in everyday practice.
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at August 28, 2022 08:41 PM (BgMrQ)

Can confirm - my ECQC class had lots of single-shooter drills which the rest of the class was watching. I managed not to shoot anyone or embarrass myself (maybe those are the same thing)

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at August 28, 2022 08:47 PM (v23vE)

320 https://tinyurl.com/2pk65rqy
Posted by: Moron Robbie - China is making you buy EVs, read to bottom at August 28, 2022 08:46 PM (Y5s+k)

Oh, MY!

Posted by: blaster at August 28, 2022 08:48 PM (6TxNR)

321 Just saying that this is not some new infringement, its just the old infringement re-applied.
Posted by: blaster

*

Yeah, it's weird how they don't seem to go to any of the states where marijuana is legal and start charging folks with firearm felonies. Because you know there are tons of buyers and owners who use and have pot.

But it's almost like enforcement of existing laws isn't the point.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - China is making you buy EVs, read to bottom at August 28, 2022 08:48 PM (Y5s+k)

322 It's unfortunate, but that's the very reason most people will never try - performance anxiety or stage fright. If they can just suck it up and do it, a whole new world opens up for them. EVERYONE who is a competitive shooter has had a first match!
Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 08:45 PM (YhsEx)

I still get "First Tee" jitters. The difference is I can control them "better".

But to step out into the bright lights after hearing your name called is an unnatural act, and it takes repeated exposures to make it manageable.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at August 28, 2022 08:48 PM (BgMrQ)

323 SiD, if there is anything I can do to help, just let me know. And I'm sure I am not the only one.
Still hoping to get to WY at some point.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 28, 2022 08:48 PM (Y+l9t)

324 *runs back in from Sunday Taco Night *

Boy, lots of new hardware gonna be traveling toTX!
Congrats to all the new owners, especially the Ettes.

Posted by: RI Red at August 28, 2022 08:48 PM (q1ViT)

325 I pinched an amber alert and Johnny said, 'jebus let's go to the wine cellar."

Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 28, 2022 08:49 PM (KD5bY)

326 >>> 278 266 Yeah you say that now, but what were you wearing?

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 28, 2022 08:22 PM (bgJ0E)
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A lavender evening gown with black pumps, you jealous bitch.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 08:24 PM (llXky)

Nice ensemble, I go for the more minimalist approach myself. I am jealous, you minx.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 28, 2022 08:28 PM (bgJ0E)

Mr Lloyd, I think you're obligated to join us at the TX MoMee now.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 28, 2022 08:49 PM (llON8)

327 whig have you thought of the value of using a block of sculpey to get a grip imprint. I have.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 28, 2022 08:49 PM (P9fkO)

328 One thing to watch out for is that the parts come imported from India as non firing replicas (no holes bored for priming or caps into the barrel for example) and the steel may not be so great compared with pricier Italian or US reproductions. You can find a lot about them quality wise from re enactor forums if you want.
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I'd definitely look for a Western maker and do have reenactor friends to help although asking at their forums is a good idea. [And those samples were just for the first few DDG hits especially as they were both sold out.

]

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 28, 2022 08:49 PM (yikp0)

329 EarthRoamer needs a MaDeuce mount.

Posted by: Eromero at August 28, 2022 08:49 PM (0OP+5)

330 ..Switching out the S&W model 1917 grips are a higher priority for me right now (along with finding the tool for unloading/loading moon clips). J had found some rubber grips for the 1917 but had not put them on. I tried it myself but so far without success. Maybe I will bring it all to Texas for others to have a look. Posted by: screaming in digital at August 28, 2022 08:38 PM (pkAcY)

That hard rubber grip for the 1917 will end up being uncomfy, just like the wood grips on your Pre model 10. They're not at all similar to modern Pachymer or Hogue rubber grips, rather, they're hard rubber analogs of the wood grips of the time.

Also, the 1917 is the progenitor of the N-frame Smiths, and none of the K frame grips will properly fit. You'll have to shop N frame specific grips to get it right. That said? A Model 1917 is a righteous collectible, and I'd put in into the look much, shoot little rotation. It'll be at its maximum value with the original wood grips, which if indeed original, are serial number stamped in ink on the inside flat area of both ofthe grip panels. Having those on the gun certainly adds +$100 value.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at August 28, 2022 08:50 PM (tkOps)

331 (along with finding the tool for unloading/loading moon clips)

https://www.instructables.com/Moon-Clip-Loader/

Posted by: Oddbob at August 28, 2022 08:50 PM (nfrXX)

332 EVERYONE who is a competitive shooter has had a first match!
Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 08:45 PM (YhsEx)

Pour moi, every match is my first match. Do not go near my when I am getting into my mental headspace. Too withdrawn and getting into the zone.
My favorite saying while trying to explain competition shooting is
* Shooting is a mental sport, it's chess with kinetics*

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 28, 2022 08:50 PM (bgJ0E)

333 I don't know about those either but realistic terrorist or urban gangbangers [even non-racist white ones!] are definitely forbidden.
Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 28, 2022 08:10 PM (yikp0)

Just use silhouettes of Zaphod Beeblebrox. Not human.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 28, 2022 08:50 PM (oiFlg)

334 As to the use of competition to hone one's skills to their highest level: there is no experience like stepping on a any stage, with everyone's eyes on you...and just you.

Every sense you have is heightened to a degree that is impossible to duplicate in everyday practice.
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at August 28, 2022 08:41 PM (BgMrQ)

A trainer whose name I can't recall talked about "dudes watching dudes" being some of the highest pressure you could get outside of actually being in a fight. I believe he was talking about competition...

Posted by: Dr. Doghouse at August 28, 2022 08:51 PM (hmjvT)

335 Going to put the kids to bed. Y'all have fun and thanks as always, Weasel.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - China is making you buy EVs, read to bottom at August 28, 2022 08:51 PM (Y5s+k)

336 A.H. Lloyd, Chang Kai Shek's best trained army units had been trained by the Germans.

Go figure.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 28, 2022 08:51 PM (q+BW6)

337 Pour moi, every match is my first match. Do not go near my when I am getting into my mental headspace. Too withdrawn and getting into the zone.
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Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 28, 2022 08:50 PM (bgJ0E)

My brother...

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at August 28, 2022 08:51 PM (BgMrQ)

338 My AR-10 build is looking good.

https://bit.ly/3cynADf

20" heavy Ballistic Advantage barrel.
Aero Precision lower.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 28, 2022 08:52 PM (i0wNm)

339
My favorite saying while trying to explain competition shooting is
* Shooting is a mental sport, it's chess with kinetics*
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 28, 2022 08:50 PM (bgJ0E)
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Absolutely correct!

Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 08:53 PM (YhsEx)

340 Burris XTR II 1-8 LPVO

Posted by: bonhomme at August 28, 2022 08:53 PM (i0wNm)

341 Posted by: Moron Robbie - China is making you buy EVs, read to bottom at August 28, 2022 08:51 PM (Y5s+k)
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My pleasure!!

Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 08:54 PM (YhsEx)

342 Thanks whig, I do know of a couple gunsmiths in town. The 1917 is mine (J transferred it to me before he moved out here) so I'd be willing to put more $ into it at some point. Also, I like shooting it even though it's currently a little awkward with the wood grips.

(The snubbie may not be staying with me so I probably won't put much more effort/$ into it until everything is sorted out.)

Posted by: screaming in digital at August 28, 2022 08:56 PM (pkAcY)

343 *Sobs* I know, I know, trying to stop but you seems to be in my head constantly.

*AHEM* So, how 'bout them Cowboys? Think this is gonna be their year? Who wants a beer? I want a beer!

Posted by: Oddbob at August 28, 2022 08:56 PM (nfrXX)

344 Thanks Weasel.
I hear the stack of books on my bedside table calling.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 28, 2022 08:57 PM (Y+l9t)

345 338 My AR-10 build is looking good.

https://bit.ly/3cynADf

20" heavy Ballistic Advantage barrel.
Aero Precision lower.
Posted by: bonhomme at August 28, 2022 08:52 PM (i0wNm)

Indeed! Thanks for sharing.

If you don't mind a build question (or several), how did you get started? What is the first / most important component to select?

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at August 28, 2022 08:57 PM (v23vE)

346 Mr Lloyd, I think you're obligated to join us at the TX MoMee now.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 28, 2022 08:49 PM (llON

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I'd love to, but now simply won't work.

After I retire from the Guard, things open up a bit.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 08:58 PM (llXky)

347
Just use silhouettes of Zaphod Beeblebrox. Not human.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 28, 2022 08:50 PM (oiFlg)

Oh snap!

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 28, 2022 09:00 PM (bgJ0E)

348 But to step out into the bright lights after hearing your name called is an unnatural act, and it takes repeated exposures to make it manageable.
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Pinch-hitting for Pedro Borbon, Manny Mota mota ota ota ta ta aaaa.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 28, 2022 09:00 PM (yikp0)

349 A.H. Lloyd, Chang Kai Shek's best trained army units had been trained by the Germans.

Go figure.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 28, 2022 08:51 PM (q+BW6)
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Don't get me started.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 09:01 PM (llXky)

350 Also, the 1917 is the progenitor of the N-frame Smiths, and none of the K frame grips will properly fit. You'll have to shop N frame specific grips to get it right. That said? A Model 1917 is a righteous collectible, and I'd put in into the look much, shoot little rotation. It'll be at its maximum value with the original wood grips, which if indeed original, are serial number stamped in ink on the inside flat area of both ofthe grip panels. Having those on the gun certainly adds +$100 value.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
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Thanks Jim! My model 1917 is one of the Brazilian ones, which I don't think are as valuable, and to my knowledge I don't have the original grips. It currently has wood target grips.

Posted by: screaming in digital at August 28, 2022 09:01 PM (pkAcY)

351 Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 28, 2022 08:57 PM (Y+l9t)
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Nite!

Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 09:01 PM (CMxlz)

352 *AHEM* So, how 'bout them Cowboys? Think this is gonna be their year? Who wants a beer? I want a beer!

Posted by: Oddbob at August 28, 2022 08:56 PM (nfrXX)
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He can't quit me.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 09:02 PM (llXky)

353 Yep. Had an audience of about 25 guys watching to see if I made my last shot on metal at 150 at the Aspirin Shoot today.
But no coffee, so fewer jitters.

Posted by: RI Red at August 28, 2022 09:03 PM (q1ViT)

354 Apparently there's a 1979 Paul Verhoven movie called Flesh and Blood starring Rutger Hauer.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 28, 2022 09:03 PM (ybIRR)

355 Will someone please remind me to yell at everyone during the rifle clinic at the TXMoMe about participating in competitive shooting? Thank you.

Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 09:03 PM (CMxlz)

356 Ok, pumpkin time! Thanks, Weasel! I'll have something for you soon.

Remember, it is better to look good than to feel good and youuuu...look mahvelous!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 09:04 PM (llXky)

357 Thanks for the pic of the Grumman Avenger up top.

In memory of AMM2 Loyce Deen USNR aboard the Essex. KIA 11/5/44. Buried at sea within his aircraft.

https://youtu.be/0HQwVg-NeJg

This one never fails to tear my guts out but we must never forget any of our shipmates.

Posted by: Tonypete at August 28, 2022 09:04 PM (LsEU/)

358 Just use silhouettes of Zaphod Beeblebrox. Not human.
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I'll have to check. Maybe the law uses "humanoid"?

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 28, 2022 09:05 PM (yikp0)

359 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 09:04 PM (llXky)
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Happy to do it!

Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 09:05 PM (CMxlz)

360 Posted by: whig at August 28, 2022 07:22 PM (CXr4y)

Many years ago (1985) I bought a scope mounting kit from a company named S&K Mfg Co. It allows me to remove the 1917 sight and mount the scope adapter in the sight mounts. No alterations needed. Have original sights on now.

S&K Mfg Co. Pittsfield ,PA.

Posted by: Javems at August 28, 2022 09:05 PM (OqO0g)

361 Weasel, I don’t think you’ll need reminding.
And if you forget, you have some True Believers.

Posted by: RI Red at August 28, 2022 09:05 PM (q1ViT)

362 352 *AHEM* So, how 'bout them Cowboys? Think this is gonna be their year? Who wants a beer? I want a beer!

Posted by: Oddbob at August 28, 2022 08:56 PM (nfrXX)
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He can't quit me.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 28, 2022 09:02 PM (llXky)

Ohhhh you little tramp. I can drop you like a feather duster .

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 28, 2022 09:05 PM (bgJ0E)

363 >If you don't mind a build question (or several), how did you get started? What is the first / most important component to select?

With ar10 there isn't one standard, so you need to research dmps 1 or 2, low or high. I started with a complete aero lower and I found a builder's kit at ballistic advantage. I also ended up buying several tools. I got an AR tool, a torque wrench, a barrel dimple jig, and a carbide bit for dimpling the barrel.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 28, 2022 09:06 PM (i0wNm)

364 Posted by: RI Red at August 28, 2022 09:05 PM (q1ViT)
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Ha! Thanks, bother.

Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 09:06 PM (CMxlz)

365 BROTHER.

Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 09:07 PM (CMxlz)

366 https://www.instructables.com/Moon-Clip-Loader/
Posted by: Oddbob
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thanks Oddbob!

Posted by: screaming in digital at August 28, 2022 09:08 PM (pkAcY)

367 Guys and Gals - since things are winding down, I think I'm going to go find something to eat and crash for the night. Another day of driving tomorrow and I am pooped.

So allow me to thank you all for being here once again. Y'all are the best.
Goodnight!

Posted by: Weasel at August 28, 2022 09:10 PM (CMxlz)

368 Weasel, gladly. Talk to you tomorrow.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 28, 2022 09:10 PM (P9fkO)

369 342 Thanks whig, I do know of a couple gunsmiths in town. The 1917 is mine (J transferred it to me before he moved out here) so I'd be willing to put more $ into it at some point. Also, I like shooting it even though it's currently a little awkward with the wood grips.

(The snubbie may not be staying with me so I probably won't put much more effort/$ into it until everything is sorted out.)

Posted by: screaming in digital
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I've actually had decent luck with ebay as far as grips both repro and original. Eagle Grips, Inc. is an old established grip firm that also has a webpage and sells premium grips at premium prices.

Hogue is one of the slimmer versions around that are rubber and easy to contour to your own hands to some degree (plus cheap so you would not feel bad doing that. Given the 1917 age, you might have to do a bit of trimming or have your gunsmith do it.

Pachmyr grips are in the middle as far as cost, the Combat now named Gripper grips have the thinnest profile, then Decelerator grips, with the Presentation the thickest in profile.

Posted by: whig at August 28, 2022 09:11 PM (CXr4y)

370 {{{Weasel}}}

Real hugs in 50ish days, I hope!

Posted by: screaming in digital at August 28, 2022 09:11 PM (pkAcY)

371 Thanks Mr Weasel. See you in Texas.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 28, 2022 09:11 PM (bgJ0E)

372 Thanks, Oddbob!
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Not related to me but that was a very interesting link.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 28, 2022 09:13 PM (yikp0)

373 Thanks for hosting, Weasel! Drive safe.

Posted by: Ed L at August 28, 2022 09:13 PM (/lmRp)

374 Ha!
Adios and buenos nachos. Yeah, those nachos were good tonight.
And also, one of the most knowledge-packed threads tonight.

Posted by: RI Red at August 28, 2022 09:13 PM (q1ViT)

375 Agree with trip to Pensacola, even if it's farther than 5K miles. You gottsa go.

Posted by: Eromero at August 28, 2022 09:14 PM (0OP+5)

376 363 >If you don't mind a build question (or several), how did you get started? What is the first / most important component to select?

With ar10 there isn't one standard, so you need to research dmps 1 or 2, low or high. I started with a complete aero lower and I found a builder's kit at ballistic advantage. I also ended up buying several tools. I got an AR tool, a torque wrench, a barrel dimple jig, and a carbide bit for dimpling the barrel.
Posted by: bonhomme at August 28, 2022 09:06 PM (i0wNm)

Thanks, bonhomme! Gives me somewhere to start. The build kits I've seen online look super-expensive and not particularly customizable.

The basics of a DIY rifle build are an area into which I've never really ventured -- maybe somebody cough, Weasel could schedule some time to discuss the topic at the TXMoMe.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at August 28, 2022 09:14 PM (v23vE)

377 Rats. Missed the fact that our host was signing out for the night.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at August 28, 2022 09:16 PM (v23vE)

378 Getcha some sleep, Weasel. Now, rather than in cruise at 80mph in the passing lane, tomorrow.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at August 28, 2022 09:16 PM (tkOps)

379 SiD,
May I suggest that you join the S&W (Smith and Wesson forum). They have some really knowledgeable folks there that are always eager to help. Here is a representative grips thread on the 1937 Brazilian Contract model revolver that you believe you have.

https://tinyurl.com/59psumvf

The folks there have helped me out on some oddball models of S&Ws and where to find parts, grips, etc. in the past.

Posted by: whig at August 28, 2022 09:16 PM (CXr4y)

380 Nice to see you too Ben Had!!

Posted by: DBCooper at August 28, 2022 09:21 PM (y1Mvi)

381 Can I say f' Jay Leno? Lantern jawed freak.

Posted by: fd at August 28, 2022 09:25 PM (sn5EN)

382 338 My AR-10 build is looking good.
Posted by: bonhomme at August 28, 2022 08:52 PM (i0wNm)

Very nice!

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at August 28, 2022 09:25 PM (B0rQx)

383 Schnorflepuppy
I would suggest building an AR first to gain a little knowledge because the parts are standardized and the process is similar.

On LR-308's or AR-10s (there is a difference), you have two different makes that are not compatible with each other in some major components--bolt, upper receiver, barrel, and some parts that fit those assemblies. There is a specific AR-10 forum that is pretty helpful to folks wanting a build. The most common and cheapest to build is a LR308 but then as someone said, you have two different upper sizes that are fractionally different. That make a difference on whether the upper matches up with the handguard for sighting or scope purposes if you are free floating the barrel (recommended) but otherwise the parts are similar.

Where people often fall astray is that they try to use AR15 parts that are dimensionally different in an LR308--the bolt catch is different, it is retained by a small allen screw, the ejection port cover is obviously different, and the recoil system requires a 308 calibrated weight and spring in your buffer tube. The bolt, charging handle, barrel/nut/handguard, flash hider, and handguards are not AR15

Posted by: whig at August 28, 2022 09:25 PM (CXr4y)

384 Night Weasel, sleep tight.

Posted by: whig at August 28, 2022 09:26 PM (CXr4y)

385 https://tinyurl.com/59psumvf

The folks there have helped me out on some oddball models of S&Ws and where to find parts, grips, etc. in the past.
Posted by: whig
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will do! I'd set aside the 1917 for awhile since I got stumped by the moon clips but you all have motivated me to figure it out.

Posted by: screaming in digital at August 28, 2022 09:26 PM (pkAcY)

386 I would totally use a 6 gigawatt laser to cook popcorn...

Posted by: sven at August 28, 2022 09:28 PM (Lzpvj)

387 Late to the ever interesting WGT, wading through the content takes time if you try to pay attention.

I will add that Cabelas had a three pack of sight "paint sticks", red, green, and white. A paint stick is not exactly user friendly but it seemed to do the job if I followed the directions (what a concept). Not sure yet about the durability but it did the job for the Buckmark front sights, now I'm thinking I need to do the rear sights in a contrasting color.

As always, thank you Weasel for the effort and care you put into this weekly posting.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at August 28, 2022 09:28 PM (hOUT3)

388 Thank you for the thread, and your kind words, weasel.

*smooch!*

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 28, 2022 09:28 PM (U2p+3)

389 381 Posted by: fd at August 28, 2022 09:25 PM (sn5EN)

No, as I learned last evening we MUST separate the art from the bullshit artists....

Posted by: sven at August 28, 2022 09:28 PM (Lzpvj)

390 Can I say f' Jay Leno? Lantern jawed freak.
Posted by: fd

What did he do to you ?

Posted by: JT at August 28, 2022 09:29 PM (T4tVD)

391 I do want a Hollywood style AR-15 I think....

https://youtu.be/4ApTpgWEPsI

Posted by: sven at August 28, 2022 09:30 PM (Lzpvj)

392 Texas has a law saying you can't ban guns outright from state and local government buildings. There are some exceptions like prisons, courtrooms, public meeting rooms while meeting are taking place, etc., if you are licensed you can carry in the Capital Building even. With constitutional carry they are still working out some kinks. So, I go to a brand new state building and notice a 30.06 and a 30.07 sign posted and I think to myself, they can't do that. Turns out I was right, the sign is no longer there.

Posted by: lin-duh at August 28, 2022 09:31 PM (UUBmN)

393 I really have a good feeling reading how we talk about new gubs like new babies. Heartwarming.

Posted by: Eromero at August 28, 2022 09:31 PM (0OP+5)

394 This one never fails to tear my guts out but we must never forget any of our shipmates.
Posted by: Tonypete at August 28, 2022 09:04 PM (LsEU/)

TP, you might want to post that here on Memorial Day!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at August 28, 2022 09:31 PM (hOUT3)

395
Many years ago (1985) I bought a scope mounting kit from a company named S&K Mfg Co. It allows me to remove the 1917 sight and mount the scope adapter in the sight mounts. No alterations needed. Have original sights on now.

S&K Mfg Co. Pittsfield ,PA.

Posted by: Javems
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S&K is still in business and still making scope mounts that do not require much if any gunsmithing. In the case of the Enfield that I mentioned above, I decided the poor old receiver did not need additional holes in it and set out to find out the matching scope mounts for it. Took about ten years and found the side mount for scope rail from Numrich for the princely sum of 7 bucks. But, it required a scope mount which had to come from England but that scope mount is going to require drilling a hole in it for mounting.

Generally speaking, I don't scope old military warhorses unless the receiver is already tapped because they shoot from 3-5 MOA on average which iron sights are fine to have for that level of precision.

Posted by: whig at August 28, 2022 09:32 PM (CXr4y)

396 He had Biden on his car show to talk about electric cars. I already didn't like the fkr.

Posted by: fd at August 28, 2022 09:32 PM (sn5EN)

397 S&K is a fine company and makes great products btw with a very good rep.

Posted by: whig at August 28, 2022 09:33 PM (CXr4y)

398 393 I really have a good feeling reading how we talk about new gubs like new babies. Heartwarming.

Posted by: Eromero
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I talk about old, sometimes very old guns that way. Something is wrong with me I guess but I generally prefer old than new.

Posted by: whig at August 28, 2022 09:34 PM (CXr4y)

399 396 He had Biden on his car show to talk about electric cars. I already didn't like the fkr.
Posted by: fd at August 28, 2022 09:32 PM (sn5EN)

Sounds like sufficient evidence to me!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at August 28, 2022 09:34 PM (hOUT3)

400 I would totally use a 6 gigawatt laser to cook popcorn...
Posted by: sven

This was the exact reason Ahnulled was looking for a Phased Plasma Rifle in the 40 watt range.

Posted by: Tonypete at August 28, 2022 09:34 PM (LsEU/)

401 Nood ONT.

Posted by: mikeski at August 28, 2022 09:34 PM (P1f+c)

402 396 Posted by: fd at August 28, 2022 09:32 PM (sn5EN)

Notice nobody ever asks, "hey shitpants what are your plans for an 1800 fold increase in battery capacity and a 2100 fold increase in "green power generation?"

Posted by: sven at August 28, 2022 09:36 PM (Lzpvj)

403 Whoa. Early ONT. Maybe MisHum was getting a bit uneasy with the cringe factor here.

Posted by: Oddbob at August 28, 2022 09:36 PM (nfrXX)

404 Posted by: whig at August 28, 2022 09:25 PM (CXr4y)

Many thanks, whig!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at August 28, 2022 09:39 PM (v23vE)

405 will do! I'd set aside the 1917 for awhile since I got stumped by the moon clips but you all have motivated me to figure it out.

Posted by: screaming in digital
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For a shooter, the 1917 Brazilian Contract model was made under peace time conditions and is probably the better revolver for shooting. Enjoy and treasure it. Snubbies are a wee beastie but can be slicked up and use the proper ammo can be pussy cats.

If you want to carry a snubbie for security, Hornady has a light recoiling 38 Special (90 grain XTP) self defense ammo for snubbies and Federal makes Nyclad off and on which is a light recoiling 125 gr 38 Special hollowpoint.

Posted by: whig at August 28, 2022 09:41 PM (CXr4y)

406 Oops! I’m a little late. I guess I’ll get a bad review in my file.

Posted by: Rancherbob at August 28, 2022 09:42 PM (gtu9W)

407 bonhomme at August 28, 2022 08:52 PM
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Nice

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at August 28, 2022 09:43 PM (8E/wP)

408 Posted by: Schnorflepuppy
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If you want, I can walk you through building one but a lot of places already have done that. The build of an LR308 is not much different than an AR15 build--it does require a few different tools specialized for the larger size of the receiver and barrel but the steps are the same.

If you search for step by step building of an AR15, you should get a nice pictorial step by step. Brownells incorporated has videos specifically how to do that or other gunsmithing tasks.

The major different on the LR308/AR10 are the tools, and parts. Parts selection is more limited and picky as mentioned above but some parts like most of the AR15 lower parts kit will fit a 308 as will stocks. It is the parts to complete the upper assembly and tie it to the lower receiver which is wider and longer for the 308 cartridge length that are different.

Posted by: whig at August 28, 2022 09:46 PM (CXr4y)

409 Hi RancherBob! Month and some change, bro.

Posted by: Eromero at August 28, 2022 09:48 PM (0OP+5)

410 If you search for step by step building of an AR15, you should get a nice pictorial step by step. Brownells incorporated has videos specifically how to do that or other gunsmithing tasks.

The major different on the LR308/AR10 are the tools, and parts. Parts selection is more limited and picky as mentioned above but some parts like most of the AR15 lower parts kit will fit a 308 as will stocks. It is the parts to complete the upper assembly and tie it to the lower receiver which is wider and longer for the 308 cartridge length that are different.
Posted by: whig at August 28, 2022 09:46 PM (CXr4y)

Cool. I've been reviewing some of the Brownells content, so I'm happy to see them recommended.

I'll take a look at some more of their build videos and ping questions off of you as they come up. Thanks again!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at August 28, 2022 09:53 PM (v23vE)

411 https://youtu.be/hZmrS_w6s7s

(Lurks)
Posted by: Puddleglum at August 28, 2022 08:21 PM (sAmhv)

Too bad she apparently went off the deep end when she hit 21.

Posted by: Fox2! at August 28, 2022 09:53 PM (qyH+l)

412 I'm just wondering where Cigar Vixen Cuba is hiding her firearm, because I'd really like to see her pull it out. Ahem.

Competition will make you a better shooter. Period. Nothing will focus your attention like having an audience and keeping score. Let me repeat that. Nothing will focus your attention like having an audience and keeping score.

I find that play at a higher level of golf when 50 cents is on the line; competition does heighten your focus.

It's not just true in competitive shooting.

Great gun thread Weasel as usual. I always read this thread, but usually long after it dies due to the nood effect.

Posted by: GnuBreed at August 28, 2022 10:00 PM (JOtiF)

413 I'll take a look at some more of their build videos and ping questions off of you as they come up. Thanks again!
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at August 28, 2022 09:53 PM (v23vE)

I highly recommend the series of videos by Larry Potterfield at MidwayUSA as well as the vids from Brownell's. Larry devotes one video to each build step, usually no more than a minute and a half to three minutes long. Convenient to play them several times in order to get the procedure fixed in your mind.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at August 28, 2022 10:04 PM (B0rQx)

414 Awww....late to the guns.

For the record, did get to the range yesterday with the Nurse. Was adjusting the optic on my XD9, got it zeroed with 124 gr Federal American Eagle (good ammo) and then just had some fun, doing one handed drills and some two handed 10 yard rapid double taps. I really, really loved shooting the XD 9. It relaxes me.

Shooting the Zinc Point 115 gr ammo, I had some light primer strikes. Retry did work. I've had this problem with other pistols, including the Taurus G3C. Other guns (Glock and PSA Dagger) have no problems with it.

Also shot said Dagger a few times just to remind myself how good that $300 pistol is.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at August 28, 2022 10:05 PM (xcxpd)

415 Larry devotes one video to each build step, usually no more than a minute and a half to three minutes long.

Larry has specialized tools for every single pin and part on the whole damn gun. Granted, some are absolutely necessary like the barrel nut wrench, but you really don't need a dozen different punches, pliers, and jigs.

And speaking of specialized tools, ask here if someone has one to loan before you buy something you might only need once.

Posted by: Oddbob at August 28, 2022 10:12 PM (nfrXX)

416 Apparently there's a 1979 Paul Verhoven movie called Flesh and Blood starring Rutger Hauer.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 28, 2022 09:03 PM (ybIRR)

And a frequently nekkid Jennifer Jason Leigh.

Posted by: Fox2! at August 28, 2022 10:26 PM (qyH+l)

417 I was in Florida this time last year, a big part of the reason I was there was to go to the Naval Aviation Museum, but of course it was closed due to covid.
Ironically, I was in Ohio just a few weeks earlier and spent two days at the Air Force Museum.

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