Gun Thread: Mid-August Edition!

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Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

Well we're motoring through August like a hot fork through cotton, now aren't we? I managed to get to the farm for a couple of days to do battle with the weeds and vegetation which I have managed to avoid cutting all year. Frankly, I was a little scairt to get down there to see what the place looks like. Anyhow, two notable accomplishments over the weekend, I managed to a) get stung on my trigger finger by a wasp (ow!) and, 2) break the sickle bar mower by trying to cut down a tree with it.

The finger swole up like a June bug in Arkansas, or about 1.5x normal, and I'm not quite sure what I did to the sickle bar mower other than to prove it's intended for use on hay and not trees. The finger is mostly back to regulation size now, and I'm sure the sickle bar mower can be fixed with some hammering and creative profanity on the next trip. All in all, it was a great weekend!

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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Featured Gun
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I've already seen my guns! How about some of your'n?

Guys and Gals - the featured gun each week does not have to be something from the Weasel Collection. Why not send in a couple pictures of your fav-o-rite gun? Lord knows I'm not professional picture taker, but an un-cropped closeup photo of both sides is fine, and I will handle the sizing and cropping and so forth. If you decide to send something in, please include your nic, even if you have submitted something before. If you would like to remain anonymous, no problemo - just say so.

Muy gracias!!

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Shooting Gear
The shooting gear review continues! This week, I'd like to cover shooting mats and here we are starting to get more into the realm of personal preference. I will go over the kind I like, and the reasons I like it but what you use is ultimately up to you. If you plan to do any amount of prone shooting, and I hope that you do, you're going to need something unless you like laying on the bare ground. For those of you with deep and meaningful attachments to your own personal selections, this is meant as a guide for the guys and gals who might not have already formed an opinion.

Q: Weasel, what is a shooting mat?
A: Allow me to answer that by telling you what a shooting mat is not

A shooting mat is not a mattress. Remember our conversations on wobbly shit? Welp, there is no easier way to be inducted into the Wobbly Shit Hall of Fame than to set up your gear on top of 5 inches of foam. I'll be serious for a minute - I often wonder what people are thinking when they unroll a massive and overstuffed shooting mat that seems designed for sleeping rather than providing a stable shooting platform.

A good shooting mat does not need to cover 750 square feet of ground, unless your size demands it. Something slightly wider than your elbows and long enough to protect your torso is about all you need. Don't believe me? Go to a rifle match and see what the top shooters are using, and you will see what I am talking about. They are relatively thin, maybe 3/8ths of an inch thick at most, and fold or roll up easily without a lot of belts and straps and buckles. Folding mats are preferable to rollups, as they're easier to deploy and seem to take up less space. They are easy to take back and forth to the line with a minimum amount of fuss. They are made of a non-slippery Cordura material that is slightly water resistant, and with your gear on top, the rear bag does not move as the filling is compressed. I cannot over-emphasize this point. NO wobbily shit!

You are not going to spend the night on the firing line, and other than a very basic level of comfort to eliminate distractions, what you need is the simple setup I describe offering minimal protection from the ground for about 20 to 30 minutes. That's it.

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Fun Size Joe demonstrates mat usage

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Weasel Dog looks for treats

What do I use? Well, that's an excellent question, and I wish I could tell you, but the mat I have used for years doesn't have a makers-mark of any kind and I no longer have any idea who made it. It meets all of the criteria though; foldable, good size, rugged material and not overly thick. Consider these points when deciding which type of mat is right for you.

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Kompetition Korner
Our pal RI Red made it to the range for an Aspirin Shoot!

Q: Weasel, what is an aspirin shoot?
A: It's where you try and shoot aspirin pills.

Let's peek in and see how RI Red did.

What it looks like at a 50-yard .22 Aspirin Shoot when your socks are too tight and you are distracted by the Range Babes.
No. 3 is a graze, so 6 out of 10.

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You'd think from my sighters on the red sticker that I'd shift right a hair, but noooo. I didn't until No. 5. Shoulda, woulda, coulda picked up 1 and 3. Don't ask me about Tums at 100 yards.

Not bad, brother!

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Well what do you know?! Killing aspirin isn't the only thing our pal RI Red does! Here he takes a swing at beginners IDPA.

Q: Weasel, what is IDPA?
A: It's a competitive style of shooting which incorporates real-world scenarios with the targets and there is a lot of movement and shooting. IDPA stands for International Defensive Pistol Association , the organization that comes up with the match rules and sanctions the events.


Our club is just getting started on qualifying to hold International Defensive Pistol Association matches. Last week a dozen of us spent a full day on Intro to IDPA.

IDPA is big on safety - no guns loaded until in the start position and given the command by the Safety Officer, no finger on the trigger until actually aimed and shooting, complete muzzle control, staying completely within the physical limits of the course. When shooting a course, any violation can add points to your score, or even disqualify you.

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After several hours of instruction on IDPA, safety, classifications of guns and shooters, procedures, etc., we did shooting drills - drawing without a concealment garment, drawing from concealment, drawing and firing one round and holstering, drawing and firing two rounds and holstering, loading a three round magazine, drawing, firing two, dropping the mag and reloading a fresh mag, continuing to shoot, clearing and showing the empty chamber to the SO, pulling the trigger on the empty chamber and holstering.

All throughout this we were watched and told "Trigger!" or "Muzzle!" if we were close to a violation. By the way, breaking the 180-degree line on either side is a DSQ.

We were instructed on proper draw and holstering so that there was no chance of covering yourself or others. Yep, big time safety. I have a bad habit of reaching over with my left hand to help in holstering - increases the possibility of covering that hand.

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We then were demonstrated IDPA stages that had been set up, two outdoors and one indoors. They explained the scenario - "You are standing in a convenience store with a gallon of milk in your hands when an armed robbery commences. Place the milk on the counter, fire two rounds at the three threats on the left, in tactical priority, without hitting the non-hostile being held by them. Move to the right and shoot around the corner of the wall at the close threat, then the steel pin. Hitting the steel pin releases a threat that swings behind a non-threat. Shoot at least twice. Move to the right and shoot the remaining targets, one of whose head only shows behind a non-threat."

Whew! And of course there are two magazine changes required.

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First up goes to the starting point:

"Range is hot!"

"Shooter, do you understand the course of fire?"

-Shooter mumbles an affirmative.-

"Load and make ready."

-Shooter draws, loads magazine, racks slide, holsters.-

"Stand by"

-a brief wait-

-beeep!-

-shooter completely forgets the course of fire, how to shoot, and why he's here-

-shooter recovers sufficiently enough to shoot the course, with various procedural errors accumulating points-

-shooter completes course-

"If shooter is complete, clear weapon. Slide. Show chamber. Trigger. Holster."

"Range is cold!"

SO and shooter go down range and score targets. Center hit is "Down zero", outside that is "Down one", outside that but still on target is "Down three", a miss or a hit on a non-threat is "Down five". Score is added to time for your final score.

"Tapers, down to the targets."

-everyone goes and tapes targets while making "good-natured comments" about the shooter's skills, eyesight, coordination and IQ.

Takeaways:

Very humbling experience. Shows every shooting error. The pressure of the timer, accurate shooting, and mag changes, adds a huge dimension that simulates how you would react in a real situation. In other words, you are not likely to rise to the occasion, but rather revert to your level of training.

One unexpected benefit - I discovered that my new Kydex holster was pushing against my mag release enough that my mag would fall out on the first shot! After disassembling my Glock and deep cleaning it, only to continue to drop mags, I finally put two and two together, and the instructor confirmed it. D'oh!

Other discovery - sloppy mag changes can create blood blisters on your palm.

Everyone who carries concealed should consider this realistic kind of training. I may just train, but I think I'll compete a bit. Weasel would approve.

Why yes, yes Weasel would approve!! Despite what you might think, this is not easy to do! I have said this a lot, but shooting in friendly competitive matches is some of the very best training you can get. The matches are inexpensive and fun and you get to meet a lot of like-minded people in the process. I strongly encourage you all to find a club match which incorporates your preferred style of shooting and go have some fun!

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Next, our pal Dave in Fla heads back to the range, this time with a bolt rifle!

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This was a lot of fun. This is a 1939 Remington Target Master 510. These were standard military school issue in the 30s and 40s. Many of our troops in WWII and Korea learned to shoot with this rifle.

This one was my dad's, and he won several sharpshooter competitions with it. It sat unused for 50 years until my dad passed, and I inherited the gun.

Target is 16 rounds with it at 20 meters. The iron sights need some adjustment, I needed to aim lower right for the shots that hit the center. But still a super easy rifle to shoot for a single shot bolt action

Very nice, Dave in Fla! Your rifle reminds me a lot of the Savage Model 19 I have, which was also used as a basic marksmanship training rifle, I think. Yours, however, has a great family provenance to go with it. Congratulations and nice shooting!

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Machining Cartridge Brass?
FarmCraft 101 is a YouTube channel I like because the guy works with and repairs with all sorts of neat stuff. I ran across this video where he melts old cartridge brass in a furnace and then machines it and thought you might like it.

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68 Days!
The countdown to the TXMoMe continues! That's right, boys and girls, the TXMoMe is a mere 68 days from today, and by now you should be rushing your MoMe attendance plans to completion. There are lots of big doin's in the works and your hosts Rancher Bob, Cow Horse Queen and Ben Had are ready to welcome YOU to the festivities! Have you signed up? Are you on the exclusive guest list, or are you one of the mentally defective people who always finds a reason to make it next year?

PRO TIP: Word has it there may be some, well let's just call them "special" weapons, available to shoot in Texas. I don't want to go into a bunch of specifics, but if you like shooting at a high cyclic rate, plan on bringing a box of brass case 9mm ball ammo (example) with you to Texas. Please, NO reloads!

Q: Weasel, what the heck is a "high cyclic rate"?
A: Well, it's faster than a low cyclic rate such as that found on semi-automatic weapons.

Q: Weasel, why do I want to do that?
A: Because it is mucho fun-o, and an opportunity that many of you might not have often.

As long as we're on the subject, if you aren't planning to bring a firearm and ammo, but plan on shooting, please pick up a box or two of ammo in the caliber you like and bring it to Texas. Each year we have lots and lots of guns, and even more shooters, and it's nice have the cost and effort needed to source the ammunition spread around a bit. We want to make the shooting available to as many as possible, and cover those who want to shoot but for whatever reason cannot bring ammo, so every little bit helps. Thank you!

Holy Shitballs, people. Have I not implored and cajoled you enough? Do you require additional imploring and cajoling? I challenge you to find a single person who has attended a TXMoMe and not found it to be a life altering experience. Life altering for the good even! So please quit screwing around and making up reasons not to commit and start planning on getting your ass to Texas in October!

You will see this material again, so for heaven's sake, so do yourself a favor and email Ben Had for details!

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Musical Interlude
Weasel is a big fan of Joe Bonamassa. I've seen him live maybe a half dozen times and he always delivers a great show, and this particular band lineup is one of my favorites. Enjoy this scorcher from the Royal Albert Hall.

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Gun Basics 101
Our pal the Equips Herself Gal is back with five tips on carrying a gun every day.

For those of you who have the ammo, the license (if needed) and the skills, please don't leave the gun at home in your sock drawer. You never know when you are going to need to protect yourself, and it'll likely be when you least expect it!

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Cigar of the Week
Our pal and Chief Gun Thread Cigar Correspondent rhomboid brings it with another excellent cigar review. Thanks rhomboid!

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Many mild cigars are considered lacking in flavor, which is a trade-off some except for the mellower experience and (often) lower nicotine content. Here's one where no such trade-off is required - Alec Bradley's Connecticut. I prefer the torpedo vitola (shape/size) in this one, it allows you to easily clip off as much of the cap as you want, which regulates the airflow (called the "draw") to your liking. I don't excel at recognizing or describing specific flavor notes, but this cigar delivers pleasant flavors of sweet wood, and a large amount of mellow creamy smoke. Construction is excellent, meaning a steady even burn. Along with the Joya de Nicaragua Antano Connecticut, which I reviewed here earlier, this is one of my two favorite sticks so far, in about a year of serious sampling and exploration. Highly recommended for anyone looking for mellow, but with flavor."

Excellent review as always, rhomboid! Thank you! I will give these a try.

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This week Cigar Vixen reviews the Punch Gran Puro.

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Link-O-Rama

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***Mail Bag***

This week's mailbag entry is from our pal WTM

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM




Comments

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1 Bam

Posted by: Eromero at August 14, 2022 07:00 PM (0OP+5)

2 Yeah Buddy. Bang!

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at August 14, 2022 07:00 PM (R5lpX)

3 Fire away

Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2022 07:00 PM (k8B25)

4 First! Gub!

Posted by: blaster at August 14, 2022 07:00 PM (6TxNR)

5 Well hell...tried to git fancy and lost out.

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at August 14, 2022 07:01 PM (R5lpX)

6 Here!
With a bullet!
Now, to read.

Posted by: RI Red at August 14, 2022 07:01 PM (lAoHm)

7 Always wondered about making your own brass
Let's see

Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2022 07:02 PM (k8B25)

8 Hello, Weasel and horde!

Posted by: Ed L at August 14, 2022 07:03 PM (/lmRp)

9 Howdy! Gonna be a quick dash in and out But ENJOY!

McGyver, Out

Posted by: McGyver at August 14, 2022 07:05 PM (YbEGd)

10 Posted by: RI Red at August 14, 2022 07:01 PM (lAoHm)
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Read? Heck, you wrote most of it!

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 07:06 PM (0IeYL)

11 Yay gub thread!

Weasel, I sent you an email on Mauser vs Enfield. DELETE IT. I have found factual errors and will send you a revised version at some point with more photos because you love love love the photos.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 07:07 PM (llXky)

12 Howdy Ed L! Howdy McGyver!

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 07:07 PM (0IeYL)

13 Howdy

Posted by: Gref at August 14, 2022 07:07 PM (AMIL/)

14 Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 07:07 PM (llXky)
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Ok.

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 07:07 PM (0IeYL)

15 Just might be able to make the TxMoMe this year. Possibly.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 14, 2022 07:07 PM (RkC6l)

16 No range time this week. Perfect weather until the weekend, and then rain.

Nice and cool though. A preview of fall.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 07:08 PM (llXky)

17
g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at August 14, 2022 07:08 PM (ENBF0)

18 Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 14, 2022 07:07 PM (RkC6l)
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We'll take that as a yes.

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 07:09 PM (0IeYL)

19 Long time lurker, but not normally on the gun post, so apologies if someone’s already answered this question. If I’m looking to add a red dot to my pistol (29 year old eyes), is having someone mill an optics cut worth it, or should I just buy an optics-ready gun?

Posted by: Running Gag at August 14, 2022 07:09 PM (ti5DX)

20 Lots of guy stuff this week. I assisted- some would say enabled - some ettes in the acquisition of things to lose in the pond. The stories will come out I am sure. No spoilers!

But, I will say that the peer pressure that may have been ginned up for a certain ette to purchase a 1911 may Gun back down now.

Posted by: blaster at August 14, 2022 07:09 PM (6TxNR)

21 I'm still smiling from shooting that rifle yesterday.

I think my Dad would approve that his old school rifle is still going strong.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 14, 2022 07:10 PM (5p7BC)

22 Last week I mentioned getting a 10mm pistol but now I've decided what I really need is a Mosin Nagant.

Oh for the days when you could get a crate of 'em for $100! I knew it was a deal but I was flat busted broke. Wearing 2nd hand clothes and driving a 3rd hand car.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 07:10 PM (llXky)

23 We'll take that as a yes.
Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 07:09 PM

Hoping, if things work out right. Need to get myself a good hard airline case for the gubs.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 14, 2022 07:10 PM (RkC6l)

24 Posted by: Running Gag at August 14, 2022 07:09 PM (ti5DX)
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Howdy and welcome, Running Gag! If you stick around for a bit I'm sure you will get lots of advice.

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 07:11 PM (0IeYL)

25 Gin back down. Stupid autocorrect

Posted by: blaster at August 14, 2022 07:11 PM (6TxNR)

26 Sorry about the wasp sting Weasel.

I used to have severe swelling as a kid (but no anaphylactic shock).

I was recently stung by a wasp in my thumb pad and immediately took 3 benadryl. I had much less reaction than usual.

I don't know if it was the meds, growing out of the allergies, or if the reflex of jerking my hand away at the pain only allowed a very small dose of venom.

However, in MY case a wasp sting would probably improve my aim!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 14, 2022 07:11 PM (tkyK5)

27 Long time lurker, but not normally on the gun post, so apologies if someone’s already answered this question. If I’m looking to add a red dot to my pistol (29 year old eyes), is having someone mill an optics cut worth it, or should I just buy an optics-ready gun?

Posted by: Running Gag at August 14, 2022 07:09 PM (ti5DX)
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I depends on how much the smith will charge vs how attached you are to that particular weapon.

One thing to take into account: backup iron sights are a good idea.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 07:11 PM (llXky)

28 Content perused.

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at August 14, 2022 07:12 PM (R5lpX)

29 Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 14, 2022 07:10 PM (RkC6l)
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I've traveled a LOT with Pelican cases and never had an issue. Recommended!

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 07:13 PM (0IeYL)

30 Could we use bulleted points in this thread?
/s

Posted by: Ciampino -- pew pew at August 14, 2022 07:13 PM (qfLjt)

31 Just started my first gun purchase in probably 12 years. Decided on a Beretta 92x RDO Compact, safety/decocker, for an all-arounder for my first 9mm - something I could dip my toe in action sports - falling steel, IDPA - and also develop some carry comfort (recently acquired my MD carry, before the recent SC decision, so beat the rush going on now in MD for carry permits). Still...miss the ease of buying a gun in AZ...ordered what I wanted from a store in Gamber - when the beretta comes in, I go in for the paperwork, 7 day waiting period, etc...

Posted by: MD_Mike at August 14, 2022 07:13 PM (/A6g2)

32 So, Boss. And Rancher Bob, Cow Horse Queen and Ben Had.
I heard a rumor (or am starting one) that She Equips Herself is invited to TXMOME.

Posted by: RI Red at August 14, 2022 07:13 PM (lAoHm)

33 Gubs!
I've been grumpy all afternoon but now I am happy!

Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2022 07:14 PM (anj39)

34 Well thanks Weasel for the brass metallurgy video.
Besides range brass have even more in construction leftovers.

Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2022 07:14 PM (k8B25)

35 A shooting mat? Darn have to add this to the list.

Posted by: Iris at August 14, 2022 07:14 PM (foa6+)

36 Evening all!!

Weasel, it will be a while before I send pics of favorite firearms I own as I only have 2 and you have posted their pictures. :-)

RI Red, loved reading about your experience with IDPA.

Question, do you need a concealed holster or use an open carry holster? I found when I was taking Handgun 102 at the Sig Academy that the holster I had bought was the best especially with my girth. It was meant more for a conceal carry. Drawing from the holster I was able to do but re-holstering involved maneuvering both clothes and flesh. :-)

I wound up acquiring a Comp-Tac holster. Very easy drawing and holstering.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 14, 2022 07:14 PM (fe7in)

37 I have found factual errors and will send you a revised version at some point with more photos because you love love love the photos.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 07:07 PM


Based on your treatment of errors, you are obviously unsuited for a job as a modern journalist. Better stick to your day job and writing good books.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 14, 2022 07:14 PM (tkyK5)

38 Hot fork through cotton?

What?

Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 14, 2022 07:15 PM (5p7BC)

39 Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 14, 2022 07:11 PM (tkyK5)
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Thanks, PI!

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 07:15 PM (0IeYL)

40 RI Red, word of caution: Once the stage has been taped, before allowing another shooter to go down range, the SO needs to go down range and make sure there is no one behind any targets. One scenarios you shot, there's enough cardboard downrange to conceal a person.

There was an incident a few years ago where a stage was started, and someone was still downrange, picking up brass. The video didn't come up when I search youtube, but, trust me, it is out there.

No one got shot during the stage run, but, I think more than a few of the people involved were in need of a change of underwear.

Other than that, welcome to IDPA and great write up!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 14, 2022 07:15 PM (5pTK/)

41 I need to send in a picture of my new Colt Python. i have only shot two boxes of .38 special +p through it and am still getting used to holding an almost 3 pound revolver but I am getting better with it.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 14, 2022 07:15 PM (bVYXr)

42 Posted by: Running Gag at August 14, 2022 07:09 PM (ti5DX)

Based on what I've seen w/ Blaster's experiences w/ modifying an existing handgun for a red dot sight (RDS), you might be better off buying a pistol that can accommodate an RDS right from the start. Increasing the weight on the slide can affect the pistol's function w/ lighter loads (i.e. the slide won't recoil fully, or jam). Having to fire heavier,
or more powerful loads also increases wear and tear on the pistol. Older models might not be designed to properly mount an RDS.

Posted by: Ed L at August 14, 2022 07:17 PM (/lmRp)

43 Based on your treatment of errors, you are obviously unsuited for a job as a modern journalist. Better stick to your day job and writing good books.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 14, 2022 07:14 PM (tkyK5)
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Thanks! The more I learn about guns, the more I realize how little I know. There's just so much out there.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 07:17 PM (llXky)

44 Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 14, 2022 07:15 PM (5p7BC)
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And you call yourself a Floridian!

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 07:18 PM (0IeYL)

45 Also ordered some ammo this week. After last weeks tactical shotguns fun at the range, I needed more slugs.

Ordered 4 boxes of Fiocchi Aero Slugs. Reading that I am wondering why i didn't order some more. But the count was four, and four shall be the count.

And after this week I decided that I was light on .308. So I ordered some.

Posted by: blaster at August 14, 2022 07:18 PM (6TxNR)

46 I just might make the TX MoMe. It just depends if I have any track meets to attend or not. We shall see.

If I do I'll bring my close friends. And the rifle will come with as well.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 14, 2022 07:18 PM (CdZ4i)

47 Hi RI Red!

Very nice job of pulverizing aspirin!

Are you allowed a scope set up that allows you to easily see your misses? Is part of the skill being an excellent shot AND adjusting to correct your misses?

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 14, 2022 07:19 PM (tkyK5)

48 19 Posted by: Running Gag at August 14, 2022 07:09 PM

Welcome to the thread!

I bought my pistol with a red dot already attached. It also came with suppressor high sights. It does not hurt to keep the iron sights as the dot can always fail. Iron sights don't.....usually.

I have also read here on the thread putting a red dot on a gun that normally did not have one can effect the cycling of the slide due to added weight.

All things to consider.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 14, 2022 07:19 PM (fe7in)

49 Thanks! The more I learn about guns, the more I realize how little I know. There's just so much out there.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 07:17 PM (llXky)

Glad I'm not the only one. This is why this is my favorite thread here.

Now that I have got a semi-decent paying stable job I can save up to snag the M18. Hopefully right around Christmas.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 14, 2022 07:20 PM (CdZ4i)

50 15 Just might be able to make the TxMoMe this year. Possibly.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 14, 2022 07:07 PM


If so, you will heartily enjoy the RedMind Moron Horde in a Red State!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 14, 2022 07:21 PM (tkyK5)

51 I've traveled a LOT with Pelican cases and never had an issue. Recommended!
Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 07:13 PM

Thanks. Will explore.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 14, 2022 07:21 PM (RkC6l)

52 Absolutely concur with Rhomboid on the Alec Bradley. A very pleasant smoke.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2022 07:21 PM (anj39)

53 51 I've traveled a LOT with Pelican cases and never had an issue. Recommended!
Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 07:13 PM

Thanks. Will explore.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 14, 2022 07:21 PM (RkC6l)

Ditto. I love my Pelican case.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 14, 2022 07:22 PM (CdZ4i)

54 by the way, I had some range time this last week, and, hopefully, will be out again tomorrow.

I decided to do a Elisjsah Dickens type shoot, and, well, failed miserably, First time through, accuracy was almost non-existent, and, bonus, while I was planning to do a write up, I didn't properly execute, nor did I control for any variables during my runs.

So, I'll try again, and, hopefully, be able to do a proper write-up for the gun thread. (when I do the write up, I'll include my failure this last week)

However, I did make it to the rifle side of the range with my K-31, and, while it took a bit, I managed to get zeroed on a 10" round steel swinger at 100 yards. Great fun to hit it square, watch it move and make noise.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 14, 2022 07:22 PM (5pTK/)

55 If so, you will heartily enjoy the RedMind Moron Horde in a Red State!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 14, 2022 07:21 PM

Haven't been to TX on 4 years. Hope to bring a couple of TX friends with me.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 14, 2022 07:23 PM (RkC6l)

56 32 I heard a rumor (or am starting one) that She Equips Herself is invited to TXMOME.

Posted by: RI Red at August 14, 2022 07:13 PM

I extended an invitation to Kurt Schlicter when I saw him give a speech at the NY Young Republicans Club. But he said he has to be in court around that time. Oh well, I tried.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 14, 2022 07:23 PM (fe7in)

57 38 What?

Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 14, 2022 07:15 PM

Yeah, that caught me to. Wondered if the wasp venom effected more than his boog I mean trigger finger. ;-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 14, 2022 07:25 PM (fe7in)

58 By the way, great job, Weasel.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 14, 2022 07:25 PM (5pTK/)

59 ...is having someone mill an optics cut worth it, or should I just buy an optics-ready gun?

Just one moron's* opinion but if you like the gun you have, go ahead and have it cut. If you decide you don't like the optic, you can fill the cut with a blank. Assuming, as AHL points out, that the cut doesn't require removing the original rear sight.

* hopefully the good kind, but no guarantees

Posted by: Oddbob at August 14, 2022 07:25 PM (nfrXX)

60 Oh yeah...Four weeks since the big quit.

Yeah Buddy.

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at August 14, 2022 07:26 PM (R5lpX)

61 Thanks, Blake. Still learning the drills, but I suspect I’ll go for SO training after shootings some matches. Great interest at the club and we’ll need lots of bodies. So to speak
Scoobs, any kind of holster as long as it can be concealed by a cover garment. I prefer OWB because I’m not entirely comfortable with having a chambered round right next to various parts of my body. But I’ve learned that a Hawaiian shirt can be pulled to the side with One Easy Trick!

Posted by: RI Red at August 14, 2022 07:26 PM (lAoHm)

62 19 Long time lurker, but not normally on the gun post, so apologies if someone’s already answered this question. If I’m looking to add a red dot to my pistol (29 year old eyes), is having someone mill an optics cut worth it, or should I just buy an optics-ready gun?
Posted by: Running Gag at August 14, 2022 07:09 PM (ti5DX)


CH Precision does optics milling of slides of recent production pistols, for under $200. Cheaper than a new gun, if you have a pistol CH works on.

https://tinyurl.com/ypu4khdh

Posted by: Gref at August 14, 2022 07:27 PM (AMIL/)

63 Mentioned this on the book thread but appropriate here: I picked up a copy of Small Arms of the World 9th Edition. This is the 1969 imprint. What's neat is that it has lots of info on WW II weapons and even some details on WW I stuff.

If you're thinking about collecting, it's a very useful resource.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 07:27 PM (llXky)

64 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 14, 2022 07:25 PM (fe7in)
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But "like a June bug in Arkansas" didn't phase you?

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 07:27 PM (0IeYL)

65 Thanks! The more I learn about guns, the more I realize how little I know. There's just so much out there.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 07:17 PM


Dang it, sarcasm on the internet is hard!

I was going for the fact that as you did further research, you discovered that some of your previous writing contained a few errors or needed clarifications for complete accuracy.

Our modern MSM journalists take the opposite approach and deliberate inject errors and ambiguous statements to support the narrative they wish to project - as opposed to the unvarnished truth.

I was attempting to praise you as a counter-example!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 14, 2022 07:28 PM (tkyK5)

66 Yes, while I am championing "optics on all the things" I am going to recommend start with an optics ready piece if you are able. Next best is having a slide milled as that takes weight off that will balance out the added weight of the optic. And then last choice is an adapter plate that replaces the rear sight. That adds weight over and above the optic.

Posted by: blaster at August 14, 2022 07:28 PM (6TxNR)

67 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 14, 2022 07:25 PM (5pTK/)
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Thanks blake!

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 07:28 PM (0IeYL)

68 Weasel is a big fan of Joe Bonamassa. I've seen him live maybe a half dozen times and he always delivers a great show

That makes two of us. I've seen him live twice and he was awesome. Thanks for the gub, Weasel.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at August 14, 2022 07:28 PM (Xrfse)

69 Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 14, 2022 07:15 PM (bVYXr)

Mister Scott, if you picked up one of the new (2020 and later) Colt Pythons, the new Python is reverse compatible w/ the old school Python grips. For me, the Pachmyr rubber grips do help w/ shooting the hotter defense loads in .357 Magnum.

Posted by: Ed L at August 14, 2022 07:29 PM (/lmRp)

70 51 Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 14, 2022 07:21 PM

I purchased a Pelican case that I used to transport my rifle and handgun when I flew to TX for the 2020 MoMe.

The thing is RUGGED. I had no worries submitting it to the baggage handlers.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 14, 2022 07:29 PM (fe7in)

71 It looks like a weasel mat is a type of small dog.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 14, 2022 07:29 PM (yikp0)

72 One of the things I've learned - and what is spurring my Mosin Nagant curiosity in part - is that there are not that many bolt actions out there. Most are based on the Mauser system, and then you have Enfield and Mosin Nagant.

Also interesting: After WW II, firearms experts thought it would be fun to test the various actions to see which was strongest. The winner?

Japan's Arisaka.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 07:29 PM (llXky)

73 Shooting mat:
Crosstac mats are far and away the best mats I’ve ever used. They stand up to heavy use, well thought out and do all that a mat should do.

Posted by: Nevada Dave at August 14, 2022 07:30 PM (3DzQz)

74 Finally took out my relatively recently purchased Glock 42 out for a test drive. Anyone ever use a sight pusher before? I need to make a slight adjustment. Otherwise it was the best compact .380 I've shot thus far.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at August 14, 2022 07:31 PM (27hQX)

75 61 Posted by: RI Red at August 14, 2022 07:26 PM

Thanks!! Yet another reason to get the girth under control.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 14, 2022 07:31 PM (fe7in)

76 Hogmartin and I went to a show, lots of 'pricey' ammo and firearms. We both kinda slobbered over a Bul LTD 9mm 1911 made in Israel. All steel, slide and trigger smooth as buttah. $1,000 asking. All I could hear in my head was 'don't give me no lines and keep your hands to yourself....', and then I though if I'm carrying something that heavy it should be a 1911 .45acp. Hell that's why they make suspenders.

Posted by: Eromero at August 14, 2022 07:31 PM (0OP+5)

77 Okay, so I got tired of looking at the picture of this certain gun every day and went out and bought it yesterday. It is a Kimber 1911 Elite Custom Aegis OI with a Vortex red dot. It was a terrific find because I was able to get it in 9mm. I justified the cost in my own mind by deciding to not put a sight on my Glock and deducting that from the priced. I know, no math.
When I requested the guy behind the counter take off the trigger lock, I got ushered into a private office and got to pull the trigger into a bullet catch. That did it. The trigger pull was fantastic.
to be cont

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 14, 2022 07:31 PM (Y+l9t)

78 Posted by: Notorious BFD at August 14, 2022 07:28 PM (Xrfse)
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*fistbump*

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 07:31 PM (0IeYL)

79 Pillage Idiot, good evening! You can use as big a scope as you can afford. And it’s very humbling to see the bullet arc down range and completely miss in real time. Messes with your head so that you completely forget your corrections.

Posted by: RI Red at August 14, 2022 07:31 PM (lAoHm)

80 Japan's Arisaka.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 07:29 PM (llXky)
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Yeah, I think the late Colonel Jeff Cooper purposely tried to blow up the action on an Arisaka and concluded it wasn't possible.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 14, 2022 07:31 PM (5pTK/)

81 Rummaging through my ammo stash, I found a sealed 50 count bag of .44 Magnum semi-jacketed hollow points that I bought from Georgia Arms about 10 years ago. Price was marked $25.50. I just looked them up, and current price for the exact same is $65.00. Hootchie Mama!!

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at August 14, 2022 07:32 PM (y7NPO)

82 So my son came shooting with me yesterday. And he brought a new toy with him that was amazing. I'm going to have to get a picture of this thing.

It is called a Flex (or was it Flux? Pretty sure it was Flex).

It is a new lower that you attach to a Sig P320 upper. It can then take a 30 round mag, plus has a slot in the front to store a second 30 round magazine, which acts as a second grip.

There is a telescoping butt that extends out the back, and my son has a red dot on the P320 upper.

The end result is something that shoots like a compact AR platform. We were drilling the hearts out of the targets at 25 meters, it is silly accurate.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 14, 2022 07:32 PM (5p7BC)

83 But "like a June bug in Arkansas" didn't phase you?

You've been taking the Dan Rather Folksy Metaphor writer's course, haven't you?

Posted by: Oddbob at August 14, 2022 07:32 PM (nfrXX)

84 Congrats, sharon, on your new purchase!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 14, 2022 07:33 PM (5pTK/)

85 Ever used a yoga mat? That's what I use . May be a touch narrow but does the job.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at August 14, 2022 07:33 PM (27hQX)

86 Borderland university football coach during a TV interview, "Treyvon has made a 360 degree improvement this year." Me yelling at TV: "Reporter, don't interrupt him, just let him keep talking!"

Gun thread relevancy: It is a 360 degree improvement over the other idea I had.

Posted by: Lost In Space at August 14, 2022 07:33 PM (FF+On)

87 Received in the mail: Vortex Viper PST Gen II, 5x20x50, MOA Turrets & Reticle. NIB, managed to score for a full $300 less than the best price from Optics Planet.

Repackaged store display items can be some of the best bargains, ever.

It's going atop the Thomspon-Center Compass (6.5 Creedmoor) that's already a proven sub-MOA rifle with a very limited Nikon 3x9x40 ProStaff 'scope. The Nikon will return to standby duty on the top shelf of the safe.

Will provide pics and range report after I get 'er out to zero-in. Have ordered the correct Vortex rings, zoom throw-lever and flip-up caps. Harris-S bipod going into the mix, as well.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at August 14, 2022 07:33 PM (tkOps)

88 64 But "like a June bug in Arkansas" didn't phase you?

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 07:27 PM

I'm a NY'r, very little phases me. ;-)

Now if you had said "Like a hot fork through cotton candy" it would not have phased me.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 14, 2022 07:33 PM (fe7in)

89 IDPA sounds awesome. Nearest club to me is an hour away unfortunately.

Posted by: quantum mechanic at August 14, 2022 07:34 PM (e+yf1)

90 I was attempting to praise you as a counter-example!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 14, 2022 07:28 PM (tkyK5)
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LOL, I was not thanking you in a sarcastic way, I really meant it.

It's weird how we went from a society where people made mistakes, corrected them and continued to work towards the truth to one where people are proven wrong and they just ignore it.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 07:34 PM (llXky)

91 Posted by: Oddbob at August 14, 2022 07:32 PM (nfrXX)
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I'm pretty folksy!

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 07:34 PM (0IeYL)

92 I bought the gun in VA but they are going to ship it to their MD store no charge and no transfer fee. I probably won;t have it for a bit becaue once it arrives in MD and I fill out the paperwork, I'll then have to wait 7 days. My only complaint is the rough grip. I am looking to replace it with a smooth one. Tryiing to decide between Matte black or faux pearl. It is a very handsome gun and I can't wait to shoot it.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 14, 2022 07:35 PM (Y+l9t)

93 "Also interesting: After WW II, firearms experts thought it would be fun to test the various actions to see which was strongest. The winner? "

I would put my 1903a3 up against almost any early 20th century rifle.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 14, 2022 07:35 PM (voHIS)

94 Posted by: blaster at August 14, 2022 07:18 PM (6TxNR) Where do you get your .308? Cost?

Posted by: Hubcap at August 14, 2022 07:35 PM (SIr8v)

95 Oh, and it's all Blaster's fault.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 14, 2022 07:36 PM (Y+l9t)

96 Joe doing a little Whitesnake. That was new for me.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 14, 2022 07:36 PM (WHt4f)

97 Also, Fun Size Joe is da bomb.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at August 14, 2022 07:36 PM (Xrfse)

98 The other fun aspect of a Mosin Nagant is the epic muzzle flash!

I took a friend out for his first deer hunt, and he wanted to use his Mosin. A doe walked in before legal shooting time in the morning. I made him wait quietly until we hit legal light and he harvested his first doe.

I didn't realize that I would be blind for the next 30 minutes!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 14, 2022 07:36 PM (tkyK5)

99
I'm a NY'r, very little phases me. ;-)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 14, 2022 07:33 PM (fe7in)
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So THAT'S what is wrong with you!

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 07:36 PM (0IeYL)

100 Place the milk on the counter,
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There should be extra points for completing the course holding the milk carton the whole time.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 14, 2022 07:37 PM (yikp0)

101 Oh, important. If you bought a Heritage Rough Rider in June or July and have not yet sent in for your $20 rebate, do it now! Go to the website and do the form and mail it in (along with a copy of sales receipt and original UPC code from the box). It has to be postmarked by August 15 (tomorrow!) so do it now!

Posted by: blaster at August 14, 2022 07:37 PM (6TxNR)

102 Yeah, I think the late Colonel Jeff Cooper purposely tried to blow up the action on an Arisaka and concluded it wasn't possible.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 14, 2022 07:31 PM (5pTK/)
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The pressure loads I've seen mentioned make me think they just packed a casing with C4 to do the job.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 07:37 PM (llXky)

103 Re: Pelican

Not the only way to go but best; I have 4 different ones, 3 for weapons. The first was from my NCOIC IDMT for taking med equipment TDY. It now serves a different purpose, but 25 years later any many trips around the world is very safe and secure. It’s also huge.

Re: carrying every day

If you never change your oil or get your brakes inspected
Never wear a safety belt
Never change batteries in smoke detectors
Never check expiration date on milk
Etc.

You might be able to feel justified in questioning why someone able and willing would be carrying self defense every day, but everyone else would know you’re just an adult version of Goofus. I prefer Gallant myself…

Posted by: epador at August 14, 2022 07:38 PM (h8s0C)

104 I was just going to lurk tonight while rifling through the ammo stash that I totally don't have - looking for some particular ammo recommended by Ed L and Jim for my snubbie - but I have to thank RI Red for the wonderfully detailed description of an IDPA competition. Wow!

Posted by: screaming in digital at August 14, 2022 07:38 PM (pkAcY)

105 Posted by: Notorious BFD at August 14, 2022 07:36 PM (Xrfse)
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He's my little buddy!

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 07:38 PM (0IeYL)

106 There should be extra points for completing the course holding the milk carton the whole time.
Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 14, 2022 07:37 PM (yikp0)
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I've run an IDPA scenario with one hand tethered to a zip line kind of deal. But, having to move something with one while shooting isn't uncommon in IDPA.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 14, 2022 07:38 PM (5pTK/)

107 72 One of the things I've learned - and what is spurring my Mosin Nagant curiosity in part - is that there are not that many bolt actions out there. Most are based on the Mauser system, and then you have Enfield and Mosin Nagant.
Also interesting: After WW II, firearms experts thought it would be fun to test the various actions to see which was strongest. The winner?
Japan's Arisaka.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 07:29 PM (llXky)
My Mosin Nagant is a M44 which is the tanker variant shorter but still with the folding bayonet which will cut the living snot out of your finger. But it does kick like a mule so it's not without charm. Traded off an Arisaka a long time ago, miss it.

Posted by: Eromero at August 14, 2022 07:38 PM (0OP+5)

108 I have a Heritage Rough Rider convertible, but I've had it for over 20 years.

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at August 14, 2022 07:39 PM (R5lpX)

109 Our pal RI Red made it to the range for an Aspirin Shoot!

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Guns and drugs don't mix!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I Survived the Mar-A-Lago Raid at August 14, 2022 07:39 PM (FVME7)

110 Fun size Joe and Weasel Dog are cute!

That Aspirin Shoot looks liked a load of fun RI Red!

Nice old skool Remington Dave in Fla.

Punch cigars used to be my favorite back in the day. They always have made quality smokes.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 14, 2022 07:39 PM (R/m4+)

111 Used my CZ 75b for my CCW renewal. It works good.

Posted by: Lost In Space at August 14, 2022 07:39 PM (FF+On)

112 It is a Kimber 1911 Elite Custom Aegis OI with a Vortex red dot. It was a terrific find because I was able to get it in 9mm.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 14, 2022 07:31 PM


Nice, and congrats!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 14, 2022 07:39 PM (tkyK5)

113 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 14, 2022 07:22 PM (5pTK/)

Indoor ranges limit me to 20 yards. My first go using .357 Magnum out of a 2021 Colt Python w/ a 4.25" barrel (best case scenario handgun, yes) on an IPSC target was miserable (2 hits in Delta zone, 4 misses on paper). But by my last go at the end of a box of ammo, I managed to get 4 Alpha zone hits and 2 Charlie zone hits. All shots were fired in double action. The real challenge for me is to try the same thing, but w/ a 2" snubbie like an old school Colt Detective Special or the new Colt Cobra. Previously, I pushed out to 15 yards max and choked big time, usually getting one Delta zone hit at best out of six rounds fired.

Posted by: Ed L at August 14, 2022 07:40 PM (/lmRp)

114 I would put my 1903a3 up against almost any early 20th century rifle.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 14, 2022 07:35 PM (voHIS)
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Well, it lost against the Arisaka. That was one of the competitors.

To be honest, the Springfield is just an American Mauser action.

Apparently so is the Arisaka, it's just an epic Japanese version of it. Japan has a long history of product improvement. The more I researched China, the more I became an admirer of Japan.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 07:40 PM (llXky)

115 I purchased a relativly inexpensive shooting mat from Midway. Have only really used it at the 2021 TXMoMe.

But by the way it is constructed I think it will last a long time.

Once again I have a problem using it. Weasel talks about not wanting things that go wobbily, I have a natural pivot point when I lie on my stomach. ;-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 14, 2022 07:41 PM (fe7in)

116 Last week I mentioned getting a 10mm pistol but now I've decided what I really need is a Mosin Nagant.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 07:10 PM


These are mere distractions from what you really want. We both know it.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 14, 2022 07:42 PM (a3Q+t)

117 The other fun aspect of a Mosin Nagant is the epic muzzle flash!

I took a friend out for his first deer hunt, and he wanted to use his Mosin. A doe walked in before legal shooting time in the morning. I made him wait quietly until we hit legal light and he harvested his first doe.

I didn't realize that I would be blind for the next 30 minutes!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 14, 2022 07:36 PM


I had a mosin nagant M44 carbine that I used to shoot. They banned it from the range I shot at because of the deafening muzzle blast. The muzzle blast was epic and you had no idea what was happening when you were shooting it. I was shooting away with it and my buddy came up and said I needed to stop because people were leaving the range because of it.


Some cops came up from the pistol range and asked if I was shooting a .50 cal BMG which was illegal to shoot at the range.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 14, 2022 07:42 PM (bVYXr)

118 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 14, 2022 07:41 PM (fe7in)
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Try bringing up and bending your rifle-side knee.

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 07:43 PM (0IeYL)

119 t is a Kimber 1911 Elite Custom Aegis OI with a Vortex red dot. It was a terrific find because I was able to get it in 9mm.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 14, 2022 07:31 PM

Does that come with the flat trigger?

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at August 14, 2022 07:43 PM (27hQX)

120 Semi gun related. At least it demonstrates the need for guns.

Have you seen the absolute fiery slaughter happening this weekend at the very secure US-Mexico border?

https://bit.ly/3STVKSy

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I Survived the Mar-A-Lago Raid at August 14, 2022 07:43 PM (FVME7)

121 Pelican Cases. For the shooter on a budget, Harbor Freight sells a *very* serviceable imitation thereof, which tend to come in at about 1/2 the price of the Genuine Article. Got one for my Razor spotting scope, and have found no fault with it thus far.

Anyway, what will those aspirin tablet take for the headache that R.I. Red gave 'em? Good shootin', Red!


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at August 14, 2022 07:44 PM (tkOps)

122 99 So THAT'S what is wrong with you!

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 07:36 PM

Yep!!! Hoping a few days in Texas will cure what ails me. :-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 14, 2022 07:44 PM (fe7in)

123 These are mere distractions from what you really want. We both know it.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 14, 2022 07:42 PM (a3Q+t)
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A gold tiger-stripe Desert Eagle?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 07:44 PM (llXky)

124 66 Yes, while I am championing "optics on all the things" I am going to recommend start with an optics ready piece if you are able. Next best is having a slide milled as that takes weight off that will balance out the added weight of the optic. And then last choice is an adapter plate that replaces the rear sight. That adds weight over and above the optic.

Posted by: blaster at August 14, 2022 07:28 PM (6TxNR)


The weight of a Holosun 507c is 1.5 ounces, less than a tenth of a pound. Most other pistol-intended optics are probably near that weight.

I do not know how much force margin designers put into standard pistol recoil springs. 1.5 ounces/0.094 pounds may not affect operation at all. Only one way to find out for sure. The InterWebz probably has info in forums about what worked and did not for other gunners.

Wolff makes different weight recoil springs for a lot of pistols. You can try a different weight spring if your pistol won't cycle with the added optic and maybe adapter plate.

Posted by: Gref at August 14, 2022 07:44 PM (AMIL/)

125 Never forget, that anyone that wears a badge, has already determined that they have a right to be armed, and the right to disarm you - a BLATANT act of aggression. They do this while claiming to "protect" you. They call this "consent of the governed," whether you actually do or not.

Calling things by their proper names.

Posted by: Ridge Monkey at August 14, 2022 07:44 PM (zeA2f)

126 79 Pillage Idiot, good evening! You can use as big a scope as you can afford. And it’s very humbling to see the bullet arc down range and completely miss in real time. Messes with your head so that you completely forget your corrections.

Posted by: RI Red at August 14, 2022 07:31 PM


I believe the rule concerning ballistic objects (golf balls, baseballs, bullets, etc.) observed in real time is that you are supposed to use body english to affect the flight.

Think Carlton Fisk in Game 6 of the '75 World Series, making sure that his homer did not hook in front of the foul pole!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 14, 2022 07:44 PM (tkyK5)

127 Some cops came up from the pistol range and asked if I was shooting a .50 cal BMG which was illegal to shoot at the range.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 14, 2022 07:42 PM (bVYXr)
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Way back when, I ran some shooters at matches who were using muzzle brakes on their AR's. I quickly learned to stay directly behind them, because off to the side was punishing.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 14, 2022 07:45 PM (5pTK/)

128 Bye Horde!

Thanks for the gun thread, Weasel.

(Gotta run to family dinner.)

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 14, 2022 07:45 PM (tkyK5)

129 Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 14, 2022 07:45 PM (tkyK5)
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Adios, amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 07:46 PM (0IeYL)

130 121 Pelican Cases. For the shooter on a budget, Harbor Freight sells a *very* serviceable imitation thereof, which tend to come in at about 1/2 the price of the Genuine Article. Got one for my Razor spotting scope, and have found no fault with it thus far.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at August 14, 2022 07:44 PM (tkOps)
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Interesting. I don't have one of their cases, but I have lots of their metal ammo cans when they go on sale.

Posted by: Colonel Travis at August 14, 2022 07:46 PM (Cgo1x)

131 ...I have a natural pivot point when I lie on my stomach.

I sympathize. If you shoot prone with your legs out behind you in a "Y" shape and both feet pointing out, you might try rolling slightly up on your left side (assuming right-handed, reverse if not) and bringing your right knee forward into a sort of "4" shape with both feet pointing right. This will take some pressure off your chest and belly.

Posted by: Oddbob at August 14, 2022 07:47 PM (nfrXX)

132 Why are there guys with little blue helmets in my driveway......

Posted by: Jonah at August 14, 2022 07:47 PM (WY8d2)

133 118 Try bringing up and bending your rifle-side knee.

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 07:43 PM

Will give it a whirl when I am down there in October. Can't wait!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 14, 2022 07:47 PM (fe7in)

134 Here's a joke my mother just told me

A blind guy is drinking at the bar and making small talk with the guy next him when he said Hey! I have a funny Blond joke, want to hear it? The guy next to him at the bar said Well, I think you should know that the bartender and the bouncer are blond, and I'm six foot six and a former boxer, and next to me is a 300lb former professional wrestler, and on the other side of him is a 275lb retired NFL linebacker, and we are all blonds, so, do you still want to tell the joke?

The blind man sat a minute and then said I guess not, I don't want to have to explain the joke five times.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 14, 2022 07:47 PM (61cfN)

135 116 These are mere distractions from what you really want. We both know it.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 14, 2022 07:42 PM

A GLOCK!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 14, 2022 07:48 PM (fe7in)

136 Why are there guys with little blue helmets in my driveway......

Posted by: Jonah at August 14, 2022 07:47 PM (WY8d2)
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Who keeps emptying my whiskey glass? I just refilled it a minute ago!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 07:48 PM (llXky)

137 @94 Palmetto State Armory has a special (good for today at least) 120 rounds in a plastic ammo box for 89. So 75 cents a round. Well $12 shipping. The shipping for additional boxes goes down.

Posted by: blaster at August 14, 2022 07:48 PM (6TxNR)

138 Shooting mats: The "shooting mat" I've used most often is the GI sleeping mat. No, it doesn't exactly meet all of the criteria Weasel gives, but it was better to improvise with it because it was readily available. It makes shooting from the prone position on the sharp gravel the Army likes to use on its rifle ranges a bit more tolerable.

Posted by: Ed L at August 14, 2022 07:48 PM (/lmRp)

139 Did Joe Bonomassa ever get to jam with Les Paul? I loved watching Les Paul with some of these guys on the yoo toobz, jamming and chatting. I remember Slash being painfully shy.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, it's pronounced Muh-Hone at August 14, 2022 07:48 PM (x8Wzq)

140 So Jeremy Linton, signed the warrant. She was the blonde bimbo at the FBI who gives Wray his noon blow job, and was a Jan 6th witness.

Posted by: Jonah at August 14, 2022 07:48 PM (WY8d2)

141 Guns!

Happy August!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at August 14, 2022 07:49 PM (xcxpd)

142 So,
I was privileged to go out to the woods with my two shooting buddies yesterday.

LazyMessenger and MAE.

LazyMessenger brought a 50 cal. It was loud. It made big holes in things.

We also wanted to test out how we would do with a pistol at 40 yards on a silhouette target. We timed. 10 shots 15 seconds from a draw.

The boys went 10/10. I was 8/10. Super fun.

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 14, 2022 07:49 PM (U2p+3)

143 Shooting mats: The "shooting mat" I've used most often is the GI sleeping mat. No, it doesn't exactly meet all of the criteria Weasel gives, but it was better to improvise with it because it was readily available. It makes shooting from the prone position on the sharp gravel the Army likes to use on its rifle ranges a bit more tolerable.

Posted by: Ed L at August 14, 2022 07:48 PM (/lmRp)
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Wait, there are other options?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 07:50 PM (llXky)

144 Jokes, huh?

What's the difference between a rifle and a Social Justice Warrior?


A rifle has only one trigger.

Posted by: Gref at August 14, 2022 07:51 PM (AMIL/)

145 What was the first thing the Cubans did in Red Dawn. Visited the local gun shop to get the owner lists

Posted by: Jonah at August 14, 2022 07:51 PM (WY8d2)

146 wow, great shootin', nurse, LazyMessenger, and MAE!

Posted by: screaming in digital at August 14, 2022 07:51 PM (pkAcY)

147 So, got out into the Sultan Basin woods yesterday with Nurse and Lazy Messenger. There were blackberries. Blackberries fucking suck.

But the woods allowed us to do some Dicken drills (40 yards, 15 rounds

I'll let Nurse and LM tell their own tale but....the Dicken drill IS doable, even with iron sights. (it's easier with red dot and calming down a bit)

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at August 14, 2022 07:51 PM (xcxpd)

148 Semi gun related. At least it demonstrates the need for guns. Have you seen the absolute fiery slaughter happening this weekend at the very secure US-Mexico border?

https://bit.ly/3STVKSy

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

The cartels have been on murderous rampage all over Mexico. I found this story in Cuidad Juarez's El Diario online newspaper. It should automatically load an English version, except now because I said this.

https://tinyurl.com/bdzc4yyw

Posted by: Lost In Space at August 14, 2022 07:51 PM (FF+On)

149 What was the first thing the Cubans did in Red Dawn. Visited the local gun shop to get the owner lists

Posted by: Jonah at August 14, 2022 07:51 PM (WY8d2)
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That was the second thing. The first thing they did was shoot up the school.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 07:52 PM (llXky)

150 Iran puts a hit out on Rushdie on Us Soil. WTF was the New American KGB?

Posted by: Jonah at August 14, 2022 07:52 PM (WY8d2)

151 WEASELRINES!

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 07:52 PM (0IeYL)

152 In the woods, also did some AR 15 shooting at 40 yards and got to play with Lazy Messnger's 50 BMG Barrett. Is very heavy and very interesting design. I am less inclined to believe Tengen Toppen Gurren Laagen after hand holding and shooting said Barret. Fucking gun is heavy. And noisy. And very cool.

Also, again, very impressed with the PSA Dagger. Buy one

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at August 14, 2022 07:53 PM (xcxpd)

153 147 the Dicken drill IS doable, even with iron sights. (it's easier with red dot and calming down a bit)

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at August 14, 2022 07:51 PM

Did he not also brace himself against a column in the food court?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 14, 2022 07:53 PM (fe7in)

154 149. Touche

Posted by: Jonah at August 14, 2022 07:53 PM (WY8d2)

155 Also, Joe Bonamassa is way better than Jimmy Page. Overrated muthafucka. I will allow that Page is a helluva good acoustic guitarist.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, it's pronounced Muh-Hone at August 14, 2022 07:53 PM (x8Wzq)

156 Shooting mats?
Phashaw!
Y'all gotta lay in an inch deep puddle of cold Ft Lewis rain water like I did.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2022 07:53 PM (anj39)

157 149 What was the first thing the Cubans did in Red Dawn. Visited the local gun shop to get the owner lists

Posted by: Jonah at August 14, 2022 07:51 PM (WY8d2)
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That was the second thing. The first thing they did was shoot up the school.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 07:52 PM (llXky)

Third thing. First thing was to land.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at August 14, 2022 07:53 PM (xcxpd)

158 Hello Weasel and gub 'ettes and 'rons - happy Sunday evening.

No range report this week - well, that's not specifically true, I have a heckuva story but it will have to wait for (a) me to write and illustrate it, and (b) Weasel's RR queue to empty out such that the likes of li'l ol' me is at the front of the line.

Nice work on both the aspirin and IDPA course, RI Red!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at August 14, 2022 07:53 PM (v23vE)

159 The cartels have been on murderous rampage all over Mexico. I found this story in Cuidad Juarez's El Diario online newspaper. It should automatically load an English version, except now because I said this.

https://tinyurl.com/bdzc4yyw
Posted by: Lost In Space at August 14, 2022 07:51 PM (FF+On)
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Shockingly, our governor, Ducy, is moving to fill gaps in the border wall with shipping containers. According to what I read, Ducey welcomes the Federal Government suing AZ for doing the job the feds won't.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 14, 2022 07:54 PM (5pTK/)

160 And, Joe Bonamassa is fucking hella cool name.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, it's pronounced Muh-Hone at August 14, 2022 07:54 PM (x8Wzq)

161 the Dicken drill IS doable, even with iron sights. (it's easier with red dot and calming down a bit)

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at August 14, 2022 07:51 PM

Did he not also brace himself against a column in the food court?
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 14, 2022 07:53 PM (fe7in)

He did. We didn't have any trees suitable for bracing so we shot offhand, drawing from holster.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at August 14, 2022 07:54 PM (xcxpd)

162 Third thing. First thing was to land.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at August 14, 2022 07:53 PM (xcxpd)
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Fourth. Jumped first.

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 07:54 PM (0IeYL)

163 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 07:50 PM (llXky)

Sure. As long as you were willing to take the ass-chewing the range NCO in charge would give about bringing "non-standard" equipment to his range.

Posted by: Ed L at August 14, 2022 07:54 PM (/lmRp)

164 Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at August 14, 2022 07:53 PM (v23vE)
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Howdy, S'puppy!

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 07:55 PM (0IeYL)

165 92. that is your problem sharon? Just owning even a legal gun in CCCP Maryland is your biggest worry. sorry not trying to be a smart ass

Posted by: Jonah at August 14, 2022 07:56 PM (WY8d2)

166 Well, time to wander.

Later!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 14, 2022 07:56 PM (5pTK/)

167 Third thing. First thing was to land.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at August 14, 2022 07:53 PM (xcxpd)
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John Milius drove his point home with a jackhammer in that film.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 07:56 PM (llXky)

168 Just back from a date with Bubba Burgers. Mm-mm!

Posted by: RI Red at August 14, 2022 07:56 PM (lAoHm)

169 Guns!

Happy August!
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Posted by: 1914 at August 14, 2022 07:56 PM (yikp0)

170 Had an arisaka once. Restored and refurbished by a competent gunsmith. Dude was feeding us 7.62 cartridges. These things were spiraling down the rifling.
Mangled a few animals with it. Got rid if it before we realized what this guy was doing.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 14, 2022 07:56 PM (WHt4f)

171 Adios, blake!

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 07:56 PM (0IeYL)

172 Fourth. Jumped first.

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 07:54 PM

Fifth. Got on the planes.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 14, 2022 07:57 PM (fe7in)

173 Thank you for the thread, weasel. I'm glad your hand is better!
IDPA next weekend. Erf. I hope I dont chicken out again....

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 14, 2022 07:57 PM (U2p+3)

174 Red Dawn 2 The FBI invades

Posted by: Jonah at August 14, 2022 07:57 PM (WY8d2)

175 Posted by: blaster at August 14, 2022 07:48 PM (6TxNR) I thought so. Was hoping someone else had a better sale. Thanks.

Posted by: Hubcap at August 14, 2022 07:57 PM (S+ppt)

176 The Gun Threads of August

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 07:57 PM (llXky)

177 Agreed

Posted by: Jonah at August 14, 2022 07:58 PM (WY8d2)

178 Well heck. If I have to shoot prone it may take the rest of the morning to get up.

Posted by: Javems at August 14, 2022 07:58 PM (QqL7x)

179 God what a day, I need to figure out how to write about the trials and travails of a group of displaced citizens attempting to flee to a national capital.....

Posted by: sven at August 14, 2022 07:58 PM (Lzpvj)

180 Fifth. Got on the planes.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 14, 2022 07:57 PM (fe7in)
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That must have been in the director's cut. I don't recall that scene.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 07:58 PM (llXky)

181 Posted by: nurse ratched at August 14, 2022 07:57 PM (U2p+3)
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GO!! Go with the winged feet of Mercury!

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 07:59 PM (0IeYL)

182 I saw a dude open-carrying a Glock with an extended mag. While I appreciate the desire for the additional ammo, I didn't see the point. Just carry an extra mag, especially if you are open carrying anyway.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 14, 2022 07:59 PM (CdZ4i)

183 Red Dawn 2 The FBI invades

Posted by: Jonah at August 14, 2022 07:57 PM (WY8d2)
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Red Dawn 2: Gunfire Boogaloo

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 07:59 PM (llXky)

184 130 121 Pelican Cases. For the shooter on a budget, Harbor Freight sells a *very* serviceable imitation thereof, which tend to come in at about 1/2 the price of the Genuine Article. Got one for my Razor spotting scope, and have found no fault with it thus far.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
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Interesting. I don't have one of their cases, but I have lots of their metal ammo cans when they go on sale.
Posted by: Colonel Travis at August 14, 2022 07:46 PM (Cgo1x)
I have a 20"X18"X8" deep Pelican box I gave $25 for. I have to fit it with foam and figure I can put 3 layers of handguns in it.

Posted by: Eromero at August 14, 2022 07:59 PM (0OP+5)

185 WEASELRINES!
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Avenge me!!!

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 14, 2022 07:59 PM (yikp0)

186 Shooting mats...I don't have a dedicated too. But I do have a yoga mat in my backpacking gear. Figure that will do. If not, I have a wubba.

We ended up using some unused cardboard targets. Imperfect but it worked

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at August 14, 2022 07:59 PM (xcxpd)

187 on the shooting front, I am going to take my winchester 97 out to play "ring the bell" after I get in from the field.

Posted by: sven at August 14, 2022 07:59 PM (Lzpvj)

188 107 72 One of the things I've learned - and what is spurring my Mosin Nagant curiosity in part - is that there are not that many bolt actions out there. Most are based on the Mauser system, and then you have Enfield and Mosin Nagant.
Also interesting: After WW II, firearms experts thought it would be fun to test the various actions to see which was strongest. The winner? Japan's Arisaka.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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The T38 in 6.5 was the strongest and the T99 in 7.7 was second. The 6.5 Japanese cartridge is semi rimmed and the receiver ring hoop strength is a bit more due to the smaller cartridge. The issue with the 03A3 is not the steel which is fine but the fact that Mauser designs do not support and surround the casehead (except for the Yugo Mausers). There is also the leftover Krag two piece firing pin in the 03 that should have really been ditched but was kept to get around Mauser patents (not successful). So, effectively, the case strength of brass is a limit that you really do not want to exceed or even approach in a Mauser or Mauser derivative including the 03

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2022 08:00 PM (CXr4y)

189 Also interesting: After WW II, firearms experts thought it would be fun to test the various actions to see which was strongest. The winner?
Japan's Arisaka.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 07:29 PM (llXky)

Concur. Plus the recoil is very mild as the Japs were a little ahead of the curve with their 6.5 round in the Type 30 and 38 rifles. Very flat shooting.

The 6.5 Jap was what Federov ended up using in his Avtomat back in the day. Considered to be the grand daddy of "assault" rifles.

The Type 99, which came later in 7.7 Jap, is more like our 1903 Springfield and kicks like a mule.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 14, 2022 08:00 PM (R/m4+)

190 50 cal makes big BOOM.

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 14, 2022 08:01 PM (U2p+3)

191 WEASELRINES!
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Avenge me!!!
Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 14, 2022 07:59 PM (yikp0)
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Hhhhmmmm...
The 42nd street militia may have a new name.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2022 08:01 PM (anj39)

192 No range time for me this week. Will be rectified next week. Meeting up with CBD at the outdoor range we belong to.

Will be checking on the rifle and might bring the handgun out for a little fun.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 14, 2022 08:01 PM (fe7in)

193 182 Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 14, 2022 07:59 PM (CdZ4i)

Tell him not to be a ballless wonder and go on ahead and get the stamp and open carry a PDW....

I work hard not to be too judgmental of others' carry choices but grandpa got by with 5 shots of .32, if you need more than 34 shots you are not in a self-defense shoot you are in a firefight and need a rifle or shotgun.

Posted by: sven at August 14, 2022 08:02 PM (Lzpvj)

194 Shockingly, our governor, Ducy, is moving to fill gaps in the border wall with shipping containers. According to what I read, Ducey welcomes the Federal Government suing AZ for doing the job the feds won't.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 14, 2022 07:54 PM (5pTK/)

Gov Abbott won't because it might upset his chances at winning NH in 2024. (He IS running for President. Trust me.)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 14, 2022 08:02 PM (CdZ4i)

195 Jonah, have not had a problem buying a gun in MD. I will even be able to take the CC course and they can no longer deny me the right to conceal carry. The 7 day waiting period is a pain and the 10 rd mag capacity limit is a minor pain as you can buy guns with a larger mag capacity, you just have to buy the mags out of state.
Luckily I live close to VA, have a great range nearby, have regular gun shows every couple of months. There are worse places to live. Like New York. (sorry Scuba-Dude)

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 14, 2022 08:02 PM (Y+l9t)

196 Regarding Red Dawn. I think one thing should have been pointed out for 'tards like me. The Wolverines would have been one of hundreds, perhaps thousands of groups like they.

My only other gripe about that movie was why the fuck didn't they all look like Jim Bridger after a few weeks? All greasy and nasty, and their clothes all shiny with being in the mountains. Where did they shave and plug in their blow-combs?

Posted by: Pug Mahon, it's pronounced Muh-Hone at August 14, 2022 08:02 PM (x8Wzq)

197 189 Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 14, 2022 08:00 PM (R/m4+)

6.5 swede would have been a better choice IMHO, I still think the "new" ammo should have been 6.5*50.

Posted by: sven at August 14, 2022 08:03 PM (Lzpvj)

198 Did Joe Bonamassa ever get to jam with Les Paul? I loved watching Les Paul with some of these guys on the yootoobz, jamming and chatting. I remember Slash being painfully shy. Posted by: Pug Mahon

Been burning up the intertubes and I can't find a single reference if Joe and Les ever played together. As a consolation prize here is an article where Joe discusses Les Paul guitars

https://tinyurl.com/ycyp9smy

Second consolation prize. Bonamassa using a Les Paul while play Beck's Bolero.

https://tinyurl.com/mruz4h3d

Posted by: Lost In Space at August 14, 2022 08:03 PM (FF+On)

199 John Milius drove his point home with a jackhammer in that film.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 07:56 PM (llXky)

I love the man, I'm willing to watch his surfing movies, I like him so much.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at August 14, 2022 08:03 PM (xcxpd)

200 Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2022 07:53 PM (anj39)

Or being in the prone position at the Camp Atterbury, IN rifle range in January 2007 when the temperature was five below zero. Even after wearing all of our cold weather snivel gear, plus IBA, we were COLD. And yeah, we were a bunch of p&#**^&%s compared to the 101st at Bastogne, who endured that w/o any snivel gear.

Posted by: Ed L at August 14, 2022 08:03 PM (/lmRp)

201 Well thanks Weasel for the brass metallurgy video.
Besides range brass have even more in construction leftovers.
Posted by: Skip

Put a magnet on it to make sure its brass.

Lotta brass plated steel stuff out thar.

Posted by: JT at August 14, 2022 08:03 PM (T4tVD)

202 I work hard not to be too judgmental of others' carry choices but grandpa got by with 5 shots of .32, if you need more than 34 shots you are not in a self-defense shoot you are in a firefight and need a rifle or shotgun.
Posted by: sven at August 14, 2022 08:02 PM (Lzpvj)

I don't think it is a bad thing to be a LITTLE judgmental, for at the very least you are thinking what works for you as you do so. What I was thinking last night was that, sure, the extended mag is fine if you are at the range (if you are lazy and don't like switching mags constantly; I get it) but carrying everywhere like that to me just doesn't work.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 14, 2022 08:04 PM (CdZ4i)

203 Posted by: Ed L at August 14, 2022 08:03 PM (/lmRp)
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Camp Atterbury is a fun place to shoot (in the summer)!

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 08:04 PM (0IeYL)

204 Pelican Cases. For the shooter on a budget, Harbor Freight sells a *very* serviceable imitation thereof, which tend to come in at about 1/2 the price of the Genuine Article. Got one for my Razor spotting scope, and have found no fault with it thus far.
Jim

Concur. I use their cases for camera gear.

Posted by: Lost In Space at August 14, 2022 08:04 PM (FF+On)

205 Hiya Weasel !

Posted by: JT at August 14, 2022 08:05 PM (T4tVD)

206 Hiya

Posted by: JT at August 14, 2022 08:05 PM (T4tVD)

207 138 Shooting mats: The "shooting mat" I've used most often is the GI sleeping mat. No, it doesn't exactly meet all of the criteria Weasel gives, but it was better to improvise with it because it was readily available. It makes shooting from the prone position on the sharp gravel the Army likes to use on its rifle ranges a bit more tolerable.

Posted by: Ed L at August 14, 2022 07:48 PM (/lmRp)

Is that a poncho liner? I've slept on that a few times.

Posted by: Javems at August 14, 2022 08:05 PM (QqL7x)

208 Andycanuck, I thought about heaving the milk down range to distract the bad guys. Range Officer discouraged me.

Posted by: RI Red at August 14, 2022 08:06 PM (lAoHm)

209 A gold tiger-stripe Desert Eagle?
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 07:44 PM


I did have the opportunity (mumbley) years ago to buy a DE set up for .41, .44, and .357 for $1.2K. One of the regretful 'let get aways'.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 14, 2022 08:06 PM (a3Q+t)

210 Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 14, 2022 07:47 PM (61cfN)

I don't usually post appreciations but LOL .

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at August 14, 2022 08:06 PM (27hQX)

211 Hiya JT! Hiya! hiya! hiya!

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 08:06 PM (0IeYL)

212 My only other gripe about that movie was why the fuck didn't they all look like Jim Bridger after a few weeks? All greasy and nasty, and their clothes all shiny with being in the mountains. Where did they shave and plug in their blow-combs?

Posted by: Pug Mahon, it's pronounced Muh-Hone at August 14, 2022 08:02 PM (x8Wzq)
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You can't really dig too deep into the film because he was MAKING A POINT. It was a good, important point.

And boy did he make it. So, it's all good.

The other thing we have to respect is his cast. He had a real eye for rising stars.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 08:06 PM (llXky)

213 170 Had an arisaka once. Restored and refurbished by a competent gunsmith. Dude was feeding us 7.62 cartridges. These things were spiraling down the rifling.
Mangled a few animals with it. Got rid if it before we realized what this guy was doing.

Posted by: Dr. Bone
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The Japanese used Metford rifling for some reason (British developed it for black powder) with their 6.5 and 7.7 Japanese rifles. Both would technically handle the pressure of the 7.62 Nato but unless the barrel was set back and rechambered which might or might not have left enough steel around the chamber, the case tends to swell at the back as the Arisaka was wider than the US. US redid some in 30-06 for the Koreans during the Korean War and they tended to have poor accuracy and function.

The people that were successful with them did wildcats such as rechambering the 6.5 Japanese into the 264 Roberts wildcat. I am sure that someone has done something similar to the 7.7 Japanese. In that case, you would use something like the 7.62 case as a base but size the neck up to .311 for that diameter bullet. So, a 7.7-08 or something like that.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2022 08:07 PM (CXr4y)

214 Later. If I don't forget, I'll get a couple of photos of my favorite pistol.

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at August 14, 2022 08:07 PM (R5lpX)

215 I work hard not to be too judgmental of others' carry choices but grandpa got by with 5 shots of .32, if you need more than 34 shots you are not in a self-defense shoot you are in a firefight and need a rifle or shotgun.
Posted by: sven at August 14, 2022 08:02 PM (Lzpv

Unfortunately thugs now work in pairs or groups.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at August 14, 2022 08:07 PM (27hQX)

216 My reason for carrying is to get myself out of a bad situation. I don't want to be a hero. Saving other people is not my priority. 90% of the people in my
city voted for this crap.
I want to get out of a bad situation and go home.

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 14, 2022 08:07 PM (U2p+3)

217 IDPA sounds a lot like what we used to do in USMC CQB school. Except that you had to identify targets BEFORE shooting based on what they had in their hands. Target discrimination is a BIG thing with CQB. After you ran the course, instructors checked your targets. Any mistakes, and it was bear crawl the range in a gas mask! Then we added running it with shotgun (Mossberg 590). All reloads and transitions were done by the shooter. Pistols were modified M1911A1s. All targets were serviced with 'failure to stop' drills-2 to the chest, 1 to the head. AFTER the instructors were sure we wouldn't kill ourselves or someone else, we started running it as teams. Good times

Posted by: Stacy0311 at August 14, 2022 08:07 PM (VfLe7)

218 I love the man, I'm willing to watch his surfing movies, I like him so much.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at August 14, 2022 08:03 PM (xcxpd)
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I'm going to have to find Big Wednesday because in the commentary for Conan he said it was such a flop he almost had to commit ritual suicide. He used some of the footage in Conan, though.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 08:08 PM (llXky)

219 111 Used my CZ 75b for my CCW renewal. It works good.
Posted by: Lost In Space at August 14, 2022 07:39 PM (FF+On)

*nods*

May be the best hammer-fired pistol out there

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at August 14, 2022 08:08 PM (xcxpd)

220 Posted by: Stacy0311 at August 14, 2022 08:07 PM (VfLe7)
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Howdy and welcome to the Gun Thread!

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 08:09 PM (0IeYL)

221 Thanks for the red dot advice, folks. I’ll check back later to see if anybody’s got anything else, but based on my current situation, it sounds like a new optics-ready gun is best. Thanks!

Posted by: Running Gag at August 14, 2022 08:09 PM (d/oLO)

222 For those in TX, are there good places to buy ammo near the MoMe?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 14, 2022 08:10 PM (RkC6l)

223 RI Red, thanks for posting your experience for others. It reminds people that without criticism/testing your abilities, you will not improve.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2022 08:11 PM (CXr4y)

224 195. The 7 day waiting period is a pain and the 10 rd mag capacity limit is a minor pain as you can buy guns with a larger mag capacity, you just have to buy the mags out of state.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 14, 2022 08:02 PM (Y+l9t)

Or (so I understand), if you get say, 13 round magazines with your gun, they'll put in wooden dowels to stop the mags at 10 rounds. So, if the dowels were removed out of state in say, PA, for example, all's legit by the law.

Posted by: MD_Mike at August 14, 2022 08:11 PM (/A6g2)

225 Andycanuck, I thought about heaving the milk down range to distract the bad guys. Range Officer discouraged me.
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LOL

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 14, 2022 08:11 PM (yikp0)

226 John Milius drove his point home with a jackhammer in that film.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 07:56 PM (llXky)

I love the man, I'm willing to watch his surfing movies, I like him so much.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at August 14, 2022 08:03 PM (xcxpd)

Time to watch "The Wind and the Lion" again!

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at August 14, 2022 08:11 PM (y7NPO)

227 Used my CZ 75b for my CCW renewal. It works good.
Posted by: Lost In Space at August 14, 2022 07:39 PM (FF+On)

*nods*

May be the best hammer-fired pistol out there
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

Size and weight wise it sits right between a full size and compact .45 cal and that soaks up the 9mm recoil in the most lovely manner. Then there is the overall ergonomics and the excellent mechanical functioning. It works real good.

Posted by: Lost In Space at August 14, 2022 08:12 PM (FF+On)

228 215 Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at August 14, 2022 08:07 PM (27hQX)

Then I would sincerely suggest a dissipater barreled AR-15 with a nice combat optic on your back.

When I carried I carried 15 in the weapon with another 45 in the other side of the shoulder holster for 60 shots and felt I was over carrying.

Posted by: sven at August 14, 2022 08:12 PM (Lzpvj)

229 Time to watch "The Wind and the Lion" again!
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at August 14, 2022 08:11 PM (y7NPO)

#DoIt. It's great, despite Candice Bergen.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at August 14, 2022 08:12 PM (xcxpd)

230 I have a hard case that came with my first AR15 that u was going to use to ship to TX but it's not all that awesome. At the last nations gun show I picked up a Pelican Vault that was the guys display model for half off retail.

Harbor Freight sells Pelican clonish cases that are less expensive

Posted by: blaster at August 14, 2022 08:12 PM (6TxNR)

231 RI Red, will you be in Texas in October? Will Mrs. Red be joining you?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 14, 2022 08:12 PM (fe7in)

232 Got some rifle loads made up this week, using The Load: 13 grains Red Dot, with 170gr lead bullets in 8mm. Man, it was cringe-ey seating every primer, they're so scarce these days.
I think I'll get a rotor for the Lil Dandy, even though it would require double throws, which I know perfectly well is 'a disaster waiting to happen', but with the small numbers of rounds loaded, if I'm careful about visual inspection shouldn't be too risky.

Posted by: LenNeal at August 14, 2022 08:12 PM (43xH1)

233 Did Joe Bonomassa ever get to jam with Les Paul?

Don't know but I'd love to have that Les Paul he's shredding in the video.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at August 14, 2022 08:13 PM (Xrfse)

234 221 Posted by: Running Gag at August 14, 2022 08:09 PM (d/oLO)

Depending on your shooting goals I would consider a tritium See-All site.

https://youtu.be/-_3KMFZReEY

Posted by: sven at August 14, 2022 08:13 PM (Lzpvj)

235 I prefer to have the guns that shot at the Japanese. It the ones that shot at us. I have a few family members that fought in the South Pacific. Ditto the Nazi stuff. Especially since o have family members planted in Europe.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 14, 2022 08:14 PM (voHIS)

236 6.5 swede would have been a better choice IMHO, I still think the "new" ammo should have been 6.5*50.
Posted by: sven at August 14, 2022 08:03 PM (Lzpvj)

I think the reason Fedorov settled on the 6.5 Jap was they had hundred of thousands of Jap rifles and millions of 6.5 Jap rounds on hand at the time....1916-1917 in Russia.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 14, 2022 08:14 PM (R/m4+)

237 Posted by: LenNeal at August 14, 2022 08:12 PM (43xH1)
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Howdy and welcome!

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 08:14 PM (0IeYL)

238 222 For those in TX, are there good places to buy ammo near the MoMe?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 14, 2022 08:10 PM (RkC6l)

There is an Academy Sports and Outdoors that I dropped by to get ammo. But I think that's a 20-30 minute drive away. Corsicana locals might know closer gun shops and the like.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 14, 2022 08:14 PM (CdZ4i)

239 Posted by: Javems at August 14, 2022 08:05 PM (QqL7x)

It's 3/4"- 1" thick Styrofoam that's about 2' wide and 5' 6" long. It comes w/ some ties so it can be rolled up when not in use. Interestingly, I only rarely got issued a poncho liner in my career. I ended up having to buy my own because the darn thing is just way too useful.

Posted by: Ed L at August 14, 2022 08:15 PM (/lmRp)

240 Since we're all getting detailed and I've no range fun to report...

When we talk about strengths of actions and such, there isn't a lot of hard data on exactly what the upper limits of these things are, correct?

What we are doing is looking at the ammunition designed for that weapon and its pressures, and using that as a proxy value. If a gun is chambered for a cartridge that runs 20,000 PSI, the assumption is that anything that has the appropriate dimensions and less pressure, is safe.

But when we go over that number, we're still talking about what the casing can take rather than the action itself. The point of the bolt-action trials was not to find the upper limit of the casings, but the actions themselves, right?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 08:15 PM (llXky)

241 Is there any of that CBD Sous Vide ammo floating around.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 14, 2022 08:15 PM (voHIS)

242 When I carried I carried 15 in the weapon with another 45 in the other side of the shoulder holster for 60 shots and felt I was over carrying.
Posted by: sven at August 14, 2022 08:12 PM (Lzpvj)

No one ever got into a gunfight and thought, 'oh shit, I have too much ammo'. But that said...yeah, I carry one or two spare mags unless I'm doing IDPA.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at August 14, 2022 08:16 PM (xcxpd)

243 222 For those in TX, are there good places to buy ammo near the MoMe?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 14, 2022 08:10 PM (RkC6l)

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Ammo all over DFW, I don't know if that's considered "near" but this is Texas and "near" might be "far" to other people. I defer to the Navarro County folks for super-duper-ultra-near.

Posted by: Colonel Travis at August 14, 2022 08:17 PM (Cgo1x)

244 242 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at August 14, 2022 08:16 PM (xcxpd)

God help the individual who actually "needs" the 60 shots, because unlike the LAPD we are actually responsible for our backstops and fuck ups.

Posted by: sven at August 14, 2022 08:17 PM (Lzpvj)

245 Greetings to the horde, and to the illustrious Weasel!
All you procrastinators are going to miss out on a fun time.

Posted by: Rancherbob at August 14, 2022 08:18 PM (gtu9W)

246 Did Joe Bonomassa ever get to jam with Les Paul?

Don't know but I'd love to have that Les Paul he's shredding in the video.
Posted by: Notorious BFD

The 2nd guitarist, Irwin, was added for this gig. The rest of the band has been playing together for years and years. What they pull off is them just playing; they are one of the greatest bands ever, say, starting with Louis Armstrongs Hot 5/Hot7 bands as the start point.

Posted by: Lost In Space at August 14, 2022 08:18 PM (FF+On)

247 One thing I have done, never having done any of the fancy courses, is loading and unloading a mag on a new weapon. Doing it the 1000th time is smoother than the first.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 14, 2022 08:18 PM (ybIRR)

248 OT Robert Barnes said that the cameras at Mar a Lago were rolling whilst a 127 year old J Edgar Hoover dressed up in Melania's clothes.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 14, 2022 08:19 PM (ybIRR)

249 For those in TX, are there good places to buy ammo near the MoMe?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 14, 2022 08:10 PM (RkC6l)
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I think there is a sporting goods/ gun store in Corsicana. I'll get info from Ben Had and post it next week.

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 08:19 PM (0IeYL)

250 It's 3/4"- 1" thick Styrofoam that's about 2' wide and 5' 6" long. It comes w/ some ties so it can be rolled up when not in use.
Posted by: Ed L at August 14, 2022 08:15 PM (/lmRp)

Come to think of it, I either carried one of those or maybe just saw one. I had to buy all my stuff. Still have the have liner.

Posted by: Javems at August 14, 2022 08:20 PM (QqL7x)

251 For those in TX, are there good places to buy ammo near the MoMe?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState

I thought in TX it grew on Mesquite bushes.

Posted by: Tonypete at August 14, 2022 08:20 PM (LsEU/)

252 Nurse, sharon, Sid, love to hear the Ettes chime in with their purchases and thoughts. Future DIL is really getting into the sport and remembers everything.
Weaselines and Weaselettes forever!

Posted by: RI Red at August 14, 2022 08:21 PM (lAoHm)

253 Posted by: Rancherbob at August 14, 2022 08:18 PM (gtu9W)
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Howdy RancherBob!!!

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 08:21 PM (0IeYL)

254 I prefer to have the guns that shot at the Japanese. It the ones that shot at us. I have a few family members that fought in the South Pacific. Ditto the Nazi stuff. Especially since o have family members planted in Europe.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 14, 2022 08:14 PM (voHIS)
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I'm not a fan of Nazi weapons simply because there's a bizarre premium on weapons with the Hitler stamp. Exact same weapon without it costs less.

Japanese weapons are all trophies, so while they may have shot at us at one point, they are the plunder of a defeated enemy.

Having done a bunch of research on the topic, the "fall of Japan" is very much a tragedy. Japan tried very hard to follow Western customs, observe international law and even treated prisoners of war with scrupulous care. No kidding, when Chinese admiral killed himself in shame after losing his ships in 1895, the Japanese fleet fired fired their guns in salute and allowed his body to leave the harbor with full honors.

All that was ruined - and Japan was ruined. It's very sad if you think about it.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 08:21 PM (llXky)

255 My buddies who shoot Action Pistol tell me IDPA stands for I Don't Practice Any...

Posted by: ChupaMe at August 14, 2022 08:21 PM (/8qXu)

256 Speaking of dowels, there was a dowel in my Mossberg 500 shotgun. I asked a buddy and he said "That's for hunting. You can take it out for home defense."

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at August 14, 2022 08:22 PM (JVCkA)

257 240 When we talk about strengths of actions and such, there isn't a lot of hard data on exactly what the upper limits of these things are, correct? Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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AH, it kind of complicates measurement until failure if you have a cartridge separation that can damage the bolt, blow out the magazine, injure the shooter, and so on. Essentially, the bolt action rifle is a system and thus has to be tested to the weakest link. British Enfields used rear locking on their rifles and a rimmed cartridge. In an overpressure event, the rear receiver lug recesses would be swaged to the degree you probably could not get the next round chamber or you could even have the bolt lugs sheared off. The recesses were designed to give before the bolt lug in that rifle. Mausers lock at the front but essentially have something similar where the receiver lug recesses deform too.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2022 08:22 PM (CXr4y)

258 According to my local MD gun store, I can order a gun that comes with mags larger than 10 but when the gun arrives, they cannot give me the mags. However, I can order the larger mags on line or go to VA and buy the larger mags no problem. The MD law simply says mags larger than 10 cannot be sold in MD. However, it is not illegal to own them.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 14, 2022 08:23 PM (Y+l9t)

259 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at August 14, 2022 08:12 PM (xcxpd)

Rasooli: "This Rooosevelt. What kind of rifle does he use?"

Pedicaris: "A Winchester!"

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at August 14, 2022 08:23 PM (y7NPO)

260 222 For those in TX, are there good places to buy ammo near the MoMe?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 14, 2022 08:10 PM (RkC6l)
There's a couple I think.

Posted by: Eromero at August 14, 2022 08:23 PM (0OP+5)

261 Having done a bunch of research on the topic, the "fall of Japan" is very much a tragedy. Japan tried very hard to follow Western customs, observe international law and even treated prisoners of war with scrupulous care. No kidding, when Chinese admiral killed himself in shame after losing his ships in 1895, the Japanese fleet fired fired their guns in salute and allowed his body to leave the harbor with full honors.

All that was ruined - and Japan was ruined. It's very sad if you think about it.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 08:21 PM (llXky)

*China has entered the chat*
*The Philippines have entered the chat*
*The Survivors of Bataan Death March have entered the chat*

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at August 14, 2022 08:23 PM (xcxpd)

262 Scoobs, I’m saving the TXMOME attendance talk with Mrs. Red for such time as I have megabucks in the marital capital account.
I’ll attend in any event, but I’d like to be able to get back in my home afterwards.

Posted by: RI Red at August 14, 2022 08:23 PM (lAoHm)

263 I went to Cabelas with swa and provided morale support while she was purchasing.

The Aegis Elite OI (optic installed) is a VERY nice piece of kit. Goggle them up and take a look. Has me thinking...

Swa has been shooting 1911s for a bit. The slim grip actually fits her smaller hands well and the mass takes the recoil. Cabelas was super helpful on the whole transfer to a Maryland store thing.

Posted by: blaster at August 14, 2022 08:23 PM (6TxNR)

264 Yes Weasel the last time I was in the supporting goods gun store they were pretty well stocked.

Posted by: Rancherbob at August 14, 2022 08:23 PM (gtu9W)

265 My buddies who shoot Action Pistol tell me IDPA stands for I Don't Practice Any...
Posted by: ChupaMe at August 14, 2022 08:21 PM (/8qXu)
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Now THIS is funny!

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 08:24 PM (0IeYL)

266 For those of you asking about ammo near the TxMoMeet, post your supply needs out here in the thread.

Probably more than one Texan Horde-ian, might be willing to make the pre-purchase for you.. just settle up at the Ranch.


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at August 14, 2022 08:24 PM (tkOps)

267 Well thanks Weasel for the brass metallurgy video.
Besides range brass have even more in construction leftovers.
Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2022 07:14 PM (k8B25)

That was an interesting video! I would like the plans for his furnace.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 14, 2022 08:25 PM (G8rHu)

268 Evening all you shootists, RMBS there is a sport center here in town that carries a large selection.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 14, 2022 08:25 PM (wz7Ka)

269 Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 08:04 PM (0IeYL)

It was a nice range. The targets did show pretty well against the snow covered backstops. But no one shot well because we had to shoot M-16A2s that day. It's impossible to get a textbook lock in the pit of your shoulder when you're wearing IBA. IBA also makes it very difficult to get a good sight picture like you're supposed to. I came away from that miserable experience convinced of 1) M4's are the way to go and 2) RDS/ACOG are necessities on the modern battlefield.

Posted by: Ed L at August 14, 2022 08:25 PM (/lmRp)

270 *China has entered the chat*
*The Philippines have entered the chat*
*The Survivors of Bataan Death March have entered the chat*

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at August 14, 2022 08:23 PM (xcxpd)
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Exactly. Japan in 1895 was not the Japan of 1931.

They went from honoring the various conventions to outright savagery.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 08:25 PM (llXky)

271 Posted by: Rancherbob at August 14, 2022 08:23 PM (gtu9W)
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Excellent. Thank you! Can you txt me the name?

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 08:25 PM (0IeYL)

272 254 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 08:21 PM (llXky)

Japan's good graces to the Anglosphere including us as it were were sacrificed by a combination of Teddy Roosevelt and Woody Fucking Wilson-in fairness (not a hattip to Poppin Fresh Morrisey) it was pretty well understood as soon as we won the Spanish American War that we were gonna have to throw down with Japan.

A wonderful book on the matter is War Plan Orange.

https://tinyurl.com/mwnu5bxs

A nice piece on the final tweaks to Orange is here....

https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/44642633.pdf

Posted by: sven at August 14, 2022 08:26 PM (Lzpvj)

273 That was an interesting video! I would like the plans for his furnace.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 14, 2022 08:25 PM (G8rHu)
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Check his channel. He has a vid about making one out of a water heater shell.

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 08:27 PM (0IeYL)

274 262 Posted by: RI Red at August 14, 2022 08:23 PM

Looking forward to seeing you again. If you were close I would offer to transport your toys. ;-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 14, 2022 08:27 PM (fe7in)

275 270 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 08:25 PM (llXky)

You could see the outline of 1931 Japan in 1905 Japan, I think history would have been better served by our allowing Japan to make its honestly won war gains rather than spare Russia's feeling because Fwance and the UK wanted them as a hedge against the Kaiser.

Posted by: sven at August 14, 2022 08:27 PM (Lzpvj)

276 To continue, if you have the dimensions and know the composition of the material (sometimes an issue) and heat treatment, then you can calculate using a Materials handbook the approximate maximum strength of the receiver ring and so forth under perfect conditions.

In reality, for well worn bolt actions, you have a host of additional factors like rust pitting, metal fatigue, headspace, and so on.

The Arisakas are overbuilt and will withstand enormous pressures. One NRA museum exhibit is an Arisaka where a guy reamed out the chamber to take a 30-06 but did not rebore the .264 barrel. The guy complained that it kicked a bit when firing and sent it in for the NRA to examine. They test fired it remotely and found the action would withstand swaging a .308 projectile down to .264 without blowing up the rifle.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2022 08:28 PM (CXr4y)

277 AH, it kind of complicates measurement until failure if you have a cartridge separation that can damage the bolt, blow out the magazine, injure the shooter, and so on.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2022 08:22 PM (CXr4y)
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Right, and that's why we use casings as the proxy, because if the casing is within its limits, things are peachy.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 08:28 PM (llXky)

278 NGL I could use a yoga mat. It's thick enough.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 14, 2022 08:28 PM (ybIRR)

279 Posted by: Ben Had at August 14, 2022 08:25 PM (wz7Ka)
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Thx BH. Can you send me the name and I will post it next Sunday.

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 08:28 PM (0IeYL)

280 Mortified at that “except” where I meant “accept” in the cigar review. Will fine myself 300 quatloos.

Diogenes, glad you’ve discovered those AB connecticuts, they’re fine easy smoking.

Just finished a Joya de Nicaragua Antano connecticut on the porch while talking with buddy in Tejas. Another great flavorful mild stick.

So Weasel what’s burning tonight?

Posted by: rhomboid at August 14, 2022 08:28 PM (qLaHE)

281 255 My buddies who shoot Action Pistol tell me IDPA stands for I Don't Practice Any...

Posted by: ChupaMe at August 14, 2022 08:21 PM

In the financial industry a former employee of HSBC said that it stood for How Simple Became Complicated.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 14, 2022 08:28 PM (fe7in)

282 I think there is a sporting goods/ gun store in Corsicana. I'll get info from Ben Had and post it next week.
Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 08:19 PM

Thanks. Might task my buddy to bring some up as well if he can make it. I can only bring so much with me.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 14, 2022 08:30 PM (RkC6l)

283 I know TJM probably isn't here, because he has a hot wife and children, but one of the things that came up in our discussion of 'The Human Condition' was how physically brutal the IJA was to it's own troops. This also comes up in the works of Shigeru Mizuki's manga 'Showa'...who lost an arm while serving in the Pacific. It's mostly forgotten today, but the IJA turned out monsters and were commanded by monsters.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at August 14, 2022 08:30 PM (xcxpd)

284 267 That was an interesting video! I would like the plans for his furnace.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 14, 2022 08:25 PM

Go through his videos, IIRC he made one on making a furnace.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 14, 2022 08:30 PM (fe7in)

285 242 When I carried I carried 15 in the weapon with another 45 in the other side of the shoulder holster for 60 shots and felt I was over carrying.
Posted by: sven at August 14, 2022 08:12 PM (Lzpvj)

No one ever got into a gunfight and thought, 'oh shit, I have too much ammo'. But that said...yeah, I carry one or two spare mags unless I'm doing IDPA.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at August 14, 2022 08:16 PM (xcxpd)
17+1 in the firearm and two spare 17 round mags at work. Same package off work, always at least two spare mags, or speedloaders if you carry a revolver, or really an extra revolver same caliber.

Posted by: Eromero at August 14, 2022 08:30 PM (0OP+5)

286 Loading for 8mm (7.92x57mm), using Lee collet dies, neck-sizing only, which is fine because I'm only using one rifle, full-length sizing isn't really necessary, and The Load is rather light. The lead bullets are from an outfit in IL that had boxes of 500 for like $40.
I'm considering the rotor for the Lil Dandy because it's a pain weighing every charge for 13 grains of Red Dot. Also, I hadn't known, but Lee changed their immortal Auto-Prime, and apparently the new design sucks, so I better get another old style one off ebay or somewhere, right away...

Posted by: LenNeal at August 14, 2022 08:30 PM (43xH1)

287
So Weasel what’s burning tonight?
Posted by: rhomboid at August 14, 2022 08:28 PM (qLaHE)
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Uh oh! My spel check might've done that!

Brand X Nicaraguan Maduro! Almost done.

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 08:30 PM (0IeYL)

288 285 Posted by: Eromero at August 14, 2022 08:30 PM (0OP+5)

Cirillo carried 3 .38s and a .45 on the stakeout squad sometimes....

Man the stakeout squad, that would never fly today.

Posted by: sven at August 14, 2022 08:31 PM (Lzpvj)

289 I know there are a number of people driving to the MoMe from the DMV. Maybe we can load them up with some extra ammo.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 14, 2022 08:31 PM (Y+l9t)

290 Evening all you shootists, RMBS there is a sport center here in town that carries a large selection.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 14, 2022 08:25 PM

Thanks! Can only travel with so much.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 14, 2022 08:32 PM (RkC6l)

291 You could see the outline of 1931 Japan in 1905 Japan, I think history would have been better served by our allowing Japan to make its honestly won war gains rather than spare Russia's feeling because Fwance and the UK wanted them as a hedge against the Kaiser.

Posted by: sven at August 14, 2022 08:27 PM (Lzpvj)
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I think Japan's "heel turn" was in the 1920s, especially after the 1923 Tokyo earthquake.

To that point Japan had actively supported Chinese development. Chiang Kai-shek was trained in Japan and when Sun Yat-sen ran into trouble, he took refuge Japan.

Anyhow, I take a look at in my upcoming book, Walls of Men: The Chinese Way of War 2500 BC - 2020 AD. Finished the draft last week, hope to publish in September.

That's driven a lot of my interest in Japanese weapons.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 08:32 PM (llXky)

292 Army PT mat is not a poncho liner, as someone said. We are sentimental about all the things that keep us warm and dry.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 14, 2022 08:33 PM (ybIRR)

293 I asked about prepositioned ammo for the MoMe a few GTs back and it was like I was asking something totally crazy.

Good to hear there is local supply possible.

Posted by: blaster at August 14, 2022 08:34 PM (6TxNR)

294 And I am apologizing to Braeynard and others this am who reported the story about a coach getting shot yesterday at a youth football game near Dallas. I called it a BS story as there was nothing in any media I could find on it. Liberty Daily has the story from Twitter and the press release from the Lancaster Texas PD describing the warrant out for the arrest of the alleged shooter, Ayub Tlaibs brother. Liberty Daily seems to be the only national news source reporting this.

Posted by: Jen the original at August 14, 2022 08:34 PM (RX7+F)

295 CBD was kind enough to order some ammo for me while NJ still permits it. Being a resident of the PRNYC forbids me from buying ammo online and having it delivered to my door.

I will be bringing enough 9mm and .308 to the MoMe in October. I hope. :-)
But I will try and replace what I used and more before leaving Texas.

Last year and the year before were tough with the ammo shortages.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 14, 2022 08:34 PM (fe7in)

296 17+1 in the firearm and two spare 17 round mags at work. Same package off work, always at least two spare mags, or speedloaders if you carry a revolver, or really an extra revolver same caliber.

Posted by: Eromero at August 14, 2022 08:30 PM (0OP+5)
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Counterpoint: If you have to shoot and kill a "good boy who was turning his life around" with that much ammo on hand, you could be accused of being on a hunting expedition.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 08:35 PM (llXky)

297 Right, and that's why we use casings as the proxy, because if the casing is within its limits, things are peachy.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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To actually determine that, you have to use Ken Water's technique where he used fired brass casings to measure brass expansion at a common reference point (case web I think as it has been awhile).

Easier to just get the piezoelectric sensors which costs about 5-6 hundred for a rig with the sensors as consumables at a fair cost (think about one hundred or so). If you like to wildcat, that is the way to do it as it measures pressure in your specific rifle at different points. As far as actions go, the Remington 700 and its clones out there is one of the toughest actions overall out there. Still have a problem though when you exceed the brass pressure (think you are at about 75 to 80k psi by then). Brass can and has vaporized in ultra high pressure events.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2022 08:35 PM (CXr4y)

298 Not a hunter or a big shooter but trying to practice practice practice so I can establish some proficiency. So yesterday my friend came over with his son to shoot friend's new black powder rifle and his son's new pistol. I brought a few firearms out to practice with as well but ended up the low man all around. But I shot, and I learned.

My friend is a very experienced shooter and I appreciate his knowledge and guidance. His new black-powder rifle was a sleek stainless(?) and black plastic breakover that requires the primer to be inserted in the barrel once broken over and the .50 cal bullet inserted after the powder which, to the surprise of all of us, is compressed into easily-insertable cylinders. In 5 shots he was satisfied with the zero, his son shot it once, putting his single shot into the same place on the target as his father's last zero shot! Kid's got a good eye!

I had a couple pistols I wanted to shoot and did so without much satisfaction. I was having a difficult time lining up the iron sights on the pistols partly because of vision/glasses issues. The sights seemed just a blur when I needed good clean clarity. Need Moar Practice my 'fren' sez.

Posted by: A Grateful American MAGA at August 14, 2022 08:35 PM (uhWoa)

299 291 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 08:32 PM (llXky)

Japan had visions of being The UK of the Far East.

Their martial accomplishments are astounding from the 1890s to the 1920s.

At the end of the day America has always had a case of Sinophilia, and hell I am as guilty as anyone it probably made the pacific war inevitable once we enraged them.

Our forcing the UK to choose in the 20s was again an unpleasant necessity that also likely made the Sino-Japanese Kerfuffle of the 30s a certainty.

Posted by: sven at August 14, 2022 08:36 PM (Lzpvj)

300 One of the most interesting things about Cabelas on a Saturday afternoon....Parking lot was packed. All kinds of people. Young, old, male, female, even a group of Sikhs. Someone with a huge boat on a trailer, a couple of guys walking with fishing poles. Dogs in the store. Everybody smiling. Nice.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 14, 2022 08:36 PM (Y+l9t)

301 296 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 08:35 PM (llXky)

He was thinking about thinking about college man, this fella hunted him!

//Moesha X

Definitely part of my thinking, I will never forget how skilled and fearless gramps was with that wheel gun.

Posted by: sven at August 14, 2022 08:37 PM (Lzpvj)

302 I know there are a number of people driving to the MoMe from the DMV. Maybe we can load them up with some extra ammo.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 14, 2022 08:31 PM (Y+l9t)
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You can travel on commercial air carriers with up to 11 pounds of ammo in its original packaging.

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 08:37 PM (0IeYL)

303 Also, I hadn't known, but Lee changed their immortal Auto-Prime, and apparently the new design sucks, so I better get another old style one off ebay or somewhere, right away...

Posted by: LenNeal
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They did it because primers have become more sensitive. You can read up why but Lee is very careful about stuff they can get sued over--same as Ruger.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2022 08:37 PM (CXr4y)

304 Taking the neighborhood teen across the street to the range tomorrow - gave him the safety brief today along with the 'this is the weapon you'll be shooting' walkthrough.

He and his family are moving back to the Seattle area next week and his Dad wanted him to experience the joys of boom sticks before they head out. He is very excited.

Posted by: Tonypete at August 14, 2022 08:37 PM (LsEU/)

305 Probably more than one Texan Horde-ian, might be willing to make the pre-purchase for you.. just settle up at the Ranch.
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This Wyoming ette may be willing to pre-purchase as well, and I plan to bring some extra 9mm and .22. There is a small chance I can't come, but if I do I'll bring a Jeep full o'stuff. Email in nic.

Also would any reloading Hordians be willing to take some brass off my hands if I bring it to Texas? I've been saving .38 Special, .45 acp, and 9mm. I don't have a lot but it would make me very happy to pass it along to a reloading 'ron or ette.

Posted by: screaming in digital at August 14, 2022 08:38 PM (pkAcY)

306 294 Posted by: Jen the original at August 14, 2022 08:34 PM (RX7+F)

Kind of like the "honor killing" in New Mexico will no longer be a "driving force for much needed national introspection" given the guy who popped four guys named Mohammed was also named Mohammed.

Posted by: sven at August 14, 2022 08:38 PM (Lzpvj)

307 I will have ammo info availability for next weeks gun thread,

Posted by: Ben Had at August 14, 2022 08:38 PM (wz7Ka)

308 One of the most interesting things about Cabelas on a Saturday afternoon....Parking lot was packed. All kinds of people. Young, old, male, female, even a group of Sikhs. Someone with a huge boat on a trailer, a couple of guys walking with fishing poles. Dogs in the store. Everybody smiling. Nice.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 14, 2022 08:36 PM

Love Cabela's. You coming to TX, sharon?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 14, 2022 08:39 PM (RkC6l)

309 They went from honoring the various conventions to outright savagery.
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When did Bushido gain prominence?

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 14, 2022 08:39 PM (yikp0)

310 Posted by: A Grateful American MAGA at August 14, 2022 08:35 PM (uhWoa)
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Howdy and welcome to the Gun Thread!

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 08:39 PM (0IeYL)

311 17+1 in the firearm and two spare 17 round mags at work. Same package off work, always at least two spare mags, or speedloaders if you carry a revolver, or really an extra revolver same caliber.

Posted by: Eromero at August 14, 2022 08:30 PM (0OP+5)
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Counterpoint: If you have to shoot and kill a "good boy who was turning his life around" with that much ammo on hand, you could be accused of being on a hunting expedition.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 08:35 PM


Yep, and if you are engaging the turning his life around good boy at 20+ yards* with all of that extra ammo you are just asking a jury to convict you.


*This advice does not apply to good boy turning his life around who is shooting at you at 20+ yards away and coming at you.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 14, 2022 08:39 PM (bVYXr)

312 One man's approach to carrying ammo. This statute of Pancho Villa is in Palomas, MX. Palomas is right across the border from Columbus, NM which Pancho attacked in 1916 and burnt to the ground. He ended having 80 banditos KIA because his pre attack spies somehow missed that the 13th Cavalry Regiment was in town. Good help was just as hard to get then as now. This statute has Pancho charging due east. I think he should be point due north.

https://tinyurl.com/mv3s46w4

Posted by: Lost In Space at August 14, 2022 08:39 PM (FF+On)

313 At the end of the day America has always had a case of Sinophilia, and hell I am as guilty as anyone it probably made the pacific war inevitable once we enraged them.

Our forcing the UK to choose in the 20s was again an unpleasant necessity that also likely made the Sino-Japanese Kerfuffle of the 30s a certainty.

Posted by: sven at August 14, 2022 08:36 PM (Lzpvj)
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After grinding through thousands of years of Chinese history, I think I can say that whatever grievances they have against foreigners, they've done themselves far dirtier.

I now get the Japanese "Sorry not sorry" pose. They're local, they know the history. Standard Chinese "rebellion suppression" was to rape and kill everyone in the province. Chinese armies at rest were criminal gangs who'd kill people out of boredom. Really eye-opening.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 08:40 PM (llXky)

314 It's going atop the Thomspon-Center Compass (6.5 Creedmoor) that's already a proven sub-MOA rifle with a very limited Nikon 3x9x40 ProStaff 'scope. The Nikon will return to standby duty on the top shelf of the safe.

Posted by: Jim at August 14, 2022 07:33 PM (tkOps)

And here I thought I was the only one that kept a cheap 3x9 Nikon scope as a floater. Bought for $100 at Academy and it was the first scope I used when I first shot my 6.5 Grendel AR and RPR, with great results. For a cheap bastard like me, I love that kind of value.

Posted by: Arch Stanton at August 14, 2022 08:40 PM (0LxeY)

315 307 I will have ammo info availability for next weeks gun thread,
Posted by: Ben Had at August 14, 2022 08:38 PM (wz7Ka)
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Thanks. Let me know and I'll put it into the post.

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 08:41 PM (0IeYL)

316 @Gref I put an adapter plate and optic on a Sig P226 and a Ruger P95. Both of those pistols were okay with 115 grain ammo before. After the optic I had to step up to 124 grain.

They both shoot fine with the 124 for me but they are very susceptible to limp wristing (the P95 was before so I can't blame the optic). I haven't gotten into trying to figure out the springs on them.

Posted by: blaster at August 14, 2022 08:43 PM (6TxNR)

317 292 Army PT mat is not a poncho liner, as someone said. We are sentimental about all the things that keep us warm and dry.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 14, 2022 08:33 PM (ybIRR)

Ah, PT mat. Never used one. Poncho liners were cherished.

Posted by: Javems at August 14, 2022 08:43 PM (QqL7x)

318 When did Bushido gain prominence?

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 14, 2022 08:39 PM (yikp0)
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When Japan modernized, the Imperial faction met strong resistance from the samurai, who wanted to retain their ancient privileges. After the Satsuma Rebellion was put down, a new army was formed.

No volunteers. It was peasant conscripts all the way down. Officers selected from the middle classes. No samurai need apply.

Swords were European patterns because all things samurai were wrong and old.

In the 1920s that shifted, and that's when you start to see Bushido getting back into the national culture in a big way.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 08:44 PM (llXky)

319 296 17+1 in the firearm and two spare 17 round mags at work. Same package off work, always at least two spare mags, or speedloaders if you carry a revolver, or really an extra revolver same caliber.

Posted by: Eromero at August 14, 2022 08:30 PM (0OP+5)
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Counterpoint: If you have to shoot and kill a "good boy who was turning his life around" with that much ammo on hand, you could be accused of being on a hunting expedition.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 08:35 PM (llXky)
My prayer every morning is 'Not today, O Lord'. But if it happens it changes everything forever. I accept that.

Posted by: Eromero at August 14, 2022 08:44 PM (0OP+5)

320 "All that was ruined - and Japan was ruined. It's very sad if you think about it.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 08:21 PM (llXky) "

Japan gave up their honor in 1941. Perhaps before that. They traded it for conquest and total war. They wanted to annihilate and crush America. Instead they were unconditionally defeated and annihilated themselves- something they should have thought about before starting that damn war. I have family members who until the day they died, never forgave them for their barbarity. The way their brothers suffered or were tortured to death. In talking to them, part of their hate was that the Japanese made those opposing them find a dark part of themselves they never knew existed. They were transformed not just into warriors, but they became war itself. It was often complete, and encumbered by any sense of humanity. It was the rage of survival. It was something they never forgot. Defeating Japan, and especially nuking them in the end was almost cathartic. I say almost because what they went through was so horrific, even in total defeat, it never satiated their emotions.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 14, 2022 08:44 PM (voHIS)

321 RMBS, of course. Really hope you can make it. Once a year is not enough.
Now trying to figure out how to bring my new purchase along with me. I bought a Pelican case a while back fro my rifle and it was pretty awkward. Even though it has wheels, it was still a pain for my size. Hoping to find something more compact to maybe bring two handgunsd.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 14, 2022 08:45 PM (Y+l9t)

322 Posted by: Marcus T at August 14, 2022 08:44 PM (voHIS)
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Very well said.

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 08:46 PM (0IeYL)

323 Poncho liners were cherished.
Posted by: Javems at August 14, 2022 08:43 PM

Oh. Hell. Yes.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 14, 2022 08:46 PM (RkC6l)

324 since I've failed at lurking, here's my noob question of the week.

During my rummaging, I found some ammo I'm not sure about. It looks like .45 acp but has a flat nose. Not flush, like a wadcutter, just flat instead of round. They have "WCC 53" headstamps but they might be reloads. The label inside says "3.5 Bullseye, 230 gr LFP .452, Rem 2 1/2"

I never heard of .452 before. Can I use this in my 1911?

I can send pix if needed. I am doing my Googling, but I trust the Horde more than Internet randos.

Posted by: screaming in digital at August 14, 2022 08:46 PM (pkAcY)

325 Posted by: sven at August 14, 2022 08:36 PM (Lzpvj)

The Washington and London Naval Treaties (1922, 1930) were meant to stop naval arms races. But they stoked Japanese resentment (especially among the militarist factions in Japan) against the Brits and US because they formally relegated Japan to "second rate" status due to the numbers/tonnage allocated to battleships and other capital ships (5 to US/UK, 3 to Japan, 1.75 to France/Italy). Much work in Japanese naval design was spent to find ways around the treaty provisions once they took effect. In the end, Japan was the one that outright tore up the treaties in 1936.

Posted by: Ed L at August 14, 2022 08:46 PM (/lmRp)

326 Ola ca va?

Not much shooting to report for me. Picked up a couple of optics yesterday via a mate at auction. Unfortunately got a fake one out of the two. Got a good new Vortex Spitfire 3 x that has gone onto an SBR AR15 but the woggo was an Aimpoint Comp M2. My friend who was bidding at the auction rings up and says hey there is a bunch of scopes for sale you want any? Sure as long as they are pukka. Yep, yep all good. Real deal. OK get me the Vortex and Aimpoint if they are real. So of course the Aimpoint is Chinee shit. That goes on the SKK that is up high in the gun room where I can't get it and you can't tell if its a fake. Caveat emptor. I broke the 1st rule of gun auctions. Always be there.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 14, 2022 08:46 PM (bgJ0E)

327 Japan gave up their honor in 1941. Perhaps before that.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 14, 2022 08:44 PM (voHIS)
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That's what I mean by it being sad.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 08:46 PM (llXky)

328 Hold on. Who had a PT mat? Did it have the Care Bears on it? I thought grass was a PT mat.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 14, 2022 08:47 PM (voHIS)

329 Wwweeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaasssel!

Posted by: Pauly Bro'shore at August 14, 2022 08:47 PM (f5YF0)

330 Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 14, 2022 08:45 PM

Hoping so, sharon.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 14, 2022 08:47 PM (RkC6l)

331 let me know if anyone wants me to bring spent Federal .308 brass cases down to the MoMe. I have close to 100 of them.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 14, 2022 08:47 PM (fe7in)

332 Well, I've got a movie to finish with the Mrs., so thanks again, Weasel!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 08:48 PM (llXky)

333 You can travel on commercial air carriers with up to 11 pounds of ammo in its original packaging.
Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 08:37 PM (0IeYL)


That is the TSA regulation but airlines may differ.

Check with your airline. I am thinking of a traveling with firearms topic for a future GT...

Posted by: blaster at August 14, 2022 08:49 PM (6TxNR)

334 Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 14, 2022 08:46 PM (bgJ0E)
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Howdy, bro!

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 08:49 PM (0IeYL)

335 51 I've traveled a LOT with Pelican cases and never had an issue. Recommended!
Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 07:13 PM

Thanks. Will explore.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 14, 2022 07:21 PM (RkC6l)

Pelican are the best imho. TSA approved and awesome. Get the 1750 model for long guns and general sex appeal.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 14, 2022 08:49 PM (bgJ0E)

336 Posted by: Pauly Bro'shore at August 14, 2022 08:47 PM (f5YF0)
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Howdy!!

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 08:50 PM (0IeYL)

337 "In the end, Japan was the one that outright tore up the treaties in 1936.
Posted by: Ed L at August 14, 2022 08:46 PM (/lmRp)"

They tore up the treaties and then proceeded to do exactly what the treaties were meant to prevent. Except Roosevelt was too weak and cowardly to push the issue when the Japanese were in no position to fight back- right up until Pearl Harbor. That probably would have saved everyone the specter of WWII in the Pacific.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 14, 2022 08:50 PM (voHIS)

338 325 Posted by: Ed L at August 14, 2022 08:46 PM (/lmRp)

Everyone involved cheated on the treaties, and the WNT was there as a Japan containing cost saving measure for Pan-Anglic naval domination.

The resentment at the WNT would not have been there had you not had the 1-2 binary of Teddy saving Russia's bacon and then Woody and the boys basically telling Japan (along with Italy notice a pattern?) "you'll get little and love it."

Japan did a lot of hard work in the allied effort to contain the red army's worst excesses during WW1 and post WW1 and felt very cheated.

None of this is offered as any justification for Japan's many sins afterwards but it is not as though a sane detached person could not see where humiliating a face culture quasi-ally was gonna wind up.

Posted by: sven at August 14, 2022 08:50 PM (Lzpvj)

339 Is there a Pelican case for handguns that fit in a suitcase? I also worry about stuff getting stolen out of luggage. The airline takes no responsibility for that.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 14, 2022 08:51 PM (Y+l9t)

340 ..And here I thought I was the only one that kept a cheap 3x9 Nikon scope as a floater. Bought for $100 at Academy and it was the first scope I used when I first shot my 6.5 Grendel AR and RPR, with great results. For a cheap bastard like me, I love that kind of value.
Posted by: Arch Stanton at August 14, 2022 08:40 PM (0LxeY)


Yep. I wasn't going to invest in a scope costing nearly 3x the purchase price of the rifle, without first validating that the rifle would deliver it's As Promised sub-MOA potential, with premium ammo.

That it does while so equipped with the Nikon, leads me to expect that I'll be able to wrest-out it's full potential, once the Vortex is mounted, trued and zeroed.


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at August 14, 2022 08:51 PM (tkOps)

341 Posted by: blaster at August 14, 2022 08:49 PM (6TxNR)
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We've covered it and had a SEH video on the matter a few weeks back. Definitely check with your airline, but all the ones I've used follow the 11# limit.

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 08:51 PM (0IeYL)

342 Posted by: Marcus T at August 14, 2022 08:44 PM (voHIS)

My step father was in that number.

Posted by: Javems at August 14, 2022 08:51 PM (QqL7x)

343 >Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 14, 2022 08:36 PM


I am surprised they have a Cabela's in MD
(native Marylander here)

Posted by: DB at August 14, 2022 08:51 PM (geLO8)

344 "Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 14, 2022 08:46 PM (llXky)"

I don't necessarily disagree with that point. Japan had an ordered society before nefarious forces started pushing them towards external conquest.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 14, 2022 08:52 PM (voHIS)

345 Counterpoint: If you have to shoot and kill a "good boy who was turning his life around" with that much ammo on hand, you could be accused of being on a hunting expedition.

This sounds like more of that Internet Smart Stuff that sounds reasonable enough but does anyone know of an actual case where this actually happened?

Posted by: Oddbob at August 14, 2022 08:52 PM (nfrXX)

346 After grinding through thousands of years of Chinese history, I think I can say that whatever grievances they have against foreigners, they've done themselves far dirtier.
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Maybe I should save it for the book thread but the fictional Sir Harry Flashman [George MacDonald Fraser] said something like, "The Rules of War in China seem to be if it moves, kill it; if it doesn't, burn it."

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 14, 2022 08:52 PM (yikp0)

347 339 Is there a Pelican case for handguns that fit in a suitcase? I also worry about stuff getting stolen out of luggage. The airline takes no responsibility for that.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 14, 2022 08:51 PM (Y+l9t)
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Pelican cases come in just about every size you can imagine.

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 08:53 PM (0IeYL)

348 That time of the night and I'm checking out. Later, All, We'll catch ya on the flip side. ThanX! As always, Weasel!

McGyver, out

Posted by: McGyver at August 14, 2022 08:53 PM (YbEGd)

349 "My step father was in that number.
Posted by: Javems at August 14, 2022 08:51 PM (QqL7x)"

RIP. Too many good men.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 14, 2022 08:53 PM (voHIS)

350 Japan gave up their honor in 1941. Perhaps before that. They traded it for conquest and total war. They wanted to annihilate and crush America. I say almost because what they went through was so horrific, even in total defeat, it never satiated their emotions.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 14, 2022 08:44 PM


The empire of Japan lost it's collective mind during the depression. They blamed everything wrong with their country on the round eyes and the inferior races like the Koreans and Chinese. Just like the nazis, nothing was their fault and they blamed everyone else for their internal problems. The invasion of China was a direct result of that. Once we cut off their access to oil supplies in 1940 that was all they needed to whip the country to a frenzy against Americans.


They literally went insane and it took two Nukes to make them realize they were all fvcked up and needed a national time out.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 14, 2022 08:54 PM (bVYXr)

351 Posted by: McGyver at August 14, 2022 08:53 PM (YbEGd)
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Later, bro!

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 08:54 PM (0IeYL)

352 258 According to my local MD gun store, I can order a gun that comes with mags larger than 10 but when the gun arrives, they cannot give me the mags. However, I can order the larger mags on line or go to VA and buy the larger mags no problem. The MD law simply says mags larger than 10 cannot be sold in MD. However, it is not illegal to own them.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 14, 2022 08:23 PM (Y+l9t)

Laws and the governments that promulgate them are stupid. Surely they have seen a map of MD and know that a drive across the state line is done with ease?

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 14, 2022 08:55 PM (CdZ4i)

353 Cabelas in VA but Bass Pro in MD owned by the same company. The only model available was at the VA store and I wanted to handle it so I went there. Literally the only one anywhere that I checked. The 9mm version is not very available.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 14, 2022 08:55 PM (Y+l9t)

354 Hold on. Who had a PT mat? Did it have the Care Bears on it? I thought grass was a PT mat.
Posted by: Marcus
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Grass? You had grass? We pt'd in dirt and gravel, sometimes mud. I also have no idea what a 'pancho liner' is either.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 14, 2022 08:55 PM (tUVP/)

355 @DB no Cabelas in MD but there is a BassPro. One.

Same company.

Posted by: blaster at August 14, 2022 08:55 PM (6TxNR)

356 Search for Pelican Case Torture Test. You will never buy anything else.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 14, 2022 08:55 PM (voHIS)

357 'They did it because primers have become more sensitive. You can read up why but Lee is very careful about stuff they can get sued over--same as Ruger.'
Cast Boolits and The Firing Line, both sites I greatly respect, define issues with the old-style Auto-Prime as mostly not a problem. Seems they've always been fine with CCI, which is what I'm using, and their only caveat was not to load more than 10 primers in the tray with other brands, which is what I always do. So I think all things considered, for my use the old style is fine. So... Wait, what? $50!!??? For an Auto-Prime!? WTF!

Posted by: LenNeal at August 14, 2022 08:55 PM (43xH1)

358 Maybe I should just get a Pelican case for my normal luggage. Ain't our boxers as important to keep safe as ammo?

Posted by: Pauly Bro'shore at August 14, 2022 08:56 PM (f5YF0)

359 >@DB no Cabelas in MD but there is a BassPro. One.

Same company.

Posted by: blaster


I'm 22 years gone from my home state. Probably wouldn't recognize it now.

Posted by: DB at August 14, 2022 08:57 PM (geLO8)

360 334 Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 14, 2022 08:46 PM (bgJ0E)
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Howdy, bro!
Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 08:49 PM (0IeYL)

Gidday Mr Weasel!
My 2 cents on shooting mats. I use NZ made Ridgeline ones which fold up nice and are thin and fairly waterproof to keep me out of the mud. The trick is to have the sewn in web strap across the front so you can positive load the bipod against that. Really helps with constant shot release. The bipod load, positive, negative or neutral is a factor that a lot of people do not even consider.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 14, 2022 08:58 PM (bgJ0E)

361 The label inside says "3.5 Bullseye, 230 gr LFP .452, Rem 2 1/2"

Sounds like somebody's target handload. LFP means lead, flat point which is sort of the wadcutter for autos. 3.5 grains of Alliant Bullseye is a light target load. .452 is the actual diameter of a .45 ACP bullet.

Posted by: Oddbob at August 14, 2022 08:58 PM (nfrXX)

362 "Grass? You had grass? We pt'd in dirt and gravel, sometimes mud. I also have no idea what a 'pancho liner' is either.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 14, 2022 08:55 PM (tUVP/)"

Poncho liner? That's some Gucci shit no doubt. I thought the liner was a polar shield blanket.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 14, 2022 08:58 PM (voHIS)

363 Posted by: Marcus T at August 14, 2022 08:50 PM (voHIS)

I think FDR deserves a break on this. What build up the USN did in the 1930s, even though it wasn't enough, was sold by FDR to a VERY reluctant Congress primarily as a jobs stimulus program in the midst of the Great Depression. More USN capital ships were a tough sell when some in Congress advocated cutting the Army to less than 50,000 troops to save $$. FDR wanted to build USS Hornet at the same time as USS Yorktown and USS Enterprise but couldn't get that past Congress until the eve of war in 1941. Two more sisters to the USS North Carolina and USS Washington never got off the drawing board because Congress didn't authorize the $$.

Posted by: Ed L at August 14, 2022 08:58 PM (/lmRp)

364 aws and the governments that promulgate them are stupid. Surely they have seen a map of MD and know that a drive across the state line is done with ease?

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August

Well, of course. You can even order online. Just stupid.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 14, 2022 08:58 PM (Y+l9t)

365 339 The airline takes no responsibility for that.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 14, 2022 08:51 PM

Sharon, I own a Pelican that I had bought when I only owned a handgun. The Pelican 1450 case easily fits inside another suitcase. So you can put locks on the Pelican, then lock it inside another suitcase which you lock and no one will be the wiser that you have a Pelican case. Depending on the size of the suitcase you might not be able to put anything else in.

Of course when you check in your suitcase you MUST declare that you have a firearm and they will ask you to open up all the cases so they can view the firearm and make sure everything is hunky dory.

Remember, no magazine in the gun and all magazines are unloaded.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 14, 2022 08:58 PM (fe7in)

366 Grass? You had grass? We pt'd in dirt and gravel, sometimes mud. I also have no idea what a 'pancho liner' is either.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 14, 2022 08:55 PM (tUVP/)

HA! We started PT with a 40 yard low crawl under bobbed wire through frozen mud. Then it got really tough.

Posted by: Javems at August 14, 2022 08:59 PM (QqL7x)

367 .. Is there a Pelican case for handguns that fit in a suitcase? I also worry about stuff getting stolen out of luggage. The airline takes no responsibility for that.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 14, 2022 08:51 PM (Y+l9t)


Yep. Both Pelican & Horror Freight have 'em in that size. Which also co-relates to being the right size for a full 25 count of premium cigars.

For the pistol case, consider passing over the traditional "black" color, and choose the International Orange, Signal Yellow or Safety (neon) Green options. Easier to see IN your outer baggage, and less likely for folks to instantly think: "GUN!" when they see the black case.

And don't load it up in your carry-on bag! Ooops.. Oopsie!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at August 14, 2022 09:00 PM (tkOps)

368 Late reply from 8-8 22 GT

Late reply to Ed L at No. 130 7:50 PM above. I picked up at the FFL my CMP Service Grade Colt 1911 A1 last Tuesday. Frame and Slide are both from Colt, and S/N is 11304XX. Apparently frame is late 1943 build. Finish appears to be like new Parkerizing. It was probably arsenal rebuilt and put into preservation storage. I haven't taken it to the range yet and won't soon. Yesterday was a very bad and expensive day.

"Hello, Weasel and horde!
For the late-late commenter last week who asked about CMP M1911s: What you're getting is a GI M1911/M1911A1 as it was in the 1990s. Most have only an original frame, with a mish mash of parts (OEM and replacement parts) from a wide variety of manufacturers. Most will have gone through an arsenal or depot rebuild three times or more (especially if you have an M1911 frame). The primary asset of the CMP pistols is their provenance. As CMP guns, they are the last M1911s still in US Army/DOD hands save the current M45A1s with the USMC. That means you're getting a pistol that has stayed in military hands for 75+ years or more before you got it ......"

Posted by: Bond in Michigan at August 14, 2022 09:00 PM (hEwF5)

369 The Pelican I bought is a V800.

Posted by: blaster at August 14, 2022 09:00 PM (6TxNR)

370 358 Maybe I should just get a Pelican case for my normal luggage. Ain't our boxers as important to keep safe as ammo?
Posted by: Pauly Bro'shore at August 14, 2022 08:56 PM (f5YF0)


Pelican makes a standard carry-on-sized case with wheels and an extendable pull-handle.

Posted by: Gref at August 14, 2022 09:02 PM (AMIL/)

371 345 Posted by: Oddbob at August 14, 2022 08:52 PM (nfrXX)

Rittenhouse, watch the jackass DA and his antics.

"The good kid turning his life around" can be a honky pedo-bear too...

Posted by: sven at August 14, 2022 09:02 PM (Lzpvj)

372 I'm not a fan of Nazi weapons simply because there's a bizarre premium on weapons with the Hitler stamp. Exact same weapon without it costs less.

This, this. Fucken this.

He gets it.

Also celebrating the fucks guns who shot up our blokes is outrageous in my view. As for those asshoes who collect Nazi daggers and decorations, grrrrrrr.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 14, 2022 09:02 PM (bgJ0E)

373 Won't pull the taffy on this one any more than this, but everyone seriously interested in precisely how Japan got to Pearl Harbor, in the direct concrete short term sense (nothing about this was inevitable), read Eri Hotta's "Japan 1941". She's got a bit on the reversion of the military to different lower standards*, but it's mostly an in-depth examination of the personal and institutional failures that led to Pearl. It's pretty astonishing actually.

* Japan's armed forces were considered exemplary in their treatment of the small number of POWs they captured in their modern conflicts just prior to the military reverting to some barbaric patterns

Posted by: rhomboid at August 14, 2022 09:02 PM (OTzUX)

374 I was thinking about buying the new Walther PDP F series. Almost all are 15 round mags. Gorgeous guns in multiple colors, you know, perfect for an 'Ette. The only one that comes with a 10 rd mag is black. Just black. I already have two black Glocks. I can buy the 15 round gun get it sent to MD to my local dealer but he can't give me the mags. They are about $50 each so an extra $100 bucks because of the stupid law.
So I bought a 1911.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 14, 2022 09:02 PM (Y+l9t)

375 Love Cabela's. Posted by: RedMindBlueState

I am a Sportsman's Warehouse fan. They don't have the reach or scale of the Cabela's / Bass Pro companyk but they always have what I need, the products they stock are very good quality, their prices are quite fair, and because their stars are much smaller, getting in and out them is a breeze.

Posted by: Lost In Space at August 14, 2022 09:02 PM (FF+On)

376 3.5 grains of Alliant Bullseye is a light target load.

Ah, poor form to quote and follow-up on one's own comment but it's worth mentioning that 3.5 gr BE is a light enough load that it may not cycle most 1911s unless they have been set up with a lighter than normal recoil spring. So it won't hurt to try it in yours but don't be surprised if it doesn't eject properly.

Posted by: Oddbob at August 14, 2022 09:02 PM (nfrXX)

377
HA! We started PT with a 40 yard low crawl under bobbed wire through frozen mud. Then it got really tough.
Posted by: Javems
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We only did that at night, when it was raining. and the temp was below 40 deg.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 14, 2022 09:03 PM (tUVP/)

378 363 Posted by: Ed L at August 14, 2022 08:58 PM (/lmRp)

There is a very sane argument that Washington *almost* being legal under the WNT was a net positive because it forced technological gains and did not waste materials or manpower on substandard beefed up cheated up designs.

Posted by: sven at August 14, 2022 09:03 PM (Lzpvj)

379 I paid $90 for a 1-to-4x scope. I am not experienced at distance shooting outside of the army.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 14, 2022 09:04 PM (ybIRR)

380 Rittenhouse, watch the jackass DA and his antics.

I didn't watch every minute of the trial but I don't recall the amount of ammo being mentioned.

Posted by: Oddbob at August 14, 2022 09:04 PM (nfrXX)

381 377
HA! We started PT with a 40 yard low crawl under bobbed wire through frozen mud. Then it got really tough.
Posted by: Javems
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We only did that at night, when it was raining. and the temp was below 40 deg.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 14, 2022 09:03 PM (tUVP/)

Funny but true. At least for a while.

Posted by: Javems at August 14, 2022 09:05 PM (QqL7x)

382 Thanks Jim. Blaster just sent me a link to the orange one and it does look perfect. Also nice that SW doesn't charge for baggage so full size suitcase is no problem.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 14, 2022 09:06 PM (Y+l9t)

383 380 I didn't watch every minute of the trial but I don't recall the amount of ammo being mentioned.

Posted by: Oddbob at August 14, 2022 09:04 PM

IIRC they might have mentioned the amount of ammo the mag held. But they did go on and on about how dangerous Full Metal Jacketed ammo was. Binger would have pee'd himself if Rittenhouse had used hollow point.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 14, 2022 09:07 PM (fe7in)

384 Posted by: Bond in Michigan at August 14, 2022 09:00 PM (hEwF5)

Will you put in the FOIA to trace where it was in the military supply system from the mid-70s on?

Posted by: Ed L at August 14, 2022 09:07 PM (/lmRp)

385 OK one last bit, inspired by Ed L's discussion of the naval treaties.

Prior to ditching the treaties, Japan worked systematically and smartly to find ways they could compensate for the mandated inferiority in capital ship tonnage, the considered the key factor. This took various forms, including becoming masters of night surface actions using excellent optics and highly trained crews. And stand-off engagement tactics using their best-in-the-world torpedo. This paid off bigly in the first 2 years of the war - see the naval battles surrounding the Guadalcanal campaign. Even as the tide inevitably turned against them, for a while, they would do better than they should have, based on that residual superiority in specific tactics.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 14, 2022 09:07 PM (OTzUX)

386 let me know if anyone wants me to bring spent Federal .308 brass cases down to the MoMe. I have close to 100 of them.

[ Horshack_voice ]
Ooh, ooh! Mr. Kotter! Pick me! Pick me
[ /Horshack_voice ]

Posted by: Oddbob at August 14, 2022 09:07 PM (nfrXX)

387 Cast Boolits and The Firing Line, both sites I greatly respect, define issues with the old-style Auto-Prime as mostly not a problem. Seems they've always been fine with CCI, which is what I'm using, and their only caveat was not to load more than 10 primers in the tray with other brands, which is what I always do. So I think all things considered, for my use the old style is fine. So... Wait, what? $50!!??? For an Auto-Prime!? WTF!

Posted by: LenNeal
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I have the old Lee Auto Prime, the XR, and the newest one with the folding tray, press priming equipment and a bench primer. I also use CCI and am comfortable using the old Auto Prime because I am careful with it. The bench primer is better than the two Autoprime replacements though as they are less ergonomic.

Frankfort Armory is making one that I will probably get because it sets the primer depth and uses Lee Autoprime shell holders I believe. About 70 bucks or so.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2022 09:08 PM (CXr4y)

388 380 Posted by: Oddbob at August 14, 2022 09:04 PM (nfrXX)

He mentioned the 30 shot magazine size, he mentioned the power of the weapon, he mentioned merely having it was a provocation....

Binger was a nut, essentially he even made the argument I mocked here and got heat for during the initial reporting on Saint Trayvon of Martin where people pretend that "you have to take your ass beating."

An individual is under no legal compulsion to allow a thug to engage in amateur neuro-surgery.

Posted by: sven at August 14, 2022 09:09 PM (Lzpvj)

389 We only did that at night, when it was raining. and the temp was below 40 deg.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 14, 2022 09:03 PM (tUVP/)

Oh, I must've had the nicest drills. We had campfires and drip-pots to stay warm all night. Though we never got marshmallows, it could've been better.

Posted by: Pauly Bro'shore at August 14, 2022 09:09 PM (f5YF0)

390 Bungee did make a point of the mag capacity.

The way he kept goin on about FMJ just made me laugh. Up to the point that I realized he did that on purpose not because he was dumb.

Posted by: blaster at August 14, 2022 09:09 PM (6TxNR)

391 "Posted by: Ed L at August 14, 2022 08:58 PM (/lmRp)"

Negative. NIRA. Vinson-Trammel. Etc. FDR thought his good neighbor and neutrality posture along with a failure to address any rising threat was the way to go. We got lucky at Pearl. Because if they got our carriers it would have been FDR's fault. In fact the failure to deal realistically with Japan up until that point largely rests on his shoulders. YMMV

Posted by: Marcus T at August 14, 2022 09:10 PM (voHIS)

392 Binger.

Autocorrect is getting agressive.

Posted by: blaster at August 14, 2022 09:10 PM (6TxNR)

393 I am a Sportsman's Warehouse fan. They don't have the reach or scale of the Cabela's / Bass Pro companyk but they always have what I need, the products they stock are very good quality, their prices are quite fair, and because their stars are much smaller, getting in and out them is a breeze.

Posted by: Lost In Space
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Ditto. I have to go a pretty far distance to get to one though. Cabela's is not the store it was before Bass Pro bought them. Bass Pro I can live without.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2022 09:10 PM (CXr4y)

394 386 Posted by: Oddbob at August 14, 2022 09:07 PM

Let me guess, you will have a permission slip signed "Epstein's mother". ;-P

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 14, 2022 09:10 PM (fe7in)

395 What I want is a Kimber custom compact 1911 in .45 in steel.

Right now my carry is a G42. I am proficient with it. I'm better with the Walther PPQ and my RIA 1911. But I can't conceal those full size pistols. I could under a raincoat. But. I want I want I WANT!

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 14, 2022 09:11 PM (U2p+3)

396 345 Counterpoint: If you have to shoot and kill a "good boy who was turning his life around" with that much ammo on hand, you could be accused of being on a hunting expedition.

This sounds like more of that Internet Smart Stuff that sounds reasonable enough but does anyone know of an actual case where this actually happened?
Posted by: Oddbob at August 14, 2022 08:52 PM (nfrXX)
What he was saying was more the norm than not. Thug gets the love, righteous dude gets the hate. Don't forget Kyle Rittenhouse.

Posted by: Eromero at August 14, 2022 09:11 PM (0OP+5)

397 Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 14, 2022 09:02 PM (Y+l9t)

I saw a couple of You Tuber reviews about the Walther PDP-F yesterday. They reviewed the pistol favorably, with the ergonomics of the pistol getting a lot of praise.

Posted by: Ed L at August 14, 2022 09:11 PM (/lmRp)

398 Posted by: nurse ratched at August 14, 2022 09:11 PM (U2p+3)
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Those are nice!

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 09:12 PM (0IeYL)

399 So it won't hurt to try it in yours but don't be surprised if it doesn't eject properly.
Posted by: Oddbob
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Oddbob, thank you so much!

Posted by: screaming in digital at August 14, 2022 09:12 PM (pkAcY)

400 Gotta go, Boss. Future DIL just back from Alaska. Gotta feed her a Bubba Burger!

Posted by: RI Red at August 14, 2022 09:13 PM (lAoHm)

401 What I want is a Kimber custom compact 1911 in .45 in steel.

Right now my carry is a G42. I am proficient with it. I'm better with the Walther PPQ and my RIA 1911. But I can't conceal those full size pistols. I could under a raincoat. But. I want I want I WANT!
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 14, 2022 09:11 PM (U2p+3)

You've convinced me I want one too.

Posted by: Pauly Bro'shore at August 14, 2022 09:13 PM (f5YF0)

402 Those are nice!
Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 09:12 PM (0IeYL)


He says without mentioning...

Don't you have a Custom II in Commander size?

Posted by: blaster at August 14, 2022 09:13 PM (6TxNR)

403 Gunz are good ... I don't know enough about them ... but an old friend, now Facebook friend posts of him shooting a Thompson machine gun at the annual meeting of The American Thompson Festival. He played trumpet in the Army Band. "I need to lean into it a little more" was his last comment ... late 60's, probably not quite as spry as he once was.

I think he owns the Thompson, not sure how much that cost him.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 14, 2022 09:14 PM (Cus5s)

404 I am a Sportsman's Warehouse fan. They don't have the reach or scale of the Cabela's / Bass Pro companyk but they always have what I need, the products they stock are very good quality, their prices are quite fair, and because their stars are much smaller, getting in and out them is a breeze.

Posted by: Lost In Space
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Ditto. I have to go a pretty far distance to get to one though. Cabela's is not the store it was before Bass Pro bought them. Bass Pro I can live without.
Posted by: whig

I have a Sportsman's Warehouse in Las Cruces that is about 1/3 of the way across town (or about 5 minutes by car ). I refuse to add up how much money they have gotten out my wallet.

Posted by: Lost In Space at August 14, 2022 09:14 PM (FF+On)

405 Posted by: RI Red at August 14, 2022 09:13 PM (lAoHm)
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Nite, bro!

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 09:15 PM (0IeYL)

406 Ed, hoping one will turn up at the gun show at the end of September. Right now, no one anywhere nearby has one in stock. The grip is larger than the G48 and trigger pull about the same so I am reluctant to order it without actually handling one.
The only company that even has a selection online is Omaha Outdoors.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 14, 2022 09:15 PM (Y+l9t)

407 Posted by: blaster at August 14, 2022 09:13 PM (6TxNR)
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It's a compact custom or a custom compact. Never can remember!

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 09:15 PM (0IeYL)

408 363 Posted by: Marcus T at August 14, 2022 08:50 PM (voHIS)

I think FDR deserves a break on this. What build up the USN did in the 1930s, even though it wasn't enough, was sold by FDR to a VERY reluctant Congress primarily as a jobs stimulus program in the midst of the Great Depression. More USN capital ships were a tough sell when some in Congress advocated cutting the Army to less than 50,000 troops to save $$. FDR wanted to build USS Hornet at the same time as USS Yorktown and USS Enterprise but couldn't get that past Congress until the eve of war in 1941. Two more sisters to the USS North Carolina and USS Washington never got off the drawing board because Congress didn't authorize the $$.
Posted by: Ed L at August 14, 2022 08:58 PM (/lmRp)
And just think, the ration of thieves was much smaller in the 30s than it is today, which is probably upwards of 85 %.

Posted by: Eromero at August 14, 2022 09:16 PM (0OP+5)

409 Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 09:12 PM (0IeYL)

He says without mentioning...

Don't you have a Custom II in Commander size?
Posted by: blaster at August 14, 2022 09:13 PM (6TxNR)

I feel like I saw it two weeks ago......

Posted by: Pauly Bro'shore at August 14, 2022 09:17 PM (f5YF0)

410 396 345 Counterpoint: If you have to shoot and kill a "good boy who was turning his life around" with that much ammo on hand, you could be accused of being on a hunting expedition.

This sounds like more of that Internet Smart Stuff that sounds reasonable enough but does anyone know of an actual case where this actually happened?
Posted by: Oddbob
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Harold Fish case in Arizona. Guy he shot was a nutjob but since he encountered him on a trail hike, he could not introduce that evidence in court. Used a 10mm pistol (for cougar defense) and accused of being a bloodthirsty monster using a firearm like that.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2022 09:17 PM (CXr4y)

411 Hey Weasel ... another late Sunday for me!

Good day at the range. Spent some time with my Ruger Vaquero. Old .45 long colt ammo that seems to work just fine. It had been caught in a flood ~10+ years ago and I was worried about hang-fires, but all went well and my groups were just fine.

Something about shooting that wonderful SA trigger at small targets. All fist-sized groups at 21 feet.

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at August 14, 2022 09:17 PM (MEbkQ)

412 Have some incentive to get my Florida property going. Florida residency means no state income tax! Anyway, no Cabelas nearby. A Rural King about an hour away. Like a big Tractor Supply but with guns.

Posted by: blaster at August 14, 2022 09:17 PM (6TxNR)

413 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 14, 2022 09:18 PM (Fwj0+)

414 Posted by: SecondCityLurker at August 14, 2022 09:17 PM (MEbkQ)
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Howdy SCL!

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 09:18 PM (0IeYL)

415 Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 14, 2022 09:18 PM (Fwj0+)
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Howdy brother!!

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 09:19 PM (0IeYL)

416 SPONGE!!!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 14, 2022 09:18 PM

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 14, 2022 09:19 PM (fe7in)

417 I think he owns the Thompson, not sure how much that cost him.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 14, 2022 09:14 PM (Cus5s)

Today they run from $25,000.00 up to $50,000.00 depending on condition and accessories.

Invest and have fun!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 14, 2022 09:19 PM (R/m4+)

418 Made it through Atlanta. Chilling at a Chili's in some town short of Agusta.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 14, 2022 09:20 PM (Fwj0+)

419 One of the issues at firing at 20 yards or so is that a person can turn fast enough that the bullet hits them in the back. The greater the distance, the greater the possibility that it happens.

So, you get a hotshot prosecutor that accuses you of hitting a poor critter in the back because you are a blood thirsty monster itching to kill. You should also consider that all your commentary on social media comes into play as well and what you said to 'friends' and so on in person.

This is not to put someone off defending themself but they need to know far more than the letter of the law when an armed encounter happens outside of one's house.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2022 09:20 PM (CXr4y)

420 Hey Weasel ...

Loving the IDPA thread! Very nice intro; I'm envious.

Practice this week here has included one-handed reloads, including using belt, pants and back of shoe to "release" the slide. Very good practice.

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at August 14, 2022 09:20 PM (MEbkQ)

421 I think he owns the Thompson, not sure how much that cost him.

Envy is such an ugly thing. And I wasn't that pretty to begin with.

One of my "ones that got away" stories involves a pristine Colt manufactured Thompson that I saw at a gun show around '95-'96 in its original case with all original accessories for $6500. Of course in those days, there was no way I could have put my hands on that kind of scratch without, um, "disqualifying" myself from owning it, so it wasn't really a "got away" but it still hurts to think about it.

Posted by: Oddbob at August 14, 2022 09:21 PM (nfrXX)

422 When I drive to the farm in Florida I pass by an Ace Hardware that has guns, too.

Posted by: blaster at August 14, 2022 09:21 PM (6TxNR)

423 An El Sponge'o sighting! See you in October, amigo!


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at August 14, 2022 09:21 PM (tkOps)

424 Good day at the range. Spent some time with my Ruger Vaquero. Old .45 long colt ammo that seems to work just fine. It had been caught in a flood ~10+ years ago and I was worried about hang-fires, but all went well and my groups were just fine.

Something about shooting that wonderful SA trigger at small targets. All fist-sized groups at 21 feet.
Posted by: SecondCityLurker at August 14, 2022 09:17 PM (MEbkQ)

Sounds like a good day and glad to hear that the flood didn't damage it. Decent groupings too

Posted by: Pauly Bro'shore at August 14, 2022 09:21 PM (f5YF0)

425 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 14, 2022 09:19 PM (

Lmfao.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 14, 2022 09:21 PM (Fwj0+)

426 Posted by: Marcus T at August 14, 2022 09:10 PM (voHIS)

Agree that FDR carries the ultimate responsibility for failure in the diplomatic arena pre-December 7. But I think Congress also carries some blame as well for not building up the USN more than it did in the 1930s. I find it unlikely that Congress would have approved funds for anything beyond what actually happened until the Vinson Bill actually passed.

Posted by: Ed L at August 14, 2022 09:21 PM (/lmRp)

427
Don't let that friendly expression fool you, WeaselDog is a stone-cold killing machine.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 14, 2022 09:21 PM (1Nxff)

428 I think he owns the Thompson, not sure how much that cost him.

Posted by: illiniwek
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If full auto, serious money. If semi auto conversion such as Numrich made out of surplus parts, still a decent sum. Modern semi auto repro, about what he paid for it.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2022 09:22 PM (CXr4y)

429 Darn straight Jim!!!

Looking forward to it.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 14, 2022 09:22 PM (Fwj0+)

430 I have a Sportsman's Warehouse in Las Cruces that is about 1/3 of the way across town (or about 5 minutes by car ). I refuse to add up how much money they have gotten out my wallet.

Posted by: Lost In Space
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They are nice folks and not Bass Pro overpriced either. They have a decent webpage presence as well which I should probably use more.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2022 09:24 PM (CXr4y)

431 Wesael you be the gun guru but I'm beginning to question your farm hand credentials.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 14, 2022 09:24 PM (wz7Ka)

432 419 Posted by: whig at August 14, 2022 09:20 PM

To bad we don't have something like a dash cam for situations like this. Have to hope that the area the shooting took place in has security camera footage that captures the event.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 14, 2022 09:24 PM (fe7in)

433 BFF gave me a 38 15-20 years ago. Last week they wanted it back to give to someone else. I said no. Now I lost an old friendship. Am I in the wrong? Haven't been able to sleep since.

Posted by: Infidel at August 14, 2022 09:24 PM (mn1Pi)

434 Weasel!

What's shakin' brother?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 14, 2022 09:24 PM (Fwj0+)

435 9:25 thank you time!

Thank you!!!

I really appreciate you all tuning in and hanging out. Y'all are the best!

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 09:25 PM (0IeYL)

436 Kinda upset hubby and I didn't pack our long guns and ammo. Went to Palisades CO for peaches and produce yesterday and passed the Cameo Shooting and Education Complex along I-70.

Posted by: TB24601 at August 14, 2022 09:26 PM (053ci)

437 >BFF gave me a 38 15-20 years ago. Last week they wanted it back to give to someone else. I said no. Now I lost an old friendship. Am I in the wrong? Haven't been able to sleep since.

Posted by: Infidel


you're not wrong- sweet dreams

Posted by: DB at August 14, 2022 09:26 PM (geLO8)

438 425 Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 14, 2022 09:21 PM

Augusta? One of the places that would be on my bucket list. Would love to play a round at Augusta National. Sadly I do not think that will ever happen.

Looking forward to seeing ya in October!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 14, 2022 09:26 PM (fe7in)

439 Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 14, 2022 09:21 PM (1Nxff)
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Word!

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 09:26 PM (0IeYL)

440 422 When I drive to the farm in Florida I pass by an Ace Hardware that has guns, too.

Posted by: blaster at August 14, 2022 09:21 PM


I bet they also carry Stihl chainsaws. You should probably get the chainsaw attachment for your long gun just to piss off Pelosi and Schumer!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 14, 2022 09:27 PM (tkyK5)

441 What's shakin' brother?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 14, 2022 09:24 PM (Fwj0+)
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Not much! Just Gun Thread'n!

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 09:27 PM (0IeYL)

442 Posted by: illiniwek at August 14, 2022 09:14 PM (Cus5s)

If you can afford it (and it's legal where you're at), pick it up. It'll cost as much (or more) than a new car, but unlike a new car, it'll keep appreciating in value as long as you take care of it. Keeping it fed will get expensive, though. It'll be no problem to go through a case of 1000 rounds of .45 ACP in a single range session.

Posted by: Ed L at August 14, 2022 09:27 PM (/lmRp)

443 Hey Whig ...

FWIW, I don't do social media. AoS is one of the few places I post. And my practice is to be very "respectful" of "common sense" and "general sensibility." Wish I knew how to put that better ...

I also make it a rule never to leave home without carrying. I can be queried: "Why were you carrying that day?" And the answer will honestly be "I always carry when I leave home."

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at August 14, 2022 09:27 PM (MEbkQ)

444 Now I lost an old friendship.

I have more guns than friends so I know which I would rather give up. One exception would be granddad's Colt (that was once featured in the gun thread) but that's a very special case.

Posted by: Oddbob at August 14, 2022 09:28 PM (nfrXX)

445 432 419 Posted by: whig at August 14, 2022 09:20 PM

To bad we don't have something like a dash cam for situations like this. Have to hope that the area the shooting took place in has security camera footage that captures the event.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude
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Mixed blessing there. Video can often conceal as much as it illuminates. Remember the video frame by frame analysis and then the magic enhancement allegedly showing Rittenhouse pointing the AR as someone (jury rejected that) in the Rittenhouse trial?

Someone shooting at you might justify a long shot or it may not but you have to be aware of what is beyond the perp shooting at you plus at 20-25 yards, it might be better to laterally move to solid cover or dropping to the dirt.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2022 09:28 PM (CXr4y)

446 435 Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 09:25 PM

Thank YOU Weasel, this thread helps with the Sunday night blues.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 14, 2022 09:28 PM (fe7in)

447 I find that Cabelas is pretty decent in pricing. My FFL got into so he could get dealer prices on Kimbers and he can't beat Cabelas on the pricing for himself with no markup.

I find their Sig prices are cheaper than our other LGSs. I haven't price compared everything but for the things in my interest they've proven cheaper even than Palmetto State when you add shipping and transfer fees.

Posted by: blaster at August 14, 2022 09:29 PM (6TxNR)

448 427 Don't let that friendly expression fool you, WeaselDog is a stone-cold killing machine.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 14, 2022 09:21 PM


The scariest thing about WeaselDog is that he can reach out and touch you at 800 yards.**

(**If he had opposable thumbs you would probably be in grave danger out to 1500 yards!)


Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 14, 2022 09:29 PM (tkyK5)

449 Posted by: Ben Had at August 14, 2022 09:24 PM (wz7Ka)
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Ha! It was really a scientific function test.

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 09:30 PM (0IeYL)

450 BFF gave me a 38 15-20 years ago. Last week they wanted it back to give to someone else. I said no. Now I lost an old friendship. Am I in the wrong? Haven't been able to sleep since.
Posted by: Infidel at August 14, 2022 09:24 PM (mn1Pi)

Don't think that's enough info for me to give a good opinion. Seems a bit odd to ask for a gun back after that long. I'd most likely have given it back if they asked, just because they asked.

Posted by: Pauly Bro'shore at August 14, 2022 09:30 PM (f5YF0)

451 "If full auto, serious money." Posted by: whig

he has put up the full auto video of him firing it multiple times (on multiple occassions). Not sure when he acquired it, I could ask but don't want to put myself in the Glo*gl* algorithm of death ... ha.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 14, 2022 09:30 PM (Cus5s)

452 When I drive to the farm in Florida I pass by an Ace Hardware that has guns, too.
Posted by: blaster at August 14, 2022 09:21 PM (6TxNR)

As a ute me and my pals would hike a few miles into town to ogle the rifles on display at the local Ace Hardware.

We used to stop at a large pond on the way to drink and cool off then up and at it.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 14, 2022 09:30 PM (R/m4+)

453 443 Hey Whig ...

FWIW, I don't do social media. AoS is one of the few places I post. And my practice is to be very "respectful" of "common sense" and "general sensibility." Wish I knew how to put that better ...

I also make it a rule never to leave home without carrying. I can be queried: "Why were you carrying that day?" And the answer will honestly be "I always carry when I leave home."

Posted by: SecondCityLurker
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No problem with any of that and comment was not so much directed at you but other keyboard commandos. As a defendant, ANYTHING you said to anyone that is not privileged (lawyer, spouse, etc) is fair game and lawyers now make it a point to troll social media for inflammatory statements. That is why I try to warn folks.

Self defense is a really thorny area of the law because what is reasonable has to both meet the caselaw in a state but also the perceptions of the jury box where one is tried.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2022 09:31 PM (CXr4y)

454 Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 09:25 PM (0IeYL)

Thanks for hosting, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at August 14, 2022 09:31 PM (/lmRp)

455 433 BFF gave me a 38 15-20 years ago. Last week they wanted it back to give to someone else. I said no. Now I lost an old friendship. Am I in the wrong? Haven't been able to sleep since.
Posted by: Infidel at August 14, 2022 09:24 PM (mn1Pi)
I give something to somebody it's theirs. Would it bother me if they gave it away? Maybe it would but that would be on me more than them. I have to answer up for me.

Posted by: Eromero at August 14, 2022 09:31 PM (0OP+5)

456 445 Posted by: whig at August 14, 2022 09:28 PM

I do remember. The prosecutors did everything in their power to make it look like this event stretched for a long time.
Defense just had to play to videos at normal speed to show how quick everything was happening. If anything it showed Kyle did a damn good job.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 14, 2022 09:31 PM (fe7in)

457 Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 09:25 PM (0IeYL)

Thanks for another great thread Weeeeeeeeeaaaassseeellll!

Posted by: Pauly Bro'shore at August 14, 2022 09:31 PM (f5YF0)

458 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 14, 2022 09:28 PM (fe7in)
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Happy to do it, bud.

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 09:32 PM (0IeYL)

459 433 BFF gave me a 38 15-20 years ago. Last week they wanted it back to give to someone else. I said no. Now I lost an old friendship. Am I in the wrong? Haven't been able to sleep since.
Posted by: Infidel

Hmmm. A real friend doesn't give you something and then ask for it back 15 years later. That's just fake.

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 14, 2022 09:33 PM (U2p+3)

460 Scuba. We'll drive by it tomorrow and drool.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 14, 2022 09:33 PM (Fwj0+)

461 424 Pauly Bro'shore

Thanks! The Vaquero is such a pleasure to shoot. I'm lucky to have found an older case-hardened model. A real treat ... and finding that all that old ammo still works!

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at August 14, 2022 09:33 PM (MEbkQ)

462 Posted by: Ed L at August 14, 2022 09:31 PM (/lmRp)
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My pleasure!

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 09:33 PM (0IeYL)

463 Posted by: Pauly Bro'shore at August 14, 2022 09:31 PM (f5YF0)
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Thanks for participating!

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 09:34 PM (0IeYL)

464 I do remember. The prosecutors did everything in their power to make it look like this event stretched for a long time.
Defense just had to play to videos at normal speed to show how quick everything was happening. If anything it showed Kyle did a damn good job.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude
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Yes it did. But imagine if Kyle had been tried in Chicago or Milwaukee instead of Kenosha. They might have bought the silly prosecutor's side analysis of the video. That is why video can be two sided sword. Then there is problems with perspective scoping, what is left out of the frame, debris/unclean lens, night time (like the camera in question), and so on.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2022 09:35 PM (CXr4y)

465 Sponge..so jealous.

I should find out what it takes to see the Masters played their. Be a good runner up to playing the course.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 14, 2022 09:35 PM (fe7in)

466 Late thanks. Hope you have a nice week ahead Weasel (and Weasel Dawgs).

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2022 09:36 PM (CXr4y)

467 453 Whig: Self defense is a really thorny area of the law because what is reasonable has to both meet the caselaw in a state but also the perceptions of the jury box where one is tried.

Amen to that wisdom. Those of us living in Blue States really need to pay attention.

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at August 14, 2022 09:36 PM (MEbkQ)

468 Posted by: whig at August 14, 2022 09:36 PM (CXr4y)
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Nite whig! Thanks as always.

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 09:36 PM (0IeYL)

469 Self defense is a really thorny area of the law because what is reasonable has to both meet the caselaw in a state but also the perceptions of the jury box where one is tried.
Posted by: whig at August 14, 2022 09:31 PM (CXr4y)


And it doesn't even have to do with shooting. Recall that Binger brought up KRs instagram that had fourdoorsmorewhores which is kind of a funny thing that people say about 4 door cars which aren't as cool as two doors and he had a quote from someone "I'm just tryna be famous ".

Anything that can be made to make you look bad will be used by the opposition

Posted by: blaster at August 14, 2022 09:36 PM (6TxNR)

470 "Someone shooting at you might justify a long shot or it may not but you have to be aware of what is beyond the perp shooting at you plus at 20-25 yards, it might be better to laterally move to solid cover or dropping to the dirt."

great advice, but what I find fascinating is how perfect Rittenhouse was. It is amazing ... imo he had grounds to shoot when that guy aimed his gun at him, but did not fire. Then the guy retreats for a better position, only then did Rittenhouse "disarm" him. ... (yet still, the
Soros Ag Mafiosi tried to destroy the obviously innocent)

Posted by: illiniwek at August 14, 2022 09:36 PM (Cus5s)

471 Yes it did. But imagine if Kyle had been tried in Chicago or Milwaukee instead of Kenosha. They might have bought the silly prosecutor's side analysis of the video. That is why video can be two sided sword. Then there is problems with perspective scoping, what is left out of the frame, debris/unclean lens, night time (like the camera in question), and so on.
Posted by: whig at August 14, 2022 09:35 PM (CXr4y)

I was so worried for Kyle even with the Kenosha jury. He went through hell in that trial that should never have happened.

Posted by: Pauly Bro'shore at August 14, 2022 09:36 PM (f5YF0)

472 G'night all
Thanks Weasel.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 14, 2022 09:37 PM (Y+l9t)

473 Thanks again Weasel ...

One of these nights I'll be on-time. Will try to send some pics for a range report next week. All the advice from last week was more than helpful, so payback is in order.

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at August 14, 2022 09:37 PM (MEbkQ)

474 447 I find that Cabelas is pretty decent in pricing. My FFL got into so he could get dealer prices on Kimbers and he can't beat Cabelas on the pricing for himself with no markup.

I find their Sig prices are cheaper than our other LGSs. I haven't price compared everything but for the things in my interest they've proven cheaper even than Palmetto State when you add shipping and transfer fees.

Posted by: blaster
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I rarely buy new guns and specifically not most of the current polymer types. Have all of them I want.

So, I am going by ammo, reloading supplies, used firearms, cleaning supplies, scopes, and so on. Cabelas used to excel at that sort of material.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2022 09:38 PM (CXr4y)

475 I had to look up a sickle bar mower.

Sheesh!

Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2022 09:38 PM (anj39)

476 Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 14, 2022 09:37 PM (Y+l9t)
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Nite sharon!

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 09:39 PM (0IeYL)

477 One of these nights I'll be on-time. Will try to send some pics for a range report next week. All the advice from last week was more than helpful, so payback is in order.
Posted by: SecondCityLurker at August 14, 2022 09:37 PM (MEbkQ)

Pics! Or we'll be forever curious about the tale of the flood-drowned Vaquero!

Posted by: Pauly Bro'shore at August 14, 2022 09:39 PM (f5YF0)

478 Posted by: SecondCityLurker at August 14, 2022 09:37 PM (MEbkQ)
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No worries! Thanks for being here.

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 09:40 PM (0IeYL)

479 great advice, but what I find fascinating is how perfect Rittenhouse was. It is amazing ... imo he had grounds to shoot when that guy aimed his gun at him, but did not fire. Then the guy retreats for a better position, only then did Rittenhouse "disarm" him. ... (yet still, the
Soros Ag Mafiosi tried to destroy the obviously innocent)

Posted by: illiniwek
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Poised well beyond his years and I hope that Kenosha notoriety does not wreck his future life. One shot basically ended Zimmerman's life as he knew it.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2022 09:40 PM (CXr4y)

480 I think it's important to carry a non lethal self defense tool as well. Like pepper spray. Then you can make the snap decision. Can I get away safely by spraying this person in the face, or do I need to shoot them? Are there more that one attackers? How can I mitigate harm to bystanders? What is behind my attackers? A wall or more people?

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 14, 2022 09:40 PM (U2p+3)

481 Thank you Weasel and Horde!

Now I gotta go clean up the mess I made and repack the range bag to get out next weekend. My friend and I may have found a new shootin' buddy!

Posted by: screaming in digital at August 14, 2022 09:40 PM (pkAcY)

482 477 Pics! Or we'll be forever curious about the tale of the flood-drowned Vaquero!

IOU!

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at August 14, 2022 09:41 PM (MEbkQ)

483 475 I had to look up a sickle bar mower.

Sheesh!

Posted by: Diogenes
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They are particularly useful for slopes and ditchbanks among other things.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2022 09:41 PM (CXr4y)

484 I had to look up a sickle bar mower.

Sheesh!
Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2022 09:38 PM (anj39)
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They're pretty wicked. The John Deere guy wasn't sure he wanted to sell it to me, and told me to go around the county to look at all the old farmers with no fingers.

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 09:41 PM (0IeYL)

485 BFF gave me a 38 15-20 years ago. Last week they wanted it back to give to someone else. I said no. Now I lost an old friendship. Am I in the wrong? Haven't been able to sleep since. Posted by: Infidel

After 15-20 years the reclaiming period (formerly known as the indian giving period) has long expired. So no, telling your BFF to piss off is completely reasonable. I am surprised that such a request was made. As for the how you are responding to this outcome, I can't begin to offer you advice, too personal.

Posted by: Lost In Space at August 14, 2022 09:42 PM (FF+On)

486 480 I think it's important to carry a non lethal self defense tool as well. Like pepper spray. Then you can make the snap decision. Can I get away safely by spraying this person in the face, or do I need to shoot them? Are there more that one attackers? How can I mitigate harm to bystanders? What is behind my attackers? A wall or more people? Posted by: nurse ratched
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I would say that you are probably more prepared than almost all the commenters on this board from situations that you have already mastered. But, your preplanning and training makes a big difference in going home at the end of the day. Good post.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2022 09:43 PM (CXr4y)

487 Posted by: illiniwek at August 14, 2022 09:30 PM (Cus5s)

If you are serious about picking up a Thompson SMG, find out what model (M1921 (OG TSMG), M1928/1928A1, M1/M1A1, or post-war) it is. If it's a M1921 TSMG, I recommend getting "Colt Thompson Submachine Gun Serial Numbers and Histories" by Gordon Herigstad. This massive two volume book has, among other things, a full listing of every M1921 TSMG made by serial number, and, where known, who it was sold to and its ultimate fate. It's out of print now, and probably costs several hundred dollars. But if you're going to drop as much as $40k plus on a real M1921 TSMG, it's a cheap (relatively) way to research what provenance a specific gun might have.

Posted by: Ed L at August 14, 2022 09:43 PM (/lmRp)

488 The texas MoMe is not something you want to miss.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at August 14, 2022 09:43 PM (VwHCD)

489 485 BFF gave me a 38 15-20 years ago. Last week they wanted it back to give to someone else. I said no. Now I lost an old friendship. Am I in the wrong? Haven't been able to sleep since. Posted by: Infidel

After 15-20 years the reclaiming period (formerly known as the indian giving period) has long expired. So no, telling your BFF to piss off is completely reasonable. I am surprised that such a request was made. As for the how you are responding to this outcome, I can't begin to offer you advice, too personal.

Posted by: Lost In Space
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Depends on how you value them as a friend. Would not be surprised if someone in that person's family wanted the firearm.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2022 09:44 PM (CXr4y)

490 Scuba. It's $3000 and there's a waiting list.

I won't get there.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 14, 2022 09:44 PM (Fwj0+)

491 484 I had to look up a sickle bar mower.

Sheesh!
Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2022 09:38 PM (anj39)
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They're pretty wicked. The John Deere guy wasn't sure he wanted to sell it to me, and told me to go around the county to look at all the old farmers with no fingers.
Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 09:41 PM (0IeYL)
Never worked on a sickle bar but have replaced teeth on a 20 foot grain header. Yep, cut a finger every time.

Posted by: Eromero at August 14, 2022 09:44 PM (0OP+5)

492 They are particularly useful for slopes and ditchbanks among other things.
Posted by: whig at August 14, 2022 09:41 PM (CXr4y)
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But not so great with trees.

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 09:44 PM (0IeYL)

493 As to carrying a gun all the time...
Just keep in mind the Luby's shooting in Texas in 1991. The one woman who left her gun in her car because it wasn't legal to carry it into the restaurant. That guy killed 23 people with NO ONE who could shoot back until the cops showed up.

As to why...
She mentions her stepkids - "if their lives are in danger I don't want to be helpless." If you're carrying for that sort of reason, I'll ask: Have you taught them to swim? Have you taken a good first aid class? (And had them take one if they're older?) Have you learned/taught them basic mechanics and auto care? (Maybe controversial one: Have you taught them how to fight?)
Because guns aren't the solution to all situations where people's lives are in danger.

Posted by: GWB at August 14, 2022 09:45 PM (sJlmF)

494 I made it under 500

Posted by: GWB at August 14, 2022 09:45 PM (sJlmF)

495 Can I get away safely by spraying this person in the face, or do I need to shoot them? Are there more that one attackers? How can I mitigate harm to bystanders? What is behind my attackers? A wall or more people?

Sounds like you've thought about this a lot. Which is what everyone should do and will serve you well in the hopefully-never-event that you need to explain yourself in court.

Posted by: Oddbob at August 14, 2022 09:45 PM (nfrXX)

496 384 Posted by: Bond in Michigan at August 14, 2022 09:00 PM (hEwF5)

Will you put in the FOIA to trace where it was in the military supply system from the mid-70s on?

Probably, but not in the near future. I have a lot of other problems that require my attention. Have you ever done this? How is it done?

Posted by: Bond in Michigan at August 14, 2022 09:45 PM (hEwF5)

497 Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at August 14, 2022 09:43 PM (VwHCD)
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Howdy, man!

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 09:45 PM (0IeYL)

498 They're pretty wicked. The John Deere guy wasn't sure he wanted to sell it to me, and told me to go around the county to look at all the old farmers with no fingers.
Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 09:41 PM (0IeYL)

Heh.
Growing up on the little farm my 'ol man had a tractor. And he hated every time he had to use the PTO.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2022 09:46 PM (anj39)

499 But not so great with trees.

Posted by: Weasel

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We had one for cleaning up the place along with bushhogs and a Woods mower. My dad's workers liked messing up the sickle blade by hitting pipes or other debris when mowing that required my dad to fix it again.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2022 09:46 PM (CXr4y)

500 Thank you, whig.
I just got my CPL in the mail this last week. I am carrying more and more. My workplace does not allow guns on campus. So. When I need protection the most, I am the most limited.

They call it "concealed carry " for a reason, right?

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 14, 2022 09:46 PM (U2p+3)

501 492 They are particularly useful for slopes and ditchbanks among other things.
Posted by: whig at August 14, 2022 09:41 PM (CXr4y)
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But not so great with trees.

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 09:44 PM


Everyone knows that you never put a sickle bar mower on your tractor that doesn't start with at least a "4"!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 14, 2022 09:47 PM (tkyK5)

502 490 Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 14, 2022 09:44 PM

I signed up to be in the lottery for the 2024 tournament. Cheapest way from what I can see. If I win that lottery.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 14, 2022 09:47 PM (fe7in)

503 You know Weasel, those sickle bars make a pretty good self defense weapon! Might be kind of hard to conceal the tractor!

Posted by: Rancherbob at August 14, 2022 09:48 PM (gtu9W)

504 Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at August 14, 2022 09:43 PM (VwHCD)
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Howdy, man!

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 09:45 PM (0IeYL)

Hey!

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at August 14, 2022 09:48 PM (VwHCD)

505 500 Thank you, whig.
I just got my CPL in the mail this last week. I am carrying more and more. My workplace does not allow guns on campus. So. When I need protection the most, I am the most limited.

They call it "concealed carry " for a reason, right?

Posted by: nurse ratched
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Don't ask nor tell. Seems to be a lot of nutjobs trying for mass mayhem all of a sudden.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2022 09:48 PM (CXr4y)

506 Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2022 09:46 PM (anj39)
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I recently invested in a little satellite GPS SOS thing since I'm usually down there operating that stuff solo, and cel phones won't always work.

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 09:48 PM (0IeYL)

507 I would like to take 2 bolt actions to texas. I really...really have to check out the laws to see if thats even possible.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at August 14, 2022 09:48 PM (VwHCD)

508 503 You know Weasel, those sickle bars make a pretty good self defense weapon! Might be kind of hard to conceal the tractor!

Posted by: Rancherbob at August 14, 2022 09:48 PM


Yes, your Honor, I was just aiming for his legs!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 14, 2022 09:49 PM (tkyK5)

509 "If you are serious about picking up a Thompson SMG, find out what model" Posted by: Ed L

No, I am not looking to buy one, just cool that my old friend has one. .. but thanks for the advice, which others here might glean from.

imo we have to win this current war on .. the internet, or in the Zeitgeist opinion wars. I guess there are other fronts, but the propaganda wars seem to be "front line".

Posted by: illiniwek at August 14, 2022 09:50 PM (Cus5s)

510 They call it "concealed carry " for a reason, right?
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 14, 2022 09:46 PM (U2p+3)


This.
I no longer care what the store's policy is. It's concealed. They don't know, and I don't tell.
My only exception is going into a bar.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2022 09:50 PM (anj39)

511 Posted by: whig at August 14, 2022 09:46 PM (CXr4y)
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I use mine to cut in the 90 degree up position taking care of vegetation on the sides of my road which is about a mile long. Great implement, but wicked.

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 09:51 PM (0IeYL)

512 507 I would like to take 2 bolt actions to texas. I really...really have to check out the laws to see if thats even possible.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division
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You have an advantage in that you are already starting out in one of the strictest states on firearms but avoid any route going through DC.

Handgunlaws.us has decent up to date information (and it includes long arms as well).

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2022 09:51 PM (CXr4y)

513 508 503 You know Weasel, those sickle bars make a pretty good self defense weapon! Might be kind of hard to conceal the tractor!

Posted by: Rancherbob at August 14, 2022 09:48 PM

Yes, your Honor, I was just aiming for his legs!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 14, 2022 09:49 PM (tkyK5)
'What are you going to do with that lawnmower blade?'

Posted by: Eromero at August 14, 2022 09:51 PM (0OP+5)

514 507 Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at August 14, 2022 09:48 PM

Are you flying or driving? For flying we were discussing Pelican cases above.

If you are driving you should have no problem if you travel with them unloaded, locked in a case or bag and the ammo apart from it. That is what I do.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 14, 2022 09:52 PM (fe7in)

515
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 14, 2022 09:47 PM (tkyK5)
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Mine starts with a 5!

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 09:52 PM (0IeYL)

516 Posted by: Rancherbob at August 14, 2022 09:48 PM (gtu9W)
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Excellent point!

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 09:53 PM (0IeYL)

517 I would like to take 2 bolt actions to texas. I really...really have to check out the laws to see if thats even possible.

You're driving, yes? Should be no problem. Avoid MA if you can and if you can't, don't stop until you're out. And maybe consider driving "inconspicuously" IYKWIMAITTYD.

Posted by: Oddbob at August 14, 2022 09:53 PM (nfrXX)

518 Posted by: Bond in Michigan at August 14, 2022 09:45 PM (hEwF5)

Go to the 1911 Forum and search "FOIA" under the "USGI/Foreign Military and Other Vintage 1911s" message board. There are several threads which explain the exact process on how to get and submit the FOIA request to the powers that be.

I haven't done it myself because I don't have any CMP 1911s. But I read a lot of the threads on the 1911 forum because there's a bunch of info about historic 1911s, especially US military ones.

Posted by: Ed L at August 14, 2022 09:53 PM (/lmRp)

519 I use mine to cut in the 90 degree up position taking care of vegetation on the sides of my road which is about a mile long. Great implement, but wicked.

Posted by: Weasel
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Umm, about 45 degrees was about the most we used it other than traveling from one place to another with it.

The tree guys have something pretty amazing though to get clear branches etc. up high from roadways. They cut back my trees every so often from teh right of way.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2022 09:53 PM (CXr4y)

520 I recently invested in a little satellite GPS SOS thing since I'm usually down there operating that stuff solo, and cel phones won't always work.
Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 09:48 PM (0IeYL)

A very good idea!

Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2022 09:53 PM (anj39)

521 I use mine to cut in the 90 degree up position taking care of vegetation on the sides of my road which is about a mile long. Great implement, but wicked.

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 09:51 PM


Dang. Too bad ammo prices got so high you couldn't use the alternative "Weasel Farms" method of cutting down offending vegetation!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 14, 2022 09:53 PM (tkyK5)

522 ..I would like to take 2 bolt actions to texas. I really...really have to check out the laws to see if thats even possible. Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at August 14, 2022 09:48 PM (VwHCD)

Check into whether this might help, or not?

Pull the bolts and mail 'em to me here. I'll bring 'em to the Ranch. That way, you're transporting non-fireables, maybe it's enough to alter the risk?


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at August 14, 2022 09:54 PM (tkOps)

523 506 Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 09:48 PM

I also heard you can fire 3 shots into the air to signal you are in trouble. ;-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 14, 2022 09:55 PM (fe7in)

524 Mine starts with a 5!

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 09:52 PM


You probably just needed a double-tap to take out that pine tree in that case!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 14, 2022 09:55 PM (tkyK5)

525 Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 14, 2022 09:53 PM (tkyK5)
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Not nearly as fun, though!

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 09:56 PM (0IeYL)

526 Nood

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 14, 2022 09:57 PM (fe7in)

527 92 I bought the gun in VA but they are going to ship it to their MD store no charge and no transfer fee. I probably won;t have it for a bit becaue once it arrives in MD and I fill out the paperwork, I'll then have to wait 7 days. My only complaint is the rough grip. I am looking to replace it with a smooth one. Tryiing to decide between Matte black or faux pearl. It is a very handsome gun and I can't wait to shoot it.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 14, 2022 07:35 PM (Y+l9t)


Congrats, {{{sharon}}}!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at August 14, 2022 09:57 PM (v23vE)

528 If you are driving you should have no problem if you travel with them unloaded, locked in a case or bag and the ammo apart from it. That is what I do.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 14, 2022 09:52 PM (fe7in)

If it's just an unloaded thing I'll dismantle the damn things for extra measure.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at August 14, 2022 09:57 PM (VwHCD)

529 FOPA, the Firearms Owners Protection Act works but NJ has been a PITA to others traveling through there by arguing you have to go straight through without getting gas, bathroom, etc. in order not to be charged.

FOPA requires that you have a locked case, the firearm be unloaded, and the ammunition is separate from the firearm. That means it is not readily accessible. Separating the bolts from the rifles would be an additional step but not necessary under FOPA.

That being said, federal law is supposed to trump state law but some states have turned FOPA into a guessing game as to whether they would be charged or not. NJ is one of them, DC and NYC as well. Understand IL can also be quite rude.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2022 09:58 PM (CXr4y)

530 507 Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at August 14, 2022 09:48 PM

Are you flying or driving? For flying we were discussing Pelican cases above.

If you are driving you should have no problem if you travel with them unloaded, locked in a case or bag and the ammo apart from it. That is what I do.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude

This gets complicated in a SUV since there is no locking trunk. It seems obvious if you have the firearm locked in a case and the ammo in a differed locked case you should be fine. The problem is what the definition of separate is in a particular jurisdiction.

Posted by: Lost In Space at August 14, 2022 09:58 PM (FF+On)

531 OK, ONT is up!

Thanks again and hope to see you all here again next Sunday! Goodnight!

Posted by: Weasel at August 14, 2022 09:58 PM (0IeYL)

532 Tryiing to decide between Matte black or faux pearl.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 14, 2022 07:35 PM (Y+l9t)

Only a two-bit New Orleans pimp carries a pearl-handled pistol.

Posted by: George Patton at August 14, 2022 09:58 PM (sJlmF)

533 the cool thing is that repairing a sickle bar mower has been made much easier by multiple YouTube videos on the subject. I like that, but too bad they became a censoring monopoly on political subjects.

My base level understanding is the sickle bar has guards to stop bigger items like 3" trees from entering the cutters. AND the design (presumably) makes small easily repairable things break before Big Things break. .. But I have things to repair right now, so ... will let Weasel figure it out.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 14, 2022 09:58 PM (Cus5s)

534 Good night all. 4:30 came very early this morning.

Posted by: Rancherbob at August 14, 2022 09:59 PM (gtu9W)

535 Goodnite all.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2022 09:59 PM (CXr4y)

536 Posted by: nurse ratched at August 14, 2022 09:46 PM (U2p+3)

I don't usually carry because I have to go places where the USMC provides security. When Marines have M4s from Colt/FN/Benelli pulling security, bringing a CCW pistol to their security perimeter isn't smart.

Posted by: Ed L at August 14, 2022 10:00 PM (/lmRp)

537 Had to step away and bury some lambs. Sigh...
I hate that, really gives me a hard time dealing with it. Got a little one and a blind one in the house to keep warm. They may not make it.
Anyhoo, the good news is my full auto AK which had been welded at muzzle and chamber has now been chamber reamed and the bore is mint. Will put it back together today, that if the rear sight block wants to go back on. Barrel is easy, sight block was heat , 10 ton press, more heat and finally me using the biggest hammer in the workshop to get off. Another gun lives!

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 14, 2022 10:00 PM (bgJ0E)

538 I amuse myself with the thought of Jim SND getting stopped by a cop on the way to the MoMe.

"Sir, do you have a firearms in the vehicle?"

"Do you need an itemized list or is a rough estimate good enough?"

Posted by: Oddbob at August 14, 2022 10:03 PM (nfrXX)

539 529: when I drove from OH back to TX two years ago I went the long way around IL just for this reason.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 14, 2022 10:19 PM (CdZ4i)

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