Biden Creates 87,000 New Offices to Swarm and Harass the Citizenry and Eat Them Out of Substance

Even bootlicking Caesarist Regime defender AllahPundit has a problem with Biden hiring 87,000 new tax lawyers to audit the lifeblood out of the middle class. As one Trusted Insider said of Biden, "He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance."

The left is taking a bizarre stance: If you haven't committed any crime, you... shouldn't worry about cops demanding, on penalty of fine and imprisonmen, that you answer their questions and show them your papers.

Does this thinking extend to all law enforcement or just the swarms of Officers sent out to eat out the substance of the people?

Adam Markowitz
@adammarkowitzEA
All of my GOP friends who are worried about 87,000 IRS enforcement agents coming after the little guy... How about just don't cheat on tax returns? A fully truthful and accurate tax return is bulletproof in an audit. I never understood the fear of an IRS audit. Don't lie. Period.

"Can you understand how 87,000 new IRS agents would scare the heck out of millions of Americans?"

Democrat Sen. Ben Cardin: "If there's no reason to be fearful, and if you paid your taxes and if you complied with our laws, you should want to make sure everyone else does that." pic.twitter.com/xRwSes2CrC
— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) August 7, 2022

Will the US government be providing government-paid public tax defenders to assist and council people during the millions of new coming audits, or will they be expected to bear the burden themselves?

As even the Washington Post admits, the IRS will not be targeting major corporations and rich people. Their tax returns are professionally prepared and have tax lawyers on retainer to defend them.

No, they'll be squeezing the people who can't afford to hire tax lawyers or spend hundreds of hours fighting with the IRS, the people who will just fold and send the IRS more money.

They intend to squeeze the Middle Class for every g**damn drop of blood they have:

The idea is that the government could bring in more money by examining corporate and high-income returns than it does by pursuing lower- or middle-income taxpayers who make mistakes on their returns or underpay their taxes by small amounts. The IRS in recent years has grown more dependent on those types of audits because they are relatively inexpensive: They're automated, and they preserve the agency's limited personnel resources. But they also mostly fall on taxpayers who can't afford to fight back by spending hours on the phone with the tax agency or hiring lawyers.
The result is that the IRS's prolific enforcement capabilities -- which bring in on average better than $10 in revenue for every $1 spent pursuing audits -- are often trained on the most economically vulnerable taxpayers.
More than half of the agency's audits in 2021 were directed at taxpayers with incomes less than $75,000, according to IRS data. More than 4 in 10 of its audits targeted recipients of the earned income tax credit, one of the country's main anti-poverty measures.

"Let's go after sophisticated taxpayers with armies of accountants and lawyers"

*years of costly litigation with diminishing returns*
*congressional pressure to improve returns on enforcement spending*

"Let's go after the normies"
— Scott Lincicome (@scottlincicome) August 7, 2022

If they harass you enough, and threaten you hard enough, you'll be willing to help them make their quota and send the government more of your money, even though the government has no right to it.

This is "Inflation Reduction," remember.

Oh wait -- don't remember that. Forget that, in fact.

The bill was sold as the "Inflation Reduction Act" but if The Regime keeps calling it that, the voters might expect inflation to be reduced in the coming months, and accuse The Regime of lying when inflation does not abate.

So The Regime is now attempting to Memory-Hole the Act's supposed "Inflation Reduction" nature, by refusing it to call it that -- by calling it everything but that.

This doesn't happen just by coincidence -- this is the Biden Administration calling the media and telling them, "Now it's time to start rebranding the "Inflation Reduction Act" as about everything except reducing inflation.

Update: I want to see Nancy Pelosi and Paul Pelosi audited.

Eric Matheny

@EricMMatheny

To prove to the American people that audits are nothing to be afraid of, every Member of Congress should submit to one. First up, those who have served 30 years or more.

Update: The GOP tried to restrict the 87,000 new swarming substance-eaters to only auditing major corporations and the rich, as the Democrats claimed they were hired to do.

The Democrats defeated this amendment on a party line vote:

Crapo amendment to the Manchin bill to limit the bill's 87,000 new IRS agents to auditing comapnes and individuals with income of $400,000 or more FAILED 50-50.https://t.co/oPKr11BAYw pic.twitter.com/mH4wuMsmJ4
— Phil Kerpen (@kerpen) August 7, 2022

@kerpen
To be clear, this amendment would have given teeth to the false promise from Dems that the EXPANSION would not target below 400K.
Existing IRS agents would still exist, so the lie/excuse from Twitter liberals that this was understate-your-income, get-out-of-audit-free fails.

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1
ESPONJA!!!

Posted by: AltonJackson at August 08, 2022 01:12 PM (ENBF0)

2 Such a provocative title. Italican in nature.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 01:12 PM (LvTSG)

3 Leaving out the thread title is saving energy!

Posted by: micky at August 08, 2022 01:13 PM (3byMq)

4 Top 10!!!

Posted by: Greyman27 at August 08, 2022 01:13 PM (RKLPC)

5 It's as if Democrats never dealt with the IRS. Oh. Wait.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 08, 2022 01:13 PM (mSy8I)

6 The left is taking a bizarre stance: If you haven't committed any crime, you... shouldn't worry about cops demanding, on penalty of fine and imprisonment, that you answer their questions and show them your papers.

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I remember when they took this attitude under Trump.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 01:13 PM (LvTSG)

7 Top ten!

Posted by: Squid at August 08, 2022 01:13 PM (XJ0So)

8 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 08, 2022 01:13 PM (Zz0t1)

9 In a just world they would send half of these agents to look into the affairs of Never Trumpers. A man can still dream, right?

Posted by: Ripley at August 08, 2022 01:14 PM (MxEKc)

10 IRS or Stasi

Is there a difference?

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 08, 2022 01:14 PM (VAnv2)

11 IBS >>>>>>>>>> IRS

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 08, 2022 01:14 PM (atmen)

12 Adam Markowitz
@adammarkowitzEA
All of my GOP friends who are worried about 87,000 IRS enforcement agents coming after the little guy... How about just don't cheat on tax returns? A fully truthful and accurate tax return is bulletproof in an audit. I never understood the fear of an IRS audit. Don't lie. Period.

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I've never understood the fear of a federal register of laws so voluminous not even the federal government knows where it begins and ends.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 01:15 PM (LvTSG)

13 Inflation is most often caused by a lack of armed tax collectors. Everybody knows this to be a fact. Duh!

Posted by: Squid at August 08, 2022 01:15 PM (XJ0So)

14 The process is the punishment. The IRS is gonna start doing more and more "random" audits and the $5,000 to defend yourself when your return is accurate will be the pound of flesh you pay in addition to taxes. Or you will settle with them because you cannot afford to retain a CPA and defend the audit.

Posted by: Penfold at August 08, 2022 01:15 PM (Fbt5B)

15 Every member of Congress should be audited.

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 08, 2022 01:15 PM (4ThdF)

16 More than half of the agency's audits in 2021 were directed at taxpayers with incomes less than $75,000, according to IRS data. More than 4 in 10 of its audits targeted recipients of the earned income tax credit, one of the progressive's main anti-poverty measures.

Posted by: rhennigantx at August 08, 2022 01:15 PM (BRHaw)

17 ' squeeze the Middle Class for every g**damn drop of blood they have'

Ace likens democrats to ticks, leeches and vampires. (Consults Venn diagram and finds solid circle).
Checks out.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 08, 2022 01:15 PM (a1ycR)

18 Raise your hand if you think any of the IRS will be looking into the Biden crime Family....

Posted by: It's me donna at August 08, 2022 01:15 PM (bs+z0)

19 (stolen) Elections have consequences!

Posted by: kallisto at August 08, 2022 01:15 PM (dCxaZ)

20 I couldn't bear to follow this news ... why did Kamala have to break a tie? was there some missing Dem senator?

anyway we're boned. plus the executive order making it impossible to be a freelancer again, whoa nelly

they're just wreaking as much havoc and stealing as much cash and setting up as much malinvestment as is humanly possible before some sanity MIGHT return after the midterm election

Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 08, 2022 01:15 PM (w0NJk)

21 You don't hire 87k IRS agents for good things to happen.

Odds on them being armed secret police thugs vs being annoying lawfare tax weapons?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 08, 2022 01:16 PM (XvPQV)

22 How about a national sales tax in lieu of an income tax?

Posted by: mr tmz at August 08, 2022 01:16 PM (rJ48h)

23 How about just don't cheat on tax returns? A fully truthful and accurate tax return is bulletproof in an audit. I never understood the fear of an IRS audit. Don't lie. Period.

I'm glad Markowitz explained this to me. I was under the impression that one had to take time off from work and hire representation when protesting an improper IRS audit, but apparently it just goes away when you tell them you didn't lie.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 08, 2022 01:16 PM (lTGtQ)

24 I have a friend who sent his taxes in on time. They were sent registered mail. The IRS falsely, and demonstrably so said they were not sent on time. So he sent them all the proof. Pictures of the receipts, etc. they sent them a letter back that said now you owe penalties and more interest.

But yeah, the IRS is totes fair and always right.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 08, 2022 01:16 PM (mSy8I)

25 22 How about a national sales tax in lieu of an income tax?
Posted by: mr tmz at August 08, 2022 01:16 PM (rJ48h)

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Less invasive.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 01:16 PM (LvTSG)

26 More than 4 in 10 of its audits targeted recipients of the earned income tax credit, one of the progressive's main anti-poverty measures.

Posted by: rhennigantx at August 08, 2022 01:15 PM (BRHaw)

they go after the low-hanging fruit

Posted by: kallisto at August 08, 2022 01:16 PM (dCxaZ)

27 A fully truthful and accurate tax return is bulletproof in an audit.

As many have already pointed out, the tax code is over 2,600 pages. Good luck complying with all of it.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 08, 2022 01:16 PM (ZGrMX)

28 Markowitz owns a firm that represents people undergoing IRS audits. I think he left that part out of his tweet.

Posted by: Squid at August 08, 2022 01:17 PM (XJ0So)

29 If you haven't committed any crime, you... shouldn't worry about cops demanding, on penalty of fine and imprisonment, that you answer their questions and show them your papers.

"Also, ACAB and should be defunded"
--The Left

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 08, 2022 01:17 PM (Ivdso)

30 I'm not as concerned as many are. The vast majority of these new IRS "agents" are likely to be dead weight hired for no-show jobs or make-work bullshit. That's just the nature of a giant unaccountable government bureaucracy. So until I see an actual rise in the number of audits, I'll be cautiously optimistic that this is just another Full Employment Act for stupid useless people.

Posted by: Elric Blade at August 08, 2022 01:17 PM (iFTx/)

31 27 A fully truthful and accurate tax return is bulletproof in an audit.

As many have already pointed out, the tax code is over 2,600 pages. Good luck complying with all of it.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 08, 2022 01:16 PM (ZGrMX)

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I love those experiments when they take a normal tax return, give it to 10 different CPAs, and they get 10 different results.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 01:17 PM (LvTSG)

32 22 How about a national sales tax in lieu of an income tax?

Posted by: mr tmz at August 08, 2022 01:16 PM (rJ48h)

That will be an additional tax to what we have now.

Posted by: davidt at August 08, 2022 01:17 PM (oTZbj)

33 22 How about a national sales tax in lieu of an income tax?
Posted by: mr tmz at August 08, 2022 01:16 PM (rJ48h)
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But then why would you need another 87,000 IRS employees, of whom more than half are going to the audit and enforcement sections.

Posted by: Penfold at August 08, 2022 01:17 PM (Fbt5B)

34 There's nothing we can do.

Posted by: 2023 Gope controlled Congress at August 08, 2022 01:17 PM (9FBGz)

35 The "if you've done nothing wrong you have nothing to fear" argument is provable BS.

Many many years ago I did a contract for another government's equivalent of the IRS. The goal was to predict whether people would be assessed as owing more tax based only on the information on their returns (don't shoot me - I was young and foolish).

The most predictive feature by far? That the [IRS equivalent] had audited you. In other words: once they decided to audit you they were almost guaranteed to find something to ex post facto justify the audit.

Posted by: quantum mechanic at August 08, 2022 01:18 PM (vcv8B)

36 I think Democrats should totally run on this. No better friend of the IRS then us, and all that.

If you're a Republican up for election and you don't seize on this, you're a jackass.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 08, 2022 01:18 PM (mSy8I)

37 Of course none of this will kick in before the Nov. elections...

Posted by: It's me donna at August 08, 2022 01:18 PM (bs+z0)

38 I wonder how the "He funded 87,000 new IRS agents" will play in campaign ads.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 01:18 PM (LvTSG)

39 24 I have a friend who sent his taxes in on time. They were sent registered mail. The IRS falsely, and demonstrably so said they were not sent on time. So he sent them all the proof. Pictures of the receipts, etc. they sent them a letter back that said now you owe penalties and more interest.

But yeah, the IRS is totes fair and always right.

Posted by: Marcus T
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Happened to my father over a trivial amount. The IRS ended up dropping it when my dad went to a Congressman he knew and told him about the situation.

Posted by: whig at August 08, 2022 01:18 PM (CXr4y)

40 >>>Biden Creates 87,000 New Offices to Swarm and Harass the Citizenry and Eat Them Out of Substance

ISWYDT

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 08, 2022 01:18 PM (U3uv2)

41 What executive order?

Posted by: SFGoth at August 08, 2022 01:18 PM (KAi1n)

42 30 I'm not as concerned as many are. The vast majority of these new IRS "agents" are likely to be dead weight hired for no-show jobs or make-work bullshit. That's just the nature of a giant unaccountable government bureaucracy. So until I see an actual rise in the number of audits, I'll be cautiously optimistic that this is just another Full Employment Act for stupid useless people.

Posted by: Elric Blade at August 08, 2022 01:17 PM (iFTx/)

If it was 8k, sure. 87k is a lot of people needing to justify their paycheck.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 08, 2022 01:18 PM (XvPQV)

43 "If *you* complied with *our* laws"

Get fucked, wannabe tyrant.

Posted by: Methos at August 08, 2022 01:19 PM (kOpft)

44 Until we fix the the Media, the left will continue to get away with this shit

in other words, the left will always get away with this shit

Posted by: REDACTED at August 08, 2022 01:19 PM (us2H3)

45 As I put it in the Morning Report comments, this is a truly staggering increase that more than doubles the size of the IRS. This isn't to go after rich people, and it isn't because of productivity.

They don't need to more than double the workforce to go after rich guys. Then we consider "high net worth individuals" - those with $25 million or more in assets - there are only around 156k households total. The IRS hiring of 87k employees would allow them to be assigned 0.5:1 permanently, with plenty of headroom to cover HNWI growth, vacations, etc.

IRS workforce has declined by 12% over the past ten years and is around 78k employees. Assuming productivity is down by 25% (that is more than what we're seeing the private sector), that is effectively around 58,500 2012-equivalent employees. To return to 2012 levels of approximately 87k employees at then-current productivity, the total needs to be around 109k employees, or an increase of around 31,000 employees. The actual increase of 87,000 employees is 2.8x larger than would be needed to return to 2012 levels, even with a generous productivity offset.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 01:19 PM (WWh8n)

46 That will be an additional tax to what we have now.

Right. I wouldn't mind a national sales tax replacing the income tax, but they'd just staple it on top of what we have already. And then put in so many exceptions that it would only really apply to middle class.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 08, 2022 01:19 PM (Ivdso)

47 As is well known from all the apocryphal stories, the IRS answer line gets the rules wrong quite often. In fact, there is a disclaimer that you are not entitled to rely on advice from the IRS answer line in preparing your taxes.

None of this makes sense, unless you are a future historian examining how the calcification of our government led to the downfall of the Republic.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 08, 2022 01:19 PM (MvxGv)

48 sorry not an EO - part of this heinous bill - link in my sig

Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 08, 2022 01:19 PM (w0NJk)

49 If they harass you enough, and threaten you hard enough, you'll be willing to help them make their quota and send the government more of your money, even though the government has no right to it.

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"Guilty until proven innocent" has always been the IRS Motto and is a bedrock of "our precious democracy."

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, it gets worse here every day at August 08, 2022 01:19 PM (KXAsT)

50 Nah. I can still buy food with money. Road maintenance still happens, power is still on. Collapse doesn't look like this.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 08, 2022 01:07 PM (XvPQV)

Willowed from last thread. Hiring 87000 new thieves is surely a sign of collapse... but there are parts of the Appalachias where you shouldn't send such men, not if you want them to come back at full strength.

If they went this hard after Epstein's clients, most of the Fortune 500 would be doing time.

Posted by: trev006 at August 08, 2022 01:20 PM (yJWaZ)

51 34 There's nothing we can do.
Posted by: 2023 Gope controlled Congress at August 08, 2022 01:17 PM (9FBGz)

"Same" - 2025 GoPe controlle Congress, with or without Biden in WH.

Posted by: Thrawn at August 08, 2022 01:20 PM (Rl7KJ)

52 audit the fuck out of that EITC. and deport the illegals they find. but they won't. fedgov only enforces the laws it wants to, which really makes it just rule of man.

Posted by: x at August 08, 2022 01:20 PM (ZC2go)

53 Don't like the idea of having the cops raid your home at 3:00 AM, or randomly stooping you while driving? How about just not doing something wrong in the first place. Piece of cake.

Posted by: RM at August 08, 2022 01:20 PM (0eYOS)

54 >>>If they harass you enough, and threaten you hard enough, you'll be willing to help them make their quota and send the government more of your money, even though the government has no right to it.

Only when a person has nothing else to lose is he truly free.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 08, 2022 01:20 PM (U3uv2)

55 11 IBS >>>>>>>>>> IRS
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 08, 2022 01:14 PM (atmen)

Nice. I laughed.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at August 08, 2022 01:20 PM (5gOkx)

56 Tee hee!

Posted by: Lois Lerner at August 08, 2022 01:20 PM (9FBGz)

57 There are about 80,000 US households with wealth in excess of $50M.

Do you really think they are assigning a personal agent to each of these, or are going to go after the middle class?

Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 08, 2022 01:21 PM (lTGtQ)

58 Paraphrasing Tina Turner: we don't need another President.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 08, 2022 01:21 PM (llON8)

59 Given the complexity of the tax code, determining whether your tax return is fully truthful and accurate is provably undecidable.

Posted by: quantum mechanic at August 08, 2022 01:21 PM (vcv8B)

60 Adam Markowitz
@adammarkowitzEA

Release the Epstein client list, Markowitz.

Posted by: trev006 at August 08, 2022 01:21 PM (yJWaZ)

61 "To prove to the American people that audits are nothing to be afraid of, every Member of Congress should submit to one. First up, those who have served 30 years or more."

The problem with that is, the IRS would actually work with the correct type of congress critters to avoid even more taxes.

Posted by: lowandslow at August 08, 2022 01:21 PM (qH6FZ)

62 Among the many, many, many things that need to be Purged and reformed...the IRS is right up there.

I'm in favor of killing all tax loopholes for everyone and everything. Everyone pays 10%, little or big, poor or mega corp.

IF you have to keep auditors, they should be corporate focused to make sure their income isn't being hidden or shifted around. If.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 08, 2022 01:21 PM (XvPQV)

63 What was that heist movie that involved tunneling into Fort Knox? Was that a Bond flick?

Totally randomly and utterly unrelated, I wonder if anyone knows where the IRS stores its mountain of ammo?

As Bilbo's eyes adjusted to the cave, he beheld a great hill of ammunition, and, perched on top of it, seemingly asleep, with smokey exhalations, was the latest Red Dragon robot from Boston Dynamics...

Posted by: mindful webworker - IRS SWAT teams for barterers at August 08, 2022 01:21 PM (ynmtz)

64 ok it's guidance here is part:

"The department now plans to engage in rule-making on determining employee or independent contractor status under the Fair Labor Standards Act, "Jessica Looman, the acting administrator for the Department of Labor's Wage and Hour Division, wrote recently on the DOL's blog. "We remain committed to ensuring that employees are recognized correctly when they are, in fact, employees so that they receive the protections the FLSA provides.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 08, 2022 01:22 PM (w0NJk)

65 I couldn't bear to follow this news ... why did Kamala have to break a tie? was there some missing Dem senator?

Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 08, 2022 01:15 PM

Isn't Leahy out with a broken hip or some such thing?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 08, 2022 01:22 PM (4p7Em)

66
The audit is the punishment

Posted by: Yo! Ultra MAGA at August 08, 2022 01:22 PM (YdLYB)

67 And while we're at it lets send another 6.5 billion to Ukraine

Posted by: It's me donna at August 08, 2022 01:22 PM (bs+z0)

68 >>>I wouldn't mind a national sales tax ~~replacing~~ adding to the income tax
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FIFY

Posted by: Democrat Patronage Jobs Forevah! at August 08, 2022 01:22 PM (MvxGv)

69 The best way to avoid an audit is to have your taxes done by a professional CPA who knows what will raise red flags and what won't. IRS agents are just lazy bureaucrats who don't want to do any actual work. They would much rather go after the low-hanging fruit, such as individual preparers who don't really know what they're doing, than have to make a case against a professionally-prepared return.

Posted by: Elric Blade at August 08, 2022 01:22 PM (iFTx/)

70 My plan to give everything away to the church and join a monastery after Little is out of school is seeming better all the time.

I think taking a vow of silence will be a relief for everyone I know, as well, so that's an added benefit.

I'd rather spend my time studying and meditating on God as living out my remaining years in this shithole of a society.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at August 08, 2022 01:23 PM (zajeO)

71 I am fighting with th MA DOR atm over a senior citizen tax credit for my RE taxes

black chick cannot get her head around the first acre concept

I expect to see her soon at the IRS

Posted by: REDACTED at August 08, 2022 01:23 PM (us2H3)

72 Democrat Sen. Ben Cardin: "If there's no reason to be fearful, and if you paid your taxes and if you complied with our laws, you should want to make sure everyone else does that."
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If you have nothing to hide, why won't you let me come take a look around?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 01:23 PM (WWh8n)

73 67 And while we're at it lets send another 6.5 billion to Ukraine
Posted by: It's me donna at August 08, 2022 01:22 PM (bs+z0)

Z-man's going to have one hell of an exile mansion in Miami.

Posted by: Thrawn at August 08, 2022 01:23 PM (Rl7KJ)

74 I can’t wait for the harshly worded emails from McConnell on this. They will have multiple exclamation points.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 08, 2022 01:23 PM (3vQN0)

75 You've got every Democrat in the senate on the record for going after the taxpayers by increasing what the average person pays and turning the IRS on them for audits.

But let's talk about something else during the upcoming election.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 08, 2022 01:23 PM (mSy8I)

76 And while we're at it lets send another 6.5 billion to Ukraine
Posted by: It's me donna at August 08, 2022 01:22 PM (bs+z0)
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It's par-tay time!

Posted by: Liz Cheney, still a GOP Caucus Member at August 08, 2022 01:24 PM (MvxGv)

77 If you have nothing to hide why wouldn’t you let the police randomly stop black men?

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 08, 2022 01:24 PM (3vQN0)

78 72 Democrat Sen. Ben Cardin: "If there's no reason to be fearful, and if you paid your taxes and if you complied with our laws, you should want to make sure everyone else does that."
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If you have nothing to hide, why won't you let me come take a look around?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 01:23 PM (WWh8n)

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Harry Potter, I know, but, quite literally, this is what one of the bad guys says in one of the later Harry Potter movies.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 01:24 PM (LvTSG)

79 as I said earlier, if you have an UBER thing in your windshield they are going to look at you

anyone whoever worked in a restaurant knows that a lot of the people working there (like the dishwashers and busboys) are cash off the books.

landscapers and contractors? Yeah, the IRS might be looking into those businesses' books.

you see, they are not going to make you pay more in taxes if you make less than $400k a year, they just want to make sure you pay all the taxes they will insist that you pay. It will be like the cop who decides if you really stopped at that Stop sign.

Posted by: mallfly the peach of Hoboken at August 08, 2022 01:24 PM (Ynyl9)

80 This is simply an attempt to build a federal goon army. Like most things, the idiots in DC do not understand human nature. This will end up destroying any popular support for an income tax system and a lot of Dem seats. Funding the IRS to have more agents to harass people is NOT a winning issue among voters.

The Dems have simply gone YOLO indicating a real fear of being dispatched in the coming elections. If they had the elections rigged, they would not have been in a rush to pass this bill before the elections.

Posted by: whig at August 08, 2022 01:24 PM (CXr4y)

81 >>> 69 The best way to avoid an audit is to have your taxes done by a professional CPA who knows what will raise red flags and what won't. IRS agents are just lazy bureaucrats who don't want to do any actual work. They would much rather go after the low-hanging fruit, such as individual preparers who don't really know what they're doing, than have to make a case against a professionally-prepared return.
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 08, 2022 01:22 PM (iFTx/)

This was probably true until recently. However, Stan's asshoes believe they are thisclose to their rainbow and unicorn fart utopia and the only ones standing in their way are... people like us.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 08, 2022 01:24 PM (llON8)

82 We use TurboTax, I am going to pay the extra $49 to get their “bullet proof” irs audit guarantee.

Posted by: Mister Scott at August 08, 2022 01:24 PM (GIXrm)

83 I hope Mr Markowitz never accidentally has a letter from the IRS misdelivered to the neighbor and sent back Not At This Address, since the IRS will never send a letter to that address again, and the audit and letter series leading up to garnishment will not be sent.

first thing indicating a problem is when his stock accounts are drained for back taxes, penalty and interest.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 08, 2022 01:24 PM (xhaym)

84 'How about a national sales tax in lieu of an income tax?'

I'd predict the extra audits will make the IRS more hateful to the electorate (as if that were possible).
In a functioning republic, that would make people vote it out of existence.
In the USA, who knows?

Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 08, 2022 01:25 PM (a1ycR)

85 They want you to eat bugs. They want you to give up your car. They want you to live in a mile-long planned community in the desert. They want you to own nothing -- and like it. They want you to wear a mask. They want you to submit to the IRS Stasi.

In this, and a multitude of other demands, I can only register the same response:

YOU FIRST, FUCKERS.

Posted by: red speck at August 08, 2022 01:25 PM (gS3OW)

86 87,000 new hires is about three reinforced Army divisions.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 08, 2022 01:25 PM (VAnv2)

87 Have to wonder how much Turbo Tax, Inuit, and other online tax preparers lobbied for this. Since they offer for an extra fee, to deal with the IRS on any audit, this is a great way to significantly increase the amount of taxpayers that will not only use their service but also pay extra for the audit representation and guarantee.

Posted by: Jen the original at August 08, 2022 01:25 PM (U4yaZ)

88 If they went this hard after Epstein's clients, most of the Fortune 500 would be doing time.
Posted by: trev006 at August 08, 2022 01:20 PM (yJWaZ)

Ha. 'They' are Epstein's clients too. He provided whores to government types, not just corporate and entertainment types.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 08, 2022 01:25 PM (XvPQV)

89 It's likely already been noted that, when phoned, not even the IRS themselves will give the same answer twice when queried about a specific tax question.

Posted by: gourmand du jour, with capers at August 08, 2022 01:26 PM (jTmQV)

90 If you have nothing to hide, why won't you let me come take a look around?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 01:23 PM (WWh8n)
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Democrats are exempt.

Posted by: zombie Charlie Rangel at August 08, 2022 01:26 PM (MvxGv)

91 82 We use TurboTax, I am going to pay the extra $49 to get their “bullet proof” irs audit guarantee.
Posted by: Mister Scott at August 08, 2022 01:24 PM (GIXrm)

now check out our "own a piece of the Brooklyn Bridge" option

Posted by: TURDO TAX at August 08, 2022 01:26 PM (us2H3)

92 But tens of millions of illegal aliens still get a free pass on not filing income tax returns, or not paying federal income taxes, right?

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB at August 08, 2022 01:26 PM (MvHI3)

93 88 If they went this hard after Epstein's clients, most of the Fortune 500 would be doing time.
Posted by: trev006 at August 08, 2022 01:20 PM (yJWaZ)

Ha. 'They' are Epstein's clients too. He provided whores to government types, not just corporate and entertainment types.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 08, 2022 01:25 PM (XvPQV)

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"Nu-uh...Epstein was Trump's personal pimp."
-Very in-the-know leftist

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 01:26 PM (LvTSG)

94 I'd rather spend my time studying and meditating on God as living out my remaining years in this shithole of a society.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at August 08, 2022 01:23 PM (zajeO)

I'd rather Deus Vult this thing, but I understand.

Posted by: trev006 at August 08, 2022 01:26 PM (8254t)

95 re 65: 50 to 50, all Dems yes all Repubs no. Giggles supplied the tie breaker.

Posted by: mallfly the peach of Hoboken at August 08, 2022 01:26 PM (Ynyl9)

96 I volunteer to be eaten out of substance.

Posted by: Joy Behar at August 08, 2022 01:26 PM (vN+oL)

97 Thing is it’s really hard to cheat on taxes if you are a W2 employee. The cheating is done for 1099 peeps, rest estate investments, etc where there is a lot of opportunity to fudge income and deductions. I mean my home office decision alone is pretty much guaranteed to get one of these 87k new jack booted thugs calling, lol,

As for eitc, yeah I want audits of those people. I want to see proof that you really do have 4 kids living with you at home.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 08, 2022 01:26 PM (3vQN0)

98 >>> 78 72 Democrat Sen. Ben Cardin: "If there's no reason to be fearful, and if you paid your taxes and if you complied with our laws, you should want to make sure everyone else does that."
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If you have nothing to hide, why won't you let me come take a look around?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 01:23 PM (WWh8n)

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Harry Potter, I know, but, quite literally, this is what one of the bad guys says in one of the later Harry Potter movies.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 01:24 PM (LvTSG)

If we had an opposition party, they'd have this clip in every fcking one of their campaign commercials this fall.

If.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 08, 2022 01:26 PM (llON8)

99 [ow about a national sales tax in lieu of an income tax?
Posted by: mr tmz at August 08, 2022 01:16 PM (rJ48h)
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Less invasive.

Exactly the opposite. Ask Europeans and Canadians how they love their VAT.

Also, you seem under the impression that the income tax would go away when forty-two states rely on an income tax. Now you want to add yet another federal tax to the system?

Do you want to have to file sales tax receipts on each and every sale at your garage sale, then turn in your paperwork and payment within a short period of time or face additional fines and penalties?

With people barely able to come up with the 20% down for a house, where are they going to come up with the 30% sales tax? Dittos with other high ticket items that have multi-year financing.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 08, 2022 01:26 PM (3hSHB)

100 I had a relative who did tax returns for one the the large tax filing companies. Her statement was that your average income, middle/working class person was pretty truthful and just wanted to get it over with. The lower class people lied like mad to get things like the EITC.

If I believed the IRS was going to go after people like that, fine. You know though it will be fining to death a white guy who mis-stated some extra income. There is no doubt it will be race, sex, and religion weighted in enforcement.

Posted by: WiNO at August 08, 2022 01:26 PM (EpDzw)

101 And you get an audit. And you get an audit. And you get an audit .......

Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2022 01:26 PM (ZLI7S)

102 My one "run in" with the IRS was a couple three years ago when, and i still don't fully understand how, i managed to overpay by like $100 or something. I basically filled for a smaller refund than i should have. The IRS sent me an email saying, in effect, "you messed up. Here's your money back", and i got that amount deposted in my account i use for such things.

I was dumbstruck. To this day, i can't explain it. It was like a miracle, or an alien visitation.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 08, 2022 01:26 PM (PlkYF)

103 86 87,000 new hires is about three reinforced Army divisions.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 08, 2022 01:25 PM (VAnv2)

Maybe we can send them to Ukraine to face down the Russkies?

Everybody knows audits can beat artillery.

Posted by: Thrawn at August 08, 2022 01:27 PM (Rl7KJ)

104 So, this country can hire 87 thousand IRS agents to harass citizens, while illegals get tax free income, free travel, welfare benefits, and no screening whatsoever, and this is seen as normal?

Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 08, 2022 01:27 PM (lTGtQ)

105 The Dems have simply gone YOLO indicating a real fear of being dispatched in the coming elections. If they had the elections rigged, they would not have been in a rush to pass this bill before the elections.

I agree whig I think this is an indicator.

and the primaries where the GOPe cadre was unable to beat the trump-backed candidates with even quite a bit of vote fraud, that spooked them and caused them to push this thru

Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 08, 2022 01:27 PM (w0NJk)

106 82 We use TurboTax, I am going to pay the extra $49 to get their “bullet proof” irs audit guarantee.
Posted by: Mister Scott at August 08, 2022 01:24 PM (GIXrm)

Yeah...Tax Act here, I'll pay the grift I suppose.
The IRS will take your money or jail you and nobody will stop them.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 08, 2022 01:27 PM (XvPQV)

107 re 92: hush, that's not who it's played.

Posted by: mallfly the peach of Hoboken at August 08, 2022 01:27 PM (Ynyl9)

108 How about a national sales tax in lieu of an income tax?
Posted by: mr tmz at August 08, 2022 01:16 PM (rJ48h)
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I'd like that, as long as there are three firm requirements with it:
1. Income tax is repealed as a part of the sales tax
2. The sales tax applies *only* to new products and services. No sales tax on used goods, as that is double-taxation.
3. No exemptions, no levels, no exceptions. If it's a new product or service, it is subject to the same tax.

It won't ever happen, though.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 01:27 PM (WWh8n)

109 the "Don't Say Inflation (Reduction)" bill.

Posted by: Simple Stevo at August 08, 2022 01:27 PM (SOV+T)

110 I'd predict the extra audits will make the IRS more hateful to the electorate (as if that were possible).
In a functioning republic, that would make people vote it out of existence.
In the USA, who knows?
Posted by: Dr. Claw

Or...
"Mr. Jones we can make this go away if you just sign this mail-in ballot."

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 08, 2022 01:27 PM (IEa8U)

111 Stolen elections have consequences.

Posted by: ... at August 08, 2022 01:28 PM (Jp6c/)

112 Ha. 'They' are Epstein's clients too. He provided whores to government types, not just corporate and entertainment types.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 08, 2022 01:25 PM (XvPQV)

Here I thought it was a privilege reserved for the wealthy elite, but that does make sense. Especially when the Schumers and Pelosis have more wealth than many millionaires put together.

Posted by: trev006 at August 08, 2022 01:28 PM (8254t)

113 92 But tens of millions of illegal aliens still get a free pass on not filing income tax returns, or not paying federal income taxes, right?
Posted by: Triv

Tbh I like that they don’t file. Because for the vast majority of them they would pay a negative tax rate.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 08, 2022 01:28 PM (3vQN0)

114 I volunteer to be eaten out of substance.

Posted by: Joy Behar at August 08, 2022 01:26 PM (vN+oL)

First the curing, then the smoking.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 08, 2022 01:28 PM (U3uv2)

115 108I'd like that, as long as there are three firm requirements with it:
1. Income tax is repealed as a part of the sales tax
2. The sales tax applies *only* to new products and services. No sales tax on used goods, as that is double-taxation.
3. No exemptions, no levels, no exceptions. If it's a new product or service, it is subject to the same tax.

It won't ever happen, though.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 01:27 PM (WWh8n)

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"Seriously...where's the graft?"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 01:28 PM (LvTSG)

116 IRS help lines give different answers to the same question all the time.
Accountants for the biggest corporations spend countless hours deciding what some clause means and whether something is allowable or not.

But you, the little guy, is supposed to trust that the H&R block guy you gave your taxes to did them right? I did that. Then before mailing them off I checked his work.
He fucked up.
Yes I ended up paying more taxes (thousands more, and it pissed me off) but they were eventually sent in "done right".
This is gonna be so crazy stupid bad that it won't be funny, but revolt still won't happen because people will just put their heads down even further to avoid being the proud nail.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 08, 2022 01:28 PM (MFphb)

117 Meanwhile, Lois Lerner enjoys her pension.

Posted by: golfman at August 08, 2022 01:28 PM (aX0CW)

118 quite literally, this is what one of the bad guys says in one of the later Harry Potter movies.

Thus far, the Zillennials and Millennials have not grasped this yet: how much the Biden administration is exactly what all their dystopian favorites warned about.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 08, 2022 01:28 PM (Ivdso)

119 95 re 65: 50 to 50, all Dems yes all Repubs no. Giggles supplied the tie breaker.

but the dems have more than 50? no?

Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 08, 2022 01:28 PM (w0NJk)

120 Fuck the IRS! Starve the beast!

Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 08, 2022 01:28 PM (WHt4f)

121 111 Stolen elections have consequences.
Posted by: ... at August 08, 2022 01:28 PM (Jp6c/)

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I hope SCOTUS is paying attention.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 01:28 PM (LvTSG)

122 One group that will not be bothered by this is the illegals. They are off the irs radar and will never be audited even if they have a taxpayer ID.

Posted by: Mister Scott at August 08, 2022 01:28 PM (GIXrm)

123 31 27 A fully truthful and accurate tax return is bulletproof in an audit.

As many have already pointed out, the tax code is over 2,600 pages. Good luck complying with all of it.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 08, 2022 01:16 PM (ZGrMX)

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I love those experiments when they take a normal tax return, give it to 10 different CPAs, and they get 10 different results.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 01:17 PM (LvTSG)
_________________________________

It's because not only is the tax code itself so convoluted and vague, but in many cases requires subjective determinations of value, carry cost, depreciation, etc. So even if you are trying to be 100% honest, there are usually multiple different ways to calculate the x, y, and z needed for the return.

Posted by: Elric Blade at August 08, 2022 01:28 PM (iFTx/)

124 102 My one "run in" with the IRS was a couple three years ago when, and i still don't fully understand how, i managed to overpay by like $100 or something. I basically filled for a smaller refund than i should have. The IRS sent me an email saying, in effect, "you messed up. Here's your money back", and i got that amount deposted in my account i use for such things.

I was dumbstruck. To this day, i can't explain it. It was like a miracle, or an alien visitation.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 08, 2022 01:26 PM (PlkYF)

I think some of their audits are randomly selected and so they'll do that there.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 08, 2022 01:29 PM (b2nrj)

125 Harry Potter clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXur7cYjdDc

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 01:29 PM (LvTSG)

126 They intend to squeeze the Middle Class for every g**damn drop of blood they have

As a result, I'll be keeping my tax return as simple as possibe. For me this means limiting the number of business expenses I claim not taking as many deductions. The result will be me handing over a few more thousand to the IRS every year.

Posted by: 29Victor at August 08, 2022 01:29 PM (BJKQV)

127 >>> 85 They want you to eat bugs. They want you to give up your car. They want you to live in a mile-long planned community in the desert. They want you to own nothing -- and like it. They want you to wear a mask. They want you to submit to the IRS Stasi.

In this, and a multitude of other demands, I can only register the same response:

YOU FIRST AND ONLY YOU, FUCKERS.
Posted by: red speck at August 08, 2022 01:25 PM (gS3OW)

There.

I will not.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 08, 2022 01:29 PM (llON8)

128 "Nu-uh...Epstein was Trump's personal pimp."
-Very in-the-know leftist
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 01:26 PM (LvTSG)

"Cool story, then you're ok with releasing the full, unreacted client list? Cuz I am..."

-Me, cracking my knuckles

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 08, 2022 01:29 PM (XvPQV)

129 To be fair, aren't there a lot of people who lie about their number of dependents? I'd like to see those people take it in the shorts.

Posted by: whatchulookinat at August 08, 2022 01:29 PM (fiQ0w)

130 The Dems have simply gone YOLO indicating a real fear of being dispatched in the coming elections. If they ~~had the elections rigged~~ had faith that the cheating was going to work, they would not have been in a rush to pass this bill before the elections.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 08, 2022 01:29 PM (xhaym)

131 It's not just the pandemic IRS either, although that has been a nightmare.
I refiled 2018 taxes later in 2019, not refile but I filed an amended return.
they refunded me the entire amount I sent them as payment after recalculation.
then a few months later they billed me that amount with interest tacked on.
When I called to ask WTF is going on the agent admonished me for cashing the treasury check they sent me. I guess I was supposed to mail it back.
Then the pandemic shut everything down and I was no longer able to get anyone on the phone all the correspondence was mail with months in between.

Posted by: Inogame, non alius regit at August 08, 2022 01:29 PM (53oGX)

132 I'm not as concerned as many are. The vast majority of these new IRS "agents" are likely to be dead weight hired for no-show jobs or make-work bullshit. That's just the nature of a giant unaccountable government bureaucracy. So until I see an actual rise in the number of audits, I'll be cautiously optimistic that this is just another Full Employment Act for stupid useless people.

Posted by: Elric Blade at August 08, 2022 01:17 PM (iFTx/)

87000 might be just enough to hire the non bot NPCs on twitter.

Posted by: Methos at August 08, 2022 01:30 PM (kOpft)

133 74 I can’t wait for the harshly worded emails from McConnell on this. They will have multiple exclamation points.

Posted by: Joe Xiden
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Taxes and the IRS are one of the few things that the socially liberal GOP megadonors hate so more or less the Republicans will oppose this aside from the crying Kinzingers or Cheneys in the House.

Essentially, this bill forces the GOPe to oppose the Dems and use the IRS agent fodder for political ads. Whatever effect Dobbs might have had, doubling the IRS with its sinister and incompetent behavior is the Deep State telling Americans to kiss their ass. Twon't go over well at all--even liberals demonstrate hate for the IRS and taxes by their actions (despite praising them).

Posted by: whig at August 08, 2022 01:30 PM (CXr4y)

134 The headline is almost word for word what I told my wife when I heard this abomination had passed.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at August 08, 2022 01:30 PM (N1tpc)

135 nothing to worry about Gen Flynn, we just want to talk to you.

Posted by: mallfly the peach of Hoboken at August 08, 2022 01:30 PM (Ynyl9)

136 And be sure to remember always that this isn't about going after people who "don't pay their fair share" (e.g., "the rich"). It's way too big for that. This workforce is for you and me. More than anything, it's for the guys selling stuff on eBay or Facebook Marketplace or the like - typically blue-collar or lower-end white-collar families with a little side action. Gotta squeeze 'em and ruin their lives.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 01:30 PM (WWh8n)

137 We just thought a struggling economy riddled with inflation needed a tax increase and rent-seeking payments in bulk to our donor class, plus government control of drug availability to the serfs.

Was that wrong? Did we do something wrong? No one told us that was wrong. This is what we did the last time we were in power, too, and no one ever told us it was wrong.

Posted by: Biden Junta Press Team at August 08, 2022 01:30 PM (MvxGv)

138 >>> 94 I'd rather spend my time studying and meditating on God as living out my remaining years in this shithole of a society.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at August 08, 2022 01:23 PM (zajeO)

I'd rather Deus Vult this thing, but I understand.
Posted by: trev006 at August 08, 2022 01:26 PM (8254t)

I find either approach quite fine, and Bob from NSA will have to guess which it is for each and every one of us.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 08, 2022 01:30 PM (llON8)

139 "Taxation without representation" was the rallying cry for something substantially less than the tax burden just voted on by the current oppressive ruling regime.

Posted by: Redwine at August 08, 2022 01:30 PM (ODhUG)

140 Have to wonder how much Turbo Tax, Inuit, and other online tax preparers lobbied for this. Since they offer for an extra fee, to deal with the IRS on any audit, this is a great way to significantly increase the amount of taxpayers that will not only use their service but also pay extra for the audit representation and guarantee.

Along with increasing the price for this bit of obvious rent seeking.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 08, 2022 01:31 PM (3hSHB)

141 Stan's asshoes believe they are thisclose to their rainbow and unicorn fart utopia and the only ones standing in their way are... people like us
==
There's a list. Its gun owners, cross referenced with donors to conservative causes, and anti abortion group supporters, anyone who has put their name in to go to a trump rally, and or sought a religious exemption from the vaccine. Those on all three or four lists, get audited into oblivion. The last 10 years have been a effort to identify thought criminals. We have reached the punishment phase.

Posted by: Magic 8 ball at August 08, 2022 01:31 PM (GO6uj)

142
I don't want to see anyone take it in the shorts.

I pay my taxes faithfully. But I never lose sight of the fact that every penny that goes to the US federal government is a penny stolen by a corrupt crime gang.

They should all hang. Not get money.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 08, 2022 01:31 PM (IXpV7)

143 I couldn't bear to follow this news ... why did Kamala have to break a tie? was there some missing Dem senator?Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 08, 2022 01:15 PM
Isn't Leahy out with a broken hip or some such thing?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 08, 2022 01:22 PM (4p7Em)

the Senate has 48 Democrats, 50 Republicans, and two independents who caucus with the Democrats. The vote was on strict party lines, so the President of the Senate, who is Harris, votes to break the tie.
Leahy can vote from home or have his staff pretend he's voting.

Posted by: Jen the original at August 08, 2022 01:31 PM (U4yaZ)

144 One group that will not be bothered by this is the illegals. They are off the irs radar and will never be audited even if they have a taxpayer ID.

Posted by: Mister Scott

Illegals don't pay taxes, but they do vote. And even those that don't vote get congressional representation. California has at least two extra seats in congress due to illegal aliens.

Representation without taxation, and even without citizenship.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 08, 2022 01:31 PM (lTGtQ)

145
Anybody who cheats on their taxes is fine by me. I don't consider it a crime at all. I just don't have the nerve to do it myself.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 08, 2022 01:31 PM (IXpV7)

146 but the dems have more than 50? no?
Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 08, 2022 01:28 PM (w0NJk)

No, there are 48 Dems and 2 Independents (Sanders being one of them)

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 08, 2022 01:31 PM (DRSnL)

147 10ish years ago I “forgot” to report some income. It’s found out. They sent me a letter saying hey guy, uhm ya kinda made an oopsie. Please send money. I sent money all was forgiven. I paid a few hundred in penalties as well.

Everyone cheats a little. Everyone exaggerates their business expenses. Key is to keep it in the plausible I fucked up range. So even if you get caught you plead dumb and all is forgiven.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 08, 2022 01:32 PM (3vQN0)

148 If you have nothing to hide, why won't you let me come take a look around?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 01:23 PM (WWh8n)

Do you mind if we search your car?

Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 08, 2022 01:32 PM (MFphb)

149 A fully truthful and accurate tax return is bulletproof in an audit.

As many have already pointed out, the tax code is over 2,600 pages. Good luck complying with all of it.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 08, 2022 01:16 PM (ZGrMX)

Also, IRS incompetence. About three years ago I owed thousands more because the IRS screwed up the tax tables.

Posted by: WiNO at August 08, 2022 01:32 PM (EpDzw)

150 The Babylon Bee-
Biden Hires 87,000 Bused-In Migrants As IRS Agents

https://tinyurl.com/2chwmpkn

Posted by: redridinghood at August 08, 2022 01:32 PM (NpAcC)

151 ahem...puts on liberal hat:

Goddamn it ACE, the name of the bill is Inflation Reduction Act. That's what it does, duh. Only fascists read bills.

lol, lib hat off

Posted by: Doctor sockamster-Doom Speaker-EdD Intersectional Dynamics at August 08, 2022 01:32 PM (OuH7W)

152 82 We use TurboTax, I am going to pay the extra $49 to get their “bullet proof” irs audit guarantee.
Posted by: Mister Scott at August 08, 2022 01:24 PM (GIXrm)

I stopped using turbo tax when the IRS found errors in my return 3 years in a row.

Posted by: Inogame, non alius regit at August 08, 2022 01:32 PM (53oGX)

153 I wonder how the "He funded 87,000 new IRS agents" will play in campaign ads.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang

Let's make sure they state it as 87,000 new IRS agents to target YOU for audit. Don't let the LIVs assume they are going after the the evil corporationy corporations.

Posted by: She Hobbit at August 08, 2022 01:32 PM (ftFVW)

154 "If there's no reason to be fearful, and if you paid your taxes and if you complied with our laws, you should want to make sure everyone else does that."

After four years of FBI helping fabricate the Trump/Russia narrative, and now trying to frame him for their 1/6 PsyOp, something tells me these audits will not necessarily be all about fairness. (I wonder if Al Sharpton ever caught up on the huge amount he owed?)

Posted by: illiniwek at August 08, 2022 01:32 PM (Cus5s)

155 So until I see an actual rise in the number of audits, I'll be cautiously optimistic that this is just another Full Employment Act for stupid useless people.

Posted by: Elric Blade at August 08, 2022 01:17 PM (iFTx/)
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Oh, it will take years to gear up for this. Slowly will the tyranny come, until it comes all at once. And you'll be sitting there saying "I never believed it would actually happen!"

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 08, 2022 01:32 PM (MvxGv)

156 re 119: technically, the Dems have 49, since Sanders is an independent, but he's merely the left edge of the Dems.

Posted by: mallfly the peach of Hoboken at August 08, 2022 01:32 PM (Ynyl9)

157 I remember when Crapo was a newb. His people would call the Whip’s office because they did not how to vote. I don’t mean they were on the fence, I mean they legit did not know how to vote. That was 1995.

Posted by: Quint at August 08, 2022 01:32 PM (btbnt)

158
People are counting wrong.

The US Senate has 100 Democrats, and always will.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 08, 2022 01:33 PM (IXpV7)

159 Doesn't the IRS publish a new "handbook" every year?

Posted by: BignJames at August 08, 2022 01:33 PM (AwYPR)

160 156 re 119: technically, the Dems have 49, since Sanders is an independent, but he's merely the left edge of the Dems.
Posted by: mallfly the peach of Hoboken at August 08, 2022 01:32 PM (Ynyl9)

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Angus King is an independent as well.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 01:33 PM (LvTSG)

161 Multiple governments were using Epstein as a honeypot intelligence gathering operation. We'll never see the client list because those videos are useful for controlling people in power. They don't want justice, they want control.

Interestingly, this once again shows how clean Trump was. If they had video of him forking one of Epstein's underaged slave girls, they wouldn't have to destroy Trump in the media and with this B.S. Jan 6 investigation.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 08, 2022 01:33 PM (eyxn4)

162 You know damn well TurboTax and the rest of them lobbied hard for this. Always, always, always follow the money.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 08, 2022 01:33 PM (3vQN0)

163 The IRS is a criminal organization and should be abolished entirely. I have yet to speak to anyone there who has a clue about what I have asked. I have yet to have a single return left alone; they always find some idiotic reason to raise the amount owed. I argue every time, and it takes months if not years to clear up the problem. They really believe that mailing me a letter full of falsehoods solves any of the problems. They never do.

Opening the mailbox and finding their obnoxious missives therein is probably much like Vietnam era "greetings' in the mailbox. Dreadful.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at August 08, 2022 01:33 PM (okGHj)

164 I have had one return kicked back by the IRS. It was because of restricted stock, which is a tax mess under the best of circumstances. The IRS, not me, screwed it up. I got a letter in the mail telling me I had something absurd like three days to respond to their assertion that I owed them like $12k in taxes. I had self-filed.

I took all of my paperwork to the high-end H&R block office (the kind where they're all CPAs) and we went through it line by line and item by item. The Block guy did indeed find a mistake, and that mistake cost me an extra $300 in taxes. I did the restricted stock stuff perfectly and the IRS was just flat wrong about it. Their wrongness didn't stop them from assuming guilt and giving me a tiny window to respond, though.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 01:33 PM (WWh8n)

165 I love those experiments when they take a normal tax return, give it to 10 different CPAs, and they get 10 different results.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 01:17 PM (LvTSG)

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As most are likely aware, some organizations and people have called like 10 different IRS "help lines" (I believe based on location) with the same somewhat complex situation & question, and received 10 different answers

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, it gets worse here every day at August 08, 2022 01:33 PM (KXAsT)

166 159 Doesn't the IRS publish a new "handbook" every year?
Posted by: BignJames at August 08, 2022 01:33 PM (AwYPR)

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"You fucked up! You trusted us!"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 01:34 PM (LvTSG)

167 Sent in a return years ago. IRS claimed it was late. We ended up $450 poorer due to fines and penalties. My husband talked to a lady a couple of times. He said she was one of the rudest people he ever dealt with on the phone. The IRS is nothing but a terrorist organization.

Posted by: jewells45 at August 08, 2022 01:34 PM (nxdel)

168 re 147: and Joe, how about them Medicare taxes you dodged?

Posted by: mallfly the peach of Hoboken at August 08, 2022 01:34 PM (Ynyl9)

169 139 "Taxation without representation" was the rallying cry for something substantially less than the tax burden just voted on by the current oppressive ruling regime.
Posted by: Redwine at August 08, 2022 01:30 PM (ODhUG)

Funny thing about that. England relented on all of the colonies tax demands except for one, the tax on tea. The logic was that tea was cheaper in the colonies than in England and England thought it should be the same.

Colonists were still pissed and they got the Boston Tea Party. Just goes to show that people from Boston have always been assholes.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 08, 2022 01:34 PM (Y5qcH)

170 People are counting wrong.

The US Senate has 100 Democrats, and always will.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 08, 2022 01:33 PM (IXpV7)
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That isn't entirely fair. I don't think Rand Paul is a Democrat.

It merely has 95+ Dems.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 01:35 PM (WWh8n)

171 The Block guy did indeed find a mistake, and that mistake cost me an extra $300 in taxes. I did the restricted stock stuff perfectly and the IRS was just flat wrong about it. Their wrongness didn't stop them from assuming guilt and giving me a tiny window to respond, though.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 01:33 PM (WWh8n)

That's a nice business you got there. Shame if anything happened to it.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 08, 2022 01:35 PM (U3uv2)

172 People are counting wrong.

The US Senate has 100 Democrats, and always will.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 08, 2022 01:33 PM (IXpV7)

Heh.

I do have a question for the Horde, though. Why are the GOP the minority when they have 50 and the Dems only have 48?

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 08, 2022 01:35 PM (DRSnL)

173 Why is the number of pages for the IRS now? 28k or something insane like that. Virtually anyone who filed a return is breaking some rule without even knowing it.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 08, 2022 01:35 PM (3vQN0)

174 Prediction: within 10 years someone will leak that the new agents & money were used to select audit victims based on social media history.

Posted by: 29Victor at August 08, 2022 01:35 PM (BJKQV)

175 87,000 government agents.

There are 3144 counties in the US.

That's an average of more than 27 agents per US county.

Wow.

Posted by: golfman at August 08, 2022 01:36 PM (aX0CW)

176 OT/ are there any Wyoming people here ?How concerned should we be about the Dems switching parties to vote for Chaney

Posted by: It's me donna at August 08, 2022 01:36 PM (bs+z0)

177 Colonists were still pissed and they got the Boston Tea Party. Just goes to show that people from Boston have always been assholes.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 08, 2022 01:34 PM (Y5qcH)

Yeah, but they were our assholes. - Stuff Jefferson said.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 08, 2022 01:36 PM (U3uv2)

178 If the average adult can't hold the handbook in one hand, you need to make the handbook smaller.

Corollary: If your handbook stands more than one hand tall, you need to make the handbook smaller.

Posted by: Lord-Emperor Warai-otoko's new "Rule of Hand" at August 08, 2022 01:36 PM (/EuRN)

179 172 I do have a question for the Horde, though. Why are the GOP the minority when they have 50 and the Dems only have 48?
Posted by: Jordan61 at August 08, 2022 01:35 PM (DRSnL)

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Two-fold. First, the 2 independents caucus with Democrats, so they're effectively Democrats in the Senate.

Secondly, Mitch and Schumer made a deal where Schumer was majority leader.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 01:36 PM (LvTSG)

180 Suck it Serfs! Enjoy your roto-rooter audits, heh.

Posted by: Uniparty IRS at August 08, 2022 01:36 PM (P69fT)

181 166 159 Doesn't the IRS publish a new "handbook" every year?
Posted by: BignJames at August 08, 2022 01:33 PM (AwYPR)

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"You fucked up! You trusted us!"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 01:34 PM (LvTSG)

Yeah I think legally speaking the IRS has no liability for any tax advice or recommendations they give.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 08, 2022 01:36 PM (b2nrj)

182 105 The Dems have simply gone YOLO indicating a real fear of being dispatched in the coming elections. If they had the elections rigged, they would not have been in a rush to pass this bill before the elections.

I agree whig I think this is an indicator.

and the primaries where the GOPe cadre was unable to beat the trump-backed candidates with even quite a bit of vote fraud, that spooked them and caused them to push this thru
Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 08, 2022 01:27 PM (w0NJk)

GOP will be tanking the senate races.
House will be more difficult, but Senate... they've tanked them the last couple times and they will again.

Posted by: Inogame, non alius regit at August 08, 2022 01:36 PM (53oGX)

183 176 OT/ are there any Wyoming people here ?How concerned should we be about the Dems switching parties to vote for Chaney
Posted by: It's me donna at August 08, 2022 01:36 PM (bs+z0)

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There are not enough Democrats in the state of Wyoming to make it work.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 01:36 PM (LvTSG)

184 The 2 “independents” caucus with Ds. I’ve never understood the point of that. I guess the river in VT and ME think being independent means something.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 08, 2022 01:36 PM (3vQN0)

185 The IRS.

The Democrats Praetorian Guard.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at August 08, 2022 01:37 PM (lf83v)

186 118 quite literally, this is what one of the bad guys says in one of the later Harry Potter movies.

Thus far, the Zillennials and Millennials have not grasped this yet: how much the Biden administration is exactly what all their dystopian favorites warned about.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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A majority of Z yutes don't like the Biden admin nor the traditional Democratic party--they just don't like Republicans much as here. A majority of Millennials are the dystopian change that they sought because of stupid quasi religious beliefs that the world will end in a ball of heat.

Posted by: whig at August 08, 2022 01:37 PM (CXr4y)

187 139>>> "Taxation without representation" was the rallying cry for something substantially less than the tax burden just voted on by the current oppressive ruling regime.

If we were to dump a load of Lipton tea in Boston Harbor commensurate with the proportionally increased load put on Americans' backs by DC, you'd be able to walk directly North from the harbor to Bunker Hill without getting your feet wet.

Posted by: red speck at August 08, 2022 01:37 PM (gS3OW)

188 I do have a question for the Horde, though. Why are the GOP the minority when they have 50 and the Dems only have 48?
Posted by: Jordan61
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Because they hav 50 votes when Sanders and the other commie are added.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 08, 2022 01:37 PM (rY/MT)

189 First audit that baldy guy up top, then move on to Hunter Biden and then to the Big Guy.

Posted by: LASue at August 08, 2022 01:37 PM (Ed8Zd)

190 Secondly, Mitch and Schumer made a deal where Schumer was majority leader.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 01:36 PM (LvTSG)

Figures. Thanks, I thought I remembered that happening but I can't seem to trust my memory anymore.

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 08, 2022 01:37 PM (DRSnL)

191 How many of those 87,000 agents will be working on the Biden's family taxes?

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at August 08, 2022 01:37 PM (lf83v)

192 "Taxation without representation" was the rallying cry for something substantially less than the tax burden just voted on by the current oppressive ruling regime.

DC license plates actually say "Taxation without representation". I laugh almost every time I see one (which is often in the Baltimore area).

Posted by: Ian S. at August 08, 2022 01:38 PM (ZGrMX)

193 I do have a question for the Horde, though. Why are the GOP the minority when they have 50 and the Dems only have 48?
Posted by: Jordan61 at August 08, 2022 01:35 PM (DRSnL)
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It's really 50 Democrats, once you add King and Bernie back in (as you should).

Then, with Kumlala voting to break ties, Demofascists control the Senate.

Thank you West Virginia, for buying Manchin's bullshit every six years.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 08, 2022 01:38 PM (MvxGv)

194 184 The 2 “independents” caucus with Ds. I’ve never understood the point of that. I guess the river in VT and ME think being independent means something.
Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 08, 2022 01:36 PM (3vQN0)

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It works for Bernie and King, probably because they are effectively Democrats and the DNC won't really fight them electorally.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 01:38 PM (LvTSG)

195 There are multiple real-world tests where a typical 1040 with Schedule C return is submitted to several accountants and ex-IRS examiners to calculate.

Every single one comes up with a different answer.

That's not lack of honesty, that intentional entrapment.
100% of the time you will get a different answer than the audit. 100% of the time you will owe penalties and interest.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 08, 2022 01:38 PM (+1NBs)

196 re 160: yes, thought about King, wasn't sure if he was still around. He's not a camera hog like Sanders.

Posted by: mallfly the peach of Hoboken at August 08, 2022 01:38 PM (Ynyl9)

197 >>>
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I do have a question for the Horde, though. Why are the GOP the minority when they have 50 and the Dems only have 48?
Posted by: Jordan61 at August 08, 2022 01:35 PM (DRSnL)

We have no idea.

Posted by: GOPe at August 08, 2022 01:38 PM (llON8)

198 "If there's no reason to be fearful, and if you paid your taxes and if you complied with our laws, you should want to make sure everyone else does that."
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If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 08, 2022 01:38 PM (5zg1j)

199 Yeah, this would be the same IRS that DELETED the tax returns of MILLIONS of taxpayers last year? Because they filed on paper, like they were supposed to?

Which has led to LOTS of questions.. delayed tax returns, and of course.... audits as some of the paperwork will now be gone.

Congress's Solution to a failure of Government, is ALWAYS more Government.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 08, 2022 01:38 PM (oHd/0)

200 If the average adult can't hold the handbook in one hand, you need to make the handbook smaller.

Corollary: If your handbook stands more than one hand tall, you need to make the handbook smaller.

Posted by: Lord-Emperor Warai-otoko's new "Rule of Hand" at August 08, 2022 01:36 PM (/EuRN)

You want: A one-hand tall handbook.

You'd settle for: A one-handed handbook.

You'll get: A microdot printed handbook on a micro SD card.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 08, 2022 01:39 PM (U3uv2)

201 >>House will be more difficult, but Senate... they've tanked them the last couple times and they will again.

Despite predictions to the contrary Republican actually won seats in the House in 2020 while Biden had a big victory which is pretty much impossible.

The Trump backed candidates aren't looking to tank anything, they want to win.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2022 01:39 PM (ZLI7S)

202 190 Figures. Thanks, I thought I remembered that happening but I can't seem to trust my memory anymore.
Posted by: Jordan61 at August 08, 2022 01:37 PM (DRSnL)

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Because of a couple of extended absences of individual Democrats (there was the NM senator who was in the hospital for a while), McConnell has been effectively majority leader several times this Congress.

And yet...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 01:39 PM (LvTSG)

203 My neighbor sent in his return along with a check for a couple of hundred to the IRS. Nine months later, the IRS sent him a notice that he had failed to file. He responded to them that the filing was in the same envelope as the check that they had cashed within a week of him mailing it. I mentioned this on a financial blog, and found at least a dozen more instances of the same thing happening.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 08, 2022 01:39 PM (lTGtQ)

204 How can the testimony of any FBI Agent be valid in courtroom testimony? When in front of Congress they can’t remember very much.and come across as very stupid. Supposedly they don’t record conversations and write their notes afterwards, so any defendant could point to the lack of memory and challenge their testimony.

Posted by: Ron at August 08, 2022 01:39 PM (AtKtr)

205 I think every single federal employee, from POTUS on down to the lowest mail clerk should make their tax returns public information, so that the public, which supposedly pays their salaries, can verify on their own that their tax returns are honest.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 08, 2022 01:39 PM (YIVH2)

206 164 I have had one return kicked back by the IRS. It was because of restricted stock, which is a tax mess under the best of circumstances. The IRS, not me, screwed it up. I got a letter in the mail telling me I had something absurd like three days to respond to their assertion that I owed them like $12k in taxes. I had self-filed.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 01:33 PM (WWh8n)
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Dude, see my comment above. If you're returns involve things like restricted stock, you should really be using a professional CPA to prepare them. It's like an additional shield. There's no doubt in my mind that at least part of the reason your return was audited was because they saw an individual-prepared return involving restricted stock. They figured (i) you didn't know what you were doing and they'd "get you" easily and/or (ii) you were cheating and no professional CPA would have signed off on it.

Posted by: Elric Blade at August 08, 2022 01:40 PM (iFTx/)

207 As I recall during the Bush era investigation of the IRS, even the IRS didn't know all the tax laws and how to make a bullet proof tax return. I can't imagine that they have become better in the intervening years.

Posted by: Darth Randall at August 08, 2022 01:40 PM (zL564)

208 There are not enough Democrats in the state of Wyoming to make it work.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 01:36 PM (LvTSG)

Nice. Luckily Kevin Costner didn't change his registration from commie California.

Posted by: LASue at August 08, 2022 01:40 PM (Ed8Zd)

209 "All of my GOP friends who are worried about 87,000 IRS enforcement agents"

Like this guy has any GOP friends. I'm all but certain everybody sane has grown tired of his 'Donald Trump broke my dolly!' schtick a long time ago.

Posted by: William F. "Buck" Dharma at August 08, 2022 01:40 PM (oedLL)

210 Posters saying you don't have to worry if you've done nothing wrong are funny.

Posting on this blog is doing something wrong.

Posted by: Eskimo at August 08, 2022 01:40 PM (ZYNmu)

211 87,000 new tax lawyers

Are they working on commission, I wonder?

Posted by: t-bird at August 08, 2022 01:40 PM (Jg92y)

212 Adam Markowitz and Ben Cardin should enjoy the blessings of Government that he wishes for. Lots and lots of audits...and not just from the IRS...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 08, 2022 01:40 PM (ynpvh)

213 205 I think every single federal employee, from POTUS on down to the lowest mail clerk should make their tax returns public information, so that the public, which supposedly pays their salaries, can verify on their own that their tax returns are honest.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 08, 2022 01:39 PM (YIVH2)

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Federal employees and contractors should be barred from voting or giving to any political causes of any kind.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 01:40 PM (LvTSG)

214 The left is taking a bizarre stance: If you haven't committed any crime, you... shouldn't worry about cops demanding, on penalty of fine and imprisonmen, that you answer their questions and show them your papers.

What, you mean like stop and frisk?

Posted by: Oddbob at August 08, 2022 01:40 PM (nfrXX)

215
You know who else will be exempt from audits?

The foreign citizens of shithole countries who live in the USA illegally.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at August 08, 2022 01:40 PM (TldeD)

216 re 183: Althouse had an entry about Dick Cheney cutting an ad for Liz. She had a long quote from about 11 years ago from (spelling...) Conor Friesendorf about what a despicable person Dick Cheney was

Posted by: mallfly the peach of Hoboken at August 08, 2022 01:40 PM (Ynyl9)

217 211 87,000 new tax lawyers
Are they working on commission, I wonder?
Posted by: t-bird at August 08, 2022 01:40 PM (Jg92y)

No quotas, as that would be illegal...but merely expectations.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 08, 2022 01:41 PM (ynpvh)

218 Is Al Sharpton on board with this?

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at August 08, 2022 01:41 PM (lf83v)

219 "Nothing to fear if you comply" turns the concept of innocent-until-proven-guilty on its head. It is completely bass-ackwards to jurisprudence over the past 500 years. I don't have to prove my innocence: you have to demonstrate my guilt.

Except, of course, for the IRS.

That the IRS, which already existed under this guilty-until-you-prove-your-innocence mode, is the outfit that the Dems choose to expand and further empower (as opposed to, say, normal policing where you are innocent until proven guilty) shows the Dems to be on a mad power drive and looking for the capability to penalize / incarcerate people without having to go through normal procedures.

Damn right I'm alarmed.

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at August 08, 2022 01:41 PM (K58O6)

220 The IRS could hire one agent to review the Biden family, and make far more money than hiring 78K agents to go after a few million gig workers.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 08, 2022 01:41 PM (lTGtQ)

221 That's not lack of honesty, that intentional entrapment.
100% of the time you will get a different answer than the audit. 100% of the time you will owe penalties and interest.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 08, 2022 01:38 PM (+1NBs)

I was audited the first FOUR YEARS after my divorce... why? I was receiving child support, vice paying it.

Luckily I was in the Navy, so my Tax returns were not complicated... They finally put a note in my file NOT to audit based on that ONE Red Flag.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 08, 2022 01:41 PM (oHd/0)

222 My neighbor sent in his return along with a check for a couple of hundred to the IRS. Nine months later, the IRS sent him a notice that he had failed to file. He responded to them that the filing was in the same envelope as the check that they had cashed within a week of him mailing it. I mentioned this on a financial blog, and found at least a dozen more instances of the same thing happening.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 08, 2022 01:39 PM (lTGtQ)

Always send returns/check by certified mail.

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at August 08, 2022 01:41 PM (GsQOb)

223 re 214: the Bill of Rights doesn't say anything about the IRS, does it?

Posted by: mallfly the peach of Hoboken at August 08, 2022 01:41 PM (Ynyl9)

224 So until I see an actual rise in the number of audits, I'll be cautiously optimistic that this is just another Full Employment Act for stupid useless people.

Posted by: Elric Blade at August 08, 2022 01:17 PM (iFTx/)

It's not like the recent history of the IRS suggests they are going to target people and organizations politically.

BTW they can make "make work" jobs st any government bureaucracy. They chose the IRS. The sand is not a good place to put your head.

Posted by: ... at August 08, 2022 01:41 PM (un7FC)

225 210 Posters saying you don't have to worry if you've done nothing wrong are funny.

Posting on this blog is doing something wrong.

Posted by: Eskimo at August 08, 2022 01:40 PM (ZYNmu)

But often VERY funny.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 08, 2022 01:41 PM (ynpvh)

226
Where I see the IRS harassing a lot of people is small business owners (like me)

Just like ObamaCare screwed them over also.

Small business owners are overwhelmingly Republican, and that's the point of the focus.

A Fortune 500 company writing off a Gulfstream? Totally okay.

A plumber writing off a new truck? Let's see every receipt and your travel log.

Posted by: Blago at August 08, 2022 01:41 PM (k1EW5)

227 Google de-listed the Babylon Bee app from its App Store.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at August 08, 2022 01:41 PM (zajeO)

228 Posters saying you don't have to worry if you've done nothing wrong are funny.

Posting on this blog is doing something wrong.
Posted by: Eskimo at August 08, 2022 01:40

Disbelieving the BS about vaccines and boosters is doing something wrong.
Being a registered republican is doing something wrong.
Supporting Pres. Trump is REALLY doing something wrong.

Posted by: LASue at August 08, 2022 01:41 PM (Ed8Zd)

229 176 Donna. I would not worry too much, there are not that many Wyoming Dems.

Just like the other night in The Swamp I saw a Lamborghini with Montana tags illegally parked. I realized this was likely the first and last time sI would see a Lamborghini with Montana tags.

Posted by: Quint at August 08, 2022 01:41 PM (btbnt)

230 Markowitz has restricted his Tweet now so only those he follows can respond.

Typical cowardly leftist.

Posted by: IrishEi at August 08, 2022 01:41 PM (3ImbR)

231 >>> 204 How can the testimony of any FBI Agent be valid in courtroom testimony? When in front of Congress they can’t remember very much.and come across as very stupid. Supposedly they don’t record conversations and write their notes afterwards, so any defendant could point to the lack of memory and challenge their testimony.
Posted by: Ron at August 08, 2022 01:39 PM (AtKtr)

"Supposedly" nothing; look up From 302.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 08, 2022 01:41 PM (llON8)

232 Posting on this blog is doing something wrong.

Right. The left isn't deciding this stuff based on law and justice, or any sort of ethics. Its religious based: are you a heretic or the faithful? And what is faithful changes almost daily.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 08, 2022 01:41 PM (Ivdso)

233 Is the IRS planning on opening an office in the Ukraine?

Taiwan?

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at August 08, 2022 01:42 PM (lf83v)

234 GOP will be tanking the senate races.
House will be more difficult, but Senate... they've tanked them the last couple times and they will again.

Posted by: Inogame
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I think that things are moving beyond McConnell and the GOPe to control them for this election. Basically too many fires among the rubes and not enough firemen. The old GOPe megadonor schtick is dying where corporate types are being put up as candidates and the good ship of GOPe is springing leaks as one by one those that voted for Impeachment part deux are being eliminated. Same as new winning candidates like Lake are specifically telling the GOPe professional campaign staff to stuff it. They are both incompetent and corrupt and now their faces are being smeared with defeat and/or the Lincoln project fiasco.

Posted by: whig at August 08, 2022 01:42 PM (CXr4y)

235 Dude, see my comment above. If you're returns involve things like restricted stock, you should really be using a professional CPA to prepare them. It's like an additional shield. There's no doubt in my mind that at least part of the reason your return was audited was because they saw an individual-prepared return involving restricted stock. They figured (i) you didn't know what you were doing and they'd "get you" easily and/or (ii) you were cheating and no professional CPA would have signed off on it.
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 08, 2022 01:40 PM (iFTx/)
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Yeah, I've gone back and forth on it. I do as good as job as the tax preparers (even the CPAs - I have some wrinkles, but nothing that is actually all that complicated) and I resent needing to pay them. Some years, I have simply to reduce audit risk. I guess I'll be doing that even more in the future. It's a great way to have the whole thing cost even more. Hooray.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 01:42 PM (WWh8n)

236 224 So until I see an actual rise in the number of audits, I'll be cautiously optimistic that this is just another Full Employment Act for stupid useless people.

Posted by: Elric Blade at August 08, 2022 01:17 PM (iFTx/)

It's not like the recent history of the IRS suggests they are going to target people and organizations politically.

BTW they can make "make work" jobs st any government bureaucracy. They chose the IRS. The sand is not a good place to put your head.
Posted by: ... at August 08, 2022 01:41 PM (un7FC)
______________________

Panic is not a good place to put your head either

Posted by: Elric Blade at August 08, 2022 01:42 PM (iFTx/)

237 Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at August 08, 2022 01:41 PM (K58O6)

Yeah.... so much for 'safe in your persons and PAPERS'... when they can see anything they want, anytime they want.

And have broken the barrier on Attorney Client privilege by going after Trump Lawyers.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 08, 2022 01:42 PM (oHd/0)

238 This country is a joke.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at August 08, 2022 01:42 PM (R8u//)

239 >>> 210 Posters saying you don't have to worry if you've done nothing wrong are funny.

Posting on this blog is doing something wrong.
Posted by: Eskimo at August 08, 2022 01:40 PM (ZYNmu)

Look at all these Thought Criminals!

REEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

Posted by: leftists at August 08, 2022 01:43 PM (llON8)

240 So are they going to audit all of our illegal immigrants who work under the table? And the employers who hire and pay them under the table?

Last time CA posted how much they were shorted by this, they said they were missing about $6 billion.

Posted by: Ultra pj at August 08, 2022 01:43 PM (G1dq6)

241 Google de-listed the Babylon Bee app from its App Store.
_____________________________________________

Humorless pricks.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at August 08, 2022 01:43 PM (lf83v)

242 I wonder how many federal employees are audited? Senators?

My bet is "zero".

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 08, 2022 01:43 PM (MvxGv)

243 A Fortune 500 company writing off a Gulfstream? Totally okay.

A plumber writing off a new truck? Let's see every receipt and your travel log.
Posted by: Blago at August 08, 2022 01:41 PM (k1EW5)

How about a "public servant" named Wray using a publicly funded Gulf Stream for a personal vacay?

Posted by: LASue at August 08, 2022 01:43 PM (Ed8Zd)

244 I'd like to know where they came up with the number 87,000. How did they calculate they needed that number of new IRS auditors?

Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2022 01:43 PM (ZLI7S)

245 Panic is not a good place to put your head either
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 08, 2022 01:42 PM (iFTx/)

Yeah.... that big damn crack in the big damn Dam?

Don't Panic... nothing to see...

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 08, 2022 01:44 PM (oHd/0)

246 re 219: "It is completely bass-ackwards to jurisprudence over the past 500 years. I don't have to prove my innocence: you have to demonstrate my guilt."

doesn't apply to non-criminal stuff. Think of the EPA or OSHA.

Posted by: mallfly the peach of Hoboken at August 08, 2022 01:44 PM (Ynyl9)

247 This callipygian brunette in a white dress is preparing to spit on any IRS person who walks by her building:
https://is.gd/ft72xI

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 01:44 PM (WWh8n)

248 Sucks that Ted Cruz forgot about his "Abolish the IRS" shtick when it wasn't useful to him (and we had both houses and the presidency)

Posted by: Bandana Dee at August 08, 2022 01:44 PM (oy4r9)

249 "Crapo amendment to the Manchin bill to limit the bill's 87,000 new IRS agents to auditing comapnes and individuals with income of $400,000 or more FAILED 50-50."

I always found Senator Crapo's name a bit humorous, especially when he beat his opponents...
"They can't even beat Crap[o]!"

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 08, 2022 01:44 PM (ynpvh)

250 We hired a CPA for the first time last year because Dolley had exercised the stock option and sold the stock of the startup she had been working for when it got bought by another company. It was something like a $27,000 profit off of a less than $1,000 investment.

We weren't going to get that wrong.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 01:44 PM (LvTSG)

251 2020 while Biden had a big victory which is pretty much impossible.

I do not understand those words in that order.

Posted by: golfman at August 08, 2022 01:44 PM (aX0CW)

252 re 242: does Trump count?

Posted by: mallfly the peach of Hoboken at August 08, 2022 01:45 PM (Ynyl9)

253 All of the 3 letter agencies have become oppressive and political, without exception.
Why should the IRS be any different?

Posted by: gourmand du jour, with capers at August 08, 2022 01:45 PM (jTmQV)

254 Ah, the old guilty until you prove your own innocence gambit.

Peppers, show me your peppers.

Posted by: Archer at August 08, 2022 01:45 PM (gmo/4)

255 239 >>> 210 Posters saying you don't have to worry if you've done nothing wrong are funny.

Posting on this blog is doing something wrong.
Posted by: Eskimo at August 08, 2022 01:40 PM (ZYNmu)

Look at all these Thought Criminals!
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
Posted by: leftists at August 08, 2022 01:43 PM (llON

Shared a meme on F Book Yesterday... said:

If you are not on a Watch List by now?
You should be ashamed.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 08, 2022 01:45 PM (oHd/0)

256 No, there are 48 Dems and 2 Independents (Sanders being one of them)
Posted by: Jordan61 at August 08, 2022 01:31 PM (DRSnL)

I find it delightful that Bernie voted for that.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 08, 2022 01:45 PM (xhaym)

257 87,000 new tax lawyers
Are they working on commission, I wonder?
Posted by: t-bird at August 08, 2022 01:40 PM (Jg92y)

No quotas, as that would be illegal...but merely expectations.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 08, 2022 01:41 PM (ynpvh)

Rewards for "results."

Posted by: LASue at August 08, 2022 01:45 PM (Ed8Zd)

258 Abolish direct taxation from the federal government to citizens.

States tax their own citizens. FedGov taxes the state's government directly. One pissed off governor is gonna whittle down the "scope of government" a hell of a lot faster than a diffuse, disaffected rabble of anonymous schmucks.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 08, 2022 01:45 PM (/EuRN)

259 Next thing you'll hear from Cadaver Joe is how he was able to create so many jobs to bolster his booming economy. This is how evil these people are. They fucking hate you.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 08, 2022 01:46 PM (WHt4f)

260 King George III never had 87,000 tax agents and we shot them.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at August 08, 2022 01:46 PM (lf83v)

261 246 re 219: "It is completely bass-ackwards to jurisprudence over the past 500 years. I don't have to prove my innocence: you have to demonstrate my guilt."

doesn't apply to non-criminal stuff. Think of the EPA or OSHA.
Posted by: mallfly the peach of Hoboken at August 08, 2022 01:44 PM (Ynyl9)

Administrative court system. Complete scam.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 08, 2022 01:46 PM (Y5qcH)

262 256 No, there are 48 Dems and 2 Independents (Sanders being one of them)
Posted by: Jordan61 at August 08, 2022 01:31 PM (DRSnL)

I find it delightful that Bernie voted for that.
Posted by: Kindltot at August 08, 2022 01:45 PM (xhaym)

=========

Especially since he keeps shitting on it. "He said mean things about the thing he voted for! He's so independent!"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 01:46 PM (LvTSG)

263 253 All of the 3 letter agencies have become oppressive and political, without exception.
Why should the IRS be any different?
Posted by: gourmand du jour, with capers at August 08, 2022 01:45 PM (jTmQV)

And we all know the IRS is ABOVE Politics!

/sniff

Posted by: Lois Lerner at August 08, 2022 01:46 PM (oHd/0)

264 >>> 253 All of the 3 letter agencies have become oppressive and political, without exception.
Why should the IRS be any different?
Posted by: gourmand du jour, with capers at August 08, 2022 01:45 PM (jTmQV)

We are auditing you to correct historical imbalances caused by racism, Comrade.

Posted by: IRS at August 08, 2022 01:46 PM (llON8)

265 My war with the yellow woodpecker continues. He's winning.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 08, 2022 01:46 PM (MvxGv)

266 Most cheating for taxes occurs with the EITC tax credit, which is basically just welfare.

Posted by: Blago at August 08, 2022 01:46 PM (k1EW5)

267 King George III never had 87,000 tax agents and we shot them.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at August 08, 2022 01:46 PM (lf83v)

Buy ammo?

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 08, 2022 01:46 PM (U3uv2)

268 Bureaucracy breeds more Bureaucracy

Posted by: Skip's phone at August 08, 2022 01:47 PM (alR0E)

269 Whoa I'm way late to the thread. Interesting that even against the deep stage powers Trump got so many additional audits of the EITC folks in 2020.

Of course if the IRS was not yet another program for wealth distribution it would not be necessary to audit the bottom 20-30% to make sure they are not claiming kids they don't have to boost their welfare check.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at August 08, 2022 01:47 PM (3cGpq)

270 261 246 re 219: "It is completely bass-ackwards to jurisprudence over the past 500 years. I don't have to prove my innocence: you have to demonstrate my guilt."

doesn't apply to non-criminal stuff. Think of the EPA or OSHA.
Posted by: mallfly the peach of Hoboken at August 08, 2022 01:44 PM (Ynyl9)

Administrative court system. Complete scam.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 08, 2022 01:46 PM (Y5qcH)

Don't even get me started on Family Courts.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 08, 2022 01:47 PM (oHd/0)

271 >>> 255
==
Shared a meme on F Book Yesterday... said:

If you are not on a Watch List by now?
You should be ashamed.
Posted by: Romeo13 at August 08, 2022 01:45 PM (oHd/0)

Heh. "My negative social credit score is lower than yours!"

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 08, 2022 01:47 PM (llON8)

272 Buy ammo?
_________________________________

Or tar and feather. I hear that was very persuasive.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at August 08, 2022 01:47 PM (lf83v)

273 This callipygian brunette in a white dress is preparing to spit on any IRS person who walks by her building:
https://is.gd/ft72xI
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 01:44 PM (WWh8n)

I had to look up what callipygian means! My word for the day...

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at August 08, 2022 01:48 PM (GsQOb)

274 201 >>House will be more difficult, but Senate... they've tanked them the last couple times and they will again.

Despite predictions to the contrary Republican actually won seats in the House in 2020 while Biden had a big victory which is pretty much impossible.

The Trump backed candidates aren't looking to tank anything, they want to win.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2022 01:39 PM (ZLI7S)

I have no doubt this is true.
My point isn't that the new blood wants victory but that the old guard will do whatever it takes to throw the game. My phrasing was to mean it will be more difficult for the GOP to throw the house.
2020 the GOP should have won the house, and they certainly should have retained the senate. Yet, here we are.

Posted by: Inogame, non alius regit at August 08, 2022 01:48 PM (53oGX)

275 I think these alphabet agencies need to be scattered all over the US.

Not so much that it will change the makeup of the staffs but when they do break the law, they will not have sympathetic 96% dem jurors.

Posted by: golfman at August 08, 2022 01:48 PM (aX0CW)

276 >>> 265 My war with the yellow woodpecker continues. He's winning.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 08, 2022 01:46 PM (MvxGv)

Have you consulted Nurse Ratched?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 08, 2022 01:48 PM (llON8)

277 The IRS, like the USPS, truly does have unique, debilitating problems that need to be addressed: Not enough minimum wage mailroom clerks to open & sort the incoming returns & payments, & incredibly long delays for the taxpayer assistance help line.

I DO honestly believe that hiring an accountant to prepare individual tax returns each year works as a jockstrap-- the IRS looks at that "paid preparer" line & figures there probably are better opportunities elsewhere.

Posted by: mnw at August 08, 2022 01:49 PM (NLIak)

278 87,000 government agents.

There are 3144 counties in the US.

That's an average of more than 27 agents per US county.

Wow.
Posted by: golfman at August 08, 2022 01:36 PM (aX0CW)

I hope 90 % go to L.A. Cty., King City., Marin Cty., Manhattan Cty. and Fairfax Cty.

Posted by: LASue at August 08, 2022 01:49 PM (Ed8Zd)

279 A fully truthful and accurate tax return is bulletproof in an audit. I never understood the fear of an IRS audit. Don't lie. Period.

--
So then you will volunteer to be audited first, Comrade Markowitz?

If your truly have nothing to hide, then have no fear, agents of The State never make errors!

Posted by: NJ Class Traitor at August 08, 2022 01:49 PM (c1efv)

280 This is what we get for electing Trump. Twice.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 08, 2022 01:50 PM (KbCG3)

281 @184 The 2 “independents” caucus with Ds. I’ve never understood the point of that. I guess the river in VT and ME think being independent means something.

----

Bernie's only an Independent until the Presidential Campaign season rollsaround again.

Posted by: junior at August 08, 2022 01:50 PM (6STwu)

282 This callipygian brunette in a white dress is preparing to spit on any IRS person who walks by her building:
https://is.gd/ft72xI
==
That's a tranny.

Posted by: Made you look at August 08, 2022 01:50 PM (F5ivJ)

283 >>> 277 The IRS, like the USPS, truly does have unique, debilitating problems that need to be addressed: Not enough minimum wage mailroom clerks to open & sort the incoming returns & payments, & incredibly long delays for the taxpayer assistance help line.

I DO honestly believe that hiring an accountant to prepare individual tax returns each year works as a jockstrap-- the IRS looks at that "paid preparer" line & figures there probably are better opportunities elsewhere.

Posted by: mnw at August 08, 2022 01:49 PM (NLIak)

Not for long.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 08, 2022 01:50 PM (llON8)

284 266 Most cheating for taxes occurs with the EITC tax credit, which is basically just welfare.
Posted by: Blago at August 08, 2022 01:46 PM (k1EW5)

Yeah, I understand we want to help families... but...

Why does a family of 4.. with Mom workin and 3 kids in school, which takes up HUGE amounts of public resources...

Pay MUCH less in taxes, than a Single Person with no kids, who has a job, and is not any type of burden to the State?

And I say this as someone who WAS a full time single parent... just never seemed Fair to me.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 08, 2022 01:50 PM (oHd/0)

285
Thing is - why do Dems get to claim a majority when they don't have one except by dint of (I)s who caucus with them? I would think the GOP could make a case that they in fact should get the committee majorities, straight to the voters, and make a big stink about it.

If'n they didn't love Dem control of the Senate like BabeThePigBoi loves 38 sweaty cocks in his twink face, which they do. Both of those things.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 08, 2022 01:50 PM (IXpV7)

286 Grandma's IRA needs looking into baby! Fucking Democrats.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at August 08, 2022 01:51 PM (oWBc3)

287 285
Thing is - why do Dems get to claim a majority when they don't have one except by dint of (I)s who caucus with them? I would think the GOP could make a case that they in fact should get the committee majorities, straight to the voters, and make a big stink about it.

If'n they didn't love Dem control of the Senate like BabeThePigBoi loves 38 sweaty cocks in his twink face, which they do. Both of those things.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 08, 2022 01:50 PM (IXpV7)

==========

Because Mitch McConnell is the Republican leader in the Senate, and his interests do not align with such a strategy.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 01:51 PM (LvTSG)

288 How totally shocking and unexpected that a person whose job it is to get paid to defend people whose taxes are being audited, is wildly supportive a vast increase in the number of audits being performed. Who could have predicted this unlikely, nay impossible, nay inconceivable event?

Posted by: Anotheranon at August 08, 2022 01:51 PM (8Ze5j)

289 So are they going to audit all of our illegal immigrants who work under the table? And the employers who hire and pay them under the table?
Posted by: Ultra pj at August 08, 2022 01:43 PM (G1dq6)

The employers don't need to pay them under the table, no one checks the SSN. If anyone provides a SSN card - as long as the number is plausable, no one cares, no one checks, there is no down side to employing that person.
The only time it becomes an issue is when there are unpaid taxes - and the tax payer has filed their taxes under an ITIN, legally since that is the only thing and ITIN is used for - the taxing authority has to find the fake SSN that they taxpayer has been working under so the wages can be garnished.
It is not generally difficult, just no one does it outside of that situation.

Imagine refusing the employers' write-offs for employee wages if the SSN is false? Wouldn't that create a need for more scrutiny on SSN and employability?

Posted by: Kindltot at August 08, 2022 01:52 PM (xhaym)

290 =========

Especially since he keeps shitting on it. "He said mean things about the thing he voted for! He's so independent!"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 01:46 PM (LvTSG)

At his age, I'm sure he shits on things on accident.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 08, 2022 01:52 PM (Zz0t1)

291 >>2020 the GOP should have won the house, and they certainly should have retained the senate. Yet, here we are.

They lost the Senate because Mitch didn't do squat to help in GA and after the debacle in the general a lot of voters sat home for the special election.

Plus, I have zero doubt they cheated in GA in the special election just as they did in the general.

I agree that the establishment is less concerned about winning in the Senate although I don't think there that many if any Republican Senators who are happy about this bill. That doesn't mean they are on our side but this POS bill is going to hurt the country bad.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2022 01:52 PM (ZLI7S)

292 do have a question for the Horde, though. Why are the GOP the minority when they have 50 and the Dems only have 48?
Posted by: Jordan61 at August 08, 2022 01:35 PM (DRSnL)

Since they have 50 Democrats as the two independents vote with the Democrats all the time instead of being "independent" and there is a Democrat VP who is the actual president of the Senate, the Dems have 51 votes and are the majority. Whatever deal was worked out between Schumer and McConnell was meaningless because Schumer has the actual power. This is why losing the Georgia Senator race was bad, and why many of us tear our hair out when people strut about saying they are going to vote for the Democrat to teach the Republicans a lesson. Whatever party is in power via majority, they also control all the committees via having a one vote majority on them and the chairmanship, which decides what they are taking up and what they aren't.

Posted by: Jen the original at August 08, 2022 01:52 PM (U4yaZ)

293 It's Obama's private police force that he pined for.

And this police force doesn't have to observe Constitutional protections for the citizenry.

What happened to my country?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at August 08, 2022 01:52 PM (km3rg)

294 All of my African-American friends who are worried about police officers pulling you over... How about just don't do anything wrong? A fully truthful and accurate answer to a police officer is bulletproof. I never understood the fear of the police. Don't lie. Period.

Posted by: Eric at August 08, 2022 01:52 PM (a2F+C)

295 I DO honestly believe that hiring an accountant to prepare individual tax returns each year works as a jockstrap-- the IRS looks at that "paid preparer" line & figures there probably are better opportunities elsewhere.

Posted by: mnw at August 08, 2022 01:49 PM (NLIak)

Not for long.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 08, 2022 01:50 PM (llON

It's going to drive more Returns to use online services... like Turbo Tax, where you can pay a little extra for audit protection. Hmmm... wonder how much THAT company paid to get this passed.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 08, 2022 01:52 PM (oHd/0)

296 Oh, it will take years to gear up for this. Slowly will the tyranny come, until it comes all at once. And you'll be sitting there saying "I never believed it would actually happen!"

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 08, 2022 01:32 PM (MvxGv)

---------

Just learned also that this latest destructive debacle of a bill also has Trump's SALT deductions expiring in 2025 -- so it will be back to R no- or low-state income tax denizens subsidizing wealthy D-state shithole occupiers.

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, it gets worse here every day at August 08, 2022 01:52 PM (K+jdV)

297 This callipygian brunette in a white dress is preparing to spit on any IRS person who walks by her building:
https://is.gd/ft72xI
==
That's a tranny.
Posted by: Made you look

Slip and slide with ~~Power~~Astroglide?

Posted by: Tonypete at August 08, 2022 01:53 PM (LsEU/)

298
Because Mitch McConnell is the Republican leader in the Senate, and his interests do not align with such a strategy.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 01:51 PM (LvTSG)

Exactly.

And the same goes for the rest of his caucus. Because they are all toadies and cucktwinks, lining up for the next blast to the face at the Great American Piss Orgy in DC.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 08, 2022 01:54 PM (IXpV7)

299 Administrative court system. Complete scam.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 08, 2022 01:46 PM (Y5qcH)

The closest thing to the Napoleonic Code that we have in the US outside of Louisiana.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 08, 2022 01:54 PM (xhaym)

300 2020 the GOP should have won the house, and they certainly should have retained the senate. Yet, here we are.

We get zero credit.

C'mon!

Posted by: Dominion Voting Systems at August 08, 2022 01:54 PM (km3rg)

301 273 This callipygian brunette in a white dress is preparing to spit on any IRS person who walks by her building:
https://is.gd/ft72xI
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 01:44 PM (WWh8n)

I had to look up what callipygian means! My word for the day...
Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at August 08, 2022 01:48 PM (GsQOb)
_____________________________

It's a good word. The Venus Callipyge is one ancient sculpture of women with a body that would conform to the modern standards of beauty, especially in hips and butt. Many statues of beautiful women from that time would be considered fat or chunky by modern standards.

Posted by: Elric Blade at August 08, 2022 01:54 PM (iFTx/)

302 The 2 “independents” caucus with Ds. I’ve never understood the point of that. I guess the river in VT and ME think being independent means something.
Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 08, 2022 01:36 PM (3vQN0)
********
Many voters are naive and stupid. That way they can say, " I didn't vote for any party, I voted for the Independent,". even though they actually voted for the Dem.

Posted by: redridinghood at August 08, 2022 01:55 PM (NpAcC)

303 "I never understood the fear of an IRS audit. Don't lie. Period."

That's someone who's never been through an audit. Shoot, organizations have sent the same income information to 7 different auditors and gotten 7 different answers for how much they owe.

Posted by: SkylerKat at August 08, 2022 01:55 PM (SXIn9)

304 Administrative court system. Complete scam.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe

----------------------------
That particular scam may be in trouble with Scotus taking two SEC cases involving just that issue. One case involves the exhaustion doctrine that lower courts have been using inappropriately to avoid cases involving constitutional issues and the second case involves violations of the separation of powers.

Posted by: whig at August 08, 2022 01:55 PM (CXr4y)

305 Have any of these fuckers tried to state that these new IRS agents would pay for themselves through the collection of taxes? I would imagine that these pricks are pretty damn expensive, so they're really expecting a windfall that they just voted along party lines to guarantee comes from a very large bucket of you and me.

"We're fucked" is kind of an understatement.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 08, 2022 01:55 PM (KbCG3)

306 I got a check from the IRS for interest on my refund because I got it so late. I was stunned.

Posted by: Javems at August 08, 2022 01:55 PM (AmoqO)

307 Ive never understood the fear of audits. If you have correct genetics (or have transtioned), you watch what you type on twitter, and you're up to date onn your vaccinations you have nothing to fear.

Posted by: Bandana Dee at August 08, 2022 01:55 PM (oy4r9)

308 How about just don't do anything wrong? A fully truthful and accurate answer to a police officer is bulletproof. I never understood the fear of the police.

Chris Rock's rules to not get beat up by the cops are all valid and reasonable but... yeah some cops are just awful people or are having a bad day and a brotha gets to pay the price for that.

It doesn't happen as often as it used to, you're much more likely to be abused and beat up as a white guy now (there is no drawback for the cops to do so) but it definitely used to be a severe truth that some cops would roust you just for being black.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 08, 2022 01:55 PM (Ivdso)

309 Since a good percentage of returns are filed electronically, and, if there's a mistake, it gets flagged and rejected, there's no real reason to add additional agents.

Which means the current administration plans to use the power to tax as a cudgel against the American public.

our government is using every means at its disposal to get the Average American to hunker down and keep in their designated lane. I'll also bet social media will be scanned, looking for wrongthink, which will be considered grounds to kick off an audit.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 08, 2022 01:55 PM (5pTK/)

310 I think that things are moving beyond McConnell and the GOPe to control them for this election. Basically too many fires among the rubes and not enough firemen. The old GOPe megadonor schtick is dying where corporate types are being put up as candidates and the good ship of GOPe is springing leaks as one by one those that voted for Impeachment part deux are being eliminated. Same as new winning candidates like Lake are specifically telling the GOPe professional campaign staff to stuff it. They are both incompetent and corrupt and now their faces are being smeared with defeat and/or the Lincoln project fiasco.
Posted by: whig at August 08, 2022 01:42 PM (CXr4y)

I hope so, whig.
Really that's why I think they will only be able to tank the Senate but I think they will.
The house races will be too difficult to control at this point so they will concentrate on the Senate as more manageable.
Yes, extremely cynical, I'm guilty.
I want to be wrong here, I just don't think I am. The senate cannot be allowed to be controlled by the People, so it won't.

Posted by: Inogame, non alius regit at August 08, 2022 01:56 PM (53oGX)

311 Joe Biden's wet, productive cough sure makes it sound like he's over Covid.

https://bit.ly/3SDLRs2

Posted by: bonhomme at August 08, 2022 01:56 PM (eyxn4)

312 I'm somewhat surprised all 50 Republicans voted yes on the 400K amendment. If they want, they can become the party of the little guy, and would sweep every office in the land.

Do they want that?

Posted by: BurtTC at August 08, 2022 01:57 PM (YV6PJ)

313 Elite Leftists get a free pass on taxes violation

Posted by: Skip's phone at August 08, 2022 01:57 PM (alR0E)

314 >>>Most cheating for taxes occurs

>I do not understand these words.

"This is a stickup. Ok, here take my keys."

Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 08, 2022 01:58 PM (WHt4f)

315 >>> 312 I'm somewhat surprised all 50 Republicans voted yes on the 400K amendment. If they want, they can become the party of the little guy, and would sweep every office in the land.

Do they want that?
Posted by: BurtTC at August 08, 2022 01:57 PM (YV6PJ)

That's not who we are!

Posted by: GOPe at August 08, 2022 01:58 PM (llON8)

316 Elite Leftists get a free pass on taxes violation
Posted by: Skip's phone at August 08, 2022 01:57 PM (alR0E)

Imma go'n git me a beer.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 08, 2022 01:58 PM (Zz0t1)

317 Do they want that?

Let's just say its a lot easier to be the opposition party than to lead.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 08, 2022 01:58 PM (Ivdso)

318 >>"I never understood the fear of an IRS audit. Don'

Despite never finding any issues Trump has been audited every year for decades and he has a team of accountants working on his finances. I bet Trump is very happy with having to pay huge amounts of money to comply with audits year after year that only prove he is honest.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2022 01:58 PM (ZLI7S)

319 At this point, I think we kinda owe George III and Lord North an apology.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 08, 2022 01:58 PM (atmen)

320 34 There's nothing we can do.

Posted by: 2023 Gope controlled Congress at August 08, 2022 01:17 PM (9FBGz)

What are you talking about? They're going to hold hearings into Fauci and then stumble around stepping on their dicks when he refuses to show up and then nothing happens.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 08, 2022 01:59 PM (QRdjz)

321 312 I'm somewhat surprised all 50 Republicans voted yes on the 400K amendment. If they want, they can become the party of the little guy, and would sweep every office in the land.

Do they want that?
Posted by: BurtTC at August 08, 2022 01:57 PM (YV6PJ)
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I think it was all theater, including all GOP voting "no" on the overall bill. They knew the bill was going to pass even if they all voted no, so that's what they did. Had there been a few "no" votes from Dumocraps, there would have been a few "yes" votes from the GOP. This was going to pass no matter what. It was only down to the optics of who votes for what.

Posted by: Elric Blade at August 08, 2022 01:59 PM (iFTx/)

322 Obama/Biden weaponized the FBI and then they weaponized the IRS against tea party conservatives. Biden is just finishing the business that Obama started.

Posted by: redridinghood at August 08, 2022 01:59 PM (NpAcC)

323 At this point, I think we kinda owe George III and Lord North an apology.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 08, 2022 01:58 PM (atmen)

Damn straight, buddy. Those guys were pikers.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 08, 2022 01:59 PM (IXpV7)

324 Do they want that?
Posted by: BurtTC

You're kidding. right? We just want to be the ones to the keep the little guys and gals, and xers in their proper place out of the way of Progress.

Posted by: GOPe at August 08, 2022 01:59 PM (ftFVW)

325 >>> 318 >>"I never understood the fear of an IRS audit. Don'

Despite never finding any issues Trump has been audited every year for decades and he has a team of accountants working on his finances. I bet Trump is very happy with having to pay huge amounts of money to comply with audits year after year that only prove he is honest.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2022 01:58 PM (ZLI7S)

Large amounts of money which are totes affordable for average shcmoes on top of ludicrous inflation.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 08, 2022 02:00 PM (llON8)

326 That's someone who's never been through an audit. Shoot, organizations have sent the same income information to 7 different auditors and gotten 7 different answers for how much they owe.
Posted by: SkylerKat at August 08, 2022 01:55 PM (SXIn9)
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Because the tax code is *aweomse*

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 02:00 PM (WWh8n)

327 283 HHB

We'll see, but I tend to disagree. I doubt the IRS wants to tussle with another professional accountant, absent some obvious, glaring error.

A great many IRS accountants eventually go into private practice. There is a certain amount of professional deference, I suspect.

Plus, if you use the same accountant year after year, the IRS can see at a glance that there's never been a problem previously.

I think a paid tax professional is one of the shrewdest investments an individual taxpayer can make. I've read that the IRS has always regarded middle class taxpayers who prepare their own returns with a certain amount of initial suspicion, because most use paid preparers.

Posted by: mnw at August 08, 2022 02:00 PM (NLIak)

328 Imagine if Ron DeSantis said one day that "The State of Florida needs an additional $100 million worth of ammunition for our gaming commission", and then a few weeks later announced that "We're going to be hiring and extra 10,000 employees for our gaming commission".

People would lose whatever is left of their idiot minds.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 08, 2022 02:00 PM (/EuRN)

329 Despite never finding any issues Trump has been audited every year for decades and he has a team of accountants working on his finances. I bet Trump is very happy with having to pay huge amounts of money to comply with audits year after year that only prove he is honest.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2022 01:58 PM (ZLI7S)
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PDT, I'm sure, doesn't like the audits. But, he can afford it. The average American, however, probably will not be able to afford the process.

Which I would imagine is the desired outcome.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 08, 2022 02:00 PM (5pTK/)

330 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 08, 2022 01:55 PM (Ivdso)

Yeah, I once spent a night in Jail for trying to stay OUT of a fight. Was moving away and the Cop said I looked guilty... no... pure moment of 'what the f'...

No charges next day... but still spent the night in jail. My Ship was 'not amused' to put it mildly.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 08, 2022 02:00 PM (oHd/0)

331
Do they want that?
Posted by: BurtTC at August 08, 2022 01:57 PM (YV6PJ)

No. They hate the voter. They want to be the Party of kickbacks cruises and clandestine airport bathroom man-on-man assignations.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 08, 2022 02:00 PM (IXpV7)

332 I got a check from the IRS for interest on my refund because I got it so late. I was stunned.

Posted by: Javems at August 08, 2022 01:55 PM (AmoqO)

I'd bet it was less than the interest they'd charge if you were late.

Posted by: BignJames at August 08, 2022 02:01 PM (AwYPR)

333 "Why does a family of 4.. with Mom workin and 3 kids in school, which takes up HUGE amounts of public resources... And I say this as someone who WAS a full time single parent... just never seemed Fair to me." Posted by: Romeo13

"Helping" families that raise kids makes sense to me. But I imagine a Christian family putting a lot of effort into raising God loving Americans. ...

Posted by: illiniwek at August 08, 2022 02:01 PM (Cus5s)

334 Big Bare Butts for Biden, 2024!

Posted by: callipygian ecdysiast at August 08, 2022 02:01 PM (ynmtz)

335 I was lucky enough to be audited out of the blue back in 2013. Nothing had changed business-wise in a decade. Same old same old. Same CPA. The only thing that had changed was a bunch of checks to Tea Party groups and conservative causes. A lot. Including Mitt, which really, really pisses me off.

They went as far back as they could legally, so we had to account for several years worth of receipts/expenses. After months of torture and a small fortune, they decided whoops! Whoopsie! and cut us a check for $3600. Gee, thanks. Ass rape me for 3 months and then hand me some lube as you walk out the door.

DC needs to burn.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at August 08, 2022 02:01 PM (zB/T/)

336 Plus, I have zero doubt they cheated in GA in the special election just as they did in the general.

I agree that the establishment is less concerned about winning in the Senate although I don't think there that many if any Republican Senators who are happy about this bill. That doesn't mean they are on our side but this POS bill is going to hurt the country bad.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2022 01:52 PM (ZLI7S)

Don't forget Michigan.
They only got away with a steal like that because it was allowed to happen, I'm convinced the Unipary signed off, and I really don't know if I can be convinced otherwise.

Posted by: Inogame, non alius regit at August 08, 2022 02:02 PM (53oGX)

337 PDT, I'm sure, doesn't like the audits. But, he can afford it. The average American, however, probably will not be able to afford the process.

Which I would imagine is the desired outcome.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 08, 2022 02:00 PM (5pTK/)

Trump has not only been audited every year since he became Political, he has had New York AG deep diving into all his records for YEARS now.

Pure Political Prosecution as the AG RAN on the platform of going after Trump... yet COURTs seem to be AOK Joe with it.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 08, 2022 02:03 PM (oHd/0)

338 All of my GOP friends who are worried about 87,000 IRS enforcement agents coming after the little guy... How about just don't cheat on tax returns? A fully truthful and accurate tax return is bulletproof in an audit

Newt G had his taxes reviewed by a former head of the IRS. He was audited and they claimed his taxes were filed incorrectly and wanted to throw the book at him.

It took him...10 years IIRC to clear his name.

I don't have access to a former head of the IRS to review my taxes, nor do I have the money or time to fight the IRS for 10 years.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 08, 2022 02:03 PM (ESjRY)

339 I in good conscience cannot contribute to the spread of the horrible idiology of capitalism especially to the purist communists that now inhabit Washington DC.

Posted by: Commentor What Got a Shirt at August 08, 2022 02:03 PM (5s/s5)

340 Interesting how the government is spending so much money trying to find tax cheats.

Instead, why not simplify the tax code, thus reducing the motivation to cheat?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 08, 2022 02:03 PM (YIVH2)

341 This is too funny. All the efforts the leftards have put to green crap and then this happens:

Global coal demand is set to return to its all-time high in 2022
28 July 2022

https://tinyurl.com/42bmeurk

And oil and gas companies are raking in record profits.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 08, 2022 02:03 PM (UuD2k)

342 Just learned also that this latest destructive debacle of a bill also has Trump's SALT deductions expiring in 2025 -- so it will be back to R no- or low-state income tax denizens subsidizing wealthy D-state shithole occupiers.
Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, it gets worse here every day at August 08, 2022 01:52 PM (K+jdV)
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Did not know.

Damn, the fascist left got a clean sweep in this bill. Well done Mitch, making this deal. Oops!! I meant "out-maneuvered" on the reconciliation bill. Because, that's your story, right Mitch? Incompetence, not perfidy?

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 08, 2022 02:03 PM (Gz4YS)

343
Who fucking cares if they cheat? Run it honestly, and you still have the same corrupt shithole. Nothing ever gets better with a Republican Party that still shambles around pretending to be an opposition Party.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 08, 2022 02:04 PM (IXpV7)

344 If you want to blame someone for the loss of the Senate in 2020, I place more blame on Kemp and Ducey for appointing horrible candidates. Loeffler and McSally were both squishy establishment-approved candidates.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at August 08, 2022 02:04 PM (wmDcS)

345 Joe Biden's wet, productive cough sure makes it sound like he's over Covid.

https://bit.ly/3SDLRs2
Posted by: bonhomme
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The strain of that cough definitely caused wet production somewhere.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at August 08, 2022 02:04 PM (es0Dj)

346
Angus King is an independent as well.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

I thought that was a new sandwich at Burger King?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 08, 2022 02:04 PM (63Dwl)

347 Wha chu talkin bout Willis?

Posted by: Al Sharpton Commentor What Got a Shirt at August 08, 2022 02:04 PM (5s/s5)

348 If you want a vision of the future, imagine 87,000 Lois Lerners stamping on a human face - forever.

FJB

Posted by: jbspry at August 08, 2022 02:04 PM (dnCIR)

349 How about restoring the sense of civic pride American citizens used to enjoy?

Posted by: gourmand du jour, with capers at August 08, 2022 02:04 PM (jTmQV)

350 I hope so, whig.
Really that's why I think they will only be able to tank the Senate but I think they will.
The house races will be too difficult to control at this point so they will concentrate on the Senate as more manageable.
Yes, extremely cynical, I'm guilty.
I want to be wrong here, I just don't think I am. The senate cannot be allowed to be controlled by the People, so it won't.

Posted by: Inogame
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The GOPe used its control of pushing lame candidates to sink the party in 2020--Ducey appointed one time statewide loser McSally to replace Jon Kyl as placeholder. She had already lost her seat to Sinema in 2018. In GA, Kemp appointed corporate slime Kelly Loeffler to replace an ailing Johnny Isaakson. Loeffler promptly engaged in insider trading, did little to no campaigning, and apparently was an airheaded idiot. Perdue on the other hand, most probably won against Ossof in 2020 general but refused to challenge the vote nor ask for a recount. His surrender tactics were a primary reason that he got shelled in the 2022 GOP gubernatorial primary. He also exemplified the old GOPe corporate types and was a lackluster campaigner.

Posted by: whig at August 08, 2022 02:04 PM (CXr4y)

351 I got a check from the IRS for interest on my refund because I got it so late. I was stunned.

Posted by: Javems

I'd bet it was less than the interest they'd charge if you were late.
Posted by: BignJames

Happened to me, too. And I had to include that interest as income on the next year's taxes. How's that for a self-licking ice cream cone?!

Posted by: She Hobbit at August 08, 2022 02:04 PM (ftFVW)

352 At this point, I think we kinda owe George III and Lord North an apology.

The Rev War was fought over a 1% tax and "commonsense gun control"

Posted by: 18-1 at August 08, 2022 02:04 PM (ESjRY)

353 I think a paid tax professional is one of the shrewdest investments an individual taxpayer can make. I've read that the IRS has always regarded middle class taxpayers who prepare their own returns with a certain amount of initial suspicion, because most use paid preparers.

Posted by: mnw at August 08, 2022 02:00 PM (NLIak)

I use an online tax software program. How badly am I fucked?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 08, 2022 02:04 PM (QRdjz)

354 And these lazy motherfuckers are also slow-walking refunds. Filed in early April; 4 months later, crickets.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at August 08, 2022 02:04 PM (ppBhU)

355 If you want to blame someone for the loss of the Senate in 2020, I place more blame on Kemp and Ducey for appointing horrible candidates. Loeffler and McSally were both squishy establishment-approved candidates.

McSally was an especially odd choice. She'd just lost an election. Why the f*ck would you put up a proven loser who promises to do the exact same sh*t that made her lose last time?!?

Posted by: 18-1 at August 08, 2022 02:06 PM (ESjRY)

356 >>> 327 283 HHB

We'll see, but I tend to disagree. I doubt the IRS wants to tussle with another professional accountant, absent some obvious, glaring error.

A great many IRS accountants eventually go into private practice. There is a certain amount of professional deference, I suspect.

Plus, if you use the same accountant year after year, the IRS can see at a glance that there's never been a problem previously.

I think a paid tax professional is one of the shrewdest investments an individual taxpayer can make. I've read that the IRS has always regarded middle class taxpayers who prepare their own returns with a certain amount of initial suspicion, because most use paid preparers.
Posted by: mnw at August 08, 2022 02:00 PM (NLIak)

After everything we've seen for the past two plus years, you believe this newly expanded feralgov agency is going to give a flying fck about whether or not someone hired a professional to do what should be a simple job vs say, that person's social credit score (whether official or not)? I think you are far more optimistic than I am.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 08, 2022 02:06 PM (llON8)

357 Pure Political Prosecution as the AG RAN on the platform of going after Trump... yet COURTs seem to be AOK Joe with it.
Posted by: Romeo13 at August 08, 2022 02:03 PM (oHd/0)
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yeah, looking through records trying to find a crime is supposed to be illegal. It's supposed to be evidence, warrant then check records.

But, we left that world about 20 years ago or so.

Thank, GW, for that wonderful Patriot Act!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 08, 2022 02:06 PM (5pTK/)

358 322 Obama/Biden weaponized the FBI and then they weaponized the IRS against tea party conservatives. Biden is just finishing the business that Obama started.

[bangs head against wall]

Posted by: BarryIsStillPrez! at August 08, 2022 02:07 PM (w0NJk)

359 I got a check from the IRS for interest on my refund because I got it so late. I was stunned.

Posted by: Javems

Everyone that filed late because of covid got one. When they extended the filing deadline because of covid, they discovered they were on the hook for late refund payments.

Best and brightest.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 08, 2022 02:07 PM (UuD2k)

360 Kindltot, that is true for legit employers, but when the employer is an illegal too, that changes the picture. I myself quit a job when the owner handed me a paper bag filled with cash, "so we don't have to pay taxes."

Posted by: Ultra pj at August 08, 2022 02:07 PM (G1dq6)

361 How about restoring the sense of civic pride American citizens used to enjoy?
Posted by: gourmand du jour, with capers at August 08, 2022 02:04 PM (jTmQV)
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That would require a modicum of integrity to be exhibited by the civic institutions.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 02:07 PM (WWh8n)

362 Where does the IRS plan to find 87,000 new people and where will they be working? Have you ever tried to hire someone in the federal govt? WTF. LOL.

Posted by: Actually Inside the Beltway at August 08, 2022 02:07 PM (roPuI)

363 I used to fill out my own taxes in the 80s and early 90s but the form has gotten so much more complicated lately. I used an online program from HR Block that seemed to work well, no problems from the IRS. State of Oregon didn't know who the hell I was since I haven't filed for like 30 years.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 08, 2022 02:07 PM (Ivdso)

364 For that matter, since when the fck does anyone have any business assuming I must be doing something skectchy just because I didn't pay someone to do something that has been very simple for all but one or two years?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 08, 2022 02:07 PM (llON8)

365 Obama/Biden weaponized the FBI

One of the first things Bill Clinton did when elected president was to get the FBI files on all his political opponents.

How do you think he *knew* Newt G and Bob Livingstone were having affairs?

Posted by: 18-1 at August 08, 2022 02:08 PM (ESjRY)

366 I've been through two audits in my life and I know one thing...

You can't win.

It doesn't matter if you've done everything you think you should have, the IRS thinks you're guilty and it's up to you to prove your innocence. Do you have every receipt you've gotten over the past 7 years? How many miles have you driven for personal reasons in a car you're writing off for business? What about these lunches and dinners?

I'll never go through another. Time to get liquid and prepare for an exit.

Posted by: jwest at August 08, 2022 02:08 PM (/BlEx)

367 Oh, and Barry O'Bama is not still president. But the guys who were controlling him are.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 08, 2022 02:08 PM (Ivdso)

368 @306 I got a check from the IRS for interest on my refund because I got it so late. I was stunned.

----

I got an unexpected refund check from California last year.

Two months later, I got a letter saying, "Oops! That check was a mistake! Pay us back or we start charging interest!"

Posted by: junior at August 08, 2022 02:08 PM (6STwu)

369 I think a paid tax professional is one of the shrewdest investments an individual taxpayer can make. I've read that the IRS has always regarded middle class taxpayers who prepare their own returns with a certain amount of initial suspicion, because most use paid preparers.

Posted by: mnw
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Depends on sources of income and whether you are taking deductions beyond the standardized ones.

Investor types, aside from retirement accounts, would be well advised for professional help just as small biz types would.

Posted by: whig at August 08, 2022 02:08 PM (CXr4y)

370
I only use the blistering profanity I do because they haven't yet invented vulgar enough words to describe the GOP.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 08, 2022 02:08 PM (IXpV7)

371 We get almost all our income from the government (VA disability, caregiver stipend, currently applying for SSDI, etc) and I'm still nervous about making mistakes on our tax return. I can only imagine what's like to run your own business and try to fill it out, even with a CPA.

Posted by: pookysgirl, keeping things running at August 08, 2022 02:08 PM (XKZwp)

372 For that matter, since when the fck does anyone have any business assuming I must be doing something skectchy just because I didn't pay someone to do something that has been very simple for all but one or two years?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 08, 2022 02:07 PM (llON

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It's the government. You're guilty simply because you're a citizen.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 02:08 PM (WWh8n)

373 Honestly people need to not talk about '87,000 new agents'. It's a number without context for just how horrific this is.

What conservatives need to be saying is that THEY ARE LITERALLY DOUBLING THE SIZE OF THE IRS.

In 2021 the IRS only had about 82,000 employees TOTAL.

Which means that all of those new agents are going to have zero experience working for the IRS previously.

Gee, I wonder what criteria the Deep State is going to use to hire them. And once their precious diversity hire ideological soldiers are hired, it will be impossible to fire them.

This is one of the most insane and unprecedented power grabs in the US in history.

Posted by: DudeAbiding at August 08, 2022 02:08 PM (setIA)

374 I'm just wondering where they are going to find 87,000 gays or transsexuals to hire.

That's got to be a lot, even for DC.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 08, 2022 02:09 PM (UuD2k)

375 In my dream I see a red wave in '22 and building on that in '24 and early '25 a flat tax is voted in with the post card size tax form Ted Cruz was promoting.

then I wake up with my bully spraying snot on me wanting to go pee.

Posted by: Fool Otto at August 08, 2022 02:09 PM (DB16e)

376 So, what's to stop Republicans defunding all of the increase in the IRS in the 2023 budget (if they win in Nov) and daring Biden to shutdown the government over not getting his IRS squad paid for?

That should now be the R plan...

Posted by: Nova local at August 08, 2022 02:09 PM (exHjb)

377 I use an online tax software program. How badly am I fucked?
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 08, 2022 02:04 PM (QRdjz)

That is actually what the IRS wants. They spend a huge amount of resources on mail in Returns. Online is easier to check... and many services have audit protection you can pay for...

So I'd wager you would be pretty safe as long as its not a fly by night 'free' online Tax Return site.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 08, 2022 02:09 PM (oHd/0)

378 McSally was an especially odd choice. She'd just lost an election. Why the f*ck would you put up a proven loser who promises to do the exact same sh*t that made her lose last time?!?
Posted by: 18-1 at August 08, 2022 02:06 PM (ESjRY)
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With any luck, Blake Masters will hang Mark Kelly's vote for this bill around Kelly's neck.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 08, 2022 02:09 PM (5pTK/)

379 I'm just wondering where they are going to find 87,000 gays or transsexuals to hire.

Working on that now

Posted by: America's Gay Adopting Familes - making homosexuals and trannies one at a time at August 08, 2022 02:09 PM (ESjRY)

380 367 Oh, and Barry O'Bama is not still president. But the guys who were controlling him are.

he's as President as he was his first two terms.

the deepState/fed bureaucracy LOVES his ass

they worship him

he is their leader. which is not to say he has to actually DO anything - they all know what to do

but there are certain things the young King prefers, which they know, and they happily deliver on

Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 08, 2022 02:09 PM (w0NJk)

381 I'm creating jobs, wingnuts! You're always complaining about jobs, so I figure this'll make you happy.

Posted by: Joey B. at August 08, 2022 02:10 PM (iW8nX)

382 I imagine The Big Guy has made millions that were somehow invisible to the IRS.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at August 08, 2022 02:10 PM (eGTCV)

383 I use an online tax software program. How badly am I fucked?
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 08, 2022 02:04 PM (QRdjz)

Keep copies and call the state revenue to make sure your state return got sent in every year.

The IRS can take up to two years to audit your return, and the states, generally, can take two years after the IRS does the audit to follow up.
If you get an audit from the IRS, and a change is made, send an amended return to the state ASAP to make sure they don't audit you in two years time.

My problem with Turbotax is that they don't do updates often and let the state revenue "fix" your return for you if there was a last minute change to the state tax code

Posted by: Kindltot at August 08, 2022 02:10 PM (xhaym)

384 So, what's to stop Republicans defunding all of the increase in the IRS in the 2023 budget (if they win in Nov) and daring Biden to shutdown the government over not getting his IRS squad paid for?

That should now be the R plan...
Posted by: Nova local at August 08, 2022 02:09 PM (exHjb)
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What will stop them? Status quo politics. The Congress is useless as tits on a boar hog. They've abdicated their responsibility and their power. The men who run it have no desire to reimpose the institution's authority.

Nothing, technically, could stop them from refusing to fund the IRS or the DoJ or the EPA or the federal Dept. of Ed., etc. But they don't *want* to do that.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 02:11 PM (WWh8n)

385 The hardest hit will be the restaurant owners and waitresses. They will make an example out of a few hundred waitresses to scare the rest into total compliance.

Posted by: jwest at August 08, 2022 02:11 PM (/BlEx)

386 376 So, what's to stop Republicans defunding all of the increase in the IRS in the 2023 budget (if they win in Nov) and daring Biden to shutdown the government over not getting his IRS squad paid for?

That should now be the R plan...

Posted by: Nova local at August 08, 2022 02:09 PM (exHjb)

LOL at this every happening.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 08, 2022 02:11 PM (QRdjz)

387 This has probably been mentioned but tax preparation companies are probably jizzing themselves because everyone using their applications will pay for the audit protection service

Posted by: Beartooth at August 08, 2022 02:11 PM (+ksY7)

388 >>> 372 For that matter, since when the fck does anyone have any business assuming I must be doing something skectchy just because I didn't pay someone to do something that has been very simple for all but one or two years?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 08, 2022 02:07 PM (llON
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It's the government. You're guilty simply because you're a citizen.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 02:08 PM (WWh8n)

Heh. That's the problem, isn't it...

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 08, 2022 02:11 PM (llON8)

389 and Eat Them Out

Rim jobs for all!

Posted by: Joey Pudding at August 08, 2022 02:11 PM (kPy0C)

390 McSally was an especially odd choice. She'd just lost an election. Why the f*ck would you put up a proven loser who promises to do the exact same sh*t that made her lose last time?!?

Posted by: 18-1
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McVain machine pick plus some suspicion that Ducey wanted to run for the seat himself for the full term so he purposefully put up a weak candidate to be beaten in 2020 so that he could run when his term ended as governor in 2022. 2020 Election fiasco made that impossible and may have ended Ducey's career as a politician.

AZ GOP has a big schism dating way back between the corporate types and the leave me alone types. Look up Evan Meacham for example.

Posted by: whig at August 08, 2022 02:12 PM (CXr4y)

391 My wife and I do not itemize. We could easily use tax software, but, don't.

We use a CPA to do our taxes, specifically because we want to avoid trouble with the IRS.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 08, 2022 02:12 PM (5pTK/)

392 I imagine The Big Guy has made millions that were somehow invisible to the IRS.
Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at August 08, 2022 02:10 PM (eGTCV)
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Haha! Like it matters.

Posted by: Hunter Biden, entrepreneur and tax expert at August 08, 2022 02:12 PM (Gz4YS)

393 ESPONJA!!!
Posted by: AltonJackson

Gesundheidt !

Posted by: JT at August 08, 2022 02:12 PM (T4tVD)

394 384 So, what's to stop Republicans defunding all of the increase in the IRS in the 2023 budget (if they win in Nov) and daring Biden to shutdown the government over not getting his IRS squad paid for?

That should now be the R plan...
Posted by: Nova local at August 08, 2022 02:09 PM (exHjb)
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What will stop them? Status quo politics. The Congress is useless as tits on a boar hog. They've abdicated their responsibility and their power. The men who run it have no desire to reimpose the institution's authority.

Nothing, technically, could stop them from refusing to fund the IRS or the DoJ or the EPA or the federal Dept. of Ed., etc. But they don't *want* to do that.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 02:11 PM (WWh8n)

But this would be a very targeted plan. R's literally just fund the IRS for their current 82000 employes, fund literally everything else at CR levels, and dare Biden to not open the government over a budget.

Even RINOS could line up over protecting everything else and making the world's easiest vote...

Posted by: Nova local at August 08, 2022 02:12 PM (exHjb)

395 Posted by: BarryIsStillPrez! at August 08, 2022 02:07 PM (w0NJk)

Barry wasn't president of shit. He was figurehead for the same people talking into Brandon's earpiece. The only difference between the two is that Brandon naps while Obama preferred television and dicksucking

Posted by: Bandana Dee at August 08, 2022 02:13 PM (oy4r9)

396 Tell me again how the Germans let Hitler get away with it?

Posted by: Braenyard at August 08, 2022 02:13 PM (sP+u8)

397 This has probably been mentioned but tax preparation companies are probably jizzing themselves because everyone using their applications will pay for the audit protection service
Posted by: Beartooth

They almost certainly lobbied for it. Intuit is well-known for lobbying against simplification of the tax code.

Posted by: quantum mechanic at August 08, 2022 02:13 PM (vcv8B)

398 375 In my dream I see a red wave in '22 and building on that in '24 and early '25 a flat tax is voted in with the post card size tax form Ted Cruz was promoting.

then I wake up with my bully spraying snot on me wanting to go pee.
Posted by: Fool Otto at August 08, 2022 02:09 PM (DB16e)

National Sales Tax, on everything... no exceptions. Rich will pay more because they spend more. Get rid of all other Fed Taxes.

Domestic production would skyrocket because no tax burden on EXPORTED products, while Imported products would still be paying Taxes of the Country of origin.

Also, it would get rid of a problem I have with the current tax system, where 50% of 'taxpayers' pay no net tax.... because if Taxation WITHOUT representation is bad... so is Representation WITHOUT Taxation IMO.

Everyone should be paying something.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 08, 2022 02:13 PM (oHd/0)

399 Keep copies and call the state revenue to make sure your state return got sent in every year.

The IRS can take up to two years to audit your return, and the states, generally, can take two years after the IRS does the audit to follow up.
If you get an audit from the IRS, and a change is made, send an amended return to the state ASAP to make sure they don't audit you in two years time.

My problem with Turbotax is that they don't do updates often and let the state revenue "fix" your return for you if there was a last minute change to the state tax code

Posted by: Kindltot at August 08, 2022 02:10 PM (xhaym)

The one I use they send me emails when the returns are accepted. The federal accepts it immediately except on year when I transposed a digit on my social security number and when I fixed it the accepted it immediately and they usually take the money fast too. The state email shows up a week or so later. As far as I know they've always gotten them (I'm self-employed so lol at getting any money back ever).

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 08, 2022 02:13 PM (QRdjz)

400 Just a thought, where are they going to find 87,000 new auditors?

Posted by: A. Shickelgruber at August 08, 2022 02:13 PM (fs1hN)

401 PS - And what's to stop the house from leaning on ever D vote right now over this issue...and screaming about the goon squad coming for your earned income credit...

Nancy doesn't have that many votes to lose...

Posted by: Nova local at August 08, 2022 02:13 PM (exHjb)

402 85 They want you to eat bugs. They want you to give up your car. They want you to live in a mile-long planned community in the desert. They want you to own nothing -- and like it. They want you to wear a mask. They want you to submit to the IRS Stasi.
In this, and a multitude of other demands, I can only register the same response:
YOU FIRST, FUCKERS.
Posted by: red speck at August 08, 2022 01:25 PM (gS3OW)

Yes. Same people who say the world's over- populated. "You first. Take care of it. "

Posted by: Flyover at August 08, 2022 02:13 PM (Rbu5d)

403 Impossible-to-follow laws allow the government to select who to punish.

Posted by: aelfheld at August 08, 2022 02:14 PM (Zy9Yy)

404 371 We get almost all our income from the government (VA disability, caregiver stipend, currently applying for SSDI, etc) and I'm still nervous about making mistakes on our tax return. I can only imagine what's like to run your own business and try to fill it out, even with a CPA.

Posted by: pookysgirl
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You should be ok but you are right about small businesses which is what this expansion is aimed at.

Posted by: whig at August 08, 2022 02:14 PM (CXr4y)

405 AZ GOP has a big schism dating way back between the corporate types and the leave me alone types. Look up Evan Meacham for example.
Posted by: whig at August 08, 2022 02:12 PM (CXr4y)
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I live in the middle of Desert Rat territory. Yeah, there's a huge contingent of "leave me alone" in our area.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 08, 2022 02:14 PM (5pTK/)

406 Off, sock.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 08, 2022 02:14 PM (fs1hN)

407 327 what the Hell? Don’t try to normalize the IRS here, it is simply not the right venue. And as for calling out people who do their own taxes, I say they are the best. Anyone who pays up has already given in. If you can’t do your own taxes, that proves we are supplementing a racket.

Posted by: Quint at August 08, 2022 02:14 PM (btbnt)

408 Haha! Like it matters.

Posted by: Hunter Biden, entrepreneur and tax expert at August 08, 2022 02:12 PM (Gz4YS)

What!? You didn't include it on your 1040? Tsk. Tsk.

Posted by: BignJames at August 08, 2022 02:14 PM (AwYPR)

409 I don't know why outrage at government corruption has to be based on which party you support. Everyone, left, right and centre, should be marching on DC with pitchforks.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at August 08, 2022 02:15 PM (eGTCV)

410 They almost certainly lobbied for it. Intuit is well-known for lobbying against simplification of the tax code.
Posted by: quantum mechanic at August 08, 2022 02:13 PM (vcv8B)

Intuit is also a HUGE supporter of Democrats. What a co ink ki dink that this would pass under a Dem controlled Congress.... /spit

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 08, 2022 02:15 PM (oHd/0)

411 If you could fill out your tax return in a postcard, a multi billion dollar industry would go under overnight, of course they lobby to stop simplification.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 08, 2022 02:15 PM (Ivdso)

412
Ask 10 tax specialists to interpret a part of the code and you'll get 20 different answers.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 08, 2022 02:16 PM (1Nxff)

413 everyone using their applications will pay for the audit protection service

Posted by: Beartooth

I'm not willing to pay someone money in order to pay taxes.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 08, 2022 02:16 PM (lTGtQ)

414 394 384 So, what's to stop Republicans defunding all of the increase in the IRS in the 2023 budget
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Lack of character
Lack of courage
Pictures
They are on the take

Posted by: Braenyard at August 08, 2022 02:16 PM (sP+u8)

415 Tax attorneys and estate planners everywhere celebrate. Good times ahead.

Posted by: gourmand du jour, with capers at August 08, 2022 02:16 PM (jTmQV)

416 Lincicome is right, though. This is about weaponizing more agents to go after just folks. Its a powerful device to intimidate and control the public: strengthen and broaden the IRS.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 08, 2022 02:17 PM (Ivdso)

417
I don't know why outrage at government corruption has to be based on which party you support. Everyone, left, right and centre, should be marching on DC with pitchforks.
Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at August 08, 2022 02:15 PM (eGTCV)

You've landed on the key to the shell game. They are all corrupt. They are all in it together, thick as thieves. And the entire thing only works by convincing people that it's all the """other""" Party to blame for this damn war and this damn corruption.

Works every time.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 08, 2022 02:17 PM (IXpV7)

418 Remind me again how much ammo the IRS has stockpiled?
Coz I suspect they're pivoting from tax collection to pillaging.

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at August 08, 2022 02:17 PM (gbzeC)

419 409 I don't know why outrage at government corruption has to be based on which party you support. Everyone, left, right and centre, should be marching on DC with pitchforks.
Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at August 08, 2022 02:15 PM (eGTCV)

Some are just plain blind. My older Brother lives with 10 miles of the Border near San Diego... yet says there is no border problem unless you listen to Fox news... because HE does not see huge hordes of illegals when he is out riding his horse. Did not even know that there has been a border Fence South of San Diego for DECADES.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 08, 2022 02:17 PM (oHd/0)

420 So, what's to stop Republicans defunding all of the increase in the IRS in the 2023 budget (if they win in Nov) and daring Biden to shutdown the government over not getting his IRS squad paid for?

That should now be the R plan...

Posted by: Nova local at August 08, 2022 02:09 PM (exHjb)

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Because R's threatening a government shutdown is always just MOAR Failure Theater going back to Mr. Newt?

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, it gets worse here every day at August 08, 2022 02:17 PM (FQySU)

421 Oh noes~! Release the editorz!

Politics . Trending
#DemocratsAreDestroyingAmerica
6,205 Tweets

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 08, 2022 02:17 PM (IEa8U)

422 @adammarkowitzEA
"In this budget, the IRS should have a built-in pay-for program for tax pros who represent audits for tax returns under X dollars in AGI (may as well be the $400k threshold). If the IRS audits a tax return under that mark, the government pays X to the tax pro if there's no change."

Oh. it's just classic rent-seeking. that's all. he just wants a new revenue stream for himself with an assist from the IRS

Posted by: DCPensFan at August 08, 2022 02:18 PM (LLzuj)

423 I live in the middle of Desert Rat territory. Yeah, there's a huge contingent of "leave me alone" in our area.

Posted by: blake
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Good place to live if things go pear shaped.

Posted by: whig at August 08, 2022 02:18 PM (CXr4y)

424 Dack, do yourself a favor and call the state anyways. If you find out there was an error, before the state send out that first letter, it is easier to claim a penalty waiver for cause
Oregon now has an online tax system, and it used to be well monitored by Dept of Revenue. Might still be.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 08, 2022 02:18 PM (xhaym)

425 Tax attorneys and estate planners everywhere celebrate. Good times ahead.
Posted by: gourmand du jour, with capers at August 08, 2022 02:16 PM (jTmQV)
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Yeah, only the really rich will worry about estate planning. It's the couples with two jobs who were prudent and have a sizable estate to leave behind who will get screwed. These people are set up to live out their years comfortably, while leaving a nice chunk to the kids and well, that'll go away pretty much overnight.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 08, 2022 02:18 PM (5pTK/)

426 420 So, what's to stop Republicans defunding all of the increase in the IRS in the 2023 budget (if they win in Nov) and daring Biden to shutdown the government over not getting his IRS squad paid for?

That should now be the R plan...

Posted by: Nova local at August 08, 2022 02:09 PM (exHjb)

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Because R's threatening a government shutdown is always just MOAR Failure Theater going back to Mr. Newt?
Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, it gets worse here every day at August 08, 2022 02:17 PM (FQySU)

But the sob stories are over, thanks to Ds. Feds get paid during shutdowns, so no more G-5s or E-1s going hungry images. Now, it's just fed contractors not getting paid, and Ds don't care about them...

Posted by: Nova local at August 08, 2022 02:19 PM (exHjb)

427 Hauling the corrupt scum to the gallows should be a bipartisan party game.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at August 08, 2022 02:19 PM (eGTCV)

428 Because R's threatening a government shutdown is always just MOAR Failure Theater going back to Mr. Newt?

They almost beat Clinton but backed down. Bill was getting ready to give in and the GOP caved first.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 08, 2022 02:19 PM (Ivdso)

429 420 Because R's threatening a government shutdown is always just MOAR Failure Theater going back to Mr. Newt?
Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, it gets worse here every day at August 08, 2022 02:17 PM (FQySU)

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That's why you do budget and appropriations bills by department.

It's not Congress threatening to shut down DOD and the national parks over issues with funding DOJ, EPA, or anything else. Those hypothetical bills were passed and just need Biden's hypothetical signature.

Of course, the media would side with Biden, saying, "He can't sign the DOD bill until he knows that the Department of Education is funded 243% of 2022's levels."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 02:19 PM (LvTSG)

430 So public tax attorneys anyone?

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at August 08, 2022 02:20 PM (gbzeC)

431 Breaking; the gop is so livid over this when they wrote their angry letter it will contain not one, not two, but three uses Of the phrase “good day, sir”.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 08, 2022 02:20 PM (3vQN0)

432 I was audited nine times in 14 years out of Lerner's pet IRS office in Cincy. I "won" every single audit and had my original return eventually accepted.

I subsequently changed my voter registration to "Democrat" and ceased writing letters to the editor at our local newspaper - which requires you sign your real name.

Since then, I have been audited ZERO times.

The Democrats want to re-establish the IRS harassment of Republicans, because it works!

IRS delenda est!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 08, 2022 02:20 PM (tkyK5)

433 So I bought the Cask Strength Redbreast recently
People go on and on about the stuff. No offense to anyone, but I am about done with hearing about great “Irish” whiskies. You can get Ardbeg Uighedail and it destroys Redbreast Cask Strength. I admit this is subjective, but I am right.

Posted by: Quint at August 08, 2022 02:20 PM (btbnt)

434 "he's as President as he was his first two terms."

imo he is just a figurehead, a puppet. They Love that he did all the radical stuff they wanted. And now Slo-Joe is even more compliant, doing even more radical things.

I just don't see Obama as being the leader, he was ushered through college and propped up as a candidate -- by someone, or some higher power (not God).

Posted by: illiniwek at August 08, 2022 02:20 PM (Cus5s)

435 Hey! We're going to make millions bbbbwwwaaahahahaha!

- Turbo Tax

Posted by: Archer at August 08, 2022 02:20 PM (gmo/4)

436 But this would be a very targeted plan. R's literally just fund the IRS for their current 82000 employes, fund literally everything else at CR levels, and dare Biden to not open the government over a budget.

Even RINOS could line up over protecting everything else and making the world's easiest vote...
Posted by: Nova local at August 08, 2022 02:12 PM (exHjb)
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Same answer. They won't do it because they don't want to. They'll bitch and moan for election-year soundbites, but they like this as much as their "friends across the aisle" do.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 02:21 PM (WWh8n)

437 The more illegals, the more $ they make "off the books", and the larger % of the population that doesn't even file at all.

Biden shit a lemon, so he's trying to make shitty lemonade!

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at August 08, 2022 02:21 PM (peWy1)

438
I'd like all 87,000 new agents to devote their energies to auditing the Clintons, Bidens and Obamas.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 08, 2022 02:21 PM (1Nxff)

439 Tax attorneys and estate planners, all of them that I personally know are democrats and donors.
This is a self licking ice cream cone.

Posted by: gourmand du jour, with capers at August 08, 2022 02:21 PM (jTmQV)

440 At this point, I think we kinda owe George III and Lord North an apology.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 08, 2022 01:58 PM (atmen)

Hell No!
We do owe our founding fathers an apology, however.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 08, 2022 02:21 PM (MFphb)

441 It should have been obvious our government had been weaponized against the average American when Obama, during the budget battles, showed his petty tyrant side by closing down national parks.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 08, 2022 02:21 PM (5pTK/)

442
Hauling the corrupt scum to the gallows should be a bipartisan party game.
Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at August 08, 2022 02:19 PM (eGTCV)

Again - correct.

I advocate automatic death sentences for public corruption cases whenever this regime crumbles or gets overthrown. No questions asked. No parole. A gallows pole. Or a labor camp nobody ever returns from.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 08, 2022 02:21 PM (IXpV7)

443 U.S. Office of Special Council, Press Release, 7/18/22:

"OSC Whistleblower Referral Reveals $472 Million in Uncollected Debts Owed to 28 Federal Agencies"

In part, "According to a newly released audit by the U.S. Treasury Department's Office of Inspector General (OIG), initiated in response to a whistleblower referral by the U.S. Office of Special Counsel (OSC), a software flaw at Treasury resulted in $472 million in uncollected debts owed to over 28 federal agencies." (At Treasury = IRS)

Guess what government contractors will be doing the IRS auditing as per the Inflation Reduction Act? Seriously. It's the way most federal agencies operate - as pass through for work and $.

Posted by: Lola at August 08, 2022 02:21 PM (NIYa7)

444 They almost beat Clinton but backed down. Bill was getting ready to give in and the GOP caved first.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 08, 2022 02:19 PM (Ivdso)
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If there is ever another "government shutdown" battle, the Republicans need to treat it as total war. No quarter. Hold out until people are screaming so much that the opposition caves. That little battle is *always* theater. It shouldn't be.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 02:22 PM (WWh8n)

445 Tax attorneys and estate planners, all of them that I personally know are democrats and donors.
This is a self licking ice cream cone.
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Figures.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 08, 2022 02:22 PM (rY/MT)

446
Hell No!
We do owe our founding fathers an apology, however.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 08, 2022 02:21 PM (MFphb)

Yeah... modern Britain is just as bad as the US. They're no better off than we are.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 08, 2022 02:22 PM (IXpV7)

447 Graft is not something the IRS asks about.

"who lined you up with the make work job Hunter?'

Never asks the IRS

Posted by: torabora at August 08, 2022 02:23 PM (fbHXO)

448 . Anyone who pays up has already given in. If you can’t do your own taxes, that proves we are supplementing a racket.
Posted by: Quint at August 08, 2022 02:14 PM (btbnt)
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Really? So all the people who use professional tax preparers, CPAs, are suckers? Really?

Posted by: Braenyard at August 08, 2022 02:23 PM (sP+u8)

449 I get paid more than $85 every hour for working on the web. I found out about this activity 3 months prior and subsequent to joining this I have earned effectively $15k from this without having internet working abilities

Copy underneath the site to check it.. http://www.salarycash1.com

Posted by: Sarah at August 08, 2022 02:23 PM (PZef2)

450 90+% of DC's power is derived from the federal income tax code. Don't expect any changes even if we win big in Nov.

Don't put any faith in the federal government anymore.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at August 08, 2022 02:23 PM (Qhnrt)

451 What's it going to take to get you pussy's to start shooting?

Posted by: Zombie George Washington at August 08, 2022 02:23 PM (gmo/4)

452
Sarah!

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 08, 2022 02:23 PM (IXpV7)

453 I once talked to an IRS person. He sniffed at me, saying that asking he most certainly was the very last person to ask questions of since neither he nor any of his colleagues would be able to provide a correct answer.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I wasn't particularly fond of the '70s the first time around at August 08, 2022 02:24 PM (9SjWf)

454 418 Remind me again how much ammo the IRS has stockpiled?
Coz I suspect they're pivoting from tax collection to pillaging.

Posted by: vmom
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Vmom,
That behavior got King John in trouble so we got the Magna Carta. King George III did not learn lessons from that so we got the Declaration of Independence. For example,
"He has erected a Multitude of new Offices, and sent hither Swarms of Officers to harrass our People, and eat out their Substance."

Posted by: whig at August 08, 2022 02:24 PM (CXr4y)

455 Really? So all the people who use professional tax preparers, CPAs, are suckers? Really?

Posted by: Braenyard
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rut roh.

*munches on popcorn*

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 08, 2022 02:24 PM (rY/MT)

456 Why in the Hell are they auditing 128,000 people with no income?

Posted by: vic /s at August 08, 2022 02:24 PM (mZwKe)

457 The tax code is a huge graftastic money makers for politicians.

Someone upstairs mentioned that what would be easy and fair is a simple across the board 10% tax. Rich or poor it's 10%. Done.

Except, except, except...how are our politicians gonna turn that into a graft factory?

They can't so fairness will never happen. Reform will never come.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 08, 2022 02:24 PM (5NkmN)

458 The gop will do another fake govt shutdown because they think we are idiots. They think that because we kinda are and always fall for their Lucy football act.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 08, 2022 02:24 PM (3vQN0)

459 Normally, I am against siccing IRS auditors on people. However, I am willing to make an exception for Sarah.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 08, 2022 02:24 PM (5pTK/)

460 Again - correct.

I advocate automatic death sentences for public corruption cases whenever this regime crumbles or gets overthrown. No questions asked. No parole. A gallows pole. Or a labor camp nobody ever returns from.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice
______________________

I think the Prussians had an entirely separate legal code (harsher) and court system for public officials.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at August 08, 2022 02:24 PM (es0Dj)

461 >>> 451 What's it going to take to get you pussy's to start shooting?
Posted by: Zombie George Washington at August 08, 2022 02:23 PM (gmo/4)

Usually people need to get hungry. Very hungry.

How's this fall and winter looking?

Posted by: Sri Lankans at August 08, 2022 02:24 PM (llON8)

462 Don't put any faith in the federal government anymore.
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Never had any to begin with.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 08, 2022 02:25 PM (rY/MT)

463 "What's it going to take to get you pussy's to start shooting?"
Says the guy who very quickly became a tax collector after freeing us from the Brits.
(Whiskey Rebellion)

Posted by: gourmand du jour, with capers at August 08, 2022 02:25 PM (jTmQV)

464 Through their welter of idiotic propaganda no one at the Free Beacon or at Front Page Mag seems to have noticed that doubling the size of the IRS workforce and septupling its budget are incompatible claims. If the workforce is doubled, the budget, ceteris paribus, would also double. It would not septuple. Might it be that the allocated money will be spent over the course of multiple years instead of the one year these geniuses are assuming?

By the way, if your investments are generating tenfold yearly returns, as the IRS investments in auditing are, why wouldn't you invest more in such a jackpot? Sympathy for the devil? Or is there actual evidence (none was adduced by these propagandists) of significant auditing abuse? I think there is a clear problem with omitted audits, especially for illegal aliens, who cheat more often on their taxes than any other demographic and ought to be audited incessantly--or until they self-deport.

Posted by: Craken at August 08, 2022 02:25 PM (Wlx6n)

465 ++++
If there is ever another "government shutdown" battle, the Republicans need to treat it as total war. No quarter. Hold out until people are screaming so much that the opposition caves. That little battle is *always* theater. It shouldn't be.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 02:22 PM (WWh8n)
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Not gonna happen with the Double Mc Burgers in charge.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 08, 2022 02:25 PM (sP+u8)

466 The War On The Middle Class™️ continues unabated. It’s Groundhog Day.

Posted by: Zombie Ronald Reagan, please save us! at August 08, 2022 02:25 PM (/byiv)

467 456 Why in the Hell are they auditing 128,000 people with no income?
Posted by: vic /s at August 08, 2022 02:24 PM (mZwKe)

Refundable tax credit fraud...

Posted by: Nova local at August 08, 2022 02:25 PM (exHjb)

468 We should ask Sarah about her tax preparer.

Posted by: She Hobbit at August 08, 2022 02:25 PM (ftFVW)

469 There is an entire underground economy that works. This semi-hidden workforce stays off of welfare (for the most part) by keeping to shadows and dealing in cash and small check deposits. Handymen, grass cutters, power washers, off-books employees, hundreds of gig jobs. Some have one legal job (where they're probably having their wages garnished) and other cash jobs. This whole IRS will ruin it because the people paying will have to explain where that money is going. This whole economy is going to collapse.

Posted by: jwest at August 08, 2022 02:25 PM (/BlEx)

470
If there is ever another "government shutdown" battle, the Republicans need to treat it as total war. No quarter. Hold out until people are screaming so much that the opposition caves. That little battle is *always* theater. It shouldn't be.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 02:22 PM (WWh8n)

_________

The various levels of government decreed that large areas of the economy could be shut down because of COVID. People lost their paychecks, but the government drones got theirs. No pity if we have a government shutdown.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 08, 2022 02:25 PM (1Nxff)

471 >>Same answer. They won't do it because they don't want to.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 02:21 PM (WWh8n)

This. Big Tax Return donates to both sides of the aisle.

Posted by: J. Frank Parnell at August 08, 2022 02:26 PM (bnAdj)

472 Do you think all those illegals selling fruit at streetcorners in Sacramento are actually paying taxes?

lolol

Posted by: torabora at August 08, 2022 02:26 PM (fbHXO)

473 The tax code is complicated because it is the way to bribe politicians legally. I donate $100k, and a new tax law saves me $200k. And that’s why the tax code is tens of thousands of pages. 95% of it is specifically targeted to a small group of people who over they years greased the right palms.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 08, 2022 02:26 PM (3vQN0)

474 In about 5 years we're going to start seeing news stories about how "poor communities of color" are unfairly targeted by the IRS, and how tax enforcement is racist.

Because there's a LOT of tax fraud at the bottom.

Posted by: egd at August 08, 2022 02:26 PM (cOB2v)

475 474 In about 5 years we're going to start seeing news stories about how "poor communities of color" are unfairly targeted by the IRS, and how tax enforcement is racist.

Because there's a LOT of tax fraud at the bottom.
Posted by: egd at August 08, 2022 02:26 PM (cOB2v)

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The solution will be to give the IRS more money.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 02:26 PM (LvTSG)

476 Do you think all those lot lizards at truck stops actually pay taxes?

Posted by: torabora at August 08, 2022 02:26 PM (fbHXO)

477 >>> 455 Really? So all the people who use professional tax preparers, CPAs, are suckers? Really?

Posted by: Braenyard
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rut roh.

*munches on popcorn*
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 08, 2022 02:24 PM (rY/MT)

LOL

I don't think *I* said that, did I miss some other comment while I was poking around else-blog? and I don't think that's the case so much as what I said before; feralgov thinks it's in the home stretch to get to leftist utopia so they're in YOLO mode.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 08, 2022 02:27 PM (llON8)

478 I'm a weird duck with the standard deduction being higher than itemizing. I hate the IRS and the 'free' online filing has usually been capped above my income the last several years. Dang straight I mail in a paper return even though I have to print it myself anymore. Forcing the IRS to at least pay someone to feed the document through a scanner is a wee bit of personal payback for my annual hassle.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at August 08, 2022 02:27 PM (3cGpq)

479 Sarah!

https://youtu.be/32ScTb6_KHg

Posted by: Diesel Jones, Biologist at August 08, 2022 02:27 PM (Vu7A1)

480 nood Mayor Pete! Now with more Butt-edging!

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at August 08, 2022 02:27 PM (a/dOO)

481 456 Why in the Hell are they auditing 128,000 people with no income?
Posted by: vic /s at August 08, 2022 02:24 PM (mZwKe)

No REPORTED income.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 08, 2022 02:27 PM (3vQN0)

482
Do you think all those lot lizards at truck stops actually pay taxes?
Posted by: torabora at August 08, 2022 02:26 PM (fbHXO)

The money's better being a lot lizard at CPAC.

Posted by: Luntz at August 08, 2022 02:28 PM (IXpV7)

483 This should have been called the Waitress and Ebay Sellers Rectal Exam Act. The govt just hates cash transactions.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 08, 2022 02:28 PM (8GBH4)

484 Posted by: Sarah at August 08, 2022 02:23 PM (PZef2)

I'd give Sarah $100 and hour (and it probably wouldn't even take that long).

Posted by: jwest at August 08, 2022 02:28 PM (/BlEx)

485 I hope they up the SALT deduction or get rid of it all together.

Wealthy democrats really need a break.

Posted by: MJ at August 08, 2022 02:29 PM (zwDuR)

486 Don't forget this bill would never have been possible if 14 or so Republican senators didn't join the Democrats in passing the so-called "infrastructure" bill earlier. That opened the door for this to be a budget reconciliation bill that could avoid a filibuster, thus allowing it to be passed with just 50 votes instead of the usual 60 in the Senate. So yeah, you can blame that "masterful" legislative "genius," Mitch McConnell.

Posted by: Rusty Trawler at August 08, 2022 02:29 PM (1gif2)

487 What are they going to do with 87000 employees after everyone gets audited? Its only going to take a few years.

Will they spend their days surfing porn in their cubicles?

Posted by: torabora at August 08, 2022 02:30 PM (fbHXO)

488 448 did I say that? I do agree that it is a grift to pay a tax preparer. The accounting lobby wants a complicated tax code just like lawyers want the law to seem incomprehensible to the average guy. Their entire job is based on screwing over the average guy.

Posted by: Quint at August 08, 2022 02:31 PM (btbnt)

489 I hope they up the SALT deduction or get rid of it all together.

Wealthy democrats really need a break.
Posted by: MJ at August 08, 2022 02:29 PM (zwDuR)
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I think one of the provisions of this bill is raising the SALT cap. Blue states were screaming bloody murder at no longer being able to hide just how much they were taxing people.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 08, 2022 02:31 PM (5pTK/)

490 469 There is an entire underground economy that works. This semi-hidden workforce stays off of welfare (for the most part) by keeping to shadows and dealing in cash and small check deposits. Handymen, grass cutters, power washers, off-books employees, hundreds of gig jobs. Some have one legal job (where they're probably having their wages garnished) and other cash jobs. This whole IRS will ruin it because the people paying will have to explain where that money is going. This whole economy is going to collapse.

Posted by: jwest
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People deliberately avoiding taxes are not that sympathetic for a group. Same as those that commit deliberate fraud to get tax refunds.

The main problem is that these new agents will go after the law abiding rather than the petty crooks because of political considerations.

Posted by: whig at August 08, 2022 02:32 PM (CXr4y)

491 The new DIVERSE IRS employees will bust on whitey and give the brothers a pass.

Posted by: torabora at August 08, 2022 02:33 PM (fbHXO)

492 There are hundreds of thousands of men evading child support (and taxes) by working off books.

Posted by: torabora at August 08, 2022 02:35 PM (fbHXO)

493 The IRS needs more folks to process returns.

I am still waiting for $1,800 of "stimulus" from 2020.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at August 08, 2022 02:35 PM (C1rbv)

494 453. They by law can say they are not liable for giving you correct information. If the IRS steers you wrong, you can’t fault them. If you get it wrong, you are in a world of hurt.

Posted by: Quint at August 08, 2022 02:37 PM (btbnt)

495 Sarah is going to take it up the squeak hole by the IRS

Posted by: Beartooth at August 08, 2022 02:37 PM (+ksY7)

496 Mornings with Maria
@MorningsMaria

@RepTedBudd
: "They completely have it backward.

We need to be hiring 87,000 more border agents, 87,000 more cops.

You can't treat the American family like they're tax
cheats, and that's the assumption by hiring 87,000 more IRS agents."
https://tinyurl.com/35ntektk

Posted by: redridinghood at August 08, 2022 02:37 PM (NpAcC)

497 Helena Handbasket, it was not a response to any comment you made. It was a different person.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 08, 2022 02:37 PM (sP+u8)

498 487. The CONTRACTS will tell the tale, eventually.

Employees are unionized so, yes, nothing changes. Contractors, a different matter usually.

Posted by: Lola at August 08, 2022 02:38 PM (NIYa7)

499 For some reason my 2014 returns were really investigated by the feds. My returns are always the standard type of thing for a typical W2 employee. In 2012 I did make some minor political contributions. I actually think it was targeted because of that.

Posted by: Don at August 08, 2022 02:38 PM (Q7knO)

500 A really savvy IRS agent could make a lot fixing people's returns for a small purchase of some stolen crapola off of EBay.

Posted by: torabora at August 08, 2022 02:39 PM (fbHXO)

501 If you have enough money to make contributions to J6'ers and conservate causes you didn't pay enough taxes,

Posted by: IRS at August 08, 2022 02:41 PM (fbHXO)

502 Speaking of eating out, if I werent a Christian, Id say that Joe Bidens dead son is the center of a continent long human centipede in hell.

But I am a Christian so I wont say that.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at August 08, 2022 02:43 PM (Ypn8Y)

503 You didn't think all of this spending was going to pay for itself.

*whispers*

*pay your fair share*

Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 08, 2022 02:46 PM (WHt4f)

504 How do you think he *knew* Newt G and Bob Livingstone were having affairs?
Posted by: 18-1 at Augus
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That was LBJs bedtime reading.
He would have Edgar send him a file or two.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 08, 2022 02:46 PM (sP+u8)

505 Nobody, in the first 300 comments anyway, has asked *who* these 87,000 new IRS employees are going to be. Amazing.

I'll tell you. The same people who became the all-powerful TSA at the airports. The same people stealing votes in Atlanta and Detroit.

Fat, angry, racist black democrats -- mostly women -- with all the entitlement and presumption of unlimited power, and with zero accountability, and zero qualifications.

I'll wait to be proven wrong, but I won't hold my breath.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at August 08, 2022 02:55 PM (M9XmQ)

506 "Hey, our tax program is burdensome, byzantine labyrinth that people run afoul of in good faith efforts on a regular basis. It's almost impossible to be in compliance with it. Don't you think that we should simplify it?"

"No, hire more enforcers so that we can catch people that screwed up"

"But I thought Democrats were supposed to be about social justice and all about the little guy?"

"LOL"

Posted by: Goober at August 08, 2022 03:00 PM (Hgvgt)

507 Auditing? Raise your hand if that is the worst thing you think is coming.

Posted by: Davidh at August 08, 2022 03:06 PM (LfE+L)

508 We own a small biz. We were already downsizing in anticipation of this kind of thing... sure don't regret it.
We'll employ fewer folks, and probably make more money.

Posted by: MkY at August 08, 2022 03:31 PM (cPGH3)

509 I was audited twice.

1st audit, they owed me $75, IF I provided ALL my receipts.

2nd audit. It was the SAME YEAR!!! Total fishing expedition threatening letter.

Posted by: SmileyGG at August 08, 2022 04:34 PM (77cT/)

510 "How about just don't cheat on tax returns? A fully truthful and accurate tax return is bulletproof in an audit."

How about don't make them so effing complicated.

How about not making the tax rate so high people feel they aren't getting good value for their payment.

How about not being arrogant assholes.

Posted by: iowaan at August 08, 2022 07:04 PM (FVwYr)

511 This is a modern method of liquidating the kulaks. Small business folks don't have the money to fight audits, so we will end up closing shop instead.

Posted by: Penultimatum at August 08, 2022 07:48 PM (dA2bw)

512 A couple of points; most fraud today isn't people chiseling to reduce the tax they pay, it's people using ID theft to file false returns, scammers creating non-existent dependents (ITINs) to inflate ACTC, preparers who pay a refund upfront, then alter the return to get a bigger refund and pocket the difference, and the really creative ones who create false companies, file W2 info with SSA, but don't pay into the treasury and claim the fake withholding on returns. They take advantage of new programs too. The IRS has paid out billions to scammers claiming the Covid sick pay credit.
The sad part for honest taxpayers is that these schemes target the refundable credits, especially EITC and ACTC. These credits are mostly claimed by lower income people so guess which part of the income bracket gets targeted for closer looks.
If there's a bright side to having your refund held up for months by this process, it's that the IRS pays out millions in interest each year on those delayed refunds, so you get a slightly larger refund than you expected.

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