The Morning Rant - More Electric Vehicle Follies and Fires; Firefighters Weigh In

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Electric Vehicles may have a place as a boutique, status-symbol car that will never be used for long distance travel or towing. But they are simply not an option for people who do not have the budget for a second car that’s limited to in-town driving.

I wouldn’t have a problem with EVs if weren’t for these two major issues:

1) I’m being forced to subsidize them with $7,500 taxpayer-funded credits to EV buyers. If I shouldn’t have to subsidize your Rolex or Gucci bag, why should I subsidize your status-symbol car?

2) EV super-fanboys aren’t content to simply drive their EVs, they want to outlaw the gasoline-powered vehicles that the rest of us choose to drive, and force us to drive EVs.

By the way, did you know that the EV tax credit has only benefited affluent car buyers? Only those paying more than $7,500 in federal income taxes in a single year currently receive the full $7,500 tax credit. The EV tax credit has been yet another case of liberal politicians redistributing wealth from the working class to affluent, urban leftists.

If you purchased a Nissan LEAF and owed say, $3,500 in income tax this year, then that is the federal tax credit you would receive. If you owed $10,000 in federal income tax, then you would qualify for the full $7,500 credit.

It’s important to note that any unused portion of the $7,500 is not available as a refund, nor as a credit for next year’s taxes.

Whenever I write a post about EVs, I get pushback that “the market will decide” about EVs, and that as free market conservatives, we should encourage the competition of EVs. I’m sorry, but there is nothing “free market” about subsidizing the purchase of vehicles favored by gentry liberals. And there is nothing “free market” or conservative about tolerating state and federal governments outlawing the manufacture of internal combustion cars.

Speaking of EV fanboys, in response to that recent Wall Street Journal horror story about an EV trip from New Orleans to Chicago and back, an EV enthusiast writing for ARS Technica thought if he just planned well, he could easily manage the re-charging hassle and drive an EV from Washington DC to upstate New York. It turned out to be another horror story.

ELECTRIC CARS ARE DOOMED IF FAST CHARGER RELIABILITY DOESN’T GET BETTER: If every driver has a horror story about charging, adoption is going to stall

As a smug EV evangelist and self-proclaimed EV expert, I rolled my eyes. "They just didn't plan well enough," I thought to myself, not realizing I was merely hoisting myself on my own petard.

Despite plenty of planning, I still spent almost as much time stationary, arguing with charging machinery, as I did actually putting electrons into the car's battery pack throughout the 600-mile journey.

At each charging stop, in Virginia, Pennsylvania, and New York, I ran into problems. A five-minute wait to see if the car and charger would establish communications was invariably the case. Waiting 10 minutes was not uncommon. Even then, there was no time to relax; more than once, an error somewhere in the loop shut everything down after just a few kWh.

Only one of six charging stops was painless...

Then there was the problem of whether or not all of the chargers at a given location were even functional. At one EA station…two of four chargers were completely inoperable and a third was reduced to just 50 kW.

If you're lucky, you get to the charger when no one else is around, and maybe you're recharging your battery before the third anxious EV arrives on the scene and joins the wait. More likely, you're on the phone with tech support.

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Long distance travel in an EV is clearly not feasible. But how far can you actually feel comfortable going in one? The answer is “not very far” if you are also trying to tow something.

Horror stories keep coming in from the automotive press about the atrocious towing range of EVs, and I’m going to keep highlighting them.

TOW NO! THE FORD F150 LIGHTNING STRUGGLED IN OUR TOWING TEST; We towed 3100, 5300, and 7200 pound travel trailers with Ford’s electric truck and didn’t get very far from home. [Motor Trend – 7/31/2022]

Before you hitch an Airstream to your electric truck and set out to circumnavigate the country, you need to understand this: With the largest available battery pack, a fully charged 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning electric truck has less energy onboard than a regular F-150 with four gallons of gas in its tank.

In other words, you can travel only 50 or 60 miles before you need to go through the awful challenge of trying to re-charge while on the road away from home.

Now that you understand where we're starting from, you won't be as surprised to learn that the towing range of the electric F-150 is dismal.

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Speaking of EVs, how’s the “EV batteries keep catching on fire” situation coming along.

Not so good. One high-flying EV startup keeps having its EV batteries catch on fire at its factory.

Lucid Had Two EV Battery Fires at Arizona Facility in Four Months [Business Insider – 7/13/2022]

Also, the vehicles themselves continue to spontaneously erupt into flames. Here are some new incidents:

Jaguar I-Pace catches on fire again – is this another Bolt EV battery fire situation? [Elektrek – 8/01/2022] (A picture of this car is at the top of this post, under the headline.)

Another Jaguar I-Pace battery caught on fire without any crash after simply sitting charging in a garage. This is the fourth known I-Pace battery fire that seemingly started on its own, which is starting to be significant considering the relatively small number of units on the roads.

Jaguar also uses LG battery cells like the Bolt EV and Kona EV, which were both recalled for battery fire risks. Is this another Bolt EV battery fire situation?

Take a look at this terrifying photo from two weeks ago. This is was an electric bus operated by CTtransit in Connecticut. It had only been in service for a couple of months. The rest of the electric fleet has temporarily been yanked from service, at least until the wreckage of this electric bus cools.


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After massive bus fire, CT pulls electric fleet from service [CT Insider – 7/26/2022]

One day after officials touted the passage of the Connecticut Clean Air Act, including plans for thousands of electric vehicles to hit the road, one of the state-run electric buses caught on fire over the weekend. The blaze engulfed a CTtransit bus in a Hamden parking lot Saturday morning, sending two workers and a firefighter to the hospital, officials said.

“Lithium ion battery fires are difficult to extinguish due to the thermal chemical process that produces great heat and continually reignites,” Hamden fire officials said.

Two transit workers were hospitalized as a precaution after being exposed to the smoke. A firefighter was also taken to the hospital for heat exhaustion, officials said.

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Speaking of the peril for firefighters trying to extinguish burning EV batteries…

Firefighters Issue Warning: EV Fires Require 10x More Water to Put Out, Up to 10,000 Gallons of Water [The Western Journal – 7/06/2022]

… a gas-powered car typically takes less than 1,000 gallons of water to douse it when it catches on fire. But EVs are a bigger problem, he said. When an electric vehicle catches on fire, firemen are faced with a “thermal runaway.”

Fremont Fire Department Battalion Chief Gary Ashley said, “The protocol is to start using copious amounts of water, up to 3,000 gallons, so that’s what we started doing.”

So what. Just pour more water on the burning EV, right? Well, for that kind of volume you need a fire hydrant, which you’ll not find along interstate highways or rural roadways.

“In rural areas, especially on interstates where there are no hydrants, this is going to create a logistical issue for emergency response agencies as they’re going to have to shuttle the water up that they need,” the National Volunteer Fire Council’s Tom Miller said.

Ace of Spades reader “Dano” is a firefighter. He confirmed the problem to me, explaining that when they get a call about a burning vehicle, they send the engine that is equipped for fire and extrication. It contains about 500 gallons of water. He told me that of the dozens of car fires he has attended to, none had ever required more than 500 gallons to extinguish until this past winter when he dealt with a burning EV. In Dano’s words, “We got called to a vehicle fire and responded within three minutes. The vehicle was fully flashed over and we dumped almost 3,000 gallons of water before it could be loaded on the tow truck.” It required a separate tanker truck of water to be dispatched to be able to finally extinguish the burning EV.

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General Motors has come up with a nifty solution to deal with the problem of its electric Chevy Bolt spontaneously bursting into flames.

Chevy Offers Bolt Owners $6,000 to Waive Right to Sue Over Battery Fires [Jalopnik – 8/02/2022]

After more than a year of bad news around battery fires, this summer Chevy slashed the price of the electric Bolt and Bolt EUV by as much as $6,000, making the Bolt the most affordable electric car on sale in America. In an effort to appease customers who bought their Bolts before the discount, Chevy offered a cash rebate to existing Bolt owners. But as a tipster points out to Jalopnik, in order to receive the rebate, Bolt owners have to waive all rights to sue GM over the vehicle — including their right to sue if their Bolt battery catches fire.

Sorry GM, but a 100% rebate and a backseat full of fire extinguishers wouldn’t be enough to get me to drive that car.

(buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com)

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at 11:00 AM




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Posted by: SturmToddler (po3vF) at August 08, 2022 11:00 AM (p03vF)

2 SPonge!!

Posted by: SturmToddler (po3vF) at August 08, 2022 11:00 AM (p03vF)

3 En Fuego!!!

Posted by: SturmToddler (po3vF) at August 08, 2022 11:00 AM (p03vF)

4 corgis called

Posted by: SturmToddler (po3vF) at August 08, 2022 11:01 AM (p03vF)

5 After massive bus fire, CT pulls electric fleet from service [CT Insider – 7/26/2022]

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The grafters got paid, so I'm not seeing the problem here.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 11:01 AM (LvTSG)

6 'morning

Posted by: Ciampino - sunny day at August 08, 2022 11:01 AM (qfLjt)

7 Welcome to the dark side. Nothing that I haven't been saying.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 08, 2022 11:02 AM (j+4+t)

8 That's an impressive bit of hardware failure. Don't think that you'll see that on an ad campaign though.

Posted by: NR Pax at August 08, 2022 11:02 AM (4olE8)

9 So, in top pic, did it catch on fire as he pulled out? Or did someone see it on fire and get it away from the house?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 08, 2022 11:02 AM (dNqv+)

10 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 08, 2022 11:03 AM (9gDA7)

11 These are mostly peaceful EV fires.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 08, 2022 11:03 AM (ppL7t)

12 Boy, some of these electrical car fires would be a great way to get rid of a body.

I mean, if you were so inclined to do something like that.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at August 08, 2022 11:03 AM (FJYfm)

13 Also in top pic, How much of that is melted plastic?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 08, 2022 11:03 AM (dNqv+)

14 Ever see a gasoline vehicle burned? It still looks like a car when it is over.

Posted by: astonerii at August 08, 2022 11:04 AM (VcZlJ)

15 So it's apparently becoming a game to take photos of electric charging stations underwater. Here's a Tesla one. An entire parking lot of deadly chargers:

https://tinyurl.com/2llfc9ma

hahaha

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Gas demand is below pandemic levels at August 08, 2022 11:04 AM (Vgkya)

16 My town is full of golf carts with deep-cycle lead/acid batteries. That is as far as I am willing to go on EVs.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 08, 2022 11:04 AM (MeDDJ)

17 "It’s important to note that any unused portion of the $7,500 is not available as a refund, nor as a credit for next year’s taxes."

same goes for solar panel rebates (I assume it works the same).

Posted by: illiniwek at August 08, 2022 11:04 AM (Cus5s)

18 Carbecues.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 08, 2022 11:05 AM (atmen)

19 Yeah, let's not discuss flaming EV's, okay?

Posted by: Richard Hammond at August 08, 2022 11:05 AM (5pTK/)

20 Transportation secretary runs through the broken window fallacy as hard as Obama did.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 08, 2022 11:05 AM (44ww/)

21 They're taking our jobs, man! What the hell!!!!

Posted by: French Yoots dans les banlieues at August 08, 2022 11:05 AM (/EuRN)

22 2) EV super-fanboys aren’t content to simply drive their EVs, they want to outlaw the gasoline-powered vehicles that the rest of us choose to drive, and force us to drive EVs.

Here's the kick in the teeth. Oil is supremely capital intensive. You won't have "boutique" refineries refining 1 million gallons a year for jet fuel or diesel. It's all or nothing.

AND WHEN IT'S NOTHING, you won't have plastics.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 08, 2022 11:05 AM (j+4+t)

23 19 Yeah, let's not discuss flaming EV's, okay?
Posted by: Richard Hammond at August 08, 2022 11:05 AM (5pTK/)

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Yeah, they have a tendency to attract dinosaurs on cold nights.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 11:06 AM (LvTSG)

24 In a sane world, EVs would be illegal. Imagine if any other product regularly exploded into fires that are almost impossible to out out, literally raped the Earth and tore mountains down for precious metals needed to build them, required billions in subsidies to make even remotely market feasible, were almost completely useless as practical transportation, and required huge charges of electricity from rickety old power grids fed mostly by coal-fired plants.

Posted by: Elric Blade at August 08, 2022 11:06 AM (iFTx/)

25 AND WHEN IT'S NOTHING, you won't have plastics.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 08, 2022 11:05 AM (j+4+t)

This.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 08, 2022 11:06 AM (dNqv+)

26 TRUCKS ARE AWESOME DUDE. SERIOUSLY IN TWELVE YEARS EVERYONE IS GOING TO HAVE A TRUCK. NINETY PERCENT OF VEHICLE BUYERS DON'T NEED ANYTHING ELSE EXCEPT A TRUCK. DID I TELL YOU I HAVE A TRUCK? YOU SHOULD BUY A TRUCK. EVERYONE SHOULD BUY A TRUCK. THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD MAKE EVERYONE BUY A TRUCK.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Gas demand is below pandemic levels at August 08, 2022 11:06 AM (Vgkya)

27 BREAKING: Owing to EV Fires, NHTSA Mandates All New Vehicles Sold Beginning in 2023 Be Outfitted With Fire Suppression Equipment. Developing ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, it gets worse here every day at August 08, 2022 11:06 AM (qTwBO)

28 I have a milwaukee cordless grinder

even that sucks

Posted by: REDACTED at August 08, 2022 11:06 AM (us2H3)

29 Everyone needs a space to burn.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 08, 2022 11:07 AM (ppL7t)

30 "We don't want electric cars. Drop it already." -America

Posted by: DB at August 08, 2022 11:07 AM (geLO8)

31 You know the true EV cultists will say, "Isolated incidents!"

To which I reply: "When was the last time your regular gas or diesel vehicle caught fire in your own garage?
Now that's *really* isolated --!"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 08, 2022 11:07 AM (txdEq)

32 26 TRUCKS ARE AWESOME DUDE. SERIOUSLY IN TWELVE YEARS EVERYONE IS GOING TO HAVE A TRUCK. NINETY PERCENT OF VEHICLE BUYERS DON'T NEED ANYTHING ELSE EXCEPT A TRUCK. DID I TELL YOU I HAVE A TRUCK? YOU SHOULD BUY A TRUCK. EVERYONE SHOULD BUY A TRUCK. THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD MAKE EVERYONE BUY A TRUCK.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Gas demand is below pandemic levels at August 08, 2022 11:06 AM (Vgkya)

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The government "encouraging" people to buy trucks is the conservative thing to do.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 11:07 AM (LvTSG)

33 man, i do so love a story with a happy ending. more and ore car-b-ques is the answer.

I wonder if the yutes of indeterminant origin in europe are looking at ev's for the summer?

Posted by: SturmToddler (po3vF) at August 08, 2022 11:07 AM (p03vF)

34 Dibs on comment #47 in the "Electric Vehicle Guy" pool.

Posted by: Chuck C at August 08, 2022 11:07 AM (xttsV)

35 18 Carbecues.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 08, 2022 11:05 AM (atmen)

sorry, no grills, dude

Posted by: REDACTED at August 08, 2022 11:07 AM (us2H3)

36 we have a Moron with a real hard-on for EVs. This post should be catnip for him.

Posted by: DB at August 08, 2022 11:08 AM (geLO8)

37 Related "green" nudging in my name field:

Remember when no one was driving anywhere during the pandemic and the government had forced everyone to stay home?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Gas demand is below pandemic levels at August 08, 2022 11:08 AM (Vgkya)

38 Ima just stand here in the corner buffing my nails on my lapel. Nice to see people catching up.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 08, 2022 11:08 AM (j+4+t)

39 Lefty relative telling me I'm exaggerating these problems with EVs. Notes that I have an electric golf cart, and I've never had any of these issues.
Yes, good apples to apples comparison to a vehicle that I use 2-3 times a week, for less than 10 miles a trip, and that doesn't get up to highway speeds (although I wish it did)

Posted by: Wally at August 08, 2022 11:08 AM (FJYfm)

40 My dad bought an EV at one point. He was pissed when he had to permanently return it due to a manufacturer recall. I explained to him, "You really wanted the house to burn down when the batteries caught fire?"
My dad was quite the stubborn man. To his dying day, he was still pissed about losing that car, even though he was paid a handsome sum for it.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 08, 2022 11:08 AM (ynpvh)

41 But wait, theres more!

Automakers say as many as 70% of EVs sold in the US won't qualify for the rebates because too much of the materials, mostly the batteries, are not made in the US as is required to qualify for the rebates.

https://tinyurl.com/2p98b7ev

Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2022 11:08 AM (ZLI7S)

42 Whenever I write a post about EVs, I get pushback that "the market will decide" about EVs, and that as free market conservatives, we should encourage the competition of EVs. I'm sorry, but there is nothing "free market" about subsidizing the purchase of vehicles favored by gentry liberals. And there is nothing "free market" or conservative about tolerating state and federal governments outlawing the manufacture of internal combustion cars.

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"Fine. Remove all subsidies and let the market decide."
-The correct response

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 11:08 AM (LvTSG)

43 LOLGF.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 08, 2022 11:09 AM (9gDA7)

44 That picture is the reason why the Navy does not allow any of that garbage onboard ships. You literally can't put out the fires from them, you have to just let it burn completely out and then deal with the toxic leftover mess.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 08, 2022 11:09 AM (bVYXr)

45 I read recently when a Tesla caught fire the doors would not open, they had to kick the front windshield out to escape.... not sure if true but would not surprise me.

Posted by: Haywood at August 08, 2022 11:09 AM (RWOMH)

46 To which I reply: "When was the last time your regular gas or diesel vehicle caught fire in your own garage?
Now that's *really* isolated --!"
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 08, 2022 11:07 AM (txdEq)
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I believe GM put out guidance suggesting owners of the Chevy Volt not park the Volt in their garage.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 08, 2022 11:09 AM (5pTK/)

47 39 Lefty relative telling me I'm exaggerating these problems with EVs. Notes that I have an electric golf cart, and I've never had any of these issues.
Yes, good apples to apples comparison to a vehicle that I use 2-3 times a week, for less than 10 miles a trip, and that doesn't get up to highway speeds (although I wish it did)

Posted by: Wally at August 08, 2022 11:08 AM (FJYfm)

Does it run on Lithium Ion batteries, or regular old lead-acid?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 08, 2022 11:09 AM (ynpvh)

48 And how environmentally friendly is that 3,000 gallons of water tainted with heavy metal lithium?

I'm sure our streams and waterways appreciate that runoff.

Posted by: Scott_T at August 08, 2022 11:10 AM (2waQ7)

49 >.Remember when no one was driving anywhere during the pandemic and the government had forced everyone to stay home?


talk about not going anywhere- one tank of gas lasted me from May 31 to last week- I couldn't afford to go anywhere or do anything, so I didn't

Posted by: DB at August 08, 2022 11:10 AM (geLO8)

50 44 That picture is the reason why the Navy does not allow any of that garbage onboard ships. You literally can't put out the fires from them, you have to just let it burn completely out and then deal with the toxic leftover mess.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 08, 2022 11:09 AM (bVYXr)

"Push it overboard! Quickly!"

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 08, 2022 11:10 AM (ynpvh)

51 >>>EV super-fanboys aren’t content to simply drive their EVs, they want to outlaw the gasoline-powered vehicles that the rest of us choose to drive, and force us to drive EVs.

There's the rub. If they are truly against fossil fuel power production, then they should limit their charging of their electric vehicles from those sources that are not derived from or supported by fossil fuel power sources.

That virtue signal would drop like a rock by the end of the day when they are stuck at work or the grocery store after the sun goes down.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 08, 2022 11:11 AM (U3uv2)

52 I have also heard that there is a industry battle going on with the recharging stations. Four major players vying for the contract to make the connectors and become the industry standard. So even if you have an EV, your local.charging station may not fit.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 08, 2022 11:11 AM (anj39)

53 Dibs on comment #47 in the "Electric Vehicle Guy" pool.
Posted by: Chuck C at August 08, 2022 11:07 AM


Oh well, I lost. He must be asleep.

Posted by: Chuck C at August 08, 2022 11:11 AM (xttsV)

54 They will fix the EV credit issue in the continuing resolution to be done in September, Stabenow already telegraphed it. By the ti e everything is said and done with Build back better lite it will be 2 or 3 times the cost.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at August 08, 2022 11:11 AM (oWBc3)

55 I love that Chevy has an EV version of the Bl azer. Irony

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at August 08, 2022 11:11 AM (OgrpQ)

56 >>And how environmentally friendly is that 3,000 gallons of water tainted with heavy metal lithium?

You left of a 0. It can take anywhere from 30,000 to 40,000 gallons of water to extinguish an EV fire.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2022 11:11 AM (ZLI7S)

57 27 BREAKING: Owing to EV Fires, NHTSA Mandates All New Vehicles Sold Beginning in 2023 Be Outfitted With Fire Suppression Equipment. Developing ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, it gets worse here every day at August 08, 2022 11:06 AM (qTwBO)

That's like getting everybody vaccinated for a disease that mostly kills the aged and infirmed...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 08, 2022 11:12 AM (ynpvh)

58 Ever see a gasoline vehicle burned? It still looks like a car when it is over.
Posted by: astonerii at August 08, 2022


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The charred shell of one, yes. In Jan. '85 I had a '75 Volvo catch fire while I was driving it. 'Struth. The gas line broke and started spitting fuel onto the windshield and onto the hot engine. My then-wife said flames were licked out from under the instrument panel. I wrestled the car to the shoulder and we leaped out and ran to a safe distance while it burned end to end.

Two days later I went to see it at the tow yard. Charred and blackened like bread that's been in the toaster too long. The body shell was recognizable -- but not much else looked like a car.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 08, 2022 11:12 AM (txdEq)

59 In other words, you can travel only 50 or 60 miles [while towing a trailer] before you need to go through the awful challenge of trying to re-charge [your electric truck] while on the road away from home.

And exactly how are you not going to end up blocking traffic at a charging station for a couple hours since they are *all* pull in parking spots designed for a passenger car. That you happen to have 40 foot long truck/trailer combo is an oopsie. God help you if Karen shows up.

Posted by: Lost In Space at August 08, 2022 11:12 AM (FF+On)

60 My parents recently asked me if I was going to by an EV anytime soon. Although my initial reaction was "HELL NO!" my actual reaction was quite more subdued...

If you want an EV, go for it.

But don't force me to buy something that will NOT meet my needs.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 08, 2022 11:12 AM (YIVH2)

61 Whenever I write a post about EVs, I get pushback that “the market will decide” about EVs, and that as free market conservatives, we should encourage the competition of EVs. I’m sorry, but there is nothing “free market” about subsidizing the purchase of vehicles favored by gentry liberals. And there is nothing “free market” or conservative about tolerating state and federal governments outlawing the manufacture of internal combustion cars.
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The market (such as it is with all of the subsidies and credits and whatnot) did decide, and it decided that EVs are good for two things:
1. Status symbol toys (high-end Teslas, etc.)
2. In-town runabouts, usually second cars (Nissan Leaf, etc.)

Since the market failed to decide in favor of EVs in all use cases even with the government's thumb on the scale, the market (that is, its participants) must be punished and forced to make the "right" decision.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 11:12 AM (WWh8n)

62
Since it's a metal fire, EV fires need a Metal-X extinguisher to put them out. Otherwise it just keeps re-igniting. Water, foam and carbon dioxide are useless.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 08, 2022 11:13 AM (1Nxff)

63 Since the market failed to decide in favor of EVs in all use cases even with the government's thumb on the scale, the market (that is, its participants) must be punished and forced to make the "right" decision.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 11:12 AM (WWh8n)
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Yup.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 08, 2022 11:13 AM (5pTK/)

64 44 That picture is the reason why the Navy does not allow any of that garbage onboard ships. You literally can't put out the fires from them, you have to just let it burn completely out and then deal with the toxic leftover mess.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 08, 2022 11:09 AM (bVYXr)

Need a shit load of sand.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 08, 2022 11:13 AM (dNqv+)

65 Speaking of fires, I can't tell you how many acquaintances I have that are in the full, "just let it all burn down" mindset these days. Larger and larger swaths of our population are going to have to suffer to right this mess.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at August 08, 2022 11:13 AM (oWBc3)

66 In the long sad history of bad ideas, incentivizing the mass adoption of electric cars, before the technology was safe, and the infrastructure in place, is almost but not quite as bad as forcing banks to make housing loans to unqualified buyers.

Posted by: YMMV but prolly not bc you'll never find a charger at August 08, 2022 11:13 AM (l8Jcg)

67 17 "It’s important to note that any unused portion of the $7,500 is not available as a refund, nor as a credit for next year’s taxes."

same goes for solar panel rebates (I assume it works the same).

Posted by: illiniwek at August 08, 2022 11:04 AM (Cus5s)

It is true. I made use if it (and a California Solar Initiative, CSI, rebate too). That year I paid no taxes...
If it hadn't been for all those tax incentives and rebates, I never would have bought the panels (I did the maths to see when I would hit break even, and it'll be any year now).

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 08, 2022 11:13 AM (ynpvh)

68 Mr Waters hit back: "With any war, you need to look at the history.

"It started on this day, you could say it started in 2008.

"This war is basically about the action and reaction of NATO pushing right up to the Russian border that they promised they wouldn't do when Gorbachev negotiated the withdrawal of the USSR from the whole of Eastern Europe."

During the often-heated interview, Mr Waters tore apart Mr Smerconish's suggestion World War 2 was won thanks to intervention from the US, arguing Russia had already secured most of Eastern Europe by the time the allied forces spread through the continent.

He also dismissed concerns about China's growing hostility towards Taiwan, insisting the island is part of China.

The Pink Floyd co-founder said: "You have no role as liberators." [...]

The Pink Floyd guitarist, who appeared to become increasingly frustrated, snapped: "Thank God the Russians had already won the b***dy war almost by then. Don't forget almost 23 million Russians died protecting you and me from the Nazi menace."

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 08, 2022 11:13 AM (yikp0)

69 Personally, I would enjoy watching Pete Buttigay trapped in an EV fire. But that cuz I have a sense of humor.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 08, 2022 11:14 AM (ppL7t)

70 That'll be the day...

Posted by: creeper at August 08, 2022 11:14 AM (cTCuP)

71 I believe GM put out guidance suggesting owners of the Chevy Volt not park the Volt in their garage.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 08, 2022


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That would fit in around here. Hardly any S. Lousy-ana homeowners actually use their garages for car storage.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 08, 2022 11:14 AM (txdEq)

72 EV super-fanboys aren’t content to simply drive their EVs, they want to outlaw the gasoline-powered vehicles that the rest of us choose to drive, and force us to drive EVs.
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And the really frustrating part is being informed and knowing that it's all tied to the false "global warming" monitoring stations that were 90% biased to show global warming back in 2009 so they fixed them by making sure they are currently 96% biased to show global warming.

None of it is real. Nothing. Not a single bit. And it's all being used to destroy us.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Gas demand is below pandemic levels at August 08, 2022 11:14 AM (Vgkya)

73 It's not just EVs. My son works in underwater construction, and he tells me that his company is bidding for contracts to work on wind farms on the east coast. The junta is putting the pedal to the metal on "renewables", despite the fact that the technology is highly inefficient and massively polluting. I see good times ahead ... not.

Posted by: Nemo at August 08, 2022 11:14 AM (S6ArX)

74 Amusingly, or maybe not, my town now has six solar powered charging stations in the parking lot of city hall, paid for by a Federal grant. Looking at the published numbers from the newspaper, this set up can fully charge one Tesla in five hours of sunshine.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 08, 2022 11:14 AM (MeDDJ)

75 66 In the long sad history of bad ideas, incentivizing the mass adoption of electric cars, before the technology was safe, and the infrastructure in place, is almost but not quite as bad as forcing banks to make housing loans to unqualified buyers.

Posted by: YMMV but prolly not bc you'll never find a charger at August 08, 2022 11:13 AM (l8Jcg)

'Vaccines'.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 08, 2022 11:14 AM (dNqv+)

76 The Pink Floyd guitarist, who appeared to become increasingly frustrated, snapped: "Thank God the Russians had already won the b***dy war almost by then. Don't forget almost 23 million Russians died protecting you and me from the Nazi menace."
Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 08, 2022 11:13 AM (yikp0)
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Waters is conveniently overlooking the role Stalin played in starting WWII. Had Stalin not colluded with Germany to partition Poland, WWII might not have started.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 08, 2022 11:15 AM (5pTK/)

77 "Long distance travel in an EV is clearly not feasible"

Yeah, that's the plan. If you need to travel >50 miles, take the high speed train.

Posted by: BignJames at August 08, 2022 11:15 AM (AwYPR)

78 -What an awesome picture!
Normal car fires would have the front of the car gone from flames (technically, where-ever the engine is)

This EV is gone except for the metal subframe and "engine compartment".

Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 08, 2022 11:15 AM (MFphb)

79 I still don't mind them as toy, I'm Tesla-curious...I'd drive one but wouldn't buy one.

There does need to be a mandated universal standard charging setup. Just like with gas tanks/nozzles. (I'm not a fan of mandates but this is a standards and measures issue)

Until you have that, and a better handle on battery life and recycling, EVs will never be an option for wide-scale adoption. My fear is that EV mandates are coming, ready or not. See also CA and WA.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 08, 2022 11:15 AM (XvPQV)

80 Despite plenty of planning, I still spent almost as much time stationary, arguing with charging machinery, as I did actually putting electrons into the car's battery pack throughout the 600-mile journey.

At each charging stop, in Virginia, Pennsylvania, and New York, I ran into problems. A five-minute wait to see if the car and charger would establish communications was invariably the case. Waiting 10 minutes was not uncommon.

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Three charging stops in 600 miles. I would need two in my gas-powered V8 and one in my gas-powered I4. I can fill the tank in about five minutes in either case, total transaction time of maybe 6-7 minutes since you have to fiddle with the pump to pay and all that.

EVs aren't for this. They aren't for long-haul driving and they're not for towing. They're for going really fast (Tesla) or running around town (Nissan Leaf). They have a place if that's what you want, but this is *not* a viable EV use case.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 11:15 AM (WWh8n)

81 62
Since it's a metal fire, EV fires need a Metal-X extinguisher to put them out. Otherwise it just keeps re-igniting. Water, foam and carbon dioxide are useless.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 08, 2022 11:13 AM (1Nxff)

It's a thermal run-away issue with Lithium Ion batteries; you need to let them burn-out or get the temperature way, way down. Intertubes say you need a class-D dry powder extinguisher...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 08, 2022 11:15 AM (ynpvh)

82 Saw some speculation over the weekend that Anne Heche's car was an EV, and that's why it took so long to put out the fire. Don't know if it's true or not, but it reportedly took almost 60 firefighters more than an hour to extinguish the fire.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB at August 08, 2022 11:16 AM (MvHI3)

83 Need a shit load of sand.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 08, 2022 11:13 AM (dNqv+)

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We can help!

Posted by: Luke Skywalker, Paul Atreides, and Yogurt at August 08, 2022 11:16 AM (RFKzk)

84 The vehicle was fully flashed over and we dumped almost 3,000 gallons of water before it could be loaded on the tow truck.” It required a separate tanker truck of water to be dispatched to be able to finally extinguish the burning EV.


What happens to the hazmat chemicals from the battery when they are splashed all over the ground?

Posted by: rickb223 at August 08, 2022 11:16 AM (j+4+t)

85 Baby BBB now has $4k tax credits for used EVs. And I believe there are some caps in income and value of the car added.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 08, 2022 11:16 AM (3vQN0)

86 Wonder how much a fire suppression system will add to an EV cost? Not to mention the weight problem.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at August 08, 2022 11:16 AM (oWBc3)

87 Larger and larger swaths of our population are going to have to suffer to right this mess.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at August 08, 2022 11:13 AM (oWBc3)

Too bad they could not see it coming and suffer a few mean tweets.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 08, 2022 11:16 AM (U3uv2)

88 82 Saw some speculation over the weekend that Anne Heche's car was an EV, and that's why it took so long to put out the fire. Don't know if it's true or not, but it reportedly took almost 60 firefighters more than an hour to extinguish the fire.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB at August 08, 2022 11:16 AM (MvHI3)

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"No wonder I sat in that tree for so long..."
-A cast

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 11:16 AM (LvTSG)

89 I remember reading magazine articles printed during WWII. They advised that one does not attempt to extinguish burning metal (magnesium incendiary bomb) with water. That just scatters the burning metal, and feeds the fire. Dump sand on it.

Maybe we need sand tankers, pressurized with nitrogen, to fight EV fires?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 08, 2022 11:16 AM (QCyNr)

90 cat, meh

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 11:16 AM (LvTSG)

91 69 Personally, I would enjoy watching Pete Buttigay trapped in an EV fire. But that cuz I have a sense of humor.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 08, 2022 11:14 AM (ppL7t)

And Irony

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 08, 2022 11:16 AM (ynpvh)

92 That would fit in around here. Hardly any S. Lousy-ana homeowners actually use their garages for car storage.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 08, 2022 11:14 AM (txdEq)
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When we lived in Bakersfield, people were constantly complaining about stuff getting stolen from, and off of, their vehicles, which they had parked in their driveway. Meanwhile, they had a perfectly good two car garage packed full of crap. Hmmm....

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 08, 2022 11:17 AM (5pTK/)

93 Pouring water on burning lithium is not what Chemistry would dictate. Powdered sea salt, sodium chloride, would be my recommendation. Lithium reacts with water producing hydrogen. Yes, hydrogen. Boom.

Posted by: Ciampino - remember dry powder extinguishers? at August 08, 2022 11:17 AM (qfLjt)

94 That picture is the reason why the Navy does not allow any of that garbage onboard ships. You literally can't put out the fires from them, you have to just let it burn completely out and then deal with the toxic leftover mess.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 08, 2022 11:09 AM (bVYXr)

"Push it overboard! Quickly!"

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 08, 2022 11:10 AM


We actually do that with planes, they mostly have magnesium alloy wheels and other various parts made from it for weight savings. If that stuff starts burning, over the side it goes. That is extremely rare though unlike these EV car fires.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 08, 2022 11:17 AM (bVYXr)

95 Saw some speculation over the weekend that Anne Heche's car was an EV, and that's why it took so long to put out the fire. Don't know if it's true or not, but it reportedly took almost 60 firefighters more than an hour to extinguish the fire.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer

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Of course it was. See also: No race mentioned in crime reporting.

Anytime a wealthy person wrecks their sh*t they're going to tell you what kind of Bentley it was and how much it cost. Except for when it burns someone to death.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Gas demand is below pandemic levels at August 08, 2022 11:17 AM (Vgkya)

96 Progs seriously believe in 'build it, and it will work'

free energy from the sky is too beautiful an idea (delusion) for them to give up- so they won't

Posted by: DB at August 08, 2022 11:17 AM (geLO8)

97 Amusingly, or maybe not, my town now has six solar powered charging stations in the parking lot of city hall, paid for by a Federal grant. Looking at the published numbers from the newspaper, this set up can fully charge one Tesla in five hours of sunshine.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 08, 2022 11:14 AM (MeDDJ)


Our city got a few EV's for the police department to use. Patrol tried them for about a month, said "no thanks, these suck" and gave them to the detective units to use.

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 08, 2022 11:17 AM (DRSnL)

98 73 It's not just EVs. My son works in underwater construction, and he tells me that his company is bidding for contracts to work on wind farms on the east coast. The junta is putting the pedal to the metal on "renewables", despite the fact that the technology is highly inefficient and massively polluting. I see good times ahead ... not.

Posted by: Nemo at August 08, 2022 11:14 AM (S6ArX)

What are the maintenence costs? How often do the generators need to be replaced? Yeah, numbers I haven't seen.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 08, 2022 11:18 AM (ynpvh)

99 90 cat, meh
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 11:16 AM (LvTSG)

Yeah, Fritz the cat is meh

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 08, 2022 11:18 AM (XvPQV)

100 Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 08, 2022 11:13 AM (yikp0)

Waters is absolutely right about the start of the war in Ukraine and then goes off the rails as alway.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2022 11:18 AM (ZLI7S)

101 hahahahaha

Paying people to buy used EVs is hilarious.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Gas demand is below pandemic levels at August 08, 2022 11:18 AM (Vgkya)

102 I'll figure EVs are here to stay when Hertz converts its fleet.

Posted by: creeper at August 08, 2022 11:18 AM (cTCuP)

103 Saw some speculation over the weekend that Anne Heche's car was an EV, and that's why it took so long to put out the fire. Don't know if it's true or not, but it reportedly took almost 60 firefighters more than an hour to extinguish the fire.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB at August 08, 2022


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Is she okay? I saw some note on the weekend, possibly here, that she was burned some.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 08, 2022 11:18 AM (txdEq)

104 90 cat, meh
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 11:16 AM (LvTSG)

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Or, maybe... the cast of Cats?

Posted by: No One of Consequence at August 08, 2022 11:19 AM (RFKzk)

105 76 The Pink Floyd guitarist, who appeared to become increasingly frustrated, snapped: "Thank God the Russians had already won the b***dy war almost by then. Don't forget almost 23 million Russians died protecting you and me from the Nazi menace."
Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 08, 2022 11:13 AM (yikp0)
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Waters is conveniently overlooking the role Stalin played in starting WWII. Had Stalin not colluded with Germany to partition Poland, WWII might not have started.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 08, 2022 11:15 AM (5pTK/)

I'm reminded of the Menendez brothers, who killed their parents for the inheritance. One joke said that hutzpah is being those brothers and asking the court for mercy, because their now orphans...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 08, 2022 11:19 AM (ynpvh)

106 99 90 cat, meh
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 11:16 AM (LvTSG)

Yeah, Fritz the cat is meh
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 08, 2022 11:18 AM (XvPQV)

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I'll watch that eventually.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 11:19 AM (LvTSG)

107 they're. Damn!

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 08, 2022 11:19 AM (ynpvh)

108 I have concluded that the Marxist left completely understands that none of this phony renewable electrification of the entire energy systems if possible and this most certainly includes automobiles. This failing, they will say is your fault for not trying hard enough, and the solution for your failure will be limit electric cars to the proper people. The rest of you can get around in a cart pulled by your kid. Party like its 1499 again.

Posted by: Lost In Space at August 08, 2022 11:19 AM (FF+On)

109 The race away from fossil fuels is remeniscent of subsidies for low-flow toilets that didn't work.

Posted by: Valiant at August 08, 2022 11:19 AM (cy2xC)

110 It required a separate tanker truck of water to be dispatched to be able to finally extinguish the burning EV.
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In drier, rural areas like where I grew up, this is a constant firefighting problem in general and the solution I have seen most often requires three vehicles:
1. A standard pump truck, to go start responding to the fire
2. A truck containing a big open-air water container, basically a swimming pool on wheels
3. Another pump truck to go to a nearby reservoir (usually a pond) and fill up.

The second pump truck then goes back to the fire and fills up the "swimming pool." When the active pumper on scene runs out of onboard water - if everything has worked properly - it connects up to the "swimming pool" and continues pumping while the second pump truck runs back and forth from the reservoir to the site. This continues until the fire is extinguished.

If EVs require as much water as a house fire to extinguish, then they either need to stop using water and use some other chemicals at likely catastrophic expense and logistical problems, or do something like that.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 11:19 AM (WWh8n)

111 Whenever I write a post about EVs, I get pushback that “the market will decide” about EVs, and that as free market conservatives, we should encourage the competition of EVs



The market decision includes the financial impact of subsidies, which makes the market decision flawed. Anything subsidized has an unfair advantage. If you think EV subsidies are bad, those for windmills approach 33% of the build cost.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 08, 2022 11:20 AM (lTGtQ)

112
Looks like with EV fires you have to go to defensive mode. Don't bother about the primary fire because you can't put it out. Make sure it doesn't spread to surroundings.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 08, 2022 11:20 AM (1Nxff)

113 they threw out thousands of years of the definition of marriage

they threw out thousands of years of gender defintion

they defied thousands of years of accepted economic theory

so tossing out the 120 years of ICE advancement is no problem

yeah, fuck these guys, hard

Posted by: REDACTED at August 08, 2022 11:20 AM (us2H3)

114 Since it's a metal fire, EV fires need a Metal-X extinguisher to put them out. Otherwise it just keeps re-igniting. Water, foam and carbon dioxide are useless.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 08, 2022 11:13 AM (1Nxff)

PKP extinguishers in all the battery compartments...

Posted by: SturmToddler (po3vF) at August 08, 2022 11:20 AM (p03vF)

115 79 ...I'm Tesla-curious...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 08, 2022 11:15 AM (XvPQV)

That's how you get Monkey Pox...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 08, 2022 11:20 AM (ynpvh)

116 Saw some speculation over the weekend that Anne Heche's car was an EV, and that's why it took so long to put out the fire.

From the photos the fire started at the front of the car. Probably she ruptured the high-pressure fuel rail like that recent video where a woman ran a red light, hit someone, and left a Back to the Future-style trail of fire. EVs have the batteries down as low as possible and as central as possible for obvious physics reasons.

Also, keep your eye on the ball. The leading edge progs have moved beyond EVs to "the proletariat can't have private cars", as stated by the WEF.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 08, 2022 11:20 AM (ZGrMX)

117 Those battery fires are wicked. I think most ev owners in my neighborhood park them outside, always.

Posted by: mr tmz at August 08, 2022 11:20 AM (rJ48h)

118 Three charging stops in 600 miles. I would need two in my gas-powered V8 and one in my gas-powered I4. I can fill the tank in about five minutes in either case, total transaction time of maybe 6-7 minutes since you have to fiddle with the pump to pay and all that.

EVs aren't for this. They aren't for long-haul driving and they're not for towing. They're for going really fast (Tesla) or running around town (Nissan Leaf). They have a place if that's what you want, but this is *not* a viable EV use case.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 11:15 AM (WWh8n)
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I have an evil 2-seat sportscar with 400 hp. I get 325+ miles from its 17-gallon tank and that includes a lot of stop-and-go in NYC traffic and some douchey redline runs. I would be pushing 400 miles on a tank if it was more highway and less douche. I really don't understand the hysteria over gas cars. Even the least economical gas cars are now very economical.

Posted by: Elric Blade at August 08, 2022 11:20 AM (iFTx/)

119 I have no faith a ECar will on daily use last more than 5 years.
Saw then looked up a Hybrid Porche is $86,400
Burning money that is

Posted by: Skip's phone at August 08, 2022 11:20 AM (ckjNG)

120 The rest of you can get around in a cart pulled by your kid. Party like its 1499 again.
Posted by: Lost In Space at August 08, 2022 11:19 AM (FF+On)



Urban rickshaws. Seinfeld was prescient.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 08, 2022 11:20 AM (MeDDJ)

121 Had Stalin not colluded with Germany to partition Poland, WWII might not have started.
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Poland shouldn't have been poking the Bear in the '20s; they should have surrendered to the Red Army and avoided all of that bloodshed!

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 08, 2022 11:20 AM (yikp0)

122 My wife parks her car on the street instead of the garage. Cuz the street is closer to the front door than the garage. The garage is a stand alone in the back and takes a solid 26 seconds of walking vs 7 seconds to the street.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 08, 2022 11:20 AM (3vQN0)

123 To which I reply: "When was the last time your regular gas or diesel vehicle caught fire in your own garage?
Now that's *really* isolated --!"
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 08, 2022 11:07 AM (txdEq)

Good point! Most fires of IC-powered vehicles occur after a wreck that spills fuel. Some occur in the course of the vehicle being repaired. Some occur if a fuel line develops a leak while the car is being driven. Practically none occur while the vehicle is sitting unused in a garage.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 08, 2022 11:21 AM (QCyNr)

124 Is she okay? I saw some note on the weekend, possibly here, that she was burned some.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 08, 2022 11:18 AM (txdEq)


Someone in the comments section of Daily Mail said she might lose her feet, but I haven't seen that anywhere else.

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 08, 2022 11:21 AM (DRSnL)

125 imo government does have a role in subsidizing certain thangs ... this is done in multiple ways, usually tax incentives. "Enterprise Zones" to reinvigorate downtowns in smaller cities for instance.

But this is just corruption based on the global warming lies, and we see corruption with the Plandemic lies which forced compliance to the dictators. But the "free market" can do bad things as well. (letting Huawei into our markets would not really make us more free, nor does letting China buy up farmland (next to military bases, so they can install Huawei tech to intercept/jam communications).

We need honest government more than laisez-faire which would gives us even more Corporate Dominance, in the end. But the devil is in the details, and all the devils are here (in NYDC).

Posted by: illiniwek at August 08, 2022 11:21 AM (Cus5s)

126 Whenever I write a post about EVs, I get pushback that “the market will decide” about EVs, and that as free market conservatives, we should encourage the competition of EVs

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FWIW, the market has been deciding the hell out of this for years. EVs can't break 4% of annual new car sales in California, the place where they are in an ideal environment and surrounded by buyers most likely to believe that they should buy one.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Gas demand is below pandemic levels at August 08, 2022 11:21 AM (Vgkya)

127 EV batteries don't explode as long as they are not exposed to air. Once the battery pack has the slightest crack, they ignite. So, outlaw air.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 08, 2022 11:22 AM (lTGtQ)

128 My inability to keep a cell phone charged convinced me it would not be a good idea for me to own an electric vehicle.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at August 08, 2022 11:22 AM (zajeO)

129 127 EV batteries don't explode as long as they are not exposed to air. Once the battery pack has the slightest crack, they ignite. So, outlaw air.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 08, 2022 11:22 AM (lTGtQ)

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Right after nitrogen in dirt.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 11:22 AM (LvTSG)

130 My biggest problem is that EV zealots are taking all the oxygen out of the room and almost all the funding for their 19th century tech and stuff like Hydrogen cars are being choked out despite being better.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 08, 2022 11:23 AM (Ivdso)

131 When we lived in Bakersfield, people were constantly complaining about stuff getting stolen from, and off of, their vehicles, which they had parked in their driveway. Meanwhile, they had a perfectly good two car garage packed full of crap. Hmmm....
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 08, 2022


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If I had a garage in a hot climate, I'd *use it* to protect and keep my car cool. Of course, the idiots here, while they will tint their windows (often too darkly to be able to see at night), they won't park in shade and they won't put up sunshades inside the windows. I'm fine with that; it leaves the (rare) shade for me.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 08, 2022 11:23 AM (txdEq)

132 Come on people. EVs are the future. Dump your buggy whips!

Posted by: Jose Xylophone at August 08, 2022 11:23 AM (63Dwl)

133 What are the maintenence costs? How often do the generators need to be replaced? Yeah, numbers I haven't seen.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 08, 2022 11:18 AM (ynpvh)
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Drive by a wind farm on a breezy day and count how many are *not* spinning. That's your answer about maintenance costs. They're high enough to be not worth it. There are other reasons for stationary windmills, but a lot of the time they're stationary because they're locked up on purpose.

There are plenty of subsidies to put up windmills, but not so much to maintain them and the entire scheme is uneconomic. When a windmill fails - seized bearing, broken blade, broken generator, whatever - they just lock them down to keep them from pinwheeling dangerously. Big operators might periodically cannibalize from on-site to bring some portion of offline windmills back online, but never back to 100% capacity.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 11:23 AM (WWh8n)

134 Musk needs to change over his EV fleet to a Hydrogen fleet. Just say 'my bad' and move on. 😀

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at August 08, 2022 11:23 AM (sWbrH)

135 89 I remember reading magazine articles printed during WWII. They advised that one does not attempt to extinguish burning metal (magnesium incendiary bomb) with water. That just scatters the burning metal, and feeds the fire. Dump sand on it.

Maybe we need sand tankers, pressurized with nitrogen, to fight EV fires?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 08, 2022 11:16 AM (QCyNr)
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Sand may work but: 4Li + SiO2 = Si + 2Li2O
Also nitrogen reacts with lithium. Argon is good.

Posted by: Ciampino - remember those dry powder extinguishers? at August 08, 2022 11:23 AM (qfLjt)

136 Is she okay? I saw some note on the weekend, possibly here, that she was burned some.
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She wasn't okay before the accident.

She's got a history or significant mental issues. Wandering mostly naked through the desert at night, and showing up at a rando's house and asking to watch cable tv, then advising she was a visitor from another planet, named Celestia.

Posted by: Or maybe that's just a typical Friday night for this crowd at August 08, 2022 11:23 AM (XlKKM)

137 And how environmentally friendly is that 3,000 gallons of water tainted with heavy metal lithium?

I'm sure our streams and waterways appreciate that runoff.
Posted by: Scott_T at August 08, 2022 11:10 AM (2waQ7)

Lithium is the lightest metal, FFS. And not really toxic at all.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 08, 2022 11:23 AM (QCyNr)

138
That's how you get Monkey Pox...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 08, 2022 11:20 AM (ynpvh)

Bill Maher had a funny joke Friday.
Biden had his best week ever as President while getting Covid. Upon hearing that Kamala was seen playing with a couching monkey.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 08, 2022 11:23 AM (3vQN0)

139 So what. Just pour more water on the burning EV, right? Well, for that kind of volume you need a fire hydrant, which you’ll not find along interstate highways or rural roadways.

so where are the SAVE THE OCEAN and the CLEAN WATER NOW activists to resist the demorat push for EVs?

Posted by: kallisto at August 08, 2022 11:23 AM (dCxaZ)

140 44 That picture is the reason why the Navy does not allow any of that garbage onboard ships. You literally can't put out the fires from them, you have to just let it burn completely out and then deal with the toxic leftover mess.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 08, 2022 11:09 AM (bVYXr)

You must mean the old unwoke Navy... the New woke navy will be converting all ships to burn at sea.

Posted by: Inogame, non alius regit at August 08, 2022 11:23 AM (53oGX)

141 117 Those battery fires are wicked. I think most ev owners in my neighborhood park them outside, always.
Posted by: mr tmz at August 08, 2022 11:20 AM (rJ48h)


Makes perfect sense. Buy a $60k car and park it where it's exposed to the elements. Why didn't I think of that?

Posted by: creeper at August 08, 2022 11:23 AM (cTCuP)

142 I get pushback that “the market will decide” about EVs, and that as free market conservatives, we should encourage the competition of EVs

I would be fine with that... If the market was deciding, instead of extremely heavy government forcing.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 08, 2022 11:23 AM (Ivdso)

143 Coughing monkey. Fuck auto correct

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 08, 2022 11:23 AM (3vQN0)

144 My wife parks her car on the street instead of the garage. Cuz the street is closer to the front door than the garage. The garage is a stand alone in the back and takes a solid 26 seconds of walking vs 7 seconds to the street.
Posted by: Joe Xiden

Clearly proof of the market deciding something. Now add in a subsidy to park on the street. That is EV cars.

Posted by: Lost In Space at August 08, 2022 11:24 AM (FF+On)

145 To which I reply: "When was the last time your regular gas or diesel vehicle caught fire in your own garage?

Early 2000s F-150s were recalled for doing exactly that. Some GM and Hyundai/Kia cars have since been recalled for the same thing.

In all 3 cases the issues were electrical in nature, so the "EVs have no parts to break down" people get a big LOL.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 08, 2022 11:24 AM (ZGrMX)

146 Progs seriously believe in 'build it, and it will work'

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And its complement: 'destroy it, and I will come.'

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, it gets worse here every day at August 08, 2022 11:24 AM (d4O0p)

147 I'm not a scientist, though I have seen Son Of Flubber.

How/why does metal burn?

Posted by: DB at August 08, 2022 11:24 AM (geLO8)

148 128 My inability to keep a cell phone charged convinced me it would not be a good idea for me to own an electric vehicle.
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This is true.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 08, 2022 11:24 AM (ppL7t)

149 44 That picture is the reason why the Navy does not allow any of that garbage onboard ships. You literally can't put out the fires from them, you have to just let it burn completely out and then deal with the toxic leftover mess.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 08, 2022 11:09 AM (bVYXr)


There are lawsuits brewing over the ground water contamination of military bases due to fire fighting chemicals. If EV's are "required", and these fires are a regular occurrence, I'd bet money the same lawyers are rubbing their hands together over the bank they are going to make.

The poor schlubs killed in the fires or made sick by the contaminants are just collateral damage.

Posted by: Moki at August 08, 2022 11:24 AM (JrN/x)

150 127 EV batteries don't explode as long as they are not exposed to air. Once the battery pack has the slightest crack, they ignite. So, outlaw air.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 08, 2022 11:22 AM (lTGtQ)

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Right after nitrogen in dirt.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 11:22 AM (LvTSG)
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It's probably all the O2 in the air. So outlaw O2 in the air and N2 in the dirt. Solves all the problems!

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 08, 2022 11:24 AM (YIVH2)

151 Since it's a metal fire, EV fires need a Metal-X extinguisher to put them out. Otherwise it just keeps re-igniting. Water, foam and carbon dioxide are useless.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 08, 2022 11:13 AM (1Nxff)

PKP extinguishers in all the battery compartments...

Posted by: SturmToddler (po3vF) at August 08, 2022 11:20 AM


Purple K is corrosive as fvck and will destroy any sort of equipment it is used on, but it will douse petty much any metal fire if you get it there quick enough.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 08, 2022 11:24 AM (bVYXr)

152 115 79 ...I'm Tesla-curious...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 08, 2022 11:15 AM (XvPQV)

try the barrel

there's always something in there that sucks

Posted by: REDACTED at August 08, 2022 11:24 AM (us2H3)

153 Lithium isn't Heavy Metal. That shit was only just barely Grunge.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 08, 2022 11:24 AM (/EuRN)

154 then advising she was a visitor from another planet, named Celestia.

Anne Heche is the nun who taught us in 3rd grade???

Posted by: kallisto at August 08, 2022 11:25 AM (dCxaZ)

155 150 Right after nitrogen in dirt.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 11:22 AM (LvTSG)
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It's probably all the O2 in the air. So outlaw O2 in the air and N2 in the dirt. Solves all the problems!
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 08, 2022 11:24 AM (YIVH2)

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But first, we kill all the lawyers.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 11:25 AM (LvTSG)

156 132 Come on people. EVs are the future. Dump your buggy whips!

Posted by: Jose Xylophone at August 08, 2022 11:23 AM (63Dwl)

Those whips have a valid use.

Posted by: Dr. Fauci, Monkey Pox Expert at August 08, 2022 11:25 AM (ynpvh)

157 Has anyone been developing a perpetual motion engine for cars?

Cold fusion engine?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at August 08, 2022 11:25 AM (zajeO)

158 there's always something in there that sucks
Posted by: REDACTED at August 08, 2022 11:24 AM (us2H3)

Definitely shocking, at any rate.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 08, 2022 11:25 AM (/EuRN)

159 Waters is conveniently overlooking the role Stalin played in starting WWII. Had Stalin not colluded with Germany to partition Poland, WWII might not have started.

I don't know if Waters is a commie, but in an industry full of commies it's hardly surprising that someone from that industry would excuse or overlook Stalin's part in starting the war.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com - Email for morons. at August 08, 2022 11:25 AM (Bd6X8)

160 Electric Vehicles are not going anywhere. They will continue to ram it down our throats. The "market" isn't going to determine shit. You have our government and states subsidizing everything top to bottom that has anything to do green energy. From lithium extraction in the Salton Sea to nuclear power plants being built around the country.......oh and have no doubt, nuclear power plants are coming and you are going to see the biggest 180 degree flip by the greenies on that. Who's in on this? The lefts favorite billionaires Bill Gates and Warren Buffet. Gates with vaccines, farmland purchasing, building nukes. Buffet controlling transportation of oil through BNSF and funding opposition to Keystone and working with Gates of course with these natrium nukes and lithium extraction in CA, Salton Sea. Of course the lithium will be sent over to "Asia"(China) for battery production. I wonder how much of this current lefty spending g bill went to Joe Manchin since he's all in on nuclear plant stuff. He has a lot tied up in legislation sponsored by a few Repubs I've never heard of with nuclear power.

Posted by: JROD at August 08, 2022 11:25 AM (0jZnq)

161 I think all along this pushing ECars is homage to the Gaia Religion, it's the new State Religion.
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Posted by: Skip's phone at August 08, 2022 11:25 AM (ckjNG)

162 Looking at that top photo, say what you may about the Tesla, that is one iconic front end!!

Posted by: Muldoon at August 08, 2022 11:25 AM (kXYt5)

163 EV go home!

Posted by: Eddie Torres, the Extra Testicle at August 08, 2022 11:25 AM (3Or4S)

164 157 Has anyone been developing a perpetual motion engine for cars?

Cold fusion engine?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at August 08, 2022 11:25 AM (zajeO)

Just drive them downhill all the time.

Posted by: AOC at August 08, 2022 11:25 AM (ynpvh)

165 It's not just EVs. My son works in underwater construction, and he tells me that his company is bidding for contracts to work on wind farms on the east coast. The junta is putting the pedal to the metal on "renewables", despite the fact that the technology is highly inefficient and massively polluting. I see good times ahead ... not.
Posted by: Nemo at August 08, 2022 11:14 AM (S6ArX)

Look on the bright side. at least when those windmills come apart catastrophically, they'll be in the middle of the ocean and only pollute the waters...

Posted by: SturmToddler (po3vF) at August 08, 2022 11:25 AM (p03vF)

166 So outlaw O2 in the air and N2 in the dirt.

Clearly its the 2 that is the issue. Outlaw 2

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 08, 2022 11:25 AM (Ivdso)

167 I’ve seen the non working wind mills as well. In a really windy area it always seems to be at least 20% of the windmills don’t spin. Which means they must break often or they sit unfixed for a long time.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 08, 2022 11:25 AM (3vQN0)

168 Those whips have a valid use.
Posted by: Dr. Fauci, Monkey Pox Expert at August 08, 2022 11:25 AM (ynpvh)

Settle down, there, Mapplethorpe.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 08, 2022 11:25 AM (/EuRN)

169 That's it! We're going to have to plumb our highways.

Posted by: creeper at August 08, 2022 11:25 AM (cTCuP)

170 147 I'm not a scientist, though I have seen Son Of Flubber.

How/why does metal burn?
Posted by: DB at August 08, 2022 11:24 AM (geLO

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It doesn't! Google it!!

Posted by: Rosie O'D at August 08, 2022 11:26 AM (RFKzk)

171 How/why does metal burn?
Posted by: DB at August 08, 2022 11:24 AM (geLO



It is high speed rusting.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 08, 2022 11:26 AM (MeDDJ)

172 166 So outlaw O2 in the air and N2 in the dirt.

Clearly its the 2 that is the issue. Outlaw 2
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 08, 2022 11:25 AM (Ivdso)

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2 2's is 4. The worst of all 2s.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 11:26 AM (LvTSG)

173 Poland shouldn't have been poking the Bear in the '20s; they should have surrendered to the Red Army and avoided all of that bloodshed!
Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 08, 2022 11:20 AM (yikp0)

Illogical comparison snark .

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at August 08, 2022 11:26 AM (sWbrH)

174 Is she okay? I saw some note on the weekend, possibly here, that she was burned some.

The latest report I saw said she had serious burns. Also that she had a bottle of vodka in the cupholder. That's taking the HQ lifestyle a little too far.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 08, 2022 11:26 AM (ZGrMX)

175 Meanwhile, they had a perfectly good two car garage packed full of crap. Hmmm....

The "Texas Basement"

70k of veghicles in the driveway, $700 of crap in the garage

Posted by: brak at August 08, 2022 11:26 AM (j5Tg0)

176 EVs allegedly stop the global "climate change' but deplete the water supply.

stoopid leftoid fvcktards

It's not about the environment anyway, it's all about the grift

Posted by: kallisto at August 08, 2022 11:26 AM (dCxaZ)

177 "Everything burns."
-The overall lesson of Fritz Lang's German films

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 11:26 AM (LvTSG)

178 If EVs require as much water as a house fire to extinguish, then they either need to stop using water and use some other chemicals at likely catastrophic expense and logistical problems, or do something like that.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 11:19 AM (WWh8n)

No fossil fuel powered pump or other trucks to extinguish the fire. Enjoy the warm glow of your green energy.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 08, 2022 11:26 AM (U3uv2)

179 This explains a sight I saw last summer in OHio. A tesla, towing a small Airstream trailer, and it had Arizona plates. It was on a residential street in traffic. I boggled at what they must have gone through and how long the trip must have taken to keep stopping to charge.

I wonder if they were looking for a charging station . . .

Posted by: When engineering types engage in magical thinking at August 08, 2022 11:26 AM (RxKS+)

180 Pretty sure battery fires are class D fires and water shouldn't be used.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 08, 2022 11:27 AM (UuD2k)

181 Since the market failed to decide in favor of EVs in all use cases even with the government's thumb on the scale
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

The government has its entire, fat, bloated ass on the scale. And it's still insufficient.

Posted by: quantum mechanic at August 08, 2022 11:27 AM (vcv8B)

182 >>so where are the SAVE THE OCEAN and the CLEAN WATER NOW activists to resist the demorat push for EVs?

Anyone who spends the time to research the effect on the environment from EVs ad opposed to IC vehicles knows this has nothing to do with the environment.

This is all part of weakening the west and specifically the US and empowering China.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2022 11:27 AM (ZLI7S)

183 So we don't have any global warming or control over the climate, but we'll deplete our water supply. That's pretty clever.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Gas demand is below pandemic levels at August 08, 2022 11:27 AM (Vgkya)

184 Looking at that top photo, say what you may about the Tesla, that is one iconic front end!!

The pictured car isn't a Tesla. I think that's a Jaguar grill.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 08, 2022 11:27 AM (ZGrMX)

185 In the long sad history of bad ideas, incentivizing the mass adoption of electric cars, before the technology was safe, and the infrastructure in place, is almost but not quite as bad as forcing banks to make housing loans to unqualified buyers.
Posted by: YMMV


People try to equate horse and buggy with vehicles. Horse and buggy wasn't outlawed. It was a gradual change over. People still used horse and wagon/buggy long after cars became commonplace.
There was no fictitious date and then poof! No more horses.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 08, 2022 11:27 AM (j+4+t)

186 We just need to transition to a society which accepts electrical fire infernos.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 08, 2022 11:27 AM (R8uWY)

187 I’m being forced to subsidize them with $7,500 taxpayer-funded credits to EV buyers. If I shouldn’t have to subsidize your Rolex or Gucci bag, why should I subsidize your status-symbol car?
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Tragically, the argument is degrees of tyranny instead of a binary argument of "no tyranny" vs "yes tyranny".

Stop all the federal subsidies and then we don't have to play stupid games while enjoying all the stupid prizes we receive.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at August 08, 2022 11:27 AM (Y206u)

188 Makes perfect sense. Buy a $60k car and park it where it's exposed to the elements. Why didn't I think of that?

Posted by: creeper at August 08, 2022 11:23 AM (cTCuP)

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"You can't put a price on virtue-signaling!"

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, it gets worse here every day at August 08, 2022 11:27 AM (d4O0p)

189 She wasn't okay before the accident.

She's got a history or significant mental issues. Wandering mostly naked through the desert at night, and showing up at a rando's house and asking to watch cable tv, then advising she was a visitor from another planet, named Celestia.

Posted by: Or maybe that's just a typical Friday night for this crowd at August 08, 2022


***
That's (theoretically) fixable or controllable, maybe with meds (though I hate to think that's the answer). Having your face burned off is not.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 08, 2022 11:28 AM (txdEq)

190 What is the carbon footprint of a burning EV?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 08, 2022 11:28 AM (R8uWY)

191 Anyone who spends the time to research the effect on the environment from EVs ad opposed to IC vehicles knows this has nothing to do with the environment.

This is all part of weakening the west and specifically the US and empowering China.


Not even that. WEF came out and stated the goal is to simply eliminate private ownership of cars, so that experts can decide when and where you travel.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 08, 2022 11:28 AM (ZGrMX)

192 Makes perfect sense. Buy a $60k car and park it where it's exposed to the elements. Why didn't I think of that?

Posted by: creeper at August 08, 2022 11:23 AM (cTCuP)

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"You also can't put a high-enough price on public in-your-face virtue-signaling!"

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, it gets worse here every day at August 08, 2022 11:28 AM (d4O0p)

193 The pictured car isn't a Tesla. I think that's a Jaguar grill.

*

Imagine some dumbass buying a British electric car.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Gas demand is below pandemic levels at August 08, 2022 11:28 AM (Vgkya)

194 190 What is the carbon footprint of a burning EV?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 08, 2022 11:28 AM (R8uWY)

It's Green...

Posted by: Scotty at August 08, 2022 11:29 AM (ynpvh)

195 The whole point is to restrict freedom of
movement.

Stay in your assigned hovel/enclave, serf.

Posted by: Cranky J Anne at August 08, 2022 11:29 AM (YZH5A)

196 Waters is absolutely right about the start of the war in Ukraine and then goes off the rails as alway.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2022 11:18 AM (ZLI7S)

He's like an unbalanced rotating mass. It's okay at startup and slow speed but let him get spooled up and it's shit city.

Eee's a kook.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 08, 2022 11:29 AM (MFphb)

197 "EV super-fanboys aren’t content to simply drive their EVs, they want to outlaw the gasoline-powered vehicles that the rest of us choose to drive, and force us to drive EVs."

Like the Vegans I know. I expect a Venn Diagram of the two sets would form a near-perfect circle.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at August 08, 2022 11:29 AM (906pl)

198 Waters is conveniently overlooking the role Stalin played in starting WWII. Had Stalin not colluded with Germany to partition Poland, WWII might not have started.

I don't know if Waters is a commie, but in an industry full of commies it's hardly surprising that someone from that industry would excuse or overlook Stalin's part in starting the war.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com - Email for morons. at August 08, 2022 11:25 AM (Bd6X

That we rewarded Stalin for that forgotten part of history just emboldened him even more. Like Obama was doing our post war negotiations.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at August 08, 2022 11:29 AM (sWbrH)

199 141 117 Those battery fires are wicked. I think most ev owners in my neighborhood park them outside, always.
Posted by: mr tmz at August 08, 2022 11:20 AM (rJ48h)

Makes perfect sense. Buy a $60k car and park it where it's exposed to the elements. Why didn't I think of that?

Posted by: creeper
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Home insurance companies are getting antsy about EV's parked in garages and might well exclude people doing that from coverage or require separated garages. Dunno how a lithium battery fire stacks up against the required fire rated sheet rock for garages but probably not well.

Posted by: whig at August 08, 2022 11:29 AM (CXr4y)

200 The front tires on the wreck in the top picture are still intact. Modern tires are remarkable.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 11:29 AM (WWh8n)

201 Couple of EVs in my second home's suburban neighborhood. This is the kinda place where EVs make most "sense" in that you can charge at home and these households are affluent enough that the EV is always a second car (the first car is almost invariably an SUV) for runabout duty. Thing is, every time I see them in the driveway, they are hooked up to the charger. Even in the best of circumstances, you are still required to charge the fucking thing up nearly every time you get home.

Posted by: Elric Blade at August 08, 2022 11:29 AM (iFTx/)

202 "some speculation over the weekend that Anne Heche's car was an EV"
the video of her speeding off from the garage she hit (before the house) have pretty loud engine noise ...

Posted by: illiniwek at August 08, 2022 11:29 AM (Cus5s)

203 I don't know if Waters is a commie,
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He's a British lefty. Totes a commie.

Posted by: The More You Know at August 08, 2022 11:30 AM (oEgLo)

204 Imagine some dumbass buying a British electric car.

Yeah, high voltage plus British wiring. What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: Ian S. at August 08, 2022 11:30 AM (ZGrMX)

205 172 166 So outlaw O2 in the air and N2 in the dirt.

Clearly its the 2 that is the issue. Outlaw 2
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 08, 2022 11:25 AM (Ivdso)

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2 2's is 4. The worst of all 2s.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 11:26 AM (LvTSG)

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Half of all integers are evenly divisible by 2. No number should have that kind of power

Posted by: No One of Consequence at August 08, 2022 11:30 AM (RFKzk)

206 Watched 2 videos on drag racing with a gasoline VS a ECar, first video ECar won 3 races straight but not sure of gasoline car make.
2nd video was a McLaren and ECar barely won first two races, 3rd race a large Black guy who had to be 250 pounds was the ECar passenger and the McLaren won.

Posted by: Skip's phone at August 08, 2022 11:30 AM (ckjNG)

207 There are plenty of subsidies to put up windmills, but not so much to maintain them and the entire scheme is uneconomic. When a windmill fails - seized bearing, broken blade, broken generator, whatever - they just lock them down to keep them from pinwheeling dangerously. Big operators might periodically cannibalize from on-site to bring some portion of offline windmills back online, but never back to 100% capacity.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 11:23 AM


There is an outfit that "disposes" of windmill blades and parts. I see them constantly driving west on US 82 here in NE Texas heading to a big dump in Wyoming. Turns out those blades can't be recycled so they just dump them all in a big canyon and cover them up with dirt.


I almost always see them trucks three at a time driving with a front and back with escort cars. Those suckers are long.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 08, 2022 11:30 AM (bVYXr)

208 EV batteries don't explode as long as they are not exposed to air. Once the battery pack has the slightest crack, they ignite. So, outlaw air.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 08, 2022 11:22 AM (lTGtQ)

. . . for EV proponents.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 08, 2022 11:30 AM (U3uv2)

209 Imagine some dumbass buying a British electric car.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Gas demand is below pandemic levels at August 08, 2022 11:28 AM (Vgkya)

As long as it's not built by Lucas, the prince of darkness, it's likely to be only as dangerous as the rest of the EV world. /s

Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 08, 2022 11:30 AM (MFphb)

210 If I shouldn’t have to subsidize your Rolex or Gucci bag, why should I subsidize your status-symbol car?

You can get a low-end electric car (after massive subsidies and rebates etc) for pretty cheap. That's not where the cost really comes in. I mean forcing everyone at gunpoint to help pay for your car is immoral to begin with, and that's a societal cost, but that's not what I mean.

In a few years you'll need to replace that entire battery pack which will set you back half the cost of your car to begin with.

I mean, its expensive to replace a motor and transmission, but they're so durable and reliable now you don't need to do that for decades, unless you're drifting your car or constantly doing burnouts or towing heavy stuff beyond the rating of your axel.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 08, 2022 11:30 AM (Ivdso)

211 Then there was the problem of whether or not all of the chargers at a given location were even functional. At one EA station…two of four chargers were completely inoperable and a third was reduced to just 50 kW.
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Sigh. The chargers were inoperative, not inoperable. I mean, they might have been inoperable, too, but this guy was in no position to make that assessment.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 11:30 AM (WWh8n)

212
oh and have no doubt, nuclear power plants are coming and you are going to see the biggest 180 degree flip by the greenies on that.

I'll believe that when and if I see it.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 08, 2022 11:31 AM (63Dwl)

213 What are you whining about peasants? *sniffs*. My Tesla gets me and my designer doggie to the hamptons with no problem.

Posted by: YOur betters. at August 08, 2022 11:31 AM (Ed8Zd)

214 Looking at that top photo, say what you may about the Tesla, that is one iconic front end!!
Posted by: Muldoon at August 08, 2022 11:25 AM (kXYt5)


I have always said this about Sophia Loren as well.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 08, 2022 11:31 AM (anj39)

215 If you want a car with a battery get a hybrid. They run off a battery when driving around town less than 35 mph and then switch over to gas when speed > 35 mph. Overall gas mileage usually runs 40+ average.

Posted by: vic /s at August 08, 2022 11:31 AM (mZwKe)

216 It is suck bullshit that I have to subsidize people buying EVs!!!!

- people taking full advantage of the mortgage interest deduction and child tax credit, paid for by single, childless renters.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 08, 2022 11:31 AM (3vQN0)

217 Lol. Chevy got its' learni ' from Fauci - 'take this jab. It is free if you sign this waiver not to sue' Oh, wait. The right to sue has already been legislated out. Nevermind.

Posted by: Eddie Torres, the Extra Testicle at August 08, 2022 11:31 AM (3Or4S)

218 The pictured car isn't a Tesla. I think that's a Jaguar grill.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 08, 2022


***
Right; Teslas don't have a front grill at all. The nose is smooth and featureless, as if it's wearing . . .

. . . a mask!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 08, 2022 11:31 AM (txdEq)

219 196 Waters is absolutely right about the start of the war in Ukraine and then goes off the rails as alway.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2022 11:18 AM (ZLI7S)

He's like an unbalanced rotating mass. It's okay at startup and slow speed but let him get spooled up and it's shit city.

Eee's a kook.

Posted by: OneEyedJack
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Waters is stuck in WWII forever due to what happened to his father in that war. His father died, an apparent hero, at Anzio.

Posted by: whig at August 08, 2022 11:31 AM (CXr4y)

220 193 The pictured car isn't a Tesla. I think that's a Jaguar grill.

*

Imagine some dumbass buying a British electric car.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Gas demand is below pandemic levels at August 08, 2022 11:28 AM (Vgkya)
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That's a Jag I-Pace and its built in Austria. But otherwise I agree . . . .

Posted by: Elric Blade at August 08, 2022 11:31 AM (iFTx/)

221
2 2's is 4. The worst of all 2s.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 11:26 AM (LvTSG)

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Half of all integers are evenly divisible by 2. No number should have that kind of power


There's that math thing again. I thought we agreed there would be no math on the blog???

Posted by: Moki at August 08, 2022 11:32 AM (JrN/x)

222 The front tires on the wreck in the top picture are still intact. Modern tires are remarkable.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

*

Well duh. It's an electrical fire.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Gas demand is below pandemic levels at August 08, 2022 11:32 AM (Vgkya)

223 He's like an unbalanced rotating mass. It's okay at startup and slow speed but let him get spooled up and it's shit city.

Eee's a kook.
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Eccentric, dear boy.

Posted by: Putting things, Just So at August 08, 2022 11:32 AM (261c5)

224 The pictured car isn't a Tesla. I think that's a Jaguar grill.

Right you are! https://bit.ly/3vND9NO

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com - Email for morons. at August 08, 2022 11:32 AM (Bd6X8)

225 What are you whining about peasants? *sniffs*. My Tesla gets me and my designer doggie to the hamptons with no problem.
Posted by: YOur betters. at August 08, 2022


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That's because you're already *in* the Hamptons.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 08, 2022 11:32 AM (txdEq)

226 The obvious next step is enhanced Building Code legislation to make all in-house garages impregnable fire-proof vaults, in case an electric vehicle is ever parked there.

All properties must be renovated to adhere to the new Code before they can be sold. All building contractors must pay a yearly Remediation Licensing Fee and attend at least 100 hours of Remediation/Diversity training to keep their licensing current.

If It Saves One Life (tm)

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 08, 2022 11:32 AM (/EuRN)

227 That's a Jag I-Pace and its built in Austria. But otherwise I agree . . . .

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I haven't kept up but I think they're owned by dot-Indians these days, too.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Gas demand is below pandemic levels at August 08, 2022 11:33 AM (Vgkya)

228 Imagine some dumbass buying a British electric car.

Brits are great at designing really attractive cars that run some of the time. Supposedly the reliability of British brands has increased over the years, but... almost none of them are made in England or owned by English companies. All of the survivors got bought except Morgan.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 08, 2022 11:33 AM (Ivdso)

229 205 Half of all integers are evenly divisible by 2. No number should have that kind of power

Posted by: No One of Consequence at August 08, 2022 11:30 AM (RFKzk)

Wholly divisible? I mean, I can evenly divide 7 into 3.5 and 3.5...

Posted by: Scotty at August 08, 2022 11:33 AM (ynpvh)

230 Here's a quality 2 of something right here in the bonus, early Daily Daddario:

https://tinyurl.com/bdheju7r

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 11:33 AM (LvTSG)

231 no one needs an assault vehicle.

maybe we can get a tax credit for buying a bicycle.

Posted by: mallfly the peach of Hoboken at August 08, 2022 11:33 AM (Ynyl9)

232 Have meth heads figured out how to pull the cables from chargers for the copper yet?

Posted by: Eddie Torres, the Extra Testicle at August 08, 2022 11:33 AM (3Or4S)

233 British cars are no longer British. Land Rover, Jaguar and Mini are all owned by non Brit companies.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 08, 2022 11:33 AM (3vQN0)

234 How about learning to live without a vehicle? Move to the city where there are more transportation options. It's not rocket science.

Posted by: Sid at August 08, 2022 11:33 AM (n8wau)

235 Half of all integers are evenly divisible by 2. No number should have that kind of power
Posted by: No One of Consequence


Amateur

Posted by: 1 at August 08, 2022 11:33 AM (vcv8B)

236 Fritz Lang would have made a good Batman movie.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 08, 2022 11:33 AM (44ww/)

237 >>Pretty sure battery fires are class D fires and water shouldn't be used.

The problem with lithium ion battery fires is the high heat caused by thermal runaway which becomes a self-sustaining feature for the thermal runaway. The best practice to date is cooling the batteries as much as possible which is the reason for the water.

There's a chance I might be a part of a major ESS fire fighting project with a major east coast fire department this fall. They really don't have good answers to this problem yet.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2022 11:33 AM (ZLI7S)

238 EV people are in a cult and totally brainwashed

Posted by: Yo! Ultra MAGA at August 08, 2022 11:33 AM (iKbSe)

239
"Thank God the Russians had already won the b***dy war almost by then. Don't forget almost 23 million Russians died protecting you and me from the Nazi menace."
Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 08, 2022 11:13 AM (yikp0)

_________

In 1939, the Red Army was the largest in Europe. The US had an army around the size of Portugal's. No real air force. A badly balanced navy. No shipping, no defense industry. Obsolete equipment, obsolete officers, obsolete doctrines. But in the end the peak strength of the Soviet and American armed forces were similar.

What would have happened if we had not sent any Lend-Lease to Russia?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 08, 2022 11:33 AM (1Nxff)

240 Wait until there are electric Semis.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 08, 2022 11:33 AM (R8uWY)

241 236 Fritz Lang would have made a good Batman movie.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 08, 2022 11:33 AM (44ww/)

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Yes, in more ways than you realize, I suspect.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 11:33 AM (LvTSG)

242 Thankfully British car jokes will always be British car jokes.

Same as electric car jokes, now that I think about it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Gas demand is below pandemic levels at August 08, 2022 11:33 AM (Vgkya)

243 The memo has gone out. It's no longer the inflation reduction bill. Now it's the health, climate, and taxes bill.

https://bit.ly/3St4jn3

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Summer of Our Discontent n at August 08, 2022 11:34 AM (FVME7)

244 There is an outfit that "disposes" of windmill blades and parts. I see them constantly driving west on US 82 here in NE Texas heading to a big dump in Wyoming. Turns out those blades can't be recycled so they just dump them all in a big canyon and cover them up with dirt.

I almost always see them trucks three at a time driving with a front and back with escort cars. Those suckers are long.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 08, 2022 11:30 AM (bVYXr)
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Why? I have seen the windmill blade transport truck convoys, but they were wrapped and moving out to a wind farm for installation. Why go through all that for something you're throwing away? Why not chop them into quarters or thirds and load them up like logs onto standard trucks? Even if you have to rent costly equipment to do that, it's probably cheaper to accumulate spent blades on-site until you have enough of them to justify that kind of approach rather than paying for specialty transport to the dump.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 11:34 AM (WWh8n)

245 I assume Li batteries make LiOH when they burn, so when you extinguish them with water, the alkali goes into the sewer. Unexpected benefit: it helps melt the fatbergs.

Posted by: In Case Of gp, Break Glass at August 08, 2022 11:34 AM (qpX6U)

246 What are you whining about peasants? *sniffs*. My Tesla gets me and my designer doggie to the hamptons with no problem.
Posted by: YOur betters. at August 08, 2022 11:31 AM (Ed8Zd)
***

*Sniffs even more*
I don't drive a gasoline vehicle. I can't help it if my chauffeur does.

Posted by: Your Even Better Betters at August 08, 2022 11:34 AM (anj39)

247 Mandating EV ownership is a good way to limit your citizens ability to move about.

Posted by: Kim Jong Un at August 08, 2022 11:34 AM (9FBGz)

248 How about learning to live without a vehicle? Move to the city where there are more transportation options. It's not rocket science.
Posted by: Sid at August 08, 2022 11:33 AM (n8wau)



How about sucking my dick?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 08, 2022 11:34 AM (MeDDJ)

249 >>How about learning to live without a vehicle? Move to the city where there are more transportation options. It's not rocket science.

How about you kiss my ass, dummy. I'll live wherever I damn well please and it won't be in a Democrat run shithole.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2022 11:34 AM (ZLI7S)

250 people taking full advantage of the mortgage interest deduction and child tax credit, paid for by single, childless renters.
Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 08, 2022 11:31 AM (3vQN0)

Another illogical comparison.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at August 08, 2022 11:34 AM (sWbrH)

251 If It Saves One Life (tm)
Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 08, 2022 11:32 AM (/EuRN)


Don't give them any ideas. Because I could totally see that happening.

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 08, 2022 11:34 AM (DRSnL)

252 No fossil fuel powered pump or other trucks to extinguish the fire. Enjoy the warm glow of your green energy.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 08, 2022 11:26 AM (U3uv2)

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Imagine if you will, a system of fefetally-subsidized hyperloop tunnels running underneath the entire United States to provide the water necessary to put out EV fires Nationwide!

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, it gets worse here every day at August 08, 2022 11:34 AM (dr1Vw)

253 oh and have no doubt, nuclear power plants are coming and you are going to see the biggest 180 degree flip by the greenies on that.

I would love to believe this but every time someone tries to build a nuke, the people living nearby freak out and block it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 08, 2022 11:34 AM (Ivdso)

254
Question for the gearheads here. Would diesel-electric work in long-haul trucks?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 08, 2022 11:35 AM (1Nxff)

255 Steam is the future !

Posted by: Maj. Healey at August 08, 2022 11:35 AM (m7R0k)

256 If you want a car with a battery get a hybrid. They run off a battery when driving around town less than 35 mph and then switch over to gas when speed > 35 mph. Overall gas mileage usually runs 40+ average.

Posted by: vic /s at August 08, 2022 11:31 A


The wife had a Ford Fusion Hybrid and we loved it. Great gas mileage and plenty of power but when it got to about 75,000 miles it lost over half of it's value due to battery age issues. Turns out it would have cost close to $10,000 to replace the battery which Ford recommended before 100,000 miles due to degraded battery performance issues.


We took the loss and traded it in on a Honda CR-V.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 08, 2022 11:35 AM (bVYXr)

257 Wait until there are electric Semis.

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It will be interesting to see if they're required to have hazardous placarding for the batteries used for locomotion same as if they were transporting the exact same batteries as cargo.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Gas demand is below pandemic levels at August 08, 2022 11:35 AM (Vgkya)

258 And Sid drops another turd of non-reasoning.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com - Email for morons. at August 08, 2022 11:35 AM (Bd6X8)

259 How/why does metal burn?
Posted by: DB at August 08, 2022 11:24 AM (geLO

Because most metals, energy-wise, would prefer to be one of their oxides than in the free state.

Get a puff of very fine steel wool. And a Bic lighter. See what happens. Fire can burn steel!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 08, 2022 11:35 AM (QCyNr)

260 Imagine some dumbass buying a British electric car.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Gas demand is below pandemic levels at August 08, 2022 11:28 AM (Vgkya)

Lucas, bumper to bumper.

Posted by: BignJames at August 08, 2022 11:35 AM (AwYPR)

261 Every leftist/communist idea results in death and destruction. Can they not come up with one notion that isn't detrimental to the earth and the inhabitants thereon?

Every day I'm sick of these folx.

Posted by: Miss Issippi at August 08, 2022 11:35 AM (sI15f)

262 In a really windy area it always seems to be at least 20% of the windmills don’t spin. Which means they must break often or they sit unfixed for a long time.

Posted by: Joe Xiden



There is a subsidy for putting them up. There is no subsidy to maintain them.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 08, 2022 11:35 AM (lTGtQ)

263 This leggy blonde in a red dress doesn't own an EV, but thinks a Tesla would be fun be to drive around:
https://is.gd/KSvUKd

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 11:35 AM (WWh8n)

264 If you think EV owners are having difficulty fueling up, wait until gas stations start closing.

Posted by: Kim Jong Un at August 08, 2022 11:35 AM (9FBGz)

265 Thankfully British car jokes will always be British car jokes.

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Didja see that Anne Heche was driving a Mini Cooper?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Summer of Our Discontent n at August 08, 2022 11:36 AM (FVME7)

266 *fefetally is the covfefe version of federally

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, it gets worse here every day at August 08, 2022 11:36 AM (dr1Vw)

267 How about learning to live without a vehicle?

*

(looks at boat trailer)

(nods, flexes big ol' biceps)

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Gas demand is below pandemic levels at August 08, 2022 11:36 AM (Vgkya)

268 Yes, absolutely, subsidies are bad.
Every fricking thing is subsidized.
Everything is bad.

Posted by: In Case Of gp, Break Glass at August 08, 2022 11:36 AM (qpX6U)

269 33 man, i do so love a story with a happy ending. more and ore car-b-ques is the answer.

Posted by: SturmToddler (po3vF) at August 08, 2022 11:07 AM (p03vF)
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Instead of car-b-ques can these EVs be sous-vide ?

Posted by: Ciampino - or baine-marie at August 08, 2022 11:36 AM (qfLjt)

270 216 It is suck bullshit that I have to subsidize people buying EVs!!!!

- people taking full advantage of the mortgage interest deduction and child tax credit, paid for by single, childless renters.

Posted by: Joe Xiden
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Due to Trump's reforms, the number of people taking the mortgage interest deduction has declined (decline in mortgage rates also had an effect). The child tax credit is quite another thing but is based on the idea that those children will grow up and keep Social Security going or some such rot. The French system is even more generous in subsidizing children and has modest success in keeping the French birth rate higher than most of Western Europe.

Posted by: whig at August 08, 2022 11:36 AM (CXr4y)

271 you have enough of them to justify that kind of approach rather than paying for specialty transport to the dump.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 11:34 AM (WWh8n)

My guess is that somebody knows a guy who knows a guy who's a hell of a great guy. (wink wink)

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 08, 2022 11:36 AM (/EuRN)

272 The costs of owning and operating ONE EV seem pretty astronomical...

How does a family own two or even three of these? Mom and dad both need separate vehicles to go to their jobs. Maybe dad has a truck that is used for family travel (vacations, ballgames, etc.) while mom has a sedan for errands and smaller chores (groceries, bank runs, etc.). Then their teenage kids might need a vehicle...

Can a family on a median income afford multiple EVs for their daily use?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 08, 2022 11:36 AM (YIVH2)

273 How about learning to live without a vehicle? Move to the city where there are more transportation options. It's not rocket science.
Posted by: Sid at August 08,


Exactly. Sid gets it The problem isn’t the cars, it’s you rubes who insist in living far from the urban culture we insist that you enjoy. And why would anyone drive long distances? That’s what private planes are for. *sniffs haughtily *

Posted by: YOur betters. at August 08, 2022 11:36 AM (Ed8Zd)

274 What is the carbon footprint of a burning EV? Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy

There is a disturbance in sector 7.2. Armed drone deployment with social credit score reduction with prejudice is authorized.

Posted by: Lost In Space at August 08, 2022 11:36 AM (FF+On)

275 240 Wait until there are electric Semis.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 08, 2022 11:33 AM (R8uWY)

Hope the semis carrying mashmallows, graham crackers, and chocolate all catch fire together?

Posted by: Scotty at August 08, 2022 11:36 AM (ynpvh)

276 Any bets on when insurance companies start adding surcharges to EV owners? If the "bursts into flame while sitting still" problem is real and meaningful, the insurance companies are going to stick it to EV owners.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 11:36 AM (WWh8n)

277 Euro Heaven: British car designers, German Car engineers, Italian lovers, French chefs, Swiss Administrators

Euro Hell: British car engineers, Swiss chefs, French car designers, German Lovers, Italian administrators

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 08, 2022 11:36 AM (3vQN0)

278
Imagine some dumbass buying a British electric car.

_________

"All parts falling off this car are of the finest British workmanship"

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 08, 2022 11:37 AM (1Nxff)

279 Every leftist/communist idea results in death and destruction.

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Not a bug, a feature.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Summer of Our Discontent n at August 08, 2022 11:37 AM (FVME7)

280
224 The pictured car isn't a Tesla. I think that's a Jaguar grill.


The tip-off was hidden insidiously in the content, where Buck knew no one would look.


Jaguar I-Pace catches on fire again -- is this another Bolt EV battery fire situation? [Elektrek -- 8/01/2022] (A picture of this car is at the top of this post, under the headline.)

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at August 08, 2022 11:37 AM (zajeO)

281 Didja see that Anne Heche was driving a Mini Cooper?

*

(slaps $10 on table)

Electric. Who'll bet against me?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Gas demand is below pandemic levels at August 08, 2022 11:37 AM (Vgkya)

282 For every EV horror story there's an EVangelical who refuses to look beyond their 15 mile a day "commute" from their tony condo to their "studio" where they product TicTok vids all day.

Hell, even my local electric CO-OP has warned about the dangers of the batteries and the inability of the grid to support the massive amount of power needed to recharge these things.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 08, 2022 11:37 AM (BFigT)

283 How about learning to live without a vehicle? Move to the city where there are more transportation options. It's not rocket science.
Posted by: Sid at August 08, 2022 11:33 AM (n8wau)

We agree. Mucho gracias,

Posted by: Bussed illegals at August 08, 2022 11:38 AM (sWbrH)

284 EVs are proof there are a lot of stoopid folks out there with money.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 08, 2022 11:38 AM (2CExO)

285 Question for the gearheads here. Would diesel-electric work in long-haul trucks?
Posted by: Hadrian

If it could they would be doing it. Probably too unreliable for a machine that drives a million miles.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 08, 2022 11:38 AM (R8uWY)

286 Los Angeles became the first (I think) city in the US to buy an electric fire truck. Imagine the hilarity if that thing goes up in flames.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2022 11:38 AM (ZLI7S)

287 @206 Skip-From a dig them electric cars are hard to beat. The high torque they produce is smooth. By the time a fuel burner gets their tires hooked up the EV is long gone or enough of a lead the other vehicle can't overcome the deficit. In some regards EV's are cool. Already rolling/rolling starts is another thing though.

Posted by: JROD at August 08, 2022 11:38 AM (0jZnq)

288 So how do six day fires factor into emission calculations? Is it per year or per thousand cars or similar?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Gas demand is below pandemic levels at August 08, 2022 11:38 AM (Vgkya)

289 Any bets on when insurance companies start adding surcharges to EV owners? If the "bursts into flame while sitting still" problem is real and meaningful, the insurance companies are going to stick it to EV owners.

and then we'll get the "EV Insurance Tax Credit"

Posted by: brak at August 08, 2022 11:38 AM (j5Tg0)

290 There's a reason why household electricity is limited to 240 VAC with 120 VAC being most common.

As the voltage rises, using "plugs" quickly stops being an option. The average person handling high voltage equipment is going to cause some fires.

Charging large batteries requires constant monitoring of the batteries conditions. The tech goobers think a program can do it. That's probably the reason for the charging shutting down that's mentioned in the articles.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 08, 2022 11:38 AM (Y5qcH)

291 Can a family on a median income afford multiple EVs for their daily use?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel


Imagine having to "fill your tank" every day.
Times 2 or 3.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 08, 2022 11:38 AM (j+4+t)

292 Can someone explain why Alex Jones is liable for being mean? Did he actually defame someone or was he just spouting nonsense like Pierre Salinger after TWA 800?

Posted by: Actually Inside the Beltway at August 08, 2022 11:38 AM (roPuI)

293 oh and have no doubt, nuclear power plants are coming and you are going to see the biggest 180 degree flip by the greenies on that.

I'll believe that when and if I see it.
==
Ditto. I mean, their goal isn't growing society. They want to downsize and stratify society. You'll get an epic shitshow, then enclaves of greaters surrounded by vastly reduced numbers of lessors. Neofeudalism.

Posted by: Malthusian Death Cults Gotta Death Cult at August 08, 2022 11:39 AM (JPOcs)

294 "How/why does metal burn?"

Metals are outlaw. Their creed is YOBO.

Posted by: In Case Of gp, Break Glass at August 08, 2022 11:39 AM (qpX6U)

295 189 She wasn't okay before the accident.

She's got a history or significant mental issues.
__________

Heche is from a seriously messed up family. Her father was a preacher, and also a closeted homo and sexual degenerate. Heche claims he raped her as a child. He was also one of the first men in the U.S. to be diagnosed with AIDS. It's no wonder the woman has the problems she does.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB at August 08, 2022 11:39 AM (MvHI3)

296 How about learning to live without a vehicle? Move to the city where there are more transportation options. It's not rocket science.
Posted by: Sid

Most of mankind's problems result from the lower classes moving about needlessly.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Summer of Our Discontent n at August 08, 2022 11:39 AM (FVME7)

297 Fine, no deductions ever.

Flat tax rate for everyone. We'll make it a sales tax, eliminating the income tax, so we don't punish savers either.

Let's do that.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 11:39 AM (LvTSG)

298 Exactly. Sid gets it The problem isn’t the cars, it’s you rubes who insist in living far from the urban culture we insist that you enjoy. And why would anyone drive long distances? That’s what private planes are for. *sniffs haughtily *

Posted by: YOur betters. at August 08, 2022 11:36 AM (Ed8Zd)

Yeah, move to the city, where all your neighbors are Sids and Karens...paradise.

Posted by: BignJames at August 08, 2022 11:39 AM (AwYPR)

299 This leggy blonde in a red dress doesn't own an EV, but thinks a Tesla would be fun be to drive around:
https://is.gd/KSvUKd
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 11:35 AM (WWh8n)


I'd like to see her charging station.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 08, 2022 11:39 AM (anj39)

300 How about learning to live without a vehicle? Move to the city where there are more transportation options. It's not rocket science.
Posted by: Sid
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You have to work extra hard to be this dumb. Kudos!

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 08, 2022 11:40 AM (YIVH2)

301 Los Angeles became the first (I think) city in the US to buy an electric fire truck. Imagine the hilarity if that thing goes up in flames.
Posted by: JackStraw

Imagine when it gets 3 blocks and needs a charge.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 08, 2022 11:40 AM (j+4+t)

302 226 The obvious next step is enhanced Building Code legislation to make all in-house garages impregnable fire-proof vaults, in case an electric vehicle is ever parked there.

All properties must be renovated to adhere to the new Code before they can be sold. All building contractors must pay a yearly Remediation Licensing Fee and attend at least 100 hours of Remediation/Diversity training to keep their licensing current.

If It Saves One Life (tm)

Posted by: Warai-otoko
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You might try to get in on that grifting bill just passed. This sort of thinking just cries out for government funding to liaison between federal, state, and local governments to prepare the US for the 21st century.

Posted by: whig at August 08, 2022 11:40 AM (CXr4y)

303 298 Exactly. Sid gets it The problem isn’t the cars, it’s you rubes who insist in living far from the urban culture we insist that you enjoy. And why would anyone drive long distances? That’s what private planes are for. *sniffs haughtily *

Posted by: YOur betters. at August 08, 2022 11:36 AM (Ed8Zd)

Yeah, move to the city, where all your neighbors are Sids and Karens...paradise.
Posted by: BignJames at August 08, 2022 11:39 AM (AwYPR)

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You mean in close to proximity to everyone who has covid?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 11:40 AM (LvTSG)

304 260 Imagine some dumbass buying a British electric car.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Gas demand is below pandemic levels at August 08, 2022 11:28 AM (Vgkya)

Lucas, bumper to bumper.

Posted by: BignJames at August 08, 2022 11:35 AM (AwYPR)
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It would be a breakthrough, a British car that doesn't leak oil !

Posted by: Ciampino - Lucas doesn't sell oil does it? at August 08, 2022 11:40 AM (qfLjt)

305 Speaking of EVs, how’s the “EV batteries keep catching on fire” situation coming along.

The big thing these days among urban trendies in Portland is electric mopeds, misleadingly labeled "e-bikes".

Since bikes left outside in Portland will generally be stolen within hours (or minutes), people take them into their apartments, homes, and offices.

I'm sure that will work out well.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 08, 2022 11:40 AM (I2/tG)

306 And why would anyone drive long distances? That’s what private planes are for. *sniffs haughtily *

Wow, that could have come straight from Karrin Taylor Robson.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com - Email for morons. at August 08, 2022 11:40 AM (Bd6X8)

307
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I'll watch that eventually.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 11:19 AM (LvTSG)



There really is no need.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 08, 2022 11:40 AM (9gDA7)

308 Sid's got the right idea. All the farming and industry can be done by all the brown immigrants coming in, while the Real People all move to the city to live a live of idyllic ease and communal prosperity.

Genius. Great idea. Why didn't anyone ever think of that before?


You fucking punk.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 08, 2022 11:41 AM (/EuRN)

309 What would have happened if we had not sent any Lend-Lease to Russia?
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Waters also wrongly thinks that Stalin had pushed the Nazis back to the German border by December 7, 1941.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 08, 2022 11:41 AM (yikp0)

310 The overall goal of, well, everything now,, on their part, in the licensing and regulation of everything. All of the pieces that we see every day fit into that puzzle.

Posted by: kraken at August 08, 2022 11:41 AM (C5Ncp)

311 216 It is suck bullshit that I have to subsidize people buying EVs!!!!

- people taking full advantage of the mortgage interest deduction and child tax credit, paid for by single, childless renters.
Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 08, 2022 11:31 AM (3vQN0)

Yeah, but those single childless renters want their social security and medicare paid for...and while you might say you paid close to your SS benefits if you worked your whole life, you don't have a prayer of covering your Medicare costs. This is why adults pay for kids, whether or not that have them, in the tax code...b/c kids later support those adults to a greater degree than they ever got supported...

Not sure what the EV folks are paying for to the class who can't afford them...

Posted by: Nova local at August 08, 2022 11:41 AM (exHjb)

312 Sudden idiot death syndrome

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 08, 2022 11:41 AM (63Dwl)

313 How about sucking my dick?
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 08, 2022 11:34 AM (MeDDJ)


LOL. Do you think Sid charges $20? Since he's apparently already in town.

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 08, 2022 11:41 AM (DRSnL)

314 You arent subsidizing the car buyer as much as the manufacturer who tacks a premium on EVs equal to the subsidy.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 08, 2022 11:41 AM (R8uWY)

315 291 Can a family on a median income afford multiple EVs for their daily use?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel



We're going to take care of the multiple part.

No family needs more than one vehicle.

Posted by: Federal legislators at August 08, 2022 11:41 AM (9FBGz)

316 I remember when I lived without a vehicle. Mommy and Daddy fed me, paid for my housing, and carried me where I needed to go.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Gas demand is below pandemic levels at August 08, 2022 11:41 AM (Vgkya)

317 303 298 Exactly. Sid gets it The problem isn’t the cars, it’s you rubes who insist in living far from the urban culture we insist that you enjoy. And why would anyone drive long distances? That’s what private planes are for. *sniffs haughtily *
Posted by: YOur betters. at August 08, 2022 11:36 AM (Ed8Zd)

Yeah, move to the city, where all your neighbors are Sids and Karens...paradise.
Posted by: BignJames at August 08, 2022 11:39 AM (AwYPR)
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You mean in close to proximity to everyone who has covid?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 11:40 AM (LvTSG)

And Monkey Pox

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 08, 2022 11:41 AM (ynpvh)

318 Most of mankind's problems result from the lower classes moving about needlessly.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks


Most of mankind's problems result from densely packed cities.

Black Plague anyone?

Posted by: rickb223 at August 08, 2022 11:41 AM (j+4+t)

319 "Can someone explain why Alex Jones is liable for being mean? "

Summary judgement, because his defense dragged their feet complying with discovery. Had he actually been tried, who knows how it would have turned out. Don't worry, there are plenty more lawsuits in progress against him; maybe he'll win some.

Posted by: In Case Of gp, Break Glass at August 08, 2022 11:41 AM (qpX6U)

320 This leggy blonde in a red dress doesn't own an EV, but thinks a Tesla would be fun be to drive around:
https://is.gd/KSvUKd
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 11:35 AM (WWh8n)

Those are nice legs. Bit of a butterface, tho

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 08, 2022 11:42 AM (XvPQV)

321 With funding from the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, EPA’s new Clean School Bus Program provides $5 billion over the next five years (FY 2022-2026) to replace existing school buses with zero-emission and low-emission models. EPA is offering $500 million through the 2022 Clean School Bus Rebates for zero-emission and low-emission school bus rebates as the first funding opportunity. (EPA dot gov/cleanschoolbus)

Includes battery-electric, CNG, or propane drivetrain(s).

Posted by: Lola at August 08, 2022 11:42 AM (NIYa7)

322 Wow, that could have come straight from Karrin Taylor Robson.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com - Email for morons. at August 08, 2022 11:40 AM (Bd6X

Well played.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at August 08, 2022 11:42 AM (OgrpQ)

323 Thankfully British car jokes will always be British car jokes.
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Didja see that Anne Heche was driving a Mini Cooper?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Summer of Our Discontent n at August 08, 2022


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Technically, I think that's a German car now -- BMW owns it. Coopers are serviced at BMW dealers, anyway.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 08, 2022 11:42 AM (txdEq)

324 Heche is from a seriously messed up family. Her father was a preacher, and also a closeted homo and sexual degenerate. Heche claims he raped her as a child. He was also one of the first men in the U.S. to be diagnosed with AIDS. It's no wonder the woman has the problems she does. Posted by: TrivialPursuer

Plus Ellen DeGeneres for 3 or 4 years.

Posted by: Lost In Space at August 08, 2022 11:42 AM (FF+On)

325 255 Steam is the future !
Posted by: Maj. Healey at August 08, 2022 11:35 AM (m7R0k)

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Technically, aren't nuke plants steam?

Posted by: No One of Consequence at August 08, 2022 11:42 AM (RFKzk)

326 181 The Federal Government is the nekkid lardass, we the people are the ottoman.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 08, 2022 11:42 AM (atmen)

327 309 What would have happened if we had not sent any Lend-Lease to Russia?
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Waters also wrongly thinks that Stalin had pushed the Nazis back to the German border by December 7, 1941.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 08, 2022 11:41 AM (yikp0)

So a idiot of historical proportions...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 08, 2022 11:42 AM (ynpvh)

328 307
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I'll watch that eventually.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 11:19 AM (LvTSG)


There really is no need.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 08, 2022 11:40 AM (9gDA7)

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It's on the docket already. If my schedule works out, the review will post February 6.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 11:42 AM (LvTSG)

329 All electric is dumb with current battery tech. A hybrid with a gas generator and all the other regeneration options works a treat in the short term.

Posted by: Fisht at August 08, 2022 11:42 AM (ZRarh)

330 When does the market decide? We have all these cars that look alike because California imposes ridiculous fuel economy standards. We don't allow people to decide if they want a fuel efficient car.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - move forward at August 08, 2022 11:42 AM (5HBd1)

331 I remember when I lived without a vehicle. Mommy and Daddy fed me, paid for my housing, and carried me where I needed to go.
Posted by: Moron Robbie


And because of that, they were the LAST ones to tell me how to live.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 08, 2022 11:42 AM (j+4+t)

332 is Sid a sock?

Because that comment is along the lines of, "Why do you need to hunt and kill animals, when meat comes in those nice packages in the supermarket?"

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 08, 2022 11:43 AM (5pTK/)

333 Waters also wrongly thinks that Stalin had pushed the Nazis back to the German border by December 7, 1941.
Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 08, 2022 11:41 AM (yikp0)

A political decision was made to allow Russia to reach Berlin first. The Russians also allowed the Nazis on their retreat to burn down Warsaw and kill the Polish resistance. They stood by and watched.

Posted by: Bussed illegals at August 08, 2022 11:43 AM (sWbrH)

334 Older neighborhoods where the typical service current is 100A three wire single phase is going to be a problem. Charge the Tesla and turn on the dryer and BOOM goes the main breaker. 200A service is not available in all areas.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at August 08, 2022 11:43 AM (m7R0k)

335 Apparently Sid has no idea how big the US is, or how food is grown. Or transported. Or...any idea about anything at all.

Fuck Sid with a rusty chainsaw.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 08, 2022 11:43 AM (XvPQV)

336 Can a family on a median income afford multiple EVs for their daily use?

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You don't understand. EV buyers have real cars and SUVs for when they need to use cars for car stuff. The EVs are the equivalent of a Corvette or similar for the retired old guy. They're third and fourth cars. Toys to show off.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Gas demand is below pandemic levels at August 08, 2022 11:43 AM (Vgkya)

337 Posted by: Sid at August 08, 2022 11:33 AM (n8wau)


You DICK!!!!

Posted by: Jeff Spicoli at August 08, 2022 11:43 AM (9gDA7)

338 We're really going to be in trouble if the wrappers from our bug dinners are flammable.

Posted by: DaveA at August 08, 2022 11:43 AM (FhXTo)

339 292 Can someone explain why Alex Jones is liable for being mean? Did he actually defame someone or was he just spouting nonsense like Pierre Salinger after TWA 800?
Posted by: Actually Inside the Beltway at August 08, 2022 11:38 AM (roPuI)

______________________

I don't think he is (or rather I don't think he should be). But he's considered right wing and victims of gun violence are considered near-angelic paragons of purity and awesomeness, so there's that. His fate was sealed. The closest he came to actual defamation from what I saw is when he suggested (but I don't think actually came out and said) that one of the parents was lying about seeing their kid shot through the head.

Posted by: Elric Blade at August 08, 2022 11:43 AM (iFTx/)

340 325 255 Steam is the future !
Posted by: Maj. Healey at August 08, 2022 11:35 AM (m7R0k)
--------------------------------
Technically, aren't nuke plants steam?
Posted by: No One of Consequence at August 08, 2022 11:42 AM (RFKzk)

So are geothermal plants...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 08, 2022 11:43 AM (ynpvh)

341 Maybe they could start a program with electric cars like they have with those scooters in urban areas.

You just swipe a credit card and drive a Tesla 15 miles and then ditch it on the side of the road and let it recharge by solar panels.

Occasionally some tow truck comes by and grabs one and hauls it back to the charging station again.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at August 08, 2022 11:43 AM (zajeO)

342 332 is Sid a sock?

Because that comment is along the lines of, "Why do you need to hunt and kill animals, when meat comes in those nice packages in the supermarket?"

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 08, 2022 11:43 AM (5pTK/)

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I think Sid is a sock. Remember No? It turned out No was a sock of a regular who admitted it (I don't remember who).

I think Sid is just the next version.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 11:43 AM (LvTSG)

343
I've mentioned this before: the EV version of the 2026 Corvette is going to be...a four seater

Posted by: AltonJackson at August 08, 2022 11:44 AM (ENBF0)

344 Question for the gearheads here. Would diesel-electric work in long-haul trucks?
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 08, 2022 11:35 AM (1Nxff)

You could haul a lot of stuff with a coupla those. Hook up trailer after trailer full of stuff. Might need its own roadway with all that stuff dragging around back there.
Maybe even put it on...rails. Just an idea.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 08, 2022 11:44 AM (MFphb)

345 While Sid obviously a retard (or a clever sock) this viewpoint is common on the left. Why DO you need a car? Take the bus or subway peasant!!

And it is working on GenZ. The percent of teens with a license has been dropping since the mid 2000s.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 08, 2022 11:44 AM (3vQN0)

346 Can someone explain why Alex Jones is liable for being mean? Did he actually defame someone or was he just spouting nonsense like Pierre Salinger after TWA 800?
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I don't know the details. I think he accused other people of being frauds or hoaxers. Not sure how specific he got with regard to individuals. He said apparently they were fake deaths and so fake funerals. So perhaps some parents were interviewed on TV and he commented on them being "fake" or "frauds" or "hoaxsters". That'll get you in trouble if you do it publicly. Truth is a defense, but guess what, there's autopsy photos and videos and embalmers who can testify and a lot of parents whose kids are "gone" testifying about identifying them in the morgue, burying them etc etc..

Posted by: its an op, m'kay, ops are bad, m'kay at August 08, 2022 11:44 AM (iBlwQ)

347 2022 BMW i4 and iX EVs Recalled: Park Outside, Don't Drive or Charge
7 days ago The 2022 BMW i4 eDrive40, i4 M50, iX xDrive50 and iX M60 EVs are facing recalls, due to increased potential for battery fires, according to Auto Blog. The recall applies to 27 i4 units and 56 iX units, though BMW isn't currently aware of any injuries or accidents resulting from the issue. BMW and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) have advised affected owners to avoid driving their vehicles, or parking them inside or nearby structures that could catch on fire.

Whoops. Whoopsies. Average price of these beauties is around $60k or so.

Good rant, Buck.

Posted by: GnuBreed at August 08, 2022 11:44 AM (JOtiF)

348
Fuck Sid with a rusty chainsaw.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 08, 2022 11:43 AM (XvPQV)



Thank you for your support.

Posted by: Leatherface at August 08, 2022 11:44 AM (9gDA7)

349 Turns out it would have cost close to $10,000 to replace the battery which Ford recommended before 100,000 miles due to degraded battery performance issues.


Yeah, the battery recharge and degradation thing is something everyone is painfully familiar with these days having a smartphone. From what I have read, the car batteries are better than your phone -- they don't degrade as badly and last longer -- but they still suffer from that.

Your internal combustion engine does the same thing but we're so good at making and fixing them that its a fraction the cost to renew your engine than to replace those batteries. Because its not just the battery cost, its installation (have to pull the entire car apart) and disposal costs of the batteries.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 08, 2022 11:44 AM (Ivdso)

350 299 This leggy blonde in a red dress doesn't own an EV, but thinks a Tesla would be fun be to drive around:
https://is.gd/KSvUKd
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 11:35 AM (WWh8n)

I'd like to see her charging station.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 08, 2022 11:39 AM (anj39)
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You want to see her charging station, I want to get into her Tesla.

Posted by: Ciampino - more fun for me at August 08, 2022 11:44 AM (qfLjt)

351 And Monkey Pox

*

Leave the infants and toddlers living in households with gay men out of this!

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Gas demand is below pandemic levels at August 08, 2022 11:44 AM (Vgkya)

352 "Thank God the Russians had already won the b***dy war almost by then. Don't forget almost 23 million Russians died protecting you and me from the Nazi menace."
Posted by: andycanuck

Stalin and the USSR are every bit as guilty of starting WWII as Hitler and the Nazis.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Summer of Our Discontent n at August 08, 2022 11:44 AM (FVME7)

353 I remember when I lived without a vehicle. Mommy and Daddy fed me, paid for my housing, and carried me where I needed to go.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Gas demand is below pandemic levels at August 08, 2022


***
Who needs any kind of vehicle? You can't chase toys in a car! Besides, my servant Wolfus handles all that for me.

Posted by: Stirling the Evil Black Kitten at August 08, 2022 11:45 AM (txdEq)

354 Ebikes catch fire in NYC
They have 3 or 4 per week

Posted by: Yo! Ultra MAGA at August 08, 2022 11:45 AM (iKbSe)

355 Wow, that could have come straight from Karrin Taylor Robson.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com - Email for morons. at August 08, 2022 11:40 AM (Bd6X
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Was Robson that bad? Because my initial instincts were: I could vote for Lake, but not Robson, in the general.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 08, 2022 11:45 AM (5pTK/)

356 I think Sid is a sock. Remember No? It turned out No was a sock of a regular who admitted it (I don't remember who).

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 11:43 AM (LvTSG)


Really? I missed that.

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 08, 2022 11:45 AM (DRSnL)

357 335 Apparently Sid has no idea how big the US is, or how food is grown. Or transported. Or...any idea about anything at all.

Fuck Sid with a rusty chainsaw.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 08, 2022 11:43 AM (XvPQV)

Wouldn't do that. He's probably got Monkey Pox, and you don't want his blood and other fluids getting on you.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 08, 2022 11:45 AM (ynpvh)

358 Plus Ellen DeGeneres for 3 or 4 years.
Posted by: Lost In Space at August 08, 2022 11:42 AM (FF+On)

That many years of incessant Dad Jokes and recycled Seinfeld bits would send anyone over the edge....

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 08, 2022 11:45 AM (/EuRN)

359 That looks like another shovel-ready job pic up top.

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 08, 2022 11:45 AM (4I/2K)

360 351 And Monkey Pox

*

Leave the infants and toddlers living in households with gay men out of this!
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Gas demand is below pandemic levels at August 08, 2022 11:44 AM (Vgkya)

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You see the story that Insty posted to this weekend of a gay couple in Atlanta that got arrested for child porn they forced their adopted children into?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 11:45 AM (LvTSG)

361 I've mentioned this before: the EV version of the 2026 Corvette is going to be...a four seater

*

They already did that with the Ford Escape. Sorry "Mustang"

Four door SUV. hahahaha

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Gas demand is below pandemic levels at August 08, 2022 11:45 AM (Vgkya)

362 And btw that Asian Knife Ninja Dude from the sidebar last night deserves his own post. Wow. Carved that little prick up like a roast. Does it make me a bad person if I smiled while watching the video?

Posted by: Elric Blade at August 08, 2022 11:45 AM (iFTx/)

363 I had a Geo Metro xFi that got over 60MPH highway, 5 speed manual, reliable, only cost eight grand new. Great fun to drive, but a deathtrap.

Posted by: In Case Of gp, Break Glass at August 08, 2022 11:45 AM (qpX6U)

364 Why? I have seen the windmill blade transport truck convoys, but they were wrapped and moving out to a wind farm for installation. Why go through all that for something you're throwing away? Why not chop them into quarters or thirds and load them up like logs onto standard trucks? Even if you have to rent costly equipment to do that, it's probably cheaper to accumulate spent blades on-site until you have enough of them to justify that kind of approach rather than paying for specialty transport to the dump.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 11:34 AM (WWh8n)

Windmill blades are made of carbon fiber composite, IIRC. Why not just chop them into little bits, and blend them into the feed for a coal-fired power plant? Get back a little of the energy wasted to make them.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 08, 2022 11:46 AM (vmLUG)

365 I've mentioned this before: the EV version of the 2026 Corvette is going to be...a four seater

Yeah, that's because these electric versions of hot car brands are not the actual brand. They're just using the badge to try to sell electric cars. Its like calling a vegan burger wagyu beef: its the name they are counting on, not the slightest similarity with the brand.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 08, 2022 11:46 AM (Ivdso)

366 Since bikes left outside in Portland will generally be stolen within hours (or minutes), people take them into their apartments, homes, and offices.

I'm sure that will work out well.


https://youtu.be/7u_6jCVK6Us
https://youtu.be/d0QpGUfOjUQ
https://bit.ly/3zFO7Gv

Nothing to worry about.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com - Email for morons. at August 08, 2022 11:46 AM (Bd6X8)

367 Those are nice legs. Bit of a butterface, tho
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 08, 2022 11:42 AM (XvPQV)


That's why they make light switches.

Posted by: I Mean at August 08, 2022 11:46 AM (9FBGz)

368 That'll get you in trouble if you do it publicly. Truth is a defense, but guess what, there's autopsy photos and videos and embalmers who can testify and a lot of parents whose kids are "gone" testifying about identifying them in the morgue, burying them etc etc..

Crisis actors! Conspiracy of 100s just like 9-11!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 08, 2022 11:46 AM (R8uWY)

369 Occasionally some tow truck comes by and grabs one and hauls it back to the charging station again.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at August 08, 2022 11:43 AM (zajeO)


A GAS-POWERED tow truck...

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 08, 2022 11:46 AM (DRSnL)

370 Stalin and the USSR are every bit as guilty of starting WWII as Hitler and the Nazis.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Summer of Our Discontent n at August 08, 2022 11:44 AM (FVME7)
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Let's not forget the "you'll get a rifle and ammo when you pick it up from a fallen comrade, comrade" methods the Russian army used in WWII.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 08, 2022 11:46 AM (5pTK/)

371 Imagine some dumbass buying a British electric car

I bet it still leaks oil though.

Posted by: Oddbob at August 08, 2022 11:46 AM (nfrXX)

372 I think Sid is a sock. Remember No? It turned out No was a sock of a regular who admitted it (I don't remember who).

*

No was a legitimate poster, he would just post things he'd see on his Facebook page from leftist friends and family. He hung out as himself one weekend IIRC. I haven't seen him in a while. Always liked when he would pop up.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Gas demand is below pandemic levels at August 08, 2022 11:47 AM (Vgkya)

373 And it is working on GenZ. The percent of teens with a license has been dropping since the mid 2000s.
Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 08, 2022 11:44 AM (3vQN0)
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Had a conversation about this recently with some colleagues. Apparently kids these days are NOT eager to get their driver's license and their own independence. They are extremely reluctant to accept the responsibility of owning and driving their own vehicle. They are adverse to accepting responsibility for a lot of things, really.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 08, 2022 11:47 AM (YIVH2)

374
They already did that with the Ford Escape. Sorry "Mustang"

Four door SUV. hahahaha
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Gas demand is below pandemic levels at August 08, 2022 11:45 AM (Vgkya)



That still pisses me off. It's a fucking Edge. Calling that a Mustang is highly offensive.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 08, 2022 11:47 AM (9gDA7)

375 I'm divided on whether Sid is an impish Moron having fun, or a true idiot

Posted by: DB at August 08, 2022 11:47 AM (geLO8)

376 Steam is the future !
Posted by: Maj. Healey at August 08, 2022 11:35 AM (m7R0k)
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Technically, aren't nuke plants steam?
Posted by: No One of Consequence at August 08, 2022 11:42 AM (RFKzk)

So are geothermal plants...
==
So are coal and natty gas and solar. They boil water to make steam to turn the turbines. (France has a solar plant where mirrors focus sunlight on a vessel of water to heat it to boiling. )

Posted by: they are all steam power plants at August 08, 2022 11:47 AM (zLuh5)

377 And it is working on GenZ. The percent of teens with a license has been dropping since the mid 2000s.


That would need further statistical analysis.

For instance, the percentage of teens that are illegal Mexicans has probably increased during that time frame, lowering the percentage of teens that obtain licenses.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at August 08, 2022 11:47 AM (zajeO)

378 This leggy blonde in a red dress doesn't own an EV, but thinks a Tesla would be fun be to drive around:
https://is.gd/KSvUKd
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 11:35 AM (WWh8n)

Those are nice legs. Bit of a butterface, tho
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 08, 2022 11:42 AM (XvPQV)

Looks like kudzu in the b'ground....another great government idea.

Posted by: BignJames at August 08, 2022 11:47 AM (AwYPR)

379 "Heche is from a seriously messed up family."

She still needs to do real jail time.

Posted by: In Case Of gp, Break Glass at August 08, 2022 11:47 AM (qpX6U)

380 And btw that Asian Knife Ninja Dude from the sidebar last night deserves his own post. Wow. Carved that little prick up like a roast. Does it make me a bad person if I smiled while watching the video?
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 08, 2022 11:45 AM (iFTx/)

Ummmmmmmmm....No.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 08, 2022 11:47 AM (2CExO)

381 @253 Christopher R Taylor-There is one being built right now in Kemmerer Wyoming by Bill Gates TerraPower on a shuttered coal burning power plant site.
I agree with and understand your sentiment with the freakout by folks especially ones of the left. These are different types of nukes though Natrium Nukes(salt is used to cool). Given the people on the lefts propensity to believe anything I believe they can pull off swaying the general public. I'm sure the die hard Gaia worshipping greens, not so much.
I'm subscribed to a lot of energy industry sites/mags and I've never seen a push for anything like I'm seeing for nuclear power. Calling it "Green, Clean and Safe". I believe in nuclear power I just do not trust the players pushing it right now. Something stinks.

Posted by: JROD at August 08, 2022 11:47 AM (0jZnq)

382 325 255 Steam is the future !
Posted by: Maj. Healey at August 08, 2022 11:35 AM (m7R0k)

--------------------------------

Technically, aren't nuke plants steam?
Posted by: No One of Consequence at August 08, 2022 11:42 AM (RFKzk)
__________________________

Steam powered cars were once a real thing and considered the future. This was 100 years ago. You can google it. Actually quite interesting because at the time they did not suffer from some of the major problems that gas-powered cars then did.

Posted by: Elric Blade at August 08, 2022 11:47 AM (iFTx/)

383 You mean in close to proximity to everyone who has covid?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 11:40 AM (LvTSG)

And monkeypox

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 08, 2022 11:47 AM (jbPkE)

384
You see the story that Insty posted...

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Nope. Nope nope nope. Nope.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Gas demand is below pandemic levels at August 08, 2022 11:47 AM (Vgkya)

385 RE: Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact... looking at American media during that time, switching at breakneck pace from "Hitler is fucking AWESOME, dudes," to "Hitler is Satan" is always fun.

Supporting the Current Thing goes back a long ways.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 08, 2022 11:47 AM (IXpV7)

386 Can someone explain why Alex Jones is liable for being mean? Did he actually defame someone or was he just spouting nonsense like Pierre Salinger after TWA 800?

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I think the allegation was intentional infliction of emotional harm. Different from Pierre Salinger? Not really except more young children were involved.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Summer of Our Discontent n at August 08, 2022 11:48 AM (FVME7)

387 Steam is the future !
Posted by: Maj. Healey at August 08, 2022 11:35 AM (m7R0k)
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Free gaming content!

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at August 08, 2022 11:48 AM (aaGzp)

388
Maybe even put it on...rails. Just an idea.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 08, 2022 11:44 AM (MFphb)

_________

I knew that's what locomotives use. I was wondering why diesel-electric hasn't migrated further and it seemed like semis would be a candidate.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 08, 2022 11:48 AM (1Nxff)

389 Those are nice legs. Bit of a butterface, tho
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 08, 2022 11:42 AM (XvPQV)


That's why they make light switches.
Posted by: I Mean at August 08, 2022 11:46 AM (9FBGz)

"We're all God's creatures in the dark."
-Turk

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 08, 2022 11:48 AM (XvPQV)

390 376 Steam is the future !
Posted by: Maj. Healey at August 08, 2022 11:35 AM (m7R0k)
--------------------------------
Technically, aren't nuke plants steam?
Posted by: No One of Consequence at August 08, 2022 11:42 AM (RFKzk)

So are geothermal plants...
==
So are coal and natty gas and solar. They boil water to make steam to turn the turbines. (France has a solar plant where mirrors focus sunlight on a vessel of water to heat it to boiling. )

Posted by: they are all steam power plants at August 08, 2022 11:47 AM (zLuh5)

Stirling Engine. Some want to use sodium salts, but containing the molten salts can be an issue...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 08, 2022 11:49 AM (ynpvh)

391 Technically, aren't nuke plants steam?

As the environmentalist Barry Commoner put it in the 1970s, nuclear plants are just a way to boil water.

His sophisticated audiences would then laugh at how stupid and simplistic nuclear plants were.

Because it's easy to generate steam at a sufficient temperature and pressure to produce 1500 MWs of electricity (enough to power a large city).

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 08, 2022 11:49 AM (I2/tG)

392 Keep on poking the Dragon, guys!

Morgan Ortagus @MorganOrtagus; 21h
There are over 8,500 KFC restaurants in China. Palates don't cheat. #China has always been a part of Kentucky. The long lost child will eventually return home.

https://nitter.net/MorganOrtagus/status/
1556347258534125569#m

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 08, 2022 11:49 AM (yikp0)

393 There is a subsidy for putting them up. There is no subsidy to maintain them.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 08, 2022 11:35 AM (lTGtQ)

Also, if demand on the grid is low, they can't have them all running, because that might make wind too large a part of the mix, and then the grid collapses when the wind hiccups.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 08, 2022 11:49 AM (vmLUG)

394 Fritz Lang's greatest contribution to cinema was how Maria was depicted in Metropolis. That presaged the universal approval by teen boys of rubber suits on the hard body females in later Sci-Fi movies.

Posted by: Lost In Space at August 08, 2022 11:49 AM (FF+On)

395 I'm not sure Heche being involved with DeGeneres or was it Etheridge? helped, either.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 08, 2022 11:49 AM (5pTK/)

396 So are coal and natty gas and solar. They boil water to make steam to turn the turbines. (France has a solar plant where mirrors focus sunlight on a vessel of water to heat it to boiling. )
Posted by: they are all steam power plants at August 08, 2022 11:47 AM (zLuh5)

So does the US, Ivanpah Solar Facility. You can find videos of all the birds it incinerates.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 08, 2022 11:49 AM (Y5qcH)

397 Was Robson that bad? Because my initial instincts were: I could vote for Lake, but not Robson, in the general.

She was accused of using her husband's private jet to travel between campaign events and not reporting it as required. Which she denied. Yet the plane kept showing up the airport closest to her event just before it started and leaving just after it ended.

I don't know, maybe the pilot was stalking her?

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com - Email for morons. at August 08, 2022 11:49 AM (Bd6X8)

398 Does it make me a bad person if I smiled while watching the video?

I fear, along with everyone else here, that we'll see more and more of this as cops either will not or cannot do their jobs, and prosecutors refuse to prosecute. What are shop owners supposed to do, if the tax dollars they pay won't protect them?

Not the Bee has a bit up about how in New York CIty ever since they changed their laws, 10 career criminals have been arrested 485 combined times.

https://tinyurl.com/5ed9yyjd

They get busted, they get processed, they walk free. If the law won't handle things, people will on their own or as a group.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 08, 2022 11:50 AM (Ivdso)

399 its the name they are counting on, not the slightest similarity with the brand.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 08, 2022 11:46 AM (Ivdso)
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Funny. This is the same technique they are using in entertainment right now. You loved *BRAND* so you'll continue to buy *BRAND* (Star Wars, Star Trek, Lord of the Rings, pick your *BRAND*). But entertainment corporations are discovering that's not the case.

It'll be the same with BRAND EVs...Just because it says "Corvette" doesn't mean it's any good.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 08, 2022 11:50 AM (YIVH2)

400 Looks like kudzu in the b'ground....another great government idea.
Posted by: BignJames at August 08, 2022 11:47 AM (AwYPR)
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It can't be. Nobody would deliberately cultivate kudzu in a garden or as a part of landscaping.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 11:50 AM (WWh8n)

401 I have seen the windmill blade transport truck convoys, but they were wrapped and moving out to a wind farm for installation. Why go through all that for something you're throwing away? Why not chop them into quarters or thirds and load them up like logs onto standard trucks? Even if you have to rent costly equipment to do that, it's probably cheaper to accumulate spent blades on-site until you have enough of them to justify that kind of approach rather than paying for specialty transport to the dump.
Posted by: Joe Mannix



I don't think the blades can be chopped up on site, due to the environmental issues from fiberglass dust inhalation. IIRC, the blades are classified as toxic waste.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 08, 2022 11:50 AM (lTGtQ)

402 Didja see that Anne Heche was driving a Mini Cooper?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Summer of Our Discontent n at August 08, 2022 11:36 AM (FVME7)

Built by BMW. It's a Big Little Money Waster.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 08, 2022 11:50 AM (vmLUG)

403 I believe in nuclear power I just do not trust the players pushing it right now. Something stinks.
Posted by: JROD at August 08, 2022 11:47 AM (0jZnq)

Oligarchs like money. And controlling the electric system. They don't like brownouts, when it affects them.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 08, 2022 11:50 AM (XvPQV)

404 356 I think Sid is a sock. Remember No? It turned out No was a sock of a regular who admitted it (I don't remember who).

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 11:43 AM (LvTSG)


Really? I missed that.
Posted by: Jordan61 at August 08, 2022 11:45 AM (DRSnL)

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Was No actually a sock? I thought he just came clean about being a parody. Or more specifically, I believe he said he was quoting (or paraphrasing) his left relatives.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at August 08, 2022 11:50 AM (RFKzk)

405 That still pisses me off. It's a fucking Edge. Calling that a Mustang is highly offensive.
Posted by: Spong
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I suspect this way they can lump it in with Mustang sales.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Gas demand is below pandemic levels at August 08, 2022 11:50 AM (Vgkya)

406 Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com - Email for morons. at August 08, 2022 11:49 AM (Bd6X

Maybe her husband was following her.

Posted by: Bussed illegals at August 08, 2022 11:51 AM (sWbrH)

407 All electric is dumb with current battery tech. A hybrid with a gas generator and all the other regeneration options works a treat in the short term.
Posted by: Fisht at August 08, 2022


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My current Buick and the previous one, the Regal, also had hybrid models. Each had a tiny 2.4L IC engine, non-turbo, that barely made 180 hp. That wasn't enough for the Regal, a mid-size car, and it sure wouldn't be enough for a big LaCrosse. If they'd put in an IC engine with some oomph, a hybrid would be a great idea for me.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 08, 2022 11:51 AM (txdEq)

408 Windmill blades are made of carbon fiber composite,

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They're not carbon neutral?!!!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Summer of Our Discontent n at August 08, 2022 11:51 AM (FVME7)

409 (France has a solar plant where mirrors focus sunlight on a vessel of water to heat it to boiling. )

Posted by: they are all steam power plants at August 08, 2022 11:47 AM (zLuh5)
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My wife and I drove by Ivanpah recently. Cool to look at, completely useless when it comes to generating electricity.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 08, 2022 11:51 AM (5pTK/)

410 and disposal costs of the batteries.
____________

And that cost alone can be very large, since the batteries can't just be hauled off to the local dump. They're bio-hazards, and have to be disposed of in ways that are very expensive.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB at August 08, 2022 11:51 AM (MvHI3)

411 400 Looks like kudzu in the b'ground....another great government idea.
Posted by: BignJames at August 08, 2022 11:47 AM (AwYPR)
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It can't be. Nobody would deliberately cultivate kudzu in a garden or as a part of landscaping.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 11:50 AM (WWh8n)

Who said it was deliberate...?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 08, 2022 11:51 AM (ynpvh)

412 I was wondering why diesel-electric hasn't migrated further and it seemed like semis would be a candidate.

I agree, and you can carry a lot more batteries on a rig like that than a sedan.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 08, 2022 11:51 AM (Ivdso)

413 >Don't forget almost 23 million Russians died protecting you and me from the Nazi menace.

Patton would point out that it is much preferable to make the =OTHER= guy die for =HIS= country.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 08, 2022 11:51 AM (44ww/)

414 >>>How about learning to live without a vehicle? Move to the city where there are more transportation options. It's not rocket science.

And live amongst the idiots? Drug's are bad, mmkay.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 08, 2022 11:51 AM (U3uv2)

415 Dibs on comment #47 in the "Electric Vehicle Guy" pool.
Posted by: Chuck C at August 08, 2022 11:07 AM
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85 Baby BBB now has $4k tax credits for used EVs. And I believe there are some caps in income and value of the car added.
Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 08, 2022 11:16 AM


Damn. Missed it by 38 posts.

Posted by: Chuck C at August 08, 2022 11:51 AM (xttsV)

416 I don't think the blades can be chopped up on site, due to the environmental issues from fiberglass dust inhalation. IIRC, the blades are classified as toxic waste.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 08, 2022 11:50 AM (lTGtQ)
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Okay. I'll take your word for it. Also, that's hilarious (in a "we're in bizarro world" kind of way).

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 11:52 AM (WWh8n)

417 394 Fritz Lang's greatest contribution to cinema was how Maria was depicted in Metropolis. That presaged the universal approval by teen boys of rubber suits on the hard body females in later Sci-Fi movies.
Posted by: Lost In Space at August 08, 2022 11:49 AM (FF+On)

Let's not forget 'M', which a LOT of police procedurals borrowed from.

I've got my copy of Metropolis on bluray, hope to watch it on Tuesday.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 08, 2022 11:52 AM (XvPQV)

418 414 >>>How about learning to live without a vehicle? Move to the city where there are more transportation options. It's not rocket science.

And live amongst the idiots? Drug's are bad, mmkay.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 08, 2022 11:51 AM (U3uv2)

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They sanitized this subway car 12 hours ago. Don't worry, it's clean.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 11:52 AM (LvTSG)

419 You have to work extra hard to be this dumb. Kudos!
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 08, 2022 11:40 AM (YIVH2)

Sid is simply saying the quiet part out loud.

Posted by: 7man at August 08, 2022 11:52 AM (qwO6y)

420 Crested Butte CO has banned natural gas in all new construction

new home or commercial has to be all electric

Posted by: DB at August 08, 2022 11:52 AM (geLO8)

421 an someone explain why Alex Jones is liable for being mean?
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Did he fly a drone over the event and no one knew he had video footage until late in a court case he wasn't even involved in?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Gas demand is below pandemic levels at August 08, 2022 11:52 AM (Vgkya)

422 "Let's not forget 'M', which a LOT of police procedurals borrowed from."

Wonderful movie.

Posted by: In Case Of gp, Break Glass at August 08, 2022 11:53 AM (qpX6U)

423 They're very expensive and very fast golf carts. Plan accordingly.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at August 08, 2022 11:53 AM (b52wH)

424 She was accused of using her husband's private jet to travel between campaign events and not reporting it as required. Which she denied. Yet the plane kept showing up the airport closest to her event just before it started and leaving just after it ended.

I don't know, maybe the pilot was stalking her?
Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com - Email for morons. at August 08, 2022 11:49 AM (Bd6X
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Kari Lake went hammer and tongs after Robson. If even half of what Lake said was true, we dodged a bullet with Robson. Of course, Robson received the GOPe stamp of approval, which doesn't seem to have helped her much.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 08, 2022 11:53 AM (5pTK/)

425 *whistles Peer Gynt*

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 11:53 AM (LvTSG)

426 My kids can’t wait to drive. And I can’t wait from them to drive as well, so I stop being their personal Uber.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 08, 2022 11:53 AM (3vQN0)

427 They sanitized this subway car 12 hours ago. Don't worry, it's clean.

hell yeah man, got any spare change?

Posted by: Homless meth head masturbating in the front seat at August 08, 2022 11:54 AM (j5Tg0)

428 EVs are just the lowest common denominator in a chain of reasoning that begins with, "But they're widows and orphans - you don't want widows and orphans to suffer, do you?"

If you vote to force your neighbor to pay for widows and orphans, then you voted for yourself to pay for your neighbor's EV.

Stop bitching.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at August 08, 2022 11:54 AM (Y206u)

429 The thing about tesla's and why they aren't top in the list of fires (they do catch fire but!) is that they designed their battery pack from the git go to be able to withstand single batteries going up in smoke. The car is designed to contain and continue to work if a single battery catches fire. The only times I've heard of a Telsa catching fire is after an impact of some kind when the battery pack itself was damaged, leading to multiple cells going into flames. And I'll bet you any amt of money you'd like to wager that Tesla has wrapped all the tech around it's pack into so many patents that the other EV's are having to jury rig some really sub-optimal solutions. EV's are ok for daily commutes, but suck for ANYTHING else as far as I've been able to understand.

Posted by: McDirty at August 08, 2022 11:54 AM (SlYhU)

430
As the environmentalist Barry Commoner put it in the 1970s, nuclear plants are just a way to boil water.

_________

It takes energy to get water from room temperature to 212F, then a lot more energy to get it to boil at that temperature.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 08, 2022 11:54 AM (1Nxff)

431 is Sid a sock?

After getting suckered by the Tickled Pink sock, my policy is to just ignore any comment or commenter that seems to be out on either tail or the commentariat as a whole.

Posted by: Oddbob at August 08, 2022 11:54 AM (nfrXX)

432 Let's not forget 'M', which a LOT of police procedurals borrowed from.

M is a freaking masterpiece, so well done. Lang didn't have to make any other film after that, his career was established.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 08, 2022 11:54 AM (Ivdso)

433 425 *whistles Peer Gynt*
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 11:53 AM (LvTSG)

*perks up*

Did somebody say Pear Gunt?

Posted by: Jerry Nadler at August 08, 2022 11:54 AM (/EuRN)

434 Was No actually a sock? I thought he just came clean about being a parody. Or more specifically, I believe he said he was quoting (or paraphrasing) his left relatives.
Posted by: No One of Consequence at August 08, 2022 11:50 AM (RFKzk)

That's my recollection.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at August 08, 2022 11:54 AM (906pl)

435 How about learning to live without a vehicle? Move to the city where there are more transportation options. It's not rocket science.


Tell that to the tens of thousands of commie cocksuckers moving out of Frisco so that they can buy a big house in Fresno and Merced, while still doing the commute into the Bay hellhole for work.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 08, 2022 11:54 AM (KYKwc)

436 Who said it was deliberate...?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 08, 2022 11:51 AM (ynpvh)

I've got kudzu, mixed w/bamboo on the edge of my property...constant battle to keep it out.

Posted by: BignJames at August 08, 2022 11:54 AM (AwYPR)

437 Steam powered cars were once a real thing and considered the future. This was 100 years ago. You can google it. Actually quite interesting because at the time they did not suffer from some of the major problems that gas-powered cars then did.
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 08, 2022


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The Stanley Hotel in Estes Park, CO, has a 3/4-sized model of the Stanley Steamer auto in the lobby (or did back in 2000 or so). Same Stanley. (That, as you all know, is the hotel where Stephen King and his wife vacationed, and which inspired The Shining.)

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 08, 2022 11:55 AM (txdEq)

438 I was wondering why diesel-electric hasn't migrated further and it seemed like semis would be a candidate.

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EV types hate anything with an engine. It's why the Volt was killed. They despised it, even though it was arguably the best hybrid design for EVs and something that would get EV curious people to dip their toes in the water.

They killed it because it has an engine. That cannot be allowed.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Gas demand is below pandemic levels at August 08, 2022 11:55 AM (Vgkya)

439 402 Didja see that Anne Heche was driving a Mini Cooper?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Summer of Our Discontent n at August 08, 2022 11:36 AM (FVME7)

Built by BMW. It's a Big Little Money Waster.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 08, 2022 11:50 AM (vmLUG)

For those who understand Choiman:

BMW (Bayerischer Mist Wagen) Bavarian Manure Car
BMW (Bei Mercedes Weggeschmissen) Thrown away by Mercedes

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at August 08, 2022 11:55 AM (PiwSw)

440 Technically, I think that's a German car now -- BMW owns it. Coopers are serviced at BMW dealers, anyway.

Right, BMW makes Mini since their late-00s relaunch. Apparently it's even worse quality than regular BMWs (I've seen pictures of a BMW that launched valves through the top of the engine and embedded them in the hood).

Posted by: Ian S. at August 08, 2022 11:55 AM (ZGrMX)

441 321
EPA is offering $500 million through the 2022 Clean School Bus Rebates for zero-emission and low-emission school bus rebates as the first funding opportunity. (EPA dot gov/cleanschoolbus)

Includes battery-electric, CNG, or propane drivetrain(s).

Posted by: Lola at August 08, 2022 11:42 AM (NIYa7)
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What's the EPA doing involved in subsidies? Surely that's not in its charter?

Posted by: Ciampino - EPA must go at August 08, 2022 11:55 AM (qfLjt)

442 The only times I've heard of a Telsa catching fire is after an impact of some kind when the battery pack itself was damaged, leading to multiple cells going into flames.

They had a bunch out in a lot catch fire in heavy rain a while back but I think they fixed that problem.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 08, 2022 11:55 AM (Ivdso)

443 432 Let's not forget 'M', which a LOT of police procedurals borrowed from.

M is a freaking masterpiece, so well done. Lang didn't have to make any other film after that, his career was established.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 08, 2022 11:54 AM (Ivdso)

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It's has a surprisingly complex sound design. Most first sound films from established directors of the period are awkward as fuck, at best. Lang took his time to learn and experiment. He was still limited by only one sound at a time (primitive sound mixing didn't start for another couple of years), but what he accomplishes with that is actually kind of draw-dropping.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 11:56 AM (LvTSG)

444 ... The only times I've heard of a Telsa catching fire is after an impact of some kind when the battery pack itself was damaged, leading to multiple cells going into flames. And I'll bet you any amt of money you'd like to wager that Tesla has wrapped all the tech around it's pack into so many patents that the other EV's are having to jury rig some really sub-optimal solutions. ...
Posted by: McDirty at August 08, 2022 11:54 AM (SlYhU)
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Tesla has had a lot of innovation in that area, and they own it. Their new pyro-fuses are really cool, tool. Basically it's a fast-response bomb that goes off to cut power when a collision happens. Based on airbag technology, IIRC.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 08, 2022 11:56 AM (WWh8n)

445 RE: Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact... looking at American media during that time, switching at breakneck pace from "Hitler is fucking AWESOME, dudes," to "Hitler is Satan" is always fun.

LOL. The commie Almanac Singers (including Pete Seeger, and Woody Guthrie) put out an album of anti-war songs (Songs for John Doe) in May 1941 denouncing American militarism.

Hitler invaded the USSR the following month, and the American Communist Party furiously retrieved and destroyed all the copies of the album they could find at distributors and record stores. Party members were ordered to turn in their albums so they could be destroyed.

The Almanac Singers then quickly wrote and recorded a new album of pro-war songs.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 08, 2022 11:56 AM (I2/tG)

446 By the way, windmill farms: When the subsidies run out, power companies abandon them.

A few states have become wise to the scam and require power companies to remove unused windmills, but, most likely, the definition of "abandoned windmill" is such, the law isn't really enforceable.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 08, 2022 11:56 AM (5pTK/)

447 You arent subsidizing the car buyer as much as the manufacturer who tacks a premium on EVs equal to the subsidy.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 08, 2022 11:41 AM


Yep, and all of those solar and wind subsidies just increase the price. Take them away and the market pretty much dries up like it has the past few years. The democrats are just doing this to help out their billionaire voters.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 08, 2022 11:56 AM (bVYXr)

448 *whistles Peer Gynt*
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022


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Crossword puzzle addict: "Who was Peer Gynt's mother?"

Fellow carpooler: "Mrs. Gynt, of course."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 08, 2022 11:56 AM (txdEq)

449 Didja see that Anne Heche was driving a Mini Cooper?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Summer of Our Discontent n at August 08, 2022

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Technically, I think that's a German car now -- BMW owns it. Coopers are serviced at BMW dealers, anyway.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

British, German. Neither one of them can speak.decent English!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Summer of Our Discontent n at August 08, 2022 11:56 AM (FVME7)

450 It takes energy to get water from room temperature to 212F, then a lot more energy to get it to boil at that temperature.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 08, 2022 11:54 AM (1Nxff)

970 btu/lb., latent heat of vaporization.

Posted by: BignJames at August 08, 2022 11:56 AM (AwYPR)

451 The Russians only stopped the Nazis on their front because we were pouring in supplies and because they stopped slaughtering their Generals because of internal Russian politics.

Stalin more than once threatened to come to terms with the Nazis if we didn't: give him more free shit, open a second Western Front, let him keep and control the territory the Red Army seized.

Fuck Roger Waters. Wish he was dead.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 08, 2022 11:56 AM (XvPQV)

452 In Western Europe, the Sid vision exists. Cars are for the middle and upper middle classes. Lower classes do not drive. And I don’t mean the ultra poor, I mean what we would define here as “working class”. It is so expensive to operate a car that a large part of the population cannot afford it. And even for the middle class, owning more than 1 car is virtually unheard of. A family owns A car. To own multiple cars you need to be in the upper tier of society.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 08, 2022 11:57 AM (3vQN0)

453 They were gonna start calling them Mini Muensters, but marketing said no.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 08, 2022 11:57 AM (/EuRN)

454 I knew that's what locomotives use. I was wondering why diesel-electric hasn't migrated further and it seemed like semis would be a candidate.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 08, 2022 11:48 AM (1Nxff)

I'm guessing plenty of engineers have looked into it and decided that it's not efficient enough until you get to the extra large size used in locomotives.
Regular diesels are remarkably efficient and proven.
Being not government private industry knows you don't fuck with what works unless something is proven better.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 08, 2022 11:57 AM (MFphb)

455 Hey! You burnt my lawn, driveway, and mailbox! Hope you have plentiful property damage coverage in your auto insurance policy, bub.

Posted by: Neighbor in top pic at August 08, 2022 11:57 AM (4I/2K)

456 I have become a big convert to cordless tools such as the Milwaukee FUEL line. I suppose electric golf carts are OK, too. Otherwise, batteries are for things like the new-fangled transistor radios I'm hearing about.

Posted by: Weasel at August 08, 2022 11:58 AM (0IeYL)

457 To own multiple cars you need to be in the upper tier of society.
Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 08, 2022 11:57 AM (3vQN0)

and that fantastic car your family can only dream of owning one day is a Fiat Panda with 10 bhp and no air conditioning.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 08, 2022 11:58 AM (/EuRN)

458 Technically, I think that's a German car now -- BMW owns it. Coopers are serviced at BMW dealers, anyway.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius
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British, German. Neither one of them can speak.decent English!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Summer of Our Discontent n at August 08, 2022


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Don't mention the war!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 08, 2022 11:58 AM (txdEq)

459 Hmmm... Why not just live in a big city? No downsides, there.

You can always tell which Leftists are childless (it's a lot of them).

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 08, 2022 11:58 AM (IXpV7)

460 And BBB Ver 2.2 Scamalicious! Keeps the $7500 for the next 10 years!

Posted by: rhennigantx at August 08, 2022 11:59 AM (BRHaw)

461
Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 08, 2022 11:57 AM (MFphb)

_________

Thanks.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 08, 2022 11:59 AM (1Nxff)

462 Some reports say Heche was driving a Mini Clubman, which I assume is a more flammable subspecies of a Mini Cooper.

Posted by: In Case Of gp, Break Glass at August 08, 2022 11:59 AM (qpX6U)

463 459 Hmmm... Why not just live in a big city? No downsides, there.

You can always tell which Leftists are childless (it's a lot of them).
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 08, 2022 11:58 AM (IXpV7)

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Probably still terrified of covid, too, but won't admit that living on top of a bunch of other people increases the chances of catching a respiratory disease.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 11:59 AM (LvTSG)

464 "But they are simply not an option for people who do not have the budget for a second car that’s limited to in-town driving"

Yep, this is how I know you know what you're talking about. EVERY family I know with an EV has multiple ICE vehicles to pick up where the EV leaves off.

They generally love having the EV but it's a luxury, and certainly a status symbol.

The whole point of the EV hype is that they don't intend to solve the scaling problem for chargers, etc. It's a tool to help end private vehicle ownership. Which, of course, isn't going to work; if push comes to shove, we have wells in red areas, and refineries in red areas, and we will be driving technicals before assenting to a ban on vehicle ownership.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at August 08, 2022 12:00 PM (TZivQ)

465 And btw that Asian Knife Ninja Dude from the sidebar last night deserves his own post. Wow. Carved that little prick up like a roast. Does it make me a bad person if I smiled while watching the video?
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 08, 2022 11:45 AM (iFTx/)

Ummmmmmmmm....No.
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But, publicly announcing the pleasure you derived therefrom, tisk tisk.

Posted by: I'm looking over my half glasses and wagging my finger at August 08, 2022 12:00 PM (iBlwQ)

466 Steam powered cars were once a real thing and considered the future. This was 100 years ago. You can google it. Actually quite interesting because at the time they did not suffer from some of the major problems that gas-powered cars then did.

Jay Leno has several working models that he's shown off on Jay Leno's Garage, and he sometimes drives them around LA.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 08, 2022 12:00 PM (ZGrMX)

467 It's has a surprisingly complex sound design. Most first sound films from established directors of the period are awkward as fuck, at best. Lang took his time to learn and experiment. He was still limited by only one sound at a time (primitive sound mixing didn't start for another couple of years), but what he accomplishes with that is actually kind of draw-dropping.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 11:56 AM (LvTSG)

I love his visuals in Dr. Mabuse: The Gambler too. The hypnotic suggestion words appearing on the card table...that was really, really neat.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 08, 2022 12:00 PM (XvPQV)

468 Trains are diesel electric primarily to avoid having an enormous transmission. They don't have batteries.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 08, 2022 12:00 PM (Y5qcH)

469 VAG is the biggest auto company in the world. Yes I said VAG.

Wolkswagen Auto Group

They own VW, Audi, Porsche, Bentley, Lamborghini, Skoda and a few others.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 08, 2022 12:00 PM (3vQN0)

470 397 Was Robson that bad? Because my initial instincts were: I could vote for Lake, but not Robson, in the general.
Posted by: Blanco Basura
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Robson is the reach around type of Republican in the grand style of John McVain. Ducey, Pence, and the usual suspects all wanted Robson (in part for her elderly sugar daddy billionaire husband's bucks). Professional loser Republican campaign staffs start drooling when figuring out how to get millions of bucks for running a shitty campaign. They did the same thing in GA with Loeffler being tapped as Senator to fill in. Her hubby owns the NY Stock Exchange among other things but she had absolutely no compelling story, no charisma, and sucked at campaigning and ethics regarding investments while in Congress. Perfect GOPe hack appointed by Gov. ConKemptable and of course she went down without a struggle in 2020.

Posted by: whig at August 08, 2022 12:00 PM (CXr4y)

471 Question for the gearheads here. Would diesel-electric work in long-haul trucks?
Posted by: Hadrian

If it could they would be doing it. Probably too unreliable for a machine that drives a million miles.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 08, 2022 11:38 AM (R8uWY)

They should try it on rails first, reducing the problem of wasted energy from stop and go driving.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 08, 2022 12:00 PM (U3uv2)

472 Some reports say Heche was driving a Mini Clubman, which I assume is a more flammable subspecies of a Mini Cooper.

Clubman is the station wagon version. It's not specifically more flammable, but if you hit a house at 50+ MPH all bets are off.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 08, 2022 12:01 PM (ZGrMX)

473 Another look at atomic cars?

Posted by: Weasel at August 08, 2022 12:01 PM (0IeYL)

474 Travel and towing with EVs is just a temporary problem, solvable by changing the definitions with numerous asterisks.
This is the reality we live in, right?

Posted by: Coki at August 08, 2022 12:01 PM (uHkp1)

475 It's has a surprisingly complex sound design. Most first sound films from established directors of the period are awkward as fuck, at best. Lang took his time to learn and experiment. He was still limited by only one sound at a time (primitive sound mixing didn't start for another couple of years), but what he accomplishes with that is actually kind of draw-dropping. Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Amen.

Posted by: Lost In Space at August 08, 2022 12:01 PM (FF+On)

476 398 Does it make me a bad person if I smiled while watching the video?

I fear, along with everyone else here, that we'll see more and more of this as cops either will not or cannot do their jobs, and prosecutors refuse to prosecute. What are shop owners supposed to do, if the tax dollars they pay won't protect them?

Not the Bee has a bit up about how in New York CIty ever since they changed their laws, 10 career criminals have been arrested 485 combined times.

https://tinyurl.com/5ed9yyjd

They get busted, they get processed, they walk free. If the law won't handle things, people will on their own or as a group.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 08, 2022 11:50 AM (Ivdso)
____________________

That's exactly what's happening. If law enforcement won't do their jobs, then private citizens will . . . and we're not going to like the results. Personally, I don't understand why deadly force isn't automatically allowed when someone breaks into your home or business. You'll stop almost all theft that way. But somewhere along the line we've come to accept that theft should be tolerated if not encouraged.

Posted by: Elric Blade at August 08, 2022 12:01 PM (iFTx/)

477 Clubman is just a 4 door version of the Mini. Those are pretty cool little cars. They weigh little and have a relatively a high performance engine.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 08, 2022 12:01 PM (3vQN0)

478 473 Another look at atomic cars?
Posted by: Weasel at August 08, 2022 12:01 PM (0IeYL)

I've never in my life felt the need to be *that* punctual....

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 08, 2022 12:01 PM (/EuRN)

479 Hitler invaded the USSR the following month, and the American Communist Party furiously retrieved and destroyed all the copies of the album they could find at distributors and record stores.

Kind of like how the commie unions kept sabotaging ship building in the NY docks until the day that Hitler invaded the USSR. Then suddenly all the sabotage stopped, like magic!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 08, 2022 12:01 PM (Ivdso)

480 Some reports say Heche was driving a Mini Clubman, which I assume is a more flammable subspecies of a Mini Cooper.
Posted by: In Case Of gp, Break Glass at August 08, 2022


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The Clubman is slightly larger than the Mini, like a miniature station wagon. Twin doors at the back like an old-style ambulance, but scaled down. Great for transporting animals in carriers to the vet, I suppose.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 08, 2022 12:02 PM (txdEq)

481 " 459 Hmmm... Why not just live in a big city? No downsides, there.

You can always tell which Leftists are childless (it's a lot of them).
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 08, 2022 11:58 AM (IXpV7)"

I have a bunch of peers that keep getting confused as to why I don't move into their neighborhood. The same one with daily stabbings/shootings, break-ins, thousands of homeless, shit all over the streets, and drug use in broad daylight. Oh yeah that's totally where I want my kids growing up, you twats.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at August 08, 2022 12:02 PM (TZivQ)

482 467 I love his visuals in Dr. Mabuse: The Gambler too. The hypnotic suggestion words appearing on the card table...that was really, really neat.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 08, 2022 12:00 PM (XvPQV)

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I think all new directors should direct a silent feature with as few intertitles as possible as an experiment. Sure, David Mamet can direct adaptations of his own plays which are heavily dialogue based, but even he can learn something from needing to tell a story purely visually.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 12:02 PM (LvTSG)

483 I knew that's what locomotives use. I was wondering why diesel-electric hasn't migrated further and it seemed like semis would be a candidate.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 08, 2022 11:48 AM (1Nxff)

My guess is the diesel-electric combo would be to big or too heavy to fit into the semi tractor's form factor.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 08, 2022 12:02 PM (WUD7S)

484 diesel-electric hasn't migrated further and it seemed like semis would be a candidate.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 08, 2022 11:48 AM (1Nxff)

I'm guessing plenty of engineers have looked into it and decided that it's not efficient enough until you get to the extra large size used in locomotives.


Rail diesel electric is a transmission not a hybrid.
Trains would need to many gear speeds to keep in efficient RPM range

Posted by: DaveA at August 08, 2022 12:02 PM (FhXTo)

485 LOL. The commie Almanac Singers (including Pete Seeger, and Woody Guthrie) put out an album of anti-war songs (Songs for John Doe) in May 1941 denouncing American militarism.

Hitler invaded the USSR the following month, and the American Communist Party furiously retrieved and destroyed all the copies of the album they could find at distributors and record stores. Party members were ordered to turn in their albums so they could be destroyed.

The Almanac Singers then quickly wrote and recorded a new album of pro-war songs.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 08, 2022 11:56 AM (I2/tG)

The NPC's vote counts just as much as mine does.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 08, 2022 12:02 PM (44ww/)

486 Bradley Grinder is a man

Posted by: REDACTED at August 08, 2022 12:02 PM (us2H3)

487 Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 08, 2022 11:57 AM (MFphb)

One reason for diesel-electric in trains and ships is the issue of a transmission for the huge diesels that they need. Running a generator is much easier than running wheels or propellers.

Plus, they can optimize the diesel for the most efficient use of fuel at a single speed.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 08, 2022 12:02 PM (XIJ/X)

488 What if the gas and diesel lobby paid anteefers or somesuch group to sabotage the EV chargers? That has me deeply worried. Deeply.

Posted by: Coki at August 08, 2022 12:03 PM (uHkp1)

489 473 Another look at atomic cars?
Posted by: Weasel at August 08, 2022 12:01 PM (0IeYL)

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Only if the end goal is a Mr. Fusion -type fuel source.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at August 08, 2022 12:03 PM (RFKzk)

490 Coming soon, NYT headline

EPA rules that battery fires are good for the environment.

Posted by: Darth Randall at August 08, 2022 12:03 PM (xcmSe)

491 Perfect and expand the boat-car. Then the flying car. Then the atomic car.

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 08, 2022 12:03 PM (4I/2K)

492 When Nascar goes full EV, they'll be pitting every 9 laps and races will last 15 hours.

Posted by: WeBoned! at August 08, 2022 12:03 PM (8k7U7)

493
The CPUSA was not - repeat, not - some group of idealistic liberals dedicated to social justice. They were Stalin's lickspittle toadies who faithfilly followed every twist and turn from Moscow.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 08, 2022 12:04 PM (1Nxff)

494 NYT headline

How White Supremacy is causing EV fires

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 08, 2022 12:04 PM (3vQN0)

495 492 When Nascar goes full EV, they'll be pitting every 9 laps and races will last 15 hours.
Posted by: WeBoned! at August 08, 2022 12:03 PM (8k7U7)

They'll probably go to an F1 style full-car swap-out sooner or later.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 08, 2022 12:04 PM (/EuRN)

496 It's time for the progressives to Follow the Science and colonize Mars.

Posted by: Coki at August 08, 2022 12:04 PM (uHkp1)

497 There's a zillion Teslas in my neighborhood, and only one I know of that parks in the garage. Yeah, pay for a fancy-ass garage with frosted glass doors, and park that sucker outside so you don't burn it down.

I mentioned in the first world problem thread yesterday a YT video about some poor shlub who bought a used S model Tesla, with a "90" battery (this is all Greek to me) so that means he had like 90% effective range. He took it in to the dealer for service, they found an "error" that he should have had a smaller battery in that particular car. So, they kill like 30% of his battery. He's got the weight, he's got the battery, but he can no longer access it. Unless of course, he pays a penalty fee.

https://youtu.be/87poTGAasbE

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at August 08, 2022 12:04 PM (zB/T/)

498 "Don't forget almost 23 million Russians died protecting you and me from the Nazi menace."

and that doesn't count the ~5 million they starved to death in Ukraine in the Holodomor, also to help form their perfect communist nation.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 08, 2022 12:05 PM (Cus5s)

499 The commie Almanac Singers (including Pete Seeger, and Woody Guthrie) put out an album of anti-war songs (Songs for John Doe) in May 1941 denouncing American militarism.

I saw a great YouTube video this weekend with TV/stage actor Clifton Duncan interviewing Razorfist about Hollywood communism. I like Razor's rants but he's even better when he's just info-dumping. Everything we were taught in school about HUAC and McCarthy is wrong.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 08, 2022 12:05 PM (ZGrMX)

500 496 It's time for the progressives to Follow the Science and colonize Mars.
Posted by: Coki at August 08, 2022 12:04 PM (uHkp1)

Send all the gays to Uranus.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 08, 2022 12:05 PM (Y5qcH)

501 "451 The Russians only stopped the Nazis on their front because we were pouring in supplies and because they stopped slaughtering their Generals because of internal Russian politics.

Stalin more than once threatened to come to terms with the Nazis if we didn't: give him more free shit, open a second Western Front, let him keep and control the territory the Red Army seized.

Fuck Roger Waters. Wish he was dead.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 08, 2022 11:56 AM (XvPQV)"

Patton was right. We should have done a better job at ensuring both the Germans and Soviets lost. It would have been doing a huge favor to the survivors in both.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at August 08, 2022 12:05 PM (TZivQ)

502 Bradley Grinder is a man
Posted by: REDACTED at August 08, 2022 12:02 PM (us2H3)


Well, yeah.

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 08, 2022 12:05 PM (DRSnL)

503 Pete Seeger was around in 1941? I remember seeing him on The Smothers Brothers Show in 1968 or so, doing "Waist Deep in the Big Muddy." He seemed ancient then. (Disclaimer: I was in high school, so what'd I know)

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 08, 2022 12:05 PM (txdEq)

504 Sure, David Mamet can direct adaptations of his own plays which are heavily dialogue based, but even he can learn something from needing to tell a story purely visually.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 12:02 PM (LvTSG)

If you don't own it, buy his book 'The Three Uses of the Knife', really good examination of drama in storytelling.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 08, 2022 12:06 PM (XvPQV)

505 They were Stalin's lickspittle toadies who faithfilly followed every twist and turn from Moscow.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 08, 2022 12:04 PM (1Nxff)

And they recruited thousands of useful idiots who loved the idealism of communism and were too stupid to understand the reality of it.

Their grandkids are still living and breathing that stupidity.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 08, 2022 12:06 PM (XIJ/X)

506 I think all new directors should direct a silent feature with as few intertitles as possible as an experiment

Chaplin and Keaton had a competition going on for who could do the movie with the fewest word cards. I think Chaplin won, but you could tell they were about the images and telling the story without needing the narrator. That's an important skill to learn.

I always though Chaplin was really overrated, personally.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 08, 2022 12:06 PM (Ivdso)

507 It takes energy to get water from room temperature to 212F, then a lot more energy to get it to boil at that temperature.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 08, 2022 11:54 AM (1Nxff)
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And so much of it just wasted through conduction and convection. There's nothing more efficient than transferring combustion directly to physical motion. You can do whatever you want with that motion (generate electricity or transfer it into different kinetic energy) and only suffer minimal loses, locally.

That's why petroleum-based energy sources are the most energy-dense, especially when the energy that goes into extracting it is considered. We will never get away from the need to use petroleum, and there's no good reason to think we do, which is why they have to make up a gigantic hoax frighten people into it.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at August 08, 2022 12:06 PM (Y206u)

508 NPC votes count 2 or 3 times in certain Dem run jurisdictions. Even if they don’t actually vote.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 08, 2022 12:06 PM (3vQN0)

509 I agree, and you can carry a lot more batteries on a rig like that than a sedan.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 08, 2022 11:51 AM (Ivdso)

Diesel-electric locomotives aren't hybrids. They have batteries to crank the engines, that's it. Diesel drives a big generator, generator feeds the traction motors.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 08, 2022 12:06 PM (WUD7S)

510

Battery technology is shit. I can kill four d cells in 17 minutes...

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at August 08, 2022 12:06 PM (1IB5G)

511 How about compressed air cars? Air is free. It sounds great! Mandate them by law now!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 08, 2022 12:06 PM (R8uWY)

512 "Perfect and expand the boat-car. Then the flying car. Then the atomic car."

As long as there are Anne Heches, probably better to stop car progress right here.

Posted by: In Case Of gp, Break Glass at August 08, 2022 12:06 PM (qpX6U)

513
My guess is the diesel-electric combo would be to big or too heavy to fit into the semi tractor's form factor.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 08, 2022 12:02 PM (WUD7S)

_________

I think I found an answer. Since semi rigs have weight limitations, it's a zero-sum. The increased engine weight would have to be offset by a smaller load size. The fuel savings aren't enough to make that economical.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 08, 2022 12:06 PM (1Nxff)

514 I saw a great YouTube video this weekend with TV/stage actor Clifton Duncan interviewing Razorfist about Hollywood communism. I like Razor's rants but he's even better when he's just info-dumping. Everything we were taught in school about HUAC and McCarthy is wrong.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 08, 2022 12:05 PM (ZGrMX)

I've been a fan of Razorfist for a long time. I actually prefer his rants to his streams....just don't get him talking about Lincoln. (No Confederate newspaper editor could hate him more) I cringe so hard I think I hurt myself.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 08, 2022 12:07 PM (XvPQV)

515 498 "Don't forget almost 23 million Russians died protecting you and me from the Nazi menace."

and that doesn't count the ~5 million they starved to death in Ukraine in the Holodomor, also to help form their perfect communist nation.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 08, 2022 12:05 PM (Cus5s)

The Russian army also had "barrier troops", whose role was to shoot their own fleeing soldiers. Brutal, nasty time and place.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 08, 2022 12:07 PM (b2nrj)

516 When I was under 29 and still living in AZ, the state passed what was casually known as the "stupid motorist law". During monsoon season there's always several yahoos who try to drive through flooded streets. The legislature decided that these people would be invoiced for their rescue.

Let's see if FL will be the first state to pass the "EV pyro law".

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 08, 2022 12:08 PM (llON8)

517 They'll probably go to an F1 style full-car swap-out sooner or later.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 08, 2022 12:04 PM (/EuRN)

F1 does that now? Had no idea that was the case.

Posted by: WeBoned! at August 08, 2022 12:08 PM (8k7U7)

518 Wasn’t nascar supposed to be cars that you factually buy? Is that still the case? Stock car.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 08, 2022 12:08 PM (3vQN0)

519 511 How about compressed air cars? Air is free. It sounds great! Mandate them by law now!
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 08, 2022 12:06 PM (R8uWY)

It's been done. All sorts of propulsion ideas have been made. My personal favorite was the "gas bag" cars.

Why not, the Hindenburg was such a good idea.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 08, 2022 12:08 PM (Y5qcH)

520 Pretty sure battery fires are class D fires and water shouldn't be used.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe

May we throw liberals on it ?

Posted by: JT at August 08, 2022 12:08 PM (T4tVD)

521 "Don't forget almost 23 million Russians died protecting you and me from the Nazi menace."

and that doesn't count the ~5 million they starved to death in Ukraine in the Holodomor, also to help form their perfect communist nation.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 08, 2022 12:05 PM (Cus5s)
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Nor does it count the 60 million more who died in forced labor camps or in random roundups to drive the Terrorocracy - simply to build the Soviet Union out of nothing.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at August 08, 2022 12:08 PM (Y206u)

522 BMW Fun Fact: The Quandt famioly still owns about 40 percent of BMW, making them the riches family in Germany. Josef Goebbels' wife Magda was previously known as Magda Quandt since her first marriage was to one of the Quandt family heirs.

BMW became hugely successful supplying aircraft engines to the Third Reich. It had its own concentration camps where slaves were used to make batteries. They were preferred because they could handle toxic battery materials without the need for any type of protection.

Oddly, these facts do not appear in most BMW brochures.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 08, 2022 12:08 PM (XG2Fi)

523 He took it in to the dealer for service, they found an "error" that he should have had a smaller battery in that particular car. So, they kill like 30% of his battery. He's got the weight, he's got the battery, but he can no longer access it. Unless of course, he pays a penalty fee.

There are third parties that can reprogram the Tesla computer to give you that back, or in some cases more capacity/top speed. Naturally that voids your warranty, and over-the-air updates may get upset about it, but they've managed to keep ahead of Tesla so far there. (It's a lot like breaking copy protection).

Posted by: Ian S. at August 08, 2022 12:09 PM (ZGrMX)

524
My favorite thing about the CPUSA was when (in 2012, I think) they said "we're not running a candidate. Our members should vote for Obama."

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 08, 2022 12:09 PM (IXpV7)

525 Diesel-electric is just to get torque at zero rpm, which electric does well and gas does not. If you don't need all that torque down low, then it's a waste.

Posted by: quantum mechanic at August 08, 2022 12:09 PM (vcv8B)

526 506 Chaplin and Keaton had a competition going on for who could do the movie with the fewest word cards. I think Chaplin won, but you could tell they were about the images and telling the story without needing the narrator. That's an important skill to learn.

I always though Chaplin was really overrated, personally.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 08, 2022 12:06 PM (Ivdso)

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The two are very different. Chaplin is manipulative (I like it), and Keaton is more dispassionate. My favorite of the big three is Lloyd, though.

Murnau hated intertitles, and Sunrise uses less and less as the movie goes on until there are none for the final long stretch of the film.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 12:09 PM (LvTSG)

527 F1 does that now? Had no idea that was the case.
Posted by: WeBoned! at August 08, 2022 12:08 PM (8k7U7)

I think so? I don't know. My buddy watches it. I stopped watching back in the early '00s.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 08, 2022 12:09 PM (/EuRN)

528 'Anne Heche, 77, was severely injured today in the crash of her Metatesla atomic flying car near Mendocino.'

Posted by: In Case Of gp, Break Glass at August 08, 2022 12:09 PM (qpX6U)

529 >>> 473 Another look at atomic cars?
Posted by: Weasel at August 08, 2022 12:01 PM (0IeYL)

Weasel Johnson is right! Where the fck are our Mr Fusion powered cars?!

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 08, 2022 12:09 PM (llON8)

530 I remember when I lived without a vehicle. Mommy and Daddy fed me, paid for my housing, and carried me where I needed to go.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Gas demand is below pandemic levels at August 08, 2022 11:41 AM (Vgkya)

Leftist utopia. Too bad daddy left, because momma was a whore, who blamed junior for daddy leaving.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 08, 2022 12:10 PM (U3uv2)

531 Someone needs to ask Waters how many time he performed in the USSR before the wall came down.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 08, 2022 12:10 PM (5pTK/)

532 My home town went to all natural gas busses and while they sound odd, they seem to work really well and run cheaper than diesel.

But of course, that's another "fossil fuel" so its eeevil despite the huge abundance of natural gas in the USA.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 08, 2022 12:10 PM (Ivdso)

533
One reason for diesel-electric in trains and ships is the issue of a transmission for the huge diesels that they need. Running a generator is much easier than running wheels or propellers.

Plus, they can optimize the diesel for the most efficient use of fuel at a single speed.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 08, 2022 12:02 PM (XIJ/X

Excellent. Thanks for the info. The diesel part I knew, the electric part... not so much. The railroad guys I knew are dead, so can't axe them.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 08, 2022 12:11 PM (MFphb)

534 The commenters replying to the WSJ piece are well-to-do progressives, saying things like "plan better" and "buy a better EV ..." blah-blah-blah

Posted by: Coki at August 08, 2022 12:11 PM (uHkp1)

535 Objection! EVs are NOT status symbol cars AS MUCH as they are for virtue signaling.

EVs are EXTREMELY impractical where I live.

(I’m getting sick of Hertz adverts where they club me over the head about their EV rental fleet.)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 08, 2022 12:11 PM (4Xhwa)

536 >>> 496 It's time for the progressives to Follow the Science and colonize Mars Venus.
Posted by: Coki at August 08, 2022 12:04 PM (uHkp1)

They are SMAHHHHHRRT and know how to fix glowball warmening, right?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 08, 2022 12:11 PM (llON8)

537 (I’m getting sick of Hertz adverts where they club me over the head about their EV rental fleet.)
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 08, 2022 12:11 PM (4Xhwa)

Now you can burn to death in someone *else's* car!!!!

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 08, 2022 12:11 PM (/EuRN)

538 My favorite of the big three is Lloyd, though.

Yeah, me too. Lloyd was likable and fun and daring. Keaton's stoneface schtick worked well but Lloyd you just want to cheer for. Sadly he couldn't transition into talkies despite trying. Seemed to me like he'd have the easiest time of them all but I don't think directors knew what to do with him.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 08, 2022 12:12 PM (Ivdso)

539 It's past Noon. Do you know where your head Ewok is?

Posted by: mindful webworker - AoSHQPSA at August 08, 2022 12:12 PM (ynmtz)

540 Now you can burn to death in someone *else's* car!!!!
Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 08, 2022 12:11 PM (/EuRN)
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Probably need to install the Hertz tracking app on your phone to use the car, too.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 08, 2022 12:12 PM (5pTK/)

541 I think Ace is attempting reentry!

Posted by: Q at August 08, 2022 12:13 PM (yikp0)

542 524
My favorite thing about the CPUSA was when (in 2012, I think) they said "we're not running a candidate. Our members should vote for Obama."
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 08, 2022 12:09 PM (IXpV7)

Aren't they one of the commie orgs that is still Russian aligned?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 08, 2022 12:13 PM (b2nrj)

543 And remember, “working class” is a term that reminds us that hyper-evil rich people simply do not work, and they need to be brutally, violently killed.

I never thought I’d see the day when conservatives would sound like envy addled, hate filled Leftists, but here we are.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 08, 2022 12:13 PM (4Xhwa)

544 This nic usually gets a nood.

Posted by: gp's Nood-Stimulating Comment at August 08, 2022 12:13 PM (qpX6U)

545 That means 'nood', BTW.

Posted by: Q at August 08, 2022 12:13 PM (yikp0)

546
Probably need to install the Hertz tracking app on your phone to use the car, too.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 08, 2022 12:12 PM (5pTK/)

I wouldn't do that. Hertz and Big Cop were falsely imprisoning people for awhile, based on bad reporting of stolen rentals in the Hertz system.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 08, 2022 12:14 PM (IXpV7)

547 Excellent. Thanks for the info. The diesel part I knew, the electric part... not so much. The railroad guys I knew are dead, so can't axe them.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 08, 2022 12:11 PM (MFphb)

Toyota was working on a free piston engine/generator that I thought was interesting. This was for car applications, but it would technically be a gasoline-electric.

Not sure what came of it.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 08, 2022 12:14 PM (Y5qcH)

548 Ewok summoned!
https://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=400377
Wray

Posted by: mindful webworker - AoSHQ traffic control at August 08, 2022 12:14 PM (ynmtz)

549 I think Ace is attempting reentry!
Posted by: Q at August 08, 2022 12:13 PM (yikp0)

I get that reference.

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 08, 2022 12:14 PM (4I/2K)

550 Nood!

Posted by: gp's Nood-Stimulating Comment at August 08, 2022 12:14 PM (qpX6U)

551 There are third parties that can reprogram the Tesla computer to give you that back, or in some cases more capacity/top speed. Naturally that voids your warranty, and over-the-air updates may get upset about it, but they've managed to keep ahead of Tesla so far there. (It's a lot like breaking copy protection).
Posted by: Ian S. at August 08, 2022 12:09 PM (ZGrMX)


Why I'd never pay $150k for a rolling iPad. Every damned thing in those cars has to be accessed via the "tablet" and they can brick your car in the middle of the night. And, knowing how Apple's new business model works, I have to wonder just how many years they've determined they'll let these things roll around before they need to be taken off the streets for a new model. I know the Tesla fans are enamored with the tech. I'd look anyplace else first if I had to get an EV.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at August 08, 2022 12:14 PM (zB/T/)

552 Maybe if all you ever towed was a trailer full of batteries, you could extend your range?

Posted by: red speck at August 08, 2022 12:14 PM (gS3OW)

553 Roger Waters has always been a knucklehead, but he can put out some great music. He is all in for the palestinian terrorists against the hated Joo as well.

The problem is for guys with small minds and little historical knowledge, Hitler is the Worst Thing Ever, and hence anyone fighting Hitler is a Good Guy.

Both the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany were horrendous evils that anyone moral and just would oppose immediately.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 08, 2022 12:14 PM (Ivdso)

554
Problems will be solved with vanadium flow battery.

Posted by: Thieving Chinese Communist at August 08, 2022 12:15 PM (5owXX)

555 And it is working on GenZ. The percent of teens with a license has been dropping since the mid 2000s.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 08, 2022 11:44 AM (3vQN0)

Seems like a ripe opportunity to mine the ass, gas, or grass markets for an enterprising GenZer.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 08, 2022 12:15 PM (U3uv2)

556 If law enforcement won't do their jobs, then private citizens will . . . and we're criminals are not going to like the results.
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 08, 2022 12:01 PM (iFTx/)
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Remember that laws are in place to protect *criminals.*

I'm perfectly fine with removing lowlife scum from the gene pool.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 08, 2022 12:15 PM (YIVH2)

557 At this point, I'd settle for my childhood dream: a life-size AFX car track -- you car rides in a slot with two electrodes touching electrified rails embedded in the pavement, and a centrally located pin on the front make the car "self-driving." (Magna-traction would be optional.) Of course, cleaning the carpet lint out of the gears of a full size car would be a pain in the ass.

Posted by: red speck at August 08, 2022 12:16 PM (gS3OW)

558 see you later

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 08, 2022 12:17 PM (yikp0)

559 Essentially, capitalists found a way to provide energy that was not generated from coal, via making natural gas cheap. This dramatically lowered emissions and actually saved money, and provided a superior power source.

The environmentalists could not stand the idea of cheap energy for the masses, so they are trying to outlaw natural gas. It has nothing to do with the environment, it is about control. This proves it.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 08, 2022 12:17 PM (lTGtQ)

560 Posted by: whig

Nice, but you attributed blake's quote, to which I was responding, to me.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com - Email for morons. at August 08, 2022 12:18 PM (Bd6X8)

561 Tinyurl.com/teslalies

A little dated, but still good

Posted by: Scottst at August 08, 2022 12:21 PM (nEDaf)

562 Calling it "Green, Clean and Safe". I believe in nuclear power I just do not trust the players pushing it right now. Something stinks.

Posted by: JROD at August 08, 2022 11:47 AM (0jZnq)

The next big graft horizon.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 08, 2022 12:21 PM (U3uv2)

563 298 Exactly. Sid gets it The problem isn’t the cars, it’s you rubes who insist in living far from the urban culture we insist that you enjoy. And why would anyone drive long distances? That’s what private planes are for. *sniffs haughtily *

Posted by: YOur betters. at August 08, 2022 11:36 AM (Ed8Zd)

Yeah, move to the city, where all your neighbors are Sids and Karens...paradise.
Posted by: BignJames at August 08, 2022 11:39 AM (AwYPR)

=========

You mean in close to proximity to everyone who has covid?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 08, 2022 11:40 AM (LvTSG)

That, dear boy, is why we insist that YOU wear masks, get vaccinated, and comply with the endless boosters!

Posted by: Your betters at August 08, 2022 12:24 PM (Ed8Zd)

564 Kudzu was brought in to help with soil stabilization. I think you can eat the shoots, too, and it was sold as a fodder plant.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 08, 2022 12:27 PM (xhaym)

565 " It required a separate tanker truck of water to be dispatched to be able to finally extinguish the burning EV."

Just think of all the gas you'll spend towing all that water around! Better make the tanker trucks EV.

Posted by: Joe, living dangerously at August 08, 2022 12:33 PM (LZpcP)

566 I was going to be a compliant citizen and get an EV. Ford F150e...available Summer of 2023. GMC Sierra 1500 e available Fall 2023. Oh wait. Tesla. Put a large down payment and we will contact you October or November about available models. This is only getting worse. Governments from Feds to local dog catcher are required by various local and federal laws to have EV fleets. So...push back on the above dates a year or two. So, if you really really want you can get an EV by 2024.

Posted by: Mr.Know.It.All at August 08, 2022 12:56 PM (DE2zb)

567 Maybe you're wrong. do more research on TESLA.

TESLA on the way to selling 2M cars next year and growing 50% per year. Has a waiting list of 6-9 months. The drive is incredible. Soon, coming out with cybertruck and semi.
There are millions of people with a different take on this.
IMHO

Posted by: JoeNYC at August 08, 2022 01:42 PM (sX15q)

568 People push back when you write about EVs because you clearly do not understand the technology, and are frankly just flat wrong about EVs being unviable.

You have a much, much, much stronger case in complaining about the subsidies. So complain about the subsidies.

Posted by: RichieC at August 08, 2022 01:47 PM (DxBF0)

569 TESLA has no union, has more % production in America than the big automakers and spends ZERO on advertising. So the MEDIA hates them.
You cannot follow what the media reports, most stories on TESLA is similar to the TRUMP RUSSIA RUSSIA lie.

I'm a conservative, I'm not a fan of climate change alarmism, but TESLA is the real deal.

Posted by: JoeNYC at August 08, 2022 01:48 PM (sX15q)

570 I don't have time right this minute to spend, so I haven't read through the over 560 messages in the thread.

But here's my position as a Moron who owns two electric cars:

Electric cars are the future. Most people will want one soon. There's no need to subsidize them any further though. And, electric car fires are not really a big problem.

Electric cars are simpler than gas cars, so they cost less once you own one. The big problem is they cost more up front. Costs have been falling and in a couple of years electric cars will cost less than gas cars. At that point, most people who are spending their own money will prefer to buy an electric car. No subsidies needed.

It's important to have a good charging network. We already have one; it was built by Tesla. Tesla seems to be the only company that understands that it's good to build more than two or four chargers in one location... Tesla has on average about ten per location.

Electric cars do catch on fire... but much less often than gas cars do. Gas cars have gallons of gasoline which burns easily.

I have driven a Tesla on a long road trip, and it was fine. I would do it again.

Posted by: mr_jack at August 08, 2022 02:02 PM (57l0O)

571 I get paid more than $85 every hour for working on the web. I found out about this activity 3 months prior and subsequent to joining this I have earned effectively $15k from this without having internet working abilities

Copy underneath the site to check it.. http://www.salarycash1.com

Posted by: Sarah at August 08, 2022 02:28 PM (PZef2)

572 Gas cars still have a lot more fires per vehicle sold than electric ones. Gasoline vapors will always be an issue.

https://tinyurl.com/ys6j29x7

Electric cars aren't the problem. Having them shoved up our noses by government while they try to destroy the gasoline car industry is the problem.

Posted by: TB at August 08, 2022 02:36 PM (LJrwl)

573 Don't forget that the green weenies want our military to switch over to electric vehicles.

Scenario: We go into Country X (for whatever reason). We're limited to perhaps 200 miles per day, at which point we hunker down for the night to recharge all our crap. Oh, wait -- we're in another Third World shithole™ which has no recharging infrastructure? No problem -- we'll just fire up a big bunch of diesel generators we brought along just for this purpose.

Exit question: if we have to drag along s bunch of diesel generators, why not just keep our current fossil fuels fleet to begin with?

Oh, wait -- can't hurt Gaia!

Posted by: Occasional Commenter at August 08, 2022 04:07 PM (GXBIW)

574 I sound like a terrible bore on this issue, but people keep writing about mass EV adoption as if we had some choice in the matter. We don't. This has already been decided for us. Because of the long lead time necessary for designing and manufacturing vehicles, this is all locked in. Ten years from now, it will be very hard to buy a new vehicle that isn't an EV. 15 years from now it will be almost impossible. This isn't a "might happen," it's already happened.

And this isn't a case of "the market deciding." This is entirely due to government mandates. In fact, there is increasing panic among major car companies about what will happen if the public refuses en masse to buy EVs, because all of their business plans for the next 20 years are premised on the idea that everyone is going to start buying huge numbers of EVs starting right now. If the mass adoption of EVs fails -- and I think it will -- THERE IS NO PLAN B OR PLAN C. This is a disaster happening in slow motion before our very eyes.

Posted by: Ex-liberal at August 08, 2022 04:26 PM (XdH1u)

575 "from Washington DC to upstate New York"
"At each charging stop, in Virginia, Pennsylvania, and New York"

Well, it might not be only his planning at fault, but I see a BIG problem in that planning, if he went from DC to NY (a NORTHward trip) by going SOUTH into Virginia first.

Posted by: GWB at August 08, 2022 05:38 PM (o61E1)

576 #574 Ex-liberal:

> this isn't a case of "the market deciding." This is entirely due to government mandates.

I've been following electric car news for a few years, and I have the opposite conclusion. The old car companies like GM aren't ready for electric cars, they are in a world of hurt and most of them will die. The ones that don't die might be a shadow of their former selves.

Elon Musk has claimed that the big car companies never wanted electric cars because they make so much money on repairs to gas cars, and the gas cars need replacing after 100 thousand miles or so. A quality electric car should need much less repairs and should last well past 100 thousand miles. (Musk claims that a Model 3 should drive for "a million miles" but I wouldn't take that literally.)

Car executives like the CEO of GM are talking as if they have lots of time before the switchover to electric cars happens. They promise to be all electric by 2040 or something like that. The market is speaking now, and by 2030 at latest if a company isn't selling electric cars that company will die.

And if a company can't sell electric cars at a profit, that company will also die.

Posted by: mr_jack at August 08, 2022 06:37 PM (57l0O)

577 The "don't say inflation" mega-spending bill contains tax credits for electric cars, but the credits are written in such a way as to give maximum benefit to gas car manufacturers.

Actual electric cars need big batteries. A gas car maker can make a "hybrid" which is a gas car with a tiny battery, and can still get a tax credit as an "electric car" under the new bill. This is entirely to prop up these failing huge companies. They didn't plan ahead and don't have enough batteries. How convenient if they only need tiny batteries, and can still get some use out of their engine production lines. A hybrid car is really a gas car and they are all set to build gas cars.

Since Tesla is ramping up production and cutting down costs, they are going to be ready when the switchover to electric cars happens. Companies like GM won't be. Better hope that politicians don't shovel huge piles of money to try to save GM and the other dinosaurs when that day comes.

Posted by: mr_jack at August 08, 2022 06:44 PM (57l0O)

578 Dose Biden the Bumbler want to force everyone to drive one of those four wheel Death Traps?

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at August 08, 2022 06:58 PM (wGqjj)

579 #578 Tamaa:

> Dose Biden the Bumbler want to force everyone to drive one of those four wheel Death Traps?

No, he wants to keep getting sweet sweet money from the auto unions. He hates Tesla, which has no unions. He gives GM credit for causing the electric car revolution, not Tesla.

(We'll pretend that Biden wants anything, rather than just reading whatever they put on the Teleprompter.)

Posted by: mr_jack at August 08, 2022 07:40 PM (57l0O)

580 I have a hybrid Tucson. I like it so far. It's a year old, so I haven't run into the battery issue. I'll cross that bridge when I get to it. For now, it's nice not having to gas up all the time with FJB's marked-up gas prices.

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