Gun Thread: August 7th Edition!

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Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

Welp, August is here with long hot days. One benefit we have here in the mid-Atlantic that you won't find in the picture above is oppressive humidity to go along with the heat. Yay, oppressive humidity and heat!

There has been a ton of great content in the ol' Gun Thread inbox recently. Please keep it coming. Thank you!!

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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Featured Gun
We've been looking at pistolas for a while so why don't we switch to a revolver this week? This little fella is a Smith & Wesson Model 629-1 in .44 Magnum with a 3-inch barrel, made in 1987. The observant among you will note I have not put Hogue Combat grips on this gun, preferring instead to leave it with the original Goncalo Alves grips for aesthetic reasons. Sure, rubber grips would be much more comfortable, but the range babes prefer the wood grips and who doesn't want to keep the range babes happy?

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I think this is a really good-looking gun, and despite being a handful, it really is a lot of fun to shoot. One of the benefits of handloading is the ability to customize loads and find a compromise betwixt power and recoil that doesn't rattle your teeth out.

How many snubby fans do we have?

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Shooting Gear

Last week we looked at some rear bag options for mid and long-range shooting. What did we learn? We learnt that you need to have as stable a platform as possible to maximize your hits on target. I don't mean a little bit stable; I mean a lot bit stable.

Q: Weasel, how stable is "a lot bit" stable.
A: Very, very, very stable. As stable as you can possibly get. Like anchored to the core of the Planet of the Earth, stable.

So now that we understand rear bags and their required stability, let's wander up to the front of the rifle. For practice and funsies I use a Harris S Bipod.

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There are about a dozen models with different attachment, leg and swivel options, and the one you want depends on your rifle setup and to a lesser extent, your shooting style. However, there are a couple of things to keep in mind. First, you absolutely, positively want to use a little leg extension as possible, so get one with the 6"-9" legs. I do all of my shooting either prone or from a bench and try my best to use zero leg extension unless it is unavoidable. Second, you absolutely, positively want an 'S' or swivel model. With the swivel function you can often still shoot from an uneven position without much (or any) leg extension. Although the Harris products are extremely well made, the more leg extension you use, the wobblier your shit may become.

Q: Weasel, is wobbly front shit bad too? I thought that was only for the back of the gun.
A: *SIGH*

Wobbliness, in all its insidious forms, is bigly bad and quite possibly the work of Satan. Do not tolerate wobbliness.

Depending on options, the Harris S series bipods are around $100-$150, and are worth it in my opinion because they are rugged, solid and reliable. In a pinch, I have used all sorts of other stuff as a front rest; ammo cans, rolled up jackets, rear bags - all sorts of goofy stuff. You can too, but why not give yourself the best possible chance of hitting the target? This is not the place to save a few dollars, folks. Why go to all of the trouble and expense to set up a long-range rig, and then set yourself up for failure in the last few percent of the job?

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Range Reports
First up, our pal and delightful 'ette Screaming in Digital made a trip to the range and filed the following report.

I went to the indoor range Friday night. Had the place to myself. I brought my Rock Island 1911, the P365, and the S&W model 28 for funsies.

I have started a new habit at the range of dry firing a few times before loading live ammo. Invariably I catch myself flinching or jerking the trigger the first time. This helps me get it out of my system!

First, I put 50 rounds through the 1911. My targets were not too bad. For some reason I had a lot more difficulty focusing on the front sight tonight than I had just a few weeks ago. Did my vision really change that much in a few weeks? Last time, I tended to miss low. This time, I was missing high more than low. But getting a few more shots in the center as well.

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Next, I brought out the Sig. My trials and travails with this gun are well documented, if anyone actually reads my comments. I've had a couple of decent outings with it, but more often than not I can't hit jack or shit. I did some penny drills this week at home, and guess what, it works! I shot about 30 rounds at 5 yards. Lo and behold, most of them found paper! My last 5 rounds were my best and I got better when I went a little faster and didn't think so much. I had fun shooting this gun for the first time in forever. And I am happy with my target.

Finally, I shot 20 rounds of .38 Special in the S&W model 28, grinning like an idiot with every shot. I love this gun so much. Since I may have to give it up soon, I plan to take it to the range every time while I can, for at least a few rounds.

Love it! If you are having trouble with something, focus on that first the next time you are at the range. Concentrate on what you are doing and start s l o w l y building speed as you methodically work on the issue. Very nicely done, SiD!!

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Next up our pal, shooter, and good cooker CBD has a range report to share featuring a new acquisition.

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CBD brings the fancy sauce with a Kimber!

This is a Kimber Pro CDP II (Custom Defense Package) that I bought used...but damned if I can find much wear. It looks like it was barely fired., so I got a great deal on a safe queen!

The reason for the purchase (other than the obvious: I don't have enough guns) is to add it to the list of possible carry pistols. NJ is following (grudgingly) the Supreme Court holding in NYSRPA v. Bruen and has eliminated the requirement for justifiable need for a carry permit. But I still have to qualify (in an as-yet unspecified way) with a specific pistol which will be listed on my permit. Yes, that is silly, but it is better than nothing.

The pistol is a 4"-barrel, full-size alloy frame, with ambidextrous safeties (Yippee! I'm a lefty), a full-length guide rod (which makes it a pain to strip), and smoothed edges for ease of carry and draw. The only downside is that the tritium in the night sights has decayed to almost nothing (the pistol was built in 2002), so I will have to replace them soon. Of course, three drops of white paint will fix that for the time being...

But on to the range! Of course, I started with a .22LR, because that's just fun! I have a new one (Browning Buck Mark) and it has the same grip angle as the 1911, so it makes sense to start with that. And did I mention that shooting .22LR is fun? I shot about 80 rounds, all in nice consistent groups. I adjusted the sights a bit, which is an immensely satisfying activity when it works...and it worked!

Anyway, back to the Kimber and the qualification...

The state-mandated qualification is rumored to be the same as the police qualification, which requires:
10 rounds fired at 25 yards
10 rounds at 15 yards
6 rounds at 10 yards
12 rounds at 7 yards
8 rounds at 5 yards
4 rounds at 1 yard

20 rounds are fired from a draw A few are with the weak hand, a few one-handed, some are kneeling, behind cover, over cover, etc.

I need 40 hits on a large "Q" target to pass. So I figured I should use the small "Q" target (it's about half the size) just to focus my mind and give myself an excuse if I stank up the joint. The attached photo is two full magazines at 25 yards, fired fast. I am okay with the accuracy, especially because I couldn't really see the sights well. The closer distances were fine. I easily kept the rounds in a good group, even firing fast, so the only issue will be the 25-yard portion of the qualification.

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The pistol behaved...okay. I had two failures to feed from a full eight-round magazine (Wilson), which concerns me. Also, the slide didn't stay back once on an empty magazine. But I will put several hundred rounds through the pistol before I even consider carrying it, so it has some work ahead of it.

But it shot like a dream! It sounds weird, but it felt like it shot softer than my heavier full-sized all steel 1911! That may be a function of the fine checkering providing an excellent grip, or the perfect balance with the 4" barrel (I think the 5" barrel makes the 1911 a little nose heavy). Maybe the spring is perfect for the ammo I was shooting, or maybe it was the phase of the moon, or perfectly fitting socks, but it sure did feel like it was an extension of my hand.

So...wish me luck on this stupid test. The intent is obviously to discourage people from applying for carry permits, because the idea that civilians should qualify is offensive in and of itself (do we have to qualify to exercise our 1st Amendment rights?). But also shooting at long distance is just silly, because the overwhelming majority of self-defense shootings occur at practically point-blank ranges. Granting that the state has any right to dictate the terms of MY rights (I reject that), demonstrating the safe handling of a firearm should be the only requirement.

Very nice shooting, bro! Good luck on the qualification, and congratulations on the Kimber!

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Next up, our pal and ammo cleaner-upper That Deplorable SOB Van Owen sends some pics on a topic that has been discussed before; the safety of firing old ammo.

Pictured are some Winchester 7X57mm rounds that I found today going through some of my old stuff. At a guess, I'd say they had been in the leather shell holder since 1971, maybe a little earlier.

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four rounds in the shell carrier

The headstamp is hard to see, but it says "SuperX 7m/m". The verdigris from where the metal contacted the leather came off with just a little scrubbing with a ScotchBrite pad. The primers look fine. I'm thinking there should be no problem firing them in my M1895 Mauser carbine. What does the Horde think?

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showing the verdigris - ewwww!

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cleaned round on the right

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headstamp and primer

Very interesting! Thank you, TDSOBVO! All y'all, please be careful when contemplating shooting any ammunition showing any unusual signs! Anything on the outside of a cartridge case can cause pressure problems when fired, a potentially very serious problem.

Anyone else using this or a similar method to clean cartridges?

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75 Days!
The countdown to the TXMoMe continues! That's right, boys and girls, the TXMoMe is a mere 75 days from today, and by now you should be rushing your MoMe attendance plans to completion. There are lots of big doin's in the works and your hosts Rancher Bob, Cow Horse Queen and Ben Had are ready to welcome YOU to the festivities! Have you signed up? Are you on the exclusive guest list, or are you one of the mentally defective people who always finds a reason to make it next year?

This year, along with the usual compliment of shooting clinic instructors, my main shooting buddy Geoff is planning to join us. In addition to being an all-round bigly good amigo, Geoff is also one hell of a shooter. Here's a video we put together at WeaselAcres a while back with another one of his shootin' irons.

Last week we looked at an H&K MP5, so this week how about some Uzi fun? I think this may have been the same day as the 'WeaselAcres Uzi Pine Tree Incident' of lore.

What is more funner than an Uzi! A suppressed Uzi, of course!

HINT: Word has it there may be some, well let's just call them "special" weapons, available to shoot in Texas. I don't want to go into a bunch of specifics, but if you liked the videos, plan on bringing a box of brass case 9mm ball ammo (example) with you to Texas. Please, NO reloads!

Holy Shitballs, people. Have I not implored and cajoled you enough? Do you require additional imploring and cajoling? I challenge you to find a single person who has attended a TXMoMe and not found it to be a life altering experience. Life altering for the good even! So please quit screwing around and making up reasons not to commit and start planning on getting your ass to Texas in October!

You will see this material again, so for heaven's sake, so do yourself a favor and email Ben Had for details!

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Musical Interlude - Ghost Riders in the Sky

Neil LeVang version. Maraca Guy is en fuego!

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Next, Glen Campbell and Roy Clark take a stab at it on Hee Haw.

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Finally, The Outlaws version. I'm pretty sure bluebell toured with them for a while.

Same song, three artists. Which one do you prefer?

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Gun Basics 101

Still nothing new video-wise from the She Equips Herself gal. Do we have volunteers for a search party?

I received an email from our pal prolix regarding an issue which often occurs with a new pistol; and that is FTL, or Failure to Load. It's a condition where your shit is all wobbl... sorry, it's a condition during firing where a round jams in the action between the top of the magazine and the chamber. At best it's a nuisance, and at worst it can really mess up your day, as the weapon must be cleared of the jam before it's back in action. Anyhoo, here's what prolix axed Weasel:

Since you discussed 1911's last week, I thought that I would ask a question...

After years of considering getting a 1911, I received a Springfield EMP for Christmas several years ago. Yes, I have a wonderful wife; no, she didn't quite understand what I was looking for. I haven't had any issues with it over the past several years.

Last week, I purchased a Fusion Firearms 1911. When I took it to the range, my initial impressions were extremely positive. However, while firing both the EMP (9 mm) and 1911 (45), I ran into FTL issues. This has NEVER happened to me before, so it was quite the shock.

So, I have 2 firearms of different calibers from different companies, but both with the same basic design. My first guess was that this was bad ammo. I actually had a different brand for the 45, and it worked fine, so that sorta proves the ammo culprit. However, a friend suggested that it could be the magazines.

Any suggestions?

Man, sounds like Mrs. prolix is a keeper! Congratulations!

Because I'm mildly retarded with low reading comprehension, I had to re-read prolix's question because this happened with both guns, not just the first as I initially thought. My advice is to a) buy Mrs. p flowers, and dos) not to worry about the new gun for a couple hundred rounds or so. The issue may resolve itself with the "problem" ammo as the gun is broken-in and the new parts make friends with one another and start working together. The 9mm is odd that it would act up at the same time. I would focus on that one first. My suggestion would be to head to the range with that gun and several different types of ammo. Number your magazines and take careful notes, recording the performance of each ammo/magazine combination to see if you can recreate and isolate the issue. Good luck and please let us know how it goes!

But wait, there's more! In the time it took me to post this, prolix has been back to the range and figured it out!

So, the plot thickens? I went back to the range yesterday with both of these guns and a couple of .40s that I hadn't done much with over the past several years.

This time I used Winchester ammo for both guns and had no problems. I also used GA Arms ammo for the .45 and didn't have any issues. Since Fusion only provided a single mag with my purchase, I had also picked up a couple of new magazines for that gun, and I had no issues with feeding from either. I hate to blame ammo, because I was using Federal when the 9mm had issues, and I've used Federal for my .357 for years with no issues and clearly, feeding isn't a problem in that case, but the correlation is hard to miss.

Either way, at this point, I have another 2 working firearms that I feel comfortable enough to use for home defense.

This is a great example of working to identify and then solve a problem. What do you all think? Any other suggestions for prolix?

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Cigar of the Week
I think tonight I will start with a Diesel Robusto from Cigars International. These are very well made and not for the faint of heart. Made in Nicaragua and under $5 each.

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If you like strong cigars, this superbly constructed maduro is for you.

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Here is Cigar Vixen at a Cigar and Scotch event featuring the Padron 6000 with Natural and Maduro wrappers. A Cigar Vixen two-fer!

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Link-O-Rama

I'm really very seriously not kidding around anymore. Buy Ammo
AmmoSeek - online ammo search tool
GunBot - online ammo search tool
SG Ammo
Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA
Bud's Gun Shop

***Mail Bag***

This week's mailbag entry is from our pal Duncanthrax who brings teh funny! (Pick the one on the right!)

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM




Comments

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1 Howdy

Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2022 07:00 PM (k8B25)

2 You people and yer fancy shootin'!

Hi, Weasel!

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 07, 2022 07:02 PM (K5n5d)

3 but the range babes prefer the wood grips


Are you saying the range babes like woodies?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 07, 2022 07:02 PM (fe7in)

4 Howdy Howdy

Posted by: Gref at August 07, 2022 07:02 PM (AMIL/)

5 It's Pew Pew time!!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at August 07, 2022 07:02 PM (anj39)

6 Top 10 after reading content?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 07, 2022 07:05 PM (5pTK/)

7 Should have bought the used S&W 625 at Collectors a couple of years ago. They had two . I was hesitant because of the price ( collectors always a bit higher) but now they are hard to find and the price is way more.

Anyone have one of those bad boys?

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at August 07, 2022 07:05 PM (BfhXc)

8 I have a gun purchase I'm happy with enough to share. Not expensive, a Pusat holster. $40, and so far, worth every penny. IWB, black leather, GP-100 in 4", left handed. I really like it. It suits how I like to carry, small of my back, butt to the right. I'll buy another one, different style, for my SR9.

And now, a question, all comments appreciated. I'm long on everything ammo wise - EXCEPT 12 gauge shells. I don't keep shotgun shells for hunting. So, 00 Buck isn't my thing, exactly. I'm thinking #2 Buck or #4 Buck. Thoughts ?

Posted by: Good for the Gander at August 07, 2022 07:05 PM (LGaLJ)

9 By the way, weasel, yeah, your 629 does look good with the nice wood furniture. I can see why you kept those grips.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 07, 2022 07:06 PM (5pTK/)

10 Happy Nuke Japan week!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at August 07, 2022 07:06 PM (xcxpd)

11 CBD try a different magazine, I have one on a 1911 that has feed issues especially when full

Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2022 07:07 PM (k8B25)

12 Weasel is tougher than I am!

He made me buy a S&W 629 with the 3" barrel, and I did not enjoy shooting it with the admittedly beautiful wood grips. I put a set of Hogue grips on it and it is fantastic! Even full-power loads are manageable

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 07, 2022 07:07 PM (XIJ/X)

13 No cigar vixen to go with my scotch tonight

Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2022 07:08 PM (k8B25)

14 Going to buy another 9mm carbine.

Houston Texas company called Bird Dog Arms. Glock Mag compatible.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at August 07, 2022 07:09 PM (BfhXc)

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Happy Nuke Japan week!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards


Trinity test pic up top.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 07, 2022 07:09 PM (63Dwl)

16 CBD try a different magazine, I have one on a 1911 that has feed issues especially when full

Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2022 07:07 PM (k8B25)

Absolutely! It was my first time shooting the pistol, so I was just feeling it out. Next time I will pay more attention.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 07, 2022 07:09 PM (XIJ/X)

17 Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 07, 2022 07:02 PM (K5n5d)
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Ha! Howdy, PS!

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 07:09 PM (0IeYL)

18 Nice shooting there SiD!! Keep up the practice, it will do wonders.

CBD, nice looking Kimber. A question though, what caliber?

And good luck in qualifying!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 07, 2022 07:09 PM (fe7in)

19 Did get to Lazy Messenger's outdoor range. He has a 10 yard and 15 yard shooting position downhill on his lot.

Did some attempts to zero my XD9's holosun. Uncertain of the accuracy from off hand, downhill, unsupported. But it's in minute of head at 15 yards so call it good for now.

XD9 did not like Fiocchi 124 gr JHPs, making large groups. Did much better with Federal 124 gr ball. Zinc Point has hard primers, sadly. Glocks and the PSA Dagger feed them fine, but the XD and the Taurus G3c did not ignite the primers consistently, despite solid hits.

Not all guns like all ammo. The Dagger fed everything and even grouped the Fiocchi better than the XD did. Great pistol so far. IDPA here we come in two weeks.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at August 07, 2022 07:10 PM (xcxpd)

20 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 07, 2022 07:02 PM (fe7in)
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Wow - sooner than expected!

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 07:11 PM (0IeYL)

21 That's a very sharp 629 Weasel, but I'll stick with my 6.5" version. It's challenging enough for me.

Posted by: PacosMojo at August 07, 2022 07:11 PM (LPr6+)

22 On Van Owen's ammo, sure rifle won't care but looks like corrosion on bullets ( small tablet so could be wrong) but could mean not optimal storage

Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2022 07:11 PM (k8B25)

23 Those oldie moldy 7mm cartridges look like I feel after mowing the lawn in the sweltering Texas heat.

SiD. Hope you can negotiate a "keep" on that Model 28. Not just for the memories, but N frame Smiths are just "buttah"!


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

.. and now to log some front porch/cigar time.

Posted by: Jim at August 07, 2022 07:12 PM (tkOps)

24 Powdery residue on lead is corrosion

Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2022 07:13 PM (k8B25)

25 Anyone do the 40 yard Mall shot yet ?

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at August 07, 2022 07:13 PM (BfhXc)

26 On the what version of the song do I prefer, The Outlaws. However, if you had put Johnny Cash's version of the song I would have selected that one hands down.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 07, 2022 07:13 PM (fe7in)

27 Going to buy another 9mm carbine.

Get out of my head. I've got an "oh shit" backpack, with the previously mentioned SR9 as well as a PC9. And plenty of compatible mags and extra boxes of ammo.

A low power, fixed optic on the PC9, in the scout position. I really like that rig.

Posted by: Good for the Gander at August 07, 2022 07:13 PM (LGaLJ)

28 Good evening gub threaders!

Got home a little while ago from our bi-weekly DMV MGC and mini-mome. Today we had a special guest: Doof.

He had a good time in the Nation's Most Advanced Indoor Range and a bunch of morons.

Over dinner we determined that it is indeed true that Marylanders are the worst driver in this country, and that's probably because they have so many Leftists.

Posted by: blaster at August 07, 2022 07:13 PM (6TxNR)

29 By the way, I credit CBD's choice in firearms: Kimber and 1911!

Obviously the hallmark of a fine upstanding American!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 07, 2022 07:13 PM (5pTK/)

30 Stopped to read the content.
Hey, it's interesting!

Posted by: RI Red at August 07, 2022 07:13 PM (SHxgX)

31 The corrosion looks just like the stuff I found on some 8x56 MS that I bought along with a gorgeous 1908 Mannlicher Schoenhaeur as a gift for my dad about 100 years ago.

I cleaned off the lightly corroded stuff, but dumped the heavily corroded rounds. I simply didn't know whether they would be safe to fire.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 07, 2022 07:13 PM (XIJ/X)

32 BBL, Conor insists it is time for walkies since he was sorely neglected today!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at August 07, 2022 07:14 PM (hOUT3)

33 20 Wow - sooner than expected!

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 07:11 PM

It's hard to keep a good man down. Ba Da bump!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 07, 2022 07:14 PM (fe7in)

34 I have a .44 magnum Ruger Vaquero. It's very pretty, stainless and brown wood grips and it matches my Rossi model 92 44 mag.

Honestly though...I'd rather shoot .44 special out of it. Its close to .45 ACP for recoil and that's enough gun for anyone. It's a revolver though and I'm not a huge fan of revolvers, they don't fit my hand well. I'll try again, soon enough. My .22 revolver fund got spent on...well....you'll see come Christmas.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at August 07, 2022 07:14 PM (xcxpd)

35 Very nice looking firearm CBD

Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2022 07:15 PM (k8B25)

36 25 Anyone do the 40 yard Mall shot yet ?
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at August 07, 2022 07:13 PM (BfhXc)

Been trying to! Hard to find a 40 yard pistol range. May go up into the woods with Lazy Messenger to try that out.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at August 07, 2022 07:16 PM (xcxpd)

37
g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at August 07, 2022 07:16 PM (ENBF0)

38 The verdigris from where the metal contacted the leather came off with just a little scrubbing with a ScotchBrite pad.
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You ruined the patina. You'll never sell them now!

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 07, 2022 07:17 PM (yikp0)

39 How many snubby fans do we have?

Count me in. A S&W 642 is my go-to carry on the motorcycle. Light and unobtrusive. Thanks for the gub, Weasel.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at August 07, 2022 07:17 PM (Xrfse)

40 Hey CBD, I’ve got a Kimber Ultra Carry II, which is a little smaller than your new-to-you Kimber. Mine too is fussy with Wilson Combat mags. The Wilson mags often fail to feed JHP while the stock Kimber mags work fine with that ammo. FMJs are fine in either one.

Enjoy the Kimber, I do enjoy mine. It’ll be especially nice once it’s good and broken in.

Posted by: pikkumatti at August 07, 2022 07:17 PM (LNiNn)

41 Been messing with the Colt Python with .38 Special +P stuff. Have not shot a .357 magnum round through it yet.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 07, 2022 07:17 PM (bVYXr)

42 I'll be off topic again, but I hope we focus on our gun rights more than we have the Dems destroying manufacturing and energy industries today. America is sleeping while they gut us. Not that I'd expect anything less from West Virginia.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at August 07, 2022 07:17 PM (oWBc3)

43 Posted by: pikkumatti at August 07, 2022 07:17 PM (LNiNn)
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Howdy and welcome pikkumatti!

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 07:18 PM (0IeYL)

44 And now, a question, all comments appreciated. I'm long on everything ammo wise - EXCEPT 12 gauge shells. I don't keep shotgun shells for hunting. So, 00 Buck isn't my thing, exactly. I'm thinking #2 Buck or #4 Buck. Thoughts ?
Posted by: Good for the Gander at August 07, 2022 07:05 PM (LGaLJ)

Bigger shot is better. I don't like #4 buck but profession shotgunners consider #4 Buck to be the bare minimum. There's also slugs! Slugs stop shit dead...they also tend to shoot through cars so...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at August 07, 2022 07:18 PM (xcxpd)

45 BTW, I stopped by an old favorite gun store of mine (Ace Sporting Goods in Washington, PA )on Friday. They had a "special" three stamp MP5K for sale: $42,500 plus a few months of processing time and it could be yours.

Posted by: PacosMojo at August 07, 2022 07:18 PM (LPr6+)

46 Part of today MGC theme was tactical shotties.

Ed L. brought his Benelli M4 and I brought my Mossberg M590A1. One of these cost about 10x the other.

The Benelli is. like much of Ed L's toy chest, so choice. I highly recommend it if you have the means. 12 gauges just make me laugh out loud. We shot some 00 buck and my favorite Fiocchi Aero Slugs. The M4 has significantly less recoil than the pump with buckshot, but I did note that shooting the Aero Slug the kick was almost as hard out of it than the 590.

Also Ed L. had some French shotgun shells that would not feed in the semi-auto, so put a couple in the 590. Worst. Ammo. Ever. Would not feed in a pump. I am guessing it's best use in a double barrel shotgun.

Posted by: blaster at August 07, 2022 07:19 PM (6TxNR)

47 25 Anyone do the 40 yard Mall shot yet ?

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at August 07, 2022 07:13 PM

Have not been to a range since the NoVaMoMe in June.
Hope to rectify that after the week is over. I should be able to try it in either the indoor or out door range.

It will be interesting to see how I do.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 07, 2022 07:19 PM (fe7in)

48 I put together this little AR pistol thingy from PSA and want to hang a laser on the bayonet mount, I think.

Posted by: fd at August 07, 2022 07:19 PM (sn5EN)

49 Happy Nuke Japan week!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

Trinity test pic up top.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 07, 2022 07:09 PM (63Dwl)

Is that what that is? Thanks.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at August 07, 2022 07:19 PM (xcxpd)

50 Nothing to shoot at around here so I will just hold my revolver and read the gun thread.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 07, 2022 07:19 PM (zHRci)

51 We're getting health insurance at work finally. I'll be able to get my final eye surgery and hopefully hit the range within a few months.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 07, 2022 07:20 PM (u73oe)

52 Posted by: PacosMojo at August 07, 2022 07:18 PM (LPr6+)
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Coming to Texas?

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 07:20 PM (0IeYL)

53 The old six for sure versus (8-10-15) maybe, is something that old guys running revolvers have heard in the past.

There is a grain of truth in it. If you stop and think of a semi auto as a tuned machine, it might help. That is, the recoil guide, the recoil spring, the magazine, the feed lips to the chamber, the slide rails and their lubrication, the fit of the barrel into whatever locking mechanism is used, and anything else on the slide that can slow the action down (including fingers, thumbs, etc.) are enough to throw a semi auto feeding off.

So, to make sure that feeding, going bang, extraction, and ejection occur in fractions of a second in order to feed again, find out what your particular firearm likes as far as ammo. Some like hotter ammo, some like more gentle ammo, some like some bullet profiles but not others, some want to run wet, some dryer, and so on. Some firearms hate people with limp wrists or trying to ride the safety, others do not care and go bang regardless. Firearms are not widgets and even within a brand and a particular model, you can get differences in ammo preferences.

Posted by: whig at August 07, 2022 07:20 PM (CXr4y)

54 39....

I carry a Kimber K6 revolver. A bit heavy, but doable.

Posted by: PacosMojo at August 07, 2022 07:21 PM (LPr6+)

55 I'll be off topic again, but I hope we focus on our gun rights more than we have the Dems destroying manufacturing and energy industries today. America is sleeping while they gut us. Not that I'd expect anything less from West Virginia.

I wouldn't call what I'm doing "sleeping". But I would call it "not caring".

We live in, during my lifetime still, the Golden Age of Guns. More guns and ammo are available, at better prices, of better quality, than any time not only since I've been on this planet - but any time I can read in history.

If people don't want to take advantage of that ? I'm not going to encourage them. More for me, and cheaper.

For those who do or do not partake, simply because of "the rules" ? I'm not going to waste my time persuading those folks either.

Posted by: Good for the Gander at August 07, 2022 07:21 PM (LGaLJ)

56 Scoob, thankee kind sir!

Jim, if we end up fighting over this one, I'll propose that I keep it for another year or so then pass it on... And I know a S&W guy who can hook me up with one of my own. J had several interesting revolvers so I should be able to hang onto some that I love.

Posted by: screaming in digital at August 07, 2022 07:22 PM (pkAcY)

57 Many years ago I bought a Springfield 0-3. The guy also gave me about 5 each, 10 round boxes of ammo to go with it, circa WWI. I went to the range and fired off the first old round (this was before the canoe accident) and felt a slight burn on my nose. Looked at the case and it had ruptured at just above the rim. Shot new ammo the rest of the day and went home with a powder blackened nose.

Posted by: Javems at August 07, 2022 07:22 PM (oFUlW)

58 You know...that cartoon is right, tho.
There are shooters who started on the 1911 and shooters who started on a Glock (or other striker fired pistols) and they create completely different expectations for what they want in a handgun.

#TeamGlock


(Yes, I do own 1911s too)

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at August 07, 2022 07:22 PM (xcxpd)

59 Hilarious thread concerning the .50 Barrett Rifle.

https://bit.ly/3bJrgl8

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Summer of Our Discontent n at August 07, 2022 07:22 PM (FVME7)

60 Been doing the IDPA practice up here in northern NH. Even with a light-weight splashy Hawaiian shirt, the heat is intense. After drawing and firing a few mags, the sweat is intense.
According to the FBI, if I wear a Hawaiian shirt, I am a domestic terrorist. A sweaty one, no less.

Posted by: RI Red at August 07, 2022 07:22 PM (SHxgX)

61 Lawrence Welk gang were rocking it!

Posted by: Creek at August 07, 2022 07:23 PM (29OXW)

62 Also today at the range my Ruger P95 with red dot and Sig P226 with greendot. I have been futzing (maybe even bodging?) with that for a while now. I finally have the right screws and it tightened down correctly so that shooting it doesn't loosen the optic or worst case send it flying!

The P226 showed its ass by being very sensitive to limpwristing. Not a problem before the optic got on board. Shooting with 124 grain, it worked fine for 3 shooters, and for two it was a jam-o-matic. This is harshing my optics on all the things vibe.

Posted by: blaster at August 07, 2022 07:23 PM (6TxNR)

63 Did some range therapy yesterday and learned a new thing. I am 29 years old and wear no line bifocals. I was having much difficulty with my accuracy, more so than normal. Turns out my point of vision thru the bifocals has moved down. Once I tilted my head back more than "normal" I could see the sights much better and shot a lot better.

Posted by: t_bodie - Lurker. Unless you are reading this. at August 07, 2022 07:23 PM (6jpby)

64 Bigger shot is better. I don't like #4 buck but profession shotgunners consider #4 Buck to be the bare minimum. There's also slugs! Slugs stop shit dead...they also tend to shoot through cars so...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at August 07, 2022 07:18 PM (xcxpd)


I have been pricing cases of slugs as well. Even if plates "stop" the slug, I'm pretty sure that person is out of the game for the day, so to speak. They'll sit down for a bit.

Posted by: Good for the Gander at August 07, 2022 07:23 PM (LGaLJ)

65 52...

Unfortunately no. I'm going to plan on being there next year.

Posted by: PacosMojo at August 07, 2022 07:24 PM (LPr6+)

66 Posted by: Creek at August 07, 2022 07:23 PM (29OXW)
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Maraca guy was sure having fun!

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 07:25 PM (0IeYL)

67 ...find out what your particular firearm likes as far as ammo. Some like hotter ammo, some like more gentle ammo, some like some bullet profiles but not others, some want to run wet, some dryer, and so on. Some firearms hate people with limp wrists or trying to ride the safety, others do not care and go bang regardless. Firearms are not widgets and even within a brand and a particular model, you can get differences in ammo preferences.
Posted by: whig at August 07, 2022 07:20 PM (CXr4y)

+1

I will add that though revolvers are NOT simple machines. They are deceptively complex and I've seen them go sideways in many annoying and occasionally dangerous ways.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at August 07, 2022 07:25 PM (xcxpd)

68 Posted by: PacosMojo at August 07, 2022 07:24 PM (LPr6+)
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Bummer.

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 07:25 PM (0IeYL)

69 CBD, congrats on your new purchase!

I have discovered (much to my surprise as a latecomer to shooting, and also much to the dismay of my budget) that once you own one gun, you pretty much want to own all of them.

Posted by: screaming in digital at August 07, 2022 07:26 PM (pkAcY)

70 I have been pricing cases of slugs as well. Even if plates "stop" the slug, I'm pretty sure that person is out of the game for the day, so to speak. They'll sit down for a bit.
Posted by: Good for the Gander at August 07, 2022 07:23 PM (LGaLJ)

Yup. A slug can cause organ damage even without bullet penetration. There are some eye opening tests on YouTube where body armor is placed over gen or clay targets. Slugs create massive impact cavities in soft tissue and can still break bones through armor.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at August 07, 2022 07:27 PM (xcxpd)

71 Posted by: screaming in digital at August 07, 2022 07:26 PM (pkAcY)
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And the hook is set!

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 07:27 PM (0IeYL)

72
let's try this again

Skip posted the Bad Blue link downstairs, check out the third one on the list...kid with mad skilz shooting a cowboy action three gun

tinyurl.com/2hw22b3t

Posted by: AltonJackson at August 07, 2022 07:27 PM (ENBF0)

73 I put together this little AR pistol thingy from PSA and want to hang a laser on the bayonet mount, I think.
Posted by: fd at August 07, 2022 07:19 PM (sn5EN

Are you going to put a pistol brace on it?

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at August 07, 2022 07:27 PM (BfhXc)

74 Ghost Chickens In the Sky

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M3OD-cTUM-E

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Summer of Our Discontent n at August 07, 2022 07:27 PM (FVME7)

75 Upthread someone says PCCs. I will once again testify for the Extar EP9. Don't just take my word for it, look for the videos on youtube.

It is the best smile per dollar in the gun field out there, I think.

It is AR-ish, and shoots 9mm, and has hardly any recoil. And it just shoots. It's a "pistol" by ATF definition, and some people might use the PDW designation, but whatever you call it, you won't regret spending $459 on it.

Posted by: blaster at August 07, 2022 07:27 PM (6TxNR)

76 Posted by: RI Red at August 07, 2022 07:22 PM

We're all domestic terrorists cause we like things that go pew pew pew.

But wearing the Hawaiian shirt makes you look good besides being a "danger". ;-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 07, 2022 07:28 PM (fe7in)

77 I have discovered (much to my surprise as a latecomer to shooting, and also much to the dismay of my budget) that once you own one gun, you pretty much want to own all of them.

They're tools. Turns out, you need more than one tool.

Posted by: Good for the Gander at August 07, 2022 07:28 PM (LGaLJ)

78 57 Many years ago I bought a Springfield 0-3. The guy also gave me about 5 each, 10 round boxes of ammo to go with it, circa WWI. I went to the range and fired off the first old round (this was before the canoe accident) and felt a slight burn on my nose. Looked at the case and it had ruptured at just above the rim. Shot new ammo the rest of the day and went home with a powder blackened nose.

Posted by: Javems
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WWI era ammo had a known problem of having too soft brass. They also had mercuric primers back in that day and no real way apart from headstamps and knowledge which contractor used what.

If you have pre 1920's ammo, I would not fire it. First, mercuric primers as they deteriorate, attack the brass case. Second, brass production sucked with wide variations in brass hardness and specs.
That goes double for old military ammo from WWI era.

Posted by: whig at August 07, 2022 07:28 PM (CXr4y)

79 "Are you going to put a pistol brace on it?
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter "

It has one. Is a laser silly?

Posted by: fd at August 07, 2022 07:29 PM (sn5EN)

80 The P226 showed its ass by being very sensitive to limpwristing. Not a problem before the optic got on board. Shooting with 124 grain, it worked fine for 3 shooters, and for two it was a jam-o-matic. This is harshing my optics on all the things vibe.
Posted by: blaster at August 07, 2022 07:23 PM (6TxNR)

I'm a bit worried about that, on the XD9. It was never designed for one. Other guns have be very fine (Glock, SIG, PSA Dagger) but some of those were intended for optics.

On the selfish good news side, Springfield Amory is now selling XD optics slides...though they work only with Shield Arms/Hex optics. Bleh.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at August 07, 2022 07:29 PM (xcxpd)

81 People actually use corroded ammo like that? I think I'll stay far, far away.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 07, 2022 07:31 PM (WHt4f)

82 63 Did some range therapy yesterday and learned a new thing. I am 29 years old and wear no line bifocals. I was having much difficulty with my accuracy, more so than normal. Turns out my point of vision thru the bifocals has moved down. Once I tilted my head back more than "normal" I could see the sights much better and shot a lot better.

Posted by: t_bodie - Lurker. Unless you are reading this. at August 07, 2022 07:23 PM (6jpby)

My Dad quite competitive shooting when he had to turn his glasses upside down to get a good sight picture.

Posted by: Javems at August 07, 2022 07:32 PM (oFUlW)

83 I got the 629 with 8-3/4" barrel. Like CBD I replaced the beautiful wood grips with the Hogues and it made an enormous difference with both comfort level and group size. Bought the gun in the early 80's brand new for $329!

Posted by: Norman Spiny at August 07, 2022 07:33 PM (a8vi6)

84 I will add that though revolvers are NOT simple machines. They are deceptively complex and I've seen them go sideways in many annoying and occasionally dangerous ways.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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When a revolver goes bad, it usually takes a gunsmith to remedy. Things like bent cranes, worn bolts, messed up ratchets are not fixable in the field.

But, failures (aside from loading the wrong frigging cartridge) of ammo usually come from monkeying around with springs and the like for competition purposes.

A revolver, if it could chamber the groddy looking ammo above, would fire it. A semi auto would have a fit trying to chamber it. .

Posted by: whig at August 07, 2022 07:33 PM (CXr4y)

85 Are you going to put a pistol brace on it?
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter "

It has one. Is a laser silly?
Posted by: fd at August 07, 2022 07:29 PM (sn5EN

I wouldn't say it's silly but with the brace I wouldn't use a laser.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at August 07, 2022 07:33 PM (BfhXc)

86 So, Boss:
I've got front bags, I've got rear bags.
My question is - are these the "fun bags" I keep on hearing about at Ace of Spades?

Posted by: RI Red at August 07, 2022 07:33 PM (SHxgX)

87 78 If you have pre 1920's ammo, I would not fire it
Posted by: whig at August 07, 2022 07:28 PM

So that ammo I got off a wreck that sunk in 1918 in 110 feet of water off of Long Island is a no go?

:-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 07, 2022 07:34 PM (fe7in)

88 Ola, ca va?

Heat? Heat? First lamb dropped yesterday in the middle of a snow warning, luckily got a cover on it before it completely clagged in, Still alive this morning. 2 degrees above freezing here.

Of to read content and ruminate.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 07:34 PM (bgJ0E)

89 My question is - are these the "fun bags" I keep on hearing about at Ace of Spades?
Posted by: RI Red at August 07, 2022 07:33 PM (SHxgX)
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There, wobblines is allowed.

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 07:34 PM (0IeYL)

90 Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 07:34 PM (bgJ0E)
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Howdy from the northern hemisphere!

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 07:36 PM (0IeYL)

91 I will add that though revolvers are NOT simple machines. They are deceptively complex and I've seen them go sideways in many annoying and occasionally dangerous ways.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edward

I always tell people who are gettIng a revolver for the first time to look up cylinder gap injuries. That will make sure they handle the revolver properly.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at August 07, 2022 07:36 PM (BfhXc)

92 Upthread someone says PCCs. I will once again testify for the Extar EP9. Don't just take my word for it, look for the videos on youtube.

I looked at the video. For the money, I absolutely agree with you. That's a Hell of an option, at a nice price.

Posted by: Good for the Gander at August 07, 2022 07:36 PM (LGaLJ)

93 You want the best Ghost Riders?

Here ya go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaZE_-NVeOY

Posted by: Jeff Guinn at August 07, 2022 07:36 PM (GWZkc)

94 Once I tilted my head back more than "normal" I could see the sights much better and shot a lot better.
Posted by: t_bodie
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I have the same issue. This is another reason I started dry firing at the range - when I pick up a different gun I need to readjust my 29 year old vision to different sights, and different barrel lengths. A couple inches makes a big difference. yep, phrasing, I know

Jim SND recommended taking the slide off my pistol and bringing it with me to the eye doc so he can do up a prescription just for shootin', but I've been too lazy and no-account to get it done. (My eye doc is a shooter himself, so don't have to worry about a Karen freaking out)

Posted by: screaming in digital at August 07, 2022 07:37 PM (pkAcY)

95 "...and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!"

Rifle, gun, shooting fun.

Posted by: Marooned at August 07, 2022 07:37 PM (w6hJ9)

96 The P226 showed its ass by being very sensitive to limpwristing. Not a problem before the optic got on board. Shooting with 124 grain, it worked fine for 3 shooters, and for two it was a jam-o-matic. This is harshing my optics on all the things vibe.
Posted by: blaster at August 07, 2022 07:23 PM (6TxNR)


Maybe try a softer recoil spring?

Posted by: Gref at August 07, 2022 07:38 PM (AMIL/)

97 I always tell people who are gettIng a revolver for the first time to look up cylinder gap injuries. That will make sure they handle the revolver properly.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at August 07, 2022 07:36 PM (BfhXc)
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Paul Harrell has a video where he puts cylinder gap injuries to the test. Excellent video. But, then again, it is Paul Harrell.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 07, 2022 07:38 PM (5pTK/)

98 To Skip's comment regarding the storage of those 7mm rounds, they were in that leather holder in a cigar box in the bottom of a footlocker for 50 plus years. Not optimal conditions. I found three boxes of the same ammo in the original Winchester 20 round boxes (minus those 5 rounds) stored in a sealed ammo can with desiccant. They look almost new.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at August 07, 2022 07:38 PM (y7NPO)

99 Just curious, any black powder people show up at TXMoMe? I could use some guidance with a 1847 Uberti Walker.

As luck would have it, I have two groups of relatives thinking about visiting me around that time of year, I don't know if I can make it to Corsicana, not that anyone cares.
But I care

Posted by: Colonel Travis at August 07, 2022 07:39 PM (Cgo1x)

100 So that ammo I got off a wreck that sunk in 1918 in 110 feet of water off of Long Island is a no go? :-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude
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Last I checked, Alliant Powder company has some original formula that is over one century old of Unique stored. Every so often, they take it out and fire it. Still lights off--course Alliant has it under very special storage. Ironically, if the water has not got to the primers and powder. And aside from longevity and lack thereof of mercuric primers are so damn old that most people know nothing about them including me, the gun powder might very well fire off. But, it might very well decide to fragment the cartridge at the same time.

It is always a good idea to wear heavy duty eye protection at the range. I also shoot in long sleeves with zippers and button up because hot brass will seek out and find your weakest points.

Posted by: whig at August 07, 2022 07:39 PM (CXr4y)

101 Posted by: Jeff Guinn at August 07, 2022 07:36 PM (GWZkc)
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Nice! Thanks and welcome!

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 07:40 PM (0IeYL)

102 Same song, three artists. Which one do you prefer?


Glen Campbell and Roy Clark were superb artists. Not sure people realize how talented they were. All that said;

THE OUTLAWS!!!!!! (raises lighter!!)

Posted by: Puddleglum at August 07, 2022 07:40 PM (sAmhv)

103 Just got back from visitation for Deputy who passed last week. Be back in a minute. Purty gubs!

Posted by: Eromero at August 07, 2022 07:40 PM (0OP+5)

104 That .44 up top looks like it would hurt to shoot.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 07, 2022 07:40 PM (u73oe)

105 THE OUTLAWS!!!!!! (raises lighter!!)

Green Grass and High Tides, my friend.

Posted by: Good for the Gander at August 07, 2022 07:41 PM (LGaLJ)

106 Re: opening statements about dry heat…

If you’d been in the Mohave Desert the last week (it’s monsoon season) you would have enjoyed high humidity (>70%) and triple digit temperature.

Posted by: epador at August 07, 2022 07:41 PM (ns4uC)

107 Nice S&W Weasel! I like keeping my non-carrying sidearms original as over the years it's like a trip down memory lane.

Nice shooting SID and CDB!

That ammo of SOB Van Owen....clean them up and give it a whirl. I bet they all go bang.

An Uzi is the last item on my list to purchase, hopefully by the end of this year.

Prices range from $12,000.00 to $20,000.00 depending on what accessories it may come with.

Fun, accurate enough and idiot proof. What more could you want...

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 07, 2022 07:41 PM (R/m4+)

108 I don't know if I can make it to Corsicana, not that anyone cares.
But I care
Posted by: Colonel Travis at August 07, 2022 07:39 PM (Cgo1x)
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Now why would you say that? Hope you can make it.

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 07:42 PM (0IeYL)

109 high humidity (>70%)

The Mid-Atlantic and Southeast are amused by your description of high humidity.

Posted by: blaster at August 07, 2022 07:42 PM (6TxNR)

110 Wow, really late this week.

I've got a good excuse though: drill weekend. One of my last.

I didn't go to a normal range, but I got some quality time with those electronic/air-powered thingies.

Tore things up with the M9 (which I do not like) and then got to play with the M4, which was a bit better.

Then, just for shits and giggles, we did a four-man fireteam, with half using M9s, half M4s, and hilarity ensued as the pistol-packers did endless mag dumps in the Hindu Kush.

It was fun and provided a bit of validation that my target drills actually have some validity in a military setting.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 07:43 PM (llXky)

111 The way people shoot automatics by pointing their thumbs downrange is one of the no-nos of revolvers. Aside from hot gas, thumbs curled down or overlapped, give you more control. That is because unless you are shooting a shrouded or internal hammer version, essentially, your revolver becomes a lever because the grip on a revolver is low compared to the bore line. Can be a benefit when firing hard kicking revolvers with the right grip but for defensive firing you want a hard grip to control and minimize front sight/barrel rise.

The revolver master grip is not as useful or accurate on semi automatics.

Posted by: whig at August 07, 2022 07:43 PM (CXr4y)

112 Oh, and can I just say, shooting 12 gauges just makes me laugh.

I shot a slug at a fresh new target and made a hole the size of a quarter. The other fun thing is 00 buck is like a mag full of 9mm all at once.

Posted by: blaster at August 07, 2022 07:44 PM (6TxNR)

113 Harris "S" type bipod is a fine bipod. I have one on my M110. But on everything else I have an Atlas.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 07, 2022 07:44 PM (voHIS)

114 Gidday Mr Weasel.
What shooting have I done this week? As there is a cartoon above (which I do actually get but completely disagree with) its ironic but I got the Glock 17 out and gave it a damm good thrashing at 25 mtrs. Its been about two years since I fired it and it still goes into the middle ring easily. Even when I upped the rate of fire with 32 rd mags and just wanted to get it hot. And I'm not even a pistolero no more.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 07:45 PM (bgJ0E)

115 The P226 showed its ass by being very sensitive to limpwristing. Not a problem before the optic got on board. Shooting with 124 grain, it worked fine for 3 shooters, and for two it was a jam-o-matic. This is harshing my optics on all the things vibe.
Posted by: blaster at August 07, 2022 07:23 PM


Playing off of whig's post, you've increased the reciprocating mass of the slide. Now the timing makes it more sensitive to limp wristing. It might be possible to change the recoil spring to a different weight. Or just not let the now-revealed limp wristers shoot it.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 07, 2022 07:45 PM (I3Enw)

116 Glen Campbell was kicking guitar ass towards the end of the song.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at August 07, 2022 07:46 PM (BfhXc)

117 How many snubby fans do we have?

They have their place - I'm just not sure where.

I do have a nice Taurus .45LC snubby made out of titanium. It is so light that out of the five round cylinder only one round can be fired of out-of-the-box factory ammo since they taper crimp rather than roll crimp and the projectiles back out enough that the cylinder won't turn.

All of my rounds must be hand loads with a strong roll crimp, yet with nice bright and polished hollow points the view from the front is impressive enough to be rewarded with a two pant leg stream of piss.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 07, 2022 07:46 PM (3hSHB)

118 Paul Harrell has a video where he puts cylinder gap injuries to the test. Excellent video. But, then again, it is Paul Harrell.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 07, 2022 07:38 PM (5pTK/)
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I think revolvers should be the first guns people use. Simplicity itself. Plus, they learn a better basic grip.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 07:46 PM (llXky)

119 100 Posted by: whig at August 07, 2022 07:39 PM

This clip (yes, a clip) of ammo was exposed to the elements for the 82 years or so it sat in the wreck.

I would not even think of putting it in a rifle to fire. They look in pretty good shape but I would not trust the stuff inside to still do what it was meant to do.

So it remains an artifact from another time.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 07, 2022 07:47 PM (fe7in)

120 Hey Duncanthrax. I was one of the limp wristed shooters. I love that gun. When it fired I shot great. Very disappointed that it was every couple,of rounds.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 07, 2022 07:47 PM (Y+l9t)

121 Of the three, I prefer the Campbell/Clark version but that's because I admire both of them so much. (I did like Xavier Cougat with the maracas in the first one.) My favorite version is by Riders In The Sky.

Posted by: JTB at August 07, 2022 07:47 PM (7EjX1)

122 Mercuric primers info here. [2:28 minutes]

https://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=Ztw-bOkkY5A

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 07, 2022 07:47 PM (yikp0)

123 Even when I upped the rate of fire with 32 rd mags and just wanted to get it hot. And I'm not even a pistolero no more.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 07:45 PM (bgJ0E)

How did you shoot the 1911 with the 33 rd mag ?

Oh wait....

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at August 07, 2022 07:48 PM (BfhXc)

124 Re Safely Endangered ...

Embrace the power of AND

Hey Weasel!

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at August 07, 2022 07:48 PM (MEbkQ)

125 Howdy SCL!

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 07:48 PM (0IeYL)

126
Is that what that is? Thanks.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards


I just made that up. Don't really know.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 07, 2022 07:49 PM (63Dwl)

127 On old ammo, always be careful and remember that rifle cartridges typically start at double the pressure of a handgun cartridge aside from magnums.

I also do not recommend putting old corroded rounds into a tumbler to clean them off either. I know people that do it including some gun show sellers but by tumbling, it can change the burn rate of the powder unpredictably and that is especially true if the powder is old and not a ball powder.

So, if you must, you can shoot old ammunition but you can risk the firearm if not injuring yourself. One of the safer ways if you must shoot old ammo is simply pull the bullets, dump the powder and reload the brass after inspecting the insides for deterioration.

Posted by: whig at August 07, 2022 07:49 PM (CXr4y)

128 Forgot to put the smiley face at end of my comment. I love the 1911 so don't bash me.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at August 07, 2022 07:49 PM (BfhXc)

129 Just curious, any black powder people show up at TXMoMe? I could use some guidance with a 1847 Uberti Walker.

Happy to help, if desired.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 07, 2022 07:49 PM (X8TUh)

130 Hello, Weasel and horde!
For the late-late commenter last week who asked about CMP M1911s: What you're getting is a GI M1911/M1911A1 as it was in the 1990s. Most have only an original frame, with a mish mash of parts (OEM and replacement parts) from a wide variety of manufacturers. Most will have gone through an arsenal or depot rebuild three times or more (especially if you have an M1911 frame). The primary asset of the CMP pistols is their provenance. As CMP guns, they are the last M1911s still in US Army/DOD hands save the current M45A1s with the USMC. That means you're getting a pistol that has stayed in military hands for 75+ years or more before you got it (the last M1911A1s came off the line in September 1945). As a bonus, you can use FOIA to get the history of your pistol from about the late 1970s (when supply records were first computerized) to the late 1990s, when CMP took over. Good luck in your decision on obtaining a CMP pistol (or not).

Posted by: Ed L at August 07, 2022 07:50 PM (/lmRp)

131 71 Posted by: screaming in digital at August 07, 2022 07:26 PM (pkAcY)
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And the hook is set!
Posted by: Weasel
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It's almost as good to have frenz who share their fun stuff! Maybe better, as I don't have to clean them!

Posted by: screaming in digital at August 07, 2022 07:50 PM (pkAcY)

132 Posted by: Ed L at August 07, 2022 07:50 PM (/lmRp)
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Howdy Ed L!

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 07:51 PM (0IeYL)

133 120 Hey Duncanthrax. I was one of the limp wristed shooters. I love that gun. When it fired I shot great. Very disappointed that it was every couple,of rounds.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 07, 2022 07:47 PM (Y+l9t)


This is true. swa fired this pistol in this configuration before and it worked great for her. BUT I will say I have not cleaned this in a bit - it doesn't have hundreds of rounds through it, but it has had some since I cleaned it.

It is true that the reciprocating mass changed and that has forced me into 124grain ammo, 115 won't cycle it any more, no matter how you grip it.

Posted by: blaster at August 07, 2022 07:51 PM (6TxNR)

134 Hiya Weasel !

Posted by: JT at August 07, 2022 07:52 PM (T4tVD)

135
Oh wait....
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at August 07, 2022 07:48 PM (BfhXc)

I do have 8 rounders for the 1911 but as Her Majesty loves me and we run 9mm, guess what I shoot mostly when I use pistolas? My Hi Power is still whimpering from being neglected.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 07:52 PM (bgJ0E)

136 Posted by: Ed L at August 07, 2022 07:50 PM (/lmRp)

Ed L bringing the knowledge again.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at August 07, 2022 07:52 PM (BfhXc)

137 hiya

Posted by: JT at August 07, 2022 07:52 PM (T4tVD)

138 Posted by: JT at August 07, 2022 07:52 PM (T4tVD)
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Hello there!

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 07:52 PM (0IeYL)

139 110 Wow, really late this week.

I've got a good excuse though: drill weekend. One of my last.

I didn't go to a normal range, but I got some quality time with those electronic/air-powered thingies.

Tore things up with the M9 (which I do not like) and then got to play with the M4, which was a bit better.

Then, just for shits and giggles, we did a four-man fireteam, with half using M9s, half M4s, and hilarity ensued as the pistol-packers did endless mag dumps in the Hindu Kush.

It was fun and provided a bit of validation that my target drills actually have some validity in a military setting.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 07:43 PM (llXky)
What a great day at the range! I had a similar day the last time I qualified in the Navy. Was allowed to dump 10 or 15 (don't remember which in all the excitement) mags through a M16. The Gunny RTO said he'd have one of his snuffies clean it too.

Posted by: Eromero at August 07, 2022 07:52 PM (0OP+5)

140 Duncanthrax, thanks. It's been sitting unfired for several weeks since arriving, haven't been able to get to an outdoor range yet.

Posted by: Colonel Travis at August 07, 2022 07:53 PM (Cgo1x)

141 Weasel! Just got my Harris bipod. Plan to take it to the range Thursday.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 07, 2022 07:53 PM (RkC6l)

142 Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 07, 2022 07:53 PM (RkC6l)
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Excellent!

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 07:54 PM (0IeYL)

143 The Gunny RTO said he'd have one of his snuffies clean it too.
Posted by: Eromero at August 07, 2022 07:52 PM


Textbook example of E7 privilege. ;-)

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 07, 2022 07:55 PM (X8TUh)

144 Question. Looking very hard at yet another mid range (500- 1200 mtr) .308 PRS rifle and the Sabatti Evo or ST- 18 rifles have caught my eye. Anybody own one?

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 07:55 PM (bgJ0E)

145 My Hi Power is still whimpering from being neglected.
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What Hi Power is that, Frank?

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 07, 2022 07:55 PM (yikp0)

146 To follow up on Blaster's range report:
The MGC had a guest joining us today. Doof, who claimed to be a not very often shooter, did quite well right from the start. We set up two lanes as Blaster said, 4 to a lane. Worked well with lots of opportunities to shoot. Started with G44 and Denise's new Buckmark. Then went to 9mm G48, P226 and G19.
I'm pretty comfortable with the Glocks now and shot well but Denise's Buckmark is sweet. Really glad she bought it so I don't have to. (-:

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 07, 2022 07:56 PM (Y+l9t)

147 So seeking some advice from the horde ...

Been to the range this week, twice no less. And I've developed a push. Both on my carry piece, an HK SK, and my 19X. It's totally me and frustrating as all heck.

I've tightened up my wrists and that helped tighten my groups, but still pushing left.

Arrrrrr

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at August 07, 2022 07:56 PM (MEbkQ)

148 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07

I like the M9 or what I have of course, the 92fs. Never thought I would like it but I finally bought one just to have that carbine /pistol carbine with my CX Storm.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at August 07, 2022 07:56 PM (BfhXc)

149 Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 07, 2022 07:53 PM (RkC6l)
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Excellent!
Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 07:54 PM

Next time y'all come up to New Hamster to shoot, I'm ready.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 07, 2022 07:57 PM (RkC6l)

150 Great thread, as per usual, weasel.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 07, 2022 07:57 PM (5pTK/)

151 -----------------------
What Hi Power is that, Frank?
Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 07, 2022 07:55 PM (yikp0)

The one and only Gran Puissance.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 07:58 PM (bgJ0E)

152 Re: opening statements about dry heat…

If you’d been in the Mohave Desert the last week (it’s monsoon season) you would have enjoyed high humidity (>70%) and triple digit temperature.

Posted by: epador at August 07, 2022 07:41 PM


So Texas in July, August and September then.......

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 07, 2022 07:59 PM (bVYXr)

153 The one and only Gran Puissance.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 07:58 PM

This Kiwi? He gets it.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 07, 2022 07:59 PM (RkC6l)

154 DuncanAnthrax is absolutely correct. One of the causes of limp wristing though is that the firearm does not fit the hand of who is firing it. Ideally, you want the forearm bones straight when firing. If the reach between the backstrap to the trigger is too long, you end up curling your hand a bit to pull the trigger and that leads often to limp wristing and inaccuracy as it is not a strong hold on the pistol--so the pistol can flex your grip as you fire.

Older Double Action/Single Actions like the classic P series of Sigs, do best if you use the power crease on your trigger finger to pull the trigger as it ensures control in the Double Action part.

BTW, there is a short reset trigger that is not hard to put in for Sigs that can lessen a bit the trigger reach. I have one in my Sig 225/P6 and it helped. Grips can also be reduced in size for some like the Sig P series which can help trigger reach.

Posted by: whig at August 07, 2022 08:00 PM (CXr4y)

155 I like the M9 or what I have of course, the 92fs. Never thought I would like it but I finally bought one just to have that carbine /pistol carbine with my CX Storm.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at August 07, 2022 07:56 PM (BfhXc)
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Your ownership of a CX Storm proves that you are a person of culture and sophistication.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 08:00 PM (llXky)

156 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 07, 2022 07:57 PM (5pTK/)
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Thanks blake!

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 08:01 PM (0IeYL)

157 No range report this weekend. I may have snuck out of the office, untucked my Hawaiian shirt and gone to the range for some IDPA practice during the week.
Today, I cleaned, sized and de-primed lots of 2022 pistol brass that had been looking at me balefully from the shelves. The same shelves that decided I had way too many boxes o' bullets on them and leaned forward about 30 degrees.
First World Problem?

Posted by: RI Red at August 07, 2022 08:01 PM (SHxgX)

158 Re: 109 blaster

I am glad you all are so easily amused. You re welcome

Let me know next time it’s 113F and 73% humidity with a 25 mph wind with gusts 40 while the ground remains dry and the gusts of wildfire smoke choke you back East.

;-)

Posted by: epador at August 07, 2022 08:01 PM (ns4uC)

159 Posted by: Eromero at August 07, 2022 07:52 PM (0OP+5)

I had to clean my M16A1 when I was a 1LT. Rock and roll was a ton of fun, but the clean up afterward sucked.

Posted by: Ed L at August 07, 2022 08:01 PM (/lmRp)

160 Yeah Buddy.

Pew pew bang bang.

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at August 07, 2022 08:01 PM (R5lpX)

161 So seeking some advice from the horde ...

Been to the range this week, twice no less. And I've developed a push. Both on my carry piece, an HK SK, and my 19X. It's totally me and frustrating as all heck.

I've tightened up my wrists and that helped tighten my groups, but still pushing left.

Arrrrrr

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at August 07, 2022 07:56 PM


Ride the trigger until it just resets then tap it. Don't let the trigger go full out when you shoot. It cured me from shooting left.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 07, 2022 08:01 PM (bVYXr)

162 He gets it.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 07, 2022 07:59 PM (RkC6l)

The Master's 3rd best design.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 08:01 PM (bgJ0E)

163 The Master's 3rd best design.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 08:01 PM

PBUH

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 07, 2022 08:02 PM (RkC6l)

164 Posted by: whig at August 07, 2022 08:00 PM (CXr4y)
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I've put the short reset trigger into all of my P model Sigs.

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 08:03 PM (0IeYL)

165 May all you dreams go up in Gunsmoke
Goodnight horde

Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2022 08:03 PM (k8B25)

166 I've tightened up my wrists and that helped tighten my groups, but still pushing left.

Arrrrrr
Posted by: SecondCityLurker at August 07, 2022 07:56 PM (MEbkQ)

I got a DryFireMag and a Mantis X10 Elite. They aren't cheap but they have really helped me fix problems that are hard to see on your own during live fire. Ultimately, I have saved money.

It's taken a while because I'm thick-headed, but I've learned that dry fire is like practice and live range time is your test. Practice properly at home to score well on your test.

Posted by: Colonel Travis at August 07, 2022 08:03 PM (Cgo1x)

167 162 He gets it.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 07, 2022 07:59 PM (RkC6l)

The Master's 3rd best design.

Posted by: NZFrank
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In fairness to Browning, he was having to design by getting around his own patents for his other pistols still in production.

Posted by: whig at August 07, 2022 08:03 PM (CXr4y)

168 154: DuncanAnthrax is absolutely correct. One of the causes of limp wristing though is that the firearm does not fit the hand of who is firing it.

I've seen this with my own "stuff." Putting on a smaller backstop made immediate difference

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at August 07, 2022 08:03 PM (MEbkQ)

169 Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at August 07, 2022 07:52 PM (BfhXc)

Can you tell I have a thing for military surplus 1911s?

Posted by: Ed L at August 07, 2022 08:04 PM (/lmRp)

170 Textbook example of E7 privilege. ;-)

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 07, 2022 07:55 PM


Hey now, I was part of the Navy CPO Khaki mafia. I actually had a civilian GS accuse me of that when I was active duty. And yes it was real.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 07, 2022 08:04 PM (bVYXr)

171 What a great day at the range! I had a similar day the last time I qualified in the Navy. Was allowed to dump 10 or 15 (don't remember which in all the excitement) mags through a M16. The Gunny RTO said he'd have one of his snuffies clean it too.

Posted by: Eromero at August 07, 2022 07:52 PM (0OP+5)
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Those simulators are pretty cool. The make the bang-bang noise the actions cycle. You have to physically remove the magazine to do a reload. I got into the habit of dropping the mag after each sequence and setting it on the barricade because they require a reload when the screen boots. Seemed weird to pull a mag out and put it back but normal to pick up your weapon and chamber a mag.

Oh, and I had a "accidental discharge" because I was just clicking the trigger between screens and nothing happened. But when the system finished booting, my M9 cycled without warning. Whoopsie!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 08:04 PM (llXky)

172 Let me know next time it’s 113F and 73% humidity with a 25 mph wind with gusts 40 while the ground remains dry and the gusts of wildfire smoke choke you back East.

;-)
Posted by: epador at August 07, 2022 08:01 PM (ns4uC)


73% humidity would be nice! Late July/August is 95+/95+ many days. I don't know how the RealFeel TM compares at 113/73 v 100/98. When I was a kid it wasn't such a thing but at age 29 the heat is oppressive.

Posted by: blaster at August 07, 2022 08:05 PM (6TxNR)

173
PBUH
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 07, 2022 08:02 PM (RkC6l)

Bless him and all his acolytes, even if the are of the clan of the fortee five, for verily they are part of the covenant of pew pew.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 08:05 PM (bgJ0E)

174 Blaster did notice that I shot better straight arm than bent elbows and accuracy improved but still had limp wrist syndrome. I do really like the green dot on the P226. Think I'm going to have to put done on the G48. Unless I decide to splurge on the Kimber Aegis 1911 that comes equipped with a very nice red dot.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 07, 2022 08:05 PM (Y+l9t)

175 Next time y'all come up to New Hamster to shoot, I'm ready.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 07, 2022 07:57 PM (RkC6l)

You're on the short list, RMBS.

Posted by: RI Red at August 07, 2022 08:06 PM (SHxgX)

176 Dang, double posted. Must have had two tabs open and something, something.

Posted by: Javems at August 07, 2022 08:06 PM (8ufRF)

177 I've put the short reset trigger into all of my P model Sigs.
Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 08:03 PM (0IeYL)


If whig and weasel are suggesting it, that seems on the order of a Commandment.

Posted by: blaster at August 07, 2022 08:06 PM (6TxNR)

178 166: I'm thick-headed, but I've learned that dry fire is like practice and live range time is your test.

Thanks Colonel. That sure feels right. I probably need the dry fire feedback from something like the Mantis. 'Cause I can SEE what I'm doing.

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at August 07, 2022 08:06 PM (MEbkQ)

179 164 Posted by: whig at August 07, 2022 08:00 PM (CXr4y)
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I've put the short reset trigger into all of my P model Sigs.

Posted by: Weasel
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They also help cure the long reset of the original trigger. BTW, I have always had luck at TopGunSupply in OH for all Sig parts among other items and that is where I bought my SRT for the Sig.

Posted by: whig at August 07, 2022 08:06 PM (CXr4y)

180 If you're going to get a 92, at least get one from LTT.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 07, 2022 08:06 PM (voHIS)

181 Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 08:01 PM (bgJ0E)

Any thoughts about the "new and improved" High Power FN introduced this year? I think it's a different pistol wearing the clothing of the old High Power.

Posted by: Ed L at August 07, 2022 08:07 PM (/lmRp)

182 Bless him and all his acolytes, even if the are of the clan of the fortee five, for verily they are part of the covenant of pew pew.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 08:05 PM


This is wisdom. Let us be attentive.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 07, 2022 08:07 PM (RkC6l)

183 Two great guitar players playing together without tripping over each others ego. At least not on camera.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 07, 2022 08:08 PM (hwoGt)

184 You're on the short list, RMBS.
Posted by: RI Red at August 07, 2022 08:06 PM

*fistbump*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 07, 2022 08:08 PM (RkC6l)

185 I'm happy to say that yes, I have been to the range lately, and much to my surprise I did not suck.

The Glock 36 continues to perform well after its barrel swap, it seems that was what it needed in order to be reliable. I have started carrying it again, because really, shooting twice is just silly.

I had to make a slight tweak to the rear sight windage on the Glock 19 and I managed to mostly hit what I was aiming at, and the Sig P220 continues to be much more accurate than I am, but I was regularly hitting the steel at 25 yards so I'll take it. I probably wouldn't be up to 8 of 10 at 40, but I was happy with my results.

In other news, the 80 percent lowers I had ordered have arrived, as well as the lower parts kit, so if my 3D printed lower doesn't hold up when it is next tested I'll have an alternative. (6.8 SPC, if you were wondering.)

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at August 07, 2022 08:11 PM (CcOog)

186 Hey now, I was part of the Navy CPO Khaki mafia. I actually had a civilian GS accuse me of that when I was active duty. And yes it was real.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 07, 2022 08:04 PM (bVYXr)
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I don't think SNCO's can actually be a "mafia" because their authority is legitimate and unquestioned.

Now the E-4 Mafia, yeah, that's a thing.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 08:12 PM (llXky)

187 The one and only Gran Puissance.
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Thanks. I didn't know the GP sobriquet.

I intend using the Browning 9mm Hi Power once I get my licence. I'm glad to see some fans here.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 07, 2022 08:13 PM (yikp0)

188 178

Thanks Colonel. That sure feels right. I probably need the dry fire feedback from something like the Mantis. 'Cause I can SEE what I'm doing.
Posted by: SecondCityLurker at August 07, 2022 08:06 PM (MEbkQ
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Yes, sorry, what I meant is that with dry fire that is I can see on my hands, specifically, what's causing an errant shot. Like you, I'd see holes somewhere and think - hmm, ok I'm pushing it over there. With dry fire I can pinpoint bad hand or trigger finger movement, which is what I could not see properly in live fire. At home I can slow-motion it and then I see exactly where the movement is coming from in my hands. I was never able to do that at the range.

Mantis will tell you what you're doing like a target at the range, and that's great. But being able to slow everything down and looking at your hands in dry fire is even better. I had no idea how much I was moving the gun laterally with my trigger finger until I got the DryFireMag. Absolutely clueless until I started taking the time to examine every little detail that you can't do in live fire.

Posted by: Colonel Travis at August 07, 2022 08:13 PM (Cgo1x)

189 Howdy Hordelings! Hello to Weasel and thanks for another outstanding gun thread. Back safely at Casa de Doof after a long but pleasant drive back from the range in NoVa (as blaster and sharon have mentioned in earlier comments). Thank you to the DMV Moron Gun Club for having me join the fun this afternoon! Was an amazing arsenal of firepower on display in the 2 range lanes we took over. Equally as enjoyable was the group dinner afterwards. Nothing like gathering together with Hordelings! Looking forward to seeing you all again!

Posted by: Doof at August 07, 2022 08:14 PM (yUjc0)

190 In other news, the 80 percent lowers I had ordered have arrived, as well as the lower parts kit, so if my 3D printed lower doesn't hold up when it is next tested I'll have an alternative. (6.8 SPC, if you were wondering.)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at August 07, 2022 08:11 PM (CcOog)


A GGE sighting? It's been a while, hasn't it?

Posted by: blaster at August 07, 2022 08:15 PM (6TxNR)

191 Haven't done anything firearm related this week. A case of tendonitis in the right arm (it had to be the right one, dammit) sidetracked matters. It's tiring to walk around like Popeye on one side.

I mention this only because I was trying to strengthen my grip and build stamina and overdid it. Just a warning not to be dumb like me. I keep forgetting I'm not 30 (or 40 or 50 or 60) anymore.

Bummer.

Posted by: JTB at August 07, 2022 08:15 PM (7EjX1)

192 Mentioned it last week, but I'm grateful to whomever recommended the PeaceKeeper trigger upgrade to the Ruger LCP in .380. It took at least half an inch off the pull, plus reducing the usual trigger bite.
I think I will be practicing with it much more. Nice, because its an EDC.

Posted by: RI Red at August 07, 2022 08:15 PM (SHxgX)

193 Posted by: Doof at August 07, 2022 08:14 PM (yUjc0)
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Howdy, bro! Sounds like you all had fun!

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 08:15 PM (0IeYL)

194 Any thoughts about the "new and improved" High Power FN introduced this year? I think it's a different pistol wearing the clothing of the old High Power.
Posted by: Ed L at August 07, 2022 08:07 PM (/lmRp)
Sorry had a Visla puppy wanting her lunchtime nap on my chest and makes for clumsy typing.

I missed SHOT this year and did not get to look at the new FN. I presume that it goes bang ok but have not looked at it. Having said that FN who I am a big fan of, do not always get it right. Looking at the 7.62 LSW machine gun. POS.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 08:16 PM (bgJ0E)

195 "166: I'm thick-headed, but I've learned that dry fire is like practice and live range time is your test."

I put a paper dot on my back bedroom window and I've been dry firing with the Sig since the Glocks are a PITA to dry fire. I haven't been doing it a lot, but I have been doing it, and I have really seen a difference. Imagine if I would dedicate regular time for it...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at August 07, 2022 08:16 PM (CcOog)

196 This is wisdom. Let us be attentive.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 07, 2022 08:07 PM (RkC6l)
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I think the whole "Which Browning design was the best" is pretty much begging the question because they are all brilliant.

Some designers come up with a great design or even a mechanism, but Browning freaking invented the slide. We can argue about whether the 1910, 1911, GP 35 slide was the coolest (the 1902 was the Steampunkiest), but without him...no slides at all.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 08:16 PM (llXky)

197 Been to the range this week, twice no less. And I've developed a push. Both on my carry piece, an HK SK, and my 19X. It's totally me and frustrating as all heck.

I've tightened up my wrists and that helped tighten my groups, but still pushing left.

Arrrrrr

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at August 07, 2022 07:56 PM

Pushing left may be the trigger press. See if you can adjust how much finger you put on the trigger and pull more straight back.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at August 07, 2022 08:17 PM (xcxpd)

198 Shooting that Uzi looks like fun Weasel. I've never shot a full auto rifle that I can recall. Maybe once overseas at a cobra (the snake) when i was out for a stroll one day.

Posted by: Javems at August 07, 2022 08:17 PM (oFUlW)

199 187 The one and only Gran Puissance.
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Thanks. I didn't know the GP sobriquet.

I intend using the Browning 9mm Hi Power once I get my licence. I'm glad to see some fans here.

Posted by: andycanuck
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The Browning High Power is one of the rare firearms that fits most hands with adjustment of grips. A Smith and Wesson K-Frame revolver is the same way. The trigger on the High Power combined with the mag disconnect are the major gripe points about them.

Dunno if the newer version by FN will feel right but Tisas is making one for quite a bit less that is a direct replica of the original High Power. Springfield's version is in the middle with some differences in mechanics but frame size is very close to the original.

Posted by: whig at August 07, 2022 08:18 PM (CXr4y)

200 A GGE sighting? It's been a while, hasn't it?
Posted by: blaster at August 07, 2022 08:15 PM (6TxNR)

It has. Working for a living really interferes with my goofing off time.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at August 07, 2022 08:18 PM (CcOog)

201 Posted by: Javems at August 07, 2022 08:17 PM (oFUlW)
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It's a good time, that's for sure. Coming to TX?

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 08:18 PM (0IeYL)

202 Now is the Diesel Robusto a cigar or an artillery round? Looks like it could be either.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 07, 2022 08:19 PM (+A+sw)

203 Browning was not without a questionable design. He is allowed at least one.

M1985 mg

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at August 07, 2022 08:19 PM (BfhXc)

204 Howdy, bro! Sounds like you all had fun!
Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 08:15 PM (0IeYL)


Indeed we did. Hope to see you soon. If not sooner, I will definitely see you in Texas.

Posted by: Doof at August 07, 2022 08:20 PM (yUjc0)

205 188: But being able to slow everything down and looking at your hands in dry fire is even better. I had no idea how much I was moving the gun laterally with my trigger
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I picked the HK with LEM partly to focus on trigger skills. I wanted to get as good as I possibly could on something LIKE a double action, and yet still be a carry-able semi auto. So, yeah ... all my flaws are in plain view. Aggravating, but okay. As I "improve" I find more things to work on.

And I like your advice/experience with doing things in slow-motion. I can see how that would make a big difference. Brilliant. When I was a musician, we'd encourage slow practice to hone in on your skills. Maybe similar

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at August 07, 2022 08:20 PM (MEbkQ)

206 Posted by: Doof at August 07, 2022 08:20 PM (yUjc0)
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Excellent!

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 08:20 PM (0IeYL)

207 This little fella is a Smith & Wesson Model 629-1 in .44 Magnum with a 3-inch barrel, made in 1987.

I guess it dates me to say I remember when that was new. I got one.

I had a fun drill for that: 4 magnums and 2 specials, randomly placed, spin the barrel, and start shooting. Made for a good way to overcome any flinching issues.

Posted by: Nerdbert at August 07, 2022 08:21 PM (mayVJ)

208 Last week was the Annual Hades Beach Week, and Brother In Law Hades, who lives in Occupied Virginia, was telling me he won a year long membership at some swanky shooting club up there, so Mrs Hades and I have been invited to bring our hardware for a workout next time we are in the area. Sounds like a good time to me.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at August 07, 2022 08:21 PM (CcOog)

209 Love the look of the wood grips on the Smith 629. But I would only use 44 specials or light magnum handloads in it. Except for CC, I'm not a fan of snubbies. I prefer the balance of longer barrel lengths. No judgement, just what works for me.

Posted by: JTB at August 07, 2022 08:21 PM (7EjX1)

210 197: Pushing left may be the trigger press. See if you can adjust how much finger you put on the trigger and pull more straight back.
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Yup ... finger placement/press between shots!

Thanks!

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at August 07, 2022 08:22 PM (MEbkQ)

211 110 Wow, really late this week.

I've got a good excuse though: drill weekend. One of my last.

I didn't go to a normal range, but I got some quality time with those electronic/air-powered thingies.

Tore things up with the M9 (which I do not like) and then got to play with the M4, which was a bit better.

Then, just for shits and giggles, we did a four-man fireteam, with half using M9s, half M4s, and hilarity ensued as the pistol-packers did endless mag dumps in the Hindu Kush.

It was fun and provided a bit of validation that my target drills actually have some validity in a military setting.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 07:43 PM (llXky)
We use the G17 simulator for department training, we can do it in our breakroom without all the smoke and noise. It's mag drop and change realistic weight and everything. But hey we all know the 'real advantage' of live fire, don't we? Oh yes we do.

Posted by: Eromero at August 07, 2022 08:22 PM (0OP+5)

212 BTW Weasel ...

Love shooting my friend's snubbies. Hot loads and a "hold on tight" grip! SO much fun

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at August 07, 2022 08:23 PM (MEbkQ)

213 Browning was not without a questionable design. He is allowed at least one.

M1985 mg

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at August 07, 2022 08:19 PM (BfhXc)
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Whoa, whoa, hold on a sec. I thought you were a person of discernment and taste, and then you rip on the Potato Digger?!?

That was a total lark, JB goofing on turning a lever action into a machinegun. And it worked!

And he tinkered, tinkered some more, and so we're still using M2s a century after he created them.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 08:24 PM (llXky)

214 Sorry had a Visla puppy wanting her lunchtime nap on my chest and makes for clumsy typing.
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We had a Vizsla dog at the place I worked at about 8 years ago. I used to enjoy walking /running him in the fields around the outside of the business-park's parking-lot and he enjoyed sniffing around for field mice to eat!

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 07, 2022 08:25 PM (yikp0)

215 I loved the drum guy with the little clacker things. He was all hunched over, workin' it! And loving it, evidently.

Posted by: GWB at August 07, 2022 08:25 PM (o61E1)

216 Need some expertise on this one. I have a 6.5mm carbine stamped:

1943-XX
BERETTA
GARDUNE?

I bought it many years ago for $10.00. Besides one of its use by a bad actor, where was this thing made? Some say South America.

Posted by: Javems at August 07, 2022 08:26 PM (oFUlW)

217 We use the G17 simulator for department training, we can do it in our breakroom without all the smoke and noise. It's mag drop and change realistic weight and everything. But hey we all know the 'real advantage' of live fire, don't we? Oh yes we do.

Posted by: Eromero at August 07, 2022 08:22 PM (0OP+5)
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Obviously, there's no substitute, but it was fun all the same. Remember, the two happiest words in the English language are:

FREE AMMO

And that's what the simulator gave me.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 08:26 PM (llXky)

218 Jest fer shits and giggles, my top 5 Browning designs in order are,
M2 .50
1911
GP35
A5 shotgun
FN Model D (a properly fixed BAR) 1918 BAR is about 10th on the list.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 08:27 PM (bgJ0E)

219 I have fired two evil handguns in my life, and both were revolvers. The first was a Ruger Super Redhawk in .454 Casull that Range Partner carries every day, and the second was the S and W 500. Fun for a little while, but punishing after the third shot or so.

Range Partner says if he ever has to use the Alaskan he will try really hard not to kill the person, cause he wants to beat them to death for making him fire that monster.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at August 07, 2022 08:27 PM (CcOog)

220 How many snubby fans do we have?
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J had one, but I've never fired it. Had to go look for it. I can't find a model # anywhere but it is a S&W K frame .38 Special. It might be a model 10 or 12???

Imma little scared to try it because I don't shoot little guns well.

Posted by: screaming in digital at August 07, 2022 08:28 PM (pkAcY)

221 By "its" I mean one like it.

Posted by: Javems at August 07, 2022 08:28 PM (oFUlW)

222 New gun this week - Steyr AUG. Got the white Stormtrooper edition because why not. Mounted an Aimpoint PRO on it and will be taking it the range on Monday. Should be fun!

Posted by: pilot141 at August 07, 2022 08:29 PM (JlOBj)

223 Posted by: SecondCityLurker at August 07, 2022 08:23 PM (MEbkQ)
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Me too! I must've watched too many detective shows when I was a kid.

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 08:29 PM (0IeYL)

224 Some designers come up with a great design or even a mechanism, but Browning freaking invented the slide. We can argue about whether the 1910, 1911, GP 35 slide was the coolest (the 1902 was the Steampunkiest), but without him...no slides at all.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 08:16 PM (llXky)
That right there. JMB was like Prometheus but in a good and righteousd way.

Posted by: Eromero at August 07, 2022 08:29 PM (0OP+5)

225 222 New gun this week - Steyr AUG. Got the white Stormtrooper edition because why not. Mounted an Aimpoint PRO on it and will be taking it the range on Monday. Should be fun!
Posted by: pilot141 at August 07, 2022 08:29 PM (JlOBj)

*Seethes in envy for white AUG*

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at August 07, 2022 08:29 PM (xcxpd)

226 Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 08:16 PM (bgJ0E)

Please post your thoughts if you can get your hands on it. I'd like to pick one up (if it becomes available), but almost $1300 a copy, I want some assurance that I'm not getting something that hasn't had all of the bugs removed prior to mass production (SIG P365, I'm looking at you).

Posted by: Ed L at August 07, 2022 08:29 PM (/lmRp)

227 216 Need some expertise on this one. I have a 6.5mm carbine stamped:

1943-XX
BERETTA
GARDUNE?

I bought it many years ago for $10.00. Besides one of its use by a bad actor, where was this thing made? Some say South America.

Posted by: Javems
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You have a Carcano carbine made by Beretta in Italy during WWII.

Posted by: whig at August 07, 2022 08:30 PM (CXr4y)

228 Late, again. How ya doin? BRB

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at August 07, 2022 08:31 PM (YbEGd)

229 Props to whig!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at August 07, 2022 08:31 PM (xcxpd)

230 222 New gun this week - Steyr AUG. Got the white Stormtrooper edition because why not. Mounted an Aimpoint PRO on it and will be taking it the range on Monday. Should be fun!
Posted by: pilot141 at August 07, 2022 08:29 PM (JlOBj)

Awesome. You will love it. Listen and you can hear tell you its time to change mags. Very, very good battle rifle.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 08:31 PM (bgJ0E)

231 The trigger on the High Power combined with the mag disconnect are the major gripe points about them.
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Thank you, whig.

I internet searched about the weapon and found a couple of reviews complaining about IIRC the magazine release button being too prominent but that a gunsmith could remedy the situation.

I'll see once I become licenced etc. and begin reporting firsthand here rather than just being a spectator on Sundays with you wonderful folks.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 07, 2022 08:31 PM (yikp0)

232 Jest fer shits and giggles, my top 5 Browning designs in order are,

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 08:27 PM (bgJ0E)
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I think the Browning 1910 is remarkably futuristic - smooth, hammerless, only a grip safety. Totally anticipates the Glock phenomenon. Also caused a world war, but let's not be picky.

The 1903 is sublime. Shot several, waiting for the right one to buy. Perfect aesthetics and .32 ACP (which he invented) is a deadly dream.

We should pause and contemplate all the cartridges he also invented. A peerless genius to be sure.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 08:31 PM (llXky)

233 Weasel: Me too! I must've watched too many detective shows when I was a kid.
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But did you have the Mattel snubbie and shoulder holster??

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at August 07, 2022 08:32 PM (MEbkQ)

234 Posted by: screaming in digital at August 07, 2022 08:28 PM (pkAcY)
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Look inside the crane. Depending on its age it may not have a model number. They just take some getting used to. Practice!!

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 08:32 PM (0IeYL)

235 Did Browning create any new calibers or did he just design around the current calibers at the time?

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at August 07, 2022 08:33 PM (BfhXc)

236 Posted by: SecondCityLurker at August 07, 2022 08:32 PM (MEbkQ)
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No, I don't recall a shoulder holster! Sweet!

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 08:34 PM (0IeYL)

237 It's a good time, that's for sure. Coming to TX?

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 08:18 PM (0IeYL)

Planning on it. Need to decide what to bring if anything. Narrowed it down to the 1917 and/or a 98 Krag carbine. Two rifles are jut too much to tote. Need your input. I'll email you next week if that's OK

Posted by: Javems at August 07, 2022 08:34 PM (oFUlW)

238 We should pause and contemplate all the cartridges he also invented. A peerless genius to be sure.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 08:31 PM (llXky)

You read my mind Kreskin. 😀

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at August 07, 2022 08:35 PM (BfhXc)

239 235 Did Browning create any new calibers or did he just design around the current calibers at the time?
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at August 07, 2022 08:33 PM (BfhXc)

.32, .380, .45 acp all invented by JMB

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at August 07, 2022 08:35 PM (xcxpd)

240 216 Need some expertise on this one. I have a 6.5mm carbine stamped:
1943-XX
BERETTA
GARDUNE?
I bought it many years ago for $10.00. Besides one of its use by a bad actor, where was this thing made? Some say South America.
Posted by: Javems
You have a Carcano carbine made by Beretta in Italy during WWII.
Posted by: whig at August 07, 2022 08:30 PM (CXr4y)

Concur. Worth between $150.00 to $400.00 depending on condition and arsenal stamps, etc.

Nice carbines.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 07, 2022 08:35 PM (R/m4+)

241 Posted by: Javems at August 07, 2022 08:34 PM (oFUlW)
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Great! Email me anytime.

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 08:36 PM (0IeYL)

242 Off the top of my head...

.25 ACP, which faithfully replicated .22 LR but in centerfire mode, adapted to a pocket pistol.

.32 ACP, semi-rimmed, which was at one point the most popular caliber in the world. The US has turned against it, but other countries still love it.

.380 ACP, because moar is better.

.45 ACP because .380 wasn't enough.

.50 BMG because building a machine gun around an anti-tank rifle cartridge is what real mean do.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 08:36 PM (llXky)

243 "Not expensive, a Pusat holster."

Here's my problem:
"the Look and Feel of The Leather Will Only With It Will Integrate With Your Personality as You use it"
That's not English-as-your-primary-tongue. It's not even romance-or-Germanic-as-your-primary-tongue. I'm guessing (I checked out their prices) their inexpensive nature is because they're imported from either eastern Asia or the middle east (like Turkey).

Just saying.
(I own leather stuff from Turkey. It's decent quality, often.)

Posted by: GWB at August 07, 2022 08:38 PM (o61E1)

244 No, I don't recall a shoulder holster! Sweet!
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I was the envy of the neighborhood: shootin' shell no less.

Good, simpler times with fine kids who knew the difference between good and bad guys. Sigh, my age is showing.

Night Weasel. Great thread as always. I have to go clean guns out in the garage.

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at August 07, 2022 08:39 PM (MEbkQ)

245 Posted by: SecondCityLurker at August 07, 2022 08:39 PM (MEbkQ)
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Goodnight amigo. Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 08:41 PM (0IeYL)

246 Topic for a future gun thread: What is the best 10mm for the budget-minded shooter that isn't a Glock?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 08:41 PM (llXky)

247 Boots polished, khakis pressed, tie selected, standard one each blue jacket brushed. Funeral tomorrow for a deputy of many years, ace shooter and hunter, bass player, and monster jeepster.

Posted by: Eromero at August 07, 2022 08:41 PM (0OP+5)

248
We should pause and contemplate all the cartridges he also invented. A peerless genius to be sure.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 08:31 PM (llXky)

True. *GENUFLECTS*

Three years ago I visited the Browning Museum above an old railway station. Amazballs. The staff were great and were giving me a run down on all the M2 .50's out the back , when they took delivery of the prototype of flapper lever action /auto loading rifle that has just been found at Rock Island Arsenal. They were ecstatic about getting it for the museum.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 08:42 PM (bgJ0E)

249 I am guessing it's best use in a double barrel shotgun.

Posted by: blaster at August 07, 2022 07:19 PM (6TxNR)

I'm guessing it's best use is to give to that one range jerk to "try".

Posted by: GWB at August 07, 2022 08:44 PM (o61E1)

250 226 Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 08:16 PM (bgJ0E)

Please post your thoughts if you can get your hands on it. I'd like to pick one up (if it becomes available), but almost $1300 a copy, I want some assurance that I'm not getting something that hasn't had all of the bugs removed prior to mass production (SIG P365, I'm looking at you).

Posted by: Ed L at August 07, 2022 08:29 PM (/lmRp)


Ed L, the new FN High Power is not a clone of the original. A couple of reviews are below. I have not handled one of the new ones, I suggest you do before buying.

https://tinyurl.com/32evv8vw

https://tinyurl.com/5n722d4a

Posted by: Gref at August 07, 2022 08:45 PM (AMIL/)

251 (I own leather stuff from Turkey. It's decent quality, often.)

Posted by: GWB at August 07, 2022 08:38 PM (o61E1)
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Made from real Turkeys or real Turks?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 08:45 PM (llXky)

252 You have a Carcano carbine made by Beretta in Italy during WWII.

Posted by: whig at August 07, 2022 08:30 PM (CXr4y)

Thanks. I was thinking that. Gun store guy would not believe it even though it says Beretta right on the receiver. It has beautiful tiger striped stock that my little brother varnished decades ago. He was so proud of it I can't bring myself to strip it.

Posted by: Javems at August 07, 2022 08:45 PM (oFUlW)

253 Topic for a future gun thread: What is the best 10mm for the budget-minded shooter that isn't a Glock?
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 08:41 PM (llXky)

I assume it would be a CZ.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at August 07, 2022 08:47 PM (BfhXc)

254 A "limpwristing" lesson from the TxMoMe

Several years ago I was helping introduce a young lady to shooting at the TxMoMe. Shooting a G19, she had a malfunction almost every shot. A classic case of limp wristing, right? Tried various things, though including standing behind her (and with her permission) locking my hands hard on wrists. No help. She was about 6 ft tall, and I doubt weighted even 100 lbs. Finally, in a moment of either inspiration or desperation, I grabbed something in .40 S&W, and had her shoot it. No malfunctions. She wasn't limp wristing per se, she just didn't have enough body mass for that G19.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 07, 2022 08:48 PM (75y46)

255 However, if you had put Johnny Cash's version of the song I would have selected that one hands down.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 07, 2022 07:13 PM (fe7in)


My brother!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at August 07, 2022 08:48 PM (hOUT3)

256 testing new tablet.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 07, 2022 08:48 PM (u73oe)

257 Three years ago I visited the Browning Museum above an old railway station. Amazballs. The staff were great and were giving me a run down on all the M2 .50's out the back , when they took delivery of the prototype of flapper lever action /auto loading rifle that has just been found at Rock Island Arsenal. They were ecstatic about getting it for the museum.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 08:42 PM (bgJ0E)
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I found the 1911 Uber Alles crowd really annoying when I started shooting and they turned me against this otherwise important design.

But the more I experience Browning designs, the more I appreciate them.

Seriously, folks. The 1950s repops of Browning 1910s yield nothing to today's pocket pistols.

And think about all the derivatives of his designs, which include...just about everyone. Sure, Walther and SIG and Beretta came up with cool variations and built upon his ideas, but without him, we'd all be using Webley-Scott automatics or toggle-locks.

*Shudder*

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 08:50 PM (llXky)

258 Posted by: screaming in digital at August 07, 2022 08:28 PM (pkAcY)

SID, my tips for snubbies based on my Colt snub nosed collection:
1) Shoot 130 grain FMJ your first time out. This is the mildest recoiling .38 Special load that's readily available.
2) Shoot it single action (if possible) before trying double action.
3) Check how your hands feel on the snubbie's grips before going to the range. The tiny grips on the J-frame and some K-frames just don't work for me; I have to have a good set of rubber Pachmyr grips to get the best results. If it doesn't feel good in your hands, you probably won't shoot well w/ it.

Posted by: Ed L at August 07, 2022 08:50 PM (/lmRp)

259 Turns out, you need more than one tool.

Posted by: Good for the Gander at August 07, 2022 07:28 PM (LGaLJ)

I'm doing my best to actually go by my perceived "needs" and a few "I wants" and not get beyond that. Otherwise I will need a MUCH bigger house. (And more land.)

Posted by: GWB at August 07, 2022 08:50 PM (o61E1)

260 I assume it would be a CZ.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at August 07, 2022 08:47 PM (BfhXc)
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I'll allow it.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 08:51 PM (llXky)

261 Topic for a future gun thread: What is the best 10mm for the budget-minded shooter that isn't a Glock?
Posted by: F


why bother? why buy a gun you cannot afford?

Posted by: confederatefifth at August 07, 2022 08:51 PM (dtoUC)

262 Tried various things, though including standing behind her (and with her permission) locking my hands hard on wrists.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 07, 2022 08:48 PM (75y46)

She do pottery?

Posted by: Javems at August 07, 2022 08:52 PM (oFUlW)

263 What is the legal requirement for buying ammo in Tx? For a non resident and damm foreigner to boot?

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 08:52 PM (bgJ0E)

264 What is the legal requirement for buying ammo in Tx? For a non resident and damm foreigner to boot?

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 08:52 PM (bgJ0E)
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*big smile*

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 08:53 PM (llXky)

265 Posted by: Gref at August 07, 2022 08:45 PM (AMIL/)

Thanks, Gref, will do. I can wait until I start seeing them in person to handle myself, rather than buying sight unseen.

Posted by: Ed L at August 07, 2022 08:53 PM (/lmRp)

266 in fairness, the average guy has no need or use for a pistol calibre carbine, it is a niche weapn.

Posted by: confederatefifth at August 07, 2022 08:53 PM (dtoUC)

267 I assume it would be a CZ.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at August 07, 2022 08:47 PM (BfhXc)
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I'll allow it.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 08:51 PM (llXky)

I only said that because I think that's what Cooper used when he created the 10mm. Is my ignorance showing again? ( can't believe I forgot about Browning creating the .45 and .32)

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at August 07, 2022 08:54 PM (BfhXc)

268 246 Topic for a future gun thread: What is the best 10mm for the budget-minded shooter that isn't a Glock?
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 08:41 PM (llXky)

I got a Springfield XDm in 10mm a couple of months ago for < $700. I’ve been extremely impressed with it. That was a purchase that I made without Mrs Prolix’s knowledge, and she didn’t divorce me. As Weasel pointed out, I’ve got a true keeper!

Posted by: Prolix at August 07, 2022 08:55 PM (I3xg0)

269 I only said that because I think that's what Cooper used when he created the 10mm. Is my ignorance showing again? ( can't believe I forgot about Browning creating the .45 and .32)

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at August 07, 2022 08:54 PM (BfhXc)
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I hadn't considered CZ and I don't own one, but I should.

*raises glass*

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 08:55 PM (llXky)

270 in fairness, the average guy has no need or use for a pistol calibre carbine, it is a niche weapn.
Posted by: confederatefifth at August 07, 2022 08:53 PM (dtoUC)

To be fair, do you just copy and paste your same comment week to week? 😀

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at August 07, 2022 08:56 PM (BfhXc)

271 As a follow up, any folks on the south (eastish) side of Houston? Would love to find folks to shoot with.

Posted by: Prolix at August 07, 2022 08:57 PM (I3xg0)

272 264 What is the legal requirement for buying ammo in Tx? For a non resident and damm foreigner to boot?
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 08:52 PM (bgJ0E)
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*big smile*
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 08:53 PM (llXky)

I take it that I still need to be wearing pants in this situation?

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 08:57 PM (bgJ0E)

273
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 08:52 PM (bgJ0E)
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Waltz in and plop down your money. Tell 'em Weasel said it was OK.

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 08:58 PM (0IeYL)

274 262 Tried various things, though including standing behind her (and with her permission) locking my hands hard on wrists.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 07, 2022 08:48 PM (75y46)

She do pottery?
Posted by: Javems at August 07, 2022 08:52 PM (oFUlW)
Well done! Snorfled some good Wild Turkey, but that's ok.

Posted by: Eromero at August 07, 2022 08:58 PM (0OP+5)

275 To be fair, do you just copy and paste your same comment week to week? 😀
Posted by: Ant



in fairness, why? somebody is always rolling in explaining how great the pistol calibre carbine is without explaining why?

it is too big to conceal and underpowered relative to its ar peers. are they fun, yes. are they smart, no.

Posted by: confederatefifth at August 07, 2022 08:59 PM (dtoUC)

276 I got a Springfield XDm in 10mm a couple of months ago for

Posted by: Prolix at August 07, 2022 08:55 PM (I3xg0)
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Interesting. I played with the Rock Island version and it was a brick. Bricks have their place, but not in my small soft girlish hands.

I gotta say, getting a CZ in 10mm is inspired, though. Not sure I can settle for anything less now that it's been suggested...

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 08:59 PM (llXky)

277 Javems,
Go to Carcano dot org and they have resources including identifying marks. FWIW, Beretta made are generally better than those made by government arsenals.

Posted by: whig at August 07, 2022 08:59 PM (CXr4y)

278 Thank you Ed L! I may give it a try next time. I haven't met a revolver yet that I didn't like...

Posted by: screaming in digital at August 07, 2022 09:00 PM (pkAcY)

279
I take it that I still need to be wearing pants in this situation?

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 08:57 PM (bgJ0E)
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My friend, you are about to experience true freedom.

You walk in, select your ammo, and pay for it.

That's it. That's how it works.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 09:00 PM (llXky)

280 Jest fer shits and giggles, my top 5 Browning designs in order are,
M2 .50
1911
GP35
A5 shotgun
FN Model D (a properly fixed BAR) 1918 BAR is about 10th on the list.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 08:27 PM


No love for the Potato Digger?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 07, 2022 09:01 PM (RCkqB)

281 I take it that I still need to be wearing pants in this situation?

Posted by: NZF



depends

Posted by: confederatefifth at August 07, 2022 09:01 PM (dtoUC)

282 273
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 08:52 PM (bgJ0E)
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Waltz in and plop down your money. Tell 'em Weasel said it was OK.
Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 08:58 PM (0IeYL)

OK, thanks, pants are still optional I take it?

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 09:02 PM (bgJ0E)

283 For people who live in suburbia or areas where there is dense cover/short sight lines, pistol caliber carbines make more sense than any other platform.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 09:02 PM (llXky)

284 Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 09:02 PM (bgJ0E)
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Sure!

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 09:02 PM (0IeYL)

285 For people who live in suburbia or areas where there is dense cover/short sight lines, pistol caliber carbines make more sense than any other platform.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner


this is entirely wrong.

Posted by: confederatefifth at August 07, 2022 09:02 PM (dtoUC)

286
No love for the Potato Digger?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 07, 2022 09:01 PM (RCkqB)

As a forerunner, my colonial oath, as a best of breed, working bang bang? Not so much.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 09:04 PM (bgJ0E)

287 279
I take it that I still need to be wearing pants in this situation?

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 08:57 PM (bgJ0E)

Pants are optional. In Texas, they’ll drop 1000 rounds in front of your garage. Nobody will judge if you pick it up in pajamas.

Posted by: Prolix at August 07, 2022 09:04 PM (I3xg0)

288 For people who live in suburbia or areas where there is dense cover/short sight lines, pistol caliber carbines make more sense than any other platform.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner


this is entirely wrong.

Posted by: confederatefifth at August 07, 2022 09:02 PM


Please share why this is wrong with the group.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 07, 2022 09:04 PM (bVYXr)

289 OK, thanks, pants are still optional I take it?

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 09:02 PM (bgJ0E)
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This is America. You can wear a damn dress if you want. We don't judge.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 09:04 PM (llXky)

290 Something I just caught while dry-firing...
When I moved my focus from the front sight to the target, I suddenly pushed forward when I pulled the trigger - like I was anticipating recoil. I wasn't doing it when focusing on the front sight.

A psychological bit to keep in mind when shooting?

Posted by: GWB at August 07, 2022 09:04 PM (o61E1)

291 we'd all be using Webley-Scott automatics or toggle-locks.

*Shudder*
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 08:50 PM (llXky)

Luddite denier!

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 09:04 PM (bgJ0E)

292 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 09:02 PM (llXky)

Don't get caught up in his vortex.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at August 07, 2022 09:05 PM (sWbrH)

293 Luddite denier!

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 09:04 PM (bgJ0E)
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I think the total run of the Webley-Scott was less than a month's production of the 1911.

And that pretty much wrapped it up for the Big Book of British Self-Loading Pistols.

After that it was all Brownings (HAH!) and then Glocks (weeps quietly).

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 09:07 PM (llXky)

294 Just a heads-up for TxMoMe attendees. If at all possible, buy your ammo ahead of time. If you do not have a firearm (handgun or long gun) bring the ammunition of whatever gub you want to try. There will most likely be a firearm you have longed to shoot, wanted to shoot, needed to shoot. Get the picture? We have 2 months to plan, let us know what you want to try. Lets make it a good experience, yo?

Posted by: Eromero at August 07, 2022 09:07 PM (0OP+5)

295 For people who live in suburbia or areas where there is dense cover/short sight lines, pistol caliber carbines make more sense than any other platform.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner

this is entirely wrong.
Posted by: confederatefifth at August 07, 2022 09:02 PM
Please share why this is wrong with the group.
Posted by: Mister

you want a pistol round in a heavy cover environment?
which military law enforcement agencies issue pistol calibre carbines more than ars?
is that not enough? nobody uses pistol calibre carbines.
too big, under powered, under ranged.

Posted by: confederatefifth at August 07, 2022 09:08 PM (K/9hT)

296 Early night tonight. Thanks Weasel and all you gunnies. Lots of knowledge here.

Posted by: RI Red at August 07, 2022 09:08 PM (SHxgX)

297 Posted by: Eromero at August 07, 2022 09:07 PM (0OP+5)
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Thanks Eromero! Excellent PSA, brother.

If you plan on shooting, please plan on bringing some ammo.

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 09:09 PM (0IeYL)

298 Get the picture? We have 2 months to plan, let us know what you want to try. Lets make it a good experience, yo?
Posted by: Eromero at August 07, 2022 09:07 PM (0OP+5)


So you are saying if I bring my M2..........

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 09:10 PM (bgJ0E)

299 28 Good evening gub threaders!

Got home a little while ago from our bi-weekly DMV MGC and mini-mome. Today we had a special guest: Doof.

He had a good time in the Nation's Most Advanced Indoor Range and a bunch of morons.

Over dinner we determined that it is indeed true that Marylanders are the worst driver in this country, and that's probably because they have so many Leftists.

Posted by: blaster at August 07, 2022 07:13 PM (6TxNR)
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I thought Boston drivers had that dubious (dis)honor? Heck every city there in MA is full of Leftists.

Posted by: Ciampino - Did you pak your cah in Havad Squahre? at August 07, 2022 09:10 PM (qfLjt)

300 Posted by: RI Red at August 07, 2022 09:08 PM (SHxgX)
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Goodnight, amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 09:10 PM (0IeYL)

301 272 264 What is the legal requirement for buying ammo in Tx? For a non resident and damm foreigner to boot?
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 08:52 PM (bgJ0E)
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*big smile*
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 08:53 PM (llXky)

I take it that I still need to be wearing pants in this situation?
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 08:57 PM


Some states, like Kalifornia, you would have that problem. Texas. Is. Not. Like. That.

You're probably ok w/o pants, as long as you're wearing your cowboy boots and cattleman crease hat.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 07, 2022 09:10 PM (UdJdw)

302 You're probably ok w/o pants, as long as you're wearing your cowboy boots and cattleman crease hat.
Posted by: Duncanthrax

when did dick cheney decide to attend?

Posted by: confederatefifth at August 07, 2022 09:11 PM (K/9hT)

303 So you are saying if I bring my M2..........

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 09:10 PM (bgJ0E)
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It will be looked upon with admiration.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 09:13 PM (llXky)

304 98 Get the picture? We have 2 months to plan, let us know what you want to try. Lets make it a good experience, yo?
Posted by: Eromero at August 07, 2022 09:07 PM (0OP+5)


So you are saying if I bring my M2..........
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 09:10 PM (bgJ0E)
Frank, SG Ammo has had 50 BMG the past few weeks. Shipping may be 'complicated' for you tho.

Posted by: Eromero at August 07, 2022 09:13 PM (0OP+5)

305 Late Gub Thread greetings, 'ettes and 'rons, and thanks as always to our host Weasel for the girthy comment.

Range regret report - my local freedom store had a used Cetme 308 show up on their Facebook {spit} page on Wednesday for under $1K. I did some preliminary Google-fu on the rifle and found generally good reviews. What I did not do is to ping my buddy who co-owns said freedom store to place a hold on it, since I was going to visit them on Friday afternoon anyway.

Anybody want to guess what was no longer available when I arrived? {kicks self}

The upside is that they still have an AR-15 with the scary top handle site in inventory. Might have to add it to my collection just for the effect it will have on the hoplophobes.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at August 07, 2022 09:13 PM (v23vE)

306 Topic for a future gun thread: What is the best 10mm for the budget-minded shooter that isn't a Glock?
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 08:41 PM (llXky)


Rock Island Armory/Armscor makes a variety of 1911 Model 70 10mm pistols. Bare-bones full size one is $620 today at Palmetto. They make double-stack versions, can't recall the prices. Hickok45 reviewed it and liked it, but it's heavy, over 3 pounds. I think Springfield Armory makes 10mm 1911's too.

Sig recently began selling a P320 X5 10mm, 15 round mags. Price is about $800, but could be a bit more.

Posted by: Gref at August 07, 2022 09:13 PM (AMIL/)

307 you want a pistol round in a heavy cover environment?
which military law enforcement agencies issue pistol calibre carbines more than ars?
is that not enough? nobody uses pistol calibre carbines.
too big, under powered, under ranged.

Posted by: confederatefifth at August 07, 2022 09:08 PM


You want to use a high caliber round that will penetrate your walls and the walls of your neighbors next door? We ain't cops or military, we are just responsible for defending our house from the bad guys trying to get in.


Remember, you are responsible for every single bullet that leaves your gun. Pop off a 5.56 or a 7.62 round in your house and it is going to two or three houses down the street if you miss.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 07, 2022 09:14 PM (bVYXr)

308 Actually made it out to the range today between the raindrops. My 6.5 Grendel AR build really likes Hornady Black ammo with the 123gr ELD bullet and if I do my part (always a fair question), it looks like it will group at least MOA if not sub-MOA. With 110gr Prvi it turns into a scattergun. To be fair the Prvi ammo really isn't marketed as match but still surprising at how much different it shoots between the two ammo types.

I recently got a decent deal on some of the ELD bullets so looks like I'm going to have to reverse engineer that ammo like I did the Federal Gold Medal that my RPR likes.

Posted by: Arch Stanton at August 07, 2022 09:14 PM (pkUXE)

309
You're probably ok w/o pants, as long as you're wearing your cowboy boots and cattleman crease hat.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 07, 2022 09:10 PM (UdJdw)

I have the boots (and the tattoo) but as not a Texan could not possibly get the hat. That's dishonest.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 09:14 PM (bgJ0E)

310 Posted by: confederatefifth at August 07, 2022 08:59 PM (dtoUC)

As a skeptic of PCC's until fairly recently, I'll offer up my reasons why PCC's still have a place in the arsenal:
1) A training tool for new shooters. PCCs (especially 9mm PCC) have milder recoil compared to most other centerfire rifles, which make it easier to train and familiarize new shooters w/ marksmanship fundamentals.
2) $$. 9mm is still a relatively cheap centerfire cartridge to shoot compared to the rest of the field.
4) You can shoot it on all indoor ranges, even those that can't handle rifle rounds. This is a real issue for those of us in urban/suburban environments where shooting ranges are tough to come by.
5) PCCs make for better suppressor hosts. When using subsonic ammo combined w/ a good suppressor, you can get very good results.

None of these have anything to do w/ using PCC/SMG for self-defense or combat operations. You're correct in that the era of the SMG/PCC in the CQB role has (mostly) passed on. But as introductions for new shooters, and as "gateways" to the NFA world of suppressors/silencers, I still think PCC have a part to play.

Posted by: Ed L at August 07, 2022 09:15 PM (/lmRp)

311 OK, 9:16 thank you time.

Thank you! Thank you all for being here!

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 09:16 PM (0IeYL)

312 If you wear chaps they won't know you don't have pants on until you leave.

Posted by: fd at August 07, 2022 09:16 PM (sn5EN)

313 WWeeeeeeeeeeeasel!

Posted by: Pauly Bro'shore at August 07, 2022 09:16 PM (f5YF0)

314 To be a bit more clear, in most US states, there is only an age requirement for ammunition purchases and if you are "of a certain age" they will not even ask.

Some states - no doubt filled with impotent wrath upon seeing the freedoms offered elsewhere - have tried to impose various restrictions, but Texas is not one of those states.

In Michigan ("the Texas of the North") I can't recall any interest whatsoever in buying ammunition. It's like buying shoes or discount Hawaiian shirts. You pay the money, you take it home.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 09:16 PM (llXky)

315 have the boots (and the tattoo) but as not a Texan could not possibly get the hat. That's dishonest.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 09:14 PM (bgJ0E)

I know you're a Zealander but you could wear one of those Australian Outback hats like Crocodile Dundee.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at August 07, 2022 09:17 PM (sWbrH)

316 Posted by: Pauly Bro'shore at August 07, 2022 09:16 PM (f5YF0)
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Howdy and welcome!

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 09:17 PM (0IeYL)

317
So you are saying if I bring my M2..........
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 09:10 PM (bgJ0E)
Frank, SG Ammo has had 50 BMG the past few weeks. Shipping may be 'complicated' for you tho.
Posted by: Eromero at August 07, 2022 09:13 PM (0OP+5)

Sigh, it is complicated. For a flying visit, not going to happen. Only if I could bring my collection over......

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 09:17 PM (bgJ0E)

318 OK, thanks, pants are still optional I take it?

The classier establishments will appreciate it. Walmart won't care but then they also won't have the ammo you want.

Posted by: Oddbob at August 07, 2022 09:18 PM (nfrXX)

319 309
You're probably ok w/o pants, as long as you're wearing your cowboy boots and cattleman crease hat.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 07, 2022 09:10 PM (UdJdw)

I have the boots (and the tattoo) but as not a Texan could not possibly get the hat. That's dishonest.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 09:14 PM (bgJ0E)
John Deere hat will always get you in anyplace in Texas and the first thing you will likely hear is 'What can I get for you?'.

Posted by: Eromero at August 07, 2022 09:19 PM (0OP+5)

320 Rock Island Armory/Armscor makes a variety of 1911 Model 70 10mm pistols. Bare-bones full size one is $620 today at Palmetto. They make double-stack versions, can't recall the prices. Hickok45 reviewed it and liked it, but it's heavy, over 3 pounds. I think Springfield Armory makes 10mm 1911's too.

Sig recently began selling a P320 X5 10mm, 15 round mags. Price is about $800, but could be a bit more.

Posted by: Gref at August 07, 2022 09:13 PM (AMIL/)
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Thank you! I think this would be a fun topic for a future thread.

Weasel, could we look into this? I think it would be fun and informative.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 09:19 PM (llXky)

321
I know you're a Zealander but you could wear one of those Australian Outback hats like Crocodile Dundee.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at August 07, 2022 09:17 PM (sWbrH)

Nah I would look like a twat. J hats and shooting caps more my speed.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 09:19 PM (bgJ0E)

322 Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 09:17 PM (0IeYL)

Great thread again. I've loved my Harris bipod and CBDs almost 1911 is great.

Posted by: Pauly Bro'shore at August 07, 2022 09:20 PM (f5YF0)

323 John Deere hat will always get you in anyplace in Texas and the first thing you will likely hear is 'What can I get for you?'.
Posted by: Eromero at August 07, 2022 09:19 PM (0OP+5)

Well bugger me dead and sideways, I am wearing a JD hat as we type. Spooky.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 09:21 PM (bgJ0E)

324 Posted by: Ed L at August 07, 2022 09:15 PM (/lmRp)

He acts like they are ineffective not that there is just a better alternative. If they were ineffective SMGs would never have been used by SOF, the Secret Service, Tactical Units , etc in the first place.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at August 07, 2022 09:21 PM (sWbrH)

325 OK, thanks, pants are still optional I take it?

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 09:02 PM (bgJ0E)
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This is America. You can wear a damn dress if you want. We don't judge.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 09:04 PM (llXky)

Thread winner

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 07, 2022 09:21 PM (Y+l9t)

326 OK, thanks, pants are still optional I take it?

Technically, no. I've seen signs on lots of stores and restaurants reading No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service. But I cannot recall one in the States reading No Pants, No Service.

Posted by: Gref at August 07, 2022 09:21 PM (AMIL/)

327 "special" weapons

Do your "special weapons" require a " no-lone zone?"

Posted by: Fox2! at August 07, 2022 09:21 PM (43I4c)

328 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 09:19 PM (llXky)
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I don't have much direct 10mm experience, but you're welcome to write something up with the typical size constraints.

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 09:22 PM (0IeYL)

329 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 09:07 PM (llXky)

If you look closely at a Glock, you'll see that it still uses JMB's tilting barrel as part of its operation. Just like the 1911. You could say that the Glock is, in a sense, a child (a bastard one, perhaps) of JMB's inventive mind.

Posted by: Ed L at August 07, 2022 09:22 PM (/lmRp)

330 Nah I would look like a twat. J hats and shooting caps more my speed.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 09:19 PM (bgJ0E)
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What self-respecting Kiwi wants to look like an Aussie, amirite?

Beware, though. The southern accent is curiously seductive. A week in Appalachia and this Yankee was picking it up.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 09:22 PM (llXky)

331 Posted by: Pauly Bro'shore at August 07, 2022 09:20 PM (f5YF0)
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*fistbump*

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 09:23 PM (0IeYL)

332 Thanks for hosting, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at August 07, 2022 09:23 PM (/lmRp)

333 Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 09:21 PM (bgJ0E)
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I knew I liked you!

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 09:24 PM (0IeYL)

334 What is the best 10mm for the budget-minded shooter that isn't a Glock?
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 08:41 PM (llXky)

A 9mm.

Posted by: GWB at August 07, 2022 09:24 PM (o61E1)

335 ...could not possibly get the hat.
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Bring your lemon-squeezer -- it's just like a dented Stetson!

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 07, 2022 09:25 PM (yikp0)

336 Posted by: Fox2! at August 07, 2022 09:21 PM (43I4c)
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Not that special.

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 09:25 PM (0IeYL)

337 I don't have much direct 10mm experience, but you're welcome to write something up with the typical size constraints.

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 09:22 PM (0IeYL)
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I've shot it some, and after watching almost *all* of Miami Vice on dvd (don't judge me!), I really, really want one.

It's not all that in terms of power, but it's fun and crisp. I'll see what I can come up with for you.

Thanks again, love this thread.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 09:25 PM (llXky)

338 thought Boston drivers had that dubious (dis)honor? Heck every city there in MA is full of Leftists.
Posted

Which is why I left. However, after moving to MD, I have decided to identify as a Floridian.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 07, 2022 09:25 PM (Y+l9t)

339 Posted by: Ed L at August 07, 2022 09:23 PM (/lmRp)
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Thanks for checking in Ed L!

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 09:26 PM (0IeYL)

340 326 OK, thanks, pants are still optional I take it?

Technically, no. I've seen signs on lots of stores and restaurants reading No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service. But I cannot recall one in the States reading No Pants, No Service.
Posted by: Gref at August 07, 2022 09:21 PM (AMIL/)

Great point! * writes in notebook*

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 09:26 PM (bgJ0E)

341 334 What is the best 10mm for the budget-minded shooter that isn't a Glock?
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 08:41 PM (llXky)

A 9mm.

Posted by: GWB at August 07, 2022 09:24 PM (o61E1)


Actually it would be a .40S&W pistol. 10mm bullet. :-)

Posted by: Gref at August 07, 2022 09:27 PM (AMIL/)

342 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 09:25 PM (llXky)
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Sounds bueno. Happy to hear it!

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 09:27 PM (0IeYL)

343 OK, thanks, pants are still optional I take it?

I'll never give up my cargo pants.

Posted by: Pauly Bro'shore at August 07, 2022 09:27 PM (f5YF0)

344 Thanks Weasel.

Posted by: whig at August 07, 2022 09:27 PM (CXr4y)

345 If you look closely at a Glock, you'll see that it still uses JMB's tilting barrel as part of its operation. Just like the 1911. You could say that the Glock is, in a sense, a child (a bastard one, perhaps) of JMB's inventive mind.

Posted by: Ed L at August 07, 2022 09:22 PM (/lmRp)
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LOL, my daughter was doing the vocational school for law enforcement and they had a quiz on handgun parts. She'd never handled a Glock, but recognized them due to shooting we had done, and aced the test. Only person in her class to do it.

She thanked me for making her clean her weapon after shooting it.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 09:28 PM (llXky)

346 333 Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 09:21 PM (bgJ0E)
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I knew I liked you!
Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 09:24 PM (0IeYL)
Just wait till you meet me. I'll soon fix that.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 09:28 PM (bgJ0E)

347 Thanks for another thread, Weasel, sir!

Posted by: Gref at August 07, 2022 09:28 PM (AMIL/)

348 Great point! * writes in notebook*

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 09:26 PM (bgJ0E)
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Have you a kilt? Those go over well in certain areas.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 09:29 PM (llXky)

349 Posted by: whig at August 07, 2022 09:27 PM (CXr4y)
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You bet, whig. Happy to do it!

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 09:29 PM (0IeYL)

350 Posted by: Gref at August 07, 2022 09:28 PM (AMIL/)
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My pleasure!

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 09:30 PM (0IeYL)

351 35 ...could not possibly get the hat.
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Bring your lemon-squeezer -- it's just like a dented Stetson!
Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 07, 2022 09:25 PM (yikp0)

But that means I have to wear my No#1's. Bit hot to wear and no parade going on. Look a wee bit silly. Mind you girlies like a uniform.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 09:30 PM (bgJ0E)

352 I have one .40 and one 10MM, both Glocks. Both shoot pretty good. It is what it is.

Posted by: Eromero at August 07, 2022 09:30 PM (0OP+5)

353 Just wait till you meet me. I'll soon fix that.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 09:28 PM (bgJ0E)
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Perhaps, but the John Deere hat will help!

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 09:31 PM (0IeYL)

354 326 OK, thanks, pants are still optional I take it?

Technically, no. I've seen signs on lots of stores and restaurants reading No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service. But I cannot recall one in the States reading No Pants, No Service.

Posted by: Gref at August 07, 2022 09:21 PM (AMIL/)
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There are places that if one goes in with no pants then they will be 'serviced'. Bathhouses should be avoided.

Posted by: Buttgig - You are welcome pantless into my house ..hmm yes. at August 07, 2022 09:31 PM (qfLjt)

355 Have you a kilt? Those go over well in certain areas.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 09:29 PM (llXky)

Yes I have. Never done an action match in one tho.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 09:31 PM (bgJ0E)

356 You want to use a high caliber round that will penetrate your walls and the walls of your neighbors next door? We ain't cops or military, we are just responsible for defending our house from the bad guys trying to get in.
Remember, you are responsible for every single bullet that leaves your gun. Pop off a 5.56 or a 7.62 round in your house and it is going to two or three houses down the street if you miss.
Posted by: Mister


which is why yo do not want a pistol calibre carbine.

in a home defense scenario, you retreat to a room, barricade yourself in, aim at the door.

no sane guy is going room to room clearing by himself, that is suicide and dangerous to your family.

what is more, there are lot of suburbs where the range of a pistol calibre carbine are not sufficient for self defense. how much range do you think you are going to get from a pistol calibre round?

Posted by: confederatefifth at August 07, 2022 09:32 PM (pMc5z)

357 NZFrank, I would be happy to buy ammo for you in advance, to help ensure you have what you want. If interested, send an email to Ben Had asking for my email, or send your want list to Ben to forward to me. I am in Houston.

Posted by: Gref at August 07, 2022 09:32 PM (AMIL/)

358 I and all of the wonderful people that make the TXMoMe possible look forward to seeing so many of you in Oct.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 07, 2022 09:32 PM (zHRci)

359 Pistol Carbines are useful and in some restrictive jurisdictions, they may be the only available option. Few other thoughts to Ed L's comprehensive list.

A) Given the longer sight radius and greater stability to pistols, people generally shoot long arms better with less training than they do pistols. Blast and flinching are generally much less with long arms than pistols.
B) Commonality of ammunition and sometimes even magazines of pistols and carbines sets allow stockpiling only one cartridge rather than a separate stash of rifle and pistol ammo.
C) The choice of optics and ease of operation are generally superior for long arms versus pistols.

Posted by: whig at August 07, 2022 09:33 PM (CXr4y)

360 Posted by: Ben Had at August 07, 2022 09:32 PM (zHRci)
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Absolutely!

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 09:34 PM (0IeYL)

361 My 6.5 Grendel AR build

Posted by: Arch Stanton at August 07, 2022 09:14 PM (pkUXE)

Oooooh! I've had that in my sights since I got my .50 Beowulf upper (no, I *still* haven't put it together). Folks are saying 6.5 Creedmoor would be a better choice in that size - what's your take? What niche do you see it filling?

Posted by: GWB at August 07, 2022 09:34 PM (o61E1)

362 Yes I have. Never done an action match in one tho.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 09:31 PM (bgJ0E)
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You don't have to go shopping in your range rig.

New Zealand seems to have lots of strange rules.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 09:34 PM (llXky)

363 Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at August 07, 2022 09:21 PM (sWbrH)

I think he's correct that the SMG's day is mostly past, except for niche missions (such as suppressed use). But he seemed to say that PCC has no value for any civilian/non-military use today. Based on my own experience w/ PCC, I have to disagree w/ that. Introducing new shooters to firearms is something the PCC is still useful for, and it has nothing to do w/ combat operations.

Posted by: Ed L at August 07, 2022 09:34 PM (/lmRp)

364 Have you a kilt? Those go over well in certain areas.

Saw a dude standing next to a Harley wearing a kilt today. I guess he really likes the wind in his hair.

Posted by: Oddbob at August 07, 2022 09:34 PM (nfrXX)

365 C) The choice of optics and ease of operation are generally superior for long arms versus pistols.

Posted by: whig at August 07, 2022 09:33 PM (CXr4y)
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D) Paul Harrell has one.

QED.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 09:35 PM (llXky)

366 Home defense. Mossberg 590 T shotgun, FNX45T, S&W Governor, AK. Nary a PCC. Home defense.

Posted by: Eromero at August 07, 2022 09:35 PM (0OP+5)

367 Pistol Carbines are useful and in some restrictive jurisdictions, they may be the only available option. Few other thoughts to Ed L's comprehensive list.

Posted by: whig at August 07, 2022 09:33 PM (CXr4y)

The PC Carbine comments will never die!

Posted by: Pauly Bro'shore at August 07, 2022 09:36 PM (f5YF0)

368 Saw a dude standing next to a Harley wearing a kilt today. I guess he really likes the wind in his hair.

Posted by: Oddbob at August 07, 2022 09:34 PM (nfrXX)
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"Is anything worn under a kilt?"

"No. It all works perfectly, thank you."

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 09:36 PM (llXky)

369 Mine too is fussy with Wilson Combat mags. The Wilson mags often fail to feed JHP while the stock Kimber mags work fine with that ammo. FMJs are fine in either one.

Posted by: pikkumatti at August 07, 2022 07:17 PM (LNiNn)

Interesting!

As you say, I'll bet it will be fine once I break it in, but for it to be a carry pistol it needs to show me perfection for several hundred rounds!

Otherwise I am going to kick it to the curb and take my Walther .45 ACP out on the town!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 07, 2022 09:37 PM (XIJ/X)

370 "No. It all works perfectly, thank you."
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 09:36 PM (llXky)
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Ha!

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 09:37 PM (0IeYL)

371 357 NZFrank, I would be happy to buy ammo for you in advance, to help ensure you have what you want. If interested, send an email to Ben Had asking for my email, or send your want list to Ben to forward to me. I am in Houston.
Posted by: Gref at August 07, 2022 09:32 PM (AMIL/)

Gref, apricate that, thank you for offering. I think I will be able to suss it out as I have a couple of days in Dallas prior and a truck and my mates ranch in Lancaster is ahemm, loaded as they say. I was just checking about ammo as I do not have a TX drivers licence which I know you need to buy pew pews from a store. Thanks again.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 09:37 PM (bgJ0E)

372 QED.
Posted by: Forme


not sure that means what you think it means

Posted by: confederatefifth at August 07, 2022 09:39 PM (pMc5z)

373 369 Mine too is fussy with Wilson Combat mags. The Wilson mags often fail to feed JHP while the stock Kimber mags work fine with that ammo. FMJs are fine in either one.

Posted by: pikkumatti at August 07, 2022 07:17 PM (LNiNn)

Interesting!

As you say, I'll bet it will be fine once I break it in, but for it to be a carry pistol it needs to show me perfection for several hundred rounds!

Otherwise I am going to kick it to the curb and take my Walther .45 ACP out on the town!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 07, 2022 09:37 PM (XIJ/X
Load the mags to capacity and leave them for a month.

Posted by: Eromero at August 07, 2022 09:39 PM (0OP+5)

374 I too would be happy to be purchasing the ammo for you in advance, NZFrank. Perhaps you would be giving me your CC information to facilitate this?

Posted by: Nigerian former Minister of Defence at August 07, 2022 09:39 PM (yikp0)

375 Oooooh! I've had that in my sights since I got my .50 Beowulf upper (no, I *still* haven't put it together). Folks are saying 6.5 Creedmoor would be a better choice in that size - what's your take? What niche do you see it filling?

Posted by: GWB
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GWB, you have to go to an AR-10/LR-308 size receiver for the 6.5 Creedmoor.

Posted by: whig at August 07, 2022 09:39 PM (CXr4y)

376 a pistol calibre round?

Posted by: confederatefifth at August 07, 2022 09:32 PM (pMc5z)

Calibre?

Are you gay? Or English (but I repeat myself)?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 07, 2022 09:39 PM (XIJ/X)

377 NZFrank, look forward to meeting you in October. This one will be lit.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 07, 2022 09:39 PM (Y+l9t)

378 4 Have you a kilt? Those go over well in certain areas.

Saw a dude standing next to a Harley wearing a kilt today. I guess he really likes the wind in his hair.
Posted by: Oddbob at August 07, 2022 09:34 PM (nfrXX)

Never ridden one of my Pigs in a kilt either.
*Picks up notebook again*

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 09:40 PM (bgJ0E)

379 Posted by: Nigerian former Minister of Defence at August 07, 2022 09:39 PM (yikp0)
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False Nigerian! False Nigerian! No mention of "all modalities" !!!!

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 09:41 PM (0IeYL)

380 374 I too would be happy to be purchasing the ammo for you in advance, NZFrank. Perhaps you would be giving me your CC information to facilitate this?
Posted by: Nigerian former Minister of Defence at August 07, 2022 09:39 PM (yikp0)

Did not know Canuks get so tanned. So you were saying? Account number? Sure.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 09:42 PM (bgJ0E)

381 Wow, getting late.

Thanks again, Weasel. I think the 10mm question is worth exploring, but my eyes are dimming and I need to crash.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 09:43 PM (llXky)

382 Night, Weasel, night all and sundry. Doctor tomorrow early, at least she's pretty.

Posted by: Eromero at August 07, 2022 09:43 PM (0OP+5)

383 Just got here - everyone knew that Roy Clark could play, but wow could Glen play as well. Delightful.

Posted by: Boswell at August 07, 2022 09:43 PM (+Cgut)

384 GWB, you have to go to an AR-10/LR-308 size receiver for the 6.5 Creedmoor.
Posted by: whig at August 07, 2022 09:39 PM (CXr4y)

Yes. If you want to stick with AR-15 receivers, I cn see it. I had just done some reading and thought I might stoke some opinionating on those calibers.

(It's late and ill have to wait for next week to stir things up. )

Posted by: GWB at August 07, 2022 09:43 PM (o61E1)

385
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 09:43 PM (llXky)
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Nite AHL!

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 09:43 PM (0IeYL)

386
A) Given the longer sight radius and greater stability to pistols, people generally shoot long arms better with less training than they do pistols. Blast and flinching are generally much less with long arms than pistols.
B) Commonality of ammunition and sometimes even magazines of pistols and carbines sets allow stockpiling only one cartridge rather than a separate stash of rifle and pistol ammo.
C) The choice of optics and ease of operation are generally superior for long arms versus pistols.
Posted by: w


I have not said that they do not have any utility, what I have said, and am saying, is that they are a niche tool that are not very useful for the average guy in an average situation.

if you could have one gun would you choose are ar in 5.56 or some 9mm pistol calibre carbine?

a 12 inch ar and a pistol calibre carbine are about the same size, have the same mag depth, but the ar has more range and power.

Posted by: confederatefifth at August 07, 2022 09:43 PM (pMc5z)

387 When asked if I'm wearing anything under my kilt, I just smile.and say that on a good day, lipstick.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 07, 2022 09:43 PM (anj39)

388 Probably too late. But to clear my conscious. No way would I shoot those tarnished rounds. First, you have the risk reward equation. All risk, no reward. Second, the bullets are not sealed, nor is the primer. That means there is most likely corrosion from the inside too. So you know you have a thinner case wall from cleaning the outside. Now you know you have pin holes from the inside.

There are insurance policies that pay pretty good for the loss of an eye or hand.

Posted by: Big AL at August 07, 2022 09:44 PM (vnvi2)

389 Night, Horde. Some o' the bestest folks on the planet.

Posted by: GWB at August 07, 2022 09:44 PM (o61E1)

390 368
"Is anything worn under a kilt?"

"No. It all works perfectly, thank you."

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 09:36 PM (llXky)
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But don't get too drunk else you may find someone has tied a blue ribbon around the lad, and you'll never know why.

Posted by: Buttgig - old Scottish joke - it's cheap as it doesn't cost anything at August 07, 2022 09:44 PM (qfLjt)

391 This has been a great week.
Thanks Weasel. Great fun as always.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 07, 2022 09:45 PM (Y+l9t)

392 377 NZFrank, look forward to meeting you in October. This one will be lit.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 07, 2022 09:39 PM (Y+l9t)
Back at ya.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 09:45 PM (bgJ0E)

393 Posted by: Eromero at August 07, 2022 09:43 PM (0OP+5)
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Goodnight, amigo. Big day here tomorrow for WD and FSJ - roofers will be here banging on new shingles.

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 09:46 PM (0IeYL)

394 Calibre?

Are you gay? Or English (but I repeat myself)?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo


it is a spelling grey area
fwiw, wouldn't "calibre" mean I am french?
I think it was spelled calibre before it was spelled caliber.

Posted by: confederatefifth at August 07, 2022 09:46 PM (pMc5z)

395 Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 07, 2022 09:45 PM (Y+l9t)
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Glad to hear it Sharon!

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 09:46 PM (0IeYL)

396 But don't get too drunk else you may find someone has tied a blue ribbon around the lad, and you'll never know why.

Posted by: Buttgig - old Scottish joke - it's cheap as it doesn't cost anything at August 07, 2022 09:44 PM (qfLjt)
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"Laddie, I don't know where you been, but you've won first prize!"

Posted by: Just the punchline at August 07, 2022 09:46 PM (llXky)

397 393 Posted by: Eromero at August 07, 2022 09:43 PM (0OP+5)
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Goodnight, amigo. Big day here tomorrow for WD and FSJ - roofers will be here banging on new shingles.
Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 09:46 PM (0IeYL)
NO flipflops on your inspection walkabouts!

Posted by: Eromero at August 07, 2022 09:47 PM (0OP+5)

398 it is a spelling grey area
fwiw, wouldn't "calibre" mean I am french?
I think it was spelled calibre before it was spelled caliber.

Posted by: confederatefifth at August 07, 2022 09:46 PM (pMc5z)


Grey. Or gray?

Posted by: Diogenes at August 07, 2022 09:48 PM (anj39)

399 Did not know Canuks get so tanned.
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Hey, we have summer too! All three months of it!

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 07, 2022 09:48 PM (yikp0)

400 Back at ya.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 09:45 PM (bgJ0E)
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Hopefully Hogmartin will be there since I can't. He's a ex-Michigander with whom I correspond from time to time. Call it a meeting by proxy.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 09:49 PM (llXky)

401 Grey. Or gray?
Posted by: Diogenes


indeed

Posted by: confederatefifth at August 07, 2022 09:49 PM (pMc5z)

402 387 When asked if I'm wearing anything under my kilt, I just smile.and say that on a good day, lipstick.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 07, 2022 09:43 PM (anj39)
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stolen! You don't mind do you?

Posted by: Ciampino likes this one at August 07, 2022 09:49 PM (qfLjt)

403 ...and I'm out.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 09:50 PM (llXky)

404 Dear Weasel, thank you for another great thread, you are always so kind to publish my ramblings!

Big hugs to all the Horde!

Posted by: screaming in digital at August 07, 2022 09:50 PM (pkAcY)

405 C5, The best firearm is one that you have at the time of peril and are prepared to use.

The rest of it is software aka training and knowledge.

So, picking a rifle and then designing a plan around is bass ackwards. You start with a personal security plan and then determine what hardware you need and the context of your surroundings, your capabilities, training, etc all become grist for the mill.

The reason why the military does stupid things with small arms is because they consider artillery, missiles, bombs, tanks, etc. as the important weapons and even a full auto SAW to those planners is a pea shooter that is useful in some contexts.

Posted by: whig at August 07, 2022 09:50 PM (CXr4y)

406 Posted by: screaming in digital at August 07, 2022 09:50 PM (pkAcY)
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Not kind, just love the great content!!! Thank you!!

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 09:51 PM (0IeYL)

407 When asked if I'm wearing anything under my kilt, I just smile.and say that on a good day, lipstick.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 07, 2022 09:43 PM (anj39)
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stolen! You don't mind do you?
Posted by: Ciampino likes this one at August 07, 2022 09:49 PM (qfLjt)


Just be sure to follow up with "On a Great day, multiple shades!"

Posted by: Diogenes at August 07, 2022 09:51 PM (anj39)

408 Folks are saying 6.5 Creedmoor would be a better choice in that size - what's your take? What niche do you see it filling?

Posted by: GWB at August 07, 2022 09:34 PM (o61E1)

6.5 Creedmoor is a larger case so you have to step up to the AR-10/308 platform if you want to go that route. I went the 6.5 Grendel route because I have other 6.5mm guns, but there is also a 6mm ARC out now that uses 6mm/243 bullets natch. Both are intended for longer-range shooting out of the AR-15 platform.

Posted by: Arch Stanton at August 07, 2022 09:51 PM (pkUXE)

409 An alternative to a 9MM carbine or pistol is a 300BLK carbine or pistol shooting sub-sonic 220gr (suppressed or not suppressed). Same terminal ballistics as 9MM/.45ACP ish. The 300 BLK round fits in .556 mags. 300 BLK also uses faster burning pistol gun powder and is designed for a 7.5" barrel. You can shoot it supersonic with a 110-150 grain projectile and achieve 30 cal ish terminal ballistics.

Posted by: Muthaucker at August 07, 2022 09:52 PM (EfMCF)

410 Thanks again Mr Weasel, out to lunch. FYI flights booked and paid for.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 09:54 PM (bgJ0E)

411 ONT is up everyone. Have a good week and hope to see you next Sunday!

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 09:54 PM (0IeYL)

412 Good Ghu, what a Wall o' Words! ThanX!, but I'll be reading more later this week. All, y'al,l take care and be safe and sane. ThanX! Weasel, for all the work you do.

McGyver, Off to bed

Posted by: McGyver at August 07, 2022 09:54 PM (YbEGd)

413 Hopefully Hogmartin will be there since I can't.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at August 07, 2022 09:49 PM (llXky)

If he is there and I am able to go, I will be stealing his night vision gear.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 07, 2022 09:55 PM (XIJ/X)

414
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at August 07, 2022 09:54 PM (bgJ0E)
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Cant wait, brother!

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 09:55 PM (0IeYL)

415 398 it is a spelling grey area
fwiw, wouldn't "calibre" mean I am french?
I think it was spelled calibre before it was spelled caliber.

Posted by: confederatefifth at August 07, 2022 09:46 PM (pMc5z)


Grey. Or gray?

Posted by: Diogenes at August 07, 2022 09:48 PM (anj39)
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American English is not consistent. Example timbre. Why don't we use timber?
In the Queen's English Gray is a family name and Grey is a colour.

Posted by: Ciampino - accept that different nations may spell things differently at August 07, 2022 09:55 PM (qfLjt)

416 Posted by: McGyver at August 07, 2022 09:54 PM (YbEGd)
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Adios, amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at August 07, 2022 09:56 PM (0IeYL)

417 Both are intended for longer-range shooting out of the AR-15 platform.

Posted by: Arch Stanton at August 07, 2022 09:51 PM (pkUXE)

How about .223 with the heavy bullets? 77 grain...even 80 grain?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 07, 2022 09:56 PM (XIJ/X)

418 C5, The best firearm is one that you have at the time of peril and are prepared to use.

The rest of it is software aka training and knowledge.

So, picking a rifle and then designing a plan around is bass ackwards. You start with a personal security plan and then determine what hardware you need and the context of your surroundings, your capabilities, training, etc all become grist for the mill.
The reason why the military does stupid things with small arms is because they consider artillery, missiles, bombs, tanks, etc. as the important weapons and even a full auto SAW to those planners is a pea shooter that is useful in some contexts.
Posted by: whig

I agree with this completely, which is why the pistol calibre carbine is nonsense. outside of a very few instances it is not very useful where the average guy is concerned. devoting time and energy to training with a pistol calibre carbine instead of a short ar in 5.56 is inefficient.

if beware the man with one gun is true, then nearly everybody in the United States is better off with the advantages of an ar over a pistol kalibr carbine. why divide your training unnecessarily with a rarely useful gun?

Posted by: confederatefifth at August 07, 2022 09:58 PM (v6vFo)

419 Did anybody mention that the ONT is up?

Posted by: Oddbob at August 07, 2022 09:59 PM (nfrXX)

420 How about .223 with the heavy bullets? 77 grain...even 80 grain?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 07, 2022 09:56 PM (XIJ/X)

IIRC, 77gr is the max that can be used in 223/5.56 and still stay under the 2.26" max length for an AR mag. There is also a 224 Valkyrie out now but I don't know enough about it to say whether you can use heavier .224" bullets with it.

Posted by: Arch Stanton at August 07, 2022 10:01 PM (pkUXE)

421 I'm late to the show, but wanted to announce that I'm bi.

Umm, I mean, on that life's defining moments cartoon... Glocks in 9mm and 1911s in .45.

I also have a 629 snubbie, a Lew Horton special that has non-fluted cylinder and everything else beefed up. Heavy but great backpacking gun with bear loads.

But for recoil, I have a Blackhawk Bisley in .454. Shooting it is something else - fun, but it's kind of like heavy deadlifts... you don't do a lot of them. (I do heavy deadlifts because I have some Buffalo Bore loads and am trying to get strong enough to hang on to the gun when I touch one off.)

Posted by: Durak Kazyol at August 07, 2022 10:04 PM (Ou0EQ)

422 I have been pricing cases of slugs as well. Even if plates "stop" the slug, I'm pretty sure that person is out of the game for the day, so to speak. They'll sit down for a bit.
Posted by: Good for the Gander at August 07, 2022 07:23 PM (LGaLJ)

Yup. A slug can cause organ damage even without bullet penetration. There are some eye opening tests on YouTube where body armor is placed over gen or clay targets. Slugs create massive impact cavities in soft tissue and can still break bones through armor.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at August 07, 2022 07:27 PM (xcxpd)

A fair number of years ago (me being 29) a prisoner escaped in a western state. He was in possession of a rifle and wearing body armor when the sheriff and his deputies cornered him in the mountains. The body armor was stopping the rounds fired by the deputies. The sheriff flanked the bad guy and shot him multiple times in the thorax with 12 gauge slugs. The bad guy went down and died in the hospital from multiple traumas caused by the slug hits. The sheriff knew what he was doing.

Posted by: waepnedmann at August 07, 2022 10:13 PM (QJ+Mz)

423 Range time this week includes the Sig Sauer 1911 in 38 Super and the Interarms Virginia Dragoon in 44 Magnum.

Posted by: PoliticalFleaBites at August 07, 2022 10:19 PM (IgP0F)

424 *hands CBD the AR with the night vision scope*

Posted by: Ben Had at August 07, 2022 10:31 PM (zHRci)

425 Have we done a dive into tripods any time here? I think there is a good argument that a decent tripod is more useful in more practical positions than a bipod. I have some nice bipods; never use them much anymore. Tripod gets me up over grass and sets up fast, from prone all the way to standing.

Downside.. a solid practical setup like an 0311 tripod with pig saddle will run you like $300-400 or such. My ...er, "very large" platform rides in a Hog saddle on carbon tripod thats about $950, while my normal caliber precision setups have tripods from RRS that are nosebleed inducing.

More money gets you stuff like Arca clamps and larger diameter carbon fiber tubes that jiggle less and are about 80% the weight of cheaper ones.

Posted by: somedood at August 08, 2022 01:46 AM (zNcSj)

426 Late reply to Ed L at No. 130 7:50 PM above. I picked up at the FFL my CMP Service Grade Colt 1911 A1 last Tuesday. Frame and Slide are both from Colt, and S/N is 11304XX. Apparently frame is late 1943 build. Finish appears to be like new Parkerizing. It was probably arsenal rebuilt and put into preservation storage. I haven't taken it to the range yet and won't soon. Yesterday was a very bad and expensive day.

"Hello, Weasel and horde!
For the late-late commenter last week who asked about CMP M1911s: What you're getting is a GI M1911/M1911A1 as it was in the 1990s. Most have only an original frame, with a mish mash of parts (OEM and replacement parts) from a wide variety of manufacturers. Most will have gone through an arsenal or depot rebuild three times or more (especially if you have an M1911 frame). The primary asset of the CMP pistols is their provenance. As CMP guns, they are the last M1911s still in US Army/DOD hands save the current M45A1s with the USMC. That means you're getting a pistol that has stayed in military hands for 75+ years or more before you got it ......"

Posted by: Bond in Michigan at August 08, 2022 04:04 PM (hEwF5)

427 My mom hunted with a 30-06

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at August 08, 2022 07:04 PM (wGqjj)

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John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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