Saturday Evening Movie Thread - 8/13/2022 [TheJamesMadison]

Wes Craven


This is the first time I've gone through the body of work of a filmmaker and simply regretted the decision. After having done several foreign filmmakers in a row (Kurosawa, Tati, Melville, and Kobayashi), I decided to search out a more modern, American filmmaker with name recognition, and I quickly settled on Wes Craven. I'd known Craven's name for a long time, his work on such big-name horror movies like A Nightmare on Elm Street and Scream was simply far too big to ignore or miss.

He certainly has some good films to his name. The aforementioned pair of horror films are joined by The Serpent and the Rainbow, New Nightmare, and Red Eye as his collection of solidly good films. I genuinely enjoy these five. However, he made twenty-four films (included a handful of television movies), and the rest are a mixture of mediocre and outright bad films. The clear majority of his work is just simply not good at all.

As I was getting towards the end of his body of work, the one thing that popped up most prominently was the idea of authorship. Most of his best films he did not write, and most of his worst films were projects where he has the sole writing credit. That really colored my view of him as a storyteller. Of his five films I like best, three (Scream, The Serpent and the Rainbow, and Red Eye) were written by others while the other two (the pair of Nightmare on Elm Street films he directed) were his. Of the six I liked least, he wrote five of them (The Hills Have Eyes Part 2, Shocker, My Soul to Take, Swamp Thing, and Night Visions) while only one (Summer of Fear) was written by someone else.

Craven himself was most fully responsible for the vast majority of his worst films, and his best films were mostly written by other people. Not every great director needs to be a writer as well (Scorsese has writing credits on only five of his films while Spielberg has it on only two of his), but the preponderance of Craven's name on the screenplays of so many of his bad films and on so relatively few of his good ones told me something. It told me that he was simply not very good at telling stories in a cinematic medium.

Growing Up


Craven grew up in Ohio in a Baptist family that did not allow him to see movies. He saw his first movie when he went to Wheaton College as a psychology student. He eventually found his way into the film industry through one of the nastiest little slivers of the industry on the unclear border between exploitation and pornography in New England. His first directorial effort was the exploitation film The Last House on the Left, a project that only got off the ground because his producer friend Sean Cunningham got offered $90,000 to make a horror film.

The one other director I kept thinking of while going through Craven's work, especially his early work, was John Carpenter. They both came to prominence around the same time in the same genre, but the major difference was that Carpenter had a formal education in film while Craven never even had an informal one by growing up with movies. Carpenter's influences were old-Hollywood, especially Howard Hawks, while Craven tried to amalgamate his education in the classics (he was a humanities professor for a brief time before he went into film) with his education in the underground of cinema and a smattering of foreign films that seemed to have taught him no great lessons. The one thing he really learned was to shock.

And his early work is where this uncomfortable marriage of classical education and poor cinema training is the most evident. The Last House on the Left is an Americanized version of The Virgin Spring (a Swedish folktale that Ingmar Bergman turned into a film in the 50s). There's a real effort to find shock here, and the European influence is strong. The film doesn't work (characterization is thin, there's a lot of misplaced and poorly executed comedy, and there's a surprising focus on creating a Home Alone-type situation at the end that doesn't pay off very well), but there's obviously something going on. I was actually quite hopeful.

Horror


I think the one thing to remember most clearly about Wes Craven is something seemingly antithetical to his body of work: he never wanted to make horror films. He took the opportunity to direct The Last House on the Left because it was his first offer to direct a film, and he was going to start his career. He couldn't make another film for five years because he didn't want to make another horror film, and when he moved to Los Angeles, all he got was offers for new horror films. Borderline starving, he and Cunningham eventually came up with The Hills Have Eyes to feed themselves.

What followed was four horror films (Summer of Fear, Deadly Blessing, Swamp Thing, and Invitation to Hell, half of which were made for television), none of which are particularly good, are mostly boring, but do have some moments here and there. They feel like a young filmmaker simply lost. And then he read a pair of articles in the LA newspapers about young people being terrified of going to sleep, eventually falling asleep, and then dying while they slept for no discernable reason. This gave him the germ of an idea for A Nightmare on Elm Street.

I said it a lot while I was going through his work, but Wes Craven desperately needed a writing partner, and ground zero of that argument in my mind is A Nightmare on Elm Street. It is his best film. It taps into something primal about how we are completely vulnerable while we sleep. However, it's really poorly structured with its best kill happening at the twenty-minute mark and there being virtually no sense of escalation. He would eventually write an early draft of the third film, a draft that would get massaged by Frank Darabont, and I imagine Darabont working on the first film's script right before filming. The structure would suddenly be there and more of the film's potential would get mined.

I don't want to undersell how much I enjoy the film. It's really quite good, and the visuals are unparalleled in the entire franchise. However, it really needed a rewrite from someone who understood cinematic storytelling better than Craven.

Trapped


It should not be forgotten that Craven did not want to make horror films, even after his first film typecast him as a horror filmmaker and A Nightmare on Elm Street cemented him there. A couple of years later, he went on to adapt a novel about a teenaged boy who turns his dead potential girlfriend into a robot titled Deadly Friend. There was a test screening that went badly because the audience was filled with Craven fans. The film was a gentle comedy about young people. It wasn't the scare-fest that Craven fans wanted, so the studio demanded reshoots to include dreams and bloody violence.

His second-best film, The Serpent and the Rainbow, was an effort to move into more respectable territory, working from a script by Richard Maxwell adapted from a non-fiction work by Wade Davis. It combined the dreamlike nature of A Nightmare on Elm Street with something real into something almost Dario Argento-like. It's the last time Craven felt like he was advancing as an artist in his career, and he made movies for almost twenty more years.

The centerpiece of my overall argument that Craven was a bad filmmaker and storyteller is Shocker. This film, made the year after The Serpent and the Rainbow, was conceived in no small part because of the success of A Nightmare on Elm Street. The earlier film had become a franchise, earning New Line a lot of money, and Craven had little to do with it, especially financially. So, he set out to create a new horror franchise that he owned completely. Are you familiar with all the Shocker sequels? No? That's a surprise considering that there are...exactly none. It never even inspired straight to video sequels like Darkman did and several others.

Shocker is essentially a remake of A Nightmare on Elm Street, and it feels like it was written by someone who had no idea what made A Nightmare on Elm Street special. Craven wrote them both, by the way. The main antagonist, played by Mitch Pileggi, snarls and has no wit. The storytelling is confused, at best, with unnecessary use of dreams to advance the plot. The rules of the horror make absolutely no sense whatsoever with constantly changing powers, including electricity possessing people? It is a disaster of a film.

Chasing Success


Shocker was the moment it became obvious that Craven was simply chasing financial success. He tried to start more than one television show (including the backdoor television pilot in the form of a television movie Night Visions), directed the seventh Nightmare on Elm Street film, and even made an Eddie Murphy horror comedy (Vampire in Brooklyn).

It was 1995, and he was thinking of putting horror behind him completely. Remember, he never wanted to be a horror filmmaker. There was a script floating around Hollywood getting some attention with the early title Scary Movie. Craven was wondering if he should take it or not when, at a horror convention, a young fan told him he hoped Craven would make another horror film again. Craven decided then and there to take this script, now called Scream, as his next project, and the rest is history.

The problem I have with it isn't about the film itself (I like the first Scream quite a bit, actually), it's that it doesn't feel like a Wes Craven film. It feels like a Kevin Williamson film. Williamson was the writer, and, having seen everything he wrote for Craven and knowing a bit about his other work (mostly television), it's obvious that Craven essentially just didn't screw up Williamson's script. He filmed it workmanlike fashion, like a television director following orders from an executive producer and showrunner. Craven made seven more films in his career, and aside from Music of the Heart (a Meryl Streep nominated Oscar bait bit of nothing) and the perfectly competent thriller Red Eye, literally everything else is an effort to recreate Scream.

The three Scream sequels he made are obvious, but both Cursed (also scripted by Williamson) and My Soul to Take (which Craven scripted himself) feel like desperate efforts to recapture the singular magic of the slasher whodunit that started the whole craze of the late 90s.

Craven spent so much time trying to recreate past successes that he eliminated his own artistic voice. The interesting, if unsuccessful, artist who had found the way to shock audiences in The Last House on the Left had become a glorified television director.

Master of Horror?


Hardly.

A Nightmare on Elm Street tapped into something genuine, but Scream was mostly a Kevin Williamson film.

The rest of his horror output is a mixture of terrible television work (Night Visions feels like a parody of a cop drama), terribly derivative of his own work (Shocker), or heavily compromised (Deadly Friend and Vampire in Brooklyn in particular). His efforts to move firmly outside of horror were largely unremarkable, especially his Oscar bait Music of the Heart.

The simple fact of the matter is that Craven vastly overestimate his ability to tell stories through film. He desperately needed a writing partner. Billy Wilder used I.A.L. Diamond and Charles Brackett. Akira Kurosawa used Hideo Oguni. Craven could have really used someone like Frank Darabont who wrote the final draft of the third Nightmare on Elm Street film, someone who understood storytelling and could convert Craven's horror ideas into more cohesive narratives.

Instead, he thought he could do it himself, and it makes me feel bad about it all. I've watched a few interviews with the man, and he seemed like a wonderful guy. Soft-spoken, warm, and intelligent, Wes Craven seemed like a very nice person. I just wish he had understood the mechanics of cinematic storytelling better.

Movies of Today

Opening in Theaters:

Fall

Emily The Criminal

Movies I Saw This Fortnight:

Prey (Rating 2.5/4) Full Review "This is one of those movies that I want to like more than I actually do." [HULU]

Red Eye (Rating 3/4) Full Review "This is a short, simple film without a whole lot to say. It's a solidly entertaining thriller, and it could have been a window to Wes Craven finding a new direction for the final stage of his career. That's not where he went, though." [HBO Max]

Scream 4 (Rating 1/4) Full Review "It's really just Williamson's script, warts and all, brought to the screen. Craven was a mediocre filmmaker who got lucky a couple of times, pigeonholed into a genre that he wanted to exploit when he was in it but didn't have the skill to actually mine on his own." [Library]

Scream (2022) (Rating 2/4) Full Review "It breaks no ground and follows the formula pretty closely, but it mostly entertains as it goes. It's alright." [Library]

Mauvaise Graine (Rating 2.5/4) Full Review "he light tone through most of the film carries it a lot, and the ending holds a surprisingly firm grasp of competing emotions. Wilder still had a lot to learn, but he wasn't starting from nothing when he directed his first film. He'd definitely learned something writing at Ufa." [Online...somewhere]

Destiny (Rating 4/4) Full Review "This is still firmly a melodrama, but the tackling of the complex storytelling structure along with the strong emphasis on well-executed fantastical visuals, elevates it above the earlier melodramas or adventures like Four around the Woman or The Spiders films. " [Personal Collection]

Die Nibelungen: Kriemhild's Revenge (Rating 4/4) Full Review "Lang's silent career is dominated by Metropolis, a science fiction film of unquestionable influence, but I think it may be the second part of Die Nibelungen that is his greatest silent triumph. The physical production is impressive, and the emotional impact is strong. This is great. " [Personal Collection]

Metropolis (Rating 3.5/4) Full Review "It's a marvelous spectacle that appeals to the heart in the most open of ways. Buoyed by a set of very good performances, especially from Helm, it's a grand entertainment. " [Personal Collection]

Spies (Rating 2/4) Full Review "However, as a whole, it's just something I can't really get into. It's something of a mess of a film, and it feels like a real artistic stumble from such a promising director of sensationalist spectacle. " [Personal Collection]

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1 Wes Craven VS Chuck Norris. No contest.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 13, 2022 07:37 PM (u73oe)

2 Called the otters

Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 13, 2022 07:38 PM (u73oe)

3 Now to read the content as I actually like Wes Craven.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 13, 2022 07:38 PM (u73oe)

4 Home run though.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 13, 2022 07:38 PM (u73oe)

5 Whoops, got Craven mistaken for Carpenter. Happens.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 13, 2022 07:41 PM (u73oe)

6 Really, I called em.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 13, 2022 07:41 PM (u73oe)

7 5 Whoops, got Craven mistaken for Carpenter. Happens.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 13, 2022 07:41 PM (u73oe)

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John Carpenter is everything Wes Craven wished he could be.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 07:42 PM (LvTSG)

8 I liked Capenters Vampirs with James Woods. Campy but fun.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 13, 2022 07:42 PM (u73oe)

9 Hiya James Monroe !

Posted by: JT at August 13, 2022 07:42 PM (T4tVD)

10 9 Hiya James Monroe !
Posted by: JT at August 13, 2022 07:42 PM (T4tVD)

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It's always good to see my true friends, the ones who know my real name, show up.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 07:43 PM (LvTSG)

11 I can do horror as long as it's a good story. I don't like gore and I really don't like the jump scare.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 13, 2022 07:44 PM (u73oe)

12 11 I can do horror as long as it's a good story. I don't like gore and I really don't like the jump scare.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 13, 2022 07:44 PM (u73oe)

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Jump scares are about startling an audience, not actually scaring them. They're cheap and about as far removed from real horror as you can get.

I get a kick out of gore, though. It's never enough on its own, but seeing interesting deaths executed in interesting ways is something.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 07:46 PM (LvTSG)

13 Had ice cream instead of popcorn, is that ok?

Posted by: Skip at August 13, 2022 07:47 PM (k8B25)

14 A historian decided to write a biography of Confederate General Braxton Bragg but gave up after volume 1 because he disliked Bragg so much. It took something like 50 years for someone to pick the project up and write the final volume.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 13, 2022 07:47 PM (eoQWY)

15 Horror is my least favorite genre. It doesn't qualify as horror but I really liked The Others.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at August 13, 2022 07:48 PM (27hQX)

16 oops forgot the payoff - your line about regretting the decision to write a review of Craven reminded me of that, but at least you saw it through.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 13, 2022 07:48 PM (eoQWY)

17 One thing I've learned is that if you open the mirrored medicine cabinet and then close it, a monster is behind you.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 13, 2022 07:49 PM (u73oe)

18 15 Horror is my least favorite genre. It doesn't qualify as horror but I really liked The Others.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at August 13, 2022 07:48 PM (27hQX)

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Find me the line between horror and suspense. It's all a bit murky after a certain point.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 07:49 PM (LvTSG)

19 Evening.

I liked Scream. Scream 2 was also good but the ending was eeehhhh. Scream 3...well, it's a thing.

Posted by: Robert at August 13, 2022 07:50 PM (HVikg)

20 Carpenter sucks because he does not understand that what he wrote is not saying what he says it is 1/2 the time.

They live was his attempt at a hate note to Reagan optimism that watches today like donk superfan is the enemy.

Craven sucks because he writes crap which is funny given his education is in classical lit.

Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 07:50 PM (Lzpvj)

21 oh boy movies

sumptin I know nuttin about

cept

the 2 GOATs are

Caddyshack
Random Harvest

Posted by: REDACTED at August 13, 2022 07:50 PM (us2H3)

22 7 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 07:42 PM (LvTSG)

Barely coherent?

Yeah I can see that.

Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 07:50 PM (Lzpvj)

23 I get a kick out of gore, though. It's never enough on its own, but seeing interesting deaths executed in interesting ways is something.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Ever seen it in person?

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 13, 2022 07:52 PM (2Or5V)

24 22 Barely coherent?

Yeah I can see that.
Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 07:50 PM (Lzpvj)

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They Live was written in a state of almost pure anger by Carpenter, and, yeah, it's far from his best work. A lot of his fans love it, but they elevate it because of that 20 minute sequence in the middle with the glasses. Outside of that, the film is a mess.

However, Halloween, The Thing, and Starman (along with others) show Carpenter's ability to tell human stories firmly in genre and with strong craftsmanship.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 07:52 PM (LvTSG)

25 I get a kick out of gore, though. It's never enough on its own, but seeing interesting deaths executed in interesting ways is something.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 07:46 PM (LvTSG)

I really despise gore. Won't watch it. It annoys me when it shows up so much in movies that aren't even supposed to be horror movies.

Posted by: April--dash my lace wigs! at August 13, 2022 07:53 PM (OX9vb)

26 I always enjoy your film threads TJM, and tonight did not disappoint.

Posted by: SuperMayorSuperRonNirenberg-Useless Politician Extraordinaire at August 13, 2022 07:53 PM (ZNXoH)

27 Serpent and the Rainbow? Is that the one where Bill Pullman gets the nail through a testicle?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2022 07:53 PM (dNqv+)

28 Didn't Wes Craven do a porno between The Last House On The Left and The Hills Have Eyes?

At least that what Wikidingdong says.

Posted by: Robert at August 13, 2022 07:53 PM (HVikg)

29 23 Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 13, 2022 07:52 PM (2Or5V)

The genre loses something when you have seen the aftermath of stabbings up close.

Also where I work does better moulage than most horror films.

Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 07:54 PM (Lzpvj)

30 As far as slashers, never did much for me. As I have said before, I prefer the slow, atmospheric burners. Or the ones that tip over into cheesy comedy.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2022 07:54 PM (dNqv+)

31 "Wes Craven VS Chuck Norris. No contest.
Posted by: Duke Lowell"

One thing I've learned is never ask Chuck Norris "Is that all you got?".

Posted by: fd at August 13, 2022 07:55 PM (sn5EN)

32 The genre loses something when you have seen the aftermath of stabbings up close.

Also where I work does better moulage than most horror films.
Posted by: sven
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Or explosions.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 13, 2022 07:56 PM (2Or5V)

33 Hiya James Monroe !
Posted by: JT at August 13, 2022 07:42 PM (T4tVD)

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It's always good to see my true friends, the ones who know my real name, show up.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang

LOL !!!

Posted by: JT at August 13, 2022 07:56 PM (T4tVD)

34 24 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 07:52 PM (LvTSG)

Eh "I guess."

I'd argue Wes Craven is overrated as a wholly self-contained "creator", and the cult of carpenter pretends he is a better director than Hitchcock.

Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 07:56 PM (Lzpvj)

35 With all due respect, Wes Craven was a creep whose first film was a rape fantasy.

This guy is not hitchock, but a slasher director

Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 07:56 PM (WY8d2)

36 The original Nightmare on Elm Street was fantastic, ad was The Serpent and the Rainbow. "Don't bury me... I'm not dead." Classic films there.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 13, 2022 07:57 PM (VWp7G)

37 I was once in a student horror movie at Wright State University. I got kidnapped, murdered, and stuffed into a trash can.

I wonder if that guy (the film student) ever made it to the big time? Don't remember his name, so I'll never know.

Posted by: April--dash my lace wigs! at August 13, 2022 07:57 PM (OX9vb)

38 32 Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 13, 2022 07:56 PM (2Or5V)

Indeed, we have a section called "battlefield effects."

Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 07:57 PM (Lzpvj)

39 I don't like gory movies either. I prefer my monsters in green rubber suits.

Posted by: fd at August 13, 2022 07:57 PM (sn5EN)

40 28 Didn't Wes Craven do a porno between The Last House On The Left and The Hills Have Eyes?

At least that what Wikidingdong says.
Posted by: Robert at August 13, 2022 07:53 PM (HVikg)

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He probably directed one, at least. He edited several others. The production company that funding his first film made both exploitation and porn, and there are rumors that The Last House on the Left was originally pitched as a porno before it got pushed in the exploitation direction.

That was his formal film education, or the closest he got.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 07:57 PM (LvTSG)

41 Read content
Actually seen more of his movies than thought before reading the biography. Horror isn't a favorite yet see enough, more mindless entertainment maybe.

Posted by: Skip at August 13, 2022 07:58 PM (k8B25)

42 Hiya James Monroe !
Posted by: JT at August 13, 2022 07:42 PM (T4tVD)
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It's always good to see my true friends, the ones who know my real name, show up.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang
LOL !!!
Posted by: JT at August 13, 2022 07:56 PM (T4tVD)

Why don't I ever get any love?

Posted by: James Garfield at August 13, 2022 07:58 PM (HVikg)

43 I'd argue Wes Craven is overrated as a wholly self-contained "creator", and the cult of carpenter pretends he is a better director than Hitchcock.
Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 07:56 PM (Lzpvj)

Carpenter has been capable of brilliance, but I think most of what we see as the 'greats' have no idea what the hell they are doing. They know what they want to do, and that only occasionally intersects with what the audience see as enjoyable/great.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2022 07:58 PM (dNqv+)

44 37 Posted by: April--dash my lace wigs! at August 13, 2022 07:57 PM (OX9vb)

Wright State is our Alma Mater, hail Wright State hail Wright State U-first in flight was Dayton's Brothers great deeds old inspire the new....

I miss Millett Hall.

Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 07:59 PM (Lzpvj)

45 >>> I don't like gory movies either. I prefer my monsters in green rubber suits.
Posted by: fd


Can't get the monkeypox than way.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 13, 2022 07:59 PM (VWp7G)

46 34 I'd argue Wes Craven is overrated as a wholly self-contained "creator", and the cult of carpenter pretends he is a better director than Hitchcock.
Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 07:56 PM (Lzpvj)

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The people who hold up Carpenter as one of the greatest of filmmakers are two groups, I think.

The first are those who discovered the medium with Carpenter movies. He was formative to them, so something like The Thing isn't just a great horror movie, it's one of the great movies. There's a level of nostalgia to it. I suspect that some of my tastes were formed this way (not with Carpenter, but with other films).

The others are those who simply have shallow film educations. Those who think that anything made before 1977 is simply not worth discovering.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 08:00 PM (LvTSG)

47 McKenna's Gold, Gregory Peck throws away a handful of gold at the end, but the he has 2 saddlebags of gold nuggets. And the pretty girl.

Posted by: Eromero at August 13, 2022 08:01 PM (0OP+5)

48 Carpenter for example:
Great
The Thing
Big Trouble in Little China
Escape from New York

Wha?
Escape from LA
Ghosts of Mars

I sometimes just put it down to circumstance.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2022 08:01 PM (dNqv+)

49 I never give any type of respect to horror movies where the main viian is unkillable, Like Freddy, Jason, and Myers.

Original Friday the 13th, was scariest slasher I ever saw. The Killer, a deranged mother getting revenge for her drowned son, who does get killed, was almost real

Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:01 PM (WY8d2)

50 I'm almost gratified by this review of his career; Wes Craven is one of those directors that I never really liked, even though it seemed like every critic said "oh Wes Craven is so great." I never thought so. The only movie of his that I can say I truly enjoyed was Swamp Thing, and that's only because it's mostly tongue in cheek throughout and never takes itself seriously as a "horror movie".

Not to mention that he sure didn't come up with the character or storyline for that one.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 13, 2022 08:01 PM (r46W7)

51 >>>Carpenter for example:
Great
The Thing
Big Trouble in Little China
Escape from New York

Agreed.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 13, 2022 08:02 PM (VWp7G)

52 Evening, Horde...

Tonight's Movie Roulette selection is The Kingsman: The Golden Circle

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 13, 2022 08:02 PM (K5n5d)

53 and there are rumors that The Last House on the Left was originally pitched as a porno before it got pushed in the exploitation direction.

That was his formal film education, or the closest he got.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 07:57 PM (LvTSG)

I can believe it. Last House just had that sleazy feel to it. Mostly if just sucks.

So, with Craven out of the way, are we going to see a rundown of Rob Zombie's filmography?

Posted by: Robert at August 13, 2022 08:02 PM (HVikg)

54 50 I'm almost gratified by this review of his career; Wes Craven is one of those directors that I never really liked, even though it seemed like every critic said "oh Wes Craven is so great." I never thought so. The only movie of his that I can say I truly enjoyed was Swamp Thing, and that's only because it's mostly tongue in cheek throughout and never takes itself seriously as a "horror movie".

Not to mention that he sure didn't come up with the character or storyline for that one.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 13, 2022 08:01 PM (r46W7)

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He was never a critical darling for contemporaneous movies with a couple of exceptions. By the time Scream came about, Miramax simply hitched onto his long history with the genre and marketed it as the latest work of a master horror filmmaker. It was marketing.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 08:02 PM (LvTSG)

55 46 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 08:00 PM (LvTSG)

"The world was created the day before I was born."

//Way too many folks

Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 08:02 PM (Lzpvj)

56 50 I'm almost gratified by this review of his career; Wes Craven is one of those directors that I never really liked, even though it seemed like every critic said "oh Wes Craven is so great." I never thought so. The only movie of his that I can say I truly enjoyed was Swamp Thing, and that's only because it's mostly tongue in cheek throughout and never takes itself seriously as a "horror movie".

Not to mention that he sure didn't come up with the character or storyline for that one.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 13, 2022 08:01 PM (r46W7)

Not enough mention of Adrienne Barbeau.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2022 08:02 PM (dNqv+)

57 What I learn from watching movies this week, specifically Why Didn't They Ask Evans?

When estimating time, Brits don't use the one Mississippi method but rather the one dromedary, two dromedary method.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I Survived the Mar-A-Lago Raid at August 13, 2022 08:03 PM (FVME7)

58 53 I can believe it. Last House just had that sleazy feel to it. Mostly if just sucks.

So, with Craven out of the way, are we going to see a rundown of Rob Zombie's filmography?
Posted by: Robert at August 13, 2022 08:02 PM (HVikg)

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Heh.

He's still alive, so probably not. I'm a little halfway through watching Fritz Lang's work, so he's the next director.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 08:03 PM (LvTSG)

59 >>>Evening, Horde...

Tonight's Movie Roulette selection is The Kingsman: The Golden Circle
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel

Really liked the first one, haven't seen the sequel.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 13, 2022 08:03 PM (VWp7G)

60 Carpenter hurt himself when he agreed to the Halloween sequels, which were much more gory and stupid than the original. I saw the original in 1978 at a big movie house, everyone loved it until the stupid ending, where Micheal lives

Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:04 PM (WY8d2)

61 I like The People Under the Stairs. It's not great cinema but Everett McGill running around in a gimp suit with a shotgun is hilarious.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos (meh, it's a living) at August 13, 2022 08:04 PM (3DZIZ)

62 I miss Millett Hall.
Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 07:59 PM (Lzpvj)

Never thought I would, but I miss Hamilton Hall. Weirdest little dormitory in America.

Posted by: April--dash my lace wigs! at August 13, 2022 08:04 PM (OX9vb)

63 59 Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 13, 2022 08:03 PM (VWp7G)

Turn off your mind a bit and you'll enjoy it well enough.

Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 08:05 PM (Lzpvj)

64 Bang-bang! Bang-bang!

Posted by: Alec Baldwin at August 13, 2022 08:05 PM (WHt4f)

65 Romero should be next. Granted he was zombie boy, but the satire of 1978 Dawn of the dead was great

Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:05 PM (WY8d2)

66 59 >>>Evening, Horde...

Tonight's Movie Roulette selection is The Kingsman: The Golden Circle
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel

Really liked the first one, haven't seen the sequel.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 13, 2022 08:03 PM (VWp7G)

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It's pure anarchy, and I kind of love it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 08:05 PM (LvTSG)

67 Non-spoiler spoiler....

It has Elton John....

shortly after I started speaking on "the Elton John Method" of birthing....

much fun was had in theater.

Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 08:06 PM (Lzpvj)

68 60 Carpenter hurt himself when he agreed to the Halloween sequels, which were much more gory and stupid than the original. I saw the original in 1978 at a big movie house, everyone loved it until the stupid ending, where Micheal lives
Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:04 PM (WY8d2)

I first saw it in college (95ish or so.) I liked parts of it, and I am pretty sure it was not really a slasher, but more of a slow burn. Never seemed obsessed with body count or that shit.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2022 08:06 PM (dNqv+)

69 I'm not crazy about vampire movies either but"Horror Of Dracula" is on Svengoolie. Christopher Lee is Dracula.

Posted by: fd at August 13, 2022 08:06 PM (sn5EN)

70 65 Romero should be next. Granted he was zombie boy, but the satire of 1978 Dawn of the dead was great
Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:05 PM (WY8d2)

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I've definitely thought of it. Running through the list of his movies, his early career seems surprisingly varied, but only his zombie movies are remembered. It would be interesting.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 08:06 PM (LvTSG)

71 64 Posted by: Alec Baldwin at August 13, 2022 08:05 PM (WHt4f)

The check to Biden must have bounced Aric....

Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 08:06 PM (Lzpvj)

72 Nice thread, James

Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:07 PM (WY8d2)

73 Christopher Lee is Dracula.
Posted by: fd at August 13, 2022 08:06 PM (sn5EN)

As it should be.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2022 08:07 PM (dNqv+)

74 57 What I learn from watching movies this week, specifically Why Didn't They Ask Evans?

When estimating time, Brits don't use the one Mississippi method but rather the one dromedary, two dromedary method.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I Survived the Mar-A-Lago Raid at August 13, 2022 08:03 PM (FVME7)

LOL, I've seen that! I felt like 2 hours into it, I'm still wondering "what the hell does the title mean?"

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 13, 2022 08:07 PM (r46W7)

75 TJM, I enjoyed your reviews of Dr Mabuse and the 2 Niebelungen films very much.

Posted by: Darles Chickens at August 13, 2022 08:08 PM (yMbVh)

76 Really liked the first one, haven't seen the sequel.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 13, 2022 08:03 PM (VWp7G)
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One one level it's not quite as good. On another, they crank up the balls to the wall insanity up to 11.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 13, 2022 08:08 PM (K5n5d)

77 62 Posted by: April--dash my lace wigs! at August 13, 2022 08:04 PM (OX9vb)

Mom's ashes are buried on campus, I had not realized until last visit that the old Gay Communist F*ggot Performing Arts Building has been redone.....

I helped tutor Mark Woods and Marc Mumphery in US history.

Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 08:08 PM (Lzpvj)

78 Just loved the opening of Dawn of the Dead. end of the world coming, zombies attacking, but the local news station still cares about ratings only

Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:08 PM (WY8d2)

79 Christopher Lee is Dracula.
Posted by: fd at August 13, 2022 08:06 PM (sn5EN)

As it should be.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2022 08:07 PM (dNqv+)

*Glares most evilly*

Posted by: Bela Lugosi at August 13, 2022 08:08 PM (HVikg)

80 McKenna's Gold, Gregory Peck throws away a handful of gold at the end, but the he has 2 saddlebags of gold nuggets. And the pretty girl.
Posted by: Eromero

I saw that movie in the theater when I was a kid and sat through it twice even though it sucked just to see Catwoman swim naked.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I Survived the Mar-A-Lago Raid at August 13, 2022 08:09 PM (FVME7)

81 I am the guy,
who got the pie.
I don't know why,
I didn't die.
-Just like Gregory Peck, baby!

Posted by: Eromero at August 13, 2022 08:09 PM (0OP+5)

82 75 TJM, I enjoyed your reviews of Dr Mabuse and the 2 Niebelungen films very much.
Posted by: Darles Chickens at August 13, 2022 08:08 PM (yMbVh)

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Thank you.

I really would recommend the Nibelungen films, especially the second one. It's probably going to end up being Top 3 or so on the inevitable ranking.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 08:10 PM (LvTSG)

83 >>>Turn off your mind a bit and you'll enjoy it well enough.
Posted by: sven


My mind is always off, so....

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 13, 2022 08:11 PM (VWp7G)

84 83 My mind is always off, so....
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 13, 2022 08:11 PM (VWp7G)

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What does this say about the Philadelphia police department...?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 08:12 PM (LvTSG)

85 Peter Cushing is Van Helsing. Nice scenery so far.

Posted by: fd at August 13, 2022 08:12 PM (sn5EN)

86 83 Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 13, 2022 08:11 PM (VWp7G)

I still do not know how I feel about the prequel "The King's Man"....

anyway Marc Strong puts on his metaphorical dancing shoes.

Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 08:12 PM (Lzpvj)

87 I feel the same way about George Lucas. The guy just got lucky a couple of times with muppets.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 13, 2022 08:13 PM (WHt4f)

88 >>>Turn off your mind a bit and you'll enjoy it well enough.
Posted by: sven


My mind is always off, so....
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 13, 2022 08:11 PM (VWp7G)
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Huh!?
Whaaa???

Posted by: Diogenes at August 13, 2022 08:13 PM (anj39)

89 LOL, I've seen that! I felt like 2 hours into it, I'm still wondering "what the hell does the title mean?"
Posted by: Tom Servo

The bad guys were p!aying the old switcheroo and if they'd asked Evans, the jig would have been up.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I Survived the Mar-A-Lago Raid at August 13, 2022 08:13 PM (FVME7)

90 86 I still do not know how I feel about the prequel "The King's Man"....

anyway Marc Strong puts on his metaphorical dancing shoes.
Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 08:12 PM (Lzpvj)

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Matthew Vaughn: "I wish to make a WWI movie. Give me a hundred million dollars."
Executive: "No."
Matthew Vaughn: "What if I make it a Kingsman movie?"
Executive: "Gentlemen, you had my curiosity...but now you have my attention."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 08:14 PM (LvTSG)

91 I really despise gore. Won't watch it. It annoys me when it shows up so much in movies that aren't even supposed to be horror movies.
Posted by: April--dash my lace wigs!

Like when Chevy Chase shot The Invisible Swordsman ?

Posted by: JT at August 13, 2022 08:14 PM (T4tVD)

92 83 >>>Turn off your mind a bit and you'll enjoy it well enough.
Posted by: sven


My mind is always off, so....
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 13, 2022 08:11 PM (VWp7G)

What is this "mind" of which you speak?

Posted by: Robert at August 13, 2022 08:14 PM (HVikg)

93 They Live was written in a state of almost pure anger by Carpenter, and, yeah, it's far from his best work. A lot of his fans love it, but they elevate it because of that 20 minute sequence in the middle with the glasses. Outside of that, the film is a mess.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 07:52 PM (LvTSG)

I stumbled onto the short story that is the basis of the story. I think the never ending fight scene is one of the big detriments to the film. Plus the ending just doesn't work. Walk down corridor, shoot guards at intersection, repeat.

Posted by: WiNO at August 13, 2022 08:14 PM (EpDzw)

94 I have to ask. What is a worse franchise? The Jets or the Browns? Jets QB already hurt

Jets last Super Bowl was 1969. Browns a original team, has never been there

Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:14 PM (WY8d2)

95 87 Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 13, 2022 08:13 PM (WHt4f)

Eh properly contained Lucas was "good/great" once he became "Billionaire Genius Geo Lucas Esquire" who could not be contained it all fell apart.

A guy who repeatedly tried to mainstream 35+ year-olds debauching 14 year olds needs containing....

See rough draft Kenobi and Rough Draft Marion Ravenwood

Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 08:14 PM (Lzpvj)

96 93 I stumbled onto the short story that is the basis of the story. I think the never ending fight scene is one of the big detriments to the film. Plus the ending just doesn't work. Walk down corridor, shoot guards at intersection, repeat.
Posted by: WiNO at August 13, 2022 08:14 PM (EpDzw)

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It's built on a series of insane coincidences and plot conveniences. It's not compelling from a very basic dramatic point of view.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 08:15 PM (LvTSG)

97 Watched Thirteen Lives on Amazon. It is a solid film. I didn't know some of the facts about the rescue.

Posted by: WiNO at August 13, 2022 08:15 PM (EpDzw)

98 Original Alien scarred the hell out of me

Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:15 PM (WY8d2)

99 I remember the TV ads for Shocker. "Wes Craven's Shocker!" every 5 seconds. It was my first Craven film and...meh.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at August 13, 2022 08:16 PM (8C7+r)

100 91. I despise Al Gore also

Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:17 PM (WY8d2)

101 94 Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:14 PM (WY8d2)

I hate both, but there is a serious asterisk on the Clowns' "lack of super bowls" the Clowns were a champion team two years prior and dominated to a ridiculous degree 50, 54, 55, and 60....

so you take what you get.

Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 08:17 PM (Lzpvj)

102 98 Original Alien scarred the hell out of me
Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:15 PM (WY8d2)
Me too. I was a couple weeks before I could hit the Golden China seafood buffet.

Posted by: Eromero at August 13, 2022 08:18 PM (0OP+5)

103 I saw Fiend Without a Face as a kid.
Scared the crap outta me. I didn't sleep for a week.
Never been a fan of horror ever since.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 13, 2022 08:18 PM (anj39)

104 Criff Craven delivers.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 13, 2022 08:19 PM (63Dwl)

105 I am getting old. Original Star Wars was considered a buck rodgers knockoff, and did lousy biz its first weekend. By the next weekend, my friends and i could not get tickets for the next two weeks

Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:20 PM (WY8d2)

106 I watched "They Live" again recently, and while it's still fun, it's obvious that it had a budget of about $750 total. The big fight in the middle between Rowdy Roddy Piper and his friend is only there because "Hey Rowdy Roddy is a big time wrassler and his fans expect this! Plus it keeps us from having to write 15 more minutes of actual script!"

Also the fact that the Girl was gonna betray them was telegraphed as soon as she turned up again.

A lot of fascinating anti-authoritarian ideas wrapped up in a low budget bucket of schlock.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 13, 2022 08:20 PM (r46W7)

107 My combat experience didn't affect my distaste for gore. Didn't like it before either. I just think it's cheap.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 13, 2022 08:20 PM (u73oe)

108 Was going to bring up Alien as a good horror movie

Posted by: Skip at August 13, 2022 08:20 PM (k8B25)

109 Cliff Claven was awesome. Cheers went off 30 years ago, and I still miss it

Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:21 PM (WY8d2)

110 Shocker was the movie that convinced me that I needed to kinda ignore Wes Craven until a bunch of reviews were in.

Unlike say Kubrick, he wasn't an automatic must see.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 13, 2022 08:21 PM (5NkmN)

111 106 Posted by: Tom Servo at August 13, 2022 08:20 PM (r46W7)

It is when I decided he was probably a hack.

You notice Whore E Wood 1980s and 90s anti-authoritarians are in fact damn near uniformly "authoritarians" now?

I say slaughterhouse five is a comedy to be an edge lord, they want to larp it.

Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 08:21 PM (Lzpvj)

112 107 My combat experience didn't affect my distaste for gore. Didn't like it before either. I just think it's cheap.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 13, 2022 08:20 PM (u73oe)

Gore is like Michael Bay's 'splosions. Most of the time it's only there to cover up the lack of a coherent plot.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 13, 2022 08:22 PM (r46W7)

113 105 Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:20 PM (WY8d2)

Lucas SWEARSIES had 300 years of outlines....

Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 08:22 PM (Lzpvj)

114 Alien holds a special place in my heart. Not because of the film, but my experience when I first saw it at the theater in Tacoma Mall.

A young Ranger and his roomie went to see it. We were quite the amateur Sci-Fi film critics, ticking off tropes, etc.

Half-way or so through Alien, this big, hulking black dude comes a-stomping up the aisle. Yaphet Kotto. Turns out he owned a ranch in nearby Puyallup at the time.

Roomie was agog. Me, having dated an NBA head coach's daughter for a bit (so jaded, was I!) thought it was pretty cool. Kept elbowing him the rest of the film over his reaction.

Didn't see him again, though.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at August 13, 2022 08:22 PM (8C7+r)

115 101. Good point. But what a about the Lions?

Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:23 PM (WY8d2)

116 My combat experience didn't affect my distaste for gore. Didn't like it before either. I just think it's cheap.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 13, 2022 08:20 PM (u73oe)

Ditto.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 13, 2022 08:23 PM (anj39)

117 115 Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:23 PM (WY8d2)

same thing, I think "reality began on date x" magic thinking kind of started with the super bowl....

The Lions were an actual championship club once upon a time...

Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 08:24 PM (Lzpvj)

118 Have no idea what to watch tonight. Unforgiven came up on Grit.

Posted by: Infidel at August 13, 2022 08:25 PM (mn1Pi)

119 OK. I can't hold back on this anymore. Earlier today I said I was going to salvage a boat from Lake Palestine. Whoa Mama. It's a 58 Crestliner JetStreak. All aluminum, looks like a car, tailfins and all. My neighbor says he's gonna finish it in tittypink. I suggested Hello Kitty upholstery. This is gonna be the cat's meow on the lake.

Posted by: Eromero at August 13, 2022 08:25 PM (0OP+5)

120 20:They live was his attempt at a hate note to Reagan optimism that watches today like donk superfan is the enemy.


The Wire was supposed to be a critique on the War on Drugs and instead it's a critique of Democrat Party corruption in Baltimore. What the lefty director has in mind may turn out to be something completely different. Wasn't Rorschach from The Watchmen supposed to be a bad guy except people rooted for him? They Live! is one of my favorite movies.

Posted by: Puddleglum at August 13, 2022 08:26 PM (sAmhv)

121 At least with Jason, there a slim to nil chance you could escape the woods. Alien you were fu%%d, like being a Trump voter in a blue state. Stuck in space, 30 light years away

Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:26 PM (WY8d2)

122 118 Have no idea what to watch tonight. Unforgiven came up on Grit.
Posted by: Infidel at August 13, 2022 08:25 PM (mn1Pi)

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I'm having a good time with a fun, happy-go-lucky, family film, the Australian western The Proposition.

Watch it with the kids!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 08:26 PM (LvTSG)

123 118 Posted by: Infidel at August 13, 2022 08:25 PM (mn1Pi)

hard to ever go wrong with unforgiven, I would also suggest True Grit the remake.

Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 08:26 PM (Lzpvj)

124 In a better alternate universe, Larry Cohen would've teamed up with Wes Craven and made some totally awesome horror movies.

Or, maybe even Craven got his wish to get out of horror..

Cuz Cohen could definitely write but was at best an untalented director, and Craven couldn't write but could put a well-scripted movie effectively on screen.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 13, 2022 08:26 PM (5NkmN)

125 In the Woody Alien movie, a kiddy diddler jumps out of his chest.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I Survived the Mar-A-Lago Raid at August 13, 2022 08:27 PM (FVME7)

126 Swamp Thing need no special plot devices other than what Adrienne Barbeau brought to the big screen.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 13, 2022 08:27 PM (WHt4f)

127 The only thing about Baltimore I ever liked, was Jim Palmer and Brooks Robinson

Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:27 PM (WY8d2)

128 Harsh, but fair.

Posted by: Darth Randall at August 13, 2022 08:27 PM (zL564)

129 I bet, in 1954, War of the Worlds movie caused a lot of nightmares

Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:28 PM (WY8d2)

130 120 Posted by: Puddleglum at August 13, 2022 08:26 PM (sAmhv)

Yup, there is a TV trope called "misaimed fandom" that pretends the artist is in control of how his art is consumed....

well "no" Alan Moore hated that Rorschach was the breakout toon, hell today people like the Comedian.

Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 08:28 PM (Lzpvj)

131 Gore is like Michael Bay's 'splosions. Most of the time it's only there to cover up the lack of a coherent plot.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 13, 2022 08:22 PM (r46W7)

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Wait a minute and I'll give you a slow mo shot of black helicopters banking to the right.

Posted by: Michael Bay at August 13, 2022 08:28 PM (5pTK/)

132 123. Searchers also

Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:29 PM (WY8d2)

133 119 Posted by: Eromero at August 13, 2022 08:25 PM (0OP+5)

Nice, if I am ever cursed with "more money than sense" I will restore a Vietnam PBR.....

Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 08:29 PM (Lzpvj)

134 I've seen pictures of Anthony Hopkins on Instagram looking like Hitler.
When did he play Hitler?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, my trench is full of chickens at August 13, 2022 08:29 PM (eGTCV)

135 The only thing about Baltimore I ever liked, was Jim Palmer and Brooks Robinson
Posted by: Jonah

Frank Robinson ?

Posted by: JT at August 13, 2022 08:30 PM (T4tVD)

136 Iron Mike Golf,
I remember that place. Saw The Wrath of Kahn there. The theater is gone now.
At that time I was the Divarty S2, just up the road from the Ranger BN.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 13, 2022 08:30 PM (anj39)

137 134 I've seen pictures of Anthony Hopkins on Instagram looking like Hitler.
When did he play Hitler?
Posted by: N.L. Urker, my trench is full of chickens at August 13, 2022 08:29 PM (eGTCV)

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The Bunker, 1981. I've never seen it, only seen it referenced in comparison to the German film Downfall.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 08:30 PM (LvTSG)

138 Great thread, TJM.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 13, 2022 08:30 PM (5pTK/)

139 138 Great thread, TJM.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 13, 2022 08:30 PM (5pTK/)

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Thank you!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 08:30 PM (LvTSG)

140 85 Peter Cushing is Van Helsing. Nice scenery so far.
Posted by: fd at August 13, 2022 08:12 PM (sn5EN)

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Huh. I watched an older version of The Hound of the Baskervilles recently. Peter Cushing played Sherlock Holmes, and Christopher Lee played Henry Baskerville.

I wonder how many movies they did together.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at August 13, 2022 08:31 PM (RFKzk)

141 135. He started out with the Reds though

Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:31 PM (WY8d2)

142 Great thread, TJM.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing

ALL of his Threads are great .

Posted by: JT at August 13, 2022 08:32 PM (T4tVD)

143 139. +1

Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:32 PM (WY8d2)

144 142 ALL of his Threads are great .
Posted by: JT at August 13, 2022 08:32 PM (T4tVD)

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You just say that because you're my friend.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 08:32 PM (LvTSG)

145 Hiya, JT!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 13, 2022 08:32 PM (5pTK/)

146 Wasn't Rorschach from The Watchmen supposed to be a bad guy except people rooted for him? They Live! is one of my favorite movies.
Posted by: Puddleglum at August 13, 2022 08:26 PM (sAmhv)

Rorschach was Alan Moore's attempt at mocking Steve Ditko, Objectivism and, kind of spitballing on this last one, law and order Reaganites.

But instead he's the fan favorite character.

Posted by: Robert at August 13, 2022 08:33 PM (wksVb)

147 I bet, in 1954, War of the Worlds movie caused a lot of nightmares
Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:28 PM (WY8d2)

I think The Day The Earth Stood Still (1951) is still one of the best SciFi films ever.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 13, 2022 08:33 PM (anj39)

148 I've seen pictures of Anthony Hopkins on Instagram looking like Hitler.
When did he play Hitler?
Posted by: N.L. Urker, my trench is full of chickens

Hitler: The Last Ten Days

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070184/

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I Survived the Mar-A-Lago Raid at August 13, 2022 08:34 PM (FVME7)

149 Swamp Thing need no special plot devices other than what Adrienne Barbeau brought to the big screen.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 13, 2022 08:27 PM (WHt4f)

She filled out the big screen nicely.

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 13, 2022 08:34 PM (4I/2K)

150 146 Rorschach was Alan Moore's attempt at mocking Steve Ditko, Objectivism and, kind of spitballing on this last one, law and order Reaganites.

But instead he's the fan favorite character.
Posted by: Robert at August 13, 2022 08:33 PM (wksVb)

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You give a guy a line like, "I'm not stuck in here with you, you're stuck in here with me!" and you'd better not be surprised that people love him.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 08:34 PM (LvTSG)

151 I hate Speilberg's politics ,and he has made too many popcorn blockbusters, but i would enjoy a thread about his career

Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:34 PM (WY8d2)

152 146 Posted by: Robert at August 13, 2022 08:33 PM (wksVb)

Right and the goal has been to destroy the character and crap on his fans ever since....

pretty funny actually.

Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 08:35 PM (Lzpvj)

153 One horror movie I was pleasantly surprised with was The Woman in Black. Stars Daniel Radcliffe. No gore really (there may have been one scene), and I was really taken by the idea of a house that was inaccessible when the tide came in.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at August 13, 2022 08:35 PM (RFKzk)

154 Not a fan of Horror, but since this is a movie thread, I'd like to say that I always thought Ethel Merman shoulda got a Best Supporting Actress Oscar for her role in Its a Mad Mad World.

And I think Walter Brennan shoulda got a Best Supporting Actor Oscar for his role in Rio Bravo.

Posted by: JT at August 13, 2022 08:35 PM (T4tVD)

155 112 107 My combat experience didn't affect my distaste for gore. Didn't like it before either. I just think it's cheap.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 13, 2022 08:20 PM (u73oe)

Gore is like Michael Bay's 'splosions. Most of the time it's only there to cover up the lack of a coherent plot.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 13, 2022 08:22 PM (r46W7)


For me, it depends on how the storyteller uses it and for what purpose. The beach landing scene in Private Ryan and the end scene of Das Boot, where it's the environment (and not the central focus) and we get a peek at what that environment does to people doesn't strike me as a cheap cover.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at August 13, 2022 08:35 PM (8C7+r)

156 My neighbor says he's gonna finish it in tittypink. I suggested Hello Kitty upholstery. This is gonna be the cat's meow on the lake.
Posted by: Eromero at August 13, 2022 08:25 PM (0OP+5)

Is tittypink a real color? Please tell me it's a real color.

Posted by: Robert at August 13, 2022 08:35 PM (wksVb)

157 Platoon was probably scarier than most movies of the 80's.

Saw that opening night 1986

Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:36 PM (WY8d2)

158 *Hitler: The Last Ten Days *

That was Alec Guinness.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos (meh, it's a living) at August 13, 2022 08:36 PM (3DZIZ)

159 well "no" Alan Moore hated that Rorschach was the breakout toon, hell today people like the Comedian.
Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 08:28 PM (Lzpvj)

Moore is an idiot. The thing about Rorschach is that he is actually... admirable. He is uncompromising. He believes the guilty and the evil should be punished. He lives his ideals. He refuses to back down and accept the easy lie in place of the truth or believe in the supremecy of the Utopian Thing. In that whole sorry dreck of a shit story, he is the only character who actually ACTS like a hero.

And Moore HATED him. What does that tell you?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2022 08:36 PM (dNqv+)

160 I sometimes get Craven and de Palma mixed up.

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 13, 2022 08:36 PM (4I/2K)

161 ALL of his Threads are great .
Posted by: JT at August 13, 2022 08:32 PM (T4tVD)

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You just say that because you're my friend.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang

And because you're a good sport !

Posted by: JT at August 13, 2022 08:36 PM (T4tVD)

162 Hiya Blake !

Posted by: JT at August 13, 2022 08:36 PM (T4tVD)

163 Eh, I always get Anthony Hopkins and Alec Guiness mixed up.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I Survived the Mar-A-Lago Raid at August 13, 2022 08:37 PM (FVME7)

164 154. Walter Brennan won about 5 supporting oscars anyways

Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:37 PM (WY8d2)

165 150 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 08:34 PM (LvTSG)

Assuming the kids from the pendulumatic swing right should it ever be be allowed to happen get served art it will be lit.

It is easy to forget that the 60s and 70s were just a crime cuck as this one.

Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 08:37 PM (Lzpvj)

166 151 I hate Speilberg's politics ,and he has made too many popcorn blockbusters, but i would enjoy a thread about his career
Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:34 PM (WY8d2)

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I try to avoid filmmakers who are still alive. Mostly, I don't want to have to reorder lists when they release new things (I had to re-order my Billy Wilder list last week because I finally found his first film and watched it, more than 2 years after having completed that run through), but it's also helpful to have a complete view of the person's when trying to write about them.

Final films often say something interesting about a filmmaker.

It's also why I've never done Ridley Scott. And yes, I've done some living ones (Scorsese, Malick, Nolan, Gilliam, a couple of others), but I kind of regret having done them. I don't want to have to reorder things!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 08:37 PM (LvTSG)

167
And I think Walter Brennan shoulda got a Best Supporting Actor Oscar for his role in Rio Bravo.
Posted by: JT


First actor to accumulate three Academy Awards and to date still the only actor to win three Oscars as Best Supporting Actor.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 13, 2022 08:38 PM (63Dwl)

168 for me, David Niven and Alec Guiness

Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:38 PM (WY8d2)

169 156 My neighbor says he's gonna finish it in tittypink. I suggested Hello Kitty upholstery. This is gonna be the cat's meow on the lake.
Posted by: Eromero at August 13, 2022 08:25 PM (0OP+5)

Is tittypink a real color? Please tell me it's a real color.
Posted by: Robert at August 13, 2022 08:35 PM (wksVb)

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I want the Crayola set that has that color in it!

Posted by: No One of Consequence at August 13, 2022 08:38 PM (RFKzk)

170 153 One horror movie I was pleasantly surprised with was The Woman in Black. Stars Daniel Radcliffe. No gore really (there may have been one scene), and I was really taken by the idea of a house that was inaccessible when the tide came in.
Posted by: No One of Consequence at August 13, 2022 08:35 PM (RFKzk)

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I saw that on a plane and loved it. Haven't seen it since. No idea if I was lightheaded through the whole thing to color my view of it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 08:38 PM (LvTSG)

171 154. Walter Brennan won about 5 supporting oscars anyways
Posted by: Jonah

3, IIRC.

Posted by: JT at August 13, 2022 08:38 PM (T4tVD)

172 164 154. Walter Brennan won about 5 supporting oscars anyways
Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:37 PM (WY8d2)

Rio Bravo is still the most enjoyable western ever made.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2022 08:38 PM (dNqv+)

173 ALL of his Threads are great .
Posted by: JT at August 13, 2022 08:32 PM (T4tVD)

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You just say that because you're my friend.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 08:32 PM (LvTSG)
***

Admit it. His mom slipped you a C note.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 13, 2022 08:38 PM (anj39)

174 Brooks Robinson played 3rd base for the Orioles

and that's my contrib to the thread

Posted by: DB at August 13, 2022 08:39 PM (geLO8)

175 It's also why I've never done Ridley Scott. And yes, I've done some living ones (Scorsese, Malick, Nolan, Gilliam, a couple of others), but I kind of regret having done them. I don't want to have to reorder things!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 08:37 PM (LvTSG)

And yet you keep doing it.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2022 08:39 PM (dNqv+)

176 TJM, could you do one of these excellent threads for our upcoming days in the new FBI/KGB re education camps?

If they allow us the internet

Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:40 PM (WY8d2)

177 175 And yet you keep doing it.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2022 08:39 PM (dNqv+)

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Lists are dumb, but people love 'em. Gotta get them clicks.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 08:40 PM (LvTSG)

178 Admit it. His mom slipped you a C note.
Posted by: Diogenes

Ain't NOBODY slipped me a C note in a LOOOOOOONNNG time !

(You're just tryna get the IRS on me !)

Posted by: JT at August 13, 2022 08:40 PM (T4tVD)

179 159 Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2022 08:36 PM (dNqv+)

There were three heroes in the story.

The two nite owls and the R man...

Hollis Mason was easily the "purest" hero, Daniel was flawed, and the R man was a borderline psychopath.

Thing is my son even aged 11 understood, "Kovacs is the only guy there that says out of the gate omnicide bad."

Moore is a goreon and they jerk off to more than 7 billion people "necessarily die off."

Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 08:41 PM (Lzpvj)

180 176 TJM, could you do one of these excellent threads for our upcoming days in the new FBI/KGB re education camps?

If they allow us the internet
Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:40 PM (WY8d2)

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I will recreate movies in whole in our makeshift theatrical environment. First will be Simple Jack:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIxHb7cA6tg

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 08:41 PM (LvTSG)

181 Rio Bravo is still the most enjoyable western ever made.
Posted by: Aetius451AD

Its my all time fave !

Posted by: JT at August 13, 2022 08:41 PM (T4tVD)

182 172. I loved Josie Wales. The Union Senator ordering the execution of Josie's pals, reminds me of Merrick Garland

Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:42 PM (WY8d2)

183 Moore is an idiot. The thing about Rorschach is that he is actually... admirable. He is uncompromising. He believes the guilty and the evil should be punished. He lives his ideals. He refuses to back down and accept the easy lie in place of the truth or believe in the supremecy of the Utopian Thing. In that whole sorry dreck of a shit story, he is the only character who actually ACTS like a hero.

And Moore HATED him. What does that tell you?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2022 08:36 PM (dNqv+)

Rorschach's fate at the end of Watchmen was pure BS. He begs Dr. Manhattan to kill him because...??????

Just cuz Alan Moore was finished with him, I guess.

He really is an excellent writer in some ways but holy hell that ending was 20 different kinds of terrible.

Posted by: Robert at August 13, 2022 08:42 PM (J6lLz)

184 Rio Bravo is still the most enjoyable western ever made.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2022 08:38 PM (dNqv+)

When he holds that double barrel side-by-side shotgun on the bad guy as they ride and 'hopes' he doesn't get jostled about.

I'd give a nod to Silverado to be in the Top 5.

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 13, 2022 08:43 PM (4I/2K)

185 180 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 08:41 PM (LvTSG)

A thread on "films within films" could be epic....

https://nestflix.fun/coming-up-daisy/

Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 08:43 PM (Lzpvj)

186 Rio Bravo it is. I have never seen it. i am on it

Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:43 PM (WY8d2)

187 Neighbor's Dad was a sheriff LT, had a T-Bird in tittypink. He's going with tittypink. Think of Elvis movie, captain's hat, maybe Ann Margaret? Shut to mouf.

Posted by: Eromero at August 13, 2022 08:43 PM (0OP+5)

188 Great Westerns?

"The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance" gets my nod.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 13, 2022 08:44 PM (5pTK/)

189 185 A thread on "films within films" could be epic....

https://nestflix.fun/coming-up-daisy/
Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 08:43 PM (Lzpvj)

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Hmm...Maybe I could do this instead of my planned visit of the Fifty Shades of Gray movies...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 08:44 PM (LvTSG)

190 186 Rio Bravo it is. I have never seen it. i am on it
Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:43 PM (WY8d2)

Damn, I envy him.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2022 08:44 PM (dNqv+)

191 (You're just tryna get the IRS on me !)
Posted by: JT

Those new 86,000 IRS agents will be like Agent 13 in Get Smart, hiding in mailboxes, trash cans and whatnot.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I Survived the Mar-A-Lago Raid at August 13, 2022 08:45 PM (FVME7)

192 186 Rio Bravo it is. I have never seen it. i am on it
Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:43 PM (WY8d2)

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You shouldn't be disappointed. Howard Hawks was good at the whole moviemaking thing.

(Hawks was a very large influence on John Carpenter, just to tie it in to an earlier discussion.)

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 08:45 PM (LvTSG)

193 172. I loved Josie Wales. The Union Senator ordering the execution of Josie's pals, reminds me of Merrick Garland
Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:42 PM (WY8d2)

"They were treated decently. They were decently fed and then decently shot."

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 13, 2022 08:45 PM (4I/2K)

194 136 Iron Mike Golf,
I remember that place. Saw The Wrath of Kahn there. The theater is gone now.
At that time I was the Divarty S2, just up the road from the Ranger BN.
Posted by: Diogenes at August 13, 2022 08:30 PM (anj39)


Yeah, saw ST the Motion Picture there and Apocalypse Now! (boy, howdy, did the fellas tear that one up!) I think it was a company sized group went together to see that one. We took up 4 rows in the theater. Back then, every PSG and half the sqd leaders were Viet Nam vets.

When Wrath of Kahn came out, I was down the road working in Jack Keane's 3 shop. Still saw it at that theater!

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at August 13, 2022 08:45 PM (8C7+r)

195 Oops hear a knock on the door...........

Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:45 PM (WY8d2)

196 One horror movie I was pleasantly surprised with was The Woman in Black. Stars Daniel Radcliffe. No gore really (there may have been one scene), and I was really taken by the idea of a house that was inaccessible when the tide came in.
Posted by: No One of Consequence at August 13, 2022 08:35 PM (RFKzk)
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I saw that on a plane and loved it. Haven't seen it since. No idea if I was lightheaded through the whole thing to color my view of it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 08:38 PM (LvTSG)

Saw that when it came out. Single worst audience I've ever had the displeasure of seeing a movie with.

Posted by: Robert at August 13, 2022 08:45 PM (J6lLz)

197 196 Saw that when it came out. Single worst audience I've ever had the displeasure of seeing a movie with.
Posted by: Robert at August 13, 2022 08:45 PM (J6lLz)

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I guess they didn't like atmospheric horror.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 08:46 PM (LvTSG)

198 You shouldn't be disappointed. Howard Hawks was good at the whole moviemaking thing.

(Hawks was a very large influence on John Carpenter, just to tie it in to an earlier discussion.)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 08:45 PM (LvTSG)

I watched that movie about 5 times before I realized that the first actual dialogue is 5 mins in.

'You're under arrest, Joe.'

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2022 08:46 PM (dNqv+)

199
Rorschach was Alan Moore's attempt at mocking Steve Ditko, Objectivism and, kind of spitballing on this last one, law and order Reaganites.
But instead he's the fan favorite character.
Posted by: Robert at August 13, 2022 08:33 PM (wksVb)


Rorschach is at the same time both a Noir detective like Hammett's Sam Spade, and The Shadow. Fully aware of the corruption, devoted to the truth, and with no compunctions on how to redress injury and evil.
And with no ability to back down, even to death.
I would think that would be a bad thing for someone who believed that good and evil are negotiable and on a spectrum of social wants.

I think Rorschach is also the counterpoise to The Joker, as in being Chaotic Good

Posted by: Kindltot at August 13, 2022 08:46 PM (xhaym)

200 >>A thread on "films within films" could be epic....


Rick Dalton – The 14 Fists of McCluskey

Posted by: DB at August 13, 2022 08:47 PM (geLO8)

201 Oops hear a knock on the door...........
Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:45 PM (WY8d2)

*Cue suspenseful music*

Posted by: Robert at August 13, 2022 08:47 PM (wOlFu)

202 My appreciation for John Wayne has grown over the years. My late Uncle was a huge fan. After he died I made an effort to watch more JW movies. I started to enjoy them. Then, as are culture has gone increasingly more postmodern and wretched, watching John Wayne movies has turned into an act of Counterculture which is a bit ironic.

Posted by: Puddleglum at August 13, 2022 08:47 PM (sAmhv)

203 Count de Monet @ 193-
Don't piss down my back and tell me it's rain.

Posted by: Eromero at August 13, 2022 08:47 PM (0OP+5)

204 Rio Bravo it is. I have never seen it. i am on it
Posted by: Jonah

Enjoy !

Posted by: JT at August 13, 2022 08:48 PM (T4tVD)

205 You have a warrant for what.........

Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:48 PM (WY8d2)

206 What’s funny is (and I am surprised this wasn’t mentioned) is that in a lot of the Craven films they were marketed with his name as if it was a selling point. WES CRAVEN’S Shocker. WES CRAVEN’S The Serpent and the Rainbow. WES CRAVEN’S The People Under The Stairs. And so on. Even if, as I agree with JM, that most of his movies simply aren’t good.

Shocker had a decent soundtrack though. Megadeth covering No More Mr. Nice Guy, for instance.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 13, 2022 08:49 PM (CdZ4i)

207 Night all. Fun thread

Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:49 PM (WY8d2)

208 202 My appreciation for John Wayne has grown over the years. My late Uncle was a huge fan. After he died I made an effort to watch more JW movies. I started to enjoy them. Then, as are culture has gone increasingly more postmodern and wretched, watching John Wayne movies has turned into an act of Counterculture which is a bit ironic.
Posted by: Puddleglum at August 13, 2022 08:47 PM (sAmhv)

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He mostly understood his image and range, and he stayed there. He was naturalistic while there, and he carries almost any movie he's in. Why he decided to play Genghis Khan, though, I'm not quite sure.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 08:49 PM (LvTSG)

209 Don't think I ever watched a John Wayne movie I didn't like.

Posted by: Infidel at August 13, 2022 08:49 PM (mn1Pi)

210 202 My appreciation for John Wayne has grown over the years. My late Uncle was a huge fan. After he died I made an effort to watch more JW movies. I started to enjoy them. Then, as are culture has gone increasingly more postmodern and wretched, watching John Wayne movies has turned into an act of Counterculture which is a bit ironic.
Posted by: Puddleglum at August 13, 2022 08:47 PM (sAmhv)

Seen High and the Mighty? It does not come up often since it spent so much time in Wayne's safe.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2022 08:49 PM (dNqv+)

211 200 Posted by: DB at August 13, 2022 08:47 PM (geLO

C*ckpuncher with S Segal from The Onion Movie....



https://youtu.be/mMByDfFMPcE

Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 08:49 PM (Lzpvj)

212 Night Jonah.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2022 08:50 PM (dNqv+)

213 Harry Dean Stanton Red Dawn, think about it

Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:50 PM (WY8d2)

214 Good recent horror movies I've seen are:

"The Empty Man" - don't read anything about it. Just sit back and watch. Very creepy.

"The Cursed" - not the Wes Craven movie, This is basically the Masterpiece Theater version of a werewolf movie. Palpable sense of doom. Unfair and horrible as a curse ought to be. Surprising gooey gore and crunchy violence. Not the feel good movie of the year but very well done.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 13, 2022 08:50 PM (5NkmN)

215 Well, finally caught a TJM movie thread.

*marks off to-do list*

Later!

Keep up the good work, TJM.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 13, 2022 08:50 PM (5pTK/)

216 I think The Day The Earth Stood Still (1951) is still one of the best SciFi films ever.
Posted by: Diogenes at August 13, 2022 08:33 PM (anj39)

I dislike that film more as I've grown older. The morality is horrible. The aliens have ceded all morality to machines. They also have no problem with enforcing said morality on others. Finally, it has the scientism that was prevalent in that time period. "The morality is settled because the science is settled."

Posted by: WiNO at August 13, 2022 08:51 PM (EpDzw)

217 Count de Monet @ 193-
Don't piss down my back and tell me it's rain.
Posted by: Eromero at August 13, 2022 08:47 PM (0OP+5)

His ending scene and lines with Josey Wales are damn good.

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 13, 2022 08:51 PM (4I/2K)

218 Oops hear a knock on the door...........
Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:45 PM (WY8d2)

*Cue suspenseful music*
Posted by: Robert at August 13, 2022 08:47 PM (wOlFu)


In the distance, a coyote howled.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 13, 2022 08:52 PM (anj39)

219 216 I dislike that film more as I've grown older. The morality is horrible. The aliens have ceded all morality to machines. They also have no problem with enforcing said morality on others. Finally, it has the scientism that was prevalent in that time period. "The morality is settled because the science is settled."
Posted by: WiNO at August 13, 2022 08:51 PM (EpDzw)

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"Give up nuclear power, or we will destroy you."

Also, colonialism is bad, m'kay?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 08:52 PM (LvTSG)

220 Great Westerns?

"The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance" gets my nod.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing

Lee Marvin was EXCELLENT as the bad guy !

"That was MY steak Valence !"

Posted by: JT at August 13, 2022 08:52 PM (T4tVD)

221 210: haven't seen it.

Posted by: Puddleglum at August 13, 2022 08:52 PM (sAmhv)

222 Megadeth covering No More Mr. Nice Guy, for instance.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 13, 2022 08:49 PM (CdZ4i)

https://youtu.be/TN3P37LWXwY

Megadeth was also the highlight of the Super Mario Bros. movie.

Breakpoint

https://youtu.be/2MhRkIu4gEM

Posted by: Robert at August 13, 2022 08:53 PM (5AqJk)

223 221 210: haven't seen it.
Posted by: Puddleglum at August 13, 2022 08:52 PM (sAmhv)

I like it. It is not a great wayne movie, but it is a good movie, imo. Zero Hour was an almost copy of it, and Airplane! was almost a shot for shot remake (as comedy) of Zero Hour. So it is odd to see the tropes and scenes from Airplane! in a John Wayne movie, but still enjoyable.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2022 08:55 PM (dNqv+)

224 Great Westerns?

"The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance" gets my nod.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing

Lee Marvin was EXCELLENT as the bad guy !

"That was MY steak Valence !"
Posted by: JT at August 13, 2022 08:52 PM (T4tVD)
***

It's a silky movie but Cat Ballou was fun.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 13, 2022 08:56 PM (anj39)

225 Rorschach's fate at the end of Watchmen was pure BS. He begs Dr. Manhattan to kill him because...??????
Just cuz Alan Moore was finished with him, I guess.
He really is an excellent writer in some ways but holy hell that ending was 20 different kinds of terrible.
Posted by: Robert at August 13, 2022 08:42 PM (J6lLz)


Rorschach's death was used to show that Dr. Manhattan was also a bad character, with his uncompromising view of what is right and moral.

Once again, making the lawful good character commit evil because of the uncompromising stance as to what is good and moral is understandable if you think good and evil are a spectrum and unimportant next to making the world better.

I can't image who was the hero, though. It is like Moore decided that all the superheroes were bad at heart, monsters given license by their abilities without restraint beyond what they felt was right.
In that worldview, Rorschach would have to be the hero

Posted by: Kindltot at August 13, 2022 08:56 PM (xhaym)

226 Silly....not silky

Posted by: Diogenes at August 13, 2022 08:56 PM (anj39)

227 222: good songs even though the respective movies sucked.

Which reminds me of something else as Olivia Newton-John sadly died this week: back when I was in kindergarten/day care, the ladies that ran it would bring in albums to play for the class. And for some reason they were mostly soundtracks. I first heard the Flash Gordon soundtrack here. I also first heard the Grease and Xanadu soundtracks at my NE side (of San Antonio) kindergarten/dat care in those days.

I remember liking the music but in the case of the latter two the movies attached to them were much more sinister. As in bad.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 13, 2022 08:57 PM (CdZ4i)

228 Nothin' wrong with silky.

Silky feels very nice.

Posted by: Robert at August 13, 2022 08:58 PM (vmwEw)

229 227 I remember liking the music but in the case of the latter two the movies attached to them were much more sinister. As in bad.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 13, 2022 08:57 PM (CdZ4i)

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I've never understood the appeal of Grease, but Xanadu is harmless fun.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 08:59 PM (LvTSG)

230 226 Silly....not silky
Posted by: Diogenes at August 13, 2022 08:56 PM (anj39)

Thought we were talking about John Edwards for a second there.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2022 08:59 PM (dNqv+)

231 219: you think that’s bad, check out the insufferably preachy 2009 remake.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 13, 2022 08:59 PM (CdZ4i)

232 Great Westerns?

"The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance" gets my nod.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing

Lee Marvin was EXCELLENT as the bad guy !

"That was MY steak Valence !"
Posted by: JT
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'Rust' would have been an epic. You losers would not have appreciated it.

Posted by: Alec Baldwin at August 13, 2022 08:59 PM (FyHyH)

233 Nothin' wrong with silky.

Silky feels very nice.
Posted by: Robert at August 13, 2022 08:58 PM (vmwEw)


So. How many of you fbi guys were looking at Melainia's undies?

Posted by: Diogenes at August 13, 2022 09:00 PM (anj39)

234 219: you think that’s bad, check out the insufferably preachy 2009 remake.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 13, 2022 08:59 PM (CdZ4i)

I saw it in the theater. It was bad.

Posted by: WiNO at August 13, 2022 09:00 PM (EpDzw)

235 Posted by: Kindltot at August 13, 2022 08:56 PM (xhaym)

This is very thoughtful and intelligent and for that we are going to have to ask you to leave.

*Opens door*

Posted by: Robert, Moron 4 Life at August 13, 2022 09:01 PM (vmwEw)

236 232: bah. You haven’t done jack since playing Jack Ryan near perfectly in The Hunt For Red October.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 13, 2022 09:02 PM (CdZ4i)

237 It's a silky movie but Cat Ballou was fun.
Posted by: Diogenes

The scene with his drunken self and his drunken horse leaning against the wall was classic !

Posted by: JT at August 13, 2022 09:02 PM (T4tVD)

238 you think that’s bad, check out the insufferably preachy 2009 remake.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 13, 2022 08:59 PM (CdZ4i)

I saw it in the theater. It was bad.
Posted by: WiNO at August 13, 2022 09:00 PM (EpDzw)
***

Horribly disappointing.
It could of been so much better.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 13, 2022 09:03 PM (anj39)

239 Good evening morons and thanks for the movie thread TJM. You always bring teh thoughtful analysis.

Posted by: Justin Trudeau at August 13, 2022 09:03 PM (EZebt)

240 And Moore HATED him. What does that tell you?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2022 08:36 PM

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That he's a typical Brit liberal. V for Vendetta was a condemnation of the Thatcher administration.

Posted by: Darth Randall at August 13, 2022 09:03 PM (zL564)

241
'Rust' would have been an epic. You losers would not have appreciated it.
Posted by: Alec Baldwin
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Speaking of which, our crack FBI has demonstrated their analytic/deductive skills:

"REPORT: ALEC BALDWIN
MUST'VE PULLED TRIGGER IN 'RUST' ...
FBI Concludes in Analysis"

https://tinyurl.com/yunfbxv6

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 13, 2022 09:03 PM (R6ndO)

242 239 Good evening morons and thanks for the movie thread TJM. You always bring teh thoughtful analysis.
Posted by: Justin Trudeau at August 13, 2022 09:03 PM (EZebt)

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Well, there was that one time I forgot that The Patriot had a slave character and made a whole thing about it. That wasn't very thoughtful.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 09:04 PM (LvTSG)

243 I've never understood the appeal of Grease,
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 08:59 PM (LvTSG)

Dear sweet Mohammed on a moped but I hate this movie with a burning passion.

Remember that episode of Seinfeld? (There's always an episode of Seinfeld.). Where Elaine is dragged to see The English Patient over and over and each experience is more painful than the last?

That's me and Grease.

Posted by: Robert at August 13, 2022 09:04 PM (TBxZ3)

244 Good evening morons and thanks for the movie thread TJM. You always bring teh thoughtful analysis.
Posted by: Justin Trudeau

Concur !

Posted by: JT at August 13, 2022 09:04 PM (T4tVD)

245 The scene with his drunken self and his drunken horse leaning against the wall was classic !
Posted by: JT at August 13, 2022 09:02 PM (T4tVD)


As was the scene where he gets dressed buy his "squire". Loved it. Even if it did have j fonda.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 13, 2022 09:05 PM (anj39)

246 Wes Craven VS Chuck Norris. No contest.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 13, 2022 07:37 PM (u73oe)

Norris never had cigarettes named after him: https://tinyurl.com/5n7x3s62

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 13, 2022 09:05 PM (jazhE)

247 /merde!

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 13, 2022 09:06 PM (EZebt)

248 243 Remember that episode of Seinfeld? (There's always an episode of Seinfeld.). Where Elaine is dragged to see The English Patient over and over and each experience is more painful than the last?

That's me and Grease.
Posted by: Robert at August 13, 2022 09:04 PM (TBxZ3)

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I've seen it once. I got it from Netflix DVD, and I've never needed to see it again. I'm not even sure if my wife has seen it at all, so it's not like she drags it out of the movie closet on a regular basis (movies like that in the house are Love, Actually and About Time).

I'm satisfied with my one viewing.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 09:06 PM (LvTSG)

249 240: the anti-Thatcher Brits are going to be pissed if they see the history class I will shortly be teaching.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 13, 2022 09:06 PM (CdZ4i)

250 243 Posted by: Robert at August 13, 2022 09:04 PM (TBxZ3)

It was relatively painless the first 300 times...

Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 09:06 PM (Lzpvj)

251 Also, eff Justin Turdeau

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 13, 2022 09:07 PM (EZebt)

252 *thinks about mentioning Greased Lightning*

*decides to not mention Greased Lightning*

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 13, 2022 09:07 PM (4I/2K)

253 the anti-Thatcher Brits are going to be pissed if they see the history class I will shortly be teaching.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33
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I have a Union Jack, should I run it up the mast?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 13, 2022 09:07 PM (4akfh)

254 Grease II was, I vaguely recall, even gayer than Grease uno.

Posted by: Robert at August 13, 2022 09:07 PM (TBxZ3)

255 I have to ask. What is a worse franchise? The Jets or the Browns? Jets QB already hurt

Jets last Super Bowl was 1969. Browns a original team, has never been there
Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:14 PM (WY8d2)

The Browns were not an original NFL team. They were a part of the All Americian League in the late 40s and were merged into the NFL and won several NFL championships in a row right after they joined, long before Jim Brown played for them.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 13, 2022 09:08 PM (eoQWY)

256 I have not seen most of Craven's films. I never really liked Nightmare on Elm Street, which is the first thing I saw by him, so I mostly avoided him because of that and because his films mostly seem like bad B films from a distance. Not bad enough to be on Mystery Science Theater, just plain bad.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at August 13, 2022 09:13 PM (KFhLj)

257 OK. I can't hold back on this anymore. Earlier today I said I was going to salvage a boat from Lake Palestine. Whoa Mama. It's a 58 Crestliner JetStreak. All aluminum, looks like a car, tailfins and all. My neighbor says he's gonna finish it in tittypink. I suggested Hello Kitty upholstery. This is gonna be the cat's meow on the lake.
Posted by: Eromero at August 13, 2022 08:25 PM (0OP+5)

Cool beans, Eromero. Looking forward to pics!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 13, 2022 09:13 PM (jazhE)

258 V for Vendetta was a condemnation of the Thatcher administration.
Posted by: Darth Randall at August 13, 2022 09:03 PM (zL564)


V for Vendetta was maybe the worst big budget Hollywood movies that I've ever seen.

Just screaming garbage.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 13, 2022 09:14 PM (5NkmN)

259 >>>*decides to not mention Greased Lightning*

Posted by: Count de Monet

>Is that the one where Anne Heche plows thru the living room wall of a schoolboard mum at 90 mph?

Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 13, 2022 09:14 PM (WHt4f)

260 259 Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 13, 2022 09:14 PM (WHt4f)

The reviews are in and it will kill you....

//Roger Egbert's electric voice box...

Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 09:15 PM (Lzpvj)

261 Mike Hammer

Ya know who you remind me of ?

The Murray Hamilton character in the movie 1941.

When he's stuck up in the ferris wheel with Eddie Deezen.

Posted by: JT at August 13, 2022 09:15 PM (T4tVD)

262 Cool beans, Eromero. Looking forward to pics!
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

Seconded !

Posted by: JT at August 13, 2022 09:16 PM (T4tVD)

263 Jaws and Alien are probably the two best horror/suspense films ever.

They also may be the best buddy flicks of all time as well.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 13, 2022 09:17 PM (0wVCE)

264 257 OK. I can't hold back on this anymore. Earlier today I said I was going to salvage a boat from Lake Palestine. Whoa Mama. It's a 58 Crestliner JetStreak. All aluminum, looks like a car, tailfins and all. My neighbor says he's gonna finish it in tittypink. I suggested Hello Kitty upholstery. This is gonna be the cat's meow on the lake.
Posted by: Eromero at August 13, 2022 08:25 PM (0OP+5)

Cool beans, Eromero. Looking forward to pics!
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 13, 2022 09:13 PM (jazhE)
Let me know how I can send you a pic AOP. Bear in mind I be primitive.

Posted by: Eromero at August 13, 2022 09:17 PM (0OP+5)

265 >Is that the one where Anne Heche plows thru the living room wall of a schoolboard mum at 90 mph?
Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 13, 2022 09:14 PM (WHt4f)

She went go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go
Go greased lightning you're burning up the quarter mile

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 13, 2022 09:18 PM (4I/2K)

266 Wes Craven has had well-established accusations of pedophilia.

I know, shocking!

Posted by: BurtTC at August 13, 2022 09:18 PM (47mFt)

267 I think The Day The Earth Stood Still (1951) is still one of the best SciFi films ever.
Posted by: Diogenes at August 13, 2022 08:33 PM (anj39)

I dislike that film more as I've grown older. The morality is horrible. The aliens have ceded all morality to machines. They also have no problem with enforcing said morality on others. Finally, it has the scientism that was prevalent in that time period. "The morality is settled because the science is settled."
Posted by: WiNO at August 13, 2022 08:51 PM (EpDzw)

The old SF story is better - the ship lands, a alien comes out with his robot and is assassinated. The robot goes into stasis. There begin to be some odd incidents and a guy finds that the robot is doing revivication of animals and failing. He intuits that the robot is trying to rebuild the master and thinks have enough information to do so and explains the recordings of the landing would be enough. The robot speaks for the first time and snaps out " Get me those recordings!"

At the end, with the recordings the robot is leaving and the man asks him to put in a good word to the master and the robot replies "I am the master"

Posted by: Oldcat at August 13, 2022 09:18 PM (eoQWY)

268 263 Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 13, 2022 09:17 PM (0wVCE)

Jaws the uplifting story of a meg and a gal named Meg....

you'll be in stitches if you are lucky....

and Alien a wacky tale of two very different women forced to live together a while....

Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 09:18 PM (Lzpvj)

269 I saw Alien when it came out in 1979? with my dad at some dump on the East side, and everyone in the audience was smoking weed, and I was seriously seriously freaked out.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 13, 2022 09:20 PM (EZebt)

270 269 Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 13, 2022 09:20 PM (EZebt)

I was probably just as scare being the only sober person in the building at The Rocky Horror Picture Show in the Oregon District in Dayton Ohio....

Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 09:21 PM (Lzpvj)

271 I saw Alien when it came out in 1979? with my dad at some dump on the East side, and everyone in the audience was smoking weed, and I was seriously seriously freaked out.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 13, 2022 09:20 PM (EZebt)

I went and saw it with a few friends all guys and one guy was so sickened he left the theatre.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 13, 2022 09:21 PM (eoQWY)

272 Wes Craven basically was Ed Woods with higher production value and flashes of true genius. He also had some misfortune thrown into the mix. For example, THE HILLS HAVE EYES was released the same weekend, from memory, as SMOKY AND THE BANDIT. As a result, THHE became known mostly through VHS release years later.
The goofiest part about THHE2 was the surviving German shepherd's flashbacks. Whether apocryphal or not, I've read this was due to Craven's assumption that he could slip a lot of the original footage into the sequel because many potential viewers did not see the first, even after the VHS release.
I would argue that LAST HOUSE ON THE LEFT was the most culturally significant film he made only due to how it mainstreamed gratuitous violence; your knocks on the artistic flaws are on the money. Two other films released at the same time, the far superior and very cheaply made NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD and Sam Peckinpah's big budget THE WILD BUNCH should be seen as part of a set with LAST HOUSE ON THE LEFT in that gore 'n whore went mainstream.
Artistically, I think SERPENT AND THE RAINBOW wins hands down and NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET is a distant second.
Good stuff, TJM.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at August 13, 2022 09:22 PM (nMx88)

273 Let me know how I can send you a pic AOP. Bear in mind I be primitive.
Posted by: Eromero

A beautiful native woman with enormous breasts with do a cave drawing on your wall.

Posted by: JT at August 13, 2022 09:23 PM (T4tVD)

274 I get a kick out of gore, though. It's never enough on its own, but seeing interesting deaths executed in interesting ways is something.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,


My favorite scene of all time is where the transvestite nun and retired game show host is executed by having a baked alaska shoved up his ass by a nuclear mutant death penguin...

That's some quality cinema right there.

Posted by: Surprise Anal Death Beaver, Esq. at August 13, 2022 09:25 PM (hvvP5)

275 273 Let me know how I can send you a pic AOP. Bear in mind I be primitive.
Posted by: Eromero

A beautiful native woman with enormous breasts with do a cave drawing on your wall.
Posted by: JT at August 13, 2022 09:23 PM (T4tVD)
I'm all about beautiful native womens.

Posted by: Eromero at August 13, 2022 09:26 PM (0OP+5)

276 t's also why I've never done Ridley Scott. And yes, I've done some living ones (Scorsese, Malick, Nolan, Gilliam, a couple of others), but I kind of regret having done them. I don't want to have to reorder things!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 08:37 PM (LvTSG)

And yet you keep doing it.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2022 08:39 PM (dNqv+)

The obvious answer is having them bumped off before you release the review.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 13, 2022 09:26 PM (eoQWY)

277 272 The goofiest part about THHE2 was the surviving German shepherd's flashbacks. Whether apocryphal or not, I've read this was due to Craven's assumption that he could slip a lot of the original footage into the sequel because many potential viewers did not see the first, even after the VHS release.
Good stuff, TJM.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at August 13, 2022 09:22 PM (nMx8

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From what I've read, the film was made before Nightmare but the producers ran out of money and the film was never finished. Nightmare came out, and the producers of The Hills Have Eyes Part II used Wes Craven's name to market the film without actually finishing it, giving Craven the editing bay to find a way to get something feature length together.

To get it there, he used extensive flashbacks from the first film. It doesn't help the film, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 09:26 PM (LvTSG)

278 And Moore HATED him. What does that tell you?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2022 08:36 PM (dNqv+)

Wasn't Alan Moore part of the "creative" team around a recent comic about a college perfesser who has a sexual relationships with a shabby homeless dude?

I forget if Moore was allegedly the perfesser... or the homeless dude. But it was one or the other, I believe.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 13, 2022 09:26 PM (47mFt)

279 274 My favorite scene of all time is where the transvestite nun and retired game show host is executed by having a baked alaska shoved up his ass by a nuclear mutant death penguin...

That's some quality cinema right there.
Posted by: Surprise Anal Death Beaver, Esq. at August 13, 2022 09:25 PM (hvvP5)

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But why? I need the motive of the nuclear mutant death penguin!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 09:27 PM (LvTSG)

280 14
' he disliked Bragg so much'
Considering how people felt about Bragg while alive, that makes sense.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 13, 2022 09:27 PM (roH4R)

281 Speaking of "Alien" -

I was watching "Planet of the Vampires" a week or so ago, and yes, it's very clear that that movie formed more than half of the DNA for the Alien script.

While PotV isn't a great movie it's not particularly bad for an Italian space movie of its time and place.

The freaky thing is how often low-budget versions of Alien scenes come up. Not the exact scene the exact way but very very close...only big budget. Even the ending is almost exactly duplicated.

A fun watch for that reason, otherwise you're not missing much if you don't see it.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 13, 2022 09:27 PM (5NkmN)

282 I bet, in 1954, War of the Worlds movie caused a lot of nightmares
Posted by: Jonah at August 13, 2022 08:28 PM (WY8d2)

I think The Day The Earth Stood Still (1951) is still one of the best SciFi films ever.
Posted by: Diogenes at August 13, 2022 08:33 PM (anj39)

I think that's the one with the low flying hover Martian "tanks" rather than the Old style tripod legs and arms/tentacle grippers? I found it far less fearsome even with the higher tech.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 13, 2022 09:28 PM (eoQWY)

283 280 Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 13, 2022 09:27 PM (roH4R)

In someone shut off the irony-the 82d Airborne arguably one of the greatest divisions in American history are HQ'd at a base named for the Cousin Oliver of the CSA.....

but it has all been solved since Camp Simple Jack will now be Camp Liberty.

Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 09:29 PM (Lzpvj)

284 Wasn't Alan Moore part of the "creative" team around a recent comic about a college perfesser who has a sexual relationships with a shabby homeless dude?

I forget if Moore was allegedly the perfesser... or the homeless dude. But it was one or the other, I believe.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 13, 2022 09:26 PM (47mFt)

Here ya go, folks. Don't watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-V4YIyYY1k&t=7s

Posted by: BurtTC at August 13, 2022 09:31 PM (47mFt)

285 The Other (Thomas Tyron); Klute; Just Cause (Blair Underwood stars); Play Misty for Me; Monster, Rosemary's Baby, Dressed to Kill (less so because DePalma). In summary, what I know or suspect can be real terrifies me most.

Posted by: Lola at August 13, 2022 09:31 PM (NIYa7)

286 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 09:26 PM (LvTSG)

This is probably the most discussion THHE2 has received..ever.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at August 13, 2022 09:32 PM (nMx88)

287
But why? I need the motive of the nuclear mutant death penguin!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

A flashback scene origin was left on the cutting room floor but the gist of it was that' a perfectly normal death penguin was visiting a zoo one day when he was bitten by a radioactive mutant ice cream cart attendant with a predilecation for sticking frozen ice cream novelties of his victim's rectums.

Posted by: Surprise Anal Death Beaver, Esq. at August 13, 2022 09:32 PM (hvvP5)

288 286 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 09:26 PM (LvTSG)

This is probably the most discussion THHE2 has received..ever.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at August 13, 2022 09:32 PM (nMx8

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It has its defenders.

I think they're mentally deranged, but they do exist.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 09:33 PM (LvTSG)

289 287 A flashback scene origin was left on the cutting room floor but the gist of it was that' a perfectly normal death penguin was visiting a zoo one day when he was bitten by a radioactive mutant ice cream cart attendant with a predilecation for sticking frozen ice cream novelties of his victim's rectums.
Posted by: Surprise Anal Death Beaver, Esq. at August 13, 2022 09:32 PM (hvvP5)

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Berthold Brecht couldn't have come up with something more penetrating to the human soul than this.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 09:33 PM (LvTSG)

290 283 280 Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 13, 2022 09:27 PM (roH4R)

In someone shut off the irony-the 82d Airborne arguably one of the greatest divisions in American history are HQ'd at a base named for the Cousin Oliver of the CSA.....

but it has all been solved since Camp Simple Jack will now be Camp Liberty.
Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 09:29 PM (Lzpvj)
Fort Polk, damnit. Leonidas Polk, Episcopal Bishop, Confederate General, Pine Mountain Hero. Damnit,

Posted by: Eromero at August 13, 2022 09:34 PM (0OP+5)

291 ' he disliked Bragg so much'
Considering how people felt about Bragg while alive, that makes sense.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 13, 2022 09:27 PM (roH4R)

There's a story about Bragg that prewar he held 2 positions at a post, quartermaster and company commander. So he made out a requisition and forwarded to the QM, and rejected it. So he then appealed to the post commander who exploded "Bragg! Youve argued with every man in the army and now you are arguing with YOURSELF"

He also was almost killed by a soldier rolling a bomb under his cot one night. It blew up but hardly hurt him.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 13, 2022 09:34 PM (eoQWY)

292
V for Vendetta was maybe the worst big budget Hollywood movies that I've ever seen.

Just screaming garbage.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 13, 2022 09:14 PM (5NkmN)

Agree - it astounded me that so many seemed to like it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 13, 2022 09:35 PM (r46W7)

293 Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 09:29 PM (Lzpvj)
Fort Polk, damnit. Leonidas Polk, Episcopal Bishop, Confederate General, Pine Mountain Hero. Damnit,
Posted by: Eromero at August 13, 2022 09:34 PM (0OP+5)

My great great grandfather was a sergeant in the battery that many claim blew Bishop Polk in two (almost). Battery I, 1st Ohio Light of the XI Corps. Hubert Dilger cmdg

Posted by: Oldcat at August 13, 2022 09:36 PM (eoQWY)

294 290 Posted by: Eromero at August 13, 2022 09:34 PM (0OP+5)

Fort Polk through the magic of Woke-O-Vision will now be Camp Johnson...

yes Ft Polk will Camp Cock.

We live in an insane asylum.

Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 09:36 PM (Lzpvj)

295 291 Posted by: Oldcat at August 13, 2022 09:34 PM (eoQWY)

Everywhere Bragg went Harry Mancini's Pink Panther played....

his maiden name was Clouseau

Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 09:37 PM (Lzpvj)

296 Fort Polk through the magic of Woke-O-Vision will now be Camp Johnson...

yes Ft Polk will Camp Cock.

We live in an insane asylum.
Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 09:36 PM (Lzpvj)

not Johnston? There were 2 of those in the Rebs army. Or is it named after Lyndon or something?

Posted by: Oldcat at August 13, 2022 09:38 PM (eoQWY)

297 295 Everywhere Bragg went Harry Mancini's Pink Panther played....

his maiden name was Clouseau
Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 09:37 PM (Lzpvj)

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Speaking of Harry Mancini...

He wrote The Baby Elephant Walk for Hatari!, another Howard Hawks film starring John Wayne.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 09:38 PM (LvTSG)

298 And for some reason they were mostly soundtracks. I first heard the Flash Gordon soundtrack here.

I absolutely love that Queen soundtrack! And the funny part is that they were intentionally trying to make it cheesy and over the top, and it's STILL fantastic to listen to.
FLASH! OOOoooAAAH, Ahhh!!!

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 13, 2022 09:39 PM (r46W7)

299 Florence Henderson, who is remembered most for her role as Carol Brady in the ’70s sitcom “The Brady Bunch,” has died. She was 82 years old.

Posted by: SMOD at August 13, 2022 09:40 PM (X5CsJ)

300 the anti-Thatcher Brits are going to be pissed if they see the history class I will shortly be teaching.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 13, 2022 09:06 PM (CdZ4i)


Do you ever publish your syllabus or record your lectures? Have you ever considered creating short history modules to market to home schoolers with reading lists and tests?

Posted by: Kindltot at August 13, 2022 09:40 PM (xhaym)

301 296 Posted by: Oldcat at August 13, 2022 09:38 PM (eoQWY)

No they decided to name it after a medal of honor recipient...

the issue is there was a genuine WW2 recipient named Abe Allen literally from the town....so it seems to have a post named after you well you do the math.

Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 09:40 PM (Lzpvj)

302 Florence Henderson, who is remembered most for her role as Carol Brady in the ’70s sitcom “The Brady Bunch,” has died. She was 82 years old.
Posted by: SMOD at August 13, 2022 09:40 PM (X5CsJ)

She was also gunned down in the opening of one of the Naked Gun TV shows, singing a song as she went.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 13, 2022 09:41 PM (eoQWY)

303 IIRC, Mancini's last soundtrack was for "Sliver Streak" with Richard Pryor and Gene Wilder. Great movie, and a wonderfully unforgettable theme song.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 13, 2022 09:41 PM (r46W7)

304 240 And Moore HATED him. What does that tell you?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2022 08:36 PM
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That he's a typical Brit liberal. V for Vendetta was a condemnation of the Thatcher administration.
Posted by: Darth Randall at August 13, 2022 09:03 PM (zL564)

That to me is an indication of a good storyteller. When you can take multiple "messages" from a story even the complete opposite others do and from the story teller's inspiration. Because the story is coming first. Today of course the woke crap has decided that the message must come first and you better not be able to take a different meaning than what they force fed you. Wall-E I think is a good example of good storytelling. You can take it as environmentalist. But you can also take a message of personal responsibility and you need to clean up your own messes.

Posted by: Buzzion at August 13, 2022 09:41 PM (BPvSD)

305 @299

>>Florence Henderson, who is remembered most for her role as Carol Brady in the ’70s sitcom “The Brady Bunch,” has died. She was 82 years old.

Did she die again?

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 13, 2022 09:41 PM (0wVCE)

306 Florence Henderson, who is remembered most for her role as Carol Brady in the ’70s sitcom “The Brady Bunch,” has died. She was 82 years old.
Posted by: SMOD at August 13, 2022 09:40 PM (X5CsJ)

The chick from Grease, Anne Heche and Carol Brady. That's three!

Posted by: Robert at August 13, 2022 09:42 PM (DcIz9)

307 Planet of the Vampires + It! The Terror from Beyond Space = Alien

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos (meh, it's a living) at August 13, 2022 09:42 PM (3DZIZ)

308 298 And for some reason they were mostly soundtracks. I first heard the Flash Gordon soundtrack here.

I absolutely love that Queen soundtrack! And the funny part is that they were intentionally trying to make it cheesy and over the top, and it's STILL fantastic to listen to.
FLASH! OOOoooAAAH, Ahhh!!!
Posted by: Tom Servo



That's because Queen specialized in cheesy, over the top, rock n' roll.

Posted by: Puddleglum at August 13, 2022 09:42 PM (sAmhv)

309 306 Posted by: Robert at August 13, 2022 09:42 PM (DcIz9)

All nailable in their time as well....

I mean Anne Heche was so impressed with Ellen!'s dickery she went back to hetero status.

Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 09:43 PM (Lzpvj)

310 Florence Henderson, who is remembered most for her role as Carol Brady in the ’70s sitcom “The Brady Bunch,” has died. She was 82 years old.
Posted by: SMOD at August 13, 2022 09:40 PM (X5CsJ)

The chick from Grease, Anne Heche and Carol Brady. That's three!
Posted by: Robert at August 13, 2022 09:42 PM (DcIz9)

You forgot the Aussie Folk Singer who got in before Olivia NJ

Posted by: Oldcat at August 13, 2022 09:43 PM (eoQWY)

311 302 Florence Henderson, who is remembered most for her role as Carol Brady in the ’70s sitcom “The Brady Bunch,” has died. She was 82 years old.
Posted by: SMOD at August 13, 2022 09:40 PM (X5CsJ)

That's sad. I remember in the early 70's, every time Florence Henderson showed up with a new hairdo, my mom had to go get one exactly like it (she did look rather like Florence)

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 13, 2022 09:43 PM (r46W7)

312 Judith Durham Death: Lead Singer of The Seekers Dies at 79
Hits include: Georgie Girl, Kumbaya

Posted by: SMOD at August 13, 2022 09:43 PM (X5CsJ)

313 But you can also take a message of personal responsibility and you need to clean up your own messes.
Posted by: Buzzion at August 13, 2022 09:41 PM (BPvSD)

Sonsabitches are ripping me off.

Posted by: Jordan Peterson at August 13, 2022 09:44 PM (DcIz9)

314 That's because Queen specialized in cheesy, over the top, rock n' roll.
Posted by: Puddleglum at August 13, 2022 09:42 PM (sAmhv)

Are you suggesting that "I'm in love with my car" is Cheesy?

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 13, 2022 09:44 PM (r46W7)

315 Watched Superman The Movie. Much better than TJM says.

Also, Aeon Flux is the best animated series ever. Well, maybe in a tie with King of the Hill.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 13, 2022 09:45 PM (m0zqP)

316 *pours out a capful of Wesson Oil in tribute to Florence Henderson*

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 13, 2022 09:45 PM (4I/2K)

317 "Even Craven's done better than this" finishing line from a review I read once of one of Craven's later Scream films.

Posted by: James at August 13, 2022 09:45 PM (THKPx)

318 Judith Durham Death: Lead Singer of The Seekers Dies at 79
Hits include: Georgie Girl, Kumbaya
Posted by: SMOD at August 13, 2022 09:43 PM (X5CsJ)

Yes that's her - Georgie Girl was still playing on the radio when I was starting to appreciate music, and I've watched clips of it and other 60s 70s bands on YT every few months.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 13, 2022 09:45 PM (eoQWY)

319 Hey, we all gonna die. We just won't be famous.

Posted by: Eromero at August 13, 2022 09:46 PM (0OP+5)

320 314 That's because Queen specialized in cheesy, over the top, rock n' roll.
Posted by: Puddleglum at August 13, 2022 09:42 PM (sAmhv)

Are you suggesting that "I'm in love with my car" is Cheesy?
Posted by: Tom Servo



Bombastic too.

Posted by: Puddleglum at August 13, 2022 09:46 PM (sAmhv)

321 Sonsabitches are ripping me off.
Posted by: Jordan Peterson at August 13, 2022 09:44 PM (DcIz9)

You should talk...

Posted by: Lobsters at August 13, 2022 09:47 PM (eoQWY)

322 Hey, we all gonna die. We just won't be famous.
Posted by: Eromero at August 13, 2022 09:46 PM (0OP+5)

Posted by: Robert at August 13, 2022 09:47 PM (DcIz9)

323 Hey, we all gonna die.
Posted by: Eromero at August 13, 2022 09:46 PM (0OP+5)

Says you.

Posted by: Keith Richards at August 13, 2022 09:47 PM (DcIz9)

324 Goddamn sock failure. Didn't get it on in time.

Posted by: Robert at August 13, 2022 09:48 PM (DcIz9)

325 IMO, Cowboy Beebop is the best animated series ever.

Posted by: Puddleglum at August 13, 2022 09:48 PM (sAmhv)

326 Welp, time top go Cronenberging.

"Crimes of the Future" cued up and ready to go.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 13, 2022 09:49 PM (5NkmN)

327 326 Welp, time top go Cronenberging.

"Crimes of the Future" cued up and ready to go.
Posted by: naturalfake at August 13, 2022 09:49 PM (5NkmN)

========

I've heard good things.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 09:49 PM (LvTSG)

328 Says you.
Posted by: Keith Richards at August 13, 2022 09:47 PM (DcIz9)

Richards reminds me of the old Greek myth where a minor goddess falls for a hunky dude and gets Zeus to give him immortality but forgets the eternal youth part. Eventually he turns into a grasshopper and thats where they come from

Posted by: Lobsters at August 13, 2022 09:49 PM (eoQWY)

329 323 Hey, we all gonna die.
Posted by: Eromero at August 13, 2022 09:46 PM (0OP+5)

Says you.
Posted by: Keith Richards at August 13, 2022 09:47 PM (DcIz9)


Don't get cocky, kid.

Posted by: zombie Abe Vigoda at August 13, 2022 09:49 PM (DTX3h)

330 top go = to go

Posted by: naturalfake at August 13, 2022 09:49 PM (5NkmN)

331 IMO, Cowboy Beebop is the best animated series ever.
Posted by: Puddleglum at August 13, 2022 09:48 PM (sAmhv)

Didn't watch all of that one, liked Noir better.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 13, 2022 09:50 PM (eoQWY)

332 Alien and It! the Terror from Beyond Space (one of my favorite 50s monster movies) make a nice double feature. Watch the first one last.

Another is Rio Bravo and John Carpenter's Assault on Precinct 13 (which was basically Carpenter transplanting some of the plot to modern L.A., and if memory serves Carpenter edited the flick under the name John T. Chance). Again, watch the first one last.

Fun thread as always, Mr. Madison.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at August 13, 2022 09:52 PM (a/4+U)

333 Animated series?

Let me show you the greatest animation ever.

https://youtu.be/5R-rbzcEM8A

Posted by: Robert at August 13, 2022 09:52 PM (0c6Wt)

334 'And when I die, and when I die, there'll be one child born to carry on, to carry on...'

Posted by: Eromero at August 13, 2022 09:52 PM (0OP+5)

335 Cowboy Bebop is one of those rare rare efforts that starts off like some low key fluff, and then slowly adds depth and gets better and better, and then hits its absolute peak in the last 10 minutes of the series. And then you realize that they were headed here the entire time.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 13, 2022 09:55 PM (r46W7)

336 Queen also did the soundtrack for the Highlander which was pretty good.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 13, 2022 09:55 PM (u73oe)

337 Queen also did the soundtrack for the Highlander which was pretty good.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 13, 2022 09:55 PM (u73oe)

One of my favorite B movies!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 13, 2022 09:57 PM (XIJ/X)

338 *looking through Prime for something to watch while exercising now that I have finished The Terminal List*

Oh, hey! The 355 is on Prime!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2022 09:58 PM (dNqv+)

339 283 280 Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 13, 2022 09:27 PM (roH4R)

In someone shut off the irony-the 82d Airborne arguably one of the greatest divisions in American history are HQ'd at a base named for the Cousin Oliver of the CSA.....

but it has all been solved since Camp Simple Jack will now be Camp Liberty.
Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 09:29 PM (Lzpvj)
Do you want to live forever....?

Posted by: Eromero at August 13, 2022 09:58 PM (0OP+5)

340 337 One of my favorite B movies!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 13, 2022 09:57 PM (XIJ/X)

==========

So, did Highlander 2 betray or fulfill the promise of the first film?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 09:59 PM (LvTSG)

341 337 Queen also did the soundtrack for the Highlander which was pretty good.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 13, 2022 09:55 PM (u73oe)

One of my favorite B movies!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 13, 2022 09:57 PM (XIJ/X)
Do you want to live forever? How the hell that hamppen?

Posted by: Eromero at August 13, 2022 09:59 PM (0OP+5)

342 So, did Highlander 2 betray or fulfill the promise of the first film?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 09:59 PM (LvTSG)

Highlander 1 - There Can Only be One.
Highlander 2 - There Should Only have been One.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 13, 2022 10:00 PM (r46W7)

343 315 Watched Superman The Movie. Much better than TJM says.

Also, Aeon Flux is the best animated series ever. Well, maybe in a tie with King of the Hill.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 13, 2022 09:45 PM (m0zqP)

Aeon Flux is an animated porno with all the porno removed.

Posted by: Buzzion at August 13, 2022 10:00 PM (BPvSD)

344
We live in an insane asylum.
Posted by: sven
-----

I await a ship, the USS Rachel Levine

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 13, 2022 10:00 PM (Bhmmq)

345 Highlander 1 - There Can Only be One.
Highlander 2 - There WAS only One.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 13, 2022 10:00 PM (r46W7)

FIFY.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2022 10:00 PM (dNqv+)

346 342 Highlander 1 - There Can Only be One.
Highlander 2 - There Should Only have been One.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 13, 2022 10:00 PM (r46W7)

=========

HA!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 10:00 PM (LvTSG)

347 Queen, Highlander.

Posted by: Eromero at August 13, 2022 10:02 PM (0OP+5)

348 So, did Highlander 2 betray or fulfill the promise of the first film?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 09:59 PM (LvTSG)

I think it took a giant shit all over it. Like they drank an entire bottle of milk of magnesia and just covered it in liquid shit.

That might be a tad hyperbolic.

Posted by: Robert at August 13, 2022 10:02 PM (ly5N5)

349 344 Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 13, 2022 10:00 PM (Bhmmq)

Sister Ship the USS Bawney Fwank

Posted by: sven at August 13, 2022 10:02 PM (Lzpvj)

350 Nood. ONT.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2022 10:04 PM (dNqv+)

351 Well since this is the movie thread I should mention our movie showing tomorrow in Sterling, IL if anyone is nearby and interested it will be shown at 2 pm, 611 E Third St, Sterling. It's about the start of the abolitionist movement which was integral to the fires that started the CW.

Sons and Daughters of Thunder is the story of the start of the abolitionist movement. if you are interested the the evolution before the CW it is very good.

Posted by: Farmer at August 13, 2022 10:04 PM (55Qr6)

352 I await a ship, the USS Rachel Levine
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.

Ya know, I'd like to invent a Time Machine and bring back Adm. Ernest J. King to meet with "Rachel" Levine.

Posted by: JT at August 13, 2022 10:07 PM (T4tVD)

353 Never cared for horror flicks. Never seen one as they have no plot, just butchery by some indestructible zombie undead whatever with a chainsaw or some large blade. Same with movies about superheroes. They stretch logic too much and I never cared for comics when I was a kid; too stupid. Pass on the vast majority of non-English foreign films; I watch movies, not read them. Besides, most are artsy-fartsey piles 'o manure with some liberal, commie, socialist message that does not apply to the filmmaker but does to everyone else.

I go to be entertained and none of the above will do that.

To each his own and this is my own.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at August 13, 2022 10:15 PM (P7EjO)

354 341 337 Queen also did the soundtrack for the Highlander which was pretty good.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 13, 2022 09:55 PM (u73oe)

One of my favorite B movies!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 13, 2022 09:57 PM (XIJ/X)
Do you want to live forever? How the hell that hamppen?
Posted by: Eromero at August 13, 2022 09:59 PM (0OP+5)

Highlander had the potential to be great. It is an excellent film as is but I would love to see a remake done fleshing out more of the events through time as well as how it started. The sequels were all crap.

There can be only one!

Posted by: The Man from Athens at August 13, 2022 10:20 PM (P7EjO)

355 Hey TJM, I was happy to see you reference John Carpenter in comparison to Wes Craven. I had a professor in film school who was mentored by Carpenter. I don't know if you've ever devoted a post to Carpenter, but it might be fun, no?

Posted by: Browncoat formerly known as Mike at August 13, 2022 10:25 PM (9Afsw)

356 355 Hey TJM, I was happy to see you reference John Carpenter in comparison to Wes Craven. I had a professor in film school who was mentored by Carpenter. I don't know if you've ever devoted a post to Carpenter, but it might be fun, no?
Posted by: Browncoat formerly known as Mike at August 13, 2022 10:25 PM (9Afsw)

========

I did. Don't comment on this linked thread, or you'll get banned:

https://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=395555

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 13, 2022 11:52 PM (LvTSG)

357 How bout newer schtuff....
The Wailing...
The Orphanage...
Pan's Labyrinth...

Posted by: Qmark at August 14, 2022 09:02 AM (emnp2)

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