The Morning Rant - West Virginia vs Mega Banks’ Anti-Energy Policies: US Bancorp Backs Down; Others Are Spinning and Acting Scared

We have the power at the ballot box to roll back the eco-communism supported by the left and corporate America. We just need to elect more people in state and municipal elections like West Virginia’s State Treasurer, Riley Moore.

This guy is making an impact. A few weeks back I wrote how Mr. Moore needs to be on the shortlist for VP in 2024, or possibly Energy Secretary for the next GOP President.

Since then, he has gotten US Bancorp to back away from their anti-coal policies, and he’s got other money center banks running scared, as he just followed through on his promise to suspend business with them.

Now, The New York Times has taken notice, with this prominent story about the flyover-state Treasurer slaying the Wall Street goliaths.

West Virginia Punishes Banks That It Says Don’t Support Coal [NY Times – 7/28/2022]

West Virginia on Thursday morning announced that five major financial institutions, including Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan, would be barred from doing business with the state because they have stopped supporting the coal industry.
This year, West Virginia enacted a law championed by Mr. Moore that gave him the authority to bar financial institutions from doing business with the state if they were found to be “boycotting” fossil fuels.

Based on anti-coal pronouncements from six major financiers that West Virginia does business with, Mr. Moore had sent them notices advising that they’d be cut off if they didn’t respond that they were backing off from their anti-coal positions.

US Bancorp capitulated, so West Virginia will continue to do business with them.

Mr. Moore said U.S. Bancorp had avoided inclusion on the state’s list of so-called restricted financial institutions because it had decided to eliminate policies against financing coal from its environmental and social risk policy.

Not so the five other financial institutions. In addition to Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan, the other financiers being cut off are Morgan Stanley, Wells Fargo, and Black Rock. How much do they stand to lose? JP Morgan alone will lose about $46 million in deposits from West Virginia’s public university system.

Mr. Moore said those contracts would be wound down by the end of the year and that the state would begin looking for new service providers that did not have policies targeting the coal industry.

Having gone full eco-communist with their ESG policies, it’s almost puzzling that Black Rock, JP Morgan, and Wells Fargo are spinning and on defense about West Virginia cutting them off. You’d think they’d wear it like an eco-badge of honor. What are they afraid of?

Oh, this might have something to do with it. “Heavy D” has weighed in. The man who stared down Mickey Mouse wants to join Riley Moore in his battle against the anti-energy mega banks.

“On Wednesday, Ron DeSantis, the Governor of Florida, joined the campaign, proposing legislation that would prohibit financial firms that manage the state’s pension funds from considering environmental factors when making investment decisions.”

Whenever DeSantis takes the lead, followers like Greg Abbot often want to join in. If the big banks get cut off by Florida and Texas, that will have a major impact on them, both financially and reputationally.

So what are the big banks saying in response to little West Virginia punching them in the nose?

JPMorgan said, “This decision is shortsighted and disconnected from the facts,” adding that its “business practices are not in conflict with this anti-free market law.”

Nice spin. JP Morgan wants to use its bully power to impose its environmental agenda on others, but it screams “anti-free market” at a customer who simply chooses to stop doing business with JPM for that reason.

And then there is Black Rock. In 2020 it made this announcement regarding its divestment from coal:

“Thermal coal is significantly carbon intensive, becoming less and less economically viable, and highly exposed to regulation because of its environmental impacts,” wrote the company’s executive committee. “With the acceleration of the global energy transition, we do not believe that the long-term economic or investment rationale justifies continued investment in this sector.”

That sounded pretty clear. Black Rock is singing a different tune now, however.

BlackRock said it “does not boycott energy companies” and does “not pursue divestment from sectors and industries as a policy.”

Why the change in tone? Maybe it’s because elected executives who fight back against corporate bullying are terrifying to pampered CEOs. Any politicians looking for a punching bag in this populist era might find Black Rock a tempting target. Plus, as I noted in my previous post and as noted in this line from the NY Times, Riley Moore had previously delivered one big strike against Black Rock already.

This year, Mr. Moore pulled about $20 million of the state’s operating funds out of BlackRock because he said the firm was excessively focused on E.S.G. priorities.

In general, the CEOs of big money center banks are more afraid of a 25 year-old employee demanding paper straws and a composting bin in the break room than they are of the millions of normal Americans to whom they want to deny reliable energy.

Maybe that’s changing now. They need to be more afraid of us. We can elect people like Riley Moore and Ron DeSantis, and we can encourage elected officials in red states throughout the country to follow their lead. The elected officials in Texas, Tennessee, and other red states need to start fearing the wrath of their voters if they too don’t suspend business with anti-energy bullies like Black Rock and Goldman Sachs.

(buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com)

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at 11:00 AM

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1 Morning!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 01, 2022 11:03 AM (jikVZ)

2 st!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 01, 2022 11:03 AM (4p7Em)

3 Darn.

*kicks rock*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 01, 2022 11:03 AM (4p7Em)

4 Called em

Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 01, 2022 11:04 AM (jikVZ)

5 I was just thinking how much I would love to see Texas get in on this action; but it will probably have to wait until the legislature is back in session early next year.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 01, 2022 11:04 AM (trdmm)

6 Push back.

They won't quit, though. They'll find a different strategy.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at August 01, 2022 11:04 AM (/HvPV)

7 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at August 01, 2022 11:04 AM (Zz0t1)

8
Walt Fraser is mort?

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at August 01, 2022 11:04 AM (zb2LI)

9 JPMorgan Chase is asshoe. Has been for quite some time.

They are rabidly anti 2A also.

Posted by: Tonypete at August 01, 2022 11:04 AM (Msys3)

10 W. VA will be winning when Manchin gets ass cancer.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at August 01, 2022 11:05 AM (m7R0k)

11 Good for WV.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 01, 2022 11:05 AM (89T5c)

12 Manchin IS ass cancer.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 01, 2022 11:06 AM (trdmm)

13 "West Virginia Punishes Banks That It Says Don’t Support Coal" - NYT

'It Says'.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at August 01, 2022 11:06 AM (k6dkt)

14
"With the acceleration of the global energy transition..."

1. Fuck you, Blackrock.
2. A lot of things are "transitioning," today. All of them are Fake and Contrived.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at August 01, 2022 11:07 AM (zb2LI)

15 Blackmail. I love it.

Hi goose. Meet gander.

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at August 01, 2022 11:07 AM (Zz0t1)

16
"Don't Say Coal" bill?

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at August 01, 2022 11:07 AM (zb2LI)

17 Who knew you could hang a Commie pretending to be a Capitalist with their own rope?

Apparently Mr. Moore knew.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 01, 2022 11:07 AM (RSzuR)

18 9 JPMorgan Chase is asshoe. Has been for quite some time.

They are rabidly anti 2A also.
Posted by: Tonypete

Yes they are. We closed our checking, savings, and transferred our IRA's to a local bank last year. We had Chase accounts for the last 30 years. Fuck them.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at August 01, 2022 11:07 AM (m7R0k)

19 Question for the Magic 8 Ball:

Do these banks likewise boycott China (the biggest abuser of "dirty" energy) and Chinese investments?

*shakes ball*

"Are You F*%ing Joking?"

Posted by: LASue at August 01, 2022 11:08 AM (Ed8Zd)

20 Paging Mr. Dryesdale…

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 01, 2022 11:08 AM (J28lB)

21 The CEOs of these companies are typical bullies. Punch them once and they fold.

Posted by: quantum mechanic at August 01, 2022 11:08 AM (vcv8B)

22 "Don't Say Coal" bill?
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at August 01, 2022 11:07 AM (zb2LI)

lol

Posted by: LASue at August 01, 2022 11:09 AM (Ed8Zd)

23 That's the way you do it.

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 01, 2022 11:09 AM (4I/2K)

24
Yes they are. We closed our checking, savings, and transferred our IRA's to a local bank last year. We had Chase accounts for the last 30 years. Fuck them.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at August 01, 2022 11:07 AM (m7R0k)

I'm very close to kicking them to the curb as well. We've hopefully got the last of the auto-draft items relocated.

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at August 01, 2022 11:09 AM (Zz0t1)

25 top 10? and man, that's a beautify thing WV has started. I really do hope Darth Santis can pull this off in FL.

imo, WV is the warning shot, FL would be the shot UP the nose, not across it...

Posted by: SturmToddler (po3vF) at August 01, 2022 11:09 AM (WhsXQ)

26 Remember, Blackrock lost $1.7 trillion (with a T) of its clients money in the 1st six months of this year.

ESG will put you in the poor house.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 01, 2022 11:09 AM (UuD2k)

27 A few years ago, there was significant Right/Left anger about Too Big To Fail investment firms. Somehow, democrats have pivoted to encouraging Too Big To Resist investors -- including Black Rock, Davos billionaires, and the CCP.

Their "It's okay if we do it" mantra continues apace.

Posted by: red speck at August 01, 2022 11:09 AM (gS3OW)

28
Government Totalitarianism + an alliance with Corporations = Fascism

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at August 01, 2022 11:10 AM (zb2LI)

29 This sounds like something Ken Paxton could get behind. I bet the UT system alone has $100s of millions invested.

Posted by: LASue at August 01, 2022 11:10 AM (Ed8Zd)

30 I tend to avoid firms that embrace Environazism, Slavery and Globalism (ESG).

Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 01, 2022 11:10 AM (lTGtQ)

31 Mr. Moore said U.S. Bancorp had avoided inclusion on the state’s list of so-called restricted financial institutions because it had decided to eliminate policies against financing coal from its environmental and social risk policy.

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Two out of three ain't bad (E & S, now do G) ...

Kudos to Mr Moore, and MOAR please (especially here in AZ)!

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, it gets worse here every day at August 01, 2022 11:10 AM (D89Il)

32

He steals from the rich
And gives to the poor
Mr. Moore, Mr. Moore, Mr. Moore

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 01, 2022 11:11 AM (63Dwl)

33 Now that Nanzi is our new hero 'stunning and brave and insane' I guess the one question no one asked will now never be asked, to wit:

Why is she going there (save for the bank bag collecting)? Do we not have an ambassador to Taiwan?

Back to watching the world burn.

Posted by: micky at August 01, 2022 11:12 AM (3byMq)

34 I think Charles Schwab is anti-woke.

Posted by: LASue at August 01, 2022 11:12 AM (Ed8Zd)

35 I can guarantee those banks are all funding ,either directly or indirectly, coal projects in India and China.

Posted by: Indignatio Vindacatorem at August 01, 2022 11:13 AM (a5Jsm)

36 26 Remember, Blackrock lost $1.7 trillion (with a T) of its clients money in the 1st six months of this year.

ESG will put you in the poor house.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 01, 2022 11:09 AM (UuD2k)

Last time I chatted with my advisor, he was extolling ESG investing. I shut him down hard and told him I will not ever follow that nonsense. I look forward to our next conversation - if he even thinks about discussing ESG - I'll remind him of BlackRock's $1.7 trillion loss. It will be a deal breaker if it keeps coming up.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 01, 2022 11:13 AM (N39Ws)

37 BlackRock said it “does not xxxx bad thing” and does “not xxxx bad things as a policy.”

Ah, the Twitter, Facebook, Amazon, and Democratic party statement template.

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 01, 2022 11:13 AM (4I/2K)

38 Why is she going there (save for the bank bag collecting)? Do we not have an ambassador to Taiwan?

Back to watching the world burn.
Posted by: micky at August 01, 2022 11:12 AM (3byMq)

remember when every jagoff in a shirt on TV was hyperventilating about the Logan Act?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 01, 2022 11:13 AM (/EuRN)

39 "Push back. They won't quit though".

How would we know? Nobody has ever pushed back, not in my lifetime anyway. If people get organized, and use the "Power to the People", we might, might, have a chance. We're hosed if we don't, that's guaranteed.

All those hippies are totally down with "Power to the People, Right On!"

Right?

Posted by: Common Tater at August 01, 2022 11:13 AM (yrttK)

40
Meanwhile, back in SS land...

the literal Nazi kraut, klaus schwab, has plans to literally "blot out the Sun."

As much as I hate the Sun, I oppose Nazis like schwab from blocking it, which they can't.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at August 01, 2022 11:13 AM (zb2LI)

41 Chase is notoriously awful as a bank, I mention them to other banks and they roll their eyes. My mom is in Chase and I'm trying to get her to leave but its a ton of hassle and she's just not up to it these days.

She didn't even want to sign up for Chase. She used to be in this great little bank called Washington Mutual that folded when the housing crisis hit and was swallowed up by Chase, so all the accounts were carried over.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 01, 2022 11:13 AM (Ivdso)

42
Paging Mr. Dryesdale…
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

Granny was always threatening to pull her share out of the Commerce Bank.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 01, 2022 11:14 AM (63Dwl)

43 BlackRock said it “does not boycott energy companies” and does “not pursue divestment from sectors and industries as a policy.”
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That is an interesting and important nuance, actually. There is a difference between "we think this sector is going to underperform and it is no longer something in which we invest" and "this sector is evil and we are attacking it, including divestment of capital and pressuring our business partners to comply with our positions."

There is real risk that the baby gets thrown out with the bathwater when it comes to actions like this, because it could end up punishing people merely making business decisions rather than using those who are using the business to enforce ideological conformity. The risks of the latter are, however, both manifest already and extreme. Aggressive counterattack, even if there are unintended consequences, are justified in my opinion.

It should be expanded. If financial companies' ideologies put them in continuous opposition to the interests of a state, the state should set off a nuke against them by restricting them from mortgage lending and property investment in that state. It's war now.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 01, 2022 11:14 AM (WWh8n)

44 Yes they are. We closed our checking, savings, and transferred our IRA's to a local bank last year. We had Chase accounts for the last 30 years. Fuck them.
Posted by: Maj. Healey

Yep - my wife and I did the same. She is also a trustee for a few family trusts that had accounts there. Key word - 'had'.

We pulled out, what to me was, a sizable amount of funds.

Posted by: Tonypete at August 01, 2022 11:14 AM (Msys3)

45 32

He steals from the rich
And gives to the poor
Mr. Moore, Mr. Moore, Mr. Moore
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 01, 2022 11:11 AM (63Dwl)

He steals from the poor and he gives to the rich,
Stupid bitch!

"Crikey! This redistribution of wealth is trickier than I'd thought!"

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at August 01, 2022 11:14 AM (906pl)

46 "Build your own internet" was always prelude to building your own banking and institutional investment system.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at August 01, 2022 11:15 AM (bM7vb)

47 They say it's all happening at the zoo.

https://bit.ly/3OJf5T2

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Summer of Our Discontent n at August 01, 2022 11:15 AM (FVME7)

48 43 It should be expanded. If financial companies' ideologies put them in continuous opposition to the interests of a state, the state should set off a nuke against them by restricting them from mortgage lending and property investment in that state. It's war now.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 01, 2022 11:14 AM (WWh8n)

==========

It's uncouth to play politics when politics is being played against us.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 01, 2022 11:15 AM (LvTSG)

49 Great article, Buck T! Thanks for bringing the receipts

Posted by: kallisto at August 01, 2022 11:15 AM (dCxaZ)

50 It should be expanded. If financial companies' ideologies put them in continuous opposition to the interests of a state, the state should set off a nuke against them by restricting them from mortgage lending and property investment in that state.

I mean... its sort of obvious you should do that. Working with institutions trying to undermine and destroy your goals is simply foolish.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 01, 2022 11:16 AM (Ivdso)

51 This is great and something to cheer. This time. But the ability of state treasurers and governors to refuse to do business with banks (or any other company) based on social and political positions cuts both ways. What's to stop blue-state governors from cutting off contracts or deposits based on whether the company supports tranny insanity? You can be sure this will be used against us in the future. Indeed, it already is.

The solution is to require business to go back to doing business and stay out of all political and social battles. I think a way to do that it to require that any bank or company that does x amount of business with the state or feds (ore receives x amount of subsidies or tax breaks or whatever) stands in the shoes of the government in terms of non-discrimination laws and additionally cannot refuse to do business with any third party on the basis of any discriminatory reason.

Posted by: Elric Blade at August 01, 2022 11:16 AM (iFTx/)

52 My assumption is, if you find big corp execs bowing to green and/or blm, it's because they're compromised on something far more dangerous to them, should certain truths come out.

Such as the Epstein pedo stuff, and/or investments in Ukraine and other shady parts of the world.

Corporate America hasn't turned lefty because they believe in that shite, they've turned lefty because lefty plays hardball.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2022 11:16 AM (NWBBy)

53 The elected officials in Texas, Tennessee, and other red states need to start fearing the wrath of their voters if they too don’t suspend business with anti-energy bullies like Black Rock and Goldman Sachs.
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Respectfully, I think this is the wrong way to look at it. There will be no wrath of the voter for allowing these outfits to continue. None whatsoever.

What there can be, though, is actually quite a lot more valuable than wrath: support. You want to make your voters enthusiastic *for* your side, not just punishing you for failing to deliver. This kind of thing - major new actions in the interests of the constituents - is how you get that. That's *much* more valuable than the fear of punishment for screwing up or lacking boldness.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 01, 2022 11:16 AM (WWh8n)

54 She used to be in this great little bank called Washington Mutual that folded when the housing crisis hit and was swallowed up by Chase, so all the accounts were carried over.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 01, 2022 11:13 AM (Ivdso)

I dumped Bank One because they sucked. Went to Washington Mutual. Chase bought Bank One, then bought WaMu, putting me back with Bank One, essentially.

I'm in a credit union now and couldn't be happier.

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at August 01, 2022 11:16 AM (Zz0t1)

55 I guess that's one use for the State: staring down banks and corporations.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 01, 2022 11:17 AM (V6f9+)

56 401k system funds all of it.

Your retirement dollars are being wielded as a weapon to destroy your own country. But you won't withdraw your money from it, because you will pay a penalty.

But you are already paying a penalty. $4 gasoline is a penalty. $15 chicken wings are a penalty. $40 OSB board is a penalty.

The market is up!, you say. Except it isn't even keeping up with inflation. And your purchasing power is slowly but surely being siphoned off, and yet you've been conditioned to look at it as increasing.

You'll work until your death for your slave masters. And what little is left will be split between the disadvantaged social leeches in hovels and your children, who have been co-opted into think sodomy and genital mutilation is stunning and brave.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at August 01, 2022 11:17 AM (/HvPV)

57 Klutz Schwab needs to be shot into the Sun.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 01, 2022 11:17 AM (J28lB)

58 Baptists and bootleggers. Assembly required.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at August 01, 2022 11:17 AM (rD0QW)

59
bee-dee-dee-dee-dee

Hey, Buck,

bee-dee-dee-dee-dee

https://youtu.be/SeCb_abgig0

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at August 01, 2022 11:17 AM (zb2LI)

60

Duke Energy loves ESG

https://tinyurl.com/5afsznym

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 01, 2022 11:18 AM (63Dwl)

61 You’d think they’d wear it like an eco-badge of honor. What are they afraid of?

Hey! The damned rubes might figure out that they don't need us!

Posted by: John Patrick Mason at August 01, 2022 11:18 AM (xttsV)

62 I'm in a credit union now and couldn't be happier.

Me too, great little one with excellent customer service, terrific policies, and its local. F these huge super banks.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 01, 2022 11:18 AM (Ivdso)

63 It appears that with our system of government, the USA is uniquely positioned to strike back at the NWO dweebs and men in skirts.

because if you think of that entire program, it's run on a passive-aggressive (feminine) model, not a straightforward, in yo face (masculine) model.

Riley Moore and Ron DeSantis are yang and NWO biatches, every last one of them, are skirt-wearing yins.

Posted by: kallisto at August 01, 2022 11:18 AM (dCxaZ)

64 off sock

Posted by: Chuck C at August 01, 2022 11:19 AM (xttsV)

65 Report: Ray Epps Daughter claims he was used by Feds on J6 to clear up IRS debts

Posted by: Neo at August 01, 2022 11:19 AM (RHGPo)

66 Banks vs. the corporations vs. the state.

You'd think this would be under the scholarship of the federal government to control and maintain equitably. Instead political scholarship is about lobbying, graft, extortion, money laundering and criminal behavior.

The sophisticated, modern 21st century man.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 01, 2022 11:19 AM (0ocXn)

67 The solution is to require business to go back to doing business and stay out of all political and social battles. I think a way to do that it to require that any bank or company that does x amount of business with the state or feds (ore receives x amount of subsidies or tax breaks or whatever) stands in the shoes of the government in terms of non-discrimination laws and additionally cannot refuse to do business with any third party on the basis of any discriminatory reason.
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 01, 2022 11:16 AM (iFTx/)
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I don't disagree. Like I said up there somewhere, the "baby goes with the bathwater" is a serious risk. But to get to that end state where business is business and life is life and they are different spheres, a counterattack is entirely necessary. One side - Woke Capital - has pushed the pendulum way too far in the wrong direction. Anti-woke interests - state or otherwise - have to strike back at some point, or they lose. They might push the pendulum too far in turn - if history is any guide, they will - and then there will be a new counter-attack. That's decades away, though, because there's a lot of ground to regain.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 01, 2022 11:20 AM (WWh8n)

68 Also, in before a certain poster informs us that any successful pushback is not only meaningless, but in fact detrimental to our side.

Posted by: Chuck C at August 01, 2022 11:20 AM (xttsV)

69 I'm in a credit union now and couldn't be happier.
Posted by: Sponge

Me too. If one is eligible - Navy Federal Credit Union can't be beat. Great folks!

And, an American based call center in VA.

Posted by: Tonypete at August 01, 2022 11:20 AM (Msys3)

70
Me too, great little one with excellent customer service, terrific policies, and its local. F these huge super banks.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 01, 2022 11:18 AM (Ivdso)

Even refinanced a few things with them. Low interest with low payments. It's a beautiful thing.

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at August 01, 2022 11:20 AM (Zz0t1)

71 It should be expanded. If financial companies' ideologies put them in continuous opposition to the interests of a state, the state should set off a nuke against them by restricting them from mortgage lending and property investment in that state. It's war now.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

Amen. I would add if the financial companies ideologies are in continuous opposition to the general public good, such as using fossil fuels, a second nuke should be set off against them.

Posted by: Lost In Space at August 01, 2022 11:20 AM (FF+On)

72 Ray Epps Daughter claims he was used by Feds on J6 to clear up IRS debts

That's the way the mob works, they use some debt to pressure you to do what they command. Just ask that restaurant owner who took Paulie in as a partner in Goodfellas.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 01, 2022 11:20 AM (Ivdso)

73 Manchin IS ass cancer.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 01, 2022 11:06 AM

Sir! We protest this slanderous comparison!

Posted by: Malignant hemorrhoids everywhere at August 01, 2022 11:20 AM (4p7Em)

74 57 Klutz Schwab needs to be shot into the Sun.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

You used too many words.

Posted by: quantum mechanic at August 01, 2022 11:21 AM (vcv8B)

75 Joe Mannix,
Good points, but when you get to mega-giants like BlackRock and JP Morgan, the decisions they make can become self-fulfilling. When they pull away their rather large investments from a company, that company's stock will likely fall, not because it is a "failing" enterprise, but because of the actions of the giant investment company.

So yes, BlackRock can claim they abandoned a coal company because it's a bad investment, but it didn't become a bad investment until BlackRock abandoned them.

Posted by: Wally at August 01, 2022 11:21 AM (FJYfm)

76 I sure wish Memaw Ivey here in Alabama would join in with WV. If the southern states would stand with each other like this it would be amazing!

Posted by: Amy Reynolds at August 01, 2022 11:21 AM (K4FOQ)

77 @43: "That is an interesting and important nuance, actually."

Call me skeptical, but I read the nuance to mean:

"A large majority of our employees aren't just worker drones. They're truly passionate about the globalist technocrat agenda. But don't worry! Our management is more pragmatic about the deft political touch necessary to achieve our long term goals."

Posted by: Walter Freeman at August 01, 2022 11:22 AM (bM7vb)

78 Report: Ray Epps Daughter claims he was used by Feds on J6 to clear up IRS debts
Posted by: Neo at August 01, 2022 11:19 AM (RHGPo)

Huh.....treason clears IRS debts? I didn't see that as a payment option the last 10 years.

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at August 01, 2022 11:22 AM (Zz0t1)

79 And, an American based call center in VA.
Posted by: Tonypete at August 01, 2022 11:20 AM (Msys3)

Is that even legal?

I always get Steve from New Delhi when I call my bank's customer service.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at August 01, 2022 11:22 AM (CCf67)

80 I'm in a credit union now and couldn't be happier.
Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at August 01, 2022 11:16 AM (Zz0t1)
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Credit Unions aren't always great, but they often are. I ditched Wells Fargo many years ago because they refused to listen to me and back off of constantly pimping credit at me whenever I went in. I know they want (and need) to sell, but they forgot that it was my money and that I was the customer. I went to a great credit union. I also joined another one that was exactly like the big bank I left.

Walk through the door at the credit union. If it looks and feels like a big chain bank, that will carry over to the business relationship in my experience. Walk right back out.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 01, 2022 11:22 AM (WWh8n)

81 This world needs a James Bond to take out some of these ridiculous lunatic tycoons. Inflate Bill Gates like a balloon, blow up Klaus Schwab's secret lair, etc

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 01, 2022 11:22 AM (Ivdso)

82 Right?

Posted by: Common Tater at August 01, 2022 11:13 AM (yrttK)

My statement was not intended to read, "Don't push back, it's useless."

It was intended to read "Don't celebrate, the enemy never sleeps."

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at August 01, 2022 11:23 AM (/HvPV)

83 Important primaries tomorrow in AZ, MO, and MI.

This could be the biggest America First night of the season. I know a lot of folks poo poo voting and elections now, but if elections are EVER going to matter, then candidates like the ones being elected tomorrow matter a lot.

Lake for Gov and Masters for Sen in AZ look to be assured wins. The Pence/Doucey endorsements backfired and sent the undecideds toward the MAGA candidates. Both have strong double digit leads going into tomorrow.

In MI Trump finally endorsed Tudor Dixon after a dirty trick played out two weeks ago. This is important because beating Witmer is key to 2024. I now think that if Witmer wins this election she will be the Dem nominee in 2024 and will be assured of carrying Michigan. Dixon is best positioned to beat her.

Also look for Gibbs to knock off Mjher. If he does then MAGA GOP will win MI-02. If he doesn't the Dem will win MI-02.

MO I have paid less attention to, though the attacks on Greiten smell like an establishment dirty trick to me.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 01, 2022 11:23 AM (3Xdgq)

84 We switched from Well Fargle to Navy Federal a few years ago. Great credit union.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, A Pox on Your Minkey at August 01, 2022 11:23 AM (x8Wzq)

85 56 I would really, really like to disagree with you. But can't.

Posted by: Erik In Texas at August 01, 2022 11:23 AM (z0DEK)

86 So yes, BlackRock can claim they abandoned a coal company because it's a bad investment, but it didn't become a bad investment until BlackRock abandoned them.
Posted by: Wally at August 01, 2022 11:21 AM (FJYfm)
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Right. This is another facet of the "too big to fail" concept, and it's a different problem. That said, these kind of actions might also reduce enterprise value and that isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 01, 2022 11:24 AM (WWh8n)

87 81 This world needs a James Bond to take out some of these ridiculous lunatic tycoons. Inflate Bill Gates like a balloon, blow up Klaus Schwab's secret lair, etc
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 01, 2022 11:22 AM (Ivdso)

In the really real world, James Bond works with them. And large numbers of ex-00 operatives do security for them.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 01, 2022 11:24 AM (V6f9+)

88 ESG proponents are too stupid to consider the possibility that they may provoke a backlash that will affect them personally.

Posted by: mr tmz at August 01, 2022 11:24 AM (rJ48h)

89 I have used nothing but credit unions since like forever. Electronic banking and that CU have a national network of feeless ATMs makes using them a no brainer anymore.

Posted by: Lost In Space at August 01, 2022 11:24 AM (FF+On)

90 The voters in Michigan have had a superabundance of how awful Whitmer is. If they cannot summon the will to replace her, or if the fraud keeps her in office, there's no fixing that state.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 01, 2022 11:24 AM (Ivdso)

91 65 Report: Ray Epps Daughter claims he was used by Feds on J6 to clear up IRS debts

Posted by: Neo at August 01, 2022 11:19 AM (RHGPo)

LOLOL

I told a buddy yesterday: What the J6 mob really should have done is march to CIA HQ, drag out the leadership, and install them in the Oval Office. Because that's who's really running the show. IC has been running the show ever since they offed JFK.

Just stop with the charade and the pantomime and all this Wizard of Oz bullshit. You won. Just claim your throne already.

Posted by: kallisto at August 01, 2022 11:24 AM (dCxaZ)

92 So Schwab wants to launch Stacy Abrams into orbit?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 01, 2022 11:24 AM (J28lB)

93 Important primaries tomorrow in AZ, MO, and MI.

This could be the biggest America First night of the season. I know a lot of folks poo poo voting and elections now, but if elections are EVER going to matter, then candidates like the ones being elected tomorrow matter a lot.
...
Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 01, 2022 11:23 AM (3Xdgq)

I still plan on voting, but not as a Republican and not with much expectation of my vote being counted.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 01, 2022 11:25 AM (V6f9+)

94 This is how incomprehensibly ridiculous the GOP is, they are attacking the WH for not supporting Nancy Pelosi's trip to Taiwan.

The fact that the US is a vassal of the CCP in no small part because of the corruption of the Biden's/Pelosi's and Romeny's of the political class is lost on them.

There was a point to be made about Nanci's trip but this was not one of them.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 01, 2022 11:26 AM (XEDUw)

95 If you get a chance, watch Tucker's interview with YouTuber JP. JP is much wiser than I ever would have imagined he'd be.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 01, 2022 11:26 AM (Y5qcH)

96 Government Totalitarianism + an alliance with Corporations = Fascism

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at August 01, 2022 11:10 AM (zb2LI)

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What's happening now is that the federal & various state governments (as well as foreign governments; see Sri Lanka, the Netherlands, Australia, and Canada for example) have now become wholly owned subsidiaries -- and are subsequently being directed by -- Blackrock, State Street, Vanguard, Big Tech, Big Banks, Big Energy, Big Auto, Big Pharma, Big Medical, the CCP, and all the rest of the WEF #Woke GloboHomo Satanic Pedophilic Oligarchic Commie Death Cult ... instead of the other way around.

Kind of a reverse fascism.

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, it gets worse here every day at August 01, 2022 11:26 AM (9cZbj)

97 She didn't even want to sign up for Chase. She used to be in this great little bank called Washington Mutual that folded when the housing crisis hit and was swallowed up by Chase, so all the accounts were carried over.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 01, 2022 11:13 AM (Ivdso)

My parents banked at Washington Mutual for years too. Super helpful and friendly, small town feeling bank. Absolutely nothing was the same after they got eaten up by chase.

Posted by: LASue at August 01, 2022 11:27 AM (Ed8Zd)

98 ESG proponents are too stupid to consider the possibility that they may provoke a backlash that will affect them personally.
Posted by: mr tmz at August 01, 2022 11:24 AM (rJ48h)
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In a way, I even understand that assumption. The people flogging this are largely young or middle aged and ideologically pure (or cowed by internal division caused by the ideologically pure). They have never seen push-back, they have never considered that they might be wrong, they have been shielded from disagreement their entire lives from school through corporate.

I have no sympathy for them, but I can understand how someone could believe that there is no possibility of bad outcomes.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 01, 2022 11:27 AM (WWh8n)

99 At the state level the gop can be very useful. Then these same people get elected to federal positions and go hard left.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 01, 2022 11:27 AM (6RQrE)

100 The voters in Michigan have had a superabundance of how awful Whitmer is. If they cannot summon the will to replace her, or if the fraud keeps her in office, there's no fixing that state.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 01, 2022 11:24 AM (Ivdso)

You know what you should do with that Whitmer? You should kidnap her. Now, who's with me? Just shout out your name into this thing here on my lapel that is totally NOT a microphone.

Posted by: Ray Epps at August 01, 2022 11:27 AM (FJYfm)

101 Christopher R Taylor, do you know a town called Maupin?

Posted by: LASue at August 01, 2022 11:28 AM (Ed8Zd)

102 Just stop with the charade and the pantomime and all this Wizard of Oz bullshit. You won. Just claim your throne already. Posted by: kallisto

Plus, the IC taking over the media via Operation Mockingbird.

Posted by: Lost In Space at August 01, 2022 11:28 AM (FF+On)

103 MO I have paid less attention to, though the attacks on Greiten smell like an establishment dirty trick to me.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 01, 2022 11:23 AM (3Xdgq)

I agree, Mr. Dave in FL.

I fully admit to my cynicism, but they knives have been out for this guy since he was elected Gov. I see conflicting reports as to why. It just smells funny.

Posted by: Inogame, non alius regit at August 01, 2022 11:28 AM (53oGX)

104 At the state level the gop can be very useful. Then these same people get elected to federal positions and go hard left.
Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 01, 2022 11:27 AM (6RQrE)
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I don't really care about the national Party anymore. Specific individuals might be okay, but they'll make themselves known. Depending on where you live, though, state or local elections might still be extremely important. If you live in CA or CO, those don't matter but locality counts.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 01, 2022 11:28 AM (WWh8n)

105
You know what you should do with that Whitmer? You should kidnap her. Now, who's with me? Just shout out your name into this thing here on my lapel that is totally NOT a microphone.
Posted by: Ray Epps at August 01, 2022 11:27 AM (FJYfm)

"I've got fifty g's that says you won't shoot up that school over here. In fact, I'll give you the money UP FRONT."

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at August 01, 2022 11:28 AM (Zz0t1)

106 Ironically, the ESG fools have pushed energy company profits higher than they ever have been.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 01, 2022 11:29 AM (Y5qcH)

107 Kind of a reverse fascism.
Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, it gets worse here every day at August 01, 2022 11:26 AM (9cZbj)

The only difference between fascism and syndicalism is perspective.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 01, 2022 11:29 AM (/EuRN)

108 There is real risk that the baby gets thrown out with the bathwater when it comes to actions like this, because it could end up punishing people merely making business decisions rather than using those who are using the business to enforce ideological conformity.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 01, 2022 11:14 AM (WWh8n)
______________________________________

I think it's more complicated than that. I think most if not all of these decisions ARE in fact motivated by business decisions. Corrupted business decisions maybe, but business decisions nonetheless. In the case of Blackrock, I can guarantee you that they and their investors are deep deep deep into every "clean energy" and EV scam out there. Part of the reason none of this ever goes away is that big Democrat donors are neck deep into this industry. They stand to make stupid money from pushing clean energy and, correspondingly, by punishing traditional oil and gas.

Posted by: Elric Blade at August 01, 2022 11:29 AM (iFTx/)

109
Hawaii Gets Its Last Shipment of Coal, Ever
The state's last coal-fired power plant will close down in September.

“We still have a few curves in the road to negotiate because the short-term challenge here is that as we close this coal plant in September, we don’t have as many renewable projects coming online immediately,” Sandra Larsen, the Market Business Leader for AES in Hawaii, told Hawaii Public Radio. “And so the reality is that residents here on Oʻahu are going to see higher costs in the short term.”

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 01, 2022 11:29 AM (63Dwl)

110 How BlackRock Lost $1.7 Trillion in Six Months - Bloomberg
https://www.bloomberg.com > opinion > articles > 2022-07...
Jul 20, 2022

ESG crap?

Posted by: Braenyard at August 01, 2022 11:29 AM (pgzfR)

111 Just in time for inflation and recession, the Democrats are pushing a bill to raise taxes on people earning 30k or more.

Yeah. 30k a year now days is poor. Great thinking you tools.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 01, 2022 11:29 AM (Ivdso)

112 110 How BlackRock Lost $1.7 Trillion in Six Months - Bloomberg
https://www.bloomberg.com > opinion > articles > 2022-07...
Jul 20, 2022

ESG crap?
Posted by: Braenyard at August 01, 2022 11:29 AM (pgzfR)

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Bad luck.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 01, 2022 11:30 AM (LvTSG)

113 “And so the reality is that residents here on Oʻahu are going to see higher costs in the short term.”
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 01, 2022 11:29 AM (63Dwl)

Shorter: BOHICA!

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at August 01, 2022 11:30 AM (Zz0t1)

114 Mannix,

Local elections are the most important. That is the stuff that affects your daily life. The education your kids get, what can and can’t be built next door via zoning laws, how traffic is managed, etc. and yet turnout is like 15% for those elections. It’s so backwards how Americans view things.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 01, 2022 11:31 AM (6RQrE)

115 Governor DeWeathervane: Time to get Ohio off the sidelines and into this game. Pretty sure a bill could get through both houses in Ohio.

Posted by: Rowsdower Believes Epps Is A Fed at August 01, 2022 11:31 AM (+Yto7)

116
Guess what?

New "Rule," everyone!

Filipinos are now to be called filipinx. I shit you not.

Why do they do this? Why does the Left keep fucking with Normal? The answer to that question is the same as the answer to this question: Why do dogs lick their balls?

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at August 01, 2022 11:31 AM (zb2LI)

117 And so the reality is that residents here on Oʻahu are going to see higher costs in the short term.

And rolling blackouts.

Christopher R Taylor, do you know a town called Maupin?

Not familiar to me.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 01, 2022 11:31 AM (Ivdso)

118 They're gonna go full mask-nazi again, but no one's gonna be able to afford the damn things.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 01, 2022 11:31 AM (/EuRN)

119 ... They stand to make stupid money from pushing clean energy and, correspondingly, by punishing traditional oil and gas.
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 01, 2022 11:29 AM (iFTx/)
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Right, and that's a problem of "too big to fail" and its analogues. They are large enough to move the market on their own, plus they're syndicated with other big firms with market-mover potential (like Vanguard, for example). It might be a business decision to starve one sector while investing in another, but it's still corrupt cartel behavior and the FTC has reasonable cause to launch investigations over it and mete out punishments as appropriate.

The megafirms - banks and tech especially though not exclusively - took the prudent step of buying the FTC.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 01, 2022 11:31 AM (WWh8n)

120 I thought Hawaii was powered by poi anyway.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 01, 2022 11:31 AM (J28lB)

121 @112

>>Bad luck.

I'm good but "losing" 1.7T? That's a masterpiece.

--
John "I straight jacked a billion dollars and did no time" Corzine.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 01, 2022 11:32 AM (XEDUw)

122
111 Just in time for inflation and recession, the Democrats are pushing a bill to raise taxes on people earning 30k or more.

Yeah. 30k a year now days is poor. Great thinking you tools.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 01, 2022 11:2

Someone making $30k pays zero income tax so raising it from $0 to more than $0 is not something I have a problem with.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 01, 2022 11:32 AM (6RQrE)

123 And island that's expensive as shit to live on is about to get exponentially more expensive.

What a grand plan.

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at August 01, 2022 11:32 AM (Zz0t1)

124 "And so the reality is that residents here on O'ahu are going to see higher costs in the short term."
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr

Right. Try again: permanently higher costs. Much higher. Plus blackouts.

Posted by: Lost In Space at August 01, 2022 11:32 AM (FF+On)

125 You'll work until your death for your slave masters. And what little is left will be split between the disadvantaged social leeches in hovels and your children, who have been co-opted into think sodomy and genital mutilation is stunning and brave.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at August 01, 2022 11:17 AM (/HvPV)

And a good morning to you too!

Heh, just kidding. That's a finely worded screed there, couldn't have said it better myself.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2022 11:32 AM (NWBBy)

126
WTF is "thermal coal"?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at August 01, 2022 11:32 AM (ZvxPV)

127
Plus, the IC taking over the media via Operation Mockingbird.

Posted by: Lost In Space at August 01, 2022 11:28 AM (FF+On)

Oh, that's the keystone of the entire decades-long op.

Dan Rather has been an asset since the beginning of his career. Right after JFK was shot, no one had access to the Zapruder film. Major media outlets were bidding for it. Dan Rather somehow was in on the bidding, and saw the film.

He rushed out of the room to file a news report:

"I've seen the film, and Kennedy's head lurched violently forward!"

Posted by: kallisto at August 01, 2022 11:32 AM (dCxaZ)

128 “And so the reality is that residents here on Oʻahu are going to see higher costs in the short term.”
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 01, 2022 11:29 AM (63Dwl)

And in the long term, too, but also the short term.

Posted by: Zombie Mitch Hedberg at August 01, 2022 11:32 AM (FJYfm)

129 Riley Moore was a great James Bond.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 01, 2022 11:32 AM (uia9V)

130 120 I thought Hawaii was powered by poi anyway.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 01, 2022 11:31 AM

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No. it's fueled by Pakalolo

Posted by: portlandon at August 01, 2022 11:33 AM (+oR7L)

131 Hawaii Gets Its Last Shipment of Coal, Ever
The state's last coal-fired power plant will close down in September.

“We still have a few curves in the road to negotiate because the short-term challenge here is that as we close this coal plant in September, we don’t have as many renewable projects coming online immediately,” Sandra Larsen, the Market Business Leader for AES in Hawaii, told Hawaii Public Radio. “And so the reality is that residents here on Oʻahu are going to see higher costs in the short term.”
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 01, 2022 11:29 AM

Trying and failing to muster any sympathy for Hawaiians, who have been voting for this crap forever.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 01, 2022 11:33 AM (4p7Em)

132 WTF is "thermal coal"?
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at August 01, 2022 11:32 AM (ZvxPV)
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I *think* that means coal grades that are used in thermal power generation - power-plant coal, but I am not sure.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 01, 2022 11:33 AM (WWh8n)

133 Someone making $30k pays zero income tax so raising it from $0 to more than $0 is not something I have a problem with.

https://tinyurl.com/2wb9ydy4

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 01, 2022 11:33 AM (Ivdso)

134 Local elections are the most important. That is the stuff that affects your daily life. The education your kids get, what can and can’t be built next door via zoning laws, how traffic is managed, etc. and yet turnout is like 15% for those elections. It’s so backwards how Americans view things.
Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 01, 2022 11:31 AM (6RQrE)

Well in my house, we vote every election. And then whatever the city council doesn't like they say we're stupid and don't know what's good for us, and do what they want anyway.

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 01, 2022 11:33 AM (DRSnL)

135 So Schwab wants to launch Stacy Abrams into orbit?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 01, 2022 11:24 AM (J28lB)

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Which, per Newton's Third Law of Motion, would launch the Earth out of orbit.

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, it gets worse here every day at August 01, 2022 11:33 AM (WgGsS)

136 Good....More please.

Sick of hearing about "Green" this and "Green" that.

Just make and sell me a widget and shut your pie holes about saving the planet.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 01, 2022 11:34 AM (7Ovsk)

137 @96: "Kind of a reverse fascism."

Nothing reverse about this situation. Fascist governments might be the senior partner within a single nation, but once you go multinational, then corporations become more important as they can more easily assert influence and dominance across borders. It's fundamentally the same dynamic though.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at August 01, 2022 11:34 AM (bM7vb)

138 He rushed out of the room to file a news report:

"I've seen the film, and Kennedy's head lurched violently forward!"
Posted by: kallisto at August 01, 2022 11:32 AM (dCxaZ)

And that's why she climbed onto the trunk of the car, scraping up the pieces and putting them back in his head.

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at August 01, 2022 11:34 AM (Zz0t1)

139 Big-Time Finance and pushing back is the thread topic and in that regard I have done my part today. So far, I have called Joe Namath, JJ Walker, and Captain Kirk. Are there any other formerly famous people from 50 years ago who need to check my zip code?

Posted by: Fish 'n' Cheeps Are Across the Street at August 01, 2022 11:34 AM (PIlQh)

140 I think Hawaii already has the highest electric costs of any state. Lol. Keep voting D Hawaii!!!

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 01, 2022 11:34 AM (6RQrE)

141 John "I straight jacked a billion dollars and did no time" Corzine.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 01, 2022 11:32 AM (XEDUw)
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John "I straight jacked a billion dollars and fouled up the commodities markets and blew up hedges for tremendous numbers of agricultural concerns at the same time and still did no time" Corzine.

My brother calls him The Jersey Devil. Seems apt to me.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 01, 2022 11:34 AM (WWh8n)

142
Sick of hearing about "Green" this and "Green" that.

Just make and sell me a widget and shut your pie holes about saving the planet.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 01, 2022 11:34 AM (7Ovsk)

but ORGANIC!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at August 01, 2022 11:34 AM (Zz0t1)

143 And in the long term, too, but also the short term.
Posted by: Zombie Mitch Hedberg

Party like its 1849. Or 1249 eventually.

Posted by: Lost In Space at August 01, 2022 11:34 AM (FF+On)

144 140 I think Hawaii already has the highest electric costs of any state. Lol. Keep voting D Hawaii!!!
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They need moar windwills.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 01, 2022 11:35 AM (uia9V)

145 About a quarter of the workforce is now employed by government - municipal through federal.

It's ranked as 3rd best retirement state in the country, only behind Florida and Texas.

Posted by: Lola at August 01, 2022 11:35 AM (NIYa7)

146 Sick of hearing about "Green" this and "Green" that.

Just make and sell me a widget and shut your pie holes about saving the planet.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 01, 2022 11:34 AM (7Ovsk)
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I have learned that "green" or "eco" or "climate change" means they have a subpar product or are committing widescale fraud.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 01, 2022 11:35 AM (WWh8n)

147 WTF is "thermal coal"?

Coal wearing thermal underwear.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 01, 2022 11:35 AM (6RQrE)

148 And that's why she climbed onto the trunk of the car, scraping up the pieces and putting them back in his head.

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at August 01, 2022 11:34 AM (Zz0t1)

We've all been participants in an elaborate charade, our entire lives.

Posted by: kallisto at August 01, 2022 11:36 AM (dCxaZ)

149 Just in time for inflation and recession, the Democrats are pushing a bill to raise taxes on people earning 30k or more.

Yeah. 30k a year now days is poor. Great thinking you tools.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 01, 2022 11:29 AM (Ivdso)

I'm shocked they're pushing raising their taxes and not proclaiming it's on the rich to pay their fare share, but then structure it so the poor get hit too.

even money they raise their taxes, then give them double credits 2 months later...

Posted by: SturmToddler (po3vF) at August 01, 2022 11:36 AM (WhsXQ)

150 I *think* that means coal grades that are used in thermal power generation - power-plant coal, but I am not sure.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 01, 2022 11:33 AM (WWh8n)

Yes, the other grade is metallurgical. Which is used to process metals and other things, like silicon that is used in solar panels.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 01, 2022 11:36 AM (UuD2k)

151 96 What's happening now is that the federal & various state governments (as well as foreign governments; see Sri Lanka, the Netherlands, Australia, and Canada for example) have now become wholly owned subsidiaries -- and are subsequently being directed by -- Blackrock, State Street, Vanguard, Big Tech, Big Banks, Big Energy, Big Auto, Big Pharma, Big Medical, the CCP, and all the rest of the WEF #Woke GloboHomo Satanic Pedophilic Oligarchic Commie Death Cult ... instead of the other way around.

Kind of a reverse fascism.
Posted by: ShainS

"The World is a Corporation"

https://youtu.be/35DSdw7dHjs

Posted by: Puddleglum at August 01, 2022 11:36 AM (sAmhv)

152 @141

>>My brother calls him The Jersey Devil. Seems apt to me.

But they did nail that nobody NY GOP Congressman for "insider" trading that netted he and his brother a cool 15k.

So, it's like even or something.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 01, 2022 11:36 AM (XEDUw)

153 140 I think Hawaii already has the highest electric costs of any state. Lol. Keep voting D Hawaii!!!
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HI is pretty much a big welfare state with very nice weather and beaches. Basically, Cuba with a real currency.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 01, 2022 11:36 AM (uia9V)

154 “And so the reality is that residents here on Oʻahu are going to see higher costs in the short term.”
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 01, 2022 11:29 AM (63Dwl)

And in the long term, too, but also the short term.
Posted by: Zombie Mitch Hedberg at August 01, 2022 11:32 AM (FJYfm)

And in every possible term. Also known as "forever."

Posted by: LASue at August 01, 2022 11:37 AM (Ed8Zd)

155 And, in case anyone forgot.....

https://youtu.be/L3tnH4FGbd0

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at August 01, 2022 11:38 AM (Zz0t1)

156 BlackRock [conspiring with Vanguard] voted in three activist board members for the oil company Exxon,

resulting in the company significantly pulling back on its oil production over the next five years.

The resulting decrease in the supply of oil is expected to contribute to rising gas prices.

https://bit.ly/3p3V53f

Posted by: Braenyard at August 01, 2022 11:38 AM (pgzfR)

157 They need moar windwills.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 01, 2022 11:35 AM (uia9V)

Tidal stream turbines.

That will surely solve it.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at August 01, 2022 11:38 AM (/HvPV)

158 HI is pretty much a big welfare state with very nice weather and beaches. Basically, Cuba with a real currency.

"Hey, why work when you can get everything for free, haole?"
--Kaimana Honopolonoane

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 01, 2022 11:38 AM (Ivdso)

159 *Guess what?
New "Rule," everyone!
Filipinos are now to be called filipinx. I shit you not.*

The new sheriff is a Negrex.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at August 01, 2022 11:38 AM (rD0QW)

160 MO I have paid less attention to, though the attacks on Greiten smell like an establishment dirty trick to me.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 01, 2022 11:23 AM (3Xdgq)

Greitens was a very questionable candidate when he ran for Gov in the last decade. Then when he won, he managed to start doing a lot of the right things... before his little trouble with tying up his girlfriend (and not his wife), and having it recorded.

He's almost a do-over of the Rapin' Akin race, in that you can vote for him, and he'd be fine in the role, but you risk turning over a certain seat to Dems, when the race is decided on something that has nothing to do with where he stands on policies.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2022 11:38 AM (NWBBy)

161 @149: "I'm shocked they're pushing raising their taxes ..."

Remember, Manchin's deal is pushing the bill that nudges the lower brackets slightly upward, and I can't help but wonder if he's deliberately doing so as the price of his agreement. Seems like a "read my lips" moment, and he wants to watch Biden and company squirm a little bit.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at August 01, 2022 11:38 AM (bM7vb)

162 Thanks Christopher R. Taylor.
Great post, Buck.

Posted by: LASue at August 01, 2022 11:39 AM (Ed8Zd)

163 Still pewloshie walks the erf seeking whom she may devour.

Posted by: Eromero at August 01, 2022 11:39 AM (0OP+5)

164 Filipinos are now to be called filipinx. I shit you not.*

The new sheriff is a Negrex.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at August 01, 2022 11:38 AM (rD0QW)

Notice how they never apply this silly formula to China....

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 01, 2022 11:39 AM (/EuRN)

165 @153

>>Cuba with a real currency.

I think they barter and parlay in cans of Spam on the islands.

How much Spam does it take to by a wind turbine?

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 01, 2022 11:39 AM (XEDUw)

166 You're average mid-sized city has revenue that rivals the largest corporations.

Disney still has not recanted their support of deviants over normals.

We have the power to fight back.
Is it any wonder that the left and their mega-corp whores shout in unison the propaganda of their universal power? That we would be fools to fight them?

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 01, 2022 11:39 AM (6puGs)

167
The new sheriff is a Negrex.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at August 01, 2022 11:38 AM (rD0QW)

"So it is with this....Laurel and hardy handshake I welcome our new...."

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at August 01, 2022 11:39 AM (Zz0t1)

168 Refi house last year. Moved loan from Chase.

WaMu was First Interstate back in the Day

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at August 01, 2022 11:39 AM (Jvwhn)

169
Fake News CNN decided it would be a good idea to go to Wyoming and ask voters about lizard cheney:

https://youtu.be/XJRfYahrbRI?t=4

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at August 01, 2022 11:39 AM (zb2LI)

170 They need moar windwills.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 01, 2022 11:35 AM

We had a hundred+ foot blade fall off of one of those things in Gloucester the other day.

Whoopsie!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 01, 2022 11:40 AM (4p7Em)

171
Notice how they never apply this silly formula to China....
Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 01, 2022 11:39 AM (/EuRN)

Because calling them Chinx is a bad thing.

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at August 01, 2022 11:40 AM (Zz0t1)

172 Hawaii is lazy as fuck and proud of it. Some shit about Hawaii time and whatnot, ie we’ll get to it whenever. Which in a way is kinda cool I guess if yiu are not the person needing the service.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 01, 2022 11:41 AM (6RQrE)

173 WTF is "thermal coal"?
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at August 01, 2022 11:32 AM (ZvxPV)
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I *think* that means coal grades that are used in thermal power generation - power-plant coal, but I am not sure.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 01, 2022 11:33 AM (WWh8n)

yup. the other common type is metallurgical - used in the processing of steel and such. Thermal is more common than metallurgical, but both are big in WV.

Posted by: SturmToddler (po3vF) at August 01, 2022 11:41 AM (WhsXQ)

174 169
Fake News CNN decided it would be a good idea to go to Wyoming and ask voters about lizard cheney:

https://youtu.be/XJRfYahrbRI?t=4

Leaving the Bubble can be an eye opener. Heh!

Posted by: Puddleglum at August 01, 2022 11:41 AM (sAmhv)

175 Were these banks lying then or are they lying now?

Posted by: BignJames at August 01, 2022 11:42 AM (AwYPR)

176
Speaking of which, Lt Uhura was a "charming negress," according the Abe Lincoln.

https://youtu.be/2BBOWsWODX4?t=6

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at August 01, 2022 11:42 AM (zb2LI)

177 Were these banks lying then or are they lying now?
Posted by: BignJames at August 01, 2022 11:42 AM (AwYPR)

Yes.

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at August 01, 2022 11:42 AM (Zz0t1)

178 *How much Spam does it take to buy a wind turbine?*

20 cans, same as in town.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at August 01, 2022 11:42 AM (rD0QW)

179 Any time a big corporation uses the words "free market" or "free trade" they use it the way a whore uses the word "love."

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 01, 2022 11:42 AM (6puGs)

180 Cyril Wecht is still alive and doing some consulting.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 01, 2022 11:42 AM (89T5c)

181 "That's the way the mob works, they use some debt to pressure you to do what they command. Just ask that restaurant owner who took Paulie in as a partner in Goodfellas."

A buddy of mine was an approximate 2% partner in ownership of an office building in these parts when there was a big downturn in the market. He was threatened with being pushed into personal bankruptcy by the lender because he actually had a working income and some other assets. He was forced to do real estate consulting work for the lender for free to avoid this downfall

In the meantime, the managing partner, who had about a 90% interest, coasted. He simply told the banks, "Hey, I got nothing but a bunch of real estate projects that are underwater right now. Push me around and you start a chain reaction and you'll get nothing. Reduce my interest rates, let me skate on some payments and cut me whatever slack I need, and it'll all be Jake eventually."

You gotta love the system.

Posted by: RM at August 01, 2022 11:43 AM (U3LtS)

182 and so it begins

Posted by: that guy that always thinks it's beginning at August 01, 2022 11:43 AM (i5lJm)

183 Were these banks lying then or are they lying now?
Posted by: BignJames at August 01, 2022 11:42 AM (AwYPR)
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If you don't ask unpleasant questions, there will be no unpleasantness. Stop being a wrecker.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 01, 2022 11:43 AM (WWh8n)

184 172 Hawaii is lazy as fuck and proud of it. Some shit about Hawaii time and whatnot, ie we’ll get to it whenever. Which in a way is kinda cool I guess if yiu are not the person needing the service.
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Yep, except for the Japs. They own the place now. The funniest thing while I was there was meeting Californians who thought California was too hectic and draining of their energies. Then I worked in Cal and discovered that working three days out of five was hectic.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 01, 2022 11:43 AM (uia9V)

185 Because calling them Chinx is a bad thing.
Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at August 01, 2022 11:40 AM (Zz0t1)

HAHAHA

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 01, 2022 11:43 AM (DRSnL)

186 @164: "Notice how they never apply this silly formula to China...."

Funny, but also notice that "Filipinx" will never hit critical mass 'cause that side is too busy clustering all Asians together in a single group so their stats won't undermine the "institutional white supremacy controls everything" narrative.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at August 01, 2022 11:43 AM (bM7vb)

187 Banks. They don't care because they don't have to.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at August 01, 2022 11:44 AM (rD0QW)

188
Report: Ray Epps Daughter claims he was used by Feds on J6 to clear up IRS debts

IOW, he whored himself out.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at August 01, 2022 11:44 AM (ZvxPV)

189 "Notice how they never apply this silly formula to China...."

Funny, but also notice that "Filipinx" will never hit critical mass 'cause that side is too busy clustering all Asians together in a single group so their stats won't undermine the "institutional white supremacy controls everything" narrative.
Posted by: Walter Freeman at August 01, 2022 11:43 AM (bM7vb)

Also Asians are now 'white' and can be safely hated.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 01, 2022 11:44 AM (V6f9+)

190
IOW, he whored himself out.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at August 01, 2022 11:44 AM (ZvxPV)

So he wouldn't wind up like the people he framed that day and are rotting in prison.

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at August 01, 2022 11:45 AM (Zz0t1)

191 Were these banks lying then or are they lying now?
Posted by: BignJames at August 01, 2022 11:42 AM (AwYPR)

If you don't ask unpleasant questions, there will be no unpleasantness. Stop being a wrecker.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 01, 2022 11:43 AM (WWh8n)

Here's an uncomfortable question, where does IMF factor into all this?

Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2022 11:45 AM (NWBBy)

192 This busty black lady in a blue dress likes seeing some push-back against Woke Capital:
https://is.gd/8mnTGO

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 01, 2022 11:45 AM (WWh8n)

193 He steals from the rich
And gives to the poor
Mr. Moore, Mr. Moore, Mr. Moore
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 01, 2022 11:11 AM (63Dwl)

They should know better than to carry around a large cache of Lupins.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at August 01, 2022 11:45 AM (zhLdt)

194
Also Asians are now 'white' and can be safely hated.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 01, 2022 11:44 AM (V6f9+)

*fistbump*

Posted by: Harvard University at August 01, 2022 11:45 AM (Zz0t1)

195 Given that people from the Philippines call themselves Pinoy or Pinay, this whole "filipinx" thing has to baffle them even more than us.

"fill-a-pinks? What the @#(@& is that, some kinda new drug?"

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 01, 2022 11:46 AM (Ivdso)

196 Edith, if youse can't get my clothes clean, just take 'em to the Chink laundry dere.

Posted by: Archie Bunker at August 01, 2022 11:46 AM (rD0QW)

197 This busty black lady in a blue dress likes seeing some push-back against Woke Capital:
https://is.gd/8mnTGO
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 01, 2022 11:45 AM (WWh8n)

Dem nips appear pierced.

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at August 01, 2022 11:46 AM (Zz0t1)

198 A Texas law that bans its municipalities from doing business with banks that have ESG policies against fossil fuels and firearms is driving down competition for borrowing and costing taxpayers millions in extra interest, according to a new study from Wharton.

https://whr.tn/3zgyuos

FU, Wharton. ha ha, ha ha ha, hahahahahahahah

Posted by: Braenyard at August 01, 2022 11:46 AM (pgzfR)

199 A buddy of mine was an approximate 2% partner in ownership of an office building in these parts when there was a big downturn in the market. He was threatened with being pushed into personal bankruptcy by the lender because he actually had a working income and some other assets. He was forced to do real estate consulting work for the lender for free to avoid this downfall

In the meantime, the managing partner, who had about a 90% interest, coasted. He simply told the banks, "Hey, I got nothing but a bunch of real estate projects that are underwater right now. Push me around and you start a chain reaction and you'll get nothing. Reduce my interest rates, let me skate on some payments and cut me whatever slack I need, and it'll all be Jake eventually."

You gotta love the system.
Posted by: RM at August 01, 2022 11:43 AM (U3LtS)

The guy wasn't a limited partner? Taking on full liability for something you're not tightly involved with isn't a great idea.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 01, 2022 11:47 AM (b2nrj)

200 119 ... They stand to make stupid money from pushing clean energy and, correspondingly, by punishing traditional oil and gas.
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 01, 2022 11:29 AM (iFTx/)
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Right, and that's a problem of "too big to fail" and its analogues. They are large enough to move the market on their own . . . . it's still corrupt cartel behavior and the FTC has reasonable cause to launch investigations over it and mete out punishments as appropriate.

The megafirms - banks and tech especially though not exclusively - took the prudent step of buying the FTC.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 01, 2022 11:31 AM (WWh8n)
______________________________

I agree, but the FTC has been bought for decades. It goes way further back than the recent round of "too big to fail." Even when I was a baby lawyer 25 years ago working on FTC cases, it was obvious that 90% of the staffers at the FTC were more interested in currying favor with -- and eventually getting jobs at -- the banks and companies they supposedly regulated, than in doing any actual regulating.

Posted by: Elric Blade at August 01, 2022 11:47 AM (iFTx/)

201 Report: Ray Epps Daughter claims he was used by Feds on J6 to clear up IRS debts
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IOW, he whored himself out.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at August 01, 2022 11:44 AM (ZvxPV)

Didn't we have a "report" the other day about Epps having something to do with Nanzi Pelousy?

I'd be careful about believing any "reports" that come out about the guy. If he is who people suspect he is, disinformation/misinformation is part of their repertoire.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2022 11:47 AM (NWBBy)

202 It strikes me again how little effort it takes to foil the plans of the left. Whether it's Trump, DeSantis, Moore or others, even just a random Twitter account. A Republican Party which, for 30 years now, kept losing issue after issue to the Democrats was either stunningly incompitent or wanted to lose.

And, yes, I am prepared to embrace the power of "and."

Posted by: 29Victor at August 01, 2022 11:47 AM (BJKQV)

203 The new sheriff is a Negrex.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at August 01, 2022 11:38 AM (rD0QW)

The Sheriff Is Near!

Posted by: Gabby Johnson at August 01, 2022 11:48 AM (7Ovsk)

204 153 140 I think Hawaii already has the highest electric costs of any state. Lol. Keep voting D Hawaii!!!
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HI is pretty much a big welfare state with very nice weather and beaches. Basically, Cuba with a real currency.
Posted by: Puddinhead at August 01, 2022 11:36 AM (uia9V)

I have a client that years ago pulled up roots and moved to Kauai. Last year he sold the Hawaii place and moved back to Vermont. He did mention to me that it was not a place you wanted to live in unless you were a native. Things must be pretty bad when you would trade Hawaii for Vermont.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at August 01, 2022 11:48 AM (dOCyf)

205 Should we ever get in power, this needs to happen at the federal level. Instead of being banned from doing business with WV, let them be banned from doing business with the US.
It would be worth the disruption to help these bastards understand that they are NOT going to use the huge coercive power of capital to force their beliefs on America.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 01, 2022 11:48 AM (2OL6m)

206 As a former Mountaineer here's the most common definition of "Thermal Coal"

Thermal coal, also known as 'steaming coal' or just 'coal', is widely used as the principle means of generating electricity in much of the world.

"Coking coal" is used in metallurgical industries.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 01, 2022 11:49 AM (BFigT)

207 Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 01, 2022 11:45 AM (WWh8n)

Dem nips appear pierced.
Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at August 01, 2022 11:46 AM (Zz0t1)

Yup. Definitely wearing Andrew Cuomos.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2022 11:49 AM (NWBBy)

208 "BlackRock can claim they abandoned a coal company because it's a bad investment, but it didn't become a bad investment until BlackRock abandoned them."
Posted by: Wally

yeah, that was shown with that gaming stock, where they shorted to drive it down, then the "gamers" bought.

So as an individual, if people want to own a company (even if it is less profitable), they should not be under assault by "corporate raider" types that see a chance carve up a company and put it through their chop shop.

Of course that is the advantage of "privately held", but there is so much "middle America" working class money that pours into the stock market, that makes "going public" an attractive route.

But now it is indeed the oligarchs that have gotten mega rich, bought our government, sold us out. And being "in the market" has made many in the middle rich as well, but we bought China and the oligarchs the rope with which they are indeed hanging us.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 01, 2022 11:49 AM (Cus5s)

209 Report: Ray Epps Daughter claims he was used by Feds on J6 to clear up IRS debts
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IOW, he whored himself out.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at August 01, 2022 11:44 AM (ZvxPV)

Careful, the left is intentionally putting out disinfo about Epps to discredit anyone suspicious of him.

Posted by: 29Victor at August 01, 2022 11:49 AM (BJKQV)

210 It can be lunch time if I can get there

Posted by: Skip's phone at August 01, 2022 11:49 AM (iIb9+)

211 This busty black lady in a blue dress likes seeing some push-back against Woke Capital:
https://is.gd/8mnTGO
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 01, 2022 11:45 AM (WWh8n)

I'm going guess she's a handful in the sack. A freak, if you will.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 01, 2022 11:50 AM (V6f9+)

212 I don't get many proxy voting opportunities, but when I do, I check to see if the corporate board has an ESG committee and which board members are on it. It could be that some of these board members may be trying to limit the excesses of ESG, but, since the company is so proud of their ESG efforts in their disclosures, I err on the side of caution and vote against all the ESG committee members.

Doesn't accomplish anything, but I like doing it anyway.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 01, 2022 11:50 AM (fs1hN)

213 You gotta love the system

You know the old saying: if you owe the bank a million dollars, that's your problem; if you owe the bank a hundred million dollars, that's the bank's problem.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at August 01, 2022 11:50 AM (KFhLj)

214 Great topic and post, Buck. Lots of great comments too.

Joe M., puzzled by one thing. How could "anti-Woke" push back "too far" against politicizing what until recently were usually normal, mostly purely business decisions?

We're seeing - and already appreciated the horror of - the consequences of formerly serious businesses just becoming de facto arms of the mega-state in pushing its irrational and ruinous ideological/non-practical non-business ("externality") agendas.

But wouldn't the "opposite" - i.e. pretty much normal life up until the last 15-20 years - be just fine?

Posted by: rhomboid at August 01, 2022 11:50 AM (OTzUX)

215 111 Just in time for inflation and recession, the Democrats are pushing a bill to raise taxes on people earning 30k or more.

Yeah. 30k a year now days is poor. Great thinking you tools.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 01, 2022 11:29 AM (Ivdso)

You can't even stay ahead of rent and car insurance on 30K (before taxes) as a single income.

Posted by: Allie at August 01, 2022 11:50 AM (UnA8+)

216 @189: "Also Asians are now 'white' and can be safely hated."

In some contexts like Ivy League admissions, yes, but only when there's no way to massage numbers so they fall below whites.

Otherwise, categorizing everyone from Pakistan to Indonesia and Kamchatka as one singular "Asian" community helps when progressives are begging for their votes in other contexts.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at August 01, 2022 11:50 AM (bM7vb)

217 Things must be pretty bad when you would trade Hawaii for Vermont.
Posted by: moon_over_vermont at August 01, 2022 11:48 AM (dOCyf)

Yeesh. What a truly sad world, if one's only choices are Hawaii and Vermont.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2022 11:51 AM (NWBBy)

218 I agree, but the FTC has been bought for decades. It goes way further back than the recent round of "too big to fail." Even when I was a baby lawyer 25 years ago working on FTC cases, it was obvious that 90% of the staffers at the FTC were more interested in currying favor with -- and eventually getting jobs at -- the banks and companies they supposedly regulated, than in doing any actual regulating.
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 01, 2022 11:47 AM (iFTx/)
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Yup. The FTC is fully captured and has been for a very long time.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 01, 2022 11:51 AM (WWh8n)

219 "widely used as the PRINCIPAL means of generating electricity"

Posted by: Grammar nerd at August 01, 2022 11:51 AM (rD0QW)

220
"ESG crap?
Posted by: Braenyard at August 01, 2022 11:29 AM (pgzfR)

========

Bad luck."

----------------------------------------
Moe Greene: What, Michael, you think I'm skimming your money?!"

Michael Corleone: (shakes head) "You're unlucky."

Posted by: RM at August 01, 2022 11:51 AM (U3LtS)

221 In the meantime, the managing partner, who had about a 90% interest, coasted. He simply told the banks, "Hey, I got nothing but a bunch of real estate projects that are underwater right now. Push me around and you start a chain reaction and you'll get nothing. Reduce my interest rates, let me skate on some payments and cut me whatever slack I need, and it'll all be Jake eventually."

You gotta love the system.
Posted by: RM at August 01, 2022 11:43 AM (U3LtS)

Was the managing partner's name Donald John Trump? 'Cause that's what he did in the 80s, and the banks actually paid him $500,000 a month to live his life, waiting for the inevitable recovery to take place. He needed that cash to portray the life that attracted Asian investors to his properties, and ultimately bailed him out.

A friend of mine worked on those negotiations, and gave me some of the gory details of that period.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at August 01, 2022 11:51 AM (k6dkt)

222 Sorry to disappoint you, Buck, but Abbott already acted over a month ago.

"Governor Greg Abbott signed a bill into law on Monday banning state investments in businesses that cut ties with the oil and gas industry. The underlying message, according to one of the most powerful energy regulators in the state, is simple: Boycott Texas, and we’ll boycott you."

https://tinyl.io/6jHe

Posted by: SDN at August 01, 2022 11:52 AM (o6RxL)

223 Native Hawaiians are only 10% of the population. Asian is 40% and Whitey is 20%. And then a much of people who are mixed.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 01, 2022 11:52 AM (6RQrE)

224 You know the old saying: if you owe the bank a million dollars, that's your problem; if you owe the bank a hundred million dollars, that's the bank's problem.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at August 01, 2022 11:50 AM (KFhLj)

And if you are a bank, operating through the IMF, and you owe 100 billion dollars, that's the American taxpayers' problem.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2022 11:53 AM (NWBBy)

225 As seen from Wharton, and there will be more, the push back toward political entities fighting ESG we should encourage our local an state politician to do the right thing.

And those politicians who are fighting back should be supported as best we can; by letter, donation or volunteer assistance.

The communists are not going down with a fight.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 01, 2022 11:53 AM (pgzfR)

226 Was the managing partner's name Donald John Trump? 'Cause that's what he did in the 80s, and the banks actually paid him $500,000 a month to live his life, waiting for the inevitable recovery to take place. He needed that cash to portray the life that attracted Asian investors to his properties, and ultimately bailed him out.

Yeah Trump really gamed the system. He had a reputation for just not paying contractors if he didn't like the work, too.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 01, 2022 11:54 AM (Ivdso)

227 But wouldn't the "opposite" - i.e. pretty much normal life up until the last 15-20 years - be just fine?
Posted by: rhomboid at August 01, 2022 11:50 AM (OTzUX)
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Yes, it would be, and that's where the "too far" will come in. States start today by pushing back against ESG and Woke Capital more generally. Those firms back down (which they will, at least some of them, if enough states start icing them out). Things get somewhat better. The next angle might be something else - say it's the tranny thing - and the states run a similar playbook. There's some legislation to limit this or that or the other, but ultimately it will probably work.

But then what? Can it keep pushing? Yes, it can. "If you don't openly advocate for two-parent households in your advertising, you can't do business in this state" is a hypothetical example. Would that be too far? Too far to whom?

Any institution - government, business, whatever - will push any lever they find as far as it will go, which will engender blowback at some point. It's happening to the Woke crowd now (I hope), but it will inevitably happen to the other side some decades down the road when they, too, go too far.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 01, 2022 11:54 AM (WWh8n)

228 My own uncle, near the end of his life, maxed out his borrowing. Just borrowed from whomever would loan the $, same thing with his credit cards, of which he had way too many.
Then he gave away the cash or the material goods to family, and died about a month later.
Collection efforts continued for a year after his death but I think they were fruitless.

Posted by: gourmand du jour, 61 and foggy at August 01, 2022 11:55 AM (jTmQV)

229 I’ve visited HI a few times and liked it generally. People were fine if somewhat indifferent. I could see living there once I’m retired and done giving a fuck about time and punctuality.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 01, 2022 11:56 AM (6RQrE)

230 228 My own uncle, near the end of his life, maxed out his borrowing. Just borrowed from whomever would loan the $, same thing with his credit cards, of which he had way too many.
Then he gave away the cash or the material goods to family, and died about a month later.
Collection efforts continued for a year after his death but I think they were fruitless.
Posted by: gourmand du jour, 61 and foggy at August 01, 2022 11:55 AM (jTmQV)

Only way the creditors could collect anything is if the debt was collateralized. Credit cards aren't.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 01, 2022 11:57 AM (b2nrj)

231 These things look small, but they're not. State X ends relationship with National Institution Y over Issue Z. If enough of these pile up, the process accelerates toward the day when many different political units can sever the ties that bind us altogether, and this regime passes into history's dustbin, where it belongs. Baby steps.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 01, 2022 11:57 AM (IXpV7)

232 Things must be pretty bad when you would trade Hawaii for Vermont.
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You are moar likey to see Bernie Sanders wearing Speedos in HI than VT. Good trade.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 01, 2022 11:57 AM (uia9V)

233 March 31, credit rating agency Standard & Poor’s (S&P) published its first ESG “Report Card” for every U.S. state.
_American Conservative

Posted by: Braenyard at August 01, 2022 11:57 AM (pgzfR)

234 Morn' all.. Just got a text saying Trump could be charged with an election tampering crime in GA. ? WTF ?

Posted by: It's me donna at August 01, 2022 11:58 AM (bs+z0)

235 This busty black lady in a blue dress likes seeing some push-back against Woke Capital:
https://is.gd/8mnTGO
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 01, 2022 11:45 AM

Two thumbs up!

Posted by: Andrew Cuomo at August 01, 2022 11:58 AM (4p7Em)

236 Trump to announce endorsement in MO primary sometime today. Primary's tomorrow. I absenteed voted for Schmidt who DJT got pissed at yesterday and now won't endorse. Guess he'll go with Greiten's.

Posted by: olddog in mo, No Cheetos allowed on the 'toon at August 01, 2022 11:58 AM (/cpHU)

237 29Victor, exactly. Of course it's been evident to many here and elsewhere for years just how ridiculous and transparent the essential uselessness and passivity of the GOP were.

But disastrously that's still not a widespread perception.

Many still think things that are completely routine and unexceptional - like a Senate majority leader pushing through "his" party's president's judicial nominees - is some kind of bold or skillful leadership. Or that, on the other hand, it's not amazing and extraordinary and damning beyond redemption that such a party would smother most of the vital initiatives of one of "their" presidents, on issues with widespread to universal popular support.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 01, 2022 11:58 AM (OTzUX)

238 Collection efforts continued for a year after his death but I think they were fruitless.
Posted by: gourmand du jour, 61 and foggy at August 01, 2022 11:55 AM (jTmQV)

Yup. Generally speaking, creditors can go after his estate, and even if he has assets that he wants distributed after his death, it can be arranged to have those assets distributed to family BEFORE creditors.

So if you are dying, run up your debts, people. F the banks.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2022 11:58 AM (NWBBy)

239 If you owe the bank $1 million and can’t pay it back you have a problem.

If you owe the bank $1 billion and can’t pay it back the bank has a problem.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 01, 2022 11:58 AM (6RQrE)

240 I'm not sure what to make of the pierced nipple thing.

Seems. Odd.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 01, 2022 12:00 PM (0ocXn)

241
Only way the creditors could collect anything is if the debt was collateralized. Credit cards aren't.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 01, 2022 11:57 AM (b2nrj)

I learned that if an elderly person has no possessions in their name and runs up any existing credit and doesn't pay it back, there's nothing the creditor can do because you can't take their SS and they have nothing else to take.

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at August 01, 2022 12:00 PM (Zz0t1)

242 We know Ray Epps whored himself out to the government Deep State since Jan 7

Posted by: Skip's phone at August 01, 2022 12:00 PM (iIb9+)

243 Hurt them more. Make the banks back down until they know their place.

Posted by: NR Pax at August 01, 2022 12:00 PM (4olE8)

244 175 Were these banks lying then or are they lying now?
Posted by: BignJames
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Yes

Posted by: Braenyard at August 01, 2022 12:00 PM (pgzfR)

245 Blackrock and Pfizer have a lot in common. They sell you shit that is intended to kill you.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 01, 2022 12:00 PM (uia9V)

246
"The guy wasn't a limited partner? Taking on full liability for something you're not tightly involved with isn't a great idea."

He was pushed into signing personally at a time when things were booming. Sort of, "Look pal, we all know this is a good investment. I've have 90% in this thing. The world isn't going to come to an end, yada, yada"

He said it was the worst move he ever made. He's now well retired and worth several million, so it all worked out in the long run, but he and his wife were losing sleep for a long time over that one deal.

Posted by: RM at August 01, 2022 12:00 PM (U3LtS)

247 Morn' all.. Just got a text saying Trump could be charged with an election tampering crime in GA. ? WTF ?
Posted by: It's me donna at August 01, 2022 11:58 AM (bs+z0)

They had IRON CLAD evidence of Russian Collusion too, remember.

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at August 01, 2022 12:01 PM (Zz0t1)

248 Guess he'll go with Greiten's.
Posted by: olddog in mo, No Cheetos allowed on the 'toon at August 01, 2022 11:58 AM (/cpHU)

If he does, and Greitens is nominated, he might be the albatross around Trump's neck, when it comes to this notion that the reason candidates are winning is BECAUSE of Trump.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2022 12:01 PM (NWBBy)

249 Things must be pretty bad when you would trade Hawaii for Vermont.
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You are moar likey to see Bernie Sanders wearing Speedos in HI than VT. Good trade.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 01, 2022 11:57 AM (uia9V)

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And you're more likely to see Mazie Hirono running whores from an igloo in VT than HI.

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, it gets worse here every day at August 01, 2022 12:01 PM (i0w7o)

250 It's almost more important to a credit company to have you on record as owing them money than for you to actually repay that money.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 01, 2022 12:01 PM (/EuRN)

251 I learned that if an elderly person has no possessions in their name and runs up any existing credit and doesn't pay it back, there's nothing the creditor can do because you can't take their SS and they have nothing else to take.
Posted by: Sponge
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When they die doesn't that debt pass on to relatives?

Posted by: Braenyard at August 01, 2022 12:02 PM (pgzfR)

252 I suppose it is too much to hope for that a Red /Blue Anti/Pro ESG Demand might break up the nationwide banks?

Posted by: Legion of Boom at August 01, 2022 12:02 PM (pQ7Rb)

253 If you go to the island of Kauai, there is park which is referred to as the Grand Canyon of the Pacific.
There, a trail is the result of government largesse. It is a long trail with lots of bridges and wooden sections over marshy land, etc. It is impressive. Turns out the workers had to travel there, 3 hours each way, in buses and vans, to the site. Once at the site, they worked for an hour, had a 30 minute lunch break, put away their stuff for the last 30 minutes, then back on the buses for the 3 hour trip back to the village. Hundreds of workers put in 8 hour work days to get 90 minutes of effort on the trail.

Posted by: gourmand du jour, 61 and foggy at August 01, 2022 12:02 PM (jTmQV)

254 Taiwan media are reporting that Whoreface will arrive at Songshan airport at 10:30PM local time on Tuesday. That's 9:30AM CDT tomorrow.

WSJ and Bloomberg are saying that she will definitely go to Taiwan, citing Taiwan government officials.

https://tinyurl.com/26c9t9ek

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at August 01, 2022 12:02 PM (sWM8x)

255 We know Ray Epps whored himself out to the government Deep State since Jan 7
Posted by: Skip's phone at August 01, 2022 12:00 PM (iIb9+)

More likely he was a glowie long before Jan 6.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2022 12:02 PM (NWBBy)

256
So if you are dying, run up your debts, people. F the banks.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2022 11:58 AM (NWBBy)

In Texas, if you gift possessions over 5 years prior to any life altering event or credit default, the gifted is untouchable.

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at August 01, 2022 12:02 PM (Zz0t1)

257
When they die doesn't that debt pass on to relatives?

Posted by: Braenyard at August 01, 2022 12:02 PM (pgzfR)

I guess I'll find out......

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at August 01, 2022 12:03 PM (Zz0t1)

258 "When they die doesn't that debt pass on to relatives? "
Depends on the state. Most states, no.
Spouse, maybe.

Posted by: gourmand du jour, 61 and foggy at August 01, 2022 12:03 PM (jTmQV)

259 Conspiracy Theory alert: Pelosi brings back COVID-22.

Posted by: Legion of Boom at August 01, 2022 12:03 PM (pQ7Rb)

260 When they die doesn't that debt pass on to relatives?

Posted by: Braenyard at August 01, 2022 12:02 PM (pgzfR)

Nope. The estate, yes, relatives, no.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2022 12:04 PM (NWBBy)

261 Report: Ray Epps Daughter claims he was used by Feds on J6 to clear up IRS debts
Posted by: Neo at August 01, 2022 11:19 AM (RHGPo)

It worked before. $50k owed to the IRS wiped clean. But if your existence becomes a problem . . .

Posted by: Jack Ruby at August 01, 2022 12:04 PM (4I/2K)

262 When they die doesn't that debt pass on to relatives?
Posted by: Braenyard at August 01, 2022 12:02 PM (pgzfR)
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Per my understanding (which is incomplete), no. The heirs aren't on the contract. If assets are encumbered, the creditors get them (the bank gets your parents' house, not you). The creditors can - and will - go after the estate and can take it to pay back the debt, but they cannot go after people who were not party to the contract.

If you're in the position of having credit but few assets, you can lever up and give money and stuff to your heirs while you're still alive and then when you die, whatever is left goes to the creditors but you gave away most of it beforehand.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 01, 2022 12:05 PM (WWh8n)

263 JPM's division that does business with state and local governments is one of the largest in the industry. Losing even half of that would be devastating, especially for their shareholders. That's why the SEC and other agencies are trying to codify the ESG scam into the regulations. But that won't save them from this type of action by the states.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 01, 2022 12:05 PM (+Odgf)

264 Nood

Posted by: It's me donna at August 01, 2022 12:05 PM (bs+z0)

265 Primary Tuesday _
Arizona, Senator: Trump endorses Blake Masters, Governor: Trump endorsed - Kari Lake https://bit.ly/3Shg93y
Karrin Taylor Robson, campaign is proud to announce the endorsement of former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, who has been one of the leading and most outspoken voices in the GOP for over a decade.

Kansas: _ Governor, Derek Schmidt - Trump Endorses - U.S. Senate Democrat primary - bunch of commies
Republican primary for U.S. Senate Kansas, Trump - no endorsement, local news opinion https://bit.ly/3oH912H

Michigan - Governor , - Trump endorses, Tudor Dixon. https://bit.ly/3Q6RTPx

Washington - Senator. - Tiffany Smiley, Nikki Haley endorses https://bit.ly/3Sej399 - Washington state looks like some kind of jungle thing with R's and D's co-mingled.

Maybe some one from WA can explain.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 01, 2022 12:05 PM (pgzfR)

266 Why do they do this? Why does the Left keep fucking with Normal? The answer to that question is the same as the answer to this question: Why do dogs lick their balls?

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at August 01, 2022 11:31 AM (zb2LI)

Dogs lick their balls to sow chaos, destroy law and order, and consolidate whatever remains under their throne as Substitute God? That's news to me.

Posted by: ... at August 01, 2022 12:05 PM (UlZCQ)

267 Dem nips appear pierced.

Your point being?

Posted by: Andrew Cuomo at August 01, 2022 12:06 PM (XQFx4)

268 nood liz

Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 01, 2022 12:06 PM (fs1hN)

269 Joe M., thanks for the reply. I don't see even the tiniest possibility of the backlash excess you lay out in the hypothetical, really.

"ESG", or its forerunners - things like divesting from South Africa when that was the latest teen craze - have always been, exclusively, from the totalitarian/statist end. Prior to that ..... when did external "conservative" agendas ever get pushed on society via things like politicizing state pension fund investments?

There's no pendulum here, as in many other situations. I think the metaphor is completely inappropriate. Status quo ante was maximizing shareholder/pension beneficiary value and return, conventionally defined.

Look at the country. I don't see the remotest chance that a place that allowed itself to be dragged to this point will suddenly develop novel things like a "conservative" jihad to push non-financial goals via things like state pension funds. Return to "normal" would be a spectacular victory. I'd expect a refractory period followed by attention being shifted elsewhere, not a counter-jihad.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 01, 2022 12:06 PM (OTzUX)

270 When they die doesn't that debt pass on to relatives?

Posted by: Braenyard at August 01, 2022 12:02 PM (pgzfR)

I guess I'll find out......
Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at August 01, 2022 12:03 PM (Zz0t1)

If you get bills that say "The Estate of [insert name here]," ignore them. You are under no obligation to pay them, and they're looking for you to assume that you are.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2022 12:07 PM (NWBBy)

271 Re: 126 Thermal coal is coal burned for heat, usually in a power plant to make steam. As opposed to metallurgical coal, used in the steel making process (as coke). And I suspect some coal may be used as a feedstock in certain organic chemical processes.

Posted by: Fox2! at August 01, 2022 12:08 PM (qyH+l)

272
When they die doesn't that debt pass on to relatives?

Posted by: Braenyard at August 01, 2022 12:02 PM (pgzfR)

Because under the law, no one can be held personally responsible for a debt they had no part in incurring. The British used to do that, and it's one of the things we tossed out of our system. Even with property, an inheritor can refuse the bequest. For instance if you were to inherit a piece of property with a huge toxic waste dump on it, you could refuse the inheritance and title would pass to the State.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 01, 2022 12:09 PM (trdmm)

273 "Was the managing partner's name Donald John Trump? "

I remember an article about Trump sweating through a huge meeting at that time involving about 50(?) banks who he owed money to. One relatively small bank was holding out and wanted to pull the trigger and collapse that whole setup. Eventually they caved, saving the Donald's hide. Apparently he walked out of that meeting white as a ghost at the nearness of the thing.

Posted by: RM at August 01, 2022 12:09 PM (U3LtS)

274 248 Guess he'll go with Greiten's.
Posted by: olddog in mo, No Cheetos allowed on the 'toon at August 01, 2022 11:58 AM (/cpHU)

If he does, and Greitens is nominated, he might be the albatross around Trump's neck, when it comes to this notion that the reason candidates are winning is BECAUSE of Trump.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2022 12:01 PM (NWBBy)

He might, but Trump is, by my quick count, at 104 wins and 5 losses in primaries so far. He could lose a few high-profile ones, and he'd still be the difference-maker. Nobody else in the GOP is even trying that hard to best his record thus far.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at August 01, 2022 12:10 PM (k6dkt)

275 When they die doesn't that debt pass on to relatives?

No, it becomes a debt against the deceased person's estate. If there's no money in the estate, too bad.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com - Email for morons. at August 01, 2022 12:11 PM (Bd6X8)

276 Have read a few blogs the Marxists are out to stop in anyway they can to keep DJT off the 2024 election. Like their life depends upon that.

Posted by: Skip's phone at August 01, 2022 12:14 PM (iIb9+)

277 234 Morn' all.. Just got a text saying Trump could be charged with an election tampering crime in GA. ? WTF ?

Oh no! The Walls Are Closing In! (again)

Posted by: NR Pax at August 01, 2022 12:15 PM (4olE8)

278 276 the Marxists are out to stop in anyway they can to keep DJT off the 2024 election. Like their life depends upon that.

If we lived in a just world, that's exactly why they are doing it.

Posted by: NR Pax at August 01, 2022 12:16 PM (4olE8)

279 Texas should be leading this effort on more than just contracts. If Texas and Florida said discriminating banks not only didn’t get the state’s (or any municipality’s) business, but can’t operate AT ALL in the state, that would stop this nonsense. Same thing with the bank and credit card limits on gun and ammo purchases—those are legal products and protected by the 2nd Amendment. If a bank or credit card company won’t process this, they shouldn’t do business here.

Posted by: Rachel Jeantel at August 01, 2022 12:17 PM (AfV7r)

280 Oahu has, for years, been able to post very impressive percentages of trading coal power for solar -- because the vast majority of power generation is by burning oil. There is a tanker mooring out past Ewa, in line with the runway of Barbers Point, that always has a ship unloading via submerged pipeline. You can almost see 'Electric Beach' from the v.large Disney property out there.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at August 01, 2022 12:23 PM (x61Im)

281 i am thinking that the money thinks they have bought the dialecticians.

i do not think so.

they will lose

Posted by: yoeman at August 01, 2022 12:24 PM (BYNHj)

282 Guess who attended Trump's golf soiree in Bedminister yesterday? Yeah, Caitlyn(Bruce) Jenner. The fuq.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at August 01, 2022 12:27 PM (m7R0k)

283 Red and blue are both out to screw you.

Posted by: Concerned 0331 at August 01, 2022 12:29 PM (PmQhP)

284 92 So Schwab wants to launch Stacy Abrams into orbit?
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Hey, gimme a break!

Posted by: Elon Musk at August 01, 2022 12:31 PM (peWy1)

285 The average age of a coal fired power plant in the USA is 45 years old.. financing would be available only if it made economic sense.. Peabody(largest coal company) coal's stock price has fallen by more than 1/2 in the last 5 years. Since going bankrupt a few years ago and deciding to invest in solar stock has been going up.
West Virginia is one of tgd poorest least educated lowest life expectancy of all states
Good luck with trying to get a good rate financing coal

Posted by: Paul at August 01, 2022 12:39 PM (VIGdd)

286 Texas has this as a law. It was signed June 14, 2021. Grabbott is a problem, but in this case he’s not a follower.

Posted by: Leland at August 01, 2022 12:39 PM (wVP6F)

287 Wow, Phyllis showed some excellent cleavage on Young and the Senseless today

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at August 01, 2022 12:44 PM (ufFY8)

288 Not only does Texas have this law already in place for a year; it goes beyond fossil fuel and blocks business with banks that boycott firearm manufacturers.

Posted by: Leland at August 01, 2022 12:44 PM (wVP6F)

289 The same thing needs to be done on guns and ammo.

No financial institution, including PayPal and Mastercard, that imposes anti-gun policies should get any State business from any GOP controlled State.

How long after Texas and Florida refused to allow Mastercard payments for anything gov't related, including parking meters and City / State owned parking garages would it take for Mastercard to fold?

If the Dems want to force two systems, one for American States, one for Commie ones, it's their globalist paymasters who will take the shot to the wallet

Posted by: Greg The Class Traitor at August 01, 2022 01:25 PM (zG6+d)

290 About time we started acting like a Federal Republic

Posted by: Justin Castreau at August 01, 2022 01:25 PM (8cDVp)

291 Free for me but not for thee.

Posted by: PG at August 01, 2022 01:25 PM (84jHt)

292 Texas has this as a law. It was signed June 14, 2021. Grabbott is a problem, but in this case he’s not a follower.

Posted by: Leland

Then why didn't US Bank cave to them last year?

Having a law and enforcing it are two different things

Posted by: Greg The Class Traitor at August 01, 2022 01:37 PM (zG6+d)

293 I think class idiot is what you mean. Texas sells oil and gas. WV finally got US Bank to change their policy on coal. Let me know when WV does something about your supposed concern about firearms, because Texas already did what you just came up with today.

Posted by: Leland at August 01, 2022 02:32 PM (wVP6F)

294 Supporting the Anti-Energy Freaks will cost them in West Virginia

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at August 01, 2022 06:12 PM (wGqjj)

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