Gun Thread: July 24th National Thermal Engineer Day Edition!

Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

Happy July 24th and National Thermal Engineer Day, everyone! If this ain't one of the highlights of the year, I don't know what is. I'll tell you it's way hotter than a box of penguin turds where I am in Virginia, so this joyous event comes at a very good time of the year. I'm planning to celebrate by watching hours of the Weather Channel and using the laser pointer on my infrared thermometer as a cat toy. Is it hot where you are?

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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Not sure if I have featured this before, but here is a fun little feller from the Weasel collection, a Springfield Armory 1911-A1 manufactured in 2004. It's about as basic as they come, or came rather, because the model was discontinued and replaced with the 1911 MIL-SPEC series. A review of the new model, with some comparisons to the "original" Springfield Armory reproduction A-1 can be found HERE.

I don't have a copy of the newer MIL-SPEC version to compare, but I sure don't see anything wrong with the one I have which seems a little truer to the one our GI's carried. It may just be some of the aesthetics, or the fact I generally view any and all change to be bad, but they didn't consult me, so whatevs. It's a fine shooter and although it has a couple of battle scars from the range, I have zero complaints with it!

Anyone have a copy of the newer version?

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First up, our pal and delightful 'ette TB24601 shares her awesome AR upper!:

Engraved AR Receiver and a Hat

I post under TB24601. My husband helped me put together my first AR and I had to get it engraved. The other side has 'Vera' engraved on it. I know some Morons will appreciate it! For anyone around Colorado Springs, we recommend Spartan Defense Armory & Training for engraving, cerakote and similar services.

Awsomeness level 11! Is there any doubt TB24601 is a committed member of The Horde? Thanks for sending this in!

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Going From .38 to .32 Magnum
Next up, our pal A.H.Lloyd makes a change!

Charter Arms (top) and Taurus 85 (bottom)

One could say A.H.Lloyd has transitioned.

With a bunch of states now open up for concealed carry, some of our newly emancipated Morons might be interested in why I switched from my venerable Taurus 85 Total Titanium in .38 Special to a Charter Arms Undercoverette in .32 Magnum. I will begin by saying I really like revolvers as an EDC choice. While I have some alternate rigs, my mainstay has been the snubbie, a five shot .38 Special. It is light, compact and simple. I don't even have to think about whether I want a round in the chamber or if the safety should be on, all of that is irrelevant. The Taurus met all of those needs, so why am I swapping it out? What put the Undercoverette over the top? Well, there were several factors.
The first is that the Undercoverette's grips are longer and provide better control. On the Taurus, the little finger is unsupported and usually rests along the butt. Having a full grip is nice.
The second is the caliber. I think .32 Magnum has managed to achieve a sort of Platonic ideal in a self-defense caliber. Felt recoil is significantly lower than .38 Special, yet it produces superior kinetic energy. As you can see, .32 Mag hollow point absolutely destroys a gallon jug and it hit with such force that I actually got hit by some of the spray. Not only does it hit harder than .38, the cylinder can hold an additional round, so I now have six shots rather than just five.
The biggest downside is finding ammunition, which has been particularly scarce and expensive of late. Still, the Undercoverette has several options when it comes to ammunition. In addition to using .32 Magnum, it can also safely use .32 S&W Long and .32 short. In fact, if you are someone who is very sensitive to recoil, getting one of these and using .32 Long in it is a viable option. Though some might call it a "mouse gun" caliber, .32 Long has twice the energy of .22LR or .25 ACP and it was a standard police cartridge for decades.
Revolvers chambered for .32 Magnum are technically capable of using .32 ACP, but this is not officially recommended. Chris Baker of Lucky Gunner explains why. I've tested it and ammunition choice makes a very large difference in performance and reliability. I absolutely do not recommend using .32 ACP as a self-defense round in one of these revolvers.

One issue with using different types of ammunition is that that point of aim can move around. This target helps illustrate that point. The orange tabs are .32 Magnum, and unsurprisingly they have the best placement. The green dots are .32 Long, and they typically fall a little lower, and I have the same experience in using .38 Special in a .357 Magnum. It may look like it is also far less accurate, but the flyers around the edge were the result of me experimenting with using a single hand and rapid fire. The pink dots are .32 ACP and you can see that they consistently hit low and to the right.
An additional point in favor of the Undercoverette for me was that its similarity to the Taurus meant almost no learning curve. All I had to do was get a sense of the proper sight picture and I was good to go.
As an added bonus, the Undercoverette is actually 1/4 ounce lighter when fully loaded. Is that significant? Not really, but if you look at the price points for the two weapons, it's remarkable that the Taurus, which I thought was the ne plus ultra of featherweights, can be surpassed with a conventional alloy frame.
Add it all together and it's a lighter platform, better feel, less recoil, more power and higher ammunition capacity. It's not for everyone, but I'm pretty happy with it.

How about it, .32 Magnum anyone? Great review AHL, and nice shooting! Thank you!

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Ruh Roh! Ruger Recall!!
Next, our pal Baron Munchausen offers the following PSA on a a Ruger Mark IV pistol recall.

Here's what Ruger is saying on the recall webpage:

Ruger recently discovered that all Mark IV pistols including 22/45 models manufactured prior to June 1, 2017 have the potential to discharge unintentionally if the safety is not utilized correctly. In particular, if the trigger is pulled while the safety lever is midway between the "safe" and "fire" positions, that is, the safety is not fully engaged or fully disengaged, then the pistol may not fire when the trigger is pulled. However, if the trigger is released and the safety lever is then moved from the mid position to the "fire" position, the pistol may fire at that time.

Thanks Baron M! Anyone have one of the affected pistolas?

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Greenwood Mall Indiana Shooting
Most of you know I tend not to include much here in the way of current events, rather choosing instead to focus simply on the hobby of guns and shooting. I'd be remiss, however, if I didn't mention that although we've had another deranged shooter, who opened fire killing three and injuring two more, this time there was a good guy present with a gun to take care of the problem.

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The hero? 22 year-old Elisjsha Dicken who responded quickly and clearly saved countless lives. If you own a gun, learn how to use it and carry it wherever you go.

Good job, Eli. Very nice shooting.

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89 Days!
The countdown to the TXMoMe has begun. That's right, boys and girls, the TXMome is a mere 89 days from today, and by now you should be rushing your MoMe attendance plans to completion. There are lots of big doin's in the works and your hosts Rancher Bob, Cow Horse Queen and Ben Had are ready to welcome YOU to the festivities! Have you signed up? Are you on the exclusive guest list, or are you one of the mentally defective people who always finds a reason to make it next year?

Holy Shitballs, people. Have I not implored and cajoled you enough? Do you require additional imploring and cajoling? I challenge you to find a single person who has attended a TXMoMe and not found it to be a life altering experience. Life altering for the good even! So please quit screwing around and making up reasons not to commit and start planning on getting your ass to Texas in October!

You will see this material again, so for heaven's sake, so do yourself a favor and email Ben Had for details!

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Musical Interlude

Zepparella

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Gun Basics 101
Hmmm... no new content from the She Equips Herself gal this week, so let's have a look at a previous video on at-home gun safes.

Here is a link for the Vaultek line of products.

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Hopefully they have improved the design of this model!

Thoughts? Comments on the design or principle of operation? Anyone have one?

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Cigar of the Week
Here is Cigar Vixen with a video review of the Joya Red.

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Link-O-Rama

I'm really very seriously not kidding around anymore. Buy Ammo
AmmoSeek - online ammo search tool
GunBot - online ammo search tool
SG Ammo
Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA
Bud's Gun Shop

***Mail Bag***

Here is a quick little video of Weasel Dog for her fans! Apparantly she doesn't appreciate my interest in her little shoe-baby stuffed toy, and yes, that is my trigger finger at risk! Yikes!

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM

Comments

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1 Yeah Buddy

Posted by: Shep Fairy Smith's Sore Ass at July 24, 2022 07:00 PM (R5lpX)

2 Bang!

Posted by: Skip at July 24, 2022 07:00 PM (38JOs)

3 Gubs!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 24, 2022 07:00 PM (u73oe)

4 How'd that happen

Posted by: Shep Fairy Smith's Sore Ass at July 24, 2022 07:01 PM (R5lpX)

5 Bold!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 24, 2022 07:01 PM (a3Q+t)

6 Bold

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at July 24, 2022 07:01 PM (R5lpX)

7 Loose formatting ain't gonna look good on your upcoming eval.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 24, 2022 07:01 PM (u73oe)

8 1911!

Posted by: Eromero at July 24, 2022 07:01 PM (0OP+5)

9 Top 10

Posted by: Rancherbob at July 24, 2022 07:01 PM (gtu9W)

10 Good evening everyone. Thank you Weasel for riding herd on this bunch of misfits.

Posted by: Tonypete at July 24, 2022 07:02 PM (6WCwE)

11 Is there eight days in a week?

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at July 24, 2022 07:03 PM (R5lpX)

12 Here on time for once!

Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 07:03 PM (SVBqo)

13 Is there eight days in a week?
Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy

On in songs by the Beatles.

Posted by: Tonypete at July 24, 2022 07:03 PM (6WCwE)

14 1911!
Posted by: Eromero at July 24, 2022 07:01 PM

There may be hope for you yet, young feller.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 24, 2022 07:03 PM (a3Q+t)

15 Stepped outside and immediately caught a case of the swamp ass. Stayed inside all day How YOU doin? Now to read the content

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at July 24, 2022 07:04 PM (mUYId)

16 Broke down and bought a Colt Python. Got a 4 inch barrel model for MSRP. Going to shoot it tomorrow.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 24, 2022 07:04 PM (bVYXr)

17 You have to feed weasel dog more often

Posted by: Skip at July 24, 2022 07:04 PM (38JOs)

18 "her awesome AR lower"
Ummm, Weasel, that's the *upper* that's engraved on that AR15.

Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 07:05 PM (SVBqo)

19 Does everyone know what gun the mall defender used?

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter making trouble at July 24, 2022 07:05 PM (+4XNm)

20 "her awesome AR lower"
Ummm, Weasel, that's the *upper* that's engraved on that AR15.
Posted by: GWB

220, 221 - whatever it takes.

Posted by: Tonypete at July 24, 2022 07:06 PM (6WCwE)

21 Weasel, Weasel, Weasel.
Tempting fate there with what your trigger finger was doing with Weasel Dog's toy.

WD has every right under Castle Doctrine to protect their property.
Look forward to the auction from the safe as you will no longer be able to enjoy the sport. LOL

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 24, 2022 07:06 PM (fe7in)

22 When I bought my Colt Trooper in about 1984 abouts wanted a Python but was twice the money. Should have gotten it anyway.

Posted by: Skip at July 24, 2022 07:06 PM (38JOs)

23 Thoughts? Comments on the design or principle of operation? Anyone have one?
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I've got one and like it a lot. I didn't buy it as a gun safe so much as a way to keep little kids' hands off of it when I'm not in the room, but still allowing me to get to the contents quickly if needed.

I'd love to find something similar for an AR or small pistol carbine type weapon. A clamshell that folds over the receiver would be ideal.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Norway only has EVs because the government has guns at July 24, 2022 07:06 PM (gIwDN)

24 Thanks for all the work you do Weasel.
(even when you post late in the day on Saturday that you have to get busy on the GT!).

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 24, 2022 07:06 PM (riYIr)

25 "her awesome AR lower"
Ummm, Weasel, that's the *upper* that's engraved on that AR15.
Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 07:05 PM

Perhaps Weasel has seen what's engraved on the lower?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 24, 2022 07:06 PM (a3Q+t)

26 Hello gub threaders!

What a guntabulous week this was!

So much stuff.

Posted by: blaster at July 24, 2022 07:07 PM (6TxNR)

27 Perhaps Weasel has seen what's engraved on the lower?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 24, 2022 07:06 PM (a3Q+t)

Sound a little TMI to me.

Posted by: blaster at July 24, 2022 07:08 PM (6TxNR)

28 Does everyone know what gun the mall defender used?
Posted by: Anti

I seem to remember it started with G and ended in K.
He bought it as soon the laws changed allowing him to carry concealed.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 24, 2022 07:08 PM (riYIr)

29 The only possible response to TB24601 and her awesome rig: Shiny!

Good evening Weasel and all good Gub 'Ettes and 'Rons.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at July 24, 2022 07:08 PM (v23vE)

30 Damn, those chicks rock.

Posted by: pawn at July 24, 2022 07:09 PM (wsHtO)

31 18 "her awesome AR lower"
Ummm, Weasel, that's the *upper* that's engraved on that AR15.
Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 07:05 PM (SVBqo)
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Sure enough! When did you all start reading the content?

Fixed it!

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 07:09 PM (0IeYL)

32 Ola , ca va?

Nice AR15 and hat. Engraving only helps a pew pews elegance and style points.
It is cold where I am, a southerly Antarctic blast is due to sweep thru tomorrow for a few days. Just hope the ewes don't start dropping lambs.
Gub stuff, well I have a few rifles to chronograph so people can send scopes away to Leopold for custom elevation turrets. Its a good idea for hunting I suppose, but I prefer ballistic tables a working from there.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 24, 2022 07:10 PM (bgJ0E)

33 Boom! I'm in.....now to read the content!

Posted by: Norman Spiny at July 24, 2022 07:11 PM (a8vi6)

34 Posted by: pawn at July 24, 2022 07:09 PM (wsHtO)
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Yep!

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 07:11 PM (0IeYL)

35 I am just home from the bi-weekly DMV MGC and movable mini-mome.

Today the regular squad plus joined by a semi-regular whose nick I can never remember. Something about Stinky. And also just in from Wyoming Screaming in Digital was visiting as there was a memorial for Jesse in DC out in the Shenandoah.

Today our theme was .22s and .45s and PDWs and maybe we made room for some 9mm sidearms too. Eight shooters and 12 guns on 3 lanes. No waiting!

Posted by: blaster at July 24, 2022 07:12 PM (6TxNR)

36 Thinking about purchasing the CZ scorpion PCC. Anyone ever shoot one? We have a CZ demo day at my range on the 30th.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter making trouble at July 24, 2022 07:12 PM (+4XNm)

37 "If you own a gun, learn how to use it and carry it wherever you go."

He hit 8/10 at 40 yards. I think a lot of us couldn't hit that at 25. And a lot of indoor ranges only go our to 25 or 30.

But, still, I'm betting he spends time on fundamentals every time he goes to the range. Sight picture, grip, trigger pull, follow-through, breathing.

Also, he used one of those pillars in the food court for cover and as a brace. I'm not sure most indoor ranges will let you shoot braced on the walls 'twixt lanes during regular range hours, even though it was always part of AF pistol qual courses (over brace, beside brace).

And all in 15 seconds.

Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 07:12 PM (SVBqo)

38 I am unfamiliar with the thermodynamics of penguin turds.

Posted by: Halfhand at July 24, 2022 07:13 PM (RHMFE)

39 Did someone say 1911?

I really really love 1911s.

Posted by: nurse ratched at July 24, 2022 07:13 PM (U2p+3)

40 29 The only possible response to TB24601 and her awesome rig: Shiny!

This ^^^

Posted by: blaster at July 24, 2022 07:13 PM (6TxNR)

41 Howdy

now off for my evening walk in 100 F heat index conditions if I survive I will return

Posted by: Gref at July 24, 2022 07:13 PM (AMIL/)

42 All present and accounted for.

Posted by: RI Red at July 24, 2022 07:14 PM (xtg8y)

43 I do not see myself getting anything like a .32 caliber. But I do love the write ups A.H. Lloyd makes and the accompanying pictures. Must be why I have so many of his books. :-)

For my first wheel gun I would like to get a Ruger GP100 in .38, though CBD sent me an email with an attachment from Gun Tests, and they had 3 lovely Single Actions in 45 colt. Made me want to fill out the permission slip I need from the NYPD to purchase a handgun.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 24, 2022 07:14 PM (fe7in)

44 LOL, Zepperella.
I know those ladies.
(Not THAT way.)
Pretty easy on the eyes, that bunch.

Posted by: gourmand du jour, partly cloudy clearing in the afternoon at July 24, 2022 07:14 PM (jTmQV)

45 Does everyone know what gun the mall defender used?
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter making trouble at July 24, 2022 07:05 PM

Details on both the defender and the terrorist seem to be lacking, for some 'odd' reason.

I've seen the defender credited with both a Glock and a Hellcat.

In the 'things that make you go "hmmmmm..."' category, I've seen one picture of the terrorist's purported weapons. If accurate, it appears to be an *exact* clone of the Uvalde shooter's weapon (a Daniel Defense rifle, with same-same optical sight, foregrip, and Magpul 40 round magazine).

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 24, 2022 07:14 PM (a3Q+t)

46 awwwww, lookit the cute lil' dog !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra MAGA FTW ! at July 24, 2022 07:15 PM (oZtf9)

47 Howdy horde!
I've got one of them Springfield 1911 govt models and I love it. Shoots true and very reliable. I believe same model as yours Weasel. Built in Brazil I believe.

Heading out for a week in the mountains next week. Will be doing some hiking and I am considering which to bring, that 1911, or the CZ75 clone that carries 10+1. More heavy, but more better.

Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at July 24, 2022 07:15 PM (eUsLv)

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Posted by: gourmand du jour, partly cloudy clearing in the afternoon at July 24, 2022 07:14 PM (jTmQV)
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I've had show tix TWICE and had something stupid come up at the last minute that kept me from going.

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 07:16 PM (0IeYL)

49
awwwww, lookit the cute lil' dog !
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra MAGA FTW !

That thing bites like a Russian chess-playing robot.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 24, 2022 07:17 PM (63Dwl)

50 Weasel ain't kiddin' about the TXMOME being a life-changing event. It sure changed my life in the past year or so!

Sign up early and often! (you know, like voting!)

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 24, 2022 07:17 PM (K5n5d)

51 Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at July 24, 2022 07:15 PM (eUsLv)
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Yep! WW prefix - made in Brazil.

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 07:17 PM (0IeYL)

52 Broke down and bought a Colt Python.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 24, 2022 07:04 PM (bVYXr)

Envious. For me to do that would require a 2d mortgage.

Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 07:17 PM (SVBqo)

53 The end of weeks of musing, I finally resolved the Heritage Rough Rider dilemma. This is kind of math, but the $89 Rough Rider from PSA ends up costing a bit more with shipping and FFL charge, so I determined to get one locally. And then I find that they make a "tactical" version with a carbon fiber like grip and a RAIL. It's tiny, but its there. I have been joking that red dots will end up on SAA's. Well, here was my opportunity.

But that was a bridge too far even for me, and then I found that Heritage had a "Deadman's Hand" edition. The grips are plastic and printed with a skull and the famous deadman's hand of aces and eights. Prominent in there was the Ace of Spades. sra blaster had to take a trip so she missed our anniversary, and she also didn't get me a gift, so I let her know that this would suffice. So now I have an Ace of Spades pistol.

Posted by: blaster at July 24, 2022 07:18 PM (6TxNR)

54 The Powers that Be here in the Peoples Republic of New York City have deigned that I am WORTHY of continuing to possess both a handgun and a rifle. Got both my handgun license and rifle/shotgun permit renewed.

Good until Aug 2025

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 24, 2022 07:18 PM (fe7in)

55 I read somewhere that the Dicksen guy made a hit on the shooter, which knocked the shooter down.
(probably surprised the sheet out of him...)
He then closed with him and finished him.
These mass shooters don't expect it when someone returns fire.

Posted by: gourmand du jour, partly cloudy clearing in the afternoon at July 24, 2022 07:18 PM (jTmQV)

56 In the 'things that make you go "hmmmmm..."' category, I've seen one picture of the terrorist's purported weapons. If accurate, it appears to be an *exact* clone of the Uvalde shooter's weapon (a Daniel Defense rifle, with same-same optical sight, foregrip, and Magpul 40 round magazine).

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I won't be the least bit surprised to learn that he's on the same discord forum as the uvalde shooter and the other guy, and had been instructed by Anton (or whatever the Fed's name was) down to the point where Anton was posting "two more weeks!" type stuff.

But you better stay off the grass and give up your side by side 28 gauge.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Norway only has EVs because the government has guns at July 24, 2022 07:18 PM (gIwDN)

57 Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 24, 2022 07:17 PM (K5n5d)
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Howdy!!

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 07:19 PM (0IeYL)

58 Perhaps Weasel has seen what's engraved on the lower?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 24, 2022 07:06 PM (a3Q+t)

Does her husband know?!?

Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 07:19 PM (SVBqo)

59 Did someone say 1911?

I really really love 1911s.
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 24, 2022 07:13 PM

As a woman of exquisite refinement and utmost taste, of course you do.

It appears that Eromero may be on the verge of coming around, as well!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 24, 2022 07:19 PM (a3Q+t)

60 It's staying right around 100 here. The other day, it was 104 where we're at, we ventured down into the Colorado River Valley, Bullhead City, and it was a toasty 114.

Sort of amazing how much difference 3,300 feet makes.

Humidity is much lower than your area, though, weasel.

Fun thread, as per usual. My only beef with MilSpec 1911 is hammer bite. I tend to grip high enough on a 1911 I'll go home bleeding after a session with a MilSpec.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at July 24, 2022 07:20 PM (5pTK/)

61 I shoot that HRR like I shoot all revolvers, which is to say terribly. The intent of it is to have a cylinder full of snakeshot .22LR for when I am on blaster acres down in Florida.

Posted by: blaster at July 24, 2022 07:20 PM (6TxNR)

62 Hello all! Thanks to Weasel and the rest for my favorite AOS thread. Nothing to report, other than supper time is getting near.

Posted by: Pod Hamp at July 24, 2022 07:20 PM (H+EKX)

63 I got to shoot outside yesterday with MAE and LazyMessenger. We did some IDPA type shooting and some reloading. It was nice to be outside and doing stuff you can't do at the range. I managed to draw and shoot and hit the ten inside of 1.8 seconds. Not super fast, but pretty good for a beginner.

Love those guys. They're the best.
Except for weasel, I guess he's technically the best since this is his show. Thanks weasel!

Posted by: nurse ratched at July 24, 2022 07:21 PM (U2p+3)

64 The lead singer in white playing the harmonica, I proposed marriage to her years ago.
She declined.
Something about me being already married to one of her friends... I dunno.
I swear the closer I came in proximity to her, the stupider I got. The IQ just leaked out my eyeballs or something...

Posted by: gourmand du jour, partly cloudy clearing in the afternoon at July 24, 2022 07:21 PM (jTmQV)

65 The only possible response to TB24601 and her awesome rig: Shiny!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at July 24, 2022 07:08 PM (v23vE)

And the hat. Yeah.

Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 07:22 PM (SVBqo)

66 That Ruger recall is old. I bought one in 2017, got the recall notice, notified Ruger by email, got a box shipped from ruger to return said pistol parts, got the box back about 4 days later. They put a mark on the safety to acknowledge that the specimen has had the recall work done to it. The pistol is very accurate, and easy to strip down, my mark III bull barrel military target pistol takes a magician to strip it down to clean it.

Posted by: StephanA at July 24, 2022 07:22 PM (q6ZCK)

67 I am adding the Eli Dicken drill to my practice. The report said a Glock nine mil - any idea which model?

Posted by: RI Red at July 24, 2022 07:22 PM (xtg8y)

68 Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 07:12 PM (SVBqo)

Still amazing shooting but I am convinced it wasn't 40 yards. People were in front of him. Pace off 40 yards and imagine panic people in front of you. I don't think you would take the shot and would move closer . Also the columns shown in photos are closer than 40 yards.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter making trouble at July 24, 2022 07:22 PM (+4XNm)

69 Posted by: nurse ratched at July 24, 2022 07:21 PM (U2p+3)
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nurse is the best! All y'all is the best!

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 07:23 PM (0IeYL)

70 39 Did someone say 1911?

I really really love 1911s.
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 24, 2022 07:13 PM (U2p+3)

For those who may not like the .45acp experience every time they squeeze the tit, there are 9mm versions. I picked up a Star Model B in 9mm that is basically a 1911, except for a few small internals. The look and feel is good, but without the cost. And I believe a tad more accurate. I just need more mags.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 24, 2022 07:23 PM (bgJ0E)

71 "Prominent in there was the Ace of Spades. sra blaster ....."

I read that as the Ace of Spades bra blaster. LOL

Posted by: Tuna at July 24, 2022 07:23 PM (gLRfa)

72 19 Does everyone know what gun the mall defender used?
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter making trouble at July 24, 2022 07:05 PM (+4XNm)

I'm betting the one he trained with.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at July 24, 2022 07:23 PM (8C7+r)

73

National Thermal Engineer Day

Oh boy! I've been waiting for this.
[scurries off to fetch psychometric chart]

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 24, 2022 07:23 PM (FJCnW)

74 Gun review: I took my new Sig P365XL to the range yesterday. It was my first range trip in, oh, maybe 2 years. Yes, I consider that a mortal sin, and I confess and repent unreservedly. I said 20 Hail Clint Smiths in penance.
Long story short: I like it. Positives: my old eyes can pick up the big green tritium sight nicely. Grip is extremely comfortable and doesn't bite the hand like many smaller 9mms. I'll sandbag and bench rest it later, but for the moment it's "minute of bad guy" accurate.
Negatives: spare mags are expensive, and if you load 12 rounds it may cause difficulty chambering the first round (this may change after the break-in period).
I'm waiting for a Crossbreed appendix carry rig, since I intend on hiding this under a dress shirt in case my workplace gets targeted (a not improbable scenario).

Posted by: PabloD at July 24, 2022 07:23 PM (5AvQm)

75 So, apropos of nothing, but if the consensus of the gunthread were to be that sharon(willow's apprentice) really, really needs a Kimber Aegis Elite Custom OI

https://tinyurl.com/29jd3hzk

Well, then that advice would be hard to ignore.

Posted by: blaster at July 24, 2022 07:23 PM (6TxNR)

76 Been contemplating my mortality lately Mom and Dad are in their late 90s now and my daughter and son both (separately) called from where they are stationed in Europe to remind me that now I am 29+ I need to head back soon to MT to "take care of things" Things meaning 2 1/2 years of honey-dos backed up, & work at the property, & sorting/deposing of stuff, & and, and, and, & and... & then Giggles called and asked if I'd talked to the Liar about updating the will.

I am indulging in nostalgia somewhat, BTW, NOT depressed. Just, sober, despite the whisky in my jar

McGyver, Over

And

Posted by: McGyver at July 24, 2022 07:24 PM (mUYId)

77 So now I have an Ace of Spades pistol.
Posted by: blaster at July 24, 2022 07:18 PM (6TxNR)

Better than any of your original options!

Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 07:24 PM (SVBqo)

78 Posted by: StephanA at July 24, 2022 07:22 PM (q6ZCK)
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Howdy and welcome!

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 07:24 PM (0IeYL)

79 am adding the Eli Dicken drill to my practice. The report said a Glock nine mil - any idea which model?
Posted by: RI Red at July 24, 2022 07:22 PM

I've seen *one* report that said a 19. Zero info on which Gen, though, which says much about the sad state of what passes for journalism these days.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 24, 2022 07:25 PM (a3Q+t)

80 Nice 1911 Weasel!

Sweet AR TB24601!

Great shooting AHL!

Props to Eli for taking care of business.

Zepparella hotties rock!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 24, 2022 07:25 PM (R/m4+)

81 I do not see myself getting anything like a .32 caliber. But I do love the write ups A.H. Lloyd makes and the accompanying pictures. Must be why I have so many of his books. :-)

For my first wheel gun I would like to get a Ruger GP100 in .38, though CBD sent me an email with an attachment from Gun Tests, and they had 3 lovely Single Actions in 45 colt. Made me want to fill out the permission slip I need from the NYPD to purchase a handgun.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 24, 2022 07:14 PM (fe7in)
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Before you commit, compare the prices. The Undercoverette is very affordable when set against other platforms.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 07:25 PM (llXky)

82 Everything that I have seen concerning the hero of Greenwood mall says it was a Glock. 10 rounds in 15 seconds hitting 8 of 10.

Considering he probably had an adrenaline dump going and the distractions of the situation I would have to say IMHO opinion that was phenomenal shooting.
All the guys on Youtube who were demonstrating what he did were getting almost 10/10 on target but were no where in the conditions this kid was in. Bravo Sir, Bravo

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 24, 2022 07:25 PM (fe7in)

83 28 Does everyone know what gun the mall defender used?
Posted by: Anti

I seem to remember it started with G and ended in K.
He bought it as soon the laws changed allowing him to carry concealed.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 24, 2022 07:08 PM (riYIr)
All I'm getting (though have not seen LEO accounts yet) point to a Glock.

Posted by: Eromero at July 24, 2022 07:25 PM (0OP+5)

84 Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 24, 2022 07:23 PM (bgJ0E)
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Howdy, bro!

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 07:26 PM (0IeYL)

85 good for you, nurse, that 1.8 is quite respectable and well within Tueller-drill parameters.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra MAGA FTW ! at July 24, 2022 07:26 PM (oZtf9)

86 nurse is gonna have ya'll runnin-n-gunnin in October.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 24, 2022 07:26 PM (l6ok8)

87 Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 24, 2022 07:25 PM (R/m4+)
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'Bout covers it!

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 07:27 PM (0IeYL)

88 The Nation's Gunshow was here in DC this weekend. Well, Northern Virginia, actually. Because you can't actually sell guns in DC, Heller or no.

Anyway, aside from the HRR today, yesterday I bought some additional Glock compatible 33 rd funsticks for the EP9, and a couple of boxes of Hornady Critical Defense 135 grain Flexlocks to stock the self defense devices stashed around casa blaster.

Posted by: blaster at July 24, 2022 07:27 PM (6TxNR)

89 I can do minute of man at 40 yards with my 1911. However, I've got probably close to 10K rounds though my Kimber.

Given half a chance, I can probably do a head shot at 20 yards. (See: security guard shooting gunman in a TX church)

Again, though, lots of practice, on my part.

I might add, I can make the above shots at the range, but, under pressure, with someone shooting back? No idea, and hope I never have to find out.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at July 24, 2022 07:27 PM (5pTK/)

90 Also the columns shown in photos are closer than 40 yards.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter making trouble at July 24, 2022 07:22 PM (+4XNm)

That very well could be. I haven't examined things with my own Mark I, and am simply going off the provided information.

(Another bit of info in a moment.)

Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 07:27 PM (SVBqo)

91 >>> 75 So, apropos of nothing, but if the consensus of the gunthread were to be that sharon(willow's apprentice) really, really needs a Kimber Aegis Elite Custom OI

https://tinyurl.com/29jd3hzk

Well, then that advice would be hard to ignore.
Posted by: blaster at July 24, 2022 07:23 PM (6TxNR)

Pretty!

... but has Sharon had a test drive?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 24, 2022 07:27 PM (llON8)

92 Are thermal engineers the guys who invented long-johns??

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at July 24, 2022 07:27 PM (yikp0)

93 For those who may not like the .45acp experience every time they squeeze the tit
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 24, 2022 07:23 PM

That would be un-American, Sir!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 24, 2022 07:27 PM (a3Q+t)

94 yahoo posts articles about overweight bikini models and we get a good looking woman who liked cigars.

I again today looked at that pic of Lena Dunham in a bikini. And whoosh went everything I ate in the last 24 hours.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at July 24, 2022 07:28 PM (Ynyl9)

95 Accounts I read indicated that after Dicksen made one hit, he advanced on the target, closing the range.
So, straight out of combat training.

Posted by: gourmand du jour, partly cloudy clearing in the afternoon at July 24, 2022 07:28 PM (jTmQV)

96 Hey Weasel! I sent you a 'nuther item this afternoon.

Mauser vs Enfield.

I included photos of my basement gunsmithing.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 07:28 PM (llXky)

97 4 Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 24, 2022 07:23 PM (bgJ0E)
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Howdy, bro!
Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 07:26 PM (0IeYL)

Gidday! Looking at travel plans as we speak.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 24, 2022 07:29 PM (bgJ0E)

98 Better than any of your original options!
Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 07:24 PM (SVBqo)

Blued with the rosewood like grips is classic. But I saw the Deadman's Hand grips and I knew I was destined to own that pistol.

Posted by: blaster at July 24, 2022 07:29 PM (6TxNR)

99 Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 07:27 PM (SVBqo)

I would actually like my opinion to be wrong and it to be confirmed 40 yards. Makes it even more awesome.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter making trouble at July 24, 2022 07:29 PM (+4XNm)

100 yahoo posts articles about overweight bikini models and we get a good looking woman who liked cigars.

I again today looked at that pic of Lena Dunham in a bikini. And whoosh went everything I ate in the last 24 hours.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at July 24, 2022 07:28 PM (Ynyl9)
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Weird that the same people who are telling us we're going to have to eat bugs are also celebrating morbid obesity.

Why can't we just eat *them*?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 07:30 PM (llXky)

101 So, straight out of combat training.
Posted by: gourmand

Or in his case 'grandpa training' as grandpa taught him to shoot.

I continue to suspect Grandpa was combat trained though...

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 24, 2022 07:30 PM (riYIr)

102 81 Before you commit, compare the prices. The Undercoverette is very affordable when set against other platforms.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 07:25 PM

Not going to be purchasing a new firearm for a while. Other obligations. Will be putting towards ammo and if possible training. I will keep in mind your suggestions.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 24, 2022 07:30 PM (fe7in)

103 Why can't we just eat *them*?
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 07:30 PM (llXky)

NYT has you covered, with a column about it may be time to re-look at cannibalism.

Posted by: blaster at July 24, 2022 07:31 PM (6TxNR)

104 also, if no one mentioned this already, from twitchy:

Last night, great work by our public safety officers whom removed an Orbeez gun off of our streets.
These Bead Blasters shoot gel water beads propelled by a spring-loaded air pump, making them an air rifle. Air rifles are a violation in NYC & are unlawful to possess.
- NYPD 121st Precinct (@NYPD121Pct) July 22, 2022

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at July 24, 2022 07:31 PM (Ynyl9)

105 Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 07:12 PM (SVBqo)

Still amazing shooting but I am convinced it wasn't 40 yards. People were in front of him. Pace off 40 yards and imagine panic people in front of you. I don't think you would take the shot and would move closer . Also the columns shown in photos are closer than 40 yards.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter making trouble at July 24, 2022 07:22 PM

The police measured 120 feet form the first shot they saw on the video. Not saying every shot was at that range but they did the forensics and said his first shot was 120 feet from the perp.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 24, 2022 07:31 PM (bVYXr)

106 Weird that the same people who are telling us we're going to have to eat bugs are also celebrating morbid obesity.

Why can't we just eat *them*?
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 07:30 PM

Soon. There was an NYT article that said there's a time and place for cannibalism, and that time is now.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 24, 2022 07:31 PM (a3Q+t)

107 Low and to the right.

Low and to the right.

Posted by: zombie james garrison at July 24, 2022 07:31 PM (yikp0)

108 In a thread a couple of months ago folks were talking about Golden Retrievers ago where a few were bemoaning the Goldens docility and basic uselessness as a watchdog.

I mentioned that people might want to consider getting a mildly popular "hybrid" called a Golden Chow. They display a moderation of the characteristics of both breeds.

You don't see them around very much but in the video about breaking up dog fights, the "red" dog there is a Golden Chow, acting pretty much like they act.

Personally, I had one and I'm afraid that all the other dogs I've had take a back seat to her. The other owners I've met over the years pretty much agree.

There's a Fakebot group for enthusiasts.

Posted by: pawn at July 24, 2022 07:32 PM (wsHtO)

109 86 nurse is gonna have ya'll runnin-n-gunnin in October.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 24, 2022 07:26 PM

How about shuffle-n-gunnin? Running is out of the question. :-p

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 24, 2022 07:32 PM (fe7in)

110 Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 24, 2022 07:29 PM (bgJ0E)
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Excellent!

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 07:32 PM (0IeYL)

111 Everything that I have seen concerning the hero of Greenwood mall says it was a Glock. 10 rounds in 15 seconds hitting 8 of 10.

Considering he probably had an adrenaline dump going and the distractions of the situation I would have to say IMHO opinion that was phenomenal shooting.
All the guys on Youtube who were demonstrating what he did were getting almost 10/10 on target but were no where in the conditions this kid was in. Bravo Sir, Bravo

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 24, 2022 07:25 PM (fe7in)
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I can't but wonder (given the lack of info) if his first shots were to suppress the target while he advanced into a better position.

As for the ROF, I suck when I try slow fire. My natural cadence gets me in trouble with the DNR guys, which is why when I got to the state range I do single shots from the low ready, re-engaging each time. Otherwise I get gigged.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 07:33 PM (llXky)

112 My other gunshow purchase was a guy who was selling what must have been his display units of Pelican cases. Since in October I am going to be traveling with firearms to someplace where the stars at night are big and bright, the $200+ Vault for $125 was a worthwhile investment.

Posted by: blaster at July 24, 2022 07:33 PM (6TxNR)

113 That little dog is going to jack your ass up, old man. You best mind your manners.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at July 24, 2022 07:33 PM (0ocXn)

114 93 For those who may not like the .45acp experience every time they squeeze the tit
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 24, 2022 07:23 PM

That would be un-American, Sir!
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 24, 2022 07:27 PM (a3Q+t)

Yes, why yes it is. * Looks at Auto Ordnance 1911 and 1928 A1 on wall*

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 24, 2022 07:33 PM (bgJ0E)

115 Given that people - including people who are supposedly "trained" people - will empty an entire magazine from FOUR yards and not hit a damned thing, I'm still impressed that the dude who stopped the mall shooter got 8/10 hits. Whether he started popping rounds from 40 or 39 yards or 20 yards doesn't really change the level of awesomeness too much.

Posted by: PabloD at July 24, 2022 07:34 PM (5AvQm)

116 (checks to make sure we're past 100)

Just saw this.

"John Metchie III, former Alabama WR, reveals he's been diagnosed with leukemia"

Superstar 2021 wide receiver. Healthier than I'd ever dream of being.

Did publicly-approved vaxxine PSAs for the state of Alabama to encourage us dumb hicks to get our injection.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Norway only has EVs because the government has guns at July 24, 2022 07:34 PM (gIwDN)

117 NYT has you covered, with a column about it may be time to re-look at cannibalism.

Posted by: blaster at July 24, 2022 07:31 PM (6TxNR)
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Well then, Eat the Rich it is.

Your rules.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 07:34 PM (llXky)

118 I think I saw a Chinese buffet once called Golden Chow.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 24, 2022 07:34 PM (r46W7)

119 Ben Had!

WE are going to have them runnin and gunnin.
Or as I like to say, shoot and scoot!

Whoofreakinghoo!

Posted by: nurse ratched at July 24, 2022 07:35 PM (U2p+3)

120 Shoot and scoot is a hoot!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at July 24, 2022 07:35 PM (5pTK/)

121 These mass shooters don't expect it when someone returns fire.
Posted by: gourmand du jour, partly cloudy clearing in the afternoon at July 24, 2022 07:18 PM (jTmQV)

Concur. Nutjob living in his video game world of zero pain 5 lives to recharge blah blah blah.

Hope he shit his pants when he saw his own blood running like the fatso chocolate fountain at the Golden Corral Buffet.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 24, 2022 07:35 PM (R/m4+)

122 NZFrank, you just made my week.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 24, 2022 07:36 PM (l6ok8)

123 I think I saw a Chinese buffet once called Golden Chow.
Posted by: Tom Servo

You didn't by chance check if there was a dog kennel in back did you?

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 24, 2022 07:36 PM (riYIr)

124 104 NYPD 121st Precinct (@NYPD121Pct) July 22, 2022

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at July 24, 2022 07:31 PM

That is the Precinct next to mine. Very sad that they would claim that as a "WIN". It is embarrassing.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 24, 2022 07:36 PM (fe7in)

125 That extra "And" is for And, I'm headed to Anchorage on Friday for a week. Any moron in AK wanna get together for drinks? or to swap lies or both?

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at July 24, 2022 07:36 PM (mUYId)

126 Our town sirens going off. I presume thunderstorm. I can never tell if it's lightning, strong winds or tornado.

Posted by: Ciampino - in Southern Illinois at July 24, 2022 07:37 PM (qfLjt)

127 The police measured 120 feet form the first shot they saw on the video. Not saying every shot was at that range but they did the forensics and said his first shot was 120 feet from the perp.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 24, 2022 07:31 PM (bVYXr)
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Which is fine. He sees a guy pulling a rifle and decides to fire a shot off at max range to disrupt the shooter while aggressively closing.

Now in cover at a better range, he drills the bastard.

Hero.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 07:37 PM (llXky)

128 The thing that tells me the guy's political persuasion is he put on a mask to protect his grandmother from Covid-19 before he began shooting strangers.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Norway only has EVs because the government has guns at July 24, 2022 07:37 PM (gIwDN)

129 Mmm. Golden chow.

Posted by: Barack Hussein 'I can use it now' 0bama at July 24, 2022 07:37 PM (yikp0)

130 Weasel, thank you very much for the WD video!! Her many, many fans appreciate it!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 24, 2022 07:37 PM (a3Q+t)

131 The gun was a 9mm starts with G ends with K.
I know Glocks are a touchy subject, but I still say, if I have to take a gun outside it ain't gonna be my treasured Kimber or other family heirloom, especially if I might have to quickly dismantle it and toss it down a manhole...

Posted by: gourmand du jour, partly cloudy clearing in the afternoon at July 24, 2022 07:38 PM (jTmQV)

132 I don't know it compares to the Springfield but my Rock Island GI Standard 45 acp has been a fine shooter. I wasn't looking for a tricked-out pistol, just what might have been issued during WW I. There's something about the GI versions that appeal to me. And the Rock Island is affordable.

Posted by: JTB at July 24, 2022 07:39 PM (7EjX1)

133 By the way, mall shooting, anyone know if the mall is posted, "Gun Free" zone?

If it is, it makes me wonder if the killer chose his killing zone due to not expecting anyone to shoot back.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at July 24, 2022 07:39 PM (5pTK/)

134 How about shuffle-n-gunnin? Running is out of the question. :-p
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 24, 2022 07:32 PM (fe7in)

Right there with you, wheezing and panting, Scoob!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at July 24, 2022 07:39 PM (v23vE)

135
g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 24, 2022 07:39 PM (ENBF0)

136 Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 24, 2022 07:37 PM (a3Q+t)
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Happy to do it, amigo. I'll put together some new content soon! Maybe a sparring match betwixt WD and Fun Size Joe.

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 07:39 PM (0IeYL)

137 In a Chinese restaurant I saw a sign in the restroom that said " All employees must wash hands before returning to Wok" - In Engrish and Chinese.

Posted by: kraken at July 24, 2022 07:39 PM (Vr12I)

138 Which is fine. He sees a guy pulling a rifle and decides to fire a shot off at max range to disrupt the shooter while aggressively closing.

*

It's insane to realize that we don't have any details, isn't it? No weapon confirmed, no ammo, no number of spare magazines, etc.

But Trump didn't do anything for 167 minutes when he wasn't president!
- the same media

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Norway only has EVs because the government has guns at July 24, 2022 07:39 PM (gIwDN)

139 Ciampino - where I grew up, they didn't blow the sirens for thunder; only for tornado warnings.
Not to be paranoid, but I would at least stay away from the windows and maybe hunker down in a basement until you can sort out what's happening.

Posted by: PabloD at July 24, 2022 07:39 PM (5AvQm)

140 Scuba dude, when you hit that 1K yard shot with .308, what type of round and optics were you using? Just got a .308 myself and plan on starting with 500 yards, but want to get to 1K at some point.

Posted by: hubcap at July 24, 2022 07:40 PM (/rIgL)

141 I bought a 6x scope and a bi-pod for the rifle that I've ignored for a year.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 24, 2022 07:40 PM (ybIRR)

142 OK, as to the bad guy, and his first victim....

I don't know how many others have seen the info, but his very first victim was carrying (likely concealed, though no one has said, yet). The bad guy shot him as bad guy was exiting the bathroom (where he had stashed his second rifle, apparently as the fallback point when the police arrived).

This is a prime case to remind you to 1) be in Condition Yellow if you're carrying, and 2) to ponder and possibly practice OTHER methods of self-defense than your firearm.

It is entirely possible a step-forward-and engage-the-firearm tactic would have worked. Drawing your weapon from concealment might not have worked initially, timing-wise. But being ready for physical contact or engagement at point-blank ranges is not something many people train for. And all that training would be pointless if you're not mentally prepared and AWARE of what's going on around you!

Have the mentality of a fighter. Be prepared mentally (like nurse with the homeless guy on the street corner). Think through scenarios in your head. Ponder the what-ifs.

Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 07:40 PM (SVBqo)

143 111 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 07:33 PM

Yeah, it stinks that most ranges will not let your practice drawing out of a holster unless you are a LEO.

I cannot do it at the outdoor range I belong to or the indoor one that is closer to home.

Very grateful I took Handgun 101 through 104 at the Sig Sauer Academy. 102 - 104 have your drawing and firing on every drill.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 24, 2022 07:40 PM (fe7in)

144 I've skipped the comments, so apologies...
I bought my first personal protection device: a Glock 42. I'm a pretty good shot at 5 feet, which is what I need to protect myself if an intruder gets into my house and bedroomed despite my house alarm. I will continue to practice at the range.

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at July 24, 2022 07:40 PM (REJkJ)

145 By the way, mall shooting, anyone know if the mall is posted, "Gun Free" zone?

If it is, it makes me wonder if the killer chose his killing zone due to not expecting anyone to shoot back.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at July 24, 2022 07:39 PM

Yes the mall was posted as a gun free zone. All Simon malls are gun free zones. There are multiple liberals calling for the hero to be charged with a felony for carrying in a "gun free" zone.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 24, 2022 07:41 PM (bVYXr)

146 A question for this august assembly.

Over the past few weeks we've seen a number of public threats issued by various leftist zealots threatening violence, particularly in response to Dobbs.

Yet other than property damage...not much.

Is it possible that Rittenhouse's acquittal after dropping two and maiming one has resulted in a crisis of morale in the Soros SA?

Does the swift resolution of the Indiana situation add to further demoralization?

I mean, it's all fun and games to smash the abandoned storefronts in Seattle and Portland, but those midwesterners don't take prisoners.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 07:41 PM (llXky)

147 re 133: I believe the mall did have 'gun free zone' type signs but they don't count for anything in Indiana.

but in NYC pop guns are considered assault type weapons. (see what I posted above at 104)

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at July 24, 2022 07:41 PM (Ynyl9)

148 I have a Ruger SR22 that choked after about 300 rounds. No firing pin contact on the rim. I contacted Ruger and they asked me to send it in. It also turned out my serial number range had a recall for a trigger/safety/decocker problem.

They emailed me a 2 day prepaid FedEx label. I packed it and dropped it at a FedEx store on Thursday. Monday I got confirmation of receipt advising it could be ten days.

Wednesday I got notice that it was done and being returned 2 day FedEx. I signed for it at my front door at 10am Friday.

I wasn't thrilled I had a problem, but I'm impressed with the customer service. We're going to the range tomorrow.

Posted by: ChupaMe at July 24, 2022 07:41 PM (/8qXu)

149 Why can't we just eat *them*?
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 07:30 PM (llXky)

I will only eat the vegans. Because I like grass-fed.

Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 07:41 PM (SVBqo)

150 Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at July 24, 2022 07:40 PM (REJkJ)
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Howdy and welcome to the Gun Thread!

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 07:42 PM (0IeYL)

151 he police measured 120 feet form the first shot they saw on the video. Not saying every shot was at that range but they did the forensics and said his first shot was 120 feet from the perp.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 24, 2022 07:31 PM (bVYXr)
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Which is fine. He sees a guy pulling a rifle and decides to fire a shot off at max range to disrupt the shooter while aggressively closing.
Now in cover at a better range, he drills the bastard.
Hero.
Posted by: F

it is fine before his stray hits somebody

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 07:42 PM (kIwYf)

152 Yes the mall was posted as a gun free zone. All Simon malls are gun free zones. There are multiple liberals calling for the hero to be charged with a felony for carrying in a "gun free" zone.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 24, 2022 07:41 PM (bVYXr)
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Then, most likely, guy specifically chose what he thought was a soft target.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at July 24, 2022 07:42 PM (5pTK/)

153 109 86 nurse is gonna have ya'll runnin-n-gunnin in October.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 24, 2022 07:26 PM

How about shuffle-n-gunnin? Running is out of the question. :-p

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 24, 2022 07:32 PM (fe7in)
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Is a walking stick okay or is a walker with tennis balls better for shuffling?

Posted by: Ciampino - when the legs are not in compliance at July 24, 2022 07:43 PM (qfLjt)

154 Also, he used one of those pillars in the food court for cover and as a brace.
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Interesting. I wondered if he had braced himself kneeling behind a Food Court table.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at July 24, 2022 07:43 PM (yikp0)

155 Back in February there was a guy carrying an AR and wearing a leather spiked mask around the Macy's in the Galleria . Call went out and off duty cop working security spotted him but did not pull his weapon as there was a little dance competition going on. Was able to get out of guys line of sight and Dick Butkused him ( that's for the 29 year olds). He had 120 rounds of ammo on him too.
Guy was arrested but only misdemeanor because he never fired a shot.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter making trouble at July 24, 2022 07:43 PM (+4XNm)

156 75 So, apropos of nothing, but if the consensus of the gunthread were to be that sharon(willow's apprentice) really, really needs a Kimber Aegis Elite Custom OI

https://tinyurl.com/29jd3hzk

Well, then that advice would be hard to ignore.
Posted by: blaster at July 24, 2022 07:23 PM (6TxNR)
that's the perfect accessory for you.

Posted by: Eromero at July 24, 2022 07:43 PM (0OP+5)

157 Last night, great work by our public safety officers whom removed an Orbeez gun off of our streets.

Top. Men.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 24, 2022 07:44 PM (Xrfse)

158 Because I like grass-fed.
Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 07:41 PM

* looks around nervously *

Posted by: Willie Nelson at July 24, 2022 07:44 PM (a3Q+t)

159 133 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at July 24, 2022 07:39 PM

Yes, the mall was a "Gun Free" zone. Thank goodness the hero ignored it, the piece of shit (that is the name of every mass shooter from now on) sure did not follow it.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 24, 2022 07:44 PM (fe7in)

160 In Phoenix in the 60's they would test the sirens at noon every Saturday, and we didn't get storms or tornados. The city said flat out "no this is so you'll know when the nuclear missiles are headed our way."

I still think that whenever I hear them.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 24, 2022 07:44 PM (r46W7)

161 Is it possible that Rittenhouse's acquittal after dropping two and maiming one has resulted in a crisis of morale in the Soros SA?

Does the swift resolution of the Indiana situation add to further demoralization?

I mean, it's all fun and games to smash the abandoned storefronts in Seattle and Portland, but those midwesterners don't take prisoners.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 07:41 PM (llXky)

We should be so lucky, AHL. Maybe even blue citizens are tired of the natural results of criminal justice "reform" as practiced by Soros' minions with JDs.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at July 24, 2022 07:45 PM (v23vE)

162 134 Right there with you, wheezing and panting, Scoob!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at July 24, 2022 07:39 PM

I can hear my knees going "Are you effing kidding me?"

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 24, 2022 07:45 PM (fe7in)

163 We ARE going to have a shoot and scoot course at the TXMoMe. If you want to have drawing from a holster as part of it speak up now.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 24, 2022 07:45 PM (l6ok8)

164 I've seen one picture of the terrorist's purported weapons. If accurate, it appears to be an *exact* clone of the Uvalde shooter's weapon (a Daniel Defense rifle, with same-same optical sight, foregrip, and Magpul 40 round magazine).
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On one of Insty's knockoff ONTs, someone linked a stitched photo of them being the same weapons using cop photos.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at July 24, 2022 07:45 PM (yikp0)

165 also, I recall reading that the guy who shot up that movie theater in Colorado (Aurora..?) years ago seems to have chosen that theater because it was the only one of five or six in the area that clearly said "no guns allowed"

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at July 24, 2022 07:45 PM (Ynyl9)

166 There a nasty looking cell in SE IL that is throwing off tornado signatures on doppler radar.

Posted by: pawn at July 24, 2022 07:46 PM (wsHtO)

167 Instead of run n gun, shuffle n shoot?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at July 24, 2022 07:46 PM (5pTK/)

168 ack in February there was a guy carrying an AR and wearing a leather spiked mask around the Macy's in the Galleria . Call went out and off duty cop working security spotted him but did not pull his weapon as there was a little dance competition going on. Was able to get out of guys line of sight and Dick Butkused him ( that's for the 29 year olds). He had 120 rounds of ammo on him too.
Guy was arrested but only misdemeanor because he never fired a shot.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter m

in fairness, if he was just open carryring and not violating any laws it was nobody elses business.

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 07:46 PM (kIwYf)

169 Yes the mall was posted as a gun free zone. All Simon malls are gun free zones. There are multiple liberals calling for the hero to be charged with a felony for carrying in a "gun free" zone.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 24, 2022 07:41 PM (bVYX

Unfortunately the first guy he shot was also carrying but never had a chance to draw his weapon. He was shot when he met the shooter coming out of the bathroom.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter making trouble at July 24, 2022 07:46 PM (+4XNm)

170 As I stated on another thread, it's odd how I only see those "this is a gun-free zone" signs on my way OUT of the business, but never on the way in.

Posted by: PabloD at July 24, 2022 07:46 PM (5AvQm)

171 I have a Bug-A-Salt, that you pump like a shotgun (probably a heavy spring), and it shoots a bit of salt, to kill flies ect.

I killed a roach with it today.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 24, 2022 07:47 PM (ybIRR)

172 There are multiple liberals calling for the hero to be charged with a felony for carrying in a "gun free" zone.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 24, 2022 07:41 PM (bVYXr)

Except in Indiana, it seems all he could be charged with is misdemeanor trespass for carrying where it's posted gun-free. That is part of the constitutional carry package they passed recently, I believe.

Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 07:47 PM (SVBqo)

173 In Phoenix in the 60's they would test the sirens at noon every Saturday, and we didn't get storms or tornados. The city said flat out "no this is so you'll know when the nuclear missiles are headed our way."

I still think that whenever I hear them.
Posted by: Tom Servo

I always look around for 6 minutes...

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 24, 2022 07:47 PM (riYIr)

174 92 Are thermal engineers the guys who invented long-johns??

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at July 24, 2022 07:27 PM (yikp0)
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Menopausal engineers?

Posted by: Ciampino - always bitching about the heat at July 24, 2022 07:47 PM (qfLjt)

175
Yes, the mall was a "Gun Free" zone. Thank goodness the hero ignored it, the piece of shit (that is the name of every mass shooter from now on) sure did not follow it.
Posted by: S

in fairness, when you get to tx, that is a bad attitude.

words have meaning.

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 07:47 PM (kIwYf)

176 i own both the Springfield Armory GI (WWII M1911A) and the MilSpec. The MilSpec has a larger, flared ejection port and white dot sights.

Posted by: butch at July 24, 2022 07:47 PM (QhceL)

177 re 161 etc: one can only hope that the next time a riot breaks out in a Black neighborhood, locals will come out and use bats and 2x4 to put an end to it. Go trash your own neighborhood, whitey.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at July 24, 2022 07:47 PM (Ynyl9)

178 For those who may not like the .45acp experience every time they squeeze the tit, there are 9mm versions. I picked up a Star Model B in 9mm that is basically a 1911, except for a few small internals. The look and feel is good, but without the cost. And I believe a tad more accurate. I just need more mags.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 24, 2022 07:23 PM (bgJ0E)

Concur. I love Spanish arms and pistols especially. I have the Model B, Super B and BM, all 1911 clones and a few Astra 600 and 400 types. Some in 9mm Largo and some in 9mm Luger.

The BM is my favorite and has a proven combat record with the South African Defense Forces when they were whooping Cuban ass in the bush.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 24, 2022 07:47 PM (R/m4+)

179 140 Posted by: hubcap at July 24, 2022 07:40 PM

Hi, I was shooting Federal Gold Medal Sierra Matchking 168 grain and I have a Vortex StrikeEagle 4-24x50 scope.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 24, 2022 07:47 PM (fe7in)

180 in fairness, if he was just open carryring and not violating any laws it was nobody elses business.
Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 07:46 PM (kIwYf)

In what bizarre world do you live where that's nobody's business.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter making trouble at July 24, 2022 07:48 PM (+4XNm)

181 163 We ARE going to have a shoot and scoot course at the TXMoMe. If you want to have drawing from a holster as part of it speak up now.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 24, 2022 07:45 PM (l6ok

I vote 'aye', ma'am. Train like you fight.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at July 24, 2022 07:48 PM (v23vE)

182 it is fine before his stray hits somebody

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 07:42 PM

And in this case no one except the shooter was hit, and the shooter was cocked, locked and loaded with 100 rounds in an AR 15 platform ready to kill as many unarmed people as he could.

We can Monday quarterback all we want to, but this kid took out a rifle armed shooter with a pistol and engaged him starting at 40 yards with zero collateral damage and managed to put 8 out of 10 shots on target in less than 15 seconds. I know for a fact that I could not do that and I practice every week.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 24, 2022 07:48 PM (bVYXr)

183 Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 24, 2022 07:47 PM (ybIRR)
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We featured the Bug-a-Salt here a few weeks back!

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 07:48 PM (0IeYL)

184 Yes, the mall was a "Gun Free" zone.

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If you can carry, carry.

If you can't carry, carry.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Norway only has EVs because the government has guns at July 24, 2022 07:48 PM (gIwDN)

185 95 Accounts I read indicated that after Dicksen made one hit, he advanced on the target, closing the range.
So, straight out of combat training.
Posted by: gourmand du jour, partly cloudy clearing in the afternoon at July 24, 2022 07:
That right there.

Posted by: Eromero at July 24, 2022 07:48 PM (0OP+5)

186 re 171: I am still proud of how my cat one day caught a fly and ate it.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at July 24, 2022 07:49 PM (Ynyl9)

187 In what bizarre world do you live where that's nobody's business.
Posted by: Anti doesn't

in what bizarro world do you live where you want open carry but do not want anybody to open carry?

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 07:49 PM (kIwYf)

188 it is fine before his stray hits somebody

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 07:42 PM (kIwYf)

Sounds like somebody has a case of the Mondays...

Posted by: blaster at July 24, 2022 07:49 PM (6TxNR)

189 I like the idea of a snubby 32 magnum in place of a 38 special for the reasons AHL mentioned. And I love the 32 magnum and long cartridges. But I know what I can do with my snubby 38s, I'm used to my pinky hanging off the grip, and recoil is not a factor so I'm not tempted to switch.

For a first-time owner or smaller shooter, the 32 mag would be a fine choice: easy recoil, revolver simplicity, and lots of potential accuracy.

Posted by: JTB at July 24, 2022 07:49 PM (7EjX1)

190 Hi, I was shooting Federal Gold Medal Sierra Matchking 168 grain and I have a Vortex StrikeEagle 4-24x50 scope.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 24, 2022 07:47 PM (fe7in)
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168s or 175s?

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 07:50 PM (0IeYL)

191 As I stated on another thread, it's odd how I only see those "this is a gun-free zone" signs on my way OUT of the business, but never on the way in.

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Find the stores that aren't posted but have mall entrances. Bath and body works, dicks, etc. It might take a few minutes but it is worth it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Norway only has EVs because the government has guns at July 24, 2022 07:50 PM (gIwDN)

192 We can Monday quarterback all we want to, but this kid took out a rifle armed shooter with a pistol and engaged him starting at 40 yards with zero collateral damage and managed to put 8 out of 10 shots on target in less than 15 seconds. I know for a fact that I could not do that and I practice every week.
Posted by: M

in fairness, it was a good thing he did what he did but should not be instructive of what to do

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 07:50 PM (kIwYf)

193 Except in Indiana, it seems all he could be charged with is misdemeanor trespass for carrying where it's posted gun-free. That is part of the constitutional carry package they passed recently, I believe.
Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 07:47 PM (SVBqo)

I read that the sign in general held no weight of law and that the law listed specific locations where you could not carry. I don't know if Malls on that list.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter making trouble at July 24, 2022 07:50 PM (+4XNm)

194 my state has relatively few gun-free-zone signs to start with, and the law treats it as misdemeanor trespassing.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra MAGA FTW ! at July 24, 2022 07:50 PM (oZtf9)

195 Is a walking stick okay or is a walker with tennis balls better for shuffling?
Posted by: Ciampino - when the legs are not in compliance at July 24, 2022 07:43 PM (qfLjt)

If it's a sword cane....

Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 07:51 PM (SVBqo)

196 ok, I gots stuffs to do. later.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at July 24, 2022 07:51 PM (Ynyl9)

197 172 There are multiple liberals calling for the hero to be charged with a felony for carrying in a "gun free" zone.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 24, 2022 07:41 PM (bVYXr)

Except in Indiana, it seems all he could be charged with is misdemeanor trespass for carrying where it's posted gun-free. That is part of the constitutional carry package they passed recently, I believe.
Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 07:47 PM (SVBqo)

Apparently they have to ask you to leave before they can even charge you with trespassing, which didn't happen in this case. The Indy Star even had a (presumably blue-haired) lawprof weigh in: https://tinyurl.com/548ybhaf

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at July 24, 2022 07:51 PM (v23vE)

198 Hello Weasel and horde! Off to read the content...

Posted by: Ed L at July 24, 2022 07:51 PM (/lmRp)

199 Posted by: Ed L at July 24, 2022 07:51 PM (/lmRp)
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Howdy Ed L!

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 07:52 PM (0IeYL)

200 We can all sleep a little more safely tonight.

NYPD 121st Precinct@NYPD121Pct
Last night, great work by our public safety officers whom removed an Orbeez gun off of our streets.
These Bead Blasters shoot gel water beads propelled by a spring-loaded air pump, making them an air rifle. Air rifles are a violation in NYC & are unlawful to possess.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now the Summer of Our Discontent at July 24, 2022 07:52 PM (FVME7)

201 it is fine before his stray hits somebody

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 07:42 PM (kIwYf)

Sounds like somebody has a case of the Mondays...
Posted by: b

why, that we discuss what he did and suggest that it was a good thing but dangerous is sort of the smart thing to do. had his rounds hit bystanders nobody would be saying he is a hero, even though he did a good thing.

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 07:52 PM (kIwYf)

202 163 If you want to have drawing from a holster as part of it speak up now.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 24, 2022 07:45 PM

**Raises Hand** I would not mind that if I can get away from rifle range. :-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 24, 2022 07:52 PM (fe7in)

203 I certainly hope that young man, Mr. Dicksen, gets to lead a normal life for the rest of his life, with much less drama.
And with that, I am outta here.
I'm gonna call my friend with the harmonica and tell her she was featured on this page. She would get a kick out of that, her mindset being 180 degrees opposite and all... Later!

Posted by: gourmand du jour, partly cloudy clearing in the afternoon at July 24, 2022 07:52 PM (jTmQV)

204 I bought my first personal protection device: a Glock 42. I'm a pretty good shot at 5 feet, which is what I need to protect myself if an intruder gets into my house and bedroomed despite my house alarm. I will continue to practice at the range.
Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at July 24, 2022 07:40 PM

The 42 is a fine choice. It's very concealable, so you may wish to consider using it for protection outside the home, as well.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 24, 2022 07:52 PM (a3Q+t)

205 Unfortunately the first guy he shot was also carrying but never had a chance to draw his weapon. He was shot when he met the shooter coming out of the bathroom.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter making trouble at July 24, 2022 07:46 PM (+4XNm)
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She Equips Herself has an excellent video about condition yellow and gives some really good tips on do's an don't when carrying. Weasel linked to the video a while back, year ago, maybe?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at July 24, 2022 07:53 PM (5pTK/)

206 in fairness, it was a good thing he did what he did but should not be instructive of what to do

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 07:50 PM

Serious question, why not?

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 24, 2022 07:54 PM (bVYXr)

207 If you want to have drawing from a holster as part of it speak up now.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 24, 2022 07:45 PM

Especially if doing that, some ROs will be needed.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 24, 2022 07:54 PM (a3Q+t)

208 So, apropos of nothing, but if the consensus of the gunthread were to be that sharon(willow's apprentice) really, really needs a Kimber Aegis Elite Custom OI

https://tinyurl.com/29jd3hzk

Well, then that advice would be hard to ignore.
Posted by: blaster at July 24, 2022 07:23 PM (6TxNR)
that's the perfect accessory for you.
Posted by: Eromero
You shouldn't encourage him. You have no idea how many hours it took to try and find one where I could actually see it and it is a bit pricey at $1400.
However, it is a very handsome looking weapon and I'm pretty sure I have a pair of shoes to match.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 24, 2022 07:54 PM (Y+l9t)

209 Thanks Weasel! I'm committed alright! LOL

Posted by: TB24601 at July 24, 2022 07:55 PM (LTVjY)

210 I am still wondering where Weasel acquired a box of penguin turds. Is he hiding something there on the "farm"? ;-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 24, 2022 07:55 PM (fe7in)

211 Eli done real good. End of story.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 24, 2022 07:55 PM (Xrfse)

212 However, it is a very handsome looking weapon and I'm pretty sure I have a pair of shoes to match.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 24, 2022 07:54 PM (Y+l9t)
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Hah!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at July 24, 2022 07:55 PM (5pTK/)

213 131 The gun was a 9mm starts with G ends with K.
I know Glocks are a touchy subject, but I still say, if I have to take a gun outside it ain't gonna be my treasured Kimber or other family heirloom, especially if I might have to quickly dismantle it and toss it down a manhole...
Posted by: gourmand du jour, partly cloudy clearing in the afternoon at July 24, 2022 07:38 PM (jTmQV)
Ahhhaaahhh! They're like popcorn. Ubiquitous. Cheap. Reliable. Dependable. What?

Posted by: Eromero at July 24, 2022 07:56 PM (0OP+5)

214 But I know what I can do with my snubby 38s, I'm used to my pinky hanging off the grip, and recoil is not a factor so I'm not tempted to switch.

Posted by: JTB at July 24, 2022 07:49 PM (7EjX1)
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I'm with you on that. Still love my .38 and I originally bought the .32 because I was curious about it.

But the difference in handling is undeniable.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 07:57 PM (llXky)

215 Another great gun thread Weasel! As for the Virginia weather, welcome to Texas!

Posted by: Rancherbob at July 24, 2022 07:57 PM (gtu9W)

216 Serious question, why not?
Posted by: M

in fairness, if the info that he was firing at 40 yards, that was unwise for him and those around him. it is very fortunate that the gov in his city as treated his actions as they have. however, had he hit a bystander nobody would be thoughtful enough to say "sure he hit a bystander by he saved dozens."

they would hang his ass and him.

he had no obligation to do anything and since there was no immediate threat to him he should have closed before firing.

he did a good thing but if it had gone any other way than it did he would not be a hero

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 07:58 PM (kIwYf)

217 Protecting my loved ones, and others, from getting gunned down is worth losing my Kimber over.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at July 24, 2022 07:58 PM (5pTK/)

218 Yes the mall was posted as a gun free zone. All Simon malls are gun free zones. There are multiple liberals calling for the hero to be charged with a felony for carrying in a "gun free" zone.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 24, 2022 07:41 PM (bVYXr)

Some States may differ but a "gun free" zone means diddly squat on private property. If by chance someone was found to be armed, how I don't know, all the owner can do is ask you to leave.

Government property is different, which is why I avoid their property when I can.

Of course, local laws do vary. Call your attorney for clarification but carry regardless.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 24, 2022 07:58 PM (R/m4+)

219 190 168s or 175s?

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 07:50 PM

As stated, 168gr

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 24, 2022 07:58 PM (fe7in)

220 Visited a penguin sanctuary down in Argentina. The penguins did not fear humans. But they did not like you getting into their personal space. Walk up and they were okay. At about 3 feet they would turn their back to you. At two they would launch foul green and yellow liquid shit that would close the gap. Sounded like a partly empty squeeze mustard container.

Posted by: blaster at July 24, 2022 07:59 PM (6TxNR)

221 I'm a pretty decent shot and I'm not sure I'd have engaged at 40 yards because of the possibility of collateral damage to bystanders. That's somewhat mitigated by the fact the shooter was in the process of creating a lot of his own damage to innocent bystanders. I can see both arguments. I think it's the sort of decision you make when you are there, have a weapon, and know how to use it.

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 07:59 PM (0IeYL)

222 For those of you wanting to practice drawing from a holster, please, if you've not done it before practice in front of the mirror.

Unload and clear your weapon. Have the ammo in another room.
Holster it.
Practice slowly drawing with your finger OFF the trigger.
Point your weapon
Then put your finger on The trigger

Go slow. Develop muscle memory.
I've done this literally hundreds of times and need to do it hundreds more. I feel slightly less uncomfortable now. May even start to feel competent at some point.

Posted by: nurse ratched at July 24, 2022 07:59 PM (U2p+3)

223 I'm a crooked cuck named Eric. Not like that other crooked cuck named Eric.

Vote for Eric.

Donate to Eric.

This Eric. Me. Not that other Eric. Did I mention the donations? Anyway... The donations are super important. Make sure you do that. Democrats are afraid of donors like you.

Posted by: Eric at July 24, 2022 07:59 PM (yg0V4)

224 "Positives: my old eyes can pick up the big green tritium sight nicely."

I switched out a lot of my sights to the Trijicon HD Night sights. Expensive but worth it. I also bought another slide for the P365 so I could mount an RMR. Again, expensive and takes some retraining. But week worth it and easy on the eyes.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 24, 2022 07:59 PM (TiOvb)

225 Some States may differ but a "gun free" zone means diddly squat on private property. If by chance someone was found to be armed, how I don't know, all the owner can do is ask you to leave.

not in tx

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 07:59 PM (kIwYf)

226
Especially if doing that, some ROs will be needed.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 24, 2022 07:54 PM (a3Q+t)
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Agreed.

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 07:59 PM (0IeYL)

227 I have a CZ Scorpion pistol and it is my favorite.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 24, 2022 08:00 PM (ybIRR)

228 How close to the perp was the nearest bystander?

Posted by: davidt at July 24, 2022 08:00 PM (oTZbj)

229 I have a CZ Scorpion pistol and it is my favorite.
Posted by: B

sigh

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 08:00 PM (kIwYf)

230 Posted by: Rancherbob at July 24, 2022 07:57 PM (gtu9W)
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Howdy RancherBob! Yeah, no kidding!

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 08:00 PM (0IeYL)

231 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 24, 2022 07:47 PM (fe7in)

Thanks a bunch. Will include a range report after I test things out.

Posted by: hubcap at July 24, 2022 08:01 PM (/rIgL)

232 How close to the perp was the nearest bystander?
Posted by: d

define bystander?

he was with his gf and he shoved her into cover before firing

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 08:01 PM (kIwYf)

233 Duncanthrax, that was the first priority we covered.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 24, 2022 08:01 PM (l6ok8)

234 Is the Texas MoMe in October again?

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 24, 2022 08:02 PM (ybIRR)

235 Thanks for the thread Weasel.

I started practicing with my 1911 at 40 yards. Eli is an inspiration. I've never shot it an anything that far away. First take, I get only half my shots on target at that range. Man sized target. Not in Eli's league but better than I feared.

Posted by: Muad'dib at July 24, 2022 08:02 PM (sKIIv)

236 Everyone is impressed with Eli's shooting in the mall, taking out that misguided punk with all due speed and accuracy.
The rational mind wants to say training and good tactics etc, but there's another option which is just as likely.
We've seen it before in a very public shooting just recently and yes, I mean Rittenhouse.

Could be there was a guiding hand in both those cases making their shots count and their misses count too.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at July 24, 2022 08:02 PM (MFphb)

237 in fairness, it is similar to the rittenhouse thing, was he wrong is different than would you advise your friends and family to do what he did.

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 08:02 PM (kIwYf)

238 Weird that the same people who are telling us we're going to have to eat bugs are also celebrating morbid obesity.

Why can't we just eat *them*?
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 07:30 PM

Soon. There was an NYT article that said there's a time and place for cannibalism, and that time is now.
Posted by: Duncanthrax

People - It's the new "bush meat" - from the concrete jungle to your pot.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 24, 2022 08:02 PM (p69ur)

239 Anyone have any experience/opinion on the Sako S20?

I can get one at an attractive price, but the split rail means an extra $150 or more to get an attachment rail that bridges them to get an additional 20 or 30 MOA (zero MOA, otherwise), AND then you apparently have to use their proprietary rings (which are reported to be of good quality). For all that fussing, it may be worth moving up a bit to a Tikka T3x.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 24, 2022 08:02 PM (a3Q+t)

240 For those of you wanting to practice drawing from a holster, please, if you've not done it before practice in front of the mirror.

Posted by: nurse ratched at July 24, 2022 07:59 PM (U2p+3)
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Snap caps are also useful. If you're carrying with the chamber empty, make that part of your draw drill.

Draw, chamber, fire, clear.

Heck, snap caps are just a good idea in general.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 08:02 PM (llXky)

241 in what bizarro world do you live where you want open carry but do not want anybody to open carry?
Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 07:49 PM (kIwYf)

The spiked mask thing sort of says "Danger here." At some point, you have to be able to say "Hey, buddy. You got your rights and all, but you're making people really nervous." And a righteous carrier would talk it out instead of freaking out and yelling about the 2d Amendment and such.

There ARE people with guns who have very bad attitudes. They do not help the progress of the gun rights movement, generally.

Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 08:02 PM (SVBqo)

242
The BM is my favorite and has a proven combat record with the South African Defense Forces when they were whooping Cuban ass in the bush.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 24, 2022 07:47 PM (R/m4+)
Yep the Spanish can make very nice pew pews. Like the early CETME rifles.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 24, 2022 08:02 PM (bgJ0E)

243 he did a good thing but if it had gone any other way than it did he would not be a hero
Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 07:58 PM (kIwYf)

Fortune favors the bold.

Posted by: blaster at July 24, 2022 08:03 PM (6TxNR)

244 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 24, 2022 07:58 PM (fe7in)
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Oh, I thought I remembered you changing to 175s before moving out to 1000. Must've been thinking of something else.

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 08:03 PM (0IeYL)

245 Where will the tex mome be? Not exact co-ords, just a general area idea please. I had call from a former employer last night, she has moved to a new Corp. and is asking if I'd like to fly down, meet the headmasters, and explore options with them, I'd still live here, just travel several days a month elsewhere, showing their flag, working their will, shooting their varmints... paychecks would come from there... if I agree I might could perhaps sneak in the Mome trip, enroute to/from home office in Houston.

Posted by: Birddog at July 24, 2022 08:03 PM (uAI4S)

246 The gunman had shot 5 people before Elisjsha took him down. Most likely, the chance of collateral damage by Elisjsha was mitigated, due to people running away or hitting the deck. I'ts not like people were going to be standing around the murderer, waiting for him to shoot them.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at July 24, 2022 08:03 PM (5pTK/)

247 231 Thanks a bunch. Will include a range report after I test things out.

Posted by: hubcap at July 24, 2022 08:01 PM

Good Luck!!! And check out the past month or so of the Gun Thread. Weasel put a LOT of information out there on long distance shooting.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 24, 2022 08:04 PM (fe7in)

248 Posted by: Muad'dib at July 24, 2022 08:02 PM (sKIIv)
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Good job! Practice, practice, practice!!

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 08:04 PM (0IeYL)

249 Could be there was a guiding hand in both those cases making their shots count and their misses count too.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at July 24, 2022 08:02 PM

Could there be a different 'guiding hand' that's setting these situations up in the first place?

* cue woo woo music *

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 24, 2022 08:05 PM (a3Q+t)

250 in fairness, it is similar to the rittenhouse thing, was he wrong is different than would you advise your friends and family to do what he did.

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 08:02 PM (kIwYf)
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Perhaps English is your second language but I have no idea what you are trying to say.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 08:05 PM (llXky)

251 Alright, I'll delurk for a little range report:
Took my 2 older boys (15 and 12) out to the nearby shooting area while we where up camping. Had my home-built 350 Legend AR, home-built 1911, wife's Browning 1911-380 and my 327 Mag Ruger LCR. Very first shots out of the AR where minute-of-badguy at 20 paces or so. With a simple carbine stock, you definitely feel the 350. They enjoyed the pistols and put up with a couple full-power loads from the magnum. Which are not usually bad, but I had my carry grip on.

Posted by: tRusty Hudson at July 24, 2022 08:05 PM (iJCGt)

252 The spiked mask thing sort of says "Danger here." At some point, you have to be able to say "Hey, buddy. You got your rights and all, but you're making people really nervous." And a righteous carrier would talk it out instead of freaking out and yelling about the 2d Amendment and such.

There ARE people with guns who have very bad attitudes. They do not help the progress of the gun rights movement, generally.
Posted by: G

"Hey, buddy. You got your rights and all, but you're making people really nervous."

in fairness, when the cops decide he is upsetting somebody around him they get to say no open carry? is there something that says no open carry with a face covering?

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 08:05 PM (kIwYf)

253 246 The gunman had shot 5 people before Elisjsha took him down. Most likely, the chance of collateral damage by Elisjsha was mitigated, due to people running away or hitting the deck. I'ts not like people were going to be standing around the murderer, waiting for him to shoot them.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/)

That's what I was getting at with my question at 228.

Posted by: davidt at July 24, 2022 08:05 PM (oTZbj)

254 Corsicana. Roughly

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 24, 2022 08:06 PM (r46W7)

255 Fortune favors the bold.

Posted by: blaster at July 24, 2022 08:03 PM (6TxNR)
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Who Dares Wins

Posted by: The SAS at July 24, 2022 08:06 PM (llXky)

256 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at July 24, 2022 08:03 PM (5pTK/)

According to the girlfriend through her grandmother, when he was closing he was waving people to get behind him.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter making trouble at July 24, 2022 08:06 PM (Dtccd)

257 Posted by: Birddog at July 24, 2022 08:03 PM (uAI4S)
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Corsicana, about an hour or so south of Dallas.

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 08:07 PM (0IeYL)

258 Go slow. Develop muscle memory.
I've done this literally hundreds of times and need to do it hundreds more. I feel slightly less uncomfortable now. May even start to feel competent at some point.
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 24, 2022 07:59 PM (U2p+3)

Excellent advice.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 24, 2022 08:07 PM (R/m4+)

259 Perhaps English is your second language but I have no idea what you are trying to say.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 08:05 PM (llXky)

In all fairness that's fair.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter making trouble at July 24, 2022 08:08 PM (Dtccd)

260 Bourbon Chicken, check the left side bar for dates and contact info.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 24, 2022 08:08 PM (l6ok8)

261 Perhaps English is your second language but I have no idea what you are trying to say.
Posted by: Fin fairness, this is going to be hard to do for you because the hq does not support pictures.

nobody would advise their friend that they should carry in a manner that is against the law and start throwing rounds at 40 yards.

simiarly nobody would advise friends or family that at 18 it is a good thing to go to a riot zone to do armed security for a few $.

that it is not necessarily wrong or illegal does not mean it is wise.

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 08:09 PM (kIwYf)

262 sigh
Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 08:00 PM (kIwYf)

Someone up the thread asked specifically about them. I appreciate the monk-like restraint and willpower with which you refrain from sperging a second time.

If you had asked me a year ago about sport utility pistols, I would have said what you said, the worst of both worlds. I discovered they are the =BEST= of both worlds. I will take it to the range again, I will have a blast, and you will not be invited.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 24, 2022 08:09 PM (ybIRR)

263 Hmm, Josie Wales is on.

Posted by: Infidel at July 24, 2022 08:09 PM (mn1Pi)

264 had his rounds hit bystanders nobody would be saying he is a hero, even though he did a good thing.
Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 07:52 PM (kIwYf)

It sounds like you got a sour persimmon for dinner. He didn't hit bystanders. So, it's likely he either had a bystander-free area behind the shooter* or he was good enough he didn't hit any with his all of 2 stray shots.

* It is very likely he had a collateral-damage-free background to the target. The guy was coming out of the food court bathrooms, and those are almost always down a hall where nobody hangs out. The first shot rang out from said hallway, and a lot of people near that hallway probably ducked.

Here's the thing, though - he did what was good and right AND HE DID IT WELL. So, that's something we should all strive for and work toward. Make this guy your standard for shooting at the range; look to get tactical training if you can, so you too can make those kinds of shots.

Don't nay-say what he did because it MIGHT have happened differently.

Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 08:09 PM (SVBqo)

265 Posted by: tRusty Hudson at July 24, 2022 08:05 PM (iJCGt)
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Howdy and welcome! Congratulations on delurking! Good job taking the boys shooting.

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 08:09 PM (0IeYL)

266
In all fairness that's fair.
Posted by: Anti doe

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 08:09 PM (kIwYf)

267 According to the girlfriend through her grandmother, when he was closing he was waving people to get behind him.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter making trouble at July 24, 2022 08:06 PM (Dtccd)
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Okay, now we're getting into Kristy Swanson territory.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 08:10 PM (llXky)

268 Is he hiding something there on the "farm"? ;-)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 24, 2022 07:55 PM (fe7in)

A stargate.

Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 08:10 PM (SVBqo)

269 By the way , the potential mall shooter in the Galleria was later arrested when he went to the FBI demanding to see the Director. They found a gun in his car. I don't know what became of him since.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter making trouble at July 24, 2022 08:11 PM (Dtccd)

270 Using a 3" x 5" card as the target is an excellent aid toward developing the capability useful in situations such as that mall.

And yes, it can be done at 40 yds.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 24, 2022 08:11 PM (a3Q+t)

271 That broken image is supposed to be a wink-face.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 24, 2022 08:11 PM (ybIRR)

272 Hmm, Josie Wales is on.
Posted by: Infidel at July 24, 2022 08:09 PM (mn1Pi)

Is that the one where he spits tobaccy juice on everyone?

I think Dean Wormer was in it too.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 24, 2022 08:11 PM (R/m4+)

273 Thanks as ever for gubs, Weasel.

Talking about weather here would just be divisive and invidious.

And sorry Weasel I dropped the ball, did not get my cigar review to you in a timely manner, as promised. Will have two for you this week. Another 100 push-ups, and some 30-06 brass prep, as penance.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 24, 2022 08:11 PM (OTzUX)

274 Mr. L and I live just north of Greenwood. Eli Dicken is a hero. How he did what he did is nothing short of a miracle. He will be on my prayer list as long as I am on this Earth.

Posted by: Mrs. Leggy at July 24, 2022 08:12 PM (Vf4Y7)

275 Just glad the young man had the presence of mind and the cajones to do what he did. We can debate the "what ifs" all evening but this one had the best possible outcome. Good enough for me.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 24, 2022 08:12 PM (Xrfse)

276 Okay, now we're getting into Kristy Swanson territory.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 08:10 PM (llXky)

She was on the phone with the girlfriend as it was going down.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter making trouble at July 24, 2022 08:12 PM (Dtccd)

277 Posted by: nurse ratched at July 24, 2022 07:59 PM (U2p+3)

^^What she said^^

Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 08:13 PM (SVBqo)

278 We really need a good debrief of the Indiana mall shooting from witnesses and Elisjsha.

I'd like to know, because there are always little things worth picking up on and learning from.

That said, I appreciate the local sheriff, or, was it the chief of police, coming right out and saying Elisjsha is a hero.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at July 24, 2022 08:13 PM (5pTK/)

279 Is that the one where he spits tobaccy juice on everyone?

I think Dean Wormer was in it too.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy

Don't remember, probably. Been a long, long time.

Grit TV. It's been raining and crappy all day.

Posted by: Infidel at July 24, 2022 08:13 PM (mn1Pi)

280 they would hang his ass and him.

he had no obligation to do anything and since there was no immediate threat to him he should have closed before firing.

he did a good thing but if it had gone any other way than it did he would not be a hero

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 07:58 PM

First of all none of us were there, so all we have is the police reports. The perp was shooting and literally killing people in the food court as soon as he came out of the bathroom when the good guy engaged him. The video shows him randomly shooting into the crowd at the food court.

But this is important, he took those shots and demonstrably saved countless lives. The police didn't show up for almost 10 minutes no matter what happened dozens of people would have been killed if not for the kid taking out the shooter.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 24, 2022 08:13 PM (bVYXr)

281 Posted by: rhomboid at July 24, 2022 08:11 PM (OTzUX)
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No worries, bro. It's why I don't generally include current news stuff often, but as long as everyone stays cool and respectful, it's all good.

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 08:13 PM (0IeYL)

282 It sounds like you got a sour persimmon for dinner. He didn't hit bystanders. So, it's likely he either had a bystander-free area behind the shooter* or he was good enough he didn't hit any with his all of 2 stray shots.
* It is very likely he had a collateral-damage-free background to the target. The guy was coming out of the food court bathrooms, and those are almost always down a hall where nobody hangs out. The first shot rang out from said hallway, and a lot of people near that hallway probably ducked.
Here's the thing, though - he did what was good and right AND HE DID IT WELL. So, that's something we should all strive for and work toward. Make this guy your standard for shooting at the range; look to get tactical training if you can, so you too can make those kinds of shots.
Don't nay-say what he did because it MIGHT have happened differently.
Posted by: G

ffs, I said that he did a good thing, that does not mean it was the smartest thing.
Are you suggesting that that is the standard you want trained to? Stand back at 40 yards and go? Suggesting that that is not the standard to teach and train to is the smart thing.
thinking is not nay saying

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 08:15 PM (8NXXj)

283 Hiya

Posted by: JT at July 24, 2022 08:15 PM (T4tVD)

284 I might could perhaps sneak in the Mome trip, enroute to/from home office in Houston.
Posted by: Birddog at July 24, 2022 08:03 PM

Houston to MoMe would be somewhere between 2.5 and 4.5 hours, depending on your starting point in the Houston area, and traffic.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 24, 2022 08:15 PM (a3Q+t)

285 Hiya Weasel !

Posted by: JT at July 24, 2022 08:15 PM (T4tVD)

286 263 Hmm, Josie Wales is on.
Posted by: Infidel

Watching Grit TV? A solid OTA network.

Posted by: Puddleglum at July 24, 2022 08:16 PM (sAmhv)

287 nobody would advise their friend that they should carry in a manner that is against the law and start throwing rounds at 40 yards.

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 08:09 PM (kIwYf)
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Yeah, I'm gonna stop you there because it wasn't against the law and that's been pointed out many times. All the mall could do was ask him to leave.

Let's contemplate this on a Himalayan mountaintop for a few years shall we? On the one hand, I could be asked to leave. Such shame. Or, I could save my life and the lives of others. Which is it, grasshopper?

With Rittenhouse, the issue wasn't what he did, but whether he should have been there. Once he was there, events dictated his actions. As one of my friends remarked, the only reason HE would have shown up was if a super-hot chick said that she and her also super-hot girlfriend needed him to defend their trendy coffee shop and they would be soooo grateful for his bravery and courage.

But not everyone is so tied to worldly concerns.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 08:16 PM (llXky)

288 First of all none of us were there, so all we have is the police reports. The perp was shooting and literally killing people in the food court as soon as he came out of the bathroom when the good guy engaged him. The video shows him randomly shooting into the crowd at the food court.

But this is important, he took those shots and demonstrably saved countless lives. The police didn't show up for almost 10 minutes no matter what happened dozens of people would have been killed if not for the kid taking out the shooter.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 24, 2022 08:13 PM (bVYXr)
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"None of us being there" being the operative phrase. Here was there, made the call, and took care of business. Good by me.

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 08:17 PM (0IeYL)

289 Hmm, Josie Wales is on.
Posted by: Infidel at July 24, 2022 08:09 PM (mn1Pi)

Is that the one where he spits tobaccy juice on everyone?

I think Dean Wormer was in it too.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 24, 2022 08:11 PM

Yes he is, dean wormer is the Yankee hired gun chasing josie wales.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 24, 2022 08:17 PM (bVYXr)

290 For those looking for online ammo, I have had good luck with canoeclubusa.com. Run by some SEALS. Great customer service. Since they are out of NV, there are probably better shipping prices for those on the west coast.

Posted by: hubcap at July 24, 2022 08:17 PM (/rIgL)

291 I am going to call it a night.

Thanks Weasel, this thread is a perfect end to the weekend.

Night All!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 24, 2022 08:17 PM (fe7in)

292 Weasel, that Springfield 1911A1 is a dead ringer for my Auto Ordnance 1911A1 after I changed out the grips from the plastic ones to a set of walnut double diamond originals. It even has the same scratch in the Parkerizing under the slide stop.
Unfortunately, it has the roughest trigger of any 1911 that I have ever used. Eventually I'll either take it to a gunsmith to try to correct it or relegate it permanently to the gun safe.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at July 24, 2022 08:17 PM (dVlo/)

293 Is he hiding something there on the "farm"? ;-)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 24, 2022 07:55 PM

Organic, free-range trees, but don't tell anyone; so far it's a concept unique to Weasel, and he'd like to keep his head start.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 24, 2022 08:17 PM (a3Q+t)

294 Don't remember, probably. Been a long, long time.
Grit TV. It's been raining and crappy all day.
Posted by: Infidel at July 24, 2022 08:13 PM (mn1Pi)

Ok...keep your eye out for the guy who did the ass rape scene with Ned Beatty in Deliverance.

I think he had a beard in The Outlaw Josie Wales" and was a blue belly. Bill Something or other...

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 24, 2022 08:18 PM (R/m4+)

295 "None of us being there" being the operative phrase. Here was there, made the call, and took care of business. Good by me.

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 08:17 PM

Concur, and that kid can shoot way better than I can.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 24, 2022 08:18 PM (bVYXr)

296 Posted by: JT at July 24, 2022 08:15 PM (T4tVD)
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Howdy! Howdy! Howdy!

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 08:18 PM (0IeYL)

297 I have a 32 Mag revolver - Ruger. I do like it, it seems like the sweet spot between power, weight and kick. I find it a little strange that it never really gained popularity.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 24, 2022 08:18 PM (8GBH4)

298 With Rittenhouse, the issue wasn't what he did, but whether he should have been there. Once he was there, events dictated his actions. As one of my friends remarked, the only reason HE would have shown up was if a super-hot chick said that she and her also super-hot girlfriend needed him to defend their trendy coffee shop and they would be soooo grateful for his bravery and courage.

But not everyone is so tied to worldly concerns.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 08:16 PM (llXky)
Well said. Poetry even.

Posted by: Eromero at July 24, 2022 08:19 PM (0OP+5)

299 First of all none of us were there, so all we have is the police reports. The perp was shooting and literally killing people in the food court as soon as he came out of the bathroom when the good guy engaged him. The video shows him randomly shooting into the crowd at the food court.

But this is important, he took those shots and demonstrably saved countless lives. The police didn't show up for almost 10 minutes no matter what happened dozens of people would have been killed if not for the kid taking out the shooter.
Posted by: M

in fairness, and? it is a good because he did not hit anybody. as I said, he did what was a good thing, however, even if he had hit the murderer, if he had hit a bystander, nobody would be saying "yeah, he hit a bystander but the murder hit three so "

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 08:19 PM (8NXXj)

300 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 24, 2022 08:17 PM (fe7in)
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Nite Scoob.

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 08:19 PM (0IeYL)

301 in fairness, when the cops decide he is upsetting somebody around him they get to say no open carry? is there something that says no open carry with a face covering?

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 08:05 PM (kIwYf)

Did you read the next sentence? About talking?
A citizen (even a cop) has every right to say something like that to you. Just like he has a right to ask you to turn your music down.

And a responsible citizen actually takes into account things like "making people nervous" when he exercises his rights. The drive to eliminate that self-governance is a huge part of the problem in our country today. A responsible citizen might retort with "I understand, and I plan on making my visit short. If you want to accompany so you make sure I don't do anything evil, I'm ok with that." (see? TALKING.)

Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 08:20 PM (SVBqo)

302 As for online ammo, I just ordered 1000 rounds of 124 gr Speer Lawman for $350 (+33? For shipping). Can't recall the name of the website, but it was within a dollar or two of other sites.
I have a reloaded and a bunch of supplies, but I sometimes want the factory-spec stuff.
The fact that I have to pay 35 cents/round for 9mm is nearly unfathomable.

Posted by: PabloD at July 24, 2022 08:20 PM (KabLM)

303 Happiness is a good wheel gun.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 24, 2022 08:20 PM (Xrfse)

304 I have a 32 Mag revolver - Ruger. I do like it, it seems like the sweet spot between power, weight and kick. I find it a little strange that it never really gained popularity.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 24, 2022 08:18 PM (8GBH4)
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We must spread the word so that the heavy hitters will make more ammo!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 08:20 PM (llXky)

305 I love different types of 9mm PCCs and will buy one any chance I get. One day i may try and get a stamp and a SMG . My expensive dream.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter making trouble at July 24, 2022 08:20 PM (Dtccd)

306 Yes he is, dean wormer is the Yankee hired gun chasing josie wales.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS)

Not a Yankee. He fought with Wales in the CW. He was forced to go after Wales because he was betrayed by the Yankees. It was go after Wales and kill him or Wales would go after him. Live by the feud and all that.

Posted by: Puddleglum at July 24, 2022 08:21 PM (sAmhv)

307 And Weasel yes I have the Mil-Spec 1911. Got it (slightly used, my preferred buying strategery, from a guy switching to 38 Super in a 1911) back when they just phased out the GI model (yours).

My dain bramaged memory wants to say there were 3 changes - lowered (bigger) ejection port, bigger sights, and curved mainspring housing (?). Of course the serrations at the rear of the slide were switched to "angled" from straight up/down. Something like that. I thought some of these changes were the last ones done by the military when the 1911 was still in service, but that could be completely wrong.

Anyway - love the 1911, kept it stock like everything I have. Trigger is still laughable compared to fancy shmancy competition triggers like the guys have at matches where I shoot, still heavy, but I will stick with my approach of "shooting it smoother" - if only to further rationalize more shootin' (always a good default position).

Posted by: rhomboid at July 24, 2022 08:21 PM (OTzUX)

308 that it is not necessarily wrong or illegal does not mean it is wise.
Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 08:09 PM (kIwYf)

This is correct about anything.
*now points to your comments about the dude with a rifle and spiked mask*

Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 08:21 PM (SVBqo)

309 Could be there was a guiding hand in both those cases making their shots count and their misses count too.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at July 24, 2022 08:02 PM

Could there be a different 'guiding hand' that's setting these situations up in the first place?

* cue woo woo music *
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 24, 2022 08:05 PM (a3Q+t)

Could be, only in that case there may be some not-so ham and eggers encouraging the miscreants.
Throw in a "mental health professional" and maybe some drugs and boom goes the dynomite, amirite, NSA BOB?

Posted by: OneEyedJack at July 24, 2022 08:21 PM (MFphb)

310 Posted by: PabloD at July 24, 2022 08:20 PM (KabLM)

That's the price at Academy Sports for similar quality.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter making trouble at July 24, 2022 08:22 PM (Dtccd)

311 1911 on the first gun pic! Yes!!!!

Posted by: Brometheus at July 24, 2022 08:22 PM (Y4de+)

312 Dean Wormer was also the mayor in Dirty Harry.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 24, 2022 08:22 PM (ybIRR)

313 in fairness, and? it is a good because he did not hit anybody. as I said, he did what was a good thing, however, even if he had hit the murderer, if he had hit a bystander, nobody would be saying "yeah, he hit a bystander but the murder hit three so "
Posted by: c

In fairness, you've argued the same "what if?" point several times now. We get it. And?? Doesn't change anything.

Glad the kid punched asshoe's ticket.

Posted by: JQ at July 24, 2022 08:22 PM (dpnJh)

314 Ben Had,

If I can put in my two cents for the "shoot and scoot" course, how about having something like the guys on the "9 Hole Reviews" You Tube channel have for their "Close Range Practical Accuracy" course? It has the following stations:

Station 1: Deploy weapon. Two targets, 7 yards.
Station 2: Shoot on the move. One target, 7 yards.
Station 3: Barrier shot. Target 1 is a 7 yard hostage target. Target 2 is a 10 yard target. Shoot from behind cover on both targets.
Reload on the move to Station 4 if no prior reloads.
Station 4: Far target. One target, 35 yards.
All targets require 2 hits to clear except for the last (Station 4), which requires six. Looks pretty challenging to me. Scoring uses IPSC (?) methodology, with total points divided by time to complete the course in seconds.

Posted by: Ed L at July 24, 2022 08:23 PM (/lmRp)

315 I bought a Ruger .32 HR magnum, in its inception. I have it in my ledger of Dumb Guns. Maybe I just got it too early.
The entire point of that cartridge is small game and saving lead, with reloading. But when I bought it, that gun was fucking expensive and so was the brass.
It did nothing a used .38 couldn't do, and 5 vs 6 was meaningless. I declared it a Dumb Gun. I haven't changed my mind since.
I did come into a SW .32-20 6", and that gun would have been Awesome in .32 HRM but whatever. Dumb. Gun.

Posted by: LenNeal at July 24, 2022 08:23 PM (U11/V)

316 Posted by: rhomboid at July 24, 2022 08:21 PM (OTzUX)
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We share a lot of the same advanced thinking!

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 08:23 PM (0IeYL)

317 the 1911 MIL-SPEC series

I'll be in my bunk.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 24, 2022 08:24 PM (dH+yi)

318 Really pleased with the rifle, very budget build, only 2 feed hangups out of 30+ initial rounds. My 1911 ran like a top, as usual. I need to look at the Browning, it would hang >just< before full lockup. Could be related to grip and follow through. But, it doesn't even have a full box of ammo through it yet. Boys had fun even though we forgot their .22s in the hustle to pack.

Posted by: tRusty Hudson at July 24, 2022 08:24 PM (iJCGt)

319 Posted by: Brometheus at July 24, 2022 08:22 PM (Y4de+)
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Howdy and welcome, Bro!

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 08:24 PM (0IeYL)

320 Hmm, Josie Wales is on.
Posted by: Infidel

I finally watched that whole movie a couple years ago. I'd seen bits an pieces channel surfing for years. Holy crap, that is an outstanding film. Eastwood, John Vernon, Dan George (I love the Chief - he had the same smile my Grandpa did).

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Trying to be Moar Funnier at July 24, 2022 08:25 PM (x8Wzq)

321 Yeah, I'm gonna stop you there because it wasn't against the law and that's been pointed out many times. All the mall could do was ask him to leave.

With Rittenhouse, the issue wasn't what he did, but whether he should have been there. Once he was there, events dictated his actions. As one of my friends remarked, the only reason HE would have shown up was if a super-hot chick said that she and her also super-hot girlfriend needed him to defend their trendy coffee shop and they would be soooo grateful for his bravery and courage.
But not everyone is so tied to worldly concerns.
Posted by: F

yeah, not sure where you are but the law in tx is if the sign says no guns it is against the law to have a gun.

you seem to have missed the main idea which is that nobody would advise friends or family to go bring a gun where they are forbidden to do so. similarly, nobody would advise friends or family to go do armed security at the age of 18 with some guys he knows. wise and legal are not the same. duh?

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 08:25 PM (8NXXj)

322 Glock leaving millions of dollars on the table by not making a 9mm PCC.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter making trouble at July 24, 2022 08:25 PM (Dtccd)

323 Love the section on Elisjsha Dicken. Dude stood up to evil and he's got some skill too.

Posted by: Brometheus at July 24, 2022 08:25 PM (Y4de+)

324 Posted by: rhomboid at July 24, 2022 08:21 PM (OTzUX)
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Do you happen to recall which year they dropped the GI Model?

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 08:26 PM (0IeYL)

325 I know we're all 29, but there is a certain reckless adventurism when we are younger. Who among us at that age, having trained, practiced and - above all else - believing in the cause of right can good would not have seriously considered doing what Rittenhouse did?

For everyone who says what he did was reckless, I offer this: I was married with two children and I joined the freaking military after 9/11. What madness possessed me??? Rittenhouse was a model of prudence because if you can't be save in KENOSHA WISCONSIN where can you be safe?

As for Eli of Indiana, please. Don't even. It wasn't even illegal.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 08:26 PM (llXky)

326 In fairness, you've argued the same "what if?" point several times now. We get it. And?? Doesn't change anything.

Glad the kid punched asshoe's ticket.
Posted by: J

in fairness, it is with several different commentors. sorry if thoughtful consideration of the scenario bothers you.

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 08:26 PM (8NXXj)

327 the 1911 MIL-SPEC series

I'll be in my bunk.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 24, 2022 08:24 PM (dH+

Bring lots of gun oil and orange scrub

Posted by: Brometheus at July 24, 2022 08:26 PM (Y4de+)

328 Anti - good to know. I don't think there are any stores in my AO with 1K rounds of any single caliber on the shelf, much less 9mm. Finding a place that will allow you to buy two boxes is like finding buried treasure.
I keep reformatting this message because the pixy hamsters are cranky... I miss the days of 50 round of UMC 9mm for eight dollars.

Posted by: PabloD at July 24, 2022 08:27 PM (KabLM)

329 Don't get me started about 10mm, when I got one of the very first Colt Delta Elites and struggled with that POS until I realized it was another Dumb Gun.
If YOU like it, well, okay, but not even.
The only factory ammo I could get was Norma 200 TMJ, overloaded, at 65 cents a round, and lost half of them, as the Colt Delta kicked cases 20-30 feet. There was no standard for chamber and my Lyman dies failed.
Dumb Gun. Maybe it's better now. But I still hate the 10mm.

Posted by: LenNeal at July 24, 2022 08:28 PM (U11/V)

330 Glock leaving millions of dollars on the table by not making a 9mm PCC.
Posted by: A

who needs it? too big to conceal not enough range or power to be useful outside.

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 08:28 PM (8NXXj)

331 Howdy and welcome, Bro!
Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 08:24 PM (0IeYL)

Bro! This place has sick gun gainz.

Posted by: Brometheus at July 24, 2022 08:28 PM (Y4de+)

332 in fairness, it is with several different commentors. sorry if thoughtful consideration of the scenario bothers you.
Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 08:26 PM (8NXXj)
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In fairness, recent statement by you question the wisdom of Eli carrying, which leads one to believe you think Eli would have been better off to let the bodies pile up and run away.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at July 24, 2022 08:28 PM (5pTK/)

333 Posted by: Brometheus at July 24, 2022 08:28 PM (Y4de+)
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Glad you like it and decided to de-lurk. Appreciate it!

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 08:29 PM (0IeYL)

334 Glock leaving millions of dollars on the table by not making a 9mm PCC.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter making trouble at July 24, 2022 08:25 PM

Ruger beat them to it with the Ruger PC Carbine in 9mm. It takes Ruger magazines or Glock 19 magazines. I have one and I do not care for it. You have to switch the guts out to swap magazines and mine refuses to work with Glock mags. I put the Ruger SR9 mag guts in it and have not had a problem since I did that.

Somebody needs to do a PC carbine in .45acp. The old marlin camp carbines in .45 are made out of unobtanium.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 24, 2022 08:29 PM (bVYXr)

335 Since I had duty day I did indeed get to the range, but only managed to shoot the M1, no handguns this time. As often the case the smaller ranges all taken by military. Did have fun after hours, nicest time of the day, having main range all to myself, moved around trying shoot up the last of my HXP surplus ammo (and burning a Flor de Oliva bundle stick).

A federal law enforcement agency that wears green and is supposed to police the country's boundaries is now informally mentioning to us that it would be wise to carry something loaded in the front seat until back to the highway, when leaving the range (about 3 miles or so). Great gobs of more interesting stuff going on since the country opted for some self-destruction in 2020, foreign travel consultant entrepreneurs now penetrating much further into the US. Range is not far from where there used to be a border, along a topographically desirable walking route.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 24, 2022 08:29 PM (OTzUX)

336 Here was there, made the call, and took care of business.

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 08:17 PM (0IeYL)

And all I'm arguing for is to 1) learn from it, and 2) to set a standard based on his actions. Will we all be Eli's? No. Should we strive to be that capable? YES! Should you automatically engage from 40yds like Jack Bauer? Not if you can't do it effectively. Should you work to become better so you can engage from 25yds, if that's what you're capable of? YES! Should you work on simple self-defense techniques that can give you the space and time to engage with your firearm? YES! Should you be in Condition Yellow when you carry so that you can react before becoming a victim? YES!

Learn from Eli, even if you can't *be* Eli.

Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 08:29 PM (SVBqo)

337 Dean Wormer was also the mayor in Dirty Harry.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 24, 2022 08:22 PM (ybIRR)

Wow! I forgot that...he was great in "Charlie Varrick".

Quentin Tarantino ripped of the blow torch and pliers scene from Dean Wormer in "Charlie Varrick" when he had that talk with the bank manager for "Pulp Fiction".

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 24, 2022 08:29 PM (R/m4+)

338 Glock 19 is a fine gun. It's just that the VP9 is better.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 24, 2022 08:30 PM (TiOvb)

339 or relegate it permanently to the gun safe.
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at July 24, 2022 08:17 PM (dVlo/)

Abused, neglected 1911s? I'll take them and give them a good home.

Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 08:30 PM (SVBqo)

340 Let's all stay cool and discuss topics respectfully. Thank you.

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 08:30 PM (0IeYL)

341 G'night everyone, & thanks Weasel !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra MAGA FTW ! at July 24, 2022 08:30 PM (oZtf9)

342 Posted by: Anti doesn't matter making trouble at July 24, 2022 08:20 PM (Dtccd)

If you've got the coin, HK SP5 or SP5K-PDW. Expensive as heck, but arguably the best shooting, most reliable, most accurate, and lightest recoiling PCC available today. And, it comes w/ the HK cool factor being a truly iconic (semi-auto only) SMG of the modern age.

Posted by: Ed L at July 24, 2022 08:31 PM (/lmRp)

343 Zepparella, never hurd of em

but they are done

DONE !!

Posted by: David Jakubonis at July 24, 2022 08:31 PM (us2H3)

344 My Ruger PC9 is... finicky... with Glock mags. I haven't shot it much; I'm hoping that it's not a consistent problem. One reason I bought the darned thing is because it takes Glock mags, and I have a ton of those.

Posted by: PabloD at July 24, 2022 08:31 PM (KabLM)

345 In fairness, recent statement by you question the wisdom of Eli carrying, which leads one to believe you think Eli would have been better off to let the bodies pile up and run away.
Posted by: b

in fairness, everybody should carry, however, suggesting that he was carrying in a way that might have been illegal and that everything that he did was smart is nonsense.

thinking about what he did that was right and wrong is good for everybody. if he had done the same thing in wisconsin he would have a good chance of having to go through what rittenhouse did.

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 08:31 PM (8NXXj)

346 Also, I shot one of the very first Glocks into the USA, in the #40,000 range.
Whole story about that.

Posted by: LenNeal at July 24, 2022 08:31 PM (U11/V)

347 Weasel sorry no, dunno when Springfield dropped the GI model. Gonna guess 2010 or so.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 24, 2022 08:32 PM (OTzUX)

348 Ed L, this is going to much tighter. We are not talking shooting in yards- we are talking shooting in feet and in different elevations. Out of the box happening here.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 24, 2022 08:32 PM (l6ok8)

349
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra MAGA FTW ! at July 24, 2022 08:30 PM (oZtf9)
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nite sock!!

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 08:32 PM (0IeYL)

350 From the pinned comment in the video.

"Vaultek Safe
8 months ago
Vaultek stands behind our customers and products 100%. We are aware of the exploit, and shortly after the release of this video (February 2020) we put in place effective solutions to address Lifepod's programming function. We sent free upgrade kits to existing customers, and all LifePods produced and shipping since then have been upgraded with new firmware to disable the program button when locked. We're listening and will make every effort to continually improve our products. Any additional inquiries can be directed to our support team for more information."

Anything can be broken into, even a gun safe. The purpose is to keep little kids out and/or delay and discourage other people from trying to get in. The lifepod is nice but if it isn't chained down, it can be carried away. No safe or lock is perfect.

Posted by: wodun at July 24, 2022 08:32 PM (lFga6)

351 yeah, not sure where you are but the law in tx is if the sign says no guns it is against the law to have a gun.

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 08:25 PM (8NXXj)

Well then the "Active" shooter would not have been there. No problems. ( just a little humor there)

Posted by: Javems at July 24, 2022 08:32 PM (AmoqO)

352 you seem to have missed the main idea which is that nobody would advise friends or family to go bring a gun where they are forbidden to do so. similarly, nobody would advise friends or family to go do armed security at the age of 18 with some guys he knows. wise and legal are not the same. duh?
Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 08:25 PM (8NXXj)

You just have to win the "point' don't you?
I don't have a dog in your fight, so here's a point.
And here's a cookie.
Stop being so relentless.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at July 24, 2022 08:32 PM (MFphb)

353 Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 08:29 PM (0IeYL)

Bro, you're like a Titan bringing fire to the ignorant.

I miss my mil-spec 1911 (.45). Sold it to a friend when I moved to NY.... Maybe if NY fixes their laws I'll get one again.

Posted by: Brometheus at July 24, 2022 08:33 PM (Y4de+)

354 294 Don't remember, probably. Been a long, long time.
Grit TV. It's been raining and crappy all day.
Posted by: Infidel at July 24, 2022 08:13 PM (mn1Pi)

Ok...keep your eye out for the guy who did the ass rape scene with Ned Beatty in Deliverance.

I think he had a beard in The Outlaw Josie Wales" and was a blue belly. Bill Something or other...
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 24, 2022 08:18 PM (R/m4+)
He was a Confederate who surrendered to the yankees and worked for the redleg Senator Lane hunting down Confederates.

Posted by: Eromero at July 24, 2022 08:33 PM (0OP+5)

355
yeah, not sure where you are but the law in tx is if the sign says no guns it is against the law to have a gun.

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 08:25 PM (8NXXj)
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Is the shift key on your keyboard broken? Serious question.

So, um, as I think you know, the man lived in Indiana, which is not Texas, and I don't know the laws of Texas and I don't care, because none of that is relevant in this discussion.

As to Rittenhouse, I think he's done rather well. The Settlements keep coming in, which is nice.

Betcha his wife is hotter than yours.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 08:33 PM (llXky)

356 who needs it? too big to conceal not enough range or power to be useful outside.
Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 08:28 PM (8NXXj)

I bet you own a shotgun.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 24, 2022 08:34 PM (ybIRR)

357 Sorry Weasel for going off topic. Time for jammies.

Nite all. {{hugs}}

Posted by: Infidel at July 24, 2022 08:34 PM (mn1Pi)

358 You just have to win the "point' don't you?
I don't have a dog in your fight, so here's a point.
And here's a cookie.
Stop being so relentless.
Posted by: OneEyedJ

in fairness, as much as I might insist upon arguing my point, you insist upon wandering in and saying something just to read your own words.

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 08:34 PM (8NXXj)

359 Posted by: Brometheus at July 24, 2022 08:33 PM (Y4de+)
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Nah, man. I just get the ball rolling. Y'all are the ones who make this fun!

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 08:34 PM (0IeYL)

360 My Ruger PC9 is... finicky... with Glock mags. I haven't shot it much; I'm hoping that it's not a consistent problem. One reason I bought the darned thing is because it takes Glock mags, and I have a ton of those.
Posted by: PabloD at July 24, 2022 08:31 PM (KabLM)

I've been planning on picking up a Ruger PC. What's happening with the mags on you? Feed jams?

Posted by: Brometheus at July 24, 2022 08:34 PM (Y4de+)

361 Posted by: Infidel at July 24, 2022 08:34 PM (mn1Pi)

Adios

Posted by: Brometheus at July 24, 2022 08:34 PM (Y4de+)

362 "By the way, mall shooting, anyone know if the mall is posted, "Gun Free" zone?
Yes the mall was posted as a gun free zone. All Simon malls are gun free zones."

The sign also says "No Pets", but service dogs are fine, including emotional comfort "service" animals, and they do not throw people out for Purse Puppies.
THUS:...I have not Pet pistols, all of mine are certified service critters, emotional comfort calibers, if I carried a purse? the puppy in there would be as well.
If they do not enforce the "Rule" against crazed killers carrying rifles? It ain't really a "Rule" is it? Sounds like more of a general CYA "Guideline/dresscode"

Posted by: Birddog at July 24, 2022 08:35 PM (uAI4S)

363 As to Rittenhouse, I think he's done rather well. The Settlements keep coming in, which is nice.

Betcha his wife is hotter than yours.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 08:33 PM (llXky)

That kid had crazy good muzzle control. We should draft him for Seal Team 6.

Posted by: Brometheus at July 24, 2022 08:36 PM (Y4de+)

364 But I still hate the 10mm.
Posted by: LenNeal at July 24, 2022 08:28 PM

Don't hate the playa, hate the game, which in this case is the Colt Delta Elite.

The 10 is a fine cartridge, which can be loaded to a near .41 Magnum-sniffing neighborhood, of downloaded to the near-pussycat levels of the .40 S&W, or anything in between.

I've been loading .40 S&W lately, and am becoming very un-enamored with it. It's fussy, high-pressure, and quite unforgiving, and let's not discuss the perfection of certain brand with unsupported chambers. The 10, however, accommodates lower loads like that like a champ.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 24, 2022 08:36 PM (a3Q+t)

365 One more time. Everyone needs to be cool and respectful. Period.

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 08:36 PM (0IeYL)

366 Have only held (not shot) the CZ Scorpion PCC, but is sure did feel nice. The Ruger PCC, have shot several times at the range when customers insist (!), easy as pie. First time I touched one, had a steel plate hanging @100 yds. Guy had a sub-$20 red dot on it. Shot - ping. Shot - ping. Every time. Ridiculous.

Some day hope to get around to building a super-light 9mm AR platform version, for fun, and the boss's use in "home defense" (this latter term to be pronounced with a heavy rural southern accent).

Posted by: rhomboid at July 24, 2022 08:36 PM (OTzUX)

367 Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 24, 2022 08:29 PM (bVYXr)

For a .45 ACP PCC, what about the original KRISS Vector in .45 ACP? It used Glock 21 magazines. Granted, it's much cooler (and arguably, more practical) as an SBR w/ a vertical foregrip and the extended 25 round magazines. It came out about ten years ago now.

Posted by: Ed L at July 24, 2022 08:36 PM (/lmRp)

368 Somebody needs to do a PC carbine in .45acp.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 24, 2022 08:29 PM (bVYXr)

One of my dreams is to do a carbine AR in .45. Then to trick it out with furniture that looks like the Thompson.
It wouldn't BE a Thompson, but it would be a fun conversation piece, and likely fun to shoot.

Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 08:37 PM (SVBqo)

369 I must bid you all G'nite for tomorrow comes early. ThanX! Weasel for the thread and everyone for the comradery. Nite, all!

McGyver, out

Posted by: McGyver at July 24, 2022 08:37 PM (mUYId)

370 My Ruger PC9 is... finicky... with Glock mags. I haven't shot it much; I'm hoping that it's not a consistent problem. One reason I bought the darned thing is because it takes Glock mags, and I have a ton of those.

Posted by: PabloD at July 24, 2022 08:31 PM

Same here and I gave up on the Glock mags and switched it back to the Ruger mags. I only get 17 rounds but I have yet to have a FTF or a FTE since I did that. When I was running glock mags I had a 2-3 round failure in every 15 round magazine. And the 33 glockazine rounds mags were such a complete disaster i gave up on them early on. Mine has over 600 rounds through it so it isn't a "break in" problem.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 24, 2022 08:38 PM (bVYXr)

371 Posted by: McGyver at July 24, 2022 08:37 PM (mUYId)
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Nite amigo.

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 08:38 PM (0IeYL)

372 If you've got the coin, HK SP5 or SP5K-PDW. Expensive as heck, but arguably the best shooting, most reliable, most accurate, and lightest recoiling PCC available today. And, it comes w/ the HK cool factor being a truly iconic (semi-auto only) SMG of the modern age.
Posted by: Ed L at July 24, 2022 08:31 PM (/lmR

Don't disagree: Looking at the CZ Scorpion on the 30th. Read good things about it. Pricey for a PCC.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter making trouble at July 24, 2022 08:38 PM (Eu9d8)

373 in fairness, as much as I might insist upon arguing my point, you insist upon wandering in and saying something just to read your own words.
Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 08:34 PM (8NXXj)

lol. I guess you told me.
Press on, dude.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at July 24, 2022 08:38 PM (MFphb)

374 Not Dumb Gun?
The what? NEF? HR? I forget, SS Handi-Rifle in .357 Magnum.
Could not believe it, best rifle EVER, it was so ridiculously practical and absurdly accurate I sold it to a local farmer at my cost.
It needed to be used, and used hard.
Seriously, just a crazy useful rifle.
Accurate, you would not believe it, with excellent iron sights one hole at 75 yards. They go tall dollars now, and justifiably so.

Posted by: LenNeal at July 24, 2022 08:38 PM (U11/V)

375 Posted by: Ben Had at July 24, 2022 08:32 PM (l6ok

OK, didn't understand the limitations you're working against.

Posted by: Ed L at July 24, 2022 08:39 PM (/lmRp)

376 320 Hmm, Josie Wales is on.
Posted by: Infidel

I finally watched that whole movie a couple years ago. I'd seen bits an pieces channel surfing for years. Holy crap, that is an outstanding film. Eastwood, John Vernon, Dan George (I love the Chief - he had the same smile my Grandpa did).
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Trying to be Moar Funnier at July 24, 2022 08:25 PM (x8Wzq)
My GranDaddy had that smile too. In fact the same face.

Posted by: Eromero at July 24, 2022 08:39 PM (0OP+5)

377 Posted by: Infidel at July 24, 2022 08:34 PM (mn1Pi)
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Nite!

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 08:39 PM (0IeYL)

378 Have a question. I have a bag of brass I obviously brought home from the range. The rims all have a dent in the edge, pretty good one. I'm not sure what I shot them with. Would an M-1 do that? Can I reload them?

May be I'll take a picture for next week.

Posted by: Javems at July 24, 2022 08:39 PM (AmoqO)

379 The larger point with "gun free" zones is an interesting one.

I think most of us are instinctively law-abiding, and when the laws are unjust, we seek to change them through established methods.

But the Indiana incident does raise some intriguing questions about whether risking whatever state-level sanction is worth the preservation of life.

Hypothetical question: What if would-be shooters began to suspect that otherwise law-abiding citizens were going to show the same deference to "gun-free zones" that they do?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 08:39 PM (llXky)

380 guns!

late but, guns!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at July 24, 2022 08:40 PM (xcxpd)

381 Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 24, 2022 08:38 PM (bVYXr)

Great to hear, if I pick a PC up, then I'll stick to their own mags then

Posted by: Brometheus at July 24, 2022 08:40 PM (Y4de+)

382 Can we stop calling 22 year-old Elisjsha Dicken : a kid, the kid, etc.? He's an adult man as was the 20-yearold perpetrator.

Posted by: Ciampino - kids are those under 18 at July 24, 2022 08:40 PM (qfLjt)

383 Is the shift key on your keyboard broken? Serious question.
So, um, as I think you know, the man lived in Indiana, which is not Texas, and I don't know the laws of Texas and I don't care, because none of that is relevant in this discussion.
As to Rittenhouse, I think he's done rather well. The Settlements keep coming in, which is nice.
Betcha his wife is hotter than yours.
Posted by: F

dude, do not start arguments you cannot finish.
so yeah, the jail time and having is life ruined was worth the settlements rittenhouse gets. you are going to give your kids some great fatherly advice.

ahkid "dad, I was thinking of doing this but I might go to jail."
ah "depends, do you think you might get to sue afterwards"

by the way, who is your publisher?

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 08:40 PM (8NXXj)

384 Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 24, 2022 08:38 PM (bVYXr)

Didn't have that problem with mine but I babied it . Haven't shot it since. Need to work it now that you guys point out the issues.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter making trouble at July 24, 2022 08:40 PM (Eu9d8)

385
lol. I guess you told me.
Press on, dude.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at July 24, 2022 08:38 PM (MFphb)
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Knock it off.

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 08:41 PM (0IeYL)

386 Made my first on-line purchase, and received it yesterday. Working with the seller and the FFL actually worked well. Some of the usual minor hiccups, but that's to be expected, mostly because I had not done this before.

Got me a Taurus G2c 9mm. Have not shot it yet, still learning its mechanics ,and I want to give it a good cleaning. But it feels really good in my hand. Very comfortable. And I like having 2 12 round mags.

Also, I think this one might help me learn to shoot lefty (weird because I am a southpaw but always shoot righty)

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Trying to be Moar Funnier at July 24, 2022 08:41 PM (x8Wzq)

387 lol. I guess you told me.
Press on, dude.
Posted by: OneEyedJa

now do the "did not did too thing."

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 08:42 PM (8NXXj)

388 Javems, 30-06 brass?

If yes, then, yes. M1s are (necessarily) brutal on brass. I think 75% of my brass prep time for reloading ammo for my M1s is spent fixing the dents in the extraction rings so the damn things will fit in the shell holder.

Cost of doing business with a platform that's a service rifle where reliable extraction under non-ideal conditions is a must-have feature.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 24, 2022 08:42 PM (OTzUX)

389 Did get to the range, sorta, yesterday.
Lazy Messenger, the Nurse and I did some outdoor shooting. I scored a metal target in a neighbors garage for abusively cheap and we got to ring some steel as well as do some draw + fire drills at multiple, close range targets.

Personal best that day: 4 seconds to draw, fire, hit 3 targets with two shots each and no misses. Short range but I'm still very happy with that score (glad I brought/bought that shot timer).

The PSA Dagger (gen 2 with Vortex Venom) is doing amazingly well. Especially for what's basically a $300 pistol. Love using 17 round PMAGs in them, no reload troubles at all.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at July 24, 2022 08:42 PM (xcxpd)

390 Posted by: Ciampino - kids are those under 18 at July 24, 2022 08:40 PM (qfLjt)

I'm totally guilty of talking like that. Still trying to break that habit

Posted by: Brometheus at July 24, 2022 08:43 PM (Y4de+)

391 Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 08:40 PM (8NXXj)
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You too. Let it go.

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 08:43 PM (0IeYL)

392 Thanks for the Gun Thread Weasel!!

Posted by: DBCooper at July 24, 2022 08:43 PM (y1Mvi)

393 I bet you own a shotgun.
Posted by: B

yes

and

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 08:43 PM (8NXXj)

394 Got me a Taurus G2c 9mm. Have not shot it yet, still learning its mechanics ,and I want to give it a good cleaning. But it feels really good in my hand. Very comfortable. And I like having 2 12 round mags.

Also, I think this one might help me learn to shoot lefty (weird because I am a southpaw but always shoot righty)
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Trying to be Moar Funnier at July 24, 2022 08:41 PM (x8Wzq)

Recently bought a G3C, more or less the same tool. I'm happy with it, should be a good summer/winter carry option.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at July 24, 2022 08:43 PM (xcxpd)

395 I have yet to have a FTF or a FTE since I did that.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 24, 2022 08:38 PM (bVYXr)

Serious question: How would the mag cause a FTE? I definitely get the FTF, but how does a FTE figure in there?

Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 08:43 PM (SVBqo)

396 Don't hate the playa, hate the game, which in this case is the Colt Delta Elite.

The 10 is a fine cartridge, which can be loaded to a near .41 Magnum-sniffing neighborhood, of downloaded to the near-pussycat levels of the .40 S&W, or anything in between.

Yeah, that's what I thought I was going to get, .41 Magnum performance in the 1911 platform, and I didn't get that, and I know I was a what you call Beta Tester, and the 1911 platform at that point was simply inadequate.

Posted by: LenNeal at July 24, 2022 08:43 PM (U11/V)

397 Somebody needs to do a PC carbine in .45acp.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 24, 2022 08:29 PM (bVYXr)

One of my dreams is to do a carbine AR in .45. Then to trick it out with furniture that looks like the Thompson.
It wouldn't BE a Thompson, but it would be a fun conversation piece, and likely fun to shoot.

Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 08:37 PM

I have a Colt AR-9mm. It is the bomb and I have had multiple people begging me to sell it to them. I wish they made it in .45acp, but alas they quit making them years ago.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 24, 2022 08:43 PM (bVYXr)

398 You too. Let it go.
Posted by: W

which one?

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 08:43 PM (8NXXj)

399 Thanks for the weekly gub thradz, Weasel!

Haven't been out w/my Ruger .40 in nearly forever, but... someday...

Posted by: JQ at July 24, 2022 08:44 PM (dpnJh)

400 Personal best that day: 4 seconds to draw, fire, hit 3 targets with two shots each and no misses. Short range but I'm still very happy with that score (glad I brought/bought that shot timer).

The PSA Dagger (gen 2 with Vortex Venom) is doing amazingly well. Especially for what's basically a $300 pistol. Love using 17 round PMAGs in them, no reload troubles at all.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at July 24, 2022 08:42 PM (xcxpd)

Respectable

Posted by: Brometheus at July 24, 2022 08:44 PM (Y4de+)

401 He was a Confederate who surrendered to the yankees and worked for the redleg Senator Lane hunting down Confederates.
Posted by: Eromero at July 24, 2022 08:33 PM (0OP+5)

Thanks for the clarification Eromero! He is a great actor and is always somewhere in a Clint movie. I think he and Clint must of been good friends.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 24, 2022 08:44 PM (R/m4+)

402 My KelTec Sub 2000 is my favorite to shoot . Never had an issue with the Glock mags .

Is it the extractor that's the issue on the Ruger?

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter making trouble at July 24, 2022 08:44 PM (Eu9d8)

403 Let's all stay cool and discuss topics respectfully. Thank you.

You're a good man, Weasel. As always, thanks for the gub.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 24, 2022 08:44 PM (Xrfse)

404 I have a G17 with a factory Crimson Trace in original Tupperware case.

Posted by: Eromero at July 24, 2022 08:45 PM (0OP+5)

405 Posted by: Pug Mahon, Trying to be Moar Funnier at July 24, 2022 08:25 PM (x8Wzq)
My GranDaddy had that smile too. In fact the same face.
Posted by: Eromero at July 24, 2022 08:39 PM (0OP+5)

I miss my Grandpa. He loved Loony Tunes. Also worked for Boeing and NASA. Impressive man. Had a great basso laugh.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Trying to be Moar Funnier at July 24, 2022 08:45 PM (x8Wzq)

406 > Somebody needs to do a PC carbine in .45acp.
___________

Hi Point

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 24, 2022 08:46 PM (BFigT)

407 Apologies, Weasel. You don't need the nonsense.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at July 24, 2022 08:46 PM (5pTK/)

408 I have a Colt AR-9mm. It is the bomb and I have had multiple people begging me to sell it to them. I wish they made it in .45acp, but alas they quit making them years ago.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 24, 2022 08:43 PM (bVYXr)

Very cool Mister Scott! Anything old skool Colt is collectible now.

Especially rifles and their parts/lowers/uppers/bolts, etc.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 24, 2022 08:46 PM (R/m4+)

409 Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 08:43 PM (8NXXj)
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All y'all! It's not worth bitching back and forth about, and I sure as hell don't spend my free time writing this and then three hours participating just to moderate fights.

Everybody cool it.

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 08:46 PM (0IeYL)

410 Thanks for the Gun Thread Weasel!!
Posted by: DBCooper

Seconded !

And Good Night All !

Posted by: JT at July 24, 2022 08:46 PM (T4tVD)

411 yeah, not sure where you are but the law in tx is if the sign says no guns it is against the law to have a gun.
Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 08:25 PM

Sigh. Well, first, as others have pointed out, the hero wasn't in Texas. Second, in Texas, that depends. I can post a sign that simply says "No guns", and it has no force of law. To have the force of law, the sign must have the specified wording AND be in the specified format and location.

Now let's say I open carried into an establishment that didn't have the proper signage. I haven't broken any law. The owner/manager/HMFIC can come ask me to leave. If I do so, I haven't broken any law. If I don't, I'm trespassing, and *that* can have legal repercussions.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 24, 2022 08:46 PM (a3Q+t)

412 346 Also, I shot one of the very first Glocks into the USA, in the #40,000 range.
Whole story about that.
Posted by: LenNeal at July 24, 2022 08:31 PM (U11/V)
see 404 above.

Posted by: Eromero at July 24, 2022 08:47 PM (0OP+5)

413 The Hi Point ,45 carbine is a blast to shoot. Unfortunately no factory high capacity mags.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter making trouble at July 24, 2022 08:47 PM (Eu9d8)

414 If you are open carrying and acting like an asshole you should be prepared for extra-legal reactions.

Posted by: pawn at July 24, 2022 08:47 PM (wsHtO)

415 Somebody needs to do a PC carbine in .45acp.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 24, 2022 08:29 PM (bVYXr)

One of my dreams is to do a carbine AR in .45. Then to trick it out with furniture that looks like the Thompson.
It wouldn't BE a Thompson, but it would be a fun conversation piece, and likely fun to shoot.
Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 08:37 PM (SVBqo)

I have a Just Right carbine in .45. Take G21 mags. I don't shoot it much but so far, it works. The Bolt will shave the top of the Polymer magazines though, so don't over-insert. Slide it in, tug down on it, leave it in.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at July 24, 2022 08:47 PM (xcxpd)

416 Sorry, Weasel. Didn't mean to pour gasoline on the fire.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 24, 2022 08:48 PM (a3Q+t)

417 388 Javems, 30-06 brass?

If yes, then, yes. M1s are (necessarily) brutal on brass. I think 75% of my brass prep time for reloading ammo for my M1s is spent fixing the dents in the extraction rings so the damn things will fit in the shell holder.

Cost of doing business with a platform that's a service rifle where reliable extraction under non-ideal conditions is a must-have feature.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 24, 2022 08:42 PM (OTzUX)

Yes, 30-06. Should have stipulated that. Not sure how I would fix that. Never thought of the shell holder problem

Thanks

Posted by: Javems at July 24, 2022 08:48 PM (AmoqO)

418 I concur with Ed L and his PDWs. The iron sights on the SP5 are sui generis. None better.

Good enough for John McLane good enough for me.

As Ferris Bueller said, they are so choice. If you have the means, I highly recommend it.

But if you want the ultimate smile for your shooting dollar I continue to recommend the Extar EP9. At $449 it is easy to shoot and you can shoot it all day with whatever 9mm ammo you have. AR style controls so no yippie ki yay charging handle slap but you can't have everything.

Posted by: blaster at July 24, 2022 08:48 PM (6TxNR)

419 Weasel that's timely about the Joya Red review. It's on my "try" list (JDN Silver and Black already tried and approved, actually need to get you a Silver review).

Just wondering if it would be OK to watch the video first time with the sound off. I might not pick up much of the content anyway. Might find the visuals distracting. Just being prudent here.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 24, 2022 08:48 PM (OTzUX)

420 Posted by: JT at July 24, 2022 08:46 PM (T4tVD)

Night

Posted by: Brometheus at July 24, 2022 08:48 PM (Y4de+)

421 Ed L, not limitations just making shooters move out of a stationary target scenario and into a more realistic setting.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 24, 2022 08:48 PM (l6ok8)

422 If you are open carrying and acting like an asshole you should be prepared for extra-legal reactions.
Posted by: pawn at July 24, 2022 08:47 PM (wsHtO)

Concur.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 24, 2022 08:48 PM (R/m4+)

423 Is it Thunder Ranch that beats the stuffing out of Hi Points, because, well, ugly, yet, Hi Points seem to take a licking and keep on ticking?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at July 24, 2022 08:49 PM (5pTK/)

424 Late to the party, but give Weasel Dog all the belly rubs!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 24, 2022 08:49 PM (RkC6l)

425 I have yet to have a FTF or a FTE since I did that.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 24, 2022 08:38 PM (bVYXr)

Serious question: How would the mag cause a FTE? I definitely get the FTF, but how does a FTE figure in there?

Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 08:43 PM

I don't think it's the magazine, I suspect it is the guts you put in the gun. Specifically the mag well and the ejector. You replace the entire internal guts parts when swapping out the magazine internal bits. With Glock mags they feel lose and the ejector seems to catch rounds quite a bit.

Like I said I have had zero problems since I switched back to Ruger magazines. It may be my gun or the way I am holding it and shooting it but so far no issues with Ruger factory magazines. And yes all of the Glock magazines were factory also.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 24, 2022 08:49 PM (bVYXr)

426 Forgot to mention EP9 takes Glock mags.

Posted by: blaster at July 24, 2022 08:49 PM (6TxNR)

427 If you can get past the Star Trek design, the Beretta Cx4 Storm is a hell of a carbine. I speak from...uh...experience.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 24, 2022 08:50 PM (Xrfse)

428 Recently bought a G3C, more or less the same tool.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at July 24, 2022 08:43 PM (xcxpd)

I recently did some looking at comparisons between the two, since they've been alternating/competing for the stupidly-low-price-point lately (plus the Taurus rebates). I own a G3c but was tempted by the slightly lower prices on the G2c.

The big difference seems to be the odd cutaways on the front top edges of the slide for the G2c, which some folks seem to think makes it harder to rack the slide. Some other very minor differences.

I'm not going to spend the money (even though it's CHEAP) on another one (2 or 3) at the moment, saving up for my .45 1911. But it's a decent 9mm compact.

Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 08:50 PM (SVBqo)

429 Cigar Vixen needs a noise cancelling mike. And it would be nice if she were to identify, and give a little plug to the resorts/beaches, etc. in her backgrounds. Nicaragua has a lot of natural wonders, and just plain pretty places, and the people are pretty mellow and friendly. And it is much less expensive than Mexico or Costa Rica.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 24, 2022 08:50 PM (vdN55)

430 If you can get past the Star Trek design, the Beretta Cx4 Storm is a hell of a carbine. I speak from...uh...experience.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 24, 2022 08:50 PM (Xrfse)

Googled the image..... I need one to go with my bridge command uniform

Posted by: Brometheus at July 24, 2022 08:51 PM (Y4de+)

431 Unrelated to any of the discussions, yesterday my wife and I were shooting .45 1911s at an A-zone sized steel target at 100yds., mostly offhand, a little sitting with backpack rest as well. It is very hard. We did make it ring a few times though and it really makes you pay attention to fundamentals. Super fun!

Posted by: Durak Kazyol at July 24, 2022 08:51 PM (Ou0EQ)

432 AOP as long as Nicaraguan weather keeps her in tank tops, I'm OK.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 24, 2022 08:51 PM (OTzUX)

433 I'm on my phone so this will be short and incoherent! I'm in Virginia as we held J's memorial in Shenandoah National Park yesterday. Today I crashed the Moron Gun Club at their very posh range! I shot a few 1911s, an SP5, Iris' new. 22, Sharon's new Glock, etc. Results were mixed but I had so much fun. Loved the SP5 although I'm not sure I understand the sights. And it was lovely as always to be among my Moron family. Thanks y'all!

OT: pretty sure I saw a black bear crossing the eastbound lanes of US 211 as I was traveling westbound just outside of Amissville. Either that or a very large dog who walks really funny

Posted by: screaming in digital at July 24, 2022 08:51 PM (v1B+8)

434 Coming in late, in WI, the posted 'No Guns', and it varies state to state, and JJS is moving here, if you are identified as carrying a concealed weapon in a posted no-CCW zone, you can be asked to leave. It is not a criminal offense.
If you refuse to leave the premises whoever it is can tell you to leave, and if you don't, call the police and have you removed, trespassing, etc.
But in WI, and specifically where JJS is moving to, it is in no way an immediate criminal offense.

Posted by: LenNeal at July 24, 2022 08:52 PM (U11/V)

435 Joseph Wales is one of very, very few movies to look at the War and its aftermath from a confederate POV.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 24, 2022 08:52 PM (r46W7)

436 But if you want the ultimate smile for your shooting dollar I continue to recommend the Extar EP9. At $449 it is easy to shoot and you can shoot it all day with whatever 9mm ammo you have. AR style controls so no yippie ki yay charging handle slap but you can't have everything.
Posted by: blaster at July 24, 2022 08:48 PM (6TxNR)

hey, they're even in stock on the mfg's website!

Tempting. Very tempting.

But I already have a few PCCs (mostly Kel Tec and PSA) and honestly, I don't shoot them much. I carry a pistol and if I'm going to go long gun I'll probably stick to a shotty or intermediate rifle round.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at July 24, 2022 08:53 PM (xcxpd)

437 Josey stupid autocorrect

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 24, 2022 08:53 PM (r46W7)

438 Uh oh guys, Confederate has a very important objection to the stuff we are gabbing about.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 24, 2022 08:53 PM (ybIRR)

439 you can get past the Star Trek design, the Beretta Cx4 Storm is a hell of a carbine. I speak from...uh...experience.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 24, 2022 08:50 PM (Xrfs

That's why I finally bought the Beretta 92fs so I could have the combo.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter making trouble at July 24, 2022 08:53 PM (Eu9d8)

440 Posted by: screaming in digital at July 24, 2022 08:51 PM (v1B+

Sounds like a great day. Was at least one cigar lit to end the day?

Posted by: Brometheus at July 24, 2022 08:53 PM (Y4de+)

441 414 If you are open carrying and acting like an asshole you should be prepared for extra-legal reactions.

Posted by: pawn at July 24, 2022 08:47 PM (wsHtO)

Reminds me. This was back in around 1980 when the IRA was bombing London. I was in a tube station when a guy came in carrying a baby blue make-up case. They were little suitcases back then. He was walking around, clutching the case, and trying to look as scary as he could. I just laughed and continued chatting up the girls I was sitting beside.

Posted by: Javems at July 24, 2022 08:54 PM (AmoqO)

442 In the 'things that make you go "hmmmmm..."' category, I've seen one picture of the terrorist's purported weapons. If accurate, it appears to be an *exact* clone of the Uvalde shooter's weapon (a Daniel Defense rifle, with same-same optical sight, foregrip, and Magpul 40 round magazine).
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 24, 2022 07:14 PM (a3Q+t)

Makes you wonder if there isn't a Democrat program to distribute such arms to unstable whackjobs, doesn't it?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 24, 2022 08:54 PM (vdN55)

443 Ooof. Wife's dog just caught and did some damage to a baby bunny.

Sigh. Nature is cruel. I'm going to see if it will survive the night in the culvert/grassy area. Oy...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at July 24, 2022 08:55 PM (xcxpd)

444 If you can get past the Star Trek design, the Beretta Cx4 Storm is a hell of a carbine. I speak from...uh...experience.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 24, 2022 08:50 PM (Xrfse)
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AKSHUALLY...

It was a prop gun in the reboot of Battlestar Galactica.

But even with that considerable baggage, it is brilliant.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 08:56 PM (llXky)

445 Posted by: blaster at July 24, 2022 08:48 PM (6TxNR)

+1 for what blaster said. EP-9 will get the job done for a 9mm PCC for about 10% of what an SP5 runs on Gun Broker. Good choice if you're on a budget.

Posted by: Ed L at July 24, 2022 08:56 PM (/lmRp)

446 In WI, even if there are signs prohibiting CCW, you theoretically CAN carry, and the legal punishment is to be asked/told to leave the property, or to divest yourself of your gun, like putting it in your car. This is WI.
Other states vary.
I am uninterested in what anybody does in, say, NYC, and I always obeyed NYC laws and never took a gun with me.

Posted by: LenNeal at July 24, 2022 08:56 PM (U11/V)

447 The Ruger PC9 comes with a mag well insert to accept Glock extended mags. I have a Ruger PC9 currently outfitted with the Glock mag well and a 30-some odd magazine along with a 20-some odd magazine.

I think it's Ruger's attempt to prop up 9mm sales.

A case... 1000 rounds of 9mm is a short afternoon of spraying.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 24, 2022 08:56 PM (BFigT)

448 I'm going to see if it will survive the night in the culvert/grassy area. Oy...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at July 24, 2022 08:55 PM (xcxpd)

If not, hassenpfeffer.

Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 08:56 PM (SVBqo)

449 AKSHUALLY...

It was a prop gun in the reboot of Battlestar Galactica.

But even with that considerable baggage, it is brilliant.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 08:56 PM (llXky)

Woh woh woh! BSG is the greatest sci-fi since DS9!

Posted by: Brometheus at July 24, 2022 08:57 PM (Y4de+)

450 That's why I finally bought the Beretta 92fs so I could have the combo.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter making trouble at July 24, 2022 08:53 PM (Eu9d

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A number of Morons have this outstanding PCC.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 08:57 PM (llXky)

451 Wait, commenters are fighting in a gun thread?

Put the cell phone down, the microwaves are cooking your brain!

Posted by: Dr. Bone at July 24, 2022 08:58 PM (0ocXn)

452 Makes you wonder if there isn't a Democrat program to distribute such arms to unstable whackjobs, doesn't it?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 24, 2022 08:54 PM (vdN55)
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If only there were some government investigative agencies interested in running down these connections...

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 08:58 PM (llXky)

453 Best Battle Star Galactica is Space Mutiny.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Trying to be Moar Funnier at July 24, 2022 08:58 PM (x8Wzq)

454 in fairness, a 10 inch ak with a folding stock is better in every way than a 9mm pistol calibre carbine

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 08:58 PM (y/nkb)

455 But I already have a few PCCs (mostly Kel Tec and PSA) and honestly, I don't shoot them much. I carry a pistol and if I'm going to go long gun I'll probably stick to a shotty or intermediate rifle round.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at July 24, 2022 08:53 PM

Personally I have switched to my Rossi model 1892 in .357 magnum. Like Hollis Wood said in the 1941 movie, that gun shoots like a house a fire.

I love it and am going to start carrying it as my truck gun. 7 rounds of .357 magnum in the tube with 10 more on the stock pouch should see me clear from most problems.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 24, 2022 08:58 PM (bVYXr)

456 A number of Morons have this outstanding PCC.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 08:57 PM (llXky)

I think it's also Anna Puma's favorite gun.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter making trouble at July 24, 2022 08:59 PM (Eu9d8)

457 if there isn't a Democrat program to distribute such arms to unstable whackjobs, doesn't it?

Posted by: Alb

what they really did the the fast and furoius guns

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 08:59 PM (y/nkb)

458 Posted by: Dr. Bone at July 24, 2022 08:58 PM (0ocXn)
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Yeah, no shit. If I have one rule, it's no fighting in the Gun Thread.

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 08:59 PM (0IeYL)

459 The lifepod is nice but if it isn't chained down, it can be carried away. No safe or lock is perfect.
*

This is one of the other reasons that I bought mine, with the first already being mentioned (kids}.

It has a cable that can be removed, wrapped around an object (think car seat mounting bracket), and reinserted into the lifepod before closing/locking. Would it stop a professional lockpicker? No. Would it stop someone breaking into your car who also had wire cutters? No. Would it stop a smash and grabber from making off with it? Yeah, probably.

Again, it's not a safe. It's a deterrent for kids and idiots.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Norway only has EVs because the government has guns at July 24, 2022 08:59 PM (gIwDN)

460 405 Posted by: Pug Mahon, Trying to be Moar Funnier at July 24, 2022 08:25 PM (x8Wzq)
My GranDaddy had that smile too. In fact the same face.
Posted by: Eromero at July 24, 2022 08:39 PM (0OP+5)

I miss my Grandpa. He loved Loony Tunes. Also worked for Boeing and NASA. Impressive man. Had a great basso laugh.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Trying to be Moar Funnier at July 24, 2022 08:45 PM (x8Wzq)
My Grandaddy was a cotton farmer in S.C raised 5 young'uns on a hundred acre farm, never owed a dime to anybody, paid cash for everything he bought and one of the finest Christians I ever knew.

Posted by: Eromero at July 24, 2022 08:59 PM (0OP+5)

461 But that was a bridge too far even for me, and then I found that Heritage had a "Deadman's Hand" edition. The grips are plastic and printed with a skull and the famous deadman's hand of aces and eights. Prominent in there was the Ace of Spades. sra blaster had to take a trip so she missed our anniversary, and she also didn't get me a gift, so I let her know that this would suffice. So now I have an Ace of Spades pistol.
Posted by: blaster at July 24, 2022 07:18 PM (6TxNR)

Sounds very cool! Back in midwinter, I went to the Phoenix gun show, and bought an inoperable .22 SA revolver, some el-Cheapo with a Zamak frame. It was 75 bucks. I figured out the problems, fixed them, and it now shoots real nice. Has a safety bar that will stop the hammer from falling on the firing pin. Load six rounds, shoot six rounds. It just plain works.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 24, 2022 09:00 PM (vdN55)

462 Best Battle Star Galactica is Space Mutiny.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Trying to be Moar Funnier at July 24, 2022 08:58 PM (x8Wzq)
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Best Battlestar Galactica is 1978 version where Starbuck is a dude.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 09:00 PM (llXky)

463 Yeah, no shit. If I have one rule, it's no fighting in the Gun Thread.
Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 08:59 PM (0IeYL)

*Shakes sock puppet fist vigorously

Posted by: Brometheus at July 24, 2022 09:00 PM (Y4de+)

464 If you can get past the Star Trek design, the Beretta Cx4 Storm is a hell of a carbine. I speak from...uh...experience.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 24, 2022 08:50 PM (Xrfse)

A few years back I passed on a few that were in local pawn shops for sale.

Much to my regret...everyone that has one likes them and say they are great shooters.

Will be on the lookout for one but they are getting hard to find in meatspace.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 24, 2022 09:01 PM (R/m4+)

465 Yeah, no shit. If I have one rule, it's no fighting in the Gun Thread.
Posted by: W

is the gun thread strictly guns, anything off topic allowed?

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 09:01 PM (y/nkb)

466 Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 08:58 PM (y/nkb)

LOL. Now you're *trying* to start a fight!

Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 09:01 PM (SVBqo)

467 Best Battlestar Galactica is 1978 version where Starbuck is a dude.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 09:00 PM (llXky)

Pfffft, new BSG is greater than old BSG.

Posted by: Brometheus at July 24, 2022 09:01 PM (Y4de+)

468 But I already have a few PCCs (mostly Kel Tec and PSA) and honestly, I don't shoot them much. I carry a pistol and if I'm going to go long gun I'll probably stick to a shotty or intermediate rifle round.

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I've gotten to where I REALLY like a PCC as a truck gun. Or suv gun. Or sports car gun. Or wherever I want to put a backpack gun.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Norway only has EVs because the government has guns at July 24, 2022 09:02 PM (gIwDN)

469 But even with that considerable baggage, it is brilliant.

When deciding on it, I was hesitant. Looked like a fookin' toy. Turned out to be a 100% reliable weapon, even after 15 years. Great for household protection. Heck of a lot of fun to shoot, too.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 24, 2022 09:02 PM (Xrfse)

470 no fighting in the Gun Thread.
Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 08:59 PM (0IeYL)

An armed thread is a polite thread?

Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 09:02 PM (SVBqo)

471 >>> 163 We ARE going to have a shoot and scoot course at the TXMoMe. If you want to have drawing from a holster as part of it speak up now.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 24, 2022 07:45 PM (l6ok

Yes please!

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 24, 2022 09:03 PM (llON8)

472 is the gun thread strictly guns, anything off topic allowed?
Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 09:01 PM (y/nkb)

Do you know that the Beretta Cx4 Storm is a Battlestar Galactica gun and not a Star Trek gun?

Posted by: Brometheus at July 24, 2022 09:03 PM (Y4de+)

473 "Yeah, no shit. If I have one rule, it's no fighting in the Gun Thread." - Weasel

(obligatory)

https://tinyurl.com/54wjnwzr

Posted by: rhomboid at July 24, 2022 09:03 PM (OTzUX)

474 Now you're *trying* to start a fight!
Posted by: G

I was thinking of getting a pcc but then started reviewing the ballistics and even though it is a commie gun it is better than every 9mm pcc out there.

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 09:03 PM (y/nkb)

475 Pfffft, new BSG is greater than old BSG.

Posted by: Brometheus at July 24, 2022 09:01 PM (Y4de+)
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New BSG: Woke, chicks in sports bras.

Old BSG: Not woke, no bras.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 09:03 PM (llXky)

476 Posted by: Ben Had at July 24, 2022 08:48 PM (l6ok

Ben Had, apologies. I'm overthinking this through the lens of my experiences in the Big Green Machine and pre-deployment training. Have to roll with what's doable.

Posted by: Ed L at July 24, 2022 09:03 PM (/lmRp)

477 Abused, neglected 1911s? I'll take them and give them a good home.
Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 08:30 PM (SVBqo)

GWB, you'd probably have apoplexy if you saw the (multiple) 1911s in my safe that haven't had a round through them in 30 years. I got shooters, and then I got lookers.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at July 24, 2022 09:03 PM (dVlo/)

478 Makes you wonder if there isn't a Democrat program to distribute such arms to unstable whackjobs, doesn't it?

I wonder how these 18 y.o. losers or semi-losers manage to afford $2200+ rifle systems.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 24, 2022 09:04 PM (a3Q+t)

479 Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the War Room!

Posted by: LenNeal at July 24, 2022 09:04 PM (U11/V)

480 435 Joseph Wales is one of very, very few movies to look at the War and its aftermath from a confederate POV.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 24, 2022 08:52 PM (r46W7)
Word.

Posted by: Eromero at July 24, 2022 09:05 PM (0OP+5)

481 I got shooters, and then I got lookers.
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at July 24, 2022 09:03 PM

One can, how you say, be both, you know.

Posted by: Paolo at July 24, 2022 09:05 PM (a3Q+t)

482 When deciding on it, I was hesitant. Looked like a fookin' toy. Turned out to be a 100% reliable weapon, even after 15 years. Great for household protection. Heck of a lot of fun to shoot, too.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 24, 2022 09:02 PM (Xrfse)
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You can drive a nail with it as well. Crazy good.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 09:05 PM (llXky)

483 139 Ciampino - where I grew up, they didn't blow the sirens for thunder; only for tornado warnings.
Not to be paranoid, but I would at least stay away from the windows and maybe hunker down in a basement until you can sort out what's happening.

Posted by: PabloD at July 24, 2022 07:39 PM (5AvQm)
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No basement. Uncommon in these counties because of flooding possibilities. So we just watch Nature's spectacles.

Posted by: Ciampino - might as well enjoy it at July 24, 2022 09:06 PM (qfLjt)

484 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 09:03 PM (llXky)

Ok, that's a fair point. But is Six in the old one?

Posted by: Brometheus at July 24, 2022 09:06 PM (Y4de+)

485 I got shooters, and then I got lookers.
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at July 24, 2022 09:03 PM (dVlo/)

I'd feed and bathe them regularly and give them loving attention.

Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 09:06 PM (SVBqo)

486
is the gun thread strictly guns, anything off topic allowed?
Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 09:01 PM (y/nkb)
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I don't care if the topics wander around from time to time. I'm not in love with people who constantly post noting but off-topic comments, but generally try and deal with that with a gentle approach. I spend a fair amount of my time doing this each week, because it's usually fun and enjoyable. I do not do it because I want to scrutinize every comment for tone or meaning, or have to go back and re-read 30 comments to figure out who is being an asshole to whom.

This is supposed to be fun for everyone. Let's try and keep it that way. Thank you.

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 09:07 PM (0IeYL)

487 You can drive a nail with it as well. Crazy good.

And there is a floor wax option.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 24, 2022 09:07 PM (Xrfse)

488 I wonder how these 18 y.o. losers or semi-losers manage to afford $2200+ rifle systems.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 24, 2022 09:04 PM (a3Q+t)

The Uvalde bad guy worked at Wendy's until he'd saved up enough to buy his firearms. Then he quit.

Evidently that's all he had to spend that money on.

Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 09:07 PM (SVBqo)

489 I wonder how these 18 y.o. losers or semi-losers manage to afford $2200+ rifle systems.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 24, 2022 09:04 PM (a3Q+t)

The question no one in the media wants to find answers to.

I want answers dammit!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 24, 2022 09:08 PM (R/m4+)

490 screaming-in -digital, a raised glass to the memory of Jesse. You dear are la familia.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 24, 2022 09:08 PM (l6ok8)

491 Brometheus, no cigar but I'm sittin' on the little balcony at my cabin at Shenandoah with some nice red wine in the finest of plastic cups, watchin' the sun go down

Posted by: screaming in digital at July 24, 2022 09:08 PM (v1B+8)

492 478 Makes you wonder if there isn't a Democrat program to distribute such arms to unstable whackjobs, doesn't it?

I wonder how these 18 y.o. losers or semi-losers manage to afford $2200+ rifle systems.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 24, 2022 09:04 PM (a3Q+t)
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Just charge them to Mastercard. When the cops shoot you dead who cares about the banks!

Posted by: Ciampino - credit limits at July 24, 2022 09:09 PM (qfLjt)

493 I don't care if the topics wander around from time to time. I'm not in love with people who constantly post noting but off-topic comments, but generally try and deal with that with a gentle approach. I spend a fair amount of my time doing this each week, because it's usually fun and enjoyable. I do not do it because I want to scrutinize every comment for tone or meaning, or have to go back and re-read 30 comments to figure out who is being an asshole to whom.

This is supposed to be fun for everyone. Let's try and keep it that way. Thank you.
Posted by: W

I just wanted to say that our friend married some hot russian babe and that around the building she is about as attractive as a bag full of over ripe, woody radishes, but she is wadering around the hot tub in a swimsuit and she is fucking swimsuit model hot.

that is it.

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 09:09 PM (VA2uw)

494 I'm sittin' on the little balcony at my cabin at Shenandoah with some nice red wine in the finest of plastic cups, watchin' the sun go down
Posted by: screaming in digital at July 24, 2022 09:08 PM (v1B+

Definitely counts as a victory celebration after a good day at the range

Posted by: Brometheus at July 24, 2022 09:10 PM (Y4de+)

495 Posted by: screaming in digital at July 24, 2022 09:08 PM (v1B+

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Very nice. Enjoy!

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 09:10 PM (0IeYL)

496 I guess as we subdivide the lexicon, PDWs are a somewhat different animal than PCC.

Posted by: blaster at July 24, 2022 09:10 PM (6TxNR)

497 Ok, that's a fair point. But is Six in the old one?

Posted by: Brometheus at July 24, 2022 09:06 PM (Y4de+)
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No, that role doesn't exist. However, the real Starbuck has a love triangle between a hot blonde and hot brunette.

Plus young Jane Seymour. Worth watching.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 09:10 PM (llXky)

498 Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 08:58 PM (y/nkb)

Depends on the mission. If I'm in CQB situation clearing rooms in a MOUT scenario, short barreled AK all the way. If I'm introducing new shooters to firearms, I think 9mm PCC are a far better choice.

Posted by: Ed L at July 24, 2022 09:10 PM (/lmRp)

499 This is supposed to be fun for everyone. Let's try and keep it that way. Thank you.

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 09:07 PM

Fun? you can't handle fun........you need me on that line to have fun so you don't have to look at fun. You don't want me there but you need me there.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 24, 2022 09:10 PM (bVYXr)

500 Posted by: blaster at July 24, 2022 09:10 PM (6TxNR)

I think they can be the same or not the same, depending on individual weapons.

Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 09:10 PM (SVBqo)

501
Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 09:09 PM (VA2uw)
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Well that's ok.

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 09:11 PM (0IeYL)

502 It's weird how a high school dropout can buy $2000+ worth of guns in three months, but a masters degree student can't pay back her loans.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Norway only has EVs because the government has guns at July 24, 2022 09:11 PM (gIwDN)

503 weasel had a vid sometime back where the federal guys discussed rounds - essentially pistol rounds are pistol rounds and rifl rounds are rifl rounds, and rifl rounds are better.

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 09:12 PM (VA2uw)

504 Sigh. We'll see if the baby bunny makes it. It ain't moving well but if it can make it, gave it the best chance I can without taking it to a vet.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at July 24, 2022 09:12 PM (xcxpd)

505 I guess as we subdivide the lexicon, PDWs are a somewhat different animal than PCC.

Posted by: blaster at July 24, 2022 09:10 PM (6TxNR)
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PDW = P90
PCC = Beretta Storm

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 09:12 PM (llXky)

506 Well that's ok.
Posted by: W

thanks

it needed to be shared with the universe

have to give credit where credit is due

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 09:13 PM (VA2uw)

507 wonder how these 18 y.o. losers or semi-losers manage to afford $2200+ rifle systems.

*

Ahem.

The SAME rifle systems.

What are the odds?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Norway only has EVs because the government has guns at July 24, 2022 09:13 PM (gIwDN)

508 Plus young Jane Seymour. Worth watching.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 09:10 PM (llXky)

Totally forgot she was in the original.

What about new Apollo? You get a great moment of chubby Apollo giving a salute before the big planet heist with two Battlestars and a crate of Beretta Cx4 Storm.

Posted by: Brometheus at July 24, 2022 09:13 PM (Y4de+)

509 I guess as we subdivide the lexicon, PDWs are a somewhat different animal than PCC.

Posted by: b

isn't the main diff the calibre, pccs are pistol, pdws are rifl ?

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 09:14 PM (VA2uw)

510 It's getting to be that time.

Thanks again, Weasel! If you thought tonight was fun, check out my Mauser/Enfield comparison sent to you this afternoon!

Imma go watch some Miami Vice and contemplate buying an Armani suit, a T-shirt and a Bren Ten.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 09:14 PM (llXky)

511 Anyway, back on carbines. Of course, I don't care what folks care to use, buy, train with it, have it with you. Carbines are much more versatile than pistols at everything but very short distance quick shots.

But I can stuff a side-folding AK with a 16 barrel in a tennis racket case and that works fine. Or I have an AR pistol, 10" barrel isn't ideal but it's still a rifle. Both work as discreet car guns.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at July 24, 2022 09:15 PM (xcxpd)

512 Thank you Ben Had. Lots of laughter and tears yesterday. Much gratitude for the love and support of friends and family (the family I was born into and my Horde family).

Posted by: screaming in digital at July 24, 2022 09:15 PM (v1B+8)

513 in fairness, even deranged suicidal, teenage murderers have too much pride to go out running a hi-point.

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 09:15 PM (VA2uw)

514 OK. 9:15 thank you time.

Thank you all for being here and participating, and understanding if I get annoyed when it starts going sideways. Appreciate it.

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 09:15 PM (0IeYL)

515 Thank you for your patience, weasel.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at July 24, 2022 09:16 PM (5pTK/)

516 I feel bad missing the Book Thread, but I have threatened for years to write a series of vignettes/short stories and call it, 'THE BOOK OF GUNS', made up of totally subjective impressions of all the guns I've shot/and/or handled, which honestly runs close to 1,000 different objects. Not kidding.
Everyone would hate it, because reasons, but the single story of one of the first USA Glocks in the Glock Box, where that ATF plastic sight flew off with first round, and subsequent fun, would be worth the purchase.

Posted by: LenNeal at July 24, 2022 09:16 PM (U11/V)

517 What about new Apollo? You get a great moment of chubby Apollo giving a salute before the big planet heist with two Battlestars and a crate of Beretta Cx4 Storm.

Posted by: Brometheus at July 24, 2022 09:13 PM (Y4de+)
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I made it through much of the first season of the remake and quit in disgust. Sorry. If you click on my sig and go to my site, you'll see I've got a whole series of articles on why BSG 2.0 sucks rocks.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 09:16 PM (llXky)

518 But I can stuff a side-folding AK with a 16 barrel in a tennis racket case and that works fine. Or I have an AR pistol, 10" barrel isn't ideal but it's still a rifle. Both work as discreet car guns.
Posted by: Mar

the thing with the shorty ar is the reliability with the short barrels, that is the reasn I am interested in the aks.

have you tried the law tactical folders?

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 09:17 PM (VA2uw)

519 >>> 234 Is the Texas MoMe in October again?
Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 24, 2022 08:02 PM (ybIRR)

I challenge you to find a single person who has attended a TXMoMe and not found it to be a life altering experience. Life altering for the good even! So please quit screwing around and making up reasons not to commit and start planning on getting your ass to Texas in October!

Yep. It's *always* in October, 3rd or 4th weekend.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 24, 2022 09:17 PM (llON8)

520 The old BSG had Maren Jensen. So, slight edge of old BSG over new BSG.

Posted by: Puddleglum at July 24, 2022 09:18 PM (sAmhv)

521 Aww....well special thanks to Weasel for riding herd.

I do love this thread and this blog. And some of the morons here.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at July 24, 2022 09:18 PM (xcxpd)

522 Thanks, Weasel. Have a good week.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 24, 2022 09:18 PM (Xrfse)

523 Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 09:15 PM (0IeYL)

Thanks Weasel, it's been a fun night! Keep the 1911s coming!

Posted by: Draki at July 24, 2022 09:18 PM (Y4de+)

524 and a Bren Ten.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 09:14 PM

Don't forget to sing "knock-knock-knocking on forty-one magnum's door"

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 24, 2022 09:18 PM (a3Q+t)

525 But I can stuff a side-folding AK with a 16 barrel in a tennis racket case and that works fine. Or I have an AR pistol, 10" barrel isn't ideal but it's still a rifle. Both work as discreet car guns.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at July 24, 2022 09:15 PM (xcxpd)
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Mauser c96 w/holster stock for the win.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 09:19 PM (llXky)

526 ..I'm with you on that. Still love my .38 and I originally bought the .32 because I was curious about it. But the difference in handling is undeniable. Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 07:57 PM (llXky)

Most revolvers feature replaceable grips or grip panels, allowing a nearly endless variety of aftermarket options.

For example, I have the classic, wooden "Banana Grip" on my Taurus 85 Total Titanium. Does the same job as the Charter Arms grip, providing room for the pinkie finger. But, being smoothly finished wood, they don't snag on clothing. And the shape of 'em is damn near perfect, they're great at moderating recoil in the bargain. Finally, they look great, too!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 24, 2022 09:19 PM (tkOps)

527 519 >>> 234 Is the Texas MoMe in October again?
Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 24, 2022 08:02 PM (ybIRR)

I challenge you to find a single person who has attended a TXMoMe and not found it to be a life altering experience. Life altering for the good even! So please quit screwing around and making up reasons not to commit and start planning on getting your ass to Texas in October!

Yep. It's *always* in October, 3rd or 4th weekend.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 24, 2022 09:17 PM (llON

And it's conducted in a language understandable to the average person. Mostly.

Posted by: Eromero at July 24, 2022 09:19 PM (0OP+5)

528 It's weird how a high school dropout can buy $2000+ worth of guns in three months, but a masters degree student can't pay back her loans.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Norway only has EVs because the government has guns at July 24, 2022 09:11 PM

It's weird how an 18 year old can sign for $200,000 in school loans but can't get a $10,000 business loan.

Stuff is broken.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 24, 2022 09:19 PM (bVYXr)

529 Posted by: Moron Robbie - Norway only has EVs because the government has guns at July 24, 2022 09:11 PM (gIwDN)

1) Overindulgent parents/relatives (free room and board).
2) A masters degree in computer engineering is not the same as a masters degree in international women's studies. More demand for Comp E masters degrees vs. international women's studies.

Posted by: Ed L at July 24, 2022 09:19 PM (/lmRp)

530 Both work as discreet car guns.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at July 24, 2022 09:15 PM (xcxpd)

And NEITHER work very well IWB. Just sayin'.

Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 09:19 PM (SVBqo)

531 Well, I'm out.

Later!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at July 24, 2022 09:20 PM (5pTK/)

532
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 09:16 PM (llXky)

Thanks, I'll check it out. Still love the show. I enjoy the suspense and the action. The tactical decisions made lots of sense and the look of it is amazing.

Posted by: Draki at July 24, 2022 09:20 PM (Y4de+)

533 And NEITHER work very well IWB. Just sayin'.
Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 09:19 PM (SVBqo)

LOL

I have, shall we say, other options for carry tools.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at July 24, 2022 09:20 PM (xcxpd)

534 Thanks for hosting, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at July 24, 2022 09:21 PM (/lmRp)

535 Yep. It's *always* in October, 3rd or 4th weekend.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 24, 2022 09:17 PM (llON

It's the first time after spring in TX when your gun doesn't look at you and say, "D*mnit, I'm sweating here!"

Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 09:22 PM (SVBqo)

536 Mauser c96 w/holster stock for the win.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 09:19 PM (llXky)

Love the look/idea of the C96 (I'm an old Jon Sable Freelance fan) but I'm a bit worried about wearing out the barrel and not being able to replace it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at July 24, 2022 09:22 PM (xcxpd)

537 For example, I have the classic, wooden "Banana Grip" on my Taurus 85 Total Titanium. Does the same job as the Charter Arms grip, providing room for the pinkie finger.

Posted by: Jim at July 24, 2022 09:19 PM (tkOps)
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Not going to argue with you, the Undercoverette just felt great out of the box and won me over.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 09:22 PM (llXky)

538 I saw Zepperella play a free concert in GG park and they were teh awesome. And teh hawt.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 24, 2022 09:22 PM (EZebt)

539 Hello Weasel and all other gun thread posters. Only two gun related items this week. Yesterday I loaded up some 300 Blackout with some 150gr and 125gr bullets. I had some previous data with the 150s while the 125s are new so decided to see how they’ll work out.

Today I just finished filling one of the Protektor rear bags I bought on Weasel’s recommendation. I bought one of the AR bags which will probably get the most use and one of their BB rear bags. If I had to do it again, I would probably buy them pre-filled as it is an exercise in patience filling them with the little fill tabs they give you. Seems like it still needs a little more in it but wary of filling them too much based on the advice here. Gave me time to smoke one of the Romeo y Julietas I bought awhile back so not all bad.

Posted by: Arch Stanton at July 24, 2022 09:23 PM (2VTt6)

540 I challenge you to find a single person who has attended a TXMoMe and not found it to be a life altering experience. Life altering for the good even!

Weasel, be careful about raising expectations *too* high; not everyone gets elevated to Honorary Texan, with all the rights, privileges, and responsibilities pertaining thereunto.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 24, 2022 09:23 PM (a3Q+t)

541 Posted by: Arch Stanton at July 24, 2022 09:23 PM (2VTt6)

Made it just in time!

Posted by: Draki at July 24, 2022 09:23 PM (Y4de+)

542 masters degree in computer engineering is not the same as a masters degree in international women's studies. More demand for Comp E masters degrees vs. international women's studies.

*

Point being the same people who insist little highly educated Timmy can't pay for his loan are completely silent regarding little dropout Timmy paying for his guns.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Norway only has EVs because the government has guns at July 24, 2022 09:23 PM (gIwDN)

543 Arch Stanton at July

nice

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 09:23 PM (uzIqO)

544 Love the look/idea of the C96 (I'm an old Jon Sable Freelance fan) but I'm a bit worried about wearing out the barrel and not being able to replace it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at July 24, 2022 09:22 PM (xcxpd)
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You can have them relined - that's what I did with mine. Beautiful, immaculate bore. A shooter's gun.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 09:24 PM (llXky)

545 I have, shall we say, other options for carry tools.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at July 24, 2022 09:20 PM (xcxpd)

"Is that a PDW in your pants or am I *really* happy to see you?"

Posted by: GWB at July 24, 2022 09:24 PM (SVBqo)

546 Thanks Weasel. Now that I've read the comments, I'll go back and read She Equips Herself and Cigar Vixen. By the way, I we make it back home from Shreveport in time tomorrow, I may smoke a cigar and have a drink on the deck if not too hot.

Posted by: Eromero at July 24, 2022 09:25 PM (0OP+5)

547 Ok, I'm done. Really done. Thanks again, Weasel!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 24, 2022 09:25 PM (llXky)

548 Strangely enough, these exact same people seem entirely uninterested in asking how everyone is enjoying their $15 minimum wage.

It's weird.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Norway only has EVs because the government has guns at July 24, 2022 09:26 PM (gIwDN)

549 Thank you Weasel and Horde!

Posted by: screaming in digital at July 24, 2022 09:26 PM (v1B+8)

550 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at July 24, 2022 09:22 PM (xcxpd)

7.63mm Mauser ammo isn't exactly easy to come by either. Personally, messing up w/ the internal parts in field stripping or putting it back together again scares me off shooting one of these. If some part breaks or gets lost, where can you find replacement/spare parts?

Posted by: Ed L at July 24, 2022 09:26 PM (/lmRp)

551 Apologies for my ignorance but what is PDW and PCC?

Posted by: Ciampino - always define abbrev. on first use at July 24, 2022 09:27 PM (qfLjt)

552 Ciampino - personal defense weapon and pistol caliber carbine

Posted by: Arch Stanton at July 24, 2022 09:28 PM (2VTt6)

553 Posted by: screaming in digital at July 24, 2022 09:26 PM (v1B+

Thanks for stopping by with the DMV Morons, and I hope you had fun today at ESS!

Posted by: Ed L at July 24, 2022 09:28 PM (/lmRp)

554 PDWs are manufactured by aliens, if P90 is the archetype.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 24, 2022 09:30 PM (ybIRR)

555 Oh damn almost forgot, also ordered one of the Heritage Rough Rider revolvers. Vance Outdoor had them for $100 so even if shipping tax and transfer, still ahead versus buying locally. They also have a $20 rebate on them iif you buy through the end of the month. For that price, why not?

Posted by: Arch Stanton at July 24, 2022 09:31 PM (2VTt6)

556 Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 24, 2022 09:30 PM (ybIRR)

And made of "unobtainium," if you're talking about the P90's biggest rival, the HK MP7.

Posted by: Ed L at July 24, 2022 09:32 PM (/lmRp)

557 Today I just finished filling one of the Protektor rear bags I bought on Weasel’s recommendation. I bought one of the AR bags which will probably get the most use and one of their BB rear bags. If I had to do it again, I would probably buy them pre-filled as it is an exercise in patience filling them with the little fill tabs they give you. Seems like it still needs a little more in it but wary of filling them too much based on the advice here..
Posted by: Arch Stanton at July 24, 2022 09:23 PM (2VTt6)
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I always buy them pre-filled, and they are always exactly right. You want them FULL but not OVER full. You do not want any "bounce" in the back on recoil.

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 09:33 PM (0IeYL)

558 As always I so look forward to seeing ya'll in Oct.

PSA- the deep fried bacon is to die for- courtesy of Helena Handbasket and cooked to perfection by FryDaddy Barton.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 24, 2022 09:35 PM (l6ok8)

559 Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 09:33 PM (0IeYL)

Right, wasn’t that just last week? I’ll try it as is and adjust as needed.

Posted by: Arch Stanton at July 24, 2022 09:35 PM (2VTt6)

560 Last thought, I had a buddy who bought a Lew Horton Special .41 Magnum custom 3", and that goddam gun was absolutely the most ridiculous cannon I've ever had the misfortune to shoot. I vaguely recall it had fingergrip rosewood stocks, and it was like having both your palms being hit by an MLB star hitter with a baseball bat.
The blast, with 296 handoads, which he had to compress and crimp as they would otherwise push the bullets up out of the casings, were absurd. It was the size of a garbage can.

Posted by: LenNeal at July 24, 2022 09:36 PM (U11/V)

561 Ed L, I had a blast! Thank you for sharing gubs, expertise & ammo. One of the most fun range outings I've ever had.

Posted by: screaming in digital at July 24, 2022 09:38 PM (v1B+8)

562 In the case of the young man who took down the shooter in the IN mall, I can’t help but wonder one thing:

Yes, you take an adrenaline dump, your heart is racing, fight or flight, and all that, trembling hands, even. But events like this, I suspect, force upon you a level of clarity and focus like you would not believe. That may have helped him. No substitution for range time, of course, but maybe that helped him in the end.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 24, 2022 09:38 PM (CdZ4i)

563 528
It's weird how an 18 year old can sign for $200,000 in school loans but can't get a $10,000 business loan.

Stuff is broken.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 24, 2022 09:19 PM (bVYXr)
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The business loan can be defaulted by bankruptcy whereas the college loan is not voided by bankruptcy and has to be paid back.

Posted by: Ciampino - banks know their business at July 24, 2022 09:38 PM (qfLjt)

564 Depends on the mission. If I'm in CQB situation clearing rooms in a MOUT scenario, short barreled AK all the way. If I'm introducing new shooters to firearms, I think 9mm PCC are a far better choice.
Posted by: Ed L at July 24, 2022 09:10 PM (/lmRp

I think a lot of the special hostage response teams like the SAS use the 9mm H&K .

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter making trouble at July 24, 2022 09:38 PM (Eu9d8)

565 Sent this to my state legislators this afternoon:

Proposal: Add a None of The Above option to ballots

Goal: Allow people to clearly state that none of the candidates represent their views

In many elections, I find that none of the candidates are people I want in office. Currently, this means that I have to either vote for the lesser evil, but still vote for evil, or vote for no one. I find both options distasteful, because it doesn't tell the powers that nominate candidates that they have failed.

My proposal has two parts. First, if None of the Above wins the most votes, then a new election is required for that office. None of the initial slate of candidates for that office, nor any loser from any other election on that ballot, is allowed as a candidate for the new election.

Second, any candidate for an office where None of the Above wins cannot run for an elected office for four (4) years, nor be appointed to a state or lower-level office for the same period of time. I am also open to extending this restriction to any candidate who gets fewer votes than None of the Above.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at July 24, 2022 09:39 PM (oGiDo)

566 Part 2:

Possible Issues

1) Presidential elections could get interesting. If None of the Above wins, it could create some interesting dynamics. If (my state) elects "None of the Above", it would certainly break any belief in a landslide victory.

2) It would create greater accountability of incumbents to the voters. Even if they run unopposed, they can still lose the election and office if they vote against the interests of their electorate.

3) For a time, there would likely be more elections as bad candidates and elected officials lose to None of the Above.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at July 24, 2022 09:40 PM (oGiDo)

567 Thanks Weasel. Y'all have fun.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Norway only has EVs because the government has guns at July 24, 2022 09:41 PM (5PgW4)

568 Ben Had,
Late rejoining the party. missed much of above - suggestion - any way to find an IDPA-certified RO in Corsicana who might be persuaded to help out for food and drink?

Posted by: Gref at July 24, 2022 09:42 PM (AMIL/)

569 On road again, thx for post weasel. Will read later.

Posted by: whig at July 24, 2022 09:43 PM (zxCre)

570 Dean Wormer was also the mayor in Dirty Harry.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 24, 2022 08:22 PM (ybIRR)

Wow! I forgot that...he was great in "Charlie Varrick".
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Pfft. Mr. Big, in 'I'm Gonna Get You Sucka'

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 24, 2022 09:44 PM (4E7Sa)

571 I'm gonna take a couple new rifles with never-tried scopes into the woods tomorrow and see what it takes to get rounds on paper. I'll hang 24x36 sheets of paper with a black dot in the middle and hope the first shot punctures at 50 yards, and go from there. .22 Ruger 10-22 and a cheap AR15 5.56 from S&W.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at July 24, 2022 09:45 PM (3tlbi)

572 Depends on the mission. If I'm in CQB situation clearing rooms in a MOUT scenario, short barreled AK all the way. If I'm introducing new shooters to firearms, I think 9mm PCC are a far better choice.
Posted by: Ed L at July 24, 2022 09:10 PM (/lmRp

I think a lot of the special hostage response teams like the SAS use the 9mm H&K .
Posted by: Ant

which is a VERY specialized mission that hardly anyone outside a very few elite troops ever do, and even they hardly do those.

they are a niche gun for guys that are working indoors

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 09:46 PM (sXQoi)

573 556 Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 24, 2022 09:30 PM (ybIRR)

And made of "unobtainium," if you're talking about the P90's biggest rival, the HK MP7.

Posted by: Ed L at July 24, 2022 09:32 PM (/lmRp)
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Unobtainium? Isn't that in the Periodic Table?

Posted by: Ciampino - Mendeleef is stirring at July 24, 2022 09:48 PM (qfLjt)

574 Posted by: Anti doesn't matter making trouble at July 24, 2022 09:38 PM (Eu9d

Subsonic 9mm fired out of a suppressed HK MP5 platform is quiet. The MP5SD (w/ integral suppressor) is VERY quiet. The ability to quiet down the 9mm is the reason why the HK MP5 platform still has a place in the special operations world, despite the proliferation of short barreled rifles displacing SMGs.

Posted by: Ed L at July 24, 2022 09:48 PM (/lmRp)

575 what is more, the military guys running pccs run full auto pccs, which is where they shine

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 09:50 PM (wCKaf)

576 Well, now I'll really be done, but in incredibly stressful situations, some people just go into a state of preternatural calm. It's like it's happening in another existence, and in slow motion.
Everything, and everyone, is moving in slow motion, and that person is like that X-Men guy, who just can move around. That's kind of what it's like.
Not that I'd know.

Posted by: LenNeal at July 24, 2022 09:51 PM (U11/V)

577 they are a niche gun for guys that are working indoors

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That's pretty much the entire reason I have my 9mm PCC as a home defense weapon. It rings steel plates out to 100 yards, but it's headshot accurate - and I'd confidently take the shot - out to 40.

But the biggest reason is having 30 HST rounds I can put in a pot-pie sized group anywhere in the house from any distance at any time, with another magazine clipped beside the first and ready to switch.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Norway only has EVs because the government has guns at July 24, 2022 09:51 PM (5PgW4)

578 574 Posted by: Anti doesn't matter making trouble at July 24, 2022 09:38 PM (Eu9d

Subsonic 9mm fired out of a suppressed HK MP5 platform is quiet. The MP5SD (w/ integral suppressor) is VERY quiet. The ability to quiet down the 9mm is the reason why the HK MP5 platform still has a place in the special operations world, despite the proliferation of short barreled rifles displacing SMGs.

Posted by: Ed L at July 24, 2022 09:48 PM (/lmRp)
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I've never heard a firearm shooting with a suppressor but it is common in novels and movies. Just how "quiet" are sound-suppressed weapons?

Posted by: Ciampino - Is it PSST or psst? at July 24, 2022 09:52 PM (qfLjt)

579
Posted by: Ed L at July 24, 2022 09:48 PM (/lmRp)

Yes I agree and understand but the argument. not made by you , was the round is ineffective.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter making trouble at July 24, 2022 09:53 PM (Eu9d8)

580 For Lloyd- do you use moon clips with the ACP, and did the pistol come with them?

Posted by: Farmer Bob at July 24, 2022 09:54 PM (9ZCCq)

581 Gref, how about a police officer?

Posted by: Ben Had at July 24, 2022 09:54 PM (l6ok8)

582 Should homeboy have carried a gun in that mall? Perhaps not. But he did. And he was a few dozen yards out when shit got kinetic. Not optimal. He did what he could, and it worked.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 24, 2022 09:59 PM (Zhwz2)

583 ONT should be along soon. Goodnight everybody.

Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 09:59 PM (0IeYL)

584 ----
I've never heard a firearm shooting with a suppressor but it is common in novels and movies. Just how "quiet" are sound-suppressed weapons?
Posted by: Ciampino
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There are a lot of variables.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 24, 2022 09:59 PM (lRqp7)

585 Nighter's Weasel. Thanks, again, for the thread, and all of the work.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 24, 2022 10:00 PM (lRqp7)

586 A suppressor brings a 160db bang down to 130db. A kitten landing on a pillow, just like the movies.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 24, 2022 10:01 PM (ybIRR)

587
That's pretty much the entire reason I have my 9mm PCC as a home defense weapon. It rings steel plates out to 100 yards, but it's headshot accurate - and I'd confidently take the shot - out to 40.

But the biggest reason is having 30 HST rounds I can put in a pot-pie sized group anywhere in the house from any distance at any time, with another magazine clipped beside the first and ready to switch.
Posted by: Mor

I agree with that, however, I would think having "a gun" that is a bit more jack of all trades as a go to would be better.

If you were just doing room clearing yes, but if you have to go outside then it is a hard fit.

Posted by: confederatefifth at July 24, 2022 10:01 PM (wCKaf)

588 Before the ONT, let me say thanks again to Weasel for not only the content and the forum, but the moderation he practices.

(Pro tip -- having met him, Weasel is no one to be trifled with ... 8^)

Night, all!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at July 24, 2022 10:02 PM (v23vE)

589 NOOD ONT

Posted by: Ciampino - Is it PSST or psst? at July 24, 2022 10:03 PM (qfLjt)

590 ONT should be along soon. Goodnight everybody.
Posted by: Weasel at July 24, 2022 09:59 PM (0IeYL)

That was not a happy goodnight . Sorry if I contributed to any of it.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter making trouble at July 24, 2022 10:03 PM (Eu9d8)

591 Posted by: Anti doesn't matter making trouble at July 24, 2022 09:53 PM (Eu9d

Primarily because more bad guys have body armor these days than they did 40 years ago.

Posted by: Ed L at July 24, 2022 10:04 PM (/lmRp)

592 I agree with that, however, I would think having "a gun" that is a bit more jack of all trades as a go to would be better.

If you were just doing room clearing yes, but if you have to go outside then it is a hard fit.
Posted by: confederatefifth

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Sure, if I could only have one gun. For my environment inside our home and with our kids and their perculiarities, the PCC *is* the jack of all trades, though. If I go to walmart I've got the carry pistol and the PCC in the backpack in the car.

Like I always tell my friends, I only use my pistol to get to my long guns.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Norway only has EVs because the government has guns at July 24, 2022 10:04 PM (5PgW4)

593 Just how "quiet" are sound-suppressed weapons?
Posted by: Ciampino - Is it PSST or psst? at July 24, 2022 09:52 PM (qfLjt)

I have one .45 can that I got adapters to fit various rifles and pistols. Two of the rifles are almost "movie quiet", subsonic .300aac and subsonic 5.7x28. My Beretta Model 70 .22lr pistol is movie quiet with subsonic ammo. Literally just a *pssf* noise. Snapping your fingers is louder. It would be good for a mob assassin.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 24, 2022 10:05 PM (Iaj3u)

594 FWIW, I'm not chasing anyone outside. If they can successfully bleed out outside, that's great. I won't be following after I've stopped the threat.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Norway only has EVs because the government has guns at July 24, 2022 10:07 PM (5PgW4)

595 Primarily because more bad guys have body armor these days than they did 40 years ago.
Posted by: Ed L at July 24, 2022 10:04 PM (/lmRp)

Good point . Mozambique Drill.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter making trouble at July 24, 2022 10:07 PM (Eu9d8)

596 Posted by: Ciampino - Is it PSST or psst? at July 24, 2022 09:52 PM (qfLjt)

Even if the shot itself is nearly completely silent, the impact of the bullet on the target will make noise. As I understand it (from the lips of a SOF veteran), the point isn't that the suppressed weapon is completely/nearly silent. It's that the noise the suppressed weapon makes gets lost in the noise of the battlefield environment. For example, if the M240B or M2HB opens up on the bad guys, someone flanking around w/ a suppressed weapon will be very hard, if not impossible, to pick up amid the noise the MG's make.

Posted by: Ed L at July 24, 2022 10:09 PM (/lmRp)

597 Snapping your fingers is louder. It would be good for a mob assassin.
Posted by: G'rump928
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As I have pointed out, the High Standard Model B .22 was a favorite of certain services, right up through VN Pic:
https://tinyurl.com/yc7wrrx4

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 24, 2022 10:12 PM (UVAEk)

598 Even when a suppressor only lowers the decibels to hearing safe, it attenuates the muzzle blast so that it just sounds like a noise, like someone dropping a hammer on their deck. Not sharp like an unsuppressed shot.

Suppressors really are the bee's knees. I wish they were not an NFA item. I know my hearing would be a lot better had I used one all my life.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 24, 2022 10:13 PM (Iaj3u)

599 As I have pointed out, the High Standard Model B .22 was a favorite of certain services, right up through VN

Good volume on that suppressor, and volume is key, even more so than baffling.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 24, 2022 10:14 PM (Iaj3u)

600 I know my hearing would be a lot better had I used one all my life.
Posted by: G'rump9
[rotates 'better' ear toward Grump]

I'm sorry, what was that?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 24, 2022 10:15 PM (UVAEk)

601 517: but, but, but the Cylons HAD A PLAN!!!

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 24, 2022 10:19 PM (CdZ4i)

602 In fairness, I developed lots of plans for Number 6 as well.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Norway only has EVs because the government has guns at July 24, 2022 10:24 PM (5PgW4)

603 “Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.”-Mike Tyson.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 24, 2022 10:31 PM (aex1q)

604 No range report. I intend to order from CMP a USGI 1911 model A1 Colt .45 pistol tomorrow. I entered into a lottery about six months ago to try to win the right to buy a surplus pistol. I assumed that my lottery number was too high and that by now they had all been sold. Last week they called me to tell me I could buy either a Service Grade at $1050 or a Rack Grade for $850. I have bought several M1 Garands and 1903 Springfield from CMP. I have never owned or fired a 1911. Tell me all about this model of gun. Has anyone else bought a 1911 A1 .45 ACP from CMP?

Posted by: Bond in Michigan at July 24, 2022 11:05 PM (hEwF5)

605 That cover… first time a Led Zeppelin song gave me an erection.

Posted by: Mitch probably at July 25, 2022 01:18 AM (zMYGS)

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