Texas Department of Public Safety Admits: Waiting an Hour Before Taking Out an Armed Madman in a Room Full of Children Was Not the Optimal Call

We made a bad call, Ripley.


Julio Rosas
@Julio_Rosas11

DPS Director McGraw says it was a mistake for the on-scene commander to determine the shooter was a "barricaded subject" instead of an active shooter. Believing he was a "barricaded subject" gave police the false impression they had time.

Scott MacFarlane
@MacFarlaneNews

Texas DPS: On-site commander was convinced there was no more threat to the children... Which is why posture of police changed

But agency now acknowledges: Kids were still at risk. And kids and others needed medical response

It was a bad call, Ripley. There's no getting around that. It was a bad call.

Don't re-think your initial declaration while you've got a madman in a room with children. Just keep "waiting for resources." Just keep waiting for the Real Police to save you.

I know everyone's shocked that the cop paid to be at the school, safeguarding it, was in fact not at the school, and the cops are not giving us a reason why he wasn't at the school.

Julio Rosas
@Julio_Rosas11

DPS Director McGraw confirms a school resource officer was not originally on campus before the shooting but could not explain why that was the case.

What do you want to guess? Donuts or banging his mistress?

Think we'll find out that he did this routinely, and that people at the school and other cops routinely covered for him?

They decided they had time to send someone to go find the spare key to get into the room instead of knocking the door in.

Wouldn't want to harm that door. That could cost a couple hundred dollars to fix!

Reporter: "What efforts were the officers making to try and break through either that door or another door to get inside the classroom?"

Texas DPS Director Steve McCraw: "None at that time"
https://t.co/FaBNzlT36Z https://t.co/sC65hOrTcR

-- Anthony DeRosa (@Anthony) May 27, 2022

And apparently the Border Patrol Tactical team that killed the shooter did wait and waste time before breaching the room and killing the maniac.

But they were told to wait by local police.

J. David Goodman
@jdavidgoodman

DEVELOPING: The tactical team that eventually killed the Uvalde gunman arrived at the school far earlier than previously known, but was told to hold back and not go in by local police, according to two officials familiar with the response

w/
@esullivannyt

Remember, no one needs a gun.

You have the highly-trained and motivated professionals of government-paid law enforcement to protect you and your family.

Repeating this question:

Here's what I'd like investigated: I wonder if the nation's prioritization of never shooting "unarmed (but actually armed) felons" has caused us to stop hiring cops with the sort of psychology you actually need for effective law enforcement -- which may occasionally necessitate shooting people -- and caused us instead to hire passive, cowardly shlubs who enjoy sitting around picking the underwear out of their asses while waiting for Real Police to show up and do their jobs for them.

I honestly do not understand how "men" were content to stand outside while a real monster was inside a room with children, some alive, some dead, some bleeding out, and were content to just stand there doing nothing.

Wasn't this what they signed up for?

Or was it just all for the early retirement?

Posted by: Ace at 02:17 PM




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1
Banging his donuts.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 27, 2022 02:18 PM (s2VJv)

2 Banging his donuts.

I thought only Stelter did that.

Posted by: Ian S. at May 27, 2022 02:19 PM (ZGrMX)

3 "Followed the policy. The policy will be updated slightly. No one was at fault. Raises all around!"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 27, 2022 02:19 PM (LvTSG)

4 Shorter version : Oops! My bad!!!

Posted by: kraken at May 27, 2022 02:19 PM (Vr12I)

5 Just a bad call, no one is to blame, what difference at this point does it make....

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 27, 2022 02:19 PM (XvPQV)

6 Usually this kind of fuckup is due to a disagreement of who is in charge. How long did it take them to decide who was top chop?

Posted by: Puddinhead at May 27, 2022 02:20 PM (KY22T)

7 Remember, no one needs a gun.

You have the highly-trained and motivated professionals of government-paid law enforcement to protect you and your family.

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And only professional agents of the state are trained to deal with scary situations.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 27, 2022 02:20 PM (LvTSG)

8 Fine.

Now explain the outright lies.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 27, 2022 02:20 PM (occSg)

9 6 PRECISELY WHY WE NEED THE 2A
Posted by: MONSTER UNIVERSE MITT ROMNEY at May 27, 2022 02:20 PM (1IJnB)

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Preserved.

Posted by: 496 at May 27, 2022 02:21 PM (VJsqe)

10 I wonder if the nation's prioritization of never shooting "unarmed (but actually armed) felons" has caused us to stop hiring cops with the sort of psychology you actually need for effective law enforcement

The mass early LEO retirements in the wake of the 2020 Summer of Andy Tifa And His Hot Pockets were, by all accounts, not the people you'd want retiring early.

Posted by: Ian S. at May 27, 2022 02:21 PM (ZGrMX)

11 We made a bad call, Ripley.
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Exactly.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at May 27, 2022 02:21 PM (EfFOe)

12 MUMR is right @#6.

Posted by: kraken at May 27, 2022 02:21 PM (Vr12I)

13 One more clusterfuck in a continuing series.

Or, Broward County redux.

Posted by: irongrampa at May 27, 2022 02:21 PM (KATBx)

14 It was a bad call, Ripley. There's no getting around that. It was a bad call.


He was perfect for that role. It's so easy to switch to hating a comedian and them being a good villain. I guess you have to have good insight into dark things to be funny.

Posted by: banana Dream, now 40% less explicit at May 27, 2022 02:21 PM (QzpS1)

15 Mistakes were made.

Posted by: 496 at May 27, 2022 02:22 PM (VJsqe)

16 Who made the larger tactical error?

Napoleon invading Russia with winter coming?

Or the Uvalde police refusing to go in to a classroom?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 27, 2022 02:22 PM (LvTSG)

17 Hot tar
Feathers
Rail

Some assembly required.

Posted by: clutch cargo - Now fortified with CPM-S90V at May 27, 2022 02:22 PM (qFarZ)

18 For our 2A rights, maybe it is a good thing that the police response was so lame - it makes it so clear that banning guns from good guys is a horrible option because the "professionals" are unreliable.

Posted by: Iris at May 27, 2022 02:22 PM (DibdT)

19 What do you want to guess? Donuts or banging his mistress?

Couldn't he do both, like the late Earl Warren?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 27, 2022 02:22 PM (2JVJo)

20 Sally was walking around on school property and the adjoining area for twelve (12) f*cking minutes actively shooting at people before y'all decided to show up.

Why is that? Is that type of violence a common thing? Is that why the school didn't even bother closing the doors when the teachers and administrative staff heard it going on outside?

But most importantly, why did you lie about "we engaged him when he crashed his vehicle and he ran into the school"?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 27, 2022 02:23 PM (occSg)

21 You want the cops to fear and respect you? Have a gun and be ready to use it.

The commander on site should be fired or eat his gun

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 27, 2022 02:23 PM (XvPQV)

22
"OKAY guys- listen up. Chief says if we keep the guy in one room, he only kills everybody in there- then once that's done, we should be able to go in. Sound good?"

Posted by: DB at May 27, 2022 02:23 PM (geLO8)

23 "Wouldn't want to harm that door. That could cost a couple hundred dollars to fix!"

Small observation, but 1000:1 odds that the school will be bulldozed because of this trauma (like Columbine IIRC) and millions will have to be spent on a new elementary school.

Look at all the money that was "injected into the economy" - White House muppet Biden (there are so many).

Posted by: Scott_T at May 27, 2022 02:23 PM (2waQ7)

24 Blowing a call is fine if, for example, you work in a tire store, or sell vacuum cleaners. Blowing a call is most definitely UN cool when you are supposed to be the Calvary.

Posted by: Weasel at May 27, 2022 02:23 PM (0IeYL)

25 in our county, only secondary schools have dedicated resource officers at each school, while elementaries have roving officers who rotate among several sites.
One of our supervisors (the one who was elected for flipping off Trump while riding her bicycle) is already on record, in responding to parents who said the most vulnerable small children needed an SRO at each site, to say the last thing she wants is "more police presence in her children's lives".
crazy is/crazy does

Posted by: barbarausa at May 27, 2022 02:23 PM (RY/x5)

26 "in hindsight"

fuck off with that shit

Posted by: x at May 27, 2022 02:23 PM (uQFwj)

27 What do you want to guess? Donuts or banging his mistress?


I'm betting both.
With so many previous lockdowns, I wonder if it was the case of Crying Wolf.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 27, 2022 02:23 PM (anj39)

28 Also, why was a door propped open?

For an air conditioned building, in Texas, in summer?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 27, 2022 02:23 PM (UuD2k)

29 Sigh

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2022 02:23 PM (d0Qel)

30
When you disincentivize anyone for becoming a cop and change rules of engagement to be as Harry Callahan said "stylish," you get this.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 27, 2022 02:23 PM (s2VJv)

31 In Japan, prior to 1945, there would be people lining up to commit seppuku over this.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at May 27, 2022 02:23 PM (GYIa4)

32 19 For our 2A rights, maybe it is a good thing that the police response was so lame - it makes it so clear that banning guns from good guys is a horrible option because the "professionals" are unreliable.
Posted by: Iris at May 27, 2022 02:22 PM (DibdT)

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There is a massive (MASSIVE) spike in gun sales after every largely publicized gun crime.

Millions of weapons get sold in the ensuing days and weeks. Millions.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 27, 2022 02:23 PM (LvTSG)

33 Death Squads are going to become a thing, aren't they?

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at May 27, 2022 02:24 PM (bA3Ln)

34 Could have been on a zoom call.

Posted by: Jeffy Toobin at May 27, 2022 02:24 PM (WKPeU)

35 The officer happened to be out, a door happened to be open, a maniac happened to obtain expensive weapons, the maniac happened to be herded up to a grade school, the cops happened to not go in, the cops happened to set up a perimeter preventing parents or anyone else to go in, a convention happened to be scheduled a few days later...

Posted by: banana Dream, now 40% less explicit at May 27, 2022 02:24 PM (QzpS1)

36 The mass early LEO retirements in the wake of the 2020 Summer of Andy Tifa And His Hot Pockets were, by all accounts, not the people you'd want retiring early.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 27, 2022 02:21 PM (ZGrMX)

The only SPD officers I have respect for are the one who quit after the CHAZ bullshit.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 27, 2022 02:24 PM (XvPQV)

37 It was PREDICTABLY the wrong decision.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 27, 2022 02:24 PM (VNGpB)

38 19 For our 2A rights, maybe it is a good thing that the police response was so lame - it makes it so clear that banning guns from good guys is a horrible option because the "professionals" are unreliable.
Posted by: Iris at May 27, 2022 02:22 PM (DibdT)

This is an important point. When LE becomes incompetent, corrupt, selective in their duties, it leaves people no other recourse except self protction.

Posted by: kraken at May 27, 2022 02:24 PM (Vr12I)

39 25 Blowing a call is fine if, for example, you work in a tire store, or sell vacuum cleaners. Blowing a call is most definitely UN cool when you are supposed to be the Calvary.
Posted by: Weasel at May 27, 2022 02:23 PM (0IeYL)


In the end, Calvary they got, sadly. Cavalry? Not so much.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 27, 2022 02:24 PM (s2VJv)

40 Posted by: DB at May 27, 2022 02:23 PM (geLO

“Can I hold my gun sideways?”

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 27, 2022 02:24 PM (LPcrG)

41 Shame on our side, though. If the tables were turned, leftists would be marching outside the police HQ, with signs, shouting slogans, making life hell for the small-dick, corpulent, donut sniffing loser cops inside. But that won't happen.

Posted by: 496 at May 27, 2022 02:24 PM (VJsqe)

42 "The commander on site should be fired or eat his gun"

Based on frank admissions of error in today's conference, I expect some people to be fired.

Posted by: Flight Level gp Heavy Chop at May 27, 2022 02:24 PM (qpX6U)

43 32 In Japan, prior to 1945, there would be people lining up to commit seppuku over this.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at May 27, 2022 02:23 PM (GYIa4)

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It's amazing what a culture steeped in shame can produce.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 27, 2022 02:24 PM (LvTSG)

44 I can remember the janitors at the elementary school I attended had huge key rings, allowing them access to everything on campus that had a lock.

With a number of aspects to this shooting, I guess that is but a novelty from a bygone era.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at May 27, 2022 02:25 PM (TNyrE)

45 Make vigilance committees great again.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 27, 2022 02:25 PM (WKPeU)

46
What do you want to guess? Donuts or banging his mistress?
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Doesn't much matter, though. If you're the only guy assigned to the school, there are going to be days you have to bug out. Doc appointment. Banging the mistress. Whatever. It'll happen from time to time.

Why did he not have someone to cover the post, is the question. Is it his fault? That comes down to if he failed to call in. If he called in, and the department didn't have someone else to cover the post, that's on them.

Posted by: @TheRealWilliamHayes at May 27, 2022 02:25 PM (FIJ+3)

47 Hmmm. The Department of Public Safety. Wasn't that the name of the folks during the French Revolution that were guillotining folks? Robespierre?

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at May 27, 2022 02:26 PM (lKAqb)

48 The key is a red herring.

Maybe that delayed things for 30 sec., but it was brought up as an excuse for the delay.

Not saying this based on inside knowledge, but I know how lazy fucks inflate these "artificial barriers" to explain why things ain't getting done.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at May 27, 2022 02:26 PM (tY0Ps)

49 Washington Post senior editor Marc Fisher tweeted on Thursday that the AR-15 rifle was “invented for Nazi infantrymen.”

The entire tweet says: “Invented for Nazi infantrymen, further developed by the US military, the AR-15 was the Texas school shooter’s weapon of choice….”

Posted by: SMOD at May 27, 2022 02:26 PM (RHGPo)

50
IIRC, the piece of shit Broward Police Chief got his job back.

QED.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 27, 2022 02:26 PM (s2VJv)

51 From experience with Texas schools it's common for the school resource officer to only periodically visit the elementary schools, once a day or a few times a week depending on the district, as they usually stay mostly at the high schools. Not sure what this districts policy was.

Posted by: brak at May 27, 2022 02:26 PM (j5Tg0)

52 Based on frank admissions of error in today's conference, I expect some people to be fired.
Posted by: Flight Level gp Heavy Chop

Nah - paid administrative leave.

Posted by: Tonypete at May 27, 2022 02:26 PM (ifHdv)

53 Kids were on 911 crying for help.
I can't imagine the pure terror...
Shame should follow these officers the rest of the days of their lives.

Posted by: gourmand, fasting and praying at May 27, 2022 02:26 PM (jTmQV)

54 Jeanine Pirro said school system has 8 schools and 4 resource officers (on The Five the other day).

Posted by: Glenn John at May 27, 2022 02:26 PM (LilNs)

55 I know everyone's shocked that the cop paid to be at the school, safeguarding it, was in fact not at the school, and the cops are not giving us a reason why he wasn't at the school.


dude! it was LUNCHTIME

Posted by: Black Orchid at May 27, 2022 02:26 PM (w0NJk)

56 You have the highly-trained and motivated professionals of government-paid law enforcement to protect you and your family.

Assuming, of course, that you're a member of the club this is a true statement. Common people, on the other hand, are as common as dirt and not quite as valuable.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at May 27, 2022 02:26 PM (GYIa4)

57 The fbi happened to not act on a warning, The fbi happened to not act on another warning, The fbi happened to not act on another warning, ...

Posted by: banana Dream, now 40% less explicit at May 27, 2022 02:27 PM (QzpS1)

58 Hollywood would have a plot where a parent with a gun (this is Texas) outwitted the police aFnd got to the shooter.

In real life, the parent ends up on the ground, handcuffed while a cop in tac gear sits on him.

Parkland had to wait for some other police force (Coral Gables?) to arrive to take action.

What is going on????

Posted by: JM in Florida at May 27, 2022 02:27 PM (L7jyl)

59 Before everybody goes off half-cocked on the response commander, just remember that he probably has a Bachelor's degree in Criminal Justice, you knuckledraggers.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at May 27, 2022 02:27 PM (sWM8x)

60 47 Hmmm. The Department of Public Safety. Wasn't that the name of the folks during the French Revolution that were guillotining folks? Robespierre?

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at May 27, 2022 02:26 PM (lKAqb)


"The Fire Dept."

- - Montag, 451-F

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 27, 2022 02:27 PM (s2VJv)

61 I own hand guns but they are no match for an AR-15. I don't know why all officers don't have AR-15's and shields in their vehicles.

Maybe some of you that are gun aficionados can answer this asI am not an expert on this subject?

Posted by: redridinghood at May 27, 2022 02:27 PM (NpAcC)

62
The only SPD officers I have respect for are the one who quit after the CHAZ bullshit.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 27, 2022 02:24 PM (XvPQV)


Good thing too. We hired a couple of them in my town.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 27, 2022 02:27 PM (anj39)

63 I hope the TX Dept. of Public Safety has called off their convention slated for the summer after this revelation.
/sarc

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at May 27, 2022 02:27 PM (yikp0)

64 I cannot blame to poor police officer that is ordered to wait.

Some Lt, Captain, or even chief of police needs to be canned over this.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at May 27, 2022 02:27 PM (lKAqb)

65 In the end, Calvary they got, sadly. Cavalry? Not so much.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton

I watch a lot of westerns. the actors get it wrong about half the time.

Posted by: x at May 27, 2022 02:27 PM (uQFwj)

66 Its for the early retirement, Ace. At least for many of them. Sad to say that.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at May 27, 2022 02:27 PM (rBAkF)

67 "OKAY guys- sounds like he's almost done in there. I can't hear any children's voices at all. Just give it a few more minutes. And Dave, put your empty pop can in the trash over there. And no- this doesn't count as overtime."

Posted by: DB at May 27, 2022 02:27 PM (geLO8)

68 Ohhhhhhhhhh well.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at May 27, 2022 02:27 PM (Z7XJd)

69 >>>52 Based on frank admissions of error in today's conference, I expect some people to be fired.
Posted by: Flight Level gp Heavy Chop

Nah - paid administrative leave.
Posted by: Tonypete

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You guys aren't thinking like bureaucrats! Blame the PROCEDURES! Rewrite the PROCEDURES!

No one cares if you "fire" or "demote" a PROCEDURE! Just keep the incompetent goldbricking civil servants in their phoney-baloney jobs!!!

Posted by: ace at May 27, 2022 02:28 PM (AkbRF)

70 Shame should follow these officers the rest of the days of their lives.
Posted by: gourmand, fasting and praying at May 27, 2022 02:26 PM (jTmQV)
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The screams of dying children should haunt their every waking and sleeping moment.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 27, 2022 02:28 PM (K5n5d)

71 63 I hope the TX Dept. of Public Safety has called off their convention slated for the summer after this revelation.
/sarc
Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at May 27, 2022 02:27 PM (yikp0)


"What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas . . ."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 27, 2022 02:28 PM (s2VJv)

72 Katz is an abbreviation formed from the Hebrew initials of the term Cohen Tzedek (Hebrew: כהן צדק, which literally means "authentic priest" or "priest of justice".

Imma gonna need Joos opinion on this. Is this true?

Posted by: Puddinhead at May 27, 2022 02:28 PM (KY22T)

73 Why did he not have someone to cover the post, is the question. Is it his fault? That comes down to if he failed to call in. If he called in, and the department didn't have someone else to cover the post, that's on them.
Posted by: @TheRealWilliamHayes at May 27, 2022


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America no longer seems to believe in backups or cross-training to cover contingencies. Where I work, if Person A is on vacation, there's often no B or C to cover even part of what she (usually it is a "she," nowadays) is supposed to do. Sometimes, if the role of A is crucial enough, but not always.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 27, 2022 02:28 PM (txdEq)

74 The official Texas DPS explanation:

https://tinyurl.com/mu6dsuy8

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 27, 2022 02:28 PM (trdmm)

75 I heard the resource officer drove past the shooter in his vehicle.

Posted by: redridinghood at May 27, 2022 02:28 PM (NpAcC)

76 69 You guys aren't thinking like bureaucrats! Blame the PROCEDURES! Rewrite the PROCEDURES!

No one cares if you "fire" or "demote" a PROCEDURE! Just keep the incompetent goldbricking civil servants in their phoney-baloney jobs!!!
Posted by: ace at May 27, 2022 02:28 PM (AkbRF)

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I definitely thought like this at #3.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 27, 2022 02:28 PM (LvTSG)

77 And the guy calling the shots was the School District Police Chief? Top. Men.

Posted by: jeannebodine at May 27, 2022 02:28 PM (wbP2K)

78 In response to Columbine schools were funded to replace door locks with Columbine locks so door could be locked inside.

So I guess shooter locked himself inside the classroom?

Posted by: torabora at May 27, 2022 02:28 PM (Y274z)

79 89 degF in Houston now, rising to 94 later today.

Posted by: Flight Level gp Heavy Chop at May 27, 2022 02:28 PM (qpX6U)

80 Couldn't he do both, like the late Earl Warren?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 27, 2022 02:22 PM (2JVJo)


Are you crazy? No one could bang mistresses like old Earl.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at May 27, 2022 02:28 PM (GYIa4)

81 >>Hmmm. The Department of Public Safety. Wasn't that the name of the folks during the French Revolution that were guillotining folks? Robespierre?


no, they were the Committee For Public Safety

Posted by: DB at May 27, 2022 02:29 PM (geLO8)

82 I own hand guns but they are no match for an AR-15. I don't know why all officers don't have AR-15's and shields in their vehicles.

Maybe some of you that are gun aficionados can answer this asI am not an expert on this subject?
Posted by: redridinghood at May 27, 2022 02:27 PM (NpAcC)

With the understanding that local cops may have different equipment but every patrol car has a carbine or shotty. Either in the front or in the trunk.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 27, 2022 02:29 PM (XvPQV)

83 I don't get how so many people were so wrong?

All of us here immediately knew it was a poor decision.

Forget the armchair quarterback crap. It was obviously ridiculous to wait.

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 27, 2022 02:29 PM (DcKNO)

84 I would rather have died by breaching than living by doing nothing. What's wrong with "men" these days?

Posted by: Jak Sucio at May 27, 2022 02:29 PM (jvt6t)

85 72 Katz is an abbreviation formed from the Hebrew initials of the term Cohen Tzedek (Hebrew: כהן צדק, which literally means "authentic priest" or "priest of justice".

Imma gonna need Joos opinion on this. Is this true?
Posted by: Puddinhead at May 27, 2022 02:28 PM (KY22T)


More likely, it's just the German word for "cats."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 27, 2022 02:29 PM (s2VJv)

86 Director McGraw says it was a mistake for the on-scene commander to determine the shooter was a "barricaded subject" instead of an active shooter. Believing he was a "barricaded subject" gave police the false impression they had time.

Dude. You go in anyway. And why did they have to wait 40 minutes for keys? Why didn't they move into the area sooner when shots were reported 15 minutes earlier?? This does not wash.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 27, 2022 02:29 PM (KZzsI)

87 >>>In Japan, prior to 1945, there would be people lining up to commit seppuku over this.

I always thought that was a little extreme. I've come to understand, it was an acute sense of shame combined with a society that didn't have a process for penance and redemption. We always had both, a sense of shame and a way back from it, as a society, that is part of what made us great. That is until progressivism, now we have neither.

Posted by: mikethemoose at May 27, 2022 02:29 PM (z/ZJG)

88 New training module incoming. Problem solved!

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at May 27, 2022 02:29 PM (wPuAx)

89 I honestly do not understand how "men" were content to stand outside while a real monster was inside a room with children, some alive, some dead, some bleeding out, and were content to just stand there doing nothing.
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And now we know there were live kids in the room calling 911 and begging for help, even as 19 cops stood outside in the hallway doing nothing.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB at May 27, 2022 02:29 PM (MvHI3)

90 what's important is cops going home safe after the end of their shift, we've been told this for decades. now we are seeing the "quiet part out loud" (as in so many other areas):
they go home safe; everyone else ("civilians") not so much.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - grateful for WWV ! at May 27, 2022 02:29 PM (+o2yA)

91 From experience with Texas schools it's common for the school resource officer to only periodically visit the elementary schools, once a day or a few times a week depending on the district, as they usually stay mostly at the high schools.
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What the hell is the point of that? Does he show up to confirm the body count?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 27, 2022 02:30 PM (rNyNM)

92 Yes the cops are afraid of being Chauvined.

And not just from a racial angle. even slightly inconveniencing a criminal can fuck your life up bigly as a cop. Killing someone? Fuck that.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 27, 2022 02:30 PM (OalnH)

93 Back the blue or something.

Uvalde police full of ham and eggers no doubt. Straight shooters.

Posted by: blaster at May 27, 2022 02:30 PM (9otr5)

94 What is going on????
Posted by: JM in Florida at May 27, 2022 02:27 PM (L7jyl)


As I said before, when this happens again, and it will, look for a gross over reaction by the LEOs.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 27, 2022 02:30 PM (anj39)

95 "How can they live with themselves?"

Hopefully, quite a few will decide they cannot.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at May 27, 2022 02:30 PM (M9XmQ)

96 It's amazing what a culture steeped in shame can produce.

Bingo.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 27, 2022 02:30 PM (Xrfse)

97 87 >>>In Japan, prior to 1945, there would be people lining up to commit seppuku over this.

I always thought that was a little extreme. I've come to understand, it was an acute sense of shame combined with a society that didn't have a process for penance and redemption. We always had both, a sense of shame and a way back from it, as a society, that is part of what made us great. That is until progressivism, now we have neither.
Posted by: mikethemoose at May 27, 2022 02:29 PM (z/ZJG)

========

It was an effective way for the power structure to get rid of problem elements, for good or ill.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 27, 2022 02:30 PM (LvTSG)

98 The leading cause of death by injury in children is gunshot
If adults can not protect them we should allow kids to carry guns
Give them a chance at life!?

Posted by: Steve at May 27, 2022 02:30 PM (7cyn/)

99
Think we'll find out that he did this routinely, and that people at the school and other cops routinely covered for him?


Actually, I think that we just found our designated scapegoat. Better that one single kindergarten cop gets his reputation ruined rather than a whole platoon of police administrators and high ranking officials lose their pensions.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 27, 2022 02:30 PM (n+4am)

100 Think we'll find out that he did this routinely, and that people at the school and other cops routinely covered for him?

I think school security officer has turned into a no-work job for the union. When I went to High School, we had a uniformed cop always around and he was a good guy that the students liked. Well, most of them.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 27, 2022 02:31 PM (KZzsI)

101 The teacher that propped open the door and left it open deserves some of the blame too.

Posted by: redridinghood at May 27, 2022 02:31 PM (NpAcC)

102 Meanwhile over in Houston outside the convention hall, the NRA hunkered down inside.

They gonna send in the Uvalde SWAT team to kill all those ultra MAGA republicans?

They gonna arrest any of the screamers outside?

We're on the threshold of something, Mr Jones. Something is happening.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at May 27, 2022 02:31 PM (KiBMU)

103 Shitheads who would prioritize arresting parents to keep them from entering into a building to save their children over actually doing their job shouldn't be allowed to be in law enforcement. They should be hounded and mocked.

I don't know how they will be able to live with themselves.

Posted by: Miley the duchess at May 27, 2022 02:31 PM (Mzdiz)

104 And why did they have to wait 40 minutes for keys? Why didn't they move into the area sooner when shots were reported 15 minutes earlier?? This does not wash.

those doors are heavy. could injure your shoulder trying to ram them. that's a workplace injury and there goes our bonus. make sure you watch your safety videos this month for more tips

Posted by: HR at May 27, 2022 02:31 PM (j5Tg0)

105 A bad decision sure but you'd have to be mind reader to know that.

Posted by: Joe Biden at May 27, 2022 02:31 PM (WKPeU)

106 >>>84 I would rather have died by breaching than living by doing nothing. What's wrong with "men" these days

It's actually all of the west. We no longer feel shame for our failures or vices. We are beautiful in every way.

Posted by: mikethemoose at May 27, 2022 02:31 PM (z/ZJG)

107 "The teacher that propped open the door and left it open deserves some of the blame too."

Is that teacher alive?

Posted by: Flight Level gp Heavy Chop at May 27, 2022 02:31 PM (qpX6U)

108 A lot of schools have a master key that janitors, maintenance, and city emergency responders have. My university had this 30 years ago. I know this because a friend of mine schlepped one and made a copy on his own grinder before placing it back. Nothing ever got stolen he was just an ordinary harmless rascal that did that sort of thing because it could be done.

Posted by: banana Dream, now 40% less explicit at May 27, 2022 02:31 PM (QzpS1)

109 MUMR bringing more troof.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at May 27, 2022 02:31 PM (Z7XJd)

110 49 Washington Post senior editor Marc Fisher tweeted on Thursday that the AR-15 rifle was “invented for Nazi infantrymen.”

The entire tweet says: “Invented for Nazi infantrymen, further developed by the US military, the AR-15 was the Texas school shooter’s weapon of choice….”
Posted by: SMOD



Top. Men.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at May 27, 2022 02:32 PM (bA3Ln)

111 The entire tweet says: “Invented for Nazi infantrymen, further developed by the US military, the AR-15 was the Texas school shooter’s weapon of choice….”
Posted by: SMOD at May 27, 2022


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If -- IF -- that were true, I'd count it a plus. The Germans made some damn good guns.

And again they are conflating "German" with "Nazi." Not all Germans, even in the armed forces, were members of the Nazi Party.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 27, 2022 02:32 PM (txdEq)

112 Thank goodnes the cops all made it back home safely to their families.

Posted by: 496 at May 27, 2022 02:32 PM (VJsqe)

113 Also, why was a door propped open?

For an air conditioned building, in Texas, in summer?
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 27, 2022 02:23 PM (UuD2k)


Please note...the following is pure speculation and should not be taken as a statement of supposed fact.

In a lot of schools they log comings and goings. If the SRO was supposed to be present - not a rover - but left for some reason which would not have been authorized, propping the door open would allow them to bypass that logging system.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at May 27, 2022 02:32 PM (GYIa4)

114 What the hell is the point of that? Does he show up to confirm the body count?

whether it's limited staffing or budget, they usually don't have one for every campus and put them full time at the schools with the most violence -- the high schools

Posted by: HR at May 27, 2022 02:32 PM (j5Tg0)

115 The tactical team that eventually killed the Uvalde gunman arrived at the school far earlier than previously known, but was told to hold back and not go in by local police, according to two officials familiar with the response

This too completely negates the previous statement. When the experts were there, why wait? Why wait anyway? If children are in danger and shooting is going on WHY WAIT??

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 27, 2022 02:32 PM (KZzsI)

116 85 72 Katz is an abbreviation formed from the Hebrew initials of the term Cohen Tzedek (Hebrew: כהן צדק, which literally means "authentic priest" or "priest of justice".

Imma gonna need Joos opinion on this. Is this true?
Posted by: Puddinhead at May 27, 2022 02:28 PM (KY22T)


More likely, it's just the German word for "cats."
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That was my first guess but the innertubes says its Katz Castle. Now I'm informed that Katzenhammer translates to hangover. WTF?

Posted by: Puddinhead at May 27, 2022 02:32 PM (KY22T)

117 To see is human thin blue line.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 27, 2022 02:32 PM (FVME7)

118 "35 The officer happened to be out, a door happened to be open, a maniac happened to obtain expensive weapons, the maniac happened to be herded up to a grade school, the cops happened to not go in, the cops happened to set up a perimeter preventing parents or anyone else to go in, a convention happened to be scheduled a few days later..."

applying Auric Goldfinger's Rule:
"once is accident, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action" to the 7 bullet points above, what does this make ?

(not really math, just a SWAG ... )

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - grateful for WWV ! at May 27, 2022 02:33 PM (+o2yA)

119 The Fire Dept. was fiction. The DPS was all too real.

Posted by: Zombie Antoine Lavoisier at May 27, 2022 02:33 PM (lKAqb)

120 111
And again they are conflating "German" with "Nazi." Not all Germans, even in the armed forces, were members of the Nazi Party.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 27, 2022 02:32 PM (txdEq)


You miss the greater truth: all white American males are in the Nazi Party, comrade.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 27, 2022 02:33 PM (s2VJv)

121 I'll bet that up until this shooting in the small town of Uvalde was Otis, the town drunk who turned himself in every weekend. Absolutely no experience at all dealing with a crime this horrific.

Posted by: BuckTurgidson1979 at May 27, 2022 02:33 PM (Lv9Cq)

122 @90 - didn't see this, or I wouldn't have posted 112.

Ah, maybe I would've. This is infuriating.

Posted by: 496 at May 27, 2022 02:33 PM (VJsqe)

123 I expect Tommy Lee Jones has already phoned his agent about playing this guy in the movie.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 27, 2022 02:33 PM (videA)

124 58 What is going on????
Posted by: JM in Florida



Everything is Broken.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at May 27, 2022 02:33 PM (bA3Ln)

125 propped open the door

people don't want to deal with buzzing in and out. happens all the time

Posted by: brak at May 27, 2022 02:33 PM (j5Tg0)

126 The FBI is too busy in CYA Mode with the Sussman trial fingering them as Hillary's Henchmen.

Posted by: torabora at May 27, 2022 02:33 PM (Y274z)

127 There are a lot of ignorant and inflammatory comments being made here.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 27, 2022 02:33 PM (lTGtQ)

128 But wouldn't a propped open door be shown by the logging system?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 27, 2022 02:33 PM (UuD2k)

129 Even the name sounds bureaucratic and bullshit. School Resource Officer. Resource for what, Doing donut and coffee runs for teachers?

It’s all fucking nonsense from top to bottom.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 27, 2022 02:33 PM (OalnH)

130 I'm thinking a lot of notes will be going into permanent records come performance review time!

Posted by: Weasel at May 27, 2022 02:34 PM (0IeYL)

131 108 A lot of schools have a master key that janitors, maintenance, and city emergency responders have. My university had this 30 years ago. I know this because a friend of mine schlepped one and made a copy on his own grinder before placing it back. Nothing ever got stolen he was just an ordinary harmless rascal that did that sort of thing because it could be done.
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So he never got into the chemical room in the chemistry lab, rite?

Posted by: Puddinhead at May 27, 2022 02:34 PM (KY22T)

132

To be fair, many schools have classrooms with metal fire doors and sometimes that reinforced safety glass also, and usually open out, and aren't easy to breach without frame spreaders/jaws or quicky saws/hot lances, etc. The key is often the fastest solution if the right tools aren't available.

Which was apparently readily available, and used as soon as scene command released the BP.

What a miserable preventable disaster. Testicular suspension is too good for these vile cowards.

Posted by: Joe Fireplug at May 27, 2022 02:34 PM (7DYli)

133 What do you want to guess? Donuts or banging his mistress?
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Por que no los dos?

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Think we'll find out that he did this routinely, and that people at the school and other cops routinely covered for him?
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Yes. Yes. Yes.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at May 27, 2022 02:34 PM (e284D)

134 "Texas DPS: On-site commander was convinced there was no more threat to the children... Which is why posture of police changed"

Was this determination made before, or after, a cop yelled through the door saying: "Anyone in there in danger? Yell!!"?

Whereupon a little girl yelled and was immediately executed by the killer.

Seems like this latest bullshit story has a big hole in it.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 27, 2022 02:34 PM (kstj5)

135 It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off.

Posted by: ... at May 27, 2022 02:34 PM (dscaa)

136 More likely, it's just the German word for "cats."
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 27, 2022 02:29 PM (s2VJv)
______________

That would be my assumption: a slightly truncated version of "Katze" or "Katzen."

IIRC, German Jewish surnames typically actually mean something in German - unlike a lot of other German surnames, which no longer mean anything - because Jews were required to choose surnames a few hundred years ago, i.e., relatively recently.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 27, 2022 02:35 PM (rNyNM)

137 128 But wouldn't a propped open door be shown by the logging system?
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 27, 2022 02:33 PM (UuD2k)


"You know where else they had open doors."

- - The Capitol Rotunda 1/6/21

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 27, 2022 02:35 PM (s2VJv)

138 But most importantly, why did you lie about "we engaged him when he crashed his vehicle and he ran into the school"?

Posted by: Moron Robbie
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Notice vague words are used so often like 'engaged' in public speak that obfuscate as much as illuminate. Alternative language never used in situations is that police shot at the murderer but did not hit him or police arrived, did not shoot, but cordoned off the area to prevent others from being harmed. All of those statements are clear so that the actions can be judged for their appropriateness. Public speak verbs are used to actively muddy what actions were taken so no judgment is really possible. That is on purpose because so many people fill in the blanks on what happened when obscuring verbs are used.

Posted by: whig at May 27, 2022 02:35 PM (Iq9dF)

139 Even the name sounds bureaucratic and bullshit. School Resource Officer.

it is bureaucratic. 'Security guard" makes them sound like a rent a cop. "Officer" scares parents into thinking the school is a crime scene

Posted by: brak at May 27, 2022 02:35 PM (j5Tg0)

140 A lot of schools have a master key that janitors, maintenance, and city emergency responders have. My university had this 30 years ago. I know this because a friend of mine schlepped one and made a copy on his own grinder before placing it back. Nothing ever got stolen he was just an ordinary harmless rascal that did that sort of thing because it could be done.
Posted by: banana Dream, now 40% less explicit at May 27, 2022 02:31 PM (QzpS1)
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Yep. Where I work, it's possible for a select few individuals on a short list to check out a master key for the entire institution. The university police also have master keys, of course, though I don't know how many campus cops carry one around with them. And the custodians have building keys to the entire building in which they work.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 27, 2022 02:35 PM (K5n5d)

141 #125

Door needed to be electrically operated with a camera and remote button

You know, the same setup Matt Lauer used when he raped those women.

Posted by: torabora at May 27, 2022 02:35 PM (Y274z)

142 111 The entire tweet says: “Invented for Nazi infantrymen, further developed by the US military, the AR-15 was the Texas school shooter’s weapon of choice….”
Posted by: SMOD at May 27, 2022

So the sentient gun is a Nazi?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at May 27, 2022 02:35 PM (eGTCV)

143 Even the name sounds bureaucratic and bullshit. School Resource Officer.

ITs one of those euphemisms that committees come up with to avoid saying "police" or "security"

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 27, 2022 02:35 PM (KZzsI)

144 Has Buddha Comey opined on this with any ancient tree wisdom yet?

Posted by: ... at May 27, 2022 02:35 PM (dscaa)

145 Believing he was a "barricaded subject" gave police the false impression they had time.
________________

That's such a bullshit rationalization. They knew kids had been shot in that room where the shooter was barricaded. They didn't know those kids' conditions. They just decided to assume they were all dead, but in fact several were alive and hiding, and several were on the floor bleeding out, and some kids were on the phone to 911, begging them to send cops -- even as 19 armed cops stood in the hallway just outside the classroom door, doing nothing.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB at May 27, 2022 02:35 PM (MvHI3)

146 128 But wouldn't a propped open door be shown by the logging system?
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 27, 2022 02:33 PM (UuD2k)

School doors have logging whether they're open or closed?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 27, 2022 02:36 PM (b2nrj)

147 129 Even the name sounds bureaucratic and bullshit. School Resource Officer. Resource for what, Doing donut and coffee runs for teachers?
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When I first heard SRO all I could think of was Standing Room Only. Like a Grand Funk RR concert.

Posted by: Puddinhead at May 27, 2022 02:36 PM (KY22T)

148 >The leading cause of death by injury in children is gunshot
If adults can not protect them we should allow kids to carry guns
Give them a chance at life!?
Posted by: Steve at May 27, 2022 02:30 PM (7cyn/)

Nah, it's being dismembered in the womb by "medical" practitioners, bless your heart.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at May 27, 2022 02:36 PM (wPuAx)

149 Same story from Daily Mail but I copied it, so dammit I am going to paste it. Slightly different info.


https://tinyurl.com/46yppenp

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 27, 2022 02:36 PM (8GBH4)

150 "Texas Department of Public Safety Admits: Waiting an Hour Before Taking Out an Armed Madman in a Room Full of Children Was Not the Optimal Call"

Whoops!
Whoopsie!

Posted by: Pitch Meeting Guy at May 27, 2022 02:36 PM (hOAT3)

151 "DPS Director McGraw confirms a school resource officer was not originally on campus before the shooting but could not explain why that was the case."


The school district has 4 resource officers and at least 6 separate school locations.

https://www.ucisd.net/domain/1670

Assuming at least one resource officer is always at the high school and at the junior high, 2 officers divided by 4 elementary schools equals no constant resource officer presence at those 4 schools. I rate it unlikely the chief and the detective do resource officer duty shifts.

Did the loser surveil Robb school enough to know the routine resource officer schedule for Robb? Maybe he did enough surveillance of Robb to learn that the door he entered was usually propped-open at lunchtime on warm days.

I fear that the school district, its police, and the city police became complacent, thinking, "It Can't Happen Here."

Posted by: Get on it, Wheels! at May 27, 2022 02:36 PM (Meiie)

152 84 I would rather have died by breaching than living by doing nothing. What's wrong with "men" these days?
Posted by: Jak Sucio at May 27, 2022 02:29 PM (jvt6t)

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I also have to wonder why no teachers felt the need to protect the kids more. I realize the onus is really on the police, but we keep hearing how teachers only care about the kids. And yet not one rushed back in. You'd have had to tase me too if I was still teaching and this happened.

Posted by: 496 at May 27, 2022 02:36 PM (VJsqe)

153 What happened to the kindergarten cop who was out cruising the parking lot? If I'm not mistaken, his boss, the Chief, was the incident commander in the hallway.

These guys are like the keystone cops.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 27, 2022 02:36 PM (BP3/z)

154 BTW, the rich, white, Golden State Warriors' coach shooting off his mouth about the massacre that night was campaigning to have cops removed from schools several years ago. [Sorry, I've forgotten the dick's name.]

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at May 27, 2022 02:36 PM (yikp0)

155 Perhaps I can help. I'm a doctor.

Posted by: Jill Biden at May 27, 2022 02:36 PM (jYQlA)

156 Is that teacher alive?
Posted by: Flight Level gp Heavy Chop at May 27, 2022 02:31 PM (qpX6U)
*****
They never said or mentioned her name. If she is alive we may never know her name.
I assume they've either interviewed her or have it on camera.

Posted by: redridinghood at May 27, 2022 02:36 PM (NpAcC)

157 Are Uzis Jewish?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at May 27, 2022 02:36 PM (eGTCV)

158 I was wondering where Scott Israel landed.

Posted by: Shaftoe at May 27, 2022 02:36 PM (Rvxb7)

159 Shit, the security in the office where I work gets an alarm if a door is left open and there are cameras at every entry point.

Are you telling me that the billions we spend on education and we don't have this same level of security at schools?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 27, 2022 02:36 PM (UuD2k)

160 Imma gonna need Joos opinion on this. Is this true?

Posted by: Puddinhead at May 27, 2022 02:28 PM (KY22T)

I have read that but can't confirm it.

Supposedly it is an acronym. "Kohein Tzaddik."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 27, 2022 02:36 PM (XIJ/X)

161
To be fair, many schools have classrooms with metal fire doors and sometimes that reinforced safety glass also, and usually open out, and aren't easy to breach without frame spreaders/jaws or quicky saws/hot lances, etc.
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Open out? you do know what side the hinge pin is on then? The outside.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 27, 2022 02:37 PM (WKPeU)

162 127 There are a lot of ignorant and inflammatory comments being made here.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 27, 2022 02:33 PM (lTGtQ)


"Here here!"

- - Nina Skankowicz

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 27, 2022 02:37 PM (s2VJv)

163 *types*

*deletes*

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at May 27, 2022 02:37 PM (Qhnrt)

164 Hollywood would have a plot where a parent with a gun (this is Texas) outwitted the police aFnd got to the shooter.

In real life, the parent ends up on the ground, handcuffed while a cop in tac gear sits on him.

Parkland had to wait for some other police force (Coral Gables?) to arrive to take action.

What is going on????
Posted by: JM in Florida at May 27, 2022 02:27 PM (L7jyl)


The shooter was armed, the parents were not, choices were made.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at May 27, 2022 02:37 PM (GYIa4)

165 134. Yep. I dont think there was ever any intention at all to do anything but set up a perimeter.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at May 27, 2022 02:37 PM (rBAkF)

166 short of being invaded by Hitler, nothing will convince most Libs and lefties that letting members of the public be armed if they want to is a good thing

or perhaps I should say '... respecting the clear meaning of the 2nd Amendment is a good thing'

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at May 27, 2022 02:37 PM (Ynyl9)

167 @151

that's probably exactly right

Posted by: brak at May 27, 2022 02:37 PM (j5Tg0)

168 I've read that gunshots and children's screams were clearly audible so I don't see how we-thought-the-kids-were-safe flies.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 27, 2022 02:37 PM (FVME7)

169 My campus has a master key on a small nondescript light pole. Almost invisible. Police fire and select staff know.

Posted by: torabora at May 27, 2022 02:37 PM (Y274z)

170 158 I was wondering where Scott Israel landed.
Posted by: Shaftoe at May 27, 2022 02:36 PM (Rvxb7)


IIRC he was reinstated, or am I wrong on that?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 27, 2022 02:37 PM (s2VJv)

171 123 I expect Tommy Lee Jones has already phoned his agent about playing this guy in the movie.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 27, 2022 02:33 PM (videA)

The officer in charge should be played by Paul Blart.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 27, 2022 02:37 PM (trdmm)

172
Where I work, if Person A is on vacation, there's often no B or C to cover even part of what she (usually it is a "she," nowadays) is supposed to do. Sometimes, if the role of A is crucial enough, but not always.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 27, 2022 02:28 PM (txdEq)

Oh, believe me... I feel that. Chronic problem at my place.

But this isn't quite like that. He's not the only cop in the town, and he's got the easiest billet. If he just left, then he pulled his little stunt at the WRONG time.

But if he called in, there's no excuse. How hard is it to have a dispatcher pick up the radio and say "Jenkins got a hernia dislodging a fat kid stuck in a toilet, so go over to the school and read nudie mags in the Principal's office for the rest of the day?"

Posted by: @TheRealWilliamHayes at May 27, 2022 02:37 PM (FIJ+3)

173 *deletes*

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Posted by: SturmToddler (po3vF) at May 27, 2022 02:37 PM (p03vF)

174 Police are unionized government employees. Postal and DMV workers with guns, who treat the innocent and the felons the same: as not one of their tribe.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at May 27, 2022 02:37 PM (G6DU0)

175 I was assuming that Uvalde was a poor town without much money to work with. But according to salary.com: 'Uvalde pays an average salary of $178,180 and salaries range from a low of $158,180 to a high of $200,919.' Can that possibly be correct?

Posted by: Flight Level gp Heavy Chop at May 27, 2022 02:38 PM (qpX6U)

176 You miss the greater truth: all white American males are in the Nazi Party, comrade.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 27, 2022


***
Den I shall haff to vork on mein Churman ag-zent, nicht wahr?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 27, 2022 02:38 PM (txdEq)

177 "...were content to just stand there doing nothing."

In all fairness they weren't "doing nothing."
They were handcuffing moms, pepper spraying and tackling dads.

Posted by: Fool Otto at May 27, 2022 02:38 PM (DB16e)

178 Nope...not here. [CBD]

Posted by: GMan at May 27, 2022 02:38 PM (GfWuY)

179 130 I'm thinking a lot of notes will be going into permanent records come performance review time!
Posted by: Weasel at May 27, 2022 02:34 PM (0IeYL)

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Thank you - this made me laugh

Posted by: 496 at May 27, 2022 02:38 PM (VJsqe)

180 Posted by: whig at May 27, 2022 02:35 PM (Iq9dF)

Thank you. I have a thing for language that I don't think many others do, so I always love this stuff.

Posted by: ... at May 27, 2022 02:39 PM (dscaa)

181 If the Border patrol hadn't shown up they would still be outside maintaining their perimeter.

Posted by: torabora at May 27, 2022 02:39 PM (Y274z)

182 SturmToddler

I'm done deleting what I think about this bullshit.

Posted by: GMan at May 27, 2022 02:39 PM (GfWuY)

183 Accessory to mass murder. All those worthless shitstains.

Posted by: Brother Tim (recovering Cylon) at May 27, 2022 02:39 PM (+EC11)

184 Is Steve, Kurt’s slightly more retarded younger brother?

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 27, 2022 02:39 PM (OalnH)

185 "We made a bad call, Ripley."

You know, Burke, I don't know which species is worse. You don't see them fucking each other over for a goddamn percentage pension

Posted by: Ripley at May 27, 2022 02:40 PM (hOAT3)

186 And again they are conflating "German" with "Nazi." Not all Germans, even in the armed forces, were members of the Nazi Party.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 27, 2022 02:32 PM (txdEq)
________________

IIRC, even some nominal members of the Nazi Party were not ardent Nazis, but were pressured to join to get or keep their jobs, etc. to stay below the radar. Kinda like being a Democrat in academia today.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 27, 2022 02:40 PM (rNyNM)

187 "Wasn't this what they signed up for?

Or was it just all for the early retirement?"

Gee, ace, am I the only one who remembers when we were going to Iraq in 2002 there were a good number of troops who decided to take any avenue to get discharged "because I just wanted the tuition assistance / benefits."

This is neither new nor surprising.

Posted by: SDN at May 27, 2022 02:40 PM (o6RxL)

188 181 If the Border patrol hadn't shown up they would still be outside maintaining their perimeter.
Posted by: torabora at May 27, 2022 02:39 PM (Y274z)


As opposed to blocking the actual border.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 27, 2022 02:40 PM (s2VJv)

189 Why doesn't Senile Joe get to be a white supremacist? Is there anybody whiter anywhere on earth?
He looks like one of those blind fish they find in caves.
He's also the president, which is on the supreme side.
What's he doing wrong?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at May 27, 2022 02:40 PM (eGTCV)

190 I honestly do not understand how "men" were content to stand outside while a real monster was inside a room with children, some alive, some dead, some bleeding out, and were content to just stand there doing nothing.

... when you think we've reached the bottom rung with pedophilia you find something more despicable.

Posted by: Braenyard, still waiting for a good alternative phone at May 27, 2022 02:40 PM (jyW7T)

191 The Uvalde cops keep walking back their gross abandonment of their duty, gross negligence to protect the public, and abject depravity by leaving children in the hands of a madman intent on killing every one of them, leaving the wounded to die in terror when they might have been saved, and leaving the survivors, mere children, to save their own lives against an armed by madman by cowering under tables or painting themselves in the blood of their dead friends and then pretending to be dead. None of their crawling away from this horror and how they intentionally decided to let this go on will save these bastards from a day of reckoning for the unfathomable dereliction to defend those that can't defend themselves: children, little children. I hope these bastards will never be able to look their neighbors in the eye again and that are haunted by all this forever.

Posted by: Lost In Space - Now Fortified with Ultra Maga Moon Beams at May 27, 2022 02:40 PM (2mSQi)

192 Who was in charge?

The elected County Sheriff is in charge. The Feds have no right to take over anything with the Sheriff's permission. Shame on the Sheriff if he let the Feds buffalo him into standing down. All Sheriffs need to tell the Feds to sit down, shut up, and do what he says. They go rogue, they get arrested.

Do Sheriffs have the guts to enforce this?

Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 27, 2022 02:40 PM (7bRMQ)

193 130 I'm thinking a lot of notes will be going into permanent records come performance review time!
Posted by: Weasel at May 27, 2022 02:34 PM (0IeYL)
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Undoubtedly everyone involved will be noted as "Exceeds Expectations" and bonuses all around!

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 27, 2022 02:40 PM (K5n5d)

194
Seems like this latest bullshit story has a big hole in it.
Posted by: Sharkman


Holes within holes.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 27, 2022 02:40 PM (63Dwl)

195 The police response to why they stop vigilantes and prevent parents from doing the right thing is "they are amateurs and people will get hurt" yadda yadda. Yeah. Like all those little kids got hurt while you were cuffing mommy.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 27, 2022 02:40 PM (KZzsI)

196 You guys aren't thinking like bureaucrats! Blame the PROCEDURES! Rewrite the PROCEDURES!

No one cares if you "fire" or "demote" a PROCEDURE! Just keep the incompetent goldbricking civil servants in their phoney-baloney jobs!!!

Posted by: ace
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That, in a nutshell, is what bureaucratic organizations do after the initial zeal in an organization fades.

Posted by: whig at May 27, 2022 02:40 PM (Iq9dF)

197 Rich Baris youtube covering the media role.

https://tinyurl.com/yvhn2dv5

Posted by: jc at May 27, 2022 02:40 PM (N1WXz)

198 120

'all white American males are in the Nazi Party'
If that lie were true, some leftists would have a big problem on their hands.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 27, 2022 02:40 PM (VNGpB)

199 This story will get even worse. Count on it. I'm waiting for the story to drop that one of the adults used a kid as a human shield.

Oh . . . and does nobody have cell phones in the school?? The outside "cops" should have known within minutes exactly what was going on inside. The "we didn't know" excuse is unadulterated BULLSHIT.

Posted by: Elric Blade at May 27, 2022 02:41 PM (iFTx/)

200 You know, in this whole series of mishaps there wasn't one that accidentally, by pure chance, resulted in the death of the assailant. Strangely, all the random coincidences led to increasing the number of children dead.

Posted by: banana Dream, now 40% less explicit at May 27, 2022 02:41 PM (QzpS1)

201 #175
Income like that translates into Fat Pensions.
If you're dead ..no pension.

Posted by: torabora at May 27, 2022 02:41 PM (Y274z)

202 184 Is Steve, Kurt’s slightly more retarded younger brother?
Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 27, 2022 02:39 PM (OalnH)
_________________

Another one-name a-hole.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 27, 2022 02:41 PM (rNyNM)

203 Someone is going to have to fry for it. It's just that simple. At this point, the police were accessories to the murder.

Posted by: Miss Issippi at May 27, 2022 02:41 PM (sI15f)

204 157 Are Uzis Jewish?
Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at May 27, 2022 02:36 PM (eGTCV)


They're Israeli. And invented by a Jew.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 27, 2022 02:41 PM (s2VJv)

205 After George Floyd and the cops put on trial for responding to that call, I think police departments across America are making it very clear that they're no longer going to put their own lives on the line for a bunch of fucking ingrates.

Posted by: JamesCarville at May 27, 2022 02:41 PM (58AQ5)

206 'all white American males are in the Nazi Party'
If that lie were true, some leftists would have a big problem on their hands.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 27, 2022 02:40 PM (VNGpB)

Not the ones with blue hair and talk like fags.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 27, 2022 02:41 PM (Y5qcH)

207 I'm done deleting what I think about this bullshit.

Posted by: GMan at May 27, 2022 02:39 PM (GfWuY)

Overt calls for violence are a no-no on this blog.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 27, 2022 02:42 PM (XIJ/X)

208 Will Abbott survive after the torrent of BS he showered on America just after the murders?

Posted by: Jeff Gillooly at May 27, 2022 02:42 PM (z9V4B)

209 "You know where else they had open doors."
- - The Capitol Rotunda 1/6/21


Oh, the irony...

Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 27, 2022 02:42 PM (Xrfse)

210 175 I was assuming that Uvalde was a poor town without much money to work with. But according to salary.com: 'Uvalde pays an average salary of $178,180 and salaries range from a low of $158,180 to a high of $200,919.' Can that possibly be correct?
Posted by: Flight Level gp Heavy Chop at May 27, 2022 02:38 PM (qpX6U)

Are you sure you're looking at the right section? If I look at the aggregated number after reaching that website, it says 4.388m to 5.8m and has 25-50 employees, none of the titles for officers. So it might be structured as a few different entities.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 27, 2022 02:42 PM (b2nrj)

211 >>> Oh . . . and does nobody have cell phones in the school?? The outside "cops" should have known within minutes exactly what was going on inside. The "we didn't know" excuse is unadulterated BULLSHIT.
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 27, 2022 02:41 PM (iFTx/)


The kids had phones and they were calling and begging for help before being tracked down and executed.

Posted by: banana Dream, now 40% less explicit at May 27, 2022 02:42 PM (QzpS1)

212 >.Someone is going to have to fry for it. It's just that simple


never happen

Posted by: DB at May 27, 2022 02:42 PM (geLO8)

213 170 158 I was wondering where Scott Israel landed.
Posted by: Shaftoe at May 27, 2022 02:36 PM (Rvxb7)

IIRC he was reinstated, or am I wrong on that?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 27, 2022 02:37 PM (s2VJv)

He challenged his firing in court, but lost. I looked him up to see what he was up to - he is now the proud Chief of Police in Opa-Locka Florida, a slum suburb of Miami, population 16,000.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 27, 2022 02:43 PM (trdmm)

214 Time to recalibrate one's the image of Texas.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 27, 2022 02:43 PM (+EI+w)

215 I was assuming that Uvalde was a poor town without much money to work with. But according to salary.com: 'Uvalde pays an average salary of $178,180 and salaries range from a low of $158,180 to a high of $200,919.' Can that possibly be correct?
Posted by: Flight Level gp Heavy Chop at May 27, 2022 02:38 PM (qpX6U)
*********
That's got to be wrong. Probably more like 40-60,000. It's a really small town with a population of about 16,000 people.

Posted by: redridinghood at May 27, 2022 02:43 PM (NpAcC)

216 92 Yes the cops are afraid of being Chauvined.

And not just from a racial angle. even slightly inconveniencing a criminal can fuck your life up bigly as a cop. Killing someone? Fuck that.
---------------------------

This is a real issue, and I can't blame them, but when kids' lives are at stake you have to put *everything* else aside and just go. I'm having trouble finding away around that.

Posted by: Kevin Canuck at May 27, 2022 02:43 PM (jSz/T)

217 202 Another one-name a-hole.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 27, 2022 02:41 PM (rNyNM)

=========

What'd I do now?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 27, 2022 02:43 PM (LvTSG)

218 Do Sheriffs have the guts to enforce this?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at May 27, 2022 02:40 PM

They don't have the guts to pursue the obvious election fraud even with all the leg work done by an outside party. Surely they don't have the balls to tell the feds to eff off.

Posted by: Fool Otto at May 27, 2022 02:43 PM (DB16e)

219 I can assure you that we will use these little statistics to bolster our data about "unlocked and loaded firearms kill (x number) of kids every day" for our deceptive-but-very anti-gun radio commercials during your favorite conservative program.

Posted by: End Family Fire at May 27, 2022 02:43 PM (HI3xr)

220 Hollywood would have a plot where a parent with a gun (this is Texas) outwitted the police and got to the shooter.

-
The William Atherton character in Die Hard.

Atherton had made a career of playing arrogant, asshole, incompetent public servants. I don't know if he's available to play Biden in 2020: The Enfuckening.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 27, 2022 02:43 PM (FVME7)

221 After George Floyd and the cops put on trial for responding to that call, I think police departments across America are making it very clear that they're no longer going to put their own lives on the line for a bunch of fucking ingrates.
Posted by: JamesCarville at May 27, 2022 02:41 PM (58AQ5)

Bingo


And I'm not saying it's a good thing.
It is what it is though

Posted by: JoeF. at May 27, 2022 02:43 PM (mR6Gs)

222 Does Texas still have Rangers--not the baseball team?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at May 27, 2022 02:44 PM (eGTCV)

223 I wonder what would have been enough resources for these police? If they had unlimited time, what would have been enough?

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at May 27, 2022 02:44 PM (rBAkF)

224 This entire episode is a microcosm of how our society has decayed, in every element, all across the spectrum.

Everything about it.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 27, 2022 02:44 PM (XBf3S)

225 Have no doubt police fear doing the wrong thing or even doing the right thing but a minority and getting charged for a crime by the Leftist DA

Posted by: Skip's phone at May 27, 2022 02:44 PM (MYtNQ)

226 Passive voice statements = we done screwed up so badly

Posted by: Kindltot at May 27, 2022 02:44 PM (xhaym)

227 also these hostage/school shooting things seem to go one of two ways-

either the cops are afraid to get hurt and wait outside while kids die, or they call in the tanks and gas bombs and just kill everybody (Waco)

Posted by: DB at May 27, 2022 02:44 PM (geLO8)

228 208 Will Abbott survive after the torrent of BS he showered on America just after the murders?
Posted by: Jeff Gillooly at May 27, 2022 02:42 PM (z9V4B)


Beta Bozo O'Rourke's not cunning stunt at that presser destroyed any shot, slim as it might have been.

Abbott has to stand (no pun) strong on the 2A, rip the Uvlade authorities a new one and fire back at the the Democrats with both barrels.

Will he do any of that? From what we have seen, it's not looking good.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 27, 2022 02:44 PM (s2VJv)

229 How is a school not prepared to do ANYTHING WHATSOEVER in the event of an active shooter? We've been lectured for decades that school shootings are an epidemic of pure evil that cannot be allowed to continue. Has no school taken any steps to actually prepare for one? I'm sure tens of millions of dollars were spent. Not only did this school not do anything to prepare, it actually did all it could to help the shooter, from leaving doors unlocked, to not having the school cop on duty, to the local fuckwad cops blocking the border patrol and parents from going in.

Posted by: Elric Blade at May 27, 2022 02:44 PM (iFTx/)

230 " 'all white American males are in the Nazi Party'"

Since at least 2010, all the major media have been daily lambasting 'whiteness,' and falsely attributing every conceivable evil to whites. They are trying as hard as they can to boost Nazi recruitment.

Posted by: Flight Level gp Heavy Chop at May 27, 2022 02:44 PM (qpX6U)

231 221 And I'm not saying it's a good thing.
It is what it is though
Posted by: JoeF. at May 27, 2022 02:43 PM (mR6Gs)

========

Okay. Prepare for budget cuts.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 27, 2022 02:44 PM (LvTSG)

232 Mistakes were made.

The system worked.

Those lies we told you? They were for your own good.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 27, 2022 02:44 PM (F0YaR)

233 203 Someone is going to have to fry for it. It's just that simple. At this point, the police were accessories to the murder.
Posted by: Miss Issippi at May 27, 2022 02:41 PM (sI15f)

====

And the media. They are the contagion that causes these copycats.

Posted by: jc at May 27, 2022 02:44 PM (N1WXz)

234 Well, between this, abortion, and baby formula shortages, at least the Left is consistent in its war on children.

Posted by: Brother Tim, #teamheadsonpikes at May 27, 2022 02:44 PM (OUMaO)

235 He also scaled an 8 foot fence. With a gun. And was seen.

It's a safe bet that that was called into 911, so those 12 minutes are critical. Did they neglect to call the school and tell them to lock down? did then neglect to shut the propped doors.

I think a lot of these systems that were put in place and paid millions for were bullshit make work grift.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at May 27, 2022 02:44 PM (tY0Ps)

236 all white American males are in the Nazi Party'


Good point.
Im off to buy more German bier.
Later kids.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 27, 2022 02:44 PM (anj39)

237 208 Will Abbott survive after the torrent of BS he showered on America just after the murders?
Posted by: Jeff Gillooly at May 27, 2022 02:42 PM (z9V4B)

I suppose you like Beto, who made an even bigger assclown of himself at the news conference?

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 27, 2022 02:45 PM (trdmm)

238 Some people did nothing.

Posted by: torabora at May 27, 2022 02:45 PM (Y274z)

239 IIRC he was reinstated, or am I wrong on that?

I think Death Santis fired him by executive order.

Posted by: Shaftoe at May 27, 2022 02:45 PM (Rvxb7)

240 The entire tweet says: “Invented for Nazi infantrymen, further developed by the US military, the AR-15 was the Texas school shooter’s weapon of choice….”
Posted by: SMOD at May 27, 2022
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If -- IF -- that were true, I'd count it a plus. The Germans made some damn good guns.

And again they are conflating "German" with "Nazi." Not all Germans, even in the armed forces, were members of the Nazi Party.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 27, 2022 02:32 PM (txdEq)


Apparently, ArmaLite - the company which designed the AR-15 - was founded in 1954. So, unless we're talking about Ukrainian Nazis...

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at May 27, 2022 02:45 PM (GYIa4)

241 I remember when Biden excoriated the border patrol and a lot of the Dems wanted to abolish them.

Posted by: redridinghood at May 27, 2022 02:45 PM (NpAcC)

242 192 Who was in charge?

The DPS

Posted by: Braenyard, still waiting for a good alternative phone at May 27, 2022 02:45 PM (jyW7T)

243 228 Abbott has to stand (no pun) strong on the 2A, rip the Uvlade authorities a new one and fire back at the the Democrats with both barrels.

Will he do any of that? From what we have seen, it's not looking good.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 27, 2022 02:44 PM (s2VJv)

=========

"Otherwise, I'll vote for Beto."
-Texas voters, apparently

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 27, 2022 02:45 PM (LvTSG)

244 Police are just another unionized branch of the govt. Why do we expect heroics from them?

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 27, 2022 02:45 PM (OalnH)

245 Going way back to Columbine again, that one shot kid had to crawl out a broken window and fall to the ground while they waited. How can they not know time is of the essence? Wrong call, bullshit, its the yellow stripe down their back.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 27, 2022 02:45 PM (8GBH4)

246 NYC heroin PSA on busses:

"Don't be ashamed that you are using. Be empowered that you are using safely".

https://tinyurl.com/2hk6duva

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 27, 2022 02:45 PM (KZzsI)

247 #234
I read fence was only 4'.

Posted by: torabora at May 27, 2022 02:46 PM (Y274z)

248 213 170 158 I was wondering where Scott Israel landed.
Posted by: Shaftoe at May 27, 2022 02:36 PM (Rvxb7)

IIRC he was reinstated, or am I wrong on that?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 27, 2022 02:37 PM (s2VJv)

He challenged his firing in court, but lost. I looked him up to see what he was up to - he is now the proud Chief of Police in Opa-Locka Florida, a slum suburb of Miami, population 16,000.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 27, 2022 02:43 PM (trdmm)

So he failed, if not upwards, then sideways. Keeping a job like that and a pension is an insult.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 27, 2022 02:46 PM (s2VJv)

249 Exhibit A for why there needs to be a 2nd Amendment and why there needs to be open carry laws.

This is not an excuse to get rid of the guns of law-abiding citizens. Sorry, Senile Joe.

This demonstration of abject cowardice, failure, and uselessness by "men" paid by the citizenry to protect them and their children,

proves that men and women must be able to be armed to defend their loved ones because the state sure as hell isn't going to do it.

If there was any justice in the world Senile Joe would be booed loudly and vigorously throughout his speech.

His stupid persecution of policemen doing their jobs, is one big reason why this happened.

Posted by: naturalfake at May 27, 2022 02:46 PM (OK0YZ)

250 19 dead children > 19 fat cops in the hallway

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 27, 2022 02:46 PM (BP3/z)

251 >>What do you want to guess? Donuts or banging his mistress?

Bean Counter: Do you have any idea how much that door costs or how complicated requisitioning and installing a new door would be? We just saved the cost of a door, so that's something.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 27, 2022 02:46 PM (HVGD2)

252 So, what was the purpose of the active shooter drill 2 months ago? They reserve their courage for the drills.

Posted by: WeBoned! at May 27, 2022 02:47 PM (8k7U7)

253 Thank you. I have a thing for language that I don't think many others do, so I always love this stuff.

Posted by: ...
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Classic examples of bureau aka public speak are in episodes of the BBC series of Yes, Minister or Yes, Prime Minister. The episode in Yes Minister where the Permanent Secretary (Humphrey) bores the BBC interviewer (and listeners) to tears with vague generalities about the unemployment problem versus his pungent and concise comments to the interviewer after Humphrey thought the interview was over are howlingly but pathetically funny example of obfuscation at work.

Posted by: whig at May 27, 2022 02:47 PM (Iq9dF)

254 I own hand guns but they are no match for an AR-15. I don't know why all officers don't have AR-15's and shields in their vehicles.

Maybe some of you that are gun aficionados can answer this asI am not an expert on this subject?
Posted by: redridinghood
*

They generally do. Like Mark said, an AR or shotgun. Deputy sheriffs around here have both.

Watch the video btw. There were plenty of ARs there.

They were used on the parents.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 27, 2022 02:47 PM (poNws)

255 >they're no longer going to put their own lives on the line for a bunch of fucking ingrates.
Posted by: JamesCarville at May 27, 2022 02:41 PM (58AQ5)

Yeah, fuck them little kids! Back the blue!

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at May 27, 2022 02:47 PM (wPuAx)

256 And again they are conflating "German" with "Nazi." Not all Germans, even in the armed forces, were members of the Nazi Party.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 27, 2022 02:32 PM (txdEq)

Not even all GENERALS or other top military brass were in the Nazi Party
See Von Stauffenberg

Posted by: JoeF. at May 27, 2022 02:47 PM (mR6Gs)

257 >>> How is a school not prepared to do ANYTHING WHATSOEVER in the event of an active shooter?
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 27, 2022 02:44 PM (iFTx/)


At every business or institution, I've been at the active shooter training is the same, stay still, don't move, don't engage, make yourself an easy target.

Posted by: banana Dream, now 40% less explicit at May 27, 2022 02:47 PM (QzpS1)

258 IIRC, even some nominal members of the Nazi Party were not ardent Nazis, but were pressured to join to get or keep their jobs, etc. to stay below the radar. Kinda like being a Democrat in academia today.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 27, 2022


***
Oh, yes. The fervent Nazis, people like Goebbels and Mengele, are what the left wants us to think of when they say "Nazi." But Herr Hoffman who ran his little tobacco shop, or Fraulein Muller who worked as a typist, may have only joined to keep their heads attached to their shoulders.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 27, 2022 02:47 PM (txdEq)

259 >>>Washington Post senior editor Marc Fisher tweeted on Thursday that the AR-15 rifle was “invented for Nazi infantrymen

So you are telling me Zeh Jermans invented an infantry rifle that can be disabled by....getting dirty?

No son. Not so. The AR-15 was the result of Armalite F*king around with gun ideas until they made something reasonable. Something that had numerous drawbacks that would get soldiers killed, requiring the rifle to undergo kludge patches like a video game to compensate for those issues, until eventually the modern weapon emerged, to which the most praise I can give is, it's light, it doesn't kick, it's ok to about 300 yards.

Contrast with it's ideological predecessor the M1 Carbine available for less than 100 bucks in the 50's. The carbine was only good to about 150 yards, a little heavier, and kicked a bit more. But essentially as far as performance goes a comparable weapon for an indoor mass shooting, and gosh.....didn't get used that way in the 50s

Posted by: mikethemoose at May 27, 2022 02:47 PM (z/ZJG)

260 I quite accidentally came across an article on substack by a deranged leftist masquerading as some kind of deep thinker (BIRM) and honestly it's one of the top 5 stupidest things I ever read.

The long and short of her supposed theory is that in the 1950's a certain kind of Republican came out of the woodwork. They worshiped John Wayne and the image of a white male cowboy protector - that never actually existed because most cowboys were actually xomen of xolor - and they used that image to oppose Civil Rights, the same way they used to opposed freeing the slaves, because giving the federal government the power to give equality to black people would lead to "socialism".

They are using the same thing now to oppose "sensible" controls on guns and the events and failures by cops in Uvalde all prove that actually gun owners are wrong, and Democrats are right.

*This* is the claptrap that all your idiot leftard friends read, or have regurgitated to them. The obfuscations and fairy tale spinning is beyond mind-blowing. It's the lie-filled equivalent of an orgasm. It's lie bukkake. There is no sense in even beginning to counter it except with a blunt object, label side up.

Posted by: ... at May 27, 2022 02:47 PM (dscaa)

261 Good point.
Im off to buy more German bier.
Later kids.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 27, 2022 02:44 PM (anj39)
------------
Don't be stupid, be a smartie...

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at May 27, 2022 02:47 PM (aaGzp)

262 I read fence was only 4'.

Posted by: torabora at May 27, 2022 02:46 PM (Y274z)

Half those cops needed to use the gate. Maybe it was locked too!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 27, 2022 02:47 PM (XIJ/X)

263 Hey... you cant enjoy your fat taxpayer funded pension when you're dead, now can you?

Posted by: Bloated worthless coward at May 27, 2022 02:47 PM (+m+uH)

264 Well boys, looks like we're getting the gang back together.

Posted by: 3-7-77 at May 27, 2022 02:47 PM (NQrvS)

265 What's the deal with AR-15s? Is there something special about them?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at May 27, 2022 02:48 PM (eGTCV)

266 Where are the kind of men who would make good cops?

Eastwood answered that decades ago with the Dirty Harry movies. His character knew right from wrong, saw things as they were and could cut through the bullshit on sight.

He was told he was a dinosaur, that times had changed (by the way here's your new female partner) and that he had to change or leave.

I guess they all left.
And yet, to look at cops these days with their high and tights and buffed out from the gym and the tacticool gear, you'd think they're ready for war pulling you over for burned out taillights.
Then shtf, and poof, time to wait behind a car.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 27, 2022 02:48 PM (MFphb)

267 How is it that Federal marshals were there to handcuff parents?

Posted by: blaster at May 27, 2022 02:48 PM (9otr5)

268 NYC heroin PSA on busses:

"Don't be ashamed that you are using. Be empowered that you are using safely".

https://tinyurl.com/2hk6duva
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 27, 2022 02:45 PM (KZzsI)

The nukes can't hit us soon enough...

Posted by: JoeF. at May 27, 2022 02:48 PM (mR6Gs)

269 VW was invented for Nazi drivers. So we ban all vWs, Audis and Porsches I guess?

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 27, 2022 02:48 PM (OalnH)

270 237
Oh Honestly, who gives a f___ what any leftist thinks or likes?

Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 27, 2022 02:48 PM (VNGpB)

271 200 You know, in this whole series of mishaps there wasn't one that accidentally, by pure chance, resulted in the death of the assailant. Strangely, all the random coincidences led to increasing the number of children dead.

Posted by: banana Dream, now 40% less explicit at May 27, 2022 02:41 PM (QzpS1)


Most serious large aircraft and ship accidents are due to a chain of individually unlikely equipment failures and/or human errors occurring at the same time or in a statistically improbable sequence. Bad stuff happens. Murphy's Law.

Posted by: Get on it, Wheels! at May 27, 2022 02:48 PM (Meiie)

272 265 What's the deal with AR-15s? Is there something special about them?
Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at May 27, 2022 02:48 PM (eGTCV)

They are scary looking, black and those chainsaw bayonette thingies.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 27, 2022 02:48 PM (N39Ws)

273 oh man let's not re-argue the history of the Nazi party right now

please

Posted by: DB at May 27, 2022 02:49 PM (geLO8)

274 222 Does Texas still have Rangers--not the baseball team?
Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at May 27, 2022 02:44 PM (eGTCV)

Yes, they are a division of the DPS. But there are only 234 Rangers to cover the entire state, so they mainly stay in Austin unless they're called to assist in a specific investigation.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 27, 2022 02:49 PM (trdmm)

275 DPS Director McGraw says it was a mistake for the on-scene commander to determine the shooter was a "barricaded subject" instead of an active shooter. Believing he was a "barricaded subject" gave police the false impression they had time.

...and I'm gonna need you to get all the way off my back now!

Posted by: Dangerous Director McGraw at May 27, 2022 02:49 PM (BgMrQ)

276 252 So, what was the purpose of the active shooter drill 2 months ago? They reserve their courage for the drills.
Posted by: WeBoned! at May 27, 2022 02:47 PM (8k7U7)

Kind of like the pandemic trial run before they unleashed Covid. I'll never be convinced that this wasn't completed orchestrated and carried out by antifa, which is in effect our national military now.

Posted by: Miss Issippi at May 27, 2022 02:49 PM (sI15f)

277 272 265 What's the deal with AR-15s? Is there something special about them?
Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at May 27, 2022 02:48 PM (eGTCV)

They are scary looking, black and those chainsaw bayonette thingies.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 27, 2022 02:48 PM (N39Ws)

In other words reporters and Democrats are grandstanding scum?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at May 27, 2022 02:49 PM (eGTCV)

278 I read that the Border Patrol guy that killed Ramos was getting a haircut nearby when a text came in. He borrowed his barber's shotgun and went in, no body armor, and killed Ramos.
He was grazed on the top of his head by a bullet from Ramos.
You know why he went in?
He had kids in that school.

Posted by: gourmand, fasting and praying at May 27, 2022 02:49 PM (jTmQV)

279 Will Abbott survive after the torrent of BS he showered on America just after the murders?
Posted by: Jeff Gillooly at May 27, 2022 02:42 PM (z9V4B)

I suppose you like Beto, who made an even bigger assclown of himself at the news conference?
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 27, 2022 02:45 PM (trdmm)
********
Jeff, what an idiotic statement. Beto would abolish border patrol and wanted to defund the police..
Isis, drugs and illegals are coming through our borders.
Beto is toxic for Texas.

Posted by: redridinghood at May 27, 2022 02:49 PM (NpAcC)

280 Some people did nothing.

Posted by: torabora at May 27, 2022 02:45 PM (Y274z)

oof, is that yours

Posted by: ... at May 27, 2022 02:49 PM (dscaa)

281 And yet, to look at cops these days with their high and tights and buffed out from the gym and the tacticool gear, you'd think they're ready for war pulling you over for burned out taillights.
Then shtf, and poof, time to wait behind a car.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 27, 2022 02:48 PM (MFphb)

This fits the description of the Passaic County (NJ) Sheriff's Department to a "T."

Posted by: Name Withheld at May 27, 2022 02:50 PM (mR6Gs)

282 He challenged his firing in court, but lost. I looked him up to see what he was up to - he is now the proud Chief of Police in Opa-Locka Florida, a slum suburb of Miami, population 16,000.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 27, 2022 02:43 PM (trdmm)


Yep. He landed in Opa Locka, arguably the worst-run municipality in Miami-Dade County. Fitting, really.

Posted by: mr tmz at May 27, 2022 02:50 PM (rJ48h)

283 Cops in New Orleans would work night gigs at bars or whatever, then drive to some quite park to catch up on sleep during their day job ... or so I heard.

Posted by: illiniwek at May 27, 2022 02:50 PM (Cus5s)

284 230 " 'all white American males are in the Nazi Party'"

Since at least 2010, all the major media have been daily lambasting 'whiteness,' and falsely attributing every conceivable evil to whites. They are trying as hard as they can to boost Nazi recruitment.
------------------
You find Neo Nazis in the upper midwest. Just check out Minneapolis City Council FFS.

Posted by: Puddinhead at May 27, 2022 02:50 PM (KY22T)

285 The German Navy was generally not at all on board with the Nazi party, but the Air Force largely was. General Wehrmacht troops were mostly just guys but the elite forces were Nazi to the core. It varied a lot, but the actual card-carrying zealots were few.

I mean, not that it mattered, fighting on the German side meant fighting to protect and promote concentration camps and all the rest of that evil stuff. But most troops weren't aware of it at the time.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 27, 2022 02:50 PM (KZzsI)

286 265 What's the deal with AR-15s? Is there something special about them?
Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at May 27, 2022 02:48 PM (eGTCV)

They were designed for Nazi Soldiers in the 1950's. That's what some lefty journo said yesterday.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 27, 2022 02:50 PM (trdmm)

287 283 Cops in New Orleans would work night gigs at bars or whatever, then drive to some quite park to catch up on sleep during their day job ... or so I heard.
Posted by: illiniwek at May 27, 2022 02:50 PM (Cus5s)

They still do.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 27, 2022 02:50 PM (Y5qcH)

288 they mainly stay in Austin unless they're called to assist in a specific investigation.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 27, 2022 02:49 PM (trdmm)


They are doing a bang up job in Austin, which is quickly becoming San Francisco and headed to Seattle.

Posted by: Miss Issippi at May 27, 2022 02:50 PM (sI15f)

289 What's the deal with AR-15s? Is there something special about them?

*

It's what the feds want to ban, so it's what they bought him.

Same as the kid in Buffalo who helpfully made a 180 page sheet listing all of the components that he had bought and used that just so happened to be what the feds want to ban, too.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 27, 2022 02:50 PM (poNws)

290 When you can't rely on Texas DPS you know government is fubar.

Having worked with law enforcement in a deep red area have to admit over half the force are government employees first. That any cops who would jump into line of fire, do so knowing their department and leaders won't have their backs. We used to promote heroes, now we put them in jail or shutdown their pension for their widow's and children. That is the chilling effect of BLM on law enforcement.

Surprised no idy is mentioning the aupremcourt cases saying cops have o obligation to protect us.

Nyt link
https://tinyurl.com/ybz3n8bw

Posted by: Shiggz (cool ranch MAGA) at May 27, 2022 02:50 PM (KkIiz)

291 Obviously those policemen need more tactical assault vehicles and bazookas and flamethrowers and other military gear. For the children.

Posted by: 496 at May 27, 2022 02:50 PM (VJsqe)

292 I read that the Border Patrol guy that killed Ramos was getting a haircut nearby when a text came in. He borrowed his barber's shotgun and went in, no body armor, and killed Ramos.
He was grazed on the top of his head by a bullet from Ramos.
You know why he went in?
He had kids in that school.

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Reminds me of how a civilian student helped kill the UT sniper.

In this country, citizens may be our only hope. But they should at least be part of the solution.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at May 27, 2022 02:51 PM (sX1BW)

293 Know who killed the UT sniper?
A Mexican with a shot gun.

Know who killed the Uvalde murderer?
A Mexican with a shot gun.

Posted by: Braenyard, still waiting for a good alternative phone at May 27, 2022 02:51 PM (jyW7T)

294 Just a thought, and I haven't read up on this, but did the cops know the ethnicity of the perp? If not, they may have been leery of blasting away only to find they just smoked George Floyd's little brother.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 27, 2022 02:51 PM (rNyNM)

295 "What's the deal with AR-15s? Is there something special about them?"

Look in your gun cabinet. If you wanted to commit an evil atrocity like this, which weapon would you choose? You'd most likely go with an AR or AK.

Posted by: Flight Level gp Heavy Chop at May 27, 2022 02:51 PM (qpX6U)

296 The we-need-to-get-the-spare-key was a deliberate attempt to delay going in on the hope that everything would be over by the time they got there

Posted by: Elric Blade at May 27, 2022 02:51 PM (iFTx/)

297 @229 Eric Blade "it actually did all it could to help the shooter, from leaving doors unlocked, to not having the school cop on duty, to the local fuckwad cops blocking the border patrol and parents from going in."

It's almost like these events are staged to result in the most massive death tolls imaginable, so that the inevitable calls for more gun control seem like a good idea and reasonable.

And people wonder why others are skeptical that these events are even really occurring and aren't just a bunch of crisis actors.

Posted by: JamesCarville at May 27, 2022 02:51 PM (58AQ5)

298
Watch the video btw. There were plenty of ARs there.

They were used on the parents.

Posted by: Moron Robbie




Really - Let us know how many parents were shot by the police.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 27, 2022 02:51 PM (lTGtQ)

299 I'm all out of things to say about this....

Posted by: It's me donna at May 27, 2022 02:51 PM (bs+z0)

300 Oh . . . and does nobody have cell phones in the school?? The outside "cops" should have known within minutes exactly what was going on inside. The "we didn't know" excuse is unadulterated BULLSHIT.
___________

The shooter stopped shooting at 12:21 p.m. Shooter was still alive and still in the classroom, with live and injured and dead kids.

One kid inside the room was calling 911 on his cellphone and begging for help up until 12:47 p.m.

19 armed cops were standing outside in the hallway at that time, doing nothing, because they were told they had "time to wait" for the tactical units.

The shooter was shot dead by the BP guy at 12:51 p.m.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB at May 27, 2022 02:51 PM (MvHI3)

301 Loved Alan White's drumming too, but both of those songs linked were played by Bill Bruford, the original drummer. White replaced him after Close To The Edge when Bruford quit to join King Crimson.

Posted by: Marcus Gravey at May 27, 2022 02:51 PM (kNgCR)

302 Open out? you do know what side the hinge pin is on then? The outside.
Posted by: Jukin

Yes sir, and commercial fire doors have secured industrial hinges, hence the quickie saw or lance to defeat them... you don't just knock a pin out like an interior standard door.

Posted by: Joe Fireplug at May 27, 2022 02:51 PM (7DYli)

303 In other words reporters and Democrats are grandstanding scum?

They are easy to identify and single out to attack. They look distinctive and badass, so they are easy for even a reporter to remember and name.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 27, 2022 02:51 PM (KZzsI)

304 What's the deal with AR-15s? Is there something special about them?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at May 27, 2022 02:48 PM (eGTCV)

They are really easy to put together, there is a ridiculous amount of aftermarket stuff to tailor them to whatever you might want, the ammo is reasonably cheap, and they are fun to shoot.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 27, 2022 02:51 PM (XIJ/X)

305 People use to get fired. Also with open borders, it is like trust everybody with other people's kids.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at May 27, 2022 02:52 PM (0oHeW)

306 @291

>>Obviously those policemen need more tactical assault vehicles and bazookas and flamethrowers and other military gear. For the children.

They need morals, a sense of duty and hashish.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 27, 2022 02:52 PM (HVGD2)

307 Take my gun, please!

David Hogg
@davidhogg111
Gun owners are contacting me asking what they can do. Right now here's what I need you to do.

Tweet #GunOwnersForSafety to show that the NRA doesn't represent you because you believe in working together as Americans to save our kids even if a small step and get others to tweet.

-
The NRA doesn't represent me. Bunch of RINO pussies!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 27, 2022 02:52 PM (FVME7)

308 Waco was the Feds. Local cops talked to Koresh outside the compound all the time. They could have easily arrested him. You can thank Janet Reno for those dead kids.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - move forward at May 27, 2022 02:52 PM (5HBd1)

309 229 How is a school not prepared to do ANYTHING WHATSOEVER in the event of an active shooter? We've been lectured for decades that school shootings are an epidemic of pure evil that cannot be allowed to continue. Has no school taken any steps to actually prepare for one? I'm sure tens of millions of dollars were spent. Not only did this school not do anything to prepare, it actually did all it could to help the shooter, from leaving doors unlocked, to not having the school cop on duty, to the local fuckwad cops blocking the border patrol and parents from going in.

Posted by: Elric Blade
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FWIW, the district apparently had an active shooter exercise for the school system weeks before the actual shooting. In addition, two yutes in that same school system were charged several years ago in juvie about plans to shoot up the schools. No word yet whether one of those yutes was the current killer.

Additionally, the killer was reported to the Feebs tip line after in an online game that he/it lost badly, he went into a tirade via the game messaging system.

Posted by: whig at May 27, 2022 02:52 PM (Iq9dF)

310 Photo of the Border Patrol tactical agent who reportedly took out the Uvalde shooter; he was trained as an elite responder:

https://tinyurl.com/2k4j3ntt

Posted by: Commissioner at May 27, 2022 02:52 PM (YHyeJ)

311 157 Are Uzis Jewish?
Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at May 27, 2022 02:36 PM (eGTCV)

You can tell by the circumcision of the bullets and the little yarmulke on top of the receiver.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 27, 2022 02:53 PM (dNqv+)

312 Posted by: whig at May 27, 2022 02:47 PM (Iq9dF)

I will check it out.

Incidentally this Nazi conversation is among the weirdest turns I've seen in here. Sometimes it's good to use the ol' noggin'.

Posted by: ... at May 27, 2022 02:53 PM (dscaa)

313 >. Know who killed the UT sniper?
A Mexican with a shot gun.

Know who killed the Uvalde murderer?
A Mexican with a shot gun.


oh man that's a Tarantino movie

'they just fucked with the wrong Mexican- MACHETE!'

Posted by: DB at May 27, 2022 02:53 PM (geLO8)

314 Now we know the cops waiting outside parkland was not an anomaly but institutional issue.

Posted by: Shiggz (cool ranch MAGA) at May 27, 2022 02:53 PM (KkIiz)

315 All cops and teachers are heroes, deserving early retirement and golden pensions, full benefits, full COLAs.

Sure the private sector might work to 65 or 75, to pay for all that gold, and even then might lose their pension (Enron) ... but obey the government, they are all of God.

Posted by: illiniwek at May 27, 2022 02:53 PM (Cus5s)

316 The NRA doesn't represent me.

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Ha, I was just going to comment that I know many gun owners who would also say the NRA doesn't represent them.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at May 27, 2022 02:53 PM (sX1BW)

317 I'm surprised they name the position as school resource OFFICER.

I mean, like, hey, isn't an OFFICER a cop?

Shouldn't it be named something like "school resource PERSON?"

Or "school resource THEY?"

Or how about just "clown."

Posted by: Mr Gaga at May 27, 2022 02:53 PM (KiBMU)

318 "They are really easy to put together, there is a ridiculous amount of aftermarket stuff to tailor them to whatever you might want, the ammo is reasonably cheap, and they are fun to shoot."

Devastating round (see Rittenhouse,) light, short, easy to handle and shoot, hi-cap box mag, repairs require no gunsmithing, etc, etc. It's an excellent platform.

Posted by: Flight Level gp Heavy Chop at May 27, 2022 02:53 PM (qpX6U)

319 David Hogg
@davidhogg111
Gun owners are contacting me asking what they can do. Right now here's what I need you to do.
______________

And here's what I need YOU to do: hit the gym, and lose those pipe cleaner arms.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 27, 2022 02:54 PM (rNyNM)

320 257 >>> How is a school not prepared to do ANYTHING WHATSOEVER in the event of an active shooter?
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 27, 2022 02:44 PM (iFTx/)


At every business or institution, I've been at the active shooter training is the same, stay still, don't move, don't engage, make yourself an easy target.
Posted by: banana Dream, now 40% less explicit at May 27, 2022 02:47 PM (QzpS1)

I know this is a touchy comment - but reach out to your local LEO. See if they have someone certified to teach C.R.A.S.E. Yes, they teach Run, Hide, Fight - but you may also get some good tactics advice out of it. It should be free and is worth the 2hrs of your time.

If you have ever seen me mention using a fire extignuisher if you are somewhere when things go sideways and you aren't carrying - that advice came from CRASE. Fire extinguishers make great "bell" ringers. If, after connecting on the first swing, you can swing 2 or more times - do it. Might as well make sure you drive your point across.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 27, 2022 02:54 PM (N39Ws)

321 And the NRA is such a powerful gun lobby that they declared bankruptcy just last year.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 27, 2022 02:54 PM (UuD2k)

322 @296 Eric Blade

"The we-need-to-get-the-spare-key was a deliberate attempt to delay going in on the hope that everything would be over by the time they got there."

Yep, they're hoping the guy gets to his last bullet and kills himself so they don't have to risk their own lives in a shootout.

I don't blame them, really. They're told that the first duty of a cop is to get home safely after his shift is over.

Plus, hey, all the "defund the cops" and putting them in jail when their perp dies of a fentynal overdose ... who could blame them?

Posted by: JamesCarville at May 27, 2022 02:54 PM (58AQ5)

323 *This* is the claptrap that all your idiot leftard friends read, or have regurgitated to them. The obfuscations and fairy tale spinning is beyond mind-blowing. It's the lie-filled equivalent of an orgasm. It's lie bukkake. There is no sense in even beginning to counter it except with a blunt object, label side up.
Posted by: ... at May 27, 2022 02:47 PM (dscaa)

On a related, tangential note, remember how Leftists used to say that the 1950's world Father's Knows Best and Leave it to Beaver NEVER EXISTED? Right up until they started pointing out that that world was white supremacist because they never showed POC.

Posted by: Name Withheld at May 27, 2022 02:54 PM (mR6Gs)

324 >>>Look in your gun cabinet. If you wanted to commit an evil atrocity like this, which weapon would you choose? You'd most likely go with an AR or AK.

Today yes, because they are common. Similar weapons of comparable performance have been around since the early 50s. Semi auto handguns...much longer than that.

Posted by: mikethemoose at May 27, 2022 02:54 PM (z/ZJG)

325 The we-need-to-get-the-spare-key was a deliberate attempt to delay going in on the hope that everything would be over by the time they got there

Posted by: Elric Blade at May 27, 2022 02:51 PM (iFTx/)

I shudder to think that this sounds right.

Speaking of missing keys, there are still many missing key details about this farce.

Posted by: ... at May 27, 2022 02:55 PM (dscaa)

326 Gun owners are contacting me asking what they can do

And then his 4 year old daughter Cindy just asked him with tears in her eyes how come people don't just ignore then constitution and seize guns?

And Indiana Jones 5 isn't complete crap

All these things are totally true, that's the ticket.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 27, 2022 02:55 PM (KZzsI)

327 Normally people choose a handgun, not a rifle. You could have watched that video posted here a couple of weeks ago, where kids were just sitting on the curb. Car pulled up and shooters used handguns to shoot them. One kid and his dog dead, IIRC

Posted by: Notsothoreau - move forward at May 27, 2022 02:55 PM (5HBd1)

328 You wanna see the lefty spin on this?
"Law enforcement can't even stop these shooters, guns are far too powerful, no amount of armed teachers or school officials could ever hope to save anyone".


Posted by: Reality Man at May 27, 2022 02:55 PM (XTMvj)

329 The ar is standard issue. The local police had them or the equivalent. Also buckshot is ubiquitous police gear. Every car was equipped so.

Posted by: USNtakim deplorable, now with ultra maga at May 27, 2022 02:55 PM (0OmEj)

330 >>> Most serious large aircraft and ship accidents are due to a chain of individually unlikely equipment failures and/or human errors occurring at the same time or in a statistically improbable sequence. Bad stuff happens. Murphy's Law.
Posted by: Get on it, Wheels! at May 27, 2022 02:48 PM (Meiie)


But are very often linked together by key design failures which in a large range of heretofore not considered scenarios would always result in the same catastrophe. Engineers understand probability. Enough flight hours and low probability is high probability.

Posted by: banana Dream, now 40% less explicit at May 27, 2022 02:55 PM (QzpS1)

331 321 And the NRA is such a powerful gun lobby that they declared bankruptcy just last year.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 27, 2022 02:54 PM (UuD2k)

IIANM, that was to help facilitate them escape NY (which is where they were incorporated.

With that said, the NRA is nothing but a slush fund for LaPierre nowadays anyways.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 27, 2022 02:55 PM (N39Ws)

332 The nanosecond the ink is dry from Bidens signature on a bill to ban ar15s, the push will start to ban something else.

These people never stop. Which is why you never surrender an inch.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 27, 2022 02:55 PM (OalnH)

333 I honestly do not understand how "men" were content to stand outside while a real monster was inside a room with children, some alive, some dead, some bleeding out, and were content to just stand there doing nothing.

In Heritage America the cops would rush in because "its OUR kids"

In Soviet America though, those were just "some other American's kids"

Posted by: 18-1 at May 27, 2022 02:56 PM (ESjRY)

334 Know who killed the UT sniper?
A Mexican with a shot gun.

Know who killed the Uvalde murderer?
A Mexican with a shot gun.
Posted by: Braenyard, still waiting for a good alternative phone

Mexicans with shotguns. Don't fuck with them.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 27, 2022 02:56 PM (FVME7)

335 319 David Hogg
@davidhogg111
Gun owners are contacting me asking what they can do. Right now here's what I need you to do.
______________
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 27, 2022 02:54 PM (rNyNM)

_______________________________

Yea I'm sure that like totally happened, yo

Posted by: Elric Blade at May 27, 2022 02:56 PM (iFTx/)

336 David Hogg
@davidhogg111
Gun owners are contacting me asking what they can do. Right now here's what I need you to do.



I detect one big fucking lie.

Posted by: mr tmz at May 27, 2022 02:56 PM (rJ48h)

337 Gun owners are contacting me asking what they can do.

I'll take "Things That Have Never Happened" for $2000, Alex.

Posted by: spindrift at May 27, 2022 02:56 PM (h5TKJ)

338 These people never stop. Which is why you never surrender an inch.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 27, 2022 02:55 PM (OalnH)

Exactly

Posted by: It's me donna at May 27, 2022 02:56 PM (bs+z0)

339 They won't let us handle this our way and we won't let them handle this their way. Every single news cycle proves our only choice is seceeed or submit.

Posted by: Shiggz (cool ranch MAGA) at May 27, 2022 02:56 PM (KkIiz)

340 205 After George Floyd and the cops put on trial for responding to that call, I think police departments across America are making it very clear that they're no longer going to put their own lives on the line for a bunch of fucking ingrates.
Posted by: JamesCarville at May 27, 2022 02:41 PM (58AQ5)

This probably had some part in the cops' decision-making process.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at May 27, 2022 02:57 PM (Qhnrt)

341 The more that comes out the more ridiculously stupid ever more people are beginning to look.
50 cops in the parking lot...25 coppas hanging out in a hallway...waited 45 minutes to bother to get keys to the door...classroom is lined with windows, few if any cops outside by the windows, EVERYONE has a cell phones, click video, set several on window sill from outside, BINGO...real time/live surveillance confirmation of exact location and activities.
Marshals/Rangers drove 75 miles to get there, still nothing happened even after they arrived.

Posted by: Birddog at May 27, 2022 02:57 PM (uAI4S)

342 All Texas schools do active shooter drills. Lock all doors, turn off lights, hide under desks or against the wall out of sight, wait for phone call to room to head to exit

Posted by: brak at May 27, 2022 02:57 PM (j5Tg0)

343 From the Bee

Parents Begin Disguising School Buildings As The Capitol So Congress Will Spend Billions To Protect Them
t.ly/pGSd

Posted by: jeannebodine at May 27, 2022 02:57 PM (wbP2K)

344 308 Waco was the Feds. Local cops talked to Koresh outside the compound all the time. They could have easily arrested him. You can thank Janet Reno for those dead kids.
Posted by: Notsothoreau - move forward at May 27, 2022 02:52 PM (5HBd1)


There is a wonderful talk about war from the great Eugene Sledge and at the beginning he makes a crack about Janet Reno and the audience is in stitches. Dates from around the time of Waco.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 27, 2022 02:57 PM (s2VJv)

345 "Today yes, because they are common. Similar weapons of comparable performance have been around since the early 50s. Semi auto handguns...much longer than that."

I have Garand, M1 carbine, Enfield No. 5, SKS, and others. I'd choose the AR. It's just the simple truth. NB: I am not going to shoot anyfuckingbody.

Posted by: Flight Level gp Heavy Chop at May 27, 2022 02:57 PM (qpX6U)

346 Loved Alan White's drumming too, but both of those songs linked were played by Bill Bruford, the original drummer. White replaced him after Close To The Edge when Bruford quit to join King Crimson.
Posted by: Marcus Gravey at May 27, 2022 02:51 PM (kNgCR)

Alan White also recorded with John Lennon, playing that distinctive drum work on "Instant Karma" as well as on the insipid "Imagine."

Posted by: Name Withheld at May 27, 2022 02:57 PM (mR6Gs)

347 309 229 How is a school not prepared to do ANYTHING WHATSOEVER in the event of an active shooter?"

When you understand how completely incompetent everyone at every level of officialdom truly is, the only surprise is that this kind of thing doesn't happen a whole lot more often.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 27, 2022 02:57 PM (trdmm)

348 It was supposed to work this way:

1) Mass cell phones taking video of cops all the time

2) tons of video of cops behaving badly

3) citizens pressures mayor to pressure chief/unions to fire the 5% bad apples

4) mayor keeps their job

I have failed. I have failed because you have not helped me motivate Major Pyle...

Posted by: Two Weeks at May 27, 2022 02:57 PM (ELnqd)

349 Most spree shooters off themselves eventually.

Officer Donuts was banking on it.

Easier to go in and set up the chalk outlines then see how good your tactical training was...

Posted by: 18-1 at May 27, 2022 02:57 PM (ESjRY)

350 These people never stop. Which is why you never surrender an inch.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 27, 2022 02:55 PM (OalnH)

I remember all the complaints that Trump never apologizes.

Think - have you ever seen an active Democrat apologize for *anything*? Can you even *picture* an Obama or a Hillary or a Pelosi apologizing???

Posted by: ... at May 27, 2022 02:57 PM (dscaa)

351 Devastating round (see Rittenhouse,) light, short, easy to handle and shoot, hi-cap box mag, repairs require no gunsmithing, etc, etc. It's an excellent platform.

Sure, all of that is true, but that's not why they fixate on the AR. Reporters don't know any of that crap, they took a chainsaw bayonet seriously and think bright orange earplugs are rubber bullets.

It looks memorable and impressive, its iconic, and hence easy to identify and remember, and isolate to target. Its a mascot for gun control.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 27, 2022 02:58 PM (KZzsI)

352 Know who killed the UT sniper?
A Mexican with a shot gun.

Know who killed the Uvalde murderer?
A Mexican with a shot gun.
Posted by: Braenyard, still waiting for a good alternative phone

Shotguns - the ultimate FAFO tool.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 27, 2022 02:58 PM (N39Ws)

353 340 205 After George Floyd and the cops put on trial for responding to that call, I think police departments across America are making it very clear that they're no longer going to put their own lives on the line for a bunch of fucking ingrates.
Posted by: JamesCarville at May 27, 2022 02:41 PM (58AQ5)

This probably had some part in the cops' decision-making process.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at May 27, 2022 02:57 PM (Qhnrt)


I understand this rationale but Dear God, there were children in there getting slaughtered. And a few were the children of the police, or so I have read.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 27, 2022 02:58 PM (s2VJv)

354 I don't blame them, really. They're told that the first duty of a cop is to get home safely after his shift is over.

Plus, hey, all the "defund the cops" and putting them in jail when their perp dies of a fentynal overdose ... who could blame them?
Posted by: JamesCarville at May 27, 2022 02:54 PM (58AQ5)


I blame them. Why'd they get into that line of work? Why are they staying? If they don't like the defund talk, if they don't like the criticism and the second guessing, quit. But don't keep snapping up a paycheck while you're not Protecting and Serving.

Posted by: Wally at May 27, 2022 02:58 PM (FJYfm)

355 And people wonder why others are skeptical that these events are even really occurring and aren't just a bunch of crisis actors.

Posted by: JamesCarville
--------------------------
In reality, governments are fcked up that much in procedures mainly to shield the organization from accountability and from questions about its effectiveness. Ask any line serving military veteran, ask any front line worker, etc. Big businesses or non profits are often not much better, especially if they are in a monopoly position.



Posted by: whig at May 27, 2022 02:59 PM (Iq9dF)

356 50 cops in the parking lot...25 coppas hanging out in a hallway...waited 45 minutes to bother to get keys to the door.

Obviously 50 cops is not enough to take on one deranged Tranny.

No wonder they were so afraid of the Jan 6 protests

Posted by: 18-1 at May 27, 2022 02:59 PM (ESjRY)

357 345
I have Garand, M1 carbine, Enfield No. 5, SKS, and others. I'd choose the AR. It's just the simple truth. NB: I am not going to shoot anyfuckingbody.
Posted by: Flight Level gp Heavy Chop at May 27, 2022 02:57 PM (qpX6U)

Dude - ever hear of OpSec?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 27, 2022 02:59 PM (N39Ws)

358 magnum. That would've worked.

Posted by: 496 at May 27, 2022 02:59 PM (VJsqe)

359 After George Floyd and the cops put on trial for responding to that call, I think police departments across America are making it very clear that they're no longer going to put their own lives on the line for a bunch of fucking ingrates.
Posted by: JamesCarville at May 27, 2022 02:41 PM (58AQ5)

This probably had some part in the cops' decision-making process.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at May 27, 2022 02:57 PM (Qhnrt)

Also bureaucratic bullshit that breeds hesitation and hang-wringing ---no one wanting to make a decision and take a firm stand.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 27, 2022 02:59 PM (mR6Gs)

360 Texas DPS has not learned the basic rule of progressive governmental organizations yet.

You never admit error.

Look at how the Biden Administration handled the Afghanistan withdrawal:

It went perfectly. Perfectly. If you doubt that, you are a vile insurrectionist who deserves to be imprisoned.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 27, 2022 02:59 PM (I2/tG)

361 >>> 265 What's the deal with AR-15s? Is there something special about them?
Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at May 27, 2022 02:48 PM (eGTCV)

They're WEAPONS of WAR!

REEEEEEEEEE!!!

Posted by: leftist bints at May 27, 2022 02:59 PM (llON8)

362 Shotguns - the ultimate FAFO tool.
---------------
At those ranges Ramos didn't have a chest after being shot.

Posted by: Puddinhead at May 27, 2022 03:00 PM (KY22T)

363 Having worked with DPS and been to their meetings, they are a couple of actual cops with political ambitions and a bunch of government beurocrats who love to rent out venues and have catered lunches and talk about how important they are. Ie exactly who you think they are.

Posted by: Shiggz (cool ranch MAGA) at May 27, 2022 03:00 PM (KkIiz)

364 What's the deal with AR-15s? Is there something special about them?

They are scary, black, and have the thing that goes up.

Posted by: The FNM at May 27, 2022 03:00 PM (ESjRY)

365 I'm not going to defend the NRA.

Recall, every year they endorsed Harry Reid?

There are how many Democrats who passed how many other laws that, bit by bit, stripped away our freedoms because the NRA endorsed them for a worthless, narrow point on gun control?

The NRA made this bed it finds itself in by sleeping with every Uniparty Whore they could find.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 27, 2022 03:00 PM (Zf0+a)

366 22
"OKAY guys- listen up. Chief says if we keep the guy in one room, he only kills everybody in there- then once that's done, we should be able to go in. Sound good?"

I mean, this was exactly their reasoning, wasn't it?

Posted by: Anotheranon at May 27, 2022 03:00 PM (8Ze5j)

367 These people never stop. Which is why you never surrender an inch.

Well, that's the thing. I have some areas I'm willing to wiggle a little on guns, but I won't because I know that's just a step toward even worse crap I'd oppose. You have to go all or nothing because they'll keep going until you DO reach a place you can't agree with any more and then its too late.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 27, 2022 03:00 PM (KZzsI)

368 Damn.. I'm starting to agree with MUMR

Posted by: It's me donna at May 27, 2022 03:00 PM (bs+z0)

369 It looks memorable and impressive, its iconic, and hence easy to identify and remember, and isolate to target. Its a mascot for gun control.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 27, 2022 02:58 PM (KZzsI)


And it's black. For liberal reporters (BIRM), that makes it super scary and dangerous.

Posted by: Wally at May 27, 2022 03:00 PM (FJYfm)

370 David Hogg
@davidhogg111
Gun owners are contacting me asking what they can do. Right now here's what I need you to do.
----
What gun owner worthy of the name would take "expert" advice from this know-nothing idiot?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 27, 2022 03:00 PM (K5n5d)

371
A friend of mine whose family was from Ireland told me that he had a cousin who is chief of police of his local town and every day and he just went to play golf. I guess cops are the same everywhere of course his cousin was in a low crime area

Posted by: Avi at May 27, 2022 03:01 PM (T4qa/)

372 I noticed in msm reports they now say ar15 “style” assault weapon. I think they clued in that just focusing on ar15 goes against their cause. Now it’s a “style” as in a rifle. That fires bullets. Which is what we now have to ban, not just a specific weapon.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 27, 2022 03:01 PM (OalnH)

373 School Resource Officer = holder of sinecure

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 27, 2022 03:01 PM (rNyNM)

374 Shit, the security in the office where I work gets an alarm if a door is left open and there are cameras at every entry point.

Are you telling me that the billions we spend on education and we don't have this same level of security at schools?
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 27, 2022 02:36 PM (UuD2k)

Your office is interested in protecting their investment. Schools are interested in protecting their cola raises.

Posted by: Sjg at May 27, 2022 03:01 PM (gDSJf)

375 I blame them. Why'd they get into that line of work?"

for some I know - because they lettered in sports in High School, but they could barely manage a couple years of community college and they didn't want to be cell phone salesmen.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 27, 2022 03:01 PM (trdmm)

376 365 What's the deal with AR-15s? Is there something special about them?

They are scary, black, and have the thing that goes up.
Posted by: The FNM at May 27, 2022 03:00 PM (ESjRY)


"Do NOT say my wife's name!"

- - Will Smith

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 27, 2022 03:01 PM (s2VJv)

377 I mean, not that it mattered, fighting on the German side meant fighting to protect and promote concentration camps and all the rest of that evil stuff. But most troops weren't aware of it at the time.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 27, 2022 02:50.

Actually most of the Wermacht troops knew of these things as they were involved in a lot of them. The clean Wermacht trope came out after the war when the generals started writing their CYA memoirs. "It wasn't us. No, it was those SS guys!"

Posted by: 3-7-77 at May 27, 2022 03:01 PM (NQrvS)

378 357 345
I have Garand, M1 carbine, Enfield No. 5, SKS, and others. I'd choose the AR. It's just the simple truth. NB: I am not going to shoot anyfuckingbody.
Posted by: Flight Level gp Heavy Chop at May 27, 2022 02:57 PM (qpX6U)
----------------
I've got an Jungle Enfield too. Nice kick to it.

Posted by: Puddinhead at May 27, 2022 03:01 PM (KY22T)

379 "Dude - ever hear of OpSec?"

I filled out a 4473 for every one of them, so govt is already well aware I have them. Dear Govt: I shoot at inanimate targets only. Unless an animated target invades my home; then I'm likely to shoot them.

Posted by: Flight Level gp Heavy Chop at May 27, 2022 03:02 PM (qpX6U)

380 To government employees your kids are not a priority. Their priorities are:

1) I don't get shot
2) I keep my pension
3) I don't get in trouble with the media or any activist groups

Posted by: 18-1 at May 27, 2022 03:02 PM (ESjRY)

381 School cop DID return to the school...drove right past the shooter, didn't see him, couldn't locate him...."Because he was crouched down and firing from behind a car"...Whaaaat? how loud was your radio blaring music that you did not HEAR the gun going off and contemplate whether "perhaps" that "Might" be the guy you were supposed to be looking for?

Posted by: Birddog at May 27, 2022 03:02 PM (uAI4S)

382 The good news is, we have a great real-world scenario to add to our training!

Posted by: DPS Director McGraw at May 27, 2022 03:02 PM (YsLD1)

383 A friend of mine whose family was from Ireland told me that he had a cousin who is chief of police of his local town and every day and he just went to play golf. I guess cops are the same everywhere of course his cousin was in a low crime area
Posted by: Avi at May 27, 2022 03:01 PM (T4qa/)

Went to the OJ Simpson School of Finding Murders?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 27, 2022 03:02 PM (N39Ws)

384 >>> And it's black. For liberal reporters (BIRM), that makes it super scary and dangerous.
Posted by: Wally at May 27, 2022 03:00 PM (FJYfm)


You can get them done pink with shiny silver tassels I imagine.

Posted by: banana Dream, now 40% less explicit at May 27, 2022 03:02 PM (QzpS1)

385 Crap. Off Montana vigilantly sock.

Posted by: Beartooth at May 27, 2022 03:02 PM (NQrvS)

386 I think a lot of these systems that were put in place and paid millions for were bullshit make work grift.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at May 27, 2022 02:44 PM (tY0Ps)


Of course it was. This sort of shit doesn't happen here. It happens to other people. Meanwhile, my cousin is making a killing - no pun intended - selling security upgrades to schools. -- politician who'll now vote for more "funding" for school security

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at May 27, 2022 03:02 PM (GYIa4)

387 It's just semi-automatics that need to be banned.

Revolvers are fine. Maybe.

Posted by: ... at May 27, 2022 03:02 PM (dscaa)

388 Well, that's the thing. I have some areas I'm willing to wiggle a little on guns, but I won't because I know that's just a step toward even worse crap I'd oppose. You have to go all or nothing because they'll keep going until you DO reach a place you can't agree with any more and then its too late.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor a

100% me too.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 27, 2022 03:02 PM (OalnH)

389 I blame them. Why'd they get into that line of work?"


For some--too few these days---it's an actual calling. For others it's the family "business"--their fathers and grandfathers were cops.

For others it's the bennies and retiring at 40

Posted by: JoeF. at May 27, 2022 03:02 PM (mR6Gs)

390 "OKAY guys- listen up. Chief says if we keep the guy in one room, he only kills everybody in there- then once that's done, we should be able to go in. Sound good?"

"And eventually he'll run out of ammo, or get tired and doze off, and then we can grab him up in safety."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 27, 2022 03:02 PM (rNyNM)

391 "I've got an Jungle Enfield too. Nice kick to it."

I call mine 'Thumper.'

Posted by: Flight Level gp Heavy Chop at May 27, 2022 03:02 PM (qpX6U)

392 Julio Rosas
@Julio_Rosas11
TX DPS Director McGraw: Before the shooter crashed his vehicle, a teacher propped open the door he would later use to enter the school.

-
I assume this was because the rooms were hot.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 27, 2022 03:03 PM (FVME7)

393 I'll never accept the badge-licker defense that everyone else didn't respect the cops' authoritay, therefore this was inevitable.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at May 27, 2022 03:03 PM (wPuAx)

394 Plus, hey, all the "defund the cops" and putting them in jail when their perp dies of a fentynal overdose ... who could blame them?

"Defund the cops" is limited to big blue, cities. A suburban county in Portland is run by Democrats, but they weren't politically suicidal enough to ever suggest defunding their police. In Oregon, "defund the cops" stops at Portland's city limits.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 27, 2022 03:03 PM (I2/tG)

395 Sounds to me like Texas DPS is going to let the chips fall where the will. Not even an attempt to sugar coat the situation.

When Biden is more solicitous to the local police than Texas DPS, you gotta wonder what is going on here.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at May 27, 2022 03:03 PM (5p7BC)

396 I forgot to add---some guys become cops for the chicks.
Women love a man in uniform.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 27, 2022 03:03 PM (mR6Gs)

397 The only solution is to abolish public schools.

Online wine-moms claim to be so super-worried about their kids after ever one of these shootings, they make claims that school shootings are super-common (over 200 just this year!!!), but they still keep sending their kids to school every day. What does that say about the moms?

Posted by: 29Victor at May 27, 2022 03:03 PM (BJKQV)

398 The clean Wermacht trope came out after the war when the generals started writing their CYA memoirs. "It wasn't us. No, it was those SS guys!"

I remember Stauffenberg and co found out about the death camps and the extermination groups pretty early on. It was one of the reasons they gave for why Germans specifically needed to get rid of Hitler, and even when it looked like the war was lost they had to try.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 27, 2022 03:03 PM (ESjRY)

399 What's the deal with AR-15s? Is there something special about them?

They are scary, black, and have the thing that goes up.
Posted by: The FNM


And we can pretend the AR stands for Assault Rifle.

Posted by: also The FNM at May 27, 2022 03:04 PM (P1f+c)

400 Wheels is firing off a letter to Mr. FIB Chris Wray for the new training courses, especially the one about endless finger pointing and then that'll be blessed as completed, up-to-date, and the matter closed.

For efficiency and beyond.

Posted by: micky at May 27, 2022 03:04 PM (3byMq)

401 Uvalde was where we needed that Capitol cop who shot Ashli Babbitt.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 27, 2022 03:04 PM (rNyNM)

402 When Biden is more solicitous to the local police than Texas DPS, you gotta wonder what is going on here.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at May 27, 2022 03:03 PM (5p7BC)

I don't like this either, but what are you driving at?

Posted by: JoeF. at May 27, 2022 03:04 PM (mR6Gs)

403 "My dad owned a gun that I inherited. It's locked in the attic just in case it wakes up and starts a killing spree. Please, David Hogg, tell me how to help with the gun problem in America."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 27, 2022 03:04 PM (LvTSG)

404 380 To government employees your kids are not a priority. Their priorities are:

1) I don't get shot
2) I keep my pension
3) I don't get in trouble with the media or any activist groups

Posted by: 18-1 at May 27, 2022 03:02 PM (ESjRY)

This attitude is more of an indicator of moral bankruptcy and rot than a million Rachel Levines and Lia Thomases combined.

To have this calculus while hearing the death screams of children is just beyond the pale.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 27, 2022 03:04 PM (s2VJv)

405 391 "I've got an Jungle Enfield too. Nice kick to it."

I call mine 'Thumper.'
------------
Wear a padded shooting jacket. That rubber butt plate has no cushion to it after 80 years.

Posted by: Puddinhead at May 27, 2022 03:04 PM (KY22T)

406 Armed School Resource Officer missing.
Teacher / Admin person propped door open, allowing gunman access.
Shooter may have been known to law enforcement from 2 yr prior as a future school shooter.

if you have enough WTF's, then conspiracy theories will begat conspiracy theories.


Posted by: NotAlexJones_but at May 27, 2022 03:04 PM (HyD1b)

407 A friend of mine whose family was from Ireland told me that he had a cousin who is chief of police of his local town and every day and he just went to play golf. I guess cops are the same everywhere of course his cousin was in a low crime area
Posted by: Avi at May 27, 2022 03:01 PM (T4qa/)

"Pretty good life, innit?"

- PC Danny Butterman

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at May 27, 2022 03:04 PM (906pl)

408 Kind of like the pandemic trial run before they unleashed Covid. I'll never be convinced that this wasn't completed orchestrated and carried out by antifa, which is in effect our national military now.
___

Puhlease.

They're overgrown brats, not even close to being a national, or even regional, military.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at May 27, 2022 03:04 PM (EfFOe)

409
You can tell by the circumcision of the bullets and the little yarmulke on top of the receiver.
Posted by: Aetius
------

The Kosher markings, stamped on the receiver.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 27, 2022 03:04 PM (Gm00d)

410 To government employees your kids are not a priority. Their priorities are:

1) I don't get shot
2) I keep my pension
3) I don't get in trouble with the media or any activist groups


The good news is, we don't live in your town, we don't know you, we don't report to you, and we will never run into you out of uniform.

Posted by: Big LEO at May 27, 2022 03:04 PM (YsLD1)

411 Uvalde was where we needed that Capitol cop who shot Ashli Babbitt.

I'm not shooting some mostly peaceful tranny you white supremacist honkeys!

Posted by: Lt Byrd at May 27, 2022 03:05 PM (ESjRY)

412 So Hogg and that creepy dyke seem to have decided that the most important issue about this shooting is themselves and especially about trying to get themselves another 15 minutes

Posted by: Elric Blade at May 27, 2022 03:05 PM (iFTx/)

413 407 "Pretty good life, innit?"

- PC Danny Butterman
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at May 27, 2022 03:04 PM (906pl)

=========

I've seen him fire two guns whilst jumping through the air.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 27, 2022 03:05 PM (LvTSG)

414 You know what will be the primary outcome of all of this? More funds to outfit the "prevent parents from saving their kids" section of every unit. Increased training on how to "prevent parents from saving their kids". Service messages made explaining the need to "prevent parents from saving their kids".

Posted by: banana Dream, now 40% less explicit at May 27, 2022 03:05 PM (QzpS1)

415 391 "I've got an Jungle Enfield too. Nice kick to it."

I call mine 'Thumper.'
Posted by: Flight Level gp Heavy Chop at May 27, 2022 03:02 PM (qpX6U)

Same. It does kick, but it's darn good out to 100 yards with the old iron sights. Haven't bothered sighting it further because it's all underbrush here anyway... no clean shots beyond that.

Posted by: 496 at May 27, 2022 03:06 PM (VJsqe)

416 I remember Stauffenberg and co found out about the death camps and the extermination groups pretty early on.

Yeah but Private Schultz building a prison camp and then marching off to man the French guns over Normandy doesn't have a clue what is going on or how that prison camp is being used.

The Nazis used a lot of propaganda against their own people because they knew most Germans wouldn't just go along with what they were doing without at least a plausible excuse like "its for their own good" and "it will help the economy"

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 27, 2022 03:06 PM (KZzsI)

417 "That rubber butt plate has no cushion to it after 80 years."

I assumed it was that hard originally, maybe made of bowling ball rubber. You shoot 30cals often enough, you don't even feel it after a while.

Posted by: Flight Level gp Heavy Chop at May 27, 2022 03:06 PM (qpX6U)

418 I'm thinking that school resource officers are not working....
All the schools in Texas are supposed to have limited access at entrances and locked doors for all classrooms.

Posted by: lin-duh at May 27, 2022 03:07 PM (UUBmN)

419 I'll never be convinced that this wasn't completed orchestrated and carried out by antifa,

I've seen a few stories referencing that the Buffalo shooter and this guy had a shared contact. Hard to say if true or not...

But I would believe there are feds stirring these people up, after all we saw that with the "Whitmer kidnapping". I can't believe it is a formal conspiracy where feds are faking these things a la crises actors.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 27, 2022 03:07 PM (ESjRY)

420 Another thing to consider (and this is not a defense more an explanation). This is a town of 15k people. What’s the worst crime cops deal with? Drunk teenagers? Stolen cars? Small time drug dealers?

These cops aren’t Chicago cops who deal with shootings every day. It’s not really in their wheelhouse.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 27, 2022 03:07 PM (OalnH)

421 405 That rubber butt plate has no cushion to it after 80 years.
Posted by: Puddinhead at May 27, 2022 03:04 PM (KY22T


"Oooh, HOT!"

- - Mayor Peter Puffer, Chastened to Breast Feed

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 27, 2022 03:07 PM (s2VJv)

422 In handguns, the most-used caliber is a 9mm, and it has far far less muzzle energy when compared to the AR load, the 5.56/.223.

A .357 magnum comes close enough to the 5.56 to be considered about equal, and a .44 mag beats the carbine load.

It's that energy smack that kills, not the size of the bullet.

Basic physics. F equals m times a. The 5.56 is a killer due to how much powder is in that casing creating the propulsion explosion.

But the 5.56 ain't no deer rifle. No sir. People hunt with them, but it's far better to go bigger. The old saddle rifle 30-30 Winchester, from 125 years ago, delivers about 50 percent more muzzle energy than the AR round.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at May 27, 2022 03:07 PM (KiBMU)

423 I remember Stauffenberg and co found out about the death camps and the extermination groups pretty early on.

It would be hard for German soldiers not to notice the SS Einsatzgruppen operating in the immediate rear of the German Army, what with the mass roundups of civilians and shootings and all.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 27, 2022 03:07 PM (I2/tG)

424 I remember Stauffenberg and co found out about the death camps and the extermination groups pretty early on. It was one of the reasons they gave for why Germans specifically needed to get rid of Hitler, and even when it looked like the war was lost they had to try.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 27, 2022 03:03 PM (ESjRY)

Stauffenberg and others of the Prussian military elite had NO problem with Hitler's nationalism or territorial ambitions, and most were probably anti-Semitic to one degree or another. But they were horrified by the death camps, believing the genocide was a moral outrage that would forever stain the honor of Germany.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 27, 2022 03:07 PM (mR6Gs)

425 " it's darn good out to 100 yards with the old iron sights"

Yeah, I got lucky and got one with an excellent bore. Surprisingly accurate for its short barrel. Only cost $200.

Posted by: Flight Level gp Heavy Chop at May 27, 2022 03:08 PM (qpX6U)

426 Uvalde was where we needed that Capitol cop who shot Ashli Babbitt.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 27, 2022 03:04 PM (rNyNM)


No, the Uvalde cops would also have been willing to shoot someone unarmed, like Ashli Babbitt. But people who can shoot back? No way, man! That's not the Police Way.

Posted by: Wally at May 27, 2022 03:08 PM (FJYfm)

427 Armed School Resource Officer missing.
Teacher / Admin person propped door open, allowing gunman access.
Shooter may have been known to law enforcement from 2 yr prior as a future school shooter.

if you have enough WTF's, then conspiracy theories will begat conspiracy theories.


Posted by: NotAlexJones

Still missing?
I have questions... about it all. Lots and lots of questions...

Posted by: Heavy Squats at May 27, 2022 03:08 PM (dCPTU)

428 At least NINE PHONE CALLS TO 911 came from inside the room with the shooter between 12:03 and 12:47.

https://bit.ly/3GG01TX

The commander on scene called it a barricaded subject situation because he was more concerned about his people than the kids. It allowed him to change his tactical posture from "go in now" to "sit and wait.". Fucker knew it was still an active shooter situation.

Posted by: bonhomme at May 27, 2022 03:08 PM (i0wNm)

429 To have this calculus while hearing the death screams of children is just beyond the pale.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 27, 2022 03:04 PM (s2VJv)
____________________________

Death screams of children mean nothing to them, or else they wouldn't have their fetish for abortion up until the moment of crowning

Posted by: Elric Blade at May 27, 2022 03:08 PM (iFTx/)

430 332

' who could blame them?'
Well, I can. I know your argument is that police are afraid to do anything that isn't lawyer approved.
There are reasons that might have made me afraid to run in that school too but a lawsuit isn't among them

Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 27, 2022 03:08 PM (VNGpB)

431 411 Uvalde was where we needed that Capitol cop who shot Ashli Babbitt.

I'm not shooting some mostly peaceful tranny you white supremacist honkeys!

That capitol cop would have been shooting the parents to prevent them from breaching the police perimeter to enter the school and save their children.

Posted by: Anotheranon at May 27, 2022 03:08 PM (8Ze5j)

432 Homeschool. Do it for the children.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at May 27, 2022 03:08 PM (jYQlA)

433 "Okay you can have your gun. But you can’t have your AR-15," Golberg shouted. "If you're gonna get all in my business can and cannot do, neither can you. They're gonna come for those AR-15's and you better be ready to give them up, because this is America."
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Yes.
It is America.

Molon Labe.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at May 27, 2022 03:08 PM (EfFOe)

434 Yeah but Private Schultz building a prison camp and then marching off to man the French guns over Normandy doesn't have a clue what is going on or how that prison camp is being used.

Not sure I agree about that. Seems a lot of even the enlisted folks were aware there were other guys dealing with the "Jewish problem" in occupied territories and that all the Jews in their town disappeared one night...

Posted by: 18-1 at May 27, 2022 03:09 PM (ESjRY)

435 420 Another thing to consider (and this is not a defense more an explanation). This is a town of 15k people. What’s the worst crime cops deal with? Drunk teenagers? Stolen cars? Small time drug dealers?

These cops aren’t Chicago cops who deal with shootings every day. It’s not really in their wheelhouse.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 27, 2022 03:07 PM (OalnH)

Better yet - population of 15k and their school system had their own police force. I live in a town of 33k people and our school doesn't have that. I've lived in other cities that side and they didn't either.

One job. Those 4 officers, 1 Lt., and the chief. They had one job.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 27, 2022 03:09 PM (N39Ws)

436 What's the deal with AR-15s? Is there something special about them?

They are scary, black, and have the thing that goes up.
Posted by: The FNM at May 27, 2022 03:00 PM (ESjRY)


"Do NOT say my wife's name!"

- - Will Smith
Posted by: J.J. Sefton


Jada's not scary.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at May 27, 2022 03:09 PM (c8pZY)

437 Banging his donuts.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 27, 2022 02:18 PM


I only lick mine.

Posted by: Ariana Grande at May 27, 2022 03:09 PM (a3Q+t)

438 They're gonna come for those AR-15's and you better be ready to give them up, because this is America."
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Uh.. No.... This is America

Posted by: It's me donna at May 27, 2022 03:10 PM (bs+z0)

439 It is *reasonable* to have some weird coincidences in a case like this because without the strange confluence of events, the case wouldn't have happened - meaning, maybe insane guy goes to school intending harm, but can't get in so it becomes a standoff of some kind. A door lazily left ajar alters said story into something much bigger.

HOWEVER, there *are* a lot of coincidences and the excuses are very convenient and not believable at the moment.

Also the WH seems for some reason to not want to bother investigating even though it's quite obviously a gigantic fuckup.

Posted by: ... at May 27, 2022 03:10 PM (dscaa)

440 424 I remember Stauffenberg and co found out about the death camps and the extermination groups pretty early on. It was one of the reasons they gave for why Germans specifically needed to get rid of Hitler, and even when it looked like the war was lost they had to try.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 27, 2022 03:03 PM (ESjRY)

Stauffenberg and others of the Prussian military elite had NO problem with Hitler's nationalism or territorial ambitions, and most were probably anti-Semitic to one degree or another. But they were horrified by the death camps, believing the genocide was a moral outrage that would forever stain the honor of Germany.
Posted by: JoeF. at May 27, 2022 03:07 PM (mR6Gs)

Well even when it came to trying to mass murder the Jews, couldn't just shoot them all, it's too psychologically scarring. Was screwing up the soldiers ordered to do the shooting mentally.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 27, 2022 03:10 PM (b2nrj)

441 To have this calculus while hearing the death screams of children is just beyond the pale.
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It's evil.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at May 27, 2022 03:10 PM (EfFOe)

442
But I would believe there are feds stirring these people up, after all we saw that with the "Whitmer kidnapping". I can't believe it is a formal conspiracy where feds are faking these things a la crises actors.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 27, 2022 03:07 PM


Gretchen Whitmer is the Jussie Smollet of governors

Posted by: AltonJackson at May 27, 2022 03:10 PM (ENBF0)

443 But they were horrified by the death camps, believing the genocide was a moral outrage that would forever stain the honor of Germany.

Yeah, it was a matter of ethics and honor for a lot of them; this is the wrong way to deal with the issue, its evil. But I mean... they didn't resign their commission or defect when they found out. Rommel damn well knew what was going on, but only got mad when Hitler kept interfering and ruining their chances to win.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 27, 2022 03:10 PM (KZzsI)

444 These cops aren’t Chicago cops who deal with shootings every day. It’s not really in their wheelhouse.

Yeah and a whole bunch of 18 year olds joined the military in early 2001 to get "free college".

You sign your name on that line we have expectations.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 27, 2022 03:10 PM (ESjRY)

445 "This is a town of 15k people. What’s the worst crime cops deal with? Drunk teenagers? Stolen cars? Small time drug dealers?"

48 Uvalde school safety lockdowns in one year. That's a clue.

Posted by: Flight Level gp Heavy Chop at May 27, 2022 03:10 PM (qpX6U)

446
But are very often linked together by key design failures which in a large range of would always result in the same catastrophe. Engineers understand probability. Enough flight hours and low probability is high probability.

Posted by: banana Dream, now 40% less explicit at May 27, 2022 02:55 PM (QzpS1)


Yes, this is often the case - "...heretofore not considered scenarios..." as you put it. This is why I said in 151,

"I fear that the school district, its police, and the city police became complacent, thinking, "It Can't Happen Here." "

As in, "An elementary school in Uvalde will never be the target of a mass shooter, so why can't I prop this door open, or why do I need to beg for more budget to have a full-time armed officer at each elementary school?"

Posted by: Get on it, Wheels! at May 27, 2022 03:11 PM (Meiie)

447 Graphic imagery of the Uvalde PD in action : https://tinyurl.com/2z226ja5

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 27, 2022 03:11 PM (7WIGP)

448 Another thing to consider (and this is not a defense more an explanation). This is a town of 15k people. What’s the worst crime cops deal with? Drunk teenagers? Stolen cars? Small time drug dealers?
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I live in a town of around 20K. Several years ago, the local campus cops got wind of a potential shooter. He was in the process of arming up when they caught up with him. Took him down quickly, no fuss, no muss, no dead bodies (he was in a hotel room or something). So, yes, they CAN intervene and do good. They chose not to (or were ORDERED not to) in this instance.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 27, 2022 03:11 PM (K5n5d)

449 I love it when liberals tell me I “can” have my guns. Like oh gee you’re giving me permission? How nice of you. Thanks man.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 27, 2022 03:11 PM (OalnH)

450 I hate to be the 'back in my day' guy, but 30 years ago the police would have swarmed that place immediately upon hearing shots rather than be content to isolate a maniac with children and let things play out. I just don't get it.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at May 27, 2022 03:11 PM (HmZuC)

451 48 Uvalde school safety lockdowns in one year. That's a clue.
Posted by: Flight Level gp Heavy Chop at May 27, 2022 03:10 PM (qpX6U)

They said because of the open border and fears about the cartels

Posted by: It's me donna at May 27, 2022 03:11 PM (bs+z0)

452 Something not mentioned

TEOTWAWKI scenarios usually include cops as helpful good guys. This event is illustrative of where their loyalties will reside.

Posted by: Braenyard, still waiting for a good alternative phone at May 27, 2022 03:12 PM (jyW7T)

453 >>> It would be hard for German soldiers not to notice the SS Einsatzgruppen operating in the immediate rear of the German Army, what with the mass roundups of civilians and shootings and all.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 27, 2022 03:07 PM (I2/tG)


They all knew they were "the baddies". Like leftists here know they're the baddies. As long as all popular culture and institutions are in their control you are shielded from any of the external consequences of their guilt. Destroy morality enough and the internal dialog becomes muffled too. The whole "truth to power" bullshit cracks me up. They would run screaming from the truth if they were ever made to confront it.

Posted by: banana Dream, now 40% less explicit at May 27, 2022 03:12 PM (QzpS1)

454 "449 I love it when liberals tell me I “can” have my guns"

I love it when they say "we will no longer remain silent." When were they ever silent?

Posted by: Flight Level gp Heavy Chop at May 27, 2022 03:12 PM (qpX6U)

455 I told you they were Nazi weapons!

Matea Gold
@mateagold
Maker of rifle in Texas massacre is deep-pocketed GOP donor

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 27, 2022 03:12 PM (FVME7)

456 When were the Feds - the FBI, DOJ, WH, etc, notified of what was going on in Uvalde? What action did they take?

Do we have answers to these questions? Do we even HAVE these questions? Or is the entire media acting like they don't exist?

Because if Trump was president I'm pretty sure they would exist. I'm also sure he wouldn't have sat around and let them wait for some fake barricade situation.

Posted by: ... at May 27, 2022 03:12 PM (dscaa)

457 "This is a town of 15k people. What’s the worst crime cops deal with? Drunk teenagers? Stolen cars? Small time drug dealers?"
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My town of 3500, you pretty much described.

Uvalde is about 70 miles from the border, where there's a LOT of cartel activity.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at May 27, 2022 03:12 PM (EfFOe)

458 Seems a lot of even the enlisted folks were aware there were other guys dealing with the "Jewish problem" in occupied territories and that all the Jews in their town disappeared one night

Yeah but there's a pretty big leap from that to "and they are being systematically murdered, experimented on, and their gold teeth harvested." Getting the Jews out of Germany probably was considered a good thing -- remember originally the plan was to deport them to Eastern Europe.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 27, 2022 03:12 PM (KZzsI)

459 I'm kind of surprised they admitted it was a bad call.

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 27, 2022 03:12 PM (DcKNO)

460 361 >>> 265 What's the deal with AR-15s? Is there something special about them?
Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at May 27, 2022 02:48 PM (eGTCV)

They're WEAPONS of WAR!

REEEEEEEEEE!!!
Posted by: leftist bints at May 27, 2022 02:59 PM (llON

Yes. They are. And I didn't think about getting one until the government started steps to take my more mundane rifles and pistols away from me.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at May 27, 2022 03:13 PM (Qhnrt)

461 Rommel damn well knew what was going on

I think you need to make sure to separate active resistance members like Stauffenberg or Gertsdorff with people who were ok with getting rid of Hitler, like Rommel, but weren't going to actively do so...

Posted by: 18-1 at May 27, 2022 03:13 PM (ESjRY)

462 David Hogg
@davidhogg111
Gun owners are contacting me asking what they can do. Right now here's what I need you to do.


I'll take "things that never happened" for $1000.

Tweet #GunOwnersForSafety to show that the NRA doesn't represent you because you believe in working together as Americans to save our kids even if a small step and get others to tweet.

Ooooo...tweet a hashtag. That'll show 'em.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at May 27, 2022 03:13 PM (GYIa4)

463 the bright side is those parents should at least sue the ever-loving FUCK out of DPS and the school system

cold comfort I know, but at least it's something

Posted by: Black Orchid at May 27, 2022 03:13 PM (w0NJk)

464 Julio Rosas
@Julio_Rosas11
TX DPS Director McGraw: Before the shooter crashed his vehicle, a teacher propped open the door he would later use to enter the school.

-
I assume this was because the rooms were hot.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 27, 2022 03:03 PM (FVME7)
*******
This should NEVER had happened. There was no mention of the air conditioning unit being broken.
I hold this teacher responsible as well as the missing School Resource Officer.

Posted by: redridinghood at May 27, 2022 03:14 PM (NpAcC)

465 360 Yes. They are. And I didn't think about getting one until the government started steps to take my more mundane rifles and pistols away from me.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at May 27, 2022 03:13 PM (Qhnrt)

=========

So are knives. Still used today.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 27, 2022 03:14 PM (LvTSG)

466 0 Another thing to consider (and this is not a defense more an explanation). This is a town of 15k people. What’s the worst crime cops deal with

they're 80 miles from the border controlled by cartels on a major drug and human trafficking pipeline. there's lots of crime there unfortunately

Posted by: brak at May 27, 2022 03:14 PM (j5Tg0)

467 If this puke murderer had had hand guns no doubt he could have killed as many

Posted by: It's me donna at May 27, 2022 03:14 PM (bs+z0)

468 "I'm kind of surprised they admitted it was a bad call."

Frank admissions of error. I was surprised too.

Posted by: Flight Level gp Heavy Chop at May 27, 2022 03:14 PM (qpX6U)

469 They all knew they were "the baddies". Like leftists here know they're the baddies. As long as all popular culture and institutions are in their control you are shielded from any of the external consequences of their guilt. Destroy morality enough and the internal dialog becomes muffled too. The whole "truth to power" bullshit cracks me up. They would run screaming from the truth if they were ever made to confront it.
Posted by: banana Dream, now 40% less explicit at May 27, 2022 03:12 PM (QzpS1)

I disagree.
The Leftists believe they are the Good Guys With Noble Intentions, acting selflessly for the good of ALL people, especially POC and sex weirdos

Posted by: JoeF. at May 27, 2022 03:14 PM (mR6Gs)

470 I'm kind of surprised they admitted it was a bad call.

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 27, 2022 03:12 PM (DcKNO)

Sort of like when Fauci "admitted" he lied about masks. It's too easy an answer. Something smells.

Posted by: ... at May 27, 2022 03:14 PM (dscaa)

471 remember originally the plan was to deport them to Eastern Europe.

Yeah, but that got abandoned and I don't think many Germans thought the Jews were being put on boats to Madagascar...

The people that didn't know didn't want to know.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 27, 2022 03:14 PM (ESjRY)

472 the bright side is those parents should at least sue the ever-loving FUCK out of DPS and the school system
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Hear that?

That's the sound of lawyers stampeding towards Uvalde.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at May 27, 2022 03:15 PM (EfFOe)

473 453 >>> It would be hard for German soldiers not to notice the SS Einsatzgruppen operating in the immediate rear of the German Army, what with the mass roundups of civilians and shootings and all.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 27, 2022 03:07 PM (I2/tG)


Let's not kid ourselves. The Wehrmacht new what was going on and in many instances took part in the roundups, if not the actual massacres. The myth of the "clean German" soldier is just that. Even in North Africa, Wehrmacht units were rounding up Jews in Tunisia. Had it not been for the the Allies driving them out, they all would have either been shot on the spot or shipped off to Birkenau.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 27, 2022 03:15 PM (s2VJv)

474 i'm in texas and i'm slightly familiar with the town and i have to say if i was one of those guys who stood around with my dick in my hand while a single 18 yr old slaughtered 21 innocents, i'd be looking for new digs.

Posted by: ontoiran at May 27, 2022 03:15 PM (nsLiT)

475 Who made the guns used in Chicago to kill 20+ people a day? Should we dox them and link their political allegiances too? What about the DA's who won't prosecute gang bangers?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 27, 2022 03:15 PM (KZzsI)

476 >>> 462
==
Ooooo...tweet a hashtag. That'll show 'em.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at May 27, 2022 03:13 PM (GYIa4)

#bringbackourgirls

Posted by: sad-face Mike O at May 27, 2022 03:15 PM (llON8)

477 Yeah but there's a pretty big leap from that to "and they are being systematically murdered, experimented on, and their gold teeth harvested." Getting the Jews out of Germany probably was considered a good thing -- remember originally the plan was to deport them to Eastern Europe.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 27, 2022 03:12 PM (KZzsI)

It's also easy to spin rumors of wrong-doing as enemy propaganda during war.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 27, 2022 03:15 PM (b2nrj)

478 >>>I'm kind of surprised they admitted it was a bad call.

I'll only be surprised if there are actual consequences. Janet Reno admitted it was a bad call to kill all those kids at Waco but faced no consequences and instead was upheld as some paragon of courage and virtue.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at May 27, 2022 03:15 PM (HmZuC)

479 Several years ago we had a well-known nutjob who tried to shoot up and blow up (with a propane cylinder) a local elementary school. Two Mexican gardeners tackled him and subdued him, God love 'em.

Btw, the cops knew all about this guy, since his neighbors called them about his bizarre behavior about once a month. But thanks to Supreme Court decisions (notably O'Connor v. Donaldson), they had no legal grounds to arrest him. Thanks, Supremes!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 27, 2022 03:15 PM (rNyNM)

480
Einsatzgruppen operating in the immediate rear
BLM in the blue rear of USA

Posted by: Braenyard, still waiting for a good alternative phone at May 27, 2022 03:15 PM (jyW7T)

481 For a while I lived about 100 miles from the Canuckistani border and I never considered myself bing in a border town. Itbhs. I bearing on anything other than seeing the odd Canuck license plate on a car.

70 miles is kinda far from the border for everyone to call Ubalse a border town no?

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 27, 2022 03:16 PM (OalnH)

482 The entire tweet says: “Invented for Nazi infantrymen, further developed by the US military, the AR-15 was the Texas school shooter’s weapon of choice….”
Posted by: SMOD at May 27, 2022

***
If -- IF -- that were true, I'd count it a plus. The Germans made some damn good guns.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 27, 2022 02:32 PM (txdEq)

to be VERY generous to the original idiot in the tweet, they're potentially technically not wrong. after WWI the germans did a study and found that most infantry battles occurred at less than 200 meters, iirc. so the Springfield, Garand, Gewher, etc, were NOT needed by the regular infantry. they needed guns that could fire faster and didn't have to be accurate at a distance much beyond 50-75 meters. thus the Sturmgewher and STG were developed.

I suppose one could argue the AR platform was an remodel and improvement of the STG platform. But one would have to be VERY generous to make that leap.

*I await Anna to correct me...*

Posted by: SturmToddler (po3vF) at May 27, 2022 03:16 PM (p03vF)

483 278 I read that the Border Patrol guy that killed Ramos was getting a haircut nearby when a text came in. He borrowed his barber's shotgun and went in, no body armor, and killed Ramos.
He was grazed on the top of his head by a bullet from Ramos.
You know why he went in?
He had kids in that school.
__________

Two different BP agents. The one getting a haircut was Jacob Albarado. His wife was a teacher at the school, and he had a daughter there too. He rushed to the school with the barber's shotgun, and he helped get his wife, kid, and other students and teachers out of the school. He was not the BP agent who shot and killed the shooter.

The BP agent who killed the shooter has not been named yet. Photos of him show him with a heavy beard. Albarado is clean shaven.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB at May 27, 2022 03:16 PM (MvHI3)

484 Uvalde, sheesh.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 27, 2022 03:16 PM (OalnH)

485 If this puke murderer had had hand guns no doubt he could have killed as many
Posted by: It's me donna

He had plenty of time to kill them with a Brown Bess musket.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 27, 2022 03:16 PM (FVME7)

486 Rommel damn well knew what was going on

I think you need to make sure to separate active resistance members like Stauffenberg or Gertsdorff with people who were ok with getting rid of Hitler, like Rommel, but weren't going to actively do so...
Posted by: 18-1 at May 27, 2022 03:13 PM (ESjRY)

Stauffenberg strongly considered strapping a bomb to himself and taking Hitler with him---or shooting him outright with a pistol when he knew it would mean certain death.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 27, 2022 03:17 PM (mR6Gs)

487 458 Getting the Jews out of Germany probably was considered a good thing -- remember originally the plan was to deport them to Eastern Europe.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 27, 2022 03:12 PM (KZzsI)

"Resettlement to the east" was a euphemism, and they all knew it meant death.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 27, 2022 03:17 PM (s2VJv)

488 70 miles is kinda far from the border for everyone to call Ubalse a border town no?
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In Texas?

Nope.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at May 27, 2022 03:17 PM (EfFOe)

489 425 " it's darn good out to 100 yards with the old iron sights"

Yeah, I got lucky and got one with an excellent bore. Surprisingly accurate for its short barrel. Only cost $200.
------------
I paid $5 for mine. My dad and his friend had a blast bringing it back to service shape. Unfortunately, whoever owned before me sawed off the bayonnet stud. But for $5 I really didn't mind.

Posted by: Puddinhead at May 27, 2022 03:17 PM (KY22T)

490 Yeah, but that got abandoned and I don't think many Germans thought the Jews were being put on boats to Madagascar

Its difficult for me to believe the Germans could possibly have done what they did in WWII and I've done tons of research for decades. Imagine being a ground pounder in a Foxhole hearing rumors of death camps. How likely are you to believe your beloved homeland would do such a thing?

You'll help round up Jews and believe they are the source of your woes but you'll figure they are being imprisoned or shipped out somewhere else -- like now, the little guy doesn't know all the big guy's plans and actions.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 27, 2022 03:17 PM (KZzsI)

491 Invented for Nazi infantrymen, further developed by the US military, the AR-15 was the Texas school shooter’s weapon of choice

I'm not saying it was moon NAZIs...but it was moon NAZIs

Posted by: Giorgio Tsoukalos at May 27, 2022 03:18 PM (ESjRY)

492 Why did the teacher prop the door open?

Because they've been crying wolf with weekly active shooter drills! "Nothing will happen. Nothing ever happens."

Why did the resource officer cruise about campus not really looking?

Same reason

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 27, 2022 03:18 PM (Zf0+a)

493 459 I'm kind of surprised they admitted it was a bad call.
Posted by: Seems Legit at May 27, 2022 03:12 PM (DcKNO)
________________________________

Me too but I think it was strategic. Admit to error and hope that cools an investigation into your conduct. The more they try to deny taking any blame, the louder the calls for a full investigation will be. As I've been saying, I think the true story is even worse than we already know.

Posted by: Elric Blade at May 27, 2022 03:18 PM (iFTx/)

494 That 911 call log is brutal. Kids risking their lives to call for help just to be ignored

Posted by: brak at May 27, 2022 03:18 PM (j5Tg0)

495 I'm kind of surprised they admitted it was a bad call.
Posted by: Seems Legit at May 27, 2022 03:12 PM (DcKNO)


A bad call is eating a 3 week old slice of pizza from the squad break room.

They're using very neutral, low emotion language to desensitize you to the horror of the situation.

"Bad Call" was probably group tested by the White House staff.

Fuck you and your "bad call".

Posted by: naturalfake at May 27, 2022 03:18 PM (OK0YZ)

496 427 ... if you have enough WTF's, then conspiracy theories will begat conspiracy theories.

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more WTFs At GP ....retired federal agent was in regular communication with Buffalo shooter.

Posted by: Haywood at May 27, 2022 03:18 PM (uk0rF)

497 How likely are you to believe your beloved homeland would do such a thing?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 27, 2022 03:17 PM (KZzsI)

Very. Oh, you don't mean *my* homeland?

Posted by: ... at May 27, 2022 03:18 PM (dscaa)

498
Hear that?

That's the sound of lawyers stampeding towards Uvalde.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at May 27, 2022 03:15 PM (EfFOe)
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If the lawyers force the DPS to rid themselves of touchy feely more power to them.

Posted by: Braenyard, still waiting for a good alternative phone at May 27, 2022 03:19 PM (jyW7T)

499 Tweet #GunOwnersForSafety to show that the NRA doesn't represent you because you believe in working together as Americans to save our kids even if a small step and get others to tweet.
______________

"Working together" - now he's channeling Kamala Sutra

Tweet to change the world!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 27, 2022 03:19 PM (rNyNM)

500 70 miles is kinda far from the border for everyone to call Ubalse a border town no?

Since the feds won't enforce the border, every town is now a border town.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at May 27, 2022 03:19 PM (Bd6X8)

501 I paid $5 for mine. My dad and his friend had a blast bringing it back to service shape. Unfortunately, whoever owned before me sawed off the bayonnet stud. But for $5 I really didn't mind.
Posted by: Puddinhead at May 27, 2022 03:17 PM (KY22T)

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My dad bought mine for me in the 70's for hunting. It's ugly, but effective.

Posted by: 496 at May 27, 2022 03:19 PM (VJsqe)

502 I suppose one could argue the AR platform was an remodel and improvement of the STG platform. But one would have to be VERY generous to make that leap.

*I await Anna to correct me...*
Posted by: SturmToddler

Someone contact Eugene Stoner and ask him where he got the idea for his AR platform.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at May 27, 2022 03:19 PM (c8pZY)

503 Oh jeez, now they want 'uncomfortable conversations' again.

No they don't! That's the last fucking thing they want.

Posted by: Flight Level gp Heavy Chop at May 27, 2022 03:20 PM (qpX6U)

504 If "hiring cops with the sort of psychology you actually need for effective law enforcement" were the prime consideration, you would likely not get a force that looks like America. Or even one lacking in sympathy for LGBTQWERY, or climate awareness.

Posted by: Eeyore at May 27, 2022 03:20 PM (R0Tis)

505 1% of the population in Germany was a Nazi, but they ruined for the 99% of Good Germans.

Much like the FBI today.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 27, 2022 03:20 PM (OalnH)

506 >>> 487 458 Getting the Jews out of Germany probably was considered a good thing -- remember originally the plan was to deport them to Eastern Europe.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 27, 2022 03:12 PM (KZzsI)

"Resettlement to the east" was a euphemism, and they all knew it meant death.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 27, 2022 03:17 PM (s2VJv)

"We're sending them to a farm in the country where they can play with the farm animals" - things you should know are BS when you're past the age of 8

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at May 27, 2022 03:20 PM (llON8)

507 Nood uterus 2 electric boogaloo.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 27, 2022 03:20 PM (b2nrj)

508 I wonder if those cops were talking among themselves and wondering if the perp was a young black aspiring rapper, and who would have to be the first to put a slug in him. Then, the inevitable accusations by the same press accusing them now, followed by the burning, looting and rioting. And after all that, the trials for manslaughter. They probably made the logical call, given the information at the time.

Posted by: Roy at May 27, 2022 03:20 PM (Ti+Tv)

509 As I've been saying, I think the true story is even worse than we already know.

thousand percent chance you're right, Elric

something smells

a lot of somethings

Posted by: Black Orchid at May 27, 2022 03:20 PM (w0NJk)

510 466 0 Another thing to consider (and this is not a defense more an explanation). This is a town of 15k people. What’s the worst crime cops deal with

they're 80 miles from the border controlled by cartels on a major drug and human trafficking pipeline. there's lots of crime there unfortunately

Posted by: brak at May 27, 2022 03:14 PM (j5Tg0)


However, the tactical commander in the building is said to be the Chief of the School District Police, not a Uvalde police office or Uvalde county deputy sheriff. Over the past year or two, how much training and thought did he give to being in command of an active shooter situation in one of his schools? Maybe a lot and he simply froze-up on Tuesday? Or maybe little prior thought about it?

Posted by: Get on it, Wheels! at May 27, 2022 03:20 PM (Meiie)

511 Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 27, 2022 03:20 PM (OalnH)

Don't ever change, man.

Posted by: ... at May 27, 2022 03:20 PM (dscaa)

512 Imagine being a ground pounder in a Foxhole hearing rumors of death camps. How likely are you to believe your beloved homeland would do such a thing?

If your leader is Hitler who has called Jews a mortal threat to your country? And all the Jews disappeared one night? And you or your buddies had to go help an extermination team that one time? And there was a big political fight that got a lot of news right before the war where that same government killed a bunch of disabled people and the Archbishop called them out on it?

And on and on...

Posted by: 18-1 at May 27, 2022 03:21 PM (ESjRY)

513 I see Beto has now stationed himself outside of the NRA convention center holding some sort of rally.

Posted by: redridinghood at May 27, 2022 03:21 PM (NpAcC)

514 Meanwhile the killers mom needs to learn to keep her trap shut. You are NOT helping at all. Dumb ass.

Posted by: Jewells45 at May 27, 2022 03:21 PM (nxdel)

515 Who cares what the weapon was, or who made it? As long as the cops took to get inside, he could have paper cut 20 people to death.

Posted by: Wally at May 27, 2022 03:21 PM (FJYfm)

516 23 "Wouldn't want to harm that door. That could cost a couple hundred dollars to fix!"

Small observation, but 1000:1 odds that the school will be bulldozed because of this trauma (like Columbine IIRC) and millions will have to be spent on a new elementary school.

Look at all the money that was "injected into the economy" - White House muppet Biden (there are so many).
Posted by: Scott_T at May 27, 2022 02:23 PM (2waQ7

Weren't Sandy Hook and the Amish school demo'd after those killings, as well?

Posted by: Fox2! at May 27, 2022 03:21 PM (i9tuZ)

517 ------
more WTFs At GP ....retired federal agent was in regular communication with Buffalo shooter.

Posted by: Haywood
---------------

The Buffalo shooter had a coach and the Buffalo and Uvalde shooters belonged to the same chat thing.

Posted by: Braenyard, still waiting for a good alternative phone at May 27, 2022 03:21 PM (jyW7T)

518 Both my 18 year old Grandsons purchased guns ... Hunting rifles.... Both took Hunters safety as has my 16 year old Grand Daughter and My 13 year old Grandson

Posted by: It's me donna at May 27, 2022 03:22 PM (bs+z0)

519 Why would anyone ask Hogg Boy for advice about anything?

Posted by: Northernlurker, surgite at May 27, 2022 03:22 PM (VdGjU)

520 You'll help round up Jews and believe they are the source of your woes but you'll figure they are being imprisoned or shipped out somewhere else -- like now, the little guy doesn't know all the big guy's plans and actions.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 27, 2022 03:17 PM (KZzsI)
______________

It's important to bear in mind that the extermination of the Jews dates to Wannsee Conference, which occurred in January 1942, i.e., several years into the war.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 27, 2022 03:22 PM (rNyNM)

521 "Resettlement to the east" was a euphemism, and they all knew it meant death.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 27, 2022 03:17 PM (s2VJv)

Sure, but it was something to hang on to to actually avoid contemplating the reality. Like Leftists " believing" that Trump was a racist Nazi who raped women and was a Russian asset. They HAD to hang on to that because they felt it gave them plausible deniability.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 27, 2022 03:22 PM (mR6Gs)

522 Where the fuck is Abbott?

Posted by: Ben Had at May 27, 2022 03:22 PM (erWIt)

523 Meanwhile the killers mom needs to learn to keep her trap shut. You are NOT helping at all. Dumb ass.

What did she say?

Posted by: 18-1 at May 27, 2022 03:22 PM (ESjRY)

524 Also bureaucratic bullshit that breeds hesitation and hang-wringing ---no one wanting to make a decision and take a firm stand.
Posted by: JoeF. at May 27, 2022 02:59 PM (mR6Gs)


Yeah, and "a decision was made", passive voice, could be an additional indicator that nobody in the bureaucracy wants to make decisions and take responsibility for them.

I agree though that bureaucracy, leftist governing (local/state/fed), and the last 10 years of Brown through to Floyd et al have really changed law enforcement's calculus.

Posted by: Your fellow San Franciscans at May 27, 2022 03:22 PM (Yr4Df)

525 >>> I disagree.
The Leftists believe they are the Good Guys With Noble Intentions, acting selflessly for the good of ALL people, especially POC and sex weirdos
Posted by: JoeF. at May 27, 2022 03:14 PM (mR6Gs)


If you ever talked to a leftist, with defenses down, which isn't always pleasant, but it can be done, they will tell you that's all bullshit. They are supporting their team because it's worked out really great so far. They've gotten what they want from the deal and see their side as the big boss getting things they care about done. It allows them to ignore responsibility and be taken care of. All the various pets of the left are there to be controlled. They see the left as this master machine keeping everything happening. They know it's all shit underneath but they'll tell you that if the machine stops it will be a disaster and the shit being covered up will come back up. "So stop trying to mess with it. It's working"

Posted by: banana Dream, now 40% less explicit at May 27, 2022 03:22 PM (QzpS1)

526 Where the fuck is Abbott?

Posted by: Ben Had at May 27, 2022 03:22 PM (erWIt)

Been wondering the same thing. {{{BH}}}

Posted by: ... at May 27, 2022 03:23 PM (dscaa)

527 513 I see Beto has now stationed himself outside of the NRA convention center holding some sort of rally.

Posted by: redridinghood at May 27, 2022 03:21 PM (NpAcC)
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That's good
Beta is an excellent symbol of NRA opposition.

Posted by: Braenyard, still waiting for a good alternative phone at May 27, 2022 03:23 PM (jyW7T)

528 513 I see Beto has now stationed himself outside of the NRA convention center holding some sort of rally.
Posted by: redridinghood at May 27, 2022 03:21 PM (NpAcC)
____________

Betoff needs to hook up with Megan Markle in an epic showdown of the attention whores.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 27, 2022 03:23 PM (rNyNM)

529
"We're sending them to a farm in the country where they can play with the farm animals" - things you should know are BS when you're past the age of 8
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at May 27, 2022 03:20 PM (llON

But it's still a lie you NEED to believe

Posted by: JoeF. at May 27, 2022 03:24 PM (mR6Gs)

530 513 I see Beto has now stationed himself outside of the NRA convention center holding some sort of rally.
Posted by: redridinghood at May 27, 2022 03:21 PM

If anyone's teeth belong shoved down his throat it's hism

Posted by: Northernlurker, surgite at May 27, 2022 03:24 PM (VdGjU)

531 70 miles is kinda far from the border for everyone to call Ubalse a border town no?
Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 27, 2022 03:16 PM (OalnH)

I think "border town" gets used somewhat euphemistically and also because people think it's actually a border town.

Though it is on a route used by wetbacks to get to San Antonio.

Posted by: Robert at May 27, 2022 03:25 PM (1Yy3c)

532 To government employees your kids are not a priority. Their priorities are:
1) I don't get shot
2) I keep my pension
3) I don't get in trouble with the media or any activist groups
Posted by: 18-1 at May 27, 2022 03:02 PM (ESjRY)

I don't really have a problem with that.
Right up to the point where people are being killed as you stand by idly awaiting something, whether that is "resources" or a plan or a command.
These guys are likely not going to be in this situation again in their lives. Probably hadn't been in that situation up until that moment.
This is what the people pay you for. This is why they'll put up with all the down time and bullshit that goes with being full time LEO.
So that when this moment comes, you rise to the occasion and do what has to be done by someone.

They will all have to live with themselves for the rest of their lives. I predict a lot of alcoholism for those present. Maybe a few suicides.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 27, 2022 03:25 PM (MFphb)

533 ore WTFs At GP ....retired federal agent was in regular communication with Buffalo shooter.

Posted by: Haywood
---------------

The Buffalo shooter had a coach and the Buffalo and Uvalde shooters belonged to the same chat thing.

Posted by: Braenyard, still waiting for a good alternative phone at May 27, 2022 03:21 PM (jyW7T)

If true, then my wild-ass theory might be true. I'll wait to see if this pans out.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at May 27, 2022 03:25 PM (Qhnrt)

534 What did she say?

He had his reasons.

No, I'm not kidding.

Posted by: Jewells45 at May 27, 2022 03:25 PM (nxdel)

535 "Resettlement to the east" was a euphemism, and they all knew it meant death.

No, originally they really meant resettlement, until they realized they wanted to take over that land and would have to just move them again. It was pretty early on that this was discussed; by the time they invaded Poland total extermination was the policy.

But they didn't broadcast that on the nightly news. They were still running PR movies about taking people like epileptics and mentally retarded to special places they could get the care they needed.

Frankly by that point I think that most Germans didn't really give a crap what happened to the Jews, but dismissed the death camps etc as enemy propaganda as someone else said above.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 27, 2022 03:25 PM (KZzsI)

536 There were scores of heavily armed law enforcement officers wearing body armor and sunglasses keeping themselves posted outside a building far away from a single active-shooter psychopath inside that building murdering children at will. Those armed government officials knew there were still children hiding in that building. They knew there had to be wounded children in dire need of medical help. They ignored the desperate pleadings of loving parents.

-If this does not dispel the idiot fantasy that government is the solution to society's problems, then nothing will.
We are living in a nightmare of progressive/leftist governance. And it's only going to get worse. Will society wake up?

Posted by: Bach in Black at May 27, 2022 03:25 PM (7ubmG)

537 523 Meanwhile the killers mom needs to learn to keep her trap shut. You are NOT helping at all. Dumb ass.

What did she say?
__________

She said he "wasn't a monster" and probably "had his reasons" for doing what he did.

As if there could ever be any reason that could justify spraying a classroom full of innocent ten-year old kids with gunfire.

And as if anyone but a monster would ever do such a thing.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB at May 27, 2022 03:26 PM (MvHI3)

538 522 Where the fuck is Abbott?

Posted by: Ben Had
----------------

Preparing a very regrettable announcement.

Posted by: Braenyard, still waiting for a good alternative phone at May 27, 2022 03:26 PM (jyW7T)

539 He had his reasons.

No, I'm not kidding.

Posted by: Jewells45 at May 27, 2022 03:25 PM (nxdel)

Proving the rotten apple doesn't fall too far from the barrel.

Posted by: ... at May 27, 2022 03:26 PM (dscaa)

540 On the radio they just reported that it was a teacher that propped open the door because she wanted to see what was going on when the guy crashed his truck. I'm really praying for that person because they must be and hell right now with the thought they left the door unlocked

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at May 27, 2022 03:27 PM (HMvQb)

541 Pork Chops & Bacons, Moron Robbie knows the names.

Posted by: Braenyard, still waiting for a good alternative phone at May 27, 2022 03:28 PM (jyW7T)

542 265 What's the deal with AR-15s? Is there something special about them?
Posted by: N.L. Urker
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My opinion: No, there's nothing special about them. It's easy to learn to shoot an AR relatively well. That was one of the original design considerations, and it's one reason for its popularity now. Another reason is low cost. With AR's you get the benefit of economy of scale due to interchangability of parts and high production volumes. AR's aren't really the BEST rifle for any particular use, but they're pretty good for lots of uses. That's why they've become ubiquitous among private owners.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at May 27, 2022 03:28 PM (sWM8x)

543 'It's important to bear in mind that the extermination of the Jews dates to Wannsee Conference, which occurred in January 1942, i.e., several years into the war.'

Extermination had been ongoing since 1939 at the latest. Wannsee was to put everyone on the same page as to how it would continue to occur.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 27, 2022 03:30 PM (VNGpB)

544 Let's go arguendo, say the guy is just a shitty writer, and allow that the general concept of "sturmgewehr" was developed for 'Nazi' infantry, so the M-16 is a kind of descendant of it. So when you outlaw those, you find that virtually every bolt action in the world is a copy of the Mauser three-extractor action, developed for...German infantry. Knock out bolt actions, and there's the breech-loading needle gun, developed for...Prussian infantry. Not hard to see where they're headed, here. We're going to lever actions and revolvers. And I'm OK with that.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 27, 2022 03:31 PM (videA)

545 What did she say?

He had his reasons.

No, I'm not kidding.
Posted by: Jewells45 at May 27, 2022 03:25 PM (nxdel)


It's the same old "He way bullied!" BS. The Columbine moms tried it. The truth was, their kids were arrogant dicks. Yes, everyone hated them, because they were so deserving of hatred. Several kids in Uvalde have already said what a dick this kid was.

Posted by: Wally at May 27, 2022 03:32 PM (FJYfm)

546 502 I suppose one could argue the AR platform was an remodel and improvement of the STG platform. But one would have to be VERY generous to make that leap.

*I await Anna to correct me...*
Posted by: SturmToddler
----------------------
I am not Anna but I will answer--not in any way, shape, or form. The body of the STG-44 was made from stamped and welded metal, it used a long gas piston, and used materials of its time-steel. The AR design used pins, gas impingement, rotating bolt, and so on. The gas impingement came from the Ljungman Swedish WWII era firearms and was also used by the French MAS battle rifle.

Posted by: whig at May 27, 2022 03:33 PM (Iq9dF)

547 Not really related but I read somewhere not long ago that a great deal of Rommel's amazing successes came from great intel, not great tactics and leadership. So he might be a bit overrated.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 27, 2022 03:34 PM (KZzsI)

548 It's the same old "He way bullied!" BS. The Columbine moms tried it. The truth was, their kids were arrogant dicks. Yes, everyone hated them, because they were so deserving of hatred. Several kids in Uvalde have already said what a dick this kid was.

The bullying thing is a crap excuse and an attempt to deflect from the corrupt society that spawns these scumbags. Almost everyone was bullied in school, but almost nobody turns psychotic and kills people over it. That's on THEM not bullies.

Facing hardship, mean treatment, and pain in life is what helps us grow and learn to deal with difficulty for when we face the real hardships. It sucks be called a dweeb in school. Its awful pain to have your heart broken. But that's like baby steps to deal with things like watching your once-brilliant, talented mother degrade into a drooling child before your eyes, dying by degrees.

Life is very hard and painful and you need to learn to grow up to face these hardships. The continual attempts to prevent kids from facing any difficulty just makes it immensely harder when they inevitably are forced to.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 27, 2022 03:37 PM (KZzsI)

549 The Texas Eunuchs

Posted by: Voter theater. at May 27, 2022 03:38 PM (FCPbW)

550 The French, the Poles and the Russians give up not one step to the Germans when it comes to anti-semitism, pogroms, forced resettlement. Wiping out Jews was not invented in 1942; England did it in 1290. It was an ass-kicking time that we are not able to comprehend -- except for those of us who think it's cute.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 27, 2022 03:43 PM (videA)

551
AR-15's make a lot of fvcking noise. That's my experience to the locals having fun. Whether it's enough noise to scare the police into waiting? IDK.

But they're loud as fvck.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 27, 2022 03:44 PM (dQvv7)

552 “550 The French, the Poles and the Russians give up not one step to the Germans when it comes to anti-semitism, pogroms, forced resettlement. Wiping out Jews was not invented in 1942; England did it in 1290. It was an ass-kicking time that we are not able to comprehend -- except for those of us who think it's cute.”

Yes to be fair however, those groups are not as good as following orders naming names and turning in their neighbors and shooting their friends in the head and then sitting down for dinner with their family

Posted by: Avi at May 27, 2022 03:53 PM (T4qa/)

553 I think there has been a move to feminize or neuter LEOs. And some have succumbed.

Biden just signed another bill to do just that. It creeps me out when I hear a cop say "I just want to help people." When they have their Coffee with Cops meetings with our town, I want to say, fine, but I want you to bust some bad guys' heads too.

Posted by: Ultra pj at May 27, 2022 03:58 PM (G1dq6)

554 I have been saying over and over that teachers are the number one enemy and that their power must be cut back or they will destroy our nation. I know this based on my business experience which is in education, and on my experience as a parent dealing with both public, private, and parochial schools in South Florida. What do I get for warning people? Always a teacher or the husband of a teacher whining about their exemplary wife who is a great teacher yadayada.

I can count with the fingers of one hand the good teachers my sons encountered in over 20 years in the school system.

Homeschool. It is the only solution.

Posted by: Floridachick at May 27, 2022 04:03 PM (/r6m2)

555 “ 553 I think there has been a move to feminize or neuter LEOs. And some have succumbed“

During the George Floyd care I noticed how much bigger and more muscular he was then the four cops. When I was younger the cops were built like Floyd now we have milquetoasts.

Posted by: Avi at May 27, 2022 04:04 PM (T4qa/)

556 No wonder the Germans lost if they took 15 years after the war ended to come up with a rifle....

Posted by: azjaeger at May 27, 2022 04:05 PM (esbAD)

557 "Are you telling me that the billions we spend on education and we don't have this same level of security at schools?"

You are assuming all of those billions are being spent on education.
Let's take some of those billions and train, train, train and then arm the staff. All of them. After psycho analysis.
The crazy shows no sign of stopping.
And remember that when you have only seconds, the police are minutes away. Apparently, many minutes.
What a fuckup this was.

Posted by: boynsea at May 27, 2022 04:07 PM (cx155)

558 Oh and FUCK most teachers.

Posted by: Floridachick at May 27, 2022 04:08 PM (/r6m2)

559 @556 Good one, but it gets better. After the war, anything in Germany that could be interpreted as "armament industry" was shut right down. The Russians even packed up the factories and took them home with them. The entire German arms industry for a generation consisted only of new high-tech air target rifles, and the single-shot smallbore precision oddities.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 27, 2022 04:10 PM (videA)

560 Here is the real question

Federal Marshalls were there. The police and they kept parents out.

Why were the marshalls there and were they under orders to let the FBI plant finish the job?

Yes, that is where I am now.

Posted by: Justin Castraeu at May 27, 2022 04:17 PM (ZW1rs)

561 Why can't I rerun some of these videos without refreshing the page? There seem to be a lot of videos on AoSHQ like that lately.

Posted by: Ralph at May 27, 2022 04:31 PM (Qf//C)

562 "Or was it just all for the early retirement?"

That and the donuts.

Posted by: butch at May 27, 2022 05:12 PM (TH5nF)

563 "when I hear a cop say "I just want to help people.""

Then do it. Help them by protecting them from the people preying on them. Do it, or else people will start doing it themselves, and that's never pretty. That isn't in anyone's best interest.

Don't delude yourself. The police force was created in large part to protect criminals and the unjustly accused from the excesses of vigilante justice. Vigilantes, for their part, agreed to stop vigilantee-ing in exchange for the promise that the cop would do it for them.

Every time a person finds their catalytic converter cut off and the police act like they don't give a shit, you take a step towards the vigilantes taking back up the mantle.

When they won't even protect our children from being brutally murdered, it causes more and more to wonder if we need them at all.

This gon' get ugly, gang.

Posted by: Goober at May 27, 2022 06:07 PM (Hgvgt)

564 Hold them responsible and liable for this not the Gun Maker

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at May 27, 2022 06:13 PM (wGqjj)

565 Re "a bad call"
You only admit to a smaller truth in service of a bigger lie is scumbag 101.

Posted by: Shiggz (cool ranch MAGA) at May 27, 2022 07:13 PM (0SrVS)

566 All Lies. FUCKING LIES

If the police did not have intel on the inside HTF could they have THOUGHT he was barricaded?

You're all fucking FIRED and may god help your spineless GUTLESS souls.

go to hell. ALL OF YOU

Posted by: GetchaPull at May 28, 2022 11:14 AM (aR6C/)

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