Cops Waited 40 Minutes to an Hour To Enter School After Gunman Had Entered;
Loved Ones of Children and Teachers Begged Cops to Go In and Stop Him, to No Avail

No one needs a gun. You got the cops, don't you?

Witnesses said that loved ones and onlookers anxiously waiting outside Robb Elementary School on Tuesday as the gunman was inside shooting teachers and students urged police who were outside the school to go in and try to stop the shooter.

Some also suggested they take it upon themselves to attempt to overpower the gunman.

Texas Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCraw said the gunman could have been in the school for 40 minutes to an hour.


"Go in there! Go in there!" a woman shouted to officers soon after the shooting happened, witness Juan Carranza, 24, said. He lives across the street from the school. "There were more of them. There was just one of him," he said.

But he said the officers stayed outside.

Javier Cazares raced to the school after hearing about the shooting because his daughter went to school there.

He said he suggested a group of civilians "rush in because the cops aren't doing anything like they are supposed to. More could have been done. They were unprepared."

His daughter, Jacklyn Cazares, died in the attack.

Cops aren't there to stop murderers; they're there to fill out some paperwork after the murder.

Content warning for shouted curses and a lot of intense emotion and horror:

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1 sponge

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 26, 2022 12:00 PM (LvTSG)

2 Disgusting.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at May 26, 2022 12:01 PM (N1tpc)

3 One of the awful videos is on Fox now.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2022 12:02 PM (ptqGC)

4 Top. Men.

Posted by: Catherine at May 26, 2022 12:02 PM (ZSsrh)

5 Every one of these cowards, at minimum, should be tarred and feathered and run out of town.

What else should happen would likely (rightly!) get me banned, so I'll stop there.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at May 26, 2022 12:02 PM (N1tpc)

6 I just watched one linked on a Poso thread. I wept.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2022 12:02 PM (ptqGC)

7 So that initial report was true. Motherfuckers.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at May 26, 2022 12:03 PM (wPuAx)

8 Mothers screaming and collapsing on the ground, and cops just standing there.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2022 12:03 PM (ptqGC)

9 Shameful.

Posted by: Squid at May 26, 2022 12:03 PM (xtjw3)

10 JournoList update went out this morning - libs are all now repeating the incorrect "fact" that the AR was invented for the use of the Nazis.

Posted by: Ian S. at May 26, 2022 12:03 PM (1TuZk)

11 Yeah, my daughter is in that school?!? Just try to stop me.

Posted by: Greyman27 at May 26, 2022 12:04 PM (RKLPC)

12 I just can't...

Posted by: It's me donna at May 26, 2022 12:04 PM (bs+z0)

13 I can't wait for my lefty co-workers to blame the NRA for "weak" gun laws!

Posted by: Jimmy The Lurker at May 26, 2022 12:04 PM (ntFf7)

14 11 JournoList update went out this morning - libs are all now repeating the incorrect "fact" that the AR was invented for the use of the Nazis.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 26, 2022 12:03 PM (1TuZk)

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Wasn't Bayer aspirin as well?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 26, 2022 12:04 PM (LvTSG)

15 This is just heartbreaking. God bless those families.

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe 2022! at May 26, 2022 12:04 PM (aeePL)

16 Check the post time ace.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 26, 2022 12:04 PM (b2nrj)

17 All dressed up as a special forces operator and no will to go. FMH.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at May 26, 2022 12:04 PM (QZ/dC)

18 If my kid had been in there, and a cop had stopped me from going in...

(types....deletes...)

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 26, 2022 12:04 PM (bW8dp)

19 WHILE shots were going off? With an active shooter IN THE SCHOOL?

I just don't know how to believe that. There has to be more to it than that. There has to be.

Posted by: Tommy V at May 26, 2022 12:05 PM (GCivW)

20 I want the names of each of these coward cops, I want to see them not only lose their jobs but locked up as accomplices to murder.

I see some on the right claiming "oh, they're worried about being the next Knee Cop" Bullshit. Parkland had the coward cop wetting his pants long before then too.

I'm not backing the blue when the blue is nothing but pussies.

Also: What's the name of the hero Border Patrol agent? That's the name the media needs to be propping up, not the kid butcher.

Posted by: Citizen Freeman at May 26, 2022 12:05 PM (Z5QBe)

21 >The cops literally stopped parents from helping their kids.

Too much typing and deleting for me today.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at May 26, 2022 12:05 PM (wPuAx)

22 And the Dog Eater had to tweet about St. Fentanyl.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2022 12:05 PM (ptqGC)

23 > I can't wait for my lefty co-workers to blame the NRA for "weak" gun laws!

Blow their minds by telling them that the NRA is far too conciliatory.

Which they are.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 26, 2022 12:05 PM (bW8dp)

24 Didn't this happen in Parkland too?

We need to ask if this shooter was on FBI's radar, or maybe they pushed him to do it.

Posted by: MikeN at May 26, 2022 12:05 PM (o/eHL)

25
What agencies or organizations were they? The local cops? The school district's? County sheriffs? And what was the procedure they had for this scenario? They had one, right?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 26, 2022 12:06 PM (/U27+)

26 >Mothers screaming and collapsing on the ground, and cops just standing there.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2022 12:03 PM (ptqGC)

Back the Blue

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at May 26, 2022 12:06 PM (wPuAx)

27 > Too much typing and deleting for me today.

I hear that.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 26, 2022 12:06 PM (bW8dp)

28 Local cops failed, but I'll note the Border Patrol went in and ended the tiny penis dead killer.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 12:06 PM (XvPQV)

29 If this is all true, it is unforgiveable.

Posted by: rustbucket at May 26, 2022 12:06 PM (H2lUc)

30 I made it to 0:45 on that video. Good thing I’m not cynical or I’d be having some unapproved thoughts.

Posted by: Squid at May 26, 2022 12:06 PM (xtjw3)

31 10 months ago, these same cops were gleefully tossing elderly men in the ground and cuffing them for not wearing masks.

"Protect and Serve ... Our Pensions"

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 26, 2022 12:06 PM (iE3VP)

32 Whatever lets them go home safely, right?

Posted by: Dr. T at May 26, 2022 12:07 PM (aQv/P)

33 29 Local cops failed, but I'll note the Border Patrol went in and ended the tiny penis dead killer.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 12:06 PM (XvPQV)

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Did he use his standard issue whip?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 26, 2022 12:07 PM (LvTSG)

34 The cops should be charged with accessory to murder, one count for every person killed, consecutive sentences, no parole

Posted by: Dastardly Dan at May 26, 2022 12:07 PM (W2D0d)

35 But he said the officers stayed outside.
Javier Cazares raced to the school after hearing about the shooting because his daughter went to school there.
He said he suggested a group of civilians "rush in because the cops aren't doing anything like they are supposed to. More could have been done. They were unprepared."
His daughter, Jacklyn Cazares, died in the attack



were that Junior-ette's school, and cops would not let me in, and my baby girl died. cop that stopped me is gonna die too. these worthess pieces of shit LEO cowards need to get the eff out of the way if they refuse to execute their duty.

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (UgAdJ) - at May 26, 2022 12:07 PM (UgAdJ)

36 The first story I heard was the BP officer going in alone as other cops had just set up a perimeter and did nothing. Later I read a Yahoo news report that a team had gone in after him with the BP officer. Glad this is clearing up. News is f’ing worthless.

Posted by: JROD at May 26, 2022 12:07 PM (JAJAP)

37 This is, I don’t even know what this is. I’m speechless. And so fucking angry.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 26, 2022 12:07 PM (foEeQ)

38 Hey, all those cops who decided crowd control was the important thing to do went home safely and will enjoy their taxpayer-funded pensions, which is the important thing.

Posted by: Methos at May 26, 2022 12:07 PM (kOpft)

39 Morning.

"Beto" O'Rourke shows up at yesterdays press conference to stand on a pile of the dead waving his campaign flag while berating the Governor.

"Beto" is like a one man Westboro Baptist Church.

What a fucking disgrace.

Posted by: Robert at May 26, 2022 12:07 PM (1Yy3c)

40 How can those cops live with themselves?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 26, 2022 12:07 PM (JQr//)

41 > Didn't this happen in Parkland too?

Yeah, the local cops refused to go in.

It was some cops from a neighboring town who showed up voluntarily to help who actually went in and stopped it.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 26, 2022 12:07 PM (bW8dp)

42 "I can't wait for my lefty co-workers to blame the NRA for "weak" gun laws!"

So glad the NRA exists to draw all the proglodyte fire while actual gun rights groups fight and win in court. SAF, GOA, FPC, etc. I let my NRA membership lapse for the first time in 20+ years. Every time they call, I tell them they can go fund-raise from Lapierre's bank accounts.

Posted by: Greyman27 at May 26, 2022 12:07 PM (RKLPC)

43 Jesus, that was brutal.....

What a mess.

Posted by: BigWyo at May 26, 2022 12:08 PM (NZbhV)

44 Disband the Uvalde cops and tell the citizens they're on their own.

Posted by: mr tmz at May 26, 2022 12:08 PM (rJ48h)

45 11 JournoList update went out this morning - libs are all now repeating the incorrect "fact" that the AR was invented for the use of the Nazis.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 26, 2022 12:03 PM (1TuZk)

Eugene Stoner hardest hit

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 12:08 PM (XvPQV)

46 It's being reported border patrol agents broke windows and pulled some of the kids out.

Posted by: redridinghood at May 26, 2022 12:08 PM (NpAcC)

47 When someone carves up their own face, it ought to be in their record.

When someone has multiple altercations with their family, such that the police are called, it ought to be in their record.


The governor is correct, we have a mental health problem in the country. We also have a reporting problem in the country, when juvenile records are not part of a background check. The fact that these items are not included means that background checks are meaningless.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 26, 2022 12:08 PM (lTGtQ)

48 Maybe we should defund them after all....

Posted by: PAgirlinNC at May 26, 2022 12:08 PM (bvpHT)

49 The Psycho had tac vest but no plates in it. a civilian could easily mistake it for body armor. guess the school cop did too!!!

Posted by: Good Scott at May 26, 2022 12:08 PM (6XvFg)

50 the cops would much rather manhandle good people than deal with dangerous bad people

back the blue everyone!

cops are now honorary fat-butted bureaucrats, just like teachers and doctors now.

Posted by: Black Orchid at May 26, 2022 12:08 PM (w0NJk)

51 I watched another video where you can hear gunfire and people are yelling at cops to go in and save the kids. I believe it was linked by someone on a Posobiec tweet.

I nearly rage-stroked.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2022 12:09 PM (ptqGC)

52 Don't worry local cops, all you have to do is get your chief or sheriff or whatever to get up on a CNN townhall and bluster about debil guns and ebil gun laws and everyone will forget what a bunch of worthless, lower than whale shit "men" that you are. Problem solved.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at May 26, 2022 12:09 PM (wPuAx)

53 The next time BLM issues one of its "Defund the Police" demands, I think maybe I'ma just sit that one out.

Posted by: Dr. T at May 26, 2022 12:09 PM (aQv/P)

54 Did he use his standard issue whip?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting the system with Kobayashi at May 26, 2022 12:07 PM (LvTSG)

An assault whip with the shoulder thing that goes up.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 12:09 PM (XvPQV)

55

God help me for saying so, but maybe these BLM-sters are on to something with the Defund the Police schtick.

At least not quite the way they mean it, but still . . .

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 26, 2022 12:10 PM (s2VJv)

56 I dunno. Hindsight being 20/20 and all. I know if my kid’s in there I’m losing my mind, but do you want a situation where everyone is taking matters into their own hands? Chaos and friendly fire? I’m not saying they did it correctly I just am thinking that in that situation the last thing the cops want is more targets for the shooter. That being said, exactly how much more tactical training do you really want the cops to have? If and when the shit hits the fan, how well trained fo you want those people to be? I’m all for law and order... until I’m not

Posted by: Cv_Gas at May 26, 2022 12:10 PM (UAf5h)

57 How can those cops live with themselves?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 26, 2022 12:07 PM (JQr//)


I think that was their strategy - To make sure THEY lived. As for those kids inside the school? Yeah, screw them.

Posted by: Wally at May 26, 2022 12:10 PM (FJYfm)

58 I think I have found a group of people that should lose the right to a gun. If those cops are just going to stand outside and direct traffic, they don't need a weapon.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - move forward at May 26, 2022 12:10 PM (5HBd1)

59 Greetings:

If so, crowd control and protection of the crime scene can be conflicting interests. Everyone available clearing a complex building may not be optimal.

That being said, the cavalry used to ride to the sound of the cannons.

Oh, and isn't that first row (so she could be seen ???) SWAT team member just darling.
I'm reminded of "If that's what you got to send, save your gas."

Posted by: 11B40 at May 26, 2022 12:10 PM (uuklp)

60 I read that BP has a large presence there and a lot of kids in that school are The kids of BP agents. So it makes sense that they would be the ones saying duck this shit let’s go.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 26, 2022 12:10 PM (foEeQ)

61 Cops are here to arrest parents who don't like school boards.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 26, 2022 12:10 PM (p+1gI)

62 JournoList update went out this morning - libs are all now repeating the incorrect "fact" that the AR was invented for the use of the Nazis.
Posted by: Ian S.

The Tiger tank is just an AR-15 on treads.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 26, 2022 12:10 PM (FVME7)

63 Saw a comment earlier that is resonating with me today - if the common understanding of law enforcement and its relation to the society it serves is wrong or past its sell by date - it needs to change. If police have no duty to respond to any situation that involves a threat to their safety, they are no longer the keepers of the law.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at May 26, 2022 12:10 PM (QZ/dC)

64 Anyway...gun up, carry everywhere, train.

This is literally going to get worse before it gets better.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 12:10 PM (XvPQV)

65 But all the cops got to go home that night, right?

Posted by: Bete at May 26, 2022 12:10 PM (uiT+8)

66 Is it possible that there was a team inside while this was happening?

I just don't know how to process this without some explanation.

Posted by: Tommy V at May 26, 2022 12:11 PM (GCivW)

67 The Border patrol agent(s) who did rush in are heroes.

These "cops" need to be prosecuted.

Posted by: Ultra MAGA Venus at May 26, 2022 12:11 PM (YVBLw)

68 I read a link at Fox about a little nine y.o. boy who hid with a couple of other students under a table with a tablecloth.

The killer walked in and said, "Time to die."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2022 12:11 PM (ptqGC)

69 19
I'll finish for you.
One of these 2.
1) Me unconscious or dead
2) thanks for the free gun, officer.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 26, 2022 12:11 PM (VNGpB)

70 I carry a 9 mm as cops weigh too much and need to stop for donuts.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 26, 2022 12:11 PM (yrol0)

71 44 Disband the Uvalde cops and tell the citizens they're on their own.
Posted by: mr tmz at May 26, 2022 12:08 PM (rJ48h)


We've secretly replaced the Uvalde Police Dept. with the Broward County Police Dept. Let's see if they notice the difference . . .


Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 26, 2022 12:11 PM (s2VJv)

72 Don't let it disappear:

If the guns were bought with Sally's grandmother's credit card, they WEREN'T legally purchased.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 26, 2022 12:11 PM (PVm6k)

73 What a swarm of cowards.

I used to really respect law enforcement. Now, I despise the FBI and am starting to despise all law enforcement.

Posted by: Mehive at May 26, 2022 12:11 PM (ky+MF)

74 22 And the Dog Eater had to tweet about St. Fentanyl.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2022 12:05 PM (ptqGC)

---------------
He's doing what he does best, uniting us.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at May 26, 2022 12:12 PM (TNyrE)

75 56 I dunno. Hindsight being 20/20 and all. I know if my kid’s in there I’m losing my mind, but do you want a situation where everyone is taking matters into their own hands? Chaos and friendly fire? I’m not saying they did it correctly I just am thinking that in that situation the last thing the cops want is more targets for the shooter. That being said, exactly how much more tactical training do you really want the cops to have? If and when the shit hits the fan, how well trained fo you want those people to be? I’m all for law and order... until I’m not
Posted by: Cv_Gas at May 26, 2022 12:10 PM (UAf5h)

I think in this situation anyone acting is better than treating it like a bank robber holed up somewhere. In all likelihood, these guys only know that one protocol and so in a tense and uncertain situation are defaulting to it. Moreover whoever is directing them didn't adjust at all.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 26, 2022 12:12 PM (b2nrj)

76 But all the cops got to go home that night, right?
Posted by: Bete at May 26, 2022 12:10 PM (uiT+

That's what's really important.

Seems to me, if we've learned anything over these past few years, what we really need in this country is common sense cop control laws.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 26, 2022 12:12 PM (47mFt)

77 We're tanned, rested, and ready.

Posted by: Meal Team Six at May 26, 2022 12:12 PM (a3Q+t)

78 I read a link at Fox about a little nine y.o. boy who hid with a couple of other students under a table with a tablecloth.

The killer walked in and said, "Time to die."

*

That's apparently part of the f*ck up cops story, too.

They enter after 40 minutes to "save" the kids and call out "who needs help?" and the little kids who responded got tracked down and shot.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 26, 2022 12:12 PM (PVm6k)

79 God help me for saying so, but maybe these BLM-sters are on to something with the Defund the Police schtick.

At least not quite the way they mean it, but still . . .
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 26, 2022 12:10 PM (s2VJv)

If reading Wyatt's webzone has done anything, it is to remind me that the cops will not be coming to save you.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 12:12 PM (XvPQV)

80 I know it's easy to comment afterwards about how we would all run in there and be brave and all.

But this is one of those times were any parent standing outside their kids school during an active shooting would absolutely want to get in there and defend their kid. The cops standing around "securing the scene" stuff is complete bullshit.

And those teachers who tried to shield the kids taking bullets for them are absolute heroes. I just wished they had been armed.

Posted by: portlandon at May 26, 2022 12:12 PM (+oR7L)

81 I think we are going to hear that these cops have a (bad) procedure that they have to follow for situations like this and they were afraid of getting in trouble if they didn't follow it.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 26, 2022 12:13 PM (VNGpB)

82 Beyond horrific. Makes me wonder the true goal of law enforcement and the FBI that day. Higher body counts = more distraction from what's going on in this country.

And FO, Bob from NSA. Traitorous scum.

Posted by: BarcelonaCarmen at May 26, 2022 12:13 PM (CCcN5)

83 the AR was invented for the use of the Nazis.

Did a nEwSy hear about the STG 44? grandpappy of "assault weapons"?

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at May 26, 2022 12:13 PM (0mUYx)

84
Ace should post a pic of The Bucket-O-Rocks with this post.

Remember the Bucket Of Rocks?
They proposed all classrooms be "armed" with a "bucket of rocks" to throw at shooters.

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 name in news at May 26, 2022 12:13 PM (goeJb)

85 God help me for saying so, but maybe these BLM-sters are on to something with the Defund the Police schtick.

At least not quite the way they mean it, but still . . .
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 26, 2022 12:10 PM (s2VJv)


In the last couple years, cops have shown themselves to be very adept at taking down law abiding people, like the J6 people and people who think masks are a stupid idea. But genuinely bad people? No.

If you know the person won't shoot back, the cops are great. Otherwise, you're on your own.

Posted by: Wally at May 26, 2022 12:13 PM (FJYfm)

86 79 God help me for saying so, but maybe these BLM-sters are on to something with the Defund the Police schtick.

At least not quite the way they mean it, but still . . .
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 26, 2022 12:10 PM (s2VJv)

If reading Wyatt's webzone has done anything, it is to remind me that the cops will not be coming to save you.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 12:12 PM (XvPQV)


Ashi Babbitt and Roseanne Boyland would agree.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 26, 2022 12:13 PM (s2VJv)

87 I don't know if I could have done it, but I hope if I was a father there I would have punched one of those cops and taken his gun and went inside.

Posted by: Dave at May 26, 2022 12:13 PM (mXUCw)

88 OMFG I just watched that video. Beyond fucking rage, you motherfucking pieces of shit. Horrifying. Please God help those parents find peace.

Posted by: JROD at May 26, 2022 12:13 PM (JAJAP)

89 These same assholes are all to willing to enforce masking rule though .... fuckers all.

Posted by: Haywood at May 26, 2022 12:13 PM (cXo0r)

90 I'm probably going to wait on this because if they thought they had a hostage situation going on they're not going to let anyone go rampaging in there.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 26, 2022 12:13 PM (QRdjz)

91 I think that was their strategy - To make sure THEY lived. As for those kids inside the school? Yeah, screw them.
Posted by: Wally at May 26, 2022 12:10 PM (FJYfm)

One report is that one of the Deputy's daughter died in the school.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 26, 2022 12:13 PM (oHd/0)

92 I dunno. Hindsight being 20/20 and all. I know if my kid’s in there I’m losing my mind, but do you want a situation where everyone is taking matters into their own hands?

*

No. What I want is the cops with the ARs to be pointing them in the direction of the bad guy, and maybe four or five of the dozen that are hanging out tasing parents to be figuring out how to climb their fat asses in a window to try and save those kids lives.

And if they won't do it, hand the rifle to a dad who will.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 26, 2022 12:13 PM (PVm6k)

93
post a pic of the Bucket Of Rocks next to a Bucket Of Cops

fucking useless, both of them

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 name in news at May 26, 2022 12:14 PM (goeJb)

94 July 2020:

Senators Chris Murphy (CT) and Elizabeth Warren (MA), along with Representatives Ayanna Pressley (MA) and Ilhan Omar (MN), introduced the Counseling Not Criminalization in Schools Act that would prohibit federal money to be used to fund police in schools. The lawmakers said this would prevent money from being diverted from important student service providers, like counselors and social workers.

Seems to be only 2 people on my FOAD list today.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 26, 2022 12:14 PM (yrol0)

95 Only the cops should have guns, but then cops do nonsense like this. Hmmm...sounds like an impossible argument here.

OT, but is Kevin Spacey going to pull out the "I'm going to live out my life as a gay man" card here now?

https://tinyurl.com/2p88578b

Posted by: Thrawn at May 26, 2022 12:14 PM (Rl7KJ)

96 84
Ace should post a pic of The Bucket-O-Rocks with this post.

Remember the Bucket Of Rocks?
They proposed all classrooms be "armed" with a "bucket of rocks" to throw at shooters.

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 name in news at May 26, 2022 12:13 PM (goeJb)


IIRC, it was canned food items.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 26, 2022 12:14 PM (s2VJv)

97 Every time your place your trust in one of ours, we have carried out another successful deception. Stan rewards us for that.

Posted by: Deep State at May 26, 2022 12:14 PM (LPX/3)

98 Charles Whitman - Texas Tower shootings.

It's interesting that online sites seem to have left this out. But citizens brought their rifles and started firing back. They kept him busy enough that a cop and citizen could go up in the tower and shoot Whitman. The locals on the ground didn't hurt any bystanders.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - move forward at May 26, 2022 12:14 PM (5HBd1)

99 I dunno. Hindsight being 20/20 and all. I know if my kid’s in there I’m losing my mind, but do you want a situation where everyone is taking matters into their own hands? Chaos and friendly fire?


Versus standing outside and listening to my grandchildren be slaughtered?

Yeah. I'll take that chance.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at May 26, 2022 12:14 PM (oEoZw)

100 @87 Dave-I would be dead or in jail. F’ing cowards.

Posted by: JROD at May 26, 2022 12:14 PM (JAJAP)

101 It's surprising that it ended up being Border Control officer who took down this piece of shit. Does Border Control even have authority or jurisdiction in this matter? I realize they were asked to assist, but that should raise some questions about local authorities.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 26, 2022 12:15 PM (BP3/z)

102 @56 - They created that situation by chasing him into the classroom then not finishing the job, didn't they? Had they gone in guns blazing, yes it's possible some of the students might have been killed but not all of them like what ended up happening. Instead they stand around "coming up with a plan" while kids were being murdered.

I'm sure that "oh, we just didn't want more people to get hurt" is the excuse they'll use to sleep at night but I don't give a fuck. These cops need to pay a hefty price for their cowardice.

Posted by: Citizen Freeman at May 26, 2022 12:15 PM (Z5QBe)

103 10 JournoList update went out this morning - libs are all now repeating the incorrect "fact" that the AR was invented for the use of the Nazis.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 26, 2022 12:03 PM (1TuZk)

Nazis invented Methadone. Time to shut that down.

Posted by: Bete at May 26, 2022 12:15 PM (uiT+8)

104 I'd venture that most police nowadays are primarily concerned with their pension. If their actions could put their pension at risk, they will not act.

Posted by: BuckIV at May 26, 2022 12:15 PM (CLfqv)

105 IIRC, it was canned food items.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 26, 2022 12:14 PM (s2VJv)

I saw a frat bro knocked out cold by a can of peaches during a panty raid.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 26, 2022 12:15 PM (yrol0)

106 I read that these ass wipes held an active shooter drill there in March, see if I can find it.

Posted by: WeBoned! at May 26, 2022 12:15 PM (8k7U7)

107 When seconds count the police are mere multiple minutes away.

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at May 26, 2022 12:15 PM (flINI)

108 101 It's surprising that it ended up being Border Control officer who took down this piece of shit. Does Border Control even have authority or jurisdiction in this matter? I realize they were asked to assist, but that should raise some questions about local authorities.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 26, 2022 12:15 PM (BP3/z)

They were on a investigation mission to stash houses (people and drugs) and he must have heard the popo chatter.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 26, 2022 12:16 PM (yrol0)

109
Boy Scouts. Hand-and-eggers. Top men and women. 99% of law enforcement. Great Americans. Ninja workout. Roofing. Florida-Georgia Line.

Posted by: You've been HANNITIZED! at May 26, 2022 12:16 PM (FIJ+3)

110 Versus standing outside and listening to my grandchildren be slaughtered?

Yeah. I'll take that chance.
Posted by: rickb223

*

I'm not convinced I wouldn't have been in by truck crashing through the front doors.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 26, 2022 12:16 PM (PVm6k)

111 Saw a comment earlier that is resonating with me today - if the common understanding of law enforcement and its relation to the society it serves is wrong or past its sell by date - it needs to change. If police have no duty to respond to any situation that involves a threat to their safety, they are no longer the keepers of the law.
Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at May 26, 2022 12:10 PM (QZ/dC)

Part of the anarchist argument is that, if you didn't have cops, you would have concerned citizens deciding for themselves, how and when to defend their persons and property.

In that video above, there were several burly and able bodied men who were ready to go in to the building. They weren't asking why, they weren't concerned about what happened to them if they confronted the shooter, their KIDS were in there dying, and the cops... the cops were holding them back.

To hell with that.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 26, 2022 12:16 PM (47mFt)

112 OT, but is Kevin Spacey going to pull out the "I'm going to live out my life as a gay man" card here now?
___

Who cares?

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at May 26, 2022 12:16 PM (NhLwH)

113 Ed Markey: “We have to take very seriously the threat, which an illegitimate, far-Right Supreme Court poses to gun safety in our country. We have to expand the Supreme Court to get back the two stolen seats that the Republicans and Donald Trump took from the American people, so that we can ensure that when we put gun safety laws on the books, they are not overridden by the Supreme Court of the United States.”

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 26, 2022 12:16 PM (UuD2k)

114 Forida Redux. Just sit and wait as kids get massacred.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 26, 2022 12:16 PM (ynpvh)

115 71 44 Disband the Uvalde cops and tell the citizens they're on their own.
Posted by: mr tmz at May 26, 2022 12:08 PM (rJ48h)

We've secretly replaced the Uvalde Police Dept. with the Broward County Police Dept. Let's see if they notice the difference . . .

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 26, 2022 12:11 PM (s2VJv)

The school district had its own police force too!! They had 4 officers. For a town of 16,000. Where were these clowns?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 26, 2022 12:16 PM (N39Ws)

116 I'm probably going to wait on this because if they thought they had a hostage situation going on they're not going to let anyone go rampaging in there.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis


Hearing gunshots negates any aspect of a hostage situation.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at May 26, 2022 12:16 PM (oEoZw)

117 Here's an idea: Why not have some of the parents secure the perimeter? Let them keep the other parents back. Have the folks with the guns go in to take down the shooter. That's why they have guns.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - move forward at May 26, 2022 12:17 PM (5HBd1)

118 I used to think armed teachers would help, but I'm not so sure anymore, because:

Most teachers now seem to be crazy and stupid.

Teachers face classroom thug violence every day. If I was an armed teacher who had to break up a melee of student thugs bigger and stronger than me, I'd be really tempted to shoot them, which would probably be subsequently judged 'inappropriate.'

Teachers would likely have poor weapon-retention skills. Wouldn't be long before a thug grabbed a teacher's gun out of its holster and started shooting. The gun-grabbers will have a field day with that.

Posted by: Misdismal gp at May 26, 2022 12:17 PM (qpX6U)

119 The Border Patrol guy had all the jurisdiction he needed - his courage and his capability.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at May 26, 2022 12:17 PM (QZ/dC)

120 Columbine this happened..

One thing IMOa squad of Marines quite possible would dive right in, but you have police or other LI and it's not quite the same.

Posted by: Skip's phone at May 26, 2022 12:17 PM (fvqsI)

121 It's surprising that it ended up being Border Control officer who took down this piece of shit. Does Border Control even have authority or jurisdiction in this matter? I realize they were asked to assist, but that should raise some questions about local authorities.

*

I've got $500 that says he was able to do what he did BECAUSE he didn't have a boss there to tell him not to.

I bet he only saw the women and children. You know. A man.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 26, 2022 12:17 PM (C23gB)

122 101 It's surprising that it ended up being Border Control officer who took down this piece of shit. Does Border Control even have authority or jurisdiction in this matter? I realize they were asked to assist, but that should raise some questions about local authorities.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 26, 2022 12:15 PM (BP3/z)

Border Control has a lot more encounters with violent situations these days. It would seem to me to be in line with the cops who primarily deal with the gangs.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 26, 2022 12:17 PM (b2nrj)

123
Remember 9/11 when cops and firemen rushed INTO the burning building?

Today, they wait outside until the coast is clear.

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 name in news at May 26, 2022 12:18 PM (goeJb)

124 Matt Whitlock@mattdizwhitlock
Ed Markey uses the Texas shooting to.. attack the Supreme Court and push for court packing.
If you're one of the people who wants Washington to "do something," on gun violence look at people like Ed Markey who want to shift the debate to every other political goal they have.
. . . .
"We have to take very seriously the threat, which an illegitimate, far-Right Supreme Court poses to gun safety in our country. We have to expand the Supreme Court to get back the two stolen seats that the Republicans and Donald Trump took from the American people, so that we can ensure that when we put gun safety laws on the books, they are not overridden by the Supreme Court of the United States."

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 26, 2022 12:18 PM (FVME7)

125 101 It's surprising that it ended up being Border Control officer who took down this piece of shit. Does Border Control even have authority or jurisdiction in this matter? I realize they were asked to assist, but that should raise some questions about local authorities.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 26, 2022 12:15 PM (BP3/z)

Bet Biden Admin eventually fires him for 'exceeding his authohity!'

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 26, 2022 12:18 PM (oHd/0)

126 I'm sorry, but if you're hearing shots and screams from inside the school already, there's no worry about a "hostage situation." Again, another cop out for cowards. Odd that the Border Patrol agents who actually did something about it didn't feel that way, don't you think?

Posted by: Citizen Freeman at May 26, 2022 12:18 PM (Z5QBe)

127 I saw a frat bro knocked out cold by a can of peaches during a panty raid.
Posted by: rhennigantx


Cling peaches. In heavy syrup.
--Edith Bunker

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at May 26, 2022 12:18 PM (oEoZw)

128 There were 5 kids in the classroom where the shooting was happening who apparently hid under a table that had a long tablecloth over it. One of those kids who hid said that he heard a cop call out that if anybody needed help, they should yell. The boy said he heard a girl in another part of the room then yell "help" in response to the cop's instructions, and the gunman walked over to her and shot her dead.

If this story is true, these cops were worse than useless.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB at May 26, 2022 12:18 PM (MvHI3)

129
If you give the teachers guns, they'll just "groom" your kids at gunpoint.

Give the kids the fuckin' guns.

Posted by: @TheRealWilliamHayes at May 26, 2022 12:18 PM (FIJ+3)

130 I live in a little Texas town about the size of Uvalde one block from the grade school I attended. I cannot imagine being right there and not only doing nothing but stopping other people from doing something.

Posted by: huerfano at May 26, 2022 12:18 PM (MzKgG)

131 WHO'S LAUGHING NOW, BITCHES?!!!

- That Broward County motherf*cker

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 26, 2022 12:18 PM (C23gB)

132
BP has jurisdiction up to 100 miles from any border

Posted by: Yo! Ultra Ultra MAGA at May 26, 2022 12:18 PM (lOvbH)

133 nothing to see here

Just cops holding down a man that was running into the school to save his kids

https://tinyurl.com/ypwcxw8p

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 26, 2022 12:18 PM (yrol0)

134 But remember to always "Back The Blue".

Posted by: PacosMojo at May 26, 2022 12:19 PM (m4rwB)

135 If I was an armed teacher who had to break up a melee of student thugs bigger and stronger than me, I'd be really tempted to shoot them, which would probably be subsequently judged 'inappropriate.'

Not quite. It would immediately be judged racist.

Posted by: President Toonces at May 26, 2022 12:19 PM (ZsR3z)

136 115 71 44 Disband the Uvalde cops and tell the citizens they're on their own.
Posted by: mr tmz at May 26, 2022 12:08 PM (rJ48h)

We've secretly replaced the Uvalde Police Dept. with the Broward County Police Dept. Let's see if they notice the difference . . .

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 26, 2022 12:11 PM (s2VJv)

The school district had its own police force too!! They had 4 officers. For a town of 16,000. Where were these clowns?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 26, 2022 12:16 PM (N39Ws)

Israel has very few school shootings desipite the high level of terroristic activity. Why? Armed guards at schools. a "Gun Free" zone has NEVER stopped a shooting from happening, it's only encouraged it.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 26, 2022 12:19 PM (ynpvh)

137 Who do the cops have on the ground?..in front of the car?

Posted by: BignJames at May 26, 2022 12:19 PM (AwYPR)

138 OT: I've heard by email from the animal shelter about 3 hours away with the little fluffy black kitten up for adoption. They are open on Saturdays. They want the contact info for the vet I use as a reference; have you ever heard of such a thing? The vet will give me a good notice, I'm sure, but isn't that overdoing things?

I'll need to ask if they insist on the face diaper nonsense still.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 26, 2022 12:19 PM (txdEq)

139 And I'm find assuming that a border town has at least one illegal alien attending the school, so the border patrol officer had jurisdiction.

See also: game wardens

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 26, 2022 12:19 PM (C23gB)

140 Active shooter drill in March with students pretending to be dead in Uvalde.

https://tinyurl.com/bdhzkzhk

Posted by: WeBoned! at May 26, 2022 12:20 PM (8k7U7)

141 The things I am hearing about this attack regarding the shooters know behavior SRO and police is beyond belief. It is so bad I have to withhold judgement to see if it pans out to be trues. This is bad. And fuck anybody that wants to take our guns.

Posted by: Ripley at May 26, 2022 12:20 PM (MxEKc)

142 Wow, Ray Liotta dead at 67 and Kevin Spacey charged with sexually assaulting 3 men in the UK.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 26, 2022 12:20 PM (g+JZp)

143 And what do you wanna bet that those asshole cops get some kind of award out of this?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 26, 2022 12:20 PM (JQr//)

144 98
Yes. This is exactly what I thought of earlier too.
Fire at the bastard and keep them busy until someone else can finish the game.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 26, 2022 12:20 PM (VNGpB)

145 120 Columbine this happened..

One thing IMOa squad of Marines quite possible would dive right in, but you have police or other LI and it's not quite the same.

Posted by: Skip's phone at May 26, 2022 12:17 PM (fvqsI)

If you're not gonna help, get the FUCK out of the way. If it was my kid, I'd be like, "Then shoot me you assholes; I'm not afraid to go in and die if need be".

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 26, 2022 12:20 PM (ynpvh)

146 Teachers would likely have poor weapon-retention skills. Wouldn't be long before a thug grabbed a teacher's gun out of its holster and started shooting. The gun-grabbers will have a field day with that.
Posted by: Misdismal gp at May 26, 2022 12:17 PM (qpX6U)

That occurred to me - if all teachers are armed, it won't take a minute for some idiot to grab teacher's gun and start shooting. Not to mention that half of them won't like carrying it and will end up leaving it in an unlocked desk drawer.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 26, 2022 12:20 PM (trdmm)

147
And what do you wanna bet that those asshole cops get some kind of award out of this?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 26, 2022 12:20 PM (JQr//)

Retraining, and free ham and eggs for life.

Posted by: @TheRealWilliamHayes at May 26, 2022 12:20 PM (FIJ+3)

148 Who do the cops have on the ground?..in front of the car?
Posted by: BignJames


Probably a parent.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at May 26, 2022 12:21 PM (oEoZw)

149 142 Wow, Ray Liotta dead at 67 and Kevin Spacey charged with sexually assaulting 3 men in the UK.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 26, 2022 12:20 PM (g+JZp)

Ray Liotta wasn't one of them, was he?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 26, 2022 12:21 PM (ynpvh)

150 Uvalde is a small town. I hope the residents run all of these cowards that abetted this right out of there

Posted by: keena at May 26, 2022 12:21 PM (RiTnx)

151 OT: I've heard by email from the animal shelter about 3 hours away with the little fluffy black kitten up for adoption. They are open on Saturdays. They want the contact info for the vet I use as a reference; have you ever heard of such a thing? The vet will give me a good notice, I'm sure, but isn't that overdoing things?

I'll need to ask if they insist on the face diaper nonsense still.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

*

That's common now. People have the dumbass idea that pets are people, and society is getting to where they want to treat them as such.

I love my dogs and they're family, but they're still dogs. I'll put one down at the drop of a hat if it bites my real children.

"Furbaby" my ass. It's a dog or cat.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 26, 2022 12:21 PM (C23gB)

152 120 Columbine this happened..

One thing IMOa squad of Marines quite possible would dive right in, but you have police or other LI and it's not quite the same.
Posted by: Skip's phone at May 26, 2022 12:17 PM (fvqsI)

My old Boarding Team would have gone in...

But I'd wager our Boarding Officer would have been Mentally locked up... and not given us the go ahead. He would have called back to the ship, where the CO would then have to call 'higher authority'...

And that's the military.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 26, 2022 12:21 PM (oHd/0)

153 137 Who do the cops have on the ground?..in front of the car?
Posted by: BignJames at May 26, 2022 12:19 PM (AwYPR

I believe one of the mothers collapsed. God bless the poor thing.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 26, 2022 12:21 PM (ptqGC)

154 Good thing police departments get all that military equipment for situations like this.

I hope those cops meet with some untimely accidents.

Posted by: Beartooth at May 26, 2022 12:21 PM (NQrvS)

155 WTF. Texas?

Posted by: creeper at May 26, 2022 12:22 PM (cTCuP)

156 The guy they are holding down is one of the dads who wanted to actually do something to save the children.

Posted by: huerfano at May 26, 2022 12:22 PM (MzKgG)

157 Not all teachers should be armed. Same as polite society. If you want to carry concealed you can. The end.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 26, 2022 12:22 PM (C23gB)

158 Cops Waited 40 Minutes to an Hour...

Go in during our break?! You must be a union-breaker.

Posted by: The Spirit of Broward Country at May 26, 2022 12:22 PM (kPbVu)

159 This is so tragic, and disgusting.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at May 26, 2022 12:22 PM (jTmQV)

160 > I think we are going to hear that these cops have a (bad) procedure that they have to follow for situations like this and they were afraid of getting in trouble if they didn't follow it.


Story of my life

Posted by: derek chauvin at May 26, 2022 12:22 PM (rJ48h)

161 The "rash decision" I'm considering is letting Pooky have a gun solely for his volunteer work at school. (He's also previously considered helping them improve their active shooter drill.)

Yes, the school is locked during the day and it's small enough to be responsive to threats both before and during a crisis, but these days, can you really be too careful?

Posted by: pookysgirl, debating about arming her Papa Bear at May 26, 2022 12:22 PM (XKZwp)

162
I hope those cops meet with some untimely accidents.
Posted by: Beartooth at May 26, 2022 12:21 PM (NQrvS)

If Javier told me he was planning to gun down one of these cops, I wouldn't say a fucking thing.

Posted by: @TheRealWilliamHayes at May 26, 2022 12:23 PM (FIJ+3)

163 >>>>Cops aren't there to stop murderers; they're there to fill out some paperwork after the murder.


and to retire at 55 with full pension.

Posted by: Mark1971 at May 26, 2022 12:23 PM (xPl2J)

164 That's common now. People have the dumbass idea that pets are people, and society is getting to where they want to treat them as such.


Who would win an IQ contest, Biden or a border collie?

Posted by: Archimedes at May 26, 2022 12:23 PM (ZsR3z)

165 nothing to see here

Just cops holding down a man that was running into the school to save his kids

https://tinyurl.com/ypwcxw8p

*

Jeez, and the guy who is heard saying "Let's rush 'em because the cops won't" is one of the parents who lost a child.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 26, 2022 12:23 PM (C23gB)

166 BP has jurisdiction up to 100 miles from any border

Posted by: Yo! Ultra Ultra MAGA at May 26, 2022 12:18 PM (lOvbH)

---------------
Democrat sponsored legislation introduced in Congress to change this in 3..2..1..

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at May 26, 2022 12:23 PM (TNyrE)

167 140 Active shooter drill in March with students pretending to be dead in Uvalde.

https://tinyurl.com/bdhzkzhk
Posted by: WeBoned! at May 26, 2022 12:20 PM (8k7U7)

Jesus. One of the cops who led that drill was married to one of the teachers that died.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 26, 2022 12:23 PM (JEPbH)

168 Wow, Ray Liotta dead at 67

Posted by: Dr Spank


FML.
R.I.P. Ray. Thanks for the movies.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at May 26, 2022 12:23 PM (oEoZw)

169 The cops #1 priority is that pension!

Posted by: Teddy at May 26, 2022 12:24 PM (gHboz)

170 My understanding was after sandy hook shooting and the parkland one in Florida everyone who shows up enters the building without waiting for anything or anyone.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at May 26, 2022 12:24 PM (bVYXr)

171 136 Israel and school shootings. I saw a picture, cute in a way, of an Israeli teacher, pretty girl, watching over her little flock of munchkins. She had an M1 carbine slung over her shoulder.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 26, 2022 12:24 PM (lz5hY)

172
You know what's really sick?
I suspect these cops and their enablers will be telling us the number of "lives saved" by not rushing in and spooking the gunner.

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 name in news at May 26, 2022 12:24 PM (goeJb)

173
Wow, Ray Liotta dead at 67 and Kevin Spacey charged with sexually assaulting 3 men in the UK.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 26, 2022 12:20 PM


two more grim milestones for the biden administration

Posted by: AltonJackson at May 26, 2022 12:24 PM (ENBF0)

174 BP has jurisdiction up to 100 miles from any border

*

And all of North Carolina.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 26, 2022 12:24 PM (C23gB)

175 164 That's common now. People have the dumbass idea that pets are people, and society is getting to where they want to treat them as such.


Who would win an IQ contest, Biden or a border collie?

Posted by: Archimedes at May 26, 2022 12:23 PM (ZsR3z)

If the border collie is not a turd eater, the border collie.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 26, 2022 12:24 PM (ynpvh)

176 This is how "conspiracy theories" start about how the FBI and the government are planning these to help ban guns.

Posted by: InCali at May 26, 2022 12:25 PM (eFvmN)

177 So Ed Markey is questioning the 2016 election?

Posted by: Notsothoreau - move forward at May 26, 2022 12:25 PM (5HBd1)

178 Damn Ray Liotta died too?

Looks like it happened in his sleep? I wonder if it was his heart.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 12:25 PM (XvPQV)

179 I'm surprised at how rough Ray Liotta looks in recent pictures - his face went to hell fast. So he died "in his sleep" in the Dominican Republic; sounds like another Bob Saget case.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 26, 2022 12:25 PM (trdmm)

180 Biden Says the Second Amendment Is "Not Absolute"

-
And the first amendment? Fuggitaboutit!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 26, 2022 12:25 PM (FVME7)

181 yeah and ifthe cops rushed in and it went south, the cops woulda been blamed for that

when you sign up as a cop, you sign up to get fucked

same as a whore

Posted by: REDACTED at May 26, 2022 12:25 PM (us2H3)

182 We definitely need to stop with the idea that your average police officer is a "hero"

Just like teachers, they are union members first...

Posted by: Jay in PA at May 26, 2022 12:25 PM (i7Q7S)

183 "Not to mention that half of them won't like carrying it and will end up leaving it in an unlocked desk drawer."

State Farm should offer guns and training for teachers, to make up for their grooming efforts. But there would need to be good lock boxes in the closet, so as soon as there was an alert, the teacher could get to it, maybe even put on a vest with a thick plate.

Posted by: illiniwek at May 26, 2022 12:25 PM (Cus5s)

184
Good thing police departments get all that military equipment for situations like this.

It's meant to be used on peaceful unarmed civilians.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 26, 2022 12:25 PM (/U27+)

185
"....we were waiting for the supervisor on call, and they didn't get a hold of him because he was getting a load of bark dust for his yard."

Posted by: Uvalde SWAT Lt. at May 26, 2022 12:26 PM (+oR7L)

186 I dunno. Hindsight being 20/20 and all. I know if my kid’s in there I’m losing my mind, but do you want a situation where everyone is taking matters into their own hands? Chaos and friendly fire?


Versus standing outside and listening to my grandchildren be slaughtered?

Yeah. I'll take that chance.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at May 26, 2022 12:14 PM

Same. Fuck this 40 minutes of trying to figure out who is going to breech, post etc. Get the fuck in there. They knew it was one kid. Even if they didn't yea, let's worry more about pinning a parent to the ground. Cocksuckers.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 26, 2022 12:26 PM (GwxCX)

187 That article says cops engaged with him (Ramos) as he exited his truck after wrecking it.

How he got from his car into the school really need to be explained.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 26, 2022 12:26 PM (UuD2k)

188 Who would win an IQ contest, Biden or a border collie?

Posted by: Archimedes at May 26, 2022 12:23 PM (ZsR3z)

If the border collie is not a turd eater, the border collie.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 26, 2022 12:24 PM (ynpvh)

I know someone with an Iguana, and the Iguana is smarter than Biden.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 26, 2022 12:26 PM (trdmm)

189 180 Biden Says the Second Amendment Is "Not Absolute"

-
And the first amendment? Fuggitaboutit!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 26, 2022 12:25 PM (FVME7)

And Government power is supposed to be limited to what the Constitution grants it, and the 2nd amendment is also there if the Goverment doesn't abide. The Gov't just doesn't like competition.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 26, 2022 12:27 PM (ynpvh)

190 back the blue

as long as you get home safely

thank you for your service

Posted by: brak at May 26, 2022 12:27 PM (j5Tg0)

191 187 That article says cops engaged with him (Ramos) as he exited his truck after wrecking it.

How he got from his car into the school really need to be explained.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 26, 2022 12:26 PM (UuD2k)

I agree - that's the biggest point of failure right there.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 26, 2022 12:27 PM (trdmm)

192 187 That article says cops engaged with him (Ramos) as he exited his truck after wrecking it.

How he got from his car into the school really need to be explained.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 26, 2022 12:26 PM (UuD2k)

And 500 ft between wreck and school according to a report a saw yesterday.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 26, 2022 12:27 PM (oHd/0)

193 "Let's roll" said no cop on the scene, tasers drawn, pensions in safe mode.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 26, 2022 12:27 PM (F0YaR)

194 63 Saw a comment earlier that is resonating with me today - if the common understanding of law enforcement and its relation to the society it serves is wrong or past its sell by date - it needs to change. If police have no duty to respond to any situation that involves a threat to their safety, they are no longer the keepers of the law.
Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at May 26, 2022 12:10 PM (QZ/dC)

Which means in the end, perhaps as it has always been, that we exclusively are responsible for our security. Therein is, in part, the wisdom behind the second amendment.

Posted by: 7man at May 26, 2022 12:27 PM (qwO6y)

195
That article says cops engaged with him (Ramos) as he exited his truck after wrecking it.

How he got from his car into the school really need to be explained.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe

Because fucking Democrats, that's why.
Cops today are scared of the "optics."

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 name in news at May 26, 2022 12:27 PM (goeJb)

196 I hope this eats and eats at those cops. That karma comes just for them.

They stayed safe while children died.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 26, 2022 12:27 PM (VHsUC)

197 It's meant to be used on peaceful unarmed civilians.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 26, 2022 12:25 PM (/U27+)

They could be "insurrectionists" *sarc*.

Posted by: Thrawn at May 26, 2022 12:28 PM (Rl7KJ)

198 Who would win an IQ contest, Biden or a border collie?
Posted by: Archimedes at May 26, 2022


***
Unfair. The border collie is a stable genius in his own line of work.

Bidenius? Not very stable and never was within hailing distance of genius.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 26, 2022 12:28 PM (txdEq)

199 Good thing police departments get all that military equipment for situations like this.

Women and children first!

Posted by: Waco at May 26, 2022 12:28 PM (kPbVu)

200 Cops aren't there to stop murderers; they're there to fill out some paperwork after the murder.



That's not always true.

They are generally pretty quick to respond when civil asset forfeiture is involved.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at May 26, 2022 12:28 PM (eovkY)

201 Charles Barkley Says "Dirty Ass" San Francisco Needs a "Good Washing"

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But first the tar and feathering.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 26, 2022 12:29 PM (FVME7)

202
No cop today is going to chase down anybody!

Remember the fake images of the Border Patrol on horses "whipping" the black invader at the border?





Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 name in news at May 26, 2022 12:29 PM (goeJb)

203 Which means in the end, perhaps as it has always been, that we exclusively are responsible for our security. Therein is, in part, the wisdom behind the second amendment.
Posted by: 7man

*

Like abortion, any and all gun issues should be state issues.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 26, 2022 12:29 PM (C23gB)

204 191 187 That article says cops engaged with him (Ramos) as he exited his truck after wrecking it.

How he got from his car into the school really need to be explained.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 26, 2022 12:26 PM (UuD2k)

I agree - that's the biggest point of failure right there.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 26, 2022 12:27 PM (trdmm)

Moreover, he did so armed. Yes, open carry in Texas, but C'mon, man, he led them on a CHASE. That should be automatic arrest time (or if he tries to shoot back, getting shot). Oh, I forget, lots of police are bad shots, aren't they?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 26, 2022 12:29 PM (ynpvh)

205
That article says cops engaged with him (Ramos) as he exited his truck after wrecking it.

How he got from his car into the school
whilst carrying a rifle, after being "engaged" by LEOs really need to be explained.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 26, 2022 12:26 PM


I'm curious like that

Posted by: AltonJackson at May 26, 2022 12:29 PM (ENBF0)

206 Story of my life
Posted by: derek chauvin at May 26, 2022 12:22 PM (rJ48h)

Yup. Training manual says "do this." So you do that, then they change the training manual and charge you with murder.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 26, 2022 12:29 PM (47mFt)

207 Too bad Kyle Rittenhouse wasn’t there. I doubt he would’ve stood on the sidelines.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 26, 2022 12:29 PM (JQr//)

208 Gone but not forgotten.

NFL Dedicates It Home Page to George Floyd

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 26, 2022 12:29 PM (FVME7)

209 It won't happen with Biden

but a teacher protection program should be started encouraging all teachers to volunteer for classes and technique handgun protection classes [CCL included].
Schools should encourage and promote this concept within the system and to the community
Every teacher protects his or her class.

One of those two teachers armed with a Weasel recommended .38 would have eliminated the killer tout de suite.

Of course 100% won't volunteer and some will fail competency. But the positive numbers will be overwhelming and mass shootings in schools will cease.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 26, 2022 12:29 PM (vPDt3)

210 Jesus. One of the cops who led that drill was married to one of the teachers that died.
___________

The kid who hid under the table said that he saw a teacher get in between the kids and the gunman, trying to protect the kids.

At least somebody was trying to protect them.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB at May 26, 2022 12:29 PM (MvHI3)

211 189 180 Biden Says the Second Amendment Is "Not Absolute"
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And the first amendment? Fuggitaboutit!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 26, 2022 12:25 PM (FVME7)

I wonder if he thinks the 13th Amendment is absolute?

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 26, 2022 12:30 PM (trdmm)

212 It's the screams of the parents. That is horrifying that they are outside listening to their children dying and being prevented from going in to help.

Did the cops evacuate children out of the school before going in? If not, if they were just sitting on their thumbs, why not let people with actual skin in the game go in and try to protect their love ones?

Posted by: Moki at May 26, 2022 12:30 PM (JrN/x)

213 Would a BP have a bit more experience than a small town police officer or is border towns almost always more criminal experience?
Border Patrol might have more experience with drug gangs

Posted by: Skip's phone at May 26, 2022 12:30 PM (fvqsI)

214 Wow, Ray Liotta dead at 67

Posted by: Dr Spank


"Is this heaven?"
"No, it's Iowa."
"Oh my God! I'm in hell!"

Posted by: Wally at May 26, 2022 12:30 PM (FJYfm)

215 @181 - How exactly could things have gone more south than letting a butcher wander around for more than an hour with fish in a barrel to shoot?

Posted by: Citizen Freeman at May 26, 2022 12:30 PM (Z5QBe)

216 ...but by god you need to have that face mask on or we will f you up.

Posted by: meal team 6 at May 26, 2022 12:30 PM (cXo0r)

217 yeah and ifthe cops rushed in and it went south, the cops woulda been blamed for that

===
In theory you could suppose it was just a hostage situation and forcing the issue caused the hostage taker to start shooting. In reality, that hasn't ever happened. These aholes go in shooting to kill immediately. They are seeking a ransom. They are seeking to turn it into a slaughter house. Doctrine should be go right at em. Shoot to kill.

Posted by: its pretty simple at May 26, 2022 12:30 PM (WM/ZP)

218 201 Charles Barkley Says "Dirty Ass" San Francisco Needs a "Good Washing"

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But first the tar and feathering.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 26, 2022 12:29 PM (FVME7)

Tar and feathers stick better after a good washing.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 26, 2022 12:30 PM (ynpvh)

219
Saw a comment earlier that is resonating with me today - if the common understanding of law enforcement and its relation to the society it serves is wrong or past its sell by date - it needs to change. If police have no duty to respond to any situation that involves a threat to their safety, they are no longer the keepers of the law.
Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at May 26, 2022 12:10 PM (QZ/dC)


As I've said about any institution, the respect it deserves is earned by how it works according to its standards. The government, the Church, journalism, academia, etc. have done very badly by that criterion.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 26, 2022 12:30 PM (/U27+)

220 If and when the shit hits the fan, how well trained fo you want those people to be? I’m all for law and order... until I’m not

Posted by: Cv_Gas



I want six cops with guns to breach a single door and work their way as a team toward the gunfire until they find the fucker and kill him.

Not wait outside for the On-Scene Commander to show up, order a perimeter set up, do a head count, drink coffee, make radio calls to figure out who is in charge, call the FBI, the WH, the BP and whomever else they were talking to, and generally fucking around for 90 minutes while kids are being killed.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 26, 2022 12:30 PM (Q9YUL)

221
yeah and ifthe cops rushed in and it went south, the cops woulda been blamed for that

-----

If. If. If.

There's a Ralph Northam with a gun locked in a building full of kids. When you ask yourself what to do, as a cop or as a passing pedestrian, the answer is never "stand here til I put down roots."

Posted by: @TheRealWilliamHayes at May 26, 2022 12:30 PM (FIJ+3)

222 Heres a 2108 article about kids in that town wanting to shoot up schools in their senior year.

https://tinyurl.com/bde7y5fp

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 26, 2022 12:31 PM (yrol0)

223 From what I'm reading elsewhere, it's even worse than what we are discussing.
The 4 school cops got *their* kids out!

Posted by: gourmand du jour at May 26, 2022 12:31 PM (jTmQV)

224 Donna Texas school district closes schools after receiving 'credible threat of violence'

https://tinyurl.com/3jfax3at

Posted by: redridinghood at May 26, 2022 12:31 PM (NpAcC)

225 How exactly could things have gone more south than letting a butcher wander around for more than an hour with fish in a barrel to shoot?

*

Shooting an unarmed hispanic child in the back they day before graduation in an election year. Duh.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 26, 2022 12:31 PM (C23gB)

226 Did the cops evacuate children out of the school before going in? If not, if they were just sitting on their thumbs, why not let people with actual skin in the game go in and try to protect their love ones?
Posted by: Moki at May 26, 2022 12:30 PM (JrN/x)

It looks like a hostage protocol. Problem is this was an active shooter situation.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 26, 2022 12:31 PM (b2nrj)

227 201 Charles Barkley Says "Dirty Ass" San Francisco Needs a "Good Washing"
-
But first the tar and feathering.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 26, 2022 12:29 PM (FVME7)

water is good, but for a real purification Fire is required.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 26, 2022 12:31 PM (trdmm)

228 It's terrible

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at May 26, 2022 12:31 PM (8sLrJ)

229 Yeah, my daughter is in that school?!? Just try to stop me.

Posted by: Greyman27 at May 26, 2022 12:04 PM (RKLPC)

They will. You'll probably be arrested.

Posted by: ... at May 26, 2022 12:32 PM (SmoWR)

230 And the first amendment? Fuggitaboutit!

there's one before the 2nd amendment ??

c'mon

not falling for it cornpop

Posted by: BRANDON at May 26, 2022 12:32 PM (us2H3)

231 BP has jurisdiction up to 100 miles from any border

Posted by: Yo! Ultra Ultra MAGA at May 26, 2022 12:18 PM (lOvbH)

---------------
Democrat sponsored legislation introduced in Congress to change this in 3..2..1..
Posted by: Curly Shuffle at May 26, 2022 12:23

We were looking at some property near Babb, MT, which was about 15 miles from the Canadian border. Border patrol stopped and checked us out.

Posted by: Beartooth at May 26, 2022 12:32 PM (NQrvS)

232 208 Gone but not forgotten.

NFL Dedicates It Home Page to George Floyd

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 26, 2022 12:29 PM (FVME7)

Where can I get my NFL George Floyd memorial Fentanyl?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 26, 2022 12:32 PM (ynpvh)

233 One wonders how many of the murdered kids might have survived their injuries had the cops moved in earlier to get EMTs inside....

Posted by: pikkumatti at May 26, 2022 12:32 PM (LNiNn)

234 There is a great, national convulsion, simmering just below the surface of society. When the lid blows, things will get really ugly, real fast. I fear there will be a terrible reckoning, and none will escape unscathed.

Posted by: Biggyrat at May 26, 2022 12:32 PM (bxrx8)

235 In my little town of less than 5K people, you see some of the cops running, no scratch that, waddling around with enough tac gear to supply the army of Liechtenstein. I wouldn't trust these clowns for a one hour response time, especially if the catfish is in the deep fryer at the gas station.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 26, 2022 12:32 PM (lz5hY)

236 I wonder what the mayor of Uvalde says about this. Is he going to call "SOB" at his police chief?

Posted by: creeper at May 26, 2022 12:32 PM (cTCuP)

237 RIP Ray Liotta

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 26, 2022 12:32 PM (QRdjz)

238 And I thought I couldn't feel any worse

Posted by: It's me donna at May 26, 2022 12:32 PM (bs+z0)

239 192
'And 500 ft between wreck and school according to a report a saw yesterday.'
WHAT!?!
Holy shit.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 26, 2022 12:33 PM (VNGpB)

240 Like abortion, any and all gun issues should be state issues.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 26, 2022 12:29 PM (C23gB)
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Unlike abortion, "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed" is in the Constitution

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 26, 2022 12:33 PM (YIVH2)

241 222 Heres a 2108 article about kids in that town wanting to shoot up schools in their senior year.

https://tinyurl.com/bde7y5fp
Posted by: rhennigantx at May 26, 2022 12:31 PM (yrol0)

I saw that article yesterday. Looks like they fixed the dates. It originally said published in May 2022. And the authors name is Ramos too?

WTF? Glitch in the Matrix.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 26, 2022 12:33 PM (Y5qcH)

242 How he got from his car into the school whilst carrying a rifle, after being "engaged" by LEOs really need to be explained.

**

Every link in the chain of failure is populated by a government employee.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 26, 2022 12:33 PM (C23gB)

243 Those "police" are all geared up for a war...on unarmed civilians.

Notice how they are all about the crowd but not one....not one, is focused on where the shooter is or could be.

Shame. Shame. Shame.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 26, 2022 12:33 PM (VghRo)

244 From what I'm reading elsewhere, it's even worse than what we are discussing.
The 4 school cops got *their* kids out!

Posted by: gourmand du jour at May 26, 2022 12:31 PM (jTmQV)

Please tell me that's not true. God almighty please.

Posted by: ... at May 26, 2022 12:33 PM (SmoWR)

245 well, which is it? The last line of the linked article says: "The bottom line is law enforcement was there," [Public Safety Director] McCraw said. "They did engage immediately. They did contain (Ramos) in the classroom."


Posted by: JM in Florida at May 26, 2022 12:33 PM (L7jyl)

246 but do you want a situation where everyone is taking matters into their own hands?

You notice we don't hold these events where that's a risk, right? The words "Stand Down" are music to our ears.

Posted by: False Flags in 24 Hours or Your Money Back! at May 26, 2022 12:33 PM (wcs7v)

247 I feel that the government, specifically the DOJ, did this.

Posted by: Miss Issippi at May 26, 2022 12:33 PM (sI15f)

248 Like courage -- the rarest virtue -- cowardice is contagious.

Those who make criminal justice impossible will make vigilante justice inevitable.

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at May 26, 2022 12:33 PM (xDhn8)

249 223 From what I'm reading elsewhere, it's even worse than what we are discussing.
The 4 school cops got *their* kids out!
Posted by: gourmand du jour at May 26, 2022 12:31 PM (jTmQV)

How can they do that while doing this perimeter thing? Logically if they aren't engaging the shooter or going in, that'd just mean everyone in the other areas are just kind of collectively safe from the shooter. They didn't briefly engage the shooter to go grab their kids I assume.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at May 26, 2022 12:33 PM (b2nrj)

250 Helluva non sequitor!

CNN National Security Analyst Calls for End of Immigration Enforcement in Response to Texas School Shooting

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 26, 2022 12:33 PM (FVME7)

251 When I was young, I was halfway to a pacifist, and never understood (and particularly hated) the Japanese idea of hara-kiri.


Skipping the philosophical journey from then to now... as an adult, I fully understand the concept of suicide to regain honor.


If you're one of those cops? You are never coming back from what you let happen there. Your are dishonored, shamed, for life.


The only way to regain even a semblance of honor is to flip that fancy tactical shotgun up, jam it under your chin, and pull the trigger.


That's what a man would do, anyhow. Obviously not dealing with men in that crowd.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at May 26, 2022 12:33 PM (6JL3d)

252 That article says cops engaged with him (Ramos) as he exited his truck after wrecking it.

How he got from his car into the school whilst carrying a rifle, after being "engaged" by LEOs really need to be explained.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 26, 2022 12:26 PM
--------------

Yes, that raises a lot of questions doesn't it.

Posted by: WisRich at May 26, 2022 12:34 PM (G0vdT)

253 My girlfriend at the time thought Ray Liotta was a God in Bull Durham. RIP.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 26, 2022 12:34 PM (g+JZp)

254 I don't understand why this has happened twice. Remember the Shaved Guevarra school? Where the cops were ordered to stay outside until the shooting stopped.

What is the excuse for this, where did this doctrine come from?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2022 12:34 PM (KZzsI)

255 213 Would a BP have a bit more experience than a small town police officer or is border towns almost always more criminal experience?
Border Patrol might have more experience with drug gangs
Posted by: Skip's phone at May 26, 2022 12:30 PM (fvqsI)

I could see if one LEO freezing in the moment. But when you have that many LEO standing around while shots are being fired - that isn't freezing up. That is cowardice.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 26, 2022 12:34 PM (N39Ws)

256 Bob Sagat's death was unique and suspicious as hell.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 26, 2022 12:34 PM (44ww/)

257 229 Yeah, my daughter is in that school?!? Just try to stop me.

Posted by: Greyman27 at May 26, 2022 12:04 PM (RKLPC)

They will. You'll probably be arrested.

Posted by: ... at May 26, 2022 12:32 PM (SmoWR)

There were only what, four cops? If enough parents where there, they'd have the cops in cuffs. Damn being arrested later.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 26, 2022 12:34 PM (ynpvh)

258 81 I think we are going to hear that these cops have a (bad) procedure that they have to follow for situations like this and they were afraid of getting in trouble if they didn't follow it.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 26, 2022 12:13 PM (VNGpB)

And I'm sure all of them had been heavily schooled in modern American civil liability laws. As I was saying in the last thread, Damned if they act, damned if they don't.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at May 26, 2022 12:34 PM (Qhnrt)

259 Ed Markey: “We have to take very seriously the threat, which an illegitimate, far-Right Supreme Court poses to gun safety in our country. We have to expand the Supreme Court to get back the two stolen seats that the Republicans and Donald Trump took from the American people, so that we can ensure that when we put gun safety laws on the books, they are not overridden by the Supreme Court of the United States.”

Posted by: sniffybigtoe



Hey, Ed. You can put all the laws on the books you want, and even legally change the constitution to remove the second amendment. I'm still going to make sure I am able to defend my family, especially from you and your thugs.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 26, 2022 12:34 PM (Q9YUL)

260 Names. Like Peterson and Israel in Broward. And put their asses on the street.

Posted by: Eeyore at May 26, 2022 12:34 PM (R0Tis)

261 The cops will say he got into the school because if they fired they might have hit students.

Bank on that being their excuse.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 26, 2022 12:34 PM (VHsUC)

262 Let's see here...

Tranny Spree Killer
Cops did nothing
Border Patrol agent saved the day by himself.

This reads like an 80s/90s action flick.

Except John McClain would have offed the killer before he could kill the kids.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 26, 2022 12:34 PM (ESjRY)

263 You have to go to the gunfire. It's your obligation when you take the pay. But then maybe I'm looking at this from the long side of 73 years old.

Posted by: Eromero at May 26, 2022 12:35 PM (gktX6)

264 Like abortion, any and all gun issues should be state issues.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 26, 2022 12:29 PM (C23gB)

If it were up to the current NJ governor my guns would be confiscated immediately.

So...no thanks.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2022 12:35 PM (XIJ/X)

265 Please tell me that's not true. God almighty please.
Posted by: ...
___

Why can't it be true?

Because people can't possibly be that selfish?

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at May 26, 2022 12:35 PM (NhLwH)

266 The Volkswagen was invented for use by the Nazis too, so what's the point?

Posted by: JoeF. at May 26, 2022 12:35 PM (mR6Gs)

267 CNN National Security Analyst Calls for End of Immigration Enforcement in Response to Texas School Shooting

And Climate Change! Don't forget the Climate Change.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 26, 2022 12:36 PM (ZsR3z)

268 I though border patrol was first to arrive and made the assault?

Posted by: Black JEM at May 26, 2022 12:36 PM (LyTO1)

269 "The bottom line is law enforcement was there," [Public Safety Director] McCraw said. "They did engage immediately. They did contain (Ramos) in the classroom."

"We made sure he wouldn't dare leave with a loaded gun!"

Well, thanks. Have a donut.

Posted by: t-bird at May 26, 2022 12:36 PM (RCix1)

270 What I'd say here would be a banning. Doesn't change one thing about the truthfulness.

Posted by: irongrampa at May 26, 2022 12:36 PM (KATBx)

271 SCOTUS has announced it will issue no more rulings until the scool shootings stop

Posted by: CNN at May 26, 2022 12:36 PM (us2H3)

272 Who was that guy on 911 who said “Let’s roll” and got the other men on the flight to take out the hijackers? Todd Beamer? That’s what real men do when confronted with homicidal lunatics.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 26, 2022 12:36 PM (JQr//)

273 Lefties will say that we need common sense gun control. Fox News will say that we need to back the blue by sending more dough to the cops.

Both of those positions are completely nuts and miss the point.

Posted by: John Tax Roberts at May 26, 2022 12:36 PM (YTBIQ)

274
John McClain would have offed the killer before he could kill the kids.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 26, 2022 12:34 PM (ESjRY)

Well... except for the sleazy, coked-up kid who sold him out to the killer.

Posted by: @TheRealWilliamHayes at May 26, 2022 12:36 PM (FIJ+3)

275 [Public Safety Director] McCraw said. "They did engage immediately. They did contain (Ramos) in the classroom."

One brave BPO putting two into the temple tends to do that. Question is - why didn't the 20 other officers out there nut up sooner?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 26, 2022 12:36 PM (N39Ws)

276 140 Active shooter drill in March with students pretending to be dead in Uvalde.

https://tinyurl.com/bdhzkzhk
Posted by: WeBoned! at May 26, 2022 12:20 PM (8k7U7)

Well, clearly, the training really stuck.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at May 26, 2022 12:36 PM (ppBhU)

277
100 cops did Jack shit.
Had only 3 cops been there they would probably have done something. Analysis paralysis and group think destroys action plans.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 26, 2022 12:36 PM (foEeQ)

278 I hope Hannity is on vacation, or we may hear only the words “rank and file” for three consecutive hours.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at May 26, 2022 12:36 PM (rBAkF)

279 But Ed that's insurrectionsty talk!

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at May 26, 2022 12:37 PM (0mUYx)

280 Like abortion, any and all gun issues should be state issues.
___

It already is.

I can get an abortion up to delivery here in IL, but am unable to own a gun.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at May 26, 2022 12:37 PM (NhLwH)

281 Goodfellas star Ray Liotta, 67, dies in his sleep in Dominican Republic where he was filming Dangerous Waters

Posted by: SMOD at May 26, 2022 12:37 PM (RHGPo)

282 261 The cops will say he got into the school because if they fired they might have hit students.

Bank on that being their excuse.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 26, 2022 12:34 PM (VHsUC)

NY cops are notoriously bad shots, maybe TX cops are too?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 26, 2022 12:37 PM (ynpvh)

283 I can't help but thinking the terror those babies went through, before they were mercilessly shot in cold blood, lying there dying wanting their parents who were just outside...God help us.

There has to be justice.

Posted by: Miss Issippi at May 26, 2022 12:37 PM (sI15f)

284 You have to go to the gunfire. It's your obligation when you take the pay.

Posted by: Eromero at May 26, 2022 12:35 PM (gktX6)

Exactly. They were happy to cash their paychecks when nothing was happening. Too bad they didn't feel like actually earning those checks when something did happen.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2022 12:37 PM (XIJ/X)

285 269 "The bottom line is law enforcement was there," [Public Safety Director] McCraw said. "They did engage immediately. They did contain (Ramos) in the classroom

Yes.. with children he shot like fish in a barrel

Posted by: It's me donna at May 26, 2022 12:37 PM (bs+z0)

286 I don't understand how the killer was able to get into the school. In order to enter my grandkid's elementary school you have to be buzzed through two sets of doors. All doors are locked. I assumed that was across the board how schools operate. However, there are no police officers or school resource officers on campus. So, I don't get it.

Posted by: Usedtocould at May 26, 2022 12:37 PM (LRa30)

287 WaPo senior editor reminds us that the AR-15 was invented for Nazi infantrymen in the late 1950s

https://tinyurl.com/yeypf3y3

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 26, 2022 12:37 PM (yrol0)

288 Like abortion, any and all gun issues should be state issues.

Constitution comes first.

Posted by: t-bird at May 26, 2022 12:37 PM (RCix1)

289 @229… The LEO that would stop me from going in to a school that my child was in that was being shot up would forever be looking over their shoulder.

Posted by: JROD at May 26, 2022 12:37 PM (JAJAP)

290 What is the excuse for this, where did this doctrine come from?

Think of cops, in the aggregate as any other worker. They do not want to run head first into a hostile shooter situation. Not only are you obviously at personal risk, if you f*ck something up the media will crucify you.

In Heritage America though there was a strong shame aspect here - if as a cop you stood by and did nothing everyone in your neighbor would find out and HATE you.

In Soviet America though, if you follow the hand book nothing bad will happen to you. Even if the hand book is stupid.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 26, 2022 12:37 PM (ESjRY)

291 I bet they enforced all of Abbott's covid lock downs though. Defund the police... we're better off without them.

Posted by: Iron-Wombat at May 26, 2022 12:37 PM (BRnXm)

292 254 I don't understand why this has happened twice. Remember the Shaved Guevarra school? Where the cops were ordered to stay outside until the shooting stopped.

What is the excuse for this, where did this doctrine come from?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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Hostage doctrine. Same as pre 9/11 doctrine on hijacking meant jollying the hijackers along even if one or two people got shot.

Spree killers are different and will shoot until their ammo runs out, they kill themselves, or they are killed/stopped by others. Essentially they are committing suicide and taking as many others with them as possible. Different mindset entirely from hostage takers.

Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 12:38 PM (Iq9dF)

293 264 Like abortion, any and all gun issues should be state issues.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 26, 2022 12:29 PM (C23gB)

If it were up to the current NJ governor my guns would be confiscated immediately.

So...no thanks.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 26, 2022 12:35 PM (XIJ/X)

Sorta like leaving the 1st amendment to the states. YOu'd end up worse that Kalifornia in Kalifornia right now.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 26, 2022 12:38 PM (ynpvh)

294 "but by god you need to have that face mask on or we will f you up."

And you gotta have that jab, too.

Additionally, Doctor Bill Gates just said that we all need to be "boosted" every 6 months with the experimental mRNA gene therapy that is labeled, "Vaccine."...since he makes a 20 to 1 return on his investment in vaccines n' all.

Posted by: Ju at May 26, 2022 12:38 PM (aTmM/)

295 Officer safety is more important than your safety, your dog's safety, and especially your chillrun's safety. Don't you forget that, or the police will protect-serve the fuck outta you.

Posted by: Posting "First" should be a killin' offense! at May 26, 2022 12:38 PM (ejBsR)

296 208 Gone but not forgotten.

NFL Dedicates It Home Page to George Floyd
_____________

If they really wanted to help blacks, they'd set it up with a donation to the American Heart Association, and some group that helps drugs addicts, since it was his badly diseased heart and his drug addiction that actually killed George Floyd.

And heart disease and drugs kill a lot more black men in this country than cops do.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB at May 26, 2022 12:38 PM (MvHI3)

297 Daimler built the Mercedes that was Hitler's favorite.

We can play seven degrees of Nazi separation all day long media.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 26, 2022 12:38 PM (VHsUC)

298 WaPo senior editor reminds us that the AR-15 was invented for Nazi infantrymen in the late 1950s


These must be those Moon NAZIs they talk about on the "History" Channel

Posted by: 18-1 at May 26, 2022 12:38 PM (ESjRY)

299 Well that's weird, just got an email from home depot claiming my shipment that I got yesterday has been delayed. I should receive it within 5 days, if not I am supposed to call them.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at May 26, 2022 12:39 PM (bVYXr)

300 278 I hope Hannity is on vacation, or we may hear only the words “rank and file” for three consecutive hours.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at May 26, 2022 12:36 PM (rBAkF)

Well those four cops are sure rank.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 26, 2022 12:39 PM (ynpvh)

301 I want six cops with guns to breach a single door and work their way as a team toward the gunfire until they find the fucker and kill him.

Not wait outside for the On-Scene Commander to show up, order a perimeter set up, do a head count, drink coffee, make radio calls to figure out who is in charge, call the FBI, the WH, the BP and whomever else they were talking to, and generally fucking around for 90 minutes while kids are being killed.
Posted by: Sharkman at May 26, 2022 12:30 PM

The extensive training they undergo will not be used against IPOC school shooters. It will be used against those who rise up against the authoritarian Uniparty. I’m not sure empowering the cops is the right solution as they’ll be the first ones to put down any hint of folks trying to protect their own freedoms. Look at Canada. This situation was all bad from the start. I can’t get on my kid’s school campus without going through a single point of entry, armor encased transition room where I show ID having arranged a previous appointment. The failure occurred before the shooter even arrived.

Posted by: Cv_Gas at May 26, 2022 12:39 PM (UAf5h)

302 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 26, 2022 12:39 PM (7Q7Ca)

303 Did Capitol Police Officers let the shooter into the building?

Posted by: Anti-Faucist at May 26, 2022 12:39 PM (TKZuJ)

304 261 The cops will say he got into the school because if they fired they might have hit students.

Bank on that being their excuse.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 26, 2022 12:34 PM (VHsUC)


probably a lot of variables that we are not aware of

lke multile shooters, traps of some sort, location of choldren

crossfires, etal

Posted by: CNN at May 26, 2022 12:39 PM (us2H3)

305 In Soviet America though, if you follow the hand book nothing bad will happen to you. Even if the hand book is stupid.

Posted by: 18-1
---------------
In Soviet America, the head will be fired or reassigned, and quietly have their pensions, etc. restored. They may even get another job elsewhere as top cop. The Administrative State protects itself, in part, to keep up the silence on misconduct.

Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 12:39 PM (Iq9dF)

306 283 I can't help but thinking the terror those babies went through, before they were mercilessly shot in cold blood, lying there dying wanting their parents who were just outside...God help us.

There has to be justice.
Posted by: Miss Issippi at May 26, 2022 12:37 PM (sI15f)

Not in this life, not unless you make it yourself.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 12:39 PM (XvPQV)

307 Goodfellas star Ray Liotta, 67, dies in his sleep in Dominican Republic where he was filming Dangerous Waters

sad news, he really was a good actor, always interesting on screen.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2022 12:39 PM (KZzsI)

308 RIP Ray Liotta. The more times I watch "Killing Them Softly," the more I like it.

Posted by: Misdismal gp at May 26, 2022 12:39 PM (qpX6U)

309 Well that's weird, just got an email from home depot claiming my shipment that I got yesterday has been delayed. I should receive it within 5 days, if not I am supposed to call them.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at May 26, 2022 12:39 PM (bVYXr)

There's a disturbance in the Matrix.

Posted by: Archer at May 26, 2022 12:40 PM (gmo/4)

310 This report, coming fresh after seeing cops rough up and arrest parents protesting at school board meetings, and cops arresting people for stupid mask violations

The credibility of LE is destroyed. No more back the blue. No more dough for law-enforcement and police and intelligence agencies of all stripes at all levels. Had enough of all of them

Posted by: John Tax Roberts at May 26, 2022 12:40 PM (YTBIQ)

311 So, cops are mostly great until you REALLY need them.

That's disgusting and pathetic. They should be ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES.

PARENTS were willing to go in, but LAW ENFORCEMENT were not. They should all be fired.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 26, 2022 12:40 PM (7Q7Ca)

312 287 WaPo senior editor reminds us that the AR-15 was invented for Nazi infantrymen in the late 1950s

https://tinyurl.com/yeypf3y3

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 26, 2022 12:37 PM (yrol0)

Hitler was a vegetarian and a painter.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 26, 2022 12:40 PM (ynpvh)

313 Senator Ron Johnson @SenRonJohnson
16h
Not surprising that the Democrat leader would lie about the bill he blocked that parents of Parkland victims have been trying to pass for years.
Dems aren’t looking for solutions, they want wedge issues that they hope will keep them in power. Sick.
-----
referring to:
Chuck Schumer @SenSchumer
GOP Sen. Johnson just tried for a bill that could see more guns in schools—I blocked it.
The truth: There were officers at the school in Texas. The shooter got past them.
We need real solutions—We will vote on gun legislation starting with the Domestic Terrorism Prevention Act.

Posted by: SMOD at May 26, 2022 12:40 PM (RHGPo)

314 Have an old t-shirt with riff on "DARE" logo,
"Dare to keep cops off donuts"
"Donut Abuse Resistance Education"

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at May 26, 2022 12:40 PM (0mUYx)

315 What was the point of the delay? Were they worried the psycho might get agitated and kill *more* than 18 kids?

40 minutes.

With the technology in schools these days, there should have been security cameras down every hall and in every classroom to pinpoint Ramos within minutes. What the hell is the point of all this tech and mercenary gear, if the only person the cops are willing to take down is an upset father in the parking lot?

Posted by: red speck at May 26, 2022 12:40 PM (gS3OW)

316
WaPo senior editor reminds us that the AR-15 was invented for Nazi infantrymen in the late 1950s

https://tinyurl.com/yeypf3y3
Posted by: rhennigantx


Of course.

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 name in news at May 26, 2022 12:40 PM (goeJb)

317 If they really wanted to help blacks, they'd set it up with a donation to the American Heart Association, and some group that helps drugs addicts, since it was his badly diseased heart and his drug addiction that actually killed George Floyd.

And heart disease and drugs kill a lot more black men in this country than cops do.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB at May 26, 2022 12:38 PM (MvHI3)

about 98% of black men killed annually are by black men

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 26, 2022 12:40 PM (yrol0)

318 There has to be justice.
Posted by: Miss Issippi at May 26, 2022 12:37 PM (sI15f)
___

There is.
Just not in this world.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at May 26, 2022 12:40 PM (NhLwH)

319 >>> Well that's weird, just got an email from home depot claiming my shipment that I got yesterday has been delayed. I should receive it within 5 days, if not I am supposed to call them.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at May 26, 2022 12:39 PM (bVYXr)


I get those and their phishing but it's obvious because I've ordered nothing.

Posted by: banana Dream at May 26, 2022 12:40 PM (QzpS1)

320 Inside that school we're a couple hundred innocent babies who were wondering the whole time when someone was going come and save them.

Posted by: creeper at May 26, 2022 12:40 PM (cTCuP)

321 Rumor mill has Goodfella's great Ray Liota passing at 67.

Anyone else heard this?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 26, 2022 12:40 PM (7Q7Ca)

322 I could see if one LEO freezing in the moment. But when you have that many LEO standing around while shots are being fired - that isn't freezing up. That is cowardice.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 26, 2022 12:34 PM (N39Ws)

I think it's a combination of ( lack of) training, cowardice, probably getting mixed messages from superiors because of legal ramifications. But this is new.

I can guarantee you that when i was a kid the local cops would have RUSHED in if this was going on

Something changed. Being a police officer USED to be a calling. Now it's a career choice for some. Pussies.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 26, 2022 12:41 PM (mR6Gs)

323
There has to be justice.
Posted by: Miss Issippi at May 26, 2022 12:37 PM (sI15f)

Not in this life, not unless you make it yourself.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
------------------
MAE is right. We do not have a 'justice' system but rather a legal process system. Sometimes justice and the legal process system come to the same result. Usually not.

Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 12:41 PM (Iq9dF)

324 BabylonBee:

Nancy Pelosi Draws Up Articles Of Impeachment Against The Pope

Posted by: SMOD at May 26, 2022 12:41 PM (RHGPo)

325 Was the shooter a star running back? Because he ran around several LEOs to get into that school, including one that was "guarding" the school.

Posted by: Anti-Faucist at May 26, 2022 12:41 PM (TKZuJ)

326 >CNN National Security Analyst Calls for End of Immigration Enforcement in Response to Texas School Shooting
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 26, 2022 12:33 PM (FVME7)

Hey man, standing on the bodies of murdered children isn't just good for taking away your gun rights. We'll use it for anything! Never let a good crisis go to waste!

--The Left

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at May 26, 2022 12:41 PM (wPuAx)

327 We need common sense maniac control.

Posted by: Archer at May 26, 2022 12:41 PM (gmo/4)

328 Additionally, Doctor Bill Gates just said that we all need to be "boosted" every 6 months with the experimental mRNA gene therapy that is labeled, "Vaccine."...since he makes a 20 to 1 return on his investment in vaccines n' all.
_____________

Moderna had to throw away 30 million "vaccine" doses the other day, because they weren't selling and Moderna couldn't give them away.

People are catching on.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB at May 26, 2022 12:41 PM (MvHI3)

329 "Those "police" are all geared up for a war...on unarmed civilians."


-----------

This is why I always laugh at the fevered dreams of leftists regarding gun confiscation. If they are going to send these guys and gals to my home to take my firearms I hope they have a flat bed full of pine boxes behind the police vehicles...

Posted by: Jay in PA at May 26, 2022 12:41 PM (i7Q7S)

330 I lived near Odessa when they sent an AMRAP out ('Meal Team 6") over a bar open during the rona shutdown. You can respond quickly with all of your tacticool equipment when you know you're not going to get shot at.

Posted by: brak at May 26, 2022 12:41 PM (j5Tg0)

331 297 Daimler built the Mercedes that was Hitler's favorite.

We can play seven degrees of Nazi separation all day long media.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 26, 2022 12:38 PM (VHsUC)

BMW made airplanes for the Nazis.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 26, 2022 12:41 PM (ynpvh)

332 303 Did Capitol Police Officers let the shooter into the building?
Posted by: Anti-Faucist at May 26, 2022 12:39 PM (TKZuJ)

Technically, yes. Ask Ashley.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 26, 2022 12:41 PM (N39Ws)

333 Hey, I've got a great idea! All of us go to Uvalde today and help lynch every law enforcement officer who was within a hundred miles of the school when the alert went out, for cowardice! Each of them is a coward who did nothing and ignored training! It is so obvious this is the case.

Posted by: expecting to be banned at May 26, 2022 12:41 PM (+i+4N)

334 321 Rumor mill has Goodfella's great Ray Liota passing at 67.

Anyone else heard this?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 26, 2022 12:40 PM (7Q7Ca)

Jah, sadly confirmed. Died in his sleep, apparently. Details to follow in days to come.

Hell of a good actor.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 12:41 PM (XvPQV)

335 The cops won’t need any excuses because the msm won’t ask for any explanations.

This is all because guns and white supremacists. The end.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 26, 2022 12:41 PM (foEeQ)

336 287 WaPo senior editor reminds us that the AR-15 was invented for Nazi infantrymen in the late 1950s

https://tinyurl.com/yeypf3y3

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 26, 2022 12:37 PM (yrol0)

Wait, there were Nazis around in the late 50's? Musta been MOON Nazis.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 26, 2022 12:42 PM (oHd/0)

337 Guess I could just scroll back a bit and read the comments........

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 26, 2022 12:42 PM (7Q7Ca)

338 Rumor mill has Goodfella's great Ray Liota passing at 67.

Anyone else heard this?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 26, 2022 12:40 PM (7Q7Ca

Yes.

In his sleep

Posted by: JoeF. at May 26, 2022 12:42 PM (mR6Gs)

339 303 Did Capitol Police Officers let the shooter into the building?

Posted by: Anti-Faucist at May 26, 2022 12:39 PM (TKZuJ)

A Capital Policeman was the shooter.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 26, 2022 12:42 PM (ynpvh)

340 Nobody at WaPo better be wearing Hugo Boss anymore.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at May 26, 2022 12:42 PM (foEeQ)

341 was a vegetarian and a painter.

And a TERRIFIC dancer!

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at May 26, 2022 12:42 PM (0mUYx)

342 I just can't...can't fathom standing there as a cop, holding a gun, knowing there's someone in the school killing children and instead, herding the parents.

I'm not a particularly brave guy, but I'm a parent and if my kid was in there and the cops were standing around with their thumbs up their asses, ESPECIALLY if you're still hearing gunshots in the school, I'm going in. I mean, I couldn't live with myself.

Posted by: Biergood at May 26, 2022 12:42 PM (FQWHA)

343
The Administrative State protects itself, in part, to keep up the silence on misconduct.
Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 12:39 PM (Iq9dF)

In total. The entire American system is built on a rock solid foundation of complete unaccountability for State actors, in any and all misconduct, no matter how egregious it is.

If a single crack appears in that foundation - if any of the gang could possibly be held accountable - the whole foundation cracks, and the edifice of corruption shudders and falls.

It's *exactly* like the Mafia was.

Posted by: @TheRealWilliamHayes at May 26, 2022 12:43 PM (FIJ+3)

344 They say a team when in but there's nothing to substantiate that story. However there is a photo of the one BP agent's baseball cap with a bullet hole in it.

Until further proof I will think it a lone BP agent and the "team" a cover story for the lousy cops.

Were they DPS, police, sheriff, or constable louting around?

Posted by: Braenyard at May 26, 2022 12:43 PM (vPDt3)

345 Uvalde 1) elected a school board that thought it was a good idea to declare the school a fake "gun free" zone, 2) hired teachers and administrators who somehow allowed the gunman to enter the building, 3) hired a cowardly and incompetent police force who did nothing for an hour, other than corral anguished parents, and 4) did nothing for years about about the perp, who was a known troublemaker, that would have given him a criminal record, disqualifying him from purchasing firearms.

You reap what you sow.

Posted by: cool breeze at May 26, 2022 12:43 PM (UGKMd)

346 It seems like a lot of new "names" AKA trolls today

Posted by: It's me donna at May 26, 2022 12:43 PM (bs+z0)

347 337 Guess I could just scroll back a bit and read the comments........
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 26, 2022 12:42 PM (7Q7Ca)

That's crazy talk.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 12:43 PM (XvPQV)

348 What's an AMRAP?

I know what an MRAP is, but AMRAP must be a new thing.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at May 26, 2022 12:43 PM (NhLwH)

349 CNN National Security Analyst Calls for End of Immigration Enforcement in Response to Texas School Shooting
____________

There would have to be some actual "immigration enforcement" going on before it could be suspended.

And there hasn't been any since the Biden junta stole the election.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB at May 26, 2022 12:43 PM (MvHI3)

350 The motto of the cops must have been "To Serve and Protect..............the crime scene"

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 26, 2022 12:43 PM (qoLdL)

351 But when you have that many LEO standing around while shots are being fired - that isn't freezing up.


That's policy being run by LEO legal department.


Same as fucked up ROE in the 'stan.

Posted by: Archer at May 26, 2022 12:43 PM (gmo/4)

352 Wolfus: the vet ref is bc too many animal rescues have to deal w ppl taking dogs/cats for bait animals. It really isn't a reflection on you, just the evil times in which we live.

Posted by: EveR at May 26, 2022 12:43 PM (MUpk6)

353 We need to demand a similar ethic to ocean rescue teams, who say, "We have to go out."

It is understood that they don't "have to" come back, and that maybe they won't.

If an officer's prime concern is going home at the end of the shift, sideways to him with a flaming, barb wire wrapped pineapple.

Of course we want that - but that is not where your honor lies.

Posted by: Parker at May 26, 2022 12:44 PM (hJWil)

354 297 Daimler built the Mercedes that was Hitler's favorite.

Mercedes Jellinek was like a human

so Daimler was really talented

Posted by: REDACTED at May 26, 2022 12:44 PM (us2H3)

355 MAE is right. We do not have a 'justice' system but rather a legal process system. Sometimes justice and the legal process system come to the same result. Usually not.
Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 12:41 PM (Iq9dF)

Many years in the business and rare was the time when justice based on law, facts and morality converged.

Posted by: 7man at May 26, 2022 12:44 PM (qwO6y)

356 Wait, there were Nazis around in the late 50's? Musta been MOON Nazis.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 26, 2022 12:42 PM (oHd/0)

Hollow Earth.
Antarctica.
Admiral Byrd tried to warn us!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 12:44 PM (XvPQV)

357 NY cops are notoriously bad shots, maybe TX cops are too?
=
If they are more than 15 yards out with pistols, I wouldn't bank on them hitting what they are aiming at, especially if they have been running/chasing. about 20 feet is where they would be somewhat effective on a good day. Stable stance.

Posted by: its pretty simple at May 26, 2022 12:44 PM (RaZqN)

358 The motto of the cops must have been "To Serve and Protect..............the crime scene"

Cops are under no legal obligation to protect anyone.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 26, 2022 12:44 PM (ESjRY)

359 320 Inside that school we're a couple hundred innocent babies who were wondering the whole time when someone was going come and save them.
Posted by: creeper at May 26, 2022 12:40 PM (cTCuP)

That thought, along with the sound of the screams of the victims should haunt the dreams every single LEO there that day save the one BPO.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 26, 2022 12:44 PM (N39Ws)

360 324 BabylonBee:

Nancy Pelosi Draws Up Articles Of Impeachment Against The Pope

Posted by: SMOD at May 26, 2022 12:41 PM (RHGPo)

Given he's a socialist, that would be interesting.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 26, 2022 12:44 PM (ynpvh)

361 Same as fucked up ROE in the 'stan.
Posted by: Archer
___

Yep.

Lawyers calling the shots.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at May 26, 2022 12:44 PM (NhLwH)

362 Which means in the end, perhaps as it has always been, that we exclusively are responsible for our security. Therein is, in part, the wisdom behind the second amendment.

Posted by: 7man



Single cell organisms are granted the ability to use lethal force to save themselves and their progeny by nature. I'll be damned if I don't have the same rights as a paramecium, 2nd amendment or not.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 26, 2022 12:44 PM (Q9YUL)

363 I can guarantee you that when i was a kid the local cops would have RUSHED in if this was going on

Something changed. Being a police officer USED to be a calling. Now it's a career choice for some. Pussies.
Posted by: JoeF. at May 26, 2022 12:41 PM (mR6Gs)

Not sure how old you are, but all the Cops when I was growing up, were Vets.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 26, 2022 12:45 PM (oHd/0)

364 358 SCHOOL COP DUMPED 3 MAGS AT THE PERP AND NOT ONE HIT. FUCK ME.
Posted by: MONSTER UNIVERSE MITT ROMNEY NOW WITH FDE at May 26, 2022 12:44 PM (1IJnB)

Have that same cop shoot at a dog at 10yds and he'll hit it square between the eyes.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 26, 2022 12:45 PM (N39Ws)

365 I could see if one LEO freezing in the moment. But when you have that many LEO standing around while shots are being fired - that isn't freezing up. That is cowardice.

No, it's responding to stimuli. Nobody wants to be the next Derek Chauvin.

Posted by: Ian S. at May 26, 2022 12:45 PM (ZGrMX)

366 Just kidding, Admiral Byrd kept his mouth shut about Antarctica and got the CMH in return.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 12:45 PM (XvPQV)

367 @333 expecting to be banned-don’t threaten me with a good time!

Posted by: JROD at May 26, 2022 12:45 PM (JAJAP)

368 I understand the cops also arrested and physically put down some parents. So who says the cops didn't do anything? They stomped on law abiding citizens and they all got to go home safe to collect their huge pensions. Only thing missing is no dogs were murdered by them.

So good day.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 26, 2022 12:45 PM (iDcra)

369 If it were up to the current NJ governor my guns would be confiscated immediately.

So...no thanks.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
*

And you'd have the freedom to move. You can't move to escape a federal law, though. Shall not be infringed = no federal input or concern.

The 10th Amendment exists for a reason. I can't move to escape the tyranny of a federal law that assumes my hunting property in NC should be treated the same as a block of skyscrapers in New Jersey.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 26, 2022 12:45 PM (C23gB)

370 Same as fucked up ROE in the 'stan.

In Stan the military busted some soldier from stopping a "friendly" warlord raping a boy.

In the US the cops stand by while the schools groom kids and not while those kids get shot.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 26, 2022 12:45 PM (ESjRY)

371 Who would win an IQ contest, Biden or a border collie?
Posted by: Archimedes at May 26, 2022 12:23 PM (ZsR3z)

A dalmatian.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at May 26, 2022 12:45 PM (ufFY8)

372 Don't forget the Daimler Maja

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 26, 2022 12:45 PM (VHsUC)

373 341 was a vegetarian and a painter.

And a TERRIFIC dancer!

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at May 26, 2022 12:42 PM (0mUYx)

I saw one of Hitler's paintings; I can't paint nearly as well. I guess that makes me worse than Hitler.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 26, 2022 12:45 PM (ynpvh)

374 Good news, folks! We have cut off his supply lines. He will have to surrender eventually.

Posted by: Desk Commander On The Scene at May 26, 2022 12:46 PM (W66RU)

375 I know what an MRAP is, but AMRAP must be a new thing.

It's a typo. AMRAP is "as many reps as possible" I know fitness lingo more than military vehicles. You know what I mean -- the armored military vehicle that small town police forces love to buy

Posted by: brak at May 26, 2022 12:46 PM (j5Tg0)

376
Hitler was a vegetarian and a painter.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 26, 2022 12:40 PM (ynpvh)

He was a bohemian slacker ( and actually not much of an anti-Semite) right up until WW1

Posted by: JoeF. at May 26, 2022 12:46 PM (mR6Gs)

377 There were only what, four cops? If enough parents where there, they'd have the cops in cuffs. Damn being arrested later.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 26, 2022


***
In the Twatter vid of the parent being pinned down by cops, there appear to be a lot of parents standing around like sheep. Fat sheep who look like they get out of breath walking across a parking lot, let alone rushing a bunch of cops. Heritage American parents would have rushed them -- but Heritage American parents weren't the size of hippos.

Yes, the parents should have forced the issue. One parent could have mobilized them -- but nobody did anything.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 26, 2022 12:46 PM (txdEq)

378 303 Did Capitol Police Officers let the shooter into the building?

Posted by: Anti-Faucist at May 26, 2022 12:39 PM (TKZuJ)

A Capital Policeman was the shooter.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 26, 2022 12:42 PM (ynpvh)

......

I think he was talking about the people shooting selfies on their phones.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at May 26, 2022 12:46 PM (eovkY)

379
Jah, sadly confirmed. Died in his sleep, apparently. Details to follow in days to come.

Hell of a good actor.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 12:41 PM (XvPQV)


When cast correctly, he was fantastic.

Bad guy, gangster, asshole. All right in his wheelhouse.


I will break out some movies in his honor this weekend.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 26, 2022 12:46 PM (7Q7Ca)

380 The Nips sewed their uniforms on Toyota sewing machiness

Posted by: REDACTED at May 26, 2022 12:46 PM (us2H3)

381 348 What's an AMRAP?

I know what an MRAP is, but AMRAP must be a new thing.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at May 26, 2022 12:43 PM (NhLwH)

No way they touch the MREs though.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 26, 2022 12:47 PM (ynpvh)

382 Single cell organisms are granted the ability to use lethal force to save themselves and their progeny by nature. I'll be damned if I don't have the same rights as a paramecium, 2nd amendment or not.
Posted by: Sharkman at May 26, 2022 12:44 PM (Q9YUL)

True. The only fine point to add is that the second amendment protects that natural right of man from infringement by the tyrants.

Posted by: 7man at May 26, 2022 12:47 PM (qwO6y)

383 Conservatives: "Back The Blue."

The Blue: Get bent.

Conservatives: "We need armed teachers!"

Teachers: "I'm not that kind of ally. By the way, your kid should be on puberty blockers."

We are so screwed.

Posted by: That Bot Over There at May 26, 2022 12:47 PM (1dzqn)

384 Just saw that Israel has told Washington that it took out an Iranian Revolutionary Guard official in the middle of Tehran - Iranians are pissed of course, but they're always pissed, so what. I gotta admit I admire the professional style Mossad uses, very simple and direct. Target was in his car, near his house. A motorcycle races up, both riders with full helmets and leather jackets, so no ID possible. They empty their pistols into the car simultaneously, then take off into traffic and disapear. Very fast, very elegant.

And this is only speculation, but I would imagine that a well planned operation would have the motorcycle pull up into a panel van a few blocks away, and the van would leave town within the hour.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 26, 2022 12:47 PM (trdmm)

385 Johns Hopkins university students have come up with edible tape, to keep your burrito together while you eat.

This is the kind of news we need.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2022 12:47 PM (KZzsI)

386 320 Inside that school we're a couple hundred innocent babies who were wondering the whole time when someone was going come and save them.
Posted by: creeper at May 26, 2022 12:40 PM (cTCuP)

Yes, little ones. There's nothing in the closet and there's no monsters under the bed.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at May 26, 2022 12:47 PM (Qhnrt)

387 I saw one of Hitler's paintings; I can't paint nearly as well. I guess that makes me worse than Hitler.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 26, 2022 12:45 PM (ynpvh)

Adolph Hitler> Bob Ross

Posted by: JoeF. at May 26, 2022 12:47 PM (mR6Gs)

388 How long before the media and Biden decide the hero border patrol agents just stormed ther school so they can shoot a brown child?

Posted by: Rbastid at May 26, 2022 12:47 PM (BDBlI)

389 You know what I mean -- the armored military vehicle that small town police forces love to buy
___

AKA, an MRAP.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at May 26, 2022 12:47 PM (NhLwH)

390 Did they show up to protect and serve themselves?

Posted by: toddg at May 26, 2022 12:47 PM (B3RQo)

391
Who would win an IQ contest, Biden or a border collie?
Posted by: Archimedes at May 26, 2022 12:23 PM (ZsR3z)


An Afghan Hound.

IQ contest: Baked potato >>>> Afghan Hound.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 26, 2022 12:47 PM (/U27+)

392 And you'd have the freedom to move. You can't move to escape a federal law, though. Shall not be infringed = no federal input or concern.

Addendum:

This is what I don't get about the people freaking out about abortion being shifted to the states. Those murderers are gaining massive freedom. I'd pay thousands of dollars for the same to happen to firearms.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 26, 2022 12:47 PM (Elpht)

393 Ray Liota will always be Shoeless Joe to me.

Posted by: Javems at May 26, 2022 12:48 PM (AmoqO)

394 358 Cops are under no legal obligation to protect anyone.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 26, 2022 12:44 PM (ESjRY)

True, which is why we should be able to conceal carry at all times. You cannot count on the cops to save your life.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 26, 2022 12:48 PM (qoLdL)

395 It's *exactly* like the Mafia was.

Posted by: @TheRealWilliamHayes
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For Sicilians, the predictability of the Mafia was better than those 'governing' them at the time. Eventually, unaccountable power corrupted the Mafia too and then people sought to have it crushed.

Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 12:48 PM (Iq9dF)

396 Baked potato > Afghan hound > Afghan.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 26, 2022 12:48 PM (VHsUC)

397 The whole debacle could have been stopped by a kindergarten teacher armed and trained. Just saying.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at May 26, 2022 12:48 PM (LOVUx)

398
And this is only speculation, but I would imagine that a well planned operation would have the motorcycle pull up into a panel van a few blocks away, and the van would leave town within the hour.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 26, 2022 12:47 PM (trdmm)

Mossad typically uses a four-man death squad. Two for the hit, two for support. Sometimes they stay in town for days though. Whenever the time is right, they go home.

Posted by: @TheRealWilliamHayes at May 26, 2022 12:49 PM (FIJ+3)

399 I saw one of Hitler's paintings; I can't paint nearly as well. I guess that makes me worse than Hitler.

I vaguely recall the reason they didn't let him into art school wasn't that he lacked basic talent but that he wasn't "creative" enough.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 26, 2022 12:49 PM (ESjRY)

400 Liotta was great in Goodfellas, but I always remember him most in Copland, a really underrated movie.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2022 12:49 PM (KZzsI)

401 When seconds count, the police are 40 minutes away.

Posted by: Hunter's Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer at May 26, 2022 12:49 PM (l7udz)

402 AKA, an MRAP.

right. smart military blog and all that

Posted by: brak at May 26, 2022 12:49 PM (j5Tg0)

403 Who was that guy on 911 who said “Let’s roll” and got the other men on the flight to take out the hijackers? Todd Beamer? That’s what real men do when confronted with homicidal lunatics.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 26, 2022 12:36 PM (JQr//)

------------
Good thing there wasn't an air marshall on board. I'm sure he would have kept them in check and told them to let the professionals handle the situation.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at May 26, 2022 12:49 PM (TNyrE)

404 >>> 286 I don't understand how the killer was able to get into the school. In order to enter my grandkid's elementary school you have to be buzzed through two sets of doors. All doors are locked.


I don't get it, either. My high school backed up to one of the shittiest apartment complexes in the are. Gangs, drugs, all food-stamp housing. Our campus was wide open, from the parking lot to open quad to the lockers to the classrooms -- just open space, with nothing to slow anyone down but three speed bumps off the street.

And yet in 50 years, not a single shooting, stabbing, or death.

It's not the security of the system or the response time of the cops. It's that people are universally shittier now than they were in 1980.

Posted by: red speck at May 26, 2022 12:49 PM (gS3OW)

405 @393

>>Ray Liota will always be Shoeless Joe to me.


Hey dad, you want to have a catch?

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 26, 2022 12:49 PM (X9a7i)

406 "IQ contest: Baked potato >>>> Afghan Hound."

I knew a Blue Heeler who could solve ODE's. Smart breed.

Posted by: Preparing gp For Lazy Loading at May 26, 2022 12:49 PM (qpX6U)

407 Just saw that Israel has told Washington that it took out an Iranian Revolutionary Guard official in the middle of Tehran - Iranians are pissed of course, but they're always pissed, so what. I gotta admit I admire the professional style Mossad uses, very simple and direct. Target was in his car, near his house. A motorcycle races up, both riders with full helmets and leather jackets, so no ID possible. They empty their pistols into the car simultaneously, then take off into traffic and disapear. Very fast, very elegant.

And this is only speculation, but I would imagine that a well planned operation would have the motorcycle pull up into a panel van a few blocks away, and the van would leave town within the hour.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 26, 2022 12:47 PM (trdmm)

Jah, that's a common assassination tactic.

Last time I think it was a solo rider with a folding stock AK.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 12:49 PM (XvPQV)

408 I vaguely recall the reason they didn't let him into art school wasn't that he lacked basic talent but that he wasn't "creative" enough.

From what I saw of his paintings, he had skill, but not talent. He could do the raw mechanics of painting but had no artistic ability.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2022 12:50 PM (KZzsI)

409 Still think that when the music stops these assholes aren't going to take everything they can for themselves?

Bank on it.

I'm officially done with "back the blue." Blue needs to do some house-cleaning and get some self-awareness. Fuck any environment that leads to shit like this.

Posted by: Oldstoke at May 26, 2022 12:50 PM (sb+Cg)

410 Cops were outgunned. Going against an assault rifle with handguns would be suicidal. Gotta confiscate all ARs. It's the only solution.

Posted by: Sid at May 26, 2022 12:50 PM (i3UcN)

411 Yes.. with children he shot like fish in a barrel

Posted by: It's me donna



Children he apparently shot so many times that they could only be identified with DNA evidence.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 26, 2022 12:50 PM (Q9YUL)

412 Target was in his car, near his house. A motorcycle races up, both riders with full helmets and leather jackets, so no ID possible. They empty their pistols into the car simultaneously, then take off into traffic and disapear. Very fast, very elegant.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 26, 2022 12:47 PM (trdmm)

Reminds me of a scene from one of the Borne Movies.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 26, 2022 12:50 PM (oHd/0)

413 Ray Liotta---his Goodfellas performance was the ur-inspiration for the entire "Karen!" meme that is still in use...

Posted by: JoeF. at May 26, 2022 12:50 PM (mR6Gs)

414 Just now seeing this. It is horrific.
Wolves
Sheep dogs
Sheep

Posted by: Diogenes at May 26, 2022 12:50 PM (anj39)

415 The whole debacle could have been stopped by a kindergarten teacher armed and trained. Just saying.
Posted by: tcn in AK
___

Problem is, most teachers nowadays are too crazy to handle a spork, much less a gun.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at May 26, 2022 12:50 PM (NhLwH)

416 >>>Retraining, and free ham and eggs for life.

>Sounds like a good deal, as long as I can ignore the responsibilities I swore to uphold when I took an oath.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 26, 2022 12:50 PM (BP3/z)

417 What else should happen would likely (rightly!) get me banned, so I'll stop there.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at May 26, 2022 12:02 PM (N1tpc)


Saying that exact same thing got me banned on twatter.

Posted by: clutch cargo - Now fortified with CPM-S90V at May 26, 2022 12:51 PM (qFarZ)

418 410 Cops were outgunned. Going against an assault rifle with handguns would be suicidal. Gotta confiscate all ARs. It's the only solution.
Posted by: Sid at May 26, 2022 12:50 PM (i3UcN)

/looks at pictures of Cops with AR's...

Uhhhh...

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 26, 2022 12:51 PM (oHd/0)

419 Cops were outgunned. Going against an assault rifle with handguns would be suicidal.

Meh. A bullet is a bullet, 12 cops vs one guy = dead guy. Maybe some dead cops but I am confident they could find a way to minimize casualties. Use cover, use line of sight, etc.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2022 12:51 PM (KZzsI)

420 I wonder if he thinks the 13th Amendment is absolute?
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 26, 2022 12:30 PM

I wonder how he feels about the 25th.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 26, 2022 12:51 PM (GwxCX)

421 Since we are talking about Moon NAZIs and other fake alternate history from the Bezos Post...if Hitler gets taken out in say '32 by a time traveling Einstein...do we get Soviet Europe in the 50s?

Posted by: 18-1 at May 26, 2022 12:51 PM (ESjRY)

422 Fuck off, troll

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 12:51 PM (XvPQV)

423
That's crazy talk.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 12:43 PM (XvPQV)



I......I don't know what I was thinking.

I sincerely apologize and won't let such a mistake happen again.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 26, 2022 12:52 PM (7Q7Ca)

424 Wolfus: the vet ref is bc too many animal rescues have to deal w ppl taking dogs/cats for bait animals. It really isn't a reflection on you, just the evil times in which we live.
Posted by: EveR at May 26, 2022


***
I figured something like that. But what if you're new to adopting a pet and/or have not visited a vet in a very long time?

At least these people have not mentioned or sent me some multi-page application form. Yet.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 26, 2022 12:52 PM (txdEq)

425 419 Cops were outgunned. Going against an assault rifle with handguns would be suicidal.

Meh. A bullet is a bullet, 12 cops vs one guy = dead guy. Maybe some dead cops but I am confident they could find a way to minimize casualties. Use cover, use line of sight, etc.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 26, 2022 12:51 PM (KZzsI)

What increased the level of difficulty was that he was wearing body armor. At least that what I heard.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 26, 2022 12:52 PM (ynpvh)

426 @333, lemme guess, you're a cop.

If you're standing there while there's actively shots going on worried about procedure and protocol then fuck you. I'll be happy to lynch ya.

Posted by: Citizen Freeman at May 26, 2022 12:52 PM (Z5QBe)

427 POST cop training promotes group think.
Kids died because of zero initiative.

Posted by: torabora at May 26, 2022 12:52 PM (Y274z)

428
OT: In the sidebar, Ray Liotta RIP. 67, in his sleep.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 26, 2022 12:52 PM (s2VJv)

429 399 I saw one of Hitler's paintings; I can't paint nearly as well. I guess that makes me worse than Hitler.

I vaguely recall the reason they didn't let him into art school wasn't that he lacked basic talent but that he wasn't "creative" enough.
-----------------
The reason he was not accepted was he couldn't paint humans and animals. He just painted urban landscapes - buildings mostly. Basically, he was an Edward Hopper without using light well.

Posted by: Puddinhead at May 26, 2022 12:52 PM (xSnmX)

430
Wait, there were Nazis around in the late 50's? Musta been MOON Nazis.

Surf Nazis

Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 26, 2022 12:52 PM (JEPbH)

431 Sad about Ray Liotta. I wonder if he had a physical for the insurance for the movie he was working on, or maybe it was too low-budget for things like insuring the actors?

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB at May 26, 2022 12:52 PM (MvHI3)

432 Moderna had to throw away 30 million "vaccine" doses the other day, because they weren't selling and Moderna couldn't give them away.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB
----------------------
I think that Moderna should have disposed of those vaxxes by injecting them into Bill Gates. One vaxx per day and a booster every day for the rest of his life.

Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 12:52 PM (Iq9dF)

433 Posted by: Sid at May 26, 2022 12:50 PM (i3UcN)


You DICK!!!!

Posted by: Jeff Spicoli at May 26, 2022 12:52 PM (7Q7Ca)

434 I am in the middle of renewing my NYC handgun permit. Paperwork has all been submitted and paid a non refundable $340 fee.

I wonder if the shootings in Buffalo and now Uvalde might effect it being renewed.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 26, 2022 12:52 PM (qoLdL)

435 397 The whole debacle could have been stopped by a kindergarten teacher armed and trained. Just saying.

_______________________

You need a good dose of Libs of Tik-Tok.

You're seriously suggesting that the rainbow-headed genderqueer otherkin crowd is capable of protecting the lambs from the slaughter?

Good morning!

Out: The Thin Blue Line

In: The Thin Blue-Hair Line

Posted by: That Bot Over There at May 26, 2022 12:53 PM (1dzqn)

436 "Copland, a really underrated movie."

Who doesn't like Copland? Find them and demand an explanation.

Posted by: Preparing gp For Lazy Loading at May 26, 2022 12:53 PM (qpX6U)

437 WaPo senior editor reminds us that the AR-15 was invented for Nazi infantrymen in the late 1950s

https://tinyurl.com/yeypf3y3

Posted by: rhennigantx




The "AR-15 . . . is a descendent of the machine guns the Nazis used to fight the Russians in World War 2." Um. No it isn't.

Talk about connecting the dots. All guns made after 1945 were therefore "made for the Nazis" according to this freak's "logic". What a lunatic.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 26, 2022 12:53 PM (Q9YUL)

438 were that Junior-ette's school, and cops would not let me in, and my baby girl died. cop that stopped me is gonna die too. these worthess pieces of shit LEO cowards need to get the eff out of the way if they refuse to execute their duty.
Posted by: BifBewalski @ (UgAdJ) - at May 26, 2022 12:07 PM (UgAdJ)


I'm with ya Bif.
Every one of those LEOs...EVERY ONE needs to turn in their badge. And they'd better move.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 26, 2022 12:53 PM (anj39)

439 430
Wait, there were Nazis around in the late 50's? Musta been MOON Nazis.

Surf Nazis

Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 26, 2022 12:52 PM (JEPbH)

They must die!

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 26, 2022 12:53 PM (ynpvh)

440 Surf Nazis must die

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 26, 2022 12:53 PM (VHsUC)

441 Sid: COPS ARE OUTGUNNED!!!!!!!


Also Sid: THE POLICE ARE MILITARIZED!!!!!!


Fuck off, Sid. Stop jacking it to your mother's high school photo.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 26, 2022 12:54 PM (7Q7Ca)

442 358 Cops are under no legal obligation to protect anyone.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 26, 2022 12:44 PM (ESjRY)

True, which is why we should be able to conceal carry at all times. You cannot count on the cops to save your life.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 26, 2022 12:48 PM (qoLdL)
===

I assume they won't but will always give me a ticket to rape my wallet.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 26, 2022 12:54 PM (iDcra)

443 358. This is a tired take. Everyone knows there is no legal obligation for a cop to die for me. It has nothing to do with ridiculing the clear cowardice to do anything but tackle a dad trying to save his child.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at May 26, 2022 12:54 PM (rBAkF)

444 Plenty of cops with scary rifles in that video, Sid, you galactically-stupid fuck.

Posted by: spindrift at May 26, 2022 12:54 PM (h5TKJ)

445 And you'd have the freedom to move. You can't move to escape a federal law, though. Shall not be infringed = no federal input or concern.

The 10th Amendment exists for a reason. I can't move to escape the tyranny of a federal law that assumes my hunting property in NC should be treated the same as a block of skyscrapers in New Jersey.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 26, 2022 12:45 PM (C23gB)

Certain issues shouldn't be by state, like ther ones granted in the constitution.

States shouldn't be allowed to say "all safety during this state is dictated by the state," as Dem controlled states want to do. Especially since they continuously ignore that task by not prosecuting career criminals.

It also is , and i hate to use the term, a little privileged to think people can just up and move their lives because they want the freedoms our constitution promises. Jobs, money, and family shouldn't cause you to lose your rights because they keep you in a state that is illegally barring you from those rights.

Posted by: Rbastid at May 26, 2022 12:54 PM (BDBlI)

446 410 Cops were outgunned. Going against an assault rifle with handguns would be suicidal. Gotta confiscate all ARs. It's the only solution.
Posted by: Sid at May 26, 2022 12:50 PM (i3UcN)


Let's first confiscate all weapons illegally owned by criminals. Then let's confiscate criminals. And then the Leftists whose policies created the criminals by destroying the family and morality for the past 60 years.

AR's? Not so much.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 26, 2022 12:54 PM (s2VJv)

447 I think that Moderna should have disposed of those vaxxes by injecting them into Bill Gates. One vaxx per day and a booster every day for the rest of his life.

The FNM tells me they are 100% safe so...why not?

Also the FNM says make sure you are observed for 15m after the jab to see if you have a stroke and that for the love of Gaia do not elevate your heartrate in any way for at least 2 days after the jab.

But...perfectly safe!

Posted by: 18-1 at May 26, 2022 12:54 PM (ESjRY)

448 Cops went in after BP took down shooter? Is that right?

Posted by: BignJames at May 26, 2022 12:54 PM (AwYPR)

449 What increased the level of difficulty was that he was wearing body armor. At least that what I heard.

Posted by: jim
----------------
Apparently a plate carrier but no plates. This is increasingly common among the spree killers but from my recollection, none have actually been wearing body armor. In a twisted way, it makes sense as the spree killers actually want to die--but want to take as many innocents as they can before they end themselves or others do it for them.

Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 12:55 PM (Iq9dF)

450 Not sure how old you are, but all the Cops when I was growing up, were Vets.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 26, 2022 12:45 PM (oHd/0)

When i grew up most of the cops were Italian or Irish and were serious Catholics. Some were vets, some weren't. A few were assholes--or seemed so to us kids. ALL of them would have rushed into that school, whether their kids were in there or not.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 26, 2022 12:55 PM (mR6Gs)

451 What increased the level of difficulty was that he was wearing body armor. At least that what I heard.
---------------
I doubt he had ballistic armor. That is excessively expensive. He likelly had some old Kevlar that protects against shrapnel not bullets. As Chris pointed out, quantity has a quality all its own. Rush him and shoot him. This is what you do.

Posted by: Puddinhead at May 26, 2022 12:55 PM (xSnmX)

452 Problem is, most teachers nowadays are too crazy to handle a spork, much less a gun.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at May 26, 2022 12:50 PM (NhLwH)

But hey, let's talk about the teacher's sexual perversion and lack of basic knowledge.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at May 26, 2022 12:55 PM (LOVUx)

453 What increased the level of difficulty was that he was wearing body armor. At least that what I heard.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 26, 2022 12:52 PM (ynpvh)

Apparently (subject to revision) it was a plate carrier with no plates.

I will add that, as a dumbass civilian, I was trained that if a Mozambique didn't drop a bad guy, to start shooting the hips. I would hope that the local cops would be trained to my unprofessional level....but apparently not.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 12:55 PM (XvPQV)

454 I'm promoting the moon-hoax conspiracy theory just to goad them to return.

I had a meme of the moon landing saying "They did this with a slide-rule" and a young person asked me about the hoax ... he thought that a slide-rule was a special effect.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 26, 2022 12:55 PM (44ww/)

455 Ok, Sid. Come confiscate my AR.

Posted by: RI Red at May 26, 2022 12:55 PM (blmVn)

456 What increased the level of difficulty was that he was wearing body armor. At least that what I heard.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)



Plate carrier with no plates.

And the plate carrier didn't cover his hands, arms, legs, heads, crotch, feet, etc. Shoot at him until he stops moving.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 26, 2022 12:55 PM (Q9YUL)

457 BabylonBee:

Nancy Pelosi Draws Up Articles Of Impeachment Against The Pope


*stole my joke...

Posted by: runner at May 26, 2022 12:55 PM (F1vmP)

458 Mitsubishi = Zero Fighter

BMW = Field cars; halftracks, FW-190 and Bomber engines

IG Farben = Zykon B; Bayer aspirin

The list goes on and on.

Posted by: Archer at May 26, 2022 12:56 PM (gmo/4)

459 "Cops went in after BP took down shooter? Is that right?"

Prolly be months before we get the actual detailed timeline on this.

Posted by: Please Place The gp In The Bag at May 26, 2022 12:56 PM (qpX6U)

460 Police protecting the sanctity of a designated/posted serial killer hunting preserve.

Posted by: geoffb at May 26, 2022 12:56 PM (r//c2)

461 POST cop training promotes group think.
Kids died because of zero initiative.
Posted by: torabora at May 26, 2022 12:52 PM (Y274z)


Goes back to CBS's earlier comments about chaos.
One positive about living in a chaotic world such as we have. It teaches initiative. It teaches adaptability. It teaches agility of thought and action.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 26, 2022 12:56 PM (anj39)

462 Apparently a plate carrier but no plates. This is increasingly common among the spree killers but from my recollection, none have actually been wearing body armor. In a twisted way, it makes sense as the spree killers actually want to die--but want to take as many innocents as they can before they end themselves or others do it for them.
Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 12:55 PM (Iq9dF)


Honestly I think they do it because a plate carrier with the MOLLE loops makes them look all tactical and shit while having plates is more than their scrawny frames can handle.

Posted by: blaster at May 26, 2022 12:56 PM (9VeU0)

463 You know what I mean -- the armored military vehicle that small town police forces love to buy
Posted by: brak at May 26, 2022 12:46 PM

Well it's not like they could have used one to breech the building. Don't wanna scratch the paint with the 4th of July parade right around the corner.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 26, 2022 12:56 PM (GwxCX)

464 Johns Hopkins university students have come up with edible tape, to keep your burrito together while you eat.

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Some men see things as they are and ask why. Others dream things that never were and ask why not.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 26, 2022 12:57 PM (FVME7)

465 The whole debacle could have been stopped by a kindergarten teacher armed and trained.


They are trained, tested and certified to teach and rarely accomplish that beyond a 40% level of success.

I'm guessing the rate of success in a live fire situation is gonna be even lower.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at May 26, 2022 12:57 PM (eovkY)

466 I find it hard to believe that nothing was happening while these parents were out there. I think these cops were to keep everyone back while the other cops were doing their thing. Yea 40 minutes is a long time but if you don't know where the dude is it takes awhile.

Posted by: Jaimo at May 26, 2022 12:57 PM (DBrN4)

467 It might be an unsolvable problem. Police have no affirmative obligation to protect or defend people and there aren't enough competent and stable teachers that arming them is a viable answer. I think prohibitions on teacher arms should be eliminated, but they're also not good as a group.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 26, 2022 12:57 PM (hsGnm)

468 The "AR-15 . . . is a descendent of the machine guns the Nazis used to fight the Russians in World War 2." Um. No it isn't.

Talk about connecting the dots. All guns made after 1945 were therefore "made for the Nazis" according to this freak's "logic". What a lunatic.
Posted by: Sharkman at May 26, 2022 12:53 PM (Q9YUL)

wow, so John Browning, the Inventor of the BAR (Browning Automatic Rifle) which was the direct ancestor of just about every AR... was a NAZI?

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 26, 2022 12:57 PM (oHd/0)

469 The Soviet AK-47 is a descendant of the Sturmgewhar-44.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 26, 2022 12:57 PM (VHsUC)

470
The Thin Cordon Bleu Line . . .

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 26, 2022 12:57 PM (s2VJv)

471 heard twas a tacktikewl looking plate carrier only.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at May 26, 2022 12:57 PM (0mUYx)

472 Yes Sid, all those cops had were just.38s and 9mms and had no chance and no better weapons against one shooter with an "assault rifle"...you fuckin' dolt.

Posted by: Thrawn at May 26, 2022 12:57 PM (Rl7KJ)

473 460 Police protecting the sanctity of a designated/posted serial killer hunting preserve.

Posted by: geoffb at May 26, 2022 12:56 PM (r//c2)

Techincally a mass murderer. Serial killers do it one-at-a-time over a longer period of time, not at a single event.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 26, 2022 12:57 PM (ynpvh)

474 I can guarantee you that when i was a kid the local cops would have RUSHED in if this was going on

Something changed. Being a police officer USED to be a calling. Now it's a career choice for some. Pussies.
Posted by: JoeF. at May 26, 2022 12:41 PM (mR6Gs)

Not sure how old you are, but all the Cops when I was growing up, were Vets.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 26, 2022 12:45 PM


I would say it is about 85%+ around here. I can think of only one Deputy Sheriff that I know that was never in the military.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at May 26, 2022 12:57 PM (bVYXr)

475 I went to squat school for 40 years. Training takes over. Sqwat.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at May 26, 2022 12:57 PM (nzXS7)

476 I'm stunned; this is completely against the accepted doctrine of how to deal with active shooters.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at May 26, 2022 12:57 PM (YQ4mh)

477 "AMRAP"

"Augmented MRAP". Has special shocks, struts and tires to be able to withstand the weight of all the 400 pound special forces wannabes it has to haul around.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 26, 2022 12:58 PM (Q9YUL)

478
Wait, there were Nazis around in the late 50's? Musta been MOON Nazis.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 26, 2022 12:42 PM (oHd/0)


M-O-O-N. That spells Reichssicherheitshauptamt.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 26, 2022 12:58 PM (n+4am)

479
The Tiger tank is just an AR-15 on treads.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
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Buzz bomb? Yeah, that thing that goes up.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 26, 2022 12:58 PM (ug8TC)

480 464 Johns Hopkins university students have come up with edible tape, to keep your burrito together while you eat.

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Some men see things as they are and ask why. Others dream things that never were and ask why not.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, That's AnonosaurX WrX, hater! at May 26, 2022 12:57 PM (FVME7)

You fold the burrito right when you make it, hold it with your HANDS. Gee, what wimps.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 26, 2022 12:58 PM (ynpvh)

481 403. Good point.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 26, 2022 12:59 PM (JQr//)

482 The "AR-15 . . . is a descendent of the machine guns the Nazis used to fight the Russians in World War 2." Um. No it isn't.

Talk about connecting the dots. All guns made after 1945 were therefore "made for the Nazis" according to this freak's "logic". What a lunatic.
Posted by: Sharkman at May 26, 2022 12:53 PM (Q9YUL)
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Guns are bad. AR-15s are super bad. Nazis are super bad. Therefore, AR-15s are nazi.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 26, 2022 12:59 PM (hsGnm)

483 The "AR-15 . . . is a descendent of the machine guns the Nazis used to fight the Russians in World War 2." Um. No it isn't.

Talk about connecting the dots. All guns made after 1945 were therefore "made for the Nazis" according to this freak's "logic". What a lunatic. Posted by: Sharkman
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Umm no. Gas impingement of the AR came from Ljungman action which was Swedish and used in Swede's semi auto actions for a time. The STG-44's main descendant was the AK-47 and arguably the SKS's was a cross between the Garand and some less successful German semi autos.

But, SMG's which predated the assault rifle and just as deadly at short range came from WWI and were improved during the interwar period.

Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 12:59 PM (Iq9dF)

484 Haven't read comments.

That video - do we know the timing? That's everything. That much force on the scene, *during* the event - unless there were even more police/etc aggressively trying to end the situation - would be prima facie evidence of historic police failure.

If the video was from just after the event, then while sickening, it's completely understandable and normal.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 26, 2022 12:59 PM (OTzUX)

485 It has nothing to do with ridiculing the clear cowardice to do anything but tackle a dad trying to save his child.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at May 26, 2022 12:54 PM (rBAkF)


Its a shitty position, because if the cops let those parents inside, and the parents were killed, they probably would have been held responsible for their deaths since thru didn't stop them.

Likewise if the cops busted in and the shooter killed any more kids, we'd see headlines like "cops brash actions cause more deaths. "

The cops shouldn't have to think this way, they should want to rush in and save children, but they aren't ignorant to the last year's of demonization, where every action they take will be portrayed as the wrong action.

Posted by: Rbastid at May 26, 2022 12:59 PM (BDBlI)

486
What increased the level of difficulty was that he was wearing body armor. At least that what I heard.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 26, 2022 12:52 PM (ynpvh)
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That was initially reported but that was false. No armor.

Posted by: Black JEM at May 26, 2022 12:59 PM (LyTO1)

487 wow, so John Browning, the Inventor of the BAR (Browning Automatic Rifle) which was the direct ancestor of just about every AR... was a NAZI?

Posted by: Romeo13



Of course. That's obvious just from the fact that "AR" is also in "BAR".

Posted by: Sharkman at May 26, 2022 12:59 PM (Q9YUL)

488 The FNM: If you want to have a gun you can become a cop! Private citizens don't need them.

Also the FNM: Police followed protocol today and made sure to form a cordon around the suspected mass shooting area. They did not need to use their service weapons.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 26, 2022 01:00 PM (ESjRY)

489 On this day in 1963, Mickey Mantle barely missed becoming the first player to hit a homer out of Yankee Stadium, with the ball hitting just a few feet below the top of the frieze in right-field.

Posted by: SMOD at May 26, 2022 01:00 PM (RHGPo)

490 I thought "rushing in instead of waiting" was a key lesson from columbine and parkland?

Posted by: sockamster-rookie poster at May 26, 2022 01:00 PM (OuH7W)

491 Wow, sad to read about Ray Liotta. I always liked him. And...Deniro *spit* lives on.

Posted by: Lady in Black at May 26, 2022 01:00 PM (sVtYq)

492 "Johns Hopkins university students have come up with edible tape"

What took them so long? Back when I was a kid, we had edible seaweed tape. Ideal side dish with cuttlefish. Late or not, I'll try the JHU tape. YOLO.

Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at May 26, 2022 01:00 PM (qpX6U)

493 Make the cops shoot you in the back trying to save your child.

Holy shit, cops did not earn any points on this clusterF8ck.

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 26, 2022 01:00 PM (DcKNO)

494 So AMRAP is for Meal Team Six?

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 26, 2022 01:00 PM (VHsUC)

495 Police are not legally obligated to confront a shooter.

They are, however TRAINED to engage the assailant and PROTECT THE PEOPLE.

They failed in Florida and they failed here.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 26, 2022 01:00 PM (7Q7Ca)

496 462 Apparently a plate carrier but no plates. This is increasingly common among the spree killers but from my recollection, none have actually been wearing body armor. In a twisted way, it makes sense as the spree killers actually want to die--but want to take as many innocents as they can before they end themselves or others do it for them.
Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 12:55 PM (Iq9dF)

Honestly I think they do it because a plate carrier with the MOLLE loops makes them look all tactical and shit while having plates is more than their scrawny frames can handle.
Posted by: blaster at May 26, 2022 12:56 PM (9VeU0)



Are they usually right there for sale when they are buying their guns? So maybe that's why, and pockets for extra magazines?

Posted by: buzzion at May 26, 2022 01:00 PM (vMCab)

497 It also is , and i hate to use the term, a little privileged to think people can just up and move their lives because they want the freedoms our constitution promises. Jobs, money, and family shouldn't cause you to lose your rights because they keep you in a state that is illegally barring you from those rights.
Posted by: Rbastid at May 26, 2022 12:54 PM (BDBlI)

*

Don't misunderstand. I know it's a huge burden. All I'm saying is that it's possible.

You can't move away from a federal ban.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 26, 2022 01:00 PM (Elpht)

498 458 Mitsubishi = Zero Fighter

BMW = Field cars; halftracks, FW-190 and Bomber engines

IG Farben = Zykon B; Bayer aspirin

______________________

Let's not forget Hugo Boss. The Nazis may have been fascist monsters, but they looked damn good doing it.

Posted by: That Bot Over There at May 26, 2022 01:00 PM (1dzqn)

499 What increased the level of difficulty was that he was wearing body armor. At least that what I heard.

Posted by: jim


The body armor issue is stupid. So what? Hit the armor with a 9mm or a 45 and guess what, its probably going to knock him on his ass. It will certainly disrupt his aim. So you keep shooting. Advance and shoot...audacity. Keep shooting.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 26, 2022 01:01 PM (anj39)

500 @282 NY cops are notoriously bad shots, maybe TX cops are too?

Oh, I would not say so.

https://tinyurl.com/yckp3c98

Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 26, 2022 01:01 PM (videA)

501 I will add that, as a dumbass civilian, I was trained that if a Mozambique didn't drop a bad guy, to start shooting the hips. I would hope that the local cops would be trained to my unprofessional level....but apparently not.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 12:55 PM (XvPQV)

I always start shooting low, for 3 reasons. 1, stress tends to make me shoot high. 2, Muzzle rise will bring subsequent rounds on target. 3, I was generally using a shot gun, and taking out someone's knees or crotch would drop them just about as fast as a head shot.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 26, 2022 01:01 PM (oHd/0)

502 485. 40 minutes.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at May 26, 2022 01:01 PM (rBAkF)

503 To self-protect and self-serve.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at May 26, 2022 01:01 PM (lf83v)

504 28 Local cops failed, but I'll note the Border Patrol went in and ended the tiny penis dead killer.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at May 26, 2022 12:06 PM (XvPQV)


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Absolutely.

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 26, 2022 01:01 PM (DcKNO)

505 >>>397 The whole debacle could have been stopped by a kindergarten teacher armed and trained. Just saying.


The whole debacle could have been prevented had Ramos' mother kept her knees together. Or if his father actually stuck around and raised his kid to be a decent human being. Or if we hadn't given up on teaching kids civility and accountability.

Whole lotta "what ifs" here to get through before we arrive at arming kindergarten teachers.

Posted by: red speck at May 26, 2022 01:01 PM (gS3OW)

506 287 WaPo senior editor reminds us that the AR-15 was invented for Nazi infantrymen in the late 1950s

https://tinyurl.com/yeypf3y3
Posted by: rhennigantx



First they bombed Pearl Harbor and then invented the AR-15 to conquer Grenada!!

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at May 26, 2022 01:01 PM (LQjWA)

507 They are, however TRAINED to engage the assailant and PROTECT THE PEOPLE.

They failed in Florida and they failed here.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 26, 2022 01:00 PM (7Q7Ca)
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They might be trained, but they're not obligated.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 26, 2022 01:02 PM (hsGnm)

508 485. 40 minutes.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at May 26, 2022 01:01 PM

And he was allegedly confronted before he entered the building. WTF.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 26, 2022 01:02 PM (GwxCX)

509 That video - do we know the timing? That's everything. That much force on the scene, *during* the event - unless there were even more police/etc aggressively trying to end the situation - would be prima facie evidence of historic police failure.

If the video was from just after the event, then while sickening, it's completely understandable and normal.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 26, 2022 12:59 PM (OTzUX)

Yeah this is going around with almost no context.

For all we know there were cops trying to get in, and these cops were basically just there for crowd control.

Haven't we learned in the last few years how videos like this end up being incorrect 99% of the time, and are put out for the sole purpose of hiring people through distortions.

Posted by: Rbastid at May 26, 2022 01:02 PM (BDBlI)

510 Jobs, money, and family shouldn't cause you to lose your rights because they keep you in a state that is illegally barring you from those rights.
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And yet, here we are.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at May 26, 2022 01:02 PM (NhLwH)

511 The Thompson submachine gun was the real source of the German MPs.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 26, 2022 01:02 PM (iDcra)

512 397 The whole debacle could have been stopped by a kindergarten teacher armed and trained. Just saying.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at May 26, 2022 12:48 PM (LOVUx)
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All the Kook teachers make it to the news but I think most teachers are like those two ladies who put themselves in front of the children.

and yes, every competent teacher an armed teacher

Posted by: Braenyard at May 26, 2022 01:03 PM (vPDt3)

513 Let's first confiscate all weapons illegally owned by criminals. Then let's confiscate criminals. And then the Leftists whose policies created the criminals by destroying the family and morality for the past 60 years.

AR's? Not so much.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton


This is actually a great plan. Confiscate all of the weapons of felons who have them. They know all of the felons who have been convicted. Then sentence the felons to 5 years in the pen. After the five years are up, we can talk about confiscating ARs. Crime would drop so much in the five years, there would be no need to go further.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 26, 2022 01:03 PM (lTGtQ)

514 Honestly I think they do it because a plate carrier with the MOLLE loops makes them look all tactical and shit while having plates is more than their scrawny frames can handle.

Posted by: blaster
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Maybe. Hard to get a representative mental sample of spree killers as they tend to be selected out of the data pool.

I do think that was part of the slow roll out by the cops as they probably blamed the guy wearing body armor rather than poor aim for missing him from the truck to the school.

Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 01:03 PM (Iq9dF)

515 fucking tacticowards

Posted by: x at May 26, 2022 01:03 PM (uQFwj)

516 If a shooter is opposed in any way, it saves lives.
Throw a chair, open up a fire extinguisher, throw a hot pot of coffee.
Literally anything and everything.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at May 26, 2022 01:03 PM (jTmQV)

517 "It might be an unsolvable problem."

Yeah, I don't know how to solve it. Evil will always find the soft targets. If they can't get guns, they'll just use jerrycans of gasoline, or machetes, or whatever.

Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at May 26, 2022 01:03 PM (qpX6U)

518 I'm not convinced I wouldn't have been in by truck crashing through the front doors.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 26, 2022 12:16 PM (PVm6k)

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Yes. Because there is no fucking way any of us with kids would stand there with the cops waiting...for what? ffs.

Posted by: Seems Legit at May 26, 2022 01:03 PM (DcKNO)

519 511 The Thompson submachine gun was the real source of the German MPs.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 26, 2022 01:02 PM (iDcra)

And later, in the 80's the Thompson Twins had some good music hits.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 26, 2022 01:03 PM (ynpvh)

520 Nood Obama on George Floyd

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at May 26, 2022 01:04 PM (ynpvh)

521 The AR in AR-15 stands for American Revolution.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at May 26, 2022 01:04 PM (lf83v)

522 nood


TFG

Posted by: banana Dream at May 26, 2022 01:04 PM (QzpS1)

523 Hitler paintings. High back occasional chairs were popular in the asshole's painting career era, and many were decorated on the back with paintings, mostly still life. Supposedly, being hard up because he wasn't much of an artist, Adolph would paint these for furniture dealers. Sought after by collectors of mass murderer artwork.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 26, 2022 01:04 PM (lz5hY)

524 This is actually a great plan. Confiscate all of the weapons of felons who have them. They know all of the felons who have been convicted. Then sentence the felons to 5 years in the pen. After the five years are up, we can talk about confiscating ARs. Crime would drop so much in the five years, there would be no need to go further.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 26, 2022 01:03 PM (lTGtQ)



You will then be randomly charged with a felony and your guns taken.

If you're declared innocent, your guns have already been destroyed, so sincere apologies will be provided at a future date to be determined.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at May 26, 2022 01:04 PM (7Q7Ca)

525 Noodus jugearius

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 26, 2022 01:04 PM (txdEq)

526 287 WaPo senior editor reminds us that the AR-15 was invented for Nazi infantrymen in the late 1950s

https://tinyurl.com/yeypf3y3
Posted by: rhennigantx



And the earlier AR-10 was invented for Imperial Japanese infantrymen!

Posted by: WaPo Brainiacs at May 26, 2022 01:05 PM (+i+4N)

527 Wolfus, a lot of the shelters do home virtual tours, just to make sure you do have a home for pups. That they are only asking for a vet ref sounds like they trust you already. Congratulations on the new addition and it's so great you are adopting.

Posted by: EveR at May 26, 2022 01:05 PM (MUpk6)

528 All the Kook teachers make it to the news but I think most teachers are like those two ladies who put themselves in front of the children.

and yes, every competent teacher an armed teacher


agreed

Posted by: brak at May 26, 2022 01:05 PM (j5Tg0)

529 Too bad the cops didn't have an armored vehicle and they needed a staff person with a fucking KEY to open a door. Of course they had one, but well, you know.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 26, 2022 01:05 PM (GwxCX)

530 Whole lotta "what ifs" here to get through before we arrive at arming kindergarten teachers.

Posted by: red speck
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It is easier for policy makers to think of one doable item with unknown effectiveness instead of fixing society.

Same reason that places like inner cities have become free fire zones or rioters have been given license to plunder and pillage.

Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 01:05 PM (Iq9dF)

531 You can't move away from a federal ban.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The cops were running to stop the parents instead of running to stop the shooter. at May 26, 2022 01:00 PM (Elpht)


I understand it on non- constitutional issues, say like abortion, drug legalization, prostitution (even though i have issues with all those things) but things like gun legislation, free speech, ect should be a federal law, as in they should be 100% legal everywhere with states not being allowed to touch them at all.

Posted by: Rbastid at May 26, 2022 01:05 PM (BDBlI)

532 There are multiple judges just itching to give the school shooter 3 years of probation, posthumously.

Posted by: X. Gorgonzola at May 26, 2022 01:06 PM (HI3xr)

533 And the earlier AR-10 was invented for Imperial Japanese infantrymen!

Posted by: WaPo Brainiacs
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In fairness, they did reverse engineer their own version of the Garand but had no way to produce it en masse.

Posted by: whig at May 26, 2022 01:06 PM (Iq9dF)

534 Since we are talking about Moon NAZIs and other fake alternate history from the Bezos Post...if Hitler gets taken out in say '32 by a time traveling Einstein...do we get Soviet Europe in the 50s?

Posted by: 18-1



Yep. Without Germany rearming in the 30s, Stalin would undoubtedly have invaded Central and Western Europe in the 40s and gone all the way to the Channel.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 26, 2022 01:06 PM (Q9YUL)

535 >>>516 If a shooter is opposed in any way, it saves lives. Throw a chair, open up a fire extinguisher, throw a hot pot of coffee. Literally anything and everything.


Made me recall that recent video on the NYC subway, where some psychotic black dude grabs a random woman's hair and she's silently begging for anyone to intervene, and the cellphone recorder keeps recording, the other ladies slip away, other (alleged) men look down at their shoes... it's disgusting. Do. Fucking. Something.

Posted by: red speck at May 26, 2022 01:07 PM (gS3OW)

536 Those cops should be fired and run out of town on rails.

Posted by: setnaffa at May 26, 2022 01:08 PM (gtYIl)

537 Haven't we learned in the last few years how videos like this end up being incorrect 99% of the time, and are put out for the sole purpose of hiring people through distortions.
Posted by: Rbastid

I will pose these questions for your digestion. One was it indeed a single, off duty BP officer who went in to end this tragedy? Two, if so, why was this their tactical response after 40 plus minutes?

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at May 26, 2022 01:08 PM (lXEIW)

538 Who manufactured Pervitin and Eukodol?
The meth and oxycodone of schicklegruber

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at May 26, 2022 01:09 PM (0mUYx)

539 This is actually a great plan. Confiscate all of the weapons of felons who have them. They know all of the felons who have been convicted. Then sentence the felons to 5 years in the pen. After the five years are up, we can talk about confiscating ARs. Crime would drop so much in the five years, there would be no need to go further.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 26, 2022 01:03 PM (lTGtQ)

This is part of why Soros prosecutors don't charge anyone, they want ther criminals to be allowed to have weapons so they can be the foot soldiers. If you just prosecuted people properly you can stop some bad people from getting guns (most will get them illegally)

Remember it was Obama in Illinois that stopped the legislature from making harsher gun penalties for people caught committing crimes with guns. He wanted all the drug dealers and street trash to only get petty theft and small drug charges, with the gun charges being dropped, because all those criminals looked like the son he might have had.

Posted by: Rbastid at May 26, 2022 01:09 PM (BDBlI)

540 Any cop that kept a parent from saving those children should be in prison for the rest of their lives.

Posted by: Lulu at May 26, 2022 01:09 PM (pkEJ7)

541 In 1998 I had a career change and threw my application in to the local Police Department in the town where I grew up. It was going to be my second career after over a decade in retail electronics. During the oral board, they asked why I would want to be a Cop. I stated plainly that I wanted to help my community. They looked both stunned and amused, which I found disturbing. They asked, to clarify, "You think police do good for communities?" I sat for a moment, realizing these weren't cops; they were bullies with badges, as I asked, "Are you familiar with the Social Contract?"

That pretty much ended the interview on the spot. I've never forgotten it. And I've never looked at a cop the same since.

Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at May 26, 2022 01:09 PM (AD14M)

542 511 The Thompson submachine gun was the real source of the German MPs.
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Nope. The Germans has the Schmizer. The Thompson and Schmizer both shot pistol rounds; .45 and 9mm, respectively. Originally, these were referred to as trench brooms in WWI. An assualt rifle uses rifle ammunition.

Posted by: Puddinhead at May 26, 2022 01:10 PM (xSnmX)

543 This totally knocked inflation and the border out of the news for a few days, didn't it?

Posted by: joefl65 at May 26, 2022 01:10 PM (FcrV3)

544 Just in case you forgot what a piece of shit I am, let me remind you.
Y'all be cool! Later!

Posted by: Ex President Cock Curious at May 26, 2022 01:11 PM (BqXLt)

545 19>>>WHILE shots were going off? With an active shooter IN THE SCHOOL?

I just don't know how to believe that. There has to be more to it than that. There has to be.

I have to agree here. Just as we should not be fooled by early reports of anything, I'd like to know more. I can't believe in this day and age Texas cops would just stand around without some kind of reason. If I'm proven wrong, so be it, but I don't think we should rush to conclusions here.

One thing is for sure, there seems to be no more Dirty Harry spirit. How many movies did he just go in alone to disrupt some robbery without waiting for anyone to tell him to do anything?

Posted by: Lex at May 26, 2022 01:13 PM (98qJM)

546 I understand how upset everyone is, I've shed so many tears, but, instead of believing the media BS I'm going to wait for more information. I'm not going to crucify the police or border patrol, who also had children and spouses in the school, until the truth comes out in full. It's been devastating to watch the snippets of videos but without a time line, you can make any assumption you want whether it's true or not. I guess I'm surprised by the vitriol without facts.

Posted by: Stellastwocents at May 26, 2022 01:14 PM (SVo1+)

547 Box O' Rocks vs. cops -- I'll take the box o' rocks. Much more effective; at least a small chance that one of them hits the perp and takes him out. Cops...not so much.

Posted by: FriscoYoda at May 26, 2022 01:14 PM (S7une)

548 Democrats want gun confiscation, and I'm 100% for it.

Take away all democrats' guns. When was the last time you heard of a church-going, law and order, hard-working, patriotic American going on a shooting spree?

Problem solved.

Posted by: red speck at May 26, 2022 01:16 PM (gS3OW)

549 Makes me sick to see police ready armed and standing there doing crowd control while children are being savaged within a few hundred yards. What do we have them around for? If not to control and stop murder. These sick fucking so called men are just Fucking sad. Get the fuck in the god damned school and stop the fucking problem. This is what makes me dislike our police. Haven't they learned by now. You can't wait! Act! Damnit. Act now. Be aggressive. Go! Innocents are being killed. Fuck!

Posted by: USNtakim deplorable, now with ultra maga at May 26, 2022 01:16 PM (0OmEj)

550 One was it indeed a single, off duty BP officer who went in to end this tragedy? Two, if so, why was this their tactical response after 40 plus minutes?

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at May 26, 2022

We know the BP agent killed the kid, but did he rush in after cops had already entered the building, and just happened to find the kid first while the cops were going by procedure clearing rooms 1 by 1?

When did this 40 minutes start? When the shooter entered? When he first shot someone? When police were called? When police showed up? How long does it take swat to mobilize? How far away is their location to the school?

If the 40 minutes stated when he entered, cops called 3 minutes later, it takes swat 5 minutes to mobilize (which would be short) and 20 minutes to get there, now that 40 minutes becomes 12. But based on where the school is they probably don't have a Swat team, so ther time to get there isn't like in NY or LA where there is one every mile always on standby.


The cops here might 100% be in the wrong, but considering how many of these cell phone videos are complete BS used to create a narrative.

Posted by: Rbastid at May 26, 2022 01:16 PM (BDBlI)

551 I guess I'm surprised by the vitriol without facts.
Posted by: Stellastwocents at May 26, 2022 01:14 PM (SVo1+)



Waiting for facts, or waiting for excuses that are believable that allows one to continue to have faith in yet another broken institution?

NOTHING justifies these tacti-cool assholes tazing or tackling parents while those little babies are being shot up by a maniac. They should have been in there, doing what the people trusted them to do, and if they can't, they should resign in shame and do work they can be honest about.

Posted by: Oldstoke at May 26, 2022 01:17 PM (sb+Cg)

552
Yeah, I don't know how to solve it. Evil will always find the soft targets. If they can't get guns, they'll just use jerrycans of gasoline, or machetes, or whatever.
Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at May 26, 2022 01:03 PM (qpX6U)


Bath School Massacre, in 1927. 44 dead, from bombs made with legal construction explosives placed by a dickless asshole school administrator as revenge for having lost a local election about a year before.

Cologne School Massacre, 1964. 11 dead, from a homemade flamethrower and spear made by another dickless asshole, in this case a sexual deviant who fantasized about kidnapping little girls.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 26, 2022 01:17 PM (n+4am)

553 394 Castle Rock v Gonzales, folks. Law enforcement can stand idly by while people get murdered, and its legally okay.

Dialing 911 to get rescued is Hollywood, not reality.

Posted by: callsign claymore at May 26, 2022 01:18 PM (Qsm6v)

554  Democrats want gun confiscation, and I'm 100% for it.

Take away all democrats' guns. When was the last time you heard of a church-going, law and order, hard-working, patriotic American going on a shooting spree?

Problem solved.

Posted by: red speck at May 26, 2022 01:16 PM (gS3OW)



I had that same thought earlier.

Want to theoretically get rid of 50% of ther countries guns? Well make a law saying if you vote Democrat on a federal level, you aren't allowed to have a gun. Why should you vote to outlaw guns but then be allowed to have one (To compromise with Dems I'll say people voting Republican shouldn't be allowed to have abortions)

Posted by: Rbastid at May 26, 2022 01:21 PM (BDBlI)

555 I have had, and still do have family and friends who are LEO. I generally am disgusted by the immediate jumping to conclusions in a officer involved incident. In this case, I think the questions I posed at 537 are highly relevant and, if true, damning.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at May 26, 2022 01:21 PM (lXEIW)

556 And if you start your rebuke, "In the Name of Jesus Christ, straighten up and fly right," you may get shot or stabbed anyway; but you will be awesome. And if you're a believer, the villain might be startled into ceasing his offenses and others nearby may be startled into helping the victims.

Posted by: setnaffa at May 26, 2022 01:24 PM (gtYIl)

557  I understand how upset everyone is, I've shed so many tears, but, instead of believing the media BS I'm going to wait for more information. I'm not going to crucify the police or border patrol, who also had children and spouses in the school, until the truth comes out in full. It's been devastating to watch the snippets of videos but without a time line, you can make any assumption you want whether it's true or not. I guess I'm surprised by the vitriol without facts.

Posted by: Stellastwocents at May 26, 2022 01:14 PM (SVo1+)


We have to remember media and Dems want you to hate cops, so they'll distort everything to make us all hate them.

They want cops to know they're hated by Republicans, so when the Dems use cops as their personal police force (like Capitol police or those told to ignore riots) they can whisper "Republicans hate you, so do what we say since we rally care for you."

Never discount the media and Dems to create a non- controversy to rut and divide people they see as allies.

Posted by: Rbastid at May 26, 2022 01:24 PM (BDBlI)

558 Today Hispanics have learned a painful lesson that working class whites have learned over and over. Your on your own. The government cares about itself. The only time goevenmemt gets involved or pretends to care is when it's own short term self interest is threatened.

Posted by: Shiggz (cool ranch MAGA) at May 26, 2022 01:25 PM (0SrVS)

559  and, if true, damning.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at May 26, 2022 01:21 PM (lXEIW)

There in lies the problem, no one knows if it's true, and by the time we find out everyone has made up their mind, become outraged, and the truth ends up hidden.

Not that the situations are the same, but this (video context) is no different than Nick Sandmann

Posted by: Rbastid at May 26, 2022 01:27 PM (BDBlI)

560 Grrrr. The time line isn't solidified. The shooter crashed his truck. (Running from police) grabbed his weapons leaving one behind. Entered the school. Locked the door and started killing. But police were on the scene from the beginning... Right? Right? What did i get wrong?

Posted by: USNtakim deplorable, now with ultra maga at May 26, 2022 01:30 PM (0OmEj)

561 The cops here might 100% be in the wrong, but considering how many of these cell phone videos are complete BS used to create a narrative.
Posted by: Rbastid

I don't disagree but they are questions that need discussion. Two LEO's I have known were swat team leaders. One was a WSP lieutenant. The other was a correctional officer at the Spokane area prison. I spent two plus years doing informal combative arts training with these gentlemen and a half dozen other brothers from church. Training to take quick and decisive action was part of that. I can't imagine either of them, in those circumstances taking that long to formulate a plan nor could I imagine them standing by while a single officer entered to engage the minster.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at May 26, 2022 01:31 PM (lXEIW)

562 So most local cops like to play dress up and play hero and have buzz cuts and wear kevlar. Meanwhile the guy playing the villain and living out his delusions is actually killing people.

No one has balls anymore. Except parents. So we're back to square one. Get a gun, protect your family, homeschool.

Posted by: RobertsPedoPopUpPictureBook at May 26, 2022 01:34 PM (lrBdD)

563 Secession or submission.

Posted by: Shiggz (cool ranch MAGA) at May 26, 2022 01:36 PM (0SrVS)

564 I heard the otherwise sensible Brian Kilmede say that the police outside were just protecting the perimeter from causing more chaos inside while Sooper Sekret Special Ops guys from LE were already inside. Any verification of that or was that just some PR guys inspiration in the shower?

Posted by: Zek at May 26, 2022 01:50 PM (OzNIz)

565 I fear this more of this "keep the rubes calm" and "let's de-escalate" and "lets make sure we aren't racist" all this sensitivity crap. They should all be fired. And we should all learn from this.

Posted by: Ultra pj at May 26, 2022 01:56 PM (G1dq6)

566 In Georgia they will bring you on Felony violation of oath of office charge for not going in. We’re trained to get our asses in there and stop him. Even have tactics to identify each other when more than one officer gets on scene. Hope I never have to do it but I know how if I do.

Posted by: Lordcsmith at May 26, 2022 02:23 PM (T3K6z)

567 I think people are kind of looking at this the wrong way. Of course, WE see Beto as a horse's butt, but THEY don't. The other side won't ever hear our critiques or denunciations, nor will they be informed that Beto completely hijacked the event.

The other side doesn't actually care about people. All of politics are staged events to them, so this was just another political forum.

Looking at it from the other side's perspective, this was a very successful op. The whole country is talking about Beto today.

Posted by: Kustie The Klown at May 26, 2022 02:26 PM (enAJ1)

568 Holy Fuck. Can only imagine what the family and friends want to do to these cowardly incompetent pathetic excuse for cops who prevented anyone from attempting to stop the slaughter until one highly trained man (yeah, a freaking man with balls he was born with, I’m told) fearlessly took on the deranged murderous villain.

Posted by: Just a dummy at May 26, 2022 02:27 PM (U2W4Y)

569 From the Ace of Spade HQ circa a few years ago:

"The police and the FBI can not protect you. They can only avenge you. You have to protect yourself."

Posted by: itzWicks at May 26, 2022 02:28 PM (Z6LNn)

570 the protocol had been to set up a perimeter then slowly go in. i believe it has been changed to go in and confront the shooter without waiting for the perimeter set up.

fucking barrel-assed donut munching cowards.

Posted by: butch at May 26, 2022 02:31 PM (zLpRk)

571 Next time, the locals won't be asking to borrow the cops' gear.

Posted by: Richard AUBREY at May 26, 2022 02:33 PM (dSnnl)

572 Holy F*ck. Can only imagine what the family and friends want to do to these cowardly incompetent pathetic excuse for cops who prevented anyone from attempting to stop the slaughter until one highly trained man (yeah, a freaking man with balls he was born with, I’m told; unlike the eunuchs — the pathetic, worse than mall, cops) fearlessly took on the deranged murderous villain.

Posted by: Just a dummy at May 26, 2022 02:34 PM (U2W4Y)

573 OT: I've heard by email from the animal shelter about 3 hours away with the little fluffy black kitten up for adoption. They are open on Saturdays. They want the contact info for the vet I use as a reference; have you ever heard of such a thing? The vet will give me a good notice, I'm sure, but isn't that overdoing things?

I'll need to ask if they insist on the face diaper nonsense still.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 26, 2022 12:19 PM (txdEq)

Sadly, yes, I have heard of this for adoptions for a long time. That's why I went to breeders, because the charity adoptions pretty much refuse to consider men as adopters here in LA.

Posted by: Oldcat at May 26, 2022 02:39 PM (eoQWY)

574 We have to remember media and Dems want you to hate cops, so they'll distort everything to make us all hate them.

They want cops to know they're hated by Republicans, so when the Dems use cops as their personal police force (like Capitol police or those told to ignore riots) they can whisper "Republicans hate you, so do what we say since we rally care for you."

Never discount the media and Dems to create a non- controversy to rut and divide people they see as allies.
Posted by: Rbastid at May 26, 2022 01:24 PM (BDBlI)

The cops do a good enough job doing that on their own

Posted by: Oldcat at May 26, 2022 02:41 PM (eoQWY)

575 the protocol had been to set up a perimeter then slowly go in. i believe it has been changed to go in and confront the shooter without waiting for the perimeter set up.

fucking barrel-assed donut munching cowards.
Posted by: butch at May 26, 2022 02:31 PM (zLpRk)


Yes, the doctrine was supposed to have changed after the Columbine H.S. shootings some 20 years ago. I've been retired since 2008, but our doctrine was to go in with the first two police officers and engage the shooter ASAP. I have no idea why we keep having active shooters in schools and the cops keep d!cking-around to set up perimeters.

Why the lessons seem to have been forgotten, I haven't the foggiest idea.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at May 26, 2022 02:42 PM (pJWtt)

576 Lest we forget the exact same thing happened in the Las Vegas Massacre. LVPD SWAT sat on their asses in a hotel stairwell while the shooter rampaged from his firing nest. It was a mixed unit that had to intervene and ultimately take out the shooter.

Posted by: Ernie McCracken at May 26, 2022 03:02 PM (psTiR)

577 I've now moved past heartbroken sadness and directly into white-hot rage that these fucking fat cowardly pussies went against literally every bit of active shooter protocol that exists ANYWHERE and stuck their thumbs up their stupid asses for nearly an hour while the sick fuck shot children to death.

Fuck these fucking faggots.

Posted by: ballistic at May 26, 2022 03:06 PM (oXNqT)

578 Fuck these fucking faggots.
Posted by: ballistic at May 26, 2022 03:06 PM (oXNqT)

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That's "hero faggots in blue" to you, plebe. Know your place.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at May 26, 2022 03:17 PM (V9m+p)

579 I'm just going to suggest that perhaps people need to stop asking cops "permission" to go in and save their own children, and just go save them.

Yeah, I'd probably get myself killed, but I'm not going to be outside begging anyone to 'DO SOMETHING!" and talking with other parents about whether or not we should go in and do something.

If I die, I die. There's some things that aren't worth living with, anyway.

Posted by: Goober at May 26, 2022 03:27 PM (Hgvgt)

580 At least there was Border Patrolman there who releived the Tax Payers of having to Try this crinimal while their Lawyers and Fake Head Shrinking Quack used some fake excuse Just like at the end of Dirty Harry taking out Scorpio with a single shot

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at May 26, 2022 06:27 PM (wGqjj)

581 Obviously late to this- was working - but for the record, every single cop who stood outside should be fired and prosecuted.

They give us a ballistic vest for a reason. It's because sometimes they shoot at us. If you respond to an active shooter, you do your job. Get in the building, protect the innocent and eliminate the threat.

When I was in patrol a guy came outside and started firing rounds in our direction. Not something anyone should have to deal with. All those kids slaughtered because these cops wanted to wait him out.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at May 27, 2022 02:17 AM (XSRBF)

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