Gun Thread: High and Far Out Edition!

Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

A quick peek at the calendar tells us it's May, dammit! And we all know what that means, don't we? Don't we? Do not we know what this means? Are you high and far out? It means it is Buy Ammo and Go to the Range Month! That's right, all month long we celebrate the joy of shooting and our wonderful 2nd Amendment. So I encourage you all to a) buy ammo, and ii) go to the range! If you own a gun then dig it out of your sock drawer, run a patch through the barrel, pick up a box o' ammo and go shooting! You don't need to make a big deal about it, just go! If all your guns are at the bottom of the lake, just about every range will have rental guns, so take advantage of one of those. Seriously, it is pretty hard not to have fun shooting even if you suck at it.

Yikes! What happens after May? June happens after May which means the 2022 NoVaMoMe on Saturday, June 11th, is next month! Our pal bluebell is busy working her little fingers to the bone for the benefit of you people so at least you can show up and marvel at her extreme niceness! C'mon, man! Do I really have to beat you over the head with this? You know you like the blog because you are reading it, or at least you like looking at the pictures, so why not come out of the shadows and meet some of the faces behind the Nics? I don't care how big of a weirdo you are in real life, just come to the dang thing and meet some really very nice people. See below for details and registration info!

In addition to being Gunz & Shootin' Month, tis also MoMe season, with other Moron gatherings on the calendar in Colorado, Washington, Alaska and Texas. Holy Shitballs! It's a dang MoMe-palooza! Take a peek at the main page left sidebar, find a MoMe near you, and sign up to attend one. You won't regret it!

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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Smith & Wesson and Colt Snubby Madness!

Clean out the lint traps when you're done, mister!

We've seen a bunch of Smith & Wesson revolvers here on the ol' Gun Thread lately, and last week I mixed things up by featuring a Colt Trooper Mk III. Although I am pretty much a Smith & Wesson guy if you peel back a layer and expose the Weasel soft white underbelly, you will find at heart I am just a revolver guy!

Q: Well then what the ever-loving holy Hell could we possibly have this week?
A: Snubby Madness!

top - S&W Model 36, bottom - Colt Cobra

Why, we have a 1972 Smith & Wesson five round Model 36, and a 1972 six round Colt Cobra, both in .38 Special and with 1 7/8th and 2-inch barrels, respectively. What a wacky prankster I am! I even amuse Sgt Joe Friday!

All kidding aside, these are very cool little guns and very bigly fun to shoot. Anyone who watched detective shows back in the day will probably have seen one or both at some point. Both companies made lots of variations of the snubby, and the size would make them good candidates for concealed carry guns, but these are in such great condition I don't want to risk banging (see what I did there?) them up. I'm not sure if it's just the nostalgia or what, but I am absolutely a big fan of these little guns. The tiny grips aren't particularly comfy for me on the Model 36, but then again, it's purpose wasn't for extended target shooting sessions.

Here are good histories of the Model 36 and the Colt Cobra.

Anyone else share my interest in snubbies? Have you ever purchased a firearm out of nostalgia, alone?

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First up our pal fd shares a family heirloom.

I inherited this from my Grandma's second husband, the man I knew as Grandpa. I don't know when or where he got it, he had it as long as I can remember. I played with it when I was a little kid. One time I talked him into letting me take it home with me to make a nice plaque to mount it on, and I also shined it up real nice and shiny. I don't think he really appreciated the buff job, but after 50 years or so the patina has come back.
No, it doesn't shoot those wooden bullets. That is a live training round though.

Very cool, fd! Serial number five? Thanks for sharing!

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Next up, our pal blaster has been adding things to firearms!

After the trip to Weasel Acres I have become convinced that all handguns are going to have optics from this point forward. Not just talk. I did a thing. Adapter plate and green dot on the P226.

Does it work? That's a YES.
And it's a NO. As a system engineer I get that making changes to systems may affect things beyond what you want to affect. My P226 with the optic is not pleased with 115gn ammo anymore. About 1/3 fail to feed one way or another.
Shooting 124gn it's is perfectly happy. Also, I think the P226 was on the edge of happiness with 115gn before. Slide would not lock back when mag emptied and I blamed the mag. With 124gn locks back as designed.

Verrrrry interesting, blaster, and nice shooting! and I suspect you're 100% correct on the lighter 115gr load being the cause of the problemo.

There is a whole thing regarding National Match 1911s with slides that have had metal removed so they would function properly with lighter wadcutter target loads, however, the then weakened slides had a tendency to crack when using the heavier .45ACP ball ammo. The problem is the lighter springs for the target loads. The Colt National Match I featured a while back is an example of a gun with a lightened slide for competition, and there were a number of ammo and recoil spring combinations which were intended to address the situation. Here is an informative article on the NM 1911s which mentions the problem but doesn't actually suggest a solution.

I'm not suggesting you lighten the slide, but here is a link to Wolff Springs which has an entire section of their website devoted to different spring combinations for the 1911, and I suspect if you gave them a jingle they'd be happy to suggest a lighter spring for the Sig which might keep you shooting the more economical 115gr round. If you go this route just be careful when switching ammo.

Good luck and let us know how it goes!

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Ax Weasel
This week we have an Ax Weasel twofer from our pal GWB

I wonder if there's any knowledge among you and the horde on this:
If you mill out your own 80% receiver, but it doesn't work, is it still an actual firearm?

I know a broken firearm is still a firearm for the purposes of most laws. But what if it never reached working status because you drilled the hole wrong or something? Did it go from 80% to 0%? And I'm talking you totally missed where the hole is supposed to go, not off by .1mm and you could drill it out a little more and drop in some JBWeld or something.

Weasel has no idea, and it's a very interesting question! Does it identify as a firearm?

Smart people: now is your time to speak up!

Since I'm looking at putting together a less standard AR in the near future I'm trying to take a good look at the different upper offerings and see why this one costs $300, this one $400, and this one $899. Also, folks have mentioned Bear Creek Arsenal before, and they have uppers that I'm looking for at a good price. But they have at least 3 at different price points (all under $400) and the title description for them gives me no reason for the price difference. So I looked a little deeper. One is forged, one is billet (the cheaper one). I understand that difference. One other difference that I do NOT get is one has for "feed ramp", "Single", and the cheaper has "NON-ramped". Is this a big difference?

Any of you AR guys and gals out there able to tackle this one?

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Next up our pal Scuba_Dude sends us an excellent video on what it means to shoot in the Biathlon

Amazing. Nice find, Scoob! Thanks!

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Our pal Gref sends us a great reminder on NRA Training Courses. https://www.nrainstructors.org/Search.aspx

I got an email from NRA today telling me there are many NRA-certified classes available around the country. You periodically get questions about where to find instruction for pistol shooting, reloading, etc. The NRA webpage at the link gives Morons a list of classes that may be taught in their area. The courses are not free. I need to sign-up for some of these. And to check-out their on-line courses and materials.

Excellent tip Gref! Thank you! Why not check out the link and see if there is something going on near you. In addition to the Competition Division, the Training Classes are something the NRA manages to do very well.

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Gun Basics 101
This week the SEH gal follows up on her previous at home concealed draw practice video with one on at home reloading practice.

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Cigar of the Week
Our pal rhomboid brings it with another excellent cigar review. Thanks rhomboid!

Visited a cigar bar with an old friend and came across something I'd read about, the Stillwell Star, from Steve Saka's Dunbarton Tobacco & Trust. Unique line of four different blends - a mix of premium cigar long-filler tobacco, and pipe tobacco. Saka's collaborator on this is the blending chief for Cornell and Diehl, a top pipe tobacco company. Friend and I picked the Aromatic (there are also an English, Bayou, and Navy No. 1056 - named for the destroyer Saka served on in the Navy). Small batches and top tobaccos, so they're not giving them away - $17/stick online. Special occasion cigar. Fantastic - smooth, rich, natural sweetness, perfect burn. Of course pipe smokers will enjoy these. Thinking I'll get a sampler of all 4 for special occasions. Also in the picture are my 45 Colt and 30-06 cigar punches, in this case we used a v-cutter on the Stillwells and a La Aroma de Cuba Edicion Especial, about which more another time.

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What does the Cigar of the Week feature need? A Cigar Vixen, that's what!!

You're welcome.

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ATTENTION NoVaMoMe 2022!!

The social and cultural event of the season, NoVaMoMe 2022 is on the calendar! That's right, you people have a chance to meet many of your online pals on Saturday, June 11th beginning at 1pm until dark, or such time as it gets busted up by the cops. We have an exciting location in the Northern Virginia area which allows extended time for visiting. Admission is $25 which includes food and soft drinks, with a cash bar. This year the menu is BBQ chicken and pork with the usual sides and cookies for dessert. Appetizers begin just after 1pm and dinner is 3pm. Want to be one of the cool kids? Just send an email to novamome at protonmail dot cee oh emm, pass the rigorous screening process to obtain registration details, then sign up to attend! Easy-Peasy!

Each year, I spend a fair amount of time haranguing people to come to a MoMe. Any MoMe! I cannot overemphasize how much fun these things are, and how much we want YOU to come! We plan for the crowd in general but also consider the needs of the introvert lurkers and provide plenty of potted plants for those so inclined to hide behind. All kidding aside, you are completely welcome to slink-in, eat, drink and people-watch, and then slink-out. It is a 100% zero pressure event. If you can handle a backyard picnic, you can definitely handle this.

Win a Dream Date with Weasel!
Back by tepid demand, a separate raffle for the Gun Thread gift basket will be held. This fabulous prize includes an entire day of shooting and personalized one-on-one handgun & rifle coaching and instruction at Weasel Acres on a mutually agreeable date with yours truly. The lucky winner will be able to not only bring and shoot their own weapons, but also try out a variety of WeaselWeapons using WeaselAmmo!

We will end the day with dinner at a good Mexican place in nearby Appomattox. Pretty much a dream date with Weasel! The winner will be responsible for their travel to and from Central Virginia, hence the separate drawing.

Don't be a pathetic girly-man loser, register today!

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Link-O-Rama

I'm really very seriously not kidding around anymore. Buy Ammo
AmmoSeek - online ammo search tool
GunBot - online ammo search tool
SG Ammo
Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA
Bud's Gun Shop

***Mail Bag***

This week's mailbag entry is from our pal JT

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Please note the new and improved protonmail account gunthread at protonmail dot com. An informal Gun Thread archive can be found HERE. Future expansion plans are in the works for the site Weasel Gun Thread. If you have a question you would like to ask Gun Thread Staff offline, just send us a note and we'll do our best to answer. If you care to share the story of your favorite firearm, send a picture with your nic and tell us what you sadly lost in the tragic canoe accident. If you would like to remain completely anonymous, just say so. Lurkers are always welcome!

That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM

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Posted by: Skip at May 01, 2022 07:00 PM (2JoB8)

2 Boom!

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 01, 2022 07:00 PM (U2p+3)

3 Missed it by THAT much!

Posted by: GWB at May 01, 2022 07:00 PM (dO2Sg)

4 "if you peel back a layer and expose the Weasel soft white underbelly"
Eeeewwwwww!!!!!

Posted by: GWB at May 01, 2022 07:02 PM (dO2Sg)

5 fd what a cool hand me down

Posted by: Skip at May 01, 2022 07:04 PM (2JoB8)

6 Love your weekly gun threads Weasel. Thanks for doing this.

Posted by: 496 at May 01, 2022 07:05 PM (U1eOr)

7 How does one mount optics on a slide?
Does the optics move with the slide?

Posted by: gourmand du jour at May 01, 2022 07:06 PM (jTmQV)

8 "Anyone else share my interest in snubbies?"
I do have that derringer in .38sp/.357mag. It is not conducive to long range sessions, either, though partly because you only get 2 shots at a time.

But it is a fun weapon, and can be packed around when other guns cannot. (Being all metal, it certainly isn't a *light* weapon for its size.)

Posted by: GWB at May 01, 2022 07:06 PM (dO2Sg)

9 6 Love your weekly gun threads Weasel. Thanks for doing this.
Posted by: 496 at May 01, 2022 07:05 PM (U1eOr)
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Glad you're enjoying them. Nice to have you here!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 07:06 PM (1EUpI)

10 Hi Weasel!

Hi Horde!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 01, 2022 07:06 PM (tkyK5)

11 NoVaMoMe PSA: if you have written me for info, I promise I have written back. We are finding that a lot of our emails are going into spam folders. The only thing I can think of is because it's a protonmail address. Even people that corresponded with us last year on that address have had our emails go to spam this year.

So, if you wrote to me and think you didn't hear back, please check your spam folder. And write me again if you don't see anything. I don't trust any of the big email providers, I'm afraid.

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe 2022! at May 01, 2022 07:06 PM (wyw4S)

12 Hiya

Posted by: JT at May 01, 2022 07:07 PM (arJlL)

13 LOL !!
Hiya Weasel ! Thanks !

Posted by: JT at May 01, 2022 07:07 PM (arJlL)

14 "if you peel back a layer and expose the Weasel soft white underbelly"
Eeeewwwwww!!!!!

Posted by: GWB at May 01, 2022 07:02 PM (dO2Sg)
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Sounds painful. Do they use a local or knock you out entirely?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 01, 2022 07:08 PM (llXky)

15 Range time with MAE fun and stress relieving as usual.

We did some timed drills that would hopefully get me less worried about IDPA. I got better the second time around, but I'm still pretty slow. Oh well. I guess speed comes as muscle memory becomes more solid.

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 01, 2022 07:08 PM (U2p+3)

16 That last picture is cute but dead wrong.
Commies don't win in more than half the revolutions because they're weak and stupid. They just put the weak and stupid out front as cannon fodder.
The real commies are tough, brutal and merciless and we'd be dumb to forget.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 01, 2022 07:09 PM (MFphb)

17 Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 01, 2022 07:06 PM (tkyK5)
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Howdy bro! I owe you an email. Soon!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 07:09 PM (1EUpI)

18 Never liked snub nose handguns, guess for carring can't be a bad choice though.

Posted by: Skip at May 01, 2022 07:09 PM (2JoB8)

19 A S&W 638 is my edc. Love that thing.

And in Florida we don't dress heavy so a nice little j-frame virtually disappears in a wasteband.

As for the 5-shot limit... well 5 shots beats none I guess.

Posted by: weew at May 01, 2022 07:10 PM (+m+uH)

20 I'm going to go out on a limb here and actual solicit suggestions and recommendations from The Horde. I mentioned that I am collecting parts for an AR-10 style rifle. I'm ready to order the barrel so it's time to make a decision. I have been just assuming that it would be a .308 since I already have dies and components for it but a buddy of mine may have flung a 6.5 CR craving on me. Somebody talk me into it or out of it.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 01, 2022 07:10 PM (nfrXX)

21 That last picture is cute but dead wrong.
Commies don't win in more than half the revolutions because they're weak and stupid. They just put the weak and stupid out front as cannon fodder.
The real commies are tough, brutal and merciless and we'd be dumb to forget.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 01, 2022 07:09 PM (MFphb)
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You cannot compare the hardened fighters of previous revolutions with today's crybullies.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 01, 2022 07:10 PM (llXky)

22 Do I like snubbies? No, they're difficult to shoot, loud, and slow to reload. Despite all that, I carry a Kimber K6. All I have to do is draw the gun and pull the trigger. No safeties to switch off, no magazines to drop at the worst time, etc.

Posted by: PacosMojo at May 01, 2022 07:11 PM (WSEOl)

23 I actually installed the new HI Viz sights on the Ruger 10/22 without destroying the rifle or the sights. That was not a sure thing and runs contra to my usual technique of 'use a bigger hammer'.

Haven't had a chance to try it yet, possibly tomorrow, but the HI VIZ are certainly brighter and easier to see.

Posted by: JTB at May 01, 2022 07:11 PM (7EjX1)

24 As to the snubby topic, I have an old model 36 just like the one pictured. I swapped out for combat grips and like it a lot more. Too bad its days under the seat of my car caused rusting on the cylinder and it doesn't look so nice anymore. Still functions very well, and is still one of my favorites just for the nostalgia.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 01, 2022 07:11 PM (MFphb)

25 20.....

Unless you plan on shooting a lot of surplus ammunition, go with the 6.5 Creedmoor. Better ballistics all around and commercial ammunition is widely available.

Posted by: PacosMojo at May 01, 2022 07:12 PM (WSEOl)

26 * waves to bluebell as she gambols by *

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 01, 2022 07:12 PM (a3Q+t)

27 Rhomboid,
Great review!
And because I'm a chea...err...frugal old bastard, I have to turn my head to the left and cough while forking over that much for a cigar, but damned if your review hasn't convinced me.
I'll report back upon turning it into ashes.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 01, 2022 07:13 PM (axyOa)

28 Hello, Weasel and horde!

Posted by: Ed L at May 01, 2022 07:13 PM (NacE+)

29 And there's a PNWMoMe in June as well. Please
Contact Mark Andrew Edwards in left sidebar. He will make sure you're not Bob from
The NSA (although he has attended in a black SUV) and I will email you details.
It will be fun and laid back and we will play corn hole and lawn darts and fly kites and drinks some beverages in the park.

And. You'll get hugs.

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 01, 2022 07:13 PM (U2p+3)

30 Weasel, don't worry about the email. That is definitely back burner material.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 01, 2022 07:14 PM (tkyK5)

31 Well, yes, I have been to the range today.
Good evening, Weasel, et al.!

Posted by: RI Red at May 01, 2022 07:14 PM (QZRZG)

32 Love that P226, no criticisms for that. A solid piece.

Posted by: Draki at May 01, 2022 07:14 PM (8ni2U)

33 Howdy Ed L!
Howdy RI Red!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 07:15 PM (0IeYL)

34 "Very cool, fd! Serial number five?"

There's a four too. 54 is the only marking on it.

Posted by: fd at May 01, 2022 07:15 PM (vrz2I)

35 And I don't particularly care for snubbies. Too hard on my hands and especially my wrists. But. I'm a girl.

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 01, 2022 07:16 PM (U2p+3)

36 It will be fun and laid back and we will play corn hole and lawn darts and fly kites and drinks some beverages in the park.
Posted by: nurse ratched at May 01, 2022 07:13 PM (U2p+3)

I dunno. Gettin a lawn dart in the cornhole and being told to fly a kite doesn't sound like that much fun.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 01, 2022 07:16 PM (MFphb)

37 I always liked the TV cop on the ground with his snubby who outshoots the crook with a rifle on the roof.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 01, 2022 07:16 PM (63Dwl)

38 No range time this weekend. Last weekend we did some revolver shooting.

Revolvers are great because you get to choose the manner of dumping your brass, which makes them perfect for shooting in muddy conditions.

My weapon of choice was the Charter Arms Undercoverette, which is breaking in nicely. It's chambered in .32 Magnum but because that is still rare and crazy expensive, I opted for the far less expensive .32 ACP.

The Fiocchi stuff runs well and after a bit, I was able to get a feel for the point of aim, which is a little different from .32 Long or .32 Magnum.

Still, I'm ready to get out the auto-loaders. It's been too long.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 01, 2022 07:17 PM (llXky)

39 Whoa! The sights on those biathalon rifles are amazing. Not that I'm envious or anything. Nope! Not me!

I probably don't want to know how much they cost.

Posted by: JTB at May 01, 2022 07:17 PM (7EjX1)

40 Good evening, Horde!

What a info-packed gun thread, Weasel!

I've got to go back and finish the content.

Posted by: Ladyl at May 01, 2022 07:17 PM (TdMsT)

41 Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 01, 2022 07:16 PM (63Dwl)
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Says the guy who wiped out the planet!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 07:18 PM (0IeYL)

42 I dunno. Gettin a lawn dart in the cornhole and being told to fly a kite doesn't sound like that much fun.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 01, 2022 07:16 PM (MFphb)

But a hug from Nurse is worth it.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 01, 2022 07:18 PM (axyOa)

43 Biathlon....

Good video. A few observations.

First, one of the reasons to not do prone shooting in the biathlon? Because no matter your heart rate control, you're still breathing - AND you're lying on your chest. He probably could have been more successful just using the standard shooting breathing concepts of shoot as the sight goes across the target. (UP and DOWN went that sight; UP... DOWN... UP... DOWN....)

Second, did you see the skiers looking at him as he ran? "Vat sort of idiot runs in de snow?" (Cross country skiing isn't that hard on level ground, and he could have tried it. But, whatever.)

Third, this is the sort of thing I've suggested for training for the stressful situation. (Though, I suggest you run in place; otherwise the RO might get... twitchy.) Do some push-ups, too, to get the muscles going. (X-country skiing also tends to pump your arms and get them fatigued, as well.)

Nice video.

Posted by: GWB at May 01, 2022 07:18 PM (dO2Sg)

44 My wife has a S&W Model 37 - Airweight. I believe it is exactly like the Model 36 you pictured, but it has an aluminum frame.

The gun is from her grandfather, who was a judge in Ft. Worth. I believe it was usually in his desk in his chambers, but he would sometimes carry in his pocket if he thought a defendant might have some potentially "feisty" family members in the courtroom.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 01, 2022 07:18 PM (tkyK5)

45 Is carrying the purpose of a snubbie? Something to carry without a holster? I have a 9mil, don't carry, am pretty new to all this stuff, and don't see it readily.

Thanks for the gun thread, Weasel!

Posted by: Catherine at May 01, 2022 07:18 PM (ZSsrh)

46 Oh, and love the guy's face when he hits the target.

Posted by: GWB at May 01, 2022 07:18 PM (dO2Sg)

47 Hi Ladyl!!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 07:18 PM (0IeYL)

48 Range Report....

Took the 300 BLK AR "pistol" out along with my Omega 36M suppressor. My buddy brought his 12" barreled AR chambered in .556. Talk about Yin/Yang reactions at the range! Imagine being in a cab with Biff (.556) and George McFly (300 BLK) having a conversation. Loud mouthed jerk vs. meek, mild mannered geek!

Posted by: PacosMojo at May 01, 2022 07:18 PM (WSEOl)

49 Don't let the kids see this...

https://tinyurl.com/2f69dbuj

Posted by: davidt at May 01, 2022 07:18 PM (sReZj)

50 Sometimes I just drop a .38 S&W in front right pocket, but I put the Colt Det. Spec on my hip because it's too pretty for the pocket.

Posted by: Eromero at May 01, 2022 07:20 PM (0OP+5)

51 I dunno. Gettin a lawn dart in the cornhole and being told to fly a kite doesn't sound like that much fun.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 01, 2022 07:16 PM (MFphb)
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I thought lawn darts are blunt now - just weighted.

My grandparents had a set of the real ones. Very cool.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 01, 2022 07:20 PM (llXky)

52 Rhomboid, very nice cigar review.
I had an Oliva Melanio post yard work. Very nice.
I'd do reviews except I don't have the palate to do justice to the flavors.

I envy people who can light a cigar and talk about the flavors, you know, coffee, chocolate, cherries, brussel sprouts and okra.
Those kind of things. I taste tobacco, good or poor quality. The Oliva is top notch btw. I cannot abide flavored cigars much like I can't abice flavored pipe tobacco.

End of rant.
Thanks for the thread Weasel!

Posted by: Winston, GOPe, not one dime, not one vote at May 01, 2022 07:20 PM (EgLGT)

53 I don't trust any of the big email providers, I'm afraid.
Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe 2022! at May 01, 2022 07:06 PM (wyw4S)

Isn't this where the vaunted shiv collection comes into its best use?

Posted by: GWB at May 01, 2022 07:21 PM (dO2Sg)

54 "Anyone else share my interest in snubbies? Have you ever purchased a firearm out of nostalgia, alone?"

Guilty on both counts. I bought a snubbie Colt Diamondback because it's the weapon of choice for Steve McQueen in "Bullitt." And yes, after 50 years plus, a little bit of the "King of Cool's" coolness is still there in that little snubbie Colt Diamondback.

Posted by: Ed L at May 01, 2022 07:21 PM (NacE+)

55 Joe Friday didn't take any guff from coffeehouse beatniks.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 01, 2022 07:21 PM (LkM8p)

56 Is carrying the purpose of a snubbie? Something to carry without a holster? I have a 9mil, don't carry, am pretty new to all this stuff, and don't see it readily.

Thanks for the gun thread, Weasel!
Posted by: Catherine at May 01, 2022 07:18 PM (ZSsrh)

Concealing is the purpose of a snubbie. They're dinosaurs in many respects, but detectives carried in a shoulder holster under a jacket, just like TV.
Without a holster you'd want a hammerless one. Much easier to extract from where ever without snagging.
But they're heavy for their size and their limited capacity makes them not so popular any more.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 01, 2022 07:22 PM (MFphb)

57 And I got hot brass down the shirt.

I wore a 3/4 zip long sleeve shirt with a high neck tshirt underneath.

Brass went down the zipped up outer shirt, under the high necked tshirt and only stopped at the belly band concealed holster I had on under it all. I have a burn on my stomach.
Hot brass finds a way.

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 01, 2022 07:23 PM (U2p+3)

58 Posted by: Catherine at May 01, 2022 07:18 PM (ZSsrh)
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Hi Catherine! Welcome to the Gun Thread!

The compact snubbies are light and easily concealable which make them a good choice for, well, concealing. The short barrel makes them suitable for close range defensive shooting.

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 07:23 PM (1EUpI)

59 Somebody talk me into it or out of it.
Posted by: Oddbob at May 01, 2022 07:10 PM (nfrXX)

Do both! Oh wait, you have to pick one to _start_ with.....

Posted by: GWB at May 01, 2022 07:23 PM (dO2Sg)

60 7 How does one mount optics on a slide?
Does the optics move with the slide?
Posted by: gourmand du jour at May 01, 2022 07:06 PM (jTmQV)

Yes. Except for a few handguns with some weird frame mounted bracketry, the optic moves with the slide.

On a slide that has not been milled (ie, material removed) for an optic, you add the mass of the adapter plate and the optic to the slide. It may not be very much, but it doesn't have to be.

Posted by: blaster at May 01, 2022 07:23 PM (9otr5)

61 Is carrying the purpose of a snubbie? Something to carry without a holster? I have a 9mil, don't carry, am pretty new to all this stuff, and don't see it readily.

Thanks for the gun thread, Weasel!

Posted by: Catherine at May 01, 2022 07:18 PM (ZSsrh)
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Yes, they are optimized for concealed carry. You still need a holster even if doing pocket carry to prevent lint or chewing gum wrappers, etc. from lodging in the barrel and also protecting the trigger against getting caught.

Pocket carry is the easiest carry out there, period. Also very discrete if you wear reasonably loose-fitting pants.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 01, 2022 07:23 PM (llXky)

62
Posted by: Winston, GOPe, not one dime, not one vote at May 01, 2022 07:20 PM (EgLGT)
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You bet!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 07:24 PM (1EUpI)

63 Guns!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at May 01, 2022 07:25 PM (eeRB6)

64 Nice Snubbys Weasel! Nice shooting Blaster! That Biathlon is some hard work...

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 01, 2022 07:25 PM (R/m4+)

65 My range report is that hungry turkeys DO NOT care if you are firing a rifle!

I was firing 6.5 CM and walking back and forth from the target and they just cruised across my native grass field eating grasshoppers.

The tom displayed a few times, and the ladies never even glanced his way!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 01, 2022 07:25 PM (tkyK5)

66 I'm not a huge fan of snubby revolvers (or...revolvers in general...though I own a few) but I have to admit I kinda want a Colt Detective Special.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at May 01, 2022 07:25 PM (eeRB6)

67 The Cigar Vixen video was fun. I would like to go to Nica again.

I went to a gun show here in Alberta yesterday, and was able to get some parts for my friend's Stevens/Savage model 187J .22 semi auto. Got a bolt, extractor, hammer, firing pin, and four special screws. Cost me $75 CDN, which I thought to be reasonable.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 01, 2022 07:26 PM (B16iJ)

68 Great thread, Weasel!

Blaster, about the slide issue: I'm guessing more weight + lighter load= insufficient recoil for the slide to lock back correctly.

One can lighten a slide, see linked article, so the slide will operate correctly with lighter loads, but, the downside, it also may weaken the firearm to the point full power, or +p loads might be taking a chance.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 01, 2022 07:27 PM (5pTK/)

69 Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 01, 2022 07:25 PM (R/m4+)
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Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 07:27 PM (0IeYL)

70 Does anyone have a Stribog A3? Seriously considering it for my next purchase.

Posted by: Mainah at May 01, 2022 07:27 PM (j7IgZ)

71 Interesting. I don't think slide mounted optics are for me. I can imagine staring down the glass and the thing comes back toward me after firing. My old peepers would take a second to re-focus.
Holstering it would be another issue.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at May 01, 2022 07:27 PM (jTmQV)

72 But they're heavy for their size and their limited capacity makes them not so popular any more.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 01, 2022 07:22 PM (MFphb)
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Unless it's stainless, loaded weight is usually less than you get with a subcompact autoloader.

They are wider, which is a problem for some carry styles.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 01, 2022 07:28 PM (llXky)

73 Thanks for the gun thread Weasel.

Taking FIL out for a steak dinner, so his daughter will still be nice to me!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 01, 2022 07:28 PM (tkyK5)

74 Jack Webb gimme a stink eye look one Sunday morning as he was leaving the Cock and Bull.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at May 01, 2022 07:28 PM (qK5iF)

75 Some of the other snubbies in the safe (some of which appeared here in the past):

1994 Colt Detective Special (last of the breed)
1965 Colt Python
1939 (?) Colt Detective Special
2017 Colt Cobra
2019 Colt King Cobra

Got a 2022 Colt Python snubbie on order. Colt's just fit my hand better than S&W. Nothing wrong w/ them, the Colt products just feel better in my hand.

Posted by: Ed L at May 01, 2022 07:28 PM (NacE+)

76 Got a 2022 Colt Python snubbie on order. Colt's just fit my hand better than S&W. Nothing wrong w/ them, the Colt products just feel better in my hand.

Posted by: Ed L at May 01, 2022 07:28 PM (NacE+)
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Same. Colts just fit me better.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 01, 2022 07:29 PM (llXky)

77 Thanks blake!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 07:29 PM (0IeYL)

78 *waves to bluebell as she gambols by *
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 01, 2022 07:12 PM (a3Q+t)
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*blows a kiss to Dunc in mid-frolic*

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe 2022! at May 01, 2022 07:30 PM (wyw4S)

79 Is carrying the purpose of a snubbie?

Posted by: Catherine at May 01, 2022 07:18 PM (ZSsrh)

Carrying VERY concealed was often the point of a snubbie. In a coat or pants pocket. Or in a small shoulder holster as someone mentioned. Since you don't have as much barrel to clear, it might be a tiny bit faster on the draw.

Snubbies actually brought about the Saturday Night Special, I think. Which turned out to be a crap gun (sometimes, anyway) and led to some cries for gun control.

Posted by: GWB at May 01, 2022 07:30 PM (dO2Sg)

80 I like snubbies for EDC, especially in 38 special or 32 mag. No safeties to worry about, no slides to work, just pull the damn trigger five or six times. But I've made sure I am accurate with them at SD distances and have read enough about the effectiveness of the calibers.

Posted by: JTB at May 01, 2022 07:30 PM (7EjX1)

81 Also very discrete if you wear reasonably loose-fitting pants.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 01, 2022 07:23 PM (llXky)

If you have big enough pockets.
And if your pants are held up adequately by your hips.

Posted by: GWB at May 01, 2022 07:31 PM (dO2Sg)

82 Did get to the range, but will break it into two comments and I have two things to yammer about.
First, put another 100 rounds through Bubby Fly, the bubba-fied G17. Gun performed well, very well when I squeezed the damn trigger instead of jerking it.

The jerking came because I was practicing what I suck at: one handed drills. Seriously, it's like I'm having to learn how to shoot all over again after 30ish years of shooting two-handed only.

Two (three if we count the squeeze, don't jerk) lessons: One, a red dot sure AF helps with one handed shooting...though the Nurse out-shot me one handed without a dot. Two, slow down. Yes, a quick one handed shoot might be required in a gunfight, but slow down for the second.

The other part of the range trip was putting more rounds through the Rock Island STK100...which I'll handle separately.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at May 01, 2022 07:32 PM (eeRB6)

83 Hot brass finds a way.
Posted by: nurse ratched at May 01, 2022 07:23 PM (U2p+3)

YIKES!
Guess your next choice is a turtleneck....

Posted by: GWB at May 01, 2022 07:33 PM (dO2Sg)

84 If you like strong cigars, I can't say enough good things about these Cain Maduros by Olivia.

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 07:34 PM (0IeYL)

85 If you have big enough pockets.
And if your pants are held up adequately by your hips.

Posted by: GWB at May 01, 2022 07:31 PM (dO2Sg)
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I'm old enough that I don't go in for the new "skinny" cut. For one thing, I actually walk around and use stairs, so I have noticeable calf muscles.

A snubbie will comfortably fit in the standard cut dress pants with a decent belt. At a former office job, I carried that way for years without incident.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 01, 2022 07:34 PM (llXky)

86 Nope nope nope on the reload drill. Close, but no cigar. Every shooter would be better if they viewed the physical handling of firearm as a martial art. In this instance the coach has the shooter leave their arm away from the body, not good no stability, no guarantee that mag well will be in the correct space. From arms extended shooting position, while releasing the mag,, bring the firearm back, placing your elbow firmly on your belt off center (leaving the firearm) this puts the firearm in EXACTLY the same spot everytime. Which from a stress and fine motor skills perspective is very helpful. Finally , the clearance (removing any cover garment) and presentation of the new mag should be occurring at the same time as the empty mag is being released. Sounds picky but I seen students do all kinds of fun stuff attempting to reload and if you stress em it gets worse.

Do everything the same way every time. Under stress you are going to do what you normally do. Having the correct muscle memory is absolute in increasing survival odds.

Wax on, wax off. Slow is smooth, smooth is fast

Posted by: TeeRoy Jenkins at May 01, 2022 07:35 PM (Io1eK)

87 >>>Jack Webb gimme a stink eye look one Sunday morning as he was leaving the Cock and Bull.

>I'm guessing this is something that should never be put in an internet search engine.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 01, 2022 07:35 PM (LkM8p)

88 No range time, here, but, upcoming range time!

USPSA, hopefully, next week, have to miss the evening shoot this next Tues, due to other commitments, and, another pistol shoot later this month.

Woot!

*wonders if bluebell frolics with daggers sheathed at her side*

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 01, 2022 07:36 PM (5pTK/)

89 Those biathlon guns are danged quiet!

Posted by: FriscoYoda at May 01, 2022 07:37 PM (+56GQ)

90 Another NRA Topic, FYI -
The 2022 NRA Annual Convention is May 27-29 in Houston.

https://www.nraam.org/

I went the last time it was in Houston, about 10 years ago. I only went to the manufacturer exhibit hall - no meetings. The exhibits are incredible. Every firearm, optics, and accessory part maker in the country has a display, with examples of current models that you can examine and handle, free catalogs, and representatives to talk with.

There were no firearms or ammo sales or orders taken. I cannot recall if optics were for sale. Some of the parts makers sold items or took orders. Entrance is free for NRA members. I plan to go again this time.

Posted by: Gref at May 01, 2022 07:37 PM (AMIL/)

91 Snubbies actually brought about the Saturday Night Special, I think. Which turned out to be a crap gun (sometimes, anyway) and led to some cries for gun control.

Posted by: GWB at May 01, 2022 07:30 PM (dO2Sg)
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If you go on gunbroker, you can find those kinds of guns for sale for less than a hundred bucks. Lots in .32 Long, so simply made that they don't even swing out - to reload you pull out the arbor pin and poke the empties out of the cylinder with it.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 01, 2022 07:38 PM (llXky)

92 Yes, a quick one handed shoot might be required in a gunfight, but slow down for the second.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at May 01, 2022 07:32 PM (eeRB6)

As they say: Slow is smooth. Smooth is fast.
So, work on doing it right and the speed will come.

Posted by: GWB at May 01, 2022 07:38 PM (dO2Sg)

93 Posted by: TeeRoy Jenkins at May 01, 2022 07:35 PM (Io1eK)
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Howdy TeeRoy! Welcome to the Gun Thread!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 07:38 PM (0IeYL)

94 150 round review of the Rock Island STK 100.
This is an all-metal Glock-part, Glock-magazine compatible pistol. It comes optics-ready...but only for the Vortex Venom/Demon. Cest le'vie. Despite the Glock mag compat, the grip angle is very much like a 1911 style, though it's a bit thick from the backstrap to the trigger as a result. The metal frame is two piece clamshell, held together with three screws instead of plugs like a polymer Glock clone. Slide is either a G17 clone or damn close to it...couldn't see any difference.

It will not fit in a G17 kydex holster.

It's heavier than a Glock 17, but the extra weight made it easier to shoot, one handed. The Vortex is working fine, and it still allows use of the iron sights if needed.

They do not suggest unscrewing the lower screws, so cleaning is supposed to limited to what you can get at without taking the trigger group out, I guess. That said, you can remove the screws (or tighten them down, as the back out over time and use) with a small standard slotted screwdriver.

The aluminum grip is smooth in hand, like a combat grip from the old days, though there is texturing...it's not super sticky. 1/2

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at May 01, 2022 07:38 PM (eeRB6)

95 *wonders if bluebell frolics with daggers sheathed at her side*
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 01, 2022 07:36 PM (5pTK/)
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Think of Tinkerbell frolicking with a sheathed dagger and that's exactly not me.

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe 2022! at May 01, 2022 07:38 PM (wyw4S)

96 Howdy, Horde! Did not do any gun-like stuff this week, but did polish the bike and ride it some. Must purchase a different spring for my 300 blk build, seems am not getting enough ooomph to fully cycle the thing. Looking at a Nemo spring. How YOU doin'?

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at May 01, 2022 07:39 PM (mUYId)

97 Posted by: McGyver at May 01, 2022 07:39 PM (mUYId)
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Howdy, brother!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 07:40 PM (0IeYL)

98 For those who don't often smoke cigars I can say that a bowl of Old Toby, a blend from the Country Squire tobacconist, in a Nording or Peterson pipe makes for a nice accompaniment to the gun thread.

Posted by: JTB at May 01, 2022 07:40 PM (7EjX1)

99 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 01, 2022 07:38 PM (llXky)

Yowza!

Posted by: GWB at May 01, 2022 07:40 PM (dO2Sg)

100 Reloading drills: I use my CCW spare mag carrier when I'm competing. I always have that carrier in my mag change rotation when shooting competition. (however, I do not use either of my carry mags, one in the carrier, one in the gun, because competition shooting beats up magazines something fierce.)

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 01, 2022 07:41 PM (5pTK/)

101 Hefty but not heavy, smooth, assertive, easy to clean, takes oil well, a bit much for everyday carry, USA made, black finish, carbon steel.

8" Lodge carbon steel fry-pan.

Posted by: ZOD at May 01, 2022 07:42 PM (x8kT3)

102 8" Lodge carbon steel fry-pan.

Posted by: ZOD at May 01, 2022 07:42 PM (x8kT3)
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Let me guess: 8" group at close range, no group at any other.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 01, 2022 07:43 PM (llXky)

103 I am a huge snubbie fan; a S&W 637 is my EDC, and I bought a second one recently, just because. saw an old but mint 36 last year; never felt a smoother trigger ! it was valued accordingly, too, I think the price tag was $600 !
also there's the 629; snubbie .44 mag ... holster should arrive this week (he said hopefully).

Posted by: sock_rat_eez -gaslighted?, more like napalmed at May 01, 2022 07:44 PM (LN3uv)

104 Have to say I'm not in love with Joe's trigger finger work in the laundromat pic.

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 07:44 PM (0IeYL)

105 >>>8" Lodge carbon steel fry-pan.

>Cast iron is a bit heavier, but it makes a great steak.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 01, 2022 07:45 PM (LkM8p)

106 Have to say I'm not in love with Joe's trigger finger work in the laundromat pic.
Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 07:44 PM (0IeYL)
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Maybe Joe moonlights as a proctologist?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 01, 2022 07:45 PM (5pTK/)

107 Have to say I'm not in love with Joe's trigger finger work in the laundromat pic.

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 07:44 PM (0IeYL)
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It love you long time!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 01, 2022 07:45 PM (llXky)

108 Thanks Weasel, I'm a looooooooong time lurker. Instructor type, been carrying and teaching professionally for many moons now.

If they had just put the part about locking your elbow in place in there I wouldn't have uncloaked. I don't teach anymore but I still holster up for work everyday and visit places in not so nice parts of town.

Always enjoy the thread and the sunshine attitude that goes with it.

Posted by: TeeRoy Jenkins at May 01, 2022 07:46 PM (Io1eK)

109 Seriously, I think that older shooting styles had the trigger at a lower point on the finger, often a joint.

They did things differently then.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 01, 2022 07:47 PM (llXky)

110 Over 100 comments in, and noone have commented on Sgt. Joe Friday's trigger finger positioning, an obvious conversation sub-thread that Weasel not-so-innocently left lying right there?

It's like I don't even know you people anymore.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 01, 2022 07:47 PM (a3Q+t)

111 Think of Tinkerbell frolicking with a sheathed dagger and that's exactly not me.

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe 2022! at May 01, 2022 07:38 PM (wyw4S)
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I was thinking more Ziyi Zhang.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 01, 2022 07:47 PM (5pTK/)

112 >>Let me guess: 8" group at close range, no group at any other.Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 01, 2022 07:43 PM (llXky)

Three-yolk group at close range. Cheese. Salt and pepper, lots of (the good kind of) butter.

It's quiet, but the other shootists at the range sidled over.

Smells like...victory.

Posted by: ZOD at May 01, 2022 07:47 PM (x8kT3)

113 Rock Island STK 100 review continued. 2/3

I did not have any problems with the smooth grips, but all shooting has been done on the range with dry hands. It really does feel comfortable in the hand without the modern stipple jobs. The slight texturing worked fine, one handed and two handed, the gun is heavy-ish and that helps with the 9mm recoil as well.

It IS a Glock clone though and limp wristing can cause failures to feed.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at May 01, 2022 07:48 PM (eeRB6)

114 >>>Have to say I'm not in love with Joe's trigger finger work in the laundromat pic.

>Joe's putting 20lbs on that snubby trigger. Typical LA cop.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 01, 2022 07:48 PM (LkM8p)

115 Posted by: TeeRoy Jenkins at May 01, 2022 07:46 PM (Io1eK)
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Well very happy to have you here. Now that you've de-lurked, stick around and don't be a stranger!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 07:48 PM (0IeYL)

116 Hi Weasel and other gun enthusiasts.
Range report because Blaster has fallen down on his usual first report from the MGC outing. Today was sight review Sunday. I rented the G48 MOS with crimson Trace red dot and Hrothgar the G17 MOS with Holosun. Blaster brought his 226 with the green dot. After shooting the two glocks I have decided that the G48 MOS with holosun sight is my next purchase. The gun fits my hand perfectly and I have the G44 to practice with.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 01, 2022 07:48 PM (Y+l9t)

117 Rock Island STK 100 revive concluded (spam filter is being a butt today too)

Trigger is light, without the usual Glock 'hump' and a somewhat vague break point, more like a SIG/Kahr.

Accuracy was fine with 115gr ammo. The barrel is an unusual twist rate, the manual lists a 1 in 16 twist! While online comments indicate that is a typo and it may be a 1 in 10. In comparison a G17 is around 1 in 9 (just under 1 in 10) Barrel length is 4.5"
Allegedly, it does not stabilize heavier bullet weights, haven't fully tested that as I'm mostly on 'happy path' testing so far.

I'm not sure I'd recommend it. It was cheap, about $300 before tax and transfer fees. It does take Glock 17 mags, but NOT P-mags, sadly those do not seat.
Honestly...just spend the extra $ on a G17 unless you really want the extra weight or the novelty of an all metal Glock.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at May 01, 2022 07:48 PM (eeRB6)

118 Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 01, 2022 07:47 PM (a3Q+t)
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Good catch!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 07:49 PM (0IeYL)

119 It's like I don't even know you people anymore.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 01, 2022 07:47 PM (a3Q+t)
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As I said, if you look at vintage pictures, trigger use back in the day was very different. Some of it may have been the stiffness of the pull.

it's like the old FBI training *not* to use the sights ("they will only slow you down!").

As someone who watches more old movies than new ones, I found it unremarkable.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 01, 2022 07:49 PM (llXky)

120 Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 01, 2022 07:48 PM (Y+l9t)
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Howdy!!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 07:49 PM (0IeYL)

121 A glorious good evening to all you gunners.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 01, 2022 07:50 PM (P0g8W)

122 So I see the left has mostly abandoned the argument Musk buying twitter is bad because oligarchs shouldn't control media orgs...after so many people pointed out Bezos, Slim, Zuckerberg and the rest.

Now I see two new arguments. Both stupid.

1) Free speech doesn't include speech the government doesn't like. It ONLY includes speech the government approves of.

2) Elites use free speech to control you! We need uh, other elites, to make sure you don't hear speech from other normies...because the first group of elites will use it to control you!

Posted by: 18-1 at May 01, 2022 07:50 PM (ESjRY)

123 8" Lodge carbon steel fry-pan.

Posted by: ZOD at May 01, 2022 07:42 PM (x8kT3)

Yow! A 15,000 grain, all metal projectile!

Posted by: Gref at May 01, 2022 07:51 PM (AMIL/)

124 osted by: Ben Had at May 01, 2022 07:50 PM (P0g8W)
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Hello my friend!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 07:51 PM (0IeYL)

125 I have a burn on my stomach.
Posted by: nurse ratched at May 01, 2022 07:23 PM

* pushes 3 cc of home-made black drawing cream for the burn, and a dram of Jameson 1780 for the pain through the USB port for nurse. *

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 01, 2022 07:51 PM (a3Q+t)

126
Have to say I'm not in love with Joe's trigger finger work in the laundromat pic.
Posted by: Weasel

He killed a guy in that laundromat. The other guy shot first and missed but his bullet was hidden in the wall by a shelf.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 01, 2022 07:52 PM (63Dwl)

127 Yow! A 15,000 grain, all metal projectile!

Posted by: Gref at May 01, 2022 07:51 PM (AMIL/)
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One hell of a hollow point, too!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 01, 2022 07:52 PM (llXky)

128 Read someinfo on the new Walther PDP F series especially for female shooters. Lot of stuff about grip designed specifically for small hands and easier to operate slide. I am tempted enough to try and find one as they are pretty scarce but turns out there is actually one close by in MD. Going to at least check it out before I order the Glock. There are no G48MOS to be had in any store in MD or VA so it will have to be Guns.com.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 01, 2022 07:52 PM (Y+l9t)

129
He killed a guy in that laundromat. The other guy shot first and missed but his bullet was hidden in the wall by a shelf.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 01, 2022 07:52 PM (63Dwl)
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I think I remember that! The bullet lifted the shelf slightly as it went underneath and they didn't find it for a while!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 07:53 PM (0IeYL)

130 He killed a guy in that laundromat. The other guy shot first and missed but his bullet was hidden in the wall by a shelf.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 01, 2022 07:52 PM (63Dwl)
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Pencil mark under the shelf....

Gad, I now remember that episode. Looked like Friday was gonna lose his job.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 01, 2022 07:54 PM (5pTK/)

131 This week I tried out two FRT's for form and function. I installed a Rare Breed in an Aero M4E1 and an Alamo-15 in a DoubleStar Star-15. Shot both out to 225 yards on a torso sized steel target. Both ran fine doing 2 and 3 round bursts and plenty accurate from a bi-pod setup. The Alamo-15 has a better feel for both the trigger pull and the forced reset. I was able to get the rhythm for the Alamo while the Rare Breed was a little less in being able to pick up it's cadence, although both worked just fine. If your interested in this type of trigger, go with the Alamo.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 01, 2022 07:54 PM (R/m4+)

132 Inherited a Colt Cobra from my dad. It's my everyday right now.

Posted by: Hobbiehawk at May 01, 2022 07:54 PM (MliOx)

133 Is carrying the purpose of a snubbie? Something to carry without a holster? I have a 9mil, don't carry, am pretty new to all this stuff, and don't see it readily.

Thanks for the gun thread, Weasel!
Posted by: Catherine at May 01, 2022 07:18 PM (ZSsrh)

They're small, light, good for tussling. If you have to make body contact shots, a snubbie revolver works better than most automatics (Springfield XD and a couple of others excepted). I use a pocket holster for my S&W 36 and it hangs out in my jacket pocket pretty invisibly.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at May 01, 2022 07:54 PM (eeRB6)

134
I think I remember that! The bullet lifted the shelf slightly as it went underneath and they didn't find it for a while!
Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 07:53 PM (0IeYL)
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Of course I'm not sure where I parked my car, but this I remember.

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 07:54 PM (0IeYL)

135 Evening, Weasel, and thanks for another Gun Thread. I appreciate the time and work you put in every week to bring it to us. Regarding snub nose revolvers, my wife's latest acquisition is an S and W snub nose, 5 shot in 38 special. It has the concealed hammer and is made of light alloy. It is very lightweight, fits in my front pants pocket with a small holster I bought and let's me shoot groups at 7 yards in a tortilla sized pattern. That is all.

Posted by: Pod Hamp at May 01, 2022 07:55 PM (H+EKX)

136 Love the gub. Thanks, Weasel.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 01, 2022 07:55 PM (Xrfse)

137 Posted by: Hobbiehawk at May 01, 2022 07:54 PM (MliOx)
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Howdy Hobbiehawk! Welcome to the Gun Thread!!!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 07:56 PM (0IeYL)

138 What's really crazy about the particular Dragnet episode is, at the time, I thought, now way. Now, though? I've seen weirder things happen.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 01, 2022 07:56 PM (5pTK/)

139 "One other difference that I do NOT get is one has for "feed ramp", "Single", and the cheaper has "NON-ramped". Is this a big difference?"

I'll try to tackle this one w/ the warning that my limited experience is based entirely on Colt AR products, both GI and civilian platforms. Carbine AR's (i.e. M4 platforms) have a slightly different, extended feed ramp in the upper receiver, optimized to feed M855 (aka "green tip") and M855A1 rounds. Weapons w/o this improvement tended to jam in situations when the weapon was fired fast in semi-auto, or in burst/full auto. This was especially the case if the weapon didn't have an "H" marked buffer, which signified that the buffer had two steel weights and one of tungsten, which slowed the recoil impulse. Colt AR's w/ this improvement have "M4" marked just above where the gas tube enters the receiver above the chamber. (1 of 2)

Posted by: Ed L at May 01, 2022 07:56 PM (NacE+)

140 The sky was salmon. Morning. It would be a good day to shoot. "Will we kill things today, Papa?"
It was the young boy who did not yet know that killing was hard, and that shooting at paper was as good as killing, but not really. But kind of.
"No. Today we shoot at ink circles on paper."
"Why can't we shoot at things that we can kill?"
"First you have to learn to make the hole where you want, every time. In the paper."
"I'd rather kill things."
"You are young and stupid." The old man hit the young boy on the head with the eight-inch Lodge carbon-steel skillet.
"We'll shoot at paper, and then we'll fry eggs. And then, maybe, we'll shoot at people."

Posted by: ZOD Hemingway at May 01, 2022 07:56 PM (x8kT3)

141 let's me shoot groups at 7 yards in a tortilla sized pattern. That is all.

Posted by: Pod Hamp at May 01, 2022 07:55 PM (H+EKX)
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ZOD's skillet is the perfect size to thwart your marksmanship.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 01, 2022 07:56 PM (llXky)

142 Of course I'm not sure where I parked my car, but this I remember.
Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 07:54 PM (0IeYL)

That is a strong indicator of what you think is important!

Posted by: t_bodie - Lurker. Unless you are reading this. at May 01, 2022 07:56 PM (ixbDh)

143 127 Yow! A 15,000 grain, all metal projectile!

Posted by: Gref at May 01, 2022 07:51 PM (AMIL/)
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One hell of a hollow point, too!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 01, 2022 07:52 PM (llXky)

Ha! The 230 grain .45 ACP Speer Gold Dot hollow point is known as "The Flying Ashtray" but it's nothing compared to the new Flying Skillet hollow point!

Posted by: Gref at May 01, 2022 07:57 PM (AMIL/)

144 Posted by: Pod Hamp at May 01, 2022 07:55 PM (H+EKX)
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Thanks, Pod Hamp! Happy to do it.

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 07:57 PM (0IeYL)

145 >>>It is very lightweight, fits in my front pants pocket with a small holster I bought and let's me shoot groups at 7 yards in a tortilla sized pattern.

>Burrito or street taco?

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 01, 2022 07:57 PM (LkM8p)

146 "You are young and stupid." The old man hit the young boy on the head with the eight-inch Lodge carbon-steel skillet.
"We'll shoot at paper, and then we'll fry eggs. And then, maybe, we'll shoot at people."
Posted by: ZOD Hemingway at May 01, 2022 07:56 PM (x8kT3)

Note to self: Never enter the forest with an old man with a Lodge skillet.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 01, 2022 07:57 PM (yrol0)

147 140 The sky was salmon. Morning. It would be a good day to shoot. "Will we kill things today, Papa?"
It was the young boy who did not yet know that killing was hard, and that shooting at paper was as good as killing, but not really. But kind of.
"No. Today we shoot at ink circles on paper."
"Why can't we shoot at things that we can kill?"
"First you have to learn to make the hole where you want, every time. In the paper."
"I'd rather kill things."
"You are young and stupid." The old man hit the young boy on the head with the eight-inch Lodge carbon-steel skillet.
"We'll shoot at paper, and then we'll fry eggs. And then, maybe, we'll shoot at people."
Posted by: ZOD Hemingway at May 01, 2022 07:56 PM (x8kT3)

lol
moar

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at May 01, 2022 07:58 PM (eeRB6)

148 @ZOD H.

heh.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 01, 2022 07:58 PM (5pTK/)

149 And Weasel, have you posted a link to Gun Thread Archives? I think I remember that. I am looking for info on prperly sighting a new to me AR. Iron sights.

Posted by: t_bodie - Lurker. Unless you are reading this. at May 01, 2022 07:58 PM (ixbDh)

150 Anyone have any idea what the gun is that fd sent in?

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 07:58 PM (0IeYL)

151 (Continued feed ramp answer, 2 of 2)

If your AR doesn't have the improved feed ramp or the "H" buffer, you're limited to using M193 ammunition in your rifle. Whether this is a problem for you depends entirely on what you want to use your AR for. If it's to plink at the range, it's not a problem. If you're betting your life on it as a home defense or SHTF rifle, it's a big problem. You're losing the capability to use a large supply of ammo (M855 "green tips").

Posted by: Ed L at May 01, 2022 07:59 PM (NacE+)

152 That's the gun that Fred and Barney flashed at the liquor store.

Posted by: klaftern at May 01, 2022 07:59 PM (taPSh)

153 "We'll shoot at paper, and then we'll fry eggs. And then, maybe, we'll shoot at people."

Posted by: ZOD Hemingway at May 01, 2022 07:56 PM (x8kT3)
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All day they spent at the range, and the sun was bright and the air was crisp as it blew away the bitter gunsmoke and still they shot and made holes in the paper and the boy was happy and his father was pleased at the boy's progress.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 01, 2022 07:59 PM (llXky)

154 127 Yow! A 15,000 grain, all metal projectile!

Posted by: Gref at May 01, 2022 07:51 PM (AMIL/)

You hit someone with a Ram 1500 and they do not get up.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 01, 2022 07:59 PM (yrol0)

155 Quick range report, Weasel ...

We were traveling last week and now guests here shortly. So ... Was at range this morning and began doing off-hand shooting at 5 yards. Very interesting and to see how left and right war with one another. The best advice I got was to practice picking the gun up with my non-dominant, left hand -- start from there, as sit were -- and then move into either two handed or one-handed "fighting stance." Good practice.

I followed up on the advice I got last time -- thanks Blake! -- but the local IDPA is not especially friendly. They require a holster class ... but don't offer one and have no suggestions of "where to go" on their web site.

Have to run. Try to be back later.

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at May 01, 2022 07:59 PM (MEbkQ)

156 in a tortilla sized pattern.
Posted by: Pod Hamp at May 01, 2022 07:55 PM (H+EKX)

Ummm, WHICH size tortilla? Soft taco? Fajita? Burrito?

Posted by: GWB at May 01, 2022 08:00 PM (dO2Sg)

157 150 Anyone have any idea what the gun is that fd sent in?
Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 07:58 PM (0IeYL)

Looks like a percussion cap black powder handgun, but no idea apart from that. My knowledge of gun models starts in 1836

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at May 01, 2022 08:01 PM (eeRB6)

158 149 And Weasel, have you posted a link to Gun Thread Archives? I think I remember that. I am looking for info on prperly sighting a new to me AR. Iron sights.
Posted by: t_bodie - Lurker. Unless you are reading this. at May 01, 2022 07:58 PM (ixbDh)
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Unfortunately the archive is in a state of disrepair. Something I plan to correct, but it's going to be a big job. Tell you what - send me an email and I'll try and dig something up.

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 08:01 PM (0IeYL)

159 >>All day they spent at the range, and the sun was bright and the air was crisp as it blew away the bitter gunsmoke and still they shot and made holes in the paper and the boy was happy and his father was pleased at the boy's progress.Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 01, 2022 07:59 PM (llXky)

That's good work.

Posted by: ZOD Hemingway at May 01, 2022 08:01 PM (x8kT3)

160 Ummm, WHICH size tortilla? Soft taco? Fajita? Burrito?

Posted by: GWB at May 01, 2022 08:00 PM (dO2Sg)
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Depends on which tortilla is attacking, doesn't it?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 01, 2022 08:01 PM (llXky)

161 * pushes 3 cc of home-made black drawing cream for the burn, and a dram of Jameson 1780 for the pain through the USB port for nurse. *
Posted by: Duncanthrax

Thank you, kind sir.
Sometimes you get the brass. Sometimes the brass gets you.

Or something. Thank you for the forum, Weasel!

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 01, 2022 08:02 PM (U2p+3)

162 Blew right by Sgt Friday's laundromat photo

Posted by: Skip at May 01, 2022 08:03 PM (2JoB8)

163 Posted by: Ed L at May 01, 2022 07:59 PM (NacE+)

Thanks, Ed! Good info. I might pay a little more for the feed ramp, then, given that I'm going big with this AR build.

Posted by: GWB at May 01, 2022 08:03 PM (dO2Sg)

164 Posted by: nurse ratched at May 01, 2022 08:02 PM (U2p+3)
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My pleasure!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 08:03 PM (0IeYL)

165 I want the Sako Bavarian.

Someone make it happen.

Posted by: ZOD at May 01, 2022 08:03 PM (x8kT3)

166 & that's it for me, tonight. as always, Thanks, Weasel !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez -gaslighted?, more like napalmed at May 01, 2022 08:03 PM (LN3uv)

167 Quick comment on the Crimson Trace red dot vs the Holosun. The CT seemed to jump around more than the Holosun and the holosun was clearer. There is about a $75 dollar difference price wise. CT about $225 and Holosun about $310-$320 depending on K or C model.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 01, 2022 08:03 PM (Y+l9t)

168 Tell you what - send me an email and I'll try and dig something up.
Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 08:01 PM (0IeYL)

Thanks!

Posted by: t_bodie - Lurker. Unless you are reading this. at May 01, 2022 08:04 PM (ixbDh)

169 If I ever ill-begottenly catch ~~kleptomaniac~~ kleptocrat ~~Claude Cooper~~ Konstantin Kandinsky from ~~Cleveland~~ Krasny Kholm who copped my clean copper clappers kept in the Kremlin closet, I'll clobber him!

Posted by: joey biden at May 01, 2022 08:04 PM (UHVv4)

170 nurse!!!!

Posted by: Ben Had at May 01, 2022 08:04 PM (P0g8W)

171 I followed up on the advice I got last time -- thanks Blake! -- but the local IDPA is not especially friendly. They require a holster class ... but don't offer one and have no suggestions of "where to go" on their web site.
Posted by: SecondCityLurker at May 01, 2022 07:59 PM (MEbkQ)
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The local IDPA club decided to make your life hard? Wow, that seriously screwed up. Okay, I don't know your location, however, sometimes the same people who do CCW training do a holster class. Also, check the local indoor ranges. But, beyond that, look around for another club to shoot with. If an IDPA club is that unwelcoming to a new shooter, I find it hard to believe they're worth shooting with. I've shot a lot of different places, and I have yet to have a club act like that. I'm really sorry that happened.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 01, 2022 08:04 PM (5pTK/)

172 It was a skillet. It was a Lodge Skillet. Blacker than a miner lungs. Cold hard and black as a saloon hookers heart. Black, dark, black, very dark black. It was blacker than a 62 Eldorado Caddy, parked in the shade. I was thinking of something else black, maybe a 74 Vega gone way to long without an oil change.

Posted by: James Jones at May 01, 2022 08:05 PM (yrol0)

173 That's good work.

Posted by: ZOD Hemingway at May 01, 2022 08:01 PM (x8kT3)
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You're no slouch.

In fact, you're a tremendous slouch!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 01, 2022 08:05 PM (llXky)

174 My only guess of fd's piece is its a cap so pre civil war but not by much, 1850 would be my pool number..

Posted by: Skip at May 01, 2022 08:05 PM (2JoB8)

175 Hello. Ordered the chronograph, and looking forward to some nerd work to keep myself occupied. Even broke out a very old TX Instruments calculator and taped the ft pounds formula on the back. Other than that, I've been concentrating on my carry situation having to use a cane in my strong hand. The Taurus Slim I forgot about seems to be a solution with small of the back carry. I can draw very well with my left hand, palm out, and of course with the right hand. Because it's "Slim" it's not uncomfortable even sitting in a car seat.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 01, 2022 08:06 PM (lz5hY)

176 I shot a man in a laundromat, just to watch him dry.

Posted by: Zombie J Cash at May 01, 2022 08:07 PM (sReZj)

177 Had a terrific range visit. Perfect weather, range all to my self. Fired a few groups of my favorite 5.56 load of CFE223 and Hornady 75 gr match bullets. Always works. Ran SK Long Range through the 22 rifle. Also very acceptable accuracy. Fired a couple of mags through S&W Shield and Ruger MkIV. Hit where I aimed for a change. Don't get much better.
But wait there's more. Did lots of shopping as well using some of the links provided by Mr. Weasel. Picked up a brick of Norma TAC (cheap W/ free shipping) and several unobtaniums: Speer 75gr Gold Dot ammo, IMR 3031 and best of all 250 Savage brass. Hoo Boy!

Posted by: R Hill at May 01, 2022 08:07 PM (iViqu)

178 176 I shot a man in a laundromat, just to watch him dry.
Posted by: Zombie J Cash at May 01, 2022 08:07 PM (sReZj)

ISWYDT

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at May 01, 2022 08:07 PM (eeRB6)

179 Ola, ca va?

Have I been to the range?, baby, I'm on a range right now. Just walked in from zeroing in a fun walk about rifle with a new to me scope. More than impressed with the group size.(Bug hole).
How we all doing?

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 01, 2022 08:08 PM (bgJ0E)

180 Posted by: sock_rat_eez -gaslighted?, more like napalmed at May 01, 2022 08:03 PM (LN3uv)
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My pleasure. Nite sock rat!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 08:08 PM (0IeYL)

181

I don't often poast to The Gun Thread, but I thought it my duty to report that Yours Truly has finally fired the .45 Raptor! This was last weekend... I've yet to fully recover...

I took precisely three (3) shots to determine that I did not like it, not one bit, not at all... A rifle in that calibre is a veritable lead-slinging hate crime, in my exalted opinion!

Otherwise, I had a productive day of shooting a variety of other, more useful AR-type rifles with conventional cartridges, so all is well...

Posted by: Zettai at May 01, 2022 08:08 PM (nnFNT)

182 >I'm guessing this is something that should never be put in an internet search engine.

Naww, the Cock and Bull was a great old school bar and restaurant, famous for Moscow Mule cocktails. Was eating/drinking Sunday brunch with a pretty but dumb girl. Maybe it was the"pink squirrel" she was drinking. But definitely Webb stinkeye.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at May 01, 2022 08:08 PM (qK5iF)

183 Giggles is calling to brag about her new tattoo. BBL, I hope. If not, well, You guys crack me up? Zopd - excellent work. ThanX! all, and specially Weasel. Oh, anyone (Pillage Idiot) wanna dispose of their airweight aluminum .38 that was handed down? I promise I'll take good care of it (my Unicorn gun)

McGyver, probly out for the night

Posted by: McGyver at May 01, 2022 08:08 PM (mUYId)

184 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 01, 2022 07:49 PM (llXky)

My data set for older revolvers is very limited, but I think the older ones have significantly heavier triggers than modern ones. Perhaps this is the influence of target and competition shooters on Colt and S&W?

Posted by: Ed L at May 01, 2022 08:08 PM (NacE+)

185 It was a skillet. It was a Lodge Skillet. Blacker than a miner lungs. Cold hard and black as a saloon hookers heart. Black, dark, black, very dark black. It was blacker than a 62 Eldorado Caddy, parked in the shade. I was thinking of something else black, maybe a 74 Vega gone way to long without an oil change.

Posted by: James Jones at May 01, 2022 08:05 PM (yrol0)
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Though surrounded by foes, the Cimmerian did not show fear. He gripped the skillet and unleashed the ferocious energy of his mighty thews, snapping the hate-forged cookware through the teeth of one attacker and than breaking the nose and cheekbones of another.

"I shall make Crom such an omlet as never before was seared by men!" he thundered.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 01, 2022 08:09 PM (llXky)

186 178 176 I shot a man in a laundromat, just to watch him dry.
Posted by: Zombie J Cash at May 01, 2022 08:07 PM (sReZj)

ISWYDT
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at May 01, 2022 08:07 PM (eeRB6)

So my best friend lost his pledge pin (is that a GD pledge pin on your uniform) . We took apart an industrial dryer to recover it.

Posted by: James Jones at May 01, 2022 08:09 PM (yrol0)

187 components for it but a buddy of mine may have flung a 6.5 CR craving on me. Somebody talk me into it or out of it.
Posted by: Oddbob at May 01, 2022 07:10 PM (nfrXX)

Do what you like, but as I am a poor rifleman, .308 all the way.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 01, 2022 08:09 PM (bgJ0E)

188 off bad writer sox

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 01, 2022 08:09 PM (yrol0)

189 Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 01, 2022 08:08 PM (bgJ0E)
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Howdy, bro! All good here! Nice to hear from you!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 08:10 PM (0IeYL)

190 Ben Had!
Soon!

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 01, 2022 08:10 PM (U2p+3)

191 "Anyone have any idea what the gun is that fd sent in?"

The grip is so small it had to be uncomfortable to shoot. Having to carry it loaded with a cap under the hammer was probably uncomfortable too. I suppose this would be the kind of thing you tuck in your boot or garter.

Posted by: fd at May 01, 2022 08:10 PM (vrz2I)

192 That family heirloom doesn't shoot wooden bullets.

But it should.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 01, 2022 08:10 PM (8gxrg)

193 Cigar vixen! Have there been any robusto puns yet?

Posted by: Squid at May 01, 2022 08:10 PM (ciH9W)

194 I don't often poast to The Gun Thread, but I thought it my duty to report that Yours Truly has finally fired the .45 Raptor! This was last weekend... I've yet to fully recover...

Posted by: Zettai at May 01, 2022 08:08 PM (nnFNT)

.45 Raptor? Is that similar to .450 bushmaster? Was it the kick that you didn't like?

Posted by: Draki at May 01, 2022 08:10 PM (8ni2U)

195 Do what you like, but as I am a poor rifleman, .308 all the way.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2

Somehow I doubt that.

Hi there!

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 01, 2022 08:10 PM (U2p+3)

196 Posted by: James Jones at May 01, 2022 08:09 PM (yrol0)
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Ha! Welcome to the Gun Thread!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 08:11 PM (0IeYL)

197 Though surrounded by foes, the Cimmerian did not show fear. He gripped the skillet and unleashed the ferocious energy of his mighty thews, snapping the hate-forged cookware through the teeth of one attacker and than breaking the nose and cheekbones of another.

"I shall make Crom such an omlet as never before was seared by men!" he thundered.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 01, 2022 08:09 PM (llXky)

If you would not have made it 2 sentences it would be faulkneress.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 01, 2022 08:11 PM (yrol0)

198 It was the boy this time. Sam Fathers had let him come to the camp with the men, but after them, not shaming him but still putting him in the hierarchy, a tenderfoot, low, much to learn, tend to the menial projects.
The boy carried a Daisy Red Ryder BB gun, lever-action, good for shooting at grasshoppers in the hot Nebraska sun when the soil baked and curled and you could pick the brass BBs out of the dry soil and put them back into the cylinder and keep killing grasshoppers. But that was before the hunt-camp when the men let the boy come with them.
"Yao, that is a BB gun," said one of the men. Then they drank bourbon around the fire and laughed at the boy. Then the boy pointed the Red Ryder at the man's drunk, swollen, red eye and pulled the trigger and put the man's eye out, and the laughing stopped, and then it started again.

Posted by: ZOD Faulkner at May 01, 2022 08:11 PM (x8kT3)

199 My data set for older revolvers is very limited, but I think the older ones have significantly heavier triggers than modern ones. Perhaps this is the influence of target and competition shooters on Colt and S&W?

Posted by: Ed L at May 01, 2022 08:08 PM (NacE+)
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You had some really beefy double-action trigger pulls back in the day.

My Webley on single isn't exactly loose, and it's had a century to be worked over...

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 01, 2022 08:11 PM (llXky)

200 Got a secret gem for y'all. Best revenge movie I've seen in 30 years, with Blake Lively (WTF?!?) and Jude Law. "The Rhythm Section":

https://tinyurl.com/The-Rhythm-Section

Slow, gritty burn with subtle humor. Fantastic.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 01, 2022 08:11 PM (8gxrg)

201 Back to Sgt Joe Friday. There are a few of the episodes, early ones, where he was promoted to Lt Joe Friday. Even badge number 714 shown says Lieutenant. I'm thinking the LAPD, which had influence on the show, told production that Friday wouldn't be out in the field as much.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 01, 2022 08:12 PM (lz5hY)

202 Ben Had!
Nurse!

Soon....

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 01, 2022 08:12 PM (Y+l9t)

203 Did last week cover the new 6.8mm round for the Army? I missed it if it did. I'm loving the new round from the 5.56mm.

Posted by: Draki at May 01, 2022 08:12 PM (8ni2U)

204 Posted by: GWB at May 01, 2022 08:03 PM (dO2Sg)

GWB, don't forget the "H" marked heavy buffer too. You need both in order to get a reliable carbine that can feed green tip ammo.

Posted by: Ed L at May 01, 2022 08:12 PM (NacE+)

205 Speaking of snubbies -
PSA has Taurus 327s in stock. Pics don't match the Taurus model numbers. The one for $330 is flat black. The one for $340 is SS.

Not there is any 327 ammo available, but you can use the readily available 32 acp, also 32 H&R, 32 long, and 32 (short).

Many other gun stores hit by the ammoseek dot com bot had them but they sold out in a day or two.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 01, 2022 08:13 PM (/G2St)

206
Joe Friday, the man, the legend, the way of life. Col. Potter is hoot too as Joe's sidekick. Here's Joe Friday with Johnny Carson on the famous Copper Clapper Caper:
https://tinyurl.com/yame7ce8

And here is Joe Friday on Jack Benny in '74. The main action starts at 5:00 in, but Johnny Carson is there at the beginning. This is two of the all-time greats:
https://tinyurl.com/y2ucsdgp

This was the last appearance Jack Webb did as Joe Friday.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at May 01, 2022 08:14 PM (Mzdiz)

207 lol Zod!

Posted by: fd at May 01, 2022 08:15 PM (vrz2I)

208 167 Quick comment on the Crimson Trace red dot vs the Holosun. The CT seemed to jump around more than the Holosun and the holosun was clearer. There is about a $75 dollar difference price wise. CT about $225 and Holosun about $310-$320 depending on K or C model.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 01, 2022 08:03 PM (Y+l9t)

People with astigmatism like me typically find HoloSun images much crisper than EoTech and many other brands of holographic sights with crosses and circles. I recommend you go to a store or gun show and look at the sight images in the brands you're considering before you buy. Most brands of solid red dot sights are also fuzzy to me, but I don't have a problem using fuzzy-edged solid dots.

Posted by: Gref at May 01, 2022 08:15 PM (AMIL/)

209 ZOD is en fuego!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 08:15 PM (0IeYL)

210 I think this new literary component should become a regular feature.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 01, 2022 08:15 PM (Y+l9t)

211
That family heirloom doesn't shoot wooden bullets.

But it should.
Posted by: Sharkman

You'd shoot your wood eye out!

Posted by: Hare lip at May 01, 2022 08:16 PM (63Dwl)

212 .45 Raptor? Is that similar to .450 bushmaster? Was it the kick that you didn't like?

Posted by: Draki at May 01, 2022 08:10 PM

The recoil was tremendous! And annoying... My shots were on the paper, though I declined exhortations to keep shooting to improve my accuracy... "¡No más!"

Posted by: Zettai at May 01, 2022 08:17 PM (JL/Vq)

213 6.5 Creedmoor vs 308? It's a great question. If I were limited to one AR10 that might be the way to go. Problem with the 6.5 is it's slow out of the gate. Inside of 600 yards a 150gn 308 at 2900+fps will smoke a 140gn 6.5 launched at 2750. At 700 yards and beyond the 6.5 comes into it's own. Having several , I've opted for 308 and 6 Creedmoor. The 6 Creedmoor is a whole different ballgame!! I'm getting over 3100 fps with a 105gn. .243. For my purposes, the 6 Creed is outstanding!!

Posted by: ck at May 01, 2022 08:17 PM (iBg56)

214 Looking at Bear Creek uppers...
Does anyone with experience know if they pin their muzzle devices? I'd hate to get something "CA Compliant".

Posted by: GWB at May 01, 2022 08:18 PM (dO2Sg)

215 205 One of our regulars brought up euro .32 S&W wadcutters being loaded a little hotter than US stuff, for feeding in target autos. I have to agree. I had some Fiocchi and tried them in my little Iver Johnson Cadet, and there was a lot more snap and muzzle report.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 01, 2022 08:18 PM (lz5hY)

216 The recoil was tremendous! And annoying... My shots were on the paper, though I declined exhortations to keep shooting to improve my accuracy... "¡No más!"
Posted by: Zettai at May 01, 2022 08:17 PM (JL/Vq)

That's reasonable. You good with .30-06?

Posted by: Draki at May 01, 2022 08:19 PM (8ni2U)

217 So...triggers. I've come around to shoving as much of my trigger finger in as I comfortably fit. The 'press with the pad of the index finger' bit is only good for braced, precision shooting, for me. For any gun handling shooting, use the crease of the first finger joint, and if it's a 1911, maybe go further still.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at May 01, 2022 08:19 PM (eeRB6)

218 Then the boy pointed the Red Ryder at the man's drunk, swollen, red eye and pulled the trigger and put the man's eye out, and the laughing stopped, and then it started again.
Posted by: ZOD Faulkner at May 01, 2022 08:11 PM (x8kT3)

Christmas with the Faulks.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 01, 2022 08:19 PM (yrol0)

219 Does anyone with experience know if they pin their muzzle devices? I'd hate to get something "CA Compliant".
Posted by: GWB at May 01, 2022 08:18 PM (dO2Sg)
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Usually, when places sell their stuff, they'll specify where it isn't compliant and, or, legal to own.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 01, 2022 08:20 PM (5pTK/)

220 PSA has Taurus 327s in stock.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 01, 2022 08:13 PM (/G2St)
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The problem I have with .327 magnum is that it's too heavy.

The genius of .32 magnum is that you take a compact .38, make six smaller holes rather than five and then use higher-velocity rounds to give you one extra cartridge AND better ballistic performance.

I get that .327 gives you ultimate variety of ammo, but since it uses a .357 frame, it's that much heavier. And since I'm fine with .38 (and by extension .32 magnum), I don't see the need for the extra oomph.

I really like the Undercoverette. If .32 Long were cheaper (it's out there), I'd be recommending it to people who are recoil-shy. It is mild to shoot and yet you get twice the energy of .22 LR or .25 ACP.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 01, 2022 08:20 PM (llXky)

221 bif's range report, is lame.

squirels have been hanging out, thug life style, in our cat entertainment system (bird feeder). i broke out the .25 cal pellets ( these ones - https://is.gd/rKlAGR ) and a steel spinner target to get back in shape. 75 feet from my sniper nest (upstairs office window). i've peeled off the paint in the target center and have moved on to. the. tree. rats.

two days, five down. head shots all. i hate those damned things.
You f***ed with squirrels, Morty! We've got a good five minutes before they're back and up on our ass, Morty! We have to pack up and move to a new reality, Morty!

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (UgAdJ) - at May 01, 2022 08:20 PM (UgAdJ)

222 (Bug hole).

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 01, 2022 08:08 PM (bgJ0E)

I would normally think that meant something ENTIRELY different....

Posted by: GWB at May 01, 2022 08:21 PM (dO2Sg)

223 Well I am poor this week and next now as there was a gun auction yesterday. So I came home with an FN and some other baubles. The FN was a Model D in .30-06 with spare barrel and 9 x mags. Very pleased but maxed the dollars out. Gun Jesus has a couple of utube vids on that model, the best of the BAR's. Unfortunately as I get home last night with a gun mate who bought a RDP at the same time and started our usual strip down on the weapon, I find the firing pin missing from mine and the breach block missing from the RDP. Poo, to put it mildly. The old bugger who had sold both guns had forgotten to put these reasonably vital parts back in the gun and they are in his gun safe 30 mile away. Awaiting parts to arrive in a week. Frustrated.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 01, 2022 08:21 PM (bgJ0E)

224 o...triggers. I've come around to shoving as much of my trigger finger in as I comfortably fit. The 'press with the pad of the index finger' bit is only good for braced, precision shooting, for me. For any gun handling shooting, use the crease of the first finger joint, and if it's a 1911, maybe go further still

two fingers, all the way, maybe a third

Posted by: confederatefifth at May 01, 2022 08:21 PM (K3ZCc)

225 I've got a Smith & Wesson 640, I think that's a snub nose.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 01, 2022 08:22 PM (m0zqP)

226 ...You good with .30-06?

Posted by: Draki at May 01, 2022 08:19 PM

It was decades ago, but I don't recall the .30-06 being unreasonable...

Posted by: Zettai at May 01, 2022 08:22 PM (JL/Vq)

227 Sharon, I have a new wine for you to try--it's called GunSight.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 01, 2022 08:23 PM (P0g8W)

228 Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 01, 2022 08:21 PM (bgJ0E)
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Well that sucks!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 08:23 PM (0IeYL)

229 on a more serikus note, thise particular pellets are by far the most accurate i've found. aiming at a four in diameter target at 75 feet range, with a maybe 30 foot drop in elevation, i hit dead center of the target with no aim point elevation adjustment. other pellers i've rried seem to tumble and drop elevation too quickly.

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (UgAdJ) - at May 01, 2022 08:23 PM (UgAdJ)

230 Obviously, not a match for fd's family heirloom but here's a similar percussion "pocket pistol".

https://www.icollector.com/
item.aspx?i=16269090

And an "Allen & Thurber" piece:
https://tinyurl.com/4ya2yapy

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at May 01, 2022 08:23 PM (UHVv4)

231 @bif, nice work with the pellet gun.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 01, 2022 08:24 PM (5pTK/)

232 two fingers, all the way, maybe a third
Posted by: confederatefifth at May 01, 2022 08:21 PM (K3ZCc)

I kinda expected something like this

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at May 01, 2022 08:24 PM (eeRB6)

233 150 ...
Weasel,
The gun f'd showed is probably a pocket or boot pistol. Single shot black powder percussion which would make it circa mid-1830s or later. There is no place for a ramrod and that sharp line where the barrel meets the frame means it could be what is called a screw barrel pistol. You unscrew the barrel, drop in a round ball, and fill the cavity with powder, then screw the barrel back in place. No speed loader option.

They were sometimes called a muff gun. (Get your minds out of the gutter.) Women could carry it concealed if they were using a muff to keep their hands warm.

Posted by: JTB at May 01, 2022 08:24 PM (7EjX1)

234 I kinda expected something like this
Posted by: M

yes

Posted by: confederatefifth at May 01, 2022 08:24 PM (K3ZCc)

235 Ben Had, appropriate!

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 01, 2022 08:24 PM (Y+l9t)

236 Posted by: JTB at May 01, 2022 08:24 PM (7EjX1)
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Great info, JTB! Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 08:25 PM (0IeYL)

237
two fingers, all the way, maybe a third
Posted by: confederatefifth

i think maybe FJB is socking a regular.

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (UgAdJ) - at May 01, 2022 08:25 PM (UgAdJ)

238 So...triggers. I've come around to shoving as much of my trigger finger in as I comfortably fit. The 'press with the pad of the index finger' bit is only good for braced, precision shooting, for me. For any gun handling shooting, use the crease of the first finger joint, and if it's a 1911, maybe go further still.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at May 01, 2022 08:19 PM (eeRB6)
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Try a spring-powered grip strengthener. It make a big difference.

Pretty soon you'll be firing .44 magnum one-handed.

Actually, I'm often better with one hand - my problem is that I let the supporting hand overpower my relaxed shooting hand. Without support, my grip is much stronger (because it has to be!) and I'm more accurate.

Last week using .32 ACP (not exactly artillery) I was hitting low to the right. If figured that because I'm using non-standard ammo for the revolver, that's just how it goes. So I tried it with one hand. Whoops! Shots started hitting on center!

Went back to using support but clenched the *whole hand* and got much better results.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 01, 2022 08:25 PM (llXky)

239 He pulled the pan down. A Lodge Pan. Maybe 10" on a good day. It was blacken, not black, but blackened. Today was the social. He did not want to go but it was the day they met to cook, as a community, as a family, as a tribe.

He had the pan but he did not have a plan. Chicken Cordon Bleu. Coco Aux Vin. Maybe just a damned Col. Sander knockoff. Whatever, he marched toward town, Lodge in hand, recipes swirling in his head.

Posted by: Bad Hemmingway at May 01, 2022 08:25 PM (yrol0)

240 Since Springfield Armory came out with the SA-35, FN has also come out with a new Hi-Power, and EAA/Girsan has MCP35. That's unusual to day the least. SA35 runs about $699, The FN in right $799 and the EAA/Girsan is $567. I know we've been talking about the SA35 like the coming out of Brooke Shields but I just may wait to see the FN.

Posted by: Eromero at May 01, 2022 08:26 PM (0OP+5)

241 Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at May 01, 2022 08:23 PM (UHVv4)
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Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 08:27 PM (0IeYL)

242 GWB, don't forget the "H" marked heavy buffer too. You need both in order to get a reliable carbine that can feed green tip ammo.
Posted by: Ed L at May 01, 2022 08:12 PM (NacE+)

I doubt NATO is making this in "green tip" yet. Or in anything. But given that I've read reviews of some magazines that didn't feed as well, I think a feed ramp might help things. What's interesting is I don't even see "feed ramp" mentioned on other manufacturer's sites for these uppers.

Posted by: GWB at May 01, 2022 08:27 PM (dO2Sg)

243 Optics is the future of guns. Next after that, and logically, the top surface that isn't an upper.

Actor of the day ...

David Keith was in Novocaine with Kevin Bacon.

David Keith was in The Puppet Masters with Donald Sutherland, who was in Bear Island with Christopher Lee.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 01, 2022 08:27 PM (ybIRR)

244
They were sometimes called a muff gun. (Get your minds out of the gutter.) Women could carry it concealed if they were using a muff to keep their hands warm.

Posted by: JTB at May 01, 2022 08:24 PM (7EjX1)
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There is a hilarious video by Bloke on the Range discussing muff guns, and they have actual muffs.

"So let's look at my wife's muff, which as you see, is quite restricted in terms of what one could keep in it."

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 01, 2022 08:28 PM (llXky)

245 Posted by: blake

thank you! it's a bazos special i got from Smash for a birthday so nothing expensive. but it packs a solid punch. dropped a mature rabbbit at maybe 80 feet cold. didn't even kick. just fell over. bastard was digging under the house foundation.

now chipmunks those little tree root gnawing shits are tough to hit.

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (UgAdJ) - at May 01, 2022 08:28 PM (UgAdJ)

246 Oh. And I scored 1k rounds of 380 at .50 a round.

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 01, 2022 08:28 PM (U2p+3)

247 240 Do you think FN just might go back to Browning quality bluing, a round hammer, and ditch the magazine safety?

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 01, 2022 08:29 PM (lz5hY)

248 Now do Steinbeck.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 01, 2022 08:29 PM (LkM8p)

249 Here's a utube of the Dragnet episode with Joe Friday's questionable trigger finger positioning as shown to us by Weasel. The miracles of the InterWebz and InterWebz searching!

https://tinyurl.com/4kadk8t4

Posted by: Gref at May 01, 2022 08:29 PM (AMIL/)

250 126
Have to say I'm not in love with Joe's trigger finger work in the laundromat pic.
Posted by: Weasel

He killed a guy in that laundromat. The other guy shot first and missed but his bullet was hidden in the wall by a shelf.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 01, 2022 07:52 PM (63Dwl)

I remember that episode! The bad guy ran out, wounded, and died somewhere else, after ditching his gun. Old Joe was suspected of gunning him down without justification. At the end of the episode, they found the bad guy's bullet in the wall behind Joe.

Posted by: a.moron at May 01, 2022 08:29 PM (F6Xpw)

251 Gref, thanks for the reminder. I did check out sights at teh Gun Show last week. I realized that the Holosun I shot today was the 407 model which did not have the circle around the dot. The 507 K that I looked at at the gun show was incredibly crisp and had the circle. That is the model that is over $300. I wear bifocals and actually wear a patch over my left eye so these red dots are incredible improvement.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 01, 2022 08:29 PM (Y+l9t)

252 Well that sucks!
Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 08:23 PM (0IeYL)

Yep, Gidday to you Nurse and Ben Had, and of course all other Gub hordeians.

About to phone the old bugger again to make sure he actually has the missing parts in front of him. He was selling a few Gee Rands and an M60 but I passed. Never seen a "brand new" M1 C and M1 D with bloody grenade launcher sights on board.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 01, 2022 08:30 PM (bgJ0E)

253 Posted by: nurse ratched at May 01, 2022 08:28 PM (U2p+3)
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Nice! Congratulations!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 08:30 PM (0IeYL)

254 Went back to using support but clenched the *whole hand* and got much better results.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 01, 2022 08:25 PM (llXky)

Good advice. I do have some grip strength clay, just need to use it. And practice more. I am seeing improvement by the end of each shooting session. Just need to practice what I suck at.

Interesting how your grip affected your point of impact. Food for thought.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at May 01, 2022 08:31 PM (eeRB6)

255 Wow I've never tried to unscrew the barrel. Brb.

Posted by: fd at May 01, 2022 08:31 PM (vrz2I)

256 Eromero, isn't there a drawing coming up soon? I have to hunt to see what I did with the tickets.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 01, 2022 08:32 PM (P0g8W)

257 like the coming out of Brooke Shields but I just may wait to see the FN.
Posted by: Eromero at May 01, 2022 08:26 PM

Brooke Shields is batting for the other team now?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 01, 2022 08:32 PM (a3Q+t)

258 248 Now do Steinbeck.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 01, 2022 08:29 PM (LkM8p)

Never read him. Mice and Man. It would be easier to do F Scott.

Posted by: Bad Hemmingway at May 01, 2022 08:32 PM (yrol0)

259 General Ursus looked on the man and his son. They were blissfully unaware of the platoon of Bath Salt Gorilla Cavalry set in ambush. The General noted the pan in which they cooked something. Eggs, perhaps. It had been hours since his last banana, and the edgy hunger brought by the Bath Salts His Excellency provided was honed to a fine point. Ursus remebered simpler days, when his own father taught him to shoot, and ultimately, to kill.

Posted by: Retief at May 01, 2022 08:33 PM (vSlT4)

260 So, just tossing this out there: If I were to put up a "Send blake to the machine gun range as long as he does a write up" givesendgo, would anyone donate?

On a more serious note, later on this year, I am going to make a trip to the local machine range. Looks a hoot.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 01, 2022 08:34 PM (5pTK/)

261 off sox

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 01, 2022 08:34 PM (yrol0)

262 NZFrank, a Texas sized hug for you!!

Posted by: Ben Had at May 01, 2022 08:34 PM (P0g8W)

263 Were David Keith and Keith David ever in the same movie? Cuz that would be..awesome!

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at May 01, 2022 08:34 PM (x8Wzq)

264 Muff pistol with bayonet!
https://tinyurl.com/43et48bv

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at May 01, 2022 08:35 PM (UHVv4)

265 his father was pleased at the boy's progress.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd

The father then hit the boy in the head with the 8" Lodge pan to remind him the 8" Lodge pan waiting for the boy's next inanity.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at May 01, 2022 08:35 PM (HDU5E)

266 240 Since Springfield Armory came out with the SA-35, FN has also come out with a new Hi-Power, and EAA/Girsan has MCP35. That's unusual to day the least. SA35 runs about $699, The FN in right $799 and the EAA/Girsan is $567. I know we've been talking about the SA35 like the coming out of Brooke Shields but I just may wait to see the FN.

Posted by: Eromero at May 01, 2022 08:26 PM (0OP+5)

The new FN Hi-Power is not a clone of Browning's design. There are a few differences to make it "modern," described in this article:

https://tinyurl.com/bdfdv953

Posted by: Gref at May 01, 2022 08:35 PM (AMIL/)

267 Anyone ever dealt with Moriarti Arms or AR15parts.com?
Are they good stuff? Reliable? Any issues?

Posted by: GWB at May 01, 2022 08:35 PM (dO2Sg)

268 This Side of Paradise and a Derringer.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 01, 2022 08:36 PM (LkM8p)

269 At 700 yards and beyond the 6.5 comes into it's own.

That's useful to know. My local range only goes to 300. If I want to drive an hour to the other side of town, there's a range that goes to 5 or 6.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 01, 2022 08:36 PM (nfrXX)

270 262 NZFrank, a Texas sized hug for you!!
Posted by: Ben Had at May 01, 2022 08:34 PM (P0g8W)

Thanks, but mind my back having being chain sawing earlier.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 01, 2022 08:36 PM (bgJ0E)

271 Retief. Good to see you!!

Posted by: Ben Had at May 01, 2022 08:37 PM (P0g8W)

272 The 507 K that I looked at at the gun show was incredibly crisp and had the circle. That is the model that is over $300. I wear bifocals and actually wear a patch over my left eye so these red dots are incredible improvement.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 01, 2022 08:29 PM

Sharon, if you can check out the green dot version of the 507. Everyone I know who's compared them prefers them. Only downside is slightly worse battery life, which since batteries can be changed w/o dismounting the sight on a Holosun, isn't a big deal.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 01, 2022 08:37 PM (a3Q+t)

273 It was the best of muffs, it was the worst of muffs... then the murders began.

Posted by: Chuck D at May 01, 2022 08:37 PM (sReZj)

274 Interesting how your grip affected your point of impact. Food for thought.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at May 01, 2022 08:31 PM (eeRB6)
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I am overcoming years of not keeping the lower fingers tight enough. It does not happen when I'm firing serious ordnance because I know to hang on tight.

Thus: I can drive nails with .357 magnum but in .38 I would be sloppy. I used to blame the ammo, slightly larger cylinder gap, but when I got into mouse guns, it became obvious what was going on.

I think that's partly why heavier guns are more accurate - they force a strong grip, which brings greater accuracy.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 01, 2022 08:37 PM (llXky)

275 Posted by: GWB at May 01, 2022 08:27 PM (dO2Sg)

For AR magazines, go w/ Magpul. There's a reason why deploying GIs (including me) bought these things w/ their own money. If you're using GI surplus magazines, make sure they have anti-tilt followers. Older magazines w/o anti-tilt followers are suitable only for training/range use.

Posted by: Ed L at May 01, 2022 08:37 PM (NacE+)

276 For AR magazines, go w/ Magpul. There's a reason why deploying GIs (including me) bought these things w/ their own money. If you're using GI surplus magazines, make sure they have anti-tilt followers. Older magazines w/o anti-tilt followers are suitable only for training/range use.
Posted by: Ed L at May 01, 2022 08:37 PM (NacE+)

+1

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at May 01, 2022 08:38 PM (eeRB6)

277 "They were sometimes called a muff gun"

There is a seam in front of the "54" that you can't really see in the picture. I can't unscrew the barrel by hand though.

Thanks for the info. Muff gun. Grandpa would have laughed.

Posted by: fd at May 01, 2022 08:38 PM (vrz2I)

278 When I was at basic training at Ft. Sill, we had Christmas exodus right in the middle of training. I hated that. I just wanted to keep going, power through, maybe have a turkey dinner after church. But no. We all had to fly home for a week.

Anyhoo, we all had to sit in the day room prior to departure and they played the Jack Webb movie DI. Twice.

Bobby Troupe in MASH summed it up nicely: Gawdam Army.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at May 01, 2022 08:38 PM (x8Wzq)

279 Wow I've never tried to unscrew the barrel. Brb.
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LOL!

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at May 01, 2022 08:39 PM (UHVv4)

280 Wow, never know what the gun threat will turn into! Who could have predicted a creative writing workshop?

Thanks again, Weasel!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 01, 2022 08:39 PM (llXky)

281 271 Retief. Good to see you!!
Posted by: Ben Had at May 01, 2022 08:37 PM (P0g8W)

I'm a big fan of how he handles his diplomatic duties

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at May 01, 2022 08:39 PM (eeRB6)

282 Duncanthrax, the green dot was the version I saw at the gun show. It automatically shuts itself off and the battery can be changed without removing the sight. It seemed worth the extra cost without a doubt.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 01, 2022 08:39 PM (Y+l9t)

283 I think that's partly why heavier guns are more accurate - they force a strong grip, which brings greater accuracy.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 01, 2022 08:37 PM

Now multiply that by using an inherently accurate caliber like the .41 Magnum.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 01, 2022 08:40 PM (a3Q+t)

284 251 Gref, thanks for the reminder. I did check out sights at teh Gun Show last week. I realized that the Holosun I shot today was the 407 model which did not have the circle around the dot. The 507 K that I looked at at the gun show was incredibly crisp and had the circle. That is the model that is over $300. I wear bifocals and actually wear a patch over my left eye so these red dots are incredible improvement.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 01, 2022 08:29 PM (Y+l9t)

Hologram sights with crosses and circles often have a variety of sight images you can select. Circles, crosses, circles with crosses, dots; and often selectable image sizes too.

Posted by: Gref at May 01, 2022 08:40 PM (AMIL/)

285 Keith David had a grueling fight with Piper in They Live, because he didn't want to put the sunglasses on.

He was a gunfighter in The Quick and the Dead.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 01, 2022 08:40 PM (ybIRR)

286 For AR magazines, go w/ Magpul. There's a reason why deploying GIs (including me) bought these things w/ their own money. If you're using GI surplus magazines, make sure they have anti-tilt followers. Older magazines w/o anti-tilt followers are suitable only for training/range use.

plastic mags are not the way to go they wear too much

Posted by: confederatefifth at May 01, 2022 08:40 PM (K3ZCc)

287

I've got an old "muff pistol" right here in front of me now!

The barrel does indeed unscrew revealing a cavity in the breech -- I did not know that is how it is loaded... Cool!

Posted by: Zettai at May 01, 2022 08:41 PM (nnFNT)

288 His skillet was black, smooth, pretty, soft and black. The handle was smooth as a babys ass, smooth as a teenagers tit, smooth.

He touched it but did not take it down. It was better to watch, to see, to admire; but to touch it, not now.

It was like his war days, peeling potatos, making gravy, cooking liver, but with a more somber cloud above.

Today he would cook for people, not soldiers.

Posted by: Bad Hemmingway at May 01, 2022 08:41 PM (yrol0)

289 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 01, 2022 08:39 PM (llXky)
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Happy to do it!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 08:41 PM (0IeYL)

290 Duncanthrax, have a question for you in the AM.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 01, 2022 08:42 PM (P0g8W)

291 271

Good to be here! The gun thread is my single favorite of the week!

Posted by: Retief at May 01, 2022 08:42 PM (vSlT4)

292 Wasn't "Muff Gun" a Kiss song?

Posted by: fd at May 01, 2022 08:42 PM (vrz2I)

293 Do the magpul M2s have anti-tilt?

Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 01, 2022 08:42 PM (ybIRR)

294 I'm a big fan of how he handles his diplomatic duties
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at May 01, 2022 08:39 PM (eeRB6)
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I'm an even bigger fan of the acronyms Keith Laumer came up with. I believe Laumer based some of his writings off of his experience in the US Foreign Service.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 01, 2022 08:42 PM (5pTK/)

295 I finally got to take S and W SDE v9 out and try it out.

Yikes.

I shoots just where I point it.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at May 01, 2022 08:43 PM (lKAqb)

296 Posted by: Retief at May 01, 2022 08:42 PM (vSlT4)
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Why thank you. I'm glad you enjoy it!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 08:43 PM (0IeYL)

297 Eh, maybe I'm just getting old and tired, but I'd rather have a muffin gun, shooting tiny, delicious muffins.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at May 01, 2022 08:44 PM (KFhLj)

298 292 Wasn't "Muff Gun" a Kiss song?
Posted by: fd at May 01, 2022 08:42 PM (vrz2I)

I think it was Spinal Tap.

Posted by: Bad Hemmingway at May 01, 2022 08:44 PM (yrol0)

299 Wasn't "Muff Gun" a Kiss song?
Posted by: fd at May 01, 2022 08:42 PM (vrz2I)
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I think you're confusing it with a song we wrote.

Posted by: Spinal Tap at May 01, 2022 08:44 PM (5pTK/)

300 Wasn't "Muff Gun" a Kiss song?
Posted by: fd at May 01, 2022 08:42 PM (vrz2I)

Probably.

I gave up on them the day I found Black Sabbath. Kiss are a bunch of fags, except for Ace. Ace is cool.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at May 01, 2022 08:45 PM (x8Wzq)

301 Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at May 01, 2022 08:43 PM (lKAqb)
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Howdy and welcome Chatterbox Mouse! Nice to see so many people de-lurking!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 08:45 PM (0IeYL)

302 298 292 Wasn't "Muff Gun" a Kiss song?
Posted by: fd at May 01, 2022 08:42 PM (vrz2I)
I think it was Spinal Tap.
Posted by: Bad Hemmingway at May 01, 2022 08:44 PM (yrol0)
299 Wasn't "Muff Gun" a Kiss song?
Posted by: fd at May 01, 2022 08:42 PM (vrz2I)
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I think you're confusing it with a song we wrote.
Posted by: Spinal Tap at May 01, 2022 08:44 PM (5pTK/)

ha fucking ha

Posted by: Bad Hemmingway at May 01, 2022 08:45 PM (yrol0)

303 I think that's partly why heavier guns are more accurate - they force a strong grip, which brings greater accuracy.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at May 01, 2022 08:37 PM (llXky)

As I stopped competitive pistola shooting a decade or so ago, and now I think about it, that was probably working for me also, albeit subconsciously. I was not so good on light hand guns but better on 1911's and heavy wheelguns, etc. Not that I care nowadays, as I never bring a pistol to a belt fed gun fight.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 01, 2022 08:45 PM (bgJ0E)

304 293 Do the magpul M2s have anti-tilt?
Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 01, 2022 08:42 PM (ybIRR)

Yes. I think all of them, even gen 1, do.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at May 01, 2022 08:45 PM (eeRB6)

305 The barrel does indeed unscrew revealing a cavity in the breech -- I did not know that is how it is loaded... Cool!
Posted by: Zettai at May 01, 2022 08:41 PM

In those wretched hives of scum and villainy known as Daywalker Threads, this would have 30 replies by now.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 01, 2022 08:45 PM (a3Q+t)

306 And yet another horde mind meld happens.

Amazing.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 01, 2022 08:45 PM (5pTK/)

307 Oddbob, that was my problem with the 6.5. My range is 600 and I couldn't see any benefit to owning a 6.5. 308 is the easiest projectile to find, and cheap. Not to mention Lake City brass is nearly free for 308's. I get more firings out of Lake City than any other large primer brass.

Posted by: ck at May 01, 2022 08:46 PM (iBg56)

308 And yet another horde mind meld happens.

Amazing.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 01, 2022 08:45 PM (5pTK/)

Kinda creepy, really. But funny. And creepy.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at May 01, 2022 08:46 PM (x8Wzq)

309 292 Wasn't "Muff Gun" a Kiss song?

Posted by: fd at May 01, 2022 08:42 PM (vrz2I)

Sounds more like Zappa. Or Spinal Tap.

Posted by: a.moron at May 01, 2022 08:47 PM (F6Xpw)

310 I've conflated Kiss and Spinal Tap before.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 01, 2022 08:47 PM (ybIRR)

311 310 I've conflated Kiss and Spinal Tap before.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 01, 2022 08:47 PM (ybIRR)

Same band

Posted by: Bad Hemmingway at May 01, 2022 08:48 PM (yrol0)

312 two days, five down. head shots all. i hate those damned things.
You f***ed with squirrels, Morty! We've got a good five minutes before they're back and up on our ass, Morty! We have to pack up and move to a new reality, Morty!
Posted by: BifBewalski @ (UgAdJ) - at May 01, 2022 08:20 PM (UgAdJ)

Somewhere a Gary Larson cartoon is being born.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 01, 2022 08:48 PM (axyOa)

313 of bad writer sox

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 01, 2022 08:48 PM (yrol0)

314 311 310 I've conflated Kiss and Spinal Tap before.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 01, 2022 08:47 PM (ybIRR)

Same band

Posted by: Bad Hemmingway at May 01, 2022 08:48 PM (yrol0)

But different makeup.

Posted by: a.moron at May 01, 2022 08:49 PM (F6Xpw)

315 plastic mags are not the way to go they wear too much

Posted by: confederatefifth at May 01, 2022 08:40 PM (K3ZCc)

Do you prefer aluminum? I've found them to be on the frail side, especially the feed lips.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at May 01, 2022 08:49 PM (eeRB6)

316 Weasel, I'm going to send you an email with a link to an interesting bit on a snubby revolver.

And don't forget the other email I sent. (I can always be counted on to ask a question.)

Posted by: GWB at May 01, 2022 08:49 PM (dO2Sg)

317 Great GT Weasel, thanks!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at May 01, 2022 08:49 PM (HDU5E)

318 Posted by: Bad Hemmingway at May 01, 2022 08:41 PM (yrol0)

You authors should email some Weasel-Joe Friday Dragnet openings to our host to review and post next week. Example:

"This is the city, Chicago, Illinois. My name is Weasel-Joe. My partner is Jim SND. It was Tuesday, July 10. We were working the night watch out of Gang Mass Shootings Division. A call came in about shots fired near Lori Lightfoot's house. We ignored it and went to the all-night donut shop..."

Posted by: Gref at May 01, 2022 08:49 PM (AMIL/)

319 Somewhere a Gary Larson cartoon is being born.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 01, 2022 08:48 PM (axyOa)

Bif kills moar squirrels than his town can eat.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 01, 2022 08:49 PM (yrol0)

320 Ben Had, call me between 8 & 9, or drop me an email and I'll check frequently.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 01, 2022 08:50 PM (a3Q+t)

321

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 01, 2022 08:50 PM (a3Q+t)

322 The new FN Hi-Power is not a clone of Browning's design. There are a few differences to make it "modern," described in this article:

https://tinyurl.com/bdfdv953

That finish may be 9+ for functionality but it's a 5 for appearance, maybe less for the FDE and "stainless." To be fair, I've only seen the SA-35 in pictures too but it looks much nicer, IMO.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 01, 2022 08:50 PM (nfrXX)

323 Well, time to wander.

Be well and, remember, every time a conservative points and laughs, a liberal has a meltdown!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at May 01, 2022 08:51 PM (5pTK/)

324 But different makeup.
Posted by: a.moron at May 01, 2022 08:49 PM (F6Xpw)

Could you live without the sex and drugs and rock n roll?

Yes I would live without the rock and roll.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 01, 2022 08:51 PM (yrol0)

325 Posted by: confederatefifth at May 01, 2022 08:40 PM (K3ZCc)

Got to disagree w/ you on that. Aluminum mags are liable to bends and dents which will deadline the magazine. Those bends and dents aren't always visible, which makes them hard to detect by the user. I've seen aluminum mags get bent/dented by the pressure from a seat belt during a rollover by a Hum-Vee. Plastic mags can crack, but the cracks are easier to detect by a soldier. Steel (EX: HK mags) is tougher, but heavier. This a huge disadvantage if you're packing 10-12 mags as your basic load of ammo. Every ounce counts.

Posted by: Ed L at May 01, 2022 08:51 PM (NacE+)

326 And don't forget the other email I sent. (I can always be counted on to ask a question.)
Posted by: GWB at May 01, 2022 08:49 PM (dO2Sg)
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Another besides the two above? I'll have to go back and check - thought I had caught up!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 08:52 PM (0IeYL)

327 Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at May 01, 2022 08:49 PM (HDU5E)
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Thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 08:52 PM (0IeYL)

328 I keep thinking I must have something else I'm supposed to be doing and then there is another post that makes me laugh out loud.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 01, 2022 08:52 PM (Y+l9t)

329 307 Oddbob, that was my problem with the 6.5. My range is 600 and I couldn't see any benefit to owning a 6.5. 308 is the easiest projectile to find, and cheap. Not to mention Lake City brass is nearly free for 308's. I get more firings out of Lake City than any other large primer brass.
Posted by: ck at May 01, 2022 08:46 PM (iBg56)

Bingo, he gets it. .308 is very competitive out to 1200 mtrs, if you run the right loads and projectiles. I am more than aware of the BC advantage that 6.5 projectiles have but I see 6.5CM as yet another solution to a problem that does not exist. Just more rifle guy gadget stuff. I mean 6.5 Swede Mauser has been around for what 130 years?

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 01, 2022 08:52 PM (bgJ0E)

330 A little more on the P226. Maybe a bit unclear from my writing - prior to putting the optic on it, it shot 115 grain ammo fine, but a lot of the time it would not lock back on an empty mag. I thought maybe the mags (factory, but 1994 manufacture with the pistol) were not playing well.

After adding the optic, its about 1/3 feed issues with 115 grain. Which is not awesome. But, with 124 grain not only does it feed fine, it locks back the mag on empty every time.

So I think in its original state it was iffy on 115 - whig said that Euro 9s were tuned more for the heavier bullet that makes sense to me. 124 grain FMJ is roughly the same price as 115 if not as plentiful. But most hollowpoints are there, and other defensive ammo even more. So I am going to shoot up all my 115 in other guns and replace with 124.

Posted by: blaster at May 01, 2022 08:53 PM (9otr5)

331 Do you prefer aluminum? I've found them to be on the frail side, especially the feed lips.
Posted by: M

I am not saying that magpul would be a bad mag, the did kind of revolutionize mags for everybody, however, over time they do wear because of the interactin with the bolt and they may quit working as they should. other mags, made with metal, are not going to have the same issue.

my thought is that if thinking or what would i do if there were no more mags to buy I would rather have new gen metal mags.

Posted by: confederatefifth at May 01, 2022 08:53 PM (K3ZCc)

332 I finally got to take S and W SDE v9 out and try it out.
Yikes.
I shoots just where I point it.
Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at May 01, 2022 08:43 PM (lKAqb)

Tried for years to find a 9mm that the missus liked to shoot, then gave up. One day I bought the S and W SDE v9 for me. First range trip to play with my new toy I convinced the missus to give it a go. She never gave it back!

Posted by: t_bodie - Lurker. Unless you are reading this. at May 01, 2022 08:54 PM (ixbDh)

333
Well, just now, I'm thinking that it is too bad that Matt Dillon carried a Colt instead of a Lodge. The slightly damped 'thung' when pistol-whipping a bad guy would have been entertaining.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 01, 2022 08:54 PM (R6ndO)

334 Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 01, 2022 08:52 PM (bgJ0E)
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Agreed!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 08:54 PM (0IeYL)

335 Also, the ADE optic on my Sig was like $75. It compares well with the Crimson Trace and Holosun for my shooting tastes though the Holosun has the battery tray that makes life better when the battery dies.

My shooting with the 226 is night and day with the optic.

Posted by: blaster at May 01, 2022 08:55 PM (9otr5)

336 M4 Feed ramps and M855 aka GreenTip aka Light Armor Piercing Steel Tip ammo did not coincide with each other. M4 feed ramps were AR improvements as part of the M4 Carbine package that Colt did on the original AR design on their own R&D dime. They were to improve feeding in full auto and also with the shorter more abrupt carbine gas length system. Green Tip will feed fine if you are not doing ammo dumps in an older AR barrel.
That being said, the most problems come when you put an old barrel on a new M4 upper. You have to grind out the feedramps of the old feed ramp style barrel to fit the angle of the M4 upper. If you put an m4 feed ramp barrel on an old upper you have lying around, it will still feed okay but look a bit ugly. M4 upper and M4 cut barrel--good to go. Original AR upper, M4 feed ramp cut barrel, bad feeding.
For the most part, it would be difficult to actually find a barrel or upper that did not have the M4 cuts now unless you are buying from someone who is raiding their old stash or buying a used vintage parts kit. Only reason for a barrel with no feed ramp may be for those that want to put it with an old AR upper and grind out the barrel ramps to fit

Posted by: whig at May 01, 2022 08:55 PM (Iq9dF)

337 Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 01, 2022 08:42 PM (ybIRR)

Magpul was years ahead of the US Army in making anti-tilt followers a standard feature while the Army mucked around trying to figure out how to do it better than Magpul (and failing).

Posted by: Ed L at May 01, 2022 08:55 PM (NacE+)

338 The latest AR-15 magazine anti-tilt followers are sold separately if you want to improve your older mags. Fairly inexpensive. Brownells has them, and I bet most other big gun parts sellers have them.

Posted by: Gref at May 01, 2022 08:55 PM (AMIL/)

339 Boo - not going to be able to make it to this year's NoVaMoMe! Will be at the TxMoMe, though :-)

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at May 01, 2022 08:57 PM (SRRAx)

340 Also today was a DMV MGC day. We did one-hole drill with .45s on one lane. sra blaster took her Kimber Raptor and just kept making that one hole bigger and bigger and only strayed off center at 15 yards.

A good reminder to keep her happy!

Posted by: blaster at May 01, 2022 08:58 PM (9otr5)

341 That being said, the most problems come when you put an old barrel on a new M4 upper. You have to grind out the feedramps of the old feed ramp style barrel to fit the angle of the M4 upper. If you put an m4 feed ramp barrel on an old upper you have lying around, it will still feed okay but look a bit ugly. M4 upper and M4 cut barrel--good to go. Original AR upper, M4 feed ramp cut barrel, bad feeding.

This thread needs pictures.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 01, 2022 08:58 PM (nfrXX)

342 339 Boo - not going to be able to make it to this year's NoVaMoMe! Will be at the TxMoMe, though :-)
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at May 01, 2022 08:57 PM (SRRAx)
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Makes note in Teresa's permanent record.

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 08:59 PM (0IeYL)

343 277 ... "There is a seam in front of the "54" that you can't really see in the picture. I can't unscrew the barrel by hand though."

If I'm right about the screw barrel, it would likely be rusted in place. Unless it was carefully cleaned and the threads lubed on a regular basis, rust is inevitable. I've never read if the barrels were rifled or smooth. I suspect smooth to keep the cost down and because they were intended only to be used at arm's length.

Pedersoli makes a kit version of these screw barrel pistols.

Posted by: JTB at May 01, 2022 08:59 PM (7EjX1)

344 Makes note in Teresa's permanent record.
Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 08:59 PM (0IeYL)

Harsh.

Posted by: t_bodie - Lurker. Unless you are reading this. at May 01, 2022 09:00 PM (ixbDh)

345 Posted by: confederatefifth at May 01, 2022 08:53 PM (K3ZCc)

Go w/ the HK mags made out of steel, then. Those things are super durable (steel, after all). But their weight is a problem if you're humping it out in the boonies. Going to range, it's not a problem.
Aluminum bodies don't do well going up against the knocks of a cruel, hard world. I think of magazines much like the Army does - reusable, but ultimately, expendable.

Posted by: Ed L at May 01, 2022 09:00 PM (NacE+)

346 As mentioned, the feed ramp question is not on 5.56 NATO. But I count on y'all to bring the info!

I'm going to get a 12.7x42 for my next build. And I'm narrowing down the seller. There's about $200-300 difference between the Bear Creek uppers and some others. (Don't get me started on the Alexander Arms stuff, all running 4 digits minimum.)

Posted by: GWB at May 01, 2022 09:00 PM (dO2Sg)

347 Speaking of Magpul. Take a look at their FMG 9 prototype. It's a radio, no it's a laptop, no it's a folding machine gun!

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at May 01, 2022 09:00 PM (LG5dc)

348 Is a cosmetic scratch on the slide that doesn't go throught the blueing worth addressing? As I understand it, a corrective blueing pen is appropriate for a scratch to bare steel, but there's really no way to correct this. Is there?

Posted by: Retief at May 01, 2022 09:02 PM (vSlT4)

349 247 240 Do you think FN just might go back to Browning quality bluing, a round hammer, and ditch the magazine safety?
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 01, 2022 08:29 PM (lz5hY)
I hope so, I have one mfg in 1949 and it's beautiful.

Posted by: Eromero at May 01, 2022 09:02 PM (0OP+5)

350 Thanks Weasel for a terrific informative and amusing thread tonight.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 01, 2022 09:03 PM (Y+l9t)

351 4 Makes note in Teresa's permanent record.
Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 08:59 PM (0IeYL)

Harsh.
Posted by: t_bodie - Lurker. Unless you are reading this. at May 01, 2022 09:00 PM (ixbDh)
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It hurts me as much as it does Teresa!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 09:03 PM (0IeYL)

352 Don't tell bluebell but I would absolutely tell Cigar Vixen of the waters of my home world.

Posted by: Muad'dib at May 01, 2022 09:03 PM (WUSNl)

353 I used to send people kits

BRCC
Magpuls
Socks cant remember brand

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 01, 2022 09:03 PM (yrol0)

354 Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 01, 2022 09:03 PM (Y+l9t)
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You are most very welcome!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 09:04 PM (0IeYL)

355 334 Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 01, 2022 08:52 PM (bgJ0E)
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Agreed!
Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 08:54 PM (0IeYL)

Yep.
Mate on the auction I attended, you would have been going WTF with the M1's for sale. Such made up "sniper " rifles, it was a joke. They passed in fortunately. The M60 for sale was ok condition and had spare barrel, transit case , etc with it but it was still an M60. Had to pass as, well its an M60 and thus work of Beelzebub.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 01, 2022 09:04 PM (bgJ0E)

356 257 like the coming out of Brooke Shields but I just may wait to see the FN.
Posted by: Eromero at May 01, 2022 08:26 PM

Brooke Shields is batting for the other team now?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 01, 2022 08:32 PM (a3Q+t)
I was talking about the way George Burns used to 'joke?' around with her.

Posted by: Eromero at May 01, 2022 09:04 PM (0OP+5)

357 Tomorrow night, Ben Had!

Posted by: Eromero at May 01, 2022 09:05 PM (0OP+5)

358 So I think in its original state it was iffy on 115 - whig said that Euro 9s were tuned more for the heavier bullet that makes sense to me. 124 grain FMJ is roughly the same price as 115 if not as plentiful. But most hollowpoints are there, and other defensive ammo even more. So I am going to shoot up all my 115 in other guns and replace with 124. Posted by: blaster
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115 gr 9mm ammo is a US mini std as is 147gr. I find that Smith and Wessons prefer it. The original P series Ruger ate anything, and have no idea about 1911's in that cartridge. 124 gr is std for NATO ammo and in Euroland.

You can buy recoil spring tuning kits wiht as set of differently weighted recoil springs for your firearm from Wolff (and perhaps others depending on the firearm). This is often used in competition to gain a bit of an edge in IPSC etc. for such things as making major or minor power factors which affects scoring. The kit simply has different weighted recoil springs and you try each one and fire the desired ammo through it. Doesn't function well, put in another one, and so on. PITA for captured spring systems so don't put your eye out.

Posted by: whig at May 01, 2022 09:05 PM (Iq9dF)

359 Makes note in Teresa's permanent record.
Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 08:59 PM (0IeYL)

Harsh.
Posted by: t_bodie - Lurker. Unless you are reading this. at May 01, 2022 09:00 PM (ixbDh)
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It hurts me as much as it does Teresa!
Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 09:03 PM (0IeYL
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Made a reference to the permanent record to my students at the University where I don't teach anymore, but I'm doing this term for beer money, and half of them were stunned. As in, they're real??!!
Heh.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 01, 2022 09:06 PM (axyOa)

360 in fairness, the Army is not much for making guns better, they would be best advised to just go with what commercial industry recommends.

the new sig is going to be a hot mess.

Posted by: confederatefifth at May 01, 2022 09:06 PM (K3ZCc)

361 Do you think FN just might go back to Browning quality bluing, a round hammer, and ditch the magazine safety?
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I hope so, I have one mfg in 1949 and it's beautiful.

See the link Gref posted at 266. The correct answer regarding the finish is "Not just no but..."

Posted by: Oddbob at May 01, 2022 09:06 PM (nfrXX)

362 Posted by: Muad'dib at May 01, 2022 09:03 PM (WUSNl)
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Ha! Yep!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 09:06 PM (0IeYL)

363 Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at May 01, 2022 09:00 PM (LG5dc)

ZEV Technologies and Magpul are tooling up to produce this as the FDP-9/FDC-9. The FDP-9 is a pistol version. The FDC-9 is the "full meal deal" that has to be sold as an SBR (due to the stock). The FDP-9 can be converted to an FDC-9 if you SBR it w/ an BATF Form 1. Announced release date is 2023.

Posted by: Ed L at May 01, 2022 09:06 PM (NacE+)

364 Apropos for the thread:

Nick Rekieta and Brandon Huerra watch the Alec Baldwin video where he is a dumbass

https://tinyurl.com/4dpv2atu

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 01, 2022 09:07 PM (dNqv+)

365 It hurts me as much as it does Teresa!
Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 09:03 PM (0IeYL)

Give her a break! She's a silly-heart.

(was watching Uncle Buck earlier)

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at May 01, 2022 09:08 PM (x8Wzq)

366 Posted by: Diogenes at May 01, 2022 09:06 PM (axyOa)
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I was having a discussion with our CEO the other day on something comp related and I mentioned making a note in his PR. Fortunately, he thinks I'm amusing!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 09:09 PM (0IeYL)

367 the new sig is going to be a hot mess.
Posted by: confederatefifth at May 01, 2022 09:06 PM (K3ZCc)

My spider senses tell me the same thing.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 01, 2022 09:09 PM (bgJ0E)

368 Wasn't "Muff Gun" a Kiss song?

Posted by: fd
Sounds more like Zappa. Or Spinal Tap.
Posted by: a.moron

It was ST.

Zappa was 'Dinah-Moe Hum'.

Posted by: Tonypete at May 01, 2022 09:10 PM (Msys3)

369 Evening.

"We plan for the crowd in general but also consider the needs of the introvert lurkers and provide plenty of potted plants for those so inclined to hide behind."

If that actually were true I'd be there with bells on. Metaphorical bells, not actual bells. Actual bells would give away my position.

Posted by: Robert at May 01, 2022 09:10 PM (9DSrc)

370 Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 01, 2022 09:04 PM (bgJ0E)
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Ha!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 09:11 PM (0IeYL)

371 If you follow Patrick Sweeney or not, he did an entire volume of AR torture testing including AR15 magazine torture tests like shooting them with buckshot, running over them with vehicles, and other such unpleasantries. See Sweeney's Gun Digest AR15 Volume 4.

Summary, all of the brand name magazines functioned if ugly almost to the end. Lancer was one of the top magazines (has metal reinforced feed lips in a polymer mag shell), another was Okay Industries (original makers of AR magazines in aluminum), Brownells(contract maker of AR magazines for US military in aluminum), and Magpul of course. All did rather well in holding up to things that normal people would not subject them too--2nd story falls with a loaded mag on a rough surface and so on.

Posted by: whig at May 01, 2022 09:12 PM (Iq9dF)

372 I was having a discussion with our CEO the other day on something comp related and I mentioned making a note in his PR. Fortunately, he thinks I'm amusing!
Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 09:09 PM (0IeYL)

I remember being in a hands off dont fuck the help meeting where both the VPs were fucking their assistants.

ha

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 01, 2022 09:12 PM (yrol0)

373 Robert - all MoMes provide for introverts to stand around in small groups and look at their shoes.

Posted by: Tonypete at May 01, 2022 09:12 PM (Msys3)

374 Posted by: Ed L at May 01, 2022 09:06 PM (NacE+)

Thanks for the info. I'm addicted to buying different types of 9mm carbines. Other than different AR platforms nothing different has been released lately. The Ruger PC last I purchased.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at May 01, 2022 09:13 PM (LG5dc)

375 Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at May 01, 2022 09:09 PM (bgJ0E)
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I very quickly skimmed an article on the Sig and thought the same thing.

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 09:13 PM (0IeYL)

376 ha

Mike Lindell Suspended From Still-Fascist Twitter Two Hours After Announcing New Account

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 01, 2022 09:14 PM (yrol0)

377 Posted by: Robert at May 01, 2022 09:10 PM (9DSrc)
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It really is true!!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 09:14 PM (0IeYL)

378 ..Never liked snub nose handguns, guess for carring can't be a bad choice though. Posted by: Skip at May 01, 2022 07:09 PM (2JoB

Used to be, back in badge carryin' days, if I wanted to carry a snubbie for off-duty or as a backup gun, I had to fire the entire Qualifying Course with said snubbie, and get at least a "passing" score. Which is a mindset that I still recommend, today.

A LOT of value in stepping up to the IDPA line, and shooting the whole match with your hideway/backup gun. I have a pair of S&W Model 60s, stainless, with full "L-Frame" type, 3" underlugged barrels. Heavy, but they tame the frame. Favorite snubby though is the 11.5 oz (unloaded) Taurus 85 Total Titanium. Ported barrel just WORKS!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 01, 2022 09:14 PM (QzJWU)

379 372 I was having a discussion with our CEO the other day on something comp related and I mentioned making a note in his PR. Fortunately, he thinks I'm amusing!
Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 09:09 PM (0IeYL)

I remember being in a hands off dont fuck the help meeting where both the VPs were fucking their assistants.

ha
Posted by: rhennigantx at May 01, 2022 09:12 PM (yrol0)

But did the VPs find their assistants amusing?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 01, 2022 09:15 PM (dNqv+)

380 Oprah to Keep Covering Face After Year-Long Isolation in $40M Mansion, Opposes Ending Mask Mandate

Our betters or worst!

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 01, 2022 09:15 PM (yrol0)

381 I don't love the SIG p-320, not a fan of the trigger. But-
It works. Over 1200 rounds without malfunctions. Groups well. Ergonomically functional.

Gets too damn hot after 150 rounds, though, especially the takedown lever. (Which I rest my finger against with my 'normal' grip.)

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at May 01, 2022 09:15 PM (eeRB6)

382 OK, 9:15 thank you time!

Thank you!

I appreciate all of you being here tonight. You guys and gals are the BEST!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 09:15 PM (0IeYL)

383 Posted by: confederatefifth at May 01, 2022 09:06 PM (K3ZCc)

What? You mean the drop safety problem didn't meet the threshold of "hot mess?"

Posted by: Ed L at May 01, 2022 09:15 PM (NacE+)

384 But did the VPs find their assistants amusing?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 01, 2022 09:15 PM (dNqv+)

I would not have fucked either with a stolen dick!

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 01, 2022 09:15 PM (yrol0)

385 Thanks for hosting again, Weasel! See you next week!

Posted by: Ed L at May 01, 2022 09:16 PM (NacE+)

386 Have a great evening Weasel.
Much thanxs for the thread.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 01, 2022 09:16 PM (axyOa)

387 Good night, Weasel. I learn a lot on your bangy toy thread.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at May 01, 2022 09:18 PM (x8Wzq)

388 I have a pair of S&W Model 60s, stainless, with full "L-Frame" type, 3" underlugged barrels.

Huh. I thought I was the only one who thought a 3" J-frame was a good idea. You pretty much can't find ready-made leather for it. Which doesn't bother me because it's a house gun, not a carry gun.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 01, 2022 09:18 PM (nfrXX)

389 Oprah to Keep Covering Face After Year-Long Isolation in $40M Mansion, Opposes Ending Mask Mandate

Our betters or worst!

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 01, 2022 09:15 PM (yrol0)

She ought to use a Hefty Bag.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 01, 2022 09:18 PM (Q+k/j)

390 Posted by: Ed L at May 01, 2022 09:16 PM (NacE+)
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My pleasure Ed L! If you have a minute, please tell Robert how low-key the NoVaMoMe is!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 09:18 PM (0IeYL)

391 Posted by: Diogenes at May 01, 2022 09:16 PM (axyOa)
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My pleasure Diogenes!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 09:19 PM (0IeYL)

392 Oddbob,
I would build an LR308 or AR-10 in 308W aka 7.62x51 for your initial go. You can always build a 6.5 Creedmoor upper later which is the beauty of the AR system.

6.5 Creedmoor is more a range round and for competition. It makes a decent hunting round but ethically you are not going to be shooting deer at that range anyway where it starts to pull past the 308. 308 ammo will be cheaper over time and any lower setup for 308 will do fine with the 6.5 Creedmoor.

One thing to watch out for on Creedmoor in LR308/AR10 is that people have reported some gas issues with it compared to 308 which affects cycling which means you will either have to have an adjustable gas block or potentially the gas system may have to be shorter or longer than the std. rifle design.

Posted by: whig at May 01, 2022 09:19 PM (Iq9dF)

393
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at May 01, 2022 09:18 PM (x8Wzq)
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Glad to hear you're enjoying it, Pug!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 09:19 PM (0IeYL)

394 She ought to use a Hefty Bag.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 01, 2022 09:18 PM (Q+k/j)

You said Oprah and Hefty

HA

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 01, 2022 09:20 PM (yrol0)

395 If that actually were true I'd be there with bells on. Metaphorical bells, not actual bells. Actual bells would give away my position.
Posted by: Robert at May 01, 2022 09:10 PM (9DSrc)
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You would be amazed at how many lurkers come to MoMes, and come back again each year. I love that. Some lurkers even wind up delurking, although not all do and that's perfectly okay.

We'd love for you to come! Email me at the address in my nic. That goes for all of you!

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe 2022! at May 01, 2022 09:20 PM (wyw4S)

396 One thing to watch out for on Creedmoor in LR308/AR10 is that people have reported some gas issues with it compared to 308 which affects cycling which means you will either have to have an adjustable gas block or potentially the gas system may have to be shorter or longer than the std. rifle design.

Either caliber, I'm planning on a 24" barrel with a +2 gas system and and adjustable block.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 01, 2022 09:21 PM (nfrXX)

397 thank you, Weasel.

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (UgAdJ) - at May 01, 2022 09:21 PM (UgAdJ)

398 "and and" -> "and an."

Posted by: Oddbob at May 01, 2022 09:22 PM (nfrXX)

399 I'm back. Salmon and asparagus on the grill. Rice pilaf. Cheesecake for dessert.
Now, back to gunz!

Posted by: RI Red at May 01, 2022 09:23 PM (QZRZG)

400 And Robert, I know you're most certainly not a lurker, but a long-time commenter. I just meant that people of all sorts come to (and enjoy!) MoMes, even if they don't engage on the blog.

It's a great feeling to be surrounded by like-minded people who will 100% regard you as a friend the moment you meet them.

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe 2022! at May 01, 2022 09:23 PM (wyw4S)

401 360 in fairness, the Army is not much for making guns better, they would be best advised to just go with what commercial industry recommends.

the new sig is going to be a hot mess.
Posted by: confederatefifth at May 01, 2022 09:06 PM (K3ZCc)

Sort-of related - another episode of US Army prejudices about cartridge power and not-invented-here designs:

There was a third rifle in the final US Army M1 Garand replacement competition in the mid-Fifties: A privately-developed British rifle submitted by the UK, the .280 caliber (7.2mm) Janson EM-2. A bullpup design. (The current standard-issue British Army rifle, the SA80, looks similar but is not the same action.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EM-2_Bullpup_Rifle

The US Army rejected it after the M-14/FAL/EM-2 trial because it did not like the less powerful than the.308 cartridge and did not like the bullpup design, either.

Posted by: Gref at May 01, 2022 09:24 PM (AMIL/)

402 Posted by: BifBewalski @ (UgAdJ) - at May 01, 2022 09:21 PM (UgAdJ)
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My pleasure, Bif! Thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 09:24 PM (0IeYL)

403 The US Army rejected it after the M-14/FAL/EM-2 trial because it did not like the less powerful than the.308 cartridge and did not like the bullpup design, either.
Posted by: Gref at May 01, 2022 09:24 PM (AMIL/)

Why did the Marines carry the Ar14 rather than the AR16?

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 01, 2022 09:25 PM (yrol0)

404 Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 09:18 PM (0IeYL)

Robert, Weasel is absolutely right about this. All you have to do is show up and chill out. Make small talk, or discuss anything else that comes to mind (DC traffic, crappy football teams, etc.). You won't regret coming, I promise you that. Spoken as an ex-lurker.

Posted by: Ed L at May 01, 2022 09:25 PM (NacE+)

405 It's a great feeling to be surrounded by like-minded people who will 100% regard you as a friend the moment you meet them.

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe 2022! at May 01, 2022 09:23 PM (wyw4S)
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Listen to bluebell, people!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 09:26 PM (0IeYL)

406 bluebell, once again a huge thank you for all your efforts to make the NoVaMoMe the fete that it is.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 01, 2022 09:27 PM (P0g8W)

407 ha

They say that something is worth what someone will pay for it. If thats true, then protecting free speech, which Elon Musk has cited as a central reason he agreed to buy Twitter for $44 billion this week, may be worth twice as much as solving Americas homelessness problem, and seven times as much as solving world hunger.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 01, 2022 09:27 PM (yrol0)

408 Thanks Ed L!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 09:28 PM (0IeYL)

409 Ben Had, all MoMes are wonderful, are they not? I'm so happy so many people are arranging them and attending them. We need this, most especially in this day and age.

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe 2022! at May 01, 2022 09:28 PM (wyw4S)

410 The US Army rejected it after the M-14/FAL/EM-2 trial because it did not like the less powerful than the.308 cartridge and did not like the bullpup design, either.

The fed gov't in general and the Ordnance Dept in particular have historically not been fans of anything new. As I understand it, John C. had to use the gas trap design because Ordnance said "What? You want to drill a hole into the side of a barrel? That's crazy talk. No."

Posted by: Oddbob at May 01, 2022 09:28 PM (nfrXX)

411 Recommend me a scope for the Ruger or Smith AR I'm buying tomorrow. Thanks.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at May 01, 2022 09:28 PM (KiBMU)

412 "and and" -> "and an."
Posted by: Oddbob at May 01, 2022 09:22 PM (nfrXX)

Oddbob is trying to sneak word math into the gun thread!

Posted by: t_bodie - Lurker. Unless you are reading this. at May 01, 2022 09:29 PM (ixbDh)

413 There is no "world hunger" except that which is deliberately caused bu various governments for their own reasons.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 01, 2022 09:29 PM (r46W7)

414 ..Huh. I thought I was the only one who thought a 3" J-frame was a good idea. You pretty much can't find ready-made leather for it. Which doesn't bother me because it's a house gun, not a carry gun. Posted by: Oddbob at May 01, 2022 09:18 PM (nfrXX)

For some decades, the S&W Model 36, with 3" barrel, was the issue duty gun for uniformed NYPD female officers. But I have no info as to if they were round or square butt models. The guns.. the GUNS! I'm not commenting on the nature of armed NYPD female officers BUTTS. I don't wanna dieeeee !

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 01, 2022 09:29 PM (QzJWU)

415 Posted by: rhennigantx at May 01, 2022 09:25 PM (yrol0)

The cult of marksmanship in the USMC. 7.62 NATO reaches further out than 5.56. It's also why the M-16A2 has the complex rear sighting mechanism it has vs. the M-16A1's basic rear sight.

Posted by: Ed L at May 01, 2022 09:30 PM (NacE+)

416 Posted by: Mr Gaga at May 01, 2022 09:28 PM (KiBMU)
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For an AR I'd recommend a Trijicon ACOG if your budget allows.

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 09:30 PM (0IeYL)

417 The new FN Hi-Power is not a clone of Browning's design. There are a few differences to make it "modern," described in this article:

https://tinyurl.com/bdfdv953
Posted by: Gref at May 01, 2022 08:35 PM (AMIL/)
So SA35 it is. Maybe.

Posted by: Eromero at May 01, 2022 09:30 PM (0OP+5)

418 @411 flat tops? Your intended shooting?

Sig Romeo 5 is almost always a good answer.

Posted by: blaster at May 01, 2022 09:31 PM (9otr5)

419 Square Butt!

Posted by: Hare lip at May 01, 2022 09:32 PM (63Dwl)

420 They say that something is worth what someone will pay for it. If thats true, then protecting free speech, which Elon Musk has cited as a central reason he agreed to buy Twitter for $44 billion this week, may be worth twice as much as solving Americas homelessness problem, and seven times as much as solving world hunger.
Posted by: rhennigantx at May 01, 2022 09:27 PM (yrol0)

Solving "homelessness": shoot all the bums.

Solving "world hunger": shoot all the communists.

Where's my 44 billion?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 01, 2022 09:32 PM (Q+k/j)

421 It's a great feeling to be surrounded by like-minded people who will 100% regard you as a friend the moment you meet them.

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe 2022! at May 01, 2022 09:23 PM (wyw4S)

Yes. I feel so bad for missing yet another CO Morondezvous. I've met so many good people at the two I've attended. YD and Joe Mannix, Emmie and Infidel, and so many others. And of course WDS, who hosts the Morondezvous.

But, hey. Me and the Missus are planning our Texas vacation.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at May 01, 2022 09:32 PM (x8Wzq)

422 For an AR I'd recommend a Trijicon ACOG if your budget allows.

Seconded.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 01, 2022 09:33 PM (Xrfse)

423 Why did the Marines carry the Ar14 rather than the AR16?

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 01, 2022 09:25 PM (yrol0)

Both the Army and Marines made the M-14 their Class A standard issue rifle in 1950-something. The Army sent most of its initial M-14s to units in Europe,l to use the same 7.62x51 ammo as the NATO armies. Then the Army brainiacs decided to arm most of its units going to Vietnam with M-16s instead of M-14s. I do not know when the Marine Corps switched to M-16s in Vietnam and then for standard issue.

Posted by: Gref at May 01, 2022 09:33 PM (AMIL/)

424 411....

I'm a fan of Trijicon Accupoints myself, particularly the 1-4X and 1-6X models.

Posted by: PacosMojo at May 01, 2022 09:33 PM (FpH40)

425 For some decades, the S&W Model 36, with 3" barrel, was the issue duty gun for uniformed NYPD female officers. But I have no info as to if they were round or square butt models. The guns.. the GUNS! I'm not commenting on the nature of armed NYPD female officers BUTTS. I don't wanna dieeeee !

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at May 01, 2022 09:29 PM (QzJWU)

Sadly, S&W did not make a Model 36 with a ripply cellulite butt.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 01, 2022 09:34 PM (Q+k/j)

426 Sadly, S&W did not make a Model 36 with a ripply cellulite butt.

Standard issue for airport TSA?

Posted by: Oddbob at May 01, 2022 09:37 PM (nfrXX)

427 Good night Weasel.

Posted by: Gref at May 01, 2022 09:38 PM (AMIL/)

428 Pug, whenever and wherever you can get to one, it's all good.

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe 2022! at May 01, 2022 09:38 PM (wyw4S)

429 I ought to build me a replica of that muff gun to carry on the riding mower for anti-gopher use. If I show up in the yard with the .22 rifle, the little bastards see me, and go in their burrows. But they don't recognize the riding mower as a threat, and I can easily get within 10 yards of them. A muff gun like that, loaded with #7 shot, ought to ruin their whole day.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 01, 2022 09:39 PM (Q+k/j)

430 OK, looks like the ONT is up! Thanks for being here tonight and enjoy the rest of your evening l hope to see you back here next Sunday!

Nite!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 09:39 PM (0IeYL)

431 ..Sadly, S&W did not make a Model 36 with a ripply cellulite butt. Standard issue for airport TSA?
Posted by: Oddbob at May 01, 2022 09:37 PM (nfrXX)

With a cheaply made, ~~nylon~~ Spandex holster, beginning to strain and give out at the seams?

/runsserpentine

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 01, 2022 09:39 PM (QzJWU)

432 G'night and thanks, Weasel and Horde.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 01, 2022 09:40 PM (nfrXX)

433 278 When I was at basic training at Ft. Sill, we had Christmas exodus right in the middle of training. I hated that. I just wanted to keep going, power through, maybe have a turkey dinner after church. But no. We all had to fly home for a week.

Anyhoo, we all had to sit in the day room prior to departure and they played the Jack Webb movie DI. Twice.

Bobby Troupe in MASH summed it up nicely: Gawdam Army.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at May 01, 2022 08:38 PM (x8Wzq)

What did you study at Ft. Sill if you don't mind?

Posted by: Javems at May 01, 2022 09:40 PM (AmoqO)

434 Posted by: Gref at May 01, 2022 09:38 PM (AMIL/)
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Nite Gref!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 09:41 PM (0IeYL)

435 Posted by: Gref at May 01, 2022 09:33 PM (AMIL/)

The USMC began using M-16A1s in 1967, but the conversion process was slow. USMC M-14s saw prominent use at Hue and Khe Sanh, before passing out of service by late 1969. Some units took detours along the way. One battalion used the Stoner 63 system (in rifle/carbine/SAW modes) as a field test before trading them in for M-16s.

Posted by: Ed L at May 01, 2022 09:41 PM (NacE+)

436 Bravo Zulu Gun Thread, Weasel !

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 01, 2022 09:42 PM (QzJWU)

437 Posted by: Jim at May 01, 2022 09:42 PM (QzJWU)
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Thanks, amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 09:43 PM (0IeYL)

438 Posted by: Oddbob at May 01, 2022 09:40 PM (nfrXX)
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Happy to do it, Ob!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 09:45 PM (0IeYL)

439 Dang, the ONT is up.

Posted by: GWB at May 01, 2022 09:46 PM (dO2Sg)

440 396 Either caliber, I'm planning on a 24" barrel with a +2 gas system and and adjustable block. Posted by: Oddbob
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Oddbob, Watch out then for what type of adjustable gas block that you buy. Basically, the screw type, you have to remove the adjustment screw periodically to decarbonize it. Otherwise, your adjustable block becomes effectively non adjustable. Some of the more expensive ones are better at adjustment and figure out now if you want to run suppressed. That introduces some new factors into the equation.

Semi autos are best tuned up for reliable operation for one specific bullet weight and a somewhat std. powder charge--they tend to start hiccuping outside of that.

Posted by: whig at May 01, 2022 09:47 PM (Iq9dF)

441 Late thanks Weasel, wife's family is in hospital and I am back and forth.

Posted by: whig at May 01, 2022 09:48 PM (Iq9dF)

442 Evenin' Horde. Sorry no gub stuff to report. The Morondezvous last night was wonderful. WDS and Mr. WDS are fantastic hosts. I finally got to meet the lovely Emmie in person and met several other new friends. And I enjoyed some extra time visiting with WDS and SnailRacer. It meant a lot to me that WDS, Salty, and others took the time to honor and remember Jesse. I miss him terribly but it was good to be among family. I'm often overwhelmed (but never surprised) by the kindness of the Horde.

I'm sorry I missed blake here tonight. I was the lucky winner of the blake-crafted cutting board last night. It's not just a cutting board, it's a beautiful work of art. I love it!

Go to a MoMe! If the great food, brilliant company, and witty conversation aren't tempting enough, you can also win prizes like bracelets from Jewells45, AOSHQ hats, or "Beaver Liquors - Where Our Customers Come First" t-shirts!

Posted by: screaming in digital at May 01, 2022 09:49 PM (kTRt4)

443 Hmmm...Bear Creek Arsenal?

I sent Weasel a report on my travails with my Bear Creek upper.

It was entertaining, in a "Gee, I now know much more about the guts of my Ar-15 than I had originally planned" sort of way.

Gas key was not staked correctly.
Barrel was not tightened to specs. It actually wobbled!

Once I fixed those issues everything was fine, and I would still buy one, but I would also go over it from head to toe, assuming nothing was done correctly.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 01, 2022 09:52 PM (XIJ/X)

444 Posted by: whig at May 01, 2022 09:48 PM (Iq9dF)
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Thanks for being here whig. Best of luck with what I'm sure is a difficult situation.

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 09:56 PM (0IeYL)

445 Hi SiD!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 09:56 PM (0IeYL)

446 Howdy Weasel! Of course I show up when everyone is gone.

Posted by: screaming in digital at May 01, 2022 09:59 PM (kTRt4)

447 Durn, missed almost the entire thread. But the salmon and the company with Jr. and GF was worth it.
Weasel, you da man!

Posted by: RI Red at May 01, 2022 09:59 PM (QZRZG)

448 Posted by: screaming in digital at May 01, 2022 09:59 PM (kTRt4)
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That's OK - just happy to see you here!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 10:02 PM (0IeYL)

449 Posted by: RI Red at May 01, 2022 09:59 PM (QZRZG)
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You da man!

Posted by: Weasel at May 01, 2022 10:02 PM (0IeYL)

450 Got a Colt Cobra Light Weight, 2" bbl I think. Carried by an IRS agent in tiny IWB holster at center back.
Grip angle is weird. You have to grip high and aim down.

Posted by: RI Red at May 01, 2022 10:02 PM (QZRZG)

451 429 I ought to build me a replica of that muff gun to carry on the riding mower for anti-gopher use. If I show up in the yard with the .22 rifle, the little bastards see me, and go in their burrows. But they don't recognize the riding mower as a threat, and I can easily get within 10 yards of them. A muff gun like that, loaded with #7 shot, ought to ruin their whole day.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 01, 2022 09:39 P

A zip gun based on a 20-gauge shotgun shell would be just about perfect for the little bastards.

Any chance your local sheriff has the same problem in his yard? (So it would be deemed a varmint control tool rather than a firearm.)

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 01, 2022 10:05 PM (tkyK5)

452 RI Red, does Mrs. Red know about your GF? Just wondering.

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe 2022! at May 01, 2022 10:05 PM (wyw4S)

453 Oh, bb, please don't put me on your shiv list!
First midlife crisis, I did not get a GF or a Corvette, but I took up golf.
I'm turning mumblety 7 something this month. I'm pretty sure a GF would give me either a heart attack or a through and through GSW.

Posted by: RI Red at May 01, 2022 10:09 PM (QZRZG)

454 No worries RI Red, mum's the word.

That 7 must be coming after a 4 or something.

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe 2022! at May 01, 2022 10:11 PM (wyw4S)

455 Ha, BB! I feel like I'm 40 until the mirror shows me otherwise.
Calling it a night. I need my beauty rest. Hope to see you soon.

Posted by: RI Red at May 01, 2022 10:13 PM (QZRZG)

456 411 Recommend me a scope for the Ruger or Smith AR I'm buying tomorrow. Thanks.
Posted by: Mr Gaga at May 01, 2022 09:28 PM (KiBMU)

Vortex Strike Eagle?

Or a Holosun 503 if you're not looking for a magnified optic.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at May 01, 2022 10:59 PM (eeRB6)

457 Finally got a former police officer friend of mine to admit that the law in TX allows anyone who can legally possess a gun to carry one concealed in this state. He didn't believe it until he talked to an active duty officer, and found out that all of us who had been telling his that were correct. He also found out that his supply of WWII surplus armor piercing 30-06 is legal to own too, and that the armor piercing prohibition in TX is only on pistol ammo.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at May 01, 2022 11:03 PM (ZEHVO)

458 Slightly off topic, but I think "Miss Information" is a good name for our new Minister of Truth Commissar.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at May 01, 2022 11:05 PM (ZEHVO)

459 Posted by: screaming in digital at May 01, 2022 09:49 PM (kTRt4)

Good to hear, SiD.

Posted by: GWB at May 01, 2022 11:11 PM (dO2Sg)

460 Drove a 120 miles round trip to a range with rentals. I called ahead and asked if they had a Ruger PC Carbine in their rental queue, they said yes. I got there and they said no.
I'm interested but really need to fire the weapon on iron sights before thinking about buying it. Not sure what to do now.

Posted by: John the River at May 01, 2022 11:40 PM (/3goP)

461 Comments are now closed. Thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at May 02, 2022 04:00 PM (0IeYL)

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