Gun Thread: Shootin' at WeaselAcres Edition!

Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

Q: Has Weasel been to WeaselAcres?
A: Yes! Yes Weasel has been to WeaselAcres, and there is an exciting range report on the trip from our pal blaster, below!

Also, have I mentioned the 2022 NoVAMoMe is scheduled for Saturday, June 11th? Have I mentioned this thing? Well, in case I have not, the 2022 NoVaMoMe is scheduled for Saturday, June 11th. That's the day after the 10th and the day before the 12th. You should register. Really. If you do not register then our pal bluebell will be disappointed and sad and may very well take it out on your ol' pal Weasel. Help me. Please. See below for details and registration info!

As I mentioned last week this is MoMe season, with other Moron gatherings on the calendar in Colorado, Washington, Alaska and Texas. Holy Shitballs! It's a dang MoMe-palooza!. Take a peek at the main page left sidebar, find a MoMe near you, and sign up to attend one. You won't regret it!

With that, let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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Shootin' at WeaselAcres

I had the pleasure of shooting with members of the DMV Moron Gun Club at WeaselAcres this past weekend and let me tell you they all came to shoot, and shooters they are! I also invited my main shooting buddy Geoff to come down and we both had a great time hosting the group. A day and a half was simply not enough. Below is the range report from our pal blaster.

You've seen the videos. It's just as advertised. A remote undisclosed location where one can shoot at hanging steel targets outside and make them go ping or clang, depending (I don't have an onomatopoeiac word for the 12 gauge slug hitting it.) The one surprise is that it is not an actual bunker.
Attendees were the founding members of the DMV Moron Gun Club, sharon(willow's apprentice), Iris, Hrothgar, sra blaster, and your humble correspondent, blaster. Range master was one Weasel, ably assisted by Weasel's friend with machine gun benefits - WFWMGB.
Wait - did he say machine gun benefits? Yes he did. We will get to that.
So what did we shoot? As Neo said, guns. Lots of guns. Actually, and I know it is hard to understand these words in this order, but too many guns. We didn't have enough time in a day and a half shooting exercise to get to them all. I could enumerate all the things that had been dredged from the ponds in order to arm up this trip, but it would be way over allowed word count. But to give you an idea, this was the array of long guns.

We were shooting to practice shooting. No thousand yard shots (the longest configuration was 100 yards), and we weren't, as Weasel said, trying to create the smallest hole on a piece of paper. We were working on fundamental things, stance and grip and manual of arms and trigger discipline and reloading and mostly making sounds on steel. And some exposure to new guns and try them out. Everybody had something that just made them smile after shooting it.
Okay blah blah we want to know about the machine gun! Weasel's shooting buddy, WFWMGB (he is infamous as a participant in the tree clearing by Uzi 9mm) brought an H&K MP-5. The giggle switch on that thing is ridiculous!

No pew/pew/pew pew pew/pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew

In yet another movie reference, it is sooo choice. If you have the means, I highly recommend it. If you have to ask the price on a full auto MP-5, well, you know the saying. And, a 30 round mag full of 9mm at todays price's is about $10-$12 per. The smile, though? Priceless. This is the only target picture in this range report: this silhouette steel target got a mag emptied onto it in 4 bursts.

This zombie is dead!

Another highlight was a Weasel special built "practice gun." The bolt was from Savage but everything else was custom custom custom. Weasel said the barrel was like a truck axle. I don't know how to describe the scope other than big. It's up there in the long gun picture. You can probably pick it out. How did it shoot? Let's just say if you could put the crosshairs on something you were going to hit it. Wow wow wow. The 100 yard range was not a challenge for it at all. I am sure it can reach WAY out.
Honorable mention to the Mossberg Scout. It's just an off the shelf bolt action rifle, but the Jeff Cooper Scout rifle concept is a winner. A forward mounted long eye relief scope that lets you acquire targets rapidly and a carbine length - everyone who shot it hit the 100 yard steel every time. Aside from the bruise it left on swa's bicep (7 pound weight in a .308 means you really have to hold it hard on your shoulder) I'm going to call it a good utility rifle.
Shooting with morons (and the moron adjacent) is really a great time. But going to WeaselAcres is sublime. Having real shooters advising you is the best. And Weasel and WFWMGB as those advisers is about perfect. They are very patient and kind to those they are coaching. You can't help but learn something.

I will make a pitch here for the "Win a Dream Date with Weasel" raffle. Whatever you bid - IT IS NOT ENOUGH. You will get some one on one instruction that isn't available anywhere at any price. You will be a better shooter for it, I promise you.
If you can't tell, I had a great time. 5/5, would shoot again! The DMV Moron Gun Club is very grateful for the invite. Expect individual perspectives in the comments.

Thank you, blaster! I had a great time and can tell the consistent practice you all have been doing is really paying off. You and the gang are welcome back anytime!

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Match Shooting
Next up, our pal Blake sends a range report on a competition he recently entered.

I finally made it to 7 mile Hill Shooting Range and participated in an evening shoot.
It was a local club match, not affiliated with any national organization, so, local match rules. Minding the 180 rule and trigger discipline were pretty much the only thing that mattered.
The match itself was interesting, sort of a hybrid of USPSA and IDPA, but, without the pesky rules of IDPA, such as magazine retention if magazine isn't empty, etc.
The first setup was as follows: Three shooting positions, in a line, shoot the first position, move, shoot the second, move, shoot the third. The targets were a mix of steel and cardboard silhouettes, closest silhouette was 5 yards, max overall distance was about 12 yards.
First time through, shot left to right, second time through, shot right to left.
After we were done with this set up, targets were re-arranged, and, 5 shooting positions were created. Rearranging everything also changed the round count per position, allowing me to completely game this particular run. The maximum round count was 6 per position, so, rather than shoot to slide lock, then reload, I dropped the mag, and reloaded for every position, knowing I had one in the chamber, ready to go. Huge advantage, time wise, when running a 1911 with an 8 round magazine.
What made the match even more interesting was the changing light conditions. We started out with daylight and gradually transitioned to shooting under lights. It always interested me how much changing light conditions affects shooting and it was a great to experience with this match.
As of this writing, I'm not sure how I did, overall, against the other single stack shooters, though, I think I did pretty well. Obviously, the double stack people went through the stages with pretty much 1 reload, unlike us single stack guys, and, for the most part, their times reflected the advantage.
Overall, a fun match and, because of the very relaxed attitude, easy to get going and remain focused.

Great report as usual, Blake! Thank you!

Allow me to add my 2 cents on club matches. They are just about the best practice and training you can find at any price and they are surprisingly affordable, with most costing $10 or so to enter. You have to practice all the elements of whatever discipline you are shooting, with the added incentive of performing your very best for score. When I was learning to shoot I eventually reached a plateau and wasn't seeing much continued improvement until I decided to start entering club-level matches. I am not talking about competing simply for the sake of competition, but shooting for score focuses your attention like few other things will. Seriously. I am not making that up.

Check and see if your local range or gun club hosts matches. If they do, find one that interests you and sign up. If not, the NRA Competitive Shooting Programs division is something the NRA actually does very well. I don't care if you are an absolute beginner or an expert marksman, competition will make you a better shooter.

For the first-timers, you just have to get over the idea you don't know how matches are run and aren't sure what you're doing. That's the way I felt. Find out who the match director is and explain your situation in advance, and ask to be squadded with someone who will show you the ropes. I promise you will have a good time, and will make some like-minded new friends. Nothing would make me happier than to have one or more of you commit to signing up for a match and later reporting back here on how much fun you had!

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Model 64 Revisited
Remember this gun from way back in the olden days of last Sunday?

Welp, confession time. I have never been particularly in love with the Pachmayr Grips that are on it. They are perfectly fine grips, they are just a little on the small side for my hand which bugs me a little bit every time I pick it up. The rubbery stuff is also a little squishier than the Hogues, a selling point feature on their Decelerator line for large magnum calibers.

So I went all wacky and put these Hogue Combats on it, which I have on most of my other guns, and which seem to fit my hand better. I think I originally chose the Pachmayers because of their slightly smaller size and concealability, but was never completely satisfied with the way they felt.

The grips on most handguns are changeable, and don't overlook this as a way to improve the feel of a gun you're not quite happy with or feel you are not shooting well. Even a minor difference in ergonomics can make a difference on the target. I happen to like the feel of the Hogues better, and will probably shoot a little more consistently with them as a result. They cost about $30 on Amazon and attach with a single screw which is generally within my gunsmithing skill set.

Do you have a handgun that doesn't feel quite right? From a purely aesthetic point of view, which do you like better, the Hogues or the Pachmayers? For those that have tried both, which do you feel softens recoil better in large calibers?

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Ax Weasel

Time again to answer reader mail!

Our pal hogmartin is thinking about rifles and is considering two, a Tikka T3X and a Howe 1500.

In 6.5 Creedmoor. Worth $530 or should I come in next week and see if they have a T3X with a threaded muzzle? The Tikka is a little more, but I've heard good things about the brand. The Howa 1500 is a little less expensive but the action and trigger feel just as nice, I'm just not at all familiar with them. I have guns, but nothing scoped for ranges past about 200 yards, and I have a Riton on the way and nothing to put it on. Opinions?

Weasel does not have direct experience with either rifle. Like Hogmartin, I have heard good things about Tikka and would also take a look at the Howa. I don't think you could go wrong with either platform as long as you keep in mind that ultimately performance will depend on the ammo used. What do all y'all smart people think?

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Our pal GWB has a question on triggers.

What difference do triggers make (especially on rifles, since that's what I most often see upgrades for)? How can I tell if my trigger is not as good as it could be? How can I test my trigger? What things should I notice (and what do those terms mean - wall, break, etc.) when I'm, for instance, handling two different guns and deciding which one is more to my liking?

Personally, I think way too big a deal is made regarding triggers. As long as you like the feel of a trigger, then it's the right one for you. I mostly keep the stock triggers on my guns, the exception being my match rifles where I use the exact same Timney triggers, all set to the same 1.5 pound pull. Many will feel 1.5# is heavy, but that's what I'm used to and comfortable with, and I want the feel to be exactly the same across each of these rifles. I do not personally like the ultra-light triggers favored by many of my shooting buddies who may have theirs set as low as 8 ounces. I have also seen these same people have unintended discharges on the line during a match string as a result of their ultra-light trigger settings.

Another exception is an AR I built and invested in a Geissele trigger mostly for funsies just to see what all of the fuss is about. It's a great trigger and I do not regret the purchase but I cannot honestly say it makes me shoot the rifle noticeably better. Here is a 2022 review of AR drop-in triggers for those interested. As far as bolt rifles go, I absolutely 100% recommend the Timney brand. Great people who make a great product and support the shooting sports. There are lots of pricey options in the aftermarket so look around but personally I'd invest the money in a shooting lesson or practice ammo.

What about some of the various terms GWB mentioned above? Below are a few brief explanations:

Trigger Creep - positive trigger movement which does not cause the sear to move
Trigger Wall - the point when the trigger mechanism first engages the resistance of the sear
Trigger Break - the point where the trigger movement causes the sear to release the hammer

Here is a good article on trigger discipline and trigger control strangely titled Ultimate Guide to Trigger Discipline and Trigger Control.

What about you all? Do you have a favorite brand? Do you agree or disagree with my opinion regarding "premium" triggers? Does anyone feel their shooting has improved after upgrading from a stock trigger to a premium one?

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Since we talk a lot about concealed carry, here's Mas Ayoob taking a look at a number of different shoulder holsters. I'm not sure if I have featured this before, and if I have, here it is again - so quit yer bitching.

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Gun Basics 101

Here's the She Equips Herself gal with a video on concealed carry and athletic wear.

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Cigar of the Week

Here's a feisty little amigo, the Cuaba Divino from Cigar One. I like these when I want a nice cigar but don't want to invest 45 minutes or more in smoking one. A little pricey at $8 each, but worth the price for a special occasion. Bonus! Here's a video review I found on the cigar.

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ATTENTION NoVaMoMe 2022!!

The social and cultural event of the season, NoVaMoMe 2022 is on the calendar! That's right, you people have a chance to meet many of your online pals on Saturday, June 11th beginning at 1pm until dark, or such time as it gets busted up by the cops. We have an exciting location in the Northern Virginia area which allows extended time for visiting. Admission is $25 which includes food and soft drinks, with a cash bar. This year the menu is BBQ chicken and pork with the usual sides and cookies for dessert. Appetizers begin just after 1pm and dinner is 3pm. Want to be one of the cool kids? Just send an email to novamome at protonmail dot cee oh emm, pass the rigorous screening process to obtain registration details, then sign up to attend! Easy-Peasy!

Each year, I spend a fair amount of time encouraging people to come to a MoMe. Any MoMe! I cannot overemphasize how much fun these things are, and how much we want YOU to come! We plan for the crowd in general but also consider the needs of the introvert lurkers and provide plenty of potted plants for those so inclined to hide behind. All kidding aside, you are completely welcome to slink-in, eat, drink and people-watch, and then slink-out. It is a 100% zero pressure event. If you can handle a backyard picnic, you can definitely handle this.

Win a Dream Date with Weasel!
Back by tepid demand, a separate raffle for the Gun Thread gift basket will be held. This fabulous prize includes an entire day of shooting and personalized one-on-one handgun & rifle coaching and instruction at Weasel Acres on a mutually agreeable date with yours truly. The lucky winner will be able to not only bring and shoot their own weapons, but also try out a variety of WeaselWeapons using WeaselAmmo!

We will end the day with dinner at a good Mexican place in nearby Appomattox. Pretty much a dream date with Weasel! The winner will be responsible for their travel to and from Central Virginia, hence the separate drawing.

Don't be a pathetic girly-man loser, register today!

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Link-O-Rama

I'm really very seriously not kidding around anymore. Buy Ammo
AmmoSeek - online ammo search tool
GunBot - online ammo search tool
SG Ammo
Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA
Bud's Gun Shop

***Mail Bag***

Not sure if you want to register for the NoVaMoMe? Allow me to show you part of a certain someone's shank collection as a motivator.

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM

Comments

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Posted by: BifBewalski @ (UgAdJ) - at April 10, 2022 07:00 PM (UgAdJ)

2 Fire away

Posted by: Skip at April 10, 2022 07:00 PM (2JoB8)

3 Yea, gun thread!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 10, 2022 07:00 PM (96scd)

4 i noodled. hi Weasel!

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (UgAdJ) - at April 10, 2022 07:01 PM (UgAdJ)

5 Hello, Weasel and horde!

Posted by: Ed L at April 10, 2022 07:01 PM (NacE+)

6 Summoned.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 10, 2022 07:01 PM (96scd)

7 Top ten

Posted by: Rancherbob at April 10, 2022 07:01 PM (gtu9W)

8 Not first, but top 10!

Hiya, Weasel!

Posted by: The Neon Madman at April 10, 2022 07:01 PM (KSXRc)

9 Why, yes, I was absent last week. Not My Fault!

Posted by: RI Red at April 10, 2022 07:02 PM (p9Ppz)

10 It's the shank of the evening!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at April 10, 2022 07:05 PM (Dc2NZ)

11 That shank collection.

I LOLed.

Posted by: blaster at April 10, 2022 07:05 PM (9otr5)

12 I dig the select fire graphics!
A pal of mine has an ar15 and the selector switch has 2 positions "pax" and "bellum".

Posted by: gourmand du jour at April 10, 2022 07:08 PM (jTmQV)

13 Range time was lovely.
After several weeks of fast shooting and one handed, off handed and double taps and using front sight only, well. I got to slow down and breathe and focus on pulling the trigger straight back. It's so soothing. Ok. That sounded weird.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 10, 2022 07:08 PM (U2p+3)

14 Wow. Just wow.

Posted by: Eromero at April 10, 2022 07:09 PM (0OP+5)

15 Quick notice. A company called Lohman Arms has large rifle primers in stock. They are online. Not affiliated with them. Just been looking myself for a while.

Thanks Weasel.

Posted by: Javems at April 10, 2022 07:09 PM (AmoqO)

16 And congratulations to the troupe who were privileged to go to Weasel Acres. What a lovely time y'all must have had!!!

Thank you for this thread, weasel. And for your insight and encouragement.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 10, 2022 07:10 PM (U2p+3)

17 Howdy y'all!!

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 07:10 PM (0IeYL)

18 Going to WA was an incredible shooting experience. I came away with the belief that everything is going to RDS handgun wise soon.

I am watching recently introduced models getting clearanced as the optic ready models hit the street.

So today I put an RDS (okay green] on my P226.

Posted by: blaster at April 10, 2022 07:10 PM (9otr5)

19 I like a shank with a nicely wrapped handle. You know it was made for a pro.

Posted by: fd at April 10, 2022 07:12 PM (vrz2I)

20 I'll make the trip to Weasel Acres w/ the DMV Moron Gun Club next time, I promise!

Posted by: Ed L at April 10, 2022 07:13 PM (NacE+)

21 Operators are standing by for NoVaMoMe info sharing! Don't make me sad or I'll be sad!

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe 2022! at April 10, 2022 07:13 PM (wyw4S)

22 Evening All!!!

Sorry for the lateness, was watching the Masters and some of the after action.

Weeeeeasle Acres is the place to be!!
Gun shootin' is the life for me!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at April 10, 2022 07:13 PM (mcfjc)

23 So much gunzzz!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at April 10, 2022 07:14 PM (eeRB6)

24 I'm impressed by bluebell's shiv collection. What's the most antique shiv you own? 20th C? 18th?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 10, 2022 07:15 PM (RkC6l)

25 There are people who would hyperventilate and pass out in the presence of all those firearms. It would be like looking at a pile of snakes about to strike.

Posted by: fd at April 10, 2022 07:16 PM (vrz2I)

26 Posted by: gourmand du jour at April 10, 2022 07:08 PM (jTmQV)

The pictogram marked lower is today's standard for H&K. It's a lot harder to misinterpret than the old "S-E-F" marked lowers.

Posted by: Ed L at April 10, 2022 07:17 PM (NacE+)

27 What is the rifle in the top pic next to the shotgun?

I have a Geissele NM at the default 2.5# setup in an AR lower that doesn't have an upper yet so I've never shot it "live" but just dry firing, it feels great. Don't think I want to go lower on the weight.

My "best" trigger is on a Harrington & Richardson M12 (gov't contract of their model 5200) that was tuned by Neal Johnson Gunsmithing when I lived in Colorado Springs. Johnson's shop used to do all the work for the US Olympic shooting team but I believe they're gone now. The H&R may have the lowest-end rifle in the shop for ages.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 10, 2022 07:18 PM (nfrXX)

28 I did not win Powerball but feel like I won the lottery going to WA.

To give you an idea of what the handgun selection was like, there were five 1911s present, three Kimber Customs and a couple of Wilson Combats. One 1911 weasels daily carry and one was WFWMGB's. One was 9mm and swa and Iris really shot well with it. Seems like swa is now convinced that a 9mm 1911 is the correct pistol for her.

Posted by: blaster at April 10, 2022 07:18 PM (9otr5)

29 Ok, range report, then I'll read:

Went to WCA with the Nurse yesterday. I was doing more testing of Bubba Fly. I had installed a 3.5 Ghost connector, it really changes the Glock trigger pull. With the Romeo One red dot, accuracy is much improved. I was throwing rounds left and it was my trigger press. Putting my finger further through (ahem) and pressing with the joint instead of the pad pulled the rounds back center.

Left handed drills were better, all on target, but damn..not easy. More training needed.

Also shot some CZ Kadet .22 action for relaxation-sake. Felt good. Still using Thunderbolt ammo and getting better groups with the CZ than I was with the Ruger MK IV.
Nurse had some really impressive groups with her PPQ....if you don't count her flinch. XD
A good day at the range.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at April 10, 2022 07:19 PM (eeRB6)

30 Range report:
One of my shootin' buds gave me a 16" Green Mountain fluted barrel in .22 for my Ruger Precision Rimfire.
First time swapping out a barrel, but the internet is your friend. No surprises, other than i got it right the first time.
OK, chamber is much tighter than the stock barrel, so brass won't eject.
Any thoughts on extraction upgrade?

Posted by: RI Red at April 10, 2022 07:20 PM (p9Ppz)

31 Early today, yay me!

So, about that match: Score wise, I owned the single stack guys. Even the guys running 10 round mags. It wasn't even close, Generally beat the other 1911 guys by 9 to 10 seconds. The guys running double stack 9mm, well, there's a reason why different classifications exist.

On the Howa question: I've two Howa's and like them both. One I bought as a budget hunting rifle and the other I bought as a barreled action, put my stock of choice on it, replaced the trigger, Timney, 2#, Burris Veracity scope. Both rifles shoot well.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 10, 2022 07:21 PM (5pTK/)

32 Wow! I'm so glad the DMV Moron Gun Club had such a good time at Weasel Acres. Not surprised but happy for the group. Great report.

Posted by: JTB at April 10, 2022 07:21 PM (7EjX1)

33 Forecast is for 70 degrees and sunny in the Blue Ridge tomorrow. Magazines are loaded up, targets and backers are in the Jeep, pistols and rifle ready to go (the choice of what to take was tough). All set to go first thing in the morning. What could possibly go wrong?

I'm starting to love retirement.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at April 10, 2022 07:21 PM (uldoW)

34 I'm impressed by bluebell's shiv collection. What's the most antique shiv you own? 20th C? 18th?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 10, 2022 07:15 PM (RkC6l)
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Ha! I missed that - I had to go back to look and see what you were talking about.

Weasel, I asked you never to tell anyone about that collection! At least please don't tell them about the raincoat with all the holders inside it that I use to house all of them when I'm on the go.

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe 2022! at April 10, 2022 07:22 PM (wyw4S)

35 A trip to Weasel Acres. A fine trip to Weasel Acres. Indeed, an outstanding trip to Weasel Acres, quite well-documented!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 10, 2022 07:22 PM (a3Q+t)

36 I'm with Weasel as to the Geissele trigger. It's what's in my heavy AR-15. Very nice trigger, but not a Game Changer in the shooting arena. What I do like about it, is that it's designed to be robust to original .mil-spec standards, but with better parts, fit and geometry.

Some of those "drop in" triggers, the parts that directly engage are acutely narrower than standard, as the drop-in trigger shell will account for the same maximum width of .mil-spec parts & pieces. I'd imagine the various AR competition forums might present some wisdom as to which modular triggers are proving worthy, and which tend to fail due to those narrower, less robust internal parts.

Can't help with the Tikka/Howa question though, but for good reason: I've never known nor heard of anyone being unhappy, with either.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 10, 2022 07:22 PM (QzJWU)

37 Posted by: blaster at April 10, 2022 07:18 PM (9otr5)
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sra blaster is a shooter, and so are you!

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 07:22 PM (0IeYL)

38 27 What is the rifle in the top pic next to the shotgun?

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Posted by: Oddbob at April 10, 2022 07:18 PM (nfrXX)

The one to the right is weasels practice gun. To the left is a Colt (?) .22 bolt action single shot just like what you learned on in Cub Scout camp.

weasel says it's the gun that gets shot the most at WA.

Posted by: blaster at April 10, 2022 07:23 PM (9otr5)

39 Weasel, I asked you never to tell anyone about that collection! At least please don't tell them about the raincoat with all the holders inside it that I use to house all of them when I'm on the go.
Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe 2022! at April 10, 2022 07:22 PM (wyw4S)

bluebell, all male morons are more interested in what's under the raincoat. Flasher-wise, that is.

Posted by: RI Red at April 10, 2022 07:24 PM (p9Ppz)

40 Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe 2022! at April 10, 2022 07:22 PM (wyw4S)
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OK! Promise!

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 07:24 PM (0IeYL)

41 The trip to WA is a life changing experience. Okay, that may be a slight exaggeration but I learned so much. I found out that my rifle kept jamming because my arm is too short. Everyone else who shot it did fine. I was not pushing the pump back all the way. It looks like a Henry junior lever action may be in my future. I do like shooting the rifle with iron sights but my next purchase most likely will be a 9 mm with a red dot.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 10, 2022 07:25 PM (Y+l9t)

42 OK, chamber is much tighter than the stock barrel, so brass won't eject. Any thoughts on extraction upgrade?

Any chance the RPR uses the same extractor as the 10/22? Check pictures online. If it is, Volquarten and some others like maybe Tandemkross make an improved replacement with a sharper tip and hardened steel.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 10, 2022 07:25 PM (nfrXX)

43 Trigger Creep - positive trigger movement which does not cause the sear to move
Trigger Wall - the point when the trigger mechanism first engages the resistance of the sear
Trigger Break - the point where the trigger movement causes the sear to release the hammer

and

reset

but that is about it

Posted by: confederatefifth at April 10, 2022 07:26 PM (K3ZCc)

44 9 Why, yes, I was absent last week. Not My Fault!

Posted by: RI Red at April 10, 2022 07:02 PM

Weasel gave out the source code for our super secret Gun Thread decoder rings last week.

Let that be a lesson to you regarding unexcused absences at future gun threads!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 10, 2022 07:26 PM (tkyK5)

45 bluebell, all male morons are more interested in what's under the raincoat. Flasher-wise, that is.
Posted by: RI Red at April 10, 2022 07:24 PM (p9Ppz)
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My chain mail armor, of course.

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe 2022! at April 10, 2022 07:27 PM (wyw4S)

46 To the left is a Colt (?) .22 bolt action single shot just like what you learned on in Cub Scout camp.

That's the one I meant. Now that you say it, I recall Weasel talking about it before.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 10, 2022 07:27 PM (nfrXX)

47 Triggers (on AR):
I also have a Timney and Geissle as well as some stock GI triggers. I can feel the difference in quality and do prefer the Geissle, but I also enjoy the nickel-boron triggers Palmetto State has as an option for many of their ARs. I like a smooth trigger with a clean break. I don't fuss much on takeup. I want to know how much takeup I have, though and I like it to be consistent. A surprise break is great....but I don't want to be TOO surprised.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at April 10, 2022 07:28 PM (eeRB6)

48 sra blaster is a shooter, and so are you!
Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 07:22 PM (0IeYL)

One day I hope to shoot as well as she does!

Posted by: blaster at April 10, 2022 07:28 PM (9otr5)

49 hogmartin, I can't say anything about Howas, but Tikkas are outstanding quality. I've always been surprised that Sako didn't lower that so there'd be less competition.

You might think about a Savage 110 w/the Magpul stock. A couple of weeks ago, I watched someone fire just over .5" groups (.308, 100 yds) with several brands of ammo. I was impressed.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 10, 2022 07:28 PM (a3Q+t)

50 Pillage Idiot!

Posted by: Ben Had at April 10, 2022 07:29 PM (qiGrE)

51 A bit esoteric, even for this group, but just FYI.

When loading 12 gauge shotgun shells with black powder the brass hulls from Magtech use large pistol primers and require 10 gauge cards and wads.

Winchester AA hulls use regular 209 primers and take 12 gauge cards and wads.

Remember, you heard it here first.

Posted by: JTB at April 10, 2022 07:29 PM (7EjX1)

52 24 I'm impressed by bluebell's shiv collection. What's the most antique shiv you own? 20th C? 18th?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 10, 2022 07:15 PM

I own some really nice pointy rocks.

So my oldest shiv dates to the Paleozoic.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 10, 2022 07:29 PM (tkyK5)

53
Posted by: Oddbob at April 10, 2022 07:27 PM (nfrXX)
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Yep. 3rd from the left is a Colt Colteer. Great little rifle!

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 07:30 PM (0IeYL)

54 One day I hope to shoot as well as she does!
Posted by: blaster at April 10, 2022 07:28 PM (9otr5)
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I'm completely aggravated my wife doesn't like to shoot. She a good shot, could be better, if she was interested. Ah well.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 10, 2022 07:30 PM (5pTK/)

55 Hope each shiv has its providence tracked, Attica 1965, San Quentin 1954.

Posted by: Skip at April 10, 2022 07:31 PM (2JoB8)

56 the raincoat with all the holders inside it that I use to house all of them when I'm on the go.
Posted by: bluebell

Raincoat?
It's probably a buffalo duster...

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 10, 2022 07:31 PM (bLHu6)

57 Oddbob - you have one of those CMP H&R M12`s too? Good gun, but that stock leaves much to be desired. Like shooting a 4x4 post, I can't get my cheek in enough for a good line up with iron sights. I have often contemplated reworking the stock as a winter project.

Posted by: The Neon Madman at April 10, 2022 07:32 PM (KSXRc)

58 Sharon,
My Marine got a Henry lever action .22 for his tenth birthday. I have it here with me while he's enlisted, and it really is a joy to shoot. I take it with me when Mark and LazyMessenger and I go to the woods and it's so fun to just plink plink plink for an hour or so.

I love my Walther PPQ in 9mm. It's a really good pistol. Easy to take apart and clean. Easy to shoot. And it practically zeros in on the target all on its own.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 10, 2022 07:32 PM (U2p+3)

59 Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 10, 2022 07:29 PM (tkyK5)
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Howdy bro! Ever watched the Points365 channel on YouTube?

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 07:32 PM (0IeYL)

60 Posted by: The Neon Madman at April 10, 2022 07:32 PM (KSXRc)
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Howdy NMM!

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 07:34 PM (0IeYL)

61

The rule is expected to change the current definition of a firearm under federal law to include unfinished parts, like the frame of a handgun or the receiver of a long gun.

Posted by: DB at April 10, 2022 07:34 PM (geLO8)

62 The other splendid part of the trip was getting to have some meals together. We had a picnic lunch at the farm with Blaster grilling hot dogs and hamburgs. Everyone brought something and it was a great break. We did dinner at this little Mexican place in town. It was truly like a mini Texas.
On our way out of Appomattox, Iris and I an Blaster and Sra Blaster stopped at the National park. It was a gorgeous day and we got expert historical perspective from Blaster as we walked around.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 10, 2022 07:35 PM (Y+l9t)

63 What fun! Just shooting and seeing how different firearms stack up against each other and working on fundamentals...

Nice job Weasel and the DMV Moron Gun Club!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 10, 2022 07:36 PM (R/m4+)

64 Ben Had!!!

I am still alive and kicking.

I see you still are too!

(But then again, you are much tougher than I am!)

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 10, 2022 07:36 PM (tkyK5)

65 Tikka Masala is pretty good

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 10, 2022 07:36 PM (II3Gr)

66 Regarding triggers, on AR triggers, it depends on whether you like two stage or one stage triggers. Generally, the two stage triggers cost a bit more than their single stage competitors.

Most older bolt guns had a two stage trigger with a light takeup and then you hit the wall requiring a bit more (depending on adjustment) trigger press to complete the shot. One stage triggers do not have a light takeup but get right to the required trigger press to fire. A lot of newer shooters prefer single stage triggers.

La Rue makes a fine two stage AR trigger for way less than Geissle for around 100 bucks and I've heard that Rock River is similar but a bit less refined. Neither are adjustable cartridge triggers.

Rise makes a good cartridge trigger for the AR and so does CMC, Timney, etc. with both adjustable and non-adjustable models. I prefer the Rise Law Enforcement trigger on AR's for serious purposes.

Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 07:37 PM (Iq9dF)

67 Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 10, 2022 07:25 PM (Y+l9t)

Sharon, if you ever decide to get a shotgun, you'll have to roll w/ a semi-auto, not a pump action. Unless you get a pump action that ergonomically works for you and your arm length, working the action will be a big PITA.

Posted by: Ed L at April 10, 2022 07:37 PM (NacE+)

68 49 hogmartin, I can't say anything about Howas, but Tikkas are outstanding quality. I've always been surprised that Sako didn't lower that so there'd be less competition.

You might think about a Savage 110 w/the Magpul stock. A couple of weeks ago, I watched someone fire just over .5" groups (.308, 100 yds) with several brands of ammo. I was impressed.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 10, 2022 07:28 PM (a3Q+t)
Mrs. E hunts with a Savage 110 in .270 and has proven it to be a real deer and hog killer.

Posted by: Eromero at April 10, 2022 07:37 PM (0OP+5)

69 you have one of those CMP H&R M12's too?

Two actually. I got one in the early rounds of .22 sales when they included a Redfield Palma rear sight and another later after they ran out of sight sets. I also lucked into a Ken Vianni scope mount secondhand on rimfirecentral.com. And yeah, those stocks are somewhat, uh, voluptuous.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 10, 2022 07:38 PM (nfrXX)

70 41 ... "It looks like a Henry junior lever action may be in my future."

Sharon,
The Henry youth lever action has a length of pull (rear stock) of 13 inches and a carbine barrel of 16 inches. The regular lever action length of pull is 14 inches with an 18 inch barrel, so the youth model might help.

I have Henry lever actions in 22lr and 22 mag. They are sweet shooters and have been completely reliable.

Posted by: JTB at April 10, 2022 07:40 PM (7EjX1)

71 The rule is expected to change the current definition of a firearm under federal law to include unfinished parts, like the frame of a handgun or the receiver of a long gun.

So if I happened to own a mill and a lathe and bought a piece of steel slightly larger than a receiver...?

Posted by: Oddbob at April 10, 2022 07:40 PM (nfrXX)

72 I am going to re-mention the Mossberg Scout. It's the cheapest way to get a scout rifle without making one of your own. Jeff Cooper had this concept of a utility rifle that had specs for weight and length and caliber etc. Typically a bolt action .308. Key to the formula is a forward mounted long eye relief scope.

Ruger and Steyr have models also and they are somewhat pricier.

I dig the concept and it works well. You aren't going to reach out to 1000 yards with it but you'll get better range than an AR.

Posted by: blaster at April 10, 2022 07:41 PM (9otr5)

73 You gotta work a pump action like you're mad at it. Short stroking is not just for teenaged boys.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at April 10, 2022 07:41 PM (eeRB6)

74 Howdy bro! Ever watched the Points365 channel on YouTube?

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 07:32 PM

I had not seen that one. Looks pretty good though.

I found an arrowhead while fishing with my grandfather when I was a little kid. He said he had been fishing in that spot with his buddies for over 40 years and no one had ever found an arrowhead. He asked how I could find one in those circumstances. He said I replied, "They just weren't looking, Grandpa!"

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 10, 2022 07:42 PM (tkyK5)

75
g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at April 10, 2022 07:43 PM (DUIap)

76 Sharon, if you ever decide to get a shotgun, you'll have to roll w/ a semi-auto, not a pump action. Unless you get a pump action that ergonomically works for you and your arm length, working the action will be a big PITA.

Posted by: Ed L
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Ed L gives some good advice. Pump shotguns have to be worked vigorously in order to cycle the action. Short stroking a pump puts it out of action and to avoid that requires practice. In addition, many indoor ranges don't allow shotguns in urban areas because inevitably people end up spraying and damaging the range.

For most people, unless your locale prevents it, a pistol caliber semi auto carbine or a std AR15 in 223/5.56 is an excellent choice for home defense. I would also add the old M1 Carbine.

Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 07:43 PM (Iq9dF)

77 the shoulder holster is the best way to go if you are going to carry a gun

Posted by: confederatefifth at April 10, 2022 07:44 PM (K3ZCc)

78 I don't smoke anymore, but I like to recollect some of the Great Smokes I enjoyed, particularly when I first started to partake back in 1973. I loved Cuban cigars, of course, and when a friend brought me back some Montecristos from England, I rented black tie and tails and a top hat, and had another friend of mine drive me over to her house in a 1939 Cadillac. It was...an occasion.

One brand of cigar I enjoyed hugely, made in the Canary Islands, was the Flamenco Las Palma. Do they still make that brand, or has it passed into history?

Posted by: Paco at April 10, 2022 07:45 PM (njExo)

79
A response to Stephen Colbert (in the tradition of the epic poetry of Jack M, remove "space" after "?"):

https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=hUEK7krnEig&t=14s&ab_channel=WarriorPoetSociety

Posted by: Arbalest at April 10, 2022 07:45 PM (FlRtG)

80 77 the shoulder holster is the best way to go if you are going to carry a gun

Posted by: confederatefifth
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If you practice with it to avoid unsafe movements. Same as appendix carry, requires extra care. In addition, some body types aren't built for either of those carry methods.

I personally like shoulder holsters for driving and that is also a useful role for ankle holsters.

Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 07:46 PM (Iq9dF)

81 Henry AR7.
Nice little backpack plinker!
And it floats.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at April 10, 2022 07:46 PM (jTmQV)

82 I had another question all written up before the thread and I'll get to it but since we're talking triggers...

Does anybody if all/most AR-15 triggers will work in an Aero M5 (DPMS AR-10 pattern) lower? I mean, I suppose I could email Aero and ask but since the Horde collectively knows everything, this is easier.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 10, 2022 07:46 PM (nfrXX)

83 Endorse everything Weasel said about doing local/club matches - for fun, learning, practice. That's all I do. Most of the guys (and a few gals) who shoot these matches do a few regional things, mostly for social/fun reasons. Though one younger guy who shot where I do matches actually went pro - became one of CZ's team, moved to AR. That was a while ago.

First matches I did were very informal, all-steel, and great - round counts of 200+ (just a variety of steel targets of all kinds in separate bermed-off areas). They even used to have a Halloween night shoot which was amazing (and rare - sadly it went away when the organizer passed on).

If you're lucky you'll find a match where you can learn a lot, and have fun. I have never done really strictly run formal matches, don't interest me, and only score I care about is how well I shoot (accuracy with reasonably quick/effective operation).

Posted by: rhomboid at April 10, 2022 07:47 PM (OTzUX)

84 the people who run the Biden 'administration' are going after what they call 'ghost guns'

you shouldn't be allowed to be make your own guns, because politics in an election year

Posted by: DB at April 10, 2022 07:47 PM (geLO8)

85 Ed, JTB, the Rossi has an 18 in barrel. I have no problem hitting the target every time which is why this has been so frustrating. I think the lever action will give me the same ability to fire multiple times without losing the sight and the Henry youth is lighter so should be able to shoot longer.
I bought the Rossi because an older version was the first rifle I eve held in my hands and shot the lights out. Apparently the new models just do not compare.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 10, 2022 07:47 PM (Y+l9t)

86 If you practice with it to avoid unsafe movements. Same as appendix carry, requires extra care. In addition, some body types aren't built for either of those carry methods.

I personally like shoulder holsters for driving and that is also a useful role for ankle holsters.
Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 07:46 PM (Iq9dF)

I just bought a fancy schmancy suit without belt loops. So...gonna need to use a shoulder rig when I'm dressed up. Might even need a new shoulder rig, we'll see if what I have works with the new suit coat.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at April 10, 2022 07:48 PM (eeRB6)

87 "I found an arrowhead while fishing with my grandfather when I was a little kid.
"Posted by: Pillage Idiot"

When you found your arrowhead, was it on a kind of little pedestal where the dirt had been eroded around it? I've found them like that.

Posted by: fd at April 10, 2022 07:48 PM (vrz2I)

88 77 the shoulder holster is the best way to go if you are going to carry a gun
Posted by: confederatefifth at April 10, 2022 07:44 PM (K3ZCc)
'at least one Colt .36.'
-Josey Wales
*also carry 2 or 3 other .45 revolvers. For balance.

Posted by: Eromero at April 10, 2022 07:48 PM (0OP+5)

89 So if I happened to own a mill and a lathe and bought a piece of steel slightly larger than a receiver...?
Posted by: Oddbob at April 10, 2022 07:40 PM (nfrXX)

That's the problem with this rule. Having defined things that are not firearms as firearms, the define other non firearm things as firearms also. They will be able to slide the bar.

The discussion in the rule making is based on how many hours a regular person with the right tools it would take to make a firearm out of it. Obviously that is subject.

Posted by: blaster at April 10, 2022 07:48 PM (9otr5)

90 82 Oddbob,
AR's triggers are compatible with AR10/LR308's and specifically, yes, on the AeroPrecision lower as mine has the Rise LE cartridge trigger mentioned above.

Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 07:48 PM (Iq9dF)

91 here's my problem with concealed carry

summer
also: belly

Posted by: DB at April 10, 2022 07:49 PM (geLO8)

92 'at least one Colt .36.'
-Josey Wales
*also carry 2 or 3 other .45 revolvers. For balance.

Posted by: confederatefifth at April 10, 2022 07:49 PM (K3ZCc)

93 Sharon,

I have my father's lightweight Ithaca shotguns. He is a lefty, and loved his Ithaca's because they ejected the shells downwards instead of across his face.

Do you want me to bring the 20 gauge to the next TXMoMe for you to try? I am pretty confident that you would have no problems wielding that shotgun effectively.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 10, 2022 07:49 PM (tkyK5)

94 72

Don't forget the Savage Scout. A little heavy for the original Scout specs but a fine shooter, durably made and reasonably priced.

Posted by: Retief at April 10, 2022 07:49 PM (vSlT4)

95 ere's my problem with concealed carry

summer
also: belly

which is why the shoulder holster.

if you think about what you do and where you go when you're out, it is the smart thing.

Posted by: confederatefifth at April 10, 2022 07:50 PM (K3ZCc)

96 91 here's my problem with concealed carry

summer
also: belly

Posted by: DB
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Hawaiian or guyara un tucked shirts and strong side carry outside the waist band holster. Although that is a bit of a cliche in some places.

Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 07:51 PM (Iq9dF)

97 On the topic of triggers, I recently acquired two of those newfangled forced reset thingamabobs.

One Rare Breed and the other a Powered By Graves Alamo 15. Same concept but the Alamo uses a roller instead of a bar with the spring up and down rather than back and forth.

Gonna take them for a spin next week and see what all the hubbub is about.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 10, 2022 07:52 PM (R/m4+)

98 If you practice with it to avoid unsafe movements. Same as appendix carry, requires extra care. In addition, some body types aren't built for either of those carry methods.

I personally like shoulder holsters for driving and that is also a useful role for ankle holsters.
Posted by: w

that is the thing, there are other cooler sexier holsters, which are great if you are just standing around waiting for somebody to stand in the midst of the other end of the street and call you out, but for everyghitn else, there is the shoulder holster.

Posted by: confederatefifth at April 10, 2022 07:52 PM (K3ZCc)

99 Thanks, whig. With that assurance, I'll probably take the aforementioned Geissele out of the AR-15 lower since I expect to complete the AR-10 first.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 10, 2022 07:53 PM (nfrXX)

100 he is infamous as a participant in the tree clearing by Uzi 9mm)

Saw this at a demo at LAPD academy range, cops etc losing control of mfg rep's examples, trimming branches with slugs heading roughly to dodgers stadium. Circa 1980. Heh all mine limited to the paper targets!

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at April 10, 2022 07:53 PM (tgp/G)

101 I notice the short mag on the M14. I am thinking that normal capacity magazines aren't forbidden in VA so do you just like them hunting size?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 10, 2022 07:54 PM (yQpMk)

102 One Rare Breed and the other a Powered By Graves Alamo 15. Same concept but the Alamo uses a roller instead of a bar with the spring up and down rather than back and forth.

Gonna take them for a spin next week and see what all the hubbub is about.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy
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Rumors in the gunworld have the ATF asking Rare Breed vendors about customer lists buying those triggers. Might want to check up on that.

Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 07:54 PM (Iq9dF)

103 Don't know Sharon's exact size but the M1 carbine would likely fit her. It's a very easy, intuitive point-shoot platform. My female supervisor loves it and shoots it well. Light. For home defense, very well suited. Basically a .357 mag, but easier to shoot accurately.

Just finished my occasional big run of 30 carbine reloading. My log says last time I did some was 2 years ago. I picked up 2 lbs of H110 directly from Hodgon a few months ago, as my big jug is finally running low.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 10, 2022 07:54 PM (OTzUX)

104 We may get snow this week.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 10, 2022 07:54 PM (U2p+3)

105 Posted by: gourmand du jour at April 10, 2022 07:46 PM (jTmQV)

The AR-7 also goes well inside an attache case w/ a Walther PPK.

Posted by: Ed L at April 10, 2022 07:55 PM (NacE+)

106 99 Thanks, whig. With that assurance, I'll probably take the aforementioned Geissele out of the AR-15 lower since I expect to complete the AR-10 first.

Posted by: Oddbob
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You are welcome. BTW, congrats on your HR12 CMP firearm purchase and refitting. Cool firearm with a great story.

Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 07:56 PM (Iq9dF)

107 Hawaiian or guyara un tucked shirts and strong side carry outside the waist band holster. Although that is a bit of a cliche in some places.

Any time you see someone wearing a "photographer's vest" who doesn't have two or three cameras slung around his neck, you can be sure he's carrying.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 10, 2022 07:56 PM (nfrXX)

108 Pillage, this is what I love about all of you. I love trying different models. I came late to this "hobby" so have a lot of catching up to do. (I use the term hobby so as not to alarm my children). But, I really looking for a rifle to go plinking so I think a shotgun unnecessary at this point.
I hurt my shoulder firing Blaster's Mossberg but would do it again in a heartbeat. Why you might ask? So I could hear the target clang.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 10, 2022 07:56 PM (Y+l9t)

109 Checking in after a goodly FaceTime convo with Giggles. Also, yes, I DID go to the range. function test good on all three firearms, test firing good for both AR 556 rifles. 300 BLK pistol? Failure to full eject using supersonic rounds. I think it's because I didn't have the piston (did I mention I built it using an Adams Arms piston vs direct impingement?) adequately adjusted. Single shots, boresnke down the tube after each one for barrel break in. Didn't try to zero, but satisfactory for new build.

How YOU, doin'?

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at April 10, 2022 07:56 PM (Iw46i)

110 Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 10, 2022 07:54 PM (yQpMk)
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It's a 10 rounder and really just the one I grabbed before heading to the farm. That said, I rarely fire more than 10 in a string.

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 07:57 PM (0IeYL)

111 When you found your arrowhead, was it on a kind of little pedestal where the dirt had been eroded around it? I've found them like that.

Posted by: fd at April 10, 2022 07:48 PM

I am a geologist in my "big boy" job. Yes, that is very common means of finding hard objects in eroding soft strata. The same principle holds true for finding fossils.

I had some paleontology buddies in grad school that used to race out to their best sites after the snows melted back. A good winter of erosion ALWAYS exposed new fossils.

If you have a good site for hunting arrowheads, then I highly recommend grabbing your buddies/kids/etc. and trying to be the first people out to the site after winter. You should be well rewarded.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 10, 2022 07:57 PM (tkyK5)

112 I bought my P226 in part because it came with a Galco Miami Classic.

Only way to carry a full size for me.

Posted by: blaster at April 10, 2022 07:57 PM (9otr5)

113 M1 Carbines, if one can get one, are a really good self defense firearm certified by no less than noted trainers John Farnam and the late Jim Cirrillo of the NYPD Stakeout Squad and later FLETC trainer in Georgia.

Just use softpoints for defensive use.

Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 07:58 PM (Iq9dF)

114 in fairness, conceald carry, even in TX, is almost more troubl than it is worth.

half the stores in TX do not allow guns

Posted by: confederatefifth at April 10, 2022 07:58 PM (K3ZCc)

115 No chance on any trip to VA, because we won't put up with airline bullshit, and it's too far to drive a trailer. Plus, around that time, we'll be running the Idaho State 4-H air rifle and smallbore rifle championships. One of our students may well win both (if she decides to compete in both) - that one's Olympics-bound for sure.

We hope that teaching kids to shoot safely and accurately, and how to be "in it to win it", is a good enough reason to miss the NoVaMoMe.

Posted by: Pat* at April 10, 2022 07:59 PM (2pX/F)

116 I bought my P226 in part because it came with a Galco Miami Classic.

Only way to carry a full size for me.
Posted by: b

both are nice

Posted by: confederatefifth at April 10, 2022 07:59 PM (K3ZCc)

117 C5, I have several shoulder rigs and carry everything from small nines to full size 1911s. My problem is I'm bony and maybe some padded rig would be more comfortable. Mostly carry on strongside hip OWB.

Posted by: Eromero at April 10, 2022 08:00 PM (0OP+5)

118 "If you have a good site for hunting arrowheads, then I highly recommend grabbing your buddies/kids/etc. and trying to be the first people out to the site after winter. "

I've collected quite a few over the years. I used to live next to a great site, a kaolin mine.

Posted by: fd at April 10, 2022 08:00 PM (vrz2I)

119 Any time you see someone wearing a "photographer's vest" who doesn't have two or three cameras slung around his neck, you can be sure he's carrying.

Posted by: Oddbob

Vests are also known as the Shoot Me First option for concealed carry (I joke).

Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 08:00 PM (Iq9dF)

120 Friend couple that I'm trying to help gun up for their multi-year trailer travels around CONUS, was thinking of reco'ing a youth 20 gauge shotgun (for size, and recoil). The wife can handle the Mossberg 500, but with effort. Need to find a local range that rents them for a test drive, though. They just want "something", i.e. not be unarmed, but they're not experienced gun people. Trying to steer them to a long gun for several reasons.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 10, 2022 08:00 PM (OTzUX)

121 Posted by: Pat* at April 10, 2022 07:59 PM (2pX/F)
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Best wishes for the competitors!!

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 08:00 PM (0IeYL)

122 For the 2022VaMoMe are squirt guns provided again or do we have to bring our own this time?

Posted by: Theodore at April 10, 2022 08:01 PM (GJnvT)

123 Rumors in the gunworld have the ATF asking Rare Breed vendors about customer lists buying those triggers. Might want to check up on that.
Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 07:54 PM (Iq9dF)

Yup....my FFL guy gave me a copy of the letter which strongly encourages FFL's not to deal with, be seen in the vicinity of or have relations with "some" "forced reset triggers" as the NFA and GCA will cause blah blah blah.

The letter than "encourages" you to contact the ATF for further guidance.

I think I may have to buy a few more...may be collector's items one day.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 10, 2022 08:01 PM (R/m4+)

124 The ATF has declared that the gun thread qualifies as a firearm.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 10, 2022 08:01 PM (R8uWY)

125 C5, I have several shoulder rigs and carry everything from small nines to full size 1911s. My problem is I'm bony and maybe some padded rig would be more comfortable. Mostly carry on strongside hip OWB.

nice.

my first choice would just be strapping something in a gun belt 1800s gunfighter fashin

Posted by: confederatefifth at April 10, 2022 08:01 PM (K3ZCc)

126 Sharon, we need to give you a chance to shoot some skeet.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 10, 2022 08:02 PM (qiGrE)

127 Thanks for talking about the grips, (or stocks).

Wherever possible I have Pachmayr grips on my handguns. All the 1911s, and the revolvers.

I replaced the stock S&W Hogues with Pachmayr's too. I find the grip to be comfortable, and grippy, without a sliding around in the hand with the rubberier Hogues.

I like that the Pachmayr's aren't like box graters, like some of the G-10's that you get.

YMMV.

Posted by: Bones at April 10, 2022 08:02 PM (BfhnT)

128 half the stores in TX do not allow guns

It varies from place to place in pretty much the way you'd expect. Almost every place has 30.07 (open carry) signs but I really don't see all that many 30.06 signs.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 10, 2022 08:03 PM (nfrXX)

129 he ATF has declared that the gun thread qualifies as a firearm.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 10, 2022 08:01 PM (R8uWY)

in fairness, the comments are save sn

Posted by: confederatefifth at April 10, 2022 08:03 PM (K3ZCc)

130 I buy ammo in quantity to replace what I use. Right now. there is enough that adding will cause problems of where to put it.

My AO is not really defensive oriented, so if things go pear shaped we're gone. I have a safe place for the wife and what I'll need will fit in the vehicle. The rest will just have to sit and wait for a return. Not a lot I can do to improve things so I don't get upsettled.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 10, 2022 08:03 PM (KATBx)

131 Sharon, you'll have to try the Benelli M4. I'm pretty sure that its recoil is lot milder than most other shotguns. The gas operated system helps eat up a lot of recoil.

Posted by: Ed L at April 10, 2022 08:03 PM (NacE+)

132 Only criminals are allowed unrestricted concealed carry in TX.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 10, 2022 08:04 PM (R8uWY)

133 in fairness, conceald carry, even in TX, is almost more troubl than it is worth.

half the stores in TX do not allow guns

Posted by: confederatefifth at April 10, 2022 07:58 P

Been living here in NE Texas for over 5 years and I have only come across one store that prohibited firearms.

I saw the sign and never went in. It was some book store in McKinney or Allen.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at April 10, 2022 08:04 PM (bVYXr)

134 I'm not a fan of bug out plans. Refugees are not treated well in hard times. Unless you're living in an urban area (in which case, move now), I think folks are better off hunkering down.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at April 10, 2022 08:05 PM (eeRB6)

135 Ben Had, I am up for anything. I have had so much fun since I met all of you.
So, here's a MoMe plug. I was in MD for 3 weeks when I went to the VA MoMe. 19 months later, posting on the gun thread.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 10, 2022 08:05 PM (Y+l9t)

136 M1 carbines, new production, are available from several sources (well at least 2 I think - Kahr/AO and the "new" Inland). Pricey, but likely to hold their value if that matters.

Of course these days there are a lot of pistol caliber carbines available, don't know much about them (though have shot quite a few at the range when customers offer), some probably could be had for less than a little M1.

But having the same rifle that Col. Batguano used in Dr. Strangelove has gotta be worth something.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 10, 2022 08:05 PM (OTzUX)

137 How does a shoulder holster work with boobs?
I'm liking my corset holster, but it's a little scratchy and irritating to my skin, so I have to wear a thin layer underneath.

I'm getting less uncomfortable wearing a firearm. It's a process.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 10, 2022 08:06 PM (U2p+3)

138 122 For the 2022VaMoMe are squirt guns provided again or do we have to bring our own this time?
Posted by: Theodore at April 10, 2022 08:01 PM (GJnvT)
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I'll refer that question to the Prize Committee.

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 08:07 PM (0IeYL)

139 Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 07:58 PM (Iq9dF)

Whig, wasn't somebody (I forget who) making reproductions of M1 carbines right now? The real things (even reworked/repaired) are just too expensive if you're not a collector.

Posted by: Ed L at April 10, 2022 08:07 PM (NacE+)

140 You can make a firearm out of bamboo, rope, and rocks ya know.

Posted by: fd at April 10, 2022 08:07 PM (vrz2I)

141 120 Friend couple that I'm trying to help gun up for their multi-year trailer travels around CONUS, was thinking of reco'ing a youth 20 gauge shotgun (for size, and recoil). The wife can handle the Mossberg 500, but with effort. Need to find a local range that rents them for a test drive, though. They just want "something", i.e. not be unarmed, but they're not experienced gun people. Trying to steer them to a long gun for several reasons.

Posted by: rhomboid
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I am going to be a bit contrary here but they might do well with a pair of old fashioned double barrelled cowboy style coach guns in 20 gauge.

Otherwise, you can get recoil reducing stocks for Remington shotguns and could at least for the 12 gauge in Mossbergs. MAE has nice things to say for the budget level Stevens 320 shottie.

Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 08:08 PM (Iq9dF)

142 It sounds like the ATF is worming their regulations to declare that anything that might eventually end up in a firearm is a firearm from inception, and must be registered as such. Otherwise the application to register at a later date will be denied.
Did you register that iron ore as a firearm? No? Well now that it has been smelted into steel and cast into a barrel, we won't register it.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 10, 2022 08:08 PM (R8uWY)

143 Sharon, these months later you have become family.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 10, 2022 08:08 PM (qiGrE)

144 You can make a firearm out of bamboo, rope, and rocks ya know.

Missed sock opportunity.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 10, 2022 08:09 PM (nfrXX)

145 Posted by: Bones at April 10, 2022 08:02 PM (BfhnT)
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Howdy and welcome back to the Gun Thread!

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 08:09 PM (0IeYL)

146 I hurt my shoulder firing Blaster's Mossberg but would do it again in a heartbeat. Why you might ask? So I could hear the target clang.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 10, 2022 07:56 PM

I have two daughters that are roughly your size.

The oldest one couldn't figure any good purpose for a shotgun. I let her shoot my 12 gauge with 8 shot at the biggest cardboard box we could find.

She said the box just barely twitched when she shot. I then took her up close and she saw at least 400 tiny holes in the box. She then declared that a shotgun could also be a valuable tool for solving certain types of problems.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 10, 2022 08:09 PM (tkyK5)

147 Whig, wasn't somebody (I forget who) making reproductions of M1 carbines right now? The real things (even reworked/repaired) are just too expensive if you're not a collector.

Posted by: Ed L
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Kahr makes them under their Auto Ordnance label. Universal, Ivor Johnson, etc. did make them but I would avoid those unless you know what you are buying and can fix them.

Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 08:09 PM (Iq9dF)

148
my first choice would just be strapping something in a gun belt 1800s gunfighter fashin
Posted by: confederatefifth at April 10, 2022 08:01 PM (K3ZCc)
Yeah, I do that a lot.

Posted by: Eromero at April 10, 2022 08:10 PM (0OP+5)

149 M1 carbines, new production, are available from several sources (well at least 2 I think - Kahr/AO and the "new" Inland). Pricey, but likely to hold their value if that matters.

Of course these days there are a lot of pistol caliber carbines available, don't know much about them (though have shot quite a few at the range when customers offer), some probably could be had for less than a little M1.

But having the same rifle that Col. Batguano used in Dr. Strangelove has gotta be worth something.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 10, 2022 08:05 PM

I bought a Colt AR9mm PCC 3 years ago for $800 and I love it. 32 round stick magazines and it never jams.

Just priced it out on gun broker and those things are selling for $1,800 now.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at April 10, 2022 08:10 PM (bVYXr)

150 I don't have to go nowhere. Come and take it. I have the high ground and an unlimited fresh water source.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 10, 2022 08:10 PM (R8uWY)

151 FWIW, Classic Firearms had some shooter grade M1 Carbines in stock for about 1 grand or so.

Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 08:11 PM (Iq9dF)

152 Kahr makes them under their Auto Ordnance label. Universal, Ivor Johnson, etc. did make them but I would avoid those unless you know what you are buying and can fix them.
Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 08:09 PM (Iq9dF)
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If you have the money and the patience, Fulton Armory is an option.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 10, 2022 08:11 PM (5pTK/)

153 It sounds like the ATF is worming their regulations to declare that anything that might eventually end up in a firearm is a firearm from inception...

In fairness (why?) to the current regime, this is one area where Trump would have been only marginally better, if at all.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 10, 2022 08:11 PM (nfrXX)

154 Holy cow--Weasel Acres is gorgeous. I'm very jealous of the Moron Gin Club members who got to sample the shooting amenities there under the tutelage of Weasel himself!

What a fun thread, Weasel!

Posted by: Ladyl at April 10, 2022 08:13 PM (+4oV5)

155 Trump wasn't trying to put someone who hates you and wants you disarmed and dead as the head of ATF.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 10, 2022 08:13 PM (R8uWY)

156 If you have the money and the patience, Fulton Armory is an option.

Posted by: blake
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Thanks for the reminder, I have to order some parts from them.

Fulton Armory is also a good source of quality Garand parts and M1 Carbine parts.

Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 08:13 PM (Iq9dF)

157 I've collected quite a few over the years. I used to live next to a great site, a kaolin mine.

Posted by: fd at April 10, 2022 08:00 PM

Ooh, that does sound good.

Do you still live close enough to take a crew of cub scouts out some Saturday? They would have a blast!

(If they found a lot, then you might achieve "hero" status.)

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 10, 2022 08:13 PM (tkyK5)

158 Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 08:09 PM (Iq9dF)
Thanks, Whig. I saw a couple on the tables at the last Chantilly gun show, but couldn't remember who made them. One of them was a M1A1 paratrooper model.

Posted by: Ed L at April 10, 2022 08:13 PM (NacE+)

159 Fine, I'll do the responsible thing and sign up for the MoMe. Gotta find a way to bribe the Missus......

Posted by: Draki at April 10, 2022 08:16 PM (5cCmt)

160 Citadel makes M1 carbine repros in 22.

Posted by: blaster at April 10, 2022 08:16 PM (9otr5)

161 My chain mail armor, of course.
Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe 2022! at April 10, 2022 07:27 PM

Kinky....

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 10, 2022 08:17 PM (RkC6l)

162 126 Sharon, we need to give you a chance to shoot some skeet.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 10, 2022 08:02 PM

Are those skeet good eatin'?

(Yes, I earned my last name the old fashioned way!)

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 10, 2022 08:17 PM (tkyK5)

163 in fairness, they, the atf might be arout to get some schooling about overreach, the meaning of arbitrayr and capricious, and void for vagueness.

Posted by: confederatefifth at April 10, 2022 08:17 PM (K3ZCc)

164 I'm very jealous of the Moron Gin Club members

Awesome typo

Posted by: blaster at April 10, 2022 08:18 PM (9otr5)

165 Trump wasn't trying to put someone who hates you and wants you disarmed and dead as the head of ATF.

in fairness, disarmed was his secnd choice

Posted by: confederatefifth at April 10, 2022 08:19 PM (K3ZCc)

166 140 You can make a firearm out of bamboo, rope, and rocks ya know.

Posted by: fd at April 10, 2022 08:07 PM

That is true, but I heard the fine is pretty costly if you shoot a Gorn out of season!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 10, 2022 08:19 PM (tkyK5)

167 We hope that teaching kids to shoot safely and accurately, and how to be "in it to win it", is a good enough reason to miss the NoVaMoMe.
Posted by: Pat* at April 10, 2022 07:59 PM (2pX/F)
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We have consulted the judges and they have ruled that you have a valid reason to miss the NoVaMoMe, since you are busy doing Good Works.

The rest of you, however, have no such excuse. Email me for info!

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe 2022! at April 10, 2022 08:19 PM (wyw4S)

168 Posted by: Ladyl at April 10, 2022 08:13 PM (+4oV5)
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Always a pleasure to have you here!

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 08:19 PM (0IeYL)

169 164 I'm very jealous of the Moron Gin Club members

Awesome typo
Posted by: blaster at April 10, 2022 08:18 PM (9otr5)

When I type a typo I don't fool around.

Posted by: Ladyl at April 10, 2022 08:20 PM (+4oV5)

170 Posted by: Ed L
Rhomboid beat me to it and has an Auto Ordnance along with a genuine M1 Carbine.

Inland uses Kahr made receivers but otherwise supposedly makes the rests of its parts.

Both Inland and Kahr use cast receivers rather than the original GI forged ones. Fulton, I think uses forged or did.

Doesn't matter much for practical purposes but some GI parts will not work with cast receivers due to different specs. Universal carbines have its own weird history where they started with GI parts and as those ran out changed to mostly aftermarket. Ivor Johnsons are more or less to be avoided as they were made in the 70's after most of the original GI parts had dried up and that company had the storied name but financial problems which affected build quality.

Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 08:20 PM (Iq9dF)

171 in fairness, disarmed was his secnd choice
Posted by: confederatefifth at April 10, 2022 08:19 PM (K3ZCc)
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why do I always come up in moron threads? Can't you guys just leave it alone? Why must you be so mean! *sob*

Posted by: Michelle Fields at April 10, 2022 08:20 PM (5pTK/)

172 FJB is trying again with another disarmed/dead gun grabber. This one just has a friendlier smile.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 10, 2022 08:21 PM (R8uWY)

173 168 Posted by: Ladyl at April 10, 2022 08:13 PM (+4oV5)
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Always a pleasure to have you here!
Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 08:19 PM (0IeYL

Miss you, dahlin.

Posted by: Ladyl at April 10, 2022 08:21 PM (+4oV5)

174 Moron Gin and Gun Club. What can go wrong?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 10, 2022 08:22 PM (R8uWY)

175 I'm very jealous of the Moron Gin Club members

Awesome typo
Posted by: blaster at April 10, 2022 08:18 PM (9otr5)

When I type a typo I don't fool around.
Posted by: Ladyl at April 10, 2022 08:20 PM (+4oV5)
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That was a typo? I thought gin, or some sort of alcohol, was SOP for moron meets.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 10, 2022 08:22 PM (5pTK/)

176 I do not personally like the ultra-light triggers favored by many of my shooting buddies who may have theirs set as low as 8 ounces. I have also seen these same people have unintended discharges on the line during a match string as a result of their ultra-light trigger settings.

With you on this 100%. I don't do any match shooting, so generally speaking a stock trigger meets my needs. I am in the school of semi-thought that advocates that the shooter will adapt to just about any config, with sufficient range time. As always, thanks for the gub.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 10, 2022 08:22 PM (Xrfse)

177 154 Holy cow--Weasel Acres is gorgeous. I'm very jealous of the Moron Gin Club members who got to sample the shooting amenities there under the tutelage of Weasel himself!

What a fun thread, Weasel!

Posted by: Ladyl at April 10, 2022 08:13 PM

A Moron Gin Club? As usual, Ladyl is trying to elevate the moron horde to next level stuff!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 10, 2022 08:22 PM (tkyK5)

178 That was a typo? I thought gin, or some sort of alcohol, was SOP for moron meets.

bathtub

Posted by: confederatefifth at April 10, 2022 08:22 PM (K3ZCc)

179
Miss you, dahlin.
Posted by: Ladyl at April 10, 2022 08:21 PM (+4oV5)
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You too!

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 08:22 PM (0IeYL)

180 Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 10, 2022 08:22 PM (Xrfse)
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Happy to do it!

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 08:25 PM (0IeYL)

181 Pillage Idiot, put enough hot sauce on them and they are passable.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 10, 2022 08:25 PM (qiGrE)

182 Miss you, dahlin.
Posted by: Ladyl at April 10, 2022 08:21 PM (+4oV5)
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You too!
Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 08:22 PM (0IeYL)
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I know how to remedy that!

Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe 2022! at April 10, 2022 08:25 PM (wyw4S)

183 Ed L as noted by whig and blake and myself, a few sources for little M1s. Haven't checked but unless they went under a company that bought the "Inland" name is also making new ones, I assume USGI in nature (AO says theirs aren't but far haven't encountered anything where USGI didn't work, including the bolt disassembly tool).

But for pistol-caliber carbines there are many choices now. I'd think light and properly configured ones would be very good for smaller/female/less experienced shooters. There was a guy who came to the range last year, he'd built an ultra-light AR-platform 9mm for his wife, it was sweet.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 10, 2022 08:25 PM (OTzUX)

184 By the way, Weasel Acres looks great. I really like the shooting table. Is that your table or did someone else bring it?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 10, 2022 08:25 PM (5pTK/)

185 Any chance the RPR uses the same extractor as the 10/22? Check pictures online. If it is, Volquarten and some others like maybe Tandemkross make an improved replacement with a sharper tip and hardened steel.
Posted by: Oddbob at April 10, 2022 07:25 PM (nfrXX)

Likely, oddbob. My internet-fu is echoing your thoughts. Thanks.

Posted by: RI Red at April 10, 2022 08:26 PM (p9Ppz)

186 Posted by: Michelle Fields at April 10, 2022 08:20 PM (5pTK/)

It was an interesting situation that is hard to forget.

Posted by: Draki at April 10, 2022 08:26 PM (5cCmt)

187 Better half just called for dinner.

Thanks for putting together another gun thread, Weasel.

I assume your recent trip to Weasel Acres managed to put the blood pressure reading back into the healthy range!

I need to get out to my farm. My brother saw turkeys today when he went out to set up his blind, so I am hoping to make it out soon.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 10, 2022 08:27 PM (tkyK5)

188 Weasel gave out the source code for our super secret Gun Thread decoder rings last week.

Let that be a lesson to you regarding unexcused absences at future gun threads!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 10, 2022 07:26 PM (tkyK5)

PI, I already drink gallons of ovaltine!

Posted by: RI Red at April 10, 2022 08:28 PM (p9Ppz)

189 Ladyl, both Weasel and Geoff got hats!

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 10, 2022 08:28 PM (Y+l9t)

190 Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 08:20 PM (Iq9dF)

People told me not to buy the Universal or Iver Johnson carbines for years, but I didn't know the reasons why until now. Thanks again, Whig!

Posted by: Ed L at April 10, 2022 08:28 PM (NacE+)

191 181 Pillage Idiot, put enough hot sauce on them and they are passable.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 10, 2022 08:25 PM

I don't think I am cooking them long enough. Mine are always a little crunchy!

P.S. Thanks for the dinner fixings that you sent me!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 10, 2022 08:29 PM (tkyK5)

192 OK, here's the question I wanted to ask earlier. It's about handloading for an autoloading rifle. Right now for an M-1 but there is also an AR-10 currently in the "order one major part each payday" stage that I hope to have completed by the end of summer.

The question is: what is a minimum safe seating depth? For example, with the M-1, I measured the length to the lands at 2.780 using the Hornady tool and my intended bullet. I'm pretty sure I don't want to seat live loads to exactly that. So is, say, -0.005 or -0.010 OK? My other plan would be to load up a dummy round at some number, again say -0.005, mark the bullet with a sharpie, feed it from the magazine several times in a row, and then check for evidence of hitting the lands. Also, since I'm using a bushing die, I could go down a thou on the neck size for more tension.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 10, 2022 08:30 PM (nfrXX)

193 "Range" report, if a dirt embankment out in the desert can be called a range.

Took four fireams to test-shoot after working on them. #1 was buddy's Savage Model 187J .22 auto loader rifle. Came to me with a wrong, non-working firing pin. Made a replica out of carbon steel cut from a worn-out circular saw blade, and welded a "T" on the end to make it agree with an image found online. It worked! If the home made firing pin saw its way clear to fall on a cartridge, the cartridge fired. Failure to eject was a problem, though. Buddy said that was pre-existing.

#2 was my little Harrington and Richardson .32 S&W double-action only revolver. It had issues with fore and aft slop in the cylinder, leading to soft firing pin strikes. I put a tiny spot of weld on the end of the cylinder pivot axle, and that helped some. I could get three rounds in succession to fire, sometimes. I may have to beef up the hammer spring, or add a little length to the firing pin. Snappy recoil, but it points naturally. A little nickle-plated sweetheart. 1/2

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 10, 2022 08:30 PM (P3gRi)

194 My chain mail armor, of course.
Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe 2022! at April 10, 2022 07:27 PM (wyw4S)

Oh, dear.
Chaste makes waste.

Posted by: RI Red at April 10, 2022 08:30 PM (p9Ppz)

195 whig your coach gun reco is quite sensible - thing is with this couple that unless they show some serious interest in working on this issue, and learning how to use whatever platform they choose, I'm not going to spend a lot of time or energy on it. I've taken them to my range after hours twice to try everything that might be a candidate from my modest arsenal.

One reason for shotgun beyond effectiveness/comparative ease of use is legal - don't think there's any reason to worry about an 18.5-inch pump 12 ga being fine in all 48 states & Alaska. Whereas with handguns, well as you know it could be something to keep track of.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 10, 2022 08:30 PM (OTzUX)

196 For PDW I will make a pitch again for the Extar EP9. I forgot, picked up a second one this past week. The new version has a few differences from the previous but same foundations. Polymer AR-ish 9mm "pistol". $459 from Extar. Just add optics.

Not exactly a PCC as it is a pistol but it fits in that niche.

Posted by: blaster at April 10, 2022 08:30 PM (9otr5)

197 On triggers, they are a personal preference but since my rifles like BFD are not for match purposes, I prefer triggers no lighter than about 4 lbs or so.

My only requirement is that they be smooth with not much if any creep, solid reset, and a constant trigger pull weight (leaving out the lighter 1st stage of a 2 stage trigger).

Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 08:31 PM (Iq9dF)

198
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 10, 2022 08:25 PM (5pTK/)
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I got that at Home Depot. Very solid! I'll try and remember to put a link in next Sunday's thread.

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 08:31 PM (0IeYL)

199 Shanghai is what happens when citizens are disarmed.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 10, 2022 08:32 PM (R8uWY)

200 Weasel, darn you, I'm going to have to look into those Cuabas (haven't heard of them before). I should have another cigar review for you this week, I just burned one before gun-thread time.

And with She Equips Herself, I think the proper formulation is "I watch the videos for the gun content" - right? Sort of like "I read it for the articles" in a famous magazine of yesteryear?

Posted by: rhomboid at April 10, 2022 08:33 PM (OTzUX)

201 And Trump endorsed Mitt Oz for PA senate. Christ. This fucking guy.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 10, 2022 08:33 PM (R8uWY)

202 One reason for shotgun beyond effectiveness/comparative ease of use is legal - don't think there's any reason to worry about an 18.5-inch pump 12 ga being fine in all 48 states & Alaska. Whereas with handguns, well as you know it could be something to keep track of.

Posted by: rhomboid
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Only thing to watch is some states regulate loaded long arms (primarily to prevent poaching) in vehicles. That is another point in favor of single or double barrel break opens as easy to load or empty.

Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 08:33 PM (Iq9dF)

203 The M1 carbine is just a fun, practical gun (not recommended for grizzly, though). I think if by Cosmic Decree that I was limited to owning only one gun, I'd choose the carbine.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at April 10, 2022 08:33 PM (uldoW)

204 Posted by: rhomboid at April 10, 2022 08:33 PM (OTzUX)
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Yep!!!

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 08:34 PM (0IeYL)

205 I wonder if that spiced rum drink is going to be back at the MoMe. Will we have to settled on old fashions?

Posted by: Draki at April 10, 2022 08:36 PM (5cCmt)

206 Posted by: rhomboid at April 10, 2022 08:25 PM (OTzUX)

Rhomboid, I picked up an H&K SP-5 recently. I think it's a great introductory centerfire firearm for new shooters because of its light weight, very low recoil, and high accuracy. The fact that it's a semi-auto only version of one of the most famous/notorious SMGs doesn't hurt. The cost is the only (really big) downside. But you're right, there are a ton of good PCC choices out there, and most don't cost the fortune an H&K does.

Posted by: Ed L at April 10, 2022 08:37 PM (NacE+)

207 2/2: #3 on the list was the Eibar Ruby .32 ACP pistol, circa 1920's. Another real sweet shooter. I reformed the ends of the (probably non-original) recoil spring, and loaded it with recent production round-nose-ammo. Had one only failure to eject, which could have been me limp-wristing it. Otherwise, pew, pew, pew, pew, pew.

#4 on the list was the el-cheapo German junk single-action .22 revolver. It just plain worked. Ate everything I loaded in it, including the five unfired .22 rounds I found on the ground where I parked the Jeep. Big fun, for a $75 gun.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 10, 2022 08:37 PM (P3gRi)

208 great, thanks for the answer, weasel, I'll keep an eye out for the link.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 10, 2022 08:37 PM (5pTK/)

209 Otherwise, you can get recoil reducing stocks for Remington shotguns and could at least for the 12 gauge in Mossbergs. MAE has nice things to say for the budget level Stevens 320 shottie.
Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 08:08 PM (Iq9dF)

*Nods*

The Stevens 320 is cheap and very friendly, recoil is mild for a 12ga. I will probably buy one in 20ga, which would be even more mild in recoil.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at April 10, 2022 08:37 PM (eeRB6)

210 On my PTR-91, the fella who had it before me worked the trigger over so it's 3-4 lbs with a very short reset.

Nice, but when I first got it I was expecting the heavy,creep ridden, solid wall triggers usually found on HK/PTR/Cetme type rifles.

Took me a few range trips to get used to it.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 10, 2022 08:38 PM (R/m4+)

211 197 Double set triggers on old school euro sporting rifles can be extremely light when set. Best or worst (however you look at it) are triggers on German Zimmerstutzen parlor rifles. Some are in the "look at it cross eyed and it'll go off" range.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 10, 2022 08:38 PM (lz5hY)

212 Nice, but when I first got it I was expecting the heavy,creep ridden, solid wall triggers usually found on HK/PTR/Cetme type rifles.

Took me a few range trips to get used to it.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy
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HB, You are the first to actually brag about an HK/PTR/Cetme trigger. Must be a first. Now, all you need to do is invent a story for it like the guy you bought it from was GSG9 and if your rifle could talk--blah blah blah.

Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 08:40 PM (Iq9dF)

213 Oddbob, you mean M1 Garand reloading?

Weasel and others can address more sophistimicated issues - I only reload to replicate standard issue (M2?) ammo. Seating depth not much of an issue, I just seat to whatever SAAMI standard OAL is, with 150g FMJBT bullets and brass that has length within spec (used to trim all cases to uniform length, easing off that now, just trimming those that exceed desired length per Wilson case gauge).

Posted by: rhomboid at April 10, 2022 08:41 PM (OTzUX)

214 My only requirement is that they be smooth with not much if any creep, solid reset, and a constant trigger pull weight

Couldn't have said it any better.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 10, 2022 08:41 PM (Xrfse)

215 "Whatever you bid - IT IS NOT ENOUGH."

But they all laughed at the money I spent on raffle tickets last year. I knew what I was doing (even if I didn't win).

Posted by: GWB at April 10, 2022 08:43 PM (D/wPf)

216 Weasel and others can address more sophistimicated issues - I only reload to replicate standard issue (M2?) ammo. Seating depth not much of an issue, I just seat to whatever SAAMI standard OAL is, with 150g FMJBT bullets and brass that has length within spec (used to trim all cases to uniform length, easing off that now, just trimming those that exceed desired length per Wilson case gauge).
Posted by: rhomboid at April 10, 2022 08:41 PM (OTzUX)
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That's exactly what I do!

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 08:43 PM (0IeYL)

217 Mark and whig, thanks for the Stevens suggestion. I was thinking of suggesting Mossberg's budget line (forget the name). Have never fired a 20 ga but was thinking about it as an option for my friends just because less recoil.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 10, 2022 08:43 PM (OTzUX)

218 217 Mark and whig, thanks for the Stevens suggestion. I was thinking of suggesting Mossberg's budget line (forget the name). Have never fired a 20 ga but was thinking about it as an option for my friends just because less recoil.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 10, 2022 08:43 PM (OTzUX)

Mosserberg's cheapo is the Maverick 88, which is also a good, cheap shotty.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at April 10, 2022 08:44 PM (eeRB6)

219 211 bill in AR,

Set triggers are a bit different category than light triggers. I have a Hawken blackpowder rifle that has the set triggers and both are actually pretty smooth for a kit gun.

In the field though, I would only set the trigger if in one place with a solid rest, not moving, and anticipating the shot in short order.

Occasionally, you will see a Mauser 98 with set triggers either as later add on for a sporterized one or some of the rare Mauser factory sporters.

Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 08:45 PM (Iq9dF)

220 Hogmartin, I own a Tikka T3 Lite chambered in 300
WSM. It's a great lightweight rifle for humping up and down the CO Rocky Mountains while pursuing elk. Good trigger, sub 1.5 MOA accuracy, and a smooth action. However, it kicks like a mule.

Posted by: PacosMojo at April 10, 2022 08:45 PM (7VOVZ)

221 Evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons. It is welcome, but not surprising to hear that Weasel is as gracious a host in meatspace as he is here.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at April 10, 2022 08:45 PM (v23vE)

222 I dunno, maybe I've just been lucky with most (not all) OEM triggers.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 10, 2022 08:45 PM (Xrfse)

223 But they all laughed at the money I spent on raffle tickets last year. I knew what I was doing (even if I didn't win).
Posted by: GWB at April 10, 2022 08:43 PM (D/wPf)
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Maybe join the DMV Moron Gun Club?

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 08:46 PM (0IeYL)

224 Mark that's it, Maverick 88, thanks.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 10, 2022 08:47 PM (OTzUX)

225 You are the first to actually brag about an HK/PTR/Cetme trigger. Must be a first. Now, all you need to do is invent a story for it like the guy you bought it from was GSG9 and if your rifle could talk--blah blah blah.
Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 08:40 PM (Iq9dF)

Hahaha...yup...Shocked the heck out of me. The guy also had 40 plus mags and 2 extra trigger packs(one SEF and one semi only). I gave the surplus to a dealer friend of mine to find a new home for them as I had enough mags and I put the trigger packs up for spare parts.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 10, 2022 08:47 PM (R/m4+)

226 217 Rhomboid, Mossbergs budget line is Maverick and about the only differernce is safety location, Maverick being a trigger safety instead of tang. Mossberg made or makes a really nice 20 ga youth model, 20" vent rib barrel, nice stock, just a nice looking little gun. Comes with choke tubes, and with the short youth stock very easy to handle in a home defense sceanario.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 10, 2022 08:48 PM (lz5hY)

227 "Do you still live close enough to take a crew of cub scouts out some Saturday? They would have a blast!"

That would be fun but my Scouting days are over. Plus they probably would frown on collecting "artifacts".

Posted by: fd at April 10, 2022 08:48 PM (vrz2I)

228 As to triggers: should I test my triggers? You know, put a pull tester on them so I know what "poundage" they are? So I know objectively where the creep/wall/break is?

And thanks for the mention and the info, Weasel.
You da best, man.

Posted by: GWB at April 10, 2022 08:50 PM (D/wPf)

229 AOP, I want to grow up to be you some day.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 10, 2022 08:50 PM (nfrXX)

230 MAE does the Stevens have twin bars or a single one on the pump action.

That is the major difference along with assembly plant location between the Mossberg regular shotguns (two bars) and the Maverick (one bar).

Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 08:51 PM (Iq9dF)

231 bill in AR, thanks for the info.

I've got to have a talk with my friend and gauge just how serious they are about this. I've hinted before that unless they're serious about choosing something they can both use, and both learning how to use and handle it safely and effectively, they're better off with a used aluminum baseball bat and pepper spray.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 10, 2022 08:51 PM (OTzUX)

232 229 As to triggers: should I test my triggers? You know, put a pull tester on them so I know what "poundage" they are? So I know objectively where the creep/wall/break is?

And thanks for the mention and the info, Weasel.
You da best, man.
Posted by: GWB at April 10, 2022 08:50 PM (D/wPf)
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Happy to do it! Let me ask you this - do you feel like there is something too heavy or too light with the triggers?

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 08:52 PM (0IeYL)

233 I saw an ad for an inexpensive green laser with/built into a forward handstop for an AR this week. I was really going to get it... then I realized they had NOTHING for piccatinny or weaver rails. It was ALL M-Lok. I went away sad.

(The least expensive were $99.)

Posted by: GWB at April 10, 2022 08:53 PM (D/wPf)

234 29 As to triggers: should I test my triggers? You know, put a pull tester on them so I know what "poundage" they are? So I know objectively where the creep/wall/break is?

Posted by: GWB at April 10, 2022 08:50 PM (D/wPf)
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Hey - shoot me an email when you have a chance.

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 08:54 PM (0IeYL)

235 Hahaha...yup...Shocked the heck out of me. The guy also had 40 plus mags and 2 extra trigger packs(one SEF and one semi only). I gave the surplus to a dealer friend of mine to find a new home for them as I had enough mags and I put the trigger packs up for spare parts.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy
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Nice pickup. I am reluctant to get into much of the semi auto battle rifle game simply because of cost of feeding them. That roller lock design really can chew up the brass.

I do hear though that Palmetto State Armory is close to opening their own ammo factory making steel cased ammo.

Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 08:54 PM (Iq9dF)

236 You know, put a pull tester on them so I know what "poundage" they are?

Same answer as for a COVID test: no need to unless you're going to do something different based on the results.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 10, 2022 08:54 PM (nfrXX)

237 German Sport Guns produced an MP-5 in .22LR. GSG-something.

Had one for a few months. Never fired it because well reasons. Like this thing was all steel and weighed it, like 8lbs collapsed into an MP-5.

So pretty sure it would fire and fire again no matter the abuse while also being used a wheel chock.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 10, 2022 08:54 PM (i4Gw3)

238 220 I had a typical Mauser 98 sporter brought back by a GI in the early 60s. Not a factory sporter, but a K98 with a pancake cheek piece and schnabel stock. Guy had bought it in the PX while stationed in then W Germany. Evidently they had a little industry going converting surplus. This had double set triggers, which would now be worth more than the gun. Also had claw mounts but no scope when I got it.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 10, 2022 08:56 PM (lz5hY)

239 whig that's interesting about PSA starting up steel-case ammo production.

Sort of related, I see tiny bits of availability (online) returning for powder, but the prices ..... afraid to check my file (I keep all my receipts for this stuff) to see what I paid for an 8-lb'er of HP38 last time, but at PowderValley (out of stock, though they have the 1-lb'ers) they're listed for ..... $231. Even with my memory, I know that's at least 30% more than I last paid. Ouch.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 10, 2022 08:58 PM (OTzUX)

240 Well, time to wander! Great thread and great Weasel Acres report!

Later!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 10, 2022 08:58 PM (5pTK/)

241 This had double set triggers, which would now be worth more than the gun. Also had claw mounts but no scope when I got it.

Posted by: bill in arkansas
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You did well. As you said, the parts alone on them is probably worth a lot of money today. Mauser Double Set trigger sets go high at auction now.

Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 08:59 PM (Iq9dF)

242
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at April 10, 2022 08:58 PM (5pTK/)
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Thanks, Nite blake!

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 08:59 PM (0IeYL)

243 This had double set triggers, which would now be worth more than the gun. Also had claw mounts but no scope when I got it.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 10, 2022 08:56 PM (lz5hY)

Wow....very nice bill in arkansas!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 10, 2022 09:00 PM (R/m4+)

244 Sort of related, I see tiny bits of availability (online) returning for powder, but the prices ..... afraid to check my file (I keep all my receipts for this stuff) to see what I paid for an 8-lb'er of HP38 last time, but at PowderValley (out of stock, though they have the 1-lb'ers) they're listed for ..... $231. Even with my memory, I know that's at least 30% more than I last paid. Ouch.

Posted by: rhomboid
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Some of Hodgdon's newer and greener powders haven't went up as much like their CFE Pistol etc. Problem is that 231 has been around and worked so well for so many different pistols is that I find it is not easily replaced by other powders.

Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 09:01 PM (Iq9dF)

245 MAE does the Stevens have twin bars or a single one on the pump action.

That is the major difference along with assembly plant location between the Mossberg regular shotguns (two bars) and the Maverick (one bar).

Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 08:51 PM (Iq9dF)

Checking...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at April 10, 2022 09:01 PM (eeRB6)

246 Does anyone know for when the 2022 NoVaMoMe is scheduled?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 10, 2022 09:02 PM (XIJ/X)

247 Weasel, do you have headspace gauges or do you leave that to your guy?
My first experience with swapping out a barrel on my own and I realized I needed MOAR TOOLS!

t

Posted by: RI Red at April 10, 2022 09:02 PM (p9Ppz)

248 Nite Blake.

Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 09:03 PM (Iq9dF)

249 'bout that time, folks! ThanX! to All and, yes, a tad envious about the shooting spree at Weasel Acres. For our NoVA folks, I'm gonna be up that way and will be going to the Chantilly Gun Show - Hope to see you all there. Weasel, Thank You for the thread! Later, All

McGyver, Out

Posted by: McGyver at April 10, 2022 09:03 PM (Iw46i)

250 ...at PowderValley (out of stock, though they have the 1-lb'ers) they're listed for ..... $231. Even with my memory, I know that's at least 30% more than I last paid.

I haven't bought that particular powder but around $30/lb sounds about like what I paying for Bullseye and Varget pre-panic.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 10, 2022 09:04 PM (nfrXX)

251 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 10, 2022 09:02 PM (XIJ/X)

June 11.

Posted by: Ed L at April 10, 2022 09:04 PM (NacE+)

252 MAE does the Stevens have twin bars or a single one on the pump action.
...

Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 08:51 PM (Iq9dF)

Dual bars. And it's a slick operating machine.

Easy to operate.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at April 10, 2022 09:05 PM (eeRB6)

253 Posted by: RI Red at April 10, 2022 09:02 PM (p9Ppz)
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I have them, but I leave that to my gunsmith.

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 09:05 PM (0IeYL)

254 RI Red, you can rent headspace gauges and reamers for that matter from 4D Reamers and another outfit that I forget.

Otherwise, I use them for builds in AR's or to check out restorations after barrel work on bolt actions. If you ever go into switch barrels on a Savage, then I would recommend buying them to reset headspace on each barrel after install.

Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 09:05 PM (Iq9dF)

255 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 10, 2022 09:02 PM (XIJ/X)
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Sometime in June I think!

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 09:06 PM (0IeYL)

256 I'm late to all the threads so my apologies. Since this thread is well over 100 comments, I feel safe going off topic. Parsing the book thread I came across 'macaroni' and I need to comment. In Italian we still use maccheroni in a generic sense to mean pasta. By the way a single one is a maccherone - yeah it's masculine. La pasta is feminine. Go figure. Calling someone a maccherone is very, very slightly derogatory (I seem to remember it meaning 'simpleton' but it has been a long time).
End of Italian lesson.

Posted by: Ciampino at April 10, 2022 09:06 PM (qfLjt)

257 Hogmartin: I have a Tikka T3X Super Lite in 300 WinMag. I use it for elk hunting. I like it very much. It kicks a bit since it is a 6 pound rifle in that caliber. But it shoots really well. Tikka uses Sako barrels. The bolt and barrel seem to be high quality and where Tikka put the money. The stock is adequate. Overall it is a very good rifle for the money.

My buddy has the rifle in 6.5 and loves it. It shoots lights out and has minimal recoil. His 14 year old daughter can shoot it with no trouble.

I have no experience with the Howa.

My $0.02

Posted by: MikeCLT at April 10, 2022 09:06 PM (F0XpO)

258 Dual bars. And it's a slick operating machine. Easy to operate.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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Dual bars make for a smoother and less jerky action which is why I asked. Savage has set some really good prices on their 320 then for a dual bar action.

Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 09:07 PM (Iq9dF)

259 Posted by: McGyver at April 10, 2022 09:03 PM (Iw46i)
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nite bro!

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 09:07 PM (0IeYL)

260 As a bona fide survivor of the DMV Moron Gun Club outing to WA, first I apologize for being involved in other things and thus late to the Gun Thread. That said, this last weekend was a fantastic experience for me combining very nice people, a beautiful location, and guns (nota bene: I really did type in "gin" there, but caught it in the proofreading) in all sorts of calibers, and multi-level instruction and coaching across the entire range of the shooting sport.

The other thing I note is that slow deliberate methodological pace adds considerably to the learning experience. Dumping a 30 round magazine sounds like fun, and it is, but observing what you are doing and having experts observing and critique what you are doing (both right and wrong) is invaluable. So in addition to having fun, I learned a lot this weekend!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~every book has been totally rewritten ~ at April 10, 2022 09:07 PM (hOUT3)

261 whig fortunately 2013 skeered me real good and I sort of stocked up on components, so no issues for some time to come at current rates of consumption. I did some "substitute" powder buys back during that panic, just to add some depth to my stocks. 700-X was one. After playing around with it I'm only really happy with it in, of all weird combos, 380ACP and 45 Colt.

I found many many references online to people using/loving it in 45ACP, but for me it was far less desirable than my standard (HP3

or even other powders I've used for that caliber (Silhouette, N340, a Spanish powder that loads like Universal known here as CSB-5). I might be misremembering some these details.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 10, 2022 09:07 PM (OTzUX)

262 CBD, you should know better than to tease Bluebell.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 10, 2022 09:08 PM (Y+l9t)

263 My first experience with swapping out a barrel on my own and I realized I needed MOAR TOOLS!

I'm in that same boat -- needing things that, once I'm done with them, I likely won't need again for a long time. My plan was to offer to lend them out here for the cost of shipping.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 10, 2022 09:09 PM (nfrXX)

264 That is the major difference along with assembly plant location between the Mossberg regular shotguns (two bars) and the Maverick (one bar).
Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 08:51 PM (Iq9dF)

Current Maverick 88s have dual action bars.

Posted by: hogmartin at April 10, 2022 09:09 PM (P4LRL)

265
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~every book has been totally rewritten ~ at April 10, 2022 09:07 PM (hOUT3)
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Very happy to have had the chance to do some shooting together!

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 09:10 PM (0IeYL)

266 Calling someone a maccherone is very, very slightly derogatory (I seem to remember it meaning 'simpleton' but it has been a long time).
End of Italian lesson.

Posted by: Ciampino
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To tie your comment into the gun thread, remember folks, you cannot shoot someone claiming self defense from a verbal assault containing the hate speech example of calling you a 'maccherone'.

Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 09:10 PM (Iq9dF)

267 Thanks, Weasel and Whig. I'm trying to upgrade my smithy skills and was surprised at how easy it was mechanically to swap out a barrel.
I'm almost ready to start on an AR build and I figure I'll need gauges at some point.
An investment in the future, as it were.

Posted by: RI Red at April 10, 2022 09:10 PM (p9Ppz)

268 Current Maverick 88s have dual action bars.

Posted by: hogmartin
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Nice to know. Haven't looked at a shottie on the shelf in several years.

Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 09:11 PM (Iq9dF)

269 Very envious of the DMV club getting down to WA to empty brass.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 10, 2022 09:11 PM (OTzUX)

270 Trying to steer them to a long gun for several reasons.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 10, 2022 08:00 PM (OTzUX)

Have you considered a Shockwave in 20ga? I've been pondering one for a while (but they are more often out of stock than the 12ga).

Posted by: GWB at April 10, 2022 09:11 PM (D/wPf)

271 For my legendary some-day AR I have always figured I'd have a gunsmith check it over for function and safety before shooting it. And likely will get barrel/bolt from same outfit, so they're headspaced properly without needing my own gauges to check.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 10, 2022 09:12 PM (OTzUX)

272 Bugging out from central Florida by car works only for early birds. Roads clog. Boat or airplane might work if you owned one. Of course, you might "borrow" one...

Yeah, I can fly.

Posted by: JM in Florida at April 10, 2022 09:15 PM (L7jyl)

273 You can make a firearm out of bamboo, rope, and rocks ya know.
Posted by: fd at April 10, 2022 08:07 PM (vrz2I)

And you can load it with giant diamonds you just find lying around on the surface, too!

Posted by: GWB at April 10, 2022 09:15 PM (D/wPf)

274 GWB, thanks for idea, will check out the Shockwave.

I'm a pretty bad gun customer, I don't keep up at all with new releases or the latest teen crazes. Chief value I have for my friends is just gun sense/common sense about the fundamentals (of why to own, broadly what to own, need for training and practice).

Posted by: rhomboid at April 10, 2022 09:15 PM (OTzUX)

275 Got some range time in yesterday with my oldest kiddo - first time shooting at the Marriotsville range here in MD - nice enough range, plenty of room. Really just plinked with my scoped Ruger 10/22, but hadn't fired it since around 2010. Enjoyable outing - first time shooting at this range, but only 10 min from the house, so not too bad of a location.

Posted by: MD_Mike at April 10, 2022 09:16 PM (/A6g2)

276 I bought a Colt AR9mm PCC 3 years ago for $800 and I love it. 32 round stick magazines and it never jams.

Just priced it out on gun broker and those things are selling for $1,800 now.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at April 10, 2022 08:10 PM (bVYXr)

I'm still hoping to build an AR45. Those barrels and uppers are MUCH harder to find than 9mm, though.

Posted by: GWB at April 10, 2022 09:17 PM (D/wPf)

277 Posted by: MD_Mike at April 10, 2022 09:16 PM (/A6g2)
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Thanks MD_Mike!

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 09:17 PM (0IeYL)

278 I'm trying to upgrade my smithy skills and was surprised at how easy it was mechanically to swap out a barrel. I'm almost ready to start on an AR build and I figure I'll need gauges at some point. An investment in the future, as it were. Posted by: RI Red
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AR barrels are easy peasy with the right tools. The major risk is overtorqueing the barrel on install which can break the aluminum lower. No reason to do so as the torque range on an AR 15 starts at 30 ft lbs and to about 70 or so. LR308's and AR10s, need to torque toward the high end of the regular AR range.

I use gauges on AR type builds mainly to confirm that tolerance drift has not occurred between the bolt and barrel and you do not need the field gauge for that. So go and no go set only but don't mix brands of headspace gauges. Not going to talk much about field gauges but those are for checking used rifles and prudent judgment. Almost all practical use for most people is the go/no go set.

If you buy the barrel and bolt from the same supplier on an AR build, you can often get them on purchase to make sure that the bolt and barrel are within specs on headspace before you build.

Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 09:18 PM (Iq9dF)

279 Thoughts on a travel gun:
Being land-locked by CT and NY, I've always thought that an innocent little Ruger 10-22 break-down in the trunk would not be looked at askance. Keep ammo and mags locked up and there's not too much explanation needed for the Stasi.

And .22 can still be a deterrent, as well as a squirrel gun.

Posted by: RI Red at April 10, 2022 09:18 PM (p9Ppz)

280 If the SHTF, I won't bug out. Two dogs and an ailing spouse don't cut it

Posted by: JM in Florida at April 10, 2022 09:19 PM (L7jyl)

281 Talk of bugging out by air reminds me of this really cool little set of houses I once cruised by on MD's eastern shore, can't recall where, of course. 1990s?

3 or 4 houses, of course with substantial property, on either side of a grass strip that ended at the bay shoreline. "Garages" for a few Cessnas/etc next to the car garages.

Remember thinking "THAT is a sweet set-up".

Posted by: rhomboid at April 10, 2022 09:19 PM (OTzUX)

282 OK, 9:20 Thank You time!

Thank you!!

I appreciate each and every one of you here tonight. Y'all are the best! And thanks again to the Moron Gun Club for a great weekend!

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 09:21 PM (0IeYL)

283 272 For my legendary some-day AR I have always figured I'd have a gunsmith check it over for function and safety before shooting it. And likely will get barrel/bolt from same outfit, so they're headspaced properly without needing my own gauges to check.

Posted by: rhomboid
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Less hassle that way. Right now, AR builds are about as cheap as they are likely to be in the near future.

If you only build the lower and buy the upper assembled with the bolt control group (bcg), then it should already be in headspace. Lowers are a piece of cake to put together with very minimal tools required and I recommend CMG lower parts kits which puts parts groups in different colored packages to avoid confusion.

Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 09:21 PM (Iq9dF)

284 Thank you, Weasel!
Hopefully I can shoot with y'all next time you're in WA

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at April 10, 2022 09:22 PM (eeRB6)

285 267 Calling someone a maccherone is very, very slightly derogatory (I seem to remember it meaning 'simpleton' but it has been a long time).
End of Italian lesson.

Posted by: Ciampino
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To tie your comment into the gun thread, remember folks, you cannot shoot someone claiming self defense from a verbal assault containing the hate speech example of calling you a 'maccherone'.
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However inner-city minorities get easily offended, hence many get deaded. Could one successfully diss such a thin-skinned person by calling it a Will-Smith?

Posted by: Ciampino at April 10, 2022 09:22 PM (qfLjt)

286 Whig, are go/no-go gauges caliber-specific?

Posted by: RI Red at April 10, 2022 09:22 PM (p9Ppz)

287 285 Thank you, Weasel!
Hopefully I can shoot with y'all next time you're in WA
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at April 10, 2022 09:22 PM (eeRB6)
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Count on it!

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 09:22 PM (0IeYL)

288 3 or 4 houses, of course with substantial property, on either side of a grass strip that ended at the bay shoreline. "Garages" for a few Cessnas/etc next to the car garages.

Remember thinking "THAT is a sweet set-up".

Posted by: rhomboid at April 10, 2022 09:19 PM (OTzUX)

Our property in Florida has an "airport" next door. It's a grass strip. I don't have a plane and can't fly one so not of mush use to me right now.

But why would one bug out of Florida? Yeah, I know, hurricanes. But our Florida property IS our bug out location.

Posted by: blaster at April 10, 2022 09:22 PM (9otr5)

289 189 Ladyl, both Weasel and Geoff got hats!
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 10, 2022 08:28 PM (Y+l9t)

That's great!

Posted by: Ladyl at April 10, 2022 09:23 PM (+4oV5)

290 RI Red that's another great suggestion. A breakdown 10-22 makes a lot of sense. These folks may be trailer camping gawd knows where over a few years, and a coyote-swatter and general nuisance plinker could come in handy (they'll have pets with them). And with that platform, all issues of recoil or really much need for training and lots of practice go away. Yet, still much better than a nasty letter or sharp word if dealing with 2-legged varmints.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 10, 2022 09:23 PM (OTzUX)

291 Remember thinking "THAT is a sweet set-up".

I once knew an ex-USAF guy (spouse of a coworker) who lived in a place like that. They had automated traffic lights to stop cars that turned on when you squawked a particular radio frequency.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 10, 2022 09:23 PM (nfrXX)

292 Sold back a couple of AKs to a local gun shop for $2800 last week. Just trying to simplify my storage and ammo requirements and cut down on my cleaning regimen.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at April 10, 2022 09:23 PM (OeBYn)

293 Does anyone know for when the 2022 NoVaMoMe is scheduled?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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First I've heard of it.

:-)

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 10, 2022 09:24 PM (WZ5i4)

294
I know how to remedy that!
Posted by: bluebell - NoVaMoMe 2022! at April 10, 2022 08:25 PM (wyw4S)

Bluebell! How are you dahlin?

Posted by: Ladyl at April 10, 2022 09:24 PM (+4oV5)

295 Thanks, Weasel! See you next week!

Posted by: Ed L at April 10, 2022 09:24 PM (NacE+)

296 Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at April 10, 2022 09:23 PM (OeBYn)
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Howdy VTK!

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 09:25 PM (0IeYL)

297 That is another point in favor of single or double barrel break opens as easy to load or empty.
Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 08:33 PM (Iq9dF)

Also another point in favor of any magazine-fed weapon. (I know, for this discussion it wouldn't be the right choice.)

Posted by: GWB at April 10, 2022 09:25 PM (D/wPf)

298 Does anyone know for when the 2022 NoVaMoMe is scheduled?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

No one's mentioned it yet.

Posted by: Tonypete at April 10, 2022 09:25 PM (Msys3)

299 296 Thanks, Weasel! See you next week!
Posted by: Ed L at April 10, 2022 09:24 PM (NacE+)
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OK!

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 09:26 PM (0IeYL)

300 Thanks whig. Fortunately one of the ROs on my crew is a retired machinist/aviation mechanic of distinguished vintage, who does work on guns I would never dream of trying. His advice (and tools!) will make things even easier.

I did research the whole thing a few years back (and fortunately bought a couple of receivers and a few other components), and figured even the upper assembly would be within my modest/very much NOT Alberta Oil Peon-level wheelhouse .....

Posted by: rhomboid at April 10, 2022 09:26 PM (OTzUX)

301 RI Red - to your question, yes.

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 09:26 PM (0IeYL)

302 Does anyone know for when the 2022 NoVaMoMe is scheduled?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

Should be sometime this year.

Posted by: blaster at April 10, 2022 09:26 PM (9otr5)

303 are go/no-go gauges caliber-specific?

For the most part yes. But some cartridges that are the same except for neck diameter can share gauges. For example, I think .308 Win, .243 Win an .358 Win can all use the same gauge.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 10, 2022 09:28 PM (nfrXX)

304 My only requirement is that they be smooth with not much if any creep

Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 10, 2022 08:41 PM (Xrfse)

Sounds like some women's ideal date....

Posted by: GWB at April 10, 2022 09:28 PM (D/wPf)

305 Rhomboid, going further on that and tying into recent discussions, a breakdown 10-22 with a red-dot or laser, would be my choice.
No need for pricey optics if your intended recipient is within 50-100 yds.

Posted by: RI Red at April 10, 2022 09:28 PM (p9Ppz)

306 Also after you go shooting you have to buy ammo. Replenish stock. Bought 300 rounds of 9mm from PSA for post WA.

Need some shotgun shells too.

Posted by: blaster at April 10, 2022 09:28 PM (9otr5)

307 Posted by: blaster at April 10, 2022 09:28 PM (9otr5)
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Smart man!

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 09:29 PM (0IeYL)

308 287 Whig, are go/no-go gauges caliber-specific?

Posted by: RI Red
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Absolutely but sometimes if the only change is necking down a cartridge, then you can sometimes use the same headspace gauge (the mfg will tell you that) like a 7x57 Mauser gauge set also works for the 257 Roberts and the 6.5-257 Roberts wildcat because the reference spot on the case neck is the same for all those cartridges to the bolt head. Rimmed and semi rimmed cases get a little weird as theoretically chamber does not matter so a coin type gauge works but that may not help on reloading the brass or avoiding head separations (the rim seals the firing chamber). So better rimmed gauges will have the body of the cartridge along with the rim.

I think that a French company makes a very expensive headspace gauge system that is universal but not imported here afaik.

Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 09:29 PM (Iq9dF)

309 Weasel, Thank You for another fun gun and organic tree farming thread.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 10, 2022 09:29 PM (qiGrE)

310 Posted by: Ben Had at April 10, 2022 09:29 PM (qiGrE)
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Thanks for tuning in!

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 09:30 PM (0IeYL)

311 Oddbob, love that (the air strip with the interactive traffic lights). I heard tell Gibraltar has that arrangement at their airport (controlled by the tower).

Tragically my means do not permit acquiring the property with both the dock, and small private airstrip, in a perfect climate, that seems like something I would enjoy.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 10, 2022 09:30 PM (OTzUX)

312 Also another point in favor of any magazine-fed weapon. (I know, for this discussion it wouldn't be the right choice.)

Posted by: GWB
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Yes and why an AR (or I guess an AK) pistol is actually quite useful sdw for trips. Easy to separate but as a pistol in most states, does not require removal of magazine.

Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 09:31 PM (Iq9dF)

313 Does anyone know for when the 2022 NoVaMoMe is scheduled?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

What? There's a NoVAMoMe this year, I thought it was only held on alternate years.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~every book has been totally rewritten ~ at April 10, 2022 09:31 PM (hOUT3)

314 Maybe join the DMV Moron Gun Club?
Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 08:46 PM (0IeYL)

That's a wee bit of a drive, from bad traffic into HORRID traffic, from down southeast way.

Also, there's walls to tear out, bathtubs to replace, trenches to dig, trees to chop down (WAY too small a yard to use the Weasel method - neighbors would definitely complain), etc....

Posted by: GWB at April 10, 2022 09:32 PM (D/wPf)

315 June 11.

Posted by: Ed L at April 10, 2022 09:04 PM (NacE+)

I'm sort of joking!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 10, 2022 09:32 PM (XIJ/X)

316 *counts guns*
*notes calibers*
*researches commonality*
*examines bank account*

Ach, scheisse!

Posted by: RI Red at April 10, 2022 09:33 PM (p9Ppz)

317 OK, 9:20 Thank You time!

Thank you, weasel and thank you, Horde. I've noticed that lately all the non-political special interest threads seem to be running around 300+/- comments. Maybe since it's Spring, folks are finding other things that need doing on the weekends.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 10, 2022 09:33 PM (nfrXX)

318 I'm still hoping to build an AR45. Those barrels and uppers are MUCH harder to find than 9mm, though.
Posted by: GWB at April 10, 2022 09:17 PM (D/wPf)

I just assembled one using this parts kit from Foxtrot Mike (via Brownells, use coupon code TAG for $15 off)

https://bityl.co/Bik5

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 10, 2022 09:33 PM (yQpMk)

319

and this upper from AR15Discounts

https://bityl.co/Bik8

I had a carbine buttstock, trigger group and safety, and barrel nut and handguard already.

I lucked out and got the upper receiver for $49.95 on sale. I considered opening up the ejection port on an upper I already had but decided against it.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 10, 2022 09:33 PM (yQpMk)

320 No one's mentioned it yet.

Posted by: Tonypete at April 10, 2022 09:25 PM (Msys3)

Yeah...Weasel is keeping it pretty close to the vest.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 10, 2022 09:34 PM (XIJ/X)

321 240

Sort of related, I see tiny bits of availability (online) returning for powder, but the prices ..... afraid to check my file (I keep all my receipts for this stuff) to see what I paid for an 8-lb'er of HP38 last time, but at PowderValley (out of stock, though they have the 1-lb'ers) they're listed for ..... $231. Even with my memory, I know that's at least 30% more than I last paid. Ouch.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 10, 2022 08:58 PM (OTzUX)

"Ouch" indeed! I just checked and I have an 8 lb. jug of Bullseye I bought in November 2018 with the price tag still on it for $130.35.

I'm seeing powder come and go in local retail stores for somewhat inflated prices. I picked up a pound of rifle powder, AA-2230, for $31 last week. I haven't seen primers locally since mid-2020. Fortunately, I stocked up in the Before Times when they were available.

Posted by: a.moron at April 10, 2022 09:36 PM (F6Xpw)

322 RI Red you just keep making more and more sense (the red-dot idea). Personally I recoil from anything involving this magical thing called electrical power, which I find mysterious and frightening. Also, black plastic - high carbon steel and walnut or arctic birch for me. But a 10-22 with a red dot is a perfect point-and-shoot tool for non-gunnies.

I remember as a kid there was a minor league hockey team, the Providence Reds, occasionally the local minor league team would play them (there, or here). Your name always reminds me of that. .

Posted by: rhomboid at April 10, 2022 09:36 PM (OTzUX)

323 Let me ask you this - do you feel like there is something too heavy or too light with the triggers?
Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 08:52 PM (0IeYL)

At this point, I'm positive MY shooting would benefit much more from practice than from swapping out triggers. But I see a LOT of ads for them from various gun companies. And on the gun sites. And I was wondering how I might go about knowing (once I've got some consistency in my shooting) whether it might make a difference.

I think one thing I should do is go to the range with someone really knowledgeable to critique me (or lessons). (I did just get a membership at an indoor range, and shooting every two weeks it will pay for itself. So I gotta get going.)

Posted by: GWB at April 10, 2022 09:36 PM (D/wPf)

324 no need to unless you're going to do something different based on the results.
Posted by: Oddbob at April 10, 2022 08:54 PM (nfrXX)

Excellent point.

Posted by: GWB at April 10, 2022 09:37 PM (D/wPf)

325 In practical terms, Enfields and Krags are the most likely rimmed cartridge that you will find and the same coin headspace gauges work for both. In fact, if you have someone to rebarrel one with a custom barrel, people do shoot the .303-30 wildcat in No. 4 Enfields.

The major pita for headspace gauges is that you have to remove the extractor and ejector in order to get an accurate measure. That means for an AR system at least, buying the bolt disassembly tool and some punches. For bolt rifles, you need to strip the bolt for headspace measurement and have a perfectly clean action and chamber.

Military had some headspace gauges made where they were pre-cut to allow not removing the ejectors from bolts when testing headspace.

Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 09:37 PM (Iq9dF)

326 If the Tikka and or Sako isn't already in the US don't count on getting one. My contact in Finland says their production facilities are "focusing on domestic needs."

You don't need to be an intelligence analyst to decipher that phrase.

Posted by: Stretch at April 10, 2022 09:38 PM (HZfX6)

327 But a 10-22 with a red dot is a perfect point-and-shoot tool for non-gunnies.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 10, 2022 09:36 PM (OTzUX)

I have one, and it is surprisingly accurate and very quick to target.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 10, 2022 09:38 PM (XIJ/X)

328 Posted by: GWB at April 10, 2022 09:32 PM (D/wPf)
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Well maybe someday!

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 09:39 PM (0IeYL)

329 Thanks weasel and other commenters. Late but here.

Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 09:39 PM (Iq9dF)

330
Yeah...Weasel is keeping it pretty close to the vest.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 10, 2022 09:34 PM (XIJ/X)
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It is the Way of the Weasel

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 09:39 PM (0IeYL)

331 a.moron I assume the usual pattern will be followed. First availability returns, then prices ease. Though we haven't had potential hyper-inflation as a background to the last few panics/recoveries.

Of course with gasoline at well above the price I've ever paid in my life (in real dollars), I have to view component prices in "flexible" terms, I suppose.

In any case not buying for some time, so academic.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 10, 2022 09:40 PM (OTzUX)

332 Posted by: Oddbob at April 10, 2022 09:33 PM (nfrXX)
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My pleasure, Ob!

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 09:40 PM (0IeYL)

333 Just saying hi and thanks for being here, y'all. Loved the Moron Gun (& Gin) Club report. No, I'm not jealous at all, why do you ask? Just remember, guns first then gin!

Posted by: screaming in digital at April 10, 2022 09:41 PM (kTRt4)

334 Rhomboid, my mom was from Providence, my dad from Worcester. When I finished up flying for Uncle Sam, I chose University of RI, just because, never intending to stay there.
30 years later we un-assed to NH.
So, I remember all the local/farm teams. Like the Pawtucket Red Sox. $5.00 tickets and you could see the pros going up and down from Fenway.

Posted by: RI Red at April 10, 2022 09:41 PM (p9Ppz)

335 I've noticed that lately all the non-political special interest threads seem to be running around 300+/- comments. Maybe since it's Spring, folks are finding other things that need doing on the weekends.
Posted by: Oddbob at April 10, 2022 09:33 PM (nfrXX)
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It could also be everyone has figured out that I'm full of shit.

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 09:42 PM (0IeYL)

336 Thanks weasel and other commenters. Late but here.
Posted by: whig

whig, not to sound like a suck-up, but I consider you one of the A-list sources here, right along with Weasel and Jim SND. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 10, 2022 09:43 PM (nfrXX)

337 Posted by: screaming in digital at April 10, 2022 09:41 PM (kTRt4)
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Howdy SiD! I owe you an email.

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 09:44 PM (0IeYL)

338 whig I have a coin-type gauge for 54R, for Mosins. Though I think the world awaits the first actual instance of any Mosin bolt not working fine with any Mosin rifle. At least on the anecdotal, recreational level.

Still recall before I was an RO at my range, one day setting up to shoot what might have been my first Mosin, and discovering ..... oops, didn't bring the bolt with me.

Guy at the next bench was shooting an M44. When he switched to another kind of rifle, I asked if I could borrow his bolt. Worked fine. Day at the range saved!

Posted by: rhomboid at April 10, 2022 09:44 PM (OTzUX)

339 322.....

Small rifle military primers (CCI #41) are available in the SE MN area for around $80 per 1000 primers.

Posted by: PacosMojo at April 10, 2022 09:45 PM (7VOVZ)

340 Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 09:39 PM (Iq9dF)
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Always a pleasure, whig.

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 09:45 PM (0IeYL)

341 Yeah, OB, I keep trying to imagine what whig does in real life. That knowledge is not from reading up on a subject.

Posted by: RI Red at April 10, 2022 09:46 PM (p9Ppz)

342 Ach, scheisse!

Posted by: RI Red
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If you want to check existing rifles, you can do chamber casting and it will give you headspace, throat and chamber condition, etc.

And the Cerrosafe is reusable time and time again. It is an alloy that shrinks slightly on cooling so as to be removed from the chamber and melts at about 160-170 F. It shrinks at a specific known rate and thus the chamber cast can give you all the goodies on your chamber with a caliper and/or micrometer readings of the cast after you get it out of the chamber.

For the most part aside from match firearms, headspace is only somewhat related to accuracy and throat condition actually matters more. Hatcher's Notebook available for free online, has an interesting chapter on it and documents actual experiments with a 1917 Enfield where they kept reaming out the chamber for greater and greater headspace while shooting for accuracy.

Headspace is more of a safety issue where a cartridge separation can occur with gas sent back to the shooter and into the action and secondarily how long your brass will last.

Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 09:46 PM (Iq9dF)

343 Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 10, 2022 09:33 PM (yQpMk)

Oooh, thank you, Grumps!

Posted by: GWB at April 10, 2022 09:47 PM (D/wPf)

344 Posted by: screaming in digital at April 10, 2022 09:41 PM (kTRt4)

Evening, {{{SiD}}}! Yes, always important to put away the dangerous things before beer-thirty.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at April 10, 2022 09:48 PM (v23vE)

345 Nah, Weasel, full of s**t thee are not.

Besides, your signature exclamation - "Holy Shitballs!" - all by itself marks a contribution to (our collapsing) western civilization.

And whig is clearly an encyclopedia of gun knowledge (and other kinds). Helps make this the best non-gun-forum gun thread around.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 10, 2022 09:48 PM (OTzUX)

346 Posted by: rhomboid at April 10, 2022 09:48 PM (OTzUX)
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Thanks amigo. As you point out, it's really all of the great commenters we have here that makes it fun!

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 09:50 PM (0IeYL)

347 Guy at the next bench was shooting an M44. When he switched to another kind of rifle, I asked if I could borrow his bolt. Worked fine. Day at the range saved!

Posted by: rhomboid
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Given this forum has all sorts of viewers, not going to go into it but headspace is a widely misunderstood issue in the shooting world and second, rimmed cartridges have additional safety from that rim sealing the chamber so that cartridge separations direct the gas forward instead of backward toward the shooter. That is good in the Mosin case as it lacks other safety mechanisms.

If I had to shoot in a life or death old rickety firearm uninspected and had a choice of a Krag, Springfield 03, Mauser, Enfield, or Mosin, I would pick the Enfield. The Brits did it right with gas escape holes in the receiver, a rimmed cartridge, use of nickel steel well before any other country used it, and its generous chambers made for reliable firing with even gross green corroded ammo. It has a safety margin

Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 09:50 PM (Iq9dF)

348 $80/1K primers is a low price, by post March 2020 standards. At least a non-insane one.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 10, 2022 09:51 PM (OTzUX)

349 Howdy SiD! I owe you an email.
Posted by: Weasel
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*looks at watch*
*taps foot*

j/k, no rush on anything that I know of!

Posted by: screaming in digital at April 10, 2022 09:51 PM (kTRt4)

350 Hatcher's Notebook being downloaded now, whig.
Damn, I love this place. Cerrosafe, Cerrocoat, it's all good!

Posted by: RI Red at April 10, 2022 09:51 PM (p9Ppz)

351 Weasel, thanks for the great shit!

I've learned a bunch here.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 10, 2022 09:52 PM (qFkYf)

352 Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 10, 2022 09:52 PM (qFkYf)
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Ha! Happy to do it!

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 09:52 PM (0IeYL)

353 whig interesting stuff on the Enfield.

And headspace is indeed one of those things that I have to relearn or at least review every time I have to deal with it (which isn't often, of course).

Posted by: rhomboid at April 10, 2022 09:53 PM (OTzUX)

354 Aw shucks folks, I learn from y'all too and I am sure that most of you are crack shots which I am not. The nice thing about shooting old firearms as you always have an alibi.

Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 09:54 PM (Iq9dF)

355 G'nite all. Thanks, Weasel!

Posted by: JM in Florida at April 10, 2022 09:56 PM (L7jyl)

356 "Does anyone know for when the 2022 NoVaMoMe is scheduled?"

just be careful, the official date has to be run through the cracker jack decoder ring (enhanced with the true code via AoS interweb) ... to deceive the FBI that is setting up a sting.

Those that show up on the advertised date will be in the company of a dozen FBI fibbers. (or so I hear ... )

Posted by: illiniwek at April 10, 2022 09:56 PM (Cus5s)

357 351 Hatcher's Notebook being downloaded now, whig.
Damn, I love this place. Cerrosafe, Cerrocoat, it's all good!

Posted by: RI Red
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You will like it. Full of stories and Hatcher saw the elephant as it were.

Hatcher's Book of the Garand is also quite good but alas still under copyright but somewhat cheap anyway.

Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 09:56 PM (Iq9dF)

358 So, going back to .22 headspace:
Not going to blow up in my face, because rimmed.
If I want it to extract from a match chamber, gonna need a better claw.

That info just paid for my cardboard membership here.

Posted by: RI Red at April 10, 2022 09:56 PM (p9Ppz)

359 Posted by: JM in Florida at April 10, 2022 09:56 PM (L7jyl)
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Goodnite!!

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 09:57 PM (0IeYL)

360 I'm out as well. Thanks Weasel and Gub Horde!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at April 10, 2022 09:58 PM (v23vE)

361 And headspace is indeed one of those things that I have to relearn or at least review every time I have to deal with it (which isn't often, of course). Posted by: rhomboid

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SAAMI has an excellent discussion of headspace with proper diagrams of how to measure it. They also have reference materials available for free for all SAAMI approved cartridges including their specifications and drawings of the cartridge. Well recommended. saami.org

Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 09:59 PM (Iq9dF)

362 Weasel, remarkable place you have here.
It has cost me many quatloos, though.
Goodnight, brother.

Posted by: RI Red at April 10, 2022 09:59 PM (p9Ppz)

363 OK, ONT is up, y'all!
Enjoy the rest of your evening and have a great week. Hope to see you all back here next Sunday!

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 10:00 PM (0IeYL)

364 Posted by: RI Red at April 10, 2022 09:59 PM (p9Ppz)
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Thanks bro!

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 10:01 PM (0IeYL)

365 Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at April 10, 2022 09:58 PM (v23vE)
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Nite S'puppy!

Posted by: Weasel at April 10, 2022 10:03 PM (0IeYL)

366 359 So, going back to .22 headspace:
Not going to blow up in my face, because rimmed.
If I want it to extract from a match chamber, gonna need a better claw. That info just paid for my cardboard membership here.

Posted by: RI Red
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RI Red, I would try changing ammo if you can first.

Brass recipes vary a bit and case expansion can as well due to hotter or lighter loads and differences in the brass alloy composition of the case.

From memory, I think there are actually two different .22 LR chambers floating around--one is a sporter and the other is a match. The match is tighter obviously and has some problems with hi velocity ammo like Aguila or CCI stingers among others.

Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 10:04 PM (Iq9dF)

367 Goodnight folks.

Posted by: whig at April 10, 2022 10:04 PM (Iq9dF)

368 ONT's not working for me.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 10, 2022 10:17 PM (iam1O)

369 Good n8, Whig!

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math ~~Queen~~ King of Greenland, the Merciless (don't/stop/believin') at April 10, 2022 10:45 PM (rF64X)

370 Thanks for the ONT, Weasel!

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math ~~Queen~~ King of Greenland, the Merciless (don't/stop/believin') at April 10, 2022 10:45 PM (rF64X)

371 Honest Weasel, I've been meaning to go to the range but justifying the expense was really hard, so I did what any recoil junky would do, I bought a lightly used Ruger Super Blackhawk in 44 Mag with a 10" barrel for my birthday forcing my hand. I've wanted one for years and when I saw it in the gun case I knew it was coming home with me. Now trying to figure out if I can take out a small loan for a box of 50 that is going to eat almost $75, twice what I last spent on a box, sigh. Oh well, I understand why they say 'you can't take it with you' now. I will of course provide a range report, with pictures, swearsies!

Posted by: Gmac - WTF did you think was going to happen? at April 11, 2022 04:51 AM (/CoS6)

372 Posted by: Gmac - WTF did you think was going to happen? at April 11, 2022 04:51 AM (/CoS6)
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Nice! Congratulations!! Send pics!

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2022 06:20 AM (0IeYL)

373 Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen King of Greenland, the Merciless (don't/stop/believin') at April 10, 2022 10:45 PM (rF64X)
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Howdy Chique!

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2022 06:21 AM (0IeYL)

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