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Saturday Evening Movie Thread - 4/9/2022 [TheJamesMadison]

Akira Kurosawa


There are few names in cinema more intimately associated with the medium than that of Akira Kurosawa. A painter by trade, he rose through the Japanese film industry to the rank of director in the middle of the Second World War where he had to balance between commercial, artistic, and imperial interests. He learned his trade as an associate director, getting his first directorial assignment in 1943 with Sanshira Sugata, a film about judo and based on a Japanese novel of the same name.

He went on to direct a total of thirty feature films including some of the most influential films ever made like Seven Samurai, Yojimbo, and The Hidden Fortress. Outside of these are a host of great films that go beyond influence and just exist as great art that will stand the test of time like Ikiru (my personal favorite), Throne of Blood, Rashomon, and Ran.

He was one of the absolute titans of cinema. In another hundred years his films will still be remembered, and deservedly so. He was one of the most intelligent and visual filmmakers, able to transpose works from all over the world to a Japanese idiom that never felt out of place, using everything from contemporary Japanese mores to ancient Japanese forms like Noh to tell the stories of Shakespeare, Dostoevsky, Hammett, and Gogol, adapted to another culture's filmic medium.

Commerce vs. Art


Like almost anyone who works in the movies, Kurosawa had to balance the major concerns of art and commerce throughout his career (he also had to deal with a couple of different types of censorship in his first decade or so). The way this usually manifests with filmmakers is the attitude of making "one for them" and then "one for me". The "them" movies tend to be broader in appeal, working within popular genres with popular actors that help get butts into seats. The "me" movies tend to be smaller, outside of genre, and can skip over the use of popular actors. John Ford's Wagon Master is a good example of the latter while the Cavalry Trilogy is a good example of the former.

With Kurosawa, his interests were actually quite varied, and he encountered enough success early, even from his very first film, the judo-themed Sanshiro Sugata, that he was able to more easily choose his projects as he wanted. If he wanted to make a three-and-a-half-hour samurai epic that ends with most of the titular characters dead in Seven Samurai, he can do it. If he wants to make a five-hour adaptation of Fyodor Dostoevsky's The Idiot, then, well, he can at least get the funding (the studio forced him to cut the length in half when it came time to release it).

The starkest movement from "me" to "them" pictures was between The Lower Depths and The Hidden Fortress. Most people know the latter to be one of the largest influences on George Lucas when he wrote Star Wars, and it's easy to see why. It's pure entertainment about an aged general who must protect an endangered princess as they pass through enemy territory, and yet, it was a purely reactive piece of storytelling from Kurosawa. His previous film, The Lower Depths, an adaptation of a Maxim Gorky play of the same name that starred the Japanese star Toshiro Mifune, was a commercial disappointment. The look at poverty in the Tokyo slums was partially an experiment on Kurosawa's part to bring the theatrical experience to cinemas by using multiple cameras at once to create the loose in feel, yet incredibly precise in execution, performances of his actors across the entirety of the play. Kurosawa was trying to expand the cinematic artform in the direction of the theatrical play, and it works from an artistic point of view. It is by no means an artistic failure, and yet, not nearly enough people cared at the time. He had to come back with something that would sell tickets, so he threw together a script about a fighting princess.

Art


For at least two decades, it feels like Kurosawa was finding a very comfortable combination of commerce and art, and the height of that is probably Throne of Blood, his adaptation of Macbeth starring (of course) Toshiro Mifune. This wasn't just an adaptation of a great piece of English literature adapted into a Japanese form, it was also Kurosawa very consciously using the Japanese theatrical form of Noh in cinema. Noh and Kabuki had been present in Japanese cinema since the inception of the country's entry into the medium in the early silent period, but audiences had, much like in most other markets, grown accustomed to the more straightforward storytelling mechanics of a realistic approach. Classical and formalistic approaches are things that filmmakers often try to revive (think Francis Ford Coppola's One From the Heart), but very few meet any kind of sustained success while doing it (Federico Fellini did). And that's exactly what Kurosawa was striving for in Throne of Blood.

There isn't a realistic thing in the whole movie. Mostly filmed on sets, the costumes are all exaggerated, the makeup is all highly pronounced, and the performances are all elevated almost to the point of parody. And yet, not only does it work on an artistic level, but it was also a large financial success, bringing in more money for Toho Studios than any other movie it released that year. Why? Why would the unrealistic portrayal in Throne of Blood meet great success while The Lower Depths did not?

If I were to hazard a guess, it has to do with audience expectations. The movement across time, like transporting audiences back to the medieval period of Japan's past, is the kind of jump in the suspension of disbelief that more naturally allows for other jumps. So, adopting the stylings of Noh to the medieval setting feels natural. On the other hand, The Lower Depths is more outright an experiment with less to offer broader audiences. It's not that audiences cared about the bringing of Noh to cinema but that the experiment there helped to enhance an experience audiences were already interested in. When it came to The Lower Depths, they simply didn't want to see a movie about poor people dying in slums, no matter the experiment.

I also think it points to Kurosawa's curious lack of business sense.

Post-Red Beard Commerce


By 1960, Kurosawa was powerful in the Japanese film industry, and to gain more power he started co-financing his own films along with Toho Studios. That ended with the two-year production of Red Beard, a protracted process brought on by Kurosawa's insistence on perfectionism in the physical production where an entire 19th century village was built with era-appropriate materials, the outside of which you see on screen for less than a tenth of the runtime. The movie could have been filmed on studio sets at Toho and it wouldn't have made a visual difference to the audience. The production turned so many people against him, including his star Toshiro Mifune who never worked for him again, and after an ill-fated stint in Hollywood where he was supposed to direct the Japanese segments of Tora! Tora! Tora!, he returned to Japan and formed his own production company along with three other Japanese directors: Masaki Kobayashi, Keisuke Kinoshita, and Kon Ichikawa.

The idea of The Committee of the Four Knights was to raise money so that each could make their own movie under the committee's banner. Kurosawa came first, and they never made another movie again. The movie they produced was Dodes'ka-den, a colorful, surrealist, and depressing little tale of poverty in the slums of Tokyo. The financial failure of the film really shouldn't have been that hard to predict. It was purely an art house film, completely lacking plot or even much of a main character, that ends with the death of a child out of neglect from his father. The only audience this could have been a success with was critics, and even they didn't really like it. The depression Kurosawa sank into led to his suicide attempt.

Kurosawa had completely abandoned any effort to appeal to a broad audience, and he was only saved by first the Soviet Union throwing money at him to make a film based on a Russian literary source (Dersu Uzala), followed by George Lucas who used his newfound clout at Twentieth Century Fox to secure the international rights to Kurosawa's return to jidaigeki films, Kagemusha. The story of a warlord's double suddenly finding himself playing the part of warlord all the time upon the warlord's death was a partial return to the similar jidaigeki films he had made in the 50s like Seven Samurai and The Hidden Fortress. His next film, Ran, was a return to Throne of Blood, adapting Shakespeare into medieval Japanese clothes with heavily stylized visuals, giving him his largest late career financial success.

He crawled his way back to some semblance of power, and he used his final three movies to go purely introspective. Dreams is quite literally just that, half a dozen recreations of dreams Kurosawa had had throughout his life. Rhapsody in August is about the psychological effects of the atomic bomb on the Japanese psyche. Madadayo, which translates to "Not Yet", is about an old man not quite ready to stop living after he retires.

Commerce or Art?


Most successful directors have things they want to pursue that don't align with what audiences want to pay $9 a ticket to see on a Friday night or what they're generally known for. John Ford can make The Fugitive after establishing himself with broader fare and get rejected by audiences. Martin Scorsese can make Shutter Island after a career of more art-house fare and get accepted by audiences. It kind of depends on the niche one establishes and what they've been doing for so long.

Kurosawa made all sorts of populist fare in his earlier decades. Crime films, buddy cop movies, samurai epics, and even comedic action films dotted his body of work from the fifties through the sixties. It seems, though, that he simply lost interest in telling those kinds of stories, pouring a year or two at a time into them as he went. By the late 60s, he wanted to branch out and do new things, and that meant trying to bring his paintings to life through a story about the slums of Tokyo. It was certainly different. Even when he started making his comeback with Kagemusha and Ran he made more introspective medieval epics that outright entertainments like Seven Samurai or Yojimbo. His earlier examples weren't dumb action movies or anything. He treated the characters seriously and there were ideas at play, but they were more freewheeling. Kagemusha and Ran are the works of an obviously older man, more inclined to take time to consider small things and let scenes play out a bit slower. He was still making art films to a certain extent, but they were couched in more broadly accepted genre tropes that helped sell them to larger audiences.

Who was Kurosawa


I think Kurosawa was an artist of the highest order who could as easily entertain as he could push the medium in new directions. Audiences weren't always on board with him when he tried to move beyond his more entertaining films, but time has been much kinder to his extra efforts than some other directors like Ford.

That being said, I've waxed on about how he's a born entertainer, and yet the circumstances of his birth, the country he worked in and the time he was born, is a big obstacle for some people. Old, foreign, black and white movies that aren't widescreen can get dismissed as "art house". People want colors. They want stars they know. They don't want to read a movie. They want their widescreen TVs filled to the edges with image. It's just a lot of little things that add up to, "that's too different from what I'm used to, I don't want to put in the effort. Just entertain me."

And yet, Kurosawa made some of the most effortlessly entertaining action films of all time. I don't imagine that this audience of well-informed and erudite film watchers are put off by such things as subtitles, but for those who do find such things to a hinderance to enjoying a film, I would really still encourage you to discover Kurosawa. Seven Samurai, The Hidden Fortress, Yojimbo, Sanjuro, High and Low, The Bad Sleep Well, Scandal, Drunken Angel, and my personal favorite Ikiru are the exact kinds of movies that people say that they want. Smart, with great characters, and well-filmed action, Kurosawa, for decades, made entertainment for everyone.

Movies of Today

Opening in Theaters:

Sonic the Hedgehog 2

Ambulance

Movies I Saw This Fortnight:

Throne of Blood (Rating 4/4) Full Review "This feels like Kurosawa stretching his muscles both artistically and within the power structures of the Japanese film industry to make a large, esoteric adaptation of a piece of major Western literature." [Personal Collection]

The Bad Sleep Well (Rating 4/4) Full Review "It's also pure noir with a jazzy and almost threatening score by Masaru Sato, a certain nihilism, and a constant sense of unease. All it's really missing is a femme fatale and voiceover." [Criterion Channel]

Yojimbo (Rating 4/4) Full Review "Yojimbo is primo entertainment, up with Seven Samurai in Kurosawa's body of work. It's also an hour and a half shorter, which makes for easier watching." [Criterion Channel]

High and Low (Rating 4/4) Full Review "This is another example of primo entertainment from Kurosawa. Penetrating deeply into the minds of characters while telling an intricate story at the same time, High and Low is one of Kurosawa's best films." [Criterion Channel]

Red Beard (Rating 4/4) Full Review "I took several classes with Stephen Prince, the film scholar, when I was at Virginia Tech, and I asked him what his favorite Kurosawa film was. He said it was Red Beard, and it's easy to see why." [Criterion Channel]

Dodes'ka-den (Rating 3.5/4) Full Review "It may not be top-tier Kurosawa, but it's a complex, involving work that deserves attention." [Criterion Channel]

Kagemusha (Rating 4/4) Full Review "This is a wonderful vision of an elder filmmaker finding the kind of access to production he hadn't seen in decades." [Library]

Ran (Rating 4/4) Full Review "This is literally every cinematic lesson Kurosawa ever learned and put up on screen in one concentrated dose. This is the work of an old master in full control over the production, made all the more impressive considering he was essentially blind by this point." [Library]

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Comments

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1 So, I might be 1st, and I'm stopping in to say...

Sonic 2 is an innocuous movie for your kids. So, if they are begging to see it b/c they are video gamers, and you can stomach seeing Jim Carey on screen (who, to be fair, is at his best "Jim Carey of his prime overacting body contortions and faces" in this movie), take them to a cheap Tuesday or 1st matinee. It's worth the discount price of admission to see your kids have a good time.

Posted by: Nova local at April 09, 2022 07:45 PM (exHjb)

2 And here you thought Ace had long movie reviews.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 09, 2022 07:46 PM (fsetr)

3 Did Kirosawa have anything to do with the greatness that is Lone Wolf McQuade? No? Loser.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 09, 2022 07:49 PM (fsetr)

4 Kurasawa! Interesting, because I just watched the Prohibition-era shoot-em-up "Last Man Standing" with Bruce Willis and a rash of great character actors is one of the most Walter Hilly Walter Hill movies ever. Which is a compliment! Loads of atmosphere, Italian vs. Irish mobster spats-n-gats fights in a dusty Texas town, and guns that donkey-kick the target bodies back ten feet.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at April 09, 2022 07:49 PM (Dc2NZ)

5 I was tremendously impressed by Ran.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, oops, I commented again. Sorry, eh. at April 09, 2022 07:50 PM (eGTCV)

6 I'm actually not gonna hang around long b/c I'm watching a movie tonight - movie thread night tends to remind me to watch a movie vs streaming a tv show. It seems 43 minutes is an easier watch at home vs 2 hours.

Thus, why I seem to still go to a lot of movies in theaters - well that, and I have an absolute movie fanatic for a youngest kid...

Posted by: Nova local at April 09, 2022 07:50 PM (exHjb)

7 Watching a new Ukrainian war movie
The Narrow Bridge on YouTube with subtitles

Posted by: Skip's Phone at April 09, 2022 07:51 PM (2JoB8)

8 Check out Kurosawa's hand painted story boards!

https://tinyurl.com/2fczbpz7

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at April 09, 2022 07:51 PM (Dc2NZ)

9 TCM showed a "docu-drama" from Robert J. Flaherty, he of "Nanook of the North", "Moana", and others, called "Louisiana Story" (194. It's a simple tale of a Cajun boy and his pet raccoon and their adventures in the bayou, hunting (and being hunted by) gators, fishing, and having fun. Then an oil company puts a derrick right in his family's neck of the swamp. They have friendly relations with the crew and the movie also shows the rough life of oil workers.

What really sets this apart is the lovely, laid back photography that captures the tranquil beauty of the bayou.

It's available on Amazon Prime and YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlyz5XvqjW8

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at April 09, 2022 07:54 PM (Dc2NZ)

10
g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at April 09, 2022 07:54 PM (DUIap)

11 Evenin', AltonJackson.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at April 09, 2022 07:55 PM (Dc2NZ)

12
Hail, Eris

Posted by: AltonJackson at April 09, 2022 07:56 PM (DUIap)

13 The Bad Sleep Well is a favorite.

Posted by: Oso at April 09, 2022 07:56 PM (xLDhs)

14 That top pic is the most badass photo of a director I can find.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts at April 09, 2022 07:57 PM (ISz30)

15 Do-des'ka Den and Ran are my personal favorites ... so far.
need to see a lot more to really be sure.

g'night everyone !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez -gaslighted?, more like napalmed at April 09, 2022 07:57 PM (enSii)

16 "Imaginative flights of fancy and stunning visuals!"

Q: Which movie is this?
A: That's no movie. It's my tax return.

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 09, 2022 07:58 PM (4I/2K)

17 I had never seen Dersu Uzula before this year, and I found it to be a very engrossing character study about a fascinating character. For those unfamiliar with it, it is set in Czarist Russia in the late 19th century, and a company of Russian soldiers meet up with a fascinating Siberian Native named Dersu Uzula, who becomes their guide.

It's always surprising to see through the eyes of another culture, and one thing that stood out to me was just how European the Russians were, compared to this Siberian native man. But there is so much in this film than that.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 09, 2022 07:59 PM (q3gwH)

18 Throne of Blood seems like a play, oh its fantastic but more like a stage play

Posted by: Skip's Phone at April 09, 2022 08:01 PM (2JoB8)

19 Who directed Godzilla, cause that movie was lit. Imagine trying to direct a giant lizard? I heard he was a real prima dona too.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'the whole kittenkaboodle are in cahoots' at April 09, 2022 08:01 PM (KItfg)

20 18 Throne of Blood seems like a play, oh its fantastic but more like a stage play
Posted by: Skip's Phone at April 09, 2022 08:01 PM (2JoB

I think it was based on some moderately well known stage play, I forget which one. ;-)

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 09, 2022 08:03 PM (q3gwH)

21 Japanese movies are depressing to me . The Red Turtle made me feel melancholy for a couple of days.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 09, 2022 08:03 PM (towrt)

22 Godzilla went through mountains of blow on the set. It's a miracle they were able to edit his few coherent takes into a decent film.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at April 09, 2022 08:03 PM (Dc2NZ)

23 20 18 Throne of Blood seems like a play, oh its fantastic but more like a stage play
Posted by: Skip's Phone at April 09, 2022 08:01 PM (2JoB

I think it was based on some moderately well known stage play, I forget which one. ;-)
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 09, 2022 08:03 PM (q3gwH)

====

Some Scottish play.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts at April 09, 2022 08:04 PM (ISz30)

24 Trump rally in Selma NC, if you care:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mmLmFq6wsk

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at April 09, 2022 08:04 PM (Dc2NZ)

25 Trump rally in Selma NC, if you care:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mmLmFq6wsk

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at April 09, 2022 08:04 PM



I care, and I'm watching...

Posted by: Zettai at April 09, 2022 08:06 PM (Rt7gZ)

26 I just watched Robert Redford's first movie, War Hunt. War movie done on the cheap but not bad. Two and a half stars.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 09, 2022 08:06 PM (towrt)

27 Today's actor is Roger Moore.

Roger Moore was in Cannonball Run with Burt Reynolds, who was in Starting Over with Kevin Bacon.

He was in The Man with the Golden Gun with Christopher Lee.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 09, 2022 08:07 PM (ybIRR)

28 Is Dune a Disney production?

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 09, 2022 08:07 PM (towrt)

29 Trump's visuals are good, but he's no Kurosawa.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 09, 2022 08:08 PM (q3gwH)

30 All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes,

Thanks for the link.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 09, 2022 08:08 PM (iam1O)

31 28 Is Dune a Disney production?
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 09, 2022 08:07 PM (towrt)

====

New one is WB. Old one was De Laurentiis.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts at April 09, 2022 08:08 PM (ISz30)

32 Trump's visuals are good, but he's no Kurosawa.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 09, 2022 08:08 PM



*snort

Posted by: Zettai at April 09, 2022 08:09 PM (Rt7gZ)

33 Shakespeare plays would be much shorter if the main character could ignore people who gave terrible advice. And women.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 09, 2022 08:10 PM (ybIRR)

34 New one is WB. Old one was De Laurentiis.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts at April 09, 2022 08:08 PM (ISz30)

Good because I'm looking forward to the next movie. I didn't know they were only going to do 1/2 at a time.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 09, 2022 08:10 PM (towrt)

35 Smash & I watched 'the night house' on HBO+ streaming via roku last night ( https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9731534/ ). weird movie. kind of a slow burn, recent widow is sorting through her house and discovers odd-ish stuff from her husband. suspense ensues, she sees ghosts (but not bruce willis).

Here's the link to the official trailer: https://is.gd/fEuaN4

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (IJES/) - at April 09, 2022 08:10 PM (UgAdJ)

36 Too bad Redford is such a twat, because he makes good movies. I enjoy films too much to let twatty actors ruin the medium for me.

I mean, Sean Penn is Galactic Douche Lord-level awful, but I can still laugh at Spicoli and dig his Robert-Smith-on-ludes character in "This Must Be The Place".

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at April 09, 2022 08:10 PM (Dc2NZ)

37 "Who directed Godzilla, cause that movie was lit. Imagine trying to direct a giant lizard? I heard he was a real prima dona too."

He's like Robin Williams was. They just turn him loose and let him do his thing.

Posted by: fd at April 09, 2022 08:11 PM (vrz2I)

38 Shakespeare plays would be much shorter if the main character could ignore people who gave terrible advice. And women.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 09, 2022 08:10 PM (ybIRR)

Exactly-a right, bubba!

Posted by: Petruchio at April 09, 2022 08:11 PM (4I/2K)

39 Trump's visuals are good, but he's no Kurosawa.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 09, 2022 08:08 PM
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He's more a Michael Bay guy.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at April 09, 2022 08:11 PM (Dc2NZ)

40 Been watching many Japanese movies lately but I'm certain Kurosawa didn't direct any of them.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 09, 2022 08:11 PM (iam1O)

41 I love Kurosawa movies, but then anything with a Samurai is great

Posted by: Skip at April 09, 2022 08:11 PM (2JoB8)

42 So many great movies by Kurosawa. One of his most awesome scenes is from Ran, when the armies face off across a wide field. As they move, they keep pace with the clouds and shadows. What other filmmaker can direct the weather!

Posted by: Doug at April 09, 2022 08:13 PM (53VZQ)

43 Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at April 09, 2022 08:10 PM (Dc2NZ)

Yeah he's in some of my favorite or at least most watched movies. I do think he's a terrible actor though. I've probably watched Jeremiah Johnson and The Natural more than any other movie except Casablanca.

Brubaker and This Property is Condemned are also very good.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 09, 2022 08:14 PM (towrt)

44 I love Kurosawa movies, but then anything with a Samurai is great
Posted by: Skip

Even that one with Tom Cruise, or was that Keanu Reeves? Civil War vet brings cannons to feudal Japan movie?

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (IJES/) - at April 09, 2022 08:15 PM (UgAdJ)

45 My favorite Kurosawa remains "Rashomon" because it works on so many levels, and is so deeply insightful into the core of human nature. (we all lie to make ourselves look better, even to ourselves) 2nd choice has to be 7 Samurai. It's like every other Samurai movie ever made used that film as a touchstone.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 09, 2022 08:15 PM (q3gwH)

46 Even that one with Tom Cruise, or was that Keanu Reeves? Civil War vet brings cannons to feudal Japan movie?
Posted by: BifBewalski @ (IJES/) - at April 09, 2022 08:15 PM (UgAdJ)

Those, and Samurai Jack, too!

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 09, 2022 08:15 PM (q3gwH)

47 Morgoth and Endeavour talk about Wag the Dog. They are gen-X cynical types.

https://youtu.be/RUDwi9RtlvE

Scottish accents are either soothing or harsh, I don't think there is an in-between.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 09, 2022 08:15 PM (ybIRR)

48 41 I love Kurosawa movies, but then anything with a Samurai is great
Posted by: Skip at April 09, 2022 08:11 PM (2JoB
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Red Letter Media on "Samurai Cop":

https://youtu.be/TYND5fkqhT0?t=635

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at April 09, 2022 08:15 PM (Dc2NZ)

49 Only movie I'm looking forward to right now is The Northman.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 09, 2022 08:15 PM (towrt)

50 45 My favorite Kurosawa remains "Rashomon" because it works on so many levels, and is so deeply insightful into the core of human nature. (we all lie to make ourselves look better, even to ourselves) 2nd choice has to be 7 Samurai. It's like every other Samurai movie ever made used that film as a touchstone.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 09, 2022 08:15 PM (q3gwH)

====

Ikiru makes me feel all the feels.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts at April 09, 2022 08:16 PM (ISz30)

51 Huh. Lon Chaney's Wolfman face hair was made of Yak hair.

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

Posted by: fd at April 09, 2022 08:16 PM (vrz2I)

52 Scottish accents are either soothing or harsh, I don't think there is an in-between.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 09, 2022 08:15 PM (ybIRR)

Best Scottish accent movie is I Married an Ax Murderer.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 09, 2022 08:17 PM (towrt)

53 "And together We will make America Great Again"

Caught the best part.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 09, 2022 08:17 PM (iam1O)

54 Currently have on The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance. I'm an old school dork.

Posted by: Infidel at April 09, 2022 08:20 PM (AhBAQ)

55 27 Today's actor is Roger Moore.

Roger Moore was in Cannonball Run with Burt Reynolds, who was in Starting Over with Kevin Bacon.

He was in The Man with the Golden Gun with Christopher Lee.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 09, 2022 08:07 PM (ybIRR)

Fun Fact: although that was the only movie they did together, Roger Moore and Christopher Lee had been good friends since they were roommates in their 20's, before either of them had broken into the movie business. They remained close personal friends till the end of their lives.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 09, 2022 08:21 PM (q3gwH)

56 Guardians of the Galaxy vol 3 is scheduled for release May 2023. Was very much looking forward to it but unless Disney does a 180 ( which they won't) I won't be seeing it

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 09, 2022 08:21 PM (towrt)

57 I think (and this has been a long time ago) that when I watched "Yojimbo" with a friend of mine (about 40 years ago) we thought that a later Clint Eastwood "Spaghetti Western" was patterned after it. I think I remember having had some laughs through it, as we recognized some of the parts that later showed up in something Clint was in.

I have tried to get several people I know watch "Ran", but they all think it's some artsy-fartsy Japanese "foreign" film.

It was a tremendous piece of cinema.

And "The Seven Samurai" was a truly great movie.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at April 09, 2022 08:21 PM (tjZg/)

58 I like Samurai movies too unless Tom Cruise is in them.

The story is the thing. From Shakespeare to Star Trek you gotta tell a good story. It doesn't even have to be that complicated.

Posted by: fd at April 09, 2022 08:22 PM (vrz2I)

59 Watching a silly Israeli vampire series: Juda

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at April 09, 2022 08:22 PM (lCui1)

60 The story is the thing. From Shakespeare to Star Trek you gotta tell a good story. It doesn't even have to be that complicated.
Posted by: fd at April 09, 2022 08:22 PM (vrz2I)

Yes and except for a very few people, the actors are interchangeable.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 09, 2022 08:24 PM (towrt)

61 I don't have anything on this topic

currently culling my DVD collection- some movies I enjoyed previously are of no interest to me now

Posted by: DB at April 09, 2022 08:24 PM (geLO8)

62 Guardians of the Galaxy vol 3 is scheduled for release May 2023. Was very much looking forward to it but unless Disney does a 180 ( which they won't) I won't be seeing it
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter


If you like Chris Pratt ("Star Lord" in Guardians), you should see "The Tomorrow War" which I watched on Amazon. He stars in it.
It was really pretty good.
It kept me glued to the story until the end.

But....it's no "Seven Samurai". And Toshiro Mifune is NOT in it.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at April 09, 2022 08:24 PM (tjZg/)

63 Best Scottish accent in a Samurai show was the Scottsman with a machine gun in his pegleg that met Samurai Jack on the bridge.

Posted by: fd at April 09, 2022 08:25 PM (vrz2I)

64
They want their widescreen TVs filled to the edges with image.

And yet they'll watch a movie on a smartphone.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 09, 2022 08:25 PM (63Dwl)

65 The story is the thing. From Shakespeare to Star Trek you gotta tell a good story. It doesn't even have to be that complicated.
Posted by: fd at April 09, 2022 08:22 PM (vrz2I)
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Indeed. I've been watching the Film Courage channel on YouTube. Excellent advice on how to tell great stories. It's just a shame no one in Hollywood wants to listen anymore.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at April 09, 2022 08:26 PM (K5n5d)

66 He's like Robin Williams was. They just turn him loose and let him do his thing.

Posted by: fd at April 09, 2022 08:11 PM (vrz2I)

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'the whole kittenkaboodle are in cahoots' at April 09, 2022 08:27 PM (KItfg)

67 "It's just a shame no one in Hollywood wants to listen anymore."

The story is tainted with the message.

Posted by: fd at April 09, 2022 08:27 PM (vrz2I)

68 I have tried to get several people I know watch "Ran", but they all think it's some artsy-fartsy Japanese "foreign" film.

It was a tremendous piece of cinema."

It is one of the most gorgeous pieces of cinematography I can think of - the war scenes, especially, are stunningly beautiful. And they might be surprised that this artsy-fartsy "foreign" film is loosely based on King Lear.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 09, 2022 08:27 PM (q3gwH)

69 Best Scottish accent in a Samurai show was the Scottsman with a machine gun in his pegleg that met Samurai Jack on the bridge.
Posted by: fd at April 09, 2022 08:25 PM (vrz2I)
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He's hilarious. I think he's also one of the few people who can fight Samurai Jack to a draw. True Scottish badass.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at April 09, 2022 08:28 PM (K5n5d)

70 Throne of Blood has been a favorite of mine, as has Welles' rendition of MacBeth.

I'm partial to The Magnificent Seven over Seven Samurai, but that's all on Steve McQueen.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at April 09, 2022 08:29 PM (BgMrQ)

71 63 Best Scottish accent in a Samurai show was the Scottsman with a machine gun in his pegleg that met Samurai Jack on the bridge.
Posted by: fd at April 09, 2022 08:25 PM (vrz2I)

LOL! I loved that guy!!!

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 09, 2022 08:29 PM (q3gwH)

72 currently culling my DVD collection- some movies I enjoyed previously are of no interest to me now
Posted by: DB at April 09, 2022 08:24 PM (geLO

besides, you're too old for Little Mermaid now.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 09, 2022 08:32 PM (q3gwH)

73 Guess I got a lotta Jap movies to watch. Heidis not crazy about sub-titles but don't bother me.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'the whole kittenkaboodle are in cahoots' at April 09, 2022 08:32 PM (KItfg)

74 I'm pretty sure that was John DiMaggio, voice of Bender.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 09, 2022 08:32 PM (ybIRR)

75 Oh I forgot Tom was in a Samurai movie, I take my previous statement back

Posted by: Skip at April 09, 2022 08:32 PM (2JoB8)

76 besides, you're too old for Little Mermaid now.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 09, 2022 08:32 PM (q3gw

I can't laugh because I occasionally watch Bolt .

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 09, 2022 08:33 PM (towrt)

77 "True Scottish badass."

When Jack punctured his bagpipe I laughed and laughed. That may have been the first episode I saw.

Posted by: fd at April 09, 2022 08:33 PM (vrz2I)

78 Tom was in Shogun, yes?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'the whole kittenkaboodle are in cahoots' at April 09, 2022 08:33 PM (KItfg)

79 68 It is one of the most gorgeous pieces of cinematography I can think of - the war scenes, especially, are stunningly beautiful. And they might be surprised that this artsy-fartsy "foreign" film is loosely based on King Lear.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 09, 2022 08:27 PM (q3gwH)

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Ugh...Shakespeare?

And that's supposed to make it better?!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts at April 09, 2022 08:34 PM (ISz30)

80 I haven't seen to many Kurosawa flicks outside of 'Ran' and 'Throne of Blood' and they are both fantastic movies.

Last Man Standing is a fine Bruce Willis movie. I've watched it quite a bit over the years. Have it on DVD. Forgot Walter Hill directed it. 'Hard Times' is one of my favorites.

Posted by: Puddleglum at April 09, 2022 08:35 PM (sAmhv)

81 Shakespeare never goes out out of style because it's based on human foibles, which never go out of style.

Posted by: fd at April 09, 2022 08:36 PM (vrz2I)

82 Akira Kurosawa

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Finally !

Posted by: runner at April 09, 2022 08:36 PM (V13WU)

83 Tom was in Shogun, yes?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'the whole kittenkaboodle are in cahoots' at April 09, 2022 08:33 PM (KItfg)

The Last Samurai

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 09, 2022 08:36 PM (4I/2K)

84 Shakespeare never goes out out of style because it's based on human foibles, which never go out of style.
Posted by: fd at April 09, 2022 08:36 PM (vrz2I)
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Agreed. His works are universally loved because they transcend cultures. He understood the human condition as few people ever have or ever will.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at April 09, 2022 08:37 PM (K5n5d)

85 It was no Prometheus, I'll say that much.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 09, 2022 08:37 PM (vuisn)

86 Article at American Thinker today says Disney and its movies isn't just for kids anymore, and the LGBQ adults like being kids again and hooked on everything Disney so they might be paying to their base.

Posted by: Skip at April 09, 2022 08:38 PM (2JoB8)

87 This is simply an outstanding work of analysis and writing, TJM. Top-shelf.

I have never been able to get into Kurosawa, but your efforts here convince me that perhaps I should give him another shot, and soon.

Thank you.

Posted by: Sharkman at April 09, 2022 08:38 PM (RgPae)

88 I'm partial to The Magnificent Seven over Seven Samurai, but that's all on Steve McQueen.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard

I saw the western "Magnificent Seven" before seeing "Seven Samurai", and although "Magnificent Seven" is based on "Seven Samurai", they are really different movies.
I like them both, for different reasons. "Seven Samurai" is an education of the Japanese notions of chivalry and samurai honor, while "Magnificent Seven" is an American movie with ideals of American manhood and courage and principle.
It's like "True Grit". The first one with John Wayne I liked a lot, but the second one with Jeff Bridges I also liked a lot, for different reasons, and they are really different movies.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at April 09, 2022 08:39 PM (tjZg/)

89 87 I have never been able to get into Kurosawa, but your efforts here convince me that perhaps I should give him another shot, and soon.

Thank you.
Posted by: Sharkman at April 09, 2022 08:38 PM (RgPae

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Thank you. Just don't start with Dodes'ka-den.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts at April 09, 2022 08:39 PM (ISz30)

90 78 Tom was in Shogun, yes?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'the whole kittenkaboodle are in cahoots' at April 09, 2022 08:33 PM (KItfg)

No, Richard Chamberlain was the lead. And Toshiro Mifune played an excellent and believable Lord Toronaga. IMHO, probably the best American made mini-series ever done.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 09, 2022 08:39 PM (q3gwH)

91 Dersu Uzala was very interesting.

Posted by: runner at April 09, 2022 08:40 PM (V13WU)

92 Tom was in Shogun, yes?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'the whole kittenkaboodle are in cahoots

No, that was Richard Chamberlain, but Toshiro Mifune (!!!) starred as the warlord and finally became the Shogun, Toronaga.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at April 09, 2022 08:41 PM (tjZg/)

93 I have seen only one Kurosawa film, Seven Samurai. I liked it a lot. I need to check my catalog, but I think my brother sent me a DVD of Yojimbo some years ago. I need to see if that is so, and watch it.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at April 09, 2022 08:41 PM (x8Wzq)

94 Linked these some weeks ago after seeing them, a few made early WWII Japanese War movies taking place in China
Links in thread
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=558268

Posted by: Skip at April 09, 2022 08:41 PM (2JoB8)

95 I wonder if I need to rewatch Ram. I was not as impressed by it as I was by Seven Samurai.

Posted by: runner at April 09, 2022 08:42 PM (V13WU)

96 Perhaps a common theme between Ikiru and the Samurai films is that Ikiru demonstrates the innate heroism in even a very common, ordinary man.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 09, 2022 08:42 PM (q3gwH)

97 Throne of Blood has been a favorite of mine, as has Welles' rendition of MacBeth.

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Macbeth is my favorite Shakespeare.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I am not a biologist at April 09, 2022 08:42 PM (FVME7)

98 Nothing beats a good gladiator movie.

Posted by: Joey at April 09, 2022 08:43 PM (Xrfse)

99 Samurai Jack animator did a show called Primal.

https://www.adultswim.com/videos/primal

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 09, 2022 08:43 PM (ybIRR)

100 I don't think I've ever seen "The Hidden Fortress" so will add it to my list. Should I expect the parallels to "Star Wars" to be obvious?

Posted by: fd at April 09, 2022 08:43 PM (vrz2I)

101 James Clavell wrote Shogun . He also wrote King Rat. Both were put on the screen really well.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 09, 2022 08:43 PM (towrt)

102 Handsome like George Raft, I heard.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 09, 2022 08:43 PM (vuisn)

103 Macbeth is my favorite Shakespeare.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I am not a biologist


Have you ever read it in the original Klingon? - General Chang

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at April 09, 2022 08:44 PM (tjZg/)

104 95 I wonder if I need to rewatch Ram. I was not as impressed by it as I was by Seven Samurai.
Posted by: runner at April 09, 2022 08:42 PM (V13WU)

The hard thing about Ran is that it has a very cruel, unsatisfying ending. But then so does King Lear.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 09, 2022 08:45 PM (q3gwH)

105 I've watched a few Kurosawa films, and my wife's favourite is also Ikiru, but my take on his better works (I really hated Madadoyo and Dodeskaden as indulgent trash): Throne of Blood is a _very_ japanese remake of MacBeth, and Ran is a very non-japanese remake of King Lear. Honestly the best take on King Lear I've seen. High And Low was a pretty good detective story, and Rashamon is one of those anti-stories with the unfaithful narrator who (it turns out) is everyone. I really need to see Red Beard.

Posted by: normal at April 09, 2022 08:45 PM (obo9H)

106 Nothing beats a good gladiator movie.
Posted by: Joey


squeeeee! gladiator movies!
- shep, don LeMon, & kurt

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (UgAdJ) - at April 09, 2022 08:45 PM (UgAdJ)

107 Yojimbo is a good movie. My friend Jim hated it. Probably because I always called him that.

Posted by: fd at April 09, 2022 08:45 PM (vrz2I)

108 My Americanism comes out in me when I watch Japanese films because I hate immovable classism.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 09, 2022 08:45 PM (towrt)

109 Yojimbo is my go to. Short. Sweet. Awesome.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at April 09, 2022 08:46 PM (snpvX)

110 I was thinking of watching "Operation Finale" tonight. It's about Eichmann's capture in 1960. Anybody here see it?

Ben Kingsley plays Eichmann. Since he played Itzak Stern in "Schindler's List" it's the biggest about-face for an actor since Olivier played the Jewish Nazi hunter in "Boys from Brazil" and the Mengele character in "Marathon Man."

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V at April 09, 2022 08:46 PM (HabA/)

111 96 Perhaps a common theme between Ikiru and the Samurai films is that Ikiru demonstrates the innate heroism in even a very common, ordinary man.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 09, 2022 08:42 PM (q3gwH)

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The way I simplify his body of work's ideas is: "the dreams of stay dogs." It's about those living outside of the centers of humanity ( both literally and figuratively working to achieve what they want or need, oftentimes seemingly simple things like survival or just finding a way to actually live.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts at April 09, 2022 08:47 PM (ISz30)

112 100 I don't think I've ever seen "The Hidden Fortress" so will add it to my list. Should I expect the parallels to "Star Wars" to be obvious?
Posted by: fd at April 09, 2022 08:43 PM (vrz2I)

It's not an exact parallel - but you'll see C3PO and R2D2 right off.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 09, 2022 08:47 PM (q3gwH)

113 IMHO, probably the best American made mini-series ever done.
Posted by: Tom Servo

I will not argue.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at April 09, 2022 08:47 PM (snpvX)

114 "The hard thing about Ran is that it has a very cruel, unsatisfying ending."

Isn't one of the things about a good story is to leave the listener wanting more?

Posted by: fd at April 09, 2022 08:47 PM (vrz2I)

115 James Clavell wrote Shogun . He also wrote King Rat. Both were put on the screen really well.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter

And "Noble House".

Did you know that he was also one of the screenwriters for the movie "The Great Escape"?
I saw the movie "King Rat" before I read the book, and came away with a different view of that than I got from the book, which I read years later. I watched the movie again after I read the book, and re-thought about my original impression of the movie.
Tom Courtenay played a real Marxist (in the movie, and he also played Strelnikov in "Dr. Zhivago"), and that became very evident in re-watching it.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at April 09, 2022 08:48 PM (tjZg/)

116 100 I don't think I've ever seen "The Hidden Fortress" so will add it to my list. Should I expect the parallels to "Star Wars" to be obvious?
Posted by: fd at April 09, 2022 08:43 PM (vrz2I)

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Mostly basic scenario stuff and the use of side characters as drivers into the story (like the droids). If you squint, you can see more.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts at April 09, 2022 08:48 PM (ISz30)

117 I was thinking of watching "Operation Finale" tonight.
Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V

binging rick & morty here. nothing but the high brow shit here for me & smash

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (UgAdJ) - at April 09, 2022 08:48 PM (UgAdJ)

118 Toshiro Mifune was born in China to parents who were Methodist missionaries. He served in the Imperial Army as a photographer. He himself remained a Methodist. Which is weird for Japan.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at April 09, 2022 08:48 PM (snpvX)

119 Macbeth is my favorite Shakespeare.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I am not a biologist at April 09, 2022 08:42 PM (FVME7)

1) MacBeth
B) Hamlet
iii) Richard III

Honorable mention King Lear.

Let us not talk of the Comedies...

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at April 09, 2022 08:48 PM (BgMrQ)

120 you'll see C3PO and R2D2 right off.

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That's C3PO San and R2D2 San.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I am not a biologist at April 09, 2022 08:48 PM (FVME7)

121 Great thread but the Australian Grand Prix is on in 5 hours and going to try and get up to see it live.
Have a great evening everyone

Posted by: Skip at April 09, 2022 08:49 PM (2JoB8)

122 Tom, too much gore in Ran. I don't think it added anything.

Posted by: runner at April 09, 2022 08:49 PM (V13WU)

123 113 IMHO, probably the best American made mini-series ever done.
Posted by: Tom Servo

I will not argue.
Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at April 09, 2022 08:47 PM (snpvX)

***coughLonesomeDovecough***

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at April 09, 2022 08:50 PM (BgMrQ)

124 108 My Americanism comes out in me when I watch Japanese films because I hate immovable classism.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 09, 2022 08:45 PM (towrt)

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I'm going to be doing the works of Masaki Kobayashi soon, and he often rails against that rigidity. Harakiri and Samurai Rebellion, in particular.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts at April 09, 2022 08:50 PM (ISz30)

125 "If you squint, you can see more."

Like the minimighticlorians?

Posted by: fd at April 09, 2022 08:50 PM (vrz2I)

126 1) MacBeth
B) Hamlet
iii) Richard III

Honorable mention King Lear.

Let us not talk of the Comedies...
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard

Henry V is kind of an Elizabethan Die Hard, too.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I am not a biologist at April 09, 2022 08:50 PM (FVME7)

127 I saw Sam Mendes Hollow Crown, about the war of the roses. I hated Falstaff at the end of that. So I want to see Chimes at Midnight, but I think I will hate it.

Similarly I want to watch F for Fake, but I prefer having a little bit of Orson Welles that I haven't seen yet. There is so little of him, compared to what I wish there was.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 09, 2022 08:51 PM (ybIRR)

128 122 Tom, too much gore in Ran. I don't think it added anything.
Posted by: runner at April 09, 2022 08:49 PM (V13WU)

One can never be to thin, too rich, or depict too much gore...

Posted by: zombie Wallis Simpson at April 09, 2022 08:51 PM (BgMrQ)

129 108 My Americanism comes out in me when I watch Japanese films because I hate immovable classism.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter

Up until just a few years ago, I held everything Japanese in very high regard. Then, I read history about the Pacific War. Not so much anymore.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at April 09, 2022 08:51 PM (snpvX)

130
***coughLonesomeDovecough***
Posted by: browndog

seconded.

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (UgAdJ) - at April 09, 2022 08:51 PM (UgAdJ)

131 binging rick & morty here. nothing but the high brow shit here for me & smash
Posted by: BifBewalski @ (UgAdJ) - at April 09, 2022 08:48 PM (UgAdJ)

Season five was such a disappointment. It was just all perversion. Nothing thought provoking. Maybe the clone episode was an exception.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 09, 2022 08:52 PM (towrt)

132 For a bit of time Japan was heavily courted by Catholic Portugal and Spain. So much so , that many clans converted to Catholicism. And if it were not for counterreformation of sorts, Japan in the 17th century would have become what Philippines is today - Catholic.

Posted by: runner at April 09, 2022 08:52 PM (V13WU)

133 I'm going to hope there is none of that force hocus pocus in "The Hidden Fortress".

Posted by: fd at April 09, 2022 08:52 PM (vrz2I)

134 Is Ken Watanabe the current Toshiro Mifune? It seems like Hollywood latches on to one ethnic actor and rides him until he drops playing ever role for that ethnicity.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 09, 2022 08:54 PM (yQpMk)

135 One of those things I like most about Rashomon is that in a way, it's one of the most realistic Detective/Crime stories ever filmed. When we think of a crime story, we think of 2 sides, one lying, one telling the truth, and we have to decide which is which. But what to do when there are 3 stories of what happened, by 3 eyewitnesses who all contradict each other? And it turns out that all 3 are lying about some of what they saw - how do we decide what actually happened?

In the Real world, *That* is the situation we run into every day, not the easy binary one. In it's fantasy way, Rashomon describes the real world better than almost any other attempt.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 09, 2022 08:54 PM (q3gwH)

136 Liked Shogun and King Rat, most anything by Clavell. Have to say Richard Chamberlain is a hell of an actor, I mean in Thornbird he had me convinced he loved that beautiful woman.

Posted by: Eromero at April 09, 2022 08:54 PM (0OP+5)

137 It was no Prometheus, I'll say that much.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 09, 2022 08:37 PM (vuisn)

I recently, finally saw Prometheus. It was no Prometheus.

Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at April 09, 2022 08:54 PM (SH2Zi)

138 Is Ken Watanabe the current Toshiro Mifune?
Posted by: G'rump928(c)

Yes he is.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at April 09, 2022 08:55 PM (snpvX)

139 Henry V is kind of an Elizabethan Die Hard, too.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I am not a biologist at April 09, 2022 08:50 PM (FVME7)

Everything up to the Battle of Agincourt is primo. Once he goes to woo Katherine...woof.

The St. Crispin Days speech is one of my favorites. Olivier over Branagh on all cards...

Posted by: zombie Wallis Simpson at April 09, 2022 08:55 PM (BgMrQ)

140 134 Is Ken Watanabe the current Toshiro Mifune? It seems like Hollywood latches on to one ethnic actor and rides him until he drops playing ever role for that ethnicity.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 09, 2022 08:54 PM (yQpMk)

Well I know who's got the lifetime roll of Annoying Old Japanese Gay Man.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 09, 2022 08:55 PM (q3gwH)

141 Grandpa regaled me with a few stories about Japs when I was little. He was in WWII. Never had a fascination with slant eyes.

Posted by: Infidel at April 09, 2022 08:55 PM (AhBAQ)

142 /off American Divorcee sock

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at April 09, 2022 08:56 PM (BgMrQ)

143 Captain Blackthorne is based on William Adams, you know, " .. the first Englishman to reach Japan leading a five-ship expedition for a private Dutch fleet",in the 17th century.

Posted by: runner at April 09, 2022 08:57 PM (V13WU)

144 133 I'm going to hope there is none of that force hocus pocus in "The Hidden Fortress".
Posted by: fd at April 09, 2022 08:52 PM (vrz2I)

Ha ha! No. But there is a princess that has to be rescued from an evil warlord.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 09, 2022 08:57 PM (q3gwH)

145 There's a film I think on Netflix called 13 Assassins which is recent but very Kurosawa-esque. Takes it time telling the story. It's good.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at April 09, 2022 08:57 PM (snpvX)

146 141 Grandpa regaled me with a few stories about Japs when I was little. He was in WWII. Never had a fascination with slant eyes.
Posted by: Infidel at April 09, 2022 08:55 PM (AhBAQ)
Pappy Eromero asked me one time back in the 70's 'What the hell are you doing driving a Volkswagen?'.

Posted by: Eromero at April 09, 2022 08:58 PM (0OP+5)

147 Ponder this:

If you were to be a character in any Shakespeare play, who are you, and why?

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at April 09, 2022 08:58 PM (BgMrQ)

148 147 Ponder this:

If you were to be a character in any Shakespeare play, who are you, and why?
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at April 09, 2022 08:58 PM (BgMrQ

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Rosencrantz, so the play can be about me. I could settle for Gildenstern, I suppose.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts at April 09, 2022 08:59 PM (ISz30)

149 Grandpa regaled me with a few stories about Japs when I was little. He was in WWII. Never had a fascination with slant eyes.
Posted by: Infidel

The Japanese in WWII were like the Nazi, the Commies, Islam, and our own progs. They're creating utopia and can't be bothered by mere morality.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I am not a biologist at April 09, 2022 08:59 PM (FVME7)

150 Eromero, cousin had one. His dad was not impressed.

I guess my elders just ingrained me with some things.

Posted by: Infidel at April 09, 2022 09:00 PM (AhBAQ)

151 147 Ponder this:

If you were to be a character in any Shakespeare play, who are you, and why?
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at April 09, 2022 08:58 PM (BgMrQ)

(Jump to top of page)
I am the jackass in Midsummer Nights Dream. Obviously.

Posted by: Eromero at April 09, 2022 09:00 PM (0OP+5)

152 TJM, now that's surprising. I pictured you for a supporting character...

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at April 09, 2022 09:00 PM (BgMrQ)

153 I really need to go back and read Clavell's entire Asian Saga. All of his novels are brilliant:

Shogun
Tai-Pan
Gai-Jin
King Rat
Noble House
Whirlwind

And of course King Rat was based on Clavell's own 3 year stint as a captive of the Japanese including at Changi POW camp in Singapore.

Posted by: Sharkman at April 09, 2022 09:00 PM (RgPae)

154 If you were to be a character in any Shakespeare play, who are you, and why?
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at April 09, 2022 08:58 PM (BgMrQ

Demetrius in A Midsummer's Night Dream.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 09, 2022 09:00 PM (towrt)

155 Eromero, there we go...

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at April 09, 2022 09:01 PM (BgMrQ)

156 My Grandpa would never own a Japanese car but the dang sure had some German ones. And he fought in Europe!

Posted by: fd at April 09, 2022 09:02 PM (vrz2I)

157 All this talk of samurai has made me pop Samurai Jack into the old blu-ray player...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at April 09, 2022 09:02 PM (K5n5d)

158 Kurosawa did one with Mifune about a cop who had his pistol stolen shortly after the war ended. It's fun to watch just to see what shape Japan was in at the time. They were destroyed and rebuilding.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at April 09, 2022 09:02 PM (snpvX)

159 Anti doesn't matter...lover boy!

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at April 09, 2022 09:02 PM (BgMrQ)

160 If you were to be a character in any Shakespeare play, who are you, and why?
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard

I might be Polonius from Hamlet, well meaning and perhaps even having some wisdom but quite capable of error.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I am not a biologist at April 09, 2022 09:03 PM (FVME7)

161 Similarly, he anchored with his remaining crew near some Japanese village, were met my Jesuit priest and accused of piracy. Then after many trials and tribulations, Adams was appointed advisor to the shogun, given samurai status, and title of hatamoto, lands and so on. That is also in the book.

Posted by: runner at April 09, 2022 09:03 PM (V13WU)

162 Scottish accents are either soothing or harsh, I don't think there is an in-between.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 09, 2022 08:15 PM (ybIRR)



The soft burr of the lowland Scots is considered the most trust inducing accent in the English speaking world. That is why a lot of customer support, particularly financial companies, is based in Edinburgh.

Highland Scots sounds like they mean to cut your throat.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 09, 2022 09:03 PM (yQpMk)

163 If you were to be a character in any Shakespeare play, who are you, and why?
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at April 09, 2022 08:58 PM (BgMrQ
----

Yorrick

*wind-up chattering teeth skull*

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at April 09, 2022 09:03 PM (Dc2NZ)

164 Back to the past!

Posted by: fd at April 09, 2022 09:03 PM (vrz2I)

165 148 147 Ponder this:

If you were to be a character in any Shakespeare play, who are you, and why?
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at April 09, 2022 08:58 PM (BgMrQ

I was gonna say Oberon, cuz he's powerful, but then I thought King of the Fairy's? naaaahhhhh.

and Prospero is one of my favorites, but he hangs it all up at the end.

so I'd go with Petrucio, from Taming of the Shrew. Now there's a man who ends up Large and In Charge.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 09, 2022 09:03 PM (q3gwH)

166 ***coughLonesomeDovecough***

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard



Lonesome Dove wins, of course, because it has Robert Duvall in it rather than the horrifically talentless Richard Chamberlain in it.

Posted by: Sharkman at April 09, 2022 09:04 PM (RgPae)

167 158 Kurosawa did one with Mifune about a cop who had his pistol stolen shortly after the war ended. It's fun to watch just to see what shape Japan was in at the time. They were destroyed and rebuilding.
Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at April 09, 2022 09:02 PM (snpvX)

===

If that era interests you, you could also check out One Wonderful Sunday about two young people trying to make a date of a day on 30 yen between them in (presumably) postwar Tokyo. It's presumably because there is no explicit mention of the American occupation. I think that was a requirement of the Occupying Forces.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts at April 09, 2022 09:04 PM (ISz30)

168 My choice is Horatio in Hamlet.

Loyal friend...

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at April 09, 2022 09:04 PM (BgMrQ)

169 In one of the Godzilla movies, Ken Watanabe has to wake up Godzilla, to save us from the other kaiju, using a nuclear weapon. As you do. And he pulls out his grandfather's pocket watch, which was permanently froze at about 9 am, because that's then =the bomb= landed in Nagasaki.

And it occurs to me that you can put any old confusing bullshit into oscar-bait and call it art. People will pretend right along. But they just put a ton of context and meaning into this silly popcorn movie.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 09, 2022 09:04 PM (ybIRR)

170 Highland Scots sounds like they mean to cut your throat.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 09, 2022 09:03 PM (yQpMk)

Is Groundskeeper Willie a highlander?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at April 09, 2022 09:05 PM (Dc2NZ)

171 All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes...a quiet part to be sure.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at April 09, 2022 09:06 PM (BgMrQ)

172 I wonder what Pappy Eromero would think today? He did a couple Japanese vehicles but never a German one.

Posted by: Eromero at April 09, 2022 09:06 PM (0OP+5)

173 The only Clavell novel I did not read , is King Rat. I know what it is about and can't make myself read it.

Posted by: runner at April 09, 2022 09:06 PM (V13WU)

174 If you were to be a character in any Shakespeare play, who are you, and why?
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard

I'd be Dumbledore.

Posted by: Vice President Kamala Harris at April 09, 2022 09:07 PM (FVME7)

175 Is Groundskeeper Willie a highlander?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at April 09, 2022 09:05 PM (Dc2NZ)



Aye. Montgomery Scot is a lowlander.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 09, 2022 09:07 PM (yQpMk)

176 Tom Servo...interesting evolution from Oberon to Prospero to Petruchio.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at April 09, 2022 09:08 PM (BgMrQ)

177 Vice President Kamala Harris...Threadwinner!!!

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at April 09, 2022 09:08 PM (BgMrQ)

178 158 Kurosawa did one with Mifune about a cop who had his pistol stolen shortly after the war ended. It's fun to watch just to see what shape Japan was in at the time. They were destroyed and rebuilding.
Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at April 09, 2022 09:02 PM (snpvX)

Throughout Rashoman, the main characters are seated in a once magnificent, but now burned out and ruined, temple building. (the story is told through flashbacks) This is quite obviously a metaphor for post-war Japan. (Just one of the many levels in that film)

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 09, 2022 09:08 PM (q3gwH)

179 Mostly my Grandpa like Cadillacs and Corvettes. I don't know what attracted him to that VW Rabbit.

Posted by: fd at April 09, 2022 09:09 PM (vrz2I)

180 Ponder this:

If you were to be a character in any Shakespeare play, who are you, and why?
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at April 09, 2022 08:58 PM (BgMrQ

I was gonna say Oberon, cuz he's powerful, but then I thought King of the Fairy's? naaaahhhhh.

and Prospero is one of my favorites, but he hangs it all up at the end.

so I'd go with Petrucio, from Taming of the Shrew. Now there's a man who ends up Large and In Charge.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 09, 2022 09:03 PM (q3gwH)

Drinks, carouses, and marries into money. What's not to like? Petruchio for me as well.

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 09, 2022 09:09 PM (4I/2K)

181 Dreams is all over the place. Some good, some stupid. The most chilling is the Army officer after the war ended who is visited by his platoon, all dead who did not know they were dead. He had to break the news to them.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at April 09, 2022 09:09 PM (snpvX)

182 I read King Rat on the advise of a friend. Back in the 70's. Clavell weaves a good story.

Posted by: Infidel at April 09, 2022 09:09 PM (AhBAQ)

183 That's easy - Mercutio from Romeo and Juliet.

The why - I easily fit into groups that are at odds with each other. I think I'm witty, usually, but can be vulgar or profane. (You're seen my comments, right?)
I have been known to have outbursts of temper now and then when sufficiently provoked.

Posted by: Tonypete at April 09, 2022 09:09 PM (Msys3)

184 I would want to be Mercutio, just so I can deliver his lines when he is mortally wounded.

No, 'tis not so deep as a well nor so wide as a church-door, but 'tis enough, 'twill serve. Ask for me tomorrow, and you shall find me a grave man.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 09, 2022 09:09 PM (yQpMk)

185 179 Mostly my Grandpa like Cadillacs and Corvettes. I don't know what attracted him to that VW Rabbit.
Posted by: fd at April 09, 2022 09:09 PM (vrz2I)
The gas mileage.

Posted by: Eromero at April 09, 2022 09:10 PM (0OP+5)

186 One of my standards that I teach is effective and persuasive speeches. I always use the Henry V speech at Agincourt, along with Churchill Never Surrender speech and QEI Tilbury Speech.

Posted by: Jmel at April 09, 2022 09:11 PM (eGq17)

187 Anonosaurus Wrecks...Polonius walks the line between insightful, and obsequious for me. Though the "Neither a borrower nor a lender be" statement is wisdom through the ages...

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at April 09, 2022 09:12 PM (BgMrQ)

188 "The gas mileage.
Posted by: Eromero "

He was a big guy. It was not the car for him. He looked like a bear driving a circus car.

Posted by: fd at April 09, 2022 09:12 PM (vrz2I)

189 One of my standards that I teach is effective and persuasive speeches. I always use the Henry V speech at Agincourt, along with Churchill Never Surrender speech and QEI Tilbury Speech.
Posted by: Jmel

Nothing by Otter from "Animal House"?

Posted by: Tonypete at April 09, 2022 09:12 PM (Msys3)

190 I always use the Henry V speech at Agincourt, along with Churchill Never Surrender speech and QEI Tilbury Speech.
Posted by: Jmel

No Blutarski after the Germans bombed Pearl?

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at April 09, 2022 09:12 PM (snpvX)

191 I always enjoyed this guy's spaghetti westerns.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at April 09, 2022 09:12 PM (Wnd0C)

192 Blutarski - what the hell is wrong with us?

Posted by: Tonypete at April 09, 2022 09:13 PM (Msys3)

193 G'rump928(c)...Mercutio: another good man. A hot blooded version of Horatio...

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at April 09, 2022 09:13 PM (BgMrQ)

194 I can't play the "which Shakespeare character are you" game. Aside from what was assigned in school, I've read very little Shakespeare. A few sonnets aside.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at April 09, 2022 09:14 PM (x8Wzq)

195 188 "The gas mileage.
Posted by: Eromero "

He was a big guy. It was not the car for him. He looked like a bear driving a circus car.
Posted by: fd at April 09, 2022 09:12 PM (vrz2I)
I'm 6-2 and the VW was tight for me too.

Posted by: Eromero at April 09, 2022 09:14 PM (0OP+5)

196 No, 'tis not so deep as a well nor so wide as a church-door, but 'tis enough, 'twill serve. Ask for me tomorrow, and you shall find me a grave man.
Posted by: G'rump928(c)

When Muldoon's time comes, he'll probably exit with a pun.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I am not a biologist at April 09, 2022 09:14 PM (FVME7)

197 Tonypete...another person picks Mercutio - interesting.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at April 09, 2022 09:14 PM (BgMrQ)

198 I just watch Siberian Education again. Am I the only one to see this English language Italian produced Russian movie? I highly recommend. .

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 09, 2022 09:15 PM (towrt)

199 When Muldoon's time comes, he'll probably exit with a pun.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I am not a biologist at April 09, 2022 09:14 PM (FVME7)



Rosebud...

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 09, 2022 09:16 PM (yQpMk)

200 Blutarski - what the hell is wrong with us?
Posted by: Tonypete

I know, right?

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at April 09, 2022 09:16 PM (snpvX)

201 Count de Monet...Another Petruchio on the make. I can see it...

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at April 09, 2022 09:16 PM (BgMrQ)

202 Rosebud...
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 09, 2022 09:16 PM (yQpMk)

Rosepun.....

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 09, 2022 09:16 PM (towrt)

203 And now, with the gasp! pump strangling me, I'm craving a beetlebug.

Posted by: Eromero at April 09, 2022 09:17 PM (0OP+5)

204 He was a big guy. It was not the car for him. He looked like a bear driving a circus car.
Posted by: fd at April 09, 2022 09:12 PM (vrz2I)

"You may find yourself behind the wheel of a woefully undersized automobile."

Posted by: David Byrne Reaching for the Eraser at April 09, 2022 09:17 PM (x8Wzq)

205 Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well...at least you read some of the sonnets. Those were lost on the young dog...

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at April 09, 2022 09:17 PM (BgMrQ)

206 Tonypete...another person picks Mercutio - interesting.
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard

Tomorrow you will find me a grave man.

He knew he was mortally wounded but no one else did.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at April 09, 2022 09:18 PM (snpvX)

207 204 He was a big guy. It was not the car for him. He looked like a bear driving a circus car.
Posted by: fd at April 09, 2022 09:12 PM (vrz2I)

"You may find yourself behind the wheel of a woefully undersized automobile."
Posted by: David Byrne Reaching for the Eraser at April 09, 2022 09:17 PM (x8Wzq)
You may say how did I get here.

Posted by: Eromero at April 09, 2022 09:20 PM (0OP+5)

208 Thank the good lord that no one's picked the Young Princes in Richard III...

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at April 09, 2022 09:20 PM (BgMrQ)

209 >>>Aside from what was assigned in school, I've read very little Shakespeare. A few sonnets aside.

>Just sing the one that Gilligan sang. Gotta go with the classics.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at April 09, 2022 09:21 PM (Wnd0C)

210 You may say how did I get here.
Posted by: Eromero

This is not my woefully undersized automobile!

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at April 09, 2022 09:21 PM (snpvX)

211 I pick Rosaline, unseen, un-tragic
I bet she married well and had a passel of bouncing bambinos

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at April 09, 2022 09:22 PM (lCui1)

212 Now if you turn the Shakespeare character question into "which are you actually most like?" rather than "who would you like to be?" I'd probably have to go with Shylock.

At least I'm not an Iago.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 09, 2022 09:22 PM (q3gwH)

213 This is not my weirdly oversized wife!

*smack forehead on slab of marble*

Posted by: David Byrne Reaching for the Eraser at April 09, 2022 09:23 PM (x8Wzq)

214 I've never seen the movie but they say My Own Private Idaho is based on Henry IV.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at April 09, 2022 09:24 PM (towrt)

215 212 Now if you turn the Shakespeare character question into "which are you actually most like?" rather than "who would you like to be?" I'd probably have to go with Shylock.

At least I'm not an Iago.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 09, 2022 09:22 PM (q3gwH)

====

I'd be one of those servant characters that has a great play on words that only makes sense when you pronounce the English right and is never seen again.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts at April 09, 2022 09:24 PM (ISz30)

216 204 He was a big guy. It was not the car for him. He looked like a bear driving a circus car.
Posted by: fd at April 09, 2022 09:12 PM (vrz2I)

"You may find yourself behind the wheel of a woefully undersized automobile."
Posted by: David Byrne Reaching for the Eraser at April 09, 2022 09:17 PM (x8Wzq)
'My God, what have I done?'
'You got divorced and lost all your shit. Get that VW outta my driveway'
-God

Posted by: Eromero at April 09, 2022 09:24 PM (0OP+5)

217 vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion...that she did, she married Count Paris.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at April 09, 2022 09:24 PM (BgMrQ)

218 Prince Trollme

Posted by: fd at April 09, 2022 09:26 PM (vrz2I)

219 I choose the Duke of Exeter. He tells the dauphin dolphin that he is a person of little regard.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 09, 2022 09:26 PM (ybIRR)

220 I dream of Paris!

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at April 09, 2022 09:26 PM (lCui1)

221 Tom Servo...interesting turn of the question.

I'm most like Hamlet: questioning my existence...

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at April 09, 2022 09:26 PM (BgMrQ)

222 I'd be one of those servant characters that has a great play on words that only makes sense when you pronounce the English right and is never seen again.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts at April 09, 2022 09:24 PM (ISz30)

Maybe we're all just some of Falstaff's drunken friends. I guess that makes Ace Falstaff.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 09, 2022 09:27 PM (q3gwH)

223 BourbonChicken...excellent!!!

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at April 09, 2022 09:27 PM (BgMrQ)

224 222 Maybe we're all just some of Falstaff's drunken friends. I guess that makes Ace Falstaff.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 09, 2022 09:27 PM (q3gwH)

===

Who is Hal?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts at April 09, 2022 09:28 PM (ISz30)

225 Tom Servo...YES, ace is a Falstaffian character, without the fall from grace. Though I picture the Horde more as Henry V's retinue...

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at April 09, 2022 09:29 PM (BgMrQ)

226 Who is Hal?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts at April 09, 2022 09:28 PM (ISz30)

Not Garrett. He's King of the Fairies.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 09, 2022 09:30 PM (q3gwH)

227 I'd want to be the third pirate in "Pericles". My only line:

"Half-part, mates, half-part.
Come, let's have her aboard suddenly"

Posted by: fd at April 09, 2022 09:30 PM (vrz2I)

228 I recently saw "Throw Down" which was Chinese film director, Johnnie To's homage to Kurosawa.

It centers around judo, as did Kurosawa first film.

It's really just a delightful movie. And snuck it's way into my Top 20.

The plot concerns 3 people in the lower strata of society, a burned out drunk judo champion, a young up and coming judo fighter, who will fight anyone anywhere, and a youngish woman trying to become a star. They meet come together, clash, and come together and in unexpected ways get a chance to make their dreams come true.

It may still be on the Criterion Channel but you can also stream it on Prime.

Highest recommendation.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 09, 2022 09:31 PM (5NkmN)

229 TheJamesMadison's Phone, read some movie thoughts...ooh, that's a toughie. Who's young Henry...

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at April 09, 2022 09:32 PM (BgMrQ)

230 Tom Servo...you owe me a new monitor!!!

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at April 09, 2022 09:32 PM (BgMrQ)

231
Not Garrett. He's King of the Fairies.
Posted by: Tom Servo

not the goblin king in laborinth?

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (UgAdJ) - at April 09, 2022 09:32 PM (UgAdJ)

232 Highest recommendation.
Posted by: naturalfake

Thank you! I'm on it.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at April 09, 2022 09:33 PM (snpvX)

233 *looks at big long fancy-pants review of hoidy-toidy highbrow artsy-fartsy flix, as usual*

*looks at pathetic list of movies I watched this week, too lowbrow and embarrassing to name*

*sulks away, waiting for the ONT*

Posted by: mindful webworker - new short video webwork, Lonely Man, linked in nic at April 09, 2022 09:35 PM (ukvlZ)

234 225 Tom Servo...YES, ace is a Falstaffian character, without the fall from grace. Though I picture the Horde more as Henry V's retinue...
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at April 09, 2022 09:29 PM (BgMrQ)

Harry the king, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester,
Be in their flowing cups freshly remember'd.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember'd;
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 09, 2022 09:36 PM (q3gwH)

235 I'd like to be Puck or Ariel

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at April 09, 2022 09:36 PM (lCui1)

236 I only saw 2 stage plays, Hello Dolly on Broadway, and A Christmas Carol at the old Township Auditorium In Columbia SC, same place I saw Gorgeous George wrassle. I is a redneck.

Posted by: Eromero at April 09, 2022 09:37 PM (0OP+5)

237 *sulks away, waiting for the ONT*
Posted by: mindful webworker

y'all welcome to watch rick & morty with me & smash.

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (UgAdJ) - at April 09, 2022 09:37 PM (UgAdJ)

238 *looks at big long fancy-pants review of hoidy-toidy highbrow artsy-fartsy flix, as usual*
*looks at pathetic list of movies I watched this week, too lowbrow and embarrassing to name*
*sulks away, waiting for the ONT*
Posted by: mindful webworker - new short video webwork, Lonely Man, linked in nic at April 09, 2022 09:35 PM (ukvlZ)

Now, now...there's nothing hoidy-toidy about Kurosawa.

Bergman, Fellini...yeah acquired tastes. Kurosawa's just good fun.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at April 09, 2022 09:38 PM (BgMrQ)

239 Ugh just saw the most awful ad about the joy of having a transgender kid
By glaad

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at April 09, 2022 09:38 PM (lCui1)

240 Harry the king, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester,
Be in their flowing cups freshly remember'd.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember'd;
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 09, 2022 09:36 PM (q3gwH)

Is that not the Horde writ large??? I ask you...

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at April 09, 2022 09:39 PM (BgMrQ)

241 237: Well, there are times that Rick & Morty can be deeply profound and sad. Lots of layers in that show between the belching, dark bitter humor, and violence. I like it.

Posted by: Puddleglum at April 09, 2022 09:40 PM (sAmhv)

242 vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion...Team Ariel.
Puck is too tricksie...

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at April 09, 2022 09:41 PM (BgMrQ)

243 239 Ugh just saw the most awful ad about the joy of having a transgender kid
By glaad
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at April 09, 2022 09:38 PM (lCui1)
I mute all ads when Mrs. E makes we watch tv but I have to admit if I don't know who not to do business with the commercials will tell me.

Posted by: Eromero at April 09, 2022 09:41 PM (0OP+5)

244 Tom, I remember Richard Chanberlain in Shogun now. The book I read Shogun twice, and Tai Pan. Interesting reads.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'the whole kittenkaboodle are in cahoots' at April 09, 2022 09:42 PM (KItfg)

245 Wow..sitting on the front porch and neighbor across the street started up the fire pit. Her two little kids are nearby and some rap song comes on and every other word is fuck. Mom of the year right there. Boyfriend is there (husband got kicked to the curb). This is what's wrong all across this country.

Posted by: Jewells45 at April 09, 2022 09:42 PM (nxdel)

246 I watched Risen last night. I really love this movie.

Joseph Fiennes needs to be in more movies. and Tom Felton was excellent. Moving away from his Draco Malfoy thing.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at April 09, 2022 09:42 PM (x8Wzq)

247 Risen is great
Reminds me of The Robe

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at April 09, 2022 09:44 PM (lCui1)

248 I watched Risen last night. I really love this movie.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well

It's available on Roku. I intend to watch it this week.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at April 09, 2022 09:44 PM (snpvX)

249 Wow..sitting on the front porch and neighbor across the street started up the fire pit. Her two little kids are nearby and some rap song comes on and every other word is fuck. Mom of the year right there. Boyfriend is there (husband got kicked to the curb). This is what's wrong all across this country.
Posted by: Jewells45 at April 09, 2022 09:42 PM (nxdel)

Agree. Who prepped, lit, and is tending the fire?

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 09, 2022 09:44 PM (4I/2K)

250 Where the Asian pron at?

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 09, 2022 09:45 PM (II3Gr)

251 Ok, sometimes i feel crazy for saving food etc. i mean you walk into our grocery stores and aside from some items they are filled with product. And this is America.

Are the majority of the hoard saving food and other items for a for a rainy day?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'the whole kittenkaboodle are in cahoots' at April 09, 2022 09:45 PM (KItfg)

252 Wife hates Toshiro Mifune because married a girl 30 or 40 yrs younger than him. "Saitei guy" she calls him.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at April 09, 2022 09:45 PM (fv27Y)

253 I watched Risen last night. I really love this movie.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well

A documentary about bread dough? How exciting could that possibly be?

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 09, 2022 09:46 PM (II3Gr)

254 245 Wow..sitting on the front porch and neighbor across the street started up the fire pit. Her two little kids are nearby and some rap song comes on and every other word is fuck. Mom of the year right there. Boyfriend is there (husband got kicked to the curb). This is what's wrong all across this country.
Posted by: Jewells45 at April 09, 2022 09:42 PM (nxdel)
I'm amazed I'm still here after wanting to put a 230gr .45acp in some bastard's radio 30 years ago.

Posted by: Eromero at April 09, 2022 09:46 PM (0OP+5)

255 Wife hates Toshiro Mifune because married a girl 30 or 40 yrs younger than him. "Saitei guy" she calls him.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert

Just one more reason to think he's the coolest Mofo ever.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at April 09, 2022 09:46 PM (snpvX)

256 Are the majority of the hoard saving food and other items for a for a rainy day?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob

They were talking about it at the end of the Hobby thread

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at April 09, 2022 09:47 PM (lCui1)

257 Who prepped, lit, and is tending the fire?

The boyfriend. They are all out there now. And I sleep with my window open. I'm sure I'll get to hear many more wonderful enlightening songs tonight.

Posted by: Jewells45 at April 09, 2022 09:47 PM (nxdel)

258 Wow..sitting on the front porch and neighbor across the street started up the fire pit. Her two little kids are nearby and some rap song comes on and every other word is fuck. Mom of the year right there. Boyfriend is there (husband got kicked to the curb). This is what's wrong all across this country.
Posted by: Jewells45 at April 09, 2022 09:42 PM (nxdel)

Charming.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 09, 2022 09:47 PM (II3Gr)

259 Agree. Who prepped, lit, and is tending the fire?
Posted by: Count de Monet at April 09, 2022 09:44 PM (4I/2K)

I did a bad thing today - I was with my 10 year old grandson, who is starting to listen to rap (can't keep the kids away from it) so I let him hear the only rap song I really like - from Ludacris. (Steve Inman loves it too) I think of it every day when I'm driving.

I'll bet most of you know it well.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 09, 2022 09:48 PM (q3gwH)

260 I'm amazed I'm still here after wanting to put a 230gr .45acp in some bastard's radio 30 years ago.
Posted by: Eromero at April 09, 2022 09:46 PM (0OP+5)

It's worse in todays world. Everybody seems to feel their life needs a soundtrack 24/7/365...

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at April 09, 2022 09:48 PM (BgMrQ)

261 Just finished watching "The Night House" on HBO.

It's a slow burn thriller/horror movie.

Have you ever seen a movie where the acting is great, the writing is crisp, directing on point, your interest is high and the movie completely goes flat in the last three minutes.
Yep, that's this one. The writer, director, whoever couldn't stick the landing because of their, I don't know, desire to make some kind of philosophical point, that makes zero sense within the context of the movie or anywhere for that matter.

Works out to be a waste of time because of that.
Avoid.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 09, 2022 09:48 PM (5NkmN)

262 Cannibal Bob is saving food. What are their names?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 09, 2022 09:48 PM (fsetr)

263 Are the majority of the hoard saving food and other items for a for a rainy day?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'the whole kittenkaboodle are in cahoots' at April 09, 2022 09:45 PM (KItfg)

Yes. Or another late summer hurricane power outage. Or another Texas winter icestorm where we are without power AND slowly freezing in the dark. And as a small hedge against food outages and price increases.

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 09, 2022 09:48 PM (4I/2K)

264 I don't think that's quite right, Ace is not Falstaff. Ace's virtues are buried under the surface.

Harry is correct when he kicks Falstaff to the curb. That is the reason it hurts so much. Had someone given him an undeserved turn, he would have just continued on his way.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 09, 2022 09:49 PM (ybIRR)

265 Are the majority of the hoard saving food and other items for a for a rainy day?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob

I doubt a majority of any population is just yet. Even here.

Posted by: Tonypete at April 09, 2022 09:49 PM (Msys3)

266 "Tom, I remember Richard Chanberlain in Shogun now. The book I read Shogun twice"

I wish they'd remake it and not leave out a whole buncha stuff AND NOT CHANGE THE BLOODY ENDING like hollywood seems to always want to do. At the beginning you can see the shadow of the helicopter filming the ship.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at April 09, 2022 09:49 PM (fv27Y)

267 262 Cannibal Bob is saving food. What are their names?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 09, 2022 09:48 PM

Never name your cattle.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. Honker. at April 09, 2022 09:50 PM (II3Gr)

268 Groundskeeper Willie is THE Highlander.

Posted by: klaftern at April 09, 2022 09:50 PM (taPSh)

269 246 I watched Risen last night. I really love this movie.

Joseph Fiennes needs to be in more movies. and Tom Felton was excellent. Moving away from his Draco Malfoy thing.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at April 09, 2022 09:42 PM (x8Wzq)

Must run in the family. His bother is Ralph Fiennes, quite the actor himself. He. Ralph, made one of my all time favorite movies, "The Grand Budapest Hotel"

Posted by: Javems at April 09, 2022 09:50 PM (AmoqO)

270 Nood. Calling all Corgies.

Posted by: Heidi at April 09, 2022 09:51 PM (KItfg)

271 The first song I ever heard motherfcukers in was by Jefferson Airplane back in the 60s with the line 'up against the wall, motherfcukers'. This didn't start last week.

Posted by: Eromero at April 09, 2022 09:51 PM (0OP+5)

272 264 I don't think that's quite right, Ace is not Falstaff. Ace's virtues are buried under the surface.
Harry is correct when he kicks Falstaff to the curb. That is the reason it hurts so much. Had someone given him an undeserved turn, he would have just continued on his way.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 09, 2022 09:49 PM (ybIRR)

ace is the hail fellow, well met...much like when we are introduced to Falstaff.

ace is not the Falstaff who was kicked to the curb.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at April 09, 2022 09:52 PM (BgMrQ)

273 265 Are the majority of the hoard saving food and other items for a for a rainy day?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob

I doubt a majority of any population is just yet. Even here.
Posted by: Tonypete at April 09, 2022 09:49 PM (Msys3)

We are working on it. the thing is, we have a lot of stuff in freezers. We are now looking or a good generator. Kinda hate these interesting times.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at April 09, 2022 09:52 PM (x8Wzq)

274 I doubt a majority of any population is just yet. Even here.

Posted by: Tonypete at April 09, 2022 09:49 PM (Msys3)

Thanks. I keep saying, 'well, I'll have plenty of food even if it doesn't SMOD.

And definitely about Shogun. Ready to read it agai.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'the whole kittenkaboodle are in cahoots' at April 09, 2022 09:52 PM (KItfg)

275 Been watching Drive with Ryan Gossling (sp?). It's a good "small" movie. Hollywood should make more like this. Plus Albert Brooks is the heavy. Albert Brooks! Plus Real Life starts at 9:15 Central on Pluto TV. Haven't seen it in years.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at April 09, 2022 09:53 PM (snpvX)

276 Have you ever seen a movie where the acting is great, the writing is crisp, directing on point, your interest is high and the movie completely goes flat (OR STOOPID!!!) in the last three minutes.

the 9th gate.
Picnic at Hanging Rock
The entire Battlestar Galactica Reboot.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 09, 2022 09:53 PM (q3gwH)

277 Are the majority of the hoard saving food and other items for a for a rainy day?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'the whole kittenkaboodle are in cahoots' at April 09, 2022 09:45 PM (KItfg)
--

I am as a "just in case" cache to tide me over if there's a rough period of adjustment between Disco Caligula World and Colander Facemask World.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at April 09, 2022 09:54 PM (Dc2NZ)

278 The boyfriend. They are all out there now. And I sleep with my window open. I'm sure I'll get to hear many more wonderful enlightening songs tonight.
Posted by: Jewells45 at April 09, 2022 09:47 PM (nxdel)

One of his many talents, no doubt.

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 09, 2022 09:54 PM (4I/2K)

279 One thing I m doing when we move away from here is dig a root cellar. Dad grew taters and would store them in our root cellar. The old ways are best, very often.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at April 09, 2022 09:55 PM (x8Wzq)

280 Cannibal Bob is saving food. What are their names?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 09, 2022 09:48 PM (fsetr).

Duke! Out on good behavior.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'the whole kittenkaboodle are in cahoots' at April 09, 2022 09:55 PM (KItfg)

281 275: Yea, 'Drive' is a really good movie.

Posted by: Puddleglum at April 09, 2022 09:55 PM (sAmhv)

282 I am as a "just in case" cache to tide me over if there's a rough period of adjustment between Disco Caligula World and Colander Facemask World.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at April 09, 2022 09:54 PM (Dc2NZ)

Hilarious.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'the whole kittenkaboodle are in cahoots' at April 09, 2022 09:56 PM (KItfg)

283 We had annoying neighbors. Once.

I hooked up my stereo speakers to the computer and blasted video game noise. Mostly gunfire.

They quieted down. But the next day the neighbor's wife was a little pissy with me. I casually mentioned I could make the sounds from authentic weapons if she preferred.

Interestingly, they moved out a couple months later.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at April 09, 2022 10:15 PM (BFigT)

284 "Runaway Train" was an abandoned and resurrected Kurosawa project. It's a favorite of mine. No, it was never slated to be set in Japan. But a runaway bullet train would truly kick ass - san.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 09, 2022 10:24 PM (videA)

285 75-- The Last Samurai was based on a true event. But, of course, the studio had to tart it up with a "White Saviour." But I do like the music.

Years ago, I was all set to see Windtalkers, about the Navajo code talkers. But, no, it really wasn't about the code talkers themselves but the white guy with orders to kill them if it looked like they were going to be captured by the Japanese. If you dug down deep enough, Shotgun was based on true events. And there was actually an English pilot who got stranded in Japan, but he certainly wasn't even vaguely as important as Anjin-san.

The events these and other such movies are based on are interesting and important enough to stand on their own without injecting a totally unnecessary white guy to save the day.

I've always thought of Kagemusha as Shotgun from the other side.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- bitterly clinging to the deplorable life '70s style! at April 09, 2022 11:04 PM (HVZDN)

286 I just got done waiting for over an hour for a couple of pizzas at a restaurant and to keep myself entertained (after all of out own conversations died out) I eves dropped on the table next to us. They were a bunch of grey haired libs and one of them was trying to explain "let's go Brandon" to the others. The only thing he got right was NASCAR. But in his description he clearly melded the Bubba Wallace hate crime* and the Brandon story and said that the "let's go Brandon" was comparing the president unfavorably to Bubba because we are all a bunch of racists.

He would later blame Trump for the Ukraine war because Trump invented fake news and Putin learned from this and used it in his favor to...blah, blah blah....

I couldn't believe that someone could be so wrong and so confident at the same time.




*real hate crime to them, hoax to everyone else

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at April 09, 2022 11:32 PM (h1jJh)

287 I am as a "just in case" cache to tide me over if there's a rough period of adjustment between Disco Caligula World and Colander Facemask World

---

That made me laugh. I know who Colander Facemask dude is but who is Disco Caligula?

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at April 09, 2022 11:35 PM (h1jJh)

288 Late to the party, and up in the middle of the night once again. Even Ace's insomnia has rubbed off on me ...

Most excellent review, TJM, and engrossing read. I really appreciate your passion for film and efforts to help enlighten the rest of us.

Love Kurosawa, but have only seen a handful of his movies; I shall endeavor to "be better."

Posted by: ShainS -- They are Child Predators, not Groomers at April 10, 2022 07:51 AM (P69fT)

289 VERY late ,but great essay TJM.

I enjoyed watching along and commenting on your webzone, too.

And yes, Rashomon for #1 for me.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at April 10, 2022 10:35 AM (eeRB6)

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