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The Morning Rant: Unintentionally Hilarious News About Electric Vehicles
EV Range Anxiety Solved By Two (2) Fast Chargers Along Alabama Interstate
Huge news. If you were thinking about taking your Electric Vehicle on a road trip through Alabama for a Gulf Coast vacation, but you suffer from EV range-anxiety, there are now two “fast charging” EV car chargers in Fort Payne, Alabama. Two. And each of these “fast chargers” can only get you up to 80% of battery capacity before it becomes a slow-charger. To “fill up” from 20% charged to 80% charged takes about 30 minutes. Therefore, these two chargers can provide up to four EVs per hour a whopping 60% charge. By contrast, just one typical highway travel center can provide over 100 cars an hour a complete tankful of gas. Fort Payne, Alabama, launches first of 80 rapid rechargers planned in the Tennessee ValleyThe rapid rechargers can boost most electric vehicle batteries from 20% to 80% power within 30 minutes and are being built within 50 miles of one another across most highways in TVA's seven-state region as part of TVA's Fast Charge Network. "These chargers will not only help bring people here, but it will help relieve people's range anxiety by ensuring motorists have a place along this I-59 corridor to rapidly recharge their electric vehicles," Jeanette Mills, executive vice president of TVA, said during Tuesday's ribbon-cutting event.Two fast-chargers along a busy interstate are as worthless as two bottles of water in the middle of the desert. If there were an actual need, they would be woefully insufficient. For a Tesla X, your 30-minute charge-up in Fort Payne will get you about 200 more miles of range, after which you will still be 150 miles away from the beach. And what if there are already cars at those two charging stations? Let’s say there are four cars already there, two cars charging and two more waiting, you’ll be looking at an average 45-minute wait before it’s your turn, plus another 30 minutes to charge your car, plus the disconnect and paying time of each car. So, with only four cars at the charging station, you’re looking at about a 90-minute re-charging stop, for a 60% charge-up. Meanwhile the neighboring travel center could have provided 150 vehicles a full fill-up of gasoline. Further, you and your Tesla still have to factor in another 90-minute charging stop in 200 miles, if you can find another fast-charger, so that you’ll be able to make the final push for the beach. There is nothing that can be done to make an EV a long-distance vehicle. The Tennessee Valley Authority is planning on installing a whopping 80 fast chargers across its seven state network. Those 80 chargers are a statistical blip against the number of gasoline pumps in those states. The highest purpose of an EV is to serve as a status symbol for the wealthy, and also to allow greens to flaunt their eco-conscious conspicuous consumption. The second highest purpose of an EV is as a city-car that can be recharged every day. Close to zero people who need to use their car for an out-of-town road trip will ever rely on an EV for that purpose. They might have an EV as a toy or as a second car, but they’ll use a gas-powered car for their road trips.
Twenty-six. Not 26,000. GM sold 26 EVs between October 1 and December 31, 2021.
GM Sold Just 26 EVs Including 1 Hummer In Q4 ’21According to figures released by the automaker, during the fourth quarter of 2021 it delivered a grand total of 26 electric vehicles. These consisted of 25 Bolt EV and Bolt EUV models and a single GMC Hummer EV pickup.That is really extraordinary, in the sense that the Hindenburg explosion was also extraordinary. Was it due to supply chain problems? No. It’s because GM was dealing with the crisis of its existing EVs spontaneously bursting into flames.
What’s not mentioned is that GM also went through a huge battery recall of the Bolt EV and EUV which forced the company to suspend production.So how big was the recall? Every single Chevy Bolt - which is GM’s flagship EV - was recalled. “The company recalled all 141,000 Chevy Bolts, later confirming that 16 cars had caught fire.” (11/15/2021) What were Bolt owners supposed to do with their four-wheeled bombs until they could get them in to be repaired? “General Motors on Wednesday recommended that Chevrolet Bolt electric vehicle owners parking in decks do so on the top floor or on an open level, at least 50 feet away from other vehicles, citing potential fire risks.” (9/15/2021) Wow, good thing that EVs are just a niche vehicle for GM. Oh wait… GM to go all electric by 2035, phase out gas and diesel engines (01/28/2021) Unless all freedom has been lost in this country thanks to green communists, gas and diesel powered vehicles will still rule the roads in 2035. If GM does go all-electric, it will simply become a small niche vehicle manufacturer. But at this point, another bankruptcy seems more likely. [buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com]
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: kallisto at February 04, 2022 11:01 AM (DJFLF)
Posted by: fd at February 04, 2022 11:01 AM (vrz2I)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 04, 2022 11:02 AM (RkC6l)
Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 04, 2022 11:02 AM (Uk7B3)
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at February 04, 2022 11:02 AM (PiwSw)
But it's the future. Like jet packs and flying cars.
Posted by: fd at February 04, 2022 11:02 AM (vrz2I)
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 04, 2022 11:02 AM (mZOHK)
Posted by: Diogenes at February 04, 2022 11:03 AM (axyOa)
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at February 04, 2022 11:03 AM (Kz9dH)
Posted by: BignJames at February 04, 2022 11:03 AM (AwYPR)
Posted by: fd at February 04, 2022 11:03 AM (vrz2I)
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 04, 2022 11:03 AM (mZOHK)
Posted by: Roy at February 04, 2022 11:04 AM (Rwq27)
NOTE: That does not include the cost of power and transmission to those stations.
Posted by: rhennigantx at February 04, 2022 11:04 AM (yrol0)
Someday I might have to go Toyota/Lexus.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at February 04, 2022 11:04 AM (txdEq)
Oh yeah like I am going to get in an overgrown toy and let it fly me where it may.
Posted by: fd at February 04, 2022 11:05 AM (vrz2I)
Fifty miles? I think that's plenty . Where can I buy? I'll take two.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at February 04, 2022 11:05 AM (Kz9dH)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 04, 2022 11:05 AM (sVfvf)
Posted by: Roy at February 04, 2022 11:05 AM (Rwq27)
Posted by: Diogenes at February 04, 2022 11:03 AM (axyOa)
There's also the nasty problem of automatically dying if there's any engine problems.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 04, 2022 11:06 AM (mZOHK)
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Right. EVs are a local tool, perhaps a superlocal/regional tool. They are not a long-haul or intermediate-haul tool. And for most people, most of the time, that's fine. But the flexibility to use your daily hauler and runabout for a long trip approaches zero with an EV.
And as people are forced into EVs (which is what the state clearly wants to have happen, for various reasons), everything that depends on "I can leave when I want for a trip" will vanish. Beach trips, mountain cabins, national parks, small out-of-the-way attractions and resorts, skiing, etc. will all likely stop happening. Big things like beaches will survive it, but everything small will just disappear. Anything off the beaten path or little or out-of-the-way will likely just stop being a thing and go out of business.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 04, 2022 11:06 AM (DU+/6)
Posted by: Diogenes at February 04, 2022 11:03 AM (axyOa)
I am confident that I will get my preferred suburban vehicle* before electric quad copters become available.
*M1 Abrams with a full load of beehive rounds.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 04, 2022 11:07 AM (XIJ/X)
We would also need to massively upgrade our electrical infrastructure and around 4 petawatts of generation,etc.
This would probably put us roughly 60 trillion dollars in debt but as long as we are contemplating skittle shitting unicorns, let's dream big.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 04, 2022 11:07 AM (Uk7B3)
Posted by: REDACTED at February 04, 2022 11:07 AM (us2H3)
Posted by: Ol' Sparky, the electric chair at February 04, 2022 11:07 AM (m45I2)
Posted by: Martini Farmer at February 04, 2022 11:07 AM (BFigT)
Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at February 04, 2022 11:07 AM (8D42x)
Posted by: Eisenhorn at February 04, 2022 11:07 AM (7Nhxw)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius
Over the years, we and the kids have/have nothing but Toyotas and one Infiniti. Most of them have at least 200K miles on them. We do all the regular maintenance and no one has ever been stranded. Do it!
Posted by: Tonypete at February 04, 2022 11:08 AM (mD/uy)
Posted by: BignJames "
That does give me an idea. Mobile charging units. You could sell a ton of them to AAA.
Posted by: fd at February 04, 2022 11:08 AM (vrz2I)
(con't)
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at February 04, 2022 11:08 AM (2NHgQ)
That's why I'd like an EV the size of a Miata or Mini just for inner city travel.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at February 04, 2022 11:08 AM (Kz9dH)
Posted by: Ol' Sparky, the electric chair at February 04, 2022 11:07 AM (m45I2)
Shocked, I say!
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at February 04, 2022 11:08 AM (PiwSw)
( shakes hesd)
Working at job yesterday with car battery chargers seemingly free, guess you can go to work and charge
Posted by: Skip's Phone at February 04, 2022 11:08 AM (kaqTx)
Posted by: BignJames at February 04, 2022 11:08 AM (AwYPR)
Posted by: Roy at February 04, 2022 11:04 AM (Rwq27)
There are hundreds of pics of roadside diesel genset chargers.
Posted by: rhennigantx at February 04, 2022 11:08 AM (yrol0)
We always discuss current events at the HQ.
Posted by: fd at February 04, 2022 11:08 AM (vrz2I)
Posted by: Ol' Sparky
Don't get all charged up about it!
(Shocking, amirite?)
Posted by: Tonypete at February 04, 2022 11:08 AM (mD/uy)
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I'd say I have more ED Range Anxiety, followed by some EV Range Hesitancy.
Put me down as an EV-denier ...
Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at February 04, 2022 11:09 AM (743lG)
Posted by: Notorious BFD at February 04, 2022 11:09 AM (Xrfse)
Duh.
Posted by: nurse ratched at February 04, 2022 11:09 AM (W2Pud)
Posted by: Count de Monet at February 04, 2022 11:09 AM (4I/2K)
Posted by: Wally at February 04, 2022 11:10 AM (FJYfm)
Or some such shit...
Posted by: Martini Farmer at February 04, 2022 11:10 AM (BFigT)
Posted by: fd at February 04, 2022 11:10 AM (vrz2I)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at February 04, 2022 11:10 AM (XvPQV)
Posted by: Diogenes at February 04, 2022 11:03 AM (axyOa)
There is a lot of money being poured into this. But some of the biggest hurdles are logistics, how to traffic control all that, and regulatory probably a whole new cfr part because 23 or 25 wouldn't be appropriate.
Posted by: banana Dream at February 04, 2022 11:10 AM (l6b3d)
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at February 04, 2022 11:10 AM (Kz9dH)
Posted by: REDACTED at February 04, 2022 11:07 AM (us2H3)
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Still no spare tire, though, right?
Posted by: No One of Consequence at February 04, 2022 11:10 AM (CAJOC)
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at February 04, 2022 11:03 AM (Kz9dH)
towable diesel gensets...
Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at February 04, 2022 11:11 AM (8D42x)
Now Cuisinart has a 3 year warranty so I'm good. Took me about 10 days to get what I needed from their customer service group. Replies by mail and always early in the morning, like 1am. Must be in a another country. Bottom line I had to send them pictures with the power cord cut off and they are sending me a new one. Which I will donate since it's a piece of crap. Already bought a Breville toaster oven
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at February 04, 2022 11:11 AM (2NHgQ)
It will be a niche only vehicle, good for a second car to run around town and get charged up at home every night.
If you've got the money for a niche car, go ahead.
But government cannot stand people making their own decisions, so we're gonna end up with mandates to auto companies like cafe standards that can't be met.
They and we will be stuck with this inefficient vehicle as long as there are stupid politicians.
Which means forever.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at February 04, 2022 11:11 AM (MFphb)
Posted by: Lost My Cookies at February 04, 2022 11:11 AM (/N8ur)
You'll have to plan for a month for a "day trip".
Posted by: BignJames at February 04, 2022 11:11 AM (AwYPR)
Duh.
Posted by: nurse ratched at February 04, 2022 11:09 AM (W2Pud)
Windmills on cars would kill too many birds. We need to be environmentally conscious. Already we have murdered the dreams of our children with our endless lies about economic growth. We must listen, and learn.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 04, 2022 11:12 AM (mZOHK)
Posted by: InCali at February 04, 2022 11:12 AM (eFvmN)
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at February 04, 2022 11:12 AM (PiwSw)
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In
******
That would work okay. You just have to drive until you find another outlet, then have your passenger walk back and unplug the cord...
...oh, wait a minute I think I see the problem
Posted by: Muldoon at February 04, 2022 11:12 AM (m45I2)
Posted by: Wally at February 04, 2022 11:10 AM (FJYfm)
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This is true - batteries wear out - but what's far worse is that the behavior that makes your EV livable is the same behavior that wears out your batteries quickly: fast charging.
Fast charging can only take your batteries (whether it's an EV or your phone or your laptop) to ~80% because shoving energy in at that rate is really bad for them. It creates a lot of heat and wear-out and you can't do it at the top of the charge. Fast-charging makes it possible to live with your EV, but it also amplifies the battery wear-out problem. If you "supercharge" all the time, your battery life expectancy is going to be a lot lower than the guy who never "supercharges."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 04, 2022 11:13 AM (DU+/6)
You could also hook a generator up to each wheel. You'd have power to spare.
Posted by: fd at February 04, 2022 11:13 AM (vrz2I)
Posted by: Infidel at February 04, 2022 11:13 AM (qpolg)
Posted by: InCali at February 04, 2022 11:12 AM (eFvmN)
They'll work by reservation only from an app on your phone.
Posted by: Count de Monet at February 04, 2022 11:13 AM (4I/2K)
Duh.
Posted by: nurse ratched at February 04, 2022 11:09 AM (W2Pud)
Windmills on cars would kill too many birds. We need to be environmentally conscious. Already we have murdered the dreams of our children with our endless lies about economic growth. We must listen, and learn.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 04, 2022 11:12 AM (mZOHK)
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Spinning hubcaps were ahead of their time...
Posted by: No One of Consequence at February 04, 2022 11:13 AM (CAJOC)
Posted by: UDM at February 04, 2022 11:13 AM (NtJ8s)
And the government doesn't have to build it with tax dollars, so one will come along and build the travel center simply because there is a need to have one.
Posted by: mikethemoose at February 04, 2022 11:13 AM (T/vhV)
Posted by: NR Pax at February 04, 2022 11:13 AM (4olE8)
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at February 04, 2022 11:14 AM (2NHgQ)
Posted by: Ol' Sparky, the electric chair
Watts wrong with that
Posted by: 7man at February 04, 2022 11:14 AM (qwO6y)
Posted by: banana Dream at February 04, 2022 11:14 AM (l6b3d)
Duh.
Posted by: nurse ratched at February 04, 2022 11:09 AM (W2Pud)
Windmills on cars would kill too many birds. We need to be environmentally conscious. Already we have murdered the dreams of our children with our endless lies about economic growth. We must listen, and learn.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 04, 2022 11:12 AM (mZOHK)
EV's should have removable floor panels so you can go Flintstone-mode if you accidentally run out of juice.
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at February 04, 2022 11:14 AM (dfRN6)
Posted by: Martini Farmer at February 04, 2022 11:14 AM (BFigT)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 04, 2022 11:13 AM (DU+/6)
Shut up and trust the science!
Posted by: In Reel Life (yes, dummy, on purpose) at February 04, 2022 11:15 AM (QYPq3)
but that's 26 more than they would have sold if they didn't sell any!!
at long last, sir, have you no decency?
Posted by: mallfly the Georgia Peach at February 04, 2022 11:15 AM (Ynyl9)
People aren't going to put up with the range problem. They simply won't stand for it.
These promises will be walked back.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at February 04, 2022 11:15 AM (nIoDN)
And I'm not getting to the grid issues this would cause...yes, I'll be driving with gas for a LONG time. Anyone wants to make gas vehicles more efficient - that's fine.
Posted by: Nova local at February 04, 2022 11:15 AM (exHjb)
Posted by: The Tin Man at February 04, 2022 11:15 AM (FJG7h)
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid, just spitballin' here at February 04, 2022 11:15 AM (n/szn)
Fast charging can only take your batteries (whether it's an EV or your phone or your laptop) to ~80% because shoving energy in at that rate is really bad for them. It creates a lot of heat and wear-out and you can't do it at the top of the charge. Fast-charging makes it possible to live with your EV, but it also amplifies the battery wear-out problem. If you "supercharge" all the time, your battery life expectancy is going to be a lot lower than the guy who never "supercharges."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 04, 2022 11:13 AM (DU+/6)
Maybe you could generate electricity by running a steam turbine off the heat of the burning batteries.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 04, 2022 11:15 AM (mZOHK)
Ride Of The Valkyries. Scares the hell out of 'em.
Posted by: fd at February 04, 2022 11:15 AM (vrz2I)
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I read a biography of Elon Musk about five years ago -- interesting cat, and undoubtedly a genius. One of the ideas that I thought was brilliant, but they haven't implemented obviously, was to make the batteries easily exchangeable.
You park over a pit at an exchange center, a robotic arm pulls out your uncharged battery and installs a fully-charged battery, and you drive off.
I imagine some of you better-read commenters can explain why this is either unfeasible or why it hasn't been implemented yet. Perhaps just too costly? Not sure what people would pay for this, but if you've already blown all that money on a status symbol ...
Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at February 04, 2022 11:15 AM (743lG)
Posted by: Jordan61 at February 04, 2022 11:16 AM (Ez6QX)
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at February 04, 2022 11:05 AM (Kz9dH)
Check out Zevaaero.com
I'm guessing they are still 18 months from production, but they have a pathway ahead. They are already into untethered flight testing.
Posted by: Diogenes at February 04, 2022 11:16 AM (axyOa)
Does that mean that the Ottawa PD tw@ttage this a.m. is just a mindfvck?
(tinyurl would not let me shorten this)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or6pax3rQvc
Posted by: kallisto at February 04, 2022 11:17 AM (DJFLF)
But what cannot be escaped is how electricity is generated. And that is the part where EV enthusiasts show their asses.
Electricity does not come from a hole in the wall in much the same way food doesn't come from a grocery store. But...they simply refuse to understand this.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at February 04, 2022 11:17 AM (KbCG3)
I don't mind EV's. I think they are toys, not serious tools, however. Of them, Toyota and Tesla make the best. Toyota has pretty well nailed down hybrids with their horrible but popular and effective Prius. Tesla is the the high-tech plus luxury car for people with more money than problems.
GM EV's flat out suck. I knew that even before Buck posted their sales figures. Nobody wants them, nobody drives them.
They're fine for city drives, where you wind up at home at the end of the day and can charge up overnight. But the idea of GM killing all their functioning vehicles for imaginary EVs is laughable. I am laughing.
But I'm also thinking of girls on trampolines in sarongs, so that might also be why I'm laughing.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at February 04, 2022 11:17 AM (XvPQV)
Posted by: Diogenes at February 04, 2022 11:16 AM (axyOa)
I would imagine this would be the FAA's worst nightmare....
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at February 04, 2022 11:17 AM (PiwSw)
Posted by: SDN at February 04, 2022 11:17 AM (5i0hy)
Posted by: NR Pax
Screw that. It's only 11 here now.
Posted by: Infidel at February 04, 2022 11:17 AM (qpolg)
Posted by: Ol' Sparky, the electric chair
You need to relax. I recommend meditation and light chanting.
Ohmmmmmm.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 04, 2022 11:17 AM (KYKwc)
Posted by: Picric at February 04, 2022 11:17 AM (/aXHl)
Posted by: Ol' Sparky, the electric chair at February 04, 2022
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The Resistance is real.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at February 04, 2022 11:17 AM (txdEq)
Posted by: UDM at February 04, 2022 11:18 AM (NtJ8s)
Posted by: Jen Psaki at February 04, 2022 11:18 AM (QYPq3)
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid, just spitballin' here at February 04, 2022 11:18 AM (n/szn)
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at February 04, 2022 11:18 AM (ewBGW)
Posted by: Diogenes at February 04, 2022 11:03 AM (axyOa)
I am confident that I will get my preferred suburban vehicle* before electric quad copters become available.
*M1 Abrams with a full load of beehive rounds.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 04, 2022 11:07 AM (XIJ/X)
Well...if you're gonna go first class...
Posted by: Diogenes at February 04, 2022 11:18 AM (axyOa)
There you are thinking this is about the environment. No no. This is about limiting where you can go and what you can do.
Posted by: mikethemoose at February 04, 2022 11:19 AM (T/vhV)
People were divided about that... some can't get past the virtue signaling and will go to their grave praising a shitty car that doesn't work.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at February 04, 2022 11:19 AM (BFigT)
Posted by: Ol' Sparky, the electric chair
Watts wrong with that
Posted by: 7man at February 04, 2022 11:14 AM (qwO6y)
Wow, look at all that resistance to electrical puns
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at February 04, 2022 11:19 AM (XvPQV)
Posted by: Muldoon at February 04, 2022 11:20 AM (m45I2)
Posted by: The Tin Man at February 04, 2022 11:15 AM (FJG7h)
Perfect for the suburbs.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 04, 2022 11:20 AM (XIJ/X)
Posted by: banana Dream at February 04, 2022 11:14 AM (l6b3d)
once upon a time, the common man had horses and the rich had cars.
now, the rich own horses and EV, and the common man owns cars.
how the stables have turned...
Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at February 04, 2022 11:20 AM (8D42x)
Yeah but they aren't for the grubby peasants who shouldn't be taking vacations outside their country anyway. So that should be enough.
Posted by: Ripley at February 04, 2022 11:20 AM (MxEKc)
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Not to worry, Uncle Sam is fat, drunk with power, broke, and ready to bail them out again ... and again ... and again ...
Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at February 04, 2022 11:20 AM (743lG)
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at February 04, 2022 11:20 AM (lpgtQ)
EV flagship is the Volt. The Bolt is little bitty car that I've rented several times and I filled it up with gas.
Posted by: t-bird at February 04, 2022 11:20 AM (oY5A0)
Posted by: Martini Farmer at February 04, 2022 11:19 AM (BFigT)
This too, is the story of the Yellow Dog Democrat.
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at February 04, 2022 11:20 AM (PiwSw)
Posted by: Bonnie Blue - resist we much! at February 04, 2022 11:20 AM (hlxe7)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at February 04, 2022 11:17 AM (txdEq)
You did it better
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at February 04, 2022 11:20 AM (XvPQV)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at February 04, 2022 11:19 AM (XvPQV)
Shocking
Posted by: Boswell at February 04, 2022 11:20 AM (5iUNf)
Posted by: Martini Farmer
We've seen this before (and always will, I suppose)
"If only Uncle Joe knew."
-- Guy being dragged to stand against the wall
Posted by: Tonypete at February 04, 2022 11:21 AM (mD/uy)
Posted by: NR Pax
or we could cool it down damned near immediately with a nuclear winter from the dust clouds from nuking the deplorables.
-some stupid fucking lefty like aoc or the squaddies she hangs with
Posted by: BifBewalski @ (IJES/) - at February 04, 2022 11:21 AM (IJES/)
Posted by: Martini Farmer at February 04, 2022 11:19 AM (BFigT)
But we'll go to our graves fully vaccinated!
Posted by: Karen WineMom at February 04, 2022 11:21 AM (FJYfm)
Are they still making buggy whips?
Posted by: Bonnie Blue - resist we much! at February 04, 2022 11:20 AM (hlxe7)
Yes. Mostly for recreational use. But also for horses.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at February 04, 2022 11:21 AM (XvPQV)
Oh yeah like I am going to get in an overgrown toy and let it fly me where it may.
Posted by: fd at February 04, 2022 11:05 AM (vrz2I)
If I had a spare $100k I would buy a Jetson. They look like way more fun than an ATV
Posted by: RKinRoanoke at February 04, 2022 11:21 AM (krxRg)
Posted by: The Tin Man at February 04, 2022 11:15 AM (FJG7h)
Perfect for the suburbs.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 04, 2022 11:20 AM (XIJ/X)
OK... that was funny.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 04, 2022 11:21 AM (mZOHK)
Reading some of the fan/user websites is pretty funny though. Because as soon as you venture off of the reservation, things change, and quickly. They talk about how they schedule their trips - how long they'll stop at a station and what % they'll be charged to to make it to the next one. The entire road trip revolves around this - and of course it's so wonderful because you meet other like minded individuals.
I have to think in a way it echoes what our forefathers had to do to make a journey. Plan the town or some place to stop and water/rest the horses before you can move on to the next spot. You might not be taking the most direct route there, but it's a matter of survival. Road trips for me also involve a bit of spontaneity - "Look! Alligator Ranch & Llama Emporium, 30 miles that way!" Sorry kids, we have to get to the charging station on the main highway and have 40 minutes to do it!
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at February 04, 2022 11:21 AM (wAnMi)
Posted by: Diogenes at February 04, 2022 11:16 AM (axyOa)
I would imagine this would be the FAA's worst nightmare....
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at February 04, 2022 11:17 AM (PiwSw)
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It'll be interesting to see what they do and how quickly. It took them years to come up with regs for the toy-sized things. Currently airspace under 400 feet AGL is open except in posted controlled airspace. A commute quad copter won't likely get higher than that.
Posted by: Diogenes at February 04, 2022 11:21 AM (axyOa)
Does that mean that the Ottawa PD tw@ttage this a.m. is just a mindfvck?
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No, it means they need a "military solution."
Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at February 04, 2022 11:21 AM (743lG)
Posted by: Martini Farmer at February 04, 2022 11:19 AM (BFigT)
This too, is the story of the Yellow Dog Democrat.
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at February 04, 2022 11:20 AM (PiwSw)
If dems ever released an album, it'd be titled "The Triumph of Emotion."
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at February 04, 2022 11:21 AM (KbCG3)
Posted by: t-bird at February 04, 2022 11:21 AM (oY5A0)
But it's the future. Like jet packs and flying cars.
Posted by: fd at February 04, 2022 11:02 AM (vrz2I)
The left wants it to be the future and isn't upset with that number. Senior Party officials are permitted personal vehicles, proles walk.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at February 04, 2022 11:21 AM (EjmvJ)
Posted by: Tonypete at February 04, 2022 11:22 AM (mD/uy)
So of course GM will discontinue the model in 2023 in order to reuse the brand for their future EV push into the 4 door sedan market.
They have finally gotten the market right and are positioned to compete with Japan and Europe, but instead will piss it away on this EV fantasy.
Posted by: Rosanne Barr at February 04, 2022 11:22 AM (5p7BC)
Shocking
Posted by: Boswell"
We need a short respite.
Posted by: fd at February 04, 2022 11:22 AM (vrz2I)
Posted by: Ol' Sparky
Why the resistance to puns?
Posted by: lurk you longtime at February 04, 2022 11:22 AM (hTWNl)
Posted by: Jordan61 at February 04, 2022 11:22 AM (Ez6QX)
Posted by: t-bird at February 04, 2022 11:20 AM (oY5A0)
You may be thinking of the Spark. The Bolt is a pure EV.
Posted by: spindrift at February 04, 2022 11:22 AM (h5TKJ)
Posted by: Martini Farmer at February 04, 2022 11:19 AM (BFigT)
This too, is the story of the Yellow Dog Democrat.
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at February 04, 2022 11:20 AM (PiwSw)
If dems ever released an album, it'd be titled "The Triumph of Emotion."
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at February 04, 2022 11:21 AM (KbCG3)
Their first single would be "Reality Be Damned."
Every other song is about racism and trannies, though.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at February 04, 2022 11:22 AM (KbCG3)
Posted by: Suburban Wine Moms at February 04, 2022 11:23 AM (Xrfse)
But it's the future. Like jet packs and flying cars.
Posted by: fd at February 04, 2022 11:02 AM (vrz2I)
The left wants it to be the future and isn't upset with that number. Senior Party officials are permitted personal vehicles, proles walk.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at February 04, 2022 11:21 AM (EjmvJ)
I have seen the future: it is murder.
Posted by: Zombie Leonard Cohen at February 04, 2022 11:23 AM (mZOHK)
Posted by: lurk you longtime at February 04, 2022 11:23 AM (hTWNl)
Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at February 04, 2022 11:21 AM (743lG)
how odd would it be to see Canadian military firing on fellow citizens?
Posted by: kallisto at February 04, 2022 11:23 AM (DJFLF)
Posted by: Bonnie Blue
I suppose so. I do know one can buy riding crops in all different models.
What?
Posted by: Tonypete at February 04, 2022 11:23 AM (mD/uy)
Posted by: fd at February 04, 2022 11:22 AM (vrz2I)
Yeah, before someone blows a fuse
Posted by: Boswell at February 04, 2022 11:23 AM (5iUNf)
There you are thinking this is about the environment. No no. This is about limiting where you can go and what you can do.
Posted by: mikethemoose
Individual power plants, your own personal gas driven vehicle, will be replaced with more centralized and controllable power sources.
Posted by: 7man at February 04, 2022 11:23 AM (qwO6y)
Posted by: Bonnie Blue - resist we much! at February 04, 2022 11:23 AM (hlxe7)
Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at February 04, 2022 11:15 AM (743lG)
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It can be done. The robotics are tricky, but another big problem is that in your EV, the battery is a major asset. If you're swapping it around, that means you probably don't own it. How do you handle ownership and leasing problems? Do you want to own a car but lease its fuel source? The maintenance pipeline is also tricky, because batteries - like propane tanks - will wear out. What if you have your battery with 300 mile range removed but get one with a 250 mile range? How wide is the acceptable band? What will range differences post-swap mean for your drive and schedule?
Then there's the cost. Since in such a scheme you're leasing or renting the battery, the outfit that swaps them around has to own them, and they need a *lot* of them. That's pretty serious money tied up in rapidly-depreciating physical assets.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 04, 2022 11:24 AM (DU+/6)
Posted by: Ol' Sparky, the electric chair
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Watts wrong with that
Posted by: 7man at February 04, 2022
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Wow, look at all that resistance to electrical puns
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at February 04, 2022
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Around here, the capacitance for puns is pretty large.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at February 04, 2022 11:24 AM (txdEq)
how odd would it be to see Canadian military firing on fellow citizens?
Posted by: kallisto at February 04, 2022 11:23 AM (DJFLF)
That is almost unthinkable.
Posted by: Zombie Leonard Cohen at February 04, 2022 11:24 AM (mZOHK)
You park over a pit at an exchange center, a robotic arm pulls out your uncharged battery and installs a fully-charged battery, and you drive off.
I imagine some of you better-read commenters can explain why this is either unfeasible or why it hasn't been implemented yet. Perhaps just too costly? Not sure what people would pay for this, but if you've already blown all that money on a status symbol ...
Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at February 04, 2022 11:15 AM (743lG)
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I had this thought while reading the post. It'd be like the propane tank model. Drop off the depleted battery, get a replacement. Station then pops the old into a recharging station, and pops it into another vehicle when fully charged.
Not sure the tech is there for that. Plus, it would require all EVs to have a standardized battery system.
Posted by: No One of Consequence at February 04, 2022 11:24 AM (CAJOC)
Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at February 04, 2022 11:21 AM (743lG)
how odd would it be to see Canadian military firing on fellow citizens?
Posted by: kallisto at February 04, 2022 11:23 AM (DJFLF)
I think the police are signaling that it's not their problem and it's up to the national gov, which put down these rules, to solve the situation.
Posted by: Nova local at February 04, 2022 11:24 AM (exHjb)
Posted by: I've got bad news for you at February 04, 2022 11:24 AM (YgAuc)
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 04, 2022 11:24 AM (mZOHK)
Posted by: Bonnie Blue - resist we much! at February 04, 2022 11:23 AM (hlxe7)
I meant the buggy whip, but forgot my copy/paste.
Posted by: Bonnie Blue - resist we much! at February 04, 2022 11:24 AM (hlxe7)
Posted by: Dogbert at February 04, 2022 11:25 AM (Z9HSN)
Posted by: SturmToddler
Reign it in ST. . . .
Posted by: Tonypete at February 04, 2022 11:22 AM (mD/uy)
Let's stick to the mane topic, please.
Posted by: J. Frank Parnell at February 04, 2022 11:25 AM (O6DoG)
Ive seen and used cordless construction tools for the past 3.5 decades and the tech advancements are pretty amazing. Size, power, endurance and speed of recharge. But using those tools for so many decades in several environments there is no way I want a car or truck EV.
Posted by: Fool Otto at February 04, 2022 11:25 AM (DB16e)
Posted by: It's me donna at February 04, 2022 11:25 AM (pZNr0)
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What?
Posted by: Tonypete at February 04, 2022
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Must Mistress M. discipline you until your hearing improves?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at February 04, 2022 11:25 AM (txdEq)
Posted by: banana Dream at February 04, 2022 11:26 AM (l6b3d)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 04, 2022 11:26 AM (p+1gI)
Changed oil and new tires on 2005 Pilot yesterday. Just at 200K miles. I figure I have another good 5 years easy.
It's been a great vehicle. Needs a new driver's seat but I just put duct tape and then my daughter put a seat cover.
Posted by: RKinRoanoke at February 04, 2022 11:26 AM (krxRg)
Shocking
Posted by: Boswell"
We need a short respite.
Posted by: fd at February 04, 2022 11:22 AM (vrz2I)
Ohm my Gawd! You peeps are killing me.
Posted by: Diogenes at February 04, 2022 11:26 AM (axyOa)
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at February 04, 2022 11:26 AM (ewBGW)
Posted by: It's me donna at February 04, 2022 11:25 AM (pZNr0)
Up or down? It's down but they're tweaking them to look up? Or it's down and they're tweaking them to reflect reality?
Or are they just tweaking?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at February 04, 2022 11:26 AM (XvPQV)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 04, 2022 11:27 AM (RjpM/)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at February 04, 2022 11:27 AM (XvPQV)
Posted by: SturmToddler
Reign it in ST. . . .
Posted by: Tonypete at February 04, 2022 11:22 AM (mD/uy)
Let's stick to the mane topic, please.
Posted by: J. Frank Parnell at February 04, 2022 11:25 AM (O6DoG)
It certainly would behoof us to do so.
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at February 04, 2022 11:27 AM (dfRN6)
That's when the "and so it begins..." guy here will begin earning his keep.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at February 04, 2022 11:27 AM (Xrfse)
Up or down? It's down but they're tweaking them to look up? Or it's down and they're tweaking them to reflect reality?
Or are they just tweaking?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at February 04, 2022 11:26 AM (XvPQV
Up over 400 thousand when it was supposed to lose 300 thousand
Posted by: It's me donna at February 04, 2022 11:28 AM (pZNr0)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 04, 2022 11:28 AM (DU+/6)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 04, 2022 11:24 AM (DU+/6)
Isn't there also the issue of battery disposal? Hazardous material, toxic waste?
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at February 04, 2022 11:28 AM (PiwSw)
Shocking
Posted by: Boswell"
We need a short respite.
Posted by: fd at February 04, 2022 11:22 AM (vrz2I)
Time to flip the switch on this
Posted by: 7man at February 04, 2022 11:28 AM (qwO6y)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at February 04, 2022 11:27 AM (XvPQV)
Not possible. Have another bowl!
Posted by: Count Chocula at February 04, 2022 11:28 AM (h5TKJ)
Posted by: kallisto at February 04, 2022 11:23 AM (DJFLF)
I think the police are signaling that it's not their problem and it's up to the national gov, which put down these rules, to solve the situation.
Posted by: Nova local at February 04, 2022 11:24 AM (exHjb)
I hope thats what they meant. Either way, its classic government equivocation.
Posted by: Diogenes at February 04, 2022 11:28 AM (axyOa)
So of course GM will discontinue the model in 2023 in order to reuse the brand for their future EV push into the 4 door sedan market.
They have finally gotten the market right and are positioned to compete with Japan and Europe, but instead will piss it away on this EV fantasy.
Posted by: Rosanne Barr at February 04, 2022 11:22 AM (5p7BC)
Hello! 'Twas ever thus.
Posted by: 1988 Pontiac Fiero at February 04, 2022 11:28 AM (4I/2K)
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at February 04, 2022 11:21 AM (KbCG3)
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"Tweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet Emooooooooooooootion."
Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at February 04, 2022 11:28 AM (743lG)
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at February 04, 2022 11:28 AM (PiwSw)
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Oh yes, but that's a problem regardless. In a "lease-and-swap" system, that liability gets shifted onto the owner, I would expect. And reflected in your price paid.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 04, 2022 11:29 AM (DU+/6)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at February 04, 2022 11:27 AM (XvPQV)
Not possible. Have another bowl!
Posted by: Count Chocula at February 04, 2022 11:28 AM (h5TKJ)
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I never had Count Chocula. My breakfast cereals never got more exciting than Honey Nut Cheerios.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, laughing with Mel Brooks at February 04, 2022 11:29 AM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid, just spitballin' here at February 04, 2022 11:29 AM (n/szn)
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at February 04, 2022 11:29 AM (PiwSw)
Posted by: Bonnie Blue
it works on the slave girls pulling my cart pretty well.
Posted by: Tarl Cabot, citizen of earth at February 04, 2022 11:29 AM (IJES/)
That's actually much better than I expected.
Posted by: Take Lithiated gp For Vigor at February 04, 2022 11:29 AM (qpX6U)
But the last summer our whole family was on vacation on the Oregon coast and finding a charger was a very big deal. Even though "there is an app" for finding chargers they weren't always accessable.
The eco warriors of the family were all applauding her dedication to saving the planet. The rest of us were all quietly amused at the level of hassle she and her hubby were willing to put up with to virtue signal.
That said, they are very nice cars. But dumb to have for anyone who doesn't get free electricity.
Posted by: Just Lily at February 04, 2022 11:29 AM (QpS+V)
Power is out here. Got the generator operating and the transfer switch is now letting the furnace run.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 04, 2022 11:29 AM (e3L4Y)
Not to mention - there is no need.
1.) Most Tesla owners would rather have an arm wither than set foot in the State of Alabama.
2.) Any Tesla owner who wants to travel long distances owns a real car for that, or will rent one. Nobody wants the headache of a road trip with an EV.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 04, 2022 11:29 AM (Cf/uA)
That's when the "and so it begins..." guy here will begin earning his keep.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at February 04, 2022 11:27 AM (Xrfse)
No shit. Trudeau's gov't would fall faster than you can sneeze if he went military solution.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 04, 2022 11:29 AM (mZOHK)
Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at February 04, 2022 11:29 AM (lSZIs)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at February 04, 2022 11:30 AM (txdEq)
Posted by: BifBewalski @ (IJES/) - at February 04, 2022 11:30 AM (IJES/)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 04, 2022 11:30 AM (sVfvf)
Posted by: Ripley at February 04, 2022 11:30 AM (MxEKc)
Posted by: skywch at February 04, 2022 11:30 AM (sKjat)
Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at February 04, 2022 11:21 AM (743lG)
how odd would it be to see Canadian military firing on fellow citizens?
Posted by: kallisto at February 04, 2022 11:23 AM (DJFLF)
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Well if the Canucks use their military, I hope they do a better job than our guys did in Syria. At least bring back all the helos.
Posted by: Diogenes at February 04, 2022 11:30 AM (axyOa)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, laughing with Mel Brooks at February 04, 2022 11:29 AM (LvTSG)
LOL, same. And I was excited to get that, since usually I got Total or some shit.
Posted by: Jordan61 at February 04, 2022 11:31 AM (Ez6QX)
Posted by: Ripley at February 04, 2022 11:30 AM (MxEKc)
Someone would have to hit the mane breaker.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 04, 2022 11:31 AM (mZOHK)
Shocking
Posted by: Boswell"
We need a short respite.
Posted by: fd at February 04, 2022 11:22 AM (vrz2I)
Time to flip the switch on this
Posted by: 7man
All well grounded commentary
Posted by: lurk you longtime at February 04, 2022 11:31 AM (hTWNl)
I don't think the government is going to break the protest though.
Posted by: Revenant at February 04, 2022 11:31 AM (cOGHc)
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid, just spitballin' here at February 04, 2022 11:29 AM (n/szn)
That battery weighs much more...it acts as the counter-weight for the lift.
Posted by: BignJames at February 04, 2022 11:31 AM (AwYPR)
Posted by: Dave in Fla at February 04, 2022 11:31 AM (5p7BC)
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at February 04, 2022 11:32 AM (lz5hY)
Posted by: Just Lily at February 04, 2022 11:32 AM (QpS+V)
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at February 04, 2022 11:32 AM (sWM8x)
Centerpoint Energy map showing proliferating outages. In 10 minutes it went from 1000 to 5000 customers without power.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 04, 2022 11:32 AM (e3L4Y)
Results were impressive.
Still had 75% charge after 12 hours, including some temperatures in the teens.
Posted by: SMOD at February 04, 2022 11:32 AM (RHGPo)
100 gallons is about $300. An average car will go 3000 miles on that. She must have quite a commute.
Posted by: fd at February 04, 2022 11:32 AM (vrz2I)
We would also need to massively upgrade our electrical infrastructure and around 4 petawatts of generation,etc.
This would probably put us roughly 60 trillion dollars in debt but as long as we are contemplating skittle shitting unicorns, let's dream big.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 04, 2022 11:07 AM (Uk7B3)
Simply having standardized, quickly-swappable batteries would do it. It's worked for flashlights for over a century. No reason a car battery swap could not be done as quickly as a gasoline fill-up. The generation upgrades would still need to be done; grid upgrades not so much, as depleted batteries could be hauled to central recharge plants.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 04, 2022 11:32 AM (P3gRi)
Then there's the cost. Since in such a scheme you're leasing or renting the battery, the outfit that swaps them around has to own them, and they need a *lot* of them. That's pretty serious money tied up in rapidly-depreciating physical assets.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 04, 2022 11:24 AM (DU+/6)
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Thanks for the thoughts, Mannix. Elon seems to be into vertical integration, so I'd assume he'd have some ownership interest in the outfits that swap the batteries.
But yeah, it seems just not economically feasible until we're all mandated by fed.gov to own Teslas or nothing!
Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at February 04, 2022 11:32 AM (743lG)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, laughing with Mel Brooks at February 04, 2022 11:29 AM (LvTSG)
LOL, same. And I was excited to get that, since usually I got Total or some shit.
Posted by: Jordan61 at February 04, 2022 11:31 AM (Ez6QX)
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The only break was when we would visit my grandfather's house. He always bought those little collections of single serve cereal boxes for us when we would show up. It's where I finally got to taste things like Frosted Flakes.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, laughing with Mel Brooks at February 04, 2022 11:32 AM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 04, 2022 11:31 AM (mZOHK)
You are a major asshole!
Posted by: Spaceballs at February 04, 2022 11:32 AM (QYPq3)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 04, 2022 11:29 AM (e3L4Y)
CenterPoint service area? Hope you get it back soon. No issues reported in my AO - NW of the city.
Posted by: Count de Monet at February 04, 2022 11:32 AM (4I/2K)
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at February 04, 2022 11:32 AM (lz5hY)
Thread Winner!
Posted by: RKinRoanoke at February 04, 2022 11:33 AM (krxRg)
Electric cars are toys for rich people.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at February 04, 2022 11:33 AM (2iDSr)
Posted by: klaftern at February 04, 2022 11:33 AM (taPSh)
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at February 04, 2022
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The streams have been crossed!
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at February 04, 2022 11:33 AM (txdEq)
This could definitely be wrong, but I thought I heard that all Canadian military units now have American "liaison" officers, since the WoT.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 04, 2022 11:33 AM (Cf/uA)
Posted by: Ripley at February 04, 2022 11:33 AM (MxEKc)
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 04, 2022 11:31 AM (mZOHK)
That's the current and most stable idea.
Posted by: Boswell at February 04, 2022 11:33 AM (5iUNf)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 04, 2022 11:33 AM (sVfvf)
Posted by: Revenant at February 04, 2022 11:31 AM (cOGHc)
Saskatchewan governor, or whatever they call him...is making noises about ending mandates.
Posted by: kallisto at February 04, 2022 11:34 AM (DJFLF)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, laughing with Mel Brooks at February 04, 2022
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The only break was when we would visit my grandfather's house. He always bought those little collections of single serve cereal boxes for us when we would show up. It's where I finally got to taste things like Frosted Flakes.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, laughing with Mel Brooks at February 04, 2022
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Damn. Now I'm thinking about buying some milk and Honey Nut Cheerios tomorrow.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at February 04, 2022 11:34 AM (txdEq)
The stations are easily hackable. They shut down US production due to this vulnerability.
The stations manufactured in Europe have shit reliability. They shipped to the US and their components fared poorly when tested.
The stations can be easily sabotaged. Any strong magnet placed near the comm panel will cause it to malfunction.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at February 04, 2022 11:35 AM (i250B)
Posted by: Diogenes at February 04, 2022 11:03 AM (axyOa)
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Girl at the office said her drivetime with no traffic was fifteen minutes, drivetime to work is forty five minutes.
Yeah, park on the roof and charge it up while you work.
Posted by: Braenyard at February 04, 2022 11:35 AM (m+yM6)
Posted by: Miss Issippi at February 04, 2022 11:35 AM (sI15f)
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at February 04, 2022 11:32 AM (lz5hY)
So, the idea is to turn America into the Villages?
Posted by: Boswell at February 04, 2022 11:35 AM (5iUNf)
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at February 04, 2022 11:36 AM (lz5hY)
Just leaving on a cross coutry trip in an EV. FJB says to gas up first.
Posted by: Senor Coffee at February 04, 2022 11:36 AM (iSbhf)
If I had to commute again, I'd think about snagging a used Nissan Leaf or Chevy Bolt. Maintenance is dirt cheap and so is electricity. Dumb looking and unglamorous but if all you need is an appliance, they're useful.
Posted by: ballistic at February 04, 2022 11:36 AM (oXNqT)
Posted by: Just Lily at February 04, 2022
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Sarah Jessica Parker just emailed to say the same thing!
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at February 04, 2022 11:36 AM (txdEq)
As though climate change is the only environmental concern.
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at February 04, 2022 11:36 AM (ewBGW)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 04, 2022 11:36 AM (sVfvf)
100 gallons is about $300. An average car will go 3000 miles on that. She must have quite a commute.
Posted by: fd at February 04, 2022 11:32 AM (vrz2I)
When I was not working from home and gas prices were in the $3 range, I got a Corolla hatchback. 45mpg on the highway. My 50 roundtrip to 1.5 gallons when local factored into the equation. So, less than $5 per day. Would take a long time to justify EV.
Posted by: RKinRoanoke at February 04, 2022 11:36 AM (krxRg)
And let's not discount the ripple effect in N. America that an event like that might cause. We have yet to see the proverbial Rubicon crossed but that might set things in motion. I'm certainly not hoping for anything of the sort but as we have witnessed, intrigue and abject stupidity seem to rule the day.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at February 04, 2022 11:37 AM (Xrfse)
I imagine some of you better-read commenters can explain why this is either unfeasible or why it hasn't been implemented yet. Perhaps just too costly? Not sure what people would pay for this, but if you've already blown all that money on a status symbol ...
Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at February 04, 2022 11:15 AM (743lG)
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That's not genius, that is common sense. If a dope like me can think it...
At any rate, every EV has a different configuration and style so standardizing battery pack and size would really crimp what is possible.
Also, battery pack condition would play into the risk. How do you know if the batteries you just picked up at the Kum and go aren't on their last legs? And who is responsible when you try to turn in those lousy batteries? You or the retailer you "rented" them from.
It's an idea that needs some maturing.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at February 04, 2022 11:37 AM (MFphb)
Posted by: banana Dream at February 04, 2022 11:26 AM (l6b3d)
Around here, I see an autonomous cars frequently - several companies are testing the damned things. They've got 'em, they're working - and I have zero doubts this is what our "betters" are shooting for if they can't outright get rid of cars. Of course, it won't be long before you say "go to 'X'" and the response will be "I'm sorry Dave, you know I can't do that..."
Once the boomers die off, I have little doubt we'll have no resistance from generations who aren't even interested in getting a driver's license. And of course, that whole "trucker" thing will come to a halt. By then, we'll already be used to not having any goods.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at February 04, 2022 11:37 AM (wAnMi)
Also handy at the campground. And there are many, many nice campgrounds on the Gulf. Maybe I'll pass one of those useless EV charging stations on the way.
Posted by: Nome de Plume at February 04, 2022 11:37 AM (frJES)
Posted by: Puddin Head
We can't see them being very useful for our purposes.
-- International Brotherhood of Teamsters driving to pick up Jimmy
Posted by: Tonypete at February 04, 2022 11:37 AM (mD/uy)
Posted by: Dave in Fla at February 04, 2022 11:37 AM (5p7BC)
Government is paying a good portion of these cars to be made and bought.
Posted by: Skip's Phone at February 04, 2022 11:38 AM (4oNyA)
Saskatchewan governor, or whatever they call him...is making noises about ending mandates.
Posted by: kallisto at February 04, 2022
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Provincial governor.
And he should have made those noises 18 months ago, and done it 17 months ago.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at February 04, 2022 11:38 AM (txdEq)
I'm not anti electric vehicles, but what I see happening is regulators will punish ICE cars to the point they just can't be made anymore and we all have to drive electric.
Posted by: Blago at February 04, 2022 11:38 AM (yEz9I)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at February 04, 2022 11:36 AM (txdEq)
She doesn't spark anything in me with horse-face of hers.
Posted by: Boswell at February 04, 2022 11:38 AM (5iUNf)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie
Not that any one of us would do that.
*scribbles notes furiously*
Posted by: Tonypete at February 04, 2022 11:38 AM (mD/uy)
And he should have made those noises 18 months ago, and done it 17 months ago.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at February 04, 2022 11:38 AM (txdEq)
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But then everyone would be dead like in Florida.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, laughing with Mel Brooks at February 04, 2022 11:38 AM (LvTSG)
People aren't going to put up with the range problem. They simply won't stand for it.
These promises will be walked back.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at February 04, 2022 11:15 AM (nIoDN)
Yes, but that won't matter because the head of GM already got all the accolades they're getting from that promise.
Remember when the heads of businesses worried about making their business better?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at February 04, 2022 11:39 AM (EjmvJ)
https://tinyurl.com/2s3w4bxc
Posted by: kallisto at February 04, 2022 11:39 AM (DJFLF)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 04, 2022 11:39 AM (/U27+)
Posted by: Tonypete at February 04, 2022 11:39 AM (mD/uy)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie
Not that any one of us would do that.
*scribbles notes furiously*
Posted by: Tonypete at February 04, 2022 11:38 AM (mD/uy)
We are moving very close to Stand on Zanzibar territory.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 04, 2022 11:39 AM (mZOHK)
Posted by: banana Dream at February 04, 2022 11:39 AM (l6b3d)
Who pays for the infrastructure upgrade for electricity and charging stations? The companies there, or the building owner? What if the building owner refuses?
Posted by: rickb223 at February 04, 2022 11:39 AM (Hica+)
I don't think the government is going to break the protest though.
Posted by: Revenant at February 04, 2022 11:31 AM
If they were going to do that they would have done it by now.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at February 04, 2022 11:39 AM (bVYXr)
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at February 04, 2022 11:40 AM (2NHgQ)
GM to file chapter 7 bankruptcy/liquidation by 2037
Posted by: KanDizzilyDo at February 04, 2022 11:40 AM (hv82i)
Posted by: DB - endeavoring to persevere at February 04, 2022 11:40 AM (geLO8)
Posted by: Count de Monet at February 04, 2022 11:32 AM (4I/2K)
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In fair weather country tonight is the danger freeze night. It froze last night and all the little parts, even though it's going to warm for a while, will remain cold and ready to freeze tonight.
It's 2 degrees in some parts of N. TX.
Posted by: Braenyard at February 04, 2022 11:40 AM (m+yM6)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, laughing with Mel Brooks at February 04, 2022 11:38 AM (LvTSG)
fun fact:
In Canada - no one can collect unemployment benefits if un-vexxed.
Here, at least the tyranny is on a state-by-state basis.
Posted by: kallisto at February 04, 2022 11:40 AM (DJFLF)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 04, 2022 11:36 AM (sVfvf)
I think it was Quake that made Cap'n Crunch look like soft little pillows. "Hey, let's design a cereal that's shaped like geodes, and glaze it with sugar so it's harder than one!"
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at February 04, 2022 11:40 AM (wAnMi)
threadwinner
Posted by: Senor Coffee at February 04, 2022 11:40 AM (iSbhf)
Posted by: Dave in Fla at February 04, 2022 11:37 AM (5p7BC)
And thanks to the Dems, you can also volt from home...
Posted by: Boswell at February 04, 2022 11:40 AM (5iUNf)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at February 04, 2022
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She doesn't spark anything in me with horse-face of hers.
Posted by: Boswell at February 04, 2022
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Nice hoofs tho
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at February 04, 2022 11:41 AM (txdEq)
have they given any thought to where all that electricity would come from?
Posted by: DB - endeavoring to persevere at February 04, 2022 11:41 AM (geLO8)
It's hard enough to get robotics to work on perfectly fixtured parts - such as body panels in automotive welding, or pick and place assembly. Unless we all start driving the exact same car - so that the battery can be fixtured in the same X, Y, and Z coordinates - this ain't going to happen anytime soon.
Yes, machine vision exists in manufacturing. No, it is not robust enough to locate a battery on the myriad of different cars we have today - and will not be upgraded quickly enough to account for the various new body styles that will come out every model year.
Posted by: Nome de Plume at February 04, 2022 11:41 AM (frJES)
Posted by: banana Dream
The truly wealthy do that now.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 04, 2022 11:42 AM (Hica+)
The stations manufactured in Europe have shit reliability. They shipped to the US and their components fared poorly when tested.
The stations can be easily sabotaged. Any strong magnet placed near the comm panel will cause it to malfunction.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie
Combine this with passive unreliable green energy production, grid capacity, security vulnerabilities etc and you have the perfect fubar. As someone said earlier this has nothing to do with the environment
Posted by: 7man at February 04, 2022 11:42 AM (qwO6y)
There is one thing: Build the EVs with swappable battery packs like we do with propane tanks. That would only require a new massive infrastructure and 4x the number of batteries, plus some well trained people at each bulk charging station. What could possibly go wrong with storing a bunch of high-powered batteries or with connecting/disconnecting them?
Also, us proles/outer party members won't be travelling more than 10 miles from our pod (let alone the beach) other than by foot anyway.
Posted by: Chuck C at February 04, 2022 11:42 AM (EughT)
(con't)
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine
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If I can't return it to point of purchase I don't buy it.
Posted by: Braenyard at February 04, 2022 11:42 AM (m+yM6)
Posted by: Flyover at February 04, 2022 11:42 AM (Rbu5d)
Posted by: Dogbert at February 04, 2022 11:42 AM (Z9HSN)
Who pays for the infrastructure upgrade for electricity and charging stations? The companies there, or the building owner? What if the building owner refuses?
Posted by: rickb223 at February 04, 2022 11:39 AM
The Federal government and some States like California, have mandated that any new public structures built must have X number of electric vehicle charging stations. There is some sort of formula that dictates how many you have to build.
So far the Federal rule only applies to Federal property or people who have contracts with the Fed. IIRC the California mandate applies to the entire State.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at February 04, 2022 11:42 AM (bVYXr)
Posted by: kallisto at February 04, 2022 11:23 AM (DJFLF)
Ask the Metis.
Posted by: Fox2! at February 04, 2022 11:43 AM (qyH+l)
https://tinyurl.com/y7hrds9h
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 04, 2022 11:43 AM (G4pp6)
have they given any thought to where all that electricity would come from?
Posted by: DB
The wall socket, obviously.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 04, 2022 11:43 AM (Hica+)
>>If there is ever an electric Jeep, will suck electricity like my Wrangler sucks gas? If not, it cannot be called a Jeep.
It's range will be measured in feet and not miles.
** Jeep Wave **
Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 04, 2022 11:43 AM (Uk7B3)
They're just going to ban the sale of gasoline.
Then you'll get in line for one of the two charging stations. Or take a bus and get shot. You think I'm kidding?
Posted by: torabora at February 04, 2022 11:43 AM (Fcqgj)
Posted by: Skip's Phone at February 04, 2022 11:43 AM (4oNyA)
Posted by: Flyover
but they will
Posted by: DB - endeavoring to persevere at February 04, 2022 11:43 AM (geLO8)
People aren't going to put up with the range problem. They simply won't stand for it.
People won't stand for two years of mask wearing.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 04, 2022 11:44 AM (63Dwl)
Posted by: banana Dream"
Fine with me. They can be the guinea pigs. Lots of rich people die in private aircraft accidents. You know who rarely dies in private aircraft accident?
Posted by: fd at February 04, 2022 11:44 AM (vrz2I)
have they given any thought to where all that electricity would come from?
Posted by: DB
Unicorns
Posted by: GM at February 04, 2022 11:44 AM (4eKPg)
So far the Federal rule only applies to Federal property or people who have contracts with the Fed. IIRC the California mandate applies to the entire State.
Posted by: Mister Scott
So if you work in an existing structure, you're SOL.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 04, 2022 11:44 AM (Hica+)
Posted by: Tonypete at February 04, 2022 11:39 AM (mD/uy)
What every Villages cop shouts when they have to flash their lights on those silver couples hiding in the town square golf cart parking lot after 9PM...
Posted by: Boswell at February 04, 2022 11:44 AM (5iUNf)
People won't stand for two years of mask wearing.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 04, 2022 11:44 AM (63Dwl)
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A whole lot of us haven't.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, laughing with Mel Brooks at February 04, 2022 11:44 AM (LvTSG)
In short; rather than have an actual battery to hold energy they're trying to use structures like the frame of the vehicle to actually "be" the battery. It does little to resolve charging issues, range, pollution, etc. but it is an interesting concept.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at February 04, 2022 11:44 AM (BFigT)
Posted by: kallisto at February 04, 2022 11:23 AM (DJFLF)
We saw a lot of shit we thought we'd never see.
Posted by: 1930s and 1940s at February 04, 2022 11:44 AM (MFphb)
Posted by: Infidel at February 04, 2022 11:45 AM (qpolg)
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at February 04, 2022 11:45 AM (lz5hY)
They're just going to ban the sale of gasoline.
Then you'll get in line for one of the two charging stations. Or take a bus and get shot. You think I'm kidding?
Posted by: torabora at February 04, 2022 11:43 AM (Fcqgj)
That's ridiculous.
Sure, they may ban oil drilling in the U.S. Also ban refining it within the country. They'll then ban importing gas.
But they'd never just outright ban selling gas. Silliness...
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at February 04, 2022 11:45 AM (KbCG3)
I'd hire that kid in a heartbeat.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at February 04, 2022 11:46 AM (Xrfse)
Posted by: UDM at February 04, 2022 11:46 AM (NtJ8s)
Here, at least the tyranny is on a state-by-state basis.
Posted by: kallisto at February 04, 2022 11:40 AM (DJFLF)
What about welfare?
Posted by: Jordan61 at February 04, 2022 11:46 AM (Ez6QX)
Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at February 04, 2022 11:46 AM (ZEHVO)
Have no Idea why this came into my head.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 04, 2022 11:46 AM (Uk7B3)
Disposable cars. BTDT.
Posted by: Yugo at February 04, 2022 11:47 AM (vrz2I)
What movie is that from? It sounds familiar to me.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at February 04, 2022 11:47 AM (txdEq)
Posted by: Skip's Phone at February 04, 2022 11:47 AM (4oNyA)
Posted by: Bonnie Blue - resist we much! at February 04, 2022 11:20 AM (hlxe7)
Whipping the buggy doesn't work. You have to whip the horse.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 04, 2022 11:48 AM (P3gRi)
Posted by: Revenant at February 04, 2022 11:31 AM
They will. They have the power, and will use it. They have no compunction in its use.
But what happens as a consequence will be more interesting.
Posted by: Ordinary American at February 04, 2022 11:48 AM (H8QX8)
Posted by: Senor Coffee at February 04, 2022 11:48 AM (iSbhf)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Stupid Son of a Bitch at February 04, 2022 11:48 AM (FVME7)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon"
Would you mind coming down to be our Transportation Secretary?
Posted by: Yugo at February 04, 2022 11:48 AM (vrz2I)
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They said that about Windows GUI vs keyboard commands - they cannot develop the memory to do the things they promise. Things will change, things will be invented, whatever.
The key to progress is to keep the government out of it and let the marketplace decide.
Posted by: Braenyard at February 04, 2022 11:48 AM (m+yM6)
They're going to force people onto the bus. And then they will get shot.
Posted by: torabora at February 04, 2022 11:48 AM (Fcqgj)
Posted by: fd at February 04, 2022 11:49 AM (vrz2I)
** Jeep Wave **
Posted by: Thomas Bender"
The Jeep wave will become flagging people down for a lift.
Posted by: Ripley at February 04, 2022 11:49 AM (MxEKc)
Following the county's first school shooting in history late last month
Posted by: DB - endeavoring to persevere at February 04, 2022 11:49 AM (geLO8)
Fifty miles? I think that's plenty . Where can I buy? I'll take two.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at February 04, 2022 11:05 AM (Kz9dH)
Posted by: Bill Gates at February 04, 2022 11:49 AM (llON8)
1) we have either idiots, traitors, or both in charge
2) the "engineers" who design these things are in either complete ignorance, denial, or both as to the ramifications of same on the daily life of Joe American
3) Joe American needs to wake up, really fast, and stomp this stupidity.
Posted by: Tex Lovera at February 04, 2022 11:49 AM (wtvvX)
You can't have a market for "classic" Teslas unless those batteries are replaced. And that is a lot more expensive than replacing valves and a muffler.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at February 04, 2022 11:49 AM (5p7BC)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at February 04, 2022 11:49 AM (vuisn)
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Do they have enough child slaves in Africa to mine the elements needed for those batteries? /s
Posted by: mustbequantum at February 04, 2022 11:49 AM (MIKMs)
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That song is a lie. There is no way out of here.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Stupid Son of a Bitch at February 04, 2022 11:50 AM (FVME7)
A Tesla is just a fast golf cart.
No matter how much it costs.
Posted by: Well at February 04, 2022 11:50 AM (b5ZHT)
Fifty miles? I think that's plenty . Where can I buy? I'll take two.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at February 04, 2022 11:05 AM (Kz9dH)
@$)*&%*(^@^%
You will never need to travel more than 50 miles from your home.
Posted by: Bill Gates at February 04, 2022 11:50 AM (llON8)
Posted by: UDM at February 04, 2022 11:46 AM (NtJ8s)
You will look back fondly after paying the grid tax, battery disposal fees, etc
Posted by: 7man at February 04, 2022 11:50 AM (qwO6y)
Not really. Where to regularly charge an EV in a city? Are you going to hang charging cords out of apartment windows? The vast majority of EVs are bought by suburban families who can install a rapid charger at their home. Of course they also have a gas-powered vehicle, usually a luxury SUV.
Posted by: Elric Blade at February 04, 2022 11:50 AM (iFTx/)
Unless and until they go back to looking at fission, or make a serious push at fusion, this is all a bunch of pissing in the wind.
Posted by: Nome de Plume at February 04, 2022 11:50 AM (frJES)
watt?
Posted by: DB - endeavoring to persevere at February 04, 2022 11:40 AM (geLO
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I sense a bit of resistance.
Posted by: WisRich at February 04, 2022 11:50 AM (G0vdT)
I’ve considered an electric vehicle for exactly this purpose. It would be very useful to never have to worry about whether I have to refill the car before heading out for groceries or to a friend’s place or to any of the places I go locally. But then I look at the prices.
At the moment, electric vehicles are daily beaters at luxury prices. And that doesn’t include the fact that battery technology still hasn’t caught up to this use case. Batteries wear out much too quickly and aren’t designed for safely storing even as much energy as is required for daily local driving.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at February 04, 2022 11:51 AM (CX3cf)
Posted by: mustbequantum at February 04, 2022 11:49 AM (MIKMs)
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Africa is Wakanda and a peaceful land without slavery, racist.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, laughing with Mel Brooks at February 04, 2022 11:51 AM (LvTSG)
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No, it means they need a "military solution."
Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at February 04, 2022 11:21 AM (743lG)
As I understand it, he explicitly called for the military to get involved and the military has already declined.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at February 04, 2022 11:51 AM (EjmvJ)
Posted by: Skip's Phone at February 04, 2022 11:51 AM (4oNyA)
Posted by: kallisto at February 04, 2022 11:51 AM (DJFLF)
The Bimbo's response? Just because we are firing you and making it so you are locked in your house doesn't mean we are forcing you to get the clot shot AND we should force you to get the clot shot because it is about public health.
Posted by: 18-1 at February 04, 2022 11:51 AM (ESjRY)
Posted by: Senor Coffee at February 04, 2022 11:51 AM (iSbhf)
Posted by: Revenant at February 04, 2022 11:31 AM
They will. They have the power, and will use it. They have no compunction in its use.
But what happens as a consequence will be more interesting.
Posted by: Ordinary American at February 04, 2022 11:48 AM (H8QX
There are many seemingly strong industries and institutions a country can live without. Trucking is not one of them.
The government has backed itself into potentially shutting down the entire country or having to give in. Faced with this, they will likely lash out. They're too stupid and tyrannical to do otherwise.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at February 04, 2022 11:51 AM (KbCG3)
https://tinyurl.com/p64akp32
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 04, 2022 11:51 AM (G4pp6)
Chevy LS conversions may become popular.
Posted by: fd at February 04, 2022 11:51 AM (vrz2I)
Posted by: Tex Lovera at February 04, 2022 11:51 AM (wtvvX)
Posted by: I've got bad news for you at February 04, 2022 11:24
This. The number of gas stations will gradually diminish to the point where range anxiety will be greater for an ICE vehicle than an EV.
Posted by: Bigsmith at February 04, 2022 11:52 AM (G/mW5)
Posted by: Skip's Phone at February 04, 2022 11:51 AM (4oNyA)
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Still kind of bleh.
Better, though. I actually managed some decent sleep last night.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, laughing with Mel Brooks at February 04, 2022 11:52 AM (LvTSG)
My daily driver in all weather has been my model 3 for 3.5 years now including ski trips with 3 hour detours for avalanche, assorted winter driving, etc. I wouldn't trade any of my previous cars for it. Not because I'm greenie or a watermelon - it's just head and shoulders above any of my previous cars both for fun and utility.
But that's for me. Everyone should get the car that works for them and not have it dictated.
Posted by: Fritz (not Fritz) at February 04, 2022 11:52 AM (IIOyJ)
By design, one can assume. Road trips = freedom.
Posted by: Dire Straits at February 04, 2022 11:52 AM (URNdm)
Yeah, park on the roof and charge it up while you work.
Posted by: Braenyard at February 04, 2022 11:35 AM (m+yM6)
Back when I commuted the drive to Seattle was an hour if no traffic, 2 plus hours if there was, more if there was any kind of accident. Horrible. I hated every day of it.
The price of eVTOLs will be high to start, but I can see prices hitting the range of current (get it??? current) grounded (OMG a twofer!!!) EVs today.
Posted by: Diogenes at February 04, 2022 11:52 AM (axyOa)
Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at February 04, 2022 11:53 AM (lSZIs)
Posted by: 18-1
Now do illegal drugs and public approved shooting galleries.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 04, 2022 11:53 AM (Hica+)
Posted by: Tex Lovera at February 04, 2022 11:49 AM (wtvvX)
Sorry, I'm busy trying to score more KN95 masks and at-home tests.
Posted by: Joe American at February 04, 2022 11:53 AM (Ez6QX)
PA has a stupidly high gas tax.....to pay for infrastructure repairs...lol.
Posted by: UDM at February 04, 2022 11:46 AM (NtJ8s)
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That's why PA's roads are the envy of the nation.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 04, 2022 11:53 AM (/U27+)
Posted by: Capital Eff at February 04, 2022 11:53 AM (GYllL)
Posted by: Senor Coffee at February 04, 2022 11:53 AM (iSbhf)
Posted by: Nome de Plume at February 04, 2022 11:50 AM (frJES)
Direct energy conversion. It's entirely possible to have a radioactive source that is converted to electricity that would slowly charge you battery all within the vehicle. Space probes have already used this tech.
Course, you are running around with a radioactive source and a fire hazard battery.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 04, 2022 11:53 AM (UuD2k)
Posted by: Donny Brook at February 04, 2022 11:54 AM (819Go)
Jackson Richman
@jacksonrichman
WATCH: @SavannahGuthrie calls a reported Uyghur co-lighting the Olympic flame, chosen by Xi Jinping, "an in-your-face response to those Western nations, including the U.S., who have called this Chinese treatment of that group genocide and diplomatically boycotted these games."
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Did I say stupid? I meant evil.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Stupid Son of a Bitch at February 04, 2022 11:54 AM (FVME7)
Posted by: 7man at February 04, 2022 11:23 AM (qwO6y)
Control of the movement of the population is why the government has undermined the production of Mr. Fusion units for our DeLoreans.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at February 04, 2022 11:54 AM (EjmvJ)
They are expensive, but possibly the best purchase I’ve made for my kitchen. Certainly the device I use most often after the refrigerator.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at February 04, 2022 11:54 AM (CX3cf)
Posted by: Tex Lovera
What's the range for en electric semi hauling perishable food?
Posted by: rickb223 at February 04, 2022 11:55 AM (Hica+)
Posted by: UDM
It was successful!! Have you heard of any bridge collapses in Pittsburgh lately?? Well have y.....oh....nevermind...
Posted by: Puddleglum at work at February 04, 2022 11:55 AM (4eKPg)
Posted by: Capital Eff at February 04, 2022 11:55 AM (GYllL)
Then I'm going to call it an electric vehicle.
If a man can be a woman just by calling himself one, my car can be electric
Posted by: Well at February 04, 2022 11:55 AM (b5ZHT)
Posted by: Indignacio Vindicatorem at February 04, 2022 11:55 AM (oWBc3)
a/k/a the "Celebration Parallax" -- A fact pattern is either true and glorious or false and scurrilous depending on who states it.
Posted by: Dire Straits at February 04, 2022 11:55 AM (URNdm)
The income of all of the middle east countries is dependent on oil production.
Bankrupting Saudi Arabia and the UAE is not going to work out well on the international scene.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at February 04, 2022 11:55 AM (5p7BC)
"...and who knows, but the horse just might learn to talk."
Just the punchline, approved by gubmint mandate.
Posted by: GnuBreed at February 04, 2022 11:55 AM (F0YaR)
We never get to see things like the guy blowing up his Tesla when his battery died and he didn't want to spend $23k for a new one - that's if Tesla agreed to letting him get a new battery installed. The resale for these things is the worst. And honestly, if I paid 6 figures for a car, I'd like to not see one just like it every 9 seconds.
The media is going to have a rough go of covering for these things as they start dropping. And can you imagine spending that kind of dosh when not only the battery is an issue, but the thing is a rolling iPad? How long is that sort of tech good for best case? Talk about planned obsolescence.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at February 04, 2022 11:55 AM (wAnMi)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 04, 2022 11:56 AM (/U27+)
Unless and until they go back to looking at fission, or make a serious push at fusion, this is all a bunch of pissing in the wind.
My last car was a Fusion. put over 200k on that thing without issues.
Posted by: Busted Can of Biscuits at February 04, 2022 11:56 AM (2cfUo)
That is pretty much the exact reason the Czech Supreme Administrative Court gave for ending the vaccine passport in many public places. They said the passport was really a backdoor way of enforcing a vaccine mandate and that would be illegal.
Pretty sound reasoning.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 04, 2022 11:56 AM (ZLI7S)
It was successful!! Have you heard of any bridge collapses in Pittsburgh lately?? Well have y.....oh....nevermind...
Posted by: Puddleglum at work at February 04, 2022 11:55 AM (4eKPg)
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Shovel ready!
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 04, 2022 11:57 AM (/U27+)
Posted by: Bigsmith at February 04, 2022 11:57 AM (G/mW5)
Car and Driver has been long-term testing a Tesla Model 3. Apparently, using Tesla's Superchargers is pretty pricy. The car is about 3x more efficient than a comparable sedan, but , when using the Superchargers, electricity costs 3x as much as the comparable energy equivalent of gasoline. The net savings end up being ... approximately zero.
Oh well. At least it doesn't generate horrible, horrible plant food.
Posted by: sp at February 04, 2022 11:57 AM (h5TKJ)
Posted by: kallisto at February 04, 2022 11:51 AM (DJFLF)
I'd be interested. I know here in our state they were saying if you got fired for not taking the shot you couldn't get unemployment. But not a peep about welfare recipients.
Posted by: Jordan61 at February 04, 2022 11:57 AM (Ez6QX)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 04, 2022 11:57 AM (R/m4+)
Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at February 04, 2022 11:46 AM (ZEHVO)
While peeing on our sacred democracy. Democracy.
Constitution? Get the fork outta here with that nonsense.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at February 04, 2022 11:57 AM (MFphb)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 04, 2022 11:57 AM (UuD2k)
a day now.. most of my life I commuted 50 miles each way plus frequent side trips living rural
Way to go Canadian Truckers Maybe one of my school friends will show up
Posted by: Senor Coffee at February 04, 2022 11:57 AM (iSbhf)
Posted by: Tex Lovera
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Fifth wheels will be a thing of the past comrade.
Posted by: Joe Brandon at February 04, 2022 11:57 AM (iDcra)
This is almost always unstated when EV proponents start talking about quick battery exchange facilities as a solution to the time spent charging. Were battery exchange facilities to open, they’d either have to charge you a lot of money to ensure that all dying batteries were discarded, or they’d end up screwing a lot of people over by keeping dying batteries in the mix.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at February 04, 2022 11:57 AM (CX3cf)
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at February 04, 2022 11:57 AM (2NHgQ)
Posted by: UDM at February 04, 2022 11:46 AM (NtJ8s)
You will look back fondly after paying the grid tax, battery disposal fees, etc
Posted by: 7man at February 04, 2022 11:50 AM (qwO6y)
WA State also has a ridiculously high gas tax. And it will go higher. Meanwhile the state is sitting on a $8 Billion slush fund. Fuckers.
But, for electric cars, they are going to institute a mileage tax just so those guys don't miss out on paying into Inslee's coffers.
Posted by: Diogenes at February 04, 2022 11:57 AM (axyOa)
Breaking911
@Breaking911
NYC MAYOR ERIC ADAMS: "There is a reason they call me the Biden of Brooklyn."
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He thinks it's a compliment.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Stupid Son of a Bitch at February 04, 2022 11:57 AM (FVME7)
You may want to do a little more research. The article you referenced is about one company "EV Fast Charge" opening their first supercharger. If you search for the Telsa supercharger maps you will learn that there are literally 100s of superchargers for your Gulf Cost vacation.
Within the next few years EVs will be cheaper to own and operate than gas vehicles and when that happens there will be large scale adoption. (Don't forget EVs require very little maintenance, no oil changes, no worn-out belts...fewer parts = fewer repairs.)
I'm not a climate change nut -it's the technology that has won me over.
Posted by: Logan at February 04, 2022 11:58 AM (A1X8Q)
Yep, and now you've got a much smaller battery. It's acting more like a capacitor than anything, and such a use lets you get into the capacitance type of technologies.
Downside, as you said, is the on-board fission or fusion cell. But you can't have it all - either a really stable fossil fuel that nobody thinks twice about handling, or a small reactor that, eventually, nobody will think twice about handling.
Posted by: Nome de Plume at February 04, 2022 11:58 AM (frJES)
NBC journalist, right?
I guess we know the true price for NBC's exclusive coverage of the Olympics in China. Wouldn't be surprised if that tweet text was provided by the Chinese government itself.
Posted by: Lizzy at February 04, 2022 11:58 AM (URNdm)
Posted by: Skip's Phone at February 04, 2022 11:58 AM (4oNyA)
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And that's when there's electricity at all. After the Reds close down almost every power plant in the country, as they're doing now in California.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 04, 2022 11:58 AM (pNm1M)
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at February 04, 2022 11:28 AM (PiwSw)
Shhhh...we don't talk about that. Nor do we discuss the fact that these batteries use some exotic materials - which largely come from China - and are limited in nature.
Nothing to worry your pretty little head over.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at February 04, 2022 11:59 AM (EjmvJ)
a day now.. most of my life I commuted 50 miles each way plus frequent side trips living rural
Way to go Canadian Truckers Maybe one of my school friends will show up
Posted by: Senor Coffee
Mine is 80 miles each way with no side trips.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 04, 2022 11:59 AM (Hica+)
@jacksonrichman
WATCH: @SavannahGuthrie calls a reported Uyghur co-lighting the Olympic flame, chosen by Xi Jinping, "an in-your-face response to those Western nations, including the U.S., who have called this Chinese treatment of that group genocide and diplomatically boycotted these games."
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Did I say stupid? I meant evil.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Stupid Son of a Bitch at February 04, 2022 11:54 AM (FVME7)
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Listen, Savannah and friends are totally brainwashed on reading and regurgitating DNC propaganda as real news, they literally don't find any other type of propaganda objectionable.
Posted by: WisRich at February 04, 2022 11:59 AM (G0vdT)
Posted by: Count de Monet at February 04, 2022 11:59 AM (4I/2K)
@TheRevAl
Speaker Pelosi is urging Olympic athletes against protesting to avoid anger of the Chinese Government, I respectfully disagree.
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OK, who are you and what did you do with the real Reverend Al?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Stupid Son of a Bitch at February 04, 2022 12:00 PM (FVME7)
Posted by: Indignacio Vindicatorem
Posted by: Joe Brandon at February 04, 2022 12:00 PM (iDcra)
Posted by: Indignacio Vindicatorem at February 04, 2022 12:00 PM (oWBc3)
It may be BS.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at February 04, 2022 12:00 PM (jTmQV)
The income of all of the middle east countries is dependent on oil production.
Bankrupting Saudi Arabia and the UAE is not going to work out well on the international scene.
Posted by: Dave in Fla
Graft hardest hit.
Posted by: davidt at February 04, 2022 12:00 PM (yDmyH)
I guess we know the true price for NBC's exclusive coverage of the Olympics in China. Wouldn't be surprised if that tweet text was provided by the Chinese government itself.
Posted by: Lizzy at February 04, 2022 11:58 AM (URNdm)
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Whores gotta whore. It's of a piece with CNN playing pat-a-cake with Saddam Hussein.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 04, 2022 12:00 PM (pNm1M)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at February 04, 2022 12:00 PM (iDcra)
Posted by: Tex Lovera
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Fifth wheels will be a thing of the past comrade.
Posted by: Joe Brandon at February 04, 2022 11:57 AM (iDcra)
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They will all be parked and used as free government housing for the next generation of illegals entering the country.
Posted by: Diogenes at February 04, 2022 12:00 PM (axyOa)
Heh. There's no known fix for teh stoopid.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at February 04, 2022 12:00 PM (Xrfse)
Posted by: phydeaux at February 04, 2022 12:00 PM (RJyAJ)
Posted by: Capital Eff at February 04, 2022 12:01 PM (GYllL)
It may be BS.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at February 04, 2022 12:00 PM (jTmQV)
I think they stopped that perk after a bunch of people converted their Teslas into crypto mining rigs and were printing money on Tesla's dime.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 04, 2022 12:01 PM (UuD2k)
Have no Idea why this came into my head.
Posted by: Thomas Bender
Hey! That's my old shtick!
Posted by: Brother Tim (recovering Cylon) at February 04, 2022 12:01 PM (Nv+9A)
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And it was a small load. Coulda washed it by hand.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 04, 2022 12:01 PM (pNm1M)
I'm not a climate change nut -it's the technology that has won me over.
Posted by: Logan
Where does 80 MILLION battery packs come from?
Posted by: rickb223 at February 04, 2022 12:01 PM (Hica+)
Posted by: Senor Coffee at February 04, 2022 12:02 PM (iSbhf)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 04, 2022 12:02 PM (/U27+)
watt?
Posted by: DB - endeavoring to persevere at February 04, 2022 11:40 AM (geLO
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I sense a bit of resistance.
Posted by: WisRich at February 04, 2022 11:50 AM (G0vdT)
This is a shocking
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at February 04, 2022 12:02 PM (M+Lyo)
Do they even know what is happening to that population? Could it possibly be that the individual is raising that flag or the torch or whatever under duress?
these people are in fear for their lives
Posted by: kallisto at February 04, 2022 12:03 PM (DJFLF)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 04, 2022 11:24 AM (DU+/6)
Here's how you do it. There are two general classes of battery: primary batteries and secondary batteries, real old-school electrical basics. The former have non-reversible chemistry, and cannot be effectively recharged. Example: all the flashlight, radio, and hearing aid batteries seen on sale everywhere. Use them up, throw them out. The latter have reversible chemisty, and can be recharged. Examples: all the cordless power tools, laptops, cellphones, and electric cars. So you build your electric car fleet such that 90% of its power needs are met by swappable primary batteries, and the remainder by built-in secondary batteries. The secondary battery serves as a "reserve tank" that allows you to run the main battery right flat, and also enables regenerative braking, and keep the car's on-board electronics alive while the main battery is being exchanged. 1/2
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 04, 2022 12:03 PM (P3gRi)
Where does 80 MILLION battery packs come from?
Posted by: rickb223 at February 04, 2022 12:01 PM (Hica+)
Where are 400 million N95 masks coming from?
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 04, 2022 12:03 PM (/U27+)
Posted by: Infidel at February 04, 2022 12:03 PM (qpolg)
All those EV batteries will go to the same processing facility as the windmill blades.
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Disposing of Lithium might be a bit more difficult than aluminum blades.
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 04, 2022 12:03 PM (sVfvf)
Posted by: Capital Eff at February 04, 2022 12:01 PM (GYllL)
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Most definitely. Plus battery efficiency drops precipitately with temperature. As everybody knows.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 04, 2022 12:03 PM (nYlxS)
Posted by: Chunky Cheese at February 04, 2022 12:03 PM (RoIW/)
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Coal costs money.
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 04, 2022 12:04 PM (sVfvf)
They don't really intend to plan the EV infrastructure problem because they don't need to if the serfs ride the bus.
Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at February 04, 2022 12:04 PM (+lwg5)
you know what else is a decade away?
Posted by: fusion power at February 04, 2022 12:04 PM (2PdcG)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 04, 2022 12:04 PM (UuD2k)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 04, 2022 12:04 PM (sVfvf)
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at February 04, 2022 12:04 PM (lz5hY)
Posted by: Infidel at February 04, 2022 12:03 PM (qpolg)
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Meanwhile, California is considering reducing the term of net metering.
"Oh, so you took the deal we offered and bought solar panels? Well, we're unilaterally changing the deal. You fucked up - you trusted us!"
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 04, 2022 12:05 PM (nYlxS)
There were electric cars before there were Model Ts.
Posted by: fd at February 04, 2022 12:05 PM (vrz2I)
240 pumps out front. Two Hundred and Forty PUMPS.
A dozen of which offer Ethanol Free 92 Octane, and four of which offer DEF (Diesel Emissions Fluid), at 1/2 the price of the 2 gallon box from Sam's Club.
Put that in your Fast Charger and smoke it.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at February 04, 2022 12:05 PM (QzJWU)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 04, 2022 12:03 PM (/U27+)"
Well the masks are coming from China, just like most of the test kits they're mailing people.
Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at February 04, 2022 12:05 PM (+lwg5)
Of course, if we had a cheap, clean, reliable source of power for EVs, the Greenies would be first in line to ban it.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 04, 2022 12:05 PM (/U27+)
In communist Amerikka we vacate you.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at February 04, 2022 12:05 PM (BFigT)
Posted by: Tex Lovera
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Think of all the batteries can fit in the 5th wheel !
The copper top !
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at February 04, 2022 12:05 PM (M+Lyo)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at February 04, 2022 12:06 PM (RoIW/)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 04, 2022 12:04 PM (UuD2k)
EVs were the original cars, so they were the ones that were phased out.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 04, 2022 12:06 PM (z5Vrg)
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China?
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 04, 2022 12:04 PM (sVfvf)
Saw a report the other day there are over 3 billion used and dirty masks discarded every day.
Seema bit of a toxic waste issue to me.
Posted by: Diogenes at February 04, 2022 12:06 PM (axyOa)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 04, 2022 12:06 PM (UuD2k)
Posted by: fd at February 04, 2022 12:06 PM (vrz2I)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, RIP Oregon Muse at February 04, 2022 11:26 AM (XvPQV)
As long as they aren't twerking, I'm ok with it.
Posted by: Flyover at February 04, 2022 12:06 PM (Rbu5d)
Posted by: Puddleglum at work at February 04, 2022 12:06 PM (4eKPg)
Posted by: know what I mean Vern, huh ? at February 04, 2022 12:06 PM (9X60i)
I’m pretty sure that if most of the money for developing new battery-ish technology didn’t come from government bureaucrats, we’d be a lot closer to battery technology that works much better. But it wouldn’t look like a battery or act like a battery (that’s kind of the point—batteries suck for this purpose), so doesn’t attract funding.
I mean, technically, gasoline is a battery. But nothing that even remotely looks like gasoline would qualify for funding.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at February 04, 2022 12:06 PM (CX3cf)
Posted by: Anachronda at February 04, 2022 12:06 PM (2PdcG)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 04, 2022 12:06 PM (/U27+)
Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at February 04, 2022 12:05 PM (+lwg5)
I am not shoving anything made in China up my nose.
Posted by: Jordan61 at February 04, 2022 12:07 PM (Ez6QX)
WATCH: @SavannahGuthrie calls a reported Uyghur co-lighting the Olympic flame, chosen by Xi Jinping, "an in-your-face response to those Western nations, including the U.S., who have called this Chinese treatment of that group genocide and diplomatically boycotted these games."
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Did I say stupid? I meant evil.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Stupid Son of a Bitch
Did the cameras catch him being seized by CCP goons and shuffled off to the rapid organ donation van parked nearby as soon as he was finished?
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at February 04, 2022 12:07 PM (pNxlR)
Posted by: Max Power at February 04, 2022 12:07 PM (Hucnr)
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at February 04, 2022 12:07 PM (lz5hY)
Of course, if we had a cheap, clean, reliable source of power for EVs, the Greenies would be first in line to ban it.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 04, 2022 12:05 PM (/U27+)
Greenies want the Garden of Eden and everyone but them living in a primitive "harmony with the land" lifestyle.
Posted by: NR Pax at February 04, 2022 12:08 PM (4olE8)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at February 04, 2022 12:06 PM (RoIW/)
Aren't they talking about blocking out the sun? You know, to save the planet?
Posted by: Jordan61 at February 04, 2022 12:08 PM (Ez6QX)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 04, 2022 12:08 PM (7FK6+)
Theoretically, we could already do this with flashlight batteries, but they are too small, and too widely dispersed for it to be economically viable.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 04, 2022 12:08 PM (P3gRi)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at February 04, 2022 12:06 PM (RoIW/)
Aren't they talking about blocking out the sun? You know, to save the planet?
Posted by: Jordan61 at February 04, 2022 12:08 PM (Ez6QX)
Snowpiercer was such a great movie!
Posted by: Bill Gates at February 04, 2022 12:09 PM (llON8)
you know what else is a decade away?
Posted by: fusion power at February 04, 2022 12:04 PM (2PdcG)
We're nearly a thing!
Posted by: Dippin' Dots at February 04, 2022 12:09 PM (4I/2K)
Stop being logical.
Posted by: Nome de Plume at February 04, 2022 12:09 PM (frJES)
We're gonna need a $hitload of batteries.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at February 04, 2022 12:10 PM (bVYXr)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at February 04, 2022 12:06 PM (RoIW/)
Those Generac solar-powered battery storage ads drive me nuts with that kind of happy talk.
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at February 04, 2022 12:10 PM (dfRN6)
Power came back on at Schloss Hadrian, but I was staring 2021 in the face again. Good news is that the transfer switch worked and we can at least run the furnace and well off the 7500 watt generator.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 04, 2022 12:10 PM (/U27+)
Hmm. Lemme see if I can figure out why.
Oh yeah. No horse stable or horse, faster and more convenient just off the top of my head.
Hard to have a horse and buggy in a small garage/shed.
The point is people knew the future looked better with cars and weren't resistant to the change.
People look at EVs and think, why?
Nothing wrong with having them on the market, but the buying public has seen them and mostly said no.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at February 04, 2022 12:10 PM (MFphb)
Biden Advisor Struggles To Respond To CNN Pointing Out Cities Seeing Record Crime Are Run By Dems
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Stupid Son of a Bitch at February 04, 2022 12:10 PM (FVME7)
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We can only hope.
Posted by: President Select Decaf at February 04, 2022 12:10 PM (N2gf7)
Posted by: redridinghood at February 04, 2022 12:10 PM (NpAcC)
Posted by: fd at February 04, 2022 12:11 PM (vrz2I)
Posted by: Capital Eff at February 04, 2022 12:12 PM (GYllL)
Proving yet again - nobody likes the Dutch.
Posted by: Nome de Plume at February 04, 2022 12:12 PM (frJES)
Posted by: fd at February 04, 2022 12:12 PM (vrz2I)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at February 04, 2022 12:12 PM (txdEq)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'invite a friend for dinner' at February 04, 2022 12:12 PM (RoIW/)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 04, 2022 12:10 PM (/U27+)
Your preps worked in a real life test. Salute!
Posted by: Count de Monet at February 04, 2022 12:13 PM (4I/2K)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
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Our city just transferred all So Cal Edison accounts to the "community" government run crimin... collective. They didn't ask, they just did it. So unless you knew this was coming and opted out like I did you are in government controlled and priced electricity.
Now after two months "people" on NextDoor are complaining about huge electricity bills. Some double the old SCE bills.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at February 04, 2022 12:13 PM (iDcra)
Posted by: fd at February 04, 2022 11:02 AM (vrz2I)
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We have had flying cars for some time now, they are called helicopters. Put wheels on them and there you have it.
Posted by: President Select Decaf at February 04, 2022 12:13 PM (N2gf7)
Seema bit of a toxic waste issue to me.
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As a kid in the early sixties we loved to check out the fire pit behind the dentist's office. We had some remarkable dental mold ashtrays. Shit kids don't get to enjoy today.
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 04, 2022 12:14 PM (sVfvf)
DD powered. I like it.
https://tinyurl.com/4utud5pw
Posted by: Capital Eff at February 04, 2022 12:14 PM (GYllL)
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 04, 2022 11:29 AM (mZOHK)
Canada's military is competent, but very small. Probably more guns in the hands of civilians that in the military. And I expect many members would desert, if ordered to fire on decent people like the truckers.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 04, 2022 12:14 PM (P3gRi)
Everyone will be all-electric by then. The EU already has banned gas and diesel in that timeframe, so the manufacturers have to adapt regardless of what happens in the US.
Posted by: Ian S. at February 04, 2022 12:15 PM (ZGrMX)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at February 04, 2022 12:15 PM (FJG7h)
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 04, 2022 11:02 AM (mZOHK)
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At this point it makes more sense then the BS being fed the world.
Posted by: President Select Decaf at February 04, 2022 12:15 PM (N2gf7)
There's a reason they call me the Biden of San Francisco.
Posted by: Jimmy Garoppolo at February 04, 2022 12:15 PM (FJYfm)
We'll see. Canuckistani urban police seemed to have no problem with arresting disobedient preachers. Not that our urban angels in blue are any different.
Posted by: Nome de Plume at February 04, 2022 12:16 PM (frJES)
That argument was all the source of the government sterilizing and lobotomizing people in the progressive era, and has literally no limits.
Again, if we had an opposition party they'd be talking about "diet mandates", "stop smoking/drinking/using drug mandates" etc...
Posted by: 18-1 at February 04, 2022 12:16 PM (ESjRY)
Posted by: Mrs. O'Leary at February 04, 2022 12:16 PM (FJYfm)
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 04, 2022 11:02 AM (mZOHK)
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At this point it makes more sense then the BS being fed the world.
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The answer is electrified rails all across America. Fried deer jerky for all.
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 04, 2022 12:16 PM (sVfvf)
It would be good for someone to get that statement in Trudeau's face right now...
Posted by: 18-1 at February 04, 2022 12:17 PM (ESjRY)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 04, 2022 11:39 AM (/U27+)
It is only with great reluctance that I join this punfest.
Posted by: Fox2! at February 04, 2022 12:17 PM (qyH+l)
There's a reason they call me the Biden of Hiroshima.
Posted by: Harry Truman at February 04, 2022 12:17 PM (ZGrMX)
you know what else is a decade away?
Posted by: fusion power at February 04, 2022 12:04 PM (2PdcG)
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The end of Covid restrictions?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 04, 2022 12:17 PM (YqDXo)
Posted by: Carnac the Magnificent at February 04, 2022 12:17 PM (HyD1b)
Got those 400 million masks delivered. Okay we'll need 400 million more by Monday if we change them the way they require.
Electric cars will need maintenance somewhere between never and as much as ICE, getting more the older they get.
Posted by: Senor Coffee at February 04, 2022 12:18 PM (iSbhf)
"Chevrolet Bolt vehicles are prohibited from entry"
Posted by: Ronchris at February 04, 2022 12:18 PM (f2Yap)
Posted by: rickb223
The same place the oil comes from....out of the ground. Lithium production is growing exponentially (research lithium - clay extraction) and new battery plants are being built all over the country. The supply will grow to meet the demand. Furthermore, EV batteries are almost completely recyclable take a look at the company called Redwood Materials...they will make a fortune recycling EV batteries...yes that's free investment advice.
Posted by: Logan at February 04, 2022 12:19 PM (A1X8Q)
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The Canadian army is smaller than the NYPD. True story.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 04, 2022 12:20 PM (YqDXo)
I imagine some of you better-read commenters can explain why this is either unfeasible or why it hasn't been implemented yet. Perhaps just too costly? Not sure what people would pay for this, but if you've already blown all that money on a status symbol ...
Posted by: ShainS -- A faculty lounge, if you can keep it. at February 04, 2022 11:15 AM
The idea was to quick swap charged batteries for discharged batteries which would make the range thing less important. The problem is that you can't guarantee you wouldn't be swapping your battery pack with 1000 recharges left on it for a battery pack with 10 recharges left on it, making basically 99% of your car's value disappear.
Posted by: Cybersmythe - SE Texas MiniMoMe March 26 at February 04, 2022 12:20 PM (ezpv1)
"Chevrolet Bolt vehicles are prohibited from entry"
Posted by: Ronchris at February 04, 2022 12:18 PM (f2Yap)
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Should be called the Chevrolet Dolt.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 04, 2022 12:21 PM (YqDXo)
Posted by: banana Dream at February 04, 2022 12:21 PM (l6b3d)
And he should have made those noises 18 months ago, and done it 17 months ago.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at February 04, 2022 11:38 AM (txdEq)
Premier. In this case, Scott Moe. Thing is, the SK mandates are set to end Feb. 28, anyway. So go ahead, end them 3 weeks early, and be a hero, not a zero.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 04, 2022 12:21 PM (P3gRi)
The salt belt is already hell on the electrical connections in ICE cars (ask "South Main Auto" on YouTube). Just wait until a connector with 400 volts going through it gets the "green crusties".
Posted by: Ian S. at February 04, 2022 12:21 PM (ZGrMX)
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at February 04, 2022 12:24 PM (j5ceG)
If it burns up there won't be anything left to identify you or it either
Posted by: Senor Coffee at February 04, 2022 12:24 PM (iSbhf)
Now after two months "people" on NextDoor are complaining about huge electricity bills. Some double the old SCE bills.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at February 04, 2022 12:13 PM (iDcra)
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Same thing here; I read the blurb, rolled my eyes, and immediately went online to opt out and stick with SDG&E. I know an incipient train wreck when I see one.
It was obvious: the local crime syndicate was going to buy electricity from SDG&E, and sell it more cheaply.
Oh. OK. Interposing middlemen is a well-known way to cut costs.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 04, 2022 12:26 PM (YqDXo)
Posted by: The Collander Man at February 04, 2022 12:37 PM (pVjpT)
Posted by: Puddin Head at February 04, 2022 12:03 PM (sVfvf)
Why throw it away? The most concentrated lithium "ore" you will ever find is depleted lithium batteries. Just peel the wrappers off, and toss them into the smelter.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 04, 2022 12:38 PM (P3gRi)
Oh, and by the way, a company that has spent years and millions of dollars proving out a large area of copper and other critical metals, the Maturi deposit in upper Minnesota, has had it's lease cancelled. See here: https://tinyurl.com/63p8nmcm
Way to build back better, Brandon.
Posted by: George V at February 04, 2022 12:38 PM (U2Tva)
Posted by: mc at February 04, 2022 12:40 PM (arTnq)
Posted by: fd at February 04, 2022 12:06 PM (vrz2I)
Single-use, but recyclable, with the recycling done by the factories that make the batteries. And the battery housings, etc. would be reused; just the electrodes and electrolyte get recycled. Which is already done with lead-acid car batteries.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 04, 2022 12:43 PM (P3gRi)
Posted by: Recall the Death Jabs at February 04, 2022 12:59 PM (fUm2i)
Posted by: wth at February 04, 2022 01:05 PM (v0R5T)
Duh.
Posted by: nurse ratched
You may laugh.I was at a party where someone brought this up. Except it was to put generators in the front wheels that would recharge the car as the back motors made it go. He was hailed as a genius and nothing I said could convince him or the others at the part that this was not the dumbest idea ever.
I decided that. Ishtar that a simple iq test should be required for voting.
Posted by: Loki at February 04, 2022 01:09 PM (ZW1rs)
I'm here to tell you: electric cars really are better, and the great majority of all cars sold will be electric by 2030 at latest. By then electric cars will cost less than an equivalent gas car (unsubsidized), and even now electric cars are cheaper to operate and cheaper to repair.
A gas or diesel vehicle is always trying to break itself. It burns up the lubricating oil; it gets so hot it would ruin itself except that it has a giant radiator and gallons of water; and a transmission has thousands of little parts. (I have paid for a transmission rebuild and it's not cheap.)
An electric car is much simpler. It literally has only a couple dozen moving parts. It's also quiet.
Yes, you can only drive my car for about four hours before you need to stop and charge it. Tesla has chargers all over the place and we have a meal while the car charges. Overall it's only a little bit slower than a gasoline car for long-distance drives.
I'm a Moron like everyone else here. My car is practical transportation, not a status symbol. I would be happy to answer questions if you have any.
Posted by: mr_jack at February 04, 2022 04:36 PM (LNPSJ)
You don't need oil changes, because the car doesn't burn up its oil. You don't need smog control checks because the car has no emissions. You never need a transmission rebuild because the car has no transmission. The major problem: the car costs too much.
But costs are coming down. The Tesla Roadster was $120,000 or more. The Tesla Model S was $80,000 or more. The Tesla Model 3 was $40,000 or more.
The day will come when Tesla sells a car for $25,000 (in today's dollars... by then Brandon and the Dems might have inflated the money so bad it will be 25 trillion dollars).
If you were willing to drive an unsafe car you could get a Chinese electric car for $5,000 right now.
Posted by: mr_jack at February 04, 2022 04:44 PM (LNPSJ)
First, the modern gasoline station network didn't appear because it was built by someone. It wasn't planned or "designed". It was a bunch of individuals thinking "You know, people need gas to make their cars go, and I bet they would willingly drive to my place for it instead of needing it delivered to their house by a big smelly truck every week. I'll put one here." And later by individuals thinking "You know, there sure is a lot of traffic along this highway, and there's no stop for gas along this stretch. I'll put a gas station here."
Second, I could see using an EV as the vacation car towed behind an RV. You ensure the generator in the RV can generate the kind of electricity you need, and you can just plug it in when you get where you're going and run about in it.
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2022 05:23 PM (A2G/3)
"delivered a grand total of 26 electric vehicles"
Wait, which is it? Those are TOTALLY different measures.
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2022 05:24 PM (A2G/3)
Nope. Because the regulations have been written to provide extremely high barriers of entry to new manufacturers, and the demand will remain. It might require subsidies, or a gov't purchase of a vast fleet of vehicles, but they'll find some way to "survive".
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2022 05:26 PM (A2G/3)
They're basically being faulted for not doing things they aren't even designed to be doing.
Try doing at least a little more studying of how the technology is working in its current state and where the trend lines are heading. Battery capacity is rapidly increasing, as is the massive SuperCharger netowrk as well as lesser charges.
EVs are meant to be fully charged overnight in your garage, you hipster homeless, car-less power-stealing morons. They are meant for trips around town, not continent-spanning road trips. Even if they can do so with the horrid monstrous inconvenience of driving for four hours then stopping to eat and use the bathroom while your car is charging.
Posted by: rayra at February 04, 2022 06:57 PM (eJd7P)
We have had a long road trip in our Tesla and I would do it again. The car is comfortable and has good traffic-aware cruise control, which really helped on the long drive. The nice stereo plays Internet music with no ads, and the air filter is also great.
Part of the trip we did in the wee hours, and that sucked. Since everything was closed we had to sit and wait for the car to charge, and then find a 24-hour gas station and buy snacks and use the restroom, so it took overall way longer than a gas car. But the part of the trip we did during daytime was great; in all cases we took longer eating our food than the car needed for charging.
So if you are trying to do a coast-to-coast cannonball race, an electric car would suck. But for us the Tesla is all we want even for really long trips.
Posted by: mr_jack at February 04, 2022 08:49 PM (LNPSJ)
Those overcharged 26 Chevys sound like an electrical hazard whose product life will be effectively grounded.
Posted by: WillieStark at February 04, 2022 11:58 PM (WUha0)
If you want to understand Tesla, understand the focus not on the car, but on their technology advances in scaling out mass production.
Posted by: WillieStark at February 05, 2022 12:03 AM (WUha0)
So now he has a car that cannot drive farther than the small town closest to him.
Buying a new battery and having it installed cost half as much as the car is worth, he cannot sell it because who wants a used electric car that can't be driven home if that home is 70 miles away one way.
But, It has a real fine radio in it!
Posted by: obsidian at February 05, 2022 10:29 AM (BcPp2)
Teslas cost more than a Nissan Leaf because they are made better. The Leaf has passive air cooling for the battery, and Nissan just hopes you won't fry the battery cells when charging. Sadly, you will.
Any Tesla has active cooling, where it pumps a water/antifreeze mixture through the battery to cool it, and it's tied into the air conditioning system... on a hot day, I literally hear the air conditioner start running when the car is on a Supercharger.
I recommend a used Nissan Leaf as a really cheap car. I know someone with a teen who is about old enough to drive and we are thinking that an old used Leaf might be a good car. I saw a 12-year-old Nissan Leaf that had a 70 mile range left, with an asking price of less than $6000; and I figure that would be plenty for a teen who shouldn't be driving huge distances unattended.
I do not recommend buying a new Nissan Leaf.
Posted by: mr_jack at February 05, 2022 04:08 PM (LNPSJ)
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