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Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov: The US Must Get Out of All Former Soviet States and Promise Unambiguously To Cede Them to Russia
France Is So Impressed by Brandon's Leadership They Want Separate Talks With Russia
Russia is demanding, ahead of security talks to take place in Geneva, that the US retreat completely from Eastern Europe, and essentially declare it to be the Soviet Sphere of Influence again.
Seriously, that's what they're demanding.
Russia wants Nato to remove all of its forces from Bulgaria, Romania and other ex-communist states in eastern Europe that joined the alliance after 1997, the foreign ministry said on Friday, underlining Moscow's hardline position ahead of security talks with the US in Geneva. Sergei Lavrov, Russia's foreign minister, said in a written Q&A on the ministry's website that Russia's demands included "withdrawing foreign forces, equipment, and armaments and making other steps to return to the condition as of 1997", when Nato began admitting former Warsaw Pact countries. "That includes Bulgaria and Romania," Lavrov said, adding that Russia's demand was "core" and "deliberately worded as clearly as possible so as not to allow any dual interpretations".I guess Brandon's magisterial one hour, fifty minutes of Successful Standing did not have the intimidating effect that Noted Foreign Policy Sage Rachel Maddow envisioned. They apparently were more impressed by his openly-inviting-them-to-conquer-Ukraine. So, how strong is NATO, a year into Brandon's "presidency"? So strong that French president Emanuel Macron wants Europe to hold separate negotiations with Russia, excluding the US.
French President Emmanuel Macron's call for the European Union to pursue its own talks with the Kremlin is raising fears of a split developing in the Western response to the threat of a Russian invasion in Ukraine. Macron has struggled in the past to convince his EU partners of the need for Europe to take regional security into its own hands and depend less on the United States. His speech to European lawmakers Wednesday, though, in which he called for the bloc to negotiate its own security and stability pact with the Kremlin, was welcomed by Russian state-owned media. But some Central European and Baltic leaders said Macron's comments were ill-timed and risk encouraging the Kremlin to try to play the U.S. and EU against each other, and cause a divide as the U.S. calls for Western unity. Carl Bildt, the former Swedish prime minister, said he was at a loss to understand what Macron means about coming up with "a new order of security and stability."NeverTrump, NeverTrump, have you gotten your Norms restored yet? NeverTrump, NeverTrump, have you gotten your Neocon New World Order back yet?
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(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at January 21, 2022 12:08 PM (wAnMi)
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at January 21, 2022 12:08 PM (bVYXr)
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at January 21, 2022 12:08 PM (wAnMi)
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at January 21, 2022 12:09 PM (wmDcS)
-Jonah Goldberg, probably
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 21, 2022 12:09 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: fluffy at January 21, 2022 12:09 PM (UnQlg)
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at January 21, 2022 12:10 PM (bVYXr)
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at January 21, 2022 12:10 PM (wAnMi)
Posted by: CtHilary, dead but dreaming at January 21, 2022 12:10 PM (zSyrn)
Posted by: Sponge - Remembering Oregon Muse at January 21, 2022 12:11 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: BignJames at January 21, 2022 12:11 PM (AwYPR)
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at January 21, 2022 12:11 PM (wmDcS)
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at January 21, 2022 12:12 PM (U7wke)
Posted by: Amy Schumer at January 21, 2022 12:12 PM (iDcra)
Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 21, 2022 12:12 PM (I2/tG)
Posted by: N.L. Urker, resolved to lurking at January 21, 2022 12:12 PM (eGTCV)
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at January 21, 2022 12:12 PM (KbCG3)
Posted by: Caliban at January 21, 2022 12:12 PM (HgGBT)
Posted by: Sponge - Remembering Oregon Muse at January 21, 2022 12:12 PM (Zz0t1)
Biden: "Russia can have a little invasion, as a treat."
Posted by: David - Republic of Texas at January 21, 2022 12:12 PM (YY4p1)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 21, 2022 12:12 PM (z5Vrg)
Posted by: Mark1971 at January 21, 2022 12:12 PM (xPl2J)
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 21, 2022 12:13 PM (yrol0)
Posted by: brak at January 21, 2022 12:13 PM (I4hmj)
Posted by: N.L. Urker, resolved to lurking at January 21, 2022 12:13 PM (eGTCV)
Posted by: Axeman at January 21, 2022 12:13 PM (XHhHI)
Posted by: In Reel Life (yes, dummy, on purpose) at January 21, 2022 12:13 PM (QYPq3)
I'm sure it will be done, but, my imagination just isn't good enough.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 21, 2022 12:13 PM (5pTK/)
Posted by: mr tmz at January 21, 2022 12:13 PM (m/Gc2)
I hope they stop looking to us for protection.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 21, 2022 12:13 PM (LvTSG)
I heard that in George Costanza's voice.
Posted by: fluffy at January 21, 2022 12:13 PM (UnQlg)
To stop the spread of Russian influence?
That horse left the barn and died of old age, and the barn burnt down, fell over, and sank into the swamp.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 21, 2022 12:13 PM (6FeV1)
Posted by: Wally at January 21, 2022 12:13 PM (FJYfm)
Posted by: Beatles at January 21, 2022 12:13 PM (YdnVw)
Posted by: National Google Review! at January 21, 2022 12:13 PM (I2/tG)
And if France goes outside of NATO for high-level discussions, then NATO is nearly dead anyway. Germany or Britain would be bigger deals, but France isn't nothing.
Brandon's "just the tip" strategic doctrine is working out great.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 21, 2022 12:14 PM (DU+/6)
Posted by: Skip's Phone at January 21, 2022 12:14 PM (FpGpn)
To stop the spread of Russian influence?
That horse left the barn and died of old age, and the barn burnt down, fell over, and sank into the swamp.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 21, 2022 12:13 PM (6FeV1)
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Right after the March of Dimes.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 21, 2022 12:14 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Lawful Good is Not Lawful Perfect at January 21, 2022 12:14 PM (XvPQV)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 21, 2022 12:14 PM (PI4M2)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 21, 2022 12:14 PM (UuD2k)
Posted by: runner at January 21, 2022 12:14 PM (dP3gR)
Putin laughs because he knows without America, the EU is loaded with pussies and he'll fuck them like the whores they are.
Posted by: Sponge - Remembering Oregon Muse at January 21, 2022 12:14 PM (Zz0t1)
We will look back on today and say "those were the good old days."
Posted by: blaster at January 21, 2022 12:15 PM (9otr5)
Posted by: Mark1971 at January 21, 2022 12:15 PM (xPl2J)
What was Gates statement about Brandon again?
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at January 21, 2022 12:15 PM (vjigd)
The Cuck Clowns have major boners over this. They are cheering on the globalist puppeteers that are managing to keep FJB dancing. Being the tone-deaf imbeciles that they are, they will be shocked...shocked, I tells ya!, when this shit hits the proverbial fan.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 21, 2022 12:15 PM (Xrfse)
Posted by: Scott at January 21, 2022 12:15 PM (QvuuX)
Posted by: In Reel Life (yes, dummy, on purpose) at January 21, 2022 12:15 PM (QYPq3)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at January 21, 2022 12:15 PM (iDcra)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 21, 2022 12:15 PM (PI4M2)
Posted by: kraken at January 21, 2022 12:15 PM (6Je/Q)
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 21, 2022 12:13 PM (yrol0)
That's great, but who are the chefs?
Posted by: Sponge - Remembering Oregon Muse at January 21, 2022 12:16 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at January 21, 2022 12:16 PM (0OmEj)
Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at January 21, 2022 12:16 PM (MFZ8i)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 21, 2022 12:15 PM (PI4M2)
Now do UN!
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 21, 2022 12:16 PM (yrol0)
Posted by: The Press at January 21, 2022 12:16 PM (XHhHI)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 21, 2022 12:16 PM (63Dwl)
Even better, Mr. of Spades! We may have our Cold War back! Medium-hot even!
Posted by: Mr French (thanks, Buffy) at January 21, 2022 12:16 PM (EughT)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 21, 2022 12:16 PM (PI4M2)
"The Biden administration is planning for a high-profile public showdown with Russia at the United Nations Security Council if Moscow intervenes in Ukraine...the Security Council, with its iconic horseshoe-shaped table and seats reserved for the world's big powers, has provided a visually powerful set piece for some of modern history's most dramatic geopolitical confrontations, from the Cuban missile crisis to the U.S.-led war in Iraq...The Biden administration wants to take advantage of that to highlight Russia's diplomatic isolation and, if possible, to place a wedge between Russia and its most powerful ally, China, which has been one of the council's proponents of defending the territorial sovereignty of U.N. member states."
If that doesn't reassure you, I don't know what will!
Posted by: NeverTrump Inc at January 21, 2022 12:16 PM (XH/zt)
Posted by: AstroDB at January 21, 2022 12:16 PM (a48q1)
-Jonah Goldberg, probably
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 21, 2022 12:09 PM (LvTSG)
"Through his instinctive nature to act with strength, Biden has powered Putin into a corner. This is simply Putin acting as a cornered animal. It's a shame that Biden simply cannot harness his natural alpha tendencies, but who can blame him?"
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at January 21, 2022 12:16 PM (KbCG3)
Posted by: Skip's Phone at January 21, 2022 12:16 PM (FpGpn)
I think the French might still be a bit pissed over the whole submarine deal, if nothing else.
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at January 21, 2022 12:17 PM (ZSK0i)
Posted by: nurse ratched at January 21, 2022 12:17 PM (kXooL)
And why? They have infested their countries with poison pill muzzies and layabout citizens. If you won the war you would lose the peace.
Russia is better off building a wall to keep the West out.
Posted by: torabora at January 21, 2022 12:17 PM (YdnVw)
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 21, 2022 12:17 PM (yrol0)
Posted by: NeverTrump Inc at January 21, 2022 12:16 PM (XH/zt)
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The UN will give them the cold shoulder! Oh no!
All the while Germany keeps giving them billions of dollars for natural gas.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 21, 2022 12:17 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 21, 2022 12:17 PM (z8oRC)
Posted by: It's me donna at January 21, 2022 12:17 PM (TdaKq)
Here he is expressing greater territorial conquest and sphere of influence.
Posted by: blaster at January 21, 2022 12:17 PM (9otr5)
https://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=QIzXI-mlJjs
Posted by: Sarajevo, 2022! at January 21, 2022 12:17 PM (I2/tG)
Posted by: Captain Hate won't forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at January 21, 2022 12:17 PM (y7DUB)
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at January 21, 2022 12:09 PM (wmDcS)
I'm not certain that's a bad thing. Sure, western Europe will be conquered by Russia but they were being conquered by Islam anyway.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at January 21, 2022 12:17 PM (U7wke)
They leave the West behind (Da, da, da)
And Moscow girls make me sing and shout (... Wooh, ooh, ooh)
That Georgia's always on
My, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my mind
Posted by: Vlad and the Impalers at January 21, 2022 12:18 PM (MzKgG)
I know it, because the Stander told me.
Posted by: Axeman at January 21, 2022 12:18 PM (XHhHI)
I mean it worked so well in Afghanistan.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 21, 2022 12:18 PM (PI4M2)
Remember when the SCOTUS told the voters they had no standing?
Putin just told Biden the same thing.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Joe Biden allows minor incursions at January 21, 2022 12:18 PM (wklve)
But, the Junta can be totally relied on to oppose Russia.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 21, 2022 12:18 PM (5pTK/)
How did your Bill Clinton put it? Ah...yes..you should put some ice on that.
Posted by: Vladimir Putin at January 21, 2022 12:18 PM (ESjRY)
Posted by: nurse ratched at January 21, 2022 12:18 PM (kXooL)
I'm sure it will be done, but, my imagination just isn't good enough.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 21, 2022 12:13 PM (5pTK/)
According to these shitheads, the entire state of the world is Trump's fault, and there's absolutely no way to fix it because he fucked it up so bad. At least, that's what 99% of twatter commenters believe.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at January 21, 2022 12:18 PM (wAnMi)
Posted by: InCali at January 21, 2022 12:18 PM (eFvmN)
I hope they stop looking to us for protection.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 21, 2022 12:13 PM
When I saw how much money flowed into Obama from overseas my perception of how the rest of the world sees us turned 180 degrees around. They damn well didn't support him because he would make the USA stronger.
Posted by: Traitor Joe's Military Surplus at January 21, 2022 12:18 PM (dQvv7)
Posted by: torabora at January 21, 2022 12:17 PM (YdnVw)
Russians and other Slavs are the only Europeans with a positive track record against Big Muz...
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 21, 2022 12:18 PM (6FeV1)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at January 21, 2022 12:18 PM (iDcra)
Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 21, 2022 12:18 PM (fs1hN)
Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at January 21, 2022 12:19 PM (UHVv4)
Posted by: Robert Reich at January 21, 2022 12:19 PM (FJYfm)
Posted by: Joe Biden at January 21, 2022 12:19 PM (wUHYj)
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at January 21, 2022 12:17 PM (U7wke)
Old Soviets vs. Imslamofacist!
Moar popcorn please!
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 21, 2022 12:19 PM (yrol0)
Posted by: N.L. Urker, resolved to lurking at January 21, 2022 12:19 PM (eGTCV)
Posted by: I Mean at January 21, 2022 12:19 PM (U7bKD)
Posted by: Wally at January 21, 2022 12:13 PM (FJYfm)
LOL, you're right. To be honest, you've got to admire the Russians for playing this game so masterfully. They're going to get everything they really wanted (probably a piece of the Donbas region) without firing a shot, and everyone will end up thanking them for doing it.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 21, 2022 12:19 PM (trdmm)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Joe Biden allows minor incursions at January 21, 2022 12:19 PM (wklve)
Posted by: Traitor Joe's Military Surplus at January 21, 2022 12:18 PM (dQvv7)
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And now Ukrainian leadership is freaking the fuck out because Biden just told the world he was okay with Russia taking some of their territory.
Hubris has consequences.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 21, 2022 12:19 PM (LvTSG)
As much as I want to see Brandon's brain melt live on TV, this would not be a good moment for it.
Posted by: fluffy at January 21, 2022 12:19 PM (UnQlg)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 21, 2022 12:19 PM (PI4M2)
To stop the spread of Russian influence?
That horse left the barn and died of old age, and the barn burnt down, fell over, and sank into the swamp.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 21, 2022 12:13 PM (6FeV1)
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I generally agree. Our NATO allies don't usually pull their own weight and we subsidize them. We're also incompetent and ineffective, which makes NATO essentially valueless. Russia is a regional threat to Eastern Europe and West Asia, but they are no longer a global threat. The reason for NATO - to counter-balance the USSR - hasn't existed since 1992.
I have long been of the opinion that NATO is overdue to be dismantled and replaced. Given American impotence and incompetence, it is going to fail anyway.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 21, 2022 12:19 PM (DU+/6)
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at January 21, 2022 12:19 PM (1UHC+)
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 21, 2022 12:19 PM (yrol0)
Any claims of disassociation like all other "opinions" they share are purely ego-driven and venal. They don't give a flying shit about what Russia does unless it pays to do so.
Posted by: ... at January 21, 2022 12:20 PM (kqUdX)
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at January 21, 2022 12:17 PM (U7wke)
Old Soviets vs. Imslamofacist!
Moar popcorn please!
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 21, 2022 12:19 PM (yrol0)
At least the Russians aren't communist anymore. They also aren't woke.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 21, 2022 12:20 PM (z5Vrg)
I hope they stop looking to us for protection.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 21, 2022 12:13 PM
Hey Ukraine! Thanks for helping us stymie Trump! You F'd up. You trusted us.
Posted by: democrats at January 21, 2022 12:20 PM (EughT)
Posted by: nurse ratched at January 21, 2022 12:18 PM (kXooL)
On it!
Posted by: Grishka, Vasya, and Taras from Zaporozh at January 21, 2022 12:20 PM (6FeV1)
and China gets a whole bunch of the world
where do we go, I guess China? I mean we're basically a vassal state of them now
Posted by: Black Orchid at January 21, 2022 12:20 PM (j9HX3)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 21, 2022 12:19 PM (DU+/6)
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Now...kick the UN out of New York.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 21, 2022 12:20 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 21, 2022 12:20 PM (yQpMk)
All things good, Biden.
Unfortunately there have been no things good for the last year.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at January 21, 2022 12:20 PM (iDcra)
https://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=QIzXI-mlJjs
Posted by: Sarajevo, 2022! at January 21, 2022 12:17 PM (I2/tG)
Where's Dan Aykroyd and Chevy Chase when you need them?
Posted by: Sponge - Remembering Oregon Muse at January 21, 2022 12:20 PM (Zz0t1)
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Joe couldn't care less.
Hunter is in the closet with the KY jelly, though.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Joe Biden allows minor incursions at January 21, 2022 12:20 PM (wklve)
AND, related...
North Korea is jumping into the fray, saying they might forget all the concessions they made with the Trump admin.
Hahahahahahaha.
Good.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 21, 2022 12:20 PM (iUs96)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 21, 2022 12:20 PM (LvTSG)
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The UN was overdue to be dismantled within a few hours of its founding.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 21, 2022 12:21 PM (DU+/6)
Posted by: nurse ratched at January 21, 2022 12:18 PM (kXooL)
Fook you, Hans Brix!
Posted by: In Reel Life (yes, dummy, on purpose) at January 21, 2022 12:21 PM (QYPq3)
Posted by: Obligatory at January 21, 2022 12:21 PM (ESjRY)
Thanks, never trumpers.
Posted by: Infidel at January 21, 2022 12:21 PM (qpolg)
That is deeply disturbing. Thank you democrats and neocons for pushing Russia into the arms of China. Fucking dipshits.
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at January 21, 2022 12:21 PM (Edqda)
Posted by: N.L. Urker, resolved to lurking at January 21, 2022 12:21 PM (eGTCV)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 21, 2022 12:20 PM (LvTSG)
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The UN was overdue to be dismantled within a few hours of its founding.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 21, 2022 12:21 PM (DU+/6)
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America's greatest triumph of the 20th century was staying out of the League of Nations.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 21, 2022 12:21 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Wally at January 21, 2022 12:13 PM (FJYfm)
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They're still going to bring us to war, but we'll fall down the stairs and set the room on fire while doing it.
Posted by: Axeman at January 21, 2022 12:21 PM (XHhHI)
Posted by: VVP! at January 21, 2022 12:21 PM (I2/tG)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Joe Biden allows minor incursions at January 21, 2022 12:21 PM (wklve)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 21, 2022 12:22 PM (4fSQf)
Posted by: InCali at January 21, 2022 12:18 PM (eFvmN)
Postponed till March.
Posted by: Sponge - Remembering Oregon Muse at January 21, 2022 12:22 PM (Zz0t1)
I am not taking sloppy seconds from Hunter Biden!
Posted by: Vlad Putin at January 21, 2022 12:22 PM (ESjRY)
Posted by: It's me donna at January 21, 2022 12:22 PM (TdaKq)
Posted by: Dr. T at January 21, 2022 12:22 PM (bhRsz)
Posted by: Scott at January 21, 2022 12:22 PM (QvuuX)
Your numbers are off a bit.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 21, 2022 12:22 PM (z8oRC)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 21, 2022 12:19 PM (DU+/6)
Now...kick the UN out of New York.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 21, 2022 12:20 PM (LvTSG)
Concur X 2.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 21, 2022 12:22 PM (R/m4+)
Posted by: zmdavid at January 21, 2022 12:22 PM (xqRaG)
Anschluss didn't even indirectly affect us.
Yet it was exactly the tipping point that dragged us into a war in Europe where we ended up at the end losing the most troops in a single battle in our history.
Posted by: torabora at January 21, 2022 12:22 PM (YdnVw)
Color me surprised.
Posted by: Jak Sucio at January 21, 2022 12:22 PM (oWhW9)
Posted by: Scott at January 21, 2022 12:22 PM (QvuuX)
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*changes background to flying US flag*
"Patriotism!!!!"
-Jonah Goldberg
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 21, 2022 12:22 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Puddin Head at January 21, 2022 12:22 PM (uia9V)
Ole "Truneinnernashin-a-depression" himself.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 21, 2022 12:22 PM (RP+Jx)
He just had the US back out of a pipeline project to deliver Israeli natural gas to Europe.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 21, 2022 12:23 PM (YnYG3)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 21, 2022 12:23 PM (PI4M2)
Posted by: Diogenes at January 21, 2022 12:23 PM (axyOa)
Posted by: Roy at January 21, 2022 12:23 PM (eO55W)
Fuck FJB's illegal war!
Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at January 21, 2022 12:23 PM (UHVv4)
All things good, Biden.
Unfortunately there have been no things good for the last year.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at January 21, 2022 12:20 PM (iDcra)
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And jobs are still not back to 2019 levels.
Posted by: Axeman at January 21, 2022 12:23 PM (XHhHI)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Lawful Good is Not Lawful Perfect at January 21, 2022 12:23 PM (XvPQV)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Joe Biden allows minor incursions at January 21, 2022 12:23 PM (wklve)
Posted by: N.L. Urker, resolved to lurking at January 21, 2022 12:23 PM (eGTCV)
Posted by: torabora at January 21, 2022 12:23 PM (YdnVw)
Posted by: Puddin Head at January 21, 2022 12:23 PM (uia9V)
But how does the CCP feel about the Biden admin inviting Russia to expand its power and influence? I'd think they'd prefer not to have a competitive power right next door and they shoveled a whole lot of money at Biden. Of course they are happy not to have Trump demanding reasonable trade deals with the U.S. but on balance they may regret having an idiot who cannot even stay on the deep state script as the figurehead leader of the United States.
Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at January 21, 2022 12:23 PM (3cGpq)
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at January 21, 2022 12:10 PM (bVYXr)
I think we're headed that way. Not full blown WW3, but it wouldn't surprise me if the Germans refuse to permit overflights, which means US transports carrying arms for Ukraine end up prey for Russian fighters, forcing an air, and possibly naval, conflict between the US and Russia.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at January 21, 2022 12:23 PM (wmDcS)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 21, 2022 12:19 PM (DU
NATO like the UN were idealistic post WWII constructs that absolutely (predictably) failed. About the only thing they've done well is protect the wrong people and continue to metastasize. It's long past time they're gone, just like every damned alphabet agency in the USA. Grand ideas but failed experiments.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at January 21, 2022 12:23 PM (wAnMi)
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 21, 2022 12:20 PM (iUs96)
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What? That's impossible. I was told for years that Trump the warmonger was going to cause a war with the Norks and even if he didn't they would be building up strategic forces to hit us when he was looking and he was an amateur who got snowed by the Norks and bought into their PR state visit bullshit in a trip that was a national humiliation to the United States.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 21, 2022 12:23 PM (DU+/6)
The Pacific is likely not going to be so quiet and lucky.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 21, 2022 12:23 PM (mPRFJ)
Oh, I'm going to get a lot more than that before I'm finished...
Posted by: VVP! at January 21, 2022 12:23 PM (I2/tG)
Biden's puppet masters... Joe doesn't know what day of the week it is...
Posted by: It's me donna at January 21, 2022 12:23 PM (TdaKq)
Shit I do not expect the US to protect us.
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at January 21, 2022 12:23 PM (Edqda)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 21, 2022 12:23 PM (PI4M2)
Hey. We know how to do that too.
Posted by: Roy at January 21, 2022 12:23 PM (eO55W)
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at January 21, 2022 12:24 PM (KbCG3)
Posted by: In Reel Life (yes, dummy, on purpose) at January 21, 2022 12:15 PM (QYPq3)
At least in the end there will be only chaos. So I've heard anyway.
Posted by: Thrawn at January 21, 2022 12:24 PM (Rl7KJ)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 21, 2022 12:24 PM (PI4M2)
Sorry Joe, but Vlad is my guy now.
Posted by: Angela Merkel at January 21, 2022 12:24 PM (ESjRY)
Posted by: LASue at January 21, 2022 12:24 PM (Ed8Zd)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 21, 2022 12:24 PM (a3Q+t)
Any claims of disassociation like all other "opinions" they share are purely ego-driven and venal. They don't give a flying shit about what Russia does unless it pays to do so.
Posted by: ... at January 21, 2022 12:20 PM (kqUdX)
The Never Trumpers are just like the Socialists. They can't admit their worldview is a failure. It's just that the right people haven't tried it yet.
Posted by: Wally at January 21, 2022 12:24 PM (FJYfm)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 21, 2022 12:23 PM (PI4M2)
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Yes, but the Biden administration is super incompetent.
Posted by: Axeman at January 21, 2022 12:24 PM (XHhHI)
Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 21, 2022 12:24 PM (6liew)
(Last 4 years)
Sacramento County: with over 1,000,000 registered voters, removed ZERO (0).
Brooklyn: with 1.7 million registered voters, removed ZERO (0).
Bronx: with 867,000 registered voters, removed ONE (1) ineligible voters.
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 21, 2022 12:24 PM (yrol0)
Posted by: Puddin Head at January 21, 2022 12:24 PM (uia9V)
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 21, 2022 12:24 PM (6FeV1)
NATO has a value, but moron politicians don't know what to do with it.
See Bill "We Have to Go To Bosnia to Save NATO" Clinton.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 21, 2022 12:24 PM (RP+Jx)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 21, 2022 12:20 PM (LvTSG)
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The UN was overdue to be dismantled within a few hours of its founding.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 21, 2022 12:21 PM (DU+/6)
The Zeckendorfs donated the land that the UN was built upon to atone for what they did to the old Penn Station. They should have just apologized instead.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 21, 2022 12:24 PM (mdjgu)
Fuck that shit.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Lawful Good is Not Lawful Perfect at January 21, 2022 12:23 PM (XvPQV)
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Europe's own leadership class is selling itself to Russia and China. I'm not sure what the US is supposed to do about that.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 21, 2022 12:24 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 21, 2022 12:24 PM (4fSQf)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 21, 2022 12:20 PM (LvTSG)
Fumigate the building and turn it into VA housing.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at January 21, 2022 12:24 PM (wAnMi)
Posted by: Elric Blade at January 21, 2022 12:25 PM (iFTx/)
https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-outperforms-nations
-expectations-for-first-year-by-still-being-alive
Posted by: zmdavid at January 21, 2022 12:25 PM (xqRaG)
Posted by: torabora at January 21, 2022 12:25 PM (YdnVw)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 21, 2022 12:25 PM (dNqv+)
Posted by: Vlad P. at January 21, 2022 12:25 PM (QYPq3)
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at January 21, 2022 12:24 PM (KbCG3)
How about letting him assume office then, and throwing out this damnable meat puppet?
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 21, 2022 12:25 PM (6FeV1)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 21, 2022 12:19 PM (PI4M2)
If fighting Islam and wokeism was Russia's only priority, I might not mind it too much. It's what else they might be after that concerns me.
Posted by: Dr. T at January 21, 2022 12:25 PM (bhRsz)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 21, 2022 12:25 PM (yQpMk)
Bank on on French and company to suddenly become Patriotic and orgasm with delight at the thought of soldiers going into battle, then turning on those same soldiers should they be accused of "war crimes."
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 21, 2022 12:25 PM (5pTK/)
Posted by: brak at January 21, 2022 12:13 PM (I4hmj)
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**waves big flashlight**
Verry Nicccceee!
Posted by: Diogenes at January 21, 2022 12:25 PM (axyOa)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 21, 2022 12:23 PM (PI4M2)
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Yes, but the Biden administration is super incompetent.
Posted by: Axeman at January 21, 2022 12:24 PM (XHhHI)
The crackhead with nothing to lose is a dangerous motherfucker.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at January 21, 2022 12:25 PM (KbCG3)
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 21, 2022 12:26 PM (4I/2K)
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So they are just like us. What is your point?
Posted by: Puddin Head at January 21, 2022 12:26 PM (uia9V)
Posted by: torabora at January 21, 2022 12:23 PM (YdnVw)
Not true! He stood for 110 minutes!
Posted by: Rachel Maddow at January 21, 2022 12:26 PM (FJYfm)
His obsession with stopping evil creates a blind spot to seeing how globe trotting is not an inherent good.
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at January 21, 2022 12:26 PM (Edqda)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Joe Biden allows minor incursions at January 21, 2022 12:26 PM (wklve)
The only pipelines I support are Russian natural gas pipelines!
Posted by: Droolin Joe Biden! at January 21, 2022 12:26 PM (I2/tG)
Posted by: Ordinary American at January 21, 2022 12:26 PM (H8QX8)
That's a Brandon.
Posted by: torabora at January 21, 2022 12:26 PM (YdnVw)
Fuck that shit.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Lawful Good is Not Lawful Perfect at January 21, 2022 12:23 PM (XvPQV)
I'm not but it appears European leaders don't care if they do.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 21, 2022 12:26 PM (z8oRC)
Posted by: Infidel at January 21, 2022 12:26 PM (qpolg)
Posted by: BignJames at January 21, 2022 12:26 PM (AwYPR)
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 21, 2022 12:26 PM (6FeV1)
Hello infidels, remember us?
Posted by: A'Stan at January 21, 2022 12:26 PM (ESjRY)
As soon as it became apparent that Trump was the nominee, then President, and then essentially the party and country, they kept the moniker but pretended it meant all along these bastions of stout resolution would "never" *support* "Trump".
Their own stupid name is still a badge of their ineffectual pointlessness - and they're so blinded by ego they can't change it.
Posted by: ... at January 21, 2022 12:26 PM (kqUdX)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 21, 2022 12:19 PM (PI4M2)
If fighting Islam and wokeism was Russia's only priority, I might not mind it too much. It's what else they might be after that concerns me.
Posted by: Dr. T at January 21, 2022 12:25 PM (bhRsz)
What is after that you're worried about? Serious question.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 21, 2022 12:26 PM (z5Vrg)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 21, 2022 12:23 PM (PI4M2)
With nuclear weapons and a brutal dictator at the controls.
Posted by: Sponge - Remembering Oregon Muse at January 21, 2022 12:26 PM (Zz0t1)
I like putting on warm underwear right out of the dryer. Then looking around to see who they really belong to.
Posted by: Joe Biden at January 21, 2022 12:27 PM (dQvv7)
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Do you really want Merkel giving you head?
Posted by: Puddin Head at January 21, 2022 12:27 PM (uia9V)
Posted by: N.L. Urker, resolved to lurking at January 21, 2022 12:27 PM (eGTCV)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 21, 2022 12:27 PM (4fSQf)
Putin just has to threaten to cut off natural gas delivery and Europe bends over.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 21, 2022 12:27 PM (YnYG3)
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 21, 2022 12:27 PM (YIVH2)
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 21, 2022 12:27 PM (CCwsu)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at January 21, 2022 12:27 PM (iDcra)
That's less helpful than one would think.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Joe Biden allows minor incursions at January 21, 2022 12:27 PM (wklve)
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 21, 2022 12:27 PM (mPRFJ)
Posted by: Skip's Phone at January 21, 2022 12:16 PM (FpGpn)
Won't happen. That's their bargaining chip with Russia. Leave us in place as a puppet government and we'll give you this blackmail material over the US government.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at January 21, 2022 12:27 PM (U7wke)
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 21, 2022 12:27 PM (YIVH2)
They can have Germany
Posted by: It's me donna at January 21, 2022 12:27 PM (TdaKq)
Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 21, 2022 12:27 PM (VNGpB)
And yet Europe is incapable of defending itself, because they spend almost nothing on their militaries (with the exception of Poland and the Baltic States).
Posted by: VVP! at January 21, 2022 12:27 PM (I2/tG)
Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 21, 2022 12:28 PM (Xrfse)
Posted by: Klaus Schwab at January 21, 2022 12:28 PM (ESjRY)
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at January 21, 2022 12:21 PM (Edqda)
After Yelstin, that was probably unavoidable- but then, the neocons are very much responsible for looting post-Soviet Russia, and most of Putin's popularity stems from crushing the "Russian" oligarchs.
Posted by: trev006 at January 21, 2022 12:28 PM (Eqkqm)
with massive reserves of natural resources and nuclear weapons
Posted by: brak at January 21, 2022 12:28 PM (I4hmj)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 21, 2022 12:23 PM (PI4M2)
Yeah, but we're getting there! With Biden's leadershit soon we'll be just like Russia.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 21, 2022 12:28 PM (Y5qcH)
Deterrence, once lost, is difficult and high-risk to get back and regaining deterrence is a gamble that often ends in war. If you possess deterrence and like that, you must keep it rather than regain it. We lost deterrence under Obama in pretty significant ways. Trump's foreign policy was a combination of both ballsy *and* accommodating and it was multi-pronged (military, economy, trade, etc.). Trump didn't fully regain deterrence, especially around issues in Asia, but he made gigantic strides in that direction and did extremely well on that front. Korea was quiet. Russia was quiet. Asia generally was noisy but less so.
And now it's gone. The Brandon (mal)administration has done more damage in terms of security and deterrence and foreign policy in less than a year than Obama did in eight.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 21, 2022 12:28 PM (DU+/6)
Posted by: torabora at January 21, 2022 12:25 PM (YdnVw)
Don't be giving them ideas. It would be a fantastic idea to give an angry, senile dementia patient power armor out of Fallout 4 and a chain gun. Watch Robocop 2 play out in real time.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at January 21, 2022 12:28 PM (wAnMi)
Posted by: April Glaspie at January 21, 2022 12:28 PM (EughT)
(Last 4 years)
Sacramento County: with over 1,000,000 registered voters, removed ZERO (0).
Brooklyn: with 1.7 million registered voters, removed ZERO (0).
Bronx: with 867,000 registered voters, removed ONE (1) ineligible voters.
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 21, 2022 12:24 PM (yrol0)
Voter was confirmed as very sincerely dead.
Posted by: Bronx Voter Registrar at January 21, 2022 12:28 PM (4I/2K)
Posted by: Skip's Phone at January 21, 2022 12:16 PM (FpGpn)
Won't happen. That's their bargaining chip with Russia. Leave us in place as a puppet government and we'll give you this blackmail material over the US government.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at January 21, 2022 12:27 PM (U7wke)
As opposed to the blackmail material Russia already has?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at January 21, 2022 12:28 PM (KbCG3)
Big difference.
(OK, not really. Fuck Europe.)
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Yep.
Posted by: Puddin Head at January 21, 2022 12:28 PM (uia9V)
That's a Brandon.
Posted by: torabora at January 21, 2022 12:26 PM (YdnVw)
Remember how Dan Savage tried to popularize a new word that he called a 'santorum'? We need to find a definition for the word 'biden'.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 21, 2022 12:28 PM (mdjgu)
Posted by: VVP! at January 21, 2022 12:27 PM (I2/tG)
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"Um...America...could you please defend our welfare systems for a few decades?"
"Sure. Why not? If we don't, then the socialists will win."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 21, 2022 12:28 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Tonypete at January 21, 2022 12:28 PM (mD/uy)
The question nobody is asking:
Is China Abiding By The New Trade Rules They Agreed Upon With The Trump Admin?
(I'm gonna say Nope. And we'll never hear about it from Fake News or the Federal govt)
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 21, 2022 12:28 PM (iUs96)
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Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at January 21, 2022 12:29 PM (UHVv4)
Give the Russians their buffer zone. I'll enjoy all the neocon tears over their loss of war with Russia.
Posted by: John galt at January 21, 2022 12:29 PM (kB+Uw)
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I agree. They're going with the strong horse.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Joe Biden allows minor incursions at January 21, 2022 12:29 PM (wklve)
Russia joins forces with China to destroy the US.
China battles Russia for overall superiority.
Yeah, that sounds like fun and we should just step back and watch it.
Posted by: Sponge - Remembering Oregon Muse at January 21, 2022 12:30 PM (Zz0t1)
(Last 4 years)
Sacramento County: with over 1,000,000 registered voters, removed ZERO (0).
Brooklyn: with 1.7 million registered voters, removed ZERO (0).
Bronx: with 867,000 registered voters, removed ONE (1) ineligible voters.
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 21, 2022 12:24 PM (yrol0)
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You do understand that this is how NYC rules all of NY.
Posted by: Puddin Head at January 21, 2022 12:30 PM (uia9V)
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 21, 2022 12:30 PM (RP+Jx)
Posted by: setnaffa at January 21, 2022 12:30 PM (YA5l0)
It has been a pleasure knowing all you friends in a box. You have made me laugh, cry, rage, and most of all, think.
Thank you Ace (and the COBs) for hosting this wonderful site.
That said, I will now go back to pretending this is all normal, and everything else will forever be Unicorns and Rainbows. After all, If the Democrats can do it, so can I.
Posted by: rd at January 21, 2022 12:30 PM (Z32m1)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 21, 2022 12:23 PM (PI4M2)
Barely functioning is an improvement over Biden's America. Russia can't match the USA in quite a few military fields, but then the closer you get to Russian territory the less that matters.
Posted by: trev006 at January 21, 2022 12:30 PM (Eqkqm)
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Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at January 21, 2022 12:29 PM (UHVv4)
I giggled my muthafuckin ass off.
Posted by: Sponge - Remembering Oregon Muse at January 21, 2022 12:30 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 21, 2022 12:30 PM (vxATt)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 21, 2022 12:30 PM (dNqv+)
Now President PuddingCup ShitsHisPants can tell the Russians to Get Outta here and look tough doing it.
Posted by: Achilles at January 21, 2022 12:30 PM (bzsXQ)
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Geez I thought for a second you were describing us in 10 years
Posted by: ... at January 21, 2022 12:30 PM (kqUdX)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Joe Biden allows minor incursions at January 21, 2022 12:30 PM (wklve)
Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at January 21, 2022 12:29 PM (UHVv4)
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heh.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 21, 2022 12:30 PM (5pTK/)
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 21, 2022 12:30 PM (iUs96)
That's less helpful than one would think.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Joe Biden allows minor incursions at January 21, 2022 12:27 PM (wklve)
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Well, we wasted the best Army in the world losing a twenty-year war to a bunch of goat herders, and the same generals are still in charge.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 21, 2022 12:30 PM (axyOa)
Posted by: Axeman at January 21, 2022 12:24 PM (XHhHI)
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Hate to disagree but the Biden junta is extremely competent.
Their goal is the destruction of the USA and they have accomplished in one year what was hoped for in four years. They are efficient, ruthless, and way ahead of schedule. In some ways you have to admire them.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at January 21, 2022 12:31 PM (iDcra)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2022 12:31 PM (GPwVZ)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 21, 2022 12:26 PM (z5Vrg)
I don't know. I only know that if Russian domination of E and Central Europe was to return, they would have a lot of geopolitical leverage. Probably much more than we'd be comfortable with down the road.
And as much as we might half-admire Putin for being anti-woke, nations are historically driven by self-interest, not international ideological crusades.
Posted by: Dr. T at January 21, 2022 12:31 PM (bhRsz)
Putin is ex-KGB and wants to get the band back together. KGB does not leave one easily and Putin, seemingly, if given an inch will take a mile.
I have no desire for a nuclear power to control that much of Europe ever again.
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at January 21, 2022 12:31 PM (Edqda)
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 21, 2022 12:24 PM (RP+Jx)
All Slick did duting that misadventure was deplete NATO's supply of munitions while bombing the fuck out of Serbia in the name of "humanitarian relief". And blowing up China's embassy in Belgrade with a "smart missile". We'd have been better off with a monkey as Commander in Chief.
Posted by: Captain Hate won't forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at January 21, 2022 12:31 PM (y7DUB)
Posted by: Israel at January 21, 2022 12:31 PM (QYPq3)
Posted by: Capital Eff at January 21, 2022 12:31 PM (GYllL)
Here he is expressing greater territorial conquest and sphere of influence.
Posted by: blaster at January 21, 2022 12:17 PM (9otr5)
I saw something the other day, wish I could find it again to link it. It said that there are eight, or maybe nine, routes you can take to invade Russia. During the soviet days, they controlled all of them. Now they control two and they want the others back. Brandon, and the historical weakness of Europe, provides opportunity.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at January 21, 2022 12:31 PM (U7wke)
Posted by: Wally at January 21, 2022 12:31 PM (FJYfm)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 21, 2022 12:23 PM (PI4M2)
With nuclear weapons and a brutal dictator at the controls.
Posted by: Sponge
So, nothing to worry about then. What could go wrong?
Posted by: Puddleglum at work at January 21, 2022 12:31 PM (WROfJ)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 21, 2022 12:31 PM (63Dwl)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Joe Biden allows minor incursions at January 21, 2022 12:31 PM (wklve)
Ok, ok. We'll leave, but we're leaving behind the equipment and armaments. And that's my final offer.
Posted by: Joe Biden at January 21, 2022 12:31 PM (wUHYj)
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 21, 2022 12:27 PM (YIVH2)
Let's hope Russia isn't seriously asking themselves this.
Posted by: Ordinary American at January 21, 2022 12:31 PM (H8QX8)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 21, 2022 12:32 PM (YnYG3)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 21, 2022 12:24 PM (LvTSG)
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Now? Nothing. Trump did a decent job at checking Russian hegemony in Europe in a way that benefited us directly: energy (us to them) and enforcing financial obligations (them to us). That's over and done for now, and it isn't coming back without a war. Europe is lost to our interests now. There's still trade - and we need it, especially Germany, Italy, France and the UK - but that's it. We're not going to the hegemon there within two more years unless we go intervene militarily. I doubt we *could* effectively intervene at this point, and even if we can I don't know that we should.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 21, 2022 12:32 PM (DU+/6)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Joe Biden allows minor incursions at January 21, 2022 12:31 PM (wklve)
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That, or the death of FDR.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 21, 2022 12:32 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 21, 2022 12:27 PM (4fSQf)
IIRC, wasn't Joe opposed to that operation?
Posted by: BignJames at January 21, 2022 12:32 PM (AwYPR)
This is about me, isn't it?
Posted by: Mexico at January 21, 2022 12:32 PM (RP+Jx)
Posted by: Sponge - Remembering Oregon Muse at January 21, 2022 12:30 PM (Zz0t1)
Take out that second step, and yeah. The US is already broken and bloodied. Let the Russians and CCP turn their guns on each other while the US becomes a backwater New World also-ran, and give us a few decades to lick our wounds and let the indoctrinated lunatics slowly die off and be replaced with generations who witnessed first hand the fruits of "Progress at all costs".
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 21, 2022 12:32 PM (6FeV1)
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at January 21, 2022 12:27 PM (U7wke)
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Russia already has everything, as does China.
Posted by: IrishEi at January 21, 2022 12:32 PM (0TVNF)
Posted by: JM in Florida at January 21, 2022 12:32 PM (L7jyl)
Posted by: Wade Hampton at January 21, 2022 12:32 PM (Su9Le)
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at January 21, 2022 12:32 PM (9dzlp)
Posted by: Scott at January 21, 2022 12:33 PM (QvuuX)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 21, 2022 12:26 PM (z5Vrg)
I don't know. I only know that if Russian domination of E and Central Europe was to return, they would have a lot of geopolitical leverage. Probably much more than we'd be comfortable with down the road.
And as much as we might half-admire Putin for being anti-woke, nations are historically driven by self-interest, not international ideological crusades.
Posted by: Dr. T at January 21, 2022 12:31 PM (bhRsz)
We live half a world away. The USSR was an existential threat. A resurgent Russian, British, French, etc. empire in the old model isn't particularly alarming, unless you're in love with US hegemony. Not at the same level our internal wokeness or rising Islamism in Europe would be.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 21, 2022 12:33 PM (z5Vrg)
Posted by: DJIA Deathwatch at January 21, 2022 12:33 PM (t1eo9)
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 21, 2022 12:33 PM (4I/2K)
Wait until we deploy the 134th Tranny Brigade!
The Russians will never know what hit them, once we start demanding their personal pronouns!
Posted by: Droolin' Joe Biden! at January 21, 2022 12:33 PM (I2/tG)
Posted by: Jen Rubin at January 21, 2022 12:33 PM (sVtYq)
Posted by: Wade Hampton at January 21, 2022 12:33 PM (Su9Le)
The problem is "the Elite" aren't trusted. So the problem is with The Unwashed, really. They just don't understand The Elite only wants what's best for them.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 21, 2022 12:33 PM (iUs96)
No, no, no, no. He is NOT here.
Posted by: The Orange Julius Stand in Tyson's Corners, Virginia at January 21, 2022 12:33 PM (RP+Jx)
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France has the largest Army in Western Europe. They also have the largest police force. Stuff to remember.
Posted by: Puddin Head at January 21, 2022 12:33 PM (uia9V)
Posted by: kraken at January 21, 2022 12:33 PM (6Je/Q)
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Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at January 21, 2022 12:29 PM (UHVv4)
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That there is teh funny. Golf Clap
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at January 21, 2022 12:33 PM (iDcra)
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy
The "submarine" deal was stupid all around.
We will not be delivering those nuke subs to Australia for likely 20 years. What good will they be then, if the balloon goes up over Taiwan....soon?
The French were ready to deliver the diesel-electric subs to Australia, but again, these would have very limited ability to project any force beyond say, 1000 miles of Australia.
So yes, the French always want to step out of the crowd and prove how clever Frenchmen are. Yes, they want to work a separate deal with Putin, and undermine the alliance that they don't run.
Germany is going to make a deal with Putin and Russia because they NEED their natural gas pipeline to stay warm and run their industries.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at January 21, 2022 12:33 PM (vcOmj)
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at January 21, 2022 12:34 PM (KbCG3)
Posted by: Joe Biden at January 21, 2022 12:31 PM (wUHYj)
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Still laughing.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 21, 2022 12:34 PM (mPRFJ)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 21, 2022 12:33 PM (z5Vrg)
So you think Isolationism is the answer? Oki Doki
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2022 12:34 PM (GPwVZ)
Well, no. Those Generals have retired and been replaced by even worse ones.
Posted by: Puddleglum at work at January 21, 2022 12:34 PM (WROfJ)
He wishes to have Russia guarantee his country's safety. Effectively a vassal state.
Posted by: Cheese Eatin Surrender Monkeys gonna surrender at January 21, 2022 12:34 PM (eN5F0)
Posted by: Puddin Head at January 21, 2022 12:34 PM (uia9V)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Joe Biden allows minor incursions at January 21, 2022 12:34 PM (wklve)
Posted by: Puddin Head at January 21, 2022 12:33 PM (uia9V)
That did not help in May 1940. It won't help this time, either.
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 21, 2022 12:34 PM (4I/2K)
Send the word, send the word to beware
We'll be over, we're coming over
And we won't come back till it's over
Over there
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 21, 2022 12:35 PM (63Dwl)
We got a three year police action as a result.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 21, 2022 12:35 PM (YnYG3)
Posted by: Joe Biden at January 21, 2022 12:31 PM (wUHYj)
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Oy vey. I wish this was a funny comment. I really do.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 21, 2022 12:35 PM (DU+/6)
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 21, 2022 12:28 PM
Today's cookie fortune say "OrangeMan Bad, round-eye."
Posted by: Xi! at January 21, 2022 12:35 PM (a3Q+t)
Posted by: Wally at January 21, 2022 12:35 PM (FJYfm)
>>So, nothing to worry about then. What could go wrong?
You do realize that the only country that's used a nuclear weapon in anger is the US and that our side was the one talking up using tactical nukes to defend Ukraine.
As Tucker Carlson sagely put it, we are being led by very dangerous children.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 21, 2022 12:35 PM (vxATt)
Russia is like the Sears corporation -- on the brink of supposed financial collapse for decades.
I'm starting to wonder if Russia is doing okay, economically....
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 21, 2022 12:35 PM (iUs96)
Posted by: Task Force Smith! at January 21, 2022 12:35 PM (I2/tG)
Posted by: Ted Torgerson at January 21, 2022 12:35 PM (vN+oL)
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 21, 2022 12:35 PM (RP+Jx)
Posted by: Puddleglum at work at January 21, 2022 12:34 PM (WROfJ)
And the retired generals are busy selling us out to China.
Posted by: In Reel Life (yes, dummy, on purpose) at January 21, 2022 12:35 PM (QYPq3)
Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 21, 2022 12:28 PM (mdjgu)
How anyone who looks like Santorum made it to the Senate is anyone's guess. Probably a good guy but what adork.
Posted by: Captain Hate won't forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at January 21, 2022 12:35 PM (y7DUB)
your children shall fight on the landing grounds,
your children shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
your children shall fight in the hills;
and we shall never surrender as long as you still have children to send to fight!
Posted by: Liz Cheney at January 21, 2022 12:35 PM (ESjRY)
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 21, 2022 12:27 PM (YIVH2)
The Russian army itself? They struggled against Georgia in 2008 in that month-long conflict. I dunno how well the hybrid warfare model can work in Ukraine even with the pro-Russian portions.
Streetwise Prof sums up the danger behind Biden's blunder in that it might cause Biden's puppets to commit to larger action to appear tough and cause us to lose even if we "win". But then again, games of chicken are hard to predict, especially if one of the players is mentally compromised (as SP says).
https://tinyurl.com/ycyfxh8s
Posted by: Thrawn at January 21, 2022 12:36 PM (Rl7KJ)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 21, 2022 12:36 PM (Qzatw)
Lmfaoooooo
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at January 21, 2022 12:36 PM (Edqda)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at January 21, 2022 12:31 PM (iDcra)
I had this argument with my progressive brother over Covid. He writes off all the madness as incompetence, totally denies any grander plan or conspiracy. So I went down the list of lies and power-grabs flouting science and logic. He had no response. So much easier to live in denial.
Posted by: Ordinary American at January 21, 2022 12:36 PM (H8QX8)
Posted by: kraken at January 21, 2022 12:36 PM (6Je/Q)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Joe Biden allows minor incursions at January
Under most conditions....bingo!
But these are anything like normal times. I think the US gets a bloody nose and gets run out of Europe if we actually, physically engage the Russians.
Yeah, you did this, Joe Biden.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at January 21, 2022 12:36 PM (vcOmj)
Let's recap: French desperately want Iran to have nukes, but aren't keen on Russia taking a bite out of Ukraine?
Is that right?
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 21, 2022 12:36 PM (iUs96)
I keep hearing this. If that's the rationale for dismissing outright what may happen here, call me a skeptic.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 21, 2022 12:36 PM (Xrfse)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 21, 2022 12:33 PM (z5Vrg)
So you think Isolationism is the answer? Oki Doki
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2022 12:34 PM (GPwVZ)
I didn't say isolationism. But did you really think keeping everyone in place and the American global empire would remain forever?
The old european empires are not the sort of existential threat we were worried about but more of a return to the pre-WW1 environment.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 21, 2022 12:36 PM (z5Vrg)
Biden > Southern Invaders > Xi > Afghan "refugees" > Putin
Posted by: Obligatory at January 21, 2022 12:37 PM (ESjRY)
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at January 21, 2022 12:37 PM (DTX3h)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Joe Biden allows minor incursions at January 21, 2022 12:19 PM
Hey...I voted for Trump, and NATO is impotent. 50% correct so far! NATO won't disband anytime soon...too much money and prestige involved for European nations, along with guaranteed military protection from the US.
Posted by: Grimmy at January 21, 2022 12:37 PM (XH/zt)
Posted by: April Glaspie at January 21, 2022 12:37 PM (Qzatw)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 21, 2022 12:37 PM (dNqv+)
Posted by: Match Checksout at January 21, 2022 12:37 PM (dYe5S)
Posted by: Buzzion at January 21, 2022 12:37 PM (qNatv)
Is China Abiding By The New Trade Rules They Agreed Upon With The Trump Admin?
(I'm gonna say Nope. And we'll never hear about it from Fake News or the Federal govt)
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 21, 2022 12:28 PM (iUs96)
There was an actual story about two weeks ago. The Chinese never met their goals of buying US goods. The Neo-con(man)s said this was a good thing because Authoritarian Government China meeting the goals would demonstrate the control the Chinese Government has is China.
Posted by: rd at January 21, 2022 12:37 PM (Z32m1)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2022 12:34 PM (GPwVZ)
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Muscular Isolationism is my preference. Mess with American flagged ships, die. Mess with Americans, die.
World policing, no, I'm done and over that with that nonsense.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 21, 2022 12:38 PM (5pTK/)
No but if we have to get involved it has to be focused and narrow in scope. Puddle jumping is not the way
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at January 21, 2022 12:38 PM (Edqda)
Posted by: Puddin Head at January 21, 2022 12:33 PM (uia9V)
And both are make-work welfare programs. Their police let Muslims burn down half of Paris. But they keep collecting their checks.
France doesn't have the will or the ability to stop uprisings in the Ivory Coast. Get real.
Posted by: Wally at January 21, 2022 12:38 PM (FJYfm)
The Dems remind us of Marlon Brando in apocalypse now describing the VC chopping off vaccinated arms. The Dems don't care about the damage they do as they unwind PDTs policies. The Dems are all but telling us they'll drag the world into the depths of Hell before they will make accommodations with their domestic enemies.
Posted by: 2009Refugee at January 21, 2022 12:38 PM (8AONa)
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It helps the French not have to lap dance to President Moron.
Posted by: Puddin Head at January 21, 2022 12:38 PM (uia9V)
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at January 21, 2022 12:38 PM (9dzlp)
Posted by: Cuba, Iran, North Korea at January 21, 2022 12:39 PM (RP+Jx)
There was an actual story about two weeks ago. The Chinese never met their goals of buying US goods. The Neo-con(man)s said this was a good thing because Authoritarian Government China meeting the goals would demonstrate the control the Chinese Government has is China.
Posted by: rd
then All Is Well
Swell.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 21, 2022 12:39 PM (iUs96)
Their goal is the destruction of the USA and they have accomplished in one year what was hoped for in four years. They are efficient, ruthless, and way ahead of schedule. In some ways you have to admire them.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at January 21, 2022 12:31 PM (iDcra)
When Obongo was in office, his march left was measured. They could have done worse, but still considered public consensus. The Junta, most likely because of shitting their pants with Trump in office doesn't give a flying fuck. They will have it all, right here right now. No need to pretend to adhere to the constitution. Don't like it? See how a few years behind bars does to change your opinion.
I can't believe we've got 3 more years of this shit. I'll assume the final 2 are spent rounding up people for happy fun camp.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at January 21, 2022 12:39 PM (wAnMi)
Make sure to wash your hands Tom, and don't ask me how I know!
Posted by: Ashley Brandon at January 21, 2022 12:39 PM (ESjRY)
Posted by: Buzzion at January 21, 2022 12:37 PM (qNatv)
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It will happen, but we'll never hear of it.
Posted by: zmdavid at January 21, 2022 12:39 PM (xqRaG)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Joe Biden allows minor incursions at January 21, 2022 12:39 PM (wklve)
In a way this is not good but I could be for the best. As long as we do not give up more and perhaps try and succeed to recoup some of the respect that has been lost by taking certain actions but I doubt that this regime will act wisely.
That France wants to stab u sin the back as quick as it can is no surprise. Let them. When the deal they concoct with Russia goes bad they'll be whining and moaning for us to help them get out of it soon enough.
Right now we've got to straighten out our home front and also bring every soldier and sailor home.
Posted by: jakee308 at January 21, 2022 12:39 PM (BFQeJ)
is Tom Hanks back from Pedo Island?
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 21, 2022 12:39 PM (iUs96)
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This is about me isn't it?
Posted by: Sweater Vest at January 21, 2022 12:39 PM (iDcra)
Posted by: ... at January 21, 2022 12:40 PM (kqUdX)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 21, 2022 12:37 PM (dNqv+)
Don't clutter up the conversation with unpleasant facts like Western Europe cannot even defend Western Europe.
Posted by: rd at January 21, 2022 12:40 PM (Z32m1)
https://youtu.be/xc2fO_6o40A?t=3
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 21, 2022 12:30 PM (iUs96)
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At Davos a few years ago, the {unintelligible} survey showed us that, the good news is that the elite across the world trust each other more and more. So we can come together and design and do beautiful things together. The bad news is that in *every single country* they were polling, the majority of people trusted their elite less.
No shit.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 21, 2022 12:40 PM (DU+/6)
Posted by: rd at January 21, 2022 12:40 PM (Z32m1)
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They have old people to spend money on, and no children to take up arms.
They chose well.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 21, 2022 12:40 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Buzzion at January 21, 2022 12:37 PM (qNatv)
Eastern European, sure. The rest of them are pretty much the same psychologically as our NTs.
Hell, ace is not wrong: a few of them are probably jacking off at the thought of renewing the cold war.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 21, 2022 12:40 PM (dNqv+)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 21, 2022 12:41 PM (Qzatw)
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It helps the French not have to lap dance to President Moron.
Posted by: Puddin Head at January 21, 2022 12:38 PM (uia9V)
I guess so. But that's about it for projecting military might.
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 21, 2022 12:41 PM (4I/2K)
No shit.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 21, 2022 12:40 PM (DU+/6)
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Have they tried sucking less?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 21, 2022 12:41 PM (LvTSG)
The only thing this Farce is missing, so far, is Lindsey Graham appearing on Fox News, beating the drums of War.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 21, 2022 12:41 PM (iUs96)
The Dems remind us of Marlon Brando in apocalypse now describing the VC chopping off vaccinated arms. The Dems don't care about the damage they do as they unwind PDTs policies. The Dems are all but telling us they'll drag the world into the depths of Hell before they will make accommodations with their domestic enemies.
Posted by: 2009Refugee at January 21, 2022 12:38 PM (8AONa)
I've always said that I was open to voting for Obama if he would only treat our foreign enemies like he treated his domestic ones.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 21, 2022 12:41 PM (mdjgu)
Ok great, I see what's going on, the fucking Plandemic is winding down and now we are going to start up The War Machine and get involved in a land war in Europe.
Fucking great, just what we need.
Not.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 21, 2022 12:41 PM (vxATt)
We'll be over, we're coming over
And we won't come back till it's over
Over there
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 21, 2022 12:35 PM (63Dwl)
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WWII gave the necessary time and space to build needed arms. It now takes 5 years to build an aircraft carrier. It'll be "over" before we know it. But Gen. Milley understands white rage.
Posted by: JM in Florida at January 21, 2022 12:41 PM (L7jyl)
They chose well.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 21, 2022 12:40 PM (LvTSG)
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And American cannot afford to lose the ones we have, fighting a war.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 21, 2022 12:41 PM (5pTK/)
Russia is like the Sears corporation -- on the brink of supposed financial collapse for decades.
Who is K-Mart?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 21, 2022 12:41 PM (63Dwl)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 21, 2022 12:33 PM (z5Vrg)
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Good point.
Russia is strong...but not that strong. They will try to diplomatically bully their way over Eastern Europe but there isn't much they can do about it...especially if they get bogged down in the Ukraine. The Russians see themselves as European so it stands to reason they would entertain talks with France. They see the long term threat in China, not the US. Interesting factoid I received yesterday...there are a shitload of Chinese in Eastern Russia, in some areas they outnumber the Russians, and there isn't much Putin can do about it. Further, they are literally logging the land bare. I think Putin would love to see a return to the old diplomatic model. Its a game we don't know how to play.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 21, 2022 12:41 PM (axyOa)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 21, 2022 12:37 PM (dNqv+)
Well the topic is serious, so no one's cracking jokes.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 21, 2022 12:41 PM (z5Vrg)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 21, 2022 12:41 PM (Qzatw)
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"I don't have anything to freak out about! I'm freaking out!"
-Karen McCookingSherryMom
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 21, 2022 12:42 PM (LvTSG)
You are pretending as if this is a brand new, outrageous demand from Russia. That the former soviet states should be NATO free.
But the USA assured Russia that these states would be neutral and NATO free in 1992. NATO expanded multiple times since then against this agreement. Russia is simply insisting we uphold our agreement. It is the Cuban missile crisis in reverse.
Posted by: Village Idiot at January 21, 2022 12:42 PM (kzJBE)
your children shall fight on the landing grounds,
your children shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
your children shall fight in the hills;
and we shall never surrender as long as you still have children to send to fight!
Posted by: Liz Cheney at January 21, 2022 12:35 PM (ESjRY)
Ouch and true
Posted by: ... at January 21, 2022 12:42 PM (kqUdX)
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at January 21, 2022 12:38 PM (9dzlp)
That aired already? Did he have to risk coming to the USA, or was it all filmed from the safety of Greece?
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at January 21, 2022 12:42 PM (wAnMi)
Posted by: SFGoth at January 21, 2022 12:42 PM (KAi1n)
Posted by: Marcus T at January 21, 2022 12:42 PM (VpIIl)
Fuck that shit.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Lawful Good is Not Lawful Perfect at January 21, 2022 12:23 PM (XvPQV)
It's more a gallows-humor laugh at the terrible situation we (and the free world) finds itself in. I don't want war OR Russian control of Eastern Europe. Brandon's abject incompetence looks ready to guarantee at least one (if not both).
Posted by: Grimmy at January 21, 2022 12:42 PM (XH/zt)
Have they tried sucking less?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
You accept the premise of them being "elite" in the first place?
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 21, 2022 12:42 PM (iUs96)
Posted by: Match Checksout at January 21, 2022 12:42 PM (dYe5S)
The present situation is nicely tailored to this.
Posted by: irongrampa at January 21, 2022 12:42 PM (KATBx)
Posted by: rd at January 21, 2022 12:37 PM (Z32m1)
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They touched on this at oatmeal brain's press conference a couple of days ago.
Q: ... Do you think the time has come to begin lifting some of the tariffs on Chinese imports? Or is there a need for China to make due on some of its commitments in the Phase One agreement? Some business groups would like you to begin raising -- lifting up those tariffs on China
A: Well, I know that, and that's why my Trade Rep is working on that right now. The answer is uncertain. It's uncertain. I'd like to be able to be in a position where I can say they're meeting the commitments, or more of their commitments, and be able to lift some of it. But we're not there yet.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 21, 2022 12:43 PM (DU+/6)
and much worse (I suppose) is Biden bowing to the CCP, Hunter still taking bribes, borders wide open for China fentanyl trafficking. But boy, they will make those grandmas pay for walking into the capitol and protesting a stolen election.
Posted by: illiniwek at January 21, 2022 12:43 PM (Cus5s)
Hey, Russia has an economy the size of the Netherlands!
How can you possibly expect us to compete with them militarily?
Posted by: Western Europe! at January 21, 2022 12:43 PM (I2/tG)
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at January 21, 2022 12:43 PM (YboWf)
Posted by: Alaska at January 21, 2022 12:43 PM (QYPq3)
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at January 21, 2022 12:38 PM (9dzlp)
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Yesterday people on Twitter were pointing out that Tom Hanks appeared in "The Simpsons Movie" to push government propaganda just like this.
Posted by: zmdavid at January 21, 2022 12:43 PM (xqRaG)
Putin doesnt have to send tanks into western europe. He just shuts off the gas line.
Posted by: Revenant at January 21, 2022 12:43 PM (Q+K8B)
Have they tried sucking less?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
You accept the premise of them being "elite" in the first place?
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 21, 2022 12:42 PM (iUs96)
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Elite is just a word. Let them use it if it gets them hard when they pay for their tranny prostitutes.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 21, 2022 12:43 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 21, 2022 12:41 PM (LvTSG)
Oh, is that a thing?
Posted by: Kamala at January 21, 2022 12:43 PM (kqUdX)
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It's got me as giddy as a schoolgirl!
Posted by: david fwench-goldberg-hayes at January 21, 2022 12:43 PM (UHVv4)
Posted by: 2009Refugee
There is a lot of truth to that.
At "Anerican Thinker", there is a good article about Hakeem Jeffries, who is a Democrat congressman from Brooklyn, and the likely successor to Nancy Pelosi as Speaker. He is radical as shit, but smart and keeps his message very disciplined, never revealing what he really wants.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at January 21, 2022 12:44 PM (vcOmj)
Posted by: obsidian at January 21, 2022 12:44 PM (+VbGS)
Posted by: N.L. Urker, resolved to lurking at January 21, 2022 12:44 PM (eGTCV)
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at January 21, 2022 12:39 PM (wAnMi)
no, the last two are going to be a constant non-shooting civil war between the Executive Branch, on one side, and the Legislative and Judiciary Branches, on the other. Expect a lot of chaos and economic mayhem, possibly even a default on all of our debt, as everything one side orders done is countermanded by the other side.
We've got to go through the war before we get to the other side, and it's going to be messy. All wars are.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 21, 2022 12:44 PM (trdmm)
Going to war, instead of letting Europe beat the shit out of each other until they're tired of hitting and getting hit, is why we are here. A bled dry, bankrupt empire falling in on itself. Except, now, we've got English speaking Communists to our North and a Narco State to our South.
And yet - some of you old Cold War Boomers still can't stand the idea of not getting in the middle of another land war in Europe. Then go - volunteer. Quit insisting the rest of us go with you.
Posted by: Spheres of Influence at January 21, 2022 12:44 PM (WG7mU)
Posted by: Baldy at January 21, 2022 12:44 PM (3ZSK2)
You are pretending as if this is a brand new, outrageous demand from Russia. That the former soviet states should be NATO free.
But the USA assured Russia that these states would be neutral and NATO free in 1992. NATO expanded multiple times since then against this agreement. Russia is simply insisting we uphold our agreement. It is the Cuban missile crisis in reverse.
Posted by: Village Idiot at January 21, 2022 12:42 PM (kzJBE)
This is also the story of the Obama administration flipping Ukraine.
Regardless of who the aggressor is though, it does represent a clear decline in US hegemony.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 21, 2022 12:44 PM (z5Vrg)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 21, 2022 12:44 PM (Y5qcH)
Posted by: Bill Gates at January 21, 2022 12:44 PM (iDcra)
Biden will have another embolism over this.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 21, 2022 12:44 PM (mPRFJ)
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 21, 2022 12:45 PM (6FeV1)
https://is.gd/PbaeW5
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 21, 2022 12:45 PM (DU+/6)
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Off YES YES YES
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.....
damn it.
Stoopid Fcukin' fuse again, leaving me hanging!!!
Posted by: Victoria Nuland at January 21, 2022 12:45 PM (RtvVm)
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at January 21, 2022 12:38 PM
If you have to put out an ad to tell people how peachy shit is, it aint peachy.
Posted by: Minnfidel at January 21, 2022 12:45 PM (aXKOe)
Posted by: Liz Cheney, Neo-Con Warmonger! at January 21, 2022 12:45 PM (I2/tG)
Posted by: N.L. Urker, resolved to lurking at January 21, 2022 12:44 PM (eGTCV)
Remember how EVERYTHING that the right is accused of doing by the Left, is secretly the thing the Left wants to do itself? EVERYTHING.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 21, 2022 12:45 PM (trdmm)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 21, 2022 12:20 PM (LvTSG)
Fumigate the building and turn it into VA housing.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at January 21, 2022 12:24 PM (wAnMi)
It's in NYC. Why do you hate vets?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at January 21, 2022 12:45 PM (U7wke)
Posted by: N.L. Urker, resolved to lurking at January 21, 2022 12:44 PM (eGTCV)
Hi. Remember me?
https://youtu.be/Yq7FKO5DlV0
Posted by: Land of Confusion at January 21, 2022 12:45 PM (4I/2K)
They chose well.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 21, 2022 12:40 PM (LvTSG)
That is almost poetic, TJM.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 21, 2022 12:46 PM (dNqv+)
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at January 21, 2022 12:43 PM (YboWf)
The Baltic Republics just sent Ukraine a bunch of Javelin AT missiles.
Belarus is sadly a Russian puppet already.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Lawful Good is Not Lawful Perfect at January 21, 2022 12:46 PM (XvPQV)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 21, 2022 12:46 PM (Qzatw)
Just like yesterday when the Lie from twitter reached here about Trump supposedly "holding secret meetings."
Most of you accepted it as fact, with some of you making excuses for Trump to hold "secret meetings" and it was normal to do so.
It should occur to my right and honorable friends here that the "secret meetings" claim is a bullshit lie. It should also occur to you that the word "private" was purposely substituted with "secret."
Also, if they were "secret meetings," then how does that person know about them? Not much of a "secret," is it?
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 21, 2022 12:46 PM (iUs96)
Posted by: Village Idiot at January 21, 2022 12:42 PM (kzJBE)
Unfortunately this is accurate. We've become the country that no one can trust or rely on. Friend or foe.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 21, 2022 12:46 PM (z8oRC)
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Nah, still got popcorn.
Posted by: Kodos at January 21, 2022 12:46 PM (ZKpSQ)
Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 21, 2022 12:46 PM (BFigT)
Well they impeached him for not starting any new wars so I'm pretty sure they were lying in 2016.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 21, 2022 12:46 PM (ESjRY)
Posted by: Sponge - Remembering Oregon Muse at January 21, 2022 12:46 PM (Zz0t1)
This is why you never watch young Sheldon on CBS during prime time.
You welcome
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at January 21, 2022 12:46 PM (9dzlp)
Just saw a news story. Biden is actually shipping anti-tank missiles to Ukraine. The US has dropped its Biden Ban on Lethal Military Aid, and is now encouraging European Nations to do the same, and even send their US ATGM to Ukraine.
Posted by: rd at January 21, 2022 12:47 PM (Z32m1)
Posted by: Marcus T at January 21, 2022 12:47 PM (VpIIl)
Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at January 21, 2022 12:44 PM (vcOmj)
he might be minority leader, but Hakeem is never going to be Speaker.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 21, 2022 12:47 PM (trdmm)
Posted by: Diogenes
China re-creates the Greater East Asia Co-prosperity Zone. And annexes Siberia. That is largely what Putin is afeared of. To maintain his position as Russia's top oligarch, he wants to annex Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, and whatever else he can grab up, and control the "near abroad", ie, Romania, Bulgaria, etc.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at January 21, 2022 12:47 PM (vcOmj)
Posted by: obsidian at January 21, 2022 12:44 PM (+VbGS)
Looks like it.
Posted by: BignJames at January 21, 2022 12:47 PM (AwYPR)
Won't happen. That's their bargaining chip with Russia. Leave us in place as a puppet government and we'll give you this blackmail material over the US government.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at January 21, 2022 12:27 PM
If Ukraine has blackmail on Biden, they better drop it soon. Once Biden leaves office (probably soon), it's worthless. Drop now, embarrass the president, and then you have at least an argument that any lack of US support is due to Biden pettiness.
Posted by: Grimmy at January 21, 2022 12:47 PM (XH/zt)
Posted by: N.L. Urker, resolved to lurking at January 21, 2022 12:44 PM (eGTCV)
I think they are rationalizing the idea that a war is necessary to prop up Biden and the Democratic party.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 21, 2022 12:47 PM (N39Ws)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Joe Biden allows minor incursions at January 21, 2022 12:47 PM (wklve)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2022 12:48 PM (kocTz)
Posted by: Tsar Vlad "the Victorious" at January 21, 2022 12:48 PM (cfkTP)
https://is.gd/PbaeW5
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 21, 2022 12:45 PM (DU+/6)
Pug with Blonde Nipple.
Would hang.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Lawful Good is Not Lawful Perfect at January 21, 2022 12:48 PM (XvPQV)
I presume the *whole* reason for the Biden junta teasing they found aliens was to use the "fake aline invasion" strategy from Watchmen.
But now that they think they can get a war with Russia instead they don't need it.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 21, 2022 12:48 PM (ESjRY)
Posted by: Tomorrow's Headlines Today at January 21, 2022 12:48 PM (kqUdX)
Here's a rifle, some ammo, a helmet and a flak vest and boots.
Have at it Beyotch. Let us know how it goes. Ask your Dad to back you up.
Posted by: jakee308 at January 21, 2022 12:48 PM (BFQeJ)
Posted by: Tom Servo
Yes.
The projection game.
They play it very well, and have the adequate megaphone with a compliant media.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at January 21, 2022 12:48 PM (vcOmj)
Posted by: obsidian at January 21, 2022 12:44 PM (+VbGS)
Looks like it.
Posted by: BignJames at January 21, 2022 12:47 PM (AwYPR)
Yuck. Don't push that button.
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at January 21, 2022 12:48 PM (9dzlp)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at January 21, 2022 12:48 PM (iDcra)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 21, 2022 12:49 PM (XSRBF)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 21, 2022 12:41 PM (Qzatw)
This is something whose effect cannot be overstated. Since fucking 9/11 the dems/culture/EU have (even with Iraq and Afghanistan going on) have woven a tale that history is over and the default state is peace and normalcy- we can fuck with as much as we want at the core fundamental levels and nothing bad will happen.
...Bad times-Hard men-Good times-Weak men-Bad times...
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 21, 2022 12:49 PM (dNqv+)
Biden will have another embolism over this.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 21, 2022 12:44 PM
So a day ending in Y. As much as I hate Joe SloPedo. I shudder at the thought of Camel Toe being POTUS.
Posted by: Minnfidel at January 21, 2022 12:49 PM (aXKOe)
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 21, 2022 12:49 PM (6FeV1)
World policing, no, I'm done and over that with that nonsense.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 21, 2022 12:38 PM (5pTK/)
And you thing soviet domination of europe is in America's interest? We gonna cede the middle east to them and asis to the chicoms?
Not my cup of tea.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2022 12:49 PM (GPwVZ)
Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at January 21, 2022 12:49 PM (0OmEj)
And one who totally didn't molest Isaac Kappy.
Posted by: Not Tom Hanks honest at January 21, 2022 12:49 PM (ESjRY)
Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at January 21, 2022 12:49 PM (ytSiK)
Posted by: Archer at January 21, 2022 12:49 PM (gmo/4)
Posted by: Marcus T at January 21, 2022 12:49 PM (VpIIl)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Joe Biden allows minor incursions at January 21, 2022 12:47 PM (wklve)
I guess I always assumed that. I blame Red Dawn.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Lawful Good is Not Lawful Perfect at January 21, 2022 12:49 PM (XvPQV)
Posted by: Buzzion at January 21, 2022 12:37 PM (qNatv)
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This sort of thing proves to me that Europeans are retarded. They always want a pantywaist in the WH, when - if they had any brains at all - they'd want someone they would call a "cowboy" (little realizing that while they mean that as an insult, Americans take it as a compliment).
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 21, 2022 12:49 PM (YqDXo)
Posted by: fluffy
After two world wars, I think Poland will fight back harder than you'd think.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 21, 2022 12:50 PM (XSRBF)
https://tinyurl.com/3zpud2eb
Yahoo news: U.S., NATO to surge weaponry to Ukraine to help shore up defenses
TOO LITTLE TOO LATE?!
Posted by: rd at January 21, 2022 12:50 PM (Z32m1)
Posted by: Minnfidel at January 21, 2022 12:49 PM (aXKOe)
I look forward to it - I want to see this government totally discredited and held in contempt by everyone.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 21, 2022 12:50 PM (trdmm)
Presumably the judges below the SC are getting that allowing Biden to do this means the government can do ANYTHING at any time.
The logic Biden is using is the same logic that allowed with to lobotomize and sterilize people against their will in the progressive era.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 21, 2022 12:50 PM (ESjRY)
--Gen. McAuliffe
Oh, he's passed on you say?
Well, then, we'll be gone by Valentine's Day.
Posted by: JM in Florida at January 21, 2022 12:50 PM (L7jyl)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Joe Biden allows minor incursions at January 21, 2022 12:47 PM (wklve)
If you've got ammo, you can get canned goods.
Posted by: BignJames at January 21, 2022 12:51 PM (AwYPR)
Posted by: Just Lily at January 21, 2022 12:51 PM (xtOxN)
Posted by: Archer at January 21, 2022 12:49 PM (gmo/4)
Yes, I can understand that. What I don't get are morons cheering on the process.
I don't love Vlad but you gotta recognize hustle
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Lawful Good is Not Lawful Perfect at January 21, 2022 12:51 PM (XvPQV)
Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still
Agreed. Think this would happen on Trump's watch? But hey, at least there are no more mean tweets.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 21, 2022 12:51 PM (XSRBF)
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at January 21, 2022 12:48 PM (9dzlp)
Yeah, Hillary's Man in a Boat is sitting in the middle of the Aral Sea.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 21, 2022 12:51 PM (dNqv+)
Posted by: MSNBC Braintrust at January 21, 2022 12:51 PM (H8QX8)
Fake News cnn is teaming up with Propagandist Sesame Street to hold a fake "town hall" for "kids and parents" about the chinese flu.
Yes, they're using the fcking puppets to "explain" the "pandemic" to all the children...who watch cnn.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 21, 2022 12:51 PM (iUs96)
Posted by: Marcus T at January 21, 2022 12:49 PM (VpIIl)
Ok, so what makes the German dreams of integrating Europe more evil than Russia?
Moreover, in the long run, do you really expect Russia to succeed even without US intervention? The Europeans have been fighting each other for longer than we've been around as a country.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 21, 2022 12:51 PM (z5Vrg)
Posted by: sidney at January 21, 2022 12:51 PM (LJJah)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2022 12:49 PM (GPwVZ)
it's not really a choice, is it? How the hell can a nation keep hegemony abroad when it's completely fractured internally?
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 21, 2022 12:51 PM (6FeV1)
Posted by: WiNO at January 21, 2022 12:51 PM (tHPvL)
Posted by: Grimmy at January 21, 2022 12:47 PM (XH/zt)
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The scary thing is there is already so much shit that Biden is involved with, it would have had any other "President" impeached or disqualified to run for office. So just how bad can the Ukrainian intel actually be?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 21, 2022 12:51 PM (YIVH2)
France gets to pretend it's still relevant, gets to pretend it leads Western Europe, distracts from domestic weaknesses.
Germany: Profit!
USA: Peace in our time with the "adults" back in charge. Arrest all wreckers and insurrectionistas.
Posted by: Hands at January 21, 2022 12:52 PM (786Ro)
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How's ours doing?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 21, 2022 12:52 PM (YqDXo)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 21, 2022 12:52 PM (z5Vrg)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2022 12:31 PM
Right there! Right there!
Posted by: Russia, pointing at Kamala at January 21, 2022 12:52 PM (XH/zt)
Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 21, 2022 12:52 PM (5kI0z)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead!
I would rather we become less of a World Power and try to restore the Republic at home. This is where we live.
Seventy years of the American hegemony has had mixed results, but it is on the verge of bankrupting us, and now the Globalist puppet masters are using this situation to weaken all of us.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at January 21, 2022 12:52 PM (vcOmj)
Posted by: Marcus T at January 21, 2022 12:49 PM (VpIIl)
Yup. We should never have held out Nato Membership to the Ukraine.
That is a threat to Russia. We would not like the russians in Mexico on our Border, but then they might control the border so who knows? LOL
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2022 12:52 PM (GPwVZ)
Just as long as they don't get too tyrannical or hegemonic. We've got enough problems right now and we always had. Let other countries get back into the game of fending for themselves and paying for it while we fix our shit up and enjoy life for a while like everyone else did for the last 60 years of Pax Americanus. It's our turn to goof off for a while.
Posted by: jakee308 at January 21, 2022 12:52 PM (BFQeJ)
>>And you thing soviet domination of europe is in America's interest? We gonna cede the middle east to them and asis to the chicoms? Not my cup of tea.
Here's a chart...
https://tinyurl.com/5n9xmtfu
Please explain in great detail how Russia could possibly dominate Europe unless Europe allows themselves to be dominated.
I don't know, there's another country on that chart that would seem to be a bigger threat and menace.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 21, 2022 12:52 PM (MNkwB)
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 21, 2022 12:51 PM (iUs96)
And isn't this really the story of Joe Biden too?
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 21, 2022 12:52 PM (Y5qcH)
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Yeah, but I'm rural and like my neighbors. I'd rather keep my canned goods and help them keep theirs if it comes to it.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Joe Biden allows minor incursions at January 21, 2022 12:53 PM (wklve)
Posted by: Archer at January 21, 2022 12:49 PM (gmo/4)
I agree - I also think Putin is playing the part of Grandmaster Bluffer very well. When you're bluffing, you always escalate your rhetoric until someone calls. If no one has the nerve to call your bluff, you win even though you got no real cards. Trump knew how to play this game, which is why they didn't try it against him. But against Biden and the current Euro-Trash leaders? Oh hell ya, it'll work.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 21, 2022 12:53 PM (trdmm)
Posted by: Zho Bai-den at January 21, 2022 12:53 PM (L7jyl)
Posted by: pookysgirl, with lap kitteh at January 21, 2022 12:53 PM (XKZwp)
Posted by: Max Power at January 21, 2022 12:53 PM (Hucnr)
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 21, 2022 12:52 PM (MNkwB)
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It's always Luxembourg...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 21, 2022 12:53 PM (LvTSG)
The logic Biden is using is the same logic that allowed with to lobotomize and sterilize people against their will in the progressive era.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 21, 2022 12:50 PM (ESjRY)
This is a good point.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 21, 2022 12:53 PM (dNqv+)
Seems legit to me!
Posted by: William F 'Buck' Dharma at January 21, 2022 12:53 PM (oedLL)
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at January 21, 2022 12:28 PM (KbCG3)
If some is good, more must be better.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at January 21, 2022 12:53 PM (U7wke)
https://tinyurl.com/3zpud2eb
Yahoo news: U.S., NATO to surge weaponry to Ukraine to help shore up defenses
TOO LITTLE TOO LATE?!
Posted by: rd at January 21, 2022 12:50 PM (Z32m1)
***
Delivered direct from Mustafa Mike's and his Kabul Bazaar Specials!
Posted by: Diogenes at January 21, 2022 12:53 PM (axyOa)
I am kinda ok with a nuclear war at this point. I'm far enough away where I shouldn't get affected and NY and LA will be glass.
So...I mean, ok.
It might be an improvement!
Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller, Esq PhD MA MS at January 21, 2022 12:53 PM (XnbJC)
Oh Vlad yes yes tie me up again! I've been such a bad NAZI!
Posted by: Angela Merkel at January 21, 2022 12:53 PM (ESjRY)
Yahoo news: U.S., NATO to surge weaponry to Ukraine to help shore up defenses
TOO LITTLE TOO LATE?!
Posted by: rd
This is the Fake News and the fake Pentagon warming us up for thousands of US Troops going to the Ukraine (and Syria, I suspect). As "advisors," of course.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 21, 2022 12:53 PM (iUs96)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2022 12:48 PM
Well If I were worth 400 Million I'd probably be thinking shit is great too. Ugh.
Posted by: Minnfidel at January 21, 2022 12:53 PM (aXKOe)
Improper use of "we", implies a collective will and interest that I simply don't share. 15 yard penalty, replay the post. The clock will start on my whistle.
But honestly - I won't stop you from going over there, offering your services as a merc, and having at it against those evil Russians. Just don't drag any of mine along for the ride. This one's all on you, and the Europeans that don't care enough to defend themselves, and don't have to since they've counted on a massive knee-jerk reaction like yours for over fifty years now. Enjoy. Send us a postcard.
Posted by: Spheres of Influence at January 21, 2022 12:53 PM (J567a)
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Might be a lot better when they start taking over other country's economies.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 21, 2022 12:54 PM (XSRBF)
Posted by: Wendy at January 21, 2022 12:54 PM (Q+0aA)
Posted by: obsidian
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Don't worry, I've got an EASY button.
Posted by: Kamala at January 21, 2022 12:54 PM (Za1aU)
Posted by: Max Power at January 21, 2022 12:54 PM (Hucnr)
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 21, 2022 12:54 PM (trdmm)
Posted by: Scott at January 21, 2022 12:15 PM (QvuuX)
You must remember that Europeans don't let bygones be bygones. Their are countries that are still pissed about the Napoleonic wars. And don't get them started on the allies carving up Germany after WWI and II. The list of grudges is long.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 21, 2022 12:54 PM (Fs5vw)
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/
1484255420264943621
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 21, 2022 12:55 PM (lCui1)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 21, 2022 12:51 PM (z5Vrg)
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Pax Americana is the longest period in Europe without a major war since ... Rome fell.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 21, 2022 12:55 PM (YqDXo)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 21, 2022 12:55 PM (XSRBF)
Remember: Every single "news" story in Fake News about biden, Ukraine, and Russia, right now are pure propaganda.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 21, 2022 12:55 PM (iUs96)
Posted by: fluffy
After two world wars, I think Poland will fight back harder than you'd think.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp
I think that was sarcasm from Fluffy....
From what I know, Poland might be our staunchest ally in Europe. Yes, they don't want to be under the Soviet/Russian boot again. This has been an ongoing story for literally centuries, between Poland, Ukraine, Russia grabbing each others territory.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at January 21, 2022 12:55 PM (vcOmj)
- J. Biden
Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 21, 2022 12:55 PM (fs1hN)
I can totally get behind Europe taking charge of its own security. We will stand behind you. Back here.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 21, 2022 12:55 PM (F4b8f)
Please explain in great detail how Russia could possibly dominate Europe unless Europe allows themselves to be dominated.
Because europe is weak. Always has been, Always will be.
The gas pipeline is more a threat than than russia taking parts of Ukriane, which they will also have soon
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2022 12:55 PM (GPwVZ)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 21, 2022 12:53 PM (LvTSG)
I had no idea Luxembourg was full of Amish!
Posted by: Just Lily at January 21, 2022 12:55 PM (xtOxN)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 21, 2022 12:54 PM (XSRBF)
Not Ukraine's. Ukraine's economy is even more messed up than Mother Russia's is.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 21, 2022 12:55 PM (trdmm)
All Slick did duting that misadventure was deplete NATO's supply of munitions while bombing the fuck out of Serbia in the name of "humanitarian relief". And blowing up China's embassy in Belgrade with a "smart missile". We'd have been better off with a monkey as Commander in Chief.
Posted by: Captain Hate won't forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at January 21, 2022 12:31 PM
Nonsense! I created an ongoing, low intensity deployment for our NATO allies so they can SAY they're deploying and supporting NATO operations while avoiding yucky duty like Iraq and Afghanistan!
Posted by: Bubba Clinton at January 21, 2022 12:55 PM (XH/zt)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 21, 2022 12:56 PM (yQpMk)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 21, 2022 12:56 PM (F4b8f)
Posted by: Skip's Phone at January 21, 2022 12:56 PM (FpGpn)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2022 12:48 PM
Well If I were worth 400 Million I'd probably be thinking shit is great too. Ugh.
Posted by: Minnfidel at January 21, 2022 12:53 PM (aXKOe)
***
**Looks at the $40 bucks in wallet**
First round is on my guys! Life is good!
Posted by: Diogenes at January 21, 2022 12:56 PM (axyOa)
Meanwhile, Germany is still buying oil from Russia, not us.
And biden is shutting down oil and gas production here. And Coal.
But yeah, let's all focus on Ukraine and the big bad Russia.
What a load of Bullshit we're being fed.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 21, 2022 12:56 PM (iUs96)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 21, 2022 12:55 PM (XSRBF)
Probably like us. Shocked. Sad. Ashamed. Philosophical.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 21, 2022 12:56 PM (dNqv+)
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 21, 2022 12:57 PM (MNkwB)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 21, 2022 12:57 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Soon at January 21, 2022 12:57 PM (U7bKD)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 21, 2022 12:55 PM (XSRBF)
Joe doesn't hear voices...he hears a dial tone.
Posted by: BignJames at January 21, 2022 12:57 PM (AwYPR)
Posted by: redchief at January 21, 2022 12:57 PM (Kab4E)
Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at January 21, 2022 12:55 PM (vcOmj)
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A friend of mine - a Pole who belonged to "Solidarity" and moved here as an adult - says that Reagan is God in Poland.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 21, 2022 12:57 PM (YqDXo)
From what I know, Poland might be our staunchest ally in Europe. Yes, they don't want to be under the Soviet/Russian boot again.
Duh. I'm slower than usual today. Sorry.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 21, 2022 12:58 PM (XSRBF)
Posted by: Marcus T at January 21, 2022 12:47 PM (VpIIl)
Tell that to the NATO Nations that will not even pretend to finance their militaries. they will not even spend 2%! TWO FUCKING PERCENT!!!
Fuck Germany. I almost hope that Putin re-enacts the Rape of Berlin again. Maybe they can do Paris, Brussells, and Copenhagen too?
Posted by: rd at January 21, 2022 12:58 PM (Z32m1)
The only leverage we have is a threat to shoot ourselves in the dick.
Posted by: garrett at January 21, 2022 12:58 PM (KJjht)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2022 12:49 PM (GPwVZ)
You're welcome to leave and go fight them. I'm tired of the crap. Europe can defend themselves. Comparing everything to to the 1930's is weak thinking.
Posted by: WiNO at January 21, 2022 12:59 PM (tHPvL)
The gas pipeline is more a threat than than russia taking parts of Ukriane, which they will also have soon
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2022 12:55 PM (GPwVZ)
Europe has not always been weak. The Land of Rome, Charlemagne, Charles Martel, The Franks, The Normans, The British Fucking Empire, Napoleon, Prussia. For the past 2000 years the world has turned on what has happened there.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 21, 2022 12:59 PM (dNqv+)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 21, 2022 12:59 PM (F4b8f)
Everyone around the globe knows that they are illegitimate, so anything goes.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 21, 2022 12:59 PM (5kI0z)
But yeah, let's all focus on Ukraine and the big bad Russia.
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Never mind the shitty economy, Covid restrictions, the fiasco in Afghanistan, the roaring inflation.
Look
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 21, 2022 12:59 PM (YqDXo)
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 21, 2022 01:00 PM (mPRFJ)
Asked another cow-orker about him and he said "he wasn't vaxed, so it hit him hard." Ugh......My response was "heh.....the vax...."
Prayers are going up, tho. It pisses me off to no end that people are still being heavily affected by this shit when there are KNOWN EFFECTIVE TREATMENTS for it.
Crimes. Against. Humanity.
Posted by: Sponge - Remembering Oregon Muse at January 21, 2022 01:00 PM (Zz0t1)
An interesting twist on the Blazing Saddles Gambit. We're just crazy enough to do it.
Posted by: Spheres of Influence at January 21, 2022 01:00 PM (J567a)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 21, 2022 01:00 PM (dNqv+)
You're welcome to leave and go fight them. I'm tired of the crap. Europe can defend themselves. Comparing everything to to the 1930's is weak thinking.
Posted by: WiNO at January 21, 2022 12:59 PM (tHPvL)
Well that's a bullshit argument. We are not talking about going to War. And I will go where I am sent
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2022 01:00 PM (GPwVZ)
Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 21, 2022 01:00 PM (Xrfse)
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Admiral Rachel Levine would never sell us out!
Posted by: david fwench-goldberg-hayes at January 21, 2022 01:00 PM (UHVv4)
Posted by: Axeman at January 21, 2022 01:01 PM (XHhHI)
Posted by: Joe Biden at January 21, 2022
***
"Khan? I'm laughing at the 'superior intellect'."
Posted by: Admiral JT Kirk at January 21, 2022 01:01 PM (txdEq)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 21, 2022 12:53 PM
What am I, chopped liver?
Posted by: Monaco at January 21, 2022 01:01 PM (a3Q+t)
Biden > Southern Invaders > Xi > Afghan "refugees" > Putin
Posted by: Obligatory at January 21, 2022 12:37 PM
You're crazy! Who cares about dangers TO the American people? The American people ARE the danger to the government!!!
Posted by: FBI, CIA, ATF, DHS, etc at January 21, 2022 01:01 PM (XH/zt)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 21, 2022 12:53 PM
What am I, chopped liver?
Posted by: Monaco at January 21, 2022 01:01 PM (a3Q+t)
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Why you steal our movie stars to murder them in "car accidents"?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 21, 2022 01:01 PM (LvTSG)
....
with a crowbar.
Posted by: Axeman at January 21, 2022 01:01 PM (XHhHI)
Which is why I believe Tom Hanks became a citizen there.
Posted by: Sponge - Remembering Oregon Muse at January 21, 2022 01:01 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 21, 2022 01:01 PM (yQpMk)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 21, 2022 01:01 PM (F4b8f)
>>Because europe is weak. Always has been, Always will be. The gas pipeline is more a threat than than russia taking parts of Ukriane, which they will also have soon.
That's Europes problem, not ours, we have no dog in this hunt and having just wasted the last 20 years dicking around in the sand and getting our asses kicked by 7th century goat herders, I have no desire to send boys off to die so that the globalist can maintain their place at the Ukrainian money troughs and shit birds getting promotions for leading and directing a pointless conflict.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 21, 2022 01:01 PM (MNkwB)
He's gone to Camp David.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 21, 2022 01:00 PM (mPRFJ)
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Camp Beau?
Posted by: Axeman at January 21, 2022 01:01 PM (XHhHI)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 21, 2022 12:59 PM (dNqv+)
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But now, Europe is a theme park. Japan and Taiwan are much more important than Europe.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 21, 2022 01:01 PM (YqDXo)
Posted by: Wally at January 21, 2022 12:31 PM (FJYfm)
Here's the thing I go back to...every bad thing that I know about Putin, every single one, comes from the same sources that have lied to me about everything for years.
I'm no apologist and I don't want to see Russia expand but the only outrage I can muster over the whole thing is that some eastern Europeans, whose only crime was being stupid enough to have faith in the US, will be harmed by this. The folks further west...they made their beds.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at January 21, 2022 01:02 PM (U7wke)
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 21, 2022 01:02 PM (mPRFJ)
Posted by: Soon at January 21, 2022 12:57 PM (U7bKD)
Read up on the Fascist Shit Democrat President did during WW 1. Locking up Conscientious Objectors and anyone that dared criticize the war. The Espionage Act was one of the things Wilson created.
It was so bad, even J. Edgar Hoover thought Wilson was going too far.
Posted by: rd at January 21, 2022 01:02 PM (Z32m1)
I hope Russia wins. Seriously, we created the Ukraine problem by overthrowing the pro-russian government, so Hunter Biden could earn a living through corrupt oil companies.
Let's send our transjenner military over there to get their penises cut off the hard way.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 21, 2022 01:03 PM (YV6PJ)
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 21, 2022 01:02 PM (mPRFJ)
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I should just be able to swipe right on the candidate of my choice.
Posted by: Axeman at January 21, 2022 01:03 PM (XHhHI)
Abandon Europe, put up a few "Do you miss US yet ?" signs.
We'll feel bad about Poland but screw the rest of them.
Posted by: Next2Nothing at January 21, 2022 01:03 PM (tA1/w)
Posted by: redchief at January 21, 2022 12:57 PM (Kab4E)
I wouldn't say empire, but I believe Putin wants to build the strongest Russian sphere of influence (for lack of a better term) that he can. I think he believes he has about 10 years to get ready for China. China is his existential threat. If Putin can sell this to Europe, he will have the ability to stand up to Xi.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 21, 2022 01:03 PM (axyOa)
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 21, 2022 01:01 PM (MNkwB)
Sigh, no one, at least not me, is talking about going to war. I am talking about not inviting russia in, no showing abject weakness like green lighting the gas pipeline in the first week in Office.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2022 01:03 PM (GPwVZ)
That Europe killed itself with the advent of modern warfare and through embracing Marxism.
Posted by: garrett at January 21, 2022 01:03 PM (KJjht)
Posted by: Charles Harkins at January 21, 2022 01:03 PM (C2bCV)
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"Palsied" is the word I believe you're looking for.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 21, 2022 01:03 PM (YqDXo)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 21, 2022 01:01 PM (YqDXo)
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Unless you need machine tools. If you do, you want Germany and Italy available if not on your side. Japan makes a ton of them, too, as do China and Korea, but Germany and Italy are pretty important in terms of industry.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 21, 2022 01:03 PM (DU+/6)
Turns out it was just a story, just like everything else.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - N95 masks are single use at January 21, 2022 01:03 PM (K0X64)
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 21, 2022 01:02 PM (mPRFJ)
Question, Jen. How does this mother of three go grocery shopping? I mean, if it's sofaking hard to manage life with 3 kids, how does she manage to get ANYTHING done?
We're led by blithering idiots.
Posted by: Sponge - Remembering Oregon Muse at January 21, 2022 01:03 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 21, 2022 01:01 PM (yQpMk)
We don't have a direct interest. It's just US policy to prevent any country from expanding for fear of a new Nazi Germany or USSR(which really doesn't seem imminent). This is why we're extended across the entire world.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 21, 2022 01:03 PM (z5Vrg)
Posted by: Soon at January 21, 2022
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We see the media listened to us.
Posted by: Wilson & FDR at January 21, 2022 01:03 PM (txdEq)
Biden will have another embolism over this.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 21, 2022 12:44 PM (mPRFJ)
That's good news, do you have a link to the story?
Posted by: spypeach at January 21, 2022 01:04 PM (wAxm0)
I can totally see Russia's point about this. There were promises made and those promises weren't kept. So Russia is saying keep them or we'll fix it our way.
And BTW letting Russia walk into the eastern part of the Ukraine (not even half more like a third) which is predominantly filled with Russians is not such a bad thing. Sure the Ukrainian politicians don't like it cause it takes a part of what they considered there's away but let's be real they had that part only at the permission of the Russians. And the Ukrainians know that they were just hoping that the US would draw line for them and maybe help out a bit.
They can all take a flying leap. The Europeans have been a load on America's back for over a hundred years. Time to stop worrying about the home country and see if we can't fix things here for a change.
Posted by: jakee308 at January 21, 2022 01:04 PM (BFQeJ)
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Yep. The EU leadership seems to deliberately want a weakened US in their sphere of influence. Well, guess what, Sparky? Now you get to see what that looks like as Russian moves in to fill that vacuum. Good luck with that!
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 21, 2022 01:04 PM (YIVH2)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2022 01:03 PM (GPwVZ)
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You mean Biden's astonishing and strong-like-bull press conference where he invited Russia to invade Ukraine was a bad move?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 21, 2022 01:04 PM (DU+/6)
Posted by: Soon at January 21, 2022
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Funny how you said the exact opposite with me.
Posted by: LBJ at January 21, 2022 01:04 PM (txdEq)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 21, 2022 12:27 PM (4fSQf)
IIRC, wasn't Joe opposed to that operation?
Posted by: BignJames at January 21, 2022 12:32 PM (AwYPR)
Osama still owed him a fiver.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at January 21, 2022 01:04 PM (U7wke)
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions
Or ya know she could bring the kids with her to vote
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 21, 2022 01:04 PM (lCui1)
https://tinyurl.com/3z3zjyp4
I can be a pessimist. Yes, it's true. I was a Youngkin skeptic, thinking "fabulous another Bushie." But we are nto even a week into his administration and he's taking ground.
Posted by: blaster at January 21, 2022 01:04 PM (9otr5)
Posted by: BurtTC at January 21, 2022 01:03 PM (YV6PJ)
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Glenn Beck says 8 billion dollars of grift disappeared into the Ukraine hole. Gone. No trace.
Posted by: Axeman at January 21, 2022 01:04 PM (XHhHI)
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 21, 2022 01:04 PM (trdmm)
My take would be that if we have learned anything from history, these are never isolated conflicts. Eventually, everybody gets sucked in.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 21, 2022 01:04 PM (Xrfse)
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 21, 2022 01:02 PM (mPRFJ)
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Why do they keep picking on the staunch Democrat, Bull Connor?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 21, 2022 01:05 PM (YqDXo)
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 21, 2022 01:05 PM (Y+l9t)
Posted by: Ben Had at January 21, 2022 01:05 PM (xDMHN)
An interesting twist on the Blazing Saddles Gambit. We're just crazy enough to do it.
Posted by: Spheres of Influence at January 21, 2022 01:00 PM (J567a)
"Keep fuckin' around and the Pornhub gets it!"
"Noooooooo!"
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 21, 2022 01:05 PM (6FeV1)
Posted by: spypeach at January 21, 2022 01:04 PM (wAxm0)
here one
https://tinyurl.com/2tmpsb32
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 21, 2022 01:05 PM (yrol0)
Posted by: G'rump928(c)
The Russian Army is largely filled out with 1-2 year conscripts.
Morale, discipline and training are .....iffy. Probably from unit to unit.
On paper this would be a near peer conflict, but I have my doubts as to how well the Russian Army would actually perform.
And so really, I don't see them strong enough to annex Western Europe, and a part of Ukraine (to connect Donbass to Crimea) is what Putin has in mind.
I think we would be badly over extended to try and reach in there and confront the Russians.
There is nothing good about any of this, but there is also nothing good about getting over extended and humiliated militarily.
There are no good alternatives, and the Biden Regime has done this intentionally. Blinken was asked to reply in writing to the Russian foreign minister's requests some days ago, and has refused.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at January 21, 2022 01:05 PM (vcOmj)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 21, 2022 01:05 PM (F4b8f)
Super convenient!
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 21, 2022 01:05 PM (mPRFJ)
Or ya know she could bring the kids with her to vote
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 21, 2022 01:04 PM (lCui1)
When your elected leadership thinks you're nothing but incompetent boobs.
Posted by: Sponge - Remembering Oregon Muse at January 21, 2022 01:05 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 21, 2022 01:04 PM (DU+/6)
Well not at Harvard or Yale LOL
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2022 01:05 PM (GPwVZ)
Posted by: Teh Fred at January 21, 2022 01:05 PM (RqqG5)
Posted by: rd at January 21, 2022 01:02 PM
To be clear, whatever Wilson was doing was before my time.
Posted by: Tom Hanks at January 21, 2022 01:05 PM (a3Q+t)
Son, we live in a world that has cavities, and those cavities have to be filled by men with drills. Who's gonna' do it ? You, Mr. Horde ? I have a dental responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for the Patient, and curse the Dentist. You have that luxury. The luxury of not knowing what I know - that Naval Dentistry, while similar to Rum, Sodomy, and The Lash, saves lives; and my existence, while painful and best avoided to you, saves lives.
Posted by: Spheres of Influence at January 21, 2022 01:06 PM (J567a)
Posted by: LBJ at January 21, 2022 01:04 PM (txdEq)
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That was back when the Democrat Party was largely anticommunist in terms of platform and thus party affiliation was less important than the fact that you were fighting communists.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 21, 2022 01:06 PM (DU+/6)
Posted by: redchief at January 21, 2022 12:57 PM (Kab4E)
I wouldn't say empire, but I believe Putin wants to build the strongest Russian sphere of influence (for lack of a better term) that he can. I think he believes he has about 10 years to get ready for China. China is his existential threat. If Putin can sell this to Europe, he will have the ability to stand up to Xi.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 21, 2022 01:03 PM (axyOa)
China's food supply is in eastern europe. Once they're able to avoid being dominated in the water and skies, their main weakness is the inability to feed themselves with internal production.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 21, 2022 01:06 PM (z5Vrg)
Posted by: blaster at January 21, 2022 01:04 PM (9otr5)
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I wasn't a full Trumper, either.
Sometimes people surprise you.
Scott Walker used to take bold measures in WI, only to melt under the hot lights of the national race.
Posted by: Axeman at January 21, 2022 01:06 PM (XHhHI)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 21, 2022 01:05 PM (F4b8f)
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Anything less is an illegal poll tax on black people.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 21, 2022 01:06 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 21, 2022 01:06 PM (F4b8f)
Posted by: Axeman at January 21, 2022 01:04 PM (XHhHI)
$1 Trillion just disappeared into our "Infrastructure" hole. Gone. No trace.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 21, 2022 01:06 PM (trdmm)
Wilson went to war so rich people could cross the ocean on british steamships carrying ammo and heavy guns without the threat of being sunk.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 21, 2022 01:06 PM (YV6PJ)
"Noooooooo!"
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 21, 2022 01:05 PM (6FeV1)
The dude that owns pornhub $1.8 M house was burnt down will under construction.
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 21, 2022 01:06 PM (yrol0)
And bringing some hulking Guido looking character around for "security".
How about vote via blockchain?
Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 21, 2022 01:06 PM (OyEQ8)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2022 01:03 PM (GPwVZ)
I didn't know we dictated Europe's energy policy? See you keep thinking, like a neocon does, we have a say in what everyone does.
Posted by: WiNO at January 21, 2022 01:06 PM (tHPvL)
Posted by: Diogenes at January 21, 2022 01:03 PM (axyOa)
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Very astute.
That does make sense.
Posted by: Axeman at January 21, 2022 01:07 PM (XHhHI)
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True, but we're the muscle in NATO. The Europeans can provide chefs etc., but won't do shit unless we take the lead.
See, e.g., the unpleasantness in the Balkans.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 21, 2022 01:07 PM (YqDXo)
I don't know, there's another country on that chart that would seem to be a bigger threat and menace.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 21, 2022 12:52 PM (MNkwB)
I seem to remember how France and GB let Hitler have Czechoslovakia, Austria, and the Saarland without any squabble. Peace in our time!
That turned out really well, huh?
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 21, 2022 01:07 PM (Fs5vw)
Does the name Sudatenland mean anything to you?
Posted by: Napoleon XIV at January 21, 2022 01:07 PM (AiZBA)
Posted by: Tom Hanks
Wilson was your best friend! Your only friend!
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 21, 2022 01:07 PM (lCui1)
Interesting article in American Thinker that I linked to this morning wherein the author states the last thing Russia needs is to occupy Ukraine given Russia's sluggish economy.
The real threat is China.
The problem is, we have a government that does not want to check either of them and is in fact in bed with them in many ways.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 21, 2022 01:07 PM (s2VJv)
Anything less is an illegal poll tax on black people.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 21, 2022 01:06 PM (LvTSG)
Polls are for strippers.
Posted by: Sponge - Remembering Oregon Muse at January 21, 2022 01:07 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 21, 2022 01:04 PM (Xrfse)
Most of the time this isn't actually true. WW1 and 2 are noteworthy for being exceptions.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 21, 2022 01:07 PM (z5Vrg)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 21, 2022 01:01 PM (LvTSG)
Clearly, Monaco will stop at NOTHING!
Posted by: Just Lily at January 21, 2022 01:08 PM (xtOxN)
That turned out really well, huh?
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 21, 2022 01:07 PM (Fs5vw)
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Not every conflict within Europe's borders until the end of time is WWII being played out again.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 21, 2022 01:08 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 21, 2022 01:08 PM (mPRFJ)
I seem to remember how France and GB let Hitler have Czechoslovakia, Austria, and the Saarland without any squabble. Peace in our time!
That turned out really well, huh?
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 21, 2022 01:07 PM (Fs5vw)
France and GB are far closer to Austria and Czechoslovakia than we are to Ukraine. Why don't you blame the US for failing to intervene then?
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 21, 2022 01:08 PM (z5Vrg)
Posted by: Axeman at January 21, 2022 01:04 PM
I prefer not traceable.
Posted by: The Big Guy at January 21, 2022 01:09 PM (a3Q+t)
Posted by: blaster at January 21, 2022 01:04 PM (9otr5)
I'll feel more confident when I see what action he takes with the schools that are flipping him the bird right now. Let's see how he responds to them. I'm cautiously optimistic.
Posted by: spypeach at January 21, 2022 01:09 PM (wAxm0)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 21, 2022 01:06 PM (z5Vrg)
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If true (and I believe it is because China is sorely lacking in the ability feed itself), then Russia's move makes a great deal of strategic sense. Cut off their food supply (and energy, if possible) and they are beholden to your will. Stalin already did this with the Ukraine a long time ago with the Holodomor.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 21, 2022 01:09 PM (YIVH2)
Posted by: Reuben Hick
Only if it is a special blockchain that is maintained by a company run by a former Obama campaign bundler.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 21, 2022 01:09 PM (F4b8f)
Jen Psaki giving a briefing. Mostly ranting that mothers of three should be able to drop off votes at drop boxes.
Here in Pennsylvania you walk out to your mailbox, open the door, insert the envelope, then close the door. It's a nightmare.
Posted by: Traitor Joe's Military Surplus at January 21, 2022 01:09 PM (dQvv7)
Posted by: WiNO at January 21, 2022 01:06 PM (tHPvL)
Read the news and get informed pal. President Trump had put a stop on that. We do have a say. Biden approved in the first week.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 21, 2022 01:09 PM (GPwVZ)
The problem is, we have a government that does not want to check either of them and is in fact in bed with them in many ways.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 21, 2022 01:07 PM (s2VJv)
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My own view
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at January 21, 2022 01:09 PM (mPRFJ)
https://tinyurl.com/2tmpsb32
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 21, 2022 01:05 PM (yrol0)
Thank you!
Posted by: spypeach at January 21, 2022 01:09 PM (wAxm0)
TSA confirms it allows illegal immigrants to use arrest warrants as ID in airports
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tsa-confirms-allows
-illegal-immigrants-arrest-warrants-id-airports
Posted by: zmdavid at January 21, 2022 01:10 PM (xqRaG)
Posted by: Mrs. Peel at January 21, 2022 01:10 PM (8548M)
I don't know if anyone has used this aphorism before but I just did.
If Putin doesn't advance his pieces on the board he knows his country may face the diminution and humiliation the West is undergoing.
He doesn't want Moscow to suffer it's own Kensington Ave like Philadelphia is suffering. This Trump understands too. MAGA is not a trivial matter.
Posted by: torabora at January 21, 2022 01:10 PM (YdnVw)
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Just mostly funded by it.
Posted by: Axeman at January 21, 2022 01:11 PM (XHhHI)
Posted by: zmdavid at January 21, 2022 12:43 PM (xqRaG)
It was a different time, you see. Back then, Dubya was worse than literally Hitler and doubting the legitimacy of presidential elections was patriotic.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at January 21, 2022 01:11 PM (DTX3h)
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 21, 2022 01:11 PM (OalnH)
Posted by: jakee308 at January 21, 2022 01:11 PM (BFQeJ)
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 21, 2022 01:11 PM (trdmm)
China re-creates the Greater East Asia Co-prosperity Zone. And annexes Siberia. That is largely what Putin is afeared of.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at January 21, 2022 12:47 PM (vcOmj)
And he shows that by selling the ChiComs a bunch of military tech (the recent ChiCom hypersonic missile that everyone had vapors about turned out to be a Chinese knockoff of a Russian design).
The Russian need for cash in hard currency tends to trump their geopolitical ambitions most of the time.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 21, 2022 01:11 PM (n+4am)
Meh...we did it first.
Posted by: Peeplz Republic of Cally, dudebro! at January 21, 2022 01:11 PM (9s20h)
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Just mostly funded by it.
Posted by: Axeman at January 21, 2022 01:11 PM (XHhHI)
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Scandalous!
Posted by: United Nations at January 21, 2022 01:11 PM (OalnH)
Posted by: Editor at January 21, 2022 01:11 PM (dl3WP)
Posted by: Big V Caffeinated at January 21, 2022 01:12 PM (Adlwz)
Posted by: Shenanigans at January 21, 2022 01:12 PM (ZR7kf)
**checks off "COVID-19" box on death cert**
Posted by: The Hospital $$$$ at January 21, 2022 01:12 PM (786Ro)
Posted by: Axeman at January 21, 2022 01:04 PM (XHhHI)
$1 Trillion just disappeared into our "Infrastructure" hole. Gone. No trace.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 21, 2022 01:06 PM (trdmm)
$6 billion went down the state department rabbit hole. Gone. No trace.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 21, 2022 01:12 PM (Fs5vw)
Posted by: Mrs. Peel at January 21, 2022 01:10 PM
* stunned silence *
* doffs chapeau *
Posted by: J. Random Moron at January 21, 2022 01:12 PM (a3Q+t)
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 21, 2022 01:11 PM (trdmm)
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I wonder if those nukes even work.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 21, 2022 01:12 PM (OalnH)
The document that I think is the Russian proposed basis for the security talks, as I've noted once before, is a sort of striking document, reads like an INF Treaty ripped time-transported to 2022. Point being it's all about defensive concerns, NATO presence in relation to Russian territory, and medium-range nuclear systems.
Probably willowed by now. Bottom line: many of the issues engaged actually pre-date Biden and aren't directly related to his obvious unfitness (and that of his entire "team") - but having this ridiculous, ridiculous group of sub-mediocrities in charge definitely raises the risks (which is why serious countries never dream of putting such people in charge).
Posted by: rhomboid at January 21, 2022 01:12 PM (OTzUX)
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So nice and accommodating
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 21, 2022 01:12 PM (lCui1)
You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't brush or floss nearly enough, you want me on that drill. You need me on that drill.
We use words like "root canal", "abscess", "extraction". We use these words as the backbone of a lifetime spent operating on something. You use them as a punchline.
Posted by: Spheres of Influence at January 21, 2022 01:12 PM (J567a)
Posted by: zmdavid at January 21, 2022 01:12 PM (xqRaG)
It's probably a charge of mail fraud if I stuck a couple hundred ballots in my mail box, while if I did the same thing in a drop box, then no penalty.
The Dems are shrewd.
Posted by: Traitor Joe's Military Surplus at January 21, 2022 01:12 PM (dQvv7)
Fairly noteworthy, I would say.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 21, 2022 01:12 PM (Xrfse)
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 21, 2022 01:06 PM (trdmm)
I'm taking a job with the new ACORN, where I'll get mine.
Posted by: Recent Studies Grad at January 21, 2022 01:12 PM (wBpKf)
Posted by: Ordinary American at January 21, 2022 12:36 PM (H8QX
This always amazes me. The WEF meets every year. They don't even hide their plans. It's just not reported because the reporters think they're in the group that gets to live.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at January 21, 2022 01:12 PM (U7wke)
My take would be that if we have learned anything from history, these are never isolated conflicts. Eventually, everybody gets sucked in.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 21, 2022 01:04 PM (Xrfse)
It was run by a Russian friendly gangsters since its independence. Untill Obama installed a US friendly gangster, Maidan etc. And then shit hit the fan.
Posted by: runner at January 21, 2022 01:13 PM (xrkn1)
I'm starting to think America is much like the family that enables their wayward drug addled children: always ready to bail them out of their latest problem.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 21, 2022 01:13 PM (5pTK/)
Posted by: itzWicks at January 21, 2022 01:13 PM (MbgKo)
Posted by: Big V Caffeinated at January 21, 2022 01:12 PM (Adlwz)
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You sound like leftists who were convinced Trump would get us into WW3 with Iran. FFS, chill out.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 21, 2022 01:13 PM (OalnH)
Not one in a thousand knows that was in response to anti war (World War I) agitation.
We can look forward to the "antiwar" Left calling us "unpatriotic" for not supporting The Next War.
This should be Fun. Maybe Crosby, Weed, Pills and Hash and all the other hippies can reprise their tunes
Posted by: Common Tater at January 21, 2022 01:13 PM (psL96)
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Our politicians and their families have been laundering money and performing massively illegal financial deals via the country for years.
I'm not saying that jokingly. Search for Hunter Biden and Burisma if you're unfamiliar.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - N95 masks are single use at January 21, 2022 01:13 PM (hjymu)
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions
Or ya know she could bring the kids with her to vote
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 21, 2022 01:04 PM (lCui1)M
Right. My babies voted with me for Romney (gag) and Trump x2!
Posted by: Roxanne, Roxanne at January 21, 2022 01:13 PM (szWS4)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 21, 2022 01:14 PM (ZLI7S)
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So nice and accommodating
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 21, 2022 01:12 PM (lCui1)
Dear God, what a stupid time to be alive.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 21, 2022 01:14 PM (dNqv+)
Posted by: Eeyore at January 21, 2022 01:14 PM (7X3UV)
Cuz reasons. And more reasons and finally, reasons.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 21, 2022 01:14 PM (OalnH)
The Democrat Party Military (formerly US Military) got its ass handed to it by goat humpers in a land cursed for millennia.
The Russian military will have its way over the transvestites, perverts and innumerate woke misfits that make up today's Democrat Party Military.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 21, 2022 01:14 PM (OyEQ8)
I am so envious right now
Posted by: Klaus Schwab at January 21, 2022 01:14 PM (786Ro)
Posted by: runner at January 21, 2022 01:14 PM (xrkn1)
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Yep. And there was this little girl named Hillary and her best friend Nuland. Obama deferred to Hillary and assigned Joe Czar of Ukraine if you recall.
Posted by: Puddin Head at January 21, 2022 01:15 PM (uia9V)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2022 01:15 PM (Hyu/m)
Posted by: Sponge - Remembering Oregon Muse
I personally prefer very competent boobs. Uh, what were we talking about again?
Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at January 21, 2022 01:15 PM (vcOmj)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 21, 2022 01:15 PM (F4b8f)
You want the Tooth!
You can't HANDLE the Tooth!
Posted by: jakee308 at January 21, 2022 01:15 PM (BFQeJ)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2022 01:15 PM (Hyu/m)
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I KNEW IT! You ladies are fiesty!
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 21, 2022 01:16 PM (DU+/6)
You want the Tooth!
You can't HANDLE the Tooth!
Posted by: jakee308 at January 21, 2022 01:15 PM (BFQeJ)
Spooky Tooth!!!
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 21, 2022 01:16 PM (trdmm)
And John McCain.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 21, 2022 01:16 PM (ZLI7S)
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In one year.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - N95 masks are single use at January 21, 2022 01:16 PM (hjymu)
Posted by: WiNO at January 21, 2022 01:16 PM (tHPvL)
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 21, 2022 01:16 PM (Y+l9t)
Ukraine = Bloods
America should be white liberals in West Hollywood who give no fucks and just watch them kill each other, since it doesn't affect them.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 21, 2022 01:16 PM (OalnH)
Anyone seen Hunter lately? I'd like to get his take.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 21, 2022 01:14 PM
I think we'd all like to get his 90% take.
Posted by: Traitor Joe's Military Surplus at January 21, 2022 01:17 PM (dQvv7)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 21, 2022 01:15 PM (Hyu/m)
More likely he has shady dealings with people who would burn your house down.
Posted by: Grudge Harbor at January 21, 2022 01:17 PM (wBpKf)
My point has been that we let Anschluss happen despite being a MAJOR party to WW1. HELL, we even had occupation troops in Germany until Harding called them home.
Posted by: torabora at January 21, 2022 01:17 PM (YdnVw)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 21, 2022 01:17 PM (5pTK/)
Posted by: Sponge - Remembering Oregon Muse at January 21, 2022 01:17 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Archer at January 21, 2022 01:18 PM (gmo/4)
Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at January 21, 2022 01:18 PM (0OmEj)
I realize you can't say these things without people getting their undies in a wad, but had Hilter simply taken the German lands back that were stolen from them after WW1, and said he was done, the world would be a better place today. And history would have said he was right to do so.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 21, 2022 01:18 PM (YV6PJ)
US GDP: $21T
And we're scared of Russia? LOL.
Once again, it's not 1983. Russia is a pimple on the world's ass. Annoying sure, but you don't stay up at night worrying about it.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - I miss Delta Variant at January 21, 2022 01:18 PM (OalnH)
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 21, 2022 01:18 PM (iUs96)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 21, 2022 01:18 PM (p+1gI)
In California we have a woman who drinks bear piss and burns down houses by the hundreds.
Posted by: torabora at January 21, 2022 01:18 PM (YdnVw)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 21, 2022 01:08 PM (z5Vrg)
I did in a paper I wrote in college back in the 60's. If the US hadn't been so isolationist, WWII may have been shortened by a lot.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 21, 2022 01:19 PM (Fs5vw)
Posted by: junior at January 21, 2022 01:19 PM (2og5S)
I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who chews and swallows under the blanket of the very flouride I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it.
I would rather that you just said "thank you, NGU" and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you don and apron and grab a water-pick. Either way, I don't give a DAMN what you think regarding European Geo-Politics !!!
Posted by: Spheres of Influence at January 21, 2022 01:19 PM (J567a)
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 21, 2022 01:19 PM (Fs5vw)
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And if Neville Chamberlain hadn't rolled over for Hitler, WWII probably wouldn't have happened.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/)) at January 21, 2022 01:20 PM (5pTK/)
I realize you can't say these things without people getting their undies in a wad, but had Hilter simply taken the German lands back that were stolen from them after WW1, and said he was done, the world would be a better place today. And history would have said he was right to do so.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 21, 2022 01:18 PM (YV6PJ)
Well without WWII I don't think the US becomes a super power and so there are a number of additional conflicts globally compared to what we lived through. Granted that might ultimately be less costly for us, but that's not clearly a "better place".
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 21, 2022 01:20 PM (z5Vrg)
All kinds of mundane realities that are (selectively, or alternatively) ignored along the way.
Russia is, indeed, economically very weak and mismanaged, and this is one reason Putin's press conferences, speeches, and Duma debates center on regional development, social spending, etc. NATO is a weird relic with no actual "alliance" military power of note, though a few members retain some limited capability. Russia's current foreign policy patterns in the western "near abroad" are characteristically defensive - the often paranoid/excessive sort, but essentially defensive.
Crimea was the only major land grab likely to occur; parts of eastern Ukraine (Russian "ethnic" majority) sort of are/have been/will end up being, de facto, "taken". That's it for territory. No conventional wars.
Posted by: rhomboid at January 21, 2022 01:21 PM (OTzUX)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 21, 2022 01:08 PM (z5Vrg)
I did in a paper I wrote in college back in the 60's. If the US hadn't been so isolationist, WWII may have been shortened by a lot.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 21, 2022 01:19 PM (Fs5vw)
You're essentially proposing a duty to intervene by every great power globally then.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 21, 2022 01:22 PM (z5Vrg)
You really think our LGBT military can actually win a war? With a nuclear power? Don't poke the bear. It's pointless and gains us nothing.
Posted by: KeaponLaffin at January 21, 2022 01:22 PM (xyrfk)
Seriously, I think if someone is a regular, satisfied CNN viewer they should be considered on the same level as a grown adult who watches professional wrestling and thinks the matches are real.
Posted by: Zek at January 21, 2022 01:24 PM (jm8yL)
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 21, 2022 01:25 PM (Y+l9t)
We were on the wrong side in Syria. Russia was on the less wrong side. They backed the Westernized Dictator. We backed what would become the Muslim Brotherhood. For whatever reason - and let's not bullshit each other, that reason is an entire generation raised in the Cold War that just can't let it go - whenever the Russians say black, we say white.
Posted by: Spheres of Influence at January 21, 2022 01:25 PM (J567a)
The Russian need for cash in hard currency tends to trump their geopolitical ambitions most of the time.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur
It's kind of the Russian way. Play both sides of the street.
I am not really convinced that all this hypersonic weapons shit really works.
And yeah, in the short term, Russia is kind of broke. And they will sell to anybody to get foreign currency.
Not to sound like I am talking out of both sides of my mouth, but Russia and China have short and long term plans, which may at times LOOK conflicting.
China, the Land of Sun Tzu, would like to do all of this without firing a shot.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at January 21, 2022 01:25 PM (vcOmj)
We have an idiot for a president and a state department with convoluted minds.
We are in trouble not because we are physically incapable it's because we are mentally corrupt.
Posted by: Braenyard at January 21, 2022 01:31 PM (HO/bY)
I say we let these warmongering centenarians have their war before they kick the bucket!
Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 21, 2022 01:36 PM (6liew)
Putin will show that trophy to his subjects and they'll cheer.
Biden will thrust out his chest and claim to have beaten the shit out of Putin with a bike chain, a la Cornpop -- because Trump wanted all of Western Europe, and look, all he got were a few wheat fields in eastern Ukraine.
And Putin will have pumped up Biden's tires pre-midterm, and helped his allies (the Democrat Party) maintain a stranglehold on power, and they'll give him another pipeline deal or two in return.
Posted by: Pastafarian at January 21, 2022 01:53 PM (8dG3Q)
Posted by: Pastafarian at January 21, 2022 01:55 PM (8dG3Q)
Now Putin will be the reasonable one when he just settles for the Donbas, and maybe a bit of the Novorossiya coastline in order to have an overland route to Crimea.
Posted by: Sam at January 21, 2022 01:56 PM (ohyxL)
Now Putin will be the reasonable one when he just settles for the Donbas, and maybe a bit of the Novorossiya coastline in order to have an overland route to Crimea.
Posted by: Sam at January 21, 2022 01:56 PM (ohyxL)
That's exactly where this is headed.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 21, 2022 02:01 PM (trdmm)
Posted by: linlou at January 21, 2022 02:05 PM (Is1d8)
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at January 21, 2022 12:09 PM (wmDcS)
Suits me. Even as a warmonger, carrying around the rotten corpse of an alliance made to counter the now vanished Soviet Union makes no sense. Not all of the "Atlantic" countries are of any use in a confrontation in the Baltic or Balkans or Black Sea. Let it die.
If we want assurances for the East European states, let us deal with them and Russia and find a solution that doesn't involve 70 years of conflating the USSR with modern Russia.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 21, 2022 02:14 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: BurtTC at January 21, 2022 01:18 PM (YV6PJ)
1938 Time Magazine's Man of the Year
Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at January 21, 2022 02:15 PM (Hh3y4)
We were on the wrong side in Syria. Russia was on the less wrong side. They backed the Westernized Dictator. We backed what would become the Muslim Brotherhood. For whatever reason - and let's not bullshit each other, that reason is an entire generation raised in the Cold War that just can't let it go - whenever the Russians say black, we say white.
Posted by: Spheres of Influence at January 21, 2022 01:25 PM (J567a)
The thing that pisses me off is that I should be the one going off about Putin. The Liberals and Leftist were all lovey-dove with Russia when it was the Commie USSR and hard against any confrontation. Now after they ditch communism suddenly Russia can be dredged up as the uber-Threat using what we said about the USSR.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 21, 2022 02:17 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 21, 2022 01:20 PM (z5Vrg)
That's not true - in WWI we basically made all of the ammo and a good chunk of the weapons used by the Allies. They then used the people freed up by this to make the rest of the tools needed. After the war these countries owed the US a lot of money, and Wilson tried to use that influence to play politics in the Peace Treaty.
We turned away somewhat from swinging the big stick, but we were involved in naval arms limitation treaties and were allotted the largest navy, same as the UK.
That went double or triple in WWII where our equipment was used all over - tanks, planes, and so on.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 21, 2022 02:24 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 21, 2022 01:19 PM (Fs5vw)
isolationist in/before WWII? the US was fighting the U Boats in half of the Atlantic and we were shipping arms to one side without them even paying long before we entered the war officially.
The US was heavily involved in all international arms limitation and naval treaties and got allotments of the largest allowed size of fleets.
The army, on the other hand, would have needed nearly the same amount of time since rearming started long before Pearl Harbor and the Navy we used was still being built up. So 1939-40 goes just about the same way.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 21, 2022 02:31 PM (eoQWY)
I am not really convinced that all this hypersonic weapons shit really works.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at January 21, 2022 01:25 PM (vcOmj)
We make it very hard to play our side of the street when we sanction them every 10 minutes.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 21, 2022 02:32 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: sidney at January 21, 2022 02:57 PM (LJJah)
Posted by: Baldy at January 21, 2022 03:01 PM (MNMFq)
They chose well.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 21, 2022 12:40 PM (LvTSG)
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Europeans have,on average, higher fertility than European Americans. Lower suicide rate too.
Amusing to think that you believe we Europeans trust American security guarantees. You can't defend your borders,statues, or children Your soldiers run away at the drop of a hat.Your cities if not engulfed in rioting are awash in homeless and human excrement.
You are a broken people with no future.
Posted by: neutral observer at January 21, 2022 03:37 PM (YHZ1m)
Posted by: Armchair Sinner at January 21, 2022 04:40 PM (BnOvL)
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