Gun Thread: 12/5/21 Edition!

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Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

Holy Shitballs! It's December! How in the hell did that happen? The months and years really come at you fast, don't they? Not a heck of a lot going on in WeaselWorld right now. Mostly work stuff this past week but I hope to get to the farm for a few days next week. After that, it'll be time to think about Christmas plans. We usually head for the NC beaches for the week and rent a house; no crowds, no bugs, and a surprising number of businesses and restaurants are open year 'round. Do you stay at home or go somewhere?

Special Announcement - Wedding Bells in Wyoming!

Double Holy Shitballs!! Our pals Jesse (not) in DC and Screaming in Digital recently tied the knot and to seal the deal headed to the range for celebratory gunfire! Can't wait for the report, and a bigly Gun Thread Congratulations to both of you!!

With that, let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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New Product Recommendation

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This week I have a new product recommendation, having recently added Sea Foam Deep Creep to my gun cleaning and maintenance arsenal. I have used Sea Foam products for years as engine oil treatments and fuel stabilizers, mostly on stuff at the farm which sees irregular use, and I am a big fan. I guess Deep Creep must be a new(er) product because I only recently started to see it advertised, but after trying it I was immediately impressed! So much so that it's become my new go-to product as a general rust inhibitor for guns spending most of their time in the safe. Spray it on, wipe down the excess and you're done. It doesn't have any harsh odors and as far as I can tell does a really very good job!

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I still like Aerokroil for certain applications, but a 12 ounce can of Deep Creep is around $10 or approximately half the price of Aerokroil.

It has always been my practice to recommend only items I like, buy with my own dinero, and use on my own stuff. Try it and let me know what you think!

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First up, our pal A.H. Lloyd sends us a very nice report on .32 caliber revolvers. Take it away, AHL!

I may just have stumbled upon pocket pistol perfection. As Horde members know, I've been really enjoying .32 ACP pistols and as strong proponent of revolvers, it seemed the perfect time to explore other uses of this almost forgotten caliber. To be clear, this wasn't just a nostalgia trip; I wanted to see if .32 revolvers are still viable self-defense options. My wife has been having increasing issues with arthritis and grip strength, and something that has both a light, compact platform and smooth recoil would be perfect for her.

My research revealed three viable options in the current era: .32 Smith and Wesson Long, .32 H&R Magnum and .327 Federal Magnum. For brevity's sake, I'm just going call them .32 Long, .32 Magnum and .327 Magnum respectively from now on.

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Back in the day, .32 Long was very popular caliber, widely used by civilians and police agencies, most famously the New York Police Dept. We now look at it as severely underpowered, but in fact .32 Long has pretty decent ballistics for its size. In terms of total energy, .32 Long has twice the horsepower of comparable .22 Long Rifle or .25 ACP cartridges. That's pretty good. The pistols chambered in it generally run less than $200, which is nice if you are on a budget. Another bonus of .32 Long revolvers is that they can chamber and safely fire .32 Short cartridges. It's not that common these days, but one sees it from time to time. I imagine that would be super-mild.

Next up for consideration was .32 Magnum, which was developed in the 1980s to rejuvenate the market for small-frame revolvers. In terms of energy, .32 Magnum is actually superior to the standard loads for both .38 Special and .380 ACP. Revolvers that support .32 Magnum can also fire .32 Long, so you get a bit more flexibility. A nice feature is that these use the exact same size frames as compact .38 Special revolvers and the smaller size cartridge means you get an extra round in your cylinder: six .32 Magnum vs five .38 Special.

This brings us to.327 Magnum, which was designed to compete with the .357 Magnum. Indeed, these typically use the same frames so you will get six .327 Magnum to five 357 Magnum. Because of its very robust construction, revolvers in .327 Magnum can also use all of the above-mentioned cartridges.

Here lies the rub. I've fired .357 Magnums out of a compact frame and I won't willingly do it again. There is reason to believe that the felt recoil on .327 Magnum is less, but you're still carrying a much heavier revolver. The Undercoverette is almost the same size and weight as my Taurus 85 Total Titanium; my mail scale puts them an ounce apart. A Ruger LCR in .327 Magnum adds almost 50 percent more weight.

There's also the economics of the actual weapons. Pistols in .327 Magnum cost significantly more than .32 Magnums - on the order of twice as much. A new Undercoverette could be got for under $350 while LCRs run $750 or more.

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The .327 Magnum gives you a heavier weapon and harder recoil while significantly increasing your purchase price. This pretty much violates all of my criteria. In terms of performance, the Undercoverette is a total sweetheart. Yes, as the photo indicates, it's basically a clone of the J-frame/Taurus 85 platform, but the felt recoil with .32 Long and .32 Magnum are both significantly less than what you get with .38 Special. Can you tell which is which? I'll give the answer in the comments.

Firing .32 Long is pretty mild, definitely more than a .22, but hardly alarming. When I moved up to .32 Magnum, I found myself in a sweet spot – crisp enough recoil to feel like you're doing something meaningful, but mild enough that shooting one-handed was a breeze. Recovery was quick and easy. It's hard to describe other than to say it was pretty much the Platonic ideal of a Magnum revolver; hits hard, shoots flat, but at the same time is easier to control than standard loads of .38 Special.

The only knock against the .32 Magnum is that ammo has lately been devilishly hard to find. I think the reason is that there's simply more money to be made selling 9mm for 30-40 cents per round than .32 Magnum for a dollar a round. However, I noticed that my local stores are now awash in 9mm and prices are steadily falling. I've already gotten one alert on Ammoseek that retailers are getting .32 Magnum back in stock, so I think it will become more plentiful fairly soon.

Both .32 Long and .327 Magnum are available, though the latter is more expensive than the former. This is pretty similar to the .38/.357 dynamic.

One final note: yes, as Chris Baker has noted, revolvers chambered for .32 Magnum and .327 Magnum have the capability to handle .32 ACP ammunition. He thinks it's a bad idea, and he makes some good points. However, he also used a Ruger LCR in .327 Magnum, which has a chamber length 1/8 inch longer than my Undercoverette. For whatever reason, I didn't run into any of his problems. If you look at the holes closest to the Undercoverette in my target photo, you see fair group for 8 yards and all holes are clean. The mess below was caused by bullet splash from a nearby steel plate. The Fiocchi ammo I used had normal primer strikes and ejected easily.

So having disagreed with Baker, I'm going to offer three different reasons for keeping .32 ACP out of your revolver. First, even if it is accurate and doesn't tumble, it still has a different point of aim, which complicates your practice session by introducing a different sight picture. Second, there's the risk that someone will load it into Grandad's .32 Long revolver, which absolutely cannot handle its pressure. Finally, it's ballistic performance has to be severely degraded by the chamber mismatch (it is very short compared to the other cartridges), and it's not like .32 ACP is a world-beater to begin with.

Getting back to the Undercoverette, should .32 Magnum ammo come into wider availability, I would seriously consider making it my baseline carry piece. Yes, I like it that much.

Great write-up, AHL! Thank you!

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Next up, our pal JerseyDevilRider sends us a range report with his .308.

Tis is at the farm firing my Mossberg .308. First picture is the target. We started with an 8 1/2 by 11 and didn't hit crap. Hitting the dirt mound way high and on the left. I knew I had an issue but didn't expect to be that bad. My shooting bud's stepdad helped zero it with an in the barrel laser, but we were limited to a garage due to weather. So we switched to the back of one of those ICE targets used on the pistol range. I drew a little blue dot in the center. We took turns to eliminate my lack of skill as the problem. My bud shot for years. Our first turns were all high and right. You can see the grouping. Then you can see the changes as we stepped down the scope. Once we get it about in line we moved it left. We ended up dead center. It was actually pretty cool to do the adjustments and see the results. My first time.

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Great job and nice shooting. Thanks for sending this in!

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Next, our pal hrothgar sends a range report zeroing a new AR-15.

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In a futile attempt to become even more well known to the authorities, I let blaster convince me to send you this picture. This is the PSA blemished AR-15 kit I recently purchased. It is probably impossible to see in the photo but the only identifiable blemish I could find was a slight color differential around the trigger housing pin. One trip to the range and you'd probably see more "damage". So right now, it is basically an out of the box AR with a pretty good shot group using only factory iron sights. Blaster and I both had weapons we wanted to zero so we did the seated bench rest patterns and corrected based on those. What I found interesting was that the full magazines were fired from a standing position, and I now think that for shorter range work, a measly 25 yards, it might behoove one to do the zeroing based on shot groups fired in the position you think will be actually used, i.e., in this case from a standing position. We did not have time to try this today, but I view it as a future experiment that I need to conduct.

Nice job, hrothgar! Glad to see you getting to the range and zeroing your new rifle! Regardless of the distance, the zero is the zero, and I always recommend it be done from a bench with a very solid setup.

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Next, our pal I used to have a different nic sends a picture of a new rifle.

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Still need sights and whatnot so no range time yet.

Very nice rifle! Please let us know how it shoots once you get it set up and take it to the range!

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Next, our pal Blake sends a video of an unusual 1911 variant.

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Chuck Connors

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Finally, our pal redc1c4 sends along a great article on Chuck Connors.

There is a lot in the article I didn't know! Thanks redc1c4!

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Gun Basics 101
This week we have a review of the Mantis Training System from the She Equips Herself girl.

We've covered these a lot in the past - what are your thoughts? Now that ammo availability is loosening up somewhat, are you more or less inclined to keep using this type of system?

Cigar of the Week

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At $11 each, the Ramon Allones Robusto by AJ Fernandez are a little pricer than my daily smoke, but are a perfect accompaniment to the Gun Thread on Sunday evening!

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***Mail Bag***

Blake sends us this week's MailBag entry. This is how it should be!!

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Please note the new and improved protonmail account gunthread at protonmail dot com. An informal Gun Thread archive can be found HERE. Future expansion plans are in the works for the site Weasel Gun Thread. If you have a question you would like to ask Gun Thread Staff offline, just send us a note and we'll do our best to answer. If you care to share the story of your favorite firearm, send a picture with your nic and tell us what you sadly lost in the tragic canoe accident. If you would like to remain completely anonymous, just say so. Lurkers are always welcome!

That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

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Comments

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1 Fire when ready

Posted by: Skip at December 05, 2021 07:00 PM (2JoB8)

2 FIRST!!!!! Now to content

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 05, 2021 07:00 PM (mcfjc)

3 Dammit

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 05, 2021 07:00 PM (mcfjc)

4 Woohoo!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at December 05, 2021 07:01 PM (axyOa)

5 Kapow

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at December 05, 2021 07:01 PM (R5lpX)

6 I have sad news to report

She Equips Herself is getting married

Posted by: Skip at December 05, 2021 07:01 PM (2JoB8)

7 She/ they have a video Q&A on their wedding, if you can bear to watch it

Posted by: Skip at December 05, 2021 07:02 PM (2JoB8)

8 Howdy, gub 'rons and 'ettes, and special congrats to Jesse and SID on their marriage. Thanks as always to our hostest with the mostest Weasel for the venue and the content.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at December 05, 2021 07:04 PM (Agr8U)

9 But for good news going to be as close as can to Kempton Pa tomorrow so maybe, just maybe could come home with a new pistol.

Posted by: Skip at December 05, 2021 07:04 PM (2JoB8)

10 Hello Weasel! Off to read content...

Posted by: Ed L at December 05, 2021 07:05 PM (NacE+)

11 Thanks for yet another fun thread, Weasel. May they never end lest it be voluntarily.

Posted by: Inogame at December 05, 2021 07:05 PM (NsDVl)

12 Howdy Morons!

I hope everyone thoroughly enjoyed partaking of the AOS Lifestyle this weekend.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 05, 2021 07:05 PM (tkyK5)

13 Ian at Forgotten Weapons posted a new video on how the ATF is going electronic for form 4's including fingerprints and pictures to reduce the wait time to 90 days with a goal of 30 days by 2022.

We shall see.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 05, 2021 07:06 PM (R/m4+)

14 Love the bulk ammo dispensers. It's like a Moron's version of Whole Foods.

Speaking of .32s, has anyone heard from or know anything about retropox? He just sort of disappeared from here a while back.

Posted by: Oddbob at December 05, 2021 07:06 PM (nfrXX)

15 So how does the Deep Creep smell, Weasel? I mean does it attract the ladies like Hoppe's?

Posted by: Eromero at December 05, 2021 07:06 PM (0OP+5)

16 Deep Creep solved the most pressing problem I had.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 05, 2021 07:07 PM (HOAaW)

17 there are some Spanish Orbea and related .32 S&W style revolvers out there, but remember also that the Spanish companies also made a lot more 8mm Lebel revolver pistols for the French.

And some of those are not very well marked . . .

Posted by: Kindltot at December 05, 2021 07:07 PM (ZMraq)

18 Howdy EdL and Inogame!

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 07:08 PM (0IeYL)

19 Wonder if Deep Creep can be used in the bedroom???

Posted by: Big JiLm at December 05, 2021 07:08 PM (z+jkv)

20 I believe that the "Idaho grocery store" is really Alpine Shooting Range in Kennedale, Texas.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at December 05, 2021 07:08 PM (wyAtj)

21 Howdy, Horde! My new hobby is really expensive! Didja know primers are $100 a thousand? And the myriad pieces and parts to go with? Whooo buddy!

Anyone else experiencing dollar shock?

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at December 05, 2021 07:08 PM (Iw46i)

22 Good evening everyone.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 05, 2021 07:08 PM (mD/uy)

23 Congrats Jesse and SID!!!


AHL, nice write up on the .32's. I did not even know such a caliber was around. I think the majority of the handgun market is 9mm, .357 or .45.

Question, as you are looking for a viable platform for your wife did you have her try any of them and get feedback on what she likes?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 05, 2021 07:09 PM (mcfjc)

24 Double Holy Shitballs!! Our pals Jesse (not) in DC and Screaming in Digital recently tied the knot and to seal the deal headed to the range for celebratory gunfire! Can't wait for the report, and a bigly Gun Thread Congratulations to both of you!!

Further Congratulations!

P.S. I already thought you were married. Proof that I come by my last name honestly.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 05, 2021 07:10 PM (tkyK5)

25 15 So how does the Deep Creep smell, Weasel? I mean does it attract the ladies like Hoppe's?
Posted by: Eromero at December 05, 2021 07:06 PM (0OP+5)
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Nowhere near as good as Hoppes9!

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 07:10 PM (0IeYL)

26 Jesse and SID., Blessings on you both and the happiest life together. So glad I was able to meet you both.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 05, 2021 07:10 PM (HOAaW)

27 PSA seems to have a lot of "blemished" stuff. I couldn't find the blemish on the upper I got from them, but to tell the truth, I didn't get a real good look at it before the canoe trip.

Posted by: f'd at December 05, 2021 07:10 PM (Tnijr)

28
g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at December 05, 2021 07:11 PM (DUIap)

29 Ben Had - are you talking about that rusted-in pin out in the barn ?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (03BbD) at December 05, 2021 07:11 PM (03BbD)

30 I use BreakFree CLP and Mobil Mobilith SHC 100 Red Lithium Complex Grease for lube.

The grease is great and a $25 tube will probably last me a lifetime. I'm also a big fan of bore snakes. I run the through three times with some BreakFree after a range day and the bore is clean as a whistle.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 05, 2021 07:12 PM (i0wNm)

31 Hey Weasel and fellow gub-heads!

I would like to tap into the "horde mind", if I could.

I've decided that I don't want a holster. What I would like instead, is some sort of conceal carry bag, with a cross body strap, low profile, i.e. slim, would only carry a pistol and one extra mag. Any suggested mfgs? I ordered something that fit the bill, but it ended up being too large.

Thanx in advance!

Posted by: Honda at December 05, 2021 07:12 PM (R7LyT)

32 Pillage Idoit, hugs guy. I'm still waiting on address to send you stuff.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 05, 2021 07:12 PM (HOAaW)

33 Sadly, no range report.

I would have gone today but got caught up watching Formula 1 and by the time that was over it would have taken to much time to go to the range and back.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 05, 2021 07:13 PM (mcfjc)

34 Question, as you are looking for a viable platform for your wife did you have her try any of them and get feedback on what she likes?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 05, 2021 07:09 PM (mcfjc)
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The lovely Mrs. Lloyd is very temperature sensitive, so she did not join me at the outdoor range in a secure, undisclosed location.

I've just noticed that she enjoys shooting full-sized .380s - she just killed it with a Femaru M37. In that larger frame, .380 is really mild.

I'm also sort of taking over the role of .32 geek here, so it was a natural progression.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 05, 2021 07:13 PM (llXky)

35 Willpower but important.

Great, my expenses keep mounting:

Minkey rental
Grease
Strippers

Splunge is hosting the AZ MoMe!


Posted by: Pete Bog at December 05, 2021 07:13 PM (bzrNB)

36 Posted by: Honda at December 05, 2021 07:12 PM (R7LyT)
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Howdy Honda! I'm sure you'll get lots of recommendations tonight.

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 07:13 PM (0IeYL)

37 She has a nice profile.

Posted by: SFGoth at December 05, 2021 07:14 PM (KAi1n)

38 Posted by: Honda at December 05, 2021 07:12 PM (R7LyT)
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I will add that the front "fanny pack" style was popular for a while.

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 07:15 PM (0IeYL)

39 sock_rat, Yes. Deep Creep and a 5lb hammer solved my problem. I was at a stalemate until I could get that pin out.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 05, 2021 07:15 PM (HOAaW)

40 Weasel!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 05, 2021 07:16 PM (kTF2Z)

41 Duke!!

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 07:16 PM (0IeYL)

42 Greetings Horde, Weasel!

Thicc Boi online!

Posted by: Thicc Boi at December 05, 2021 07:16 PM (zThcc)

43 > I've decided that I don't want a holster. What I would like instead, is some sort of conceal carry bag, with a cross body strap, low profile, i.e. slim, would only carry a pistol and one extra mag.

Hill People Gear is top notch.
https://bit.ly/3dkWxYX

Posted by: bonhomme at December 05, 2021 07:17 PM (i0wNm)

44 That picture of She Equips Herself. Damn, she looks ummm healthy. Or as the King of the Swamp Castle said "She's got....huge tracts of land!!"

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 05, 2021 07:17 PM (mcfjc)

45 Thanks Weasel!

Since I put that together, I did some target shooting, comparing my venerable Taurus 85 to the Undercoverette using both .32 Long and .32 Magnum.

I'll get you a write up later in the week.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 05, 2021 07:17 PM (llXky)

46 Thicc Boi! Sup, bro?

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 07:17 PM (0IeYL)

47 34 I'm also sort of taking over the role of .32 geek here, so it was a natural progression.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 05, 2021 07:13

Gotcha!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 05, 2021 07:18 PM (mcfjc)

48 Evening, folks!
Range Report:
Cold. 31 degrees. Snow.

Posted by: RI Red - KfzQO at December 05, 2021 07:18 PM (R1/9P)

49 Honda!! Need to stay in touch to see if we can do a get together. Hugs to you both.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 05, 2021 07:18 PM (HOAaW)

50 Posted by: RI Red - KfzQO at December 05, 2021 07:18 PM (R1/9P)
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Shooting in snow is great for reading wind.

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 07:19 PM (0IeYL)

51 Semi gun self-defense related. You know those horrible right wing extremists dressed in uniform khaki and carrying shields who marched in D.C. and then were mysteriously whisked away in U Haul trucks? Yeah, well, the story gets curiouser and curiouser.

https://bit.ly/3EtmIss

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 05, 2021 07:19 PM (FVME7)

52 After giving my Ruger PC-9 Carbine some love it's now time to do some shotgunning.

Took the Typhoon AR platform shotgun out for a ride yesterday. Need moar pumpkins.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 05, 2021 07:19 PM (BFigT)

53 Evening Red!! A balmy 46 degrees here, probably 35 or 37 at my outdoor range.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 05, 2021 07:20 PM (mcfjc)

54 44 That picture of She Equips Herself. Damn, she looks ummm healthy. Or as the King of the Swamp Castle said "She's got....huge tracts of land!!"
Posted by: Scuba_Dude

She is indeed a beautiful young woman. Even more so because she takes her safety into her own hands. I wish more women followed her example instead of resorting to the victim mindset.

Ladies, and gentlemen, no one is going to show up to save your ass. You better be ready to do it yourselves.

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 05, 2021 07:20 PM (U2p+3)

55 Right now I'm in a state where I have to have a FOID card just to buy ammo. Next Sunday I will reside in a constitutional carry state. This makes me happy.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 05, 2021 07:20 PM (kTF2Z)

56 Posted by: nurse ratched at December 05, 2021 07:20 PM (U2p+3)
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Well said.

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 07:21 PM (0IeYL)

57 wow, that's great news ! I was wondering about that the other day when you remarked that you were heading out to the barn to do chores.

5 lb hammer is always good, and though a fan of Aero Kroil for many years I may have to try out a can of this Deep Creep stuff !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (03BbD) at December 05, 2021 07:21 PM (03BbD)

58 32 Pillage Idoit, hugs guy. I'm still waiting on address to send you stuff.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 05, 2021 07:12 PM


Hugs back at you!

I was out of town so much I got behind on emails. I will check tonight after dinner (and gun thread).

Sorry!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 05, 2021 07:21 PM (tkyK5)

59 What I would like instead, is some sort of conceal carry bag, with a cross body strap, low profile,...

Honda, forgive the personal question, but are you male or female? The answer may help you get more useful suggestions.

Posted by: Oddbob at December 05, 2021 07:22 PM (nfrXX)

60 YAY! Gun thread!

Posted by: GWB at December 05, 2021 07:23 PM (Gcsm/)

61 I see she equips herself is doing things properly: Shoulders back!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at December 05, 2021 07:23 PM (2SdPm)

62 nurse, well said and followed.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 05, 2021 07:23 PM (HOAaW)

63 Jesse and sid,
Such a joy to meet y'all. Blessings and peace to you both! Congratulations!

Hope to see y'all in Colorado in April.

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 05, 2021 07:23 PM (U2p+3)

64 50 Posted by: RI Red - KfzQO at December 05, 2021 07:18 PM (R1/9P)
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Shooting in snow is great for reading wind.

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 07:19 PM


How is it for finding hot brass?

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 05, 2021 07:24 PM (tkyK5)

65 Good evening gub threaders. That full auto 1911? I have heard of more than a couple of just plain worn out 1911's doing that on an Army pistol range.

Not select fire. Just boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom.

RSO's lose their shtuff when it happens.

Posted by: blaster at December 05, 2021 07:24 PM (mbFEM)

66 Right now I'm in a state where I have to have a FOID card just to buy ammo. Next Sunday I will reside in a constitutional carry state. This makes me happy.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 05, 2021 07:20 PM (kTF2Z)
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A couple of years ago I did some training with Illinois National Guardsmen and firearms laws came up.

Now Michigan is by no means a gun owners paradise, but holy crap we had it easy compared to them!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 05, 2021 07:24 PM (llXky)

67 Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 05, 2021 07:24 PM (tkyK5)
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Less great.

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 07:24 PM (0IeYL)

68 Hey Weasel, hey everybody else...
Yep, we did it. I married the love of my life...
Genuine Gun Thread romance and all... Quiet ceremony at a JP office in town. Then we changed and went chootin!
I brought a Webley air rifle, that had not been shot in years. It has some kind of cheapo peep sight, but it shot well enough. Then I tried a new to me Savage 187 semi auto 22 that came to me from an ette in Corsicana. Like my model 87, I call these "click clack" guns, or gill guns.
It shot bloody great!!
SiD continues improving her revolver shooting skills...I will let her give her report.
After THAT, we went out for a great steak dinner..
End of public reporting...

Posted by: jesse in dc at December 05, 2021 07:24 PM (kTRt4)

69 She is indeed a beautiful young woman. Even more so because she takes her safety into her own hands. I wish more women followed her example instead of resorting to the victim mindset.

Ladies, and gentlemen, no one is going to show up to save your ass. You better be ready to do it yourselves.
Posted by: nurse ratched at December 05, 2021 07:20 PM (U2p+3)
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This is wisdom from someone who has twice been accosted and comported herself well in dicey situations.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at December 05, 2021 07:25 PM (2SdPm)

70 I'm curious why there isn't a picture of Biden sniffing some girl on the "Deep Creep" can. It seems most appropriate.

Posted by: GWB at December 05, 2021 07:25 PM (Gcsm/)

71 Congrats to Jesse and SiD!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at December 05, 2021 07:26 PM (2SdPm)

72 50 Shooting in snow is great for reading wind.

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 07:19 PM

Or you could just be sitting in the cold shooting, like I am here.

https://tinyurl.com/2p9ehjsk

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 05, 2021 07:26 PM (mcfjc)

73 Went to the Crossroads of the West Phoenix Gun Show yesterday. I spotted a forlorn "parts revolver" in a display case for seventy-five bucks, and it followed me home. It is an FIE .22LR single-action Western-style six shooter. Frame is die-cast zinc, but barrel and cylinder are steel, and quite girthy.

Cylinder was sitting cockeyed in the frame, and the hammer would not advance it. Numrich has an exploded drawing on their site, so with that as a guide, I began taking it apart. Right away, some things became clear. The "axle" upon which the cylinder spins, called the "base pin" in the Numrich drawing, had been replaced by a nylon cleaning jag from a rifle cleaning kit. I kid you not. Furthermore, the center bore in the cylinder is 15/64", but the matching holes in the frame were smaller, at 7/32". (more to follow)

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 05, 2021 07:27 PM (P3gRi)

74 Bought a Glock 43X last month and have been taking it to the range the last few weeks. Nice grip length that fits my hands very well, and I shoot it better than any other 9mm that I own.


Was a bit concerned about magazine capacity it being only 10+1 rounds and my usual Sig P365 EDC gun has 12+1 capacity but then I found the Shield Arms 15 round magazines for the Glock 43X. Bought 6 of them on sale and the metal magazine release button and installed it. Magazines drop out with zero issues.


One FTF out of 60 rounds so far and that might have been me. Marked that magazine and will use the others for another 200 rounds or so to see what happens, but so far I am very pleased with the gun and the magazines. 15+1 rounds in a Glock platform that is easy to conceal and I shoot it better than any other 9mm pistol I own.

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at December 05, 2021 07:27 PM (bVYXr)

75 Happy gun thread all.

Posted by: Muad'dib at December 05, 2021 07:27 PM (5SzKU)

76 Congrats, Jesse and SID!

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at December 05, 2021 07:27 PM (Iw46i)

77 54 Ladies, and gentlemen, no one is going to show up to save your ass. You better be ready to do it yourselves.

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 05, 2021 07:20

Evening Nurse!!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 05, 2021 07:28 PM (mcfjc)

78 How is it for finding hot brass?

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 05, 2021 07:24 PM (tkyK5)
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Advantage: Revolvers.

I'm thinking of making a t-shirt to hawk on my tragically under-visited website.

On the top, a silhouette of a Glock. Below, that of a Colt Police Positive.

The captions: under the Glock "Reject Modernity."

Under the Colt: "Embrace Tradition."

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 05, 2021 07:28 PM (llXky)

79 Ladies, and gentlemen, no one is going to show up to save your ass. You better be ready to do it yourselves.

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 05, 2021 07:20

This is wisdom from someone who has twice been accosted and comported herself well in dicey situations.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at December 05, 2021 07:25 PM


I was kind of hoping that if I ever got in the deep sh*t, that nurse ratched would show up and save me!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 05, 2021 07:29 PM (tkyK5)

80 Recently got in on the 'after' part of a self inflicted GSW to the head with a .380. One wag asked '.380? Isn't that kinda small?' I said 'Shot placement is key.'

Posted by: Eromero at December 05, 2021 07:30 PM (0OP+5)

81 Happily, for my fingers and feet, the snow was very still today. Sadly, the old Rem 7400 .243 which used to be my tack-driver, has aged out to two MOA.
Still, 2 inches at a hundred yards is still smaller than a hog's head.

Posted by: RI Red - KfzQO at December 05, 2021 07:30 PM (R1/9P)

82 The captions: under the Glock "Reject Modernity."

Under the Colt: "Embrace Tradition."
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 05, 2021 07:28 PM (llXky)
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Meanwhile, I'll put a silhouette of a 1911 on a t-shirt with the slogan, "110 years and going strong!"

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at December 05, 2021 07:31 PM (2SdPm)

83 I had the absolute pleasure of meeting Jesse and SID at the TXMoMe and there are no finer people. May all your days be filled with happiness,

Posted by: Ben Had at December 05, 2021 07:31 PM (HOAaW)

84 15 So how does the Deep Creep smell, Weasel? I mean does it attract the ladies like Hoppe's?

Posted by: Eromero at December 05, 2021 07:06 PM (0OP+5)
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I'd use Hoppes as aftershave if I thought I could get away with it. Love that smell.

For most stuff, I use good old-fashioned Ballistol, which is a revolutionary dual-smell lubricant. If you catch it in your left nostril, it kind of smells like licorice, and if you catch it in your right nostril, it kind of smells like feet. Variety being the spice of life and all that.

Posted by: Pennsyltucky at December 05, 2021 07:31 PM (lNHqD)

85 New Yellowstone in a half hour!

Lloyd loses his cool, it says.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at December 05, 2021 07:32 PM (ufFY8)

86 I've decided that I don't want a holster. What I would like instead, is some sort of conceal carry bag, with a cross body strap, low profile, i.e. slim, would only carry a pistol and one extra mag.
Posted by: Honda at December 05, 2021 07:12 PM (R7LyT)

Just carry it around in a sack like Mattie Ross....

Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 05, 2021 07:32 PM (7bRMQ)

87 A timely thread. No range this week but this time...cleaning.

I must confess that I am not a religious gun cleaner. Kinda more like a Christmas and Easter cleaner. But it is a necessary thing, so I decided I should teach sra blaster how starting with her P365. It disassembles into 4 easy parts, but the takedown lever is quite stiff. Need a lot more finger or thumb strength than I think most owners of the P365 have available.

Broke out my Hoppes gun cleaning kit with, yes, #9 bore cleaner. Her pistol has about 3-400 rounds through it and this was the first time cleaning it. It wasn't too bad but it definitely left a lot of black residue on the cleaning towels.

Posted by: blaster at December 05, 2021 07:33 PM (mbFEM)

88 Posted by: Pennsyltucky at December 05, 2021 07:31 PM (lNHqD)
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+1 on Ballistol.

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 07:33 PM (0IeYL)

89 What is this "snow" you keep mentioning?

We were deer hunting on Thursday and the high that day reached 75F.

My nephew didn't see a single deer in his stand, because the deer were all hanging out at the sandy beach along our creek!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 05, 2021 07:33 PM (tkyK5)

90 Rather have a 45 than a 380

Posted by: Skip at December 05, 2021 07:33 PM (2JoB8)

91 What are we going to do next year for someone to explain jokes to us in all caps when Ben Roethlesbergergler retires?

Posted by: Hawkpilot at December 05, 2021 07:34 PM (Hn0tY)

92 Happily, for my fingers and feet, the snow was very still today. Sadly, the old Rem 7400 .243 which used to be my tack-driver, has aged out to two MOA.
Still, 2 inches at a hundred yards is still smaller than a hog's head.

Posted by: RI Red - KfzQO at December 05, 2021 07:30 PM


The .243 is a round that has a reputation for throat erosion.

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at December 05, 2021 07:34 PM (bVYXr)

93 Thank you, blake.


Range report,
Mark brought a couple pistols he hasn't shot in a while. One was a .22 break action (?) revolver and the other was a Sig, I think, with a red dot. The revolver was fun, but had some issues with the hammer not striking properly.

I took the time to appreciate my Ruger Mark IV even more.

Then did some shooting with my G42. Did much better than the last time I shot it. I think not having three cups of coffee before range time made a big difference.

Also did some raise and shoot drills with the PPQ. Doing pretty well with it. I feel pretty confident I could hit what I'm aiming at with this pistol.

Good day at the range. And best of all was seeing my friend Mark. A shooting buddy is worth his (or her) weight in gold.

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 05, 2021 07:34 PM (U2p+3)

94 I've decided that I don't want a holster. What I would like instead, is some sort of conceal carry bag, with a cross body strap, low profile, i.e. slim, would only carry a pistol and one extra mag.
Posted by: Honda at December 05, 2021 07:12 PM (R7LyT)
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So long as you wear Crocs, no one will think you're a threat.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 05, 2021 07:35 PM (llXky)

95 Congratulations, Jesse and SID !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (03BbD) at December 05, 2021 07:35 PM (03BbD)

96 The .243 is a round that has a reputation for throat erosion.
Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at December 05, 2021 07:34 PM (bVYXr)
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It also depends on the loads.

3,000 FPS seems to the point at which barrel wear really rears its ugly head.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at December 05, 2021 07:35 PM (2SdPm)

97 Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 07:17 PM (0IeYL)
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Not too much Weasel. Been learning first hand that loose parts on an AR are bad for accuracy.

Posted by: Thicc Boi at December 05, 2021 07:36 PM (zThcc)

98 I wanna live where they have THAT kind of grocery store!

Posted by: GWB at December 05, 2021 07:36 PM (Gcsm/)

99 Weasel, what do you think about resizing with .308W dies and shooting the loads in a 7.62x.51 rifle bore?

Called away for while. Check back.

Posted by: Javems at December 05, 2021 07:36 PM (S7vMe)

100 91 What are we going to do next year for someone to explain jokes to us in all caps when Ben Roethlesbergergler retires?
Posted by: Hawkpilot at December 05, 2021 07:34 PM (Hn0tY)

He can esplain til he be de'yad!

Posted by: rhennigantx at December 05, 2021 07:36 PM (yrol0)

101 Posted by: Thicc Boi at December 05, 2021 07:36 PM (zThcc)
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Yep!

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 07:36 PM (0IeYL)

102 Darn, the only thread I really care about and I barely made the top 100, But I did get in a range report, and I am still very pleased with my AR, which is soon to be tricked out with a red dot sight, thus another zeroing session is in order.
I agree with Weasel completely, any zeroing should be done with a solid bench rest and a comfortable shooting position; however, I was not able to achieve either of those at the range I used. Nonetheless, the eventual shot groups I achieved were completely acceptable (for me at least).
Next time, I will endeavor to establish an optimal zeroing position! And many thanks to blaster for his able assistance in the AR zeroing procedure!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at December 05, 2021 07:37 PM (hOUT3)

103 Good day at the range. And best of all was seeing my friend Mark. A shooting buddy is worth his (or her) weight in gold.
Posted by: nurse ratched at December 05, 2021 07:34 PM (U2p+3)
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Nurse, do you also practice shooting one handed? Both strong and weak hand? If not, I recommend it.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at December 05, 2021 07:37 PM (2SdPm)

104 >> 61 I see she equips herself is doing things properly: >> Shoulders back!

I somehow missed her shoulders.

Posted by: 40 Miles North at December 05, 2021 07:37 PM (uWF4x)

105 Not too much Weasel. Been learning first hand that loose parts on an AR are bad for accuracy.

Posted by: Thicc Boi at December 05, 2021 07:36 PM


Even Ace knows that loose sh*t is bad!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 05, 2021 07:37 PM (tkyK5)

106 The .243 is a round that has a reputation for throat erosion.
Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at December 05, 2021 07:34 PM (bVYXr)

I know about throat erosion.

Posted by: kamalah at December 05, 2021 07:37 PM (yrol0)

107 Is that bullet-by-the-pound thing real?

If so I think I'm looking for real estate.

Posted by: JEM at December 05, 2021 07:37 PM (8erNz)

108 Ben Had, I missed meeting you last year, due to circumstances out of my control. I would not have missed out doing it this year unless I was dead.
You bring a great deal of joy to so many folks... To SiD and myself, you are a national treasure!!

Posted by: jesse in dc at December 05, 2021 07:38 PM (kTRt4)

109 Didja know primers are $100 a thousand?

Posted by: McGyver at December 05, 2021 07:08 PM (Iw46i)

You can find primers?!?!?!

Posted by: GWB at December 05, 2021 07:38 PM (Gcsm/)

110 31 I've decided that I don't want a holster. What I would like instead, is some sort of conceal carry bag, with a cross body strap.

Posted by: Honda
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There are a lot of off-body carry options, but off-body carry has its caveats. First, it's always going to be slower, every time. That second or so might be the difference. Second, you have to be 100% vigilant about the bag. No going into a restaurant and hanging your bag on the chair, none of that. It has to stay on you 100% of the time, because the most common petty theft crime is bag snatching. Third, the strap is always an issue. A regular strap can be easily cut and a thief runs away with your bag (and gun) before you know what hit you. Again, very common. But, if you go with one of the "steel reinforced" straps, it can't be cut - but you've gone ahead and wrapped a convenient steel cable around your neck for a bad guy to utilize. On-body carry is always better when possible. CCW is a lifestyle choice, and sometimes you have to compromise what you like for what works better.

Posted by: Pennsyltucky at December 05, 2021 07:38 PM (lNHqD)

111 86 or a string like Tuco

Posted by: Skip at December 05, 2021 07:38 PM (2JoB8)

112 102 Darn, the only thread I really care about and I barely made the top 100,

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at December 05, 2021 07:37 PM (hOUT3)
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Uh, umm....sorry about that.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 05, 2021 07:38 PM (llXky)

113 Evenin', Horde! Post-wedding range report: Yet again, we had the indoor range to ourselves on a Friday. I shot the same 2 S&W revolvers that I've been enjoying so much lately, a .22 and a .38 Special. I shoot the .38 better than anything else so far. I've become a big fan of revolvers now that I am more comfortable with them. No brass in the brassiere! One of my goals is to practice shooting the .22 double action more often.

Jesse kicked ass with a new-to-him .22 rifle!

Soon I think it will be time to pick up the P365 again and see if I still can't hit anything.

Many thanks to Weasel and all the Horde for your support of Jesse and me as we start our journey together. Y'all is family. We hope to see everybody at the CO Morondezvous and maybe some of you can scoot up the road a bit to Wyoming afterwards, if it's not blizzarding.

Posted by: screaming in digital at December 05, 2021 07:38 PM (kTRt4)

114 I can only echo AH Lloyd's praise for the 32 magnum and revolvers for it. Since my interest with it is targets not SD, I prefer a longer barrel piece. The gold standard for targets in 32 long is probably the S and W 32 Masterpiece (I have the 22lr and 38 special versions. They are beyond superb.) Unfortunately, the 32 long version was made from unobtainium.

32 caliber long and magnum ammo may not be thick upon the ground but it can be found. When components become available, it is also inexpensive and easy to handload.

Posted by: JTB at December 05, 2021 07:39 PM (7EjX1)

115 40 miles north - and as said way up top
Her wedding ring

Posted by: Skip at December 05, 2021 07:39 PM (2JoB8)

116 holy shit, seahawks actually won a game.

Posted by: chango butt at December 05, 2021 07:39 PM (oSX/P)

117 102 Darn, the only thread I really care about and I barely made the top 100

I care about a lot of the weekend threads, and read most of the content pretty thoroughly, and VASTLY appreciate the effort that goes into them, but other crap gets in the way of commenting on them.

Posted by: JEM at December 05, 2021 07:39 PM (8erNz)

118 Even Ace knows that loose sh*t is bad!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 05, 2021 07:37 PM (tkyK5)
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That's why his shelves are rock solid.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 05, 2021 07:39 PM (llXky)

119 Hey Pillage Idiot and Scoobs!

And weasel. Thank you for the thread. A Sunday afternoon/evening highlight.

*smooches!*

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 05, 2021 07:40 PM (U2p+3)

120 Thanks for the reminder, Nurse. Thanks again for another gun thread, weasel.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at December 05, 2021 07:40 PM (2SdPm)

121 116 holy shit, seahawks actually won a game.
Posted by: chango butt


Oooof. Sloppy af. But we will take it!

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 05, 2021 07:41 PM (U2p+3)

122 A revolver? Yeah, a lot of old timers carry those.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 05, 2021 07:41 PM (kTF2Z)

123 Tuco only had it on a string when he was prepping to fight, otherwise he had it tucked in his waistband.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 05, 2021 07:41 PM (ZMraq)

124 holy shit, seahawks actually won a game.
Posted by: chango butt at December 05, 2021 07:39 PM (oSX/P)

so did Detroit. Stupid Vikings.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Crossing state lines like a Boss at December 05, 2021 07:41 PM (x8Wzq)

125 A revolver? Yeah, a lot of old timers carry those.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 05, 2021 07:41 PM (kTF2Z)
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Who you calling old timer?

*looks in mirror"

Never mind.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at December 05, 2021 07:42 PM (2SdPm)

126 My 6Creedmoor is finished and looking good. I have 6.5 brass arriving in the morning so I'll neck it down to 6 and start developing a load for the new rifle. Snowbird opened up Wednesday so I'm skiing M-F so next Sat. I'll doing my load testing. It's pretty cool. I haven't done a new caliber in a while. Thanks for the Gub thread Weasel.

Posted by: ck at December 05, 2021 07:42 PM (iBg56)

127 102 Darn, the only thread I really care about and I barely made the top 100

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at December 05, 2021 07:37 PM


Yes, but you make up for it with quality!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 05, 2021 07:42 PM (tkyK5)

128 Is that bullet-by-the-pound thing real?

If so I think I'm looking for real estate.


Yes. It is at Alpine Shooting Range in Kennedale Texas. That is the range logo on each of those dispensers.

Apparently some dude whipped this up in his metal shop and put it in there.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at December 05, 2021 07:42 PM (qg3qm)

129 118 Even Ace knows that loose sh*t is bad!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 05, 2021 07:37 PM (tkyK5)
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That's why his shelves are rock solid.


If I said 'heh' I'd probably owe a license fee to instapundit.

Posted by: JEM at December 05, 2021 07:42 PM (8erNz)

130 Holy shitballs!

(no particular reason, just like saying it)

Posted by: rhomboid at December 05, 2021 07:42 PM (OTzUX)

131 A little more .32 info. Colt revolvers can be found in two flavors, .32 Colt and .32 Colt New Police. .32 New Police is simply .32 SW, originally with a flattened bullet point. .32 Colt is different, and not interchangeable with .32SW. Also, if you can find a Colt Pocket Positive in .32 NP, you'll be glad you did.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 05, 2021 07:42 PM (C1Lsn)

132 Posted by: ck at December 05, 2021 07:42 PM (iBg56)
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You bet!

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 07:43 PM (0IeYL)

133 Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at December 05, 2021 07:27 PM (bVYXr)
I got 3 of the Shield Arms 15 round mags for my G48 but have not been to the range yet. I'm very pleased to hear your report! Did you change out your mag release too?

Posted by: Eromero at December 05, 2021 07:43 PM (0OP+5)

134 Speaking of PSA - they are doing their 15 days of Christmas sale. If you want to own an AR15 there is no cheaper way to get into it, and they are not bad guns at all. Throughout this sale they have a complete lower for $125.99 and complete upper (M4 carbine length) for $279.99. WITH FREE SHIPPING. That's $406 plus tax. You will need some mags, a rear sight, and a sling, add in your FFL fee and you have a full kit for under $500.

I see those lowers at $125 and I am trying not to just buy a whole crate of them.

Posted by: blaster at December 05, 2021 07:43 PM (mbFEM)

135 Anyone in the Wyoming - northern Colorado area: there is a gun show this weekend in Laramie! Jesse and I will be there if anyone can join us. Email me for info.

Posted by: screaming in digital at December 05, 2021 07:43 PM (kTRt4)

136 Posted by: Honda at December 05, 2021 07:12 PM (R7LyT)

You're not wanting to use it for other things? That would seem to make the carry somewhat obvious.

But I've seen around some over-one-shoulder bags with velcro in them for attaching a holster (or other velcro-y stuff). I got one with 300 rounds of 5.56 or something a year and a half ago as a package deal. (That bag is my Get Home bag in the car now, with a trauma kit, multi-tool, flashlight, ponchos, emergency blanket, etc., in it.)

Even with the bag, though, you're going to want a holster. You don't want your carry weapon just flopping around inside there, where you have no idea exactly where it's pointed, where the trigger is when you reach for it, and son.

Posted by: GWB at December 05, 2021 07:43 PM (Gcsm/)

137 130 Holy shitballs!

(no particular reason, just like saying it)
Posted by: rhomboid


Seven iron, 120 yards is decent.

Posted by: JEM at December 05, 2021 07:44 PM (8erNz)

138 96 The .243 is a round that has a reputation for throat erosion.
Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at December 05, 2021 07:34 PM (bVYXr)
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It also depends on the loads.

3,000 FPS seems to the point at which barrel wear really rears its ugly head.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at December 05, 2021 07:35 PM (2SdPm)

Yup, I've put a lot of rounds downrange with this rifle, and it was my first reloading development for precision rifle project. Not bad for a semi-auto, and I learned a lot.

Posted by: RI Red - KfzQO at December 05, 2021 07:44 PM (R1/9P)

139 130 Holy shitballs!

(no particular reason, just like saying it)
Posted by: rhomboid at December 05, 2021 07:42 PM (OTzUX)
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A most versatile exclamation, don't you think?

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 07:44 PM (0IeYL)

140 Pennsyltucky,

That was a lot of excellent info.

My wife would like to purse carry when she gets more comfortable with her pistol.

However, she IS NOT a deliberate person. I worry about exactly the issues you addressed.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 05, 2021 07:44 PM (tkyK5)

141 21 Howdy, Horde! My new hobby is really expensive! Didja know primers are $100 a thousand? And the myriad pieces and parts to go with? Whooo buddy!

Anyone else experiencing dollar shock?

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at December 05, 2021 07:08 PM (Iw46i)


When I've seen primers actually available in the past year or so, they've been $70 - $100 per 1000. I'm not buying at those prices.
I don't know if they will ever come down to something mode reasonable, but I'm willing to wait.

Posted by: I Am Omni Chron at December 05, 2021 07:44 PM (F6Xpw)

142 Posted by: GWB at December 05, 2021 07:38 PM

Ammo-Seek is your friend

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at December 05, 2021 07:44 PM (Iw46i)

143 116 holy shit, seahawks actually won a game.

Posted by: chango butt


don't get me started

Posted by: muttering vikings fan at December 05, 2021 07:45 PM (0hbQ6)

144 My range report this week is real-world application. I got a nice fat doe on Tuesday evening (and had delicious pan-fried deer heart for lunch on Wednesday). I was really happy to get this deer because of the rifle I used. It's a Model 70 Winchester in .30-06. I have other Model 70s, a .270 and a 7mm Mauser, but this one is both old and new to me. It was my grandfather's rifle, he won it in a raffle in the late 50's/early 60's. He used it a few years and gave it to my Dad, who used it until a few years ago (he now prefers to use the same 7.65 Mauser he used when he was a kid), and he gave it to me. I haven't hunted regular rifle season in a few years, as I usually save my tags for muzzleloader season, but I wanted to get one with this rifle. Three generations of my family have now put venison on the table with it. So maybe it's just a doe, but it's one of the more memorable deer I've ever gotten.

Posted by: Pennsyltucky at December 05, 2021 07:45 PM (lNHqD)

145 I need the special Arik Borwin "gun becomes animate and fires itself" attachment for my peacemaker...

Posted by: sven at December 05, 2021 07:45 PM (Lzpvj)

146 Minkey rental

Posted by: Pete Bog at December 05, 2021 07:13 PM (bzrNB)

You can rent minkeys? Will they gather the money while you play your accordion?

(Who can name that movie - or character, at least?)

Posted by: GWB at December 05, 2021 07:46 PM (Gcsm/)

147 Weasel,

Thanks for mentioning Sea Foam Deep Creep. It certainly gets rave reviews on Amazon. For the price (low) it would be worth trying. Anything to keep rust off the guns.

Also, I have some old woodworking hand tools that I want to restore and protect. Sounds like it would be appropriate for them as well.

Posted by: JTB at December 05, 2021 07:46 PM (7EjX1)

148 RI Red, you are touching the master.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 05, 2021 07:46 PM (HOAaW)

149 Nurse, do you also practice shooting one handed? Both strong and weak hand? If not, I recommend it.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker


I do! It's weird. I'm left handed, but shoot righty. So, shooting with either hand is really comfortable.

I will hit center mass with either hand and both eyes open.

I'd like to do more move and shoot, but IDPA is intimidating. I get so damn competitive, I'd not be able to relax and learn.

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 05, 2021 07:46 PM (U2p+3)

150 I wanted to get one with this rifle. Three generations of my family have now put venison on the table with it. So maybe it's just a doe, but it's one of the more memorable deer I've ever gotten.
Posted by: Pennsyltucky at December 05, 2021 07:45 PM (lNHqD)
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Very cool, great story.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at December 05, 2021 07:46 PM (2SdPm)

151 Hmmm, checked primers on ammoseek and it looks that while availability has increased (Step 1), price erosion (Step 2) is, well, downwardly-sticky, as an economist might say.

So primers looking to still be 3-5 times "normal" (pre-March 2020) prices, which were around $30/1K, + or -.

Didn't even check powder.

I know that component availability and pricing are much better in brick/mortar world in many places across the country. I can only check online world.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 05, 2021 07:47 PM (OTzUX)

152 Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at December 05, 2021 07:27 PM (bVYXr)
I got 3 of the Shield Arms 15 round mags for my G48 but have not been to the range yet. I'm very pleased to hear your report! Did you change out your mag release too?

Posted by: Eromero at December 05, 2021 07:43 PM


Yes I did. The plastic magazine release that comes with the Glock will work but it is squishy with the shield arms mags and from what I have read will wear out quickly using the metal magazines.

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at December 05, 2021 07:47 PM (bVYXr)

153 (continuing) So it was clear to me that the cylinder was not the original one to this pistol, although it seems to fit fine in other respects. So, I used my 15/64" drill bit, and turning it with a screwdriver, enlarged the base pin holes in the zinc frame. Not very hard to do, as zinc is soft. Then I used the drill bit as the base pin. Cylinder rotates freely, the front is nice and close to the forcing cone of the barrel, and it advances properly as the hammer is brought to full cock. Bringing the hammer to half-cock lines a chamber up to the extractor pin.

Now, my remaining problem was that the cylinder did not lock up properly. The little catch that is supposed to engage the slots near the rear of the cylinder was there all right, but not engaging. This part is called the "bolt" on the Numrich drawing. The grip and trigger guard casting comes off the frame upon removing 5 screws, so I took it off. With that off, one screw removes the forked leaf spring that acts on both the bolt and the trigger, and one further screw is the pivot pin for both bolt and trigger, so I removed them. The "bolt" is a little doodad made of folded-over spring steel, (continued)

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 05, 2021 07:47 PM (P3gRi)

154 Yes, but you make up for it with quality!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 05, 2021 07:42 PM (tkyK5)


Ah, it is so good to see a fellow gentleman and scholar posting here on the gun canoe thread!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at December 05, 2021 07:47 PM (hOUT3)

155 Congratulations Jesse (not) in DC and Screaming in Digital!!!

I guess I should read the rest of the content now...?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at December 05, 2021 07:48 PM (llON8)

156 Posted by: Pennsyltucky


That's really cool.

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 05, 2021 07:48 PM (U2p+3)

157 Minkey rental

Posted by: Pete Bog at December 05, 2021 07:13 PM (bzrNB)

You can rent minkeys? Will they gather the money while you play your accordion?

(Who can name that movie - or character, at least?)

Posted by: GWB at December 05, 2021 07:46 PM


Inspector Clouseau.

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at December 05, 2021 07:48 PM (bVYXr)

158 Weasel, what do you think about resizing with .308W dies and shooting the loads in a 7.62x.51 rifle bore?

Compare the dimensions and decide for yourself. Personally, I would do what you suggest without worry but I could be convinced otherwise if someone wants to make a case.

http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=146769

Posted by: Oddbob at December 05, 2021 07:49 PM (nfrXX)

159 I guess I should read the rest of the content now...?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at December 05, 2021 07:48 PM (llON
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Radical! Nobody does that!

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 07:49 PM (0IeYL)

160 Hi nurse!

Glad to see you are still generating great range reports.

My son is stuck working on finals, but I am heading back out to the "deer hunting" range with my nephews again this week!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 05, 2021 07:49 PM (tkyK5)

161 144 Posted by: Pennsyltucky at December 05, 2021 07:45 PM (lNHqD)

Nice story Pennsyltucky!! Great to hear the tradition continue.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 05, 2021 07:49 PM (mcfjc)

162 nurse, we will do some move/shoot in the spring. It is a bigge with me.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 05, 2021 07:50 PM (HOAaW)

163 Scuba_Dude I willowed myself last thread; was just saying you probably want to avoid buying a new truck and instead get something used. TX seems to have a good supply but they do go fast.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at December 05, 2021 07:50 PM (llON8)

164 Great thread, Weasel!

Love the range reports, and glad that Hrothgar is enjoying his new AR!

Posted by: Ladyl at December 05, 2021 07:50 PM (TdMsT)

165 I've decided that I don't want a holster. What I would like instead, is some sort of conceal carry bag, with a cross body strap.

Posted by: Honda

**

Drive by, might be my only post. Search Amazon for

Nicgid Sling Bag Chest Shoulder Backpack Fanny Pack Crossbody Bags for Men

I've got the black one, fourth from the left. Looks like it's the same as the green one that is first on the left. I've had it for a year or so now and use it when it's the only decent option, which it occasionally is. Fits my P365XL daily carry pistol with the 15 round magazine fine, and can handle medium frame pistols, too.

Also good place to make sure you've got a spare pipe, tobacco, and lighter, so win-win.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - FDA requests 2076 as release date for safety approval data on vax at December 05, 2021 07:50 PM (Kt1w/)

166
I'd like to do more move and shoot, but IDPA is intimidating. I get so damn competitive, I'd not be able to relax and learn.
Posted by: nurse ratched at December 05, 2021 07:46 PM (U2p+3)
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Go ahead and shoot IDPA and, darn it, take advantage of "girl shoots IDPA." Guys will fall over themselves, working to help you out.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at December 05, 2021 07:50 PM (2SdPm)

167 I know that component availability and pricing are much better in brick/mortar world in many places across the country. I can only check online world.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 05, 2021 07:47 PM (OTzUX)
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I think that a lot of online outfits had to buy whatever they could get, while brick and mortar stores had other product they could move (accessories) to stay in business.

As a result, the online vendors are captive to the higher prices they paid while brick and mortar can let prices drift down because they are also selling firearms at a high rate.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 05, 2021 07:51 PM (llXky)

168 "...totally uncontrollable...silly...
This is my favorite machine gun."

Posted by: t-bird at December 05, 2021 07:51 PM (CTJwJ)

169 Posted by: Ladyl at December 05, 2021 07:50 PM (TdMsT)

Howdy {{{Ladyl}}} - hope you're feeling better!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at December 05, 2021 07:51 PM (Agr8U)

170 the story gets curiouser and curiouser.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 05, 2021 07:19 PM (FVME7)

I thought there was something funny with the account Twitchy tagged as one of the original pushing it. "Raws Alerts" or something, which didn't sound like the tweeter spoke English as their first (or second) language.

Innnnnteresting.

Posted by: GWB at December 05, 2021 07:51 PM (Gcsm/)

171 Oh, and nurse, excellent with the strong hand/weak hand practice.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at December 05, 2021 07:51 PM (2SdPm)

172 Dang, Weasel, Ramon Allones by AJF. Nice. Missed my planned burn with a buddy today (via FaceTime). Still working my way through more than a dozen different brands and types, Oliva and several others. Already pretty clear that I'm much more a maduro, cameroon, and up guy than a mild Connecticut guy.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 05, 2021 07:51 PM (OTzUX)

173 {{{Ben Had}}} Absolutely!!! However, me and the Missus have to get through middle son proposing to gf next Saturday, and oldest son's wedding in SC mid-January, but we will connect up.

@NurseR daughter moving to Capitol Hill area. My "Dad not jazzed"-o-meter is pegged big time. She's getting a boatload of pepper spray for Christmas this year and nothing else.

Super shout out to all the TxMoMe-dians!

Oh, also for the concealed carry pack q, I am totally a dude. Also thank you bonhomme!

Posted by: Honda at December 05, 2021 07:51 PM (R7LyT)

174 Addendum: You still want that pistol in a holster covering the trigger in the carry bag. Even if it's a relatively inexpensive one, that is still a necessity.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - FDA requests 2076 as release date for safety approval data on vax at December 05, 2021 07:52 PM (Kt1w/)

175 Ben Had, I'm not sure what master I'm touching, but I swear I didn't!

Posted by: RI Red - KfzQO at December 05, 2021 07:52 PM (R1/9P)

176 122 A revolver? Yeah, a lot of old timers carry those.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 05, 2021 07:41 PM
Yep sonny. Got one on my h right now. Been there since before Sunday School this morning, .357 Ruger LCR.

Posted by: Eromero at December 05, 2021 07:52 PM (0OP+5)

177 Primers at $100?, I've bought so many now between $60 and $100 that it hardly hurts anymore. LOL

Posted by: ck at December 05, 2021 07:53 PM (iBg56)

178 144 My range report this week is real-world application. I got a nice fat doe on Tuesday evening

Posted by: Pennsyltucky at December 05, 2021 07:45 PM


Congrats!

I had four does walking directly under my stand on opening day. If you harvest a deer with a sharp stick, do you have to use one of your deer tags?

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 05, 2021 07:53 PM (tkyK5)

179 AH Lloyd, could be. A long time since I checked at PowderValley and a few other places, that sometimes have informed commentary on their websites regarding industry conditions, supply chain, etc.

Fortunately I'm entirely a spectator for now, thanks to stockpiling after 2013.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 05, 2021 07:53 PM (OTzUX)

180 91 What are we going to do next year for someone to explain jokes to us in all caps when Ben Roethlesbergergler retires?

Posted by: Hawkpilot at December 05, 2021 07:34 PM (Hn0tY)


DON'T WORRY, I'LL HAVE MORE TIME TO SPEND HERE, HELPING OUT, AFTER I RETIRE.

Posted by: BEN ROTHLESBERGERER at December 05, 2021 07:54 PM (F6Xpw)

181 163 Posted by: Helena Handbasket at December 05, 2021 07:50 PM

Thanks for the advice HH. Still have minimum of 6 years before I do make the move. And being it will be me retiring I might not think about the price. Heck, I might change my mind and go for the Corvette or Ferrari I always coveted. ;-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 05, 2021 07:54 PM (mcfjc)

182 {{{Ladyl}}}
That "blemished" AR is one of the better best investments I have ever made!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at December 05, 2021 07:54 PM (hOUT3)

183 RI Red, you are so close to the grasshopper. I have reports.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 05, 2021 07:55 PM (HOAaW)

184 Posted by: Ladyl at December 05, 2021 07:50 PM (TdMsT)
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Thanks Ladyl!

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 07:55 PM (0IeYL)

185 "Who can name that movie?"

Heidi

Posted by: f'd at December 05, 2021 07:55 PM (Tnijr)

186 Hrothgar,
My two cents: I agree w/ Weasel. Zero the rifle off a rest first for the irons, then w/ any optic you wish to use. Standing adds too many variables to the equation. The Colt 6920 SOCOM on last week's thread produced overlapping holes w/ five shot groups at 20 yards from a rest (packed GI duffel bag). Firing from a standing position really spread out the shot groups. I think you need to make sure your rifle is dead on first before throwing complications from human factors into the mix.

Posted by: Ed L at December 05, 2021 07:55 PM (NacE+)

187 Congrats, Jesse and SiD!

Weasel, always looking for the Holy Grail of rust inhibitor. I've used Sea Foam on small engines for years. Time to try Deep Creep on the '03 and SMLE, which leave the gun cabinet about once a decade.

Also, Aim Surplus has a pretty good price on Winchester White Box .45 ACP.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at December 05, 2021 07:56 PM (CmPBR)

188 Posted by: nurse ratched at December 05, 2021 07:20 PM (U2p+3)

Now, Nurse, I'm the sort of gentleman who will always try to "show up" to save your ass. Chivalry and all that stuff.

But, there sure is something extra sexy about a woman who I can team with - we can watch each other's six, provide back-up weaponry and ammo, etc.

Based on the 'ettes I met up in NoVa, this has to be the sexiest group of women I know of.

Posted by: GWB at December 05, 2021 07:56 PM (Gcsm/)

189 Ah, it is so good to see a fellow gentleman and scholar posting here on the gun canoe thread!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at December 05, 2021 07:47 PM


I recently had so many guns in my canoe, that my canoe sank!

It was a double tragedy.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 05, 2021 07:56 PM (tkyK5)

190 I need the special Arik Borwin "gun becomes animate and fires itself" attachment for my peacemaker...

He needs to read the instructions for that animated firearm - he is supposed to suck start it before using it as a prop.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at December 05, 2021 07:56 PM (qg3qm)

191 Posted by: rhomboid at December 05, 2021 07:51 PM (OTzUX)
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It's a long journey - enjoy it!

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 07:56 PM (0IeYL)

192 I have several Colt and other 32 S&W Long revolvers and as it is said, you can use 32 S&W for pipsqueak loads if you can find it.

A 32 H&R Magnum is a decent modern self defense compromise and as said, you can load the older 32 shorts and 32 longs. Be careful though on buying 32 S&W Long wadcutters if you want light loads. Those, especially the Euro made ones, are designed for extremely accurate semi-auto target pistols that run for a bunch of bucks. And those are not like the powder puff 38 Special wadcutters but are fully at the max pressure for 32 Long. Decent self defense loads btw and you can buy Buffalo Bore hardcast flat points or wadcutters that are specifically designed to be fired in solid frame 32 SW Long revolvers made by Colt, S&W or modern ones like the 32 H&R or 327 Magnum, etc.--do not try to fire them in old break open actions as the pressure.

There is also the older cowboy cartridge, the 32-20 which is about the same as the 32 HR in effect. You can find those in S&W K Frames (first cartridge for the Hand Ejector actually) or Colts.

Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 07:57 PM (9hXN1)

193
I'd like to do more move and shoot, but IDPA is intimidating. I get so damn competitive, I'd not be able to relax and learn.

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 05, 2021 07:46 PM


mayhaps try USPSA? as I understand it, USPSA has different rules than IDPA (I've never done IDPA, so I have no first hand knowledge)

it's all move and shoot and tactical re-loads ('specially with the 1911...biggest mental hurdle I had was dropping a mag with two, three, four rounds left so that you're "topped off" for the next batch of targets in the stage)

Posted by: AltonJackson at December 05, 2021 07:57 PM (DUIap)

194 having a gun training system tied to your phone is a bad thing to do in every way.

is it a useful training aid, yes.

is it a bright shining light for the tech overlords to know who you are, where you are, what you have, when you use it and how, yes.

and, it has great user privacy, until they are sold to zuckrberg.

Posted by: confederatefifth at December 05, 2021 07:58 PM (K3ZCc)

195 My evangelism on reloading hasn't stopped due to the component scarcity. As before, I counsel people who think they might reload in the future to 1) save their brass, starting yesterday 2) buy a few reloading manuals, and read 'em 3) set up vigilant overwatch on local gun forums, bulletin boards at ranges, etc., for private sales of reloading equipment and components (the latter, these days, obviously not as inexpensive, and they're snapped up instantly) 4) accumulate whatever they can, no rush.

This is for shooters at the range where I am an RO. Many newbies are aware of it, and curious.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 05, 2021 07:58 PM (OTzUX)

196 Thanks again, Weasel!

Night Horde, dinner beckons.

Make sure you play nice with Weasel.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 05, 2021 07:59 PM (tkyK5)

197 144
Three generations of my family have now put venison on the table with it. So maybe it's just a doe, but it's one of the more memorable deer I've ever gotten.

Posted by: Pennsyltucky at December 05, 2021 07:45 PM (lNHqD)


Outstanding!

Posted by: I Am Omni Chron at December 05, 2021 07:59 PM (F6Xpw)

198 LOL, MSN headline, GOP Congressman's gun toting family Christmas Photo sparks outrage.

He could be petting a PUPPY and they would still find something to be mad about.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 05, 2021 07:59 PM (oHd/0)

199 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 05, 2021 07:28 PM (llXky)

Put it on a long sleeve and it would be a great outdoor range shirt!

Posted by: GWB at December 05, 2021 07:59 PM (Gcsm/)

200 Posted by: Pennsyltucky at December 05, 2021 07:45 PM (lNHqD)
Mrs. E shot a 300 pound hog Thursday morning in Cherokee County, texted me and I said don't follow him, he is not important. It was foggy and whatever. 10 minutes later she had a 7 point and 4 does right under her stand. None legal. When she got down she blood and bone frags form the hog. I told her 'worms gotta heat same as buzzards' or whatever Jose Wales said.

Posted by: Eromero at December 05, 2021 08:00 PM (0OP+5)

201 Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 05, 2021 07:59 PM (tkyK5)
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Goodnight, brother!

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 08:00 PM (0IeYL)

202 >>> 35 Willpower but important.

Great, my expenses keep mounting:

Minkey rental
Grease
Strippers

Splunge is hosting the AZ MoMe!

Is this real or are you just volunteering him?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at December 05, 2021 08:00 PM (llON8)

203 it's all move and shoot and tactical re-loads ('specially with the 1911...biggest mental hurdle I had was dropping a mag with two, three, four rounds left so that you're "topped off" for the next batch of targets in the stage)
Posted by: AltonJackson at December 05, 2021 07:57 PM (DUIap)
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USPSA is run n gun, whereas IDPA is shoot, cover, scoot, shoot some more.

USPSA is a lot more wide open than IDPA, as are the guns that are allowed.

Drawing from concealment is usually a requirement with IDPA. Not so much with USPSA.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at December 05, 2021 08:00 PM (2SdPm)

204 For alternative to purse carry, Sneaky Pete makes belt type carriers for small pistolas that look like cell phone or small data tablet carriers. Believe one such was marked for first aid etc.

Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 08:00 PM (9hXN1)

205 Over the past few months I've acquired a few blem pieces for builds. For the life of me, I can't find the issue that caused these pieces to be rejected as 'firsts'.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 05, 2021 08:01 PM (mD/uy)

206 Howdy Weasel! Thanks for bringing this high quality content week in and week out.

Posted by: Doof at December 05, 2021 08:01 PM (mZUr4)

207 ...made of folded-over spring steel, and the part that is supposed to engage the slots on the cylinder was just too broad to fit into them. A little careful squeezing with pliers made it fit just right. With the gun reassembled, the cylinder now rotates as the hammer is drawn back, and locks up once a cartridge is under the hammer. I pried the bullet out of a .22LR cartridge, dumped the powder, and pulled the trigger on an empty case. The primer popped nicely. I'm pretty sure if I loaded it up with live rounds, it would shoot OK.

Next step is make make a proper base pin and retainer for same, and to make a set of grips. Then I should be able to terrorize empty beer cans with the best of them.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 05, 2021 08:01 PM (P3gRi)

208 >>> 51 Semi gun self-defense related. You know those horrible right wing extremists dressed in uniform khaki and carrying shields who marched in D.C. and then were mysteriously whisked away in U Haul trucks? Yeah, well, the story gets curiouser and curiouser.

https://bit.ly/3EtmIss
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 05, 2021 07:19 PM (FVME7)

I note the twatter says the marchers are carrying riot shields. In another totally unrelated vid, it was claimed that one must provide law enforcement ID to buy a real riot shield.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at December 05, 2021 08:01 PM (llON8)

209 Throws out WD40 and Liquid Wrench and buys a case of Deep Creep.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 05, 2021 08:02 PM (HOAaW)

210 Posted by: Doof at December 05, 2021 08:01 PM (mZUr4)
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Happy to do it, Doof! Thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 08:02 PM (0IeYL)

211 Some of you folks might know I have been a professional mechanic for over 40 years. (Note: Mechanic not "technician" I fix things, not just change parts...) I mostly fixed British cars, and for the last 25 years, mostly Jaguars, from XK120s through E types, XJSs ( Love me some V12s) up through X308s.
Kroil, Aero Kroil, Silikroil, they have saved my ass more times than I can count. I bought that stuff by the case...
Deep Creep has a very tough uphill climb to replace Kroil in my tool arsenal.

Posted by: jesse in dc at December 05, 2021 08:02 PM (kTRt4)

212 Oh, another thing that happened this week - maintenance. Since we were cleaning, the laser on my EDC PF9 was weak so I changed the battery and now it is a BRIGHT red dot. I had purchased a pack of 4 batteries for 6 bucks or something on AMZN a while back and finally got a round tuit. While looking up how to change the battery it seems that Crimson Trace will give you new batteries for free for life. You have to sign up on their website, but, yeah, that's it. Free.

Along with maintenance, I note that your range bag needs to have some amount of tools in it. Like a set of hex wrenches. Needlenose pliers are useful. And some screwdrivers.

Posted by: blaster at December 05, 2021 08:03 PM (mbFEM)

213 Fine work, AOP !

let us know how it shoots !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (03BbD) at December 05, 2021 08:03 PM (03BbD)

214 USPSA and IDPA matches I have issues with, but it's academic since the closest ones are a long ass-haul away. The hybrid-ish action handgun matches that are much closer have become less interesting (lower round count, no Rube Goldberg interactive moving targets, etc).

Always practice weak hand-only - and strong-hand only - with handguns. Not nearly enough, as my shooting with both leaves much to be desired. But as always I'm interested in minute-of-steel plate @ 10-15 yds, not bullseye stuff.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 05, 2021 08:03 PM (OTzUX)

215
USPSA is run n gun, whereas IDPA is shoot, cover, scoot, shoot some more.

USPSA is a lot more wide open than IDPA, as are the guns that are allowed.

Drawing from concealment is usually a requirement with IDPA. Not so much with USPSA.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at December 05, 2021 08:00 PM


that's a better way to describe it

thanks, blake

Posted by: AltonJackson at December 05, 2021 08:03 PM (DUIap)

216 blaster - a brass squib rod, and a small rubber mallet, can come in handy too - for you, or others at the range.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 05, 2021 08:04 PM (OTzUX)

217 Range report: went to ESS today and last Sunday trying to zero another AR with a red dot. Last Sunday was rough because I didn't notice the buffer tube was loose so the shots were all over the place. Today was better and I was able to get something resembling groupings but still not as good as the other AR. The rifle might not like 55gr but I'm going to try an accuwedge to tighten up the slop and see if that helps.

On the pistola side of things, still no joy on recoil mitigation. The 92FS is doing it's part but I'm beginning to suspect that part of the reason my grip breaks on recoil is that I subconsciously loosen up on the trigger pull. Going to have to do some dry fire to see if that's the case.

Posted by: Thicc Boi at December 05, 2021 08:04 PM (zThcc)

218 I have a 700BDL 270win I bought in 1980. It has a Redfield Tracker 3x9 on a one piece base since new. I can barely get my eye close enough to the scope. Do newer scopes have longer eye relief than the forty year old ones?

Posted by: Eskimo at December 05, 2021 08:04 PM (zIRb+)

219 203 on IDPA v. USPSA. IDPA was developed as a split from USPSA and is more self defense oriented which is why cover and stages differ a bit from USPSA.

IDPA stages usually result in a much lower round count as well so if you are pinching pennies on ammo and supplies like holsters, firearms, etc, IDPA is more friendly to the wallet.

Competing in either will improve your shooting but like a lot of other competitions, you can spend to the moon by traveling and competing or use it as a learning exercise at the local level.

Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 08:04 PM (9hXN1)

220 It looks like I have the exact same rifle as 'different nic.' I haven't tried mine yet either.

Posted by: Theodore at December 05, 2021 08:04 PM (GJnvT)

221 USPSA is run n gun, whereas IDPA is shoot, cover, scoot, shoot some more.

USPSA is a lot more wide open than IDPA, as are the guns that are allowed.


My understanding is that IDPA came about because some people felt like IPSC/USPSA had become too much of a "game" and equipment race and less like practical skills development. I sort of figure guys being guys, that's gonna happen any time you keep score.

Posted by: Oddbob at December 05, 2021 08:05 PM (nfrXX)

222 OK, folks - here is a heart-felt request:
In the oh so slight chance that Mrs. Red would be lurking here (impossible, I know!), please let her know that I have been oh so good this year and that Santa really thinks I should have a Ruger Precision Rimfire .22 for the oh so cheap price of $400 +/-.
I could even wait till spring if necessary.

And I didn't touch any Masters or Grasshoppers and I don't want to be Deep-Creeped.

Posted by: RI Red - KfzQO at December 05, 2021 08:05 PM (R1/9P)

223 Posted by: jesse in dc at December 05, 2021 08:02 PM (kTRt4)
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Probably why it is twice as much! Seriously, agreed. Kroil is a great product.

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 08:05 PM (0IeYL)

224 217 notice the buffer tube was loose

Was the castle nut of the buffer tube not properly staked?

Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 08:05 PM (9hXN1)

225 loose sh*t is bad!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 05, 2021 07:37 PM (tkyK5)

There's medicines for that.

Posted by: GWB at December 05, 2021 08:06 PM (Gcsm/)

226 I would have joined the Patriot Front March but my khaki dockers got a terrible stain from the kerosene I had in my tiki torch at the Charlottesville gig for the Aryan Front meeting there.

Posted by: Totally not a Fed! at December 05, 2021 08:06 PM (LaNzR)

227 Great thread Weasel.

Posted by: rancherbob at December 05, 2021 08:06 PM (gtu9W)

228 Tonypete, "blems" are the gems of gun nuttery. Whether bullets, or pieces of a gun. No functional problem, and as you point out, often no detectable cosmetic problem.

Kinda like factor 2nds on premium cigars.

Well, actually, exactly like that, on certain brands.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 05, 2021 08:06 PM (OTzUX)

229 that's a better way to describe it

thanks, blake
Posted by: AltonJackson at December 05, 2021 08:03 PM (DUIap)
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Thank you.

I've shot them both. I really like USPSA because of the run n gun aspect, but, for practical practice purposes, IDPA is probably better.

My favorite matches, which are rare, are two gun, pistol/rifle. I hope to hit Tuscon for their matches, but, we'll see. I've got so much on my plate it may be difficult to find the time.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at December 05, 2021 08:07 PM (2SdPm)

230 Posted by: rancherbob at December 05, 2021 08:06 PM (gtu9W)
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Thanks, RancherBob!

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 08:07 PM (0IeYL)

231 Along with maintenance, I note that your range bag needs to have some amount of tools in it. Like a set of hex wrenches. Needlenose pliers are useful. And some screwdrivers.
Posted by: blaster at December 05, 2021 08:03 PM (mbFEM)


Advance Auto (at least in the NoVA area) has a nice and inexpensive screwdriver and bit set and a companion set of other bits, about $20-$25 for the pair. I think the hex bits you needed are included. Perfect for the range bag!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at December 05, 2021 08:07 PM (hOUT3)

232 Ammo is getting expensive enough that it's an essential skill to be able to pull the bolt on a rifle and eyeball the paper through it for boresighting. No laser needed, and it should get you on paper 50-100 yards no problem.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at December 05, 2021 08:07 PM (++emK)

233 oh well, bedtime here at the Chateau; I'll read the rest tomorrow.
Thanks for the Fun Thread, Weasel !

G'night everyone !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (03BbD) at December 05, 2021 08:07 PM (03BbD)

234 181 163 Posted by: Helena Handbasket at December 05, 2021 07:50 PM

Thanks for the advice HH. Still have minimum of 6 years before I do make the move. And being it will be me retiring I might not think about the price. Heck, I might change my mind and go for the Corvette or Ferrari I always coveted. ;-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 05, 2021 07:54 PM
Yeah Scoob, 'just throw that roll of barbwire in the front seat, buddy.'
Scoob standing next to his Corvette at Atwoods.

Posted by: Eromero at December 05, 2021 08:08 PM (0OP+5)

235
Posted by: sock_rat_eez (03BbD) at December 05, 2021 08:07 PM (03BbD)
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Nite sock rat!

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 08:08 PM (0IeYL)

236 Fine work, AOP !

let us know how it shoots !
Posted by: sock_rat_eez (03BbD) at December 05, 2021 08:03 PM (03BbD)

Thanks! Wall O'Text, I know! I will definitely let you all know how it shoots. Or if it doesn't.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 05, 2021 08:08 PM (P3gRi)

237 Congrats to Jesse and SiD. Here's to many years of married and shooting bliss!

Posted by: JTB at December 05, 2021 08:08 PM (7EjX1)

238 and son.
Posted by: GWB at December 05, 2021 07:43 PM (Gcsm/)

"and so on."

Posted by: GWB at December 05, 2021 08:08 PM (Gcsm/)

239 217
On the pistola side of things, still no joy on recoil mitigation. The 92FS is doing it's part but I'm beginning to suspect that part of the reason my grip breaks on recoil is that I subconsciously loosen up on the trigger pull. Going to have to do some dry fire to see if that's the case.

Posted by: Thicc Boi at December 05, 2021 08:04 PM (zThcc)
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A 92FS is a big potato-grip gun. It may simply be that it's too large for your hands. I know it's too large for mine. Handgun fit is often ignored but incredibly important.

Also, make sure you're following through and holding the trigger back for a second after each shot. Slapping the trigger can cause you to lose your grip, which makes recoil mitigation harder, which makes you tend to slap the trigger. Vicious cycle. Take a few slow shots and consciously hold the trigger back just long enough to say "follow through" to yourself. It might also help to try shooting to reset instead of letting the trigger the whole way out, if you're not doing that already. A large gun with a long pull like the 92FS really becomes a lemon squeezer if you let the trigger out to the full travel length.

Posted by: Pennsyltucky at December 05, 2021 08:09 PM (lNHqD)

240 Over the past few months I've acquired a few blem pieces for builds. For the life of me, I can't find the issue that caused these pieces to be rejected as 'firsts'.

I bought a Ruger Mk III that was marked as a blem. When I inspected it, I thought there was a spot that wasn't blued, probably because it wasn't clean when it was treated. Figured for 75 - 100 bucks, I could live with that. Got it home and found that the white spot was a flake of Styrofoam from the box tray. Never found any other issue with it.

Posted by: Oddbob at December 05, 2021 08:09 PM (nfrXX)

241 I had a feeling my lack of clarity for the "ask", would complicate things, so...my first purchase had a uni-hand holster in it and pockets for two mags. That was what I was looking for, but didn't want something that was 14" x 10" x 7". That's too big.

Maybe there's a better way of phrasing the ask. Also, I'll admit I didn't think about the theft aspect so thank you for that.

Also the Crocs comment cracked me. I can assure you, that will never be a problem.

Posted by: Honda at December 05, 2021 08:09 PM (R7LyT)

242 Weasel, Thank you for all you do, dear friend. I must heed the early morning call.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 05, 2021 08:09 PM (HOAaW)

243 44 magnum seem extra hard to find, which is sad since they make such great stocking stuffers.

Posted by: LASue at December 05, 2021 08:09 PM (Ed8Zd)

244 I am starting to think that the PSA Blems are just discount priced - people buy them (like myself) and go, hey there is nothing wrong with them and (like myself) spread the word and then other people buy them. The PSA lower I talked about upthread at $125 is about as cheap as any of the blems I have seen them sell - I did get one for $119 in February last year right before the COVID hit.

Posted by: blaster at December 05, 2021 08:09 PM (mbFEM)

245 >>> 149 Nurse, do you also practice shooting one handed? Both strong and weak hand? If not, I recommend it.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker


I do! It's weird. I'm left handed, but shoot righty. So, shooting with either hand is really comfortable.

I will hit center mass with either hand and both eyes open.

I'd like to do more move and shoot, but IDPA is intimidating. I get so damn competitive, I'd not be able to relax and learn.
Posted by: nurse ratched at December 05, 2021 07:46 PM (U2p+3)

How did I not know this? Or maybe I did and I forgot... what a dork...

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at December 05, 2021 08:10 PM (llON8)

246 222 Posted by: RI Red - KfzQO at December 05, 2021 08:05 PM

Hello Mrs. Red!!! I have been told to convey to you RI Red has been a very, very good boy and is deserving of a Daisy Red Rider BB gun. He swearsy's that he will not shoot out an eye!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 05, 2021 08:10 PM (mcfjc)

247 Posted by: Ben Had at December 05, 2021 08:09 PM (HOAaW)
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Goodnight my friend!

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 08:10 PM (0IeYL)

248
Competing in either will improve your shooting but like a lot of other competitions, you can spend to the moon by traveling and competing or use it as a learning exercise at the local level.
Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 08:04 PM (9hXN1)
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The year I really learned the way of the 1911, I was shooting IDPA, USPSA and Steel Challenge every month. I went through roughly 6K rounds of 45 acp that year.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at December 05, 2021 08:11 PM (2SdPm)

249 there was a gun store that was selling a gun as a blm because the box was beat to shit, gun was untouched

Posted by: confederatefifth at December 05, 2021 08:11 PM (K3ZCc)

250 but an interesting wall o text !
I enjoyed all the details !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (03BbD) at December 05, 2021 08:11 PM (03BbD)

251 Some of you folks might know I have been a professional mechanic for over 40 years. (Note: Mechanic not "technician" I fix things, not just change parts...) I mostly fixed British cars,

Posted by: jesse in dc at December 05, 2021 08:02 PM (kTRt4)

And guys like you and John Twist always live too far away from me....

Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 05, 2021 08:11 PM (7bRMQ)

252 My wife would like to purse carry when she gets more comfortable with her pistol.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 05, 2021 07:44 PM (tkyK5)

And the most important thing is keeping it in a holster, even in the purse! And in its own compartment!

You don't want it going off unintentionally in Target, or your kid to be digging in your purse, or any of a dozen other very bad possibilities. Keep the trigger covered, the orientation known, and the access simple.

Posted by: GWB at December 05, 2021 08:11 PM (Gcsm/)

253 "Last Sunday was rough because I didn't notice the buffer tube was loose so the shots were all over the place. Today was better and I was able to get something resembling groupings but still not as good as the other AR. The rifle might not like 55gr but I'm going to try an accuwedge to tighten up the slop and see if that helps.

On the pistola side of things, still no joy on recoil mitigation. The 92FS is doing it's part but I'm beginning to suspect that part of the reason my grip breaks on recoil is that I subconsciously loosen up on the trigger pull. Going to have to do some dry fire to see if that's the case.
Posted by: Thicc Boi at December 05, 2021 08:04 PM (zThcc)"

1. Castle nut staking is the way to go for this reason. A big honkin' flathead will work in a pinch but a pointed punch is usually easier, especially if you can automatic center punch where you want it first. Remember a lot of factory 55gr is only good for 2-3 MOA.

2. 70% grip from the support hand, 30% from the firing hand. Pull towards you with the support hand while pushing out with the firing hand, focusing on keeping your firing hand immobile beyond pressing the trigger.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at December 05, 2021 08:11 PM (++emK)

254 Posted by: Pennsyltucky at December 05, 2021 07:45 PM (lNHqD)

SWEET!

Posted by: GWB at December 05, 2021 08:12 PM (Gcsm/)

255 Strippers are pricey, especially if you get 'em preggers

Posted by: Hunter B-dan at December 05, 2021 08:12 PM (Iw46i)

256 I don't know a lot about guns. I saw some comments (not on this blog) that the Colt's on the set of Alex Baldwin's set were discharging without triggers being pulled. The only way I know that could happen is a drop.

It just seems funny to me that Baldwin is free while two people in Michigan that bought a gun for their son are indicted for involuntary manslaughter....

I can make the argument that both should be arrested. It's easier to make the argument that Baldwin should be charged given he was holding the gun that killed the innocent person.

Posted by: jeff at December 05, 2021 08:13 PM (nf4HY)

257 My shooting really started to improve when I started shooting in matches. I don't harp on it a lot here because I don't want this to become a competitive shooting thread, but the benefits cannot be overemphasized.

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 08:13 PM (0IeYL)

258 232 Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at December 05, 2021 08:07 PM

That is what I did the last time. Set target at 50 yards, boresighted, and was able to get on the target frame with the 1st shot and zeroed at 50 with a couple more shots then moved to 100 yards and did my final zero.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 05, 2021 08:13 PM (mcfjc)

259 sra blaster has been playing dress up with her holsters to work on her wardrobe options.

After watching the she equips herself girl (hey, honey, let's watch this video of a hot girl, I mean, gun and concealed carry stuff!) she's looking at a corset from Dene Adams to add to her, umm, arsenal.

Posted by: blaster at December 05, 2021 08:13 PM (mbFEM)

260 Congrats SID and Jesse! May you have a long and wonderful marriage!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 05, 2021 08:14 PM (iMZHt)

261 Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at December 05, 2021 07:48 PM (bVYXr)

500 Quatloos to Mister Scot!

Posted by: GWB at December 05, 2021 08:14 PM (Gcsm/)

262 194 having a gun training system tied to your phone is a bad thing to do in every way. is it a useful training aid, yes. is it a bright shining light for the tech overlords to know who you are, where you are, what you have, when you use it and how, yes. and, it has great user privacy, until they are sold to zuckrberg.
Posted by: confederatefifth at December 05, 2021 07:58 PM (K3ZCc)


As previously mentioned, the Strikeman system works perfectly acceptably on a phone that has no SIM card and is not connected to Wi-Fi, should you have an older phone lying around that you would wish to use for such purposes.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at December 05, 2021 08:14 PM (Agr8U)

263 248 Blake,
That is quite a bit of competitive shooting.

Do you reload or buy commercial?

Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 08:15 PM (9hXN1)

264 44 magnum seem extra hard to find, which is sad since they make such great stocking stuffers.

Posted by: LASue at December 05, 2021 08:09 PM


Same with 45 colt. One day I walked into the pawn shop/gun store and he had three cases of S&B 45 colt JHP. He normally had a limit of two boxes of each caliber that he gets but he let me buy a case of 500 rounds. I am still shooting that stuff a year later.

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at December 05, 2021 08:16 PM (bVYXr)

265 Pennsyltucky - ain't nuthin wrong with shooting a dry doe. Meats not full of testosterone and if she didn't see it coming, no adrenaline to spoilt the flavor either. Good on ya to continue family tradition

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at December 05, 2021 08:17 PM (Iw46i)

266 As previously mentioned, the Strikeman system works perfectly acceptably on a phone that has no SIM card and is not connected to Wi-Fi, should you have an older phone lying around that you would wish to use for such purposes.
Posted by: S


how do you get the software to the phone?

Posted by: confederatefifth at December 05, 2021 08:17 PM (K3ZCc)

267 252 My wife would like to purse carry when she gets more comfortable with her pistol.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot

Problem with purse carry.... what if someone bigger, stronger and angry, grabs her purse? I avoid the purse carry. I want my firearm on my person.

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 05, 2021 08:17 PM (U2p+3)

268 Guns GUNS GUUUUNZZZZZ!!!!

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Sexual Racist. at December 05, 2021 08:17 PM (II3Gr)

269 There is also the older cowboy cartridge, the 32-20 which is about the same as the 32 HR in effect. You can find those in S&W K Frames (first cartridge for the Hand Ejector actually) or Colts.

Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 07:57 PM (9hXN1)
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I've shot this and it's pretty neat.

Lots of effective .32 options to choose from and some are quite inexpensive.

Regrettably, .32-20 ammo does not fall into that category.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 05, 2021 08:17 PM (llXky)

270 Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 08:05 PM (9hXN1)
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Apparently it wasn't properly staked or it had just come loose at some point. I tightened it up before today's range trip and that helped. I'm a little embarrassed that I hadn't noticed sooner.

Posted by: Thicc Boi at December 05, 2021 08:17 PM (zThcc)

271 44 magnum seem extra hard to find, which is sad since they make such great stocking stuffers.

SG Ammo has some but still more $$ than I'm willing to pay.

Posted by: Oddbob at December 05, 2021 08:17 PM (nfrXX)

272 That is quite a bit of competitive shooting.

Do you reload or buy commercial?
Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 08:15 PM (9hXN1)
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I only did it one year. Ammo was cheap during that period of time, so, I bought commercial. I also discovered, of all things, that PMC Bronze 45acp, while dirty, is very consistent.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at December 05, 2021 08:17 PM (2SdPm)

273 257 My shooting really started to improve when I started shooting in matches. I don't harp on it a lot here because I don't want this to become a competitive shooting thread, but the benefits cannot be overemphasized.

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 08:13 PM (0IeYL)
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For anyone who just doesn't want to shoot publicly or competitively, the NRA Marksmanship Program is worth checking out. I've been sore at the NRA for a while, but this program is still good. It's a directed shooting program that you can do on your own, using specific targets and specific courses of fire. It gives you something to actually "do" at the range instead of just shooting that same bullseye target over and over. Plus, you can submit your scores and get certificates and medals or whatever. If I'd found it when I was a kid, I'd probably look like a North Korean general by now. It's a fun program and teaches some valuable stuff.

https://mqp.nra.org/

Posted by: Pennsyltucky at December 05, 2021 08:17 PM (lNHqD)

274 how do you get the software to the phone?
Posted by: confederatefifth at December 05, 2021 08:17 PM (K3ZCc)


Google Play store, then took it offline. I could probably have pursued a sideload but didn't really want to take that much time.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at December 05, 2021 08:18 PM (Agr8U)

275 If I'd found it when I was a kid, I'd probably look like a North Korean general by now.

5'3", 250lbs?

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Sexual Racist. at December 05, 2021 08:19 PM (II3Gr)

276 Google Play store, then took it offline. I could probably have pursued a sideload but didn't really want to take that much time.
Posted by: S


so it was bought over the internets from the tech overlords using your credit card, internet, and everything?

so they know who you are, where you are, and everything else.

Posted by: confederatefifth at December 05, 2021 08:19 PM (K3ZCc)

277 Oh, this has been an interesting week. I have told you we bought some acreage in Florida earlier this year. We can't move there for a while yet and we had some thoughts of developing a "Prepper Acres" on the front 40. That takes money, so that isn't going to happen for a while yet either.

Our real estate agent called this week and said hey you interested in selling? Some developers are in the area and then he mentioned a really, really big number. We said, well, no, we don't (painful to say because the number was, did I mention, big?), but our plan has always been to sell off that front 40... So he came up with a number not quite as big but, most important, a whole lot more than we paid for the whole thing.

So lots of prayer going on about this right now.

Posted by: blaster at December 05, 2021 08:20 PM (mbFEM)

278 so they know who you are, where you are, and everything else.
Posted by: confederatefifth at December 05, 2021 08:19 PM (K3ZCc)


Well, mine was in the canoe with my guns, so....

Posted by: blaster at December 05, 2021 08:21 PM (mbFEM)

279 so it was bought over the internets from the tech overlords using your credit card, internet, and everything?

so they know who you are, where you are, and everything else.
Posted by: confederatefifth at December 05, 2021 08:19 PM (K3ZCc)
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Heh,

I sort of don't care about that any more. I've bought so much ammo over the years, I figure our tech overlords have a huge red flag by my name.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at December 05, 2021 08:21 PM (2SdPm)

280 SG Ammo has some but still more $$ than I'm willing to pay.

Posted by: Oddbob at December 05, 2021 08:17 PM (nfrXX)
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Before the Covid prices took hold, a friend and I got in a big order of some of their .44 Magnum.

Still basking in the glow of that great decision, even though the firearms we bought them for have long since found a watery grave.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 05, 2021 08:21 PM (llXky)

281 I only did it one year. Ammo was cheap during that period of time, so, I bought commercial. I also discovered, of all things, that PMC Bronze 45acp, while dirty, is very consistent.

Posted by: blake

You might like Pat Sweeney's Reloading for Handgunners and the Big Book of 45 ACP by the same author.

Pat's books are not dry recitations and he works in his competitive shooting career into his books (he started as a gunsmith in Detroit area). The Handgunners series includes some of his competitive loads and gives the Power Factor of his specific reloads.

Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 08:21 PM (9hXN1)

282 Guns!
Weddings....

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 05, 2021 08:22 PM (eeRB6)

283 >>> 279 so it was bought over the internets from the tech overlords using your credit card, internet, and everything?

so they know who you are, where you are, and everything else.
Posted by: confederatefifth at December 05, 2021 08:19 PM (K3ZCc)
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Heh,

I sort of don't care about that any more. I've bought so much ammo over the years, I figure our tech overlords have a huge red flag by my name.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at December 05, 2021 08:21 PM (2SdPm)

I'm thinking it's a negative eleventy bazillion facezongoogmicroborg social credit score.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at December 05, 2021 08:23 PM (llON8)

284 Google Play store, then took it offline. I could probably have pursued a sideload but didn't really want to take that much time.
Posted by: S


so it was bought over the internets from the tech overlords using your credit card, internet, and everything?

so they know who you are, where you are, and everything else.
Posted by: confederatefifth at December 05, 2021 08:19 PM (K3ZCc)

So can you get software that does the same job to run on an old laptop? That solves the security issue.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 05, 2021 08:23 PM (P3gRi)

285 Speaking of cleaning, the EP9 says pretty much just wipe it with paper towels. No chemicals because the whole dang thing is polymer. Except the bolt and the barrel.

Posted by: blaster at December 05, 2021 08:23 PM (mbFEM)

286 Ok, time to call it a night.

As always Weasel, thank you for the work you do on this thread.

Everyone have a great evening and an even better week. Till next Sunday!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 05, 2021 08:23 PM (mcfjc)

287 so it was bought over the internets from the tech overlords using your credit card, internet, and everything?

so they know who you are, where you are, and everything else.
Posted by: confederatefifth at December 05, 2021 08:19 PM (K3ZCc)


Yep. Also bought my range membership, entries in several gun raffles for good causes, and numerous shootin' supplies that same way. And then I royally screwed the pooch by taking my cellphone to the range with me. Pretty sure I'm on the radar already.

There are risks to everything we do. Does the risk of not training to be ready for an eventuality I hope never happens (but want to be ready for nonetheless) outweigh the risk of Big Tech discovery? I've answered that for myself; everybody else needs to assess their risk profile and decide what makes sense for their use case.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at December 05, 2021 08:23 PM (Agr8U)

288 Pat's books are not dry recitations and he works in his competitive shooting career into his books (he started as a gunsmith in Detroit area). The Handgunners series includes some of his competitive loads and gives the Power Factor of his specific reloads.
Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 08:21 PM (9hXN1)
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Cool, thanks for the heads up!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at December 05, 2021 08:23 PM (2SdPm)

289 Range report: Open land north of the Bee Line and Saguaro Lake.
Sister and BIL came over from Santa Barbara and brought some of their guns.
He had the 30 cal carbine that was given to him by his friends widow. General Motors Inland Div Aug 44 stamped on it. It had a '36' painted on the stock and a couple other markings. He wasn't willing to let me post a picture.
It shot perfectly and on target with the Korean Surplus we got for him last year.
Sister had a .32 semi auto. she did well with it.
You can tell they both shoot at a range regularly.
Wife hasn't shot her S&W .357 mag in years. She went mainly because of the visitors.
She used up most of the .38 I brought and said that she had no problems, liked shooting it, and didn't have any hand pain this morning. The hand pain is why she stopped shooting years ago. The Ruger bullnose .22 got a work out by her as well.
I enjoyed the BIL's 30 cal, Ruger, and the Kel-Tec sub 2000.
When I shot the Ruger the better half commented that I have improved! Guess all the time on the Gun Thread has helped!

Thanks Weasel and all the rest of you!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 05, 2021 08:23 PM (iMZHt)

290 so it was bought over the internets from the tech overlords using your credit card, internet, and everything?

so they know who you are, where you are, and everything else.
Posted by: confederatefifth at December 05, 2021 08:19 PM (K3ZCc)
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Michigan has a pistol registry.

Every time I buy one, I drop by my local constabulary and drop off the slip. They know me well.

There's a point where the registry becomes its own form of deterrence.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 05, 2021 08:23 PM (llXky)

291 So lots of prayer going on about this right now.
Posted by: blaster


Don't do it.
You don't know what they will put there. Who will live there and you'll have no. Voice.

Don't do it. Preserve your space.

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 05, 2021 08:24 PM (U2p+3)

292 Posted by: Pennsyltucky at December 05, 2021 08:09 PM (lNHqD)
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I have a pair of slim aluminum grips that help the gun fit better but you could be right about it being too large. I'll have to pay more attention next time I'm at the range to see if trigger slap is an issue.

Posted by: Thicc Boi at December 05, 2021 08:24 PM (zThcc)

293 Posted by: Pennsyltucky at December 05, 2021 08:17 PM (lNHqD)
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Great points. Have a plan at the range IS something I mention a lot!

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 08:24 PM (0IeYL)

294
So can you get software that does the same job to run on an old laptop? That solves the security issue.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 05, 2021 08:23 PM (P3gRi)


These systems rely on the camera. So only phone/tablet apps.

Posted by: blaster at December 05, 2021 08:24 PM (mbFEM)

295 Heh,

I sort of don't care about that any more. I've bought so much ammo over the years, I figure our tech overlords have a huge red flag by my name.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in m

I agree with that, however, banks and internet service providers are much more regulated than goog and similar cos.

in a way it does not matter, however, at the same time just saying fuck it some guys have some of my info so why not give it all to everybody does not seem wise.

Posted by: confederatefifth at December 05, 2021 08:24 PM (K3ZCc)

296 I'm thinking it's a negative eleventy bazillion facezongoogmicroborg social credit score.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at December 05, 2021 08:23 PM (llON
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Double heh.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at December 05, 2021 08:24 PM (2SdPm)

297 Our real estate agent called this week and said hey you interested in selling? Some developers are in the area and then he mentioned a really, really big number. We said, well, no, we don't (painful to say because the number was, did I mention, big?), but our plan has always been to sell off that front 40... So he came up with a number not quite as big but, most important, a whole lot more than we paid for the whole thing.

So lots of prayer going on about this right now.
Posted by: blaster at December 05, 2021 08:20 PM (mbFEM)

If "developers" are moving into the area, then maybe the area is about to become something other than the charming rural backwater it was when you bought the land. Maybe the smart move IS to take the money and run.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 05, 2021 08:25 PM (P3gRi)

298 Regrettably, .32-20 ammo does not fall into that category.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd

Ended up getting a nice WWI era Colt Police Positive for that reason recently. Old guns that fire obscure cartridges are generally cheaper because of ammo costs.

Only problem is that reloading those old shallow necked cartridges can be a pain if you don't use something like starline brass. PITA about like reloading 357 sig. It kept me from buying a Colt New Service in 38-40 at a decent price because I simply did not want another obscure cartridge to reload.

Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 08:26 PM (9hXN1)

299 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 05, 2021 08:23 PM (mcfjc)
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Nite Scoob!

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 08:26 PM (0IeYL)

300 Daily carry a Ruger LCR .327 Mag. With the factory rubber grip I can fire full load Federal 100gr Soft-Points all day... they're a bit 'spicy' with any other 'hard' grip. 32 ACP's are like shooting 22LR out of it, maybe they keyhole at longer ranges, but a snubby isn't really meant for that.

Posted by: tRusty Hudson at December 05, 2021 08:26 PM (iJCGt)

301 I actually belong to the EP9 owners group on FB. I am surprised they allow it at all.

But yes all the stuff I have purchased off the net etc - they know I am a gun owner.

Posted by: blaster at December 05, 2021 08:26 PM (mbFEM)

302 Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 05, 2021 08:23 PM (iMZHt)
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Happy to do it. Thanks for being here!

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 08:27 PM (0IeYL)

303 Michigan has a pistol registry.

Every time I buy one, I drop by my local constabulary and drop off the slip. They know me well.

There's a point where the registry becomes its own form of deterrence.
Posted by: F

that is fine but there are some regs about how that is used.

there was a reporter that got the registry info for westchester some years back and essentially doxxed every gun owner in westchester with their website.

if somebody buys out the training software firm then doxxes everybody that has it there is that would be unfortunate for the users.

Posted by: confederatefifth at December 05, 2021 08:27 PM (K3ZCc)

304 Dos bebidas medianas Makers Mark, mi es wobbly. Manana, vatos y vatas.

Posted by: Eromero at December 05, 2021 08:27 PM (0OP+5)

305 I have been trying for (several) years to convince my better half to NOT purse carry. Keep it on your body, I sez. She was a MSgt. can't teach 'em nuthin. Sigh.

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at December 05, 2021 08:27 PM (Iw46i)

306 These systems rely on the camera. So only phone/tablet apps.
Posted by: blaster at December 05, 2021 08:24 PM (mbFEM)

You can put a twenty-dollar web cam on the laptop.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 05, 2021 08:27 PM (P3gRi)

307 Michigan has a pistol registry.

Every time I buy one, I drop by my local constabulary and drop off the slip. They know me well.

There's a point where the registry becomes its own form of deterrence.
Posted by: F



what he said

Posted by: confederatefifth at December 05, 2021 08:28 PM (K3ZCc)

308 If "developers" are moving into the area, then maybe the area is about to become something other than the charming rural backwater it was when you bought the land. Maybe the smart move IS to take the money and run.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 05, 2021 08:25 PM (P3gRi)


We just purchased in May! Florida real estate is going crazy right now. We bought in the "last undeveloped coastal county in Florida." Seems like we got in just in time.

Posted by: blaster at December 05, 2021 08:28 PM (mbFEM)

309 Hey fellow enthusiasts. Just wanted to say Hi and that I have been lurking because I am in Mexico and internet service is pretty spotty. The weather here is terrific and mostly maskless although employees ar still being forced to mask up. I will miss the next meeting of the Moron Gun Club however.
I still say we need tshirts.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 05, 2021 08:28 PM (YFZ4u)

310 If "developers" are moving into the area, then maybe the area is about to become something other than the charming rural backwater it was when you bought the land. Maybe the smart move IS to take the money and run.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 05, 2021 08:25 PM (P3gRi)
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Very valid point.

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 08:28 PM (0IeYL)

311 Posted by: jeff at December 05, 2021 08:13 PM (nf4HY)
Colt Single Action Army (SAA) revolvers should only be loaded w/ five rounds. The chamber under the firing pin needs to be empty. Look closely at the gap between the rear of the cylinder and the frame on a Colt SAA. If the hammer is down on an empty cylinder, you can easily see the hammer mounted firing pin poking through its hole in the frame. If the firing pin rests on a loaded cartridge, any jolt (not just a drop) to the Colt SAA can cause the cartridge under the firing pin to go off. There's a specific procedure a Colt SAA user needs to follow to properly load the revolver so the hammer can be safely lowered on an empty chamber. Old West gunfighters knew this. Most people in the 21st century don't.

Posted by: Ed L at December 05, 2021 08:29 PM (NacE+)

312 I still say we need tshirts.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 05, 2021 08:28 PM (YFZ4u)

On an integrity kick, I see.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Sexual Racist. at December 05, 2021 08:29 PM (II3Gr)

313 So lots of prayer going on about this right now.

Posted by: blaster at December 05, 2021 08:20 PM (mbFEM)

I agree with Nurse R and AOP. Some developer could be Gates or China and you'll be trapped in a "no shooting" zone and then your plans are stymied. Maybe take the money and look further out from civilization.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 05, 2021 08:30 PM (7bRMQ)

314 Posted by: Eromero at December 05, 2021 08:27 PM (0OP+5)
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Adios, amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 08:30 PM (0IeYL)

315 You can put a twenty-dollar web cam on the laptop.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 05, 2021 08:27 PM (P3gRi)


You could. But then you would need the app to run on it. I mean, I guess you can find an emulator and run the phone app on it under Linux or something.

That's a lot of stuff to try to hide something they already know.


Posted by: blaster at December 05, 2021 08:30 PM (mbFEM)

316 Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 05, 2021 08:28 PM (YFZ4u)
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Hola!

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 08:31 PM (0IeYL)

317 >>> 295
.....
I agree with that, however, banks and internet service providers are much more regulated than goog and similar cos.

in a way it does not matter, however, at the same time just saying fuck it some guys have some of my info so why not give it all to everybody does not seem wise.
Posted by: confederatefifth at December 05, 2021 08:24 PM (K3ZCc)

While it's true the banks and such have more regulations they're *supposed* to follow, that didn't seem to slow down the credit card companies who sent the feralgov information about people using their cards in the DC area on the 6th, as one example. There have also been cases of phone companies sending information to all sorts of recipients without any legal authorization. There are definitely ways to make things harder though.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at December 05, 2021 08:31 PM (llON8)

318 I still say we need tshirts.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 05, 2021 08:28 PM (YFZ4u)

Well, I hope you are letting the girls enjoy a little sunshine!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 05, 2021 08:31 PM (P3gRi)

319 We just purchased in May! Florida real estate is going crazy right now. We bought in the "last undeveloped coastal county in Florida." Seems like we got in just in time.

Posted by: b


the thing is is, florida has had some boom and bust tendency, maybe you want to sell now and buy back in when it is more desirabl

Posted by: confederatefifth at December 05, 2021 08:31 PM (K3ZCc)

320
Hey, Scuba Dude! It's me, Mrs. Red. As long as he doesn't shoot his eye out and wears his pink bunny pj's, he's good to go ...

Posted by: Mrs. Red at December 05, 2021 08:32 PM (R1/9P)

321 Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at December 05, 2021 08:11 PM (++emK)
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I'll see if I can do that 70/30 split next time that I'm out. I'm usually an all or nothing kind of guy so regulating output is tricky.

Posted by: Thicc Boi at December 05, 2021 08:33 PM (zThcc)

322 You could. But then you would need the app to run on it. I mean, I guess you can find an emulator and run the phone app on it under Linux or something.

That's a lot of stuff to try to hide something they already know.


Posted by: blaster at December 05, 2021 08:30 PM (mbFEM)

Not just security, though. Laptop has a much bigger screen; easier to see.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 05, 2021 08:33 PM (P3gRi)

323 Guns!
Weddings....
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

We are an interesting group.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 05, 2021 08:33 PM (YFZ4u)

324 While it's true the banks and such have more regulations they're *supposed* to follow, that didn't seem to slow down the credit card companies who sent the feralgov information about people using their cards in the DC area on the 6th, as one example. There have also been cases of phone companies sending information to all sorts of recipients without any legal authorization. There are definitely ways to make things harder though.
Posted by: H


yes it did slow the banks down and it was not every bank that did and they are going to be liabl if they violted the regs. the internets are not as regulted as the banks and phone cos.

Posted by: confederatefifth at December 05, 2021 08:34 PM (K3ZCc)

325 She was a MSgt. can't teach 'em nuthin.

Posted by: McGyver at December 05, 2021 08:27 PM (Iw46i)


Worse than officers............
*ducks*

Posted by: GWB at December 05, 2021 08:35 PM (Gcsm/)

326 "Maybe the smart move IS to take the money and run." Montana's full. Moose out front shoulda tol ya

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at December 05, 2021 08:35 PM (Iw46i)

327 On Dole died today, 98. Maybe a post for a real hero?

Posted by: Gonzotx at December 05, 2021 08:35 PM (arxua)

328 Maybe the smart move IS to take the money and run.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 05, 2021 08:25 PM (P3gRi)

Maybe more of Pelosi's friends will move in?

Posted by: GWB at December 05, 2021 08:36 PM (Gcsm/)

329 if somebody buys out the training software firm then doxxes everybody that has it there is that would be unfortunate for the users.

Posted by: confederatefifth at December 05, 2021 08:27 PM (K3ZCc)
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Why?

Michigan has 750,000 concealed pistol licensees. that's around 10 percent of the adult population.

Last I heard, the pistol registry has more guns than the total population of the state. If your goal is to normalize gun ownership, than "doxxing" is a feature, not a bug.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 05, 2021 08:36 PM (llXky)

330 Thicc Boi,
I never could shoot a Beretta 92 worth a damn as we transitioned from the good ole S&W Model 15 revolvers to that hunk of iron.

Reason was it fit my hand poorly so control was suboptimal compared with the K Frame grip which is a pretty universal fit for most hands.

For shooting purposes, if you cannot line up your forearm bones with the finger on the trigger in a master firing grip, then you will shoot more poorly than if the handgun fits your hand. In addition, the Beretta is a double action/single action combo--for the most part, these are better shot revolver style than Glock style. Use the power crease of your trigger finger rather than the pad. You will get more control and are less likely to pull your shots due to trigger reach. This only works well though if the Beretta trigger fits your hand.

Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 08:36 PM (9hXN1)

331 195 ... rhomboid, my handloading brother!

Glad you posted those precautionary 'rules' about gathering reloading tools and components whenever and wherever they are available. I try not to bring it up in every gun thread but with newcomers it should be mentioned frequently.

Posted by: JTB at December 05, 2021 08:37 PM (7EjX1)

332 fwiw, the re thing is a very good opportunity for you, however, before yo do anything, you should be working with a good tax attorney and or corporate attorney, how you have the re orgnized before the dispsitin and what you do with the $ afterwards would be hugely beneficial to you and yours.

Posted by: confederatefifth at December 05, 2021 08:38 PM (K3ZCc)

333 and wears his pink bunny pj's

Posted by: Mrs. Red at December 05, 2021 08:32 PM (R1/9P)

And, just like that, I think there's now a uniform for the TXMoMe....

Posted by: GWB at December 05, 2021 08:38 PM (Gcsm/)

334 Regarding AR accuracy, and I'm assuming you're using a handguard that isn't directly attached to the barrel....
In my limited experience, barrel quality, barrel/upper receiver fit, and a quality trigger are the keys to building an accurate AR platform rifle. Money can get you the barrel and trigger, while spending a little extra time lapping the upper receiver face will ensure an even fit between the barrel extension and upper receiver. I also suggest adding a bit of Green Loctite to the barrel extension outer surface prior to installation. That'll help ensure the barrel doesn't wobble even if the fit is a bit loose.

Posted by: PacosMojo at December 05, 2021 08:38 PM (KDhaS)

335 Why?

Michigan has 750,000 concealed pistol licensees. that's around 10 percent of the adult population.

Last I heard, the pistol registry has more guns than the total population of the state. If your goal is to normalize gun ownership, than "doxxing" is a feature, not a bug.
Posted by: F


giving everybody the name and address of everybody that has a gun is a good way to give every wold be thief an idea of where to go for guns or go to not get gunned.

even in westchester everybody was outraged, why is this hard?

Posted by: confederatefifth at December 05, 2021 08:40 PM (K3ZCc)

336 JTB - I ask their level/kind of interest in reloading, the answer affects my spiel a bit. Mostly I try to demystify it for those who think it's some kind of difficult or highly technical undertaking, which it isn't, unless you're going high-end. I tell them "this too shall pass", WRT reloading components (well, I hope so, not sure about anything any more), meanwhile patient accumulation and education should proceed.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 05, 2021 08:40 PM (OTzUX)

337 I'm out early tonight. Thanks for the thread, Weasel.
And congrats to Jesse and SiD! You two being happy together brings a huge smile to my face.

Posted by: GWB at December 05, 2021 08:41 PM (Gcsm/)

338 Colt Single Action Army (SAA) revolvers should only be loaded w/ five rounds.

Posted by: Ed L at December 05, 2021 08:29 PM (NacE+)
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It doesn't matter how many rounds you put in them, they will just fire themselves! That's exactly what happened to me!

Posted by: Alec Baldwin at December 05, 2021 08:41 PM (llXky)

339 Posted by: GWB at December 05, 2021 08:41 PM (Gcsm/)
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Good nite GWB!

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 08:41 PM (0IeYL)

340 Later, All! ThanX! for the convo! Giggles is gonna call shortly, so I gotta go. And, Weasel, once again, thank you for all the hard work.

McGyver, (accepting used reloading equipment on spec), out

Posted by: McGyver at December 05, 2021 08:42 PM (Iw46i)

341 It doesn't matter how many rounds you put in them, they will just fire themselves! That's exactly what happened to me!
Posted by: Alec Baldwin at December 05, 2021 08:41 PM (llXky)

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*honk* *honk*

Posted by: An SUV at December 05, 2021 08:42 PM (VxC1e)

342 It just seems funny to me that Baldwin is free while two people in Michigan that bought a gun for their son are indicted for involuntary manslaughter....


Its a classic case of How Much Justice Can You Afford?

Posted by: Reuben Hick at December 05, 2021 08:42 PM (LZkRt)

343 Not just security, though. Laptop has a much bigger screen; easier to see.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 05, 2021 08:33 PM (P3gRi)


The app records it is not what you shoot at. The way they work is you have a white target on a stand. The phone sits in a position to see the target and then you essentially work the contrast until the screen is dark (the white part of the target blends in with the markings). There is a laser cartridge with a momentary switch and when you fire at the screen it is bright enough to overcome the contrast and then the software records the location and scores it.

Posted by: blaster at December 05, 2021 08:43 PM (mbFEM)

344 even in westchester everybody was outraged, why is this hard?

Posted by: confederatefifth at December 05, 2021 08:40 PM (K3ZCc)
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I am struggling mightily - and sincerely - to figure out what point you are trying to make.

And I can't quite get there.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 05, 2021 08:43 PM (llXky)

345 Posted by: McGyver at December 05, 2021 08:42 PM (Iw46i)
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Good nite amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 08:43 PM (0IeYL)

346 Speaking of 32 magnums and reloading: MidwayUSA has Starline (my favorite handgun brass) 32 magnum brass available. I was surprised.

And Missouri Bullet Company has cast bullets for 32 magnum in a variety of weights. The 32 cartridge lends itself well to inexpensive cast bullets.

Posted by: JTB at December 05, 2021 08:44 PM (7EjX1)

347 ---
I am struggling mightily - and sincerely - to figure out what point you are trying to make.

And I can't quite get there.
Posted by: F


what is hard with understanding that having a newspaper distribute via the internets who owns guns, what they, own, and where they are and who does not is unwise?

this house has guns, this house does not have guns.
if you want to rob guns go here, if you want to rob somebody unarmed go here.

what is the duffucult bit?

Posted by: confederatefifth at December 05, 2021 08:45 PM (K3ZCc)

348 Speaking of 32 magnums and reloading: MidwayUSA has Starline (my favorite handgun brass) 32 magnum brass available. I was surprised.

And Missouri Bullet Company has cast bullets for 32 magnum in a variety of weights. The 32 cartridge lends itself well to inexpensive cast bullets.

Posted by: JTB at December 05, 2021 08:44 PM (7EjX1)
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I do not reload, but I have been saving particularly valuable calibers of brass against the day when I might.

So yes, I'm saving the .32 Magnums.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 05, 2021 08:45 PM (llXky)

349 what is hard with understanding that having a newspaper distribute via the internets who owns guns, what they, own, and where they are and who does not is unwise?

this house has guns, this house does not have guns.
if you want to rob guns go here, if you want to rob somebody unarmed go here.

what is the duffucult bit?

Posted by: confederatefifth at December 05, 2021 08:45 PM (K3ZCc)
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Well, other than your random typing, finding your point.

This stunt caused universal outrage. Has it been repeated?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 05, 2021 08:46 PM (llXky)

350 We used to have a regular, retropox, who had a very respectable collection of 32s of all kinds. I gave the caliber a thought a few years back, mulling over revolver options for the boss, and thinking she'd like the light recoil. Never pursued it though.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 05, 2021 08:47 PM (OTzUX)

351 We used to have a regular, retropox, who had a very respectable collection of 32s of all kinds. I gave the caliber a thought a few years back, mulling over revolver options for the boss, and thinking she'd like the light recoil. Never pursued it though.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 05, 2021 08:47 PM (OTzUX)
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Yes, I remember that. It wasn't just the variety of the weapons though, it was particular specimens/serial number ranges.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 05, 2021 08:49 PM (llXky)

352 how you have the re orgnized before the dispsitin and what you do with the $ afterwards would be hugely beneficial to you and yours.
Posted by: confederatefifth at December 05, 2021 08:38 PM (K3ZCc)


Indeed.

Posted by: blaster at December 05, 2021 08:50 PM (mbFEM)

353 Yep retropox was a real collector, knew his stuff, and was accumulating all the varieties and lines of this and that. At least that's the way it came across in comments.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 05, 2021 08:50 PM (OTzUX)

354 Dang it I'm late to the pew pew thread. No range time for me this week. Had to get some thump therapy, and spent the day on the lake yesterday catching crappie.

We've used the sea foam engine cleaner on our black powder rifles for years. I'll have to try the deep creep lube on the gubs.

Posted by: No Name Nobody at December 05, 2021 08:51 PM (Xqlct)

355 Well, on more happy news, did get to the range yesterday. The Nurse wanted to try out some of my older, more neglected noisemakers, so I brought my H&R top break .22 and my SIG 320 with the Romeo One red dot mount.

POI on the SIG red dot seems to have drifted right but it was capable of very small groups. I just hate the trigger.

The H&R was not reliable, the .22 ammo which is very reliable (for .22) in my automatics had failures about 1/3 of the time. Not as much fun to shoot but still had a great time at the range.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 05, 2021 08:51 PM (eeRB6)

356 I'm liking the Starline brass too. I've been using 6.5 Grendel in my 6arc(they're threatening to make 6arc) and I have some 6.5 coming for my 6Creedmoor(all I could find right now, have some 6mm on backorder). I've been happy with it so far.

Posted by: ck at December 05, 2021 08:52 PM (iBg56)

357 Yeah, deep creep may be cheaper than kroil, but does it smell as good?

No review is complete without telling us how it smells.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at December 05, 2021 08:52 PM (3OvPl)

358 I went into 32 SW Long revolvers during the last couple of years simply because they were affordable at the time, easy to handload with brass life about like 38 Special (almost forever), cheap bullets, mild recoil, and easily reloadable cases unlike 22 LR.

There are two cartridges that are almost ubiquitous among reloaders--the 38 Special and the 45 ACP. Both are superb cartridges for reloading with long brass life, easy to resize, no special quirks such as tapering, and affordable bullets. The 32 revolver cartridges such as 32 SW long and the 32 H&R belong to that list as well.

Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 08:52 PM (9hXN1)

359 Mrs. Red finally posts and everyone has gone to bed.

Still not wearing pink bunny pj's.

Posted by: RI Red - KfzQO at December 05, 2021 08:52 PM (R1/9P)

360 336 ... "I tell them "this too shall pass", WRT reloading components (well, I hope so, not sure about anything any more), meanwhile patient accumulation and education should proceed."

Absolutely! Taking care to accumulate components when the panic passes allowed me to be independent of the current prices. Even then, the search goes on, mostly for friends who want to start reloading. Besides, the 'hunt' for tool and component bargains is fun in itself. Finding that Lee 12 gauge loader kit, the whack-a-mole version, after years of looking was damn satisfying. Getting it for about five dollars was frosting on the cake.

Posted by: JTB at December 05, 2021 08:52 PM (7EjX1)

361 Yep retropox was a real collector, knew his stuff, and was accumulating all the varieties and lines of this and that. At least that's the way it came across in comments.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 05, 2021 08:50 PM (OTzUX)
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Agreed. I try to do the research before making a decision. Both of my Astras would have seen service in the Spanish Civil War, which was more important to me than their condition.

And then there was the canoe accident...

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 05, 2021 08:52 PM (llXky)

362 Well, other than your random typing, finding your point.
This stunt caused universal outrage. Has it been repeated?
Posted by: F

what is the difficult bit for you?
is it good to have state gun registry info distributed via the internets by newspapers in map form?
if that is outrageous even in ny where would it not be.

that it has not been repeated does not mean that it could not be .

that it has not been repeated by a newspaper does not mean that some tech guy could not buy out some firearm training device and the somehow doxx the users.

if there is a state registry that has the info, that requires you to submit the info that is unfortunate, that you would willingly supply that info to somebody is different altogether.

Posted by: confederatefifth at December 05, 2021 08:53 PM (K3ZCc)

363 No review is complete without telling us how it smells.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at December 05, 2021 08:52 PM (3OvPl)
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No harsh odors....

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 08:53 PM (0IeYL)

364 The 32 revolver cartridges such as 32 SW long and the 32 H&R belong to that list as well.

Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 08:52 PM (9hXN1)
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Do you happen to have a newsletter?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 05, 2021 08:54 PM (llXky)

365 Oh I meant to ask Nevada Dave what kind of laser engraver his buddy had.

Posted by: blaster at December 05, 2021 08:54 PM (mbFEM)

366 Guns!
Weddings....
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

We are an interesting group.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 05, 2021 08:33 PM (YFZ4u)

's why I'm glad to be here

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 05, 2021 08:55 PM (eeRB6)

367 whig, exactly the reasons I mulled the 32 options, back a ways.

As for 45ACP brass longevity, I've got WWII arsenal 45 brass in my stock that has the headstamps half worn-off. Range pick-ups (though I also have some WWII arsenal 45 brass that I emptied, so, "new"). Always love it when I see those.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 05, 2021 08:55 PM (OTzUX)

368 The H&R was not reliable, the .22 ammo which is very reliable (for .22) in my automatics had failures about 1/3 of the time. Not as much fun to shoot but still had a great time at the range.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

That is rare for a 22 LR revolver--have you checked the headspace on it recently? It is possible endshake may be cushioning the blow from the firing pin or the firing pin has been damaged.

The other possibility is built up grunge in the action that is slowing the hammer down a bit before hitting the rim or an out of spec hammer spring.

Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 08:55 PM (9hXN1)

369 359 Mrs. Red finally posts and everyone has gone to bed.

Still not wearing pink bunny pj's.
Posted by: RI Red - KfzQO at December 05, 2021 08:52 PM (R1/9P)
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Was that really Mrs. Red? I figured it was Scoob!

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 08:56 PM (0IeYL)

370 ck, LGS has Starline brass in 6.5 CM, but 95 bucks for a hundred.
I've got Hornady emptys up the yinyang for free.

Posted by: RI Red - KfzQO at December 05, 2021 08:56 PM (R1/9P)

371 Hi Mrs. Red!!!!

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 08:56 PM (0IeYL)

372 Denver arsenal, I think, or Twin Cities.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 05, 2021 08:57 PM (OTzUX)

373 The app records it is not what you shoot at. The way they work is you have a white target on a stand. The phone sits in a position to see the target and then you essentially work the contrast until the screen is dark (the white part of the target blends in with the markings). There is a laser cartridge with a momentary switch and when you fire at the screen it is bright enough to overcome the contrast and then the software records the location and scores it.
Posted by: blaster at December 05, 2021 08:43 PM (mbFEM)

Looks like the LASR Classic does the exact same thing with a laptop running Windows, no Internet connection needed.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 05, 2021 08:57 PM (P3gRi)

374 if there is a state registry that has the info, that requires you to submit the info that is unfortunate, that you would willingly supply that info to somebody is different altogether.

Posted by: confederatefifth at December 05, 2021 08:53 PM (K3ZCc)
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What you seem to miss is that when politicians realize that 50-60 percent of the population is armed, that changes their appetite for gun seizure.

Similarly, reporters who otherwise hate gun owners might think twice about pissing off most of their audience - who also happen to be armed.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 05, 2021 08:57 PM (llXky)

375 Posted by: RI Red - KfzQO at December 05, 2021 08:56 PM (R1/9P)
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Damn! What's Lapua brass selling for now? On second thought, don't tell me.

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 08:58 PM (0IeYL)

376 Thanks for the thread Weasel.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 05, 2021 08:59 PM (7bRMQ)

377 376 Thanks for the thread Weasel.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 05, 2021 08:59 PM (7bRMQ)
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You're welcome!

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 08:59 PM (0IeYL)

378 Weasel, her first post ever! And on your thread!

I told ya, "Gunz & Gossip" would bring them in!

Posted by: RI Red - KfzQO at December 05, 2021 08:59 PM (R1/9P)

379 My Beretta Neo also not very fun to shoot because of the FTF . It's the typical problems with feeding .22 automatics. You would think Beretta would have done a better job but maybe I just bought a lemon. Anyone else have a Neo?

Posted by: Just a side note at December 05, 2021 09:00 PM (iXJM1)

380 That is rare for a 22 LR revolver--have you checked the headspace on it recently? It is possible endshake may be cushioning the blow from the firing pin or the firing pin has been damaged.

The other possibility is built up grunge in the action that is slowing the hammer down a bit before hitting the rim or an out of spec hammer spring.
Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 08:55 PM (9hXN1)

It's a hammer pin and it seems 'ok', no sign of damage to anything when I was cleaning it. I do see that very little of the hammer actually strikes the brass though, that seems to be the design.

My first thought? Weak hammer spring. The H&R is no spring chicken.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 05, 2021 09:00 PM (eeRB6)

381 JTB I jotted down the price of every piece of gear when buying my initial basic set-up (press, 3-4 sets of dies, scale, tumbler, all the accessories). Almost all bought used. Think it was about 40% of retail cost (lowest, online, FS Reloading, cuz Lee). This was gratifying. A game, indeed, some effort to reduce cost for almost everything involved. And of course extensive use of "free" repurposed stuff.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 05, 2021 09:00 PM (OTzUX)

382 369 359 Mrs. Red finally posts and everyone has gone to bed.

Still not wearing pink bunny pj's.
Posted by: RI Red - KfzQO at December 05, 2021 08:52 PM (R1/9P)
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Was that really Mrs. Red? I figured it was Scoob!
Posted by: Weasel

Wait. That was really Mrs Red!?!?

I thought it was a sock.

Hi, Mrs Red!!!!!

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 05, 2021 09:00 PM (U2p+3)

383 Just because somebody is not in a gun registry doesn't mean they don't have a gun.

Posted by: f'd at December 05, 2021 09:01 PM (Tnijr)

384 AH Lloyd,

I got a transition model 32 New Police/Police Positive (One is stamped on one side of the barrel and the other logo on the opposite side) for about two franklins about three years ago while at the gunsmith for some other business. Later, after finding firing it fun, I got a Rossi snubbie in that caliber (Model 69) for a bit less than that that was practically brand new.

Grab that one while dog walking as coyotes appear around our neighborhood now and again. That one I feel comfortable in firing the Buffalo Bore self defense ammo. Colts are a real PITA to fix if they get out of time and so I treat antique 100 year plus guns gently. The 32-20 was a recent acquisition from a firearms liquidation sale.

Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 09:01 PM (9hXN1)

385 Posted by: RI Red - KfzQO at December 05, 2021 08:59 PM (R1/9P)
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Did you perform all of the sacred rituals associated with a First Post?

Very honored to have that occur on the Gun Thread!

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 09:01 PM (0IeYL)

386 My first thought? Weak hammer spring. The H&R is no spring chicken.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 05, 2021 09:00 PM (eeRB6)
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No pun intended?

The more I've gotten into vintage firearms, the more familiar I've become with Wolff replacement springs.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 05, 2021 09:02 PM (llXky)

387 Posted by: nurse ratched at December 05, 2021 09:00 PM (U2p+3)
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Same here. Come back, Mrs. Red! Come baaaaack!

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 09:03 PM (0IeYL)

388 It's a hammer pin and it seems 'ok', no sign of damage to anything when I was cleaning it. I do see that very little of the hammer actually strikes the brass though, that seems to be the design.

My first thought? Weak hammer spring. The H&R is no spring chicken.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 05, 2021 09:00 PM (eeRB6)

I have an H&R .32 top-break pocket hammerless in .32 S&W short. I am lucky to get two rounds to fire out of five. There is a little fore-and-aft slop in the cylinder, and this may be sapping force from the firing pin strike.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 05, 2021 09:04 PM (P3gRi)

389 My first thought? Weak hammer spring. The H&R is no spring chicken.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 05, 2021 09:00 PM (eeRB6)
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No pun intended?
The more I've gotten into vintage firearms, the more familiar I've become with Wolff replacement springs.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 05, 2021 09:02 PM (llXky)

Sure, let's go with that.
I'm not overly handy, I struggle with fiddly bits, so we'll see how hard it will be to replace springs. I honestly don't shoot the H&R much, so may just put it back into storage for another decade or two.
I've got way more .22's that I like shooting more.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 05, 2021 09:05 PM (eeRB6)

390 Just because somebody is not in a gun registry doesn't mean they don't have a gun.

Posted by: f'd at December 05, 2021 09:01 PM (Tnijr)
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No kidding.

On the other hand, when the State Police can say: "Uh, you realize that this law you're proposing will incarcerate 4 million people, including most of us," that does have a sobering effect.

Really, I get it. I get the desire to be hidden from Sauron's Eye, but there are benefits to being out in the open. In a society where it is known that 70 percent of the population is armed, does anyone ever propose gun control?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 05, 2021 09:06 PM (llXky)

391 348 ... "I do not reload, but I have been saving particularly valuable calibers of brass against the day when I might.

So yes, I'm saving the .32 Magnums."

Glad to hear that. It's smart and saving brass is always smart whether for your own use, to trade for something or as a gift for reloading buddies.

Posted by: JTB at December 05, 2021 09:06 PM (7EjX1)

392

Posted by: confederatefifth at December 05, 2021
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Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 05, 2021 08:57 PM (llXky)
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I can sort of see both sides of the debate.

On one hand, you're publishing a list.

On the other hand, you're publishing a list.

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 09:06 PM (0IeYL)

393 I'm not overly handy, I struggle with fiddly bits, so we'll see how hard it will be to replace springs. I honestly don't shoot the H&R much, so may just put it back into storage for another decade or two.
I've got way more .22's that I like shooting more.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 05, 2021 09:05 PM (eeRB6)
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I've not yet replaced a revolver spring. Nice thing about them - you can just keep clicking until everything goes bang.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 05, 2021 09:08 PM (llXky)

394 Thanks, RI Red. I found a place down in Az called Sleeping Dog Ammo with 6.5 CM for $79, no tax, but $20.50 in shipping. LOL. It's in the post office at the end of my street now.

Posted by: ck at December 05, 2021 09:08 PM (iBg56)

395 380 MAE, any endshake in the revolver? That can also be the cause of irregular firing. Essentially when the hammer firing pin hits the round, the revolver cylinder in a revolver with excessive endshakes ends up moving with the hit enough to cushion the fp blow so the primer does not go off.

Lock the empty revolver cylinder up and put the revolver at full cock (don't point at the cinematographer while doing it) try to move the cylinder back and forth while at full lockup. If the cylinder moves enough back and forth, then you have excessive endshake. Each revolver has its own specs for when that exists. Away from my reference manuals but you might be able to find the specs online in a forum.

If the hammer spring is replaced and it is still irregular in firing, then look at endshake as a possibility. Also sometimes people cut the hammer spring to lighten trigger pull so that can also replicate irregular ignition of primers.

Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 09:08 PM (9hXN1)

396 The New York Historical Society museum has the gun TR carried as the NY Police Commissioner. IRRC, it's a .32.

Posted by: Fox2! at December 05, 2021 09:10 PM (qyH+l)

397 I have an H&R .32 top-break pocket hammerless in .32 S&W short. I am lucky to get two rounds to fire out of five. There is a little fore-and-aft slop in the cylinder, and this may be sapping force from the firing pin strike.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

That be called endshake in gunsmithing terms. It can also be complicated by firing pin wear over the decades.

Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 09:10 PM (9hXN1)

398 Weasel, since this week marks the 80th anniversary of Pearl Harbor, I'm thinking about submitting to the thread some WWII era US military firearms that will mark their 80th birthdays over the next year. Thoughts?

Posted by: Ed L at December 05, 2021 09:10 PM (NacE+)

399 And guys like you and John Twist always live too far away from me....
Posted by: OrangeEnt
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OrangeEnt, I'm responding for Jesse (who does not actually live in DC anymore). If you have questions about a British car, you can reach him through Weasel, or email me (email in nic).

Posted by: screaming in digital at December 05, 2021 09:11 PM (kTRt4)

400 My sister in law who is not a gun owner purchased my iTarget for Christmas last year. So if someone buys that company in order to get the purchaser list they will miss me and get my SIL.

I downloaded the app from the App Store. It's a free app not sure that Apple sends that info back to the company.

Posted by: blaster at December 05, 2021 09:11 PM (mbFEM)

401 381 ... "I jotted down the price of every piece of gear when buying my initial basic set-up (press, 3-4 sets of dies, scale, tumbler, all the accessories). Almost all bought used. Think it was about 40% of retail cost (lowest, online, FS Reloading, cuz Lee). This was gratifying. A game, indeed, some effort to reduce cost for almost everything involved. And of course extensive use of "free" repurposed stuff."

Man, I wish I had thought to keep track of the costs like that. It would be amusing and satisfying to look back over the inventory lists.

Posted by: JTB at December 05, 2021 09:11 PM (7EjX1)

402 The New York Historical Society museum has the gun TR carried as the NY Police Commissioner. IRRC, it's a .32.

Posted by: Fox2! at December 05, 2021 09:10 PM (qyH+l)
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Yep. TR was the one who standardized NYPD on .32 Long. He felt that it was both accurate and easy to use while having sufficient power.

Hard to argue with that assessment.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 05, 2021 09:11 PM (llXky)

403 MAE, any endshake in the revolver? That can also be the cause of irregular firing. Essentially when the hammer firing pin hits the round, the revolver cylinder in a revolver with excessive endshakes ends up moving with the hit enough to cushion the fp blow so the primer does not go off.

Lock the empty revolver cylinder up and put the revolver at full cock (don't point at the cinematographer while doing it) try to move the cylinder back and forth while at full lockup. If the cylinder moves enough back and forth, then you have excessive endshake. Each revolver has its own specs for when that exists. Away from my reference manuals but you might be able to find the specs online in a forum.

If the hammer spring is replaced and it is still irregular in firing, then look at endshake as a possibility. Also sometimes people cut the hammer spring to lighten trigger pull so that can also replicate irregular ignition of primers.
Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 09:08 PM (9hXN1)

Checking...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 05, 2021 09:11 PM (eeRB6)

404 If the hammer spring is replaced and it is still irregular in firing, then look at endshake as a possibility. Also sometimes people cut the hammer spring to lighten trigger pull so that can also replicate irregular ignition of primers.
Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 09:08 PM (9hXN1)
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Haven't followed this closely, but is a loose strain screw a possibility? Sometimes people back them off to lighten the trigger pull.

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 09:11 PM (0IeYL)

405 Thank you as always for the thread and content Weasel. Jesse (not) in DC and Screaming in Digital, congratulations. I hope you have an amazing future together, with lots of adventure and happiness.
I have found the Mantis system to be excellent. You can dry fire at home, or live fire at the range etc. It has really helped me become a good shot. Granted under range conditions etc.

Posted by: MikeM at December 05, 2021 09:11 PM (oTuGd)

406 Banks don't know what you buy if you buy with cash.

Posted by: davidt at December 05, 2021 09:12 PM (0hbQ6)

407 367 whig, exactly the reasons I mulled the 32 options, back a ways.

Posted by Rhomboid.

The 32 S&W Long or the 32 ACP for that matter are nice, less noisy, ways to get practice in. Both are cheap if you reload but ammo can be pricey and lack availability for either cartridge if you don't.

Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 09:12 PM (9hXN1)

408 The New York Historical Society museum has the gun TR carried as the NY Police Commissioner. IRRC, it's a .32.
Posted by: Fox2! at December 05, 2021 09:10 PM (qyH+l)

I would hazard a guess that, from circa 1890 to about 1930, the .32, in some flavor was THE self-defense round other than .45 ACP, filling about the same market space as 9mm does today.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 05, 2021 09:12 PM (P3gRi)

409 One should bookmark starlinebrass dot com. If it is on backorder it is usually a week or two out for free shipping.

32 H&R is currently in backorder for $180.50 / thousand.
They 7.62 commie in american brass for $324 / k too.
6.5 CRat $461 / k.

Posted by: Phuk Ho Le at December 05, 2021 09:13 PM (E2qgW)

410 Done with dinner.
I shall keep using my Strikeman system. It has really helped, especially since some ammo is still hard to get and $$$ to boot.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 05, 2021 09:13 PM (axyOa)

411 Weasel, since this week marks the 80th anniversary of Pearl Harbor, I'm thinking about submitting to the thread some WWII era US military firearms that will mark their 80th birthdays over the next year. Thoughts?
Posted by: Ed L at December 05, 2021 09:10 PM (NacE+)
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Sounds fun, but send me an email and let's discuss. Thx.

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 09:13 PM (0IeYL)

412 Beth is not the prettiest thing, but she is a One.

I loved the scene with her and the woke protester in the Dutton kitchen.

LOL

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at December 05, 2021 09:13 PM (ufFY8)

413 Yo! Nurse! Weasel! All! Yup, out from under my lurking rock.

Posted by: Mrs. Red at December 05, 2021 09:14 PM (R1/9P)

414 Posted by: MikeM at December 05, 2021 09:11 PM (oTuGd)
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Howdy, Mike M! My pleasure.

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 09:14 PM (0IeYL)

415 Haven't followed this closely, but is a loose strain screw a possibility? Sometimes people back them off to lighten the trigger pull.

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 09:11 PM (0IeYL)
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Another thought: Just because ammo performs well in one platform, that doesn't mean it will perform well in another.

I've noticed - especially with vintage guns - that they can be REALLY particular about what they run well on. So your "otherwise solid" ammo might have the secret sauce to suck in that particular revolver.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 05, 2021 09:15 PM (llXky)

416 Haven't followed this closely, but is a loose strain screw a possibility? Sometimes people back them off to lighten the trigger pull.

Posted by: Weasel

Depends on whether H&R used SW mechanism or not. Strain screws are a feature on the Hand Ejector and later std. Smith double actions. The 32 H&R breakopen don't apparently use one that I can see in online schematics but my reference manuals are in another state right now. Dunno if the 22 LR is the same.

Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 09:15 PM (9hXN1)

417 That be called endshake in gunsmithing terms. It can also be complicated by firing pin wear over the decades.
Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 09:10 PM (9hXN1)

Yes, there is definitely some end shake present, maybe .005" I am going to see if I can slip a thin shim washer in there, on the barrel end of the cylinder.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 05, 2021 09:16 PM (P3gRi)

418 Posted by: Mrs. Red at December 05, 2021 09:14 PM (R1/9P)
Posted by: Mrs. Red at December 05, 2021 09:14 PM (R1/9P)

Welcome to the Gun Thread! We won't hold being married to such a dangerous lunatic against you.

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 09:16 PM (0IeYL)

419 What you seem to miss is that when politicians realize that 50-60 percent of the population is armed, that changes their appetite for gun seizure.

Similarly, reporters who otherwise hate gun owners might think twice about pissing off most of their audience - who also happen to be armed.
Posted by: F

so you think that somebody in the media is going to think that publishing info about gun owners is a bad thing, because they have already done so and because they are not going to get cover from their bosses?

right.

or is your argument that they are afraid of violence from gun owners?

the issue here is that tech has the ability to doxx or otherwise use the info without the owner of the info even knowing.

Posted by: confederatefifth at December 05, 2021 09:17 PM (K3ZCc)

420 AH, different ammo can be a possibility. There is a match ammo checker that checks the rim size of the 22 LR ammo. Some of the cheaper stuff varies quite a bit on the rim thickness which of course can cause issues with accuracy if not ignition of the primer.

Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 09:17 PM (9hXN1)

421 Mrs. Red! Hello! I just popped in to see what's happening and here you are. Hooray!

Posted by: bluebell at December 05, 2021 09:17 PM (wyw4S)

422 Posted by: bluebell at December 05, 2021 09:17 PM (wyw4S)
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Hey! 11:30?

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 09:18 PM (0IeYL)

423 @Whig

First, thanks for the advice, as always.
Second, lockup on cock is tight as a 16 year old Catholic schoolgirl. Very admirable.

This is an H&R 'Sportsman' Doubleaction, dunno what year. It's in good shape, no gunk anywhere. Not much of the hammer enters the cylinder area and I'm still thinking it's one of the hammer springs. The hammer feels 'loose'...like an 18 year Catholic Schoolgirl. Dunno.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 05, 2021 09:18 PM (eeRB6)

424 Howdy, Mrs. Red!

Posted by: Infidel at December 05, 2021 09:19 PM (qpolg)

425 Hey! 11:30?
Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 09:18 PM (0IeYL)
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Perfect! I was going to text you a bit ago but I figured you'd be busy.

Posted by: bluebell at December 05, 2021 09:20 PM (wyw4S)

426 so you think that somebody in the media is going to think that publishing info about gun owners is a bad thing, because they have already done so and because they are not going to get cover from their bosses?
the info without the owner of the info even knowing.

Posted by: confederatefifth at December 05, 2021 09:17 PM (K3ZCc)
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No.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 05, 2021 09:20 PM (llXky)

427 Yippee ki yeah Mutha****s.
Its ben a Die Hard marathon here.
V ery Chrisrmassy.
Lots of guns...the one McClane had taped to his back in 3 was like the 357 discussed above.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 05, 2021 09:20 PM (axyOa)

428 Weasel, will do. Intent is to throw in some little nuggets of history along w/ the guns themselves. The story of US small arms production in WWII is an interesting one with plenty of mistakes and errors made along the way, especially as production cranked up in 1942.

Posted by: Ed L at December 05, 2021 09:21 PM (NacE+)

429 Posted by: bluebell at December 05, 2021 09:20 PM (wyw4S)
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Great. I'm thinking BLT. My turn to buy!

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 09:21 PM (0IeYL)

430 Weasel, Nurse, bluebell.
Yeah, she's been lurking awhile and is putting her toes in the water.
No! Stop! It's dangerous!
Especially the "Sacred Rituals".

I think they are only performed at MoMes.

Posted by: RI Red - KfzQO at December 05, 2021 09:22 PM (R1/9P)

431 Great. I'm thinking BLT. My turn to buy!
Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 09:21 PM (0IeYL)
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Oh no you don't. It's my turn and you better let me take it.

Posted by: bluebell at December 05, 2021 09:22 PM (wyw4S)

432 417 AOP, PowerCustom sells endshake shims for Smith and Wesson types--you can also stretch the crane tube once which brownells sells the tools for that. Might be able to adapt either technique for yours. .005 would be in spec for a Smith--.008 is usually when something has to be done, dunno about H&R of that vintage as the specs vary by revolver mfg.

Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 09:22 PM (9hXN1)

433 @ A.H. Lloyd

I need my guns to run good on cheap ammo. It may be that this ammo brand doesn't work well in this revolver. Which is not a mark in the H&R's favor.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 05, 2021 09:23 PM (eeRB6)

434 158 Weasel, what do you think about resizing with .308W dies and shooting the loads in a 7.62x.51 rifle bore?

Compare the dimensions and decide for yourself. Personally, I would do what you suggest without worry but I could be convinced otherwise if someone wants to make a case.

http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=146769

Posted by: Oddbob at December 05, 2021 07:49 PM (nfrXX)


Like most forums they just argue about it. NATO rounds are cheap and available enough. I'll just buy new.

Posted by: Javems at December 05, 2021 09:23 PM (S7vMe)

435 Posted by: RI Red - KfzQO at December 05, 2021 09:22 PM (R1/9P)
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Well now she's an 'ette!

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 09:23 PM (0IeYL)

436 AH, different ammo can be a possibility. There is a match ammo checker that checks the rim size of the 22 LR ammo. Some of the cheaper stuff varies quite a bit on the rim thickness which of course can cause issues with accuracy if not ignition of the primer.

Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 09:17 PM (9hXN1)
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It's worth looking at, no question.

There are lots of examples for weapons that just hate *that manufacturer* but otherwise run fine.

Rather than going to a gunsmith or taking a master class in Vintage Pistol Repair, it might be easier to just try different ammo types.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 05, 2021 09:24 PM (llXky)

437 BTW, before the Rifleman Chuck Connors played a comic character in an episode of the old Superman series in the 50s.

Posted by: JTB at December 05, 2021 09:24 PM (7EjX1)

438
434 158 Weasel, what do you think about resizing with .308W dies and shooting the loads in a 7.62x.51 rifle bore?

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Oops! Looks like I missed a comment!

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 09:25 PM (0IeYL)

439 423 MAE, then it is most probably the hammer spring.

Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 09:26 PM (9hXN1)

440 JTB, I found that Chuck Conners article very interesting. So much I didn't know.

Posted by: Infidel at December 05, 2021 09:26 PM (qpolg)

441 Weasel, Thanks for another wonderful gun thread.

Wishing everyone have a good night before the ONT comes along.

Posted by: JTB at December 05, 2021 09:26 PM (7EjX1)

442 9:20ish Thank You time!

Thank you all for being here, and an extra special welcome to Mrs. Red, and blessings to Jesse niDC and SiD.

All Y'all are the best!

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 09:26 PM (0IeYL)

443 No! Stop! It's dangerous!
Especially the "Sacred Rituals".


A few years ago, and maybe once since then, the Book Thread did a thread specifically inviting lurkers to delurk. I wonder how much response the Gun Thread would get with something like that.

Posted by: Oddbob at December 05, 2021 09:26 PM (nfrXX)

444 Just want to thank everybody for your kind words. This whole year has been such a shitshow in the world in general, but marvelous for me personally. Not only did I meet my sweetheart, I met many amazing ettes and rons in Texas, and have been learning how to shoot after being ree!!! terrified of gubs my whole life.

You all are such a blessing to us and these few hours every Sunday are a bright spot in my life, even when I have no idea what you're talking about.

Posted by: screaming in digital at December 05, 2021 09:27 PM (kTRt4)

445 I need my guns to run good on cheap ammo. It may be that this ammo brand doesn't work well in this revolver. Which is not a mark in the H&R's favor.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 05, 2021 09:23 PM (eeRB6)
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How old is it, though? Have you tried other cheap brands?

If you remember, a few years back I bitched incessantly about the Dreyse M1907 I picked up from the Gun Store With No Name. I hated on that thing, but once I got the springs replaced, that is my go-to gun for hard primer ammo.

Seriously, if I get a dent but no bang, I just set it aside because that M1907 makes it go BOOM. Fresh springs help. A lot.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 05, 2021 09:27 PM (llXky)

446 then it is most probably the hammer spring.
Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 09:26 PM (9hXN1)

Coil spring slipped a twist?
Should be safer to adjust than a garage door spring.

Posted by: Phuk Ho Le at December 05, 2021 09:28 PM (E2qgW)

447
You all are such a blessing to us and these few hours every Sunday are a bright spot in my life, even when I have no idea what you're talking about.
Posted by: screaming in digital at December 05, 2021 09:27 PM (kTRt4)


I'm just so happy for you and Jesse!!!

Posted by: Ladyl at December 05, 2021 09:28 PM (TdMsT)

448 Well now she's an 'ette!
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One of us! One of us!

Posted by: screaming in digital at December 05, 2021 09:28 PM (kTRt4)

449 AOP, PowerCustom sells endshake shims for Smith and Wesson types--you can also stretch the crane tube once which brownells sells the tools for that. Might be able to adapt either technique for yours. .005 would be in spec for a Smith--.008 is usually when something has to be done, dunno about H&R of that vintage as the specs vary by revolver mfg.
Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 09:22 PM (9hXN1)

I don't think a top break has a crane. Isn't that a feature of guns with a swing-out cylinder? This is a top break 5-shooter, circa 1896, with auto-eject. As the barrel is tipped up, a cam at the hinge pushes up a "spider" that lifts all 5 cases out of the cylinder. Nifty.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 05, 2021 09:29 PM (P3gRi)

450 Greeting Weasel, Bluebell, Infidel, et al.
And Bob from NAS.

Posted by: Mrs. Red at December 05, 2021 09:30 PM (R1/9P)

451 Oh no you don't. It's my turn and you better let me take it.
Posted by: bluebell at December 05, 2021 09:22 PM (wyw4S)


Dang.
I heard that in my head in my moms voice.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 05, 2021 09:30 PM (axyOa)

452 You can resize with the 308 Win die just fine for a 7.62x51, However, if you are firing reloads in a semi auto, I recommend using a small base resizing die--it works the brass more but you do not worry about it chambering.

Brass life in semi autos is more limited anyway by the poor brass being roughly loaded and ejected.

Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 09:30 PM (9hXN1)

453 Posted by: Oddbob at December 05, 2021 09:26 PM (nfrXX)
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I invite them to do that every week, but maybe next week I'll insist!

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 09:30 PM (0IeYL)

454 Seriously, if I get a dent but no bang, I just set it aside because that M1907 makes it go BOOM. Fresh springs help. A lot.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 05, 2021 09:27 PM (llXky)

I saw a little Dreyse .32 in a display case at the Phoenix gun show yesterday.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 05, 2021 09:31 PM (P3gRi)

455 Hey everybody, my son got promoted to Lance Corporal. Proud Dad!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 05, 2021 09:31 PM (kTF2Z)

456 449 AOP you are right, brain fart, your ejector tube in this case. I am used to working on double action revolvers with cranes.

Need to update my online help scripts.

Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 09:32 PM (9hXN1)

457 Seriously, if I get a dent but no bang, I just set it aside because that M1907 makes it go BOOM. Fresh springs help. A lot.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 05, 2021 09:27 PM (llXky)

I'll take a look at new springs, see how hard it will be to replace on this. As for how old...dunno without tracing the SN. They were made from the 50's to the 80's and I bought this used in the 90's. It's in good really good shape.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 05, 2021 09:32 PM (eeRB6)

458 Posted by: JTB at December 05, 2021 09:26 PM (7EjX1)
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Thank you JTB. Happy to have you here.

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 09:32 PM (0IeYL)

459 .308 and 7.62x51 have the same bore but very slightly different chambers. In theory 308 can be loaded a little hotter, the opposite of 556 vs 223. The dies are the same.

Posted by: ck at December 05, 2021 09:33 PM (iBg56)

460 Need to update my online help scripts.

1. Are you sure it's plugged in?
2. Have you tried rebooting?

Posted by: Oddbob at December 05, 2021 09:33 PM (nfrXX)

461 SID, Jesse, nice to meet you in TX. Mrs. Red still pissed about missing it.

Posted by: RI Red - KfzQO at December 05, 2021 09:33 PM (R1/9P)

462 Good night, Weasel and everyone! See you next week!

Posted by: Ed L at December 05, 2021 09:33 PM (NacE+)

463 Oh no you don't. It's my turn and you better let me take it.
Posted by: bluebell at December 05, 2021 09:22 PM (wyw4S)
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Well in that case, I may have soup, too!

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 09:34 PM (0IeYL)

464 double action revolvers with cranes.

Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 09:32 PM (9hXN1)

What the hell?

That's a big revolver! And I thought the X frame S&Ws were big. They don't need cranes!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 05, 2021 09:34 PM (Q9lwr)

465 NSA damn it! Dyslexic

Posted by: Mrs. Red at December 05, 2021 09:34 PM (R1/9P)

466 Well. It is now time to thank Weasel (and everyone else) for a great discussion.

Lots of great information and I hope that those of you lurking understand that there is an "in-between" option for those who find snubbie .38 revolvers too much to handle and think .22 LR ones are a bit weak.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 05, 2021 09:34 PM (llXky)

467 Posted by: Ed L at December 05, 2021 09:33 PM (NacE+)
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Nite Ed L!

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 09:34 PM (0IeYL)

468 373
Looks like the LASR Classic does the exact same thing with a laptop running Windows, no Internet connection needed.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 05, 2021 08:57 PM (P3gRi)
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I'll pitch in a vote for the LASR software. It's good stuff. We have a small, cheap Windows tablet running the LASR software, and we use it for simulator classes (using SIRT pistols from NLT). We mostly use it for simulator classes, generally absolute newbies who aren't yet sure if they want to buy a handgun, but want a low-pressure way of trying it out. I use it on my own as well - it's great for showing point of impact as well as holster-to-target times. Very versatile software.

Posted by: Pennsyltucky at December 05, 2021 09:35 PM (lNHqD)

469 423 Mark, you may have a bad hammer strut. H&R went with a plastic piece that the hammer cams on, and they often break. Remove grips, pull hammer spring and strut and see if it is one of the plastic ones and replace if worn or broke. Readily available, and you can still find the metal ones

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 05, 2021 09:35 PM (C1Lsn)

470 All Y'all are the best!
Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 09:26 PM (0IeYL)


And yet, we are nothing without our fearless leader ...

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at December 05, 2021 09:35 PM (Agr8U)

471 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 05, 2021 09:34 PM (llXky)
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Thanks again, AHL!

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 09:36 PM (0IeYL)

472 I saw a little Dreyse .32 in a display case at the Phoenix gun show yesterday.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 05, 2021 09:31 PM (P3gRi)
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I hated mine sooo much, and then it got the care it needed. Now it runs like a champ.

Ugly, strange and oddly adorable.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 05, 2021 09:36 PM (llXky)

473 Well done son of Duke!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at December 05, 2021 09:36 PM (axyOa)

474 SIG 320 with the Romeo One red dot mount

That's what I have. Very accurate after you zero it in.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 05, 2021 09:37 PM (ybIRR)

475 nice to meet you in TX. Mrs. Red still pissed about missing it.
Posted by: RI Red - KfzQO at December 05, 2021 09:33 PM (R1/9P)


As a first-timer this past TxMoMe, let me strongly encourage attendance!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at December 05, 2021 09:37 PM (Agr8U)

476 Mark, you may have a bad hammer strut. H&R went with a plastic piece that the hammer cams on, and they often break. Remove grips, pull hammer spring and strut and see if it is one of the plastic ones and replace if worn or broke. Readily available, and you can still find the metal ones
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 05, 2021 09:35 PM (C1Lsn)

Thanks Bill, I'll take a look. This looks to be 'old' enough that I don't see any plastic parts at all. Just metal and wood, there isn't even a firing pin, just the hammer striking through to the cylinder through a gap.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 05, 2021 09:37 PM (eeRB6)

477 NSA damn it


Welcome

You fit right in!

Posted by: Infidel at December 05, 2021 09:37 PM (qpolg)

478 455 Hey everybody, my son got promoted to Lance Corporal. Proud Dad!
Posted by: Duke Lowell



Whoohoooooo!
Congratulations dad!

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 05, 2021 09:37 PM (U2p+3)

479 What the hell?

That's a big revolver! And I thought the X frame S&Ws were big. They don't need cranes!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 05, 2021 09:34 PM (Q9lwr)
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Six-shot Paris Gun.

That would be awesome.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 05, 2021 09:38 PM (llXky)

480 449 AOP, looking at Numrich schematics, it would be the barrel catch pivot pin that would need to be stretched it appears.

MAE, apparently H&R on your model has a plastic head guide assembly on the spring which could be your issue if it has cracked or deteriorated from age. Numrich aka Gun Parts Corp. has a complete replacement spring and guide for 30 bucks. Must be a common issue as they also sell a replacement pack of 6 for 72.

Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 09:38 PM (9hXN1)

481 That's what I have. Very accurate after you zero it in.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 05, 2021 09:37 PM (ybIRR)

Jah, had a couple 10 round one hole* groups with it. Nurse did pretty well with it, too. It's a reliable gun too, I just don't like the trigger, though it's functional.

*it's a large hole

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 05, 2021 09:38 PM (eeRB6)

482 LOL thanks CBD, I needed a laugh today.

Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 09:39 PM (9hXN1)

483 Dang, just passed through to douse the lights and y'all are still awake and more or less vertical. I'm gone to look in the fridge.

Posted by: Eromero at December 05, 2021 09:40 PM (0OP+5)

484 Forgot thanks weasel. The thread has made being a remote location bearable for the last 9 weeks.

Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 09:41 PM (9hXN1)

485 Just metal and wood, there isn't even a firing pin, just the hammer striking through to the cylinder through a gap.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 05, 2021 09:37 PM (eeRB6)
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Do you have other rimfire revolvers? I mean to compare with the primer dent.

A friend of mine just bought a .22 WMR revolver and the dents were immaculate - really pronounced.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 05, 2021 09:41 PM (llXky)

486 Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 09:41 PM (9hXN1)
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Why thank you, whig!

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 09:42 PM (0IeYL)

487 Great. I'm thinking BLT. My turn to buy!
Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 09:21 PM (0IeYL)
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Oh no you don't. It's my turn and you better let me take it.
Posted by: bluebell at December 05, 2021 09:22 PM


bluebell, did you miss the announcement of Weasel's investiture as an honorary Texan?

Now, when a Texan offers a young lady a meal, one should be polite, and accept with grace and pleasure.

Do it out of respect for Weasel's accomplishment. Do it out of respect for Texas. Do it because Texas is the home of Bluebell ice cream. Do it for us.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 05, 2021 09:42 PM (a3Q+t)

488 Congrats Mr. Lowell on raising a fine son.

Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 09:43 PM (9hXN1)

489 Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 05, 2021 09:42 PM (a3Q+t)
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Yeah!

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 09:43 PM (0IeYL)

490 Well in that case, I may have soup, too!
Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 09:34 PM (0IeYL)


Weasel, my advice, order the two pound lobster!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at December 05, 2021 09:43 PM (hOUT3)

491 Dang, just passed through to douse the lights and y'all are still awake and more or less vertical. I'm gone to look in the fridge.

Posted by: Eromero at December 05, 2021 09:40 PM (0OP+5)
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Not all of them. Let's zoom in a little more on that one...

Posted by: Bob from the NSA at December 05, 2021 09:44 PM (llXky)

492
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at December 05, 2021 09:43 PM (hOUT3)
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Well, maybe fish sticks!

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 09:44 PM (0IeYL)

493 Time to make some tea and get ready for the Oh Enn Tea.

Thanks for another great gun thread, Weasel. It's one of my most sincere wishes that I might someday get the opportunity to sling some lead with you.

Posted by: Pennsyltucky at December 05, 2021 09:45 PM (lNHqD)

494 I'm gone to look in the fridge.

Posted by: Eromero at December 05, 2021 09:40 PM (0OP+5)

I hope you are frustrated and can't find anything delicious.

It would be payback for the frustration you have caused me.

You let me shoot your Ruger Blackhawk convertible, and now I want one, but they are nowhere to be found around here!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 05, 2021 09:45 PM (Q9lwr)

495 Well, maybe fish sticks!
Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 09:44 PM (0IeYL)


Dude, seize the day!

And thanks for yet another fine gub thread!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at December 05, 2021 09:45 PM (hOUT3)

496 OK everyone. ONT is up! Great conversation tonight, thanks again!

I hope you enjoy the rest of your evening and have a great week. See you next Sunday!

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 09:45 PM (0IeYL)

497 490 Well in that case, I may have soup, too!
Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 09:34 PM (0IeYL)

Weasel, my advice, order the two pound lobster!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at December 05, 2021 09:43 PM
And the 24 oz prime rib rare.

Posted by: Eromero at December 05, 2021 09:45 PM (0OP+5)

498 Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at December 05, 2021 09:45 PM (hOUT3)
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Carpe fish stick?

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 09:46 PM (0IeYL)

499 And the 24 oz prime rib rare.
Posted by: Eromero at December 05, 2021 09:45 PM (0OP+5)


This guy knows how it's done!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at December 05, 2021 09:46 PM (hOUT3)

500 485 Just metal and wood, there isn't even a firing pin, just the hammer striking through to the cylinder through a gap.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

On that particular design, you have a firing pin spring and an in frame firing pin apparently. The FP spring could be gunked up. To remove the fp and the spring, you will have to take out the firing pin retaining pin on the side of the frame. Might be able to spray out the gunk with gunscrub or something like that without removal.

Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 09:47 PM (9hXN1)

501
Posted by: Pennsyltucky at December 05, 2021 09:45 PM (lNHqD)
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Thank you! We'll have to do that.

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 09:47 PM (0IeYL)

502 Nood ont !

Posted by: lin-duh at December 05, 2021 09:47 PM (UUBmN)

503 And the 24 oz prime rib rare.
Posted by: Eromero at December 05, 2021 09:45 PM (0OP+5)

This guy knows how it's done!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Lie back and think of the sweet graft! ~ at December 05, 2021 09:46 PM (hOUT3)
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Strolled into the Dining Hall this afternoon and called out: "I'll have the filet mignon!"

I did not get filet mignon.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 05, 2021 09:48 PM (llXky)

504 HR 999 revolver schematic and parts at Numrich
https://tinyurl.com/yx45vm6z

Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 09:49 PM (9hXN1)

505 On that particular design, you have a firing pin spring and an in frame firing pin apparently. The FP spring could be gunked up. To remove the fp and the spring, you will have to take out the firing pin retaining pin on the side of the frame. Might be able to spray out the gunk with gunscrub or something like that without removal.

Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 09:47 PM (9hXN1)
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Alternative course of action: drench it with Break Free CLP. Like saturate it. Let it sit, and then when you go to the range, watch a brown sludge wash out of the weapon.

Can't tell you how many times that worked for me.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 05, 2021 09:49 PM (llXky)

506 AOP, looking at Numrich schematics, it would be the barrel catch pivot pin that would need to be stretched it appears.

Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 09:38 PM (9hXN1)

That would be the "tit" in the center of the ejector spider, right? That piece does look a little mushroomed and pitted, alright. It appears to be all one piece with the spider. I will check the Numrich drawing. I cannot see "stretching" it, but I might be able to give it a tiny zap with the MIG welder, and then dress it to shape with a Dremel tool.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 05, 2021 09:50 PM (P3gRi)

507 OK, it may be time to shut down the Red Thread.
Night, Weasel, all.
Whew, we may have created a monster. Who shoots handguns very well when she has a mind to.

Posted by: RI Red - KfzQO at December 05, 2021 09:51 PM (R1/9P)

508 OrangeEnt, I'm responding for Jesse (who does not actually live in DC anymore). If you have questions about a British car, you can reach him through Weasel, or email me (email in nic).

Posted by: screaming in digital at December 05, 2021 09:11 PM (kTRt4)

Thanks SiD. I know you guys are in Wy. That's just as far as Mi for me if John Twist was still working on cars. I'll think about how to word what I need and send through Weasel.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 05, 2021 09:52 PM (7bRMQ)

509 Posted by: RI Red - KfzQO at December 05, 2021 09:51 PM (R1/9P)
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Nite, bro!

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 09:52 PM (0IeYL)

510 Weasel, you might need to add "and sis" to that.
Time will tell.

Posted by: RI Red - KfzQO at December 05, 2021 09:54 PM (R1/9P)

511 506--the usual is carefully peening it with a hammer--tap tap tap.

Your way is a permanent fix and much better. As for me, I could never weld worth a flip on delicate stuff.

Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 09:54 PM (9hXN1)

512 511 Damn it, unclear again, you peen the shaft all around in order to slightly stretch it to a longer length. I just know the folks in the gub thread are going to love this post.

Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 09:55 PM (9hXN1)

513 Greetings:

Many may find this pet peevish, but can't we all agree that a "machine-gun" should require belt-fed ammunition as opposed to magazine fed.

An important element in suppressive fire is that one can fire uninterruptedly for longer than one's opponents. Belt fed ammo promotes that.

I would describe that pistol as fully automatic.

Posted by: 11B40 at December 05, 2021 10:00 PM (uuklp)

514 512 511 Damn it, unclear again, you peen the shaft all around in order to slightly stretch it to a longer length. I just know the folks in the gub thread are going to love this post.
Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 09:55 PM (9hXN1)
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Oh dear.

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 10:01 PM (0IeYL)

515 Damn it, unclear again, you peen the shaft all around in order to slightly stretch it to a longer length. I just know the folks in the gub thread are going to love this post.
Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 09:55 PM (9hXN1)

What I might try is to epoxy a thin disc of steel shim stock into the divot where the pin seats. This would have the same effect as lengthening the pin, but would be reversible.

I guess I will call it a night for this thread, too. Thanks!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 05, 2021 10:03 PM (P3gRi)

516 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 05, 2021 10:03 PM (P3gRi)
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You bet. Nice to have you contributing! Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at December 05, 2021 10:07 PM (0IeYL)

517 WWII guns -
Nambu. Good for minute of neck at contact range.

Posted by: Phuk Ho Le at December 05, 2021 10:10 PM (E2qgW)

518 452 You can resize with the 308 Win die just fine for a 7.62x51, However, if you are firing reloads in a semi auto, I recommend using a small base resizing die--it works the brass more but you do not worry about it chambering.

Brass life in semi autos is more limited anyway by the poor brass being roughly loaded and ejected.

Posted by: whig at December 05, 2021 09:30 PM (9hXN1)


Thanks, that's the die I have.

Posted by: Javems at December 05, 2021 10:28 PM (AmoqO)

519 "so they know who you are, where you are, and everything else.
Posted by: confederatefifth at December 05, 2021 08:19 PM (K3ZCc)"

Realistically they already know, unless you *and* your friends all have superhuman restraint in what you talk about in front of any of your phones, tablets, TV's, game consoles, and laptops... *and* you also have the same restraint in not taking your phones with you to the gunshop, or having your phone around anyone who does.

But +1 to not making it any easier for them

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at December 05, 2021 11:26 PM (++emK)

520 That's quite a find the 1911 machine pistol.

And it's not some messed up grinding of the sear or some such.

Nice.

Posted by: jakee308 at December 06, 2021 12:58 AM (iDOB7)

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