Gun Thread: Three Days After Thanksgiving Edition!

Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

So what's up? Did everyone have a nice Thanksgiving? Did you have a nice meal and remember to give thanks? I am extremely blessed in life and I take every opportunity to give thanks for all that I have. Despite all of our problems, I sincerely believe I hit the jackpot on Day 1 simply by being born in this country. I also think I'm pretty damn lucky to have the opportunity to write the Gun Thread every week and to hang out here with so many of you. Yep, very blessed, indeed.

With that, let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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So next up on the ol' holiday calendar is Christmas, which many of you will recall is a time for receiving gifts. While some of the best gifts are those given to you, sometimes you have no alternative than to give gifts to yourself, which brings us to the topic for today. I was recently asked for a recommendation on selecting a rifle by someone falling into this latter category. I get this question a lot, and in order to provide a useful answer, some additional information is needed. Specifically, questions regarding the anticipated use and the budget must be answered.

Budget
The budget part is the easiest so let's get that out of the way first. In short, if you can't afford it, then don't buy it. A nice custom rifle with high quality optics will cost you $5,000 or more. Likely much more. It also may be that spending a lot is completely unnecessary as we'll see later. It's common for shooters suffering from sticker-shock to try and find corners to cut which virtually always ends in disappointment, then the subsequent purchase of the more expensive component they should have bought in the first place. Buy once, cry once some smart person has said. If your budget is $500, then look for a nice rifle in the $500 range. My dad always told me to buy the best thing you can afford and then take care of it which I think is great advice.

Anticipated Use
This is where things can get a little complicated. No single rifle really does everything well. My match guns for example are really good at making small groups from a long way away, but are wildly inappropriate for hunting or plinking or just about anything else due to their size, weight and the cost and effort involved in making custom ammunition, among other factors. They do one thing really well and that's it. In the particular case of my friend, he was looking for a hunting rifle that could occasionally be used as a target rifle. These are not necessarily completely incompatible uses, but some compromises will need to be made, mostly having to do with barrel length and profile.

Another consideration I'll put here is ammunition and caliber. In this example my friend does not currently reload but may start in the not-too-distant future, so commercial ammunition availability is something of a consideration now. There is no point in getting something chambered in any exotic caliber if you do not reload and cannot find ammo, or cannot source components if you do reload. Regarding cartridge selection, there is no point in getting something chambered in the most favored long-range caliber of the week if all of your shooting is going to be done inside 600 yards. That's like putting racing tires on your otherwise stock 1968 Beetle, and just doesn't make much sense.

I should also mention something about managing expectations. I have said this before, and I'm saying it again. In my experience, most shooters are better off investing in their marksmanship skills before anything else. That means time spent on the practice range shooting, and perhaps the occasional help of an instructor. For general hunting and target practice at mid-range, you do not have to go all bananas and over-the-top in your rifle selection, unless you really want to. Save the money for practice and lessons. If a super-deluxe extra-fine quality carved walnut stock is your thing, then go for it., ut if it's a rifle for general use, I always recommend keeping things simple and basic.

The Recommendation?
So all things considered, what did I recommend? A Savage bolt gun chambered in .308 Winchester. A new Savage Model 110 can be had at or below $1,000, and in my experience is plenty accurate straight out of the box. There are several models to choose from within the 110 family offering a great deal of flexibility. Add a decent NightForce scope and quality base and rings and you're in business. Why .308 Winchester and not something more exotic? The cartridge is very well suited for both hunting and target shooting applications, and decent quality ammunition can usually be found. It's also a relatively forgiving cartridge for reloaders when it's time for that.

There are no doubt many ways to approach answering this question, and I am sure we'll hear a few of them tonight. What's your opinion and what would you recommend?

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Up first we have a report from or pal Xenophon who shares a scary day on the range qualifying for his department.

Back in October, I took a certification course to become a rifle instructor for my department (~350 sworn if that matters). I've been assigned this particular rifle for around 10 years, and by this point probably had around 6k rounds through it, all factory ammunition, no hot rounds, tracer, etc.

Day 4, towards the end of the day, so already around 200 through it. Training specifically was on reloads, 4 mags loaded with five rounds, concentrating more on form and fluidity of reloads than accuracy of shots. Magazine number 3 went basically crack, crack, BOOOOOF.

Big cloud of smoke, stinging pain in my face. Blood coming from my mouth. Instructor and everyone around me calls cease-fire with varying degrees of horrified shout. I was surprised how calmly I was able to set it down on the barrel in front of me, couldn't put it on safe, couldn't eject the mag. It's out in the pictures, we had to partially disassemble the gun to get it out.
Best guess; one of the cartridges was a REALLY hot round. The bolt was still locked in the star-chamber, so a ton of gas went down either the gas tube or simply back through the bolt, blowing off the bottom of the bolt carrier, snapping the upper receiver at both the pivot and the rear takedown, blowing the rest of the gas out of the bottom of the magazine (causing it to bulge as you can see, and bending the dust cover out) along with the rest of the rounds in the mag.
The charging handle and extended release hinge blew back and hit me in the face, giving me a minor cut on my upper lip that stopped with gauze and pressure after about a minute. Initially thought I'd need stitches and that it went through my upper lip, turns out it was just a good cut that bled (like a stuck pig, ba dum bum tish).
Armorer and range master said this was the worst they'd ever seen. We never did get the bolt out, it got sent back to Smith & Wesson for Xrays and they hopefully will be able to tell what happened. Armorer looked down the barrel (remarkably intact) and said he could see the bolt face, so the brass apparently disintegrated (it definitely didn't eject). The barrel wasn't deformed or flowered, so I don't think it was obstructed.
Pass on my new philosophy why there's no such thing as an Eye Protection Nazi, only people with experience. And shooting handguns is for fun, shooting long guns is for therapy.

Holy Shitballs! Damn, bro! I really appreciate your sending this in. It's a not-so-subtle reminder to wear eye protection! There is usually no way to tell when this might happen and you go home blind and with a trigger sticking out of your forehead. Fortunately, Xenophon wasn't seriously injured. Thanks for sharing this story!

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Q: Who has been to the range?
A: Why, our pal Ed L has been to the range!

The revolver is a 1949 Colt Officers' Model Target in .22LR. I picked this up earlier this summer at Chantilly for $800 complete w/ original box and papers. As you can see, it shoots just fine at 10 yards. The sights are a bit low. The action is similar to the original Python, with a very light single action trigger and a heavier, stacking double action trigger. A previous owner added a front strap to the grip to improve their grip for a larger hand.

Rechecked the zero on this AR. It's a Colt LE6920 SOCOM that came with Knights Armament quad rails and MATECH backup iron sights. I added the vertical grip, B5 SOPMOD stock, and Aimpoint Comp M4S red dot sight. I bought the vertical grip and Aimpoint M4S for my last deployment to Afghanistan. The Aimpoint lived up to its reputation; one AA battery got me though the whole deployment. I bought the rifle after I came back more as a memento rather than a SHTF scenario. I changed my mind about it last year.

Here are the results. Range is 25 yards from a standing position using 5.56 mm M193 55 grain ammo. Best group is the torso target. The biggest downside of this setup is the weight. The SOCOM heavy barrel, plus quad rails, really piles on the pounds. Holding the rifle steady for a 25 yard standing shot gets hard after the first couple of shots. Total weight of my setup is over nine pounds (7 for the rifle, 1 for the Aimpoint, 1+ for the stock and vertical grip). It's ironic that the M4 replaced the M16 to save weight, but all those gains and then some have all been given back for more attachments on the rifle.

Excellent report, Ed L, and very nice shooting! Thank you! I'm a big fan of revolvers, but also like the look of the rifle. Very well done. Appreciate it!

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Next, we hear from our pal No Name Nobody who shares a range report on a day of shooting on his organic tree farm!

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I'm a long-time lurker in good standing. Attached is the picture from the day at the range on the family farm. Yes, I too am an organic tree farmer.
I bought the Extar EP-9 after Blaster's report. I've been looking for an H&K SP5 style weapon for a long time that didn't cost an arm and a leg and this one fits the bill. I figured for $600 bucks with the optics, I'd take the chance. I love this firearm so far. My little brother and I ran about 200 rounds through it yesterday. It ran like a sewing machine. Not one misfeed, failure to eject or misfire.

I tried out Blaster's recommended $30 Gaialoop red dot. Does not work outside with sunshine and high sky. The dot just disappears. So I bought a Vortex 1X prism scope with an etched reticle. Has 5 brightness settings for either green or red reticle for varying light conditions. A bit more than 30 bucks, but it's a very nice optic.

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This is the last silhoutte target of the day after zeroing the scope. These were shot from 15 yards. I used the 17 round mag that comes with the firearm from Extar firing at the center mass "X" and my little brother used a 15 round glock mag that I purchased yesterday and shot at the "X" in the head area.
Looks like co-witness puts the rounds a little low after the zero. I'll be shooting again and adjusting in the very near future. That is I would be shooting again and adjusting in the very near future if not for the tragic boating accident on the way back to the house from the farm.

Nice shooting and great report N3! I hope you'll check in again with a follow-up after you have had a chance to shoot it some more. Thank you for the report, thanks for de-lurking, and welcome to the Gun Thread!

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Our pal MW in Texas shares a link to an auction where the proceeds benefit High School seniors headed for college. Looks like a ton of great stuff. Check it out!

This is an auction organized by the Scholastic Clay Target Program (SCTP) that raises money for scholarships for graduating seniors that have participated in school shooting competitions.

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Gun Basics 101
This week we have a review of the Shield Plus from the She Equips Herself girl. Also covered are some concealment considerations.

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Cigar of the Week

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This week we return take a look at the Ramon Allones Heritage. Handmade in Nicaragua, these are very well constructed medium to full bodied cigar at around $4.50 each. Weasel approved.

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Our pal, delightful 'ette and TXMoMe Prize Wenchlin-duh shares a great new target design!

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM

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1 Bang!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at November 28, 2021 07:00 PM (2SdPm)

2 Gun Thread!

Yea!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at November 28, 2021 07:00 PM (9pLmn)

3 Cool, time to read content.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at November 28, 2021 07:00 PM (2SdPm)

4 Let's not be non-nooders now.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 28, 2021 07:01 PM (a3Q+t)

5 On target!

Posted by: Diogenes at November 28, 2021 07:01 PM (axyOa)

6 First!

Posted by: Rancherbob at November 28, 2021 07:01 PM (gtu9W)

7 akmost
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Posted by: Rancherbob at November 28, 2021 07:02 PM (gtu9W)

8 Lots of content tonight

Posted by: Skip at November 28, 2021 07:03 PM (2JoB8)

9 Hello the camp! Smelled the seegar smoke and coffee boiling from way back yonder.

Not much to tell this week, but I'd be obliged if I can sit by the fire for a spell and listen to the yarns.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at November 28, 2021 07:04 PM (dcPFn)

10 8 Lots of content tonight
Posted by: Skip at November 28, 2021 07:03 PM (2JoB

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Sorry - still didn't get a chance to make the vid. Soon though!

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 07:06 PM (0IeYL)

11 Rancherbob, you been hanging around Sponge too much.
Missed ya today.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 28, 2021 07:07 PM (wN0fu)

12 RancherBob!!!

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 07:07 PM (0IeYL)

13 I wonder if my range will let me get away with a target like.that?

Posted by: Diogenes at November 28, 2021 07:07 PM (axyOa)

14 No range time.

Moving.

Also pricing new gun safes as we're not taking existing with us.

Wife is adamant I get a new safe ASAP.

Naturally, with much complaining, moaning, and groaning, I have complied with her wishes. (okay, I may have made up that last bit wherein I mentioned complaining)

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at November 28, 2021 07:08 PM (2SdPm)

15 Ed L's rifle is much like the one I'd like to have. Eventually I'll 1) have one custom made to mirror the M4 I was issued for a deployment or 2) I'll build the thing myself. Just depends.

There were some good Black Friday gun sales but I could not take part this year. Soon....

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at November 28, 2021 07:08 PM (CdZ4i)

16 Yay Weasel and the esteemed GT

Loaded mags is all I did this week

Posted by: Zeera Hunkering down here, Boss at November 28, 2021 07:09 PM (0pv1a)

17 Mmmmmm No Name's carbine just makes me want to destroy my checking account

Posted by: Draki at November 28, 2021 07:10 PM (op5te)

18 Ya'll don't mind Weasel's greasy pizza fingers all over the thread.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 28, 2021 07:10 PM (wN0fu)

19 Holy Canoli Xenophon!!! Glad you came out of that relatively unscathed.

Evening everyone! Has anyone tired of leftovers yet?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 28, 2021 07:10 PM (mcfjc)

20 Glad you're okay, xenonphon. That's, umm, quite the experience, to say the least.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at November 28, 2021 07:10 PM (2SdPm)

21 Good evening gub threaders! Stand by for range report of the NoVa Moron Gun Club.

I see that someone (No Name Nobody, if that IS your real name) got an EP9. I am glad you are pleased! Now, pick up some funsticks! Mwahahaha!

Posted by: blaster at November 28, 2021 07:11 PM (mbFEM)

22 The "misfire" story/pictures has about a dozen ideas running through my limited brain about why that would happen and none of them are good.

Posted by: weirdflunky at November 28, 2021 07:12 PM (cknjq)

23 YAY! Gun Thread!

Posted by: GWB at November 28, 2021 07:12 PM (Gcsm/)

24 Weasel!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 28, 2021 07:12 PM (kTF2Z)

25 Ya'll don't mind Weasel's greasy pizza fingers all over the thread.
Posted by: Ben Had at November 28, 2021 07:10 PM

Goes with the Eau d'Hoppe's No. 9.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 28, 2021 07:12 PM (a3Q+t)

26 Note the EP9 is technically a pistol, and that is a stabilizing brace. But it is functionally a PCC.

Posted by: blaster at November 28, 2021 07:12 PM (mbFEM)

27 >>> 19 Holy Canoli Xenophon!!! Glad you came out of that relatively unscathed.

Evening everyone! Has anyone tired of leftovers yet?
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 28, 2021 07:10 PM (mcfjc)

This.

I think I would have needed new pants.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 28, 2021 07:12 PM (llON8)

28 25 Ya'll don't mind Weasel's greasy pizza fingers all over the thread.
Posted by: Ben Had at November 28, 2021 07:10 PM
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I used a napkin!

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 07:13 PM (0IeYL)

29 Xxenonphon, really glad to hear you came through with only minor injuries.
Can you relate why, after years of commercial ammo, the reloads were used?

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at November 28, 2021 07:14 PM (9pLmn)

30 Thanks for the gun thread, Weasel.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 28, 2021 07:14 PM (7bRMQ)

31 Looks like a 300 blackout round was mixed in with the 5.56.

Posted by: Nevada Dave at November 28, 2021 07:14 PM (hYS32)

32 Wish i could learn to shoot something on the fly. Can't afford to learn now with .410 shell prices.

Posted by: Ronster at November 28, 2021 07:14 PM (KIq3v)

33 WEASEL!!!!

Posted by: Rancherbob at November 28, 2021 07:14 PM (gtu9W)

34 lin-duh needs to market that target

Posted by: Skip at November 28, 2021 07:15 PM (2JoB8)

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30 Thanks for the gun thread, Weasel.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 28, 2021 07:14 PM (7bRMQ)
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You bet!

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 07:15 PM (0IeYL)

36 I was lucky enough to see examples of 7, 4, 2 and 1 this weekend:
https://is.gd/6VkKby

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 28, 2021 07:16 PM (llON8)

37 Decent sales on Black Friday on gun stuff. No time for range due to both weather and preparing senior relatives legal and financials for long term care. Maybe this week.

Been away from home so long that I was glad that the spousal unit showed up with the doggies for Thanksgiving.

Posted by: whig at November 28, 2021 07:16 PM (9hXN1)

38 I missed the part about the hand loads. Is that what was being fired?

Posted by: weirdflunky at November 28, 2021 07:16 PM (cknjq)

39 That skateboard used to be an innocent hostage, but has become completely immersed in Stockholm Syndrome.

Corrective dosage is take one Rittenhouse, and call the Coroner in the morning.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 28, 2021 07:17 PM (QzJWU)

40 Wish i could learn to shoot something on the fly. Can't afford to learn now with .410 shell prices.
Posted by: Ronster at November 28, 2021 07:14 PM

Given it's a fly, have you considered one of those salt guns?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 28, 2021 07:17 PM (a3Q+t)

41 Good evening everyone. Thank you Weasel for the thread once again. No range time this week but spent some time pulling together tools in readiness to begin another AR project. Nothing fancy - just a good, straight-forward build.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 28, 2021 07:17 PM (mD/uy)

42 lin-duh should see if IDPA will pick up that target design.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at November 28, 2021 07:17 PM (2SdPm)

43 NoVa Moron Gun club report: attendance - sra blaster and myself, Hrothgar, Ed L., Stinky's Daddy (I am to understand that Stinky is a cat), Iris, and sharon(willow's apprentice). Much fun was had by all.

I am like the Jack Nicholson Joker when Ed L. shows up with his magic box and say "Where does he get all those magnificent toys?!" Today he brought out a Benelli M4. I have always been sort of ambivalent on semi-auto shotguns. Not this one. I love Love LOVE it! sra blaster handled the 12 ga with no problem at all. The gas action eats that recoil. The indoor range let us shoot .00. It just made me laugh the pattern at 10 yards!

Posted by: blaster at November 28, 2021 07:17 PM (mbFEM)

44 Reread. Ah

Posted by: weirdflunky at November 28, 2021 07:17 PM (cknjq)

45 I love "She Equips Herself."
A cutie pie. Never expect she not only knows way around a firearm, but will take you out in a heartbeat.

If I carried, it would be my Walther PPQ 9mm. It's a bigger pistol, but I'm a bigger girl than she is.

Love seeing women who aren't waiting for someone else to save them.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 28, 2021 07:17 PM (U2p+3)

46 Posted by: Tonypete at November 28, 2021 07:17 PM (mD/uy)
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Howdy Tonypete!

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 07:18 PM (0IeYL)

47 Crazy story Xenophon. I've never seen anything like that either. Glad you were safe with the eye pro.

Posted by: Draki at November 28, 2021 07:18 PM (op5te)

48 Good evening, horde!

Speaking of Christmas, today I picked up a Colt AR15A4 5.56. I had to buy it for myself, because straw purchase is illegal, but Mr. April is going to be all kinds of surprised when he opens my rifle on Christmas morning.

Posted by: April -- dash my lace wigs! at November 28, 2021 07:18 PM (OX9vb)

49 I could not help but read the post first.

Posted by: RI Red - KfzQO at November 28, 2021 07:18 PM (3cgs3)

50 Question. Why all the love now for the .308 vs the 30-06? I have both but haven't used the .308 enough to make a judgment. Plus my .308 is a completely different firearm.

Posted by: Javems at November 28, 2021 07:18 PM (ct0hB)

51 Jeez Louise Xenophon! Glad you were not badly hurt.

Whoever did the reloads had some bad juju.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 28, 2021 07:19 PM (R/m4+)

52 have you considered one of those salt guns?

I have one. Distance is a problem.

Posted by: Ronster at November 28, 2021 07:19 PM (KIq3v)

53 I so want an AR style rifle. Bloody NYS unSAFE act prevents me from having what I would like.

Just to give you an idea of what they are fearful of here is what is banned on a rifle:

Folding or Telescoping Stock, Protruding Pistol Grip
Thumb hole Stock, 2nd hand grip or Protruding grip that can be held by non shooting hand
Bayonet Mount, Flash Suppressor
Muzzle Brake, Muzzle Compensator
Or a threaded barrel designed to accommodate the above
Grenade Launcher

My BP rises everytime I see this.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 28, 2021 07:19 PM (mcfjc)

54 I own a 5.56. 300 BO is too close for comfort. Like a 20 in a 12 Ga. Mixing ammo that causes bore obstruction scares the hell out of me.

Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at November 28, 2021 07:19 PM (0OmEj)

55 I've seen pistol mags blown out the bottom of a Glock, along with the trigger assembly disappearing, but, a rifle blowing up?

That's one I much prefer to read about than experience in any way shape or form.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at November 28, 2021 07:19 PM (2SdPm)

56 I'm packing that Nicaraguan cigar brand in the back of my mind. They look legit.

Posted by: Draki at November 28, 2021 07:19 PM (op5te)

57 Guns! Early guns, even!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 28, 2021 07:19 PM (eeRB6)

58 49 I could not help but read the post first.
Posted by: RI Red - KfzQO at November 28, 2021 07:18 PM (3cgs3)
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You some kind of troublemaker?

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 07:20 PM (0IeYL)

59 Oh. And range report.

Took Marine ratched's Henry lever action .22 rifle. Shot at 25 yards. It's such a fun plinker!!!

Then did some rapid fire with the PPQ.

Mark brought his .12g pump shotty. I love shotguns. They are a hoot to fire. Instant gratification.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 28, 2021 07:20 PM (U2p+3)

60 Speaking of Christmas, today I picked up a Colt AR15A4 5.56. I had to buy it for myself, because straw purchase is illegal, but Mr. April is going to be all kinds of surprised when he opens my rifle on Christmas morning.
Posted by: April -- dash my lace wigs! at November 28, 2021 07:18 PM (OX9vb)

weirdwife did the same. That was a shockingly awesome Christmas. Especially, if the Mr doesn't know.

Posted by: weirdflunky at November 28, 2021 07:21 PM (cknjq)

61 32 Ronster, you can still do some skull work. Pick up Ed McGivern's Fast and Fancy Revolver Shooting. Ed would use revolvers to do his trick shooting and he outlines how to do what he did.

Tom Knapp and Herb Parsons were the guys in exhibition shotgun shooting. You should be able to find youtube.

Posted by: whig at November 28, 2021 07:21 PM (9hXN1)

62 Ed L. Also brought an XM177 which is old school AR Carbine. Pew pew! Hrothgar brought his AR and the famous Browning pistol which now shoots with the right ammo! swa brought her Glock 44 and she and Iris each rented pistols swa a Walther PPQ M2 in 9mm and Iris ended up on a S ampersand W something or other in .22 after another rental jammed on her. I brought an AR15 pistol and my EP9 - along with funsticks this time!

Posted by: blaster at November 28, 2021 07:21 PM (mbFEM)

63 56 I'm packing that Nicaraguan cigar brand in the back of my mind. They look legit.
Posted by: Draki at November 28, 2021 07:19 PM (op5te)
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They're really good!

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 07:21 PM (0IeYL)

64 Thanks, Weasel. What a good contact level. I want to make a suggestion for you G48 'people', Shield Arms 15 round mag. That's correct, fifteen rounds in a 10 round single stack frame pistol. No, I don't know how they make it fit but fit it does indeed, and flush where your pinkie finger rests. I have not been to the range with it yet, later on that one.

Posted by: Eromero at November 28, 2021 07:22 PM (0OP+5)

65 AR boom is scary.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 28, 2021 07:22 PM (uXonU)

66 Question. Why all the love now for the .308 vs the 30-06? I have both but haven't used the .308 enough to make a judgment. Plus my .308 is a completely different firearm.
Posted by: Javems at November 28, 2021 07:18 PM (ct0hB)
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Short action versus long action. 30.06 is considered a long action cartridge. The 30.06 cartridge was designed before the advent of the powders were currently enjoy. Once powder technology improved, the .308 was born.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at November 28, 2021 07:22 PM (2SdPm)

67 Range report, feel free to skip:
After my IDPA performance, I was not happy with how well I and my XD45 performed at longer range (15 ~25 yards). So this week, I decided to do more long range, two shot drills.

Long story short, the XD45 performed very well, the issue was me, of course. The drills helped and I got some very tight two shot groups....when I paid attention to trigger press. I think my wider shots were due to jerking the trigger.

Also did some more shotty testing with the Stevens 320 (buy one, seriously. Buy two or three maybe, great gun and inexpensive). The shotgun performed fine but the damn flashlight would not stay on and frequently would switch off when shooting. It just can't handle the recoil of a 12 gauge. I need a new flashlight, clearly. The mount is solid, no trouble there, at least.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 28, 2021 07:23 PM (eeRB6)

68 .50 cal Traditions Hawken Woodsman came in. Haven't had a chance to shoot it yet.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 28, 2021 07:23 PM (uXonU)

69 She is nice to watch

Posted by: Skip at November 28, 2021 07:23 PM (2JoB8)

70 I was glad that the spousal unit showed up with the doggies for Thanksgiving.

*fist bump*

Posted by: Barry O. at November 28, 2021 07:24 PM (nfrXX)

71 66 Once powder technology improved, the .308 was born.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at November 28, 2021 07:22 PM (2SdPm)

And the people REJOICED!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 28, 2021 07:24 PM (mcfjc)

72 68 .50 cal Traditions Hawken Woodsman came in. Haven't had a chance to shoot it yet.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 28, 2021 07:23 PM (uXonU)

They are a kick to fire, not to mention an attention getter at the range.

Posted by: Javems at November 28, 2021 07:25 PM (ct0hB)

73 I had an excellent morning at the range Monday. I got home to find an email from Faxon with an offer I couldn't refuse. 6mm Creedmoor barrel paired with a discounted(no foreword assist groves) BGG at a price I couldn't refuse. It checked ALL of the right boxes 24", 1 in 8 twist, a nitrided stainless, button barrel. Ok, here's my cc#. Next I went shopping for upper and lowers and stopped by my local shop to tell them I wanted to use them as an FFL. They had a beautiful Aero upper and lower in stock. He said, it's the last one(with an evil grin) as I was pulling my wallet out. 10 minutes later I was walking out with upper, lower and a lower parts kit. All of the rest of the parts have been ordered and start arriving Wednesday. The parts shortage is over.

Posted by: ck at November 28, 2021 07:25 PM (iBg56)

74 Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 07:21 PM (0IeYL)

Don't think I've had a Nicaraguan cigar yet, but I'm always getting Costa Rican ones. They're neighbors so they can't be that different......

Posted by: Draki at November 28, 2021 07:25 PM (op5te)

75 Thanks whig.

Posted by: Ronster at November 28, 2021 07:25 PM (KIq3v)

76 Sooo - the funsticks. OMG the EP9 just shoots. Pew pew! sra blaster just completely obliterated a 4 inch target at 10 yards. Gone. The whole thing.

And a word about Hrothgar. The brother can shoot. DO NOT CROSS HIM AT ANY DISTANCE. No matter what he picks up, he just hits the bullseye. Cold.

Posted by: blaster at November 28, 2021 07:25 PM (mbFEM)

77 And now, a musical interlude from a competitive shooter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhm-cHA1e-Q

(No, I am not kidding. She posts some range outings on her FB page. I forget the exact gun she uses, but it is a Tanfoglio.)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at November 28, 2021 07:25 PM (CdZ4i)

78 xenonphon had a "blast" at the range, and not in a good way.

I've seen blown out brass cases, head separations, split cases, you name it. But I've never seen a catastrophic blowout like that one, and I've been shooting since the early 1970s.

Glad you only got nicked, sir. And THANK YOU for sharing the story and the photos. Instructive for all of us, and in the good way. Good way being, we haven't had to suffer your pain for the learning. Please do let us know what's discovered in the metalogical post-mortem and other examinations? Thanks!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 28, 2021 07:25 PM (QzJWU)

79 Yeah, I think everyone is saying what I'm thinking about the 'splodey gun.
1. Holy cow!
2. Glad you're alright.
3. Glad that wasn't me!

Posted by: GWB at November 28, 2021 07:25 PM (Gcsm/)

80 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 28, 2021 07:19 PM (mcfjc)

New Ruger Mini-14 or Kel-Tec RDB Survival an option for you?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 28, 2021 07:26 PM (eeRB6)

81 Pennsylvania you can buy a firearm and give it to a close family member like parent, sibling or spouse.
It was like that a few years ago and don't think it changed.

Posted by: Skip at November 28, 2021 07:26 PM (2JoB8)

82 Xenophon, glad you weren't seriously hurt.

Had probably my best range day yet this Friday. Had the place to ourselves again. First I shot the S&W "Combat Masterpiece" .22 revolver that I like so much. Next I shot Jesse's Beretta 9mm. This is one of our home defense gubs so I need to know how to operate it. I got most shots on paper and some close to where I was aiming, which is good by my standards. Finally I shot a .38 revolver that is sort of a twin to the "Combat Masterpiece." It was a police weapon and modified at some point. I couldn't believe how well I shot it, even better than the .22. We got to chitchat with Range Master Roy to wrap up a fantastic range outing.

This weekend marks 1 year since my first pistol training class, which led me to start posting here, which led me to meet Jesse. I have much to give thanks for this year.

Posted by: screaming in digital at November 28, 2021 07:26 PM (kTRt4)

83 Posted by: Draki at November 28, 2021 07:10 PM (op5te)

You can easily do that depending on manufacturer. But the Extar EP-9 in the picture is very affordable and technically it's a "pistol" for various definitions of pistol. :-)

Posted by: No Name Nobody at November 28, 2021 07:26 PM (Xqlct)

84 Took Marine ratched's Henry lever action .22 rifle. Shot at 25 yards. It's such a fun plinker!!!

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 28, 2021 07:20 PM (U2p+3)

Can someone even be an American without a lever gun?

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 28, 2021 07:26 PM (7bRMQ)

85 By the way, weasel, great thread, as usual. The exploding AR is a bit unnerving, by the way.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at November 28, 2021 07:27 PM (2SdPm)

86 weirdwife did the same. That was a shockingly awesome Christmas. Especially, if the Mr doesn't know.
Posted by: weirdflunky

Truly! It wouldn't be as much fun if he knew it's happening.

I can't wait to learn to shoot it myself, too, for that matter.

Posted by: April -- dash my lace wigs! at November 28, 2021 07:27 PM (OX9vb)

87 The AR boom is the stuff of nightmares.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at November 28, 2021 07:27 PM (CdZ4i)

88
Can someone even be an American without a lever gun?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 28, 2021 07:26 PM (7bRMQ)
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Some might say the same about the M1.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at November 28, 2021 07:27 PM (2SdPm)

89 I so want an AR style rifle. Bloody NYS unSAFE act prevents me from having what I would like.

Just to give you an idea of what they are fearful of here is what is banned on a rifle:

Folding or Telescoping Stock, Protruding Pistol Grip, Thumb hole Stock, 2nd hand grip or Protruding grip that can be held by non shooting hand, Bayonet Mount, Flash Suppressor, Muzzle Brake, Muzzle Compensator. Or a threaded barrel designed to accommodate the above
Grenade Launcher
My BP rises everytime I see this.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude

Sadly, not one of those things affects function.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 28, 2021 07:28 PM (uXonU)

90 Blaster's EP9 may be what gets me in trouble with my accountant, even though it is obviously a legitimate business expense for Hrothgar's Consulting Services!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Comrades, if only Comrade Fauci knew! ~ at November 28, 2021 07:28 PM (hOUT3)

91 Practice your concealed carry.
Carry a gun on your person then invite a friend to see if they can spot where it is.
If they can spot it, up your game.
Practice sitting with it, standing, reaching for a high shelf, etc.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 28, 2021 07:28 PM (jTmQV)

92 Can someone even be an American without a lever gun?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 28, 2021 07:26 PM (7bRMQ)

Looks down. Kicks dirt.

But the Henry Big Boy X is in my color wheel.

Posted by: blaster at November 28, 2021 07:28 PM (mbFEM)

93 Long story short, the XD45 performed very well, the issue was me, of course. The drills helped and I got some very tight two shot groups....when I paid attention to trigger press. I think my wider shots were due to jerking the trigger.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 28, 2021 07:23 PM (eeRB6)

That's great to hear. I need so much more work with pistol. Think I'll need to find some drills like you've found.

Posted by: Draki at November 28, 2021 07:28 PM (op5te)

94 Hi Weasel
Thanks once again for a great thread.
Your cigar of the day is quite nice. Mine is an Alibi, handmade in Esteli. Not cheap for my budget but very tasty maduro.

Posted by: Winston, GOPe, not one dime, not one vote at November 28, 2021 07:28 PM (fpRbZ)

95 Why all the love now for the .308 vs the 30-06?

A few things off the top of my head. Short action so generally speaking, stiffer to aid accuracy. Pretty much equal ballistics with ~10% less powder. NATO standard so easy availability.

Posted by: Barry O. at November 28, 2021 07:28 PM (nfrXX)

96 Always buy what you want and don't be scared off by the price. You will spend more on ammo and optics than you spend on the rifle anyway.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) has a headache at November 28, 2021 07:28 PM (OYUie)

97 /sock

Posted by: Oddbob at November 28, 2021 07:29 PM (nfrXX)

98 She is nice to watch

Posted by: Skip at November 28, 2021 07:23 PM (2JoB

Was scrolling fast, read comment as she is nice to wash. I'd bet she is....

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 28, 2021 07:29 PM (7bRMQ)

99 Can someone even be an American without a lever gun?
Posted by: OrangeEnt

It was a present for his 10th birthday!
We take it out to the forest and shoot stuff. Dixie cups, oranges, overripe squash......

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 28, 2021 07:29 PM (U2p+3)

100 Posted by: Winston, GOPe, not one dime, not one vote at November 28, 2021 07:28 PM (fpRbZ)
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My pleasure! Happy to see you here.

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 07:29 PM (0IeYL)

101 If I carried

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 28, 2021 07:17 PM (U2p+3)

You should.
But, I know, that conversation has been had.

Posted by: GWB at November 28, 2021 07:29 PM (Gcsm/)

102 BTW, not to threaten anyone's position re their accountant, but EP9s are in stock:

https://www.extarusa.com/shop/pistols/ep9

Posted by: blaster at November 28, 2021 07:30 PM (mbFEM)

103 Howdy Weasel, Howdy all other participants in gun nuttery.
Happy thanksgiving to all!!
SiD and I went to the range Friday as becoming our custom. I brought my stainless Ruger 10/22 carbine and some Norma Tac 22 ammo
I was shooting at close range, just seeing if it was still sighted in OK after the long trip to Corsicana.
It was. I think I did some of my best shooting ever
I shot 50 rounds, 2 mags for 20, raised the scope, 3 more 10 round mags.
The 7 ring on this target is 3 inches in diameter. Counting the fliers(2), all are in the 7 ring, and a quarter covers 80% of all shots in each pattern.
I quit shooting after that, don't think I could top that.
I watched SiD tear up her targets after that.

Posted by: jesse in dc at November 28, 2021 07:30 PM (kTRt4)

104 Javems,

The main advantage to the 30-06 v. . 308 Winchester is a bit more range and a bit more authoritative bullets may be used. The same powder improvements for the 308 have improved the 06 as well which will always hold more powder than a 308 due to a bigger cartridge.

Now, competitive shooters wanting to wring out the last bit of accuracy will generally favor the .308 or other more esoteric cartridges. Some believe it the 308's shorter action length makes it more accurate, others like the bit shorter lock time and bolt operation. At normal ranges, your target will probably not notice.

If you want modern semi auto battle arms like the AR pattern, etc. then the 30-06 is left in the cold.

Posted by: whig at November 28, 2021 07:30 PM (9hXN1)

105 I can't argue with Weasel's suggestion of a 308 rifle. The Savage has a good reputation and the round is proven for both hunting and targets.

I'm rather frugal (read that as cheap) and I take a different approach from most folks. I don't hunt anymore and if I started again it would be with muzzleloaders. And I don't do formal competition, which frees up my choices.

My approach is to try to get the best accuracy I can out of any gun I like which is why they are in the arsenal to begin with. 100 yards with a 22lr single action revolver? Why not. 200 yards with a 22 magnum from the same Ruger Single-Six? Sure. Same with 41 magnum and 45 Colt. Or 200 yards off hand with a single shot 45-70 rifle and black powder cartridges.

I'm doing this for fun and seeing how far good technique and enjoyable, careful reloading can take me.

Posted by: JTB at November 28, 2021 07:31 PM (7EjX1)

106 Grenade Launcher

My BP rises everytime I see this.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 28, 2021 07:19 PM (mcfjc)

Oh heck, just buy the grenade launcher and don't tell anyone.

Posted by: GWB at November 28, 2021 07:31 PM (Gcsm/)

107 Thank you for the thread, weasel.

Always a lovely conversation on a Sunday night.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 28, 2021 07:31 PM (U2p+3)

108 Opening weekend tally on my property:

1 8 pointer and 6 doe.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 28, 2021 07:31 PM (Pw26M)

109 Posted by: nurse ratched at November 28, 2021 07:31 PM (U2p+3)
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Thank you! Always nice to have you here!

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 07:32 PM (0IeYL)

110 You can easily do that depending on manufacturer. But the Extar EP-9 in the picture is very affordable and technically it's a "pistol" for various definitions of pistol. :-)
Posted by: No Name Nobody at November 28, 2021 07:26 PM (Xqlct)

Yeah, it definitely doable for my budget, but gonna have to save some still.

I'm looking at moving to NY sometime so I'll prolly have to settle for a PC carbine that uses pistol ammo too. Prolly gonna have to skip the EP-9 over the laws......

Posted by: Draki at November 28, 2021 07:32 PM (op5te)

111 Choosing a rifle, cartridge and scope is all about managing expectations. No one weapon will do it all. Buy the best you can afford for the job you are doing.

Posted by: Nevada Dave at November 28, 2021 07:32 PM (QtEmc)

112 BTW, Xenophon, I'm really glad you didn't have to stick a thumb in it.

Posted by: GWB at November 28, 2021 07:32 PM (Gcsm/)

113 If you intend to hunt regularly as a major use or can afford to put more budget later into regular practice, 308 can make sense for an inexpensive bolt gun (Savage being a great example). Ammo may be easier to find and barrel life is 3-4x the more modern calibers.

But if you only have the cash for the rifle and 200-300 rounds to zero and then stash for a rainy day or for your kids' rainy day... 6.5CM all day long, or 260 in a pinch. It has no-bs 50% more effective range over the 308 and is a clear winner for an important shot.

Posted by: somedood at November 28, 2021 07:32 PM (Gcdtg)

114 Cigar content:

I had a Leaf by Oscar today. They're unique in that the individual cigars are wrapped in a tobacco leaf and not cellophane as many cigars are today. It's a bit weird looking at first, but I highly recommend the cigars as they are very tasty. You can get a "tasting kit" with 4-5 different blends at FOX cigar if you so desire.

Gun content:

I was able to shoot my Ruger PC-9 Carbine the other day with the new Magpul "backpacker" stock setup. The unique features; a cut out in the stock to store the breakdown barrel and a pocket in the stock for an extra mag. At about 50 yards and with an aftermarket Glock 22 round mag, nothing outside the 8 ring.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 28, 2021 07:32 PM (BFigT)

115 If you want modern semi auto battle arms like the AR pattern, etc. then the 30-06 is left in the cold.
Posted by: whig at November 28, 2021 07:30 PM (9hXN1)
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Ahem.

https://tinyurl.com/yckzyr27

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at November 28, 2021 07:32 PM (2SdPm)

116 Some might say the same about the M1.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at November 28, 2021 07:27 PM (2SdPm)

This is true.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 28, 2021 07:33 PM (7bRMQ)

117 Prolly gonna have to skip the EP-9 over the laws......
Posted by: Draki at November 28, 2021 07:32 PM (op5te)

From their site: We do not ship to the following states: CA, CT, HI, MA, NJ, or NY.

Posted by: blaster at November 28, 2021 07:33 PM (mbFEM)

118
Sadly, not one of those things affects function.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 28, 2021 07:28 PM (uXonU)

They do not know and do not care.

Just listening to that babbling idiot, the 3D live action version of Butt-head, Beto Pancho, candidate for TX gov.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at November 28, 2021 07:33 PM (CdZ4i)

119 The skater target is just so perfect.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) has a headache at November 28, 2021 07:34 PM (OYUie)

120 105 I can't argue with Weasel's suggestion of a 308 rifle. The Savage has a good reputation and the round is proven for both hunting and targets.

Avoid the Savage .308. I bought one brand new and it misfires 50% of the time. It is a known issue with those rifles for over a decade. I have to take it to a gunsmith to have it tweaked. If I send it back to Savage, they may or may not fix it.
I bought a Franchi .308 and it fires like a dream.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 28, 2021 07:35 PM (Pw26M)

121 Question. Why all the love now for the .308 vs the 30-06? I have both but haven't used the .308 enough to make a judgment. Plus my .308 is a completely different firearm.
Posted by: Javems at November 28, 2021 07:18 PM (ct0hB)

I like and shoot both. 30-O6 in my Garands, Springfields and Eddystone and .308 in my Polytech S-14, BM-59, FALs and Cetmes.

Why limit yourself. Enjoy!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 28, 2021 07:35 PM (R/m4+)

122 One of the best movies you've probably never heard of.
"Sometimes a great notion"
Henry Fonda , Paul Newman

Posted by: Idahonian at November 28, 2021 07:35 PM (hD2j4)

123 .50 cal Traditions Hawken Woodsman came in.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 28, 2021 07:23 PM (uXonU)

Yay! Any issues with the look/feel of it out of the box?

Posted by: GWB at November 28, 2021 07:35 PM (Gcsm/)

124 From their site: We do not ship to the following states: CA, CT, HI, MA, NJ, or NY.
Posted by: blaster at November 28, 2021 07:33 PM (mbFEM)

I think Martini Farmer would say I should just get the Ruger PC carbine.....

Posted by: Draki at November 28, 2021 07:36 PM (op5te)

125 80 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 28, 2021 07:26 PM (eeRB6)

NYS does not consider the Ruger mini 14 to be an "Assault Weapon" so that is good. I am looking at the Kel Tec and it might be possible. Would have to remove threads on the barrel and the stock may have to be pinned.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 28, 2021 07:36 PM (mcfjc)

126 It was a present for his 10th birthday!
We take it out to the forest and shoot stuff. Dixie cups, oranges, overripe squash......

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 28, 2021 07:29 PM (U2p+3)

That's about what I use mine for. Plinking. But it's so very fun and cheap to shoot! Sadly, haven't used it for a year or more....

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 28, 2021 07:37 PM (7bRMQ)

127 This weekend marks 1 year since my first pistol training class

Posted by: screaming in digital at November 28, 2021 07:26 PM (kTRt4)

Happy Anniversary!

Posted by: GWB at November 28, 2021 07:38 PM (Gcsm/)

128 Posted by: Lol at November 28, 2021 07:37 PM (GrVvC)

Awwwwww. Dude. We have been completely pnwed! Pack it in!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 28, 2021 07:38 PM (Pw26M)

129 I have a Savage Axis in 30-06 that is sadly neglected....but I haz my reasons....apart from the shooting range not allowing me to shoot it.

When I work the bolt, my thumb bashes against the barrel of the optic. After a couple of repeats of this, I stop getting amused. And trying to work the bolt in a different fashion is awkward and I keep forgetting to do that.

I'm thinking about either getting an iron sight bolt gun or maybe a Scout config if I want to spend a grand or two...which I don't. But I might.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 28, 2021 07:38 PM (eeRB6)

130 Good evening, Weasel and Horde! Off to read content...

Posted by: Ed L at November 28, 2021 07:38 PM (NacE+)

131 Avoid the Savage .308. I bought one brand new and it misfires 50% of the time. It is a known issue with those rifles for over a decade.

I have not heard this. Do you have a source?

Posted by: Oddbob at November 28, 2021 07:39 PM (nfrXX)

132 Who let the 12-year-old in?

Posted by: April -- dash my lace wigs! at November 28, 2021 07:39 PM (OX9vb)

133 115, Well yeah Blake, if you want to lay down 2500. Noreen's niche is oddball semi autos just like Stag's is left handed AR's For that amount of cash, I would rather buy Ohio Ordnance's BAR semi autos.

One of the issues with oddball firearms are the mags and firearm parts are most usually proprietary. Olympic used to make some AR's in unusual calibers as did Bushmaster with the .30 AR. Now people with them are more or less stranded without parts and service on these firearms.

Posted by: whig at November 28, 2021 07:39 PM (9hXN1)

134 Yikes! Xenophon kinda sorta dodged a bullet, but only because it was pointed the other way.

One of our local ranges bans anything other than factory loads. This was conveyed with a sign and below it they had a S&W 686 with the cylinder blown open and the top strap missing.

Apparently the reloader used the wrong kind of powder and managed to blow up a .357 Magnum! Most of the blast went up, so no casualties, but reloads really are "caveat emptor" territory.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 07:39 PM (llXky)

135 Sadly, not one of those things affects function.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 28, 2021 07:28 PM (uXonU)

TECHNICALLY, the grenade launcher does. At least, if you have grenades for it.

Posted by: GWB at November 28, 2021 07:39 PM (Gcsm/)

136 Ignore the troll please. I'll deal with it.

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 07:39 PM (0IeYL)

137 Weasel, thank you for the content. Hope the puppies are okay.
Really interesting. I need to get some better glasses. A new friend, we went shooting clays last weekend, he showed me that the cheap pair of glasses I do have, they have Z87 molded near the temple hinge. Shows that they are okay for regular impact. During our shooting, a clay pigeon disintegrated coming out of the machine, did not get me as some of it ricocheted into where I was shooting. But still happy I had my glasses. Friend suggested some Oakleys. Maybe I will get some.

Posted by: MikeM at November 28, 2021 07:39 PM (mgCYE)

138 Short action versus long action. 30.06 is considered a long action cartridge. The 30.06 cartridge was designed before the advent of the powders were currently enjoy. Once powder technology improved, the .308 was born.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at November 28, 2021 07:22 PM (2SdPm)

Brass is definitely different. Haven't re-loaded the .308 yet, just got the dies a while back. Primer and powders are impossible to find.

Posted by: Javems at November 28, 2021 07:40 PM (ct0hB)

139 lin-du

Very cute. Will steal!

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 28, 2021 07:40 PM (u82oZ)

140 I have not heard this. Do you have a source?
Posted by: Oddbob at November 28, 2021 07:39

Yeah... me and my Savage Axis that misfires 50% of the time and a DDG search of "savage 308 misfire" and YT videos explaining how to fix the savage misfire issue.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 28, 2021 07:40 PM (Pw26M)

141 Troll target up at mYxVQ.

Range is fouled. Repeat, Range is FOULED!

Mad Minute on troll, Stand By! Are Shooters Ready? Ready on the Right. Ready on the Left. Line is Ready.

Shooters, Commence FIRE!

*watches troll vaporize in puff of pink mist*

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 28, 2021 07:41 PM (QzJWU)

142 110 I'm looking at moving to NY sometime so I'll prolly have to settle for a PC carbine that uses pistol ammo too. Prolly gonna have to skip the EP-9 over the laws......

Posted by: Draki at November 28, 2021 07:32 PM (op5te)

Why in the world would you want to move here? I have lived here my whole life and I cannot wait to leave this hell hole (I live in NYC) and get to Free America. See my comment above on what NY bans in regards to rifles.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 28, 2021 07:41 PM (mcfjc)

143 You can also search "Savage light primer strikes"

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 28, 2021 07:41 PM (Pw26M)

144 IGNORE the troll please. I'll handle it.

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 07:41 PM (0IeYL)

145 BTW, as a safety feature, my glasses use polycarbonate lenses. Much safer than the regular glass lenses I had in younger days. And there is no forgetting to wear them. Unless the target is only four inches away I need them to see it.

Posted by: JTB at November 28, 2021 07:41 PM (7EjX1)

146 Posted by: whig at November 28, 2021 07:39 PM (9hXN1)
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You have to admit, though, it's a pretty firearm.

Yeah, I know it's pricey, but, can one really put a price on fun?

Oh, wait, yes, yes you can, it's $2,500 bucks.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at November 28, 2021 07:42 PM (2SdPm)

147 Grenade Launcher

My BP rises everytime I see this.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 28, 2021 07:19 PM

The US Army gave me a grenade launcher in 1975, I got very good with it during the next three years I was in.

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at November 28, 2021 07:42 PM (bVYXr)

148 Weasel, I have something I would like you to try. There is a company that makes a pad that mitigates concussion, as in you can drop a golf ball on it and it will not bounce. I would like you to try it for recoil effect.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 28, 2021 07:42 PM (wN0fu)

149 rickb did you get bullet mold for it?
On my to-do list I want to get a round ball for a 50cal

Posted by: Skip at November 28, 2021 07:42 PM (2JoB8)

150 I am looking at the Kel Tec and it might be possible. Would have to remove threads on the barrel and the stock may have to be pinned.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 28, 2021 07:36 PM (mcfjc)

A new production Mini-14 might be the best bet. Kel Tec has a RDB or two that may not need to be pinned, the Survival and the Hunter.

Sorry to hear about the NY blues, man.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 28, 2021 07:42 PM (eeRB6)

151 When I work the bolt, my thumb bashes against the barrel of the optic.

Would something like this help?

https://www.midwayusa.com/product /1005121758?pid=674002

(remove space after "product")

Posted by: Oddbob at November 28, 2021 07:42 PM (nfrXX)

152 148 Weasel, I have something I would like you to try. There is a company that makes a pad that mitigates concussion, as in you can drop a golf ball on it and it will not bounce. I would like you to try it for recoil effect.
Posted by: Ben Had at November 28, 2021 07:42 PM (wN0fu)

IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE I COULD HAVE USED SOMETHING LIKE THIS!!

Posted by: Ben Roethlisberger at November 28, 2021 07:43 PM (csEWM)

153 More on reloads: A friend of mine with zero common sense likes to buy gun show reloads and then feed them into his cut-rate S&W clones. All well and good until something bad happened.

A few weeks back he was blazing away with this totally unsafe garbage when we noticed that the report of the rounds were totally inconsistent - mild with one shot and then a gout of flame with the next. We suggested he might want to stop using it, but instead he just began firing it off like a lunatic.

His very last round was a pop and no kick. Bullet lodged just beyod the cylinder. If that particular round had come up any earlier, he'd have had one hell of a problem.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 07:44 PM (llXky)

154 30-06 vs 308? You can shoot a 308 out of a rifle with fuel injection and an automatic transmission. 30-06 is pretty much limited to stick shifts and carburetors.

Posted by: ck at November 28, 2021 07:44 PM (iBg56)

155 My understanding is that the. .308 cartridge was developed by the military to reduce the weight of ammunition being carried into battle and allow for more rounds to be carried. There are a million arguments about which is surperior

Posted by: rancherbob at November 28, 2021 07:44 PM (gtu9W)

156 When I work the bolt, my thumb bashes against the barrel of the optic.

Would something like this help?

https://www.midwayusa.com/product /1005121758?pid=674002

(remove space after "product")
Posted by: Oddbob at November 28, 2021 07:42 PM (nfrXX)

Maybe? I'll look into it, thanks

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 28, 2021 07:44 PM (eeRB6)

157 If you want modern semi auto battle arms like the AR pattern, etc. then the 30-06 is left in the cold.
Posted by: whig at November 28, 2021 07:30 PM (9hXN1)

So... looking at specs for each, it appears the 30-06 is much longer. I was (before seeing that) wondering if an AR-10 could take the 30-06 (with the correct chambering and bolt and such). I guess not.

Posted by: GWB at November 28, 2021 07:44 PM (Gcsm/)

158 We have a porno troll?

Well, that's certainly different.

But, I guess when one lives in Mom's basement and hasn't worked a real job ever, that's the best one can do.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at November 28, 2021 07:45 PM (2SdPm)

159 You can also search "Savage light primer strikes"

Is it a matter of weak striker springs?

Posted by: Oddbob at November 28, 2021 07:45 PM (nfrXX)

160 120 Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 28, 2021 07:35 PM (Pw26M)

Will disagree with you on this. I bought a Savage 110 Tactical about 3 years ago. Put at least 500 rounds or more through it before I had a problem chambering a round. Gunsmith diagnosed it as a "tight chamber". Sent rifle back to Savage and they fixed the problem.
Have put at least 300 to 400 rounds through since without a problem.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 28, 2021 07:45 PM (mcfjc)

161 Please ignore the troll.

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 07:46 PM (0IeYL)

162 The US Army gave me a grenade launcher in 1975, I got very good with it during the next three years I was in.

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at November 28, 2021 07:42 PM (bVYXr)
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It took me three tries to qualify on rifle in Army basic.

With thrown hand grenades, I was something of a natural. Go figure.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 07:46 PM (llXky)

163 Xenephon, if you are still here, to do what you are saying must have taken nearly 100k psi or so to melt or fragment the cartridge head. I am curious if your reloader is using powder loads light enough for a double charge to occur because that is what it looks like. A binary load might do it too if the reloader did not clear the powder measure and mixed pistol and rifle powder as a result. The other possibility might be a squib round leaving one in the barrel so the next round had pressure built up with nowhere to go. That is about the main two possibilities that could generate that kind of kaboom.

Your PD might want to specify powder type in the future to prevent this occurrence as some powder types overflow if double charged and prevent full seating of a bullet.

Posted by: whig at November 28, 2021 07:47 PM (9hXN1)

164 Weasel, thanks for the excellent thread!

Good evening to you all. I found a source for primers (new local friend) and so now have everything I need to start reloading .45 ACP and .223 Remington. It's taken me 11 months to get set up. Equipment was easy. Brass was challenging. Powder was hard. Primers were damn near impossible. I appreciate the coaching and hand holding from a number of you here, especially Weasel.

Posted by: Muad'dib at November 28, 2021 07:48 PM (QHqf9)

165 My unit in the army had more firearms assigned than we needed for the personnel. So I could pretty much take my pick. I carried a 1911 and an M203. Because say hello to my little fren.

Posted by: blaster at November 28, 2021 07:48 PM (mbFEM)

166 Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd

Charlie Upham, VC and bar, loved hand grenades. He has an entire haversack of them when he led his platoon into battle on Crete.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 28, 2021 07:48 PM (u82oZ)

167 Howdy, fellow gub 'rons and 'ettes! Xenophon, happy to hear that you're OK - those are some scary pictures.

And thanks as always to our host Weasel, who is probably too busy troll-squashing to read this.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at November 28, 2021 07:49 PM (Agr8U)

168 150 Sorry to hear about the NY blues, man.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 28, 2021 07:42 PM (eeRB6)

Less than 6 years to go until retirement and I move down south. Something tells me I will be spending a few $$$$ once I get to Texas and try to make up for all those years I was restricted. LOL

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 28, 2021 07:49 PM (mcfjc)

169 I always wanted to fire one of those weird grenade thingies, where you slide a water-bottle rocket looking grenade onto the end of a rifle barrel, fire, and the grenade goes flying off into splodey land.... I have no idea what those things were ever called. But they looked like fun.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 28, 2021 07:50 PM (6FeV1)

170 1. Holy cow!
2. Glad you're alright.
3. Glad that wasn't me!
Posted by: GWB at November 28, 2021 07:25 PM (Gcsm/)

Second that!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 28, 2021 07:50 PM (P3gRi)

171 169 I always wanted to fire one of those weird grenade thingies, where you slide a water-bottle rocket looking grenade onto the end of a rifle barrel, fire, and the grenade goes flying off into splodey land.... I have no idea what those things were ever called. But they looked like fun.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 28, 2021 07:50 PM (6FeV1)

Rifle grenades?

Posted by: Ben Roethlisberger at November 28, 2021 07:51 PM (csEWM)

172 Oh, wait, yes, yes you can, it's $2,500 bucks.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at November 28, 2021 07:42 PM (2SdPm)

Same as in town.

Posted by: GWB at November 28, 2021 07:51 PM (Gcsm/)

173 @169 they are called rifle grenades

Posted by: blaster at November 28, 2021 07:51 PM (mbFEM)

174 /off sock

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2021 07:51 PM (csEWM)

175 Also, now is a great time to buy ammo. Lots of 'Black Friday' sales still on, likely through to Tuesday.

I picked up some .357 mag and 12g buckshot.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 28, 2021 07:51 PM (eeRB6)

176 146 Blake, I have to admit that I think of MSR pattern rifles as tools as I prefer bolt actions and wood. Have them, just finishing an LR308 build, but not that sexy to me.

Same as full auto never really interested me, got to shoot full auto for Uncle Sam and that was enough. Never got the itch to do full mag dumps because I know what it does to the rifle and the barrel.

Posted by: whig at November 28, 2021 07:51 PM (9hXN1)

177 120 ... Cat Ass Trophy,

I have a Savage bolt action, their basic model, in .308. It has been completely reliable with commercial ammo and my reloads.

Posted by: JTB at November 28, 2021 07:51 PM (7EjX1)

178 Warai-otoko

Rifle grenades.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 28, 2021 07:52 PM (u82oZ)

179 I use my 300 Blackout upper for both target and hunting. I'm not exactly going to matches and I like to practice with what counts when dinner is standing broadside to me at 60 yards... which is what happened two weeks ago.

Wife and I walked up on a decent sized 4 pointer and her eyes were watering so she told me to take the shot. Buck was elevated, but not by much and within the 100 yard zero I had on the scope. Put the green dot right behind the shoulder blade and pulled the trigger.

Buck ran off, no blood, no nothing. I was cursing myself because there is no way I should have missed that shot.

So on Friday I went to the range, checked the zero. It was off by a little but not enough to cause me to miss. I need more practice clearly.

Wife also had a dud round where there was clearly an imprint on the primer from the firing pin but no bang. That was scary. Thankfully my club has metal dud round boxes at every station. That went in the box QUICK.

Posted by: Defenestratus at November 28, 2021 07:52 PM (+u9cj)

180 162 The US Army gave me a grenade launcher in 1975, I got very good with it during the next three years I was in.

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at November 28, 2021 07:42 PM (bVYXr)

I ran an M-79 range at Ft. Gordon, GA back in early 1970. Loads of fun.

Posted by: Javems at November 28, 2021 07:52 PM (ct0hB)

181 "What are those grenades you use with a rifle called?"

"Rifle Grenades. Dumbass."

Heh. OK, so I figured they had a more creative name than that, whatever, big whoop.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 28, 2021 07:52 PM (6FeV1)

182 The US Army gave me a grenade launcher in 1975, I got very good with it during the next three years I was in.

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at November 28, 2021 07:42 PM (bVYXr)
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It took me three tries to qualify on rifle in Army basic.

With thrown hand grenades, I was something of a natural. Go figure.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 07:46 PM

I couldn't hit $hit throwing a grenade in basic and barely qualified but when they gave me an M203 grenade launcher when I got to the 3rd ID in Germany I was literally Chuck friggin Norris, I couldn't miss with that thing.

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at November 28, 2021 07:52 PM (bVYXr)

183 Practice your concealed carry.
Posted by: gourmand du jour
Yup. She equips herself, the girl in the video above, she has Twenty days of concealed carry. I have not watched, but I guess it is 20 videos showing the various challenges of trying to carry.

Posted by: MikeM at November 28, 2021 07:53 PM (mgCYE)

184 Geez, all you talking about running grenade launchers back in the day makes me want to have one. ;-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 28, 2021 07:54 PM (mcfjc)

185 Practice your concealed carry.
Carry a gun on your person then invite a friend to see if they can spot where it is.
If they can spot it, up your game.
Practice sitting with it, standing, reaching for a high shelf, etc.
Posted by: gourmand du jour

Words to live by. I experienced a bit of an issue today at church. I had my EDC in an OWB holster covered up by a long top coat since it was cold this morning. A bit into the service one of the ushers was clearly trying to get my attention but doing so in a very quiet manner. Long story short - my top coat was swept back had become hooked behind my holster during all the kneel/standup/sitdown/fight fight fight that us Catholics are known for. No one else noticed that I am aware of and it was not an issue. But still - ugh.

Our town is reasonably okay with open carry (legal in OH) but still - very bad form and totally my fault.

I prayed three Prayers to St. Michael the Archangel as my penance.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 28, 2021 07:54 PM (mD/uy)

186 169 I always wanted to fire one of those weird grenade thingies, where you slide a water-bottle rocket looking grenade onto the end of a rifle barrel, fire, and the grenade goes flying off into splodey land.... I have no idea what those things were ever called. But they looked like fun.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 28, 2021 07:50 PM (6FeV1)

when I was a kid my best christmas present was when my dad got me a plastic gun with one of those on it, it was called The Screaming MeeMee, made this wild wailing sound that made my brother jump when I shot it at him. (mom was never amused by that)

I looked on the net to see if anyone remembered that thing, and found this!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeSpk6YQw4o

yeah nobody would ever sell something like that today.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 28, 2021 07:55 PM (evAgx)

187 Same as full auto never really interested me, got to shoot full auto for Uncle Sam and that was enough. Never got the itch to do full mag dumps because I know what it does to the rifle and the barrel.
Posted by: whig at November 28, 2021 07:51 PM (9hXN1)
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I'm with you, I like pretty furniture, but, I've also, grudgingly, had to admit that synthetic stocks aren't as sensitive to weather as wood.

Ah well.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at November 28, 2021 07:55 PM (2SdPm)

188 Well, back later, I hope.

Need to go take care of family bidness.

Til then.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at November 28, 2021 07:56 PM (2SdPm)

189 I prayed three Prayers to St. Michael the Archangel as my penance.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 28, 2021 07:54 PM (mD/uy)

You were trying to go for the old west gunfighter, ready for trouble look.

Never know when one of the old ladies with the head scarf is going to try to make off with the collection plate.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2021 07:56 PM (csEWM)

190 When my third ship was transited to Subic Bay from San Diego, we has practice on the fantail.

One slightly built sailor was hitting the flight deck coaming, which was way too low. The ricochets missed everyone. We were in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Good times.

I think I told my chief to make her repaint the dings.

Hand weapons were not our strength.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 28, 2021 07:57 PM (u82oZ)

191 Blaster, if you're looking to relive your misspent youth, Lewis Machine and Tool does have M203's in a variety of different models for sale. Prices start around $2,200 to around $4,500. You'll have to play with NFA/destructive device paperwork, though.

Posted by: Ed L at November 28, 2021 07:57 PM (NacE+)

192 A thought about the post below re: Multi-generational 2A destruction:
While Constitutional carry is becoming more common, it may be a feature rather than a bug for the other side, as it will likely manifest in more self-defense shootings that they can exploit.

Posted by: David Groenier at November 28, 2021 07:57 PM (DwnPl)

193 I prayed three Prayers to St. Michael the Archangel as my penance.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 28, 2021 07:54 PM (mD/uy)

Heh. And one reason I carry IWB (for now) and tucked. Of course, you're getting a shot off before me if something bad happens....

Posted by: GWB at November 28, 2021 07:58 PM (Gcsm/)

194 155 My understanding is that the. .308 cartridge was developed by the military to reduce the weight of ammunition being carried into battle and allow for more rounds to be carried. There are a million arguments about which is surperior

Posted by: rancherbob at November 28, 2021 07:44 PM (gtu9W)

Just looked on the internet and read that. Shorter brass made the difference in the end. Mine is a 7.62 x .51 really.

Posted by: Javems at November 28, 2021 07:58 PM (ct0hB)

195 A quick search as CAT suggested above turned up a couple of threads pointing a finger at the Accutrigger. Which is disappointing because I've always thought that it was one of the better factory triggers I've seen and helped push other makers away from lawyer triggers. So, yeah, there may be some there there. Nothing that can't be fixed of course, but still a bummer.

Posted by: Oddbob at November 28, 2021 07:58 PM (nfrXX)

196 I always wanted to fire one of those weird grenade thingies, where you slide a water-bottle rocket looking grenade onto the end of a rifle barrel, fire, and the grenade goes flying off into splodey land.... I have no idea what those things were ever called. But they looked like fun.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 28, 2021 07:50 PM (6FeV1)

Here is a place which sells rubber practice grenades.

All you need is a rifle that is set up to shoot live grenades and pow, whiz, fun! They fly about 50-75 yards and let you practice using your grenade sights.

Yugo SKS will work. Use regular blank rounds. I have shot them with 7.62 x 39 blanks out of a Yugo SKS and they work great.

https://tinyurl.com/2cv29y7d

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 28, 2021 07:58 PM (R/m4+)

197 I always wanted to fire one of those weird grenade thingies, where you slide a water-bottle rocket looking grenade onto the end of a rifle barrel, fire, and the grenade goes flying off into splodey land.... I have no idea what those things were ever called. But they looked like fun.

The Panzerfaust. It was a lot of fun, just not for the guys in the turret.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 28, 2021 07:59 PM (VxC1e)

198 Sharkman's Wish List:

1. https://tinyurl.com/Colt-Navy-1911
2. https://tinyurl.com/AntiFa-Head-Popper
3. https://tinyurl.com/Hitlers-Buzzsaw
4. https://tinyurl.com/CQB-Zombie-Killer
5. https://tinyurl.com/Colt-M4-Carbine

Once I move to NE FL next year, I'm making it my life's mission to obtain one (1) ea. of the listed weapons.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 28, 2021 08:01 PM (M8yB3)

199 Words to live by. I experienced a bit of an issue today at church.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 28, 2021 07:54 PM (mD/uy)
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Generally I like a pocket carry because it's hard to screw up, but last year I was using a more, uh, robust posture and as a result I would 'check myself' from time to time - mostly tugging down on the covering garments and using passive elbow pressure to keep them in place.

Of course, all my firearms were subsequently lost in a freak zip-line accident over a deep gorge, so the issue is moot.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 08:01 PM (llXky)

200 I did manage to capture no one, but two HOT cases in between my glasses and my eye area yesterday. I have a burn on my right eye.

Also got hot brass down the Boobs. Was wearing a zip up.

Not my day, apparently.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 28, 2021 08:01 PM (U2p+3)

201 Buck ran off, no blood, no nothing.
Posted by: Defenestratus
Damn.

Posted by: MikeM at November 28, 2021 08:01 PM (mgCYE)

202 https://tinyurl.com/2cv29y7d
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 28, 2021 07:58 PM (R/m4+)

That's fantastic

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 28, 2021 08:01 PM (6FeV1)

203 The Panzerfaust. It was a lot of fun, just not for the guys in the turret.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 28, 2021 07:59 PM (VxC1e)

Actually, I'm pretty sure the Panzerfaust was a single-shot bazooka-style weapon. Though it did _look_ like a rifle grenade, you got one shot and ran.

Posted by: GWB at November 28, 2021 08:01 PM (Gcsm/)

204 I think Martini Farmer would say I should just get the Ruger PC carbine.....
Posted by: Draki

Mine is a 1st gen model. It is heavy for a Carbine. The Magpul breakdown/backpacker (whatever) sheds some weight. The gun, by itself is pretty good for that 50 - 75 yard range or inside as it's 9mm... assuming you don't have close neighbors. Like I said up thread, I ripped off 22 or so rounds after the stock was replaced without re-zeroing the Venom red dot. Solid.

The gun's not for everyone. Many hate the profile of a Carbine... especially the Ruger. I like it because it will accept Glock mags with the included mag well adapter or mags for the Security 9, which I also own. If I had Glocks, which I don't, the options are quite varied.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 28, 2021 08:02 PM (BFigT)

205 Ed L. I was on a 203 range at Ft Jackson SC and was too far away to say something about the fact that the recruit about to fire had his rifle barrel over the top of the railroad tie barrier.

But not the grenade launcher barrel.

That orange powder went EVERYWHERE. The DS was not pleased.

No he was not.

Posted by: blaster at November 28, 2021 08:02 PM (mbFEM)

206 I keep going back to look at the pics of the self disassembled rifle. First, thank God you were not hurt Second, holy crap!!
I hope S and W gives you a decent report, as I sure as hell want to know what caused that.
Please share with us if you can.

Posted by: jesse in dc at November 28, 2021 08:03 PM (kTRt4)

207 nurse ratched

You were OK? Right? Right?

No scars or awkward burn marks?

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 28, 2021 08:03 PM (u82oZ)

208 Also got hot brass down the Boobs. Was wearing a zip up.

Here's where you really need a close friend with tongs.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 28, 2021 08:03 PM (VxC1e)

209 Posted by: Draki at November 28, 2021 07:32 PM (op5te)

The EP-9 shoots 9mm luger. It really is a pistol. The "stock" is actually a wrist brace. Just because I don't use it as such doesn't change what it is.

Posted by: No Name Nobody at November 28, 2021 08:04 PM (Xqlct)

210 200 I did manage to capture no one, but two HOT cases in between my glasses and my eye area yesterday. I have a burn on my right eye.

Also got hot brass down the Boobs. Was wearing a zip up.

Not my day, apparently.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 28, 2021 08:01 PM (U2p+3)

I've managed hot brass down the collar in the back of my neck a number of times, but ouch.

Posted by: Javems at November 28, 2021 08:05 PM (ct0hB)

211 200 Nurse Ratched,
Sorry about your injuries--hot brass is not fun.

If you go to sportsmansguide, they have a lot of military surplus from different nations. I bought some Bolle French military issue goggles that completely seal the face which are very comfortable to use. US has something similar as do some other nations and they also fit over existing prescription glasses comfortably.

They make excellent shooting glasses and also have sunglass inserts for shooting in bright lights.

The old mfg safety glasses with wings on the temples also can do the same thing.

Posted by: whig at November 28, 2021 08:05 PM (9hXN1)

212 Actually, I'm pretty sure the Panzerfaust was a single-shot bazooka-style weapon. Though it did _look_ like a rifle grenade, you got one shot and ran.

Posted by: GWB at November 28, 2021 08:01 PM (Gcsm/)
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Yeah, and when the Germans came up with the brilliant idea of firing one and then surrendering, Allied tank crews quickly taught them the error of their ways.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 08:05 PM (llXky)

213 Also got hot brass down the Boobs. Was wearing a zip up.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 28, 2021 08:01 PM (U2p+3)

You gotta stop dressing to impress at the range.

Posted by: GWB at November 28, 2021 08:05 PM (Gcsm/)

214 208 Here's where you really need a close friend with tongs.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 28, 2021 08:03 PM (VxC1e)

Who has time to wrangle the tongs, just reach down and extract. Then run for cover!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 28, 2021 08:06 PM (mcfjc)

215 And The skate boarder target is (insert chef's kiss gif here)

Posted by: No Name Nobody at November 28, 2021 08:06 PM (Xqlct)

216 this thread made me think about JoJo

-Mark Ruffalo

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at November 28, 2021 08:06 PM (h1jJh)

217 GWB

Potentially, a national treasure was in danger.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 28, 2021 08:06 PM (u82oZ)

218 The type of Rifle Grenade being discussed above, is a "Spigot" type launcher and compatible grenade. Was pretty much the norm, until the M-79 break-action, shotgun-type launcher, and the subsequent M-203 carbine/launcher system.

Nowdays, the sliding breech '203 type is pretty much the norm, and spigot systems are few and far between in modern military ToE's.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 28, 2021 08:07 PM (QzJWU)

219 Yeah, and when the Germans came up with the brilliant idea of firing one and then surrendering, Allied tank crews quickly taught them the error of their ways.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 08:05 PM (llXky)

"Yeah, he fired a rocket at us then made a 'touchdown' gesture for some reason. Didn't do it quite right though. Guess they don't have football over here. So we ran him over."

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 28, 2021 08:07 PM (6FeV1)

220 196 Posted by: Hairyback Guy

Glad you found a use for those Yugo SKS's with grenade sights. I avoided buying them versus a Ruski model because of that feature.

Posted by: whig at November 28, 2021 08:07 PM (9hXN1)

221 I have a buddy who got it in the cheek with hot brass and it left a permanent little half moon scar where it hit.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 28, 2021 08:07 PM (VxC1e)

222 You gotta stop dressing to impress at the range.
Posted by: GWB

HA! Nurse could wear a feed sack at the range and still impress.

And I mean that in the nicest way possible.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 28, 2021 08:07 PM (mD/uy)

223 Posted by: GWB at November 28, 2021 08:05 PM (Gcsm/)

Also, Nurse, wear a hat. They had nifty AoSHQ ones at the NoVaMoMe. That's *my* range hat. (I think it was Jesse in DC that gave me one of his winning tickets so I could get that.)

Posted by: GWB at November 28, 2021 08:07 PM (Gcsm/)

224 Catch Thirty-Thr33 at November 28, 2021 07:08 PM (CdZ4i)

FWIW, I think you're better off waiting. The Colt 6920 SOCOM is back in production (I saw several at the Chantilly show last week for $1,499 - MSRP), but Colt just issued a recall for bad hammers, which does include some of the 6920 SOCOM serial number range. See Colt's webpage for more details. I think waiting until the recall is over and those serial numbers get taken care of is the way to go here.

Posted by: Ed L at November 28, 2021 08:08 PM (NacE+)

225 gun-adjacent: Lazy Messenger mentioned getting into Airsoft. So I took some of my amazon bucks and bought an airsoft CZ p-07...we'll see how good it is for fun and training.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 28, 2021 08:08 PM (eeRB6)

226 Also got hot brass down the Boobs. Was wearing a zip up.

Not my day, apparently.
Posted by: nurse ratched

Yee-owch!

Posted by: April -- dash my lace wigs! at November 28, 2021 08:09 PM (OX9vb)

227 Hey Weasel, I know you're busy with troll patrol, but I sent you a gun review with pictures, so check yer email.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 08:09 PM (llXky)

228 I took the "reloads" verbiage for the account of the Gun That Went Splodey, not to be referring to "roll yer own" ammo, but some kind of reloading the gun itself drill? Could be wrong.

Bad deal though regardless.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 28, 2021 08:09 PM (NUalg)

229 A ball cap, yes I have one of the AOSHQ hats from Ladyl, would help. I'll start wearing one.

But, ask Mark, it was a day I should have bought a lottery ticket.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 28, 2021 08:10 PM (U2p+3)

230 221 I have a buddy who got it in the cheek with hot brass and it left a permanent little half moon scar where it hit.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 28, 2021 08:07 PM (VxC1e)

I have had hot brass almost literally everywhere on my body. That stuff gets everywhere. Don't wear baggy clothes, sandals and do wear underwear, always.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 28, 2021 08:10 PM (eeRB6)

231 Mrs EBS and I moved the 800 lb gun safe to the next room using a pinch bar and 4 pieces of .5 inch electrical conduit. Was mildly entertaining.

Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at November 28, 2021 08:10 PM (rI0Tt)

232 I will be spending a few $$$$ once I get to Texas and try to make up for all those years I was restricted. LOL
Posted by: Scuba_Dude

At least you know to build your bank account before the move!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at November 28, 2021 08:10 PM (9pLmn)

233 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 08:09 PM (llXky)
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Will do.

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 08:10 PM (0IeYL)

234 Also I will repeat that weasel is not just spouting a tag line when asking us if we have been to the range.

Shooting more often makes a huge difference. All members of the Moron Gun Club are getting to be decent shots if they were not already.

Posted by: blaster at November 28, 2021 08:10 PM (mbFEM)

235 But, ask Mark, it was a day I should have bought a lottery ticket.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 28, 2021 08:10 PM (U2p+3)

It's like it was a little, overheated homing missile

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 28, 2021 08:11 PM (eeRB6)

236 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 28, 2021 08:08 PM (eeRB6)

The airsoft guns really run the gamut, in terms of similarity to firearms. Some are nothing more than nerf guns with plastic bb's. Some are heavy duty, high power nasty buggers that will put an eye out. Some of each sort have better triggers than others.

And, no, I don't have enough experience to tell you which is which.

Posted by: GWB at November 28, 2021 08:11 PM (Gcsm/)

237 Actually, I'm pretty sure the Panzerfaust was a single-shot bazooka-style weapon. Though it did _look_ like a rifle grenade, you got one shot and ran.
Posted by: GWB at November 28, 2021 08:01 PM (Gcsm/)

That's how all the video games showed em, so it's gotta be bazooka-style!

Posted by: Draki at November 28, 2021 08:11 PM (op5te)

238 I went shooting years ago with a German lady who survived Berlin 1945. This was about 70 tears after she had a bad time.

Hot brass went into her shirt top, and she turned to the (handsome) RSO and asked for his help to get it out.

He immediately said yes, then remembered his wife, and said "Uh, you get it out" as we both turned away.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 28, 2021 08:11 PM (u82oZ)

239 Last time (28yrs ago?) I qualified rifle in the Navy was with a mounted grenade launcher on the rifle. Surprised it held pretty steady. Expert.

Posted by: Eromero at November 28, 2021 08:11 PM (0OP+5)

240 I have a buddy who got it in the cheek with hot brass and it left a permanent little half moon scar where it hit.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 28, 2021 08:07 PM (VxC1e)
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I get hit in the face and neck with hot brass all the time, but since I'm as weather-beaten as Charles Bronson, no one notices.

Oddly, people think I'm always angry and give me a wide berth, so I guess it works out.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 08:11 PM (llXky)

241 One advantage of .308 over 30-06 AT THE MOMENT is availability. The most common centerfire rifle calibers I see in ads from the usual suspects like MidwayUSA is .223/5.56 and 308. Been that way for over a year.

Posted by: JTB at November 28, 2021 08:12 PM (7EjX1)

242 241....

There's plenty of 7.62 X 51 military ball available as well. Surplus 30.06 has pretty much dried up.

Posted by: PacosMojo at November 28, 2021 08:14 PM (1Fv0G)

243 241 One advantage of .308 over 30-06 AT THE MOMENT is availability. The most common centerfire rifle calibers I see in ads from the usual suspects like MidwayUSA is .223/5.56 and 308. Been that way for over a year.

Posted by: JTB at November 28, 2021 08:12 PM (7EjX1)

Yeah, 30-06 is hard to find, and more expensive.

Posted by: Javems at November 28, 2021 08:15 PM (ct0hB)

244 I see Blaster reported the basics of The Moron Gun Club's range date but here's my part.
I rented a Walther PPQ M2 which I think is what Nurse shoots. Hey, Nurse, is that true?
This is hte first time I shot a 9mm and was not completely frustrated. Shot at 7 yds, wit shots grouped a little low but it turned out it was the gun and not me. The shots were all grouped so nicely I saved the targets. Had some great technical support from Stinky's Daddy. I really liked the gun but it did get away from me a couple of times. Want to try an S&W 9 before I make a decision on what to buy.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 28, 2021 08:15 PM (Y+l9t)

245 One advantage of .308 over 30-06 AT THE MOMENT is availability. The most common centerfire rifle calibers I see in ads from the usual suspects like MidwayUSA is .223/5.56 and 308. Been that way for over a year.

Posted by: JTB at November 28, 2021 08:12 PM (7EjX1)
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I'm seriously looking at .308 and I'm thinking a CETME would be both cost-conscious and feed my Spanish firearm obsession.

(What? You haven't read my best-selling book on the Spanish Civil War? Well, click my sig...)

Seriously though, friends have told me that anything other than a CETME will disappoint me. Arriba Espana!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 08:15 PM (llXky)

246 232 At least you know to build your bank account before the move!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at November 28, 2021 08:10 PM (9pLmn)

Currently it is in good shape and I am on or above my target. Of course it could all go kaplooey if Dementia Joe and the Ho want to raid retirements accounts.

I am thinking of having a 5 to 10k splurge in firearm related acquisitions. That would include gun safes, suppressors and other things. :-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 28, 2021 08:16 PM (mcfjc)

247 Glad you found a use for those Yugo SKS's with grenade sights. I avoided buying them versus a Ruski model because of that feature.
Posted by: whig at November 28, 2021 08:07 PM (9hXN1)

Yes Sir, they are a little front heavy but accurate for an SKS. A Russian or Chinese SKS feels like a sports car compared to it.

The Yugo's tried to hang everything they could on that rifle and somehow they made it work.

Nice piece of Cold War history.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 28, 2021 08:16 PM (R/m4+)

248 Panzerfaust was more a single use, disposable launcher thingee whereas the PIAT, Bazooka or the Panzerschreck were all meant to be more reloadable.

PIAT was a spring loaded thingee. Would you classify the Bazooka and the Panzerschreck as recoilless rifles?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2021 08:17 PM (csEWM)

249 200 ... "I did manage to capture no one, but two HOT cases in between my glasses and my eye area yesterday. I have a burn on my right eye.

Also got hot brass down the Boobs. Was wearing a zip up."

Nurse, Hope you are okay. Sheesh!

I won't go into the advantages of single shot firearms here. It might not be appreciated. :-)

Posted by: JTB at November 28, 2021 08:17 PM (7EjX1)

250 NaCly Dog @ 190 - Your story reminds me of an old Navy joke. The most dangerous thing is the world is a Marine with a rifle. The second most dangerous is a sailor with a rifle, but for completely different reasons.

Posted by: butch at November 28, 2021 08:17 PM (cHvOo)

251 Went back and REREAD the content!
And it made me miss the troll!

Range Report: Went to LGS yesterday and purchased my match ammo for the .22 Aspirin Shoot. Mrs. Red expressed interest in going (so long as she could sit in the heated car).
Alarm went off this am and we decided that below 20 degrees was much more conducive to pulling up the covers.
Mea culpa.
But I did spend much-needed time at the reloading bench.

Posted by: RI Red at November 28, 2021 08:18 PM (a8b7P)

252 There's plenty of 7.62 X 51 military ball available as well. Surplus 30.06 has pretty much dried up.

Posted by: PacosMojo at November 28, 2021 08:14 PM (1Fv0G)

Haven't checked the CMP lately but they usually have M-1 spec rounds when available. I wouldn't use those for bolt action rifles, would be a waste.

Posted by: Javems at November 28, 2021 08:18 PM (ct0hB)

253 Not a gun, but a gorgeous car:

https://tinyurl.com/3ua6m3pn

I always liked the high fender/headlight with the lower hood in between look.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2021 08:18 PM (csEWM)

254 Alas, I have to take my departure.

As Weasel knows I did go to the range and perhaps found a wonderful new caliber, but that story will wait for another day.

Thanks again, Weasel!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 08:18 PM (llXky)

255 I have a pair of Mossberg .308 bolties. They are very reasonably priced though many people say you get what you pay for there.

I haven't shot one and the other only 20 rounds. So can't really say how they really are. I have a Scout and a Patrol so they are premised on a General Purpose rifle.

Posted by: blaster at November 28, 2021 08:19 PM (mbFEM)

256 butch

True. As I proved at the MoMeet. Needed lots of skilled help to hit.

It does not help that I had a right-handed bolt action, and usually shoot it left handed.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 28, 2021 08:19 PM (u82oZ)

257 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 08:18 PM (llXky)
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Happy to do it!

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 08:19 PM (0IeYL)

258
I prayed three Prayers to St. Michael the Archangel as my penance.
Posted by: Tonypete

You chose the right Saint to ask for intersession!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at November 28, 2021 08:20 PM (9pLmn)

259 butch

I did not even own a cordless hole puncher until 2007, when bho showed we were going Commie in the US.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 28, 2021 08:21 PM (u82oZ)

260 I have not been to the range since I met up with CBD after the TXMoMe when I returned his rifle and pistol to him.

If I do not go to my outdoor range next weekend I might just go to the indoor one. It is much closer and it is INDOORS. With the weather getting colder and wetter I would rather be comfortable shooting my pistol than miserable shooting my rifle.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 28, 2021 08:23 PM (mcfjc)

261 253 Not a gun, but a gorgeous car:

https://tinyurl.com/3ua6m3pn

I always liked the high fender/headlight with the lower hood in between look.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2021 08:18 PM (csEWM)

Kinda, sorta resembles slightly, my old 1793 TR-6, almost.

Posted by: Javems at November 28, 2021 08:25 PM (ct0hB)

262 259 butch

I did not even own a cordless hole puncher until 2007, when bho showed we were going Commie in the US.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 28, 2021 08:21 PM
Salty, I started seriously looking at AR ownership November 2007.

Posted by: Eromero at November 28, 2021 08:25 PM (0OP+5)

263 And, no, I don't have enough experience to tell you which is which.
Posted by: GWB at November 28, 2021 08:11 PM (Gcsm/)

This looks like a licensed reproduction, with orange barrel, will report back on how it behaves.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 28, 2021 08:25 PM (eeRB6)

264 I prayed three Prayers to St. Michael the Archangel as my penance.
Posted by: Tonypete

You chose the right Saint to ask for intersession!
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron

St. Gabriel Possenti - Patron Saint of Handgunners

https://bit.ly/3liISG9

Posted by: rickb223 at November 28, 2021 08:25 PM (uXonU)

265 my old 1793 TR-6, almost.
Posted by: Javems at November 28, 2021 08:25 PM (ct0hB)

Were the brakes any better way back then?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2021 08:26 PM (csEWM)

266 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 28, 2021 08:16 PM (mcfjc)

I think you should plan on spending closer to $10k instead of $5k. If you decide to pick up something that's desirable right now (HK SP5, Benelli M4 LE/Tactical, Colt 6920 plus M203 come to mind), $5k is the price of entry these days.

Posted by: Ed L at November 28, 2021 08:26 PM (NacE+)

267 Xenophon doesn't seem to be around. I'm a rookie but I read his account as the 'reload' being swapping out mags using factory ammo rather than shooting hand reloads.

Which is all the scarier to think that a factory round, purchased by a PD, so probably not some "Lesteres discount ammo source did that.

Posted by: PaleRider. Yay long weekend at November 28, 2021 08:26 PM (3cGpq)

268 Salty, I started seriously looking at AR ownership November 2007.

I never even wanted an AR until Bill Clinton told me that I shouldn't have one.

Posted by: Oddbob at November 28, 2021 08:26 PM (nfrXX)

269 155 My understanding is that the. .308 cartridge was developed by the military to reduce the weight of ammunition being carried into battle and allow for more rounds to be carried. There are a million arguments about which is surperior

Posted by: rancherbob at November 28, 2021 07:44 PM (gtu9W)

Yes. All NATO nations wanted to reduce small arms weight and volume after WW2. All except the US Army were in favor of a "reduced power" cartridge compared to WW2 rifle ammo, after they got a look at the German STG-44 rifle and its "intermediate power" 7.92mm Kurz round. The first looks at the SKS and AK rifles firing the 7.62mm x 39 round reinforced this thinking.

However...the US Army wanted to keep using a "full-power" .30 cal small arms cartridge, developing what became the .308/7.62x51 cartridge. Even though rifles firing it in full-auto would not be very controllable. The story of how the .308 became the NATO standard in the Fifties, and how the US Army did everything it could to avoid adopting the FN/FAL instead of its preferred derivative of the M1 - the M14 - is long and tangled.

Here is a brief overview of the story

https://tinyurl.com/3cyk3e5r

Posted by: Gref at November 28, 2021 08:27 PM (AMIL/)

270 261 Kinda, sorta resembles slightly, my old 1793 TR-6, almost.

Posted by: Javems at November 28, 2021 08:25 PM (ct0hB)

How much horsepower? Or was it oxen back then?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 28, 2021 08:27 PM (mcfjc)

271 my old 1793 TR-6, almost.
Posted by: Javems at November 28, 2021 08:25 PM (ct0hB)

Dang, now that is a CLASSIC! Do you need a wainwright when you have a blowout?

Posted by: GWB at November 28, 2021 08:28 PM (Gcsm/)

272 Seriously though, friends have told me that anything other than a CETME will disappoint me. Arriba Espana!
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 28, 2021 08:15 PM (llXky)

Don't overlook a nice Spanish FR-8. .308 bolt action the Spaniards used as a in-between rifle until the Cetme self-loading rifle got up to production.

Usually will have nice, shiny bores as carried a lot but not shot much.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 28, 2021 08:28 PM (R/m4+)

273 Eromero

Yup. Look where we are now. Killing school children as revenge is passed off as not newsworthy, if you are a racist hater like a BLM career criminal.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 28, 2021 08:28 PM (u82oZ)

274 266 Posted by: Ed L at November 28, 2021 08:26 PM (NacE+)

10k it is!!!

It will be my retirement gift to myself.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 28, 2021 08:28 PM (mcfjc)

275 Weasel, thank you for your continued efforts in giving us a warm place to hang out with like-minded gun nuts.

Posted by: Cowboyneal at November 28, 2021 08:29 PM (U2zo0)

276 Posted by: JTB at November 28, 2021 08:17 PM (7EjX1)

Revolvers don't send spent casings flying around either (unless you want them to).

Posted by: Ed L at November 28, 2021 08:29 PM (NacE+)

277 St. Gabriel Possenti - Patron Saint of Handgunners

https://bit.ly/3liISG9
Posted by: rickb223

Obviously would be a fine choice as long as you're not a lizard (which actually saved lives!).

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at November 28, 2021 08:30 PM (9pLmn)

278 265 my old 1793 TR-6, almost.
Posted by: Javems at November 28, 2021 08:25 PM (ct0hB)

Were the brakes any better way back then?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2021 08:26 PM (csEWM)

Don't remember the brakes being a problem. Having the pistons rust in place after a month of sitting was a problem. Still loved it.

Posted by: Javems at November 28, 2021 08:30 PM (ct0hB)

279 I'm packing that Nicaraguan cigar brand in the back of my mind. They look legit.
Posted by: Draki at November 28, 2021 07:19 PM (op5te)
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They're really good!
Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 07:21 PM (0IeYL)
***

Adds to my stocking list.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 28, 2021 08:31 PM (axyOa)

280
Posted by: Cowboyneal at November 28, 2021 08:29 PM (U2zo0)
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You are very welcome! Nice to have you here.

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 08:31 PM (0IeYL)

281 Ed L @276 - Like those old Brit break top revolvers?

Posted by: butch at November 28, 2021 08:31 PM (cHvOo)

282 The Panzerfaust. It was a lot of fun, just not for the guys in the turret.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43)

I think he means the rifle grenade that we always see fired from the M1 Garand:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=161JT0WRVf4

Posted by: Sharkman at November 28, 2021 08:31 PM (M8yB3)

283 Goblins are looting hardware stores for looting tools. Expect to see more of that. Will they become brazen enough to loot gun stores?

Posted by: f'd at November 28, 2021 08:32 PM (Tnijr)

284 Weasel, I want to thank you again for an informative and entertaining gun thread. It is a nice way to end the weekend.

RI Red, did you get that email I sent you? Let me know what you think.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 28, 2021 08:32 PM (mcfjc)

285 OK, OK I get it. 1793 was not a good year for British cars.

Posted by: Javems at November 28, 2021 08:33 PM (ct0hB)

286 Hey, Scoobs!
Get yourself a Ruger Mini 14. Same round and capacity as an AR and it passes all the scary black rifle tests in the Blue Hellholes.
Same action as an M1/M14/M1A Socom, doesn't suffer the bolt fouling from direct gas impingement, and is fun to shoot. Not super accurate, but will do Minute Of Berm.

Posted by: RI Red at November 28, 2021 08:33 PM (a8b7P)

287 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 28, 2021 08:32 PM (mcfjc)
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Happy to do it, Scoob. Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 08:33 PM (0IeYL)

288 245 AH Lloyd,
Collectors of Spanish 1916 model Mausers like the few made by the Republicans at Catalonia. Not safe to shoot but relatively few in numbers.

The FR-8's were built as training rifles for the CETMEs out of M43 Large Ring Mausers. Those are nice indeed--HB Guy might have one or maybe someone else on the thread.

The FR-7 conversions are something that is controversial along with the Guardia conversions to 7.62 due to safety issues. Those are built on old m93 and 1916 small ring receivers that were never built to fire .308 Win. The Spanish did put a long throat on them and apparently used derated ammo--some argue that the original low power CETME round was used while others maintain that 7.62 NATO was fired.

Posted by: whig at November 28, 2021 08:33 PM (9hXN1)

289 Posted by: butch at November 28, 2021 08:31 PM (cHvOo)

Yes. It's hard to do the same w/ swing out cylinders unless you deliberately hold them over your head and eject the empty casings.

Posted by: Ed L at November 28, 2021 08:33 PM (NacE+)

290 My preferred outdoor range has been closed for two years.

Need to get creative. Or go on a road-trip.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 28, 2021 08:33 PM (u82oZ)

291 276 ... "Revolvers don't send spent casings flying around either (unless you want them to)."

Hi Ed L,
Very true. And I don't have to pick up the brass from the ground, which is getting farther away every year. Another basis for the moral superiority of revolvers.

Posted by: JTB at November 28, 2021 08:34 PM (7EjX1)

292 Goblins are looting hardware stores for looting tools. Expect to see more of that. Will they become brazen enough to loot gun stores?

Just once, I suspect.

Posted by: Methos at November 28, 2021 08:34 PM (kOpft)

293 If a Ruger Mini 14 was good enough for the A Team...

I memba when a stainless ranch with an under folder was like $600.

That wasn't all that long ago.

Posted by: blaster at November 28, 2021 08:35 PM (mbFEM)

294 I think he means the rifle grenade that we always see fired from the M1 Garand:

I'll finish watching the video later but a question from just the first few seconds. Would you fire from the shoulder like that? I kind of remember my father describing placing the butt on the ground to fire a grenade.

Posted by: Oddbob at November 28, 2021 08:35 PM (nfrXX)

295 Have a great night, everyone.

Busy day tomorrow.

May your aim be true, your actions safe for those you love.

Thank you, Weasel. You have fast fingers on that troll.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 28, 2021 08:36 PM (u82oZ)

296 Scuba, let's put our heads together after the holidays for the thing. You know, the thing.

Posted by: RI Red at November 28, 2021 08:36 PM (a8b7P)

297 Will they become brazen enough to loot gun stores?
Posted by: f'd at November 28, 2021 08:32 PM (Tnijr)

They might attempt... once.
Sometime in the recent past some real ultra-maroon went into rob a gun store. Bad plan as all the help were carrying and it didn't take long to ventilate the perp.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at November 28, 2021 08:36 PM (9pLmn)

298 Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 28, 2021 08:36 PM (u82oZ)
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Nite, Salty!

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 08:37 PM (0IeYL)

299 1998... Memphis, TN. Harold Ford Sr. went on trial for some hanky-panky bullshit he pulled with is funeral parlor and funds for his political career. Calls went out in the negro community to "burn down the white suburbs." It was very tense.

I bought a Ruger P-89, a stainless monster that weighs about 10 pounds empty. With a 15 round magazine it's about 25 pounds. Empty you can use it as a club.

I did see blacks marching in various locations to and from work. They were prepared to go to war if they didn't get their way.

They got their way. Ford was acquitted on most of the charges.

And here we are today...

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 28, 2021 08:37 PM (BFigT)

300 The .308.
Mine's a Remington 788
Easy to shoot. Easy to maintain. Accurate as hell. Hits with authority.
And very fun to shoot.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 28, 2021 08:37 PM (axyOa)

301 Which is all the scarier to think that a factory round, purchased by a PD, so probably not some "Lesteres discount ammo source did that.

Posted by: PaleRider

A lot of PD's use reloaders under contract because it costs less and thus PD's can stretch budgets further. PD=Police Dept.

But, one of the problems during surges in ammo demand is inexperienced workers, pressure to produced, and sometimes quality control slips even at the name brand places. Some foreign ammo can be a crapshoot as well and surplus military stock is hit or miss in quality as well. Those militaries selling their old stock are doing it because it has passed beyond their quality control dates and checks.

Posted by: whig at November 28, 2021 08:38 PM (9hXN1)

302 296 Posted by: RI Red at November 28, 2021 08:36 PM (a8b7P)

Sounds good to me.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 28, 2021 08:38 PM (mcfjc)

303 My keyboard has dyslexia.

Posted by: Javems at November 28, 2021 08:39 PM (ct0hB)

304 I went to a gun store range in Central Florida last summer and they had a sign up NO MASKS or you cannot enter. Because some guys came in in masks and stuck them up (armed robbery of a gun store always seems like a low percentage move to me) so they banned masks. And if you had a problem with that, you could go home.

Posted by: blaster at November 28, 2021 08:40 PM (mbFEM)

305 Before the ONT I want to thank Weasel for an entertaining Gun Thread.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at November 28, 2021 08:41 PM (9pLmn)

306 Calling it a night.

Take care everyone and have a great week!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 28, 2021 08:42 PM (mcfjc)

307 Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at November 28, 2021 08:41 PM (9pLmn)
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My pleasure! Thanks for tuning in.

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 08:43 PM (0IeYL)

308 305 Most gun stores are hit at night by burglary smash and grabs rather than looters. Round my locale, there was apparently a gang that was hitting different gun stores at night in about a 70-100 mile radius for a time.

They caught some of the gang during the last job they pulled about 4-5 years ago and that ended that.

Posted by: whig at November 28, 2021 08:43 PM (9hXN1)

309 Cabelas / Bass Pro still has a great Savage 110 package (currently $599). I sold them for about 5 years. It's a nice 110 with the AccuTrigger and a pretty good scope. The scope is factory bore sighted so have the store re-check it for you. Only had to remount a few but a lot of adjusting.

Posted by: KCSteve at November 28, 2021 08:43 PM (bxAlI)

310 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 28, 2021 08:42 PM (mcfjc)
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Nite Scoob.

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 08:43 PM (0IeYL)

311 Posted by: whig at November 28, 2021 08:38 PM (9hXN1)
Whig, do you think the adage "You (usually) get what you pay for" generally apply to ammo? Nowadays, at least?

Posted by: Ed L at November 28, 2021 08:44 PM (NacE+)

312 So, PD saves money on reloads. Till they don't ... Because scratch that rifle. And somebody somewhere will ask "what happened", and probably forbid shooting any more reloads for a while. At least not from that batch. Amirite?

Posted by: Common Tater at November 28, 2021 08:44 PM (NUalg)

313 Regarding ammo shortages in 30-06, that is why I reload when I have to. Buy during slack, reload during shortages.

Posted by: whig at November 28, 2021 08:44 PM (9hXN1)

314 283 Goblins are looting hardware stores for looting tools. Expect to see more of that. Will they become brazen enough to loot gun stores?

Posted by: f'd at November 28, 2021 08:32 PM
Tools are for attacking property, firearms are for attacking human beings. The goblin list of targets starts with property and will escalate to attacking human beings. Unless of course those human beings shoot back.

Posted by: Eromero at November 28, 2021 08:46 PM (0OP+5)

315 The FR-7 conversions are something that is controversial along with the Guardia conversions to 7.62 due to safety issues. Those are built on old m93 and 1916 small ring receivers that were never built to fire .308 Win. The Spanish did put a long throat on them and apparently used derated ammo--some argue that the original low power CETME round was used while others maintain that 7.62 NATO was fired.
Posted by: whig at November 28, 2021 08:33 PM (9hXN1)

Concur. I was always taught to avoid the FR-7 other than as a non-shooting collectible. FR-8 good, FR-7 suspect.

whig knows his stuff which is why I always look forward to his posts.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 28, 2021 08:46 PM (R/m4+)

316 Weasel, this has indeed, been a very Content Rich Gun Thread. Featuring some damn fine shootin' from Teh Horde, too!

And now, I'm going to see if there are any remaining Black Friday deals to be had for ammo. My ammo stack hasn't collapsed the flooring, yet. So, I guess there's room for another case or three?

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 28, 2021 08:46 PM (QzJWU)

317 Posted by: Jim at November 28, 2021 08:46 PM (QzJWU)
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Thanks Jim! I was so busy looking at other stuff to buy, I didn't look at ammo!

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 08:48 PM (0IeYL)

318 The EP-9 shoots 9mm luger. It really is a pistol. The "stock" is actually a wrist brace. Just because I don't use it as such doesn't change what it is.
Posted by: No Name Nobody at November 28, 2021 08:04 PM (Xqlct)

But it will add a 10 year felony charge for having an unregistered short barreled rifle at your arraignment should you be seen using the wrist brace as stock while using the gun to defend your life (or robbing a liquor store, etc).

Posted by: iron308 at November 28, 2021 08:49 PM (KvWnT)

319 ZOD.

Posted by: ZOD at November 28, 2021 08:49 PM (M3Z2J)

320 Posted by: ZOD at November 28, 2021 08:49 PM (M3Z2J)
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Howdy, ZOD! How's Mrs. Z?

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 08:50 PM (0IeYL)

321 But it will add a 10 year felony charge for having an unregistered short barreled rifle at your arraignment should you be seen using the wrist brace as stock while using the gun to defend your life (or robbing a liquor store, etc).
Posted by: iron308 at November 28, 2021 08:49 PM (KvWnT)

That's not how this works. That not how any of this works.

Posted by: blaster at November 28, 2021 08:52 PM (mbFEM)

322 Not a big bourbon fan but trying something recommended by a kid* at Spec's. Walking Stick. I think I'm going to like it.

* ok, an adult but still half my age

Posted by: Oddbob at November 28, 2021 08:52 PM (nfrXX)

323
* ok, an adult but still half my age
Posted by: Oddbob at November 28, 2021 08:52 PM (nfrXX)
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14 1/2?

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 08:53 PM (0IeYL)

324 That's not how this works. That not how any of this works.
Posted by: blaster at November 28, 2021 08:52 PM (mbFEM)

And here I thought you were paying attention!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Comrades, if only Comrade Fauci knew! ~ at November 28, 2021 08:54 PM (hOUT3)

325 No math!!

Posted by: Oddbob at November 28, 2021 08:54 PM (nfrXX)

326 >>Howdy, ZOD! How's Mrs. Z?
Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 08:50 PM (0IeYL)

She's well, thanks for asking! ZOD applies the lash to the malingering Aztecs; Mrs. applies the lash to the malingering Zod. "Will you please fix up the studio at the top of the hill for your office, and take a dog with you?"

Same as it ever was.

Posted by: ZOD at November 28, 2021 08:54 PM (M3Z2J)

327 I had some interesting news this week also. Rossi is sending me a brand new rifle to replace the cursed Gallery Gun. Only glitch is that the gun is on back order so it will be at least 6-8 weeks. I'll probably get hit up for transfer fees as they will have to ship it to dealer in MD.
Just hope this one works.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 28, 2021 08:56 PM (Y+l9t)

328
Same as it ever was.
Posted by: ZOD at November 28, 2021 08:54 PM (M3Z2J)
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Yep. I'm supposed to be cleaning up the den.

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 08:56 PM (0IeYL)

329 Welp while driving to the range today SOMETHING happened and I am now missing a center lug cover from one wheel and and end cap of trim on the running board.

Posted by: blaster at November 28, 2021 08:56 PM (mbFEM)

330 Howdy Weasel!

Howdy Moron Horde!

Worked past dark at the farm. There are deer everywhere.

I think I could put a nice one in the freezer - if I just followed Weasel's advice on the Pointy Stick Thread!

It should be very easy this year utilizing a gun!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at November 28, 2021 08:56 PM (tkyK5)

331 311 Posted by: whig at November 28, 2021 08:38 PM (9hXN1)
Whig, do you think the adage "You (usually) get what you pay for" generally apply to ammo? Nowadays, at least?

Posted by: Ed L

On range ammo, aka blaster fodder, you generally get more inaccurate ammo due to bullets, the brass may not last as long for reloading,and occasionally you get some dud rounds or damaged rounds. ON brand name US mfg, I have never had a squib or a overcharge but it is always possible so you wear protective gear.

Foreign ammo, Prvi, Norma, RWS, Geco, etc. , haven't had a problem either. S&B can load hot and have less reloads due to thinner brass in my .303's. Not crazy about their 9mm or .380 ammo either due to issues from reloading their brass.

Ruski ammo, fire in Russki guns, no problems. Can fire dirty and smell like cat pee though. Not particularly accurate.

Korean ammo is ok along with Wolf Gold which is loaded in Taiwan I think. Latin American ammo, hit or miss, sometimes literally.

Posted by: whig at November 28, 2021 08:56 PM (9hXN1)

332 Posted by: Pillage Idiot at November 28, 2021 08:56 PM (tkyK5)
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Howdy amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 08:57 PM (0IeYL)

333 She's well, thanks for asking! ZOD applies the lash to the malingering Aztecs; Mrs. applies the lash to the malingering Zod.

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Give those goldbricking Aztecs a taste of the business end of white privilege!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 28, 2021 08:57 PM (VxC1e)

334 14
Also pricing new gun safes as we're not taking existing with us.

Wife is adamant I get a new safe ASAP.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at November 28, 2021 07:08 PM (2SdPm)

You probably know this already, but get a bigger safe than you can ever possibly fill with guns.

Like Weasel said, buy once, cry once.

Posted by: a.moron at November 28, 2021 08:58 PM (F6Xpw)

335 Kinda, sorta resembles slightly, my old 1793 TR-6, almost.
Posted by: Javems at November 28, 2021 08:25 PM (ct0hB)

George Washington loved his, even if it was an English make.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 28, 2021 08:58 PM (evAgx)

336 The Cannucks have opened the Strategic Maple Syrup Reserve.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 28, 2021 08:58 PM (LtGlA)

337 Listening to Andrew Branca's discussion of the Read shooting in Lubbock Texas.

Very good.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 28, 2021 08:59 PM (M8yB3)

338 Thank God that your face is intact, I think you got a 5.56+p+ round that was not sold nor intended to be.

It is sort of indicative of the societal rot we face with a bizarre combination of apathy and culture of excuse intersecting.

I knew people that used to work at the remington ammo plant on the route home and they took great pride in their work.

I am not certain the younger people do.

Posted by: sven at November 28, 2021 08:59 PM (Lzpvj)

339 So, PD saves money on reloads. Till they don't ... Because scratch that rifle. And somebody somewhere will ask "what happened", and probably forbid shooting any more reloads for a while. At least not from that batch. Amirite?
Posted by: Common Tater

There is, or was, a reloading company called Dallas Reloading Service. I've used them for over twenty years with no issue. The owners were police officers and they had the Dallas PD training ammo along with other departments training ammo budgets.

Not all reloads are sketchy.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 28, 2021 09:00 PM (uXonU)

340 >>Give those goldbricking Aztecs a taste of the business end of white privilege! Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 28, 2021 08:57 PM (VxC1e)

(Calls the workers into the office, wordlessly points at the Transborder Industrial Mastic Human Flypaper Array diorama, indicating 1/72 scale human models captured in 'The Sticky.')

"So. More working, less cerveza. Do it now."

(Work crew shuffles out. Zod returns to Lawrence Welk reruns).

Posted by: ZOD at November 28, 2021 09:01 PM (M3Z2J)

341 Question is remanufactured ammo reloaded?

Posted by: blaster at November 28, 2021 09:01 PM (mbFEM)

342 A lot of PD's use reloaders under contract because it costs less and thus PD's can stretch budgets further. PD=Police Dept. ...
Posted by: whig at November 28, 2021 08:38 PM (9hXN1)

Hmm. Think I've heard of PDs re-using brass, which I'll guess would be reloads under contract. But I had presumed that there was some testing for is the shell still good; and the same factory controls as with brand new shells that should prevent a double powder load from ever happening, versus a hand reloader needing to be very attentive to detail.

Posted by: PaleRider. Yay long weekend at November 28, 2021 09:01 PM (3cGpq)

343 Question for the reloaders: volumetricly speaking, does a typical 5.56 load fill more than 50% of the case?

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 09:02 PM (0IeYL)

344 I knew people that used to work at the remington ammo plant on the route home and they took great pride in their work.

I am not certain the younger people do.
Posted by: sven

That's the difference between a career and a job.
Pride - career
Job - show up

Posted by: rickb223 at November 28, 2021 09:02 PM (uXonU)

345 Hey guys, a quick dumb question for the ill informed. Is it bad to store a magazine/clip loaded? I know that over time the spring will reduce the amount of tension, but how should a magazine be stored?

Posted by: Picric at November 28, 2021 09:02 PM (3QnyK)

346 Posted by: blaster at November 28, 2021 09:01 PM (mbFEM)
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Yes.

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 09:02 PM (0IeYL)

347 299 Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 28, 2021 08:37 PM (BFigT)

Any time a society tells a segment that nothing they face is their fault, and in fact all the things they face are a result of conspiracy against them and that anything they do to thwart said conspiracy is noble the fun begins.

Posted by: sven at November 28, 2021 09:02 PM (Lzpvj)

348 Not all reloads are sketchy.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 28, 2021 09:00 PM (uXonU)

With reloads of unknown provenance, could you gain some measure of confidence by simply weighing each round? A "hot" round with a double powder charge should show up, right?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 28, 2021 09:03 PM (P3gRi)

349 The Shield Plus review was definitely in my wheelhouse. Before the canoe trip, I had an original M&P Shield, and liked everything about it except the lack of boolets. Concealed carrying an extra magazine proved to be a bigger challenge than concealing the gun itself, so having the 10/13 round capability would be nice. I just hesitate to pull the trigger (sorry ...), as I don't know if I'm fully over the trauma of my watery loss event yet.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at November 28, 2021 09:03 PM (Agr8U)

350 345 Posted by: Picric at November 28, 2021 09:02 PM (3QnyK)

In modern quality mags the answer is "no" it is not bad so long as you test the springiness from time to time by shooting them empty.

Posted by: sven at November 28, 2021 09:03 PM (Lzpvj)

351 Hey guys, a quick dumb question for the ill informed. Is it bad to store a magazine/clip loaded? I know that over time the spring will reduce the amount of tension, but how should a magazine be stored?
Posted by: Picric at November 28, 2021 09:02 PM (3QnyK)

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That's a good question. I keep my magazines loaded but I wonder the same thing.

A magazine won't do you much good in a pinch if it's empty, I figure,

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 28, 2021 09:04 PM (VxC1e)

352 With reloads of unknown provenance, could you gain some measure of confidence by simply weighing each round? A "hot" round with a double powder charge should show up, right?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

It should.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 28, 2021 09:04 PM (uXonU)

353 315 HB Guy, Right back at you. You have an interesting collection of firearms and take good pix and range reports to share with the Horde. Thanks because I always enjoy those.

Posted by: whig at November 28, 2021 09:04 PM (9hXN1)

354 So. Shotgun acoustics.

My Wingmaster used to sing "cha-CHONK!" Now it's a looser, "SHA-cheeeek." Like lovingly disassembling it to keep it clean (it's a cheap Express, but it downs geese) has 'loosened' it. Not worried, but The Season is upon us (fear Zod, Tilghman Island geese...)

Whatever. Sometimes guns sing to you, I guess.

Posted by: ZOD at November 28, 2021 09:05 PM (M3Z2J)

355 Shameful lack of gun stuff this week. The reloading task list sits there, will get to it. Garage is cooler now, so more comfortable. A couple of cans to fill.

Did smoke a cigar, though. Just a very mainstream Oliva Serie O I got as part of an extra for another order. Was fine. And I'm pretty sure I need to smoke 'em a bit faster, nursing it along trying not to go too fast ends up going too slow = bitter/char final 1/3.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 28, 2021 09:05 PM (OTzUX)

356 Canada released 50 million pounds which is half of the strategic maple syrup reserve.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 28, 2021 09:05 PM (LtGlA)

357 Oh, and Dallas Reloading Service's business card said, "We specialize in orders of 300,000 rounds or more"

Posted by: rickb223 at November 28, 2021 09:05 PM (uXonU)

358 Paul Harrell the Bob Ross of guns, on the question of magazine tensile retention.

Posted by: sven at November 28, 2021 09:06 PM (Lzpvj)

359 Not all reloads are sketchy.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 28, 2021 09:00 PM (uXonU)

Concur. I will shoot reloads from some friends I know that reload for distance and accuracy. They are anal about it and they know what they are doing. I have even bought odd caliber ammo from commercial re-loaders and all have shot great.

If you know the source, reloads are fine. Wear your safety glasses and always pay attention and be safe.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 28, 2021 09:06 PM (R/m4+)

360 Just got back from reading the 2Am/self defense thread below. Two gun threads in one day!
Of course, now I have to see what I missed in the interim.

Posted by: RI Red at November 28, 2021 09:07 PM (a8b7P)

361 Posted by: whig at November 28, 2021 08:56 PM (9hXN1)
Thanks, Whig. I'm not into reloading, so that's not a factor for me. I've tried to stick w/ domestic manufacturers, but have used foreign ammo in the last year and a half because that was all in stock at the time. Nothing bad happened, but I'm still not 100% sure if I don't recognize the manufacturer's name. Won't use Russian ammo. Haven't seen or purchased Korean ammo or Wolf Gold. I've shot some Mexican made 9mm and .357 Magnum and experienced a few duds with them.

Posted by: Ed L at November 28, 2021 09:07 PM (NacE+)

362 355 Posted by: rhomboid at November 28, 2021 09:05 PM (OTzUX)

I decided to go the 3d printer route in lieu of more boat anchors this yule.

I am giving serious consideration to learning carbon fiber fabrication.

Posted by: sven at November 28, 2021 09:07 PM (Lzpvj)

363 356 Canada released 50 million pounds which is half of the strategic maple syrup reserve

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That means it took 3.2 billion pounds of sap to make, per internet statistics.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 28, 2021 09:07 PM (VxC1e)

364 anything they do to thwart said conspiracy is noble the fun begins.
Posted by: sven at November 28, 2021 09:02 PM (Lzpvj)

Equity is in the eye of the beholder!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Comrades, if only Comrade Fauci knew! ~ at November 28, 2021 09:07 PM (hOUT3)

365 That's the difference between a career and a job.
Pride - career
Job - show up
Posted by: rickb223 at November 28, 2021 09:02 PM (uXonU)

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That used to be, but no more. Employees had loyalty to a company and it was reciprocated. Finance MBAs ruined all that.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 28, 2021 09:08 PM (kTF2Z)

366 Question for the reloaders: volumetricly speaking, does a typical 5.56 load fill more than 50% of the case? Yeah, generally the whole case. There are a lot of compressed loads with the 75's and 77's.

Posted by: ck at November 28, 2021 09:08 PM (iBg56)

367 That means it took 3.2 billion pounds of sap to make, per internet statistics.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 28, 2021 09:07 PM (VxC1e)

They could empty out the Parliament Building; lotta sap there.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 28, 2021 09:08 PM (P3gRi)

368 Posted by: rhomboid at November 28, 2021 09:05 PM (OTzUX)

https://youtu.be/pch0J9-7i2k

*sigh* midheimers....

Paul Harrell link....

Posted by: sven at November 28, 2021 09:09 PM (Lzpvj)

369 Would that be enough maple syrup to float an aircraft carrier.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 28, 2021 09:09 PM (LtGlA)

370 In regards to questions,

--Can you relate why, after years of commercial ammo, the reloads were used?

We were practicing magazine reloads, the ammo was factory issue 5.56mm, FMJ, 55 grain if I remember correctly.

--The other possibility might be a squib round leaving one in the barrel so the next round had pressure built up with nowhere to go.

Possible, but I don't think so. No barrel deformations, no flowering of the flash suppressor. But we'll see what smith says. They'll probably blame the ammo manufacturer, who will in turn blame them.

Posted by: Xenophon at November 28, 2021 09:09 PM (zuXMV)

371 My range report: I rented a Walther PPQ 22LR and shot a nice grouping and then it started to jam. Elite exchanged it for a Smith & Wesson M&P22 Compact. They both felt nice but I really like the Smith & Wesson. I have been looking for a 22 for practice and finally feel comfortable making the purchase.

On the hot brass front: last range visit and got a little temporary scar on my temple from a stray brass. Tried to convince the Moron Gun Club it meant I was a bad*** but they weren't buying it. :-)

Posted by: Iris at November 28, 2021 09:09 PM (6lKe4)

372 Weasel,
I always keep a copy of Lee's Manual for that reason because it is easier to use cc as volume. The usable volume is 1.87 cc and all the loads listed are at least 1.40 cc or greater until you get into the really heavy bullets for the .223.

That would tend to support a squib leaving a bullet in the barrel or some other obstruction.

Posted by: whig at November 28, 2021 09:09 PM (9hXN1)

373 366 Question for the reloaders: volumetricly speaking, does a typical 5.56 load fill more than 50% of the case? Yeah, generally the whole case. There are a lot of compressed loads with the 75's and 77's.
Posted by: ck at November 28, 2021 09:08 PM (iBg56)
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That's what I thought. Seems to make a double charge unlikely, but I guess incorrect powder could be a possibility.

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 09:10 PM (0IeYL)

374 Not a dumb question, a common question, already answered. Generally loaded mags are fine, usually it's the cycling of the springs (expansion/compression) that can wear the metal, not just being stored in the compressed state. I've never even encountered a mag spring that weakened from lots of use, at least not yet.

And weighing a round to detect overcharges is possible, but pretty precise work. For a handgun caliber, doubling 4.2 grains (1/7,000th of a pound) to 8.4 would be hard to detect (bullet weights and even case weights, when using mixed headstamps, may well vary more than that, from round to round).

I guess with rifle calibers, doubling 26 or 46 grains would be easier - but it might be hard to double such loads in most calibers - cases would overflow. "Hot", if not doubled, charges, maybe, depends on the caliber.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 28, 2021 09:10 PM (OTzUX)

375 Question for the reloaders: volumetricly speaking, does a typical 5.56 load fill more than 50% of the case?

I just went and tried it. 24.0 grains of N135 comes to about the bottom of the shoulder. No way to double charge that w/o overflowing.

Posted by: Oddbob at November 28, 2021 09:10 PM (nfrXX)

376 If no one else has yet said it, that AR from the cop likely blew up because there's obviously zero lubrication in it. ARs run best when wet--literally wet--with oil, especially in training exercises with substantial round counts. That AR pictured is dry as a bone.

Posted by: Law of Self Defense at November 28, 2021 09:11 PM (HMC8i)

377 Possible, but I don't think so. No barrel deformations, no flowering of the flash suppressor. But we'll see what smith says. They'll probably blame the ammo manufacturer, who will in turn blame them.
Posted by: Xenophon at November 28, 2021 09:09 PM (zuXMV)

(sets tinfoil hat at jaunty angle) I wonder if there could be saboteurs working in ammo plants, deliberately overcharging the odd load sent to LE?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 28, 2021 09:11 PM (P3gRi)

378 376 That was my finding as well. Oily as fuck ftw.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 28, 2021 09:12 PM (LtGlA)

379 Posted by: Law of Self Defense at November 28, 2021 09:11 PM (HMC8i)
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Howdy and welcome!

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 09:13 PM (0IeYL)

380 That Gaialoop red dot is one of those things it's just so cheap you can't miss with it. Well I guess you could. It works at an indoor range and I sighted it in out a window but have not been in direct bright sunlight with it. It does have 8 intensity levels. But it was a $20 sight when I bought it and it's $40 now. It sat on top of the EP9 with a coup,e hundred rounds through it now and held zero.

Though a nicer sight would be...nicer. If this thing breaks I am not buying another cheap one like it I will just go straight to a Romeo 5.

Posted by: blaster at November 28, 2021 09:13 PM (mbFEM)

381 Finance MBAs ruined all that.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 28, 2021 09:08 PM (kTF2Z)

Once upon a time, a reputable company had respect for its customers and loyalty to its employees.

The the corner office green eyeshade guys pointed out how much more money the owners could make if they stiffed both the employees and the customers!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Comrades, if only Comrade Fauci knew! ~ at November 28, 2021 09:15 PM (hOUT3)

382 A Big Thanks to all.

Posted by: Picric at November 28, 2021 09:15 PM (3QnyK)

383 361 PMC is Korean. Sorry I didn't explain. Armscor is Philippine ammo. Aguila is made in Mexico in part at a former Remington Plant if I remember correctly.

Posted by: whig at November 28, 2021 09:15 PM (9hXN1)

384 Probably just the odds. I've shot zillions of commercial reloads and old Soviet ammo, for years, never a problem, not even a dud. Did have some odd delayed ignition 54R heavy ball (182g) my old lead range officer gifted me, a few years back. After three rounds, decided, nah. Disassembled a few for fun, rest went right into the dud container at the range.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 28, 2021 09:15 PM (OTzUX)

385 Posted by: Iris at November 28, 2021 09:09 PM (6lKe4)
Iris also tried out the Benelli M4 I brought. Hit the target dead center w/ a full power defense load of 00 buck on the first shot. If that's not bad***, what is?

Posted by: Ed L at November 28, 2021 09:15 PM (NacE+)

386 If no one else has yet said it, that AR from the cop likely blew up because there's obviously zero lubrication in it. ARs run best when wet--literally wet--with oil, especially in training exercises with substantial round counts. That AR pictured is dry as a bone.
Posted by: Law of Self Defense at November 28, 2021 09:11 PM (HMC8i)

I don't think that's the issue. Tim from Military Arms Channel ran a DI BCM for thousands of rounds, without cleaning or lubrication. No malfunctions either.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 28, 2021 09:15 PM (eeRB6)

387 CBC and Magtech are from Brazil.

Posted by: whig at November 28, 2021 09:15 PM (9hXN1)

388 The the corner office green eyeshade guys pointed out how much more money the owners could make if they stiffed both the employees and the customers!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Comrades, if only Comrade Fauci knew! ~ at November 28, 2021 09:15 PM (hOUT3)
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*whistles innocently*

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 09:16 PM (0IeYL)

389 350 345 Posted by: Picric at November 28, 2021 09:02 PM (3QnyK)

In modern quality mags the answer is "no" it is not bad so long as you test the springiness from time to time by shooting them empty.

Posted by: sven at November 28, 2021 09:03 PM (Lzpvj)

Yes. Magazine springs should be designed so their stress at full magazine load is below the yield strength of the steel used. A piece of steel can remain stressed below its yield strength, without permanent deformation, forever (in theory). If the spring is designed improperly and/or uses steel with too low a yield strength, the spring will not function correctly (feed the last round or two) the first time the mag is fully loaded.

Posted by: Gref at November 28, 2021 09:16 PM (AMIL/)

390 ---If no one else has yet said it, that AR from the cop likely blew up because there's obviously zero lubrication in it. ARs run best when wet--literally wet--with oil, especially in training exercises with substantial round counts. That AR pictured is dry as a bone.

Gonna say a firm no on this one. Lubricated several times that day, and thorough cleaning the night before. And I wore green for awhile, quite familiar with the fact the AR needs to chug oil.

Posted by: Xenophon at November 28, 2021 09:16 PM (zuXMV)

391 Posted by: Ed L at November 28, 2021 09:15 PM (NacE+)
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Iris is a natural shooter!

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 09:17 PM (0IeYL)

392 Weasel, re your .223 question:
Max loads are upwards of 25 grains, resulting in a Compressed load. Low end is around 20, so it should not be possible to double charge.

Posted by: RI Red at November 28, 2021 09:17 PM (a8b7P)

393 Probably the dain bramage, whig, but I thought I remembered Aguila as being former Winchester ammo facilities in Mexico? Whatever. Their stuff should be fine.

I've never used what I would consider sketchy ammo, so hard to generalize. Haven't even noticed much difference between all the brands and sources, at least any difference that matters or that I care about.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 28, 2021 09:17 PM (OTzUX)

394 *whistles innocently*
Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 09:16 PM (0IeYL)

Oops!

And this is all anecdotal of course!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Comrades, if only Comrade Fauci knew! ~ at November 28, 2021 09:19 PM (hOUT3)

395 Posted by: RI Red at November 28, 2021 09:17 PM (a8b7P)
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I haven't loaded the cartridge in a long time, but that's what I was thinking.

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 09:19 PM (0IeYL)

396 343 Question for the reloaders: volumetricly speaking, does a typical 5.56 load fill more than 50% of the case?

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 09:02 PM (0IeYL)

Yes, for the two or three powders I've used. Typically 80%-90% I would say, just eyeballing it.

Posted by: a.moron at November 28, 2021 09:19 PM (F6Xpw)

397 That's a good question. I keep my magazines loaded but I wonder the same thing.

A magazine won't do you much good in a pinch if it's empty, I figure,
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 28, 2021 09:04 PM (VxC1e)

I've left Beretta 92 mags loaded for a decade, no malfunctions on final use.

SHOTGUNS now...I'm not a believer in not loading them to capacity and leaving them like that. I've had two mag springs lose tension on me and replacing one of them is going to be a bitch kitty.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 28, 2021 09:19 PM (eeRB6)

398
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Comrades, if only Comrade Fauci knew! ~ at November 28, 2021 09:19 PM (hOUT3)
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Of course!

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 09:19 PM (0IeYL)

399 On the hot brass front: last range visit and got a little temporary scar on my temple from a stray brass. Tried to convince the Moron Gun Club it meant I was a bad*** but they weren't buying it. :-)
Posted by: Iris at November 28, 2021 09:09 PM (6lKe4)

We told you to say you got it in the midst of a bunch of gunfire! Because you are a badass! All of that is true!

Posted by: blaster at November 28, 2021 09:19 PM (mbFEM)

400 I think Magtech is CBC's American market brand?

CBC = Companhia de Cartuchos Brasileira (or do Brasil, not sure). Brazilian Cartridge Company.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 28, 2021 09:20 PM (OTzUX)

401 Sort of gun related, I guess, but when we were in Montana for T-day, my brother who drives Black Hawks took us all to the NG facility to look at the Hawks, Chinooks, and their pretty new Lakotas. Those are slated for border patrol duty. The spot lights are so powerful that they'll start brush fires if the aircraft is below a certain elevation.

Brother's young son Ben is always in hog heaven when he gets to visit the hangar. He's two years old, and is an amazing kid.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Crossing state lines like a Boss at November 28, 2021 09:21 PM (x8Wzq)

402 OK, 9:20ish thank you time.
Thank You!
As I mentioned at the start of the thread, I really do appreciate you all being here week in and week out. Y'all are the best!

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 09:21 PM (0IeYL)

403 348 Not all reloads are sketchy.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 28, 2021 09:00 PM (uXonU)

With reloads of unknown provenance, could you gain some measure of confidence by simply weighing each round? A "hot" round with a double powder charge should show up, right?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 28, 2021 09:03 PM (P3gRi)

Possibly, but the weight of the bullet and casing are most of the total weight and the powder is a small part, so normal variations in weight of cases and bullets might make it tough to see an overcharge.

Posted by: a.moron at November 28, 2021 09:22 PM (F6Xpw)

404 Xenophon: "Gonna say a firm no on this one. Lubricated several times that day, and thorough cleaning the night before. And I wore green for awhile, quite familiar with the fact the AR needs to chug oil."

OK, if you say so. It sure LOOKS dry as a bone in the photos.

Posted by: Law of Self Defense at November 28, 2021 09:22 PM (HMC8i)

405 That AR pictured is dry as a bone.
Posted by: Law of Self Defense at November 28, 2021 09:11 PM (HMC8i)

Mac over at The Military Firearms Channel is torture testing a ham and egger AR (BCM?) and has over 7,000 rounds thru it without a cleaning and no oil/lubrication. Bone dry.

He shoots it and places it aside. He has it on hold now due to the ammo shortage but so far so good. No hang ups what so ever.

I think he is trying to reach 10,000 rounds with it without cleaning to dispel some AR myths.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 28, 2021 09:22 PM (R/m4+)

406 Hi Sharon and Iris! The Moron Gun Club adventures make me smile. Sounds like you all are doing great!

Posted by: screaming in digital at November 28, 2021 09:22 PM (kTRt4)

407 Popping in to throw out a quick thanks to CBD for the link to Branca's Self Defense Principles book. Thanks CBD. Trying to keep up on projects but falling behind with my two smashed fingers. Definitely not doing any shooting as one of them is my trigger finger. Think I'll wander out tomorrow and work on my offhand shooting. Lord knows I have room for improvement there. Pop in and read the comments later tonight.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * jus a pohr wayfarin stranger at November 28, 2021 09:23 PM (E8KAS)

408 377 Possible, but I don't think so. No barrel deformations, no flowering of the flash suppressor. But we'll see what smith says. They'll probably blame the ammo manufacturer, who will in turn blame them.
Posted by: Xenophon

A lot depends on where the bullet or obstruction sticks. Occasionally, a case will do something funky like break. Bullet setback would raise pressures substantially if the crimp on the bullet was not firm but enough to cause that kind of damage would be rare.

An oiled chamber will raise bolt thrust and chamber pressure but not to the extent seen either.

So, on a hot load, it would have to be something like a duplex load where a fast pistol powder clot was hanging in the powder measure and got shoved down to the primer by oncoming rifle powder. Or they loaded pistol powder into the rifle cartridge.

There is a guy that liked to push firearms to the bursting point with loads named Clark who documents his adventures. Might try the High Road forum and search for posts by him for examples. I think he also posts on The Firing Line and Cast Boolits forums as well.

Posted by: whig at November 28, 2021 09:23 PM (9hXN1)

409 Years back I had an FMJ fragment (probably bit of a jacket) bounce back from a steel plate rack I was cleaning (9mm) and hit me in the right nostril, low. Could feel the blood running down onto my lip. Decided to have fun with it.

Finished the rack, did the clear/holster drill, while of course still facing downrange - then turned around (by now a bit of blood down to my chin). Gasps and shouts. Perfect! Such a small nick that some athletic tape sufficed to shut it down. Didn't hurt at all, barely felt it.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 28, 2021 09:23 PM (OTzUX)

410 OK, if you say so. It sure LOOKS dry as a bone in the photos.
Posted by: Law of Self Defense at November 28, 2021 09:22 PM (HMC8i)

And explosion like that might flame-blast any oil from the affected parts?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 28, 2021 09:24 PM (P3gRi)

411 at's what I thought. Seems to make a double charge unlikely, but I guess incorrect powder could be a possibility.
That much Bullseye would br a problem!

Posted by: Rancherbob at November 28, 2021 09:24 PM (gtu9W)

412 That target silhouette with the skateboard is fucking hilarious.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 28, 2021 09:24 PM (LtGlA)

413 Deer season is over. I managed to conserve all my 30-06 ammo by not seeing any bucks.

Posted by: davidt at November 28, 2021 09:25 PM (0hbQ6)

414 That much Bullseye would br a problem!
Posted by: Rancherbob at November 28, 2021 09:24 PM (gtu9W)
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Yeah!

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 09:25 PM (0IeYL)

415 whigh - Clark, "the world's most dangerous reloader" (or was it "most interesting"?). He was great.

The guy would buy old cheap police turn-in revolvers, put them on his tree-mounted firing set-up, and pull the trigger with a cord from a safe distance. Just to see what it would take to blow them up.

He was in OR, I think. High Road should still have his stuff, on the reloading sub-forum.

Always loved his "experiments".

Posted by: rhomboid at November 28, 2021 09:26 PM (OTzUX)

416 Deer season is over. I managed to conserve all my 30-06 ammo by not seeing any bucks.
Posted by: davidt at November 28, 2021 09:25 PM (0hbQ6)

Way to see the bright side.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Crossing state lines like a Boss at November 28, 2021 09:26 PM (x8Wzq)

417 There is a guy that liked to push firearms to the bursting point with loads named Clark who documents his adventures. Might try the High Road forum and search for posts by him for examples. I think he also posts on The Firing Line and Cast Boolits forums as well.
Posted by: whig at November 28, 2021 09:23 PM (9hXN1)

What about loads named Troy, or Percy?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 28, 2021 09:26 PM (P3gRi)

418 Weasel, thanks so much for providing this fount of knowledge to us every week. Never fail to learn something here!
Sadly one of the things I learn is how much I have yet to learn

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Comrades, if only Comrade Fauci knew! ~ at November 28, 2021 09:26 PM (hOUT3)

419 393 Rhomboid,
https://tinyurl.com/m69wec4c
It is the former Remington plant. I remembered because it is one of the few remaining ammo plants along with the Federal-Remington Lonoke AR plant that has shotgun pellet towers.

Posted by: whig at November 28, 2021 09:26 PM (9hXN1)

420 I don't think it's lube either. Iraqveteran888 routinely puts full auto lowers on run of the mill commercial ar15's and fires them on full auto until failure. It's almost always the gas tube that fails.

Posted by: ck at November 28, 2021 09:27 PM (iBg56)

421 And explosion like that might flame-blast any oil from the affected parts?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 28, 2021 09:24 PM (P3gRi)
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Sounds reasonable to me.

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 09:27 PM (0IeYL)

422 Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Comrades, if only Comrade Fauci knew! ~ at November 28, 2021 09:26 PM (hOUT3)
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My pleasure, hrothgar. Happy to have you here!

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 09:28 PM (0IeYL)

423 Always loved his "experiments".

Posted by: rhomboid

I discussed rifle specifics with him--he did not like the Kuhnhausen Mauser handbook because Kuhnhaused did not discuss much on sporterizing. I liked it because it has trouble shooting Mauser actions and is quite specific on parts measurements to keep you shooting old Mausers safely.

Posted by: whig at November 28, 2021 09:28 PM (9hXN1)

424 Mr Branca - does your book cover self-defense in the home, as opposed to use of firearms while carrying in public?

Posted by: rhomboid at November 28, 2021 09:28 PM (OTzUX)

425 Thank you for all you do here, Weasel. Good night all, and see you next week!

Posted by: Ed L at November 28, 2021 09:29 PM (NacE+)

426 GREAT gun thread, Weasel. Got a little gun envy here tonight. And the skillz! Holy cow!

The story of the misfire was pretty scary, I will admit...

Posted by: Ladyl at November 28, 2021 09:29 PM (TdMsT)

427 Also, thanks Weasel for the specific Savage rifle recommendation. I know we talked in general terms at the TxMoMe but more specific information helps narrow the search space considerably.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at November 28, 2021 09:29 PM (Agr8U)

428 That shit the army has jams and double feeds constantly. Maybe the magazines suck.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 28, 2021 09:29 PM (LtGlA)

429 Posted by: Ed L at November 28, 2021 09:29 PM (NacE+)
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nite amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 09:29 PM (0IeYL)

430 Posted by: Ladyl at November 28, 2021 09:29 PM (TdMsT)

Evening, {{{Ladyl}}}!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at November 28, 2021 09:29 PM (Agr8U)

431 whig, thanks.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 28, 2021 09:30 PM (OTzUX)

432 Posted by: Ladyl at November 28, 2021 09:29 PM (TdMsT)
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Thank you Ladyl!

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 09:30 PM (0IeYL)

433 Weasel,

Thanks for all of the recent help. I have the ball rolling on that project!

I also started pricing out some Nightforce scopes. Yowza!

Does the guarantee mean that the scope will last, or are they guaranteeing that you can shoot the nuts off a gnat at 600 yards?

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at November 28, 2021 09:30 PM (tkyK5)

434 Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at November 28, 2021 09:29 PM (Agr8U)
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My pleasure, S'puppy!

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 09:31 PM (0IeYL)

435 Regarding Weasel's sage shopping advice way up above, reminds me of a saying (probably seen at The High Road) that sort of sums up a smart way to approach shooting (and many other activities/skills), in terms of priorities:

Mindset
Skill set
Tool set

Posted by: rhomboid at November 28, 2021 09:31 PM (OTzUX)

436 {{{Ladyl}}}

Sadly, gun envy is ubiquitous.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Comrades, if only Comrade Fauci knew! ~ at November 28, 2021 09:32 PM (hOUT3)

437 Posted by: Pillage Idiot at November 28, 2021 09:30 PM (tkyK5)
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They'll definitely take "bad optics" off the excuse table and force you to blame tight socks!

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 09:32 PM (0IeYL)

438 >>> 417 There is a guy that liked to push firearms to the bursting point with loads named Clark who documents his adventures. Might try the High Road forum and search for posts by him for examples. I think he also posts on The Firing Line and Cast Boolits forums as well.
Posted by: whig at November 28, 2021 09:23 PM (9hXN1)

What about loads named Troy, or Percy?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 28, 2021 09:26 PM (P3gRi)

Those are fine too; just none named Todd.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 28, 2021 09:33 PM (llON8)

439 Thanks Weasel, goodnight all. I'm gone to shoot a hog next couple days, and eat leftover Thanksgiving things.

Posted by: Eromero at November 28, 2021 09:34 PM (0OP+5)

440 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at November 28, 2021 09:34 PM (K7/OQ)

441 Posted by: Eromero at November 28, 2021 09:34 PM (0OP+5)
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Nite amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 09:34 PM (0IeYL)

442 600 yards. Bullshit.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 28, 2021 09:34 PM (LtGlA)

443 417 AOP, yeah, due to the limits on gray boxes, I get my tangue tungled up.

Posted by: whig at November 28, 2021 09:34 PM (9hXN1)

444 Such a good thread. I'll need to start spending Sunday evenings online again.

Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at November 28, 2021 09:34 PM (K7/OQ)

445 440 FIRST!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge - China is Asshoe! at November 28, 2021 09:34 PM (K7/OQ)
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Sooooo close!

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 09:35 PM (0IeYL)

446 Awesome as always Weasel!

Posted by: rancherbob at November 28, 2021 09:36 PM (gtu9W)

447 413 Deer season is over. I managed to conserve all my 30-06 ammo by not seeing any bucks.

Posted by: davidt at November 28, 2021 09:25 PM

Bummer!

Our rifle season hasn't even started yet.

However, the highway shoulders throughout our state are littered with chunks of bumpers, headlight fragments, and deer carcasses. They are definitely going to have to increase the limit again soon for our doe season.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at November 28, 2021 09:36 PM (tkyK5)

448 AOP, yeah, due to the limits on gray boxes, I get my tangue tungled up.
Posted by: whig at November 28, 2021 09:34 PM (9hXN1)

Your posts are always erudite and worthy, but that was a low floater, right over the plate.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 28, 2021 09:36 PM (P3gRi)

449 Yeah, Boss. You and the commenters brung it tonight. I'm constantly amazed at the group knowledge.
Case in point: you asked for 223 load info to rule out a double charge and half a dozen folks popped up with their take.
Of course, Rancher Bob threw a monkey wrench in with Bullseye powder! But I'd hope that it wouldn't be anywhere near a 223 production line.

Posted by: RI Red at November 28, 2021 09:37 PM (a8b7P)

450 Posted by: rancherbob at November 28, 2021 09:36 PM (gtu9W)
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Thank you, RB!

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 09:37 PM (0IeYL)

451 However, the highway shoulders throughout our state are littered with chunks of bumpers, headlight fragments, and deer carcasses. They are definitely going to have to increase the limit again soon for our doe season.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at November 28, 2021 09:36 PM (tkyK5)

Saw tons of them along I-64 as well. The divided highway seems to be designed to get them to cross the road.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2021 09:38 PM (csEWM)

452 I generally follow the old unwritten rule of reloaders, that only I shoot my reloads, but I do have exceptions. Revolvers (no semi-auto action), I allow friends/newbies to use my reloads (which are generally loaded very low anyway).

Haven't bought commercial ammo in many years, but nibble on the strategic reserves thereof for ammo for semis and rifles, when friends/newbies are shooting.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 28, 2021 09:39 PM (OTzUX)

453 {{{Hrothgar}}}

{{{S'Puppy}}}

Posted by: Ladyl at November 28, 2021 09:39 PM (TdMsT)

454 If I had an old Delta 88 I could take down all the deer I want without firing a shot.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 28, 2021 09:40 PM (LtGlA)

455 Posted by: RI Red at November 28, 2021 09:37 PM (a8b7P)
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Thanks, bro!

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 09:43 PM (0IeYL)

456 Saw tons of them along I-64 as well. The divided highway seems to be designed to get them to cross the road.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 28, 2021 09:38 PM

My oldest daughter has hit two deer on a divided highway over the last three years.

I want to install an old-style "cow catcher" from a train on her front bumper to throw them away from the passenger compartment!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at November 28, 2021 09:43 PM (tkyK5)

457 Gonna call it quits. Goodnight all.
Hope everyone has gun stuff on their Christmas list.
I sorta picture Weasel in a Santa Claus suit when I say that.

Posted by: RI Red at November 28, 2021 09:43 PM (a8b7P)

458 Thread seems to be running out of steam so I'll say good night and thanks to Weasel and the Horde.

Posted by: Oddbob at November 28, 2021 09:44 PM (nfrXX)

459 Posted by: RI Red at November 28, 2021 09:43 PM (a8b7P)
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Nite!

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 09:44 PM (0IeYL)

460 Yes thanks Weasel as always for gunz.

Actually, gunz & cigarz, technically.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 28, 2021 09:44 PM (OTzUX)

461 Posted by: Oddbob at November 28, 2021 09:44 PM (nfrXX)
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It's dead, Jim.

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 09:45 PM (0IeYL)

462 Though a nicer sight would be...nicer. If this thing breaks I am not buying another cheap one like it I will just go straight to a Romeo 5.
Posted by: blaster at November 28, 2021 09:13 PM (mbFEM)

I kept mine. And may put it on my Remington Versa Max 12Ga. It was able to bore site it indoors on the EP-9 at the house but outside at the farm in noon day sunlight the dot just disappeared.

Posted by: No Name Nobody at November 28, 2021 09:45 PM (Xqlct)

463 Thanks for another gun thread, Weasel!

I will have to go back and read the content now.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at November 28, 2021 09:45 PM (tkyK5)

464 Posted by: rhomboid at November 28, 2021 09:44 PM (OTzUX)
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Happy to do it! Thanks rhomboid!

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 09:46 PM (0IeYL)

465 SiD if you're still here. There was a discussion at dinner of how we could turn the CO MoMe into a shooting outing by coming to Wyoming.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 28, 2021 09:47 PM (Y+l9t)

466 Posted by: Pillage Idiot at November 28, 2021 09:45 PM (tkyK5)
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You bet. Thanks for tuning in!

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 09:47 PM (0IeYL)

467 Thanks Weasel for the thread as always,

And no problems AOP with you knocking that floater out of the park: by the way, I find your adventures in restoring old machinery astounding.

Posted by: whig at November 28, 2021 09:47 PM (9hXN1)

468 Posted by: whig at November 28, 2021 09:47 PM (9hXN1)
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My pleasure. Thanks for being here, whig!

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 09:49 PM (0IeYL)

469 And no problems AOP with you knocking that floater out of the park: by the way, I find your adventures in restoring old machinery astounding.

Posted by: whig at November 28, 2021 09:47 PM (9hXN1)

Well, thank you kindly! All the best to you.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 28, 2021 09:49 PM (P3gRi)

470 ONT is nood.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 28, 2021 09:50 PM (P3gRi)

471 424 Mr Branca - does your book cover self-defense in the home, as opposed to use of firearms while carrying in public?

Posted by: rhomboid

Notice he hasn't answered yet but yes it does. You can also purchase state specific from him in some states.

Posted by: whig at November 28, 2021 09:50 PM (9hXN1)

472 OK, ONT is up everyone!

Please enjoy the rest of your evening and have a great week. Hope to see you here next Sunday!

Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 09:51 PM (0IeYL)

473 I once accidentally fired a .308 in my 30-06 bolt action. Blew the neck out of the case. Made a funny sound. Bullseye, too.

I never made the mistake of mixing up my ammo again.

Posted by: Pooklord at November 28, 2021 09:57 PM (WYLQs)

474 Please enjoy the rest of your evening and have a great week. Hope to see you here next Sunday!
Posted by: Weasel at November 28, 2021 09:51 PM (0IeYL)

You too, sir!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at November 28, 2021 09:57 PM (Agr8U)

475 SiD if you're still here. There was a discussion at dinner of how we could turn the CO MoMe into a shooting outing by coming to Wyoming.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice)
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Yes, please! Let's talk. Weather in late April is always iffy. If we are blessed with decent weather I think you all would love the outdoor range, there are several different ranges including the "Canyon Range" up to 1000 yards. The indoor range here is handguns up to .45 or .22 rifles only. I don't know as much about the ranges in Cheyenne but we could check into that if you'd rather go there than Laramie.

Also we know some places on public lands where you can just go shoot...

Posted by: screaming in digital at November 28, 2021 09:58 PM (kTRt4)

476 I sorta picture Weasel in a Santa Claus suit when I say that.
Posted by: RI Red at November 28, 2021 09:43 PM (a8b7P)

^^Threadwinner!

Posted by: Iris at November 28, 2021 09:59 PM (6lKe4)

477 I bought a Mossberg 590 shockwave, and want to install a rail on the top of the receiver. Not a complex process - there are 4 small screws to remove, then the rail gets installed, and 4 new (hex-key headed) screws replace the factory ones. Those installed at the factory are just hole-fillers, and are to be removed with a slotted screwdriver (not hex-key).

Problem is: I can't budge the factory screws (this is a new gun, so there's not a rust issue). I don't have a great screwdriver, so I'm guessing I need to get a better one? Any advice on removing these - or on what tool, exactly, to get?

Posted by: One-Eyed Cat Peepin' in the Seafood Store at November 28, 2021 10:05 PM (Ybhj0)

478 VC and bar

Wow.

How many of those are there?

I suspect they're rarer than receiving The Medal twice (other than the Marines in WWI awarded both the Army and Navy versions for the same action).

Posted by: Fox2! at November 28, 2021 10:16 PM (qyH+l)

479 SiD if you're still here. There was a discussion at dinner of how we could turn the CO MoMe into a shooting outing by coming to Wyoming.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 28, 2021 09:47 PM (Y+l9t)

Kewl. I am 30 miles south of Wyoming.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Crossing state lines like a Boss at November 28, 2021 10:40 PM (x8Wzq)

480 I found a .410 that i had been looking for, a Snake Charmer. Then I had to find .410......which I did, at $20.00 a box....

Posted by: jasonj at November 28, 2021 10:52 PM (ocTOb)

481 Late to the gun thread. GF and I went to the range today and had fun w/ a S&W 22 Compact...cheap plinking fun.

Posted by: redchief at November 28, 2021 11:01 PM (Kab4E)

482 RE...robbing gun stores....quite a few years ago in Tucson, a teen couple waltzed into a gun store on Oracle Road, popped a round into a shotgun, and tried to rob the place. It did not turn out well for them. If I recall correctly, the owner was a pistol instructor, and the male half of the duo was ventilated successfully. Details are foggy in my pea sized brain, sorry.

Posted by: jasonj at November 28, 2021 11:19 PM (ocTOb)

483 Good morning Weasel.

I hope you and your family had a Happy Thanksgiving.

Why would you recommend a .308 over the .270 Winchester for a target and hunting round? Or why do long range target shooters prefer the 308 over the 270? Most hunters prefer the 270 as it shoots faster and flatter. I know there is much overlap in the ballistics.

Posted by: MikeCLT at November 29, 2021 08:49 AM (XZ32k)

484 Hurray a pierced disgusting degenerate downlow negro is on our side. Truly we are so virtuous. Always remember demsrealracist and demsrealheterosexuals. The G.rand O.le P.inworm is the party sodomy, race-mixing, open borders, and nothing else. U.sury S.odomy A.bortion! U.sury S.odomy A.bortion! U.sury S.odomy A.bortion!

Posted by: Borzoi Respector at November 30, 2021 09:10 AM (Obe3j)

485 How were you thanksgiving Day

Posted by: 9mm Ammo at December 09, 2021 01:07 AM (ht8Gg)

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