Alec Baldwin Kills One, Wounds Another By Discharging Prop Gun on Set of Film He's Producing

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I would imagine -- I guess -- that these weren't intentional shootings, but negligent ones.

Given that Baldwin is both the shooter and the producer of the film who has ultimate legal responsibility for injuries on the set, he might be in some trouble.

We'll have to wait to see what the level of negligence is.

It is strange that he pointed and fired the gun at the director and the director of photography, rather than an actor.

It is strange that he shot both. It's really weird that he wasn't alerted to the fact that the gun was loaded when the first victim was shot.

Maybe it was a prop shotgun, and he was firing into the camera? That would explain it.

Nope... it's worse than that.

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Fat old alcoholic stupid clown.

Q.E.D.:

28 I think I see the problem here.

The person at the top that was responsible to make sure only blanks were used is the Producer.

The person at the bottom responsible is to make sure a live round was not pointed at a live person was the actor.

Both those persons were Alec Baldwin.

Posted by: SH (Non-Expert Elite)

The Uninsurable Alec Baldwin is now uninsurable for purposes of film work, I hope.

Via Twitchy:

The Uninsurable Alec Baldwin will now dedicate his public ravings to the topic of gun safety, attacking others for his own crimes.

Posted by: Ace at 10:38 AM




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1 First!

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 22, 2021 09:38 AM (z5Vrg)

2 Early ace.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 22, 2021 09:38 AM (LvTSG)

3 "How about I just shoot the both of ya?"

//Absolutely Not a Murder

Posted by: sven at October 22, 2021 09:39 AM (Lzpvj)

4 Aiming's for Closers.

Posted by: ShainS -- State-Stamped Sluggish Schizophrenic at October 22, 2021 09:39 AM (mZ3xv)

5 He's no Waco Kid, that's fer shure.

Posted by: Count de Monet, IF, Unvaccinated Kulak-American at October 22, 2021 09:39 AM (4I/2K)

6 Holy shit...

He intentionally fired the gun at the cinematographer and director as a "joke".

He won't get arrested, but he really should end up in jail.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 22, 2021 09:39 AM (LvTSG)

7 "It's really weird that he wasn't alerted to the fact that the gun was loaded when the first victim was shot."

Only one shot fired AFAIK.

Posted by: You're Gonna Need A Bigger gp at October 22, 2021 09:40 AM (qpX6U)

8 "It is not pre-meditated when a person states they are breaking gun gaffing protocol!"

//Soros Prosecution Inc

Posted by: sven at October 22, 2021 09:40 AM (Lzpvj)

9 It was probably an accident. Either a *lot* has to go wrong or there has to be foul play. It'll be interesting to see if there's a real investigation and if so, what the conclusion is.

But you can be sure the anti-arms people will come up with a way to make this about the need for more "common sense gun control."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 22, 2021 09:40 AM (DU+/6)

10 Holy sh#t he shot at them as a freakin' joke?!?

Posted by: Lizzy at October 22, 2021 09:40 AM (bDqIh)

11 Hang down your head Alec Baldwin
Hang down your head and cry
Hang down your head Alec Baldwin
Por boy your bound to die

Posted by: Count de Monet, IF, Unvaccinated Kulak-American at October 22, 2021 09:41 AM (4I/2K)

12 Did Baldwin use C4 to blow up the margins too??

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at October 22, 2021 09:41 AM (UHVv4)

13 I feel like this needs to be reinacted using the Team America marionettes. . .

Posted by: Lizzy at October 22, 2021 09:41 AM (bDqIh)

14 This is funny to me, since part of my first novel, The Director's Cut involves an actor screwing around with a prop gun and killing himself in the process.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 22, 2021 09:41 AM (2JVJo)

15 One dead and one wounded? What a lousy shot.

Posted by: StrawMan at October 22, 2021 09:41 AM (78ihC)

16 "It is strange that he pointed and fired the gun at the director and the director of photography,"

THAT is the crux, the linchpin, the fulcrum, the armature. Why was he pointing the gun at non-actors?

Posted by: You're Gonna Need A Bigger gp at October 22, 2021 09:42 AM (qpX6U)

17 Willowed... Hat tip to commenter Posso from Insty's: "Baldwin killed more people than the Jan 6 protesters."

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at October 22, 2021 09:42 AM (UHVv4)

18 MATT DAMON

Posted by: Matt Damon at October 22, 2021 09:42 AM (bDqIh)

19 And Baldwin can horsefuck, the miserable treasonous POS.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 22, 2021 09:42 AM (2JVJo)

20 6 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 22, 2021 09:39 AM (LvTSG)

Eh "maybe", were he politically disfavored by the media they would point out that gun gaffing on set is regulated by rules and he flouted them.

Old Arec should be on the hook for manslaughter under AZ law.


"Recklessly cause the death of another person."

Breaking the gun gaffing rules is reckless.

Posted by: sven at October 22, 2021 09:42 AM (Lzpvj)

21 One dead, another wounded. No arrests.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 22, 2021 09:42 AM (BFigT)

22 Chicago gang bangers could study under Alec and improve their body count.

Posted by: Count de Monet, IF, Unvaccinated Kulak-American at October 22, 2021 09:43 AM (4I/2K)

23 If the "sources say" bit about an on-set piece of dumbfuckery is true, then Baldwin should be in prison. Something still went wrong - the range was wrong, the blank was bad in some way, etc. - and it wasn't murder. but it was definitely negligent homicide if that anecdote is true. Even when it's on a movie set, and things have been prepped by the prop master or arms wrangler, and there are only blanks, you don't fuck around waving guns around. That stuff is typically safe only so long as the rules are all followed and you don't deviate from how the people who actually know what they're doing set it up.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 22, 2021 09:43 AM (DU+/6)

24 Uh yeah, he's in New Mexico and not Los Angeles. There could be some actual justice here.

Posted by: Mishdog at October 22, 2021 09:43 AM (/VWLE)

25 Ok, I'm now officially suspicious. Who talks like that?

Posted by: squid_hunt at October 22, 2021 09:43 AM (7MBHe)

26 Hey, TJM, took some advice of yours. Moved Adele to chapter one this morning. Will talk more this weekend after I've printed out and fully digested your comments.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 22, 2021 09:43 AM (2JVJo)

27 Wait!!!!!

Is that seriously the circumstances of how he came to shoot the director and cinematographer???

"How about I shoot ya!"

And he's not immediately taken into custody?

We have people rotting a box for merely walking through a f****ing building and this dumbf***k
just walks?

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 22, 2021 09:43 AM (2TQzg)

28 I think I see the problem here.

The person at the top that was responsible to make sure only blanks were used is the Producer.

The person at the bottom responsible is to make sure a live round was not pointed at a live person was the actor.

Both those persons were Alec Baldwin.

Posted by: SH (Non-Expert Elite) at October 22, 2021 09:43 AM (sX1BW)

29 Time for common sense actor control?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, the Phillips screwdriver of the gods at October 22, 2021 09:43 AM (cSyAR)

30 9 Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 22, 2021 09:40 AM (DU+/6)

Under AZ law as stated he was guilty of reckless endangerment that resulted in the death of another.

Arec Borwin come on down, unless you are in the domain of a Soros prosecutor you are reasonably gonna get charged.

Posted by: sven at October 22, 2021 09:44 AM (Lzpvj)

31 Going to make some tea and await the Pondering Primate.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 22, 2021 09:44 AM (2JVJo)

32 *Imagines the Pitch Meeting for this flick*

"Whoops!"

"Whoopsie!!!"

Posted by: Sharkman at October 22, 2021 09:44 AM (RLa1O)

33 28 I think I see the problem here.

The person at the top that was responsible to make sure only blanks were used is the Producer.

The person at the bottom responsible is to make sure a live round was not pointed at a live person was the actor.

Both those persons were Alec Baldwin.
Posted by: SH (Non-Expert Elite) at October 22, 2021 09:43 AM (sX1BW)

Man, we need really need to find a way to get an intelligent human being somewhere in this process.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 22, 2021 09:44 AM (z5Vrg)

34 20 "Recklessly cause the death of another person."

Breaking the gun gaffing rules is reckless.
Posted by: sven at October 22, 2021 09:42 AM (Lzpvj)

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When you think about it, having guns is society is really what's reckless. Alec Baldwin is just a victim of an unjust society and must be cleared in order to put focus on the true villains in this tale: People who weren't there and didn't do it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 22, 2021 09:44 AM (LvTSG)

35 Hope he gets 25 years in prison.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at October 22, 2021 09:44 AM (xDXlt)

36 Rick Perry's hunting camp ... Throckmorton Welcomes You!

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Is that our Buck Throckmorton?

Posted by: ShainS -- State-Stamped Sluggish Schizophrenic at October 22, 2021 09:44 AM (mZ3xv)

37 Early riser ace.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 22, 2021 09:45 AM (sDu/0)

38 28 Posted by: SH (Non-Expert Elite) at October 22, 2021 09:43 AM (sX1BW)

Yup, he was responsible for hiring the gun gaffer which means he had a set expectation of gun safety...

If only Arec Borwin had told Arec Borwin to stop screwing around the set with Arec Bowrwin's props.

Posted by: sven at October 22, 2021 09:45 AM (Lzpvj)

39 Alec Baldwin will now dedicate his public ravings to the topic of gun safety, attacking others for his own crimes.

Sadly, true.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 22, 2021 09:45 AM (o6WqV)

40 And more to the point, actors are all told, all the time, not to fuck around with prop weapons without explicit and specific setup, guidance and walk-throughs by the the people who designed all the stuff. If that little story about on-set recklessness is true, Baldwin needs to go down. They *all* know better. Guns on set (and knives to a lesser extent, but still very much true) mean "serious up and be careful, you retard."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 22, 2021 09:45 AM (DU+/6)

41 I mean, Alec is a funny and talented guy but obviously a serious problem mentally and in maturity. He's a massive alkie and probably on other drugs, and has repeatedly had huge problems with public outbursts and crazy, destructive behavior.

Why he was in arms reach of an actual, loaded gun is baffling though. Why even have a live firearm on a set? Why even have real bullets on a set???

THAT is the crux, the linchpin, the fulcrum, the armature. Why was he pointing the gun at non-actors?

Frustration at cost and time overruns and the director wanting to do more reshoots to get the scene right. Producers have always had problems with this, because its money out of their pocket.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 22, 2021 09:45 AM (KZzsI)

42 "Wasn't my fault. That weapons guy should have checked it. It was his job not mine. I wasn't negligent."

Can't wait to see the blooper reel.

Posted by: Mr. Barky at October 22, 2021 09:45 AM (3ljqN)

43 26 Hey, TJM, took some advice of yours. Moved Adele to chapter one this morning. Will talk more this weekend after I've printed out and fully digested your comments.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 22, 2021 09:43 AM (2JVJo)

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Cool!

I will feel not bad at all if you think some of my advice bad, but I'm glad you think at least some of it is good.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 22, 2021 09:45 AM (LvTSG)

44 "Another take? How about I just shoot the both of ya?"

That sounds very plausible to me. Stupid recklessness.

Posted by: You're Gonna Need A Bigger gp at October 22, 2021 09:45 AM (qpX6U)

45 I got a nickel that says "no charges."

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 22, 2021 09:45 AM (/KPLX)

46 When bad things happen to bad people. Not referring to the victims, just the perp.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 22, 2021 09:45 AM (Xrfse)

47 Terry McAuliffe shot himself in the foot. It seems Lefties have a habit of fucking up their lives. We should really listen to these people. And elect them to powerful positions, too!

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 22, 2021 09:46 AM (bA3Ln)

48 Textbook Depraved Heart Murder which NM calls Depraved Mind Murder.

Posted by: Thesokorus at October 22, 2021 09:46 AM (1ais2)

49 No one's funny enough to skate for two homicides. Put him on the Chauvin standard, please.

Posted by: trev006 at October 22, 2021 09:46 AM (RJToO)

50 34 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 22, 2021 09:44 AM (LvTSG)

Absolutely, having groceries to be robbed is a societal flaw as well....

while busy uninventing the wheel we will be entertained by the nation wide production of La Cage Au Folles.

Posted by: sven at October 22, 2021 09:46 AM (Lzpvj)

51 Looks like the film may want to bring in a more stable actor to complete this production. Someone like Randy Quaid.

Posted by: SH (Non-Expert Elite) at October 22, 2021 09:46 AM (sX1BW)

52 49 No one's funny enough to skate for two homicides. Put him on the Chauvin standard, please.
Posted by: trev006 at October 22, 2021 09:46 AM (RJToO)

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He just needs to stay in NY and CA. The local authorities would never turn him over to NM authorities.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 22, 2021 09:46 AM (LvTSG)

53 I'm no lawyer but I see a bunch of lawyer shows on tv, I'm thinking involuntary manslaughter.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 22, 2021 09:46 AM (axyOa)

54 When I heard some of the details, I figured he was goofing around. Still doesn't explain how a prop gun became lethal.

Posted by: WisRich at October 22, 2021 09:46 AM (G0vdT)

55 Muldoon: Let's go, Baldwin!

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at October 22, 2021 09:47 AM (UHVv4)

56 Being a drunk doesn't explain this. Being drunk *at the time* wouldn't explain it. This is stupid, arrogant, reckless behavior.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 22, 2021 09:47 AM (/KPLX)

57 Let's go Baldwin!

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at October 22, 2021 09:47 AM (BrF9g)

58 Looks like the film may want to bring in a more stable actor to complete this production. Someone like Randy Quaid.
Posted by: SH (Non-Expert Elite) at October 22, 2021 09:46 AM (sX1BW)

*snerk*

Posted by: Count de Monet, IF, Unvaccinated Kulak-American at October 22, 2021 09:47 AM (4I/2K)

59 Wonder if the second victim was from pass through...

Posted by: Inogame at October 22, 2021 09:47 AM (53oGX)

60 Credit to Alec Baldwin. He managed to get Ace up early on a Friday.

Posted by: SH (Non-Expert Elite) at October 22, 2021 09:47 AM (sX1BW)

61 " No one's funny enough to skate for two homicides"

One death, other victim is now out of hospital.

Posted by: You're Gonna Need A Bigger gp at October 22, 2021 09:47 AM (qpX6U)

62 Real gun, prop gun, makes no difference.

If you are comfortable enough to aim a firearm at another human being and pull the trigger in a non-life and death situation, you are a psycho.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 22, 2021 09:47 AM (KbCG3)

63 He does have anger issues. I wonder if that factored in?

Posted by: Megthered at October 22, 2021 09:48 AM (apDCw)

64 Baldwin is wrapped around the axle on this one. It was his circus and he was the monkey.

But special allowance will be made because star.

Spit!
He needs prison time. 10 years sounds good. Life sentence.

Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at October 22, 2021 09:48 AM (0OmEj)

65 61 Posted by: You're Gonna Need A Bigger gp at October 22, 2021 09:47 AM (qpX6U)

Ah well we should get a Presidential Medal of Freedom then...

Posted by: sven at October 22, 2021 09:48 AM (Lzpvj)

66 59 Wonder if the second victim was from pass through...
Posted by: Inogame at October 22, 2021 09:47 AM (53oGX)

The dialogue suggests it's more likely he aimed and depressed the trigger twice. Probably more deliberately aimed at the first target and then quickly switching to the second and firing more casually. In rapid succession so he didn't quite process anything had happened after the first shot.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 22, 2021 09:49 AM (z5Vrg)

67 His new nickname is Quick Draw Baldwin.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 22, 2021 09:49 AM (d9FiS)

68 People have the mistaken idea that blanks are harmless. They are deadly at close range. Actor John Eric Hexum shot himself in the head using a prop gun loaded with blanks.


My youngest son was the stage manager for a play in which firearms were used as props. Even though there was no ammo on set, he ALWAYS verified they were unloaded prior to issuing them. I thoroughly hammered home the four rules of firearms safety. One of the actors was an Army vet and ALWAYS verified his pistol was clear upon receipt.

Posted by: butch at October 22, 2021 09:49 AM (cHvOo)

69 When I heard some of the details, I figured he was goofing around. Still doesn't explain how a prop gun became lethal.
Posted by: WisRich at October 22, 2021 09:46 AM (G0vdT)
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A prop gun is often a real gun. "Prop" doesn't mean "disabled" or "toy." It means it is a gun used as a prop. If you're shooting blanks, you need a real gun to do it. And a blank can be lethal depending on range, the composition of the wax slug, the power of the charge, etc. Blanks aren't safe point-blank, for example. And something could have wrong with the blank. Or it was foul play and someone swapped in a live round. No idea. We won't know until the investigation is finished, assuming there is an investigation and that the investigation is honest.

But none of those circumstances - mechanical failure, ranging problem, live round, whatever - matter if he was waving the damn thing around and making jokes with a weapon and that dumbassery ended up getting someone killed.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 22, 2021 09:49 AM (DU+/6)

70 The Baldwin family has some sort of family compound in Skaneateles, NY. I have run into to a couple of Alec's brothers there over the years. My initial take on them is they seem inbred and sketchy.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 22, 2021 09:49 AM (bA3Ln)

71 His defense: "I was in character as OrangeManBad! He's the *real* killer!"

Posted by: kallisto at October 22, 2021 09:49 AM (DJFLF)

72 If you are comfortable enough to aim a firearm at another human being and pull the trigger in a non-life and death situation, you are a psycho.

That is a serious problem. I mean if its a squirt gun, that's one thing but these actually are designed to go bang.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 22, 2021 09:49 AM (KZzsI)

73 I've been on a few sets where guns are used. The safety protocols are daunting, usually a bunch of people standing around the gun and the rounds, examining, counting, etc., before and after the scene, the actual scene.

And never is a gun loaded for a rehearsal, which I understand is what they were doing here. Never.

My speculation? The prop master goofed up bad. Protocols were not followed. And one reason people leave CA to make movies is to escape regulations. Baldwin was the producer, and only he knows. That being said, I feel for him.

Posted by: APJ at October 22, 2021 09:50 AM (G1dq6)

74 So, is Baldwin going to now live his true life as a gay man? Not rhat he'd use "gay" rather than on of his infamous slurs.

Posted by: Spinal Tap at October 22, 2021 09:50 AM (Ojki1)

75 "Ah well we should get a Presidential Medal of Freedom then..."

Not defending the guy, just trying to stick to facts.

Posted by: You're Gonna Need A Bigger gp at October 22, 2021 09:50 AM (qpX6U)

76 Who had Stephen Baldwin being the rational, level-headed one?

Posted by: squid_hunt at October 22, 2021 09:50 AM (7MBHe)

77 Now is the time for common sense Hollywood gun control!

If it saves just one, us, a few lives!

Posted by: Lizzy at October 22, 2021 09:51 AM (bDqIh)

78 I like Skinny Atlas lake. Very pretty.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 22, 2021 09:51 AM (sDu/0)

79 Baldwin was the producer, and only he knows. That being said, I feel for him.

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Good thing he generated all that goodwill with gun people that he can cash in on.

Posted by: SH (Non-Expert Elite) at October 22, 2021 09:51 AM (sX1BW)

80 Good Morning!

Let's smile and be happy & strike fear into the heart of killjoy leftists everywhere.

A reprise from the end of the art thread.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (CQ8KO) at October 22, 2021 09:51 AM (CQ8KO)

81 72 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 22, 2021 09:49 AM (KZzsI)

Eh....

Look I get the dogpile and wish he were going away for 20-30 years but lots of people point blank shooting weapons at other human beings every month for a living in 3 locations globally.

Posted by: sven at October 22, 2021 09:51 AM (Lzpvj)

82 The multi-tiered justice system will ensure Baldwin does no time. The longer nobody is arrested the more likely it is that there will be no justice for the dead and wounded. They or their families will have to burden themselves with a long, expensive civil suit against not only Baldwin, but a host of related personnel who had some responsibility on set.

And it will end with little in the way of justice.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 22, 2021 09:51 AM (BFigT)

83 Way to go Alec

Nice exclamation point for your career

Posted by: Zeera Hunkering down here, Boss at October 22, 2021 09:51 AM (u8V9A)

84 My initial take on them is they seem inbred and sketchy.
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 22, 2021 09:49 AM (bA3Ln)

Secret fact: celebrities in general and the subtribe in particular are way more inbred than any royal family. Carlos I would be in awe.

Posted by: trev006 at October 22, 2021 09:51 AM (RJToO)

85 17 Willowed... Hat tip to commenter Posso from Insty's: "Baldwin killed more people than the Jan 6 protesters."
Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at October 22, 2021 09:42 AM (UHVv4)

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That's an important observation.

Posted by: Seems Legit at October 22, 2021 09:51 AM (DcKNO)

86 >>So, is Baldwin going to now live his true life as a gay man? Not rhat he'd use "gay" rather than on of his infamous slurs.


Or maybe become a trans-Spaniard like his wife, Hilary Hilaria?

Posted by: Lizzy at October 22, 2021 09:52 AM (bDqIh)

87
Has the NRA been blamed for this, yet?

Have YOU and YOUR guns been blamed for this, yet?

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 09:52 AM (aGUIs)

88 72 If you are comfortable enough to aim a firearm at another human being and pull the trigger in a non-life and death situation, you are a psycho.

That is a serious problem. I mean if its a squirt gun, that's one thing but these actually are designed to go bang.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 22, 2021 09:49 AM (KZzsI)

That's the point. Even a prop gun is designed to be realistic. But the bigger point is, even though it's still dangerous, pointing a gun at someone is one thing. Actually pulling the fucking trigger? Wtf?

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 22, 2021 09:52 AM (KbCG3)

89 That being said, I feel for him.
Posted by: APJ at October 22, 2021 09:50 AM

I don't Fuck him, he's made countless movies with violent scenes with guns, he should have known better. Then he did and will continue to lecture people about guns while he's made millions using them, fake or not. The difference between Arec and me, I've never killed or wounded another person. So to summarize. Fuck that guy.

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 22, 2021 09:52 AM (NWbsw)

90 74 So, is Baldwin going to now live his true life as a gay man? Not rhat he'd use "gay" rather than on of his infamous slurs.

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Gay is so 2002. To get sympathy he'll need to cut his dick off.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at October 22, 2021 09:52 AM (xDXlt)

91 75 Posted by: You're Gonna Need A Bigger gp at October 22, 2021 09:50 AM (qpX6U)

The fact is he recklessly endangered two lives and took one.

Were he "Gerald Weaver Small Time Dinner Theater Producer" he'd be in cuffs already.

Instead he is a valued Biden ally.

Posted by: sven at October 22, 2021 09:52 AM (Lzpvj)

92 On the heartless side, I bet all involved are gun-grabbing progs

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at October 22, 2021 09:52 AM (YZG/i)

93 I've been on a few sets where guns are used. The safety protocols are daunting, usually a bunch of people standing around the gun and the rounds, examining, counting, etc., before and after the scene, the actual scene.

Why the hell would they even have live ammunition on the studio grounds, let alone on set? You can technically kill someone with blanks (or if its a revolver with those dummy rounds are in place, just ask Brandon Lee), but you have to be pretty darn close.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 22, 2021 09:53 AM (KZzsI)

94 Somebody brought a live bullet to the set. That does not seem like 'negligence' - it seems premeditated. Who and why are the next logical questions.

Posted by: 496 at October 22, 2021 09:53 AM (VJsqe)

95 How is Trump responsible for this?

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at October 22, 2021 09:53 AM (xDXlt)

96 Alec Baldwin is a sick psychopath

so, a normal American leftist

he needs to go live in a Mexican prison for a while

Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 22, 2021 09:53 AM (j9HX3)

97 My speculation? The prop master goofed up bad. Protocols were not followed. And one reason people leave CA to make movies is to escape regulations. Baldwin was the producer, and only he knows. That being said, I feel for him.
Posted by: APJ at October 22, 2021 09:50 AM (G1dq6)
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Accidents involving firearms on set are usually - absent foul play - down tot he prop master or firearms master losing track of the count or having weapons loaded when they're not supposed to be.

And if actors had good firearms training and practice to know the general rules (not the "movie rules") about weapons, they would happen even less. Even if it's a rehearsal, you check the weapon and throw up a red flag and say, "yo! Prop master! There's a round in here! Did you mean for that to happen?!" The prop master gets embarrassed and reprimanded and nobody gets hurt.

But these guys are commie libs and most are stringently anti-gun and most of those guys don't take it seriously. The system put this gun in my hand, the system works, and I don't need to learn about this icky thing.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 22, 2021 09:53 AM (DU+/6)

98 70 The Baldwin family has some sort of family compound in Skaneateles, NY. I have run into to a couple of Alec's brothers there over the years. My initial take on them is they seem inbred and sketchy.
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 22, 2021 09:49 AM (bA3Ln)

Stephen Baldwin seemed a bit skeevy during the 90s, especially if you saw him in "BioDome" and in some Skinemax stuff. He gets lampooned as the weakest Baldwin, but AFAIK, he's on the straight and narrow path now and I can think of no incidents with him.

Posted by: Thrawn at October 22, 2021 09:53 AM (5aFbR)

99 "Were he "Gerald Weaver Small Time Dinner Theater Producer" he'd be in cuffs already."

No argument from me about that.

Posted by: You're Gonna Need A Bigger gp at October 22, 2021 09:53 AM (qpX6U)

100 90 74 So, is Baldwin going to now live his true life as a gay man? Not rhat he'd use "gay" rather than on of his infamous slurs.

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Gay is so 2002. To get sympathy he'll need to cut his dick off.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at October 22, 2021 09:52 AM (xDXlt)

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No, those aren't the rules. He just needs to identify as trans. His gender changes on an hourly basis. He has arm bands to help others figure it out.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 22, 2021 09:53 AM (LvTSG)

101 >>>A prop gun is often a real gun. "Prop" doesn't mean "disabled" or "toy." It means it is a gun used as a prop. If you're shooting blanks, you need a real gun to do it. And a blank can be lethal depending on range, the composition of the wax slug, the power of the charge, etc. Blanks aren't safe point-blank, for example. And something could have wrong with the blank.

real bullets are sometimes put into prop guns. For example, if the bullets in the revolver would be visible to the camera.

This is why stupid drunks should not just pick up a gun from a table and start shooting people as a "joke."

Posted by: ace at October 22, 2021 09:54 AM (0G13K)

102 My speculation? The prop master goofed up bad. Protocols were not followed.

Nobody 'goofs up' and puts a live round in on a movie set.

Posted by: t-bird at October 22, 2021 09:54 AM (OFJlJ)

103 96 Alec Baldwin is a sick psychopath

so, a normal American leftist

he needs to go live in a Mexican prison for a while
Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 22, 2021 09:53 AM (j9HX3)

Well, one of his characters went into a Mexican prison for a year (The Getaway), so he should already know what to expect, right?

Posted by: Thrawn at October 22, 2021 09:54 AM (5aFbR)

104 >>On the heartless side, I bet all involved are gun-grabbing progs


His past tweets (being found and posted) indicate he has NO sympathy for anyone who's misfired a gun, nor broken a law in service of a non-progressive cause.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 22, 2021 09:54 AM (bDqIh)

105 Look I get the dogpile and wish he were going away for 20-30 years but lots of people point blank shooting weapons at other human beings every month for a living in 3 locations globally.
Posted by: sven


Baldwin is the wrong color.
No, I do not denounce myself.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 22, 2021 09:54 AM (OCTRt)

106 A gun control advocate using guns in his own movie.

The irony is rich.

Posted by: TANSTAAFL6823 at October 22, 2021 09:54 AM (fBtlL)

107
We are not being told what really happened.
None of this makes any sense.

I'm not saying Alex Cocksucker Baldwin murdered that woman and tried to murder the director, But I Do Know This:

It Did Not Happen Like They Say It Happened.

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 09:54 AM (aGUIs)

108 Pay Day for the victims family. Sue that cocksucker until he has to live in a cardboard box under a bridge.

Posted by: Capital Eff at October 22, 2021 09:54 AM (2xGy+)

109 I heard about this last night and didn't know he was the one with the gun. What a horrible person.

Posted by: banana Dream at October 22, 2021 09:54 AM (+gFOr)

110 66 59 Wonder if the second victim was from pass through...
Posted by: Inogame at October 22, 2021 09:47 AM (53oGX)

The dialogue suggests it's more likely he aimed and depressed the trigger twice. Probably more deliberately aimed at the first target and then quickly switching to the second and firing more casually. In rapid succession so he didn't quite process anything had happened after the first shot.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 22, 2021 09:49 AM (z5Vrg)

I thought I read a statement from the police that there was a single live round. Can remember where, because seems that everyone is picking this up.

Posted by: Inogame at October 22, 2021 09:54 AM (53oGX)

111 101 real bullets are sometimes put into prop guns. For example, if the bullets in the revolver would be visible to the camera.

This is why stupid drunks should not just pick up a gun from a table and start shooting people as a "joke."
Posted by: ace at October 22, 2021 09:54 AM (0G13K)

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This feels like it's related to the story at hand, but I'm not quite sure how...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 22, 2021 09:54 AM (LvTSG)

112 Look I get the dogpile and wish he were going away for 20-30 years but lots of people point blank shooting weapons at other human beings every month for a living in 3 locations globally.

I don't think he should be locked away for decades, but clearly he deliberately caused the death of two people and was entirely responsible for the entire thing. That has to have consequences beyond community service and a slap on the wrist.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 22, 2021 09:55 AM (KZzsI)

113 94 Somebody brought a live bullet to the set. That does not seem like 'negligence' - it seems premeditated. Who and why are the next logical questions.
Posted by: 496 at October 22, 2021 09:53 AM (VJsqe)

Maybe we'll find out Baldwin was in the habit of being reckless with firearms and someone with a grudge replaced the ammo. Or maybe when the blanks were being provided from whomever produces such things some accidentally got swapped with live rounds in production(no idea how likely this second one is, could it be as simple as packages being mislabeled?).

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 22, 2021 09:55 AM (z5Vrg)

114 Gay is so 2002. To get sympathy he'll need to cut his dick off.
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Do that and they will make him an Admiral.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 22, 2021 09:55 AM (bA3Ln)

115
Alec Baldwin has now killed more people than 99.95% of legal gun owners in the US.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 22, 2021 09:55 AM (/U27+)

116 Somebody brought a live bullet to the set. That does not seem like 'negligence' - it seems premeditated. Who and why are the next logical questions.
Posted by: 496 at October 22, 2021 09:53 AM (VJsqe)
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Or he was point-blank and fired a blank round designed for more distance. Or there was an equipment failure. There's lots of ways for shit to wrong. The best way to avoid things going catastrophically pear-shaped in these circumstances is "don't fuck around and play games with deadly weapons."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 22, 2021 09:55 AM (DU+/6)

117 109 I heard about this last night and didn't know he was the one with the gun. What a horrible person.
Posted by: banana Dream at October 22, 2021 09:54 AM (+gFOr)

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Wonderful things were done by the passive voice.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 22, 2021 09:55 AM (LvTSG)

118 >>> but lots of people point blank shooting weapons at other human beings every month for a living in 3 locations globally

I had a squad leader who liked to give a demonstration involving a blank round and a section of cleaning rod. It could stick pretty far into a pine tree Young soldiers got the point.

Posted by: fluffy at October 22, 2021 09:55 AM (kJ62Y)

119 real bullets are sometimes put into prop guns. For example, if the bullets in the revolver would be visible to the camera.

They use dummy rounds for that, unless they're just cheap and insane or stupid. I mean, they can still be deadly (again, ask Brandon Lee's family) but they aren't actual bullets.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 22, 2021 09:56 AM (KZzsI)

120 Credit to Alec Baldwin. He managed to get Ace up early on a Friday.
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The shot heard around the world!

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at October 22, 2021 09:56 AM (UHVv4)

121 "Another take? How about I just shoot the both of ya?"

If that account is accurate, yes, he absolutely needs to go to prison.

Posted by: You're Gonna Need A Bigger gp at October 22, 2021 09:56 AM (qpX6U)

122 The dead woman was most likely a far leftist as well. So my give a fuck meter is still pretty close to zero. I do want Alec to pay dearly, but we all know he won't. Worst case he'll do 100 hours of community service and donate $1M to anti-gun grups.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at October 22, 2021 09:56 AM (xDXlt)

123
Alternate post title:

This Is Just Not Alec Baldwin's And His Fake Spanish Wife's Year

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 09:56 AM (aGUIs)

124 Nah. He'll be going after the NRA. Everyone knows they're culpable

Posted by: Joe stinkyfingers at October 22, 2021 09:56 AM (SWHSV)

125 Today is 10/22.

Ruger Day.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 22, 2021 09:56 AM (OCTRt)

126 67 His new nickname is Quick Draw Baldwin.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 22, 2021 09:49 AM (d9FiS)

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Sure, but people who have known him for any length of time still use the old nickname: Disgusting hot-headed idiot.

Posted by: 496 at October 22, 2021 09:56 AM (VJsqe)

127 It is long past time for Reasonable Alec Baldwin Controls.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 22, 2021 09:56 AM (o6WqV)

128 Don't point that helicopter at me, Baldwin.

Posted by: Vic Morrow at October 22, 2021 09:57 AM (f5sl8)

129 113 94 Somebody brought a live bullet to the set. That does not seem like 'negligence' - it seems premeditated. Who and why are the next logical questions.
Posted by: 496 at October 22, 2021 09:53 AM (VJsqe)

Maybe we'll find out Baldwin was in the habit of being reckless with firearms and someone with a grudge replaced the ammo. Or maybe when the blanks were being provided from whomever produces such things some accidentally got swapped with live rounds in production(no idea how likely this second one is, could it be as simple as packages being mislabeled?).
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 22, 2021 09:55 AM (z5Vrg)

These are actors on a movie set. This is probably completely fake. I'm excited to see the background on the victims. And how this furthers the narrative.

Posted by: Thesokorus at October 22, 2021 09:57 AM (1ais2)

130 This is why stupid drunks should not just pick up a gun from a table and start shooting people as a "joke."
Posted by: ace at October 22, 2021 09:54 AM (0G13K)


Or even smart ones.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 22, 2021 09:57 AM (axyOa)

131
Somebody did something.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 22, 2021 09:57 AM (/U27+)

132 Why even have a live firearm on a set? Why even have real bullets on a set???
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor


As stated above, you use a real gun to fire blanks.

If a scene called for actual destruction, like firing through a door Biden-style, maybe using a real round would be easier than using a blank and adding the damage with CGI? And maybe he "forgot" he had the real gun and/or the real ammo at the time? Or he's just a stupid asshole, and Occam's Razor would apply.

Posted by: mikeski at October 22, 2021 09:57 AM (P1f+c)

133 Remember that awful, horrible, abusive voicemail he left for his 12 year old daughter...calling her a "pig"?

And we all discovered his true character? All of us except for raging libtards, I soon discovered. A couple of my friends didn't think it was a big deal. What they had in common? "Vote blue no matter who".

Posted by: kallisto at October 22, 2021 09:57 AM (DJFLF)

134 126 Sure, but people who have known him for any length of time still use the old nickname: Disgusting hot-headed idiot.
Posted by: 496 at October 22, 2021 09:56 AM (VJsqe)

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"I just call him Limp Dick McGee."
-Kim Basinger

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 22, 2021 09:57 AM (LvTSG)

135 Expect zero legal action.

If say a conservative actor had done this, or just a nobody out in the desert screwing around, they would throw the book at them.

Posted by: Blago at October 22, 2021 09:57 AM (60dEi)

136 Agree from a comment up thread, picking up any gun, even a bb gun, aiming it at someone and pulling the trigger (pulling the trigger is the key part) is an anathema (?) to a responsible gun user.

Posted by: Seems Legit at October 22, 2021 09:57 AM (DcKNO)

137 Christopher, yes, they have blanks, and they can be lethal too. That's why the protocols are so extensive....most of the time. Not this production, it seems. As for "real" bullets, sometimes they will have one for a closeup shot of a guy loading his gun, for instance and sloppy procedures can mix them up.

One problem is that like some have said here, if he and the general population actually knew how to handle a gun and did not treat it like a nuke or worse a joke, this never would have happened.

Posted by: APJ at October 22, 2021 09:57 AM (G1dq6)

138 real bullets are sometimes put into prop guns. For example, if the bullets in the revolver would be visible to the camera.

This is why stupid drunks should not just pick up a gun from a table and start shooting people as a "joke."
Posted by: ace at October 22, 2021 09:54 AM (0G13K)
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That would also be a real breakdown in the prop master's procedures. In those cases, there might be a real bullet in a real piece of brass, but there's not supposed to be any power or primers in that brass. That's why most scenes that show guy a loading a gun with real bullets with primers cut to the next shot - spinning the chamber, slapping the magazine in, whatever - in order to enable the off-camera reloading properly.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 22, 2021 09:57 AM (DU+/6)

139 Perhaps the dummy round broke up and hit both of them. If he fired twice it is straight up murder.

Posted by: steevy at October 22, 2021 09:58 AM (CYnTg)

140 45 I got a nickel that says "no charges."

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 22, 2021 09:45 AM (/KPLX)

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On the short list for Nobel Peace Prize.

Posted by: ShainS -- State-Stamped Sluggish Schizophrenic at October 22, 2021 09:58 AM (mZ3xv)

141 If it's true he said what they say he did before shooting, what a horribly perfect demonstration of the difference between disaster and tragedy.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 22, 2021 09:58 AM (6FeV1)

142
Doods and doodettes, within the next 72 hours this will all be forgotten AND alex baldwin will come out and say See? This is why we need more gun control now more than ever!

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 09:58 AM (aGUIs)

143 Was a blood test done on Baldwin?
At the plant I worked at, any hospital type injury required a blood test to determine if alcohol and/or drugs were involved.

Posted by: Bruce at October 22, 2021 09:58 AM (vd8XM)

144 They have a case for voluntary manslaughter. That will of course go nowhere. However wrongful death will be much harder for Baldwin to dodge.

Posted by: mikethemoose at October 22, 2021 09:58 AM (T/vhV)

145 Baldwin kills one and wounds another with 1 bullet while not even trying.

Rittenhouse kills two and wounds 1 with three rounds while under attack and significant stress.

Who has the higher efficiency/effectiveness rating?

Posted by: Moron Mathematician at October 22, 2021 09:58 AM (NCgXW)

146 Imagine if Jon Voight did this.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 22, 2021 09:58 AM (sDu/0)

147 Alec Baldwin has now killed more people than 99.95% of legal gun owners in the US.
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Baldwin killed more people than the January 6 political prisoners, and they are in solitary in the Garland Archipelago.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 22, 2021 09:58 AM (o6WqV)

148 135 Expect zero legal action.

If say a conservative actor had done this, or just a nobody out in the desert screwing around, they would throw the book at them.

Posted by: Blago at October 22, 2021 09:57 AM (60dEi)

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It'd be fun if this became a big issue in the 2022 NM gubernatorial race, and Michelle Grisham lost her post to the Republican specifically because her administration lets Baldwin walk.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 22, 2021 09:59 AM (LvTSG)

149 I thought after Brandon Lee getting killed in "The Crow" they really started taking this shit more seriously on movie sets.

Posted by: Blago at October 22, 2021 09:59 AM (60dEi)

150 >>Wonder if the second victim was from pass through...


Per actress Frances Fisher, he's already been discharged.


@Frances_Fisher

Hi @shannonrwatts

Those quotes are incorrect. And our director Joel Souza is out of hospital. I don't subscribe to the daily beast so if that's what they're saying, they are wrong.
Will you please correct them?

Posted by: Lizzy at October 22, 2021 09:59 AM (bDqIh)

151 Always Be Closing.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at October 22, 2021 09:59 AM (vuisn)

152 But the bigger point is, even though it's still dangerous, pointing a gun at someone is one thing. Actually pulling the fucking trigger? Wtf?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 22, 2021 09:52 AM (KbCG3)

He has no respect for firearms, even the prop variety, and for him it was just a cap gun to play cowboys and Indians with. ooopsie.

It will be interesting to see the mechanical issue at work. Not a typical blank injury from the description. With a catastrophic physical failure with the prop, a live gun being used as a prop with live ammo, somehow; a concealed carry or security firearm was laying out...

Posted by: Keith - Pinochet/Bell Helicopter 202447 at October 22, 2021 09:59 AM (jdGlx)

153 sometimes they will have one for a closeup shot of a guy loading his gun, for instance and sloppy procedures can mix them up.

You can get dummy bullets for just that kind of thing unless your idiotic and cheap. I certainly would do that rather than let some brain dead arrogant actor handle real bullets in a real gun.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 22, 2021 09:59 AM (KZzsI)

154 149 I thought after Brandon Lee getting killed in "The Crow" they really started taking this shit more seriously on movie sets.

Posted by: Blago at October 22, 2021 09:59 AM (60dEi)

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They do, but this sounds like a small production that gives crew several jobs, and Baldwin was producer, ie the boss.

Rules got skirted.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 22, 2021 09:59 AM (LvTSG)

155 Not that it ever is but ignorance is no defence as I'm sure sometime in his long career propmasters et alia have told him generically "You don't fuck around with the weapons -- real or prop" during orientations; and probably directly told him about a specific incident as I'd imagine this wasn't his first time fucking around with a piece on a set.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at October 22, 2021 10:00 AM (UHVv4)

156 Regardless of whether a DA punts on any prosecution or not, Alec Baldwin should be shunned and shamed by every movie fan in the country. Clearly a willful disregard for their lives to aim at those folks even if he was positive the gun had the usual blanks.

But we are a fallen country so he'll probably get lots of tongue bathing from idiot wimmen who feel sorry for him and "see this is exactly why guns are dangerous and should be banned"

Posted by: PaleRider, wrecker at October 22, 2021 10:00 AM (pxVvf)

157
Was a blood test done on Baldwin?

_________

"Oops! An oversight." - Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 22, 2021 10:00 AM (/U27+)

158 Enjoying the Rube Goldberg concantenation of clusterfu6ks speculation as to how this happened.

Maybe actors were acting?

Posted by: Thesokorus at October 22, 2021 10:00 AM (1ais2)

159 I think I see the problem here.

The person at the top that was responsible to make sure only blanks were used is the Producer.

The person at the bottom responsible is to make sure a live round was not pointed at a live person was the actor.

Both those persons were Alec Baldwin.
Posted by: SH (Non-Expert Elite) at October 22, 2021 09:43 AM (sX1BW)


But it's his set now, his command. He's in charge, the boss, the head man, top dog, big cheese, a head honcho, number one...

Posted by: Rex Kramer at October 22, 2021 10:00 AM (4I/2K)

160 True, Joe Mannix, I think the gun wrangler is in trouble, not to mention the guilt he has to carry now. And maybe Baldwin too, if he was cutting corners.

Posted by: APJ at October 22, 2021 10:00 AM (G1dq6)

161 Its a western... my theory? they were trying to get a full on shot of him 'fanning'... towards the camera. Stock shot in Westerns.

'Fanning' is inherently inaccurate... so add in live rounds, pointed towards the camera, and someone checking to see if the shot is 'just right'?

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 22, 2021 10:00 AM (oHd/0)

162 He just needs to stay in NY and CA. The local authorities would never turn him over to NM authorities.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 22, 2021 09:46 AM (LvTSG)

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The Biden Junta will give him his own Secret Service and Capitol Police protection detail.

Posted by: ShainS -- State-Stamped Sluggish Schizophrenic at October 22, 2021 10:00 AM (mZ3xv)

163 I thought after Brandon Lee getting killed in "The Crow" they really started taking this shit more seriously on movie sets.

They did, at least on serious movie sets not run by an unstable drunken idiot.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 22, 2021 10:00 AM (KZzsI)

164 He has gotten away with things that would end up with me and you behind bars multiple times.

Posted by: steevy at October 22, 2021 10:01 AM (CYnTg)

165 >>>This is why we need more gun control now more than ever!

Yes every man woman and child should be taught safe gun handling over a variety of weapons and demonstrate operational proficiency and reasonable accuracy with each.

That sort of understanding and respect for firearms would go a long way to prevent these types of tragedies.

If saves only one life.

Posted by: mikethemoose at October 22, 2021 10:01 AM (T/vhV)

166 "The dead woman was most likely a far leftist as well."

I haven't found evidence of that yet. Ukrainian immigrant, from military family. Looks like she was enjoying the start of an enviable dream career.

Posted by: You're Gonna Need A Bigger gp at October 22, 2021 10:01 AM (qpX6U)

167 I bet he was half tanked.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 22, 2021 10:01 AM (sDu/0)

168 Was a blood test done on Baldwin?

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"Oops! An oversight." - Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 22, 2021 10:00 AM (/U27+)

good point.

Posted by: LASue at October 22, 2021 10:01 AM (Ed8Zd)

169 164 He has gotten away with things that would end up with me and you behind bars multiple times.
Posted by: steevy at October 22, 2021 10:01 AM (CYnTg)

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*nods sagaciously*

Bedding prime Kim Basinger.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 22, 2021 10:01 AM (LvTSG)

170 Where were the Clintons?

Posted by: Jimco Industries at October 22, 2021 10:01 AM (buTO7)

171 Don't point that helicopter at me, Baldwin.

Posted by: Vic Morrow at October 22, 2021 09:57 AM (f5sl

Don't listen to Vic. I still get work.

Posted by: John Landis at October 22, 2021 10:01 AM (uhPTO)

172 Maybe this was a love triangle and Baldwin thought this would be the perfect crime.

Posted by: smarty at October 22, 2021 10:02 AM (LCKbS)

173 Baldwin is a stupid cunt of a man. This was inevitable eventually he was going to kill someone somehow.

He is the type you know.

Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at October 22, 2021 10:02 AM (0OmEj)

174 LMAO at this guy trolling checkmarks based on him claiming he has evidence from the shooting (gun, bullets, ect...) to get them to DM him and posting his balls with the stuff at the end.
Get this man's nuts a cape!

https://mobile.twitter.com/CheckmarkAbuser/

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 22, 2021 10:02 AM (tLzK1)

175 OH wait... he's a Democrat, and she was a White Woman?

Was she in a window? Because if so, it makes everything AOK!

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 22, 2021 10:02 AM (oHd/0)

176 Agree from a comment up thread, picking up any gun, even a bb gun, aiming it at someone and pulling the trigger (pulling the trigger is the key part) is an anathema (?) to a responsible gun user.
Posted by: Seems Legit at October 22, 2021 09:57 AM (DcKNO)
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That's the key point - responsible gun user. Most Hollywood actors are not. Most are anti-gun. Most don't have any practice or training. They get the weapon from the prop master and assume everything is fine. They're idiots for the most part.

And in the situation where you used it, you don't need the article. For example "Such weird outcomes are an anathema" but "such actions are anathema to him."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 22, 2021 10:02 AM (DU+/6)

177 169 That's not illegal...

Posted by: steevy at October 22, 2021 10:02 AM (CYnTg)

178 Today is 10/22.
Ruger Day.

Serendipitous... I have my EC-9s out for cleaning.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 22, 2021 10:02 AM (BFigT)

179 Every gun is always loaded.

Also, Alec Baldwin is always loaded.

Posted by: 496 at October 22, 2021 10:02 AM (VJsqe)

180 And maybe Baldwin too, if he was cutting corners.

I can't see how anyone is responsible except Baldwin. He hired the guy to wrangle the guns. He was in charge at every level. He picked up the gun. He pointed it at someone deliberately. He issued a comical threat. He pulled the trigger. Twice.

I have lived around alcoholics before. They won't listen. They don't care what you said. They only care about themselves.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 22, 2021 10:02 AM (KZzsI)

181 Big name leftwing actor murders people...and you think he's in trouble?

He'll make a big anti-gun speech, claim he would be in a movie with guns in the future, and the FNM will say it is time to move on.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 22, 2021 10:02 AM (ESjRY)

182
"America's Gun Culture" and "America's love affair with guns and violence" will be blamed for this, not the famous hollywood celery.

wHy dO wE nEeD tO mAkE aLl ThEsE mOvIeS wItH gUnS?!!?

and

sToP gLoRifYiNg GuNs!!

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 10:02 AM (aGUIs)

183 what an fucking asshole

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 22, 2021 10:02 AM (XvPQV)

184 Were there any nooses on the set? If so, send in the FBI.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 22, 2021 10:03 AM (bA3Ln)

185 Won't be in a movie with guns in the future...sorry

Posted by: 18-1 at October 22, 2021 10:03 AM (ESjRY)

186 This may have been mentioned before but....

Was this fired during the filming a scene? Or was he just fucking around with the gun?

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at October 22, 2021 10:03 AM (xDXlt)

187 I wonder if his Spanish wife who happens to be from a Spanish area of Spain and is Spanish is sobbing in a distraught Spanish way over this and saying Spanish things Spanishly in regards.

Posted by: banana Dream at October 22, 2021 10:03 AM (+gFOr)

188 Its always about love or money, or the Clintons.

Posted by: Jimco Industries at October 22, 2021 10:03 AM (buTO7)

189 I remember the Twilight Zone manslaughter/negligence case generally but don't remember the outcome. Didn't someone end up in jail?

Hopefully even if the lefty cops ignore this, the Insurance companies will get to the bottom of this, at least civilly.

Posted by: LASue at October 22, 2021 10:03 AM (Ed8Zd)

190 169 164 He has gotten away with things that would end up with me and you behind bars multiple times.
Posted by: steevy at October 22, 2021 10:01 AM (CYnTg)

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*nods sagaciously*

Bedding prime Kim Basinger.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 22, 2021 10:01 AM (LvTSG)

Dude deserved an Oscar for Miami Blues too

Posted by: Thesokorus at October 22, 2021 10:03 AM (1ais2)

191 sometimes they will have one for a closeup shot of a guy loading his gun, for instance and sloppy procedures can mix them up.
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Why have a firing pin in a prop gun, at all? Just add the round discharge sounds later...

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 22, 2021 10:03 AM (o6WqV)

192 Was it a live round (or 2 rounds), or blank(s)?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 22, 2021 10:03 AM (/XOcP)

193 Does anyone here work in movies? Is it standard practice to use an actual working gun as a prop?

Posted by: Ted Torgerson at October 22, 2021 10:03 AM (vN+oL)

194
I've been drunk before. Never pointed a gun at someone for no reason, though.

Posted by: The Rt. Rev. Yudhishthira's Dice at October 22, 2021 10:03 AM (/KPLX)

195 "Agree from a comment up thread, picking up any gun, even a bb gun, aiming it at someone and pulling the trigger (pulling the trigger is the key part) is an anathema (?) to a responsible gun user."

THIS. Regardless of work rules, protocols, regulations, etc, people need to learn that is their personal responsibility to follow the four cardinal rules of gun safety, at all times. Then this cannot happen.

Posted by: You're Gonna Need A Bigger gp at October 22, 2021 10:03 AM (qpX6U)

196


John Eric Hexum and Pete Duell could not be reached for comment.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 22, 2021 10:04 AM (s2VJv)

197 Yes every man woman and child should be taught safe gun handling over a variety of weapons and demonstrate operational proficiency and reasonable accuracy with each.

Every school should teach gun safety and proper handling. Along with how to cook a meal, how to repair basic things, and how to build basic things.

All classes that used to be in many American schools, and were cut for more woke crap.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 22, 2021 10:04 AM (KZzsI)

198 Someone upthread mentioned the Garland Archipelago.

Glenn Greenwald is doing great work exposing the FIB involvement in the events of 1/6. He's using Rumble, but it appears he's also going to post on his Substack:

https://tinyurl.com/23pc7622

Posted by: kallisto at October 22, 2021 10:04 AM (DJFLF)

199 Remember that awful, horrible, abusive voicemail he left for his 12 year old daughter...calling her a "pig"?...A couple of my friends didn't think it was a big deal.

Bet their kids turned out just fine. Heh.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 22, 2021 10:04 AM (Xrfse)

200 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 22, 2021 10:04 AM (KZzsI)

That would require teachers that can build things and fix things.

Posted by: Ted Torgerson at October 22, 2021 10:05 AM (vN+oL)

201 This may have been mentioned before but....

Was this fired during the filming a scene? Or was he just fucking around with the gun?
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at October 22, 2021 10:03 AM (xDXlt)
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Not sure yet. The statement in the picture in the main post indicates that he was fucking around between takes, but I don't think anything is publicly known yet.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 22, 2021 10:05 AM (DU+/6)

202 How many movies was John Wayne in that required him shooting a gun?

How many people were killed?

Yet John is considered the racist war monger.

Posted by: Bruce at October 22, 2021 10:05 AM (vd8XM)

203 We won't know until the investigation is finished, assuming there is an investigation and that the investigation is honest.

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Not to worry, Chris Wray is pulling a couple of FBI Agents off of the nationwide noose crisis detail and they're on it!

Top.Men.

Posted by: ShainS -- State-Stamped Sluggish Schizophrenic at October 22, 2021 10:05 AM (mZ3xv)

204
Cynical prediction: the investigative report on this will have no relation to the events that actually transpired.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 22, 2021 10:05 AM (/U27+)

205 Alec Baldwin is married to that nut job Hilaria Baldwin who lied about being from Spain when she was really a Boston Brahmin. Crazy attracts crazy?

Posted by: Jmel at October 22, 2021 10:05 AM (DwLKy)

206 If I was an actor in Hollywood with any sort of gun scene, I'd make damn sure MYSELF what it was loaded with. I wouldn't rely on some assistant that handed me a gun and promised it didn't have real bullets in it.

Of course, you'd have to know guns to know what to look for.

Posted by: Blago at October 22, 2021 10:05 AM (60dEi)

207
Who wants to bet left nuts that the corrupt FBI will insert themselves into this?

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 10:05 AM (aGUIs)

208 Imma having a hard time imagining Alec Baldwin as a rootin tootin cowboy in the wild wild west. Just sayin.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 22, 2021 10:05 AM (bA3Ln)

209 real bullets are sometimes put into prop guns. For example, if the bullets in the revolver would be visible to the camera.

This is why stupid drunks should not just pick up a gun from a table and start shooting people as a "joke."
Posted by: ace at October 22, 2021 09:54 AM

They could use "dummy" rounds where the primer and or powder is removed. Using a live round on set seems insane.

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 22, 2021 10:05 AM (NWbsw)

210 Movies where they CGI in gunshots look so ,so bad

Posted by: steevy at October 22, 2021 10:05 AM (CYnTg)

211 186 This may have been mentioned before but....

Was this fired during the filming a scene? Or was he just fucking around with the gun?
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at October 22, 2021 10:03 AM (xDXlt)

If the dialogue provided is correct, it sounds like the immediate aftermath of filming a scene.

"Another take? How about I just fucking shoot both of you?" before firing on the pair.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 22, 2021 10:05 AM (z5Vrg)

212 Every school should teach gun safety and proper handling. Along with how to cook a meal, how to repair basic things, and how to build basic things.

All classes that used to be in many American schools, and were cut for more woke crap.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 22, 2021 10:04 AM (KZzsI)
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Gun safety training in school from my youth:
"When you see a gun, remember: Stop! Don't Touch! Stand back five feet! Go tell an adult!"

No joke. That was in a classroom video. I was in elementary school, I think.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 22, 2021 10:06 AM (DU+/6)

213 "Was this fired during the filming a scene? Or was he just fucking around with the gun? "

This is a good question. If he was on a second take, doesn't that mean he'd already fired the gun?

Posted by: squid_hunt at October 22, 2021 10:06 AM (7MBHe)

214 >>"Agree from a comment up thread, picking up any gun, even a bb gun, aiming it at someone and pulling the trigger (pulling the trigger is the key part) is an anathema (?) to a responsible gun user."


From the good Baldwin who knows about guns on set:
@AdamBaldwin

If you're pointing a weapon at anyone on set without permission from the armorer, director and 1st AD, then you should be reprimanded for the first offense, fired for the second.

If you do so and harm/kill someone, you should be be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 22, 2021 10:06 AM (bDqIh)

215 He'll be hosting SNL and doing a shit (meant to type "skit"... but I'll leave it there) about this mess by year's end.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 22, 2021 10:06 AM (6FeV1)

216 Why have a firing pin in a prop gun, at all? Just add the round discharge sounds later...
Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 22, 2021 10:03 AM (o6WqV)

I can't tell if you're serious or not

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 22, 2021 10:06 AM (XvPQV)

217 Earlier, others were trying to let him off the hook by suggesting maybe he hasn't been trained on gun safety. Especially, "don't point at what you don't want to shoot."

Well, that's BS-- this is NOT the first movie he's been in where he's used a real gun as a prop.
Every single movie he's been in where anyone uses a gun, he and the whole crew get at least one or more safety meetings about the proper and safe use of guns.

He's been officially told more than most of us here: Don't point a gun at what you don't want to shoot.

Posted by: Fix News at October 22, 2021 10:06 AM (jIL4c)

218 - James Fields kills nobody gets 420 years.
- Jan 6th rally goers walk into the Capital and get detailed and tortured indefinitely for going on 9 months now.
- Alec Baldwin points a loaded gun at the cinematographer and director and pulls the trigger twice killing one and injuring the other. Zero charges.

Big Think.



Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 22, 2021 10:06 AM (tLzK1)

219 210 Movies where they CGI in gunshots look so ,so bad
Posted by: steevy at October 22, 2021 10:05 AM (CYnTg)

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CGI muzzle flashes look fake because they give off no real ambient lighting, which has to be faked and never looks right.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 22, 2021 10:06 AM (LvTSG)

220 I wonder who this douchebag will try to throw under the prop bus as "being responsible" for this act of negligent homicide?

Posted by: Tex Lovera at October 22, 2021 10:06 AM (Uo6eM)

221 Why have a firing pin in a prop gun, at all? Just add the round discharge sounds later...

A lot of productions use Airsoft guns, they don't fire an actual bang and have the kick so you have to fake it and put the muzzle flash etc in postproduction but unless the lighting is perfect, the muzzle flash doesn't look cool even with a real gun in most cases. Sometimes you can't see anything at all. Its cheaper and safer, but apparently old Alec was going for veracity or something.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 22, 2021 10:06 AM (KZzsI)

222 A few days ago Baldwin urged the 1/6 protesters be sent to an evil prison, like Rikers. Karma?

Posted by: EveR at October 22, 2021 10:06 AM (MUpk6)

223 204 Cynical prediction: the investigative report on this will have no relation to the events that actually transpired.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 22, 2021 10:05 AM (/U27+)

Yup. That said, he will be haunted by this for the rest of his life. Assuming he is not a sociopath lacking a conscience, and that is a big-ass assumption.


Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 22, 2021 10:07 AM (s2VJv)

224 BTW, and one see where Trump's SPAC (DWAC) was halted multiple times on the exchange today?

But tell me there's not a Deep State at work on every level.

Posted by: Blago at October 22, 2021 10:07 AM (60dEi)

225 212 Gun safety training in school from my youth:
"When you see a gun, remember: Stop! Don't Touch! Stand back five feet! Go tell an adult!"

No joke. That was in a classroom video. I was in elementary school, I think.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 22, 2021 10:06 AM (DU+/6)

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I think I saw that exact same video.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 22, 2021 10:07 AM (LvTSG)

226 I just hope they were all vaccinated.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at October 22, 2021 10:07 AM (IytoW)

227 "Another take? How about I just fucking shoot both of you?" before firing on the pair.

If he wasn't a leftwing lunatic he would have already been arrested. Best case scenario this is involuntary manslaughter.


Posted by: 18-1 at October 22, 2021 10:07 AM (ESjRY)

228
Imma having a hard time imagining Alec Baldwin as a rootin tootin cowboy in the wild wild west. Just sayin.
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 22, 2021 10:05 AM (bA3Ln)

_________

Put.. That.. Whiskey.. Down!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 22, 2021 10:07 AM (/U27+)

229 Ass clowns of the world unite! You have nothing to lose but other people's lives!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 22, 2021 10:07 AM (d9FiS)

230 Bedding prime Kim Basinger.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 22, 2021 10:01 AM

And prime it was, WOW. What a babe. Makes me hate Arec Barwin even more!

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 22, 2021 10:07 AM (NWbsw)

231 Baldwin shot two individuals on set, the director and the cinematographer. The cinematographer was pronounced dead at the hospital. The director was treated and released. Clarification for those under the impression two people died.

Posted by: Jen the original at October 22, 2021 10:07 AM (ejh1p)

232 I was actually doing work work this AM and missed a great opportunity for the "Mornin' Ace" bit... sad.

Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs at October 22, 2021 10:07 AM (t3Uk0)

233 "Another take? How about I just fucking shoot both of you?" before firing on the pair.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 22, 2021 10:05 AM (z5Vrg)

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sounds like he was trying to be funny. I don't think even Ben Roethlisberger could explain that humor. It's just not funny.

Even if it was empty, would anyone here be pissed if he'd joked and pointed the gun like that at you?

Posted by: 496 at October 22, 2021 10:08 AM (VJsqe)

234 Old Arec should be on the hook for manslaughter under AZ law.


"Recklessly cause the death of another person."

Breaking the gun gaffing rules is reckless.
Posted by: sven at October 22, 2021 09:42 AM (Lzpvj)

I would suggest that pointing and discharging a prop gun at persons who did not agree to be so targeted is also reckless. Or malicious. I mean, if you are the actor playing the bad guy "shot" by the good guy in the film, you have implicitly agreed to play target for a prop gun loaded with non-lethal ammunition. The possibility of a tragic accident remains, but if the propert master does his job right, it's pretty tiny.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 22, 2021 10:08 AM (P3gRi)

235 JoeMannix, correct, that everyone needs to be extra careful. A friend of mine, experienced actor, was hired as a hand double, to just hold the prop gun and fire at the camera. He said, no way! Check the gun!

So the prop master came and opened up the gun and proved the chamber was empty.

Posted by: APJ at October 22, 2021 10:08 AM (G1dq6)

236 Yup. That said, he will be haunted by this for the rest of his life. Assuming he is not a sociopath lacking a conscience, and that is a big-ass assumption.


Posted by: J.J. Sefton

His career is over, he will always be associated with this.

He's not going to be getting calls to host SNL anytime soon.

Posted by: Blago at October 22, 2021 10:08 AM (60dEi)

237 "I'd make damn sure MYSELF what it was loaded with."

If somebody hands you a weapon, clear it first. Always.

Posted by: You're Gonna Need A Bigger gp at October 22, 2021 10:08 AM (qpX6U)

238 CGI muzzle flashes look fake because they give off no real ambient lighting, which has to be faked and never looks right.

It can be done (the guys at Corridor Crew show how and do it in some of their videos) but it takes extra time and money, so producers don't want to bother.

Even a movie as good as John Wick got it wrong (the muzzle flash follows the gun, it doesn't show any lighting or shadows on the walls or other people, the smoke is too minimal, the flashes aren't realistic, etc).

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 22, 2021 10:08 AM (KZzsI)

239 The multi-tiered justice system will ensure Baldwin does no time.

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If there's a trial, it needs to be moved to D.C. to ensure he gets a fair and impartial jury of his peers.

Posted by: ShainS -- State-Stamped Sluggish Schizophrenic at October 22, 2021 10:08 AM (mZ3xv)

240 The thing about real muzzle flashes, though, is that they often don't look quite right in film either, especially when shooting digitally.

The way digital cameras capture images, you often get only part of the flash, so they need to be digitally enhanced to look right.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 22, 2021 10:08 AM (LvTSG)

241
The best part of this is...

It was all recorded on film/video. All of it. How do I know this? Because it happened on a fcking movie set...with cameras all around.

So when they tell us it isn't on video/film, they are fcking liars.

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 10:08 AM (aGUIs)

242 >>>real bullets are sometimes put into prop guns. For example, if the bullets in the revolver would be visible to the camera.


I can't think of a good reason to load live rounds on a movie set. You should always be using duds or blanks.

Posted by: mikethemoose at October 22, 2021 10:08 AM (T/vhV)

243 Maybe his eternal bosom buddy Andrew "Declare Gun Violence A Public Health Emergency" Cuomo can counsel and hold Baldwin's hand through this troubling period?

Posted by: Claudine Longet at October 22, 2021 10:08 AM (KY22T)

244 I just hope they were all vaccinated.

In the end, it's the only thing that really matters.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 22, 2021 10:08 AM (Xrfse)

245 Baldwin has skated before, for the drinking, the rage, for treating his daughter like shit, and attacking photographers and hurling "homophobic" slurs. The law may get Alec Baldwin, but his colleagues and fellow travelers will be quick to excuse his stupidity and welcome him back.

Posted by: Grudge Harbor at October 22, 2021 10:09 AM (uhPTO)

246 In 1984 actor Jon-Erik Hexum playfully held a prop gun to his head. When the revolver went off it sent the wadding from the blank thru the actor's skull causing irreversible brain damage. He was removed from life support a week later and his organs were donated.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at October 22, 2021 10:09 AM (UHVv4)

247 Keanu Reeves burns through about 5 cases of ammo per movie. Nobody killed.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 22, 2021 10:09 AM (KUNWw)

248 A lot of productions use Airsoft guns, they don't fire an actual bang and have the kick so you have to fake it and put the muzzle flash etc in postproduction but unless the lighting is perfect, the muzzle flash doesn't look cool even with a real gun in most cases. Sometimes you can't see anything at all. Its cheaper and safer, but apparently old Alec was going for veracity or something.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 22, 2021 10:06 AM (KZzsI)
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And it always looks fake as shit. Real bangs with real recoil look real, which is why they use real guns with blanks when the want it to look right. And there's some danger there, especially if you're an idiot waving a gun around and firing it at people outside of the tightly-controlled and planned choreography for which all those rounds were designed.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 22, 2021 10:09 AM (DU+/6)

249 So, I'm guessing they won't be doing a retake...?

Posted by: Diogenes at October 22, 2021 10:10 AM (axyOa)

250 Arec Borwin come on down, unless you are in the domain of a Soros prosecutor you are reasonably gonna get charged.
Posted by: sven at October 22, 2021 09:44 AM (Lzpvj)

New Mexico is a donk state.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 22, 2021 10:10 AM (P3gRi)

251
-- 99% certain the whole event was filmed
-- dozen, maybe dozens, of witnesses

But we'll be told Lies.

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 10:10 AM (aGUIs)

252 Maybe this was a love triangle and Baldwin thought this would be the perfect crime.
Posted by: smarty at October 22, 2021 10:02 AM (LCKbS)

I'll investigate.

Posted by: Detective Chief Inspector Tom Barnaby, Midsommer at October 22, 2021 10:10 AM (4I/2K)

253
Look, I'm sure he's learned his lesson and can continue to be a productive member of society. Let's not be vindictive.

*pockets $25,000 for saying that*

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 22, 2021 10:10 AM (/U27+)

254 Mentioned this on morning thread.

Personally know the armorer on set. She is very good and her family has been involved in that business a long time, and she just got off another big set where she served as armorer with no issues.

She was given two jobs on this gig because the producers were too cheap to hire proper staff (hence the IATSE strike), so cutting corners as usual by the money people. Split attention.

Normally, the 2nd AD will confirm with the props person the gun is clear before starting scene.

Something went very wrong here in the process.

I'm not Alex Baldwin fan AT ALL. However, he's going to suffer the rest of the life inside for what happened. His actions, if he is negligent, will also affect many others as well that survived, which is also a tragedy.

Posted by: Letting u know at October 22, 2021 10:10 AM (/BV56)

255 Why did he pull the trigger a second time after shooting the first person? (Besides the alcohol and cocaine and rage flowing through his veins)

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 22, 2021 10:10 AM (tLzK1)

256 The best part of this is...

It was all recorded on film/video. All of it. How do I know this? Because it happened on a fcking movie set...with cameras all around.

So when they tell us it isn't on video/film, they are fcking liars.
Posted by: S'oothsay'er

And you know the families are going to be pushing for some sort of charges , especially if its Baldwin being reckless and say shooting "blanks" at non-actors because he was drunk and screwing around.

Posted by: Blago at October 22, 2021 10:10 AM (60dEi)

257 They could use "dummy" rounds where the primer and or powder is removed. Using a live round on set seems insane.
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In my HS theater department they used a 12 gauge shotgun with all the pellets removed. Fortunately, when they fired it on stage it only cut a 10 foot circular hole in the curtains. I do agree, I can't see any reason for real loads in a movie, but blanks can be mighty powerful.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 22, 2021 10:10 AM (bA3Ln)

258 We are loosing focus gere, people! We need to concentrate on the important things... like the transgender genocide in our grade schools!

Posted by: Admiral Levine at October 22, 2021 10:10 AM (X5Gpg)

259 One of his assaults could easily have wound up killing someone. The guy is a time bomb protected from consequences by money and celebrity.

Posted by: steevy at October 22, 2021 10:11 AM (CYnTg)

260 207
Who wants to bet left nuts that the corrupt FBI will insert themselves into this?


No noose.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 22, 2021 10:11 AM (dSYei)

261 255 Why did he pull the trigger a second time after shooting the first person? (Besides the alcohol and cocaine and rage flowing through his veins)
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 22, 2021 10:10 AM (tLzK1)

Magic bullet

Posted by: L. H. Oswald at October 22, 2021 10:11 AM (vN+oL)

262 226 I just hope they were all vaccinated.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at October 22, 2021 10:07 AM (IytoW)

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LOL

Posted by: Seems Legit at October 22, 2021 10:11 AM (DcKNO)

263 The left: Trump could shoot someone on 5th ave and none of his supporter would care.

Also the left: If one of us shoots someone for no reason its not our fault. And you need to still love us. And give us your money. Or you are NAZIs.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 22, 2021 10:12 AM (ESjRY)

264 If he was doing a western, then it was a revolver, and this is all I can think of as options:

1) Everyone was a huge retard and just had fully loaded, live guns lying around the set.
2) It was loaded with dummy bullets (fake bullet tips to show in the chambers of the revolver so it doesn't look empty when facing the camera). This is what killed Brandon Lee, as we all know.
3) It was going to be used to shoot up actual objects, and some dipstick loaded real bullets instead of salt, wax, sand, or something similar that will destroy glasses and such. Or they were going to for some reason have an actor shoot real physical objects with a gun and loaded it for that, then left it within arms reach of a notoriously unstable, crazed drunken man.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 22, 2021 10:12 AM (KZzsI)

265 I saw first hand the power of a "blank round" in High School. After one of the students was handling the 22 starter pistol, not unsafely, but still handling it. Our coach then set up several aluminum cans and the proceeded to shoot very good sized holes in them with "Blanks."
Honestly an actual .22 round leaves smaller holes in those cans than the blanks did.

Sorry for the Families of those who died.

Posted by: Picric at October 22, 2021 10:12 AM (RmW8s)

266 254 I'm not Alec Baldwin fan AT ALL. However, he's going to suffer the rest of the life inside for what happened. His actions, if he is negligent, will also affect many others as well that survived, which is also a tragedy.
Posted by: Letting u know at October 22, 2021 10:10 AM (/BV56)

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Every indication shows that Baldwin is an amoral prick who thinks he's free from responsibility of all of his actions.

He will feel nothing but righteous outrage because Republicans made this happen by not repealing the 2nd Amendment.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 22, 2021 10:12 AM (LvTSG)

267 You should all be stripped of your weapons so that Alec Baldwin doesn't kill again...

Posted by: The CDC at October 22, 2021 10:12 AM (XHrkn)

268
Guess Imperial Stormtrooper is out as a future Baldwin role.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 22, 2021 10:12 AM (/U27+)

269 I feel terrible sorry for the lady that died - she has a young kid I think. Baldwin can go rot in hell. one of his own making.

Posted by: IC at October 22, 2021 10:12 AM (hV9ir)

270
I'll investigate.
Posted by: Detective Chief Inspector Tom Barnaby, Midsommer at October 22, 2021 10:10 AM (4I/2K)


Anything to get away from his wife's cooking.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 22, 2021 10:12 AM (axyOa)

271 "Prop guns" don't fire live, lethal rounds.

It was likely a "real" pistol, and somebody (hmmm, who could that be?) put a live round in it instead of prop "Blanks".
The Prop master for a movie is in charge of that, and usually on a movie where firearms are "props" they have a specialist who takes care of that.
And this person is responsible for what goes into the pistol or gun or whatever.
1) did the firearms "prop specialist" screw up
2) Or did Baldwin switch loads after he picked up the so-called "prop" gun; and it was likely a "real" gun that could fire real rounds.

I shot the director and director of photography
And that doesn't rhyme too much
And I am not going to kill myself
Like Epstein did
-Alec Baldwin

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at October 22, 2021 10:13 AM (vcOmj)

272
So an arrogant loud mouth celebrity never learned how to handle a gun because he's against gun ownership. No need to learn about things that are bad, just prohibit them.

When such an individual has opinions about, e.g., the evils of a free market economy vs socialism, presumably they also never learned anything about a free market economy-- same principle, it's bad, no need to learn.

Hey, don't walk away, he has some loud opinions to jam down your throat.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at October 22, 2021 10:13 AM (2iDSr)

273
1.) Celebrity

2.) Party man in good standing

3.) NM wants the business

Still got my money on "no charges," or some ridiculous misdemeanor/community service deal.

Posted by: The Rt. Rev. Yudhishthira's Dice at October 22, 2021 10:13 AM (/KPLX)

274 Countdown to Baldwin comes out gay/trans and announces he will dedicate his life to destroy the NRA.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 22, 2021 10:13 AM (ESjRY)

275 261 255 Why did he pull the trigger a second time after shooting the first person? (Besides the alcohol and cocaine and rage flowing through his veins)
Posted by: Widespread Pepe at October 22, 2021 10:10 AM (tLzK1)

Magic bullet
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There was a grassy knoll.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 22, 2021 10:13 AM (bA3Ln)

276 64 If he was doing a western, then it was a revolver, and this is all I can think of as options:

1) Everyone was a huge retard and just had fully loaded, live guns lying around the set.
2) It was loaded with dummy bullets (fake bullet tips to show in the chambers of the revolver so it doesn't look empty when facing the camera). This is what killed Brandon Lee, as we all know.
3) It was going to be used to shoot up actual objects, and some dipstick loaded real bullets instead of salt, wax, sand, or something similar that will destroy glasses and such. Or they were going to for some reason have an actor shoot real physical objects with a gun and loaded it for that, then left it within arms reach of a notoriously unstable, crazed drunken man.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 22, 2021 10:12 AM (KZzsI)

Or it was all just fake and the actors were acting? And it'll be used to further the narrative somehow?

Posted by: Thesokorus at October 22, 2021 10:13 AM (1ais2)

277 A tragedy for sure
Shame Alex isn't such a A Hole

Posted by: Skip's Phone at October 22, 2021 10:13 AM (ojJO9)

278
If the two victims hadn't yet been vaccinated, his lawyer will argue self-defense.

Posted by: ShainS -- State-Stamped Sluggish Schizophrenic at October 22, 2021 10:13 AM (mZ3xv)

279 Moral of the story. Avoid arrogant prog aholes - they can get you killed.

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at October 22, 2021 10:13 AM (YZG/i)

280 Baldwin is not very good at telling real from fake.

Marries fake Spaniard in real life, shoots real bullets on fake movie set.

Posted by: Match Checksout at October 22, 2021 10:13 AM (dYe5S)

281 No this is not Alec Baldwin on the set of "Rust"

But it's close....

https://tinyurl.com/pfj84spw

Posted by: kbdabear at October 22, 2021 10:13 AM (qAR6u)

282
Wait, am I to believe they don't make fake bullets that look like real live rounds??

This makes no sense. There's no need to add gun powder or even a real primer to make a bullet look "real" for the camera.

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 10:13 AM (aGUIs)

283
Personally know the armorer on set. She is very good and her family has been involved in that business a long time, and she just got off another big set where she served as armorer with no issues.


Posted by: Letting u know

_____

How is that the person in charge of this not at the very least make sure when the gun is handed to the actor, its not actually loaded with real bullets?

That would be the one thing I most prioritized.

That, and not having real bullets on a set.

Posted by: Blago at October 22, 2021 10:14 AM (60dEi)

284 "a movie as good as John Wick"

Good? It's a blood ballet. It's a celebration of gun carnage. All to no point whatsoever, beyond watching heads explode. Movies like this condition stupid viewers to do stupid things with guns.

Posted by: You're Gonna Need A Bigger gp at October 22, 2021 10:14 AM (qpX6U)

285 Why did he pull the trigger a second time after shooting the first person?

It was fun?

Posted by: Alec Baldwin at October 22, 2021 10:14 AM (ESjRY)

286 He was just devoted to his method acting.

Master Thespian.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 22, 2021 10:14 AM (6FeV1)

287 279 Moral of the story. Avoid arrogant prog aholes - they can get you killed.
Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at October 22, 2021 10:13 AM (YZG/i)


"Word."

- - 150 Million (and counting) Victims of Socialism

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 22, 2021 10:14 AM (s2VJv)

288 https://tinyurl.com/pfj84spw

A good movie, but the real history is even more fascinating.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 22, 2021 10:15 AM (ESjRY)

289 A few days ago Baldwin urged the 1/6 protesters be sent to an evil prison, like Rikers. Karma?
Posted by: EveR


Yeah. The 1/6 protesters. Who didn't carry weapons.

That's called Karma biting you on your ass.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 22, 2021 10:15 AM (OCTRt)

290 Actual @POTUS Twitter post today:

"I'm fighting every day to pass my Build Back Better Agenda for folks like Brandon. His story is like so many I've heard across the country. Folks are just looking for a fighting chance and to be treated with the dignity they deserve - and that's what my agenda is all about".

(Photo of Biden with wounded veteran "Brandon").

Posted by: Ian S. at October 22, 2021 10:15 AM (ZGrMX)

291 This cute brunette is glad Alec Baldwin didn't "pretend" to shoot her:
https://bit.ly/3E0P7W2

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 22, 2021 10:15 AM (DU+/6)

292 'Fanning' is inherently inaccurate... so add in live rounds, pointed towards the camera, and someone checking to see if the shot is 'just right'?
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 22, 2021 10:00 AM (oHd/0)


That was my thought: trying to get a shot of Baldwin pointed towards or just to the side of the camera, combined with an overworked cast and crew that got sloppy.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at October 22, 2021 10:15 AM (jOcSX)

293 284 Movies like this condition stupid viewers to do stupid things with guns.
Posted by: You're Gonna Need A Bigger gp at October 22, 2021 10:14 AM (qpX6U)


You have proof? Oh, you don't? Well then, follow the science which shows ZERO correlation at all.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 22, 2021 10:15 AM (s2VJv)

294 150 Million (and counting) Victims of Socialism

Don't lowball those deaths, my friend!

Posted by: Zombie Uncle Joe Stalin at October 22, 2021 10:15 AM (Xrfse)

295 Jack Ryan: [to himself, imitating Ramius] "Ryan, some things in here don't react well to bullets." Yeah, like me. I don't react well to bullets.

Me neither, dickhead.

Posted by: Zombie Halyna Hutchins, Director of Photography at October 22, 2021 10:15 AM (4I/2K)

296 Where are the alleged vids of the Day Train Rape (8min long)?

Posted by: Thesokorus at October 22, 2021 10:16 AM (1ais2)

297 Now that I think about it, you never saw the actor who played the GRU agent who is shot by Jack Ryan in Red October in any other film.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 22, 2021 10:16 AM (/WVnN)

298 279 Moral of the story. Avoid arrogant prog aholes - they can get you killed.
-----------------
This is true of rednecks, too, but they are a lot more fun in death than Arec Bal Wen.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 22, 2021 10:16 AM (bA3Ln)

299 Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 22, 2021 10:15 AM (DU+/6)

Victoria Justice. A worthy Who dis?

Posted by: L. H. Oswald at October 22, 2021 10:16 AM (vN+oL)

300 I hate being right ALL the time. (not really, it's awesome). Anyway, a week ago, I predicted that the media would try to excuse Biden's complete CFing of the economy by saying Americans consume too much, and it's time to dematerialize Xmas. Well, here it is.

https://tinyurl.com/mt9932f4

Posted by: pep at October 22, 2021 10:16 AM (ZsR3z)

301 Why did he pull the trigger a second time after shooting the first person?

Probably was too fast for his brain steeped in alcohol and coke to register: Bang bang.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 22, 2021 10:17 AM (KZzsI)

302 You know that Eric Andre shooting Hannibal Buress meme?

...

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 22, 2021 10:17 AM (6FeV1)

303 Actual @POTUS Twitter post today:

"I'm fighting every day to pass my Build Back Better Agenda for folks like Brandon. His story is like so many I've heard across the country. Folks are just looking for a fighting chance and to be treated with the dignity they deserve - and that's what my agenda is all about".
=====

On purpose, of course.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at October 22, 2021 10:17 AM (IytoW)

304 I wonder if his Spanish wife who happens to be from a Spanish area of Spain and is Spanish is sobbing in a distraught Spanish way over this and saying Spanish things Spanishly in regards.

Right now she's acting out by singing in her heavily accented Spanglish (starts at :45) - after the ad



https://tinyurl.com/d2mf7tr7

Posted by: kallisto at October 22, 2021 10:17 AM (DJFLF)

305
His career is over, he will always be associated with this.

He's not going to be getting calls to host SNL anytime soon.
Posted by: Blago


Is he still going to be announcing classical music on npr?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 22, 2021 10:18 AM (63Dwl)

306 If they would have had commonsense gun laws in the 1800s, he would have never had to make a movie about gun toting outlaws.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 22, 2021 10:18 AM (dSYei)

307 Don't lowball those deaths, my friend!
Posted by: Zombie Uncle Joe Stalin at October 22, 2021 10:15 AM (Xrfse)

Pker.

Posted by: Mao Tse Tung at October 22, 2021 10:18 AM (gryET)

308 Is he still going to be announcing classical music on npr?

Just the killer tunes.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at October 22, 2021 10:19 AM (SchxB)

309 "a movie as good as John Wick"

Good? It's a blood ballet. It's a celebration of gun carnage. All to no point whatsoever, beyond watching heads explode. Movies like this condition stupid viewers to do stupid things with guns.
Posted by: You're Gonna Need A Bigger gp at October 22, 2021 10:14 AM (qpX6U)

not a dog owner, eh?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 22, 2021 10:19 AM (XvPQV)

310 Alec Baldwin aimed a gun at people and pulled the trigger.

It's that simple. Props. Blanks. Jokes. Whatever.

He aimed a gun at another human and pulled the f'ing trigger.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 22, 2021 10:19 AM (KbCG3)

311 I wonder if his Spanish wife who happens to be from a Spanish area of Spain and is Spanish is sobbing in a distraught Spanish way over this and saying Spanish things Spanishly in regards.

She has embraced diversity. She now eats French toast.

Posted by: pep at October 22, 2021 10:19 AM (ZsR3z)

312 Mrs Meanie reminded me that the GRU agent was also in Gladiator, head of the Secret Serv, er, Praetorians

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 22, 2021 10:19 AM (/WVnN)

313 Wait, am I to believe they don't make fake bullets that look like real live rounds??

They do, but they are specialty bullets that are made for movie companies and cost more than real live rounds, believe it or not.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 22, 2021 10:19 AM (KZzsI)

314 Why did he pull the trigger a second time after shooting the first person?

I thought I read elsewhere that the bullet went through her and hit the director. So he may have only pulled the trigger once.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at October 22, 2021 10:19 AM (jOcSX)

315 I have relatives that live in nm. Santa Fe is a liberal shithole. NM is seriously democrat. No way does A baldwin get changed. Not a chance.

Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at October 22, 2021 10:19 AM (0OmEj)

316 When Alyssa Milano hears of this her tweets will be lit! Holding breath to se what that called cops on a person with a bb gun gun has to say about the industry she desperately wishes still had a use for her in 5, 4, 3, 2...

Posted by: Bete at October 22, 2021 10:19 AM (Ojki1)

317 On purpose, of course.

I'm not convinced they aren't just that incompetent. I mean, arranging a photo op for Grandpa Stinkfingers with a guy named Brandon *now*? I don't see how that could be positive for them.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 22, 2021 10:20 AM (ZGrMX)

318 Did Alec "shot the Monkey"? This will be day #2 without a simian.

Posted by: t-bird at October 22, 2021 10:20 AM (DMQdU)

319 I feel... capital!!

Posted by: Curly Alec Baldwin at October 22, 2021 10:20 AM (qAR6u)

320 Why did he pull the trigger a second time after shooting the first person?

**

Because he doesn't know sh*t about guns* and was startled when he killed the first person.

* See also: Pointing loaded weapon at woman and murdering her for fun

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Leave post-it notes on bare shelves saying Enjoying socialism yet? at October 22, 2021 10:20 AM (KTZdS)

321 Don't lowball those deaths, my friend!
Posted by: Zombie Uncle Joe Stalin at October 22, 2021 10:15 AM (Xrfse)

Pker.

Posted by: Mao Tse Tung


Pfffft. Normalized to population, those guys were lightweights.

Posted by: Khan, Genghis Khan at October 22, 2021 10:20 AM (ZsR3z)

322 Unless Baldwin is convicted of something, he'll be back on "edgy" SNL within two years.

Posted by: mr tmz at October 22, 2021 10:20 AM (m/Gc2)

323 Bedding prime Kim Basinger.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 22, 2021 10:01 AM (LvTSG)

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Whoa - he bedded her? Alec's a real lady-killer!

Posted by: 496 at October 22, 2021 10:20 AM (VJsqe)

324 It was only a matter of time. This man has lived way past his expiration date.

Posted by: Miss Issippi at October 22, 2021 10:20 AM (sI15f)

325 He can do what he wants. The DOJ is not going to make a vigorous prosecution, if they prosecute at all.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 22, 2021 07:52 AM (dSYei)

I got $10 says that by the end of next week, some enterprising Autist channer will have found out that "Brandon" in the wheelchair

A) isn't a veteran
B) doesn't need the wheelchair
C) isn't actually named Brandon
D) some combination of the above

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 22, 2021 10:20 AM (6FeV1)

326 (Photo of Biden with wounded veteran "Brandon").
Posted by: Ian S. at October 22, 2021 10:15 AM (ZGrMX


The MAGAs are making fun of a wounded veteran when they say "Let's go brandon!"

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 22, 2021 10:20 AM (dSYei)

327 Good? It's a blood ballet. It's a celebration of gun carnage. All to no point whatsoever, beyond watching heads explode. Movies like this condition stupid viewers to do stupid things with guns.

Found the Puritan.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 22, 2021 10:20 AM (ZGrMX)

328 309 not a dog owner, eh?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 22, 2021 10:19 AM (XvPQV)

===========

John Wick 1: "He killed my dog. I'm going to kill everyone."

John Wick 2: "Here's a mountain of world building that doesn't matter. Please stick around until we get to some shooting later."

John Wick 3: "Here's another mountain of world building that still doesn't matter. Please stick around to see some dogs and shooting later. Also, we have Halle Berry now."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 22, 2021 10:20 AM (LvTSG)

329
(Photo of Biden with wounded veteran "Brandon").
Posted by: Ian S.


This is how they turn "Let's go Brandon" around in their favor?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 22, 2021 10:21 AM (63Dwl)

330 Baldwin is no longer stunningly handsome, and he's been known as trouble on the set and off for years now. I don't see his career getting back on its feet after this, even if he doesn't see any real judicial punishment.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 22, 2021 10:21 AM (KZzsI)

331 Pfffft. Normalized to population, those guys were lightweights.

Posted by: Khan, Genghis Khan at October 22, 2021 10:20 AM (ZsR3z)


Hey there pal, don't be claiming my trophy.

Posted by: Pol Pot at October 22, 2021 10:21 AM (ESjRY)

332 323 Bedding prime Kim Basinger.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 22, 2021 10:01 AM (LvTSG)

-----
Whoa - he bedded her? Alec's a real lady-killer!
Posted by: 496 at October 22, 2021 10:20 AM (VJsqe)

=========

I don't get it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 22, 2021 10:21 AM (LvTSG)

333 On purpose, of course.

***

Interestingly, if they were asked and were honest they'd admit it was for the same reason black people can use forbidden language with each other.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Leave post-it notes on bare shelves saying Enjoying socialism yet? at October 22, 2021 10:21 AM (KTZdS)

334 Wait, am I to believe they don't make fake bullets that look like real live rounds??

They do, but they are specialty bullets that are made for movie companies and cost more than real live rounds, believe it or not.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
___

One would think simply hand loading without the powder and primer gives you whatever "effect" you would need for a closeup of the bullet.

I can't see any reason why a live round would be on a set.

Posted by: Blago at October 22, 2021 10:21 AM (60dEi)

335 They should contract the NRA to teach gun safety in schools.

Posted by: Jay at October 22, 2021 10:22 AM (wwKHQ)

336 Was a blood test done on Baldwin?
At the plant I worked at, any hospital type injury required a blood test to determine if alcohol and/or drugs were involved.
Posted by: Bruce

Blood test? For Baldwin?

Did he have Covid19? Well, then this guy that died was a Covid 19 death.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at October 22, 2021 10:22 AM (vcOmj)

337 The MAGAs are making fun of a wounded veteran when they say "Let's go brandon!"
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 22, 2021 10:20 AM (dSYei)

Exactly. This has the stink of Ron Klain all over it.

Posted by: Heavy Meta at October 22, 2021 10:22 AM (gryET)

338 Unless Baldwin is convicted of something, he'll be back on "edgy" SNL within two years.
Posted by: mr tmz at October 22, 2021 10:20 AM (m/Gc2)


And making some joke about having to 'bite the bullet' before he came on.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 22, 2021 10:22 AM (2JVJo)

339 I kinda feel sorry for the poor tree in the art thread. I hope it got enough love this morning.

Posted by: banana Dream at October 22, 2021 10:22 AM (+gFOr)

340 I got $10 says that by the end of next week, some enterprising Autist channer will have found out that "Brandon" in the wheelchair

Given how incompetent and stupid the Biden team is, I would not at all be surprised. They were impressed with his security guard uniform and hired him to sit in a chair

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 22, 2021 10:22 AM (KZzsI)

341 This is how they turn "Let's go Brandon" around in their favor?

I'm not sure giving people a plausible excuse to say Let's Go Brandon makes it better for them.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 22, 2021 10:22 AM (ZGrMX)

342 Baldwin will get at most "community service" which will entail PSA's about gun control

Hopefully a wrongful death lawsuit will result in a large dent in his wealth

But realistically, the best we can hope for is what Ace wrote, that Baldwin becomes "uninsurable"

Posted by: kbdabear at October 22, 2021 10:22 AM (qAR6u)

343 Why did he pull the trigger a second time after shooting the first person?

Because I couldn't miss.

Posted by: Alec Baldwin at October 22, 2021 10:22 AM (PPQdm)

344 They do, but they are specialty bullets that are made for movie companies and cost more than real live rounds, believe it or not.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
++++
They are quite expensive. And there are generic blanks like that, too, but big time production often don't use them. A lot of major productions have the armorer make custom rounds - custom dummies, custom blanks, etc. - that are tuned to the specific conditions and shots needed.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 22, 2021 10:23 AM (DU+/6)

345 John Wick 1: "He killed my dog. I'm going to kill everyone."

John Wick 2: "Here's a mountain of world building that doesn't matter. Please stick around until we get to some shooting later."

John Wick 3: "Here's another mountain of world building that still doesn't matter. Please stick around to see some dogs and shooting later. Also, we have Halle Berry now."

***

SPOILERS

If you haven't watched John Wick, stop with the first one. Go no farther. It is maybe the perfect setup and execution in its simplicity.

I regret ever watching the other two.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Leave post-it notes on bare shelves saying Enjoying socialism yet? at October 22, 2021 10:23 AM (KTZdS)

346 " I wonder if his Spanish wife who happens to be from a Spanish area of Spain and is Spanish is sobbing in a distraught Spanish way over this and saying Spanish things Spanishly in regards."


I'd say she is probably talking to a divorce lawyer so she can latch onto another celeb ASAP.

Posted by: Mom at October 22, 2021 10:23 AM (MxEKc)

347
btw, fake news cnn is euphemistically calling biden's economic disaster the "current squeeze."

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 10:23 AM (aGUIs)

348 " Movies like this condition stupid viewers to do stupid things with guns."

I like mindless action movies. They're fun.

Posted by: squid_hunt at October 22, 2021 10:23 AM (7MBHe)

349 Mrs Meanie reminded me that the GRU agent was also in Gladiator, head of the Secret Serv, er, Praetorians
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 22, 2021 10:19 AM


He's been in quite a bit. Gladiator, The Bodyguard, Pearl Harbor, a lot of TV stuff.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 22, 2021 10:23 AM (m+jkK)

350 They do, but they are specialty bullets that are made for movie companies and cost more than real live rounds, believe it or not.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor


Any gun wrangler on a set could do it for pennies.
1. Take empty brass case.
2. Deprime.
3. Take empty, deprimed case, seat bullet.

From front, bullet looks real. From pew pew standpoint, cartridge case is empty with no primer. Cannot fire.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 22, 2021 10:23 AM (OCTRt)

351 Why have a firing pin in a prop gun, at all?
----------------------------
I blame zinc.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at October 22, 2021 10:23 AM (UHVv4)

352 Found the Puritan.

Good thing you never hear me go off on the Hostel or Saw franchises.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 22, 2021 10:24 AM (2JVJo)

353 337 The MAGAs are making fun of a wounded veteran when they say "Let's go brandon!"
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 22, 2021 10:20 AM (dSYei)

Exactly. This has the stink of Ron Klain all over it.
Posted by: Heavy Meta at October 22, 2021 10:22 AM (gryET)

This won't work. You're either in or you're out.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 22, 2021 10:24 AM (KbCG3)

354 I. Would bet Alex doesn't even get charged, no DA will do it.
Fear of the Left and Alex is one

Posted by: Skip's Phone at October 22, 2021 10:24 AM (ojJO9)

355 Speaking of death and guns and shit . . .

Kassy Dillon
@KassyDillon
The Marine who stopped the corner store robbery in the viral video was just on Fox News.

He ended his interview saying "Epstein didn't kill himself" haha.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 22, 2021 10:24 AM (d9FiS)

356 Baldwin needs to retire, go to a corner, curl up and die.

Posted by: Cringe Biscuit at October 22, 2021 10:24 AM (Eus9b)

357 real bullets are sometimes put into prop guns. For example, if the bullets in the revolver would be visible to the camera.

This is why stupid drunks should not just pick up a gun from a table and start shooting people as a "joke."
Posted by: ace at October 22, 2021 09:54 AM (0G13K)

Has anyone stated what kind of gun was used by Baldwin? Movie was a Western, so that would imply "antique" firearms. The "old West" era spanned the transition from cap and ball weapons to metallic cartridges, and even to modern smokeless powder cartridges. I expect there would be different ways to handle props in each case. You can't buy a blank round for a cap and ball pistol; you have to assemble it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 22, 2021 10:24 AM (P3gRi)

358 I don't remember Biden running on a campaign of dematerialzing Christmas and makins sure Americans didn't have a lot of money to spend on stuff.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at October 22, 2021 10:24 AM (5HBd1)

359 That second shot is going to be the real problem for him.

Unleash the lawyers. That won't bring back the dead but with a sociopath(IMHO) like Baldwin, it'll be the only way he'll regret his actions.

I doubt his career is affected at all by this. At the very least, the SNL related crew will circle around him.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 22, 2021 10:25 AM (5NkmN)

360 If you haven't watched John Wick, stop with the first one. Go no farther. It is maybe the perfect setup and execution in its simplicity.

The third one at least has workable pacing. But "Nobody" is a better Wick sequel than either of the official Wick sequels.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 22, 2021 10:25 AM (ZGrMX)

361 Movies like this condition stupid viewers to do stupid things with guns.

I know after watching Backdraft I wanted to go burn down buildings. That's how it works, you are mind controlled by entertainment and go do things you saw. After I saw Gandhi I went and organized a big strike against Union Carbide.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 22, 2021 10:25 AM (KZzsI)

362 > I regret ever watching the other two.

I watched the 2nd and 3rd for the scenes with gunplay/knifeplay... not for the plot. But I get your point.

Also I was drinking.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 22, 2021 10:25 AM (BFigT)

363 347
btw, fake news cnn is euphemistically calling biden's economic disaster the "current squeeze."
Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 10:23 AM (aGUIs)

Secular stagnation!

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 22, 2021 10:25 AM (z5Vrg)

364 353 337 The MAGAs are making fun of a wounded veteran when they say "Let's go brandon!"
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 22, 2021 10:20 AM (dSYei)


Fine. We'll just go back to the original chant, which is much better IMHO

Posted by: kallisto at October 22, 2021 10:25 AM (DJFLF)

365 The MAGAs are making fun of a wounded veteran when they say "Let's go brandon!"
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 22, 2021 10:20 AM (dSYei)
++++
If they think that'll work, they're stupider than I thought. The number of people who will see this photo op are small and it's way too long after "Fuck Joe Biden" and "Let's Go Brandon" turned into a cultural wave.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 22, 2021 10:25 AM (DU+/6)

366 No Gorilla Pundit today?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 22, 2021 10:25 AM (2JVJo)

367 Was a blood test done on Baldwin?
At the plant I worked at, any hospital type injury required a blood test to determine if alcohol and/or drugs were involved.
Posted by: Bruce

Blood test? For Baldwin?


On Baldwin. For booze.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 22, 2021 10:25 AM (OCTRt)

368 Personally know the armorer on set. She is very good and her family has been involved in that business a long time, and she just got off another big set where she served as armorer with no issues.


Posted by: Letting u know

No offense to her, but she had one job. I can't imagine guns were used in every scene, even if so, it can't be that hard to check a weapon. Shit I do it weekly at the range. I don't nor should she need someone else to check and or clear weapon. If it was live rounds? Then what the fuck were they doing there? You can make a round look normal by removing the primer and or propellent or both. Sorry. But if she didn't do any of this, that's her fault and Baldwin's.

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 22, 2021 10:26 AM (NWbsw)

369 361 Movies like this condition stupid viewers to do stupid things with guns.

I know after watching Backdraft I wanted to go burn down buildings. That's how it works, you are mind controlled by entertainment and go do things you saw. After I saw Gandhi I went and organized a big strike against Union Carbide.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 22, 2021 10:25 AM (KZzsI)

===========

After watching Strictly Ballroom, I had a stroke and spoke with an Australian accent.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 22, 2021 10:26 AM (LvTSG)

370 I don't remember Biden running on a campaign of dematerialzing Christmas and makins sure Americans didn't have a lot of money to spend on stuff.
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at October 22, 2021 10:24 AM (5HBd1)


He didn't. It's not his fault Trump left him such a shitty economy.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 22, 2021 10:26 AM (2JVJo)

371 Regarding the law, assuming that Baldwin did not intentionally put a live cartridge in the firearm, this would be a classic charge of manslaughter because of no intent but evident negligence in handling of a firearm. Unlike a hunting accident, to cause death, Baldwin had to a) aim, b) pull the trigger, and his comments show intent to commit a reckless act with a deadly weapon.

He WILL or his liability insurance will have to pay substantially for wrongful death. Because even if someone else placed a live cartridge, as people have noted, it was his negligent actions that killed one and wounded the other person. In essence, he was the last person who could have avoided the whole incident by obeying prudent firearm safety rules to prevent death and injury with these.

A quibble, a dummy round lacks both powder and primer but has a bullet attached. It is not capable of being fired in any way and often is used to test firearm or for show. A commercial snap cap is made as one unit to allow dry fire but is incapable of holding powder, primer, or a bullet. Often they are made of one unit and solid.

Posted by: whig at October 22, 2021 10:26 AM (9hXN1)

372 Memba when Clyde whatshizname of the new York Knicks team and broadcast crew shot his limo driver while goofing with a shotgun at his estate? 3 or 4 years Hard time I believe. Let's see if Baldwin gets the same treatment. Working from memory here.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at October 22, 2021 10:26 AM (9dzlp)

373 The question remains: Who the fuck left a loaded gun on a movie set??

Posted by: red speck at October 22, 2021 10:26 AM (gS3OW)

374 "Found the Puritan."

If you've read anything I've written, you know I'm not a puritan. And I don't want to ban movies like John Wick. My point is that the movie has no purpose other than to thrill with gouts of brain and blood. I object to calling the movie "good" in any sense other than its technical brilliance. There are plenty of very good movies that have extremely grisly content, but they also have an actual point to make. You come away edified, instead of covered with gore.

Posted by: You're Gonna Need A Bigger gp at October 22, 2021 10:26 AM (qpX6U)

375 From front, bullet looks real. From pew pew standpoint, cartridge case is empty with no primer. Cannot fire.

Sometimes armorers for big production companies do that kind of thing but I don't know as Baldwin was likely to be involved with that kind of thing. Lot of speculation but this doesn't strike me as a real top-notch operation somehow.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 22, 2021 10:26 AM (KZzsI)

376 The MAGAs are making fun of a wounded veteran when they say "Let's go brandon!"

That's terrible as an op, because it makes more sense as "The MAGAs are supporting a wounded veteran".

Posted by: Ian S. at October 22, 2021 10:26 AM (ZGrMX)

377 369 361 Movies like this condition stupid viewers to do stupid things with guns.

I know after watching Backdraft I wanted to go burn down buildings. That's how it works, you are mind controlled by entertainment and go do things you saw. After I saw Gandhi I went and organized a big strike against Union Carbide.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 22, 2021 10:25 AM (KZzsI)

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After watching Strictly Ballroom, I had a stroke and spoke with an Australian accent.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 22, 2021 10:26 AM (LvTSG)

After playing Saints Row I took over gangs in various urban centers.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 22, 2021 10:27 AM (z5Vrg)

378 Wow, the mystery 80's prog song is fucking good, like an imitator of The Police. Like they distilled the Sting from Police. And I don't remember this song at all.

Posted by: Tim Riggins at October 22, 2021 10:27 AM (ZZK0E)

379 pew, pew

Posted by: JROD at October 22, 2021 10:27 AM (0jZnq)

380 real bullets are sometimes put into prop guns. For example, if the bullets in the revolver would be visible to the camera.


See #350 on how to make real bullets from the front, inert.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 22, 2021 10:27 AM (OCTRt)

381 Why have a firing pin in a prop gun, at all?

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To fire a blank, but even a gun with blanks is not supposed to be fired in the direction of a person.

Even just the powder/debris coming out can badly injure someone.

Posted by: Blago at October 22, 2021 10:27 AM (60dEi)

382 Honestly an actual .22 round leaves smaller holes in those cans than the blanks did.

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I asked Weasel about shotgun rounds that could be used for close up in house self defense and he mentioned 'wadcutters'? Sorry i don't remember exactly. At the time there was none available online. there was some studies about their effectiveness in this regard. They were juiced up blanks I believe. So yeah, blanks can kill.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 22, 2021 10:27 AM (RoIW/)

383 The real question is, were they wearing masks?

Posted by: Otr at October 22, 2021 10:27 AM (Tnijr)

384 Has anyone seen report of a second shot? I haven't seen two shots reported, I don't think. Two injuries (one fatal), but not two shots.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 22, 2021 10:27 AM (DU+/6)

385 The Trump Curse Strikes again.

Posted by: Aunt Ralph at October 22, 2021 10:27 AM (WdI30)

386 I doubt his career is affected at all by this. At the very least, the SNL related crew will circle around him.
Posted by: naturalfake at October 22, 2021 10:25 AM

Well I don't know if the crew would want to circle around him. Doesn't seem to end well.

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 22, 2021 10:27 AM (NWbsw)

387 362 > I regret ever watching the other two.
I watched the 2nd and 3rd for the scenes with gunplay/knifeplay... not for the plot. But I get your point.
Also I was drinking.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 22, 2021 10:25 AM (BFigT)

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What made the first work was the simple nature of the relationship between story and action. It was an easy move from the simple opening to the endless action.

The sequels operate under the impression that people loved the first one because of the hotel and implications of this underworld of assassins.

Even fans of the sequels never talk about how awesome that stuff is. They just focus on the action.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 22, 2021 10:27 AM (LvTSG)

388 "The MAGAs are making fun of a wounded veteran when they say Let's go brandon!"

I'm good with it. Let's go brandon!

Posted by: squid_hunt at October 22, 2021 10:28 AM (7MBHe)

389
Alec the Uninsurable will be charged with *something*.

The relatives of the dead woman will demand it.

And I don't think that fat, foul-mouthed dumbass has built up enough goodwill in Hollyweird to automatically be embraced back into their ranks.

He's toast.

Posted by: kallisto at October 22, 2021 10:28 AM (DJFLF)

390 BTW, JJ, glad you had a good trip and good to see you back. prayers for your timely exit from New Yawk.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 22, 2021 10:28 AM (RoIW/)

391 "I know after watching Backdraft I wanted to go burn down buildings."

I specified "stupid viewers." I know you are not stupid, even though you wrote that.

Posted by: You're Gonna Need A Bigger gp at October 22, 2021 10:28 AM (qpX6U)

392 There was a time I really dug Baldwin, when he was little known, in a little known film called Miami Blues. I hate politics and I fucking despise leftist scum.

Posted by: ... at October 22, 2021 10:28 AM (+BR1Z)

393 Speaking of the song from the sidebar and the band who made this song...it reminds me of another thing, there's a parallel Metallica band out there that somehow made their own "And Justice For All" style album. But you know, only Metallica got rich and famous, the other is forgotten, and I can't find the name of the bad just yet.

Posted by: Tim Riggins at October 22, 2021 10:28 AM (ZZK0E)

394 Movies are entertainment after all. Is it entertaining to see people killed? Is it part of telling a story, or just gore?

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at October 22, 2021 10:28 AM (5HBd1)

395 Well I don't know if the crew would want to circle around him. Doesn't seem to end well.

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Baldwin Roulette

Posted by: SH (Non-Expert Elite) at October 22, 2021 10:29 AM (sX1BW)

396 384 Has anyone seen report of a second shot? I haven't seen two shots reported, I don't think. Two injuries (one fatal), but not two shots.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 22, 2021 10:27 AM (DU+/6)

Some people have relayed that the reporting seems to be one shot.

Other(myself included) assumed two because of two injuries + threatening to shoot two people.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 22, 2021 10:29 AM (z5Vrg)

397 The third one at least has workable pacing.

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The moment they found a female John Wick who was not only exactly as skilled but every bit as lucky (which was what had to play a major role in the first film, and what couldn't be maintained throughout the entire three movie time frame) AND could do it while engaged with and protecting two other independent animals?

Absurd grrrrl power nonsense.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Leave post-it notes on bare shelves saying Enjoying socialism yet? at October 22, 2021 10:29 AM (KTZdS)

398 The MAGAs are making fun of a wounded veteran when they say "Let's go brandon!"
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy


How? A wounded veteran drives race cars? Because that's where the brain dead reporter said the chant was from.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 22, 2021 10:29 AM (OCTRt)

399 Was Baldwin the propmaster to?

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at October 22, 2021 10:29 AM (9dzlp)

400
Has anyone seen report of a second shot? I haven't seen two shots reported, I don't think. Two injuries (one fatal), but not two shots.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 22, 2021 10:27 AM (DU+/6)

___________

The Single Bullet theory?

(Actually, the JFK single bullet scenario has been successfully duplicated)

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 22, 2021 10:29 AM (/U27+)

401 After watching "Godzilla", I stepped on a lot of Japanese people and burned down Tokyo.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 22, 2021 10:29 AM (5NkmN)

402 this dumbshit was a contemporary of Jon Erick Hexum and Brandon Lee. he knew better. he should never work again.

Posted by: x at October 22, 2021 10:30 AM (oA+QO)

403 It doesn't make sense. If they're doing a scene "over" then the blanks or whatnot should have already been fired from the gun. Right?

Posted by: Tim Riggins at October 22, 2021 10:30 AM (ZZK0E)

404 Baldwin is a liberal in good standing. He'll skate and continue to work.

See: Landis, John.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 22, 2021 10:30 AM (v9pBv)

405 NOBODY EXPECTS THE SECRET PRAETORIANS!

Posted by: Praetorian Fang at October 22, 2021 10:30 AM (X5Gpg)

406 Hahahahaha...lolololo.

Posted by: Karma at October 22, 2021 10:30 AM (9dzlp)

407 Wow, the mystery 80's prog song is fucking good, like an imitator of The Police. Like they distilled the Sting from Police. And I don't remember this song at all.

The Payolas were Canadian, and biggest there. US record labels and radio were uncomfortable with their name (because payola was a real thing) and kind of suppressed them.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 22, 2021 10:30 AM (ZGrMX)

408 392 There was a time I really dug Baldwin, when he was little known, in a little known film called Miami Blues. I hate politics and I fucking despise leftist scum.
Posted by: ... at October 22, 2021 10:28 AM (+BR1Z)

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I liked him in She's Having a Baby - I thought he was fantastic.

Of course, he played a boozing shitbag so he was made for the role.

Posted by: 496 at October 22, 2021 10:30 AM (VJsqe)

409 somehow this is all Trump's fault.

Posted by: IC at October 22, 2021 10:30 AM (hV9ir)

410 ... The sequels operate under the impression that people loved the first one because of the hotel and implications of this underworld of assassins. ...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 22, 2021 10:27 AM (LvTSG)
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I think those implications made the movie much better. The hints at a world like that, and the backstory between it and the protagonist, were very cool.

And it should have stayed as that. Those hints and implications added an air of mystery and interesting speculation to the very simple story line. It worked well and didn't need to be fleshed out. Fleshing it out would have been distracting and worse. Two more movies of world-building were unnecessary. Two more movies were unnecessary. It was good and it stood alone.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 22, 2021 10:30 AM (DU+/6)

411 to continue, blanks WILL fire as they have a case, primer, and powder but instead of a bullet, they will have a wad to hold the powder in. A special very fast burning powder is used that CANNOT be reused to fire bullets as it generates too much pressure and the cartridge and perhaps the firearm will rupture if a bullet is placed into the blank. Very dangerous. As noted above, the wad and the hot gases from the blank can kill at close range as the wad exits at a high speed and the hot gases can give a nasty contact wound by literally using the blowtorch of hot gases to blow away and char flesh and other internal organs from the point of contact.

A cartridge aka round is a live lethal round with powder, primer, and bullet contained within a brass case.

Posted by: whig at October 22, 2021 10:30 AM (9hXN1)

412 I kinda feel sorry for the poor tree in the art thread. I hope it got enough love this morning.
Posted by: banana Dream at October 22, 2021 10:22 AM (+gFOr)

*squirt*

Posted by: Harvey Winestein at October 22, 2021 10:30 AM (sDu/0)

413 Brandon is a distraught wounded veteran and last was seen hanging from a bridge thinking of ending his life.

And MAGA supporters are shouting Let Go Brandon. Disgraceful!

Posted by: Mom at October 22, 2021 10:30 AM (MxEKc)

414 The armorer can't be held at fault for preparing a prop to be used on set in a controlled manner when the actor goes rogue and fires at the crew.

What if the scene called for a sharp knife to cut something with on scene, and the actor "jokingly" swings the knife at a crew member, accidentally killing them? Is the props department to blame for that?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 22, 2021 10:30 AM (6FeV1)

415 "Movies are entertainment after all. Is it entertaining to see people killed?"

Euripedes would like a word.

Posted by: squid_hunt at October 22, 2021 10:31 AM (7MBHe)

416 All the old tv westerns didn't need realistic gunshots. They just added the sound after. No blood, no nothing, and we still got the gist. Tales of Wells Fargo is one of my favorite series.

Posted by: Adrienne at October 22, 2021 10:31 AM (gegMK)

417 We'll find out soon enough if everyone on the set was as enamored with Baldwin as he thinks he was. If someone who was present has a smidgen of conscience they'll leak info, pics, or video. Especially if they think he's gonna' skate.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 22, 2021 10:31 AM (BFigT)

418 And it should have stayed as that. Those hints and implications added an air of mystery and interesting speculation to the very simple story line. It worked well and didn't need to be fleshed out. Fleshing it out would have been distracting and worse. Two more movies of world-building were unnecessary. Two more movies were unnecessary. It was good and it stood alone.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 22, 2021 10:30 AM (DU+/6)

It's going to be hard to run a tabletop John Wick game without more world building, just saying.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 22, 2021 10:31 AM (z5Vrg)

419 LET'S GO BALDWIN

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Leave post-it notes on bare shelves saying Enjoying socialism yet? at October 22, 2021 10:31 AM (KTZdS)

420
After watching "Godzilla", I stepped on a lot of Japanese people and burned down Tokyo.
Posted by: naturalfake at October 22, 2021 10:29 AM (5NkmN)

__________

Not to mention what you did to Bambi.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 22, 2021 10:31 AM (/U27+)

421 After watching Strictly Ballroom, I had a stroke and spoke with an Australian accent.

After watching Deliverance, I had a desire to cornhole Ned Beatty. Oh wait, that never happened.

Posted by: pep at October 22, 2021 10:31 AM (ZsR3z)

422 410 I think those implications made the movie much better. The hints at a world like that, and the backstory between it and the protagonist, were very cool.

And it should have stayed as that. Those hints and implications added an air of mystery and interesting speculation to the very simple story line. It worked well and didn't need to be fleshed out. Fleshing it out would have been distracting and worse. Two more movies of world-building were unnecessary. Two more movies were unnecessary. It was good and it stood alone.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 22, 2021 10:30 AM (DU+/6)

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Not everything needs explanation. An air of mystery is often a good thing. Diving headfirst into worldbuilding in the second one just makes the sequels unbearable to me.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 22, 2021 10:32 AM (LvTSG)

423 If you haven't watched John Wick, stop with the first one. Go no farther. It is maybe the perfect setup and execution in its simplicity.

The third one at least has workable pacing. But "Nobody" is a better Wick sequel than either of the official Wick sequels.

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interesting topic. JW1 is good. Nobody is good. I think the sequels were just excuses to have nicely done set pieces. The plot hurt my brain because of all the rule breaking JW does. And the stupid things he has to do to fix it. I think that's the main problem, eh?

But that dog+dog+HalleBerry running gun battle in JW3...pretty awesome.

Posted by: Tim Riggins at October 22, 2021 10:32 AM (ZZK0E)

424 He didn't. It's not his fault Trump left him such a shitty economy.

They're already saying that as well.

Posted by: pep at October 22, 2021 10:32 AM (ZsR3z)

425 The way to play this is for the NRA to push for only licensed NRA instructors as firearms handlers in all movies and television productions. Let's make Manhattan Media pay the NRA to make movies.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 22, 2021 10:32 AM (bA3Ln)

426 baldwin is a dipshit. rule #1 is don't point guns at people for funsies.

as to the commenter above who claims the blanks from a .22 put holes in a can- i call bs. blanks don't do that. so your coach or whoever probably had an air pistol or something.

been firing blanks for years in the military. use em during the prep ranges before going hot on a live fire exercise. it is absolutely critical you always check and double check your rounds, do a brass shakedown to ensure no lives, and then check again.
shooting blanks at someone doesn't kill them. however, you shoot a blank at someones face at a meter yeah, they will get powder residue and probably burns, maybe stuff in the eyes. possible blind someone. but it ain't gonna kill you. so none of this story adds up. but i am very sure baldwin will walk, make many sorrowful speeches, give plenty to anti nra funds, and become the white knight and victim to all those who are against icky guns- even prop ones. and hollywood will still propagate gun culture and violence in movies.

Posted by: Jack Burton, who says never point guns at something you don't want to kill at October 22, 2021 10:32 AM (6bIQL)

427 Other(myself included) assumed two because of two injuries + threatening to shoot two people.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 22, 2021 10:29 AM (z5Vrg)
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Two injuries. There has been no reporting that the director was injured by the shot. Movie sets are dangerous places. It could be as simple as Baldin fired at them, the blank or whatever hit the DP, the DP fell, the director dodged and hit a piece of equipment that toppled onto him, or he concussed himself on the floor, or broke a bone getting tangled up in some rigging, etc.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 22, 2021 10:32 AM (DU+/6)

428 After watching "Godzilla", I stepped on a lot of Japanese people and burned down Tokyo.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 22, 2021 10:29 AM (5NkmN)

that was you? Cool!

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 22, 2021 10:32 AM (RoIW/)

429 BTW, I doubt Baldwin will be commenting on firearms under advice of counsel until all legal issues are resolved. The problem with him bleating about firearms and gun safety is that in court those words can be used against him to either up damages or indicate that he knew what he did was reckless in criminal charges.

Posted by: whig at October 22, 2021 10:32 AM (9hXN1)

430 159
But it's his set now, his command. He's in charge, the boss, the head man, top dog, big cheese, a head honcho, number one...
Posted by: Rex Kramer at October 22, 2021 10:00 AM

When I said "The buck stops here", I meant it like Joe Biden does...I feign responsibility when expedient, but don't actually expect ramifications due to my failures. The prop guy will soon inherit thr title "fall guy".

Posted by: Alec Baldwin, Killer at October 22, 2021 10:32 AM (NCgXW)

431 After watching "Godzilla", I stepped on a lot of Japanese people and burned down Tokyo.

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you're thinking of "Colossal" ... nice little indy film...watch it.

Posted by: Tim Riggins at October 22, 2021 10:32 AM (ZZK0E)

432 After playing Saints Row I took over gangs in various urban centers.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 22, 2021 10:27 AM (z5Vrg)

But you've become reckless with the dildo bat.

Posted by: Grudge Harbor at October 22, 2021 10:33 AM (uhPTO)

433 424 He didn't. It's not his fault Trump left him such a shitty economy.

They're already saying that as well.
Posted by: pep at October 22, 2021 10:32 AM (ZsR3z)

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I thought Biden was going to shut down the virus, not the country.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 22, 2021 10:33 AM (LvTSG)

434 He didn't. It's not his fault Trump left him such a shitty economy.

They're already saying that as well.

No one is buying it. Not even the trolls on Disqus are repeating it.

Posted by: squid_hunt at October 22, 2021 10:33 AM (7MBHe)

435 Spin machine is working OT with its "prop gub", "misfire", etc.

Azzhole with a gun-gun deliberately aims and pulls trigger at someone and we are supposed to believe it was an entirely unforeseeable accident.

At best grossly negligent homicide amounting to premeditated... but we can surely assume he never once had even the most basic gun safety class so there is no way he could have known not to even point at someone and pull trigger.

Time to see if this two tier justice system is fully functional.

Posted by: Phuk Ho Le at October 22, 2021 10:33 AM (9BuFr)

436 I specified "stupid viewers." I know you are not stupid, even though you wrote that.

I dunno, I'm pretty dumb.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 22, 2021 10:33 AM (KZzsI)

437 >>somehow this is all Trump's fault.


IPredictably, it will be the gun's fault, and all of Hollywood and the usual anti-gun people will insist that the rest of us must be disarmed because of stupid Alec's killer joke on set.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 22, 2021 10:33 AM (bDqIh)

438 I don't see why a movie operation would need to have an actual functioning gun (capable of firing live rounds) on the set.

I also don't see why OSHA doesn't insist that everyone in reach of that weapon be trained in safe handling. This especially goes for Baldwin himself, who refused to play Jack Ryan again after "Red October" because he didn't approve of guns.

Posted by: jdgalt1 at October 22, 2021 10:33 AM (3SFo/)

439 LET'S GO BALDWIN

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Leave post-it notes on bare shelves saying Enjoying socialism yet? at October 22, 2021 10:31 AM (KTZdS)

*golf clap*

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 22, 2021 10:33 AM (RoIW/)

440 Isn't the cinematographer supposed to shoot the actor?

Posted by: Mister Christopher (in Atlanta yo) at October 22, 2021 10:33 AM (tnzZy)

441 404 Baldwin is a liberal in good standing. He'll skate and continue to work.

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see cf Jon Gruden.

Posted by: Tim Riggins at October 22, 2021 10:34 AM (ZZK0E)

442 Well I know that Alec would be calling for the execution of any gun owners responsible for accidentally shooting someone as a "joke" and the confiscation of all guns.

So I guess, death by firing squad it is.

RIP to his coworker and prayers up for the injured.

Posted by: Just Lily at October 22, 2021 10:34 AM (vivhj)

443 The moment they found a female John Wick who was not only exactly as skilled but every bit as lucky (which was what had to play a major role in the first film, and what couldn't be maintained throughout the entire three movie time frame) AND could do it while engaged with and protecting two other independent animals?

Absurd grrrrl power nonsense.


I'll allow that, but I do think "woman is good with guns" is a lot more defensible than the usual "70 pound waif kung-fus everyone to death". And Halle Berry is still pretty easy on the eyes.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 22, 2021 10:34 AM (ZGrMX)

444 "I also don't see why OSHA doesn't insist that everyone in reach of that weapon be trained in safe handling."

I stated that last thread. The inconsistency is glaring when you have to deal with OSHA regs every day.

Posted by: squid_hunt at October 22, 2021 10:34 AM (7MBHe)

445 Is film rolling even in test or mapping out a scene?

Posted by: Skip's Phone at October 22, 2021 10:34 AM (ojJO9)

446 John Wick 1: "He killed my dog. I'm going to kill everyone."

John Wick 2: "Here's a mountain of world building that doesn't matter. Please stick around until we get to some shooting later."

John Wick 3: "Here's another mountain of world building that still doesn't matter. Please stick around to see some dogs and shooting later. Also, we have Halle Berry now."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in the 30s with John Ford at October 22, 2021 10:20 AM (LvTSG)

The first John Wick is a great action movie with some good drama and emotion. It is a good movie.

The second and third movies are fantasy assassin movies with good gunplay and knifeplay scenes. I don't mind the world building, it's amusing but I don't make the mistake of think it's realistic.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 22, 2021 10:34 AM (XvPQV)

447 "I dunno, I'm pretty dumb."

You are not.

Posted by: You're Gonna Need A Bigger gp at October 22, 2021 10:35 AM (qpX6U)

448 >>> No Gorilla Pundit today?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 22, 2021 10:25 AM (2JVJo)


Or yesterday. Our gorillas must be stuck off port in a shipping container. Hope they have a lot of bananas.

Posted by: banana Dream at October 22, 2021 10:35 AM (+gFOr)

449 I know after I watched It's A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World I wanted to hijack a plane and get drunk on Old Fashioneds.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 22, 2021 10:35 AM (2JVJo)

450 The Single Bullet theory?

(Actually, the JFK single bullet scenario has been successfully duplicated)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh


Iirc, none of the sharpshooter experts at the time could duplicate Oswald's shooting. Down & away in the time required with supposedly Oswald's shit accuracy and fucked rifle.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 22, 2021 10:35 AM (OCTRt)

451 The armorer can't be held at fault for preparing a prop to be used on set in a controlled manner when the actor goes rogue and fires at the crew.

What if the scene called for a sharp knife to cut something with on scene, and the actor "jokingly" swings the knife at a crew member, accidentally killing them? Is the props department to blame for that?
Posted by: Warai-otoko

What we'd need to know is were live rounds were used on set and/or what kind of blanks were used.

It seems clear regardless, Alec was negligent on many levels. And its his set and it wasn't even actors that were hit.

The media is largely burying this story.

Posted by: Blago at October 22, 2021 10:35 AM (60dEi)

452 The Payolas were Canadian, and biggest there. US record labels and radio were uncomfortable with their name (because payola was a real thing) and kind of suppressed them.

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spoiler alert, eh?

anyway, I might have to give them a shout on Spotify this evening. I don't like Islands Police stuff that much but this song definitely hit a lot of the 80's era proggy notes that people like.

Posted by: Tim Riggins at October 22, 2021 10:35 AM (ZZK0E)

453 Baldwin needed some instruction like Gunny gave butterbars on the range in The Pacific.

https://youtu.be/Mu51rszgotI

Posted by: Count de Monet, IF, Unvaccinated Kulak-American at October 22, 2021 10:35 AM (4I/2K)

454 not a dog owner, eh?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Failure happens, giving up is a choice at October 22, 2021 10:19 AM (XvPQV)


Snort!

Posted by: Diogenes at October 22, 2021 10:35 AM (axyOa)

455 No Gorilla Pundit today?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 22, 2021 10:25 AM (2JVJo)

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Sure there is - Harambe.

Posted by: 496 at October 22, 2021 10:35 AM (VJsqe)

456 After watching Deliverance, I had a desire to cornhole Ned Beatty. Oh wait, that never happened.

You've never watched Deliverance? So the whole wanting to cornhole Ned Beatty thing just emerged on it's own with no prompting?

Weird.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at October 22, 2021 10:36 AM (SchxB)

457 After watching Deliverance, I had a desire to cornhole Ned Beatty. Oh wait, that never happened.

Posted by: pep at October 22, 2021 10:31 AM (ZsR3z)


they said I had to do for realism!!

I'm not gay!

Posted by: Ned Beatty at October 22, 2021 10:36 AM (RoIW/)

458
"Look, we're busy with this vax mandate thing. We can't go running around inspecting every two-bit movie set." - OSHA

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 22, 2021 10:36 AM (/U27+)

459 Waiting for all the gags and yucks from that smaht bunch on this. Looking at you Dana milbank.

Posted by: Dick cheney at October 22, 2021 10:37 AM (9dzlp)

460 13 I feel like this needs to be reinacted using the Team America marionettes. . .
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"Matt...DAMON!!"
BANG!!

"Skew Yew Awec Baldwin..."

Posted by: exdem13 at October 22, 2021 10:37 AM (W+kMI)

461 So the whole wanting to cornhole Ned Beatty thing just emerged on it's own with no prompting?

This too, is the story of Obama.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 22, 2021 10:37 AM (ZGrMX)

462 What made the first work was the simple nature of the relationship between story and action.
**

That right there.

Man loves three things. Those things are taken from him, each connecting him to the first and most important. Man struggles against the forces taking "little" things from him without understanding what they are (Chesterton's Fence!).

Man is suicidal with nothing to live for.

Man happens to be the worlds greatest assassin.

Go.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Leave post-it notes on bare shelves saying Enjoying socialism yet? at October 22, 2021 10:37 AM (KTZdS)

463 This is how they turn "Let's go Brandon" around in their favor?
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I guess we'll just have to stick to "Fuck Joe Biden" then.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at October 22, 2021 10:37 AM (UHVv4)

464 The sequels operate under the impression that people loved the first one because of the hotel and implications of this underworld of assassins.

As a writer I admit that I'd find the concept of developing that world and how it works fascinating and something I would want to pursue.

But not in a John Wick sequel. The first movie was a bunch of stunt coordinators and gun wranglers going "we should make our own gun movie and do it right for once instead of what these moronic directors keep forcing us to settle for or do."

Stick with that and you have a great movie. Try to dig into the background and develop a world and you're straying past your comfort zone.

Its like Rob Liefeld thinking writing doesn't matter so you can launch 15 comics with ever sloppier and lazier art instead of sticking to drawing what you're given to draw by talented writers.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 22, 2021 10:38 AM (KZzsI)

465 Alex Baldwin: "Joe Blow, the propmaster, was a known Trump supporter and he hated gays. This was an attempt by him to attack me and my sterling character. He has been fired and the FBI has arrested him."

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 22, 2021 10:38 AM (v9pBv)

466 I can't believe Team America only made the one movie. Seemed like it had a lot of anger and momentum and could have been an on-going gag.

Posted by: squid_hunt at October 22, 2021 10:38 AM (7MBHe)

467 425 The way to play this is for the NRA to push for only licensed NRA instructors as firearms handlers in all movies and television productions. Let's make Manhattan Media pay the NRA to make movies.
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I'm thoroughly willing to see this happen. Make all the actors learn safe shooting from Eddy the eagle.

Posted by: exdem13 at October 22, 2021 10:38 AM (W+kMI)

468 He didn't. It's not his fault Trump left him such a shitty economy.

They're already saying that as well.

No one is buying it. Not even the trolls on Disqus are repeating it.
Posted by: squid_hunt

$1.67 gal gas vs $7.59 gal gas?
Yeah. Hard to defend that.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 22, 2021 10:38 AM (OCTRt)

469 448
Or yesterday. Our gorillas must be stuck off port in a shipping container. Hope they have a lot of bananas.
Posted by: banana Dream at October 22, 2021 10:35 AM

My dad was wondering if we'll find hundreds of dead migrants in these long-delayed containers, once they start arriving.

Posted by: Grimmy at October 22, 2021 10:38 AM (NCgXW)

470 A lot of major productions have the armorer make custom rounds - custom dummies, custom blanks, etc. - that are tuned to the specific conditions and shots needed.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 22, 2021 10:23 AM (DU+/6)

All you need to have happen is get distracted and leave one live round in the mix. Had a "distracted" handloader disassemble his hunting rifle a few years back at the range into 6 major pieces (and a few minor ones that acted like shrapnel and could have easily killed someone) because he added a double load or the wrong powder or some such FU. He did learn a lesson though as his right hand was not looking that pretty.

Posted by: Keith - Pinochet/Bell Helicopter 202447 at October 22, 2021 10:38 AM (jdGlx)

471
Everyone, please meet wounded veterinarian Fuck Joe Biden.

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 10:39 AM (aGUIs)

472 name field test

Posted by: Moron Robbie - LET'S GO BALDWIN at October 22, 2021 10:39 AM (KTZdS)

473 Ever since this morning, when I read about this story, I've had Weird Al's song "Trigger Happy" stuck in my head.

Posted by: pookysgirl lost her Will Save against Earworm Curse at October 22, 2021 10:39 AM (XKZwp)

474 $1.67 gal gas vs $7.59 gal gas?
Yeah. Hard to defend that.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 22, 2021 10:38 AM (OCTRt)

$4.58 in my local So Cal gas station. ridiculous.

Posted by: IC at October 22, 2021 10:39 AM (hV9ir)

475 Naive question -

On movies set do they refer to real buildings, cars, horses, hot dogs, etc as "props"?

Or is it used used to refer to fake stuff that is supposed to look real, such as "Hand me that prop vomit, the one with the things that look like partially digested froot loops in it."?

Posted by: Phuk Ho Le at October 22, 2021 10:39 AM (9BuFr)

476 Alex Baldwin: "Joe Blow, the propmaster, was a known Trump supporter and he hated gays. This was an attempt by him to attack me and my sterling character. He has been fired and the FBI has arrested him."

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 22, 2021 10:38 AM (v9pBv)

This is not farfetched. Ask The Bee.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 22, 2021 10:40 AM (RoIW/)

477 nood ape

Posted by: IC at October 22, 2021 10:40 AM (hV9ir)

478 Seeing The Nutty Professor made me want to eat more.

Posted by: Meggie Mac at October 22, 2021 10:40 AM (Xrfse)

479 After watching Rocky, I started punching frozen beef carcasses. And doing one-armed pushups. And eating 6 raw eggs before my morning roadwork.

Posted by: Count de Monet, IF, Unvaccinated Kulak-American at October 22, 2021 10:40 AM (4I/2K)

480 I don't understand why there were any live cartridges at all. You can easily seat bullets on brass and have no powder in it or primer and they will look real in the revolver. Just don't film the the bottoms when they aren't in the weapon that would show lack of a primer.

Baldwin is mainly at fault for being an unsafe ass but so is the prop master or whoever was responsible for the prop weapons.

Posted by: SamIam at October 22, 2021 10:40 AM (gUZSN)

481 $1.67 gal gas vs $7.59 gal gas?
Yeah. Hard to defend that.


TBH, I'm surprised Chuck Schumer hasn't already called for an investigation into profiteering by the big oil companies.

Posted by: pep at October 22, 2021 10:40 AM (ZsR3z)

482 Noodus simianus major

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 22, 2021 10:41 AM (/XOcP)

483 Or is it used used to refer to fake stuff that is supposed to look real, such as "Hand me that prop vomit, the one with the things that look like partially digested froot loops in it."?

Posted by: Phuk Ho Le at October 22, 2021 10:39 AM (9BuFr)

Thanks. That reminds me.

*get fake vomit*

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 22, 2021 10:41 AM (RoIW/)

484 Gorilla has landed!

Posted by: kallisto at October 22, 2021 10:41 AM (DJFLF)

485 The sequels operate under the impression that people loved the first one because of the hotel and implications of this underworld of assassins.

I thought that stuff was interesting, but I didn't need a deep dive into it either.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 22, 2021 10:41 AM (ZGrMX)

486 Can anyone tell me why there would ever be live rounds on a movie set anyhow?

Posted by: checkers at October 22, 2021 10:42 AM (NtJmv)

487 382 Cannibal Bob, in the absence of Weasel, I think he was referring to shotgun slugs which are chunks of lead (other than Brenneke slugs) that kill at modest velocities and penetrate deeply. Look up the Box of Truth website where they shoot a lot of items to see how bullets/slugs penetrate and destroy.

Wadcutters are a bullet that has a flat face and usually used in revolvers as most semi automatics will not feed them. Wadcutters are fully enclosed by the brass case and restrict powder available so are relatively low powered but do penetrate. Semi Wadcutter bullets have a flat tip and sharply angled sides and can be used in revolvers and some semi automatics if it will feed them reliably. Can be fired at a higher velocity than wadcutters due most of the bullet protruding from the case allowing more powder behind it. Often used for hunting and formerly was used for self defense a lot before hollowpoints became popular. You can also make a semi wadcutter into a hollow point. Both wadcutters and semi wadcutters are usually plain lead, coated bullets, or plated w copper.

Posted by: whig at October 22, 2021 10:42 AM (9hXN1)

488 After watching Rocky, I started punching frozen beef carcasses. And doing one-armed pushups. And eating 6 raw eggs before my morning roadwork.

Posted by: Count de Monet, IF, Unvaccinated Kulak-American at October 22, 2021 10:40 AM (4I/2K)


Ok, I did that.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at October 22, 2021 10:42 AM (RoIW/)

489 Its like Rob Liefeld thinking writing doesn't matter so you can launch 15 comics with ever sloppier and lazier art instead of sticking to drawing what you're given to draw by talented writers.

You could plausibly sell "people care most about the art" for artists like Jim Lee. But Liefeld's stuff is famously bad.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 22, 2021 10:42 AM (ZGrMX)

490 TBH, I'm surprised Chuck Schumer hasn't already called for an investigation into profiteering by the big oil companies.
Posted by: pep at October 22, 2021 10:40 AM (ZsR3z)

It's going on right now. Also, trying to even pressure fuel retailers with antitrust pressure over some mergers (wow, forgot antitrust even existed in the country the past 20 years) to force them to not pass along actual wholesale prices.

Posted by: Keith - Pinochet/Bell Helicopter 202447 at October 22, 2021 10:43 AM (jdGlx)

491
The really horrible thing is that the camera lady ends up with "killed by Alec Baldwin" as her epitaph. I think I'd rather end up with "killed in a tragic autoerotic accident with a salad shooter and a can of Reddi-Whip".

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 22, 2021 10:43 AM (n+4am)

492 hey, alec, how's my ass taste?

Posted by: the Trump Curse at October 22, 2021 10:43 AM (NddcJ)

493 On movies set do they refer to real buildings, cars, horses, hot dogs, etc as "props"?

Or is it used used to refer to fake stuff that is supposed to look real, such as "Hand me that prop vomit, the one with the things that look like partially digested froot loops in it."?
Posted by: Phuk Ho Le at October 22, 2021


***
I think the buildings would be "locations" -- "We filmed on location." Cars would be cars and horses animals. A hot dog could be a prop, unless someone were actually going to eat it. "Prop" is short for "property," and I think anything that an actor can pick up and cart around would be called a property.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 22, 2021 10:43 AM (/XOcP)

494 463 This is how they turn "Let's go Brandon" around in their favor?
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I guess we'll just have to stick to "Fuck Joe Biden" then.
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Seems the right thing to do.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 22, 2021 10:43 AM (bA3Ln)

495 440 Isn't the cinematographer supposed to shoot the actor?

in alec baldwin's soviet movie company, actor shoots you!

Posted by: Kulak Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at October 22, 2021 10:44 AM (Sqfzg)

496 303 Actual @POTUS Twitter post today:

"I'm fighting every day to pass my Build Back Better Agenda for folks like Brandon. His story is like so many I've heard across the country. Folks are just looking for a fighting chance and to be treated with the dignity they deserve - and that's what my agenda is all about".
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On purpose, of course.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at October 22, 2021 10:17 AM (IytoW)

They actually found someone with more brain damage than Xiden?
(I renounce myself - totally lacking sensitivity on my part)

Posted by: Bonnie Blue - the anti-DOTE at October 22, 2021 10:44 AM (hlxe7)

497 > Iirc, none of the sharpshooter experts at the time could duplicate Oswald's shooting. Down & away in the time required with supposedly Oswald's shit accuracy and fucked rifle.

At least one of the contemporary tests was complete horseshit. They tasked the shooter with THREE reloads in the time required. If you fire three shots, there are only TWO reloads because you already have one in the chamber at the start of time.

According to wiki, Oswald was rated sharpshooter in the Army in 1956, then marksman in 1959. He wasn't amazing, but he wasn't shit either.

As to the rifle, I don't know how accurate it was. A Carcano is a piece of shit, but it can get the job done.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 22, 2021 10:44 AM (i0wNm)

498 The south park guys are leftists that hide behind the reasoned libertarian costume. They know the craziness of this leftist world creates fertile fields for comedy and there's money to be made but they don't like giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Same with Mike Judge and Groening to different degrees. With MacFarlane you know it's always going to be nihilistic crap but he pulls from the same source. Jesters for shit world, all.

Posted by: banana Dream at October 22, 2021 10:45 AM (+gFOr)

499 I think I'd rather end up with "killed in a tragic autoerotic accident with a salad shooter and a can of Reddi-Whip".
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Don't forget the lard.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 22, 2021 10:45 AM (bA3Ln)

500 Hmm since two were shot was this a shotgun fired at a distance? Can't be a semi-auto or auto because this was a period western movie. Or was this idiot rapid firing a single action revolver and didn't notice the first person was injured?

Posted by: SamIam at October 22, 2021 10:46 AM (gUZSN)

501 450 The Single Bullet theory?

(Actually, the JFK single bullet scenario has been successfully duplicated)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh


Iirc, none of the sharpshooter experts at the time could duplicate Oswald's shooting. Down & away in the time required with supposedly Oswald's shit accuracy and fucked rifle.
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The History Channel actually did us a solid in the previous decade, with a TV show that showed Oswald could've done it. A Dallas SWAT team guy did the three shots sequence at a 4-door convertible with a similar weapon to Oswald's rifle (Carcano rifle with 2x sight) a total of FOUR times! A couple of redundant takes were needed of 7 total because the rifle jammed 3 separate times.

Posted by: exdem13 at October 22, 2021 10:46 AM (W+kMI)

502 368 No offense to her, but she had one job

Man, read before you post. I literally said in the next paragraph:

She was given two jobs on this gig because the producers were too cheap to hire proper staff (hence the IATSE strike), so cutting corners as usual by the money people. Split attention.

283 How is that the person in charge of this not at the very least make sure when the gun is handed to the actor, its not actually loaded with real bullets?

Sometimes on lower budget films they do use real bullets because they don't have the budget to make fake gunshots in post. People are trained whether they have previous training or not and it's usually stunt people with the weapons.

Nothing is known at this point. The only thing that can be said is that it's entirely possible none of the cameras were running as it was probably between takes, and that there was a breakdown in the safety process that could be traced to improperly funding those in charge of weapons safety.

Posted by: Letting u know at October 22, 2021 10:46 AM (lrmmO)

503 >>>My dad was wondering if we'll find hundreds of dead migrants in these long-delayed containers, once they start arriving.

They will no longer be migrants, they will be soil.

Posted by: Phuk Ho Le at October 22, 2021 10:46 AM (9BuFr)

504 Holy Crap Trump may be planning to buy a Tech Giant like Twitter. He'll have trillions to spend. Or maybe Fox. Jesus. Cabal will have to stop this avalanche. He might consume the entire media ecosystem.

Posted by: Thesokorus at October 22, 2021 10:49 AM (1ais2)

505 bonhomme,
Carcanos are actually pretty well built and the long rifles were used by the Italians even after WWII for international military shooting exercises. It is unique as it has a gain twist rifling where the rifling changes its twist from slow at the chamber to fast at the muzzle so as to minimize bullet deformation. Also saves on wear of the rifling. The Carcanos got a bad rep due to cost saving measures by the Italian army post WWI, they changed their needs to more carbines and less long rifles. But, to save money, they simply chopped off gain twist barrels leaving the slower twist part so that the bullets were not stabilized properly. Think this model was the 91/24 but would have to check my notes.

BTW, the after market Carcano clips contribute to the bad reputation (this is a true Mannlicher clip feed rifle with the clip ejecting after firing all six rounds) and the safety is crude with poor sights on the carbine models. You need the original WWII era Carcano clips to avoid jams.

Posted by: whig at October 22, 2021 10:56 AM (9hXN1)

506 expounding on a few earlier comments:

Alex Baldwin now has a higher body county than:

95% of Chicago gangbangers
99.5% of all police officers
99.9% of legal gun owners
100% of January 6 "insurrectionists"

Posted by: joekur at October 22, 2021 10:56 AM (Th/ZF)

507 jeez, thats how biden's handlers want to counter Let's Go brandon?
i predict a lot of people going by the name F. Joe Biden.

Posted by: vivi at October 22, 2021 10:58 AM (NddcJ)

508 expounding on a few earlier comments:

Alec Baldwin has a higher body count than:

95% of Chicago gang bangers
99.5% of all Peace Officers
99.9% of legal gun owners
100% of January 6 "insurrectionists"

Posted by: joekur at October 22, 2021 10:58 AM (Th/ZF)

509 How? A wounded veteran drives race cars? Because that's where the brain dead reporter said the chant was from.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 22, 2021 10:29 AM (OCTRt)

The media will memory hole that and show the photo op. I am surprised they didn't have Biden say "Let's go brandon".

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 22, 2021 10:59 AM (dSYei)

510 Today we introduce the "Let's go brandon" act to support wounded veterans.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 22, 2021 11:00 AM (dSYei)

511 497 > Iirc, none of the sharpshooter experts at the time could duplicate Oswald's shooting. Down & away in the time required with supposedly Oswald's shit accuracy and fucked rifle.

At least one of the contemporary tests was complete horseshit. They tasked the shooter with THREE reloads in the time required. If you fire three shots, there are only TWO reloads because you already have one in the chamber at the start of time. According to wiki, Oswald was rated sharpshooter in the Army in 1956, then marksman in 1959. He wasn't amazing, but he wasn't shit either.

As to the rifle, I don't know how accurate it was. A Carcano is a piece of shit, but it can get the job done.
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Oswald was a Marine, although the Corps disowned him afterwards. He could shoot, and he had a chosen position that gave him maximum chance for success with a rifle. This is one of the reasons I have trouble with the "grassy knoll" anymore, it's a worse position than Oswald's for an aimed rifle shot. And yeah, the Carcano was a mediocre rifle, but it definitely worked that day! Even with the potential jam rate he got 3 rounds off, and adjusted for range and windage.

Posted by: exdem13 at October 22, 2021 11:00 AM (W+kMI)

512 510 Today we introduce the "Let's go brandon" act to support wounded veterans.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy



Heh! The Babylon Bee just can't keep up.

Posted by: Puddleglum is a pessimist at October 22, 2021 11:02 AM (Hudry)

513 315 I have relatives that live in nm. Santa Fe is a liberal shithole. NM is seriously democrat. No way does A baldwin get changed. Not a chance.
Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at October 22, 2021 10:19 AM (0OmEj)

This is spot on.

Posted by: David Schauer at October 22, 2021 11:02 AM (mAJkd)

514 Word I have heard from various places is that this was a blank combined with a section of cleaning rod stuck in the barrel - but no confirmation on that yet.

One such could certainly wound 2 people.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at October 22, 2021 11:06 AM (DS/kF)

515 And of course Oswald had some help making like a super shooter due to the JFK administration's handling of the TX tour, the publicizing of the route, the slow travel speed, and putting POTUS in an open convertible. The History Channel show I watched proved that in target shooting terms, Oswald had a lot of time with a clear sightline towards an acquired target that was advancing on/past his position. BANG! Miss, adjust for range and windage. BANG! On target outside low, JFK & Governor Connolly hit. BANG! Headshot, JFK killed.

Posted by: exdem13 at October 22, 2021 11:08 AM (W+kMI)

516 Mister Murphy tends to show up when people screw around with guns, even supposedly "safe" guns on movie sets. There was a scandal in the Eighties when two actors were killed with prop blanks, and then there's the lamented death of Brandon Lee. Baldwin ought to have known better, but no, he had to be a Leftard twit and make himself liable for a wrongful death lawsuit payoff.

Posted by: exdem13 at October 22, 2021 11:13 AM (W+kMI)

517 No charges filed.
These people are allowed to commit murder and get away with it.

Posted by: obsidian at October 22, 2021 11:14 AM (etXns)

518 Apparently the newspaper article that Ace reference regarding the "how about I shoot both of you" is fake news.

Posted by: Defenestratus at October 22, 2021 11:17 AM (o/bie)

519 Back, and to the left.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at October 22, 2021 11:23 AM (vuisn)

520 Easier to keep guns out of the hands of murderous actors if murderous actors don't have hands anymore.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: Another Anon at October 22, 2021 11:25 AM (bW28E)

521 Looks like Baldwin got lucky on the shooting. His director tested positive for Covid. So, that's the official cause of death.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at October 22, 2021 11:50 AM (MqtaD)

522 498 The south park guys are leftists that hide behind the reasoned libertarian costume...
Same with Mike Judge and Groening to different degrees. With MacFarlane you know it's always going to be nihilistic crap but he pulls from the same source. Jesters for shit world, all.
Posted by: banana Dream at October 22, 2021 10:45 AM (+gFOr)
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It astounds me how obtuse Americans can be to consume trash that spits in the face of the people who are it's primary audience. For God's sake, the cartoon character you think is so funny is supposed to represent YOU.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at October 22, 2021 11:56 AM (MqtaD)

523 He obviously knows nothing about guns. He should have used the common cock blocker. I'm pretty sure they're required in California.

Posted by: mc at October 22, 2021 11:59 AM (arTnq)

524 "How about I just shoot the both of ya?"

Can you find the source of this? Snopes is calling it fake, and I can't find a source for this online.

Posted by: Jeebuz at October 22, 2021 01:40 PM (buw4J)

525 My first thought when I read Alec Baldwin had shot two people was that he flew into a rage about something, snapped and started shooting. We shall see.

Firearms are not toys. It seems every few years some Hollyweird actor learns that the hard way.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at October 22, 2021 01:50 PM (pJWtt)

526 Almost certainly Baldwin will be charged with whatever version of Negligent Homicide they have down in New Mexico. It's pretty hard to explain away killing someone because you're too stupid to know how to handle a "prop" firearm.

He won't do any time, but he's toast for a civil suit.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at October 22, 2021 01:55 PM (pJWtt)

527 ace,

is that joking statement from Baldwin ("how about i shoot both ya" from a reliable source? i think (not sure) it was posted as a joke by someone.

Posted by: irenefingirene at October 22, 2021 02:02 PM (3mtGZ)

528 Blanks can kill if close enough.

Link to the original source of the"on set sources" info?

Posted by: JJ at October 22, 2021 02:52 PM (teqHr)

529 Was Halyna Hutchins trying to jump thru a window on the set of "Rust" ?

I've been told that jumping thru a window can be justifyable reason to shoot someone.

Posted by: SMOD at October 22, 2021 03:09 PM (RHGPo)

530 GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE
ALEC BALDWIN KILLS PEOPLE

Posted by: jbspry at October 22, 2021 04:17 PM (ATe9j)

531 The big mystery is why on earth there was a live round anywhere within 5 miles of the prop department.
I can't believe this was entirely an "oopsie". Not saying Baldwin was behind it, but I suspect someone is toasting himself on a good day's work tonight.

Posted by: jbspry at October 22, 2021 04:19 PM (ATe9j)

532 The very same Alec Baldwin who wanted Sam Hyde and his family stoned to death the very same Alec Baldwin who did that awful movie Cat in the Hat the very same Alec Baldwin who did stupid ads for PETA the very same Alec Baldwin who called his Dauhter a Fat Selfish Pig the very same Alec Baldwin who wrote book about Child Care for Single Fathers and it was,nt best seller

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at October 22, 2021 05:33 PM (wGqjj)

533 rumor: handed gun "its safe". Alec it is a real gun. First, you check if it is safe. no assumptions. but you are not a gun owner, just a gun hater.

Posted by: government here to save you at October 22, 2021 10:38 PM (lNSu6)

534 Knowing the parasitic behavior of Hollywood, there is bound to be a movie of the Baldwin incident. They could call it...

"CORROSION: The making of Rust"
Starring: Woody Allen as Alec Baldwin

I'm thinking dark comedy.....(too soon?)

Posted by: bill at October 24, 2021 06:50 PM (81hfh)

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