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Via @OrwellNGoode.

Parrot is as fascinated with soap-bubbles as Hillary Clinton was by the balloon drop in 2016.

Meanwhile, at the Cat Cloning Laboratory.

Otter playing.


Panda party.

Little girl uses her umbrella to keep the rain off a stray dog.

Tiny miniature horse leads the herd.

Cat rats out the other cat.

Cat has his Halloween costume ready.

Kitten playing fetch. Very cute.

Dog gets ready for bed. Very smart dog.

This Shepherd goes Beast Mode for a jump.

As does this penguin.

These animals have a very pronounced overclass/worker class hierarchy.

Inman: Cashier stands up to a Soy Thug wielding a fake gun.

Playcalling the staged Resident Biden and Vice Resident Kumala surprise birthday kiss.

Posted by: Ace at 07:30 PM




Comments

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1 No bats for Duncanthrax?

Posted by: J. Random Commenter at October 22, 2021 06:31 PM (RK2ju)

2 Podium

Posted by: Skip at October 22, 2021 06:33 PM (2JoB8)

3
Delilah: "I see you are having blueberry glazed donuts. I, too, like blueberry glazed donuts."

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 22, 2021 06:35 PM (/U27+)

4 Nooded
Little girl with umbrella is too cute

Posted by: Skip at October 22, 2021 06:35 PM (2JoB8)

5 The penguin is CUTE. I want one.

Posted by: wth at October 22, 2021 06:36 PM (v0R5T)

6 People were talking about Hefeweizen which I like but I found wheat beers turn skunky relatively quickly. Good beer though. And I know it's my own stupid fault for not drinking it in time. How can a man screw up beer? I can. I buy beer, don't get around to drinking it for a few weeks because I get busy and then I forget about it.

"Man, beer would be really great now, Oh shit, I have beer! One-month-old beer."

Definite user error. And I don't go over to friends' house's bringing beer and I don't have friends over and share beer since the pandemic.


Posted by: banana Dream at October 22, 2021 06:36 PM (+gFOr)

7 cat vats

Posted by: banana Dream at October 22, 2021 06:36 PM (+gFOr)

8 >>>Panda party.

Do not urban dictionary.

Posted by: flounder at October 22, 2021 06:37 PM (KnJdm)

9 That fresh thread smell.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at October 22, 2021 06:37 PM (jvt6t)

10 I will continue my mission for a positive Twitter!!

FUCK DRUMPF KILL THE UNVAXXED BLAARRGHHH

Posted by: typical leftist responding to cute animals on Twatter at October 22, 2021 06:37 PM (DTX3h)

11 Joey and Kamala kissing?

Eewww!! Get a room you two!

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2021 06:37 PM (WbpTV)

12 Parrots !!

Posted by: runner at October 22, 2021 06:37 PM (V13WU)

13 Cat cloning?

Could be a cat-tastrophe for all the Karens

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2021 06:38 PM (WbpTV)

14 Willowed:

Neighbors were arguing on their porch earlier. Dad wants the kid back in school... Mom was literally shrieking at the top of her impressive lungs "HOW COULD YOU FUCKING SAY THIS?!?!? YOU KNOW HE ISN'T SAFE IN THE GENERAL POPULATION!!!! IM NOT LISTENING TO YOU IM LISTENING TO THE FUCKING SCIENCE! REEEEEEE!!!"

I'm thinking about going over there with a glass of whiskey and a gun, and just asking if he wants to end his suffering, whichever way he sees fit.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 22, 2021 06:38 PM (/KPLX)

15 Pandas ! Penguins !!

Ace outdid hisself to-day !

Posted by: runner at October 22, 2021 06:38 PM (V13WU)

16 As fast as I can

Posted by: Braenyard at October 22, 2021 06:39 PM (cvH3m)

17 At first I thought the "Good night/or day" post was of a giant fruit bat. But, I don't think it's a giant fruit bat.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at October 22, 2021 06:39 PM (DTX3h)

18 i could have been first but I watched all the videos then scrolled to the bottom and no comments!!!

Posted by: lin-duh at October 22, 2021 06:39 PM (UUBmN)

19 Squib - A squib is a miniature explosive device used in a wide range of industries, from special effects to military applications. It resembles a tiny stick of dynamite, both in appearance and construction, although with considerably less explosive power. Squibs consist of two electrical leads, which are separated by a plug of insulating material, a small bridge wire or electrical resistance heater, and a bead of heat-sensitive chemical composition, in which the bridge wire is embedded. Squibs can be used for generating mechanical force or to provide pyrotechnic effects for both film and live theatrics. Squibs can be used for shattering or propelling a variety of materials.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 22, 2021 06:39 PM (OCTRt)

20 We had a Border Collie (Cooper), who we took camping with us at McGee Creek just south of Mammoth. Took horses up the mountain trail. At a flat spot, McGee Creek was pretty wide and snaked its slow way through the meadow. Cooper was bounding through the meadow and went to leap the creek and realized half-way across that he juuuust wasn't going to make it. Wiley Coyote style, he went straight down into the snow melt cold creek.

Posted by: Russkilitlover at October 22, 2021 06:39 PM (nWxPx)

21 HA HA Hillary and the balloons. Man I forgot about that. Comedy gold Ace, comedy fucking gold.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at October 22, 2021 06:40 PM (xDXlt)

22 Ace, I got Southwest Airlines points. Get you into Love Field about 9 a.m., jump in the Free Candy mobile excursion unit and be in Corsicana by 1030 hours.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at October 22, 2021 06:40 PM (jvt6t)

23
"I love this 1911."

https://youtu.be/uMM6Gyfzvb8

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 06:40 PM (aGUIs)

24 SURPRISE

FUCK JOE BIDEN

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 22, 2021 06:40 PM (yrol0)

25 That cashier played Russian roulette and hit the jackpot.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 22, 2021 06:41 PM (Xrfse)

26 An Eowk + a Candy mobile?

What could go wrong?

Don't answer that.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2021 06:41 PM (WbpTV)

27 Thanks for putting us the knowledge, rickb.

Had never heard that. Only know "squib" from the reloading context.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at October 22, 2021 06:41 PM (OTzUX)

28
Little girl uses her umbrella to keep the rain off a stray dog.

__________

Many years ago our Miss Possum took Best of Breed at a show where the rings and the grooming area were in separate buildings. Just as the Hound Group was set to go in, a tremendous downpour started.

Her Majesty asked me to please carry Possum - who was a big girl - over to the other building. As we walked through the rain, HM solicitously held an umbrella over... Possum. "If you slip and fall, try not to get her dirty."

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 22, 2021 06:41 PM (/U27+)

29 Hi Lin-duh!

Posted by: Jak Sucio at October 22, 2021 06:41 PM (jvt6t)

30 Ace, I got Southwest Airlines points.

==

fool. ace only travels First Class.

Posted by: runner at October 22, 2021 06:41 PM (V13WU)

31 I'm always happy to see penguins. They are so darned cute.

Posted by: bluebell at October 22, 2021 06:42 PM (xkSLi)

32
Neighbors were arguing on their porch earlier. Dad wants the kid back in school... Mom was literally shrieking at the top of her impressive lungs "HOW COULD YOU FUCKING SAY THIS?!?!? YOU KNOW HE ISN'T SAFE IN THE GENERAL POPULATION!!!! IM NOT LISTENING TO YOU IM LISTENING TO THE FUCKING SCIENCE! REEEEEEE!!!"

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice


She's reading Twitter all day.

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 06:42 PM (aGUIs)

33 *travel only first class ?

Posted by: runner at October 22, 2021 06:42 PM (V13WU)

34 Hey Jak, I will be up there in the morning...

Posted by: lin-duh at October 22, 2021 06:43 PM (UUBmN)

35 fool. ace only travels First Class.
Posted by: runner at October 22, 2021 06:41 PM (V13WU)

___

Only wannabees fly 1st class. Real ballers fly private.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at October 22, 2021 06:43 PM (xDXlt)

36 fool. ace only travels First Class.
Posted by: runner at October 22, 2021 06:41 PM (V13WU)

So you're saying the lure of the Free Candy mobile excursion unit won't tip the scales?

Posted by: Jak Sucio at October 22, 2021 06:43 PM (jvt6t)

37 There is one anime penguin that drinks beer.

If Misato was my roommate, I would drink also.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2021 06:44 PM (WbpTV)

38 hiya

Posted by: JT at October 22, 2021 06:44 PM (arJlL)

39
Squibs must be tiny because I look for them on shows and can never see them.

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 06:44 PM (aGUIs)

40 So you're saying the lure of the Free Candy mobile excursion unit won't tip the scales?


==

niecht

Posted by: runner at October 22, 2021 06:45 PM (V13WU)

41 Posted by: lin-duh at October 22, 2021 06:43 PM (UUBmN)

Awesome. Gonna get there early. Be careful!

Posted by: Jak Sucio at October 22, 2021 06:45 PM (jvt6t)

42 You've reached the desk of Merrick Garland. Sorry I missed your call. Whatever you're calling about, I didn't know about that.

Posted by: Merrick Garland's Answering Machine at October 22, 2021 06:45 PM (OaZlZ)

43 HAHAHA! Wonderful story, I LIKE your wife!

Posted by: Russkilitlover at October 22, 2021 06:45 PM (nWxPx)

44 You too Jak.

Posted by: lin-duh at October 22, 2021 06:45 PM (UUBmN)

45
I always wondered about the characters hiding behind a rock and they have a squib go off right beside their face.

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 06:46 PM (aGUIs)

46 You Texans please make sure that Weasel and CBD behave themselves. I don't trust them.

Posted by: bluebell at October 22, 2021 06:46 PM (xkSLi)

47 Beast mode shepherd: how hard would you shit your pants if you saw that boy coming for you?

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 22, 2021 06:46 PM (QU5/8)

48 niecht
Posted by: runner at October 22, 2021 06:45 PM (V13WU)

*thinking of something for next year*

Posted by: Jak Sucio at October 22, 2021 06:46 PM (jvt6t)

49 Whew, Ace!

You're wearing me out today, so much outstanding content!

I'll be clicking and reading all night, thanks!

Posted by: Pony Tail at October 22, 2021 06:46 PM (tzZq2)

50 Ice cream dog was cute.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 22, 2021 06:46 PM (R/m4+)

51 You Texans please make sure that Weasel and CBD behave themselves. I don't trust them.

Posted by: bluebell at October 22, 2021 06:46 PM (xkSLi)

CBD is preparing dinner. It will be ready next week.

Posted by: flounder at October 22, 2021 06:47 PM (KnJdm)

52 That meme is also:

Top - me with my fries
Bottom - me with our fries

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at October 22, 2021 06:47 PM (GbPPJ)

53 YAY CAFE!!!

Love all the doggehs!!!

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at October 22, 2021 06:47 PM (YZG/i)

54 The NRA has long taught classes in gun safety. Alec Baldwin could have used some of their advice. You don't point the barrel of a gun at another human being unless you mean to shoot them.

Posted by: Axeman at October 22, 2021 06:48 PM (OaZlZ)

55 Hey I'm back.

Got my bad tire replaced finally.

Hey, maybe that should be a follow-up tribute band for Badfinger. Badtire!

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 06:48 PM (L2ZTs)

56 You Texans please make sure that Weasel and CBD behave themselves. I don't trust them.
Posted by: bluebell at October 22, 2021 06:46 PM (xkSLi)

-----------

Listen to this woman. She's pre-law.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 22, 2021 06:49 PM (kTF2Z)

57 Sooth she barely looks to hold that

Posted by: Skip at October 22, 2021 06:49 PM (2JoB8)

58 Posted by: Russkilitlover at October 22, 2021 06:45 PM (nWxPx)

Oops, supposed to have been attached to Hadrian's comment. It's been a long week.

Posted by: Russkilitlover at October 22, 2021 06:49 PM (nWxPx)

59 Let's Go Cornholio!

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at October 22, 2021 06:50 PM (sG29e)

60 Only wannabees fly 1st class. Real ballers fly private.
Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at October 22, 2021 06:43 PM (xDXlt)

Ha. This little comparison reminded me of an idle train of thought I had today, so I will share it with the class.

Trump is sorta like a regular dude who always did the things a regular dude thinks that billionaires do. Buy a skyscraper. Coat everything you own in gold leaf. Bang a bunch of supermodels.

He never knew that Real Money buys a Senator or two, buys a private island in the Caribbean, and bangs a bunch of orphans.

Anybody can just "buy shit". It takes Real Money (i.e. the kind of evil corruption it takes to obtain Real Money) to buy the things you're *not* allowed to buy.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 22, 2021 06:51 PM (6FeV1)

61 Again, can't wait to hear about the glowie at tonight's TX MoMee.

"He was easy to spot in his Ray-Ban sunglasses and sparkling purple zentai..."

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 06:51 PM (L2ZTs)

62 Beast mode shepherd: how hard would you shit your pants if you saw that boy coming for you?

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls

====

We had shepherds growing up on a farm. I knew they had chops, but that video . . Damn.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at October 22, 2021 06:51 PM (8AONa)

63 >>> fool. ace only travels First Class. Posted by: runner at October 22, 2021 06:41 PM (V13WU)
___
Only wannabees fly 1st class. Real ballers fly private. Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at October 22, 2021 06:43 PM (xDXlt)


Hang gliders:

https://bit.ly/2ZeaCn6

Posted by: banana Dream at October 22, 2021 06:53 PM (+gFOr)

64
she barely looks to hold that
Posted by: Skip


You should see her older videos from over a year ago. She's even smaller!

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 06:53 PM (aGUIs)

65 Snitches get catstitches.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at October 22, 2021 06:53 PM (5l6FZ)

66 You Texans please make sure that Weasel and CBD behave themselves. I don't trust them.

Posted by: bluebell at October 22, 2021 06:46 PM (xkSLi)

Ben Had's got this. No guarantees when the spud vide starts happening though.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at October 22, 2021 06:54 PM (jvt6t)

67 I only know squib from BMY.

Posted by: SFGoth at October 22, 2021 06:55 PM (KAi1n)

68 Spud vie...that'll do.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at October 22, 2021 06:55 PM (jvt6t)

69 Can I just share something about the Alec Baldwin "situation"??

I feel badly for the family of the cinematographer who was killed, as well as for the director who was injured. But for Alec himself I have nothing but utter contempt. He's been allowed to be a screaming idiot bully for way way WAY too long.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 06:55 PM (L2ZTs)

70 DrBone, or as they say in the coastal mafia:

snitches get to swim wit da fitches.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 06:56 PM (L2ZTs)

71 I'm buying dog food from Chewy again. The feed store I used to shop at closed last October. Don't really want to trudge through Petco with a mask on.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at October 22, 2021 06:56 PM (5HBd1)

72 I feel badly for the family of the cinematographer who was killed, as well as for the director who was injured. But for Alec himself I have nothing but utter contempt. He's been allowed to be a screaming idiot bully for way way WAY too long.
Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 06:55 PM (L2ZTs)

yes. and he needs to go to jail for involuntary manslaughter.

Posted by: runner at October 22, 2021 06:56 PM (V13WU)

73 My German Shephard looked like that jumping into the water.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at October 22, 2021 06:57 PM (5HBd1)

74 66 You Texans please make sure that Weasel and CBD behave themselves. I don't trust them.

Posted by: bluebell at October 22, 2021 06:46 PM (xkSLi)

Ben Had's got this. No guarantees when the spud vide starts happening though.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at October 22, 2021 06:54 PM (jvt6t)

One word. Cattle prods.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob - don't order the schnitzel at October 22, 2021 06:57 PM (RoIW/)

75
Jerry Miculek's "Share The Love" drill.

It's three bad guy targets and they get 4 in the chest, 2 in the head, 2 in the chest, and 2 in the chest.

https://youtu.be/2l_XHHyRLzo

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 06:57 PM (aGUIs)

76 69, agree with you, qdp.

Posted by: Infidel at October 22, 2021 06:57 PM (QC3yT)

77 runner, YES!!!!

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 06:57 PM (L2ZTs)

78 Again, can't wait to hear about the glowie at tonight's TX MoMee.

No on ground, just redirected a couple of KH-11's.

You can trust me.

Posted by: Bob from NSA at October 22, 2021 06:57 PM (78fFR)

79 54 The NRA has long taught classes in gun safety. Alec Baldwin could have used some of their advice. You don't point the barrel of a gun at another human being unless you mean to shoot them.
Posted by: Axeman at October 22, 2021 06:48 PM (OaZlZ)
----------------

Who put a live round in the gun?

Posted by: Braenyard at October 22, 2021 06:58 PM (cvH3m)

80 He's been allowed to be a screaming idiot bully for way way WAY too long.
Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 06:55 PM (L2ZTs)

It's a huge moment in his "arc" as a real life human character. Does he realize, "Holy shit... I was acting like an asshole again, and finally actually killed someone", and really do some soul searching? Or does he go full villain and blame every molecule in the universe that isn't attached to Alec Baldwin for this event?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 22, 2021 06:58 PM (6FeV1)

81 Infidel, thank you!!!

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 06:58 PM (L2ZTs)

82 Warai, I'd bet $1000 on the latter.
Assholes like Alec rarely change their stripes IMHO.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 06:58 PM (L2ZTs)

83 Alec Baldwin can not blame management for this since he IS management making decisions.

For the guy who played Jack Ryan shooting a GRU agent aboard Red October and a big anti-gun freak, Alec is well in deep doo doo

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2021 06:59 PM (WbpTV)

84 82 Warai, I'd bet $1000 on the latter.
Assholes like Alec rarely change their stripes IMHO.
Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 06:58 PM (L2ZTs)

i would not care to counter that wager, unless you gave me 100:1 odds.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 22, 2021 06:59 PM (6FeV1)

85 Warai, smart man.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 07:00 PM (L2ZTs)

86 And that Tweet of Alec's from 2017 where he wondered how it feels to shoot someone...

Well ass'ole what say you now?

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2021 07:00 PM (WbpTV)

87 Just finished washing Vanessa and now I'm just sitting here watching her play in the tub. One of my favorite things.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 22, 2021 07:00 PM (/KPLX)

88 Baldwin has had multiple meeting with lawyers and press agent. They are already planning his come back. "Lets get this behind us"..

Scumbags.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob - don't order the schnitzel at October 22, 2021 07:01 PM (RoIW/)

89 Anna, if I were Sarah Palin I'd be going full bore against Alec right now.

"Who's the dumbass now??"

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 07:01 PM (L2ZTs)

90 Just finished washing Vanessa and now I'm just sitting here watching her play in the tub. One of my favorite things.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 22, 2021 07:00 PM (/KPLX)

I love that name.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob - don't order the schnitzel at October 22, 2021 07:02 PM (RoIW/)

91 I feel bad for the cinematographer.

Fuck Alec Baldwin

(Clap-clap-clapclapclap)

Posted by: Jak Sucio at October 22, 2021 07:02 PM (jvt6t)

92 Jak, yup!!

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 07:02 PM (L2ZTs)

93 At least when Sarah Palin shoots something to death, she has the tags for it.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 22, 2021 07:02 PM (6FeV1)

94 Somebody set alec baldwin up.

Posted by: SFGoth at October 22, 2021 07:02 PM (KAi1n)

95 I wonder if there's somewhere i can bet on whether Baldwin does time.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 22, 2021 07:02 PM (/KPLX)

96 I just went through some mail, and there's a letter from the VA. They want me to once again stand up and serve my country by getting a clot shot. Guess that Agent Orange stuff wasn't enough.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 22, 2021 07:03 PM (C1Lsn)

97 95 I wonder if there's somewhere i can bet on whether Baldwin does time.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 22, 2021 07:02 PM (/KPLX)

There is if you can read Chinese, I'm sure.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 22, 2021 07:03 PM (6FeV1)

98 I just went through some mail, and there's a letter from the VA. They want me to once again stand up and serve my country by getting a clot shot. Guess that Agent Orange stuff wasn't enough.

==


junk mail

Posted by: runner at October 22, 2021 07:04 PM (V13WU)

99 Alec set himself up. He is co-producer. And the actor.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2021 07:04 PM (WbpTV)

100 Warai, LOL yes!!
SFGoth, musta been OJ!
Yud, when you find it, let me know.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 07:04 PM (L2ZTs)

101 I love that name.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob - don't order the schnitzel at October 22, 2021 07:02 PM (RoIW/)

Get this - it's a fake name. Jonathan Swift just made it up. She's named after her maternal grandmother, who died young.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 22, 2021 07:05 PM (/KPLX)

102 Alec set himself up. He is co-producer. And the actor.

==

also #1 asshoe and bully , so yeah

Posted by: runner at October 22, 2021 07:05 PM (V13WU)

103 You Texans please make sure that Weasel and CBD behave themselves. I don't trust them.

Posted by: bluebell at October 22, 2021 06:46 PM (xkSLi)

Ben Had's got this. No guarantees when the spud vide starts happening though.
Posted by: Jak Sucio at October 22, 2021 06:54 PM (jvt6t)


What Bluebell said.
When somebody says "Hold my beer ," it will be time for an intervention.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 22, 2021 07:06 PM (axyOa)

104 in other news, "GOP Congressman Ends Floor Speech with "Let's Go, Brandon" (Bill Posey (R-FL)

Posted by: runner at October 22, 2021 07:07 PM (V13WU)

105 The 'accident' defense dies when Alec is asked, "in all your movies with guns did you not receive any training in safely handling firearms?"

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2021 07:07 PM (WbpTV)

106 Yud I would bet not even a indictment

Posted by: Skip at October 22, 2021 07:08 PM (2JoB8)

107 I have become my cat's budoir. She loves to lie on me and groom herself. Well, sigh, her name is "Pretty Girl".

Posted by: SFGoth at October 22, 2021 07:08 PM (KAi1n)

108 "Dedicate one to the ladies " doggeh

https://youtu.be/i2RKWJD5ops

Posted by: Doof at October 22, 2021 07:09 PM (mZUr4)

109 The 'accident' defense dies when Alec is asked, "in all your movies with guns did you not receive any training in safely handling firearms?"
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2021 07:07 PM (WbpTV)

yes; he should have known. he cannot feign ignorance.

Posted by: runner at October 22, 2021 07:09 PM (V13WU)

110 She's very thorough.

Posted by: SFGoth at October 22, 2021 07:09 PM (KAi1n)

111 Yud I would bet not even a indictment
Posted by: Skip at October 22, 2021 07:08 PM (2JoB8

In this case, I think they would just issue a warrant, right?

I could see it, but for a misdemeanor, no time, max. No felony.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 22, 2021 07:11 PM (/KPLX)

112 I can't imagine on a movie set a weapon would be fired at someone, and especially not in a scene unless fkin around.

Posted by: Skip at October 22, 2021 07:11 PM (2JoB8)

113 Animal vids were all adorable. Thanks.

Posted by: Tuna at October 22, 2021 07:12 PM (gLRfa)

114
It's going to be ruled an accident, no doubt.
But it's really no different from Alec Baldwin running a sword through the woman "by accident" because he "thought" the sword was a prop. He killed her, plain and simple.

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 07:12 PM (aGUIs)

115 I don't really care. Everyone involved in that production probably hates me. Alec can shoot them all.*

It's possible I'm wrong, of course. But my new policy as that someone has to establish their bona fides before I care what happens to them now. Tit for tat.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 22, 2021 07:13 PM (QU5/8)

116 Before the Hollywood PR machine is finished, Baldwin will the victim. He will not do a nanosecond of prison time.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at October 22, 2021 07:13 PM (xDXlt)

117
Didn't Danica Patrick kill her own pit crew?

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 07:13 PM (aGUIs)

118 If there is more than one witness coming forward, or better yet video, of asshole saying "how about i just shoot you" before shooting them, he is well and truly fucked. I do believe he didn't *intend* to murder anyone, but that level of malicious negligence is tantamount to murder.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 22, 2021 07:14 PM (6FeV1)

119 Get this - it's a fake name.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice

I always thought that was your real name! ;-)

Posted by: Toni-not an anti-vaxxer, just Mrs. Doubt Pfizer at October 22, 2021 07:14 PM (PgM6e)

120 115 I don't really care. Everyone involved in that production probably hates me. Alec can shoot them all.*

__

Yep. That producer or director or whatever that got killed is almost surely a left wing asshole as well. So my give a fuck meter is pretty close to zero on that.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at October 22, 2021 07:14 PM (xDXlt)

121 Why was he pointing anything at her ?? She was a producer not an actor. He had a temper tantrum that ended in death.

Posted by: runner at October 22, 2021 07:15 PM (V13WU)

122 bear, that's a fair point. Once again conservatives are showing compassion for compassionless lefties.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 07:15 PM (L2ZTs)

123 YD, should ask your neighbor are you a man or a mouse? Too many men forget they are the head of the family. Mothers raise children, fathers define them.

Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at October 22, 2021 07:16 PM (QEPWt)

124 One word. Cattle prods.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob - don't order the schnitzel at October 22, 2021 06:57 PM

One memorable Christmas eve years back, my date and I had a very fancy dinner at a lovely waterside restaurant in deep south Louisiana. Very picturesque; the water side of the restaurant was plate glass windows, allowing a lovely view of the lawn gently sloping down to the mist laden water (bayou), from which jutted a rickety looking dock with several pirogues tied thereupon.

To my surprise, upon exiting the restaurant we walked down to the boats where his was waiting to take us further downstream to a bar that looked like it was right out of . At this point, I still considered this a "good date", not too far from the norm in south Louisiana.

We walked a wooded path to this bar and upon entering it was as though I had gone back in time a hundred years. 7' ceiling, 3' of those smoke filled. Dark inside. At some point a fight broke out and I saw the very small bartender leap over the bar with a pole that had sparks - big sparks - shooting from the end. My date grabbed my hand and we ran - fast - down the path to the pirogue. /1

Posted by: one of the quiet ones at October 22, 2021 07:17 PM (T823z)

125 Warai, I would personally love to see Alec get in real trouble with the law. Unfortunately he's too protected, much like Harvey Weinstein. It took a literal flood of accusations to make law enforcement pay attention to HW and it'll probably take a lot more evidence of Baldwin's utter hate and stupidity to get him really and truly fucked with charges.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 07:17 PM (L2ZTs)

126 >>Again, can't wait to hear about the glowie at tonight's TX MoMee.

"He was easy to spot in his Ray-Ban sunglasses and sparkling purple zentai..."


"How do you do, fellow horders!? It took me two weeks to get here, heh heh heh, but first, I must blow the barrel! Tha stupid president, I just just want to get me a hunting license and let loose the corgis -- who's with me, amirite?! My Nick? No, I didn't say my name was Nick, it's, uh, Willow, er, Willard. .. "

Posted by: Lizzy at October 22, 2021 07:17 PM (bDqIh)

127 122 bear, that's a fair point. Once again conservatives are showing compassion for compassionless lefties.
Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 07:15 PM (L2ZTs)

___

It's why we always lose. They want to kill you, we have condolences for them and their families and shit.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at October 22, 2021 07:17 PM (xDXlt)

128
I heard the 911 call. The lady caller was very calm and specific...and lawerly.

I suspect the first thing they did was hide or erase all the film/video. Move things around. Then they called 911.

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 07:17 PM (aGUIs)

129 I can't imagine on a movie set a weapon would be fired at someone, and especially not in a scene unless fkin around.
Posted by: Skip at October 22, 2021 07:11 PM (2JoB,


Years ago i was walking around Old Tucson, a western movie lot near, oddly enough, Tucson. They were filming Wild Wild West Revisited. Some extras were standing around shooting the bull and practicing their quick draw. I told mrs D it would only take one dumbass to load the weapon and do something stupid. Could of been a prop gun but looked and sounded real wheel gun.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 22, 2021 07:17 PM (axyOa)

130
lulz

Scotland has banned the word "spooky" from Halloween. Because you know why.

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 07:18 PM (aGUIs)

131 She's reading Twitter all day.
Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 06:42 PM (aGUIs)

Well, they are in Colorado, right? If the brats have to be masked and vaxxed to go to the school, where their little heads will crammed full of Communist Race Theory, then they are better off at home.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 22, 2021 07:18 PM (P3gRi)

132 Also, if you read up on how/why Swift invented the name Vanessa, it's pretty fucked up. He was a gaping dickhole. I love Swift, but it's pretty hard to stomach.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 22, 2021 07:18 PM (/KPLX)

133 As we jumped into the boat, we heard gunshots coming from the direction of the bar. We hightailed it out of there, breathless and laughing, and that was when I learned what a cattle prod was.

But all in all, a great date, and memorable too.

/end

Posted by: one of the quiet ones at October 22, 2021 07:18 PM (T823z)

134 The Daily Beast, not exactly a conservative-friendly publication, is openly reporting that Baldwin's production was plagued with issues, including gun safety issues.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 07:20 PM (L2ZTs)

135 The one wrinkle in all of this is New Mexico. Had this happened in CA, it would be a slam dunk, oopsie, don't do it again please ruling by the corrupt police. But this is NM. It may not be swept under the rug as easily.

Then again NM is heavily dependent on H'Wood money these days, so maybe they will do the studio a solid in exchange for 5 more movies shot on location guaranteed.

Posted by: Joe XiDen - Delta Delta Delta Can I help ya help ya help ya Variant at October 22, 2021 07:20 PM (xDXlt)

136 >>>I can't imagine on a movie set a weapon would be fired at someone, and especially not in a scene unless fkin around.

>I can't imagine how any set or production company would allow real firearms as a prop. Batman did *BIF!* *BLAM!* *KRAKK!* *KA-POW!*

Nobody rolled out a real bazooka and executed the crew!

Posted by: Dr. Bone at October 22, 2021 07:20 PM (5l6FZ)

137 I bet Ahole Baldwin won't even get charged

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at October 22, 2021 07:20 PM (YZG/i)

138 Lizzy, LOL!

"Also, let's proceed Randolph! Or however the saying goes..."

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 07:21 PM (L2ZTs)

139 Yud, Jonathan Swift??

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 07:22 PM (L2ZTs)

140 123 YD, should ask your neighbor are you a man or a mouse? Too many men forget they are the head of the family. Mothers raise children, fathers define them.
Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at October 22, 2021 07:16 PM (QEPWt)

I (quietly) argued with mine, and made a compromise. One semester, then no mas. She already is tired of it. You can't win them all. But no, you can't have here emasculating you in front of the whole neighborhood. This ain't the first time something like this happened with these people, and that's a "one warning, never again" scenario AFAIC.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 22, 2021 07:23 PM (/KPLX)

141 Joe Xiden, a lot depends on how enamored the local NM DA is with Hollytards.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 07:23 PM (L2ZTs)

142 Yeah that might be what really sinks Alec this time, non union folks doing union jobs.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2021 07:23 PM (WbpTV)

143 89 Anna, if I were Sarah Palin I'd be going full bore against Alec right now.

"Who's the dumbass now??"

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 07:01 PM (L2ZTs)

++++

Public figures would be wise to proceed with caution. There are reports of union problems on the set and that the union members had left for the day. If it turns out that one of them sabotaged that gun, anyone who starts flinging gotchas around might end up with it backfiring on them.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at October 22, 2021 07:23 PM (hVqGz)

144 I can't imagine on a movie set a weapon would be fired at someone, and especially not in a scene unless fkin around.

In the scenes ? All the time. Of course, as I was smartened up today, Keanu Reeves is just dreamy with his Gun Fu - so no way an accident could happen while he's wrestling and double tapping through multiple shots and multiple scenes with the gun cycling and less than two feet from the target. After all - he trains. And checks the chamber. And aims to the left or something. At a forty-five degree angle - but trick photography gets that shit done.

Posted by: Working for Peanuts at October 22, 2021 07:23 PM (0snk2)

145 142 Yeah that might be what really sinks Alec this time, non union folks doing union jobs.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2021 07:23 PM (WbpTV)

I think you may be right

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 22, 2021 07:24 PM (6FeV1)

146 >>Then again NM is heavily dependent on H'Wood money these days, so maybe they will do the studio a solid in exchange for 5 more movies shot on location guaranteed.


Mamet already covered this in his movie "State and Main," where -- get this! - a Hollywood crew is jeopardized by the Alec Baldwin leading man character's lawbreaking (statutory rape) while on location in a small town in Vermont(?). . .

Posted by: Lizzy at October 22, 2021 07:24 PM (bDqIh)

147 Anna, yup. If it angers enough of the right people, Alec could find himself blackballed by Hollywood unions over this incident.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 07:24 PM (L2ZTs)

148 #143 - so, i was right: setup.

Posted by: SFGoth at October 22, 2021 07:26 PM (KAi1n)

149 bear, that's a fair point. Once again conservatives are showing compassion for compassionless lefties.
Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 07:15 PM (L2ZTs)

Because we "conservatives" are not soulless monsters making blood sacrifices to Moloch.

I won't become them. I am sorry this whole Baldwin thing happened. I have no clue what he is thinking right now. Maybe he just does not give a fuck, aside from how it affects his career. That's his burden to bear. But I am praying for the victims and their families.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Rage-oholic at October 22, 2021 07:26 PM (x8Wzq)

150 I admit I have enough contempt for Baldwin that I wouldn't care if he was set up.

Plus anyone who's not a complete utter dumbass knows you DON'T FIRE ANY GUN-LIKE WEAPON UNTIL YOU HAVE SAFE CLEARANCE TO DO SO ON A MOVIE SET.

(sorry to yell, just had to get that off my chest)

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 07:27 PM (L2ZTs)

151
Scotland has banned the word "spooky" from Halloween. Because you know why.
Posted by: S'oothsay'er


https://youtu.be/1f3JhktiQ5E

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 22, 2021 07:27 PM (63Dwl)

152 Pug, Alec's already got tweets up sharing his "concern" and "regrets." I personally doubt he even wrote them.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 07:28 PM (L2ZTs)

153 Been a few articles on the movies firearms, many have said most are real, I know some are non firing mock ups.

Posted by: Skip at October 22, 2021 07:29 PM (2JoB8)

154 I don't buy the "set up". Who's going to rely on someone on set doing something so flagrantly asinine? And how would you "set it up" unless you were there, being the one loading the gun for each take?

My gut read from what little info is available is that it was a confluence of asinine negligence due to an inexperienced wildcatting crew, culminating in Baldwin's asshole joke "misfiring" (for lack of a better word).

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 22, 2021 07:30 PM (6FeV1)

155 I would also love if all the production companies Alec has lined up to help finance the film, suddenly pull out. "No money for you!!"

The entire enterprise goes kaput and Baldwin ends up with a huge black mark on his Hollyweird resume.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 07:30 PM (L2ZTs)

156
https://youtu.be/1f3JhktiQ5E
Posted by: Bertram Cabot


I knew what it was before I clicked.

Racist.

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 07:30 PM (aGUIs)

157 bear, that's a fair point. Once again conservatives are showing compassion for compassionless lefties.

No. I give no shits about Alec Baldwin.

But I get tired of the know nothings that love to come here and spout the same stupid shit. "Don't aim a gun, even if it's blanks, unless you want to kill it".

I guess that sounded good - to somebody that never served in the military. We went out and shot blanks at each other all day - in the 90's.

And they act like they've never seen a movie - or they have some kind of fucking magic Penn and Teller insight regarding camera angles. They are full of shit. Guns get aimed, and nobody dies, all the time in Hollywood.

Or show me the trick angles where John Wick ain't capping that dude at six inches while he holds his hair. And then moves to the other one. I'll wait, Steven Spielberg.

Posted by: Working for Peanuts at October 22, 2021 07:30 PM (0snk2)

158
I'm listening to a livestream and someone just said some wacky shit about ex gov cuomo. I don't know if it's true or fiction, but the claim is cuomo was driving up the virus numbers, etc.

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 07:32 PM (aGUIs)

159 I don't know how to link stuff without risking The Barrel, but Independent Sentinel has a recent Putin speech about what he sees going on in the west. Basically, we are just repeating everything the Bolsheviks tried, it's nothing new but will have same devastating effects. It's a speech any Republican would win the nation with.

Posted by: Russkilitlover at October 22, 2021 07:33 PM (nWxPx)

160 Sooth, as I wrote originally, Andy C these days is spending a lot of time home alone with his penis.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 07:33 PM (L2ZTs)

161 Pug, Alec's already got tweets up sharing his "concern" and "regrets." I personally doubt he even wrote them.
Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 07:28 PM (L2ZTs)

Oh yeah, he's got cadres of worms covering his pillowey ass. he's an abject fuck. not my point. My point is I am praying for the victims and their families. I really dislike the "fookers had it coming to them" mindset simply because of their chosen profession.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Rage-oholic at October 22, 2021 07:33 PM (x8Wzq)

162 I doubt we will ever really know what happened on the set, but we can be sure that the "early reports" coming out are not accurate.

Either he was being an ass and play shot at people, or he was acting and shot toward the camera as part of the performance.
(in the former, he should be up for manslaughter charges, in the latter his involvement as an actor is accidental)

Either it was important that the gun be real and shoot blanks, or they were being irresponsible and cut corners.
(This shifts the blame to director and producer and firearms expert, safety expert, etc.)

Regardless, I can see no justification for real rounds on a movie set. So maybe it was a "faulty" blank, in which case the person handling the blanks should be up for negligent homicide. It is not just an accident when a real round is mistaken for a blank. (and it seems clear it had to be a real round)

tbc. pixified

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at October 22, 2021 07:34 PM (LojwE)

163 Dog getting ready for bed took some serious people training.
Good find, ace.

Posted by: Clutch at October 22, 2021 07:34 PM (9UmRs)

164 #143 - so, i was right: setup.
Posted by: SFGoth at October 22, 2021 07:26 PM (KAi1n)

The setup theory sort of founders on the fact that the perpetrator of the alleged setup could not have known that Baldwin would pick up the gun, and aim and fire at the camera operator.

But it might be interesting to know which actor was scheduled to be shot at using that particular gun,

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 22, 2021 07:34 PM (P3gRi)

165 cont.

My bet is that they cut corners and had real rounds for use as props instead of inert dummy rounds. (closeups on a revolver where you can see the bullet). And Baldwin ended up with one of those rounds in his gun, while acting. That would be a major breakdown of all safety protocols as I understand them. In which case a lot of people should be up for negligent homicide charges but I doubt any ever will.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at October 22, 2021 07:35 PM (LojwE)

166 Pug, no I understand that.
I'll assume the dead cinematographer and wounded director aren't rabit lefties, until I see/hear otherwise.

I personally am angry specifically at Baldwin, who's shown himself time and time again to be a selfish, childish, irresponsible, screaming ass.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 07:35 PM (L2ZTs)

167 rabit? rabid lefties. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 07:35 PM (L2ZTs)

168 Sooth I am convinced they gyned up the numbers, both in fake reports and sending Covid into nursing homes.

Posted by: Skip at October 22, 2021 07:36 PM (2JoB8)

169

Tonight's Profundity:

We're at a point in this country when Jon Gruden can get in more trouble for certain words in emails than Alec Baldwin will for killing a woman.

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 07:37 PM (aGUIs)

170 I guess that sounded good - to somebody that never served in the military. We went out and shot blanks at each other all day - in the 90's.


Yeah, with BFAs. Which makes a bit of difference.

Posted by: Bert G, On the Road at October 22, 2021 07:38 PM (D9vZ+)

171 Paul Joseph Watson epic rant about the latest Wuflu nonsense:

https://youtu.be/MdSJOcjC0Do

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at October 22, 2021 07:38 PM (5HBd1)

172 169 Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 07:37 PM (aGUIs)

"Arek Borwin was handed a hot gun, Chucky chose!"

//Trigglypuff

Posted by: sven at October 22, 2021 07:38 PM (Lzpvj)

173 I personally am angry specifically at Baldwin, who's shown himself time and time again to be a selfish, childish, irresponsible, screaming ass.
Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 07:35 PM (L2ZTs)

Oh yeah. he kind of epitomizes the bloated ego that comes from being a celebrity with a stumpy body holding up a comically large head. he's a fuckstick. And killing somebody "just kidding, you guys...what?" only adds to that bloated ego.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Rage-oholic at October 22, 2021 07:39 PM (x8Wzq)

174 ...an inexperienced wildcatting crew, culminating in Baldwin's asshole joke "misfiring" (for lack of a better word).
Posted by: Warai-otoko


That scab crew did not go out and buy the props in a couple hours. They had live rounds on a movie set. This was (most likely) a problem long before the walkout.

And we do not know - maybe Baldwin was supposed to shoot toward the camera as part of his acting. (or maybe he was playing.)

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at October 22, 2021 07:39 PM (LojwE)

175 "Third prize is, I shoot you."

Posted by: Alec Baldwin at October 22, 2021 07:39 PM (guGkK)

176 170 Posted by: Bert G, On the Road at October 22, 2021 07:38 PM (D9vZ+)

The Ma Deuce's "blank adapter" doesn't stop the jet.

We don't kill any people at the training centers most rotations.

Posted by: sven at October 22, 2021 07:39 PM (Lzpvj)

177 Posted by: Working for Peanuts at October 22, 2021 07:30 PM (0snk2)

Man, I got no idea who you are, but you're the one coming off as a "know nothing", especially with your "I was in the Army, so i know shit, maaaaan" act.

Blanks are crafted for all kinds of purposes. If an actor is using them against another actor at close range, they'll be built wayyyyy different than one designed to be fired at nothing in particular and look boomy and fantastic on camera. And fucking *obviously* the shit they use in Miles gear or whatever the hell it's called it designed to be pretty much 100% non lethal. I'm just a worthless civilian and even *I* can figure that much out. And this is the second or third time i've seen you make this less than useful point today.

So go ahead and speculate away on shit, I'm all for wild assed speculation and do it myself on a frequent basis. Just ease off on the know-it-all-while-calling-everyone-else-a-know-it-all schtick. We're all just hanging out bullshitting, crack a beer and enjoy it!

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 22, 2021 07:40 PM (6FeV1)

178 Oh brother.

The superintendent of Loundoun schools has the exact same name as an ex-boss of mine.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 07:40 PM (L2ZTs)

179
Gina Carano was punished more for a tweet that insulted the Alt-Left than Alec Baldwin will be for killing a woman.

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 07:40 PM (aGUIs)

180 That said, I am going to cull my DVD collection of anything that Murderer Baldwin was in. I think that might be a small list, actually.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Rage-oholic at October 22, 2021 07:41 PM (x8Wzq)

181
Not for one second do I believe Alec Baldwin's conscience will be bothered by what he did.

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 07:41 PM (aGUIs)

182 That scab crew did not go out and buy the props in a couple hours. They had live rounds on a movie set. This was (most likely) a problem long before the walkout.

And we do not know - maybe Baldwin was supposed to shoot toward the camera as part of his acting. (or maybe he was playing.)
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at October 22, 2021 07:39 PM (LojwE)

Is it established that it was an actual live round? If so, I missed it, but if that's true then yeah.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 22, 2021 07:41 PM (6FeV1)

183 @NoahPollak 17m

Breaking: In the wake of yesterday's @FreeBeacon report, National School Board Association announces "we regret and apologize for the letter" to Biden admin characterizing concerned parents as potentially domestic terrorists

https://tinyurl.com/ygntp5tb

Posted by: Tami at October 22, 2021 07:41 PM (cF8AT)

184 Listening to Ghost, Prequelle. Love it. So creepy, and melodic.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Rage-oholic at October 22, 2021 07:42 PM (x8Wzq)

185 Pug and Sooth, yup and yup.
Thankfully I think the only indispensable Baldwin flick is Glen Garry Glen Ross.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 07:42 PM (L2ZTs)

186 Cowboy Bebop OP, side by side viewing of the Netflix live action versus the original anime

https://youtu.be/-8m8xC8Gswo

Most vicious comment seen so far and it has been repeated, the Netflix OP seems more cartooney

Talk about a sick burn. Plus the Netflix OP shows live action versions of stuff that happens in the anime which gives me the very very bad feeling that all they are doing is redoing what has already been done.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2021 07:42 PM (WbpTV)

187 The Ma Deuce's "blank adapter" doesn't stop the jet.

We don't kill any people at the training centers most rotations.
Posted by: sven at October 22, 2021 07:39 PM


We also didn't fire them at a human target within 25 meters. Or at least, I never did.

Posted by: Bert G, On the Road at October 22, 2021 07:42 PM (D9vZ+)

188 Breaking: In the wake of yesterday's @FreeBeacon report, National School Board Association announces "we regret and apologize for the letter" to Biden admin characterizing concerned parents as potentially domestic terrorists

https://tinyurl.com/ygntp5tb
Posted by: Tami at October 22, 2021 07:41 PM (cF8AT)



Mistakes were made. Additional training has been implemented.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 22, 2021 07:42 PM (guGkK)

189 Wow. Trying to order pick up from Sams is a chore. Half the stuff has to be delivered. free.

Posted by: Infidel at October 22, 2021 07:42 PM (QC3yT)

190 From the last thread, there was some chatter regarding Chynah pet food (specifically dog food). As far as I can tell, the WalMart house branded cat food ("Special Kitty") is one of the few items sold at Wally World that is *not* made in Chynah.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at October 22, 2021 07:43 PM (DTX3h)

191 183 Posted by: Tami at October 22, 2021 07:41 PM (cF8AT)

Right just like they regret Garland saving his kid's meal ticket....

I think McAuliffe is getting hammered.

Posted by: sven at October 22, 2021 07:43 PM (Lzpvj)

192 Oh brother.

The superintendent of Loundoun schools has the exact same name as an ex-boss of mine.
Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 07:40 PM (L2ZTs)

Lundberg. hate that fooker.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Rage-oholic at October 22, 2021 07:43 PM (x8Wzq)

193 183 sorry they got caught

Posted by: vmom - link to Red's fundraiser at October 22, 2021 07:43 PM (YZG/i)

194 It is possible that Baldwin did it by accident on the job, I suppose. Shouldn't rush to judgment, for sure.

It's just *so* believable that this crazy moron would be running waving a gun around at a film crew.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 22, 2021 07:43 PM (/KPLX)

195 Pug, LOL. No, another German last name. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 07:44 PM (L2ZTs)

196 187 Posted by: Bert G, On the Road at October 22, 2021 07:42 PM (D9vZ+)

It is technically an ExRo you are supposed to utter "close quarter kill"....

I have seen Opfor open up at 4 feet with a Ma Deuce they captured on a turret in the heat of the moment.

Shit happens.

Posted by: sven at October 22, 2021 07:44 PM (Lzpvj)

197 Is it established that it was an actual live round? If so, I missed it, but if that's true then yeah.
Posted by: Warai-otoko

No, that is supposition on my part. I just can't imagine a "blank" or "faulty blank" killing one and injuring a second. I mean, if your blanks are that lethal why bother calling them blanks?

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at October 22, 2021 07:44 PM (LojwE)

198 Breaking: In the wake of yesterday's @FreeBeacon report, National School Board Association announces "we regret and apologize for the letter" to Biden admin characterizing concerned parents as potentially domestic terrorists

https://tinyurl.com/ygntp5tb
Posted by: Tami at October 22, 2021 07:41 PM (cF8AT)


Heh. A "formal review" will convene and "specific improvements" will be made.

Did I call it, or what?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 22, 2021 07:44 PM (guGkK)

199 I guess smearing worried parents as terrorists must have really backfired on the Dems.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 22, 2021 07:45 PM (guGkK)

200 Pug, LOL. No, another German last name. :-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 07:44 PM (L2ZTs)

Oh. Goebbels. Got it.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Rage-oholic at October 22, 2021 07:45 PM (x8Wzq)

201 Watching Ghost Ship but can't stay up for it

Posted by: Skip at October 22, 2021 07:46 PM (2JoB8)

202
No, that is supposition on my part. I just can't imagine a "blank" or "faulty blank" killing one and injuring a second. I mean, if your blanks are that lethal why bother calling them blanks?
Posted by: Gentlemen, this


there have been more that a handful of guys whackd with blanks in hwood

Posted by: confederatefifth at October 22, 2021 07:46 PM (K3ZCc)

203 Posted by: sven at October 22, 2021 07:44 PM


I imagine there was some "corrective training" administered for that one.

Posted by: Bert G, On the Road at October 22, 2021 07:47 PM (D9vZ+)

204 No worries for the MSM about Baldwin Biden et al though.

I'm sure they're combing the nation for the next great "missing cute vlogging white girl" story to mesmerize us all with.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 07:47 PM (L2ZTs)

205 197 Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at October 22, 2021 07:44 PM (LojwE)

A blank can kill up to five feet away by simple chemical force of the blast material...

add in the potential of a barrel obstruction or lead fouling and the possibilities are endless.

He is a stupid, retarded, ineducable asshole....

not a good set of character traits when dealing with lethal force.

Posted by: sven at October 22, 2021 07:47 PM (Lzpvj)

206 185 Hunt for Red October.

Posted by: Bete at October 22, 2021 07:47 PM (Ojki1)

207 From the last thread, there was some chatter regarding Chynah pet food (specifically dog food). As far as I can tell, the WalMart house branded cat food ("Special Kitty") is one of the few items sold at Wally World that is *not* made in Chynah.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at October 22, 2021 07:43 PM (DTX3h)

That's likely from a previous incident of poison cat food from China a few years ago.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 22, 2021 07:47 PM (eoQWY)

208 199 I guess smearing worried parents as terrorists must have really backfired on the Dems.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 22, 2021 07:45 PM (guGkK)

One man's worried parent is another man's freedom fighter.

Or something.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 22, 2021 07:47 PM (6FeV1)

209 Even with a BFA close enough and in the face, well things can get really "^$@#$@!!!! I can't see! Medic! Mommy!"

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2021 07:47 PM (WbpTV)

210 Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 22, 2021 07:40 PM (6FeV1)

Really ... "Alec aimed a prop at a man, never aim a gun at anyone". That look like the kind of shit you've ever seen in a movie ?

Of course, and who was this that went on and on this morning about it, Keanu Reeves is so damn good that he can handle cycling a blank filled gun so fucking well that there is no risk. Because he trains. Apparently the man is a gun ninja. Should get out of Hollywood and go special operator.

Point being - all this shit shouted from the usual suspects - "Never point a gun, even with blanks, unless you want to kill it" is bullshit. It was bullshit in the Army. It's bullshit in Hollywood. We won't have movies if "never point a gun, even with blanks" becomes the standard.

Alec Baldwin is an asshole. And much of the "conventional wisdom" being spouted here is just stupid.

Posted by: Working for Peanuts at October 22, 2021 07:47 PM (0snk2)

211 Heh. A "formal review" will convene and "specific improvements" will be made.

Did I call it, or what?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 22, 2021 07:44 PM (guGkK)

In the 2nd paragraph, notice who they list first and last as regards school safety.

Posted by: Tami at October 22, 2021 07:47 PM (cF8AT)

212
A Blank should be in no way have the potential to be a projectile.

Cap guns seem to manage this trick with never an issue.

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 07:47 PM (aGUIs)

213 203 Posted by: Bert G, On the Road at October 22, 2021 07:47 PM (D9vZ+)

That is what AARs are for....

The blackhats do amazing things.

Posted by: sven at October 22, 2021 07:47 PM (Lzpvj)

214 @NoahPollak 2m

AG Garland has to testify before Senate Judiciary Cmte next week. This is going to make it all the more excruciating -- NSBA just hung him out to dry.

Posted by: Tami at October 22, 2021 07:48 PM (cF8AT)

215 I wonder how many drones and glowies are scoping certain parts of Texas right now.

*waves to the Horde in TX*

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Rage-oholic at October 22, 2021 07:48 PM (x8Wzq)

216
A Blank should be in no way have the potential to be a projectile.

Cap guns seem to manage this trick with never an issue.
Posted by: S'oothsay'er



Hey, that's a clever pun!
Shakespearian, if I do say so myself.

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 07:48 PM (aGUIs)

217 Is it established that it was an actual live round? If so, I missed it, but if that's true then yeah.
Posted by: Warai-otoko

No, that is supposition on my part. I just can't imagine a "blank" or "faulty blank" killing one and injuring a second. I mean, if your blanks are that lethal why bother calling them blanks?
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at October 22, 2021 07:44 PM (LojwE)

Blanks push out the wrapping with great force along with unburnt bits. Air resistance slows them down, but at close range they have been lethal.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 22, 2021 07:49 PM (eoQWY)

218 209 Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2021 07:47 PM (WbpTV)

The real fun is when they find hot ammo in the training area...

then you get tac freeze, but every once in awhile you get to see blank adapters that have "done their job"

Posted by: sven at October 22, 2021 07:49 PM (Lzpvj)

219 The whole Alec Baldwin situation has been simmering all day at AOS. There are several things to remember, right now, IATSE is point fingers at Baldwin the producer as hiring scab labor--they are the ones that said a live round was fired. If you read the Daily Beast story, they quoted a movie consultant that said a live round in movie land could have referred to a blank cartridge.

There possibly could have been a bore obstruction of something inside the bore that was propelled at high speed by the blank cartridge, it could have been a live round with a sure enough bullet, it could have been at very close range where the wad that is in a blank cartridge was propelled at a high enough speed to cause death. A lesser theory is that the cartridge fragmented, etc.

Baldwin's actions immediately prior to the shooting also are at issue--was it a planned shot in the script or him being a jackass showoff. Also consider that Baldwin sure enough has a crisis publicity team working for him along with a standard publicist and the classic thing that publicist do is work the phone and spread uncertainty and doubt. Civil liability is probably a given here, criminal depends on facts.

Posted by: whig at October 22, 2021 07:49 PM (9hXN1)

220 AAR - someone just spelunked your rectum with an ice pick and did not use an anesthetic.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2021 07:50 PM (WbpTV)

221 Why aren't the gun control nuts hyperventilating about Hollywood? You'd think that any gun control measures or restrictions that anti-A2 nuts would want to implement on a national level would be modeled and fine-tuned on a smaller scale in a place like, say, Tinseltown?

Posted by: Dr. Bone at October 22, 2021 07:50 PM (5l6FZ)

222 Actually I am hard pressed to recall a movie that Arec Barwin is in that I have in my collection. Maybe culling the catalog will be easier than I thought.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Rage-oholic at October 22, 2021 07:50 PM (x8Wzq)

223 So, if you have a cap & ball revolver, and you want to shoot blanks for theatrical purposes, how do you go about it? Wax bullets, and a greatly-reduced powder charge?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 22, 2021 07:50 PM (P3gRi)

224 BTW, most of the blanks used in the military for semi autos require blank adaptors that divert hot gases enough for the action to cycle and to prevent bore obstructions and wadding from exiting the bore at high speed to cause injury.

Posted by: whig at October 22, 2021 07:51 PM (9hXN1)

225 219 Posted by: whig at October 22, 2021 07:49 PM (9hXN1)

My concern for all involved cannot be measured without sub-atomic particle level accuracy.

Posted by: sven at October 22, 2021 07:51 PM (Lzpvj)

226 Tami I wish as well but it won't amount to anything. They never seem to ask a question that counts, or the person up on the stage doesn't answer and no one makes them.

Posted by: Skip at October 22, 2021 07:51 PM (2JoB8)

227 whig, yup, thanks.

I'd love to see IATSE by itself make a lot of very expensive trouble for Baldwin. I think they could even get him bounced from his own unions, for hiring non-union labor.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 07:51 PM (L2ZTs)

228 That scab crew did not go out and buy the props in a couple hours. They had live rounds on a movie set. This was (most likely) a problem long before the walkout.

And we do not know - maybe Baldwin was supposed to shoot toward the camera as part of his acting. (or maybe he was playing.)
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at October 22, 2021 07:39 PM (LojwE)

Is it established that it was an actual live round? If so, I missed it, but if that's true then yeah.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 22, 2021 07:41 PM (6FeV1)

I heard a quote sourced from the set that Baldwin's last utterance before the accident was to the director saying "I ought to shoot the both of you..."

Posted by: Oldcat at October 22, 2021 07:52 PM (eoQWY)

229 I can't watch the stray dog umbrella video unless the dog is no longer a stray at the end of it. Does the little girl get to take the dog home?

Posted by: JuJuBee at October 22, 2021 07:52 PM (mNhhD)

230 223 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 22, 2021 07:50 PM (P3gRi)

Depends, you mix in enough sawdust or contact paper and simply use a cap....

I'd still be nervous as hell because up to about seven feet they were known to catch people on fire.

Posted by: sven at October 22, 2021 07:52 PM (Lzpvj)

231
Too many men forget they are the head of the family. Mothers raise children, fathers define them.
Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at October 22, 2021 07:16 PM (QEPWt)

_________

"I'm in charge of this house! Right, dear?"

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 22, 2021 07:52 PM (/U27+)

232 Oh brother.

The superintendent of Loundoun schools has the exact same name as an ex-boss of mine.
Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 07:40 PM (L2ZTs)


You go public with that and its going on your permanent record.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 22, 2021 07:52 PM (axyOa)

233 Read the headlines and you'll see: it really is the guns that kill people. How it knew it was live and to "discharge" just then may forever be a mystery.

Posted by: Alec Baldwin at October 22, 2021 07:53 PM (UMXod)

234 maybe there was some dumbass that got angry or was having fun and decided to aim his gun at the director and her team

Posted by: confederatefifth at October 22, 2021 07:53 PM (K3ZCc)

235 @michaelmalice
Alec Baldwin's film career was mostly peaceful

Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 22, 2021 07:53 PM (ybIRR)

236 223 AOP, my personal guess is a charge plus a greased wad on top of the charge to keep from chainfiring. Even a wax bullet can penetrate and cause injury. Did some .38 Special loads using a primer only one time and speer still sells rubber bullets with reusable plastic cases that use primers only.

Best term for wax or rubber projectiles is less lethal.

Posted by: whig at October 22, 2021 07:54 PM (9hXN1)

237 A Blank should be in no way have the potential to be a projectile.

Cap guns seem to manage this trick with never an issue.
Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 07:47 PM (aGUIs)

Blanks have real propellant in them. Some of that *always* projects crap out the front. Its just physics. Yes it isn't a lead bullet meant to travel far, but it is never going to be zero danger.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 22, 2021 07:54 PM (eoQWY)

238 Ziegler?

Guy who reported the day of the attempted sexual assault that it happened to the rest of the board?

Yeah, that is one school board that needs to be railroaded out of town as a lesson.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2021 07:54 PM (WbpTV)

239 3-D printing, casting and modern milling - besides neutering actual weapons - there is no reason for a real weapon to be on the set.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 22, 2021 07:54 PM (cvH3m)

240 Why aren't the gun control nuts hyperventilating about Hollywood?

The same way the SouthEast, where I live, isn't too worried about full contact football, chickens that ain't free range, or Sunday liquor after noon.

Posted by: Working for Peanuts at October 22, 2021 07:54 PM (0snk2)

241 and a greatly-reduced powder charge?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 22, 2021 07:50 PM (P3gRi)

Maybe a special powder that makes a lot of sound and fury, but otherwise signifies nothing?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 22, 2021 07:55 PM (6FeV1)

242 Maybe a special powder that makes a lot of sound and fury, but otherwise signifies nothing?

"Are you talking cocaine?" - Hunter Biden

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2021 07:55 PM (WbpTV)

243 293 Posted by: Braenyard at October 22, 2021 07:54 PM (cvH3m)

Eh....

Look I want the guy wrung out as much as anyone, but the Sopranos had gun gaffing that was so bad kids with legos do better....

you need some level of immersion.

Posted by: sven at October 22, 2021 07:55 PM (Lzpvj)

244 225 sven, at least Baldwin is fulfilling the role of if you cannot be a good example for others then be a horrible one so that others may learn from your misfortune.

Who knows, it might save someone else's life if people learn that pointing firearms at people violates the rules for firearm safety.

Posted by: whig at October 22, 2021 07:56 PM (9hXN1)

245 AOP, not a cap/ball expert, but I'd think just powder and wad, no projectile, would get it done. Report, smoke, appearance of the gun firing.

Posted by: rhomboid (OTzUX) at October 22, 2021 07:56 PM (OTzUX)

246 Is it established that it was an actual live round? If so, I missed it, but if that's true then yeah.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 22, 2021 07:41 PM (6FeV1)

If there was some flunky that could be blamed of lower rank than Baldwin, you can bet your last dollar he would be on the rack and we would know exactly who he or she was.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 22, 2021 07:56 PM (eoQWY)

247 Brandon Lee would still be alive today except for a 'prop' gun.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2021 07:57 PM (WbpTV)

248 >>>maybe there was some dumbass that got angry or was having fun and decided to aim his gun at the director and her team

>Never give a Rage Monkey a loaded firearm.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at October 22, 2021 07:57 PM (5l6FZ)

249 rofl. Received a video text from some drunk grandma. Vid of a normal outdoor party place. Looks like fun. I texted back who it this? Glad it looks normal. Get back 5 horribly spelled texts that it's Grandma and she coming to see us even tho it winter with a last name I don't know. My grandmas are long gone. I texted back my first name, Nothing. I may text her back a happy note.

Posted by: Infidel at October 22, 2021 07:57 PM (QC3yT)

250 197 No, that is supposition on my part. I just can't imagine a "blank" or "faulty blank" killing one and injuring a second. I mean, if your blanks are that lethal why bother calling them blanks?

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at October 22, 2021 07:44 PM (LojwE)


There is simply not enough information available about this incident to judge what happened right now. If the distance were short enough, then a blank in and of itself can absolutely be fatal. However, you can look up some details about how Brandon Lee was killed on the set of The Crow in the mean time.

Summary: 1) arms master was away from the set at the time, 2) the bullet from in-house created "dummy round" (i.e., an off-the-shelf cartridge with powder removed) made it into the barrel of a revolver between scenes, 3) a blank was loaded and fired in a subsequent scene propelling the bullet through the barrel and into Brandon.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at October 22, 2021 07:57 PM (DTX3h)

251 I heard a quote sourced from the set that Baldwin's last utterance before the accident was to the director saying "I ought to shoot the both of you..."
Posted by: Oldcat at October 22, 2021 07:52 PM (eoQWY)

Man, it seems like the greatest game of Whisper Down The Line every played today... every time I hear a report or a rumor about what Baldwin said, it's something different.

The only version I haven't heard yet it "It's not loaded, see?"

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 22, 2021 07:58 PM (6FeV1)

252 244 Posted by: whig at October 22, 2021 07:56 PM (9hXN1)

Eh to be fair had he capped an actor it would be fair game....you get paid for the risk.

I get shot at for a living after a fashion....I have explained to my family that if the day ever comes they get a call saying I will not make dinner forever to not sweat it-I died surrounded by people I love doing things I love.

Posted by: sven at October 22, 2021 07:58 PM (Lzpvj)

253 Anna: that's the name. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 07:58 PM (L2ZTs)

254 Depends, you mix in enough sawdust or contact paper and simply use a cap....

I'd still be nervous as hell because up to about seven feet they were known to catch people on fire.
Posted by: sven at October 22, 2021 07:52 PM (Lzpvj)

Thanks. What I was leading up to, is that if the gun used in the shooting was cap & ball, there is no store-bought "blank" available to use, so whoever prepped the guns may have been winging it.

Baldwin is still guilty of criminal negligence or depraved indifference, if it is true that he aimed abd fired at the camera operator in a fit of pique. Hang him.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 22, 2021 07:58 PM (P3gRi)

255
Alec should be on his knees praying his 2nd victim doesn't die, too.

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 07:58 PM (aGUIs)

256 My best good friend's uncle was a crack shot, and he would ride in parades in my home town, and would toss up and shoot Christmas ornaments from atop his horse. Blanks. The gas emission would shatter the ornament. Kind of a trick. But, that said, he and said friend's dad were very good shooters. Old cowboys. And they had so many rifles and handguns.

Wyoming folk are the best folk.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Rage-oholic at October 22, 2021 07:59 PM (x8Wzq)

257 pointing firearms at people violates the rules for firearm safety.
Posted by: whig at October 22, 2021 07:56 PM (9hXN1)

I have it on good authority that it is perfectly safe, actually.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 22, 2021 07:59 PM (6FeV1)

258 in fairness, when his wife handed him the gun she told him it was s cucumber

Posted by: confederatefifth at October 22, 2021 08:00 PM (K3ZCc)

259 Sooth: the director who was wounded is already out of the hospital.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 08:00 PM (L2ZTs)

260 Did the union sabotage the scabs or is that just a movie plot?

Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at October 22, 2021 08:00 PM (QEPWt)

261 AOP I made some for my Brown Bess just using paper wading, tear open paper, dump powder down barrel and ball up paper after it.

Posted by: Skip at October 22, 2021 08:00 PM (2JoB8)

262 Baldwin is still guilty of criminal negligence or depraved indifference, if it is true that he aimed abd fired at the camera operator in a fit of pique. Hang him.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 22, 2021 07:58 PM (P3gRi)

Fit of pique or no, if you point a gun and it fires, you are the one responsible. End of story.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 22, 2021 08:00 PM (eoQWY)

263 Infidel, LOL

Posted by: April -- dash my lace wigs! at October 22, 2021 08:01 PM (OX9vb)

264 Alec should be on his knees praying his 2nd victim doesn't die, too.
Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 07:58 PM (aGUIs)

One report said they're out already. Another said they're still in. A third report said the second victim was actually an anteater named Francis, and is currently in critical condition at the Auckland Nature Preserve in New Zealand.

A fourth said the anteater's name is actually Francine and we should all be ashamed of deadnaming xir.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 22, 2021 08:01 PM (6FeV1)

265 255 S'oothsay'er
From the Daily Beast, the director was treated and released from a hospital for a shoulder injury. The cinematographer was shot in the stomach and died.

Posted by: whig at October 22, 2021 08:01 PM (9hXN1)

266 Whew. Thank Beelzebub for Arec Bardwin.

Posted by: Joe Brian Laundry at October 22, 2021 08:02 PM (Xrfse)

267 Well, they did it. A Medicare supplement commercial more annoying than Joe Namath and J.J. Walker. They have this old bat named Martha, wearing novelty store glasses who is, no doubt, the model of Karen's worldwide. They even make the screen look like Grandpa's Muntz.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 22, 2021 08:02 PM (C1Lsn)

268 Infidel, text back:

"Oh goody, I know just how to make you comfy for a long long time, plus I could use an extra stream of SocSec checks" ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 08:02 PM (L2ZTs)

269 254 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 22, 2021 07:58 PM (P3gRi)

Regardless as producer he is responsible and likely criminally in a just world.

I have not seen the evidence, but unless he was the actor and it was an actual shoot there is no circumstance that the trigger should have been pulled-period.

The way cinematography works the camera person and director could easily have been in the line of fire. The camera person dying leads me to think there had to have been some residue or God help me a round caught in the chamber propelled enough to kill her.

He is a loathsome human that will go to bed tonight convinced he is a more moral person that the 75+ million who voted for Trump.

Posted by: sven at October 22, 2021 08:02 PM (Lzpvj)

270 Man, it seems like the greatest game of Whisper Down The Line every played today... every time I hear a report or a rumor about what Baldwin said, it's something different.

The only version I haven't heard yet it "It's not loaded, see?"
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 22, 2021 07:58 PM (6FeV1)

Just following the rules Alec Baldwin and his ilk use on me and mine. And I'm not even bending any truths.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 22, 2021 08:02 PM (eoQWY)

271 For anyone interested here are some old articles on firearms safety in making movies (or as I am calling it why Alec Baldwin is guilty of murder in the form of negligent homicide)...

"NEVER, under any circumstance aim or shoot toward the head and face of another person. The weapon should ALWAYS be "cheated" or deflected away from the actor"
https://t.co/CN9t2Z6QWu?amp=1

"This is why we use distances and angles to keep actors safe....Blanks should always be aimed slightly to the side of another actor...There is usually no reason why we need the actor who's being "shot" to be in the same frame at the same time"https://t.co/4UbPQ3mdVi?amp=1

"Obviously, blanks are still dangerous within like, 20 feet." If that's true, then how is any war movie filmed without filling graveyards with the corpses of extras? Well, first off, "A gun is never pointed at an actor on a set, even if they're 50 feet away. It's always off angle, just as an extra safety precaution. It may look on camera...like actors are firing at one another, but they never are. At least, not when we're there."
https://t.co/KaqWRNqLEq?amp=1

Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at October 22, 2021 08:03 PM (MFZ8i)

272 Whew. Thank Beelzebub for Arec Bardwin.

Amen.

Posted by: The Puddin' Junta at October 22, 2021 08:03 PM (Xrfse)

273 Fit of pique or no, if you point a gun and it fires, you are the one responsible. End of story.
Posted by: Oldcat at October 22, 2021 08:00 PM (eoQWY)

Precisely.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 22, 2021 08:03 PM (P3gRi)

274
The director is out of the woods?
That's good.

But he's still a Gun Shot Victim, courtesy of one Alec Baldwin.

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 08:03 PM (aGUIs)

275 pointing firearms at people violates the rules for firearm safety.

Posted by: whig at October 22, 2021 07:56 PM (9hXN1)


Get a ticket. Go to Hollywood. Stop 'em. Stop Dirty Harry, Death Wish, John Wick. Stop 'em all.

Now go stop the military. Then stop war re-enactors.

If it only saves one life.

Posted by: Working for Peanuts at October 22, 2021 08:03 PM (0snk2)

276 One report said they're out already. Another said they're still in. A third report said the second victim was actually an anteater named Francis, and is currently in critical condition at the Auckland Nature Preserve in New Zealand.

A fourth said the anteater's name is actually Francine and we should all be ashamed of deadnaming xir.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 22, 2021 08:01 PM (6FeV1)

Having two anteaters loose on the set without handlers is a violation of animal handling rules. Charge Baldwin for that too.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 22, 2021 08:04 PM (eoQWY)

277 sven, yup.

I'd love to introduce Alec to the gator that ate dirty Laundrie...

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 08:04 PM (L2ZTs)

278 As wrote in thread earlier, if this was a high profile conservative the Left would be howling for blood.

Posted by: Skip at October 22, 2021 08:04 PM (2JoB8)

279 271 Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at October 22, 2021 08:03 PM (MFZ8i)

Yup cheat off 2 degrees for the camera.

Posted by: sven at October 22, 2021 08:04 PM (Lzpvj)

280 Hadrian, it's a common joke and we all laugh, and no doubt my wife is the North Star of the place most of the times but the place of men in families is deadly serious for society and out country. Men are to be the head of the household, leadership matters and when men don't act as God intended, no good comes of it.

Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at October 22, 2021 08:04 PM (QEPWt)

281 What kind of paramecium is 0snk2?

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2021 08:05 PM (WbpTV)

282 follow-up tribute band for Badfinger

You wouldn't have fun watching an authentic Badfinger tribute band. The music would be good, but then they would get stiffed for the pay and half of them would hang themselves.
Unluckiest band of all time. You start up with assistance from various Beatles, have two or three large hits early on, and end up like they did WITHOUT having any major behavior or drug problems.

Posted by: Azjaeger at October 22, 2021 08:05 PM (3/XaG)

283 Infidel, LOL
Posted by: April

Heh, fun. I texted her back glad she's having fun and sound like a good grandma. My grandmas are gone. She could come visit me. with a smily face with a heart. Probably last I hear from her. Hopefully, she doesn't feel too bad in the am.

Posted by: Infidel at October 22, 2021 08:05 PM (QC3yT)

284
Holy shit, the biden memes, today.

They made one of biden holding a pair of his skidmarked underwear in his clenched alzheimers fists.

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 08:05 PM (aGUIs)

285 257, Your good authority will get you imprisoned in 50 out of 50 states for assault with a deadly weapon (or some variant of it).

For civilians, brandishing, assault, etc. charges can create legal jeopardy if you do not know what your state laws are regarding deadly force (which all firearms are considered, even fake ones). Suggest reading up using Andrew Branca's Law of Self Defense and his new Principles of Self Defense, or Mas Ayoob's two books on the subject. Mitch Vilos also has a book out that is several years old on the subject but gets into state specific laws. Branca does so as well in supplements for particular states.

Posted by: whig at October 22, 2021 08:06 PM (9hXN1)

286 From the Daily Beast, the director was treated and released from a hospital for a shoulder injury. The cinematographer was shot in the stomach and died.
Posted by: whig at October 22, 2021 08:01 PM (9hXN1)

Here's some wild assed speculation:

He shot two people by mistake (i'll be charitable), not one. So BANG!, target acts like they actually got shot because they actually got got, then BANG AGAIN!

You know what really wrecks your reaction time and ability to process and respond to external stimuli? Alcohol.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 22, 2021 08:06 PM (6FeV1)

287 Now go stop the military. Then stop war re-enactors.

If it only saves one life.
Posted by: Working for Peanuts at October 22, 2021 08:03 PM (0snk2)

I have seen many war re-enactors. They are separated by 100 or more yards, and you can see paper wadding being projected out the barrell for about a third of that distance, plus a blast of fire for several feet on shots

Posted by: Oldcat at October 22, 2021 08:06 PM (eoQWY)

288 Andrew Branca over on Legal Insurrection tries to figure out what Alec Baldwin can be charged with.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2021 08:06 PM (WbpTV)

289 271 My point earlier, the victims were not actors, this might not have been a scene being filmed.

Posted by: Skip at October 22, 2021 08:07 PM (2JoB8)

290
btw, 28 days until biden turns 79.

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 08:07 PM (aGUIs)

291 281 What kind of paramecium is 0snk2?
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2021 08:05 PM (WbpTV)

it's Scogg.

He just can't quit us.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 22, 2021 08:07 PM (6FeV1)

292 Whew. Thank Beelzebub for Arec Bardwin.
Posted by: Joe Brian Laundry at October 22, 2021 08:02 PM (Xrfse)


Yeah. This is going to take the next 50,000 illegals being shipped across the country clean off the front page.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 22, 2021 08:07 PM (axyOa)

293
Andrew Branca over on Legal Insurrection tries to figure out what Alec Baldwin can be charged with.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2021 08:06 PM (WbpTV)

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Hope the word "depraved" figures prominently.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 22, 2021 08:08 PM (/U27+)

294 Peanuts or Scogg Dogg, that is why you take great extremes in care and due diligence in such activities in Horrywood. Baldwin as an individual and his production company did not do so. He will provide a useful lesson for Bozos that think pointing guns at people is fun an games.

Here endeth the lesson.

Posted by: whig at October 22, 2021 08:08 PM (9hXN1)

295 Law of Self Defense
@LawSelfDefense
More specifically, the key is inherently dangerous "instrument," not necessarily a "weapon." Like explosives, heavy equipment, dangerous pharmaceuticals, etc. Requires more than usual care to use safely, even innocent failure to meet that duty is at least negligence.
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Excellent @LawSelfDefense video

Points out a firearm is inherently a deadly weapon, and with this knowledge comes potential legal liability if use results in death

The question is between negligent (civil) vs reckless (criminal)
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5:44 PM · Oct 22, 2021

Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at October 22, 2021 08:08 PM (MFZ8i)

296 288 Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2021 08:06 PM (WbpTV)

He should be up for manslaughter.....I invoked AZ law earlier because NM calved off of AZ so unless they felt the need to alter it it is probably a "Manslaughter covers negligent homicide" state.

One of the few things I miss from my social media life was batman and robining these shoots with Branca....

Posted by: sven at October 22, 2021 08:08 PM (Lzpvj)

297 Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2

Oh, you must post that one.

Posted by: Infidel at October 22, 2021 08:09 PM (QC3yT)

298 Thanks for the tip Anna about Branca's take, think I will mosey on over there for a gander.

Posted by: whig at October 22, 2021 08:10 PM (9hXN1)

299 Law of Self Defense
@LawSelfDefense
It's a gun. Inherently dangerous instrument. #AlecBaldwin knows this. If he decides to take someone else's word that it's unloaded before he points it at a woman and shoots her dead, that's on him. Takes a fraction of a second to confirm the weapon won't kill an innocent person.
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Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at October 22, 2021 08:10 PM (MFZ8i)

300 Good grief can't we wait until more details come out about this Alec Baldwin shit? We don't know if it was an round with an actual bullet. We have enough gun people here to know that a blank still releases an amount of energy from the barrel. Has anyone speculated that maybe while shooting a scene the gun was fired in proximity of lighting equipment and maybe pressure from the blank blew apart the shade to a klieg light, piece of camera equipment? If "shrapnel" is an accurate description, maybe something hit this gal and the director that blew apart during the blast from the blank. Hopefully we'll get the truth and full story but until then were just guessing.

Posted by: JROD at October 22, 2021 08:10 PM (0jZnq)

301 Way past bed time
Everyone have good night

Posted by: Skip at October 22, 2021 08:10 PM (2JoB8)

302
I invoked AZ law earlier because NM calved off of AZ

________

TX would like a word with you.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 22, 2021 08:10 PM (/U27+)

303 Wonder if we will get another Spector type trial out of this?

Record producer shoots hostess and claims she shot herself.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2021 08:11 PM (WbpTV)

304 What kind of paramecium is 0snk2?
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2021 08:05 PM (WbpTV)

it's Scogg.

He just can't quit us.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 22, 2021 08:07 PM (6FeV1)

So funny, because our beloved Fenelon Spoke has a bead on this person. Like a laser beam. She's our pastor.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Rage-oholic at October 22, 2021 08:11 PM (x8Wzq)

305 Azjaeger, yup. Badfinger was screwed over so badly it's sickening.

I frankly have never understood why Paul McCartney, John Lennon or someone else couldn't have just gifted them some money to make up for how much they got ripped off, but figure there had to have been some reason. Maybe Ham and Evans didn't want the charity, or maybe they were afraid of becoming part of the endless legal drama.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 08:12 PM (L2ZTs)

306 Posted by: JROD at October 22, 2021 08:10 PM (0jZnq)

No, we can't. he killed a mother of a young child and injured someone else because of his carelessness.

Posted by: Infidel at October 22, 2021 08:12 PM (QC3yT)

307 Yeah. This is going to take the next 50,000 illegals being shipped across the country clean off the front page.

Shiny objects for the proles.

Posted by: The Puddin' Junta at October 22, 2021 08:12 PM (Xrfse)

308 That's not a Shepherd, it's a Malinois

Posted by: Blacksheep at October 22, 2021 08:12 PM (6mvRv)

309 Trump announces he is going to have cameo role in new movie "I shot the sheriff" directed by alec baldwin.

Posted by: carley at October 22, 2021 08:12 PM (UC6kK)

310 302 Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 22, 2021 08:10 PM (/U27+)

Yup...

There are three major beds of law in this country....

English Common law, Napoleonic Code, and Old Spanish.

Posted by: sven at October 22, 2021 08:13 PM (Lzpvj)

311 Here endeth the lesson.

Posted by: whig at October 22, 2021 08:08 PM (9hXN1)


Go watch John Wick - and tell me, as he cycles through multiple discharges at arms length in every shot - how this kind of shit can't happen in Hollywood. Reeves isn't "that" trained that he can inspect the chamber after every discharge.

If he was, we'd never see him again. He'd be the American James Bond.

You can't. So endeth the lesson that you're not near as smart as you think. But you regularly ignore shit you don't like to hear.

Posted by: Working for Peanuts at October 22, 2021 08:13 PM (0snk2)

312
If I excavate and the wall collapses and kills someone in the trench, guess who is responsible?

Me, the guy in the hoe.

Sure, it was an "accident." But it's my hole, my responsibility for what happens.

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 08:13 PM (aGUIs)

313 >>>Wonder if we will get another Spector type trial out of this?

>You gotta hand Phil props for moxie.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at October 22, 2021 08:14 PM (5l6FZ)

314
F. Joe needs an "Alec Baldwin Shoots Gabby Pertito" type of story to distract from his disastrous administration.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 22, 2021 08:15 PM (/U27+)

315 @JackPosobiec

BREAKING: Court records identify Alec Baldwin film armorer in charge of weapons as Hannah Gutierrez

Facebook page for Takes Gutz Productions has been taken down but some photos cached

https://tinyurl.com/yesbd4v5

Posted by: Tami at October 22, 2021 08:15 PM (cF8AT)

316 We don;t need Joey Bidet shooting another shotgun, he may wing Kamala

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2021 08:15 PM (WbpTV)

317 You gotta hand Phil props for moxie.
Posted by: Dr. Bone


Just don't hand Alec Baldwin props.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 22, 2021 08:15 PM (OCTRt)

318
whig, what does it tell us about the round/blank and the distance between the shooter and victims that it had enough energy to go through one person and into another person?

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 08:16 PM (aGUIs)

319 315 Posted by: Tami at October 22, 2021 08:15 PM (cF8AT)

Diversity is our strength.

Posted by: sven at October 22, 2021 08:17 PM (Lzpvj)

320 Scogg is the Joe Biden of Ric Flairs.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 22, 2021 08:17 PM (6FeV1)

321
I've watched enough Paul Herrell videos to learn a little about penetration. Well, not really.

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 08:17 PM (aGUIs)

322 JROD at October 22, 2021 08:10 PM (0jZnq)

No, we can't. he killed a mother of a young child and injured someone else because of his carelessness.
Posted by: Infidel at October 22, 2021 08:12 PM (QC3yT)

Seconded. You just don't do that. Even if it was "a joke."

I learned this young. All guns are loaded until you personally prove otherwise. And never point it at anyone unless you mean it. You have to mean it.

And keep your booger hook off the bang switch.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Rage-oholic at October 22, 2021 08:17 PM (x8Wzq)

323 316 We don't need Joey Bidet shooting another shotgun, he may wing Kamala
Posted by: Anna Puma

You make that sound like a bad thing.

Posted by: Gmac - WTF did you think was going to happen? at October 22, 2021 08:18 PM (qZdIZ)

324 whig, what does it tell us about the round/blank and the distance between the shooter and victims that it had enough energy to go through one person and into another person?

Posted by: S'oothsay'er


Sounds like a live round.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 22, 2021 08:18 PM (OCTRt)

325 Now go stop the military. Then stop war re-enactors.

If it only saves one life.

Posted by: Working for Peanuts at October 22, 2021 08:03 PM (0snk2)
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You realize that the people who say that the most think Ashli Babbit deserved to be shot to death for climbing through a Beijing window unarmed.

Posted by: Axeman at October 22, 2021 08:18 PM (OaZlZ)

326 I don't change my monicker and stand by my words.

You try to stir up trouble--that is what you do by your own admitted words and to do that you change your name but not the actions that get you banned time and again. Self reflection would be nice.

Posted by: whig at October 22, 2021 08:18 PM (9hXN1)

327 No blank goes through one person and strikes another.

Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at October 22, 2021 08:18 PM (QEPWt)

328 @306 Infidel-Oh FFS I'm not making excuses for the a-hole but how the f do you know if he was being careless? Maybe the gun wrangler f'ed up. Bottom line you and I do not know.

Posted by: JROD at October 22, 2021 08:19 PM (0jZnq)

329 We don;t need Joey Bidet shooting another shotgun, he may wing Kamala
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2021 08:15 PM (WbpTV)

As long as he doesn't lip her; that would cut into her earnings potential.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 22, 2021 08:19 PM (P3gRi)

330 Just went ahead and asked at a Hollyweird site:

1. What's the likelihood of production companies pulling their funds from 'Rust' now that Baldwin's set has been revealed as a complete and utter clusterfcuk?

2. What's the likehood that IATSE goes apeshit on Alec's posterior for hiring non-union labor, and gets him blackballed from SAG, the Producers' Guild *and* DGA?

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 08:19 PM (L2ZTs)

331
Sounds like a live round.
Posted by: rickb223


So not a "prop gun?"

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 08:20 PM (aGUIs)

332 327 Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at October 22, 2021 08:18 PM (QEPWt)

Eh depends on the range....if a say 9mm slug was in the bore and was pushed by a 3/4 charge it'd make 45 feet anyway and could go through a throat and land in a person leaving a superficial wound if they were seated on a camera dolly with the director over their shoulder.

Posted by: sven at October 22, 2021 08:20 PM (Lzpvj)

333
A bonafide prop gun cannot fire live rounds, yes or no?

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 08:21 PM (aGUIs)

334 Bet Weasel's being asked a ton about these 'prop guns' at tonight's TX MoMee, when he's not being grilled by the FBI glowie about how many guns he owns.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 08:21 PM (L2ZTs)

335 @322 Pug Mahon- So it is known that he was playing a joke? This is information from an investigation, right?

Posted by: JROD at October 22, 2021 08:21 PM (0jZnq)

336 That's journalism for you. The gun fired and killed somebody with a live round, but they keep printing "prop gun".

Posted by: Axeman at October 22, 2021 08:22 PM (OaZlZ)

337 Prop guns can fire live rounds, ask Brandon Lee.

But you'll need a Quija board.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2021 08:22 PM (WbpTV)

338 ... it could have been at very close range where the wad that is in a blank cartridge was propelled at a high enough speed to cause death.
whig
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It went through, in one side and out the other, the photographer's body and hit the director standing behind her.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 22, 2021 08:22 PM (cvH3m)

339 328 @306 Infidel-Oh FFS I'm not making excuses for the a-hole but how the f do you know if he was being careless? Maybe the gun wrangler f'ed up. Bottom line you and I do not know.
Posted by: JROD

Because that asshole has been in a ton of movies with guns. It's ultimately up to him to make sure he's not going to kill someone.

It's called PERSONAL RESPONSIBILTY.

Posted by: Infidel at October 22, 2021 08:22 PM (QC3yT)

340 333 Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 08:21 PM (aGUIs)

There are guns with barrel blanks that fire only squibs for flash....

the thing is depending on the shot is what you use.

As a matter of tradecraft I'd treat any device that uses a squib and any charge as a gun.

Posted by: sven at October 22, 2021 08:23 PM (Lzpvj)

341 Axeman, yup.
Unfortunately MSM will decide to zero in on making this yet another "guns are so unsafe, you can't even look at one without getting killed!!" story.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 08:23 PM (L2ZTs)

342 JROD

Go over to Legal Insurrection and read through Andrew Branca's musings on this subject.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2021 08:23 PM (WbpTV)

343 Sorry Sven, a fatal through and through to the abdomen and then a shoulder penetration isn't a blank round. Someone fucked up royally here.

Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at October 22, 2021 08:23 PM (QEPWt)

344 Infidel, yup.

I love all the "Hollywood journalists" already going out of their way to make excuses for Baldwin. Just admit it guys: 100% of your job is to lick celebrity dick. Period.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 08:24 PM (L2ZTs)

345 is a "prop gun" a prop that looks like a gun, or a gun being used as a stage prop? I suppose it could be either. I highly doubt you would accidentally switch out one for the other, but hell, maybe? If you were using a real gun for some scenes, and a fake gun for other scenes, and somebody mixed the two up?

Again, wild assed speculation.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 22, 2021 08:24 PM (6FeV1)

346 Maybe the gun wrangler f'ed up. Bottom line you and I do not know.
Posted by: JROD at October 22, 2021 08:19 PM (0jZnq)

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He pointed a firearm he had not cleared at someone and pulled the trigger. What else do you need to know?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 22, 2021 08:24 PM (kTF2Z)

347 prop gun cannot fire live rounds, yes or no?

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I could be wrong, but I think they use real ones with blanks, and the replicas are just for scenes where some actor is brandishing or shaking someone down.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 22, 2021 08:24 PM (/KPLX)

348 Maybe Ham and Evans didn't want the charity, or maybe they were afraid of becoming part of the endless legal drama.I

I don't know for sure, but I suspect they were goodnatured trusting sorts and expected they would get paid until they didn't. There is a book on them written recentish that I haven't read. Probably the sort who wouldn't think it was right to go to Beatles and ask for money. It seems as if the Beatles trusted them and I bet the Beatles had a real eye for grifters by that point and they wouldn't have been let in if they seemed like that.

Posted by: Azjaeger at October 22, 2021 08:24 PM (3/XaG)

349 A bonafide prop gun cannot fire live rounds, yes or no?

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 08:21 PM (aGUIs)

"Prop" does not implicitly or explicitly mean "fake". It just means a piece of "property" on the set that must be accounted for.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 22, 2021 08:24 PM (P3gRi)

350 A bonafide prop gun cannot fire live rounds, yes or no?

Posted by: S'oothsay'er


Yes.

Prop does not mean fake. Or nonfunctional.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 22, 2021 08:24 PM (OCTRt)

351 The answer is obvious - after being smartened up by all the wise, safe gun owners here.

Hollywood needs to shit-can guns. No more White Hat shooting the Black Hat.

At least, not at close range. Keanu Reeves needs to just retire. No more room for that shit. Also, probably Chuck Connors. Y'all see how he flips that gun around ? And it goes off !!! Fuck that noise.

Really - how can you safely kill Liberty Valence, if you can't point the gun at him ? Trick mirrors, maybe ?

Posted by: Working for Peanuts at October 22, 2021 08:25 PM (313+e)

352 qdpsteve

They ain't licking, they are deep-throating all the way to the ball sack.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2021 08:25 PM (WbpTV)

353 343 Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at October 22, 2021 08:23 PM (QEPWt)

I've been busy and not deep dove the matter as I usually would.

I got to spend a lovely day with Ms Olafson and the Lad...

Texas is not home, but it is next door.

Posted by: sven at October 22, 2021 08:25 PM (Lzpvj)

354 I refuse to believe a true live round would be within a mile of a movie set.
Did he just shoot once? If so, what kind of wad?

Posted by: MkY at October 22, 2021 08:25 PM (Foq6I)

355 Infidel-Oh FFS I'm not making excuses for the a-hole but how the f do you know if he was being careless? Maybe the gun wrangler f'ed up. Bottom line you and I do not know.
Posted by: JROD


no, but he was pointing at director not another actor, so it was not a scene

Posted by: runner at October 22, 2021 08:25 PM (V13WU)

356 Grampa, can we have a prop gun?

Posted by: Arkansas Biden Baby at October 22, 2021 08:25 PM (Xrfse)

357 324 Soothsayer, possible something was left in the bore, distance also might suggest something. It could have been a live cartridge.
Movies often use squib charges to simulation where the bullets hit but that can up the budget. Actual live rounds have been used to hit objects (not people) such as when a building where the good guy is holed up is shot up (with no one in there for example). Then there are dummy rounds with no primer and powder but using a real bullet that are used for realism when loading (blanks are obvious). As someone reported above, it is possible that a bullet separated from a dummy round through rough handling (you crimp them or solder them in place in the dummy cartridge normally). Then put a blank in, the bullet is discharged from the muzzle.
There is a type of storage rod that uses the bore to hold the firearm, that could have separated from it and been left in the bore, etc.
At point blank range, a blank wad in the blank cartridge (to keep the powder in) can leave the barrel with enough force to penetrate a bit which could under the right circumstances cause death. In addition, at point blank range, hot gases blowtorch flesh and bone from a wound.

Posted by: whig at October 22, 2021 08:25 PM (9hXN1)

358 I just wonder if journalists are capable of creating competent cognitive models of a situation.

Posted by: Axeman at October 22, 2021 08:25 PM (OaZlZ)

359 We should have built a wall to keep Baldwins out. Not the pianos, those are ok.

Posted by: klaftern at October 22, 2021 08:26 PM (taPSh)

360 336 That's journalism for you. The gun fired and killed somebody with a live round, but they keep printing "prop gun".
Posted by: Axeman at October 22, 2021 08:22 PM (OaZlZ)

Assault Weapon: Any firearm being held by anyone other than Alec Baldwin

Prop Gun: Any firearm being held by Alec Baldwin

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 22, 2021 08:26 PM (6FeV1)

361 330 1 Companies may not move until they are sure doing so won't leave them potentially liable in a civil suit and be hohownnest as proof of wrong doing. After that? No way this movie gets a release, though it may get finished for contractual reasons.

2 Hollywood has let Baldwin slide for years. He's a made man, and nothing short of him working to get Trump or DeSantis elected in 24 will change that. He may just have to step of the limelight for a year or two.

Posted by: Bete at October 22, 2021 08:26 PM (Ojki1)

362 Anna, yes!!!
They're such suck-ups it's utterly disgusting.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 08:26 PM (L2ZTs)

363 If prop guns weren't real guns, they wouldn't need trained armorers and gun wranglers.

Anyone from the prop department could deal with them.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 22, 2021 08:26 PM (OCTRt)

364 klaftern, no the pianos too. They kill when they fall on someone!

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 08:27 PM (L2ZTs)

365 For those of you that want to see blank firing only firearms, Max Armory website has a bunch of them with the required orange cap.
They also sell blank ammunition so you can take a look at them as well.

Posted by: whig at October 22, 2021 08:27 PM (9hXN1)

366 Whig,

What did you think of Branca's reasoning?

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2021 08:28 PM (WbpTV)

367 Maybe God didn't find those SNL skits, mocking Donald Trump, to be very funny.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at October 22, 2021 08:29 PM (5HBd1)

368 Do not apportion unto G-d actions that can easily be explained by Human stupidity.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2021 08:30 PM (WbpTV)

369 We should have built a wall to keep Baldwins out. Not the pianos, those are ok.
Posted by: klaftern at October 22, 2021 08:26 PM (taPSh)

3, 2, 1 Alec Baldwin to change name to Alexis Steinway.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 22, 2021 08:30 PM (P3gRi)

370 And FYI - if you wanted more gun control - how would you set up a false flag operation any better than this ?

With all you bitching about how Baldwin did it wrong ? The same way Hollywood does it, on your TV, every damn day. Regardless of what you see on the movie screen.

Just sitting there, stiff necked, insisting that "By God, you don't even point one of these things on the TV set with blanks !!!".

Idiots. Might as well cluck your tongues at Charles Bronson in Death Wish.

Posted by: Working for Peanuts at October 22, 2021 08:31 PM (313+e)

371 Alexis?

going for the sex change also?

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2021 08:31 PM (WbpTV)

372 Sorry I killed the thread. I'm out.

Posted by: Infidel at October 22, 2021 08:31 PM (QC3yT)

373 367 Maybe God didn't find those SNL skits, mocking Donald Trump, to be very funny.
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at October 22, 2021 08:29 PM (5HBd1)

Allowing/causing the murder of a presumably innocent woman because of a slight against someone completely unrelated?

That's pretty freakin' Old Testament, there, isn't it?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 22, 2021 08:31 PM (6FeV1)

374 AOP: Al Yamaha!

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 08:31 PM (L2ZTs)

375 From what I've been able to glean, Baldwin was using a shotgun.

In the movie biz parlance, a "live" round doesn't mean what most people would call it. As in a regular bullet cartridge or shotshell. "Live" would refer to a blank, something to keep in mind when people start talking about live rounds in a gun.

Posted by: Common Tater at October 22, 2021 08:31 PM (PlGk9)

376 338 Braenyard, I am seeing too many alleged 'facts' right now. That happens when a big news story hits and part of that is twisted by publicists with agendas and media contacts.

Right now, we know that Baldwin shot the cinematographer and the director. With what, how it happened, what did Baldwin say, what did he do, etc., we do not know.

I do know media has typical incompetence where they would report Baldwin using an M-16 fully automatic machine gun in a movie production of the old West. Or an automatic Glock revolver.

Posted by: whig at October 22, 2021 08:32 PM (9hXN1)

377
Okay, finally.

"breaking" "news"
Baldwin's killing of a woman "may have been recorded."

Yeah, no doubt. But will we ever see it?

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 08:32 PM (aGUIs)

378 372 Sorry I killed the thread. I'm out.
Posted by: Infidel at October 22, 2021 08:31 PM (QC3yT)

We don't have time for your nice stories, here! There's assholes to argue about! And with! Come on!

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 22, 2021 08:32 PM (6FeV1)

379 > Hollywood needs to shit-can guns. No more White Hat shooting the Black Hat.

Just add it in post. CGI or something.

Posted by: me at October 22, 2021 08:33 PM (xaN3I)

380 Just imagine if Baldwin had used an auto-cucumber

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2021 08:33 PM (WbpTV)

381 We need Alec Baldwin to make another appearance on SNL doing his Trump impersonation, and pointing a loaded firearm at Nancy Pelosi.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at October 22, 2021 08:33 PM (5l6FZ)

382 Speaking of which, I wish I had my old Yamaha receiver.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 22, 2021 08:33 PM (VvXmx)

383
"Search warrant issued for movie location, cameras, phones, and more."

Okay, but why 24 hours after the shooting??

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 08:34 PM (aGUIs)

384 MrAspirinFactory:
Back in the late 1980s I had a Yamaha R-9 stereo receiver.

Loved it but I didn't treat it with kid gloves and it didn't last very long, alas.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 08:34 PM (L2ZTs)

385 And FYI - if you wanted more gun control - how would you set up a false flag operation any better than this ?



somebody is suggesting he murdered somebody for this?

that has to be the stupidest thing ever said here

Posted by: confederatefifth at October 22, 2021 08:34 PM (K3ZCc)

386 @322 Pug Mahon- So it is known that he was playing a joke? This is information from an investigation, right?
Posted by: JROD at October 22, 2021 08:21 PM (0jZnq)

That was absolutely not my point, and you know it.

You never fuck around with a gun. Ever. How fucking hard is this to understand?

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Rage-oholic at October 22, 2021 08:35 PM (x8Wzq)

387 Pug, exactamundo!

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 08:35 PM (L2ZTs)

388 366 Anna, thanks for reminding me. I agree with him in short.

I read all of your kindly provided Branca post and he was as usual was extremely careful in delineating criminal and civil liability using hypothetical Baldwin actions to fill in the required elements of each. We shall have to wait and see after the fog of publicists fades and the real facts and testimony gets reported.

Posted by: whig at October 22, 2021 08:35 PM (9hXN1)

389 Pioneer chrome brush finish SX series receivers. Smooth FM dial action.

Posted by: Common Tater at October 22, 2021 08:35 PM (PlGk9)

390 303 Wonder if we will get another Spector type trial out of this?
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Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2021 08:11 PM (WbpTV)
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Oh, the hangin' judge
he loves the hangin' tree

Posted by: Braenyard at October 22, 2021 08:35 PM (cvH3m)

391 Speaking of which, I wish I had my old Yamaha receiver.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 22, 2021 08:33 PM (VvXmx)

Big sale on 80% Yamaha receivers.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 22, 2021 08:36 PM (P3gRi)

392 Part of my nightly Bible reading is in the Old Testament right now. Actually, my husband used to tell me, when he was a kid, his mom would say "God punished you" any time he screwed up. That's what I was really thinking about.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at October 22, 2021 08:36 PM (5HBd1)

393
I foolishly assumed the detectives immediately did a thorough search and confiscated all equipment and devices that could be "evidence" in a homicide, but they're just getting to it, now. Great.

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 08:36 PM (aGUIs)

394 From what I've been able to glean, Baldwin was using a shotgun.
Posted by: Common Tater

Changes things considerably. The wadding for a 12 g. with no load would be huge, and probably multi-part.
You could easily hit two folks, one high, one low, at some yardage, too.
Black powder wadding can start stuff on fire at 5 yards.

Posted by: MkY at October 22, 2021 08:37 PM (Foq6I)

395 Gun movies are made with people firing guns with blanks with the cameras rolling. I'm still trying to figure out why Baldwin was pulling the trigger when they weren't filming that does involve breaking all sorts of gun safety rules.

Posted by: Axeman at October 22, 2021 08:37 PM (OaZlZ)

396 Infidel-Oh FFS I'm not making excuses for the a-hole but how the f do you know if he was being careless? Maybe the gun wrangler f'ed up. Bottom line you and I do not know.
Posted by: JROD at October 22, 2021 08:19 PM (0jZnq)

The gun wrangler didn't AIM the gun.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 22, 2021 08:37 PM (eoQWY)

397 somebody is suggesting he murdered somebody for this?

that has to be the stupidest thing ever said here
Posted by: confederatefifth at October 22, 2021 08:34 PM (K3ZCc)

It makes perfect sense.

1) Murder a crew member
2) ....
3) Profit!

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 22, 2021 08:37 PM (6FeV1)

398 No worries folks! We're on the case!

And we declare Mr. Baldwin 100% innocent on account of his being a Democrat and a famous actor!

Posted by: FBI at October 22, 2021 08:37 PM (L2ZTs)

399 And FYI - if you wanted more gun control - how would you set up a false flag operation any better than this ?

somebody is suggesting he murdered somebody for this?

that has to be the stupidest thing ever said here
Posted by: confederatefifth


Waco, Texas has entered the chat.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 22, 2021 08:37 PM (OCTRt)

400 We're 99.99% convinced the Baldwin set shooter was an angry terrorist parent at a New Mexico schoolboard meeting!

Posted by: FBI at October 22, 2021 08:38 PM (L2ZTs)

401 Waco, when the FBI owned real main battle tanks.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2021 08:38 PM (WbpTV)

402 I foolishly assumed the detectives immediately did a thorough search and confiscated all equipment and devices that could be "evidence" in a homicide, but they're just getting to it, now. Great.
Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 08:36 PM (aGUIs)

Could be worse. They could be working from FBI guidelines.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 22, 2021 08:39 PM (P3gRi)

403 Soothsayer,
The difference is that movie companies and wealth individuals have lawyers on staff and the DA office will always be more careful and circumspect in search warrants if competent counsel could oppose them.

Got to dot your i's and cross your t's.

Posted by: whig at October 22, 2021 08:39 PM (9hXN1)

404 somebody is suggesting he murdered somebody for this?

Posted by: confederatefifth at October 22, 2021 08:34 PM (K3ZCc)


If you can't walk through to the top of the thread - I'll help. Yes - that is one theory spouted by the thought leaders here.

Fuck Alec Baldwin. Let's get that set in stone.

Now - let's get to the point where dude "should never point a gun at someone, even in Hollywood". And lets back that up with "Even with blanks, guns are dangerous, unless its the magic of Keanu Reeves, who can see magically if the gun is good to go during the scene.".

And all the rest of the general stupid notions spouted as fact by those that just spout talking points.

Posted by: Working for Peanuts at October 22, 2021 08:40 PM (313+e)

405 No worries folks! We're on the case!

And we declare Mr. Baldwin 100% innocent on account of his being a Democrat and a famous actor!
Posted by: FBI at October 22, 2021 08:37 PM (L2ZTs)


And his not being at a school board meeting!

Posted by: LASue at October 22, 2021 08:40 PM (Ed8Zd)

406 And we declare Mr. Baldwin 100% innocent on account of his being a Democrat and a famous actor!
Posted by: FBI at October 22, 2021 08:37 PM (

-:-----
I think this is local SD, but yeah... Without regard to what happened, that's the likely outcome. Just the fuckin' way she goes, as Ray would say.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 22, 2021 08:40 PM (/KPLX)

407 FBI guidelines?

"Step this way ladies and gentlemen of the press, the scene is perfectly fine to be trampled over."

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2021 08:40 PM (WbpTV)

408
According to Yahoo News, court documents filed about the Baldwin case, say the gun was loaded with real bullets. An assistant director handed Baldwin a gun loaded with real bullets and he then fired. Who he was aiming at is not clear, but apparently the bullet went through the woman, killing her, and then into the director, who was standing behind her.

There was a cart with various guns being used and there was some mixup about which had real bullets and which had blanks.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at October 22, 2021 08:40 PM (Mzdiz)

409 Could be worse. They could be working from FBI guidelines.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 22, 2021 08:39 PM (P3gRi)

Did you guys remember to sprinkle some crack on the body?

Posted by: LAPD at October 22, 2021 08:40 PM (6FeV1)

410 Dammit wealthy individuals, typing on sucks on a small screen.

Posted by: whig at October 22, 2021 08:41 PM (9hXN1)

411 A couple other threads I've been following on other sites says someone who was there states the director wanted another take during a rehearsal, and Baldwin said something to the effect of "Another take? How about I shoot your fuckin' asses?" And then fired. No idea how factual that is, but that's the story so far.

Posted by: Common Tater at October 22, 2021 08:41 PM (PlGk9)

412 @396 Oldcat-I'm sure in the history of filming gun fights actors have never fired guns with blanks in the direction of a cinematographer or a director or any other personnel. 100% never happened.

Posted by: JROD at October 22, 2021 08:42 PM (0jZnq)

413 LASue and Yud, yup and yup!

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 08:42 PM (L2ZTs)

414 Did you guys remember to sprinkle some crack on the body?
Posted by: LAPD at October 22, 2021 08:40 PM (6FeV1)
---
Where's that from?

Posted by: Axeman at October 22, 2021 08:42 PM (OaZlZ)

415 All right, imonna chill now. Listening to Grand Funk Railroad, Caught in the Act. One of the greatest live albums ever.

Just wish I had some weed.

Love you, Horde.

And hey! You guys in Texas! Shush!!

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Rage-oholic at October 22, 2021 08:42 PM (x8Wzq)

416 Alec the actor maybe negligent/innocent on the murder charge.

Alec the co-producer however....

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2021 08:42 PM (WbpTV)

417 Why would somebody loan out their registered, deadly firearm to a fucking slapdick film crew?

In some states if a firearm is used to murder someone, don't they also hold the registered user guilty of the same crime, even if he wasn't the shooter?

Holmes, I suspect there may be two felons here.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at October 22, 2021 08:45 PM (5l6FZ)

418 Report from the scene at Long Beach port:

https://tinyurl.com/2zf458kt

Posted by: Lizzy at October 22, 2021 08:45 PM (bDqIh)

419 Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2021 08:42 PM (WbpTV)

You pull a trigger, YOU are responsible for the consequences.

Period.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 22, 2021 08:45 PM (oHd/0)

420 "Another take? How about I shoot your fuckin' asses?" And then fired. No idea how factual that is, but that's the story so far.
Posted by: Common Tater at October 22, 2021 08:41 PM (PlGk9)

I've been hearing the same. Which I can totally believe he might have said as a joke, and then fired as a joke, believing he had a gun that wouldn't actually fire, or would fire a perfectly safe, never hurt anyone, "trust me I was in the Army and i watched John Wick while I cranked out a litter of knuckle puppies" blank.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 22, 2021 08:45 PM (6FeV1)

421
Dammit wealthy individuals, typing on sucks on a small screen.
Posted by: whig


We got it.

We're not writing for the Library of Congress, here.

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 08:45 PM (aGUIs)

422 You never fuck around with a gun. Ever. How fucking hard is this to understand?
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Rage-oholic at October 22, 2021 08:35 PM (x8Wzq)

Always. No matter what. At all times.

And Alec Baldwin, while an asshole, is probably positively miserable now, having discovered reality is a lot harder than his mirage of leftie crapola.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at October 22, 2021 08:45 PM (qvjMx)

423 Oldcat-I'm sure in the history of filming gun fights actors have never fired guns with blanks in the direction of a cinematographer or a director or any other personnel. 100% never happened.
Posted by: JROD at October 22, 2021 08:42 PM (0jZnq)

I'm sure they had - and they were all being careless by doing so. Otherwise I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 22, 2021 08:46 PM (eoQWY)

424 412 @396 Oldcat-I'm sure in the history of filming gun fights actors have never fired guns with blanks in the direction of a cinematographer or a director or any other personnel. 100% never happened.
Posted by: JROD at October 22, 2021 08:42 PM (0jZnq)

Nah, we used live rounds... kept the staff on their toes.

Posted by: Tom Mix at October 22, 2021 08:47 PM (oHd/0)

425 @386 Pug Mahon-You were not there. You cannot say definitively wtf happened. You do not know if he was given the all clear to fire the gun. You do not know if he was required to fire the gun in the direction of the cinematographer and director. Maybe you have experience on the set of a movie filming a gun fight.

I know you never fuck around with a gun. I've spent decades on a fucking firing line without shooting anybody or being ripped by a rangemaster.

Posted by: JROD at October 22, 2021 08:47 PM (0jZnq)

426 -----------

He pointed a firearm he had not cleared at someone and pulled the trigger. What else do you need to know?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 22, 2021 08:24 PM (kTF2Z)
===========

It's not his job to clear it.
Trying to clear a prop gun may screw it up.

They weren't filming; why was the gun there, who put a live bullet in the gun?

Posted by: Braenyard at October 22, 2021 08:47 PM (cvH3m)

427 I don't think murder is at question. I think the maximum charge would have to be manslaughter. Not gonna happen. It'll be some joke charge, if he's charged.

Civil negligence is no issue. Production company will pay that judgment, and even if he's a co-producer, his agent and accountant and attorney and industry palz will see to it Alec's insurance company/less famous partners take that particular bath.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 22, 2021 08:47 PM (/KPLX)

428 Grampa says keep your booger hook in your nose.

Posted by: Arkansas Biden Baby at October 22, 2021 08:47 PM (Xrfse)

429 Nah, we used live rounds... kept the staff on their toes.
Posted by: Tom Mix at October 22, 2021 08:47 PM (oHd/0)

Or off them, if you were making them "dance"

Posted by: Oldcat at October 22, 2021 08:48 PM (eoQWY)

430 Even the Yahoo story is damning. Why, for God's sake, would you intermingle live round weapons with blank round weapons? ON THE SAME TABLE?
These people... no wonder they fear guns! They have no respect for them.
The Legal Insurrection article was pretty concise, eh?

Posted by: MkY at October 22, 2021 08:48 PM (Foq6I)

431 Baldwin ran a chaotic, shitshow movie set. This guy is a drunk psychopath.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 22, 2021 08:49 PM (VvXmx)

432 They weren't filming; why was the gun there, who put a live bullet in the gun?
Posted by: Braenyard


The million dollar question is, "why was there a live round anywhere on the set?"

Posted by: rickb223 at October 22, 2021 08:49 PM (OCTRt)

433 Coffee for closers,
Starter pistol for losers.

Posted by: Karma at October 22, 2021 08:49 PM (kromb)

434 Oh well back to building the Eduard Spitfire Mk I.

Hopefully I won't glue my fingers together with the super glue.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2021 08:50 PM (WbpTV)

435 @423 Oldcat- My point is the same as my original one. Nobody has a godamn clue as to wtf happened. I remember the times when shit that happened like this we'd keep our powder dry before trying t definitively opine on wtf happened. Them days are gone, must be because of the shutdowns from covid.

Posted by: JROD at October 22, 2021 08:51 PM (0jZnq)

436 Mr Aspirin: yup.

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 08:51 PM (L2ZTs)

437 More Wild Assed Speculation:

If this labor strike angle is true, I can imagine the scabbie crew brought in to continue filming would have literally no idea what organizational system was already in place for keeping things separated and in their places... so they may have just said "Fuck it, we'll do it live" and just piled all the Props together, figuring they'd figure it out as they went. Something like that, maybe.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 22, 2021 08:52 PM (6FeV1)

438 You were not there. You cannot say definitively wtf happened. You do not know if he was given the all clear to fire the gun. You do not know if he was required to fire the gun in the direction of the cinematographer and director. Maybe you have experience on the set of a movie filming a gun fight.

I know you never fuck around with a gun. I've spent decades on a fucking firing line without shooting anybody or being ripped by a rangemaster.
Posted by: JROD at October 22, 2021 08:47 PM (0jZnq)

So your current theory is that for some reason it was planned to intentionally fire a live round at two people and a hella expensive camera?

That's worth more jail time than anything so far.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 22, 2021 08:52 PM (eoQWY)

439 @408 publics-Well there we go. Now we're getting somewhere. More info.

Posted by: JROD at October 22, 2021 08:53 PM (0jZnq)

440 435 @423 Oldcat- My point is the same as my original one. Nobody has a godamn clue as to wtf happened. I remember the times when shit that happened like this we'd keep our powder dry before trying t definitively opine on wtf happened. Them days are gone, must be because of the shutdowns from covid.
Posted by: JROD at October 22, 2021 08:51 PM (0jZnq)

This isn't a court of law, it's idle speculating and bullshitting on the internet. Calm your tits, man, go have a beer or something.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 22, 2021 08:53 PM (6FeV1)

441 That family and their dog that died on the hike, died of extreme heat and dehydration. They originally thought it might be the algae bloom in the local water. But they were hiking on a very steep trail in temperatures that went up to 107-109. Killed their baby too.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at October 22, 2021 08:54 PM (5HBd1)

442 Oldcat- My point is the same as my original one. Nobody has a godamn clue as to wtf happened. I remember the times when shit that happened like this we'd keep our powder dry before trying t definitively opine on wtf happened. Them days are gone, must be because of the shutdowns from covid.
Posted by: JROD at October 22, 2021 08:51 PM (0jZnq)

It was always wrong to ignore evidence of wrongdoers until they can cover it up.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 22, 2021 08:54 PM (eoQWY)

443 372 Sorry I killed the thread. I'm out.
Posted by: Infidel at October 22, 2021 08:31 PM (QC3yT)
---------------

thread killer, Oh, wait, it's ALIVE,

You're Innocent.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 22, 2021 08:54 PM (cvH3m)

444 Also, great link re: logjam at the LA port.

Posted by: MkY at October 22, 2021 08:54 PM (Foq6I)

445 I'm still trying to figure out why Baldwin was pulling the trigger when they weren't filming that does involve breaking all sorts of gun safety rules.

Especially when something similar happened a few days prior. (L.A. Times)

Posted by: t-bird at October 22, 2021 08:54 PM (UMXod)

446 "why was there a live round anywhere on the set?"


They were probably using live rounds as props, when showing rounds, instead of empty, live looking dummy rounds.

Posted by: davidt at October 22, 2021 08:56 PM (2/FOp)

447 There was a cart with various guns being used and there was some mixup about which had real bullets and which had blanks.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at October 22, 2021 08:40 PM (Mzdiz)

Why were ANY real bullets on set? Makes no sense.

Posted by: Tami at October 22, 2021 08:56 PM (cF8AT)

448 >>Also, great link re: logjam at the LA port.


It's frightening -- if the Biden admin and Newsom keep sitting on their asses it's only going to get worse until international trade collapses.

https://tinyurl.com/2zf458kt

Posted by: Lizzy at October 22, 2021 08:56 PM (bDqIh)

449
It would be quite the twist if someone from the Local messed with guns and ammo on the set.

But we all know union members never do that sort of thing.

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 08:56 PM (aGUIs)

450 Again, a "live round" in the movie biz means something different than in common usage.

A prop firearm containing a blank cartridge is called a "live" round. But it isn't a live round as we understand the term.

I think this may be a source of confusion, if this is the case.

Posted by: Common Tater at October 22, 2021 08:57 PM (PlGk9)

451 Posted by: Oldcat at October 22, 2021 08:52 PM (eoQWY)

My Theory? Some of the crew had walked off the sight due to safety issues.

So maybe someone tried to prove the point?

Posted by: Tom Mix at October 22, 2021 08:57 PM (oHd/0)

452 @438 Oldcat-My theory until publics made his comment was that none of us know wtf happened. Period.

Yes thats my theory. Fire a live round that is not a blank at the director and cinematographer who would then dodge bullets like the Matrix but still get a bitchin' shot. Guess they should have worn kevlar vests with ballistic plates.

Posted by: JROD at October 22, 2021 08:57 PM (0jZnq)

453 377 "breaking" "news"
Baldwin's killing of a woman "may have been recorded."

Yeah, no doubt. But will we ever see it?
Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 08:32 PM (aGUIs)


*left-click on movie clip*
*shift-delete*

Whoops. Footage got deleted. It was totes an accident.
Sorry about that.

Posted by: "Rust" production team at October 22, 2021 08:58 PM (DTX3h)

454 They were probably using live rounds as props, when showing rounds, instead of empty, live looking dummy rounds.
Posted by: davidt


Then you deprime the rounds and take the powder out and put the bullet back in. From the front and side, it looks real.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 22, 2021 08:58 PM (OCTRt)

455 >>>Especially when something similar happened a few days prior. (L.A. Times)

>This is all so hard to figure out, especially now since they are trotting out the "let's go Brandon Lee" defense.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at October 22, 2021 08:58 PM (5l6FZ)

456 You were not there. You cannot say definitively wtf happened. You do not know if he was given the all clear to fire the gun. You do not know if he was required to fire the gun in the direction of the cinematographer and director. Maybe you have experience on the set of a movie filming a gun fight.
----------------------------------

I have Alec Baldwin admitting he aimed the gun, and medics reporting the woman is dead. Thus he has final responsibility for handling his gun. And as a co-producer, he had additional responsibility for any failures of procedure, which I am assured would never let anything like this happen.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 22, 2021 08:59 PM (eoQWY)

457 Then you deprime the rounds and take the powder out and put the bullet back in. From the front and side, it looks real.

Posted by: rickb223

Exactly. An empty, live-looking dummy round.

Posted by: davidt at October 22, 2021 08:59 PM (2/FOp)

458 Joe on pony

https://tinyurl.com/46d78xec

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 22, 2021 08:59 PM (yrol0)

459
That family and their dog that died on the hike, died of extreme heat and dehydration. They originally thought it might be the algae bloom in the local water. But they were hiking on a very steep trail in temperatures that went up to 107-109. Killed their baby too.
Posted by: Notsothoreau



This has me scratching my head.

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 09:00 PM (aGUIs)

460 >>>Baldwin was pulling the trigger when they weren't filming that does involve breaking all sorts of gun safety rules.
Posted by: Axeman at October 22, 2021 08:37 PM (OaZlZ)
-------------

Baldwin was being what he always has been - a jackass.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 22, 2021 09:00 PM (cvH3m)

461 Sorry I killed the thread. I'm out.
Posted by: Infidel


So Infidel is Alec Baldwin? Interesting.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 22, 2021 09:00 PM (OCTRt)

462 Nick Searcy is a real hero and treasure. I cant imagine being a sane and successful conservative or anything even close to conservativism in Hollywood. Major juevos on that guy.

Posted by: LASue at October 22, 2021 09:00 PM (Ed8Zd)

463 All I know is gun control Alec Baldwin killed someone with a gun.

Posted by: Just a side note at October 22, 2021 09:01 PM (2DOZq)

464 @440 Warai-otoko-My tits (actually pecs) are calm. People start firing shots and I fire back and its OMG calm down. All I said was we do not know what happened and people jump my shit. Fuck that, I'll respond in kind.

Posted by: JROD at October 22, 2021 09:01 PM (0jZnq)

465 The simplest explanation I can come up with is:

- Baldwin had a shotgun loaded with blanks of some sort for the scene
- He made a "joke" about shooting the director, and fired towards him
- Enough crap came flying out of the barrels, and he was close enough, that the director and the cinematographer both were injured from it.

It takes the least amount of speculation, and doesn't contradict anything we actually "know" so far. It also explains why he was described to have been bitterly weeping shortly afterwards.... plain old shame.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 22, 2021 09:01 PM (6FeV1)

466 There is already a meme out with Baldwin photoshopped on the Top Gun movie poster

PROP GUN

Posted by: Just a side note at October 22, 2021 09:02 PM (2DOZq)

467 @JackPosobiec

Things are looking worse and worse for him (Baldwin)

https://tinyurl.com/yh29xbhz

Posted by: Tami at October 22, 2021 09:03 PM (cF8AT)

468 464 @440 Warai-otoko-My tits (actually pecs) are calm. People start firing shots and I fire back and its OMG calm down. All I said was we do not know what happened and people jump my shit. Fuck that, I'll respond in kind.
Posted by: JROD at October 22, 2021 09:01 PM (0jZnq)

Who's firing shots, man? (also, dude, too soon. I mean, dash my wigs, sir.) We're just bullshitting, and you're pissing on our parade like Scogg Jr.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at October 22, 2021 09:03 PM (6FeV1)

469 Was it a shotgun?

Posted by: Joe Biden at October 22, 2021 09:03 PM (2/FOp)

470 435 @423 Oldcat- My point is the same as my original one. Nobody has a godamn clue as to wtf happened. I remember the times when shit that happened like this we'd keep our powder dry before trying t definitively opine on wtf happened. Them days are gone, must be because of the shutdowns from covid.
Posted by: JROD at October 22, 2021 08:51 PM (0jZnq)


Started years before then with broadcast media

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at October 22, 2021 09:03 PM (8C7+r)

471 Things are looking worse and worse for him (Baldwin)

https://tinyurl.com/yh29xbhz
Posted by: Tami


I'm just going to guess the Ukrainian woman was pregnant with his child before I go to the link...

Posted by: t-bird at October 22, 2021 09:04 PM (8eSmR)

472 Baldwin was being what he always has been - a jackass.
Posted by: Braenyard at October 22, 2021 09:00 PM (cvH3m)
---
That's my theory.

If it turns out they were filming and he was shooting a gun in the scene, I don't know, given how they film gun movies, what else actor Alec Baldwin could have done.

However, the negligence of the crew is something that *producer* Alec Baldwin isn't likely to escape.

Posted by: Axeman at October 22, 2021 09:04 PM (OaZlZ)

473 Braenyard, yup!

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 09:05 PM (L2ZTs)

474
We have a body.
We have a weapon.
We have the man who pulled the trigger on the weapon.

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 09:05 PM (aGUIs)

475 There is already a meme out with Baldwin photoshopped on the Top Gun movie poster

PROP GUN
Posted by: Just a side note


Alec Baldwin is now making snuff films.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 22, 2021 09:06 PM (OCTRt)

476 We have a body.
We have a weapon.
We have the man who pulled the trigger on the weapon.

Posted by: S'oothsay'er


And all on film.

Posted by: davidt at October 22, 2021 09:06 PM (2/FOp)

477
noood

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 09:06 PM (aGUIs)

478 This is all a ploy to generate interest in another so-so Hollywood film.

Posted by: Lefty conspiracy theorist at October 22, 2021 09:10 PM (67Ob5)

479 I'm just going to guess the Ukrainian woman was pregnant with his child before I go to the link...
Posted by: t-bird

Guffaw

Posted by: MkY at October 22, 2021 09:11 PM (Foq6I)

480 Its gettin late. Has Alec Baldwin killed a limit of women yet?

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 22, 2021 09:11 PM (KUNWw)

481 qdpsteve (#147):
"Alec could find himself blackballed by Hollywood unions over this incident" - not to mention he needs to find a new director of photography on short notice, which won't be easy when all the candidates know he shot and killed the last one. I don't know how badly hurt the director is that he shot, but even if he's out of the hospital tomorrow, he'd have to be damned hard up for money to even think of going back to work for Baldwin on this movie, or any other. Seems likely Baldwin will have grave difficulties finishing this movie, or doing another as producer, or ever acting in another movie except as a powerless do-everything-you're-told-and-shut-up actor with no say in anything.

Posted by: Dr. Weevil at October 22, 2021 09:14 PM (C8Y83)

482 Dr Weevil, thanks! :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at October 22, 2021 09:23 PM (L2ZTs)

483 Didn't Danica Patrick kill her own pit crew?
Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 07:13 PM (aGUIs)



With an axe, wasn't it. It takes a lot of anger to do that.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 22, 2021 09:33 PM (yQpMk)

484
^
lulz

Posted by: S'oothsay'er at October 22, 2021 09:40 PM (aGUIs)

485 Washing condoms is ridiculous. Just turn them inside out and shake the fuck out of them.

Posted by: DinsdalePiranha at October 23, 2021 12:29 AM (05tSW)

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Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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