The Left's Deeply Dishonest Response To A Rational Judicial Decision: A Perfect Example Of Emotions Trumping Facts

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The insanity of the byzantine "Assault Weapons" laws in the various blue states has to be seen to be believed. For instance, in the People's Republic of New Jersey, any muzzle device must be pinned and welded to the barrel, and cannot be a flash suppressor but can be a compensator. Adjustable stocks? Hah! And bayonet mounts are bad too, presumably because there have been far too many bayonet attacks, and if it saves just one life...

And California may be even more insane. But a rational judge heard a lawsuit against the nuttiness, and agreed that it is laughably counter to the 2nd Amendment and other precedents.

California's Assault Weapons Ban Violates Second Amendment: Judge

“The Heller test asks: is a modern rifle commonly owned by law-abiding citizens for a lawful purpose? For the AR-15 type rifle the answer is ‘yes.’ The overwhelming majority of citizens who own and keep the popular AR-15 rifle and its many variants do so for lawful purposes, including self-defense at home. Under Heller, that is all that is needed. Using the easy to understand Heller test, it is obvious that the California assault weapon ban is unconstitutional. Under the Heller test, judicial review can end right here,” Benitez wrote.
That makes sense. it is a rational critique of California's law, and is amply supported in the judge's 94 page ruling.

But in the introduction to the ruling -- in fact the first sentence -- the judge equates the AR-15 with another popular tool.

Like the Swiss Army Knife, the popular AR-15 rifle is a perfect combination of home defense weapon and homeland defense equipment.
And in the absence of any substantive challenge to the judge's holding, the ranting fascists who currently hold sway in California latched onto that throwaway line to insert an emotional tag to their attacks.

“Overturning CA’s assault weapon ban and comparing an AR-15 to a SWISS ARMY KNIFE is a disgusting slap in the face to those who have lost loved ones to gun violence,” California Gov. Gavin Newsom, a Democrat, said late Friday. “This is a direct threat to public safety and innocent Californians. We won’t stand for it.”

“Today’s decision is fundamentally flawed, and we will be appealing it. There is no sound basis in law, fact, or common sense for equating assault rifles with swiss army knives,” Bonta added.

Never mind that the judge wasn't making a legal point, or even anything more than a comparison of two popular things. It has no force of law, has no influence on the legal arguments, has nothing whatsoever to do with the following 94 pages of legal discussion, but there is the hyper-emotional hook to get the soccer moms exercised!

It is deeply dishonest, but one of the important tools in the socialist kit. Find something that, taken out of context, seems odd or discordant. Then hammer the trivial point home, conflating the unimportant with the substantive.

This is what they are best at; obfuscating the real issues and inflating nonsense to ridiculous importance. Just look at the other hot-button issues of the day, and you will see similar tactics. Trans (fake) women should be allowed to compete with real women? Why? For their own mental health? But that has nothing to do with fairness in competition. Voter ID is the Devil! Why? Because blacks can't get IDs? That's arrant nonsense, but they couch it in vague terms and latch onto ancillary points to buttress that deeply offensive argument.

Never mind that their arguments make no sense. It is the emotional aspect that is important. And it works.

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1 I'll fetch em

Posted by: Skip at June 06, 2021 11:01 AM (Cxk7w)

2 Nailed 'em!

Posted by: Diogenes at June 06, 2021 11:03 AM (axyOa)

3
Bayonets? Even during World War I, deaths from a bayonet attack were a vanishingly tiny number.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 06, 2021 11:03 AM (mht8P)

4 On left is a AR, on right a Assault 16 Oz curved claw

Posted by: Skip at June 06, 2021 11:03 AM (Cxk7w)

5 The Left's Deeply Dishonest Response...

This is a typically good start to most discussions about anything the Left says.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 06, 2021 11:04 AM (axyOa)

6 That judge was appointed by Dubya. Proving there is an exception to every rule. This ruling will be overturned by the 9th circus soon enough.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 06, 2021 11:04 AM (DlG3S)

7 In Napoleonic era a bayonet wound was rare

Posted by: Skip at June 06, 2021 11:05 AM (Cxk7w)

8 dat AR has an itty bitty magazine


and a sooper long barrel infront of the front sight post

Posted by: will choose a nic later at June 06, 2021 11:05 AM (bTQ72)

9
Ball-peens and mallets are dangerous too. Better ban those as well.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 06, 2021 11:05 AM (mht8P)

10 "Under the Heller test, judicial review can end right here, Benitez wrote."

Now that's just crazy talk there.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 06, 2021 11:06 AM (JUOKG)

11
when was the last person killed in the USA with a bayonette attached to a rifle?

Posted by: will choose a nic later at June 06, 2021 11:06 AM (bTQ72)

12 Its all religion. The religion picks something and they all have to follow, and no amount of facts will change their "opinion." No guns plus all masks means death goes away.

The saddest part is they don't realize it is a religion and realize why they do what they do. But God didn't refer to people as sheep for no reason.

Posted by: Bete at June 06, 2021 11:07 AM (Ojki1)

13 when was the last person killed in the USA with a bayonette attached to a rifle?





Posted by: will choose a nic later at June 06, 2021 11:06 AM


bing says there was one in SD in 2017. The article is unclear if the bayonet was actually attached to a rifle though.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 06, 2021 11:08 AM (JUOKG)

14 Bayonets? Even during World War I, deaths from a bayonet attack were a vanishingly tiny number.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 06, 2021 11:03 AM (mht8P)


But nothing gets your troops fired up to fight like the command: "Fix bayonets!"

Posted by: Diogenes at June 06, 2021 11:10 AM (axyOa)

15 CBD - I spent some of this morning looking at various voting laws that have passed or are working through the legislatures.

Curiously, most of the information that can be found is from leftist publications. And they all use this exact rhetorical tactic.

Reading stuff from the Brennan Center made me feel like I needed a shower. And the popup asking me to donate was precious.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 06, 2021 11:10 AM (5p7BC)

16 That's not a bayonet mount! It's a corkscrew holder!!

Posted by: Muldoon at June 06, 2021 11:10 AM (m45I2)

17 Every time I hear the phrase "gun violence", I release the safety on my Browning.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 06, 2021 11:11 AM (R/m4+)

18 My favorite part of that ruling, even better than the Swiss Army Knife analogy? The judge *repeatedly* refused to use the terminology "assault rifle" in his ruling. Referred to them numerous times as "modern rifles". Judge was of Cuban extraction. No more better lover of freedom, than someone who knows real tyranny.
I hope this ruling stands up to appeal.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 06, 2021 11:11 AM (7Fj9P)

19 When fighting gets hand to hand down and dirty someone will still get stuck with a bayonet. Fun fact was my FiL who mentioned earlier was a D-Day vet was wounded with one a few weeks after that.

Posted by: Skip at June 06, 2021 11:11 AM (Cxk7w)

20 The Establishment Left's defining characteristic is it's utter contempt for the mindless followers who make their power possible.


That is why they can lie about almost everything and maintain absolute credibility.

Posted by: TC at June 06, 2021 11:12 AM (IOaKQ)

21 But nothing gets your troops fired up to fight like the command: "Fix bayonets!"
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I always wondered why that wasn't affix bayonets. Do they issue broken bayonets??

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 06, 2021 11:14 AM (7Fj9P)

22 20 The Establishment Left's defining characteristic is it's utter contempt for the mindless followers who make their power possible.

Posted by: TC at June 06, 2021 11:12 AM (IOaKQ)

Its almost like the Establishment in politics has adopted the traits of just about every ruling class ever in their contempt for those not in their club.

Posted by: Bete at June 06, 2021 11:14 AM (Ojki1)

23 The 9th circus probably already has their opinion written.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 06, 2021 11:15 AM (kTF2Z)

24 Brave Sir Robin, grunts don't care about grammar.

Posted by: callsign claymore at June 06, 2021 11:17 AM (zav8e)

25 You know who else doesn't care about grammar?

Posted by: Muldoon at June 06, 2021 11:18 AM (m45I2)

26 23 The 9th circus probably already has their opinion written.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 06, 2021 11:15 AM (kTF2Z)

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The 9th Circuit is a lot more conservative than it used to be.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 06, 2021 11:18 AM (fLVm1)

27 Fix bayonets!

Pass me the duct tape!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 06, 2021 11:18 AM (kTF2Z)

28 Trump made a pretty major overhaul of the 9th during his first term. I wouldn't bet against the 9th upholding the decision and SCOTUS refusing to take the appeal from California.

Right now, the court that is getting overturned the most is the 11th, I think.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 06, 2021 11:19 AM (5p7BC)

29 Fun fact was my FiL who mentioned earlier was a D-Day vet was wounded with one a few weeks after that.
Posted by: Skip

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The North American Man Boy Lincoln Association compares themselves to the guys who hit Omaha Beach.

The Lincoln Project
@ProjectLincoln
The work of opposing fascism is as American as apple pie. As we again face the rise fascism - this time on our own shores - that work must continue. #DDay

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at June 06, 2021 11:20 AM (d9FiS)

30 Do they issue broken bayonets??
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 06, 2021 11:14 AM

They get broken off in your enemy's rib cage.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 06, 2021 11:20 AM (elNCO)

31 I saw a triangular bayonet once with three edges instead of the typical knife-like designs we're accustomed to seeing. Some exhaustive research on that Intarwebz thingy revealed that they were outlawed because there wasn't a good way for surgeons to sew the wound shut. Lots of soldiers were lost not to the wound itself, but infections.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at June 06, 2021 11:21 AM (HaL55)

32 Its almost like the Establishment in politics has adopted the traits of just about every ruling class ever in their contempt for those not in their club.
Posted by: Bete at June 06, 2021 11:14 AM (Ojki1)


Sure, yet when has it been done with so little coercion?

Posted by: TC at June 06, 2021 11:21 AM (IOaKQ)

33 You know who else doesn't care about grammar?
Posted by: Muldoon at June 06, 2021 11:18 AM

All of our universities' schools of education, apparently.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 06, 2021 11:21 AM (elNCO)

34 The Lincoln Project
@ProjectLincoln
The work of opposing fascism is as American as apple pie. As we again face the rise fascism - this time on our own shores - that work must continue. #DDay
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at June 06, 2021 11:20 AM (d9FiS)

Who are the fascists they're talking about? I probably shouldn't ask.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at June 06, 2021 11:22 AM (cSyAR)

35 If your rifle has the friendly appearance of a blunderbuss, we'll allow it.

For now.

Posted by: Justice Roberts, Newly Grown In Office at June 06, 2021 11:22 AM (fLVm1)

36 Lincoln Project isn't quite up on their history, are they?

D-Day was against Nazism, Anzio was against Fascism.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 06, 2021 11:22 AM (5p7BC)

37 When I was a kid, I had a toy gun with a rubber bayonet.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at June 06, 2021 11:23 AM (d9FiS)

38 My son's Mosin came with a bayonet. It's triangular.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 06, 2021 11:23 AM (kTF2Z)

39 Lots of soldiers were lost not to the wound itself, but infections.
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Puncture wounds are typically VERY infectious. I'd rather take a nasty slashing wound, as opposed to an ice pick wound.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 06, 2021 11:23 AM (7Fj9P)

40 Lincoln Project isn't quite up on their history, are they?
Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 06, 2021 11:22 AM

The only thing they're "up on" is teenage interns.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 06, 2021 11:23 AM (elNCO)

41 Sure, yet when has it been done with so little coercion?
Posted by: TC at June 06, 2021 11:21 AM (IOaKQ)

Right before the French Revolution?

Posted by: Bete at June 06, 2021 11:24 AM (Ojki1)

42 Puncture wounds are typically VERY infectious. I'd rather take a nasty slashing wound, as opposed to an ice pick wound.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 06, 2021 11:23 AM (7Fj9P)

Trotsky would agree.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at June 06, 2021 11:24 AM (cSyAR)

43 The 9th is less left but still left. It is like a 400 lb man losing 75 lbs. sure that is good. But he is still obese.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 06, 2021 11:24 AM (DlG3S)

44 38 My son's Mosin came with a bayonet. It's triangular.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 06, 2021 11:23 AM (kTF2Z)

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It wouldn't be made from the tooth of a sandworm, would it?

Posted by: Paul Atriedes at June 06, 2021 11:25 AM (fLVm1)

45 Interesting question. More people are killed by Knives, than Rifles.

So, are more people killed by Swiss Army knives than AR-15s? Both are subsets of the larger set.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 06, 2021 11:25 AM (oHd/0)

46 Who are the fascists they're talking about? I probably shouldn't ask.

What is their stance on Kancel Kulture? That single issue pretty much tells me what the rest of their fake "anti-fascistic" is like.
Do they support free speech or not? Are they fighting to keep us free or do they give in to every outrageous claim the anti-America progressives spew?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at June 06, 2021 11:25 AM (HaL55)

47 What is the bigger threat to public safety: the AR-15 in any form or the Governor of New York? If Cuomo's existence isn't unconstitutional then the AR-15 isn't.

If the Ninth Circus overturns this rare excursion into sanity and the Constitution, I want them slapped down so hard their great-grand children will feel pain.

Posted by: JTB at June 06, 2021 11:26 AM (7EjX1)

48 So, are more people killed by Swiss Army knives than AR-15s?
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You know what is deadly? The magnifying glass on Swiss Army Knives!

Posted by: The ants at June 06, 2021 11:27 AM (7Fj9P)

49 Can't we compromise? If you're going to use an AR-15, wear a mask.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at June 06, 2021 11:27 AM (d9FiS)

50 >>The work of opposing fascism is as American as apple pie.


And yet they support the CCP. They apparently have no idea what fascism actually is.

Posted by: Javems at June 06, 2021 11:27 AM (HSYox)

51
What is their stance on Kancel Kulture? That single issue pretty much tells me what the rest of their fake "anti-fascistic" is like.
Do they support free speech or not? Are they fighting to keep us free or do they give in to every outrageous claim the anti-America progressives spew?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at June 06, 2021 11:25 AM (HaL55)

People who agree with them are free to speak as much as they want.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at June 06, 2021 11:27 AM (cSyAR)

52 The hammer might be the greatest tool ever invented.


It's versatility is unmatched by anything I can think of.

Posted by: TC at June 06, 2021 11:27 AM (IOaKQ)

53 The AR-15 and the hammer are both tools. It takes some degree of skill to use either of them, yet both can kill.

If leftists and other retards would consider how idiotic their gun arguments are we'd all be better off.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 06, 2021 11:27 AM (3H9h1)

54 I scanned the decision when I saw the first article on it yesterday. (Yes, only scanned. It is 94 freaking pages!)

The judge really does a comprehensive takedown of California's defense of the law, addressing everything from the facts they entered in support of the law (non-existent), their expert witnesses (clueless to blatantly incompetent), actual facts regarding the AR-15 (it is not a machine gun), the various standards of review (the law fails on all of them), and everything in between.

It will be "interesting" to see California try to appeal this.

Posted by: Sam at June 06, 2021 11:27 AM (ohyxL)

55 "Other states with pending bills targeting critical race theory include Arizona, Louisiana, Missouri, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Utah."

Two of those states are surprising.

Sorry, I'm completely off topic today. I'll go back to lurking.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 06, 2021 11:28 AM (5p7BC)

56 Read the ruling. Judge does not shy from the originalist argument that the People are armed to not only defend themselves against Lawbreakers, but from a tyranical government.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 06, 2021 11:28 AM (oHd/0)

57 I acquired a bayonet from my FiL after he passed away, no idea what it was originally for or where he got it. Had to enlarge the barrel ring to make it fit my Brown Bess
https://i.postIMG.cc/LXfd4BYd/20180929-151533.jpg

Posted by: Skip at June 06, 2021 11:28 AM (Cxk7w)

58 It's versatility is unmatched by anything I can think of.

Hey now!

Posted by: The Wheel at June 06, 2021 11:29 AM (5p7BC)

59 Ownership of an AR-15, or similar rifle, is not only a right, it's a duty and I'd be fine with states making it mandatory. Every free man has a duty to be ready and willing to defend his family and community. If you aren't then you're a parasite.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at June 06, 2021 11:29 AM (jOcSX)

60 52 The hammer might be the greatest tool ever invented.


It's versatility is unmatched by anything I can think of.
Posted by: TC at June 06, 2021 11:27 AM (IOaKQ)


Axe. Hammer + knife.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 06, 2021 11:29 AM (8C7+r)

61 Deaths by blunt objects every year outnumber those by Carbines

Posted by: Skip at June 06, 2021 11:30 AM (Cxk7w)

62 Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at June 06, 2021 11:29 AM (jOcSX)

The new 1790 Militia Act? Works for me!

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 06, 2021 11:30 AM (oHd/0)

63 Right before the French Revolution?
Posted by: Bete at June 06, 2021 11:24 AM (Ojki1)


The starving peasants might just have a little quibble with that.

Posted by: TC at June 06, 2021 11:31 AM (IOaKQ)

64 Posted by: The Wheel at June 06, 2021 11:29 AM (5p7BC)

*****

Well looky here. What goes around comes around!

Posted by: Muldoon at June 06, 2021 11:32 AM (m45I2)

65 57 I acquired a bayonet from my FiL after he passed away, no idea what it was originally for or where he got it. Had to enlarge the barrel ring to make it fit my Brown Bess
https://i.postIMG.cc/LXfd4BYd/20180929-151533.jpg
Posted by: Skip at June 06, 2021 11:28 AM (Cxk7w)


I ordered one of those uppers helpfully posted in the past few days. Specifically for the bayonet lug. My other ARs lack that.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 06, 2021 11:32 AM (8C7+r)

66 That Swiss army knife did not fit my hand.

Posted by: O. J. Simpson at June 06, 2021 11:32 AM (XxJt1)

67 Do the Lincoln loggers define fascism?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 06, 2021 11:33 AM (63Dwl)

68 Last time I looked at the death statistics, death by poisoning was 3 times higher than death by gunshot and death by knife.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 06, 2021 11:33 AM (5p7BC)

69 I prefer a ball peen hammer. I not framing a house, I'm shaping metal pans.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 06, 2021 11:35 AM (7Tokq)

70 As an aside, verbiage is everything, designed to evoke a specific response. Of course this is used for good and bad, I suppose. There is no need for "weapons of war" in the hands of American Citizens!

So, I don't. I have a "Personal Defense Weapon", and you should too. Sounds better than that icky "assault" thingy. Nome Sayin'?

Posted by: Common Tater at June 06, 2021 11:35 AM (9LYIb)

71 Guess what was a weapon of war at the time the second amendment was written?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 06, 2021 11:35 AM (kTF2Z)

72 67 Do the Lincoln loggers define fascism?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 06, 2021 11:33 AM (63Dwl)


Ickey flyover people that they don't like.

Posted by: Javems at June 06, 2021 11:35 AM (HSYox)

73 Axe. Hammer + knife.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 06, 2021 11:29 AM (8C7+r)


Try pounding a nail or smashing rock with an axe or knife.

Posted by: TC at June 06, 2021 11:35 AM (IOaKQ)

74 "Congress shall make no law..."
There really is no ambiguity there.

Posted by: MkY at June 06, 2021 11:38 AM (Foq6I)

75 left is a AR, on right a Assault 16 Oz curved claw
Posted by: Skip at June 06, 2021 11:03 AM (Cxk7w)


Besides death, the tool on the right, the ubiquitous Estwing Hammer, causes Tennis Elbow because of the harmonics when you strike another object with it. If you don't want the "Elbow", use a hammer with a wooden handle. Straight grained Hickory is best.

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at June 06, 2021 11:38 AM (R5lpX)

76 I could be mistaken but I believe bashing weapons were the most commonly used weapons in war prior to the development of rifles. I include axes.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at June 06, 2021 11:39 AM (cSyAR)

77 Let the news morons lose their minds over an opening statement that has little relevance to the ruling. Judge Benitez, in a well thought out 94 page ruling, has laid out a very compelling argument in favor of equal rights among the states. It will be a long road, but I believe victory for equal gun ownership among the entire nation will prevail!

Posted by: John F Palmer at June 06, 2021 11:39 AM (Rq2yI)

78 It's a side issue, but I still don't get the "ban" thing. With all the idiotic, pointless, and unconstitutional restrictions, one can own an AR-15 in CA. And buy and sell such. There is no "ban".

But what is important is how the "judiciary" reacts to this. It's a direct confrontation of the internal lawlessness - repudiating Heller - that's gone on in the inferior courts for many years now.

Will SCOTUS finally address the historically unprecedented insurrection and anarchy within its own "system"? Country is so dumbed down and hollowed out now, one cannot have much confidence.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 06, 2021 11:39 AM (OTzUX)

79 The new 1790 Militia Act? Works for me!
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 06, 2021 11:30 AM (oHd/0)


Every man between 18 and 55 is required to own a semi-automatic rifle chambered in 5.56, with detachable magazine, 300 rounds of ammunition, and a first-aid kit containing gauze, clotting agents, and a tourniquet. Once every three years you have to demonstrate competence with your weapon by hitting a 12 inch target at 100 yards 15 times out of 20, walking a mile, and receiving a refresher on first aid. Conscientious objectors may forego the weapon and replace it with a larger first aid kit and more training in assisting emergency personnel.

Every young man at age 17 goes through "militia training" in high school, consisting of marksmanship, area search techniques, personal and vehicle searches, checkpoint operations, first aid, and specialized local training. For example, in areas with lots of flooding you might receive training in building levees. All this is overseen by the county sheriff.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at June 06, 2021 11:40 AM (jOcSX)

80 And maybe I should specify middle ages
So forget everything I just said.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at June 06, 2021 11:40 AM (cSyAR)

81 People who refuse to wear a mask at the grocery store. That's who doesn't care about grammar!!

Posted by: Muldoon at June 06, 2021 11:40 AM (m45I2)

82 Guess what was a weapon of war at the time the second amendment was written?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 06, 2021 11:35 AM (kTF2Z)


Keeping with the theme of this thread I'm going to guess a hammer or mallet.

Posted by: TC at June 06, 2021 11:40 AM (IOaKQ)

83 All this is overseen by the county sheriff.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile

Ahh...I see a problem there. Or not. Sure would make sure folks paid attention to who got elected sheriff.

Posted by: MkY at June 06, 2021 11:42 AM (Foq6I)

84 Ever try using that can opener on a Swiss Army knife?

I used to have scars where it collapsed and dug straight into my index finger.

Now THERE"S a dangerous weapon!

Posted by: Noam Sayen at June 06, 2021 11:43 AM (oKape)

85 Years back, a panel of the 9th dared the court to trample on SCOTUS by writing a ruling striking down concealed-carry laws (?), modeling the entire thing on the Heller ruling. Of course the larger en banc group did in fact over-turn the panel's decision, without hesitation.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 06, 2021 11:43 AM (OTzUX)

86 I'm a big fan of the Swiss Army knife!

Posted by: Weasel at June 06, 2021 11:43 AM (MVjcR)

87 Will SCOTUS finally address the historically unprecedented insurrection and anarchy within its own "system"? Country is so dumbed down and hollowed out now, one cannot have much confidence.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 06, 2021 11:39 AM (OTzUX)

There is no such thing as bad judges. A judje cannot be wrong, because a judge defines what is right!

Posted by: Obama Judge Julia Roberts at June 06, 2021 11:44 AM (GvEen)

88 the French Foreign Legion Pioneers (sappers) carry axes

Posted by: barbarausa at June 06, 2021 11:44 AM (W7IZQ)

89 Governor Murder Tits killed more people in less than one year than civilian owned AR's have killed.....ever.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at June 06, 2021 11:45 AM (jvt6t)

90 My FIL was bayoneted in the hand. As a POW, he attempted to grab a handful of grass to eat. That resulted in the wound. Became infected, was treated by wrapping maggots and a large band around his hand. As America stopped keeping POWs, he was turned over to the French. He remained a POW for years after the war ended. Used for farm labor.

Posted by: French Jeton at June 06, 2021 11:46 AM (85zsD)

91 73 Axe. Hammer + knife.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 06, 2021 11:29 AM (8C7+r)


Try pounding a nail or smashing rock with an axe or knife.
Posted by: TC at June 06, 2021 11:35 AM (IOaKQ)


Not talking double bit axe. Driven plenty of nails, tent stakes, and pitons with a single bit one.

Cut firewood, cleared fields of fire, and killed a snake for broiling with one, too.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 06, 2021 11:46 AM (8C7+r)

92 Bayonnets were very effective on the Zulu

Posted by: Desultory joe at June 06, 2021 11:47 AM (L9P9s)

93 IIRC, this is the same judge that over-turned California's ban on the purchase of normal capacity magazines.
Given past instances, there's a good chance that this will survive the three judge panel review by the 9th Circuit. But somehow the en banc hearings (which in the 9th Circuit are composed of a random selection of judges on the circuit) always end up being stacked with gun-grabbers.

Posted by: junior at June 06, 2021 11:49 AM (SkQiU)

94 I could be mistaken but I believe bashing weapons were the most commonly used weapons in war prior to the development of rifles. I include axes.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at June 06, 2021 11:39 AM (cSyAR)


I would think stabbing weapons were more prevalent. You have arrows, spears, knives and swords to name a few.


I think the bashing weapons would have been preferred by the physically large and strong.

Posted by: TC at June 06, 2021 11:49 AM (IOaKQ)

95 In an age where nobody on the left seems to know anything, I suppose I should not be shocked to see Noisome and Bonta conflate a legal "holding" with "obiter dictum", literally "things said in passing".

But I suspect they know the difference, and are deliberately misleading their brain-dead constituents.

Posted by: Noam Sayen at June 06, 2021 11:50 AM (oKape)

96 Dad was a framer for decades and preferred a half-hatchet (hatchet and hammer combo) for work.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at June 06, 2021 11:50 AM (jOcSX)

97 Yesterday I cleared a horrible jam in my 1911 with a brass rod, using the bottom of a Wilson mag as the "hammer". Not ideal. Have a small toolkit in range bag, does not include a hammer.

Have never had such a jam before. Lead SWC bullet, nose-down into the ramp. Stuck there like an m-effer - even great force doing all the conventional things would not move it. Gonna examine that mag today.

Rest of match proceeded normally - well, my shooting was horrific, but haven't shot that gun in a while, and was not focusing well. But no more jams.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 06, 2021 11:51 AM (OTzUX)

98 Bayonet...pfft....chain saw's the thing.

Posted by: BignJames at June 06, 2021 11:51 AM (AwYPR)

99 Does anyone know who brought this suit?

NRA or GOA or neither or both?

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 06, 2021 11:51 AM (R/m4+)

100 I'm a big fan of the Swiss Army knife!
Posted by: Weasel at June 06, 2021 11:43 AM (MVjcR)

Ditto!
Have carried the same one thru several wars over the last 35 years. I still have the tweezers and toothpick!

Posted by: Diogenes at June 06, 2021 11:52 AM (axyOa)

101 Spears were the most common weapon, but swords and clubs were common as well. In England the quarterstaff was a popular choice for self defense, along with the broadsword and buckler. Maces and poleaxes tended to be used by armored combatants such as knights, who needed to strike through armor.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at June 06, 2021 11:52 AM (jOcSX)

102 92 So we're the Assegai

( was close in selling but had to check)

Posted by: Skip at June 06, 2021 11:53 AM (Cxk7w)

103 Yep, same judge that created "freedom week" - during which CA residents could buy "high capacity" mags. Imagine if such common sense judicial behavior were the norm rather than the outlandish exception.

Guess I'll have to go to CalGuns to see the practical short-term impact, if any.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 06, 2021 11:54 AM (OTzUX)

104 I think the bashing weapons would have been preferred by the physically large and strong.
Posted by: TC at June 06, 2021 11:49 AM (IOaKQ)

Bones uncovered at the site of the Battle of Towton that ended the War of the Roses revealed gruesome injuries-skulls cut in half but also bashed in.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at June 06, 2021 11:55 AM (cSyAR)

105 3
Bayonets? Even during World War I, deaths from a bayonet attack were a vanishingly tiny number.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 06, 2021 11:03 AM (mht8P)


Banning weapons with bayonet lugs, removable muzzle devices, pistol grips, and adjustable stocks was done in 1994 because the oh-so-smart Leftists believed this would end production of new AR-pattern weapons in the US and end importation of AR- and AK-pattern weapons. And do the same to all other evil military weapons such as FAL's.

It didn't work, but the Leftists won't let go, because they've convinced enough dummies in our population that getting rid of weapons with "assault rifle" features will eliminate "mass shootings."

Tell that to the 9 killed two weeks ago by the scumbag unhappy worker in San Jose, CA, all executed with a pistol. Our Betters don't make much noise about mass shootings or killings by non-"assault guns" because it hurts their current plan: Getting enough public pressure on the courts make them totally ban civilian "assault gun" ownership. Once the courts do that, the next step will be to portray semi-auto pistols as big killers needing to be banned. Then shotguns. Then knives.

Posted by: Gref at June 06, 2021 11:55 AM (AMIL/)

106 Dad was a framer for decades and preferred a half-hatchet (hatchet and hammer combo) for work.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at June 06, 2021 11:50


A Shingle Hammer. Used when roofing material was often wood shakes, mostly Cedar. Used for splitting the shakes.

Also there's the Drywall Hammer, which usually had a square striking surface and the axe blade side was used to pry drywall over or to shave oversized boards.

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at June 06, 2021 11:55 AM (R5lpX)

107 Is Swiss Army cheese any good?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 06, 2021 11:55 AM (63Dwl)

108 Had a bullet jammed in my Brown Bess but in upper foot of barrel, drilled it out

Posted by: Skip at June 06, 2021 11:55 AM (Cxk7w)

109 Ever try using that can opener on a Swiss Army knife?

I used to have scars where it collapsed and dug straight into my index finger.

Now THERE"S a dangerous weapon!
Posted by: Noam Sayen at June 06, 2021 11:43 AM (oKape)

Were you using it right? I have used one many times, and you get the hook under the lip on the can, and lever up on the knife handle to force the cutter through the top of the can. The applied force naturally tend to keep the blade from folding.

It's actually a pretty effective can opener.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 06, 2021 11:56 AM (Qxzea)

110 I have a "multitool" thing in each vehicle. It has a blade among other useful tools. There's also a "throw away" .380 in each vehicle and a folder with a pin on the handle to break glass. Tools one and all.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 06, 2021 11:57 AM (3H9h1)

111 A spear is one of the easiest weapons to make (take a long, straight piece of wood, and make one end pointy), and is easy for the untrained to use (you just shove it forward).

Posted by: junior at June 06, 2021 11:57 AM (SkQiU)

112 I love my half-hatchet. It splits kindling, chops branches and pounds the occasional nail.

I got one just like it for my adopted grandson's fourth birthday. Yeah, I know, but they raise their kids differently here.

Posted by: creeper at June 06, 2021 11:57 AM (XxJt1)

113 111 A spear is one of the easiest weapons to make (take a long, straight piece of wood, and make one end pointy), and is easy for the untrained to use (you just shove it forward).
Posted by: junior at June 06, 2021 11:57 AM (SkQiU)

Got that right.....

Posted by: The Commanches at June 06, 2021 11:58 AM (jvt6t)

114 It's actually a pretty effective can opener.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 06, 2021 11:56 AM (Qxzea)

P-38...maybe the greatest can opener evah!

Posted by: BignJames at June 06, 2021 11:58 AM (AwYPR)

115 Not talking double bit axe. Driven plenty of nails, tent stakes, and pitons with a single bit one.

Cut firewood, cleared fields of fire, and killed a snake for broiling with one, too.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 06, 2021 11:46 AM (8C7+r)


I will concede your case for the axe as a more versatile tool.


I've used them for chopping wood and not much else.

Posted by: TC at June 06, 2021 11:59 AM (IOaKQ)

116 Rhomboid - I doubt there's an immediate short-term effect. The article I read on this yesterday mentioned that the judge gave the state 30 days to respond.
Wags noted that the deadline is Independence Day.

Posted by: junior at June 06, 2021 11:59 AM (SkQiU)

117 Looking back, there was a window of opportunity perhaps in the 1930s thru the 1960s where extensive firearms prohibitions (particularly handguns and rifles) could have been enacted and enforced. Perhaps leading to shotguns and maybe deer rifles allowed under extremely restricted ownership. America was relatively homogenous culturally, with a high degree of trust in their government and institutions.

Now? Forget it. People know better, trust in government is non existent, and "news" media and academia inciting riots. That ship has sailed, like it or not.

"Why does anyone need a 30 round magazine!?" A leftist asks rhetorically.

Yeah, turn on the fuckin' news, asshole. Your policies made it necessary. "Because Fuck You, That's Why" works for me.

Posted by: Common Tater at June 06, 2021 11:59 AM (9LYIb)

118 Used the Swiss can opener on the deceased.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at June 06, 2021 12:00 PM (VgIeo)

119 86 in shade out here on deck

Posted by: Skip at June 06, 2021 12:00 PM (Cxk7w)

120 This is what they are best at; obfuscating the real issues and inflating nonsense to ridiculous importance.

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It's certainly a powerful tactic for them, but it's only effective because of what they're actually best it: slow, steady and total institutional capture.

If they didn't completely control both education and media, none of this flat-out stupid rhetoric would fly... But they do, and it does.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 06, 2021 12:00 PM (yFG1M)

121 Got in a race with a buddy on a camping trip one time. He had a regular can opener and I had a P-38. I beat him by two twists of his handle, opening the same size can.

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at June 06, 2021 12:00 PM (R5lpX)

122 >>>Dad was a framer for decades and preferred a half-hatchet (hatchet and hammer combo) for work.<
>Dug one up some years ago at my old barn. It must be a 100 years old. Restored it, put a new handle on it, -- works like a champ.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 06, 2021 12:01 PM (7Tokq)

123 What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?

Posted by: creeper at June 06, 2021 12:01 PM (XxJt1)

124 P-38...maybe the greatest can opener evah!
Posted by: BignJames at June 06, 2021 11:58 AM (AwYPR)

I have seen them. I think they work on the same principle. But definitely good only for opening cans. The Swiss Army Knife is very versatile.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 06, 2021 12:02 PM (Qxzea)

125 I would actually argue that the left's ridiculous framing of different positions rarely "works" in the sense that it convinces a majority of Americans or persuades people to their side.

The Tranny argument is not winning with Americans, most of whom are viscerally opposed to it. The Voter ID argument REALLY is not winning with Americans, particularly blacks.

The only level at which it "works" is by flooding politicians with one viewpoint and blocking off any other, while they are isolated from their constituents.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 06, 2021 12:02 PM (KZzsI)

126 52 The hammer might be the greatest tool ever invented.

It's versatility is unmatched by anything I can think of.
Posted by: TC at June 06, 2021 11:27 AM (IOaKQ)

Flathead screwdriver? It screws! It scrapes! It pries! It stabs!

Posted by: Grimmy at June 06, 2021 12:02 PM (3MG/9)

127 Yeah, but the P-38 fits on a key chain.

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at June 06, 2021 12:03 PM (R5lpX)

128 If they didn't completely control both education and media, none of this flat-out stupid rhetoric would fly... But they do, and it does.

Right. They aren't actually succeeding in convincing anyone of their positions, but they frame everything in a way that's easy to use and lends its self well to the media, entertainment, and education (such as it is today).

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 06, 2021 12:03 PM (KZzsI)

129 I, too, have trouble with the Swiss can opener.
A Case Camper knife with can opener is easy.
Dunno, they look identical.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 06, 2021 12:04 PM (hOiNL)

130 52 The hammer might be the greatest tool ever invented.

It's versatility is unmatched by anything I can think of.
Posted by: TC at June 06, 2021 11:27 AM (IOaKQ)


You're welcome.

Posted by: Australopithecus at June 06, 2021 12:04 PM (AMIL/)

131 "..a direct threat to... innocent Californians"

Oh, oh! Now do abortion!

Posted by: Fool Otto at June 06, 2021 12:04 PM (DB16e)

132 Yeah, but the P-38 fits on a key chain.

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at June 06, 2021 12:03 PM (R5lpX)

P-38 and a church key...you're good to go.

Posted by: BignJames at June 06, 2021 12:04 PM (AwYPR)

133 Yeah, but the P-38 fits on a key chain.

The wings fold up on that model of airplane, right? That must be a really big key chain...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at June 06, 2021 12:05 PM (HaL55)

134 Posted by: The Wheel at June 06, 2021 11:29 AM (5p7BC)

*****

Well looky here. What goes around comes around!
Posted by: Muldoon at June 06, 2021 11:32 AM (m45I2)

***
Blessed are they who go in circles for they shall be known as wheels.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 06, 2021 12:05 PM (axyOa)

135 Flathead screwdriver? It screws! It scrapes! It pries! It stabs!
Posted by: Grimmy at June 06, 2021 12:02 PM (3MG/9)


Heh, it pries is probably the best the best thing that can said about it.

Posted by: TC at June 06, 2021 12:05 PM (IOaKQ)

136 I imagine the vast majority of people under 40 don't know what a church key is.

Posted by: Infidel at June 06, 2021 12:06 PM (E0OEG)

137 There's a can opener on both of the multitools I have. I can't use either one to open a can. But my dexterity is shot so....

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 06, 2021 12:06 PM (3H9h1)

138 Can we start pushing to overton window to the right regarding firearms using the Obamacare example? The left wants to ban most weapons, and we want to force all law abiding citizens to buy one, or pay a hefty fine, in the legally recognized national interest of defense.

We'll compromise that we drop the fine, but allow a $500 tax deduction for every weapon purchased in a year.

Posted by: Grimmy at June 06, 2021 12:06 PM (3MG/9)

139 Much of our nations "gun control" has been driven by events.

In the 1930's the criminal gang exploits hyped by the media led to the NFA.

JFK, RFK and MLK getting their asses shot led to the NFA: Gun Control II: Infringement Boogaloo.

Drug lords shooting up the streets, again hyped by the media led to NFA: Gun Control III: No Machine Guns For Thee.

The media hypes, the politicians pounce and your freedoms go away.

To be continued...

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 06, 2021 12:07 PM (R/m4+)

140 We'll compromise that we drop the fine, but allow a $500 tax deduction for every weapon purchased in a year.
Posted by: Grimmy at June 06, 2021 12:06 PM (3MG/9)

No standing, rube.

Posted by: John Boy Roberts at June 06, 2021 12:07 PM (jvt6t)

141 We're talking tools and no one has mentioned the tire iron? It's like I don't even know you people.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 06, 2021 12:08 PM (kTF2Z)

142 141 We're talking tools and no one has mentioned the tire iron? It's like I don't even know you people.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 06, 2021 12:08 PM (kTF2Z)

Heh.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at June 06, 2021 12:08 PM (jvt6t)

143 I've always held to the belief that Conservatives succeed to the extent they can make their intentions clear, the Left to the extent that they can obscure theirs.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 06, 2021 12:08 PM (yQpMk)

144
"Why does anyone need a 30 round magazine!?" A leftist asks rhetorically.

Why did Rosa Parks need to sit at the front of the bus?

Posted by: Getting the banned back together at June 06, 2021 12:09 PM (1hRUq)

145 123 What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
Posted by: creeper at June 06, 2021 12:01 PM (XxJt1)
----------------------

There you go again.
Always sticking to the point.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 06, 2021 12:09 PM (hOiNL)

146 Conservatives succeed to the extent they can make their intentions clear, the Left to the extent that they can obscure theirs.

I think that's a fair and just statement. Although lately, so many foolish young skulls have been corrupted that the left is less concerned about concealing their intent.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 06, 2021 12:10 PM (KZzsI)

147 The media hypes, the politicians pounce and your freedoms go away.

To be continued...
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 06, 2021 12:07 PM (R/m4+)You

***
Never underestimate the influence of a well placed shiv.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 06, 2021 12:10 PM (axyOa)

148 "Why does anyone need a 30 round magazine!?" A leftist asks rhetorically.

Have you not seen the size of the teeth on that vicious rabbit that lives in yon cave??

-Arthur King of the Britons

Posted by: Jak Sucio at June 06, 2021 12:10 PM (jvt6t)

149 P-38...maybe the greatest can opener evah!
========================
Remember how lucky you felt when you scored the over sized kind in C-rats?

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 06, 2021 12:11 PM (7Fj9P)

150 Remember how lucky you felt when you scored the over sized kind in C-rats?
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 06, 2021 12:11 PM (7Fj9P)

Or that first hit of aroma from the ham & lima beans??

Posted by: Jak Sucio at June 06, 2021 12:11 PM (jvt6t)

151 133 Yeah, but the P-38 fits on a key chain.

The wings fold up on that model of airplane, right? That must be a really big key chain...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at June 06, 2021 12:05 PM

They open more than cans!

Posted by: Admiral Yamamoto at June 06, 2021 12:12 PM (3MG/9)

152 Flood Newsom email with crap to counter his stupid public opinions.

Better than him getting zero pushback.

Next up should be California's ban on open carry of unloaded guns.That should be fun.The stupid is strong here.

Posted by: torabora at June 06, 2021 12:12 PM (9tV0B)

153 139 Much of our nations "gun control" has been driven by events.
---------------------------

Events that liberal/communists (always them) dramatized and capitalized on to further their control over free America.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 06, 2021 12:12 PM (hOiNL)

154 As more people are beaten to death with fists than ARs in this country, even the hammer isn't necessary to this point.

Fewer than 500 people were murdered with a rifle, of any type, in each of the past three years, according to the latest annual FBI statistics available.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 06, 2021 12:12 PM (yQpMk)

155 Between the can opener on a Swiss Army Knife and the folding P-38 can opener, both of which I have, the P-38 is by far the better can opener.

That being said, I have used the scissors on my knife to cut aluminum flashing and used the saw to cut 1x2 pieces of wood for survey stakes when I forgot to bring a saw. Used the knife blade to sharpen the stakes.

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at June 06, 2021 12:13 PM (R5lpX)

156 Have you not seen the size of the teeth on that vicious rabbit that lives in yon cave??


Look at the bones!

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 06, 2021 12:13 PM (yQpMk)

157 What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
============================
Leftists always, ALWAYS counter with "...in a WELL REGULATED militia...that means an ARMY!!" Yeah, well it doesn't: in the Founder's time, "well regulated" meant well supplied, NOT orderly or disciplined. Also, WE ARE the militia.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 06, 2021 12:14 PM (7Fj9P)

158 Or that first hit of aroma from the ham & lima beans??
Posted by: Jak Sucio at June 06, 2021 12:11 PM (jvt6t)


I always liked the ham and lima beans.
Am i weird?

Posted by: Diogenes at June 06, 2021 12:14 PM (axyOa)

159 "Why does anyone need a 30 round magazine!?"

Why does anyone need to yell "f**k" in a public place? Who cares? Rights are not defined by need. Your rights are inherent to being a human being and cannot be removed, only their free expression limited.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 06, 2021 12:14 PM (KZzsI)

160 The hammer might be the greatest tool ever invented.

Carry one 8 hrs a day, at least 5 days a week on my person, one in truck always.

Posted by: Skip at June 06, 2021 12:14 PM (Cxk7w)

161 You can always tell when the left is planning to do something especially egregious because the first step of their strategy is "disarm the populace."

Posted by: Emmie at June 06, 2021 12:15 PM (tcsxg)

162 I'd be willing to bet that more people in California are killed in a year by swiss any knives than AR 15s.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 06, 2021 12:15 PM (6FeV1)

163 I always liked the ham and lima beans.
Am i weird?
Posted by: Diogenes at June 06, 2021 12:14 PM (axyOa)

Nahh. They weren't bad, but always got a bad rap from a lot of the troops in basic when first encountered. Probably had more protein per serving than almost anything else.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at June 06, 2021 12:16 PM (jvt6t)

164 Amy. Any. A R M Y.

God dammit all to crap and back, autocucumber!

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 06, 2021 12:16 PM (6FeV1)

165 164 Amy. Any. A R M Y.

God dammit all to crap and back, autocucumber!
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 06, 2021 12:16 PM (6FeV1)

God damm Army.....

Posted by: Jeep Driver in MASH at June 06, 2021 12:17 PM (jvt6t)

166 The Swiss Army Knife is manufactured by two different firms, Wenger - "genuine" and Victorinix - "original". I may have their advertising claims swapped.

They are nice, make great gifts. Truth is, they do a lot of things, but nothing particularly really well. Serviceable blades, a can opener that works, a wine corkscrew, etc. Better than a sharp stick.

Posted by: Common Tater at June 06, 2021 12:18 PM (9LYIb)

167 I always liked the ham and lima beans.
Am I weird?
==========================
No, they're great, especially when doused with the hot sauce, I keep here in my purse.

Posted by: Hillary! at June 06, 2021 12:18 PM (7Fj9P)

168 My grandpa used to call a hammer a "polish army knife"....

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 06, 2021 12:19 PM (6FeV1)

169 No, they're great, especially when doused with the hot sauce, I keep here in my purse.
Posted by: Hillary! at June 06, 2021 12:18 PM (7Fj9P)

"C" stands for something else entirely in her C-rations...

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 06, 2021 12:20 PM (6FeV1)

170 I know I saw a set of AR furniture in SAK style, maybe SwissBianco?

Posted by: Jean at June 06, 2021 12:20 PM (Xih1H)

171 Between the .50 machine guns and the 20mm cannon, the P-38 can fire 4,000 rounds a minute. That'll open a lot cans.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 06, 2021 12:21 PM (yFG1M)

172 The CalGuns thread on this has several video clips of TV "news" reports on the story. I can't bear to look at them, of course. Knowing how absurdly ignorant and misinformed most people are on such topics, and how idiotic is the marinade of "news" in which they soak, is bad enough, no reminders needed.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 06, 2021 12:22 PM (OTzUX)

173 Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 06, 2021 12:21 PM (yFG1M)

In strafing/ground support versions of the B-25J Mitchell, it had as many as 10-12 forward firing .50 cals........ouch.

Posted by: Jeep Driver in MASH at June 06, 2021 12:23 PM (jvt6t)

174 off MASH sock

Posted by: Jak Sucio at June 06, 2021 12:23 PM (jvt6t)

175 I bet more people die from covid in nursing homes in New York than from AR15 shootings.

Do we need common sense Cuomo controls?

Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 06, 2021 12:24 PM (5iiCZ)

176 ....ouch.
Posted by: Jeep Driver in MASH at June 06, 2021 12:23 PM (jvt6t)

That must have sounded insane.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 06, 2021 12:24 PM (6FeV1)

177
Do we need common sense Cuomo controls?
Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 06, 2021 12:24 PM (5iiCZ)

See comment #89

Posted by: Jak Sucio at June 06, 2021 12:24 PM (jvt6t)

178 The PBJ (B-25 with all the .50s mounted in the nose) is an amazing looking thing. I'm sure some kind of ballast must have been used to counter the weight of all the ammo in trays in the nose. Used to be one on display at a local museum.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 06, 2021 12:25 PM (OTzUX)

179 when was the last person killed in the USA with a bayonette attached to a rifle?

If some clown tries to push in my front door, the handiest tool is an musket with a bayonet over the mantle. Tempted to keep it half cock with a buck and ball load, but kids ...

Posted by: Jean at June 06, 2021 12:25 PM (Xih1H)

180 You know who I as the a happy camper today? Jon Rahm, that's who.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 06, 2021 12:25 PM (kTF2Z)

181 Heh...
Bill Maher called universities "luxury daycare centers."

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 06, 2021 12:25 PM (7Fj9P)

182 The global corporate tax has come.The G7 has agreed on a global corporate tax of 15%.
But it's not inflationary.
We are the world.

"It has been the dream of campaigners and mainly European finance ministers for years. They would scarcely have believed it was possible until the past few months. But the need to fill coffers emptied by the pandemic, and the arrival of the Biden administration in the US, created a moment of opportunity."
[a perfect storm]

Posted by: Braenyard at June 06, 2021 12:26 PM (hOiNL)

183 "Liberalism" is a mental disorder.

I wish we lived in a society where people didn't really need to be armed walking out to their mailbox in suburbia. Really.

They caused this; full stop. The End. They are the proximate cause of every bit of this nonsense. So sure, we can take a walk down memory lane and think woulda coulda shoulda, but that ain't the workd we live in. Firearms are needed now, like it or not. It's at least nice there is some recognition that the statutory and fundamental right of self defense is recognized by some, because otherwise we're gonna be outlaws by dictat, by the very people who hate us and want us dead.

Posted by: Common Tater at June 06, 2021 12:27 PM (9LYIb)

184 tinyurl.com/5dp3trb8

A good representation of the B-25

Posted by: Jak Sucio at June 06, 2021 12:27 PM (jvt6t)

185 "There is no sound basis in law, fact, or common sense for equating assault rifles with swiss army knives"

Ah yes, the "common sense" argument from people who can't tell semi from auto or a clip from a magazine. Same crowd that thinks the sling swivel is "where you attach that thing that flips up"....


If they knew enough about the AR15 to acquire any common sense re it, they would know that one the major Pros for owners is that is versatile and can be easily customized, much like a... swiss army knife.

Posted by: Hoyt's Turkish Troll Provocateur at June 06, 2021 12:28 PM (83lwH)

186 In strafing/ground support versions of the B-25J Mitchell, it had as many as 10-12 forward firing .50 cals........ouch.
===========================
You're welcome.

Posted by: Pappy Gunn at June 06, 2021 12:28 PM (7Fj9P)

187 178 The PBJ (B-25 with all the .50s mounted in the nose) is an amazing looking thing. I'm sure some kind of ballast must have been used to counter the weight of all the ammo in trays in the nose. Used to be one on display at a local museum.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 06, 2021 12:25 PM (OTzUX)

They also carried a bomb load of 500 pounders. That should have helped.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at June 06, 2021 12:28 PM (jvt6t)

188 Owning an AR shouldn't be a duty, but should be a tax credit

Posted by: Jean at June 06, 2021 12:28 PM (Xih1H)

189 181 Heh...
Bill Maher called universities "luxury daycare centers."
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 06, 2021 12:25 PM (7Fj9P)

Waraiotoko called Bill Maher a wax brained joke lifting hack

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 06, 2021 12:29 PM (6FeV1)

190 Criminy. I make a crack about opening cans with a Lightning, then scroll up, and see that several other people have already done it, lol.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 06, 2021 12:29 PM (yFG1M)

191 The B-25J had 8 .50 cals in nose, 4 z50s in blister mounts on fuselage sides, and the top turret could be locked forward to add two more .50s making a total of 14 machine guns.

Buzzsaw

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 06, 2021 12:29 PM (ADEDD)

192 I think what twists my tail the most is that they are allowed to make these claims that their actions/laws will save lives but never challenged or asked to show the statistics that prove that they do/will save lives.

Also I'd like them to explain how a law will affect criminals (other wise know as LAW BREAKERS). People who are known to disregard normal/regular laws without a qualm.

Why would they obey THIS particular law they want passed? Please show proof.

Posted by: jakee308 at June 06, 2021 12:30 PM (gHWbw)

193 I grew up with a guy whose father was bayoneted pretty badly by a Japanese soldier. His father's hands were terribly scarred by trying to stop the soldier from killing him.

At the last second, an American soldier ran up and shot the Japanese in the head.

Posted by: Michael the Texan at June 06, 2021 12:30 PM (QQ6wR)

194 Buzzsaw
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 06, 2021 12:29 PM (ADEDD)

At some airshows, they have some with four on each forward fuselage, and the nose is solid (no glass) with four more. I'm sure they toyed with it as the war went on, but, yeah. Awesome firepower.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at June 06, 2021 12:31 PM (jvt6t)

195 There was a beautiful shot of a Catalina on Gab yesterday - whiskey women group

Posted by: Jean at June 06, 2021 12:31 PM (Xih1H)

196 But nothing gets your troops fired up to fight like the command: "Fix bayonets!"
Posted by: Diogenes at June 06, 2021 11:10 AM (axyOa)

No.

That would be LOOT! That's what gets the boys up to shoot.

Posted by: jakee308 at June 06, 2021 12:32 PM (gHWbw)

197 I can't imagine the feeling of pressing the Fuck You button on one of those monsters while bearing down on a target....

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 06, 2021 12:33 PM (6FeV1)

198 "Overturning CA's assault weapon ban and comparing an AR-15 to a SWISS ARMY KNIFE is a disgusting slap in the face to those who have lost loved ones to gun violence," recalled former California Gov. Gavin Newsom, a Democrat, said late Friday.

FIFY.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 06, 2021 12:34 PM (YqDXo)

199 Or that first hit of aroma from the ham & lima beans??
Posted by: Jak Sucio at June 06, 2021 12:11 PM

Are you sure "aroma" is the word you're looking for?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 06, 2021 12:34 PM (elNCO)

200 It's somewhat ironic that the left works so very hard to ban things they don't like, but works so very hard to force things nobody but them want down everyone else's throat.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 06, 2021 12:34 PM (3H9h1)

201 Swiss Army knife is a great analogy, because the Swiss citizen militia keep their rifles at home in case of emergency.

Also, I've had to deal with CA's "feature list" gun regulation in the past and it truly is a paragon of bureaucratic derpitude. Good riddance.

Posted by: CppThis at June 06, 2021 12:36 PM (8h1h1)

202 Posted by: Common Tater at June 06, 2021 12:27 PM (9LYIb)



I like this reminder that our crime and lawlessness has fundamentally been caused by the liberals themselves.

I'ma gonna remember this one.

Posted by: jakee308 at June 06, 2021 12:36 PM (gHWbw)

203
"We've replaced Gavin's hair gel with Hoppe's #9 gun cleaning solvent. Let's see if he notices."

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at June 06, 2021 12:36 PM (2iDSr)

204 It is hatefully binary to call all black guns assault weapons. There must be at least 53 levels of weaponry.

Posted by: Delurk Ergo Sum at June 06, 2021 12:36 PM (SmFPm)

205
I always liked the ham and lima beans.

Am i weird?

Posted by: Diogenes at June 06, 2021 12:14 PM

Yep. Those things were nasty especially if they were cold. A fatty gelatinous mess in a can.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 06, 2021 12:37 PM (JUOKG)

206 Gunn's original Mitchell strafer had upto 4 in the glass nose and and 4 on the sides. There is a specific modification number for this, either D-1 or D-2.

North American made the J solid nose a complete field kit so a glass nosed J could be turned into a strafer. This kit was even fitted to some C/D model Mitchells.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 06, 2021 12:37 PM (ADEDD)

207 It's somewhat ironic that the left works so very hard to ban things they don't like, but works so very hard to force things nobody but them want down everyone else's throat.

Edwards wasn't wrong when he said there was two Americas, he was merely wrong that he divided it based on economics as if there's an absolute wall between poverty and success that none can scale.

There's the leftist America with a completely alien worldview, religion, and goals from the rest of America.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 06, 2021 12:37 PM (KZzsI)

208 "Overturning CA's assault weapon ban and comparing an AR-15 to a SWISS ARMY KNIFE is a disgusting slap in the face to those who have lost loved ones to gun violence," California Gov. Gavin Newsom, a Democrat, said late Friday.

"Instead we'll be issuing Saturday night specials to everyone in the ghetto so they can protect themselves from those white supremacists with "assault weapons."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 06, 2021 12:37 PM (YqDXo)

209 " I have a "Personal Defense Weapon", and you should too. Sounds better than that icky "assault" thingy. Nome Sayin'?"

Agreed, but that detracts from the main point.

1) the 2nd is intended for self-defense a government gone bad
2) the government has weapons of war
3) ergo to be equally armed so should we

Otherwise you open the door to arguments that the government can infringe on the 2nd Amendment. And why would you give a potential enemy the power to disarm you?

That would be like building a wall around Rome but giving the keys to the city gate to the barbarian hordes waiting to pillage it.

Posted by: Hoyt's Turkish Troll Provocateur at June 06, 2021 12:38 PM (83lwH)

210 Or that first hit of aroma from the ham & lima beans??
Posted by: Jak Sucio at June 06, 2021 12:11 PM

AKA: "Ham and Motherf*ckers"

I hated lima beans BEFORE I got in the service.

Posted by: jakee308 at June 06, 2021 12:38 PM (gHWbw)

211 Air war is more barbaric than ground war?


After a lot of thought my answer is... YES.

Posted by: TC at June 06, 2021 12:38 PM (IOaKQ)

212 Is this the gun thread?

Posted by: Jean at June 06, 2021 12:39 PM (Xih1H)

213
It's somewhat ironic that the left works so very hard to ban things they
don't like, but works so very hard to force things nobody but them want
down everyone else's throat.


That was perhaps the biggest reason for changing our masculine society into a feminine one. A man will say "No" to a bad idea. It's also why there's so much electronic peer pressure on us Normals to conform to what the progtards think is a "good person."
You know what? I don't care what those weaklings think. I will not comply. Ever.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at June 06, 2021 12:39 PM (HaL55)

214 It is hatefully binary to call all black guns assault weapons. There must be at least 53 levels of weaponry.

This has the advantage of not just being ironically amusing to mock their "gender" nonsense, but actually accurate and truthful.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 06, 2021 12:39 PM (KZzsI)

215 No D-Day remembrance graphics at Google. Somebody ought to tell them there were nazis assaulted that day by American gays.

Posted by: Monsieur Gaga at June 06, 2021 12:39 PM (4ZE6o)

216 "a disgusting slap in the face to those who have lost loved ones to gun violence"

Right Gavin, that's what I was going for when I compared the versatility of the AR-15 to a Swiss Army Knife. SMH.

Posted by: Hoyt's Turkish Troll Provocateur at June 06, 2021 12:39 PM (83lwH)

217 The founding fathers envisioned a nation in which the populace was armed, but the government had no standing army. Let that sink in.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 06, 2021 12:39 PM (KZzsI)

218 179 when was the last person killed in the USA with a bayonette attached to a rifle?

If some clown tries to push in my front door, the handiest tool is an musket with a bayonet over the mantle. Tempted to keep it half cock with a buck and ball load, but kids ...
Posted by: Jean at June 06, 2021 12:25 PM (Xih1H)


Personally, I'm going for one of my many swords. I'm a good boi and keep the guns unloaded and locked up like all the various gun groups and political types tell me to. But there is no such dialogue on edged weapons, so...

Posted by: CppThis at June 06, 2021 12:40 PM (8h1h1)

219
"There is no sound basis in law, fact, or common sense for equating assault rifles with swiss army knives"



Ah yes, the "common sense" argument from people who can't tell semi
from auto or a clip from a magazine. Same crowd that thinks the sling
swivel is "where you attach that thing that flips up".... Posted by: Hoyt's Turkish Troll Provocateur at June 06, 2021 12:28 PM

Ah yes, the common sense clause in the constitution. Article XIX section 97(b).

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 06, 2021 12:40 PM (JUOKG)

220 ============================
Leftists always, ALWAYS counter with "...in a WELL REGULATED militia...that means an ARMY!!" Yeah, well it doesn't: in the Founder's time, "well regulated" meant well supplied, NOT orderly or disciplined. Also, WE ARE the militia.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 06, 2021 12:14 PM (7Fj9P)


The "militia" part was a simple attempt to explain their reasoning. It doesn't matter if that reasoning is totally flawed. What matters is the law they followed it with..."the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

That is the law. Period.

Posted by: creeper at June 06, 2021 12:40 PM (XxJt1)

221 Air war is more barbaric than ground war?


After a lot of thought my answer is... YES.
Posted by: TC

For who, the Airedales having to forgo linens at mess in their air conditioned quarters

Posted by: Jean at June 06, 2021 12:41 PM (Xih1H)

222 I hated lima beans BEFORE I got in the service.

-----------

My mom always hated them. Really hated them. Rest of us liked 'em enough, but we couldn't have them with her around. She says the texture is "repulsive." I feel that way about okra.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 06, 2021 12:41 PM (yFG1M)

223 212 Is this the gun thread?
Posted by: Jean at June 06, 2021 12:39 PM (Xih1H

Every thread is the gun thread on AoSHQ.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at June 06, 2021 12:41 PM (jvt6t)

224 What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
============================
Leftists always, ALWAYS counter with "...in a WELL REGULATED militia...that means an ARMY!!" Yeah, well it doesn't: in the Founder's time, "well regulated" meant well supplied, NOT orderly or disciplined. Also, WE ARE the militia.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin


A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.[/b

Italics - dependent clause.
Bold - Complete sentence.

Afternoon all.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 06, 2021 12:41 PM (OCTRt)

225 We really should frame the argument that the 2A was immortalized in print for the DEFENSE of the citizen.

Whether that's from foreign enemies, enemies within or without and criminals and other wrong doers. And of course our OWN government.

They fully recognized that any government has the potential and historically always has turned into the prime oppressors of it's citizens.

History shows that quite explicitly.

People don't understand how erudite our founders were. They were well educated in History both recent and classical. Having been taught to read and speak Greek (a lot of them) they could actually read the accounts from Athens and it's citizens. Same with Latin and the Roman Republic/Empire.

Posted by: jakee308 at June 06, 2021 12:42 PM (gHWbw)

226 I was told this was the gum thread and had a long comment all about selling bubble gum in high school ready to go

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 06, 2021 12:42 PM (KZzsI)

227 ...and the ginger thread, the bewb thread, the chili thread, the french toast with maple syrup thread.....oops.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at June 06, 2021 12:43 PM (jvt6t)

228 "Also I'd like them to explain how a law will affect criminals"

It's common sense: when people disobey your gun laws the obvious solution is to pass more gun laws for them to disobey.

Posted by: Hoyt's Turkish Troll Provocateur at June 06, 2021 12:43 PM (83lwH)

229 418th Night Fighter Squadron in 1943 in the jungles of New Guinea lined up and cheered when their mess facility burned down.

There came a point when they had reached their limit of bully beef and silver beets.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 06, 2021 12:43 PM (ADEDD)

230 It appears that SCOTUS might take up the draft quesiton. $hit is gonna get lit if they rule that women have to register too. And the freaky deaky femi nazi's deserve it if that happens.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 06, 2021 12:44 PM (JUOKG)

231 The militia argument is stupid. Every red state could open up their militias and sell full auto guns to members.

Posted by: Jean at June 06, 2021 12:44 PM (Xih1H)

232 "my bodyguards consist of a well-regulated militia. You rabble do not"
--Elites

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 06, 2021 12:45 PM (KZzsI)

233 Everyone knows that the NY Daily News is several rungs below the "seriousness" of MSNBC or maybe The World Daily News of Bat Boy fame, if you can sink that low on the silly scale.

Today they reached for the gold: "Trump-loving Rep. Elise Stefanik announces pregnancy!" they giggle...get it? Its meant to make you snicker, well, in a 13 year girl type of way. But MSN has these immature idiots headlined, because they never pass up a moment to have a good giggle with their sisters in the 8th grade gym locker room.

Posted by: Boswell at June 06, 2021 12:45 PM (5iUNf)

234 "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."

A well informed Congress, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and read Books shall not be infringed.

That's not about libraries.

Posted by: Hoyt's Turkish Troll Provocateur at June 06, 2021 12:45 PM (83lwH)

235 No D-day remembrance at Bing either.
.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at June 06, 2021 12:45 PM (i8/Ca)

236 The Left loves to dance around this, but the "gun violence problem" is more accurately described as the "ghetto violence problem."

And the ghetto violence problem does not involve legally obtained weapons, but rather illegally obtained ones passed from hand to hand to hand. Jill Leovy, in "Ghettoside," says that the LAPD considers it pointless to try to link a particular gun to a particular person more than a week after a shooting.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 06, 2021 12:45 PM (YqDXo)

237 It appears that SCOTUS might take up the draft quesiton. $hit is gonna get lit if they rule that women have to register too.

I've long thought that the best way to end the mandatory selective service is to include women.

The military has long been on record opposing a general draft, and modern military doctrine really does not need floods of warm bodies to throw at the enemy in any case.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 06, 2021 12:46 PM (KZzsI)

238 Killing bad people who want you to submit to their demands/kill you isn't barbaric. It's how civility is secured amongst free people. Everyone has a God-given right to live their lives in peace, free from aggressive violence and intimidation.

This country wouldn't exist without war.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at June 06, 2021 12:46 PM (HaL55)

239 BLEM PSA 16" M4 CARBINE-LENGTH 5.56 NATO 1/7 PHOSPHATE CLASSIC RIFLE KIT, BLACK

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Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 06, 2021 12:46 PM (yQpMk)

240 It's worth noting that the wise Latino judge in this case openly admitted he wasn't familiar with the AR-15 and arranged for law enforcement to let him see one. Without the bayonet attachment, of course.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 06, 2021 12:46 PM (6XLoz)

241 I became suspicious about the left when I realized that they held opinions but didn't apply them to their ideas. Or applied ideas to our opinions but not theirs.

Such as "my body, my choice". Which is a good argument at least about certain things. (murder of a child not being one of them)

So why don't they honor our choice of self defense mechanism? They want to force everyone to either use their fists or (try) to run away from an attacker or otherwise submit.

Just that one postulate of theirs thrown back in their face can stymie many an argument. Shuts them right the hell up.

Posted by: jakee308 at June 06, 2021 12:47 PM (gHWbw)

242 I may watch Saving Private Ryan at some point today. The first 30 minutes is what every yute needs to watch and then ask themselves if they could have done what they did.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at June 06, 2021 12:47 PM (jvt6t)

243 That's not about libraries.

Good way of illustrating the wording and point of the amendment. In order to get to Point A, you need Point B to be universally applied.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 06, 2021 12:47 PM (KZzsI)

244 230 It appears that SCOTUS might take up the draft quesiton. $hit is gonna get lit if they rule that women have to register too. And the freaky deaky femi nazi's deserve it if that happens.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 06, 2021 12:44 PM (JUOKG)


No, no. Arguments for equality of the sexes only pertain to good things, not for the bad things. Men get to keep those.

OTOH, initiating the draft for women would almost certainly reverse the decline in birth rate.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 06, 2021 12:48 PM (YqDXo)

245 The cops and the military are full of white supremacists! Also, they're the only ones who should have guns!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 06, 2021 12:48 PM (kTF2Z)

246 Have a massive book Air War and has chapters grabbing bits throughout WWII, Kenny's Kids I think ( haven't looked at it in some time) has the story with the ground straffing B-25. Another favorite of mine was Ploiesti and only partially successful raid.

Posted by: Skip at June 06, 2021 12:49 PM (Cxk7w)

247 "a disgusting slap in the face to those who have lost loved ones to gun violence"

Right Gavin, that's what I was going for when I compared the versatility of the AR-15 to a Swiss Army Knife. SMH.
Posted by: Hoyt's Turkish Troll Provocateur at June 06, 2021 12:39 PM (83lwH)


Kate Steinle not available to say "fuck off, Brylcreem".

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at June 06, 2021 12:49 PM (y7DUB)

248 Just recently a guy in the town South of here shot a guy who came after him with a hammer. I suppose it happens more than you would expect.

Posted by: f'd at June 06, 2021 12:49 PM (Tnijr)

249 Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 06, 2021 12:45 PM (YqDXo)

It can be atomized even further in that it is a gender and melanin content of the skin.

Deaths/injuries are predominantly a phenomenon of the areas with the largest populations of POC. And has been for as long as I've been living.

Posted by: jakee308 at June 06, 2021 12:50 PM (gHWbw)

250 OTOH, initiating the draft for women would almost certainly reverse the decline in birth rate.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 06, 2021 12:48 PM (YqDXo)

Lol. Draft babies.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 06, 2021 12:50 PM (6FeV1)

251 The military has long been on record opposing a general draft, and modern military doctrine really does not need floods of warm bodies to throw at the enemy in any case.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 06, 2021 12:46 PM (KZzsI)


My late father, a lifer in the USMC, said that the military doesn't want draftees. They're more trouble than they're worth, and about the time they're trained, their hitch is up, and before then they're a pain in the butt.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 06, 2021 12:50 PM (YqDXo)

252 250 OTOH, initiating the draft for women would almost certainly reverse the decline in birth rate.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 06, 2021 12:48 PM (YqDXo)

Lol. Draft babies.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 06, 2021 12:50 PM (6FeV1)


"Lessee, what is the secret weapon to getting out of the draft? Oh wait, I know - I'm sitting on it!"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 06, 2021 12:51 PM (YqDXo)

253 Just recently a guy in the town South of here shot a guy who came after him with a hammer. I suppose it happens more than you would expect.
Posted by: f'd


Hammers are more prevalent. I've got half a dozen in the garage sitting in the workbench or hanging on the wall. All the guns except two are locked up.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 06, 2021 12:52 PM (OCTRt)

254 Every argument about so called gun control bills down to this:

Murder is already illegal.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 06, 2021 12:52 PM (6FeV1)

255 It's a disgusting slap in the face of those who have lost loved ones to be told that THE GUN was responsible for the loved ones death.

I've never had one of my firearms get up load itself and go out and have a shooting spree.

Posted by: jakee308 at June 06, 2021 12:52 PM (gHWbw)

256 It can be atomized even further in that it is a gender and melanin content of the skin.

Deaths/injuries are predominantly a phenomenon of the areas with the largest populations of POC. And has been for as long as I've been living.
Posted by: jakee308 at June 06, 2021 12:50 PM (gHWbw)


Yeah, I was being polite. Per the CDC, the leading cause of death of black men 15-35? Homicide. By other black men.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 06, 2021 12:52 PM (YqDXo)

257 The value of the draft is basically as a means of organizing largescale mobilization in times of war, when there are lots of volunteers. Basically you can tell the flood of young men who show up at the recruiting station, "gone home, we'll let you know when and where to report."

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at June 06, 2021 12:52 PM (jOcSX)

258 "Why does anyone need a 30 round magazine!?" A leftist asks rhetorically.

Well Mr Lefty, since you are obviously psychic, look forward in time to my home invasion and tell me: how many perps will be coming through the front door?

It's 3am and my adrenaline is fighting my grogginess from the 2 glasses of red wine I had at dinner. So if I have to fumble with my magazine in the close quarters of a house, with perps rushing me from 10-15 ft away, odds are good they will overpower me and kill me.

How about we test this on your family first?

Posted by: Hoyt's Turkish Troll Provocateur at June 06, 2021 12:52 PM (83lwH)

259 Gen MacArthur once asked Gen Kenney what was wrong.

Kenney said he had five problems - 1. MacArthur's staff, 2 the supply pukes, 3 the Navy, 4 the weather, and the Japs were fifth.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 06, 2021 12:52 PM (ADEDD)

260 So why don't they honor our choice of self defense mechanism? They want
to force everyone to either use their fists or (try) to run away from
an attacker or otherwise submit.


Progs and leftards (BIRM) have no respect for anyone or anything but themselves. And haven't for decades.
And they're mysteriously incapable of putting themselves in someone else's situation to see how they would feel, even for a second. I don't grok that at all.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at June 06, 2021 12:53 PM (HaL55)

261 Lessee, what is the secret weapon to getting out of the draft? Oh wait, I know - I'm sitting on it!"
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 06, 2021 12:51 PM (YqDXo)

"Sorry, Pete, it doesn't work that way."

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 06, 2021 12:53 PM (6FeV1)

262 No D-day remembrance at Bing either.
.
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at June 06, 2021 12:45 PM (i8/Ca)


If they had what percent of Americans would have got it?


I would guess 7-9 percent at most.

Posted by: TC at June 06, 2021 12:53 PM (IOaKQ)

263 "Never mind that their arguments make no sense. It is the emotional aspect that is important. And it works."

True, and unfortunately it works because those that are vulnerable to emotional appeals on this specific issue are not amenable to an appeal supporting our position. They just want to hear things that support the position they already want.

For any political ideology you will find at least some issues where people are vulnerable to a specific emotional appeal.

But hey look in the bright side (or maybe not bright), ultimately all the jawing will be pointless. Rhetorical devices aren't a substitute for a parachute after being tossed out of a helicopter.

Posted by: somedood at June 06, 2021 12:53 PM (qFRAe)

264 254 Every argument about so called gun control bills down to this:

Murder is already illegal.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 06, 2021 12:52 PM (6FeV1)


Then we just need to make it illegaler.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 06, 2021 12:54 PM (YqDXo)

265 jeez, i like lima beans ... and I like okra, too.

but I do draw the line at insects of all varieties.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 06, 2021 12:54 PM (VnT7U)

266 " initiating the draft for women would almost certainly reverse the decline in birth rate."

In Operation Desert Shield (or Storm?) a Medical ship had to be pulled because the women all got preggers so they could go back home.

Posted by: Hoyt's Turkish Troll Provocateur at June 06, 2021 12:55 PM (83lwH)

267 What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
============================
Leftists always, ALWAYS counter with "...in a WELL REGULATED militia...that means an ARMY!!" Yeah, well it doesn't: in the Founder's time, "well regulated" meant well supplied, NOT orderly or disciplined. Also, WE ARE the militia.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 06, 2021 12:14 PM (7Fj9P)

They also were precise enough to use 3 different terms: Militia, State, and People.
The right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Pretty clear to all but wannabe tyrants.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 06, 2021 12:55 PM (z79tQ)

268 My late father, a lifer in the USMC, said that the
military doesn't want draftees. They're more trouble than they're worth,
and about the time they're trained, their hitch is up, and before then
they're a pain in the butt.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 06, 2021 12:50 PM

I enlisted at the end of the draft era for Vietnam. The drill Sergeants in boot camp gave extra rations of hell to the draftees because they were the guys who deferments finally ran out.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 06, 2021 12:55 PM (JUOKG)

269 The military has long been on record opposing a general draft, and modern military doctrine really does not need floods of warm bodies to throw at the enemy in any case.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor,

True, but society needs the winnowing and curing process that the draft provides. I would like to see some States try a STATE draft directly into 2y hitches in the State Guard with lots of exemptions for school, work, etc.

It would serve several purposes - 1) Motivate the shiftless and undecided 18yos, 2) help those that do get called to move on in life, and 3) chase the true weasels out of State.

Posted by: Jean at June 06, 2021 12:55 PM (Xih1H)

270 We need draftees in the military. Maybe not in the front lines but somewhere.

Why? because then our military is not a mercenary force. Mercenary forces throughout history have a very bad reputation.

Think how much they've gotten away with now since they are an all volunteer force. Don't like what they do? Fine. Leave.

Back in the day there was at least the possibility of fighting something using the UCMJ.

I think the worst thing was our military being an all volunteer force. Sure it looks good so far but the prospects are not good. One Commander in Chief with a propensity for tyranny and it's all over.

Posted by: jakee308 at June 06, 2021 12:55 PM (gHWbw)

271 In Operation Desert Shield (or Storm?) a Medical ship had to be pulled because the women all got preggers so they could go back home.

Posted by: Hoyt's Turkish Troll Provocateur at June 06, 2021 12:55 PM (83lwH)


Yep. That's the kind of thing I was thinking of.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 06, 2021 12:57 PM (YqDXo)

272 My late father, a lifer in the USMC, said that the
military doesn't want draftees. They're more trouble than they're worth,
and about the time they're trained, their hitch is up, and before then
they're a pain in the butt.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 06, 2021 12:50 PM

He does have a point. And with exceptions, the Marines were a volunteer force. Some positions should be draftees. It would also allow more fighters that were volunteers to be at the front.

Posted by: jakee308 at June 06, 2021 12:57 PM (gHWbw)

273 "It is the emotional aspect that is important. And it works."

Yes I know a otherwise very intelligent woman who supported a gun control measure because it was asserted by adjective as "Common Sense Gun Control", and who in their right mind with vote against common sense?

She took Rhetoric 101, so she already knew the No True Scotsman fallacy...

Posted by: Hoyt's Turkish Troll Provocateur at June 06, 2021 12:57 PM (83lwH)

274 but I do draw the line at insects of all varieties.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 06, 2021 12:54 PM (VnT7U)

#MeToo
That line is survival. If I need to eat bugs to survive, I will, but I will be one pissed off mofo at whomever is responsible for that state of affairs.

Unless it's God.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 06, 2021 12:58 PM (z79tQ)

275 Is today DeWine unmasking day? I saw lots of non zombies at the grocery store.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at June 06, 2021 12:58 PM (y7DUB)

276 "138 Can we start pushing to overton window to the right regarding firearms using the Obamacare example? The left wants to ban most weapons, and we want to force all law abiding citizens to buy one, or pay a hefty fine, in the legally recognized national interest of defense.

We'll compromise that we drop the fine, but allow a $500 tax deduction for every weapon purchased in a year.

Posted by: Grimmy at June 06, 2021 12:06 PM (3MG/9)"


I hope you are considering running for office wherever you are !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 06, 2021 12:58 PM (VnT7U)

277 In Operation Desert Shield (or Storm?) a Medical
ship had to be pulled because the women all got preggers so they could
go back home.





Posted by: Hoyt's Turkish Troll Provocateur at June 06, 2021 12:55 PM

Had a buddy that was the personnel office on the Carl Vinson. They almost had to miss a deployment because so many women in engineering got pregnant at the same time and had to be sent back. They flew a COD off one day that had over a dozen pregnant female Nukes on it and the ship's paper ran a cartoon the next day with a picture of the plane being catapulted with a "baby on board" sign on the back. The Skipper threw a fit when he saw it.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 06, 2021 12:59 PM (JUOKG)

278 So if I have to fumble with my magazine in the close quarters of a house,

Just how big is that magazine he's fumbling with?

Posted by: Northern lurker at June 06, 2021 01:00 PM (cSyAR)

279 Kind of the pre gun thread thread

Posted by: Skip at June 06, 2021 01:00 PM (Cxk7w)

280 I maintain that an Israeli/Swiss style conscription program would lead to a more stable, less derpy civic culture.

Posted by: CppThis at June 06, 2021 01:00 PM (8h1h1)

281 UP NEXT
PRE FOOD THREAD THREAD NOOD

Posted by: Skip guy who says NOOD at June 06, 2021 01:01 PM (Cxk7w)

282 "My late father, a lifer in the USMC, said that the military doesn't want draftees. They're more trouble than they're worth, and about the time they're trained, their hitch is up, and before then they're a pain in the butt."

YES. Former Infantry Marine here, and they last our NCOs need to is to have their time wasted babysitting malcontents who don't want to be there. I think Marines are more hardass about this because our Corporals are given much more responsibility than other branches (no offense to Navy intended...)

And "NCOs are the backbone of the Marine Corps". Mess with that and everything falls apart and we're no better than... Army

Your late Father is a wise man.

Posted by: Hoyt's Turkish Troll Provocateur at June 06, 2021 01:02 PM (83lwH)

283 I wonder if Gavin knows what the British were up to when they set out for Concord?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 06, 2021 01:02 PM (kTF2Z)

284 Any current sources of 9mm subsonic out there, have access to a full auto, suppressed uzi next weekend

Posted by: Jean at June 06, 2021 01:02 PM (Xih1H)

285 ...said that the military doesn't want draftees. They're more trouble than they're worth...

They don't want queers, communists, or transexuals either, but they got 'em. Congress made 'em. Or somethin'.

In theory a draft is equitable and makes sure that a good cross representation of society is what makes up the force. And it keeps people paying attention to just what stupid fucking wars are being waged on the other side of the world. With an "all volunteer" force, a lot of people tune that out. "Eh, they volunteered for that" is their thinking.

Posted by: Common Tater at June 06, 2021 01:02 PM (9LYIb)

286 I would have sent out draft notices on 9/15/2001. The kind that said go get a physical and drug test, and here's your date to takes the ASVAB. Staff it for a return to a 2-4M man land force, and stand-up division/brigade HQ for a full 100 division force. Then started dropping IDIQ contracts to fill the TOE.

The ISI would have noticed.

Posted by: Jean at June 06, 2021 01:02 PM (Xih1H)

287 No DDay programs running on the History Channel. Amazing.

Posted by: Jen the original at June 06, 2021 01:03 PM (E5n6x)

288 Liberals like cave men children who wander in tall grass. "What is lion?" they would say. Last thing they say. Now lions gone, but foolish children still not understand dangers and responsibility to protect themselves and tribe... yet live to reproduce, make more foolish children, then move to retirement communities in Florida and drive very slow.

Posted by: Grog at June 06, 2021 01:04 PM (+XI10)

289 "Just how big is that magazine he's fumbling with?"

I don't know AR-15s but I assume same as the M16A2 mag.

Posted by: Hoyt's Turkish Troll Provocateur at June 06, 2021 01:06 PM (83lwH)

290 Well eventually people who are interested or were involved are dead or otherwise occupied.

The Celebration of the Battle of the Coral Sea was abandoned in '67. Only twenty five years after. Otherwise Australia might have become Japanese and the US would've had a lot harder time going offensive with the Japanese. Also lots of resources the Japanese needed.

Oh well. Soon Woodstock and the Age of Aquarius will disappear too. All the boomers are getting old or dead.

Posted by: jakee308 at June 06, 2021 01:07 PM (gHWbw)

291 "In theory a draft is - "

No. Just no.

Imagine this applied to other parts of the government, like Air Traffic Controllers or Police...

Posted by: Hoyt's Turkish Troll Provocateur at June 06, 2021 01:08 PM (83lwH)

292 "Some positions should be draftees. It would also allow more fighters that were volunteers to be at the front."

Please no. Not everyone that volunteers wants to be go Infantry. And logistics is our lifeblood, I don't want some malcontent deciding if/when we get food ammo and medicine.

Posted by: Hoyt's Turkish Troll Provocateur at June 06, 2021 01:12 PM (83lwH)

293 No D-day remembrance at Bing either.
.
Posted by: Ray Van Dune
---------
Other than that picture of Normandy.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 06, 2021 01:12 PM (5p7BC)

294 186 In strafing/ground support versions of the B-25J Mitchell, it had as many as 10-12 forward firing .50 cals........ouch.
===========================
You're welcome.

Posted by: Pappy Gunn at June 06, 2021 12:28 PM (7Fj9P)


Those planes were truly devastating doing anti-shipping work in the Bismarcks and along the New Guinea coast. The hulls and upperworks of barges and most freighters were like cardboard for .50 caliber bullets. The upperworks of Japanese destroyers (and everyone else's) were one-quarter-inch steel, or less - not very good against .50 bullets, especially concentrated .50 fire.

Posted by: Gref at June 06, 2021 01:16 PM (AMIL/)

295 "Some positions should be draftees. It would also allow more fighters that were volunteers to be at the front."

Please no. Not everyone that volunteers wants to be go Infantry. And logistics is our lifeblood, I don't want some malcontent deciding if/when we get food ammo and medicine.
Posted by: Hoyt's Turkish Troll Provocateur

Nation Building = NG Draftees

Posted by: Jean at June 06, 2021 01:20 PM (Xih1H)

296 Rented the newer version of Midway to watch with the kids last night. Tried to double up and watch The Longest Day today, and could not find it anywhere on our cable tv. How is that even possible on the anniversary?

Posted by: Tofer732 at June 06, 2021 01:21 PM (kUGet)

297 293 No D-day remembrance at Bing either.
.
Posted by: Ray Van Dune
---------
Other than that picture of Normandy.
************
And the caption: "Mulberry Harbour at Arromanches-les-Bains, Normandy, France."

derp

Posted by: Noam Sayen at June 06, 2021 01:47 PM (oKape)

298 224 What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
============================
Leftists always, ALWAYS counter with "...in a WELL REGULATED militia...that means an ARMY!!" Yeah, well it doesn't: in the Founder's time, "well regulated" meant well supplied, NOT orderly or disciplined. Also, WE ARE the militia.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin


A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.[/b

Italics - dependent clause.
Bold - Complete sentence.
*******************

If the meaning were clear, the Supreme Court would not have taken the case and *held* that the 2nd declared an individual right to keep and bear.

Posted by: Noam Sayen at June 06, 2021 01:53 PM (oKape)

299 LONG thread on twitter today attacking this decision, consistently calling the AR-15 a "weapon of war"

To which I ask what nation chooses the AR-15 as it's main battlefield weapon?

Posted by: Ken Udigit at June 06, 2021 02:01 PM (fBtlL)

300 AR-15 stands for "Automatic Reload that fires 15 clip drums a second"!!!

GOOGLE IT, PEOPLE!!!!


/s

Posted by: Ken Udigit at June 06, 2021 02:02 PM (fBtlL)

301 For anyone who's been around the military, imagine what led to the Mulberries being in place soon after D-Day. Someone on Ike's staff realized that the Allies in Normandy would need x,000 tons of supplies per day, and until Cherbourg was captured, there would be no way to get that kind of supplies to the armies. So the concept of an artificial harbor was thought up. Someone decided that 2 of them would be a good idea (thankfully, as one was destroyed by a storm a few days after the landing), but not 3, not 4. Then someone designed it, someone found a way to build it, someone let the contracts and got them deployed to the embarkation ports in southwest England, tugs were assigned and units were designated to construct them. And so on.
It's said that D-Day was the largest undertaking ever organized in human history. I believe it.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 06, 2021 02:06 PM (BMmaB)

302 Guns don't kill people.

Socialists do.

Posted by: Ken Udigit at June 06, 2021 02:11 PM (fBtlL)

303 Assume the #gunsense loons succeed in outlawing arms.

About 3 microseconds later thousands of full-auto, milspec AK-47s would be pouring across the southern border.

Posted by: Ken Udigit at June 06, 2021 02:12 PM (fBtlL)

304 "Here, I stole this gun. Could you run a background check on me?"

said no criminal ever

Posted by: Ken Udigit at June 06, 2021 02:13 PM (fBtlL)

305 There is no conflict over the right to bear arms if you can read a simple declarative English sentence.

Posted by: Ken Udigit at June 06, 2021 02:14 PM (fBtlL)

306 The two murder victims I have known were both beaten to death - one with a hammer. The only gunshot injury I knew was self inflicted - a shot to the hand while clearing a jam. He lived.

Posted by: TwoDogs at June 06, 2021 02:15 PM (vKXws)

307 "Find something that, taken out of context, seems odd or discordant. Then hammer the trivial point home, conflating the unimportant with the substantive."

It seems to be of a Motte and Bailey type argument.

Posted by: InCali at June 06, 2021 02:52 PM (ov5G+)

308 Any current sources of 9mm subsonic out there, have access to a full auto, suppressed uzi next weekend
Posted by: Jean at June 06, 2021 01:02 PM (Xih1H)


Google 9MM subsonic. It's available, but pricey.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 06, 2021 05:09 PM (fqVfv)

309 depends on what the word "is" is.

or some such bullshit political legal crap they come up with.

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