It's Over: Boehner, Boehner's Establishment Allies, and Democrats Unite to Fund Obama's Executive Amnesty


I'm personally done with this party.

In fact, I will vote for Democrats.

An old communist friend of mine voted for Bob Dole.

Why? Because this communist was convinced, inaccurately, as it would later turn out, that he would never see his dream of a communist USA via conventional politics, and therefore his hopes were pinned on outright revolution.

And as far as revolution, there are four words to remember: The worse, the better.

It is now clear that none of us will see the America we want via any kind of politics that includes the Republican Party. Ergo, they must be erased from the pages of history as quickly as possible, so that a better party can replace them.

So I'm now a Democrat. The worse, the better.

It may be time to begin supporting things like an increase in the minimum wage, too:


He's talking about the National Association of Restaurants which, of course, would prefer to hire immigrants over Americans. Actually, restaurants have been doing that for like 30 years; they wish to do it legally.

So if they're going to fight for cheaper labor, let us then mandate that all labor must cost $15/ hour, no exceptions, so that they do not get their wish.

My politics is now entirely punitive.

Oh, by the way, conservatives are now reduced to begging Republicans not to save Obamacare.

Begging, actually.


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1 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 03, 2015 03:24 PM (kff5f)

2 I'll get the others.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 03, 2015 03:24 PM (kff5f)

3 So I'm now a Democrat

So am I!

Posted by: John Boehner at March 03, 2015 03:24 PM (eytER)

4 Viva la revolucion! Eat shit Boehner!

Posted by: Bruce Jenners Plastic Vag at March 03, 2015 03:24 PM (qVlEG)

5 So odd how even our resident apologists have been utterly silent on this fiasco.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 03, 2015 03:25 PM (xSCb6)

6 So, Team Biden then?

Posted by: Lauren at March 03, 2015 03:25 PM (MYCIw)

7 Democrat? I'd call myself a shit eater before I called myself a Democrat.

Posted by: scottythrust at March 03, 2015 03:25 PM (E3dap)

8 We're all democrats now

Posted by: GOP Big Money Donors at March 03, 2015 03:25 PM (Tj+s6)

9 Because I'm nice.

AtC, in case you came here directly, and did not see my corgi-call in the previous thread.

Bunker warning.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 03, 2015 03:25 PM (kff5f)

10 So on a day when a real leader came in and talked about the folly of trusting your enemies, about the importance of standing for what's right even if you must stand alone...

The GOP caves.

Fuckers.

Posted by: @JohnTant at March 03, 2015 03:26 PM (eytER)

11 Hooboy, we have reason to whine. I don't know how constructive it is, but sometimes you just have to say, WTF?

Posted by: Seems Legit at March 03, 2015 03:26 PM (A98Xu)

12 What sluggards, what cowards have I brought up in my congress, who care nothing for their allegiance to voters. Who will rid me of this meddlesome Speaker??

Posted by: Henry II at March 03, 2015 03:26 PM (vC6Bj)

13 I'm personally done with this party.




I had planned on giving them until the 2016 primaries and then deciding. I have already given up now.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 03, 2015 03:26 PM (wlDny)

14 ace,
Do you promise -- PROMISE -- not to replay 2012? I really don't want to read you endorsing Jeb in a year. It will make me sad.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 03, 2015 03:26 PM (AkOaV)

15 This talk of revolution isn't helping The People, comrade.

Posted by: tsj017 at March 03, 2015 03:27 PM (Ygje4)

16 I'm with ya Ace

Posted by: BuckIV at March 03, 2015 03:27 PM (mE/ao)

17 At least vacate the chair...

Posted by: Valiant at March 03, 2015 03:27 PM (4rlxS)

18 Does the fact that 70% of Republicans voting against it but 100% of Democrats voting FOR Amnesty mean anything?

I think we have a leadership problem, I'm certainly not going to back the opposition that created this crisis and is willing to make this country a banana republic in order to get its way.

Posted by: McAdams at March 03, 2015 03:27 PM (GMMEG)

19
I'm joining the Democrats, too, but not for the same reasons as Ace.

I'm with the Democrats now because I'm sick of being with The Losers. I want to be with winners.

Posted by: Dbamon Soothsayere at March 03, 2015 03:27 PM (omuEe)

20 Right now I will not vote for any candidate that is not somewhere to the right of Lord Humongous

Posted by: Bruce Jenners Plastic Vag at March 03, 2015 03:27 PM (qVlEG)

21 So we had 75 RINOs/DIABLOs voted with the Dems.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 03, 2015 03:27 PM (wlDny)

22 Posted by: Lauren at March 03, 2015 03:25 PM (MYCIw)

Haha oh boy. Draft Biden 2016!!! said nobody ever.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 03, 2015 03:27 PM (AkOaV)

23 What someone should do is get the first vote and compare it to the second vote to find weasels that Boner let off the hook so they could vote against the bill and look good.



Those are the guys not to trust.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 03, 2015 03:27 PM (0FSuD)

24 My code for the last several years has been "I might vote Republican, but I'll never vote Democrat", but it might be changing to "I'll never vote Republican or Democrat."


I just can't bring myself to vote Donk.


I'm sure Political Hat will be in shortly to tell us, unironically, how we've got time for our own Long March.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 03, 2015 03:27 PM (xSCb6)

25 This is why I left the GOP and joined the ACP two years ago...


Here, I'll link it again.


http://tinyurl.com/makgkjr

Posted by: Country Singer at March 03, 2015 03:28 PM (8hctH)

26 Like they don't see your Dem vote and say "Look people want more Leftism".

They don't listen to the socons (the biggest, loudest, hardest volunteering chunk of the base) over simple obvious abortion stuff, why would they listen to Morons when they can point to the press lying and run scared?

Posted by: DaveA at March 03, 2015 03:28 PM (DL2i+)

27 Now Choom Boy is REALLY Too Big To Impeach!

Does Boner do it Reggie-style?

Posted by: MrScribbler at March 03, 2015 03:28 PM (P8YHq)

28 Can I say... " I told you so" yet?

Posted by: BB Wolf, retired Sailor at March 03, 2015 03:28 PM (qh617)

29 Posted by: McAdams at March 03, 2015 03:27 PM (GMMEG)

If boehner needed the votes of those 70%, he would have them.

See TARP.

It's a game -- Boehner lets them protest vote knowing he doesn't need them to pass the legislation. Then they owe him a favor down the road.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 03, 2015 03:28 PM (AkOaV)

30 A no confidence vote and new elections would be nice. But then we'd just get more of the same.

If you strike Boehner down, 3 more will just pop up in his place.

Posted by: brak at March 03, 2015 03:28 PM (Tj+s6)

31 Not all. Political Hat was here the other day insisting that to vote to give Democrats all of the power was madness. WTF JUST HAPPENED? They gave the Democrats all of the power!

Let.

It.

Burn.

Posted by: Biff Boffo at March 03, 2015 03:29 PM (h/dV9)

32 Yeah, I can't handle the taint of voting for these scumbags. I'll just stay home and not donate.

Posted by: bledsoe at March 03, 2015 03:29 PM (g7SfB)

33 I'd wonder if Boehner scheduled Bibi as cover for this, but no way he's that much of a playa.

Posted by: tsj017 at March 03, 2015 03:29 PM (Ygje4)

34 Gosh, winning Congress sure did send a message to Obama and Co.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 03, 2015 03:29 PM (LA7Cm)

35 Welcome to the dark side Ace. We have cookies too.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 03, 2015 03:29 PM (WNERA)

36
An you know what?

Nearly every single one of those 167 Republicans voted No just to cover their phony asses come re-election time.

So FUCK YOU to all you Republicans who voted No.

Posted by: Dbamon Soothsayere at March 03, 2015 03:29 PM (omuEe)

37 Fuck that Cheetoh-colored, drink-addled, chain-smoking, limp-dicked, spineless, gelded turncoat piece of shit sideways with a flaming, razor-wire-wrapped pineapple.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 03, 2015 03:29 PM (2Ojst)

38 F*ck. Even Brat voted for it!

Posted by: Joe bar at March 03, 2015 03:29 PM (dHHIr)

39 Ready For Hillary, then?

Posted by: Joe Mama at March 03, 2015 03:30 PM (r1jgF)

40 I'm not going to vote Democrat, but I will happily vote third party, even a pitiful, hopeless third party.

Posted by: TexasDan at March 03, 2015 03:30 PM (6tXy4)

41 Posted by: Dbamon Soothsayere at March 03, 2015 03:29 PM (omuEe)

Exactly.

If Boehner needed them, he'd have them. They know how the vote is going to go before they get to the floor.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 03, 2015 03:30 PM (AkOaV)

42 Go with the Dems.

Take all you can get.

The only rule to remember is DO NOT GET CAUGHT!

Posted by: rd at March 03, 2015 03:30 PM (k19Aq)

43 CAN NOT watch shep. Weather channel.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 03, 2015 03:30 PM (0FSuD)

44 I am so angry and disgusted with these jizz-swillers I could puke.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 03, 2015 03:30 PM (2Ojst)

45 I am a democrat now too. Fuck 15 bucks an hour..... Make it $50 and hour. Everyone guaranteed a living wage. I am still going to keep the guns I lost in the boating accident though.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at March 03, 2015 03:30 PM (fLKzW)

46 Can never vote dem. Ever. I have to be able to shave and NOT slit my throat.

I just won't vote.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 03, 2015 03:30 PM (mndtc)

47 "I just can't bring myself to vote Donk."


Won't vote Donk, I just won't vote. Like I haven't been doing really for years.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 03, 2015 03:30 PM (LA7Cm)

48 Posted by: Insomniac at March 03, 2015 03:29 PM (2Ojst)

aint nothing wrong with being a chain smoker

Posted by: Obama, now with 25% more choom at March 03, 2015 03:30 PM (AkOaV)

49 It seems like only yesterday that we were so excited about the huge gains in November.

I'm done with the Republicans too. I like Boehner about as much as I like the JEF. Sad day in so many ways.

Posted by: Afroman at March 03, 2015 03:31 PM (VkxjI)

50
The worse the better is what we'll likely get. I fully expect President High Cheekbones.

Don't know that I'm down with purposely crashing the car in the ditch, though. I spent a lot of time in actual commie hellholes and they're not nice.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 03, 2015 03:31 PM (JtwS4)

51 So are we to conclude that McConnell and Boehner listened to the same 2/3 of the people who didn't vote in the last election that our Low Information President was listening to?

Posted by: Furious George at March 03, 2015 03:31 PM (UlJ3l)

52 Do Not Taunt Happy Fun Ewok.

Posted by: Garrett at March 03, 2015 03:31 PM (r75HN)

53 Ace, you've got sway. Start a third party. I'm with ya.

Who gives a fuck how successful it is at first. It might even take off.

UKIP is marginally successful for a new party in Britain (I know that you can't really compare, yada yada...)

Let's do this.

Whatdyasay?

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 03, 2015 03:31 PM (BZAd3)

54 PriorThread:
yet so keep burning up the phones.

Ooops,
I'd like to replace the phone burn with reverse Cartman embedded V-Chip Taser, so whenever they piss off enough of the base that we're jumping up and down swearing they get zapped.

Posted by: DaveA at March 03, 2015 03:31 PM (DL2i+)

55 aint nothing wrong with being a chain smoker
Posted by: Obama, now with 25% more choom at March 03, 2015 03:30 PM (AkOaV)

"Chain" is what Barry calls my dick. Shhh, don't tell anybody else!

Posted by: Reggie Love at March 03, 2015 03:31 PM (2Ojst)

56 Welcome to reality Ace. I gave upnonbthe republican party about 2009 when they sat and watched Obamacare get rammed thru on christmas eve in the dead of the night. Republicans need to go the way of the Whigs. Sooner teh better.

Posted by: fugazi at March 03, 2015 03:31 PM (VwMli)

57 "Ready For Hillary, then?"


Fcuk it, why not? Let's get this fire really roaring and hot.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 03, 2015 03:31 PM (LA7Cm)

58 I'm all in. When does the shooting start?

Posted by: brainpimp at March 03, 2015 03:32 PM (zosQc)

59 So no more Hassert rule?

Posted by: SH at March 03, 2015 03:32 PM (gmeXX)

60 Of course, I unattached myself as a nominal Republican awhile ago.


I'm just wondering how many more times some people are going to keep breaking up with them.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 03, 2015 03:32 PM (xSCb6)

61 As an impoverished graduate student at Miami U (OH), I waited tables in the crappy restaurant, in the crappy hotel, in the crappy Congressional district represented by Boehner. His royal orangeness would come in occasionally to pound down 16oz of prime rib, which he would order without ever making eye contact.

I always regret never having spit in his food.

Posted by: YourMomKeepsTexting at March 03, 2015 03:32 PM (mkZdv)

62 Why is anyone surprised? The GOP establishment wants cheap landscapers as much as the Dems do.

Remember, the GOP is the Washington Generals. They're playing a part, and not actually trying to win.

Posted by: gewa76 at March 03, 2015 03:32 PM (S9rS1)

63 Posted by: Afroman at March 03, 2015 03:31 PM (VkxjI)

I was excited in 2010. When I watched how that played out, I stopped getting exciting about election "wins" because they tend to look an awful lot like election "losses" except now I'm expected to justify everything these idiots in DC do.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 03, 2015 03:32 PM (AkOaV)

64 Team GrOPe for the WIN!!

Posted by: Penfold at March 03, 2015 03:32 PM (Fbt5B)

65 Eventually, it will all become Detroit.

Posted by: Feh at March 03, 2015 03:33 PM (ied4u)

66 I'm all for deliberately voting D to take out some of these scumbags only to get an actual conservative in later. But I don't think I want to purposely give the dems entire control of everything. They can do a lot of damage in two years of unopposed power- just look at '09-10.

Posted by: OSUsux at March 03, 2015 03:33 PM (DFXmi)

67
>>>And as far as revolution, there are four words to remember: The worse the better.

I can not get behind this. This kind of thinking leads to Obama and stuff we can't reverse and a world in flames. Incrementally better is still better.

If people hadn't sat out last election we might have had Romney.

Posted by: Lea at March 03, 2015 03:33 PM (lIU4e)

68 Servers still make 2.13 an hour.

Posted by: teh dave at March 03, 2015 03:33 PM (jcpQL)

69 Hillary/Boehner 2016!

Posted by: Svenbarri, knows all, sees all at March 03, 2015 03:33 PM (wAQA5)

70 I'm tired of all the orange goo pumped up into my backside by this execrable Ohio congresspuke. Virginia doesn't have party affiliation with voter registration, so I have nothing to change on that front, but I'm going to write a check to the local Democrat party, and in the memo field write, "On behalf of John Boehner", and send a pic of that check to this execrable Republican. Not one more goddamn vote for ANY member of that party, and let's tell the ones still left that we might otherwise have voted for they need to leave that party if they ever want another vote.

Who knew that "R" stood for democRat? Always thought those follow-on letters were the first letter of their affiliation.

Fuck 'em all.

Don't just let it burn - light a match and pour some gasoline. Not in that order :-)

Posted by: Orange goo at March 03, 2015 03:33 PM (nJIZA)

71 Go with the Dems.

Take all you can get.

The only rule to remember is DO NOT GET CAUGHT!
Posted by: rd at March 03, 2015 03:30 PM (k19Aq)
*******
If you're a dem it doesn't matter if you get caught. There are no repurcussions

Posted by: Truck Monkey at March 03, 2015 03:33 PM (fLKzW)

72 "I'm personally done with this party."

You've said that before ace. I changed my party status to an I as a symbolic protest years ago, but it is time to do something more than a symbolic gesture now.

It is time for us to plot a legal course of action to retake control of the conservative party.

Here in KS, Milton Wolf put a decent scare into the GOPe before Senator
Depends got really desperate. Then the sneaky-snake pretend independent
Orman really got gramps trembling. We could have just as easily tossed Roberts, but no, we needed to take control of the Congress so we could really show the world what a bunch of cheese eating surrender monkeys the GOPe is, amiright?

Unless/until somebody comes up
with a better solution, I think that's a good place to start. It is
time to start challenging the GOPe every time we get a chance now.

I
don't want to destroy the conservative party, but until it starts
respecting the basic conservative core principles, I'm up for some SMOD as
long as they keep acting like the liberal lights they really are.

It is time for us to organize, FUND and start getting the attention and respect we deserve.

A
great place to start would be by listing those who are on the front lines.
Those suing for FOIA documents on the IRS and other scandals, etc. They should be listed, commended and supported.

Posted by: 2L at March 03, 2015 03:33 PM (TaO1J)

73 If you strike Boehner down, 3 more will just pop up in his place.

This is unproven.
If we had a mechanism to strike once it would probably work 3 more times.

Posted by: DaveA at March 03, 2015 03:33 PM (DL2i+)

74 Can we at least get a fucking man to run us into the ground? i don't think I can take 8 years of nagging (Hillary or Fauxcahantas) or bitching (neutered Obama-like male).

Posted by: Lauren at March 03, 2015 03:33 PM (MYCIw)

75
Your Republican party at work.

Being unaffiliated feels good today.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 03, 2015 03:33 PM (1Y+hH)

76
It's like being a life-long fan of the Houston Astros or Detroit Lions -- perennial LOSERS.

Today I am a fan of the Yankees of Politics...the Democrats.

Posted by: Dbamon Soothsayere at March 03, 2015 03:33 PM (omuEe)

77 Oh, here you are.

I knew you'd all catch up eventually.

Plenty of room for everyone. Have a seat, make yourself comfortable. Feel free to play with matches and LET IT BURN!

Posted by: DrewM. at March 03, 2015 03:34 PM (8dNrT)

78 What a bunch of crybabies.

Get a clue. The rest of the country doesn't hate Mexicans.

Obama would have just vetoed any DHS funding bill that "defunded" this EO, anyway. Last time I counted, there aren't enough members to over-ride a veto.

Stop tilting at windmills.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at March 03, 2015 03:34 PM (ljZD2)

79 Anyone need a paper shuffler with moderate tech skills for their stronghold in the wilds? I really need my exit strategy refined a tad...

(No, I didn't lose my job. Just keeping an eye to the future.)

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented Christian Objectivist at March 03, 2015 03:34 PM (DT3rQ)

80 The problem with that protest is it only leads to more Leftism.

If a large bloc of conservatives started voting Democrat out of spite, no one would say "Gee, we better shift to the Right, otherwise they're going to keep voting Democrat" It would be the exact opposite.

A 3rd Party at least registers your frustration. I'm not there yet, if there was truly an Amnesty bill and a majority of Republicans voted for such a bill, I'd be done with them. But NOT funding Homeland Security is a different animal in my view.

My view was to defund it, but I was under no illusion that politically it would have been an epic trainwreck.

Posted by: McAdams at March 03, 2015 03:34 PM (GMMEG)

81 just keep passing whatever they want as long as the market stays up

Posted by: GOP Big Money Donors at March 03, 2015 03:34 PM (Tj+s6)

82 #WeAreAllTinaNow

And the GOPe is Ike.

Posted by: Furious George at March 03, 2015 03:34 PM (UlJ3l)

83 Dats' how to lick my nancy-boy girly shoes

Posted by: President Barak at March 03, 2015 03:34 PM (W6iIX)

84 They already have unopposed power!!!! What are you looking at? Jesus!

Posted by: Biff Boffo at March 03, 2015 03:34 PM (h/dV9)

85
Nothing new here.

Posted by: Svenbarri, knows all, sees all at March 03, 2015 03:35 PM (wAQA5)

86 And as far as revolution, there are four words to remember: The worse, the better.

How cute. You think that you'd win.

Revolution? Destroying Everything? "Make it burn"?

That's exactly what the Left wants.

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 03, 2015 03:35 PM (0Ew3K)

87 Oh, here you are.

I knew you'd all catch up eventually.


Off my lawn, bitch, I claimed this turf years ago.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Unrepresented Christian Objectivist at March 03, 2015 03:35 PM (DT3rQ)

88 ***Ready For Hillary, then?***



What difference, at this point, does it make?


Seriously?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 03, 2015 03:35 PM (xSCb6)

89 "My politics is now entirely punitive."

Seems the only way to go at this point.

That's one of the Alinsky rules: make your opponent live up to his own standards, because he can never do this completely.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 03, 2015 03:35 PM (lHHyw)

90 The fact that 167 voted against this bill today is meaningless. What is meaningful is the number of Republicans that voted to elect Boehner speaker again.

My rep voted no. What am I supposed to do, tell him that I won't vote for him, even though he votes 95% of the time as I would want him to vote?

So I can vote instead for a democrat/marxist who wont vote as I would want virtually 100% of the time?

All you people who childishly think that having the country go full marxism as fast as possible because of payback or some idiotic thing ought to go talk to someone who escaped such a country. Maybe you might put a little more thought into your statements. Goes for you too, Ace.

Posted by: Jen the original at March 03, 2015 03:35 PM (zuDPz)

91 There was a pimping of DHS funding/amnesty from "The American Action Network"--a "right-wing action tank"--during Limbaugh's show today. I just kept saying, "Fuck you," over and over as it played. Good thing I'm working from home today rather than the quiet cubicle farm.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at March 03, 2015 03:35 PM (+FyX1)

92 Posted by: trumpetdaddy at March 03, 2015 03:34 PM (ljZD2)

You busybody totalitarians never tire of telling people what to do, do you?

Posted by: Meremortal at March 03, 2015 03:35 PM (1Y+hH)

93 some lawyer wanna bee called into Rush last week and made a point I considered valid:

when courts decide on lawfulness of Exec action, they look to see if Congress is:

neutral
for
against

the action.

now it's officially FOR FUCKING AMNESTY, this makes white house case in judicial branch stronger.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at March 03, 2015 03:35 PM (wlWrh)

94 Posted by: Lea at March 03, 2015 03:33 PM (lIU4e)

Oh, come on! The R's are just as bad as the D's, except they smile to our face before they stab us in the backs.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 03, 2015 03:35 PM (AkOaV)

95 Welcome to team 'help it burn' Ace.

The big internal squabble now is whether to burn it with thermite or phosphorous.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at March 03, 2015 03:36 PM (zauWW)

96 The Burning Times(TM) - they won't be here nearly as quickly as most of us think. But they are a-comin', amigos. A-comin' they are.

Posted by: DocJ at March 03, 2015 03:36 PM (zrsn3)

97 2 seconds of thought and you can see conservatives were to tipping point for the republicans taking over house and senate. Without the conservative vote they lose. They continue to crap in our mess kits and expect us to not notice? I don't think so.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 03, 2015 03:36 PM (WNERA)

98 I'm with you, ace. 100%.

Posted by: gm at March 03, 2015 03:36 PM (/kBoL)

99 I changed my party affiliation last week. I don't mind being an Independent, but I would rather be something else. Something conservative.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 03, 2015 03:36 PM (BZAd3)

100 wow, yeah, I think it's time to form CANTORPAC the goal of which is to punish every GOP pol who fucked us over on this. starting with boehner.

a 2 year saturation campaign of every republican in the district could do it.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at March 03, 2015 03:36 PM (wlWrh)

101 69 If people hadn't sat out last election we might have had Romney.
Posted by: Lea at March 03, 2015 03:33 PM (lIU4e)


Managing a decline is NOT the same as someone who will or try to reverse course.

Sorry. Mitt would not do anything to defang the Leviathan and restore the Constitution.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 03:36 PM (CMkNk)

102 My rep voted no. What am I supposed to do, tell him that I won't vote for him, even though he votes 95% of the time as I would want him to vote?

------

Yes. I think that is the only way to change this. Conservative congressmen are facing no real penalty here, so it works for them. I'm sure they prefer Conservative policies enacted, but first and foremost is to get elected and stay in the majority.

Mission accomplished.

Posted by: SH at March 03, 2015 03:36 PM (gmeXX)

103 I'm not angry. New this would happen from day 1.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 03, 2015 03:36 PM (ZPrif)

104 I keep asking myself. Should I just go ahead, sell all my shit, and leave the country? I mean, why not. This country is becoming no better than any other country. It's been fundementally transformed. And most of it has happened in just six short years. It's going to get worse.

Two more years. And even then the leftists will keep on moving this country to it's destruction. I can't even get representation in congress anymore.

Posted by: Soona at March 03, 2015 03:36 PM (/HX7u)

105 I'm done to.

You just wonder for how long will members of the Republican Party be dupes for people like Boehner and McConnell.

They use people to win the election and then do what they want anyway.

They don't listen to the members. In fact they actively work against them.

The only balls they have is when they are calling party members names and insulting their intelligence.

It's like a wife beater after awhile. But then that wife gets the courage to burn their tormenter in the bed.

It's about time for that.

Nobody wants to be made into a fool, and that's what we are fools. Used and discarded like a napkin.

Nobody fights for us in Washington. Why should we vote for any of them.

And yes, I think we should work actively against their benefactors like the Chamber of Commerce.

Posted by: Marcus T. at March 03, 2015 03:36 PM (GGCsk)

106 If people hadn't sat out last election we might have had Romney.


You funny.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 03, 2015 03:36 PM (8ZskC)

107
All you people who childishly think that having the country go full marxism as fast as possible because of payback or some idiotic thing ought to go talk to someone who escaped such a country. Maybe you might put a little more thought into your statements. Goes for you too, Ace.

You know how many time we've heard this bullshit?

Posted by: Dbamon Soothsayere at March 03, 2015 03:36 PM (omuEe)

108
This is bullshit, of course, but I will never be on the let it burn team because there are real consequences.

Posted by: Lea at March 03, 2015 03:37 PM (lIU4e)

109 >>>7 Democrat? I'd call myself a shit eater before I called myself a Democrat.

Posted by: scottythrust at March 03, 2015 03:25 PM (E3dap)>>>

Republican. Shit Eater. PotAto, Potato.

Posted by: gm at March 03, 2015 03:37 PM (/kBoL)

110 Simpson was on House floor lying for Boner saying it did not fund EO Amnesty. I guess all didn't listen to all 98 page bills.

Posted by: Carol at March 03, 2015 03:37 PM (sj3Ax)

111
Ace, please accompany this post, for all the nattering nabobs, a video of The Who's Won't Get Fooled Again!

Posted by: Dbamon Soothsayere at March 03, 2015 03:37 PM (omuEe)

112 all these fuckers they just legalized will be voting in the next election. Obama and the GOP just made 4 to 5 million new democrats. Washington has finally gotten tired of dealing with us and is now importing a new electorate that will be more receptive to what they want.

Posted by: Vote Lord Humungus 2016 at March 03, 2015 03:37 PM (HEa5q)

113 In two years we may have a Republican President, but I guarantee you I will not vote for any Republicans in the House or Senate.

I'm also done giving them any money.

Posted by: Marcus T. at March 03, 2015 03:38 PM (GGCsk)

114 Boehner-McConnell made me a Democrat! I've always wondered what it would take... Okay, really I just dropped the GOP and registered as an Independent... But I will never vote for a GOP candidate.

Posted by: DrDeano at March 03, 2015 03:38 PM (x18S2)

115 So glad I ordered those new taco trucks.

Posted by: Manuel Labor at March 03, 2015 03:38 PM (wAQA5)

116
Je Suis Democrats

hahahaha, you Fools!!

Posted by: Republican Congress at March 03, 2015 03:38 PM (omuEe)

117 ***Ready For Hillary, then?***



What difference, at this point, does it make?


Seriously?


Hillary would bring a much-needed vagina perspective to the Oval Office.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 03, 2015 03:38 PM (8ZskC)

118
>>>Managing a decline is NOT the same as someone who will or try to reverse course.
But it's better to go full speed off a cliff?

Romney wasn't 'my guy' or anything, but he would have been fifty times better than Obama. And he was right about basically everything he ever said on foreign policy.

Posted by: Lea at March 03, 2015 03:38 PM (lIU4e)

119 You know how many time we've heard this bullshit?
Posted by: Dbamon Soothsayere at March 03, 2015 03:36 PM (omuEe)

Exactly. Bullshit same line the pundits whine about every fucking election, and in the end...

they jerk the ball away. Every. Fucking. Time.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 03, 2015 03:38 PM (BZAd3)

120 Boehner, his face orange, his eyes red.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at March 03, 2015 03:39 PM (fIv/H)

121 "I'm not angry. New this would happen from day 1."


Oh, me either. As soon as Johnny got re-elected SotH it was pretty clear what was in store here. They got their threats and voted accordingly setting the stage for..........this.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 03, 2015 03:39 PM (LA7Cm)

122 "Nobody fights for us in Washington."

Bullshit.

The reality of the situation is that your viewpoint isn't in the majority. There are plenty of people who fight for your viewpoint. Just not enough to make a majority.

Which means one of two things. Either convince more people to your viewpoint or quit and give up. The latter course of action is what Ace is encouraging with his little whine-fest posts today.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at March 03, 2015 03:39 PM (ljZD2)

123 26 This is why I left the GOP and joined the ACP two years ago...


Here, I'll link it again.


http://tinyurl.com/makgkjr
Posted by: Country Singer at March 03, 2015 03:28 PM (8hctH)

I joined the Constitution party (one of the only ones in FL whose platform is relatively unobjectionable) after the 2012 election debacle, when the R's basically went all in on the amnesty bandwagon. I know the Constitution party won't win shit, but I just cannot abide having my name be written down alongside these traitorous, douchenozzle pussies in the R party.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at March 03, 2015 03:39 PM (KkVB6)

124 Oh FFS, someone wants to extend COBRA to Obamacare?

*does Interpretative Dance of Rage*

The major problem with starting a new party is getting on the ballot on the state level and, hey, this is where having Republicans having the stranglehold on the state level is going to go poorly.

Posted by: alexthechick - LIV ahoy! at March 03, 2015 03:39 PM (mf5HN)

125 ****I can not get behind this. This kind of thinking leads to Obama and
stuff we can't reverse and a world in flames. Incrementally better is
still better.

If people hadn't sat out last election we might have had Romney.****


Do you have any evidence that anything...seriously - ANYTHING...has gotten "incrementally better"?


Winning elections means nothing when the other side still gets what it wants.


And that's cute about Romney. Yeah, we might have had the godfather of Obamacare who wants to index min wage to inflation.


It seems some people still haven't gotten it yet.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 03, 2015 03:39 PM (xSCb6)

126 Dear Speaker Boehner.

Fuck you up the fucking fuck hole, you fucking fucker.

Fuck you.

In November 2014 you were voted a Republican congressional majority for the first time in 8 years. Instead of pursuing the Conservative Ideals which drove voters to the ballot box, you and your fucking pathetic caucus have done nothing but capitulate to Barack Obama.

You, as the Legislature, have three fucking jobs, you pathetic sack of meat. First, to PASS A GOD DAMNED BUDGET. Second, to enact pieces of legislation to provide for the common defense and promote the general welfare. Third, to act as a check on Executive power.

Any rational person would expect a newly empowered Republican caucus to oppose the most lawless Administration in US History. Unfortunately, you and your worthless fucking pissant caucus are anything but rational.

Since January you have: taken impeachment off the table, taken a government shutdown off the table, stood silent as Executive branch agencies usurped your power on their way to usurping the Rights of the People, and now capitulated on an Executive Amnesty.

Fuck. You.

You are a worthless, pathetic, simpering coward. You are a waste of perfectly good carbon. The best part of you didn't run down your daddy's leg, it never made it out the pipe. You have betrayed the voters who elected your caucus, and you have failed in even the most basic of tasks you were set.

Fuck. You.

I was already done with Republicans in general. This perfidy may force my hand even to oppose Republicans I would otherwise support.

Fuck. You.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 03, 2015 03:39 PM (kff5f)

127 The Republican Party has gone full retard Whig.

The 70% of sane republicans need to form a new party. Not some whacko nutbar party, but just a new Conservative party. Allow the establishment Republicans to die on the vine, or go join the Democrats.

Posted by: Kristophr at March 03, 2015 03:39 PM (6fIOn)

128 All you people who childishly think that having the country go full marxism as fast as possible because of payback or some idiotic thing ought to go talk to someone who escaped such a country. Maybe you might put a little more thought into your statements. Goes for you too, Ace.

I'll quote Monty - what can't continue, won't.

Good for your Congressman, but he's an ineffective voice against the GOPe. Let him quit the GOP and go third party if he has the courage of his convictions.

And as long as you bring up childishness.... two of my kids were playing a board game, and one was cheating up a storm. The other kid caught him on it and complained mightily...but still continued to play. In other words, I see it as childish to continue to participate in a game you know is tilted against you so far that you have no chance of anything.

So the Left wants this to go full retard and the GOPe is happy to help them. And more to the point, the GOPe is outright hostile to anyone who wants to stand in their way. So to Hell with them all. Let It Burn.

Posted by: @JohnTant at March 03, 2015 03:39 PM (eytER)

129 Boy, Ace has gone from don't let it burn to we need more gasoline.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at March 03, 2015 03:40 PM (bjBcs)

130 Boy, Ace has gone from don't let it burn to we need more gasoline.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at March 03, 2015 03:40 PM (bjBcs)

131 Brat did NOT vote for it.

Posted by: Carol at March 03, 2015 03:40 PM (sj3Ax)

132 Posted by: Soona at March 03, 2015 03:36 PM (/HX7u)

The problem is... go where and do what? If you're independently wealthy, I guess Costa Rica is a good choice.

But to leave your friends and family and income source just to get away from politics seems a little... premature to me.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 03, 2015 03:40 PM (AkOaV)

133 Posted by: trumpetdaddy at March 03, 2015 03:34 PM (ljZD2)

soooo.... I take it you never took the Oath I did... about defending the Constitution against enemies foreign, and domestic.

Because this is NOT ABOUT MEXICANS!

Its about the Constitution.

Posted by: BB Wolf, retired Sailor at March 03, 2015 03:40 PM (qh617)

134 Burn, it will.

The great unwashed middle don't care.

The good guys can't agree on what to do about it.

The bad guys like the sparkly flames.

It will burn.

Posted by: filbert at March 03, 2015 03:40 PM (h6Mpm)

135 Time to forget the macro and look out for Number 1.

Politics is dead in the age of Republicrats.

I'm old, I'll be fine and then dead.

It's the young who are screwed.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 03, 2015 03:41 PM (1Y+hH)

136 So a few weeks ago I suggested that Boehner et al set the expiration of funding (the one that led to the CRomnibus) to land during the lame duck period rather than before the election or after the seating of the new Congress **on purpose.**

He did this to provide himself an excuse to get what we have here today -- failure to be conservative.

As ace wrote in his previous post about this, they planned the whole thing, they did this on purpose, because this is the outcome they wanted.

Not our party, people.

Posted by: revolting peasant at March 03, 2015 03:41 PM (3eFuR)

137 Don't get too comfy as a Democrat.

Look at the Chicago mayoral election - all those illegals that have taken "refuge" in the "sanctuary City" of Chicago are now voting en masse for Jesus Garcia for mayor.

The hispanic vote is not going to the candidate the dems have been told to support - the hispanic vote is going to their preferred candidate.

Importing millions of illegals is not going to work out the way the Republicans, or the Democrats think it's going to work out.

Posted by: Boots at March 03, 2015 03:41 PM (l9mF2)

138 133 Boy, Ace has gone from don't let it burn to we need more gasoline.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at March 03, 2015 03:40 PM (bjBcs)


Mugged by reality, my friend.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 03:41 PM (CMkNk)

139 All you people who childishly think that having the country go full marxism as fast as possible because of payback or some idiotic thing ought to go talk to someone who escaped such a country. Maybe you might put a little more thought into your statements. Goes for you too, Ace.

Posted by: Jen the original at March 03, 2015 03:35 PM (zuDPz)


The Czar sucks. Let's go full Bolshevik. After all, "The worse, the better", right?

Posted by: A Russian Peasant at March 03, 2015 03:41 PM (0Ew3K)

140 I all ready have the "Proud Progressive" Don Beyer as my congresswienie. So I have a good start.

Posted by: wrg500 at March 03, 2015 03:42 PM (sWgE+)

141 Not gonna vote Dem, cutting off my nose to spite my face doesn't appeal to me, but I will retain my Independent status and continue to vote selectively.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 03, 2015 03:42 PM (g1DWB)

142 #125

Ha. Ha, your funny.

Posted by: Ken at March 03, 2015 03:42 PM (LXJ1e)

143 We are all Mexicans now.

Posted by: Time Magazine at March 03, 2015 03:42 PM (wAQA5)

144 Hey Hector,

Chinga tu madre.

Posted by: Lauren at March 03, 2015 03:42 PM (MYCIw)

145
Fools, don't you see??

All we need is BIGGER CONSERVATIVE MAJORITIES IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE!!

Yes, that's the ticket. Moar conservatives! So get out there and vote vote vote for the Republicans!!

Posted by: Soothsayer The Incorrigble II at March 03, 2015 03:42 PM (omuEe)

146 If people hadn't sat out last election we might have had Romney.

If the GOPe hadn't nominated a statist milquetoast, perhaps more people would have been inclined to vote for him.

Posted by: @JohnTant at March 03, 2015 03:42 PM (eytER)

147 >>The reality of the situation is that your viewpoint isn't in the
majority. There are plenty of people who fight for your viewpoint. Just
not enough to make a majority.<<

Which is the biggest piece of deflective bullshit,

The majority opinion is what the people want, not Washington.

What's going on is the Republicans have corrupted the process. They've defied the people who elected them. Actually, they lied to them.

They voted for themselves, not the people or the majority.

In this vote, 31% of the caucus voted with the Speaker. He needed Democrats to pull it over the line.

Well we might as well elected more Democrats then.

Like I said. Nobody fights for the majority of Americans. Nobody.

Posted by: Marcus T. at March 03, 2015 03:43 PM (GGCsk)

148 ****All you people who childishly think that having the country go full
marxism as fast as possible because of payback or some idiotic thing
ought to go talk to someone who escaped such a country. Maybe you might
put a little more thought into your statements. Goes for you too, Ace.
****


Apparently the fucking clue bat needs to be filled with concrete.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 03, 2015 03:43 PM (xSCb6)

149 @136 No it isn't.

It has always been about Mexicans.

Everything about our immigration system has been about keeping Spanish-speaking, little brown people out. Ever since immigration was tightened up 50 years ago.

People spout a lot of shit about how their ancestors "came here legally." Yeah, asshole, that's because the rules in 1910 were a shit-ton more loose than they are now. My own Croatian ancestors would have been "illegals" under today's rules.

Rules that were created to keep out Mexicans.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at March 03, 2015 03:43 PM (ljZD2)

150 Being democrat means I never have to think again. There is a certain appeal to that. I need to start following what's going on in popular culture.... The Kardashians and such. Is Real Housewives on tonight? American Idol?

Posted by: Truck Monkey at March 03, 2015 03:43 PM (fLKzW)

151 I'm counting 167 votes to oust Boehner

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 03, 2015 03:43 PM (20Zla)

152 Posted by: trumpetdaddy at March 03, 2015 03:39 PM (ljZD2)

Wrong...

The Republicans won the last election by promising to FIGHT against this ....

Just as they won the election prior to this by promising to cut 100 Billion from the Budget...

They RUN on the RIGHT... they RULE to the Left...

Posted by: BB Wolf, retired Sailor at March 03, 2015 03:43 PM (qh617)

153
Wait, I've got it.

The GOPe is secretly in the LIB camp. That's why they are going along with all this commie crud, to get us there faster.

What a relief.

*goes back to facebook*

Posted by: Meremortal at March 03, 2015 03:43 PM (1Y+hH)

154 If people hadn't sat out last election we might have had Romney.

Posted by: Lea at March 03, 2015 03:33 PM (lIU4e)


Romney got more votes than McCain. So who "sat out?"

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 03, 2015 03:44 PM (kff5f)

155 Here's what we all keep missing: It's going to burn whether we let it or not.

Posted by: tsj017 at March 03, 2015 03:44 PM (4YUWF)

156 Boy, Ace has gone from don't let it burn to we need more gasoline.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at March 03, 2015 03:40 PM (bjBcs)

A "preference cascade" is a hell of a drug.

Posted by: DrewM. at March 03, 2015 03:44 PM (8dNrT)

157 All you people who childishly think that having the
country go full marxism as fast as possible because of payback or some
idiotic thing ought to go talk to someone who escaped such a country.
Maybe you might put a little more thought into your statements. Goes for
you too, Ace.

Posted by: Jen the original at March 03, 2015 03:35 PM (zuDPz)


So... we're putting you down for a little less than full marxism. Got it, thanks.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 03, 2015 03:44 PM (TOk1P)

158 " Republican. Shit Eater. PotAto, Potato."

Hey, that's s a Shit Sandwich, buddy.

If you say "please" they may even toast the bread.

Posted by: Joe Mama at March 03, 2015 03:44 PM (r1jgF)

159 Actual third party senators or reps can still caucus with the GOP to give them a majority, or maybe take it away, as they see fit.

I think that would give that third party more power than the conservative caucus within the GOP as it stands now.

We really need some currently elected folks to en masse break off and start the party. Running as incumbents greatly increases the likelihood of getting early wins as a new party.

Posted by: TexasDan at March 03, 2015 03:44 PM (6tXy4)

160 110 - real consequences? Like there aren't real consequences with the status quo?

Let it burn baby. Tear it down and salt the earth on which it once stood.

I'll bring the marshmallows.

So long Republican party. I am through with you. I have let you shove it up ** *** without the courtesy of a reach-around for the last time.

Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at March 03, 2015 03:44 PM (DlmoZ)

161
>>>Do you have any evidence that anything...seriously - ANYTHING...has gotten "incrementally better"?
I meant if we had voted for a different president. Like it or not, too much power is in the executive branch.


>>>It seems some people still haven't gotten it yet.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 03, 2015 03:39 PM (xSCb6)

Or just disagree. Find me a better candidate and I will vote for them. But I won't vote for a candidate who is WORSE because I'm pissed at Boehner.

Romney was sure as hell not perfect but he would have been better than Obama. Does any 'let it burn' person actually disagree?

Posted by: Lea at March 03, 2015 03:44 PM (lIU4e)

162 I look forward to seeing the roll call of votes.

Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at March 03, 2015 03:44 PM (DlmoZ)

163 "Rules that were created to keep out Mexicans."


That's real retarded, sir.

Posted by: Jenteel at March 03, 2015 03:45 PM (MYCIw)

164 Well, at least now that Ace is a democrat, he can feel free to make fun of Sarah Palin.

Does this mean we can't vote for Mike Castle?

Posted by: jwest at March 03, 2015 03:45 PM (9ZZd+)

165 I'm sick of the fig leaf votes, btw.

My congress critter, Chaffetz, has made it clear through his actions that all he cares about is climbing up the ladder. So I literally do not give a flying fark how he voted on this. I will work for his primary opponent.

Basically, unless someone voted against Boehner, I'm for primarying him or her.

Posted by: Y-not at March 03, 2015 03:45 PM (9BRsg)

166 Ace,
What took you so long.

Fuck them all.

Posted by: mpfs, Disgusted soon to be ex-Charger fan at March 03, 2015 03:45 PM (si/E8)

167 (And even if they did vote against Boehner, I may be for primarying them.)

Posted by: Y-not at March 03, 2015 03:45 PM (9BRsg)

168 Meh- After the Dems filibustered the conference, House rules allow for Pelosi to force a vote on the Senate bill.

The vote was going to happen with or without Boehner's approval.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 03, 2015 03:45 PM (flLTC)

169 All you people who childishly think that having the country go full marxism as fast as possible because of payback or some idiotic thing ought to go talk to someone who escaped such a country. Maybe you might put a little more thought into your statements. Goes for you too, Ace.

Posted by: Jen the original at March 03, 2015 03:35 PM (zuDPz)


Chiang Kai-shek sucks. Let's go full Maoist. After all, "The worse, the better", right?

Posted by: A Chinese Peasant at March 03, 2015 03:45 PM (0Ew3K)

170 Are you guys really surprised at the outcome? Democrats and Republicans - two sides of the same coin.

Posted by: Titanium at March 03, 2015 03:45 PM (7JlSp)

171 Should we coordinate a day to all officially leave the Republican party?

Posted by: 18-1 at March 03, 2015 03:45 PM (78TbK)

172 I'm counting 167 votes to oust Boehner

Pfft - 20. Maybe. At most. For the rest of them this was a safe vote to toss a bone to the bubbas. Sadly it will work, for the most part.

Posted by: DocJ at March 03, 2015 03:46 PM (zrsn3)

173
I look forward to seeing the roll call of votes.

--

Sorry, the hard drive recording the votes crashed

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 03, 2015 03:46 PM (20Zla)

174 Dear Ace,

Welcome to the reality that SnappedShot faced in 2011, leading to its execution. May your realization that the GOP represents nothing but the Beltway Cocktail Party Elite end more productively than mine did (though, to be fair, my tax strategy has shifted significantly since I realized our government was no longer ours - Starving the beast is all the reward in the world!)

Respectfully,
Brian/SnappedShot

Posted by: Brian L. at March 03, 2015 03:46 PM (2Ho6X)

175
Whatever Barry wants, Barry gets...

Posted by: John "Sarah Vaughn" Boehner at March 03, 2015 03:46 PM (wAQA5)

176 "Apparently the fucking clue bat needs to be filled with concrete."

Yup. It's time to stop voting for Whig candidates.

Posted by: Kristophr at March 03, 2015 03:46 PM (6fIOn)

177 We really need some currently elected folks to en masse break off and start the party.


Nice staff and office space you got there, Congressman. It'd sure be shame if something bad was to happen to them.

*hic*

Posted by: John Boehner at March 03, 2015 03:46 PM (8ZskC)

178 Don't feed the troll. (All trolls are Average Joe, who sucks cock by choice)

Mock? Yes.
Insult? Absolutely.
Skull-fuck? Twice a day, and 4 times on Sunday.
Feed? No.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 03, 2015 03:46 PM (kff5f)

179 There is one way the Thugs could get me to consider voting for them in 2016. Boehner and McConnell must be deposed now and by now I mean by St. Patrick's Day.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at March 03, 2015 03:46 PM (a8+l+)

180 You should be organizing a third party, Ace.

80% of the D's and R's are basically the same party. Its just for the rubes that there's different labels.

Posted by: Gaff at March 03, 2015 03:46 PM (jPS2y)

181 I hace no plans to vote Denocrat, but I wouldn't mind continuing to vote for a third party that can't win. I'd rather win, but the only Republicans I still support care about the constitution. Justin Amash, for instance. And I still like Rand Paul in the primaries. Gary Johnson as an alternative. Some people always find a way to criticize my support for these guys, but I've never claimed they're perfect. But they want to get out country back. They not only don't care about funding DHS; they want to abolish it, along with many others.

Gary Johnson was Governor Veto in New Mexico for 8 years; he ran in 2012 on "balancing the budget tomorrow." Impossible to do, but you never doubted that he was sincere in trying to find a way. The anti Boehner, I think. We need to stop focusing on little reasons to not support these real reformers. On the basics, they're excellent. You'd really rather vote Democrat? I'd much rather you join me in voting for Rand Paul in the primary, then Gary Johnson in the general if Jeb wins. I'm intrigued by Scott Walker and love what's happened in WI, so we'll see. But Paul's first Senate budget proposal (balancing the budget in just a few years) is what won me over.

Posted by: Robert at March 03, 2015 03:46 PM (aRr3k)

182 I'm counting 167 votes to oust Boehner

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 03, 2015 03:43 PM (20Zla)


Then I want to see every one of those 167 standing up and saying so. Until then, I'm going to assume it's the usual political grabass game of upping their conservo quotient with all the Washington thinktank types who get off on keeping track of such things.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 03, 2015 03:46 PM (TOk1P)

183 well the day continues to get worse now doesn't it. Besides this shit and work going to hell, its f*cking wonderful.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 03, 2015 03:47 PM (F2IAQ)

184 Somebody, somewhere, help me understand the politics of this.

Boehner and his whips had to know 70 percent of his caucus intended to vote against this turd. Yet, he brings it to the floor for a vote anyway so the Dems and a small fraction of his own caucus can merrily pass it.

What, exactly, is the point of controlling the Speakership and majority leadership if you don't use it to prevent bills your own caucus vehemently objects to from coming to the floor?

Can anyone begin to explain the thinking to this?

Posted by: Kam at March 03, 2015 03:47 PM (Xv7f/)

185 >>>110
This is bullshit, of course, but I will never be on the let it burn team because there are real consequences.
Posted by: Lea at March 03, 2015 03:37 PM (lIU4e)>>>

Real consequences to doing what you're doing too. And it's happening right now.

Posted by: gm at March 03, 2015 03:47 PM (/kBoL)

186 First slogan for the new party:

Burn. Scatter. Salt.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 03, 2015 03:47 PM (BZAd3)

187 Posted by: trumpetdaddy at March 03, 2015 03:43 PM (ljZD2)

You're an idiot.

Like the liberals who live in gated communities and only interact with spanish people when they come to mow their lawn and watch their kids, you have no idea what the impacts of rampant immigration does to people living in the real world.

I happen to really like the Mexicans I work with. I think their culture is cool and that they're very similar culturally to Americans.

That's not my issue at all.

And you know that.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 03, 2015 03:47 PM (AkOaV)

188 Ace, I'm going to recommend Meditations by Marcus Aurelius and Letters from a Stoic by Seneca to help you with your PanicOutrage addiction. Also, might want to watch your soy intake.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at March 03, 2015 03:47 PM (1RNgT)

189 And just to show how "our betters" in both parties take care of each other, and really are part of the same party (the elites of DC party) -

Mark Kirk, (R) U.S. Senate from Illinois has come out and endorsed Rahm Emanuel for Mayor.

Kirk says that if Rham is not elected, that Chicago's future will be Detroit's present.

Posted by: Boots at March 03, 2015 03:47 PM (l9mF2)

190 I prefer voting Constitution Party, so that it is always clear that there is a reservoir of votes to the right of the Republican Party that Boehner and his ilk refuse to mobilize. If people started voting Dem, leadership would argue that they have to steer left to tap into Dem votes.

Posted by: Elize Nayden at March 03, 2015 03:47 PM (3uNuH)

191 So, we were camping one day up at Joe Pool lake, I think, and this guy was standing outside his tent yelling "CABRON!!!!" "CABRON!!!" for about an hour and a half. He just kept yelling and yelling. Just the one word.

That's how I'm starting to view Hector, and it's making me laugh way too hard.

Posted by: Lauren at March 03, 2015 03:47 PM (MYCIw)

192 >>Everything about our immigration system has been about keeping Spanish-speaking, little brown people out. Ever since immigration was tightened up 50 years ago.

And? Assuming your view was fact, which it isn't, why is it wrong for us to want to monitor and select which type of immigrants we want?

This isn't 1910 in any way. The country has changed and so have our needs for different types of immigrants. Bringing in or in this case giving amnesty to millions of people who are in balance a net drain on our resources is idiotic and will not help the country.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 03, 2015 03:47 PM (g1DWB)

193 175 Should we coordinate a day to all officially leave the Republican party?


Posted by: 18-1 at March 03, 2015 03:45 PM (78TbK


sorry... left years ago...

Posted by: BB Wolf, retired Sailor at March 03, 2015 03:47 PM (qh617)

194 " It's going to burn whether we let it or not."


As mentioned in the previous thread, $17 trill' in debt and adding every year. And no sign of it being stopped or even moderately slowed by either major party.

It's burning.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 03, 2015 03:48 PM (LA7Cm)

195 All you people who childishly think that having the country go full marxism as fast as possible because of payback or some idiotic thing ought to go talk to someone who escaped such a country. Maybe you might put a little more thought into your statements. Goes for you too, Ace.

Posted by: Jen the original at March 03, 2015 03:35 PM (zuDPz)


The Cambodian government sucks. Let's go full Khmer Rouge. After all, "The worse, the better", right?

Posted by: A Cambodian Peasant at March 03, 2015 03:48 PM (0Ew3K)

196 What hills do you rubes keep talking about?

Posted by: Boehner *hic* at March 03, 2015 03:48 PM (A98Xu)

197
<<real consequences? Like there aren't real consequences with the status quo?

You know what? I'm not happy about this either. So I'll step away and let everybody throw things and comeback later.

>>Romney got more votes than McCain. So who "sat out?"

I saw something detailed about this after the election results rolled in but it's been a few years and I don't have time to research it right now.

Posted by: Lea at March 03, 2015 03:48 PM (lIU4e)

198 Here's what we all keep missing: It's going to burn whether we let it or not.
Posted by: tsj017 at March 03, 2015 03:44 PM (4YUWF)


---------------------------------------


THIS! People say that we'll be going over the cliff sooner or later. And I say we have already gone over the edge and are in freefall. The bottom is rapidly approaching. Newton laughs.

Posted by: Soona at March 03, 2015 03:48 PM (/HX7u)

199 Posted by: trumpetdaddy at March 03, 2015 03:43 PM (ljZD2)


That's not only not even wrong, it's got a couple of progressive talking points sprinkled in to boot.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 03, 2015 03:48 PM (xSCb6)

200 Meh- After the Dems filibustered the conference, House rules allow for Pelosi to force a vote on the Senate bill.


Hey, how come Republicans never could do that?

Posted by: Meremortal at March 03, 2015 03:48 PM (1Y+hH)

201 So I'm now a Democrat

Welcome my little furry one to the dark side
Who is next?
Hahahahahahaha

Posted by: Navycopjoe (Joseph if you're nasty) at March 03, 2015 03:48 PM (LsK71)

202 Romney was sure as hell not perfect but he would have been better than Obama. Does any 'let it burn' person actually disagree?
***
Romney was never going to beat Obama. It was clear to anyone paying attention.

However, if conservatives had voted in mass for the third party conservative party guy Boehner and co would not feel emboldened to vote for Amnesty now because they would be worried about their jobs, not how the CoC is going to pay them off when they retire...

Posted by: 18-1 at March 03, 2015 03:48 PM (78TbK)

203 Maybe you might put a little more thought into your statements

Hey Jen? Here is a thought. (See, I'm thinking before I speak)

Go fuck yourself and take your GOPe overlords with you.

I owe you nothing and I damn sure owe the GOP nothing. Punitive, indeed.

Posted by: FITP at March 03, 2015 03:48 PM (jjmtb)

204 This post reminds me of the best scene from Liar, Liar: Fletcher: You scratched my car!
Motorpool Guy: Where?
Fletcher: [indicating with his hands] Right there!
Motorpool Guy: OH... That was already there.
Fletcher: You - -LIAR! You know what I am going to do about this?
Motorpool Guy: what?
Fletcher: Nothing! Because if I take it to small claims court, it will just drain 8 hours out of my life and you probably won't show up and even if I got the judgment you'd just stiff me anyway; so what I am going to do is piss and moan like an impotent jerk, and then bend over and take it up the tailpipe!
Motorpool Guy: [tossing the keys to Fletcher] You've been here before haven't ya?

Posted by: gewa76 at March 03, 2015 03:48 PM (S9rS1)

205 186 I'm counting 167 votes to oust Boehner

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 03, 2015 03:43 PM (20Zla)


Too late for that now. Damage is done.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at March 03, 2015 03:48 PM (jj+OQ)

206 164 Romney was sure as hell not perfect but he would have been better than Obama. Does any 'let it burn' person actually disagree?
Posted by: Lea at March 03, 2015 03:44 PM (lIU4e)


You're making a straw man argument. If Mitt was elected, he would have done NOTHING to reverse course, not just of what Obama had done to that point but of the vestiges of the Great Society, the New Deal, the Square Deal etc. ad nauseum to get us back to a constitutional limited government republic.

NOTE: George W. Bush, with both houses of Congress in Republican hands, was the most profligate spender in US history and grew the government.

I suspect Mitt would have done the same, unless you can show me his plan to dissolve the EPA, the IRS and introduce a flat tax.

Let me know.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 03:48 PM (CMkNk)

207 If your congressman voted for John Boehner but voted against this - they still supported it.

My congressman Tim Murphy voted for Beohner... I will oppose him with money and my vote during his next election.

Posted by: Reality Man at March 03, 2015 03:48 PM (9AQdP)

208 164
Romney would have been better. But the actions and leadership of Boner and McConnell and the Republican elite would not change. They trash us Conservatives, mock us even. Yet we are the ones who gave them the majority in the house and senate.

Want to restore my faith in the party? Start, and by no means is this the only thing - start by declairing the Speaker of the House position as vacant. Remove Boner from that post. Do it now. This week.

Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at March 03, 2015 03:48 PM (DlmoZ)

209 How's my ass taste?

Rubes.

*hic*

Posted by: John Boehner at March 03, 2015 03:49 PM (sQzB6)

210 Fuck that. I'll never vote for a Democrat as they are today and Fuck people who will and advocate for others to do so.

So long.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at March 03, 2015 03:49 PM (glJL/)

211 You should be organizing a third party, Ace.

80% of the D's and R's are basically the same party. Its just for the rubes that there's different labels.
Posted by: Gaff at March 03, 2015 03:46 PM (jPS2y)


The Molon Labe Moron Party.

Valu-Rite and filleted hobo in every pot, and a llama in every garage!

Posted by: filbert at March 03, 2015 03:49 PM (h6Mpm)

212 It took you guys 2 decades to understand what I was saying. Just wait until Obama's TPP FTA gets brought before Congress. I can still hear that great sucking sound in the hereafter.

Posted by: Ross Perot's ghost at March 03, 2015 03:49 PM (w/bVh)

213 My code for the last several years has been "I might vote Republican, but I'll never vote Democrat", but it might be changing to "I'll never vote Republican or Democrat."I just can't bring myself to vote Donk.

This.

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 03, 2015 03:49 PM (Spluw)

214 I want to move to Israel.
Right now.

Posted by: mpfs, Disgusted soon to be ex-Charger fan at March 03, 2015 03:50 PM (si/E8)

215
Posted by: trumpetdaddy

This dunce has been here before. It's a Reason Magazine type of Republican, by which I mean a libertarian who votes D.

Posted by: Soothsayer The Incorrigble II at March 03, 2015 03:50 PM (omuEe)

216 They didn't give Geo Washington much of a chance either. The blood of patriots still flows in the USA. The fundamental change has been made but the full effect hasn't been felt. Obama has two more years to put the cherry on top.

Ask not what your country can do for you but ask what you can do for your country.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 03, 2015 03:50 PM (WNERA)

217 Someone posted link to votes in last thread. I'm sorry but I clicked & opened it.

Thank you, I'm sorry I didn't look to see who posted it. I have it open on same spot last thread was open.

Posted by: Carol at March 03, 2015 03:50 PM (sj3Ax)

218 Can anyone begin to explain the thinking to this?

Money, Chamber of Commerce wants the amnesty in a bad way. Cheap labor.

Posted by: wrg500 at March 03, 2015 03:50 PM (sWgE+)

219 can someone link the actual roll call?

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at March 03, 2015 03:50 PM (cZOkr)

220 If the GOPe hadn't nominated a statist milquetoast, perhaps more people would have been inclined to vote for him.
Posted by: @JohnTant at March 03, 2015 03:42 PM (eytER)

Last I checked, registered republicans(and in some states, democrats) voted in primaries to nominate Romney.
He ran against numerous other republicans in those primaries.

Posted by: Jen the original at March 03, 2015 03:51 PM (zuDPz)

221 The Molon Labe Moron Party.


The "Come and take a Moron" Party? Kind of inspiring, but it needs work.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 03, 2015 03:51 PM (8ZskC)

222 Rut roh....

@aseitzwald · 10m

Rep. Gowdy: Clinton had "more than one" private email account.

Posted by: Tami at March 03, 2015 03:51 PM (v0/PR)

223 I agree with ace. The Republicans have abandoned us. We gave them Congress and they spat at us.

There's no difference between the two parties except one--and it must gall the GOP to no end that that difference is, the Media loves Democrats and hates Republicans. Well, GOP, they are going to hate you forever, doesn't matter what you do. Boo hoo hoo.

Posted by: Null at March 03, 2015 03:51 PM (xjpRj)

224 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 03, 2015 03:39 PM (kff5f)

This. In (ace of) spades.

Fuck. them. all.

Changed from reticent to full-on LIB.

Cocksuckers.

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at March 03, 2015 03:51 PM (TR90z)

225 Maybe I'll go split ticket in the future.

Libertarian or Constitution Party.

Whoever seems more spittle-flecked crazy.

Posted by: filbert at March 03, 2015 03:51 PM (h6Mpm)

226 Yes, I am going to vote Democrat from now on, too. Not because I believe in ANYTHING that they stand for, but I will vote for them because things will have to get worse before they can get better.

In other news, called Bruce Rauner's office today to find out why he did not sign onto the law suit challenging Obama's executive amnesty, and the woman at the office told me, "No statement has been issued, so I can't comment." I voted for this man, and this is how the Governor treats its constituents?

In the meantime...I will vote Democrat, but will work towards growing a third party. In addition, it might be worth looking into, but there may be an over lap between some Occupy Wall Streeters and conservatives. This may sound radical on face value, but really what many of us want is a separation of business and state. There is a point of agreement here that might be beneficial. Some of us may agree enough on some level, even if we might disagree about methods, tactics, etc..

...I am off to go register as a Democratic now. It's the first time in my adult life that I will be a registered Democrat. It feels strange to me, but I don't know what else to do.

Posted by: Miss Completely Done at March 03, 2015 03:51 PM (2/oBD)

227 What is really troublesome is that the "electable" republicans let us down.

Even after we threw the crazy witches and snowbillies who embarrassed us under the bus, they didn't come through on those things that mattered.

It's as if these "conservatives" didn't have the character that made those others seems so easy to mock.

When will we learn to find the right kind of conservative who will not only vote as they say, but fit in at the wine and cheese parties?

Posted by: jwest at March 03, 2015 03:51 PM (9ZZd+)

228
All you people who childishly think that having the country go full marxism as fast as possible because of payback or some idiotic thing ought to go talk to someone who escaped such a country.
we deserve what we get.

Posted by: kj at March 03, 2015 03:51 PM (lKyWE)

229 218 I want to move to Israel.
Right now.
Posted by: mpfs, Disgusted soon to be ex-Charger fan at March 03, 2015 03:50 PM (si/E


Israel, with a billion artillery rounds and muzzy kamikazes all over, is a damn sight better by far.

Especially with someone like BiBi.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 03:51 PM (CMkNk)

230 What is lost in the battle over executive amnesty is that conservatives (I think) should be opposed to funding the Department of Homeland Insecurity period. With or without executive amnesty, shut it down.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at March 03, 2015 03:51 PM (zauWW)

231 The American culture was nice, for as long as each of us was able to enjoy it.

We are all Third World trash today with oligarchs who oversee us. We have become second-class citizens in our own nation.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at March 03, 2015 03:52 PM (vg8iE)

232 ****Romney was sure as hell not perfect but he would have been better than Obama. Does any 'let it burn' person actually disagree?

Posted by: Lea at March 03, 2015 03:44 PM (lIU4e) ****


I completely disagree. To add to the points I already mentioned above (RomneyCare and a view on Minimum wage that is left of Obama) add to that his record of appointing liberal justices.
All this talk of "Romney would have been better" is based on magical thinking and contrary to his actual record as an elected official.
We're still moving left with your worldview. The only substantive difference between you and ace right now is ETA for full Marxism.
Results matter.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 03, 2015 03:52 PM (xSCb6)

233 I don't see how Boehner can hold on to his job after this humiliation. Actually, I don't know how he could look in a mirror now.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 03, 2015 03:52 PM (20Zla)

234 The "Come and take a Moron" Party? Kind of inspiring, but it needs work.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 03, 2015 03:51 PM (8ZskC)


It was a rhyme. It wasn't supposed to make sense.

(Moron Party, after all.)

Posted by: filbert at March 03, 2015 03:52 PM (h6Mpm)

235 The GOPe thought we said "fart" gun.

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at March 03, 2015 03:52 PM (TR90z)

236 I saw something detailed about this after the election results rolled in but it's been a few years and I don't have time to research it right now.

But you did feel free to trot it out.

It was bullshit then, it's bullshit now.

You can always claim "people sat out because X" because, indeed, not everyone eligible to vote does, in fact, vote. However, when you actually look at the numbers, you can't actually say that anyone sat out- because, indeed, more people voted than the last time.

It's not about people "sitting out," it's about people knowing that they're not going to be represented no matter which of the major candidates is elected.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 03, 2015 03:52 PM (kff5f)

237 Get a clue. The rest of the country doesn't hate Mexicans.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at March 03, 2015 03:34 PM (ljZD2)



Because the rest of the country isn't yet overrun. Even the Mexicans (legal) in California hate the Mexicans (illegal). And don't get me started on what the Guatemalans and El Salvadoreans have to say about them!

Posted by: kathysaysso at March 03, 2015 03:52 PM (fMQoG)

238 John Bendover in the House, Bitch McConnell in the Senate: The Democrats' Dream Team.

Posted by: Hank at March 03, 2015 03:52 PM (S1NkT)

239 I'm not ready to give up yet...but it's getting close.

Posted by: some guy at March 03, 2015 03:53 PM (q177U)

240 >>You're making a straw man argument. If Mitt was elected, he would have done NOTHING to reverse course

Um, so are you. You may think Romney would have done nothing to reverse course but you don't know that.

For example, one thing we wouldn't be doing right now is arguing over Congress funding an illegal EO that Obama put in place last year. I don't think anyone is deluded enough to think that Romney would have done that.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 03, 2015 03:53 PM (g1DWB)

241 222 Can anyone begin to explain the thinking to this?

Money, Chamber of Commerce wants the amnesty in a bad way. Cheap labor.
Posted by: wrg500 at March 03, 2015 03:50 PM (sWgE+)


Great. Jam your fist up the golden goose's cloaca for the last few paltry golden eggs and kill it in the process.

Tom Donahue deserves a good "talking to," IYKWIM.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 03:53 PM (CMkNk)

242 The blood of patriots still flows in the USA.

It's somewhat diminished by other countries' sick and poor, yearning for free shit.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at March 03, 2015 03:53 PM (/kI1Q)

243 The problem with a third party is the secular cons and social cons will never agree on anything.

Posted by: some guy at March 03, 2015 03:54 PM (q177U)

244 What, exactly, is the point of controlling the Speakership and majority
leadership if you don't use it to prevent bills your own caucus
vehemently objects to from coming to the floor?


They have to show they can govern. /sarc

Posted by: DaveA at March 03, 2015 03:54 PM (DL2i+)

245 "Actually, I don't know how he could look in a mirror now."


It's called "deniro" and I gots a bunch of it.

Posted by: Johnny "Cheeto" Boner at March 03, 2015 03:54 PM (LA7Cm)

246 214 Bob Belcher,

So long Bob...

If we're going to have a democrat dictator making policy by imperial majesty why should I give 1/2 a fuck if the Congress is r or d?

This was THE fight, it's over....

Time to aid the occutards in punishing the CoC sucking wing of the GOP....

Illegals have more voice in our government than citizens...

I'm out of fuckd to give.

Posted by: The Smiling Bandit@sven10077 at March 03, 2015 03:54 PM (tPY0a)

247
But we just want everybody to love us.

Posted by: Gee Opie at March 03, 2015 03:55 PM (wAQA5)

248 Ace, if the leadership can only pull in 30% of the conference on an issue like this, the problem's not the party but the leadership. Boehner must go.

Posted by: crrr6 at March 03, 2015 03:55 PM (Vqcn4)

249 Hey Jen? Here is a thought. (See, I'm thinking before I speak)

Go fuck yourself and take your GOPe overlords with you.

I owe you nothing and I damn sure owe the GOP nothing. Punitive, indeed.
Posted by: FITP at March 03, 2015 03:48 PM (jjmtb)

Nice thing to say to another poster FITP.

Posted by: Jen the original at March 03, 2015 03:55 PM (zuDPz)

250 The executive amnesty has already been stopped pending judicial review,and it will probably be killed in the Supreme Court--after this funding cycle is long past--so the funding bill is moot. Boehner has simply taken the off ramp and avoided looking stupid, the objective of stopping executive amnesty has been achieved

Posted by: Jim at March 03, 2015 03:55 PM (golr6)

251 Posted by: Meremortal at March 03, 2015 03:48 PM (1Y+hH)

Oh, because these parliamentarian tricks only work for Dems.

That's what I've surmised at least. Since D's seem to always be able to find some obscure rule to make shit work how they want it to, but R's cant even use regular order to do what they claim to want to do.

My real guess? Because they didn't want to. The R's may get faux worked up about shit, but at the end of the day... if their moneys coming in, they have their committee chairmanship, important and wealthy people want to talk to them, they get invited to the right parties, and they network with the right people...

Then, cmon, why rock the boat?

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 03, 2015 03:55 PM (AkOaV)

252 The problem with a third party is the secular cons and social cons will never agree on anything.
Posted by: some guy at March 03, 2015 03:54 PM (q177U)


The problem with the Republicans is they don't know how to do anything but bend over and offer their anus to the Democrats whenever the D's want it.

Posted by: filbert at March 03, 2015 03:55 PM (h6Mpm)

253 MPFS,
I was thinking same thing, move to Israel.

Posted by: Carol at March 03, 2015 03:55 PM (sj3Ax)

254 Let it burn.

Let's see them try to fund Big Government initiatives when we are quite broke. Broke and then default, no less.

We'll have a small government no matter what at that point.

Posted by: Crude at March 03, 2015 03:55 PM (DUynq)

255 At Bloomberg

Video clip of obama's statement on netanyahus speech, titled "Obama Reacts to Netanyahus Speech", at 5:47


When considering the deal, "it's very important to not get distracted by Irans territorial ambitions or terrorist activities"

Yes. Don't get distracted

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 03, 2015 03:55 PM (zOTsN)

256 Burn. Scatter. Salt.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb


Sounds like a dish served at Waffle House.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at March 03, 2015 03:56 PM (/Ho8c)

257 I'm not going to vote Dem or GOP, but I will vote. If you don't vote that way, they can always say you were just to lazy to vote. Make it clear what you're saying.

Posted by: pep at March 03, 2015 03:56 PM (YXmuI)

258
Some of you who think we can just plug-in different actors and we'll get different results are missing the big picture.

obama, Romney, reid, pelosi, Boehner, McConnell, Bush, clinton

There is very little daylight between these people.

What we have is a FUNDAMENTAL problem of a lack of leadership combined with patriotism and wisdom. None of the above people have ANY BUSINESS being in a leadership role in government.

Posted by: Soothsayer The Incorrigble II at March 03, 2015 03:56 PM (omuEe)

259 >>I don't see how Boehner can hold on to his job after this humiliation. Actually, I don't know how he could look in a mirror now.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada


A. Who, exactly, is going to boot him out?

B. He doesn't have a reflection anyway.

Posted by: Aviator at March 03, 2015 03:56 PM (sQzB6)

260 In four short months we have gone from a huge election victory that left at last a sense of hope. Today we realize the obvious deception by those we chose as our saviors...It appears the ballot box leaves little in the way of correction for the corruption!

Posted by: tbd at March 03, 2015 03:56 PM (csPpp)

261 where the hell were the independents on this vote ?!?

Posted by: tee hee at March 03, 2015 03:56 PM (XYKz+)

262 > Everything about our immigration system has been about keeping
Spanish-speaking, little brown people out. Ever since immigration was
tightened up 50 years ago.

Look you mouth breathing douchenozzle, I'm all for letting all the Mexicans come here to work that want as long as A) we have Voter ID and a system to keep them from voting, and B) make sure they have no access to public assistance. You work or go the hell home. My greatgrandparents didn't get to hop off the boat and collect a check.

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at March 03, 2015 03:56 PM (Hj1vf)

263 It's time to label what these people (Obama, Boehnor, McConnell, Pelosi, Reid) actually are: TRAITORS

Posted by: Ken at March 03, 2015 03:56 PM (LXJ1e)

264 Boehner has simply taken the off ramp and avoided looking stupid, the objective of stopping executive amnesty has been achieved

I believe that's the same off ramp they used in the Blues Brothers.

Posted by: pep at March 03, 2015 03:57 PM (YXmuI)

265 The Pimp Hand party.

Because a lot of bitches gonna be slapped.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 03, 2015 03:57 PM (oFCZn)

266 Me thinks it is a weasel.

http://tinyurl.com/ouhmku7

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at March 03, 2015 03:57 PM (0NdlF)

267 Jesus, just jump off the ledge already so the whining will stop. It sucks, but we conservatives are not a majority in the country. The Internet lets us pretend otherwise, but most Americans simply do not give a crap about anything that does not immediately affect them or their families. That's just the way it is.

You all can act like pissed off teenagers and sit out or vote for the Democrats, but I will continue to support conservatives in the least-bad option. Moderate Republicans are infuriating, but where it really counts, in matters of life and death, I will choose that party over the ones that booed God at their convention, is fanatically devoted to the idea of ending innocent life in the womb, did everything they could to undermine the country while troops were fighting overseas, and are doing everything they can to ensure Israel suffers another holocaust.

Posted by: RedStick at March 03, 2015 03:57 PM (k6J0K)

268 Ace you live in NJ it isn't a battleground state and your vote really isn't all that important so just relax Hillary is in

Posted by: Tighter at March 03, 2015 03:57 PM (VKSrJ)

269 As far as leaving the county goes...I've identified several nice places in the world with much lower taxes. The best of them regulate ordinary civilian arms the same way the USA regulates machine guns. I'm not quite ready to bail, but someday...

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at March 03, 2015 03:57 PM (zauWW)

270 *SPOILERS for House of Cards*

Show starts out with Preezy Underwood vetoing every blasted bill the house and senate put on his desk. Sound familiar? However, unlike our feckless fools on the hill, the republicans in this show are not intimidated by the dems, don't just roll over at the slightest sneeze, and don't back down. And guess who it makes look feckless? Underwood, not the GOP. I'm jealous of fictional ppl on a TV show, geez louise.

Posted by: LizLem at March 03, 2015 03:57 PM (yRwC8)

271 Its like they want us to start an armed revolt.

Posted by: Iblis at March 03, 2015 03:57 PM (9221z)

272 Ace,

I have a suggestion.

California, Louisiana, and (IIRC) Washington have a "jungle primary" where the top two vote getters go to the run-off, regardless of party affiliation.

In those states, a Dem or Leftist 3rd party can't win by wining a plurality.

In such a case, a third party challenge becomes plausible, especially in conservative districts where you have only one GOP candidate and one conservative 3rd party candidate.

If going the third party route really is plausible, then strategic targeting of seats in those three states would provide a test of plausibility, while minimizing the chance of throwing conservative seats to Progressive Democrats.

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 03, 2015 03:57 PM (0Ew3K)

273 Sounds like a dish served at Waffle House.

Oooh. Waffle House.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at March 03, 2015 03:57 PM (/kI1Q)

274 Ace, if the leadership can only pull in 30% of the conference on an issue like this, the problem's not the party but the leadership. Boehner must go.

You mean the party that (unanimously) voted the simpering coward douche-canoe into the Speaker's chair? That's the party where the problem isn't?

I say about bills in the Senate: "A vote for cloture is a vote for the bill." In the House: "A vote for 'the rule' is a vote for the bill." Similarly- a vote for the Speaker is a vote for everything the Speaker does.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 03, 2015 03:57 PM (kff5f)

275 Posted by: crrr6 at March 03, 2015 03:55 PM (Vqcn4)

AGAIN,
Boehner let the rest of those critters vote against him as a "protest vote".

If he NEEDED their votes, he'd have gotten them.

He knew how many he could afford to lose, and who knows what kind of horse trading went on behind the scenes for them to get Boehners blessing to vote against it?

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 03, 2015 03:57 PM (AkOaV)

276 Man what an awesome and forward thinking vote this was. All our problems are solved now!

Posted by: Pin Pis at March 03, 2015 03:57 PM (z/Ubi)

277 The executive amnesty has already been stopped pending judicial review,and it will probably be killed in the Supreme Court-

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Posted by: Chief Justice Roberts at March 03, 2015 03:57 PM (MMC8r)

278 174 Are you guys really surprised at the outcome? Democrats and Republicans - two sides of the same coin.
Posted by: Titanium at March 03, 2015 03:45 PM (7JlSp)

And once again, life imitates South Park. The episode forever ago where they had the election between a douche and a turd. It's the damn truth.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at March 03, 2015 03:57 PM (KkVB6)

279 244 Jack Straw,

Jack I flamed Poppin Fresh last night...

The "nice moderate" wing of the GIP enabled Nero Caligula Obama....

My give a fuck cup is empty....

Goid luck w/the gop

Posted by: The Smiling Bandit@sven10077 at March 03, 2015 03:57 PM (tPY0a)

280
now i know what cleveland browns fans must feel like

Posted by: kj at March 03, 2015 03:57 PM (lKyWE)

281 People are under the delusion that Republicans are less in bed with the Chamber of Commerce than the Dems.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 03, 2015 03:57 PM (BZAd3)

282 92 Jen
For the win.

Posted by: mr chumpo at March 03, 2015 03:58 PM (9Z1GO)

283 Romney v Obola?

Romney and it isn't even close. If nothing else he wouldn't have vetoed Keystone. The executive actions would have been way down as well.

Posted by: Hank at March 03, 2015 03:58 PM (S1NkT)

284 Don't all these a$$holes have lifetime pensions and bennies? They should all quit. I would.

Posted by: wth at March 03, 2015 03:58 PM (wAQA5)

285 Sorry, at 5:29

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 03, 2015 03:58 PM (zOTsN)

286 Oh, by the way, conservatives are now reduced to begging Republicans not to save Obamacare.

Begging, actually. Ace

You know what that means? It means I can do that thing in your mouth as often as I want.

Begging establishes who is in control in a relationship, and it ain't you.

Posted by: Your GOP betters at March 03, 2015 03:58 PM (XmOA9)

287 273 As far as leaving the county goes...I've identified several nice places in the world with much lower taxes. The best of them regulate ordinary civilian arms the same way the USA regulates machine guns. I'm not quite ready to bail, but someday...
Posted by: SpongeBobSaget
______________________

List, please?

Posted by: Furious George, doomed at March 03, 2015 03:58 PM (UlJ3l)

288 Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 03, 2015 03:55 PM (zOTsN

Can we just stop pretending that Obama isn't a Muslim terrorist enabler?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 03, 2015 03:58 PM (DXzRD)

289 You all can act like pissed off teenagers and sit out or vote for the Democrats, but I will continue to support conservatives in the least-bad option

Good for you. Go be a Republican and enjoy yourself.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at March 03, 2015 03:58 PM (jj+OQ)

290 Romney was sure as hell not perfect but he would have been better than Obama. Does any 'let it burn' person actually disagree?

Posted by: Lea at March 03, 2015 03:44 PM (lIU4e)
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Today, Republicans betray us on immigration. Wasnt Mr. Self-Deportation advocating for a path to citizenship just a few weeks ago? What makes you think you could believe any other promise he made during the campaign?

Also: considering the mess that we're in, "better than Obama" doesnt cut it. I always thought that the empty chair metaphor for Obama was wrong, because an empty chair does nothing. Obama was positively destructive. So "better than Obama" isnt exactly high praise.

Posted by: Elize Nayden at March 03, 2015 03:59 PM (3uNuH)

291
The Constitution is effectively dead, as is the rule of a just and stable law. The problem is not with the government, it's with the people who lack the morals and character to uphold it and the oaths they swore.

We are drifting. The last vestiges of the nation as founded are now all gone.

I fear for what might happen in the next 2 years.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 03:59 PM (CMkNk)

292 Aaaannnnd, it's only Tuesday. Just think of what the rest of the week might bring.

Posted by: HH at March 03, 2015 03:59 PM (Ce4DF)

293 So they will bask in the reflected glory of a brave leader of a small nation literally faced with annihilation by lunatics stand his ground but they cave in the face of being called mean by the Dems and the MSM. (As if caving would stop the verbal abuse.) Yeah, I have lots of respect for them because they will stand firm on the next round. Just like the Jews at Masada. Really.


Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at March 03, 2015 03:59 PM (1BQGO)

294 ****You may think Romney would have done nothing to reverse course but you don't know that.





Posted by: JackStraw at March 03, 2015 03:53 PM (g1DWB) ****

And here we have the fundamental problem with Romney. NO ONE knows what he would have done. He said whatever he needed, or thought he needed to.
So what do we have to base a rational opinion on about how he would have governed? Yes, that's right - his record as an elected politician.

How did that work out?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 03, 2015 03:59 PM (xSCb6)

295 "It's going to burn whether we let it or not."


As mentioned in the previous thread, $17 trill' in debt and adding every year. And no sign of it being stopped or even moderately slowed by either major party.
It's burning.



Add in $150 trillion in unfunded liabilities and BOOM!

Posted by: rickb223 at March 03, 2015 03:59 PM (HZJjy)

296 CHOOSE THE FORM OF YOUR DESTRUCTOR

Posted by: Bigby's Fistbump at March 03, 2015 04:00 PM (3ZtZW)

297 Republicans for the past two decades, at least, have operated under the assurance that conservatives, when push comes to shove, will vote Republican.

That won't change unless we change it.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 03, 2015 04:00 PM (BZAd3)

298 After supporting the Republicans and having nothing to show for it except for this penis broken off in my rear end, I will never take one for the team by voting GOPe again.

That doesn't mean I'll ever vote for a full on libtard though. It's bad enough having one broken off in my a**, I sure don't need another one in my mouth. Obama, Biden, Carter, Clinton, Media Matters, Acorn, Reid, Durbin, Schumer, Sharpton, Holder, Pelosi, Feinstein, Franken, Schultz, Jackson, Waters...the list is endless.

I AM done with the GOPe, but have not lost sight of who the true enemies of my country are.

Posted by: 2L at March 03, 2015 04:00 PM (TaO1J)

299 "The worse, the better." Don't kid yourself that a country only has to go down the tubes so far before The People will rise up and revolt.

There are too many examples in history of people simply knuckling under to tyranny until it's eventually exploded from outside. When is the North Korean revolution going to happen? Anyone holding their breath?

For every person in "1984" who was forced into submission with rats on his face, there were probably a hundred people who went without their daily gruel so they could save up for a gold-framed picture of Big Brother for their wall. Don't kid yourself that Americans would be any different.

The American Revolution was carried off by a small minority, and even back then they knew what one of their big problems would be:

"...accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."

Posted by: TB at March 03, 2015 04:00 PM (8u/5i)

300 The executive amnesty has already been stopped pending judicial review,and it will probably be killed in the Supreme Court-
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Hmm, I think I feel a ruling coming on...and payola to illegals...I'm thinking reverse tax. That's a thing in the constitution. Totes.

Posted by: John Roberts at March 03, 2015 04:00 PM (78TbK)

301
The executive amnesty has already been stopped pending judicial review,and it will probably be killed in the Supreme Court-
when it gets to the the supreme court and they see congressvoted to fundobama's eo on immigration they'll rule it constitutional.the court defers to congress.we're screwed

Posted by: kj at March 03, 2015 04:00 PM (lKyWE)

302 I'm still a bit mystified on why Boehner is taking all the heat here. The House passed a DHS bill without funding Obama's illegal actions and sent it to the Senate where McConnell proceeds to screw the pooch.

Boehner got the bill passed. McConnell failed. Why is this Boehner's fault?

Posted by: JackStraw at March 03, 2015 04:00 PM (g1DWB)

303 Posted by: Jim at March 03, 2015 03:55 PM (golr6)

Yeah, but Obama just ignored that the nothing has changed. No one is being deported.

They will find a judge to overturn it.

And if it gets to the supremes, they will say "if Congress thought it was unconstitutional, they would have exercised the power of the purse. it is not the role of the judiciary to get in between an executive and legislative power struggle."

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 03, 2015 04:01 PM (AkOaV)

304 Eh, I couldn't stomach voting for a candidate of the Democrat Party... or Green Party... or Communist Party... or Nazi Party... But, I don't rule out a vote for some other third party.

Just a reminder: the Libertarian Party is for open borders and cheap labor, too. Yeah, yeah, they're not for "amnesty" but it's a distinction without a difference.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at March 03, 2015 04:01 PM (+FyX1)

305 I personally think it is rather stupid to be thinking about 2016. At the rate we are going, we aren't going to be around that long.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 03, 2015 04:01 PM (20Zla)

306 "They should all quit. I would."


They would need to have scruples and a sense of shame. And they don't have either.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 03, 2015 04:01 PM (LA7Cm)

307 Posted by: Jim at March 03, 2015 03:55 PM (golr6)

Sigh.... the Judges ruling only affects the 26 States which were part of the Lawsuit.

And the Feds are already trying to overturn that ruling.

ONE Judge stood up against Obama... and it turns out he has no support from the rest of the Government....

Posted by: BB Wolf, retired Sailor at March 03, 2015 04:01 PM (qh617)

308
Jesus, just jump off the ledge already so the whining will stop. It sucks, but we conservatives are not a majority in the country. The Internet lets us pretend otherwise, but most Americans simply do not give a crap about anything that does not immediately affect them or their families. That's just the way it is.

You all can act like pissed off teenagers and sit out or vote for the Democrats, but I will continue to support conservatives in the least-bad option. Moderate Republicans are infuriating, but where it really counts, in matters of life and death, I will choose that party over the ones that booed God at their convention, is fanatically devoted to the idea of ending innocent life in the womb, did everything they could to undermine the country while troops were fighting overseas, and are doing everything they can to ensure Israel suffers another holocaust.



This is all nonsense, especially the part I bolded.

Posted by: Soothsayer The Incorrigble II at March 03, 2015 04:02 PM (omuEe)

309 It sure was a nice Country.

Posted by: Infidel at March 03, 2015 04:02 PM (hzk7S)

310 Posted by: RedStick at March 03, 2015 03:57 PM (k6J0K)

Waych it. Now some "f you" bombs will come hurling at you for daring to express an unpopular opinion. I fundamentally agree with you. I'm a registered Democrat-yes, still-and I will NEVER vote for the party that booed God.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 03, 2015 04:02 PM (DXzRD)

311 Hope Rand Paul or Ted Cruz filibusters this new House bill and causes a DHS shutdown. Of course, then they'll be criticized for doing what we elected them to do (and doing what the Dems just did). Why are we funding a department that shouldn't even exist (and didn't until just a few years ago)?

Freaking idiots in Ohio who keep voting for Boehner in his primary..

Posted by: Robert at March 03, 2015 04:02 PM (aRr3k)

312
Hey Jen. I don't think you deserve to be cursed out, but you are dead wrong.

Believe me, I agreed with your position - 2 years ago.
If you see the players for exactly who and what they are and what their records are, you cannot but help coming to the same conclusion, painful as it may be.

Mitt's a nice guy, a helluva good businessman and family man. but his political policies and record stink on ice. He's a statist, or at least is in the camp that big government is fine so long as the GOP get to run it.

Sorry, but that's reality toots.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 04:02 PM (CMkNk)

313 It's actually been over since March 4th, 2008. The rest has been pure denial. Bonus subscription points for any ron or ette that knows what that was.

Posted by: Mega at March 03, 2015 04:02 PM (hHFOx)

314 I switched to Demoncrat 10 months ago. Welcome to the club Ace.

Posted by: Jack at March 03, 2015 04:02 PM (XhzTz)

315 It's not about people "sitting out," it's about people knowing that they're not going to be represented no matter which of the major candidates is elected.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 03, 2015 03:52 PM (kff5f)


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And this has been the reason why I've said that the republic is gone. As in the earlier thread when I stated that on the fed level, future elections will be fixed to the liking of only the elitists. We are being ruled now.

And as I've also said, if the states don't stand up to this, then it really is over.

Posted by: Soona at March 03, 2015 04:02 PM (/HX7u)

316 Woohoo! I get to be a Democrat. Now everyone at work will stop looking at me funny when I don't go to the Democrat potluck dinners... or whatever it is they do when they get together and do what they do.

Egad, I hope it's not group sex.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 03, 2015 04:02 PM (TOk1P)

317
This is not surprising. Same ole same ole. I stopped identifying myself as Republican about the time George H. Bush broke his no new taxes pledge.

Independent, meaning I vote conservative and nothing else. All one can do.

Posted by: Dave at March 03, 2015 04:02 PM (Q39AM)

318
Burn. Scatter. Salt.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb

Sounds like a dish served at Waffle House.
Posted by: Moderate Salami
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Or my truck. Right now at Sunset and Figueroa.

Posted by: Manuel Labor at March 03, 2015 04:03 PM (wAQA5)

319 "For example, one thing we wouldn't be doing right now is arguing over Congress funding an illegal EO that Obama put in place last year. I don't think anyone is deluded enough to think that Romney would have done that."
No, they would have done a full amnesty Gang of Eight bill, right off the bat.

Posted by: Ken at March 03, 2015 04:03 PM (LXJ1e)

320 The executive amnesty has already been stopped pending judicial review,and it will probably be killed in the Supreme Court-


Then let them enforce it.

Posted by: BHO at March 03, 2015 04:03 PM (sWgE+)

321
there is no hill the gop will chose to fight and die on.

Posted by: kj at March 03, 2015 04:03 PM (lKyWE)

322 If you cannot win with ballots, people eventually resort to bullets. I don't like it, but you can see it coming. 2014 was my last vote, I'm not going to bother.

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at March 03, 2015 04:03 PM (hslAc)

323 Texas should secede. Not violently.

Just politely state that we no longer wish to participate in this whole USA thing.

Posted by: CozMark at March 03, 2015 04:03 PM (P0AbR)

324 I'll never become a Democrat again (was technically registered one up until '92, due to having lived in a one-party big city up until then).

RINO used to mean one thing. But, since 2012, I have to consider myself a RINO - Republican In Name Only - because that's what I am: a man without a political party (one of many, unfortunately).

I may be registered still under the [R], but I am in reality a Common Sense, Constitutional, Conservative. I vote for individual persons, putting principles ahead of party.

I'll be voting for Ted Cruz in 2016 whether he's the Republican nominee or not.

Posted by: Trubador at March 03, 2015 04:03 PM (hNy5K)

325
And now a little joy as I get to feed the kittehs.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 04:04 PM (CMkNk)

326 Posted by: Jim at March 03, 2015 03:55 PM (golr6)
The objective has NOT been achieved. Boner stated unequivocally last week "No clean bill". Now he bends over for Pelosi/Reid/Mcconnell?

Are we really wanting to hang on our hats on a lower court ruling that Obama's EO is illegal? It won't get settled until the Supremes look at it. All it takes is another judge to set aside that ruling, or issue a stay and next thing you know - its not blocked any more.

Now we have a larger wave of illegals (and more terrorists?) streaming across the border. How do you put the genie back in the bottle then?

Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at March 03, 2015 04:04 PM (DlmoZ)

327 Boehner got the bill passed. McConnell failed. Why is this Boehner's fault?

Posted by: JackStraw at March 03, 2015 04:00 PM (g1DWB)


Because if Bonehead had passed an Amended Bill... it would have gone to Conference...

And a conference committee could then have put language in to not fund the Amnesty...

and Conference reports in the Senate get an up or down vote.... so a simple majority could have passed it.

Posted by: BB Wolf, retired Sailor at March 03, 2015 04:04 PM (qh617)

328 Woohoo! I get to be a Democrat. Now everyone at work will stop looking
at me funny when I don't go to the Democrat potluck dinner
***
On the plus side, when it is your turn to share during the 2 minute hate you can talk about Boehner and the Turtle too...

Posted by: 18-1 at March 03, 2015 04:04 PM (78TbK)

329 I'm hoping Palin or someone will start a 3rd party or take over one of the existing ones. If not I'll vote with any 3rd party that runs a candidate or do a write in. I can't vote Dem ever again though, I will not support that media/commie complex.

Posted by: PaleRider at March 03, 2015 04:04 PM (dkExz)

330
And don't forget the so-called Net Neutrality surrender..

Posted by: Soothsayer The Incorrigble II at March 03, 2015 04:04 PM (omuEe)

331 Just a reminder: the Libertarian Party is for open borders and cheap labor, too. Yeah, yeah, they're not for "amnesty" but it's a distinction without a difference.



If you have open borders, you don't need amnesty.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 03, 2015 04:05 PM (HZJjy)

332 Ace, if the leadership can only pull in 30% of the conference on an issue like this, the problem's not the party but the leadership. Boehner must go.

Posted by: crrr6 at March 03, 2015 03:55 PM (Vqcn4)
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Oh please! How many of these other 70% voted to fund the DHS with a clean bill before Boehner got Pelosi on board? Show-votes so that they can brag tin their district how they defied leadership. Dont be a chump!

Posted by: Elize Nayden at March 03, 2015 04:05 PM (3uNuH)

333 God, being the perfect gentleman, will come in when invited and leave when requested. With all the various decisions our Judiciary has made regarding the "freedom of religion" and "separation of church and state", God must have took the hint and left, taking our national unity with Him. How else can you explain so many people being so completely deceived about such obvious things? It's mind-boggling to say the least.

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at March 03, 2015 04:05 PM (h4UbF)

334 222 Can anyone begin to explain the thinking to this?

Money, Chamber of Commerce wants the amnesty in a bad way. Cheap labor.
Posted by: wrg500 at March 03, 2015 03:50 PM (sWgE+)

Say it with me:

Servant Class.

That's what they want. And it's why they're all so damn keen to team up with the Donks to jam amnesty up our asses.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at March 03, 2015 04:05 PM (KkVB6)

335 I can't vote democrat. I can vote green, libertarian, constitutional, none of the above, but i can't mark the X for a dem.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 03, 2015 04:05 PM (F2IAQ)

336 The irony is going to be because of these open borders, ISIS flunkies sneak in and attack DC.

Posted by: Iblis at March 03, 2015 04:05 PM (9221z)

337
ACE

Hear ya, but we're in NY. Vote any 3rd Party and encourage any leftover GOP NYers to do the same. I think that should also happen in ALL Blue States to start it going right.

Posted by: Bigby's Fistbump at March 03, 2015 04:05 PM (3ZtZW)

338 Yay, Whigs!

Posted by: Chief Justice Roberts at March 03, 2015 04:05 PM (MMC8r)

339 >>Because if Bonehead had passed an Amended Bill... it would have gone to Conference...

Not it would not.

Next?

Posted by: JackStraw at March 03, 2015 04:05 PM (g1DWB)

340 List, please?

You really should make your own list. There are so many factors to consider. Personally I like Panama and Uruguay best.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at March 03, 2015 04:05 PM (zauWW)

341 Boehner got the bill passed. McConnell failed. Why is this Boehner's fault?

Posted by: JackStraw at March 03, 2015 04:00 PM (g1DWB)



Because he put the damned thing forward in this form.

Next stupid fucking prevaricating question, please.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 03, 2015 04:06 PM (659DL)

342 Posted by: trumpetdaddy at March 03, 2015 03:34 PM (ljZD2)

Shut your dick hole.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at March 03, 2015 04:06 PM (j6e8f)

343 @306

McConnell's only option was to nuke the filibuster, but he did not. He is a fool as it the remnants of it will be gone the next time it's the last barrier between the left and their next big initiative.

The reason it's Boehner's fault is because he has a 4 year track record of selling us out, and this was the coup de grace. His bluffs are fooling no one, and the result was predictable. Either you fight enough battles to win so that when you're bluffing, you look credible enough to win some of those too, but he does neither. We've gotten NOTHING out of him as Speaker. Nothing.

Posted by: crrr6 at March 03, 2015 04:06 PM (Vqcn4)

344 Sorry, Ben, we couldn't keep it.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 03, 2015 04:06 PM (kff5f)

345
Anyone remember when I kept asking last year what the Republicans stood for?


What do the Republicans stand for, today? Just give me one thing.

Posted by: Soothsayer The Incorrigble II at March 03, 2015 04:06 PM (omuEe)

346 When it becomes impossible for the government to buy votes it will be interesting times.

We are advancing in that direction right now, and as Levin says a post constitutional america.

It is not written in stone after the burning times the constitution would be restored but there will be enough patriots to give it a good go. It is my personal belief it will be restored with a few minor improvements like term limits.

But that is me the ever optimist.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 03, 2015 04:06 PM (WNERA)

347 We need a second party given that repubs and demoncats agree on amnesty and fucking over the American worker. A real conservative party. Of course dems will win at first as we are splintered, but eventually after several years we will outpoll the republicans 30-20, and then they will be forced to join us or go the way of the whigs.

I know this is a long shot, but it is OUR ONLY CHANCE to reverse our decline.

Posted by: Dan at March 03, 2015 04:06 PM (COpZ4)

348 " The worse, the better."

welcome to the party pal... this has been my philosophy here in #Failifornia, especially at the local level, where i encourage the moonbats around me to go full retard...

of course, i also laugh at them when they bitch about the inevitable results of their stupidity, and accuse them of cowardice when they try to avoid the painful results that inevitably occur from their delusional beliefs.

fuck'em all and feed'em fish.

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 03, 2015 04:06 PM (Vha1U)

349 there is no hill the gop will chose to fight and die on.
___
Oh, there are hills we would tell them to fight and die on.

Like this whole living wage thing. Do you know how much we had to spend to get our new discounted employees...that would suck if the Dems and conservative Republicans united to make it all pointless.

Posted by: The Chamber of Commerce at March 03, 2015 04:06 PM (78TbK)

350 And now Boehner's failure is complete.

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 03, 2015 04:06 PM (JO9+V)

351 Is there a list of who voted for it

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 03, 2015 04:06 PM (zOTsN)

352 Preemptive surrender, kids.

It's what all great nations do in their declining years.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 03, 2015 04:06 PM (659DL)

353 now i know what cleveland browns fans must feel like. Posted by: kj at March 03, 2015 03:57 PM (lKyWE)

No, not even close. You have a ways to go yet.

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at March 03, 2015 04:07 PM (h4UbF)

354 Any dreams of a third party ended with a shooting that had absolutely nothing to do with a third party - but the MSM made it so and it worked.

Posted by: Mega at March 03, 2015 04:07 PM (hHFOx)

355 MDA a party drug.



Moron Derangement Agenda.




More confusing than the real MDA.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 03, 2015 04:07 PM (0FSuD)

356 "We don't want Bibi's speech to be overshadowed by partisan rancor. We want it to cover our capitulation."

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 03, 2015 04:07 PM (Y92Nd)

357 Any morons who are in states like CA, NY, WA, OR, IL, CT, MD, etc. Get the fuck out now. Even if you just elected a GOP governor, there is no hope for you. Why allow them to bleed your personal resources dry?

Move now. Seriously.

Posted by: Y-not at March 03, 2015 04:07 PM (9BRsg)

358 344 List, please?

You really should make your own list. There are so many factors to consider. Personally I like Panama and Uruguay best.
Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at March 03, 2015 04:05 PM (zauWW)


Screw that, pick a small island country, knock it over, and put ourselves in charge.

Posted by: Iblis at March 03, 2015 04:07 PM (9221z)

359 Wait a second -- "almost 70% of Republicans vote 'No'" -- only 30% of the GOP are traitors?

Posted by: cthulhu at March 03, 2015 04:07 PM (T1005)

360 >>>Hope Rand Paul or Ted Cruz filibusters this new
House bill and causes a DHS shutdown. Of course, then they'll be
criticized for doing what we elected them to do (and doing what the Dems
just did). Why are we funding a department that shouldn't even exist
(and didn't until just a few years ago)?



Freaking idiots in Ohio who keep voting for Boehner in his primary..

Posted by: Robert at March 03, 2015 04:02 PM (aRr3k)<<<

This would be hilarious. The MFM completely ignore that the Dems commies in the Senate were the ones to block a floor vote, knowing the Senate Repubes would pass it sending it to SCOAMF.
Now I'm sure if Cruz or someone blocked this, they'd scream bloody fucking murder, and the filibuster would once again be the most pernicious evil in the universe as we know it.

But then again, the Repubes and commies would just override the filibuster, giving President Precious his clean bill.

Posted by: Irony at March 03, 2015 04:08 PM (OVx7B)

361 "We are advancing in that direction right now, and as Levin says a post constitutional america."

That's why they're confiscating the ammo.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 03, 2015 04:08 PM (Y92Nd)

362 But that is me the ever optimist.
Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 03, 2015 04:06

I'm a realist but hey I don't hold that against you.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 03, 2015 04:08 PM (F2IAQ)

363 Posted by: trumpetdaddy at March 03, 2015 03:34 PM

GFY. The point was to make Hussein finally own his own shutdown by virtue of his veto pen. That's why the Senate rats knew if they could stop it from ever getting there Boehner and McConnell would eventually cave.

Posted by: crrr6 at March 03, 2015 04:08 PM (Vqcn4)

364 361 Any morons who are in states like CA, NY, WA, OR, IL, CT, MD, etc. Get the fuck out now. Even if you just elected a GOP governor, there is no hope for you. Why allow them to bleed your personal resources dry?

Move now. Seriously.
Posted by: Y-not at March 03, 2015 04:07 PM (9BRsg)


Already looking for work outside of NY. Was hoping to have the mortgage completely paid off, but at this point...

Posted by: Iblis at March 03, 2015 04:08 PM (9221z)

365 ***And don't forget the so-called Net Neutrality surrender..***


The list of Don't Forgets is getting too long to remember.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 03, 2015 04:08 PM (xSCb6)

366 >>Next stupid fucking prevaricating question, please.

So what was your genius solution? They already sent one bill over in the form you wanted and McConnell fucked it up.

The only other solution was a government solution which I was ok with. But what was the end game. Just shut it down indefinitely because you know Obama, who loves chaos, would never have given.

I was fine with fighting and having a shutdown but I was never stupid enough to know that we were going to get Obama to sign a bill he didn't want. Were you?

Posted by: JackStraw at March 03, 2015 04:09 PM (g1DWB)

367 Basically, unless someone voted against Boehner, I'm for primarying him or her.

Posted by: Y-not at March 03, 2015 03:45 PM (9BRsg)


This is a good point, and a constructive suggestion. If there are PACs that exist or can be created to fund primary challenges to the Republican house leadership, knocking off a few more (Cantor having been the first) could potentially change their current spineless behavior.

Posted by: CQD at March 03, 2015 04:09 PM (2dzsA)

368 343 >>Because if Bonehead had passed an Amended Bill... it would have gone to Conference...

Not it would not.

Next?

Posted by: JackStraw at March 03, 2015 04:05 PM (g1DWB)


Uh.... why not.... that is the procedure when the two houses of congress pass different bills...

Why would it NOT go to conference... unless the LEADERSHIP did not want it to?

Posted by: BB Wolf, retired Sailor at March 03, 2015 04:09 PM (qh617)

369 355 Is there a list of who voted for it

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 03, 2015 04:06 PM (zOTsN)


http://tinyurl.com/n4oqhss

Posted by: Tami at March 03, 2015 04:09 PM (v0/PR)

370
And now a little joy as I get to feed the kittehs.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton
............................
What a great country! Everybody gets free meals and a place to live!

Posted by: Manuel Labor at March 03, 2015 04:09 PM (wAQA5)

371 I went independent in 2008. I've never regretted it although a few times I thought that if they hung tough on this issue or that, I'd consider re-upping. Of course, that never happened.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at March 03, 2015 04:09 PM (j6e8f)

372
363 Wait a second -- "almost 70% of Republicans vote 'No'" -- only 30% of the GOP are traitors?
Posted by: cthulhu at March 03, 2015 04:07 PM (T1005)



Show votes that don't matter. Let me know when those 70% vote to remove Boehner from the Speaker.

Posted by: Buzzion at March 03, 2015 04:09 PM (z/Ubi)

373 It occurs to me that the most serious way to deal with this outrage is to ask Cruz and co to start working on a living wage bill that specifically includes newly amnestied workers...

Let's make the Chamber of Commerce regret their decision....

Posted by: 18-1 at March 03, 2015 04:09 PM (78TbK)

374 Wait a second -- "almost 70% of Republicans vote 'No'" -- only 30% of the GOP are traitors?
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Don't allow yourself to be fooled by that.

Once Boehner knew how the vote was going to go, there was plenty of room for Republicans to cast fig leaf votes.

If they supported Boehner for Speaker, primary their asses.

Posted by: Y-not at March 03, 2015 04:09 PM (9BRsg)

375 Thanks Tami

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 03, 2015 04:09 PM (zOTsN)

376 Ace I agree 100%.

Posted by: Xavier at March 03, 2015 04:09 PM (sTWPi)

377 TLR USA SCOAMF

Posted by: tmitsss at March 03, 2015 04:09 PM (1nj96)

378 Posted by: Soothsayer The Incorrigble II at March 03, 2015 04:06 PM (omuEe)

Making themselves rich and powerful. duh.

Posted by: Y-not at March 03, 2015 04:07 PM (9BRsg)

Wayyy ahead of ya. One tax increase too many and I just said "fuck it. Why do I live here, again?" and couldnt come up with any good reasons.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 03, 2015 04:09 PM (AkOaV)

379 Well I'll NEVER vote for a fuckin cock sucker Democrat but I might stay home sit on my hands and drink.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 03, 2015 04:09 PM (rDqRv)

380
>>>Move now. Seriously.

Can't yet, seriously. In 2-3 years, yes. To WI of all fkn places! Yay snow...?

Posted by: Bigby's Fistbump at March 03, 2015 04:10 PM (3ZtZW)

381 And don't forget the so-called Net Neutrality surrender..
Posted by: Soothsayer The Incorrigble II at March 03, 2015 04:04 PM (omuEe)



Oh, shit. We forgot about that. Geez. So much to surrender, so little time.

Posted by: Boner and Turtle at March 03, 2015 04:10 PM (/HX7u)

382 Howdy box people. Long time no see.


Nice to see Jack's still shilling for the GOPe. He's loyal I'd nothing else. Stupid, but loyal.


So ... What's the plan. Vote D to quicken the collapse, or third party ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 03, 2015 04:10 PM (mXHAG)

383 Soothsayer

Conservatives ARE the majority in the country. Poll after poll done on people's actual positions, values, and views on the various issues show over and over again that, labels aside, this is a center right country.

I am sorry if the outpouring of deep sorrow, sadness, and betrayal bothers you; however, I think people are entitled to being a bit broken up by the fact that our country has ceased to be and quite possibly may never again be recognizable to any of us that are over the age of 35. I think I share some people's sentiments today when I say that today it became real to me that our country is lost and that I truly no longer have any representation of any kind, on any level. that's really real to me now, and if it bothers you that some of us are grieving for the loss of our country and our freedoms, well, I have to wonder why you aren't broken up yourself.

Posted by: Miss Completely Done at March 03, 2015 04:10 PM (2/oBD)

384 Yw, ThunderB.

Posted by: Tami at March 03, 2015 04:10 PM (v0/PR)

385
i find it disgusting that the gop sat, listen and applauded to bibi this morning telling the worldthat a tiny country like israel will stand alone if it has to against the iranian threat then they turn around bend over and surrender in the afternoon

Posted by: kj at March 03, 2015 04:10 PM (lKyWE)

386 It's official! I am now a registered Democrat!

Posted by: Miss Completely Done at March 03, 2015 04:10 PM (2/oBD)

387 The best part is that 70% of the Rs voted against it.

The Democrats think their voters are lying liars who lie (so they won't mind so much when they do it). The Republicans think their voters are stupid, and can't see thru obvious kabuki. You would think the Harriet Myers debacle might have convinced them otherwise but there's been so much rolling over in the Age of Obama they seem to be determined to test the waters again.

Posted by: East Bay Jay at March 03, 2015 04:10 PM (7v8o1)

388 How long will it be now before Stretch Pelosi is swinging the Speaker gavel again? '16? '18?

Posted by: Hank at March 03, 2015 04:10 PM (S1NkT)

389 >>>Last I checked, registered republicans(and in some states, democrats) voted in primaries to nominate Romney.
He ran against numerous other republicans in those primaries.
Posted by: Jen the original at March 03, 2015 03:51 PM (zuDPz>>>

Last I checked, the corporatist GOP set the calendar to allow Romney to run away with the election on the backs of Democrat and open primary states.

Posted by: gm at March 03, 2015 04:10 PM (/kBoL)

390 What do the Republicans stand for, today? Just give me one thing.

Posted by: Soothsayer The Incorrigble II at March 03, 2015 04:06 PM (omuEe)


Their own self-aggrandizement?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 03, 2015 04:10 PM (kff5f)

391 >>McConnell's only option was to nuke the filibuster, but he did not. He is a fool as it the remnants of it will be gone the next time it's the last barrier between the left and their next big initiative.

Which I have been consistently saying for months. The only way this bill was ever going to get passed was for McConnell to amend the Senate rules. Period.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 03, 2015 04:11 PM (g1DWB)

392 I'm reminded of this verse in the bible, Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
I'd wager that we had any idea of the evil that daily goes on in DC, we would be sick. The corruption we know is just the surface, and cleaner than what lies beneath.

Do not stay to push of punitive politics. That is the final stage of every horrid revolution ever. Even the good guys give up, and then evil wins. A change born of anger, hate, and bitterness CANNOT result in anything but that which created it. This is why the left will never create their utopia: a revolution born of deceit hate and self-righteous will result in regime built upon the same (see French revolution).

We must do what is right though w be made look like fools for it. We shall not preserve our world perhaps, but we can preserve ourselves and thus when evil has destroyed itself we can rebuild, and teach others on the way. But if we should allow evil to dominate us, what hope is there all?

Posted by: mja at March 03, 2015 04:11 PM (nTSJJ)

393 So what was your genius solution?

Actual congressional oppositon to executive overreach. Shut it down and make him blink instead of caving. This is not a 218 seat majority.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 03, 2015 04:11 PM (659DL)

394 344 List, please?
You really should make your own list. There are so many factors to consider. Personally I like Panama and Uruguay best.
Posted by: SpongeBobSaget a
_____________________

Those have been on my list for several years. I'm just always hoping there's some place I've overlooked.

Posted by: Furious George, doomed at March 03, 2015 04:11 PM (UlJ3l)

395 I might stay home sit on my hands and drink.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 03, 2015 04:09 PM (rDqRv)

I might join you.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 03, 2015 04:12 PM (Zu3d9)

396 Vote any 3rd Party and encourage any leftover GOP NYers to do the same. I think that should also happen in ALL Blue States to start it going right.
Posted by: Bigby's Fistbump at March 03, 2015 04:05 PM (3ZtZW)

Possibly moving from NYC to Commiefornia. They seem to have a more active LP there. The young know they got stuck with the bill for the old who don't leave. In NY, the elderly move to FL.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 03, 2015 04:12 PM (Y92Nd)

397 Never look for salvation from politicians.

Posted by: Iblis at March 03, 2015 04:12 PM (9221z)

398 Hey Jen?

I repeat.....I owe you nothing. Not one fucking thing.

The time for civility has long since passed.

Posted by: FITP at March 03, 2015 04:12 PM (jjmtb)

399 now i know what cleveland browns fans must feel like. Posted by: kj at March 03, 2015 03:57 PM (lKyWE)

No, not even close. You have a ways to go yet.
Posted by: 1bulwetweft at March 03, 2015 04:07 PM (h4UbF)



Obligatory:

http://bit.ly/1GgWxUq

Posted by: alexthechick - LIV ahoy! at March 03, 2015 04:12 PM (mf5HN)

400 Just sent this to the RNC



Don't ever contact me again asking for money after this abject surrender. You can kiss my conservative ass.


And I signed it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 03, 2015 04:12 PM (rDqRv)

401 >>Nice to see Jack's still shilling for the GOPe. He's loyal I'd nothing else. Stupid, but loyal.

Also comforting to know you still have a 3rd grade reading ability. It is comforting to know some things never change.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 03, 2015 04:12 PM (g1DWB)

402 Republicans are always playing and winning 11th dimensional chess, but we inexplicably keep moving left.



But don't change a thing!

Posted by: GOP Apologist at March 03, 2015 04:12 PM (xSCb6)

403 I might join you. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 03, 2015 04:12 PM (Zu3d9)

You're going to sit on NGU's hands too?

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at March 03, 2015 04:13 PM (h4UbF)

404 kj

i find it disgusting that our feckless leaders don't know how to negotiate. i also find it disgusting that people use Israel as a convenient way to express their deep rooted hatred of Jews. i also find it disgusting that we don't have one leader in congress that can hold a candle to Bibi.

Posted by: Miss Completely Done at March 03, 2015 04:13 PM (2/oBD)

405 The list of Don't Forgets is getting too long to remember.

-
And too nausea-inducing. As the prophet Dylan said,

An' here I sit so patiently
Waiting to find out what price
You have to pay to get out of
Going through all these things twice

Posted by: The Great White Snark at March 03, 2015 04:13 PM (j6e8f)

406

Tell me this, how did harry reid get away with doing whateverthefuck he wanted in the Senate for 8 years (2007-2015) while McConnell can't do Just One Thing right?

Tell me, please, how pelosi did whatever she wanted in the House for 4 years and no one in the Democrat party wet their pants over the repercussions?

OF FUCKING COURSE IT'S BOEHNER'S FAULT. HE SUCKS.

Posted by: Soothsayer The Incorrigble II at March 03, 2015 04:13 PM (omuEe)

407 I'm glad I went to the dentist today to have three fillings replaced. They gave me nitrous, so I'm comfortably numb for the GOP's inevitable betrayal.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 03, 2015 04:13 PM (Y92Nd)

408 It occurs to me that the most serious way to deal with this outrage is to ask Cruz and co to start working on a living wage bill that specifically includes newly amnestied workers...Let's make the Chamber of Commerce regret their decision....
Posted by: 18-1 at March 03, 2015 04:09 PM (78TbK)


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It'll never pass. Baraka and both parties want a voting underclass. They're the ones that keep them in power.

Posted by: Soona at March 03, 2015 04:13 PM (/HX7u)

409 374
And now a little joy as I get to feed the kittehs.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton
............................
What a great country! Everybody gets free meals and a place to live!
Posted by: Manuel Labor at March 03, 2015 04:09 PM (wAQA5)



My cats are also mousers and actually WORK for their supper.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 04:14 PM (CMkNk)

410
>>>I think people are entitled to being a bit broken up by the fact that our country has ceased to be and quite possibly may never again be recognizable to any of us that are over the age of 35.

That is always the case, in all eras. The response is typically a desire to hole up somewhere and pull what parts of the world you like in after you. But the world goes on, as ever it did, uncaring.

Posted by: Bigby's Fistbump at March 03, 2015 04:14 PM (3ZtZW)

411
I was fine with fighting and having a shutdown but I was never stupid enough to know that we were going to get Obama to sign a bill he didn't want. Were you?
Posted by: JackStraw at March 03, 2015 04:09

The Dems fight dirty and hard. The GOPe not. They couldve passed a bill for no funding of amnesty and put it on the JEF's desk. But they chose not to that. The great unwashed couldve seen the pres. veto homeland security.

McConnell could have nuked the filibuster. They could have pulled the same shit the dems did with Obamacare. No Obama was never going to go along with it. But, at least they could have put up a fight. They didn't. My neutered Setter has more balls than those gutless dick weeds. F*ck I'm pissed.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 03, 2015 04:14 PM (F2IAQ)

412 He accomplished what he wanted to. He is not inept. He has a spine. This is what he wanted

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 03, 2015 04:14 PM (zOTsN)

413 Boner got 100% Democrat support.

If that's not a red flag to you, there's something wrong with you.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 03, 2015 04:14 PM (MMC8r)

414 399 I might stay home sit on my hands and drink.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 03, 2015 04:09 PM (rDqRv)

I might join you.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 03, 2015 04:12 PM (Zu3d9)

Ooh, is that like playing edward 40 hands?

You know, where you duct tape 40 oz's to your hands and cant use your hands until they're empty?

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 03, 2015 04:14 PM (AkOaV)

415 >>>>Which I have been consistently saying for months. The only way this bill was ever going to get passed was for McConnell to amend the Senate rules. Period.
.
.
.
.And that was exactly what he said he would not do if he became Senate Majority Leader. He was consistent on that from the start to the end of his campaign.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 03, 2015 04:14 PM (4oSLk)

416 I've always wanted to vote for the "Working Families Party" anyway.

I know they are communists. But like it matters anyway.

Posted by: Marcus T. at March 03, 2015 04:14 PM (GGCsk)

417 I would just like to point out to everyone that the GOP gets outfoxed by Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Barack Obama.

*wanders off innocently*

Posted by: alexthechick - LIV ahoy! at March 03, 2015 04:15 PM (mf5HN)

418 Posted by: JackStraw at March 03, 2015 04:11 PM (g1DWB)

Bullshit...

all they needed to do was send the damn bill to conference.... control who was on the committee... put the language BACK IN...

Conference reports are not subject to debate in the Senate... thus no Filibuster.... straight up and down vote.

THAT was the path to winning.... which the leadership of the GOP CHOSE not to take.

Posted by: BB Wolf, retired Sailor at March 03, 2015 04:15 PM (qh617)

419 I'm as mad as anyone about this cave, but I also think the lawsuit is going to prevail on the Administrative Procedures Act grounds. The amnesty is on hold until this suit works its way up. That did sort of take the urgency out of the funding argument.

Republicans are never, ever, ever going to win a shutdown fight. This was no exception.

My $.02

Posted by: rockmom at March 03, 2015 04:15 PM (NYnoe)

420 Turn out the lights, the party's over...

Posted by: Dandy Don Meredith at March 03, 2015 04:15 PM (XMDuf)

421 Honestly, I say go third party. It's time to build a new opposition, an actual opposition.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at March 03, 2015 04:15 PM (jj+OQ)

422 .Start the Shit List.
Primary out the 10 worst.
If that can't be done, just don't vote for that position.
Let them see how many can get elected without conservatives' votes.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 03, 2015 04:15 PM (XmOA9)

423 State legislatures and govts moved even further Right, but the GOP in Congress still can't make the sale to the voters. Fucking losers.

Posted by: Y-not at March 03, 2015 04:15 PM (9BRsg)

424 Lincoln didn't break away from the Whigs and become a damned Democrat. Third parties aren't formed out of fucking spite. They're formed out of necessity.

So if you want a viable third party option, you first create the option. The remaining party, the party which is split, whether Whig or Republican, will wither away of its own accord.

So yeah: voting Democratic Partyis a bad idea. It would've been a bad idea in 1852. It's a bad idea now. You're cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Posted by: troyriser at March 03, 2015 04:15 PM (f56b1)

425 >>Actual congressional oppositon to executive overreach. Shut it down and make him blink instead of caving. This is not a 218 seat majority.

And the only way that was going to happen was for McConnell to nuke the filibuster. This isn't news. There are different rules in the House and Senate.

I was for a shutdown but it required McConnell to take action. I don't believe Obama would have blinked, he had no incentive to, but I do think a fight was worth it now.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 03, 2015 04:15 PM (g1DWB)

426 This continues to piss me off, McConnell was helpless as minority leader while harry asshole reid ran the senate. How come harry asshole reid is still running the senate?

Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 03, 2015 04:15 PM (WNERA)

427 Who the hell brought up the Browns?

REALLY pissed now.

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at March 03, 2015 04:15 PM (TR90z)

428 Tell me this, how did harry reid get away with doing whateverthefuck he wanted in the Senate for 8 years (2007-2015) while McConnell can't do Just One Thing right? Tell me, please, how pelosi did whatever she wanted in the House for 4 years and no one in the Democrat party wet their pants over the repercussions? OF FUCKING COURSE IT'S BOEHNER'S FAULT. HE SUCKS.
Posted by: Soothsayer The Incorrigble II at March 03, 2015 04:13 PM (omuEe)


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You're forgetting one simple fact. Boner and Turtle wanted amnesty as badly as the dems wanted it.

Posted by: Soona at March 03, 2015 04:15 PM (/HX7u)

429 Vote D to quicken the collapse, or third party ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 03, 2015 04:10 PM


Either of those "solutions" would break Poppin' Fresh's li'l pudgy heart.

One would Injure the Republican Brand and the other would would be a historical failure (nobody has succeeded since the Republicans 150+ years ago!!11!!) and be Bad Optics because it would show that we don't trust our anointed Leaders.

Me, I haven't quite decided what to do yet. It may not be a worry in '16.

Posted by: MrScribbler at March 03, 2015 04:16 PM (P8YHq)

430 What do you expect from people who are paid like congressmen?

I don't see anyone here giving up their career to jump into the governing business. When you pay like shit, you get shit.

Posted by: jwest at March 03, 2015 04:16 PM (9ZZd+)

431 423, so what? Obama will ignore the court and do it anyway just like he has in the past. Who will stop him?

Posted by: Dan at March 03, 2015 04:16 PM (COpZ4)

432 Well, sorry to say, but this is where we part company Ace.

Supporting fascist Democrats is a bridge too fucking far for me. Just cannot do it. I live in a Democrat town, surrounded by Democrats and most of the people who work in my business are Democrats. I'm on a personal mission to convert each and every one of those people into self-serving ex-Democrats. They don't have to be Republicans (I'm not sure what that is anymore anyway), but I can't abide Democrats.

Posted by: MTF, Bring On the Art. 5 Convention! at March 03, 2015 04:16 PM (FCsIb)

433 Soothsayer

Conservatives ARE the majority in the country. Poll after poll done on people's actual positions, values, and views on the various issues show over and over again that, labels aside, this is a center right country.

I am sorry if the outpouring of deep sorrow, sadness, and betrayal bothers you; however,...



Okay, that's all well and good but I have no idea what you're talking about. Perhaps you meant to address another moron.

Posted by: Soothsayer The Incorrigble II at March 03, 2015 04:17 PM (omuEe)

434 Damn that Ted Cruz.

/s

Posted by: Y-not at March 03, 2015 04:17 PM (9BRsg)

435 Check out. Drop out. Arm up. Load up.

Posted by: Not an Artist at March 03, 2015 04:17 PM (uRumV)

436 Republican Yes votes were mostly in MI, OH, FL, NY, PA, IL


Blue states

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 03, 2015 04:18 PM (zOTsN)

437 I also think the lawsuit is going to prevail on the Administrative Procedures Act grounds.

Yes, let's pin our hopes on what side of the bed Kennedy or Roberts wake up on on a given day.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 03, 2015 04:18 PM (659DL)

438 434 What do you expect from people who are paid like congressmen?

I don't see anyone here giving up their career to jump into the governing business. When you pay like shit, you get shit.

Posted by: jwest at March 03, 2015 04:16 PM (9ZZd+)

Yes, yes, exactly. How do these poor souls manage to live off $174,000 a year plus the most generous benefits known to man, and a pension when they retire?

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 03, 2015 04:18 PM (AkOaV)

439 It occurs to me that the most serious way to deal with this outrage is to ask Cruz and co to start working on a living wage bill that specifically includes newly amnestied workers...

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It occurs to me that a $25/hour minimum wage for restaurant workers associated with the group Ace quoted above would be a good thing.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at March 03, 2015 04:18 PM (j6e8f)

440
I would just like to point out to everyone that the GOP gets outfoxed by Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Barack Obama.

*wanders off innocently*


mumble grumble

Bourbon minus 40 minutes. Couldn't you have waited?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 03, 2015 04:18 PM (JtwS4)

441 >>>The Dems fight dirty and hard. The GOPe not.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 03, 2015 04:14 PM (F2IAQ)>>>

Not true. The GOPe is running ads against conservatives who don't want to fund lawless, executive amnesty. They ran hard, racist ads against Chris McDaniel. They will fight. And fight hard. But, only against limited government conservatives.

Posted by: gm at March 03, 2015 04:18 PM (/kBoL)

442 It'll never pass. Baraka and both parties want a voting underclass. They're the ones that keep them in power.
***
Make him veto the bill. Bring the pain. The time for playing nice is over.

The Dems want amnesty to get a left wing voter base, the Reps want it for cheap labor.

Making the fight, right now, about paying them a living wage and you'll deny both groups much of what they hoped to get out of this treachery.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 03, 2015 04:18 PM (78TbK)

443

At least DHS will be there to keep us safe from the tourists.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 04:18 PM (CMkNk)

444 So... how many people started playing Ingress after it appeared in the sidebar? Played for about 45 minutes today and not once during that time did I think about limp seeping orange boners.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at March 03, 2015 04:19 PM (zauWW)

445 Memo to all of the shit sandwich Republicans who think I should take just one more delicious bite:

http://goo.gl/ADUMG0

Oh sure, it had to do with the Meiers nomination, but the point still stands.

Posted by: physics geek at March 03, 2015 04:19 PM (MT22W)

446 Que chingados?



I'm working on my Spanish skills so I can fit it. So far all I've learned are the cuss words, but that seems fitting somehow.

Posted by: Lurking McLurkerson at March 03, 2015 04:19 PM (O7Q1u)

447
Republicans are never, ever, ever going to win a shutdown fight. This was no exception.

My $.02

Posted by: rockmom


Lulz. But I'm glad you chimed in.

Posted by: Soothsayer The Incorrigble II at March 03, 2015 04:19 PM (omuEe)

448
. I'm on a personal mission to convert each and every one of those people into self-serving ex-Democrats

well you better get busy because obama just created 5 million more democrats

Posted by: kj at March 03, 2015 04:19 PM (lKyWE)

449 Et tu, Johhny Boy?

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 03, 2015 04:19 PM (JO9+V)

450 431 Who the hell brought up the Browns?

REALLY pissed now.


What? Want to talk about the Indians?

Posted by: BHO at March 03, 2015 04:19 PM (sWgE+)

451 I will make this offer:

Demonstrate that a conservative third party can, for two consecutive elections, either 1). Take over the Louisiana Senate; 2). Take over the Louisiana House of Representatives; or 3). Win a majority of Louisiana's delegation to the House.

Do that and you will have proven to me that a 3rd party is a viable replacement for the Republican party.

Why Louisiana? It is a conservative state with a "Jungle Primary" that precludes a Leftist from winning a conservative seat with a plurality of the vote due to the conservative vote being split between GOP and 3rd Party.

You want a 3rd Party to succeed? Install a "Jungle Primary" in your state or install and Instant run-off system.

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 03, 2015 04:19 PM (0Ew3K)

452 423 I'm as mad as anyone about this cave, but I also think the lawsuit is going to prevail on the Administrative Procedures Act grounds. The amnesty is on hold until this suit works its way up. That did sort of take the urgency out of the funding argument.

Republicans are never, ever, ever going to win a shutdown fight. This was no exception.

My $.02
Posted by: rockmom at March 03, 2015 04:15 PM (NYnoe)



You thought John Roberts ruling on Obamacare was a major victory for conservatives. Your $.02 is in Zimbabwe dollars.

Posted by: Buzzion at March 03, 2015 04:19 PM (z/Ubi)

453 Yes, yes, exactly. How do these poor souls manage to live off $174,000 a year plus the most generous benefits known to man, and a pension when they retire?
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 03, 2015 04:18 PM (AkOaV)



And earmarks, for fun a profit.

Posted by: Harry Reid at March 03, 2015 04:19 PM (WNERA)

454 #422 I saw something saying Senate Democrats were refusing to allow a conference on the bill. I guess the rules allow that. I think the Senate has to pass a resolution appointing conferees and the Democrats were going to filibuster that.

Notice how all these big Obama wins happen because the Senate acted first. Same thing with Obamacare.

Our fight should not be with Boehner but with Mitch McConnell for allowing the Senate to pass the clean bill first. And I say that as a former supporter of McConnell. He got ass-raped on this one though. Or he actually supports amnesty, I'm not sure which and I don't care.

Posted by: rockmom at March 03, 2015 04:19 PM (NYnoe)

455 >>What do you expect from people who are paid like congressmen?


This has got to be the stupidest comment ever made here.

"For the first time, more than half of congressional lawmakers are worth at least $1 million"

time.com/373/congress-is-now-mostly-a-millionaires-club/

Posted by: Y-not at March 03, 2015 04:19 PM (9BRsg)

456 "Just a reminder: the Libertarian Party is for open borders and cheap labor, too."

We already have de facto open borders, so who cares?

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 03, 2015 04:19 PM (Y92Nd)

457 >>>440 Republican Yes votes were mostly in MI, OH, FL, NY, PA, IL


Blue states
Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 03, 2015 04:18 PM (zOTsN)>>>

THe kind of states that the GOP puts at the beginning of the Presidential primary calendar to make sure that they get the right kind of nominee.

Posted by: gm at March 03, 2015 04:19 PM (/kBoL)

458 446 Making the fight, right now, about paying them a living wage and you'll deny both groups much of what they hoped to get out of this treachery.
Posted by: 18-1 at March 03, 2015 04:18 PM (78TbK)


What is this "living wage" you speak of? Shouldn't wages be tied to the value of the actual work performed or pay offered?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 04:19 PM (CMkNk)

459 428 Troyriser,

No Troy Chicago is the blueprint....

Rahm-bo is gonna lose to Chuy b/c teachers and amigo grande....

Use the "newer better Americans" to destroy the democrats who killed our system...

The GOP is complicit and useless but as a Gringo backing La Raza I can get retribution.

Posted by: The Smiling Bandit@sven10077 at March 03, 2015 04:19 PM (tPY0a)

460 I have to wonder, if the Republican leadership is self aware enough to know how this kind of thing come across. What is their motivation? I honestly don't buy into the mentality that they're playing for the enemy but at the same time, what is their motivation? Playing for the chamber of commerce/cheap labor/big business wing of the party? Or are they really so paranoid about getting blamed for a attack when HSA is shut down (or kind of shut down, though not really). Or maybe they're just ignoring those of us paying attention (which I guess is relatively small percentage) and trying to fly below the radar, so the LIV isnt galvanized by the press screaming about HSA shutdown?

I'd really love for a reporter to ask something along the lines of "alot of conservatives feel this is betrayal after the 2014 elections. Can you address that?" Actions like this seem to fly in the face of the rather apparent reasons for the 2014 election. I just don't get it, I guess.

Posted by: Matt in Tampa at March 03, 2015 04:19 PM (vDEpI)

461 I have to wonder, if the Republican leadership is self aware enough to know how this kind of thing come across. What is their motivation? I honestly don't buy into the mentality that they're playing for the enemy but at the same time, what is their motivation? Playing for the chamber of commerce/cheap labor/big business wing of the party? Or are they really so paranoid about getting blamed for a attack when HSA is shut down (or kind of shut down, though not really). Or maybe they're just ignoring those of us paying attention (which I guess is relatively small percentage) and trying to fly below the radar, so the LIV isnt galvanized by the press screaming about HSA shutdown?

I'd really love for a reporter to ask something along the lines of "alot of conservatives feel this is betrayal after the 2014 elections. Can you address that?" Actions like this seem to fly in the face of the rather apparent reasons for the 2014 election. I just don't get it, I guess.

Posted by: Matt in Tampa at March 03, 2015 04:20 PM (vDEpI)

462 I don't see anyone here giving up their career to jump into the governing business. When you pay like shit, you get shit.
>>>

It's not the pay that keeps people from running it's
he rectal exam of them and their family by the lying ass media that
keeps the talent pool shallow.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at March 03, 2015 04:20 PM (Mxs5H)

463 If we had a real party, then the GOPers trying to "save" Obamacare would be a feint to the court to lull them into a false sense of security on how disruptive ruling the right way would be.

And then, oh, gosh, the bill to save it doesn't pass, goshdarnit.

But we know they're not doing any of that.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 03, 2015 04:20 PM (L2xDv)

464 "...almost 70% of Republicans vote 'No'"

Ka.Bu.Ki.

They can whip votes just fine if they want something.

They want Amnesty. We've had Amnesty. We'll get much, much more Amnesty.

And those of you getting Amnesty now? You'll be getting ckufed over by the next wave of the Amnestied just like the rest of us. Embrace the suck.

GOP? Dead. Those keeping the illusion of it alive? Those who believe most Republicans oppose Amnesty and, gosh darn it, they're the lesser of evils.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 03, 2015 04:20 PM (1CroS)

465 You would think that just once. JUST. FUCKING. ONCE. -- as men (purportedly) -- that Boehner and McConnell would like to not be embarrassed and look like spineless imbeciles in a battle of wills and minds with Dingy "I got my ass kicked by a workout band" Harry, and a flouncing quim the likes of Beary "I bend over and take it without lube from every shitheel 3rd world despot" Hussein Obama.


I mean, seriously. The odds have to say one time they would luck into a victory. But noooooo. Not these two.

Posted by: how in the everlovin' fuck at March 03, 2015 04:20 PM (OVx7B)

466 How could you vote Democratic after that digusting display of Fredo blowing after Netanyahu spoke. Sit home and drink instead

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 03, 2015 04:20 PM (rDqRv)

467
I don't see anyone here giving up their career to jump into the governing business. When you pay like shit, you get shit.


Are you fucking kidding?

If you think these (primarily) lawyers are starving, you can pass the plate for the poor little millionaires. I'm sure they'll gratefully accept your pennies.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 03, 2015 04:20 PM (MMC8r)

468 Oh well I'm going on a spending/party spree. Going to wipe out my retirement savings. brb

Posted by: See I told yous at March 03, 2015 04:20 PM (XYKz+)

469 Don't bother arguing with Jack. He was against the shutdown before he was for it.


The problem he routinely has is the fact that the shutdown threat he was against actually helped the GOP instead of harmed it (according to his frequent and obviously erroneous claims).

Posted by: GOP Apologist at March 03, 2015 04:20 PM (xSCb6)

470 >>>460 "Just a reminder: the Libertarian Party is for open borders and cheap labor, too."

We already have de facto open borders, so who cares?
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 03, 2015 04:19 PM (Y92Nd)>>>

At least the Libertarians want to get rid of welfare so we don't have to pay to be invaded like we are now.

Posted by: gm at March 03, 2015 04:20 PM (/kBoL)

471 What I am saying is Yes votes were from Republicans in Blue states. Like Boehner. Self interest, you see

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at March 03, 2015 04:20 PM (zOTsN)

472 "Just a reminder: the Libertarian Party is for open borders and cheap labor, too."

Just a reminder that I think the Libertarians are pot-addled idiots.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 03, 2015 04:21 PM (659DL)

473 Well folks, this has made the 2016 primaries dirt simple. Here's the new definition of an acceptable candidate. I give you K-Bob's Razor:


Are you willing to state in your inaugural address that, if someone has come to America illegally, it is your duty to tell them they must go home?


Now, I do not like signed campaign promises, like abu Norquist's tax pledge. Nor do I insist candidates make a pledge. Pledges are things that can cause problems for the best of candidates.


But on this one question, if they answer "no," or you get a strong feeling that their true answer would be "no," then we may as well have Hillary in the White House, so the conflagration can commence while we have adults left who can rebuild from the ashes.

Posted by: K-Bob at March 03, 2015 04:21 PM (zl5vJ)

474 DVR'd a show about Andrew Jackson the other night - gonna watch it and reminisce about what Americans used to be like. Not sure what name to call these assholes occupying that formerly great republic. "Pansexual amoral monosyllabic neo-cretins" is too long.

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at March 03, 2015 04:21 PM (h4UbF)

475 Juan Williams commented, right after repub's got their big majority ..."Good, now they have enough that they can ignore the radical tea party and work with Democrats" (paraphrased)

Posted by: Illiniwek at March 03, 2015 04:21 PM (p4hYf)

476 #443 Great idea, at least that way they won't be raiding the Treasury with the back EITC credits.

Posted by: rockmom at March 03, 2015 04:21 PM (NYnoe)

477
So how 'bout an actual, organized, unified Tea Party?

Most Morons are down with the Tea Party and they don't push social issues so much as to make the SoCons and Ficons and libertarianish all at each other's throats.

Don't be a faction of the GOP, split off.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 03, 2015 04:21 PM (JtwS4)

478 Already looking for work outside of NY. Was hoping to have the mortgage completely paid off, but at this point...

Posted by: Iblis at March 03, 2015 04:08 PM (9221z)

My sis is looking to buy an apartment in NYC within the next year or two. Rent is a killer. But yeah, I keep wondering if the less hooks the commies running that town have in her, the better...

Posted by: LizLem at March 03, 2015 04:21 PM (yRwC8)

479
Roll out the barrel . . .

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 04:21 PM (CMkNk)

480 Kbob - barrel.

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at March 03, 2015 04:21 PM (h4UbF)

481

Lookit, we need to have jobs, jobs, jobs, and we need as a party to work with the Prezzent to get these jobs. I mean, come on, it's obvious that people need to work together like good Ohio Republicans.

Signed,
John Boner

PS: blow me.


Posted by: Rev Dr Dumb Bunnies at March 03, 2015 04:21 PM (cNiT0)

482 And earmarks, for fun a profit.
Posted by: Harry Reid at March 03, 2015 04:19 PM (WNERA)

Yes yes. And they only have hundreds of thousands to play with in the market, where they all seem to make remarkably good bets and are immune from insider trading laws. And all of the federal contracts they steer to friends and family ... but really, it's just a pittance. Not enough to really live off of.

Must be so tough.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 03, 2015 04:22 PM (AkOaV)

483 Stop the friggin' firing squad on other posters calling people who loathe Obama's policies "stupid" when they're obviously not. Stop the "f" yous. The Democrats love this stuff.

I know! I know.!Just to make the day extra groovy can we do a "Re-fight the Civil War/War between the States" thread and a Catholic/Protestant slug fest Oh, pretty pleeze/sarc.

I'm going to watch a fun movie that has nothing to do with politics Catch you all later maybe

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 03, 2015 04:22 PM (DXzRD)

484

>>> I'm personally done with this party. In fact, I will vote for Democrats.


Now, let's not go chopping off each other's dicks just yet...

Posted by: Winston Wolf at March 03, 2015 04:22 PM (yRwC8)

485 Why is everything in bold now? Grrrr

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 03, 2015 04:22 PM (AkOaV)

486 >>>>I mean, seriously. The odds have to say one time they would luck into a victory. But noooooo. Not these two.
.
.
.I would put the speech in the House by Bibi this morning in the win column.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 03, 2015 04:22 PM (4oSLk)

487 >>I saw something saying Senate Democrats were refusing to allow a conference on the bill. I guess the rules allow that. I think the Senate has to pass a resolution appointing conferees and the Democrats were going to filibuster that.

http://tinyurl.com/oub4dr9

Yea, happened way back last night.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 03, 2015 04:22 PM (g1DWB)

488 482 Already looking for work outside of NY. Was hoping to have the mortgage completely paid off, but at this point...

Posted by: Iblis at March 03, 2015 04:08 PM (9221z)

My sis is looking to buy an apartment in NYC within the next year or two. Rent is a killer. But yeah, I keep wondering if the less hooks the commies running that town have in her, the better...
Posted by: LizLem at March 03, 2015 04:21 PM (yRwC


I want to get the hell out of here but wifey is gonna work at KoolAid Kollege a few more years. So I'm stuck.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 04:22 PM (CMkNk)

489 It's not the pay that keeps people from running it's
he rectal exam of them and their family by the lying ass media that keeps the talent pool shallow.


Also the hurdles-to-entry.

I know *I* don't have the $2 million needed to run for Congress.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 03, 2015 04:22 PM (kff5f)

490 So if you want a viable third party option, you first create the option. The remaining party, the party which is split, whether Whig or Republican, will wither away of its own accord.

So yeah: voting Democratic Partyis a bad idea. It would've been a bad idea in 1852. It's a bad idea now. You're cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Posted by: troyriser at March 03, 2015 04:15 PM (f56b1)


The Republican party didn't replace the Whigs, they filled the void left by the Whigs.

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 03, 2015 04:23 PM (0Ew3K)

491 Dammit K-Bob.

Barrel.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 03, 2015 04:23 PM (kff5f)

492 446 18-1,

You get it...

Added bonus in caucusiung with the donkey psrty as a mole is using La Raza to eradicaye the faux marxian boomers...

If we're to go commie get pros and go full bore not trickly.

Posted by: The Smiling Bandit@sven10077 at March 03, 2015 04:23 PM (tPY0a)

493 "For the first time, more than half of congressional lawmakers are worth at least $1 million"

How did Harry Reid become a multi-millionaire? He became a Senator.

Posted by: BHO at March 03, 2015 04:23 PM (sWgE+)

Posted by: Soothsayer The Incorrigble II at March 03, 2015 04:23 PM (omuEe)

495 well you better get busy because obama just created 5 million more democrats
Posted by: kj at March 03, 2015 04:19 PM (lKyWE)


-------------------------------------------------


With about 20-40 million more to come.

Posted by: Soona at March 03, 2015 04:23 PM (/HX7u)

496 What is this "living wage" you speak of? Shouldn't wages be tied to the value of the actual work performed or pay offered?
***
Should be? Yes.

But we've now decided to important a helot class and subsidize them with government spending.

Let's cut out the middle man.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 03, 2015 04:23 PM (78TbK)

497 Actually, I'm thinking of going into The Barrel to escape the World of S*** we're building. Does it offer timeshares to just test the putrid waters?

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 03, 2015 04:24 PM (1CroS)

498 Oh boy....

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 03, 2015 04:24 PM (LA7Cm)

499 I can't vote for wicked people. These people are evil and sick. I don't really know what to do.

Posted by: L, Elle at March 03, 2015 04:24 PM (6J/xZ)

500 FEED ME!!!!!!

Posted by: The Barrel at March 03, 2015 04:24 PM (lHHyw)

501 Let it burn

Posted by: Buddha at March 03, 2015 04:24 PM (3CczE)

502 ****Republicans are never, ever, ever going to win a shutdown fight. This was no exception.




Posted by: rockmom at March 03, 2015 04:15 PM (NYnoe)
****


Except for the last one they won. Your comment is empirically and obviously false.


I'll give it to you apologists - you've got gall.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 03, 2015 04:25 PM (xSCb6)

503 Finally. I gave up on the Republicans about '96. Left a gov job about 2000 in disgust. Gave up voting about 2008. The country, for better or worse, no longer embraces those values which founded and guided this country for 150 years. Values I embraced philosophically.

It is no longer that country. There are only a few of us left. What are we to do?

Posted by: davis at March 03, 2015 04:25 PM (iKG5d)

504 Frank Guinta - you are dead to me.

Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at March 03, 2015 04:25 PM (DlmoZ)

505 Ace for Hillary 2016!!

Posted by: JJ Stone at March 03, 2015 04:25 PM (nbgPm)

506 Republican Yes votes were mostly in MI, OH, FL, NY, PA, IL


Blue states


---

MI = GOP Governor; Red leglislature
OH = GOP Governor; Red legislature
FL = GOP Governor; Red legislature
IL = GOP Governor; Blue legislature
PA = Donk gov; Red legislature
NY = All Donk

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_party_strength_in_U.S._states

The point is that these congressmen aren't worried about their voters. They're worried about their money men in the Chamber and elsewhere.

Posted by: Y-not at March 03, 2015 04:25 PM (9BRsg)

507 Aye, he was a BOLD man, and brave...

Posted by: Barrel Pirates at March 03, 2015 04:25 PM (f56b1)

508 459 >>What do you expect from people who are paid like congressmen?


This has got to be the stupidest comment ever made here.

"For the first time, more than half of congressional lawmakers are worth at least $1 million"

time.com/373/congress-is-now-mostly-a-millionaires-club/
Posted by: Y-not at March 03, 2015 04:19 PM (9BRsg)


It's not the dumbest. Only because it's in a tie with every other time he's made that completely stupid claim and every other comment that he has made.

Posted by: Buzzion at March 03, 2015 04:25 PM (z/Ubi)

509 492 482 Already looking for work outside of NY. Was hoping to have the mortgage completely paid off, but at this point...

Posted by: Iblis at March 03, 2015 04:08 PM (9221z)

My sis is looking to buy an apartment in NYC within the next year or two. Rent is a killer. But yeah, I keep wondering if the less hooks the commies running that town have in her, the better...
Posted by: LizLem at March 03, 2015 04:21 PM (yRwC


I want to get the hell out of here but wifey is gonna work at KoolAid Kollege a few more years. So I'm stuck.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 04:22 PM (CMkNk)

Well rent in the boroughs is cheaper than Manhattan. My brother had a 1 bedroom on 34th and he paid in rent almost as much as my mortgage for a 3 bed/2 bath .75 acre in No. Westchester.

Posted by: Iblis at March 03, 2015 04:25 PM (9221z)

510 500 Posted by: 18-1 at March 03, 2015 04:23 PM (78TbK)


I have a problem with interfering with how people run their own businesses. If a guy at the fryolater is worth only $7.50 an hour because the owner of the business needs to feed his own family as well as keep the business going, who the hell is the government to demand he get $15.00?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 04:26 PM (CMkNk)

511
So what's happening now, post 2014 elections, is Lucy is no longer even bothering to hold a football at all -- Charlie Brown [The Republicans] are now just running down the empty field and falling arse-over-tea-kettle all by themselves.

Posted by: Soothsayer The Incorrigble II at March 03, 2015 04:26 PM (omuEe)

512 . My time among the Wildings of GamerGate has taught me much. Namely, it's taught me what actual opposition looks like.

The GOP isn't opposition. Not even close.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at March 03, 2015 04:26 PM (jj+OQ)

513 >>all they needed to do was send the damn bill to conference.... control who was on the committee... put the language BACK IN...

Nope.

>>Senate Democrats on Monday blocked a measure that would have begun negotiations between both chambers of Congress over how to fund the Department of Homeland Security kicking off another week of partisan battles that threaten to shut down the agency

http://tinyurl.com/oub4dr9

Boehner, nobodies idea of a hero, did his job. McConnell did not.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 03, 2015 04:26 PM (g1DWB)

514 Wow. Dark.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 03, 2015 04:26 PM (HZJjy)

515 Yes, yes, exactly. How do these poor souls manage to live off $174,000 a year plus the most generous benefits known to man, and a pension when they retire?


Posted by: mynewhandle at March 03, 2015 04:18 PM (AkOaV)


They're responsible for trillions in spending but are paid like middle managers.

Competent people are in business making far more than 175K, without going through any of the shit.

Come over and convince my wife that she should learn to live on 175K while I go off to congress.

Posted by: jwest at March 03, 2015 04:26 PM (9ZZd+)

516 You thought John Roberts ruling on Obamacare was a major victory for conservatives. Your $.02 is in Zimbabwe dollars.

Posted by: Buzzion at March 03, 2015 04:19 PM (z/Ubi)

Got a link for that buzz?

Posted by: rockmom at March 03, 2015 04:26 PM (NYnoe)

517 515 [The Republicans] are now just running down the empty field and falling arse-over-tea-kettle all by themselves.

Posted by: Soothsayer The Incorrigble II at March 03, 2015 04:26 PM (omuEe)


Monty Python "Twit of the Year" sketch.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 04:27 PM (CMkNk)

518 Only one solution: storm the ballot box for the GOPe, and help us elect a GOPe President.

Posted by: General Mitch McTurtle at March 03, 2015 04:27 PM (hKyl0)

519 Anyone threatening to vote Democratic is stupider than I am obnoxious.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 03, 2015 04:27 PM (rDqRv)

520 who the hell is the government to demand he get $15.00?


But it's for the children /s

Posted by: wrg500 at March 03, 2015 04:27 PM (sWgE+)

521 501 Actually, I'm thinking of going into The Barrel to escape the World of S*** we're building. Does it offer timeshares to just test the putrid waters?

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 03, 2015 04:24 PM (1CroS)


Hmmm..... actually.... barrels do float...

Might be safer in the barrel than out here....

Posted by: BB Wolf, retired Sailor at March 03, 2015 04:27 PM (qh617)

522 Yes, the group that is running the ads against conservatives that tried to stand up to the gop surrender is the American Action Network.

Redstate is on this here:

http://www.redstate.com/2015/03/03/the-irony-of-fred-maleks-american-action-network-attacks/

Posted by: Miss Completely Done at March 03, 2015 04:27 PM (2/oBD)

523 >>>I would put the speech in the House by Bibi this morning in the win column.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 03, 2015 04:22 PM (4oSLk)<<<

Sure, they didn't cave to pressure. But it was hardly a win, where they had to maneuver for a victory over anyone. There was nothing the Dems commies could do to stop Bibi from coming.

Posted by: how in the everlovin' fuck at March 03, 2015 04:27 PM (OVx7B)

524 Republicans are never, ever, ever going to win a have actually won shutdown fight despite running away. This was no exception

Posted by: DaveA at March 03, 2015 04:27 PM (DL2i+)

525
Okay, Republicans, here's what you're gonna do: Stay down. Just stay down on the ground; don't bother getting up.

Stay down and stay out of the way.

Posted by: Soothsayer The Incorrigble II at March 03, 2015 04:28 PM (omuEe)

526 I can't vote for wicked people. These people are evil and sick. I don't really know what to do.
Posted by: L, Elle at March 03, 2015 04:24 PM (6J/xZ)


----------------------------------------------


Do as I will if things don't show any promise of improving. Don't vote.

DC has become evil in it's own form. I'm tired of supporting it.

Posted by: Soona at March 03, 2015 04:28 PM (/HX7u)

527 No. Westchester.
Posted by: Iblis at March 03, 2015 04:25 PM (9221z)

That is most definitely not "the boroughs" but rather the "suburbs" or as the rest of us call it -- part of fly over country.

Posted by: snotty upper east sider at March 03, 2015 04:28 PM (AkOaV)

528 @129:

AllenG, I was going to post an expletive-loaded rant, but I honestly don't think I can improve on yours.

Fuck. These. Traitorous. BASTARDS.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at March 03, 2015 04:28 PM (wtvvX)

529 jwest just went plaid with his stupidity.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 03, 2015 04:28 PM (xSCb6)

530 You thought John Roberts ruling on Obamacare was a major victory for conservatives. Your $.02 is in Zimbabwe dollars.

Posted by: Buzzion at March 03, 2015 04:19 PM (z/Ubi)


Even my very intelligent friend, who at the time shrieked that the Roberts decision was great because "taxes can always be repealed!" now has seen the light.



Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 04:28 PM (CMkNk)

531 I have a problem with interfering with how people run their own businesses.
***
Meh, its like worrying about the environmental impact of anti-tank rounds as the Germans race around the Maginot Line.

As a philosophical point there should be no minimum wage let alone a high "living" one. But the point for their died when the Chamber of Commerce pushed through Obama's Amnesty.

Its time to fight with the weapons you have at hand.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 03, 2015 04:28 PM (78TbK)

532
I also think the lawsuit is going to prevail on the Administrative Procedures Act grounds.

--

Just like ancient Israel, when they were collapsing as a society, asking to be ruled by judges.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 03, 2015 04:28 PM (20Zla)

533 Aye, he was a BOLD man, and brave...

-
But a RINO put him in his grave
And I swear by the mud beneath my feet
You can't raise a republic back up
Once it's in defeat.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at March 03, 2015 04:28 PM (j6e8f)

534 I'm sure Political Hat will be in shortly to tell us, unironically, how we've got time for our own Long Bataan Death March.


Posted by: Burn the Witch

Fixed (?)

Posted by: andycanuck at March 03, 2015 04:29 PM (2KB+E)

535 514 JJ Sefton

The guy at Flyerator just dwcided to put the donks in easy mode for 75 years....

Fuck him he wanted "just the tip" of Marx I plan to give him the John Holmes jackhammer.

Posted by: The Smiling Bandit@sven10077 at March 03, 2015 04:29 PM (tPY0a)

536 I want to get the hell out of here but wifey is gonna work at KoolAid Kollege a few more years. So I'm stuck.


Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 04:22 PM (CMkNk)

Exactly. Put in her dues, then get the heck out once she can, I think is the plan. I have my fingers crossed she'll come back to Utah then. But NYC will suck all the money out of her that it can in the mean time, hah. Is very good at that!

I remember her cursing a blue streak when she found out she had to pay city taxes, in addition to federal and state. Good times good times!

Posted by: LizLem at March 03, 2015 04:29 PM (yRwC8)

537 531 No. Westchester.
Posted by: Iblis at March 03, 2015 04:25 PM (9221z)

That is most definitely not "the boroughs" but rather the "suburbs" or as the rest of us call it -- part of fly over country.
Posted by: snotty upper east sider at March 03, 2015 04:28 PM (AkOaV)



Westchester has some of the most expensive neighborhoods in the area. Methinks you and your nic are not one and the same.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 04:29 PM (CMkNk)

538 I am done with politics and the republicans.

My only goals now are piling up guns, ammo and food and finding a secure bolthole to run to with my kids when this once-great country finally collapses.

And the creation of a network of like-minded folks, so I can help them, and their families.

All you fuckers are invited to bolt to Sharkman's Apocalype-Ready Armory, Distillery and Redoubt, when the balloon goes up.

Posted by: Sharkman at March 03, 2015 04:29 PM (XemQc)

539 442 434 What do you expect from people who are paid like congressmen?

I don't see anyone here giving up their career to jump into the governing business. When you pay like shit, you get shit.

Posted by: jwest at March 03, 2015 04:16 PM (9ZZd+)

Yes, yes, exactly. How do these poor souls manage to live off $174,000 a year plus the most generous benefits known to man, and a pension when they retire?
Posted by: mynewhandle at March 03, 2015 04:18 PM (AkOaV)

And the book deals. And the speaking fees. And the cushy lobby jobs, or the university positions, or the "policy" center jobs when they retire. So, so tough.

In reality, you generally need to be independently wealthy to even think about running for office.

I've told this story here before, but I will tell it again. Several years back some local party people approached my stepdad about having him run for a very minor city office. Stepdad is a small businessman, is doing well, but isn't rolling in dough or anything. The start up cost/budget he as quoted for an extremely basic campaign- as in walking door-to-door with flyers and business cards with maybe one or two unpaid volunteers to help out- was going to require he take out a second mortgage on my parents' home. Obviously no guarantee of return on that, and that's before even one dollar of potential donor money. The answer was no. Even with good people who aren't afraid of the ass reaming they'll get in the press by running against the establishment, that kind of financial risk just isn't worth it.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at March 03, 2015 04:30 PM (KkVB6)

540 People keep saying the Republicans want this because the Chamber of Commerce wants cheap labor.

Maybe I'm just stupid. How is having Juan, who works under the table now for $5 an hour going to become cheaper labor when once he is legalized, he is going to get not only the minimum wage, but he is going to also cost all the other payroll deductions, health insurance, etc.?

Or is someone going to convince me that all these businesses are going to immediately fire their $10 an hour help, who have been with them for several years as proven employees, to hire an illiterate, barely can speak english legal , to pay them minimum wage and all the attendent benefits.

Because it's cheaper?

Posted by: Jen the original at March 03, 2015 04:30 PM (zuDPz)

541 Yes, yes, exactly. How do these poor souls manage to live off $174,000 a year plus the most generous benefits known to man, and a pension when they retire?


Posted by: mynewhandle at March 03, 2015 04:18 PM (AkOaV)

They can insider trade. Legally. Consider that.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 03, 2015 04:31 PM (MMC8r)

542 531 No. Westchester.
Posted by: Iblis at March 03, 2015 04:25 PM (9221z)

That is most definitely not "the boroughs" but rather the "suburbs" or as the rest of us call it -- part of fly over country.
Posted by: snotty upper east sider at March 03, 2015 04:28 PM (AkOaV)


Never said it was. Just saying you can find a decent place in the Bronx or Queens for "cheap". No. Westchester is part of our slow-mo plan of escape from NY. Started in Bklyn then the Bronx, and soon out of the state.

Posted by: Iblis at March 03, 2015 04:31 PM (9221z)

543 Except for the last one they won. Your comment is empirically and obviously false.


I'll give it to you apologists - you've got gall.


Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 03, 2015 04:25 PM (xSCb6)

Which one was that?? The one that defunded Obamacare?


Posted by: rockmom at March 03, 2015 04:31 PM (Q4elb)

544 Anyone threatening to vote Democratic is stupider than I am obnoxious.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 03, 2015 04:27 PM (rDqRv)


-----------------------------------------


Is it possible to be THAT stupid?

Posted by: Soona at March 03, 2015 04:31 PM (/HX7u)

545 Oh look, it's JWest here to tell us our congress critters are just paid too dang little.

Funny that he fails to mention that they all become millionaires by exempting themselves from insider trading laws among so many other things.

Posted by: Lauren at March 03, 2015 04:31 PM (MYCIw)

546 But a RINO put him in his grave
And I swear by the mud beneath my feet
You can't raise a republic back up
Once it's in defeat.

And all the LIVs were singin'
They went oooh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-o-oh-Obamaphone!

Posted by: andycanuck at March 03, 2015 04:31 PM (2KB+E)

547 542
What? No whorehouse?

Posted by: wrg500 at March 03, 2015 04:31 PM (sWgE+)

548 Oh, by the way, conservatives are now reduced to begging Republicans not to save Obamacare.
==

Why would "Republicans" want to kill Obamacare when it gets them lots of votes?

Posted by: looking closely at March 03, 2015 04:31 PM (PwGfd)

549 They're responsible for trillions in spending but are paid like middle managers.

Competent people are in business making far more than 175K, without going through any of the shit.

Come over and convince my wife that she should learn to live on 175K while I go off to congress.
Posted by: jwest at March 03, 2015 04:26 PM (9ZZd+)

Okay, douche lord.

They are hired to work part time to temporarily manage our affairs. $175k + bennies + cushy jobs when they get out + pension is FAR more than they are worth.

Also, most "middle managers" in this country make nowhere near that kind of compensation package. If you truly could not survive on $175k, you're an idiot.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 03, 2015 04:31 PM (AkOaV)

550 542 All you fuckers are invited to bolt to Sharkman's Apocalype-Ready Armory, Distillery and Redoubt, when the balloon goes up.
Posted by: Sharkman at March 03, 2015 04:29 PM (XemQc)


I have a sinking feeling that I'll be in the middle of the action when everything collapses.

Oh well. What is life?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 04:32 PM (CMkNk)

551 523 Nevergiveup...

Not stupid chief I can't get the GOP to theart Ogabe so it's time to damage Donkey in their primaries....

Posted by: The Smiling Bandit@sven10077 at March 03, 2015 04:32 PM (tPY0a)

552 AllenG, I was going to post an expletive-loaded rant, but I honestly don't think I can improve on yours.

I prefer the term Profanity Laced Rant.

What can I say? I only have so much patience for cowards.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 03, 2015 04:32 PM (kff5f)

553
Ace, if you want to re-format this blog into cat-pics and stupid Key & Peele vids, I'm okay with it; you have my blessing.

Posted by: Soothsayer The Incorrigble II at March 03, 2015 04:32 PM (omuEe)

554
They can insider trade. Legally. Consider that.

AND an exemption from Obamacare.

Posted by: wrg500 at March 03, 2015 04:32 PM (sWgE+)

555 New National Past-time: Corruption Innovation

Posted by: Stupid Party's over at March 03, 2015 04:33 PM (jT+gh)

556 They're responsible for trillions in spending but are paid like middle managers.
***
As a middle manager...when I go interview for another job I get offered...a middle manager salary.

Somehow when Joe Congressman goes to Soros Inc though he gets a job offer that is 10x what he made as a congressman.

I think you are understating the benefits of a "government career".

Posted by: 18-1 at March 03, 2015 04:33 PM (78TbK)

557 Well, with any luck, the Obama cave on Iran will result in a nuked DC in 10 years.

Posted by: Ken at March 03, 2015 04:33 PM (LXJ1e)

558 423
My $.02
Posted by: rockmom at March 03, 2015 04:15 PM (NYnoe)

And nobody gives a shit you stupid bitch establishment fluffer.

Posted by: NWConservative at March 03, 2015 04:33 PM (MhPCU)

559
Ace, I've been with you since April 2005 and I'll never leave you, bro.



Posted by: Soothsayer The Incorrigble II at March 03, 2015 04:33 PM (omuEe)

560 Oh well. What is life?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 04:32 PM (CMkNk)

For you?

It starts with a NYC pistol permit.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 03, 2015 04:33 PM (Zu3d9)

561 Oh, and J?

In Texas we pay our congress critters 7k a year, plus a piddly per diem while in session.

And yet...we're Texas.

Obviously the pay ain't the problem.

Posted by: Lauren at March 03, 2015 04:33 PM (MYCIw)

562 You know, if they would just let in more Russian and Scandi lingerie models this could go our way.


Posted by: dananjcon at March 03, 2015 04:33 PM (NpXoL)

563 Yeah I can't vote dem either. I don't like mittens & I held my nose pulling the lever for him, but the Middle East wouldn't be on fire & about to explode into ww3 (if it hasn't already started). I can't bring myself to cheer let it burn either because one of my best friends will probably die due to lack of medicine. Actually a number of people here get caught in that equation. But math will win eventually. I don't know anymore. I was hopeful after the first day of CPAC, but now? I just don't know. And what's worse, Washington, Jefferson, Franklin et al, along with everyone that has bled for America has to just be spinning that we're willing to roll over and die in the face of tyranny.

Posted by: bibi's boobs destroy at March 03, 2015 04:34 PM (UciHm)

564 #544 You're correct, BUT

What will happen is that by enlarging the minimum wage labor pool, minimum wage employers will be able to select better employees to PAY their minimum wage to.

In other words, employers who are ALREADY paying the minimum wage will be able to get better value for their money.

Anyone illegally paying illegals less than minimum wage now, will still be doing so afterwards.

Posted by: looking closely at March 03, 2015 04:34 PM (PwGfd)

565 Never said it was. Just saying you can find a decent place in the Bronx or Queens for "cheap". No. Westchester is part of our slow-mo plan of escape from NY. Started in Bklyn then the Bronx, and soon out of the state.
Posted by: Iblis at March 03, 2015 04:31 PM (9221z)

The Bronx? Brooklyn?!?

I have it on good authority that only poor people ride the letter trains.

I of course, wouldn't know anything about subterranean public transportation first hand.

Posted by: snotty upper east sider at March 03, 2015 04:34 PM (AkOaV)

566 Sorry folks. I forgot the slash.

I denounce myself. You just can't comment semi-annually here without losing your chops.

Posted by: K-Bob at March 03, 2015 04:34 PM (zl5vJ)

567 I can't take this shit anymore.

Posted by: @votermom at March 03, 2015 04:34 PM (LOKSE)

568 "Gentleman smuggler" is starting to sound like a good career move right about now.

Posted by: Iblis at March 03, 2015 04:34 PM (9221z)

569 Iblis, will you be at the meetup Friday? Sis is looking at Bronx apartments I think. Mebbe you guys can talk real estate and you can give her house buying tips for the city?

Posted by: LizLem at March 03, 2015 04:34 PM (yRwC8)

570 It starts with a NYC pistol permit.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 03, 2015 04:33 PM (Zu3d9)


It's still possible to get those in the DeCommio NYC?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 03, 2015 04:34 PM (rDqRv)

571 "An old communist friend of mine voted for Bob Dole." - Ace

_______________

A lot of lifelong Kansas lefties and commies did that too. He was usually the more liberal candidate.

Posted by: Furious George, doomed at March 03, 2015 04:34 PM (UlJ3l)

572
Yo, chill.

Posted by: Soothsayer The Incorrigble II at March 03, 2015 04:35 PM (omuEe)

573
They can insider trade. Legally. Consider that. AND an exemption from Obamacare.

and the comped trips to orgy island

Posted by: kj at March 03, 2015 04:35 PM (lKyWE)

574 Also, most "middle managers" in this country make nowhere near that kind of compensation package. If you truly could not survive on $175k, you're an idiot.

I would call that upper management. No middle manager I know makes ANYWHERE near that kind of money and beenies

Posted by: wrg500 at March 03, 2015 04:35 PM (sWgE+)

575 Maybe I'm just stupid. How is having Juan, who works under the table now for $5 an hour going to become cheaper labor when once he is legalized, he is going to get not only the minimum wage, but he is going to also cost all the other payroll deductions, health insurance, etc.?


Because Juan getting amnesty encourages eight other Juans to come to America for the next amnesty, like the last two times the US did an amnesty.

Those illegals make fine slaves. The amnestied are the workers they are ready to ditch.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at March 03, 2015 04:35 PM (jj+OQ)

576 #560

Its not the dollar salary value, its the perks of office.

Even the legal perks are pretty good.

Posted by: looking closely at March 03, 2015 04:35 PM (PwGfd)

577 572 "Gentleman smuggler" is starting to sound like a good career move right about now.
Posted by: Iblis at March 03, 2015 04:34 PM (9221z)


Pssst! Bullets, insulin and kidneys. Cheap!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 04:35 PM (CMkNk)

578 >>>"Gentleman smuggler" is starting to sound like a good career move right about now.

Posted by: Iblis at March 03, 2015 04:34 PM (9221z)<<<
That was Beary's nickname around the Chicago bath houses.

Posted by: Reggie Love at March 03, 2015 04:35 PM (OVx7B)

579 Wow. haven't been around much of late. Is rockmom curious?

Posted by: dananjcon at March 03, 2015 04:35 PM (NpXoL)

580 549 Oh look, it's JWest here to tell us our congress critters are just paid too dang little.


So the way we've been doing it has worked out well, eh?

It's like giving them minimum wage and encouraging them to steal. When you do that, you get a certain type of applicant.

Why is it so difficult for people to grasp the concept of paying people in a proportionate relationship to their responsibility. Make it job worth having without the need to commit a felony.

Posted by: jwest at March 03, 2015 04:36 PM (9ZZd+)

581 Don't despair. Future generations will rediscover the immutable principles. Good and hard.

Posted by: Stupid Party's over at March 03, 2015 04:36 PM (jT+gh)

582 523 Anyone threatening to vote Democratic is stupider than I am obnoxious.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 03, 2015 04:27 PM (rDqRv)


^^ this. (and I've been "unaffiliated" for 40 years)

Posted by: jwb7605 at March 03, 2015 04:36 PM (ZALPg)

583 Let's test to see if going full Dem works: Pick a state and have it go full Leftist Dem. If going full Dem works, then they will turn hardcore right-wing paradises that put all GOP dominated state to shame...

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 03, 2015 04:36 PM (0Ew3K)

584 No, rockmom's a long time hotairian who occasionally wanders over here.

Posted by: Lauren at March 03, 2015 04:36 PM (MYCIw)

585 Disempowerment? Check

Ergo we are living in a horror game for real.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 03, 2015 04:36 PM (bl7+W)

586 574 It starts with a NYC pistol permit.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 03, 2015 04:33 PM (Zu3d9)


It's still possible to get those in the DeCommio NYC?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 03, 2015 04:34 PM (rDqRv)


Tempted to acquire a firearm that is, shall we say, not quite kosher and just store it away somewhere until the collapse.

But, I'm an honest law abiding citizen.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 04:37 PM (CMkNk)

587 Ace, if you want to re-format this blog into cat-pics and stupid Key Peele vids, I'm okay with it; you have my blessing.



Posted by: Soothsayer The Incorrigble II at March 03, 2015 04:32 PM (omuEe)

Top 10 Taylor Swift vids showing Ace's feels about the DHS Funding Bill...#1...Shake it off!
I denounce myself.

Posted by: LizLem at March 03, 2015 04:37 PM (yRwC8)

588 I would call that upper management. No middle manager I know makes ANYWHERE near that kind of money and beenies
Posted by: wrg500 at March 03, 2015 04:35 PM (sWgE+)

I work in a commission based industry and am fairly successful.

$175k would be a very good year for me. I would not complain. And if I did, no one would listen since most people will never make anywhere near that kind of money.

Posted by: mynewhandle at March 03, 2015 04:37 PM (AkOaV)

589 Bourbon minus 40 minutes. Couldn't you have waited?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 03, 2015 04:18 PM (JtwS4)



I gave you a nearly two hour podcast. What more do you want from me?

*bounds off*

Posted by: alexthechick - LIV ahoy! at March 03, 2015 04:37 PM (mf5HN)

590 Is trumpetdaddy a troll?

Posted by: Yes means Maybe at March 03, 2015 04:37 PM (7wyDO)

591 I think you are understating the benefits of a "government career".

And it's not for the legislation he wrote. It's for the connections he made.

Posted by: wrg500 at March 03, 2015 04:37 PM (sWgE+)

592 hey there's always 'no go zones' only conservative style. Prolly have weekly hangings and floggings by fundie Christians

Posted by: See I told yous at March 03, 2015 04:37 PM (XYKz+)

593 "It's like giving them minimum wage and encouraging them to steal. When you do that, you get a certain type of applicant. "

Again, I encourage you to take a look at how much Texas pays our congresscritters.

Posted by: Lauren at March 03, 2015 04:37 PM (MYCIw)

594 #544 They want their cheap labor to be legal. That way they can avoid being fined, harrassed, and embarrased about employing non-Americans at slave wages.

My own feeling is that a lot of the illegals won't "come out of the shadows" at all. It's damned expensive to be legal here. Why would they want to start paying taxes, car insurance, health insurance, etc.? Even if they are paid $5 an hour instead of $7.50 they are coming out ahead.

I've had two car accidents with illegals. Neither of them had any ID or car insurance. Their cars probably would not have passed inspection either. The cops told me both times that they could give them tickets for reckless driving, but they would just ignore the tickets and the courts are swamped and won't bother trying to find them.

It's a pretty sweet deal as long as you don't need to leave the country and come back.

Posted by: rockmom at March 03, 2015 04:38 PM (NYnoe)

595 I gave you a nearly two hour podcast. What more do you want from me?

A donation to a GoFundMe?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 03, 2015 04:38 PM (kff5f)

596 If you are on any of the democrats known as republicans email lists, I suggest unsubscribing TODAY. I did. We will see how many honor my request.


Posted by: Jukin at March 03, 2015 04:38 PM (WGm5T)

597 Anyone who votes Democrat to 'protest' the GOPe is a would-be kapo.

YMMV

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 03, 2015 04:38 PM (bl7+W)

598 562 423
My $.02
Posted by: rockmom at March 03, 2015 04:15 PM (NYnoe)

And nobody gives a shit you stupid bitch establishment fluffer.
Posted by: NWConservative at March 03, 2015 04:33 PM (MhPCU)

Watch that, motherfucker, I know Curt Schilling and I'll send him after you.

Posted by: rockmom at March 03, 2015 04:39 PM (qE3AR)

599 560 They're responsible for trillions in spending but are paid like middle managers.
***
As a middle manager...when I go interview for another job I get offered...a middle manager salary.

Somehow when Joe Congressman goes to Soros Inc though he gets a job offer that is 10x what he made as a congressman.

I think you are understating the benefits of a "government career".
Posted by: 18-1 at March 03, 2015 04:33 PM (78TbK)

They have no out of pocket expenses and they have legal insider trading. Those who don't go there as millionaires, leave there as millionaires.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 03, 2015 04:39 PM (BZAd3)

600
one of the biggest fraud is the Chamber of Commerce making people believe they give a shit about the small business owner, unless you define small business as businesses with at least 100 employees.

Posted by: Soothsayer The Incorrigble II at March 03, 2015 04:39 PM (omuEe)

601
Will we be seeing pro-Obama posts to bolster your new party, Ace?
You've gone David Brock on us. Never go full Brock

Posted by: JJ Stone at March 03, 2015 04:39 PM (nbgPm)

602
Posted by: LizLem at March 03, 2015 04:37 PM (yRwC

Crap, I meant to say gifs not vids. No reason to torment the Horde more than Boehner already has...

Posted by: LizLem at March 03, 2015 04:39 PM (yRwC8)

603
It's still possible to get those in the DeCommio NYC?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 03, 2015 04:34 PM (rDqRv)


Only if you're a celebutard.

573 Iblis, will you be at the meetup Friday? Sis is looking at Bronx apartments I think. Mebbe you guys can talk real estate and you can give her house buying tips for the city?
Posted by: LizLem at March 03, 2015 04:34 PM (yRwC


Unfortunately no.


Posted by: Iblis at March 03, 2015 04:39 PM (9221z)

604 What will happen is that by enlarging the minimum wage labor pool, minimum wage employers will be able to select better employees to PAY their minimum wage



Juan 1, Juan 2, or Juan 3?

Posted by: rickb223 at March 03, 2015 04:39 PM (HZJjy)

605 601 Anna Puma,

No dear...just tired of being a Kulak.

Posted by: The Smiling Bandit@sven10077 at March 03, 2015 04:39 PM (tPY0a)

606 No, rockmom's a long time hotairian who occasionally wanders over here.

Posted by: Lauren at March 03, 2015 04:36 PM (MYCIw)
*
Ah...all makes sense now.Thanks

Posted by: dananjcon at March 03, 2015 04:40 PM (NpXoL)

607 Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at March 03, 2015 04:35 PM (jj+OQ)

And increasing the labor supply will depress all wages, not just the entry-level, unskilled portion.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 03, 2015 04:40 PM (Zu3d9)

608 Actually, the problem with Executive Amnesty is not that it will suddenly make them legal. It's that it keeps them illegal, but removes any fear of deportation.

So restaurants can still pay them $5/hr (they're not here legally, what are they going to do?) but now without the fear of being prosecuted for knowingly employing illegal aliens.

Seriously, it's the worst of all words for the illegals.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 03, 2015 04:40 PM (kff5f)

609 Jen the original: "Because it's cheaper?"

Yes.

Surplus labor drives down all wages. Wage pressure will affect the entire salary scale. And, yes, these very same businesses will seek to outcompete other businesses by not hiring the newly amnestied by default but will continue the very same practice of hiring the next wave of illegals and their labor. And then we'll need more amnesty to fill all those empty job slots labor-intensive businesses will refuse to fill with this new, legal labor.

Lowest common denominator wages to import the world's cheapest widgets workers to domestic shores.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 03, 2015 04:40 PM (1CroS)

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 03, 2015 04:40 PM (1CroS)

611 Boehner and McConnell are drinking your tears. They didn't give a shit what you thought yesterday, don't give a shit what you think today, and won't give a shit tomorrow.

What are You going to do about it? /fingerpokes

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 03, 2015 04:40 PM (XmOA9)

612 Watch that, motherfucker, I know Curt Schilling and I'll send him after you.
Posted by: rockmom


+1.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 03, 2015 04:40 PM (HZJjy)

613
Anyone threatening to vote Democratic is stupider than I am obnoxious.Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 03, 2015 04:27 PM (rDqRv) i don't know about that,maybe we can bring back the blue dog democrats from the brink of exstinction.

Posted by: kj at March 03, 2015 04:40 PM (lKyWE)

614 Ace for President on the Doom Ticket running on a "Let It Burn" platform!

As for McConnell, Boehner and the rest... "to hell with them fellas. Buzzard got eat; same as worms!"

Posted by: ZonToro at March 03, 2015 04:40 PM (HsibK)

615 Who would want to be President for a paltry couple hundred K a year?

Probably Bill Clinton, who's worth $80 million now.

Or Al Gore, who's worth $300 million.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 03, 2015 04:41 PM (MMC8r)

616 Sven as I said your mileage may vary.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 03, 2015 04:41 PM (bl7+W)

617 Boy am I glad we didn't start that third party five years ago. Working inside the GOP worked great.

The next two years are going to be a hoot.

Posted by: Jukin at March 03, 2015 04:41 PM (WGm5T)

618 blue dog democrats from the brink of exstinction.
Posted by: kj at March 03, 2015 04:40 PM (lKyWE)


Blue Dog Dems were full of shit from the start. What did they ever do?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 03, 2015 04:41 PM (rDqRv)

619 >>>Why is it so difficult for people to grasp the
concept of paying people in a proportionate relationship to their
responsibility. Make it job worth having without the need to commit a
felony.

Posted by: jwest at March 03, 2015 04:36 PM (9ZZd+)<<<

Maybe part of it is because we shouldn't want them to be comfortable enough in that job that they linger for 40 fucking years in DC!
Citizen legislature... capisce.

Posted by: zombie James Madison at March 03, 2015 04:41 PM (OVx7B)

620
>>>All you fuckers are invited to bolt to Sharkman's Apocalype-Ready Armory, Distillery and Redoubt, when the balloon goes up.

Thanks, but you know? Won't be any balloon.

I really do figure it would've happened by now. At least a 70s style wackadoodle failed Squeaky Fromm kind of thing, if not the whole 68er rebellion. But it hasn't, so I figure there's no fight to be had.

If your balloon is just the commies coming for you, well you're too late, sorry.

Posted by: Bigby's Fistbump at March 03, 2015 04:41 PM (3ZtZW)

621 ""Gentleman smuggler" is starting to sound like a good career move right about now. "



Might not be a bad idea. The black markets are a comin'.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 03, 2015 04:41 PM (LA7Cm)

622 only widgets should be crossed out @613.

I told you all I was going to test The Barrel.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 03, 2015 04:41 PM (1CroS)

623
Blue Dog Dems were full of shit from the start. What did they ever do?

what has the gop done?

Posted by: kj at March 03, 2015 04:42 PM (lKyWE)

624 It's actually not that easy to vote for a Democrat. It's easy to say that you will, but get in the voting booth, pen in hand ,,, and it's not that easy. I've only been able to do it once and that's because I really, REALLY hated the Republican and there was only one thing to vote for, with no write in option - couldn't very well turn in an entire ballot blank. Other times, I just ended up leaving a lot of blanks.

Posted by: gm at March 03, 2015 04:42 PM (/kBoL)

625 Unfortunately no.
Posted by: Iblis at March 03, 2015 04:39 PM (9221z)

Aw, that's too bad! I'm sure the others will miss commiserating with you over all the recent crazy.

Posted by: LizLem at March 03, 2015 04:43 PM (yRwC8)

626 Blue Dog Dems were full of shit from the start. What did they ever do?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 03, 2015 04:41 PM (rDqRv)


became Republican?

Posted by: jwb7605 at March 03, 2015 04:43 PM (ZALPg)

627 So what has been the general Horde vibe over today's Drift Compatible Podcast by AlextheChick and that dude ... what's his name? oh yeah BCochran.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 03, 2015 04:43 PM (bl7+W)

628
But, I'm an honest law abiding citizen.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 04:37 PM (CMkNk)


You can always get a Ghost Gunner Mill and the Defense Distrubuted CAD files and go to town.

Posted by: Iblis at March 03, 2015 04:43 PM (9221z)

629 I feel an unbridled need for Cakegirl. Please. Give me Cakegirl.

Posted by: Soona at March 03, 2015 04:43 PM (/HX7u)

630 623
The only way Senators and congressmen leave DC is feet first or kicking and screaming.

Posted by: wrg500 at March 03, 2015 04:43 PM (sWgE+)

631 Make it job worth having without the need to commit a
felony.


Yes. That's exactly the problem. It's not "worth it" without committing a felony. Uh-huh.

It's only $174k/yr + benes + pension for life. I mean, only the poorest of the poor would even pretend to subsist on that. The plebes.

Do you even listen to yourself?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 03, 2015 04:43 PM (kff5f)

632 Damn Pixy and your quote eating hamsters...


"It is not possible that an assembly of men called for the most part
from pursuits of a private nature, continued in appointment for a short
time, and led by no permanent motive to devote intervals of public
occupation to a study of the laws, the affairs, and the comprehensive
interests of their country, should, if left wholly to themselves, escape
a variety of important errors in the exercise of their legislative
trust."

Posted by: zombie James Madison at March 03, 2015 04:44 PM (OVx7B)

633 "If you truly could not survive on $175k, you're an idiot."


I lived quite well on 175K a year.

Of course, I was 30 years old and it was 1984. Money doesn't go as far these days.

Pay congressmen 500K base and give them another 500K bonus every year a balanced budget is passed. Every one of them needs a leased jet to get back and forth to their district. Add on a housing and car allowance and you've got a fairly good package that might attract some talent.

Posted by: jwest at March 03, 2015 04:44 PM (9ZZd+)

634 what has the gop done?
Posted by: kj at March 03, 2015 04:42 PM (lKyWE)


that's a trick question right?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 03, 2015 04:44 PM (rDqRv)

635 Juan 1, Juan 2, or Juan 3?

Posted by: rickb223 at March 03, 2015 04:39 PM (HZJjy)
*
I'd go with Jos-a, b, or c.
Way more qualified with touch of gravitas.

Posted by: dananjcon at March 03, 2015 04:44 PM (NpXoL)

636 Posted by: bibi's boobs destroy at March 03, 2015 04:34 PM (UciHm)

Yeah, i know about Kara. But...... what is going to happen is going to happen.

Not all will be able to 'be in the center of action" but many will make that choice.

My personal feelings are it is either less than 2 years out or 20 years out.

There will be no one here with a can of gas and a match. It will be a spontaneous combustion fueled by the donks.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 03, 2015 04:44 PM (WNERA)

637 I love that I see this "staunch" defense of the status quo here. Those who think there will be a better tomorrow if they keep doing what isn't working today. HA!

One would be given to think that the RNC plants posters here to try to keep the slaves on the plantation.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 03, 2015 04:44 PM (XmOA9)

638 Not exactly CakeGirl

http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Boundaries-Allaire-Bartel-6.jpg

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 03, 2015 04:44 PM (bl7+W)

639
Mikulski, that evil little troll, will be leaving the Senate on her own stubby legs.

Posted by: Soothsayer The Incorrigble II at March 03, 2015 04:45 PM (omuEe)

640 Defenestration. It's the only way to be sure.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at March 03, 2015 04:45 PM (n9r8O)

641 216

I take your point, but Ross Perot is still with us.

Posted by: Truly St. Cyr at March 03, 2015 04:45 PM (55ETl)

642 Ever since immigration was tightened up 50 years ago.

Whoa, that's some really strong shit you've got there. Did you bring enough for everyone?

Posted by: ChicagoRefugee at March 03, 2015 04:45 PM (faQdQ)

643 No response to Texas' congressional pay structure, JWest?

Posted by: Lauren at March 03, 2015 04:45 PM (MYCIw)

644 For those of you that desperately need some good schadenfreude right now...

Drunken Kennedy spawn makes fool of herself trying to get into a club (aka a typical Kennedy day): "I am a Kennedy, Google me."

http://preview.tinyurl.com/lstl62b

Posted by: LizLem at March 03, 2015 04:45 PM (yRwC8)

645 "Gentleman smuggler" is starting to sound like a good career move right about now.
You can call it Obama's Intercontinental Underground Railroad, Iblis.

Posted by: andycanuck at March 03, 2015 04:45 PM (2KB+E)

646 "Pay congressmen 500K base and give them another 500K bonus every year a balanced budget is passed. Every one of them needs a leased jet to get back and forth to their district. Add on a housing and car allowance and you've got a fairly good package that might attract some talent."



Jeezus Krist. Might as well appoint them for life and give them blanket immunity from prosecution.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 03, 2015 04:45 PM (LA7Cm)

647 637
Bullshit

Posted by: wrg500 at March 03, 2015 04:46 PM (sWgE+)

648 #612 You nailed it. Applebee's doesn't want their line cook to suddenly get deported. That would be inconvenient. They don't really want him to be a citizen either, because then he might actually demand to be paid a decent wage.

Posted by: rockmom at March 03, 2015 04:46 PM (NYnoe)

649 649 You can call it Obama's Intercontinental Underground Railroad, Iblis.
Posted by: andycanuck at March 03, 2015 04:45 PM (2KB+E)


Pipeline. Heh.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 04:46 PM (CMkNk)

650 Just got off the phone with the RNC in D.C.

Told 'em they're not gettting this year's membership fee, to remove my name and address from the rolls, and to Eat A Dick.

(202) 883-8747 if you want to do the same.

Posted by: Mister Christopher at March 03, 2015 04:46 PM (QHysE)

651 FWIW, I could never vote for a Dem, because I couldn't vote for someone who supports killing children, regardless of how much it needs to burn.

Of course, the fact that the GOPe is anxious to cast off the pro-life yolk makes not voting for Republicans pretty easy as well.

Posted by: Lauren at March 03, 2015 04:46 PM (MYCIw)

652 Why is it so difficult for people to grasp the concept of paying people
in a proportionate relationship to their responsibility. Make it job
worth having without the need to commit a felony.


We don't need to waste more money on government to make it effective.

Just make all unconstitutional acts mandatory death penalty offenses.

Posted by: Methos at March 03, 2015 04:46 PM (A6vWB)

653 Might not be a bad idea. The black markets are a comin'.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 03, 2015 04:41 PM (LA7Cm)


-----------------------------------------


I'm going to start dabbling in the slave trade. It's going to become a lucrative business when some states begin their foray into sharia law.

Posted by: Soona at March 03, 2015 04:47 PM (/HX7u)

654
Jeezus Krist. Might as well appoint them for life and give them blanket immunity from prosecution.

They basically already have that.

Posted by: wrg500 at March 03, 2015 04:47 PM (sWgE+)

655 How about this. ZERO pay and no pension for Congress. To serve the public in such an august body is its own reward.

Posted by: Ken at March 03, 2015 04:47 PM (LXJ1e)

656 Just got off the phone with the RNC in D.C.

Told 'em they're not gettting this year's membership fee, to remove my name and address from the rolls, and to Eat A Dick.

(202) 883-8747 if you want to do the same.
Posted by: Mister Christopher at March 03, 2015 04:46 PM (QHysE)


I emailed them and told them to kiss my conservative ass

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 03, 2015 04:47 PM (rDqRv)

657 My own feeling is that a lot of the illegals won't "come out of the shadows" at all. It's damned expensive to be legal here. Why would they want to start paying taxes, car insurance, health insurance, etc.? Even if they are paid $5 an hour instead of $7.50 they are coming out ahead.

I've had two car accidents with illegals. Neither of them had any ID or car insurance. Their cars probably would not have passed inspection either. The cops told me both times that they could give them tickets for reckless driving, but they would just ignore the tickets and the courts are swamped and won't bother trying to find them.

It's a pretty sweet deal as long as you don't need to leave the country and come back.
Posted by: rockmom at March 03, 2015 04:38 PM (NYnoe)

For the illegal, getting "legalized" will be of benefit to them, because the threat of deportation is gone, and they can apply for all the welfare benefits they can possibly spend.

And as other's have said, the Democrats want welfare recipients who become lifelong Democrat voters. I understand their support of amnesty.

What I am not grasping is why the Chamber of Commerce and the businesses that actually have a lot of money to donate to their favorite politician(hence why so many politicians favor amnesty) are so in favor of this. There is very little upside for them.
But then, I couldn't understand why they wanted Obamacare to pass. Nor could I understand why insurance companies wanted Obamacare to pass.

However, now that they are being bailed out, I'm thinking possibly the CofC is planning the same thing. Once amnesty has passed, they will get some kind of relief in employing the new 'legals".

Posted by: Jen the original at March 03, 2015 04:47 PM (zuDPz)

658 Rhino squish tries to talk Ace out of his hard line...

http://youtu.be/Jln3mi0vfJU

Posted by: ZonToro at March 03, 2015 04:48 PM (HsibK)

659

?Could we have a post that concentrates on compiling a'Most Useless' list of Congressional turncoats in conservative areas--ie areas where we can vote Dem in one election and rid ourselves of about 10 of these traitors at a time? Thanks.

Posted by: The roost aint what it used to be at March 03, 2015 04:48 PM (7GI9v)

660 "They basically already have that. "


Heh, yeah, just not so overt.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 03, 2015 04:48 PM (LA7Cm)

661 Wow, we could attract a real quality class of criminals with that kind of pay.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 03, 2015 04:48 PM (MMC8r)

662 Representative and Senator were never meant to be full time careers.

Seems some have forgotten the concept of Cincinnatus

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 03, 2015 04:48 PM (bl7+W)

663 I lived quite well on 175K a year.



Of course, I was 30 years old and it was 1984. Money doesn't go as far these days.

Posted by: jwest at March 03, 2015 04:44 PM (9ZZd+)

You really are a pompous asshole....or a troll.

I'm honestly not sure which, although it could be both.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 03, 2015 04:49 PM (Zu3d9)

664 Jeezus Krist. Might as well appoint them for life and give them blanket immunity from prosecution.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 03, 2015 04:45 PM (LA7Cm)


OR.... someone else in the district just might want the job too - and it will be worth their time running for the office.

Also, if someone has a job like that, they would work to keep it.

Just a thought.

Posted by: jwest at March 03, 2015 04:49 PM (9ZZd+)

665 Think this is bad?

Wait until they confiscate your 401k "in the national interest.

Maybe they will nationalize the police and staff it with TSA washouts.

Maybe they will start disappearing people who speak out.

Maybe then the spark will catch.

But probably not. The Voice is on the teevee tonight.

Posted by: Jaws at March 03, 2015 04:49 PM (WKNX4)

666 They are both the same party, granted. But at least the media does their jobs and reports when the GOP screws up. Have to vote GOP just to stay informed. Weak, but it's all I got.

Posted by: robschr at March 03, 2015 04:49 PM (rPSqu)

667 659 How about this. ZERO pay and no pension for Congress. To serve the public in such an august body is its own reward.
Posted by: Ken at March 03, 2015 04:47 PM (LXJ1e)


They make the money off of kickbacks and illegal campaign contributions. The salary is chump change compared to all the goniffing they do on the side.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 04:49 PM (CMkNk)

668 Boy am I glad we didn't start that third party five years ago. Working inside the GOP worked great.

The next two years are going to be a hoot.
Posted by: Jukin at March 03, 2015 04:41 PM (WGm5T)


Uh, 1993 was a lot longer than 5 years ago.

Oh, I get it, you're talking about just the last couple of times we've been told to vote R & things will work out great!

Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Goodlife Knitting Klatsch at March 03, 2015 04:49 PM (Q819Q)

669 @637 jwest

"Add on a housing and car allowance and you've got a fairly good package that might attract some talent. "

The opportuinty for graft is so big, the actuall salary package itself is chump change.

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at March 03, 2015 04:49 PM (KmfiV)

670 Representative and Senator were never meant to be full time careers.

~6 mos every 2 years seems to work for Texas.

And I've been on the "term limits" train for quite a while.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 03, 2015 04:49 PM (kff5f)

671 #600 That's a very good idea, Jukin, to have a mass unsubscribe to GOPe emailing lists.

Posted by: andycanuck at March 03, 2015 04:50 PM (2KB+E)

672 Pay congressmen 500K base and give them another 500K bonus every year a balanced budget is passed.

NO. Put the cock suckers in dorm rooms within walking distance of the capital. Pay them enough for 3 decent meals a day. 1 round trip plane ticket per session. Kill ALL their perks. Cut the budget for pres & vice pres too. No more living like Louis 14 while we peasants starve.

Posted by: bibi's boobs destroy at March 03, 2015 04:50 PM (UciHm)

673 632 - You can always get a Ghost Gunner Mill and the Defense Distrubuted CAD files and go to town.

http://weaponsman.com/?p=21127

No you can't.


Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye at March 03, 2015 04:50 PM (ucB75)

674 The salary is chump change compared to all the goniffing they do on the side.


See John Murtha

Posted by: wrg500 at March 03, 2015 04:50 PM (sWgE+)

675 Also, Jwest. You *do* know who is in charge of Congressional pay, yes? Congress?

They could vote themselves that pay structure whenever they wanted (yes, it wouldn't kick in until the next Congress. boo-fucking-hoo), yet they don't.

I *wonder* why that would be.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 03, 2015 04:51 PM (kff5f)

676 Hey since the government wants to run the Internet. Make all these Reps and Senators telecommute from their state capitols. For 90 days a year.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 03, 2015 04:51 PM (bl7+W)

677 "almost 70% of Republicans vote "No" "

What happened to a majority of the Majority requirement?

I'm with you Ace.

Posted by: Goody2shoes at March 03, 2015 04:51 PM (UkfaC)

678 671 Agreed, which makes the salary thing moot.

Posted by: Ken at March 03, 2015 04:51 PM (LXJ1e)

679 I punched the dick off of a full grown bull elephant that was charging down Nelson Mandela with blood in its eyes. But that was 1984 & punches don't go as far as they did back then.

Posted by: Brian Williams at March 03, 2015 04:51 PM (Q819Q)

680 Did Ace quit the band?

Posted by: Garrett at March 03, 2015 04:51 PM (r75HN)

681 jwest: "Make it job worth having without the need to commit a felony."

At that level of power and privilege, they'll still look to commit felonies (without being caught). Greed is a powerful drug. With power and privilege, they'll rationalize they deserve even more. It's an uncapped drive.

It's like opening a vault for a bank robber and telling him, "You're free to take one pile... but just one." Their DNA won't allow them to exercise restraint.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 03, 2015 04:51 PM (1CroS)

682 Today is a nice day to go crazy. I'll start by preparing marbles with silly string for dinner this evening.

...green silly string. I just feel like that's a good flavor, green.

I'll be back after I rip the toilets out and take them both outside.

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at March 03, 2015 04:51 PM (16bOT)

683 Juan 1, Juan 2, or Juan 3?
Not Jose or Josb?

Posted by: andycanuck at March 03, 2015 04:51 PM (2KB+E)

684 And in Texas, our legislators have real jobs that they work when not in session. For example, Donna Campbell is an ER doctor.

Posted by: Lauren at March 03, 2015 04:52 PM (MYCIw)

685 "Representative and Senator were never meant to be full time careers. "


No, they were not. It was an act of service where you spent time seeing to the nation's affairs and then returned home to live under the laws you enacted and earn a living.

D.C. politician complains that they can't make a living then they're spending too goddam much time in Washington and not enough back home.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 03, 2015 04:52 PM (LA7Cm)

686 >>>Pay congressmen 500K base and give them another 500K bonus every year a balanced budget is passed.

Posted by: jwest at March 03, 2015 04:44 PM (9ZZd+)>>>

You're right. $175k is dog shit. That's why the GOP congressmen are all fucking idiots. Conservatives hate government and hate working for peanuts. Only thing I'd add is that if there is no balanced budget, they have to pay back their salary, plus an extra $500k.

Posted by: gm at March 03, 2015 04:52 PM (/kBoL)

687 I'm thinking it might be advantageous to renounce citizenship just to become one of the favored minority. Might be better than emigrating. Instead, just stay here in the USA and let the idiots pay me, at least until the crash comes. Then, adios.

Posted by: nobreakfast at March 03, 2015 04:53 PM (QEjbR)

688 What are You going to do about it? /fingerpokes
Why are you hitting yourself? Why are you hitting yourself? Why are you hitting yourself?

Posted by: johnny boehner at March 03, 2015 04:53 PM (2KB+E)

689 Put the cock suckers in dorm rooms within walking distance of the capital. Pay them enough for 3 decent meals a day. 1 round trip plane ticket per session. Kill ALL their perks. Cut the budget for pres & vice pres too. No more living like Louis 14 while we peasants starve.
Posted by: bibi's boobs destroy at March 03, 2015 04:50 PM (UciHm)


I've been saying for years, at the end of their second term in office hang 'em no matter how well they did. Don't want to swing? Don't run for a second term.

Posted by: Brian Williams at March 03, 2015 04:54 PM (Q819Q)

690 Pay congressmen 500K base and give them another 500K bonus every year a balanced budget is passed. Every one of them needs a leased jet to get back and forth to their district. Add on a housing and car allowance and you've got a fairly good package that might attract some talent.
Posted by: jwest



Bad troll is droll.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 03, 2015 04:54 PM (HZJjy)

691 almost 70% of Republicans vote "No"

And yet boner isn't expelled from the party for allowing this vote.

Posted by: Methos at March 03, 2015 04:54 PM (A6vWB)

692 "They could vote themselves that pay structure whenever they wanted (yes, it wouldn't kick in until the next Congress. boo-fucking-hoo), yet they don't. "


The last thing the people we have in congress now want is a pay package that would attract real talent.

They've got to protect their jobs.

Posted by: jwest at March 03, 2015 04:54 PM (9ZZd+)

693 WWAAD??


Posted by: dananjcon at March 03, 2015 04:54 PM (NpXoL)

694 Did Ace quit the band?

Posted by: Garrett at March 03, 2015 04:51 PM (r75HN)

My vote is on drunk, or taking a walk. Hopefully walk. Between work idiocy and House votes idiocy, am excited to go to gym tonight and burn off some of my rage via exercise. Cathartic.

Posted by: LizLem at March 03, 2015 04:54 PM (yRwC8)

695 Ok,

You don't think this posting was to smoke us out do you? Are we sure it was really Ace?

Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 03, 2015 04:54 PM (WNERA)

696 520 You thought John Roberts ruling on Obamacare was a major victory for conservatives. Your $.02 is in Zimbabwe dollars.

Posted by: Buzzion at March 03, 2015 04:19 PM (z/Ubi)

Got a link for that buzz?
Posted by: rockmom at March 03, 2015 04:26 PM (NYnoe)



Oh right you just thought it was good that Roberts didn't kill the whole law because of the mandate. And that Obama was going to have a hard time beating Romney because he now had to defend a major tax. Oh yeah you sure are a political savant.

Posted by: Buzzion at March 03, 2015 04:55 PM (z/Ubi)

697 Kinda CakeGirl

http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/selection-du-weekend-128-24.jpg

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 03, 2015 04:55 PM (bl7+W)

698 They've got to protect their jobs.

I'm sorry... what's the incumbent retention rate?

They, in general, would be in no danger and they know it.

So try again.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 03, 2015 04:55 PM (kff5f)

699 Also, if someone has a job like that, they would work to keep it.

Just a thought.

It's not like they get convicted of wrongdoing. Are you really that stupid?

Posted by: Infidel at March 03, 2015 04:55 PM (hzk7S)

700 Revolution? Destroying Everything? "Make it burn"?



That's exactly what the Left wants.

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 03, 2015 03:35 PM (0Ew3K)


No... that is what the left thinks it wants; in an actual revolution they would get slaughtered like hogs at a sausage factory.
The USA is not Russia in 1917.

Posted by: An Observation at March 03, 2015 04:56 PM (ylhEn)

701 I'm thinking it might be advantageous to renounce citizenship just to become one of the favored minority. Might be better than emigrating. Instead, just stay here in the USA and let the idiots pay me, at least until the crash comes. Then, adios.
Posted by: nobreakfast at March 03, 2015 04:53 PM (QEjbR)


------------------------------------------


Find an english speaking country and live there long enough for citizenship, THEN renounce your American citizenship. Only then would you be able to immigrate back to the US and get all the bennies.

Posted by: Soona at March 03, 2015 04:56 PM (/HX7u)

702 Congresspeople should get a $250k voucher!

Posted by: Garrett at March 03, 2015 04:56 PM (r75HN)

703 Juan 1, Juan 2, or Juan 3?

Not Jose or Josb?


Them too. 5 names 125 people.

Almost like West Virginia.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 03, 2015 04:56 PM (HZJjy)

704 How is having Juan, who works under the table now for $5 an hour going to become cheaper labor when once he is legalized

Its not about that. Its about this document called the CONSTITUTION.

Ever hear of it?

The Pres does NOT get to make the freaking laws. He is "supposed" to enforce them.

Despite what some jackass troll said above, this is NOT about hating Mexicans. It is about the small, insignificant thing called "rule of law" and "balance of powers"

These were considered pretty damn important in the past and were, in fact, the whole f'ng premise of our government

Posted by: FITP at March 03, 2015 04:56 PM (jjmtb)

705 night all

Posted by: Bigby's Fistbump at March 03, 2015 04:56 PM (3ZtZW)

706 >>>NO. Put the cock suckers in dorm rooms within
walking distance of the capital. Pay them enough for 3 decent meals a
day. 1 round trip plane ticket per session. Kill ALL their perks. Cut
the budget for pres vice pres too. No more living like Louis 14
while we peasants starve.

Posted by: bibi's boobs destroy at March 03, 2015 04:50 PM (UciHm)<<<

Put them in barracks that our troops would find themselves in. Chow lines. Etc. Let them live by the same codes of conduct that someone in the military has to live under, as well.
If they want to be "public servants" they can live like our men and women in uniform do when they are serving the nation.

Posted by: just a thought at March 03, 2015 04:56 PM (OVx7B)

707 As a Congressman, Boehnor is in the top 5% of the entire country, somehow I don't think moving him to the 1% would have changed anything.

Posted by: Ken at March 03, 2015 04:56 PM (LXJ1e)

708 The USA is not Russia in 1917.

Or China.
Or Cambodia.
Or...


"A rifle behind every blade of grass..."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 03, 2015 04:56 PM (kff5f)

709 What more do you want from me?

*bounds off*
Posted by: alexthechick - LIV ahoy! at March 03, 2015 04:37 PM


Umm...moar bounding?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 03, 2015 04:57 PM (h4vJk)

710 Posted by: Garrett at March 03, 2015 04:56 PM (r75HN)

*golf clap*

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 03, 2015 04:57 PM (kff5f)

711 What I am not grasping is why the Chamber of Commerce and the businesses
that actually have a lot of money to donate to their favorite
politician(hence why so many politicians favor amnesty) are so in favor
of this.


For the same reason we keep hearing about THE CRISIS IN STEM!!!!!!!!!! when tech wages have been flat or declining for a decade. More labor == lower wages == happy Chamber of Commerce.

Posted by: DocJ at March 03, 2015 04:58 PM (zrsn3)

712 Jen the Original

To respond to your question as to why the chamber of commerce wants the amnesty. well, from what i have heard from business owners that DO employ immigrants from mostly mexico and central america, they feel that these guys work harder than the American unskilled laborers do. there may be some truth to this, but of course, it is a very myopic view point on the issue considering the over whelming numbers that will be streaming into the country, and also considering the disparate costs to society as whole. there is also the issue of cultural changes that will occur in the country as regions become predominantly hispanic and spanish speaking. some would consider it racist to even bring it up, but just as hispanics have a right to celebrate their own heritage, other Americans also have that same right. the chamber is one sided and naive in their position on immigration. they do want lots of good, cheap workers, and they do not care that the rest of the country has to pick up the tab for it in other ways, i.e., education, social services, health care, etc.. they don't care. period. from their perspective, it won't negatively impact them or their families. they also don't care about the country on a macro level. they are only thinking about their own pocket books.

Posted by: Miss Completely Done at March 03, 2015 04:58 PM (2/oBD)

713 Kinda CakeGirlhttp://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/selection-du-weekend-128-24.jpg
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 03, 2015 04:55 PM (bl7+W)


------------------------------------------


Hmmmm. Close enough. I knew I could depend on you to come up with something.

Posted by: Soona at March 03, 2015 04:58 PM (/HX7u)

714 Has anyone seen CAC? I may need his advice on the finer points of a new hobby I'm considering.

Posted by: alexthechick - LIV ahoy! at March 03, 2015 04:58 PM (mf5HN)

715 Really, we need to establish a tarriff on their incomes for 10-20 min. years after their service.

Posted by: Garrett at March 03, 2015 04:58 PM (r75HN)

716 What more do you want from me?
*bounds off*
Posted by: alexthechick


Umm...moar bounding?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState



Trampoline and tee shirt.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 03, 2015 04:59 PM (HZJjy)

717 Congress Critters should have food vouchers to Chuck e Cheese. No where else.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 03, 2015 04:59 PM (bl7+W)

718 Blutarski: 34. Kinzinger (Ill.), DEAD!

This carpetbagger is at zero risk of being voted out by a democrat, yet he still voted with the surrender monkeys. I am now a Democratic (congressional) voter. Eff this guy.

Posted by: FDR's Television at March 03, 2015 04:59 PM (ne2fm)

719 Remember that book, "Enjoy the Decline"? Seems like a good time for a re-read. Or read it for the first time.
(I have no financial interest)

Posted by: Sam at March 03, 2015 04:59 PM (sO6CM)

720 AlextheChick, can't you find a less invasive place to inject the heroin besides your eyeball?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 03, 2015 04:59 PM (bl7+W)

721 Has anyone seen CAC? I may need his advice on the finer points of a new hobby I'm considering.

If you manage to OD on the Mary Jane, some insurance rep will read the case notes, and laugh at you.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 03, 2015 05:00 PM (kff5f)

722
Trampoline and tee shirt.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 03, 2015 04:59 PM


And webcam.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 03, 2015 05:00 PM (h4vJk)

723 A sampling of the occupations of Texas state legislators.

Paul lives in Houston, where he works as a civil engineer.

Pena is a retired commercial refrigerator installer.

Phelan lives in Beaumont, where he works as a senior partner and broker at a family-owned real estate development company.

Romero lives in Fort Worth, where he owns Stone Mason Supply.

Spitzer, an Athens native now living in Kaufman, has worked as a general surgeon for 21 years.

Ect. ect. ect.

Posted by: Lauren at March 03, 2015 05:00 PM (MYCIw)

724 Funny GIECO ad
Via @DebbyWitt and @ComradeArthur. [rdbrewer]


G*E*ICO.

Government Employees Insurance Company.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 03, 2015 05:00 PM (TtXjG)

725 Umm...moar bounding?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState







Trampoline and tee shirt.

Posted by: rickb223


Y'all are just sick perverts looking for a cheap thrill.

I applaud your efforts.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at March 03, 2015 05:00 PM (/Ho8c)

726


Lookit, we will be giving the Iranians a lot of high paying jobs building nuclear weapons. Those jobs mean more investment in our economy.

Thank you,
John Boner


Posted by: Rev Dr Dumb Bunnies at March 03, 2015 05:01 PM (cNiT0)

727 in the beginning we turned them out at a 90/10 ratio, 200 years later that has turned around to 10/90.

go into that voting booth and vote against every single incumbent on the ballot, don't worry who you are putting into office because you are going to do the same thing every 2 years.

Posted by: Shoey at March 03, 2015 05:01 PM (vA94g)

728 And then there's this: Hillary opened private email account the day the congressional hearings began:

http://tinyurl.com/mnq8hz4

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 03, 2015 05:01 PM (BZAd3)

729 >>725 Has anyone seen CAC? I may need his advice on the finer points of a new hobby I'm considering.


I am an expert finger paint artist.

Just putting that out there. I'll just leave these here and let myself out.
*sets down plate of blondies*

Posted by: Garrett at March 03, 2015 05:02 PM (r75HN)

730 Y'all are just sick perverts looking for a cheap thrill.

I applaud your efforts.
Posted by: Moderate Salami at March 03, 2015 05:00 P


'Rons gotta 'ron.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 03, 2015 05:02 PM (h4vJk)

731 >>>The constitutional checks-and-balances are a fucking joke.


Posted by: Ron Dayne at March 03, 2015 05:01 PM (klYSh)<<<

Thunder, that you?

Posted by: Tiki "Lightning" Barber at March 03, 2015 05:02 PM (OVx7B)

732 Has anyone seen CAC? I may need his advice on the finer points of a new hobby I'm considering.

Posted by: alexthechick - LIV ahoy! at March 03, 2015 04:58 PM


Does this "hobby" involve a lighter & a glass pipe?

Posted by: AltonJackson at March 03, 2015 05:03 PM (2Ayux)

733 Did I mention that I also want the government to pay for any elected congressman or senator's reelection campaign so that they wouldn't have to waste time fundraising?

Match whatever their competitor raises.

Posted by: jwest at March 03, 2015 05:03 PM (9ZZd+)

734 I have long felt like a woman keeping watch over a dying loved one -- the loved one in this case being my country. I have worked my ass off to save it, paid dear money to its potential caretakers who, once in care taking position, forsake me and the dying patient. I have prayed -- Lord, how I have prayed. But maybe Ace is right. Maybe it is time to stop trying so hard to save the dying, and just pull the plug.

Posted by: Tired Mom at March 03, 2015 05:03 PM (Rf6QT)

735 *sets down plate of blondies*

Posted by: Garrett at March 03, 2015 05:02 PM (r75HN)


It's a trap!

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 03, 2015 05:03 PM (kff5f)

736 716 Posted by: Miss Completely Done at March 03, 2015 04:58 PM (2/oBD)

The Chamber of Kronyism doesn't get the concept that repeated anal fisting of the Golden Goose will kill the bird, not induce more and bigger golden eggs.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 05:03 PM (CMkNk)

737 The wise man is joyful, happy and calm, unshaken,
he lives on a plane with the gods. Now go, question yourself; if
you are never downcast, if your mind is not harassed by my apprehension,
through anticipation of what is to come, if day and night your soul keeps
on its even and unswerving course, upright and content with itself, then
you have attained to the greatest good that mortals can possess.

Posted by: Seneca at March 03, 2015 05:03 PM (7wyDO)

738 Put them in barracks that our troops would find themselves in. Chow lines. Etc.
Shit. Sushi on a shingle. Again.
I thought tonight was supposed to be Spam Wellington.
Shit.

Posted by: johnny boehner at March 03, 2015 05:03 PM (2KB+E)

739 Agreed. Time for the Chamber of Commerce to feel the pain.

The Republican establishment doesn't oppose Obama--it envies him. And it can't wait to get its hands on those expanded imperial executive powers.

Alas, it also suffers from a debilitating closed-head injury--it thinks it can win the Oval Office by offering the electorate Jeb Bush.

So, here we are. My hopes for limited government are now predicated on a fiscal crisis which leaves no other alternative.

Posted by: Steve the Pirate at March 03, 2015 05:03 PM (ifqy+)

740 Well time to go pick cat up at vet.

He had a fight with something that bit him behind the right ear. Luckily they did not have to sedate him but he is pumped full of antibiotics now.

Some feline related reading material
http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/selection-du-weekend-128-55.jpg

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 03, 2015 05:04 PM (bl7+W)

741 738 Did I mention that I also want the government to pay for any elected congressman or senator's reelection campaign so that they wouldn't have to waste time fundraising?

Match whatever their competitor raises.
Posted by: jwest at March 03, 2015 05:03 PM (9ZZd+)




That removed any doubt I had.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 03, 2015 05:04 PM (WNERA)

742 So...no rebuttal, JWest?

Posted by: Lauren at March 03, 2015 05:04 PM (MYCIw)

743 "I will vote for democrats."

Pull up your big girl britches and stop being a pussy, Ace.

Posted by: Clevon Stepinfetchit at March 03, 2015 05:04 PM (1GLXo)

744 I applaud your efforts.
Posted by: Moderate Salami


'Rons gotta 'ron.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState



Not my first rodeo.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 03, 2015 05:04 PM (HZJjy)

745 Has anyone seen CAC? I may need his advice on the finer points of a new hobby I'm considering.
Astronomy? Cool!

Posted by: andycanuck at March 03, 2015 05:05 PM (2KB+E)

746 745 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 03, 2015 05:04 PM (bl7+W)

Hope pussy is ok.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 05:05 PM (CMkNk)

747 Or did you want the special brownies?
I'll just leave those, too.

*sets down plate of brownies*

Pro tip: don't bring those across any state or international boundaries.

Posted by: Garrett at March 03, 2015 05:05 PM (r75HN)

748 Posted by: Lauren at March 03, 2015 05:04 PM (MYCIw)

Shhh. He's on a roll.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 03, 2015 05:05 PM (kff5f)

749 Poor kitty, Anna Puma.

Hope he feels better soon.

Posted by: Lauren at March 03, 2015 05:05 PM (MYCIw)

750 I'm going to paint my kitchen "Spaghetti-O". I believe I have forty cans or so. I have no ideas for the living room, but I can tackle that tomorrow.

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at March 03, 2015 05:05 PM (16bOT)

751 Methos: "And yet boner isn't expelled from the party for allowing this vote."

They wanted this vote. Why would they expel him?

It's a charade. This was the dance that was needed for the GOP to permit Amnesty without appearing to want Amnesty for the home audience.

This was all entirely by design. It started years ago but since just before the last election, we've been witness to the last steps.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 03, 2015 05:05 PM (1CroS)

752 I wish I could be one of those people who could just cease to give a shit anymore. It's exhausting feeling this way all the damn time.

I feel bad for the next person on the RNC autodialer who gets my number in their queue.

Posted by: tdpwells at March 03, 2015 05:06 PM (o8t/A)

753 Apparently, fmr congressman Jim Moran comments on this blog. (Link in nick.)

Posted by: Y-not at March 03, 2015 05:06 PM (9BRsg)

754 As much as it pains me to say it, I agree. Have for some time. I don't know if I'll vote Dem, but I ain't voting Republican. And I really want a Dem in office when the shiat inevitably hits the fan. Hard to blame a spineless Republican that ain't there to blame.

Republicans now are associated with conservatism, which is something they are not. So anything they do gets "blamed" or attributed to conservatives. That has to stop. A third party does that.

Why would you retain an attorney who constantly cuts deals in your name, without your approval, deals that undermine you and are tantamount to losing the case? Why not just litigate and take a chance with the Judge? Even once?

They don't represent us. So quit voting for them as if they do.

And Republicans will never change as long as they are continually rewarded (votes) for doing the opposite of what their voters want. They will keep on keepin' on, confident that Republicans voters will vote "lest the terrible Democrats get into office, 'shudder'!"

Vote third party and see Dems in control, you say? How is that different than now? The Repubs will screw me 5% less? Whoopie doo. Sorry, the days of guilting me with that are over. The Dems have controlled DC for 8 years, and have been very successful in fundamental transformation across many forums. It won't be reversed in our life time, and it won't be halted with Weeper the Bitch reunning Congress "on our behalf".

Posted by: Saltyron at March 03, 2015 05:06 PM (i6shs)

755 We've got plenty of gun owners and vets on our side...why not just take over a small nation and start anew. Somewhere warm, like a Caribbean island or central america?

Posted by: Grimaldi at March 03, 2015 05:06 PM (vYJmf)

756 Oh right you just thought it was good that Roberts didn't kill the whole law because of the mandate. And that Obama was going to have a hard time beating Romney because he now had to defend a major tax. Oh yeah you sure are a political savant.

Posted by: Buzzion at March 03, 2015 04:55 PM (z/Ubi)


That's all bullshit, but obviously it is still really important to you for some reason.

Posted by: rockmom at March 03, 2015 05:06 PM (NYnoe)

757 755 I'm going to paint my kitchen "Spaghetti-O". I believe I have forty cans or so. I have no ideas for the living room, but I can tackle that tomorrow.
Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at March 03, 2015 05:05 PM (16bOT)


That was the Italian TV version of the show "Harry-O."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2015 05:07 PM (CMkNk)

758 "Did I mention that I also want the government to pay for any elected congressman or senator's reelection campaign so that they wouldn't have to waste time fundraising? Match whatever their competitor raises"

Is that all competitor's combined? In a primary you may have more than one competitor, wouldn't be fair for the Congressman to have only as much as one.

Posted by: Ken at March 03, 2015 05:07 PM (LXJ1e)

759 I wish I could be one of those people who could just cease to give a shit anymore. It's exhausting feeling this way all the damn time.

How do you think I feel. I'm a teetotaler on top of it- I can't even drink to make myself numb for a few hours. (stupid, stupid genetic predisposition to stupid stupid alcoholism)

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 03, 2015 05:07 PM (kff5f)

760
It's a charade. This was the dance that was needed for the GOP to permit Amnesty without appearing to want Amnesty for the home audience.


Kabuki. This was to be the outcome all along, and Boner waited until he could do it in Bibi's shadow.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 03, 2015 05:07 PM (MMC8r)

761 My hopes for limited government are now predicated on a fiscal crisis which leaves no other alternative.

And that is why the burning times are necessary. At some point the idle hands which give rise to the democrats and moderate republicans have to be dealt with and mass starvation is as good a solution as any.

Posted by: Methos at March 03, 2015 05:07 PM (A6vWB)

762 722 Blutarski: 34. Kinzinger (Ill.), DEAD!

This carpetbagger is at zero risk of being voted out by a democrat, yet he still voted with the surrender monkeys. I am now a Democratic (congressional) voter. Eff this guy.


Email to this fuckrat:
"Being in a safely red district there was little non-ideological reasoning to vote for the clean DHS funding bill. You're an all-talk, carpetbagging surrender-monkey that, apparently, is beholden to corporatist contributors and not the middle class that makes up the vast majority of your constituency. I will vote against you in a primary and for a democrat in the general election. Get lost and co-host a show with fellow loser Joe Walsh."

Posted by: FDR's Television at March 03, 2015 05:08 PM (ne2fm)

763 747 So...no rebuttal, JWest?

Posted by: Lauren at March 03, 2015 05:04 PM (MYCIw)



Concerning "citizen legislators"?

You get what you pay for.

It would take a full congress working 10 hour days years to straighten out the government. We need people who will put in the time, not part timers.

Posted by: jwest at March 03, 2015 05:08 PM (9ZZd+)

764 Let in burn

Posted by: Ladbrook at March 03, 2015 05:08 PM (dncvk)

765 Sen Simpson R Wy felt the same way. Special snowflake who thought it would be easy to make more in private sector.

If it was so fucking easy why did he stay long after he could have retired?

Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 03, 2015 05:08 PM (WNERA)

766 Sen Simpson R Wy felt the same way. Special snowflake who thought it would be easy to make more in private sector.

If it was so fucking easy why did he stay long after he could have retired?

Posted by: Bob from table9 at March 03, 2015 05:08 PM (WNERA)

767 Remember, the GOP is the Washington Generals. They're playing a part, and not actually trying to win.

Posted by: gewa76 at March 03, 2015 03:32 PM (S9rS1)
----------------------------

Yes, this exactly. I've used this myself. It's all a show with a per-determined outcome.

Posted by: Saltyron at March 03, 2015 05:08 PM (i6shs)

768 Now that I've filled all of my socks with the tuna fish, I'm not sure if I'll keep them in my basement or the garage.

*flips a lid*
::tails::

...garage it is.

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at March 03, 2015 05:09 PM (16bOT)

769 Ra is always a good kitteh, even when he shreds me with his claws. Which he did not do today. He rode my left shoulder while I drove to the vet. No time for a carrier.

The vet who worked on him just called to verify I was informed. Said Ra was a very good boy as they shaved off the spot of fur, cleaned everything out, and gave him shots.

So there its official, Ra is a super kitteh.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 03, 2015 05:09 PM (bl7+W)

770 So we're really here now.

It's so depressing.

Posted by: Kensington (@NYKensington) at March 03, 2015 05:09 PM (YZcNj)

771 I wish I could be one of those people who could just cease to give a shit anymore. It's exhausting feeling this way all the damn time.


When you get sick and tired of feeling sick and tired, that's where you'll find your apathy.

Just remember to care about the things that you can and should control.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at March 03, 2015 05:09 PM (0NdlF)

772 "You get what you pay for."

Just like in Texas?

Posted by: Lauren at March 03, 2015 05:09 PM (MYCIw)

773
I wonder what cats think when they're left at the vets.

Posted by: Soothsayer The Incorrigble II at March 03, 2015 05:09 PM (omuEe)

774 So... Republicans have gone full Stockholm Syndrome and appease the Democrats at all cost.

The Democrats have gone full Stockholm Syndrome and appease the Islamists at all costs.

This is not going to turn out well for Christians.

Just saying.

Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at March 03, 2015 05:09 PM (32zvW)

775 So, here we are. My hopes for limited government are now predicated on a fiscal crisis which leaves no other alternative.

Posted by: Steve the Pirate at March 03, 2015 05:03 PM (ifqy+)

It's gonna happen pretty soon. What cannot be sustained, won't be.

Posted by: rockmom at March 03, 2015 05:10 PM (Q4elb)

776 Kabuki. This was to be the outcome all along...

This is actually only slightly more comforting than thinking they, in reality, didn't want to go this route and yet what played out was their multi-variate, 12-dimensional chess to defund EA shamnesty.

Back-stabbers? Or complete, utter, incompetence?

Ladies and Gentlemen, your 2015 Republican Party!! ( cue music )

Posted by: DocJ at March 03, 2015 05:10 PM (zrsn3)

777 Alas, it also suffers from a debilitating
closed-head injury--it thinks it can win the Oval Office by offering the
electorate Jeb Bush.


The GOP primary season is not about getting someone that can win the Presidency, it's about making sure a conservative candidate doesn't get the nomination.

The powers-that-be are good with anyone that will keep government big and bloated, of either party, so anyone but a small-government type.

The Chamber of Commerce and other big donors want big government.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at March 03, 2015 05:11 PM (MMC8r)

778 Vote Democrat? ....Nope. Can't do it. No fkn way.

Posted by: wheatie at March 03, 2015 05:11 PM (XIzXB)

779 nood

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at March 03, 2015 05:12 PM (wlDny)

780 "Is that all competitor's combined? In a primary you may have more than one competitor, wouldn't be fair for the Congressman to have only as much as one."


Allow competitors to raise as much from whatever U.S. sources they like - no limits, all transparent and disclosed immediately on line.

The office holder gets matching funds equal to the highest competitor. Also, the office holder is barred by law from soliciting or accepting anything of any value.

Posted by: jwest at March 03, 2015 05:12 PM (9ZZd+)

781 Now that I've filled all of my socks with the tuna fish, I'm not sure if I'll keep them in my basement or the garage.



Pro tip? Leave it in the cans first.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 03, 2015 05:13 PM (HZJjy)

782 Concerning "citizen legislators"?

You get what you pay for.


Huh. So, by that logic, Texas should have a sucky environment.

Funny how it didn't work out that way.

*IF* (and it won't happen this side of a shooting war) we had a majority of Legislators who truly honored the Constitution, it'd take a few months- not years- of regular 6 hour days to fix it.

A bill which reads: "The entirety of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is hereby repealed," doesn't take long to write. A bill which reads: "All authorization for the existence and operation of the Federal Communication Commission is hereby revoked" doesn't take long, either.

The longest time would be actual votes, and the biggest slow down would be when legislators got laryngitis from saying "Aye" too much.

Even in a more real-world scenario, I'm willing to accept a slower march to rationality if it means that (once that march is complete) future legislatures will have less time and opportunity for mischief.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 03, 2015 05:13 PM (kff5f)

783 How about this: Congress is paid the mean salary of the state they represent. Help your state achieve a higher income, get a raise.

Posted by: Xavier at March 03, 2015 05:13 PM (sTWPi)

784 It would take a full congress working 10 hour days years to straighten
out the government. We need people who will put in the time, not part
timers.


It would take a constitutional convention five minutes.

We hereby declare that the federal government of the United States of America is disbanded and all its debts, proclamations, and laws are null and void.

Posted by: Methos at March 03, 2015 05:13 PM (A6vWB)

785 The Republican party has devolved into a racket. It's understandable. It's not good, it's greedy, but this kind of thing always happens.

The Democrats, OTOH, are evil. They'll make you work, tax you heavily, and then fund something such as abortion. Then they'll rub your face.

Buy ammo and REMEMBER THESE TIMES

Posted by: Black&White at March 03, 2015 05:13 PM (PoylB)

786
I wonder what cats think when they're left at the vets.

when i get out of here the bastard that left meis going to die a very slow and painful death

Posted by: kj at March 03, 2015 05:13 PM (lKyWE)

787 We knew he was gonna do this.... They are relying on the Courts which we all know is a pipe dream.... we're soooooo0 screwed...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at March 03, 2015 05:14 PM (Bn6aD)

788 Oh who am I kidding - there won't be any Congress in 2 years.

Posted by: Xavier at March 03, 2015 05:15 PM (sTWPi)

789 From the FBI: Former Rhode Island House Speaker and Providence Licensing Board Vice Chairman Gordon Fox to Plead Guilty in Federal Court to Wire Fraud, Bribery, and Tax Evasion

And yet, the RI legislature is something like 92% Democrat, just like the entire CONgressional delegation and all state-wide elected offices.

And yet my employer has me paroled in this 2-bit crime syndicate that masquerades as a state.

Let it burn.

Posted by: DocJ at March 03, 2015 05:15 PM (zrsn3)

790 "Pro tip? Leave it in the cans first."
-Posted by: rickb223 at March 03, 2015 05:13 PM (HZJjy)

YOU ARE NOT HELPING.

*snorts another line of Dran-O*

...where's the axe?

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at March 03, 2015 05:16 PM (16bOT)

791 778 "You get what you pay for."

Just like in Texas?

Posted by: Lauren at March 03, 2015 05:09 PM (MYCIw)


Texas works - for now.

However, there are a lot of things that people would change if they knew about them. Ever look into how much power your railroad commissioner has?

Things are best done in the open with elected officials doing a professional job. Make the job worth taking and competition will take of the rest.

Posted by: jwest at March 03, 2015 05:16 PM (9ZZd+)

792 Fuck this guy in particular.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at March 03, 2015 05:16 PM (MbrzC)

793 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at March 03, 2015 05:07 PM (kff5f)

Also live in a 'dry' house - can't stand the taste of alcohol, and not for lack of trying LOL. Probably just as well, I have an addictive personality.

Yanno, a lot of Christians will tell you that there is no America in the end times. So there's that. Dude on the corner with the sandwich board was apparently right!

Posted by: tdpwells at March 03, 2015 05:18 PM (o8t/A)

794 The late Lee Croft said the same thing (f' the GOP) after 2 terms of Bush. Unfortunately I don't think he ever dreamed we'd end up with 2 terms of Obama.

A vote for any third party candidate would still be better than a vote for any Dem.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at March 03, 2015 05:19 PM (J9pU/)

795
761 Oh right you just thought it was good that Roberts didn't kill the whole law because of the mandate. And that Obama was going to have a hard time beating Romney because he now had to defend a major tax. Oh yeah you sure are a political savant. Posted by: Buzzion at March 03, 2015 04:55 PM (z/Ubi) That's all bullshit, but obviously it is still really important to you for some reason.
Posted by: rockmom at March 03, 2015 05:06 PM (NYnoe)


http://minx.cc:1080/?post=330574
Obamacare does not make it against the law to not have health insurance. It just taxes you if you don't. It. Is. A. TAX. People don't like taxes. If we can't wrap this around every Democrat's neck in November, including Barack Obama's, shame on us.
Posted by: rockmom at June 29, 2012 10:28 AM (aBlZ1)


374 Hate to say I told ya so, but I told ya so. Though I was like rdbrewer and expected Roberts to send the mandate sectionback to Congress for a rewrite. I don't think he caved on this. I think he wanted to toss the mandate but uphold the rest ofthe lawand let Congress stew in their shit. But he couldn't get 5 votes for that. And I'm shocked that he couldn't. I haven't read Kennedy's dissent yet though. Roberts' opinion on the Commerce Clause and Necessary and Proper arguments is BLAZING hot stuff. If he had just tossed it on that ground, everyone here would be jumping up and down at how hard he kicked Obama and Pelosi in the ass. BUT, Congress was just clever or dumb-lucky enough to make it look like a tax, in which case it is a tax. What Roberts has left Obama with is an election in which he has to defend a gigantic tax increase on middle-class families.
Posted by: rockmom at June 28, 2012 03:56 PM (qE3AR)
504 @503 Roberts is neither. He is crafty. He told Congress and the Preezy that they were too clever by half, they wrote a fucking bill that IS a tax and tried to lie and obfuscate by saying it wasn't a tax. He called Bullshit on them. And he wasn't going to give them rope to hang him with by throwing out the whole law. Instead, he's given the voters rope to hang Obama with. ***Oh, I'm sorry, that's racist. I denounce myself.***
Posted by: rockmom at June 28, 2012 05:32 PM (NYnoe)


http://minx.cc:1080/?post=330629


66 Because Roberts did the deed. Um, duh? Posted by: Methos at July 01, 2012 01:57 PM (6LvlL) He only did it because he couldn't get any of the conservatives to go along with keeping the rest of the law. We would have been rid of the mandate, and Obama would have been handed a steaming pile of shit that doesn't work without it. But Kennedy wouldn't go along with that.
Posted by: rockmom at July 01, 2012 02:02 PM (YPgCz)


http://minx.cc:1080/?post=330680

134 Why is everyone here ignoring the elephant in the room? If it is a tax, then John Roberts declared Barack Obama a LIAR. So tell me again why we shouldn't call it a tax? And especially why Mitt Romney should not call it a tax? Roberts handed him a freaking howitzer to shoot at Obama.
Posted by: rockmom at July 03, 2012 02:39 PM (qE3AR)


Sure sounds to me like you thought Roberts was awesome and that Obama was going to struggle against Romney because of it. Eat a dick.

Posted by: buzzion at March 03, 2015 05:19 PM (z/Ubi)

796 We've got plenty of gun owners and vets on our
side...why not just take over a small nation and start anew. Somewhere
warm, like a Caribbean island or central america?

Posted by: Grimaldi at March 03, 2015 05:06 PM (vYJmf)

There are plenty of Greek islands for sale... only problem, your neighbor is Greece.

Posted by: LizLem at March 03, 2015 05:20 PM (yRwC8)

797 Part time legislators sounds good on the surface, but it only leads to hidden power in the permanent staffs that float from office holder to office holder.

Even paying our elected leaders a million a year plus jets/homes/cars and anything else you can think of, it's piss change in comparison to what we throw away every week on bad programs and stupid policies.

Spend a little, save a lot.

Posted by: jwest at March 03, 2015 05:21 PM (9ZZd+)

798 I agree, No republican gets my vote again.

If they insist on going down this path then so be it. But I am no longer willing to be the guy without a chair.

Dem's love to vote to give things to themselves with other peoples money. I am philosophically opposed to this. But the R's no longer even bother to keep up the pretense of opposing this. So you are left with two choices.

Either keep opposing the Dem's and simply be the guy who pays the tab at the end. If you have a family this leaves your kids and grandkids in a long term untenable situation. Filled with low living standards and poverty.

Or join the Dems. Use it to get as much stuff as possible so you and your family have a better chance to survive long term. Sure you will still get stuck with the bill at the end. But at least you got something for it.

None of the political establishment is even making the pretense that they can stop the sinking ship. They are just quibbling about home many knots to hit the iceberg at.

Posted by: Mythx at March 03, 2015 05:23 PM (n5Dcy)

799 "THIS WEEKEND I GET MY SHOELACES BACK"
-Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 03, 2015 05:21 PM (eqRD+)

I don't. They're all frozen in blocks of ice at the bottom of the garage freezer. Same for the scissors.

Nobody's fault but mine. I rarely plan ahead.

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) (T) at March 03, 2015 05:24 PM (16bOT)

800 Sure sounds to me like you thought Roberts was awesome and that Obama was going to struggle against Romney because of it. Eat a dick.
Posted by: buzzion at March 03, 2015 05:19 PM (z/Ubi)


All those posts were predicated on the republicans using said howitzer, which they did not. The issue of the mandate being a tax per Roberts was barely a blip in the last election.

Posted by: tdpwells at March 03, 2015 05:24 PM (o8t/A)

801 Socialists/Communist as well as muslims believe they have to destroy a Countries society to rebuild it in their image. BEWARE OF WHAT YOU WISH FOR, YOU MIGHT JUST GET IT IN SPADES. Socialists/Communists love a purge of millions dead when they first take over. Every idiot is sure it won't be them.

Posted by: ron n. at March 03, 2015 05:25 PM (YVQn/)

802 I'm personally done with this party.

In fact, I will vote for Democrats.


Point of order, Ace - you've been voting for the Rats all along.

Posted by: steveegg at March 03, 2015 05:27 PM (cL79m)

803 I applaud the deserting idiots, and congratulate them on their bold decision to leave the GOP.

Just a little reminder: now that you are finally actually leaving, it means we don't have to pretend to listen to your nonsense and ranting anymore. And you have no interest in our nominating process, so butt the hell out.

Man, this is cool! Bye-bye, losers! Good luck with Hillary and Liz and the Gang, for those going full-on Democrat, and best wishes to those forming their own new lunatic fringe party.

Posted by: Adjoran at March 03, 2015 05:33 PM (QIQ6j)

804 Roll-Call
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2015/roll109.xml

Posted by: ChrisP at March 03, 2015 05:48 PM (Ib3Td)

805 @700 An Observation

"No... that is what the left thinks it wants; in an actual revolution they would get slaughtered like hogs at a sausage factory. The USA is not Russia in 1917."

A point that is lost on alot of people.

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at March 03, 2015 05:53 PM (KmfiV)

806 The reason these assholes are holding their heart is the can't believe they got away with it again.

Posted by: chicken thief at March 03, 2015 05:57 PM (BGMLV)

807 Mirror

LOL!!! Hispanics may be slightly a bit socially conservative - just a bit - but they are first and foremost largely socialists. they also have the second highest rate of out of wedlock births (right behind that of African Americans), which comes along with all manner of social and economic ills that are correlated with the single-mother family structure.

Posted by: Miss Completely Done at March 03, 2015 06:04 PM (2/oBD)

808 90
The fact that 167 voted against this bill today is meaningless. What is
meaningful is the number of Republicans that voted to elect Boehner
speaker again.



My rep voted no. What am I supposed to do, tell him that I won't
vote for him, even though he votes 95% of the time as I would want him
to vote?



So I can vote instead for a democrat/marxist who wont vote as I would want virtually 100% of the time?



All you people who childishly think that having the country go full
marxism as fast as possible because of payback or some idiotic thing
ought to go talk to someone who escaped such a country. Maybe you might
put a little more thought into your statements. Goes for you too, Ace.

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If you like your rep, you can keep your rep.

Posted by: Art Griego at March 03, 2015 06:05 PM (XDwcC)

809 I'm in MA, and I voted for Evan Falchuk for gov'nor last fall. I told my partisan Dem acquaintances I wanted a $35 minimum wage. They do not want to hear that.

Posted by: BuddyPC at March 03, 2015 06:05 PM (jfUIE)

810 Mirror

LOL!!! In Mitt's alternate universe, maybe, but not in this one!

LOL!!

Posted by: Miss Completely Done at March 03, 2015 06:05 PM (2/oBD)

811 The equation I am asked to believe is that the Democrats can pass bills that the Republicans are powerless to overturn. That even in the minority the Dem's are so powerful as o thwart any diminution of power of the brilliance of Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi.

My only hope is that one of the candidates breaks out and changed the equation. Who?

Posted by: Locus Aqui at March 03, 2015 06:13 PM (+Y0h2)

812 Adjoran

You are wishing us good luck with Liz, Hilary, et al? Hilary or Liz will be your next president, too, unfortunately. And the GOP, which just sold us all out, tucked tail, and ran, is going to go right along with Hilary and or Liz. The GOP is nothing but a party of feckless wimps that carry water for the Obama administration. I do wish you luck in reforming the GOP so that those of us who have gone Galt can come back and help restore the country. Somehow, I doubt that will come to pass. You are certainly welcome to join those of us who want to build a new party. We will certainly need your help.

Posted by: Miss Completely Done at March 03, 2015 06:32 PM (2/oBD)

813 Can never vote dem. Ever. I have to be able to shave and NOT slit my throat.



I just won't vote.

Posted by: rickb223
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Hate to break it to you, but if you've been voting for republicans, you already have been voting dem.

Posted by: Beaver at March 03, 2015 06:46 PM (bSmIH)

814 I'd be willing to vote for the craziest Dems (Al Sharpton), but I could never register as one. What if my ancestors found the old registration records? They'd write me out of the family history.

What are those of us in seriously conservative areas to do? I don't want to vote against the guys who stood up to Boner.

Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at March 03, 2015 06:47 PM (Lp6I1)

815 But 3rd party is still just too crazy?

Posted by: Axe at March 03, 2015 06:49 PM (mg4bj)

816 What's Ross Perot doing lately?

Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at March 03, 2015 06:53 PM (Lp6I1)

817 Can we call for a special emergency mid-week Ace podcast? I'm gonna need some help getting through the week.

Posted by: MP at March 03, 2015 06:54 PM (GBGXb)

818 Republicans are never, ever, ever going to win a shutdown fight. This was no exception.



My $.02

Posted by: rockmom

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And morons like you constantly repeating democrat created talking points are going to do your best to make sure it's true, lol.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, I'm pretty sure the 2014 midterms show who won the last shutdown fight. But you keep carrying that water.

Posted by: Beaver at March 03, 2015 06:54 PM (bSmIH)

819
Dear Speaker Boehner,

FUCK YOU NO QUARTER.

Sincerely,

The Other Coyote

Posted by: the other coyote at March 03, 2015 07:03 PM (yK44T)

820 "You are certainly welcome to join those of us who want to build a new party. We will certainly need your help."

Not in my book. We already have enough "help" from people who sound just like him - they're why we're leaving.

Adjoran - keep playing at a table with a marked deck, genius. Keep pretending you're the smart one while you suck up for some more crumbs, sucka. I'm tired of his sneering BS. I've made the mistake of trying the respectful approach with him before. No more. He's on Team GOP, and he can stay there.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at March 03, 2015 07:25 PM (QKIQb)

821 Posted by: Jim at March 03, 2015 03:55 PM (golr6)



We live in a one-Party State. There is no longer any doubt. In a one-Party State, electoral and legislative politics are moot, with all that implies. There is no reason to even pretend that voting for either the Democrats or the DIABLO's makes any difference at all.

One-Party States have another characteristic. They don't have real elections. Either they are cancelled, or they are totally rigged. Anyone willing to argue that somehow we are the exception? If you do, show your work.

A third characteristic of one-Party States is that the Judiciary is corrupt or ignored. Ours is both. Obama already ignores court rulings it does not like, stalls on every judicial procedure, ignores subpoenas OR deliberately falsifies evidence and commits perjury either directly or through his underlings.

The judicial review you speak of is in only one District Court. Whose judge can find that he has a sudden health problem. It is a TEMPORARY restraining order, it is being appealed, and the case overall will have to go through the Circuit Court of Appeals and the Supreme Court and not be overturned by either of them based on what the Emperor wants. The rule of law is long gone.

And the case won't be heard until sometime after Crown Princess Malia takes over the regency for Emperor Buraq I in his dotage.

The final defining characteristic of one-Party States is how they are finally overturned. I will leave that for the reader to define.

Posted by: Subotai Bahadur at March 03, 2015 07:28 PM (G0RZy)

822 It's time the 167 conservative dissidents strike a deal with Pelosi, remove Boehner, and put Pelosi as speaker. She would have to deal with the majority, and besides, how could she be any worse?

best thing is, cut-throat Boehner disappears

Posted by: Dizzy at March 03, 2015 07:56 PM (pZaDr)

823 Your all gonna vote for Jeb Bush and you are going to like it.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 03, 2015 08:01 PM (NaeCR)

824 Who wrote this post? Jeff Goldstein of protein wisdom?

Nah, Ace vilified Jeff years ago for concluding the precise essence of what is now posted here.

Ace gonna take up wrestling soon?

Posted by: S at March 03, 2015 08:08 PM (Wy4SJ)

825 Ace needs to take a breath. The "strategy" of hoping things become catastrophically bad so there will be a revolution is not going to work. Americans are mostly apathetic about politics and are not going to stage a revolution.

If you want to make things better, pick and choose better individual candidates to work for. Or work to improve your community or your personal life.

This kind of "blow it all up" rant is just childish.

Posted by: sauropod at March 03, 2015 08:32 PM (tlO47)

826 This party has betrayed me for the last time.

I now don't mind if the big-money establishment-types get the candidate they want for 2016, because nothing would make me happier than to see the Bush whose turn it is now come in third.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at March 03, 2015 08:33 PM (5pg79)

827 Old Staleness: Politicians lying and finding out after they get elected.

New Hotness: Politicians lying BEFORE they get elected and knowing it well in advcance.

Clinton is the new hawtness - the slime, sleaze, lies and corruption are coming to DC and we know NOW... it's like the flies on horse s**t.


Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at March 03, 2015 08:50 PM (wT9UL)

828 " I saw something saying Senate Democrats were refusing to allow a
conference on the bill. I guess the rules allow that. I think the
Senate has to pass a resolution appointing conferees and the Democrats
were going to filibuster that.
Notice how all these big Obama wins happen because the Senate acted first. Same thing with Obamacare.



Our fight should not be with Boehner but with Mitch McConnell for allowing the Senate to pass the clean bill first."

YES! 1000+ points.

People are missing the real problem if they keep whining about Boehner.
The REAL problem is the GOP Senate! At least the House did the RIGHT THING ... oh 6 weeks ago!! The Senate under McConnell did .... NOTHING.

Nothing. Sen McConnell made only 4 pathetic attempts in Feb, all the while muttering he'd never shut down the government, and his crony amnesty GOP RINO pals whined publicly that they wished this wasnt happening.

THEN he said the House needed to do something. WTF?!? As in "I can't do my job so bail me out." Then he precaved again with his 'lets split the vote'...

oh, and HE DIDNT EVEN GET A VOTE ON AMNESTY. Reid blocked it.

Did McConnell hold firm? NO! HE CAVED TO 41 Democrats! He Let 41 Democrats dictate to him how to run the Senate!

When the 'clean bill' passed, McConnell not only held the vote - he CUT A DEAL WITH REID to prevent conservative GOPers from amending the bill.

Fancy that. HE. CUT. A. DEAL. The WHOLE POINT of the opposition to DHS amnesty program and *NO DEAL* to undercut it.

McConnell did it. To paraphrase the Godfather:

"Boehner? Boehner's a pimp. It was McConnell."

Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at March 03, 2015 08:56 PM (wT9UL)

829 I think maybe a lot of the ire directed at Boehner is because he's been Speaker for four years now, while McConnell's only been Majority Leader for a few weeks. We're more used to Boehner failing us, so blaming him is our natural first reaction at yet another fail accompli.

But, yes, I'm sure Turkey-Neck will be just as hated by the time President Lieawatha is sworn in.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at March 03, 2015 09:43 PM (5pg79)

830 18
Does the fact that 70% of Republicans voting against it but 100% of Democrats voting FOR Amnesty mean anything?"

Pleasantly surprised there are only 75 RINOs.

Horribly though in the Senate the ratio was higher, something like 23 RINOs and 31 stalwarts.

Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at March 03, 2015 11:00 PM (wT9UL)

831 I could never vote for a democRAT!
I will never again vote for a ReTHUGlican!

Posted by: George Smiley at March 04, 2015 12:23 AM (vUCDO)

832 What did you morons expect?

You start a fight you CAN NOT win and want to cry like little bitches when you lose?

You want to 'shut down' (that's how dimocrap scum would describe) Homeland Security when Terrorism is in the News EVERY SINGLE DAY?

No wonder we can never win. dims everywhere are laughing their asses off at the idiots we're stuck with....

"Close down DHS in the middle of the highest threat we've ever faced'

Freaking geniuses....

Posted by: Uncle Rick at March 04, 2015 08:14 AM (ZbB1q)

833 The highest threat we've ever faced currently works in the White House and is therefore off-limits to Homeland.

So, why not shut it down?

Posted by: McGehee at March 04, 2015 09:24 AM (LFkiM)

834 85% of DHS are deemed "essential", and so the only ones not showing up for work would be a few secretaries and maybe the janitor.

I guess Uncle Rick thinks the janitor getting a paid vacation (and a delayed paycheck) is more awful than our leaders using the constitution for ass wipe.

Posted by: lee at March 04, 2015 01:47 PM (LZFcA)

835 late found, AF Branco cartoon ::
http://tinyurl.com/omxlzq7

Posted by: SE Pa Lurker at March 05, 2015 10:49 AM (8U1V0)

836 RE: "I'm personally done with this party. In fact, I will vote for Democrats."
It just doesn't matter. Jim in comment #821 has is right: we now live in a one-party state.
1. All power resides in the Presidency.
2. The Democrats have sufficient MSM allies to select the GOP candidate that the Democrats can destroy.
3. The Democrats have enough illegal votes to assure that they will win all of the close elections.
4. The existing Democratic President will have enough power (e.g. spying on the opposition) to ensure that the next President is also a Democrat.

There will never be another conservative President.

Until the whole sham is destroyed, your vote doesn't count for anything. You may be able to influence a state or local election, but as more power condenses to the federal level, state and local government will not be able to resist the Feds. And the Presidency will control all aspects of the Federal government.

Posted by: kevino at March 09, 2015 12:31 PM (8AHyi)

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