Veterans/Armistice Day Morning News Dump

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1 Our asset forfeiture laws are bullshit. They turn cops into road pirates.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 11, 2014 09:27 AM (DrWcr)

2 internet service stinks. we really need the government to regulate it like they do with, oh... maybe veterans hospitals. yeah, that's it.

Posted by: mallfly at November 11, 2014 09:28 AM (zjcTL)

3 slight html glitch there, BenK

Posted by: mindful webworker at November 11, 2014 09:29 AM (cb/hk)

4 oops.

Posted by: jwpaine at November 11, 2014 09:30 AM (a3NCX)

5 You have the right to the internet!

Posted by: steevy at November 11, 2014 09:31 AM (v5UtH)

6 Yay! Dump!

Posted by: EC at November 11, 2014 09:31 AM (GQ8sn)

7 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 11, 2014 09:31 AM (kff5f)

8 Clearly we need knife,hatchet and axe control.

Posted by: steevy at November 11, 2014 09:32 AM (v5UtH)

9 Okay... before I collapse in a twitching fit:

You have NO RIGHT to something someone else must produce or provide.

Why is this concept hard?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 11, 2014 09:32 AM (kff5f)

10
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) says President Obama's attorney general nominee, Loretta Lynch, would probably be approved if Obama waits for the new Senate.

McCain said that the Senate should give some deference to Obama's choices. "I think elections have consequences and therefore you give his nominees the benefit of the doubt," McCain said. "It doesn't mean you're a rubber stamp. But I voted in favor of some of his nominees who I would have never submitted to the Senate but that's our job, advise and consent." McCain also stated, "This is a very outstanding young woman from everything I can tell."

TheHill

Ah -- The Get-a-Long Gang back to the usual. As comfortable as an old pair of slippers.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 11, 2014 09:33 AM (kdS6q)

11 Excellent roundup, Ben. I've already read most of this stuff; the Empty Integrity piece by book writin' dude Goldberg is really good.

The new proposed AG, wasshername, brags proudly about how much loot she's collected under civil forfeiture laws.

It's a law that really needs to die. Te SC may have said it's okay; that doesn't mean that Congress can't ban it for the most part.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 11, 2014 09:33 AM (TjHOJ)

12 Feds To Back Risky Home Loans Again

I see *no way* this could possibly go wrong.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 11, 2014 09:33 AM (kff5f)

13 12 Feds To Back Risky Home Loans Again

I see *no way* this could possibly go wrong.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 11, 2014 09:33 AM (kff5f)

There are absowutewy no pwoblwems at Fannie or Fweddy.

Posted by: Bawney Fwank at November 11, 2014 09:35 AM (DrWcr)

14 banning knives? The Guardian, May 27 '05:

A group of doctors today called on the government to ban long pointed kitchen knives in an effort to reduce the number and severity of stabbings.

Knives are the most common murder weapon in Britain, and three doctors from West Middlesex University hospital in London said their experience indicated that at least half of stabbing cases involved a kitchen knife.

Writing in the British Medical Journal, Emma Hern, Will Glazebrook and Mike Beckett said the use of dagger-type kitchen knives owed more to tradition than culinary necessity. The knives, they argued, could be banned without unduly inconveniencing cooks.

Posted by: mallfly at November 11, 2014 09:35 AM (zjcTL)

15 Didn't Jonah Goldberg write some kind of book? Progressive Totalitarianism or something like that?

Posted by: Insomniac at November 11, 2014 09:36 AM (DrWcr)

16 I didn't know you could seize a highway....

Did anyone see GWB's interview on the Today Show yesterday? Was it OK? (Yes, yes, we all have better things to do than watch the Today Show, but maybe someone was trapped in a waiting room somewhere so I thought I'd ask.)

Posted by: HR needs donuts at November 11, 2014 09:36 AM (ZKzrr)

17 10 >> ...but that's our job, advise and consent...

McCain, you lame brained idiot, what do you think the word 'consent' means? In your case, apparently it means BOHICA.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 11, 2014 09:36 AM (TjHOJ)

18 And the number of murders committed with guns is dwarfed by the number of deaths caused by automobiles.

We need to create a registry of all automobiles, and regulate and license their use, to prevent these senseless deaths.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 11, 2014 09:37 AM (Zu3d9)

19 Scott Walker on Immigration

Click here for 4 full quotes on Immigration
OR background on Immigration.
Endorses path to citizenship for immigrant workers. (Jul 2013)

Make it easier to enter the country legally. (Jul 2013)

2010: stop suspected illegals; 2012: that's a distraction. (Jul 2013)

Supports AZ's immigration law and no benefits for illegals. (Jul 2010)

Posted by: Vic at November 11, 2014 09:38 AM (u9gzs)

20 re 10: "The Get-a-Long Gang back to the usual. As comfortable as an old pair of slippers."

especially after you went out to get the newspaper and stepped in a dog turd. It seems to me that we'll be seeing a lot more of Johnny Mac now that the party he likes to claim he belongs to will be controlling the Senate again. I'd give 50/50 odds he'd object to Cruz being chairman of the Judiciary Committee.

Posted by: mallfly at November 11, 2014 09:40 AM (zjcTL)

21 Banning cooking knives in Britain? Better question, IS there cooking in Britain? Between puddings, pies, and boiled meat, doesn't seem like knives will be missed.

Posted by: Russkilitlover at November 11, 2014 09:41 AM (eeB0/)

22 Hey! That Cromwell fella stole my throne of skulls idea!

Not that there's anything wrong with that. There's enough skulls to go around, I'm sure.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Corrective Phrenologist at November 11, 2014 09:41 AM (naUcP)

23
In movie news:

Tobias Alistair Patrick "Toby" Kebbell recently revealed the new backstory for his character Doctor Doom in the Fantastic Four reboot. Speaking with Collider, Kebbell revealed:

"He's Victor Domashev, not Victor Von Doom in our story. And I'm sure I'll be sent to jail for telling you that. The Doom in a programmer. Very anti-social programmer. And on blogging sites I'm 'Doom'."

IO9

So the world's most dangerous villain is basically -- you.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 11, 2014 09:42 AM (kdS6q)

24 Knives Kill More People Than Rifles

I guess I'm missing the point.

Is the point simply to prove (yet again) that bans against "assault weapons" (with the thing that goes up) are misguided (at best)? If so... okay... that point has been made.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 11, 2014 09:42 AM (kff5f)

25 Police Departments and Courts both get a piece of the action when asserts are seized.

It's some serious money.

Houses, cars, boats, cash, etc.

*Ka-Ching!*

Posted by: eman at November 11, 2014 09:42 AM (MQEz6)

26 10 -

Nothing gives Mccane a stiffy more than doing reach arounds across the aisle, so he can effectively create an artificial majority for himself, and whatever group of moderates he drags along with him.

This is his time. It's Mcaine's government now.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 11, 2014 09:42 AM (Dj0WE)

27 What's next for the U.K.? Ban sticks and fists? Brickbats? Pillows?

Posted by: Mr. Dave at November 11, 2014 09:43 AM (tUBqu)

28 27 What's next for the U.K.? Ban sticks and fists? Brickbats? Pillows?
Posted by: Mr. Dave at November 11, 2014 09:43 AM (tUBqu)

Bananas. And pointed sticks.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 11, 2014 09:44 AM (DrWcr)

29 He's Victor Domashev, not Victor Von Doom in our story.

What the f*cking f*ck?

What the hell is wrong with just sticking to the source material? Have they learned *nothing* from the very successful Marvel movies?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 11, 2014 09:44 AM (kff5f)

30 We all know you hate the guy, Vic.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at November 11, 2014 09:44 AM (ZKzrr)

31 27 What's next for the U.K.? Ban sticks and fists? Brickbats? Pillows?
Posted by: Mr. Dave at November 11, 2014 09:43 AM (tUBqu)

Fresh fruit.

Posted by: rickl at November 11, 2014 09:45 AM (zoehZ)

32 1 Our asset forfeiture laws are bullshit. They turn cops into road pirates.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 11, 2014 09:27 AM (DrWcr)

The fifth amendment says that you can't seize assets without a Judicial hearing. Seizure laws were always bullshit.

...nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 09:45 AM (txvbW)

33 "we should be open to the possibility that winning may best be achieved by someone whose plans are dark and impenetrable as the night,"

Posted by: Jonathan Gruber at November 11, 2014 09:45 AM (Plx/u)

34 "Nothing gives Mccane a stiffy more than doing reach arounds across the aisle, so he can effectively create an artificial majority for himself, and whatever group of moderates he drags along with him."

Bastard stole all of my ideas! --- Arlen Specter

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 11, 2014 09:45 AM (l3vZN)

35 What's next for the U.K.? Ban sticks and fists? Brickbats? Pillows?

Dogs.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 11, 2014 09:45 AM (kff5f)

36 Senator MexCaine can't wait to fuck things up and get his ass licked on TV.

C'mon, Arizona, flush the old turd.

Posted by: eman at November 11, 2014 09:45 AM (MQEz6)

37 That new Fantastic Four is going to be even more craptacular than the one's they already made.

Posted by: steevy at November 11, 2014 09:46 AM (v5UtH)

38 9 Okay... before I collapse in a twitching fit:

You have NO RIGHT to something someone else must produce or provide.

Why is this concept hard?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 11, 2014 09:32 AM (kff5f)

What if "the Law" says you do? Doesn't Democracy trump everything?

You sound like one of those "natural rights" kooks.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 09:46 AM (txvbW)

39 Did Big Government really attack the wrong Loretta Lynch?

I don't want to take Rachel Madcow's word for it. Or, for, well, anything.

Posted by: Citizen X at November 11, 2014 09:47 AM (7ObY1)

40 What's next for the U.K.? Ban sticks and fists? Brickbats? Pillows?

Lee Rigby got hit with a car before they took his head off. Cars are working pretty good for jihadis in Israel as well, come to think of it.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at November 11, 2014 09:47 AM (ZKzrr)

41 What if "the Law" says you do? Doesn't Democracy trump everything?

Where is AtC? I need to borrow the Ravage...

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 11, 2014 09:48 AM (kff5f)

42 Ahem:

Badgers don't think to themselves, "I must crush all of my enemies so I can rule supreme as the emperor of the North Woods and have my choice of the finest badger sows to copulate with."

I'm sorry, you can't tell me Goldberg isn't at least a lurker here...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Corrective Phrenologist at November 11, 2014 09:48 AM (naUcP)

43 Asset forfeiture is one of my most rage twitchy issues. So many police departments rely on it for so much of their budgets that they're basically in the pirate business.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 11, 2014 09:49 AM (JtwS4)

44 Anyone see Interstellar? I saw it last night. I thought it was "meh" because I was expecting something different after watching the trailers.

There's a scene in it where a scientist describes the wormhole in the EXACT same manner as in "Event Horizon" with the pencil through the paper trick to show how to get from point A to point B. My son even noticed it.

And yes, it was loud. No joke. Nolan cranks up the sound to 11 in certain scenes. The rest of the movie is ok, but the scenes where the rocket is about to enter the wormhole and other scenes will leave you almost deaf.

Also....MATT DAMON!!! I don't think this is a spoiler since he's listed in the credits. I noticed that his name in the film is "Dr. Mann" and that he was famous for being a scientist who is later found out to be a douchebag and creates fraudulent data about a planet's climate and geology in order to trick other people. Where have we heard this before? Hmmmmm.....

And the ending reveal is a convenient deus ex machina that has been done before. You will recognize it if you've watched other sci-fi movies.

And the wormhole is the size of a....

...tangerine.

Posted by: EC at November 11, 2014 09:49 AM (GQ8sn)

45 Highway seizure in Iowa fuels debate about asset-forfeiture laws

Citizens should push for new laws that hold
cops personally liable for these kinds of seizures. Bankrupt a few of these assholes and this shit will stop.

Posted by: Vic at November 11, 2014 09:49 AM (u9gzs)

46 If you could just admit that the Presidency is really important to a lot of people, you might declare that a public utility too, and then the government could exercise some oversight over it. Guarantee equal access, prevent undue influence, and so on.

Write your congressman. And hold your breath.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 11, 2014 09:49 AM (xq1UY)

47 14 banning knives? The Guardian, May 27 '05:

A group of doctors today called on the government to ban long pointed kitchen knives in an effort to reduce the number and severity of stabbings.

Posted by: mallfly at November 11, 2014 09:35 AM (zjcTL)

Once again, Edmund Burke had this stuff figured out 200 years ago.

"The use of force alone is but temporary. It may subdue for a moment; but it does not remove the necessity of subduing again: and a nation is not governed, which is perpetually to be conquered.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 09:49 AM (txvbW)

48 The Get-a-Long Gang back to the usual.

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He won't even give you a reach around, John.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 11, 2014 09:50 AM (8MlTP)

49 Obama: "My friends, you have nothing to fear with Senator McCain in the Senate!"

Posted by: Hrothgar at November 11, 2014 09:50 AM (F2IAQ)

50 *small voice* I like the Fantastic Four movies. (Could be Ioan Griffiths but still...)

Posted by: Russkilitlover at November 11, 2014 09:50 AM (eeB0/)

51 What's next for the U.K.? Ban sticks and fists? Brickbats? Pillows?

Dogs.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 11, 2014 09:45 AM (kff5f)

Just as long as they don't ban the bangers!

Posted by: spypeach at November 11, 2014 09:50 AM (lsEZC)

52 "we should be open to the possibility that winning may best be achieved by someone whose plans are dark and impenetrable as the night"

Posted by: Jonathan Gruber at November 11, 2014 09:51 AM (Plx/u)

53 Ah, I was off doing work work (I know) and see that everyone is making the piracy comment.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 11, 2014 09:51 AM (JtwS4)

54 George Bush Still Lives Rent Free In Jon Stewart's Mind

So, according to ClownNose, Jimmah Carter is "pulling Guinea worms out of children's feet?"

Jimmah better stay away from THIS Guinea's feet. I'll kick him right in the labonza.

Posted by: Citizen X at November 11, 2014 09:51 AM (7ObY1)

55 A group of doctors today called on the government to ban long pointed kitchen knives in an effort to reduce the number and severity of stabbings.

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We need to ban windows, too. So people can't be pushed out.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 11, 2014 09:52 AM (8MlTP)

56 Ahhh, yes, good old asset forfeiture. Don't ask me how it's Constitutional because I have no clue. I'm trying to figure out how that was a good stop in any possible way. It sounds more like a training video in what not to do at a stop.

I see no possible way that the report abuse twitter mechanism could be gamed by someone such as, oh, let's pick someone at random, me. After all, I am a chick. It is within the realm of possibility that I would receive scorn and vituperation for being a chick. Oh. But said scorn and vituperation would be coming from the Left. I'm totes sure that would be treated the same. Totes.

Also screw it, I'm bored with fighting about 2016. *breaks out long knives* I think President Perry should replace VP Paul with Secretary of HHS Jindal. Anyone who says otherwise is RINO scum! *drops into fighting stance*

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at November 11, 2014 09:52 AM (mf5HN)

57 Jimmah better stay away from THIS Guinea's feet. I'll kick him right in the labonza.

Posted by: Citizen X at November 11, 2014 09:51 AM (7ObY1)

Labonza? Sounds like some kind of sports car.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 11, 2014 09:52 AM (DrWcr)

58 What if "the Law" says you do? Doesn't Democracy trump everything?

Stop right there.

"The Law" in the form of the Constitution was drafted specifically to thwart runaway majorities. It's the difference between our Revolution and the French (who never did learn that lesson).

And "natural rights" are what the whole thing is based upon. Without that foundation the whole structure crumbles inevitably.

Now...when a minority are using a "creative interpretation" of the Law to force their will on a majority, we have a problem. But that problem is best solved through existing mechanisms to resolve the matter through amendment, not through demagoguery and electoral tomfoolery.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Corrective Phrenologist at November 11, 2014 09:53 AM (naUcP)

59 If the people of the U.K. had beaten the killers of Rigby into what resembled an alpaca sack of strawberry jam, that shit would stop.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at November 11, 2014 09:53 AM (tUBqu)

60 Happy Veterans day to my fellow brothers and sisters in uniform

...even the Air Force ones I guess

Posted by: navycopjoe with the chicago education at November 11, 2014 09:53 AM (w7ptZ)

61 Masaad Ayoob had a good article on The Myth of Hierarchy of Lethality

http://tinyurl.com/l9pamfk

Posted by: McCool at November 11, 2014 09:53 AM (TQxRy)

62 We need to ban windows, too. So people can't be pushed out.
But it only happened twice!

Posted by: Prague at November 11, 2014 09:53 AM (Ld94a)

63 *drops into fighting stance*
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at November 11, 2014 09:52 AM (mf5HN)

Where'd she go?

Posted by: Insomniac at November 11, 2014 09:53 AM (DrWcr)

64 *drops into fighting stance*
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at November 11, 2014 09:52 AM (mf5HN)

Where'd she go?

Posted by: Insomniac at November 11, 2014 09:53 AM (DrWcr)

This is funny.

Posted by: EC at November 11, 2014 09:54 AM (GQ8sn)

65 Also screw it, I'm bored with fighting about 2016. *breaks out long knives* I think President Perry should replace VP Paul with Secretary of HHS Jindal. Anyone who says otherwise is RINO scum! *drops into fighting stance*
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now.

I bring greetings from Badger-Emperor Walker of the North. He wishes new additions to his Throne of Skulls. Do you perhaps have contributions to this worthy cause?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Corrective Phrenologist at November 11, 2014 09:54 AM (naUcP)

66
Reading that link about Governor Scott Walker..

I do like to see him sitting on a throne made of the skulls of his enemies - what a nice use of words to create a picture!

Go you good thing!!!! *rugby vernacular*

My animal link from Sydney, in a suburb close to me...

Snake gets stuck...

http://goo.gl/7Qc9k0

Posted by: aussie at November 11, 2014 09:54 AM (lOFeH)

67 56 I think President Perry should replace VP Pau

you misspelled President Palin and VP Cruz
but hey it's early, you need more coffee

(and seriously, WTF is up with the Browns?)

Posted by: navycopjoe with the chicago education at November 11, 2014 09:55 AM (w7ptZ)

68 Labonza? Sounds like some kind of sports car.

La pancia = the stomach (it's where we get the word "paunch")

Labonza is the Italish-American version.

Posted by: Citizen X at November 11, 2014 09:55 AM (7ObY1)

69 *drops into fighting stance*
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at November 11, 2014 09:52 AM (mf5HN)

Where'd she go?

Posted by: Insomniac at November 11, 2014 09:53 AM (DrWcr)

Be careful. She gets +5d6 on her sneak attack.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Corrective Phrenologist at November 11, 2014 09:55 AM (naUcP)

70 Also screw it, I'm bored with fighting about 2016. *breaks out long knives* I think President Perry should replace VP Paul with Secretary of HHS Jindal. Anyone who says otherwise is RINO scum! *drops into fighting stance*

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at November 11, 2014 09:52 AM (mf5HN)

That Libertarian isolationist wacko Paul can go suck an egg. It's VP Walker or death!!!

*readies kendo stick*

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Marginally Honorable Chairman at November 11, 2014 09:56 AM (da5Wo)

71 49 Obama: "My friendssss, you have nothing to fear with Senator McCain in the Senate!"
Posted by: Hrothgar at November 11, 2014 09:50 AM (F2IAQ)

Fixed.

Posted by: rickl at November 11, 2014 09:56 AM (zoehZ)

72 63 Where'd she go?

HA!!!!
so can I have your car when she reads this?

Posted by: navycopjoe with the chicago education at November 11, 2014 09:56 AM (w7ptZ)

73 Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at November 11, 2014 09:52 AM (mf5HN)

I'm fascinated by that transcript.

How about, "Officer, am I being detained or charged with a crime?"

"No, but I would like to _____ (fill in blank)"

"I am driving away. Good bye."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 11, 2014 09:56 AM (Zu3d9)

74 McCain also stated, "This is a very outstanding young woman from everything I can tell."
I just hate this shit. All the good feelings from last Tuesday are being incinerated with a white hot hate for bastards like this. We should be bending Obola over every chance we get. "No, you commie POS. No on everything until you approve Keystone XL, produce Lois Lerner's email, and..." I was going to say a bunch of other stuff. I gotta go recalibrate my rage meter. This is going to be a long 2 years.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at November 11, 2014 09:57 AM (5buP8)

75 Feds To Back Risky Home Loans Again

What's not to like?

Posted by: Shovel Ready Projects That Never Complete at November 11, 2014 09:58 AM (XzRw1)

76 And "natural rights" are what the whole thing is based upon. Without that foundation the whole structure crumbles inevitably.

Now...when a minority are using a "creative interpretation" of the Law to force their will on a majority, we have a problem. But that problem is best solved through existing mechanisms to resolve the matter through amendment, not through demagoguery and electoral tomfoolery.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Corrective Phrenologist at November 11, 2014 09:53 AM (naUcP)

I've been hammering the "natural rights" argument for awhile now. The legal foundation of the document which created this nation was "the laws of nature, and nature's God..." AKA "Natural rights."

More people need to be familiar with the concept of natural rights because this is the fundamental concept underpinning much of what we take for granted nowadays.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 09:58 AM (txvbW)

77 72 63 Where'd she go?

HA!!!!
so can I have your car when she reads this?
Posted by: navycopjoe with the chicago education at November 11, 2014 09:56 AM (w7ptZ)

No. Besides, the cost to ship it to Hawaii would probably be more than the value of the car itself.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 11, 2014 09:58 AM (DrWcr)

78 66 hey aussie, i'll be in Sydney for a week in Feb so can you do me a favor and kill those damn spiders before I get there pls

KINGS CROSS PART 2!!!!!!

Posted by: navycopjoe with the chicago education at November 11, 2014 09:58 AM (w7ptZ)

79 74
McCain also stated, "This is a very outstanding young woman from everything I can tell."

My shocked look o_o

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at November 11, 2014 09:59 AM (XzRw1)

80 Be careful. She gets +5d6 on her sneak attack.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Corrective Phrenologist at November 11, 2014 09:55 AM (naUcP)

Hmm. Good point.

*fires up weedwhacker*
*looks around nervously*

Posted by: Insomniac at November 11, 2014 09:59 AM (DrWcr)

81
Irish alcoholism nature reason for job rejection for Irish teacher in South Korea

Katie Mulrennan, from County Kerry, had applied for a teaching job in Seoul. Last week, she received a reply that said: "I am sorry to inform you that my client does not hire Irish people due to the alcoholism nature of your kind".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29929333

Well, hard to argue with that.....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 11, 2014 09:59 AM (kdS6q)

82 Last week, she received a reply that said: "I am sorry to inform you that my client does not hire Irish people due to the alcoholism nature of your kind".

Nobody tell BCochran!

Posted by: EC at November 11, 2014 10:00 AM (GQ8sn)

83 Who is responsible for choosing the clothing for President Obama-because surely he did not come up with the Mao jacket on his own? Is that one of Val Jarret's secret duties too- Wardrobe consultant?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2014 10:00 AM (QlprU)

84 Reading that link about Governor Scott Walker.. I do like to see him sitting on a throne made of the skulls of his enemies

Surrounded by bags of salt.....

Posted by: rickb223 at November 11, 2014 10:00 AM (4Ofi/)

85 When people discriminate against Irish people like that, based on outdated stereotypes, it makes me just want to get shitfaced and punch someone!

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 11, 2014 10:00 AM (2cS/G)

86 FHFA Director Mel Watt is a racist black communist from Charlotte. He is your worst nightmare.

Affirmative Action Yale law who thinks his shit does not stink. His wife is former CLT mayor Harvey Gantt's sister. She is pretty hot.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 11, 2014 10:01 AM (0FSuD)

87 56 >> Anyone who says otherwise is RINO scum! *drops into fighting stance*

Uh oh -- Someone's knees is in real danger.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 11, 2014 10:01 AM (TjHOJ)

88
56 alexthechick - Commence drinking now

Hi there and I commenced drinking long ago, although I should stop right new because work is a few hours away

Me, giving injection to unsuspecting patient *Sorry about the shaking hands, I have a condition*

Get rid of those long knives, they're bloody dangerous - just ask our Brit friends...

Posted by: aussie at November 11, 2014 10:01 AM (lOFeH)

89 Nobody tell BCochran!

Posted by: EC at November 11, 2014 10:00 AM (GQ8sn)

Hey, at least if I light myself on fire I have an excuse.

And yeah, "no irish allowed" and the like isn't new. *shrug* Whatever. Although, no one has ever offered me any damn reparations for the way my forefathers were treated.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Marginally Honorable Chairman at November 11, 2014 10:02 AM (da5Wo)

90 What the f*cking f*ck?

What the hell is wrong with just sticking to the source material? Have they learned *nothing* from the very successful Marvel movies?
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 11, 2014 09:44 AM (kff5f)

Um. Not to be too picky or anything, but I wouldn't exactly hold up Marvel as the Platonic ideal of sticking with canon.

Posted by: alexthechick - Who needs an invisibility cloak when you can just crouch at November 11, 2014 10:02 AM (mf5HN)

91 83 Who is responsible for choosing the clothing for President Obama-because surely he did not come up with the Mao jacket on his own? Is that one of Val Jarret's secret duties too- Wardrobe consultant?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2014 10:00 AM (QlprU)

******

I think that's a thing that started with Klin-toon. Bush 2 was prancing about in a light blue dress, IIRC. Probably a tradition our protocol officers need to stop.

But Bammy arriving with a mouthful of gum was his own special tradition.

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at November 11, 2014 10:02 AM (vgIRn)

92 >>>client does not hire Irish people due to the alcoholism nature of your kind"

Signed: Lu Kwan Johnson

Posted by: Mr. Dave at November 11, 2014 10:02 AM (tUBqu)

93 We're not big fans of long knives either.

Posted by: Sturmabteilung at November 11, 2014 10:03 AM (DrWcr)

94 83 uggggh, I hate to defend the JEF but not his choice
during APAC the leader of the host country picks it
its a standing joke
a few years ago when it was here they all wore aloha shirts

Posted by: navycopjoe with the chicago education at November 11, 2014 10:03 AM (w7ptZ)

95 re: the CNN tale.

Am I a bad, bad person for chuckling out loud?

heh.

(in full disclosure, I know a couple of those folks thru casual contacts. Couldn't happen to a better set of a**holes. Seriously. They're a**holes.)

Posted by: anon a mouse at November 11, 2014 10:03 AM (gXRIG)

96 Get rid of those long knives, they're bloody dangerous - just ask our Brit friends...

Relax, it's AtC. They're hatpins.

/shelters in surplus Dalek shell

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Corrective Phrenologist at November 11, 2014 10:03 AM (naUcP)

97 OK, Apparently the host of the summit offers all the guests a Mao shirt to promote unity.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2014 10:03 AM (QlprU)

98 And yeah, "no irish allowed" and the like isn't new. *shrug* Whatever. Although, no one has ever offered me any damn reparations for the way my forefathers were treated.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Marginally Honorable Chairman at November 11, 2014 10:02 AM (da5Wo)

Give me your address and I'll send you a sack of potatoes.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 11, 2014 10:03 AM (DrWcr)

99 *waves to aussie*

And yeah, "no irish allowed" and the like isn't new. *shrug* Whatever. Although, no one has ever offered me any damn reparations for the way my forefathers were treated.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Marginally Honorable Chairman at November 11, 2014 10:02 AM (da5Wo)

*shoves potatoes through USB port for you*

Problem. Solved.

Posted by: alexthechick - Who needs an invisibility cloak when you can just crouch at November 11, 2014 10:04 AM (mf5HN)

100 Not to be too picky or anything, but I wouldn't exactly hold up Marvel as the Platonic ideal of sticking with canon.

Errr... where (recently) have they failed?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 11, 2014 10:05 AM (kff5f)

101 Posted by: aussie at November 11, 2014 10:01 AM (lOFeH)

I mentioned this yesterday but I think you left before you saw it.

I just watched a wonderful Australian comedy called "Danny Deckchair." I have to say, if that movie is representative of your townfolk you Aussies are quite charming.

Of course the cut throat Aussies in "Road Warrior" are also to my liking.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 10:05 AM (txvbW)

102 *shoves potatoes through USB port for you*

Problem. Solved.

Ooh! Raw materials for making vodka!

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Corrective Phrenologist at November 11, 2014 10:05 AM (naUcP)

103 From the article linked "Empty Integrity":

"Facebook pages, blog posts, chat rooms, and other algae plumes of the digital ocean expressed outrage and hatred..."

Oh, to have penned that bit of prose.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 11, 2014 10:06 AM (l1zOH)

104 Um. Not to be too picky or anything, but I wouldn't exactly hold up Marvel as the Platonic ideal of sticking with canon.

Posted by: alexthechick - Who needs an invisibility cloak when you can just crouch at November 11, 2014 10:02 AM (mf5HN)

More importantly, HERE MARVEL TAKE ALL MY FUCKING MONEY!!! JUST TAKE THE WALLET!!!

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Marginally Honorable Chairman at November 11, 2014 10:06 AM (da5Wo)

105 I've somehow gone my whole life without seeing Olivier's Richard III.

Just got the Criterion edition from Amazon so I'm going to rectify that this weekend.

Fun fact:

The film features performances by no less than FIVE knighted thespians: Olivier as Richard, John Gielgud as Clarence, Ralph Richardson as Buckingham, Cedric Hardwicke as Edward IV and Stanley Baker as the Earl of Richmond.

That's got to be some kind of record.

Posted by: Citizen X at November 11, 2014 10:07 AM (7ObY1)

106
78 navycopjoe

Hi there, and oh my goodness... you're here in Sydney in February

*Must call the coppers to watch out for American on the loose*

Seriously let me know if you have a spare minute or three to meet up ..

Posted by: aussie at November 11, 2014 10:07 AM (lOFeH)

107
That Libertarian isolationist wacko Paul can go suck an egg. It's VP Walker or death!!!

*readies kendo stick*

I come with only peace and love. And Bushmills. And Irish blood.

*begins random pummelling*

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 11, 2014 10:07 AM (JtwS4)

108 Errr... where (recently) have they failed?
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 11, 2014 10:05 AM (kff5f)

Oh I don't know, pick pretty much any storyline over the last 50 years, then decide you want to do another story line and just retcon the crap out of that other story line you just did. Canon schmanon, bring EVVVEERRRYYYOONNNEE back from the dead.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a Marvel girl, but internal consistency in the Marvelverse isn't really a thing that Marvel does.

Posted by: alexthechick - Who needs an invisibility cloak when you can just crouch at November 11, 2014 10:08 AM (mf5HN)

109 Seriously let me know if you have a spare minute or three to meet up ..

Posted by: aussie at November 11, 2014 10:07 AM (lOFeH)

You don't have any dogs, do you?

Posted by: EC at November 11, 2014 10:08 AM (GQ8sn)

110 Thomas Sowell writes about the loading of cotton bales onto barges along the Mississippi (and other rivers). It was such dangerous work that the plantation owners would not use slaves, but rather they would hire Irish day laborers, because their injuries and deaths were much less costly.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 11, 2014 10:08 AM (Zu3d9)

111
Ironic that the dump would reference a Cooke article referencing Natural Rights while also citing law enforcement seizing assets without a trial.

Natural Rights are gone. Rights are now what's given by Authority ... and the Left and Right approve.

The shit will not stop until people start throwing down.

Posted by: ScoggDog at November 11, 2014 10:08 AM (PFjNT)

112 Give me your address and I'll send you a sack of potatoes.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 11, 2014 10:03 AM (DrWcr)

.....I will find you..and I will kill you....

*shoves potatoes through USB port for you*

Problem. Solved.

Posted by: alexthechick - Who needs an invisibility cloak when you can just crouch at November 11, 2014 10:04 AM (mf5HN)

Did you need the Awesome Stepstool of Awesomeness to reach it? Or did you go with the ladder?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Marginally Honorable Chairman at November 11, 2014 10:09 AM (da5Wo)

113 Fun fact:

The film features performances by no less than FIVE knighted thespians: Olivier as Richard, John Gielgud as Clarence, Ralph Richardson as Buckingham, Cedric Hardwicke as Edward IV and Stanley Baker as the Earl of Richmond.

That's got to be some kind of record.
Posted by: Citizen X at November 11, 2014 10:07 AM (7ObY1)

*********

Why the Queen insist on knighting actors and pop singers is beyond me. Surely there are some doctors, teachers, construction managers, hell, even bus drivers who have contributed more to society.

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at November 11, 2014 10:09 AM (vgIRn)

114
Not to be too picky or anything, but I wouldn't exactly hold up Marvel as the Platonic ideal of sticking with canon.

Errr... where (recently) have they failed?

Yoo hoo!

Posted by: Civil War at November 11, 2014 10:09 AM (JtwS4)

115 That gorgeous Fox News host finally got my name right.

Posted by: Mike Fuckabee at November 11, 2014 10:09 AM (+4uXG)

116 Open Enrollment time at the wife's company. Health Insurance Premiums are increasing 60%. Thanks Obama. Now our insurance for our healthy family is a Mercedes S600 AMG Payment.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Aiming His Torpedo at November 11, 2014 10:10 AM (32Ze2)

117 That's great, no one drinks harder than the Koreans.

Posted by: Jean at November 11, 2014 10:10 AM (jHngC)

118 Why the Queen insist on knighting actors and pop singers is beyond me. Surely there are some doctors, teachers, construction managers, hell, even bus drivers who have contributed more to society.

The Queen must've been "in a giving vein"

Unlike Humpback Dick, LOL

Posted by: Citizen X at November 11, 2014 10:10 AM (7ObY1)

119 Yoo hoo!
Posted by: Civil War

How you doin'?

Posted by: One More Day at November 11, 2014 10:10 AM (naUcP)

120 106 will do
i'll have the missus with me so i'll have to dial down the king's cross visit from a 10 to maybe a 6

I might even tell her the story on my aussie tattoo
(involves a midget stripper....yeah)

Posted by: navycopjoe with the chicago education at November 11, 2014 10:10 AM (w7ptZ)

121
99 ATC

*Waves back but carefully not spilling drinkies*

Posted by: aussie at November 11, 2014 10:11 AM (lOFeH)

122 Good photo of SJWs in Ferguson.

http://tinyurl.com/nh4jram

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 11, 2014 10:11 AM (8MlTP)

123 Interesting... Google actually has a Veterans Day version of their logo on the search page today.

Posted by: jwpaine at November 11, 2014 10:11 AM (a3NCX)

124 "Rights are now what's given by Authority"

What is legal is required, what is not required is not legal. Get it right, peons.

Posted by: anon a mouse at November 11, 2014 10:11 AM (gXRIG)

125 Fun fact:

The film features performances by no less than FIVE knighted thespians: Olivier as Richard, John Gielgud as Clarence, Ralph Richardson as Buckingham, Cedric Hardwicke as Edward IV and Stanley Baker as the Earl of Richmond.

That's got to be some kind of record.
Posted by: Citizen X at November 11, 2014 10:07 AM (7ObY1)

****

How many were straight?

Posted by: The Progs at November 11, 2014 10:11 AM (iQIUe)

126 Comic canon is ever changing but some things are beyond the pale.

Posted by: steevy at November 11, 2014 10:12 AM (v5UtH)

127 Posted by: Truck Monkey, Aiming His Torpedo at November 11, 2014 10:10 AM (32Ze2)

Don't forget the company's contribution.

It is fcuking outrageous. And incomprehensible.

Imagine sending one of your customers a bill that reads like a health insurance invoice.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 11, 2014 10:12 AM (Zu3d9)

128 How many were straight?
Posted by: The Progs at November 11, 2014 10:11 AM (iQIUe)

I think that just depended on the day of the week.

Posted by: British Manhood at November 11, 2014 10:12 AM (vgIRn)

129 How many were straight?

Posted by: The Progs at November 11, 2014 10:11 AM (iQIUe)

So, so deep in the closet.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Marginally Honorable Chairman at November 11, 2014 10:13 AM (da5Wo)

130
Posted by: British Manhood

And what is British naval tradition but rum, sodomy, and the lash.

Posted by: Winston Churchill at November 11, 2014 10:14 AM (JtwS4)

131 Interesting thing is that legal gambling places actually report winnings to the IRS. If the gamblers who were "detained" and had their money seized as drug money wander into court with the report from the IRS on gambling winnings, they may well be able to show that there was no drug trafficking because all income sources can be demonstrated.

Pro-tip for weekend gamblers, always report winnings, otherwise the IRS will show up within a couple of years asking for a cut, and penalties and interest.
Then they report to any state taxing authority and the state will try to do the same thing.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 11, 2014 10:14 AM (t//F+)

132 117 That's great, no one drinks harder than the Koreans

you've never gone out drinking with pollocks I see

Posted by: navycopjoe with the chicago education at November 11, 2014 10:14 AM (w7ptZ)

133 Posted by: BCochran1981 - Marginally Honorable Chairman at November 11, 2014 10:13 AM (da5Wo)

What? They were Irish?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 11, 2014 10:15 AM (Zu3d9)

134 128 How many were straight?
Posted by: The Progs at November 11, 2014 10:11 AM (iQIUe)

I think that just depended on the day of the week.

Posted by: British Manhood at November 11, 2014 10:12 AM (vgIRn)

There really seems to be something wrong with England. Ever so often I am once again shocked to learn that some famous Englishman prefers buggering boys.

I keep saying German Secret weapon or something.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 10:15 AM (txvbW)

135 130 And what is British naval tradition but rum, sodomy, and the lash.

black shoes call that a successful liberty port

Posted by: navycopjoe with the chicago education at November 11, 2014 10:16 AM (w7ptZ)

136 you've never gone out drinking with pollocks I see

Posted by: navycopjoe with the chicago education at November 11, 2014 10:14 AM (w7ptZ)

One of my teammates in college, my drinking buddy, was half Irish half Cuban.

I'm lucky to be alive.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Marginally Honorable Chairman at November 11, 2014 10:16 AM (da5Wo)

137

Herbert Hoover was supposed to have had a problem getting along with his Republican colleages in the house and senate. He was advised by someone close to him to have some of the leaders over for a series of dinners, in a rotating style to have contact with the important ones who then would have a basis for supporting him and providing him with what they needed and wanted to do.
Hoover was reported to have replied, "But that would mean I would have to speak with them"
Hoover was an admirable man, an able administrator and was a terrible president.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 11, 2014 10:16 AM (t//F+)

138 122 Good photo of SJWs in Ferguson.

http://tinyurl.com/nh4jram
Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 11, 2014 10:11 AM (8MlTP)

There are even better photos of them acting like assholes. Threatening assholes. And they have the nerve to say the cops are the ones who incite violence.

All thes people are spewing the party line. They will lie about anything. They are now fighting among themselves. They are physically violent people. A couple of white women have been slapped around but like good little soldiers they sucked it up. Then there was the white kid beat in the church with the white reverand grabbing his phone and erasing any evidence. Now, she is telling eveyrone to shut up about it. Then there are the thugs who beat up the kid who are now threatening the woman -- the one woman who has complained about it and demanded they go away.

Posted by: The Progs at November 11, 2014 10:17 AM (iQIUe)

139 136 my drinking buddy, was half Irish half Cuban.

whoa
bet you have some interesting 151 hell stories

Posted by: navycopjoe with the chicago education at November 11, 2014 10:17 AM (w7ptZ)

140 117 That's great, no one drinks harder than the Koreans

As P.J. O'Rourke wrote in his classic book Holidays in Hell:

(Koreans) don't like anyone who isn't Korean, and they don't like each other all that much, either. They're hardheaded, hard-drinking, tough little bastards, "the Irish of Asia".

Posted by: Citizen X at November 11, 2014 10:18 AM (7ObY1)

141 you've never gone out drinking with pollocks I see
Posted by: navycopjoe with the chicago education at November 11, 2014 10:14 AM (w7ptZ)

Can't stand drinking with Pollocks. They dribble all over the place. Until they splatter.

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at November 11, 2014 10:18 AM (vgIRn)

142 whoa
bet you have some interesting 151 hell stories
Posted by: navycopjoe with the chicago education at November 11, 2014 10:17 AM (w7ptZ)

Our drink of choice was 100proof vodka. Pretty much straight out the bottle.

Good times good times.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Marginally Honorable Chairman at November 11, 2014 10:18 AM (da5Wo)

143 The Fed and the administration have for several years stated the goal of reviving the economy, and have been making actions to re-inflate the housing bubble as the preferred means of doing it.
Apparently they are either stupid, incompetent, thieves, or they determined that not enough people were hurt in the last collapse.
Granted, they may be hoping that home loan bubble popping will somehow prevent the commercial property loan bubble from popping and hurting people they actually care about.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 11, 2014 10:19 AM (t//F+)

144
And what is British naval tradition but rum, sodomy, and the lash.

Posted by: Winston Churchill at November 11, 2014 10:14 AM (JtwS4)

This sort of thing may be tolerated by the French--but we are British, thank God.

--Bernard Law Montgomery, 1st Viscount Montgomery Of Alamein--

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 10:19 AM (txvbW)

145 "...pollocks..."

Posted by: navycopjoe with the chicago education at November 11, 2014 10:14 AM (w7ptZ)

??????

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 11, 2014 10:19 AM (Zu3d9)

146
And before I forget ... the stop and seizures were performed because ...

The War on Drugs. Supported widely by the Morals Police on the Political Right.

Unintended Consequences. Not just a Left Wing Thing.

Posted by: ScoggDog at November 11, 2014 10:20 AM (PFjNT)

147
Being Irish, I am a Certified Drinking Professional.

The only group I've not been able to keep up with is Russians. I was at a business dinner with so many toasts (vodka shot for each) that I had to start faking the shot and tossing it into a plant.

It takes industrial strength liver to outdrink me, but it has been done by Russkies.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 11, 2014 10:20 AM (JtwS4)

148 Anybody seen Interstellar? Worth $10?

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at November 11, 2014 10:20 AM (R5UOB)

149 Anybody seen Interstellar? Worth $10?

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at November 11, 2014 10:20 AM (R5UOB)

150 Is that one of Val Jarret's secret duties too- Wardrobe consultant?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2014 10:00 AM (QlprU)

***********************
Hey, that's my job!

Posted by: Anita Dunn at November 11, 2014 10:20 AM (5f5bM)

151
I've somehow gone my whole life without seeing Olivier's Richard III. Just got the Criterion edition from Amazon so I'm going to rectify that this weekend.
Posted by: Citizen X

Excellent movie. Frankly, better than his Henry V, I thought.

Along the same lines, the little know Tower of London (1939) with Basil Rathbone doing a great turn as Dick^3. Also has Boris Karloff as his brutal torturer Mord and Vincent Prince in a great fey performance as Clarance.

http://www.tcm.com/this-month/article/161101|0/Tower-of-London.html

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 11, 2014 10:20 AM (kdS6q)

152 Important enough to ask twice.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at November 11, 2014 10:20 AM (R5UOB)

153 @123

Re Google. Pic as ONE white male, one black female, one white female saluting is in front and one Latino.

So we can deduct that 40% our military are women, 20% are Black and 20% are Latino and 20% are white

Not EXACTLY correct. http://tinyurl.com/cqomcye

There is no PC at Google, none!

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 11, 2014 10:20 AM (0FSuD)

154 Anybody seen Interstellar? Worth $10?

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at November 11, 2014 10:20 AM (R5UOB)

See my review above.

Posted by: EC at November 11, 2014 10:21 AM (GQ8sn)

155 Don't forget the company's contribution.

It is fcuking outrageous. And incomprehensible.

Imagine sending one of your customers a bill that reads like a health insurance invoice.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 11, 2014 10:12 AM (Zu3d9)

Part of my old job involved attempting to interpret medical bills.

That was fun and did not ever lead one to want to drink.

Posted by: alexthechick - Who needs an invisibility cloak when you can just crouch at November 11, 2014 10:21 AM (mf5HN)

156 (Koreans) don't like anyone who isn't Korean, and they don't like each other all that much, either. They're hardheaded, hard-drinking, tough little bastards, "the Irish of Asia".
Posted by: Citizen X at November 11, 2014 10:18 AM (7ObY1)
--
I saw some epic drunk fights in the tonier sections of Seoul. Two dudes started bashing each other outside an ironmonger's shop and it quite literally became "hammer and tongs".

Posted by: All Hail Eris at November 11, 2014 10:22 AM (QBm1P)

157
"...pollocks..."

Posted by: navycopjoe with the chicago education at November 11, 2014 10:14 AM (w7ptZ)

??????

He means Polaks. Pollock are fish.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 11, 2014 10:22 AM (JtwS4)

158 It;s just as well. Imagine a bunch of little Korean kids who sound like leprechauns.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at November 11, 2014 10:22 AM (5f5bM)

159 It takes industrial strength liver to outdrink me, but it has been done by Russkies.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 11, 2014 10:20 AM (JtwS4)

Eat a stick of butter before you go drinking with them....that's what they do (or at least used to do...).

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 11, 2014 10:22 AM (Zu3d9)

160 Don't get me wrong, I'm a Marvel girl, but internal consistency in the Marvelverse isn't really a thing that Marvel does.

Oh. That.

The difference is that there *are* certain constants in the Marvel Universe. When they change those, it's either some major (and temporary) event (like Peter Parker being replaced as Spider-Man), or the culmination of some larger story line (and also- a major and temporary event).

DC does exactly the same thing- except they call all their "non-canon" titles "Earth 2" (I think).

So the Iron Man movies all "followed cannon" in that the setups followed real comic story lines (though I'm still ticked that they pulled a fake Mandarin into IM3). Winter Soldier was freaking awesome.

Changing Victor von Doom into some internet troll? No. Not okay.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 11, 2014 10:22 AM (kff5f)

161 My deepest respects to all those that served and all those that provided aid and comfort to those that served.

Posted by: GMB - Tyrant 2nd Class and US Army Vet at November 11, 2014 10:22 AM (C8x6r)

162 I can not over-emphasize the value of reading the linked-to article "Empty Integrity". It isn't that any great lesson will be learned there, it's just that it insightfully articulates our current situation.

The money quote:
It’s impossible to predict what Integrity 2.0 will yield — because no society in the history of Western civilization has so energetically and deliberately torn down its classical ideal and replaced it with do-it-yourself morality. But a betting man would probably wager that this won’t end well.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 11, 2014 10:22 AM (l1zOH)

163
The War on Drugs. Supported widely by the Morals Police on the Political Right.

Unintended Consequences. Not just a Left Wing Thing.

Posted by: ScoggDog at November 11, 2014 10:20 AM (PFjNT)

The War on Drugs is necessary. Yes it's being abused, and those abuses need to be addressed, but Drugs are a greater threat. If you want to see what happens when a nation doesn't have a war on drugs, look at China.

Drugs destroyed China.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 10:23 AM (txvbW)

164 145 polish

once in the gulf we had a squad of polish seals onboard for MIO ops

went out drinking with them in Bahrain
holy hell....just holy hell

I've drank with sailors from all over the planet, these clowns are the energizer bunnies of boozehags

Posted by: navycopjoe with the chicago education at November 11, 2014 10:23 AM (w7ptZ)

165 149
Anybody seen Interstellar? Worth $10?

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at November 11, 2014 10:20 AM (R5UOB)

I miss the days back in 1998 when movies were 10$ in NYC. Haven't seen it yet, but I am also interested in hearing how it was.

Posted by: Heralder at November 11, 2014 10:23 AM (/Mxso)

166 Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 11, 2014 10:20 AM (kdS6q)

Thanks! I loved Henry V so now I'm really looking forward to Richard III!

Posted by: Citizen X at November 11, 2014 10:23 AM (7ObY1)

167 Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 11, 2014 10:22 AM (JtwS4)

So they drink like fish?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 11, 2014 10:23 AM (Zu3d9)

168
Imagine a bunch of little Korean kids who sound like leprechauns.
Posted by: Caesar North

Lucky Charms with garlic and red chili paste...

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 11, 2014 10:23 AM (kdS6q)

169 AtC:
I see no possible way that the report abuse twitter mechanism could be
gamed by someone such as, oh, let's pick someone at random, me.

Oh you could totally be trusted not to abuse any tool available.

http://cheezburger.com/8373295360

Posted by: DaveA at November 11, 2014 10:24 AM (DL2i+)

170 Never Mind the Pollocks, Here's the Sex Pistols!

Posted by: Citizen X at November 11, 2014 10:24 AM (7ObY1)

171 Lucky Charms with garlic and red chili paste...

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 11, 2014 10:23 AM (kdS6q)

They're magically derishush?

Posted by: EC at November 11, 2014 10:24 AM (GQ8sn)

172 Eat a stick of butter before you go drinking with them....that's what they do (or at least used to do...).

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 11, 2014 10:22 AM (Zu3d9)

************************
I think Patton had his staff drink buttermilk.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at November 11, 2014 10:24 AM (5f5bM)

173 116 Open Enrollment time at the wife's company. Health Insurance Premiums are increasing 60%. Thanks Obama. Now our insurance for our healthy family is a Mercedes S600 AMG Payment.

My company is switching plans. We were looking at +50% premium increase. Now it's ONLY going up 28%. But here's the best part: I'm in a holding pattern for low back surgery. We have almost met our (ridiculous) deductible, and as of Dec.1, everything resets. And I have no idea as of now the details of the new plan. Fucking progs.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at November 11, 2014 10:24 AM (5buP8)

174 There is no PC at Google, none!
Posted by: Nip
---------------
STOP using Google. They are evil.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 11, 2014 10:24 AM (l1zOH)

175 I'm fascinated by that transcript.

How about, "Officer, am I being detained or charged with a crime?"

"No, but I would like to _____ (fill in blank)"

"I am driving away. Good bye."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 11, 2014 09:56 AM (Zu3d9)
*Taking notes here.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at November 11, 2014 10:25 AM (4IzCi)

176 157 He means Polaks. Pollock are fish

hold up
I thought pollacks were the fish

pls refer to the Chicago education in my nick
(plus I already started drinking Sapporo at 5am)

Posted by: navycopjoe with the chicago education at November 11, 2014 10:25 AM (w7ptZ)

177 EC - thanks. Sounds like it's one to wait for on Netflix / Amazon. I'll use the $20 to take the wife out for a burger.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at November 11, 2014 10:25 AM (R5UOB)

178 How many were straight?

There seems to be some suggestion that Olivier was gay but it never was proved and he was certainly married enough for that not to be likely. John Gielgud probably was gay although he didn't feel the need to announce it. Ralph Richardson was probably gay too, but Cedric Hardwicke and Stalney were both married--Baker for a very long time.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2014 10:27 AM (QlprU)

179 plus I already started drinking Sapporo at 5am)
Posted by: navycopjoe with the chicago education at November 11, 2014 10:25 AM (w7ptZ)

*********
I salute you, sir.

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at November 11, 2014 10:27 AM (vgIRn)

180 I miss the days back in 1998 when movies were 10$ in NYC. Haven't seen it yet, but I am also interested in hearing how it was.

Posted by: Heralder at November 11, 2014 10:23 AM (/Mxso)

Mini review above.

It's not a bad film, just some things recycled from past scifi movies, good FX shots especially the ones depicting travelling through the wormhole and the [spoilers].

Posted by: EC at November 11, 2014 10:27 AM (GQ8sn)

181 175 "I am driving away. Good bye."

BANG BANG BANG
LAPD multiply the bangs by 5 of course

Posted by: navycopjoe with the chicago education at November 11, 2014 10:27 AM (w7ptZ)

182 Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at November 11, 2014 10:24 AM (5buP

Same thing for me, company switching plans. They're contributing more this year to mitigate the increase, but only this year, so we're looking at 30% this year and 30% next year probably. It's great though, since I get the same healthcare and have so.much.money. to burn!!1

Posted by: Heralder at November 11, 2014 10:27 AM (/Mxso)

183 UK Knife rules and regs

http://tinyurl.com/m88uwp3

Posted by: RWC - he who likes guns and boobehs and has a goatee at November 11, 2014 10:28 AM (fWAjv)

184 LAPD multiply the bangs by 5 of course
Posted by: navycopjoe
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Hardest hit - Innocent bystanders

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 11, 2014 10:29 AM (l1zOH)

185
10 Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) says President Obama's attorney general nominee, Loretta Lynch, would probably be approved if Obama waits for the new Senate. McCain said that the Senate should give some deference to Obama's choices. "I think elections have consequences and therefore you give his nominees the benefit of the doubt," McCain said. "It doesn't mean you're a rubber stamp. But I voted in favor of some of his nominees who I would have never submitted to the Senate but that's our job, advise and consent." McCain also stated, "This is a very outstanding young woman from everything I can tell."TheHillAh -- The Get-a-Long Gang back to the usual. As comfortable as an old pair of slippers.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 11, 2014 09:33 AM (kdS6q)

This is why I think we wind up being screwed short term without the filibuster on judicial nominees. Yeah in theory we should still be able to stop them since we have over 50 senators. But when you have this backstabbing shit head around and a few other "Bi-partisanship Always!!!!!" GOP senators, it won't be hard for Obama to have 51 to confirm his far left loon picks.

Of course I think we're screwed long term if the filibuster is put back because that would hold up picks if we end up with a GOP President.

Basically we're just royally fucked with guys like McCain.

Posted by: buzzion at November 11, 2014 10:29 AM (zt+N6)

186 Never was "proven". Sorry.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 11, 2014 10:29 AM (QlprU)

187 Thanks EC! I was considering this in the theater because of the visuals mostly. Were they as good as expected?

Posted by: Heralder at November 11, 2014 10:29 AM (/Mxso)

188 "Former Obamacare navigator and terrorist guilty of immigration fraud"

Well, if that story doesn't sum up life under Obama, I don't know what does.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 11, 2014 10:30 AM (ABcz/)

189 Re: the story about Obama's isolation from even Democratic senators.
Where did the meme of his likability come from? The man clearly doesn't like people. The only person he likes is himself. He is egotistical, vain and a profoundly pompous ass. There is no way anybody could find the man likeable.
So where did that meme come from? Did somebody lie?

On another topic. I can't see the Brits banning knives--that would inconvenience British Jihadis wouldn't it?

Posted by: Northernlurker at November 11, 2014 10:30 AM (AkoL+)

190
Drugs ... greater threat than government seizure of property ? Greater threat than Constitutional transgression ?

Like I've said ... and will continue to say ... many of you Love Liberty Sexually, right up until you don't. D-Lamp, the road to Hell is paved with good intentions. And you are Exhibit A why C.S. Lewis feared the omnipotent moral busybodies more than the robber baron.

There's not nearly as much room between you and the Progressives as you'd like to think.

Posted by: ScoggDog at November 11, 2014 10:30 AM (PFjNT)

191 That's great, no one drinks harder than the Koreans

you've never gone out drinking with pollocks I see
Posted by: navycopjoe

Drinking, or topping off the antifreeze?

Posted by: rickb223 at November 11, 2014 10:30 AM (4Ofi/)

192 !!!!!!!
so baby medusa is up, comes over "can I have a sip" GLUG
"i'm going back to bed"

just like mom but mom would have drained the bottle

Posted by: navycopjoe with the chicago education at November 11, 2014 10:31 AM (w7ptZ)

193 On another topic. I can't see the Brits banning knives--that would inconvenience British Jihadis wouldn't it?

Posted by: Northernlurker at November 11, 2014 10:30 AM (AkoL+)

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Makes the beheadings a lot more work.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at November 11, 2014 10:32 AM (5f5bM)

194
There is no PC at Google, none!

Posted by: Nip

You know, Nip Sip, you missed out on the worst part. Two of those servicemembers are GAY. Can you believe that bullshit?

Google thinks that 40% of the US military is gay!! WTF?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 11, 2014 10:32 AM (Rz4ly)

195 My part of health insurance premiums have more than doubled while my high deductables have gone up.

Posted by: Vic at November 11, 2014 10:33 AM (u9gzs)

196 194 Google thinks that 40% of the US military is gay!! WTF?

no shit, the Air Force doesn't have that many members

Posted by: navycopjoe with the chicago education at November 11, 2014 10:34 AM (w7ptZ)

197 Thanks EC! I was considering this in the theater because of the visuals mostly. Were they as good as expected?

Posted by: Heralder at November 11, 2014 10:29 AM (/Mxso)

Yes. Visually, the movie is excellent. No one really knows what the inside of a wormhole looks like or sounds like but I thought Nolan did a good job with it. Kinda like the 2001 FX shot where Bowman gets taken by the Monolith.

The robots in the movie were freaky. It was jarring to hear the voice actors with the robots that look like something out of Minecraft. The TARS robot sounds exactly like a local DJ with all the smart-alec jokes. I could never get over that.

The science behind the movie, according the NdGT is excellent. They show all the space stuff done correctly, including their explanation of relativity and what strong gravity fields do to time.

Posted by: EC at November 11, 2014 10:34 AM (GQ8sn)

198 You know, Nip Sip, you missed out on the worst part. Two of those servicemembers are GAY. Can you believe that bullshit?

Okay the sailor for sure. But which other one?

Posted by: blaster at November 11, 2014 10:34 AM (Rx8ML)

199 Google thinks that 40% of the US military is gay!! WTF?

It's not gay if you're underway!

Posted by: Insomniac at November 11, 2014 10:35 AM (DrWcr)

200 Two of those servicemembers are GAY. Can you believe that bullshit?

************************

They say the Navy makes men. They sure made me!

Posted by: Bunny Wigglesworth at November 11, 2014 10:35 AM (5f5bM)

201 Oh. That.

The difference is that there *are* certain constants in the Marvel Universe. When they change those, it's either some major (and temporary) event (like Peter Parker being replaced as Spider-Man), or the culmination of some larger story line (and also- a major and temporary event).

DC does exactly the same thing- except they call all their "non-canon" titles "Earth 2" (I think).

So the Iron Man movies all "followed cannon" in that the setups followed real comic story lines (though I'm still ticked that they pulled a fake Mandarin into IM3). Winter Soldier was freaking awesome.

Changing Victor von Doom into some internet troll? No. Not okay.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 11, 2014 10:22 AM (kff5f)

I am by no means a canon or nothing kind of gal so I agree to an extent with your points about Marvel being at least somewhat consistent with characterization. *gives Civil War the sideeye*

That being said, what you just described is the problem with attempting to claim that the Marvelverse has anything resembling internally consistent canon. It is canon that [ insert character here ] is dead right up until the second that character isn't. Events that happen in one story line are ignored in the next. In order for canon to be consistent, events must be both major and permanent, not transient. Anything else is retconning like a mofo. Again, that's perfectly fine by me but let's not not pretend Marvel believes in abiding by it's own canon.

Then again I am in the SNAPE AND LUPIN ARE ALIVE OKAY camp so I am not in the best position to throw stones.

Posted by: alexthechick - Who needs an invisibility cloak when you can just crouch at November 11, 2014 10:36 AM (mf5HN)

202 >>So where did that meme come from? Did somebody lie?

The same place where the Hillary is charming" meme came from?

Honestly, I think it came from people who loved the idea of Obama who read his skill of not saying much, appearing to agree with them (which he talked about in his book) as niceness. So, Chauncey Garner-like niceness. And by keeping these adoring fans at a distance they're none the wiser.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 11, 2014 10:36 AM (ABcz/)

203 Then again I am in the SNAPE AND LUPIN ARE ALIVE OKAY camp so I am not in the best position to throw stones.

Ummm....they died in the last movie.

Posted by: EC at November 11, 2014 10:37 AM (GQ8sn)

204 nude trumpets

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 11, 2014 10:37 AM (l1zOH)

205 no shit, the Air Force doesn't have that many members
Posted by: navycopjoe with the chicago education at November 11, 2014 10:34 AM (w7ptZ)
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Beat me to it!

Posted by: All Hail Eris at November 11, 2014 10:37 AM (QBm1P)

206 At least the USN got rid of rum and the lash. Meatloaf would approve.

Posted by: ScoggDog at November 11, 2014 10:37 AM (PFjNT)

207 185 Basically we're just royally fucked with guys like McCain.

Posted by: buzzion at November 11, 2014 10:29 AM (zt+N6)

Just make sure he and his ass buddy Lindsay are not on the Judicial committee. At lest one person from the minority Party must vote for cloture to send it to the floor for a vote. .

Posted by: Vic at November 11, 2014 10:38 AM (u9gzs)

208 Honestly, I think it came from people who loved the
idea of Obama who read his skill of not saying much, appearing to agree
with them (which he talked about in his book) as niceness. So, Chauncey
Garner-like niceness. And by keeping these adoring fans at a distance
they're none the wiser.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 11, 2014 10:36 AM (ABcz/)

***********************
Not to mention the crease of his pants.

Posted by: David Brooks at November 11, 2014 10:38 AM (5f5bM)

209
Like I've said ... and will continue to say ... many of you Love Liberty Sexually, right up until you don't. D-Lamp, the road to Hell is paved with good intentions. And you are Exhibit A why C.S. Lewis feared the omnipotent moral busybodies more than the robber baron.

There's not nearly as much room between you and the Progressives as you'd like to think.

Posted by: ScoggDog at November 11, 2014 10:30 AM (PFjNT)

"Moral Busybody" is simply an ad hominem Libertarians throw at people who tell them to stop behaving like little children.

The people of this nation have a legitimate interest in preventing the spread of addiction. If left unchecked, addiction increases at a logistical growth rate.

China already did this. We know how it works in practice. It is not a theory, it is an experimentally verified fact.

You Libertarian types simply do not grasp the danger because you only have your short little lives and experiences to rely on for understanding this problem, and the phenomena of increasing drug addiction is problem that usually exceeds the human life span.

Legal drugs are an existential threat to any society which tolerates them, and last time I checked, Insuring the survival of our nation was pretty high up on the list of things the government ought to be doing.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 10:38 AM (txvbW)

210 193 On another topic. I can't see the Brits banning knives-

That's unpossible. My best friend has a cottage business set up, the bulk of which is selling to high-end knife makers. Any drooling idiot w/a piece of steel and a grinding wheel can make a blade capable of killing someone.
I'm sure the dynamic at work here is to generate revenue through licensing fees and fines, ala carbon regulation. There's no greater good involved, just a fatter state.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at November 11, 2014 10:39 AM (5buP8)

211 206 At least the USN got rid of rum and the lash

pssst, check the ventilation ducting

Posted by: navycopjoe with the chicago education at November 11, 2014 10:39 AM (w7ptZ)

212 nude trumpets
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You left off an "S".

Posted by: All Hail Eris at November 11, 2014 10:39 AM (QBm1P)

213 Damn a new one is up

Posted by: Vic at November 11, 2014 10:39 AM (u9gzs)

214
@sweetnspicy66

#Ferguson "activists" so delusional they compare themselves to #Veterans saying to celebrate them for all they have faced! #scumbags #losers

Posted by: The Progs at November 11, 2014 10:39 AM (iQIUe)

215 I wish Jonah wasn't so right on target in "Empty Integrity". It's true our culture celebrates bad guys and scumbags far too often. Mostly though we are just confused and we call PC ideas "social virtues".

Someone like Ezra Klein missed his chance to go into the military or work in a productive industry, and learn something of virtue after a PC upraising, but instead he and his single mindedly empty-headed juicebox cohort for punditry devoid of substance.

It's a problem when the best-and-brightest aren't brought up to be good citizens.

Posted by: Robert Heinlein at November 11, 2014 10:39 AM (LISuA)

216 209 D-Lamp, that's the best explanation I've ever heard for why we ban drugs.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at November 11, 2014 10:40 AM (5f5bM)

217 Ummm....they died in the last movie.

Posted by: EC at November 11, 2014 10:37 AM (GQ8sn)

LALALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALALALALALALA

Speaking of hearing, is the soundmix as bad for Interstellar as reported?

Posted by: alexthechick - Who needs an invisibility cloak when you can just crouch at November 11, 2014 10:40 AM (mf5HN)

218 163
The War on Drugs. Supported widely by the Morals Police on the Political Right.

Unintended Consequences. Not just a Left Wing Thing.

Posted by: ScoggDog at November 11, 2014 10:20 AM (PFjNT)

The War on Drugs is necessary. Yes it's being abused, and those abuses need to be addressed, but Drugs are a greater threat. If you want to see what happens when a nation doesn't have a war on drugs, look at China.

Drugs destroyed China.
Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 10:23 AM (txvbW)

Feh.

I'd rather have my freedom restored and try other ways to fight the harm caused by drugs.

Posted by: eman at November 11, 2014 10:40 AM (MQEz6)

219 Google thinks that 40% of the US military is gay!! WTF?

If they're talking about the female military, that number is low.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at November 11, 2014 10:40 AM (5buP8)

220 Is it ever a wrong time to mention that Gruber is a smug ass?

Posted by: seems legit at November 11, 2014 10:41 AM (A98Xu)

221 Speaking of hearing, is the soundmix as bad for Interstellar as reported?

Just certain scenes. The ones with the rocket blasting off, wormhole, and other scenes. There is dialogue being spoken in some scenes while the sound and music are cranked to 11 so you can miss stuff being said.

Posted by: EC at November 11, 2014 10:42 AM (GQ8sn)

222 Speaking of hearing, is the soundmix as bad for Interstellar as reported?
Posted by: alexthechick - Who needs an invisibility cloak when you can just crouch at November 11, 2014 10:40 AM (mf5HN)
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They had the sound pegged at full Scanners strength when the movie started but it was quickly dialed down within ten seconds, I think somebody complained.

The sudden contrast between the noise of liftoff and the silence of space was used very effectively, I thought.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at November 11, 2014 10:43 AM (QBm1P)

223 Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 10:38 AM (txvbW)

Tell me, Lamp: Who defines "behaving like little children"?

I've got no dog in the 'legalize' fight. The states can do as they wish. It's disconcerting though, to see the exact same person who preaches about the dangers of legislated morality when it comes from the left decide on his own what poses or doesn't pose an existential threat to the survival of the nation.

Drug use didn't bring down China, it didn't bring down the Aztecs, it didn't collapse the Egyptian or Assyrian empires. It won't destroy the United States.

The Free Shit Army and the mindset which created it can.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 11, 2014 10:43 AM (Rz4ly)

224 216 209 D-Lamp, that's the best explanation I've ever heard for why we ban drugs.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at November 11, 2014 10:40 AM (5f5bM)

Why thank you. I just wish I could get the Libertarian types to grasp the concept.

It isn't about begrudging them their fun, it's about "We've already seen how this scenario plays out, and it's a disaster."

The nation cannot survive such a policy. China certainly didn't. Four thousand years of governance by an Emperor, and 70 years of legal drugs took that government down.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 10:44 AM (txvbW)

225 They had the sound pegged at full Scanners strength when the movie started but it was quickly dialed down within ten seconds, I think somebody complained.

What did you think of the "reveal" without spoiling it?

Posted by: EC at November 11, 2014 10:45 AM (GQ8sn)

226 209
Like I've said ... and will continue to say ... many of you Love Liberty Sexually, right up until you don't. D-Lamp, the road to Hell is paved with good intentions. And you are Exhibit A why C.S. Lewis feared the omnipotent moral busybodies more than the robber baron.

There's not nearly as much room between you and the Progressives as you'd like to think.

Posted by: ScoggDog at November 11, 2014 10:30 AM (PFjNT)

"Moral Busybody" is simply an ad hominem Libertarians throw at people who tell them to stop behaving like little children.

The people of this nation have a legitimate interest in preventing the spread of addiction. If left unchecked, addiction increases at a logistical growth rate.

China already did this. We know how it works in practice. It is not a theory, it is an experimentally verified fact.

You Libertarian types simply do not grasp the danger because you only have your short little lives and experiences to rely on for understanding this problem, and the phenomena of increasing drug addiction is problem that usually exceeds the human life span.

Legal drugs are an existential threat to any society which tolerates them, and last time I checked, Insuring the survival of our nation was pretty high up on the list of things the government ought to be doing.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 10:38 AM (txvbW)

Legal drugs?

You mean like alcohol?

Posted by: eman at November 11, 2014 10:45 AM (MQEz6)

227 If they're talking about the female military, that number is low.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at November 11, 2014 10:40 AM (5buP

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Lingerie pillow fights on the quarterdeck!

Posted by: All Hail Eris at November 11, 2014 10:45 AM (QBm1P)

228 Feh.

I'd rather have my freedom restored and try other ways to fight the harm caused by drugs.

Posted by: eman at November 11, 2014 10:40 AM (MQEz6)

Drugs are not "Freedom", they are a childish indulgence that no civil society can survive.

Beyond that, by what other possible means can you fight something that directly tampers with the human brain?

I am all ears for any suggestions.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 10:46 AM (txvbW)

229 But Bammy arriving with a mouthful of gum was his own special tradition.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at November 11, 2014 10:02 AM (vgIRn)

Nicorette. We hope.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 11, 2014 10:46 AM (t//F+)

230 You've mentioned it a few times, D-Lamp, but it wasn't opium that collapsed Han China, it was the Sino-Xiongnu Wars.

200 years of constant combat weakened the Han Dynasty to such a point that it couldn't support its own weight.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 11, 2014 10:47 AM (Rz4ly)

231
Done burning strawmen D-Lamp ?

Now go back and read your own shit. Same line of thinking has been put forward by every Progressive and Fascist over the last 100 years. You're no different. Don't believe me ? Read Liberal Fascism.

If you really believe in Republicanism ... you'll support the rights of individual states to choose. If nothing else, they'll serve as a good bad example for the rest of us.

But you don't. You believe society will sink into chaos if left to it's own devices. And you believe in hanging liberal journalists to prevent their vile untruths from polluting the group consciousness.

Sound familiar ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at November 11, 2014 10:47 AM (PFjNT)

232
Drug use didn't bring down China, ... It won't destroy the United States.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 11, 2014 10:43 AM (Rz4ly)

You don't know what you are talking about. Legalized drugs did indeed wreck China financially and Socially. I suggest you read up on the subject. This is a good place to start.

https://archive.org/details/druggingnationst00merwiala

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 10:49 AM (txvbW)

233 228 Feh.

I'd rather have my freedom restored and try other ways to fight the harm caused by drugs.

Posted by: eman at November 11, 2014 10:40 AM (MQEz6)

Drugs are not "Freedom", they are a childish indulgence that no civil society can survive.

Beyond that, by what other possible means can you fight something that directly tampers with the human brain?

I am all ears for any suggestions.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 10:46 AM (txvbW)

Childish indulgence?

Who do you think you are?

Posted by: eman at November 11, 2014 10:50 AM (MQEz6)

234 Also, keep in mind that the Emperor BANNED opium and executed drug users.

How'd that work out?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 11, 2014 10:50 AM (Rz4ly)

235 The left tells us that guns are a 'childish indulgence' or a way to 'compensate' that no society can survive. Thus, they want them banned.

D-Lamp tells us that drugs are a 'childish indulgence' that no society can survive. Thus, he wants them banned.

Please explain to me the difference in the totalitarianism.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 11, 2014 10:52 AM (Rz4ly)

236
Legal drugs?

You mean like alcohol?

Posted by: eman at November 11, 2014 10:45 AM (MQEz6)

Why must we always attempt to trot out "Alcohol" as a comparison to narcotics?

For what it's worth, Alcohol does kill about 85,000 people per year, but it has been so ingrained in European descended peoples that they have even evolved genes to process it.

We can live with the losses caused by alcohol, but the losses caused by narcotics go way beyond just the lives lost from overdose.

You seemingly have no experience with a drug using community. I have had plenty. I have known a lot of people who killed themselves with drugs, but not before damaging everyone around them.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 10:54 AM (txvbW)

237 230 You've mentioned it a few times, D-Lamp, but it wasn't opium that collapsed Han China, it was the Sino-Xiongnu Wars.

200 years of constant combat weakened the Han Dynasty to such a point that it couldn't support its own weight.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 11, 2014 10:47 AM (Rz4ly)

Oh right. In 4000 years of rule by an Emperor, they never had any wars before.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 10:56 AM (txvbW)

238 D-Lamp, get help. Your urge to control others is turning you sour.

Freedom means things are put at risk. Good things and bad things.

Your single explanation for the fall of a Chinese dynasty is not compelling at all.

Posted by: eman at November 11, 2014 10:56 AM (MQEz6)

239 236
Legal drugs?

You mean like alcohol?

Posted by: eman at November 11, 2014 10:45 AM (MQEz6)

Why must we always attempt to trot out "Alcohol" as a comparison to narcotics?

For what it's worth, Alcohol does kill about 85,000 people per year, but it has been so ingrained in European descended peoples that they have even evolved genes to process it.

We can live with the losses caused by alcohol, but the losses caused by narcotics go way beyond just the lives lost from overdose.

You seemingly have no experience with a drug using community. I have had plenty. I have known a lot of people who killed themselves with drugs, but not before damaging everyone around them.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 10:54 AM (txvbW)

Your experience has twisted your thinking such that you will abide anything in order to fight narcotics.

Fuck that.

I'm not going to live in a Fascist Empire because you hate what opiates do to people.

Posted by: eman at November 11, 2014 10:59 AM (MQEz6)

240 Interesting article by Jonah Goldberg at National Review.

Posted by: dantesed at November 11, 2014 11:00 AM (88xKn)

241 This ain't China .
I'm in scogg doggs platoon .

Posted by: awkward davies at November 11, 2014 11:00 AM (Z+Mqb)

242 Now go back and read your own shit. Same line of thinking has been put forward by every Progressive and Fascist over the last 100 years. You're no different. Don't believe me ? Read Liberal Fascism.

If you really believe in Republicanism ... you'll support the rights of individual states to choose. If nothing else, they'll serve as a good bad example for the rest of us.

But you don't. You believe society will sink into chaos if left to it's own devices. And you believe in hanging liberal journalists to prevent their vile untruths from polluting the group consciousness.

Sound familiar ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at November 11, 2014 10:47 AM (PFjNT)

I believe Libertarians will scream "FASCISM!!!!!" every time they run up against someone who harshes their mellow.

You do not have a right to do drugs. You NEVER had a right to do drugs. Drugs are incompatible with a civil society, and unless you can be separated from the rest of the population, your intent to do drugs represents a threat to the rest of us.

I cannot tell you how many worthless fucks I have known over the years who smoke crack, weed, Meth, etc and who steal cheat and suck on the government teat just to pay for their indulgences.

The very WORST thing that they do is spread that infection to others by inducing them to try it.

Brain altering chemicals are the very opposite of free will. Once someone starts down that path, they have no more free will. They have a chemical craving that speaks for them instead.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 11:01 AM (txvbW)

243 Wow, I thought the whole "Obamacare navigator/terrorist/immigration fraud" headline captured Obama's presidency, but that one about "Senators asking MSNBC for insight on what the WH is thinking" one gives it a rn for its money.
We are well and truly screwed.....

Posted by: Lizzy at November 11, 2014 11:02 AM (ABcz/)

244
Childish indulgence?

Who do you think you are?

Posted by: eman at November 11, 2014 10:50 AM (MQEz6)

I am a person that recognizes a deadly threat and intends to keep it away from myself and my family.

Who the fuck are you? You want to bring that shit into my community? Fuck you.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 11:03 AM (txvbW)

245 Cheetos and Weed!

If drugs are outlawed only outlaws will have drugs... and shit.

Cheetos!

Weed!

Rawn Pol!

AIGHHH

Posted by: Pony-tailed dude living in Mom's basement at November 11, 2014 11:03 AM (jGmRo)

246 Legal drugs are an existential threat to any society
which tolerates them, and last time I checked, Insuring the survival
of our nation was pretty high up on the list of things the government
ought to be doing.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 10:38 AM (txvbW)

D-Lamp, I'm not saying you are wrong, but I am concerned about the side-effects of the methods you are supporting.
Can you expand on how destroying property rights and the rule of law furthers a just and successful society, as opposed to the historical experience of turning an open and successful society into a totalitarian state?

Posted by: Kindltot at November 11, 2014 11:03 AM (t//F+)

247 Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 11:01 AM (txvbW)

Your plan does not work and causes great damage of its own.

Posted by: eman at November 11, 2014 11:05 AM (MQEz6)

248 234 Also, keep in mind that the Emperor BANNED opium and executed drug users.

How'd that work out?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 11, 2014 10:50 AM (Rz4ly)

The Drug Dealers went to war with him, and forced him to legalize that shit. (See Opium Wars.) China went down hill from there, eventually collapsing as a result of the social and financial rot caused by having so large a percentage of it's population hooked on drugs.

The rise of Mao is directly related to the China's social upheaval which was caused by drugs.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 11:05 AM (txvbW)

249 244
Childish indulgence?

Who do you think you are?

Posted by: eman at November 11, 2014 10:50 AM (MQEz6)

I am a person that recognizes a deadly threat and intends to keep it away from myself and my family.

Who the fuck are you? You want to bring that shit into my community? Fuck you.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 11:03 AM (txvbW)

I don't want to bring drugs anywhere.

I want freedom restored.

Posted by: eman at November 11, 2014 11:06 AM (MQEz6)

250 The rise of Mao is directly related to the China's social upheaval which was caused by drugs.

But we just want to smoke weed and play RPGs in peace. Who cares what commies take political office. My vote doesn't count anyway.

Cheetos and Weed 2016!

Posted by: Pony-tailed dude living in Mom's basement at November 11, 2014 11:07 AM (jGmRo)

251 Please explain to me the difference in the totalitarianism.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 11, 2014 10:52 AM (Rz4ly)

I figured the childish libertarians would seize on that phrase "Childish Indulgence" because they had no better argument.

Well let me clear it up for you. "Childish Indulgence" is my subjective impression. "Deadly Threat to Civil Society" is a more objective assessment.

Believe it or not, Drugs usage can be both a "childish indulgence" *AND* a Deadly threat to civil society.

It's a lot like promiscuity in that regard, and for the same reason; that trail of human wreckage it leaves behind.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 11:09 AM (txvbW)

252
Your single explanation for the fall of a Chinese dynasty is not compelling at all.

Posted by: eman at November 11, 2014 10:56 AM (MQEz6)

Because you don't want to believe it. Because believing it blows an unrepairable hole in what it is you do wish to believe.

Ergo, it cannot be true for you because it mustn't.

Don't take my word for it. Read what the Chinese Authorities were saying about it at the time. Note that Japan was heavily invested in pumping thousands of tons of Opium into China as well.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 11:12 AM (txvbW)

253
I want freedom restored.

Freedom is too expensive!

*chanting*

*We're not willing to pay the price if it involves our particular vice! *

Cheetos and Weed 2016 !

Posted by: Pony-tailed dude living in Mom's basement at November 11, 2014 11:12 AM (jGmRo)

254 I cannot tell you how many worthless fucks I have known over the years
who smoke crack, weed, Meth, etc and who steal cheat and suck on the
government teat just to pay for their indulgences.

Sounds like the problem may be government subsidies and not the drugs.

Oh, and yeah, the collapse of the Chinese state, the rise of the Nationalists, the invasion and occupation by the Japanese and direct funding by the US had nothing to do with Mao's rise.
Dial your argument back and let's look at facts not hyperbole.

I actually agree with you in your basic argument. I personally think 2nd conviction on Meth should result in the use of a chipper and a backhoe, but I do see a need to follow the rule of law.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 11, 2014 11:13 AM (t//F+)

255 Federal drug laws were not enacted until 1965. How did we do so good up until that time?

Posted by: Vic at November 11, 2014 11:13 AM (u9gzs)

256
Your experience has twisted your thinking such that you will abide anything in order to fight narcotics.

Fuck that.

I'm not going to live in a Fascist Empire because you hate what opiates do to people.

Posted by: eman at November 11, 2014 10:59 AM (MQEz6)

You tolerate Opium and you will get a Fascist Empire a lot faster. Again, I point out China. A Strong Man Dictator form of government will always follow a social collapse.

You just don't believe that legalized drugs will equate to a social collapse.

Again, history is on my side.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 11:13 AM (txvbW)

257 255 Federal drug laws were not enacted until 1965. How did we do so good up until that time?

Posted by: Vic at November 11, 2014 11:13 AM (u9gzs)

1906. Pure food and drug act. Followed by the Harrison Narcotics act in 1914. Pot banned in 1934.

Do you really think Cocaine Cola would not have had a consequence?

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 11:15 AM (txvbW)

258 Drugs.

Good for America.

Good for American families.

Supply and demand. Pure capitalism.

You don't hate capitalism do you?

Posted by: Walter White at November 11, 2014 11:16 AM (jGmRo)

259
Sounds like the problem may be government subsidies and not the drugs.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 11, 2014 11:13 AM (t//F+)

The problems with our society are multi-faceted and many of them stem from common causes.

A lot fewer people would be able to spend their time toking if they had to put food on the table for themselves.

Government makes the drug problem worse with subsidies for the indolent.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 11:17 AM (txvbW)

260 257 Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 11:15 AM (txvbW)

Those laws simply regulated them for purity, they were not prohibited until 1965.

Posted by: Vic at November 11, 2014 11:18 AM (u9gzs)

261
D-Lamp, I'm not saying you are wrong, but I am concerned about the side-effects of the methods you are supporting.
Can you expand on how destroying property rights and the rule of law furthers a just and successful society, as opposed to the historical experience of turning an open and successful society into a totalitarian state?

Posted by: Kindltot at November 11, 2014 11:03 AM (t//F+)

I have already said that seizure laws and other government abuses are wrong and need to be stopped. I regard abuses to be a separate issue from the National need to prevent the spread of drug addiction.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 11:19 AM (txvbW)

262
Your plan does not work and causes great damage of its own.

Posted by: eman at November 11, 2014 11:05 AM (MQEz6)

First of all, it's not "my plan". My plan puts a lot more *War* back into the war on drugs.

Blow the fuck out of cocaine and opium fields. Kill any foreigner involved in the industry, especially smugglers. Punch the ticket of convicted drug dealers here in this country.

Fight it like it's a fucking war.

Regarding your second point, "and causes great damage of its own." Yes, the way it's being fought causes great damage, but even as badly as it's being fought now, the damage caused pales in comparison to the damage which would occur if we allowed drugs.

The Fire is not an improvement on the frying pan.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 11:24 AM (txvbW)

263
D-Lamp ... you're a Liberal Fascist, every bit in the spirit of the book. You've proven such.

For the record, I drink beer. That's all. And if anything, I'm a Federalist.

Posted by: ScoggDog at November 11, 2014 11:24 AM (PFjNT)

264 And if anything, I'm a Federalist.

*ding ding*

Posted by: Hector Salamanca at November 11, 2014 11:26 AM (jGmRo)

265
I don't want to bring drugs anywhere.

I want freedom restored.

Posted by: eman at November 11, 2014 11:06 AM (MQEz6)

I do too, but when I think of freedom, I think of the right to assemble peaceably, the right to speak my mind, the right to petition my government for grievances against it. The Freedom to protect myself and my family from danger. The Freedom to earn a living and keep most of the fruits of my labor.

The right to fuck up my brain chemistry is not comprehended by my understanding of the word "freedom."

Make drugs legal, and every pharmaceutical will come out with a zombie slave drug that is instantly addictive. It would be the most lucrative industry in History.

Ketracel white anyone?

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 11:27 AM (txvbW)

266
Those laws simply regulated them for purity, they were not prohibited until 1965.

Posted by: Vic at November 11, 2014 11:18 AM (u9gzs) j

That "regulation" pretty much put an end to all the patent medicines laced with cocaine and opiates that were floating around at the time.

Again, do you think Cocaine Cola would have been perfectly compatible with a functional society?

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 11:30 AM (txvbW)

267
Government makes the drug problem worse with subsidies for the indolent.
Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 11:17 AM (txvbW)

Even worse than that. Last month, in Paraguay, one of the higher-ups of their anti-narcotics agency stated that he felt Paraguay needed new laws about drugs. They have a problem with back-country grows, and LE finds them and the shipments and burn them.
The official stated basically that all they seemed to be able to do is reduce the amount of marijuana coming on the market, which drives the price up, and makes it more financially attractive to grow pot, which drives the creation of more acreage under cultivation.
So government drives this problem from both sides, from supply and demand.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 11, 2014 11:32 AM (t//F+)

268 The official stated basically that all they seemed to be able to do is reduce the amount of marijuana coming on the market, which drives the price up, and makes it more financially attractive to grow pot, which drives the creation of more acreage under cultivation.
So government drives this problem from both sides, from supply and demand.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 11, 2014 11:32 AM (t//F+)

The logical move is to dump it onto the market and watch the prices crash.

Posted by: EC at November 11, 2014 11:33 AM (GQ8sn)

269 D-Lamp ... you're a Liberal Fascist, every bit in the spirit of the book. You've proven such.

For the record, I drink beer. That's all. And if anything, I'm a Federalist.

Posted by: ScoggDog at November 11, 2014 11:24 AM (PFjNT)

Another Libertarian calling me a "Fascist." I am reminded of that cartoon of Calvin (of Calvin and Hobbes) screaming at his mother because she took his toy away.

Libertarians advocate Anarchy, they just don't realize it. Liberals advocate Totalitarianism, and they don't realize it either.

I am a conservative. I advocate just enough governance to maintain the nation as functional, but no less and no more.

As Burke said:

Men are qualified for civil liberty in exact proportion to their disposition to put moral chains upon their own appetites, --in proportion as their love to justice is above their rapacity, -- in proportion as their soundness and sobriety of understanding is above their vanity and presumption, --in proportion as they are more disposed to listen to the counsels of the wise and good, in preference to the flattery of knaves. Society cannot exist, unless a controlling power upon will and appetite be placed somewhere; and the less of it there is within, the more there must be without. It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things, that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 11:34 AM (txvbW)

270 If you think about it, isn't living in a Netherlands-like society, floating in drug-addled haze with millions of welfare-sponging Free Shit Army high-as-a-kite LIV Obama voters really just the highest form of freedom?

Posted by: Walter White at November 11, 2014 11:34 AM (jGmRo)

271 Again, do you think Cocaine Cola would have been perfectly compatible with a functional society?

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 11:30 AM (txvbW)

The amount of cocaine in the original coco cola was infinitesimal despite this widespread myth.. One part in 50 million.

Posted by: Vic at November 11, 2014 11:37 AM (u9gzs)

272 D-Lamp ... you're a Liberal Fascist, every bit in the spirit of the book.

Posted by: ScoggDog at November 11, 2014 11:24 AM (PFjNT)

***********

Hey, you know Jonah Goldberg wrote a book with a similar title.

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at November 11, 2014 11:37 AM (vgIRn)

273 So government drives this problem from both sides, from supply and demand.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 11, 2014 11:32 AM (t//F+)

I've seen the argument that government interdiction makes the industry more profitable.

For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his fucking ass because we burned it to a crisp when we bombed the shit out of him?

I note Singapore has a lot fewer problems with drugs than do we. They simply kill people caught bringing it in to their country.

The risk vs return equation gets changed in a quite profound manner.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 11:38 AM (txvbW)

274
The logical move is to dump it onto the market and watch the prices crash.

Posted by: EC at November 11, 2014 11:33 AM (GQ8sn)

And society along with it. Again, that's exactly what happened in China. It got so bad that China started growing it's own Opium to feed it's own consumers just so they could wreck the price.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 11:40 AM (txvbW)

275
The amount of cocaine in the original coco cola was infinitesimal despite this widespread myth.. One part in 50 million.

Posted by: Vic at November 11, 2014 11:37 AM (u9gzs)

My recollection is that there were 200 milligrams per bottle. You are referring to the cocaine quantity *AFTER* they started using that chemical process to strip the cocaine out of the leaves.

Prior to this point, they were using unadulterated coca leaves in the product.

Yes, *AFTER* they started stripping out the cocaine, (because of those damn drug laws) the quantity became a few parts per million.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 11:42 AM (txvbW)

276
D-Lamp ... I'm going to make your time here miserable. Here's how ...

Whenever I catch you bitching about how Leftists are curtailing your freedoms ... I'm going to remind you of this conversation - and how YOU know when to curtail other people's freedoms.

This will be fun.

Posted by: ScoggDog at November 11, 2014 11:44 AM (PFjNT)

277 My problem with the so-called war on drugs is that we are spending trillions of dollars on it and getting nothing but militorized cops. I really don't give a crap if someone fries their brain. But I would make getting welfare a drug free requirement.

Posted by: Vic at November 11, 2014 11:45 AM (u9gzs)

278 And society along with it. Again, that's exactly what happened in China. It got so bad that China started growing it's own Opium to feed it's own consumers just so they could wreck the price.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 11:40 AM (txvbW)

If you want to economically disincentivize the growth, then yes this is the logical move. Same thing with ivory poaching in Africa. Dump the ivory and crash the market.

Posted by: EC at November 11, 2014 11:45 AM (GQ8sn)

279 Whenever I catch you bitching about how Leftists are curtailing your freedoms ... I'm going to remind you of this conversation - and how YOU know when to curtail other people's freedoms.

This will be fun.

Posted by: ScoggDog at November 11, 2014 11:44 AM (PFjNT)

Yeah, it's called a "non sequitur", false equivalency, and "ad hominem."

In your mind, anyone telling you *NO* is equivalent to a Fascist. Don't worry. I have a *LOT* of experience arguing with childish and short sighted little Libertarians who make up what, 6% of the electorate?

I already have a nut job Libertarian arguing with me on another site, (for six years) and I very much doubt you can do worse than he.

He says that if you oppose the legalization of drugs, it's because you are an immoral bastard who wants children and old people to suffer. (because he claims some of them can be treated by smoking pot.) Oh, and your a RACIST!!!! too. (because so many blacks get convicted of drug charges.)

Yeah, just put me down as hating old people and children, and then tell me how much like a Liberal I am. Perhaps you will have an irony overload or something.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 11:49 AM (txvbW)

280 Cocain was all but removed from cocola in 1904 after it's inventor died.

Posted by: Vic at November 11, 2014 11:55 AM (u9gzs)

281 277 My problem with the so-called war on drugs is that we are spending trillions of dollars on it and getting nothing but militorized cops. I really don't give a crap if someone fries their brain. But I would make getting welfare a drug free requirement.

Posted by: Vic at November 11, 2014 11:45 AM (u9gzs)

The expense has been climbing dramatically since the 1970s, but so has the expense for every government ran program. As for trillions, i'm not sure it has ever gotten that High.

Last time I looked the Drug Enforcement part of the budget was something like 28 billion.

As for the problem with people frying their brain, that would be fine if it restricted itself to just that. It doesn't. They want to get your children and grandchildren caught up in their folly.

Look, I've known pimps and drug dealers. I've had long conversations with them. This one guy I knew says he would walk up and down the street looking for young girls he could groom. He would sweet talk them for awhile, he would get them to try some weed, and eventually he would hook them on crack.

After he gets as many pieces as he wants, he puts them out on the street and makes them into a ho.

That is how this works. Drug users won't leave other people alone. They are constantly recruiting in the manner of Chicken Hawk Queers.

You can't constrain this behavior into a specific group. It spreads out to the mainstream just like an infectious disease.

According to Drug Library.org (a pro-drug site) by 1900 50% of the adult males in Manchuria were addicted to Opium.

Look at the logistical growth curve of shipments into China. Every decade showed a massive increase in demand. The stuff generates it's own demand.

Again, you can't leave it alone because it won't stay restricted to just one group in a society. It is infectious.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 11:56 AM (txvbW)

282 The risk vs return equation gets changed in a quite profound manner.
Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 11:38 AM (txvbW)

One of the earliest and most cogent arguments against capital punishments came from an Italian philosopher that no-one has heard of because he was too lazy to actually publish much, which came down to the argument of:
Why on earth would you want to give that sort of person that sort of power?

Who do we kill, why, when, how, and what do we do when we round up, say, negros, gypsies or Jews and burn them to a crisp? What if we arrest conservative bloggers by accident?

YOUR FUCKING PLAN HANDS THE ENTIRE SOCIETY INTO THE HANDS OF THE FUCKING TOTALITARIAN MOTHERFUCKERS WHO WILL NOT STOP UNTIL THERE IS NOTHING LEFT TO CHALLENGE THEM AND THEY CAN LIVE LIKE THE COMMISSARS AND THIRD-WORLD SHITHOLE DICTATORS THEY WISH TO EMULATE

Posted by: Kindltot at November 11, 2014 11:56 AM (t//F+)

283 280 Cocain was all but removed from cocola in 1904 after it's inventor died.

Posted by: Vic at November 11, 2014 11:55 AM (u9gzs)

Do you see how your own comment doesn't even address the point? It originally had quite a lot of cocaine in it. They removed the cocaine because people were noticing the stuff was addictive.

If drugs were legal, they would have no reason to remove the cocaine, and so again I ask you, do you think society would be okay if we were selling soft drinks with 200 milligrams of cocaine per bottle?

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 11:58 AM (txvbW)

284 Who do we kill, why, when, how, and what do we do when we round up, say, negros, gypsies or Jews and burn them to a crisp? What if we arrest conservative bloggers by accident?

YOUR FUCKING PLAN HANDS THE ENTIRE SOCIETY INTO THE HANDS OF THE FUCKING TOTALITARIAN MOTHERFUCKERS WHO WILL NOT STOP UNTIL THERE IS NOTHING LEFT TO CHALLENGE THEM AND THEY CAN LIVE LIKE THE COMMISSARS AND THIRD-WORLD SHITHOLE DICTATORS THEY WISH TO EMULATE

Posted by: Kindltot at November 11, 2014 11:56 AM (t//F+)

We already kill foreign Terrorists. We have mechanisms in place to (supposedly) protect the rights of American citizens.

I fail to see how killing foreign drug smugglers/producers is going to be a dire threat to our lives in this country.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 12:01 PM (txvbW)

285 Juliana Valenti must be a pitiable human being. The only way to get to her conclusion that no man could ever care for the women in their lives is to have had no men with feck in her life. So I suppose she is to be pitied since we can only gather from her article that her father, any brothers, husbands or sons were miserable gits. Worthless, short-pant-wearing, backward-baseball cap stands their of them.

Or maybe not. Maybe some of them were OK guys who care for there mother, daughters sisters and wife. Maybe they all found Ms. Valenti to be such an insufferable, self-righteous harpy that they self extracted themselves from her life.

Nah. It couldn't be that could it?

Posted by: Igotnothing at November 11, 2014 12:08 PM (aqric)

286 It's a lot like promiscuity in that regard, and for the same reason; that trail of human wreckage it leaves behind.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 11:09 AM (txvbW)

So drugs are outlawed and so is promiscuity. Threat to society and all that.

Tell me again how you aren't a totalitarian.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 11, 2014 12:08 PM (Rz4ly)

287 Dude, you may need to reassess your life. Talk to Romanian refugees, Viet Namese refugees. Think about natural rights. Talk to NA members.

Get out of that self-referential hole you are in.

It helps.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 11, 2014 12:09 PM (t//F+)

288 Juliana = Jessica
Dagnabit

Posted by: Igotnothing at November 11, 2014 12:10 PM (aqric)

289
So drugs are outlawed and so is promiscuity. Threat to society and all that.

Tell me again how you aren't a totalitarian.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 11, 2014 12:08 PM (Rz4ly)

Tell me how drugs and promiscuity are anti-totalitarian?

"Get high and fuck to fight the man!!"

Promiscuity used to be regulated by civil society without having to resort to law. That was before the government (under Roosevelt appointed judges) got involved and decreed that societal mores were unconstitutional.

Also, before the government got involved, Promiscuity was punished by it's own consequences. By deliberately tampering with those consequences (abortion, welfare) the government made promiscuity an acceptable choice for many baby mamas.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 12:13 PM (txvbW)

290 OK Mr. Lamp ... I got you down for drugs, promiscuity, and lying journalists. Anything else you care to fix ... in the pursuit of Lamptopia ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at November 11, 2014 12:16 PM (PFjNT)

291 If drugs were legal, they would have no reason to
remove the cocaine, and so again I ask you, do you think society would
be okay if we were selling soft drinks with 200 milligrams of cocaine
per bottle?

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 11:58 AM (txvbW)

There has never been 200 mg per bottle in coke. The current formula has zero cocaine in it.

The original coke formula had 5 oz of fresh leaves per gallon. Hardly a drug epidemic..The current formula has zero.

Posted by: Vic at November 11, 2014 12:14 PM (u9gzs)

Posted by: Vic at November 11, 2014 12:16 PM (u9gzs)

292 287 Dude, you may need to reassess your life. Talk to Romanian refugees, Viet Namese refugees. Think about natural rights. Talk to NA members.

Get out of that self-referential hole you are in.

It helps.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 11, 2014 12:09 PM (t//F+)

I assume you are referring to me. I've talked with refugees from behind the Iron Curtain. I've talked with Vietnamese refugees. Yes, we should all fear the approach of totalitarianism, but totalitarianism gets here faster if we collapse society.

We are currently living in an artificial financial climate that is covering up the fact that our government has been wrecking sections of society for a very long time.

Were it not for all the money being pumped into the entitlements sector of spending, we would see first hand the charred ruin of great swaths of the populace.

We are in a condition that is artificial and unsustainable but for the constant stream of money pumped into it, and I dare say the curve is exponential, and at some point it will be no longer possible to hide the damage.

We Americans don't know what the real world looks like because we've been partying with money borrowed from the future for a long time, and we have convinced ourselves that this behavior is sustainable.

When the party stops, we will better see what has happened, and we will very likely get totalitarianism when the bill comes due.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 12:19 PM (txvbW)

293 It's the premise that YOU know better. That YOUR values are the only ones that count. I'm no libertarian - you have no problem assigning labels yourself - and think drugs are a menace. I think the government has an obligation to provide the structure named in the Constitution. You think government has an obligation to ban everything bad, as defined by you. That is not conservative.

You point to the 'general welfare' clause - just as every liberal ever - as justification for your massive intrusion into the private lives of US citizens.

Perhaps that word is the problem... You don't want a nation of citizens. You want a nation of subjects.

What I've seen through this thread, as you've become more and more unhinged, is that you ARE willing to let the government control personal decisions. You are TOTALLY happy sacrificing the freedom of others on the altar of self-righteous indignation, and in fact you actively seek this outcome.

We fought two wars to get rid of fuckers like you. Hundreds of thousands died to rid this nation of those who would seek to rule us.

I notice you only mention women in your promiscuity rant. I suppose it's okay for men to do it. We're hard-wired to be promiscuous. Survival of the species and all that. Women though, they need to know their place. Right?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 11, 2014 12:20 PM (Rz4ly)

294 290 OK Mr. Lamp ... I got you down for drugs, promiscuity, and lying journalists. Anything else you care to fix ... in the pursuit of Lamptopia ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at November 11, 2014 12:16 PM (PFjNT)

This stuff will fix itself. Darwin reigns supreme. I just don't want to be around when the correction occurs.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 12:21 PM (txvbW)

295 Tell me, D-Lamp. Who was it? Mom? Dad? Your child, God forbid?

Which vital player in your life was/is turning tricks to support his/her habit?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 11, 2014 12:23 PM (Rz4ly)

296 There has never been 200 mg per bottle in coke. The current formula has zero cocaine in it.

The original coke formula had 5 oz of fresh leaves per gallon. Hardly a drug epidemic..The current formula has zero.

Posted by: Vic at November 11, 2014 12:16 PM (u9gzs)

By the time I look up the actual amount of cocaine in an original bottle of coca cola, i'm pretty sure this thread will be dead.

My recollection from having seen it before is that it's 200 milligrams per bottle, but that isn't really relevant to the point.

Coca Cola originally contained cocaine. Were it not illegal, I expect it would still contain cocaine, and in sufficient quantities to insure brisk product sales.

For whatever reason, you keep ignoring the central point.

What would society look like if 200 mg per bottle coca cola was available for sale?

I'm asking you, what would happen if cocaine in Cola were perfectly legal?

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 12:25 PM (txvbW)

297
The difference, Nearsider ... is that those Long Haired Hippy Type Pinko Fags don't know shit from shinola. I bet they've even got a Commie Flag tacked up on the wall inside of their garage.

But ol' D-Lamp ... master of Chinese Narco History ... knows what's best for you. Trust him.

Posted by: ScoggDog at November 11, 2014 12:25 PM (PFjNT)

298 D-Lamp is no different from Obama or Jarrett.

Listen to us, and do as we command, subjects. We know what is best for you.

Well, fuckstick, you can go be President Snow in your own world. Stay out of ours.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 11, 2014 12:28 PM (Rz4ly)

299
How many others on the "right" are just like him, WashNear ?

I say a shit ton. At least 1/3. Maybe 1/2.

Posted by: ScoggDog at November 11, 2014 12:30 PM (PFjNT)

300 How many others on the "right" are just like him, WashNear ?

I say a shit ton. At least 1/3. Maybe 1/2.

Posted by: ScoggDog at November 11, 2014 12:30 PM (PFjNT)

I'd say a third.

The entire evangelical wing, the I-hate-homos brigade and D-Lamp (who deserves his own special box).

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 11, 2014 12:31 PM (Rz4ly)

301
Maybe WS. Maybe.

Fuckers like him do make me check alot of my own assumptions. Don't always like what I find.

Posted by: ScoggDog at November 11, 2014 12:33 PM (PFjNT)

302 It's the premise that YOU know better. That YOUR values are the only ones that count. I'm no libertarian - you have no problem assigning labels yourself - and think drugs are a menace. I think the government has an obligation to provide the structure named in the Constitution. You think government has an obligation to ban everything bad, as defined by you. That is not conservative.

Well you've got just about everything wrong. You are strawmanning my position based on your miscomprehension of it. I think drugs are bad because they HAVE A PROVEN TRACK RECORD OF BEING BAD.

You point to the 'general welfare' clause - just as every liberal ever - as justification for your massive intrusion into the private lives of US citizens.

I *Never point to the "General Welfare" clause. I always point to the Defense Clause because sneaking poison chemicals across the border falls into the category of "defense" in my mind.

It is *NOT* an intrusion into the private lives of citizens, because drugs are not a private issue. They have entire chains of supply that transcend borders, and people invariably hook others into getting involved with them.

Every fucking addict I have ever met is constantly trying to get other people hooked on that shit. Drugs are "Private" in the same manner that "Vampirism" is private. They won't fucking leave other people alone either, but are constantly recruiting into the army of the Undead, and that is literally what drug addicts are. The Army of the Undead.

Perhaps that word is the problem... You don't want a nation of citizens. You want a nation of subjects.

What I've seen through this thread, as you've become more and more unhinged, is that you ARE willing to let the government control personal decisions. You are TOTALLY happy sacrificing the freedom of others on the altar of self-righteous indignation, and in fact you actively seek this outcome.

We fought two wars to get rid of fuckers like you. Hundreds of thousands died to rid this nation of those who would seek to rule us.

Here is that "otherization" that weak debaters always try to engage in. No, i'm not the King of England, and no, you didn't fight people like me. You just want me to be your Fascist boogeyman because you can't stand the thought that your ideas are wrong.

I notice you only mention women in your promiscuity rant. I suppose it's okay for men to do it. We're hard-wired to be promiscuous. Survival of the species and all that. Women though, they need to know their place. Right?

Strawmanning, begging the question, projection.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 11, 2014 12:20 PM (Rz4ly)

Again, the closest thing of which I am aware that resembles a drug advocating Libertarian is a little brat throwing a tantrum.

Please do grow up. Look at the world from a perspective beyond that of your own short life.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 12:35 PM (txvbW)

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Which vital player in your life was/is turning tricks to support his/her habit?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 11, 2014 12:23 PM (Rz4ly)

Trying to turn it personal? What, are you out of actual reasoned arguments?

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 12:36 PM (txvbW)

304 But ol' D-Lamp ... master of Chinese Narco History ... knows what's best for you. Trust him.

Posted by: ScoggDog at November 11, 2014 12:25 PM (PFjNT)

Mockery when you can't actually answer a point. Again, the tactic of a little child.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 12:38 PM (txvbW)

305 Listen to us, and do as we command, subjects. We know what is best for you.

Well, fuckstick, you can go be President Snow in your own world. Stay out of ours.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 11, 2014 12:28 PM (Rz4ly)

It's not your world, it's our world, and your defecation won't stay on your end of the pool.

If it did, you would have a point. Because it won't, you don't have a point.

You don't get to shit in our pool. You do not have a "right" to shit in our pool. People are not "FASCISTS" because they won't let you shit in our pools.

You need to grow the fuck up and figure out that the entire fucking world does not revolve around you.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 12:43 PM (txvbW)

306 How many others on the "right" are just like him, WashNear ?

I say a shit ton. At least 1/3. Maybe 1/2.

Posted by: ScoggDog at November 11, 2014 12:30 PM (PFjNT)

The sane and productive members of society. What are your Libertarian numbers again?

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 11, 2014 12:44 PM (txvbW)

307 You need to grow the fuck up and figure out that the entire fucking world does not revolve around you.

Dude, your have a serious, serious, problem with self-awareness.

Irony too. But mostly self-awareness

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 11, 2014 01:11 PM (V+kmg)

308 You need to grow the fuck up and figure out that the entire fucking world does not revolve around you.

Says the guy who calls himself Diogenes Lamp.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards, returned from 1080 exile at November 11, 2014 02:45 PM (Rz4ly)

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