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The Left Wishes to Destroy Society, Period
Via @charlescwcooke, Let All Men Be Brought Low, so that we might all be equal upon our backs or bellies.
We shall all find equality in the dirt. In Alabama, there's now a law that any student in one of the state's 78 failing schools may be permitted to escape to a non-failing school. $3500 is provided as partial (or full) payment of any costs that might be associated with such a move. The Southern Poverty Law Center is suing the state to block this scheme. Why? Well, actually, because they are simply creatures of the left and are doing a solid for the most important constituency of the left, Government School Union Teachers (and the bad ones, too, because the good ones have less need of union bargaining power). But their stated claim is this: They found eight families who say $3500 isn't enough to get their kids the help they need and hence the law is "discriminatory," and ergo is unconstitutional. So all children must continue to suffer with those eight. Isn't politics a wonderful thing?Comments
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SLPC is a vile organization who's name deserves to become mud.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 21, 2013 06:18 PM (ZPrif)
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It's like that old woman who can't drag her tired ass to the DMV to get an ID. It's bullshit.
Posted by: huerfano at August 21, 2013 06:19 PM (bAGA/)
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8 people? I suggest the rich lawyers at SPLC pony up a little scratch themselves, the cheap bastards.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 21, 2013 06:20 PM (T0NGe)
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SPLC President Richard Cohen is a nasty, racist piece of left-wing shit.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 21, 2013 06:20 PM (ZPrif)
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The left does not want to destroy all society - only a free society.
Posted by: Handcuffed to the Bumper of a State Trooper's Ford at August 21, 2013 06:20 PM (eMtQ2)
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The linked article describes the situation of one of the plaintiffs and her 12-year-old grandson:
"The nearest non-failing public school is 19 miles away in Pike County. The nearest private school is about 30 miles away, but it is not participating in the program."
"The 62-year-old grandmother said it wouldn’t matter if the private school were participating. 'I cannot afford to transport him to another school,' she said."
I couldn't help wondering: Could he maybe catch a ride with another kid? One of the ones who would have this opportunity if grandma weren't suing to block it?
"The nearest non-failing public school is 19 miles away in Pike County. The nearest private school is about 30 miles away, but it is not participating in the program."
"The 62-year-old grandmother said it wouldn’t matter if the private school were participating. 'I cannot afford to transport him to another school,' she said."
I couldn't help wondering: Could he maybe catch a ride with another kid? One of the ones who would have this opportunity if grandma weren't suing to block it?
Posted by: JPS at August 21, 2013 06:21 PM (cIjMl)
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The SPLC has a huge endowment, plenty big to provide transportation for poor kids.
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 21, 2013 06:24 PM (v1mq9)
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I just read John Stossel’s Myths, Lies, and Downright Stupidity, and there are in fact studies that say, when some children are given the option to go to different schools, the children who remain also do better. I seem to have forgotten to publish the post, but:
…in 1990, the city of Milwaukee did create a voucher program for some kids. When the program started, the Milwaukee school superintendent, Robert Peterkin, scoffed, “The idea that competition is just going to spark improvement for all schools is something that has no basis in fact.”
Peterkin was wrong. In 2001, Harvard economist Caroline Hoxby did research to see what vouchers had done to nearby public schools. Hoxby found that kids who used vouchers to go to private schools raised their scores, and the kids in the competing nearby public school did too. The private school vouchers made the public schools change.… Test results at those public schools went up by 8.1 percent in math, 13.8 percent in science, and 8.0 percent in language.
…in 1990, the city of Milwaukee did create a voucher program for some kids. When the program started, the Milwaukee school superintendent, Robert Peterkin, scoffed, “The idea that competition is just going to spark improvement for all schools is something that has no basis in fact.”
Peterkin was wrong. In 2001, Harvard economist Caroline Hoxby did research to see what vouchers had done to nearby public schools. Hoxby found that kids who used vouchers to go to private schools raised their scores, and the kids in the competing nearby public school did too. The private school vouchers made the public schools change.… Test results at those public schools went up by 8.1 percent in math, 13.8 percent in science, and 8.0 percent in language.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 21, 2013 06:24 PM (QF8uk)
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OT, but, what's the deal with this Syrian chemical attack thing? It kinda smells like bullshit to me, but how are they faking hundreds of dead bodies? That's crazy. Are there really hundreds of verified dead people? Would the rebels actually do their own attack to frame Assad? From what I've seen of them the answer is ... yeah, they probably would.
It's just an odd story. It should be pretty easy to verify if Assad gassed the rebel areas ... shouldn't it?
It's just an odd story. It should be pretty easy to verify if Assad gassed the rebel areas ... shouldn't it?
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 21, 2013 06:24 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: No There There at August 21, 2013 06:25 PM (rCS6C)
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I like this precedent quite a bit, actually, if they'd apply this logic to the things we don't like.
Solyndra happened, so we must halt all green energy spending. Medicare fraud proves that program needs to be scrapped. On and on.
Of course, that's not how these things work. When their favored programs don't work, well, that's different. That only proves we haven't done enough and need further investments.
Solyndra happened, so we must halt all green energy spending. Medicare fraud proves that program needs to be scrapped. On and on.
Of course, that's not how these things work. When their favored programs don't work, well, that's different. That only proves we haven't done enough and need further investments.
Posted by: Dave S. at August 21, 2013 06:26 PM (ma+gB)
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Or Demand All Men Be Brought to a High Level:
http://tinyurl.com/ls5w6vd
The pushback in the comments is really funny.
http://tinyurl.com/ls5w6vd
The pushback in the comments is really funny.
Posted by: PJ at August 21, 2013 06:27 PM (ZWaLo)
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This actually makes sense when SPLC's priorities are taken into account. When all considerations must take a back seat to equality this kind of thinking follows. Unfortunately for the kids who are deprived of the opportunity to move, it's the equality of a shitty education. As insane as it sounds, they'd prefer to see ALL kids get a bad education than SOME kids get a good one.
Posted by: Motorhead at August 21, 2013 06:27 PM (qAMin)
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Yes, if Obamacare won't insure everyone then it must be repealed.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 21, 2013 06:28 PM (ZPrif)
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I hate them all so much. Especially since, at least here in Texas, the anti voucher nut cases march to "Save our Schools". From.competition, clearly.
Posted by: Lauren at August 21, 2013 06:28 PM (ELdpj)
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How ironic that the Southern Poverty Law Ctr. Is fighting the VERY thing that could lift poor kids in the south out of poverty. Morons.
Posted by: Minnfidel at August 21, 2013 06:28 PM (3HJz7)
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Eventually I believe you will see straight up apartheid between the schools. The brightest kids will go to private schools and the scum will stay in private schools.
Posted by: Jmel at August 21, 2013 06:29 PM (cfFqn)
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The New Black Panther Party is a right wing organization.
Posted by: Mark Potok at August 21, 2013 06:29 PM (Aif/5)
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Looks like lots of kids and babies in addition to all the adults. I don't think either side values their little ones very much if they leave in the line of fire.
Looks like lots of kids and babies in addition to all the adults. I don't think either side values their little ones very much if they leave in the line of fire.
Posted by: Tuna at August 21, 2013 06:29 PM (M/TDA)
Posted by: Meremortal at August 21, 2013 06:30 PM (1Y+hH)
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wow the price you gotta pay to get away from the black kids
Posted by: Lady Billingsgate (of the North) at August 21, 2013 06:30 PM (TxNnM)
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Where are the parents?
Wait. Nevermind.
Posted by: No There There
You're obviously racist for asking that question. Probably in prison or on drugs though.
Where are the parents?
Wait. Nevermind.
Posted by: No There There
You're obviously racist for asking that question. Probably in prison or on drugs though.
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 21, 2013 06:31 PM (v1mq9)
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The Left's equality is when everyone is in a dirty hovel eating ramen noodles, except for the redistributor class.
Posted by: Cato at August 21, 2013 06:31 PM (jbXW9)
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SLPC is an enforcement racket, pure and simple.
The big deal in our state is that failing districts can be compelled to pay to send students who request it to other, less-failing districts. My alma mater has been unaccredited for years, and is involved in proceedings to dump their failures on numerous other districts through the region....
The big deal in our state is that failing districts can be compelled to pay to send students who request it to other, less-failing districts. My alma mater has been unaccredited for years, and is involved in proceedings to dump their failures on numerous other districts through the region....
Posted by: zsasz at August 21, 2013 06:31 PM (MMC8r)
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SPLC is just a stalking horse for the Democratic Party.
They are straight-up, cash-money mercenaries. Their job is to accuse white conservatives of being racist scum. Every day. They are paid to get the Republicans=Racist meme reported as often as humanly possible.
They are paid assassins. They don't give a shit about anyone.
SPLC is basically a terrorist organization. They will destroy whoever their progressive paymasters tell them to destroy.
They are straight-up, cash-money mercenaries. Their job is to accuse white conservatives of being racist scum. Every day. They are paid to get the Republicans=Racist meme reported as often as humanly possible.
They are paid assassins. They don't give a shit about anyone.
SPLC is basically a terrorist organization. They will destroy whoever their progressive paymasters tell them to destroy.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 21, 2013 06:32 PM (ZPrif)
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Anyone feel like Chick-fil-A? We've got maps to all their locations.
Posted by: splc at August 21, 2013 06:32 PM (joFbZ)
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#9
Why wouldn't the rebels gas their own side? The dead would be martyrs after all and would be accepted into paradise.
Why wouldn't the rebels gas their own side? The dead would be martyrs after all and would be accepted into paradise.
Posted by: Motorhead at August 21, 2013 06:32 PM (qAMin)
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Eventually I believe you will see straight up apartheid between the schools. The brightest kids will go to private schools and the scum will stay in private schools.
Close....but no. What you will see is the well to do being able to send their kids to private school, allowing them all the opportunities to advance (mainly with a mix of government work, some private sector work to make some much needed cash and, of course, non-for profit work where, hopefully, they have fully developed their skills in skimming so they can then send their kids to private school) while the poor are relegated to public schools who will, for all purposes, have stopped educating and gone full borne indoctornation of the youths.
Or, shorter translation......your boned.
Close....but no. What you will see is the well to do being able to send their kids to private school, allowing them all the opportunities to advance (mainly with a mix of government work, some private sector work to make some much needed cash and, of course, non-for profit work where, hopefully, they have fully developed their skills in skimming so they can then send their kids to private school) while the poor are relegated to public schools who will, for all purposes, have stopped educating and gone full borne indoctornation of the youths.
Or, shorter translation......your boned.
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at August 21, 2013 06:33 PM (OWjjx)
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Since when is poor a protected class? 2008?
Posted by: alexthechick - Team SMOD at August 21, 2013 06:33 PM (Gk3SS)
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SLPC is an enforcement racket, pure and simple.
Some defendant to a SLPC suit needs to counter sue under RICO just for shits and giggles. The discovery alone would be worth it.
Some defendant to a SLPC suit needs to counter sue under RICO just for shits and giggles. The discovery alone would be worth it.
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at August 21, 2013 06:34 PM (OWjjx)
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Businesses can't afford Obamacare. They should all sue.
Posted by: Said no one at the SPLC at August 21, 2013 06:34 PM (eHIJJ)
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Since when is poor a protected class? 2008?
The fact that you ask that question makes you a racist. Please denounce yourself promptly.
The fact that you ask that question makes you a racist. Please denounce yourself promptly.
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at August 21, 2013 06:34 PM (OWjjx)
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When everyone is destitute and has a boot on their neck, we will finally be equal.
And if that isn't good enough, there's always the equality of the grave. At least a quarter billion victims of leftism found that out in the last century.
But human existence is basically a learning disorder, so it will happen again, and again.
And if that isn't good enough, there's always the equality of the grave. At least a quarter billion victims of leftism found that out in the last century.
But human existence is basically a learning disorder, so it will happen again, and again.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 21, 2013 06:34 PM (qyfb5)
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OT - Ed Driscol has discovered that Obama's household might have been infiltrated by a *gasp* Republican! Enough information has been provided for the curious to trace the likely source of Obama's new dog to a specific breeder in Michigan. And the breeder in question has posted on her Facebook page that she's a Republican.
No word yet if the Obama girls will soon start attempting to experiment with the effects of Milton Friedman's economic theories on the dog bone market.
OT - Ed Driscol has discovered that Obama's household might have been infiltrated by a *gasp* Republican! Enough information has been provided for the curious to trace the likely source of Obama's new dog to a specific breeder in Michigan. And the breeder in question has posted on her Facebook page that she's a Republican.
No word yet if the Obama girls will soon start attempting to experiment with the effects of Milton Friedman's economic theories on the dog bone market.
Posted by: junior at August 21, 2013 06:36 PM (UWFpX)
Posted by: Jones in CO at August 21, 2013 06:37 PM (8sCoq)
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Dees is a bigger shitheel that Al Gore when it comes to making money off the libs. He's got a mansion in the Caribbean that probably cost as much as a high school to build.
I live in AL. Here's the deal: The Dems are about as popular in AL right now as leprosy. The GOP pretty much has them shut out of all three branches. The last session passed this bill to try and get kids out of failing public schools here because that's about the only kind of public school we have here.
The AL Dept of Ed and the teachers unions went batshit crazy. They've run a bunch of ads about how "turrible" this is and no one gives a shit since we all know the schools suck.
So enter the SPLC to try and do what the Dems always do when they don't get their way: Find a judge.
I live in AL. Here's the deal: The Dems are about as popular in AL right now as leprosy. The GOP pretty much has them shut out of all three branches. The last session passed this bill to try and get kids out of failing public schools here because that's about the only kind of public school we have here.
The AL Dept of Ed and the teachers unions went batshit crazy. They've run a bunch of ads about how "turrible" this is and no one gives a shit since we all know the schools suck.
So enter the SPLC to try and do what the Dems always do when they don't get their way: Find a judge.
Posted by: B at August 21, 2013 06:37 PM (6iEQd)
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How ironic that the Southern Poverty Law Ctr. Is fighting the VERY thing
that could lift poor kids in the south out of poverty. Morons.
Posted by: Minnfidel at August 21, 2013 06:28 PM (3HJz7)"
Why, it's almost as if they wanted those kids to remain in poverty. Maybe their goals are accurately reflected in their name.
How ironic that the Southern Poverty Law Ctr. Is fighting the VERY thing
that could lift poor kids in the south out of poverty. Morons.
Posted by: Minnfidel at August 21, 2013 06:28 PM (3HJz7)"
Why, it's almost as if they wanted those kids to remain in poverty. Maybe their goals are accurately reflected in their name.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at August 21, 2013 06:37 PM (31Nrp)
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31 Businesses can't afford Obamacare. They should all sue.
Posted by: Said no one at the SPLC at August 21, 2013 06:34 PM (eHIJJ)
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Why do some get waivers and others don't? Right? Discriminatory stuff right there. Scrap it.
Posted by: Said no one at the SPLC at August 21, 2013 06:34 PM (eHIJJ)
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Why do some get waivers and others don't? Right? Discriminatory stuff right there. Scrap it.
Posted by: Dave S. at August 21, 2013 06:38 PM (h1gQR)
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All the SPLC does is raise money and target conservatives nowadays.
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 21, 2013 06:38 PM (v1mq9)
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Let's get the SPLC and George Soros on a terrorist watch list. Drone strikes for them would be awesome.
Posted by: Per-Bert at August 21, 2013 06:38 PM (cK0tU)
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16 How ironic that the Southern Poverty Law Ctr. Is fighting the VERY thing that could lift poor kids in the south out of poverty. Morons.
Posted by: Minnfidel at August 21, 2013 06:28 PM (3HJz7)
Or maybe we're reading their name wrong - they're for the promotion Southern Poverty, not for working against it.
Posted by: Minnfidel at August 21, 2013 06:28 PM (3HJz7)
Or maybe we're reading their name wrong - they're for the promotion Southern Poverty, not for working against it.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 21, 2013 06:39 PM (v3pYe)
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Super OT: Cool Whelen Modifieds race going on right now at Bristol.
Modifieds are the red-headed step-child of Nascar. Been there since the beginning. Nascar's only open-wheeled division. Two regional series -- one in the northeast and one in the southeast.
Cool cars, cool look, fast. Never taken off as a national touring series. Perhaps because the cars don't have nearly as much room for sponsor advertising like Nascar's regular cars and trucks.
It's only on Fox Sports 2, though. Which most people don't get. Too obscure for FS1 so put on FS2. Just thankful it's not on the ocho.
Modifieds are the red-headed step-child of Nascar. Been there since the beginning. Nascar's only open-wheeled division. Two regional series -- one in the northeast and one in the southeast.
Cool cars, cool look, fast. Never taken off as a national touring series. Perhaps because the cars don't have nearly as much room for sponsor advertising like Nascar's regular cars and trucks.
It's only on Fox Sports 2, though. Which most people don't get. Too obscure for FS1 so put on FS2. Just thankful it's not on the ocho.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 21, 2013 06:40 PM (ZPrif)
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Do some research on the SPLC and you will discover that it is even worse than you think. Morris Dees is a fucking crook, as well as an America-hating leftist. He uses the SPLC as his personal money-making machine.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 21, 2013 06:40 PM (gqgiP)
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The Southern Poverty Law Center - Bringing Southern Poverty To Everyone Since 1971
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 21, 2013 06:41 PM (8ZskC)
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Look man, everything is politics with these mooks. Because politics is the path to power, and power features gin and hookers and other delights
they're smarter than you, they are morally superior to you, they deserve to be in charge, and they deserve the spoils that go with all that
It's for your own good, really, if you were just willing to think it through
oh- have some kool-aid
they're smarter than you, they are morally superior to you, they deserve to be in charge, and they deserve the spoils that go with all that
It's for your own good, really, if you were just willing to think it through
oh- have some kool-aid
Posted by: Jones in CO at August 21, 2013 06:41 PM (8sCoq)
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Does it strike anyone else as strange that Ace is linking to SLPC in one post and then ripping them in the next. Personally, I would prefer to rip them in two posts, and leave the Ron Paul exposes to the MSM. Trust me, they won't let you down in this regard if Rand is ever a serious candidate for higher office--or even his current one.
Posted by: Scanner Dan at August 21, 2013 06:41 PM (T4Ab6)
Posted by: L, elle at August 21, 2013 06:42 PM (0PiQ4)
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How dare you wingnuts say these horrible things about the SPLC.
They help animals like doggies in distress!
They help animals like doggies in distress!
Posted by: meeeeghan mccain at August 21, 2013 06:43 PM (joFbZ)
Posted by: Geddy Lee at August 21, 2013 06:43 PM (E7Iyp)
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Here in Ohio, the Columbus City School Board is introducing a levy to fund public schools and some privately run charter schools.
And all the lefties are outraged, OUTRAGED that the levies weren't split. "YOU JUST CAN'T LET PUBLIC SCHOOLS FAIL!!" they yell.
Well, why not? Columbus city schools are a wasteland of corruption and incompetence. And it hurts the kids who go to school there.
But the lefty parents don't care. We have to try to fix the PUBLIC SYSTEM and fuck what works in the private sector because OH NOES PROFITS YOU GUYS!!!
Needless to say my kids don't go to Columbus public schools and never will.
Here in Ohio, the Columbus City School Board is introducing a levy to fund public schools and some privately run charter schools.
And all the lefties are outraged, OUTRAGED that the levies weren't split. "YOU JUST CAN'T LET PUBLIC SCHOOLS FAIL!!" they yell.
Well, why not? Columbus city schools are a wasteland of corruption and incompetence. And it hurts the kids who go to school there.
But the lefty parents don't care. We have to try to fix the PUBLIC SYSTEM and fuck what works in the private sector because OH NOES PROFITS YOU GUYS!!!
Needless to say my kids don't go to Columbus public schools and never will.
Posted by: Warden at August 21, 2013 06:43 PM (HzhBE)
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 21, 2013 06:43 PM (v1mq9)
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"7 The SPLC has a huge endowment, plenty big to provide transportation for poor kids."
Dr Spank, this would occur to normal civic-minded people like yourself. SPLC is not in that business, they are in it to promote their favourite prejudices.
And if they were really concerned about those families and didn't have the funds to assist they could always organise a fund for this purpose where people could donate.
Dr Spank, this would occur to normal civic-minded people like yourself. SPLC is not in that business, they are in it to promote their favourite prejudices.
And if they were really concerned about those families and didn't have the funds to assist they could always organise a fund for this purpose where people could donate.
Posted by: Decaf at August 21, 2013 06:43 PM (pwBXq)
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Hello L, elle
Posted by: Jones in CO at August 21, 2013 06:44 PM (8sCoq)
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39 All the SPLC does is raise money and target conservatives nowadays.
Sadly, the ADL has the same business model.
Sadly, the ADL has the same business model.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 21, 2013 06:44 PM (T0NGe)
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Fox News @FoxNews 1m
San Diego Mayor hit by another sexual harassment accusation http://fxn.ws/1dtVNLO via @foxnewspolitics
San Diego Mayor hit by another sexual harassment accusation http://fxn.ws/1dtVNLO via @foxnewspolitics
Posted by: Jones in CO at August 21, 2013 06:46 PM (8sCoq)
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22 10
Where are the parents?
Wait. Nevermind.
Posted by: No There There
You're obviously racist for asking that question. Probably in prison or on drugs though.
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 21, 2013 06:31 PM (v1mq9)
Oh fuck that's what I thought.
Love to see the map of school districts there, seems odd
Where are the parents?
Wait. Nevermind.
Posted by: No There There
You're obviously racist for asking that question. Probably in prison or on drugs though.
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 21, 2013 06:31 PM (v1mq9)
Oh fuck that's what I thought.
Love to see the map of school districts there, seems odd
Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian, now with 50% more sensitivity at August 21, 2013 06:46 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: L, elle at August 21, 2013 06:46 PM (0PiQ4)
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On SPLC founder Morris Dees:
The positive contributions Dees has made to justice–most undertaken
based upon calculations as to their publicity and fund raising
potential–are far overshadowed by what Harper’s described as
his “flagrantly misleading” solicitations for money. He has raised
millions upon millions of dollars with various schemes, never mentioning
that he does not need the money because he has $175 million and two
“poverty palace” buildings in Montgomery. He has taken advantage of
naive, well-meaning people–some of moderate or low incomes–who believe
his pitches and give to his $175-million operation.
http://tinyurl.com/nxg2dwz
IOW, Morris Dees is a Progressive Tammy Faye Baker, a rich person bilking poor people for a bullshit cause.
The positive contributions Dees has made to justice–most undertaken
based upon calculations as to their publicity and fund raising
potential–are far overshadowed by what Harper’s described as
his “flagrantly misleading” solicitations for money. He has raised
millions upon millions of dollars with various schemes, never mentioning
that he does not need the money because he has $175 million and two
“poverty palace” buildings in Montgomery. He has taken advantage of
naive, well-meaning people–some of moderate or low incomes–who believe
his pitches and give to his $175-million operation.
http://tinyurl.com/nxg2dwz
IOW, Morris Dees is a Progressive Tammy Faye Baker, a rich person bilking poor people for a bullshit cause.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 21, 2013 06:46 PM (8ZskC)
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What part of our fair city dou hail from?
What part of our fair city dou hail from?
Posted by: Tuna at August 21, 2013 06:48 PM (M/TDA)
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>Do still No Go on Arizona?
Posted by: L, elle at August 21, 2013 06:46 PM (0PiQ4)
still in the dream stage
Posted by: L, elle at August 21, 2013 06:46 PM (0PiQ4)
still in the dream stage
Posted by: Jones in CO at August 21, 2013 06:48 PM (8sCoq)
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Tuna,
I'm in the suburbs. I used to live inside the city, but got the hell out before my oldest started kindergarten.
Tuna,
I'm in the suburbs. I used to live inside the city, but got the hell out before my oldest started kindergarten.
Posted by: Warden at August 21, 2013 06:48 PM (HzhBE)
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Dou = do you
Dou = do you
Posted by: Tuna at August 21, 2013 06:49 PM (M/TDA)
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Wiki:
Criticism
Dees has faced criticism that he uses too much of the Southern
Poverty Law Center's fundraising intake as personal income - and even
accusations that the SPLC exists mostly as a fundraising vehicle. A 2000
article by Ken Silverstein in Harper's Magazine,
titled "The Church of Morris Dees", alleged that Dees kept the SPLC
focused on fighting anti-minority groups like the KKK, instead of on
issues like homelessness, mostly because of the greater fundraising
potential of the former. The article also claimed that the SPLC "spends
twice as much on fund-raising--$5.76 million last year--as it does on
legal services for victims of civil rights abuses."[19]
In 2005, Washington Times editor Wesley Pruden called Dees "nothing more than a scam artist."[20] However, Pruden made this comment after the Southern Poverty Law Center accused him of using The Washington Times to push "extremist, neo-Confederate ideas."[21] Stephen Bright,
an Atlanta-based civil rights attorney, wrote in 2007 that Dees was "a
con man and fraud", who "has taken advantage of naive, well-meaning
people–some of moderate or low incomes–who believe his pitches and give
to his $175-million operation."[22]
Criticism
Dees has faced criticism that he uses too much of the Southern
Poverty Law Center's fundraising intake as personal income - and even
accusations that the SPLC exists mostly as a fundraising vehicle. A 2000
article by Ken Silverstein in Harper's Magazine,
titled "The Church of Morris Dees", alleged that Dees kept the SPLC
focused on fighting anti-minority groups like the KKK, instead of on
issues like homelessness, mostly because of the greater fundraising
potential of the former. The article also claimed that the SPLC "spends
twice as much on fund-raising--$5.76 million last year--as it does on
legal services for victims of civil rights abuses."[19]
In 2005, Washington Times editor Wesley Pruden called Dees "nothing more than a scam artist."[20] However, Pruden made this comment after the Southern Poverty Law Center accused him of using The Washington Times to push "extremist, neo-Confederate ideas."[21] Stephen Bright,
an Atlanta-based civil rights attorney, wrote in 2007 that Dees was "a
con man and fraud", who "has taken advantage of naive, well-meaning
people–some of moderate or low incomes–who believe his pitches and give
to his $175-million operation."[22]
Posted by: zsasz at August 21, 2013 06:49 PM (MMC8r)
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NorthEastern Liberal Elites know what's best for poor (minority?) kids in the South. Never mind that their kids attende private schools.
Top Men and all that other stuff.
Top Men and all that other stuff.
Posted by: The Narrative at August 21, 2013 06:49 PM (UrtRh)
Posted by: Scanner Dan at August 21, 2013 06:50 PM (T4Ab6)
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We have been on the tour of crappy school systems. Louisiana, Ohio, Arkansas, and now Alabama. Arkansas was truly eye opening. I felt so bad for the kids who had to get up so early to catch the bus due to the mandatory diversity schemes. Standing out to catch a ride at 0630 and riding for 40 minutes is just crappy. My kids go to Catholic school, and I'm thankful everyday that we can send them. Of course, I'd eat beans, clip coupons, and sell my blood if I had to to afford it.
Posted by: no good deed at August 21, 2013 06:50 PM (WmLrU)
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17 Eventually I believe you will see straight up apartheid between the schools. The brightest kids will go to private schools and the scum will stay in private schools.
Posted by: Jmel at August 21, 2013 06:29 PM (cfFqn)
___________
This is already the case in the most liberal cities. DC, NYC, LA, Seattle....publics schools are basically detention centers for future criminals. Middle and upper middle class kids all attend private schools.
Posted by: Jmel at August 21, 2013 06:29 PM (cfFqn)
___________
This is already the case in the most liberal cities. DC, NYC, LA, Seattle....publics schools are basically detention centers for future criminals. Middle and upper middle class kids all attend private schools.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at August 21, 2013 06:50 PM (HDgX3)
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Morris Dees hasn't done nothing since Jungle Love.
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 21, 2013 06:51 PM (v1mq9)
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uh oh- bikini bike wash @H-D dealer just down the road, Saturday morning
Posted by: Jones in CO at August 21, 2013 06:51 PM (8sCoq)
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The Montgomery Advertiser (owned by Gannett) did a puff piece on Dees several years ago. In the midst of fluffing him, they published about 60 pics of his local home in all its 1% glory.
Although you can still find them online, the Advertiser dropped them down the memory hole when someone decided doing a Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous on the founder of a poverty center was a retarded idea.
What's little known is that Morris has a brother in Montgomery who is a big right winger Republican and has been co-owner of a hugely successful gun store in town for decades. And no, he won't talk about Morris if you bring it up...
Although you can still find them online, the Advertiser dropped them down the memory hole when someone decided doing a Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous on the founder of a poverty center was a retarded idea.
What's little known is that Morris has a brother in Montgomery who is a big right winger Republican and has been co-owner of a hugely successful gun store in town for decades. And no, he won't talk about Morris if you bring it up...
Posted by: B at August 21, 2013 06:51 PM (6iEQd)
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I couldn't help wondering: Could he maybe catch a ride with another kid?
There you go trying to mansplain things to a woman. When will you people ever learn?
There you go trying to mansplain things to a woman. When will you people ever learn?
Posted by: bonhomme at August 21, 2013 06:52 PM (WhJf8)
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There's actually a shift in power in Ohio as Columbus keeps growing as metros like Cleveland, Akron, Toledo, etc, keep shrinking.
Increasingly it's a competitive advantage for a city to be the capital and to have the big state university.
Increasingly it's a competitive advantage for a city to be the capital and to have the big state university.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 21, 2013 06:52 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: zsasz at August 21, 2013 06:52 PM (MMC8r)
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All the people at work whose kids go to city schools have stories that raise the hair on my head. The new superintendent is from a large suburban district. I'm sure his intentions are good but can't see what good anything will do at this point.
All the people at work whose kids go to city schools have stories that raise the hair on my head. The new superintendent is from a large suburban district. I'm sure his intentions are good but can't see what good anything will do at this point.
Posted by: Tuna at August 21, 2013 06:53 PM (M/TDA)
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The Montgomery Advertiser (owned by Gannett) did a puff piece on Dees
several years ago. In the midst of fluffing him, they published about 60
pics of his local home in all its 1% glory.
Poverty pimpin' FTW!
several years ago. In the midst of fluffing him, they published about 60
pics of his local home in all its 1% glory.
Poverty pimpin' FTW!
Posted by: Jesse, Al, and Morris at August 21, 2013 06:54 PM (MMC8r)
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>>> still in the dream stage
Jones, just like my dreams of replacing this retarded swamp cooler bullshit for real AC.
If it's any consolation, summer isn't the time to visit AZ.
My latest cause is Northern Colorado seceding and forming a 51st state. Also, in the dream stage.
Jones, just like my dreams of replacing this retarded swamp cooler bullshit for real AC.
If it's any consolation, summer isn't the time to visit AZ.
My latest cause is Northern Colorado seceding and forming a 51st state. Also, in the dream stage.
Posted by: L, elle at August 21, 2013 06:55 PM (0PiQ4)
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Columbus city schools opened their school year without enough school bus drivers because the douchebag administrators didn't have the contracts locked up. I guess they just didn't know what day school started, huh?
So now all the kids are delayed in getting home by up to an hour. No hassle for the parents, right?
Here's the fun part. The bus contracts were handled by a private company up until this year when the school administrators decided they could handle things better than those greedy private sector profit-mongers.
Columbus city schools opened their school year without enough school bus drivers because the douchebag administrators didn't have the contracts locked up. I guess they just didn't know what day school started, huh?
So now all the kids are delayed in getting home by up to an hour. No hassle for the parents, right?
Here's the fun part. The bus contracts were handled by a private company up until this year when the school administrators decided they could handle things better than those greedy private sector profit-mongers.
Posted by: Warden at August 21, 2013 06:55 PM (HzhBE)
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uh oh- bikini bike wash @H-D dealer just down the road, Saturday morning
Why is this "uh-oh"?
Also, we'll be expecting pics.
Why is this "uh-oh"?
Also, we'll be expecting pics.
Posted by: Waterhouse at August 21, 2013 06:56 PM (3FoJj)
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All of the big shots in DC are against vouchers and school choice as well. DC public schools are SPECTACULAR FAILURES, and yet our betters will not allow mostly poor black kids to escape the DC Public School Plantation. It is criminal really. I think the cost to not educate these kids is close to 13 grand a year. That would buy a great private education in most parts of the country.
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at August 21, 2013 06:56 PM (jucos)
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Yes, Ace, the left wants to destroy society, except that ....
Somebody has to ride in the Zil limousines and own the Black Sea dachas. That would be them.
Somebody has to ride in the Zil limousines and own the Black Sea dachas. That would be them.
Posted by: ToursLepantoVienna at August 21, 2013 06:56 PM (UlI/7)
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72
Funny thing about the liberal elite at OSU. I think most of them live in the suburbs so their kids go to decent schools. I know my little burb is packed full of them.
Funny thing about the liberal elite at OSU. I think most of them live in the suburbs so their kids go to decent schools. I know my little burb is packed full of them.
Posted by: Tuna at August 21, 2013 06:57 PM (M/TDA)
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If anyone is looking for a laugh the ronulans have started to show up in his thread.
Posted by: Buzzion at August 21, 2013 06:58 PM (8y1vs)
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Tuna,
Most of thewhite liberals with school age kids have fled to the suburbs just like everyone else. Now why would that be? Don't they celebrate diversity? Aren't all public school teachers the bestest, most hardest working people in the universe?
Tuna,
Most of thewhite liberals with school age kids have fled to the suburbs just like everyone else. Now why would that be? Don't they celebrate diversity? Aren't all public school teachers the bestest, most hardest working people in the universe?
Posted by: Warden at August 21, 2013 06:59 PM (HzhBE)
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LOL. So much for the rosy, hopeful picture I heard the new super painting on morning drive time radio a couple of weeks ago.
LOL. So much for the rosy, hopeful picture I heard the new super painting on morning drive time radio a couple of weeks ago.
Posted by: Tuna at August 21, 2013 07:00 PM (M/TDA)
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My latest cause is Northern Colorado seceding and forming a 51st state. Also, in the dream stage.
Posted by: L, elle at August 21, 2013 06:55 PM (0PiQ4)
2 more counties are interested in joining up
Also, we'll be expecting pics.
Posted by: Waterhouse at August 21, 2013 06:56 PM (3FoJj)
I will- you know, my bike is so dirty.... so.... dirty...
Posted by: L, elle at August 21, 2013 06:55 PM (0PiQ4)
2 more counties are interested in joining up
Also, we'll be expecting pics.
Posted by: Waterhouse at August 21, 2013 06:56 PM (3FoJj)
I will- you know, my bike is so dirty.... so.... dirty...
Posted by: Jones in CO at August 21, 2013 07:00 PM (8sCoq)
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The left is always talking about the equality, especially equality over freedom. If your goal is equality then what state is more equal then enslavement... with a special group of overseers of course who have taken upon themselves the burden of being slightly more equal. The future is a boot stamping down on a human face forever.
Posted by: Drew in MO at August 21, 2013 07:00 PM (cGlgB)
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Pauper the successful.
Scar the beautiful.
Maim those with physical prowess.
Lobotomies for the intelligent.
Presto chango we're all equal.
Scar the beautiful.
Maim those with physical prowess.
Lobotomies for the intelligent.
Presto chango we're all equal.
Posted by: Angel with a sword at August 21, 2013 07:01 PM (pXV0o)
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It's Hunger Games at both the federal and state level. More and more money is sucked out and siphoned to the capital and flagship universities.
Flagship unis also usually have a top tier medical school and hospital and those suck up huge amounts of tax money.
Flagship unis also usually have a top tier medical school and hospital and those suck up huge amounts of tax money.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 21, 2013 07:02 PM (ZPrif)
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The CO '51st state' thing will never get past Congress, because it would almost certainly mean 2 more Republican Senators, and that will be the battle line
Posted by: Jones in CO at August 21, 2013 07:02 PM (8sCoq)
90
This is why you should always be wary of compromise with the left - they inherently suck at living.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 21, 2013 07:02 PM (uhAkr)
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One of the differences between me and left winger is that I don't feel any shame in protecting my kids from dysfunctional, destructive cultures and crappy schools. In fact, I'm proud of it. They are my top priority and fuck everyone else. I'm not the one creating the problems.
But these fucking leftists... Oh, they're running away from the same things. It's just that they won't admit it. Or take any responsibility for their policies and the damage they create.
One of the differences between me and left winger is that I don't feel any shame in protecting my kids from dysfunctional, destructive cultures and crappy schools. In fact, I'm proud of it. They are my top priority and fuck everyone else. I'm not the one creating the problems.
But these fucking leftists... Oh, they're running away from the same things. It's just that they won't admit it. Or take any responsibility for their policies and the damage they create.
Posted by: Warden at August 21, 2013 07:03 PM (HzhBE)
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I was curious why the nearest private school was thirty miles away. Mariah Russaw lives in the Barbour County school district according to the article. Go look at Clayton, AL on the map. It's in freaking nowhere. Clayton has 1,500 people in it. If you're so poor that you have to live in the middle of nowhere to get a decent price on your home, you're going to suffer some privation. That's just how things are. Sorry, Mariah, but you'd be better served in a place that wasn't surrounded by a whole lot of nothing.
Posted by: bonhomme at August 21, 2013 07:03 PM (IoTdl)
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If they really were progressive, wouldn't they pay people for beneficial behavior instead of destructive behavior? Why couldn't we pay welfare mothers not to have children instead of rewarding by the head?
As always, the answer must lie with rewarding Democrat voters somehow
If they really were progressive, wouldn't they pay people for beneficial behavior instead of destructive behavior? Why couldn't we pay welfare mothers not to have children instead of rewarding by the head?
As always, the answer must lie with rewarding Democrat voters somehow
Posted by: pooter hound at August 21, 2013 07:03 PM (HASJZ)
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90 This is why you should always be wary of compromise with the left - they inherently suck at living.
Slight correction: they suck the life out of everyone.
Slight correction: they suck the life out of everyone.
Posted by: Angel with a sword at August 21, 2013 07:04 PM (pXV0o)
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89
The CO '51st state' thing will never get past Congress, because it would
almost certainly mean 2 more Republican Senators, and that will be the
battle line
Posted by: Jones in CO
Colorado II in, Texas out. Problem solved.
The CO '51st state' thing will never get past Congress, because it would
almost certainly mean 2 more Republican Senators, and that will be the
battle line
Posted by: Jones in CO
Colorado II in, Texas out. Problem solved.
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 21, 2013 07:04 PM (v1mq9)
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89
Fun to raise a little hell though.
Fun to raise a little hell though.
Posted by: Tuna at August 21, 2013 07:04 PM (M/TDA)
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Posted by: Warden at August 21, 2013 06:43 PM (HzhBE)
Wasn't there a movie in the 80's describing the shitty Columbus schools? Nick Nolte was in it.
Wasn't there a movie in the 80's describing the shitty Columbus schools? Nick Nolte was in it.
Posted by: Per-Bert at August 21, 2013 07:04 PM (cK0tU)
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Per-Bert,
I don't know, but if you haven't seen the documentaries The Lottery and Waiting for Superman, do so. They're both on Netflix Streaming and I watched them after ace reviewed them in a post.
Per-Bert,
I don't know, but if you haven't seen the documentaries The Lottery and Waiting for Superman, do so. They're both on Netflix Streaming and I watched them after ace reviewed them in a post.
Posted by: Warden at August 21, 2013 07:05 PM (HzhBE)
Posted by: Tuna at August 21, 2013 07:05 PM (M/TDA)
Posted by: Fiddler On The Public School Roof at August 21, 2013 07:06 PM (KqjCu)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at August 21, 2013 07:06 PM (0HooB)
102
Government Union of School Teachers [GUST] seems more fitting.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 21, 2013 07:06 PM (xDfWx)
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There isn't really much evidence charter schools will fix a damn. The problem really isn't bad schools. It's bad students.
Scandinavian countries have super-union, uber-socialist, govt schools and yet produce some of the best educated (by international test scores) kids on the planet.
You can't fix stupid.
Scandinavian countries have super-union, uber-socialist, govt schools and yet produce some of the best educated (by international test scores) kids on the planet.
You can't fix stupid.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 21, 2013 07:07 PM (ZPrif)
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97
Columbus just got rid of a particularly bad superintendent. Set the system back years and it was already in the dark ages.
Columbus just got rid of a particularly bad superintendent. Set the system back years and it was already in the dark ages.
Posted by: Tuna at August 21, 2013 07:07 PM (M/TDA)
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This issue should drive us all bat-shit over the edge bonkers. Why the left rates it OK to just write off poor kids to preserve the union monopoly is beyond me. Soviet-style.
Posted by: MTF at August 21, 2013 07:08 PM (z6Elp)
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A few years ago, an audit revealed that Columbus schools couldn't account for millions of dollars in school property. As in, these items had been purchased, but no one could find them. Among the items, a riding lawnmower and a piano.
Oh, but hey we need to raise your taxes again. For the children. And please ignore that we spend almost $14,000 per child while the suburban schools spend $10,000 and have far better results. Not our fault.
A few years ago, an audit revealed that Columbus schools couldn't account for millions of dollars in school property. As in, these items had been purchased, but no one could find them. Among the items, a riding lawnmower and a piano.
Oh, but hey we need to raise your taxes again. For the children. And please ignore that we spend almost $14,000 per child while the suburban schools spend $10,000 and have far better results. Not our fault.
Posted by: Warden at August 21, 2013 07:10 PM (HzhBE)
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Whats wrong with making everyone equally ugly or fat or handicapped? Or illiterate?
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at August 21, 2013 07:11 PM (UeUjL)
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[103There isn't really much evidence charter schools will fix a damn. The problem really isn't bad schools. It's bad students.]
There is evidence that they can fix the problem. Watch Waiting for Superman and The Lottery.
[103There isn't really much evidence charter schools will fix a damn. The problem really isn't bad schools. It's bad students.]
There is evidence that they can fix the problem. Watch Waiting for Superman and The Lottery.
Posted by: Warden at August 21, 2013 07:12 PM (HzhBE)
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Even the best teachers can't do much for a kid with an IQ of 80 and no impulse control.
Know what a great teacher sounds like to somebody with an IQ of 80 -- like somebody who talks like a fag and who's shit is all retarded.
You can't fix stupid.
Know what a great teacher sounds like to somebody with an IQ of 80 -- like somebody who talks like a fag and who's shit is all retarded.
You can't fix stupid.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 21, 2013 07:12 PM (ZPrif)
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A few years ago, an audit revealed that Columbus schools couldn't
account for millions of dollars in school property. As in, these items
had been purchased, but no one could find them. Among the items, a
riding lawnmower and a piano.
Oh, but hey we need to raise your taxes again. For the children. And
please ignore that we spend almost $14,000 per child while the suburban
schools spend $10,000 and have far better results. Not our fault.
Real reason my wife doesn't want to work for a private school: They pay less.
account for millions of dollars in school property. As in, these items
had been purchased, but no one could find them. Among the items, a
riding lawnmower and a piano.
Oh, but hey we need to raise your taxes again. For the children. And
please ignore that we spend almost $14,000 per child while the suburban
schools spend $10,000 and have far better results. Not our fault.
Real reason my wife doesn't want to work for a private school: They pay less.
Posted by: bonhomme at August 21, 2013 07:12 PM (QehQP)
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Case several years ago: All Boys Public School w/mostly male teachers.
Experiment to help compensate for 1)missing fathers and 2)mostly female teachers handing out detention to boys for being boys.
Parent/Grandparent (?) of girl sued to enroll her daughter. Claimed the girl had just as much right to participate in an experiment program for better grades as any boy did. She won.
Experiment to help compensate for 1)missing fathers and 2)mostly female teachers handing out detention to boys for being boys.
Parent/Grandparent (?) of girl sued to enroll her daughter. Claimed the girl had just as much right to participate in an experiment program for better grades as any boy did. She won.
Posted by: Adriane... at August 21, 2013 07:13 PM (/yH2j)
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Speaking of packed-full-of-shit snake oil salesmen, Drudge has a link to a WaPo fluffer interview with Al Gore.
I still maintain the 2000 election drove what was already a tenuous grasp of sanity right off a cliff. The comments are brutal.
I still maintain the 2000 election drove what was already a tenuous grasp of sanity right off a cliff. The comments are brutal.
Posted by: B at August 21, 2013 07:13 PM (6iEQd)
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108
And absent non caring parent(s).
And absent non caring parent(s).
Posted by: Tuna at August 21, 2013 07:13 PM (M/TDA)
114
Documentaries aren't evidence. They are just a pretty anecdote.
Evidence requires things like actual data and statistics. I don't give a shit about documentaries.
Evidence requires things like actual data and statistics. I don't give a shit about documentaries.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 21, 2013 07:13 PM (ZPrif)
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We shall all find equality in the dirt.
And, when it rains, it rains, and we shall roll in the mud, and eat from the taxpayers trough.
We shall all find equality in the dirt.
And, when it rains, it rains, and we shall roll in the mud, and eat from the taxpayers trough.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 21, 2013 07:15 PM (IXrOn)
116
Poverty IS the law!
Posted by: SPLC at August 21, 2013 07:15 PM (tIcJF)
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Flatbush Joe,
You can't present evidence in a documentary? That's a surprise to me.
Why the aggressive tone?
Flatbush Joe,
You can't present evidence in a documentary? That's a surprise to me.
Why the aggressive tone?
Posted by: Warden at August 21, 2013 07:15 PM (HzhBE)
118
The Left's equality is when everyone is in a dirty hovel eating ramen noodles, except for the redistributor class.
Posted by: Cato at August 21, 2013 06:31 PM (jbXW9)
*****
Yeah...
...hey wait a sec. You have dirt in you hovel? Freaking one-percenter!"
The Left's equality is when everyone is in a dirty hovel eating ramen noodles, except for the redistributor class.
Posted by: Cato at August 21, 2013 06:31 PM (jbXW9)
*****
Yeah...
...hey wait a sec. You have dirt in you hovel? Freaking one-percenter!"
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 21, 2013 07:15 PM (pxDth)
119
Most educational "reforms" can't scale.
A one-off experiment might succeed due to self-selected students and teachers and motivated staff and researchers.
But to scale it has to work with regular dumb, lazy students and regular dumb, lazy teachers.
There's no magic bullet.
Most students that do poorly do so because they are dumb or lazy or both.
Not much short of genetic engineering is gonna change that.
A one-off experiment might succeed due to self-selected students and teachers and motivated staff and researchers.
But to scale it has to work with regular dumb, lazy students and regular dumb, lazy teachers.
There's no magic bullet.
Most students that do poorly do so because they are dumb or lazy or both.
Not much short of genetic engineering is gonna change that.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 21, 2013 07:16 PM (ZPrif)
120
But there are so many movies where some creative teacher takes a bunch of cud-chewing mutants and turns them into scholars! Come on! Serious you guys...
Posted by: Jones in CO at August 21, 2013 07:17 PM (8sCoq)
121
Even the best teachers can't do much for a kid with an IQ of 80 and no impulse control.
Know what a great teacher sounds like to somebody with an IQ of 80
-- like somebody who talks like a fag and who's shit is all retarded.
You can't fix stupid.
Several schools here have Native American kids in attendance. The kids prefer the school on the Rez because they don't do discipline, at all. When they act out too badly, they get kicked out, and go to public school. Then when the new year starts, they do it all over again. Basically the kids just kill time, no studying, no trying, no engaging. Teachers try, but you can't shove knowledge into a head that isn't listening.
Know what a great teacher sounds like to somebody with an IQ of 80
-- like somebody who talks like a fag and who's shit is all retarded.
You can't fix stupid.
Several schools here have Native American kids in attendance. The kids prefer the school on the Rez because they don't do discipline, at all. When they act out too badly, they get kicked out, and go to public school. Then when the new year starts, they do it all over again. Basically the kids just kill time, no studying, no trying, no engaging. Teachers try, but you can't shove knowledge into a head that isn't listening.
Posted by: bonhomme at August 21, 2013 07:17 PM (QehQP)
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>..hey wait a sec. You have dirt in you hovel? Freaking one-percenter!"
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 21, 2013 07:15 PM (pxDth)
you have a hovel? fannnn-ceeeee
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 21, 2013 07:15 PM (pxDth)
you have a hovel? fannnn-ceeeee
Posted by: Jones in CO at August 21, 2013 07:17 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Yep at August 21, 2013 07:18 PM (6sqK6)
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As in, these items had been purchased, but no one could find them. Among the items, a riding lawnmower and a piano.
*****
I don't see a problem with that.
As in, these items had been purchased, but no one could find them. Among the items, a riding lawnmower and a piano.
*****
I don't see a problem with that.
Posted by: Liberace's Landscaping Service at August 21, 2013 07:18 PM (pxDth)
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Scandinavian countries have super-union, uber-socialist, govt schools and yet produce some of the best educated (by international test scores) kids on the planet.
You can't fix stupid.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe
Apparently not.
Sweden has vouchers.
You can't fix stupid.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe
Apparently not.
Sweden has vouchers.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 21, 2013 07:18 PM (hSwFv)
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We used to dream of a hovel!
Posted by: B at August 21, 2013 07:18 PM (6iEQd)
127
Evidence requires things like actual data and statistics. I don't give a shit about documentaries.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hey now, I was told there would be NO math...
Posted by: Flatbush Joe
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hey now, I was told there would be NO math...
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at August 21, 2013 07:18 PM (UeUjL)
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Have you ever tried to bring up bad teachers on a public forum like yahoo? Relatives just come out of the woodwork to explain that Mom/sister/aunt judy were the greatest teachers in the universe, and how dare you suggest that any teacher is not worth making 65-70k a year or more.
Posted by: Drew in MO at August 21, 2013 07:18 PM (cGlgB)
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You can't present evidence in a documentary? That's a surprise to me. Why the aggressive tone?
Posted by: Warden at August 21, 2013 07:15 PM (HzhBE)
I think he's getting at that a presentation of evidence is not evidence.
Just like a wiki article is not a citation, though it has a collection of citations.
Posted by: Warden at August 21, 2013 07:15 PM (HzhBE)
I think he's getting at that a presentation of evidence is not evidence.
Just like a wiki article is not a citation, though it has a collection of citations.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 21, 2013 07:19 PM (sGtp+)
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[Most students that do poorly do so because they are dumb or lazy or both.]
Even dumb students can improve. Laziness is partially cultural. Schools influence culture.
Would you argue that public education isn't doing a worse job in educating kids than 40-50 years ago?
[Most students that do poorly do so because they are dumb or lazy or both.]
Even dumb students can improve. Laziness is partially cultural. Schools influence culture.
Would you argue that public education isn't doing a worse job in educating kids than 40-50 years ago?
Posted by: Warden at August 21, 2013 07:19 PM (HzhBE)
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114 Documentaries aren't evidence. They are just a pretty anecdote.
Evidence requires things like actual data and statistics. I don't give a shit about documentaries.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 21, 2013 07:13 PM (ZPrif)
Evidence like "all kids in the school are stupid and nothing can be done period" statements you are making? Oh yeah that's some rock solid research there.
Evidence requires things like actual data and statistics. I don't give a shit about documentaries.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 21, 2013 07:13 PM (ZPrif)
Evidence like "all kids in the school are stupid and nothing can be done period" statements you are making? Oh yeah that's some rock solid research there.
Posted by: Buzzion at August 21, 2013 07:19 PM (8y1vs)
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I'm no fan of the teacher's unions. Chiseling leftists.
Megan McArdle (libertarian econ-writer) has done good pieces looking at the evidence for school reform. It's just weak.
And I do just generally hate documentaries. They are emotionally manipulative and a poor way to understand the world. It's 99 parts emotion to 1 part data and that's a poor way to analyze public policy.
Megan McArdle (libertarian econ-writer) has done good pieces looking at the evidence for school reform. It's just weak.
And I do just generally hate documentaries. They are emotionally manipulative and a poor way to understand the world. It's 99 parts emotion to 1 part data and that's a poor way to analyze public policy.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 21, 2013 07:20 PM (ZPrif)
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If we just made that figure $4,000,000,000 all would be right with the world. Surely that would be enough, right?
Posted by: dfbaskwill at August 21, 2013 07:20 PM (ndlFj)
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we had a hole in the ground and were happy to have it
Posted by: Jones in CO at August 21, 2013 07:20 PM (8sCoq)
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you have a hovel? fannnn-ceeeee
Posted by: Jones in CO at August 21, 2013 07:17 PM (8sCoq)
*****
And I suppose you had noodles in your Ramen...
...well lah-dee-dah!
you have a hovel? fannnn-ceeeee
Posted by: Jones in CO at August 21, 2013 07:17 PM (8sCoq)
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And I suppose you had noodles in your Ramen...
...well lah-dee-dah!
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 21, 2013 07:20 PM (pxDth)
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Fen's Law explains all.
Posted by: toby928© embraces the suck at August 21, 2013 07:21 PM (QupBk)
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Not much short of genetic engineering is gonna change that.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 21, 2013 07:16 PM (ZPrif)
Genes are not destiny, and you discount the amount of damage our malicious educational systems are doing.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 21, 2013 07:16 PM (ZPrif)
Genes are not destiny, and you discount the amount of damage our malicious educational systems are doing.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 21, 2013 07:22 PM (oY6Yp)
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The State of NC is being sued to stop their new voter ID law by this woman:
“Mrs. Eaton, who was born at home, has a current North Carolina driver’s license, but the name on her certified birth certificate does not match the name on her driver’s license or the name on her voter registration card,” the lawsuit notes. “Mrs. Eaton will incur substantial time and expense to correct her identification documents to match her voter registration record in order to meet the new requirements.”
So..., it would be 'a hardship' for her to straighten this out, and it's NC's fault.
“Mrs. Eaton, who was born at home, has a current North Carolina driver’s license, but the name on her certified birth certificate does not match the name on her driver’s license or the name on her voter registration card,” the lawsuit notes. “Mrs. Eaton will incur substantial time and expense to correct her identification documents to match her voter registration record in order to meet the new requirements.”
So..., it would be 'a hardship' for her to straighten this out, and it's NC's fault.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at August 21, 2013 07:24 PM (aDwsi)
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Raman IS NOODLES!!! TELL THEM!! RAMAAANN IIISSSS NOOOODDDLLLEEESSS!!!!
Posted by: Chuck H at August 21, 2013 07:24 PM (E7Iyp)
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As in, these items had been purchased, but no one could find them. Among the items, a riding lawnmower and a piano.
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Come on People! I'm MULTI-tasking here! Puhleeze!
As in, these items had been purchased, but no one could find them. Among the items, a riding lawnmower and a piano.
*****
Come on People! I'm MULTI-tasking here! Puhleeze!
Posted by: Liberace's Lawn Service at August 21, 2013 07:24 PM (pxDth)
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And I do just generally hate documentaries. They are emotionally manipulative and a poor way to understand the world. It's 99 parts emotion to 1 part data and that's a poor way to analyze public policy.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 21, 2013 07:20 PM (ZPrif)
I get that. I hate being given a video link of a newsreader instead of a plain text article. The news-reader's emoting isn't adding to the information content of the reporting.
Double-hate the smug sneering snark of something like The Daily Show. Clownish antics by your newsreader does not make your news more objective or informative.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 21, 2013 07:20 PM (ZPrif)
I get that. I hate being given a video link of a newsreader instead of a plain text article. The news-reader's emoting isn't adding to the information content of the reporting.
Double-hate the smug sneering snark of something like The Daily Show. Clownish antics by your newsreader does not make your news more objective or informative.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 21, 2013 07:27 PM (sGtp+)
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The State of NC is being sued to stop their new voter ID law by this woman:
“Mrs.
Eaton, who was born at home, has a current North Carolina driver’s
license, but the name on her certified birth certificate does not match
the name on her driver’s license or the name on her voter registration
card,” the lawsuit notes. “Mrs. Eaton will incur substantial time and
expense to correct her identification documents to match her voter
registration record in order to meet the new requirements.”
Wait, what? Why are her documents out of order? She changed her name because she got married, right? So her BC is naturally out of sync with that. But why is her voter registration and DL being out of sync worth a lawsuit? Fix it, dummy. Aren't there laws about having correct information on your official documents?
“Mrs.
Eaton, who was born at home, has a current North Carolina driver’s
license, but the name on her certified birth certificate does not match
the name on her driver’s license or the name on her voter registration
card,” the lawsuit notes. “Mrs. Eaton will incur substantial time and
expense to correct her identification documents to match her voter
registration record in order to meet the new requirements.”
Wait, what? Why are her documents out of order? She changed her name because she got married, right? So her BC is naturally out of sync with that. But why is her voter registration and DL being out of sync worth a lawsuit? Fix it, dummy. Aren't there laws about having correct information on your official documents?
Posted by: bonhomme at August 21, 2013 07:28 PM (45N4D)
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So..., it would be 'a hardship' for her to straighten this out, and it's NC's fault. Posted by: Mike Hammer at August 21, 2013 07:24 PM (aDwsi)
Tolerate risk voter fraud for the convenience of a single person's vote.
Never mind that voter fraud devalues every voter's vote.
Tolerate risk voter fraud for the convenience of a single person's vote.
Never mind that voter fraud devalues every voter's vote.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 21, 2013 07:28 PM (oY6Yp)
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Raman IS NOODLES!!! TELL THEM!! RAMAAANN IIISSSS NOOOODDDLLLEEESSS!!!!
Ramen noodles are some form of styrofoam.
Ramen noodles are some form of styrofoam.
Posted by: bonhomme at August 21, 2013 07:29 PM (45N4D)
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It is true that you cannot teach someone who doesn't want to learn. It is also true that many teachers really don't teach as much as they instruct kids on how to pass the 'standardized' tests. And I don't even want to get started on 504 and Special Ed programs.
I'm gonna help my kids home school their brats to the maximum extent practicable. I might even retire to do it.
I'm gonna help my kids home school their brats to the maximum extent practicable. I might even retire to do it.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at August 21, 2013 07:30 PM (UeUjL)
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Wait, what? Why are her documents out of order? She changed her name because she got married, right? So her BC is naturally out of sync with that. But why is her voter registration and DL being out of sync worth a lawsuit? Fix it, dummy. Aren't there laws about having correct information on your official documents?
Posted by: bonhomme at August 21, 2013 07:28 PM (45N4D)
The amount of legal effort expended on suing the state probably exceeds the legal effort to fix her own documentation by an order of magnitude.
Wonder how she votes?
Posted by: bonhomme at August 21, 2013 07:28 PM (45N4D)
The amount of legal effort expended on suing the state probably exceeds the legal effort to fix her own documentation by an order of magnitude.
Wonder how she votes?
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 21, 2013 07:30 PM (sGtp+)
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>Ramen noodles are some form of styrofoam.
Posted by: bonhomme at August 21, 2013 07:29 PM (45N4D)<
I thought they were some form of weasel.
Posted by: bonhomme at August 21, 2013 07:29 PM (45N4D)<
I thought they were some form of weasel.
Posted by: Muad 'dib at August 21, 2013 07:31 PM (PlTXA)
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I'm sure some modest improvements can be made. Just not expecting much.
Again, some of the best school systems on the planet are run the exact way we are saying is the worst, most terrible way to run a school system. How is that possible? Better raw materials.
Throughout America you'll find one county public school vastly superior to another county public school not far away. Both run under the same system. The difference? Better raw materials.
If the system is the problem why is there such variety among schools run under the exact same system?
Again, some of the best school systems on the planet are run the exact way we are saying is the worst, most terrible way to run a school system. How is that possible? Better raw materials.
Throughout America you'll find one county public school vastly superior to another county public school not far away. Both run under the same system. The difference? Better raw materials.
If the system is the problem why is there such variety among schools run under the exact same system?
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 21, 2013 07:31 PM (ZPrif)
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New Orleans public schools were ranked last or near last with standardized test scores. Charter schools reversed that sad statistic within just a few years under Jindal.
Teachers Unions own the failure of public education especially in the inner city.
Too bad we don't have a party that can say so.
Teachers Unions own the failure of public education especially in the inner city.
Too bad we don't have a party that can say so.
Posted by: L, elle at August 21, 2013 07:32 PM (0PiQ4)
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147 >Ramen noodles are some form of styrofoam.
Posted by: bonhomme at August 21, 2013 07:29 PM (45N4D)<
I thought they were some form of weasel.
Posted by: Muad 'dib at August 21, 2013 07:31 PM (PlTXA)
Tasty tasty MSG-infused styrofoam weasels.
Posted by: bonhomme at August 21, 2013 07:29 PM (45N4D)<
I thought they were some form of weasel.
Posted by: Muad 'dib at August 21, 2013 07:31 PM (PlTXA)
Tasty tasty MSG-infused styrofoam weasels.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 21, 2013 07:32 PM (sGtp+)
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>I'm gonna help my kids home school their brats to the maximum extent practicable. I might even retire to do it.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at August 21, 2013 07:30 PM (UeUjL)
You could be a guest lecturer: "Introduction to Get Off My Lawn"
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at August 21, 2013 07:30 PM (UeUjL)
You could be a guest lecturer: "Introduction to Get Off My Lawn"
Posted by: Jones in CO at August 21, 2013 07:32 PM (8sCoq)
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Our Plan:
1) Do everything we can, no matter the cost, to arrogate power to the left and to destroy all opposition until the USA is a one party state. If innumerable millions of lives are needlessly destroyed in the process well you can't make an omelet without needlessly destroying millions of lives (and eggs right? I'm not sure Juanita does all the cooking)
2) ?
3) Utopia
And if that doesn't work out we'll build a giant space Eden and move there.
1) Do everything we can, no matter the cost, to arrogate power to the left and to destroy all opposition until the USA is a one party state. If innumerable millions of lives are needlessly destroyed in the process well you can't make an omelet without needlessly destroying millions of lives (and eggs right? I'm not sure Juanita does all the cooking)
2) ?
3) Utopia
And if that doesn't work out we'll build a giant space Eden and move there.
Posted by: The Left at August 21, 2013 07:32 PM (Fr15L)
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>>>Most students that do poorly do so because they are dumb or lazy or both.<<<
Let's hope these 8 families' kids aren't also bored. $3500 could buy a lot of weapons.
Let's hope these 8 families' kids aren't also bored. $3500 could buy a lot of weapons.
Posted by: Fritz at August 21, 2013 07:33 PM (C1d5Z)
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And if that doesn't work out we'll build a giant space Eden and move there.
You keep your crappy Elysiums to yourself. I wanna live in RingWorld or in a Dyson Sphere.
You keep your crappy Elysiums to yourself. I wanna live in RingWorld or in a Dyson Sphere.
Posted by: bonhomme at August 21, 2013 07:34 PM (45N4D)
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>Again, some of the best school systems on the planet are run the exact
way we are saying is the worst, most terrible way to run a school
system. How is that possible? Better raw materials.
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Oh I don't know...could it be better teachers? Despite what the unions say, there are actually differences in teacher performance. And you absolutely can measure that. So why don't we pay better teachers more, and get rid of failing teachers. That is what we are doing in WI now thanks to Walker.
way we are saying is the worst, most terrible way to run a school
system. How is that possible? Better raw materials.
<
Oh I don't know...could it be better teachers? Despite what the unions say, there are actually differences in teacher performance. And you absolutely can measure that. So why don't we pay better teachers more, and get rid of failing teachers. That is what we are doing in WI now thanks to Walker.
Posted by: Muad 'dib at August 21, 2013 07:34 PM (PlTXA)
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You keep your crappy Elysiums to yourself. I wanna live in RingWorld or in a Dyson Sphere.
Goin' to Eden, brother.
Goin' to Eden, brother.
Posted by: Space Hippie at August 21, 2013 07:36 PM (QDk4A)
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Hah! Someone from the CO State Patrol took a marked Crown Vic to Bandimere Speedway for "Bring It To The Track Night"
Posted by: Jones in CO at August 21, 2013 07:37 PM (8sCoq)
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Throughout America you'll find one county public school vastly superior to another county public school not far away. Both run under the same system. The difference? Better raw materials. If the system is the problem why is there such variety among schools run under the exact same system?
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 21, 2013 07:31 PM (ZPrif)
You're ignoring the self-selection bias built into the "better school". The people who care make sacrifices so their children go to the "right" public school, which concentrates the students who have the home culture conducive to learning, which improves the capture of their academic potential. Parents demand better teachers, are involved, and their kids learn academic skills from each other.
Better raw materials may be involved, but there's still an important cultural component.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 21, 2013 07:31 PM (ZPrif)
You're ignoring the self-selection bias built into the "better school". The people who care make sacrifices so their children go to the "right" public school, which concentrates the students who have the home culture conducive to learning, which improves the capture of their academic potential. Parents demand better teachers, are involved, and their kids learn academic skills from each other.
Better raw materials may be involved, but there's still an important cultural component.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 21, 2013 07:38 PM (sGtp+)
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Posted by: Jones in CO at August 21, 2013 07:38 PM (8sCoq)
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Oh I don't know...could it be better teachers? Despite what the unions
say, there are actually differences in teacher performance. And you
absolutely can measure that. So why don't we pay better teachers more,
and get rid of failing teachers. That is what we are doing in WI now
thanks to Walker.
My contention is that you could teach the best students with moderately good teachers and turn out a great product. You could teach the worst students with the best teachers and not do any better than with the worst teachers.
say, there are actually differences in teacher performance. And you
absolutely can measure that. So why don't we pay better teachers more,
and get rid of failing teachers. That is what we are doing in WI now
thanks to Walker.
My contention is that you could teach the best students with moderately good teachers and turn out a great product. You could teach the worst students with the best teachers and not do any better than with the worst teachers.
Posted by: bonhomme at August 21, 2013 07:39 PM (45N4D)
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Flatbush,
If you think doing well in school is about your intellect, you don't know jack.
The problem lies in our teaching system and parental involvement. Teachers aren't taught how to actually teach, and parents don't discipline their kids enough to teach them genuine respect.
Even then, the right teacher can still motivate a lazy student. It takes good teaching skills and not high minded bullshit theory about differentiation and whathaveyou.
If you think doing well in school is about your intellect, you don't know jack.
The problem lies in our teaching system and parental involvement. Teachers aren't taught how to actually teach, and parents don't discipline their kids enough to teach them genuine respect.
Even then, the right teacher can still motivate a lazy student. It takes good teaching skills and not high minded bullshit theory about differentiation and whathaveyou.
Posted by: A-Hole at August 21, 2013 07:39 PM (6gk77)
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Wait, what? Why are her documents out of order? She changed her name because she got married, right? So her BC is naturally out of sync with that. But why is her voter registration and DL being out of sync worth a lawsuit? Fix it, dummy. Aren't there laws about having correct information on your official documents?
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No. My understanding is that the way her name is spelled on her drivers license (i.e. her photo ID) is slightly different from the way it's spelled on her birth certificate and her voter registration. Ergo, her photo ID is useless as a form of identification when she goes to vote. However, that doesn't change the fact that she's making a mountain out of a molehill, and this is largely a nuisance lawsuit.
Wait, what? Why are her documents out of order? She changed her name because she got married, right? So her BC is naturally out of sync with that. But why is her voter registration and DL being out of sync worth a lawsuit? Fix it, dummy. Aren't there laws about having correct information on your official documents?
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No. My understanding is that the way her name is spelled on her drivers license (i.e. her photo ID) is slightly different from the way it's spelled on her birth certificate and her voter registration. Ergo, her photo ID is useless as a form of identification when she goes to vote. However, that doesn't change the fact that she's making a mountain out of a molehill, and this is largely a nuisance lawsuit.
Posted by: junior at August 21, 2013 07:40 PM (UWFpX)
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154
And if that doesn't work out we'll build a giant space Eden and move there.
You keep your crappy Elysiums to yourself. I wanna live in RingWorld or in a Dyson Sphere.
Posted by: bonhomme at August 21, 2013 07:34 PM (45N4D)
The only way you're getting anywhere near our space utopia is if someone welds a bunch of shit to you and you shave your head. Even then I doubt you get past our bad-ass space lesbian.
And if that doesn't work out we'll build a giant space Eden and move there.
You keep your crappy Elysiums to yourself. I wanna live in RingWorld or in a Dyson Sphere.
Posted by: bonhomme at August 21, 2013 07:34 PM (45N4D)
The only way you're getting anywhere near our space utopia is if someone welds a bunch of shit to you and you shave your head. Even then I doubt you get past our bad-ass space lesbian.
Posted by: The Left at August 21, 2013 07:43 PM (Fr15L)
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For the record: I've taught "dumb" kids before and made their scores sky rocket. I've also trained real highschool teachers, and they have no idea how to use Socratic dialogue, build an engaging lesson, use a white board to convey material, project their voices, manage classrooms, etc. Some do, but most don't and were never really taught. It's all "Maw's hierarchy" and "Bloom's Taxonomy". Both very useful for perspective, bueventually they need to learn how to, you know, actually freaking teach.
Posted by: A-Hole at August 21, 2013 07:44 PM (cHIOd)
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The only way you're getting anywhere near our space utopia is if someone
welds a bunch of shit to you and you shave your head.
Your proposal is acceptable. Tell your guardian she's licked her last tootsie roll.
welds a bunch of shit to you and you shave your head.
Your proposal is acceptable. Tell your guardian she's licked her last tootsie roll.
Posted by: bonhomme at August 21, 2013 07:45 PM (45N4D)
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"Again, some of the best school systems on the planet are run the exact way we are saying is the worst, most terrible way to run a school system. How is that possible? Better raw materials."
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I dont know how they run schools in your locale. Here, there is a school 'system' but within that 'system' the school's principle and its teachers quite a bit of lattitude to set the agenda and the course material.
The biggest issue I saw when my kids went to school is that the classes were structured around the abilities of the lowest performing percentiles so that student's wouldn't feel embarrassed by their lack of ability to learn and to apply the instruction.
So you have kids who don't want to learn, mixed with kids that learn slower or have to work harder than others, combined with kids who are pretty damn smart and who aren't challenged. Add to that a school policy that won't let you discharge someone from the class for behavior or non-performance and viola! Everyone suffers.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I dont know how they run schools in your locale. Here, there is a school 'system' but within that 'system' the school's principle and its teachers quite a bit of lattitude to set the agenda and the course material.
The biggest issue I saw when my kids went to school is that the classes were structured around the abilities of the lowest performing percentiles so that student's wouldn't feel embarrassed by their lack of ability to learn and to apply the instruction.
So you have kids who don't want to learn, mixed with kids that learn slower or have to work harder than others, combined with kids who are pretty damn smart and who aren't challenged. Add to that a school policy that won't let you discharge someone from the class for behavior or non-performance and viola! Everyone suffers.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at August 21, 2013 07:45 PM (UeUjL)
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That should read "Maslow's" not "Maw's", although...
Posted by: A-Hole at August 21, 2013 07:45 PM (6gk77)
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Both very useful for perspective, bueventually they need to learn how to, you know, actually freaking teach.
Posted by: A-Hole
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A-fuckin-men! It doesn't matter if you can do differential equations or command trivia like Alex Trebeck; if you can't demonstrate how that subject matter is useful to the student, AND be passionate about it you will never get the sudent interested in learning. Let alone get the student to progress.
Posted by: A-Hole
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A-fuckin-men! It doesn't matter if you can do differential equations or command trivia like Alex Trebeck; if you can't demonstrate how that subject matter is useful to the student, AND be passionate about it you will never get the sudent interested in learning. Let alone get the student to progress.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at August 21, 2013 07:50 PM (UeUjL)
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We didn't even have a hole in the ground.
Well, technically we did, but it was so full of dirt that we had trouble finding it.
Actually, when you get right down to it, it was so full of dirt that it was more like a hill.
Damn elitists with your holes in the ground.
We didn't even have a hole in the ground.
Well, technically we did, but it was so full of dirt that we had trouble finding it.
Actually, when you get right down to it, it was so full of dirt that it was more like a hill.
Damn elitists with your holes in the ground.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 21, 2013 07:52 PM (pxDth)
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Your proposal is acceptable. Tell your guardian she's licked her last tootsie roll.
You tell her, I hate it when she yells at me. She's kind of a b!tch (you didn't hear that from me).
You tell her, I hate it when she yells at me. She's kind of a b!tch (you didn't hear that from me).
Posted by: The Left at August 21, 2013 07:58 PM (Fr15L)
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The Brookshire's didn't have pork flavor ramen noodles today. The kid told me they still made them but they weren't stocking them. I asked him if it was a religious thing (affluent neighborhood, muslim doctors/professionals).
Posted by: EROWMER at August 21, 2013 08:00 PM (OONaw)
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If any child is not given any attention, and not challenged to learn at a young age, that child will be far behind children who have been given intellectual stimuli.
Most will not be able to "catch up" to those who have started to learn at an earlier age.
This has nothing to do with "demographics".
And a child of parent(s) that are uneducated will fall further back.
Regardless of the teacher.
If any child is not given any attention, and not challenged to learn at a young age, that child will be far behind children who have been given intellectual stimuli.
Most will not be able to "catch up" to those who have started to learn at an earlier age.
This has nothing to do with "demographics".
And a child of parent(s) that are uneducated will fall further back.
Regardless of the teacher.
Posted by: Gov.of Maine at August 21, 2013 08:24 PM (pnG7r)
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"Ramen noodles are some form of styrofoam."
Posted by: bonhomme
But when you finished them, (if you were resourceful), you shit a cooler and put your mud in there. You got by. You just got by, damnit.
Posted by: bonhomme
But when you finished them, (if you were resourceful), you shit a cooler and put your mud in there. You got by. You just got by, damnit.
Posted by: Slapweasel at August 21, 2013 08:34 PM (lq3Ak)
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You know, in Mormon theology this is Satan's whole agenda in a nutshell.... dragging people down to his level.
Posted by: Andrew at August 21, 2013 08:51 PM (HS3dy)
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Vouchers is one of the issues I long abandoned the GOP over. People should be able to go to whatever school they want. A school should be able to have standards and kick out students that can't meet them. No Child Left Behind was it for me. As with many things the education issues are easy to fix, it just means doing things some people won't like... well boo hoo.
Posted by: Andrew at August 21, 2013 08:55 PM (HS3dy)
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<i>Why do some get waivers and others don't? Right? Discriminatory stuff right there. Scrap it.
Posted by: Dave S. at August 21, 2013 06:38 PM (h1gQR)</i>
THAT is the Million Dollar question. That alone should sink the Obamacare ship.
By issuing the waivers to the connected and big guys, the small and medium businesses are up the creek and they will limit themselves to feweremployees -- less growth, or part time employees -- even less job security and financial stability. Or all of the above.
So -- time fora class action suit.
Posted by: Dave S. at August 21, 2013 06:38 PM (h1gQR)</i>
THAT is the Million Dollar question. That alone should sink the Obamacare ship.
By issuing the waivers to the connected and big guys, the small and medium businesses are up the creek and they will limit themselves to feweremployees -- less growth, or part time employees -- even less job security and financial stability. Or all of the above.
So -- time fora class action suit.
Posted by: JAL at August 21, 2013 10:58 PM (2RD9x)
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So, since welfare isn't enough to buy your kids the Porches they need, welfare is unconstitutional too.
Posted by: Kevin M at August 22, 2013 12:04 AM (Cgcz5)
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Those who haven't, should read Kurt Vonnegut's short story "Harrison Bergeron."
About a society in the future where all brilliance, beauty, and genius is brought low by the enviers -- Harrison is a genius and a champion athlete, so he's crippled by extra weights, a mask to blind him, etc.
He rebells -- read it to learn his fate. Vonnegut had a moment of honesty and clarity when he wrote this one.
About a society in the future where all brilliance, beauty, and genius is brought low by the enviers -- Harrison is a genius and a champion athlete, so he's crippled by extra weights, a mask to blind him, etc.
He rebells -- read it to learn his fate. Vonnegut had a moment of honesty and clarity when he wrote this one.
Posted by: Beverly at August 22, 2013 02:14 AM (Vo5jL)
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From the SPLC article at CATO:
"In short, SPLC argues that if the law can’t rescueevery child from a failing school, then it shouldn’t be allowed to rescueany child. Not only would this line of reasoning hobble almost every government effort to incrementally address any problem..."
Hmmm. Hobble almost every government effort you say?
This bears further scrutiny.
"In short, SPLC argues that if the law can’t rescueevery child from a failing school, then it shouldn’t be allowed to rescueany child. Not only would this line of reasoning hobble almost every government effort to incrementally address any problem..."
Hmmm. Hobble almost every government effort you say?
This bears further scrutiny.
Posted by: Tell me more.... at August 22, 2013 08:18 AM (Y05RT)
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In AZ, we have a great tax rebate voucher program to get around these sort of challenges. After all, our wonderful Supreme Court has said you can do absolutely anything you want as long as it's under tax law.
You can designate money for a particular student and get up to a $2,000 dollar-for-dollar credit off of your state income tax when you make a donation, sort of like a scholarship. I try to do it every year, as I'd rather give money to a private Christian school than state bureaucrats.
The teachers' union flips out about it all the time, but it looks like it's here to stay. It would be an easy sale in most Red States, and can survive most court challenges because it's no different than getting a tax write off for a church or charity.
You can designate money for a particular student and get up to a $2,000 dollar-for-dollar credit off of your state income tax when you make a donation, sort of like a scholarship. I try to do it every year, as I'd rather give money to a private Christian school than state bureaucrats.
The teachers' union flips out about it all the time, but it looks like it's here to stay. It would be an easy sale in most Red States, and can survive most court challenges because it's no different than getting a tax write off for a church or charity.
Posted by: McAdams at August 22, 2013 12:02 PM (Iofmy)
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Public education isn't ALL FAILURE, its successes. We now have homegrown Communists and jihadist coming out of public education. 'UNCONTAMINATED' BY GOD, OF COURSE.
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