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An Illustration of Some Crony Capitalism There: Sarah Palin's Alaska Took Federal Funds To Increase Access to... Gardasil
( Juneau, Alaska) ─ The Alaska Department of Health and Social Services announced today that an increase in federal funding will make it possible for all Alaska girls ages 9 through 18 to receive Gardasil ®, the vaccine to prevent cervical cancer, at no cost.How much money did she take from Merck? Bear in mind, federal dollars roll in to pay for this. And who gets paid? Merck. These crony capitalists with the pickin' the winners and the losers like Mr. Obama over there. I'm proud to post this because like Sarah Palin said we have to keep each other accountable and never mind the 11th Commandment we have to point out this there crony capitalism where we see it you betcha. Thanks to "lu."[Editorial comment by PJM:]Earlier this spring, the department had said it could provide free Gardasil only to Alaska girls who met certain eligibility requirements. Since then, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) provided additional funds for Alaska to obtain more vaccine. This boost in federal aid will enable more Alaska girls to receive Gardasil. Distribution of this vaccine to providers is just beginning, so state health officials suggest calling providers before visiting local clinics to find out if the vaccine is available. “We are thrilled that this unanticipated funding will allow us to provide the vaccine for all eligible girls,” said Laurel Wood, Alaska’s immunization program manager. “Although we have no guarantee that this funding will be available in future years, we hope to immunize as many Alaska girls as possible while we have this unique opportunity.”
At no direct cost, perhaps. But being federally funded, it had a cost. Millions of Americans outside Alaska bore that cost, involuntarily.
Was I Dreaming? I could have sworn that last night on Greta, The Only True Conservative Fighter Who Can Save us announced that we had to put aside the 11th Commandment and vet all candidates with negative information, because that's the only way we "keep each other accountable." Did I dream that? Well, I just checked the tape again, and no, I didn't dream that. She said that. But apparently when she said we have to vet all candidates, I'm to have understood that as "all candidates except Sarah Palin," according to Sarah Palin's fans, who think their True Conservative fighter gets to sit on the sidelines lobbing spitballs and if you toss one back you're guilty of a hate crime.
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(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 13, 2011 01:34 PM (nRTou)
Posted by: Lou at September 13, 2011 01:34 PM (0F3ej)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 13, 2011 01:35 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 13, 2011 01:35 PM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Ben at September 13, 2011 01:36 PM (wuv1c)
Posted by: soothsayer at September 13, 2011 01:36 PM (G/zuv)
oh and I bet they give the battle call to c4p, wait for some awesome never/rarely seen commenters telling us how ace hates women
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (ABO) at September 13, 2011 01:36 PM (yAor6)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 13, 2011 01:36 PM (UlUS4)
Posted by: Joffen at September 13, 2011 01:37 PM (EPcuy)
Hopefully Bristol got the vaccine, Levi Johnston strikes me as someone who is replete with STDs
{{shudder}}
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 13, 2011 01:37 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: arhooley at September 13, 2011 01:37 PM (GXgac)
Posted by: DarkLord© sez Obama is a stuttering clusterf--- of a miserable failure
Oh, and F--- Nevada! at September 13, 2011 01:37 PM (GBXon)
Posted by: toby928© at September 13, 2011 01:37 PM (GTbGH)
we'll find out when her reality show premieres
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (ABO) at September 13, 2011 01:38 PM (yAor6)
Posted by: Honey Badger at September 13, 2011 01:38 PM (+N0Wl)
Posted by: LaughingOutLoud! at September 13, 2011 01:38 PM (zNmqL)
Posted by: joncelli at September 13, 2011 01:38 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 13, 2011 01:38 PM (sbV1u)
Posted by: soothsayer at September 13, 2011 01:38 PM (G/zuv)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 13, 2011 01:38 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: Ben at September 13, 2011 01:38 PM (wuv1c)
Posted by: EC at September 13, 2011 01:38 PM (GQ8sn)
That's where she lost me too, and for the same reasons.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 13, 2011 01:39 PM (sbV1u)
Posted by: concealed carrie at September 13, 2011 01:39 PM (u8hSJ)
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Posted by: Sarah the Palin at September 13, 2011 01:40 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: jeannebodine, sum b*tch at September 13, 2011 01:40 PM (nvlAW)
Posted by: Fart-Tube_Jones at September 13, 2011 01:40 PM (48wze)
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Posted by: Lady in Black at September 13, 2011 01:40 PM (ycuSb)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at September 13, 2011 01:41 PM (Mo+zF)
Posted by: Dr Spank at September 13, 2011 01:41 PM (1fB+3)
Posted by: alexthechick at September 13, 2011 01:41 PM (VtjlW)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 13, 2011 01:41 PM (TMB3S)
???Who gives a"SHIT" about this stuff. MAIN OBJECTIVE IS TO GET RID OF OBAMA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We'll get there buddy. Now is the time where we each fight to get the candidate we want or have settled on. We'll get to Obama after the primaries.
Posted by: Ben at September 13, 2011 01:41 PM (wuv1c)
My reaction to this thread: The same as when I see a tampon wrapper in the trashcan...
GRAB A HELMET AND TAKE COVER!
Posted by: IreneFingIrene at September 13, 2011 01:41 PM (JNqU9)
Posted by: Tammy Bruce at September 13, 2011 01:41 PM (yAor6)
Posted by: Andy at September 13, 2011 01:41 PM (5Rurq)
Were there other states that took Fed money for access to Gardasil?
Posted by: EC at September 13, 2011 01:38 PM
I'm guessing about 49 of them.
Posted by: arhooley at September 13, 2011 01:41 PM (GXgac)
Posted by: James Franklin at September 13, 2011 01:42 PM (48wze)
Posted by: joffen at September 13, 2011 01:42 PM (EPcuy)
Sheesh.
Focus on the damned economy, foreign policy, Iraq and Afghanistan. Jeebus.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 13, 2011 01:42 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: PALINISTO! at September 13, 2011 01:42 PM (PU8wf)
Posted by: Tami at September 13, 2011 01:42 PM (X6akg)
In 2006, Sarah Palin was elected governor of the great state of Alaska. In June of 2007, Alaska accepted federal funding to boost access to Gardasil, the HPV vaccine.
Posted by: tasker at September 13, 2011 01:42 PM (brQV4)
Posted by: blogforce one at September 13, 2011 01:42 PM (lICB9)
On the other thread though, I just learned that she "drinks tiger blood", so she's got that going for her. Plus all that money I spent on her books.
Posted by: Sgt. Fury at September 13, 2011 01:42 PM (sX+cx)
No me, of course. Everyone else though... has some... in them.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 13, 2011 01:43 PM (jx2j9)
Posted by: tasker at September 13, 2011 01:43 PM (brQV4)
I am trying to find a mandate here. Can you help me?
The vetting will continue. Toughen up, buttercups.
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 13, 2011 01:43 PM (OhYCU)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at September 13, 2011 01:43 PM (Mo+zF)
There you go again ... with your damned facts pointing out that St.
Sarah just might not be quite as Pure™ as her fan club likes to believe.
Shut up, that's why.
Posted by: Palinista at September 13, 2011 01:43 PM (5wsU9)
Ugh. I just don't care.Turns outPalin didn't spring from Regean's head fully formed and beyond flawless in every possible way. Don't even bother to watch film at eleven.
Posted by: William at September 13, 2011 01:44 PM (dE2JB)
oh noes! we hurt the Palinistas' feelings
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (ABO) at September 13, 2011 01:44 PM (yAor6)
Me thinky that someone has an anima complex, no? Slap fights with Pam Gellar, Bachmann, and Palin? What's next, a 50k word dissertation on this season's Dancing with the Stars? Or is that Gabe...I forget who's the bitch and who's the butch here...
Posted by: Vercingetorix at September 13, 2011 01:44 PM (N8eC4)
Has that changed in any way? I mean, all this fuss for a vaccine that lasts short time frames and really isn't proven to be successful by any means?
Posted by: © Sponge at September 13, 2011 01:44 PM (UK9cE)
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at September 13, 2011 01:44 PM (baL2B)
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 13, 2011 01:44 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (ABO) at September 13, 2011 01:45 PM (yAor6)
Posted by: blogforce one at September 13, 2011 01:45 PM (lICB9)
Posted by: mpfs, TPT, Barbarian & Evil Vaccine Supporter at September 13, 2011 01:45 PM (iYbLN)
Hush now. It's been lonely in the barrel. Time for some new blood.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 13, 2011 01:45 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 13, 2011 01:45 PM (kaOJx)
Show me where in this article it say Sarah Palin MANDATED ITS USE BY EXECUTIVER ORDER?????
Posted by: blogforce one at September 13, 2011 01:42 PM
I believe that is the legitimate issue, but for now we're going to have fun sticking forks in all governors who ever accepted federal aid. No, make that one governor.
Posted by: arhooley at September 13, 2011 01:46 PM (GXgac)
Posted by: EC at September 13, 2011 01:38 PM
I'm guessing about 49 of them.
I'm not seeing the problem then.
What is it about Gardasil that's making people freak out? The fact that one company makes it? There is another vaccine out there from GSK called Cervarix that does the same thing. Baring any other vaccines, it'll be Gardasil or Cervarix given to states for distribution.
Again, what's the problem here if all 50 states are asking for it?
Posted by: EC at September 13, 2011 01:46 PM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 13, 2011 01:46 PM (LyF0H)
I fear Cthulhu, too.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
PH'NGLUI MGLW'NAFH CTHULHU R'LYEH WGAH'NAGL FHTAGN!1!
Posted by: Kensington at September 13, 2011 01:46 PM (znT2j)
There must be some kinda way outta here / said the joker to the thief...
Posted by: DarkLord© sez Obama is a stuttering clusterf--- of a miserable failure
Oh, and F--- Nevada! at September 13, 2011 01:46 PM (GBXon)
So, are you pretending not to see the distinction, avoiding seeing it, or just TAKE THAT CRACKAZ!-ing this without care for such superfluities as facts and events and shit?
Because when that distinction gets pointed out down here somewhere, you're not going to acknowledge that it actually is one. You're going to do that thing you always do when you're Palin-crazy: get more crazy.
Posted by: oblig. should probably be banned at September 13, 2011 01:46 PM (xvZW9)
Posted by: soothsayer at September 13, 2011 01:46 PM (G/zuv)
Fear of the vagina.
I think I'll need some serious immersion therapy to get over it.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 13, 2011 01:47 PM (sbV1u)
Posted by: lonestar at September 13, 2011 01:47 PM (mNf6+)
Posted by: ace commentator at September 13, 2011 01:47 PM (Mo+zF)
Posted by: joffen at September 13, 2011 01:47 PM (EPcuy)
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 13, 2011 01:48 PM (kaOJx)
Turns outPalin didn't spring from Regean's head fully formed and beyond flawless in every possible way.
For that matter, did Governor Reagan refuse every federal grant that came his way and run California on state revenues alone?
Posted by: arhooley at September 13, 2011 01:48 PM (GXgac)
Corruption is when a big Obama donor (Martin Guitars) gets the FBI to raid his competitor (Gibson Guitars), twice.
Corruption is when your (Perry's) Chief of Staff gets hired by a drug company as a thank you for getting your boss to mandate a vaccine with questionable cost-benefit.
Getting federal funds to augment a state program is hardly corruption. Your Perry-love is blinding you, Ace.
Posted by: Arms Merchant at September 13, 2011 01:48 PM (jx6di)
Posted by: Vercingetorix at September 13, 2011 01:44 PM (N8eC4)
It doesn't matter, as long as there are no fatties. I hate fatties and their fatty fat.
Posted by: Gabe at September 13, 2011 01:48 PM (ggRof)
I guess the bus tours and policy speeches were not clue enough for you? She will run. She will be vetted, again. We will hold primaries.
I hope we all live through it.
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 13, 2011 01:48 PM (OhYCU)
Posted by: lonestar at September 13, 2011 01:47 PM (mNf6+)
Yessiree, you say something bad about Perry, you better burn at the stake!!!
Posted by: ace commentator at September 13, 2011 01:48 PM (Mo+zF)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 13, 2011 01:49 PM (ZDUD4)
Well...she was VP of the McCain/Palin campaign but in her last speech she forgot all about that.
Posted by: tasker at September 13, 2011 01:49 PM (brQV4)
Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 13, 2011 01:49 PM (0M3AQ)
Posted by: blogforce one at September 13, 2011 01:49 PM (lICB9)
Posted by: mpurinTexas, Evil Conservanatrix, supports Rick Perry, bitch at September 13, 2011 01:49 PM (pY3GI)
Posted by: Barney Frank (D-no lips) at September 13, 2011 01:49 PM (ycuSb)
1) Which do you think creates a greater burden on the welfare roles, the vaccine orn indigent care for cerviacl cancer?
2) What are the available options for acquiring the vasccine?
3) How much money do you think Merck invested to create the vaccine?
Posted by: FOB at September 13, 2011 01:49 PM (rJDCJ)
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 13, 2011 01:48 PM (OhYCU)
I guess her saying she's getting a kick out of being a tease last night was not a clue for you?
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (ABO) at September 13, 2011 01:49 PM (yAor6)
Ace thinks that Sarah Palin is retarded and hates her.
This proves that Gardasil causes retardation.
This proves thatI was right!!
Posted by: Michelle Bachman is in overdrive at September 13, 2011 01:50 PM (326rv)
Sarah just needs to get in the game.
Posted by: toby928© at September 13, 2011 01:50 PM (GTbGH)
I think I'll need some serious immersion therapy to get over it.
Margaret Cho's available.
Posted by: EC at September 13, 2011 01:50 PM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: ronno at September 13, 2011 01:50 PM (nQR0p)
Palin lost me whenshe as Governor, that was the last straw ... I noticed lots of unflattering traits on her show too. Everything is all about her all the time, she becomes the pushy Queen Bee and suffocates even her own children, as well as what's his name? She served her purpose once upon a time, she has her heart in the right place but she was not up to the job then - and she never will be. Besides, the Media Assasinated her long ago,she wouldn't make Dog Catcher today.
Posted by: 7HEAVENS at September 13, 2011 01:50 PM (tuCVl)
I learned that it's good to switch political parties in order to sabotage its frontrunner during the primaries so that she doesn't win her party's nomination.
I learned that if neither major party offers an adequately conservative candidate that it would be better to not for for either one.
I learned that Canadians have some serious hang-ups about what to call China's capital city.
Posted by: FireHorse at September 13, 2011 01:50 PM (F5OMl)
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at September 13, 2011 01:50 PM (ayKZ9)
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at September 13, 2011 01:51 PM (baL2B)
She's a man baby!
Posted by: Austin Powers at September 13, 2011 01:51 PM (sbV1u)
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 13, 2011 01:51 PM (OhYCU)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (ABO) at September 13, 2011 01:51 PM (yAor6)
Posted by: blogforce one at September 13, 2011 01:51 PM (lICB9)
Posted by: LiquidFlorian at September 13, 2011 01:51 PM (n2Mvr)
I don't get it. What does Crony Capitalism (i.e., corruption) have to do with this?
Corruption is when a big Obama donor (Martin Guitars) gets the FBI to raid his competitor (Gibson Guitars), twice.
Corruption
is when your (Perry's) Chief of Staff gets hired by a drug company as a
thank you for getting your boss to mandate a vaccine with questionable cost-benefit.
Getting federal funds to augment a state program is hardly corruption. Your Perry-love is blinding you, Ace.
Posted by: Arms Merchant at September 13, 2011 01:48 PM (jx6di)
Exactly.
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at September 13, 2011 01:52 PM (bAL0J)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 13, 2011 01:52 PM (FkKjr)
Again, what's the problem here if all 50 states are asking for it?
Posted by: EC at September 13, 2011 01:46 PM
There is none. If this makes Palin a fork-done hypocrite, then Rubio is an illegal alien.
Posted by: arhooley at September 13, 2011 01:52 PM (GXgac)
Just the ones with no spine who quit.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 13, 2011 01:52 PM (kaOJx)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure
Agreed. This thread is what passes for a team building exercise.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 13, 2011 01:52 PM (326rv)
Because I don't see anything to this, at all.
This has to be the most-fvcking-dumberest post I've ever seen on AoSHQ.
Posted by: Vercingetorix at September 13, 2011 01:52 PM (N8eC4)
Posted by: soothsayer at September 13, 2011 01:52 PM (G/zuv)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 13, 2011 01:52 PM (l9zgN)
Posted by: Lady in Black at September 13, 2011 01:52 PM (ycuSb)
What is it about Gardasil that's making people freak out?
Fear of the vagina.
Posted by: Sean Bannion
Now you've done it, The Vagina Monolouges will do a special on ABC with just HPV vaginas speaking. Thanks a lot.
Posted by: mpfs, TPT, Barbarian & Evil Vaccine Supporter at September 13, 2011 01:52 PM (iYbLN)
Palin quit a Governorship to go tease people
says all you need to know
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (ABO) at September 13, 2011 01:53 PM (yAor6)
Posted by: soothsayer at September 13, 2011 01:53 PM (G/zuv)
Jump to 2009: 16 year of NSA granddaughter. I called her mom suggested she think about seriously getting Gardasil ®, the vaccine for her. She did, "S" protected. Since "S" was a minor she didn't have a say althrough it was explained to her. She understood that it was a protective measure just likeany other vaccine that might be protective in nature.
Jump to Last Night: Never in all my years would I have believed another woman would not see the benefits from a vaccine that might stop a potentially deadly desease like cancer. Gov. Perry went about getting Gardasil for young girls the wrong way, but the fact remains that anyoneshould want to protectlittle girlsfrom cervical cancer period.
This should not be a politicalissue, I am deeply offended by Michelle B.
Posted by: Debbie at September 13, 2011 01:53 PM (HilB/)
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 13, 2011 01:53 PM (OhYCU)
Posted by: DarkLord© sez Obama is a stuttering clusterf--- of a miserable failure
Oh, and F--- Nevada! at September 13, 2011 01:53 PM (GBXon)
Posted by: Bob Saget at September 13, 2011 01:53 PM (F/4zf)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at September 13, 2011 01:53 PM (Mo+zF)
Are we now going after anyone with connections to Gardasil, or anyone who accepted federal funding, or is it just that we're going after Palin, because golly gee, she sure seems to piss people around here off.
Did I miss something fundamental, because this post seems almost like satire, except that I know it isn't.
Posted by: KinleyArdal at September 13, 2011 01:53 PM (1d0Z1)
Posted by: CMS2004 at September 13, 2011 01:54 PM (8weZX)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 13, 2011 01:54 PM (SB0V2)
Posted by: arhooley at September 13, 2011 01:52 PM (GXgac)
Is there proof he actually came out the vajayjay instead of being pulled out through an incision in his mamma's belly? How do we know he's naturally born? The questions must be answered!!!
Posted by: Papa Editor at September 13, 2011 01:54 PM (Zs83Q)
At least he's a candidate. I'm tired of waiting for Palin. I've moved on.
Posted by: toby928© at September 13, 2011 01:55 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Honey Badger at September 13, 2011 01:55 PM (+N0Wl)
That could be quite entertaining. What do you think a bunch of vaginas sitting around talking looks like?
Wait, the answers to that arepotentially horrifying. Belay that.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 13, 2011 01:55 PM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Nr. Natural at September 13, 2011 01:55 PM (b64Kt)
Or does the government buy all of this from the oil companies?
So who really benefits when there's a war and the military uses more of these products?
(I'm just asking questions.)
Posted by: FireHorse at September 13, 2011 01:55 PM (F5OMl)
Posted by: Roy at September 13, 2011 01:55 PM (bm4vI)
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 13, 2011 01:56 PM (OhYCU)
Wait, the answers to that arepotentially horrifying. Belay that.
Ah, you've watched 'The View' then...
Posted by: DarkLord© sez Obama is a stuttering clusterf--- of a miserable failure
Oh, and F--- Nevada! at September 13, 2011 01:56 PM (GBXon)
Seriously though, some need to wipe the Perry spittle from their chin.
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at September 13, 2011 01:53 PM (Mo+zF)
That ain't spittle.
Posted by: ronno at September 13, 2011 01:56 PM (nQR0p)
Posted by: ace commentator at September 13, 2011 01:56 PM (Mo+zF)
So, if you have sex, you deserve to get cancer, right?
ahhh, another proud graduate of the Ace School of Argument
Posted by: soothsayer at September 13, 2011 01:56 PM (G/zuv)
This is ridiculous. Palin didn't try to force people to get the vaccine; apparently we can't see the difference between these two scenarios.
The discussion should be centered around whether the Feds or the State Government SHOULD do this, and if they SHOULD mandate it.
I like Perry, but this issue and the immigration stuff bothers me. Trying via EO really, really concerns me - it says 'I'm smarter than you.'
Posted by: blindside at September 13, 2011 01:56 PM (3Uns6)
of this bickering so soon after the joint session commercial speech! Whatever
happened to SCOAMF’s call for cooperation?
Bipartisanship?
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 13, 2011 01:56 PM (jx2j9)
Posted by: blogforce one at September 13, 2011 01:56 PM (lICB9)
Posted by: toby928© at September 13, 2011 01:56 PM (GTbGH)
You should watch this with your children and the after-after school special question and answer special. Vaginas will be manning the phones, facebook and twitter to answer your vagina and cervix related questions.
Posted by: mpfs, TPT, Barbarian & Evil Vaccine Supporter at September 13, 2011 01:56 PM (iYbLN)
You know that the primaries are still months away, the election 14 months away, and that all along she said something about late Sep...oh never mind.
Posted by: Kensington at September 13, 2011 01:56 PM (znT2j)
FLAWLESS VICTORY.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 13, 2011 01:52 PM (l9zgN)
You must be referring to this post down here... elsewise it'd be EPIC FAIL.
Corruption is when a big Obama donor (Martin Guitars) gets the FBI to raid his competitor (Gibson Guitars), twice.Corruption
is when your (Perry's) Chief of Staff gets hired by a drug company as a
thank you for getting your boss to mandate a vaccine with questionable cost-benefit.Getting federal funds to augment a state program is hardly corruption. Your Perry-love is blinding you, Ace.
Posted by: Arms Merchant at September 13, 2011 01:48 PM (jx6di)
Posted by: KinleyArdal at September 13, 2011 01:57 PM (1d0Z1)
Posted by: AoS 2010 fickle vision at September 13, 2011 01:57 PM (G/zuv)
As we watch Ace sink deeper into this, maybe we'll get some idea of what happened to Charles Johnson. Posted by: Nr. Natural
Should we call the police as it seems you've been forced to visit?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 13, 2011 01:57 PM (s1vtf)
Schoolhouse Rock presents a very special after school special: The HPV Vagina Monologues.
You
should watch this with your children and the after-after school special
question and answer special. Vaginas will be manning the phones,
facebook and twitter to answer your vagina and cervix related questions.
Posted by: mpfs, TPT, Barbarian Evil Vaccine Supporter at September 13, 2011 01:56 PM (iYbLN)
lol
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 13, 2011 01:57 PM (UOM48)
Maybe St Sarah will write another book detailing her agonizing struggle aboutbeing afraid torun for President. Go roll your pennies and maybe you can buy a signed copy from her online store.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 13, 2011 01:57 PM (kaOJx)
Posted by: Honey Badger
I fell from a windowsil once. That had numerous side effects.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 13, 2011 01:57 PM (326rv)
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 13, 2011 01:57 PM (OhYCU)
Guess which political party is taking time out during the collapse of the world economy to rend itself apart over the critical issue of cooter flu shots.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 13, 2011 01:58 PM (EeYDk)
Merck gets paid for all this. I am searching right now for Merck's donations. OpenSecrets does not have governors listed as far as recipients.
But yeah, if Merck donated just $1 to her, and she was part of a federal scheme to siphon taxpayer money to pay merck for this apparently-dangerous-and-irresponsible vaccine, by her own standard that is crony capitalism, the crony capitalism she's talkin about there with pickin' the winners and losers like Mr. Obama over there.
Posted by: ace at September 13, 2011 01:58 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: sifty at September 13, 2011 01:58 PM (4CSeG)
Posted by: AoS 2010 fickle vision at September 13, 2011 01:58 PM (G/zuv)
Is there proof he actually came
out the vajayjay instead of being pulled out through an incision in his
mamma's belly? How do we know he's naturally born? The questions must
be answered!!!
Posted by: Papa Editor at September 13, 2011 01:54 PM
Hahahaha! I think that's exactly what people will be saying if it turns out Florida accepted funds for Gardasil.
Posted by: arhooley at September 13, 2011 01:58 PM (GXgac)
Ace's anti-vagina pogrom is disturbing.
First my people are run out of countries because were are Joooos. Now because I have a vagina.
Posted by: mpfs, TPT, Barbarian & Evil Vaccine Supporter at September 13, 2011 01:58 PM (iYbLN)
Except...the mandate never happened. So there's that.
Posted by: Joffen at September 13, 2011 01:58 PM (EPcuy)
Posted by: Sarah Palin (TM) at September 13, 2011 01:58 PM (ofXdX)
months away, and that all along she said something about late Sep...oh
never mind.
Everybody else is already in the pool, debates are happening, time's a wastin. Jump or jump not.
Posted by: toby928© at September 13, 2011 01:58 PM (GTbGH)
the world economy to rend itself apart over the critical issue of cooter
flu shots.
THIS.
Posted by: Lady in Black at September 13, 2011 01:58 PM (ycuSb)
Nice try, Perryistas.
Posted by: mrp at September 13, 2011 01:59 PM (HjPtV)
Really, this is so inside baseball it is embarrassing.
The rest of the country does not give a shit.
Move along.
Did Mitt have his Temple Underwear cleaned this week?
Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at September 13, 2011 01:59 PM (hXJOG)
Sad to see you let your hatred for Sarah P cause you to make a DailyKos joke ... You betcha.
It isn't funny, Ace. Seriously.
Posted by: Maxmbj at September 13, 2011 01:59 PM (deaac)
the federal money went into Merck's coffers -- that is the exact charge she's making about Perry, that he funneled money to Merck by making the vaccine mandatory (with opt-out).
And yet here she is taking part in a coerced extraction of dollars from taxpayers to pay Merck for its dangerous, pro-sex-for-children metal-retardation vaccine.
Posted by: ace at September 13, 2011 01:59 PM (nj1bB)
I'm betting there's a lot of smug commentary about how Ace has finally come around on Palin, maybe even one of Andrew's stupid "awards."
Regardless of the merits, you never want Andrew Sullivan on your side. It's creepy.
Posted by: Kensington at September 13, 2011 02:00 PM (znT2j)
Wait, the answers to that arepotentially horrifying. Belay that.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 13, 2011 01:55 PM (sbV1u)
There's this show called The View....
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 13, 2011 02:00 PM (UOM48)
the world economy to rend itself apart over the critical issue of cooter
flu shots.
So much easier for adolescents to think about cooters than the scary thought of losing the country.
Posted by: sifty at September 13, 2011 02:00 PM (4CSeG)
Man, LGF was such a great blog. Remember those great posts like....uh, I guess one time he copied and pasted from a better blog.
BUT HE KICKED ME OUT THAT WAS THE WORST THING EVER! I WANT A REAL CONSERVATIVE FIGHTER WHO WILL TAKE OUT MY REVENGE ON CHARLES!
Posted by: Anony at September 13, 2011 02:00 PM (7ahtU)
Posted by: brak at September 13, 2011 02:00 PM (9ANBd)
Posted by: Sarah Palin - Queen B at September 13, 2011 02:00 PM (yAor6)
Posted by: joncelli at September 13, 2011 02:00 PM (RD7QR)
Let's spend all our time and energy preventing Huckabee from winning the nomination coming in 3rd in the primaries!
Posted by: AoS 2008 fickle vision at September 13, 2011 02:00 PM (G/zuv)
Regionalism is the elephant in the house. It's the venom in the criticism, the hate and distaste in the tone.
So yeah, it's done. Wake me when it finally falls apart and the real Americans form a better Republic without the Northeast.
Posted by: Inspector Asshole at September 13, 2011 02:00 PM (ayKZ9)
Posted by: myrenovations at September 13, 2011 02:00 PM (YzjX1)
>>>>As we watch Ace sink deeper into this, maybe we'll get some idea of what happened to Charles Johnson.
On the contrary, I've found many of the most die hard Palinistas to be taking a page from CJ's book. To be honest, a large part of my newfound dislike for Palin comes more from her most pure followers, which I'll admit is unfair to her.
Go read Dan Riehl's site. Anyone who dare mentions Sarah in a bad light or brings up uncomfortable facts is immediately chastised.
She's allowed to sit on the side lines and throw punches, but heaven help you if you return fire a little bit
Posted by: Ben at September 13, 2011 02:00 PM (wuv1c)
The "independent" state of Alaska gets huge per-capita subsidies. Half of the stuff "Alaska" pays for is really the government. It's subsidy central.
So Alaska doesn't have to mandate jack (in order to get insurers to pay); they just take those sweet sweet subsidies from other states to pay for their social programs.
Posted by: ace at September 13, 2011 02:01 PM (nj1bB)
This is ridiculous. Palin didn't try to force people to get the vaccine;
apparently we can't see the difference between these two scenarios.
In addition, no pals of hers went on to became a C-level employee at Merck.
Posted by: arhooley at September 13, 2011 02:01 PM (GXgac)
Yeah. Forensic anal spelunking. Catch teh fever!!! Ah, fvck it, I'm moving to Australia, later you American douches, 40 more years of Il Douche Obama.
You ignorant sister-marrying shotgun-toting NASCAR-fellating ghey-fearing conservative homos DESERVE to get another term of Obama.
Posted by: Vercingetorix at September 13, 2011 02:01 PM (N8eC4)
Poop or get off of the pot!
Posted by: LaughingOutLoud! at September 13, 2011 02:01 PM (zNmqL)
Posted by: Maxmbj at September 13, 2011 01:59 PM (deaac)
squack! It's her fault for not endorsing Rick "the Son of God" Perry, squack! She deserves it!
Posted by: ace commentator at September 13, 2011 02:01 PM (Mo+zF)
Posted by: Arms Merchant at September 13, 2011 01:48 PM (jx6di)
Yes, let's ignore those pesky facts, like for example both Perry and Palin were pushing to get as many girls as possible injected with the Demon-Ichor known as Gardasil. For some reason, when Perry was doing it he was a corrupt bastard. When Palin was taking federal funds for it, she was, of course, the noble defender we all need.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 13, 2011 02:01 PM (FkKjr)
Trouble is big donors like viable candidates and that's why she made her pitch to the little guy and his pocket book.
She can't win but she could go third party and lose. And, she take enough votes with her....so that Obama is this decade's Clinton except for not as reasonable as Clinton.
Posted by: tasker at September 13, 2011 02:01 PM (brQV4)
federal scheme to siphon taxpayer money to pay merck for this
apparently-dangerous-and-irresponsible vaccine, by her own standard
that is crony capitalism, the crony capitalism she's talkin about there
with pickin' the winners and losers like Mr. Obama over there.
At that time, Gardasil was the only vaccine of that type. It was a unique product made by one company. I'm not understanding how it's crony capitalism if only one company makes a unique product unlike other goods that have various competitors and rivals.
Posted by: EC at September 13, 2011 02:02 PM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at September 13, 2011 01:59 PM (hXJOG)
---I'm really sick of your schtick.
Posted by: Y-not at September 13, 2011 02:02 PM (5H6zj)
That's where she lost me too, and for the same reasons.
_________
She turned herwhole Life into a reality show, even before that.....so putting it on TV was the next step.
It's still going on......she is still capitalizing on it. And should she make it to the White House, it would continue there.
Are we reallyready to see the Sarah Palin White House show? Complete with "see what the kids are up to now" and "which media asshole has the first dude punched today?".
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 13, 2011 02:02 PM (mwfMy)
Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 13, 2011 02:02 PM (0M3AQ)
Posted by: Debbie at September 13, 2011 02:02 PM (HilB/)
She's allowed to sit on the side lines and throw punches
Is that what it's called when you're not a candidate but you criticize people who are?
Posted by: every single ace commenter at September 13, 2011 02:02 PM (GXgac)
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at September 13, 2011 02:03 PM (baL2B)
Christie/Petraeus, anyone?
Posted by: LauderdaleVet at September 13, 2011 02:03 PM (mnrxG)
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 13, 2011 02:03 PM (OhYCU)
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Her endorsement is worthless. Palin supporters are quick to tell us that they won't follow her lead and her endorsing a candidate will just hurt him in the general anyway.
Posted by: Y-not at September 13, 2011 02:04 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 13, 2011 02:04 PM (vzFJV)
Posted by: Perry at September 13, 2011 02:04 PM (Mo+zF)
Palin lost me when she did the TV show.
She lost me when she got a Facebook account. Every single post is by her!
Posted by: arhooley at September 13, 2011 02:04 PM (GXgac)
She's allowed to sit on the side lines and throw punches
>>>Is that what it's called when you're not a candidate but you criticize people who are?
Yes! Rove has been grilled for it from most blogs, but heaven help you if you do it to Sarah Palin.
Posted by: Ben at September 13, 2011 02:04 PM (wuv1c)
Posted by: Dr Spank at September 13, 2011 02:04 PM (1fB+3)
Palin should either get in the race or shut the hell up. Her act is getting stale.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 13, 2011 02:04 PM (TMB3S)
apparently we can't see the difference between these two scenarios.
It's not the mandate issue with Palin, it's the hypocrisy when using the term "crony capitalism."
Posted by: taylork at September 13, 2011 02:04 PM (5wsU9)
Posted by: Fearful owner of pancake-batter company stock at September 13, 2011 02:04 PM (gQLr2)
Works for me.
Posted by: blindside at September 13, 2011 02:04 PM (3Uns6)
Like This?
http://tinyurl.com/6a8j6ec
Posted by: mpfs, TPT, Barbarian & Evil Vaccine Supporter at September 13, 2011 02:05 PM (iYbLN)
It'll be good for Palin the candidate...or not candidate.
Posted by: tasker at September 13, 2011 02:06 PM (brQV4)
squack! It's her fault for not endorsing Rick "the Son of God" Perry, squack! She deserves it!
I don't care if she endorses Perry, Bachmann, or Romney. It matters not to me. What bothers me is that we can't call her shit out. We can't point out that she was guilty of a lof the things she's accusing Perry of being guilty of.
Posted by: Ben at September 13, 2011 02:06 PM (wuv1c)
Anyway, I can't see why anyone wouldn't want as many women as possible to get cancer. Because Lord knows pharmaceutical companies aren't going to be making more money off sick people than healthy people. Oh wait...they will.
What the fuck is the point of this ranting, again???
Posted by: JEA at September 13, 2011 02:06 PM (WujO7)
Posted by: Bob Dole! at September 13, 2011 02:06 PM (czcue)
as a Perry supporter, I agree 100% with this Romney supporter.
St Palin the Spineless, too chickensh8t to run.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 13, 2011 02:06 PM (kaOJx)
This is what has me so sick and tired when R candidates engage in verbal gymnastics about topics most Americans could give a shit about. They have to hit hard at the SCOAMF continually.
TheJEF gives them fresh material on a daily basis.
Posted by: Cheri at September 13, 2011 02:06 PM (G+Wff)
Posted by: alexthedude at September 13, 2011 02:06 PM (SvEXB)
This blog's fear of vaginas (and brown people - *waves at Tushar*) was already the stuff of legend back when Charles Johnson was a conservative guy known for doing an animated .gif.
Posted by: Andy at September 13, 2011 02:07 PM (5Rurq)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 13, 2011 02:00 PM (UOM4
Jane you have out done yourselfs.
WINNER!!
Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at September 13, 2011 02:07 PM (hXJOG)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at September 13, 2011 02:07 PM (Mo+zF)
Palin won't do this. However, Trump has already setup an organization for this and could hand the election to Obama.
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 13, 2011 02:07 PM (OhYCU)
Why not just say crony corruption?
Capitalism might be a dirty word if you're Krugman.
Posted by: tasker at September 13, 2011 02:07 PM (brQV4)
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 13, 2011 02:03 PM (OhYCU)
Heavy and protracted alcohol intake. I expect caseloads at detox centers across the nation to spike after november 2012.
Posted by: joncelli at September 13, 2011 02:07 PM (RD7QR)
(And I do put the anti-vax'ers in the same boat as Truthers and global warming cultists.)
Posted by: Jimmuy at September 13, 2011 02:07 PM (WytJW)
What does "mandatory (with opt-out)" mean?
Posted by: FireHorse at September 13, 2011 02:07 PM (F5OMl)
Posted by: taylork at September 13, 2011 02:04 PM (5wsU9)
Try to understand the definition of cronyism, it's about getting kickbacks , what kickback did Palin get?
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at September 13, 2011 02:07 PM (bAL0J)
Posted by: Joffen at September 13, 2011 02:07 PM (EPcuy)
I'm kind of a useless bitch, when you get down to it.
Posted by: Sarah Palin (TM) at September 13, 2011 01:58 PM (ofXdX)
If you like your Death Panels, you can keep your Death Panels.
Posted by: ronno at September 13, 2011 02:08 PM (nQR0p)
Why not just say crony corruption?
Crony capitalism does exist, and it is a bad thing. Democrats do it.
Accusing Perry of it over Gardasil is ridiculous.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 13, 2011 02:08 PM (FkKjr)
I don't care if she endorses Perry,
Bachmann, or Romney. It matters not to me. What bothers me is that we
can't call her shit out. We can't point out that she was guilty of a lof
the things she's accusing Perry of being guilty of.
Posted by: Ben at September 13, 2011 02:06 PM (wuv1c)
This comparison does not work. Does it bother you that you are disallowed from using inaccurate comparisons?
Posted by: KinleyArdal at September 13, 2011 02:08 PM (1d0Z1)
Posted by: Andy at September 13, 2011 02:08 PM (5Rurq)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at September 13, 2011 02:08 PM (Mo+zF)
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 13, 2011 02:08 PM (OhYCU)
Seriously, how long does it take to make a decision regarding whether to run or not run.
Posted by: LaughingOutLoud! at September 13, 2011 02:01 PM
Clearly, none but an idiot would wait so long.
Posted by: Reagan, who announced on Nov 13 1979 at September 13, 2011 02:09 PM (GXgac)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 13, 2011 02:09 PM (EeYDk)
Though shalt not speak ill of Rick Perry or you will suffer eternal damnation.
Posted by: LeBron Steinman at September 13, 2011 02:09 PM (1Nee/)
Posted by: Hotair Commenter at September 13, 2011 02:09 PM (N8+Ri)
Perry is losing by 11 to Obama. Quick, better call PPP a fraud phony ace.
Where you be seeing that shit??
The generic GOP is winning by 4.
Troll.
Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at September 13, 2011 02:09 PM (hXJOG)
Oh, good. She finally announced her candidacy. Wait...she didn't?
Posted by: blindside at September 13, 2011 02:09 PM (3Uns6)
Posted by: jwb7605 at September 13, 2011 02:09 PM (+KHIt)
Anyway, we're not focusing on the true enemy here. Romney and Obama.
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at September 13, 2011 02:08 PM (Mo+zF)
Why did you say Obama twice?
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 13, 2011 02:10 PM (FkKjr)
*Agreeing does not indicate you hate, dislike or won't support Perry.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at September 13, 2011 02:10 PM (PEwFJ)
Also, may I suggest you go to opensecrets dot org
It appears as though Merck donates money to everyone to cover their bases
Posted by: Ben at September 13, 2011 02:11 PM (wuv1c)
Hold on.
Did a Palin staffer get a lobbyist gig with Merck?
Did Merck contribute to her campaign?
Posted by: Dave at September 13, 2011 02:11 PM (Xm1aB)
Solyndra getting $500 million of our money, when there were all sorts of red flags, and pissing it away on lines of coke off hookers' asses.
Posted by: EC at September 13, 2011 02:11 PM (GQ8sn)
And I don't know why she made the effort in her last speech to pitch the *fact* that she has been able to win campaigns when she has been grossly outspent in the past.
The reality is Obama has a record size campaign war chest...
I'm getting the idea she is testing the waters for a third party candidacy-and she is courting the Reagan Democrat that is union and views big corporations in a negative light.
Posted by: tasker at September 13, 2011 02:11 PM (brQV4)
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 13, 2011 02:11 PM (kaOJx)
Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at September 13, 2011 02:11 PM (hXJOG)
Posted by: FireHorse at September 13, 2011 02:07 PM (F5OMl)
It means there was an out clause in the EO that allowed parents to NOT get their daughter injected should they so choose.
Posted by: © Sponge at September 13, 2011 02:11 PM (UK9cE)
I read that as mental retardation. lol
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 13, 2011 02:11 PM (OhYCU)
Posted by: scizzorbill at September 13, 2011 02:11 PM (PG89d)
Bingo. Meanwhile, as our country hurtles towards more destruction...
Posted by: Cheri at September 13, 2011 02:12 PM (G+Wff)
I am probably going up that particular creek without a paddle, but is
there any chance that we can just all agree* that Perry Palin erred one way or
another in his handling of this?
---
fify
224
Anyway, we're not focusing on the true enemy here. Romney and Obama.
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Tell that to Palin.
Posted by: Y-not at September 13, 2011 02:12 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: JimK at September 13, 2011 02:12 PM (8zxwd)
Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 13, 2011 02:12 PM (0M3AQ)
Its taking longer than that for Palin to decide if she even wants to run for the job.
Indecisiveness is not agood characteristic for someone asking for the job of being President..... Palin keeps damaging herself with this long tease. But her faithful followers keep calling it "brilliant".
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 13, 2011 02:12 PM (mwfMy)
>>>But apparently when she said we have to vet all candidates, I'm to have understood that as "all candidates except Sarah Palin,"
Oh, good. She finally announced her candidacy. Wait...she didn't?
Right!! And until she does she can say anything she wants about any declared candidates with absolute immunity. Not only from the candidates themselves, but EVERYONE! Bloggers, commenters, writers, etc.
No one can criticize her until she declares!
Posted by: Ben at September 13, 2011 02:13 PM (wuv1c)
Eggzactly.
"What bothers me is that we can't call her shit out."
Yeah, if by "call her shit out" you mean hysterically whine like little bitches about every-damn-thing that woman does and cackle like a bunch of big bitches clack-clacking away in their sewing circle, then...
Wait a minute. You ARE doing that.
OBAMA!!!11!!!!FOEREVERER!!!!!!!! You goddamn racist morans.
Posted by: Vercingetorix at September 13, 2011 02:13 PM (N8eC4)
Yep, that's what most businesses do, and lawyers.
I'm sure Merck donated big bucks to the McCain/Palin campaign.
Posted by: tasker at September 13, 2011 02:13 PM (brQV4)
Just a reminder to half the morons on this blog what real crony capitalism looks like:
Solyndra
getting $500 million of our money, when there were all sorts of red
flags, and pissing it away on lines of coke off hookers' asses.
Posted by: EC at September 13, 2011 02:11 PM (GQ8sn)
Goldman Sachs. Tim Geithner.
Posted by: blindside at September 13, 2011 02:13 PM (3Uns6)
Posted by: Hobbitopoly at September 13, 2011 02:13 PM (h1p5V)
Posted by: Joffen at September 13, 2011 02:13 PM (EPcuy)
Perry admitted he did. Another forgotten fact.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 13, 2011 02:13 PM (kaOJx)
It'll be good for Palin the candidate...or not candidate.
Posted by: tasker at September 13, 2011 02:06 PM
Yes, it will. It will prepare her for similar phony attacks by the left. Calling her a hypocrite because Alaska got federal funds for Gardasil vaccinations is the very sort of thing the lefties will do.
Posted by: Reagan, who announced on Nov 13 1979 at September 13, 2011 02:13 PM (GXgac)
665 registered voters with 41% D, 34% R. Yeah, you go with that.
Posted by: Slublog at September 13, 2011 02:13 PM (0nqdj)
You know what's in Alaska? The Klondike!
What's in the Klondike? Gold!
Who likes gold? Joos!
There's only one candidate who will end the Jool hoarding of Klondike gold, and it ain't another Big-Government Statist Would-Be Conservative!
America's Greatest Patriot!
RAWN PAWL!!!1!
Posted by: The Guy Who Brings Up RAWN PAWL!!!1! at September 13, 2011 02:13 PM (r1ARs)
The Guardian (no friend of Sarah Palin) linked to this page on the "National Institute On Money In State Politics" website. It is a breakdown of the donors contributing to Palin's 2002 lt. governor's bid and her successful 2006 governor's race. No Merck or any other pharmaceuticals listed. Furthermore, the biggest percentage of political donations by far came from individuals.
LINK (pdf file)
Oh, and here's something included on the linked page:
Due to Alaska’s relatively strict campaign finance laws, where corporate contributions are banned and PACs could only give $1,000 per year during the 2006 elections, businesses and PACs gave a collective total of only $34,874, or 2.6 percent of the total.
Posted by: mrp at September 13, 2011 02:13 PM (HjPtV)
I've yet to see a Perry defender say that he did a good job getting his message out over the two debates. Maybe the fact that Perry defenders are talking about everything but Perry's performance indicates what they really thought of it.
Perry really did give you guys weak sauce with which to work. And you spilled most of it on your chins.
This is just the beginning of the vetting of L'il Ricky. Welcome to the NFL, son.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 13, 2011 02:13 PM (dcoFe)
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 13, 2011 02:14 PM (OhYCU)
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She's not that great a candidate anyway. She's a quitter and now's she's
trying to get as much money as possible until people wise up. In the
years since 2008 what has she contributed to conservative ideas?
Nothing.
Posted by: Joffen at September 13, 2011 02:07 PM (EPcuy)
Were you asleep through the entire damned health care debacle?Even that aside, she does well in rallying the base, a far sight better than any of the Presidential candidates. Even those who dislike her are energized into arguing their positions vehemently.The Left in general responds to, and attacks her when they are on the defensive, and the White House does as well. Her use of a medium as simple as Facebook generates panicked derision from Lefty enclaves and the Hill itself feels the need to answer her challenges. Every argument on the 'net is framed against Palin. She's contributed greatly to conservatism simply by doing what she does, and galvanizing everyone on both sides of the Republican party into action.Put bluntly, she's the most effective firebrand the Right has. Disagreeing with her actions, methods, or policies is understandable; arguing that she's done nothing for the cause is outright idiotic.
Posted by: KinleyArdal at September 13, 2011 02:14 PM (1d0Z1)
Oh, BTW, there's a simply darling new musical opening up Friday. Sushi at Fire Island Fujiyama, say, 7-ish? TTFN!
Posted by: Allahpundit. at September 13, 2011 02:14 PM (gQLr2)
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 13, 2011 02:14 PM (mwfMy)
Posted by: JimK at September 13, 2011 02:12 PM (8zxwd)
If you think you can buy Perry for $5K, you are a FUCKING IDIOT.Texans drop that much money in the parking lot of titty bars every night.
Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at September 13, 2011 02:15 PM (hXJOG)
Lemme give this one a crack.
How's "voluntary"?
The only reason it was opt-out and not opt-in was to force insurance plans to cover it. And before anyone gets his panties in a wad, every state in the union has insurance mandates.
Posted by: Andy at September 13, 2011 02:15 PM (5Rurq)
Yo, straight up I will say Perry is being a shitbag over hispandering and fucked up the vaccination thing, PERIOD. That said, he's the best candidate overall and I'm voting for him. Fuck all of you purists who think Sarah Palin or Bachman's vaginas are lined with gold or that somehow Romney is less of a RINO dickless squish monkey than Perry is.
Posted by: Christina Hendrick's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 13, 2011 02:15 PM (16UJh)
ongoing program and a governor signed mandate applied to all 12 yr old
female students.
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You're right. In the latter case it affected no one outside of Texas and, as it turns out, no one inside of Texas either. In the former case it cost me money through my federal tax dollars.
Posted by: Y-not at September 13, 2011 02:15 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Michelle Bachmann at September 13, 2011 02:15 PM (usXZy)
It took Obama eight months to decide whether to take out Bin Lade.
Its taking longer than that for Palin to decide if she even wants to run for the job.
Again, how do we know she hasn't decided?
Posted by: arhooley at September 13, 2011 02:15 PM (GXgac)
hysterically whine like little bitches about every-damn-thing that woman
does and cackle like a bunch of big bitches clack-clacking away in
their sewing circle, then...
Wait a minute. You ARE doing that.
OBAMA!!!11!!!!FOEREVERER!!!!!!!! You goddamn racist morans.
Posted by: Vercingetorix at September 13, 2011 02:13 PM (N8eC4)
You are one that I wouldn't follow into a foxhole.
Where does racism enter this conversation? Sometimes it's best to just be quiet.
Posted by: © Sponge at September 13, 2011 02:15 PM (UK9cE)
Guess now we're gonna lose.
Nice 180 we've made from a week ago.
People are more concerned with guessing right about something than anything else. Everyone wants to be able to say "I predicted that".
Weak shit. All of this.
Weak, emotional, irrational, childish, schoolyard and chickenshit.
We are getting so caught up in soap operas and horse races that we'll be lucky to field a candidate at all next November.
Posted by: sifty at September 13, 2011 02:16 PM (4CSeG)
Are republicans/conservatives really complaining about corporations giving donations to our candidates? Is that where we are now?
What's next, federally funded campaigns with no contributions?
Posted by: robtr at September 13, 2011 02:16 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: Anony at September 13, 2011 02:16 PM (7ahtU)
Posted by: mpfs, TPT, Barbarian & Evil Vaccine Supporter at September 13, 2011 02:16 PM (iYbLN)
Ace just eats Hobos and confused young boys. Fava beans seem to be his prefered side dish. Just sayin.
Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 13, 2011 02:16 PM (0M3AQ)
I've stated many times today that Perry has been a disappointment.
Are you a Palin supporter?
Posted by: Dave at September 13, 2011 02:16 PM (Xm1aB)
Posted by: jwest at September 13, 2011 02:17 PM (qeYI9)
What the fuck does this matter? I need someone to explain this to me -- how does Perry benefit here?
The idea seems to be that Perry is such a great guy he makes big decisions on behalf of friends, with no benefit flowing to he himself.
This is like the lefty claim that Cheney started the war in Iraq to benefit his "friends" at Halliburton.
Um, does he really like his friends that much?
>>>And the $5000 campaign contribution.
Wow, five fucking thousand dollars. Not even enough to buy a used entry-level sedan less than eight years old.
You're right, this is that there crony capitalism i've been talkin' about there with the pickin' the winners and losers you betcha.
Posted by: ace at September 13, 2011 02:17 PM (nj1bB)
* tries to come up with a plan to convince wife to become a stripper in Texas *
Posted by: EC at September 13, 2011 02:17 PM (GQ8sn)
You're right. In the latter case it affected no one outside of Texas and, as it turns out, no one inside of Texas either. In the former case it cost me money through my federal tax dollars.
Posted by: Y-not at September 13, 2011 02:15 PM
Did Texas get no federal funds for its Gardasil program? Or any other program?
Posted by: arhooley at September 13, 2011 02:17 PM (GXgac)
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 13, 2011 02:17 PM (OhYCU)
Posted by: Ed.Gein at September 13, 2011 02:17 PM (gQLr2)
Posted by: EC at September 13, 2011 02:18 PM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 13, 2011 01:54 PM (SB0V2)
FIFY
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at September 13, 2011 02:18 PM (LH6ir)
Haven't seen her at many rallies lately. She's hemorrhaging support every day. She was a small part of the early days of the tea party, nothing more. She's done. Her positions aren't anything new...she's got no new ideas worth talking about...she's not that great.
Posted by: Joffen at September 13, 2011 02:18 PM (EPcuy)
Really? Let's see the proof.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 13, 2011 02:18 PM (sbV1u)
Yes, because Sarah Palin is desperately casting about for a rationale for her candidacy.
So the Palin-heads have just signed up for her new campaign theme, "Crony Capitalism."
Again, I can't wait to take a look at Sarah's donors!
And remember, if any of those donors ever got a government contract or benefit...
Posted by: ace at September 13, 2011 02:18 PM (nj1bB)
heh. You said insurance mandate. You're going to burn for that one.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 13, 2011 02:18 PM (TMB3S)
See you in 2016. Maybe. Unless she gets another "reality" show.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 13, 2011 02:19 PM (kaOJx)
Again, how do we know she hasn't decided?
Posted by: arhooley at September 13, 2011 02:15 PM (GXgac)
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We know that because when Fox fired two other of their employees because they were considering or likely to run, Palin's supporters assured us that the same shouldn't happen to Palin because she had not decided one way or the other.
Posted by: Y-not at September 13, 2011 02:19 PM (5H6zj)
Oh. My. God. I just realized....I HAVE A VAGINA!!!!!
Posted by: mpfs, TPT, Barbarian Evil Vaccine Supporter at September 13, 2011 02:16 PM (iYbLN)
You are off my list bitch.
Posted by: Barney at September 13, 2011 02:19 PM (hXJOG)
I agree this crony capitalism critique is stupid.
But I still don't get the comparison to Palin on this subject.
Posted by: Dave at September 13, 2011 02:19 PM (Xm1aB)
I guess that means we get stuck with Obama again.
Posted by: Roy at September 13, 2011 02:19 PM (bm4vI)
Posted by: mpfs, TPT, Barbarian Evil Vaccine Supporter
The echo should have tipped you off.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 13, 2011 02:19 PM (6rX0K)
Posted by: Elize Nayden at September 13, 2011 02:19 PM (v49dF)
Posted by: Vercingetorix at September 13, 2011 02:20 PM (N8eC4)
Posted by: MAJHAM at September 13, 2011 02:20 PM (VIuJH)
Posted by: Ben at September 13, 2011 02:20 PM (wuv1c)
Posted by: Spike at September 13, 2011 02:21 PM (pAR1m)
It looks spectacular too!
Posted by: EC
Why thank you, I just had it fluffed.
Posted by: mpfs, TPT, Barbarian & Evil Vaccine Supporter at September 13, 2011 02:21 PM (iYbLN)
Posted by: Palinistas at September 13, 2011 02:21 PM (FkKjr)
Posted by: lu f/k/a laceyunderalls at September 13, 2011 02:21 PM (pLTLS)
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You tell me.
Why do I have to do your research for you?
You show me where Perry's EO included federal funds.
Palin supporters, like Paul supporters, hate the Feds except when it comes to those sweet federal dollars.
Posted by: Y-not at September 13, 2011 02:21 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: McLovin at September 13, 2011 02:21 PM (j0IcY)
Posted by: Christina Hendrick's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 13, 2011 02:22 PM (16UJh)
It's not really a "mandate." Their own policies, which they wrote, said they'd cover 'mandatory" vaccinations. SO if perry classifies this as "mandatory" (even though there is an opt-out), it's covered.
It's their own policies. By use of that word, Perry put them on the hook for the costs, but then, they could have rewritten to exclude gardasil, but they probably wouldn't, because that would be dumb.
Posted by: ace at September 13, 2011 02:22 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Jaynie59 at September 13, 2011 02:22 PM (4zKCA)
Posted by: no good deed at September 13, 2011 02:22 PM (mjR67)
Posted by: mpfs, TPT, Barbarian Evil Vaccine Supporter at September 13, 2011 02:21 PM (iYbLN)
I was referring to the vajazzling.
Posted by: EC at September 13, 2011 02:22 PM (GQ8sn)
They made the comment that Perry should have said to Bachmann-
Michele maybe you can be bought for $5,000...
Posted by: tasker at September 13, 2011 02:22 PM (brQV4)
Yes, because Sarah Palin is desperately casting about for a rationale for her candidacy.
Posted by: ace at September 13, 2011 02:18 PM (nj1bB)
She needs no rationale. It's a fair question whether she can win or not, but you frame this issue as seeking a rationale to run for President?Are you serious?
Posted by: KinleyArdal at September 13, 2011 02:22 PM (1d0Z1)
"At least he's a candidate. I'm tired of waiting for Palin. I've moved on."
You
know that the primaries are still months away, the election 14 months
away, and that all along she said something about late Sep...oh never
mind.
Posted by: Kensington at September 13, 2011 01:56 PM
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Heh.
Posted by: arhooley at September 13, 2011 02:22 PM (GXgac)
That is why you, Ace, are the man.
Posted by: California Doomin at September 13, 2011 02:22 PM (8DdAv)
I did, sort of. I started pushing her telling people to do Operation Chaos because Obama was clearly a better candidate, so we'd be better off if Hllary! won.
Posted by: ace at September 13, 2011 02:23 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Dr Spank at September 13, 2011 02:23 PM (1fB+3)
Indeed.
He certainly is putting in overtime, eh? I hope he's not in California, I think the assembly want to require you to provide babysitters' compensation and a replacement 'sitter every two hours to watch the retards.
Poor guy, it's like looking into an old punch-drunk boxers eyes, wondering if he still has the ability to even contemplate if that was really the battleground to fall on. Is Rick Perry really worth it?
Posted by: Uriah Heep at September 13, 2011 02:23 PM (KaHVv)
I thought he was good last night, although he did fade that second hour.
Posted by: ace at September 13, 2011 02:24 PM (nj1bB)
But I have to say that, generally speaking, all of this bullshit inclines me to lean more towards Romney. Simply because Perry isn't doing a very good job of defending himself at all on this crap, which inclines me to believe that he wouldn't be able to do a good job of defending himself against Obama.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 13, 2011 02:24 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: sleepy-beans at September 13, 2011 02:24 PM (5617J)
Obama was right on this one, had to be.
Posted by: robtr at September 13, 2011 02:24 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: lonestar at September 13, 2011 01:47 PM (mNf6+)
Yeah. I posted my first negative post about SP last nite on Hot Air. What came back at me wasn't exactly love. I respect the fact that she's hammered Obama since the election, and I give her lots of props for putting up with the mind-numbing crap thrown at her by libs (and by some Republicans). I just don't know what the helll she thinks she's doing anymore. Last nights debacle on Greta kinda sealed things. I wish her well, but it's time for her to either enter the race or go away. We're eating our own at a time when the SCoaMF is as weak as he'll ever be. Time to destroy him, not each other. Vetting is fine. Giving the opposition ammunition is uncalled for.
Posted by: Joejm65 at September 13, 2011 02:24 PM (mBp4i)
So the Palin-heads have just signed up for her new campaign theme, "Crony Capitalism."
In the words of one of my favorite bloggers...
Who's being pranked here?
This is what Palin ran on in Alaska. This was never a mystery. This is why McCain picked her. He thought she was a fake reformer, like him.
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 13, 2011 02:24 PM (OhYCU)
I get that there are issues with Gardasil. I think Santorum had a good point, that maybe there should be opt ins, not opt outs. But I guess this is just misguided born again dislike of sex stuff in schools. But really, Bachman and Palin picked the wrong hill to die on (I assume Ace's diatribe is based on SP jumping on this shitty issue).
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 13, 2011 02:24 PM (QxSug)
AWW SHIT!!!
We are going to destroy ourselves!!!!
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Not really. Palin is a fringe figure whose endorsement means nothing.
Romney is the threat, but I think Perry can take him out with conventional weapons without resorting to nuclear ones.
Posted by: Y-not at September 13, 2011 02:24 PM (5H6zj)
>>>> It means there was an out clause in the EO that allowed parents to NOT get their daughter injected should they so choose.In other words, optional; not mandatory. The only thing that's different is the default position -- Say so if you don't want your kid to get the shot, as opposed to Say so if you do want your kid to get the shot.
I wish the tax code was like that: "§6(a): It is left to the discretion of the filing partyas to whether they remit payment to the Treasury. The Treasury thinks they should, but it's up to the filing party to make the grown-up decision."
Posted by: FireHorse at September 13, 2011 02:25 PM (F5OMl)
Posted by: Sharron Angle at September 13, 2011 02:25 PM (f8XyF)
Perry sucked frankly.
His Dream Act defense that we don't care what their last names are is offensive.
This is going to hurt him.
And before last night I was big on Perry.
Not so much anymore.
Posted by: Dave at September 13, 2011 02:25 PM (Xm1aB)
Posted by: Michele Bachmann at September 13, 2011 02:25 PM (r1ARs)
Posted by: blaster at September 13, 2011 02:25 PM (l5dj7)
Posted by: mpfs, TPT, Barbarian Evil Vaccine Supporter at September 13, 2011 02:21 PM (iYbLN)
I thought you just shaved it, that's what Ace said.
Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at September 13, 2011 02:25 PM (hXJOG)
Posted by: Paul at September 13, 2011 02:25 PM (DsHk0)
>>>Can they not agree to take a moratorium on this slandering shit and collectively focus their venom on Obama???
No, especially because it's a contest with one winner. Bachmann, Santorum and Romney desperately want to beat Romney. They are common allies for the moment. They will continue this until they are bounced out of the race one by one. I assume Bachmann and Santorum will be out after Iowa. Then it''ll be down to Romney, Perry and Paul(who never leaves the race)
Posted by: Ben at September 13, 2011 02:25 PM (wuv1c)
Let's not forget that SARAH PALIN DID NOT RAPE AND MURDER A PROSTITUTE IN 1985.
Because we need to vet our candidates we have to understand that PALIN DID NOT RAPE AND MURDER A PROSTITUTE IN THE BACK OF A CIRCLE K IN 1985.
It is imperative, in our long struggle against the Democrat's National Socialist agenda, that we not forget that SARAH PALIN DID NOT RAPE AND MURDER AND FEED THE DEAD CORPSE OF A PROSTITUTE TO WOMBATS BEHIND A KMART IN 1985.
Yeah, vet, a$$holes, but stop making up stupid attacks, you idiots.
Posted by: Vercingetorix at September 13, 2011 02:25 PM (N8eC4)
Why thank you, I just had it fluffed.
Posted by: mpfs, TPT, Barbarian Evil Vaccine Supporter at September 13, 2011 02:21 PM (iYbLN)
I was referring to the vajazzling.
Posted by: EC
Vajazzling is soooo low rent. Eurotrash stuff.
Posted by: mpfs, TPT, Barbarian & Evil Vaccine Supporter at September 13, 2011 02:25 PM (iYbLN)
Posted by: Tami at September 13, 2011 02:25 PM (X6akg)
Palin lost me when she did the TV show.
That's where she lost me too, and for the same reasons.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 13, 2011 01:39 PM (sbV1u)
Me too.. had it been a travelogue.. I might have been OK with it. But.. ugh.. no.
Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp barbarian, tea party terrorist and Perry supporter at September 13, 2011 02:25 PM (qjUnn)
Posted by: KinleyArdal at September 13, 2011 02:22 PM (1d0Z1)
It's a reasonable question. Obama was pilloried on this and many other conservative sites because he had essentially no experience. How much more experience does Palin have? Not much.How well thought out has her shadow campaign been?
How many significant policy speeches or even suggestions has she made?How serious does she seem?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at September 13, 2011 02:26 PM (LH6ir)
the sex stuff, the social cons really hate sex in school stuff, and I am a social con. But this isn't a big deal.
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 13, 2011 02:26 PM (QxSug)
SARAH PALIN SAID LAST NIGHT WE SHOULD DO THIS. SHE PRAISED BACHMANN FOR MAKING AN UNFOUNDED CORRUPTION CHARGE. SHE SAID THAT WAS THE ONLY WAY TO KEEP EACH OTHER ACCOUNTABLE.
WAS SHE LYING? IF SHE WAS LYING, OR A HYPOCRITE, PLEASE TELL ME.
SORRY, BUT UNLIKE YOU H8RS, I'M GOING TO ASSUME SHE WAS NOT LYING AND NOT A HYPOCRITE AND MEANT IT WHEN SHE SAID WE MUST PUT ASIDE THE 11TH COMMANDMENT TO FERRET OUT EVEN THE MOST SPECULATIVE CLAIM OF THIS THERE CRONY CAPITALISM.
Posted by: ace at September 13, 2011 02:26 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Y-not at September 13, 2011 02:26 PM (5H6zj)
You’ve probably already done the research, so share the results with us.
How many governors mandated the vaccines?
Out of that number, how many of those governor’s former chief of staff worked for Merck?
If Perry was just one in the crowd of governors, Palin was wrong to question this.
Posted by: jwest at September 13, 2011 02:26 PM (qeYI9)
Think of it as NoirMail.....
Posted by: tasker at September 13, 2011 02:27 PM (brQV4)
Hey, hyper-genius.
The fucking debates were ENTIRELY ABOUT RICK PERRY. Because he's the front-runner, ya fuckin' dummy.
All your ankle-biting, yappy-dog, Palin-stroking faggotry is meaningless, and here's why:
The nominee is going to be Perry or Romney. Pick one. Even if your beloved Saragrizzlycudamom enters the race, she still doesn't get the nomination. And she doesn't care, anyway. All she's doing is polishing her own apple so that sweet reality show and white trashography cash can keep rolling in.
So keep sending her your money. Because stupid money burns the fingers of the righteous and Rick Perry will NOT be burned, bitch!
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 13, 2011 02:27 PM (XE2Oo)
What kickback did Perry get?
Posted by: taylork at September 13, 2011 02:27 PM (5wsU9)
Yours is quite fetching! All those stones spelling out G-A-R-D-A-S-I-L.
Posted by: EC at September 13, 2011 02:27 PM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC
No way, those corduroy condoms hurt.
Posted by: mpfs, TPT, Barbarian & Evil Vaccine Supporter at September 13, 2011 02:27 PM (iYbLN)
The Obama Administration did not keep Gerberding and she resigned from her post on January 20, 2009.[4]
and is now the president of Merck's Vaccine division.She is also
Director of MSD Wellcome Trust Hilleman Laboratories Private Limited, a
joint initiative between Merck and Wellcome Trust.
Posted by: ian cormac at September 13, 2011 02:27 PM (eMSXN)
>>>BTW, despite Perry's weak showing at the debates,
Are you kidding. He did very well. It was only in the last 20 minutes where he had to rebut every single other candidate that he looked a bit tired.
Posted by: Ben at September 13, 2011 02:27 PM (wuv1c)
2. Greta? She already proved she don't know shit from Scientology. Click
Posted by: Asscheeks of Saturn at September 13, 2011 02:27 PM (le5qc)
Posted by: Y-not at September 13, 2011 02:21 PM
Actually, it's your research -- you're the one who's suggesting that Palin is vulnerable on the basis that she accepted federal funds.
Anyway, I wasn't asking you in particular. It's an answer worth having if we're going to compare Palin's and Perry's Gardasil policies.
Posted by: arhooley at September 13, 2011 02:27 PM (GXgac)
>>>. And his chief of staff going to work for Merck.
What the fuck does this matter? I need someone to explain this to me -- how does Perry benefit here?
The idea seems to be that Perry is such a great guy he makes big
decisions on behalf of friends, with no benefit flowing to he himself.
This is like the lefty claim that Cheney started the war in Iraq to benefit his "friends" at Halliburton.
Um, does he really like his friends that much?
>>>And the $5000 campaign contribution.
Wow, five fucking thousand dollars. Not even enough to buy a used entry-level sedan less than eight years old.
You're right, this is that there crony capitalism i've been talkin'
about there with the pickin' the winners and losers you betcha.
Posted by: ace at September 13, 2011 02:17 PM (nj1bB)
Exactly. This whole "quid pro quo" shit being alleged is beyond mind-numbing stupid. It's all "crony capitalism" you betcha, except without any benefit whatsoever, in any way, shape or form to Perry. Damn! Done sure nailed him a good 'un there!
Posted by: Jimmuy at September 13, 2011 02:27 PM (WytJW)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at September 13, 2011 02:27 PM (0q2P7)
Who watches you in between parole officer visits and the many Father of the Year Awards, you simpering little skidmark?
Posted by: sifty at September 13, 2011 02:28 PM (4CSeG)
Posted by: Honey Badger at September 13, 2011 02:28 PM (GvYeG)
He was terrible, Ace, terrible. And I understand how we want to leap to his defense and that has a tendency to shade our impressions of such things, but his second half of the debate was disastrously poor. As you said in the liveblog, I'm grading less on policy than on style and salesmanship (i.e. I care about WINNING), and Perry's second half was implosively bad in the way he miserably handled Bachmann's BS attacks on Gardasil (the "I'm offended if you think I can be bought for only $5,000" seems, the more I think about it, to be epically bad), and his awful non-responses on the immigration stuff. I don't even care about the policies themselves so much as I do about the candidate's ability to spin them with some nice-sounding patter that gets them past the hump. And Perry
His first half was pretty great, we both agree. His second half tore a huge gaping hole into his candidacy, IMO, and unless he improves the next time out in a serious way I'm going to reconsider Team Romney. Because say what you will about Mitt, the guy hasn't been caught out a single time by anyone on any subject, and it matters.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 13, 2011 02:28 PM (hIWe1)
Doesn't mean we're not interested in it.
Jus' sayin'
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 13, 2011 02:28 PM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Clueless at September 13, 2011 02:28 PM (LyOUH)
Posted by: Max Entropy at September 13, 2011 02:29 PM (lH6z9)
Posted by: joffen at September 13, 2011 02:29 PM (EPcuy)
She's statistically tied with Romney in the latest CNN poll. You Perryistas are losing it.
Posted by: mrp at September 13, 2011 02:29 PM (HjPtV)
Posted by: Vergeltung at September 13, 2011 02:29 PM (jttPx)
As Rush pointed out today, this vaccination stuff won't hurt Perry.
Perry's Dream Act defense will though.
Posted by: Dave at September 13, 2011 02:29 PM (Xm1aB)
Posted by: Vercingetorix at September 13, 2011 02:25 PM (N8eC4)
How about this:Sarah Palin (of the lovely rack and backside) will never win the general election because she has demonstrated that she is a quitter by leaving the governorship of Alaska before her term was complete.I don't like quitters. I don't want one as president.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at September 13, 2011 02:29 PM (LH6ir)
Don't get me wrong, he definitely had his moments, but overall he definitely has room for improvement. The problem is he keeps having to defend positions that are largely indefensible to the base, and he really has no one to blame for that but himself. Better this comes up now though so he sharpen his ability to explain his actions down the road and turn the focus on something more important, like Obama destroying our country and stuff.
Posted by: Christina Hendrick's Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at September 13, 2011 02:29 PM (16UJh)
Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at September 13, 2011 02:30 PM (hXJOG)
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 13, 2011 02:30 PM (QxSug)
Perry should have just quit the governorship after the gardisil fiasco. That's what true leaders do, quit.
Posted by: Ben at September 13, 2011 02:30 PM (wuv1c)
Posted by: lu f/k/a laceyunderalls at September 13, 2011 02:30 PM (pLTLS)
Oh, well then I'm sure he's up to the rigors of the presidency.
Posted by: myrenovations at September 13, 2011 02:30 PM (YzjX1)
Perry, Bachmann, and Palin were all damaged last night. None permanently.
They need to dust themselves off and regroup.
It will be interesting to see who recovers, and who keeps up teh crazy.
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 13, 2011 02:30 PM (OhYCU)
Posted by: Dave at September 13, 2011 02:30 PM (Xm1aB)
Palin is vulnerable on the basis that she accepted federal funds.
NO, I pointed out that -- counter to the implication that what (almost) happened in Texas was worse than what happened in Alaska -- to me, sitting in the state of Utah, what Texans decided to do or not to do with their school system's vaccination requirements has no impact on me. In contrast, what Palin did did affect me because it involved my tax money.
Posted by: Y-not at September 13, 2011 02:31 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Quint&Jessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK at September 13, 2011 02:31 PM (C7KNt)
Say what you want about the debate and current candidates; Greta should have looked at Palin and asked when she would give an answer not befitting a 13 year old valley girl. Totally ...
Posted by: Honey Badger at September 13, 2011 02:31 PM (GvYeG)
election because she has demonstrated that she is a quitter by leaving
the governorship of Alaska before her term was complete.
Don't you understand? She resigned for all our sins. Like Jesus, but better because she's a hockey mom.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 13, 2011 02:31 PM (FkKjr)
It's
a reasonable question. Obama was pilloried on this and many other
conservative sites because he had essentially no experience. How much
more experience does Palin have? Not much.How well thought out has her shadow campaign been?
How many significant policy speeches or even suggestions has she made?How serious does she seem?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at September 13, 2011 02:26 PM (LH6ir)
Again, those are reasonable challenges, but the statement was: "Palin is seeking a rationale to throw her hat into the ring", with the implication being that this issue was somehow her ticket in.This is, quite simply, not that crucial, and the insinuation confuses the hell out of me, as does THE SUDDEN USE OF ALL CAPS TO TRY TO MAKE A POINT ON THE INTERNET. *@ 340
Posted by: KinleyArdal at September 13, 2011 02:31 PM (1d0Z1)
Yes. All the fashionable NY'ers are now growing it out and getting cornrows with little beads.
Posted by: Clueless at September 13, 2011 02:31 PM (LyOUH)
>>>Oh, well then I'm sure he's up to the rigors of the presidency.
Just like Palin is up to the rigors of the governorship?
Posted by: Ben at September 13, 2011 02:31 PM (wuv1c)
It wasn't $5000, btw. It was more, a lot more.
Perry probably shouldn't have gone there.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 13, 2011 02:31 PM (TMB3S)
where he had to rebut every single other candidate that he looked a bit
tired.
He and Bachman have one thing in common at least, it's their shitty fake Miss America smiles that they have to give while standing there.
Posted by: taylork at September 13, 2011 02:31 PM (5wsU9)
Perry's Dream Act defense will though.**
Jesus, what was that all about? Just because of their last names? No, fuck you, Perry, it's about their immigration status.
Sigh. Huntsman. Tell me why we should dislike him again?
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 13, 2011 02:32 PM (QxSug)
Dera 'Istas. Please show us how to bust up an online poll. I only have the ability to vote once. I haven't figured out all your neat tricks yet.
Posted by: lu f/k/a laceyunderalls at September 13, 2011 02:32 PM (pLTLS)
I hate to say this but the only way a debate matters is if you really screw up.
And usually it has to be a visual.
Think Al Gore.
I think you'd be *shocked* how many people decided to watch Monday Night Football instead.
Posted by: tasker at September 13, 2011 02:32 PM (brQV4)
I think Bachman will end up in the straitjacket before long.
Or at least be seen by the public as needing one.
And given the tone of the thread to this point, it was very hard not to type "pubic" there....
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 13, 2011 02:32 PM (sbV1u)
OK, backdoor mandate then.
The point being that while "mandatory with an opt-out" and "voluntary" are functionally equivalent as to whether a person is required to get the vaccine in order to attend school, etc., they are vastly different when it comes to who pays for the drug. And IIRC, this one was pretty expensive.
The EO was written this way specifically to put the cost on the insurer.
Posted by: Andy at September 13, 2011 02:32 PM (5Rurq)
Not really. Palin is a fringe figure whose endorsement means nothing.
She's statistically tied with Romney in the latest CNN poll. You Perryistas are losing it.
Posted by: mrp at September 13, 2011 02:29 PM (HjPtV)
---She's not a candidate.Her supporters have stated they will ignore her endorsement.
She has been unable to rehabilitate her image after almost three years.
Heck, she can't even get people to go to her movie.
Posted by: Y-not at September 13, 2011 02:33 PM (5H6zj)
Don't get me started.
Posted by: Summer's Eve at September 13, 2011 02:33 PM (LyOUH)
If she's Jesus, who's the Holy Spirit?
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 13, 2011 02:33 PM (sbV1u)
"Imma just gonna make shit up!!!!1!!!!1!!!eleventry!!!!"
Go with it, champ. Oh, I see you already ARE. How special.
Posted by: Vercingetorix at September 13, 2011 02:33 PM (N8eC4)
Huntsman is a plant by the Obama campaign. It becomes more clear with each debate.
What a useless f*cker.
Posted by: Dave at September 13, 2011 02:33 PM (Xm1aB)
Posted by: . at September 13, 2011 02:33 PM (gQLr2)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 13, 2011 02:31 PM (FkKjr)
Wow. If Jesus had an ass and rack like Palin I would reconsider my Judaism.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at September 13, 2011 02:34 PM (LH6ir)
__________
But.....polls are for strippers and skiers. Queen Pile-on said so, so it must be true.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 13, 2011 02:34 PM (mwfMy)
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 13, 2011 02:34 PM (kaOJx)
>>>"Imma just gonna make shit up!!!!1!!!!1!!!eleventry!!!!"
Go with it, champ. Oh, I see you already ARE. How special.
hey if Ace keeps up the pressure, Palin might just quit punditry, or any other vocation in which there is some sort of outside pressure.
Posted by: Ben at September 13, 2011 02:34 PM (wuv1c)
Thong or crotchless? This is what keeps me up at night.
That and the Miss Universe crotchtroversy.
Posted by: Pooter Hound at September 13, 2011 02:34 PM (le5qc)
KOS kids are loving the bitching between us.
Just saying it is mighty early to start eating our young.
ALL of this shit is inside baseball.
ACE, New thread PLEASE
Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at September 13, 2011 02:34 PM (hXJOG)
EOJ - its 14 months till VO Day. Right now Perry had better demonstrate he can handle barking baboons or he is done. Romney is stuck at his current numbers and prays the others kill themselves off to have a chance. That leaves only Newt or a candidate to be named later. So, can Perry take control of the baboons or they of him? I patiently await the answer. Tampa did not inspire confidence.
Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 13, 2011 02:34 PM (0M3AQ)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 13, 2011 02:31 PM (TMB3S)
It was an awful, AWFUL answer: I can't be bought off for so little money.
Posted by: Summer's Eve at September 13, 2011 02:34 PM (LyOUH)
Which, technically, is meaningless since she is not a candidate.
Posted by: Slublog at September 13, 2011 02:34 PM (0nqdj)
Posted by: mpfs, TPT, Barbarian Evil Vaccine Supporter at September 13, 2011 02:25 PM (iYbLN)
Not if you get yours done where ace does. They do mighty fine work there.
Posted by: Gabe at September 13, 2011 02:35 PM (ggRof)
Whaaaat? A govenor accepted federal funding for something? Call the police, Palin must be arrested for this!
Huge difference between you must get this vaccine and it is available if you want it. Please oh please show me a candidate for any office who is completely spotless, who has never done something that someone some where didn't like. Where oh where is the perfect candidate? Every single GOP candidate has been somehow proven to be not worthy of the nomination. What happens when we have no one left? So the true agenda here is to get Ostupidfuckingdumbassduchebagliarpiceofshitamericahatingfuckfaceunionwhorebama re-elected right?
Posted by: JMC at September 13, 2011 02:35 PM (7TLZ6)
Go with it, champ. Oh, I see you already ARE. How special.
Posted by: Vercingetorix at September 13, 2011 02:33 PM (N8eC4)
So...Palin didn't accept federal funds for Gardasil?
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 13, 2011 02:35 PM (FkKjr)
Since our Intrade troll is a no show so far the latest prices there are...
Romney $4.00
Perry $3.50
Huntsman $0.62
Palin $0.55
Bachmann $0.35
Paul $0.32
Newt $0.13
Posted by: Bob Saget at September 13, 2011 02:36 PM (F/4zf)
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 13, 2011 02:36 PM (OhYCU)
You are a misogynist and a racist, and you probably pick your nose in church.
Posted by: Palin! Palin! at September 13, 2011 02:36 PM (LH6ir)
If you criticize her, expect that people who like her will defend her. This will happen with any candidate.
I don't think what she's doing now is helpful to the GOP winning the presidency next year, but I don't think the circular firing squads are that helpful either.
One thing folks should keep in mind is that politicians, like you and I, are not perfect and will make mistakes. So nobody should expect perfection (you won't get it, especially among politicians for goodness' sakes).
Anyway it is primary season, and I'm sure most of us will rally around the eventual nominee.
Just my $0.02.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 13, 2011 02:36 PM (21lBC)
Posted by: Y-not at September 13, 2011 02:37 PM (5H6zj)
Yeah, Charlie. We know how "cool" you are.
Posted by: Clueless at September 13, 2011 02:37 PM (LyOUH)
Newt!Newt!Newt!Newt!Newt!Newt!Newt!
Newt!
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 13, 2011 02:37 PM (QxSug)
I'm statistically tied with Huntsman. Big thing Palin and I have in common, neither of us is running.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 13, 2011 02:37 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: kawfy at September 13, 2011 02:37 PM (2trrN)
Posted by: Gabe at September 13, 2011 02:35 PM (ggRof)
What was that address again?
Posted by: Barney at September 13, 2011 02:37 PM (hXJOG)
Great comment. Thank you.
Posted by: Joejm65 at September 13, 2011 02:38 PM (mBp4i)
Well, I'm sure it was tiring after awhile fending off the people who are all supposed to be on the same side.
Posted by: jewells45 teapartyterrorist at September 13, 2011 02:38 PM (l/N7H)
Romney comes perilously close to looking and sounding like a know it all from Massachusetts -ironically from land of Kerry the yacht tax evader.
btw-both of those examples are from general election debates...
I can't really remember a specific moment from a primary debate where a viable candidate lost the election.
Posted by: tasker at September 13, 2011 02:38 PM (brQV4)
Clearly she wasn't. Then again,she didn't get exhausted fromanswering questions from 7 other Republicans.
Posted by: myrenovations at September 13, 2011 02:38 PM (YzjX1)
Hey man, it would be good news to me. I'm on Team Perry, though I'll admit that his shaky debate performances (and Romney's acing of them) is making me waver. I consider them to be far more of a wash in terms of actual political outcomes as President than a number of others here do (with Perry slightly better), so my primary criterion is electability.
And even if nobody was watching THIS debate, they will be watching the Presidential debates vs. Obama, who is a notorious cockpuncher when it comes to fighting dirty. Moreover, people might not have seen last night's debate, but the answers on immigration and HPV will reverberate throughout the GOP primary voting base for weeks to come. So good performances matter, a lot. To me, at least.
I suppose I'm quite different from most people on this site (whether the bigtime Perry partisans or the invested Romney fans) in that I like both equally as much, more or less. I really don't understand or get the visceral "I HATE MITT" crap that some people like to spew...seems like a replay of the 2010 "RINO-hunting" mania for some of those folks.
BTW, I think I might just be back to voting for Mickey Mouse if Bachmann were to win the nomination. Sorry, but mainstreaming anti-vax propaganda puts you over that line for me. She's now fallen beneath Ron Paul in my list of acceptable candidates.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 13, 2011 02:38 PM (hIWe1)
Let's keep our eye on the ball.
Let's see the forest through the trees.
Palin isn't going to be the nominee, or VP.
Neither is Bachman.
Let's get a good feel for what we've got in either Mitt or Perry, get a solid VP candidate on board with the eventual nominee, and beat Obama, take the Senate, and increase our hold in the House.
Posted by: MostlyRight at September 13, 2011 02:38 PM (ZG8Ti)
to me, sitting in the state of Utah, what Texans decided to do or not
to do with their school system's vaccination requirements has no impact
on me.
And I'm saying, since you assert that as a fact, you must know that Perry accepted no federal funds for the Texas Gardasil program.
And let me get this clear: Are you saying that you as a Utahn don't want your federal tax dollars going to any grants to the states? Good luck with that.
Posted by: arhooley at September 13, 2011 02:38 PM (GXgac)
ummm... I'm not liking the sound of this.
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 13, 2011 02:36 PM (OhYCU)
I am!
Posted by: Barney Frank at September 13, 2011 02:38 PM (LH6ir)
I hate him smug anti-science, "oh I believe in science, so should you," bullshit, but Huntsman is otherwise making nice noises.
(Newt!)
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 13, 2011 02:38 PM (QxSug)
Christ, assholes, get a psychologist, tell him how your mother didn't love you, and leave this hissy-fit shit out of it.
This post is Ricky-Martin-riding-Elton-John's-face GHEY.
Posted by: Vercingetorix at September 13, 2011 02:39 PM (N8eC4)
Posted by: Tom In Korea at September 13, 2011 02:39 PM (1boAx)
There is lots of info on the internet about Gardasil and a whole lot of it is scary stuff. I have 4 kids and 2 grandbabies, everyone of them up to date on their vacinations. But there is no way in hell I was giving an untested drug to my girls, period..
Perry said he made a mistake now.. Big deal.. He had absolutely no problem at all mandating that girls in Texas receive this drug. That is the big daddy/big goverment thinking that should make everyone pay attention to what else he is doing.
Posted by: angrygrandma at September 13, 2011 02:39 PM (KE4Hm)
Perry thinks those that oppose the Texas Dream Act care about "last names" or otherwise are bigoted.
He doesn't care how they got here meaning he'll offer up in-state tuition to an adult who crosses the border illegally and then waits for 3 years.
And it has been reported he opposes E-Verify.
It sounds more and more like La Raza.
Troubling. I was expecting more of a humanitarian defense of the Dream Act, but got a facefull of George W. and La Raza talking points.
I'm sorry, but he had better fix this NOW, or I'm out of the Perry camp.
Posted by: Dave at September 13, 2011 02:39 PM (Xm1aB)
I think Trump was leading this poll a few weeks ago. Lighten up , folks. Enjoy the vetting!
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 13, 2011 02:39 PM (OhYCU)
Posted by: Barney Frank at September 13, 2011 02:40 PM (mjR67)
>>Clearly she wasn't. Then again, she didn't get exhausted from answering questions from 7 other Republicans.
good thing our candidate will only have to go up against one SCOAMF in the presidential debates then.
Posted by: Ben at September 13, 2011 02:40 PM (wuv1c)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at September 13, 2011 02:29 PM (LH6ir)
Strangely enough, you can not sue the President for ethics violations and force him to pay the court costs for his defense...One can sue the Governor of Alaska and force them to personally pay the court costs ... even when the ethics lawsuit is frivolous or is dismissed ...
Posted by: Adriane at September 13, 2011 02:40 PM (L9W0l)
Posted by: Dr Spank at September 13, 2011 02:40 PM (1fB+3)
The term crony capitalism is ghey ...
Posted by: Honey Badger at September 13, 2011 02:40 PM (GvYeG)
Posted by: Serious Cat at September 13, 2011 02:41 PM (sVrSt)
Posted by: Vercingetorix at September 13, 2011 02:41 PM (N8eC4)
That's right, fuckin' meh.
I just watched Palin's comments about Perry, which strongly indicate that she IS running (otherwise why bother to attack?)... and she beat up on Perry's administration for "crony capitalism" and the mandate. So what the hell? Alaska didn't mandate the vaccine's use, right? Did someone get paid off? Yes, of course she blew Federal funds on it, but probably every governor in the country did during Dubya's administration.
What's the big fucking deal here?
While I think Palin should run, I don't give a shit between her or Perry or Romney or even RON PAUL! and defeating Obama. But this post is waaaay overblowing the HIPOCRISIE!!!1!
If Palin runs, she'll have to defend herself on this, and she should be able to do so.... unless she signed a mandate.
C'mon. Meh. Meh. Mehmehmehmehmehmeh.
Posted by: fiatboomer at September 13, 2011 02:41 PM (4Nrdo)
He had absolutely no problem at all mandating that girls in Texas
receive this drug.
Posted by: angrygrandma at September 13, 2011 02:39 PM (KE4Hm)
Maybe you missed the other four thousand times it was posted that you could opt out of the vaccine.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 13, 2011 02:41 PM (FkKjr)
My candidate is vetted.
My candidate will get the nomination.
My candidate will get my vote.
My candidate will win.
My candidate is ABO. Everything else is dross.
Anybody But Obama
Posted by: trainer at September 13, 2011 02:41 PM (Rojyk)
Posted by: willow at September 13, 2011 02:41 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: myrenovations at September 13, 2011 02:41 PM (YzjX1)
Posted by: KinleyArdal at September 13, 2011 02:42 PM (1d0Z1)
Nice try there, Willow.
Posted by: Clueless at September 13, 2011 02:42 PM (LyOUH)
Perry accepted no federal funds for the Texas Gardasil program.
He couldn't, could he since it did not happen.
Sorry, but Perry is much more of a federalist than Palin is, that's certain. And that's what I want in the White House. I don't want someone from a state so oddball in terms of its economic situation that the Cato Institute doesn't even bother to try to score the governor. I want someone from a state that contends with most of the major issues facing this country, including illegal immigration btw, who has shown me that he can achieve great results in this current economy. That's not Palin and that's not Romney.
Posted by: Y-not at September 13, 2011 02:42 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 13, 2011 02:42 PM (o2lIv)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 13, 2011 02:42 PM (UnIj3)
Posted by: kawfy at September 13, 2011 02:42 PM (2trrN)
Posted by: Vercingetorix at September 13, 2011 02:41 PM (N8eC4)
What, are random synapses in your brain firing? Where is ace 'making shit up?'
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 13, 2011 02:43 PM (FkKjr)
As far as Perry and the attacks -- I thought he did fine.
His performance was okay. Yes, I think the 'I'm offended" line was fine, because it really was not a bribe-level amount of money.
The reason his defenses didn't seem so good is, frankly, his policies on these two points are unpopular with the harder-core parts of the party. That is, the substance is a problem.
I don't really have a serious problem with the immigration thing... though I do have some problem. He is weaker on immigration that I would like.
But then, so are most people. NumbersUSA gave Perry a D- on immigration. They gave Bachmann a C. They gave Romney a D.
And Palin... well Palin of course is always excused by her supporters for supporting McCain's amnesty.
But I don't excuse her.
In fact, the politics of this are rather hard.
Posted by: ace at September 13, 2011 02:43 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 13, 2011 02:43 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: Barry H Obeyme at September 13, 2011 02:43 PM (3oPjL)
Posted by: willow at September 13, 2011 02:43 PM (h+qn8)
good thing our candidate will only have to go up against one SCOAMF in the presidential debates then.**
SCOAMF can't even finish his waffles without getting pissy.
As for Palin quitting, she was getting sued to oblivion by bad Alaskan rules and insane lefties. Palin is the last true voice of conservatism blah blah blah but by going all in on Gardasil with Bachman (who is the current last true voice of conservatism), has sort of both knocked themselves out of the race.
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 13, 2011 02:43 PM (QxSug)
1). Correct
2). Don't care. This comes down to Perry or Romney. Who gives a shit which, as long as it isn't Obama?
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 13, 2011 02:43 PM (vzFJV)
stronger then most, but 70% of Cervical Cancers are due to HPV and HPV
is a virus that travels also through other contacts not just sexual.
Yes there is a big difference between mandating a vaccine, and accepting federal funds for it if you are talking about the impetus for those two actions.
What Mrs Palin did, unfortunately, is accuse Perry of a motivation of Crony Capitalism. If the mandate was done for protecting citizens from a horrible disease it is stupid but not evil, but if Perry moved ahead with the motivation of profiting from the mandate then it is wrong. Ace's point is that, because she used this platform to attack from she opens herself up on this front. If she was getting donations from Merck (I will almost guarantee she wasn't) for increasing the purchasing of the vaccine then that is just as much Crony Capitalism.
I for one do not think that either made these decisions for profit, and we should be comparing the great things that each of our candidates have done and determining who can lead us. Not distorting the motivations of each other for what they have done. That is not to say that Perry shouldn't answer questions, just like Romney, Paul, and the crew, but when the candidates give their replies to why they did what they did it is not beneficial to attack at their motives.
Posted by: ConsensusScienceIsBunk at September 13, 2011 02:44 PM (cqavb)
Posted by: Vercingetorix at September 13, 2011 02:44 PM (N8eC4)
Way to take a winning demographic slice and reshuffle it until you lose.
We don't have solid polling on the recent immigration and Gardasil exchanges, but lets see where the voting public falls in the Romney-Perry Social Security debate:
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Americans strongly disagree with the statements Rick Perry made about
Social Security in last week's Republican Presidential debate, and
Barack Obama has nearly doubled his lead over Perry nationally in the
span of just 3 weeks.
Only 20% of voters agree with Perry that Social Security is a Ponzi
scheme to 70% who dissent from that statement. Democrats (4/87) and
independents (20/69) are pretty universal in their disagreement with
Perry and even Republicans (39/49) don't stand with him on this one.
When it comes to the possibility of actually ending Social Security
voters are even more unanimous- 82% oppose taking that step to only 10%
who would be supportive of it. If Perry ends up as the Republican
nominee and Democrats can effectively convince the electorate that he
does want to end Social Security it could be an extremely damaging issue
for him.
In fact it appears that Perry's rhetoric on Social Security could
already be causing him problems. When PPP did a national poll three
weeks ago Barack Obama led Perry by only 6 points at 49-43. Now that
gap has widened to 11 points at 52-41. The main movement has come with
Democratic voters. On the previous poll Obama had only a 68 point lead
with the party base at 81-13 but now it's 80 points at 89-9. We know
there are a lot of Democratic voters disenchanted with Obama right now
but if the GOP puts forward someone like Perry who's willing to go after
one of the Holy Grails of the party's orthodoxy like Social Security it
might scare those voters back into the fold....
Mitt Romney continues to look like the considerably more electable GOP
contender. He trails Obama by only 4 points at 49-45. You can see the
difference between Romney and Perry's general election viability at this
point particularly with independents. While Perry's favorability with
them is just 23/51 as mentioned above, Romney's is 44/39. And where
Perry trails Obama by 10 points with them, Romney actually holds a 2
point advantage. Romney also consolidates the GOP vote better than
Perry (87% as opposed to 82%) and wins over slightly more Democrats (11%
to Perry's 9%). If Republican voters really value having a candidate
who can beat Obama, as they claim to, Romney's their guy at this point.- PPP, released today.
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Posted by: Uriah Heep at September 13, 2011 02:44 PM (KaHVv)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 13, 2011 02:43 PM (vzFJV)
This.
Posted by: Clueless at September 13, 2011 02:44 PM (LyOUH)
Posted by: EC at September 13, 2011 02:44 PM (GQ8sn)
Did I dream that?
Didn't you just violate the 11th commandment by attacking Palin, and continuing to? I mean if you shouldn't ever criticize your own side, why do you keep doing so?
I'm not saying I necessarily agree with Reagan's 11th commandment I just find this... inconsistent, let's say.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 13, 2011 02:44 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 13, 2011 02:45 PM (QxSug)
For some of us, "I read it on the Internet" is an ironic joke.
For others of us, "I read it on the Internte" is a life motto.
Posted by: ace at September 13, 2011 02:45 PM (nj1bB)
Let's hate on someone else for a minute -- Yahoo.
CNN's Tea Party Partnership: "Odd" at best "unethical" at worst.
Oh and stick around to the part in which he quotes a guy that calls the TP a 'splinter group'.
Posted by: lu f/k/a laceyunderalls at September 13, 2011 02:45 PM (pLTLS)
I haven't grown to despise Rove because he criticizes Republicans; I've grown to despise Rove because he sabotages our primary winners during the general election.
Posted by: Kensington at September 13, 2011 02:45 PM (znT2j)
SHE FUCKING INSTRUCTED TO ME YOU OBTUSE FLAG-WAVER.
ARE HER WORDS GENUINE OR FALSE? ANSWER ME.
Posted by: ace at September 13, 2011 02:46 PM (nj1bB)
Looks to me like Palin and Perry were doing the same thing, with their hearts in the same place- trying to make sure all girls had access to the vaccine regardless of income. Neither governor wanted to ask the state's conservative taxpayers to pay for it. So Palin used federal funds to pay for it, and Perry tried to mandate the vaccine for all so the insurance companies would pay for it.
In neither state would anyone be forced to receive the vaccine if their parents did not want them to.
So Palin had no reason to attack Perry on this, and supporters of one have no reason to attack the other.
Posted by: rockmom at September 13, 2011 02:46 PM (lSyyU)
Perry probably shouldn't have gone there.
Was it more than Merck donated to the McCain/Palin campaign?
Posted by: tasker at September 13, 2011 02:46 PM (brQV4)
Perry should be criticized roundly for implementing a mandatory vaccine by executive order instead of through the legislature, and there is a greater argument about states' pursuing their own immunization regimes without a national consensus.
But the disinformation about HPV and Gardisil in particular, and especially about vaccinations in general, is just stupid and insane.
It's like opening up the door to the Truthers. It is a threat to public health. Vaccinations do NOT cause autism, retardation, etc. There is not a shred of credible evidence of it. What there was, was later proven incorrect and even falsified.
Posted by: Will Folks at September 13, 2011 02:46 PM (VfmLu)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 13, 2011 02:46 PM (FkKjr)
Perry was wrong in PROCESS!, THAT is what he admitted, he fucked up the process!!! but the goal is the same as mandatory flu vacc's, mandatory MMR, manditory PVOI!!!
I would like to find ONE person who doesn't know less than 2 people who had sex! NAME THEM!?!?!?!
EVERYONE, absolutely everyone alive knows at least 2 people who have had sex!
This gardasil thing is driving me fucking nuts! Go bitch along with Jenny McCarthy all you fucking idiots! everyone else, just ignore it.
Posted by: Douglas at September 13, 2011 02:46 PM (YKOnu)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at September 13, 2011 02:46 PM (PEwFJ)
must know that Perry accepted no federal funds for the Texas Gardasil
program. And let me get this clear: Are you saying that you as a
Utahn don't want your federal tax dollars going to any grants to the
states? Good luck with that.
Posted by: arhooleyExactly arhooley.
It's called the Vaccines For Children Program. I know, I work with this program. Your federal tax dollars are funding California's VFC program.
Posted by: mpfs, TPT, Barbarian & Evil Vaccine Supporter at September 13, 2011 02:46 PM (iYbLN)
but everyone else was doing it is your defense?? i thought sarah was above all that, the one true pure leader. now you say she just follows the pack??
Posted by: chas at September 13, 2011 02:46 PM (TKF1Y)
665 registered voters with 41% D, 34% R. So, yeah, there's that.
Posted by: Slublog at September 13, 2011 02:47 PM (0nqdj)
Damn right.
Because if he gets a second term, he's going full-bore, all in socialist. If that happens there will beno getting rid of Obamacare because it will be buried so far deep in the Federal maw that no one will ever be able to find all the supporting and interlocking rules, programs, and budget gimmicks that make it run.
Anyone. But. Obama.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 13, 2011 02:47 PM (sbV1u)
And Palin didn't mandate that Alaskan girls have the vaccine? Meaning, of course, that she's not in favor of state coercion.
And the money mentioned in the article was offered to Alaska by the Federal government, specifically for the purpose, and not solicited from it by the Palin administration? Meaning, of course, she wasn't (in that instance - the Bridge to Nowhere may have been different) begging for a Federal handout.
I fail to see the negative for Palin in this item. She's not an anti-vaxxer like Bachmann seems to be, and she's not a mandater like Perry (fleetingly) was.
Posted by: stuiec at September 13, 2011 02:47 PM (98Xq9)
What is it with these people who take such a mentally unbalanced position against Palin?
Posted by: jwest at September 13, 2011 02:47 PM (qeYI9)
I do see a distinction between mandating Gardasil and making it more available.
Posted by: arhooley at September 13, 2011 01:37 PM (GXgac)<<<
Forget it. He's rolling.
Posted by: Kerry at September 13, 2011 02:48 PM (a/VXa)
Please. Every candidate gets hammered here. Well, Perry not so much but every other one.
Palin keeps inserting herself into the race, mainly by hacking away at other candidates and trying to big foot them. She is fair game.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 13, 2011 02:48 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: Jimmah at September 13, 2011 02:49 PM (F13r2)
Strangely enough, you can not sue the President for ethics violations and force him to pay the court costs for his defense...One
can sue the Governor of Alaska and force them to personally pay the
court costs ... even when the ethics lawsuit is frivolous or is
dismissed ...
Posted by: Adriane at September 13, 2011 02:40 PM
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Yeah, but she was askin' for it.
Posted by: arhooley at September 13, 2011 02:49 PM (GXgac)
Posted by: ian cormac at September 13, 2011 02:49 PM (eMSXN)
supporter on this blog or any other say they would not support Perry or
Romney if they won the nomination.
---
I have.
Posted by: Y-not at September 13, 2011 02:50 PM (5H6zj)
But I am telling you earnestly that I am sick of this shit. This country is teetering on a thin edge and if the last three years have taught us anything, it is that we need someone who is serious and dedicated. The future of this country is not a game. It isn't a play pretty. Serious people act serious. They don't become coy about their intentions. Personally I don't believe she can beat The SCFOFAMF. The MFM took her out. It's maddening and unfair but life is often that way.
She quit as governor and her motives don't matter but outcomes do. If she wants to make money, good for her. If she wants to be a celebrity, good for her. I want someone to seriously work towards saving this nation. If all this internal R bashing gets The SCFOFAMF re-elected, then I say bring on the end. We deserve it.
Posted by: Sgt. Fury at September 13, 2011 02:50 PM (sX+cx)
Now yer gettin' a clue, Ace!
Hold them ALL accountable.
Notice how every national level politician is touted as an 'outsider,' especially those who are new on the national stage??
How can you be a political outsider when you've been a politician for most of your life? Same wrt Governor Palin. Touted as a political outsider,she was a politician for over eighteen years when she was nominated for V.P. (Hell, McCain did it with that whole 'Maverick' meme for all of those years...) Obama? Same claim...but he was involved in one political organiztion or another long before he became Illinois's state legislative golden boy.
One group or another of Americans, when it's not all of us, keep drinking the kool-aid... and anyone who questions the kool-aid drinkers is set upon by the mob of drinkers.
We continue to do this and then wonder how we ended up with the political process and leadership we've got...
Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at September 13, 2011 02:50 PM (E7Z1r)
I don't, but I can get you a youtube clip of her quitting.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 13, 2011 02:50 PM (kaOJx)
Wait until the next round of polling, I expect to see Perry stay about where he was, Mitt will move up a tick, and Bachmann is heading into Huntsman and Santorum territory.
And Palin? I now firmly believe that she is just a media whore looking to score a pile of bucks off her celebrity.
Posted by: dave_in_fla at September 13, 2011 02:51 PM (9t6jP)
Posted by: James Franklin at September 13, 2011 02:51 PM (48wze)
Posted by: stuiec at September 13, 2011 02:47 PM
But remember -- Palin supporters are deluded and irrational.
Posted by: arhooley at September 13, 2011 02:51 PM (GXgac)
Posted by: mpfs, TPT, Barbarian & Evil Vaccine Supporter at September 13, 2011 02:51 PM (iYbLN)
I can vote for Perry. I cannot vote for Romney. Just sayin. Romney is McCain Redux. I did that last time. Never again. I can vote for Newt - just for the sheer pleasure of watching him fillet SCOAMF live on TEEVEE. So, right now I see two possibles and five impossibles on teh dais. Just sayin.
Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 13, 2011 02:51 PM (0M3AQ)
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 13, 2011 02:51 PM (fXoAJ)
Thanks Ace, guess I will go back to reading, posting being for those that agree with Ace.. Your house, Your rules..
Posted by: angrygrandma at September 13, 2011 02:51 PM (KE4Hm)
Posted by: sleepy-beans at September 13, 2011 02:52 PM (5617J)
supporter on this blog or any other say they would not support Perry or
Romney if they won the nomination.
Are you fucking kidding me? You have to be kidding me. They say this shit ALL THE TIME. Hell, Flapjackmaka (as crazy a 'Nista as they get) was hinting at that in this very thread. There are tons of examples elsewhere. You're out to lunch, bro.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 13, 2011 02:52 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Joffen at September 13, 2011 02:52 PM (EPcuy)
No, you haven’t. But like Ace, you believe you have.
Posted by: jwest at September 13, 2011 02:52 PM (qeYI9)
I gotta tell you, I've been a longtime fan of ace because he commiserates with my anger at the world. If you fuck this up, if you MAKE me angry, there are other options. I'm nothing, a clicky-or-three a day, but ask CJ about the magical powers of addition.
My last here, have fun beating Mrs. Sarah Goldstein.
Posted by: Vercingetorix at September 13, 2011 02:52 PM (N8eC4)
ARE HER WORDS GENUINE OR FALSE? ANSWER ME
You mad, bro?
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 13, 2011 02:53 PM (0yt4x)
Posted by: willow at September 13, 2011 02:54 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: Honey Badger at September 13, 2011 02:54 PM (GvYeG)
Posted by: Jimmah at September 13, 2011 02:54 PM (F13r2)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 13, 2011 02:53 PM (0yt4x)
I just spit an ice cube across the room!
Posted by: Tami at September 13, 2011 02:54 PM (X6akg)
Hell, even Perry gets it from both barrels by you, and gets a lot of more measured criticism even from his supporters (again: this thread is a good example).
The AoSHQ comment section is almost miraculously pluralistic when it comes to willingness to address arguments from every wing of the GOP.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 13, 2011 02:55 PM (hIWe1)
pointing and clawing at those who have a chance to help save this
country from the likes of Obama. She should have kept her trap shut.
These debates have turned into a crap on (insert your candidate) They
should all be disciplined enough to poke at Obamas failures over and
over and over until there is no doubt that ANYONE is better than the
SCOAMF! The only one doing that is Newt...and I dont like the Newt! UGH
Posted by: kawfy at September 13, 2011 02:37 PM
Okay fine, no more fingerpointing. ROMNEYCARE IS DOUBLEPLUS GOOD.
Posted by: arhooley at September 13, 2011 02:55 PM (GXgac)
Posted by: tasker at September 13, 2011 02:55 PM (brQV4)
Posted by: mpfs, TPT, Barbarian & Evil Vaccine Supporter at September 13, 2011 02:55 PM (iYbLN)
If there's anything on the internet worth reading, it'll be in my Stack of Stuff™, goddammit!
Posted by: Rush Limbaugh at September 13, 2011 02:55 PM (r1ARs)
The rest, I would pull the lever for just to get SCOAMF out of DC
Posted by: kawfy at September 13, 2011 02:56 PM (2trrN)
Posted by: Honey Badger at September 13, 2011 02:54 PM
Get used to hearing this date: November 13, 1979.
Posted by: arhooley at September 13, 2011 02:56 PM (GXgac)
Cool story bro, guess it's time for me to bring out my nuclear bomb:
Sarah Palin is a Stuttering Clusterfuck of a Miserable Failure.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 13, 2011 02:56 PM (hIWe1)
Sinceno Republican candidate ever was suitable, and no Republican candidate can ever be suitable, what now? How about closing all the conservative blogs, since there is really nothing to discuss. Yes, you've all been living a lie. The structure of the universe itself is Progressive andLeftist at thesubatomic level. Just lie back, smoke a joint, and let the progressive waveforms superimpose and don't fight it.
Posted by: Wm T Sherman at September 13, 2011 02:56 PM (w41GQ)
Anyone have a link to an online copy of Palin's executive order
mandating an opt out plan to vaccinate every underage female in the
state?
It was on her desk but she didn't finish signing it.
Posted by: Dr Spank at September 13, 2011 02:57 PM (1fB+3)
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 13, 2011 02:57 PM (OhYCU)
Not necessarily in that order
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 13, 2011 02:57 PM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Countrysquire at September 13, 2011 02:57 PM (QB3JR)
Posted by: arhooley at September 13, 2011 02:49 PM (GXgac)
I'll say she was. Did you see how she was dressed? BEGGING for it.
Posted by: stuiec at September 13, 2011 02:58 PM (98Xq9)
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 13, 2011 02:58 PM (OhYCU)
I dunno what to tell you. If Palin is unelectable for THAT, have fun with Bam-Bam, idiots.
Posted by: Vercingetorix at September 13, 2011 02:59 PM (N8eC4)
don't understand or get the visceral "I HATE MITT" crap that some people
like to spew...seems like a replay of the 2010 "RINO-hunting" mania for
some of those folks.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 13, 2011 02:38 PM (hIWe1)<<<Well, my father and my boyfriend both told me Mitt was icky, so I'm going on a full blown ROMNEY IS TEH DEVIL jag.
All that irony spilling all over the place and not a drop hits you.
Posted by: Kerry at September 13, 2011 02:59 PM (a/VXa)
Posted by: joeindc44
It may not be big, but it is a deal. Everyone who "wanted to keep politics out of gay marriage" and everyone who wanted to "keep government out of a woman's right to choose" now pretend that there is no difference between a vaccine for an STD and polio. And anyone who questions it is told to "shut up, there's an opt out"
I don't need you or anyone else deciding if my kids need such shots. I don't need the State of Delaware deciding that they own all of my organs (proposed law to make organ donation mandatory; they just tried a third attempt) and I must apply to make them mine again. Meanwhile, my daughter's sixth grade social studies teacher, whom I met at the school open house,apparantly can't speak standard English. She can't pronounce the word 'latitude', but she's going to test them on it.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 13, 2011 02:59 PM (6rX0K)
Yeah, and do you know when the New Hampshire primary and Iowa Caucuses were back then? They were in late March of 1980.
Now they're held in mid-January. The calendar has shifted forward, making this date you robotic 'Nistas cite as evidence that Palin can wait it out forever with no consequences moronically inappropriate. (Other things make it stupid too, like the fact that Reagan had already been running hardcore for a year up until his 'formal' announcement, unlike Our Coy Mistress.) You might as well be quoting me dates in the fucking Julian Calendar, for all its relevance to the 21st century presidential cycle.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 13, 2011 03:00 PM (hIWe1)
Back off, pal. Don't assign all the Palinista bullshit to me. What I'm saying is - she didn't sign an executive order like Perry. If she does run, she'll have to defend herself from everyone else on this. I don't think she should have piled on Perry for this but it's a load of shit to say she did the same thing.
Posted by: fiatboomer at September 13, 2011 03:00 PM (4Nrdo)
Maybe we should just stick to boobies.
Posted by: cherry pi,
i'm sick of them, they just hang on my chest like an anchor.
let's move on and speak of males biceps or nice boots?
Posted by: willow at September 13, 2011 03:00 PM (h+qn8)
I'm talking about the posts, not the comments.
As to measured, I brought up Perry's illegal problem when ace called me out on why I support Romney over him. I brought up the fact that job creation in Texas is 1) not something Perry invented but an environment he greatly benefited from 2) many of those jobs are gov't jobs. I brought his cronyism problem which is big, this particular one not so much although it is a lot more than the $5k he claimed. All these things are starting to come out now and as I noticed even giving you some pause.
It's absolute bullshit that this site doesn't support Perry. I don't have a problem with it but that's the truth.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 13, 2011 03:00 PM (TMB3S)
If Palin wants to join the vaccine nutters, she can forget me EVER supporting her. Perry should be
criticized roundly for implementing a mandatory vaccine by executive
order instead of through the legislature, and there is a greater
argument about states' pursuing their own immunization regimes without a
national consensus.But the disinformation about HPV and
Gardisil in particular, and especially about vaccinations in general, is
just stupid and insane. It's like opening up the door to the
Truthers. It is a threat to public health. Vaccinations do NOT cause
autism, retardation, etc. There is not a shred of credible evidence of
it. What there was, was later proven incorrect and even falsified.
Posted by: Will Folks at September 13, 2011 02:46 PM
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And this is how a phony-ass I-can-see-Russia-from-my-house meme starts.
Palin said nothing about being anti-vax; in fact, she accepted federal funds to do vaxxing.
Posted by: arhooley at September 13, 2011 03:00 PM (GXgac)
Ohh, I just knew Rick Perry was a winner! Because, as I've been stating
over-and-over, igniting a culture war in the middle of a generational
economic realignment election is mother-fucking brilliant...
So we should just ignore the looming debt catastrophe because the subject is unpleasant?
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 13, 2011 03:00 PM (o2lIv)
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 13, 2011 03:00 PM (fXoAJ)
Posted by: Honey Badger at September 13, 2011 03:01 PM (GvYeG)
Gee, you think the only reason I dislike Sarah Palin is because other people told me to? As opposed to the countless number of comments I've made explaining the subject in excruciating detail? That's how you people receive your political marching orders, not me.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 13, 2011 03:01 PM (hIWe1)
Ace said: "NumbersUSA gave Perry a D- on immigration. They gave Bachmann a C. They gave Romney a D."
NumbersUSA wants to reduce legal immigration as well, so they mark Romney down for having stated that he doesn't want to reduce legal immigration.
When it comes to enforcing laws against illegal immigration, Romney is clearly better than Perry. It's not even close.
Romney supports the fence. Perry opposes it.
Romney supports E-Verify. Perry opposes it, even for government employees.
And so on.
Posted by: Jon at September 13, 2011 03:01 PM (eaMza)
Posted by: Honey Badger at September 13, 2011 03:01 PM (GvYeG)
Posted by: arhooley at September 13, 2011 03:00 PM (GXgac)
That's not a positive.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 13, 2011 03:01 PM (FkKjr)
Maybe one that touches on Barky and Shrillary's obsession with creating as many Islamic Republics as they can?
Posted by: garrett at September 13, 2011 03:01 PM (PU8wf)
Posted by: arhooley at September 13, 2011 03:02 PM (GXgac)
to have understood that as "all candidates except Sarah Palin,"
according to Sarah Palin's fans, who think their True Conservative
fighter gets to sit on the sidelines lobbing spitballs and if you toss
one back you're guilty of a hate crime."
TRUTH!
Posted by: Links at September 13, 2011 03:02 PM (cEdZt)
Did Palin quit something else on that date? I know Reagan didn't quit as Governor half way thru his first term.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 13, 2011 03:02 PM (kaOJx)
other candidates and trying to big foot them. She is fair game.
Whoa. For once I agree with JackStraw.
BTW, how's that snipe Merck Hunt coming along, Ace? Any luck yet?
Posted by: mrp at September 13, 2011 03:03 PM (HjPtV)
Posted by: Spit Ball at September 13, 2011 03:03 PM (GvYeG)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 13, 2011 03:03 PM (sbV1u)
Posted by: EC at September 13, 2011 03:03 PM (GQ8sn)
She can't pronounce the word 'latitude', but she's going to test them on it.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 13, 2011 02:59 PM
Hey, I'm curious. How does she pronounce it?
Posted by: arhooley at September 13, 2011 03:03 PM (GXgac)
Posted by: kawfy at September 13, 2011 03:04 PM (2trrN)
pun intended
Posted by: Spit Ball at September 13, 2011 03:04 PM (GvYeG)
So, I've been outspokenly anti-Mittsy and Perry has been my choice, but at this point there is more about him we need to learn. Immigration, for example, is a big question.
As for this "issue", I have 2 thoughts. As a father of a 3 YO girl, I prefer as much limit on the state's interaction with her sexuality as possible. And, as I understand the vaccine, it prevents HPV, which can lead to cervical cancer. It's a specific vaccine for a specific precursor to cancer. And, HPV, as I understand it, is only contracted through sexual contact. Given those facts, I would certainly oppose a mandated vaccine in this instance and I think Perry can be effectively called into question. And, he needs to answer for why he thinks the state is a better decision maker than the individual. That's what conservatives should do, if government is stepping in, they better make an airtight case for why individual freedoms should be limited.
Having said that, the anti-vax crowd, including Jenny McCarthy, can certainly be unhinged from reality. McCarthy, when faced with very strong scientific evidence that vaccines do not link to autism, gave an incredibly disingenuous answer. She tried to say she didn't explicitly implicate vaccines, but did say we need to explore the relationship to the fullest. She totally mis-characterized her earlier crusading. If Missy is jumping on that bandwagon, then she's really going to damage her own credibility.
As for Palin and the federal funds...as others have pointed out, there is a big difference in receiving the funding for the vaccines from the feds and mandating the vaccine. Ace, you may have points about Palin, and to a stronger degree Missy, but this isn't the strongest evidence to make your case on, IMO.
Posted by: The Hammer at September 13, 2011 03:04 PM (6IA1d)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 13, 2011 03:05 PM (TMB3S)
Oh, I wouldn't disagree with you on that at all. Neither would Ace, I suspect.
If there's anything I do have a problem with, it's the behavior of some of the people who submit headlines (rdbrewer?) who continually seem to troll specifically for anti-Romney stories. That doesn't help at all.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 13, 2011 03:05 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: arhooley at September 13, 2011 03:05 PM (GXgac)
So, he admits he can be bought.
Now wecan haggle over the price.
Posted by: Bob from Ohio at September 13, 2011 03:05 PM (ROFkf)
Posted by: Vercingetorix at September 13, 2011 02:59 PM (N8eC4)
No, dipshit, Sarah Palin is unelectable because she is unelectable. It doesn't matter how much you or I or Flapjackmaka may like her. The vast majority of the American people don't.
It also doesn't matter if the vast majority of the American people dislike her for reasons that are unfair. They still dislike her and will not vote for her.
Ace isn't blowing a gasket because Sarah Palin is unelectable; he's blowing a gasket because stupid fuckers like you are too obtuse to understand that she is.
Posted by: Lurk Ness Monster at September 13, 2011 03:06 PM (r1ARs)
Her Alaska? Was she reviewing every health pronouncement made? Should she have been?
Isn't the real point here that maybe the government shouldn't be involved in this at all?
Personalities aside, that is.
Posted by: moviegique at September 13, 2011 03:07 PM (kNN2d)
Posted by: Spit Ball at September 13, 2011 03:08 PM (GvYeG)
Can't it be wrong in both cases?
Or is the important thing assigning blame?
Posted by: moviegique at September 13, 2011 03:08 PM (kNN2d)
I don't get it.
Perry's opt out was meant to preserve freedom while making sure those who get their kids the anti cancer vaccine can get it paid via insurance.
Anyway, if this is a serious issue for you, then you need to wake the hell up. Perry's about jobs, fiscal sanity, entitlement reform. He's balanced budgets.
This HPV thing is simply not important. It's understandable to those who disagree, if they are fair.
The immigration issue is a much better place to criticize Perry.
Posted by: Dustin at September 13, 2011 03:09 PM (fF625)
Posted by: Spit Ball at September 13, 2011 03:10 PM (GvYeG)
Posted by: GergS at September 13, 2011 03:10 PM (7ahtU)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 13, 2011 03:01 PM
Oh dear. All 50 states take federal money for vaccines. I guess we'll have to recruit a presidential candidate from abroad, or just keep the one we have now.
Posted by: arhooley at September 13, 2011 03:11 PM (GXgac)
Posted by: Chuckit at September 13, 2011 03:11 PM (rNmq0)
Perry Has DEEP Financial Ties To Maker Of HPV Vaccine-- Washington Post
http://tinyurl.com/6zzkv86
Posted by: ndfan at September 13, 2011 03:12 PM (q1/1q)
>>>All that irony spilling all over the place and not a drop hits you.
Gee,
you think the only reason I dislike Sarah Palin is because other people
told me to? As opposed to the countless number of comments I've made
explaining the subject in excruciating detail? That's how you people
receive your political marching orders, not me.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 13, 2011 03:01 PM (hIWe1)<<<Yeah, actually, I do think that's why. The countless (we agree on one thing!) comments you've made rationalizing your position seem to confirm it, actually. As for marching orders, I actually support Perry unless/until something better comes along, and in fact, the only solid "noes" for me on the current roster of candidates are Huntsman, Gingrich, Romney, and Paul--and if the candidate wants to make Ron Paul the head of the treasury, I'm even on board with that. I just find the vaginaphobia displayed by all the aggressive former "GILF"ers, in re Palin, to be distasteful, dumb, and blatantly obvious.
Posted by: Kerry at September 13, 2011 03:13 PM (a/VXa)
Bad optics there.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 13, 2011 03:13 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: arhooley
"lat-uh-too". Other highlights:
wif" instead of with
'axe' instead of ask
I surmisethat Christ Himself will receive remedial instruction or a pink slip before she does, given current political trends.
Posted by: zombie Mr. Ed at September 13, 2011 03:14 PM (6rX0K)
Posted by: lonestar at September 13, 2011 01:47 PM (mNf6+)
Yessiree, you say something bad about Perry, you better burn at the stake!!!
I shudder tothink what a race between Perry Palin would create. Legions of indignant, affronted, and butthurt people on both sides,going apoplecticat every criticism.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at September 13, 2011 03:15 PM (b68Df)
Posted by: zombie Mr. Ed at September 13, 2011 03:15 PM (6rX0K)
Posted by: Captain Hate at September 13, 2011 03:15 PM (RKzwg)
As we watch Ace sink deeper into this, maybe we'll get some idea of what happened to Charles Johnson.
Ooohhh....that's gotta hurt.
Posted by: Jim Sonweed at September 13, 2011 03:16 PM (giMzW)
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That is the likely reason that she is doing this long tease..... She knows that once she announces that she is not running, she is just another paidmedia pundit..... She knows that her donations and crowds will disappear. Her relevance will diminish.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 13, 2011 03:16 PM (mwfMy)
Posted by: Michelle Bachmann at September 13, 2011 03:16 PM (8DdAv)
Posted by: kawfy at September 13, 2011 03:17 PM (2trrN)
Begone, sock from another thread
Sorry folks. I'm having a reaction from a shot I took.
of whiskey.
Posted by: Blue Hen at September 13, 2011 03:17 PM (6rX0K)
thing!) comments you've made rationalizing your position seem to confirm
it, actually.
Well I can't help you, then. I've justified, over and over again, my position on Sarah Palin by reference to her track record, statements, behavior and subsequent post-resignation performance. If that actually proves to you that, in fact, I'm really just taking marching orders from my penis (or are a "pussywhipped male" or something), then you've departed the land of logic and are telling yourself reassuring lies in order to justify ignoring people who disagree with you.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 13, 2011 03:18 PM (hIWe1)
Again, purely as a purity test, Perry's position is questionable and the primary is a legitimate place to have him answer those types of questions, IMO. You shouldn't have to opt out of freedom...you should opt into government interaction.
Overall, however, I'm very concerned with his immigration stance and hope that he either gives a much better explanation (without the latino pandering) or revises his position with a much stronger tie to states rights, which could then include individual enforcement proceedures ala Arizona.
Posted by: The Hammer at September 13, 2011 03:18 PM (6IA1d)
merck didnt give perry $28,500, employees of merck did . he knew about $5,000 probably because it came from one person. the rest may have came in small donations. companies cannot directly contribute to candidates. and accusing a candidate of cronyism because employees of a certain company donate to them is kinda petty
Posted by: chas at September 13, 2011 03:18 PM (TKF1Y)
I am a little confused Was it this spring(2011) or was it when she was governor that Alaska received the Fed Funding?
Posted by: pamiam at September 13, 2011 03:20 PM (Kaglu)
I fail to see how a state accepting federal funds for a treatment equates to a governor madating everyone be innoculated with that drug unless they opt out.
But since Rick Skerry is going down in flames lets just phony up some charges and take all our candidates down with him..glad Sarah is staying out of these debates until the candidates define themselves a little.
Posted by: concealed kerry or submit at September 13, 2011 03:20 PM (vXqv3)
Posted by: Honey Badger at September 13, 2011 03:21 PM (GvYeG)
Posted by: Dustin at September 13, 2011 03:09 PM (fF625)
That's why it's important not to put all of our attention into the presidential campaign basket. The senate and the house should be getting just as muchfocus. Also too, state governorships and legislatures.
Scott Walker and a few other repub. governors have shown where much of the future power of the people will rest.
I have a feeling that Rick Perry would let the states deal with immigration by upholding fedlaws that are already in place. Isn't one of his attractioons that he's a strong 10ther.
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 13, 2011 03:22 PM (fXoAJ)
Posted by: chas at September 13, 2011 03:24 PM (TKF1Y)
Posted by: Mætenloch at September 13, 2011 03:25 PM (pAlYe)
But I also I guess I'm in the vast minority here. I don't think Perry did anything wrong, with gardasil, or with the trans-whatever highway. He's a governor. He saw a problem, he came up with a solution, he instituted the solution for what he thought would be the benefit of the citizens of the state.
It turns out the citizens disagreed, and guess what? he siad, Oops, my bad, didn't know you guys would have such strong feelings about this, let's back up and try something else. Guess what, leading is hard. You have to have ideas and take chances and you don't know which ones are going to be brilliant and which ones are going to suck.
Look, I don't care if Rick Perry has the perfect conservative, small government solution to every problem ready to go in his pocket. What I care about is that he a. LEADS with a conservative agenda, and b. IS RESPONSIVE to the conservative base and can walk back when he makes a mistake, and is not an arrogant shit-bag like Obama, or Romney, or Newt, who think they know better than everyone else and their policies would work if only we just trust them.
So, for me, gardasil is a win-win for Perry. Sign me up. Where can I give my $2,400. Screw Sarah Palin for hen-pecking a good governor from the sidelines and not throwing down to run. Michelle Bachman jumped the shark in her presidential run and for me Sarah Palin jumped the shark last night, too.
Posted by: elizabethe at September 13, 2011 03:25 PM (hCc/i)
Perhaps you could try reading the linked article?
Posted by: fiatboomer at September 13, 2011 03:26 PM (4Nrdo)
God, Ace, you just keep digging deeper. Former CoS comes back to get him to sign the EO? And it's a $29K donation, not 5.
Yeah, Palin's a quitter and a tease. But seriously, you don't see the difference?
Posted by: Arms Merchant at September 13, 2011 03:27 PM (jx6di)
This means a wife from a cheating spouse, a young girl molested or raped.
You can be a virgin and marry the man of your dreams, but if he's had previous serual experience and has the virus in his system, he could infect you on your wedding night
Got that? One screw outside of marrigae and hubby can bring home death to his wife. And it doesn't "show" itself to the male carriers, as other venereal diseases can.
But hey! Your daughter will marry another virgin like herself, for sure, right?
Posted by: Hard Truth at September 13, 2011 03:27 PM (1kwr2)
Posted by: Dave in Texas at September 13, 2011 03:29 PM (WvXvd)
Posted by: elizabethe at September 13, 2011 03:25
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I don't think you are in the 'vast minority here', Elizabethe......quite the opposite really. And I agree with everything that you've said.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 13, 2011 03:31 PM (mwfMy)
I like them both, but wtf ?
Perry is still going to win it. But damn it, thank god for that cocksuckers rino Newt... He's looking better every debate.
Posted by: NoT so fresh feeling at September 13, 2011 03:31 PM (qxcKC)
Guess it will be lurking henceforth, until some rationality appears.
Enjoy.
Posted by: irongrampa at September 13, 2011 03:32 PM (ud5dN)
Thanks and peace out.
Posted by: LATER DOODS at September 13, 2011 03:35 PM (dg/Yt)
Newt is not a RINO. His ideology is solidly conservative. He's just made some huge mistakes in his desperate quest for the "sweet 75%" (of Americans who agree on a particular set of issues--google American Solutions).
His couch jumping with Nanhag and support for Scuzzyfava were tactical. Then he really got spanked with his "right wing social engineering" comments. I think he's realized that conservatives are truly pissed and are not going to put up with any bi-partisanship nonsense.
At least I hope so.
Posted by: Arms Merchant at September 13, 2011 03:38 PM (jx6di)
Posted by: California Doomin at September 13, 2011 03:39 PM (8DdAv)
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Abso-fucking-lutely right that! There is a distinction as wide as the Grand Canyon for anyone with a mind open enough to see it. I'm abit surprised to see Ace react this way,making petty bullshit attacks on Sarah Palin, dishonestly trying to equate Perry's douchebaggery with Palin accepting federal money as if they're the same.
Reminds me of how liberals try to discredit Ayn Rand screaming "she drew Social Security so she's a phony hypocrite!", as if they had a valid or coherent point.As long asyou're forced to pay into SS or pay taxes to the federal govt., there's nothing wrong or inconsistent with libertarian or conservative philosophy to try and get back as much of your money as you put in..even while simultaneously trying to reduce the size and scope of government. No inconsistency there at all. None..
Perry is being called to account for his douchebag positions on illegalimmigration (Tom Tancredo is a "RACIST!" and the "AZ immigration law isn't something we'd ever want for TX"), his Big-Brotherattempts to force little girls to take vaccinations, and Romney made him lookpetty in their exchange over job records,so the only retort of course... is to change the subject by attacking Palin. It only makes sense!
Posted by: Mook at September 13, 2011 03:39 PM (ue7R1)
I'm saying that's the question we should ask ourselves.
Perry jumped in and said "Hey! Everyone needs to get this ASAP!" Palin said nothing, at least as far as I know, but some bureaucrat said "Everyone should be subsidized to get this."
In both cases, a pharma company stood to benefit from a political decision. That's something we should seek to minimize.
While I've never believed the vaccine->autism link, it's not hard to convince me that politics have entered into the vaccination process. Bad things do happen with vaccinations, but rather than just discuss it and weigh the pros and cons, we have to pretend no bad vaccines have ever existed, ever hurt anyone, and that the "science is settled" on all matters regarding vaccines now and forever.
It seems to me that this is a byproduct of the fact that the government is involved. I'd much rather people got vaccines because they were well-educated to the risks.
Posted by: moviegique at September 13, 2011 03:40 PM (kNN2d)
Yeah, but Perry had the 'Opt-out!' in there, and only mandated it to 'increase access' by forcing insurance to pay for it without actually mandating it.
It's pretty much the same damn thing.
They both kindasuck.
Posted by: Entropy at September 13, 2011 03:40 PM (IsLT6)
Posted by: Schwalbe : The © at September 13, 2011 03:42 PM (UU0OF)
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Palin lost me when she did the TV show. I did enjoy the
entertainment value of it, however, I thought it highlighted some
personality traits that aren't very becoming of a presidential
candidate.
Posted by: LaughingOutLoud! at September 13, 2011 01:38 PM (zNmqL)
Traits like getting blow jobs in the white house, raping women, being an alcoholic, admitting to doing coke... (see the last 3 presidents) THOSE kinda traits?
Posted by: tangonine at September 13, 2011 03:42 PM (x3YFz)
Doesn't retardation occur at conception, not at 10 years old?
Posted by: Schwalbe : The © at September 13, 2011 03:42 PM (UU0OF)
In my experience it occurs at the exact moment someone decides to vote democrat.
Posted by: tangonine at September 13, 2011 03:43 PM (x3YFz)
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What did Sarah Palin "hen-peck" Perry about? To my knowledge, she only said that all candidates should be vetted before they go intogeneral election. Because whatever isn't uncovered now, is sure to be uncovered by Team Obama.
Btw, any other potential Repubcandidate that has been more vetted than Palin?
Posted by: Mook at September 13, 2011 03:45 PM (ue7R1)
Guess the bias is showing more than your butt crack.
Posted by: astonerii at September 13, 2011 03:46 PM (rSa7F)
Btw, any other potential Repubcandidate that has been more vetted than Palin?
Posted by: Mook at September 13, 2011 03:45 PM (ue7R1)
Nope. And if she runs, she has my vote.
Posted by: tangonine at September 13, 2011 03:46 PM (x3YFz)
If female candidates are going to toss hand grenades at the other candidates....then they should be prepared to take the same tossed in their direction, and not try to hide behind the 'Girl Card' and act like "you can't attack me back or you're awoman-hating misogynist".
I see what Ace is doing here in this thread as a testament to his equal treatment of women......which is what 'womens equality' is all about. As a woman, I appreciate it greatly.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 13, 2011 03:47 PM (mwfMy)
Well...you know...she's not a candidate per se...
Frankly, I don't give a shit about the Alaska Gardasil issue and whether or not Palin got money from it. Her appearance on Fox last night wiped out the last remaining political respect I had for her. Sniping an actual candidate from the sidelines without allowing him the opportunity to defend himself.
I'm done with Palin.
And Bachmann's "Retarded" comment was...retarded.
Newt won the debate.
Posted by: Sgt. York at September 13, 2011 03:48 PM (B6nJc)
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Don't leave us hanging! What might those unseemly personality "traits" be? Please be specific, because I'm kinda dense and need things spelled our real simple-like
Posted by: Mook at September 13, 2011 03:48 PM (ue7R1)
Posted by: Ron at September 13, 2011 03:49 PM (g+yPx)
reassuring lies in order to justify ignoring people who disagree with
you.<<Jeff B, pussywhipped Palinhater
Heh. Projection. Not just for breakfast anymore, is it?
Posted by: Kerry at September 13, 2011 03:53 PM (a/VXa)
Governor Palin showed her true colors on Greta last night and it will
hurt her.Everyone on this blog knows that buzzards, jackals and
hyenasare just scavangers. There's a reason why they'reat the bottom
of the food chain.
Posted by: Ron at September 13, 2011 03:49 PM (g+yPx)
just vote for obama and get it over with.
Posted by: tangonine at September 13, 2011 03:53 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: tangonine at September 13, 2011 03:54 PM (x3YFz)
______
When has Palin ever been vetted by conservatives in a national primary?
I keep hearing this "she's been vetted" meme coming from her followers.... But Palin has only been vetted by the liberal media, for scandals that they could use against her from their liberal point of view.
That is not the same as being vetted by conservatives for her real stance on the 'conservative principles' that she is holding up for the other candidates to be judged by.
For example.....Palin's pro-union stance is not a very 'true conservative' position.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 13, 2011 03:58 PM (mwfMy)
Posted by: Longball at September 13, 2011 03:58 PM (Qo7sI)
Posted by: DHSmonkey at September 13, 2011 04:00 PM (1kvqG)
Posted by: Rich at September 13, 2011 04:01 PM (ldOlo)
Perry is slow witted and will therefore remain on the defensive.
Palin mandated nothing. The agonized screeching here confirms the effect of the damage done.
And there is so much more to come, because absurd overcompensations like we see here make continued attacks along these lines inevitable.
Rick Perry says: Thanks, guys!
Oh, and about taking federal aid: Palin vetoed Porkulus for AK but was overridden by corrupt Repubs. Perry lapped up the Obama juice to balance the TX books.
It is not Palin's job to wipe the Obama splooge off perry's chin.
Posted by: njinfl at September 13, 2011 04:01 PM (M2X9r)
http://tiny.cc/enlru
What happened to you, man?
Posted by: Dave Gibbons at September 13, 2011 04:01 PM (ObCYE)
You missed her Minnesota speech, didn’t you?
Posted by: jwest at September 13, 2011 04:01 PM (qeYI9)
__________
You mean where she called union thugs her "brothers and sisters"?
She did a FB post a week or so, and reached out to her "union brothers and sisters".....again.
She criticizes the union bosses, but she does not condemn the union members for engaging in thuggery, intimidation and trashing public state houses, does she?
She doesn't mention how unions have been killing jobs....or how inflated union salaries/benefits add layers to the cost that consumers must pay for goods and services, does she?
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 13, 2011 04:08 PM (mwfMy)
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Illogical point, because the liberal media is driven by hatred and leftwing ideology, looking for something, ANYTHING to hurt her, even if they have to lie and stealto do it.That's as thorough and tough as it gets. Repubs wouldn't take it near that far
Sothe media and political operativesgo to Alaska to hound her, scour her record asGovernor and privatecitizen,create lawsuits while she wasGovernor in unjustified 'fishing expeditions', laterscourover tensof thousands of her emails including hacking into her personal account, moving in next door to watch her, looking for anything.. and after all that all they came with was... Nothing.
Noneof the current crop of Repubs coming out that squeaky clean after 'journolists' dig in to their opposition research.. not even close.
Posted by: Mook at September 13, 2011 04:08 PM (ue7R1)
606: When has Palin ever been vetted by conservatives in a national primary?
I keep hearing this "she's been vetted" meme coming from her
followers.... But Palin has only been vetted by the liberal media, for
scandals that they could use against her from their liberal point of
view.
That is not the same as being vetted by conservatives for her real
stance on the 'conservative principles' that she is holding up for the
other candidates to be judged by.
For example.....Palin's pro-union stance is not a very 'true conservative' position.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 13, 2011 03:58 PM (mwfMy)<<<You're new around here, aren't you? You might want to do some browsing in the archives. We'll wait while you catch up.
Posted by: Kerry at September 13, 2011 04:09 PM (a/VXa)
Posted by: lions at September 13, 2011 04:11 PM (ab4z8)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 13, 2011 04:13 PM (KxADM)
Posted by: H Badger at September 13, 2011 04:14 PM (n/0Nw)
@617 You get one here for free posting more than 100 diatribes against Palin.
I'm not seeing my damn shirt yet. Fucking post office.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 13, 2011 04:15 PM (KxADM)
Posted by: H Badger at September 13, 2011 04:16 PM (n/0Nw)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 13, 2011 04:18 PM (KxADM)
Posted by: Mook at September 13, 2011 04:20 PM (ue7R1)
How about refuting what Michelle Malkin has to say about this article you so gleefully posted to try to smear Sarah Palin in your rush to stick your head back up Perry's buttocks?
Refute this article by Michelle Malkin... http://tinyurl.com/6kvcoxe
P.S. going to ban me for posting the truth on the ACE of SPADES RICK PERRY campaign site?
Posted by: PhilipJames at September 13, 2011 04:20 PM (G9AXq)
I understand that Perry got beat up last night regarding the vaccine Mandate. But this is comparing apples and cinder blocks. It is weaksauce and sounds petty.
This amounts to Alaska accepting federal funds like the other 56 states do. Palin said no mandate. That is the issue. Perry admitted it apologized. That should end it.
Posted by: Neo at September 13, 2011 04:22 PM (MP/bH)
Alaska under Palin wasn't even on Merck's list of influence. So it's nowhere near the same. It also didn't help Perry that he understated how much Merck gave him.
And I'm not looking for a Palin campaign and am probably content to vote for Perry in the General if nothing worse comes out on him. But Gardasil does stink of Crony Capitalism, and the TexDream Act does 'not' play well.
Posted by: Shawn at September 13, 2011 04:23 PM (/lltO)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 13, 2011 04:13 PM (KxADM)
Didn't ace say ixnay on the untcay. Or is Andi of Sullivan Headquarters allowing it when used against Palin?
Posted by: Captain Hate at September 13, 2011 04:24 PM (RKzwg)
To each their own.
Posted by: H Badger at September 13, 2011 04:27 PM (n/0Nw)
http://tiny.cc/enlru
What happened to you, man?
Yeah, Michelle pretty muchdismantled this feeble non-story. Her update title applies here.
Posted by: Longball at September 13, 2011 04:28 PM (Qo7sI)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 13, 2011 04:32 PM (KxADM)
Funny how the lions' share of the Palin dipshits always show up when the
thread's mostly done. Cowards sniping from the sidelines, just like
their heroine.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 13, 2011 04:18 PM (KxADM)
Funny how I never meet anyone in real life who has the balls to say that to me.
Posted by: tangonine at September 13, 2011 04:36 PM (x3YFz)
Bryan Preston, author of the article at PJM has this interesting info in his bio....
"was producer of the Laura Ingraham Show and, most recently before joining PKM, was Communications Director of the Republican Party of Texas"
Yikes... now he wouldn't have any bias towards Rick Perry would he? And Ingraham, one of the "blondes" who tried to smear Sarah Palin recently as well?
Posted by: PhilipJames at September 13, 2011 04:37 PM (G9AXq)
629
Since Malkin's as big a fucking lunatic as Bachmann and we already knew she hates Perry, her arguments today ring pretty hollow.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 13, 2011 04:32 PM (KxADM)
Yeah, never let facts get in the way of a good narrative.
Posted by: KinleyArdal at September 13, 2011 04:39 PM (ZKk3K)
Posted by: H Badger at September 13, 2011 04:41 PM (n/0Nw)
That's okay; I doubt very many people talk to you in real life.
Kind of the way I wasn't talking to you just then. But if you want to step up and own being a dipshit, you're welcome to it.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 13, 2011 04:43 PM (KxADM)
Funny how I never meet anyone in real life who has the balls to say that to me.
That's okay; I doubt very many people talk to you in real life.
Kind of the way I wasn't talking to you just then. But if you want to step up and own being a dipshit, you're welcome to it.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 13, 2011 04:43 PM (KxADM)
You're kind of a pussy, aren't you.
Posted by: tangonine at September 13, 2011 04:44 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: tangonine at September 13, 2011 04:45 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: tangonine at September 13, 2011 04:44 PM (x3YFz)
And you're kind of dim, but I already knew that.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 13, 2011 04:45 PM (KxADM)
....since we're sying shit that would get us punched in the face in real life, figured I'd jump in.
Oh, yeah. You're a Big Man.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 13, 2011 04:46 PM (KxADM)
Posted by: H Badger at September 13, 2011 04:47 PM (n/0Nw)
636
....since we're sying shit that would get us punched in the face in real life, figured I'd jump in.
Oh, yeah. You're a Big Man.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 13, 2011 04:46 PM (KxADM)
Not really. Average build, gettin older every day.
That has nothing with you being an asshole.
Posted by: tangonine at September 13, 2011 04:48 PM (x3YFz)
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Posted by: tasker at September 13, 2011 04:57 PM (brQV4)
Posted by: Mr. Worf's left nut at September 13, 2011 04:59 PM (S9nYn)
Those of you linking Malkin's article are missing the point Ace was making. Perry's Gardasil issue is no more of a scandal than Palin's...and yet Palin sits in the studio at Fox and snipes at Perry from a safe sideline location.
Pathetic.
Posted by: Sgt. York at September 13, 2011 05:05 PM (B6nJc)
Posted by: Sgt. York at September 13, 2011 05:06 PM (B6nJc)
Posted by: moviegique at September 13, 2011 05:11 PM (kNN2d)
"Moreover, Palin is on record in 2008 e-mails expressing her general opposition to certain vaccine mandates.
It’s a pathetic and ill-informed act of desperation to try and turn
the crony capitalism charge on Palin, which is a telling measure of how
effective her voice is on this topic — and why so many would rather
silence her."MichellM.
Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at September 13, 2011 05:13 PM (vXqv3)
Posted by: Anony at September 13, 2011 05:14 PM (Yigvc)
ARE HER WORDS GENUINE OR FALSE? ANSWER ME.
Ace, calm down. I'm not a Palin fan, which would be obvious if you'd been paying attention to what I've written in the past.
I don't particularly care if you violate the so-called "11th commandment," I don't even care if her words are genuine or false in this context. I just can't figure out why someone would appeal to that even as they're doing exactly the same thing they accuse someone else of doing.
I'm just suggesting that might be somewhat inconsistent. And, honestly, I don't even know what comment here means. What did Sarah Palin instruct you in or to do?
I'm fine with finding fault with candidates as we weed through which one we'll support. I'm fine with pointing out problems with what they say and their record.
Just... doing so in the context of them violating this Reagan dictum seems contradictory is all.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 13, 2011 05:24 PM (r4wIV)
I think this is what Reagan meant by his 11th commandment comment. The point is that whoever is put up there by the GOP, he's better than Obama. And the more we snipe at and hurt our candidates, the harder its going to be for them to win. Its fine to point out weaknesses and debate their strengths and past, their faults and mistakes. It just seems to me we should be doing so like fans of a single team talking about players on that team rather than blood enemies discussing people we hate with every fiber of our being.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 13, 2011 05:27 PM (r4wIV)
This blog is getting as dishonest and untrustworthy as the NY Slimes or Washinton Post.
Pathetic and getting worse.
Posted by: Molon Labe at September 13, 2011 05:40 PM (S7K8x)
Posted by: liquidflorian at September 13, 2011 05:45 PM (C1M8/)
thread's mostly done. Cowards sniping from the sidelines, just like
their heroine.
Says the guy whose first post was #617.
Posted by: Cintra Concesiones de Infraestructuras de Transport at September 13, 2011 05:51 PM (Ou4YC)
Posted by: Ken at September 13, 2011 06:19 PM (3ar4L)
Posted by: steevy at September 13, 2011 06:23 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: Molon Labe at September 13, 2011 06:28 PM (S7K8x)
Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at September 13, 2011 06:29 PM (+iwM3)
Posted by: Ken at September 13, 2011 06:29 PM (3ar4L)
Posted by: Gadfly at September 13, 2011 06:39 PM (0U+wb)
Another viscious AND careless Ace-attack on another outstanding conservative woman warrior. I am afraid that my Ewok-hero might have panty problems.
It's really too bad that Palin tossed her broader political credibility by resigning her governorship. She would make by far the best Republican presidential candidate. Her and Bolton, in either order. Now THERE would be a ticket.
Perry's not bad though, despite a few glaring liabilities, like catering to illegal Mexicans, and inviting the Aga Khan into the public schools. (Hey, why not just invite the Pope to establish a public school curriculum on Catholicism? Oh, that's right: violation of church and state is reserved only for MUSLIMS.)
But we don't need a perfect president. We just need a decent president, and control of both houses of Congress, which looks to be coming. Unfortunately, there will be no stopping the complete economic collapse that is just around the corner.
Posted by: Alec Rawls at September 13, 2011 06:49 PM (kTTUz)
Yes, Governor Good Hair said all y'all get your little girls poked because "I" think it's a good idea AND he doubled down and MANDATED ITS USE BY EXECUTIVER ORDER. btw: Ace, he also said "I'll stick with Sarah" Let's be sure we use ALL the quotes lest some poor misguided RINO think we're picking sides or playing favorites.
You can take that implemented LIE and shove it. I personally stared down TWO pediatricians in their offices. (Neither is our current kid doc and golly gee whiz this one agrees with the parents) It was implemented and yes it was retracted. Is it a wart? yup. Does the Palin Governorship have warts? you betcha.
For all of Governor Palin's faults, which the lame stream media will only be too happy to enumerate, she remains THE ONLY CONSERVATIVE WITH THE GUTS TO WIN THE WHITE HOUSE.
Can you hear me now?
I'll stick with Sarah!
Posted by: Blacksmith8✡ at September 13, 2011 06:57 PM (Q1qy3)
I remember when a Palin/Perry thread was good for 1200 at least. What happened morons?
btw:
493
See how much fun we'll have when she does announce?
Posted by: sleepy-beans at September 13, 2011 02:52 PM (5617J)
sleepy-beans just did and end run for the THREAD WINNER!
Posted by: Blacksmith8✡ at September 13, 2011 07:11 PM (Q1qy3)
Posted by: D. Hopper Badger at September 13, 2011 07:15 PM (kBWjM)
there, all sorted
Posted by: Tom_Ohio at September 13, 2011 08:52 PM (7U2lm)
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Palin simply allowing the drug to be available is a far cry from a direct campaign contrabution followed by a mandate to inject their drug into every 12 year old girl.
In fact, Palin was just doing her job as Governor - and Ace tries to spin it into something that 'refudiates' Sarah's Crony Capitalism claim? Uh - no. It doesn't even come close.
Ace is about to go Charles Johnson if his man Perry doesn't win the nomination. LMAO!
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force insurance plans to cover it. And before anyone gets his panties
in a wad, every state in the union has insurance mandates.
Andy"
And that's one reason why insurance costs so much.
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