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Global Warming Cultists: Observational Evidence Is For Homos
Great catch by ArthurK. in the Headlines.
Empirical evidence? Observation? Measurements? Refining models to comport with observed fact rather than observed fact to model? That's what we call "Old Science," grandpa. You just don't get my generation, old man.In short, the day lined up Phil Jones, oceanographer Andrew Watson, and physicist Mike Lockwood, the latter to argue that the sun couldn't possibly have caused recent warming. He was followed by the most impressive presentation from Henrik Svensmark, whose presentation stood out head and shoulders above anyone else. Why? For two reasons. The correlations he shows are remarkable, and don't need curve fitting, or funky statistical tricks. And he has advanced a mechanism, using empirical science, to explain them. At the other end of the scale, by way of contrast, the Met's principle research scientist John Mitchell told us: "People underestimate the power of models. Observational evidence is not very useful," adding, "Our approach is not entirely empirical." Yes, you could say that.In related news, you will be absorbed into The Body.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Oldcat at May 13, 2011 04:55 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: rdbrewer at May 13, 2011 04:57 PM (PCE0w)
Posted by: Algore at May 13, 2011 04:57 PM (ndlFj)
Posted by: rdbrewer at May 13, 2011 04:58 PM (PCE0w)
Posted by: Max Entropy at May 13, 2011 04:58 PM (lH6z9)
Posted by: Truman North at May 13, 2011 04:58 PM (+gfwN)
Posted by: Dr Spank at May 13, 2011 05:02 PM (1fB+3)
Posted by: Randy at May 13, 2011 05:02 PM (vI8R6)
Posted by: John Mitchell at May 13, 2011 05:03 PM (lH6z9)
Posted by: Adriane at May 13, 2011 05:03 PM (L9W0l)
I wouldn't say that.
Posted by: Phil Jones at May 13, 2011 05:04 PM (lH6z9)
Old and Busted: Observation, measurement, and empirical evidence:
The New Hotness: Models! (i.e. making shit up).
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at May 13, 2011 05:06 PM (c0A3e)
My brain hurts.
Posted by: Waterhouse at May 13, 2011 05:07 PM (fsGgs)
Posted by: curious(ly stupid) at May 13, 2011 05:07 PM (c45xH)
Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at May 13, 2011 05:08 PM (y/+eD)
Posted by: a new tactic for Cubs fans at May 13, 2011 05:08 PM (fsGgs)
Icould make her change her views on deism
Posted by: beedubya at May 13, 2011 05:09 PM (AnTyA)
And once you're assimilated, you're so damn happy...
Posted by: Stateless Canadian Infidel at May 13, 2011 05:09 PM (GKQDR)
I'm thinking the Christians who go after global warming preachers ought to temper their ardor for mocking those who believe in something that has no empirical proof...
Posted by: railwriter at May 13, 2011 05:09 PM (bAh+U)
Oh...you. Oh...you. Oh...you.
Posted by: beedubya at May 13, 2011 05:10 PM (AnTyA)
Posted by: Creepy AGW guys at May 13, 2011 05:11 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Krazy Kat at May 13, 2011 05:11 PM (oNphh)
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 13, 2011 05:12 PM (NtXW4)
Hard to believe someone would take that position, much less a scientist.
I'm a scientist. I have lots of scientist friends. You are a poor scientist, Mr. Mitchell.
Posted by: pep at May 13, 2011 05:13 PM (gmlb7)
So what does an atheist call out during sex??
Oh...you. Oh...you. Oh...you.
Posted by: beedubya at May 13, 2011 05:10 PM (AnTyA)
Einstein? Cosmic egg of the big bang?
Posted by: buzzion at May 13, 2011 05:13 PM (oVQFe)
Posted by: rdbrewer at May 13, 2011 05:13 PM (PCE0w)
Posted by: rdbrewer at May 13, 2011 05:13 PM (PCE0w)
You've looke at her face long enough to notice? How are you not a stone statue?
Posted by: buzzion at May 13, 2011 05:16 PM (oVQFe)
20
So what does an atheist call out during sex??
Oh...you. Oh...you. Oh...you.
Posted by: beedubya at May 13, 2011 05:10 PM (AnTyA)
Einstein? Cosmic egg of the big bang?
Higgs-Boson?
Posted by: Chris Crocker at May 13, 2011 05:16 PM (c0A3e)
There was a knock at the door.
My Canadian co-worker, a very nice girl, 24, fresh out of university with an English degree, came in and said she could hear me in the next room and should I be telling the students such things like 'Many people don't believe in global warming.' I told her I was making a point, she said it seemed like a lecture. I stopped, quite upset, actually thought for a moment, decided it wasn't worth it and said fine, whatever.
I ended the topic quickly by asking the students what should happen to people who don't believe in global warming. 'Harley' blurts out 'Kill themm!' in a joking tone.
The incident still pisses me off. I still keep in contact. But still. Powerful religion...
Posted by: Stateless Canadian Infidel at May 13, 2011 05:17 PM (GKQDR)
Warmists are a little off their game, we shot one of their biggest supporters in the eye recently.
Heh.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 13, 2011 05:19 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: Tough US Immigration Policies at May 13, 2011 05:19 PM (x/4B/)
Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at May 13, 2011 05:20 PM (c45xH)
Posted by: space hippie (I guess you can smell in space after all) at May 13, 2011 05:20 PM (Y1DZt)
Posted by: Four legs good, two legs BETTER at May 13, 2011 05:20 PM (lT0LC)
But Warmism is so much more than science. It's socialism for Green dummies.
Posted by: Beagle at May 13, 2011 05:20 PM (sOtz/)
Posted by: space hippie (I guess you can smell in space after all) at May 13, 2011 05:21 PM (Y1DZt)
Posted by: Tough US Immigration Policies at May 13, 2011 05:22 PM (x/4B/)
*They refuse or get antsy to even acknowledge the suns possible role, makes me skeptical.
*That when you show them that huge statist authoritarian multi-billion dollar boondoggles wont budge things even .01% using their own models and they don't care, that makes me skeptical.
*That they personally fly/travel/large homes/central air in such a way to say they don't care one bit about their own carbon output, makes me skeptical.
*they get antsy if you point out that
- CO2 is .04-% of atmosphere
-Argon is .9+% "
-Oxygen 20.7% "
*That CO2 levels waxed and waned much much higher lower long before humans were around they get antsy.
*They have pets but complain about your midsized car, which makes a fraction of the carbon?
Even after all that being repeated over and over I am still open to Global Warming being a threat, but I do wonder if they still beleive?
Posted by: Shiggz at May 13, 2011 05:22 PM (mLAWK)
Posted by: Tough US Immigration Policies at May 13, 2011 05:23 PM (x/4B/)
Stop pestering me with silly observations those damn fuel prices and food costs.
P.S. I won.
Posted by: President Barry McFucknut at May 13, 2011 05:23 PM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: nickless at May 13, 2011 05:24 PM (MMC8r)
Joe Bastardi at Accuweather had a great video on the subject a while back. I love that guy. He's where I go for an actual forecast during hurricane season.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 13, 2011 05:24 PM (UOM48)
That's got to count for something, right?
Posted by: Damiano at May 13, 2011 05:25 PM (3nrx7)
Posted by: Cherry π at May 13, 2011 05:25 PM (+sBB4)
Posted by: laceyunderalls RINO Trash Committee Chair, Cincinnati Chapter at May 13, 2011 05:25 PM (pLTLS)
warming preachers ought to temper their ardor for mocking those who
believe in something that has no empirical proof...
Posted by: railwriter at May 13, 2011 05:09 PM (bAh+U)
--True, but I haven't met a Christian yet who wants to get government to force me to tithe to his church. His beliefs are harmless in this country.
Posted by: President Barry McFucknut at May 13, 2011 05:26 PM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: space hippie (I guess you can smell in space after all) at May 13, 2011 05:26 PM (Y1DZt)
Posted by: fb at May 13, 2011 05:26 PM (JVEmw)
Posted by: Cherry π at May 13, 2011 05:27 PM (+sBB4)
Posted by: logprof at May 13, 2011 05:28 PM (BP6Z1)
Oh...you AmishDude. Oh...you AmishDude. Oh...you AmishDude.
FIFY
Posted by: AmishDude at May 13, 2011 05:28 PM (73tyQ)
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at May 13, 2011 05:28 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: Y-not at May 13, 2011 05:29 PM (pW2o8)
Posted by: lacey in the shower at May 13, 2011 05:29 PM (Y1DZt)
Posted by: Lincolntf at May 13, 2011 05:29 PM (xMT+4)
Posted by: Typical Libtard at May 13, 2011 05:29 PM (G/MYk)
Posted by: pep at May 13, 2011 05:30 PM (gmlb7)
Posted by: William Jefferson Clit on at May 13, 2011 05:31 PM (2cfUo)
Posted by: Cherry π at May 13, 2011 05:31 PM (+sBB4)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 13, 2011 05:24 PM (UOM4
Have you been to his new site? He's no longer with Accuweather, he helped to create a new site called WeatherBell Analytics (can't linky, IE7 issues).
It has pretty cool radar but it's more of a subscription-based service.
Posted by: ErikW at May 13, 2011 05:32 PM (P60UN)
Shame they didn't drop his body into the deepest parts of the ocean where, due to proximity to the earths molten crust and global warming, the water temperature is one degree (F) above freezing.
That's right, it's 33 degrees Fahrenheit.
The planet has a fever!!!111!!!
On a more serious note, saw an article recently where CO2 emissions are down in the USA. Utilities are burning less coal and more natural gas, because of increased availability. My state, PA, just hit a mother lode of a natural gas field.
Posted by: Downsized Upscale at May 13, 2011 05:32 PM (IhHdM)
Posted by: AmishDude at May 13, 2011 05:32 PM (73tyQ)
CO2 is about 390ppm of the atmosphere, increasing2ppm every year.
What would happen if we started seeing the opposite? How long before panic sets inthat all the photosynthetic plants are going to startdying?
Historically CO2 has been 10-15x higher with no runaway global warming.Plants thrived. Animals thrived.
But climate scientists now have a foul-mouthed rap video, so I guess we lose.
Posted by: Beagle at May 13, 2011 05:34 PM (sOtz/)
Posted by: Warmist Scientist at May 13, 2011 05:35 PM (GTbGH)
Oh...you AmishDude. Oh...you AmishDude. Oh...you AmishDude.
FIFY
Posted by: AmishDude at May 13, 2011 05:28 PM (73tyQ)
--We know that's what you say, but what would she say?
Posted by: logprof at May 13, 2011 05:36 PM (BP6Z1)
Cratchit: Please sir. May I put another piece of fuel on the fire?
Lockwood: It would do nothing to warm the room you useless eater! Gaia Ackbar!
Posted by: Beto at May 13, 2011 05:36 PM (H+LJc)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at May 13, 2011 05:36 PM (QMtmy)
Posted by: AmishDude at May 13, 2011 05:32 PM (73tyQ)
And let the MBAs eat them. Keeps them all busy.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 13, 2011 05:36 PM (G/MYk)
Crazy dangerous science is like a rich women in an expensive car certain, arrogant, and undeterred.
Somebody throw these assholes down a well before they kill us all.
Posted by: Shiggz at May 13, 2011 05:37 PM (mLAWK)
Oh science, oh science, ooooohhhh science!
/During a "miss" - Science Damn it!
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at May 13, 2011 05:37 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at May 13, 2011 05:38 PM (QMtmy)
Posted by: The Aztecs at May 13, 2011 05:38 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: AmishDude at May 13, 2011 05:32 PM (73tyQ)
Ironically enough, math will kill the humanities when Western Civ officially goes bankrupt.
Posted by: Stateless Canadian Infidel at May 13, 2011 05:38 PM (GKQDR)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at May 13, 2011 05:36 PM (QMtmy)
Actually ... to the Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming nuts, it is. Water vapor ... most plentiful "global warming gas" around and, as clouds, the most impactful.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 13, 2011 05:38 PM (G/MYk)
Posted by: docweasel at May 13, 2011 05:38 PM (G92eR)
Posted by: Downsized Upscale at May 13, 2011 05:32 PM (IhHdM)
Which means the warmenists will switch their focus from CO2 to methane. Science damn it!
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at May 13, 2011 05:40 PM (c0A3e)
Now let's not talk about retarded scientists who would conclude that it'll be increasing at 2ppm every year for all eternity, let's assume that happens.
In 200 years, the CO2 would double.
That's (oh, let's round off) 800ppm.
Here's what that means: If you have a greenhouse with 1,000,000 panels, the "greenhouse effect" that the CO2 would produce is equivalent of that greenhouse with 999,200 of the panels smashed out.
I don't care what kind of panels you have, that ain't producing a greenhouse effect.
There is far far far more Argon in the atmosphere and people don't even know what Argon is.
Posted by: AmishDude at May 13, 2011 05:40 PM (73tyQ)
Speaking of weather and sex, just build an Orgone Accumulator and get both.
Posted by: Dr. Varno at May 13, 2011 05:41 PM (QMtmy)
Posted by: Lincolntf at May 13, 2011 05:41 PM (xMT+4)
Posted by: logprof at May 13, 2011 05:36 PM (BP6Z1)
Nothing. Passed out. Next to her twin sister.
Posted by: AmishDude at May 13, 2011 05:41 PM (73tyQ)
Is it something noble?
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at May 13, 2011 05:41 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: AmishDude at May 13, 2011 05:40 PM (73tyQ)
The Argons knocked me off in at least two different episodes.
Posted by: The Expendable Guy In The Red Shirt at May 13, 2011 05:42 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Cherry π at May 13, 2011 05:42 PM (+sBB4)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at May 13, 2011 05:42 PM (QMtmy)
Michael Mann, douchebag weather fraud extraordinaire, graduated with a degree in applied mathematics.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 13, 2011 05:42 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: AmishDude at May 13, 2011 05:40 PM (73tyQ)
That was the bitch with the snakes on her head, right?
Posted by: A Proud Fifty Two Percenter at May 13, 2011 05:43 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at May 13, 2011 05:43 PM (QMtmy)
Posted by: Dirty-talking athiest at May 13, 2011 05:43 PM (sOtz/)
Well,
Gore @ Co. have very deep pockets now so hows about a class action RICO lawsuit alleging fraud?
Posted by: Beto at May 13, 2011 05:44 PM (H+LJc)
Posted by: Cherry π at May 13, 2011 05:44 PM (+sBB4)
Posted by: JackStraw at May 13, 2011 05:42 PM (TMB3S)
I thought he dropped out of physics.Let me tell you: "applied" is an adjective meaning "easier"."Experimental" serves the same function in physics.
Posted by: AmishDude at May 13, 2011 05:44 PM (73tyQ)
Posted by: FlaviusJulius at May 13, 2011 05:44 PM (qIHlG)
Not remotely. It's not in any of our models.Wingnut.
Posted by: your typical climate scientist at May 13, 2011 05:45 PM (++CMo)
Posted by: Andy at May 13, 2011 05:45 PM (5Rurq)
Posted by: George Donner at May 13, 2011 05:45 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: AmishDude at May 13, 2011 05:45 PM (73tyQ)
Posted by: Catherine of ArAgon at May 13, 2011 05:45 PM (UqKQV)
I hurt like hell, both mentally and physically, - from her callousness and indifference, - until I realized she was a storefront mannequin.
Posted by: Fritz at May 13, 2011 05:47 PM (AN8d5)
"...The name "argon" is derived from the Greek word لٌمïي meaning "lazy" or "the inactive one"..."
Posted by: Dr. Varno at May 13, 2011 05:47 PM (QMtmy)
Nope. Undergrad in math from Berkley, advanced degrees in physics and geology including PhD from Yale.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 13, 2011 05:47 PM (TMB3S)
61 Downsized Upscale
My state, PA, just hit a mother lode of a natural gas field.
And the anti-drilling folks are already gearing up.
I wish we had gas on our property, but this area was checked out many years ago and they didn't find enough around here to be worth the effort. There's an old abandoned gas tower on the other side of the valley, and it just sits there smirking at us...
Posted by: Golem14 at May 13, 2011 05:48 PM (2X8VA)
Posted by: Cherry π at May 13, 2011 05:50 PM (+sBB4)
Posted by: Cherry π at May 13, 2011 05:50 PM (+sBB4)
A couple takeaways:
- The two sides in the meeting had a great deal of trouble even agreeing on the right science to do, let alone the possible interpretations of the science:
On the science, there was little disagreement over the basics, such as the physical properties of CO2, but the degree to which it drives the larger climate was greatly disputed, because the larger system remains a mystery
Even the basics of how different clouds affect temperature is guesswork
The telltale signature of greenhouse gas warming should be warming at the surface and in the troposphere, but not the upper stratosphere. It's even been suggested that carbon taxes should reflect the tropospheric temperature anomaly, rather than surface production. But while the models predict such telltale warming, the observational evidence shows it isn't there. More recently it has been cooling.
- John Mitchell, the conferee who uttered the pull quote about the uselessness of empirical data,sounds likeone arrogant sumbitch. He's also the one who, according to the article,
was review editor of Chapter 5 of the IPCC's most recent report (AR4) but hasn't been able to meet FOIA requests, despite the IPCC's pledge to keep all written expert comments on record for five years. "For my own part, I have not kept any working papers. There is no requirement to do so, given the extensive documentation already available from IPCC".
Sniff. So there, peasant. He also used chaos theory to support his belief in the power of models. But that's bassackwards: the whole field of chaos arose from an otherwise goodmeteorological computer model that spat out nonsense because the data fed into it hadn't been precise enough. Any computer model is only as good as the inputs built into it. How does Mitchell know he has the right ones, that they're weighted correctly, and that they're of the appropriate precision? (oh yeah ... that all must be in the work papers he doesn't have.) I hope someone from the skeptic side called him on this.
- The work now being done on how cosmic-ray muons seed cloud development is fascinating. It may turn out to show that an increase in the sun's brightness actually lowers the average temperature of the earth since more solar radiation -> more cosmic rays from the sun -> more ionization in the earth's upper atmosphere -> more cloud 'nucleation' (seeding) -> more clouds -> lower temps. Stay tuned on this one. Better yet: build your own cosmic ray muon detector and join the fun!
Posted by: crisis du jour at May 13, 2011 05:52 PM (J1eJz)
95 George Donner
If we would have taken the Argon Trail I wouldn't have had to eat my nephew.
Weren't you the one who said, "Don't pack so much food, we won't have room for the banjos"?
Posted by: Jacob Donner at May 13, 2011 05:53 PM (2X8VA)
Posted by: Jupiter at May 13, 2011 05:53 PM (CyPWX)
Posted by: AmishDude at May 13, 2011 05:40 PM (73tyQ)
That's the guy that Viggo Mortenson played in the Lord of the Rings right? Or is it the boat Jason and the Argonauts used?
Posted by: buzzion at May 13, 2011 05:53 PM (oVQFe)
Science!
Posted by: AndrewsDad at May 13, 2011 05:54 PM (C2//T)
Thanks. I still laugh at "you should have chopped more trees instead of hugging them."
Posted by: Retread at May 13, 2011 05:56 PM (okCHU)
Work? Models shouldn't have to work. We have other needs.
Posted by: Bar Refaeli at May 13, 2011 05:57 PM (saRwI)
"People underestimate the power of models. Puny humans, BOW BEFORE THE MODELS!"
Posted by: The Met's Principle Research Scientist John Mitchell at May 13, 2011 05:58 PM (/FqjZ)
Yes, it was a long article, but very informative.
I just wonder, was it filmed?
If not, then it should be done over. Except this time Broadcast on live TV.
Maybe call it Live Climate or something.
Hell, I'd watch it.
Posted by: HH at May 13, 2011 06:08 PM (6oDXl)
Posted by: The Met's Principle Research Scientist John Mitchell at May 13, 2011 06:12 PM (/FqjZ)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 13, 2011 06:16 PM (edTzD)
Posted by: Optimizer at May 13, 2011 06:19 PM (F56VB)
Posted by: Mitch Daniels at May 13, 2011 06:20 PM (/FqjZ)
Boy, do I know how to rub it in. And I will continue...pointing and laughing at his dumb assin front of our coworkers. I don't believe these turds can be humiliated enough.
Posted by: model_1066 at May 13, 2011 06:21 PM (FAmpd)
Posted by: Minuteman at May 13, 2011 06:25 PM (/FqjZ)
More tin-foil hat material:
"I would say this is probably very personal on bin Laden's part, to kill
a President that he believes has violated the Muslim faith," said Brad
Garrett," an ABC News consultant and former FBI profiler. "He is
incensed, inflamed, obsessed about killing the President."
Hmm. Apparently/possibly bin Laden believed that Obama, due to being the
child of a Muslim father (paternal religion establishes in Islam) was
therefor a Muslim, and in professing to being a Christian, was therefor an apostate from Islam.
Been saying that for years.
Posted by: Downsized Upscale at May 13, 2011 06:25 PM (IhHdM)
Posted by: Jackhole at May 13, 2011 06:29 PM (+qHxi)
Posted by: Minuteman at May 13, 2011 06:30 PM (/FqjZ)
Posted by: Jackhole at May 13, 2011 06:29 PM (+qHxi)
Because this time it's different. Dumbasses !
Posted by: Jackhole at May 13, 2011 06:30 PM (+qHxi)
Okay, the Earth is either warming or cooling. According to the evidence this has happened over and over again. Don't give a shit.
The only practical solution to either is to adapt to the particular, thus insuring, or maximizing, chances of survival.
Consequently, this ongoing bullshit is meaningless.
Posted by: irongrampa at May 13, 2011 06:32 PM (ud5dN)
Posted by: Minuteman at May 13, 2011 06:30 PM (/FqjZ)
Isn't that how they wrote the healthcare bill ?
Posted by: Jackhole at May 13, 2011 06:32 PM (+qHxi)
Posted by: irongrampa at May 13, 2011 06:32 PM (ud5dN)
Change is not mandatory, neither is survival.
Posted by: Jackhole at May 13, 2011 06:33 PM (+qHxi)
Seriously. Live Climate, A Debate. Presenters from both sides, broadcast on PBS and BBC. Start on a Fri. Evening, and then run all day Sat.
Let the world see the difference between the 'Warmists' and 'The Skeptics', or however it needs to be presented.
And see how science is indeed presented.
Posted by: HH at May 13, 2011 06:38 PM (6oDXl)
Shiggz, #38: "*they get antsy if you point out that
- CO2 is .04-% of atmosphere
-Argon is .9+%
-Oxygen 20.7% "
AmishDude, #77: "There is far far far more Argon in the atmosphere and people don't even know what Argon is."
Both of you are right, but argon doesn't absorb infrared because it consists of single atoms. Oxygen doesn't, because O2 can't change its dipole moment no matter how you stretch it. (Ditto for N2, nearly 80% of the atmosphere.)
So when the overwhelming majority of the atmosphere doesn't absorb infrared radiation, it's not absurd on the face of it to say that CO2, which sure does, could have a major effect if it went from 240ppm to 390ppm.
The more interesting objection, as some here have pointed out, is that water vapor absorbs IR like all hell, and is much more abundant than CO2. So if the earth warms, do we get more water vapor, and then more warming? Or do we get more clouds, less light coming through, and a tendency toward less warming?
The fact that models don't have anything like a consensus on the balance between these is a big weakness in AGW predictions. As is the fact that the more militant boosters of the theory blame everything, but everything, on it.
So when a warmy confronts you with something they consider clinching proof, and demand, "What else could it be?" remember this answer: It could be anything in the world that you don't understand. In this case, maybe anything in the solar system.
Posted by: JPS at May 13, 2011 06:38 PM (0679C)
I met someone who so totally believes this shit, any mention that it's a fraud sends him into a rage. It's like telling a Muslim you want to spit on his Koran.
Posted by: Beto at May 13, 2011 06:39 PM (H+LJc)
They could only spring for a pair of monkeys who spent a lot of their time masturbating each other.
Posted by: Beto at May 13, 2011 06:40 PM (H+LJc)
Posted by: andycanuck at May 13, 2011 06:44 PM (Y1DZt)
Posted by: irongrampa at May 13, 2011 06:45 PM (ud5dN)
"Our models show that Obama will win the next election, so we don't actually have to have an election. Interestingly enough, our models show that Democrats will hold a majority in the Senate and House for the next thousand years as well."
You know they really want to say that.
Posted by: Darth Randall at May 13, 2011 06:46 PM (O/onO)
http://tinyurl.com/yc6uawu
Love this guy... turns out we DO have data on infrared absobtion from the atmoshphere... and it has NOT increased as CO2 has increased....
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 13, 2011 06:48 PM (NtXW4)
Posted by: andycanuck at May 13, 2011 06:44 PM (Y1DZt) Yeah... but its an Inert Gas.../runs out of thread...
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 13, 2011 06:54 PM (NtXW4)
Posted by: davidr at May 13, 2011 07:01 PM (ONqbz)
Posted by: Beagle at May 13, 2011 05:34 PM (sOtz/)
If you don't like rap you are racist
They have a rap about global warmingTherefore if you disagree with global warming you are racist.Those are fucking facts bitch!
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at May 13, 2011 07:02 PM (pdRb1)
"Whether 'tis nobler to endure bugs and maggots in your back hair
"Or to get hit square in the face with a handful of your best friend's caca."
That's how it should've been.
(Friggin' editors.)
Posted by: Monkey at May 13, 2011 07:04 PM (Rq1/g)
Posted by: SFGoth at May 13, 2011 07:06 PM (dZ756)
Posted by: Jean at May 13, 2011 07:09 PM (7P7Ij)
Posted by: Usama Bin Ladin's Paid Porn Downloader at May 13, 2011 07:16 PM (nj1bB)
Got my PhD in WishCasting, mofos!
From the University of Uranus, man? Me too!
Posted by: space hippie (I guess you can smell in space after all) at May 13, 2011 05:26 PM (Y1DZt)
Hey me too, pulled it out without and debt either
Posted by: Jean at May 13, 2011 07:16 PM (7P7Ij)
105
crisis du jour
Thanks for that. I'm gonna pretend that I actually read the article now.
I'm going to burn all the science books I can find so nothing like this ever happens again.
Posted by: dude at May 13, 2011 07:22 PM (+aMaK)
Posted by: SOYLENT GREEN at May 13, 2011 07:35 PM (EgIKE)
the Met's principle research scientist John Mitchell
Principal. Principal scientist. How can they make a mistake like that? -Everybody knows the Met Office doesn't have principles.
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46 I haven't met a Christian yet who wants to get government to force me to tithe to his church.
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Uh oh, now I'm thinking about that hot Jeri Ryan as "7 of 9." If it weren't for her scumbag ex-husband BHO wouldn't be President.
Posted by: Arms Merchant at May 13, 2011 08:09 PM (NZMKc)
Oh, line them up, line them up by all means ... then subject them to a fondly delivered round of kinetic projectile action. Lying, thieving assholes.
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Posted by: KMChina at May 13, 2011 09:56 PM (3wvPz)
That a "scientist" could actually say that a model is more useful than empirical data is a perversion of the field. His degrees should be revoked by the grantors.
The first thing we learn about a model is that it is an approximation of reality. Some are better approximations than others. Your mileage may vary...
That this man would expect us to believe that a model of this planet's climate is valid, given the complexities involved, is beyond ludicrous. He has in fact become a priest, preaching the faith.
Another good question to ask warmies is how many means of heat transfer exist, and how many do climate models take into account?
There are four, but most models only take radiation into account. And then there's the cloud cover and water vapor factors that these models don't even begin to address.
You have come to the same conclusion; I'm only stating the scientific basis for your correct conclusions.
AGW is as faith-based as any religion, and it's unfortunate that "scientists" have become High Priests" for this religion.
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It's called Post-normal science. It's almost, but not quite, entirely unlike science. It's similar to what Feynman called Cargo Cult Science. It's all abouteco-marxist advocacy using scientific trappings.
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Pretty soon a lot of real scientists started looking it over and cried, "Shenanigans!!" Sheepishly, Jones, Briffa, Mann, et al began trying to cover up and hide all their tricks and scams so as not to be going to prison or worse yet, losing tenure.
It's time to bring back the pillory and public flogging.
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