Obama: Hey, I've Got a Great Idea. How About Automatic Tax Hikes That Pass Into Law Without A Vote If We Spend Too Much?

Ah, I didn't catch this. His idea about the automatic "spending cuts" was coupled with the automatic "spending reductions," which is his new code for tax hikes.

He says that if his plan, which doesn't exist, fails to cut spending, which it isn't actually designed to do, some sort of mechanism of automatic "spending reductions" will go into effect.

Which means tax increases. Like reducing the wasteful "spending deduction" of your personal exemption, thereby taxing more of your income.

He views it as unnecessary spending when the government lets you keep your money, and his plan is to have an automated system to keep this money from going out the government door (by which he means remaining in your pocket).

And, even better, at its heart is something the Democrats have always wanted: The ability to raise taxes without even having to risk the public outcry from voting for it.

Per Obama's plan, whenever the government didn't balance its books, "spending reductions" go into effect, like clockwork machinery without further human aid, and just take as much of your money as needed.

Well, he sure is transformative. That much I'll give him.

Via Instapundit.

Posted by: Ace at 05:46 PM

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1 I got a even better option. Abort Obama.

Posted by: Holger at April 13, 2011 05:48 PM (YxGud)

2 I'll say it again: the GOP has no business sending anyone to the "bipartisan" commission to be chaired by Uncle Joe (he's a movin' kinda slow round the junction).

Posted by: ya2daup at April 13, 2011 05:49 PM (HmCnI)

3 Well, he sure is transformative. That much I'll give him.

His fat-assed wife warned us he was going to "fundamentally change this country" and the bitch wasn't kidding.

Thanks, 52%ers. Bastards.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 13, 2011 05:50 PM (UOM48)

4 I think you meant: "and his plan is to have an automated system to keep this money from going out
the government door (by which he means remaining in your pocket)"

Posted by: Andy at April 13, 2011 05:50 PM (5Rurq)

5 And some think he is unbeatable. HA! This man has many chinks in his armor. He is beatable.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at April 13, 2011 05:50 PM (u8JAM)

6 Tax hikes are "spending reductions." Orwellcringes.

Posted by: Cicero at April 13, 2011 05:50 PM (QKKT0)

7 Okay, so I should start sharpening my pitchfork and making sure I have plenty of torches.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 13, 2011 05:52 PM (8y9MW)

8 So he wants to set up the American Taxpayer on sort of an automatic debit system. The government spends too much? No problem! Just ding the account! Nice.

Posted by: angler at April 13, 2011 05:52 PM (SwjAj)

9 Zer0 the gift that keeps on giving

Posted by: Jackhole at April 13, 2011 05:52 PM (+qHxi)

10 I got some spending reduction plans for next April you bastards. Online, barter, used, cash only.

Posted by: Evil libertarian at April 13, 2011 05:53 PM (gyqmT)

11 It was fun to watch the market during his speech. First it started to drop, then righted itself when everyone realized he was just rambling and pretty much incoherent, and nothing whatsoever would come of any of his bloviations.

Joe Biden is chairing the Committee of the Pointless?

eh, makes sense

Posted by: BlackOrchid at April 13, 2011 05:53 PM (SB0V2)

12 I sorta notice even some libs I know don't want to talk about it lately.

Posted by: Jackhole at April 13, 2011 05:53 PM (+qHxi)

13 Choo Choo sleeping was priceless

Posted by: Jackhole at April 13, 2011 05:54 PM (+qHxi)

14 So, who's this John Galt guy anyways?

Posted by: supercore at April 13, 2011 05:54 PM (bwV72)

15 We are at a fundamental disconnect regarding the proper role of government and its limits. I do not see how much more those who produce the wealth will stomach from those who exist solely to consume the wealth and whose intellectual depth seems to be no different than that of the "trick or treat" crowd that shows up every Halloween.

Posted by: ya2daup at April 13, 2011 05:54 PM (HmCnI)

16 No problem! Just ding the account! Nice.
Posted by: angler at April 13, 2011 05:52 PM (SwjAj)
More Cowbell????

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 13, 2011 05:54 PM (NtXW4)

17 a comment at Althouse's site: "Go over to Drudge and check out the video of Joe Biden asleep during the President's telling the rest of us that he wants ANOTHER commision, but this time, Biden's in charge. That guy...the one asleep. The one who was supposed to ride herd on the big $800 billion infusion of magic."
The quicker we line up behind one candidate for 2012, the quicker the Dems and the MSM can blow their wads before we pick the real candidate.

Posted by: mallfly at April 13, 2011 05:55 PM (bJm7W)

18 9 Zer0 the gift that keeps on giving
Posted by: Jackhole at April 13, 2011 05:52 PM (+qHxi)
Think the deficit is bad- just add a Zero to it.

Posted by: Darth Randall at April 13, 2011 05:55 PM (O/onO)

19 Yeah, but the reach-around made it all okay.

Posted by: Fritz the mobile ATM machine at April 13, 2011 05:55 PM (ngf4R)

20 So in the world of newspeak, "government spending" equates to taxpayers being allowed to keep more of their money. Therefore REDUCING government spending means REDUCING the money taxpayers get to keep. Got it, thanks. I think this calls for a letter to my Congressman and Senators.

Posted by: Wile E. Coyote, super genius at April 13, 2011 05:55 PM (dOOBu)

21 Paul Ryan is pissed. I think Obama really misjudged the atmosphere right now. All he did was give conservatives more reason to dig in hard.

If they allow Obama to roll them this time I give up. No point in fighting anymore, the game will be over anyway.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 13, 2011 05:56 PM (TMB3S)

22 He is just arrogant as can be, rubbing this in our faces just prior to taxes due day. I will vote for ANYONE who runs against this tool and his end runs around the rule of law.

Posted by: Museisluse at April 13, 2011 05:57 PM (xrmna)

23 Posted by: ya2daup at April 13, 2011 05:54 PM (HmCnI)

It's even lower more shallow than that: at least the kids who show up at my door for trick-or-treat are funny. I get something out of that transaction.

This is more like those idiot kids involved in [Sport of the Moment] who stand on a street corner with a sign "Help send Us to Nationals!" and expect you just to give them money. Because they're standing there. And they want to go to nationals. Carwash? Work for the money? hahahaha!

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 13, 2011 05:57 PM (8y9MW)

24 Posted by: Flapjackmaka at April 13, 2011 05:50 PM (u8JAM)
does it matter to you? you said you wouldn't come out if Palin was not the nominee, btw he leads everyone but Huckabee in polling at Rasmussen right now, disgusting

Posted by: YRM (We're Screwed Aren't We?) at April 13, 2011 05:57 PM (UzBwz)

25 If you get people hooked on heroin, then they will do anythign they have to do to get more heroin, including mugging people for the money. If you get people hooked on government, they will do anything they have to do to get more government, including mass muggings for the money.

Posted by: Truman North at April 13, 2011 05:58 PM (8ay4x)

26 And never forget, God may have created jackasses but he doesn't expect us to vote for them.

Posted by: mallfly at April 13, 2011 05:58 PM (bJm7W)

27 In other words:
Obama wants to take taxpayers debit cards and use them directly.

Posted by: Randy at April 13, 2011 05:58 PM (D0PNd)

28 5
And some think he is unbeatable. HA! This man has many chinks in his armor. He is beatable.Posted by: Flapjackmaka at April 13, 2011 05:50 PM (u8JAM)

You're one of the young voters: how is it possible to get across the message that this guy -- who many of your generation seem to think is the candy man -- proposes and implements programs that will destroy their country? (And then their candy goes bye-bye.)

Posted by: ya2daup at April 13, 2011 05:59 PM (HmCnI)

29 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 13, 2011

Sounds like the couple selling bottled water at the side of the road every day. Except they're on the right side where noone can see them. And they're sitting in their lawn chair. And their kids are playing in the dirt 5 feet away from a major highway. And you have no idea where the bottles came from or why you shouldn't just go the damn store for the same thing.

But they expect you to buy the water because "they need it".

Posted by: supercore at April 13, 2011 06:00 PM (bwV72)

30 How About Automatic Tax Hikes That Pass Into Law Without A Vote If We Spend Too Much?
Obama isn't very keen on this whole "democracy" thing. First it was his Czars making overreaching regulation via fiat, next it was EOs propagating even more regulation via fiat, and now he's trying to set up mechanisms for automatic tax increases without a Congressional vote.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at April 13, 2011 06:00 PM (c0A3e)

31 Horeshit, horseshit, horseshit.

On the other hand have you seen Serena Williams new tennis outfit?

http://tinyurl.com/3atof3u

Holy sheeet.

Posted by: mpfs at April 13, 2011 06:00 PM (iYbLN)

32 Posted by: supercore at April 13, 2011 06:00 PM (bwV72)

No, see, I don't view those people with as much contempt as those stupid kids (and their parents and coaches). They're at least trying to give you something of some amount of value in return for your charity. These kids just hang out expecting hand-outs. It's maddening.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 13, 2011 06:01 PM (8y9MW)

33 Heh. Stolen from that financial site you guys hate:

And for those confused how B.H.O. picked the arbitrary number of $4 trillion in "cuts", John Lohman summarizes it best.
How Washington Cuts $38 Billion in 5 Simple Steps:1. Announce spending bill that claims $38 billion in cuts2. Wait for CBO to announce it only cuts $353 million13. Realize you only do 0.0093% of what you say24. Divide $38 billion by 0.0093% to get necessary target35. Round to the nearest trillion and announce result
1 : Source: Washington Post, April 13, 2011
2 : $353 million divided by $38 billion
3 : $38 billion divided by 0.0093 = 4.1 trillion

Posted by: Prez Breaky Osoylentgreenie at April 13, 2011 06:01 PM (Z1jiu)

34 24: chin up YRM. If Huckabee ?! is leading Barry in polling the nation is pretty tired of hearing "let me be clear" from the snooty nosed twit between his fancy trips on AF1.

Posted by: palerider at April 13, 2011 06:01 PM (dkExz)

35 How about we raise money by putting all of our elected officials on a pay-per-view Japanese game show where they have to eat live praying mantises and get kicked kicked repeatedly in the balls amongst other things that people world wide would pay good money to see?

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at April 13, 2011 06:01 PM (pdRb1)

36 "Hey, if they're automatic tax hikes, then I didn't raise your taxes.Winning!"---O-bah-muhh

Posted by: Live Free Or Die at April 13, 2011 06:01 PM (ZEs7s)

37 �When the President reached out to ask us to attend his speech, we were expecting an olive branch. Instead, his speech was excessively partisan, dramatically inaccurate, and hopelessly inadequate to address our fiscal crisis. What we heard today was not fiscal leadership from our commander-in-chief; we heard a political broadside from our campaigner-in-chief." -- Paul Ryan
So what are you Repubics going to do about it?

Posted by: StrangernFiction at April 13, 2011 06:03 PM (dKCBV)

38 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 13, 2011

Fair enough. Maybe I just hate that they're still sitting on their asses.

At least the kids get dressed up in their uniforms.

Posted by: supercore at April 13, 2011 06:03 PM (bwV72)

39 Joe Biden's avatar seen at Hole 9, Par 4.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 13, 2011 06:04 PM (QMtmy)

40 oh, off-topic but Ijust noticed this at Gateway Pundit, and like a good Democrat I wanted to share something that wasn't mine:

The Associated Press mistakenly published a story Wednesday about General Electric Co. that was based on a fake press release.
The fake release said that General Electric, responding to criticism over the amount of taxes it pays, would repay a $3.2 billion tax refund for 2010 to the Treasury Department.
The fake release, which was emailed to the AP, included a GE logo and a link to a website designed to look like GE�s website. The AP published a 90-word story based on the release. Thirty-five minutes later, AP withdrew the story and advised its customers that the story was a hoax.

Posted by: mallfly at April 13, 2011 06:04 PM (bJm7W)

41 does it matter to you? you said you wouldn't come out if Palin was not the nominee, btw he leads everyone but Huckabee in polling at Rasmussen right now, disgusting
Posted by: YRM (We're Screwed Aren't We?) at April 13, 2011 05:57 PM (UzBwz)
Never said that. Said I would not vote if Huckabee or Romney were the nominee. You do know there are other candidates right?
You think Huck is going to survive after the cop killing stuff, the religious bigot media coverage, the disgustiong family (His son tortured a dog) and the fact that the guy is only the biggest fiscal liberal evah!?
Polls my ass. They dont matter now. I'm shocked you would vote for him. GWB hurt conservatism bad and Obama being neutered by a GOP house is a lot better than a progressive R giving cover to RINOs and Democrats to enact more social spending. Get your head out of your ass.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at April 13, 2011 06:04 PM (u8JAM)

42 damn sock

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at April 13, 2011 06:05 PM (Z1jiu)

43 This is by far one of the most evil suggestions I've ever heard from a politician. They don't like accountability for voting for spending so this way they can duck it entirely. "Hey, it's not my fault! I didn't vote for the tax increase."

Posted by: Gordo at April 13, 2011 06:06 PM (pecsX)

44 I thought my phonograph was something special. But you, Mr. Obama, with your Automatic Taxpayer Reaming Machine, have really outdone yourself!

Posted by: T. Edison at April 13, 2011 06:06 PM (AYDSU)

45 So what are you Repubics going to do about it?
Hell-oooo! Didn't you read my soundbite???

Posted by: Paul Ryan at April 13, 2011 06:06 PM (8ay4x)

46 Earlier I posted a link to story stating US is still bombing Libya.

Now I read this:

Libya: US urged to return to front lineI thought France and NATO ruled!!!111!!11!!!

Posted by: momma at April 13, 2011 06:07 PM (penCf)

47 In my own household, my two children are devotees of this guy -- my daughter more so than my son, but he is marrying a ditz further into the tank than he is. There's no taking the straight dope with them; they've bought into the "evil rich / evil corporations" crapola spewed by the left at every opportunity.

I am rapidly coming to the point where my message to them will be, "I neither intend to be a burden on you as I get older, nor do I intend to leave you anything (and that means anything). You are making your own beds, now lie in them."

Posted by: ya2daup at April 13, 2011 06:07 PM (HmCnI)

48 22
He is just arrogant as can be, rubbing this in our faces just prior to
taxes due day. I will vote for ANYONE who runs against this tool and his
end runs around the rule of law.

If the elections were held today I would vote for the SlapChop and Graty ticket over the current crap.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at April 13, 2011 06:07 PM (pdRb1)

49 Talk about Orwellian use of language. Unbelievable.

Posted by: Iblis at April 13, 2011 06:08 PM (9221z)

50 I'm not quite sure what the Newsweek editors are saying here. I *think* they're a little unhappy with us GOPers.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 13, 2011 06:08 PM (pLTLS)

51 I caught Gene Sperling spinning the O's plan on Bloomberg TV and the interviewer kept pressing him on the $4T number because all the numbers he was quoting only added to $3T. Finally he stated that the extra trillion came from reduced interest on the debt. 'Cause, ya know, that number has got nowhere to go but down.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at April 13, 2011 06:08 PM (7EV/g)

52 If my kids turn out to be Democrats, I'm not leaving them anything. Sure, I'll still love them, but from far, far away.

Posted by: Truman North at April 13, 2011 06:08 PM (8ay4x)

53 In libspeak, a tax cut is a form of government spending. So eliminating the tax cut (aka raising taxes) is a spending reduction.

Now, how can I apply this sort of thinking to trick strippers into paying _ME_ for sex?

Posted by: wooga at April 13, 2011 06:09 PM (2p0e3)

54 Everything comes later. So Obama is going to spend his entire first term blaming Bush and his second blaming the Republican who will follow him. Is that how this works?

Posted by: Rocks at April 13, 2011 06:09 PM (Q1lie)

55 29
But they expect you to buy the water because "they need it".Posted by: supercore at April 13, 2011 06:00 PM (bwV72)

Ah, brings back memories of the roadside stands manned by the Beanie Baby Millionaires�. I haven't seen them in nearly a decade now; I wonder how that worked out for them?

Posted by: ya2daup at April 13, 2011 06:10 PM (HmCnI)

56 meanwhile, the Florida Legislature is .......EN FUEGO !!!!!!!!!!

The House has already passed the Wisconsin Tango and the Senate is in the process of passing it. Many other good things being done in their mercifully short session

Obama is Mostly Toast here

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at April 13, 2011 06:10 PM (UqKQV)

57 "Spending reductions" ??

Reducing my ability to spend by increasing taxes is now referred to as "spending reductions?" I can't keep up. You're not allowed to just make shit up, teh MSM will be all over him for this, just like when he invented the term "jobs created or saved". I remember the MSM outcry over that one!
/s

Posted by: BuckIV at April 13, 2011 06:10 PM (AtjNL)

58 The Orwellian nature of the term "spending reductions" makes my head hurt. Honestly, we're to the point where the progressives think they can just change the meaning of words to suit their political purposes? Seriously?

Posted by: Fred at April 13, 2011 06:11 PM (xWGQr)

59 47
In my own household, my two children are devotees of this guy -- my
daughter more so than my son, but he is marrying a ditz further into the
tank than he is. There's no taking the straight dope with them; they've
bought into the "evil rich / evil corporations" crapola spewed by the
left at every opportunity.

Why don't you suggest they get a job working some poor people?

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at April 13, 2011 06:12 PM (pdRb1)

60 Florida is on the Cusp of legalizing 'Destination Resorts' so that you don't gotta go to Vegas to get fleeced

no cowboy poets here

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at April 13, 2011 06:13 PM (UqKQV)

61 Posted by: ya2daup at April 13, 2011 06:07 PM (HmCnI)
Did you by any chance pay to send them to a 'good' university?

Posted by: Randy at April 13, 2011 06:13 PM (D0PNd)

62 OT

Kobe made some homophobic remark during a game and the entire ESPN crew is making excuse after excuse for him.

I've seen them go out of their way to talk politics when Republicans made fun of Barry picking his bracket because they wanted to call his critics (us) racists.

Amazing.

Posted by: momma at April 13, 2011 06:14 PM (penCf)

63 I know this thread is about Obama lies but I'm sick of Obama lies

every day is Obama Lies Day. Enough is enough, man

same with the Doom posts; wearin me out, man

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at April 13, 2011 06:14 PM (UqKQV)

64 Well, he sure is transformative.
Nah.
The Fed's taxation-by-devaluation has been working that way for a hundred years. No one votes for every bracket to shift downward and every borderline earner's deductions to peel off, but there they go, more every year. Almost no one paid federal income tax when it started. Now most do (at least nominally; taxpayer-paid workers don't pay taxes), and ye olde rock-ribbed conservatives only ever complain that there are still people who don't.
This shit works.

Posted by: oblig. at April 13, 2011 06:14 PM (xvZW9)

65 If it works for Gold's Gym why wouldn't it work for the IRS?

Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Gristle Encased Head at April 13, 2011 06:15 PM (+lsX1)

66 For the love of God, not again!!!

Posted by: That Chicken at April 13, 2011 06:15 PM (v+QvA)

67 40The fake release, which was emailed to the AP, included a GE logo and
a link to a website designed to look like GE�s website. The AP
published a 90-word story based on the release. Thirty-five minutes
later, AP withdrew the story and advised its customers that the story
was a hoax.Posted by: mallfly at April 13, 2011 06:04 PM (bJm7W)

Saw that on HA this morning.

You left out the part where AP blamed the mistake on an internal staffing error: instead of hiring fact checkers, they hired fax checkers (lower personnel costs and all that). ;-)

Posted by: ya2daup at April 13, 2011 06:16 PM (HmCnI)

68 You can't blame young people. The American dream has become "get a good government job so you will never lose it." Young people are scared. They have a right to be.

Posted by: Rocks at April 13, 2011 06:16 PM (Q1lie)

69 You've gotta hand it to them. The Commies are smart fuckers. They've figured out that we are so dumbed down that as long as they don't call themselves communists they can get away with anything. And they are. And with the willing help of at least 52% of us stupid motherfuckers.
This country is toast.

Posted by: LGoPs at April 13, 2011 06:20 PM (lHn6+)

70 How cantax increasesbe twisted into"spending reductions"? I thought words had meaning.

Posted by: Ronster at April 13, 2011 06:21 PM (aQjWt)

71 Just remember, no matter what Barry does or proposes, no matter what, Michael Medved says Barry loves this country as much as you do and if you say otherwise, you're probably a...

Posted by: George Orwell at April 13, 2011 06:23 PM (+vkOU)

72 47
In my own household, my two children are devotees of this guy -- my
daughter more so than my son, but he is marrying a ditz further into the
tank than he is.Posted by: ya2daup at April 13, 2011 06:07 PM (HmCnI)

My son is gainfully employed in a decent-paying entry-level job with a sourcing and logistics firm. I had some time to pull him partway back from the brink because he was in Boy Scouts -- as was I -- and earned Eagle rank. We have lunch together once a week; there's hope for him yet since he sees a biweekly paycheck.
The two women, on the other hand, are both still in school working toward Masters degrees (on their own dime), but in liberal arts fields where employment outside of tweedy bookstores and incense-filled coffeehouses is hard to come by.

Posted by: ya2daup at April 13, 2011 06:25 PM (HmCnI)

73 How about automatic firing squads if you spend too much, that seems much less expensive... or am I just thinking crazy?

Posted by: Rob in Katy at April 13, 2011 06:27 PM (PiTBB)

74 Any noise from the Trump, there in his Trump Dump, hanging with the Trump Frump on this?

Posted by: Museisluse at April 13, 2011 06:31 PM (xrmna)

75 Uh, dude, read your next most recent blog post.
Tax increases are not the devil.
Would you rather we just blow the sucker up? Default?
Lunch ain't free.

Posted by: Entropy at April 13, 2011 06:31 PM (SwWT6)

76 Posted by: Entropy at April 13, 2011 06:31 PM (SwWT6)

I'm for letting it blow up. It's going to anyway. The sooner the better.

Posted by: Soona at April 13, 2011 06:35 PM (5FMhB)

77 "So what are you Repubics going to do about it?"

oh god, it's 1995 allover again i think i'm gonna cry...

Posted by: john boehner at April 13, 2011 06:36 PM (qvify)

78 Hey. I have a great idea for obama. How about he goes and fucks himself.

Posted by: AreYouFuckingKiddingMe at April 13, 2011 06:37 PM (gPJ/q)

79 Let it blow up. I'm sick tired of these lying, thieving fuckers.

Posted by: mpfs at April 13, 2011 06:39 PM (iYbLN)

80 This is the rule about government spending, "No matter how much money we send to Washington they will spend all of it and then demand more"! It will never be enough for them.

Posted by: Emil at April 13, 2011 07:02 PM (fznm6)

81 Obama is a lying cunt. Fuck him with a flaming Koran.

Posted by: Muhammad's Left Nut at April 13, 2011 07:07 PM (QcFbt)

82 oh gawd. An automatic tax hike if government spend too much is equivalent of advocating government take over 100% of the economy, because the government will NEVER spend too little

Posted by: oic at April 13, 2011 07:25 PM (v0NkB)

83
Beyond Arnold: The Taxinator.

Posted by: NCC at April 13, 2011 07:40 PM (lDsmT)

84 My plan? If Congress spends too much, or the President proposes spending too much, aliens come down from space and shoot their dicks off with a ray-gun (or if they are female- lasers one on?).

I think that plan is just as feasible as anything Obama invented today.

Posted by: Marcus at April 13, 2011 09:28 PM (ktK6U)

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"the failsafe will trigger an across the board spending reduction, including on spending through the tax code."

Cuts in "spending through the tax code"is what Obama is calling a tax increase now... seriously.

But at least we cut 332 million with the current proposal, another 4,819 years at this rate and we'll fix the 1.6 trillion dollar hole. Dang, that's more than 12 years isn't it? Well, 4,807 years of automatic tax increases really won't take all that long, will it?

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