Renee Ellmers: I Won't Increase Your Taxes. Bob "The Strangler" Etheridge Already Did

So many races... so many within reach.

I met Renee Ellmers, candidate for Representative of NC-2, at BlogCon. She wanted to get her name out there, I guess, and certainly didn't mind mixing it up with silly bloggers to do it.

She doesn't mind mixing with her constituents and the common folk -- you know, like Barney Frank.

She needs money to run an ad defending herself against Bob Etheridge's latest smear.

After graduating from Madison High School, needing to work her way through college, Renee trained as a Medical Assistant. For the next eight years, working full and part-time jobs, she attended Oakland University, graduating with a Bachelor of Science degree in Nursing.

A year later, working as a Surgical Intensive Care Nurse at Beaumont Hospital she met her husband, Brent, a graduate of the University Of Indiana School Of Medicine.
After their son was born, while visiting family in Cary, Renee and her husband decided to move to North Carolina. Today she works with her husband as Clinical Director of the Trinity Wound Care Center in Dunn.

I asked her what she did, mostly, and she said, "Wound care."

Wound care?!, I said. That's kind of a graphic image to drop on a voter. What the hell kind of knife-fighting hillbilly-feud district are you in down there in North Carolina? Say "Special treatment," I advised.

She laughed, or pretended to, which makes her cool in my book.

But what about the substance of the charge? Does she support a "national sales tax"?

Well, it is precisely as I thought, and precisely as you would have guessed: Yes, she supports the so-called "Fair Tax" to replace the income tax, not be piled on top of it.

Do I support that? Hell, I don't know. Maybe. Right now it's hard to say because it hasn't gotten the vetting, the big national scrutiny and analysis, it needs before I think the decision is ripe. But it's definitely a conservative, low-tax idea. It is not, as this unmitigated dickhead suggests, a "new national sales tax."

The idea, of course, is to get rid of the IRS completely in favor of a point-of-sale collection system, taxing expenditures, not income, not wealth, not savings. Quite a few conservative economists think that such a tax could lead to enormous gains in economic growth (and of course -- no more IRS and no more April 15th hell). And that 23% number is not picked at random; it is supposed to be a number which will result in tax revenue remaining equal to the current (Bush) rates, so it in no way raises taxes. (Actually, the main criticism of the plan is that that rate is too low and will not be revenue-neutral-- so, as presented at least, it's arguably a tax-cutting plan.)

So, there you go. This choke-y bastard lied, flat out, and he's doing so in ads, and this good woman needs your help to combat that.

By the way, here's Anderson Cooper attempting to berate her and look foolish. I find his flacking for Etheridge... unpersuasive.

So here Anderson Cooper suggests that it's okay for the Victory Mosque to be built, because "all religions do it," apparently. That is, build triumphal religious centers upon sites of military victories. So we should all be cool and chill out about it being done to us, now, not 1500 years ago.

And then of course he keeps talking over her and over her.

And then tells her, condescendingly, that the Victory Mosque isn't at the WTC, but two blocks away. Score, eh?

Another point: Because Renee Ellmers isn't willing to swear to the good intentions of a provocative, terrorist-coddling Imam she doesn't know, she's the bad guy?

And then more, "You do know, don't you..."'s. Liberals love those.

At the end, Anderson Cooper piously instructs the audience, "I'm not here to take a position against Ms. Ellmers..."

Right, Anderson. Right. And I suppose when liberal mosque-enthusiasts came on you similarly peppered them with...

"You do know, don't you, that Imam Rauf refuses to call Hamas a terrorist organization, right? Right?"

Or:

"You do know -- or were you unaware...? --- that Imam Rauf has called America an 'accomplice' in 9/11?"

No, I don't think that Anderson Cooper, who just wants to correct people's factual misstatements, noted any of those facts for his liberal guests to squirm with.

Posted by: Ace at 07:04 PM

Comments

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1 Heh! The Dems are going to need some wound care after this election!

Posted by: Bawney Fwank at October 06, 2010 07:21 PM (8GYOu)

2 I was going to ask if the joke meant what I thought it meant, but it looks like ace spiked it.

Posted by: Waterhouse at October 06, 2010 07:22 PM (eMrqW)

3 Although I'd "take a position" on the drunk lines along the campus bars, IYKWIM!

Posted by: Anderson Cooper at October 06, 2010 07:22 PM (GKsRG)

4 You mean the Dems are going to need some special treatment after this election, and lots of it!

Posted by: EC at October 06, 2010 07:22 PM (f4TZ2)

5

Do I support that? Hell, I don't know. Maybe. Right now it's hard to
say because it hasn't gotten the vetting, the big national scrutiny and
analysis, it needs before I think the decision is ripe. But it's
definitely a conservative, low-tax idea. It is not, as this unmitigated
dickhead suggests, a "new national sales tax."

--I can understand people voting Democrat on the basis of primitive
Balkanized identity politics, or based on their pet perversions, or to
cling bitterly to their no-show make-work jobs, but I have no clue why
anyone anymore would vote Democrat with fiscal responsibility as the deciding issue.

Posted by: logprof at October 06, 2010 07:23 PM (BP6Z1)

6 Bad sock!

Posted by: runningrn at October 06, 2010 07:28 PM (8GYOu)

7 Buck is getting smeared in CO for the same position and with the same implication that it would be a new tax rather than a replacement of income tax with credits for low income folks like we have now with EITC programs. Hopefully people are smarter than that but Buck and Gardner here in CO do not seem to be using their web sites to counter. I think its a mistake for them to rely on others to fight their battles on these smears.

Posted by: PaleRider at October 06, 2010 07:31 PM (dkExz)

8 A year later, working as a Surgical Intensive Care Nurse at Beaumont Hospital she met her husband, Brent, a graduate of the University Of Indiana School Of Medicine.

Well, that splains everything! Her husband is one of those tonsil stealing/foot chopping doctors!

Posted by: runningrn at October 06, 2010 07:31 PM (8GYOu)

9 Sarah Palin endorsed her sometime ago. I demand internal e-mails in order to create another Sarah 2012 Proxy War.

Posted by: Brian72 at October 06, 2010 07:31 PM (GNBk5)

10 Maybe she said womb care and you're an idiot.

Posted by: Dr Spank at October 06, 2010 07:32 PM (OdSjh)

11 Way to show that breeder for the monster she is, andi

BTW, I can't have you over this weekend, mommy is coming to visit

Posted by: Shep Smith-Cooper at October 06, 2010 07:33 PM (vdfwz)

12 The "Fair" Tax is NOT the flat tax. It is a tax increase for 90% (or more of the tax paying public). It is also not 23% as they advertise. When this POS first came out I went to the library and got the book, which turned out to be almost worthless except for the FAQ in the back. The rest of the book is spent talking about how bad the current system is.

You have to go to the web site and review their "calculations" and studies to figure out what they are doing. The you have to get the actual bill that was submitted to congress and read that closely.

This bill would be an unmitigated disaster for retired people and a huge screwing for almost everyone else. I say almost because the same non-taxpaying freeloaders we have at there now who suck from the public tit and who don't pay any taxes will not pay any taxes under this bill.

A flat tax means that everyone (yes all) will pay a flat percentage of tax on all income that they have, regardless of source. No deductions, no write-offs, and no social engineering with the tax code.

Oh and BTW, the bill that was submitted to the House has NOTHING in it about repealing the income tax amendment before it takes effect. You will wind up with this tax and the income tax and be right where the liberal want.

Europe with both income tax and a VAT, and we add all the State, country, and other taxes as well.

This is a piece of shit as it is currently written.

Posted by: Vic at October 06, 2010 07:33 PM (/jbAw)

13 Who are yew? Who are yew?
I'll send her some $$$ as soon as I boot up the laptop ...

Posted by: ya2daup at October 06, 2010 07:34 PM (eEjhL)

14 Ace,

Thanks for the plug for Renee, I served in the legislature with Bob "who are you" Etheridge.
He is a TOTAL DICK.

Democrat hack on the tit. NEVER had a job other than democrat hack.

Send this woman money!

Etheridge is a dishonest hack, did I say that already?

He's is also not very bright. I guess that is redundant.

Posted by: Kemp at October 06, 2010 07:35 PM (AQxTm)

15 I don't know if "Special Treatment" is necessarily more palatable.

"Special Treatment" sounds like what Anderson Cooper gets from the masseur.

Posted by: Waterhouse at October 06, 2010 07:35 PM (eMrqW)

16 Wound care can be anything from post op sites. burns to decubitus ulcers (bed sores). The skin is an organ and any open or damaged area needs treatment--- and for some, it needs specialized treatment regularly to help it heal, prevent infection and the onset of complications such as gangrene.

I'm a huge fan of wound specialists (but then again, they're often fans of mine

)
Just for that alone I'd vote for her.

Posted by: EZB at October 06, 2010 07:36 PM (fa9yq)

17 Don't forget I'm not strong on the issues, or potty trained.

Posted by: Bob "who are you" Etheridge at October 06, 2010 07:37 PM (OdSjh)

18 After President Obama started campaigning every tight race has shifted 5 - 7 points in favor of the Democratic candidate. You puggies will be lucky to win 10 in the house and 1 in the senate.

Posted by: beelzebub's burp at October 06, 2010 07:37 PM (7+pP9)

19 Hello, Cooper. You do know, don't you, that you are a petite-sized douchebag masquerading as a jumbo-sized turd in front of a dwindling audience? I'm not here to take a position against you or cast aspersions, mind you. I'm just asking questions.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at October 06, 2010 07:38 PM (swuwV)

20 My late father ran a wound care center here after he retired from surgery. They did a LOT of good there.

I automatically love this woman! I hope she wins!

Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 06, 2010 07:38 PM (SB0V2)

21 I saw that Anderson Cooper interview and posted about it in one of the threads in real time. And the next day I posted the interview. I thought she was great, handled herself beautifully. She got him so upset that he went and got an expert to prove that somehow what he was spouting about the Catholic Church was right, when in fact, it wasn't. Whenever it's your show and you feel the need to get an "expert" to back you up after you've been owned totally by a smart as a whip nurse from the south....then you know you've lost. She is one smart cookie and no matter how Anderson tried to intimidate her, she didn't back down. I think Anderson was shocked that someone didn't bow to his prowess. Anyways...would love to see her and Michelle Bachman on the same team....as they go searching for the remaining dems to come out for the "discussion".

Posted by: curious at October 06, 2010 07:38 PM (p302b)

22 Ah yes, Cary...."Corral Area for Relocated Yankees". My sisterinlaw, nephews and niece still live there. It was a lovely little town before being discovered by the carpet baggers in the 80s. I, however, would imagine that shithead's good ol boy schtick isn't their favorite.

Posted by: dagny at October 06, 2010 07:39 PM (wrXPr)

23 HOOWAR-YEW
HOOWAR-YEW
HOOWAR-YEW

HOOWAR-YEW
It's almost hypnotic.

Posted by: pep at October 06, 2010 07:39 PM (8zlLq)

24 >>>Wound care can be anything from post op sites. burns to decubitus ulcers (bed sores). The skin is an organ and any open or damaged area needs treatment--- and for some, it needs specialized treatment regularly to help it heal, prevent infection and the onset of complications such as gangrene.

yeah she said that but it doesn't make for a good punchline.

Posted by: ace at October 06, 2010 07:41 PM (t+Hrl)

25 Can she fix my wound that won't heal?

Posted by: ani difranco at October 06, 2010 07:42 PM (n34SH)

26 O/T: Michael Savage is talking about being in danger for having written his latest book.

That is too scary to hear.

Posted by: curious at October 06, 2010 07:42 PM (p302b)

27 I don't know if "Special Treatment" is necessarily more palatable."Special Treatment" sounds like what Anderson Cooper gets from the masseur.

It's known as "opening your second chakra".

Posted by: Big Al at October 06, 2010 07:42 PM (ic6aO)

28 Yu-Huh.

Posted by: Roy Halladay at October 06, 2010 07:42 PM (n34SH)

29
Two students were walking down the street, one was assaulted.

Posted by: sTevo at October 06, 2010 07:42 PM (VMcEw)

30 Okay, it's probably already been noted, but I will note it again. It is NOT the FLAT TAX. It is called the Fair Tax. Please educate yourselves on it before joining the legions of people demagoguing it. There are 2 books on it, both written by Congressman John Linder, and radio host Neal Boortz. There are all kinds of lies out there about it, including the notion that it would be an additional 23% sales tax above and beyond what is already being paid. It would instead replace all all current federal withholdings and, by removing the tax component embedded in practically all consumer goods sold in this country, will cause the price of these goods to drop, making it a near wash when these goods are sold in the retail marketplace. I can't do it proper justice, I would just suggest that before people attack the Fair Tax, they read about it. If, after you have read all the explanations, you still don't like it, then hey, that's all I can ask. Just don't do what this administration of liars does and condemn it without all the facts. Thanks.

Posted by: TimInVirginia at October 06, 2010 07:42 PM (uhKua)

31 Rome was conquered by the Christians?

Good grief Cooper's a dunce! The Christians converted Rome through the emperor, but there was no "conquest."

What a ar-tard.

Posted by: Kasper Hauser at October 06, 2010 07:43 PM (rVGXt)

32 Kemp, I wanted to give her money, but the donation page isn't secure. Whud'up?

Posted by: Editor at October 06, 2010 07:43 PM (pUfK9)

33 If she's for the Flat Tax, she's a winner.
If you don't know about it, read Steve Forbes' book on it. I have never been enchanted by the Fair Tax, and have always wondered why the Flat Tax idea hasn't taken off. And actually, Freedom Works (specifically, Dick Armey) was a champion of the Flat Tax long ago, before they became affiliated with the tea party movement.

Not that Bob "Who Are You" Etheridge isn't enough reason to vote for ANYONE but him (where's that ham sandwich been these days, anyway?).

Posted by: Beth at October 06, 2010 07:43 PM (5NfIh)

34 Zomg HALLADAY!

Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 06, 2010 07:44 PM (SB0V2)

35 22
Ah yes, Cary...."Corral Area for Relocated Yankees"

Dangy, It's "Containment Area for Relocated Yankees".

Also HQ for one of the biggest companies in NC, SAS, good NC State grad making a billion or two.

Wonder where the UNC guys start their billion dollar company's? In their minds I guess.

Posted by: Kemp at October 06, 2010 07:44 PM (AQxTm)

36 Where's Lacey with the Yankee hate, now?

Posted by: garrett at October 06, 2010 07:45 PM (n34SH)

37 Anderson "the Mole" Cooper is a lying homo-non-erectus libtard journo-fraud disgrace to the human race

and a bad person, too

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at October 06, 2010 07:45 PM (dPcmp)

38 I think going to meet bloggers was a very smart move. I like her cause she has a brain and uses it.

Posted by: curious at October 06, 2010 07:45 PM (p302b)

39 wait, which are you saying this is? The flat or the fair?

Posted by: ace at October 06, 2010 07:45 PM (t+Hrl)

40 #32

I just gave money, said it was secure. Check your server.

Posted by: Kemp at October 06, 2010 07:45 PM (AQxTm)

41 Posted by: dagny at October 06, 2010 07:39 PM (wrXPr)

Sure was. I used to stay in Cary when I went to Raleigh on business. I also had some friends living there to visit. The resuraunts there were good without all the hassel of downtown Raliegh and 1/2 the traffic.

After all the high tech shit and the "research triangle" shit kicked off it exploded, the property taxes went through the roof, and all those things that the northerners moved there to escape started being implemented.

The last time I went to Raleigh on business I didn't stay or go to Cary.

Posted by: Vic at October 06, 2010 07:46 PM (/jbAw)

42 Not that Bob "Who Are You" Etheridge isn't enough reason to vote for ANYONE but him (where's that ham sandwich been these days, anyway?).

Not to sound cheesey or anything, but did you rang?

Posted by: Ham on Wry at October 06, 2010 07:46 PM (8GYOu)

43
Hmm, hot nurse vs. drunk bonehead.

Tough one.

Regarding the Fair Tax, like Vic, me no like. Too complicated, misleading, and dangerous. It's packed with social engineering.

I hate all income taxes. They are anti-freedom. No government has the right to know your income or where it comes from.

Taxes should be paid when you buy a product or service.

That's it. Flat rate. No gimmicks.

Not enough revenue? Tough shit.

Posted by: eman at October 06, 2010 07:46 PM (qnKfg)

44 Posted by: Roy Halladay

Impressive.

Posted by: Waterhouse at October 06, 2010 07:46 PM (eMrqW)

45 wait, which are you saying this is? The flat or the fair?

If you go to the article referenced what she is talking about is the "fair tax". The old Neil Bortz thing.

Posted by: Vic at October 06, 2010 07:47 PM (/jbAw)

46 WTF? The Fair Tax is one when you buy shit. The Flat Tax is an income tax.

Posted by: Editor at October 06, 2010 07:48 PM (pUfK9)

47 44 Posted by: Roy HalladayImpressive.
That was a big fucking deal!

Posted by: Joe Biden Phillies Fan at October 06, 2010 07:48 PM (n34SH)

48 OT: Dear Cincinnati Reds;
You are young and have miniscule post season experience. Number one rule, you do not allow the opposing pitcher to throw a fucking no hitter. Hopefully, Pete Rose will kick the living shit out of you fuckers. GODDAMNIT!

Posted by: Samuel Adams at October 06, 2010 07:49 PM (Jx0x6)

49 Good for Halladay. In the playoffs no less. Wow.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at October 06, 2010 07:50 PM (ruu60)

50 Vic,

She's a nurse. Don't mean to be condescending, but my guess? Someone told her the Fair tax thing was cool.

She'll vote right. Forget the fair tax BS.

Give her money, Etheridge is a dickhead!

Did I mention, Etheridge is a FUCKING DICKHEAD??

Posted by: Kemp at October 06, 2010 07:50 PM (AQxTm)

51 O/T - The NRA relented on backing Dingy Harry, but they're backing 39 HOUSE DEMS. Time to rethink my membership.

Posted by: RushBabe at October 06, 2010 07:50 PM (a3Z62)

52 Ah I see, I was confused, because I knew this was the Fair Tax, and thought I wrote "Fair Tax," and didn't understand why people kept correcting me.

But i did brain fart and write "flat tax." Fixed now.

Posted by: ace at October 06, 2010 07:50 PM (t+Hrl)

53 By the way, Putin and the commies actually did a Flat Tax @ 13% back in 2003. Worked very nicely for that country. I mean, the commies did it.

Posted by: Editor at October 06, 2010 07:51 PM (pUfK9)

54 Yeah, well I heard "corral" in the '80s and I'm sticking with it. My parents moved into MacGregor Downs when there wasn't anything out there but Kmart and a trip into Apex. My brother worked at TUCC (?) in the 70s and babysat giant old mainframes.

Posted by: dagny at October 06, 2010 07:52 PM (wrXPr)

55 Flat tax, everybody pays. EVERYBODY!

Posted by: Samuel Adams at October 06, 2010 07:52 PM (Jx0x6)

56 Meh. If she's for the Fair Tax, then it's a wash, for me. It's an improvement on the current system, but nothing I can get excited about (I have no money). Still, Ham on Rye is better than Etheridge (hello, Ham).

Isn't ANYONE running for office for the flat tax these days? I think the fair tax is just a big meme pushed by conservative media (NTTAWWT, but I don't think it's all it's cracked up to be).

Posted by: Beth at October 06, 2010 07:52 PM (5NfIh)

57 And I prefer the Fair Tax to the Flat Tax.

Even Bush hinted at going down the Fair Tax route during the 2004 election. I think that actually got enough of us out to vote for him... never heard a word after that, but I guess it was because the shit he went through on SS.

Posted by: Editor at October 06, 2010 07:53 PM (pUfK9)

58 From the linked article:

But the ad implies that the tax would be added to the existing tax
burden. Instead, the "FairTax," as backers call it, would replace
federal personal and corporate income taxes.

And Kemp, yes, I will support her over any Dem, especially that asshole Ethridge but the Fair Tax is a POS and not a flat tax.

I'm sure if she spent 2 or 3 days studying it the way I did she would realize that it is crap under the current form it has been proposed. (and that is before the Dems start whacking at it)

Posted by: Vic at October 06, 2010 07:53 PM (/jbAw)

59 I mean, the commies did it.
How could everybody paying the same ammount possibly be fair, editor?
C'mon.

Posted by: garrett at October 06, 2010 07:54 PM (n34SH)

60 Flat tax, everybody pays. EVERYBODY!

Posted by: Samuel Adams at October 06, 2010 07:52 PM (Jx0x6)
Uh, not if you don't work.

Posted by: Editor at October 06, 2010 07:54 PM (pUfK9)

61 51
O/T - The NRA relented on backing Dingy Harry, but they're backing 39 HOUSE DEMS. Time to rethink my membership.

My guess, these are lock seats. They endorsed my opponent when I ran, and I am a life member. Why? She was a 6 term winner.

They are chicken shit.

Trust me, Wayne got a piece of my mine when I won.

Posted by: Kemp at October 06, 2010 07:54 PM (AQxTm)

62 What the hell kind of knife-fighting hillbilly-feud district are you in down there in North Carolina?
Well, you're not THAT far off, Harnett County is pretty rural but for real cut-em-up, shoot-em-up action, you have to visit us here on the Crystal Coast...
I find Blob Etheridge absolutely loathsome, gives the entire state of North Carolina a black eye just by opening his ignorant mouth. I don't live in her district, but I'm a HUGE fan of Renee.

Posted by: antisocialist at October 06, 2010 07:55 PM (Rwudm)

63 Good for Halladay. In the playoffs no less. Wow.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at October 06, 2010 07:50 PM (ruu60)
Amazing. Two no hitters - and one walk away from it being two perfect games - in one year

Posted by: Ombudsman at October 06, 2010 07:55 PM (c1oyg)

64 Taxes should be paid when you buy a product or service.

That's it. Flat rate. No gimmicks.

Not enough revenue? Tough shit.

Posted by: eman at October 06, 2010 07:46 PM

This^.

Posted by: huerfano at October 06, 2010 07:55 PM (No0N3)

65 Everybody who works pays taxes. However, low income people file a tax return and get back way more than they ever paid into. That shit needs to stop.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at October 06, 2010 07:55 PM (Jx0x6)

66 Repeal the 16th Amendment and implement the Fair Tax. Knock out the 17th while we're in there.

Posted by: mugiwara at October 06, 2010 07:55 PM (KI/Ch)

67 53
By the way, Putin and the commies actually did a Flat Tax @ 13% back in
2003. Worked very nicely for that country. I mean, the commies did it.

Rush had an article about the Russia's "Flat Taxksy" in a Limbaugh letter.

Part of the reason why Russia instituted the Flat Tax was that it was easier to pay the flat percentage instead of hiring people to finding loophole around it. I have next-to-nil economic knowledge, so I have no idea if a Flat Tax vs a National Sales tax would be better (or some yet-unheard of tax system), but the current tax scheme sucks monkey balls and needed to be replaced (or vastly simplified) yesterday.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at October 06, 2010 07:56 PM (c0A3e)

68 Vic,

I agree Fair tax is a piece of shit. She probably doesn't have a clue, BUT she has more of a clue that "Bobby".

Send her money!

Posted by: Kemp at October 06, 2010 07:56 PM (AQxTm)

69 Taxes should be paid when you buy a product or service. That's it. Flat rate. No gimmicks. Not enough revenue? Tough shit.
Posted by: eman at October 06, 2010 07:46 PM (qnKfg)

You are confused, aren't you. Both taxes were explained upthread. The flat tax is an income tax. The fair tax is a fixed tax on purchases.

Posted by: Soona at October 06, 2010 07:56 PM (uDqmh)

70 Uh, not if you don't work.

Posted by: Editor at October 06, 2010 07:54 PM (pUfK9)

I'm a flat tax kind of guy, but maybe a fair tax is the best way to go. I'm just afraid that with a fair tax, politicians will use that as a ruse to get votes.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at October 06, 2010 07:57 PM (Jx0x6)

71 57
And I prefer the Fair Tax to the Flat Tax.

Even Bush hinted at
going down the Fair Tax route during the 2004 election. I think that
actually got enough of us out to vote for him... never heard a word
after that, but I guess it was because the shit he went through on SS.

Posted by: Editor at October 06, 2010 07:53 PM (pUfK9)
--I'm open to persuasion on the fair tax, but you just fucking know the Dems will only play along if it gets slopped onto income taxes, just like the VAT.

Posted by: logprof at October 06, 2010 07:58 PM (BP6Z1)

72 Okay I was trying to post links but Pixy doesn't like long strings of text in new comments thingy.
For those who care, stuff about the flat tax since I started babbling about it - apologies to those who don't care, please carry on (LOL):

Heritage:
http://tinyurl.com/27q57oa

Forbes:
http://tinyurl.com/68ydbe

Freedom Works:
http://tinyurl.com/be6g9q

Cato:
http://tinyurl.com/276r4cn

Posted by: Beth at October 06, 2010 07:58 PM (5NfIh)

73 "Should We Tax the Rich to Bennefit the Poor!?!?"

Posted by: Roman Senator at October 06, 2010 07:59 PM (n34SH)

74 Wasn't Huckabee a big proponet of the Fair Tax.
So........that is either 1) a big mark against it in my book or 2) another classic example of blind squireel...nut.

Posted by: Mallamutt at October 06, 2010 08:00 PM (OWjjx)

75 Part of the reason why Russia instituted the Flat
Tax was that it was easier to pay the flat percentage instead of hiring
people to finding loophole around it.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at October 06, 2010 07:56 PM (c0A3e)
Yeah. The compliance and payment percentages went through the roof. That's the point Flat Tax proponents always make. That even though the rate goes down, revenue would go up from tall the tax evaders coming out of the woodwork.I buy that argument after the Russian experiment.

Posted by: Editor at October 06, 2010 08:00 PM (pUfK9)

76 You are confused, aren't you. Both taxes were explained upthread. The flat tax is an income tax. The fair tax is a fixed tax on purchases.

I should also add that both of these is so much better than the tax system we have now. But first and foremost, before any national tax is legislated, the Income Tax ammendment in the Constitution needs to be repealed.

Posted by: Soona at October 06, 2010 08:00 PM (uDqmh)

77 Taxing consumption is a slow death to the free market system. The more it's taxed the less you spend and the more they need to raise the tax to generate income lost due to lack of consumption...it's the same as we have now in net effect of the economy. The only thing that will truly free the market is a low single flat tax on income. Everyone pays regardless of income or corporate. status. I would love to hear such talk, even if its only a mumble, from a solid candidate.

Posted by: Moemo at October 06, 2010 08:02 PM (jYoCE)

78 #55 Flat tax, everybody pays. EVERYBODY!

Not if you don't have any income (or report any).

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at October 06, 2010 08:02 PM (c0A3e)

79 Yeah. The compliance and payment percentages went through the roof. That's the point Flat Tax proponents always make. That even though the rate goes down, revenue would go up from tall the tax evaders coming out of the woodwork.
Another cost saving in favor of the flat tax is the coin saved from paying accountants, attorneys etc. for preparing returns. And time saving. Today, per the IRS, the average individual tax return takes slightly over 4 hours.....if I remember the latest IRS bulletin correctly.

Posted by: Mallamutt at October 06, 2010 08:02 PM (OWjjx)

80 Bobby's district. Knife fights not uncommon. Mostly rural, here is the break down.
Ethnicity
61.8%White, 30.4%Black, 0.6%Asian, 7.9%Hispanic, 0.9%Native American, 0.3%other

Note 30% Black! That means Renne has to win 2/3 of white vote to win.

Welcome to gerrymandered NC! By the way the Speaker of the House who made this district just got out of Federal prison for bribery, guess his party?

Posted by: Kemp at October 06, 2010 08:02 PM (AQxTm)

81 --I'm open to persuasion on the
fair tax, but you just fucking know the Dems will only play along if it
gets slopped onto income taxes, just like the VAT.

Posted by: logprof at October 06, 2010 07:58 PM (BP6Z1)
If income tax is still part of the equation then it's not the Fair Tax. It would just simply be the VAT. And fuck that.

Posted by: Editor at October 06, 2010 08:03 PM (pUfK9)

82 I suck ass at math. How much money is 10%?

Posted by: ErikW at October 06, 2010 08:03 PM (GKsRG)

83 82
I suck ass at math. How much money is 10%?

Posted by: ErikW at October 06, 2010 08:03 PM (GKsRG)

You're Greek right? You know the joke.

Posted by: Kemp at October 06, 2010 08:04 PM (AQxTm)

84 Is she a tonsil stealer?

Posted by: robtr at October 06, 2010 08:04 PM (fwSHf)

85 Taxing
consumption is a slow death to the free market system. The more it's
taxed the less you spend and the more they need to raise the tax to
generate income lost due to lack of consumption...it's the same as we
have now in net effect of the economy. The only thing that will truly
free the market is a low single flat tax on income. Everyone pays
regardless of income or corporate. status. I would love to hear such
talk, even if its only a mumble, from a solid candidate.

Posted by: Moemo at October 06, 2010 08:02 PM (jYoCE)
Uh, well, the argument made by Fair Taxers is that the price of goods would necessarily go down (see what I did there?), because the restrictive taxes on businesses would be gone, thus losing the hidden taxes on goods, etc., etc.

Posted by: Editor at October 06, 2010 08:05 PM (pUfK9)

86 Wasn't Huckabee a big proponet of the Fair Tax.
So........that is either 1) a big mark against it in my book or 2) another classic example of blind squireel...nut.

Posted by: Mallamutt at October 06, 2010 08:00 PM (OWjjx)
I'm sure he would love it. As I said, it is a tax increase for everyone above about 30K and below 500K. That is from various test cases that I calculated out using how the law was written.My taxes would actually triple and if they included sales tax on drugs (not clear in the legislation) I would have to go back to work because I couldn't afford to remain retired. The taxes would be too high.
The other thing this stupid tax would do if implemented as written, would be to create a huge black market in "used goods".

Posted by: Vic at October 06, 2010 08:05 PM (/jbAw)

87 Etheridge ought to be nice to her -- he's going to need some serious wound care to his political career come Election Day.

Posted by: stuiec at October 06, 2010 08:06 PM (7AOgy)

88 Mallamut - yes, Huckabee was/is for the Fair Tax. I count that as a plus in his favor rather than a minus for the Fair Tax though, because the Fair Tax is definitely better than the bullshit we have now.

BTW, Flat Tax is not "everyone pays the same amount," it's "everyone pays the same percentage." Freedom Works used to have a tax calculator for it but the link is dead now; that alone made a quite convincing case. For those thinking this would screw the poor, it is not so. I am the poor. I don't want Fair Tax because the stuff I buy costs enough already, and it will end up like a VAT, which I experienced firsthand when I was stationed in Germany (US military is eligible for exemptions, but it was a major pain in the ass filling out forms just for everyday purchases). VAT sucks BIG TIME. I don't trust the gubmint to keep "Fair Tax" from becoming like the European VAT in a big hurry, all good intentions aside.

Posted by: Beth at October 06, 2010 08:06 PM (5NfIh)

89 If a flat tax is considered, I wouldn't support it until there was a maximum percentage that could be charged. Something like 15%.

Posted by: Soona at October 06, 2010 08:07 PM (uDqmh)

90 84
Is she a tonsil stealer?

Even worse, she takes entire limbs. Her specialty is wound care.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at October 06, 2010 08:08 PM (c0A3e)

91 >>> The more it's taxed the less you spend

^^^ THIS, says the token poor person.

Posted by: Beth at October 06, 2010 08:08 PM (5NfIh)

92 I count that as a plus in his favor rather than a minus for the Fair
Tax though, because the Fair Tax is definitely better than the bullshit
we have now.

The "fair tax" is NOT better than what we have now at all.

Posted by: Vic at October 06, 2010 08:09 PM (/jbAw)

93 So this thread turned into an argument over how rich white men can avoid paying their fair share of taxes. Color me unsurprised.

Posted by: beelzebub's burp at October 06, 2010 08:09 PM (7+pP9)

94 The other thing this stupid tax would do if implemented as written, would be to create a huge black market in "used goods".
Lot of down side to this. I admit, for someone in the tax business, I have not studied the Fair Tax that much. Again, I just remember Huckabee being a proponet of it. His ads "I will close down the IRS" which I laughed at every time I saw one. Really....hey, Mike, who is going to process those sales tax returns, gonna put everyone on the honor system. And the IRS collection process can be switched over to collect in Fair Tax receiots as well as income. In fact, it could be worse...if the IRS adopts the fiduciary rule associated with 941 returns to Fair Tax returns, a lot of negotiated resolutions are taken off the table.
On the upside....maybe ACCORN will get into the used goods market and we can get more Hannah............

Posted by: Mallamutt at October 06, 2010 08:10 PM (OWjjx)

95 Posted by: beelzebub's burp at October 06, 2010 08:09 PM (7+pP9)
Considering your cash receipts from the glory hole probably are not reported....what is your bitch. Oh, yea, I forgot....your a liberal. So what is yours is yours and what is mine and everyone elses is also yours.
Now go Fuck Yourself sideways with a double edged dildo, asswipe.

Posted by: Mallamutt at October 06, 2010 08:12 PM (OWjjx)

96 So this thread turned into an argument over how rich white men can avoid paying their fair share of taxes. Color me unsurprised.
Posted by: beelzebub's burp at October 06, 2010 08:09 PM (7+pP9)

Give it up. You're a poor excuse of a fucking troll.

Posted by: Soona at October 06, 2010 08:12 PM (uDqmh)

97 I'd call Anderson Cooper a "cocksucker", but as I recall, per the AoSHQ terms of engagement, we're not allowed to call actual suckers of cock, "cocksuckers". But then, Anderson Cooper hasn't formally acknowledged that he is a sucker of cock, so perhaps it's okay to call him a "cocksucker".

It's a gray area, right. Very confusing.

So, allow me to simply call him a fucknozzle.

Posted by: DelD at October 06, 2010 08:13 PM (oAZ1S)

98 I'd call Anderson Cooper a "cocksucker", but as I recall, per the AoSHQ terms of engagement, we're not allowed to call actual suckers of cock, "cocksuckers". But then, Anderson Cooper hasn't formally acknowledged that he is a sucker of cock, so perhaps it's okay to call him a "cocksucker".
I think we are supposed to go with the more politically correct term "sucker of cock"
Thus, Anderson Cooper is a cocksucker is bad.
Anderson Cooper is a sucker of cock is better
Anderson Cooper is a waste of sperm is best.

Posted by: Mallamutt at October 06, 2010 08:15 PM (OWjjx)

99 93
So this thread turned into an argument over how rich white men can avoid paying their fair share of taxes. Color me unsurprised.

Posted by: beelzebub's burp at October 06, 2010 08:09 PM (7+pP9)
Don't feed the troll!Everyone knows all the posters at AoSHQ are filthy fucking rich like Soros, only we have all the gold.You little people will bow before the morons!Oh, and suck the barbed cock of Satan!

Posted by: Kemp at October 06, 2010 08:15 PM (AQxTm)

100 The idea, of course, is to get rid of the IRS completely...
An absolute prerequisite for tax reform imo. The less bureaucracies in Fedzilla, the better.

Posted by: KG at October 06, 2010 08:15 PM (S8TF5)

101 Did you see the Mark Kirk ad on the page: The Problem is HIM.

Now which HIM did you think of? The ad is being run by Democrats.

Own goal.

Posted by: M. Simon at October 06, 2010 08:16 PM (dEbGY)

102 93
So this thread turned into an argument over how rich white men can avoid paying their fair share of taxes. Color me unsurprised.

Have you told your mom yet that "paying taxes is patriotic" and that she no longer has to falsely claim you as a child on her tax return?

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at October 06, 2010 08:17 PM (c0A3e)

103
Renee won't assault you.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at October 06, 2010 08:18 PM (0fzsA)

104 I urge everyone to go to the fair tax web site and download all the calcs and papers behind their stuff. Also go to the gov web site and down load the bill.

You can get the book from the library and read the FAQ in the back, skip the rest. But definitely don't buy it.

After that, if you have an electronic banking system use your last annual rollout of purchases indexed by category and tax those purchases by 31% (not 23).

If you are paying social security taxes you can add the 7.1% back + the 2.5% for medicare/aid. But don't add your employer's contribution because that is an unwarranted assumption by Boertz. Also don't assume that all the prices of your goods are going to go down because corporations are no longer paying taxes. In fact, don't assume a damn thing that is NOT actually written in the bill; and that includes the income tax going away because that isn't written in the bill.

Posted by: Vic at October 06, 2010 08:18 PM (/jbAw)

105

O/T

Janet Incompetano swapping spit with O'Reilly with lies and denials. Yep, I think she's a licker of taco's.

Posted by: Fish at October 06, 2010 08:18 PM (v1gw3)

106 Don't bother with the youtube comments on the video.....geez, like you would expect in any discussion with Conservative Women involved, the bile of the leftist scum rears it's ugly head.....

Posted by: crowsting at October 06, 2010 08:19 PM (znf/i)

107 King 5News reporting that our RINO, Dave Reichart has a 7 point lead over his Democrat challenger, another retired Microsoft Millionaire lady, but one who is supposedly smarter than the idiot, Darcy Burner (with the Dutch Boy haircut) who ran against him last time. The national Democrats are yanking farther ads for her saying "While we have every confidence in our candidate, things are changing and we need to adjust." Heh! I know he voted for cap and trade, but this is freaking Seattle, for crying out loud.

Posted by: Ham on Wry at October 06, 2010 08:19 PM (8GYOu)

108 93
So this thread turned into an argument over how rich white men can avoid paying their fair share of taxes. Color me unsurprised.

Posted by: beelzebub's burp at October 06, 2010 08:09 PM (7+pP9)You tell 'em, Burpy!

Posted by: Tim Geithner and Tom Daschle at October 06, 2010 08:19 PM (BP6Z1)

109 and excuse me but I have a knot in my asshole which makes taking a shit a real, well, pain in the ass.
Thanks erg, you told me you got the condom out.
Asshole.
call me

Posted by: beelzebub's burp! at October 06, 2010 08:19 PM (GKsRG)

110 hahaahaha. O' Reilly just pinned Janet Reno down on Meg Whitmans illegal alien asking her what the feds are going to do about it.

Posted by: robtr at October 06, 2010 08:19 PM (fwSHf)

111 Oh, Dave Reichart, Rep. for the 8th district.

Posted by: Ham on Wry at October 06, 2010 08:19 PM (8GYOu)

112
This is her statement on taxes. If this is what she is for, she's a hell of a lot better than freakin' Etheridge. No contest.
You're reading her so-called views on taxesfrom a freakin' newspaper. Frankly, I don't know if that paper is like mostpapers are , but I don't know if they're reporting what her actual views are, or if they are reporting what they think her views are.
From her website, and it's good enough for me.
The government�s answer to double digit jobless rates has been more spending and higher taxes. The result has been an expansion of the already bloated federal government with additional public sector jobs, at the expense of jobs in the private sector. We cannot spend our way out of recession. Only by cutting taxes will we create an environment where the free enterprise system is allowed to flourish. I am for lower tax rates across the board and am in favor of tax reform. We must cut taxes and cut spending NOW.

Posted by: Steph at October 06, 2010 08:19 PM (ZfkPl)

113
Cooper, you do know your a big libtard who supports the big soul-sucking Welfare State. Right? Right?

You do know, right?

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at October 06, 2010 08:21 PM (0fzsA)

114
you're*

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at October 06, 2010 08:22 PM (0fzsA)

115 97
I'd call Anderson Cooper a "cocksucker", but as I recall, per the AoSHQ
terms of engagement, we're not allowed to call actual suckers of cock,
"cocksuckers". But then, Anderson Cooper hasn't formally acknowledged
that he is a sucker of cock, so perhaps it's okay to call him a
"cocksucker".

It's a gray area, right. Very confusing.

So, allow me to simply call him a fucknozzle.

Posted by: DelD at October 06, 2010 08:13 PM (oAZ1S)
Well bless you for a fuckin' fibber.Cooper's a cocksucker.

Posted by: Al Swearingen at October 06, 2010 08:22 PM (BP6Z1)

116 Everyone knows all the posters at AoSHQ are filthy fucking rich like Soros, only we have all the gold.
You little people will bow before the morons!
Oh, and suck the barbed cock of Satan!

Posted by: Kemp at October 06, 2010 08:15 PM (AQxTm)
We even have some jew gold.

Posted by: robtr at October 06, 2010 08:22 PM (fwSHf)

117
Janet Incompetano and Elena Kagan are engaged to be married. (Secretly in the West Wing)

Posted by: Joe Biden, Vice-President and Asshole at October 06, 2010 08:22 PM (v1gw3)

118 OT
Man, I fukkin' love me some Lanz Bulldog tractors. 500-600 cubic inch displacement single cylinder two stroke. 350 rpm redline. Yougottabeshittinme. None I know of in the U.S. shit. Semi-diesel. Runs on used motor oil or most anything that will burn. Awesome.

Posted by: maddogg at October 06, 2010 08:22 PM (KGaxE)

119 They are running almost the exact same add against Buck, not noting however, that the sales tax would REPLACE and eliminate a federal income tax. Now I am not for the "fair tax" because it causes other problems and gets really complicated in parts, but these ads are complete utter bullshit and misrepresentations.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at October 06, 2010 08:23 PM (ruu60)

120
Democrats always have to lie to try and score a point. Cheaters that they are....

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at October 06, 2010 08:23 PM (0fzsA)

121 James Carville's polling firm has released a poll that show running hard against Governor Palin will fail. Take a look at questions 44 and 53.

By a margin of 50-43, voters believe the statement that "I'm more worried that the Democratic candidates are supporting President Obama's partisan and extreme agenda" is closer to their own view than the hilarious statement "I'm more worried that the Republican candidates are supporting Sarah Palin's partisan and extreme agenda."

Carville also finds by a margin of 57-41 that voters have no serious doubts about a Republican candidate that "is a strong supporter of Sarah Palin's agenda for Washington, and with the support of President Bush's top operatives, is doing everything possible to obstruct President Obama's efforts and tie Congress up in knots."

Carville couldn't even get voters to bite with his incredibly leading questions.

Posted by: Dan at October 06, 2010 08:23 PM (1jzSs)

122 Wound care folks are awesome!

The two who helped me through my wound and ostomy surgeries during the spring and summer this year did an outstanding job.

Posted by: catmman at October 06, 2010 08:23 PM (DTzwU)

123 They are running almost the exact same add against Buck, not noting
however, that the sales tax would REPLACE and eliminate a federal income
tax.

All the fair tax backers keep saying it would REPLACE the income tax, but NOTHING in the bill prevents it from being enacted without getting rid of the income tax first and nothing in the bill calls for repeal of the 16th amendment.

They keep saying that, but there is nothing to back it up.

Posted by: Vic at October 06, 2010 08:25 PM (/jbAw)

124 Any time "FAIR" is used in the title better beware. Maybe put a cup on, cause those parts really hurt when they're kicked.

Posted by: PoconoJoe at October 06, 2010 08:27 PM (/4QPP)

125 Calling A/C a cocksucker is an insult to the two cocksuckers coming to my election night party who are working to get Fiorina and Whitman elected out of a seething hatred for Obama.

I think shit-gobbling 2andersons 1 cooper works better.

Posted by: CAC at October 06, 2010 08:27 PM (lV4Fs)

126 Time for me to shutdown for the night. Good night all and have a pleasant tomorrow.

Posted by: Vic at October 06, 2010 08:28 PM (/jbAw)

127 Ditch the tenth and the sixteenth.

Posted by: Beto at October 06, 2010 08:29 PM (H+LJc)

128 What the fuck is wrong with America? I can answer that question in 4 words . . .

Kagen came in sixth

UNDATED -- Jennifer Aniston has been named the most eligible woman in the world. The
41-year-old actress was tops in a recent 60 Minutes/Vanity Fair poll.
The former Friends star took home 29 percent of the overall vote. Newly single ladies Halle Berry and Elin Nordegren came in second and third, respectively.
Then, the poll got a little interesting. Betty White pulled in 11 percent of the vote to finish fourth.
Lady Gaga and Elena Kagan rounded out the list with 5 and 4 percent, respectively. ....
I bet even her 'little man in the boat' is getting sick and tired of the dead fish head smell

Posted by: momma at October 06, 2010 08:29 PM (penCf)

129 Vic,

Take a nap! You need to stay up for the crazy!

Posted by: Kemp at October 06, 2010 08:30 PM (AQxTm)

130 Note 30% Black! That means Renne has to win 2/3 of white vote to win.

Unless a lot of them don't heed Meee'chelle's advice to get out vote.

Posted by: Lady in Black at October 06, 2010 08:31 PM (M6enm)

131 The guy would rather suck a cock than eat a steak.

Posted by: Pecos Bill at October 06, 2010 08:31 PM (j84s0)

132 I didn't even realize a bill had been written. There are definite issues with a fair tax/national sales tax but a few conservative candidates supporting it based on whatever quick overview they have read does not worry me one bit.

OTOH every DEM who voted for the healthcare destruction bill claiming they are FOR jobs pisses me off no end.

Posted by: PaleRider at October 06, 2010 08:32 PM (dkExz)

133 125
Calling A/C a cocksucker is an insult to the two cocksuckers coming to
my election night party who are working to get Fiorina and Whitman
elected out of a seething hatred for Obama.

I think shit-gobbling 2andersons 1 cooper works better.

Posted by: CAC at October 06, 2010 08:27 PM (lV4Fs)
Bonesmuggler!Turd burglar!

Posted by: Beavis and Butt-Head at October 06, 2010 08:32 PM (BP6Z1)

134 Why the hell are you calling Cooper a cocksucker? As a damn good cocksucker I take offense!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: momma at October 06, 2010 08:32 PM (penCf)

135 I read that Moosechelle is going up to CT to campaign for Blumenthal.

Posted by: PoconoJoe at October 06, 2010 08:32 PM (/4QPP)

136 Runs on used motor oil or most anything that will burn.
Uh huh. And it's probably a perpetual motion machine too?

Posted by: ErikW at October 06, 2010 08:35 PM (GKsRG)

137 Posted by: momma at October 06, 2010 08:29 PM (penCf)

--I don't see why Betty White is "interesting": she's a babe for her age, and an increasingly large share of Americans are her age.

Kagan, though . . . wow . . . and I thought the fellating done on Michelle 0bama was over the top.

Posted by: logprof at October 06, 2010 08:35 PM (BP6Z1)

138 but NOTHING in the bill prevents it from being enacted without getting rid of the income tax first and nothing in the bill calls for repeal of the 16th amendment.

could you explain/repeat this please?

Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at October 06, 2010 08:37 PM (LDYfr)

139 Does our Dear Leader have a mouthful of chew/dip?

Posted by: momma at October 06, 2010 08:37 PM (penCf)

140 Why the hell are you calling Cooper a cocksucker? As a damn good cocksucker I take offense!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: momma at October 06, 2010 08:32 PM (penCf)
"Cocksucker" was the word that got Lenny Bruce arrested in San Francisco. As Lenny would have pointed out, actual suckers of cock are wonderful people who selflessly give pleasure to others. Why it's not considered a compliment instead of a dire insult, I have no idea. (Well, actually, I do, but you know...)

Posted by: stuiec at October 06, 2010 08:37 PM (7AOgy)

141 9
Sarah Palin endorsed her sometime ago. I demand internal e-mails in order to create another Sarah 2012 Proxy War.

Posted by: Brian72 at October 06, 2010 07:31 PM (GNBk5)

I demand pics of Palin and Ellmers making out....Bunk.

Posted by: fozzy at October 06, 2010 08:39 PM (lPLCj)

142 The coolest radio flyer red wagon ever!

Seriously, well worth the click!

Posted by: momma at October 06, 2010 08:41 PM (penCf)

143 Dennis Miller doesn't care for Dingy Harry.

Posted by: PoconoJoe at October 06, 2010 08:41 PM (/4QPP)

144 OY:

Michelle Obama named the most powerful woman in the world

Posted by: momma at October 06, 2010 08:43 PM (penCf)

145 Man, I fukkin' love me some Lanz Bulldog tractors. 500-600 cubic inch displacement single cylinder two stroke. 350 rpm redline. Yougottabeshittinme. None I know of in the U.S. shit. Semi-diesel. Runs on used motor oil or most anything that will burn. Awesome.

I'm thinking...low end torque.

Posted by: fluffy, tosser of monkey wrenches at October 06, 2010 08:45 PM (SwkdU)

146 So this thread turned into an argument over how rich white men can avoid paying their fair share of taxes. Color me unsurprised.
Posted by: beelzebub's burp at October 06, 2010 08:09 PM (7+pP9)
I'm curious: what is the fair share that rich white men should pay? Is it different from rich white women's fair share, or rich Black people's of either gender?
And how does a fair share from a rich person differ from a fair share from a non-rich person? What notion of fairness says that the rich person should pay a higher share -- that is, a higher marginal rate -- than someone who makes less?
If everybody paid the same share -- ten percent, say -- then if person A earned ten times as much as person B, person A would pay ten times as much in taxes as person B. Isn't that quintessentially fair?
A troll pipes in to advocate that rich white men should have their property expropriated and given to the "deserving classes." Color me bored.

Posted by: stuiec at October 06, 2010 08:45 PM (7AOgy)

147 Does our Dear Leader have a mouthful of chew/dip?
Posted by: momma at October 06, 2010 08:37 PM (penCf)
The biggest question is why is Moochelle wearing red to a MOH recipient ceremony? I know you can't buy class, but she just proves that you can't teach it either.

Posted by: Steph at October 06, 2010 08:45 PM (ZfkPl)

148 Michelle Obama named the most powerful woman in the world
Posted by: momma at October 06, 2010 08:43 PM (penCf)
Yes, she's very powerful, but odor isn't everything.

Posted by: stuiec at October 06, 2010 08:46 PM (7AOgy)

149 Does our Dear Leader have a mouthful of chew/dip?
Posted by: momma at October 06, 2010 08:37 PM (penCf)
He's got a permaclench going until he gets to his Tele-Prom-Ter. He's also probably mentally repeating, "Core-man, not corpse-man, core-man, not corpse-man...."

Posted by: stuiec at October 06, 2010 08:47 PM (7AOgy)

150 144
OY:

Michelle Obama named the most powerful woman in the world

Posted by: momma at October 06, 2010 08:43 PM (penCf)
Of course --have you seen those biceps?Bunk.

Posted by: MFM Drone at October 06, 2010 08:49 PM (BP6Z1)

151 You, Mr. Ace, with your blog are doing a great service to this country with your blog. Keep up the great work.
If I wasn't to the gills in Val-U-Rite... and naked as it turns out, I'd stand and salute you.
I hope you understand.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at October 06, 2010 08:50 PM (r1h5M)

152 Michelle Obama named the most powerful scrunt in the world

FIFY.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at October 06, 2010 08:51 PM (Jx0x6)

153 Ace - when talking about candidates - could you also put what district/state they are from?

Posted by: 18-1 at October 06, 2010 08:51 PM (bgcml)

154 148 Michelle Obama named the most powerful woman in the world
Posted by: momma at October 06, 2010 08:43 PM (penCf)
Must be the glutes. Sully will be pissed.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at October 06, 2010 08:51 PM (r1h5M)

155 Posted by: maddogg at October 06, 2010 08:22 PM (KGaxE)
Deere bought Lanz. Made Deere-Lanz for awhile. I don't know about the current status. Probably dropped the Lanz name.

Posted by: Ronster at October 06, 2010 08:52 PM (9q4PA)

156 Dying to know what the polls are for Philip Hare. I didn't really give a shit until I met a staffer. He was highly offended by the number of children that Hare's opponent has and loved loved loved the health care bill. I guess today it's out that Hare said that the deficit is a myth.

Posted by: dagny at October 06, 2010 08:54 PM (wrXPr)

157 Since when did anyone give a shit about Forbes?

Posted by: ErikW at October 06, 2010 08:54 PM (GKsRG)

158 Why am I looking at anti-Tea ads here.... Was this covered already?

Posted by: USS Diversity at October 06, 2010 08:54 PM (u3Zi5)

159 Divide and Conquer. The current system is the main vehicle to control our lives. Would anybody say that the Fair Tax or the Flat Tax or even a singular VAT wouldn't be better than what we have now? We need to think of this in stages like the libs have done with their program to regulate and take over so many aspects of our lives in which they have no business (like Obamacare). Let's call this REAL Tax Reform:
Step 1. Put a stake through the heart of the current system with a repeal of the 16th - End Income tax as a part of all competing agendas
Step 2. Put the competing systems up for a vote: Flat, Fair,VAT, Current System, Other
Step 3. Have a run off between the top two and go with the winner. The second best can't complain because they've had two bites at the apple and there will be an acceptance of the winning system after the run off.
I have my preference but I don't think anyone could come up with a worse system for taxation than we have now. It's politician's dream and a citizen's nightmare. If any one of us were audited they'd have cause to take us to tax court because the complexity and contraditions of the tax code.

Posted by: minuteman at October 06, 2010 08:54 PM (GUQlk)

160 Ace, everytime you say BlogCon, I blush.

Posted by: journolist at October 06, 2010 08:54 PM (O/NP5)

161
Michelle Obama named the most powerful woman in the world

Posted by: momma at October 06, 2010 08:43 PM (penCf)So...the wife of the president, who holds no political power, and isn't even a co-president a la Hillary, is the most powerful woman in the world? What the HELL is wrong with the media?!?This is arguably worse then when they put her on every magazine cover as the most beautiful woman in America...

Posted by: 18-1 at October 06, 2010 08:55 PM (bgcml)

162 151
You, Mr. Ace, with your blog are doing a great service to this country with your blog. Keep up the great work.
The fuck you say!

Posted by: The Hobo Union united #117 at October 06, 2010 08:55 PM (AQxTm)

163 Oh, joy. Guess I'll have to get up early, put on my Excellence in Broadcasting t-shirt and mosey over to the Farmer's Market to pick up some produce and take a couple of pictures:
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Posted by: stuiec at October 06, 2010 08:56 PM (7AOgy)

164 Who sent you, Ace?

WHO SENT YOU?

Posted by: Bob Etheridge at October 06, 2010 08:57 PM (MMC8r)

165 Ace - when talking about candidates - could you also put what district/state they are from?
Posted by: 18-1 at October 06, 2010 08:51 PM (bgcml)
I find that Bing or Yahoo! or Google are all really helpful when I need that information. Maybe that's just me.

Posted by: stuiec at October 06, 2010 08:58 PM (7AOgy)

166 Michelle Obama named the most powerful woman in the world

Posted by: momma at October 06, 2010 08:43 PM (penCf)Sheesh.

Posted by: Angela Merkel, head of the fourth largest economy in the world at October 06, 2010 08:59 PM (MMC8r)

167 In the vein of compromise, Jackass and Obama have been contracted to J'Obama.

Posted by: journolist at October 06, 2010 09:01 PM (O/NP5)

168 This is arguably worse then when they put her on every magazine cover as the most beautiful woman in America...
Posted by: 18-1 at October 06, 2010 08:55 PM (bgcml)
Michelle is two millimeters away fom being cross-eyed and her Unibrow is in danger of eating itself.
Her thunder thighs are building up enough usable spy static to de-activate the Irainian Missile Program.

Posted by: ErikW at October 06, 2010 09:02 PM (GKsRG)

169 I find that Bing or Yahoo! or Google are all really helpful when I need that information. Maybe that's just me.

Posted by: stuiec at October 06, 2010 08:58 PM (7AOgy)
Her own site doesn't actually say what district she is in...

Posted by: 18-1 at October 06, 2010 09:03 PM (bgcml)

170 86
Wasn't Huckabee a big proponet of the Fair Tax.
So........that is either 1) a big mark against it in my book or 2) another classic example of blind squireel...nut.
Posted by: Mallamutt at October 06, 2010 08:00 PM (OWjjx)
When it comes to my positions Huckabee is a null set. I'm sure he was for oragainst a lot of things that I am, but I pay as much attention to him as I dothe eighth fence post on the right when you head down County Road 14 in Lincoln County Nebraska.

Posted by: minuteman at October 06, 2010 09:07 PM (GUQlk)

171 Real Clear Politics has a handy dandy site which allows you to pull down house, or senate, or generic etc. Then once you're in the site you can pull up districts to check polling status, see who is running, click on bios etc. Use it all the time. I discovered it in 2000.

Posted by: dagny at October 06, 2010 09:07 PM (wrXPr)

172 Her own site doesn't actually say what district she is in...
Posted by: 18-1 at October 06, 2010 09:03 PM (bgcml)
It does if you click on Meet Renee and scroll to the end of her bio. (I assume you already dropped a couple of bucks on her Contribute page.)

Posted by: stuiec at October 06, 2010 09:10 PM (7AOgy)

173 michelle obama most powerful woman of the world? what a load of shit.

btw: ace, don't get wasted. please. sober one year. do politics. i throw in those screw balls from left field. you've done... you've done super. don't drink. fuck'em. fuck gomm. all those resolutions realized thru private alchohol time (if you've actually been doing that) is really important to do, but you don't have to or anything. take it from me. get on with it, & don't worry. none of my business, but i'm intruding on your work & making & you've done awesome good. keep on your own star. no prob. otherwise. i'm feelin' bad for an alkie imagined bad influence on you. none of ,my biz. p[lease. get on with your life. you're terrif. be straight whatsoever. please.

Posted by: gomm at October 06, 2010 09:11 PM (EA+Co)

174 This site has been on fire lately. Like really mind-blowingly awesome with all the content. I'm glad I stuck with it through the lean times.

Posted by: the peanut gallery at October 06, 2010 09:13 PM (NurK6)

175 We will be interviewing a Republican candidate for the House of Representatives for a college paper soon. The candidate is in a major city in Texas and is running against a long time Democratic incumbent. I'm looking for ideas for additional good questions to ask and thought the morons might contribute.

Any ideas?

Posted by: moose at October 06, 2010 09:13 PM (vQHTV)

176 I pay as much attention to him as I dothe eighth fence post on the right when you head down County Road 14 in Lincoln County Nebraska.
Posted by: minuteman at October 06, 2010 09:07 PM (GUQlk)
< Google plat maps has that next to Earl's farm.

Posted by: journolist at October 06, 2010 09:13 PM (O/NP5)

177 ace: gomm & everyone else & you, too, commandeth: no alchohol. you don't need to. don't worry about nuffin niowhere nohow.

Posted by: gomm at October 06, 2010 09:13 PM (7JES6)

178 jesus gomm, you in california?

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179 174
This site has been on fire lately. Like really mind-blowingly awesome
with all the content. I'm glad I stuck with it through the lean times.

Posted by: the peanut gallery at October 06, 2010 09:13 PM (NurK6)
--Today was a video goldmine. The 2010 ad should be bumped again later.

Posted by: logprof at October 06, 2010 09:16 PM (BP6Z1)

180 Jared Allen on PTI today. The recipes he's describing from his cookbook (all from wild game) are making my mouth water. Damn, I miss him playing for the Chiefs.

Posted by: logprof at October 06, 2010 09:17 PM (BP6Z1)

181 ace: as you've figured, good is already. no prob. be strong. be good. help as you have & much good. no prob. prodper, baby. assert. no prob.

Posted by: gomm at October 06, 2010 09:18 PM (73jUp)

182 That would be a college newspaper - just to clarify. We are doing interview which we will then disseminate to the college newspaper, radio, and tv station.

Posted by: moose at October 06, 2010 09:18 PM (vQHTV)

183 [alkie guilt]

Posted by: gomm at October 06, 2010 09:18 PM (73jUp)

184
174 This site has been on fire lately. Like really mind-blowingly awesome with all the content. I'm glad I stuck with it through the lean times.
Posted by: the peanut gallery at October 06, 2010 09:13 PM (NurK6)
< Class, the above is the correct useage of the literary device known as the,'back handed compliment.'

Posted by: journolist at October 06, 2010 09:18 PM (O/NP5)

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From Lonelyconservative blog
You won't be looking for a pudding cup, but great pro-conservative video.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at October 06, 2010 09:20 PM (r1h5M)

186 i throw in this alc crap & hear ace or anyone else has drunk i'm horrified. it's junk.

Posted by: gomm at October 06, 2010 09:20 PM (7JES6)

187 I clearly don't speak gommish.

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at October 06, 2010 09:22 PM (wd0Iq)

188 Class, the above is the correct useage of the literary device known as the,'back handed compliment.'
Posted by: journolist at October 06, 2010 09:18 PM
For a fat girl, you sure don't sweat much.

Posted by: rdbrewer at October 06, 2010 09:22 PM (Q9YKL)

189 Dammit, it's Indiana University not University of Indiana. One of my pet peeves.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 06, 2010 09:23 PM (ZLQYF)

190 {alkie guilt & false sense of responsibility.}

really, all of you: just say no. stay sober.

Posted by: gomm at October 06, 2010 09:23 PM (7JES6)

191 Raykon is descending into stupidity impressive even for him.

Today has been great indeed.

Posted by: logprof at October 06, 2010 09:24 PM (BP6Z1)

192 UI super museum, too. pei. & the right values. the people of indiana put it i their constitution about education. you know. those farmers. those whites.

Posted by: gomm at October 06, 2010 09:26 PM (7JES6)

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Posted by: Hoss Fuentes at October 06, 2010 09:27 PM (hPU8C)

194 All the fair tax backers keep saying it would REPLACE the income tax,
but NOTHING in the bill prevents it from being enacted without getting
rid of the income tax first and nothing in the bill calls for repeal of
the 16th amendment.

They keep saying that, but there is nothing to back it up.
Posted by: Vic at October 06, 2010 08:25 PM (/jbAw)
Sorry for the mass-quotage, but I can't let this go unchallenged.

These sections are directly from the current bill:

18 (f) FINDINGS RELATING TO REPEAL OF PRESENT

19 FEDERAL TAX SYSTEM.�Congress further finds that the

20 16th amendment to the United States Constitution should

21 be repealed.

[...]

4 SEC. 101. INCOME TAXES REPEALED.

5 Subtitle A of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (re

6 lating to income taxes and self-employment taxes) is re

7 pealed.

8 SEC. 102. PAYROLL TAXES REPEALED.

9 (a) IN GENERAL.�Subtitle C of the Internal Rev

10 enue Code of 1986 (relating to payroll taxes and with

11 holding of income taxes) is repealed.

[...]

8 TITLE IV�SUNSET OF SALES

9 TAX IF SIXTEENTH AMEND

10 MENT NOT REPEALED

11 SEC. 401. ELIMINATION OF SALES TAX IF SIXTEENTH

12 AMENDMENT NOT REPEALED.

13 If the Sixteenth Amendment to the Constitution of

14 the United States is not repealed before the end of the

15 7-year period beginning on the date of the enactment of

16 this Act, then all provisions of, and amendments made by,

17 this Act shall not apply to any use or consumption in any

18 year beginning after December 31 of the calendar year

19 in which or with which such period ends, except that the

20 Sales Tax Bureau of the Department of the Treasury shall

21 not be terminated until 6 months after such December 31.

So, the bill calls for the repealing of the 16th amendment (which can't
actually be performed by this bill as it's not a Constitutional amendment), crushes the currently implemented income tax code, and sunsets
if the 16th amendment isn't repealed within 7 years... which directly contradicts your entire statement.

Posted by: Herr Bl�cher at October 06, 2010 09:27 PM (x/qeh)

195 i. am. absolutely. gone.

Posted by: gomm at October 06, 2010 09:27 PM (7JES6)

196
Michelle Obama named the most powerful woman in the world

Oprah was 3rd and Beyonce was 9th. Moochelle's got to be feeling good about beating out her rivals.

Posted by: Ham on Wry at October 06, 2010 09:27 PM (8GYOu)

197 Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at October 06, 2010 09:20 PM (r1h5M)

Now that was great video ad.

Posted by: lowandslow at October 06, 2010 09:28 PM (GZitp)

198 O/T

Rubio is spanking Crist's ass on CSPAN.

Posted by: JC at October 06, 2010 09:28 PM (7vu0Z)

199 How the hell is Beyonce "powerful"? She's a singer. What power does she have?

What a stupid list.

Posted by: AngelEm at October 06, 2010 09:29 PM (PuaGA)

200 198
O/T

Rubio is spanking Crist's ass on CSPAN.

Posted by: JC at October 06, 2010 09:28 PM (7vu0Z)
Sweet

Posted by: Barney Frank at October 06, 2010 09:29 PM (BP6Z1)

201 gomm just got acceptedinto the local AA 12 step plan, so is now celebrating.

Posted by: Ronster at October 06, 2010 09:29 PM (9q4PA)

202 "191
Raykon is descending into stupidity impressive even for him.

Today has been great indeed.

Posted by: logprof at October 06, 2010 09:24 PM (BP6Z1)"
Hugh,
I was on another thread and just dropped in on this one and you all are nuts.

Posted by: George W Bush at October 06, 2010 09:30 PM (i0Jm/)

203 Here'sgomm earlier tonight.

Posted by: rdbrewer at October 06, 2010 09:30 PM (Q9YKL)

204 Logg sucker, why do I think you are a bafoon? I remember now, never mind.

Posted by: George W Bush at October 06, 2010 09:32 PM (i0Jm/)

205 Posted by: Hoss Fuentes at October 06, 2010 09:27 PM (hPU8C)

Sweet little Cindel. I don't ever wanna see that again.

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at October 06, 2010 09:33 PM (wd0Iq)

206 Also, that gobbler of barbed Satan cock Alan Grayson pulled the same shit against Ric Keller in 2008. One of his commercials consisted of nothing but, "Ric Keller wants to raise taxes on EVERYTHING!!!11" followed by various people on the street reading lists of miscellaneous products into the camera.

Posted by: Herr Bl�cher at October 06, 2010 09:33 PM (x/qeh)

207 Speaking of great ads, Allen West has a short but goodie. Essentially:

Allen West to Obama: I�ll debate you, my opponent, and your whole families

(It's up on Hotair--please don't throw your shoes at me)

Posted by: runningrn at October 06, 2010 09:35 PM (8GYOu)

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Posted by: George W Bush at October 06, 2010 09:36 PM (i0Jm/)

209 Either George W Bush is not being very statesmanlike, or Raykon is slipping out of character.

Posted by: logprof at October 06, 2010 09:36 PM (BP6Z1)

210 This must be a coordinated attack because Gabby Giffords is using the exact same smear against her conservative opponent in AZ-8. I'll bet there are a few more of these ads and accusations from various Dems across the country.

Posted by: Deckard at October 06, 2010 09:36 PM (JC+x3)

211 raykon off his meds again?

Posted by: Unclefacts, AoSHQ Pro Debate Team at October 06, 2010 09:37 PM (eCAn3)

212
Speaking of great ads, Allen West has a short but goodie.

That's what she said.

Posted by: Michael Scott at October 06, 2010 09:37 PM (BP6Z1)

213 So "Anderson Cooper 360" is really gay code for circle jerk?

Posted by: David2.0 at October 06, 2010 09:42 PM (edg8q)

214 Cons, what about your God?

Why do you love Him so much, and listen to Him so little?

Posted by: George W Bush at October 06, 2010 09:44 PM (i0Jm/)

215 I kinda like the Set Sean Hannity is using this week ( i know its Don Imus'). Looks very sleek and modern.

Posted by: Serious Cat at October 06, 2010 09:50 PM (bAySe)

216 You are confused, aren't you. Both taxes were explained upthread. The flat tax is an income tax. The fair tax is a fixed tax on purchases.

Posted by: Soona

I am in no way confused. I know what both tax plans are.

I stated what I prefer.

Perhaps you should reread what is there.

Posted by: eman at October 06, 2010 09:51 PM (qnKfg)

217 I just heard, Gold is at 2350.00 per ounce. Your God is shining.

Posted by: George W Bush at October 06, 2010 09:51 PM (i0Jm/)

218 Regarding the flat vs. fair tax, I really have no quarrel with either but if I were to implement one I would probably go with the flat tax because it's easier to explain. Plus, one of the claimed benefits to the fair tax is removing the hidden taxes that are built into the price of consumer goods. It seems to me that you could accomplish the same feat by abolishing the corporate income tax and payroll taxes (SS Medicare/Medicaid) altogether. Just set it up as follows:

1. One flat personal income tax rate, everyone pays, rate maxed at somewhere around 10% to 12.5%. No deductions for anything. No separate SS and Medicare/Medicaid taxes, everything is rolled into the same payment.
2. Peg the capital gains tax rate to the income tax rate so that everyone is still paying the same rate.
3. Maintain tax-deferred retirement accounts and increase tax-exempt medical accounts. This would allow the individual to invest for retirement and pay medical coverage, care, and prescriptions with tax-free dollars.
4. End the quarterly projected payments for self-employed. You pay your taxes after you make your money.
5. And while I'm at it, move tax day to the last Friday in September. It puts Tax Day very close to Election Day, which I'm certain is the main reason why Tax Day is currently in April.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 06, 2010 09:52 PM (ZLQYF)

219 214
Cons, what about your God?

Why do you love Him so much, and listen to Him so little?

Posted by: George W Bush at October 06, 2010 09:44 PM (i0Jm/)

"A fool's lips enter into contention, and his mouth calls for strokes."

Posted by: Proverbs 18:6 at October 06, 2010 09:52 PM (BP6Z1)

220 199 How the hell is Beyonce "powerful"? She's a singer. What power does she have?

What a stupid list.

Posted by: AngelEm at October 06, 2010 09:29 PM (PuaGA)
-----------------------------

Obama let her and Jay-Z into the Situation Room in the White House.

You haven't been in the Situation Room.......have you?

Posted by: David2.0 at October 06, 2010 10:03 PM (edg8q)

221
I think Ace meant "strangler" not "stranger" in the headline. None of you morons caught it either.

Posted by: Valiant at October 06, 2010 10:05 PM (UKSRV)

222 Welcome to gerrymandered NC! By the way the Speaker
of the House who made this district just got out of Federal prison for
bribery, guess his party?

Posted by: Kemp at October 06, 2010 08:02 PM (AQxTm)
Damn, is Jim Black out of prison already? How time flies...seems like only yesterday that piece of shit was making deals in the men's room...

Posted by: antisocialist at October 06, 2010 10:23 PM (Rwudm)

223 valiant-- I just caught it!

Posted by: ace at October 06, 2010 10:44 PM (t+Hrl)

224
Anderson Cooper loves gargling Democrat balls.

Or pretty much any balls...

Posted by: thebronze at October 06, 2010 11:22 PM (ffb1k)

225 Didn't her husband read her bio? There is no such thing as "University of Indiana School of Medicine." It's Indiana University.

Posted by: Anwyn at October 06, 2010 11:32 PM (dzxw9)

226 Uh, well, the argument made by Fair Taxers is that the price of goods would necessarily go down (see what I did there?), because the restrictive taxes on businesses would be gone, thus losing the hidden taxes on goods, etc., etc.
Posted by: Editor at October 06, 2010 08:05 PM (pUfK9)
Price of goods would be irrelivent, it's the funtion of the tax that counts. If a apple is 1dollar but the tax is .25 cents then the 1dollar means nothing. People who could afford the apple for 1dollar but not at $1.25 would not buy the apple, therefor the .25 cent tax would not flow to the Government. Thus the need to recoup that .25 cents would become very important to the Government so they would have to again impose a progressive system to recoup their losses. Its the same shit as what we currently have.
furthermore; such a tax has built in sound bites for politicians to use to justify a progressive system. Things like the tax on a Chevy is less then the tax on a Rolls, therefore if a rich person buys a Chevy instead of a Rolls they are screwing over the little guy because the little guy can only afford a Chevy. And people wuld buy it and vote for the guy who is gunna stick it to Richie. And before you know it, Richie includes the guy who can afford a 52in plasma but decideds he only wants a 32in plasma. That leads to crazy folks talking about demanding you buy items that reflect your income level so that you are not screwing over the poor fella. You see a consumtion tax doesn't tax savings, therefore anyone with money could avoid the big taxes by changing their spending habits thus greating a gap in tax income that would need to be addressed and you start the whole cycle over again.
I know, scoff if you like, but crazier shit is going on today.
The nastiest 4 letter word that starts with an "F" is "Fair".
Nope, you need to carve any tax in stone, make it easy to lower and hard as hell to increase. Something along the lines of a 15% flat tax that requires 2/3 vote to raise but only a simple majority to lower. Now we're talking, THAT would turn this country into an economic superpower, again,over night.

Posted by: Moemo at October 06, 2010 11:45 PM (jYoCE)

227 Wound care?!, I said. That's kind of a graphic image to drop on a
voter. What the hell kind of knife-fighting hillbilly-feud district are
you in down there in North Carolina? Say "Special treatment," I advised.

I dunno. I'm pretty sure that I never registered to vote before 2001 and when I did register (Thank you, ACORN weirdos, outside the Safeway on Prince Cambpell, that sooo wanted my registration and were more than happy to fill in all of the details like "party affiliation" out for me.

Best decision I ever made was to snatch that registration form out of your hands and fill it out as a NOP (No Party Affiliation) and mail it from my own home.

(Read some of the attached literature. I thought that they were just a shady environmental group at the supermarket, knew they were POVERTY PIMPS when I got home

Anyway...

There are lots of "regular" people who have plenty of reason to get very interested in national politics based on a very "wonky" analysis of the industry in which they swim.

Honestly, I didn't really get engaged until Social Security reform was on the table until after GWB's "mandate".

It impinged upon a sector of public policy that I had made it my special project to STUDY, the first 3 years out of college, for pecuniary reasons!

People do their "jobs", of course.

Most of us are always trying to figure out how to do our jobs better!

"Wound Care."

What does that entail?

Treatment, followup treatment, payment, after-care, payment for after-care, prescriptions for antibiotics etc...

You think that a smart Nurse could be unaware of these things?

A Doctor, sure...

Meh.

If I ever have a wound that needs debriding ( I can't TYPE that term without shuddering), I'd pick her to be in charge of the procedure and the follow-up.

Posted by: Deety at October 07, 2010 12:06 AM (Jb3+B)

228 hmmm i wasn't aware constantine was a foreign conquerer...

Posted by: Alex at October 07, 2010 12:26 AM (aich6)

229 So here Anderson Cooper suggests that it's okay for the Victory Mosque
to be built, because "all religions do it," apparently. That is, build
triumphal religious centers upon sites of military victories.

Er, Ace: NOT a "military victory," but a mass murder.

Posted by: Beverly at October 07, 2010 02:55 AM (uf7nq)

230
Man, I wished candidates accepted PayPal. I'm no longer enthused about using a credit card online after having my bank call and ask about purchases made in Macedonia...had to reissue the card under another number. That was seriously annoying.

Yes, yes, I know, PayPal has access to that information. But if it leaks out, then I know where it came from.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at October 07, 2010 09:51 AM (1hM1d)

231 I just saw a similar thing in an ad for Gary Peters here in Michigan. Says his opponent wants to institute a tax break for "fat cat corporations" and pay for it by a 23% sales tax on everyone.
Talk about misleading.

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