Obama: Hey, You Know What Might Be a Good Idea To Boost The Economy? <i>A Payroll Tax Holiday</i>

Obama: Hey, You Know What Might Be a Good Idea To Boost The Economy? A Payroll Tax Holiday

Who proposed that? Oh yeah, I did. And so did thirty thousand economists.

Two years ago. On the theory -- see if you can follow this logic, because it gets twisty -- that if you reduce the cost to employers for hiring and maintaining staff, they might actually hire and maintain more staff.

Did you follow that? I know, it's heady. Let me try again:

If costs for a thing go down, you can afford more of it.

No? Still too complicated?

Here, here's a talking sandwich then.

Hey, fucklebuns! It's easy as baby-shit, see?
If hookers lower their prices by 5% you can buy 21
cooch-whores for the cost of 20! What are you, touched?!

You get it? Yeah, well, see, Obama didn't get it, and I think they had to invite time-travelling baloney sandwich Johnny Coldcuts to the White House to make him understand.

But now, facing a double-dip Great Recession largely of his own design, suddenly he's willing to confront all sorts of disturbing scenarios, such as the bizarre notion that when taxes are reduced, economic activity increases.

The staff-level discussions are in preliminary stages. But with the unemployment rate expected to rise again in new jobs numbers due out Friday, such a move could serve both to spur hiring and to combat Republican charges that Obama’s tax policies would hurt small businesses.
More spending on infrastructure – particularly transportation projects – is also under discussion, sources said. But a person familiar with the talks said it would be easier for a package consisting purely of tax cuts to “avoid the stain of a ‘bailout’ or ‘stimulus’ label.”

I had a number crunching blogger run the numbers for me, and he said that the "Stimulus" of around $900 billion could have paid for a full and complete payroll tax holiday for employers for 2 1/2 years, or a full payroll tax holiday for both businesses and employees for 1 1/4 years.

$300 billion is... well, it's a lot less, isn't it?

Meanwhile Mike Pence says extend the Bush tax cuts for everyone. And then some.

"Well, we're going to stay focused on Election Day. But I think before that, we're going to continue to demand that this administration and this Congress make it clear that no American will see a tax increase in January of next year," Pence said during an appearance on CNBC.
"So the first thing that we will do is try to preserve the tax relief of 2001 and 2003 for all Americans — for all small businesses and family farmers. But we also want to look at the kind of across-the-board tax relief, the kind of tax relief that will encourage capital formation, to get this economy moving again," the Indiana Republican and potential presidential candidate added.

On Twitter, Steven Hayes is writing to Gibbs, confronting him with Obama's past declarations that raising taxes during a recession would be disastrous.

Posted by: Ace at 05:58 PM

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1 Maybe the October surprise will be to talk like Republicans free-market capitalists for a little while, at least until the rubes are fooled again.

Posted by: real joe at September 02, 2010 06:01 PM (w7Lv+)

2
I was told there'd be no... puppetry.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at September 02, 2010 06:02 PM (QMtmy)

3 Gibbs, atoms, mind -- you get the picture.

Posted by: Groaty Dick at September 02, 2010 06:02 PM (gzjhZ)

4 Sifl and Olly in 2012! Chester for Secretary of Defense.

Posted by: Dtrain at September 02, 2010 06:03 PM (Rkf0j)

5 Yeah, well, see, Obama didn't get it, and I think they had to break out the puppets to make him understand.
Must have been golfing puppets. How else would it have obtained an audience with him? Also, I bet one of the puppets was really TOTUS.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at September 02, 2010 06:04 PM (554T5)

6 That puppet is clearly made of a gym sock and is therefore racist.

Posted by: Y-not at September 02, 2010 06:04 PM (osFsP)

7 Where the hell did you get that picture of my girlfriend?!?

Posted by: fluffy get defensive at September 02, 2010 06:04 PM (SwkdU)

8 That sock puppet has more brains than the entire Obama administration, evidently.

Posted by: jorgxmckie at September 02, 2010 06:04 PM (6MEzm)

9
Remember that cockamamie idea of a $5000? tax credit to employers for each new hire?

Posted by: your fickle friend, the summer wind at September 02, 2010 06:05 PM (uFokq)

10 BTW, I hope you didn't use your "private personal" sock, ace.

Posted by: Y-not at September 02, 2010 06:05 PM (osFsP)

11 "And now try to follow me, because I'm gonna be moving in a kind of
circular motion, so if you pay attention, there will be a point"

Buddy Ackerman,
Swimming With Sharks

Posted by: interested at September 02, 2010 06:05 PM (qNQW2)

12 On the Twitter link, "PressSec" is actually Gibbs or somebody in his office?

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at September 02, 2010 06:05 PM (w41GQ)

13 I remember during the presidential primary season Krauthammer saying that he preferred Hillary to Obama, only because Hillary might be forced to make some right decisions merely because she valued her political survival over ideology; whereas Obama would insist upon doing the wrong thing regardless of the consequences because he so deeply believed in it. Here's hoping Obama does the right thing (lowering taxes) despite the fact that he loathes it.

Posted by: angler at September 02, 2010 06:06 PM (SwjAj)

14
Is Muppet Math some new Arne Duncan brainstorm?

Posted by: Dr. Varno at September 02, 2010 06:06 PM (QMtmy)

15 If you want a puppet version of the economy, think of it as a small room. In this room, there is an elephant that takes up 30% of the space -- government takes up 30% of the economy.

Now, imagine this elephant simultaneously swells up by 1/4 and starts lurching back and forth like some sort of epileptic headless chicken. What does everyone else do? They back up against the walls and hope to wait it out.

Coming up with "plan of the day" stuff isn't going to be very helpful -- even if the elephant lurches away from your toes and heads somewhere else -- because (a) it's just too goddamned big in the first place, and (b) who knows what the next policy lurch is going to be?

Posted by: cthulhu at September 02, 2010 06:07 PM (/0IOT)

16 How about we dump Obamunism ... we need a permanent solution.

Posted by: bill-tb at September 02, 2010 06:07 PM (g0QB8)

17 Here's hoping Obama does the right thing
There's a first time for everything. Even a blind commie finds a nut every now and then.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at September 02, 2010 06:08 PM (554T5)

18
That's clearly a conservative puppet, and unworthy to mix with Bert Ernie, Kermit, and Big Bird, all progressives like their dad.

Posted by: Jim Henson Zombie at September 02, 2010 06:08 PM (v1gw3)

19 If this is his reaction to taxes, just wait until he finds out that reducing regulations has the same effect! Excelsior!
The Vapid One has a real flair for the blatently fucking obvious.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 02, 2010 06:08 PM (kFODZ)

20 We dig that sockpuppet

Posted by: Association of Ace of Spaces HQ Sockpuppeteers (AAOSHQS) at September 02, 2010 06:09 PM (fO5xj)

21 Just think how bad things are if the democrats are actually reduced to proposing ideas that work.

Time to stock up on gold, shotgun shells, and beer.

Posted by: joeindc44 at September 02, 2010 06:09 PM (QxSug)

22 $300 billion is... well, it's a lot less, isn't it?

Sounds like the right number - to get us through election season. After that, well if the Dems win, it'll be "Fuck you, we won". And if they lose, "Fuck you".

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 02, 2010 06:10 PM (DsU01)

23 I can't see this happening before the (D)'s get bloodied, from top to bottom, in November. But, if that's what it would take to increase employment and get the country rolling again, then it's our sacred honor® to bloody the hell out of 'em.

® Registered by Will Folks, man of honor® Registered by Will Folks, man of honor

Posted by: Downsized Upscale at September 02, 2010 06:10 PM (IhHdM)

24 After Obama puts money in people's pockets, you know they will be stopping buy to pick up one of these Chevy Volt's...

they can see rainbow's coming out of the tailpipe...

yep, that will work!

Posted by: ford sells volts at September 02, 2010 06:10 PM (Ki7fm)

25 Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!

Posted by: proggresives under the bus at September 02, 2010 06:10 PM (S5YRY)

26 Lamb Chop, what happened to you?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 02, 2010 06:11 PM (kFODZ)

27
Even if Obama make a gesture of goodwill prior to the election, he will create chaos after the election by continuing the march to unbridled socialism no matter the consequence.

Posted by: Fish at September 02, 2010 06:11 PM (v1gw3)

28 Puppets talking numbers? They should have brought in the Count that likes to count.
wait...the Count wears a black cape...and a white shirt? Naw, too subliminal.

Posted by: USMC8541 at September 02, 2010 06:11 PM (sGtp+)

29 We could also reduce unemployment by killing everyone who doesn't have a job. The jobless rate instantly goes to zero and Gaia is happy because there are fewer filthy humans to muck upthe planet. The Discovery Channel could even turn it into a reality show, like The Bountyhunter for Unemployed People or something. Ratings!!! It's a win-win-win.
I don't know what it is about me, but I'm always thinking up this kind of shit.

Posted by: Zombie James J. Lee at September 02, 2010 06:13 PM (QKKT0)

30 Since we aren't using the sock puppet in this post, can I, um, use it while looking at the picture of Scott's Lt Governor?

Posted by: lorien1973 at September 02, 2010 06:13 PM (IhQuA)

31 9 Remember that cockamamie idea of a $5000? tax credit to employers for each new hire?______________
Yes. Fiorina was against it because she hates business. And puppies.

Posted by: Babs at September 02, 2010 06:14 PM (FzhYM)

32 And that sandwich puppet is even worse. Clearly a reference to the FLOTUS's ample buns.

Posted by: Y-not at September 02, 2010 06:14 PM (osFsP)

33 yeah, people would really be fooled by Obama's sudden micro-tack to the center.

Posted by: joeindc44 at September 02, 2010 06:14 PM (QxSug)

34
Now I'm hungry. Great.
Anyone for a Hot Pocket?

Posted by: Dr. Varno at September 02, 2010 06:15 PM (QMtmy)

35 That sandwich has the same eyes as Christine O'Donnell.

I haven't seen a pic of her from behind, so i don't know about the buns.

Posted by: Y-not at September 02, 2010 06:15 PM (osFsP)

36
It's quite clear that's not a Muslim sandwich.

Posted by: Fish at September 02, 2010 06:15 PM (v1gw3)

37 For anyone tempted to believe Zero, I offer my strategies for interpreting Obamaspeak:
1. Never believe anything he says. Watch what he does.
2. All statements have an expiration date.
3. It's probably a trial balloon (applies to scary as well as rational-sounding ideas.)
4. Be especially cautious if he suddenly departs from leftwing talking points. This is how he won election!
Between now and Nov 2nd, #1-4 above count double. Rinse and repeat.

Posted by: Mayday at September 02, 2010 06:16 PM (TRgli)

38 An undocumented sandwich took my job.

Posted by: Unemployed Puppet at September 02, 2010 06:16 PM (x7Ao8)

39 It's going to take more than a passing wink a nod in the direction of a payroll tax holiday to get real private sector employment to pick up. Using the analogy of the drunken/headless elephant above, if Obama gives a payroll tax holiday this week, he could just as easily rescind it on November 4th. Or January 4th. Or...........
All Obama statements come with expiration dates, except the ones about spreading your wealth around, and not letting you live your life like you did before, and making the cost of energy skyrocket, and, well you get the idea.

Posted by: Boots at September 02, 2010 06:16 PM (06JTY)

40 @34
Being an obliging moronette, I'd be happy to make you a sammich.

Posted by: Y-not at September 02, 2010 06:16 PM (osFsP)

41 More spending on infrastructure – particularly transportation projects
Monorail Time.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at September 02, 2010 06:16 PM (QMtmy)

42 Ace has got the SNARK! dial up to Eleventy!11!11!! today.
I fucking like it.

And More Pat Caddell threads. Those are gold baby.

Posted by: ghost707 at September 02, 2010 06:17 PM (BNk7G)

43 Yeah, the sandwich can do math, but can he make body parts grow in response to a stimulus? Didn't think so.

Posted by: Pinnochio at September 02, 2010 06:17 PM (0K3p3)

44 More spending on infrastructure signs– particularly transportation project signs– is also under discussion, sources said.
FTFY

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 02, 2010 06:18 PM (kFODZ)

45 There really are what seem to be bizarre decisions being made all over the world, it would seem. You can crunch those numbers a lot of different ways to the benefit of tax payers, but it seems as if there is just something in the "political class" mind set that informs them that people being able to keep money that they put forth effort to earn, is something bad, something almost evil that must be resisted.
It is not something that is even allowed to be considered.
Hell, even the Republicans haven't thought to consider such a radical thing.
I am a pessimist with respect to how this will end.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 02, 2010 06:18 PM (r1h5M)

46 I'm pretty sure I heard the sandwich say that it could see the deli from its house.

Posted by: denny crane! at September 02, 2010 06:19 PM (VmtE9)

47 Woah, haven't seen Johnny Coldcuts in 5 years.

Must be the Ace version of the Bob Hope Sweeps Special.

Where's Topo Gigio?

Posted by: Garbonzo the Garrulous at September 02, 2010 06:19 PM (23kaI)

48 I said on another business site that "chocolate jesus" would never admit that tax cuts enable growth. Got called a racist. I better just stick to here. Seriously, a tax cut would undermine his entire world view. I bet he doesn't do it.

Posted by: dan in michigan at September 02, 2010 06:19 PM (9jRMu)

49 $10 says that they're really not contemplating a payroll tax holiday, but a reduction in withholding. In other words on April 15, lets watch everyone try to write out a check for the whole year's tax bill.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 02, 2010 06:19 PM (P9+0W)

50
You know what is saving Obama right now from 25% approval.

Low gas prices.

It's his one saving grace. And , quite frankly, it's inexplicable as to why gas prices have been so steady since Obama has been occupying the White House.

Posted by: your fickle friend, the summer wind at September 02, 2010 06:20 PM (uFokq)

51
oh, and yay!, Obama's gonna kick the recession's ass!

Posted by: your fickle friend, the summer wind at September 02, 2010 06:21 PM (uFokq)

52 50

You know what is saving Obama right now from 25% approval.

Low gas prices.

It's
his one saving grace. And , quite frankly, it's inexplicable as to why
gas prices have been so steady since Obama has been occupying the White
House.

Posted by: your fickle friend, the summer wind at September 02, 2010 06:20 PM (uFokq)
Yep, completely inexplicable.

Posted by: Gas producing states that financed his campaign at September 02, 2010 06:22 PM (/0IOT)

53 you know, Obama got a nobel peace prize for using W's war strategy, so maybe he'll get a nobel prize in economics for extending W's tax cuts.

Posted by: joeindc44 at September 02, 2010 06:22 PM (QxSug)

54
it's inexplicable as to why gas prices have been so steady since Obama has been occupying the White House.

Posted by: your fickle friend, the summer wind at September 02, 2010 06:20 PM (uFokq)

I suspect it's part of Muslim-to-Muslim deal making.

Posted by: Fish at September 02, 2010 06:22 PM (v1gw3)

55 Could someone please ask Johnny Coldcuts to speak with Obama about the government spending and czarist regulations things, too? The fewer the number of cops on the beat, the more coochy goodness to go around.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 02, 2010 06:23 PM (swuwV)

56 Not to be a stickler, but I'm pretty sure that's sliced turkey breast.

And if I had to guess I would say it's Jennie-O Natural Choice Honey Roasted Turkey Breast.

Don't fuck with me, I know my deli meats.

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at September 02, 2010 06:23 PM (C6ld9)

57 As much as I would love to have taxes lowered, my friends who own business' are getting killed by regulations as much as high taxes.
The German economic miracle in the 50's was primarily due to the suspension of most regulations.
Obama could cut taxes but until the EPA etc. are not adversarial agencies, it's going to be tough.

Posted by: jjshaka at September 02, 2010 06:23 PM (MNL3S)

58 And , quite frankly, it's inexplicable as to why gas prices have been so steady since Obama has been occupying the White House.

Not really. His dempression has greatly reduced consumption.

Posted by: MikeO at September 02, 2010 06:23 PM (lBmZl)

59 Let's see, how would they screw us over with this? Payroll tax for a year, to lock employers into providing lifetime Obamacare coverage for anybody they were foolish enough to him, require employers to hire felons, illegals, and vegans, jack up income taxes, and also put in a VAT. There's probably more.

Posted by: 141Driver at September 02, 2010 06:23 PM (LEynS)

60 HOLY SHIT I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT FOUL-MOUTHED SANDWICH IN YEARS.

Way to substitute him in for the overused "sock-puppet trope," Ace.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 02, 2010 06:24 PM (NjYDy)

61 Hey, fucklebuns! It's easy as baby-shit, see?

If hookers lower their prices by 5% you can buy 21

cooch-whores for the cost of 20! What are you, touched?!
Check your math there, head moron. that 21st ho would need to cut you a discount.

Posted by: Luke Duke at September 02, 2010 06:24 PM (xZ4ma)

62 He won't cut taxes.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at September 02, 2010 06:24 PM (w41GQ)

63 I believe this will only be proposed by Obama and gang, to be promptly forgotten immediately after the election. Or so many little add-ons such as more goodies for unions will be in this bill that make no sense that the talking point will be "The GOP won't vote FOR this bill because they love Wall St.!"

Axelrod is back, I think, so there will be sleaze oozing under the doors. Gibbs has stopped responding to Hayes' tweets since Hayes put up Obama quotes about taxes.

Posted by: Museisluse at September 02, 2010 06:25 PM (DTfXb)

64 It seems like the thought is: "Given that the government already borrows and spends another buck for every one they collect in personal income taxes, why not take the next step and completely divorce taxes from spending?"

Posted by: cthulhu at September 02, 2010 06:25 PM (/0IOT)

65 It's his one saving grace. And , quite frankly, it's inexplicable as to
why gas prices have been so steady since Obama has been occupying the
White House.

Industries that run on an efficiency of 90% plus like refining are extremely sensitive to market forces (supply and demand). Since demand lowers in a recession, and we've been in a near constant one for two years, hence moderate gas prices. If other countries economies take off while we remain stagnant, we're gonna be doubly screwed.

Posted by: Downsized Upscale at September 02, 2010 06:25 PM (IhHdM)

66 This is a ST+20 Louisville Slugger that the Oministration just handed to the the GOP.

A tax break and initiatives that try to avoid the wastefulness of the stimulus repudiate the entire economic platform of the Left.

I expect Michael Steele to insist on more government cash be thrown into bureaucratic black holes.

Posted by: Garbonzo the Garrulous at September 02, 2010 06:26 PM (23kaI)

67 Umm, Ace? You know the "funny" Chuck Norris ad below? Guess who's about to be all over it now. Crazy Ed Schultz.

I'm in the middle of making dinner. Just thought I'd let you know.

Peace out. (I denounce myself.)

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 02, 2010 06:26 PM (UOM48)

68 48
I said on another business site that "chocolate jesus" would never admit that tax cuts enable growth. Got called a racist.

I think on a less free-wheeling site, you're undercutting your argument using the chocolate Jesus thing.

Personally, I don't think it's particularly funny, either.

Posted by: Y-not at September 02, 2010 06:26 PM (osFsP)

69 @#61: "...that 21st ho would need to cut you a discount."

You're not allowing for the bulk discount and the frequent flier miles.

Posted by: Client #9 at September 02, 2010 06:26 PM (Jdtsu)

70 Good to see the return of Coldcuts.

Posted by: brak at September 02, 2010 06:27 PM (nIoiW)

Posted by: Client #9 at September 02, 2010 06:27 PM (Jdtsu)

72

Here's hoping Obama does the right thing

how'd that umbrella umbrella crisis end

Posted by: newrouter at September 02, 2010 06:27 PM (3V3F5)

73 The sockpuppet was funny, but that sandwich just looks scary.

Mayor McCheese's creepy illegitimate cousin?

Posted by: logprof at September 02, 2010 06:27 PM (fO5xj)

74 Things must look really bleak for them to contemplate this - it is political suicide for the Left - what if all of us proles actually like taking home our whole paychecks?

Posted by: Jean at September 02, 2010 06:27 PM (6I7cN)

75 I think on a less free-wheeling site, you're undercutting your argument using the chocolate Jesus thing.

Personally, I don't think it's particularly funny, either.

Posted by: Y-not at September 02, 2010 06:26 PM (osFsP)
--Yeah, Teleprompter Jesus is way funnier.

Posted by: logprof at September 02, 2010 06:29 PM (fO5xj)

76
Monorail Time.

Posted by: Dr. Varno

Paging Phil Hartman, paging Phil Hartman.

Posted by: Garbonzo the Garrulous at September 02, 2010 06:29 PM (23kaI)

77 The electorate in general is so farking stupid that the mere talk of a year long payroll tax holiday would have them creaming their jeans. I admit, this trial balloon scares me.

Posted by: sybilll at September 02, 2010 06:29 PM (tQFdf)

78 The sockpuppet was funny, but that sandwich just looks scary.

I thought there was a sock puppet there before.

Posted by: Deathknyte at September 02, 2010 06:30 PM (uweZT)

79 Obama's plan in the end is to sell all our mineral rights to China, Russia and Iran - to bail out the elites - after the economy completely collapses.

Posted by: ghost707 at September 02, 2010 06:30 PM (BNk7G)

80 Though I think a payroll tax holiday would have been better than the Porkulus, I think a better tack would be to eliminate the corporate income tax.

Posted by: Ken at September 02, 2010 06:31 PM (7faB0)

81
Check your math there, head moron. that 21st ho would need to cut you a discount.

The math is right.

21 * 0.95 = 19.95

If you're big hearted, tell Denny Crane's wifeMom to keep the nickel change.

Posted by: MikeO at September 02, 2010 06:32 PM (lBmZl)

82 Personally, I don't think it's particularly funny, either.
Posted by: Y-not at September 02, 2010 06:26 PM
I prefer The Teleprompter Jesus myself.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at September 02, 2010 06:32 PM (yQWNf)

83
With the shiftyglances of a reformed addict, Jared from Subway eyes the sandwich as forbidden fruit, the perspiration like dew on his furrowed brow...

Posted by: Dr. Varno at September 02, 2010 06:32 PM (QMtmy)

84 I prefer The Teleprompter Jesus myself.

Yeah, me too. Or Precedent Lightworker. Or Jugears.

Posted by: Y-not at September 02, 2010 06:33 PM (osFsP)

85 Johnny Coldcuts is out of jail??...or rehab??...or wherever the hell he's been?
Outstanding!!!

Posted by: beedubya at September 02, 2010 06:33 PM (AnTyA)

86 It's not about jobs, it's about SOME jobs. You know, the jobs for the "right" people. You racists. You need a time out.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at September 02, 2010 06:33 PM (ndlFj)

87 Yeah, me too. Or Precedent Lightworker. Or Jugears.
Dear Reader??

Posted by: beedubya at September 02, 2010 06:34 PM (AnTyA)

88 I just noticed something: how hard-ass can a sandwich be with bean sprouts?

I don't seen no bacon, either...

Posted by: Garbonzo the Garrulous at September 02, 2010 06:34 PM (23kaI)

89 A one year tax holiday won't cut it.
It has to be something long term- 5 years or longer for there to be any effect.

Posted by: ghost707 at September 02, 2010 06:35 PM (BNk7G)

90 Eliminating the corporation tax would have 1) reduced the cost to do business in the U.S. attracting oversees investors, 2) eliminated the double taxation through dividends and 3) stopped Democrat talking points about closing corporate tax loopholes.

Posted by: Ken at September 02, 2010 06:35 PM (7faB0)

91 Dear Reader??

Fearless Reader was a good variant.

Posted by: Y-not at September 02, 2010 06:36 PM (osFsP)

92 Dear Reader??
Posted by: beedubya at September 02, 2010 06:34 PM
Ear Reader???

Posted by: Truck Monkey at September 02, 2010 06:36 PM (yQWNf)

93 A Johnny Coldcuts sighting. This blog is going old school, sweet.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 02, 2010 06:36 PM (VW9/y)

94 Johnny Coldcuts has a nice pickle.

Posted by: Y-not notices things about pickles at September 02, 2010 06:37 PM (osFsP)

95 Gas prices are being manipulated in much the same way as the stock market imho. Notice how it always manages to stay right around the 10,000 mark despite the numerous reasons whyit should be much lower.
That's because of thepsychological factor of it being below that number. Given the things we've seen that have affected gas prices in the past, (i.e. hurricanes, but not the Gulf spill and the moratorium?) I don't doubt that it's the hand of Soros keeping gasprices stable.
For now.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 02, 2010 06:37 PM (kFODZ)

96 94 post and no one has worked in the moron phrase "make me a sammitch!"

Posted by: Mallamutt at September 02, 2010 06:38 PM (OWjjx)

97 "And if I had to guess I would say it's Jennie-O Natural Choice Honey Roasted Turkey Breast"
Oven-roasted chicken breast. Primo Taglio. No browning on the edges you would normally see on a honey roasted product. Texture and color would suggest chicken, not turkey. :-)

Posted by: Bosk at September 02, 2010 06:38 PM (pUO5u)

98 Ear Reader???
Rear Eater??

Posted by: beedubya at September 02, 2010 06:38 PM (AnTyA)

99 Why, what a great idea.

Stop withholding taxes for the rest of the year then hit everyone with penalties for not withholding enough come April 15th.

Posted by: Obambi at September 02, 2010 06:39 PM (dTK+5)

100 From Fox:

"...The country wants and needs leadership –
leadership that can inspire confidence. Consumers and business managers
must believe that tomorrow is going to be better than today, that the
government will not undercut progress by arbitrarily changing the rules
of the game and that efforts undertaken by the White House will benefit
all Americans, and not just favored voting blocks.

Today, we do not have that leader. Change and hope is sounding like a better rallying cry than ever."

Posted by: cthulhu at September 02, 2010 06:39 PM (/0IOT)

101 **Though I think a payroll tax holiday would have been better than the Porkulus, I think a better tack would be to eliminate the corporate income tax.**

Well, yeah, anything would've been better than porkulus (including its stealth welfare state stuff too).

But, first of all, is there in hindsight any indication that the recession of 2008 was really any worse than the previous 10 recessions? That is, was such drastic panic necessitated? If so, the alleged cost of the stimulus would have been better "spent" by eliminating all taxes for a year or something.

Posted by: joeindc44 at September 02, 2010 06:39 PM (QxSug)

102 I prefer The Teleprompter Jesus myself. Yeah, me too. Or Precedent Lightworker. Or Jugears.

Someday we need to have a thread devoted to compiling a list of Obama nicknames andwords derived fromhis name. A new favorite I just saw was Barry Poppins. His name seems especially suited to creating instantly-understood new words.

Posted by: Mayday at September 02, 2010 06:39 PM (TRgli)

103 Tax Cuts == Corporate Welfare!!!

Posted by: Lefty Hussein McMoonbat at September 02, 2010 06:40 PM (saRwI)

104 This is the 1st sign Obama knows Nov will be bad.... very bad for him.
Throw out an early meatball for all teapartiers to wet themselves over then Full steam talking point mid election "Bush spent all that money on TARP and if they get back in office they are going to stop taxes for the rich."

Posted by: Indian Outlaw at September 02, 2010 06:40 PM (7NcLZ)

105 94 post and no one has worked in the moron phrase "make me a sammitch!"

Not at all. I offered to make one for our hungry moron up thread.

Posted by: Y-not notices things about pickles at September 02, 2010 06:40 PM (osFsP)

106 I prefer The Teleprompter Jesus myself. Yeah, me too. Or Precedent Lightworker. Or Jugears.
I would really prefer "Former President Obama".........

Posted by: Mallamutt at September 02, 2010 06:41 PM (OWjjx)

107 Backwardsboy,

Agreed.

The dow should be around 8000 or less, not sure what the gas consumption is, although I am sure it is down significantly due to all the suckiness of the economy.

Posted by: ghost707 at September 02, 2010 06:41 PM (BNk7G)

108 Johhny Coldcuts! Where ya been, ya fuckin' dirty-mouthed cocksuckah?

Posted by: Monty at September 02, 2010 06:42 PM (wUa1V)

109 I would really prefer "Former President Obama".........
even better...Inmate Obama

Posted by: beedubya at September 02, 2010 06:42 PM (AnTyA)

110 The threats on Johnny Coldcuts' life (donate or the sandwich gets it) is one of the 1st things I remember about this blog. Still cracks me up. Oh, and that is one handsome sandwich.

Posted by: Dr Spank at September 02, 2010 06:42 PM (xtAfO)

111 I prefer "Disgraced Former President Obama".....Has a nice ring to it.

Posted by: Bosk at September 02, 2010 06:42 PM (pUO5u)

112 21 * 0.95 = 19.95If you're big hearted, tell Denny Crane's wifeMom to keep the nickel change.
Aw, heck, spring for the $1.90 and enjoy the freak-show that Denny's Mom and sister put on. Can't be unseen.

Posted by: 141Driver at September 02, 2010 06:43 PM (LEynS)

113 I would really prefer "Former President Obama".........
Best name ever, hands down.

Posted by: Mayday at September 02, 2010 06:43 PM (TRgli)

114 O/T - Juan Williams is, was and still remains, an idiot.
That is....please return to your regularly scheduled conversation about the size of Johnny Coldcuts "pickle"

Posted by: Mallamutt at September 02, 2010 06:43 PM (OWjjx)

115 I have missed Johnny M. Coldcuts. I loved his college football picks.

Posted by: mpfs at September 02, 2010 06:44 PM (iYbLN)

116 Oh please!! MSDNC is saying John Bolton may make a run for pres in '12.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 02, 2010 06:44 PM (UOM48)

117 Here's the link :
Donate to Ace of Spades HQ Or I'll Shoot This Sandwich

Posted by: Dr Spank at September 02, 2010 06:44 PM (xtAfO)

118 Preznit Urkel

Posted by: Truck Monkey at September 02, 2010 06:44 PM (yQWNf)

119 Oh please!! MSDNC is saying John Bolton may make a run for pres in '12.

Oh pleeeeze do it Bolton!!! I squeal in orgasmic pleasure!!!!!

Posted by: mpfs at September 02, 2010 06:45 PM (iYbLN)

120 Check your math there, head moron. that 21st ho would need to cut you a
discount.

Reminds me of the San Fran Dem Ho who made $870 Billion and 20 cents. When asked "Who paid 20 cents?", she answered "All of them."

Posted by: dfbaskwill at September 02, 2010 06:46 PM (ndlFj)

121 Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 02, 2010 06:44 PM (UOM4

Does this require me to flip over to MSNBC....cause my hazmat suit is at the dry cleaners.

Posted by: Mallamutt at September 02, 2010 06:46 PM (OWjjx)

122 Gee.. no shit.. I've been talking this up for a year.

My one question is this: Why the fuck hasn't Boner (oops Boehner) suggested this as a pre-emptive move so Obama cannot claim it as his own??

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 02, 2010 06:46 PM (Do528)

123 mpfs, many moronettes here will fight you for him. Loser gets The Caddell, however, so there is no loser.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 02, 2010 06:46 PM (UOM48)

124 106 I prefer The Teleprompter Jesus myself. Yeah, me too. Or Precedent Lightworker. Or Jugears.

I would really prefer "Former President Obama".........

Posted by: Mallamutt at September 02, 2010 06:41 PM (OWjjx)
"The Defendant" has a nice ring, as well.....

Posted by: cthulhu at September 02, 2010 06:46 PM (/0IOT)

125 Bolton for Secretary of State. He was born for that position.

Posted by: Bosk at September 02, 2010 06:46 PM (pUO5u)

126 I prefer "Disgraced Former President Obama".....Has a nice ring to it.
Posted by: Bosk at September 02, 2010 06:42 PM (pUO5u)
I like the sound of Federal Prisoner No. 144-235455

Posted by: Cicero at September 02, 2010 06:47 PM (QKKT0)

127 Mallamutt, I did one for the team. And I need a shower.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 02, 2010 06:47 PM (UOM48)

128
Hi - I'm Paul Krugman and I disagree. We must raise all taxes and increase all spending. I will then write the same tired whiny leftist clap trap drivel of a column in the NYT, cry like a little girl, and lash out a with hyperbole at anyone who dare say I'm wrong.

Posted by: Paul Krugman at September 02, 2010 06:47 PM (0fzsA)

129 Oh pleeeeze do it Bolton!!! I squeal in orgasmic pleasure!!!!!
Posted by: mpfs at September 02, 2010 06:45 PM (iYbLN)
How you doin?

Posted by: John Bolton's 'Stache at September 02, 2010 06:48 PM (QKKT0)

130 Jane D'oh: "Crazy Ed Schultz"

In the interest of brevity and dinner plans, there's no need to be redundant here.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 02, 2010 06:48 PM (swuwV)

131 Mallamutt, I did one for the team. And I need a shower.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 02, 2010 06:47 PM (UOM4

And there is an off colored joke in there somewhere, but Jane D'oh boy is a Marine, so I am just gonna leave that one alone.........

Posted by: Mallamutt at September 02, 2010 06:49 PM (OWjjx)

132 My one question is this: Why the fuck hasn't
Boner (oops Boehner) suggested this as a pre-emptive move so Obama
cannot claim it as his own??

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry

Because suggesting shit that will never be taken up in committee is pretty much the most impotent thing you can do at this point.

The out-of-power opposition only has one playsheet; that of 'Fuck No' to everything.

Posted by: Garbonzo the Garrulous at September 02, 2010 06:49 PM (23kaI)

133 Of course a taxpayer paid holiday would stimulate the economy --- why do you think I have taken so many this year.....oh, a payroll tax holiday.....screw em, nothing in it for me.

Posted by: Michelle Our Belle, at September 02, 2010 06:50 PM (OWjjx)

134
Here's the fun thing about Obamanomics. Even if the dems do some bullshit maneuver and actually follow through with a tax cut--- I Promise it won't accomplish a whole lot, mainly because of Health Care Reform, and the fact that everyone in the business world is frightened to death of Obama and his Paul Krugman butt-sniffing left-o-crats.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at September 02, 2010 06:50 PM (0fzsA)

135 64 It seems like the thought is: "Given that the government already borrows and spends another buck for every one they collect in personal income taxes, why not take the next step and completely divorce taxes from spending?"
Posted by: cthulhu at September 02, 2010 06:25 PM (/0IOT)
That's the thing. We're like an exhausted sprinter (the economy) running from a, oh, rampaging hippo or something (the debt). Energizing the runner is nice, but not at the expense of giving the Hippo steroids. And shooting the Hippos would be great, but not if you take out the runner with the same shot.
yeah, that's slightly less clear than a talking sandwhich would make things, but...

Posted by: Randy at September 02, 2010 06:50 PM (zQKSr)

136 But, first of all, is there in hindsight any indication that the recession of 2008 was really any worse than the previous 10 recessions? That is, was such drastic panic necessitated? If so, the alleged cost of the stimulus would have been better "spent" by eliminating all taxes for a year or something.
I'm of the opinion that the stimulus made things worse rather then better. I think their 8% unemployment projection by doing nothing was about right.

Posted by: Ken at September 02, 2010 06:51 PM (7faB0)

137 Bolton is dreamy, smart, dreamy, wears those professor glasses that beg to be ripped off, dreamy and has a wicked dreamy walrus 'stache.

Yeah I'm shallow like that.

So what.

Posted by: mpfs at September 02, 2010 06:51 PM (iYbLN)

138 Bolton for Secretary of State. He was born for that position.

Posted by: Bosk

Indeed.

If he were made Secretary of State, the documentary of him cleaning house would be rated X¹º.

Posted by: Garbonzo the Garrulous at September 02, 2010 06:52 PM (23kaI)

139
Health Care Reform will eat your payroll tax holiday. *burp*

Posted by: Reality at September 02, 2010 06:52 PM (0fzsA)

140 One of these days, Ed Schultz is going to pull a Lee at MSDNC. However, he won't know how to operate a weapon, even a stapler, and he'll be taken down while having a ranting/crying fit. I can't wait to watch it live.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 02, 2010 06:53 PM (UOM48)

141 Health Care Reform will eat has eaten your payroll tax holiday. *burp*

Posted by: Reality

Feex't

Posted by: Garbonzo the Garrulous at September 02, 2010 06:54 PM (23kaI)

142 mpfs, don't hold back! Yeah, I'll bet he's a wild man in the sack. Like Caddell.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 02, 2010 06:54 PM (UOM48)

143 The problem is that the Payroll tax goes to Social Security, it is "technicly" a different fund, than the General Fund...
When they "rob" the Soc Sec fund, they replace it with Fed Bonds... which is actualy a large part of the National Debt.
So, this would, on paper, take money from Social Security, which is already in trouble with the Boomers retirings.
UNLESS they would replace these funds from the General fund... you would make Soc Sec even more unstable.
Better idea is a Tax Holiday for BUSINESS Taxes. Same result, but it would then come from the General Fund.

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 02, 2010 06:54 PM (H+oXM)

144 @117
From Dr. Spank's link:
"His "research" seems to chiefly involve setting a course record on Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2004 and dialing up phone-sex services."

How prescient.

Posted by: Y-not notices things about pickles at September 02, 2010 06:56 PM (osFsP)

145 Just got off the phone with my Mom. Read her this story.

She said "If he gets any less popular, the no good commie prick might even go to church."

I love my Mom.

Posted by: sifty at September 02, 2010 06:56 PM (PJJWW)

146 142
mpfs, don't hold back! Yeah, I'll bet he's a wild man in the sack. Like Caddell.

Posted by: Jane D'oh

I'd even get up and make him a sammich and bring him a beer!

Rowrrrrrr

Posted by: mpfs at September 02, 2010 06:56 PM (iYbLN)

147 "...and has a wicked dreamy walrus 'stache."

I can't be the only one who imagines Bolton & Bob Vila duetting "The Walrus & The Carpenter" late at night.

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at September 02, 2010 06:57 PM (wd0Iq)

148 Bosk: "Bolton for Secretary of State. He was born for that position."

Seconded. His international insights and American perspective (which is to say uncontaminated, anti-foreign nativism) is second to none. No reason at all to squander his gift anywhere else in government. He was designed by a higher power for an America-centric State.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 02, 2010 06:58 PM (swuwV)

149 mpfs, you better hope you aren't ...um...too shallow when you get in the Thunderdome with the Bolton.

Posted by: sifty at September 02, 2010 06:58 PM (PJJWW)

150 Dear Reader??Fearless Reader was a good variant.

Whozat? Kim Jong Il?

Posted by: Gunslinger at September 02, 2010 06:58 PM (Zi+FQ)

151
"Well, we're going to stay focused on Election Day. But I think before
that, we're going to continue to demand that this administration and
this Congress make it clear that no American will see a tax increase in
January of next year," Pence said during an appearance on CNBC.

"So the first thing that we will do is try to preserve the tax
relief of 2001 and 2003 for all Americans — for all small businesses
and family farmers. But we also want to look at the kind of
across-the-board tax relief, the kind of tax relief that will encourage
capital formation, to get this economy moving again," the Indiana
Republican and potential presidential candidate added.

-Mike Pence

NOOOOOOO! Mike Pense and the evil right wingers are crazy crazy crazy!
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. We must spend our way to prosperity. waa.

Posted by: Paul Krugman - laughingstock at September 02, 2010 06:59 PM (0fzsA)

152 One of these days, Ed Schultz is going to pull a Lee at MSDNC.
However, he won't know how to operate a weapon, even a stapler, and
he'll be taken down while having a ranting/crying fit. I can't wait to
watch it live.

Imagine Schultz trying to do a Bud Dwyer with an Office Space red Swingline stapler.....live on air.

"It's okay, the Swingline wasn't loaded"

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 02, 2010 07:00 PM (P9+0W)

153 That picture is me before I was indicted.

Posted by: A Ham Sandwich at September 02, 2010 07:01 PM (QKKT0)

154 Would have been nice if Emperor Zero had come up with this when I still had a job.

muthamumblesuckingmumble

Posted by: huerfano at September 02, 2010 07:03 PM (No0N3)

155 Its an ISLAMAPHOBE Sandwich...
Halal Ham!
I put a Jihad on you!

Posted by: Abdul a BulBull at September 02, 2010 07:03 PM (H+oXM)

156 Right here is a good place for this. The implications of this are stunning, not withstanding the LAT positive take on it. Draw your own conclusions:
http://tinyurl.com/2czoczw
It's a few days old, but I didn't see it talked about anywhere. No wonder. It's scary terrifying for those who remember liberty. They are using the fact that there was a bailout in the first place to bribe and shake down any company they want to. This is just the start, imo.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 02, 2010 07:04 PM (r1h5M)

157 The holiday should only be for the private sector, non-union worker bees who haven't been showered in stimulus poo poo.

Posted by: drfredc at September 02, 2010 07:06 PM (ljMiA)

158 OT:
Carrie Kegan on attack of show, wearing low cut tshirt. Very nice.

Posted by: Serious Cat at September 02, 2010 07:08 PM (uVfze)

159 OT: Attack of the Show is great when they don't try to throw in jabs at Palin to try and be funny.

Posted by: sifty at September 02, 2010 07:09 PM (PJJWW)

160 OK, it's becoming clearer what Zero is up to. While his right hand is trial-ballooning popular payroll tax cuts, his hidden left hand is proposing doubling energy taxes while sending more jobs out of the country. See HotAir's latest post (I don't know how to do the tiny url thing, sorry).

Posted by: Mayday at September 02, 2010 07:10 PM (TRgli)

161 It's kind of funny being lectured to about prostitution by talking meat curtains.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 02, 2010 07:12 PM (mHQ7T)

162 This is Obama's fear and panic . He was planning on the kool-aid being a lot stronger and lasting a lot longer.

Only the cultists who expected Obama to pay their mortgages and fuel their cars from his stash are believing he will do this.

Posted by: sifty at September 02, 2010 07:14 PM (PJJWW)

163 37 threadwinner

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 02, 2010 07:14 PM (mHQ7T)

164 Chenga tu madre, Coldcuts.

Posted by: Juanito Cortefrios -- el burrito que viaje por tiempo at September 02, 2010 07:15 PM (QMzuz)

165 Since Johnny is the world's only time traveling sandwich, did he bring any word from the future? Besides Eat Me, of course.

Posted by: toby928 at September 02, 2010 07:17 PM (S5YRY)

166 Most people fed up with this POS will see it as it is. A pre-election gambit.

Posted by: Soona at September 02, 2010 07:18 PM (wR64y)

167 Johnny Coldcuts, when do Betty White and Abe Vigoda finally cash in? I need to know.

Posted by: sifty at September 02, 2010 07:19 PM (PJJWW)

168 "It's easy as baby-shit, see?" I sense the formulation of a "young guns" commercial. Let's go, Paul Ryan, kick it into turbo!

Posted by: John S at September 02, 2010 07:19 PM (+q/hN)

169 O/T: Anyone listening to Levin? I mean dear God, he and his guest are dissecting the DOJ, human rights' division and it's just unbelievable, just unbelievable....(this is the division who filed the third lawsuit against arizona today)

Posted by: curious at September 02, 2010 07:20 PM (p302b)

170
evenin, human baby filth

Posted by: i got a girl in kalamazoo zoo zoo zoo at September 02, 2010 07:21 PM (zb9qo)

171
If Democrats cut taxes,or extend even one Bush tax cut....

Bush wins. Reagan really WINS.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at September 02, 2010 07:21 PM (0fzsA)

172 One of the biggest drags on the economy is perception. The perception amongst the people who invest and hire is: capricious out-of-control leftist government, more taxes, and more regulations for the forseeable future. The government is not trusted, the future is not precictable, and that is what'sdetermining behavior.At this point,one-off short-term measures such as a payroll tax holiday are not going to sway perception much. It's way too late for that. The one-off measures to date have failed one after another for that reason. This would come across as just another unexpected lurch.
The perception that a long term, predictable environment exists will have to be recreated. That will require a change of government, and a coherent follow-through.
But anyway, this crew does not triangulate. I don't expect any tax holiday. I expect tax increases and more chaotic sudden changes.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at September 02, 2010 07:23 PM (w41GQ)

173 We are screwed until he is out of office..

Posted by: timbo at September 02, 2010 07:24 PM (ph9vn)

174 I liked the sock puppet better.

Posted by: Nice Deb at September 02, 2010 07:24 PM (YXKI4)

175 It's a few days old, but I didn't see it talked about anywhere.

I've actually used this sockpuppet for almost a month now. But you're right, not that much outrage. Take women and add minorities to the number and you've got almost 70% of the population, right?

Apparently, in the post-racial world of Barack Obama, making white males go to the back of the bus is entirely acceptable.

Paging Pastor Martin Niemöller...

Posted by: Office of Minority and Women Inclusion at September 02, 2010 07:24 PM (IhHdM)

176 If Democrats cut taxes,or extend even one Bush tax cut....Bush wins. Reagan really WINS.
That's why it will never happen under these punks. Besides, it goes against everything they and their marxist constituents believe.

Posted by: Soona at September 02, 2010 07:25 PM (wR64y)

177 Yo fucknuts! We were saying this before the damned baloney sammich opened his pie hole!

Posted by: Philly Cheesesteak at September 02, 2010 07:26 PM (kxQZx)

178 http://tinyurl.com/28ptdpg
rightscoop audio, palin helping someone out

Posted by: Dan at September 02, 2010 07:27 PM (1jzSs)

179 160
OK, it's becoming clearer what Zero is up to. While his right hand is
trial-ballooning popular payroll tax cuts, his hidden left hand is
proposing doubling energy taxes while sending more jobs out of the
country.

And his third hand massages my tushie.

Posted by: Michelle Obama at September 02, 2010 07:28 PM (kxQZx)

180 It still won't help because they showed on fox how people making over $250 grand have to pay over $2 grand of their own money per family member to have their medical records put on computer. Everyone pays even people making very little but the over $250 grand group pay way disproportionately. They are going to take that money but in a different way. Notice they are not keeping the bush tax cuts, tells you a lot.

Posted by: curious at September 02, 2010 07:28 PM (p302b)

181 O/T: actually not even a topic but I would appreciate a nudge back to reality.

CALIFORNIA MORONS:

I often notice this thing where if there is something bad for the Dems in the papers, the papers vanish from the stands, and early in morning even. Usually it's the NYT, when, once in a blue moon they have have bad Obama PR on the front page; rarely the CA print.

But today I could not find one Merc or Chronicle paper... went through a whole shopping center and 3 starbucks. Nothing. Full stack of NYT's (unlike after Iraq speech), but CA papers... empty. All day. I have noticed the emtpy stack phenomenon at my normal starbucks at least 6 times in recent past.

Ok. So this is far-fetched and naively would think it a good sign. But something tingles me about it.

Any CA people notice anything similar ????11?

( I just know unions and media have schemes and also that Soros' biggest problem is finding ways to spend his money politically - like say maybe flooding the Intrade market to manufacture a sentiment/likelihood) /alcoa off

man what a good week this was ( except for Obama approval but who believes that anyway). I spoke with my non-political mother yest who voted for Obama and started to request the non-Boxer vote and she interjected "oh of course. she's a Democrat right." My heart swelled. "Exactly", I said.

Posted by: Little help here... at September 02, 2010 07:28 PM (WSXQF)

182 166
Most people fed up with this POS will see it as it is. A pre-election
gambit.

Won't matter. We already sent for the torches and pitchforks.

Posted by: The People at September 02, 2010 07:29 PM (kxQZx)

183 40 @34Being an obliging moronette, I'd be happy to make you a sammich.
Posted by: Y-not at September 02, 2010 06:16 PM (osFsP)
Do NOT. That's how you become their slave. Learn to roll your eyes at the mention of a sammich.

Posted by: dagny at September 02, 2010 07:30 PM (/HFKu)

184 The only concern I have is how such a tax-cut will be financed. Most likely it will be increased government borrowing.
Government borrowing is a net negative for economic growth, at least at the levels we're at. The gain from decreased payroll costs might be more than offset by the loss from increased government borrowing.
If it is financed by decreasing government spending, on the other hand, then it can only be to the good. But there's no way that Obama will consent to serious cuts in government spending.

Posted by: Steven Den Beste at September 02, 2010 07:30 PM (+rSRq)

185 end the Bush tax cuts. stop giving handouts to the wealthy!

Posted by: Ithacus at September 02, 2010 07:31 PM (Gf4ej)

186 Johnny C has fucking piercing James Caan eyes. They're really kind of scary. I can see him going after Sollozzo single handed.

Posted by: toby928 at September 02, 2010 07:32 PM (S5YRY)

187 It's our money.

Posted by: sifty at September 02, 2010 07:32 PM (PJJWW)

188 Finally!

Johnny Coldcuts has come back to Ace of Spades.

(I can smell what he's cooking -- and it smells like victory. Victory and cheap whores. Mostly whores, but there's at least a little victory in there.)

Posted by: krakatoa at September 02, 2010 07:33 PM (a0Jhx)

189 186
Johnny C has fucking piercing James Caan eyes. They're really kind of
scary. I can see him going after Sollozzo single handed.

We're on it.

Posted by: Bent Noses from Joisy at September 02, 2010 07:33 PM (kxQZx)

190 The perception that a long term, predictable environment exists will have to be recreated. That will require a change of government, and a coherent follow-through.
We are screwed until he is out of office..
I agree that the economy won't really get rolling again until Obama is gone. However, my hope is that if the R's run the table this Nov and gain at least the House and the Senate is close to 50/50, then the business community and consumers will breathe a sigh of relief that the worst of the insanity is over. I think most people will instinctively believe that Obama's worst insticts will be neutered, and maybe, just maybe things will begin to pick up.
If they do, of course Zero will attempt to take all the credit, but the R's/Sarah/Beck/Rush etc must not letup so that people don't forget the real story as we approach 2012.

Posted by: Mayday at September 02, 2010 07:33 PM (TRgli)

191 Learn to roll your eyes at the mention of a sammich.

You know you want to make that sammich for me.

Posted by: fluffy has a ticklish beard at September 02, 2010 07:34 PM (SwkdU)

192 Johnny Coldcuts is not above using the shiv when the shit goes down.

Posted by: sifty at September 02, 2010 07:34 PM (PJJWW)

193 185
end the Bush tax cuts. stop giving handouts to the wealthy!

Posted by: Ithacus at September 02, 2010 07:31 PM (Gf4ej)

ok, i'll say it again. In places like NYC, you can be two teachers, a teacher and a cop, two cops, two firefighters, two ems, or any combination thereto and make over $250 grand together and since everyone's mortgage is based on the inflated property values, it is difficult to live within the city limits (city or boroughs) on $250 grand. Everything is expensive. And you give an enormous amount of money to city state and federal taxes. Really in places like NYC, over $500 grand might be fairer.

Posted by: curious at September 02, 2010 07:36 PM (p302b)

194 Genius!!! I think Johnny Coldcuts should stay on as your staff economic wonk--especially since he's got Obama's ear, no wait. That's impossible. But, I mean, if you can't trust a time-traveling ham sandwich....

Posted by: c monster at September 02, 2010 07:36 PM (b+tsq)

195 The only concern I have is how such a tax-cut will be financed. Most likely it will be increased government borrowing.

Someone needs to explain to me how changing (or not changing, which is what the extension would be) the tax rate equals spending, 'cuz I don't get it. (Except for the "EIC", which I understand is giving people money beyond their withholding as a reward for asking for their withholdings back)

Posted by: HeatherRadish is a crank at September 02, 2010 07:37 PM (yhlnw)

196 191
Learn to roll your eyes at the mention of a sammich.

You know you want to make that sammich for me.

Posted by: fluffy has a ticklish beard at September 02, 2010 07:34 PM (SwkdU)

I'll make you a sammich....now just stand there and hold still, ok ready?poof...your a sammich

Posted by: curious at September 02, 2010 07:37 PM (p302b)

197 Now if Su....per Grover could put us some knowledge on the Iranian nuke program, we'd be set.

Posted by: sifty at September 02, 2010 07:38 PM (PJJWW)

198
More handouts to the poor and non-producers!

Trickle-up economics!

Posted by: i got a girl in kalamazoo zoo zoo zoo at September 02, 2010 07:39 PM (gYzmF)

199 Posted by: HeatherRadish is a crank at September 02, 2010 07:37 PM (yhlnw)

essentially they assume you are so stupid and do not see the world around you and that you are so hooked on things you don't need that as soon as the extra cash shows up in your paycheck you will run right out and spend it on things you don't need. I'm not so sure that's going to happen. More than likely it will go to pay debt.

Posted by: curious at September 02, 2010 07:39 PM (p302b)

200 So Obama will consider lowering a tax "to combat Republican charges that Obama’s tax policies would hurt small businesses"

hahahaha. What the Washington Post meant to say was, he'll consider lowering a tax, thus conforming to Republican tax policies re small business.

But of course the WaPo would never dreaaaam of hurting Obama's progressive status by saying it that way.

Posted by: Erwin at September 02, 2010 07:40 PM (KnGfs)

201

This is some sort of imitation Johnny Coldcuts.

He is not foul-mouthed enough to be the original. THere's at least 4 fucks too few in his statement, and no cunt or motherfucker.

I'm thinking Chinese sleeper agent.

Posted by: s'moron at September 02, 2010 07:41 PM (UaxA0)

202 Hate to say it, curious, but in a lot of places that aren't NYC "two teachers" = "the wealthy." Milwaukee: avg MPS salary is $100k, median household income = $40k. A teacher married to another teacher is pulling down 5 or 10 times what their average student's parent or grandmother does (and without working a full year, but that's a rant for another post)

Posted by: HeatherRadish is a crank at September 02, 2010 07:42 PM (yhlnw)

203 So... he just now found out he really, reallycares about the unemloyed. So it's not like he's just doing this for election day results? Right?

Posted by: rdbrewer at September 02, 2010 07:42 PM (0hqOl)

204 Rasmussen just released a new WA State poll... Rossi leads 48-46... he was behind in their poll last week.

Posted by: Editor at September 02, 2010 07:42 PM (pUfK9)

205 March 27, 2008

McCain's Payroll Prize By Robert Novak

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- A major strategist in John McCain's campaign was asked privately this week whether his candidate might propose cutting the payroll tax. "Yes," came the reply. "No problem. Not a big deal."

Posted by: toby928 at September 02, 2010 07:42 PM (S5YRY)

206 curious---Oh, I understand the wage-earner's spending (and hey, I earned the wage, what do you care if I go out and spend it on fixing my car instead of turning it over to Obama to give to Palestine?). I don't understand how changing the tax rate equals "government spending."

Posted by: HeatherRadish is a crank at September 02, 2010 07:44 PM (yhlnw)

207 We need to build a danged fence around these high payroll taxes!

Posted by: McCain at September 02, 2010 07:45 PM (PJJWW)

208 The only concern I have is how such a tax-cut will be financed.
Governement employees have agreed to take pay and benny cuts of 55% to bring their pay in line with the rest of the country.
And Elena Kagan broke right.

Posted by: Crazy Headline Guy at September 02, 2010 07:46 PM (0hqOl)

209 ok, i'll say it again. In places
like NYC, you can be two teachers, a teacher and a cop, two cops, two
firefighters, two ems, or any combination thereto and make over $250
grand together and since everyone's mortgage is based on the inflated
property values, it is difficult to live within the city limits (city or
boroughs) on $250 grand. Everything is expensive. And you give an
enormous amount of money to city state and federal taxes. Really in
places like NYC, over $500 grand might be fairer.

Posted by: curious

You see, that's why we need to give people in New York special tax breaks and fuck the rest of the country. Are you with me?

Posted by: Senator Schumer at September 02, 2010 07:46 PM (No0N3)

210 HeatherRadish is right! If I want to buy alcohol, tobacco and firearms with my paycheck, it not their damn business. If I want to pay my damn cable bill, same thing.

Posted by: sifty at September 02, 2010 07:47 PM (PJJWW)

211 I know that many are enamored with this idea but it won't work either. IMAO.
Why should I for example hire more people if I am already operating at what now constitutes my full capacity ? Not paying taxes on my employees does improve my bottom line, which I will like a lot, but I will like it MUCH better if I don't have to lay out money to pay new employees at all.
I will take the money and run unless I REALLY need the employees, and if I REALLY needed the new employees, a relatively small tax would not be enough to deter me from hiring them.

Demand is not elastic at this point, and barring increased PROVEN demand I'm not going to be hiring new staff just for the benefit of a tax holiday.

Posted by: dougf at September 02, 2010 07:47 PM (DGiGV)

212 Payroll-tax "holiday" = Good.

Drastic cuts in gubmint spending = Also Good

Fair tax and fiscal responsibility in D.C = Best!

Posted by: MrScribbler at September 02, 2010 07:48 PM (Ulu3i)

213 If you think this means I'm desperate, then you are stuck in the politics of the past. What we need to do is move past those old divisions. Divisions such as left vs far left. (You know where I stand). Divisions such as right vs wrong. (I'm on the former.)
If you all would get past these old hangups, you would see that this is proof that I am one of the most flexible nonidealogical politicians in our nation's history.

Posted by: Barack H. 'Fuck You I Won' Obama at September 02, 2010 07:50 PM (uCjoj)

214 Also, Us Weekly tells me that I am incredibly sexy.
And I have a great golf swing.

Posted by: Barack H. 'Fuck You I Won' Obama at September 02, 2010 07:51 PM (uCjoj)

215 Hey Johnny, where you been? You still giving Rex Ryan fscking elocution lessons?

Posted by: phreshone at September 02, 2010 07:52 PM (1AnxB)

216 I will take the money and run unless I REALLY need the employees, and if I REALLY needed the new employees, a relatively small tax would not be enough to deter me from hiring them.

Do you plan to bury this money in the backyard, or is it likely to find it's way back into the economy somehow? The extra profit you make will go somewhere. Better to you than to Washington, DC.

Posted by: fluffy at September 02, 2010 07:52 PM (SwkdU)

217 What the hell? I sent the link to my dad when it had the sock puppet talking about apples -- funny.

Then you changed it to a profane and less correct calculation on contract volume for agents of the first profession. Still funny, but to a much different audience -- which no longer includes my dad or many of my friends.

I think you completely changed the audience of the post.

Couldn't you have put the new analogy in a different post? Trying to get you traffic here because I like your blog (I donate when I can), and I try to refer people to posts I think they'll like. Harder to do when the audience of a post changes so sharply.

Posted by: T at September 02, 2010 07:55 PM (z9Awt)

218 Posted by: T at September 02, 2010 07:55 PM (z9Awt)

So, just invite them to the next ONT.

Posted by: Editor at September 02, 2010 07:57 PM (pUfK9)

219 If you think this means I'm desperate, then you
are stuck in the politics of the past. What we need to do is move past
those old divisions. Divisions such as left vs far left. (You know where
I stand). Divisions such as right vs wrong. (I'm on the former.)
If you all would get past these old hangups, you would see that this
is proof that I am one of the most flexible nonidealogical politicians
in our nation's history.

Posted by: Barack H. 'Fuck You I Won' Obama

Not enough ums and uhs. But the "Fuck You I Won" is very convincing.

Posted by: huerfano at September 02, 2010 07:57 PM (No0N3)

220 I like John Bolton in any admin, but POTUS? He has never run anything.

Posted by: Dan at September 02, 2010 07:57 PM (1jzSs)

221 I like John Bolton in any admin, but POTUS? He has never run anything.
Posted by: Dan at September 02, 2010 07:57 PM (1jzSs)
You know who this helps?

Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at September 02, 2010 07:58 PM (QKKT0)

222 Oh my goodness, I didn't know about Johhny Coldcuts before today. Ace, you gotta use this guy more often. He slices like a fuckin' hammer.

Posted by: Gaff at September 02, 2010 07:58 PM (mTB38)

223 That ham sandwich offends me and I am writing to Caliph Barak Hussien Obama to issue a fatwa against you. That will fix your ham eating arse. Does that sandwich come with bacon?

Posted by: Mike W at September 02, 2010 07:59 PM (P0YbT)

224 211 I know that many are enamored with this idea but it won't work either. IMAO. Why should I for example hire more people if I am already operating at what now constitutes my full capacity ? Not paying taxes on my employees does improve my bottom line, which I will like a lot, but I will like it MUCH better if I don't have to lay out money to pay new employees at all. I will take the money and run unless I REALLY need the employees, and if I REALLY needed the new employees, a relatively small tax would not be enough to deter me from hiring them. Demand is not elastic at this point, and barring increased PROVEN demand I'm not going to be hiring new staff just for the benefit of a tax holiday.
Posted by: dougf at September 02, 2010 07:47 PM (DGiGV)

OK dougf, I know you're not an economist but try to think logically for a second. You own a hypothetical business and because of a tax holiday you have more cash because your expenses are the same and your expenditures are the samebut your taxes are lower. Let's go with the idea that you don't want to grow your business, you're happy with where you are, you have no desire to buy more capital (buildings, machines, software, goods, whatever) and you are willing to stay at exactly the capacity that you are at the moment because you are either lazy or made a death bed promise to never get any bigger to grandpa. Still you have extra cash. You willeither invest the money, put it in a bank account, or spend it. In each of these scenarios,or combination thereof, the money goes into the economy and is either available for borrowers or allows someone else theincreased income to buy more capital or hire moreemployees or grow. WHEN THE GOVT TAKES FEWER TAXES THE MONEY IS AVAILABLE FOR GROWTH.

Posted by: dagny at September 02, 2010 07:59 PM (/HFKu)

225 You know who this helps?

Ooh, ohh, I know!

Posted by: Mitt Romney at September 02, 2010 08:00 PM (kxQZx)

226 What dagny said.

Posted by: sifty at September 02, 2010 08:00 PM (PJJWW)

227
So, just invite them to the next ONT.

Yeah, we eat babies (or is it boobies) there.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 02, 2010 08:01 PM (kxQZx)

228 Hey, is it ONT yet because I'm already on my second glass of wine

Posted by: spypeach at September 02, 2010 08:02 PM (PedQN)

229 The economy will not recoveruntill the healthcare reform package is repealed. The big guys have adjusted to the recession and by cost cutting are turning good profits. They aren't about to spend money untill they find how expensive their employees health coverage will be. When small companies, always lean, have a drop in sales they have to cut employees but still don't have any cash. Individuals are helplessly watching premiums go up. Money going to insurance companies can't be spent elsewhere.
The healthcare reform package makes refusal or raised premiums for pre-existing conditions a thing of the past. There still is no such thing as a free lunch so the additional cost is passed to the consumer. Healthcare reform did nothing torein in the legal or government complience costs of medicine.
Tax holidays, Keynesian economics, nothing with revive our economy untill Healthcare is repealed.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at September 02, 2010 08:02 PM (rurh0)

230 Even if every business owner said "Fuck employees!" and ran to Vegas for the weekend, it would at least help Vegas and trickle out from there.

Right now the economic constipation is killing everything.

Posted by: sifty at September 02, 2010 08:02 PM (PJJWW)

231 Does this mean we could have a Mormon in the White House? It turns out there's an excellent book out there that describes this very possibility. You should check it out.

Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at September 02, 2010 08:02 PM (uCjoj)

232 end the Bush tax cuts. stop giving handouts to the wealthy!

Posted by: Ithacus at September 02, 2010 07:31 PM (Gf4ej)

Anyone earning a paycheck benefited from the Bush tax cuts, Monkey Nutz, not just the wealthiest 82% of Americans.

Posted by: fluffy at September 02, 2010 08:04 PM (SwkdU)

233 Hugh, you know McCain is the only viable candidate for anything, anywhere.

Slap fight!

Posted by: Michael Medved at September 02, 2010 08:04 PM (PJJWW)

234 What about me? I think I'd be an excellent President.
For the young and hip folks.

Posted by: Michael S. Steele at September 02, 2010 08:05 PM (uCjoj)

235 You got my endorsement, Michael!

Posted by: Howard Dean at September 02, 2010 08:06 PM (PJJWW)

236 Steele-LL Cool J 2012: What Up?

Posted by: The Republican National Committee at September 02, 2010 08:08 PM (QKKT0)

237

Here's a pic of a real sammich:

Via Theo Spark (SFW)

Posted by: Ed Anger at September 02, 2010 08:08 PM (7+pP9)

238 Blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! Lower taxes! My head is going to explode!

Posted by: KosKiddie at September 02, 2010 08:08 PM (RykTt)

239 Some bitch on O'Reilly just equated Joe Arpaio to Bull Connor.

Posted by: jmflynny at September 02, 2010 08:09 PM (AYzQg)

240 Some bitch on O'Reilly just equated Joe Arpaio to Bull Connor.But..was she hot?

Posted by: Chris in Va at September 02, 2010 08:10 PM (uCjoj)

241 Van Voorhees VII / Howell 2012: Lovey, Fetch Me Another Martini

Posted by: National Review at September 02, 2010 08:10 PM (PJJWW)

242 It will be a long, long time before the term "fucklebuns" may be scrubbed from my mind.

Posted by: Henry Hawkins at September 02, 2010 08:11 PM (1neAq)

243 UNLESS they would replace these funds from the General fund... you would make Soc Sec even more unstable.

GOOD.

Posted by: chemjeff at September 02, 2010 08:12 PM (kUEkq)

244 Greene -- Crist 2012: Ebony and Tangerine

Posted by: Your Democratic National Committee at September 02, 2010 08:12 PM (QKKT0)

245 I wish Nyjer Morgan was President. He's the only guy in DC with any balls.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 02, 2010 08:12 PM (hV/FZ)

246 O'Reilly is just keeping Beck's time slot warm at this point.
Soon he will be on after Greta's White Kidnap Victim Hour. His schlock is stale.

Hannity will be selling ShamWow's if he doesn't stop sounding like a damn broken record.

I really want to watch Fox in the evenings without grinding my teeth down to the nub.

Posted by: sifty at September 02, 2010 08:15 PM (PJJWW)

247 Steele-Boehner 2012: A Black-And-Tan For the Nation!

Posted by: chemjeff at September 02, 2010 08:15 PM (kUEkq)

248 240...

Uh. That would be a big ol NO.

Posted by: jmflynny at September 02, 2010 08:15 PM (AYzQg)

249 Sweet Jeebus.

I reached into the oven a while ago to pull out a pan of roasted thin pork chops. With my bare hands. The temp was 400 degrees.

I've spent the past half-hour or so with an ice pack on my hands.

(Jane D'oh, looking for sympathy.)

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 02, 2010 08:15 PM (UOM48)

250 Laura Ingram just demolished some mutant alien for zorg over the Arizona/Arpaio issue.
Alien guts everywhere. Not pretty.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 02, 2010 08:16 PM (r1h5M)

251 Greene / Kucinich: Dancing with People from the Stars

Posted by: sifty at September 02, 2010 08:16 PM (PJJWW)

252 Yeah, Laura Ingraham replaces O'Reilley tonight

Posted by: logprof at September 02, 2010 08:16 PM (fO5xj)

253 Ouch, Jane. Sympathy conveyed.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 02, 2010 08:17 PM (hV/FZ)

254 Johnny Coldcuts would be better if she were a ham sammich....what with the hobo thing and all........

Posted by: i like cheese at September 02, 2010 08:18 PM (lY9dj)

255
I
reached into the oven a while ago to pull out a pan of roasted thin
pork chops. With my bare hands. The temp was 400 degrees.

Did you remember to marinate your hands first?

Seriously though, if the pain is extensive, you might want to call your DR office...

Posted by: 18-1 at September 02, 2010 08:18 PM (bgcml)

256 Jane D'oh, so sorry to hear that you ruined the pork chops! Was everyone able to eat a good dinner anyway?

(j/k - sorry about your hands)

Posted by: chemjeff at September 02, 2010 08:18 PM (kUEkq)

257 246...

I don't know about that. O'Reilly used to be the bomb, about 10 years ago I was running around telling everyone at work about this cool new Fox channel and this guy O'Reilly who's giving the shits to people on both sides of the aisle.

He's no longer what he once was but his ratings are through the friggin roof.

Greta, frankly, makes me nuttier than he does.

Posted by: jmflynny at September 02, 2010 08:18 PM (AYzQg)

258 (Jane D'oh, looking for sympathy.)

You poor thing!

Were the pork chops OK?

Posted by: fluffy likes food at September 02, 2010 08:18 PM (SwkdU)

259 Jane D'oh, looking for sympathy.

Take a tip from Joanie oven mitts. And slather on the aloe.

Posted by: toby928 at September 02, 2010 08:19 PM (S5YRY)

260 For the young and hip folks.

Posted by: Michael S. Steele at September 02, 2010 08:05 PM (uCjoj)
A vote for Mike Steele is a vote for your right to attend lesbian bondage theme clubs.Uh, did I just accidentally launch his candidacy?

Posted by: Some Moron at September 02, 2010 08:19 PM (bgcml)

261 Michael Steele/Megan McCain2012 - Too Cool for School

Posted by: toby928 at September 02, 2010 08:20 PM (S5YRY)

262 Greene/Marceaux 2012: Finally, Your Chance to Vote for Dumb And Dumber

Posted by: chemjeff at September 02, 2010 08:20 PM (kUEkq)

263 Look at the bright side Jane...

You'll never again leave fingerprints at a crime scene.

Seriously, though, put some aloe on it and take something for the pain if you want to sleep tonight.

Posted by: jmflynny at September 02, 2010 08:20 PM (AYzQg)

264 Michael Steele/Megan McCain2012 - Three boobs are better than one.

Posted by: toby928 at September 02, 2010 08:21 PM (S5YRY)

265 I've spent the past half-hour or so with an ice pack on my hands.(Jane D'oh, looking for sympathy.)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 02, 2010 08:15 PM (UOM4

Jane, where are the damn pork chops? We're starving in here!

Posted by: robtr at September 02, 2010 08:21 PM (fwSHf)

266 Jane D'oh, do you have any burn cream? I've found it really helps but you need it right away. Send Mr D'oh to the store now. And if it's really bad, those neighborhood clinics might be an option for you.
(from someone who burns herself a lot)

Posted by: Mayday at September 02, 2010 08:22 PM (TRgli)

267 Well, all right. Johnny Coldcuts is back!

Gonna put some information to Barack H. Obama.

Posted by: DelD at September 02, 2010 08:23 PM (oAZ1S)

268 Fuck you all, in a loving way. I immediately put my hands in ice.

My injury didn't slow D'oh down. He ate both his chop and mine.

I think I'm owed a dirty crazy sexy time in the sack with Bolton or Cappell.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 02, 2010 08:23 PM (UOM48)

269 Giannoulis/Soprano 2012: It'll Be A Landslide If You Know What's Best For You

Posted by: chemjeff at September 02, 2010 08:23 PM (kUEkq)

270 A vote for Mike Steele is a vote for your right to attend lesbian bondage theme clubs.
*Donates*

Posted by: Chris in Va at September 02, 2010 08:23 PM (uCjoj)

271 Dale Peterson 2012: I'm So Fucking Awesome I Don't Need A VP

Posted by: chemjeff at September 02, 2010 08:24 PM (kUEkq)

272 Jane, take ibuprofen or naproxen. It will decrease the inflammation. Because they are anti-inflammatory drugs. Tylenol will not do it.

Posted by: huerfano at September 02, 2010 08:24 PM (No0N3)

273 268 "Fuck you all, in a loving way. "

Heard that before...

Posted by: The Chicken at September 02, 2010 08:25 PM (hV/FZ)

274
More spending on infrastructure – particularly transportation projects –
is also under discussion, sources said. But a person familiar with the
talks said it would be easier for a package consisting purely of tax
cuts to “avoid the stain of a ‘bailout’ or ‘stimulus’ label.”

That's exactly what that discredited scrunt Christina Romer proposed as she was being thrown under the bus.

What else did she say?

"To this day, economists don't fully understand why firms cut production
as much as they did or why they cut labor so much more than they
normally would."

Her defense was that "almost all analysts were
surprised by the violent reaction."

-----------

Dana Milbank is mighty pissed off at Christina Romer right now. I doubt they'll ever share cocktails again.

Posted by: Ed Anger at September 02, 2010 08:25 PM (7+pP9)

275

If Johnny Coldcuts is a baloney sammich, why does he smell like tuna?

Coldcuts/ Christie 2012

Posted by: Damiano at September 02, 2010 08:26 PM (PA722)

276 Coldcuts/ Christie 2012

I predict Electoral Cannibalism

Posted by: nostradamus at September 02, 2010 08:27 PM (S5YRY)

277 Dammit. Cappell=Caddell (channeling Dave Chappell)

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 02, 2010 08:27 PM (UOM48)

278 I reached into the oven a while ago to pull out a pan of roasted thin pork chops. With my bare hands. The temp was 400 degrees.
Can we call you Jane Duh now?

Posted by: Ohio Dan at September 02, 2010 08:27 PM (rurh0)

279 Sup Rons.
I see Ace was trying to fool everyone today with his post about Scott's running mate.
I've only had time to skim for the most part this week. For shame Ace. Looks like I know you pretty well though since something told me to click on the links.

Posted by: Delta Smelt in SC at September 02, 2010 08:27 PM (qhdz6)

280 I reached into the oven a while ago to pull out a pan of roasted thin pork chops. With my bare hands. The temp was 400 degrees.
Always test the temperature of the pan with your tongue before grabbing it with your hands.

Posted by: Joe Biden's Joy of Cooking at September 02, 2010 08:29 PM (QKKT0)

281 -

Could we please, please, please call these "Tax Rate Cuts"
rather than "Tax Cuts".

We're not "cutting taxes" we're cutting the rate at which something is taxed.

I know you know this. I know ace knows this.
I know the Left does not.

.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at September 02, 2010 08:29 PM (Hj0nA)

282 Hey, does anyone here know if I'm hearing the "live" version of Mark Levin's show when it starts at 6 PM EST?
For a couple years he's been coming on the local station at 7 PM for a 2 hour show, but all of a sudden it's a three-hour show that starts at 6 PM EST.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 02, 2010 08:31 PM (hV/FZ)

283 His show used to be 2 hours (but it was 6-

. It's now 3 but not all affiliates carry the third hour. The website is supposed to be live.

Posted by: Chris in Va at September 02, 2010 08:32 PM (uCjoj)

284 Bite me, moron assholes. I immediately put my hands in ice water. Now I'm okay. Don't need meds (unless any of you idiots want to send me something interesting.)

Suck it. (Said lovingly)

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 02, 2010 08:33 PM (UOM48)

285 I
reached into the oven a while ago to pull out a pan of roasted thin pork
chops. With my bare hands. The temp was 400 degrees.

Not seeing the problem here.

Posted by: Johnny Storm at September 02, 2010 08:34 PM (0PyL4)

286 Meh, put some dirt on it and make some more chops.
Thanx

Posted by: robtr at September 02, 2010 08:34 PM (fwSHf)

287 Don't need meds (unless any of you idiots want to send me something interesting.)

Do you have a request?

Posted by: chemjeff at September 02, 2010 08:35 PM (kUEkq)

288 Thanks, Chris in VA. Not sure when the change happened, just realized I've been hearing him longer than usual.

He is by far the funniest (by which I mean meanest) conservative guy on the radio.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 02, 2010 08:35 PM (hV/FZ)

289 Johnny Coldcuts doesn't predict the future, he shapes it.

Posted by: Dr Spank at September 02, 2010 08:36 PM (Y81Xa)

290 I must say, D'oh never once lost his appetite. He ate my chop as well as his. What a trooper.

Later I will sport a really sexy nightie. And I will beat the shit out of him if he tries to touch me.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 02, 2010 08:36 PM (UOM48)

291 Oh, Jane D'oh, we love ya.

Posted by: chemjeff at September 02, 2010 08:36 PM (kUEkq)

292 I
reached into the oven a while ago to pull out a pan of roasted thin pork
chops. With my bare hands. The temp was 400 degrees.
----

I don't see a problem.

Posted by: Satan, chef extraordinaire at September 02, 2010 08:37 PM (osFsP)

293 Bite me, moron assholes. I immediately put my hands in ice water. Now I'm okay. Don't need meds (unless any of you idiots want to send me something interesting.)
"Moron assholes"? That's insulting. And redundant.

Posted by: Cicero at September 02, 2010 08:37 PM (QKKT0)

294 Did someone mention Dana Milbank? What a pantywaist. That guy makes David Brooks look like a member of the Hell's Angels.

Posted by: Delta Smelt in SC at September 02, 2010 08:37 PM (qhdz6)

295 The WaPo just moved him from A2 to the opinion pages. Apparantly his "Washington Sketch" columns weren't funny enough to be considered anything other than straight diatribe.

Posted by: Chris in Va at September 02, 2010 08:39 PM (uCjoj)

296 Later I will sport a really sexy nightie. And I will beat the shit out of him if he tries to touch me.

The distaff gender is deliciously cruel.

Posted by: toby928 at September 02, 2010 08:39 PM (S5YRY)

297 College football is on. Go Utes!

Posted by: Y-not adapts to her new locale at September 02, 2010 08:39 PM (osFsP)

298 Dana Milbank is a male person??? He writes like a pussy.

Posted by: Truman North at September 02, 2010 08:40 PM (HLGCA)

299 Go Utes!

Did you say yoots?

Posted by: Judge Chamberlain Haller at September 02, 2010 08:41 PM (0PyL4)

300 I like the Utes because the have an awesome uniform and an awesome mascot

Posted by: Truman North at September 02, 2010 08:42 PM (HLGCA)

301 Laura Ingraham and Ann Coulter are having a fun girl-fest. Too bad Ann won't be on with Bristol Palin on Dancing with the Stars.

My hands still hurt!

Fuck that. Something you'll never hear me whine about. After the next three days.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 02, 2010 08:42 PM (UOM48)

302 Posted by: Judge Chamberlain Haller at September 02, 2010 08:41 PM (0PyL4)
Ha. Beat me to it. The last thing anyone remembers Ralph Machio in.

Posted by: Delta Smelt in SC at September 02, 2010 08:42 PM (qhdz6)

303 Say what you want... nah on second thought, I'll say what I want.
There is just something about watching to hot, smart, blond Republican chicks that makes me sweat... profusely.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 02, 2010 08:43 PM (r1h5M)

304 Where the hell is laceyunderalls??

The Real Hos of DC is on tonight. Must see TV. And tonight, the hos get a drive-by Sarah sighting.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 02, 2010 08:43 PM (UOM48)

305 There is just something about watching to hot, smart, blond Republican chicks that makes me sweat... profusely.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 02, 2010 08:43 PM (r1h5M)
Meg Whitman?

Posted by: Delta Smelt in SC at September 02, 2010 08:44 PM (qhdz6)

306 Laura Ingraham and Ann Coulter are having a fun girl-fest.

Is there Jell-O involved? Jell-O and Juliet Huddy?

Posted by: Waterhouse at September 02, 2010 08:44 PM (0PyL4)

307 Re: 303 It also makes me misspell simple words like two.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 02, 2010 08:44 PM (r1h5M)

308
294
Did someone mention Dana Milbank? What a pantywaist. That guy makes David Brooks look like a member of the Hell's Angels.

Posted by: Delta Smelt in SC at September 02, 2010 08:37 PM (qhdz6)
99% of the time I won't click on those assholes, but the 1% of the time when they're squirming like a caterpillar under a magnifying glass I find it highly gratifying.

Posted by: Ed Anger at September 02, 2010 08:44 PM (7+pP9)

309 Laura Ingraham strikes me as someone who would be quite good in the sack. Though she would probably cut off my testicles for writing that, thus negating that skill.

Posted by: Chris in Va at September 02, 2010 08:44 PM (uCjoj)

310 The time travelling, smack talking sandwich is back!

Posted by: Artesian at September 02, 2010 08:45 PM (9osU1)

311 Did you hear about that new oil incident in the Gulf? Apparantly it makes cap and trade inevitable or something.

Posted by: Newsweek (Yes We Still Exist for now) at September 02, 2010 08:46 PM (uCjoj)

312 Fuck that. Something you'll never hear me whine about. After the next three days.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 02, 2010 08:42 PM (UOM4

Put some Windex on it.

Posted by: Gus Portikolos at September 02, 2010 08:46 PM (U/eda)

313 297
College football is on. Go Utes!

umm, so when does the actual college football start?

Posted by: chemjeff at September 02, 2010 08:47 PM (kUEkq)

314 99% of the time I won't click on those assholes, but the 1% of the time when they're squirming like a caterpillar under a magnifying glass I find it highly gratifying.
Posted by: Ed Anger at September 02, 2010 08:44 PM (7+pP9)
Yeah, I hear that. I remember when he would go on Laura Ingraham. He hid his leftist tendancies a bit back then. Hell, she used to have Howard Fineman on as well. Another twirp mangina.
She went off in Denver a few years ago so I don't know if she still has media tools like that on anymore.

Posted by: Delta Smelt in SC at September 02, 2010 08:47 PM (qhdz6)

315 301 Laura Ingraham and Ann Coulter are having a fun girl-fest. Too bad Ann won't be on with Bristol Palin on Dancing with the Stars.My hands still hurt! Fuck that. Something you'll never hear me whine about. After the next three days.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 02, 2010 08:42 PM (UOM4

Next to each other they look like sisters. Two... hot... sexy... smart... probably rich... blond... sexy... did I mention sexy... sisters.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 02, 2010 08:47 PM (r1h5M)

316 That douche Laura is interviewing looks like a reject from a ventriloquist dummy factory.

Posted by: logprof at September 02, 2010 08:48 PM (fO5xj)

317 Bengals are beating the 4th string team of the Colts!

Suck it, Manning!!

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 02, 2010 08:49 PM (U/eda)

318 Even if there was a payroll tax holiday, it still wouldn't take away the uncertainy of how much taxes would go up afterwards. Isn't that what is keeping businesses from hiring?? Also, why would businesses hire when they know that they are going to get hit with all the Obamacare requirements in regards to employees.

Posted by: Opus at September 02, 2010 08:49 PM (IebeI)

319 316 looks like a reject from a ventriloquist dummy factory.

Leave me out of this!

Posted by: Stephen Hawking at September 02, 2010 08:50 PM (hV/FZ)

320 Was it ever determined why Stephen Hawking's ALS stopped progressing? Most people die within 5 years.

Posted by: Chris in Va at September 02, 2010 08:51 PM (uCjoj)

321 Heh, Mark Stein said said today there's a Russian official out there urging his fellow Russians to smoke and drink more to help the government raise more tax money.

But good grief, don't Russians practically have gills as it is? And if they smoke any more, Ukraine will drop dead of second hand smoke.

Posted by: CoolCzech at September 02, 2010 08:51 PM (tJjm/)

322 I often notice this thing where if there is something bad for the Dems in the papers, the papers vanish from the stands, and early in morning even.

Posted by: Little help here... at September 02, 2010 07:28 PM (WSXQF)

I could name a few cities where that would be a pretty obvious and natural event.

Do you live near a university? Stealing papers with objectionable news is a time-honored tradition there.

Posted by: Merovign, Strong on His Mountain at September 02, 2010 08:51 PM (bxiXv)

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Posted by: Chris in Va at September 02, 2010 08:51 PM (uCjoj)

My guess is he died 15 years ago and they had him stuffed. They have a chimp trained in physics operating his old voice synthesizer.

Posted by: CoolCzech at September 02, 2010 08:53 PM (tJjm/)

324 300
I like the Utes because the have an awesome uniform and an awesome mascot

I don't know if it's just that the Ute tribe is smart or the university made an effort, but it's nice to see that they haven't dumped their American Indian affiliation. I gather the mascot is a hawk, "Swoop," and that they got approval from the tribe to use him.

Posted by: Y-not adapts to her new locale at September 02, 2010 08:53 PM (osFsP)

325 But good grief, don't Russians practically have gills as it is? And if they smoke any more, Ukraine will drop dead of second hand smoke.
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 02, 2010 08:51 PM (tJjm/
Yeah, not a very good long term strategy. Isn't Russian males low life expectancy, in large part because of heavy drinking?

Posted by: Delta Smelt in SC at September 02, 2010 08:54 PM (qhdz6)

326 Isn't Russian males low life expectancy, in large part because of heavy drinking?
Yep. And it's really bad for a developed country. 62 years I believe.

Posted by: Chris in Va at September 02, 2010 08:55 PM (uCjoj)

327 I recommend holding an ice cold beer in each hand. Take alternate sips. That should do it, unless of course this is what got you in trouble in the first place.

Posted by: dagny at September 02, 2010 08:56 PM (wA+xO)

328 Yep. And it's really bad for a developed country. 62 years I believe.
Posted by: Chris in Va at September 02, 2010 08:55 PM (uCjoj)
I guess as long as they have virile, alpha male Putin, shooting bears and riding motorcycles,they are fine in the male role model/procreating department. Kinda like Pat Caddell here in the States.

Posted by: Delta Smelt in SC at September 02, 2010 08:58 PM (qhdz6)

329 I don't know if it's just that the Ute tribe is
smart or the university made an effort, but it's nice to see that they
haven't dumped their American Indian affiliation. I gather the mascot
is a hawk, "Swoop," and that they got approval from the tribe to use
him.

Posted by: Y-not adapts to her new locale

I know that the Southern Utes, who have a res in southern Colorado have several thriving businesses including a casino and a natural gas production company and they are very good at them.

Posted by: huerfano at September 02, 2010 08:59 PM (No0N3)

330 And the killing of a tax credit for energy companies has been re-introduced. Guess who will pay for the increse in costs they incur?

Posted by: Hard Right at September 02, 2010 09:00 PM (0mdXt)

331 Just clutch your hands to your chest, D'oh. We all know there's nothing colder than a conservative's heart.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 02, 2010 09:00 PM (hV/FZ)

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Posted by: Vladimir Putin's Dick at September 02, 2010 09:01 PM (uCjoj)

333 Yeah, not a very good long term strategy. Isn't Russian males low life expectancy, in large part because of heavy drinking?

Posted by: Delta Smelt in SC at September 02, 2010 08:54 PM (qhdz6)
--More tax revenue from te booze and smokes, less long-term starin on the pension and health care systems.Win-win.

Posted by: logprof at September 02, 2010 09:01 PM (fO5xj)

334 So ALS has popped up on a couple of threads today which reminds me of an odd thing I learned. My father-in-law passed away from ALS a few years ago. My mother-in-law is on a very limited fixed income now and when she sent us our birthday checks this year, they seemed a little large (for her situation), so I mentioned to her she really doesn't need to send anything.

Anyway, she said that it was ok, because the VA had decided that ALS is a service-related disease, so she now gets $1000/month from them.

I'm glad she has the extra income - she certainly needs it - but my f-i-l was in the Marines for a couple of years and he was stationed in the U.S. He was a supply sergeant. So unless Spam has some kind of bizarre neurotoxin in it, how is that a service-related disease?

Posted by: Y-not at September 02, 2010 09:04 PM (osFsP)

335 Win-win.
Posted by: logprof at September 02, 2010 09:01 PM (fO5xj)
Don't give the Demoncats any ideas.

Posted by: Delta Smelt in SC at September 02, 2010 09:05 PM (qhdz6)

336 There seems to be some link between trauma and ALS. Whether that's what they mean or not I don't know.

Posted by: Chris in Va at September 02, 2010 09:06 PM (uCjoj)

337 If lacey shows up, remind her our DC Hos are on tonight. Wouldn't miss it for the world.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 02, 2010 09:09 PM (UOM48)

338 336
There seems to be some link between trauma and ALS.

So they think basic training did it? Because the only action he saw was pushing papers.

Posted by: Y-not at September 02, 2010 09:09 PM (osFsP)

339 Wouldn't miss it for the world.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 02, 2010 09:09 PM (UOM4

Interesting. Personally I'd rather naw my arm off. I'd rather shave with a rusty butterknife. I'd rather drink whiskey made from old folks urine. I'd rather...
you get the idea. Heh.

Posted by: Delta Smelt in SC at September 02, 2010 09:11 PM (qhdz6)

340 "So they think basic training did it?"

It's possible he was stationed at a site that was later deemed hazardous. Asbestos and similarly toxic substances were/are part of tons of military gear. We used to have to pretend to put on our "fire suits" because the ones our unit had weren't up to snuff.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 02, 2010 09:13 PM (hV/FZ)

341 Dr Spank: that link of yoursmentions Tiger Woods' 2004 PGA tourin the same breath asphone sex services. Ace is remarkably prescient. Or psychic.

Posted by: Dr Alice at September 02, 2010 09:33 PM (HaWgG)

342 Dang it Y-Not! You're prescient too... or psychic.

Posted by: Dr Alice at September 02, 2010 09:37 PM (HaWgG)

343 >>>What the hell? I sent the link to my dad when it had the sock puppet talking about apples -- funny.

Sorry, I wanted to bring back Johnny Coldcuts, I didn't imagine anyone was really fond of the sockpuppet. It was cute but I just thought Johnny Coldcuts needed to be heard again.

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345 Hmmmm.

@ Ace

"I had a number crunching blogger run the numbers for me, and he said
that the "Stimulus" of around $900 billion could have paid for a full and complete
payroll tax holiday for employers for 2 1/2 years, or a full payroll
tax holiday for both businesses and employees for 1 1/4 years."

Or conversely for $900 billion we could have had:

1. First $40,000 of income federal tax free. So if you made $55,000 then your federal tax is based on $15,000 of gross income. This would be for 4 years.

2. The employer wouldn't have to pay federal tax on the first $40,000 of the employee's income because employers do pay matching taxes. This would also be for 4 years.

3. There could be a 10% across the board cut in federal corporate taxes. Not reducing 25% tax rate by 2.5% but rather reducing a 25% tax rate to 15%. This could also be done for 4 years.

4. Promise no major pieces of legislation for the next 4 years unless absolutely necessary or for emergency purposes.

5. Initiate procedures to permanently disband Department of Education, HHS and a few others.

Posted by: memomachine at September 02, 2010 10:24 PM (MwCol)

346 Hmmmm.

@ Ace

"Sorry, I wanted to bring back Johnny Coldcuts, I didn't imagine anyone
was really fond of the sockpuppet. It was cute but I just thought
Johnny Coldcuts needed to be heard again."

That's not a pickle.

Posted by: memomachine at September 02, 2010 10:28 PM (MwCol)

347 Even if he does it, I'm still not voting Democrat.

Because Democrats only do the right thing after exhausting all other possibilities.

Posted by: Socratease at September 02, 2010 11:12 PM (nF+Eo)

348 2. The employer wouldn't have to pay federal tax on the first $40,000 of the employee's income because employers do pay matching taxes. This would also be for 4 years.
Huh?

Posted by: Ken at September 02, 2010 11:18 PM (7faB0)

349 yeah, the concept is definitely too complicated for the so-called professor in chief. hmmm, thing is, he was never a professor. he was an adjunct, doesn't have a phd., or a jd, and he never published.

that is why the stupid stimulus didn't work either. see, if ya give a "grant" to a university to write jokes (yeah, can't remember what university it was, but someone got a "grant" for like 750k to come up with a computer program that writes jokes) then you aren't going to stimulate the economy. why? because it is the small businesses that provide the majority of the jobs in the U.S.. Therefore, if you make it cheaper, and easier for the small business man to hire people then you will be implementing policies that promote economic growth. instead, the professor in chief gives stimulus grants to things like a university so they can write jokes. if it wasn't so sad it would perhaps be amusing. truth is, the real joke is the jerk sitting in the oval office.

Posted by: annak at September 02, 2010 11:25 PM (8Nq99)

350 >>>Sorry, I wanted to bring back Johnny Coldcuts, I didn't imagine anyone was really fond of the sockpuppet --ace

Thanks for the reply. It was the notion that "Obama didn't get it, and I think they had to [break out the puppets] to make him understand". You had great execution; that was what I liked about it.

Posted by: T at September 02, 2010 11:58 PM (vvHI9)

351 Enough of the temporary crap. Permanently cut taxes AND spending. Temporary distorts economic and capital allocation. While I am all for tax cuts I am tired of waiting with baited breath for get my handout from Washington.

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