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Hamas Wants To See Ground Zero Victory Mosque Built. Also, Liberal Columnist To GOP, Please Stop Using This Issue To Win Votes, It's Hurting Democrats!

Well, they did endorse Obama during his campaign so it's nice to see there's one group not regretting their support.

A leader of the Hamas terror group yesterday jumped into the emotional debate on the plan to construct a mosque near Ground Zero -- insisting Muslims "have to build" it there.

"We have to build everywhere," said Mahmoud al-Zahar, a co-founder of Hamas and the organization's chief on the Gaza Strip.

"In every area we have, [as] Muslim[s], we have to pray, and this mosque is the only site of prayer," he said on "Aaron Klein Investigative Radio" on WABC.

"We have to build the mosque, as you are allowed to build the church and Israelis are building their holy places."

No word yet on whether or not they support Gutfeld's gay bar next door.

I don't know about you but I'm pretty sick and tired of being lectured about religious freedom from a religion that won't let non-believers enter the city limits of their holiest sites. No, I don't think we should let their stone age thinking drive our laws but when it comes to tolerance and good will, it seems Muslims might want to take a look in the mirror before lecturing to others.

In case you missed it last night, Ace had a great take on why the elites are going all in on this issue when it's so clearly a no-brainer the other way.

Added: This is unbelievable. Mark Halperin says the GOP should join with Obama because their opposition to the Ground Zero victory mosque is hurting Democrats and helping the terrorists.

If you go full force on the offensive, every Democratic candidate in every competitive race in the country will have three choices, none of them good, when asked about the Islamic center: side with Obama and against public opinion; oppose Obama and deal with the consequences of intraparty disunity; or refuse to take a position, waffling impotently and unattractively at a crucial time.

Say what you will about the wisdom of Obama's policies overall, but his belated commentary on religious freedoms clearly was not done for political gain. Quite the contrary. the President knew that he and his party would almost certainly pay a political price for taking a stand, especially this close to the election, and with few prominent leaders, other than New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, on the White House's side. The reaction since the President spoke has been vitriolic and unvarying from leading voices on the right, painting Obama as weak, naive, out of touch and obtuse (not to mention flip-flopping, after his confusing follow-up comments Saturday suggested to some that he might be hedging his position).

Yes, Republicans, you can take advantage of this heated circumstance, backed by the families of the 9/11 victims, in their most emotional return to the public stage since 2001.

But please don't do it. There are a handful of good reasons to oppose allowing the Islamic center to be built so close to Ground Zero, particularly the family opposition and the availability of other, less raw locations. But what is happening now the misinformation about the center and its supporters; the open declarations of war on Islam on talk radio, the Internet and other forums; the painful divisions propelled by all the overheated rhetoric is not worth whatever political gain your party might achieve.

It isn't clear how the battle over the proposed center should or will end. But two things are profoundly clear: Republicans have a strong chance to win the midterm elections without picking a fight over President Obama's measured words. And a national political fight conducted on the terms we have seen in the past few days will lead to a chain reaction at home and abroad that will have one winner the very extreme and violent jihadists we all can claim as our true enemy.

Oh noes! Democrats will have 3 choices if Republicans force the issue and all of them are bad! That's so mean and unfair. How could they? Bastards!

I wonder if Halperin wrote any columns in say 2004, 2006, or 2008 imploring Democrats not to attack Bush over Iraq, Afghanistan or anti-terror programs out of fear it might have given comfort to the insurgents in Iraq or terrorists around the world? I doubt it.

On the upside, it's nice to see a guy like Halperin not even pretending to be anything but a Democratic partisan. I salute the honesty involved.

One problem I think liberals have in dealing with the reaction to their support of the mosque is that they think the GOP is just pandering to the rubes with this. Personally, I doubt it. I think on this issue most people are genuinely offended. When 60+ percent of the country is on the same page, it's not simply a partisan wedge issue, it's something that most people get on a gut level.

It's the reason they have to resort to the strawman of 'religious freedom'. As I keep saying, this is simply a smear tactic, not an argument.

The fact that liberals like Halperin are pleading for mercy show they know they are getting killed on this.

Halperin article via Ben Smith.

Even More: Jim Geraghty mocks the hell out of Halperin's column.

Via Dave in Texas in the comments, even an idiot like Roger Ebert knows having Hamas on your side isn't helpful.

Thanks, Hamas, for supporting the mosque. That's really helpful.

It's simply the logical extension of the choices liberals have made in this debate.

Posted by: DrewM. at 09:50 AM




Comments

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1 I don't know about you but I'm pretty sick and tired of being lectured
about religious freedom from a religion political system that won't let non-believers
enter the city limits of their holiest sites.

FTFY

Islam is not a religion, it is a political system.

Posted by: Vic at August 16, 2010 09:53 AM (/jbAw)

2 let the conquering begin!

Posted by: Vergeltung at August 16, 2010 09:54 AM (jttPx)

3 "We have to build the mosque, as you are allowed to build the church and Israelis are building their holy places."
...so we can show you how we celebrate a victory over you infidels. And to show you that you are the intolerant ones for daring to question our motives. And so we can look out the window of our victory mosque upon infidel land that we attacked.
We have to build the mosque...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at August 16, 2010 09:57 AM (kFODZ)

4 Those Chickens are comin home to roost!!

Posted by: The Rev. Jeremiah Wright at August 16, 2010 09:57 AM (ngD76)

5 Barry: Allah Akbar!!!! Let me be clear, when I said Allah Akbar I meant, that I support the right to say Allah Akbar not actually that I really said it.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 16, 2010 09:57 AM (1Jaio)

6 They can build all the ornate arms depots they like...in their own lands.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 16, 2010 09:58 AM (ffEms)

7 Well, that's good enough for me: let them build it, then nuke the spot from orbit. (Or something a bit less catastrophic, say, Daisy Cutter it from orbit.)

Posted by: ECM at August 16, 2010 09:58 AM (nYKDd)

8 In case you missed it last night, Ace had a great take on why the elites are going all in on this issue when it's so clearly a no-brainer the other way.
Liberals are at home with no-brainers, since they have no brains. But clearly have a problem remembering whether it was "heads" or "tails" they dicided to go with...

Posted by: maddogg at August 16, 2010 09:59 AM (OlN4e)

9 Anyone know where I can get a tanker truck filled with pig offal? I wonder what the imams would say about a mosque built on land that was liberally soaked with pig guts?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (formerly NJConservative) at August 16, 2010 10:00 AM (LH6ir)

10 Praise Allah!

Our glorious martyrs will have a memorial at ground zero before infidels do.

Thank you brother Hussein!!

Posted by: Osama Bin Laden at August 16, 2010 10:00 AM (ngD76)

11 We must build the Mosque so we can find out what's in it. Right? Right?

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at August 16, 2010 10:00 AM (OlN4e)

12 tell me again HOW many new churches dhimmis are allowed to build in muslim-majority areas?
Oh, that's right, we can't build ANY new churches, nor fix up any old ones, because as Pres Obama said, "I WON," and we all know that ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES!
Remember that in November...get out the vote!

Posted by: cas at August 16, 2010 10:01 AM (YSiwU)

13 My daughter and in laws were visiting for dinner last night. My father-in-law made a comment about Sarah Palin causing my daughter to make a snarky remark.I snarled back and it was on!!!!! Amazingly...we agree on nothing. She is for the mousqe, I'm against-She thinks Obama walks on water....me, not so much! WWIII at the dinner table.
She made the freedom of religion arguement, I blew her out of the water. On and on. when I told her obama had walked back his Mousqe comments she was stunned into silence.I pounced...called him gutless, voting present again, not leading. VICTORY WAS MINE!!!!!!!!

Posted by: bob T at August 16, 2010 10:02 AM (SzKHs)

14 Can't wait until they build the Memorial and park for MLK's assassin. It's going to be great. Re-enactments, maybe a pin map, gift shop. Then maybe a shrine for the KKK down in Selma.

Let freedom ring baby!

Posted by: Something Wicked This Way Comes... at August 16, 2010 10:02 AM (fES9W)

15 You always know when the President effed up big time when the media starts making insanely stupid comparisons to save his ass.
ABC this morning basically did a Google earth map that showed- ready for it!- a strip club and OTB within 2 blocks of the WTC.
So basically the media is saying, "screw this hallowed ground crap" with this pathetic comparison.
And they wonder why people hate their lying guts at this point.

Posted by: jjshaka at August 16, 2010 10:02 AM (7R4FQ)

16 I suspect that Hamas feels that they got their money's worth with Barry.

Posted by: toby928 at August 16, 2010 10:03 AM (S5YRY)

17
"We have to build everywhere," said Mahmoud al-Zahar, a co-founder of Hamas.


Posted by: Lemon Kitten at August 16, 2010 10:04 AM (0fzsA)

18 Ask any Muslim you know what they think about the mosque. Then remember that there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim.

Posted by: shillelagh at August 16, 2010 10:04 AM (Oz4Bj)

19 Well, golly, if Hamas is all for it, who are we to object?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at August 16, 2010 10:05 AM (kFODZ)

20 You know what, its not about the Muslims. They're going to want to stick in our eyes, that's the kind of people they are. Its about the zoning or planning commission. The very purpose of these types of commissions is to prevent the very thing that they are allowing to happen. The very body that is set up to way all the pros and cons of allowing a particular building to be put up in a particular place basically considers the concerns of the people that they are supposed to serve to be a pile of stinking manure.

Posted by: Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz at August 16, 2010 10:05 AM (4JpPD)

21 "In every area we have, [as] Muslim,..."
In the Sixth Century there was no Islamic land. By the Eighth Century Paris was almost Islamic land. They had conquered half the known world. The Islamic worldview --from the Quran, sayings and life of Muhammed -- is that no Muslim should ever live under non-Muslim rule. Once land is consecrated for Islam it must be defended and reconquered for all time. To live under non-Muslim rule or any legal system but sharia is "unjust" or "oppression".
Strict by-the-books Islam is a theocracy-spreading insurgency-makingmachine, recentlyinfused with trillions ofpetro-dollars from the Gulf Arabs.
What part of "Islam has bloody borders"* is so hard to understand?
*Samuel Huntington, CoC

Posted by: Beagle at August 16, 2010 10:06 AM (sOtz/)

22 But the 9/11 Families for a Peaceful Tomorrow support it!
sure they were just created by the Tides Foundation to help the president, and sure they are to 9/11 Families like Scientologists are to religion, but i have a feeling we will be hearing about them on the news everynight.
It allows all the networks to say the mosque is opposed and supported by 9/11 families, instead of opposed.

Posted by: Ben at August 16, 2010 10:08 AM (wuv1c)

23 Beat the Democrats with the issue like the Bear Jew beat the Nazis with his bat.

Posted by: RarestRX at August 16, 2010 10:09 AM (rmNST)

24 Not sure I'd wanna build a mosque on cursed earth. Does lightning strike the same place twice?

Posted by: Something Wicked This Way Comes... at August 16, 2010 10:10 AM (fES9W)

25 I say we compromise. They build the mosque, but we get to decorate the fence posts with the heads of their relatives we kill overseas.

Posted by: Berserker at August 16, 2010 10:10 AM (gWHrG)

26 I want a big gold statue.

Posted by: Zombie Sirhan Sirhan at August 16, 2010 10:11 AM (W8f0O)

27 I've often said that Democrats are inherently doomed as a party (not in finality, but from one election cycle to the next) because they can't keep a coalition of special interests together for more than 4 years. They manage to piss off someone, at some point, to the extent that enough of their candidates lose elections to make them lose overall power.

Of course, Republicans always manage to hand power back to them, but it's nice to know Democrat power is finite and limited.

Posted by: frode at August 16, 2010 10:12 AM (TdgA9)

28 The folks who support the mosque, did they also support the Mojave War Memorial?
In numerous (at least) cases they did not.

Posted by: Have Blue at August 16, 2010 10:13 AM (mV+es)

29
Reports that certain 9/11 family groups support the victory Mosque - take them as desperate media spin and lies.

Most of the surviving 9/11 family members think the placement of the mosque is inappropriate.


Posted by: Lemon Kitten at August 16, 2010 10:13 AM (0fzsA)

30 But what is happening now the misinformation about the center and its supporters; the open declarations of war on Islam on talk radio, the Internet and other forums; the painful divisions propelled by all the overheated rhetoric is not worth whatever political gain your party might achieve.
What misinformation? What "open declarations of war on Islam"? WTF are you talking about?
This is our country that's under attack. We see it and we don't like it. When we protest, the screaming starts that any opposition to this desecration of Ground Zero is a "war" and causes "painful divisions".
What a crock of shit. Halperin needs a Midol. His mangina is sore.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at August 16, 2010 10:13 AM (kFODZ)

31 If only Rudy Giuliani had bothered to run against Gillibrand, that New York Senate seat would now be a pretty solid pick-up.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 16, 2010 10:13 AM (PBNpM)

32 The president is wrong, this is not a "religious freedom" issue. It is an exercise of that freedom that is in question. Moreover, freedom of speech is not the issue if a guy like Larry Flynt sits down at Sidwell Friends school and starts showing kids the pictures in "Hustler." The same is true of the mosque, there is no question regarding religious freedom, it's the exercise of that freedom that is always in question.

Posted by: ted c at August 16, 2010 10:13 AM (8qNeV)

33 I hated fucking liberals more and more every day.

Posted by: Lucifer at August 16, 2010 10:14 AM (0GFWk)

34 The reaction since the President spoke has been vitriolic and unvarying
from leading voices on the right, painting Obama as weak, naive, out of
touch and obtuse

Four swings and four misses. The Precedent is none of these. He's just a traitor who hates America and Americans with a burning passion, and will do anything that causes strife in America.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 16, 2010 10:14 AM (Qp4DT)

35 Wow. I don't even know where to start on the Halperin thing.

Other than to say "FUCK YOU--DISSENT IS PATRIOTIC, REMEMBER?"

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 16, 2010 10:14 AM (NvFZs)

36 Halperin's last paragraph in the excerpt above is interesting. Essentially he is saying that if we fight the Islamists, they win. And obviously if we don't fight them they win. So....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (formerly NJConservative) at August 16, 2010 10:14 AM (LH6ir)

37 I always value the opinions of violent assholes wearing gay green headbands.

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at August 16, 2010 10:15 AM (wd0Iq)

38 will have one winner the very extreme and violent jihadists we all can claim as our true enemy.
Get it? If we oppose the mosque the terrorists win!
The libs are scared to death, keep them running GOP. Don'teff it up!

Posted by: ErikW at August 16, 2010 10:16 AM (4S8fC)

39 And to think I had at one time backed away from my stand of nuking mecca.

Go ahead and build it, it will bring many new yorkers together...when we tear it down.

You can only kick a dog so many times before he snaps and tears off your leg.

Posted by: evil libertarian at August 16, 2010 10:16 AM (tWPKP)

40 With Kelo is still on the books, we believe that seizing the disputed property and putting up a museum for the display and promotion of cured meats would be a highly profitable endeavor for the good people of Lower Manhattan. Our lawyers are on the case

Posted by: US Manufactures Of Meat & Other Ingredients Assoc. at August 16, 2010 10:17 AM (HjPtV)

41 All your base are belong to us!

http://tinyurl.com/qsqj8

Posted by: Hamas at August 16, 2010 10:19 AM (LdYLm)

42 You know, ever since Gutfeld proposed his 'Backdoor To Mecca' bar, everyone's been falling all over themselves to get behind the Obama Victory Mosque.

I question the timing.

Posted by: t-bird at August 16, 2010 10:19 AM (FcR7P)

43 Imagine how people would feel if they had been "ALLOWED" to see images of 9-11 in the media?
is not worth whatever political gain your party might achieve.
Really? Like the visual and audio blackout of the murderous attack, the terrorism?

Posted by: dagny at August 16, 2010 10:20 AM (E5lhk)

44 his belated commentary on religious freedoms clearly was not done for
political gain. Quite the contrary. the President knew that he and his
party would almost certainly pay a political price for taking a stand

Guys, guys, it's a virtue that Obama lacks the common sense and decency to keep his anti-American positions to himself concerning matters which may harm his party, and in the end, his Marxist goals.

I mean, having a president who lacks the basic self-control of a mildly ADD 7yr old is a plus, really.

So, uhmmm, could you just back off a little?

Posted by: Warden at August 16, 2010 10:20 AM (fE6tn)

45 Lets face it. They can't seem to build anything at Ground Zero, There is no real Memorial, The Liberals control NYC for the most part, Bloomberg is a douchebag, Obama is Pres..., ah I can't even say it, and the MSM are scumbags. That land is cursed. I say let the animals have Manhattan and wall off the whole Island. The Yankees are in the Bronx anyway and the only Arena is Madison Square Garden and that is also cursed.

Posted by: Lucifer at August 16, 2010 10:21 AM (0GFWk)

46 I look at Halperin second "bad" option a bit differently.

In the old days, opposing something 70% of Americans oppose was called doing your f-ing job as a representative of the people.

Posted by: FreakyBoy at August 16, 2010 10:22 AM (uKraB)

47 In re: Halperin, let me be the first to reply "Boo-f*cking-hoo!"

Cordially...

Posted by: Rick at August 16, 2010 10:22 AM (pT/Ao)

48 "Actually, we like Mr. Obama, and
we hope he will win the election. I do believe he is like John
Kennedy, a great man with great principles, and he has a vision to
change America, to make it in a position to lead the world community,
but not with domination and arrogance."

Posted by: Hamas, 2008 at August 16, 2010 10:23 AM (ukBBI)

49 Actually, Drew, Mark Halperin did in fact caution Democrats against nationalizing the 2006 elections and he thought the Republicans would win. Check out this article (NYTimes, I know). So I think Halperin isn't really a partisan hack, he's merely a coward.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 16, 2010 10:23 AM (Pm5H8)

50 As for open declarations of war, I never forget this one.
"The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies -- civilians and military -- is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim."
-- OBL 1998
So knowing a large mainstream sect of Muslims will always fight for alleternityfor any speck of once-Muslim land, and knowing that sect is funded by (but not only) the Saudis, let's go all-out to create lots more Muslim landall over our cities, funded by the Saudis!

Posted by: Beagle at August 16, 2010 10:23 AM (sOtz/)

51 This is the Muslims wanting to commemorate the site of what, to them, was a great victory.

It really is that simple.

But the MFM, Obama, Dems and willful idiots (BIRM) will never say that.

Posted by: tsj017 at August 16, 2010 10:24 AM (4YUWF)

52 The Church that was already on the site (Orthodox IIRC) and was heavily damaged in the attack on 9/11 can not get the permits it needs to rebuild and repair. They apparently own the land they are on, and existed prior to the attack, but they do not have the "right to build a religious facility on private land" as Obama put it.

Posted by: Have Blue at August 16, 2010 10:24 AM (mV+es)

53 It's funny how Hamas wants the mosque built. They, adn their savage Pali friends, are the ones who treated the Church of the Nativity as if it was an open urinal and logistics base - i.e. they treated one of the most important churches in Christendom as if it were a mosque - that is, a building who's only real purpose was for thier use in waging war on the West.

I'm surprised that no one talks about what muslims did to the Church of the Nativity in this discussion of islam and the required submission to muzzie desires to erect a victory mosque on our land.

How quickly everyone forgets.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 16, 2010 10:25 AM (Qp4DT)

54 My mother in law goes down there all the time and she has a special place in her heart for the cross of steel that was left standing. Apparently it became quite the pilgrimage site after the attack. The city wanted to dispose of it but some church took it in lower manhattan took it and put it on their property.
The city wouldn't let the cross stand which was left standing after an attack by islamists. Now they build a monument to the islamists. Nuance.

Posted by: dagny at August 16, 2010 10:25 AM (E5lhk)

55 If you're not with the terrorists, you are against us.

Posted by: Stupid Fucking Lib (D) at August 16, 2010 10:25 AM (ukBBI)

56 51
This is the Muslims wanting to commemorate the site of what, to them, was a great victory.





It really is that simple.





But the MFM, Obama, Dems and willful idiots (BIRM) will never say that.

Posted by: tsj017 at August 16, 2010 10:24 AM (4YUWF)
Of course they won't. Because that would undermine their insane narrative that Islam is the Religion of Peace.

Posted by: Mandy P. at August 16, 2010 10:26 AM (MK6Kx)

57 See BigPeace.com for something about the funding of the mosque.

Posted by: Mama AJ at August 16, 2010 10:26 AM (XdlcF)

58 Happy Holidays

Posted by: Captain FreedomOfReligion (D) at August 16, 2010 10:27 AM (ukBBI)

59 Posted by: chemjeff at August 16, 2010 10:23 AM (Pm5H

I don't think so. My reading of that is he was arguing the Democrats shouldn't go full libtard not because it would hurt Republicans but because it wouldn't work for the Democrats.

Both columns show he's concerned not with right/wrong but with the electoral fortunes of the Democrats.

Posted by: DrewM. at August 16, 2010 10:27 AM (X/Lqh)

60 Associated Press
Press Release From Norwegian Nobel Peace Prize Committee

"Having very briefly heard something about Mr. Obama's courageous/conflicting and self-serving statements on the topic, we have decided that POTUS and Hamas should be co-laureates for the 2011 Nobel Peace Prize.

For a POTUS to win the Peace Prize twice is unprecedented! For the leader of some Muzzie terrorist outfit to be awarded the Prize? Not such a big deal."

Posted by: Norwegian Nobel Committee at August 16, 2010 10:29 AM (w2++y)

61 ...he's concerned not with right/wrong but with the electoral fortunes of the Democrats.

Dont forget this (from Wikipedia):

In October 2004 the Drudge Report published a memo Halperin sent to ABC News staff about coverage of the U.S. presidential election directing them not to "reflexively and artificially hold both sides 'equally' accountable" and that both John Kerry and George W. Bush used "distortion" in their campaign, but that Kerry's distortions were not "central to his efforts to win."

Posted by: Kal at August 16, 2010 10:31 AM (qzoN5)

62 Hey, remember when the lefties didn't pick a fight over Bush's Axis of Evil line? Remember that?

And if someone hasn't already put the duct tape over Michael Steele's mouth--do so.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 16, 2010 10:32 AM (NvFZs)

63 okay, I guess I was giving him too much of the benefit of the doubt for being merely a coward


Posted by: chemjeff at August 16, 2010 10:33 AM (Pm5H8)

64 Is there any way I can get 25" python arms,uncontrollable rage,and back acne before a stint in federal prison?

Posted by: Beagle at August 16, 2010 10:33 AM (sOtz/)

65 Just call them racists.

Posted by: Journolister at August 16, 2010 10:33 AM (ukBBI)

66 Regarding the Hamas statement. It's Hamas; take it from where it comes and do'nt waste any more energy on it.
Regarding Mark Halperin's column: Well first off, the Democrats have their record to destroy them so this is just one more little item to add to that list.
However, where was this call for civility when you asswipes were destroying Sarah Palin?
If you want to enforce the rules, you need to play by the rules, otherwise IMHO all bets are off.

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Posted by: Radioactive Satellite Of LOVE at August 16, 2010 10:34 AM (LdYLm)

68 In addition Mr. Halperin:
Will you call your homies on Journolist to ask them to write similar columns?

Posted by: martha at August 16, 2010 10:35 AM (kFsTd)

69 The reaction since the President spoke has been vitriolic and unvarying from leading voices on the right, painting Obama as weak, naive, out of touch and obtuse (not to mention flip-flopping, after his confusing follow-up comments Saturday suggested to some that he might be hedging his position).
Nothing vitrolic about pointing out the truth. Obama is weak, naive, out of touch and obtuse. And I don't think it's really necessary to mention the fact that he flip-flops and gives confusing follow up comments, to which his much vaunted Press Secetary can only respond with, "I'll have to check on that and get back to you."
Have any of you worthless hacks in the mainstream media ever gotten a valid response to any question that Gibbs has deflected with the old, "let me check on that" dodge?
Please.

Posted by: StuckOnStupid at August 16, 2010 10:36 AM (e8T35)

70 I think BO is deliberately trying to provoke some sort of backlash. Why say anything. I think he has a martyr complex and wants to go down as the "Black" JFK.

Posted by: Radioactive Satellite Of LOVE at August 16, 2010 10:36 AM (LdYLm)

71 NYT: "While Mr. Obama has been unfairly thrust into the midst of this raging controversy, he nevertheless managed to pick up the much sought after, and enormously important endorsement of Hamas. An anonymous White House staffer gleefully explained: 'With this type of support, an important corner has been turned. The way we see it, what could go wrong from here?"

Posted by: New York Times at August 16, 2010 10:36 AM (w2++y)

72 Does this Administration disagree with Hamas on ANYTHING?

Posted by: Lincolntf at August 16, 2010 10:38 AM (BCzaE)

73 Church of the Nativity.

That says everything anyone needs to know about the issue of allowing muzzies to build mosques because of some sense of "religious freedom" (LOL - as if islam is any sort of a religion in the Western sense).

And you can throw the Buddha statues in, too. Or the Dome of the Rock over the only holy place on Earth to Jews, which muzzies lie about - as usual - and claim that there was never a temple built on the Temple mount. Or turning one of the greatest churches into a mosque in Constantinople. And on and on and on.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 16, 2010 10:38 AM (Qp4DT)

74 the misinformation about the center and its supporters

Actually, we have heard next to nil about who is financing this mosque or the backgrounds of the dirtbags pushing the mosque. You have to go out of your way to look for an NRO, Weekly Standard or Pajamas Media piece. What we do hear a lot about is how emotional this is for Mike Bloomberg, and how we are all racist religious bigots for opposing it.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 16, 2010 10:39 AM (mHQ7T)

75 73
Does this Administration disagree with Hamas on ANYTHING?


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Posted by: Roids! at August 16, 2010 10:39 AM (ukBBI)

77 Halprin made the awesomely awesome argument I hate so much. It goes:
"Don't speak ill of that great peaceful religion Islam. If you do you might make the moderates turn into head-chopping human bombs."
Which doesn't say much about their oft-cited moderates if you think about it.
Strangely, despite the neverending tu quoque arguments on Christianity from the same camp, they never worry about turning Christians into violent extremists. Nope. Not really anyway.
And you know all the same people would never allow an evangelical sky-scraping megachurch in Manhattan.

Posted by: Beagle at August 16, 2010 10:40 AM (sOtz/)

78 'Roid rage is there for the taking morons. Bulk up.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at August 16, 2010 10:41 AM (pcJe3)

79 So the answer to the "What do the Ground Zero Mosque and Barack Obama have in common?" riddle is

"Both were endorsed by Hamas" ?

Posted by: Olliander at August 16, 2010 10:41 AM (6uiF7)

80 Does this Administration disagree with Hamas on ANYTHING?
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 16, 2010 10:38 AM (BCzaE)

Yes. Hamas wanted $5 billion instead of the paltry $900 million that The Precedent gave them in one of his first treasonous acts in the White House.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 16, 2010 10:42 AM (Qp4DT)

81 Have any of you worthless hacks in the mainstream media ever gotten a
valid response to any question that Gibbs has deflected with the old,
"let me check on that" dodge?

Maureen Dowd is calling for his head this morning. I suspect that came from the White House, as in the President, and not the other White House who has no idea why the fuck he is siding with Hamas on the GZM.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 16, 2010 10:42 AM (mHQ7T)

82 Impeach. Repeal. Restore.

Posted by: DarkLordOfTheIntarWebs at August 16, 2010 10:43 AM (IkEhE)

83 Dear America,

Hello and allow me to say, "welcome to 1945." In the interest of fairness we ask you not to use you air, sea, and land superiority to smash our government. It would leave us with 2 options neither of which are good.

your friends,
Imperial Japan

Posted by: sven10077 at August 16, 2010 10:43 AM (kq1lG)

84
Heh. Geraghty. Another reminder that Democrats look down on everyone and consider the entire nation to be a nation of bigots.
Democrats should make it a campaign slogan. "Vote democrat. We elite D's think you are stupid bigots and we want to control you, but it's for your own good - and plus you hate George Bush, remember? Now pull the lever for big daddy Democrat, you stupid bigot"


How dare the nation not understand that Islam (radical and otherwise - root causes) is #1 top of the democrat victim list. Victory mosque at ground zero is legal, so shut up, bigots.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at August 16, 2010 10:44 AM (0fzsA)

85 they never worry about turning Christians into violent extremists. Nope. Not really anyway.

BUT TIMOTHY MCVEIGH!!11!!ELEVENTY!!

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 16, 2010 10:44 AM (mHQ7T)

86 That the orthodox church can't get permits to rebuild is a great counterpoint.

Posted by: Jean at August 16, 2010 10:45 AM (UfjJU)

87 Defense Secretary Robert Gates announced Monday he will retire by the end of 2011, Fox News confirmed.
\
Shit leave now asshole

Posted by: Lucifer at August 16, 2010 10:45 AM (0GFWk)

88 And don't be criticizing Maxine Waters and Charlie Rangel. Sure, they've been lying, cheating, and stealing for decades but any short term political advantage you reich wing knuckle draggers might incur would be outweighed by the harm done to America. And by America I mean the Democratic party.

Posted by: Mark Halperin at August 16, 2010 10:46 AM (xxgag)

89 Does being against the mosque's construction put our troops in greater danger like the Mohammad cartoons did ?

Posted by: denny crane at August 16, 2010 10:47 AM (I+7Zv)

90 By the way, there was an article on how AIG (owned by us the taxpayers) is now going to be "sharia compliant", which means charity funds from the company have to be donated to muslim charities (which of course fund terrorism).
Caribou Coffee is "sharia compliant" and has been for a number of years, ever since it was sold by its founders. Drink Starbucks!!!!!!

Posted by: Boots at August 16, 2010 10:49 AM (06JTY)

91 OT
Don't expect to see any MFM coverage of this.

Posted by: maddogg at August 16, 2010 10:49 AM (OlN4e)

92 The fact that liberals like Halperin are pleading for mercy show they know they are getting killed on this.

As they well should be. It would appear that this issue has finally awakened more than a few of the guilt-ridden, hand-wringing 52%ers. Most Dem politicians will sell their souls to the devil (literally, in this case) for the cause, and the mosque debacle just reinforces that fact.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at August 16, 2010 10:51 AM (554T5)

93 I'd like to officially announce my support for Isreal to start rebuilding the Temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem!

Posted by: Michael K. at August 16, 2010 10:52 AM (H6VxR)

94 HAHAHAHAHA.(idiot) Roger Ebert on Twitter (@ebertchicago),
"Thanks, Hamas, for supporting the mosque. That's really helpful".

Posted by: Dave in Texas at August 16, 2010 10:53 AM (WvXvd)

95 http://tinyurl.com/2c59nmh

Posted by: maddogg at August 16, 2010 10:53 AM (OlN4e)

96 Iam developing asausage product called Pig Dicks. My plan, should the Muzzie Monument to Mass Murder be completed, is to erect a billboard ON PRIVATE PROPERTY across from the entrance depicting an Arab-looking woman in a string bikini seductively eating the hot dog with the text saying Muslim Woman Love Pig Dicks.
It's my 1st Amendmentright, as is the freedom to worship..so you cannot argue whether it's proper for me to do so according to the Jug-Eared Idiot's logic

Posted by: beedubya at August 16, 2010 10:53 AM (AnTyA)

97 This is getting un-freekin'-believable. Heard a pig-fat Dem "consultant" (I think he's one of Hannity's "Great Americans," but am not certain) on the tube a while ago saying New Yorkers CAN'T block the GZ mosque.

Fuckin'-A we can....

We are in a war. For the Muzzies to build their Victory Palace at Ground Zero would be like letting the Germans put up a replica Brandenberg Gate in D.C. in, say, 1943.

We can do what we need to do to protect our country, if we have the balls to do it.

And I would like to remind Osama Obama and all his apologists, lickspittles and sycophants of the penalties mandated for treason.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 16, 2010 10:54 AM (Ulu3i)

98 The other thing that really annoys me about the Mosque debate: the same enlightened folks arguing that the Iman has a First Amendment right to freedom of religion to build the mosque will be the first people to scream about the imposition of religion the minute some high school starts their graduation ceremony with a watered down generic pray.

Posted by: Mallamutt at August 16, 2010 10:54 AM (OWjjx)

99 94
I'd like to officially announce my support for Isreal to start rebuilding the Temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem!

Posted by: Michael K. at August 16, 2010 10:52 AM (H6VxR)

Super! You have no idea how long I've been practicing for that occasion!

Posted by: Gabriel, warming up for his trumpet solo at August 16, 2010 10:54 AM (IkEhE)

100 Read between the lines on the Gates retirement announcement. By saying he does not want to wait until 2012 to leave, he is giving Barry a big vote of no confidence in a second term.

Posted by: Jean at August 16, 2010 10:55 AM (Ef5w3)

101 They were offered land elsewhere and didn't take it. Like someone else said here, don't be overly surprised if, in a few years, it's revealed that inside there's a shine to the ninteen at the exact spot the landing gear hit.

Posted by: Cincinnatus at August 16, 2010 10:56 AM (TGmQa)

102 It would appear that this issue has finally awakened more than a few of the guilt-ridden, hand-wringing 52%ers.

And it gives them great cover to renounce the idiot in chief they voted for. They might not of come out against anything he's done already but with this, they can....guilt free.

Posted by: Tami at August 16, 2010 10:57 AM (VuLos)

103 So I must have missed Halperin's column taking the side of Catholic Charities in MA about gay adoption. Since he's so big on religious freedom and all.

Posted by: alexthechick at August 16, 2010 10:57 AM (eRjGt)

104 You people crack me up ... awesome stuff

Posted by: Rob at August 16, 2010 10:57 AM (GvYeG)

105 @ 62...cut, jib, newsletters........free samples?

Posted by: Barry Bonds, Mark McGuire and Sammy Sosa at August 16, 2010 10:57 AM (OWjjx)

106 http://apathetic-usa.com/

Posted by: kansas at August 16, 2010 10:57 AM (mka2b)

107 Posted by: Boots at August 16, 2010 10:49 AM

There goes my morning jolt o' Caribou Coffee with a scoop of Ben Jerry's plopped on top!

AIG should be taken off the public teat and forced to comply with American law, as should all its crooked supporters in Congress.

New Constitutional amendment? No foreign law, religious or political, shall be adopted by Congress, the States, or any corporation operating within the United States.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 16, 2010 10:59 AM (Ulu3i)

108 the same enlightened folks arguing that the Iman
has a First Amendment right to freedom of religion to build the mosque
will be the first people to scream about the imposition of religion the
minute some high school starts their graduation ceremony with a watered
down generic pray.


Posted by: Mallamutt at August 16, 2010 10:54 AM (OWjjx)
And those same dipshits are cool with the Michigan football team holding practices from 11pm to 4am to accomodate the muzzies on the team and their joke of Ramadan.And they also support the building of foot baths everywhere to let the muzzies feel as though they are still in one of their third world shitholes ... which we will be soon, anyway. We've already got the third worlder, with an IQ of 84, a chip on his shoulder the size of Mt. Everest, and a burning hate of all things American that it would stun his buddy Chavez, in the White House. Not much more to go on for the full effect.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 16, 2010 11:00 AM (Qp4DT)

109 I read the Time story over at HA. What is this cocksucker smoking?

Talk about a whore. Please don't hurt our democrat friends. It would be sooo mean.

Trust us, we'll just put the head in.

Posted by: Kemp at August 16, 2010 11:01 AM (vSiVD)

110 If you take the time to read the Halperin article go ahead and click on the link to Pictures of Muslims in America. What do you get? An entire series with nothing but Sufis. This is roughly the equivalent of talking about the Christian religion and using pictures of Quakers exclusively to represent it.
A note to Halperin and Time: If you really expect us to pay attention to what you say stop trying to mislead of with the pictures that accompany it.

Posted by: Rocks at August 16, 2010 11:01 AM (Q1lie)

111 Defense Secretary Robert Gates announced Monday he will retire by the end of 2011, Fox News confirmed.

\

Shit leave now asshole

Best drawdown news I've heard in a long time.

Posted by: Bomber at August 16, 2010 11:01 AM (qzoN5)

112 96 http://tinyurl.com/2c59nmh
Posted by: maddogg at August 16, 2010 10:53 AM (OlN4e)
Yeesh...just think, Rangel and Jackson will more than likely survive their current actsmalfeasance; like cockroaches their survival skills are amazing.

Posted by: dananjcon at August 16, 2010 11:03 AM (pr+up)

113
HAHAHAHAHA.(idiot) Roger Ebert on Twitter (@ebertchicago),
"Thanks, Hamas, for supporting the mosque. That's really helpful".

Posted by: Dave in Texas


Hamas and the leftists are in alignment. Eat it, Roger.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at August 16, 2010 11:03 AM (0fzsA)

114 Halperin stinks of fear. His desperation inflames my lust for Democrat blood. The Democrats are just one cock-punch away from a total rout in November, and this is just the issue to do it.
FINISH THEM!

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 16, 2010 11:04 AM (5I/OY)

115 Also, Republicans, you should not point out that the nation has a 9.5% unemployment rate. That would just exploit people's anxiety and leave Democrats with no good options.

Posted by: Mark Halprin at August 16, 2010 11:05 AM (OWjjx)

116 BTW: Some squish reporter on Fucks News is reporting that the new meme from Osama Obama's co-conspirators has something to do with the Muzzies having the right to build their mosque, as the site is private land.

Hello? Con Edison?


Posted by: MrScribbler at August 16, 2010 11:05 AM (Ulu3i)

117 50 beagle, that is the strongest argument against this insult. "But the terrorists will win, if we refuse to build their victory mosque!" OBL was crystal clear in his declaration of war what he was setting out to accomplish. We have seized documents from some of the groups associated with the GZ mosque that they share the same goals. We now have Hamas coming out in support of it. There is no good reason to build it, and anyone can see what it symbolizes.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 16, 2010 11:06 AM (mHQ7T)

118 9
Anyone know where I can get a tanker truck filled with pig offal? I
wonder what the imams would say about a mosque built on land that was
liberally soaked with pig guts?

Most excellent idea, or better yet build a Strip club that sells BBQ next to it.

Posted by: Kemp at August 16, 2010 11:06 AM (vSiVD)

119 Hamas and the leftists are in alignment. Eat it, Roger.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at August 16, 2010 11:03 AM
He has lost a lot of weight of late. I wonder what program he used?

Posted by: Truck Monkey at August 16, 2010 11:07 AM (yQWNf)

120
Also, Republicans, you should not point out that the nation has a 9.5%
unemployment rate. That would just exploit people's anxiety and leave
Democrats with no good options.
Ohhh I'm sensing a good top ten list here. Let's see, what else?

Stop pointing out the Marie Antoinette would be embarrassed by Michelle's recent trips.


Posted by: alexthechick at August 16, 2010 11:08 AM (eRjGt)

121 He has lost a lot of weight of late. I wonder what program he used?
Posted by: Truck Monkey at August 16, 2010 11:07 AM (yQWNf)
Cancer?

Posted by: ErikW at August 16, 2010 11:08 AM (4S8fC)

122 He has lost a lot of weight of late. I wonder what program he used?
Didn't he use the I've got cancer program? Or were you being rhetorical?

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at August 16, 2010 11:09 AM (5aVkt)

123 He has lost a lot of weight of late. I wonder what program he used?


Posted by: Truck Monkey at August 16, 2010 11:07 AM (yQWNf)


I think he used the cancer program.

Posted by: Tami at August 16, 2010 11:09 AM (VuLos)

124 He has lost a lot of weight of late. I wonder what program he used?
It's called The Vagina Face Diet.
If you scare the shit out of food, it won't come anywhere near you.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 16, 2010 11:09 AM (5I/OY)

125 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 16, 2010 11:04 AM

I would believe this "desperation of Democrats" stuff if there was a mass public outcry for the Traitor-in-Chief's impeachment or, at a minimum, some discernible public disgust with what he and the Dems are doing.

Right now, with the sole "evidence" being up-and-down polls and some mild muttering from the blogoshpere (except here, where reality is more apparent), not so much.

The sheep will line up for their November shearing on schedule, I'm afraid.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 16, 2010 11:11 AM (Ulu3i)

126 Yes, the leftists are so concerned about freedom of religion.
As long as that religion isn't Christianity.

Posted by: RayJ at August 16, 2010 11:11 AM (//Bcg)

127 Since when have the left given a shit about private land, didn't Barry just have a meeting with greens - re: monuments and the expansion of federal parks and forests.

Posted by: Jean at August 16, 2010 11:12 AM (3Ds00)

128 Halperin--may the fleas of a thousand camels infest your sorry crotch! Why should we help you? What have you done for us lately (as opposed to say "to us")?

Posted by: Comanche Voter at August 16, 2010 11:13 AM (ktYjH)

129 I know what the next line of argument is going to be from the Democrats over this mosque issue:

"Republicans are keeping construction workers out of a job by opposing this Ground Zero Mosque."

Posted by: Ben at August 16, 2010 11:13 AM (wuv1c)

130 Since when have the left given a shit about private land, didn't Barry
just have a meeting with greens - re: monuments and the expansion of
federal parks and forests.
Jean,

You are unfairly asking for consistency. And that makes you a racist.


Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 16, 2010 11:13 AM (NvFZs)

131 @126 - you may be right. No one ever got rich from betting on the Republicans to show some balls.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 16, 2010 11:13 AM (5I/OY)

132 Further, Republican candidates should not point out that their opponet did not read the Health Care Bill before they voted for it. These Democrats would face 3 options, none of them very good 1) not listen to Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama, and face the snubbing of not being invited to theWhite House for high end beef and cocktails 2) try to actually read the bill, exposing that they have the reading level and comprehension of a 4th grader or 3) vote against it, and deny the country the glory of a flawed health care system.

Posted by: Mark Halprin at August 16, 2010 11:13 AM (OWjjx)

133 I was oozing sarcasm. Roger Ebert is a dickhead.
Also, Republicans, please don't mention anything about the Bush tax cuts expiring or the 2000 page, economy killing "health care" bill. Or the investors who got fucked over in the GM and Chrylser take overs or the pay disparity between public and private workers. Or the union bailouts that are soon to be municipality bailouts or Fannie and Freddie. Or the student loan takeover. I could go on.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at August 16, 2010 11:14 AM (yQWNf)

134 Republicans should not mention all the golf games during the oil spill or ask which party BP contributes to the most.They should also not mention the situation with Arizona.
These also make Democrats very uncomfortable, and the Republicans are clearly not engaging the public with anything other than smear tactics -- which is hateful and dirty pool.

Posted by: unknown jane at August 16, 2010 11:14 AM (5/yRG)

135 I'd always figured Gates saw his role as, well, gatekeeper; he figured he was the last adult in the administration, and if he left we'd have another Proxmire, or worse.

So what's he saying by leaving in 2011? The new Congress will prevent the worst of the harm? He's not willing to go up in front of a GOP Congress and defend this administration? Or the situation is so utterly effed up that he can't help anymore?

Posted by: JEM at August 16, 2010 11:14 AM (o+SC1)

136 Or Judaism.

Posted by: RayJ at August 16, 2010 11:14 AM (//Bcg)

137 "We have to build everywhere," said Mahmoud al-Zahar, a co-founder of Hamas and the organization's chief on the Gaza Strip.
Yeah, If you build it they will come. These fuckwads know exactly whar they are doing. New York will resemble Denmark Dearborn by the time wehand theswimmerhis walking papers.
http://tinyurl.com/2bmrqyy

Posted by: dananjcon at August 16, 2010 11:15 AM (pr+up)

138 Empire of Jeff, your beatle rant was fucking killer!




Posted by: Berserker at August 16, 2010 11:15 AM (gWHrG)

139 "Republicans are keeping construction workers out of a job by opposing this Ground Zero Mosque."

Posted by: Ben at August 16, 2010 11:13 AM (wuv1c)
That'll only work until the hard hats show up to protest.

Posted by: Tami at August 16, 2010 11:15 AM (VuLos)

140 128 15 million or so acres of private land grabbed by our government.

Posted by: unknown jane at August 16, 2010 11:16 AM (5/yRG)

141 And for goodness sakes, Republicans, do not mention that 1.4 trillion dollar deficet for the year....that would be mean and undermine the summer of recovery!

Posted by: Mark Halprin at August 16, 2010 11:16 AM (OWjjx)

142 There is no such this as private land in Manhattan anymore. You can't build crap without permission from 900 boards and whatever. Officials in New York routinely hold up approval for things to get people to go away...or pay up.

If a bunch of hippies can keep a sports stadium out of the west side then 2/3s of residents should have some say in whether a huge Mosque gets built within shouting distance of Ground Zero.

Posted by: Rocks at August 16, 2010 11:16 AM (Q1lie)

143 Sweep the leg.

Posted by: toby928 at August 16, 2010 11:17 AM (S5YRY)

144 Please don't do it.
Gosh Mark, when we oppose any Obama policy,you slander us asjust a bunch of ignorant rednecks who never do anything out of principle, only out of racism, ignorance, envy of our betters (like you), and paranoia. You pervert your vaunted role of pubolic guardians to trash the lives of fine men and women on our side, simply because they pose an attractive and substantive threat to your political favorites.
Nowyou in the media and the Democrats (birm) now want us to do something to get you out of a political jam (Yes - you have now as much as admitted this has nothing to do with religous freedom), so you are suddenly appealing toa better side of us that you churlishly deny even exists?
Let me explain to you more succinctly, Mark: Fuck You.
ps. You have probably never met one of us who knows the word "churlish" before Mark, but it fits little shits like you so perfectly.

Posted by: sherlock at August 16, 2010 11:18 AM (G9/8V)

145 You know, the point about Obama voting present is the more central one, but I wonder if he'd have voted present if a fundamentalist church was being build on ground zero (I'm tired of being saying 2 blocks from Ground Zero when it's IN Ground Zero).

Some kind of church whose idea is that they are victorious over Islam, and Muslims should submit to Jesus (I know, silly).

Obama would call that church unwise. In fact, if the church was incendiary enough, the DOJ might even step in, but at the very least a criticism would be offered.

Posted by: 350 Pound Boy at August 16, 2010 11:19 AM (dUOK+)

146 Dear America,Hello and allow me to say, "welcome to 1864." In the interest of fairness we ask you not to use the current squabble to advance partisan interests. It would leave us with 2 options neither of which are good.your friends,The Confederates States of America

Posted by: Clement Valligham at August 16, 2010 11:20 AM (R2fpr)

147 Need to start a movement where everyone who is opposed to the mosque who happens to be in NYC, buy a pound of bacon and throw it on the site.

Posted by: TC at August 16, 2010 11:21 AM (DYJjQ)

148 They ain't getting killed in Kansas City, because if your only news is from the McClatchy rag, the Star, then you wouldn't know about it. Today, not one word.

Posted by: kansas at August 16, 2010 11:23 AM (mka2b)

149 I wonder if the Westboro Baptist Church could find a property in lower Manhattan for a satellite location. Barky McFuckstick would come out in favor of it. Right?

Posted by: Truck Monkey at August 16, 2010 11:23 AM (yQWNf)

150 Hamas is so brave and principled for supporting this mosque, just like Obama is.

Posted by: Liberal journalist at August 16, 2010 11:24 AM (ovmz4)

151 The problem with New York is that it's full of New Yorkers.
The only way they would be roused to put their foot down and stop a construction project is if Wal-Mart proposed to build a store in Manhattan.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff the Longshanks at August 16, 2010 11:25 AM (5I/OY)

152 Posted by: unknown jane at August 16, 2010 11:16 AM

I noticed that Michelle Malkin is stamping her little foot in outrageous outrage about this today.

I wish people would simply make the connection and realize that this is only a part of Osama Obama's power grabbing policies. By itself, it doesn't mean that much -- most modern presidents have tried to take public land for parks, wilderness areas, etc. -- but when figured into the Traitor-in-Chief's overall vision for the country, it takes on significance.

But the answer is not to take the Chicago Jesus to court over this as if he actually considered himself bound by our legal system.

It is, sadly, a relatively trivial issue when compared to all the other shit raining down right now.

Head, snake, knife, and all that.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 16, 2010 11:26 AM (Ulu3i)

153 Democratic Socialists of America

These folks gotta go. If pinning the GZVM on them gets 'em voted out, so be it. This might just be the silver bullet.

Posted by: sTevo at August 16, 2010 11:26 AM (7eCNP)

154
When it comes to Obama's Kinsley moment regarding the mosque, his law professor's attempt to finesse an argument in favor of nice ivory-tower leftist principles instead of real-world circumstance, and the political blowback therefrom, one is reminded of Talleyrand's remark regarding Napoleon having ordering the cross-border snatch-and-grab murder of an emigre noble.

"It's worse than a crime, it's a blunder."

In this case, it's not just that Obama's shown yet again how far he is from the American political mainstream, but that he did so without benefit of minion or mouthpiece; the words came out of his own mouth.

We're used to this White House anonymously disowning the words of its paid lackeys (anyone heard from Hillary lately?) but this is the first time I can recall that the lackeys anonymously disowned the words of the boss.

Posted by: JEM at August 16, 2010 11:26 AM (o+SC1)

155 This is one of those moments that has gone beyond parody. What could be more absurd? Suppose Barry had issued an order to send the Iranians some nuclear technology, using the excuse that he's supporting green energy in the developing world? The action would be just as much of a non-sequitur, just as clearly repugnant to the nation, and every leftard elitist would be backing it with equal pretzel logic, like Mark "Dhimmi" Halperin. Amazing.

But remember, Barry is a brilliant man. His intelligence is beyond question. Even some conservatives tell us that.

Posted by: George Orwell at August 16, 2010 11:28 AM (AZGON)

156 You know we haven't heard a word from the NYC trade unions. Or the Police unions or the Fire Unions.

Think they'll weigh in on this? Bet Mark won't like what they have to say.

This is going to be fun, more popcorn please.

Posted by: Kemp at August 16, 2010 11:29 AM (vSiVD)

157 153
The problem with New York is that it's full of New Yorkers.
True Dat. Only state NOT to approve the Declaration of Independence?


New York

Posted by: Kemp at August 16, 2010 11:32 AM (vSiVD)

158 If a bunch of hippies can keep a sports stadium out
of the west side then 2/3s of residents should have some say in whether
a huge Mosque gets built within shouting muezzin distance of Ground Zero.


Posted by: Rocks at August 16, 2010 11:16 AM (Q1lie)
Perfect.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 16, 2010 11:33 AM (Qp4DT)

159 I've often said that Democrats are inherently doomed as a party (not in
finality, but from one election cycle to the next) because they can't
keep a coalition of special interests together for more than 4 years.
They manage to piss off someone, at some point, to the extent that
enough of their candidates lose elections to make them lose overall
power.Of course, Republicans always manage to hand power back to them, but it's nice to know Democrat power is finite and limited.

A coalition of the Ku Klux Klan and the NAACP - both of which represent substantial factions of the Democratic party is not a stable structure nor do either of these groups have anything to do with Liberal College Professors or the Gay and Lesbian alliance or Illegal Aliens, The Dead Voter alliance, The Gullible Young, The Hollywood Elite, Aging Hippies, The MSM, Communists, Unions, European Group thinkers, Loud Mouth Beta Males and the other malcontents and ne'er-do-wells who collectively comprise the Demonrat party. In fact none of these losers have anything to do with each other except their firm conviction that under no circumstances can the running of the country be left to the majority of hard working decent people.

So yes - their coalition is an explosive mixture which fortunately periodically self destructs from its own internal contradictions. That explosive mixture needs a good occasional shaking.... Say, did you Klan guys hear what the Black Panthers said about you last week at their secret meeting with the Gays and Lesbians?


Posted by: An Observation at August 16, 2010 11:33 AM (ylhEn)

160 R. evolution.
Some assembly required.

Posted by: andycanuck at August 16, 2010 11:33 AM (xmEXV)

161 #147

Polynikes,

Get a prefrontal lobotomy. It will help you with the nuance.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (formerly NJConservative) at August 16, 2010 11:34 AM (LH6ir)

162 Another entry in the "fuck Roger Ebert" file. Look at this other whiny fucking twitt:
"Sen. John Cornyn was willfully evil, pretending on Fox News today that Alvin Greene is a real Democratic candidate."
He IS the Democratic candidate, you fucking RACIST. What, a black man can't be a Democrat Senator if unless he has an IQ above 15 and conforms to your bullshit "don't show random college girls porn and try to put your dick on their cheek" Puritan morality?
Smell the glove, Roger. Fucking smell it! I love the perpetual look of surprise on your face. Great practice for when I baby-powder my pimp hand and put four across your vagina mouth.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff the Longshanks at August 16, 2010 11:35 AM (5I/OY)

163 Dear Colonies,

Hello and allow me to say, "welcome to 1782." In
the interest of fairness, we humbly request you not use the current unfortunate ongoing dispute to
advance your own political interests. It would leave us with 2 options, neither of
which I daresay are good.

Cordially,
Lord North, Prime Minister to H.M. George III

Posted by: DarkLordOfTheIntarWebs at August 16, 2010 11:36 AM (IkEhE)

164 ABC this morning basically did a Google earth map that showed- ready for it!- a strip club and OTB within 2 blocks of the WTC.

When 19 strippers hijack two planes and ram them into the ABC headquarters in Manhattan, get back to me.

Posted by: George Orwell at August 16, 2010 11:36 AM (AZGON)

165 But remember, Barry is a brilliant man. His intelligence is beyond question. Even some conservatives tell us that.

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Posted by: John Maverick McCain at August 16, 2010 11:36 AM (/jbAw)

166 Those who stay in America should be open to society without melting, keeping Mosques open so anyone can come and learn about Islam. If you choose to live here, you have a responsibility to deliver the message of Islam ... Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth.-Omar Ahmad, Co-Founder of the Council on American-Islamic Relations

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Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (formerly NJConservative) at August 16, 2010 11:39 AM (LH6ir)

170 Halperin is just voicing the opinion of the Democrat Ruling Class: not only are we entitled to win, we shouldn't even have to work to do so. We heard it long ago at Paul Wellstone's "memorial", when Rick Kahn insisted the Republicans should "do the right thing" and throw the election to the Democrats.

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at August 16, 2010 11:40 AM (CPdUf)

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Posted by: ErikW at August 16, 2010 11:42 AM (vOAmW)

172 I noticed that Michelle Malkin is stamping her little foot in outrageous outrage about this today. ,/i> If she would put a webcam on that with some appropriate footware - her numbers would double.

Posted by: Jean at August 16, 2010 11:42 AM (2w7HE)

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P.S. Your note expressing congratulations on my recent promotion to Field Marshal was most warmly received. The act of shooting down the aircraft that was to airdrop my Marshal's baton was contrary to that, and is indicitive of my theme expressed above.

Posted by: Blue Hen at August 16, 2010 11:43 AM (R2fpr)

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Go to hell. You don't know the whole story.

Posted by: This Bean Bitch at August 16, 2010 11:47 AM (vOAmW)

175 Time's photo essay was interesting, and full of crap, too. All the U.S. Muslims are apparently fundamental, wearing the hijab! But of course, denying women of independent is okay, as long as you are foreign and exotic and romantic.

In France, the majority of Muslim women reject the hijab and are happy France banned it in public places. Time's propaganda for the wrong side is why they are dying.


Posted by: PJ at August 16, 2010 11:47 AM (Fyjeu)

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Public Broadcasting."


Is that what's got you down, bucky?

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Why not call it "Piss Koran?"

Posted by: George Orwell at August 16, 2010 11:54 AM (AZGON)

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It's called The Vagina Face Diet.
If you scare the shit out of food, it won't come anywhere near you.

Whatever program Ebert used, it was jaw-droppingly effective.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 16, 2010 11:54 AM (P9+0W)

182 In France, the majority of Muslim women reject the hijab and are happy France banned it in public places.

Interesting thing about the hijab:
(1) I see it everywhere now. I didn't a decade ago and I lived on a college campus.
(2) It is proof positive that Muslims are not being discriminated against or harassed. It's practically a big fat sign that says I am Muslim and if they feared retribution, they wouldn't wear it in public.
(3) It is a signal of defiance. They want you to notice.
(4) I do think that most women hate it, but they are slaves to the men and there is way too much male pressure for them to ever think of saying no.

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Posted by: ya2daup at August 16, 2010 11:58 AM (FcKXR)

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Posted by: ya2daup at August 16, 2010 12:00 PM (FcKXR)

185 There goes my morning jolt o' Caribou Coffee with a scoop of Ben & Jerry's plopped on top!
Caribou's business model is "Muslims and leftists need a place to buy coffee without financing International Jewry." Why the hell were you going there?
Do people not know this? Look who's at the store.

Posted by: oblig. at August 16, 2010 12:04 PM (x7Ao8)

186 154I disagree; I've never seen the grab of private lands to be a small matter -- I've never been happy when R's do it either. Property rights is a big deal imho.
In fact, property rights is starting to become one of the memes with this damned mosque, now isn't it? I consider it a bit of a "tell" -- the donks always seem to give them; they can't seem to resist leaving little clues about the next screwing they're going to give us is.

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I wonder, if you slapped the taste out of Ebert's mouth, how long would it take the unsupported flap of skin to stop oscillating?
yeah, I went there. I'm done caring.

Posted by: Unclefacts, AoSHQ Pro Debate Squad, And Summoner Of Meteors. at August 16, 2010 12:05 PM (eCAn3)

188 The real response to this tragedy should be to boycott NYC and the rest of the state. Give em the ol' Arizona treatment.

Posted by: booter at August 16, 2010 12:05 PM (eimUK)

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The real response to this tragedy should be to boycott NYC and the rest of the state. Give em the ol' Arizona treatment.



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don't make the mistake of equating NYC with the rest of us upstate.

Posted by: Unclefacts, AoSHQ Pro Debate Squad, And Summoner Of Meteors. at August 16, 2010 12:06 PM (eCAn3)

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Posted by: unknown jane at August 16, 2010 12:07 PM (5/yRG)

191 Hey Uncle Facts: two in the pink and one in Roger's feeding tube. THAT'S the Chicago way.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 16, 2010 12:11 PM (PFfns)

192 Thanks, Hamas, for supporting the mosque. That's really helpful.

Too bad Ebert didn't die instead of Siskel. Note that he's not worried about (or probably even thinking about) why Hamas might be supporting the mosque. Only beating those Rethuglicans. And he's willing to try to coordinate with Hamas to do it.

Die!

Posted by: FUBAR at August 16, 2010 12:11 PM (LPL4Z)

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Hey Uncle Facts: two in the pink and one in Roger's feeding tube. THAT'S the Chicago way.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 16, 2010 12:11 PM (PFfns)

Ebert reminds me of Zoidburg from Futurama, only Zoidburb isn't nearly so hideous.

Posted by: Unclefacts, AoSHQ Pro Debate Squad, And Summoner Of Meteors. at August 16, 2010 12:15 PM (eCAn3)

194
Florida Governor Charlie Crist said:
'I think [Obama's] right - I mean you know we're a country that in my view
stands for freedom of religion and respect for others.

'I know there are sensitivities and
I understand them. This is a place where you're supposed to be able to
practice your religion without the government telling you you can't.'
Daily Mail UK 10 16 2010

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 16, 2010 12:22 PM (PBNpM)

195 make that 8 16 2010.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 16, 2010 12:23 PM (PBNpM)

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Posted by: Lemon Kitten at August 16, 2010 12:27 PM (0fzsA)

197 Piss on the Koran day perhaps?

Posted by: NotAMolly at August 16, 2010 12:33 PM (ADJFU)

198 Obama's policies overall, but his belated commentary on religious freedoms clearly was not done for political gain

Yes, it was. And then, he realized the momentum was not on his side and backtracked. But it was clearly an effort to move something in a direction he wanted it to go. It was an attempt at a bridgehead and an attempt for some recognition as "the man who speaks the great thoughts." Therefore, it was for political gain. Just not Democratic Fall 2010 election political gain.

It was an attempt that failed. But it was an attempt.

Posted by: No-strawman-damus at August 16, 2010 12:41 PM (tocFM)

199 This just in: Al Queda also in firm support of the mosque.

Posted by: rdbrewer at August 16, 2010 12:50 PM (VNdDa)

200 From the wires: Ahmadinejad Supports Mosque.

Posted by: rdbrewer at August 16, 2010 12:51 PM (VNdDa)

201 From the NYT: "Tollybon: Count Us In!"

Posted by: rdbrewer at August 16, 2010 12:53 PM (VNdDa)

202 From AFP: "Bin Laden: 'Sounds Good To Me'"

Posted by: rdbrewer at August 16, 2010 12:54 PM (VNdDa)

203 According to Prince Charles: "I rather like it."

Posted by: rdbrewer at August 16, 2010 12:55 PM (VNdDa)

204 Mayor Bloomberg: "I stand firmly with those who would destroy this country."

Posted by: rdbrewer at August 16, 2010 12:56 PM (VNdDa)

205 It's amazing how someone can jab a stick in a hornets nest and then complain about getting stung. This issue is by it's very nature incendiary and wrought with powerful emotions. 3000 innocent people died at the WTC attack. People threw themselves off the building rather than burn to death and we all watched this happen before our eyes. Surely the President could not have been so clueless as not to anticipate that his words would have a effect like gasoline on a fire? Didn't he already have the experience of what might happen when he made his comments that lead to the "beer summit"? And that was a minuscule matter when compared to this. We as Americans love our Constitution and the freedoms it guarantees and live peacefully in our communities and work places with people of all different faiths and ethnicities everyday all across this country. It would have been nice if the President of the United States had acknowledged this about the people who elected him before he embarked on his lecture about the value of religious tolerance. It also would have been nice if he had shown some kind of true empathy for those who lost loved ones in 9-11 attack. Does he remember the pictures pinned on walls in desperate hope that someone might have seen a husband, a wife, a mother, a father, a sister or brother alive?

Posted by: Spado Potato at August 16, 2010 01:24 PM (dvpKF)

206 I'm truly astonished that Ebert would recognize that a Hamas endorsement is a bad thing.

Posted by: Kensington at August 16, 2010 01:42 PM (mEyVv)

207
Did you see the titles of the stories in the left sidebar on the Time website? Those people are nucking futz!

Posted by: Moi at August 16, 2010 02:00 PM (Ez4Ql)

208 "People threw themselves off the building rather than burn to death and we all watched this happen before our eyes. "

I didn't. I was in my office without access to television playing internet warrior. Afterwards, I was too damn depressed. At the one year anniversary, I planned to watch the re-airing of the footage. But whadda ya know, the mother fucking media decided to censor it. I hate those sons of bitches almost as much as I hate the 9/11 murderers. No. I hate them just as much because they are Americans and they are not supposed to be on the side of the killers of Americans. Bastards.

Posted by: Moi at August 16, 2010 02:06 PM (Ez4Ql)

209
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Posted by: moi at August 16, 2010 02:35 PM (Ez4Ql)

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Posted by: moi at August 16, 2010 02:36 PM (Ez4Ql)

211 It's not that they mind the Hamas endorsement, it's just inopportune.Read the Douhat column in the Times for why never to follow the advice of a Times Republican.

Posted by: ed at August 16, 2010 02:47 PM (Urhve)

212 John Meacham and Mark Halperin are fighting each
other to be first to the Obama altar to stroke HIS
codpiece in His hour of need. Pretty soon they'll
resort to flinging exfollient skin products at each
other. Both have met Obama's hemorrhoids face-to
face andknow all six on a first-name basis.

Posted by: grizzlybare at August 16, 2010 03:12 PM (PtLfz)

213 Halperin is a complete political hack, his record is obvious, and only the mass perfidy of the MFM lets the loser keep his job mealy-mouthing his whining cries for something, anything to save his party from its own self-destructive impulses.

But, because he's a partisan hack, he can't criticize his own party - the best thing he can do is implore the opposition to "please let us win!"

How about "no," will that work?

Posted by: Merovign, Strong on His Mountain at August 16, 2010 03:19 PM (bxiXv)

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Maybe David Westin and ABC News should think about making him part of the team.

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pictures which display the watch details such as markings, engravings,
materials and dial face features. Everyone wants to buy an imitation
with high grade leather strap or stainless steel bracelet. Usually
speaking, the quality Rolex Replica
is made up of sapphire crystal glass and Swiss made movement so that
the durability and time accuracy are ensured.

Secondly, make sure that you are buying from a reliable source. It
should be evaluated before you make a choice on the style. As far as we
know, there are a large number of dealers who are doing the similar
business. At a temporary time, it is impossible to have a thorough
knowledge about all of them. Thus, you are recommended to search as much
information as you can to evaluate its reputation. For a good Rolex Daytona,
it always comes with available telephone number which can be used for
consultant or online services. What is more, the trustworthy website
guarantees periodical refund for quality issue Swiss Replica Omega.
According to my experience, the best way is to check the customer
satisfaction including the positive and negative feedbacks from the
previous buyers.

Posted by: tian at July 13, 2011 05:34 AM (FBHr2)

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