Debating Trig Trutherism

At the Journolist. The Daily Caller has the raw emails.

A sample, from Ryan Donmoyer, "objective" journalist:

Again, statistically speaking, I believe it is highly more likely that a teen mother would have a child with Downs than it is for a 44-year-old woman to conceive without fertility help.
As far as I can tell, the following is the circumstantial evidence, and not all of it is vetted:
1) Sarah Palin doesn’t look even remotely pregnant in photographs that are supposed to be her third trimester.
2) The state of Alaska yesterday removed official photographs of her the months that coincide with her third trimester.
3) Her staff was surprised to find out she was pregnant when she announced at 7 months.
4) Her teenage daughter disappeared from school for months, claiming mono during the time that coincided with her third trimester.
5) She opted to take a long flight after her water broke which probably isn’t consistent with anything any doctor would recommend. (But her daughter might have needed her).
6) She returned to work 3 days after the baby was born.
7) In undated photos, the daughter looks like she definitely could be pregnant. People who saw the daughter yesterday tell me that she def looks like she could be post-partum.
8 ) It’s far more likely for a teenager to have a child with Downs Syndrome than it is for a 43-year-old woman to conceive naturally.
9) Supposedly, the baby’s grandparents refused to issue any kind of statement when the baby was born, for whatever little that’s worth.

There was some pushback, but overall many of those participating in the conversation seemed to think the idea that Palin was covering up her daughter's pregnancy was, as the Mythbusters might say...plausible.

The thread also contains some important parenting advice from Dylan Matthews, whose name matches that of a researcher for the Washington Post.

I understand the impulse to dismiss this as non-news. But assuming the baby is Sarah Palin’s, her conduct was the equivalent of punching herself in the stomach. It’s gross, gross negligence. I still remember when a family friend delivered her baby, knowing from the amnio that it had Down’s, and the surgeries went on for days. The baby was declared dead, revived, etc., etc. It’s a horrendous process. It was hard enough for her at Dartmouth-Hitchcock, the best hospital in NE north of Boston, but doing that in Wasilla? Doing it in Wasilla when she very well could have stayed in Dallas? That offends me. That sort of thing warrants a social services call.
So I’m inclined to believe that the girl’s the daughter’s, because Palin is an absolutely wretched parent otherwise. Believing it’s the daughter is probably the most flattering possible angle here.

Remember, though, Journolist is just boring shop talk. Nothing to see here.

If nothing else, this thread exposes the total contempt many in the media had for Sarah Palin. They were perfectly willing to believe the worst of a woman they had only known of for a short time. The only reason for their hatred was that Palin threatened the political fortunes of the guy they hoped would be elected president.

I've always wondered why Andrew Sullivan kept on the Trig story, even after the election. Now we know - it seems Trig Trutherism was kind of the norm among his peers. Sullivan was just more open with his conspiracy theory-mongering.

Posted by: Slublog at 11:09 AM

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1 I will take it upon myself to solve this once and for all.

Sarah, I'm going to need you to take off all your clothes.

Posted by: Ben at July 26, 2010 11:11 AM (wuv1c)

2 I dunno. There are words with more heft. Some start with "f". But, somehow, "vile" seems the best fit.
Odious?
Slimy? Naw. Too juvenile.
Vile.

Posted by: Richard Aubrey at July 26, 2010 11:11 AM (VZaFk)

3 Where was Trig when WTC 7 fell?

Posted by: Ben at July 26, 2010 11:12 AM (wuv1c)

4 Wow, looks like Sullivan gave up the Trig Beat a day too early.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 26, 2010 11:12 AM (X/Lqh)

5 oo that just popped into my head. I wonder if any of the Journalisters are Truthers.

That will make for interesting reading..

Posted by: Ben at July 26, 2010 11:12 AM (wuv1c)

6 3
Where was Trig when WTC 7 fell?

Posted by: Ben at July 26, 2010 11:12 AM (wuv1c)

I agree... and was Trig on the grassy knoll?

Posted by: Timbo at July 26, 2010 11:13 AM (ph9vn)

7 Downs Syndrome is rare in teenage births. It is common in 44 year olds! And plenty of 44 year old women have unassisted conception and pregnancy. A simple internet search will provide the data.

This is the stupidity of a journalism school grad who thinks that he is far, far smarter than he actually is.

Posted by: NJConservative at July 26, 2010 11:13 AM (LH6ir)

8 Again, statistically speaking, I believe it is highly more likely that
a teen mother would have a child with Downs than it is for a
44-year-old woman to conceive without fertility help.

Just because you 'believe it' doesn't make it so. As a matter of fact, that's one of the most stupid statements I've ever heard.

Posted by: Tami at July 26, 2010 11:14 AM (VuLos)

9 And notice the complete reliance on a false assumption -- the probabilities of a teenager having a Down's Syndrome baby versus a 40-something conceiving.

These people aren't just vile -- they're ignorant.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at July 26, 2010 11:14 AM (ZJ/un)

10
I wonder if any of the Journalisters are Truthers.
The arguments over MIHOP and LIHOP should make for interesting reading.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at July 26, 2010 11:15 AM (ZJ/un)

11 I have a question.
Am I the only person who thinks this whole issue will come to an apex with Andrew Sullivan attempting to abduct Trig?
I really think we will be reading an article in the future titled, "Atlantic Blogger Arrested in Attempted Abduction of Politicians Child"

Posted by: Ben at July 26, 2010 11:17 AM (wuv1c)

12
I don't need definitive truth. I have a hunch. I'm a Trig Truther. You may proudly place me along side the 9/11 Truthers, Michael Moore morons, the wishful-thinking Obama Birther nerds and the moon-landing-was-faked crowd.

Now stop digging into the Journolist, or I'll yell "Torture".

Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at July 26, 2010 11:18 AM (0fzsA)

13 I believe, statistically speaking, that it is more likely that Trig Palin faked the Apollo moon landings than we will ever find a lefty with a functioning brain.

On this front, check the irony meter busting column from E.J. Effing Dionne in the WaPo today that breathlessly castigates the right (i.e., Fox) for propaganda and not news. Was that douchebag one of the listies?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 26, 2010 11:18 AM (NvFZs)

14 Down syndrome increases when the mother is over 35... that's why all moms over 35 get amnio tests. Moms under 35 do not.

As far as flying home... She had 4 other children..and she is from Alaska.. she could have birthed the baby all on her own. Libs cant imagine woman that tough.

Posted by: Timbo at July 26, 2010 11:19 AM (ph9vn)

15
I don’t know about you guys, but I think we should let the left have these kind of ridiculous, intellectually empty stories. Let them waste what ever intellectual capital they have left on them. In fact, if there is a way to do it, we should encourage them to spend their time on them.

We waste out energy responding to, or countering their absurd arguments, imo.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at July 26, 2010 11:19 AM (RkRxq)

16 +1 for the comments about older women being more likely to have a baby with Down's. It's interesting that apparently none of the other correspondents on the list knew this, either.

Posted by: PersonFromPorlock at July 26, 2010 11:20 AM (HdxfL)

17 Oh, and the best part - because Palin didn't give birth according to the Northeastern Liberal Approved Method, that means Palin is a terrible mom. The arrogance of these twats reaches eleventy.

Posted by: chemjeff at July 26, 2010 11:21 AM (Ps41e)

18 I've wondered if there's a conservative analogue to Journolist, and am now convinced there must be.

Every time focus sharpens on the racist and treasonous actions of the Osama Obama regime, some "pundit" drags out another Palin so-called story, thus drawing attention away from the important stuff and getting back on trivia, where they can natter away freely, unencumbered by any responsibility except typing in links correctly.

Someone, somewhere in Conservative Central has to be behind this. It happens constantly at Tepid Air, and apparently now here.

I don't give a shit about Trig, Track, Truck, Dogsled, or any of the other Palin children. Nor, frankly, do I give a damn about Palin herself, at least until the she stands up and renounces the Trailer-Trash Media. Watching her saga is worse than watching Huckabee on his TV show singing and playing with some tenth-rate country band or palling around with Zombie Robin Leach.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 26, 2010 11:21 AM (Ulu3i)

19 trigg was born in apr 2008 and tripp in dec 2008.....so how could bristol give birth to both full term babies with in six months of each other?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at July 26, 2010 11:21 AM (eOXTH)

20 16
+1 for the comments about older women being more likely to have a baby
with Down's. It's interesting that apparently none of the other
correspondents on the list knew this, either.

Oh they knew it. They were trying to grasp at some straw on how to bring down Palin.

Posted by: chemjeff at July 26, 2010 11:22 AM (Ps41e)

21 Eh, many of them had sense, from the several pages I read, and were quick to tell the others what they were missing.
I liked the one that said that it seems very unlikely, but then so did the idea that John Edwards had an affair and a child while running for president.
They were going on about younger women having more babies than older women and therefore most Downs syndrome babies being born to younger women.

Posted by: Mama AJ at July 26, 2010 11:22 AM (XdlcF)

22 This does not matter. What matters is...its Monday, which one of you crackas gonna apologize to me today.

Posted by: Ms. Sharrod at July 26, 2010 11:23 AM (OWjjx)

23 19
trigg was born in apr 2008 and tripp in dec 2008.....so how could
bristol give birth to both full term babies with in six months of each
other?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at July 26, 2010 11:21 AM (eOXTH)
Why let the truth get in the way of a good conspiracy story.

Posted by: Timbo at July 26, 2010 11:24 AM (ph9vn)

24 You have to understand the minds of liberals. They really believe they are the smartest people in the room. So when a threatening conservative woman like Palin appears, they concoct some story about how she must be illegitimate, a bad mom, a terrible person, etc., and they will actually delude themselves into thinking their story is absolutely unquestionably right. And because they are the smartest people in the room (in their world), nobody else has the authority to tell them otherwise. It is an exercise in psychosis if you ask me.

Posted by: chemjeff at July 26, 2010 11:24 AM (Ps41e)

25 trigg was born in apr 2008 and tripp in dec 2008.....so how could bristol give birth to both full term babies with in six months of each other?
why are your trusting your lying brain?

Posted by: dudeinsantacruz at July 26, 2010 11:25 AM (SfDpg)

26 so how could bristol give birth to both full term babies with in six months of each other?
Oh, that's an easy one. She took special pills that only pro-life conservative women know about. They give you a SuperUterus, even if you're a guy.

Posted by: kallisto at July 26, 2010 11:25 AM (+FkcS)

27 They were perfectly willing to believe the
worst of a woman they had only known of for a short time. The only
reason for their hatred was that Palin threatened the political fortunes
of the guy they hoped would be elected president.

Excellent point. They knew her all of one day. On August 29th, put her in front of these same vermin without a party tag and she is a moderate, strong woman, good role-model, common-sense governor. On August 30th, she is worst person in the world - though most of them could not probably name 5 facts about her.

I hate these fucking people.

Posted by: IreneFingIrene at July 26, 2010 11:26 AM (JNqU9)

28 They give you a SuperUterus, even if you're a guy.

I take mine out for walks.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 26, 2010 11:26 AM (NvFZs)

29 trigg was born in apr 2008 and tripp in dec
2008.....so how could bristol give birth to both full term babies with
in six months of each other?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at July 26, 2010 11:21 AM (eOXTH)
Just wait...soon they'll tell us that Tripp is Willow's baby.

Posted by: Tami at July 26, 2010 11:27 AM (VuLos)

30 I've actually seen it happen in conversations with liberals - I will start some argument and then slowly change it so that at the end I'm actually arguing the liberal position of the issue, but my liberal opponent will continue to not just object and disagree with me, but talk down to me and call me stupid for my ideas (which are actually THEIR ideas). It is worth a laugh.

Posted by: chemjeff at July 26, 2010 11:27 AM (Ps41e)

31 If this is really what the so-called elite of journolism was worried about in the Summer of 2008, it explains alot of why are we are collectively boned.
These institutions can not die fast enough.

Posted by: Mallamutt at July 26, 2010 11:27 AM (OWjjx)

32 Dude!!! Ace of Spades is famous!!!
http://tinyurl.com/285rcza
I hope this doesn't mean I can't say "shit" anymore.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at July 26, 2010 11:27 AM (RkRxq)

33 3) Her staff was surprised to find out she was pregnant when she announced at 7 months.

Palin is a marathon runner, of course she's not going to look huge.

http://tinyurl.com/29wo6lk

Here's Paula Radcliffe another marathoner who is pregnant at the time and she doesn't look prego at all.

But why let facts and reason get in the way of the smear narrative?

Posted by: Owen at July 26, 2010 11:27 AM (HNM9F)

34 Andrew Sullivan was seen at a pond trying to interview Storks on the issue. Someone needs to tell that cum bucket where baby's come from.

Posted by: Ben at July 26, 2010 11:27 AM (wuv1c)

35 phoenixgirl, these emails were written in Aug. 2008, when it wasn't public knowledge that Bristol was pregnant.
Ugh, I don't want to defend these people...

Posted by: Mama AJ at July 26, 2010 11:27 AM (XdlcF)

36 This is some very useful advice :
Sara Mead

Aug 30, 2008, 12:24am
A note to journolisters who may not be aware of this: “Downs child”
is NOT an appropriate or sensitive way to refer to Palin’s son, who has
Down Syndrome. Please use “people-first” language here. I’m not at all a
fan of Palin, either, but as liberals and decent human beings, we
should be respectful in how we refer to people with disabilities.I think we should stop using this non-"people-first" language here at AoS ("people second" well, top five anyway.) and from now on they are not "Liberals". but voters who have Liberal syndrome. Not "Obama Supporters," but people who have obama support condition. and so on.
Lets be appropriate and sensitive, morons!

Posted by: nine coconuts at July 26, 2010 11:27 AM (DHNp4)

37 Dude!!! Ace of Spades is famous!!!
http://tinyurl.com/285rcza
I hope this doesn't mean I can't say "shit" anymore.

no worky.

Posted by: Ben at July 26, 2010 11:29 AM (wuv1c)

38 Hussein, your link didn't work

Posted by: chemjeff at July 26, 2010 11:29 AM (Ps41e)

39 11: Maybe Andy watches enough CSI that he would settle for gathering discarded kleenex to do DNA analysis

I thought Trig and Bristol's kid are less than 9 months age difference? Seems like that would settle things but I've never paid a lot of attention to the story it was just one of the examples that opened my eyes to the character of the MFM.

Posted by: palerider at July 26, 2010 11:29 AM (vL0Nv)

40 I think we should stop using this non-"people-first" language here at AoS ("people second" well, top five anyway.) and from now on they are not "Liberals". but voters who have Liberal syndrome. Not "Obama Supporters," but people who have obama support condition. and so on.
I suppose then we can no longer refer to them as stupid, retarded, idiotitc and a complete waste of sperm either.........
wow, that was really, trully insensitive on my part. I renounce myself!

Posted by: Mallamutt at July 26, 2010 11:29 AM (OWjjx)

41 Just how sad isit when Ezra Kleinis the far more reasonable one of the bunch when he says, "Seriously, folks? Best case scenario, what’s your outcome here: Her daughter, hounded by the tabloids, breaks down that it was her child, and her mother heroically took on the burden and welcomed the disabled boy as one of her own? Palin’s relationship with her children — however they may have come to her — strikes me as pretty far out of bounds. By all accounts she’s a wonderful mother, and devoted to her fifth son. Leave this be."
And when you read the emails, you clearly see none of them took his advice.
Most of these emails were written by men. Their fascination of this women's uterus should be studied by men in white coats.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 26, 2010 11:30 AM (pLTLS)

42 If nothing else, this thread exposes the total contempt many in the media had for Sarah Palin.
And, ironically, at least one asshole at Daily Caller who I will not dignify with a link and resulting traffic. NQOCD covers plenty of folks even in the GOP.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 26, 2010 11:30 AM (7b1Uc)

43 That sort of thing warrants a social services call.

There is no more sick, vile person on the face of this earth than a lefty who does evil in 'the name of the children'.

Posted by: Office of Minority and Women Inclusion at July 26, 2010 11:30 AM (IhHdM)

44 I have heard of mass psychosis, but didn't know it was real. Wow. These people need therapy. Biker therapy (a punch in the face).

Posted by: real joe at July 26, 2010 11:30 AM (IpIBJ)

45 I've always wondered why Andrew Sullivan kept on the Trig story, even after the election. Now we know - it seems Trig Trutherism was kind of the norm among his peers. Sullivan was just more open with his conspiracy theory-mongering.

Remember the CNN reporter that made a crack about her campaigning instead of staying home with her special needs child? He was smacked around by his female counterpart, but it was telling that these people were ready and willing to take this shot.

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 26, 2010 11:30 AM (R2fpr)

46 Remember the CNN reporter that made a crack about her campaigning instead of staying home with her special needs child? He was smacked around by his female counterpart, but it was telling that these people were ready and willing to take this shot.
i remember that. I think it was Don Lemon. I remember watching TV when the news broke that McCain picked Palin, the guy on CNN said it immediately after the news broke.

Posted by: Ben at July 26, 2010 11:31 AM (wuv1c)

47 mama aj

i realize that.....but they are still carrying on this nonsense...

Posted by: phoenixgirl at July 26, 2010 11:32 AM (eOXTH)

48 My hate for liberals is becoming pathological

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 26, 2010 11:34 AM (0GFWk)

49 trigg was born in apr 2008 and tripp in dec 2008.....so how could
bristol give birth to both full term babies with in six months of each
other?

Everyone knows them chillbillies is rapid gestaters.

Posted by: huerfano at July 26, 2010 11:34 AM (NmcJ6)

50 Try this link for Ace of Spades = famous:
http://tinyurl.com/27qyrvk

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at July 26, 2010 11:34 AM (RkRxq)

51 I'm so hoping Andrew Sullivan will help me make good use of my Super Uterus!

Posted by: Miss Lindsey of South Carolina at July 26, 2010 11:34 AM (+FkcS)

52 From his Wiki entry, circa 2037: Trig Palin, First Overlord of the Conservative World Government, 2008 - present. His Grace, Lord Palin, was born in 2008, as the result of the union of an unknown, benevolent spirit (who some have dubbed "Sharkman" for obscure reasons)and The Conservative Godess, Sarah Palin. Todd Palin acted as "Second" in the conception process, much like in ancient days of yore, when a man facing a duel would have a second help him out.
His Grace was born with Down's Sydrome under what many on the now defunct (and exterminated - Yay!) left called "suspicious circumstances." I.e., it was alleged by these commie vermin that His Worshipfulness was actually the son of Sarah Palin's daughter, Bristol, rather than Her Rightleaning Perfectness, Sarah.
Little did the world know at the time the Exalted One was born, that he was actually an alien (not in the sense of being "illegal," but rather, as in "Other") from a parallel, eternally Conservative (and thus, perfect) universe where gold grew on trees,puppies could talk, and all were happy and content.
His Gloriosity eventually grew to manhood in the fullness of time, and ascended to power in ways unprecedented (and also not covered herein), after many years of fighting against the lies of insane lefties, the leading light of which was Andrew Sullivan, who is forever now known only as "Vox Gluteus Insanae."
It is written.

Posted by: Sharkman at July 26, 2010 11:35 AM (Zj8fM)

53 O/T (just in case anyone cares about stuff that actually affects our lives): The story of Osama Obama's regime supporting release of Megrahi is back up on Drudge, albeit in a much smaller size in one of the headline columns.

I've always wondered why "conservative pundits" kept on the Trig story, even
after the election. Now we know - it seems gossiping about Trig Trutherism was kind of
the norm among his their peers, and easier than working to break real stories. Sullivan Hot Air was just more open with his its
conspiracy theory-mongering.

Posted by: Slublog at 11:09 AM

Fixed it for ya, Slubby.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 26, 2010 11:35 AM (Ulu3i)

54 Just so you all know teh truth: I am pregnant with Andrew Sullivan's love child.

Posted by: Charles Johnson at July 26, 2010 11:36 AM (eShqB)

55 Try this link for Ace of Spades = famous:

Good idea for a thread. Oh, wait.

Posted by: Office of Minority and Women Inclusion at July 26, 2010 11:36 AM (IhHdM)

56 Is what we are doing here coordinating?
It's disturbing to coordinate, don't you know.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at July 26, 2010 11:37 AM (RkRxq)

57 oh, here's a funny bit from the JournoList:

It wouldn’t surprise me if the McCain campaign were to leak doctored
evidence for the sole purpose of discrediting it and destroying the
journalist who published it. That’s probably what the Killian memos
were.
LOL like our side is that smart!

Posted by: chemjeff at July 26, 2010 11:37 AM (Ps41e)

58 Most of these emails were written by men.

How many of these were childless, even gay, men? If you've never been through a pregnancy (as father or mother) you really shouldn't think you know it all.

Journolist was quite the hysterical echo chamber, wasn't it? But we're supposed to believe this didn't effect actual reportage?

Posted by: nickless at July 26, 2010 11:38 AM (MMC8r)

59 I got into an interesting discussion at Protein Wisdom a while back regarding the absolute hate of Palin by the left...and how it got started. I said that it started the minute she finsished her speech in Dayton, OH
She was nothing short of brilliant. She, by far, outshinedObama in what weas his onlyasset..that he could give a good speech....that and the fact that he was clean..and had no discernible Negro dialect
I read the entire email trail this morning and it looks like the decision to destroy her was based on fear. Several of the Journolisters had extremely positive things to say about her performance.
When she couldn't be brought down..that fear transmogriphied into hate...and then into complete irrationality

Posted by: beedubya at July 26, 2010 11:38 AM (AnTyA)

60 OK--just quick math in refutation of the genius on Journolist--and this took about thirty effing seconds on Bing--

1 out of 1250 births with mother's age 15-19 are Down's syndrome children.

So according to our leftist betters, 44-year-old non-menopausal women have less than a 1 in 1250 chance of getting pregnant from the SEXtm.

Riigghhhtt.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 26, 2010 11:38 AM (NvFZs)

61 Gov. Palin looked pregnant to me in her photos. More proof that leftard men know little to nothing about the va-jay-jay.

And gross negligence? Where did Donmoyer get his medical degree?

Posted by: Moi at July 26, 2010 11:39 AM (bjYAr)

62 Look liberals ( as opposed to stinkin hippies- a separate sub species) have sex twice before they marry ( and one of those is with either their left or right hand ) and then once after they are married to have their one special child. So taking about how conservatives get laid is about all they have left by 35.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 26, 2010 11:39 AM (0GFWk)

63 trigg was born in apr 2008 and tripp in dec 2008.....so how could bristol give birth to both full term babies with in six months of each other?

The gap is more like eight months....but the point still stands.

Posted by: JPS at July 26, 2010 11:39 AM (BQHgR)

64 It was hard enough for her at Dartmouth-Hitchcock, the best hospital in NE north of Boston, but doing that in Wasilla?
What elite media?

Posted by: Steve Skubinna at July 26, 2010 11:39 AM (QQ9sc)

65 reading through the emails.....harold pollack thinks it should be left alone UNLESS....sarah ACTIVELY PREVENTED bristol from getting an abortion....these people are nuts

Posted by: phoenixgirl at July 26, 2010 11:40 AM (eOXTH)

66 Good idea for a thread. Oh, wait.
Posted by: Office of Minority and Women Inclusion at July 26, 2010 11:36 AM (IhHdM)
It percolated into the Google headlines, is all. First time I've seen this site mentioned there, even in an 'infamous' context.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at July 26, 2010 11:41 AM (RkRxq)

67 Okay, so these so-called journalists think they're ob/gyn's? And the fact that the feminists put up with this patronizing crap from lefties is exactly why I have never felt any desire to label myself a feminist.

Posted by: nerdygirl at July 26, 2010 11:41 AM (1y717)

68 Look liberals ( as opposed to stinkin hippies- a separate sub species)
have sex twice before they marry ( and one of those is with either their
left or right hand ) and then once after they are married to have their
one special child.

I think that's genuinely why liberals are horrified by Palin - she has 5 kids, and everyone knows Mao only wants you to have 1.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 26, 2010 11:42 AM (p05LM)

69 In addition to my many quirks is the fact that my mother gave birth to me at the tender age of 44 back in the fifties. I'm quite sure she smoked and I know very well that she drank, since she trained me.
I also have what is known as a Simian crease on my right hand, which makes for great fun with palm readers.
As for IQ, I,oooh wait, there's something shiny...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 26, 2010 11:42 AM (i3AsK)

70 After one day, that collection of liberal ghouls was a yard up her uterus and there they remain to this day.

Posted by: SurferDoc at July 26, 2010 11:42 AM (SPNcJ)

71 OT

Damn! Even the MFM is openly calling them “progressives”.

Can rhetorical oblivion be far behind?

Hope not.

But anyway, the headline denotes very good news, imo, when even those who sold their profession down the drain begin to admit that Barry is irrelevant.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at July 26, 2010 11:42 AM (RkRxq)

72 63
trigg was born in apr 2008 and tripp in dec 2008.....so how could bristol give birth to both full term babies with in six months of each other?

The gap is more like eight months....but the point still stands.
Posted by: JPS at July 26, 2010 11:39 AM (BQHgR)

I'm telling you, anal pregnancies are possible!!!!11!! And that would explain the timing!!11!! I wuv u Andrew!!

Posted by: Charles Johnson at July 26, 2010 11:42 AM (eShqB)

73 man, these supposedly serious journalists went on and on, over this amazingly stupid story.

Posted by: chemjeff at July 26, 2010 11:42 AM (Ps41e)

74 jps

math was never my strong suit

....uh oh...this could be irish twins!/////

Posted by: phoenixgirl at July 26, 2010 11:43 AM (eOXTH)

75 All the Left knows about the vagina is that's the hole you're supposed to kill the baby through.

Posted by: nickless at July 26, 2010 11:43 AM (MMC8r)

76
These people are f*cking nuts.

Posted by: Dang Straights at July 26, 2010 11:44 AM (fx8sm)

77

Am I the only person who thinks this whole issue will come to an apex with Andrew Sullivan attempting to abduct Trig?
I really think we will be reading an article in the future titled,
"Atlantic Blogger Arrested in Attempted Abduction of Politician's Child"

Please ignore the chloroform, handcuffs, duct tape,and box-cutter. Those are just for me and the hubby.

Posted by: Obstetrician-General Sir Andrew S. Sullivan, Esq., O.B.E., W.T.F. at July 26, 2010 11:44 AM (mAm+G)

78 and the most amusing part is that among those people who don't believe the Trig Trutherism baloney, their reason for not doing so tends to be "it's a trap, they are planting disinformation among our ranks!" Not that "the story is stupid". LOLOL all around

Posted by: chemjeff at July 26, 2010 11:44 AM (Ps41e)

79 What I see from reading this is that those people are bat-shit crazy insane. I am surprised that they are capable of feeding themselves and that their parents let them out of the house without a keeper.

Posted by: Vic at July 26, 2010 11:44 AM (/jbAw)

80 "6) She returned to work 3 days after the baby was born." Yeah, I suppose pussies on the left would be surprised by this. It's not like she was doing road construction.

Posted by: nerdygirl at July 26, 2010 11:45 AM (1y717)

81 She was nothing short of brilliant. She, by far, outshinedObama in what weas his onlyasset..that he could give a good speech....that
Even the LSM talking heads (caught offguard)were impressed, I remember Chris Matthews or one of his ilk exclaiming: "She knocked it out of the park!"
I knew they would revert to their mission the minute they got their faxed talking points, and boy did they ever.

Posted by: kallisto at July 26, 2010 11:45 AM (+FkcS)

82 and the most amusing part is that among those people who don't believe
the Trig Trutherism baloney, their reason for not doing so tends to be
"it's a trap, they are planting disinformation among our ranks!"

But any time we talk about the deficit or wars or Iran, it's a distraction or racist. I cannot figure out how they keep their heads from exploding.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 26, 2010 11:46 AM (NvFZs)

83 The amount to which these reporters colluded is criminal. They should be fired.

This also reinforces Sarah Palin's great strength in a presidential election. She's already being torn apart by the media. The way I see it all the "frontrunners" like Newt and Romney think they're buddies with the media. Sure the reporters are dems but they'll give me a fair shake. I was invited to all the best cocktail parties. I sat on the couch with Nancy. I trashed Palin through an intermediary. McCain thought the media would give him a fair shake. And they did - until the primaries were over. Then they tore him apart. I'm not saying it was the sole reason for his numbers dropping but it was a big one. Any GOP candidate will have to face the media's fire eventually. Palin's numbers are competitive despite being trashed daily by the media. I keep hearing people say she isn't popular enough, or that the media will have a field day. But the media will have a field day with any GOP contender and if you take away the media support Huckabee, Romney or Newt will have in the primaries they cannot win. Not only will their numbers plummet but they have little experience facing the full force of the leftist media. When it comes to Palin, they've done all the damage they're going to do. She's a lot stronger a candidate than I've been giving her credit for.

Posted by: ChicagoJedi at July 26, 2010 11:48 AM (WZFkG)

84 19 trigg was born in apr 2008 and tripp in dec 2008.....so how could bristol give birth to both full term babies with in six months of each other?
---------------
Two uteruseseseses. It's not unheard of.

Posted by: Anachronda at July 26, 2010 11:49 AM (3K4hn)

85 I don't mind taking nutty conspiracies seriously. It's part of intellectual honesty to be willing to consider this shit, I guess.

But so much of Andi and Journolist's argument is based on Bristol being post partum, being ill from school, and the scandal of having a pregnant daughter.

And we know it's not possible for Bristol to be the parent of Trig. Most of the argument is gone now. All we are left with is Sarah Palin pretending to have a child for no benefit to her. This Down's likelihood issue actually strongly bolsters the logic of Sarah being the mother, too. The fact that someone could have easily come out and made millions selling this story also is strong evidence. It's not like Sarah has a huge circle willing to keep this secret... the GOP has tons of people who want to take her down, so do hospitals, etc etc.

Same reason why I don't mind seeing birther claims discussed. I think Obama was born in Hawaii, but it's OK to have the discussion even if it's an extreme kind of conspiracy. It's OK to ask if we have spaceships from Pluto at Area 51, or if Saddam helped terrorists learn to hijack planes. I think the solution to wrong speech is more speech, and sometimes you actually learn something amazing.

But Andrew probably can't abide a birther.

Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 26, 2010 11:50 AM (dUOK+)

86 80 "6) She returned to work 3 days after the baby was born." Yeah, I suppose pussies on the left would be surprised by this. It's not like she was doing road construction
My SiL..who had had 4 kids already was up cleaning her own hospital room 2 hours after she gave birth with her 5th.
She went grocery shopping the next day

Posted by: beedubya at July 26, 2010 11:50 AM (AnTyA)

87 I don't give a shit about Trig, Track, Truck, Dogsled, or any of the other Palin children.

LOL.

Posted by: Rut Roh at July 26, 2010 11:50 AM (mAm+G)

88 Andrew's mangina is depressed.

Posted by: Fritz at July 26, 2010 11:51 AM (GwPRU)

89 Fucking lowlifes, every one of the JournoListers. They are truly the bottom of the political barrel. Figures that there'd be a bunch of "Triggers" in their ranks.

Posted by: lincolntf at July 26, 2010 11:51 AM (+O8yf)

90 Among other things, there's a big Statistics Fail in there, too - a bad one. Some dingbat argues that because more babies with Downs are born to young mothers, it's more likely that Trig was Bristol's kid. Seriously!

The error is not so obvious that someone who took Stat 101 couldn't make it, so I don't fault the broad for it, but Brad Freakin' DeLong, the Poor Man's Paul Krugman, an economist, thought she was right. THAT is asinine.

Trig Trutherism rots your brain.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at July 26, 2010 11:51 AM (U97wT)

91

trigg was born in apr 2008 and tripp in dec 2008.....so how could
bristol give birth to both full term babies with in six months of each
other?

Isn't it obvious?

Sarah was covering for Bristol and Bristol was covering for Willow.
Willow is the Trip's mom.

Posted by: 1970 Ford Fuck You 500 at July 26, 2010 11:51 AM (uFokq)

92 +1 for the comments about older women being more likely to have a baby
with Down's. It's interesting that apparently none of the other
correspondents on the list knew this, either.
Libs don't know much about the vayjayjay.

Frau is 39 and preggers. We've read all the pamphlets, believe me.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 26, 2010 11:52 AM (5aa4z)

93 I can't imagine anyone truly, truly caring one whit about this whole Trig thing. Seriously.

But then, I'm not a Liberal who has nothing else but failed policies and discredited ideas to talk about, as well as the sheer number of people murdered for those ideas. So perhaps it isn't surprising after all.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 26, 2010 11:52 AM (eNxMU)

94 If those journolist people don't leave my mommy alone, I'm going to get angry.
When I'm angry, things happen.

Posted by: Piper Palin at July 26, 2010 11:52 AM (46jjs)

95 here's some pure class, right here

Brad DeLong

Aug 30, 2008, 8:12pm

Which is why I think the balance of probabilities is that it is her
kid–unless Trig has not Down but fetal alcohol syndrome, in which the
balance shifts back the other way.

Posted by: chemjeff at July 26, 2010 11:52 AM (Ps41e)

96 Trig Trutherism rots your brain.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at July 26, 2010 11:51 AM (U97wT)
Beats goin' blind.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 26, 2010 11:54 AM (5aa4z)

97 But the media will have a field day with any GOP contender and if you
take away the media support Huckabee, Romney or Newt will have in the
primaries they cannot win.

Bah. The media did all they could to prop up Jimmy Carter the First way back when. The people knew what they wanted and they didn't want Jimmy Carter the First in the White House anymore. Toward the end, when all the polls showed how badly he was going to lose, the media finally backed off. But until it was inevitable they kept spinning, day after day.

Posted by: Office of Minority and Women Inclusion at July 26, 2010 11:54 AM (IhHdM)

98 The leftards are stuck on this crazy notion that Sarah Palin's youngest son is actually her grandson.

Meanwhile dimwits on the right are stuck on the crazy notion that Obama was born somewhere other than Hawaii.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

I have no doubt that Trig is Sarah Palin's son. I have no doubt that Obama, bastard leftard that he is, was born in Hawaii.

Posted by: Lee at July 26, 2010 11:54 AM (/gY4D)

99 But any time we talk about the deficit or wars or
Iran, it's a distraction or racist. I cannot figure out how they keep
their heads from exploding.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 26, 2010 11:46 AM

When we're not busy talking about Andi Sullivan or complaining that Lib Media hate Palin, that is.

As long as we keep on with peripheral stuff (and Palin, like all other potential '12 presidential candidates is trivial at this point, IMO, particularly when it comes to her private life) and don't focus on the real dangers of the Osama Obama regime, they control the message.

As this thread (and many threads at HA) proves, we are enabling the Journolist crowd by keeping their memes front and center.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 26, 2010 11:54 AM (Ulu3i)

100 Not since the Virgin Mary has a woman's vajayjay garnished as much attention.

Lib's are seriously screwed up.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, proud Georgia cracka at July 26, 2010 11:55 AM (UOM48)

101 Downs Syndrome is rare in teenage births.
Rarer still are teenagers who get pregnant with one child who get pregnant again with a second 8 months later while they still have the first one in the womb. So rare, in fact, that it has never happened once in the entire recorded history of mankind. And no, to all you libertard fucknuts out there, it didn't happen this time either.
All on has to do is a take five seconds to look at the birthdates and this whole ridiculous notion that Trig is Bristol's son is easily debunked.
Trig was born to Sarah on April 18th, 2008. Tripp Palin, Bristol's son, was born December 29th, 2008.
So, all you little libertard conspiracy theorists out there, take out both hands and lets count shall we?
May, June, July, August, September, October, November, December.
See? See how many fingers your holding up? That's only 8 fingers, now isn't it? So Either Tripp was at least a couple of monthspremature and that was never reported in the media (ya, like that would happen), or somehow Bristol got pregnant with Tripp while she was still pregnant with Trigg.
Wow.. what a neat trick that was huh?

Posted by: StuckOnStupid at July 26, 2010 11:55 AM (e8T35)

102 The leftards are stuck on this crazy notion that Sarah Palin's youngest son is actually her grandson.Meanwhile dimwits on the right are stuck on the crazy notion that Obama was born somewhere other than Hawaii.
Six of one, half a dozen of the other.
Except the dimwits on the right aren't The Media.

Posted by: nickless at July 26, 2010 11:56 AM (MMC8r)

103 Wow.. what a neat trick that was huh?
...and women want to have sex again immediately after giving birth

Posted by: beedubya at July 26, 2010 11:56 AM (AnTyA)

104 Did anyone else notice Piper looked a bit drawn during the RNC convention? And the way she held Trig so close........

Posted by: Some JournoList douche at July 26, 2010 11:57 AM (UOM48)

105 Oh, and the best part - because Palin didn't give birth abort according to
the Northeastern Liberal Approved Method, that means Palin is a
terrible mom.

FIFY

"6) She returned to work 3 days after the baby was born."

...she walked down a hallway to her office and sat in a comfy chair to read/write some stuff. Only those pathetic pussies would think that's hard labor.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at July 26, 2010 11:57 AM (jV+np)

106 I got into an interesting discussion at Protein Wisdom a while back regarding the absolute hate of Palin by the left...and how it got started. I said that it started the minute she finsished her speech in Dayton, OH
http://bit.ly/a71s4O
http://bit.ly/cKW6lO
You're gonna love these, esp. the second one. It shows you're right on target.

Posted by: RushBabe at July 26, 2010 11:57 AM (W8m8i)

107 #14, I wouldn't say there is a "conservative JournoList" that brings up Palin to provide cover fire for Obama. I think there is a self-defeating and collaborationist clique in the "allegedly conservative" media.
Look at Fox News' site. How much of their shit is Associated Press material? We KNOW the AP is thoroughly liberal. Why the hell use their material?
You listen to Sirius Patriot, and the hourly newsbreaks are AP Radio News.
Remember the donation records? Fox staff donate to Democrat candidates as fast as CNN staff do.
AllahPundit is still in love with Megaton McCain.
Meggie Mac is pissed she's not First Daughter of the US, so she's out to talk shit about everyone not as smart and hip as she thinks she is.
LT Ed Morrisey (I reduced him in rank) wants to be a real journalist, not a blogger, so he's a squish.
Andrew Sullivan has AIDS-induced dementia and should have had his citizenship application rejected for his drug arrest.
Charles Johnson is demented.
I love Ace like the brother I've never actually met, but sometimes he needs some motovation to stay in there.
Let's face it, our list of reliable allies is a thin one.

Posted by: SGT Dan at July 26, 2010 11:57 AM (QUuUE)

108 Chance of an 18 year old having a baby w/ DS: 0.06%
Chance of a 43 year old female getting pregnant from unprotected sex: 1-3% PER MONTH.

Chance of a Journolist member having a clue?

0.0%

I found the above with

Posted by: Greg Q at July 26, 2010 11:58 AM (4Pleu)

109 Except the dimwits on the right aren't The Media.

And Trig Palin can't fuck up our lives with (unConstitutional) executive orders.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at July 26, 2010 11:58 AM (jV+np)

110 Ryan Donmoyer, Uterine Detective.

Posted by: Cicero at July 26, 2010 11:58 AM (QKKT0)

111 ...and women want to have sex again immediately after giving birth

Posted by: beedubya at July 26, 2010 11:56 AM (AnTyA)
Wait. What?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 26, 2010 11:58 AM (5aa4z)

112 Had house guests yesterday. BIL was born when his mother was 48. He's sane, pretty conservative, and smart as a whip. Of course he recently lost his job due to bank closures, but that's another topic.

Posted by: Office of Minority and Women Inclusion at July 26, 2010 11:58 AM (IhHdM)

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Posted by: christianhotsale at July 26, 2010 11:58 AM (9NZCd)

114 Neither Sarah nor Bristol is Trig's mom. Sarah stole that baby, to garner sympathy, from a poor black girl who was raped by her white boss in the sweat shop she is forced to work in hand packing Spanish olives.

Posted by: Shirley Sherrod at July 26, 2010 11:59 AM (Q1lie)

115 Again, statistically speaking, I believe it is highly more likely that a teen mother would have a child with Downs than it is for a 44-year-old woman to conceive without fertility help.
STATISTICALLY!?
Does that 'tardster know what that word even means?

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at July 26, 2010 11:59 AM (oIp16)

116 I wonder what the emails say about Obama's birth certificate. That would be very interesting to see what they were actually saying in their own personal vacuum. And no, I'm not a birther, just curious to see what they were saying about it.

Posted by: CDR M at July 26, 2010 11:59 AM (5I8G0)

117 Again, statistically speaking, I believe it is highly more likely that a teen mother would have a child with Downs than it is for a 44-year-old woman to conceive without fertility help.
what a flipping brainiac! Make $hit up to fit your opinions much there?

Posted by: Johnnyreb at July 26, 2010 11:59 AM (cqZXM)

118 9) Supposedly, the baby’s grandparents refused to issue any kind of statement when the baby was born, for whatever little that’s worth.

"Supposedly."

Whatever little that's worth? I'll tell ya what it's worth...

*FLUSH!*

Posted by: CoolCzech at July 26, 2010 12:00 PM (tJjm/)

119 As this thread (and many threads at HA) proves, we are enabling the Journolist crowd by keeping their memes front and center.

Disagree.

We are ridiculing in broad daylight and they richly deserve it.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 26, 2010 12:00 PM (NvFZs)

120 Don't anyone remind ace what happened a year ago today....in Alaska. mmmkay?

Posted by: Tami at July 26, 2010 12:00 PM (VuLos)

121 It is kind of nice to see there is nothing behind the curtain. While it is hard to believe we lost to these people, in the words of Dennis Green, "they are who we thought they were."

November will be fun.

Posted by: DM! at July 26, 2010 12:00 PM (CQUOs)

122 ahh and here we get to the point about coordinating the fake ethics charges against Palin:

Bob Mackey

Aug 31, 2008, 11:05am

Rick,

I think the big issue is whether Palin used her position, authority and
the tools of government to cover up a personal “shame.” When tied to
the ongoing debate about the firing of the state police head when he
wouldn’t fire her ex-brother in law, then we have a pattern of
governmental abuse for personal gain. And I think that is the only
reason that it should be discussed in a negative manner.

Bob

Posted by: chemjeff at July 26, 2010 12:00 PM (Ps41e)

123 Sarah Palin doesn’t look even remotely pregnant in photographs that are supposed to be her third trimester.

Since most of those tubby skeezers look pregnant when they aren't, they might want to have downplayed this bitchy angle....

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 26, 2010 12:01 PM (qPpkJ)

124
It is pretty disgusting how, for many of these fools, the moral impetus was for Sarah Palin to have an abortion. It really wasn't a matter of choice anymore... it was her responsibility to have an abortion.

Very sad to see such twisted minds.

Posted by: dan-O at July 26, 2010 12:01 PM (bRLuD)

125 Chance of a 43 year old female getting pregnant from unprotected sex: 1-3% PER MONTH.

Well, at least they're consistent in thinking "1-3%" equals "miracle!"

I'll admit I wondered about Rielle Hunter myself, but only because Edwards is an incredibly dumb multi-millionaire.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at July 26, 2010 12:01 PM (jV+np)

126 welcome you to order!

Invite you to fuck off!

Posted by: Public Service Message at July 26, 2010 12:01 PM (IhHdM)

127 What's really perturbing the Left is that a woman would actually want to carry a Down's baby to full term. (Or any baby, for that matter).

Posted by: dulce at July 26, 2010 12:02 PM (Z8tGV)

128 These clowns should avoid Todd Palin.

Posted by: Jean at July 26, 2010 12:02 PM (3Ds00)

129 Well, at least they're consistent in thinking "1-3%" equals "miracle!"

I'll admit I wondered about Rielle Hunter myself, but only because Edwards is an incredibly dumb multi-millionaire.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at July 26, 2010 12:01 PM (jV+np)
You would've thought that Edwards would've been pretty good at withdrawal since that was his platform for the war!

Posted by: CDR M at July 26, 2010 12:02 PM (5I8G0)

130 What are the chances of a Wookiee giving birth to apparently full-blooded human beings? Nobody seems very interested in investigating that phenomenon.

Posted by: Cicero at July 26, 2010 12:02 PM (QKKT0)

131 29 trigg was born in apr 2008 and tripp in dec 2008.....so how could bristol give birth to both full term babies with in six months of each other?
Posted by: phoenixgirl at July 26, 2010 11:21 AM (eOXTH)

Maybe both events were somehow just huge trixx?

Posted by: CoolCzech at July 26, 2010 12:03 PM (tJjm/)

132
Shannon Brownlee

Sept 1, 2008, 7:58am

I’m with Ezra on this — there’s no good outcome to going after this
story, and all of the conjecture about why Palin waited until her 7th
month to announce (at 44 I might have done the same) and the photos of
the daughter (she doesn’t look pregnant either) and who’s more likely to
have a Down’s Syndrome child is a distraction from what really matters:
This woman has almost no experience and extremist views on many fronts.
Americans should be afraid of a McCain-Palin White House and the
possibility of her having to step in as president. So we should be
sowing fear.

Posted by: chemjeff at July 26, 2010 12:03 PM (Ps41e)

133 Kathleen Parker had the most pathetic column yet re JournoList in our local fish wrap today. What a scrunt.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, proud Georgia cracka at July 26, 2010 12:03 PM (UOM48)

134 She returned to work 3 days after the baby was born.
Do any of them know what is involved with caring for a new born? Any idea how much easier it would be to go to work than care for a new born? New mothers dream of such a luxury.

Posted by: dagny at July 26, 2010 12:04 PM (jfpP5)

135 I suppose I can begrudgingly understand their confusion over the vajayjay. Those things confound me.

It's all crazy down there.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at July 26, 2010 12:04 PM (WvXvd)

136 Meanwhile dimwits on the right are stuck on the crazy notion that Obama was born somewhere other than Hawaii.

We're also smitten with the idea that trillion and a half deficits as far as the eye can see are not sustainable. And that appeasement makes dictators and crazies bolder.

We're nuts like that.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 26, 2010 12:04 PM (NvFZs)

137 A 2002 literature review of elective abortion rates found that 91–93% of pregnancies in the United Kingdom and Europe with a diagnosis of Down syndrome were terminated

Trig would be dead if it were up to us.

Posted by: British Death Panel at July 26, 2010 12:04 PM (+sBB4)

138 She was nothing short of brilliant. She, by far, outshinedObama in
what weas his onlyasset..that he could give a good speech....that and
the fact that he was clean..and had no discernible Negro dialect

And light-skinned. Don't forget light-skinned.

Posted by: Harry Reid at July 26, 2010 12:05 PM (mAm+G)

139 Posted by: SGT Dan at July 26, 2010 11:57 AM (QUuUE)
Amen, Sgt. Dan. That's why I'm hoping the Right Network will have truly objective news gatherers. Has anyone heard anything more about the debut?

Posted by: RushBabe at July 26, 2010 12:05 PM (W8m8i)

140 I wonder if the WH will have a talk with Rangel and tell him to take one for the team?

Posted by: CDR M at July 26, 2010 12:06 PM (5I8G0)

141 This woman has almost no experience and extremist views on many fronts.

The irony...so thick, it would make a fantastic sammich spread.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 26, 2010 12:06 PM (NvFZs)

142 And props to Sarah for not naming the kid King Shabam Kenyatta. I mean her kids have "interesting" names, but they can't top Russia.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, proud Georgia cracka at July 26, 2010 12:06 PM (UOM48)

143 I suppose I can begrudgingly understand their confusion over the vajayjay. Those things confound me.

It's all crazy down there.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at July 26, 2010 12:04 PM (WvXvd)
I know. All those mythical parts freak me out.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 26, 2010 12:06 PM (5aa4z)

144 We are ridiculing in broad daylight and they richly deserve it.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 26, 2010 12:00 PM

Which means we are letting the important issues slip by while thinking up smart comebacks involving how many months elapsed between births, Andi Sullivan's "mangina," and so on. And on.

Why not ridicule treason, racism and an incompetent president with an unknown past instead?

As long as we're talking about the Journolist knaves, they're winning. The first rule of PR is: it doesn't matter what they say about you, as long as they're talking about you.

Posted by: SGT Dan at July 26, 2010 11:57 AM

Yup.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 26, 2010 12:06 PM (Ulu3i)

145 â€œYou know, at the risk of violating Godwinâ€™s law, is anyone starting to
see parallels here between the teabaggers and their tactics and the rise
of the Brownshirts?â€ asked Bloombergâ€™s Ryan Donmoyer. â€œEsp. Now that
itâ€™s getting violent? Reminds me of the Beer Hall fracases of the
1920s.â€

So, Donmoyer doesn't understand Nazi's and he doesn't understand women's cooter related issues.

Boy, Eva Braun must really confuse the heck out of him.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at July 26, 2010 12:06 PM (dF2/V)

146 What "extremist" views?
You'll have to provide an example.

Posted by: dagny at July 26, 2010 12:08 PM (jfpP5)

147 Esp. Now that
itâ€™s getting violent?
I must have missed that part. Unless he means the SEIU thugs beating the shit out of Tea Party folks.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 26, 2010 12:08 PM (NvFZs)

148 9) Supposedly, the baby’s grandparents refused to issue any kind of statement when the baby was born, for whatever little that’s worth. Translation -- none of us media pussy's want to go to Alaska and get gut shot on their front lawn a thousand miles from a trauma center.

Posted by: Jean at July 26, 2010 12:11 PM (F6P43)

149 SGT Dan, while that matters - it only matters if your important - too. We morons holded up the basement bar and lounge can and should beat on their sorry asses.

Posted by: Jean at July 26, 2010 12:13 PM (fQbcU)

150 Supposedly, the baby’s grandparents refused to issue any kind of statement when the baby was born, for whatever little that’s worth.
How dare they refuse to give us a statement. We are the media elite! We demand a statement!

Posted by: Katie Couric, Heir to Murrow at July 26, 2010 12:14 PM (QKKT0)

151 oo that just popped into my head. I wonder if any of the Journalisters are Truthers.

That will make for interesting reading..

Posted by: Ben at July 26, 2010 11:12 AM (wuv1c)
1 in 3 democrats are troofers. Since media figures tend to be left of the Democrat center, one would expect that figure to be higher among them.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 26, 2010 12:16 PM (7BU4a)

152 I'm not the grandparents but here is my statement for the media:
Foxtrot Oscar.
Figure it out.

Posted by: dagny at July 26, 2010 12:17 PM (jfpP5)

153 6) She returned to work 3 days after the baby was born.

Pearl S. Buck must be laughing in her grave, and so would anybody who read her book, The Good Earth

Posted by: Neo at July 26, 2010 12:18 PM (tE8FB)

154 So we should be
sowing fear.

Posted by: chemjeff at July 26, 2010 12:03 PM (Ps41e)
Not only do these people have a cartoonish conspiracy - they even talk like the bad guys from movies.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 26, 2010 12:19 PM (7BU4a)

155 I can see Russia from my house!

Posted by: sherrie sherrod at July 26, 2010 12:20 PM (7b1Uc)

156 I suppose I can begrudgingly understand their confusion over the vajayjay. Those things confound me.

It's all crazy down there.
Posted by: Dave in Texas at July 26, 2010 12:04 PM (WvXvd)
Crazy good!

Posted by: Oversexed Morons Everywhere at July 26, 2010 12:22 PM (W8m8i)

157 ...and women want to have sex again immediately after giving birth
Wait. What?Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 26, 2010 11:58 AM (
...and that are already in the cool motorized bed where they can put thmeselves into all kinds of contortions...instead of flowers or candy...most women want a copy of the Kama Sutra

Posted by: beedubya at July 26, 2010 12:22 PM (AnTyA)

158 "Chance of an 18 year old having a baby w/ DS: 0.06%

Chance of a 43 year old female getting pregnant from unprotected sex: 1-3% PER MONTH.

Chance of a Journolist member having a clue?

0.0%

I found the above with < 5 min web searching.

Posted by: Greg Q at July 26, 2010 11:58 AM (4Pleu)"
Exactly... what's so amazing about the democrats is their default pretend science. They always pretend to have some scientific argument to prove their points, such as trig trutherism or global warming or Iran not building nukes in 2007.And they seem to rely harder on this 'we're being scientific' when they have no case at all. That way, their insane paranoia rantings aren't coming from their imagination, but rather from a disturbing truth revealed by science. Of course, their science is just their imagination, though.Birther hysteria involves a lot of conspiracy from state level workers, similar to the Joe the Plumber harassment from state level workers. It also involves someone planting an ad in a 1960s paper. And Hillary screwing up the research (though Phil Berg, Hillary's attack dog, started this birther claim). It's extremely likely Obama was born in Hawaii, and yet that conspiracy theory is infinitely more likely than Bristol being Trig's mother. Like it or not, but Andi is extremely more demented than any Birther you meet.

Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 26, 2010 12:23 PM (dUOK+)

159 These are the same vial slugsthat are responsible for the four letter words scrawled on bathroom stalls in their buildings.

Posted by: Buffalobob at July 26, 2010 12:24 PM (KAal5)

160 #41

Just how sad isit when Ezra Kleinis the far more reasonable one of the
bunch

I'm actually starting to feel bad for EK, just a little. From what I can tell he's probably not a bad guy, although if we judge him by the company he keeps, he's a huge douchebag. I'm guessing that he had a noble - or at least benign - purpose in setting it up, and given that he was. what, 23 or 24? when he set it up, he gets a pass for being naive. How was he supposed to know that all these liberals would act like assholes the second that they got the chance? Uh, because they're smarmy liberal fucks? Yes, we know that, but Ezra has blinders on.

So I do feel bad for the guy. He was just an annoying networker, and now he inadvertently is bringing down the MFM.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at July 26, 2010 12:24 PM (U97wT)

161 Again, statistically speaking, I believe it is highly more likely that a teen mother would have a child with Downs than it is for a 44-year-old woman to conceive without fertility help.

A simple call to any obstetrician would have proved this statement false if they had bothered to check.These morons are not journalist.

Posted by: bulwark at July 26, 2010 12:26 PM (swBPc)

162 I love Ace like the brother I've never actually met, but sometimes he
needs some motovation to stay in there.

Ace is sometimes distracted by his efforts to tell us that there should be a law against giving out Happy Meal toys, and that Congress has the power to force me to do business with people whose business I don't want.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at July 26, 2010 12:29 PM (U97wT)

163

8 ) It’s far more likely for a teenager to have a child with Downs
Syndrome than it is for a 43-year-old woman to conceive naturally.
Wow!! Even WikiPedia says NO !The incidence of Down syndrome is estimated at 1 per 800 to 1,000
births, although it is statistically much more common with older
mothers.

Posted by: Neo at July 26, 2010 12:31 PM (tE8FB)

164 These JOUNOLISTers may be "Muthers" but they aren't Mothers.

Posted by: Neo at July 26, 2010 12:33 PM (tE8FB)

165 These JOUNOLISTers sound like they do a lot of work with unwed mothers... helping them get their start.

Posted by: Neo at July 26, 2010 12:34 PM (tE8FB)

166
I'm actually starting to feel bad for EK, just a little. From what I can tell he's probably not a bad guy, How about we coordinate our own message - lets pick one of them and leak all over that he/she is the mole and Tucker's buddy?

Posted by: Jean at July 26, 2010 12:35 PM (xMgdu)

167 I wonder what the emails say about Obama's birth certificate.
What I find interesting is that the White House hasnever seen fit to just release it, which is a little strange. I wonder if maybe there is some information on their that they don't want to be part of the public discourse that isn't related to his birthplace.
Just a thought.

Posted by: StuckOnStupid at July 26, 2010 12:45 PM (e8T35)

168 If you birth in April and get pregnant in May, you start counting in JUNE. Seven months.
If you have a baby that is two months premature, it's not going to be the same size as a full term baby, and probably will spend time in the hospital due to probable complications, even if minor.
If it's probable that a woman is less likely to get pregnant statistically in her 40s without 'help', then what are the odds of getting pregnant TWICE at that age without help? They argue against their own premise.
If a woman is an athlete, she's going to look physically different than someone who is not or who is just a weekend warrior. Less likely to carry overall extra weight and they're going to carry it differently. There are those of us that look like dough boys and then there are the women that just have 'bumps'. They usually have strong abs. If a woman is long waisted, they've got more perpendicular room than someone who is short waisted and has no place to go but 'out'. So body type, shape, and exercise habits play a big role.
As to DS, my stats are dusty, but from the last time that I looked, the odds of a 20 year old having a DS child is like one in 2500. The odds of a 45 year old woman having one, 1 in 25. Amniocentesis is routinely recommended for women at the age of 35 because the risk of misscarriage and the risk of DS intersect at one in 250 at that point. Anyone from that point on is considering being of 'advanced maternal age'. Not old in a cultural sense but old in a birthing sense.
From an anectdotal point of view, I had two kids, one at 35, the second at 40. Both times in the first attempt. Some of us out here are reproductive rabbits and fly in the face of the stats. If you're menstruating, you can theoretically get pregnant because oftentimesovulation accompanies it. Just because there is a large infertility cottage industry, doesn't mean that there are women that cannot get pregnant on their own, and 'at an advanced maternal age'. I would also argue that having a healthy lifestyle like Palin, the odds of her having increased chances of being pregnant increase.
Pregnancy chances decrease as women in general age, but make no mistake, if you're one of the fertile ones, those stats mean jack when you're staring at a pink stink. The definition of menopause is when a woman hasn't had a period in a year. Being post menopausal at 44 would be considered EARLY. So if you have not completed menopause, you can theoretically still get pregnant. Even if your periods are starting to get irregular, if you ovulate one month and have unprotected sex, if sperm and egg meet, there you go...Words to the wise if you're in that age category. If you assume that you are probably less fertile and throw caution to the wind, you may end up with a baby that you didn't expect, because of all of the bad information that gets thrown around by the likes of the idiots that are the sparks of this discussion.
These people are seriously ignorant about the issue at hand and it's just about gossip mongering about someone that they personally hate. It ceratinly has nothing to do with medical information, they are sadly lacking in that regard.

Posted by: JR at July 26, 2010 12:49 PM (ReqUq)

169 A simple internet search will provide the data.

You rang?

Frequency of Down Syndrome Per Maternal Age

Posted by: google at July 26, 2010 12:56 PM (8/oOq)

170 I look forward to the publication of the entire Journolist roster. We've just seen a partial list of 107 members. I want to see the whole 400+.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at July 26, 2010 12:56 PM (w41GQ)

171 Screw you, google.

Posted by: bing at July 26, 2010 01:05 PM (7b1Uc)

172 Doing it in Wasilla when she very well could have stayed in Dallas? That
offends me. That sort of thing warrants a social services call.

Why, because she came home to have her baby? Mr. Matthews might be surprised to know that there are, in fact, hospitals in rural areas as well as in cities. Maybe if he was a more competent "researcher" he would know that.

The fact that this A-hole is offended by her having a baby in her hometown rather than someplace strange offends me.

Posted by: AlaskAdkins at July 26, 2010 01:05 PM (4equH)

173
"And plenty of 44 year old women have unassisted conception and
pregnancy. A simple internet search will provide the data."

No need: my wife is one of them. (She occasionally posts here.) We were in much the same situation as the Palin family: when my wife became pregnant, we already had four older children, one of whom was a 19-year-old daughter. And evil-minded relatives assumed that our daughter was knocked up and we were covering up for her.

Our son is now 12 and is perfectly healthy, thank God. But whenever I read about Palin, and especially when I read excerpts from that vile POS Andrew Sullivan or this asshole Donmoyer, I think back over our experience and my blood starts boiling. How dare they? How dare they? Have they no shame? I guess the question answers itself.

Posted by: Brown Line at July 26, 2010 01:18 PM (VrNoa)

174 Notice the date and time on the emails and the mentions of Chinatown and incest.
I remember that weekend very well. By Sundayafternoon the incest angle was being openly discussed at Kos.

Posted by: Jaynie59 at July 26, 2010 01:23 PM (YjQWV)

175 Beats goin' blind.

How 'bout just til I need glasses?

Posted by: dfbaskwill at July 26, 2010 01:28 PM (usjNq)

176 I've wondered if there's a conservative analogue to Journolist, and am now convinced there must be.
You're on it! Spread the word.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at July 26, 2010 01:30 PM (usjNq)

177 173 Yep. My mom and dad had a 19 year old, a 16 year old and a12 year old when I was born. Also meet my 6 year old who will go with me to take my 18 year old to college. I was pregnant on our 18th wedding anniversary--to the delight of my husband. And in both cases, no medical intervention was used, planned, or sought. Happens all the time.

Posted by: dagny at July 26, 2010 01:31 PM (jfpP5)

178 Dylan Matthews is currently 20 years old.

When he wrote his wisdom about Sarah Palin's birth plan, he was 18 years old. His reward for this kind of incredible knowledge is to be Ezra Klein's personal researcher at the Washington Post.

What a great team.

Posted by: MayBee at July 26, 2010 01:33 PM (nXct6)

179 Trig Truthers, allow me to introduce Mr. Levi Johnston.

Do they think for one friggin minute that if that baby was not Palin's that that slimy sonofabitch wouldn't have sold that information already?

From now on, all rumors about the Palins receive the Levi Johnston sanity check. If it's something he could make money on, and doesn't, the rumor is likely false.

Posted by: jmflynny at July 26, 2010 01:34 PM (icAKU)

180 Younger women have more Downs Syndrome babies because younger women have more babies - period. However, the incidence of DS is higher in older mom's.

Posted by: Moi at July 26, 2010 01:35 PM (bjYAr)

181 When he wrote his wisdom about Sarah Palin's birth plan, he was 18 years old.
To an 18 year old, a 40+ year old has no business even having sex.
If I were Sarah, I would have a difficult time not jumping that husband at every opportunity.

Posted by: dagny at July 26, 2010 01:36 PM (jfpP5)

182 And it's not as if Wasilla is an isolated village of six igloos on the vast tundra. It's a frigging exurb (less than 50 miles away) of Anchorage -- a city of almost 300,000.

Posted by: Simon Oliver Lockwood at July 26, 2010 01:44 PM (VE5vJ)

183 Why, because she came home to have her baby?

For both of our children, my wife basically had a 'contract' with the obstetrician which included all the monthly, then weekly, then almost daily checkups, the delivery, and some followup visits. We paid a set amount for every visit, so that when the baby was born, it was all paid up. We didn't travel too far, because if we had to deliver with a different ob/gyn in another city it would have cost us another small fortune. Our insurance back then had very limited coverage for pregnancy. But then my employer covered husband, wife, and children with health insurance.

There's nothing strange about her wanting to deal with the same ob/gyn.

To me, it's all smoke and mirror diversion from the fact that we're supposed to believe that Barack's mom was flying halfway across the planet in her eighth month.

Posted by: Public Service Message at July 26, 2010 01:47 PM (IhHdM)

184 Perhaps something terrible could have happened on SPs ride home. Unfortunately for the left Trig is alive and well, loved and cared for. I always thought the real aim of ASs campaign was to somehow convince the world, and especially pro-lifers, that Sarah wanted her baby DEAD!!!

Whatever natural ambivalence she or any mother to be in her situation might have felt, they just can't stop wishing the baby would have suffered something.

Posted by: sarahw at July 26, 2010 02:03 PM (Z4T49)

185 Another point: Sarah Palin is clearly a healthy woman. She's not some 45 year old 300 pound pot smoking drunk who watches Oprah all day.

It's a shame that men expect someone Palin's age to be decrepit and infertile. There's nothing surprising at all about this woman being pregnant. I wouldn't be too surprised if she were pregnant again.

Mark my words: this is an attack I've heard from a Mittbot in person and I bet we hear it again. What if she's pregnant while serving as president? Oh No!

The left will love that one, too, even though it contradicts the trig truther crap.

Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 26, 2010 02:08 PM (dUOK+)

186 Trisomy 21 (Downs) babies are usually undersized, as well.

The rate of identifies Trisomy 21 pregnancies in a 44 year old woman is something on the order of 1 in 29, with live births about 1 in 40.

The live birth rate of trisomy 21 babies for a 15-19 year old is about 1 out of ever 1200 or so births, actually a little less than that.

43-44 yo women who are in good shape can and do conceive without aid, with a rate of about 38% in a year (assuming no birth control and good "coverage".

That's right. More than a third of women Palin's age will get knocked up in the course of a year, without help, if they are trying. ( no birth control, with regular sexual intercourse)

Posted by: SarahW at July 26, 2010 02:17 PM (Z4T49)

187 SarahW, the math is damning. It's just insane that the Andis are saying it points the other way around.

We're talking worse than 1000:1 odds of a Down's baby for a woman like Bristol, and, as you note, extremely normal numbers for any woman in Palin's age having a baby, and much better numbers for a healthy and active woman like Palin who has had several kids before (numbers are well above 51% likely in that case).

The more info thrown into the calculation, the more obvious it is that Sarah is the mother.

And that's taking a ridiculous theory seriously. Why would she make up a pregnancy? It's proven it wasn't to protect Bristol.

Posted by: Legendary Film Star Rick Moranis at July 26, 2010 02:21 PM (dUOK+)

188 Of course, the chance of success in a given month is rather low. If you keep at it, though, and have had several previous children, are in unusually good shape, don't smoke, and don't drink, and enjoy plenty of time with your husband, your chances go way up. You will be more likely to miscarry, and to have a baby with chromosomal disorders, Trisomy 21 in particular.

Posted by: SarahW at July 26, 2010 02:22 PM (Z4T49)

189 I'm actually starting to feel bad for EK, just a little.

Fuck him; the only reason to feel sorry for him is he got hit hard wtih the gene-bat and looks like a choad-huffing, inconsequential, shitstained nebbish. However he's responsible for the cockwipes he associates with and, as such, reveals himself to be exactly what he looks like. Then when you read his delusional tripe it just confirms it.

Feel sorry for puppys that the city pounds will gas; they're all more deserving of living than this blight on society.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 26, 2010 03:03 PM (qPpkJ)

190 Oh fergawd's sake! This was then and is now a monstrous pile of crap sandwich. Let me start by stating that I am the mother of 4, who worked right up until 10 minutes before one of mine was born. I'm grandmother to several - and attended the births. And I am a medical professional very familiar with pregnancy, testing and the like.

The statistical chances of Bristol delivering a Down's child are so ludicrously small that such a thing would never cross the mind of anyone in the medical field.

The statistical chances of any woman over 35 having a Down's Syndrome child are significant enough that testing for Down's is recommended by virtually all care providers to women in this age group.

Birthing a Down's Syndrome child does NOT involve surgery, dying infants and so on. Whatever the reporter's friend's difficulties with her delivery at Dartmouth-Hitchcock, they were not related to the fact that her child had Down's.

Women in their forties have been successfully conceiving children with no help from fertility drugs for as long as women have been conceiving children. The recent difficulties seen by so many women are related to venereal disease that has gone undiagnosed, thus scarring the fallopian tubes.

Once a woman has had several natural deliveries she has a pretty good handle on just how her labor is proceeding - better than the doctor in many cases. The leakage of amniotic fluid is not necessarily a sign that delivery is imminent. Things may prolong themselves for hours or even days afterwards.

Posted by: Granny at July 26, 2010 03:30 PM (jpld8)

191 The Mr. and I were watching "I Didn't Know I Was Pregnant" on TLC last night. Clearly, there are enough women who don't obviously show signs of pregnancy for TLC to make an entire TV series out of it. Many of these women are either grossly overweight or very fit - Sarah obviously falls into the latter category. Why exactly is it so far-fetched that Sarah Palin wouldn't have the stereotypical huge pregnant belly? Lots of the women on that show were also older - it wasn't uncommon for them to mistake pregnancy symptoms for signs of menopause. These liberals are clearly delusional or completely ignorant of reproduction, or both.

Posted by: Angry Beaver at July 26, 2010 03:58 PM (1rfJ1)

192 Why exactly is it so far-fetched that Sarah Palin wouldn't have the stereotypical huge pregnant belly?

Someone touched on this above. Down Syndrome children deliver at a lesser birth weight.

Posted by: Public Service Message at July 26, 2010 06:50 PM (IhHdM)

193 To ignorant one at comment 14.

NO, not all women over 35 have amnio during pregnancy.

My 37-year old wife didn't have it done, and while the doctor explained it to me, my wife had to calm me down when his implication was that we might abort the child. She saved the doctors nose.

My son could have come out looking like an iguana and he would have been loved 100%.

The liberals answer to most problems is to kill it and hide it. The ends justify the means. A lot of surprised people in Hell I imagine.

You know what is fun? Asking a liberal to log into the net so together you and them and can watch "Silent Scream". Squirmfest for our oh-so-compassionate crowd.

Posted by: Sapwolf at July 26, 2010 11:07 PM (Fhc5/)

194 one of my hobbies is genealogy. I have MANY ancestors who gave birth to healthy babies in their forties, two as late as 47 and 49. The currentepidemic offertility problems has little to do with age.

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