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Neda
More details are emerging about the 26 year old young woman whose cold blooded murder was captured on video and quickly became the face of the Second Iranian Revolution.
The BBC Persia (via HufPo, it's worth the click) has an interview with Neda's fiance. Needless to say, it's well worth the read. (scroll down to 1:03pm update for full interview)Kasamin Makan, Neda Agha-Setan's fiancee, was interviewed by BBC Persia, noting that Neda would have turned 27 this year. "Neda's goal was not Mousavi or Ahmadinejad, it was her country and was important for her to fight for this goal. She had said many times that if she had lost her life or been shot in the heart, which indeed what happened, it was important for her to continue in this path," he said. ..."It seems that Mr. Mousavi's supporters are trying to portray Neda as one of his supporters. This is not so. Neda was incredibly close to me and she was never supportive of either two groups. Neda wanted freedom and freedom for all."The regime outlawed any memorials for Neda but that didn't stop protesters from gathering. Of course, the thugs attacked. "comatus" from the comments
I finally looked at her picture, and she looked familiar somehow. I think we have a statue of her in the harbor at New York. Delacroix caught a glimpse of her once on a barricade in Paris. She carried water to the cannon crews at Monmouth, and drove a chariot at Watling Street. She cut off Holophernes' head. She will be missed, but she will be back. She's that kind of girl.What Neda's death means to different generations in Iran. It's a Daily Beast link via Allah but worth the read.
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White House announced that President Obama will hold news conf. Tuesday. 12:30pm, Rose Garden. Q's on Iran likely. #IranElection
Posted by: ArandomPerson at June 22, 2009 12:55 PM (MSMPS)
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To the freedom loving people in Iran; Arm yourselves, defend yourselves and gain your freedom. The ground has been watered with the blood of patriots, now water it with the blood of tyrants. May the tree of liberty flourish.
Posted by: teej at June 22, 2009 12:56 PM (c459z)
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So what did he say?
Posted by: joncelli at June 22, 2009 12:56 PM (RD7QR)
4
What a brave young woman. What a tragedy she was cut down.
Posted by: JEA at June 22, 2009 12:59 PM (ZO0u/)
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I would like to note that I have seen many people (strong lefties) at other places praise Fox (in suprise/shock) for thier coverage while cursing CNN as gov't stooges.
I would also like to note that many diverse pople (lefties/righties for exampel) are putting aside their differences and working for Iranian people.
Mostly those who complain are those that are disapopointed their people are seeing/working with the 'other side' as normal people. Not screeching lefites or hate filled righties.
Like soccer games on christmas in WWI trenches between the troops of the armies were broken up by the officers or the trading that went on between confed/union troops, etc.
I would also like to note that many diverse pople (lefties/righties for exampel) are putting aside their differences and working for Iranian people.
Mostly those who complain are those that are disapopointed their people are seeing/working with the 'other side' as normal people. Not screeching lefites or hate filled righties.
Like soccer games on christmas in WWI trenches between the troops of the armies were broken up by the officers or the trading that went on between confed/union troops, etc.
Posted by: ArandomPerson at June 22, 2009 01:00 PM (MSMPS)
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He laid out his Iran plan :
Phase 1 : Say nothing as evil Iranian regime kills its citizens
Phase 2 : ?
Phase 3 : Negotiate with said regime
Phase 1 : Say nothing as evil Iranian regime kills its citizens
Phase 2 : ?
Phase 3 : Negotiate with said regime
Posted by: ricky at June 22, 2009 01:01 PM (muUqs)
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http://tinyurl.com/ljs7js
For the fourth time in five months on the job, President Obama will hold a news conference with Washington reporters -- this time, in the Rose Garden of the White House. (tomorrow)
White House press conferences in the past have been seen as free-wheeling events, with notepad-waving reporters shouting and competing for the president's attention. But under Obama and his predecessor, President George W. Bush, they have been somewhat scripted and tightly controlled.
The president decides in advance who he will call on, choosing from a list before him at the podium. The opportunities for anyone not on that list is pretty limited, and asking a follow-up question generally depends on how aggressive the reporter wants to be.
Bush pre-approved journalists and their questions?
For the fourth time in five months on the job, President Obama will hold a news conference with Washington reporters -- this time, in the Rose Garden of the White House. (tomorrow)
White House press conferences in the past have been seen as free-wheeling events, with notepad-waving reporters shouting and competing for the president's attention. But under Obama and his predecessor, President George W. Bush, they have been somewhat scripted and tightly controlled.
The president decides in advance who he will call on, choosing from a list before him at the podium. The opportunities for anyone not on that list is pretty limited, and asking a follow-up question generally depends on how aggressive the reporter wants to be.
Bush pre-approved journalists and their questions?
Posted by: momma at June 22, 2009 01:01 PM (penCf)
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Bush pre-approved journalists and their questions?
That's honestly the first I've heard of it. Wouldn't you think there'd be endless screeching about it if this were the case? Not sayin' it isn't true, but I'd be shocked if the press didn't whine about it for 8 years if it were.
That's honestly the first I've heard of it. Wouldn't you think there'd be endless screeching about it if this were the case? Not sayin' it isn't true, but I'd be shocked if the press didn't whine about it for 8 years if it were.
Posted by: Filly at June 22, 2009 01:05 PM (lsiux)
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Tuesday. TUESDAY. And yet I still know what he will have said. (Is that a convincing dodge at all?)
Posted by: joncelli at June 22, 2009 01:06 PM (RD7QR)
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remember hackers needed at NedaNet http://tinyurl.com/l5krnq
At #3: I am not following O's blather. I know that people in Iraq are following his words/actions closely. Could be misinformation.
At #3: I am not following O's blather. I know that people in Iraq are following his words/actions closely. Could be misinformation.
Posted by: ArandomPerson at June 22, 2009 01:06 PM (MSMPS)
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Politico getting in on the act re Obama's falling numbers
FINALLY.
All it takes is a ton of emails to the editors to get some action
Eroding confidence in President Barack Obama’s handling of the
economy and ability to control on spending have caused his approval
ratings to wilt to their lowest levels since taking office, according
to a spate of recent polls, a sign of political weakness that comes
just as he most needs leverage on Capitol Hill.
The good news for Obama is that his approval ratings—57 percent in a
Gallup tracking poll over the weekend—remain comfortably high by
historical standards for presidents.
But the trend lines among a variety of polls over the past several
days are unmistakable: Independents and even some Republicans who once
viewed him sympathetically are becoming skeptical, and many people of
all stripes are anxious about economic and fiscal trends.
Obama’s approval rating has dipped below 60 percent on other
occasions according to Gallup, but while those slumps lasted only a
day, this one appears to be more persistent.
FINALLY.
All it takes is a ton of emails to the editors to get some action
Eroding confidence in President Barack Obama’s handling of the
economy and ability to control on spending have caused his approval
ratings to wilt to their lowest levels since taking office, according
to a spate of recent polls, a sign of political weakness that comes
just as he most needs leverage on Capitol Hill.
The good news for Obama is that his approval ratings—57 percent in a
Gallup tracking poll over the weekend—remain comfortably high by
historical standards for presidents.
But the trend lines among a variety of polls over the past several
days are unmistakable: Independents and even some Republicans who once
viewed him sympathetically are becoming skeptical, and many people of
all stripes are anxious about economic and fiscal trends.
Obama’s approval rating has dipped below 60 percent on other
occasions according to Gallup, but while those slumps lasted only a
day, this one appears to be more persistent.
Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at June 22, 2009 01:10 PM (5r0Tz)
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I just saw Obama. He's got his head buried in the sand like I do hoping this Iran thing goes away.
Posted by: Some Ostrich at June 22, 2009 01:12 PM (UMwMT)
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Tomorrow. "I, your most eloquent Majesty, finally have figured out something to say, but I won't say it until tomorrow."
They must need the time to hold rehearsals with the chosen reporters.
They must need the time to hold rehearsals with the chosen reporters.
Posted by: t-bird at June 22, 2009 01:13 PM (FcR7P)
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Politico getting in on the act re Obama's falling numbers
Politico sounds very disappointed to report those numbers.
Politico sounds very disappointed to report those numbers.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 22, 2009 01:14 PM (1Jaio)
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You know Tiger lost today because the course, the weather and his knee (MO) got the better of him. For some reason lately Tiger reminds me of the prez. Glover played a good game on a tough, subtly difficult course, he deserved his win. Glover realized early on that sometimes you have to go against what you know is the "right way in golf" and just use a different club from everyone else. Mixing the art and the science are what makes the champions.
Posted by: muffy at June 22, 2009 01:15 PM (zplc6)
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"Bush pre-approved journalists and their questions?"
That was the way they phrase "Refused to call on Helen Thomas at any point, ever, after she was a complete ass one time too many."
That was the way they phrase "Refused to call on Helen Thomas at any point, ever, after she was a complete ass one time too many."
Posted by: Al at June 22, 2009 01:16 PM (CyBUS)
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The president decides in advance who he will call on, choosing from a list before him at the podium.
Bull, I never saw Bush consult any list in deciding who to call on - does not ring true. The guy stood there and took the slings and arrows and cheapshots that would have had Obama stomping out of the room!!
Bull, I never saw Bush consult any list in deciding who to call on - does not ring true. The guy stood there and took the slings and arrows and cheapshots that would have had Obama stomping out of the room!!
Posted by: sherlock at June 22, 2009 01:17 PM (G9/8V)
18
Can't I just eat my waffle cone?
Posted by: Barry Soetoro at June 22, 2009 01:19 PM (iWw2j)
19
Hey - Who's up for an icecream?
Posted by: Barry the Indifferent at June 22, 2009 01:19 PM (RkRxq)
20
You insult Tiger Woods greatly by even the suggestion of comparability.
Posted by: t-bird at June 22, 2009 01:20 PM (FcR7P)
21
I had never heard of that before either. I figured if he had, we would have heard, 'well Bush did it' everytime we brought this up to a lib.
Posted by: momma at June 22, 2009 01:21 PM (penCf)
22
Adam Smart had the protection of the Cone of Silence, where you couldn't hear anything he said.
Bambi has the protection of the Cone of Waffling, where the MSM.won't ask him any tough questions, or will let him change his stories at will and never call him on it.
Bambi has the protection of the Cone of Waffling, where the MSM.won't ask him any tough questions, or will let him change his stories at will and never call him on it.
Posted by: sherlock at June 22, 2009 01:22 PM (G9/8V)
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Maybe one of Bush's former press secretaries could call them on that one?
Posted by: muffy at June 22, 2009 01:23 PM (zplc6)
24
Dude, Tiger is one of the biggest babies in sports. Hell, he and JR. whine when they win!
Posted by: momma at June 22, 2009 01:23 PM (penCf)
25
The president decides in advance who he will call on, choosing from a list before him at the podium...
Yeah, remember the outrage when W chose that obvious Republican stooge that threw the shoe at him? What a pussy, couldn't risk any unscripted situations...
Yeah, remember the outrage when W chose that obvious Republican stooge that threw the shoe at him? What a pussy, couldn't risk any unscripted situations...
Posted by: t-bird at June 22, 2009 01:23 PM (FcR7P)
26
I support nationalized health care because I can no longer afford all the anti-psychotics I'm supposed to be taking.
Posted by: Nigel Tufts at June 22, 2009 01:24 PM (/8Gs3)
27
example of outing of Basiji thugs by intnet groups on the ground
(not neda's killer)
http://twitpic.com/83uhp
(not neda's killer)
http://twitpic.com/83uhp
Posted by: ArandomPerson at June 22, 2009 01:25 PM (MSMPS)
28
And there you have it, ladies and gentlemen.
Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at June 22, 2009 01:26 PM (SCcgT)
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I finally looked at her picture, and she looked familiar somehow. I think we have a statue of her in the harbor at New York. Delacroix caught a glimpse of her once on a barricade in Paris.She carried water to the cannon crews at Monmouth, and drove a chariot at Watling Street. She cut off Holophernes' head.
She will be missed, but she will be back. She's that kind of girl.
She will be missed, but she will be back. She's that kind of girl.
Posted by: comatus at June 22, 2009 01:27 PM (XTm8J)
30
OT about Tiger Woods - My hubby went on a fishing charter in Alaska a few years back. The charter operator actually had Tiger Woods as one of his clients and said this of him (I quote) "an arrogant asshole". A sports messiah complex, maybe?
Posted by: IC at June 22, 2009 01:27 PM (jZNCU)
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The president decides in advance who he will call on, choosing from a list before him at the podium.
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English isn't my strong suite but shouldn't that be lecturn instead of podium?
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English isn't my strong suite but shouldn't that be lecturn instead of podium?
Posted by: scif at June 22, 2009 01:27 PM (gN72I)
32
Nigel, take your meds. Now.
Posted by: Trimegistus at June 22, 2009 01:28 PM (jLf0x)
33
I and others will hold specific individuals in the media and warbloggin' sphere responsible.
I laughed out loud. Nice that its was bolded or I would have missed it as I scrolled past.
I laughed out loud. Nice that its was bolded or I would have missed it as I scrolled past.
Posted by: occam's razor at June 22, 2009 01:28 PM (PD1tk)
34
Eh, is Nigel having a meltdown? He is barely coherent.
Posted by: IC at June 22, 2009 01:29 PM (jZNCU)
35
dammit
Posted by: toby928: fagotty faux-con fragging race traitor at June 22, 2009 01:29 PM (PD1tk)
36
Rise up against the imperialist American method of using white space and paragraph breaks!
Posted by: Nigel Crust at June 22, 2009 01:30 PM (vsUUu)
37
Like soccer games on christmas in WWI trenches between the troops of the armies were broken up by the officers or the trading that went on between confed/union troops, etc.
Huh?
Mostly those who complain are those that are disapopointed their people are seeing/working with the 'other side' as normal people. Not screeching lefites or hate filled righties.
Huh?
Huh?
Mostly those who complain are those that are disapopointed their people are seeing/working with the 'other side' as normal people. Not screeching lefites or hate filled righties.
Huh?
Posted by: Entropy at June 22, 2009 01:31 PM (m6c4H)
38
Dump that trolling crap please, somebody. Thats nothing but a thread dump, nobody needs it.
Posted by: Dang Straights at June 22, 2009 01:32 PM (Haq+B)
39
Decaf, Nigel. They even have decaf tea now.
Posted by: joncelli at June 22, 2009 01:32 PM (RD7QR)
40
Coo-coo for cocoa puffs.
Posted by: Eleven at June 22, 2009 01:32 PM (7DB+a)
41
Isn't nigel the one who has to wear sunglasses so people don't see his blue eyes and, unrelated to eye color, beating the snot out of him for being a raging bigot?
Posted by: I have a Jalen Rose jersey at June 22, 2009 01:32 PM (4yrb2)
42
Nigel
26 I support nationalized health care because I can no longer afford all the anti-psychotics I'm supposed to be taking.
May I suggest the low cost cure? I call it the self administered high velocity lead pill, taken orally. Only one dose offers complete relief of all symptoms. Guaranteed!
26 I support nationalized health care because I can no longer afford all the anti-psychotics I'm supposed to be taking.
May I suggest the low cost cure? I call it the self administered high velocity lead pill, taken orally. Only one dose offers complete relief of all symptoms. Guaranteed!
Posted by: maddogg at June 22, 2009 01:33 PM (OlN4e)
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14
Politico getting in on the act re Obama's falling numbers
Politico sounds very disappointed to report those numbers.
So what?
I did my best to embarrass them yesterday by emailing a few articles from June 2001 MSM ragging Bush for falling poll numbers when he fell to 55% - i guess embarrassment got to them
Politico getting in on the act re Obama's falling numbers
Politico sounds very disappointed to report those numbers.
So what?
I did my best to embarrass them yesterday by emailing a few articles from June 2001 MSM ragging Bush for falling poll numbers when he fell to 55% - i guess embarrassment got to them
Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at June 22, 2009 01:34 PM (5r0Tz)
44
#29 - thread winner.
Posted by: Skookumchuk at June 22, 2009 01:35 PM (8fmXu)
45
@Entropy
WWI look up: world war one christmas truce and soccer match
Civil war: Trading tabbaco for coffee
WWI look up: world war one christmas truce and soccer match
Civil war: Trading tabbaco for coffee
Posted by: ArandomPerson at June 22, 2009 01:35 PM (MSMPS)
46
Dow's off -159.84. On the upside, it's because the price of oil went down. If that makes sense.
Posted by: joncelli at June 22, 2009 01:41 PM (RD7QR)
47
I regret the loss of Neda. I feel she was an unnecessary loss, however, The idea is not to lose your life for your freedom. The Idea is to make that son of a bitch trying to take your freedom lose his life.
Posted by: maddogg at June 22, 2009 01:43 PM (OlN4e)
48
The 'Bamster wrote a book praising the father who abandon him, Dreams of My Father, and threw the cracker-assed, racist grandma who raised and supported him under the bus in an effort to say Crazy Jerry Wright. The 'Bamster inability to distinguish between virtue and evil as well as his unerring ability to chose evil over virtue, is longstanding.
Posted by: WalrusRex at June 22, 2009 01:46 PM (xxgag)
49
I agree with maddog and i am perplexed that Obama has had little to nothing to say about Iran. Seriously? Is this some type of strategy he is using..mind tricks on the mullahs?
I didn't catch the news conference..anyone have a run down of what was said?
I didn't catch the news conference..anyone have a run down of what was said?
Posted by: Tinkerbella at June 22, 2009 01:48 PM (WX5dW)
50
Maddogg is wrong about one thing: this was a necessary death for Iran to wake up.
Same as in the last revolution, and basically throughout all of shia islam, these people center their constructive protests around 'mourning'.
It's stupid, and it shouldn't be that way. While I do think big changes are coming to Iran, I do not see these people moving away from theocracy. too many crazies and too much apathy. This girl didn't like Mousavi any more than Ahmedinijad, according to reports, but she's being used by Mousavi as a prop. And he's probably going to get away with it.
Same as in the last revolution, and basically throughout all of shia islam, these people center their constructive protests around 'mourning'.
It's stupid, and it shouldn't be that way. While I do think big changes are coming to Iran, I do not see these people moving away from theocracy. too many crazies and too much apathy. This girl didn't like Mousavi any more than Ahmedinijad, according to reports, but she's being used by Mousavi as a prop. And he's probably going to get away with it.
Posted by: I don't know yet at June 22, 2009 01:52 PM (bom8L)
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#22 Adam Smart had the protection of the Cone of Silence, where you couldn't hear anything he said.
Would you believe it was Maxwell Smart?
Would you believe it was Maxwell Smart?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 22, 2009 01:53 PM (1Jaio)
52
I watched Fox and Friends this morning and they played a clip of Obama while he was on the Early Show interviewed by Harry Smith. Obama looked like he was so over Iran and North Korea. You could tell he was tired, angry, frustrated, hopeless - not inspirational at all. We're in a position to inspire strength and hope in Iran and this is out the prez looks. He looked like he was mad that all these "distractions" were getting in the way of his master healthcare plan.
Posted by: Adrienne at June 22, 2009 01:59 PM (13T2s)
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@49 Tinkerbella, BHO is quite upset that this Iran Thing has upset his/inside group timetable. They know that they must pass as many bad laws as possible before the greater number of people turn on him. Time is not on his side and he knows it.
Posted by: Mystry at June 22, 2009 02:00 PM (dIHlE)
54
"out" = how
Posted by: Adrienne at June 22, 2009 02:01 PM (aa5rL)
55
Great, Maria is announcing that the economy is going to shrink more than they originally thought. Thanks CNBC, wish I could go back to watching golf.
Posted by: muffy at June 22, 2009 02:01 PM (zplc6)
56
I finally looked at her picture, and she looked familiar somehow. I think we have a statue of her in the harbor at New York. Delacroix caught a glimpse of her once on a barricade in Paris.She carried water to the cannon crews at Monmouth, and drove a chariot at Watling Street. She cut off Holophernes' head.
She will be missed, but she will be back. She's that kind of girl.
comatus, you both sent a shiver up my spine and made me cry with this comment, it was beautiful. Dammit, now I'm bawling my eyes out.
She will be missed, but she will be back. She's that kind of girl.
comatus, you both sent a shiver up my spine and made me cry with this comment, it was beautiful. Dammit, now I'm bawling my eyes out.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at June 22, 2009 02:04 PM (AJ4xq)
57
Yahoo headlines:
•Iran police crush protest with tear gas, bullets •Official: N. Korean ship carrying banned weapons to Myanmar•Obama signs strongest anti-smoking measure ever
And you unempathetic morons think Obama has dumb priorities andis shirking his duty!
•Iran police crush protest with tear gas, bullets •Official: N. Korean ship carrying banned weapons to Myanmar•Obama signs strongest anti-smoking measure ever
And you unempathetic morons think Obama has dumb priorities andis shirking his duty!
Posted by: Wise Latina at June 22, 2009 02:05 PM (ads9P)
58
I am noticing a trend. Supporters are finding the position of the administration untenable given the straight up shot of reality we just got. Their arguments become confusing and weak (more so than usual), they know what is right, and are having cognitive dissonance with what the collective says they should think and do.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at June 22, 2009 02:08 PM (0q2P7)
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Sorry, I just can't care too much. I know that, objectively, since Obama plans to let Iran have nukes, it would be nice if the government were a bit less crazy, but I just don't like the Iranians as a people, though I know there are some nice individuals. I have spent pretty much my entire media-aware life watching whackjobs scream "death to America", "death to the Jooz" etc., and I tend to think that most of them mean it. Now some of them are screaming "death to dictators"? How about "down with dictators" or "make my vote count" - and of course they are always still screaming "Allahu Akbar". In the 1980s, they probably screamed "death to New Coke" and claimed that the switch was a Zionist conspiracy.
Frankly I tend to think that, as a nation, they are bent - too much propoganda over too long a period. Maybe there are "good" educated elites, but if they achieve real democracy, that may not matter more than it does now. I don't think even the vaunted youth democraphic likes America - sure they like American dollars, Nike, Coke, Pixar and all that, but they don't like America the nation (not that they really know or understand it) and they'll scream "death to America" at the rumor of a dropped Koran.
Frankly I tend to think that, as a nation, they are bent - too much propoganda over too long a period. Maybe there are "good" educated elites, but if they achieve real democracy, that may not matter more than it does now. I don't think even the vaunted youth democraphic likes America - sure they like American dollars, Nike, Coke, Pixar and all that, but they don't like America the nation (not that they really know or understand it) and they'll scream "death to America" at the rumor of a dropped Koran.
Posted by: Holdfast at June 22, 2009 02:09 PM (Gzb30)
Posted by: Entropy at June 22, 2009 02:13 PM (m6c4H)
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Why would Obama jeopardize his retirement plans by speaking up aqgainst despots and dictators. This is how he plans to amass $400 million eight years after he leaves the White House just as the Clintons did.
Obama is such a coward. What an incompetent idiot who thinks hobnobing with dictators is more important than developing allies or retaining them. What a chimp!
Obama is such a coward. What an incompetent idiot who thinks hobnobing with dictators is more important than developing allies or retaining them. What a chimp!
Posted by: Thomas Jackson at June 22, 2009 02:13 PM (B8gqF)
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ParanoidGirlInSeattle
Did you read her sister's letter?
I'll post if you would like to read it.
Since you're already crying....
Did you read her sister's letter?
I'll post if you would like to read it.
Since you're already crying....
Posted by: loppyd at June 22, 2009 02:14 PM (oqAUJ)
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they'll scream "death to America" at the rumor of a dropped Koran.
Sounds not unlike the american left to me.
Sounds not unlike the american left to me.
Posted by: UofC Conservative at June 22, 2009 02:16 PM (3FkM/)
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General Ali Fazli, who was recently appointed as a commander of the Revolutionary Guards in the province of Tehran, is reported to have been arrested after he refused to carry out orders from the Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei to use force on people protesting the controversial re-election of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
General Ali Fazli, who was recently appointed as a commander of the Revolutionary Guards in the province of Tehran, is reported to have been arrested after he refused to carry out orders from the Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei to use force on people protesting the controversial re-election of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
Posted by: Neo at June 22, 2009 02:16 PM (5d1ix)
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My perception, of course, is that he is apologetic for anything America and Bush didprior to his presentterm of office. however, if you dare be snarky or even have the discourtesy to criticise His presidency,why, he is deeply hurtthat you could even think of such a thing. I honestly have no idea why he is that way!
Posted by: Mystry at June 22, 2009 02:16 PM (dIHlE)
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Holdfast,
Dude, I could round up as many people born and raised in the US to do that as you've seen in Iran.
They may not love us (though more than a few like us), them starting
down the road to decency is in our interests. Even in a best case
scenario they will want the bomb but if there aren't crazy mullahs with
their fingers on the button and they decide they'd rather be rich than
isolated because of their support of terror groups, the world will be a
lot better off.
America's never been as loved worldwide as we like to imagine. No one
really likes the star football player with all the money and girls,
even if he is a great guy. In fact that usually makes us dislike them
all the more. It's just human nature.
We don't need to be loved or even feared (at least by decent nations) just left alone and be able to do business with.
On all those counts, the people in the streets in Iran, on balance are our best hope.
On a personal note, I'm usually with the people who want 'freedom' and are willing to charge unarmed after armed thugs to get it. We can sort the details out of what it all means later.
Dude, I could round up as many people born and raised in the US to do that as you've seen in Iran.
They may not love us (though more than a few like us), them starting
down the road to decency is in our interests. Even in a best case
scenario they will want the bomb but if there aren't crazy mullahs with
their fingers on the button and they decide they'd rather be rich than
isolated because of their support of terror groups, the world will be a
lot better off.
America's never been as loved worldwide as we like to imagine. No one
really likes the star football player with all the money and girls,
even if he is a great guy. In fact that usually makes us dislike them
all the more. It's just human nature.
We don't need to be loved or even feared (at least by decent nations) just left alone and be able to do business with.
On all those counts, the people in the streets in Iran, on balance are our best hope.
On a personal note, I'm usually with the people who want 'freedom' and are willing to charge unarmed after armed thugs to get it. We can sort the details out of what it all means later.
Posted by: DrewM. at June 22, 2009 02:20 PM (iTt2X)
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Your Huffpo link led me to this nonsense:
http://tinyurl.com/mdzenx
I'm nobody's idea of an anti-gun crusader. But when I consider the sorts of things the Iranians could stand to borrow from America, a poorly worded amendment dealing with gun ownership rights and militias is way down the list.
I'm sorry but that amendment is only poorly worded if read with the eyes of a tryant or collectivist.
http://tinyurl.com/mdzenx
I'm nobody's idea of an anti-gun crusader. But when I consider the sorts of things the Iranians could stand to borrow from America, a poorly worded amendment dealing with gun ownership rights and militias is way down the list.
I'm sorry but that amendment is only poorly worded if read with the eyes of a tryant or collectivist.
Posted by: Scott J. at June 22, 2009 02:20 PM (/bVuS)
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Same as in the last revolution, and basically throughout all of shia
islam, these people center their constructive protests around
'mourning'.
It's not just Shia Islam that needs martyrs. Ninoy Aquino, Rafik Hariri, Medgar Evers, the fallen in the Boston Massacre all come to mind. Mourning as a basis for revolution or social change isn't just for the Shia.
Same as in the last revolution, and basically throughout all of shia
islam, these people center their constructive protests around
'mourning'.
It's not just Shia Islam that needs martyrs. Ninoy Aquino, Rafik Hariri, Medgar Evers, the fallen in the Boston Massacre all come to mind. Mourning as a basis for revolution or social change isn't just for the Shia.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 22, 2009 02:22 PM (oT+Ek)
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I'm usually with the people who want 'freedom' and are willing to charge unarmed after armed thugs to get it. We can sort the details out of what it all means later.
Yep, that sums it up nicely.
Yep, that sums it up nicely.
Posted by: UofC Conservative at June 22, 2009 02:25 PM (3FkM/)
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Warning...Daily Beast link ahead......
An Iranian university student on the meaning of Neda's death to different generations.
An Iranian university student on the meaning of Neda's death to different generations.
Posted by: DrewM. at June 22, 2009 02:30 PM (iTt2X)
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Great, Maria is announcing that the economy is going to shrink more than they originally thought.
I was in the pool!
I was in the pool!
Posted by: The Economy at June 22, 2009 02:32 PM (KYYV4)
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# 62 loppyd
I'd like to read that letter, if you will post it.
I'd like to read that letter, if you will post it.
Posted by: maddogg at June 22, 2009 02:43 PM (OlN4e)
Posted by: loppyd at June 22, 2009 02:44 PM (oqAUJ)
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maddogg:
Yesterday I wrote a note, with the subject line “tomorrow is a
great day perhaps tomorrow I’ll be killed.†I’m here to let you know
I’m alive but my sister was killed…
I’m here to tell you my sister died while in her father’s hands
I’m here to tell you my sister had big dreams…
I’m here to tell you my sister who died was a decent person… and like
me yearned for a day when her hair would be swept by the wind… and like
me read “Forough†[Forough Farrokhzad]… and longed to live free and
equal… and she longed to hold her head up and announce, “I’m Iranianâ€â€¦
and she longed to one day fall in love to a man with a shaggy hair… and
she longed for a daughter to braid her hair and sing lullaby by her
crib…
my sister died from not having life… my sister died as injustice
has no end… my sister died since she loved life too much… and my sister
died since she lovingly cared for people…
my loving sister, I wish you had closed your eyes when your time had come… the very end of your last glance burns my soul….
sister have a short sleep. your last dream be sweet.
Yesterday I wrote a note, with the subject line “tomorrow is a
great day perhaps tomorrow I’ll be killed.†I’m here to let you know
I’m alive but my sister was killed…
I’m here to tell you my sister died while in her father’s hands
I’m here to tell you my sister had big dreams…
I’m here to tell you my sister who died was a decent person… and like
me yearned for a day when her hair would be swept by the wind… and like
me read “Forough†[Forough Farrokhzad]… and longed to live free and
equal… and she longed to hold her head up and announce, “I’m Iranianâ€â€¦
and she longed to one day fall in love to a man with a shaggy hair… and
she longed for a daughter to braid her hair and sing lullaby by her
crib…
my sister died from not having life… my sister died as injustice
has no end… my sister died since she loved life too much… and my sister
died since she lovingly cared for people…
my loving sister, I wish you had closed your eyes when your time had come… the very end of your last glance burns my soul….
sister have a short sleep. your last dream be sweet.
Posted by: loppyd at June 22, 2009 02:47 PM (oqAUJ)
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example of outing of Basiji thugs by intnet groups on the ground
(not neda's killer)I hope they slit the throats of some Basijis in their homes. They need to feel some of that ball-shrinking fear themselves. I sit watching these videos wishing I could airdrop some AK's to the protesters so they have a fighting chance.
Those thugs love to use motorcycles, I'm wondering when they'll set up some wire at neck height and clothesline those creeps.
Does this sound like it's a bit of non-Ghandi stuff? Sure, but remember that Ghandi was opposing a civilized colonial power. Englishmen stop for martyrs on the tracks, thug regimes don't. If you think we didn't play a little rough ourselves in our break from England, you should do some research.
example of outing of Basiji thugs by intnet groups on the ground
(not neda's killer)I hope they slit the throats of some Basijis in their homes. They need to feel some of that ball-shrinking fear themselves. I sit watching these videos wishing I could airdrop some AK's to the protesters so they have a fighting chance.
Those thugs love to use motorcycles, I'm wondering when they'll set up some wire at neck height and clothesline those creeps.
Does this sound like it's a bit of non-Ghandi stuff? Sure, but remember that Ghandi was opposing a civilized colonial power. Englishmen stop for martyrs on the tracks, thug regimes don't. If you think we didn't play a little rough ourselves in our break from England, you should do some research.
Posted by: kbdabear at June 22, 2009 02:59 PM (cGmnP)
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The spineless POTUS POS BHO better have something better to say than he writing a sharp tongued letter to Iran on Tuesday.
Posted by: jjk0091 at June 22, 2009 03:13 PM (aUeMZ)
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Drew - sure, and I am still more supportive than the President, but I just don't think it will matter to us all that much. This is far more about internal Iranian politics than people believe.
There is no reason that Obama could not have put out a strong statement on day 1 about respecting human rights and the integrity of elections, because those are good things in general, but I am in no way convinced that these protesters are our friends. Maybe I am just burned out by Iraq/Afstan/GWoT, but I am having real trouble finding much potential goodness anywhere in the Muslim world these days.
It would be nice if they produce a better leadership class, but Mousavi was a founder of Hezb'Allah for crissake.
There is no reason that Obama could not have put out a strong statement on day 1 about respecting human rights and the integrity of elections, because those are good things in general, but I am in no way convinced that these protesters are our friends. Maybe I am just burned out by Iraq/Afstan/GWoT, but I am having real trouble finding much potential goodness anywhere in the Muslim world these days.
It would be nice if they produce a better leadership class, but Mousavi was a founder of Hezb'Allah for crissake.
Posted by: Holdfast at June 22, 2009 03:22 PM (Gzb30)
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#29, your note took my breath away. Absolutely beautiful.
Posted by: The Pancake at June 22, 2009 03:36 PM (nug4S)
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Posted by: Holdfast at June 22, 2009 03:22 PM (Gzb30)
I'm not all doe eyed over Mousavi. My hope (and that's all it is) is that they bring the Mullahs down. That will go a long way to making things better. Mousavi may or may not be different than the guy who was PM 25 years ago but if he gets the gig now, he will owe it to 'the people' more than the Mullahs. I'm betting (and hoping) that they are more interested in a better life than in being isolated because their goverment wants to blow up Jews.
I could be wrong but I'd rather see the fire burn and find out where it takes us.
I'm not all doe eyed over Mousavi. My hope (and that's all it is) is that they bring the Mullahs down. That will go a long way to making things better. Mousavi may or may not be different than the guy who was PM 25 years ago but if he gets the gig now, he will owe it to 'the people' more than the Mullahs. I'm betting (and hoping) that they are more interested in a better life than in being isolated because their goverment wants to blow up Jews.
I could be wrong but I'd rather see the fire burn and find out where it takes us.
Posted by: DrewM. at June 22, 2009 03:58 PM (iTt2X)
Posted by: Mr. X at June 22, 2009 04:12 PM (7rOET)
Posted by: SGT Dan at June 22, 2009 04:12 PM (lR/Hv)
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Drew - But I don't trust the people. They are flakey at best, and too fond of beginning a sentence with "Death to...".
Posted by: Holdfast at June 22, 2009 04:13 PM (Gzb30)
Posted by: Darth Vader, on behalf of the Ruling Council at June 22, 2009 04:49 PM (aJ6rs)
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I finally looked at her picture, and she looked familiar somehow. I
think we have a statue of her in the harbor at New York. Delacroix
caught a glimpse of her once on a barricade in Paris. She carried water
to the cannon crews at Monmouth, and drove a chariot at Watling Street.
She cut off Holophernes' head.
And stabbed the terrorist Jean-Paul Marat to death in 1793.
think we have a statue of her in the harbor at New York. Delacroix
caught a glimpse of her once on a barricade in Paris. She carried water
to the cannon crews at Monmouth, and drove a chariot at Watling Street.
She cut off Holophernes' head.
And stabbed the terrorist Jean-Paul Marat to death in 1793.
Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at June 22, 2009 04:49 PM (IoUF1)
Posted by: Russ. Just Russ. at June 22, 2009 05:48 PM (QH1SN)
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#29 thank you for putting Neda in such beautiful context....well said!
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THE ONE had more to say about George Tiller's murder than Neda's. Well, he's gotta have his priorities. After Tiller, ice cream comes second.
Posted by: SFC MAC at June 23, 2009 12:07 PM (dX8Ae)
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Comatus, I believe she was also seen back in '56, taking up arms against the Soviet tanks in Budapest.
An outstanding passage. Long live Neda (Which apparently means "voice" in Persian).
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