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Inappropriate Relations With Those Firms: Charges of White House Threats to Persecute Chrysler Creditors Corroborated
Remember, the White House has categorically denied this. As Clinton denied Lewinsky.
But just as in that case, the back-up defense is already being pushed; It's no big deal, liberals are arguing. What's a little hard-ball? So as usual we have two inconsistent defenses at the same time: Of course Obama wouldn't do this; it's too egregious to even credit as being possibly being true. and: Of course Obama did do this; that's why we elected him. I wish one of these days they would limit themselves to just one defense. Anyway:Although the focus has so been on allegations that the White House threatened Perella Weinberg, sources familiar with the matter say that other firms felt they were threatened as well. None of the sources would agree to speak except on the condition of anonymity, citing fear of political repercussions. The sources, who represent creditors to Chrysler, say they were taken aback by the hardball tactics that the Obama administration employed to cajole them into acquiescing to plans to restructure Chrysler. One person described the administration as the most shocking "end justifies the means" group they have ever encountered. Another characterized Obama was "the most dangerous smooth talker on the planet- and I knew Kissinger." Both were voters for Obama in the last election. One participant in negotiations said that the administration's tactic was to present what one described as a "madman theory of the presidency" in which the President is someone to be feared because he was willing to do anything to get his way. The person said this threat was taken very seriously by his firm. The White House has denied the allegation that it threatened Perella Weinberg.They both voted for Obama. Proof again of the truism that the government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take everything away. Thanks to Anti-Harkonen Freedom Fighter Geoff. More Intimidation: Perella Weinberg feels the heat, and asks Tom Lauria to start "no commenting" everything.
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Hope they liked the taste of Obamas... genitalia. Can I say that?
Posted by: Jewells at May 05, 2009 01:09 PM (l/N7H)
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Why is it that every businessman that has walked into the White House and had a conversation that he later publicly discusses has immediatly been labeled a liar by the White House? There is a pattern here, anyone who disagrees with The One is a liar.
Posted by: Captain Ahab at May 05, 2009 01:09 PM (ewXBY)
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My kingdom for a tape of those conversations!
Ok, maybe not a kingdom but how does a pack of gum and a discount for a Bally's 24/7 membership sound?
Ok, maybe not a kingdom but how does a pack of gum and a discount for a Bally's 24/7 membership sound?
Posted by: Chimney Sweep #8 at May 05, 2009 01:09 PM (kIjlp)
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Other than Fox News (maybe), I am fairly sure none of the other networks will even mention this. Assholes.
Posted by: IC at May 05, 2009 01:10 PM (jZNCU)
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Tell Luca Brazi to come in....
Posted by: Don Obamaleone at May 05, 2009 01:10 PM (IHbof)
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Scary stuff. The sources for this article are genuinely afraid for themselves if they go public.
Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at May 05, 2009 01:11 PM (5r0Tz)
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You're taking this very personal, Ace. It's not personal. It's strictly business.
Posted by: Don Obamaleone at May 05, 2009 01:12 PM (IHbof)
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The Democrats sound a lot like small children. They show up with chocolate on their hands and face before dinner and you ask them where they got the cookie. They deny ever having eaten it until you show them the mess on their face and hands, where they promptly blame their sibling for giving it to them. This is especially tricky when they're only children.
Posted by: Colonel32 at May 05, 2009 01:13 PM (dfQ4e)
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The government should investigate this and tell us which side is telling the truth.
Posted by: t-bird at May 05, 2009 01:13 PM (FcR7P)
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StillThinking Progress has this video up at Youtube.
http://is.gd/wYIg
It's Lauria basically going on television to say nothing about the issue at the request of his client Perella Weinberg.
http://is.gd/wYIg
It's Lauria basically going on television to say nothing about the issue at the request of his client Perella Weinberg.
Posted by: WTF Capital Investments at May 05, 2009 01:15 PM (GtYrq)
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il Duce would have been so proud.
Posted by: maddogg at May 05, 2009 01:15 PM (OlN4e)
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Thank you for the dinner and a very pleasant evening. Have your car
take me to the airport. Mr Obamaleone is a man who insists on hearing bad
news at once.
take me to the airport. Mr Obamaleone is a man who insists on hearing bad
news at once.
Posted by: Rahm "Tom Hagen" Emmanuel at May 05, 2009 01:15 PM (IHbof)
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There's a lesson here: Never go into the Obama camp, make them come to yours. Then you can control what gets recorded...because you'll have to be recording everything from now on for your own protection.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 05, 2009 01:15 PM (Y7A8h)
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no investigations here, t-bird.
this will be a strictly media battle...and tapper/business insider/lauria and ace/ed have thrown down the gauntlet - that's why the left is freaking out. shrillness by lefties is
this will be a strictly media battle...and tapper/business insider/lauria and ace/ed have thrown down the gauntlet - that's why the left is freaking out. shrillness by lefties is
Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at May 05, 2009 01:15 PM (5r0Tz)
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Gee, I'm shocked I tell you. Shocked! I would have never seen this coming. Never! From a Chicago politician? Why, he'll give the city a bad name.
Posted by: teej at May 05, 2009 01:16 PM (QdUKm)
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4pm today Lauria will be on Cavuto. hopefully cavuto is paying attention and will have this followup article with the add'l sources.
Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at May 05, 2009 01:17 PM (5r0Tz)
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Obama is forgetting that first he has to establish the socialist state and the gulags and THEN he can start rounding up non-believers. Can't put the cart before the horse.
Posted by: jason at May 05, 2009 01:17 PM (h1iGP)
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I'm glad Obama voters are getting their due. I just wish it didn't come at such a large cost to the rest of us.
Gotta say one thing for Obama, it certainly isn't exactly business as usual when negotiating with the White House these days, he said change, he just never promised it would be good change.
Gotta say one thing for Obama, it certainly isn't exactly business as usual when negotiating with the White House these days, he said change, he just never promised it would be good change.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at May 05, 2009 01:18 PM (AJ4xq)
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This isn't the Steve Rattner that I knew!
If this story gains anymore legs I predict Snowe defects to the Dems to give the MSM something else to talk about.
If this story gains anymore legs I predict Snowe defects to the Dems to give the MSM something else to talk about.
Posted by: Girdyourloins! at May 05, 2009 01:18 PM (3PqHz)
Posted by: TennDon at May 05, 2009 01:18 PM (o6Yv2)
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They both voted for Obama.
I noticed this also on a report about Obama's "only people making over $250,000/yr will see a tax increase." They were interviewing people where they were making that much but not exactly living the sweet life. Basically due to their cost of living, and it didn't seem like they were in excessively large houses either. They were in the I voted for Obama boat, and weren't all that happy that he had classified them as the rich that gets to bend over for his policies. I don't think it was enough to get them to change their minds on him though, which is really amazing to me.
I noticed this also on a report about Obama's "only people making over $250,000/yr will see a tax increase." They were interviewing people where they were making that much but not exactly living the sweet life. Basically due to their cost of living, and it didn't seem like they were in excessively large houses either. They were in the I voted for Obama boat, and weren't all that happy that he had classified them as the rich that gets to bend over for his policies. I don't think it was enough to get them to change their minds on him though, which is really amazing to me.
Posted by: buzzion at May 05, 2009 01:19 PM (Lrsi6)
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The peasants ate all the horses and burned the carts for firewood last winter.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 05, 2009 01:19 PM (Y7A8h)
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How much did Lauria and his law firm donate to the democrats during the campaign? Bet that tastes pretty good now, doesn't it?
Posted by: Dang Straights at May 05, 2009 01:20 PM (Haq+B)
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I for one am very happy to see people who voted for Obama getting their wake up calls.
Jews will be the next (if they aren't already)to get the message while they watch Israel circling the bowl with Obama's hand on the handle.
I really question the accuracy and the methods used for the polls that show astronomical approval ratings. I can't find it in my own day-to-day dealings.
Jews will be the next (if they aren't already)to get the message while they watch Israel circling the bowl with Obama's hand on the handle.
I really question the accuracy and the methods used for the polls that show astronomical approval ratings. I can't find it in my own day-to-day dealings.
Posted by: noprisoners at May 05, 2009 01:20 PM (PgDzb)
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They both voted for Obama.
What did they think would happen? And I thought I was a fucking idiot. I am and my excuse is alcohol, but what is their's?
What did they think would happen? And I thought I was a fucking idiot. I am and my excuse is alcohol, but what is their's?
Posted by: COOH at May 05, 2009 01:20 PM (W0B71)
Posted by: MrsPaulsFishSticks at May 05, 2009 01:21 PM (iYbLN)
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"If this story gains anymore legs I predict Snowe defects to the Dems to give the MSM something else to talk about."
After the reception Specter is getting from the PA Dem establishment and the poll showing him losing to Ridge she might have second thoughts.
But maybe he can fire a few cruise missiles at some terrorists in Somalia.
After the reception Specter is getting from the PA Dem establishment and the poll showing him losing to Ridge she might have second thoughts.
But maybe he can fire a few cruise missiles at some terrorists in Somalia.
Posted by: jason at May 05, 2009 01:22 PM (h1iGP)
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I attribute Bammy's high poll ratings to people who are in denial: "I can't possibly have fucked up that bad, maybe things will get better if I give him a little more time."
Posted by: maddogg at May 05, 2009 01:23 PM (OlN4e)
Posted by: D-ling at May 05, 2009 01:23 PM (uaJjH)
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my excuse is alcohol, but what is their's?
They were promised Obama's cock would be strawberry flavored...but its looking like its just cock flavored.
They were promised Obama's cock would be strawberry flavored...but its looking like its just cock flavored.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 05, 2009 01:23 PM (Y7A8h)
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Obama is fucking all our unicorns now.
Posted by: MrsPaulsFishSticks at May 05, 2009 01:24 PM (iYbLN)
Posted by: norma at May 05, 2009 01:24 PM (oR/Ka)
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Don Obamaleone - How true, how true !
Posted by: TennDon at May 05, 2009 01:25 PM (o6Yv2)
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More from Hotair:
Chuck Todd agrees with Ingraham on the allegations made by Thomas Lauria
about the extortive threats against senior creditors at Chrysler,
although he wonders whether the White House may not be pleased to be
getting this criticism. Todd suggests that it may be exactly what Obama
needs to keep “pitchfork America” on his side despite the Left’s
complaints about Obama’s coziness to Wall Street:
Chuck Todd agrees with Ingraham on the allegations made by Thomas Lauria
about the extortive threats against senior creditors at Chrysler,
although he wonders whether the White House may not be pleased to be
getting this criticism. Todd suggests that it may be exactly what Obama
needs to keep “pitchfork America” on his side despite the Left’s
complaints about Obama’s coziness to Wall Street:
Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at May 05, 2009 01:25 PM (5r0Tz)
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Fuck this and the Air Force One stories, we need more stories on Obama's dog housetraining.
Posted by: MSM Butboy Editor at May 05, 2009 01:25 PM (NM1Nu)
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Be ready to stand up for the rule of law and this free Republic, even at the cost of your personal freedom or worse... It's sad we're at this point. God Save the Republic.
Posted by: GregInSeattle at May 05, 2009 01:25 PM (Ia36B)
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Don't confuse "high ratings" with the MSM hype. Actually, Obama's ratings are just average for the first hundred days of most Presidents. In fact, a little below average.
Posted by: jason at May 05, 2009 01:25 PM (h1iGP)
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Liberals have always been unprincipled thugs. They get a pass on their actions because they care. Having the msm in their pockets helps, too.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 05, 2009 01:27 PM (VW9/y)
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"Fuck this and the Air Force One stories, we need more stories on Obama's dog housetraining."
What??? I want more about the Obamas strolling on the White House lawn after dining at a posh restaurant.
What??? I want more about the Obamas strolling on the White House lawn after dining at a posh restaurant.
Posted by: jason at May 05, 2009 01:27 PM (h1iGP)
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Hard place to be for me. I get to die soon, so I can enjoy the pain of the idiots that voted for him. The hard part is I still feel sorrow for those who will be left behind. In fact the joy of seeing the idiots starting to wonder what the heck they voted for is to fleeting and not relly joy at all.
Give me Liberty or give me death. Can you imagine any politician saying that? If by some chance I'm still breathing when the time comes, I will fight for my freedom.
Give me Liberty or give me death. Can you imagine any politician saying that? If by some chance I'm still breathing when the time comes, I will fight for my freedom.
Posted by: Dennis at May 05, 2009 01:28 PM (D9SuX)
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Most of these assholes supported Barry and now they've got his knife in their backs. Problem is he will take the whole country down with them.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 05, 2009 01:28 PM (1Jaio)
Posted by: Dang Straights at May 05, 2009 01:29 PM (Haq+B)
Posted by: TennDon at May 05, 2009 01:29 PM (o6Yv2)
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That's the Chicago way.
Posted by: Jim Malone at May 05, 2009 01:31 PM (PD1tk)
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Maybe its time for the Obamas to take that dusty old, out of date portrait of George Washington down and put up Che on black velvet.
Posted by: maddogg at May 05, 2009 01:31 PM (OlN4e)
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Jason we have been doing those. It is time to move on now. Vanity Fair just did a piece on the fashion stylings of Michelle and AP did one on the Obama's strolling around holding hands so it would be kinda redundant but would be good spanking material for Chris Mathews. I will take under advisement though thanks for your thoughts.
Posted by: MSM Butboy Editor at May 05, 2009 01:32 PM (NM1Nu)
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They both voted for Obama.
Dear Obama voter getting completely screwed over,
First of all... Hah! Second of all, when you Wall Street Obama donor types get together now and then, and you talk privately amongst yourselves about how this guy is using a sandpaper dildo on your ass while completely undermining the markets by his arbitrary moves, I hope -- I really do -- that you remember this in 2010 and 2012 when you are again asked for financial support and your vote.
Fool me once... and all that.
That would be nice. Sincerely,
Dear Obama voter getting completely screwed over,
First of all... Hah! Second of all, when you Wall Street Obama donor types get together now and then, and you talk privately amongst yourselves about how this guy is using a sandpaper dildo on your ass while completely undermining the markets by his arbitrary moves, I hope -- I really do -- that you remember this in 2010 and 2012 when you are again asked for financial support and your vote.
Fool me once... and all that.
That would be nice. Sincerely,
Posted by: Lee at May 05, 2009 01:34 PM (TxTIh)
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"If this story gains anymore legs I predict Snowe defects to the Dems to give the MSM something else to talk about."
Either that, or Bo (the dog, that is...or maybe I should clarify further...the four legged creature) will do something incredibly cute that absolutely must be run on all stations.
And, don't forget, the Memorial Day holiday is coming up soon. I guess we should expect "something" to be released, quietly, that weekend.
Either that, or Bo (the dog, that is...or maybe I should clarify further...the four legged creature) will do something incredibly cute that absolutely must be run on all stations.
And, don't forget, the Memorial Day holiday is coming up soon. I guess we should expect "something" to be released, quietly, that weekend.
Posted by: sydney jane at May 05, 2009 01:34 PM (T8h7U)
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Hey Obama, don't think we're not keeping score, brother.
Posted by: Waterhouse at May 05, 2009 01:34 PM (C/Car)
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Remember when it was wrong to have an Enemies List?
Posted by: Dick Nixon at May 05, 2009 01:34 PM (MMC8r)
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This story will be dropped by the press the minute Billy Ayers is nominated to the SCOTUS.
Posted by: Toad at May 05, 2009 01:35 PM (o5vMm)
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Remember when dissent was patriotic? Hahahahahhaha god that brings a tear to my eye every time I say it now I laugh so hard.
Posted by: MSM Butboy Editor at May 05, 2009 01:36 PM (NM1Nu)
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We need an independent investigator along with federal prosecutors looking into this abuse of power from the White House. Those found to have engaged in mob like tactics should be prosecuted and imprisoned and/or impeached, including our socialist sack of shit for a president.
Posted by: The Great Satan™ at May 05, 2009 01:37 PM (q+hzF)
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Oooh!..... He's so forceful... like a real man.
We know he doesn't want to hurt us, he just loves us too much.
We know he doesn't want to hurt us, he just loves us too much.
Posted by: The Enchanted at May 05, 2009 01:38 PM (7DB+a)
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Why the heck is Obama's Gallup approval rating at 67%?
Honestly, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!
Honestly, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!
Posted by: Beppo at May 05, 2009 01:39 PM (Ka5Jh)
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Hope they liked the taste of Obamas... genitalia. Can I say that?
The creditors, being greedy and bitter, were not privileged with that particular grace. I rather expect they were only permitted to, uh, sniff the First Genitalia.
Hope they liked the taste of Obamas... genitalia. Can I say that?
The creditors, being greedy and bitter, were not privileged with that particular grace. I rather expect they were only permitted to, uh, sniff the First Genitalia.
Posted by: George Orwell at May 05, 2009 01:40 PM (AZGON)
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BTW - Off Topic:
I've run into a big problem at the Rotten Tomatoes Off Topic Forum:
http://tinyurl.com/d924mt
There is a troll there that is 'policing' the board for ANYBODY that makes a pro-military comment on ANYTHING, including the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
He claims he is a former Army Vet that served in 'the Iran-Iraq War' and in the Persian Gulf War in 1991.
He is '66% disabled with Gulf War Syndrome'. He lives in Germany at present, and regularly regales the board with tales of his socialistic free 'health care' and the great big check he gets from Uncle Sam every month for being disabled.
He is relentlessly pursuing every conservative on those boards ESPECIALLY those who make pro-military comments and either:
1. attacking them for not having enlisted in the Military
or
2. if military service is claimed, he'll begin tirelessly demanding information such as MOS, DD214 stampings, VA paperwork, etc. etc.
I ended up getting into a flame war with this guy .
Rather than simply admit I was deaf and take the 'neo-con chickenhawk' treatment, I lied. I told the guy I had been in the Marines.
Oooh. Big mistake. It took him less than 3 questions to expose me. Yes, yes, I know I shouldn't have done it, lie to an internet troll and all. It was embarrassing.
Still, I've seen him relentlessly go after several other people the past few weeks.
Apparently this guy has done this to several conservative posters; the moment ANYBODY makes a pro -military comment they get the "You're just another neo-con chickenhawk that never served" attack or the "Oh you claim to be a vet eh? Prove it!" attack. He practically goads people into lying to him then calls them on it. He does seem to have a deeply detailed knowledge of military matters.
Since this guy has taken it upon himself to personally vet EVERY SINGLE PERSON that shows up on that board to post as a conservative so he can give them either the 'coward chickenhawk' or 'fake vet' treatment, I'd like to steer some actual conservative vets his way.
Any takers?
p.s. - I DON'T have to tell you this guys screen name. Just post something related to current events that even remotely identifies you in the Off Topic Forum as either a conservative, or even worse - a conservative military vet - and trust me. HE WILL FIND YOU.
BTW - Off Topic:
I've run into a big problem at the Rotten Tomatoes Off Topic Forum:
http://tinyurl.com/d924mt
There is a troll there that is 'policing' the board for ANYBODY that makes a pro-military comment on ANYTHING, including the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
He claims he is a former Army Vet that served in 'the Iran-Iraq War' and in the Persian Gulf War in 1991.
He is '66% disabled with Gulf War Syndrome'. He lives in Germany at present, and regularly regales the board with tales of his socialistic free 'health care' and the great big check he gets from Uncle Sam every month for being disabled.
He is relentlessly pursuing every conservative on those boards ESPECIALLY those who make pro-military comments and either:
1. attacking them for not having enlisted in the Military
or
2. if military service is claimed, he'll begin tirelessly demanding information such as MOS, DD214 stampings, VA paperwork, etc. etc.
I ended up getting into a flame war with this guy .
Rather than simply admit I was deaf and take the 'neo-con chickenhawk' treatment, I lied. I told the guy I had been in the Marines.
Oooh. Big mistake. It took him less than 3 questions to expose me. Yes, yes, I know I shouldn't have done it, lie to an internet troll and all. It was embarrassing.
Still, I've seen him relentlessly go after several other people the past few weeks.
Apparently this guy has done this to several conservative posters; the moment ANYBODY makes a pro -military comment they get the "You're just another neo-con chickenhawk that never served" attack or the "Oh you claim to be a vet eh? Prove it!" attack. He practically goads people into lying to him then calls them on it. He does seem to have a deeply detailed knowledge of military matters.
Since this guy has taken it upon himself to personally vet EVERY SINGLE PERSON that shows up on that board to post as a conservative so he can give them either the 'coward chickenhawk' or 'fake vet' treatment, I'd like to steer some actual conservative vets his way.
Any takers?
p.s. - I DON'T have to tell you this guys screen name. Just post something related to current events that even remotely identifies you in the Off Topic Forum as either a conservative, or even worse - a conservative military vet - and trust me. HE WILL FIND YOU.
Posted by: manofaiki at May 05, 2009 01:40 PM (uSh7j)
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Ah, there's the rub.
Rub? Did somebody say rub? If this involves rubbing and the president, I'll volunteer.
Rub? Did somebody say rub? If this involves rubbing and the president, I'll volunteer.
Posted by: Jeff Zeleny at May 05, 2009 01:41 PM (DvaIL)
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Of course Obama did do this; that's why we elected him.
I understand that we're all Americans, and as a group, Americans elected him. I hate it, though, when you say "we elected him" - we who subscribe to the AoS Lifestyle TM didn't. I cringed when I read that, like going skin-to-skin with scabies carrier. Blech.
I understand that we're all Americans, and as a group, Americans elected him. I hate it, though, when you say "we elected him" - we who subscribe to the AoS Lifestyle TM didn't. I cringed when I read that, like going skin-to-skin with scabies carrier. Blech.
Posted by: Jazz at May 05, 2009 01:41 PM (hnq5i)
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Beppo I guess you didn't live thru the 90's did you?
Posted by: MSM Butboy Editor at May 05, 2009 01:41 PM (NM1Nu)
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I didn't elect him that's for sure.
Posted by: Mr. Pink at May 05, 2009 01:43 PM (NM1Nu)
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Time for a photoshop of Lauria waking up with a severed unicorn's head in his bed.
Posted by: Cerebral Paul Z. at May 05, 2009 01:43 PM (FLFli)
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@52
Thinking about a new bumper sticker, in homage to the ones I have been seeing inCalifornia for the past few years...
2009 - Impeachment is Still Patriotic
Thinking about a new bumper sticker, in homage to the ones I have been seeing inCalifornia for the past few years...
2009 - Impeachment is Still Patriotic
Posted by: KLL at May 05, 2009 01:43 PM (/5Axw)
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Who indeed? The press is back to wondering whether or not Barack Obama is the messiah. Cf Dana Milbank's fawning editorial in the WaPo today, which is not to be read with a queasy stomach.
Posted by: eringobragh at May 05, 2009 01:43 PM (XqEBL)
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The real question:
How do we get these businesses and people on our side for 2010/2012? Seeing as how they realized just how tragic a mistake they made voting Obama, how do we get them to turn?
How do we get these businesses and people on our side for 2010/2012? Seeing as how they realized just how tragic a mistake they made voting Obama, how do we get them to turn?
Posted by: EC at May 05, 2009 01:44 PM (mAhn3)
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I thought that Barry didn't want to be in the auto industry?
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President Barack Obama and Democratic lawmakers reached agreement on Tuesday on a legislative proposal designed to stimulate U.S. auto sales, which have fallen to near 30-year lows.
The one-year plan crafted by members of the U.S. House of Representatives would offer vouchers worth up to $4,500 for owners to replace their less fuel efficient vehicles for models that get better gas mileage.
The goal of the "cash for clunkers" legislation is to sell 1 million vehicles.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President Barack Obama and Democratic lawmakers reached agreement on Tuesday on a legislative proposal designed to stimulate U.S. auto sales, which have fallen to near 30-year lows.
The one-year plan crafted by members of the U.S. House of Representatives would offer vouchers worth up to $4,500 for owners to replace their less fuel efficient vehicles for models that get better gas mileage.
The goal of the "cash for clunkers" legislation is to sell 1 million vehicles.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 05, 2009 01:44 PM (1Jaio)
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It feels more and more like I am living through Atlas Shrugged.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 05, 2009 01:46 PM (VW9/y)
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The one-year plan crafted by members of the U.S. House of Representatives would offer vouchers worth up to $4,500 for owners to replace their less fuel efficient vehicles for models that get better gas mileage.
Switch "vehicles" with "schools" and see the difference.
Switch "vehicles" with "schools" and see the difference.
Posted by: EC at May 05, 2009 01:47 PM (mAhn3)
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It feels more and more like I am living through Atlas Shrugged.
It's starting to sound more like Atlas Plotzed.
It feels more and more like I am living through Atlas Shrugged.
It's starting to sound more like Atlas Plotzed.
Posted by: nickless at May 05, 2009 01:47 PM (MMC8r)
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Why the heck is Obama's Gallup approval rating at 67%?Honestly, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!
It's bullshit. Their sampling group is probably 100 Hussein sycophants and 3 Conservatives.
It's bullshit. Their sampling group is probably 100 Hussein sycophants and 3 Conservatives.
Posted by: The Great Satan™ at May 05, 2009 01:47 PM (q+hzF)
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manofaki: p.s. - I DON'T have to tell you this guys screen name. Just post something related to current events that even remotely identifies you in the Off Topic Forum as either a conservative, or even worse - a conservative military vet - and trust me. HE WILL FIND YOU.
Why not? What is the secret about his screen name? You want us to do battle on your behalf / the larger conservative principle behalf but you won't tell us who we are to battle with?
Kudos to coming clean about your claiming vet status.
Why not? What is the secret about his screen name? You want us to do battle on your behalf / the larger conservative principle behalf but you won't tell us who we are to battle with?
Kudos to coming clean about your claiming vet status.
Posted by: Ed at May 05, 2009 01:48 PM (VplQ7)
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They could be connected. Obama invites the disrespectful bankers for a ride on Air Force One as a "friendly" gesture of goodwill. Once aboard, the plane heads low, fast and recklessly towards downtown Manhattan, with muscle tailing. The plane turns away at the last minute once the bankers have seen the errors of their ways and accepted Obama's offer.
Posted by: FreakyBoy at May 05, 2009 01:48 PM (4s1it)
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Todd suggests that it may be exactly what Obama needs to keep “pitchfork America” on his side despite the Left’s complaints about Obama’s coziness to Wall Street:
Yep. Right. There is a huge group of people out there who think this kind of crap from the White Houseis just fine. Their position is that, after all, those guys Lauria represents are just a bunch of rich bastards who don't want what's best for the common good. The common good being the UAW.
Yep. Right. There is a huge group of people out there who think this kind of crap from the White Houseis just fine. Their position is that, after all, those guys Lauria represents are just a bunch of rich bastards who don't want what's best for the common good. The common good being the UAW.
Posted by: Mikeyslaw at May 05, 2009 01:48 PM (QMGr1)
Posted by: Dang Straights at May 05, 2009 01:49 PM (Haq+B)
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I despise these dorkbats for what they are trying to do to our Country, am I wrong to buy more ammo (as I can get it), no matter what happens I'm covered, I can hold them off for days when they approach my property!
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at May 05, 2009 01:49 PM (O1hKE)
76
did you guys know the GOP needs more moderates, just not unprincipled ones like Spector.
Posted by: ed at May 05, 2009 01:50 PM (Urhve)
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Jon Stewart will have something on this tonight. He'll make a funny face and convey how utterly ridiculous it is for any rich and powerful investor to fear Obama. The audience will clap and laugh and clap and laugh.
Jon Stewart will have something on this tonight. He'll make a funny face and convey how utterly ridiculous it is for any rich and powerful investor to fear Obama. The audience will clap and laugh and clap and laugh.
Posted by: D-ling at May 05, 2009 01:50 PM (uaJjH)
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I'm an idiot. Just forget 59. My fingers are doing the waltz of shame on my keyboard.
Posted by: Jazz at May 05, 2009 01:51 PM (hnq5i)
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What's the over-under on someone's head actually rolling on this?
Posted by: Y-not at May 05, 2009 01:52 PM (KQBGs)
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77 D-ling,
Jon stewart is welcome on my property any time, I would like to talk to him up CLOSE and personal.
Jon stewart is welcome on my property any time, I would like to talk to him up CLOSE and personal.
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at May 05, 2009 01:52 PM (O1hKE)
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Why not? What is the secret about his screen name? You want us to
do battle on your behalf / the larger conservative principle behalf but
you won't tell us who we are to battle with?
Kudos to coming clean about your claiming vet status.
Ed, I tried to convey just how seriously this troll takes his 'job'. All you have to do is post one simple post on that forum at Rotten Tomatoes from a conservative perspective and trust me, this guy WILL find you.
But I can see your point so here's his screen name: markeyd-2.
Anybody who posts conservative stuff on that board is going to quickly meet this guy, trust me on that.
do battle on your behalf / the larger conservative principle behalf but
you won't tell us who we are to battle with?
Kudos to coming clean about your claiming vet status.
Ed, I tried to convey just how seriously this troll takes his 'job'. All you have to do is post one simple post on that forum at Rotten Tomatoes from a conservative perspective and trust me, this guy WILL find you.
But I can see your point so here's his screen name: markeyd-2.
Anybody who posts conservative stuff on that board is going to quickly meet this guy, trust me on that.
Posted by: manofaiki at May 05, 2009 01:54 PM (uSh7j)
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This episode shows the creditors who will be in charge; the unions and their lapdog politicians. Any chance that the government would be an honest broker in the boardroom was a wishful illusion.
If I were a GM bondgolder, Iwould bankrupt GM over the Memorial Day weekend - when the government will have less resources available to fight you.
We need an emblem for cars built by free Americans (non-Union).
If I were a GM bondgolder, Iwould bankrupt GM over the Memorial Day weekend - when the government will have less resources available to fight you.
We need an emblem for cars built by free Americans (non-Union).
Posted by: Jean at May 05, 2009 01:54 PM (L64A6)
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It's bullshit. Their sampling group is probably 100 Hussein sycophants and 3 Conservatives.
Posted by: The Great Satan™ at May 05, 2009 01:47 PM (q+hzF)
The sampling group was 2x the national gap between Dems and Repups in favor of the Dem's, so yeah.
It's bullshit. Their sampling group is probably 100 Hussein sycophants and 3 Conservatives.
Posted by: The Great Satan™ at May 05, 2009 01:47 PM (q+hzF)
The sampling group was 2x the national gap between Dems and Repups in favor of the Dem's, so yeah.
Posted by: manofaiki at May 05, 2009 01:55 PM (uSh7j)
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Washington liberals trying to sell Government Motors cars to us knuckledraggers while driving Volvos or ANYTHING not made in the USA. Thats rich. No thanks, I'm not for sale. Take your taxbreak and shove it up your asses, I'll drive a donky cart before I'll buy your shit.
Posted by: maddogg at May 05, 2009 01:56 PM (OlN4e)
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I really question the accuracy and the methods used for the polls that show astronomical approval ratings.
I haven't seen any astronomical approval ratings. By all polling accounts Obama is about as popular as W was at this stage. I don't know where the idea comes from that he's hugely popular, unless it's the impression given by all the fawning press he gets.
I haven't seen any astronomical approval ratings. By all polling accounts Obama is about as popular as W was at this stage. I don't know where the idea comes from that he's hugely popular, unless it's the impression given by all the fawning press he gets.
Posted by: flenser at May 05, 2009 01:56 PM (TXBbE)
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If the lawyer won't yak because the client is upset with all the publicity generated by the lawyer's earlier comments, I can hardly understand how making the rounds of the cable outlets spewing "no comment" quells the client's concerns.
There's a strategy here, worked out by the client and lawyer.
Those lawyers, better watch em'. They're smart.
There's a strategy here, worked out by the client and lawyer.
Those lawyers, better watch em'. They're smart.
Posted by: Dave at May 05, 2009 01:57 PM (Xm1aB)
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Since the press corps won't press any longer, perhaps they should be renamed The "Just Over Here Rubbing The Democrats' Balls For 'Em" Corps. Or The JOHRTDBFEC. Okay, doesn't roll off the tongue like Legacy Media or MSM, but it does accurately describe their current pathetic role.
Posted by: Sharkman at May 05, 2009 01:57 PM (69J41)
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I expect all the fellators in the White House press corp will get right on their knees this.
Posted by: Roy at May 05, 2009 01:59 PM (cB77O)
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manofaiki at May 05, 2009 01:54 PM (uSh7j)
No worries, you made his "dedication" clear.
OK, for shits and gigglesTM, I'll head over there. I don't expect achieve anything or aquit myself very well. But I'll see what's up. I'm a moron like that.
No worries, you made his "dedication" clear.
OK, for shits and gigglesTM, I'll head over there. I don't expect achieve anything or aquit myself very well. But I'll see what's up. I'm a moron like that.
Posted by: Ed at May 05, 2009 01:59 PM (VplQ7)
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Buy as many trucks and suv's as you can to put a finger in their eyes while they last, just bought a Dodge Ram before they become obsolete, when the adults take charge again it will be a collectors item on Ebay. LOL
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at May 05, 2009 01:59 PM (O1hKE)
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I really did think the Wall Street Journal would be all over this mess, at least a mention or a guest op ed- but I've seen nothing. Have I missed it or is this Rupert Murdock sucking dick also?
There is no bigger* domestic story than this. Violation of 5th amendment. Thug tactics. Presidential abuse of power. Death watch on capitalism and the rule of law.
The man has no limits. He will stop at nothing. We are watching the fall of the US. He studied constitutional law not to uphold it, but to dispose of it. We are so fucked.
*big international news (HA), 500,000 refugees from the Swat valley now descending on Islamabad (how can you tell them apart from the Taliban, btw?) and perhaps Israel being thrown under the bus.
Did I say fucked? sorry. Hosed. Boned.Screwed. Eviscerated. I can't believe any of this is happening.
There is no bigger* domestic story than this. Violation of 5th amendment. Thug tactics. Presidential abuse of power. Death watch on capitalism and the rule of law.
The man has no limits. He will stop at nothing. We are watching the fall of the US. He studied constitutional law not to uphold it, but to dispose of it. We are so fucked.
*big international news (HA), 500,000 refugees from the Swat valley now descending on Islamabad (how can you tell them apart from the Taliban, btw?) and perhaps Israel being thrown under the bus.
Did I say fucked? sorry. Hosed. Boned.Screwed. Eviscerated. I can't believe any of this is happening.
Posted by: Derak at May 05, 2009 02:00 PM (QIsMa)
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Related, tangentially, to the Chrysler situation, why isn't there more curiousity about how disconnected the stock market gains/losses now seem to be from what is actually going on? Now ain't looking too rosy financially, and given the news about Chrysler, the stress tests, what happened to BOA, the Chinese buying less treasury bonds, and the new taxes on overseas profit for business, as well as a bunch more companies teetering on the edge of bankruptcy, the future ain't too bright either so there isn't really a good explanation in my mind for why the market shot up at the end of last week.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at May 05, 2009 02:00 PM (AJ4xq)
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There is a huge group of people out there who think this kind of crap from the White Houseis just fine. Their position is that, after all, those guys Lauria represents are just a bunch of rich bastards who don't want what's best for the common good. The common good being the UAW.
Seeing as how Obama and friends have already given trillions of dollars to those "rich bastards", who were also Obama contributors,I have a hard time feeling too sorry for the poor things. But you cry yourself to sleep over them if you like.
Seeing as how Obama and friends have already given trillions of dollars to those "rich bastards", who were also Obama contributors,I have a hard time feeling too sorry for the poor things. But you cry yourself to sleep over them if you like.
Posted by: flenser at May 05, 2009 02:01 PM (TXBbE)
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Oh I'm sure it will come out, sure it will. The press will get right on that.
I understand their position, I really do. President Obama must be protected. Think of it this way: if a popular conservative president took office after 8 frustrating years of Obama in which he did what you considered damage to the country and its reputation, its very soul, how bad would that president have to get before you'd turn on him? How much would you put up with before you started reporting the bad stuff?
For those of us with integrity, not much at all, but if your entire worldview is caught up in who is in office and what political party has power in government, that line can get pretty distant.
I understand their position, I really do. President Obama must be protected. Think of it this way: if a popular conservative president took office after 8 frustrating years of Obama in which he did what you considered damage to the country and its reputation, its very soul, how bad would that president have to get before you'd turn on him? How much would you put up with before you started reporting the bad stuff?
For those of us with integrity, not much at all, but if your entire worldview is caught up in who is in office and what political party has power in government, that line can get pretty distant.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 05, 2009 02:01 PM (PQY7w)
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When you hit people in the pocketbook, it's personal, and Bammer just made it personal with a lot of influential folks. Lots of political liberals are only liberal as long as it doesn't cost them anything -- once the Feds put on the fiscal hurt, the liberal scales fall away.
Remember, this whole Chrysler deal is mainly a warm-up act for the big GM bankruptcy yet to come, and Bammer already fucked it up by putting the skeer into senior bondholders. Obama was just trying to scratch the backs of his Labor constituents in the good old Chicago way, but it turns out that political patronage at this level has some pretty ugly fallout. Hedge funds aren't like banks: they're not going to kiss Uncle Sam's ass. They have a fiduciary duty to their clients (as do banks, but they're rotten with conflict-of-interest problems due to TARP). And senior debtholders have good reason to think they'll do better out of a Chapter 7 re-org than they will out of any government-mandated cramdown. (Does anyone here think the UAW can credibly return an automaker to profitability, given the huge burden of retiree pensions and benefits -- and the UAW's complete unwillingness to cut those benefits?)
And this whole Chrysler/Fiat thing is a joke in itself. The notion that Fiat will somehow provide Chrysler with some kind of creative or financial leverage going forward is just ludicrous. Chances are that both companies will be back in bankruptcy before long.
Bammer has essentially declared war on private businesses with this act. No one is going to want to take Federal money now for fear that it will bring them under Bammer's iron heel, and bondholders are probably scrambling to buy bond-insurance this very moment. (Remember that whole AIG counterparty fiasco a few months ago? Get ready for a repeat.) It'll also be interesting to see what happens to Chrysler in bankrupcy court -- I have a feeling that Bammer's 30-60 day window is way, way off the mark.
But the Chrysler drama is interesting only as prologue -- the real interesting fireworks are going to be in the GM bankruptcy. I suspect that lots of senior debt-holders are going to tell Bammer and the boys to fuck right off.
Remember, this whole Chrysler deal is mainly a warm-up act for the big GM bankruptcy yet to come, and Bammer already fucked it up by putting the skeer into senior bondholders. Obama was just trying to scratch the backs of his Labor constituents in the good old Chicago way, but it turns out that political patronage at this level has some pretty ugly fallout. Hedge funds aren't like banks: they're not going to kiss Uncle Sam's ass. They have a fiduciary duty to their clients (as do banks, but they're rotten with conflict-of-interest problems due to TARP). And senior debtholders have good reason to think they'll do better out of a Chapter 7 re-org than they will out of any government-mandated cramdown. (Does anyone here think the UAW can credibly return an automaker to profitability, given the huge burden of retiree pensions and benefits -- and the UAW's complete unwillingness to cut those benefits?)
And this whole Chrysler/Fiat thing is a joke in itself. The notion that Fiat will somehow provide Chrysler with some kind of creative or financial leverage going forward is just ludicrous. Chances are that both companies will be back in bankruptcy before long.
Bammer has essentially declared war on private businesses with this act. No one is going to want to take Federal money now for fear that it will bring them under Bammer's iron heel, and bondholders are probably scrambling to buy bond-insurance this very moment. (Remember that whole AIG counterparty fiasco a few months ago? Get ready for a repeat.) It'll also be interesting to see what happens to Chrysler in bankrupcy court -- I have a feeling that Bammer's 30-60 day window is way, way off the mark.
But the Chrysler drama is interesting only as prologue -- the real interesting fireworks are going to be in the GM bankruptcy. I suspect that lots of senior debt-holders are going to tell Bammer and the boys to fuck right off.
Posted by: Monty at May 05, 2009 02:02 PM (/0a60)
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The update is incorrect. Perella Weinberg has already folded. Their out of the group of three. They took the White House deal.
The two remaining in opposition are Oppenheimer Funds and Stairway Capital.
It appears Oppenheimer and Stairway are the ones asking Lauria to STFU about this. I can understand why.
From the reporting we have, Rahm Emanuel is the shadow Treasury Secretary. This is extraordinarily dangerous.
The two remaining in opposition are Oppenheimer Funds and Stairway Capital.
It appears Oppenheimer and Stairway are the ones asking Lauria to STFU about this. I can understand why.
From the reporting we have, Rahm Emanuel is the shadow Treasury Secretary. This is extraordinarily dangerous.
Posted by: WTF Capital Investments at May 05, 2009 02:02 PM (GtYrq)
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Those lawyers, better watch em'. They're smart.
Ahem. Crafty and deceitful is not the same as smart.
"Lawyers are smart" is how we got Obama -- who wouldn't last through one calculus exam, I guar-on-tee.
On the other hand, if they have Machiavellian bastards, I'm glad we have some too.
Ahem. Crafty and deceitful is not the same as smart.
"Lawyers are smart" is how we got Obama -- who wouldn't last through one calculus exam, I guar-on-tee.
On the other hand, if they have Machiavellian bastards, I'm glad we have some too.
Posted by: AmishDude at May 05, 2009 02:03 PM (T0NGe)
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Rah Emanuel, he's a Joo from Chicago.
Why is ANYONE surprised. This happens EVERYDAY in Chicago.
Welcome to the new socialist "Hope and Change"
Kemp
Why is ANYONE surprised. This happens EVERYDAY in Chicago.
Welcome to the new socialist "Hope and Change"
Kemp
Posted by: kempermanx at May 05, 2009 02:04 PM (2+9Yx)
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Also, still don't know why no one is pushing the fact that these funds are funds that normal people, teachers, bus drivers, soccer moms, are invested in and the government is essentially saying it isn't going to give them their hard earned and invested money back.
People are grumbling about this because of the perception of "Wall Street fat cats" but this isn't just about them, it's about all of the people invested in these funds not getting money that they put in.
People are grumbling about this because of the perception of "Wall Street fat cats" but this isn't just about them, it's about all of the people invested in these funds not getting money that they put in.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at May 05, 2009 02:05 PM (AJ4xq)
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I revel that the dorkbats will suffer more than Conservatives because we actually do have saving accounts, and their children being mush brained HS dropouts is berries on the so called cheese cake!
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at May 05, 2009 02:05 PM (O1hKE)
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This wouldn't have happened if you tools had voted for my daddy.
Posted by: Meghan McCain at May 05, 2009 02:05 PM (KQBGs)
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"Lawyers are smart" is how we got Obama -- who wouldn't last through one calculus exam, I guar-on-tee.
Were you kidnapped and beaten by a gang of lawyers? What is this obsession you have with lawyers?
Were you kidnapped and beaten by a gang of lawyers? What is this obsession you have with lawyers?
Posted by: JackStraw at May 05, 2009 02:07 PM (VW9/y)
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Their position is that, after all, those guys Lauria represents are
just a bunch of rich bastards who don't want what's best for the common
good.
This is the big fucking problem. Perella, Oppenheimer, and Stairway are representing INSTITUTIONAL positions in Chrysler bonds. They're investing pension fund capital.
just a bunch of rich bastards who don't want what's best for the common
good.
This is the big fucking problem. Perella, Oppenheimer, and Stairway are representing INSTITUTIONAL positions in Chrysler bonds. They're investing pension fund capital.
Posted by: WTF Capital Investments at May 05, 2009 02:08 PM (GtYrq)
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Actually hedge funds are open only to a limited number of very wealthy investors.
Posted by: flenser at May 05, 2009 02:09 PM (TXBbE)
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Another thing that's pissing businesspeople off is Bammer's intent to take away offshore tax shelters. Bammer again displays a colossal misunderstanding of how multinational corporations work: all this will do is drive more big corporations' HQs overseas. And I'm sure the Swiss, for example, would be glad to have them.
This is a dick move on another level, too; it means that Bammer has no real intention of implementing real tax reform. Thus, a business is not only encumbered by a Byzantine, confiscatory, and contradictory tax-code; it's also being demonized for trying to reduce that tax-burden without relocating to another jurisdiction.
This is a dick move on another level, too; it means that Bammer has no real intention of implementing real tax reform. Thus, a business is not only encumbered by a Byzantine, confiscatory, and contradictory tax-code; it's also being demonized for trying to reduce that tax-burden without relocating to another jurisdiction.
Posted by: Monty at May 05, 2009 02:09 PM (/0a60)
Posted by: kempermanx at May 05, 2009 02:10 PM (2+9Yx)
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No problem. Stay poor (and beholden to the government) and you'll be fine.
Posted by: Zombie Karl Marx at May 05, 2009 02:12 PM (KQBGs)
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Chrysler debt holders named at Fox Business News. Top of the List: Bill Melinda Gates Foundation.
Posted by: MrsPaulsFishSticks at May 05, 2009 02:12 PM (iYbLN)
Posted by: Monty at May 05, 2009 02:12 PM (/0a60)
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92-PGIS- so there isn't really a good explanation in my mind for why the market shot up at the end of last week.
"Further, this rally has all the earmarks of a major short squeeze. Regulators have recently (and correctly) been enforcing short selling rules that require stock to be delivered and settled on short trades. This may be a one-time event. When the short squeeze is over, the buying will stop and the market will drop. Remember, it takes buying and a lot of it to move a market up, but only a lack of buying to create a bear market."- John Mauldin, Pres Millennium Wave Advisors
I've been searching for an answer too, this caught my eye this morning. This is one man's opinion. I think it makes sense.
"Further, this rally has all the earmarks of a major short squeeze. Regulators have recently (and correctly) been enforcing short selling rules that require stock to be delivered and settled on short trades. This may be a one-time event. When the short squeeze is over, the buying will stop and the market will drop. Remember, it takes buying and a lot of it to move a market up, but only a lack of buying to create a bear market."- John Mauldin, Pres Millennium Wave Advisors
I've been searching for an answer too, this caught my eye this morning. This is one man's opinion. I think it makes sense.
Posted by: Derak at May 05, 2009 02:13 PM (QIsMa)
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EXTORTION! Pure and simple.
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at May 05, 2009 02:13 PM (O1hKE)
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Gotta love those little ghetto thugs.
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at May 05, 2009 02:14 PM (O1hKE)
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JackStraw,
I think AmishDude is funny.
Think Don Quixote.
But without all the jokes.
I still haven't gotten him to rate my advanced degrees: law, finance and international trade.
Does he count me half a moron?
A third?
I think AmishDude is funny.
Think Don Quixote.
But without all the jokes.
I still haven't gotten him to rate my advanced degrees: law, finance and international trade.
Does he count me half a moron?
A third?
Posted by: Nom de Blog at May 05, 2009 02:14 PM (fnU+z)
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"SEC Seeks Comments on Short Selling Measures
The SEC is seeking public comment on
whether short sale price restrictions or circuit breaker restrictions
should be imposed and whether such measures would help promote market
stability and restore investor confidence." http://tinyurl.com/dbs3jv
The SEC is seeking public comment on
whether short sale price restrictions or circuit breaker restrictions
should be imposed and whether such measures would help promote market
stability and restore investor confidence." http://tinyurl.com/dbs3jv
Posted by: muffy at May 05, 2009 02:16 PM (zplc6)
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Unless I am very much mistaken about what funds Oppenheimer holds Chrysler bonds in, then no they aren't hedge funds just open to the very wealthy.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at May 05, 2009 02:18 PM (AJ4xq)
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Can we impeach this asshole now, enough of this fun!
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at May 05, 2009 02:18 PM (O1hKE)
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muffy,
Those short selling restriction of 1928(29?) worked so well.
I think the government should definitely try those types of rules again.
Those short selling restriction of 1928(29?) worked so well.
I think the government should definitely try those types of rules again.
Posted by: Nom de Blog at May 05, 2009 02:20 PM (fnU+z)
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We need to run Sarah and Rush to bring sensebility back to this Nation, course they will have their hands full getting rid of all of this communist BS!
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at May 05, 2009 02:20 PM (O1hKE)
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Where is the FBI when we need them to lock these bastards up!
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at May 05, 2009 02:21 PM (O1hKE)
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Hey we've never had a Military Coup in this Country, why not now, Gen. Petraius should be in charge IMHO!
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at May 05, 2009 02:23 PM (O1hKE)
121
Desert in the sand is what we are now!
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at May 05, 2009 02:26 PM (O1hKE)
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http://tinyurl.com/cke7wz Agenda and comments about today's round table at the SEC. "The roundtable will be
open to the public with seating on a first-come, first-served basis.
The roundtable also will be webcast on the SEC's Web site. For additional information about the roundtable, contact the SEC's Division of Trading and Markets at (202) 551-5720."
open to the public with seating on a first-come, first-served basis.
The roundtable also will be webcast on the SEC's Web site. For additional information about the roundtable, contact the SEC's Division of Trading and Markets at (202) 551-5720."
Posted by: muffy at May 05, 2009 02:27 PM (zplc6)
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Fuck it, rotton tomatos wants you to sign up to comment and give them your e-mail address.
Too fuckin' lazy to do that. And scared of the potential for spam.
Let me tell you, you buy just ONE penis-pump online and you get crazy ass spam for the rest of your life.
Fuckin' thing didn't even work.
Not that I needed it to.
It was just for research. Curiosity,really.
Too fuckin' lazy to do that. And scared of the potential for spam.
Let me tell you, you buy just ONE penis-pump online and you get crazy ass spam for the rest of your life.
Fuckin' thing didn't even work.
Not that I needed it to.
It was just for research. Curiosity,really.
Posted by: Ed at May 05, 2009 02:29 PM (VplQ7)
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But, but Sara Palin got an assault rifle that can shoot depleted uranium which makes them atomic bombs.
Posted by: PUSSY LIBERAL at May 05, 2009 02:29 PM (1tvww)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at May 05, 2009 02:31 PM (O1hKE)
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"Breaking: Fraud Everywhere!" http://tinyurl.com/dk63gl
Posted by: muffy at May 05, 2009 02:34 PM (zplc6)
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If ever there was a flock of seagulls in DC it's now R's and D's crapping on everyone!
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at May 05, 2009 02:34 PM (O1hKE)
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Both were voters for Obama in the last election.
My natural instinct towards schadenfreude at seeing these idiots hoist on their own petardis tempered by the royal ass-raping Barry and his minions areinflicting on the free market system.
My natural instinct towards schadenfreude at seeing these idiots hoist on their own petardis tempered by the royal ass-raping Barry and his minions areinflicting on the free market system.
Posted by: Andy at May 05, 2009 02:35 PM (QYJUz)
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its a little long and dense, but here's one man's honest defense of his hedge fund brethren vis a vi Obama's mob tactics:
Unafraid In Greenwich Connecticut
Clifford S. Asness
Managing and Founding Principal
AQR Capital Management, LLC
The
President has just harshly castigated hedge fund managers for being
unwilling to take his administration’s bid for their Chrysler bonds. He
called them “speculators” who were “refusing to sacrifice like everyone
else” and who wanted “to hold out for the prospect of an unjustified
taxpayer-funded bailout.”
The responses of hedge fund managers
have been, appropriately, outrage, but generally have been anonymous
for fear of going on the record against a powerful President (an
exception, though still in the form of a “group letter”, was the superb
note from “The Committee of Chrysler Non-TARP Lenders” some of the
points of which I echo here, and a relatively few firms, like
Oppenheimer, that have publicly defended themselves). Furthermore, one
by one the managers and banks are said to be caving to the President’s
wishes out of justifiable fear.
I run an approximately twenty
billion dollar money management firm that offers hedge funds as well as
public mutual funds and unhedged traditional investments. My company is
not involved in the Chrysler situation, but I am still aghast at the
President's comments (of course these are my own views not those of my
company). Furthermore, for some reason I was not born with the common
sense to keep it to myself, though my title should more accurately be
called "Not Afraid Enough" as I am indeed fearful writing this... It’s
really a bad idea to speak out. Angering the President is a mistake
and, my views will annoy half my clients. I hope my clients will
understand that I’m entitled to my voice and to speak it loudly, just
as they are in this great country. I hope they will also like that I do
not think I have the right to intentionally “sacrifice” their money
without their permission.
Here's a shock. When hedge funds,
pension funds, mutual funds, and individuals, including very sweet
grandmothers, lend their money they expect to get it back. However,
they know, or should know, they take the risk of not being paid back.
But if such a bad event happens it usually does not result in a
complete loss. A firm in bankruptcy still has assets. It’s not always a
pretty process. Bankruptcy court is about figuring out how to most
fairly divvy up the remaining assets based on who is owed what and
whose contracts come first. The process already has built-in partial
protections for employees and pensions, and can set lenders' contracts
aside in order to help the company survive, all of which are the rules
of the game lenders know before they lend. But, without this recovery
process nobody would lend to risky borrowers. Essentially, lenders
accept less than shareholders (means bonds return less than stocks) in
good times only because they get more than shareholders in bad times.
The
above is how it works in America, or how it’s supposed to work. The
President and his team sought to avoid having Chrysler go through this
process, proposing their own plan for re-organizing the company and
partially paying off Chrysler’s creditors. Some bond holders thought
this plan unfair. Specifically, they thought it unfairly favored the
United Auto Workers, and unfairly paid bondholders less than they would
get in bankruptcy court. So, they said no to the plan and decided, as
is their right, to take their chances in the bankruptcy process. But,
as his quotes above show, the President thought they were being
unpatriotic or worse.
Let’s be clear, it is the job and
obligation of all investment managers, including hedge fund managers,
to get their clients the most return they can. They are allowed to be
charitable with their own money, and many are spectacularly so, but if
they give away their clients’ money to share in the “sacrifice”, they
are stealing. Clients of hedge funds include, among others, pension
funds of all kinds of workers, unionized and not. The managers have a
fiduciary obligation to look after their clients’ money as best they
can, not to support the President, nor to oppose him, nor otherwise
advance their personal political views. That’s how the system works. If
you hired an investment professional and he could preserve more of your
money in a financial disaster, but instead he decided to spend it on
the UAW so you could “share in the sacrifice”, you would not be happy.
Let’s quickly review a few side issues.
The
President's attempted diktat takes money from bondholders and gives it
to a labor union that delivers money and votes for him. Why is he not
calling on his party to "sacrifice" some campaign contributions, and
votes, for the greater good? Shaking down lenders for the benefit of
political donors is recycled corruption and abuse of power.
Let’s
also mention only in passing the irony of this same President begging
hedge funds to borrow more to purchase other troubled securities. That
he expects them to do so when he has already shown what happens if they
ask for their money to be repaid fairly would be amusing if not so
dangerous. That hedge funds might not participate in these programs
because of fear of getting sucked into some toxic demagoguery that ends
in arbitrary punishment for trying to work with the Treasury is
distressing. Some useful programs, like those designed to help finance
consumer loans, won't work because of this irresponsible hectoring.
Last
but not least, the President screaming that the hedge funds are looking
for an unjustified taxpayer-funded bailout is the big lie writ large.
Find me a hedge fund that has been bailed out. Find me a hedge fund,
even a failed one, that has asked for one. In fact, it was only because
hedge funds have not taken government funds that they could stand up to
this bullying. The TARP recipients had no choice but to go along. The
hedge funds were singled out only because they are unpopular, not
because they behaved any differently from any other ethical manager of
other people's money. The President’s comments here are backwards and
libelous. Yet, somehow I don’t think the hedge funds will be following
ACORN’s lead and trucking in a bunch of paid professional protestors
soon. Hedge funds really need a community organizer.
This is
America. We have a free enterprise system that has worked spectacularly
for us for two hundred plus years. When it fails it fixes itself. Most
importantly, it is not an owned lackey of the oval office to be scolded
for disobedience by the President.
I am ready for my “personalized” tax rate now.
Unafraid In Greenwich Connecticut
Clifford S. Asness
Managing and Founding Principal
AQR Capital Management, LLC
The
President has just harshly castigated hedge fund managers for being
unwilling to take his administration’s bid for their Chrysler bonds. He
called them “speculators” who were “refusing to sacrifice like everyone
else” and who wanted “to hold out for the prospect of an unjustified
taxpayer-funded bailout.”
The responses of hedge fund managers
have been, appropriately, outrage, but generally have been anonymous
for fear of going on the record against a powerful President (an
exception, though still in the form of a “group letter”, was the superb
note from “The Committee of Chrysler Non-TARP Lenders” some of the
points of which I echo here, and a relatively few firms, like
Oppenheimer, that have publicly defended themselves). Furthermore, one
by one the managers and banks are said to be caving to the President’s
wishes out of justifiable fear.
I run an approximately twenty
billion dollar money management firm that offers hedge funds as well as
public mutual funds and unhedged traditional investments. My company is
not involved in the Chrysler situation, but I am still aghast at the
President's comments (of course these are my own views not those of my
company). Furthermore, for some reason I was not born with the common
sense to keep it to myself, though my title should more accurately be
called "Not Afraid Enough" as I am indeed fearful writing this... It’s
really a bad idea to speak out. Angering the President is a mistake
and, my views will annoy half my clients. I hope my clients will
understand that I’m entitled to my voice and to speak it loudly, just
as they are in this great country. I hope they will also like that I do
not think I have the right to intentionally “sacrifice” their money
without their permission.
Here's a shock. When hedge funds,
pension funds, mutual funds, and individuals, including very sweet
grandmothers, lend their money they expect to get it back. However,
they know, or should know, they take the risk of not being paid back.
But if such a bad event happens it usually does not result in a
complete loss. A firm in bankruptcy still has assets. It’s not always a
pretty process. Bankruptcy court is about figuring out how to most
fairly divvy up the remaining assets based on who is owed what and
whose contracts come first. The process already has built-in partial
protections for employees and pensions, and can set lenders' contracts
aside in order to help the company survive, all of which are the rules
of the game lenders know before they lend. But, without this recovery
process nobody would lend to risky borrowers. Essentially, lenders
accept less than shareholders (means bonds return less than stocks) in
good times only because they get more than shareholders in bad times.
The
above is how it works in America, or how it’s supposed to work. The
President and his team sought to avoid having Chrysler go through this
process, proposing their own plan for re-organizing the company and
partially paying off Chrysler’s creditors. Some bond holders thought
this plan unfair. Specifically, they thought it unfairly favored the
United Auto Workers, and unfairly paid bondholders less than they would
get in bankruptcy court. So, they said no to the plan and decided, as
is their right, to take their chances in the bankruptcy process. But,
as his quotes above show, the President thought they were being
unpatriotic or worse.
Let’s be clear, it is the job and
obligation of all investment managers, including hedge fund managers,
to get their clients the most return they can. They are allowed to be
charitable with their own money, and many are spectacularly so, but if
they give away their clients’ money to share in the “sacrifice”, they
are stealing. Clients of hedge funds include, among others, pension
funds of all kinds of workers, unionized and not. The managers have a
fiduciary obligation to look after their clients’ money as best they
can, not to support the President, nor to oppose him, nor otherwise
advance their personal political views. That’s how the system works. If
you hired an investment professional and he could preserve more of your
money in a financial disaster, but instead he decided to spend it on
the UAW so you could “share in the sacrifice”, you would not be happy.
Let’s quickly review a few side issues.
The
President's attempted diktat takes money from bondholders and gives it
to a labor union that delivers money and votes for him. Why is he not
calling on his party to "sacrifice" some campaign contributions, and
votes, for the greater good? Shaking down lenders for the benefit of
political donors is recycled corruption and abuse of power.
Let’s
also mention only in passing the irony of this same President begging
hedge funds to borrow more to purchase other troubled securities. That
he expects them to do so when he has already shown what happens if they
ask for their money to be repaid fairly would be amusing if not so
dangerous. That hedge funds might not participate in these programs
because of fear of getting sucked into some toxic demagoguery that ends
in arbitrary punishment for trying to work with the Treasury is
distressing. Some useful programs, like those designed to help finance
consumer loans, won't work because of this irresponsible hectoring.
Last
but not least, the President screaming that the hedge funds are looking
for an unjustified taxpayer-funded bailout is the big lie writ large.
Find me a hedge fund that has been bailed out. Find me a hedge fund,
even a failed one, that has asked for one. In fact, it was only because
hedge funds have not taken government funds that they could stand up to
this bullying. The TARP recipients had no choice but to go along. The
hedge funds were singled out only because they are unpopular, not
because they behaved any differently from any other ethical manager of
other people's money. The President’s comments here are backwards and
libelous. Yet, somehow I don’t think the hedge funds will be following
ACORN’s lead and trucking in a bunch of paid professional protestors
soon. Hedge funds really need a community organizer.
This is
America. We have a free enterprise system that has worked spectacularly
for us for two hundred plus years. When it fails it fixes itself. Most
importantly, it is not an owned lackey of the oval office to be scolded
for disobedience by the President.
I am ready for my “personalized” tax rate now.
Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at May 05, 2009 02:38 PM (5r0Tz)
130
FUCK THESE SHITTY COWARDS WHO ARE 1) ROLLING OVER FOR THE WON AND 2) REFUSING TO COMMENT!!!!
God damn it, this isn't just about them. They voted for Obama because they thought he would bring peace and prosperity and "restore" the rule of law -- well now they know different! So what does that mean for the rest of us?
And what do they have to lose now, anyway? They've already been shackled and shoved into the hold.
Okay, I'll go back and read the other comments now.
God damn it, this isn't just about them. They voted for Obama because they thought he would bring peace and prosperity and "restore" the rule of law -- well now they know different! So what does that mean for the rest of us?
And what do they have to lose now, anyway? They've already been shackled and shoved into the hold.
Okay, I'll go back and read the other comments now.
Posted by: arhooley at May 05, 2009 02:39 PM (GKXA7)
131
I'm not worried so much as to the tennis shoes that Michelle my belle is wearing, I feel for that trainer that has to trot that beeyotch around the 1/4 mile track every morning, not to mention the oats he has to feed that pony!
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at May 05, 2009 02:41 PM (O1hKE)
132
Who in the press corps will press?
Gibbs needs to tell some good, bald-faced lies to the press, Ron Nessen style. Someone in that room's gonna get mad that Obama is treating their anointed privileged superior insider selves as if they were ordinary low-life know-nothing American citizens.
Gibbs needs to tell some good, bald-faced lies to the press, Ron Nessen style. Someone in that room's gonna get mad that Obama is treating their anointed privileged superior insider selves as if they were ordinary low-life know-nothing American citizens.
Posted by: arhooley at May 05, 2009 02:43 PM (GKXA7)
133
In America, they came first for the Capitalists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Capitalist...
Posted by: Travis at May 05, 2009 02:43 PM (mnl2L)
134
Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter @ 129
I bet Clifford S. Asness voted for Obama, and I bet he'll do it again.
I bet Clifford S. Asness voted for Obama, and I bet he'll do it again.
Posted by: arhooley at May 05, 2009 02:46 PM (GKXA7)
135
We need to band together folks and the time is NOW, or we are going to have one hell of a fight on our hands, otoh that could be fun.
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at May 05, 2009 02:46 PM (O1hKE)
136
"there isn't really a good explanation in my mind for why the market shot up at the end of last week."
I'm not hard to explain. I'm a secret regular here, and I enjoyed your impromptu overnight thread. Yeah, that one.
I'm not hard to explain. I'm a secret regular here, and I enjoyed your impromptu overnight thread. Yeah, that one.
Posted by: The Markets at May 05, 2009 02:47 PM (kZVsz)
137
the MSM is revving up the "GOP is a failing party" meme to all-time heights today.
Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at May 05, 2009 02:48 PM (5r0Tz)
138
133 Posted by: Travis
In America, they came first for the Capitalists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Capitalist...
Except, Trav, that the capitalists themselves are barely speaking up, even after they've waked up with a horse's head in their god-damned bed.
In America, they came first for the Capitalists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Capitalist...
Except, Trav, that the capitalists themselves are barely speaking up, even after they've waked up with a horse's head in their god-damned bed.
Posted by: arhooley at May 05, 2009 02:48 PM (GKXA7)
139
http://tinyurl.com/cn3le6 "
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Posted by: muffy at May 05, 2009 02:49 PM (zplc6)
140
Islamabad
Posted by: Joe Biden at May 05, 2009 02:52 PM (mE0Rl)
141
We can beat these idiots folks, no way we are at their level, they are just gollywood idiots, 20% of them have dropped out of HS, these are the ones that voted for that communist, boycott fast food joints, they prolly spit in your food anyway, damned sure don't know how to cook!
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at May 05, 2009 02:52 PM (O1hKE)
142
Don't buy anything from GM or Chrysler, (I bought my '08 truck last July) time to stop these bastards now or we will suffer greatly, keep your vehicles and repair them as needed, anything made from those folks will be junk.
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at May 05, 2009 02:56 PM (O1hKE)
143
Except, Trav, that the capitalists themselves are
barely speaking up, even after they've waked up with a horse's head in
their god-damned bed.
Posted by: arhooley
Well do not make the mistake of thinking that large corporations are capitalist. They tend to be more monopolistic than anything else. Corporations get along fine with statist regimes as they benefit from legally enforced monopolies.
IBM and Microsoft are good examples of the monopolistic tendencies I am talking about.
barely speaking up, even after they've waked up with a horse's head in
their god-damned bed.
Posted by: arhooley
Well do not make the mistake of thinking that large corporations are capitalist. They tend to be more monopolistic than anything else. Corporations get along fine with statist regimes as they benefit from legally enforced monopolies.
IBM and Microsoft are good examples of the monopolistic tendencies I am talking about.
Posted by: Travis at May 05, 2009 02:58 PM (mnl2L)
144
In America, they came first for the Capitalists
Hitler called them the Jewish money lenders when he went after them.
Hitler called them the Jewish money lenders when he went after them.
Posted by: Jim King at May 05, 2009 02:59 PM (7ofNn)
145
Hi Kemp,
Just taking a break. Carrying around these 40Ds can be tiring. Plus I've been losing money and the Injun casino.
Just taking a break. Carrying around these 40Ds can be tiring. Plus I've been losing money and the Injun casino.
Posted by: MrsPaulsFishSticks at May 05, 2009 03:14 PM (iYbLN)
146
Hitler called them the Jewish money lenders when he went after them.
Posted by: Jim King
Yeah, its funny how the socialists never seem to get that point. Hitler's biggest beef with the Jews was their so-called 'money grubbing'. Kinda reminds you of someone.
Posted by: Jim King
Yeah, its funny how the socialists never seem to get that point. Hitler's biggest beef with the Jews was their so-called 'money grubbing'. Kinda reminds you of someone.
Posted by: Travis at May 05, 2009 03:17 PM (mnl2L)
147
Its dead horse head time!
Obama will make them an offer no one can understand.
Obama will make them an offer no one can understand.
Posted by: Thomas Jackson at May 05, 2009 03:23 PM (0Qynq)
148
#129 Well well well.
Asness, Cliff
GREENWICH, CT
06830AQR Capital/Managing Founding Pri$2,30006/05/2007POBAMA FOR AMERICA - Democrat
http://tinyurl.com/cepsww
Asness, Cliff
GREENWICH, CT
06830AQR Capital/Managing Founding Pri$2,30006/05/2007POBAMA FOR AMERICA - Democrat
http://tinyurl.com/cepsww
Posted by: arhooley at May 05, 2009 03:24 PM (GKXA7)
149
Posted by: Travis Well do not make the mistake of thinking that large corporations are capitalist. They tend to be more monopolistic than anything else. Corporations get along fine with statist regimes as they benefit from legally enforced monopolies.IBM and Microsoft are good examples of the monopolistic tendencies I am talking about.
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I'm talking about individuals like Clifford Asness Obama supporter and the very people this thread is talking about who -- well, see my #130. Can't have too many cuss words.
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I'm talking about individuals like Clifford Asness Obama supporter and the very people this thread is talking about who -- well, see my #130. Can't have too many cuss words.
Posted by: arhooley at May 05, 2009 03:27 PM (GKXA7)
150
Actually, it looks like Cliff was hedging (no pun intended...ok, yeah, it was) his bets:
ASNESS, CLIFF
GREENWICH,CT06830AQR INVESTMENTS/MANAGING PARTNER12/23/08$23,500Libertarian National Cmte (L)ASNESS, CLIFF
GREENWICH,CT0683010/20/08$5,000Libertarian National Cmte (L)ASNESS, CLIFF
GREENWICH,CT06830AQR/PORTFOLIO MANAGER6/30/07$2,300Dodd, Chris (D)ASNESS, CLIFF
GREENWICH,CT06830AQR/PORTFOLIO MANAGER6/30/07$2,300Dodd, Chris (D)ASNESS, CLIFF
GREENWICH,CT06830AQR CAPITAL/MANAGING FOUNDING PRI6/5/07$2,300Obama, Barack (D)ASNESS, CLIFF
GREENWICH,CT068302/14/08$-2,300Dodd, Chris (D)ASNESS, CLIFF S
GREENWICH,CT06830AQR CAPITAL MANAGEMENT/MANAGING PRI1/30/08$2,300Clinton, Hillary (D)Asness, Cliff S Mr
Greenwich,CT068304/25/08$22,700Republican National Cmte (R)ASNESS, CLIFFORD
GREENWICH,CT06830AQR CAPITAL MANAGEMENT/PARTNER3/25/08$12,459Democratic Senatorial Campaign Cmte (D)ASNESS, CLIFFORD
GREENWICH,CT06830AQR CAPITAL MANAGEMENT/PARTNER9/20/07$2,850Democratic Senatorial Campaign Cmte (D)ASNESS, CLIFFORD S
GREENWICH,CT06830AQR CAPITAL/MANAGING FOUNDING PRI10/20/05$15,000DNC Services Corp (D)ASNESS, CLIFFORD S
GREENWICH,CT06830AQR CAPITAL/MANAGING FOUNDING PRI10/20/05$10,000DNC Services Corp (D)ASNESS, CLIFFORD S
GREENWICH,CT068302/19/08$-2,300Giuliani, Rudolph W (R)ASNESS, CLIFFORD S DR
GREENWICH,CT06830A.Q.R. CAPITAL/MANAGING FOUNDING2/12/07$2,300Giuliani, Rudolph W (R)ASNESS, CLIFFORD S MR
GREENWICH,CT06830AQR CAPITAL MANAGEMENT/MANAGING F4/30/08$2,800National Republican Senatorial Cmte (R)ASNESS, CLIFFORD S MR
GREENWICH,CT06830A.Q.R. CAPITAL/MANAGING FOUNDING5/16/07$2,300Giuliani, Rudolph W (R)
ASNESS, CLIFF
GREENWICH,CT06830AQR INVESTMENTS/MANAGING PARTNER12/23/08$23,500Libertarian National Cmte (L)ASNESS, CLIFF
GREENWICH,CT0683010/20/08$5,000Libertarian National Cmte (L)ASNESS, CLIFF
GREENWICH,CT06830AQR/PORTFOLIO MANAGER6/30/07$2,300Dodd, Chris (D)ASNESS, CLIFF
GREENWICH,CT06830AQR/PORTFOLIO MANAGER6/30/07$2,300Dodd, Chris (D)ASNESS, CLIFF
GREENWICH,CT06830AQR CAPITAL/MANAGING FOUNDING PRI6/5/07$2,300Obama, Barack (D)ASNESS, CLIFF
GREENWICH,CT068302/14/08$-2,300Dodd, Chris (D)ASNESS, CLIFF S
GREENWICH,CT06830AQR CAPITAL MANAGEMENT/MANAGING PRI1/30/08$2,300Clinton, Hillary (D)Asness, Cliff S Mr
Greenwich,CT068304/25/08$22,700Republican National Cmte (R)ASNESS, CLIFFORD
GREENWICH,CT06830AQR CAPITAL MANAGEMENT/PARTNER3/25/08$12,459Democratic Senatorial Campaign Cmte (D)ASNESS, CLIFFORD
GREENWICH,CT06830AQR CAPITAL MANAGEMENT/PARTNER9/20/07$2,850Democratic Senatorial Campaign Cmte (D)ASNESS, CLIFFORD S
GREENWICH,CT06830AQR CAPITAL/MANAGING FOUNDING PRI10/20/05$15,000DNC Services Corp (D)ASNESS, CLIFFORD S
GREENWICH,CT06830AQR CAPITAL/MANAGING FOUNDING PRI10/20/05$10,000DNC Services Corp (D)ASNESS, CLIFFORD S
GREENWICH,CT068302/19/08$-2,300Giuliani, Rudolph W (R)ASNESS, CLIFFORD S DR
GREENWICH,CT06830A.Q.R. CAPITAL/MANAGING FOUNDING2/12/07$2,300Giuliani, Rudolph W (R)ASNESS, CLIFFORD S MR
GREENWICH,CT06830AQR CAPITAL MANAGEMENT/MANAGING F4/30/08$2,800National Republican Senatorial Cmte (R)ASNESS, CLIFFORD S MR
GREENWICH,CT06830A.Q.R. CAPITAL/MANAGING FOUNDING5/16/07$2,300Giuliani, Rudolph W (R)
Posted by: Tami at May 05, 2009 03:49 PM (VuLos)
151
Wow. I'm definitely now renewing my plans to move to Australia. At least there all you have to worry about are deadly snakes, not so much the deadly politicians.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 05, 2009 03:56 PM (wy+AE)
152
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Posted by: chemjeff at May 05, 2009 03:57 PM (wy+AE)
153
> Obama = Nixon: "The madman theory" ... Nixon's idea was to scare the North Vietnamese into a truce by having the word put out that Nixon was crazy, ...
Even Nixon only used "the madman theory" on our enemies. Obama uses it on us!
> Obama = Nixon: "The madman theory" ... Nixon's idea was to scare the North Vietnamese into a truce by having the word put out that Nixon was crazy, ...
Even Nixon only used "the madman theory" on our enemies. Obama uses it on us!
Posted by: Comrade Arthur at May 05, 2009 04:37 PM (bXgNq)
154
> 55 Why the heck is Obama's Gallup approval rating at 67%?
Posted by: Beppo
Why the heck are you looking at Gallup?
Rasmussen is more accurate.
http://tinyurl.com/5krqjz
Total Approve Total Disapprove 05/05/2009
56% 43%
that's down a bit from the 65/30 reading on Jan 21st.
> 55 Why the heck is Obama's Gallup approval rating at 67%?
Posted by: Beppo
Why the heck are you looking at Gallup?
Rasmussen is more accurate.
http://tinyurl.com/5krqjz
Total Approve Total Disapprove 05/05/2009
56% 43%
that's down a bit from the 65/30 reading on Jan 21st.
Posted by: Comrade Arthur at May 05, 2009 04:47 PM (bXgNq)
155
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