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Your Government At Work: US Paying $8 Billion Per Year to Paper Manufacturers to Use Petroleum They Don't Use and Wouldn't Use at All if Not for the Huge Tax Credit
This is from the Nation, but worth reading. Not only is this specific program an absurd boondoggle, but it illustrates the unintended consequences of trying to dictate people's economic decisions generally.
Thanks to an obscure tax provision, the United States government stands to pay out as much as $8 billion this year to the ten largest paper companies. And get this: even though the money comes from a transportation bill whose manifest intent was to reduce dependence on fossil fuel, paper mills are adding diesel fuel to a process that requires none in order to qualify for the tax credit. In other words, we are paying the industry--handsomely--to use more fossil fuel. "Which is," as a Goldman Sachs report archly noted, the "opposite of what lawmakers likely had in mind when the tax credit was established." The massive tax subsidy has barely been reported in the press, but it's caused a stir in the paper industry, which is struggling to stay profitable in the teeth of the recession. "Everybody's talking about it," paper industry analyst Brian McClay told me. "In the US and elsewhere in the world--in Canada and Brazil and Chile and Europe." On March 24 International Paper (IP) announced it had received its first check from the IRS for a one-month period this past fall. The total? A whopping $71.6 million. "It's probably close to a billion a year of cash," McClay said. "If you look at the economics of this business, to make that kind of money today you'd have to be on another planet." IP's stock rose 12 per- cent on the news. The origins of the credit are innocent enough. In 2005 Congress passed, and George W. Bush signed, the $244 billion transportation bill. It included a variety of tax credits for alternative fuels such as ethanol and biomass. But it also included a fifty-cent-a-gallon credit for the use of fuel mixtures that combined "alternative fuel" with a "taxable fuel" such as diesel or gasoline.Here's the thing: You don't need much outside fuel to produce paper. The process of pulping up wood produces a burnable liquid called "black liquor," which has traditionally then used by the paper company to burn for its energy. In other words, just pulping the paper produces, as a bonus byproduct, enough "black liquor" to fuel the rest of the process. Or rather 73% if the process -- 27% you have to ship in.
By adding diesel fuel to the black liquor, paper companies produce a mixture that qualifies for the mixed-fuel tax credit, allowing them to burn "black liquor into gold," as a JPMorgan report put it. It's unclear who first came up with the idea--Wrobleski told me it was "outside consultants"--but at some point last fall IP and Verso, another paper company, formerly a part of IP, began adding diesel to its black liquor and applied to the IRS for the credit. (Verso nabbed $29.7 million at just one of its mills in the final quarter of 2008 for its use of mixed fuel.) Despite the obvious contrivance of the procedure, Wrobleski is unapologetic: "The credit is supposed to encourage the use of green fuel." Sure, I said, but isn't it a bit weird you're now adding diesel fuel to the process in order to take advantage of it? "It is what it is," she said. Others are less charitable. "You use the toilet every day," said one hedge fund analyst who's been closely following the issue. "Imagine if you could start pouring a little gasoline into the bowl and get fifty cents a gallon every time you flushed."Great idea. Count me in. Bonus: The fed will soon be paying more to produce excess paper than the paper companies actually receive in sales:
In fact, the money to be gained from exploiting the tax credit so dwarfs the money to be made in making paper--IP lost $452 million in the fourth quarter of 2008 alone--that the ultimate result of the credit will likely be to push paper prices down as mills churn at full capacity in order to grab as much money from the IRS as it can.Thanks to JCP.
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What, then, could possibly go wrong in health care legislation to regulate 15% of the economy?
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 07, 2009 03:11 PM (B+qrE)
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"It's unclear who first came up with the idea..."
See, this is what pisses me of the most about Washington. Why isn't this traceable back to the very people responsible? I want names. I want the names of the lobbyists and the names of the Congressmen who were courted by the lobbyists.
"It's unclear who first came up with the idea..."
See, this is what pisses me of the most about Washington. Why isn't this traceable back to the very people responsible? I want names. I want the names of the lobbyists and the names of the Congressmen who were courted by the lobbyists.
Posted by: Darling, you know at April 07, 2009 03:13 PM (+UPK/)
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Here at DunderMifflin, I can assure you that our paper's petroleum content is minimal. Though we do have a few oily types working around here.
Posted by: Michael Scott at April 07, 2009 03:14 PM (XoYY8)
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It's like farm subsidies where farmers are paid to either not grow things or to use the fields in such a way that instead of crop rotation it's more economically viable to simply burn out on one crop.
Why, it's almost like there are unintended consequences to actions or something.
Why, it's almost like there are unintended consequences to actions or something.
Posted by: alexthechick at April 07, 2009 03:16 PM (SHHaV)
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In 2005 Congress passed, and George W. Bush signed, the $244 billion transportation bill.
Gee, I wonder why Republicans got their asses handed to them in 2006. It's a real head scratcher.
(Yes, I know Iraq was a huge part of it but wild ass spending didn't help)
Gee, I wonder why Republicans got their asses handed to them in 2006. It's a real head scratcher.
(Yes, I know Iraq was a huge part of it but wild ass spending didn't help)
Posted by: DrewM. at April 07, 2009 03:16 PM (hlYel)
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A large corporation exploiting do-gooder green bullshit that gets written into a bill?
You don't say.
You don't say.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at April 07, 2009 03:21 PM (wgLRl)
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It puzzles me that people (i.e. liberals) who whine about the DMV, post office, FEMA and other government-run entities want their health care to be government run. Do they think it'll magically be different than any other government office?
Oh, right, the unicorns will be running health care. Duh.
Oh, right, the unicorns will be running health care. Duh.
Posted by: wherestherum at April 07, 2009 03:22 PM (gofDd)
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I love it. Water finds it own level, and smart people find ways to take advantage of stupid legislation, get around "well-intended" regulations, and do exactly the opposite of what the geniuses in government wanted to be done. I applaud the paper industry for illustrating the stupidity of our betters in DC.
Example # 6.02 x1023that taxes should not be used for social engineering or coercion of behavior, but only to fund the legitimate purposes of government (that silly protection of life, liberty, private property kind of stuff).
Example # 6.02 x1023that taxes should not be used for social engineering or coercion of behavior, but only to fund the legitimate purposes of government (that silly protection of life, liberty, private property kind of stuff).
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at April 07, 2009 03:23 PM (sXLx/)
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I bet all that excess paper will be shipped off to the Treasury (yeah, I know money's actually cloth...and it ain't green...and it'll become pretty worthless).
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 07, 2009 03:24 PM (XoYY8)
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Be sure to turn out any lights that you may not be using. Think green!
Posted by: Chas at April 07, 2009 03:24 PM (yjDfo)
Posted by: jimmytheleg at April 07, 2009 03:25 PM (inITx)
Posted by: Sir Elliot at April 07, 2009 03:30 PM (DUNS7)
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Example # 6.02 x1023that taxes should not be used for social engineering
One mole of Congressium (Co) has an atomic weight of 535 and can never be found in a solution.
One mole of Congressium (Co) has an atomic weight of 535 and can never be found in a solution.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 07, 2009 03:31 PM (XoYY8)
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How do we get the good guys at Goldman Sachs to talk to the bad guys at Goldman Sachs?
Posted by: WTF Capital Investments at April 07, 2009 03:32 PM (AHrTm)
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I am shocked, shocked to learn that eevillll capitalists have once again been caught exploiting the unintended consequences of federal legislation.
This is a lotlike a tax "loophole" in that there's no such thing.An action iseither in compliance with thelaw or it is not. Thefact thatour laws arewritten by fools makes this kind of stuff inevitable.
This is a lotlike a tax "loophole" in that there's no such thing.An action iseither in compliance with thelaw or it is not. Thefact thatour laws arewritten by fools makes this kind of stuff inevitable.
Posted by: Andy at April 07, 2009 03:32 PM (QYJUz)
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I forgot this part:
In fact, the money to be gained from exploiting the tax credit so dwarfs the money to be made in making paper--IP lost $452 million in the fourth quarter of 2008 alone--that the ultimate result of the credit will likely be to push paper prices down as mills churn at full capacity in order to grab as much money from the IRS as it can.
WTO case against our "subsidized" paper exportsin 3...2...1...
In fact, the money to be gained from exploiting the tax credit so dwarfs the money to be made in making paper--IP lost $452 million in the fourth quarter of 2008 alone--that the ultimate result of the credit will likely be to push paper prices down as mills churn at full capacity in order to grab as much money from the IRS as it can.
WTO case against our "subsidized" paper exportsin 3...2...1...
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 07, 2009 03:35 PM (B+qrE)
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And none of this would be happening if Ron Paul would have won the election and the Shrute Buck would have been adopted as the new, gold-based currency. I detest them.
Posted by: Dwight Shrute at April 07, 2009 03:35 PM (ws1tw)
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You got to lose money to make money as they say.
Posted by: Javems at April 07, 2009 03:37 PM (hq71Y)
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Settle down. This was completely necessary thanks to the paper shortage that resulted from printing 536 copies of the "stimulus" bill. That there is a shitton of paper.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 07, 2009 03:37 PM (rf03a)
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Would that company be publicly traded, perchance? Smart group, there.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at April 07, 2009 03:39 PM (ZGhSv)
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It's no wondoer that idiot Matthew Lesko makes money.
Posted by: rockhead at April 07, 2009 03:39 PM (DvaIL)
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Jim! Jim, you slacker, stop hacking my desktop and misspelling my name in comments sections.
Posted by: Dwight Schrute at April 07, 2009 03:40 PM (ws1tw)
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Hmmm...perhaps I'll convert the beet juice extractors on the farm to take advantage of this tax credit as well.
Posted by: Dwight Schrute at April 07, 2009 03:46 PM (yt8XM)
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This has got to be example #6.322*10^50 of "The Law Of Unintended Consequences" at work.
Shit like this is why we'd be better off with total gridlock in Congress, with nothing getting through, than bills actually being passed.
Shit like this is why we'd be better off with total gridlock in Congress, with nothing getting through, than bills actually being passed.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 07, 2009 03:46 PM (5uSdS)
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And none of this would be happening if Ron Paul would have won the election and the Shrute Buck would have been adopted as the new, gold-based currency.
My favorite paulbot math moment: How to make 200 billion in gold reserves serve as the monetary basis for a 12 trillion dollar economy.
My favorite paulbot math moment: How to make 200 billion in gold reserves serve as the monetary basis for a 12 trillion dollar economy.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 07, 2009 03:47 PM (B+qrE)
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Whoever thought of this deserves a damn medal.
I remember taking a class on transportation policy, and the professor talking about how "evil oil companies like Unocal" would pay people to take their old polluting junkers off the road, like $500 a car in the late 70s in California. They did this rather than change their method for producing in order to reduce pollution effects that were starting to be regulated on business when pollution limits came into effect for cars (I.E. the oil co's were getting the blame for smog, this was their way to help curb it and feel less pressure from regulation). All he and the other students talked about was how this showed the corruption of the oil industry and how we need to get out of cars and use public transit.
Then I said whoever thought of this was a friggin genius. The reaction was pricesless. I still use the example in class today of government regulation, and now will use this one as well.
I remember taking a class on transportation policy, and the professor talking about how "evil oil companies like Unocal" would pay people to take their old polluting junkers off the road, like $500 a car in the late 70s in California. They did this rather than change their method for producing in order to reduce pollution effects that were starting to be regulated on business when pollution limits came into effect for cars (I.E. the oil co's were getting the blame for smog, this was their way to help curb it and feel less pressure from regulation). All he and the other students talked about was how this showed the corruption of the oil industry and how we need to get out of cars and use public transit.
Then I said whoever thought of this was a friggin genius. The reaction was pricesless. I still use the example in class today of government regulation, and now will use this one as well.
Posted by: Doc at April 07, 2009 03:51 PM (tqHDd)
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Does this black liqour get you drunk?
Posted by: watchoutforthebull at April 07, 2009 03:52 PM (k7SeR)
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If they can't sell the excess paper, maybe they could donate it to build Habitat for Humanity houses.
Or burn it for energy. That's the ticket.
Or burn it for energy. That's the ticket.
Posted by: Wm T Sherman at April 07, 2009 03:55 PM (w41GQ)
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poop!
Posted by: John ryan at April 07, 2009 04:02 PM (LHCAa)
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Gee, it seems that so much green policy is just a way for more people to get money from the gummint, even when its actually anything but 'green.'
It's enough to make a hippie cry.
Cry, hippie, cry.
It's enough to make a hippie cry.
Cry, hippie, cry.
Posted by: nickless at April 07, 2009 04:05 PM (MMC8r)
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This subsidy can only make paper cheaper such that the new Toyota "Papyrus" will run on eco-paper instead of ethanol.
That's right, prove your green-ness by burning the nation's forests instead of its topsoil.
That's right, prove your green-ness by burning the nation's forests instead of its topsoil.
Posted by: t-bird at April 07, 2009 04:08 PM (FcR7P)
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One mole of Congressium (Co) has an atomic weight of 535 and can never be found in a solution.
And remember, if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
And remember, if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Posted by: Cautiously Pessimistic at April 07, 2009 04:18 PM (ltwze)
Posted by: Chimney Sweep #8 at April 07, 2009 04:22 PM (kIjlp)
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Despite the obvious contrivance of the procedure, Wrobleski is unapologetic: "The credit is supposed to encourage the use of green fuel." Sure, I said, but isn't it a bit weird you're now adding diesel fuel to the process in order to take advantage of it? "It is what it is," she said.
Ann Wrobleski, IP's vice president for global government relations is a fucking moron. What the fuck kind of public relations hack says "It is what it is"? Idiots say "It is what it is" when they don't know what the fuck they're talking about which is pretty much all thetime. International Paper is getting fucking screwed on this morons paycheck.In any case I'm going to look into my crystal ball and say that she and her employer are going to be regretting her statement.
Somewhat related: Can anyone lend me some pitchforks? I've got my own torches and out of control drunken mob.
Despite the obvious contrivance of the procedure, Wrobleski is unapologetic: "The credit is supposed to encourage the use of green fuel." Sure, I said, but isn't it a bit weird you're now adding diesel fuel to the process in order to take advantage of it? "It is what it is," she said.
Ann Wrobleski, IP's vice president for global government relations is a fucking moron. What the fuck kind of public relations hack says "It is what it is"? Idiots say "It is what it is" when they don't know what the fuck they're talking about which is pretty much all thetime. International Paper is getting fucking screwed on this morons paycheck.In any case I'm going to look into my crystal ball and say that she and her employer are going to be regretting her statement.
Somewhat related: Can anyone lend me some pitchforks? I've got my own torches and out of control drunken mob.
Posted by: Big E at April 07, 2009 04:26 PM (VOigi)
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Legislation should be examined by test engineers who know how to find this kind of shit. This is essentially a test escape, because the fucking legislator/lawyers who write this kind of feeble bullshit wouldn't know a coverage matrix if it walked up and hit'em in the head with a 2x4.
Legislation is just like computer code. If you don't test all the paths and decision points you're going to get fucked.
Legislation is just like computer code. If you don't test all the paths and decision points you're going to get fucked.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at April 07, 2009 04:57 PM (ysoZG)
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They want me to pour gas, into my toilet, after a dump?
Talk about the "axis of evil" in a bowl!
Talk about the "axis of evil" in a bowl!
Posted by: hutch1200 at April 07, 2009 04:59 PM (Kqcyy)
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Hey, you know what would be cool? Some kind of hip reference to The Office. That would be cool.
Just kidding. I'm only pissed because others beat me to it. I was distracted by the beautiful fucking day outside. I was just sipping an IPA and soaking in the sunshine. One of the few upsides to being in my current situation.
The gubmmint has always worked like this though. One of my functions as an Armymedic in Germany was to make sure we spent our allotment before the new fiscal year so that we were able to keep that same budget in the next. My NCOIC was pissed. "What the fuck, are you planning to build a house with all these goddamn tongue depressors? Why didn't you order a defibrulator?"
Just kidding. I'm only pissed because others beat me to it. I was distracted by the beautiful fucking day outside. I was just sipping an IPA and soaking in the sunshine. One of the few upsides to being in my current situation.
The gubmmint has always worked like this though. One of my functions as an Armymedic in Germany was to make sure we spent our allotment before the new fiscal year so that we were able to keep that same budget in the next. My NCOIC was pissed. "What the fuck, are you planning to build a house with all these goddamn tongue depressors? Why didn't you order a defibrulator?"
Posted by: PaleoMedic at April 07, 2009 05:03 PM (yiNoG)
Posted by: Sir Elliot at April 07, 2009 05:08 PM (DUNS7)
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Hutch - more like the ASSES OF EVIL...
Posted by: reason at April 07, 2009 05:15 PM (5npD/)
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And these same clowns want to run health care..................
Posted by: GarandFan at April 07, 2009 05:30 PM (x9n+V)
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Well all that paper is going to come in handy since we've been running the presses day and night...
Posted by: Timmah G. at April 07, 2009 05:32 PM (aC/SY)
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to make sure we spent our allotment before the new fiscal year so that we were able to keep that same budget in the next.
There was a recent Office about that too, PaleoMedic. There might be clips online (or the whole episode at the network's site). And, mmm, India Pale Ale.
There was a recent Office about that too, PaleoMedic. There might be clips online (or the whole episode at the network's site). And, mmm, India Pale Ale.
Posted by: andycanuck at April 07, 2009 05:36 PM (ws1tw)
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And these same clowns want to run health care...
Maybe they'll fuck up the wording there too and have it so women get paid to get breast enlargements?
Maybe they'll fuck up the wording there too and have it so women get paid to get breast enlargements?
Posted by: Purple Avenger at April 07, 2009 05:41 PM (ysoZG)
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People with Crohns would be gagillionaires!
Posted by: tmq at April 07, 2009 05:47 PM (4bYSt)
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Barrack Obama's to do List
one: createaddict by giving them something they really like, in fact, can't resist.
two: take from the addict that which they desire (and now need to function)
three: laugh as you write in your diary about how you just took another chunk out of America's dying carcass
one: createaddict by giving them something they really like, in fact, can't resist.
two: take from the addict that which they desire (and now need to function)
three: laugh as you write in your diary about how you just took another chunk out of America's dying carcass
Posted by: shoey at April 07, 2009 05:54 PM (RxUMK)
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Hmmm.
That's ok. Foreigners are moving supertanker loads of fuel to the USA, adding a couple drops of ethanol, getting a huge payoff from the US government and then selling the oil or gasoline in Europe.
That's right. We're fucking subsidizing fuel in Europe.
And who is at fault here? Republicans in Congress.
Assholes the whole lot of them.
That's ok. Foreigners are moving supertanker loads of fuel to the USA, adding a couple drops of ethanol, getting a huge payoff from the US government and then selling the oil or gasoline in Europe.
That's right. We're fucking subsidizing fuel in Europe.
And who is at fault here? Republicans in Congress.
Assholes the whole lot of them.
Posted by: memomachine at April 07, 2009 06:03 PM (+YWed)
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The origins of the credit are innocent enough. In 2005 Congress passed, and George W. Bush signed, the $244 billion transportation bill.
The transportation bill wasn't innocent to begin with, and subsidizing businesses is socialist trash so it's not innocent either.
The transportation bill wasn't innocent to begin with, and subsidizing businesses is socialist trash so it's not innocent either.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 07, 2009 06:11 PM (PQY7w)
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I can just hear some Schumer underling: "Now, if you were willing to cut the NY Times a deal, like give them their paper for free for the next five years, we might not whack your pecker for this."
Posted by: mrkwong at April 07, 2009 06:23 PM (G8Eo0)
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Perhaps funeral homes should start fueling their crematoria with a mixture of diesel and body fat.
Posted by: chernyshevsky at April 07, 2009 06:24 PM (FRv4t)
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Did Ace say tax credits for free petroleum jelly?
Posted by: rdbrewer at April 07, 2009 06:26 PM (d8o9X)
Posted by: Jean at April 07, 2009 06:31 PM (xCBQ4)
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Legislation: is just like computer code. If you don't test all the paths and decision points you're going to get fucked. FIFY
Posted by: Andy at April 07, 2009 06:53 PM (QYJUz)
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This is no more egregious than wind power. The government (that is our money) is such that they keep the damn things running even when they have to pay to put it on the grid. Not only that, but wind power has to be backed up by natural gas generated power for the times when the wind doesn’t blow (so much for the great Boon Pickins plan). Coal and nuclear are both to slow to bring on and off line to match the quick changes in wind power. We are paying to subsidize an energy source that costs us more in the long run.
Why don’t we just switch to unicorn farts?
Why don’t we just switch to unicorn farts?
Posted by: Mike at April 07, 2009 07:18 PM (Cuf/4)
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Should have been:
The government subsidy (that is, our money) is such that they keep the damn things running even when they have to pay to put it on the grid.
The government subsidy (that is, our money) is such that they keep the damn things running even when they have to pay to put it on the grid.
Posted by: Mike at April 07, 2009 07:19 PM (Cuf/4)
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Government planning does not work because they handle the amount of information like a free market does (via decentralized decision-making by individuals with profit incentives.)
This is a lesson most young Americans have not learned yet - truly a repeat of the 30's is in order.
This is a lesson most young Americans have not learned yet - truly a repeat of the 30's is in order.
Posted by: Harun at April 07, 2009 09:24 PM (c49bC)
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This tax credit has nothing to do with oil, fossil fuels, or environmentalism.
It's cash money toanot-officially-affilatedpropaganda arm of the Democrat party. Republicans went along with it because they're too stupid to govern.
The newspapers use the money to rail against Republicans, Christianity, and conservatism. In "The Great Tobacco Swindlement" Republicansfunded trial lawyers. Say "higher education" and Republicans can't stop themselves from funding part-time Democrat activists in Universities. They'll go along with billionsfor "automakers" so they don't have tocut UAW members' pay through bankruptcy court settlements.
I'm surprised the Democrats haven't conned Republicans into funding a Kanye West tour.
Should webe surprised the direction the country has taken?
No wonder the Dems think we're stupid.
It's cash money toanot-officially-affilatedpropaganda arm of the Democrat party. Republicans went along with it because they're too stupid to govern.
The newspapers use the money to rail against Republicans, Christianity, and conservatism. In "The Great Tobacco Swindlement" Republicansfunded trial lawyers. Say "higher education" and Republicans can't stop themselves from funding part-time Democrat activists in Universities. They'll go along with billionsfor "automakers" so they don't have tocut UAW members' pay through bankruptcy court settlements.
I'm surprised the Democrats haven't conned Republicans into funding a Kanye West tour.
Should webe surprised the direction the country has taken?
No wonder the Dems think we're stupid.
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yavaş olucak ve sadece arkadan yapıcaksın dedi bnse tamm dedim ve bunlar
soyundu zehrayı bırakıp melteme geçtim bu ara aslı işini biliyor
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kız sikiyrsunda ben nye başka erkeklere vermm dyrdu bnde maadem öyle
sana o kıpkırmızı amı gözümün önündeydi seks izle ben çok azdım birden
içeri girdim ablam napıosun dedi bende çok azdırdın seks izle beni dedim gel ozaman dedi bende banyoya girdim başladık öpüşmeye porno izle memelerinin ucu dimdik olmusdu ben sonra o kıllı porno izle amına parmak atmaya baslamısdım oda zevke geldı benmımkını aldı elıne porno yalamaya basladı sonra hadi sok türkçe sex bana porno ilk domalt dım sonra basldm götüne sokmaya 5 dk git gel yapdım sonra bacaklarını porno
koydum omuzuma başladım amına sokmaya travesti ben hemen boşaldım ben
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