1 What's the difference between them and the mafia again?

2 Let me say, that's not the John Galt I thought I knew.

3 James Taggart / Wesley Mouch '08

4 I'm sure the Justice Department and FEC will be on this like white on rice* something ionically bonded to something else after the election.


* Edited for racism

5 Who cares?

6 And people wonder why acorn is so funked up. Two peas in a pod.

7 Could thisbe related?

8 John Galt?
Hey isn't he the guy from the book "Atlas shrugs"?
or..

9 The campaign sends out bullshit emails multiple times daily and always end with a plea for a $5 donation. Fucking got their hands out like the bums in the street at traffic lights.

Achmed from Libya gets to donate $5 one hundred thousand times and no questions asked.

10 The things we will find out after this election is over...

Even if Obama is elected.

11 I noticed as well that there seems to be several donors (like "Good Will") who gave over the limit in total donations. Can't the Obama campaign screen for that?

12 John Galt would NEVER FUCKING EVER donate to that marxist turd!

13 "Can't the Obama campaign screen for that?"


Ummmm. Yes.

14 "11 I noticed as well that there seems to be several donors (like "Good Will") who gave over the limit in total donations. Can't the Obama campaign screen for that?"

If one were at all honest one might.
O, not so much.

15 I wonder how many of these credit cards will then be bailed out by the guvment?

16 I guess I should clarify. Is it possible to automatically screen for that. Much like the matching donor/cardholder information, could you set the system to reject any donations from someone who has met the limit?

17 Having worked for companies that process credit cards online, it is necessary to go through and manually disable the safeguards that they put in place to verify a person's address and zip code with the cardholder's bank. But international banks don't currently have the same safeguards that banks in the US have, which also works in the One's favor.

So most likely they've disabled the necessary safeguards for US cards which their merchant bank would be angry about if they found out since it exposes them to risk, as well as international cards which is an even greater risk because there's no way to verify the information electronically for most countries, so they could just say they're in the US with phony info and the card will still process online. The One could then just claim that they said they were from America.

Senator Clinton's website worked with a reputable company that had the same safeguards in place for her online donations, seems like someone just doesn't like to play by the rules that credit card companies have put in place.

18 Getting back to the linked article in #7, how easy is it to use anyone's credit card if all you need to know is their number? How easy is it to get someone's credit card number? You tell me...when was the last time you paid with a credit card in a restaurant.

19 I guess I should clarify. Is it possible to automatically screen for
that. Much like the matching donor/cardholder information, could you
set the system to reject any donations from someone who has met the
limit?

Anything's possible. They could easily do that through the coding on their website, and an organization like a campaign would have the resources to do it. If I had to guess, it would probably cost 200-400 dollars to get a programmer to add that functionality to a payment gateway if their system didn't have that in place already. But then you can't have someone donating millions of dollars in 100 dollar increments under different names, and we can't have that now can we?

20 I can't help but to be practically continuously astounded at the sad state of the press corps. They write stories all agog about how much money this guy is raising and it never once occurs to them to launch even a cursory investigation.

I know they're in the tank for the One, but I am amazed at their gall and complete disregard of their own job (journalism cannot no longer be considered a profession, but rather a job. Professions require professionals).

21 We Obama supporters don't need no stinking laws. Wise up thuglicans!

22 Sorry guys. We're busy with tanning bed stories.

23 Some of the donations have phony states. When was the last time you could order something and just put in any two letters for the state?? That's when I realized they were doing this on purpose.

24 Hey! I just checked it myself. I put my correct cc number and expiration date and a fake name and address into the Obama website and it went through...or I think it did. It didn't give me a confirmation number and nothing showed up in my correct email account to give me a receipt. If I get one or any email I will gladly post it if you wish.
As the post says, the McCain site rejects it outright. Obama got the minimum of $15 from me. I did McCain's for $100 again with the real info and it went through after that.
This is insane! I went to the contact portion of the Obama website and clicke through to the media contact section that media people ask for interviews from Obama to an Obama spokesman. I asked for the spokesman and told them in the email portion just what I had done and posted the link to the post above to tell them where I heard about the donation section of their website. I'll post that too if you would wish if I get anything back from them.
If McCain had done this it would be all over with every media outlet banging on the doors of the addresses that didn't match the cc info. They would do a Joe the Plumber hit on everyone they found.
This is way too over the top. The cc companies should have impounded the transactions. I wonder if they did. Hey, should I call my cc company and ask?

25 i have to give a damn dna sample just to change my cc info on my paypal account....and having worked on a web commerece site i know you would have to diasable the address verificationand they would be subject to a higher processing fee as a "non-qualified" card.

26 I wonder if he learned that money laundering trick from his druggie days. Just curious, didn't there used to be laws against money laundering? Oh, my bad. I forgot about the messiah exemption.

27 So, has this been reported to the FEC? Sympathetic members of the media? The McCain campaign?

28 Who will Discover the truth?

29 <rant>
It's just as some moron around here said, Barry will possibly become our first American Idol president. Why isn't what Obama and his minions continually demonstrate for all to see as plain as the nose on their face to anyone with eyes to see and half a brain? He and his campaign staff have no fucking honor, I don't even think they know the meaning of word, let alone the concept. They know no shame, which is plainly evident every time one of them opens their mouth and out comes some contorted lie. To them, ANY. FUCKING. THING. GOES.

All that in stark contrast to McCain, who, in spite of his failings, is undeniably the very definition of honor and integrity.

It's disgusting that the public can be so willfully blind; that the only thing they care about is how shiny and new and full of hope and all that crap, that the One is. It's as though they're jonesing for the latest new toy to come from Apple. He's nothing more than a manipulative, lying, power hungry tool who's willing to lie, cheat, and steal, whatever it takes, just so he can become the first POTUS of color.
</rant>

Oh yeah, and I'm god damned pissed off about the whole thing!

30 Fuck all...

I was just sitting here reading ace after dinner when I came across this article. I kinda got ticked-off and related the contents to Mrs.Oldowan (Dem, MA). Politics are a touchy issue here on the border, but this was just the end after a day hearing about our dear governor's gift of $35K of tax money to ACORN and the justice dept leaning on our sec'y of state for not sending ballots to our soldiers abroad since 2002. [Good luck finding THOSE stories in the Boston Globe tomorrow...]. Anyway, I'd had enough and read the article to my better half.

She, rather wisely, replied : "According to whom? How do you know that's actually true?"

"Excellent question." I said, "Let's find out."

$50 bucks later (to obama [and I only meant to risk $25 {I figure, the rhetorical worth of the fact is worth the fraction of the $$$ this guy is going to cost me in the long run}], and $0 TO McCain, who refused to process this bogus contribution), Mr. Henry Reardon of 7 Wyatt Drive, Galts Gulch, CO, 88888 has learned who he can and cannot contribute to, as long as he insists on using oldowan's credit card to pay for it.

I got screen shots of the whole set of transactions. Full descriptions with pics go to every news organ tomorrow. Mrs. Oldowan (IND, MA [soon?]) and I will be wathching for a response.

I cannot BELIEVE that nobody cares about this bull-bleep. The Mencken quote at the top of the banner is making my blood pump. It's time to do something.

I hope it's not too late....

31 I have trouble believing anything at the linked site; notice the enormous leap she took into outright accusing the BHO campaign of fraud.

And, if someone has the cash, it's not really necessary to use fake numbers or the like. As I confirmed with them, the BHO campaign accepts gift cards, which can be bought in large enough amounts and with cash. I contacted the FEC and didn't hear back. Someone else is welcome to take that up.

32 Great work, Oldowan. It's people like you whomake a difference.
However, it may take time though for the world to know--especially with the MSM filter. Do you think Drudge would take this issue on?Lord knows we need a mouthpiece albeit a web page.

33 As this is further sign of the executive experience Obama will bring to the White House, I for one cannot wait to see the day when Obama nominates a Nigeria email spammer to be CIA head.

34 It's called the Address Verification System (AVS). When you submita credit card to the processorfor authorization you get back one of four responses: zipcode match, address match, both match, or neither match.
AVS is automatic and can't be turned off. You can, however, override it in special circumstances. It looks like Obama's web site has the AVS-override turned on permanently.

35 Thanks Maria,

I've written Drudge, Michael Graham, Michelle McPhee, Howie Carr, Johah G at the National Review, and Rush.

Tomorrow, I will more formally write the NY Times, Washington Post, Washington Times, LA Times, Boston Globe, Boston Herald, The Wall Street Journal, Newsweek, TIME, The Pittsburgh Pst-Gazette, The Pittburgh Tribune-Review, The Chicago Tribune, The New York Post and the Atlantic [for mrs. o].

I'm really, really new at this, but I'm really angry, with little to lose and lotsa energy. Have I missed anyone?

thanks,

oldowan

36 Ace,

Thought of that, but....

Have I exposed myself by making an illegal contribution???

Well, you only go 'round once!

--oldowan

37 Visa/MC banks hate it when merchants blow off AVS, as it increases the risk of chargebacks(which area hassle/expense for the bank to handle). Consequently they demand a much higher discount rate to take cards with AVS-overrides.
If a merchant's chargeback rate goes above 1% the banks will wallop the merchant with research fees. Merchants with high chargeback rates(like porn sites) can end up paying hundreds of thousands of dollars in extra monthly fees in order to be able to continue to accept cards,on top ofhuge discounts on each transaction.

38 Please don't take these peoples word about this working! Be your own judge try it for yourself.

39 Um,let's not doubt other people here, the dollars you are using to "test" this theory are going to the Obama campaign if you are using a valid charge card. Thanks to oldowan for testing this for us, but please STOP GIVING OBAMA MONEY now. Thank you.

40 Frankly, its easier than I'd believe to do this. Courtesy of my (real) CC number and expiration date, the Obama campaign has just received a $19.45 donation from mister Adolf Hitler, whose occupation is "Dictator" at the company "National Socialist Party of Ger" (I got cut off). I captured screenshots to prove this.

No verification required. The listed address wasn't even close to my real address.

While I hate to think I'm giving any money at all to these bastards, its worth it to prove once and for all that they are engaged in fraud. I will verify whether my card gets charged and report back.

moleman

41 @17:
there's no way to verify the information electronically for most
countries, so they could just say they're in the US with phony info and
the card will still process online.

That would explain why those fuckers from the Gaza Strip put "GA" in the "State" box. I'd figured they were just clueless--but now it appears this may have been deliberate on the Strippers' part. How would they have known just how to do it, though, unless they were instructed/coached by someone connected with the Obama campaign?

Every passing day hour brings a new outrage. Is this what it felt like for the Germans--the decent and the perceptive ones, that is--in 1932???

42 ACE --
Mayday! Mayday! Mayday!

RE: comments @17, 19, 34:

This is HUGE!!

(isn't it?)

Tell me one good reason this isn't the stuff of October Surprises.
I admit I'm a babe in the woods politically--and I'm not trying to be dense--but this should be ALL OVER the newspapers, radio, television!!!

How do we make sure that happens?

43 That's one fine astroturfing comment, there, Uncle Luck. Kudos for originality!

44 @29: He [Obama] and his campaign staff have no fucking honor, I don't even think
they know the meaning of word, let alone the concept. They know no
shame, which is plainly evident every time one of them opens their
mouth and out comes some contorted lie. To them, ANY. FUCKING. THING.
GOES.

This is why Communists and radical Islamofascists--seemingly polar opposites on the political spectrum--can get along so well and make common cause together. What they share down at their core is the principle of "The ends justify the means." Lying, cheating, stealing, even murder--all are trivial tradeoffs for the advance of the great grand Utopia.

the only thing they [the public] care about is how shiny and new and full of hope
and all that crap, that the One is. It's as though they're jonesing for
the latest new toy to come from Apple.

Geraldine Ferraro got it right last spring: No way would anyone take this noob seriously if he were white. But he's half Kansan, half Kenyan, which makes him all exotic and chi-chi and the coolest thing ever. And by extension, if I vote for him, that makes me all cool and hip and enlightened. Ooooh, ain't I just too precious!

A humongous chunk of the whole phenomenon is white guilt. Obama knows this--and does he ever know how to pluck those strings and play those people like a violin!

45 @44

There's nothing inherently in bypassing the AVS system. As already explained, merchant banks get pissed off and start rate hikes for processing the cards since you've now placed them at more risk. When a company processes a card that wasn't verified with AVS and it's disputed, the worst thing that happens to the company is that it has to refund the money through their merchant bank, but if a pattern is established, it could cause some problems. Honestly I'm surprised after it was revealed that some people's CC's were charged without their knowledge that they didn't take a look at their website and make reforms to it so fraudulent transactions couldn't go through, and yet here we are.

The only thing that could possibly happen is revoking their PCI Compliance due to mishandling of credit card information. Merchant banks require PCI compliance (Which is a standard set by VISA), and it's possible they've violated that which would cause their site to lose the ability to accept transactions for a bried period of time. Problem is, it only needs to be verified once a year by an independent firm.

Another point that should be made for clarification, is that funds are withheld from transactions even if the address or zip does not match. After 3-7 days, banks release the hold on those funds automatically because they're never captured by the company processing the cards. I can't tell if that's the case here, but if they're being captured, then those that have misentered info and had the cards process can just dispute it with the bank, those disputes get back to the merchant bank, and they are only allowed to receive a certain amount of chargebacks before they'll jack up his processing rates and perhaps even flag his account for fraudulent activity. And of course, you'll get your money back, and actually cost the campaign since he'll most likely be charged 20-25 dollars for each chargeback received from the bank.

And that's why, if you're going to do business online, you do it right the first time.

46 Hmm, this explains some things. Seems Rush Limbaugh mentioned a while back that people were finding fraudulent charges on their credit cards going to the Obama campaign. Better be careful, that waiter at the diner might be taking your card information and making a donation on your behalf (just in case you forget to do it yourself, don't chya know).

Check your card statements, folks. Anyone who has seen or handled your credit card could apparently be making Obama donations with them.

47 Let me see if I get the possible scam here, based on comments from the Atlas webpage...

Info is put into the website as a donation. Real donations go through, no problem. When fake names/addresses pop up with relation to the cc info, then a 3rd party handles the issue.

The charge to the cc with phony info is returned said $ since it doesn't line up or that person files a claim after seeing the charge on their account. Meanwhile 3rd party has access to other accounts, and can just switch the donation info (cc #) to a different valid account, like one of these pre-paid visa gift cards. So said donation then goes through as "legal", even if the donor and address is phony - that info is never reported to the FEC since it's under $200. Only if the same name and address crossed the $200 threshold would it then be reported (as the "Good Will" donations have).

So if the 3rd party had access to a lot of prepaid visa cards, or a unique account, given to them by a wealthy donor, they could in theory keep this running and donate well over the $4600 limit, just using different phony names/addresses and small increments.

48 All liberals are just total douche bags.
No further discussion needed.

49 The things we will find out after this election is over...Even if Obama is elected.
The dirt will come out early. That gives the MSM plenty of time to sweep it under the rug before re-election time. If it re-surfaces, it's old news.

50 I tried donating under an assumed name. I did not get a conformation email, there wasn't any error page either,and there was no page saying "thank-you for your donation" which I thought was really unusual. However, the information WAS passed to my credit card company. I logged onto my credit card web site and it shows a $10 pending transaction waiting to be processed.

51 As a footnote to my above post, I alsotyped in a completely wrong address too.

52 Seems like this info would be handy *next* election cycle:

Make several 'bogus' donations, then dispute them when you get the statement. Maybe drive a campaign's costs up?

53 If you look up the street name Ayn Rand you will find out that it is a cult.

54 If you want anymore proof of this guys fiscal tendencies just look at the way he is blowing through this money. McCain has an opening here. Start comparing the total that the One has spent trying to convince the folks that he will be more responsible with their money than McCain.

Also he sees money as a way to access power and fund group s that help ensure more power. Just look how he is spreading the money around: ACORN, Get out the VOTE and no wonder the networks like him- look how much he is spending on them. John should start wondering aloud "can he buy this election."

Last point if nefarious people want to donate to Barrack, why is that? Maybe we should ask if this is how Bill Ayers is supporting his old pal.

55 You guys are pretty scared, aren't you?

56 If you want anymore proof of this guys fiscal tendencies just look at
the way he is blowing through this money. McCain has an opening here.
Start comparing the total that the One has spent trying to convince the
folks that he will be more responsible with their money than McCain.



You might have a slight glass houses 'n stones problem on
that one. You know, the $150,000 for Sarah's makeover, which now turns
out to be a bunch of expenses without receipts.



http://tinyurl.com/6axcqn

57 You might have a slight glass houses 'n stones problem on that one
At least we know that the money we're spending is clean.

58 You know, the $150,000 for Sarah's makeover, which now turns
out to be a bunch of expenses without receipts.

And she looks maahvaalus

59 Wait a second, how do we know this was not the real Adolph Hitler donating from Bolivia. Maybe the real October Surprise is that Hitler is alive and believes the Fourth Reich will be ushered in by Obama.

60 Has anyone tried to donate under the name "Fuck you" yet? I think I'll give it a try.
Nah! I wouldn't give him one red cent with a gun to my head.
If McCain-Palin pull this off, despite the corruption...despite the efforts of what seems to be every last crook on the planet, it will be a miracle.
Good over evil, indeed.

61 Obama: It takes real work to turn fraud controls off

I operate a business where we are responsible for the online credit card processing and fraud security for thousands of online merchants accepting card payments over the internet.

I can tell you unequivocally, that every well-designed commercial online payment system is going to have the 3/4 digit code check AND the ZIP check turned ON by default.

Any merchant (Obama’s campaign in this case is a ‘merchant’) who is accepting payment without these checks had to actively go in and turn these checks OFF. This is easy to do and could probably be done with about 6 clicks in less than 2 minutes (un-checking the boxes that specify these safety checks and clicking ‘Save’). What’s much harder for most folks is making the decision to do this. Most merchants won’t make this decision because they want card holders to be protected.

Anybody who swipes at the pump knows that getting the billing zip right for an authorized purchaser is not hard at all. And it’s a great anti-fraud check.

What gets me about this is that Obama is telling all of us in advance how fantastically careless he intends to be with *your* money!

Ron Robinson
www.800Cart.com

62 Obama has no shame in illegally take people's money to "spread the wealth" around within in his own campaign.
We need a call to action on Obama's Spread the Wealth.
Don't patronize establishments thatsupports Obama. Don't tip a waiter, who has an Obama button. Don't give to an organization that supports Obama. Do not give any money to any business with an Obama sign. Instead, we should spread our own wealth to churches, synagogues, and non-partisan charities and organizations.
Let's see how the Obamamaniacs feel when our wealth is not spread to them.

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