Joe the Plumber About to Be "Vetted" by the Lefty Smear Merchants

Joe the Plumber [Byron York]
I don't know anything about Joe Wurzelbacher, but I just have one bit of advice. If you have anything in your past that you're not proud of — a messy divorce, a DUI, an unpaid bill, an indiscreet comment, whatever — be prepared for it to become public knowledge. The lefty blogosphere, along with allies in the press, will see to that.

And not just the lefty blogosphere, my tipster ads.

He got "uppity." He's a middle class tradesman who dared to express a political opinion disfavorable to the hard left. Obviously, they will have to destroy him -- how can they save him if they do not destroy him?

Some people just don't know what's best for them. And some people just will never appreciate how much you've done for them -- digging into their past, calling up old girlfriends, smearing their reputation -- in order to save them from the hellhole that is middle class America.

Once this uppity prole has been decimated and returned, chastened, to his proper position -- leadership from above, confidence from below -- and, say, some nasty dirt has been spread about him based on an affair or the like, he can take great comfort in the promise that, under President Obama, sexuality is sacred.

Politico Officially More Interested in Joe Wurzelbacher's Unpaid Back-Taxes Than Senate Candidate Al Franken's: Shock.

True: James--

What they don't get is that we're not rallying behind Joe the Plumber the man, we're rallying behind Joe the Plumber the idea. You can destroy the man, but the idea will only get stronger.

Just like Batman.

Posted by: Ace at 01:28 PM

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1 Speak out against big government and you must be destroyed.

Is this really where we are at?

Posted by: lorien1973 at October 16, 2008 01:30 PM (IhQuA)

2 Didn't take long for Jonathan Martin at Politico (See Allah's post via Drew's link).

Posted by: David in San Diego at October 16, 2008 01:31 PM (TPWTR)

3 Gee, Robert Conquest noted a similarity between the actions of today's hard left and a certain socialist party of the 1930's....

Posted by: joeindc44 at October 16, 2008 01:31 PM (QxSug)

4 I think ALL Joe the Plumbers and of course, Josephine the Plumbers need to get in the MSM's face. At the Rallies. Wherever you see them.

Vet the plumber, but don't dare bet the One. Idiots.

Posted by: kimberly at October 16, 2008 01:31 PM (Rpam5)

5 They will indeed try to destroy him, but my guess he will just shrug them off. There are plenty of conservatives who support him. Who the fuck wants the left to like you anyway?

Posted by: TRO at October 16, 2008 01:31 PM (TN6Lb)

6 FiredogLake is already on the case......

(Via Proteinwisdom)

Posted by: Techie at October 16, 2008 01:32 PM (d621h)

7 It's already begun. Check out Jonathan Martin at Politico, if you can stand it.

They're talking about his taxes and his plumbing licensing or lack thereof.

Does it even have to be mentioned about they're lack of research into Obama's past?

Posted by: aquaviva at October 16, 2008 01:32 PM (w19Us)

8 Bring it on. No one is perfect, unless you are obama. I don't think digging into his past will go over well with the masses. All the man did was ask a simple question and he was very respectful to obama when obama was giving his response.

Posted by: KCLady at October 16, 2008 01:32 PM (4eYzF)

9 I want to see Joe the plumber take on Arianna Huffington! Just too delicious to even contemplate!

Posted by: IC at October 16, 2008 01:33 PM (jZNCU)

10 I wish this were a trap.

Posted by: Admiral Ackbar at October 16, 2008 01:33 PM (FO+YO)

11 The media thought they'd put this dopey plumber on the air and either get him to admit that Obama's tax policy is actually awesome, or make him look like a fool.

Turns out Joe made them look like idiots, and now he must be punished. They also know that they have potentially hurt their candidate, so they must correct their mistake!

Joe's got brass ones though, I think he'll be ok.

Posted by: DM! at October 16, 2008 01:34 PM (CuFVA)

12 This could be the silver bullet - the media conspires to destroy Joe Six Pack because he dared to speak against The One. That'll play well on Main Street.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at October 16, 2008 01:34 PM (Ulsfn)

13 What they don't get is that we're not rallying behind Joe the Plumber the man, we're rallying behind Joe the Plumber the idea. You can destroy the man, but the idea will only get stronger.

I believe that the American spirit is the only one strong enough in the world capable of defeating the ideas of Socialism. European spirit is too weak, Americans, Joe the Plumbers, they can defeat big government.

Posted by: james at October 16, 2008 01:35 PM (Lu0dP)

14 I called this last night during the debate. It's what Pravda does.

Posted by: Z Ryan at October 16, 2008 01:35 PM (PDeVA)

15 I saw Joethis morningon TV and when asked who he supported he declined to say, stating that it was a personal decision he was going to make. I think that generally people believe he supports McCain. It is a wise move on his part to not mention who he is supporting because everything from the past will be dug up, his business smeared and possible vandalism andthreats would be made against him and his family. Good luck Joe.

Posted by: fbundy at October 16, 2008 01:35 PM (/K5oT)

16 If the MSM and the far left choose to go down this rabbit hole, it might be the tipping point.

It was one thing to go after Palin. She was, after all, a political figure who put herself in the middle of the public discourse when she agreed to be the VP nominee. (Have the attacks been WAY over the line of common decency? Of course.)

HOWEVER...

It's a completely different thing to go after Joe Middle America based on the simple premise that he doesn't represent the far left ideology.

Palin + a pissed off middle America = potential for massive voter turnout.

Posted by: cbharmon at October 16, 2008 01:36 PM (z3HXX)

17 The MSM has now given scrutinized Joe the Plumber more thoroughly than they scrutinize Barack Obama.

Posted by: Kensington at October 16, 2008 01:36 PM (xFNQx)

18 I expect to hear that Andi the Excitable Beagle Blogger wil tell us that this Joe the Plumber guy is really Trig Palin's father?

Posted by: Raoul Ortega at October 16, 2008 01:36 PM (jO77p)

19 #8 is right. I hope they try to dig and the rest of America gets to see what we'll have in store for us.

Posted by: Alex at October 16, 2008 01:36 PM (Tr7vq)

20 We need a Joe-The-Plumber PAC.

I'll bet he can express the core of the Fanny/Freddie mess concisely and very forcefully. It would be killer.

Posted by: Al at October 16, 2008 01:37 PM (Lk931)

21 poor guy is gonna be ripped to shreds.

Posted by: trailortrash at October 16, 2008 01:38 PM (pseS/)

22 So are we entering the Fascist phase of our democracy?

At least we'll know it's being ushered in by Donks and RINOs rather than the classical misattribution to the Rethuglicans.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at October 16, 2008 01:38 PM (0P9Uy)

23 Front page of Yahoo news right now....

He doesn't have a plumber's license!!! The horror, the horror...

Posted by: brak at October 16, 2008 01:39 PM (1YNfg)

24 I am surprised they used that interview without editing it. Normally it would have wound up saying “I suck dicks and worship the one” after they were through with it.

Posted by: Vic at October 16, 2008 01:39 PM (b1ysY)

25 As Icommented at Protein Wisdom
It’s funny, they won’t talk about William Ayres (who wanted to blow up the American dream and still does)
or Jeremiah Wright (who hates the American dream),
but some dude who just wants to own a business and employ people (live the American dream)?
Attack, attack, attack.

Posted by: Veeshir at October 16, 2008 01:39 PM (zXUuJ)

26 What they don't get is that we're not rallying behind Joe the Plumber the man, we're rallying behind Joe the Plumber the idea. You can destroy the man, but the idea will only get stronger.
FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: William Wallace at October 16, 2008 01:40 PM (VBon8)

27 You know what would be funny? Tomorrow we hear a report that Joe shot and killed a prowler outside his house and it turned out to be an MSM reporter rummaging through his garbage.

Actually, it wouldn't be funny; I was being facetious. Joe would have a death on his conscience for the rest of his life. Plus, do you know hard an MSM reporter is to gut and clean?

Posted by: OregonMuse at October 16, 2008 01:40 PM (FO+YO)

28 I hope when people see how he is treated by the obamabots, they realize how dangerous they will be in office.

Posted by: Thomas Dewey at October 16, 2008 01:40 PM (MKM35)

29 "What they don't get is that we're not rallying behind Joe the Plumber the man, we're rallying behind Joe the Plumber the idea."
The Left, prone to idolatry, is incapable of understanding this distinction. They worship their presidential candidate as if he were God. In fact, he's better than God, in their opinion, because they're at least nominally certain that Obama exists.

They can't be entirely certain because of all the drugs they took when they were younger, but that's good enough.

Posted by: Kensington at October 16, 2008 01:40 PM (xFNQx)

30 Plus, do you know hard an MSM reporter is to gut and clean?

If obama gets in, Joe's going to need the meat to feed his family in the winter.

Posted by: Thomas Dewey at October 16, 2008 01:41 PM (MKM35)

31 Oh the Hilarity. Let me get this right. A private citizen expresses his private opinion in an election and he has to be torn down personally for his temerity.
Joe the Plumber is not running for office.
Please recall that with The One always elides any discussion of his background and character as a "distraction" from the "real issues". If trying to understand the temperament of a man who might be entrusted with the lives of members of the armed forces is not relevant, than the personal life of Joe is utterly so.
Angry Left, do you have no sense of decency? (I know, toi ask it is to answer it).

Posted by: Teleprompter Messiah at October 16, 2008 01:42 PM (2/2Kk)

32 18.

beat me to it. damn.

Posted by: Dick_Nixon at October 16, 2008 01:42 PM (kaOJx)

33 "I called this last night during the debate. It's what Pravda does."

The American Drive-By Media: voluntary Pravda (i.e., without all the maintenance and coercion Pravda required).

Posted by: Kensington at October 16, 2008 01:42 PM (xFNQx)

34 Joe the plumber has given cause to unite and fight. Say no to Senator Government( i will never call him obama again. Best freudian slip EVAH)
If they attack this man, for simply asking a question and challenging the logic of the answer. They look like assholes and America will see it. I am waiting for the arrogant Senator Government to make a remark like Joe is not very smart or something. It is coming. Joe the Plumber will be the lynchpin pulled to collapse the machine.
Joe is the perfect gateway to assault Senator Government on taxes and spending. This is the sign that we will win. Stand strong my republican allies. Mac is within 2 among likely voters in Gallup. Within 4 in Rasmussen. The polls have shifted.
The arrogant elite school conservatives need to be proved wrong. These eggheads are just like senator government. I would question if they ever were really conservatives seeing as they are so willing to back a socialist mentored by communists.
Its us against them. The elite think they know best for 300 million americans. We know what is best not a handful of folks. We cannot let these turncoat benedict arnold traitor, snake in the grass ass cowards stop the march to victory.
Despite the cover up by the MSM, McCain made a fool out of Senator Government last night and mopped the floor up and down hofstra with Barry Big Government. With Joe the plumber on every news channel saying he is scared of Senator Governments tax plan as an average hard working american it gives evidence to McCain's whole argument last night.
It is a perfect storm and we cannot let it pass. When someone says Obama will help the middle class, just point them to joe who works 10-12 hour days and is finally able to own a business and create some jobs. Strike while the iron is hot.
Palin/Plumber 2012

Posted by: ppp at October 16, 2008 01:43 PM (zzms8)

35 "You know what would be funny? Tomorrow we hear a report that Joe shot
and killed a prowler outside his house and it turned out to be an MSM
reporter rummaging through his garbage.Actually, it wouldn't be funny;"
I'd laugh.

Posted by: Kensington at October 16, 2008 01:45 PM (xFNQx)

36 A certain amount of reporting/digging is fair if he is mis-representing himself somehow (such as the "poor" family in Maryland that couldn't afford health insurance, yet had a 300K+ condo, new cars, and a family tree full of Princeton grads). I don't know if that is the case, and somehow I think the left won't stop there anyway.

Posted by: buzz at October 16, 2008 01:45 PM (kwhut)

37 Remember that family that spoke up forthat gov't healthcare program and MM decided to do a little journalism to find out something about them? The lefties were horrified that she did things like DRIVE BY their house. Probably won't be hard to find someone who criticized her then but thinks Joe is fair game.

Posted by: MamaAJ at October 16, 2008 01:47 PM (X6Zdh)

38 Even if you're clean like Palin, Roberts, and Alioto, they make up crap. Remember they were trying to open up Roberts kids adoption records. What did they expect to find? That the kids were given up for adoption because the mothers were on the streets? The reason why they couldn't have kids? Only the left thinks that is valid in a debate on the qualification of a ussc justice. But, try to criticize obama about his paling around with terrorists, and you're a racist.

Posted by: Thomas Dewey at October 16, 2008 01:49 PM (MKM35)

39 I think Hannah Arendt said that one of the great achievements of
Stalinism was to replace all discussion involving arguments and
evidence with the question of motive. If someone were to say, for
example, that there are many people in the Soviet Union who don't have
enough to eat, it might make sense for them to respond, "It's not our
fault, it was the weather, a bad harvest or something." Instead it's
always, "Why is this person saying this, and why are they saying it in
such and such a magazine? It must be that this is part of a plan." - Christopher Hitchens, in The Atlantic (back when it was a more or less respectable magazine).

Posted by: Alex at October 16, 2008 01:49 PM (fgyj8)

40 Note to Tim Robbins: This is what a Chill Wind looks like.

Posted by: Jayne Cobb at October 16, 2008 01:51 PM (+MtXg)

41 Joe has gotten tougher interviews in 3 days than Obama has gotten in 2 years. And don't even get me started on the vetting process.

Posted by: Nicole at October 16, 2008 01:52 PM (3txVD)

42 Obama had now been endorsed by:

Iran
North Korea
Syria
Hama
Hezbollah
Fidel & Raul Castro
Farahkan
American Communist Party
Hugo Chavez

And every other terrorist and terrorist supporting nation.

Posted by: Thomas Dewey at October 16, 2008 01:54 PM (MKM35)

43 Oh please push "joe the plumber". Doesn't pay his taxes and not even aplumber since he is not licensed. That should make all craftsmen who require a license to work really really happy.
Can't McCain vet a single person, at least ask a question?

Posted by: smoke at October 16, 2008 01:54 PM (i5D30)

44 You know what? I've had 30 seconds to think about it, and I say go for it, MSM. Yeah, try to destroy this guy because you will only disgust more "normal" folks, and make yourselves look even more like pathetic assclowns, if that's even possible at this point.

Posted by: Nicole at October 16, 2008 01:55 PM (3txVD)

45 Get out of my head, buzz!

Posted by: MamaAJ at October 16, 2008 01:55 PM (X6Zdh)

46 The left shows their stupidity and how rabid they are when someone disagrees. Surprise Surprise.
How dare someone QUESTION the messiah??? How DARE he???
I expected this. In fact, I told my husband this morning Joe the Plumber might want to hire some body guards.
I was only half joking.

Posted by: SueM at October 16, 2008 01:55 PM (hme2f)

47 I'm sure his union betters will show up some night at a bar to "voice their displeasure", smoke.

Posted by: Techie at October 16, 2008 01:57 PM (d621h)

48 So Joe the Plumber is a bad guy now because he has a tax lien? Isn't that the whole fucking point? The tax burden on small businesses is already too cumbersome! Why wouldn't he want a tax break?

How does that discredit him? I don't get it.

Posted by: Kensington at October 16, 2008 01:57 PM (xFNQx)

49 We now know more about Joe the Plumber then we know about how Obama and Ayers squander 100 million dollars of other peoples money on the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. Your free press at work!

Posted by: liontooth at October 16, 2008 01:58 PM (n3pxb)

50 This "Joe" looks like the kind of prole we're seeking: outspoken enough to intimidate, physically imposing,but simple enough to be manipulated. He has probably already accrued the fear/respect of his God-fearing prole neighbors.
All these characteristics indicate that he'll make a finere-education camp trusty when We have assumed control. Take him, forcefully if necessary. And remember, trusties only get nightsticks, not firearms.

Posted by: railwriter at October 16, 2008 01:58 PM (nwEiU)

51 Ben Smith is cutting poor Joe a new one but it will do no good.
He isn't a plant and it's not really him that is giving this story legs, it's the "Spread the wealth" comment.

Posted by: Rocks at October 16, 2008 01:58 PM (Q1lie)

52 > He doesn't have a plumber's license!!! The horror, the horror...

He's a real-life Harry Tuttle!

Posted by: Sam Lowry at October 16, 2008 02:01 PM (j02xJ)

53 Yeah, ya know, his crack about Sammy Davis, Jr.? Freakin' anti-semite he is.
BONUS joke...
Irving: Sam, did you get that broadcasting job you applied for?
Sam: N-n-n-n-no, they're an-an-ant-t-t-ti s-s-s-s-sem-m-m-mites.

Posted by: Attila (Pillage Idiot) at October 16, 2008 02:01 PM (rfaI6)

54 Wow so Joe the plumber is going to be vetted by the media more than Obama. If I didn't have a level ahead about me I would say attack Joe the plumber, that will turn off so many people, but that is not fair to poor Joe.

Posted by: David at October 16, 2008 02:02 PM (NgoAe)

55 Joe should keep his powder dry and his head down (never know when you need to take out some snarky MSM reported trawling through your garbage or harassing your kids).

Posted by: IC at October 16, 2008 02:04 PM (jZNCU)

56 Of course the plumber's union is now denouncing him...just heard it on Rush.

Posted by: Jim62sch at October 16, 2008 02:04 PM (ubHgw)

57 #43=EPIC BECLOWN.
Joe, you Magnificent Bastard! Stand strong, get louder, hit back. We are with you.
MSM: please go after this guy. Humiliate him. Americans hate underdogs and love to watch the innocent be bullied needlessly. More, please. Oh I almost forgot: if you can show that he's a smoker, or that he likes bowling so he must be really stupid, or that he drinks cheap beer, or something along those lines,that's a good plan too. Tell us how really really stupid he is so we'll all want to be "elite" just like you and vote for your leg-thriller.
Awesome.

Posted by: adam h at October 16, 2008 02:05 PM (bijvq)

58 I think we need a fun facts about Joe the Plumber thread.
I'll start it.
When Joe the Plumber takes on the bad guys in an 80s video, he always wins the inevitable pipe wrench fight.

Posted by: PalinFan at October 16, 2008 02:06 PM (ivbbD)

59 If they really want to go this route, let's check all the open records for every single reporter who plays this game. How much stuff do they have that they wouldn't want to be found out?
Yes, it's slimy and despicable, but we keep letting them get away with it. Give them a taste of their own medicine, they'll think twice.

Posted by: SaTx at October 16, 2008 02:06 PM (t9IvU)

60 I expect to hear that Andi the Excitable Beagle Blogger wil tell us
that this Joe the Plumber guy is really Trig Palin's father?

I think we should start referring to Andi as "The Official Obstetrician of Gay Gossip Rag and AntiSemitic Conspiracy Theory Newsletter, The Atlantic Monthly".

Posted by: Jim62sch at October 16, 2008 02:08 PM (ubHgw)

61 This will not go over well with the American people. Digging into some random's guy background because he had the audacity to question Obama about his tax policy? Don't we ALL have the right to question candidates about their true plans and ideas for this nation before we are asked to vote? Joe was only doing what MANY other people would've loved to have the opportunity to do...talk to the candidate directly and get an answer on things that matter to them.

No one cares if Joe paid his taxes, has a DUI arrest, or anything else. He's not running for office....EVERYONE has the right to question their candidates for the presidency in such a fashion.

This will backfire big time. Watch out lefties.

Posted by: Kris G at October 16, 2008 02:09 PM (7GZEI)

62 Of course they are denouncing him. He doesn't hold a license to be a damn plumber.
Can I interest any of you in a real shiny penny?

Posted by: smoke at October 16, 2008 02:09 PM (i5D30)

63 We keep hearing that Joe does not have a plumbing license. Well, think about it. He said, he is getting ready to buy a plumbing business. I don't remember the man saying he was already a plumber. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.What if the man is in the midst of gettting his license as we are speaking.

Posted by: KCLady at October 16, 2008 02:09 PM (4eYzF)

64 Quite a laundry list of crooked dealing this year, eh? We have an aggressiveconspiracy of the leftist elite to silence an average American,a media conspiracy to quash any negative references to the socialist candidate, anda presidential campaign that not only lies about absolutely everything but has people committing credit card fraud as part of the fund raising effortwhilefunneling countless millions into a professional voter-fraud organization that's probably responsible for more than 200,000 false registrations in one state alone. That's just a portion ofthe sleazy and illegal stuff that we already know about. From the nut roots to the top of the blighted tree, the entire leftist structure is involved in criminality. I suspect that if truth be known we'd find that leftist vandalism of property is at an all time high this year, and there are probably many physical assaults that have gone unreported. That's the liberal base in action. We'll also findthat there are threats to property and/or livesbeing madebehind closed doors, payoffs of all sorts, etc. by those at the top of the jackass party.60's style violentactivismcombined with Chicago style political corruption. If they win by anything resembling a narrow margin the State will be illegitimate, and run by a group of scum who have no regard for law, tradition, or common moral decency.Time to hoard ammo.

Posted by: Reactionary at October 16, 2008 02:09 PM (H7yZC)

65 Spread The Wealth = Joe The Plumber = Where's The Beef?

The details don't matter. Hart had some beef but the meme was set. It worked.
The same with Joe The Plumber, the details are just that details, who cares.
Obama wants to spread other peoples wealth.
Obama's answer to Where's the Beef? is I don't have any but I'll take it from those who do.

Posted by: Rocks at October 16, 2008 02:10 PM (Q1lie)

66 When Joe the Plumber takes on the bad guys in an 80s video, he always wins the inevitable pipe wrench fight.

Yes! Joe Biden/Joe the Plumber Pipe Wrench Fight!

To be immediately followed by a Palin/Obama sniper duel a la War of the Rats.

Posted by: Jim62sch at October 16, 2008 02:10 PM (ubHgw)

67 Please watch this very interesting video -- an interview with Yuri Bezmenov, a former KGB propogandist who defected to the West.
http://tiny.cc/Z9D0c
If you haven't already seen this vid, please watch it...it is a must-see. It will make you mad, but you will understand why some of your lib friends think the way they do and the strategies of the far left to spread misinformation and change the way average Americans think. It occurs to me that the left leaning ideologues have already partially succeeded here in the US.
Yuri Alexandrovitch Bezmenov is a former KGB propagandist who was assigned to New Dehli, India, defected to the West in 1970, and was interviewed by Edward Griffin in 1985. Bezmenov explains his background, some of his training, and exactly how Soviet propaganda is spread in other countries in order to subvert their teachers, politicians, and other policy makers to a mindset receptive to the Soviet ideology.
He also explains in detail the goal of Soviet propaganda as total subversion of another country and the 4 step formula for achieving this goal. He recalls the details of how he escaped India, defected to the West, and settled in Montreal as an announcer for the CBC.

Posted by: Juliet16 at October 16, 2008 02:11 PM (2xgu5)

68 The crazy people are taking over the democratic party. Time to fight, fight, fight. Maybe if conservatives restrain themselves and focus on more important things they will just go away. Something seems to be happening in the financial institutions that might be worth taking a look at.

Posted by: bleh at October 16, 2008 02:11 PM (GNCy6)

69 One only needs a plumber's license in Ohio if they do commercial work, not needed for residential work.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at October 16, 2008 02:13 PM (Ulsfn)

70 Just to answer Smoke, Geraghty at Campaign Spot notes that you don't need a plumber's license to do residential work, just commercial work. Links to the Ohio building code provision too.
Now, I'm sure Smoke will go back and correct all his pals.

Posted by: bluejade at October 16, 2008 02:14 PM (DjMXQ)

71 One only needs a plumber's license in Ohio if they do commercial work, not needed for residential work.
The lib nutters aren't going to like that! Keep on digging, nutters.

Posted by: KCLady at October 16, 2008 02:15 PM (4eYzF)

72 Folks, I apologize for the link mistake in #67 -- here is the corrected version of the post:
Please watch this very interesting video -- an interview with Yuri Bezmenov, a former KGB propogandist who defected to the West.
http://tiny.cc/LB7TK
If you haven't already seen this vid, please watch it...it is a must-see. It will make you mad, but you will understand why some of your lib friends think the way they do and the strategies of the far left to spread misinformation and change the way average Americans think. It occurs to me that the left leaning ideologues have already partially succeeded here in the US.
Yuri Alexandrovitch Bezmenov is a former KGB propagandist who was assigned to New Dehli, India, defected to the West in 1970, and was interviewed by Edward Griffin in 1985. Bezmenov explains his background, some of his training, and exactly how Soviet propaganda is spread in other countries in order to subvert their teachers, politicians, and other policy makers to a mindset receptive to the Soviet ideology.
He also explains in

Posted by: Juliet16 at October 16, 2008 02:16 PM (2xgu5)

73 If he works for a licensed plumber I doubt he needs one as well, he is just an employee.

Posted by: Javems at October 16, 2008 02:17 PM (hq71Y)

74 He is working for a guy that has a license. He does not need a license. If he bought the business, he would need to employ a licensed plumber. He still would not need to have a license himself. It would be wise to have one and not depend on someone else but not required.

Posted by: Vmaximus at October 16, 2008 02:19 PM (sA5Gz)

75 Oh yeah keep making the explanation you really don't need a license in Ohio if you are working with another licensed plumber or just scream from the left
HE IS NOT EVEN LICENSED?
What are people going to hear?
I still have that shiny penny if you guys want to see it

Posted by: smoke at October 16, 2008 02:23 PM (i5D30)

76 >>62 Of course they are denouncing him. He doesn't hold a license to be a damn plumber.
Can I interest any of you in a real shiny penny?<<
Besides, what the fuck does that have to do with Obambi's economic policies?

Posted by: Javems at October 16, 2008 02:24 PM (hq71Y)

77 But who cares if he does have a license or not? The point is, Joe is the everyman. The guy on the street. The guy who is unemployed, the guy who might have multiple DUIs, the guy who might be filing for bankruptcy, etc. Any number of sad scenarios. It doesn't matter what Joe does for a living. What matters is that he is now being investigated by the press and online nutjobs just because he asked a candidate a pretty simple question: are you going to raise my taxes?

I have a feeling "Joe the Plumber" is going to be the footnote in the history books as the man who turned the tide in the election. This is just the tip of the iceberg. Just wait...there's still 19 days to go...

Posted by: Kris G at October 16, 2008 02:24 PM (7GZEI)

78 Joe-the-Canary-in-a-Coal-Mine.

Posted by: Jayne Cobb at October 16, 2008 02:25 PM (+MtXg)

79 It would be wise to have one and not depend on someone else but not required.
I agree that if he does start owning the business, that he should get his own license. Perhaps he is working on gettting one.

Posted by: KCLady at October 16, 2008 02:26 PM (4eYzF)

80 But who cares if he does have a license or not? The point is, Joe is the everyman. The guy on the street. The guy who is unemployed, the guy who might have multiple DUIs, the guy who might be filing for bankruptcy, etc. Any number of sad scenarios. It doesn't matter what Joe does for a living. What matters is that he is now being investigated by the press and online nutjobs just because he asked a candidate a pretty simple question: are you going to raise my taxes?
I thought this was Sarah Palin?

Posted by: smoke at October 16, 2008 02:27 PM (i5D30)

81 Way off topic but a plane flew by pulling a Geico advertising banner with a picture of the cave man (a made up aggrieved class). From a distance it looks like Che what ever the fuck his name (worm food)is.

Posted by: Javems at October 16, 2008 02:28 PM (hq71Y)

82 Yep, it's Joe's fault what came out of BO's mouth. He used a Jedi mind trick I tells ya. Those unlicensed because you don't need to be for residential work plumber types arerenouned for that.

Posted by: Fred R. at October 16, 2008 02:29 PM (SmaMG)

83 Smoke, so you are openingly admitting that the Left embraces The Big Lie?

"It doesn't matter if he needs one, we're going to shout HE DOESN'T HAVE A LICENSE!!!"

Posted by: Techie at October 16, 2008 02:30 PM (d621h)

84 It has been said but is worth repeating...that we finally have the answer to the mother of all Existential Questions: Where's Joe?

Indeed, Joe is the sound of one hand clapping.

Posted by: adam h at October 16, 2008 02:31 PM (bijvq)

85 > Way off topic but a plane flew by pulling a Geico advertising banner with a picture of the cave man (a made up aggrieved class). From a distance it looks like Che what ever the fuck his name (worm food) is.

I've seen those too. The first time I never got close enough to realize it wasn't Che, so I was puzzled for a while.

Posted by: The Chap in the Deerstalker Cap at October 16, 2008 02:32 PM (j02xJ)

86 What the hell is The Big Lie? It is freaking politics.
And you rightwingers need to figure out how to play it, scaring the shit out of people is not working very well.
And the last thing I want is a veto proof majority in Congress. Then we will be truly screwed

Posted by: smoke at October 16, 2008 02:34 PM (i5D30)

87 I'd like to nominate smoke for the Diderot "I like balls and spunk" post-morph treatment.

Posted by: bunny boy at October 16, 2008 02:35 PM (YsSn7)

88 do you know hard an MSM reporter is to gut and clean?
Speaking from more than 30 years' experience, I say it's quite easy. They're remarkably thin-skinned and completely gutless. Tastes like chicken, interestingly.
My favorite recipe: rancid reporter remains stuffed with fish guts.

Posted by: Paulitics at October 16, 2008 02:36 PM (iYguc)

89 Smoke is weird. I direct him towards a link about the plumber's license,but he just keeps saying the same thing over and over again. Then he gives the Right political advice. Very odd.

Posted by: bluejade at October 16, 2008 02:38 PM (DjMXQ)

90 If it was "Jose the Plumber", I'd have to bet that people like Smoke would consider any questioning about having a license to be motivated by racism. 'Cause we all know all those illegal Mexican plumbers are fully licensed and bonded and pay all their taxes and union dues.

Posted by: Raoul Ortega at October 16, 2008 02:40 PM (jO77p)

91 Jonathan Martin is a despicable "human being" and deserves whatever the Universe deals to him. This is not a threat. I believe what goes around comes around without any effort on my part.

Posted by: w3bgrrl at October 16, 2008 02:46 PM (++F+m)

92 His back taxes? Hell, over at Kos they put up EVERYTHING about the man. I'm talking social security number, address, EVERYTHING. To their credit, some of them actually protested (rather weakly, in my view, but protestation it was) to such action, but it was still up when I checked.

Posted by: Joseph at October 16, 2008 02:57 PM (0IZI3)

93 Posted by: Raoul Ortega at October 16, 2008 02:40 PM (jO77p)
Bitch slap!

Posted by: KCLady at October 16, 2008 02:57 PM (4eYzF)

94
And the last thing I want is a veto proof majority in Congress. Then we will be truly screwed

Add someone who thinks the economy is a pie that he can split up and we are done. Which industry will fail next? Is it the auto industry? Here, have a trillion dollars.

Posted by: bleh at October 16, 2008 02:59 PM (GNCy6)

95 Posted by: Joseph at October 16, 2008 02:57 PM (0IZI3)
Holy fucking shit! You have to be kidding, right? Oh what the heck am I thinking? This iskos for crying out loud. Just when you thought the lib nutters couldn't stoop any lower.

Posted by: KCLady at October 16, 2008 03:00 PM (4eYzF)

96 90, Wouldn't that make Joe an "undocumented" plumber?

Posted by: Teleprompter Messiah at October 16, 2008 03:02 PM (2/2Kk)

97 smoke,

How about a nice big cup of go fuck yourself, you fat fuck for brains piggish sucker of Andrew Sullivan's minaturized cock?

Posted by: Smokey The Bear at October 16, 2008 03:03 PM (GYHOH)

98 Perhaps obama should have had a disclaimer before he took questions from that crowd in Ohio.
"If you ask me a question, make sure it makes me look good. If you do happen to ask me a question that puts me in a negative light, I will have my cronies invade your personal life and try to ruin your reputation. Be forewarned"

Posted by: KCLady at October 16, 2008 03:03 PM (4eYzF)

99 Guys, I hear Jonathan Martin and the folks atfiredoglake were all once arrested for child abuse.
I don't know if it's true. I'm just asking questions.

Posted by: Spade at October 16, 2008 03:07 PM (7WUru)

100 Don't you know that many Americans across this land will come to Joe's aid if he ends up in some kind of economic or other trouble due to the DailyKOS and their ILLEGAL posting of the guy's personal information? My God, his social security number??? Do they even SEE how utterly crazy they are right now?

Joe, I live in Virginia. If you ever need a place to stay, my door is open to you.

Posted by: Kris G at October 16, 2008 03:12 PM (7GZEI)

101 They better leave our Joe alone.

However, I suspect he can take care of himself just fine.

Posted by: Swegin at October 16, 2008 03:14 PM (q0Z3p)

102 I don't have a state contractors licence either . 30 yrs. in construction and a sense of personal honor are all that's required to run my business . Quite a few state licensing requirements only go to increase the wealth and bureaucratic power of the states . On a related note , I knew a plumber with a bachelors in mechanical engineering . The local tech school wanted him to teach the plumbers course there . Because of local politics he couldn't get a license. So , no teaching job . He still did very well as the go to plumber for quite a few loyal customers. I learned a great deal about plumbing from him even though I'm a carpenter . I plumbed and wired my own house thanks to guys like him .
Keep it up , MSM . We working class people hate you more every day .

Posted by: aubrey at October 16, 2008 03:16 PM (joS+d)

103 The Obama Left and their media attack dogs are intent on destroying Sarah Palin and Joe the Plumber, while at the same time they are doing their very best to promote and "mainstream" the dispicable traits of Bill Ayers and Rev. Wright.
This is really a fight for America and it's values, and it is the main reason why I have completely disassociated myself from the rotten Left, after defending and promoting their vile assess for way too long.

Posted by: Oxycon at October 16, 2008 03:19 PM (rnuC+)

104 Oh please push "joe the plumber".

Okay.

Posted by: toby928 at October 16, 2008 03:19 PM (evdj2)

105 102, You bitter clinger, don't you know that being self-sufficient and building a business is for saps. Senator Government wants to help you and you won't drink his Kool-Aid. Yours is a clear case of "distractions" interfering with your self-interest to get a government check.

Posted by: Teleprompter Messiah at October 16, 2008 03:28 PM (2/2Kk)

106 My prediction:
Joe the Plumber will get a Saturday afternoon half hour show on Fox News within two years, (right before the Beltway Boys) and it will be called Joe's Six Pack or Joe's Lunchbucket and focus on issues affecting the middle class (at least until the next Natalee Holloway-esque extravaganza).
Mark it down.

Posted by: heypally at October 16, 2008 03:41 PM (3x7Zi)

107 Ooooo, a penny!

(Just doing my impression of a MSM-fed voter.

)

Posted by: exdem13 at October 16, 2008 03:50 PM (nQ6xk)

108 Smoke dropping by brings to mind: whatever happened to Obama's pledge to stop smoking? I dogpiled "Obama smoking" and the latest mention: June (ABC blog). In that story, Obama admits falling of the wagon. Shouldn't that be the beginning of the story and not the end?
Don't the people have a right to know if Obama is inviting health problems? How much is he smoking? What do his lung x-rays look like?

Posted by: Bel Aire at October 16, 2008 03:51 PM (ocHBO)

109 105 teleprompter messiah..... You sound as though you might be a clinger as well.

See you at the re-education compound .

Posted by: aubrey at October 16, 2008 04:01 PM (joS+d)

110 What Obama said "We're not trying to punish you for starting a business..." was a little too quick. Looking for someone to punish isthe favorite thing of these people.

Posted by: Cincinnatus at October 16, 2008 04:02 PM (ZAlQ3)

111 109, when the reeducation folks come looking, I'll be out in the woods, you see, with my woman, the kids and the dogs and me, along with my rifle, shotgun and four wheel drive.

Posted by: Teleprompter Messiah at October 16, 2008 04:29 PM (2/2Kk)

112 Question for you, smoke: do you have a license to be a complete tool? I'd hate to think you were spreading your douchebaggery all over Ace's blog without the proper certifications.

Hell, over at Kos they put up EVERYTHING about the man. I'm talking social security number, address, EVERYTHING.

Gosh, what a good job they are doing of trying to convince Joe and folks like him to vote for their candidate! The message? Question The One and the brownshirts will obliterate you.

Posted by: Angry Beaver at October 16, 2008 04:35 PM (7sVL1)

113 I hope Joethe plumber has a well protected password - if not, Daily Kos and Gawker will soon be posting Joe'sE-mails.

Posted by: adk46er at October 16, 2008 04:47 PM (kw5eP)

114 "I am Joe the Plumber" with reg'lar folks needs to be an ad campaign nlt tomorrow.

Mccain's ideas were never that bad, but JTP is the rhetorical peg on which to hang the arguement.

Posted by: David at October 16, 2008 04:47 PM (Hj9yW)

115

Let’s replace "Jesus was a community organizer"
with
"Don't shoot the questioner!"

Posted by: robert at October 16, 2008 04:55 PM (gue+Q)

116 Why doesn't somebody go through Olberman's garbage...Maddow's...Couric's?

Posted by: PJ at October 16, 2008 04:58 PM (GVdvM)

117 We're all in this together...

Posted by: Harry Tuttle at October 16, 2008 05:07 PM (ujg0T)

118 Funny thing is, Hillary would have had a shot and a beer with Joe and chuckled about the whole thing.
Key diff between her and the O!

Posted by: ushie at October 16, 2008 05:12 PM (XWJh5)

119 "And you rightwingers need to figure out how to play it, scaring the shit out of people is not working very well. "

That piece of shit thinks the right is using the left's playbook. If you open your mouth about The One, you will be personally destroyed.

Not that owing a louse $1K+ in back taxes means anything. But just wait until your divorce proceedings are unsealed. Or your children's medical records are published on the internet.

Posted by: iconoclast at October 16, 2008 05:16 PM (ex0JG)

120 Question for you, smoke: do you have a license to be a complete tool? I'd hate to think you were spreading your douchebaggery all over Ace's blog without the proper certifications.
Actually I am a free lance tool, but thanks for asking.

Posted by: smoke at October 16, 2008 05:29 PM (i5D30)

121 If Sarah Palin pegged out the leftosphere's fear-meter, Joe might just explode it.

Posted by: Jim Treacher at October 16, 2008 05:38 PM (NV3P1)

122 FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
TWO AND TWO MAKE FIVE
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

BIG BARACK IS WATCHING

KOSKIDS (et al.) ARE MINISTRY OF LOVE

ministry of peace (suggested by kucinich)
ministry of truth (msm)
ministry of plenty (new deal 2.0)

Posted by: A.G. at October 16, 2008 06:05 PM (dLr1y)

123 funny. we have heard about the palins' possible affiliations with the AK Independence party. we have heard about joe's possible affiliations with the natural law party (and later pressed on the issue). but i can't find a single article (on a google news search) from the msm on obama and the new party, and those are archived, easily-found webpages? He ran as a democrat because of Illinois' fusion laws. only thing was Brit mentioning it in the grapevine one nite, along with the Party's dissent.

Posted by: A.G. at October 16, 2008 06:20 PM (dLr1y)

124 Actually I am a free lance tool, but thanks for asking.

Ah, self-unemployed as it were.

Posted by: toby928 at October 17, 2008 09:47 AM (evdj2)

125 I really want to kick this guy's ass. However, public humiliation will suffice. Why is it that democrats refuse to play dirty. Sure, we should be above this. However, if the other guy is playing dirty and its working, does it make sense to keep getting hit. I think of one of the tactics that helped us win the war for independence: american troops stopped the time honored tradition of lining up in formation in unprotected space to shoot "honorably," switching to what we know as gurilla warfare, which helped even the odds (surpass them) against a better trained, greater numbered, greater weaponized force. Can we dems start playing dirty for a change instead of continually lying down and getting kicked by these fascist, lying, rat bastards.

Yeah, I still want to kick the shit out of Joe the (fuckhead). Medal of honor to those that "vet" this prick publicly. I'll be first in line to kiss their feet in thanks. God I hate this fucker.

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