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Posted by: Skip at October 26, 2025 08:58 AM (+qU29) 2
Welcome back, Perfessor! Weasel did yeoman's work during your absence, but we're glad to have you back in control of the starship!
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 09:00 AM (omVj0) 3
Welcome back Perfessor
Slowly winding down Rick Atkinson's The British are Coming, American Revolution 1775-7. Posted by: Skip at October 26, 2025 09:00 AM (+qU29) 4
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Posted by: Elrond Hubbard at October 26, 2025 09:02 AM (WQDw6) 5
"Perfessor": Welcome back to running the book thread! You've been missed.
I'm continuing to (slowly) read Edgar Rice Burrough's "The Chessmen of Mars". I'm only slow due to a head cold I'm suffering through, the book itself is enjoyable (though very weird at parts.) Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at October 26, 2025 09:03 AM (O7YUW) 6
A side bar to Rick Atkinson's book.
He mentioned after the Americans lost NY in fall 1776, they retreated to NJ, then crossed over to PA traveling losing deserters and sick. A hospital at Moravian village was set up in Bethlehem PA where many died. As it happens, I have been working at Moravian University so tomorrow will fing this building and a mass grave that was found with a monument in town. Posted by: Skip at October 26, 2025 09:04 AM (+qU29) 7
The Squirrel is back!
Posted by: dantesed at October 26, 2025 09:05 AM (Oy/m2) 8
I got Mark Twain's quote dreadfully wrong last week. Here it is corrected.
"You may say a cat uses good grammar. Well, a cat does—but you let a cat get excited, once; you let a cat get to pulling fur with another cat on a shed, nights, and you'll hear grammar that will give you the lockjaw. Ignorant people think it's the noise which fighting cats make that is so aggravating, but it ain't so; it's the sickening grammar they use. Now I've never heard a jay use bad grammar but very seldom; and when they do, they are as ashamed as a human; they shut right down and leave." Good morning, book worms. Posted by: BifBewalski at October 26, 2025 09:05 AM (QVmho) 9
Morning, Perfessor. Welcome back.
And a thank you to Weasel for keeping the lights on, watering the weeds, feeding the beasts, and bringing in the mail during the Perfessor's absence. Howdy, Horde. Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 26, 2025 09:06 AM (q3u5l) 10
President Trump reactivated Selfridge AF base knowing Doug Ford and Mark Carney would be starting a war with us. Posted by: Auspex at October 26, 2025 09:06 AM (Y8DZL) 11
Good morning morons and welcome back perfessor Your pimp hand is strong.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 26, 2025 09:07 AM (m6HS6) 12
My new edition of Camp of the Saints is finally scheduled to arrive this week from Amazon. Should have ordered direct from the publisher.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at October 26, 2025 09:09 AM (XvL8K) 13
I put Moby Dick down to read Code Of The Woosters and contracted an ear worm:
“ he came up a real smeller. “ Posted by: Accomack at October 26, 2025 09:09 AM (3U9lo) Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 26, 2025 09:10 AM (PTiHb) 15
Welcome back Perfessor and thanks to Weasel for keeping the book thread alive and kicking.
I won't be commenting much, if at all, today. Tendonitis in the right arm. It usually goes away in a few days. I'm typing this with my left hand and it's a slow process. I'll leave my usual four paragraph comments for next week. Posted by: JTB at October 26, 2025 09:10 AM (yTvNw) 16
Squirrel!!!
Posted by: Doggy at October 26, 2025 09:11 AM (i0F8b) 17
Good Sunday morning, horde. Welcome back, Perfessor!
And a hearty thanks to Weasel for keeping the door open for us while the Perfessor was out. While traveling last week, I listened to Zelazny's A Night in the Lonesome October, suggested by so many here. I think I missed a bit, as I have to focus on driving occasionally, but it was a good Halloween story. Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at October 26, 2025 09:12 AM (h7ZuX) 18
Yes, that is the QE library. Beautiful art deco ship.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 26, 2025 09:12 AM (0U5gm) 19
Hello, hello! Welcome back! So glad you can allocate time to this!
Posted by: runner at October 26, 2025 09:13 AM (g47mK) 20
This week I've been going through Joe R. Lansdale's "Hap & Leonard" crime novel, a fairly early one (1997), called Bad Chili. Hap and Leonard are both pretty hard-boiled fellows, but they tend to associate with guys (some on the same side of the law-and-order fence) who are even worse.
BC contains a torture scene, and introduces Hap's girlfriend from later books: Brett, a nurse who meets him when he is hospitalized for rabies shots (a squirrel bit him! No kidding!). She's a saucy creature . . . but somehow some of her sexy dialog does not ring completely true to me, as if she is trying too hard. She appears in later books as a stand-up character, so she is not trying to deceive Hap. It's just odd. Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 09:14 AM (omVj0) 21
Perfessor I hope your return indicates that your career and job disruption is resolved. b"h
Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 26, 2025 09:14 AM (CA6zO) 22
Just finished Zelazny’s Night in Lonesome October. I’ll have more to say about it next week!
Posted by: Perfessor Sqiurrel at October 26, 2025 09:16 AM (eIoxf) 23
It was great meeting you, Perfessor. Note to everyone - get to a meet up; if not in Texas, there has to be one somewhere near you. It is great to meet folks from here in person, and not have to type to carry on a conversation.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 26, 2025 09:16 AM (0U5gm) 24
I’m reading David Mamet,s Recessional. It,s fantastic. It got a lot of press for its conservative political takes but there much more in it.
Posted by: Who Knew at October 26, 2025 09:16 AM (0fSt0) 25
Welcome back professor
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at October 26, 2025 09:17 AM (bXbFr) 26
This week I also finished a collection of non-Jack Reacher short stories by Lee Child, Safe Enough. Some were good reads, some seemed as if he was rushing the ending to make the anthology's word count. Maybe that's what modern anthology editors want?
On the TBR pile is another, later Reacher, Blue Moon from 2019. By then he had been writing the series for more than twenty years. Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 09:17 AM (omVj0) Posted by: naturalfake at October 26, 2025 09:18 AM (iJfKG) 28
Yay! Prof is back!
Taking longer than I thought to finish "Game Without Rules." I'm enjoying the stories, but I don't know that I'll reread them. So: Keep the book because it was a gift, or trade it in for store credit? Thoughts, anybody? Posted by: Weak Geek at October 26, 2025 09:18 AM (p/isN) 29
Also on the TBR pile: another Joe R. Lansdale, Leather Maiden (2008 ), set in his native east Texas; and Mark Winegardner's successor to Mario Puzo's saga, The Godfather Returns. The first page seemed to echo Puzo's style in the original, so I thought I'd give it a try.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 09:19 AM (omVj0) 30
PERFESSER!
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at October 26, 2025 09:20 AM (7gFa4) 31
Not a lot of reading this week. Instead of finishing the Nabokov, I detoured into one of Simenon's later Maigret novels (Maigret Sets a Trap).
Found the first Maigret less than enthralling; the later one was much better, though not IMHO up to the non-Maigret novels. Will read more of them, and eventually the whole series (75 of 'em!), but I'm not in a hurry. Though maybe I should be -- I'll hit 76 next month, and so many books, so little etc. Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 26, 2025 09:20 AM (q3u5l) 32
I was reading some colin forbes paperbacks sort of spy stories but with some second rate bond villains
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at October 26, 2025 09:20 AM (bXbFr) 33
Welcome back Perfesser.
Great to meet you in person in the Lone Star State. I like the formatting change for your book reviews above. Also love the pimp hat pic as well! Posted by: Quarter Twenty at October 26, 2025 09:21 AM (NYanP) 34
The pants requirement is back in force. Violations are being recorded in your Permanent Record again.
Thank you for your attention to this matter. Posted by: Bob from NSA at October 26, 2025 09:22 AM (0sNs1) 35
Welcome back Prof. The break confirmed the horde carries on, and Weasel herded us forward, but a steward is useful.
Posted by: From about That Time at October 26, 2025 09:23 AM (n4GiU) 36
Yes godfathet returns was ok trying to fill in the gaps between the 2nd and 3rd films (need we speak of that)
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at October 26, 2025 09:24 AM (bXbFr) 37
Good Morning!
Let's smile & be happy & strike fear into the heart of killjoy leftists everywhere. Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 26, 2025 09:24 AM (u82oZ) 38
Welcome back!
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 26, 2025 09:25 AM (ZOv7s) 39
I was reading some colin forbes paperbacks sort of spy stories but with some second rate bond villains
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at October 26, 2025 09:20 AM (bXbFr) The villains only want to take over half of the world? Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 26, 2025 09:25 AM (g8Ew8) 40
Lat week at this time I was halfway across OK on my way back to MO.
Posted by: Perfessor Sqiurrel at October 26, 2025 09:26 AM (eIoxf) 41
One set wants to take over england payne harrison did it better
They were more like stock characters from the avengers series Posted by: Miguel cervantes at October 26, 2025 09:28 AM (bXbFr) 42
Taking longer than I thought to finish "Game Without Rules." I'm enjoying the stories, but I don't know that I'll reread them.
Posted by: Weak Geek at October 26, 2025 09:18 AM (p/isN) I've been reading this, too. I read the first two stories before my week got stressful and I couldn't concentrate. I do enjoy how Calder and Behrens seem so casual about their secret work. Then come home and have a cup of tea as though nothing happenend. Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at October 26, 2025 09:28 AM (h7ZuX) 43
@40/Perfessor Sqiurrel: Uh, your name sir. It needs a bit of attention.
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at October 26, 2025 09:28 AM (O7YUW) 44
Autocucumber
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at October 26, 2025 09:31 AM (bXbFr) 45
Welcome back Perfessor. So glad to see you and Huggy and his cute little hat.
Posted by: Tuna at October 26, 2025 09:31 AM (lJ0H4) 46
Huh. Drop downs. I never saw that on this bunker-oil fueled website before. Neat.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 26, 2025 09:31 AM (BI5O2) 47
If someone digs those pants up a hundred years from now, will scientists be able to determine if they belonged to a male or female?
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at October 26, 2025 09:31 AM (NYanP) Posted by: callsign claymore at October 26, 2025 09:31 AM (AvAmV) 49
I've reached the point in The Jewish War where Josephus describes his capture by the Romans. This came after he led the most impressive resistance to them, and endured a grueling siege which the Romans ended by weaponizing sleep deprivation, keeping operations going round the clock until the sentries could not stay awake.
If you want to know where the whole concept of 'the Purge' or the notion that society is but a thin veneer covering savagery came from, Second Temple Judea is a good place to look. Without a strong hand, people just start killing each other and the "self defense militias" were more interested in raiding their neighbors than fighting Romans. Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 26, 2025 09:31 AM (ZOv7s) 50
I was looking for a new horror novel to read and came across- "King Pain" by Joe Hill I read the first five chapters on Amazon, and Joe Hill is definitely his father's son. His father is Stephen King. So, here's the problem, "King Pain" reads exactly like an SK book. Same lengthy intro (backstory within backstory), same easy0read prose, same little snarky libtard asides, same basic set-up - a group of college chums make a faustian bargain with a dragon whom they have to battle thru the decades". If this sounds like a reptilian version of "IT", it probably is. Has anyone read any Joe hill Novels? is he any good? More to the point, is "King Pain" any good? Please chime in, fellow bookcanneers! Posted by: naturalfake at October 26, 2025 09:32 AM (iJfKG) 51
Welcome back Perfessor Squirrel!
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“ God also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘The Lord, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.’ “This is my name forever, the name you shall call me from generation to generation.”
Exodus 3:15 Posted by: Marcus T at October 26, 2025 09:32 AM (Ybx9r) 53
The Huggy-the-Squirrel picture is awesome.
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at October 26, 2025 09:32 AM (O7YUW) 54
Good morning all.
Welcome back Perfesser. I hope library pics become de rigeur again. Books: started the first Spenser book not by Robert Parker, Lullaby by Mike Lupica. Disappointed. He does all the things I hated about the first couple of Parker books. Every little detail in a scene described. What everyone is wearing, all the shops on the street, what is on everyone's plate, what the weather is like. It is just unnecessary filler while the story line goes nowhere. Has anyone read any of these? Are any of the other authors any good? Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 26, 2025 09:32 AM (t/2Uw) Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at October 26, 2025 09:33 AM (h7ZuX) 56
If, as one of the morons recommended, you do read “Around the World in Eighty Days,” I suggest you chase it with “The Other Log of Phileas Fogg” by Philip Jose Farmer. It is a steampunkish science fiction novel written around the concept that the Jules Verne novel is a recounting of actual events… but it is a cover story meant to conceal what truly happened (a conflict of epic proportions with the fate of the world hanging in the balance). The Other Log of Phileas Fogg is presented as the true story that happened behind and between the scenes of the Verne novel. It’s a rip snorting adventure and I loved it when it was published in 1973.
Posted by: Danfan at October 26, 2025 09:33 AM (jEQcb) 57
*46 Huh. Drop downs. I never saw that on this bunker-oil fueled website before. Neat.*
We're hip with it, Daddy-o. Posted by: The Society for the Preservation of Bunker-Oil Fueled Websites at October 26, 2025 09:35 AM (NYanP) 58
"I had paid my last farewell to Harry a week ago when his coffin was lowered ... so that it was with incredulity that I saw him pass by among the host of strangers in the Strand". This idea popped into Graham Greene's head one day, and he wrote it down. Twenty years later, he pulled out that old scrap of paper, and expanded it into the screenplay and the novel, The Third Man.
The setting is moved to post war Vienna, and the story is told by Colonel Calloway, an authority in the British sector of the captured city. Rollo Martins, pen name Ben Dexter, writer of pulp westerns, has just arrived in Vienna to meet his old friend Harry Lime, when he finds that Lime has been hit by a car and killed. Martins is suspicious, knowing that Harry has always had a streak of improbable fortune, and the witness stories do not match. Indeed, as he surreptitiously investigates, he finds that Harry is possibly alive, while witnesses are dying. As in many Greene novels, the facts trickle out in dribs and drabs, and the reader has to put the facts together themselves. The technique tends to make novels like this one more memorable, as the reader slowly begins to see the true story. Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 26, 2025 09:36 AM (0U5gm) 59
Finished The Great Influenza: The Story of the Deadliest Pandemic in History by John M. Barry.
It is not just about the Influenza, but about the medical efforts to stop it, how cities and towns in America almost crumbled under the large number of deaths, and bad governance. President Wilson and his total indifference to the epidemic is highlighted. I liked the biochemistry asides and the attitude of the leading medical establishment of the time. We are survivors of the COVID-19 Wuhan epidemic. IMHO, the recent results were made worse by so called experts of today, misleading the lessons from the past. The one measure that worked was total isolation. This is an illuminating cautionary tale. I recommend it. Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 26, 2025 09:37 AM (u82oZ) 60
If someone digs those pants up a hundred years from now, will scientists be able to determine if they belonged to a male or female?
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at October 26, 2025 *** Depends on how they button. Left over right? Male. Right over left? Female. Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 09:37 AM (omVj0) 61
Comment: Funny how what's old is new again. We still seem to have a bunch of socialist New Dealers hellbent on creating a "centrally planned economy." For our own good, of course. They WILL. NOT. STOP. EVER.
- Mrs. Wrecks is having trouble adjusting to retirement unlike myself who just got in touch with my inner sloth and it's all good. The local college has reduced rate courses for seniors so Mrs. Wrecks signed up for several including one on the constitution. She came home all excited about how the professor had told them how swell FDR's New Deal was. Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, OMGWTFBBQ! at October 26, 2025 09:38 AM (L/fGl) 62
Perfessor, welcome back!
I too got Larry Correia's Academy of Outcast. I enjoyed it. One problem, the second book isn't out until next May! I also want him to put out another MHI book. Posted by: lin-duh is offended at October 26, 2025 09:38 AM (VCgbV) 63
Been thinking a bit about the so-many-books-so-little-time issue, especially in connection with my seeming inability to sit down with a series or the works of a single writer and go straight through from beginning to end. Didn't used to have this problem. In grade and most of high school, I'd grab a stack from the library, finish 'em, and get the next stack.
Now, I have a couple of thousand books on hand, some print but mostly Kindle, and I've become the kid in the candy store who can't decide what to devour next. Have most recently read several Nabokovs and a few Simenons. Am I plowing straight through? No -- the impulse to revisit Fitzgerald and Hemingway has popped up over the last few days. Am I the only one here who does this? Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 26, 2025 09:38 AM (q3u5l) 64
Ooooooooops Big error on my part. Hill's book is not "King Pain" but rather, "King Sorrow" Excuse me for thinking of the Police on a Book Thread! Posted by: naturalfake at October 26, 2025 09:38 AM (iJfKG) Posted by: Weak Geek at October 26, 2025 09:39 AM (p/isN) 66
I don't think I sent that pic. Must have been a different fd.
Posted by: fd at October 26, 2025 09:41 AM (vFG9F) 67
The Other Log of Phileas Fogg is presented as the true story that happened behind and between the scenes of the Verne novel. It’s a rip snorting adventure and I loved it when it was published in 1973.
Posted by: Danfan That sounds intriguing, thanks. Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 26, 2025 09:41 AM (0U5gm) 68
46 Huh. Drop downs. I never saw that on this bunker-oil fueled website before. Neat.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice -- He has returned with mysterious technology... clearly Perfesser was abducted by alienzz Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at October 26, 2025 09:41 AM (WL2lA) Posted by: Weak Geek at October 26, 2025 09:42 AM (p/isN) 70
Recently read Douglas Murray's latest, On Democracies And Death Cults. His "on the ground report" as they say, on the aftermath of 7/10. In Israel he went everywhere, to the destroyed kibbutzes, to hospitals, morgues, talked to top officials, survivors, and captured terrorists. Went to Gaza and saw the spot where Sinwar got whacked. Blood still there. I think he wanted to write the book for several reasons, one - to document , tell the truth, because he saw the instant denialism, and vile and vicious antisemitism rise across the world, and two - to answer a question , how can one, be it a nation, or an individual, fight a group that supposedly loves death. He answers it at the end. Several things stood out to me : 1)While in Cairo airport bookshop, he could not find a book to read, but Mein Kampf was readily available, 2) the only major Nazi that escaped and prospered in the open post Nuremberg was the Mufti of Jerusalem who allied with Hitler, and promised him annihilation of Jews in ME 3) that antisemitism is a means , rather than an end.
Posted by: runner at October 26, 2025 09:43 AM (g47mK) 71
I generally don't like swearing.
Posted by: lin-duh is offended at October 26, 2025 09:44 AM (VCgbV) 72
Comment: Funny how what's old is new again. We still seem to have a bunch of socialist New Dealers hellbent on creating a "centrally planned economy." For our own good, of course. They WILL. NOT. STOP. EVER.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, OMGWTFBBQ! at October 26, 2025 09:38 AM (L/fGl) --- An interesting development is that China just had a big confab with all the Party members (who weren't under arrest) and they have decided that their attempt at using market economics has failed and they need more central planning. Yeah, that's the ticket! Also, they need to be more of an autarky. Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 26, 2025 09:44 AM (ZOv7s) 73
Well there was also alois brunner who ran nassers missile program and trained the syrian police
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at October 26, 2025 09:45 AM (bXbFr) 74
naturalfake --
I kinda liked Joe Hill's early short story collection 20th Century Ghosts. Couldn't get into the novels at all, largely for the reasons you mentioned -- they seemed like not-quite-Stephen-King. Felt the same way about Peter Leonard's novels -- not-quite-Elmore-Leonard. Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 26, 2025 09:45 AM (q3u5l) 75
Excuse me for thinking of the Police on a Book Thread!
Posted by: naturalfake Wait, did you say the police are here on the book thread? Quick, everyone, beat it! Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 26, 2025 09:46 AM (0U5gm) Posted by: runner at October 26, 2025 09:47 AM (g47mK) 77
So a highlander 2 twist with fogg
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at October 26, 2025 09:48 AM (bXbFr) 78
Am I the only one here who does this?
Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 26, 2025 09:38 AM (q3u5l) No, you are not. It can be a crippling affliction. Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at October 26, 2025 09:48 AM (h7ZuX) 79
Wait, did you say the police are here on the book thread?
Quick, everyone, beat it! Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 26, 2025 09:46 AM (0U5gm) --- Obligatory: "Are you the police?" "No, ma'am, we're musicians." Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 26, 2025 09:48 AM (ZOv7s) 80
I kinda liked Joe Hill's early short story collection 20th Century Ghosts. Couldn't get into the novels at all, largely for the reasons you mentioned -- they seemed like not-quite-Stephen-King. Felt the same way about Peter Leonard's novels -- not-quite-Elmore-Leonard. Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 26, 2025 *** Which brings up the question: Has there ever been a first-rate writer who was the child of another first-rater? There was Dumas father and son, I guess, but any others? Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 09:48 AM (omVj0) 81
The Other Log of Phileas Fogg is presented as the true story that happened behind and between the scenes of the Verne novel. It’s a rip snorting adventure
- I thought this 30 minute YT about Victorian adventurer Richard Burton was interesting. The creator compares him to Flashman. https://is.gd/20EfAq Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, OMGWTFBBQ! at October 26, 2025 09:49 AM (L/fGl) 82
Is autarky an actual word?
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 26, 2025 09:50 AM (t/2Uw) 83
I think that the HBO series Deadwood averaged two swear words per line of dialog.
Posted by: toby928(c) has drink taken at October 26, 2025 09:50 AM (jc0TO) 84
Welcome back Perfessor.
Swearing in stories needs to be character-appropriate. I have characters that swear like a soldier or a street thug. But I don't like to make characters swear if they're background doesn't justify it. But...I prefer real swearing to made up words. I don't mind Jordan's 'Blood and ashes' as it actually makes sense in their world. Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at October 26, 2025 09:50 AM (xcxpd) 85
When I was a kid, I read an old paperback my father had lying around: See Here, Private Hargrove, a 1942 account of a North Carolina soldier's time in basic training. The dialogue for the drill sergeant included several instances of a strange word I had never heard before: "blankety-blank".
Posted by: Paco at October 26, 2025 09:50 AM (mADJX) 86
As I said last week about swearing and cursing in fantasy or science fiction: You can make up your own words. Once the reader gets the terms, which if you do it right should be possible from context, you can use them where appropriate. If you're writing about working- or peasant-class people, let's face it, they're gonna swear if you are making them sound realistic.
Upper-class people will too, but maybe more in private. Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 09:51 AM (omVj0) 87
The one measure that worked was total isolation.
This is an illuminating cautionary tale. I recommend it. Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 26, 2025 09:37 AM (u82oZ) --- We live in a time of almost unimaginable safety and security. Earlier generations just took death in stride because there wasn't much that could be done. The laptop class was fine with shutting down the economy indefinitely as they didn't like people anyway, but in 1919, that simply was not an option. It's like all the bogus studies claiming this or that reduces the risk of death. Sure it does. Evelyn Waugh's The Loved One is obligatory reading on the topic, because it shows that Americans were getting weirded out by death a long time ago. Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 26, 2025 09:52 AM (ZOv7s) Posted by: Quarter Twenty at October 26, 2025 09:53 AM (NYanP) 89
I don't think the US should have autarky - but we need to move sharply in that direction. While I don't think we should cease trade in anything, we absolutely must have certain indigenous industries sufficient to meet our needs in the coming storm. Food and energy shouldn't pose a problem. Steel, computer chips, medicine are a heavier lift.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 26, 2025 09:54 AM (BI5O2) 90
When I was a kid, I read an old paperback my father had lying around: See Here, Private Hargrove, a 1942 account of a North Carolina soldier's time in basic training. The dialogue for the drill sergeant included several instances of a strange word I had never heard before: "blankety-blank".
Posted by: Paco at October 26, 2025 *** Charles Portis's Mattie Ross, not one to use such vigorous terms herself, translates at least one of Rooster's curses in True Grit as "Something." It seemed odd to me when I first read it -- but looking back, I see what he was having Mattie do. Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 09:54 AM (omVj0) 91
Is autarky an actual word?
Posted by: Sharon If not, it oughta be. Posted by: Quarter Twenty at October 26, 2025 *** I've seen it on occasion. I suspect the original was "autarchy," which didn't look right. Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 09:55 AM (omVj0) 92
I think that the HBO series Deadwood averaged two swear words per line of dialog.
Posted by: toby928(c) has drink taken With frequent references to chicken sucking. Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, OMGWTFBBQ! at October 26, 2025 09:55 AM (L/fGl) 93
Is autarky an actual word?
Posted by: Sharon I've heard it before. Autarchy. As in Stalin tried to build an autarchy. Posted by: runner at October 26, 2025 09:55 AM (g47mK) 94
We are spirts in the material world
Posted by: Skip at October 26, 2025 09:56 AM (+qU29) 95
Wiki sez: "Lexico, whose content is provided by the same publisher as that of the Oxford English Dictionary, says that autarky is a variant spelling of and pronounced the same as autarchy and that autarchy is another term for autocracy."
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 09:56 AM (omVj0) Posted by: The Berne at October 26, 2025 09:56 AM (NYanP) 97
We are spirts in the material world
Posted by: Skip at October 26, 2025 09:56 AM and so we dance. Posted by: toby928(c) has drink taken at October 26, 2025 09:56 AM (jc0TO) 98
I'm still on Charles Dickens, reading-wise. I'm on Nicholas Nickleby, which I mostly enjoy. By this point I'm starting to recognize the 'types' that Dickens puts into his stories. Moneylenders come up a LOT, surprisingly.
Still...good stuff. I don't like/buy Nicholas suddenly falling in love with a girl he's seen twice. Guys do see and become obsessed with girls, that is true, but it's always creepy. Some of the bad guy's comeuppance is the result of blind luck and co-incidence, which I don't like. I prefer the bad guy is defeated by their own actions or by the competence of the good guy. Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at October 26, 2025 09:56 AM (xcxpd) 99
Autarchy and autarky are similar-sounding but distinct terms. Autarky refers to economic self-sufficiency, where a nation avoids international trade to be self-reliant. Autarchy more commonly means a government with a single, absolute ruler (a synonym for autocracy), though it is sometimes used to mean self-governance, or in place of autarky. The key difference lies in autarky's focus on economic independence and autarchy's focus on political rule.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 26, 2025 09:56 AM (Riz8t) 100
Wolfus at 80
Can't think of any myself. Joe Hill is working SK's corner. Peter Leonard (at least early on -- don't know what he's up to lately) seemed to be working EL's corner. Trent Zelazny did some fantasy and sf, but mostly worked on suspense and noir stories, and I kinda liked what I read of his work. Owen King I haven't followed, but mostly he doesn't seem to be trying to do SK-type novels; can't say about his stuff. Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 26, 2025 09:56 AM (q3u5l) 101
Perfessor Squirrel is back? This is nuts!
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at October 26, 2025 09:56 AM (N03yu) 102
Which brings up the question: Has there ever been a first-rate writer who was the child of another first-rater? There was Dumas father and son, I guess, but any others?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 09:48 AM (omVj0) --- Alexander Waugh's Fathers and Sons: The Autobiography of a Family documents the literary lineage of the Waugh family, which produced four generations of writers. Evelyn's father was primarily an editor, but both Alec and Evelyn went on to literary success (albeit in very different genres). Auberon Waugh had a successful career as a journalist and Alexander (the author) is his son. Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 26, 2025 09:57 AM (ZOv7s) 103
Welcome back, Perfessor! You look well rested, bright-eyed, and bushy-tailed.
Posted by: All Hail Eris,, coming to you live from the Roller Disco of Discord! at October 26, 2025 09:57 AM (kpS4V) 104
80 Maybe Robert and Peter Benchley.
Posted by: Norrin Radd, sojourner of the spaceways at October 26, 2025 09:58 AM (tRYqg) 105
au·tar·ky
/ˈôˌtärkē/ noun economic independence or self-sufficiency. "rural community autarchy is a Utopian dream" a country, state, or society which is economically independent. Wow. A word I had never heard before. Thank you book thread. Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 26, 2025 09:58 AM (t/2Uw) 106
92 I think that the HBO series Deadwood averaged two swear words per line of dialog.
Posted by: toby928(c) has drink taken With frequent references to chicken sucking. Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, OMGWTFBBQ! at October 26, 2025 09:55 AM (L/fGl) MAGNIFICENT profanity in Deadwood. Like Chavez the Hugo levels of poetry. Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at October 26, 2025 09:58 AM (xcxpd) 107
. I suspect the original was "autarchy," which didn't look right.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 09:55 AM (omVj0) Nope. Different derivation, and also does not refer to any specific political system. From Greek - autarkeia - self-sufficiency. Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 26, 2025 09:58 AM (BI5O2) 108
Maybe Robert and Peter Benchley.
Posted by: Norrin Radd, sojourner of the spaceways at October 26, 2025 *** I think they were uncle and nephew, but good suggestion. Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 10:00 AM (omVj0) 109
Wow. A word I had never heard before. Thank you book thread.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 26, 2025 09:58 AM (t/2Uw) YD commands an impressive vocabulary. Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at October 26, 2025 10:00 AM (h7ZuX) 110
81 The Other Log of Phileas Fogg is presented as the true story that happened behind and between the scenes of the Verne novel. It’s a rip snorting adventure
- I thought this 30 minute YT about Victorian adventurer Richard Burton was interesting. The creator compares him to Flashman. https://is.gd/20EfAq Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, OMGWTFBBQ! at October 26, 2025 09:49 AM (L/fGl) Kinda backwards. Flashman was based on the real adventures, carnal and otherwise, of Richard Burton. Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at October 26, 2025 10:00 AM (xcxpd) 111
Lexico, whose content is provided by the same publisher as that of the Oxford English Dictionary, says that autarky is a variant spelling of and pronounced the same as autarchy and that autarchy is another term for autocracy."
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 09:56 AM (omVj0) Well, Lexico is wrong, then. Completely different word and meaning. Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 26, 2025 10:00 AM (BI5O2) 112
Back in junior high, I did a book report on WWII cartoonist Bill Mauldin's autobiography A Life Up Front (which I quite enjoyed). He describes his father's colorful language while changing a tire in the rain as blankety blank.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, OMGWTFBBQ! at October 26, 2025 10:01 AM (L/fGl) 113
Wow. A word I had never heard before. Thank you book thread.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 26, 2025 09:58 AM (t/2Uw) --- It's just another of the services we provide. Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 26, 2025 10:02 AM (ZOv7s) 114
Welcome back, Perf!
Yesterday I learned that there is no book so stupid I won't consider buying it. Over at kickstarter, a small comic publisher is taking pre-orders for "Yor; Hunter From the Future." It's an old Argentinian comic book that was...a whole bunch of sci-fi and fantasy tropes, thrown together in a blender. It's being translated and republished because it inspired a movie (Again, titled Yor: Hunter From the Future) that starred Reb Brown and was absolutely terrible. So terrible, in fact, that it has appeared on Red Letter Media's 'Best of the Worst' series, on RiffTrax, and on a multitude of other lets-watch-bad-movies channels... I'm expecting the comic to be cooler than the movie. At the very least, it shouldn't be hampered by wooden acting, nor by the character turning into action figures (yes, really) during big action scenes. Posted by: Castle Guy at October 26, 2025 10:02 AM (Lhaco) 115
Good morning Perfessor! I am currently reading a nonfiction book, but the two prior books were fiction. Both of them had a fair amount of swearing. I find it gratuitous—as if the author can’t come up with anything better. I’m reminded of Alfred Hitchcock mentioning once that before the change in what was allowed in movies, the director had to present a scene which the viewer could interpret as he deemed correct (either mundane or super risqué
Posted by: QED Texan Grandpa-to-be at October 26, 2025 10:02 AM (fveCG) 116
JSG, your situation is common for me. I have bought so many books in the past few years that I usually never know what to read next. I switch around the genres that I have.
I kept to my resolution this year not to use the library, and I will severely restrict book purchases next year. Not an outright prohibition --- I've just learned that a 1950s comic strip of which I've become a fan (through a Facebook group) has two hardback collections, but their prices on eBay are up there. As of now, that will be it for next year. Posted by: Weak Geek at October 26, 2025 10:02 AM (p/isN) 117
Funny, I designed and built five bookshelves that look a lot like those in the background of the squirrel picture. They are long past full, and several more purchased shelves have supplemented them. Don't tell Ace, lest he recruit me for assistance.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 26, 2025 10:03 AM (0U5gm) 118
Flashman was based on the real adventures, carnal and otherwise, of Richard Burton.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo This is the book thread so I should mention that among his accomplishments was translating the Kama Sutra into English. 9 Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, OMGWTFBBQ! at October 26, 2025 10:04 AM (L/fGl) 119
North Korea is an autarky and an autarchy.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 26, 2025 10:04 AM (A0sqA) 120
Thanks to Weasel for keeping this thread afloat,
and welcome back Captain Squirrel! Tis a good day indeed! Posted by: The Grateful at October 26, 2025 10:06 AM (IQ6Gq) 121
Funny, I designed and built five bookshelves that look a lot like those in the background of the squirrel picture. They are long past full, and several more purchased shelves have supplemented them. Don't tell Ace, lest he recruit me for assistance.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 26, 2025 10:03 AM (0U5gm) --- Back in June I bought two huge bookcases at an estate sale. For many years I tried to hold the line against more book storage, and I did pretty well using the "one in, one out" system but writing Long Live Death and especially Walls of Men totally broke it. So I needed more space. This weekend I started the laborious process of reorganizing the collection to take advantage of the vast height of the shelves - no trade paperbacks need apply! It's fun to go through everything, and I may do a little additional culling, but I think it more likely that I will revisit old titles. Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 26, 2025 10:06 AM (ZOv7s) 122
I used to think "arcology" was derived from the -arkeia suffix. But it's not - it's just a dumb made up word to mean "architecture ecology." Not sure when it was coined but it reeks of the 1970s to me.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 26, 2025 10:06 AM (BI5O2) 123
Which brings up the question: Has there ever been a first-rate writer who was the child of another first-rater? There was Dumas father and son, I guess, but any others?
Martin Amis, son of Kingsley? I've not read either of them but they're successful enough that I knew their names off the top of my head. Posted by: Oddbob at October 26, 2025 10:07 AM (3nLb4) 124
Which brings up the question: Has there ever been a first-rate writer who was the child of another first-rater? There was Dumas father and son, I guess, but any others?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Well, Ada Lovelace wrote some algorithms, computer programs..., and a sonnet...does that count? Posted by: runner at October 26, 2025 10:07 AM (g47mK) 125
Meet the new President of Ireland.
"Both sides have committed war crimes," she said of Israel and Hamas in September. "[Hamas] were elected by the people the last time there was an election. Overwhelming support for them back in 2006 or 2007. They are part of the civil society of Palestine. We're reliant on them for figures in relation to the deaths." She also said that Israel was acting like a "terrorist state' and that she had "utterly condemned" Hamas "over and over." ==== Sad. Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 26, 2025 10:08 AM (A0sqA) 126
Swearing in fiction, or film, is a lot like dialect -- a little goes a long way. Someone may drop an f-bomb into every other sentence in real life, but if you present that character doing the same thing in fiction or film it's excessive and should be cut drastically.
That said, we should bow our heads in honor of Darren McGavin in A Christmas Story, whose stream of unintelligible profanity while battling with flat tires or furnaces shall forever be an inspiration to us all. Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 26, 2025 10:08 AM (q3u5l) 127
Last weekend I finished up reading the 3 custom-bound hardcover comic books I had commissioned. It was a grand total of 60 comics, about 15 of which I had never read before. Even though it was mostly re-reading, it was fun. Indeed, the whole point in turning them into hardcovers was because they were worth re-reading, and this made that easier. And because that project was so successful, I just sent off 4 more stacks of comics to the same bindery! So, in a couple months, I'll get to do the same thing over again, this time with 84 issues.
Of course, when the custom bound books came in, I pretty much paused all my other comic reading. So then I had to go back and figure out what I had been doing. Apparently I was reading a Wolverine Omnibus (where I had paused mid-story), I had a Witchblade collection that I hadn't yet started, and then there was some comic about a Northwest Passage.... Posted by: Castle Guy at October 26, 2025 10:08 AM (Lhaco) 128
118 Flashman was based on the real adventures, carnal and otherwise, of Richard Burton.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo This is the book thread so I should mention that among his accomplishments was translating the Kama Sutra into English. 9 Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, OMGWTFBBQ! at October 26, 2025 10:04 AM (L/fGl) It was illustrated too. Notoriously detailed. Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at October 26, 2025 10:08 AM (xcxpd) 129
119 North Korea is an autarky and an autarchy.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 26, 2025 10:04 AM (A0sqA) Yes. Before the West forced trade on China it was much the same, and I suspect that might be the source of the Communists' heartburn about this. Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 26, 2025 10:08 AM (BI5O2) 130
Library book sale impulse purchase season is here! I bought a one-volume collection of four novels of Charles Dickens, which I later saw were "Condensed for the Modern Reader" (c. 1943). Well, I only paid a Buck, it has nice illustrations, and Dickens was a penny-a-liner anyway so maybe it works. David Copperfield, Pickwick Papers, Oliver Twist, and Martin Chuzzlewit (blecch).
I sometimes rag on Dickens, but looking at a cavalcade of characters illustrated -- Mr. McCawber, Uriah Heep, the Artful Dodger, Scrooge, the Fezziwigs -- you know exactly who these are because the stories have had such an impact. It's been a good long while since I read "David Copperfield", but so far I can't tell the difference with this streamlined version, Posted by: All Hail Eris,, coming to you live from the Roller Disco of Discord! at October 26, 2025 10:09 AM (kpS4V) 131
They are part of the civil society of Palestine.
- You know, the same way Jack the Ripper was a part of the civil society of Victorian England. Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, OMGWTFBBQ! at October 26, 2025 10:11 AM (L/fGl) 132
North Korea is an autarky and an autarchy.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 26, 2025 10:04 AM (A0sqA) --- It tries to be an autarky, but lacks the resources to do so, particularly oil. It sells arms and labor to raise foreign exchange. China cannot feed itself, and also cannot innovate - a common problem with totalitarian states. The same free inquiry that leads to political controversy is essential to pushing the boundary of technology. The decision to revert to a Maoist strategy is doomed but also inevitable because market economics does have a liberalizing effect because price discovery requires open communication. This is however not compatible with the Communist Party's goals (which are also heavily nationalistic). So the snake will eat its tail at a faster rate, I guess. Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 26, 2025 10:11 AM (ZOv7s) 133
The one moment I remember in 'Yor, the Hunter from the Future" is when Yor had escaped from a bunch of cavemen who had just kicked his ass, but then he caught a pterodactyl and used it as a hang glider so he could go back and rescue the girl.
Posted by: Toad-0 at October 26, 2025 10:11 AM (dfqgK) 134
"rural community autarchy is a Utopian dream"
a country, state, or society which is economically independent. Wow. A word I had never heard before. Thank you book thread. Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) I’d like to see the urban areas live their utopian dream without the rural areas providing food. Rural areas can survive just fine without the cities. Posted by: QED Texan Grandpa-to-be at October 26, 2025 10:12 AM (fveCG) 135
I used to think "arcology" was derived from the -arkeia suffix. But it's not - it's just a dumb made up word to mean "architecture ecology." Not sure when it was coined but it reeks of the 1970s to me.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 26, 2025 10:06 AM (BI5O2) ==== I remember a novel about an extremely large, city-sized, self-contained building named an "arcology" but my memory is no good now. Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 26, 2025 10:12 AM (A0sqA) 136
I used to think "arcology" was derived from the -arkeia suffix. But it's not - it's just a dumb made up word to mean "architecture ecology." Not sure when it was coined but it reeks of the 1970s to me.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 26, 2025 *** Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle had a 1970s SF novel called Oath of Fealty about an arcology: "In the near future, Los Angeles is an all but uninhabitable war zone, wracked by crime, violence, pollution and poverty. But above the blighted city, a Utopia has arisen: Todos Santos, a thousand-foot high single-structured city, designed to use state-of-the-art technology to create a completely human-friendly environment, offering its dwellers everything they could want in exchange for their oath of allegiance and their constant surveillance. But there are those who want to see the utopia destroyed, whose answer to tomorrow''s best and brightest hope is mindless violence. And they have just entered Todos Santos." Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 10:12 AM (omVj0) 137
I have started giving up on some books. Books that describe graphic murders or tortures. Books whee the topic is just so depressing you don't care if the character escapes his/her fate.
One such is Kelley Armstrong's Every Step She Takes. In the very beginning of the book, the main character is being framed for a crime in such a way that there seems to be no way out. It was depressing. Bye bye. Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 26, 2025 10:12 AM (t/2Uw) 138
And I'm enthralled by this book on the Bayeux Tapestry by David M. Wilson.
When I go to my reward, I want some crafty Horde chica to embroider a linen piece with me in a Viking boat lying on a bier of sleazy paperbacks, a flaming arrow arcing toward my brandy-soaked corpse, with ERIS DEFUNCTUS EST. Posted by: All Hail Eris,, coming to you live from the Roller Disco of Discord! at October 26, 2025 10:13 AM (kpS4V) 139
I remember a novel about an extremely large, city-sized, self-contained building named an "arcology" but my memory is no good now.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 26, 2025 *** San Franpsycho, see my 136. Is that the one you were thinking of? Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 10:13 AM (omVj0) 140
Man, the top stories in my Alphabet Corporation Hatefeed every day for a week now have been about THE BALLROOM!!!!
They are really, really trying to make fetch happen, here. I think they think if they can't get it together and accept the King's terms before SNAP comes up short, they can blame the breadline riots on the ballroom. Sorry, it won't cut any ice. Happy Halloween, losers! Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 26, 2025 10:13 AM (BI5O2) 141
Also finished Science and Government by C. P. Snow.
The book is a short print of a lecture Snow gave at Harvard, when that meant something. Snow, of Two Cultures fame, outlines the feud and consequences of conflict between Tizard and Lindemann before and during WWII. Tizard was responsible for the development and installation of Radar in time to protect Great Britain in WWII. He had many strengths as a military scientist, including being right about the future failure of Bomber Command strategy. . Lindemann was also a scientist, very interested in gadgets and other bad ideas. He hindered and sidelined Tizard during WWII. His source of power was his strong friendship with Churchill. He was responsible for Bomber Command killing a large number of superior Commonwealth subjects in WWII, to little overall effect. C.P. Snow exposes how vital decisions were made in secret and sometimes with little regard to truth or the prevailing scientific consensus. Hs succinct analysis of how real decisions are made is first rate. I recommend this book highly. Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 26, 2025 10:14 AM (u82oZ) 142
I write science fiction set in the distant future, and I've had struggles with what to use as "bad language" in that setting, especially when major characters are Digital Intelligences or non-humans of one kind or another. I ruled out sexual profanity, I ruled out religious-derived profanity -- and I desperately wanted to avoid "science fictiony" oaths and curses. No "by Klono's carballoy claws!" or "Tanj" or any of that. It mostly leaves me with references to dirt and filth, and insults to intelligence.
Posted by: Trimegistus at October 26, 2025 10:14 AM (78a2H) 143
137 I have started giving up on some books. Books that describe graphic murders or tortures. Books whee the topic is just so depressing you don't care if the character escapes his/her fate.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 26, 2025 10:12 AM (t/2Uw) Life is short, and there are lots of books. I have no problem abandoning a book that doesn't appeal to me. Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at October 26, 2025 10:14 AM (h7ZuX) 144
That statement by the irish president really belongs in fiction
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at October 26, 2025 10:15 AM (bXbFr) 145
108 Wikipedia says Robert Benchley was Peter's grandfather.
Posted by: Norrin Radd, sojourner of the spaceways at October 26, 2025 10:15 AM (tRYqg) 146
I read Lone Wolf by Gregg Hurwitz. This is the nineth book in the Orphan X series. Evan Smoak's next mission begins by agreeing to find a lost dog for his niece. Soon he is involved with tech billionaires who want to rule the world and with a female assassin, not connected with the Orphan program, whose skills are almost equal to X's. The key operative word is "almost". An interesting, exciting story which give a lot of insights on how AI is used to control us.
Posted by: Zoltan at October 26, 2025 10:15 AM (VOrDg) 147
Good seeing you here again and good meeting you at the TX MoMe again! Greetings from a dark and dismally foggy TX Panhandle...
Posted by: Cow Demon at October 26, 2025 10:15 AM (vwL3N) 148
I've been thinking about the father/son writer question and apart from Joe Hill, I can't think of any good examples. There are bad ones galore, looking at you Brian Herbert, but I think the son is not the father. Which is true in all walks of life, not just writing.
Alexander the Great is one of the big exceptions and is another reason he shines out so uniquely. Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at October 26, 2025 10:16 AM (xcxpd) 149
I think the city the Saudis are building is designed to be an arcology.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 26, 2025 10:16 AM (t/2Uw) 150
Thanks, Just Some Guy for your opinion. I've never read the guy mysself and wanted to get an idea if I was in for a good experience or not. Posted by: naturalfake at October 26, 2025 10:16 AM (iJfKG) 151
Thanks for the Book Thread, Perfessor!
So nice to have you back! And thanks to Weasel for filling in during the interim. I'm re-reading Alexander Hamilton, A Biography by Forrest McDonald. Glad I decided to take another look at this fascinating history because I'm seeing it from a different angle this time. Posted by: Legally Sufficient at October 26, 2025 10:16 AM (kB9dk) 152
149 I think the city the Saudis are building is designed to be an arcology.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 26, 2025 10:16 AM (t/2Uw) The Darco from SimCity2000, that is. Posted by: Cow Demon at October 26, 2025 10:17 AM (vwL3N) 153
One such is Kelley Armstrong's Every Step She Takes. In the very beginning of the book, the main character is being framed for a crime in such a way that there seems to be no way out. It was depressing. Bye bye.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 26, 2025 *** A.E.W. Mason's At the Villa Rose, pre-WWI, has the local police building a case of murder against a young woman. It looks airtight . . . until Inspector Hanaud shows up. A textbook example of how you can turn an impossible situation around. Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 10:17 AM (omVj0) 154
I'm re-reading Alexander Hamilton, A Biography by Forrest McDonald. Glad I decided to take another look at this fascinating history because I'm seeing it from a different angle this time.
Posted by: Legally Sufficient at October 26, 2025 10:16 AM (kB9dk) I have an Alexander Hamilton bio by William Sterne Randall on my shelf. Posted by: Cow Demon at October 26, 2025 10:18 AM (vwL3N) 155
"rural community autarchy is a Utopian dream"
a country, state, or society which is economically independent. - I suppose it beats an anarcho-syndicalist commune. Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 26, 2025 10:18 AM (0U5gm) 156
Neom yes thats it
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at October 26, 2025 10:18 AM (bXbFr) 157
Good morning Book Horde. Since this is spooky season, I have something horrible for you. I recently picked up a lot of Weird Tales magazines off eBay and realized that I already have a few of them in my collection. They're free to a good home, just pay for the shipping. The issues are 308, 332, Winter 1992/93, Spring 1993 and Summer 1993. If anyone is interested, let me know.
Posted by: Josephistan at October 26, 2025 10:19 AM (FLx59) 158
That said, we should bow our heads in honor of Darren McGavin in A Christmas Story, whose stream of unintelligible profanity while battling with flat tires or furnaces shall forever be an inspiration to us all.
Posted by: Just Some Guy Good morning good people. 'Mundane noodle' should be in everyone's list of expletives. We all should work in profanity the way other artists might work in oils or clay. It is our true medium,. Posted by: Tonypete at October 26, 2025 10:19 AM (cYBz/) 159
Niven & Pournelle's Oath of Fealty is remembered mostly for its repeated slogan, "Think of it as evolution in action."
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 10:19 AM (omVj0) 160
Yes. Before the West forced trade on China it was much the same, and I suspect that might be the source of the Communists' heartburn about this.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 26, 2025 10:08 AM (BI5O2) --- The West opened Japan, but China always valued foreign trade. The problem was that the Qing (Ch'ing) Dynasty was in an advanced state of decay when Western technology took off, which created the famous unequal treaties. The Qing ultimately fell to an internal threat, and that is what chiefly concerns the CCP. It has always been the case. I'm watching a lot of videos these days covering China and am pleased that Walls of Men is holding up, especially the questions about military capability. Firing all the generals for even more dedicated boot-lickers has never been a successful strategy for battlefield success, but it does keep the primary threat at bay. Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 26, 2025 10:19 AM (ZOv7s) 161
Google says autarky is economic self sufficiency.
Antisemitism is the easiest genocide to dope people with. Once they commit to that, all the others are easy. Wife spoke her niece in Kingston yesterday and Melissa never came up. My brother’s cruise trip stopped in Falmouth on the north west coast Friday which makes sense. Posted by: Accomack at October 26, 2025 10:19 AM (Dpv2s) 162
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 10:12 AM (omVj0)
*fistbump* That's the one. Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 26, 2025 10:20 AM (A0sqA) 163
Re Joe Hill
My own reaction was that he's working Stephen King's corner but not quite as well as King works it. My brother, who was and maybe still is a big King fan, says Joe Hill's really good as well. So maybe I'm just missing something. Lord knows it wouldn't be the first time. Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 26, 2025 10:20 AM (q3u5l) 164
This is just lovely! It's a fountain in Budapest, carved like a book. A sheet of water, that looks like a page being turned, comes up at intervals
https://tinyurl.com/mu4a4rrp Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 26, 2025 10:20 AM (kUxzU) 165
"It tries to be an autarky, but lacks the resources to do so, particularly oil. It sells arms and labor to raise foreign exchange."
Arms, drugs, counterfeit $100s. Kinda hard to be an autarky when you cannot even feed your people. Posted by: Cow Demon at October 26, 2025 10:20 AM (vwL3N) 166
FYI Perfesser
Islington has finally written the second book in The Hierarchy series The Strength of the Few. The first book was highly recommended here and really liked it but found out it had just been published so no second book on the horizon. Had to have been several years ago. Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 26, 2025 10:21 AM (t/2Uw) 167
In traditional novel-reading, I'm cruising through the old Dragonlance novel "Dragons of Winter's Night." I'm enjoying it, though there is a story tic or two that I find annoying. Namely, the book has a habit of picking up a narrative after time-skipping over a quest.
The book is a sequel (book 2 of 3) and the story picks up in the aftermath of a major quest...but not the quest that ended book 1. I had to stop reading and make sure I was reading the series in the proper order. But, I was, there was just a quest that happened off-screen. Pity, I might have wanted to read that.... Then within the book itself, the cast gets split in half, and we follow one half for a while. Eventually we jump back to the other set of characters, as they are dealing with the aftermath of another major quest that we didn't get to see! Not something that makes me put down the book, but enough to make me grunt in exasperation while reading. Posted by: Castle Guy at October 26, 2025 10:21 AM (Lhaco) 168
"Good" authors are in the eye of the beholder, but a lot of comic strips had Sonny Boy take over for the Old Man. Examples: "Blondie," "Beetle Bailey," "Hagar the Horrible," "The Born Loser," "Prince Valiant" (not Hal Foster, the guys who followed him -- John Murphy and John Cullen Murphy).
Posted by: Weak Geek at October 26, 2025 10:22 AM (p/isN) Posted by: Toad-0 at October 26, 2025 10:22 AM (dfqgK) 170
I'm pretty sure "Arcology" was coined by the "visionary" (=lefty hippy woo-woo) architect Paolo Soleri. I think he came up with it in the Sixties or maybe earlier, but it definitely hit public consciousness in the 1970s.
Like a lot of visionary architects, Soleri was a great draftsman and sculptor but never got many projects off the ground. He had a compound somewhere in the Southwest called Arcosanti where he and various acolytes (mostly lefty hippy woo-woo architecture students) were trying to build an arcology out of rocks and handmade bricks. I don't know if it exists any more. Posted by: Trimegistus at October 26, 2025 10:24 AM (78a2H) 171
42 Taking longer than I thought to finish "Game Without Rules." I'm enjoying the stories, but I don't know that I'll reread them.
Posted by: Weak Geek at October 26, 2025 09:18 AM (p/isN) I've been reading this, too. I read the first two stories before my week got stressful and I couldn't concentrate. I do enjoy how Calder and Behrens seem so casual about their secret work. Then come home and have a cup of tea as though nothing happenend. Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at October 26, 2025 09:28 AM (h7ZuX) ________ People get rid of books? I'm having trouble with that concept. Gilbert is one whom I regularly rereads. IMO, the best post WWII mystery writer. Posted by: Eeyore (Is, Eum) at October 26, 2025 10:24 AM (s0JqF) 172
163 Re Joe Hill
My own reaction was that he's working Stephen King's corner but not quite as well as King works it. My brother, who was and maybe still is a big King fan, says Joe Hill's really good as well. So maybe I'm just missing something. Lord knows it wouldn't be the first time. Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 26, 2025 10:20 AM (q3u5l) He's better at endings, not perfect but better than King. Which is a low bar to clear Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at October 26, 2025 10:25 AM (xcxpd) 173
Nature is healing. Good to have you back Perfessor.
Has anyone read "Taking Religion Seriously" by Charles Murray? New book. Murray is the gent that co-authored The Bell Curve. The book is his personal evolution toward the idea of God in general and Christianity in particular. He argues that religion is something that can be approached as an intellectual exercise. Could be interesting. Posted by: TRex - theologian dino at October 26, 2025 10:25 AM (IQ6Gq) 174
One seemingly out of place segment of the Bayeux Tapestry has "a certain cleric" slapping or grabbing a woman named Aelfgyva ("Elf Gift", back when names were cool and Tolkienesque). On the border directly below is a very naked little man.
There's no explanation because everybody at the time knew to what this was referring. Current historians haven't a clew. Medieval gossip immortalized in embroidery! Posted by: All Hail Eris,, coming to you live from the Roller Disco of Discord! at October 26, 2025 10:25 AM (kpS4V) 175
An ark would have to have had a large poop deck.
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 26, 2025 10:26 AM (BBIP1) 176
This is just lovely! It's a fountain in Budapest, carved like a book. A sheet of water, that looks like a page being turned, comes up at intervals
https://tinyurl.com/mu4a4rrp Posted by: Notsothoreau Cool. Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, OMGWTFBBQ! at October 26, 2025 10:27 AM (L/fGl) 177
An interesting, exciting story which give a lot of insights on how AI is used to control us.
Posted by: Zoltan at October 26, 2025 10:15 AM (VOrDg) That was a good one. I recently finished Nemesis in the same series. I like how Evan Smoak's character is transforming from a stone cold, emotionless killer into a person who is learning empathy and analyzing the nuances of human interaction. He starts to question the righteousness (or not) of his actions. It adds texture to what could be a one-dimensional character. Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at October 26, 2025 10:27 AM (h7ZuX) 178
In an essay on Fredric Brown, Barry Malzberg said that Brown had once offered to teach his (Brown's) son everything he knew about writing fiction, an offer that Brown's son declined. Malzberg said, IIRC, "wisely declined." Malzberg had such a wonderfully upbeat view of the writing/publishing game.
Think I'd have liked to see what Brown's son might have come up with. Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 26, 2025 10:27 AM (q3u5l) 179
I've seen it on occasion. I suspect the original was "autarchy," which didn't look right.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 09:55 AM (omVj0) Isn't the word autocracy? Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 26, 2025 10:27 AM (g8Ew8) 180
I'd completely forgotten that we are on countdown to Halloween! IN recent years my All Hallows' tradition has been to reread several standouts from the "Alfred Hitchcock" anthologies of the Forties through the Sixties. "The Cocoon" by John B.L. Goodwin, "The Damned Thing" by Ambrose Bierce, "Oh, Whistle, and I'll Come to You, My Lad" by M.R. James top the list. There are plenty of others, like "The Idol of the Flies" by one Jane Rice.
Also several of Stephen King's early stories: "Trucks," "Battleground," and "The Boogeyman." The first is apocalyptic SF, the second a sort of logical fantasy, and the third is straight-out creeptime. And Thomas M. Disch produced a first-rate horror fantasy in The M.D.: A Horror Story in 1991. Grand stuff: "Given the power to heal or to harm by the Roman god Mercury through a magical staff, the caduceus, young Billy Michaels embarks on a lifelong journey of inflicting good and evil on those who cross his path." Apparently it was part of a "Supernatural Minnesota" series. Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 10:27 AM (omVj0) 181
Which brings up the question: Has there ever been a first-rate writer who was the child of another first-rater? There was Dumas father and son, I guess, but any others?
Martin Amis, son of Kingsley? I've not read either of them but they're successful enough that I knew their names off the top of my head. Posted by: Oddbob at October 26, 2025 10:07 AM (3nLb4) Kingsley Amis is one of my favorite writers of all time. I rank him as being in the same neighborhood as Evelyn Waugh, Graham Greene, and PG Wodehouse. He writes both laugh out loud comedies as well as serious novels. Anthony Burgess ranked two(!) of his novels, "Lucky Jim" (comedy) and "The Anti-Death League" (Serious) as being two of the best 99 novels in English in the 20th Century. He's been more or less shadow-banned in recent years because 10 he was very anti-Communist and 2) he often deals in the "battle of the sexes" from a male perspective. I find Martin Amis to be a bore. A clever bore but a huge bore nonetheless. There's no denying that he's now the popular Amis though. Give Kingsley Amis a read. He's always well worth your time. Posted by: naturalfake at October 26, 2025 10:27 AM (iJfKG) 182
Well, time to go to Mass. Thanks again, Perfesser and welcome back!
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 26, 2025 10:27 AM (ZOv7s) 183
I noticed during a recent trip to the book store that Jim Butcher's son is writing as James J. Butcher. Quality of writing: TBD.
Posted by: Oddbob at October 26, 2025 10:28 AM (3nLb4) 184
Only Stephen King book I ever read was Running Man and I didn't know it was as a King book at the time.
I don't read horror genre. Posted by: the way I see it at October 26, 2025 10:30 AM (EYmYM) 185
The book is his personal evolution toward the idea of God in general and Christianity in particular. He argues that religion is something that can be approached as an intellectual exercise.
Could be interesting. Posted by: TRex I have been noticing quite a bit of this lately. Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Douglas Murray, and others are noticing that a civil society cannot function properly unless there is a grounding in religion, specifically Judeo-Christian. Some admit this, and others, like Ali, are converting. Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 26, 2025 10:30 AM (0U5gm) 186
89 I don't think the US should have autarky - but we need to move sharply in that direction. While I don't think we should cease trade in anything, we absolutely must have certain indigenous industries sufficient to meet our needs in the coming storm. Food and energy shouldn't pose a problem. Steel, computer chips, medicine are a heavier lift.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 26, 2025 09:54 AM (BI5O2) I don't fear the Outside World like so many others here. I see danger in the Outside World but also opportunity. But in a vast country of 330 million people, we can and should do a little of everything. (Many here believe we should do absolutely nothing but manufacturing and government. I like manufacturing - and transportation, and ag, and services, and much more besides). We don't need to veer into autarky but we need to get the government the hell out of the way so that we can, and will, have a society where people can do whatever the hell they want as long as they do not trample on the rights and lives of others. Posted by: Cow Demon at October 26, 2025 10:30 AM (vwL3N) 187
And FWIW, I don't consider Jim Butcher a great writer but I've read a lot of this stuff because he's a great story teller.
Posted by: Oddbob at October 26, 2025 10:31 AM (3nLb4) 188
It always amused me that Joe used the last name Hill so people wouldn't know Stephen King was his father, when he's the spitting image of him.
Posted by: Jordan61 at October 26, 2025 10:31 AM (Pek1+) 189
Only Stephen King book I ever read was Running Man and I didn't know it was as a King book at the time.
I don't read horror genre. Posted by: the way I see it at October 26, 2025 *** Then try his two novellas, "The Body" (filmed as Stand By Me) and "Rita Hayworth and Shawshank Redemption," filmed as guess what. Not a creepy-crawlie in the bunch. Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 10:32 AM (omVj0) 190
I haven't read any Joe Hill, but I did enjoy the series "NOS4A2", about an artist tracking an immortal being who preys on children. Dollar Store Spock Zachary Quinto was good as the baddie.
Posted by: All Hail Eris,, coming to you live from the Roller Disco of Discord! at October 26, 2025 10:32 AM (kpS4V) 191
Lois McMaster Bujold dropped a new Penric & Desdemona a couple of days ago, if anyone else is interested ... back to chores, have fun !
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at October 26, 2025 10:32 AM (kHop/) 192
And I'm enthralled by this book on the Bayeux Tapestry by David M. Wilson.
When I go to my reward, I want some crafty Horde chica to embroider a linen piece with me in a Viking boat lying on a bier of sleazy paperbacks, a flaming arrow arcing toward my brandy-soaked corpse, with ERIS DEFUNCTUS EST. Posted by: All Hail Eris,, coming to you live from the Roller Disco of Discord! at October 26, 2025 10:13 AM (kpS4V) I mentioned this after the Book Thread was dead last week, but- our family has a direct ancestor on the Bayeaux Tapestry as well as the "Olde-fashioned" spelling of the family name listing him. It was kind of a neat thrill for me when the delightful and globe-trotting Mrs naturalfake journeyed to France and took a gander at the BT. Posted by: naturalfake at October 26, 2025 10:32 AM (iJfKG) 193
Isn't the word autocracy?
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 26, 2025 10:27 AM (g8Ew No. If you have autarky, you have an economy that is completely self-sufficient and produces absolutely everything on its own. Posted by: Cow Demon at October 26, 2025 10:34 AM (vwL3N) 194
Read Steven Pressfield's book, The Profession and see how he nailed drone warfare and general warfare when he wrote it 15 years ago.
Posted by: the way I see it at October 26, 2025 10:34 AM (EYmYM) Posted by: sock_rat_eez at October 26, 2025 10:34 AM (kHop/) 196
The trajectory of geniuses and their families is a pretty amazing refutation of both genetics and environment as the source of genius. It seems pretty rare to have a family of geniuses; they tend to appear out of ordinary backgrounds, and their offspring tend to revert to the mean.
So apparently being the child of a genius doesn't make you a genius, and growing up among geniuses doesn't do it either. There are a few examples of families producing more than a single outstanding person -- the Dysons, the Carnots, the Rimsky-Korsakovs, the Tudors, and maybe the Wedgewood-Darwin clan. But they are rare. Posted by: Trimegistus at October 26, 2025 10:35 AM (78a2H) 197
Am I the only one here who does this?
Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 26, 2025 09:38 AM (q3u5l) It's not uncommon for me to spend an evening bouncing between two different comic books (a couple issues each) and then going through a few chapters of a novel. Posted by: Castle Guy at October 26, 2025 10:35 AM (Lhaco) 198
I loaded a bunch of books on my Kimdle for the Texas trip and then ended up hardly reading anything at all. lol
Still trying to get into Pierce Brown's Dark Age in his Red Rising series. I really like it but having trouble reading more than 25 pages before I'm out.A lot of simultaneous story lines so easy stopping places. Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 26, 2025 10:35 AM (t/2Uw) 199
Endings.
I'm of two minds about Stephen King's endings. One -- they aren't neat and clean as one would expect from a novel, especially a 'popular' novel. Two -- real life doesn't have neat clean endings to the assorted chains of events contained therein and things just sort of wind down. If memory serves, Samuel Delany's The Fall of the Towers included excerpts from some of Delany's journals and working notes at the beginnings of some of the chapters. One of those notes said (again IIRC) "Endings, to be useful, must be inconclusive." Can't say I agree with that entirely, but I can see how some writers might. Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 26, 2025 10:36 AM (q3u5l) 200
Weasel and Squirrel > Frog and Toad
Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at October 26, 2025 10:36 AM (FfOQ4) 201
We don't need to veer into autarky but we need to get the government the hell out of the way so that we can, and will, have a society where people can do whatever the hell they want as long as they do not trample on the rights and lives of others.
Posted by: Cow Demon at October 26, 2025 10:30 AM (vwL3N) Well, we certainly can't have THAT. -------The Left Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 26, 2025 10:36 AM (g8Ew8) 202
our family has a direct ancestor on the Bayeaux Tapestry as well as the "Olde-fashioned" spelling of the family name listing him.
Posted by: naturalfake at October 26, 2025 10:32 AM (iJfKG) ---- Cool! Posted by: All Hail Eris,, coming to you live from the Roller Disco of Discord! at October 26, 2025 10:37 AM (kpS4V) 203
I just read a few. Eyes of the Dragon, the Body, some kind of old west shoot em up.
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 26, 2025 10:38 AM (BBIP1) 204
Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 26, 2025 10:36 AM (q3u5l)
Writing in a giant mind controlling spider at the end of IT was definitely phoning it in. Posted by: the way I see it at October 26, 2025 10:38 AM (EYmYM) 205
I don't think the US should have autarky - but we need to move sharply in that direction. While I don't think we should cease trade in anything, we absolutely must have certain indigenous industries sufficient to meet our needs in the coming storm. Food and energy shouldn't pose a problem. Steel, computer chips, medicine are a heavier lift.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice The US is uniquely positioned for this. We have plenty of energy relatively close to population centers, plenty of agriculture, plenty of raw materials, and for those that want it, even large areas where solar power could work, unlike the rest of the developed world. In fact, we probably have the ideal setting to be self sufficient in everything needed, including technological ability. All it would take is re-shoring our manufacturing. Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 26, 2025 10:38 AM (0U5gm) 206
I don't fear the Outside World like so many others here. I see danger in the Outside World but also opportunity. But in a vast country of 330 million people, we can and should do a little of everything. (Many here believe we should do absolutely nothing but manufacturing and government. I like manufacturing - and transportation, and ag, and services, and much more besides). We don't need to veer into autarky but we need to get the government the hell out of the way so that we can, and will, have a society where people can do whatever the hell they want as long as they do not trample on the rights and lives of others.
Posted by: Cow Demon at October 26, 2025 10:30 AM (vwL3N) A great example came to mind - this country loves to shoot itself in the foot and blame everyone else for it. Take rare earths. We can get our own, but the government stands in the way with vast environmental regulations at every level - local, state, federal. We don't have to get them all from the PRC. Yet many act as if they can only come from the PRC. Can we get the government out of the way? Please? Posted by: Cow Demon at October 26, 2025 10:38 AM (vwL3N) 207
I've never heard of an author under the name Lippshitz.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 26, 2025 10:41 AM (g8Ew8) 208
Is autarky an actual word?
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 26, 2025 09:50 AM (t/2Uw) It is, and it has nothing to do with extinct sea-birds Posted by: Kindltot at October 26, 2025 10:41 AM (rbvCR) 209
Swearing is reflected in what the culture hold in high regard of it's time. Blasphemous oaths and familial insults were in style in Shakespeare's day and we're considered more impactful than the vulgarities related to bodily functions and sexually related terms.
Posted by: Minuteman at October 26, 2025 10:42 AM (47/pr) 210
King: The endings of Salem's Lot, 11/22/63, The Stand, The Shining, and The Dead Zone were excellent. Three of them are not really "horror" but SF -- psi powers in Zone, time travel in 11/22/63, and the apocalyptic end of civilization in Stand. Its second half goes off those rails, but it still ends just as it should.
Some of his others are another thing entirely. Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 10:43 AM (omVj0) 211
Perfessor! Welcome back. I wish to echo the gratitude given to Weasel for keeping the torch alight and for keeping them away from the books.
Posted by: SPinRH_F-16 at October 26, 2025 10:44 AM (hixdV) 212
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Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 26, 2025 *** Which brings up the question: Has there ever been a first-rate writer who was the child of another first-rater? There was Dumas father and son, I guess, but any others? Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 09:48 AM **** Well ... objectively, one couldn't really classify either the late Mike Resnick or his daughter Laura among The Greats, but I have enjoyed a couple of his lighter series hugely (the Stalking isekai and the Doc Holliday weird Westerns), and she is responsible for my all-time favorite urban fantasy series (the Esther Diamond adventures). Incidentally, Laura went radio-silent shortly after her father's passing with her series unfinished and I've been unable to learn anything about why. I don't know her personally, but we exchanged a couple of emails before she apparently vanished, and I can't help but worry.... Posted by: werewife at October 26, 2025 10:44 AM (5ayY3) 213
"All it would take is re-shoring our manufacturing."
Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 26, 2025 10:38 AM (0U5gm) We don't want to. We'll pout, whine and scream about we need to do all the world's manufacturing, and the only reason we don't is because of free trade. It wouldn't have ANYTHING to do with local, state and federal government that are utterly hostile to business and a society which is utterly hostile to business and who very cheerfully run off businesses. I want this country doing everything but first we need to make it inviting to do business in this country. The reason BMWs are made in SC is because it's easier to do business there than in Germany. The reason businesses relocate to TX, including manufactures, is because this state is MOSTLY business friendly. Roll out the red carpet. Make it inviting to do business here, and watch this country take over. Posted by: Cow Demon at October 26, 2025 10:44 AM (vwL3N) 214
Finished Curzon: Imperial Statesman by Sir David Gilmour, a biography of George Curzon, Viceroy of India from 1899-1905 and Foreign Secretary from 1919-1924. Curzon, from a modest aristocratic family, had a meteoric rise - Eton, Oxford, House of Commons, Undersecretary for Foreign Affairs - he had the mark of a future Prime Minister. Widely traveled in Asia, he became Viceroy of India at 39. He was industrious and intelligent, instituting many reforms, but fell afoul of the intrigues of Kitchener, C. in C. of the Indian Army, and resigned, an act that ruined his political career. In the wilderness for years, he was awarded an earldom in 1911 and returned to the Cabinet under Lloyd George. As Foreign Minister, it was said that he could analyze a problem with crystal clarity but could not provide any solutions. When Bonar Law resigned as PM in 1923, Curzon was passed over for Baldwin. It was said that a peer could no longer be prime minister but the real reason was that he was admired, but not liked. He died embittered in 1925. He had industry and penetrating intelligence but these were offset by pomposity, dogmatism and vanity combined with self-pity. A tragic story. Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 26, 2025 10:44 AM (tgvbd) 215
Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 26, 2025 10:38 AM (0U5gm)
I like even though we perceive the dumbing down of the country we still continually win the Nobel in the STEM fields . The two youngest people to build a nuclear reactor were born in the backward southern states of Arkansas and Tennessee. We aren't done yet. Posted by: the way I see it at October 26, 2025 10:44 AM (EYmYM) 216
It's been a good long while since I read "David Copperfield", but so far I can't tell the difference with this streamlined version,
Posted by: All Hail Eris,, I'm such a philistine; when I see/hear the name Davide Copperfield, I still think of the magician/illusionist, and not the novel/character... Posted by: Castle Guy at October 26, 2025 10:44 AM (Lhaco) Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 26, 2025 10:45 AM (tgvbd) 218
You gotta read "Civilizations," by French author Laurent Binet!
Hugely entertaining alternative history about the European world's discovery of North and South America, beginning with vikings, including a powerful woman chieftan, coming into America circa about 1000 BC, then later Columbus, who ends up with the Incas, with the Incas learning all about guns germs and steel and oceangoing and getting pigs horses cows and whatever and written language and it's all so goddam funny. They say to him Chris, you're gonna stay here while we take a ride on your boats. So Inca dude goes to 1500s Spain, reads Machiavelli and learns, and becomes the boss man of Europe, Europe being the fucked up mess it was, and badly needing a good boss man. Wait till you read what the vikes call the indians. Posted by: M. Gaga at October 26, 2025 10:45 AM (zeLd4) 219
210 King: The endings of Salem's Lot, 11/22/63, The Stand, The Shining, and The Dead Zone were excellent. Three of them are not really "horror" but SF -- psi powers in Zone, time travel in 11/22/63, and the apocalyptic end of civilization in Stand. Its second half goes off those rails, but it still ends just as it should.
Some of his others are another thing entirely. Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 10:43 AM (omVj0) The Dead Zone is what happens when SK does what he is capable of doing. The Stand is one of my favorite novels in spite of its flaws. Posted by: Cow Demon at October 26, 2025 10:45 AM (vwL3N) 220
Apt pupil which ties into shawshank tangentially
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at October 26, 2025 10:46 AM (bXbFr) 221
Some of his others are another thing entirely.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 *** I'll admit his ending for Firestarter, an otherwise find SF adventure novel, is a gagger. Rolling Stone magazine as an independent, fearless force for liberty? He'd have done better to create his own "fearless" magazine in the novel and have the heroine go to them at the end. Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 10:46 AM (omVj0) 222
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 10:43 AM (omVj0)
He nailed the ending of The Dead Zone. Posted by: the way I see it at October 26, 2025 10:46 AM (EYmYM) 223
I've written a couple of "heist" stories -- they're fun and there's a clear goal and motivation for the characters. So I've been following the Louvre robbery and I have to say I'm disappointed.
The actual job was boringly straighforward. No realistic rubber masks, no split-second timing, no bluff and counter-bluff. Just the kind of break-in one might see at a suburban auto parts distributor, followed by a very unsatisfactory getaway. And the loot? You're stealing late 19th century stuff that belonged to Napoleon III's wife? Where's the confiscated Templar jewels? The diamonds of Marie Antoinette, or the personal crucifix of St. Louis? How the hell can you write a Dan Brown thriller about stuff ordered from a jewelry store in the 1860s? I demand better heists. Posted by: Trimegistus at October 26, 2025 10:46 AM (78a2H) 224
135 I used to think "arcology" was derived from the -arkeia suffix. But it's not - it's just a dumb made up word to mean "architecture ecology." Not sure when it was coined but it reeks of the 1970s to me.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 26, 2025 10:06 AM (BI5O2) ==== I remember a novel about an extremely large, city-sized, self-contained building named an "arcology" but my memory is no good now. Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 26, 2025 10:12 AM (A0sqA) To me, an arcology will always be one of those big end-game buildings you could create in Sim City 2000. But I'm sure they are also a staple in all sorts of sci-fi/dystopian-future novels. Posted by: Castle Guy at October 26, 2025 10:47 AM (Lhaco) 225
I like even though we perceive the dumbing down of the country we still continually win the Nobel in the STEM fields . The two youngest people to build a nuclear reactor were born in the backward southern states of Arkansas and Tennessee.
We aren't done yet. Posted by: the way I see it at October 26, 2025 10:44 AM (EYmYM Can you conceive of how attractive manufacturing would be in a country with cheap and plentiful power sourced from, say, a vast number of SMRs scattered across the country? (Or even large nuclear reactors to augment natural gas plants?) And much else besides? Posted by: Cow Demon at October 26, 2025 10:47 AM (vwL3N) 226
He nailed the ending of The Dead Zone.
Posted by: the way I see it at October 26, 2025 10:46 AM (EYmYM) John Smith was a great, tormented protagonist, IMO. Posted by: Cow Demon at October 26, 2025 10:48 AM (vwL3N) 227
Swearing is reflected in what the culture hold in high regard of it's time. Blasphemous oaths and familial insults were in style in Shakespeare's day and we're considered more impactful than the vulgarities related to bodily functions and sexually related terms.
Posted by: Minuteman at October 26, 2025 10:42 AM (47/pr) Well shit fire and save the matches! Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 26, 2025 10:48 AM (g8Ew8) 228
Sad.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 26, 2025 10:08 AM (A0sqA) To be fair, the history of Ireland is one of war crimes and retribution justifying further crimes. Last time I checked Northern Ireland doesn't have a sitting government because the IRA-linked party won and the Provo-linked party refused to sit them Posted by: Kindltot at October 26, 2025 10:49 AM (rbvCR) 229
80 WA “Which brings up the question: Has there ever been a first-rate writer who was the child of another first-rater? There was Dumas father and son, I guess, but any others?”
JRR and Christopher Tolkien come to mind. Thanks almost solely to Christopher, JRR may be among the best-documented writers of all time. I cannot recall the source of that paraphrase, it may have been Tom Shippey or Verlyn Flieger, Posted by: SPinRH_F-16 at October 26, 2025 10:50 AM (hixdV) 230
The Dead Zone is what happens when SK does what he is capable of doing. The Stand is one of my favorite novels in spite of its flaws.
Posted by: Cow Demon at October 26, 2025 *** The Green Mile is good too. Dunno what the film is like. His novelettes "The Langoliers" and "The Library Policeman" are well done, too. But looking over his bibliography, there are a lot of novels there I don't recall much about, and am not really rushing to read again. Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 10:50 AM (omVj0) 231
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Give Kingsley Amis a read. He's always well worth your time. Posted by: naturalfake at October 26, 2025 10:27 **** Seconded. "Girl, 20" begins and progresses as a goofy comedy riffing on contemporary manners (chiefly the lack thereof) ... and arrives at an inevitable ending that will break your heart. Amis understood the way we live now all too well. Posted by: werewife at October 26, 2025 10:50 AM (5ayY3) 232
Posted by: Kindltot at October 26, 2025 10:49 AM (rbvCR)
Ireland is an African country located off the coast of Europe . Posted by: the way I see it at October 26, 2025 10:51 AM (EYmYM) 233
Seriously jeffrey archer had a few robert daley telescoping the 1975 one to the 50s kelleys heros et al
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at October 26, 2025 10:51 AM (bXbFr) 234
His novelettes "The Langoliers" and "The Library Policeman" are well done, too. But looking over his bibliography, there are a lot of novels there I don't recall much about, and am not really rushing to read again.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 10:50 AM (omVj0) "The Library Policeman" is disgusting. Posted by: Cow Demon at October 26, 2025 10:51 AM (vwL3N) 235
"My name is George Nathaniel Curzon,
I am a most superior person. My cheek is pink, my hair is sleek, And I dine at Blenheim twice a week." Posted by: Trimegistus at October 26, 2025 10:52 AM (78a2H) 236
. . . The actual [Louvre] job was boringly straighforward. No realistic rubber masks, no split-second timing, no bluff and counter-bluff. Just the kind of break-in one might see at a suburban auto parts distributor, followed by a very unsatisfactory getaway. . . .
I demand better heists. Posted by: Trimegistus at October 26, 2025 *** More of a Parker heist than a Mission: Impossible job in the Dan Briggs days. Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 10:52 AM (omVj0) 237
142 I write science fiction set in the distant future, and I've had struggles with what to use as "bad language" in that setting, especially when major characters are Digital Intelligences or non-humans of one kind or another. I ruled out sexual profanity, I ruled out religious-derived profanity -- and I desperately wanted to avoid "science fictiony" oaths and curses. No "by Klono's carballoy claws!" or "Tanj" or any of that. It mostly leaves me with references to dirt and filth, and insults to intelligence.
Posted by: Trimegistus at October 26, 2025 10:14 AM (78a2H) In a society with digital intelligences...I'd look around for terms of bad/messed up coding. Or manufacturing defects. Or becoming obsolete or incompatible. Then shave off a letter or two, or slang-fiy the term, and you'd probably have a decent far-future swear word. Posted by: Castle Guy at October 26, 2025 10:53 AM (Lhaco) 238
Saw upthreat the mention of who's kid turned out to be as good a writer as dad or mom.
Don't know, but IMHO neither Nelson DeMille's or Lee Child's is gonna make it. I had hopes, but imaginative storytelling ability ain't like the color of your eyes or how you swing a golf club. Posted by: M. Gaga at October 26, 2025 10:53 AM (zeLd4) 239
"The Library Policeman" is disgusting.
Posted by: Cow Demon at October 26, 2025 *** It deals with disgusting material, yes. But the journey of the hero from complacent businessman to battler against evil is well done. Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 10:54 AM (omVj0) 240
Posted by: Trimegistus at October 26, 2025 10:52 AM (78a2H) Curzon's mistress, Elinor Glyn, sent him her latest book along with a passionate letter. He thanked her and pointed out two spelling mistakes. Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 26, 2025 10:55 AM (tgvbd) 241
An arcology is just an enclosed city, like a castle really. Or a super mall.
It is unable to sustain itself, which is one of the problems with the concept, as it will still rely on others for trade and food and warm bodies. A starship, a generation style in particular, is as close to what an arcology wants to be. They were a big deal in cyberpunk fiction in the 80's. Which I love. Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at October 26, 2025 10:55 AM (xcxpd) 242
If I recall correctly Adam Carolla coined the insult douche nozzle. He figured it was worse than a bag based on where it was placed .
Posted by: the way I see it at October 26, 2025 10:56 AM (EYmYM) 243
I remember a novel about an extremely large, city-sized, self-contained building named an "arcology" but my memory is no good now.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 26, 2025 10:12 AM (A0sqA) Everything from positive in Oath of Fealty by Niven and Pournelle, to dystopic in T. A. Bass' Hive Earth series, The Godwhale and Half Past Human Posted by: Kindltot at October 26, 2025 10:57 AM (rbvCR) 244
Hello, Perfessor!
Posted by: Eromero at October 26, 2025 10:58 AM (jgmnb) 245
I just read "Dungeon Crawler Carl", recommended by a friend. Apparently this book was the one to read about a year back. Online reviewers call it "LitRPG" or literary role playing game. It reads as an first person view of what amounts to live action Dungeons and Dragons. Didn't get into to it until the last few chapters. It is not a complete story, as it ends with our heroes preparing to descend to a deeper level of the Dungeon. Don't know if I'm going to continue the series.
Posted by: Darth Randall at October 26, 2025 10:59 AM (sCQLi) 246
There's also a short story by King from one of his collections that is a gem. I can't recall the title, but in it a man who has cut down his smoking to a small number of cigarettes a day suddenly becomes aware that some of the people around him are not human. They continue to sound and act like humans, but they have heads like black bats, and are working to make this world theirs. Anybody recall the title?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 10:59 AM (omVj0) 247
Ireland is an African country located off the coast of Europe .
Posted by: the way I see it at October 26, 2025 10:51 AM (EYmYM) "Say it loud, I'm black and I'm proud!" -Brother Rabbit Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at October 26, 2025 11:01 AM (xcxpd) 248
I suppose it beats an anarcho-syndicalist commune.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 26, 2025 10:18 AM (0U5gm) Or a phalanstère community, a la Charles Fourier Posted by: Kindltot at October 26, 2025 11:01 AM (rbvCR) 249
Larry Correia has at least one recent blog post detailing upcoming work. There will be two more books to finish out Owen's story but I don't think he gave anything more than a vague idea of when they would be published. I guess late next year would be the earliest but I'd be surprised if both weren't out by 2028.
Oh, and I found the swearing in his Son of the Black Sword series amusing and consistent with the world-building. Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 26, 2025 11:02 AM (ULPxl) 250
The King story I mentioned in 246 is "The Ten O'Clock People" -- named for those office workers who step outside for a smoke break at ten am, I guess.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 11:02 AM (omVj0) 251
No realistic rubber masks, no split-second timing, no bluff and counter-bluff.
- No cool theme music like Mission Impossible or the Rockford Files. Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, OMGWTFBBQ! at October 26, 2025 11:02 AM (L/fGl) 252
King is far ahead of any author having his writings made into movies. He should be a billionaire like JK Rowlings . Maybe he has a shitty agent.
Posted by: the way I see it at October 26, 2025 11:03 AM (EYmYM) 253
245 I just read "Dungeon Crawler Carl", recommended by a friend. Apparently this book was the one to read about a year back. Online reviewers call it "LitRPG" or literary role playing game. It reads as an first person view of what amounts to live action Dungeons and Dragons. Didn't get into to it until the last few chapters. It is not a complete story, as it ends with our heroes preparing to descend to a deeper level of the Dungeon. Don't know if I'm going to continue the series.
Posted by: Darth Randall at October 26, 2025 10:59 AM (sCQLi) LitRPG is pretty trash as a genre. The more 'gamelike' it is, the worse. The closer to traditional fantasy it is, the better. Just my experience. Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at October 26, 2025 11:03 AM (xcxpd) 254
The dream of an arcology is alive and well. Right now, there are architecture firms pushing to extend the "mixed use" commercial/residential concept to include workspaces. So the people live, work, and shop in the same building. The problem is that nobody wants to live in an arcology; they want to go outside and do stuff in other places, and the cities they are planning these buildings for are all hellholes. Contrary to the wishes of urban planners, people have been exiting these urban doomscapes for suburbs, small towns and rural areas at an alarming rate since COVID. Alarming for everyone. For the cities, and for the recipient communities. It's funny. When I was a mere stripling studying American history, our various large-scale migrations were considered key moments in our national development. Homesteading, Manifest Destiny, the rural-to-urban surge of the 19th and early 20th centuries, the Great Migration from the South, all of them pivotal moments. But our urban media and politicians just don't seem to acknowledge that this is happening at all. Funny, that. Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 26, 2025 11:03 AM (BI5O2) 255
I see red dwarf was mentioned. I read one book called red dwarf. I don't know how many there are, if there are sequels, if it's a series, etc etc. I just have one book. There were some funny parts. The one part that sticks with me was the dude who spray painted his ass green to hide the hole in the seat of his camo pants.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at October 26, 2025 11:03 AM (snZF9) 256
Some versions of arcologies are supposed to be self-sufficient, or at least produce a significant amount of food and energy internally. Architects always envision this as being done by the high-tech equivalent of window boxes, but every model of "vertical farming" I've seen looks horribly inefficient and labor-intensive.
Arcology-type colonies in space (the Moon, Mars, etc.) would _have_ to have a lot of agriculture, just to recycle the atmosphere. Space colonization advocates tend to handwave the difficulties of large-scale "indoor" farming. As far as I'm aware, right now it's only done for very high value crops like flowers, some winter fruit, and of course weed. Posted by: Trimegistus at October 26, 2025 11:04 AM (78a2H) 257
There's also a short story by King from one of his collections that is a gem. I can't recall the title, but in it a man who has cut down his smoking to a small number of cigarettes a day suddenly becomes aware that some of the people around him are not human. They continue to sound and act like humans, but they have heads like black bats, and are working to make this world theirs. Anybody recall the title?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere Democrat National Convention? Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, OMGWTFBBQ! at October 26, 2025 11:04 AM (L/fGl) 258
Since you've got Dracula on your reading list, I highly recommend it to all who haven't read it before. I re-read it every October to help set a Halloween tone. People should be patient with it though, since as an epistolary novel some find it off-putting to change viewpoints so often. However, it's well worth it; Stoker does an excellent job in creating mood, and he displays the Victorian era & mindset well. Also, the characters are well-crafted. Dracula himself is in no way a sympathetic character, despite how modern movies portray him; he's more a force of nature, an evil that must be stopped else darkness reign. Perhaps the best character is Mina, who is truly the heart of the story, strong in her conviction, faith, and determination, and an equal partner to the exceptional men on the quest to stop the monster. She's often overlooked in discussions of strong female characters because she doesn't fight physically; her weapons are her keen mind and her ability to inspire others. She's a feminine hero, not a feminist one.
Posted by: Clark at October 26, 2025 11:05 AM (jlI90) Posted by: the way I see it at October 26, 2025 11:06 AM (EYmYM) 260
Stephen King put a lot of money up his nose back in the 1980s and 1990s. He's pretty open about it.
Posted by: Trimegistus at October 26, 2025 11:07 AM (78a2H) 261
. . . a man who has cut down his smoking to a small number of cigarettes a day suddenly becomes aware that some of the people around him are not human. They continue to sound and act like humans, but they have heads like black bats, and are working to make this world theirs. Anybody recall the title?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere * Democrat National Convention? Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, OMGWTFBBQ! at October 26, 2025 *** That's a perfect analogy, but King wouldn't have intended that. He's quoted as saying it was to highlight a modern-day form of segregation -- making smokers into second-class citizens. Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 11:08 AM (omVj0) 262
There's also a short story by King from one of his collections that is a gem. I can't recall the title, but in it a man who has cut down his smoking to a small number of cigarettes a day suddenly becomes aware that some of the people around him are not human. They continue to sound and act like humans, but they have heads like black bats, and are working to make this world theirs. Anybody recall the title?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere Democrat National Convention? Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, OMGWTFBBQ! at October 26, 2025 11:04 AM (L/fGl) Almost spit coffee on that one. lol Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at October 26, 2025 11:08 AM (snZF9) 263
213 "All it would take is re-shoring our manufacturing."
Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 26, 2025 10:38 AM (0U5gm) We don't want to. We'll pout, whine and scream about we need to do all the world's manufacturing, and the only reason we don't is because of free trade. Posted by: Cow Demon at October 26, 2025 10:44 AM (vwL3N) One thing that infuriates me is when people claim 'Americans won't do these jobs,' referring to factory work or whatnot. It's especially galling when my wiving in a community worried about a local coal mine closing. Yeah, those coal miners certainly see themselves as being 'too good' for manual labor... Also, this opinion was offered by a co-worker, right before he left his office job to work handi-man/construction. The double-think required for that position just gives me a headache... Posted by: Castle Guy at October 26, 2025 11:09 AM (Lhaco) 264
Well ... objectively, one couldn't really classify either the late Mike Resnick or his daughter Laura among The Greats, but I have enjoyed a couple of his lighter series hugely (the Stalking isekai and the Doc Holliday weird Westerns), and she is responsible for my all-time favorite urban fantasy series (the Esther Diamond adventures). Incidentally, Laura went radio-silent shortly after her father's passing with her series unfinished and I've been unable to learn anything about why. I don't know her personally, but we exchanged a couple of emails before she apparently vanished, and I can't help but worry....
Posted by: werewife at October 26, 2025 10:44 AM (5ayY3) Laura turned on her father when Mike Resnik was raked over the coals for daring to refer to a female editor as 'hot'. I lost all respect for her. I still have several of her novels in my library but I'm not rushing out to read them. Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at October 26, 2025 11:09 AM (xcxpd) 265
Curzon's mistress, Elinor Glyn, sent him her latest book along with a passionate letter. He thanked her and pointed out two spelling mistakes.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 26, 2025 10:55 AM (tgvbd) ---- "How'd you like to sin Like Elinor Glyn On a tiger skin?" Posted by: All Hail Eris,, coming to you live from the Roller Disco of Discord! at October 26, 2025 11:10 AM (kpS4V) 266
Posted by: Castle Guy at October 26, 2025 11:09 AM (Lhaco)
Re-shoring manufacturing here will require an over haul of our union system. Posted by: the way I see it at October 26, 2025 11:11 AM (EYmYM) 267
Re-shoring manufacturing here will require an over haul of our union system.
Posted by: the way I see it at October 26, 2025 11:11 AM (EYmYM) Unions will screw it up every time. Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 26, 2025 11:13 AM (g8Ew8) 268
here's also a short story by King from one of his collections that is a gem. I can't recall the title, but in it a man who has cut down his smoking to a small number of cigarettes a day suddenly becomes aware that some of the people around him are not human
There is another King short about a guy who wants to quit smoking (maybe something he has struggled with himself?) and signs up with some group giving them permission to do anything to help him stop. Being King, you can kind of imagine where it goes from there. Posted by: Oddbob at October 26, 2025 11:14 AM (3nLb4) 269
I got a nice surprise this week. I ordered a copy of It Was A Long Time Ago, and It Never Happened Anyway, a book detailing the horrors of Socialism that people living in the Soviet Union refused to believe. When I got it, I was flipping through the pages and noticed that the title page was signed by the author.
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at October 26, 2025 11:15 AM (PiwSw) 270
268 here's also a short story by King from one of his collections that is a gem. I can't recall the title, but in it a man who has cut down his smoking to a small number of cigarettes a day suddenly becomes aware that some of the people around him are not human
There is another King short about a guy who wants to quit smoking (maybe something he has struggled with himself?) and signs up with some group giving them permission to do anything to help him stop. Being King, you can kind of imagine where it goes from there. Posted by: Oddbob at October 26, 2025 11:14 AM (3nLb4) Quitters Inc, if I remember correctly. King's short fiction is pretty good. Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at October 26, 2025 11:16 AM (xcxpd) 271
They are never, ever going to let J6 go despite every one of their claims being proven over and over as lies or exaggerations.
But Jonny Karl has a big book to sell, so rush out and support more propaganda will you? LOLGF. Big reveal-- that somehow proves Trump knew his election fraud claims were "lies"-- he called Pence a "wimp" for not delaying the certification. Sofa king we todd ed I swear, everyone who calls J6 an "insurrection " needs shoved into that pit volcano in Africa. Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 26, 2025 11:16 AM (HXT0k) 272
246 There's also a short story by King from one of his collections that is a gem. I can't recall the title, but in it a man who has cut down his smoking to a small number of cigarettes a day suddenly becomes aware that some of the people around him are not human. They continue to sound and act like humans, but they have heads like black bats, and are working to make this world theirs. Anybody recall the title?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 10:59 AM (omVj0) So, its "They Live" if you replace 'special sunglasses' with 'quitting smoking'? Posted by: Castle Guy at October 26, 2025 11:16 AM (Lhaco) 273
I just learned In the Mouth of Madness was not based on a book but rather the book was based on the movie.
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There is another King short about a guy who wants to quit smoking (maybe something he has struggled with himself?) and signs up with some group giving them permission to do anything to help him stop. Being King, you can kind of imagine where it goes from there.
Posted by: Oddbob at October 26, 2025 11:14 AM (3nLb4) "Reformed" smokers are the original Karens. Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 26, 2025 11:17 AM (g8Ew8) 275
There is another King short about a guy who wants to quit smoking (maybe something he has struggled with himself?) and signs up with some group giving them permission to do anything to help him stop. Being King, you can kind of imagine where it goes from there.
Posted by: Oddbob at October 26, 2025 * Quitters Inc, if I remember correctly. King's short fiction is pretty good. Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at October 26, 2025 *** Very much the kind of story that the Alfred Hitchcock show would have done once upon a time. Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 11:17 AM (omVj0) 276
Last year's Nosferatu film had some flaws, but I do think its vampire was a great return to what vampires in horror fiction/film should be. He's not some handsome chap motivated by undying love or anything like that. He's a living corpse, possibly animated by a demon, who _lusts_ (not loves) for the heroine.
Best detail in the film: you only hear him breathe right before he speaks. Because that's the only thing he uses his lungs for. Posted by: Trimegistus at October 26, 2025 11:18 AM (78a2H) 277
One seemingly out of place segment of the Bayeux Tapestry has "a certain cleric" slapping or grabbing a woman named Aelfgyva ("Elf Gift", back when names were cool and Tolkienesque). On the border directly below is a very naked little man.
There's no explanation because everybody at the time knew to what this was referring. Current historians haven't a clew. Medieval gossip immortalized in embroidery! Posted by: All Hail Eris,, coming to you live from the Roller Disco of Discord! at October 26, 2025 10:25 AM (kpS4V) verrry interesting ! Posted by: runner at October 26, 2025 11:19 AM (g47mK) 278
253 245 I just read "Dungeon Crawler Carl", recommended by a friend. Apparently this book was the one to read about a year back. Online reviewers call it "LitRPG" or literary role playing game. It reads as an first person view of what amounts to live action Dungeons and Dragons. Didn't get into to it until the last few chapters. It is not a complete story, as it ends with our heroes preparing to descend to a deeper level of the Dungeon. Don't know if I'm going to continue the series.
Posted by: Darth Randall at October 26, 2025 10:59 AM (sCQLi) -- I just started this one on the recommendation of a friend. I was told that once the rules were explained to Carl, the story revs up. We shall see. Posted by: All Hail Eris,, coming to you live from the Roller Disco of Discord! at October 26, 2025 11:19 AM (kpS4V) 279
Welcome back Perfessor! And thank you Weasel!
Haven't gotten much reading done the past few weeks. Life has been a bit chaotic but seems to be settling into something. Exactly what that something is, only time will tell. A couple of weeks ago I treated myself to the Kindle version of PJ Fitzsimmons The Case of the Canterfell Codicil which is book 2 of his Anty Boisjoly series. I'm just starting chapter 3 and so far it's been a light, fun read. I'll be sure to report back when finished. Posted by: KatieFloyd at October 26, 2025 11:20 AM (eoSn7) 280
And I'm enthralled by this book on the Bayeux Tapestry by David M. Wilson.
Must be decent because I can't find a used copy at any of the usual sites. Posted by: Oddbob at October 26, 2025 11:21 AM (3nLb4) 281
Can you conceive of how attractive manufacturing would be in a country with cheap and plentiful power sourced from, say, a vast number of SMRs scattered across the country? (Or even large nuclear reactors to augment natural gas plants?) And much else besides?
Posted by: Cow Demon at October 26, 2025 10:47 AM (vwL3N) Part of the offshoring of US industry and the financialization of the economy is based on the strength of the US Dollar, which makes it cheaper on the whole to buy stuff from overseas. That is going to have to be addressed to reshore industries here. Posted by: Kindltot at October 26, 2025 11:21 AM (rbvCR) 282
Last year's Nosferatu film had some flaws, but I do think its vampire was a great return to what vampires in horror fiction/film should be. He's not some handsome chap motivated by undying love or anything like that. He's a living corpse, possibly animated by a demon, who _lusts_ (not loves) for the heroine.
Best detail in the film: you only hear him breathe right before he speaks. Because that's the only thing he uses his lungs for. Posted by: Trimegistus at October 26, 2025 11:18 AM (78a2H) That movie was sooo boring. I went to sleep halfway through. Decided to watch the half I missed and went sleep halfway through that. Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 26, 2025 11:22 AM (g8Ew8) 283
Best detail in the film: you only hear him breathe right before he speaks. Because that's the only thing he uses his lungs for.
Posted by: Trimegistus at October 26, 2025 *** In Fred Saberhagen's The Dracula Tape, which has Dracula narrate his own story (and reveal how he outmsarted thosed humans in England in 1897), he says exactly that to his hearers: "Have you noticed I do not breathe, except to draw breath to speak? Now watch, and you will see." Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 11:22 AM (omVj0) 284
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'Well there was also alois brunner who ran nassers missile program and trained the syrian police' I imagined him dealing with Arab subordinates and finding them neither hard-working nor efficient and rage-stroking. Posted by: Dr. Claw at October 26, 2025 11:25 AM (fd80v) 285
Mornin'
Rereading Frankenstein as suggested in a past thread. Interesting story still about how people mess up life in hopes of fame. The lady of the house stopped reading Goudge and is now reading Haywire by Brooke Hayward about the perils of Hollywood, divorce, and family history. Can't say she's enjoying it, but says it feels like a sad memoir. Posted by: night lifted at October 26, 2025 11:25 AM (/YboP) 286
Best detail in the film: you only hear him breathe right before he speaks. Because that's the only thing he uses his lungs for.
Posted by: Trimegistus at October 26, 2025 *** There's a passing reference to that among the vampires in Buffy the Vampire Slayer, too. They clearly draw air to speak or smoke, though. When Angel says at one point, "I have no breath," he doesn't mean he can't pass air out of his mouth, but that his breath has no spirit in it. Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 11:26 AM (omVj0) 287
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The dream of an arcology is alive and well. Right now, there are architecture firms pushing to extend the "mixed use" commercial/residential concept to include workspaces. So the people live, work, and shop in the same building. The problem is that nobody wants to live in an arcology; they want to go outside and do stuff in other places, and the cities they are planning these buildings for are all hellholes. Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 26, 2025 11:03 AM (BI5O2) There are very basic logistical problems with getting people to 'live, work, and shop in the same building.' People change jobs. Businesses move, grow, or contract. People have different tastes in shops. Family situations change... Even if you had the power of central planning and forced things to 'be right' at the beginning, the moment that anything changes (someone gets fired, someone retires, someone gets promoted and has more money for a better residence, someone has a kid and needs more rooms) the perfect situation falls apart, and we quickly devolve back into the real world with commuting and traffic and all the rest.... Posted by: Castle Guy at October 26, 2025 11:26 AM (Lhaco) 288
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It's those small details I like. I the Matrix I thought the best most interesting line of the movie was when it was explained why the machines made a lot of animals taste like chicken . Posted by: the way I see it at October 26, 2025 11:26 AM (EYmYM) 289
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My parents lived in Vienna during the occupation, as my dad was administering DP camps. Mom said The Third Man was exactly like things were, and when they filmed the movie there, she and dad went down at night to watch them working on the sewer scenes. great great movie. I can't recommend Bram Stoker/Dracula heartily enough; it is awesome, at least IMO. Classic Victorian epistolary novel, creepy as hell, and surprisingly funny in some ways. Van Helsing, far from being the handsome swashbuckler of modern horror spinoffs, is an older man given to humorous malapropisms due to English perhaps being his third or fourth language. I.e. swearing: when recounting evidence from a cockney witness, his retelling is interspersed with "and then he said, again with much bloom and blood, that..." Worth the read, and rereads, to me. Posted by: barbarausa at October 26, 2025 11:27 AM (enw9G) 290
Has there ever been a first-rate writer who was the child of another first-rater?
Christopher Buckley son of Bill. Chris Buck is a cuck but "Thank You For Smoking" was a banger. Also Joe Hill[strom King]. Posted by: gKWVE at October 26, 2025 11:27 AM (K7yuL) 291
I imagined him dealing with Arab subordinates and finding them neither hard-working nor efficient and rage-stroking.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at October 26, 2025 11:25 AM (fd80v) I have nothing kind to say for Arabs - but the most striking thing about Arab societies, if you are not looking at the truly horrifying stuff, is the laziness. It's amazing. These people are so lazy, that it's difficult for any outsider to even figure out how they aren't all just dead. It shouldn't be possible to be that workshy and survive, and yet they persist. Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 26, 2025 11:28 AM (BI5O2) 292
I can't recommend Bram Stoker/Dracula heartily enough; it is awesome, at least IMO. Classic Victorian epistolary novel, creepy as hell, and surprisingly funny in some ways. Van Helsing, far from being the handsome swashbuckler of modern horror spinoffs, is an older man given to humorous malapropisms due to English perhaps being his third or fourth language. I.e. swearing: when recounting evidence from a cockney witness, his retelling is interspersed with "and then he said, again with much bloom and blood, that..."
Worth the read, and rereads, to me. Posted by: barbarausa at October 26, 2025 *** Stoker came out of the theatre world, not as an actor (I think) but as a critic and later a stage manager for Henry Irving. He knew how to make a story dramatic and make it live for the duration of the show. Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 11:29 AM (omVj0) 293
In a Book thread a couple of weeks ago, I mentioned that "when" you read a book can be as important as "what" is in the book ... and someone asked for the quotation source: It's from "The Storied Life of A.J. Fikry," by Gabrielle Zevin, page 41 in my paperback copy. Sorry for the delay ... no one's ever read any of my comments before
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My workers comp claimants worked harder at keeping their benefits going than they ever did at their job. Posted by: the way I see it at October 26, 2025 11:29 AM (EYmYM) 295
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Re-shoring manufacturing here will require an over haul of our union system. Posted by: the way I see it at October 26, 2025 11:11 AM (EYmYM) Ug. Another topic with a lot of double-think. I have an older co-worker who bemoans the way unions have lost power/influence. She is also reflexively critical of anything done to cut down on the number of illegal immigrants, and complains that we need to make it far easier for immigrants to become legal. Again, no comprehension of how these positions work at cross-purposes... Posted by: Castle Guy at October 26, 2025 11:30 AM (Lhaco) 296
Yudhishthira, I don't remember where I read it, but I love it:
""In'sh Allah" is like "Manana", but without the urgency" Posted by: barbarausa at October 26, 2025 11:30 AM (enw9G) 297
"the moment that anything changes ... the perfect situation falls apart"
If memory serves, Faustus is damned when he says of any moment, "Stay, you are so beautiful." And so are the planners, which would be okay but they'll drag the rest of us with them if they can. Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 26, 2025 11:31 AM (q3u5l) Posted by: the way I see it at October 26, 2025 11:32 AM (EYmYM) 299
Wolfus, the final pursuit can seem to drag a bit, but is reduced to simple journal entries, so it works. The whole book is a collection of letters, news articles, telegrams, legal papers, and diaries. I may have to go dig it out of the shelf and do it again!
Posted by: barbarausa at October 26, 2025 11:33 AM (enw9G) 300
the moment that anything changes ... the perfect situation falls apart"
No battle plan survives first contact with the enemy. Posted by: the way I see it at October 26, 2025 11:34 AM (EYmYM) 301
Welcome back, Professor . Weasel did an excellent job filling in, but it's nice to have you in your accustomed place.
I am reading another book by Catholic writer, Matthew Kelly. It is about joy. I had re only read "Thr Greatest Lie " in. Christianity which was against the idea that holiness was not possible in the Christian life-and no, I don't think I'm holy . I'm striving for it as do other Christians. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 26, 2025 11:35 AM (oJynz) 302
Must be decent because I can't find a used copy at any of the usual sites.
Posted by: Oddbob at October 26, 2025 11:21 AM (3nLb4) ---- Check your library's inter-library loan system. That's how I find many of the books I read, which are typically old, weird, and out of circulation (like me!). Posted by: All Hail Eris,, coming to you live from the Roller Disco of Discord! at October 26, 2025 11:35 AM (kpS4V) 303
dedicated to Weasel, for keeping the torch lit for all of us. Torches should remain 10 feet away from books at all times.
Great recommendation! Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 26, 2025 11:36 AM (5djUI) 304
I just ordered a book called "The Irregulars: Roald Dahl and the British Spy Ring in Wartime Washington" by Jennet Conant.
I'm going down that rabbit hole, how the intermingled intelligence agencies did their dirty deeds. We'll see where it ends up. Posted by: BurtTC at October 26, 2025 11:36 AM (IGgxk) 305
By the way, is anyone surprised that the Louvre suspects were trying to flee to Algeria and Mali?
In the film they'll be turned into Russians or White Supremacists. Posted by: Trimegistus at October 26, 2025 11:37 AM (78a2H) Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 26, 2025 11:37 AM (q3u5l) 307
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'Ireland is an African country located off the coast of Europe .' Ireland is filling up with actual Africans. Posted by: Dr. Claw at October 26, 2025 11:37 AM (fd80v) 308
Wolfus, the final pursuit can seem to drag a bit, but is reduced to simple journal entries, so it works. The whole book is a collection of letters, news articles, telegrams, legal papers, and diaries. I may have to go dig it out of the shelf and do it again!
Posted by: barbarausa at October 26, 2025 *** It has wonderful details like the vampire hunters arming themselves with Winchester rifles! Stoker had visited America, so he knew something about it and about Americans. The PBS version of the story in the '70s with Louis Jourdan is the only one I've seen that followed the original novel closely and even included the Winchesters. Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 11:38 AM (omVj0) 309
dedicated to Weasel, for keeping the torch lit for all of us. Torches should remain 10 feet away from books at all times.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 26, 2025 11:36 AM (5djUI) With exceptions for leftist drivel. Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at October 26, 2025 11:38 AM (snZF9) 310
Miss Linda asks if anyone has a recommendation for a ghost or horror film that is not too gory -- not a slasher film, in other words. I can think of The Others[/i w/ Nicole Kidman as well as The Sixth Sense. Anyh others?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 11:39 AM (omVj0) 311
My workers comp claimants worked harder at keeping their benefits going than they ever did at their job.
Posted by: the way I see it at October 26, 2025 11:29 AM (EYmYM) Sure enough - but they're living in a society where most people work their asses off obsessively, which allows for some to be very lazy. From what I could see in the Middle East, having maybe 10% working at what an American would consider a 40hr/week job is considered "full employment." I still don't understand how it can even go on. Whole countries of people sitting on the floor smoking hookah and doing nothing, but continuing to "live." Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 26, 2025 11:40 AM (BI5O2) 312
305 By the way, is anyone surprised that the Louvre suspects were trying to flee to Algeria and Mali?
-------- Third world barbarians make off with Crown Jewels right under the Gallic noses of the girlboss DEI museum management. It's such a great story it could only happen in France. Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 26, 2025 11:40 AM (0RiMX) 313
209 Swearing is reflected in what the culture hold in high regard of it's time. Blasphemous oaths and familial insults were in style in Shakespeare's day and we're considered more impactful than the vulgarities related to bodily functions and sexually related terms. Posted by: Minuteman Had a friend that got a degree in medieval literature. He said it was so he could curse people out without using George Carlin's seven deadly words. Forsooth, thou blackfaced loon! Posted by: BifBewalski - at October 26, 2025 11:41 AM (QVmho) 314
Yudhishthira, I don't remember where I read it, but I love it:
""In'sh Allah" is like "Manana", but without the urgency" Posted by: barbarausa at October 26, 2025 11:30 AM (enw9G) LOL, yeah that's about right. Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 26, 2025 11:41 AM (BI5O2) 315
Wolfus at 310
The Haunting, The Innocents, Burn Witch Burn, The Legend of Hell House, Curse of the Demon. Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 26, 2025 11:43 AM (q3u5l) 316
Part of the offshoring of US industry and the financialization of the economy is based on the strength of the US Dollar, which makes it cheaper on the whole to buy stuff from overseas. That is going to have to be addressed to reshore industries here.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 26, 2025 11:21 AM (rbvCR) I think this is a good point, and also why I vehemently argue that the LAST thing the PRC wants is for the yuan to be a reserve currency. (In fact I have mused that SDRs will eventually become a agreed to reserve by many countries at some point.) BUT...I still think with the right combination of policy and investment in human capital (some things AI cannot ever replace) that can be overridden. Posted by: Cow Demon at October 26, 2025 11:43 AM (vwL3N) 317
By the way, is anyone surprised that the Louvre suspects were trying to flee to Algeria and Mali?
=== NO. And it was an inside job. Posted by: runner at October 26, 2025 11:44 AM (g47mK) 318
And yeah, I get it - Arabs are willing to accept an extremely standard of living, because they're super stupid and can't connect the closely-linked concepts of advancement and work. But the wages of that kind of aggressive laziness should be death. It's like they evolved around sloth and have found some way to optimize for it. Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 26, 2025 11:44 AM (BI5O2) 319
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'It shouldn't be possible to be that workshy and survive, and yet they persist.' Those are our tax dollars at work! Posted by: Dr. Claw at October 26, 2025 11:45 AM (fd80v) 320
Wolfus, the Winchesters on the recommendation of Quincey!
I did not know that PBS had done it--thank you, I will look it up! Posted by: barbarausa at October 26, 2025 11:45 AM (enw9G) 321
If I was sitting on that much oil, I'd be moderately lazy too. And so would 90 percent of humanity.
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Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 11:39 AM (omVj0)
I guess she's seen "The Haunting" with Claire Bloom and Julie Harris from 1963 taken from the novel "The Haunting of Hill House" by Shirley Jackson? Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 26, 2025 11:46 AM (IeCgc) 323
Best detail in the film: you only hear him breathe right before he speaks. Because that's the only thing he uses his lungs for.
Posted by: Trimegistus at October 26, 2025 11:18 AM (78a2H) That movie was sooo boring. I went to sleep halfway through. Decided to watch the half I missed and went sleep halfway through that. Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 26, 2025 11:22 AM (g8Ew Eggers is a master filmmaker, but he's going to get "it was so boring" comments from people who are spoiled on Hollywood action. I specifically watched, before taking this one in, the Murnau version, then the Herzog version. Both masterpieces in their own right, but Eggers version surpasses both, in the richness of detail, and the depth of the characters. Posted by: BurtTC at October 26, 2025 11:46 AM (MLrwE) 324
But the wages of that kind of aggressive laziness should be death. It's like they evolved around sloth and have found some way to optimize for it.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 26, 2025 11:44 AM (BI5O2) Now they can move to Europe, not work at all, and get a decent standard of living AND commit crimes. I'd say that was optimization. Posted by: night lifted at October 26, 2025 11:47 AM (/YboP) 325
Ug. Another topic with a lot of double-think. I have an older co-worker who bemoans the way unions have lost power/influence. She is also reflexively critical of anything done to cut down on the number of illegal immigrants, and complains that we need to make it far easier for immigrants to become legal.
Again, no comprehension of how these positions work at cross-purposes... Posted by: Castle Guy at October 26, 2025 11:30 AM (Lhaco) So much this. I want us to do everything including manufactures, but how can we with state and local governments jacking up taxes, (or the feds), regulations, and with unions making outrageous demands? Before I even think of free trade, I want to look very harshly at how the United States sabotages itself through poor policy. The rust belt does NOT HAVE TO BE the rust belt. Toyota could have located a plant in Youngstown, OH instead of points south. But they didn't. Why? Posted by: Cow Demon at October 26, 2025 11:47 AM (vwL3N) 326
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 26, 2025 11:40 AM (BI5O2)
I wasn't disagreeing with you or trying to make a relative comparison . Your comment just reminded me what I had to deal with. Posted by: the way I see it at October 26, 2025 11:48 AM (EYmYM) 327
Quincey the noble Texan, BTW
Posted by: barbarausa at October 26, 2025 11:48 AM (enw9G) 328
Cowdemon, IIRC the PRC has two currencies, the onshore Yuan and the international Yuan. That avoids the problem of an overly strong currency at home disincentivizing manufacturing, while backing it with a controllable international currency.
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There is a reason why grand American families, like the Vanderbilts, and the Astors, remain grand and wealthy for a few generations and then disappear into obscurity, to be overtaken by some 30 yo kid from Silicon valley.
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Has anyone read this short story? The Man Who Was Almost a Man The Main Character: Dave, a young son of a freedman family, is desperate to be seen as a man. The Gun: He buys a cheap, rusty pistol (a mail-order gun) to prove his manhood. The Incident: He takes it out to the field and, while playing with it on his lunch break, accidentally shoots the family's mule, Jenny. The Dilemma: He's confronted with the choice of running away to escape the consequences or staying home to "be a man" and face his mistake, which is the exact emotional core you remember. It was first published in 1940 and is a staple in literature courses, particularly those focusing on African American literature or coming-of-age themes. Posted by: BifBewalski - at October 26, 2025 11:49 AM (QVmho) 331
The Haunting, The Innocents, Burn Witch Burn, The Legend of Hell House, Curse of the Demon.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 26, 2025 *** Solid choices all! Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 11:50 AM (omVj0) 332
305 By the way, is anyone surprised that the Louvre suspects were trying to flee to Algeria and Mali?
--------- I read the AP story on the arrest of the two suspects. (Don't worry, I washed my hands right after.) No suspect names are given and nowhere does the word Mali or Algeria appear. Odd omissions, I thought. Then a pop-up appeared shilling for a donation so that AP could continue in its sacred mission of reporting the hard facts untainted by bias or spin. You can't hate these people enough. Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 26, 2025 11:50 AM (0RiMX) 333
All Third World countries are Third World because they all have the Good Enough attitude.
And they are trying to bring it here. Posted by: the way I see it at October 26, 2025 11:51 AM (EYmYM) 334
read the AP story on the arrest of the two suspects. (Don't worry, I washed my hands right after.) No suspect names are given and nowhere does the word Mali or Algeria appear. Odd omissions, I thought.
== Motive unknown ! Posted by: runner at October 26, 2025 11:51 AM (g47mK) 335
310 Miss Linda asks if anyone has a recommendation for a ghost or horror film that is not too gory -- not a slasher film, in other words. I can think of The Others[/i w/ Nicole Kidman as well as The Sixth Sense. Anyh others?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 11:39 AM "The Black Phone" on Amazon is good without being gory. A guy called the Grabber takes a young boy and has him in a hidden room. Previous dead victimes call the boy on a black phone and try to help him escape. Fantastic performances by the kids. Madeleine McGraw stole the movie as the boy's sister Gwen who has visions and curses like a sailor, even during prayers. She won a Chainsaw Horror award for her performance. The sequel is in theaters now. Fun fact..Madeleine's younger sister Violet is the star of horrow movie M3gan. Posted by: Posted by: Stateless - VERY GRATEFUL, BLESSED, LOVED AND HAPPY! -- - New Life Creation - 18.1% at October 26, 2025 11:51 AM (Sco7b) 336
Wolfus, the Winchesters on the recommendation of Quincey!
I did not know that PBS had done it--thank you, I will look it up! Posted by: barbarausa at October 26, 2025 *** It's from the late '70s. They even have Jourdan dressed all in black in multiple scenes, exactly as Stoker described. Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 11:52 AM (omVj0) 337
What was the motive for robbing the Louvre of hundreds of millions worth of precious jewels ?
--AP Posted by: runner at October 26, 2025 11:52 AM (g47mK) 338
Here's some horror novels that you probably haven't read before:
"Last Days" by Brian Evenson very creepy and disturbing as a detective tries to infiltrate an apocalyptic amputation cult. Would make a great movie. Three Novels by Richard Laymon (Dollar Store Stephen King) The Traveling Vampire Show (probably his best) One Rainy Night (black rain brings doom and death. Can it be stopped? A real banger.) One Night in Lonesome October (kind of long and meandering but it gets under your skin and has a well-done ending) Posted by: naturalfake at October 26, 2025 11:52 AM (iJfKG) Posted by: BifBewalski - at October 26, 2025 11:52 AM (QVmho) 340
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Don't recall that story at all. Took a black lit course in college, and Richard Wright was there but the selection was his novel Native Son; don't remember his short fiction being in the anthology used in the class. Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 26, 2025 11:53 AM (q3u5l) 341
Posted by: runner at October 26, 2025 11:49 AM (g47m
Because America gives the opportunity for anyone to become the next Vanderbilt or JP Morgan ? Posted by: the way I see it at October 26, 2025 11:54 AM (EYmYM) 342
Wolfus, you could always suggest The Ghost and Mrs. Muir...
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'Bout time for me to shuffle off and do some chores, all. Enjoy the reading, and welcome back, Perfessor! Another fun Book Thread for sure!
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 11:55 AM (omVj0) 344
Miss Linda asks if anyone has a recommendation for a ghost or horror film that is not too gory -- not a slasher film, in other words. I can think of The Others[/i w/ Nicole Kidman as well as The Sixth Sense. Anyh others?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 11:39 AM (omVj0) The two films I just watched, "Weapons" and "Bring Her Back" would not qualify as "not too gory," but they are both more character studies than outright horror. Highly recommended, both of them. Posted by: BurtTC at October 26, 2025 11:55 AM (MLrwE) 345
Good to see you back in top form, Perfesser!
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310 Miss Linda asks if anyone has a recommendation for a ghost or horror film that is not too gory -- not a slasher film, in other words. I can think of The Others[/i w/ Nicole Kidman as well as The Sixth Sense. Anyh others?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 11:39 AM (omVj0) Hmm. The Exorcist and Exorcist 3 come to mind, there's less gore than suggestion. In the Mouth of Madness. The Legend of Hell House. The Omen. The Shining R-Point Poltergeist The Haunting Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at October 26, 2025 11:55 AM (xcxpd) 347
All Third World countries are Third World because they all have the Good Enough attitude. And they are trying to bring it here. Posted by: the way I see it at October 26, 2025 11:51 AM (EYmYM) Yup. But there's another comparison. If you go to most poor countries (for instance, in my experience, Mexico or Slovakia, or Italy), you do see a lot of people working very, very hard. In a stupid way, because they aren't trying to think of "Step 2." It's all first-order thinking: "how do I get through my day's work and go to bed, so I can work tomorrow, and so my kids can live this way forever." Arabs haven't even hit on Step 1. I'm no fan of bringing in backward Latins, but at least they work. Arabs have nothing to offer anyone. Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 26, 2025 11:56 AM (BI5O2) 348
On that happy note, it's off to spread havoc here at Casa Some Guy.
Thanks for the thread, Perfessor. Welcome back. Have a good one, gang, and enjoy bunches of scary books and movies for Halloween. Posted by: Just Some Guy at October 26, 2025 11:57 AM (q3u5l) 349
Took a black lit course in college, and Richard Wright was there but the selection was his novel Native Son; don't remember his short fiction being in the anthology used in the class.
Posted by: Just Some Guy Grad school was where i ran into him. It was a 800 class and focused on short stories, and letters between the authors where they critiqued each other's works. Text book was paperback, about 5 inches thick, almost u.s. letter sized and printed on very fine onion skin tissue paper pages. Well over a 1000 pages of good quality american literature. Wish I still had that text book. Posted by: BifBewalski - at October 26, 2025 11:57 AM (QVmho) 350
338 Here's some horror novels that you probably haven't read before:
"Last Days" by Brian Evenson very creepy and disturbing as a detective tries to infiltrate an apocalyptic amputation cult. Would make a great movie. Three Novels by Richard Laymon (Dollar Store Stephen King) The Traveling Vampire Show (probably his best) One Rainy Night (black rain brings doom and death. Can it be stopped? A real banger.) One Night in Lonesome October (kind of long and meandering but it gets under your skin and has a well-done ending) Posted by: naturalfake at October 26, 2025 11:52 AM (iJfKG) I like Evenson and Laymon, both tend to have some explicit sex along with explict violence. If you can handle that, Laymon's Beast House trilogy does sexual/monster horror better than anyone ever has. It does cross several boundaries though, especially the first book, so be warned. Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at October 26, 2025 11:57 AM (xcxpd) 351
Funny that the movie Bram Stoker's Dracula starred the actors conventional wisdom said are the best and worst actor today.
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Miss Linda asks if anyone has a recommendation for a ghost or horror film that is not too gory -- not a slasher film, in other words. I can think of The Others[/i w/ Nicole Kidman as well as The Sixth Sense. Anyh others?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 26, 2025 11:39 AM (omVj0) "In the Mouth of Madness" "The Empty Man" "Ghost Story" Each have a moment or two of light gore but don't revel in it. Posted by: naturalfake at October 26, 2025 11:58 AM (iJfKG) 353
Based on my 349, what would future grad students think if they could map this blog and our social interactions, to our manuscripts, and e-mails between each other? I'd take that class. Very entertaining. Posted by: BifBewalski - at October 26, 2025 11:59 AM (QVmho) 354
The two films I just watched, "Weapons" and "Bring Her Back" would not qualify as "not too gory," but they are both more character studies than outright horror.
Highly recommended, both of them. Posted by: BurtTC at October 26, 2025 11:55 AM (MLrwE) I would also recommend the Mike Flanagan short series, "Haunting of Hill House," "Fall Of the House Of Usher, "and "Midnight Mass." None of them have much gore, all unique takes on familiar stories. Posted by: BurtTC at October 26, 2025 11:59 AM (MLrwE) 355
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When all 4 of my grandparents came over from Ireland that country was considered 3rd world. And 2 of them didn't speak English well. Most migrants today speak better English than they did None went to high school About 1/3 of their children went beyond high school Posted by: Aliassmithsmith at October 26, 2025 11:59 AM (Lb6rt) Posted by: Skip at October 26, 2025 12:01 PM (+qU29) Posted by: Tuna at October 26, 2025 12:01 PM (lJ0H4) 358
I read "The Dolorous Passion of Our Lord Jesus Christ" this week by Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich. Mel Gibson used some of this material in "The Passion of the Christ" and I understand that he will be using more of it in "The Resurrection of the Christ."
While it is a private revelation and therefore not dogma and the faithful are free to believe it or not, it is very fascinating. Posted by: no one of any consequence at October 26, 2025 12:01 PM (W7XSX) 359
"In the Mouth of Madness"
"The Empty Man" "Ghost Story" Each have a moment or two of light gore but don't revel in it. Posted by: naturalfake at October 26, 2025 11:58 AM (iJfKG) I thought Ghost Story's "special effects" were pretty grotesque even if there wasn't a lot of blood. Can't beat the last film of Astaire, Houseman, Melvin Douglas, Fairbanks, and Patricia Neal for a nice cast. Posted by: night lifted at October 26, 2025 12:03 PM (/YboP) 360
George Curzon as Foreign Minister was the primary backer of the Kenya Railway project, and his detractor wrote:
What it will cost no words can express, What is its object no brain can suppose, Where it will start from no one can guess, Where it is going to nobody knows, What is the use of it none can conjecture, What it will carry there’s none can define, And in spite of George Curzon’s superior lecture, It clearly is naught but a lunatic line. You can 'understand' the modern Middle East with just a careful reading of Seven Pillars of Wisdom and its footnotes; in a similar vein, Africa in One Lesson can be divined from the book about that railroad, "The Lunatic Express." Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at October 26, 2025 12:03 PM (zdLoL) 361
Posted by: Aliassmithsmith at October 26, 2025 11:59 AM (Lb6rt)
And yet you are still a retard and Ireland is still fucked up. Understanding Cause and effect is definitely not the Left's strong suit. Posted by: the way I see it at October 26, 2025 12:03 PM (EYmYM) 362
328 Cowdemon, IIRC the PRC has two currencies, the onshore Yuan and the international Yuan. That avoids the problem of an overly strong currency at home disincentivizing manufacturing, while backing it with a controllable international currency.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 26, 2025 11:48 AM (rbvCR) I have never heard of this. Now, I do know the HKD remains and will, I suppose, until 2047. Posted by: Cow Demon at October 26, 2025 12:03 PM (vwL3N) Posted by: All Hail Eris,, coming to you live from the Roller Disco of Discord! at October 26, 2025 12:03 PM (kpS4V) Posted by: one hour sober at October 26, 2025 12:04 PM (Y1sOo) 365
Mildred Taylor has a bunch of young adult black novels, based on her family's oral histories of post-Civil War through Depression rural Georgia.
I read them as a teen and enjoyed them very much. Funny aside re Bram Stoker's Dracula: an Olympics or two ago (the one with the bubblebutt gay skater who got wall to wall coverage even though he didn't do tricks high-scoring enough to even place/even if done perfectly), Johnny Weir wore a smock-type satin getup for his commentating, and unfortunately (or perhaps on purpose? he's a prankster, so hard to tell) paired it with a high pompadour hairdo. Could not unsee Gary Oldman as the count. Posted by: barbarausa at October 26, 2025 12:04 PM (enw9G) 366
Posted by: Aliassmithsmith at October 26, 2025 11:59 AM (Lb6rt)
And now you're here, after spending most of the weekdays posting disruptive bullshit. If your argument that the US was wise to let your family here . . . Posted by: gKWVE at October 26, 2025 12:06 PM (K7yuL) 367
When all 4 of my grandparents came over from Ireland that country was considered 3rd world. And 2 of them didn't speak English well. Most migrants today speak better English than they did None went to high school About 1/3 of their children went beyond high school Posted by: Aliassmithsmith at October 26, 2025 11:59 AM (Lb6rt) I know you're a troll, and now I know you're Irish. Two strikes. But I'll answer this. For all the racism toward the Irish in this country - and it was significant - they were able to thrive here. This is for a few reasons. 1.) They didn't speak worse English than modern immigrants. Even backwoods Gaelic-heavy speakers had more English than an over-the-river Mexican has. 2.) They had a Western overlord in Ireland, and at least understood modernity, even if they resented it, and once its benefits were finally open to them, they seized eagerly on them. They aren't so lazy and stupid. 3.) MOST IMPORTANTLY - there were longstanding, strong Irish and Scots-Irish communities in the US, dating back to the colonial period, and able to provide a beachhead for the flood of Irish after the famine. They helped them integrate and find jobs and learn to be American Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 26, 2025 12:07 PM (BI5O2) 368
364 Posted by: Aliassmithsmith
No one cares about your scum immigrant family members. Posted by: one hour sober at October 26, 2025 12:04 PM (Y1sOo) Indeed. My mother came here not knowing any English and had to learn the hard way. She (with the family) entered the country legally, from a country that was at war with this one a few short year before. What is the copramaniac's point? Posted by: Cow Demon at October 26, 2025 12:09 PM (vwL3N) 369
And yet you are still a retard and Ireland is still fucked up.
Understanding Cause and effect is definitely not the Left's strong suit. Posted by: the way I see it at October 26, 2025 12:03 PM (EYmYM) Ireland was England's first colony, and it was run for the benefit of the English ruling class, not the Irish who bore the burden of the misrule and economic stripping. Even when it was given its independence, it still was manipulated by the London banks and the interference by the English crown, and this manipulation continues to this day by London and Brussels. Posted by: Kindltot at October 26, 2025 12:19 PM (rbvCR) 370
I have never heard of this. Now, I do know the HKD remains and will, I suppose, until 2047.
Posted by: Cow Demon at October 26, 2025 12:03 PM (vwL3N) Economically they are still screwed up, but what they are doing is buying all the gold and silver they can get as backing for their currency, and they don't sell physical metal, only hypothecation and futures. Posted by: Kindltot at October 26, 2025 12:22 PM (rbvCR) 371
The cursing thing depends a lot on the genre. I like to read detective stories and police procedurals. And cops cuss a lot. Many time, with great innovation. It adds to the tone of the piece. I agree that it can be distracting in other genres, like SciFi.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at October 26, 2025 12:28 PM (syz1S) 372
My most recent people came here before the War Between The States. No illegal Eromeros as far as I know.
Posted by: Eromero at October 26, 2025 12:29 PM (jgmnb) 373
Welcome back, Perfessor & Huggy Squirrel!
DD#2 and I are heading to Southern Oregon tomorrow to take care of some family business. Since Hubs is not traveling with us, I may get to finish the audiobook of Moonflower Murders. The myster-within-a-mystery is really very clever and interesting; I just haven't been going to the gym lately. Posted by: March Hare at October 26, 2025 01:36 PM (O/GSq) 374
306 293 -- Had to go to Amazon to get it as my mother's copy was the one I read. And, have to admit that not much else about the book registered; but that one thought ... wow! Maybe it's time to re-read the book to see what else I'm now ready for ...
298 ... the way. Thanks for the notice. I really wasn't begging for notice but it's always nice to Posted by: CarlosinIdaho at October 26, 2025 01:58 PM (2q+XZ) 375
Re: 298, I would have noticed your reply earlier if you'd said, in true Moron fashion, "First!!!!!!"
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Donald Westlake's novel "Put a Lid on It" (not Dortmunder) spent nearly the whole book plotting the theft, but the actual crime was just breaking open cabinet doors and smashing glass fronts. Took half a chapter. Anticlimactic.
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Welcome back Perfessor!
I started rereading Accelerando by Charles Stross yesterday. Loved the Macx short stories when they were serialized; the book slows down in the middle, and Stross' commie-ness only gets in the way a little, but his predictions from 20 years ago were interesting. Some solid, some daft, as is always the case. Posted by: Mngiggle at October 26, 2025 06:06 PM (Pf1Ma) 379
De-lurking to recommend a non-fiction book, "The Art of War in the Western World" by Archer Jones. You know how certain video strategy games (both Real-Time and Turn-Based) have an element of Rock-Paper-Scissors amongst unit types? It turns out that there's an element of that in historical combat (not enough to entirely determine the results, but certainly sufficient to influence them). This book is voluminous but easy to read, and covers everything from how and why the phalanx worked up to grand strategy, operational maneuver, and that thing that professionals supposedly study (logistics). It covers the Bronze Age to the late Cold War, selecting what are basically tiny case studies that exemplify warfare as it develops and evolves over the centuries. It's my go-to reference manual for how war "worked" at any given time and place.
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Star Trek the final frontier is easily the best of the trek novels (in my opinion) and would make a great movie away from feminine hands.
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Welcome back, Professor
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