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Albert Bierstadt--Storm in the Mountains.1870.jpg

Storm In The Mountains
Albert Bierstadt

Posted by: Open Blogger at 10:30 AM




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1 Good title.

Posted by: HH at April 11, 2016 10:28 AM (DrCtv)

2 Now THERE'S an allegory for our times.

Posted by: joncelli, Now 50% More Bilious! at April 11, 2016 10:30 AM (SEFXb)

3 That looks like the entrance to Hades. Not that I've ever been.

Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at April 11, 2016 10:30 AM (dFi94)

4 When you enlarge it it's quite impressive.

Posted by: HH at April 11, 2016 10:30 AM (DrCtv)

5 For everyone that was hoping for great.......tracts of land....

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 11, 2016 10:31 AM (Qvgg/)

6 Storm flag!

Posted by: IP at April 11, 2016 10:31 AM (aQQbl)

7 That's something else!

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at April 11, 2016 10:31 AM (eytER)

8 Nice Pic!

Posted by: Diogenes at April 11, 2016 10:32 AM (r65B3)

9 I think I even see Leonidas in the distance.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at April 11, 2016 10:32 AM (eytER)

10 This painting is how I feel on mondays.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at April 11, 2016 10:32 AM (KUaJL)

11 Is Bierstadt our all time favorite here at the HQ? He is certainly in the discussion.

Posted by: MTF at April 11, 2016 10:32 AM (/m8T6)

12 "[My worst mistake was] probably failing to plan for the day after for what I think was the right thing to do in intervening in Libya," Obama said on Fox News Sunday.


... you can tell his Administration is winding down .. just because he appeared on Fox.

Posted by: George Meany (AFL-CIO) at April 11, 2016 10:33 AM (e8kgV)

13 Trying to scale it to the trees. Holy moly.

Posted by: auscolpyr at April 11, 2016 10:33 AM (suO/a)

14 very appropriate picture.

Posted by: PaleRider at April 11, 2016 10:33 AM (3kUGE)

15 German. They know dark storm clouds when they see 'em.

Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at April 11, 2016 10:33 AM (dFi94)

16 Looking closely you can catch glimpses of the wizards balloon.

Posted by: Dorothy at April 11, 2016 10:34 AM (/m8T6)

17 So cool.

If I could paint, I would paint stuff like that.

If I could paint.

Posted by: Mortimer at April 11, 2016 10:34 AM (X/uTF)

18 Nice painting, I'd hang it.. and it seems there was a mistress involved here.
A metaphor maybe?

Posted by: IP at April 11, 2016 10:34 AM (aQQbl)

19 Frodo should have taken that left turn at Albuquerque on the way to Mt. Doom.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 11, 2016 10:34 AM (Xj72V)

20 Hey! Those mountains once belong to indigenous native peoples of color!

...and that's cultural appropriation, you racist.

Posted by: BLM Thug at April 11, 2016 10:34 AM (CUk0C)

21 City on the Edge of Forever?

Posted by: Mortimer at April 11, 2016 10:34 AM (X/uTF)

22 Very unique picture.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at April 11, 2016 10:35 AM (KCQo0)

23
But where are the Panzers?

Posted by: irongrampa at April 11, 2016 10:35 AM (P/8aq)

24 The earth and sky seem to come together to show us exactly how many voters the GOP wanted in Colorado's Rockies, and in the distance, a monolithic presence, kinda like the finger they are giving everyone.

Art!

Posted by: Diogenes at April 11, 2016 10:36 AM (r65B3)

25 Is that Kilimanjaro in the background?

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 11, 2016 10:36 AM (iONHu)

26 German farmers scramble to buy hail insurance.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 11, 2016 10:36 AM (UsLZp)

27 Any Colorado morons around? What happened in Colorado? I'm seeing a lot of ranting and raving and I'd like to know the nuts and bolts before I start barking about it.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 11, 2016 10:36 AM (4ErVI)

28 You do not want to be up in the mountains when something like that comes through.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 11, 2016 10:36 AM (vvmPQ)

29 Ithilien, the road to Morgul Vale.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - S'mores and Flamewars Supplies Available at The Outrage Outlet! at April 11, 2016 10:37 AM (hLRSq)

30 *Punches Bierstadt in the face*

Nothing personal, old buddy.

Posted by: @votermom at April 11, 2016 10:37 AM (nbrY/)

31 It is unfair to spot the sniper in this picture.

At this scale, I might spot the tank batallion.

What is that mountain through the clouds?

Posted by: Kindltot at April 11, 2016 10:37 AM (6DMur)

32 CBD let me guess, Beaker turned on the weather machine?

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 11, 2016 10:38 AM (Xj72V)

33 Matterhorn?

Posted by: davidt at April 11, 2016 10:38 AM (8aOqE)

34 What is that mountain through the clouds?
Posted by: Kindltot at April 11, 2016 10:37 AM (6DMur)

Valhalla

Posted by: @votermom at April 11, 2016 10:38 AM (nbrY/)

35 And that is what I have heading for me as I wait for the temps to come up enough to be comfortable moving the weeds.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at April 11, 2016 10:38 AM (vvmPQ)

36 That mountain in the background?

The logo for Paramount before it blew its top?

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 11, 2016 10:39 AM (Xj72V)

37 There's a storm coming. Wait, it's already here...

Posted by: Sarah Connor at April 11, 2016 10:39 AM (NOIQH)

38 That looks like a wormhole opening up. Or a Hell Mouth.

Posted by: Grump928(c) has a joke at April 11, 2016 10:40 AM (evdj2)

39 Tut tut... looks like rain.

Posted by: IP at April 11, 2016 10:40 AM (aQQbl)

40 There is a storm coming....

Posted by: American voters at April 11, 2016 10:41 AM (/m8T6)

41 So. Run like hell or pitch a tent and ride it out?

Posted by: joncelli, Now 50% More Bilious! at April 11, 2016 10:41 AM (SEFXb)

42 German bakers bring their cakes in.

Posted by: auscolpyr at April 11, 2016 10:41 AM (suO/a)

43 Yep, Monday.

Posted by: eman at April 11, 2016 10:41 AM (MQEz6)

44 That would make a good book cover.
(as it is rendered on this old, gassy, obsolete CRT)

Ramp up the black to make it an abstract design with only the streak of red and the streak of white.

.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at April 11, 2016 10:41 AM (Rho3Y)

45 If I turn my head just right, I can make out Frodo and Sam, and Gollum... sneaking.

Posted by: kraken at April 11, 2016 10:41 AM (sdxPm)

46 Complimentary art?

http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/selection-du-weekend-187-76.jpg

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 11, 2016 10:41 AM (Xj72V)

47

October 1939--The Gathering Storm.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 11, 2016 10:41 AM (P/8aq)

48 Ironic my phone just alerted me to a freeze warning for tonight. Central Iowa, where it was 72 yesterday.

Posted by: IP at April 11, 2016 10:42 AM (aQQbl)

49 So. Run like hell or pitch a tent and ride it out?

Tie yourself to a tree.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at April 11, 2016 10:42 AM (evdj2)

50 I see a red cabin and a figure near it.

Posted by: eman at April 11, 2016 10:43 AM (MQEz6)

51 I don't think the heavy stuff will come down for a while.

Posted by: C. Spackler at April 11, 2016 10:43 AM (aQQbl)

52 I couldn't find any information about this specific painting, but rest assured it is in the American West.

No panty-waisted Alps for him.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 11, 2016 10:44 AM (Zu3d9)

53 Looks like a tidal wave.

By the way, a friend asked me and I don't know--what's the difference between a tidal wave and a tsunami? I thought a tidal wave was a single wave and a tsunami was multiple waves, but I don't really know.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 11, 2016 10:44 AM (TFxjY)

54 I have to say though, that looks like a Class M planet on the other side of the hole. It might be worth a look.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at April 11, 2016 10:44 AM (evdj2)

55 50 I see a red cabin and a figure near it.

Posted by: eman at April 11, 2016 10:43 AM (MQEz6)

Hopefully they have firewood and supplies laid in.

Posted by: joncelli, Now 50% More Bilious! at April 11, 2016 10:45 AM (SEFXb)

56 Yeah it "might" rain, but we can get 9 holes in.....

Posted by: kraken at April 11, 2016 10:45 AM (sdxPm)

57 before I start barking about it.
Arf! Arf!

Posted by: hilllary at April 11, 2016 10:45 AM (3MK6t)

58 Better get the cattle into the kitchen.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 11, 2016 10:45 AM (sl+zA)

59 This is what happened in the last thread when Helen Hayes cooked those steaks.

Posted by: OregonMuse at April 11, 2016 10:46 AM (PwHBA)

60 It's Colorado.

The Cannabis Mountains.

Posted by: eman at April 11, 2016 10:46 AM (MQEz6)

61 Is it Grand Targhee of the Tetons?

(Can't be Valhalla, don't see any rainbow in that bridge structure)

Posted by: Kindltot at April 11, 2016 10:46 AM (6DMur)

62 Holy shit. I zoomed and see the houses. That's some big shit coming.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at April 11, 2016 10:46 AM (evdj2)

63 Say.. whatever happened to RDBrewer?

Is he not hanging around here anymore? or, just not doing these artsy open threads?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 11, 2016 10:47 AM (so+oy)

64 Storm In The Mountains

"Al Gore's Carbon Footprint"

Posted by: OregonMuse at April 11, 2016 10:47 AM (PwHBA)

65
Trivia: There is a Mount Bierstadt in Colorado, named after the artist of course, not, ya know, BeerTown.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 11, 2016 10:47 AM (ODxAs)

66 Well hell, just washed the car..... every.damned. time.

Posted by: kraken at April 11, 2016 10:47 AM (sdxPm)

67 Looks like a tidal wave.

By the way, a friend
asked me and I don't know--what's the difference between a tidal wave
and a tsunami? I thought a tidal wave was a single wave and a tsunami
was multiple waves, but I don't really know.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 11, 2016 10:44 AM (TFxjY)


officially, the tidal wave is the highest wave of each tide - the peak of the rise.
a tsunami ("harbor wave" from Japanese) is a giant wave caused by an earthquake or other disruption.

They are used the same, so whatever.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 11, 2016 10:48 AM (6DMur)

68 what's the difference between a tidal wave and a tsunami?

Tidal waves are just normal waves.

Posted by: no good deed at April 11, 2016 10:48 AM (GgxVX)

69 Very lovely painting. I really like the Hudson River School artists. Thanks for posting it, CBD.

You're doing a lot of work here, CBD. You deserve a 100% salary increase. ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 11, 2016 10:48 AM (w4NZ8)

70 Dorothy!

Posted by: eman at April 11, 2016 10:48 AM (MQEz6)

71 Are those Orcs assembling on the plain?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 11, 2016 10:48 AM (9mTYi)

72 I have a place to stay not far from here. Mom will cook you a fine dinner, follow me.

Posted by: Norman Bates at April 11, 2016 10:48 AM (aQQbl)

73 Storm In The Mountains

"Lena Dunham's Yeast Infection"

Posted by: OregonMuse at April 11, 2016 10:49 AM (PwHBA)

74 You know, now that I think about, these #NeverTrump people have a good point. There are county party members promising to vote for Cruz or Kasich in order to be appointed as delegates and they wouldn't lie or change their minds. So it's pretty much a lock that Trump isn't going win.



On a totally different, non-related note:

Isn't it about time we have a AoSHQ meet-up poker game?

Posted by: jwest at April 11, 2016 10:49 AM (Zs4uk)

75 Tetons or Teutons?

Posted by: andycanuck at April 11, 2016 10:49 AM (3MK6t)

76 Bierstadt painted allegorical mountains of grandeur and majesty with no known actual basis in reality, largely from the fevered imaginings of his tortured soul. He was the personification of Rocky Mountain "High" almost a century before John Denver.


Having said that, I rather like his paintings.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 11, 2016 10:50 AM (lHb9q)

77 What happened in CO is that Cruz got a winner take all scenario. (w/o being at the convention) But the caucus was close to a 3-way tie for Cruz/Rubio/Trump with a smattering for katshit. Delegates were not bound by the caucus preference polls and at the convention Cruz got all the delegates. GOP leadership in this state is idiotic and they (or a Trumpian stirring up shit who had access to the account) tweeted a stupid #never Trump hashtag.

WASTF, the GOP has & will manage to stir up so many hurt feelings that even if Cruz gets the nom, enough Trump supporters will stay home to ensure Hillary gets in. If Sanders ends up with the DNC nom, the GOPe may regret this but they won't be able to correct things.

Posted by: PaleRider at April 11, 2016 10:50 AM (3kUGE)

78 Ought to be an alternate cover for The Return of the King

Posted by: Bigby's Bitter Clingin' Hands at April 11, 2016 10:50 AM (3ZtZW)

79 Cloud? What cloud? You mean like a storm cloud?

Posted by: Granny Clinton at April 11, 2016 10:50 AM (UzPAd)

80 Storm In The Mountains

"The Shire's Annual Pipeweed Festival"

Posted by: OregonMuse at April 11, 2016 10:51 AM (PwHBA)

81 74 You know, now that I think about, these #NeverTrump people have a good point. There are county party members promising to vote for Cruz or Kasich in order to be appointed as delegates and they wouldn't lie or change their minds. So it's pretty much a lock that Trump isn't going win.



On a totally different, non-related note:

Isn't it about time we have a AoSHQ meet-up poker game?
Posted by: jwest at April 11, 2016 10:49 AM (Zs4uk)

Wouldn't that just devolve into a drunken brawl/orgy?

Posted by: joncelli, Now 50% More Bilious! at April 11, 2016 10:51 AM (SEFXb)

82 How about tidal bores?

Posted by: andycanuck at April 11, 2016 10:51 AM (3MK6t)

83 I am soooo screwed.

Posted by: Waldo, down in the valley, the valley so low.. at April 11, 2016 10:51 AM (326rv)

84 Reminds me of a hot dog down a hallway, if you know what I mean. Seriously, it's that bad...

Posted by: Hillbilly Bill C, anonymous ex-President at April 11, 2016 10:52 AM (gs8be)

85 There goes the stroll into Mordor.

Posted by: eman at April 11, 2016 10:52 AM (MQEz6)

86 Tetons or Teutons?

Posted by: andycanuck at April 11, 2016 10:49 AM (3MK6t)


They're real, and they're grand.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 11, 2016 10:52 AM (UsLZp)

87 Only kidding about #83.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 11, 2016 10:52 AM (3MK6t)

88 Don't worry Waldo, someone will find.... oh nevermind

Posted by: IP at April 11, 2016 10:52 AM (aQQbl)

89 You know, now that I think about, these #NeverTrump people have a good point. There are county party members promising to vote for Cruz or Kasich in order to be appointed as delegates and they wouldn't lie or change their minds. So it's pretty much a lock that Trump isn't going win.
.............
How badly (and easily) Trump got rolled in Colorado is yet another indicator that he doesn't take this whole thing seriously.

Who will have to babysit him in the White House making sure stuff gets done?

Will he get bored soon after inauguration?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 11, 2016 10:53 AM (so+oy)

90
It's a hard rain's a-gonna fall

Posted by: Bob Zimmerman at April 11, 2016 10:53 AM (9mTYi)

91 Full speed ahead, Bitchez!!

Posted by: Weasel at April 11, 2016 10:53 AM (6xtq3)

92 Just another scope- eye colonoscopy view....

Posted by: kraken at April 11, 2016 10:54 AM (sdxPm)

93 What happened in CO is that Cruz got a winner take all scenario. (w/o being at the convention) But the caucus was close to a 3-way tie for Cruz/Rubio/Trump with a smattering for katshit. Delegates were not bound by the caucus preference polls and at the convention Cruz got all the delegates. GOP leadership in this state is idiotic and they (or a Trumpian stirring up shit who had access to the account) tweeted a stupid #never Trump hashtag.

Wait.. The delegates were selected/got their instructions at the convention, not through the polls?

If so, then why have them?

Posted by: Waldo, down in the valley, the valley so low.. at April 11, 2016 10:54 AM (326rv)

94 I should clarify that *I* was not at the convention.

Posted by: PaleRider at April 11, 2016 10:54 AM (3kUGE)

95 This is why underground bunkers are worth the effort.

Posted by: eman at April 11, 2016 10:55 AM (MQEz6)

96 Who will have to babysit him in the White House making sure stuff gets done?

Will he get bored soon after inauguration?
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry

I could give him a teddy bear. I still have some.

Posted by: Sen Serious Cruz at April 11, 2016 10:55 AM (326rv)

97 When you enlarge it it's quite impressive.

Posted by: HH at April 11, 2016 10:30 AM (DrCtv)

That's what SHE said!

Posted by: fly gal at April 11, 2016 10:55 AM (8TdcF)

98 Mmm. Bierstadt.

Posted by: homer simpson at April 11, 2016 10:55 AM (3MK6t)

99 Oh forget it, I give up. Every gosh darn thread has to immediately devolve to Trump/Cruz/Kodos!

Congratulations I am sick of it and the people who seem stuck permanently in a self-reinforcing loop of angsty navel gazing while screaming 'The end is nigh!'

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 11, 2016 10:56 AM (Xj72V)

100 Then end is nigh!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: IP at April 11, 2016 10:56 AM (aQQbl)

101 >>> Delegates were not bound by the caucus preference polls and at the
convention Cruz got all the delegates. GOP leadership in this state is
idiotic <<<

So they were dipping into the magic brownies again?

Posted by: Fritz at April 11, 2016 10:57 AM (UzPAd)

102 Thanks to everyone who bought my book 'A Taste of Imagination' from yesterday's book thread.


I hope you find the stories entertaining.

Thanks to vmom for her encouragement.

Thanks to Ace for the book thread.

Gotta do chores.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at April 11, 2016 10:57 AM (Rho3Y)

103 Going to Colorado in a couple. Looking forward to being that fly on the wall, listening to the twaddle that some Prog Denverite associates will be dishing.
Every time I go there, it's more Southern Cali.

Posted by: kraken at April 11, 2016 10:57 AM (sdxPm)

104 Crap, a typo and a sock fail.

Posted by: IP at April 11, 2016 10:57 AM (aQQbl)

105 First remove Trump, then remove Cruz, then pay off Katshit with a Star Wars toy, then Ryan/Haley 2016.

gope gotta gope, yo

Posted by: eman at April 11, 2016 10:58 AM (MQEz6)

106 Blucher!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 11, 2016 10:58 AM (UsLZp)

107 Nigh the end is, hmm.

Posted by: Yoda at April 11, 2016 10:58 AM (evdj2)

108 What happened in CO is that Cruz got a winner take all scenario. (w/o being at the convention)
--

There were district meetings at which district level delegates were voted upon by the attendees. Cruz's teams were better-organized in terms of having people run for those slots and passing out lists to the voters of who were their preferred delegates.

Then there was a state-wide convention which Ted Cruz DID attend. He was the only one attending that. It was a very Cruz-friendly crowd, not at all split. The attendees to that convention voted for delegates. Cruz's campaign had volunteers in bright-orange t-shirts with the names of their preferred slate of delegates printed on the back. Other candidates had incorrect lists passed out or no lists at all.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 11, 2016 10:59 AM (t5zYU)

109
American yogurt tycoon vows to choke U.S. with Muslims

http://goo.gl/5uI2Kl

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 11, 2016 10:59 AM (iQIUe)

110 Looking forward to being that fly on the wall, listening to the twaddle that some Prog Denverite associates will be dishing.


On the bright side, weed!

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at April 11, 2016 10:59 AM (evdj2)

111 Where's my kite?!!

Posted by: Ben Franklin at April 11, 2016 10:59 AM (MQEz6)

112 Do not go gentle into that good nigh

Posted by: Bob Zimmerman at April 11, 2016 11:00 AM (9mTYi)

113 ...stuck permanently in a self-reinforcing loop of angsty navel gazing...

****


I gave up navel gazing for lint.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 11, 2016 11:00 AM (lHb9q)

114 .

Posted by: eman at April 11, 2016 11:00 AM (MQEz6)

115 Ach! Muldooooooooon!

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at April 11, 2016 11:01 AM (evdj2)

116 When I'm President, all houses will be red!

Posted by: Bernie at April 11, 2016 11:01 AM (9mTYi)

117 Posted by: PaleRider at April 11, 2016 10:50 AM (3kUGE)

Trump supporters were going to stay home no matter what unless Trump was handed the nomination without a fight. They wanted a coronation months ago. Trump himself hinted ( wink wink) that there would be riots if he didn't get the nomination.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at April 11, 2016 11:01 AM (tm6wE)

118 Stawm's a-comin

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 11, 2016 11:01 AM (xuouz)

119 109
American yogurt tycoon vows to choke U.S. with Muslims

http://goo.gl/5uI2Kl
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 11, 2016 10:59 AM (iQIUe)
Drano and a snake.

Posted by: kraken at April 11, 2016 11:01 AM (sdxPm)

120 Blucher!
Neigh! Neigh!

Why did I just do that?

Posted by: john kerry at April 11, 2016 11:01 AM (3MK6t)

121 American yogurt tycoon vows to choke U.S. with Muslims

http://goo.gl/5uI2Kl

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 11, 2016 10:59 AM (iQIUe)


Why? Choking Americans with spoiled milk is enough?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 11, 2016 11:01 AM (UsLZp)

122 The caucus was to select delegates. CO did not want Rubio delegates bound to him after he dropped out. So the tiny fraction of people that showed up had the opportunity to pick folks who they thought would best mirror their thinking when the candidate pool had thinned out. There was nothing nefarious, just typical Colorado GOP bungling.

This is the state that let the Dems sneak a con man into the GOP governor race riding on Tea Party, lets have an outsider, sentiment in 2010, leading to Tancredo running as Constitution Party and losing to Hickenlooper. That scared the GOP, but their cure was not to set up some vetting procedure before allowing folks to run under the party banner but to make the caucus preference polls non-binding.

Posted by: PaleRider at April 11, 2016 11:01 AM (3kUGE)

123 ..then pay off Katshit with a Star Wars toy..
Posted by: eman at April 11, 2016 10:58 AM (MQEz6)

It's the truck what delivered the first of the month checks in 12 parsecs. It's fast enough for you, old man.

Posted by: John Kasich at April 11, 2016 11:02 AM (gs8be)

124 Yes, You Really Can Buy This Donald Trump Butt Plug


http://tinyurl.com/j3x8f2e

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 11, 2016 11:02 AM (/D5Lf)

125 @ 99

Thank you, Anna.

Well said.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 11, 2016 11:02 AM (P/8aq)

126 The first chance I get, I'll be moving out of CO.

Posted by: scrood at April 11, 2016 11:03 AM (3b9U4)

127 I saw a group photo of several celebrity "I Love Science" types the other day. The one on the end was Nye.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 11, 2016 11:03 AM (lHb9q)

128 Yes, You Really Can Buy This Donald Trump Butt Plug


http://tinyurl.com/j3x8f2e

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at April 11, 2016 11:02 AM (/D5Lf)


Oh Reggie, we have a new toy!

Posted by: Barack Obama, manly man at April 11, 2016 11:04 AM (UsLZp)

129 Bierstadt = Beertown

Posted by: Chris M at April 11, 2016 11:04 AM (k3w9p)

130 "I could give him a teddy bear. I still have some."

Not to mention all the cheap, foreign labor I'll bring in for him. Of course, once we finalize the North American Union a lot of them won't be considered foreign.
And they lied to me about TPA and TPP but I won't get fooled in the oval office like #NeverTrump would.

Posted by: teej at April 11, 2016 11:04 AM (YtsCi)

131 We have a Bierstadt print. "A Storm in the Rocky Mountains." My husband was so taken with the storm over the mountains, he missed the deer slaughter taking place in the foreground.

Posted by: no good deed at April 11, 2016 11:05 AM (GgxVX)

132 99 Oh forget it, I give up. Every gosh darn thread has to immediately devolve to Trump/Cruz/Kodos!

Congratulations I am sick of it and the people who seem stuck permanently in a self-reinforcing loop of angsty navel gazing while screaming 'The end is nigh!'
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 11, 2016 10:56 AM (Xj72V)

Nah, don't go. Just talk past it, about whatever else there is to talk about. I'm past caring because Sisyphus or something, and like that tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury something something.....l

Posted by: kraken at April 11, 2016 11:05 AM (sdxPm)

133 I checked this morning to see what KY's delegate selection system is. We had a type of caucus last month. Since that time the county and district GOPers have been meeting to select delegates. Sadly, I missed the window for my district or I would have run to be a delegate.

In KY the delegates appear to be bound on the first ballot, but then are free-agents. I hope Cruz has some sort of organization working on that. The Cruz folks I met at the caucus last month were Tea Party people who seemed very grassroots, but organized enough to get credentialed for a table at the caucus. Fingers crossed. My county (Rand country) went to Cruz.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 11, 2016 11:05 AM (t5zYU)

134 Don't blame me. I voted for Kodos the Executioner.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 11, 2016 11:06 AM (FkBIv)

135 124 Yes, You Really Can Buy This Donald Trump Butt Plug

Crap I chipped a tooth

Posted by: Hannity ! at April 11, 2016 11:06 AM (gs8be)

136 What the GOP didn't realize is if you lie to, insult, and betray people for a few decades, nobody trusts you.*

*This rule does not apply to Democrats.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at April 11, 2016 11:06 AM (Nwg0u)

137 Who runs Beertown?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 11, 2016 11:07 AM (FkBIv)

138 Trump supporters were going to stay home no matter what unless Trump was handed the nomination without a fight. They wanted a coronation months ago. Trump himself hinted ( wink wink) that there would be riots if he didn't get the nomination.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at April 11, 2016 11:01 AM (tm6wE)

Blowout win over Strawman University.

No contest.

Stop hitting them, Joe, those strawmen are all dead.

You have achieved ultimate victory in the political universe within your own mind.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 11, 2016 11:07 AM (xuouz)

139 Nice global warming picture.

Posted by: Roy at April 11, 2016 11:07 AM (VndSC)

140 Morning all. Still stuck in my bunker here at Portsmouth

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 11, 2016 11:07 AM (8a1xR)

141 Eric and Ivanka Trump won't be eligible to vote for their father in the closed Republican Party primary after missing the deadline to register with a political party, according to their dad.

It seems that New York has some of the most regressive voter re-registration laws in the country. You'd think New York was run by EVIL Republicans.

The deadline for registered voters to change party enrollment was Oct. 9, 2015, more than six months ago. The deadline to register as a new voter was March 25.

Posted by: Mario Cuomo at April 11, 2016 11:08 AM (e8kgV)

142 full of sound and fury something something.....l
Posted by: kraken at April 11, 2016 11:05 AM (sdxPm)

"Full of sound and fury, signifying something"

is the full quote. You were close.

It's a great quote, very meaningful.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 11, 2016 11:08 AM (xuouz)

143 The Weather Channel has named that storm - Bernie.

Posted by: Roy at April 11, 2016 11:08 AM (VndSC)

144 "Choking Muslims"". ( thinks, ponders, types, deletes, ....) considers embannening....

Posted by: kraken at April 11, 2016 11:08 AM (sdxPm)

145 I think Drudge reads comments here he's really pouring it on about Trump. I think just to stomp his foot like a 14 year old girl drama queen.

Posted by: Seems legit at April 11, 2016 11:10 AM (U+nHb)

146 teej I'm taking you up on that offer in the last thread.

idk when though. Gotta stick out my undercover job deep behind enemy lines here in Newton, MA

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 11, 2016 11:10 AM (xuouz)

147 What the GOP didn't realize is if you lie to, insult, and betray people for a few decades, nobody trusts you.*

*This rule does not apply to Democrats.----------Anonosaurus Wrecks

The dem voters are who inspired the GOP to try. Being the GOP, they screwed it up.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale Unleashed at April 11, 2016 11:11 AM (m3iiU)

148 Joe, well the GOP would prefer to be minority party at a huge government trough than have someone who might shrink the trough so they won't twist Kasich's arm to drop out and possible let Cruz win straight up and have a good shot in the general.

*but a number of them also do honestly fear that Trump would be really bad for the party and be bad for the country if elected.

*I* think a Trump presidency might stir congress to get off their fat arses and take back some of their job duties, but I also think that even more than "the mormon will take tampons off the grocery shelves" scare crap they had with Romney, a Trump nomination will get Dems out to vote against the scary monster although they have zero positive enthusiasm for Hildabeast.

Posted by: PaleRider at April 11, 2016 11:11 AM (3kUGE)

149 "Full of sound and fury, signifying something"


is the full quote.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 11, 2016 11:08 AM (xuouz)

Shakespeare might disagree.

"It is a tale, told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 11, 2016 11:12 AM (Zu3d9)

150 So the CO convention rules were available for months Trump again shits the bed and its the establishment rising up to block him...of course the establishment candidate for the CO R Senate race got crushed, but why mention that.

Its almost like someone made sure they had a strong grassroots ready to go...meanwhile another Presidential candidate can't even get his own children to properly register to vote for him in his home state.

I think I'll stick with the ruthlessly efficient grassroots builder...

Posted by: H Badger at April 11, 2016 11:13 AM (n/0Nw)

151 I'm currently being distracted by the eagles flying by, viewed while having yet another cup of coffee. Damned distractions of the real world. I shall resist.

Posted by: kraken at April 11, 2016 11:14 AM (sdxPm)

152 What the GOP didn't realize is if you lie to, insult, and betray people for a few decades, nobody trusts you.*

People, huh. You mean like 'voters'?



Who needs 'em.

Posted by: Mortimer at April 11, 2016 11:14 AM (X/uTF)

153 Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 11, 2016 11:07 AM (8a1xR)

You didn't miss much.

Although did you hear? Trump is running for president!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 11, 2016 11:14 AM (Zu3d9)

154 Flipping fone will only refresh once then I gotta post.
Just one of the things that happens when a $500 fone goes tu and you replace it with a "cheap" $100 fone.

Posted by: teej at April 11, 2016 11:14 AM (YtsCi)

155 Nice pic, but I've surfed bigger.

Posted by: Laird Hamilton at April 11, 2016 11:16 AM (3U4+k)

156 Who runs Beertown?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 11, 2016 11:07 AM (FkBIv)

A little brewery from New England called Ballast Point just got sold to whatever holding company (constellation?) that owns Heineken.

For a billion dollars. With a B.

Reminds me of that Chris Rock joke:
"Shaq is rich. The old white man that signs Shaq's checks is wealthy.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 11, 2016 11:16 AM (xuouz)

157 Devil's Arsehole purging the Big Rock Candy Mountain.....aaah that's better bitter......

Posted by: saf at April 11, 2016 11:16 AM (qKiBT)

158 99 Oh forget it, I give up. Every gosh darn thread has to immediately devolve to Trump/Cruz/Kodos!

Congratulations I am sick of it and the people who seem stuck permanently in a self-reinforcing loop of angsty navel gazing while screaming 'The end is nigh!'

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 11, 2016 10:56 AM (Xj72V)

In the end there's nothing but wreckage. A lot of self-congratulations on the #NeverTrump side because Cruz knew how to exploit the rules and Trump's voters now know that "YOUR VOTE COUNTS" is a total crock of shit.

Good luck contacting people who you've broken off friendship and contact with to "suck it up and unite against Hillary".

I know that Ted Cruz has been the "one TRUE conservative we've been waiting for!" but that's the anti GOPe Senator Cruz.
If Cruz doesn't get the 1237 delegates yet is close enough to make his dream come true, how much of that rock hard never compromise his values Cruz is negotiable to get the GOPe to put him over the top at the convention?

As dreamy as it is for conservatives, Cruz will have to compromise lots of his principles in order to get over the top at the convention. The GOPe will tell him it's his if he comes around to their way of thinking on Amnesty, TPP, foreign intervention, Ex-Im Bank, and the Debt Ceiling.

In short, you wouldn't getting the firebrand fighter Ted Cruz you saw in the Senate, you'd be getting a far less photogenic and charisma challenged version of Marco Rubio.

I'm sure you can sell that to the Trump voters who firmly oppose Amnesty and are no longer talking to you.

In the end, it's Queen Hillary any way you look at it. Not worth turning friends into enemies over.

Posted by: kbdabear at April 11, 2016 11:16 AM (Z5F5z)

159 At Drudge: 38 non-Trump links; 7 Trump links this morning; and that's after a weekend heavily-involving the nomination race due to the CO results being announced.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 11, 2016 11:16 AM (3MK6t)

160 The Weather Channel has named that storm - Bernie.

Posted by: Roy at April 11, 2016 11:08 AM (VndSC)

I checked the WC web site, all I see is an old guy with a bottle garden he hasn't watered in ages...looks like Bernie

Posted by: Colin at April 11, 2016 11:17 AM (6IZ5e)

161 77 "What happened in CO is that Cruz got a winner take all scenario."


This is still unclear.

4 of the delegates are not "promised" to anyone. 17 delegates were appointed on a pro-Cruz slate, but it's unclear if they are legally bound, like elected delegates, to vote for Cruz on the first ballot.

It appears that Colorado delegates have more autonomy and can vote their preference. Most (if not all) are party regulars and theoretically have no love for Cruz, just a mission from their bosses to stop Trump.

If Trump should get to some of them with promises of sugarplums, rainbows and big jobs, they might just tell the party to eat shit.

Right after they vote for Trump on the first ballot.

While jaws drop around the convention center.

As the Assistant State Party Leader responsible for picking these guys is dragged to the parking lot of the convention center by RNC officials.

Of course, the County Commissioner who promised to vote for Cruz could do just that, then go home to take the snow plows off the county trucks. He could rest easy knowing he kept his promise, instead of spending the next four years serviced by Trump's hookers as a $240K/yr. agency undersecretary.

Posted by: jwest at April 11, 2016 11:17 AM (Zs4uk)

162 WASTF, the GOP has & will manage to stir up so many hurt feelings that even if Cruz gets the nom, enough Trump supporters will stay home to ensure Hillary gets in.

====

I'm there, but it isn't hurt feelings that's the cause - its the destruction of the GOPe by any means necessary. Also, not staying home. I'll vote, just not for the GOP.

Besides, the GOPe seems perfectly fine with Hillary, so who cares?

Posted by: Bigby's Bitter Clingin' Hands at April 11, 2016 11:17 AM (3ZtZW)

163 Hey guys!

The GOP and me are BFFs now. Seriously.

No , really!


Posted by: Senator Popular at April 11, 2016 11:17 AM (X/uTF)

164 The difference between "tidal wave" and "tsunami":

In that big quake-caused Thailand flooding (Boxing Day several years ago now wasn't it?), first the ocean pulled 'way 'way back. Ignorant, curious people were wandering out onto the new beach, taking pix.

One tourist couple's little girl, remembering what her teacher had taught, kept telling her parents, "tsunami! it's a tsunami!" They had no idea what she was talking about.

Finally, the little girl said, "tidal wave!" And they ran for the hills and lived.

The difference is, most folks don't speak Japanese.

Posted by: mindful webworker - it's a wash at April 11, 2016 11:18 AM (f/e+k)

165 You didn't miss much.

Although did you hear? Trump is running for president!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 11, 2016 11:14 AM (Zu3d9)

I heard that rumor...I also heard that the Republicans Establishment is about to commit Hari Kari by so OVERTLY screwing him. 1/2 of his supporters will walk screwing us and the Country in November. They should all have their heads examined. What a bunch of dumb fuck assholes. There are ways to defeat Trump without making it so obvious. Fuckin scripts

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 11, 2016 11:18 AM (8a1xR)

166 "It is a tale, told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 11, 2016 11:12 AM (Zu3d9)

Right, the something I referred to in my quote was nothing, like you said.

That's how I identify with that quote. That's my reality.

*flips blue hair, sips latte carefully along the edge so as not to muss the portrait of Neil DeGrasse-Tyson traced in the foam*

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 11, 2016 11:18 AM (xuouz)

167 Anheuser InBev Beer Collektiv Internationale just announced a significant incentive program for top managers, to increase their market share. Expect a lot of acquisitions, because that's how they do it. And, be-damned to them.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 11, 2016 11:19 AM (xq1UY)

168 There was a teej sighting and I missed him again, dammit.
Hope you see this anyway, teej. Hi! Hi! I'm glad the Dirt Band was a good time.

Posted by: L, Elle at April 11, 2016 11:19 AM (2x3L+)

169 Glad to hear it Kari.
Offer stands.
And like a wise man once said, "When someone else is buying, order the lobster."
Though around here a nice porterhouse is considered the go to.

Posted by: teej at April 11, 2016 11:20 AM (YtsCi)

170 Go, Go, Go, Go

Posted by: Horsemen riding down valley at April 11, 2016 11:20 AM (DL2i+)

171 Posted by: kbdabear at April 11, 2016 11:16 AM (Z5F5z)
>>>>>>>>>
Perfectly stated.
*fistbump*

Posted by: Mortimer at April 11, 2016 11:20 AM (X/uTF)

172 Riding the storm out.

Posted by: StrawMan at April 11, 2016 11:20 AM (lidp8)

173 The Colorado caucus doesn't bother me much only because my last nerve was destroyed weeks ago watching the kabuki. It's clear that neither party supports the old idea of government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at April 11, 2016 11:21 AM (Nwg0u)

174 Some willows before walkies.

(5) Bernie Sanders did not join the Democrats, the Democrats joined him.

(5b) Trump did not join the Republicans, the Republicans left a Trump sized hole in their base.

Right now the Trump campaign is poised to replicate the Donner party

I assume they didn't think major organization was necessary.
Wasn't that serious at first.
Then had such a lead it wasn't needed.
Now the bitching is part of the effort of coming up to speed.

Posted by: Horsemen riding down valley at April 11, 2016 11:21 AM (DL2i+)

175 In short, you wouldn't getting the firebrand fighter Ted Cruz you saw in the Senate, you'd be getting a far less photogenic and charisma challenged version of Marco Rubio.


Meh. If one is going to imagine outcomes, you might as well imagine good ones, at least until reality bitchslaps you. One of my favor Coolidge quotes that I beleaguer Mrs928: The Worrier with, is 'When you see 10 problems rolling down the road toward you, 8 will go in the ditch before they get there. Deal with the 2 that actually arrive.'

I'm going to imagine Ted the Federalist winning and making a difference until it's not so.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at April 11, 2016 11:22 AM (evdj2)

176 Perfectly stated.
*fistbump*
Posted by: Mortimer at April 11, 2016 11:20 AM (X/uTF)

I was about to fistbump teej.

Let's turn this into a circular fistbumping-squad.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 11, 2016 11:22 AM (xuouz)

177 They can engage in beltway insider fuckery, but they can't make us like it.

Rebel.

^^^Read that as a verb

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 11, 2016 11:24 AM (xuouz)

178 "A little brewery from New England called Ballast Point just got sold to
whatever holding company (constellation?) that owns Heineken.
"

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 11, 2016 11:16 AM (xuouz)

You're on a roll....

Ballast Point brewery is in San Diego.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 11, 2016 11:24 AM (Zu3d9)

179 I'm going to imagine Ted the Federalist winning and making a difference until it's not so.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at April 11, 2016 11:22 AM (evdj2)
=====
Me too!

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 11, 2016 11:24 AM (MIKMs)

180 . 1/2 of his supporters will walk screwing us and the Country in November.

-
So they're necrophiliacs too.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at April 11, 2016 11:25 AM (Nwg0u)

181 176 Perfectly stated.
*fistbump*
Posted by: Mortimer at April 11, 2016 11:20 AM (X/uTF)

I was about to fistbump teej.

Let's turn this into a circular fistbumping-squad.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 11, 2016 11:22 AM (xuouz)

Man I need new glasses I guess. I read "fishbump". Twice... and went "whaaaa ?

Posted by: kraken at April 11, 2016 11:25 AM (sdxPm)

182 You know ... I'm looking through my notes ... Doesn't say a damn thing about blowing up the GOPe AND winning the White House.

Looks like, at this point, it's Mission Accomplished.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 11, 2016 11:25 AM (ipFbG)

183 Several years ago and not that long after the Boxing Day tsunami, Kid was in Hawaii for a match with the Academy team, and there was the usual planet-cracker in Chile followed by all the Battleship buoys going postal. End of The World.

So being college chums, they went to the highest Waikiki hotel they could get to in order to watch Civilisation end. They sent me a swell insta-foto of the carnage, as the tidal wave that had crossed half the Pacific rolled in, height, two inches.
You really could see it, though. Two feet higher, and it would have cost a billion.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 11, 2016 11:25 AM (xq1UY)

184 As mentioned several times in this thread, the GOP factions have been poisoned against each other. In previous election years, I've seen people say, "Well I'm for Santorum but if Mitt gets it, I'll vote for him."

Now? I don't see that as possible. Cruz fans and Trump fans so hate each other than I can't see them supporting the other guy.

So yeah, President Hillary.

Oh and thanks for clarifying the "tidal vs tsunami" thing.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 11, 2016 11:26 AM (AroJD)

185 Let's turn this into a circular fistbumping-squad.

It suddenly occurs to me that I've never fist-bumped anyone, ever, about anything.

Come to think of it, I can't even remember high-fiving anyone, either.

I'm so old. Or maybe just disagreeable.

Posted by: mindful webworker - snaps fingers at April 11, 2016 11:26 AM (f/e+k)

186 "Full of sound and fury, signifying something"
-----------

I think it is "nothing", and I ought to know.

Posted by: Bernie at April 11, 2016 11:26 AM (9mTYi)

187 Flipping fone will only refresh once then I gotta post.
Just one of the things that happens when a $500 fone goes tu and you replace it with a "cheap" $100 fone.

Posted by: teej at April 11, 2016 11:14 AM (YtsCi)


Please don't take the following personally, teej. You were just the trigger for this rant:


It amuses me no end to see all the posts about folks having trouble accessing the HQ on their phones. Sort of calls up the vision of people whining about how hard it is to comb their hair with a shovel.


Look, AOSHQ, and most anything else worthwhile on the Internet, were designed when the only way to access that service was a desktop computer with a monitor. And even tiny monitors had 13 inch screens.


Sure, "smart" phones have Internet "capability". They just aren't very good at it, because, tiny screen. And operating systems designed to abet the advertising bots.


/rant

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 11, 2016 11:26 AM (UsLZp)

188 Trolling is a art.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 11, 2016 11:27 AM (xuouz)

189 The link at The Dump this morning to the OSU President's action. Handling it like a boss.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 11, 2016 11:27 AM (9mTYi)

190 Did Bush cause this storm like he did Katrina?

Posted by: Badda Bing at April 11, 2016 11:27 AM (qFLV6)

191 I'm so old. Or maybe just disagreeable.
Posted by: mindful webworker - snaps fingers at April 11, 2016 11:26 AM (f/e+k)

If I opinionated here, are you gonna yell at me to get off your lawn...?

Posted by: kraken at April 11, 2016 11:27 AM (sdxPm)

192 176 Perfectly stated.
*fistbump*
Posted by: Mortimer at April 11, 2016 11:20 AM (X/uTF)

I was about to fistbump teej.

Let's turn this into a circular fistbumping-squad.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 11, 2016 11:22 AM (xuouz)

I'm pretty sure some people would shove you off a building for that.

Posted by: joncelli, Now 50% More Bilious! at April 11, 2016 11:28 AM (SEFXb)

193 I'm pretty sure some people would shove you off a building for that.
Posted by: joncelli, Now 50% More Bilious! at April 11, 2016 11:28 AM (SEFXb)

I'm pretty sure they'd have to get in line.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 11, 2016 11:28 AM (xuouz)

194 The painting... Election day 2016.....

Posted by: donna at April 11, 2016 11:28 AM (O2RFr)

195 Oh forget it, I give up. Every gosh darn thread has to immediately devolve to Trump/Cruz/Kodos!

Congratulations I am sick of it and the people who seem stuck permanently in a self-reinforcing loop of angsty navel gazing while screaming 'The end is nigh!'

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 11, 2016 10:56 AM (Xj72V)


"A fanatic is one that can't change his mind and won't change the subject." Winston Churchill

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - S'mores and Flamewars Supplies Available at The Outrage Outlet! at April 11, 2016 11:29 AM (hLRSq)

196 Hello L, elle.
How goes the butterfly chasing?
And yeah, the Dirt Band was great.
Gary was a boot (as always) after the show.
"You know, it hit me in there. I've been trying to be Jeff Hanna (on stage) for the last 30 years."
You could choose a worse front man to emulate.

Posted by: teej at April 11, 2016 11:30 AM (YtsCi)

197 is this somehow my fault?

Posted by: White guy with white priviledge at April 11, 2016 11:30 AM (qFLV6)

198 66 percent of GOP Trump voters will support the nominee even if it isn't Trump:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/hvy2cty

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 11, 2016 11:30 AM (t5zYU)

199 I have the new Vortex 5000 smart-ass phone. It's sentient, and apparently libertarian. Only does what the hell it feels like, intermittently.

Posted by: kraken at April 11, 2016 11:30 AM (sdxPm)

200 167 Anheuser InBev Beer Collektiv Internationale just announced a significant incentive program for top managers, to increase their market share. Expect a lot of acquisitions, because that's how they do it. And, be-damned to them.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 11, 2016 11:19 AM (xq1UY)


I gave Anheuser Busch their last order for free and told them to find another supplier instead of dealing with their electronic invoicing system.

What is a worldwide company doing with a third world tracking system like that?

Posted by: jwest at April 11, 2016 11:31 AM (Zs4uk)

201 There is no fist-bumping in the flipping zone. The flipping zone is for flipping-off only.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 11, 2016 11:31 AM (3MK6t)

202 66 percent of GOP Trump voters will support the nominee even if it isn't Trump:
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 11, 2016 11:30 AM (t5zYU)

Because Trump voters, as it turns out, are human beings as well.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 11, 2016 11:31 AM (xuouz)

203 Much butthurt today.

Personally I find it interesting that the GOP nomination is mirroring two important aspects of Obama's win in 2008. Cruz is emulating Obama's organization, fighting for every last delegate. Trump is emulating his cult of personality.

Meanwhile, Kasich is trying to emulate Hillary's doomed 2008 appeal to political insiders to throw the election to him.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 11, 2016 11:31 AM (dtw1g)

204 Smart phones make me feel like I need the 'Accessibility Options' turned on like a blind man.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at April 11, 2016 11:31 AM (evdj2)

205 is this somehow my fault?

===

You're a white guy. Tell ya what, stick your face in a bowl of henna.

Posted by: Bigby's Bitter Clingin' Hands at April 11, 2016 11:31 AM (3ZtZW)

206 199 I have the new Vortex 5000 smart-ass phone. It's sentient, and apparently libertarian. Only does what the hell it feels like, intermittently.
Posted by: kraken at April 11, 2016 11:30 AM (sdxPm)

Look on the bright side, it doesn't care about the pron.

Posted by: joncelli, Now 50% More Bilious! at April 11, 2016 11:32 AM (SEFXb)

207 is this somehow my fault?
Posted by: White guy with white priviledge
---------------

Probably. Are you a capitalist also? Because that would cinch it.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 11, 2016 11:32 AM (9mTYi)

208 What goes on a Cruz/Kasich 2016 sandwich?

Mustard or mayo?

Posted by: eman at April 11, 2016 11:33 AM (MQEz6)

209 Having coffee, perusing the news. It all fits my mood today. I have to go to the dentist in a few hours.

Posted by: Soona at April 11, 2016 11:33 AM (Fmupd)

210 AOP, what these countries really need is a steampunk Dick Tracy Wrist Radio.
And, moar Cathcart heads.

I reported, and got duly congratulated on, finding a pristine WWII magazine "War Map" the other day. Another find was a customer give-away calendar from grandpa's coal yard. You have to be Pretty Damn Old to remember it, but for a couple of generations those large art print calendars were the primary wall art in most family kitchens. Kind of set the tone for the table conversation.

Grandpa had chosen, for 1951, an action print of the Donner Party getting mired in the snow. Moody, don't you think? Pretty cagey for a coal dealer. "Storm comin'."

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 11, 2016 11:33 AM (xq1UY)

211 Reposted from an earlier thread

"Today is the day" -a lovely devotional from "Holy Land moments" about the importance of attitude in the4 life of faith:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/h4888mq

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 11, 2016 11:34 AM (w4NZ8)

212 The CO rules have been known since last August; they were changed well in advance of the primary season. Trump had exactly the same opportunity as everyone else to organize his supporters in the state to elect delegates to the state convention who would then support his slate of delegates to the national convention. There was no presidential preference poll at the caucuses in March, so Trump cannot complain that these results do not reflect the will of the caucus attendees. So what's the problem here?

Posted by: HTL at April 11, 2016 11:34 AM (7oUgp)

213 So our votes can just be tossed aside at the convention and the insiders can give the nomination to anyone they want? Why the fuck did any of us even vote then? We could have saved ourselves a lot of time and a lot of worthless blog posts had they just told us this from the beginning. And people wonder why so many people don't vote and think the whole thing is one big con job?

Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at April 11, 2016 11:34 AM (NAv1Q)

214
Mustard or mayo?

===

"Salad Dressing"

Posted by: Bigby's Bitter Clingin' Hands at April 11, 2016 11:34 AM (3ZtZW)

215 208 What goes on a Cruz/Kasich 2016 sandwich?

Mustard or mayo?
Posted by: eman at April 11, 2016 11:33 AM (MQEz6)

Plantains and kielbasa.

Posted by: joncelli, Now 50% More Bilious! at April 11, 2016 11:34 AM (SEFXb)

216 As mentioned several times in this thread, the GOP factions have been poisoned against each other. In previous election years, I've seen people say, "Well I'm for Santorum but if Mitt gets it, I'll vote for him."

Now? I don't see that as possible. Cruz fans and Trump fans so hate each other than I can't see them supporting the other guy.

So yeah, President Hillary.

Oh and thanks for clarifying the "tidal vs tsunami" thing.


Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 11, 2016 11:26 AM

I also think there's allot of people like me. I don't have a horse in the race. I wanted Walker or Rand Paul. Cruz and especially Trump were way down my list. I still haven't decided what I am going to do. But I will take a victory in that the GOPe has no candidate that they've shoved down our throats like Mitt or Juan. It's a bigger victory than some realize right now in the heat of the battle. When the dust settles it will be interesting to see what people do. As I said I am undecided. But I have voted for worse (Mitt, McCain etc.) President Hillary? No Fucking Way!

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 11, 2016 11:35 AM (btH0m)

217
Looks as if some part of this week will be spent getting the Toy out of storage. Supposed to be rainy for mist of it so no yard work. I cannot get upset about that.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 11, 2016 11:35 AM (P/8aq)

218 I have the new Vortex 5000 smart-ass phone. It's sentient, and apparently libertarian. Only does what the hell it feels like, intermittently.

Posted by: kraken at April 11, 2016 11:30 AM (sdxPm)



My Vortex 5000 tore off my other arm!





#NeverVortex5000

Posted by: Michelle Fields at April 11, 2016 11:35 AM (0cMkb)

219 boot = hoot
I know, too late.

Posted by: teej at April 11, 2016 11:36 AM (YtsCi)

220 Grandpa had chosen, for 1951, an action print of the Donner Party getting mired in the snow. Moody, don't you think? Pretty cagey for a coal dealer. "Storm comin'."
Posted by: Stringer Davis

Cause hanging a picture of the Donner party in the kitchen definitely sets a tone for the table conversation.

"dark meat or darker meat?"

Posted by: Sen Serious Cruz at April 11, 2016 11:36 AM (326rv)

221 Posted by: joncelli, Now 50% More Bilious! at April 11, 2016 11:32 AM (SEFXb)

Joncelli

Glad you're here. :^) I have something for you. on the Orthodox church Give me a moment to find and post it:

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 11, 2016 11:36 AM (w4NZ8)

222 so Trump cannot complain that these results do not reflect the will of the caucus attendees. So what's the problem here?

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The caucus attendees can complain.

Posted by: Bigby's Bitter Clingin' Hands at April 11, 2016 11:36 AM (3ZtZW)

223 So our votes can just be tossed aside at the convention and the insiders can give the nomination to anyone they want?

It's been that way since 1842.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 11, 2016 11:36 AM (dtw1g)

224 Grandpa had chosen, for 1951, an action print of the Donner Party getting mired in the snow. Moody, don't you think? Pretty cagey for a coal dealer. "Storm comin'."

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 11, 2016 11:33 AM (xq1UY)


Was it the Donner party that resorted to cannibalism? Cheery subject for the dinner table.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 11, 2016 11:36 AM (UsLZp)

225 221 Posted by: joncelli, Now 50% More Bilious! at April 11, 2016 11:32 AM (SEFXb)

Joncelli

Glad you're here. :^) I have something for you. on the Orthodox church Give me a moment to find and post it:

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 11, 2016 11:36 AM (w4NZ

Thanks Fenelon.

Posted by: joncelli, Now 50% More Bilious! at April 11, 2016 11:36 AM (SEFXb)

226 The mountain peeking through the clouds is sniper HQ. It's a good vantage point with excellent fields of fire.

Posted by: Hank at April 11, 2016 11:37 AM (GaBU5)

227 Votes are irrelevant, only delegating gaming matters. Great system we have here.

Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at April 11, 2016 11:37 AM (NAv1Q)

228 223, No wonder we are so fucked.

Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at April 11, 2016 11:38 AM (NAv1Q)

229 227 Votes are irrelevant, only delegating gaming matters. Great system we have here.
Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at April 11, 2016 11:37 AM (NAv1Q)

Slightly improved over cutting the head off of your opponent and taking his power.

But only slightly.

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at April 11, 2016 11:38 AM (tV1bR)

230 Votes are irrelevant, only delegating gaming matters. Great system we have here.

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Be a shame if something happened to it.

/lunchtime

Posted by: Bigby's Bitter Clingin' Hands at April 11, 2016 11:38 AM (3ZtZW)

231 Votes are irrelevant, only delegating gaming matters. Great system we have here.
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You do know that the Electoral College is set up in a similar way, right?

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 11, 2016 11:39 AM (MIKMs)

232 224 Grandpa had chosen, for 1951, an action print of the Donner Party getting mired in the snow. Moody, don't you think? Pretty cagey for a coal dealer. "Storm comin'."

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 11, 2016 11:33 AM (xq1UY)


Was it the Donner party that resorted to cannibalism? Cheery subject for the dinner table.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 11, 2016 11:36 AM (UsLZp)

I figure if the kids got uppity mom would just have to point to the calendar and say "Consider how nice and tender you are." Parenting was easier in the '50s.

Posted by: joncelli, Now 50% More Bilious! at April 11, 2016 11:39 AM (SEFXb)

233 I have a feeling if Trump started his own political party, it still wouldn't be sufficiently pro-Trump.

Posted by: Jeepers at April 11, 2016 11:40 AM (A2FEp)

234 "dark meat or darker meat?"

This candidate for threadwinner looks to hold strong through the duration of the 200s and into the 300s.

Let's hope it's done the work necessary to whip all the threadwinner-vote delegates it's gonna need!

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 11, 2016 11:40 AM (xuouz)

235 The anti-Trump shenanigans are driven by #neverTrump, which is the GOPe, which Cruz has joined. Thus, I wouldn't give all the credit to Cruz for beating Art of the Deal.

Despite the array of forces against him, Trump can still get to 1,237 if he gets is mojo back in the upcoming Big East primaries and if Cruz fades when it becomes crystal clear he's only a spoiler.

If Trump is short even a lot of delegates he can bribe Kasich to formally drop out in which case 66 Ohio delegates automatically move to Trump for having come in second. Trump can always bribe a lot of others, and thus win on the first ballot.

You could say that Trump is setting #neverTrump for a fall by showing that the process is so rigged that Trump is justified in any deals he cuts to get to 1,237 on the first ballot.

Cruz has a tiger by the tail, so he can't stop. But by openly consorting with the GOPe he's killing his personal brand.

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 11, 2016 11:40 AM (r1fLd)

236 The whole concept of "unbound delegates" and "super delegates" is a con job. It is a total disgrace. They should be eliminated. Win or lose, it should be based on who the people of the country vote for, not some inside baseball back room deal.

Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at April 11, 2016 11:41 AM (NAv1Q)

237 It's been that way since 1842.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 11, 2016 11:36 AM
---

I'm not surprised that the general public seems ignorant of how elections work, but I am surprised how many here seem oblivious to it.

I've lived in a lot of states, so I've been exposed to many different primary and delegate selections systems. Some are better than others, no doubt. But the main lesson for *me* from this primary is that if I want things to change, I need to become more involved in my local and state Party. Since neither the Democrat or Libertarian parties align sufficiently with my political goals, that leaves the GOP.

So despite the oddness of this election cycle, it's produced something useful for me.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 11, 2016 11:41 AM (t5zYU)

238 Yes, that Donner party. That attitude is how I got my start in business. And "life."

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 11, 2016 11:41 AM (xq1UY)

239 Yeah, teej, always forever chasing the butterflies. That's still me.

I'm okay. I am super pissed off at the CO state R party for how they're colluding with the national GOPe. This stupid crap started with the first caucus and now this weekend they just finished what they started back then.

Posted by: L, Elle at April 11, 2016 11:42 AM (2x3L+)

240 "So what's the problem here?"

Your diatribe sounded similar to what was told to Aurthur Dent in Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy. My counter diatribe is that the changes were made to accomplish what they accomplished. eg Make sure insiders get their way. GOPe JV.

Not good for team building. :-)

Let them eat cake.

Posted by: just saying at April 11, 2016 11:42 AM (HSAmh)

241 I'm going to imagine Ted the Federalist winning and making a difference until it's not so.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at April 11, 2016 11:22 AM (evdj2)

And I'm going to imagine that I won a free blowjob from Kate Upton.

The Federalist Ted will be put aside as a price for getting the GOPe to greenlight his nomination and get the Donor Class money that he can't even make the general election close without.

Maybe Cruz can win with the MSM, Hollywood, Silicon Valley, gays, minorities, majority of women all lined up against him without the Trump voters. Of course Cruz won't spend weeks being asked to denounce the blabberings of some Todd Aiken type congressman from Jerkwater Alabama who doesn't see a gotcha question coming even if he's told it will.

He CAN win, but right now I'd say the odds are similar to him throwing a perfect strike to home plate from center field. Lefthanded. In a 40 mph headwind. With a crooked umpire

Posted by: kbdabear at April 11, 2016 11:42 AM (NcCCw)

242 >>If Trump is short even a lot of delegates he can bribe Kasich to formally drop out in which case 66 Ohio delegates automatically move to Trump for having come in second. Trump can always bribe a lot of others, and thus win on the first ballot.

But if Trump does a deal with Kasich, Mr Establishment, that would make Trump establishment too!

It is pretty amusing to watch Trump supporters use "Cruz is establishment now!" as an argument.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 11, 2016 11:43 AM (/tuJf)

243 Completely taking the current situation out of the picture. I think the entire primary and especially caucus systems need to be revisited.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 11, 2016 11:43 AM (btH0m)

244 As mentioned several times in this thread, the GOP factions have been poisoned against each other. In previous election years, I've seen people say, "Well I'm for Santorum but if Mitt gets it, I'll vote for him."

_____________

I still think that will happen in this election, especially if Cruz is on the ticket and Hillary being the opponent.

I will say though there is definitely a Trump-only voter that's not really "conservative" that probably won't get and doesn't regularly vote, but I still think the math is Trump costs us more votes than he brings in.

I just don't think you can depend on voters that normally sit out elections and I don't think Trump's campaign has the skill to get these people to the polls.

Posted by: Jeepers at April 11, 2016 11:44 AM (A2FEp)

245 Your diatribe sounded similar to what was told to Aurthur Dent in Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy. My counter diatribe is that the changes were made to accomplish what they accomplished. eg Make sure insiders get their way. GOPe JV.
Posted by: just saying at April 11, 2016 11:42 AM (HSAmh)

I thought of this too.

"The proposal for the demolition of earth to make way for a hyperspace bypass have been posted in your local galactic government office on Alpha Centauri for 100 years, so there's no use complaining about it now."

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 11, 2016 11:44 AM (xuouz)

246 WTF Colorado?

Remember back when people were saying the GOPe is going to steal the race from Trump. And those people were dismissed as conspiracy nuts?

Good times, good times.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 11, 2016 11:44 AM (0LHZx)

247 Mandatory voting would fix everything.

Posted by: Barack Obama at April 11, 2016 11:44 AM (FkBIv)

248 Never insert a fistbump into a circle jerk.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 11, 2016 11:44 AM (lHb9q)

249 227 Votes are irrelevant, only delegating gaming matters. Great system we have here.

Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at April 11, 2016 11:37 AM (NAv1Q)


In certain states, there are primaries and a fairly strict allocation of delegates based on popular vote. The delegates from these states are legally bound to vote for the candidate on the first ballot.

Other states are not as democratic. Party bosses decide what is going to happen.

As most New York based right wing writers will tell you, when the party wants to fuck you, just bend over and take it. People who expose and fight corruption in the their own party are destroyed.

Posted by: jwest at April 11, 2016 11:44 AM (Zs4uk)

250 I saw a tribute to Charlie Brown at a local art gallery this weekend.

Bill Watterson is one of my favorite cartoonists.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 11, 2016 11:45 AM (xuouz)

251 248 Never insert a fistbump into a circle jerk.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 11, 2016 11:44 AM (lHb9q)

At least not without some warning.

Posted by: joncelli, Now 50% More Bilious! at April 11, 2016 11:45 AM (SEFXb)

252 Never insert a fistbump into a circle jerk.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 11, 2016 11:44 AM (lHb9q)

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WORD!!

Posted by: Michelle Fields at April 11, 2016 11:45 AM (8XRCm)

253 The whole concept of "unbound delegates" and "super delegates" is a con job. It is a total disgrace. They should be eliminated. Win or lose, it should be based on who the people of the country vote for, not some inside baseball back room deal.
Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at April 11, 2016 11:41 AM (NAv1Q)


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You do know that this is how a representative republic is set up, don't you? It's just on a state level.

Fuck pure democracy.

Posted by: Soona at April 11, 2016 11:46 AM (Fmupd)

254 Completely taking the current situation out of the picture. I think the
entire primary and especially caucus systems need to be revisited.
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Do you belong to one of the clubs that is doing the selection?

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 11, 2016 11:46 AM (MIKMs)

255 OT, but ya know there are websites devoted to " bound delegates"...

Posted by: kraken at April 11, 2016 11:46 AM (sdxPm)

256 Joncelli

http://preview.tinyurl.com/jgfq7td

This is a short video- about three minutes by Frederica Matthews-Green on "Experiencing God" and her conversion experience. (She has written a lot on Orthodoxy). There are other videos of her speaking on the net as well and articles including "Why Orthodoxy appeals to men."

I don't know if you saw on a thread this weekend but I went to an Orthodox baptism on Saturday. It was lovely.

I am not trying to push you into the Orthodox faith. Obviously I am not Orthodox and i think God is a big God and there are a variety of ways to experience God's presence as far as style of worship is concerned. Howevert for me there is something very appealing about that tradition, and I guess it appeals to me because it has a contemplative tradition that I also liked from reading about the RCC.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 11, 2016 11:46 AM (w4NZ8)

257 "It is pretty amusing to watch Trump supporters use "Cruz is establishment now!" as an argument."

It's not "Cruz is establishment now" so much as it's "Cruz is being used."

Just win, baby!

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 11, 2016 11:47 AM (r1fLd)

258 the general public seems ignorant of how elections work
-- Y-not

There you have the really scary part, after the current shitstorm clears.
I guess everybody hates the notion of "getting involved in your Party."
People are absolutely enraged at the primary system, and delegation.
Were there a way to get to a system before Factionalism, I'd be for it.
What we're going to get instead is direct election of the president by the people.
And that's going to be a truly terrible thing.
"I have seen your People, and it is a raging Beast."

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 11, 2016 11:47 AM (xq1UY)

259 if people believe the process is unfair they will not vote

if they do not vote Hillary wins

a Hillary win is a GOPe win IMHO

ergo the GOPe does not care if they depress their vote

thy are pretending to be behind Cruz now, but they are really for Hillary

Posted by: ThunderB at April 11, 2016 11:47 AM (zOTsN)

260 Remember back when people were saying the GOPe is going to steal the race from Trump. And those people were dismissed as conspiracy nuts?

Good times, good times.

Trump doesn't need help for that... He's doing pretty good job on His own....

Posted by: donna at April 11, 2016 11:47 AM (O2RFr)

261 "I need to become more involved in my local and state Party"

That is true. The counter argument is that insiders should give a dam about their fellows. Who work for a living. And don't get time off to go to party meetings.

At least that is what George Washington Plunkitt said. He reminds me of William Jefferson Clinton.

Posted by: just saying at April 11, 2016 11:47 AM (HSAmh)

262 You do know that this is how a representative republic is set up, don't you? It's just on a state level.

Fuck pure democracy.
Posted by: Soona at April 11, 2016 11:46 AM (Fmupd)

I see that someone has read their history....

Posted by: kraken at April 11, 2016 11:47 AM (sdxPm)

263 In North Dakota's selection process, the people who voted on the delegate slates were just GOPers who took the time to register for and show up at the convention. It wasn't restricted to "party insiders."

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 11, 2016 11:48 AM (t5zYU)

264 it doesnt matter if the process, in reality, is basically fair

if it is perceived as being unfair, the people will not vote

Posted by: ThunderB at April 11, 2016 11:48 AM (zOTsN)

265 ergo the GOPe does not care if they depress their vote

thy are pretending to be behind Cruz now, but they are really for Hillary
Posted by: ThunderB
_________________



Well, every poll shows Hillary easily beating Trump, if they wanted Hillary, wouldn't it makes sense to NOT put up any roadblocks for him to be the nominee?

Posted by: Jeepers at April 11, 2016 11:49 AM (A2FEp)

266 Never insert a fistbump into a circle jerk.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 11, 2016 11:44 AM (lHb9q)

A fist what into a where?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 11, 2016 11:49 AM (Zu3d9)

267 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 11, 2016 11:46 AM (w4NZ

Hey Fen. Maybe it's the beard and incense and antiphonal singing thing... " smiley face.....)

Posted by: kraken at April 11, 2016 11:49 AM (sdxPm)

268 264 it doesnt matter if the process, in reality, is basically fair

if it is perceived as being unfair, the people will not vote

Except the Dems. When Bern doesn't get the nod they will bitch and moan and say it's unfair and then pull the lever for Hillary!

Posted by: donna at April 11, 2016 11:49 AM (O2RFr)

269 231 Votes are irrelevant, only delegating gaming matters. Great system we have here.
=====

You do know that the Electoral College is set up in a similar way, right?


Posted by: mustbequantum at April 11, 2016 11:39 AM (MIKMs)


Uh... no....

Colorado... we will have a few people who show up to vote for a couple of people, who will then vote for a slate of delegates to a convention, where they will vote on a few more delegates... who can then vote for whoever the hell they want...

While making the whole thing as complicated and unfriendly to outsiders as possible...

BOTH parties have created systems where insiders still control the nomination...

Masks are being stripped off.... both of Candidates..... and off the system itself...

Posted by: Don Quixote at April 11, 2016 11:50 AM (qf6WZ)

270 The caucus attendees can complain.

Posted by: Bigby's Bitter Clingin' Hands at April 11, 2016 11:36 AM (3ZtZW)


But why would they? The caucus attendees elected these delegates to the statewide convention who just selected a bunch of pro-Cruz delegates, so the results do reflect their will. Again, the rules were clear six months prior to March 1. Trump's campaign had plenty of time to get organized. Oh wait, I think I see the problem here...

Posted by: HTL at April 11, 2016 11:50 AM (7oUgp)

271 Remember back when people were saying the GOPe is going to steal the race from Trump. And those people were dismissed as conspiracy nuts?
Good times, good times.
===
Trump doesn't need help for that... He's doing pretty good job on His own....
Posted by: donna at April 11, 2016 11:47 AM (O2RFr)

He has an insurmountable delegate lead. He's currently holding steady at 54% in NY in multiple polls.

The issue is that this procedural gamesmanship is being done not by another candidate, in order to win HIM the nomination, but by all other candidates (both still in the race and out of it) and the party apparatus, to deny it to the man promising to upset the apple cart.

The specifics of your defense of this behavior - most especially the insistence on the importance of the date on the rule change that allows it - is quite beside the point.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 11, 2016 11:50 AM (xuouz)

272 >>I guess everybody hates the notion of "getting involved in your Party."

Basically, this.

I thought tsrblke's post about his participation in the MO caucus at cut.jib.newsletter was awesome. Really inspiring, frankly.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 11, 2016 11:50 AM (t5zYU)

273 "Bound Delegates"

Posted by: kraken at April 11, 2016 11:46 AM (sdxPm)

Uh...that's not what you think it is....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 11, 2016 11:50 AM (Zu3d9)

274

GOPe is more concerned about their "brand" than they are with Cruz winning. Trump hurts "the brand"

Posted by: ThunderB at April 11, 2016 11:50 AM (zOTsN)

275 And a devotional for our Christian friends here from "Brooklyn Tabernacle"-"Transition" Part 6

http://www.brooklyntabernacle.org/devotional

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 11, 2016 11:51 AM (w4NZ8)

276 Panelist Nicolle Wallace commented that with the superdelegate system that the Democratic Party has, Clinton "only has to get 30 percent of the vote in the remaining contests. I mean, talk about voters feeling like a system might be rigged."

Brzezinski asked, "Why are you even voting in Wyoming?"

Amazed, Scarborough said, "Bernie Sanders wins 56 to 44 percent in Wyoming. The delegates rewarded Hillary: Clinton 11, Bernie Sanders 7. Why does the Democratic Party even have voting booths? This system is so rigged."

Brzezinski agreed and Wallace added, "It feels that way."

Posted by: Elliot Ness at April 11, 2016 11:51 AM (e8kgV)

277 "Now? I don't see that as possible. Cruz fans and Trump fans so hate each other than I can't see them supporting the other guy."


The difference is internet communication and anonymity. I doubt the most passionate ones - such as people here - are actually very numerous. It is just easier to see them.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - S'mores and Flamewars Supplies Available at The Outrage Outlet! at April 11, 2016 11:51 AM (hLRSq)

278 >>It's not "Cruz is establishment now" so much as it's "Cruz is being used."

He's not being used. He's using the system. The same offer was open to all candidates including Trump but Trump decided to run a YOLO campaign and just wing it.

Now it's coming back to bite him and his supporters are upset and lashing out and in true Trump fashion blaming anyone but the person responsible, Donald J. Trump.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 11, 2016 11:51 AM (/tuJf)

279 I hear ya L, Elle. (sorry I've been getting your nic wrong)
Gotta make a quick dollar store run, finally make breakfast and turn over some more dirt, literally.
My old back and knees can only handle so much of that in one day any more.

Posted by: teej at April 11, 2016 11:51 AM (YtsCi)

280 The specifics of your defense of this behavior - most especially the insistence on the importance of the date on the rule change that allows it - is quite beside the point.

I don't have a "defense" of this behavior... My point is that Trump is His own worst enemy....

Posted by: donna at April 11, 2016 11:51 AM (O2RFr)

281 ergo the GOPe does not care if they depress their vote
Posted by: ThunderB

My vote was always going to be depressed.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 11, 2016 11:51 AM (xuouz)

282 I know no one knows me or is inherently interested in this topic, but I finally passed the bar exam in florida, now I just have to jump through a bunch of character and fitness hoops

Posted by: chelsea danger at April 11, 2016 11:51 AM (1nFsQ)

283 "While making the whole thing as complicated and unfriendly to outsiders as possible... "

I'm not a fan of caucuses, but Utah's caucus system was credited with Mike Lee's ability to beat Senator Bennett.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 11, 2016 11:52 AM (t5zYU)

284 *chuckle*

Back in February we were all being told to quit fighting and get on the Trump train because it was inevitable. There was no possibility of him not getting to 1237.

Today Cruz is Mr. Establishment stealing delegates by taking advantage of the rules in each state. Proving that he just a lyin' insider thwarting the will of the voters. But he will be beaten back after Trump makes another amazing deal.

I'm not sure if that is the denial or bargaining phase.

I guess we will see what happens. Nothing I can do to influence the outcome.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 11, 2016 11:52 AM (dtw1g)

285 Trump may be a nutcase at least he is not a lifelong politician/public servant/ lawyer.

Yeah thats wah we need more of in Dee Cee. law yakkers to make more criminals.

Posted by: Corruptocrat George Ryan R-(REPUKE) Ill at April 11, 2016 11:52 AM (WVsWD)

286 If someone starts a real third party, I propose they use run-offs instead of delegates to select nominees.

Posted by: @votermom at April 11, 2016 11:52 AM (nbrY/)

287 now I just have to jump through a bunch of character and fitness hoops

Hopefully they cannot tie you to this place.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at April 11, 2016 11:52 AM (evdj2)

288 282 I know no one knows me or is inherently interested in this topic, but I finally passed the bar exam in florida, now I just have to jump through a bunch of character and fitness hoops

Congrats to You...

Posted by: donna at April 11, 2016 11:53 AM (O2RFr)

289 I have to think Cruz will have as honest and corruption free presidency as his candidacy.

I don't see Trump as the biggest dishonest nut case with Cruz getting big loans from GS and people declaring Cruz the anointed.

Trump is a populist.
Cruz is a lawyer.

Posted by: just saying at April 11, 2016 11:53 AM (I0sxh)

290 I just have to jump through a bunch of character and fitness hoops

Posted by: chelsea danger at April 11, 2016 11:51 AM (1nFsQ)

Commenting on AoSHQ is not the way to demonstrate good character....

Just sayin'.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 11, 2016 11:53 AM (Zu3d9)

291 282 I know no one knows me or is inherently interested in this topic, but I finally passed the bar exam in florida, now I just have to jump through a bunch of character and fitness hoops
Posted by: chelsea danger at April 11, 2016 11:51 AM (1nFsQ)

Congrats!

Now, insert attorney-character joke here.

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at April 11, 2016 11:53 AM (tV1bR)

292 I don't have a "defense" of this behavior... My point is that Trump is His own worst enemy....
Posted by: donna at April 11, 2016 11:51 AM (O2RFr)

And I'm disagreeing, based on the fact that the best bet to stop him is on every other Republican politician involved in the race to conspire against him and invoke the letter of the rules against their spirit.

But I'm sorry to have made it personal, I shouldn't have made that a "your defense" as it's directed more at the comments in general.

*glares at comments*

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 11, 2016 11:53 AM (xuouz)

293 Uh...that's not what you think it is....


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo


*****


We have binders full of delegates?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 11, 2016 11:54 AM (lHb9q)

294 Posted by: chelsea danger at April 11, 2016 11:51 AM (1nFsQ)

Congratulations!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 11, 2016 11:54 AM (w4NZ8)

295 Panelist Nicolle Wallace commented that with the superdelegate system that the Democratic Party has, Clinton "only has to get 30 percent of the vote in the remaining contests. I mean, talk about voters feeling like a system might be rigged."

----

You man the same Nicole Wallace that shat on Sarah Palin and did everything she could do to sabotage McCains VP pick????

THAT Nicole Wallace???

Posted by: fixerupper at April 11, 2016 11:54 AM (8XRCm)

296 But I'm sorry to have made it personal, I shouldn't have made that a "your defense" as it's directed more at the comments in general.

*glares at comments*

No offense taken...

Posted by: donna at April 11, 2016 11:54 AM (O2RFr)

297 259 if people believe the process is unfair they will not vote

if they do not vote Hillary wins

a Hillary win is a GOPe win IMHO

ergo the GOPe does not care if they depress their vote

thy are pretending to be behind Cruz now, but they are really for Hillary
Posted by: ThunderB at April 11, 2016 11:47 AM (zOTsN)


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Unfortunately, you are correct. But who's fault is it anyway? I'd say it's mostly ours for not being engaged in the process enough. Wasn't that one of the caveats about which the founders warned us?

We went to sleep a few decades ago thinking all would be well. Then we woke up and found out that power really does corrupt.

Posted by: Soona at April 11, 2016 11:54 AM (Fmupd)

298 The delegate system has been in place for more than 150 years.
Some of you are slow learners.

Posted by: navybrat at April 11, 2016 11:54 AM (8QGte)

299 256 Joncelli

http://preview.tinyurl.com/jgfq7td

This is a short video- about three minutes by Frederica Matthews-Green on "Experiencing God" and her conversion experience. (She has written a lot on Orthodoxy). There are other videos of her speaking on the net as well and articles including "Why Orthodoxy appeals to men."

I don't know if you saw on a thread this weekend but I went to an Orthodox baptism on Saturday. It was lovely.

I am not trying to push you into the Orthodox faith. Obviously I am not Orthodox and i think God is a big God and there are a variety of ways to experience God's presence as far as style of worship is concerned. Howevert for me there is something very appealing about that tradition, and I guess it appeals to me because it has a contemplative tradition that I also liked from reading about the RCC.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 11, 2016 11:46 AM (w4NZ

I got curious about Orthodoxy when I was studying Russian in college. Of course at the time I was a proud young atheist. Coming from a Lutheran home inclines me to a Protestant church. I've also looked into the RCC. I know it sounds a bit mercenary but I guess I'm just looking for something I can feel comfortable with.

Oh, and I'm up to 2 Corinthians in my ESV study bible. It's been so long since I read the bible -- especially the NT -- that I keep stumbling across some lovely turn of phrase and saying "Oh, THAT'S where that came from."

Posted by: joncelli, Now 50% More Bilious! at April 11, 2016 11:54 AM (SEFXb)

300 Posted by: just saying at April 11, 2016 11:53 AM (I0sxh)

What big loans did Cruz get from Goldman Sachs?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 11, 2016 11:54 AM (Zu3d9)

301 282 I know no one knows me or is inherently interested in this topic, but I finally passed the bar exam in florida, now I just have to jump through a bunch of character and fitness hoops
Posted by: chelsea danger at April 11, 2016 11:51 AM (1nFsQ)

Well, what is a nice.... girl... doing in a place like this then? Not a career move.

Posted by: kraken at April 11, 2016 11:55 AM (sdxPm)

302 Trump is a populist.


Populist-ish. He's a least making a gesture to the working man but he's not pointing at the wealthy as being the public enemy as a real populist should.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at April 11, 2016 11:55 AM (evdj2)

303 Well, every poll shows Hillary easily beating Trump, if they wanted Hillary, wouldn't it makes sense to NOT put up any roadblocks for him to be the nominee?

Posted by: Jeepers at April 11, 2016 11:49 AM (A2FEp)


Problem is that polls also show Hillary beating Cruz...

So the question becomes, once the fight REALLY starts, who can tear down Hillary faster...

Posted by: Don Quixote at April 11, 2016 11:55 AM (qf6WZ)

304 Yeah thats wah we need more of in Dee Cee. law yakkers to make more criminals.
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I think DC would run better if there were more lawyers like Ted Cruz (and Mike Lee) with a deep understanding of and commitment to the Constitution.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 11, 2016 11:55 AM (t5zYU)

305 I find it interesting that everybody knows that Cruz is playing the 2nd/3rd ballot game by trying to get delegates partial to him.

That seems a surefire way to not be able to do the same in upcoming states-

since everyone has been tipped off.

I look at these reports as being criminally stupid if they're coming from the Cruz camp.

But more likely, they are a form of pot-stirring by the GOPe and their #NeverTrump surrogates and useful idiots -

to sow distrust and bad feeling among the remaining viable candidates supporters.

If Trump can't win on the 1st ballot and Cruz can't win on the 2nd or 3rd-

then it's Helllloooooooooo GOPe Hackboy as the "unity" candidate.


Again, these guys at the GOPe aren't that smart- they do the same sort of stuff over and over again-

but I guess we are stupid enough to fall for it, so

Yay?

Posted by: naturalfake at April 11, 2016 11:55 AM (0cMkb)

306 Is your real name "Saul Goodman", chelsea?

Posted by: andycanuck at April 11, 2016 11:55 AM (3MK6t)

307 If someone starts a real third party, I propose they use run-offs instead of delegates to select nominees.
Posted by: @votermom




I just see that being prohibitively expensive and most states are not going to foot the bill of another primary election.

If you really wanted it to be "fair" you could just make it a raw popular vote instead, just be prepared for a nominee that 75% of people may vote "against."

Posted by: Jeepers at April 11, 2016 11:56 AM (A2FEp)

308 >>>The caucus attendees can complain.



Posted by: Bigby's Bitter Clingin' Hands at April 11, 2016 11:36 AM (3ZtZW)



But why would they? The caucus attendees elected these delegates to
the statewide convention who just selected a bunch of pro-Cruz
delegates, so the results do reflect their will. Again, the
rules were clear six months prior to March 1. Trump's campaign had
plenty of time to get organized. Oh wait, I think I see the problem
here...
.
.
.
.This is exactly the same thing that happened here in Kentucky when they switched this year to a caucus instead of a Primary to support Rand Paul. Everyone knew at least six months before the change was going to happen and what you needed to do to attend your County Caucus and how the process was going to work. No just showing up and getting handed a ballot this time.

There were articles and lists of polling places in every single newspaper and numerous stories on TV constantly about the changes but come election day everyone was moaning and bitching about not knowing what they needed to do or where they needed to go.

None of this is a secret, it's all out in public and if people really wanted to know the rules, they would know them, especially the campaigns of people who are actually running for Office in that State.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 11, 2016 11:56 AM (iONHu)

309 Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 11, 2016 11:54 AM (lHb9q)

You are incorrigible.

Well done!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 11, 2016 11:56 AM (Zu3d9)

310 Problem is that polls also show Hillary beating Cruz...
So the question becomes, once the fight REALLY starts, who can tear down Hillary faster...
Posted by: Don Quixote at April 11, 2016 11:55 AM (qf6WZ)

Those same polls show Kasich beating Hillary by 6 points.

Let's see you put your principles where your mouths are, friends.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 11, 2016 11:56 AM (xuouz)

311
Delegates!! Delegates!! Dance to our music.
Delegates!! Delegates!! Dance to our music.
Delegates!! Delegates!! Dance to our music.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 11, 2016 11:56 AM (8XRCm)

312 298 The delegate system has been in place for more than 150 years.
Some of you are slow learners.

Posted by: navybrat at April 11, 2016 11:54 AM (8QGte)


the Delegate system in Colorado was changed about 6 months ago...

Posted by: Don Quixote at April 11, 2016 11:56 AM (qf6WZ)

313 I dont think Cruz is cheating. I think that Trump claiming he is cheating will depress the vote

I honestly dont see anyone but Hillary winning. But, then, I am often wrong about elections so the rest of you should feel optimistic

If I think she will win, perhaps she will lose

Posted by: ThunderB at April 11, 2016 11:57 AM (zOTsN)

314 Sarah Palin was an unperson from unpersonland and deserved everything that was done to her.

Donald Trump is an unperson from unpersonland and deserves everything that is done to him.

Posted by: Your Highly Educated and Well-Mannered Betters at April 11, 2016 11:57 AM (nbrY/)

315 the Delegate system in Colorado was changed about 6 months ago...

And Trump had 6 months to get His act in order...

Posted by: donna at April 11, 2016 11:57 AM (O2RFr)

316 Really it is high time we got a better, more tractable, underclass already.

Posted by: Your Highly Educated and Well-Mannered Betters at April 11, 2016 11:58 AM (nbrY/)

317 271 Remember back when people were saying the GOPe is going to steal the race from Trump. And those people were dismissed as conspiracy nuts?
Good times, good times.
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Trump doesn't need help for that... He's doing pretty good job on His own....
Posted by: donna at April 11, 2016 11:47 AM (O2RFr)

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What the hell are you talking about? Colorado just gave Cruz 34 delegates without a single vote cast. This shit is supposed to happen in Havana and Pyongyang, not in Denver. The fact you don't see a problem with it says everything I need to know about the GOPe.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 11, 2016 11:58 AM (0LHZx)

318 "Well, every poll shows Hillary easily beating Trump, if they wanted Hillary, wouldn't it makes sense to NOT put up any roadblocks for him to be the nominee?"

This is kind of an interesting point. If you want amnesty, why wouldn't you clear the field as much as possible. Let Trump win the nomination, watch him lose in November and not only get Hillary to champion amnesty, but tarnish the "brand" of border control for a few election cycles.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 11, 2016 11:58 AM (dtw1g)

319 Pretty sure that's Mordor.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at April 11, 2016 11:58 AM (WuRdh)

320 Trump has lost unless he pulls a rabbit out of his hat.

If he does win the nomination then he will win the Presidency.

The next President, if it isn't Trump, is automatically a failure.

Posted by: just saying at April 11, 2016 11:58 AM (HSAmh)

321 What the hell are you talking about? Colorado just gave Cruz 34 delegates without a single vote cast. This shit is supposed to happen in Havana and Pyongyang, not in Denver. The fact you don't see a problem with it says everything I need to know about the GOPe.

See My #315...

Posted by: donna at April 11, 2016 11:59 AM (O2RFr)

322 the Delegate system in Colorado was changed about 6 months ago...
Posted by: Don Quixote at April 11, 2016 11:56 AM (qf6WZ)

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Beat me to it.

In what other year did the GOPe not even bother to hold a primary vote on Colorado??

Posted by: fixerupper at April 11, 2016 11:59 AM (8XRCm)

323 I have to hand it to Cruz, very good scheming on his part, Nixonian even.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at April 11, 2016 11:59 AM (LXJ1e)

324 Grandpa had chosen, for 1951, an action print of the Donner Party getting mired in the snow. Moody, don't you think? Pretty cagey for a coal dealer. "Storm comin'."
Posted by: Stringer Davis
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We have, framed, in our foyer a large 1907 advertising calendar from a department store in Athens, GA. The calendar portion is quite small, with tear-off pages. The artwork is quite large, 2' x 2 1/2'. It is a print of this Angelo Asti painting:
http://tinyurl.com/havkjyr

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 11, 2016 11:59 AM (9mTYi)

325 "the Delegate system in Colorado was changed about 6 months ago..."

I was responding specifically to commenter 213.
States get to set the rules however they want.
I like it like that.
Some would prefer Big Fed to make some one size fits all type regulations, doubtless, I am not one of those.

Posted by: navybrat at April 11, 2016 11:59 AM (8QGte)

326 Now, insert attorney-character joke here.

Posted by: DoublySymmetric
Don't forget the Florida!
C.Danger, you're entering on some of the most novel-worthy experiences of any possible career. Make sure you come back and share with the whole class!
Because, we love lawyer jokes. Especially when it's lawyers telling them.

On Orthodoxy: Ever wonder what an "American Orthodox" sect would be like?

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 11, 2016 12:00 PM (xq1UY)

327 If he does win the nomination then he will win the Presidency.

Yeah, no.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at April 11, 2016 12:00 PM (evdj2)

328 Now that Hillary has been elected President it is more important than ever to send whatever $ you can to help us!!11!!

Posted by: GOP Fundraiser at April 11, 2016 12:00 PM (tf9Ne)

329 I know no one knows me or is inherently interested in this topic, but I finally passed the bar exam in florida, now I just have to jump through a bunch of character and fitness hoops

Congrats, after the C&F comes mandatory CLEs and bar dues. Enjoy.

Posted by: brak at April 11, 2016 12:00 PM (MJuTN)

330 Donald Trump is an unperson from unpersonland and deserves everything that is done to him.

Posted by: Your Highly Educated and Well-Mannered Betters

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Donald Trump, Wharton-educated Northerner born into privilege and power, is the ultimate unperson. I'm sure he had a good cry about it over cocktails with Bill and Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 11, 2016 12:00 PM (t5zYU)

331 Problem is that polls also show Hillary beating Cruz...

So the question becomes, once the fight REALLY starts, who can tear down Hillary faster...
Posted by: Don Quixote




There's a difference between a 1 point game when both candidates are under 50% (Cruz) and losing by 10 points in the polls (Trump)

Posted by: Jeepers at April 11, 2016 12:00 PM (A2FEp)

332 None of this is a secret, it's all out in public and if people really wanted to know the rules, they would know them, especially the campaigns of people who are actually running for Office in that State.


Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 11, 2016 11:56 AM (iONHu)


Yes, if you pay your dues, and spend your time figuring out our rules, we may allow you to have a vote...

Yes the information was out there... but how many people have the TIME to spend on figuring it out?


Its like the Bridge of Death scene in Monty Python's Holy Grail...

If you can answer these questions three...

Posted by: Don Quixote at April 11, 2016 12:00 PM (qf6WZ)

333 327 If he does win the nomination then he will win the Presidency.

Yeah, no.

Maybe if Hillary is indicted a week before the election otherwise... Probably not...

Posted by: donna at April 11, 2016 12:01 PM (O2RFr)

334 Cause hanging a picture of the Donner party in the kitchen definitely sets a tone for the table conversation.
_______________________________________


Hmmmm, Breast or Thigh?

Posted by: IP at April 11, 2016 12:01 PM (aQQbl)

335 *chuckle*

Back in February we were all being told to quit fighting and get on the Trump train because it was inevitable. There was no possibility of him not getting to 1237.

Today Cruz is Mr. Establishment stealing delegates by taking advantage of the rules in each state. Proving that he just a lyin' insider thwarting the will of the voters. But he will be beaten back after Trump makes another amazing deal.

I'm not sure if that is the denial or bargaining phase.

I guess we will see what happens. Nothing I can do to influence the outcome.
Posted by: Dave in Fla

*chuckle*

Is that before, during or after the time that Ace decided that he was going to vote for Hillary? *titter*

Anyone know what phase that was?

*giggle*

Posted by: Blue Hen at April 11, 2016 12:01 PM (326rv)

336 Fishpump!

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at April 11, 2016 12:01 PM (FkBIv)

337 315 the Delegate system in Colorado was changed about 6 months ago...

And Trump had 6 months to get His act in order...
Posted by: donna at April 11, 2016 11:57 AM (O2RFr)

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LOL. It was changed 6 months ago? Oh well that's much better. So the GOPe has only been acting like a 3rd World banana republic for 6 months.

Phew, and here I was worried over nothing.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 11, 2016 12:01 PM (0LHZx)

338 317 271 Remember back when people were saying the GOPe is going to steal the race from Trump. And those people were dismissed as conspiracy nuts?
Good times, good times.
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Trump doesn't need help for that... He's doing pretty good job on His own....
Posted by: donna at April 11, 2016 11:47 AM (O2RFr)

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What the hell are you talking about? Colorado just gave Cruz 34 delegates without a single vote cast. This shit is supposed to happen in Havana and Pyongyang, not in Denver. The fact you don't see a problem with it says everything I need to know about the GOPe.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 11, 2016 11:58 AM (0LHZx)

Would you have the same complaint if Trump had won 34 delegates instead of Cruz?

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at April 11, 2016 12:01 PM (tV1bR)

339 Let's not fail to see the forest for the trees. The big news here is that a huge slice of the American people of whatever political persuasion are totally alienated because they don't believe the people have any input into government. I don't know how that will play out, but I don't see anything good.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at April 11, 2016 12:01 PM (Nwg0u)

340 I was responding specifically to commenter 213.
States get to set the rules however they want.
I like it like that.
Some would prefer Big Fed to make some one size fits all type regulations, doubtless, I am not one of those.
Posted by: navybrat at April 11, 2016 11:59 AM (8QGte)

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Somehow I get the sense that if Trump had just bribed his way to all of Colorados delegates with out so much a caucus meeting..... I doubt youd be quite so married to your principles.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 11, 2016 12:01 PM (8XRCm)

341 Posted by: joncelli, Now 50% More Bilious! at April 11, 2016 11:54 AM (SEFXb)

You studied Russian is college. How interesting.

Well, there are some other folks who can talk to you about LCMS or other more conservative denominations. There are certain things I appreciate about the Protestant tradition. Otherwise I wouldn't be one/ :^) I love the Bible and i love Christian hymns. The Orthodox priest said on Saturday to me (He has no clue what I am. I didn't say. He just knows that I'm not Orthodox but am a Christian) "There is a lot to appreciate in other traditions. Frederica Matthews-Green has video on revitalization in both the Evangelical and Orthodox Churches. Ms. Green had been an Atheist too

And yes,the Bible has a lot of wonderful passages. I am glad that you are experiencing it. I like to hear what you are finding interesting and meaningful in it. I hope that you will continue to share.

Grace and peace be with you.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 11, 2016 12:02 PM (w4NZ8)

342 Donald Trump, Wharton-educated Northerner born into privilege and power, is the ultimate unperson. I'm sure he had a good cry about it over cocktails with Bill and Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 11, 2016 12:00 PM (t5zYU)

Exactly. He's the worse kind of unperson -a class traitor.

Posted by: Your Highly Educated and Well-Mannered Betters at April 11, 2016 12:02 PM (nbrY/)

343 You peasants fail to understand the sanctity of the state selection processes.

Posted by: Sen. Cokebear at April 11, 2016 12:02 PM (326rv)

344 OHHHH THAT'S MOO MOO'S MUSIC

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 11, 2016 12:02 PM (xuouz)

345 Trump and Kasich, sitting in a tree, k-i-s-s-i-n-g.


Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 11, 2016 12:02 PM (2PHKP)

346 Interesting from the SideBar: Despite Complaints, Delegate System Has Given Trump a 22 Percent Bonus

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at April 11, 2016 12:02 PM (evdj2)

347
316 Really it is high time we got a better, more tractable, underclass already.

Posted by: Your Highly Educated and Well-Mannered Betters at April 11, 2016 11:58 AM (nbrY/)


We agree.... Bloody Colonists...

Posted by: King George... at April 11, 2016 12:03 PM (qf6WZ)

348 What the hell are you talking about? Colorado just gave Cruz 34 delegates without a single vote cast. This shit is supposed to happen in Havana and Pyongyang, not in Denver. The fact you don't see a problem with it says everything I need to know about the GOPe.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo

________

It's a political party, it's not a vote for office.

Does the NRA have statewide voting open to the public for its leaders?

Posted by: Jeepers at April 11, 2016 12:03 PM (A2FEp)

349 "I doubt youd be quite so married to your principles."

I don't live in Colorado.
And I am a better speller than you.

Posted by: navybrat at April 11, 2016 12:03 PM (8QGte)

350
What the hell are you talking about? Colorado just gave Cruz 34 delegates without a single vote cast. This shit is supposed to happen in Havana and Pyongyang, not in Denver. The fact you don't see a problem with it says everything I need to know about the GOPe.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 11, 2016 11:58 AM (0LHZx)

Would you have the same complaint if Trump had won 34 delegates instead of Cruz?
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at April 11, 2016 12:01 PM (tV1bR)

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Yes I'd be complaining no matter who got what amount of delegates. I can't believe so many of you so-called conservatives see nothing wrong with a state essentially telling its voters to fuck off, we know what's best for you.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 11, 2016 12:03 PM (0LHZx)

351 What the hell are you talking about? Colorado just gave Cruz 34 delegates without a single vote cast. This shit is supposed to happen in Havana and Pyongyang, not in Denver.
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Are you a Republican?
Because, otherwise, it's really none of your business.

Equating the internal operations of a political party with the actions of a government is not even slightly logical.


Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 11, 2016 12:03 PM (9mTYi)

352 Would you have the same complaint if Trump had won 34 delegates instead of Cruz?
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at April 11, 2016 12:01 PM (tV1bR)

He wouldn't have to because half the pundits in America would have resigned and protested on the interstate

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 11, 2016 12:03 PM (xuouz)

353 Posted by: joncelli, Now 50% More Bilious! at April 11, 2016 11:54 AM (SEFXb)

It doesn't sound mercenary. People need to feel comfortable in a faith setting and tradition.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 11, 2016 12:03 PM (w4NZ8)

354

all candidates have to abide by the delegate rules of the state. There aren't "Trump rules" which are difficult and "Cruz rules" which are easy

one candidate did his homework

the other apparently did not

Posted by: ThunderB at April 11, 2016 12:04 PM (zOTsN)

355
all candidates have to abide by the delegate rules of the state. There aren't "Trump rules" which are difficult and "Cruz rules" which are easy

one candidate did his homework

the other apparently did not

Thank You...

Posted by: donna at April 11, 2016 12:05 PM (O2RFr)

356 Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 11, 2016 12:03 PM (9mTYi)

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Nailed it, Mike.

Posted by: Seems Legit at April 11, 2016 12:05 PM (U+nHb)

357 I need a beer. Stat.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at April 11, 2016 12:05 PM (wtvvX)

358 I'm really curious how much weight late primary momentum will give Cruz at the convention. He's going to come up short, and probably behind Trump, but he will have won the contest from the point it became a two-man race. Does that have an influence?

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at April 11, 2016 12:05 PM (evdj2)

359 the Delegate system in Colorado was changed about 6 months ago...

Posted by: Don Quixote at April 11, 2016 11:56 AM (qf6WZ)

And the score is now Oogy to Boogy

http://www.picpak.net/calvin/oldsite/images/oogy.gif

Posted by: Calvinball at April 11, 2016 12:05 PM (sH3Yt)

360 Cruz organized his ground game. Trump didn't.

The end.

Posted by: Lauren at April 11, 2016 12:05 PM (Fwv1e)

361 Hmmmm, Breast or Thigh?
Posted by: IP
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See: 324

I'm going with 'breast'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 11, 2016 12:05 PM (9mTYi)

362 I think DC would run better if there were more lawyers like Ted Cruz (and Mike Lee) with a deep understanding of and commitment to the Constitution.
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 11, 2016 11:55 AM (t5zYU)

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Such a deep commitment from someone who cannot even demonstrate his eligibility to run.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at April 11, 2016 12:06 PM (LXJ1e)

363 It's a political party, it's not a vote for office.

Does the NRA have statewide voting open to the public for its leaders?

Posted by: Jeepers at April 11, 2016 12:03 PM (A2FEp)

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Last I checked the president of the NRA doesn't show up on the ballot for POTUS. The argument that parties are private clubs and can do whatever they want doesn't hold any water, when 99.9% of the elected officials in the country belong to one of the 2 "private parties".

If they're just "private parties" why do we have primaries run by the secretary of state using tax dollars? Why do you have to be 18 and a US citizen to vote in a primary?

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 11, 2016 12:06 PM (0LHZx)

364 I agree Donna, calling Cruz sly because he knew what the hell was going on is silly.

He was smart.

Posted by: Seems Legit at April 11, 2016 12:06 PM (U+nHb)

365 a Hillary win is a GOPe win IMHO

ergo the GOPe does not care if they depress their vote

thy are pretending to be behind Cruz now, but they are really for Hillary

Posted by: ThunderB at April 11, 2016 11:47 AM
I disagree that A) They want Hillary, that's crazy, yeea the GOPe is fcked up but not that bad (yet) . B) That it's a victory for them. I think the ONLY positive out of this whole shit show is that they have been put on notice. I don't remember a time in my life where they didn't pick their candidate. (Yes they might try in Cleveland) But the reason these two are in the front says more about the GOPe than Cruz or Trump. People are pissed off and have had enough. I wish it was someone else leading the charge, but at least the GOPe has been served notice.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 11, 2016 12:06 PM (btH0m)

366 all candidates have to abide by the delegate rules of the state. There aren't "Trump rules" which are difficult and "Cruz rules" which are easy

one candidate did his homework

the other apparently did not

This I agree with.
Those pretending that party rules are these wonderful sacred things......not so much. I have about as much respect for them as the leadership does.

Posted by: Blue Hen at April 11, 2016 12:06 PM (326rv)

367 What the hell are you talking about? Colorado just gave Cruz 34 delegates without a single vote cast.
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That's not true. 3,500 people voted at the CO GOP statewide convention alone. You have to play to win.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 11, 2016 12:06 PM (t5zYU)

368 Welp, there goes the neighborhood.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 11, 2016 12:06 PM (lHb9q)

369 And Kasich is running hard to be Trump's VP as seen in Michigan.

Posted by: Lauren at April 11, 2016 12:06 PM (Fwv1e)

370 342 Donald Trump, Wharton-educated Northerner born into privilege and power, is the ultimate unperson. I'm sure he had a good cry about it over cocktails with Bill and Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 11, 2016 12:00 PM (t5zYU)

Exactly. He's the worse kind of unperson -a class traitor.

Posted by: Your Highly Educated and Well-Mannered Betters at April 11, 2016 12:02 PM (nbrY/)


Yeah... but at least he's not a Race Traitor like that Carson guy...

or a Gender Traitor like that Palin chick...

or just a PLAIN Traitor... like the Clinton's who sold the Chinese Rocket technology... and the Russians Uranium... and put Secrets on unclassified systems... and sent secrets in emails to people without security clearances.... and...

Posted by: Don Q... at April 11, 2016 12:07 PM (qf6WZ)

371 350
What the hell are you talking about? Colorado just gave Cruz 34 delegates without a single vote cast. This shit is supposed to happen in Havana and Pyongyang, not in Denver. The fact you don't see a problem with it says everything I need to know about the GOPe.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 11, 2016 11:58 AM (0LHZx)

Would you have the same complaint if Trump had won 34 delegates instead of Cruz?
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at April 11, 2016 12:01 PM (tV1bR)

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Yes I'd be complaining no matter who got what amount of delegates. I can't believe so many of you so-called conservatives see nothing wrong with a state essentially telling its voters to fuck off, we know what's best for you.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 11, 2016 12:03 PM (0LHZx)

Just trying to ascertain if your problem was with the process or the result.

Of course don't think a state should tell its voters to piss off, but it's not the state that's doing it. It's the CO GOP. If the repubs who live in CO have a problem with it, then they need to get involved and get the rules changed. Just like you would have to do with any other organization.

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at April 11, 2016 12:07 PM (tV1bR)

372 He's not being used. He's using the system. The same offer was open to all candidates including Trump but Trump decided to run a YOLO campaign and just wing it.

Now it's coming back to bite him and his supporters are upset and lashing out and in true Trump fashion blaming anyone but the person responsible, Donald J. Trump.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 11, 2016 11:51 AM (/tuJf)


Jack is right. Cruz and the GOPe are just playing the system the way the rules permit them to do.

If Trump just sits back and does nothing, he deserves to lose.

However, if, at the convention, a group just large enough to give Trump the nomination on the first ballot mysteriously switches their votes from Cruz, I certainly wouldn't want to hear any whining.

That's just how the game is played.

Now, I don't know if Trump is smart enough to realize how many delegates he needs or if he has any idea how to speak to people or bargain with them to win their support. We'll just have to wait and see.

God knows we were all surprised back in the day when Ace pointed out that Sarah Palin might be illiterate, or at the very least totally intellectually incurious.

Things pop up all the time that might change one's vote.

Posted by: jwest at April 11, 2016 12:07 PM (Zs4uk)

373
Such a deep commitment from someone who cannot even demonstrate his eligibility to run.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at April 11, 2016 12:06 PM (LXJ1e)

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You're kidding, right?

Please don't go down that road. It's weird enough here during election cycles.

Posted by: Seems Legit at April 11, 2016 12:08 PM (U+nHb)

374 Such a deep commitment from someone who cannot even demonstrate his eligibility to run.
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He's won every legal challenge thus far.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 11, 2016 12:08 PM (t5zYU)

375 all candidates have to abide by the delegate rules of the state. There aren't "Trump rules" which are difficult and "Cruz rules" which are easy
one candidate did his homework
the other apparently did not
Posted by: ThunderB at April 11, 2016 12:04 PM (zOTsN)

When as with free speech, you can stand on your right to say whatever you like and you're right, but you don't get to then demand a certain response from those who hear what you're saying.

No one is saying that what happened was illegal or illegitimate. They're saying the party itself, and the candidate who benefited, are no longer palatable.

Congratulations on your voterless victory, Ted, congratulations on the delegates you have snuck into districts Trump won in states that already voted, and good luck in the rest of the races.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 11, 2016 12:08 PM (xuouz)

376 358 I'm really curious how much weight late primary momentum will give Cruz at the convention. He's going to come up short, and probably behind Trump, but he will have won the contest from the point it became a two-man race. Does that have an influence?
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at April 11, 2016 12:05 PM (evdj2)

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Cruz will be blown out of the water in next couple of weeks.

Cruz knows his only chance is to game the system as much as possible.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at April 11, 2016 12:08 PM (LXJ1e)

377 The people who caucused in Colorado got to vote for delegates. The Trump supporters were out-voted. Coloradans supported a winner instead.

Blonde Obama's already gotten 45% of the delegates so far with 37% of the vote, a 22% "unfair" advantage, yet he's not asking for those delegates to vote their conscience--odd.

Not to mention a 5000% free media advantage.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at April 11, 2016 12:08 PM (Ndje9)

378 And Kasich is running hard to be Trump's VP as seen in Michigan.

I've said even thought I don't care for trump I will vote for Him if He gets the nod. That being said with Kasich as VP it will be really hard to do so...

Posted by: donna at April 11, 2016 12:08 PM (O2RFr)

379 That's not true. 3,500 people voted at the CO GOP statewide convention alone. You have to play to win.
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 11, 2016 12:06 PM (t5zYU)

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3500 out of a population of 5.5 million. Democracy in Action Baby!!

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 11, 2016 12:08 PM (0LHZx)

380 Minus that leading "When"

: /

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 11, 2016 12:08 PM (xuouz)

381 Such a deep commitment from someone who cannot even demonstrate his eligibility to run.

Heh. Any stick will do.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at April 11, 2016 12:08 PM (evdj2)

382 @325 Hammer, I'd have to see the rest of her dress (or undress) to say for sure, but that sure looks like a Gibson Girl to me. And I sure like them Gibson girls.

Yeah people forget how expensive and unattainable "art prints" used to be. A good calendar print was prized for years in many households. West of Laramie...

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 11, 2016 12:08 PM (xq1UY)

383 /peeks back in

/shoots thread with Davy Crockett

/departs again

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at April 11, 2016 12:09 PM (9krrF)

384 I disagree that A) They want Hillary, that's crazy, yeea the GOPe is fcked up but not that bad (yet) . B) That it's a victory for them. I think the ONLY positive out of this whole shit show is that they have been put on notice. I don't remember a time in my life where they didn't pick their candidate. (Yes they might try in Cleveland) But the reason these two are in the front says more about the GOPe than Cruz or Trump. People are pissed off and have had enough. I wish it was someone else leading the charge, but at least the GOPe has been served notice.

Posted by: Minnfidel



several of the professional republican political class have ALREADY said that given the choice between Cruz or Trump, THEY WOULD VOTE FOR HILLARY

Posted by: ThunderB at April 11, 2016 12:09 PM (zOTsN)

385 The argument that parties are private clubs and can do whatever they want doesn't hold any water, when 99.9% of the elected officials in the country belong to one of the 2 "private parties".

If they're just "private parties" why do we have primaries run by the secretary of state using tax dollars? Why do you have to be 18 and a US citizen to vote in a primary?
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo




Oh, and so if there's a rule like many states have that you have to be registered with that political party to participate in the primary, what do you think of that?

Also like Cuba?

Posted by: Jeepers at April 11, 2016 12:09 PM (A2FEp)

386 Posted by: Make America Great Again at April 11, 2016 12:06 PM (LXJ1e)

Perhaps you should demonstrate your ability to read and understand the law instead of parroting ignorant blather from the uninformed.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 11, 2016 12:09 PM (Zu3d9)

387 Welp, there goes the neighborhood.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon
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Leave me out of this... wait... you said said 'welp'. Never mind.

Posted by: A puppy at April 11, 2016 12:09 PM (9mTYi)

388 Cruz organized his ground game. Trump didn't.



The end.


So just to be clear:

The states that Trump won. Was his "ground game more organized" than Cruz ?

Or was that " a temper tantrum by LIV conservatives"?

You #nevertrumpers are getting more and more diffcult to follow.

Posted by: Mortimer at April 11, 2016 12:10 PM (X/uTF)

389 People forget: the election is a marathon, not a sprint.

Trump's running the 200m dash.

Cruz is running the marathon.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at April 11, 2016 12:10 PM (wtvvX)

390 "Game The system" Oh, good grief

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 11, 2016 12:10 PM (w4NZ8)

391 If the repubs who live in CO have a problem with it, then they need to get involved and get the rules changed. Just like you would have to do with any other organization.
Posted by: DoublySymmetric

Great idea. Maybe they'll take a vote on it.....Wait....

Posted by: Blue Hen at April 11, 2016 12:10 PM (326rv)

392 Cruz isn't "gaming the system" he's doing what every non-Donald Trump named candidate does every single election.

Posted by: Lauren at April 11, 2016 12:10 PM (Fwv1e)

393 Off in the distance....is it?....the first steel tube-railed rollercoaster?

Posted by: cthulhu at April 11, 2016 12:11 PM (EzgxV)

394 346 - Yep, and that often gets lost in the discussion. Trump has received sizable delegate advantage that he wouldn't have with a pure proportional system.

However, he has worked those winner take all states to his advantage and those delegates are now bound to him on the 1st ballot, per the rules. Nothing unseemly about it, even though I could technically complain that my Cruz vote in Florida has been disenfranchised by Trump getting 100% of the delegates here. But it wasn't.

Same point if Trump gets over 50% in New York and gets all the delegates there. That is the way that state's system works and he is reaping the benefit.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 11, 2016 12:11 PM (dtw1g)

395 Just trying to ascertain if your problem was with the process or the result.

Of course don't think a state should tell its voters to piss off, but it's not the state that's doing it. It's the CO GOP. If the repubs who live in CO have a problem with it, then they need to get involved and get the rules changed. Just like you would have to do with any other organization.
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at April 11, 2016 12:07 PM (tV1bR)

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Give me a break dude. You know very well there are about 100 Republicans in the state - any state for that matter - who understand these rules. Most people just go and vote on election day, they don't have time to pore over thousands of byzantine rules.

This is going to bit the GOP in the ass big time.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 11, 2016 12:11 PM (0LHZx)

396 So saying that Cruz has "stolen" delegates or that he's violated Federal campaign laws by coordinating with PACs isn't accusing the results of being illegitimate?

OK then.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at April 11, 2016 12:11 PM (t5zYU)

397
3500 out of a population of 5.5 million. Democracy in Action Baby!!
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 11, 2016 12:08 PM (0LHZx)

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Okay, so now we know you don't know how the primary system works. Good. we'll go from there.

Posted by: Seems Legit at April 11, 2016 12:12 PM (U+nHb)

398 Congratulations on your voterless victory, Ted, congratulations on the delegates you have snuck into districts Trump won in states that already voted, and good luck in the rest of the races.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 11, 2016 12:08 PM (xuouz)


it isnt too much to expect, to REQUIRE, that a man who wants to be POTUS, do his homework

time and again Trump has shown he cannot or will not. Not in his speeches, his policy positions, elections rules, or candidate message discipline

he should have done his homework

Posted by: ThunderB at April 11, 2016 12:12 PM (zOTsN)

399 Posted by: A puppy


*****


Screw you! I wanted a pony!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 11, 2016 12:12 PM (lHb9q)

400 Well this has certainly turned out to be the perfect piece of art for this thread....

Posted by: donna at April 11, 2016 12:13 PM (O2RFr)

401 Would a horizontally circular storm actually fix Donald's hair?

Posted by: Horsemen riding down valley at April 11, 2016 12:13 PM (DL2i+)

402
*stamps foot*

This just isn't fair !

Posted by: A Strumpet at April 11, 2016 12:13 PM (9mTYi)

403 "The states that Trump won. Was his "ground game more organized" than Cruz ?"

What? You're conflating completely different issues.

Posted by: Lauren at April 11, 2016 12:13 PM (Fwv1e)

404 It's very illuminating to see the true nature of the Trump haters. Democracy and voting? Pffft. That's too important to be left to the great unwashed. You just sit back, relax and let the important people do the voting.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 11, 2016 12:13 PM (0LHZx)

405
Oh, and so if there's a rule like many states have that you have to be registered with that political party to participate in the primary, what do you think of that?

Also like Cuba?
Posted by: Jeepers

1. What happened to the NRA? Supposedly that had some relevance (fucked if I know why).
2. Closed primaries? So that republicans vote for their party and dems vote for their theirs? That? Yeah. Open primaries and same day changes are just that; open and easy paths for fraud.

Posted by: Blue Hen at April 11, 2016 12:13 PM (326rv)

406 People are pissed off and have had enough. I wish it was someone else leading the charge, but at least the GOPe has been served notice.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 11, 2016 12:06 PM (btH0m)

Damn, that was a close one! Next time we fix it so they won't even get on the ballot.

Back to business as usual... Hey, let's have a money fight!!!!

Posted by: GOPe at April 11, 2016 12:13 PM (sH3Yt)

407 TRUMP IS SMART.

FREDO IS SMART.

TRUMP = FREDO.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at April 11, 2016 12:14 PM (wtvvX)

408 I actually LOVE that it was stolen from Trump like this, it just completely deflates his alpha dog "I always win!" bullshit.

If a billionaire "dealmaker" couldn't figure out a way to stop Cruz from pulling this off in Colorado, he will obviously be destroyed in a real election.

The only reason Trump "wins" is because he inherited a shit load of money and real estate from his daddy Everything past that point is a string of failures. Had the guy just dumped his inheritance into an index fund, he would be much richer than all his "fabulous" dealmaking.

Posted by: Jeepers at April 11, 2016 12:14 PM (A2FEp)

409 lol he's not "gaming the system" you stupid hayseeds he's doing what it takes, out of the view and against the will of the voting public, to secure power.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 11, 2016 12:14 PM (xuouz)

410 Well this has certainly turned out to be the perfect piece of art for this thread....

Threadwinner!

Posted by: Blue Hen at April 11, 2016 12:14 PM (326rv)

411 >>It's very illuminating to see the true nature of the Trump haters.

Equally interesting to see the true nature of Trump supporters.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 11, 2016 12:14 PM (/tuJf)

412 Screw you! I wanted a pony!
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon
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Whelp, never look a gift horse in the mouth.

Posted by: Wisdom, echoing across the ages. at April 11, 2016 12:15 PM (9mTYi)

413 Here's a fun thought experiment: who would have won Colorado if they'd held a vote?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 11, 2016 12:15 PM (xuouz)

414 We've skipped bargaining and gone straight to anger.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at April 11, 2016 12:15 PM (evdj2)

415 departs again
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at April 11, 2016 12:09 PM (9krrF)

If you had stayed longer, I could have bought you lunch. ;^) I don't feel much like engaging in the voter wars either. No sustained energy for that today

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 11, 2016 12:15 PM (w4NZ8)

416
Well..... Im gonna give the Democrats credit for something.

They got super delegates not bound by any of the pissants actually voting and controlled by the party leaders.

Theyre at least up front and honest about it.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 11, 2016 12:15 PM (8XRCm)

417 "Give me a break dude. You know very well there are about 100 Republicans in the state - any state for that matter - who understand these rules. "

And the person running for presidents should be one of those people, or at least have one of those people on staff, no?

Posted by: Lauren at April 11, 2016 12:15 PM (Fwv1e)

418 Okay, so now we know you don't know how the primary system works. Good. we'll go from there.
Posted by: Seems Legit at April 11, 2016 12:12 PM (U+nHb)

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Oh please enlighten me oh great sage of Colorado voting. It's funny when a poll comes out and it has a sample size of 1500, people say pffft, 1500 people, that BS, no way 1500 people represents the public at large. Bur apparently 3500 "voting" in Colorado, represents all 5.5M Colorado citizens.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 11, 2016 12:15 PM (0LHZx)

419 415 departs again
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at April 11, 2016 12:09 PM (9krrF)

If you had stayed longer, I could have bought you lunch. ;^) I don't feel much like engaging in the voter wars either. No sustained energy for that today


Agreed....

Posted by: donna at April 11, 2016 12:16 PM (O2RFr)

420 I didn't realize the Colorado was such a swing State. Maybe Trump should threaten to sue them like Iowa.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at April 11, 2016 12:16 PM (tm6wE)

421 >>>>What the hell are you talking about? Colorado just gave Cruz 34 delegates without a single vote cast.

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That's not true. 3,500 people voted at the CO GOP statewide convention alone. You have to play to win.
.
.
.
.And this whole change started in 2012 due to Ron Paul gaming the old system. This entire change was a transparent process and the Republican voters of CO did get to vote on the change. It is what the Majority of Republicans who actually showed up at the Convention wanted.

People really need to let it go. All Trump had to do was read the rules and actually spend some time in CO just like Cruz did.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 11, 2016 12:16 PM (iONHu)

422 Well..... Im gonna give the Democrats credit for something.

They got super delegates not bound by any of the pissants actually voting and controlled by the party leaders.

Theyre at least up front and honest about it.
Posted by: fixerupper at April 11, 2016 12:15 PM (8XRCm)

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Yep. As usual, the Dems and Reps do and believe in the same things. The Dems are at least honest about it.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 11, 2016 12:16 PM (0LHZx)

423 Give me a break dude. You know very well there are about 100 Republicans in the state - any state for that matter - who understand these rules. Most people just go and vote on election day, they don't have time to pore over thousands of byzantine rules.

This is going to bit the GOP in the ass big time.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 11, 2016 12:11 PM (0LHZx)

It might bite them.

However, maybe being a member of an organization should require more than showing up and voting once a year.

There is such a thing as being willfully ignorant. If the people of Colorado are outraged, then maybe they should have been involved before now.

If I want to play sheepshead with my friends, I'm expected to know and play by the rules, and not bitch, moan, and whine about them when they "don't make any sense".

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at April 11, 2016 12:17 PM (tV1bR)

424
Oh please enlighten me oh great sage of Colorado
voting. It's funny when a poll comes out and it has a sample size of
1500, people say pffft, 1500 people, that BS, no way 1500 people
represents the public at large. Bur apparently 3500 "voting" in
Colorado, represents all 5.5M Colorado citizens.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 11, 2016 12:15 PM (0LHZx)

Who said it did?

Posted by: Tex Lovera at April 11, 2016 12:17 PM (wtvvX)

425 .And this whole change started in 2012 due to Ron Paul gaming the old system. T
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 11, 2016 12:16 PM (iONHu)

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Oh?

the Delegate system in Colorado was changed about 6 months ago...
Posted by: Don Quixote at April 11, 2016 11:56 AM (qf6WZ)



Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 11, 2016 12:17 PM (0LHZx)

426 hahahah, I love these threads. I really do. You can't use logic, reason or facts to change a person's opinion if they don't want it changed.

It's okay, I don't hate anyone here, it's just a sampling of human nature.

I never take these threads personally. No one should (except of course Ace who has to deal with any fall out).

Posted by: Seems Legit at April 11, 2016 12:17 PM (U+nHb)

427 You're kidding, right?

Please don't go down that road. It's weird enough here during election cycles.
Posted by: Seems Legit at April 11, 2016 12:08 PM (U+nHb)

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Well he hasn't.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at April 11, 2016 12:17 PM (LXJ1e)

428 The only reason Trump "wins" is because he inherited a shit load of money and real estate from his daddy Everything past that point is a string of failures. Had the guy just dumped his inheritance into an index fund, he would be much richer than all his "fabulous" dealmaking.
Posted by: Jeepers at April 11, 2016 12:14 PM (A2FEp)

And pro-Trump posters are the ones being accused of being paid socks.

He and his siblings all inherited the same amount of money. He is the richest by far, and he did it by employing people and building things and not just by "dumping his money in an index fund."

I'm sure if that was what he'd done you'd really respect him more.

The cult of hatred of Trump is at least as delusional as the koolaid drinking support of him.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 11, 2016 12:18 PM (xuouz)

429 Posted by: MIRROR UNIVERSE MY RECTUM at April 11, 2016 12:16 PM (XzRw1)

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Yeah, fuck you too.

At least my comment will stick around.

Posted by: Texas at April 11, 2016 12:18 PM (rlfds)

430 However, maybe being a member of an organization should require more than showing up and voting once a year.

There is such a thing as being willfully ignorant. If the people of Colorado are outraged, then maybe they should have been involved before now.

If I want to play sheepshead with my friends, I'm expected to know and play by the rules, and not bitch, moan, and whine about them when they "don't make any sense".
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at April 11, 2016 12:17 PM (tV1bR)

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Yes because playing sheepshead and electing the president is about equally important.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 11, 2016 12:18 PM (0LHZx)

431 Of the votes the candidates have received I'd love to know how many were from Republicans who registered to vote in this specific primary.

Also, you often hear that Trump can pull votes from the Democrats. Is there any evidence of that, or is it a street myth?

Posted by: MTF at April 11, 2016 12:19 PM (/m8T6)

432 Give me a break dude. You know very well there are about 100 Republicans in the state - any state for that matter - who understand these rules. "

And the person running for presidents should be one of those people, or at least have one of those people on staff, no?

Posted by: Lauren a


^^^^^^^

this. the best people, really, just the best people

do your homework

Posted by: ThunderB at April 11, 2016 12:19 PM (zOTsN)

433 This is Trumps fault entirely. Corey Lewandowski has never once run a political campaign. He worked at AFP and did alot of local GOP stuff in NH before this. He is an amateur and in over his head. Cruz has seasoned political staff that know what they're doing. Trump is forced to play catch up now bc he is only just now realizing that his staff isn't adequate and are failing him. None of his staff even seemed aware of how the delegate process works until Louisiana when Cruz won more delegates than he did despite Trump winning the state. They didn't seem to understand how a caucus works either until after he lost Iowa.

Posted by: L, Elle at April 11, 2016 12:19 PM (2x3L+)

434 Where's Michelle Fields? What did you thugs do to her??

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 11, 2016 12:19 PM (iQIUe)

435 The only reason Trump "wins" is because he inherited a shit load of money and real estate from his daddy Everything past that point is a string of failures. Had the guy just dumped his inheritance into an index fund, he would be much richer than all his "fabulous" dealmaking.
Posted by: Jeepers at April 11, 2016 12:14 PM (A2FEp)

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Well that and one other minor thing...he gets more votes than anyone else. Which apparently in not a concern in Colorado.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 11, 2016 12:19 PM (0LHZx)

436 I don't know why Trump and his supporters are so upset.

Ignoramus (235) makes a good point. He'll still be very close to the threshold on first ballot, and the Cruz brand will be tarnished somewhat for being being allied with the universally despised GOPe ranks.

How much has Cruz is damaged? Who knows, but Trump is close enough to close the deal- Not by running a competent campaign, mind you, but by bribing the right people, which is what he's supposedly good at.

I'll support Cruz or Trump in the general.

Posted by: Cooldawg at April 11, 2016 12:19 PM (BR4lE)

437 Posted by: donna at April 11, 2016 12:16 PM (O2RFr)

Let's all go out to lunch-The ones who don't want to argue about politics, I mean. Let's have a great , expensive lunch in a place recommended by CBD and charge the whole thing to Ace. ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 11, 2016 12:19 PM (w4NZ8)

438 354

all candidates have to abide by the delegate rules of the state. There aren't "Trump rules" which are difficult and "Cruz rules" which are easy

one candidate did his homework

the other apparently did not

Posted by: ThunderB at April 11, 2016 12:04 PM (zOTsN)


Do you really think it was the Cruz campaign who organized this???

Or was it State Organizations, which already pretty much existed, organizing this...

Do you really think Cruz even knew the rules in Colorado? or it was a Nation wide organization that he somehow supposedly created inside of a few months?

Or, was it network of State Insiders, the party loyal... who already had infrastructure and organization in place...

Insiders who are now all #neverTrump


Posted by: Don Q... at April 11, 2016 12:20 PM (qf6WZ)

439 I'm just amazed at the butthurt over Colorado.

I don't hear any of those against Trump complaining about him getting 100% of the South Carolina delegates, despite winning less than 50% of the vote.

Your guy screwed up in Colorado, deal with it.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 11, 2016 12:20 PM (dtw1g)

440 437 Posted by: donna at April 11, 2016 12:16 PM (O2RFr)

Let's all go out to lunch-The ones who don't want to argue about politics, I mean. Let's have a great , expensive lunch in a place recommended by CBD and charge the whole thing to Ace. ;^

Count Me in...

Posted by: donna at April 11, 2016 12:20 PM (O2RFr)

441 You do know a primary isn't the election?

5.5 million won't vote in a primary.

Oh, forget it. Keep loving that chicken, and by loving I mean, oh, never mind.

Posted by: Seems Legit at April 11, 2016 12:20 PM (U+nHb)

442 Ace should do a poll. Will never happen, and wouldn't be accurate anyway, but it would be fascinating to see.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 11, 2016 12:20 PM (xuouz)

443 Maybe change the party animal to a Weasel - just for primary season.

Posted by: DaveA at April 11, 2016 12:20 PM (DL2i+)

444 None of his staff even seemed aware of how the delegate process works until Louisiana when Cruz won more delegates than he did despite Trump winning the state. They didn't seem to understand how a caucus works either until after he lost Iowa.
Posted by: L, Elle at April 11, 2016 12:19 PM (2x3L+)

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Say that back to yourself. Trump won the state but Cruz got more delegates. Say it 5 or 6 more times to yourself.

Then come back and explain to me how a system where Candida A wins more votes than Candidate B, ends up losing the state.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 11, 2016 12:20 PM (0LHZx)

445
I did that whole precinct captain/ state convention delegate thing once and I have no doubt Cruz organized to the rules, BUT let me disabuse anybody of thinking the state GOP is representative of their base. They are as corrupt here as anywhere and I saw them use new party rules to totally shut out tea party supporters. The winners are pre-selected.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 11, 2016 12:21 PM (ODxAs)

446 Exactly, Elle.

Trump didn't "hire the best people" for his campaign and this is the result.

Posted by: Lauren at April 11, 2016 12:21 PM (Fwv1e)

447 Nood.

Posted by: HH at April 11, 2016 12:21 PM (DrCtv)

448 "Sen. Cokebear"... sock thread winnah!

BTW, Gabe fully supported her.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 11, 2016 12:21 PM (3MK6t)

449 401 Would a horizontally circular storm actually fix Donald's hair?

---

Dronestrike & Lawsuit

Posted by: Donand at April 11, 2016 12:21 PM (PNcou)

450 430 However, maybe being a member of an organization should require more than showing up and voting once a year.

There is such a thing as being willfully ignorant. If the people of Colorado are outraged, then maybe they should have been involved before now.

If I want to play sheepshead with my friends, I'm expected to know and play by the rules, and not bitch, moan, and whine about them when they "don't make any sense".
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at April 11, 2016 12:17 PM (tV1bR)

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Yes because playing sheepshead and electing the president is about equally important.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 11, 2016 12:18 PM (0LHZx)

Strange, I didn't write anything about them being equal in importance. I was making a point about understanding rules, tho.

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at April 11, 2016 12:21 PM (tV1bR)

451 Speaking of Colorado, John Denver was a better pilot than he was a singer.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 11, 2016 12:21 PM (lHb9q)

452 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 11, 2016 12:19 PM (w4NZ

Ooooh....how about Sushi Yasuda? Yankee Fifth was talking about it yesterday.

Several hundred $$$$/person.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 11, 2016 12:21 PM (Zu3d9)

453 >>>>And this whole change started in 2012 due to Ron Paul gaming the old system. T

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 11, 2016 12:16 PM (iONHu)



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Oh?



the Delegate system in Colorado was changed about 6 months ago...

Posted by: Don Quixote at April 11, 2016 11:56 AM (qf6WZ)





.
.
.
.And yes the process took that long. There are articles from the Denver Post on Drudge that outline the entire process form the 2012 Primaries to the final rule change last August, all you have to do is read them.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 11, 2016 12:21 PM (iONHu)

454 Wow, I didn't know I was gonna come back here as an election thief. I thought I just looked at the rules and the calendar, showed up, and voted

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 11, 2016 12:21 PM (ZTnvc)

455 I'll support Cruz or Trump in the general.
Posted by: Cooldawg at April 11, 2016 12:19 PM (BR4lE)


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As will I. Im just afraid we're going to irreparably damage the process and the party in making that choice.

How we choose our leader is almost more important than the leader we choose.

An I am not encouraged.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 11, 2016 12:22 PM (8XRCm)

456 Hey I know. Let's have all elections run Colorado style. We will pick 100 people from each state, they meet over the weekend at a hotel in Denver, on Monday morning they announce the results.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 11, 2016 12:22 PM (0LHZx)

457 Posted by: L, Elle at April 11, 2016 12:19 PM (2x3L+)

Uh.... how do your run an outsider against Washington Campaign...

While employing all Washington insiders?

We are seeing the power of the insiders... of the system...

Posted by: Don Q... at April 11, 2016 12:22 PM (qf6WZ)

458 I fault Cruz for not doing better on Super Tuesday. He could have this locked up if he had persuaded the southern blue collar vote.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at April 11, 2016 12:22 PM (evdj2)

459 >>And the person running for presidents should be one of those people, or at least have one of those people on staff, no?

Trump has one of them. Now. He hired a couple weeks ago when Mr Jazz Hands got a little too grabby and it became obvious they didn't have anyone on the staff who knew about the state rules.

And this guy has been a party apparatchik since helping Ford get delegates against Reagan so you know he is a true outsider.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 11, 2016 12:22 PM (/tuJf)

460 "back and explain to me how a system where Candida A wins more votes than Candidate B, ends up losing the state.
"

Because we are a constitutional republic not a democracy.

Posted by: Lauren at April 11, 2016 12:22 PM (Fwv1e)

461 >>>>>Well that and one other minor thing...he gets more votes than anyone else. Which apparently in not a concern in Colorado.
.
.
.
.Not a concern in Louisiana, Tennessee or Pennsylvania either.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 11, 2016 12:22 PM (iONHu)

462 Here is an analysis from Forbes:
http://tinyurl.com/nehyhhx

There's all sorts of others all over the place.

Trump would be about $10 billion richer had he just dropped it into an index fund.

But we wouldn't have those fabulous Trump steaks or Trump University.



Posted by: Jeepers at April 11, 2016 12:22 PM (A2FEp)

463 Candida A wins more votes than Candidate B, ends up losing the state.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 11, 2016 12:20 PM (0LHZx)

I see what you did there.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 11, 2016 12:23 PM (xuouz)

464 Strange, I didn't write anything about them being equal in importance. I was making a point about understanding rules, tho.
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at April 11, 2016 12:21 PM (tV1bR)

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And I was making a point about how comparing rules of a game vs rules of electing POTUS is ridiculous.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 11, 2016 12:23 PM (0LHZx)

465 And this guy has been a party apparatchik since helping Ford get delegates against Reagan so you know he is a true outsider.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 11, 2016 12:22 PM (/tuJf)

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heh

Posted by: Seems Legit at April 11, 2016 12:23 PM (U+nHb)

466 So the CO convention rules were available for months
Trump again shits the bed and its the establishment rising up to block
him...of course the establishment candidate for the CO R Senate race got
crushed, but why mention that.



Its almost like someone made sure they had a strong grassroots ready
to go...meanwhile another Presidential candidate can't even get his own
children to properly register to vote for him in his home state.



I think I'll stick with the ruthlessly efficient grassroots builder...

Posted by: H Badger at April 11, 2016 11:13 AM (n/0Nw)

Me too...
The other guy whines like a little bitch constantly.

Posted by: redbanzai at April 11, 2016 12:23 PM (3JA/M)

467 All Trump had to do was hire someone to read the rules and actually spend some time in CO just like Cruz did.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman
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Edited

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 11, 2016 12:23 PM (9mTYi)

468 Count Me in...
Posted by: donna at April 11, 2016 12:20 PM (O2RFr)

I am going to order the $15.00 lobster roll and hand cut fries.. What expensive thing on the menu looks good to you?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 11, 2016 12:23 PM (w4NZ8)

469 Trump would be about $10 billion richer had he just dropped it into an index fund.
Posted by: Jeepers at April 11, 2016 12:22 PM (A2FEp)

Right and my contention is

A) instead he built a series of companies that employs tens of thousands of people and isn't that better?
B) you're just another sycophant using this as a convenient way to insult him, you wouldn't respect him any more if he had done what you say, you'd just attack him for being a trust fund kid.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 11, 2016 12:24 PM (xuouz)

470 .And yes the process took that long. There are articles from the Denver Post on Drudge that outline the entire process form the 2012 Primaries to the final rule change last August, all you have to do is read them.



Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 11, 2016 12:21 PM (iONHu)


The same Denver Post that about 12 people in Denver read...

Posted by: Don Q... at April 11, 2016 12:24 PM (qf6WZ)

471 Do you really think it was the Cruz campaign who organized this???

Or was it State Organizations, which already pretty much existed, organizing this...

Do you really think Cruz even knew the rules in Colorado? or it was a Nation wide organization that he somehow supposedly created inside of a few months?

Or, was it network of State Insiders, the party loyal... who already had infrastructure and organization in place...

Insiders who are now all #neverTrump


Posted by: Don Q... at April 11, 2016 12:20 PM (qf6WZ)


FL was made winner take all in a rule change meant to benefit BUSH

instead, it benefited Trump

Cruz knew this and didnt whine

it isnt too much to expect the candidates to know the rules and work them

if he cant do that, then good luck getting "great" deals with hostile powers

Posted by: ThunderB at April 11, 2016 12:24 PM (zOTsN)

472 I kind of hope Cruz or Ryan is the nominee so I can vote against them in November. Fuck the GOP.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 11, 2016 12:24 PM (0LHZx)

473 464 Strange, I didn't write anything about them being equal in importance. I was making a point about understanding rules, tho.
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at April 11, 2016 12:21 PM (tV1bR)

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And I was making a point about how comparing rules of a game vs rules of electing POTUS is ridiculous.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 11, 2016 12:23 PM (0LHZx)

And yet, the rules remain...

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at April 11, 2016 12:25 PM (tV1bR)

474 However, maybe being a member of an organization should require more than showing up and voting once a year.

There is such a thing as being willfully ignorant. If the people of Colorado are outraged, then maybe they should have been involved before now.

If I want to play sheepshead with my friends, I'm expected to know and play by the rules, and not bitch, moan, and whine about them when they "don't make any sense".
Posted by: DoublySymmetric

1. I dunno what the fuck 'sheepshead' is and I don't wanna know.
2. We used to be in favor of measures that made us and our state organizations more open, not less.
3. We witnessed hostility to the results of primaries and how established interests fought them, often successfully.
4. Desiring a closed, state wide primary is not an example of being ignorant. It's is, or was, considered to be an ideal. Then, the debate was whether 'winner takes all' or proportional winning was best.
5.Those bitching about the rules are doing so largely because their desired candidate failed to act locally, and it cost him.

Posted by: Blue Hen at April 11, 2016 12:25 PM (326rv)

475 >>Then come back and explain to me how a system where Candida A wins more votes than Candidate B, ends up losing the state.

Do you still think Gore beat Bush?

Posted by: JackStraw at April 11, 2016 12:25 PM (/tuJf)

476 And yet, the rules remain...
Posted by: DoublySymmetric

As does syphilis.

Posted by: Blue Hen at April 11, 2016 12:26 PM (326rv)

477 Where's Michelle Fields? What did you thugs do to her??

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 11, 2016 12:19 PM (iQIUe)
___________________________

I'm bound and gagged,,, oh and in a body cast...


Posted by: Michelle Fields at April 11, 2016 12:26 PM (HSmrB)

478 FL was made winner take all in a rule change meant to benefit BUSH

Posted by: ThunderB at April 11, 2016 12:24 PM (zOTsN)

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Nope. FL was winner take all in 2012.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 11, 2016 12:26 PM (0LHZx)

479 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 11, 2016 12:21 PM (Zu3d9)

Ooookay As long as it is charged to Ace money is no object. :^) I can do Sushi instead of a Lobster roll and then some of cake-the picture of which you posted yesterday sounds good. And then i will come back for a nap; It's my day off.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 11, 2016 12:26 PM (w4NZ8)

480 475 >>Then come back and explain to me how a system where Candida A wins more votes than Candidate B, ends up losing the state.

Do you still think Gore beat Bush?
Posted by: JackStraw at April 11, 2016 12:25 PM (/tuJf)

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Since when do state primaries have an electoral college?

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 11, 2016 12:27 PM (0LHZx)

481 I fault Cruz for not doing better on Super Tuesday.
He could have this locked up if he had persuaded the southern blue
collar vote.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at April 11, 2016 12:22 PM (evdj2)

I don't... that was when Trump was still lying about his intent to curb the visa programs and deport illegals. Those blue collar workers, unless they did their own research into the Donald's past, were working off of faulty information and Cruz was working in the midst of Trumpmania.

Posted by: redbanzai at April 11, 2016 12:27 PM (3JA/M)

482 None of his staff even seemed aware of how the delegate process works until Louisiana when Cruz won more delegates than he did despite Trump winning the state. They didn't seem to understand how a caucus works either until after he lost Iowa.

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When i heard Donald complaining that he lost despite getting more votes, i thought to myself, so he thinks Gore should have won in 2000.

Posted by: Donand at April 11, 2016 12:27 PM (PNcou)

483 Cruz is running the marathon.
You know how the first marathon ended, don't you?

Posted by: andycanuck at April 11, 2016 12:27 PM (3MK6t)

484 Nude Outwardly Focus Outrage thread

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at April 11, 2016 12:27 PM (evdj2)

485 Trump would be about $10 billion richer had he just dropped it into an index fund.
Posted by: Jeepers at April 11, 2016 12:22 PM (A2FEp)

Right and my contention is

A) instead he built a series of companies that employs tens of thousands of people and isn't that better?
B) you're just another sycophant using this as a convenient way to insult him, you wouldn't respect him any more if he had done what you say, you'd just attack him for being a trust fund kid.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane

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I would respect him a LOT more had he built his "empire" from the ground up, it would tell me you have some smarts to accomplish that.

But if the guy's fortune came from his parents and even then he blew through a lot of it on bad deals and bankruptcies, it's no different than a Powerball winner.

Posted by: Jeepers at April 11, 2016 12:28 PM (A2FEp)

486 Commenting on AoSHQ is not the way to demonstrate good character....

C'mon most of us are Great Characters.

Rolls a 13 for svenglish.

Posted by: DaveA at April 11, 2016 12:28 PM (DL2i+)

487 New White House straetery for Daesh

#ENOUGH

Posted by: Waiting for UFOs at April 11, 2016 12:28 PM (e8kgV)

488 Remember all the mocking here when Hillary won 6 coin tosses out of 6? Oh man those Dems are sooooooo corrupt all the so-called conservatives here wailed. But Colorado have a non-voting election....totes not corrupt.

So-called conservatives....gotta love em

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 11, 2016 12:28 PM (0LHZx)

489 We need a little good news.

http://tinyurl.com/zpxpzx7

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at April 11, 2016 12:28 PM (Nwg0u)

490

if you are whining, you are losing

winners dont whine

Posted by: ThunderB at April 11, 2016 12:29 PM (zOTsN)

491 >>Since when do state primaries have an electoral college?

It's called knowing the rules of the game you are playing. The rules where changed in Colorado were changed last summer and it was not a secret at all.

Losers whine about the rules, winners go home and bang the cheerleader.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 11, 2016 12:29 PM (/tuJf)

492 all candidates have to abide by the delegate rules of the state. There aren't "Trump rules" which are difficult and "Cruz rules" which are easy

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The Cruz abides

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at April 11, 2016 12:29 PM (PNcou)

493 474 However, maybe being a member of an organization should require more than showing up and voting once a year.

There is such a thing as being willfully ignorant. If the people of Colorado are outraged, then maybe they should have been involved before now.

If I want to play sheepshead with my friends, I'm expected to know and play by the rules, and not bitch, moan, and whine about them when they "don't make any sense".
Posted by: DoublySymmetric

1. I dunno what the fuck 'sheepshead' is and I don't wanna know.
2. We used to be in favor of measures that made us and our state organizations more open, not less.
3. We witnessed hostility to the results of primaries and how established interests fought them, often successfully.
4. Desiring a closed, state wide primary is not an example of being ignorant. It's is, or was, considered to be an ideal. Then, the debate was whether 'winner takes all' or proportional winning was best.
5.Those bitching about the rules are doing so largely because their desired candidate failed to act locally, and it cost him.
Posted by: Blue Hen at April 11, 2016 12:25 PM (326rv)

1. Card game
2. I'm in favor of those measures.
3. Saw that in the last primary for central Iowa's congressman. No primary candidate got above the threshold, so the party selected their preferred candidate - the one who came in last.
4. Concur with the closed part of that (prefer caucuses, but I'm a strange duck). Why should someone not apart of the party help select its nominees?

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at April 11, 2016 12:29 PM (tV1bR)

494 It's wonderful to see so-called conservatives shitting on Trump because he made lots of money. Maybe we should tax him at 95% as punishment, eh?

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 11, 2016 12:29 PM (0LHZx)

495 None of his staff even seemed aware of how the delegate process works until Louisiana when Cruz won more delegates than he did despite Trump winning the state. They didn't seem to understand how a caucus works either until after he lost Iowa.

___________

Trump after he lost in Iowa:

"Donald Trump on Wednesday morning acknowledged that his campaign may have needed a more robust operation in Iowa, noting that he only recently learned what the term "ground game" means.

"I think we could've used a better ground game, a term I wasn't even familiar with. You know, when you hear 'ground game,' you say, 'What the hell is that?' Now I'm familiar with it," Trump said on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" when asked if his campaign needed better organization to win in Iowa."

Posted by: Jeepers at April 11, 2016 12:30 PM (A2FEp)

496 Losers whine about the rules, winners go home and bang the cheerleader.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 11, 2016 12:29 PM (/tuJf)

lol scoreboard

Cruz just netted 34 delegates. He only needs 198 more to tie Trump!

Good luck in New York!

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at April 11, 2016 12:31 PM (xuouz)

497 Losers whine about the rules, winners go home and bang the cheerleader.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 11, 2016 12:29 PM (/tuJf)

Mr. Connery says,

"Their best! They're always whining about their best!"

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at April 11, 2016 12:31 PM (tV1bR)

498 Then come back and explain to me how a system where Candida A wins more votes than Candidate B, ends up losing the state.

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^^^^THIS

Posted by: President Al Gore at April 11, 2016 12:31 PM (PNcou)

499 It's called knowing the rules of the game you are playing. The rules where changed in Colorado were changed last summer and it was not a secret at all.

Losers whine about the rules, winners go home and bang the cheerleader.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 11, 2016 12:29 PM (/tuJf)

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So now the rules were changed last summer?

And this whole change started in 2012 due to Ron Paul gaming the old system.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 11, 2016 12:16 PM (iONHu)

the Delegate system in Colorado was changed about 6 months ago...
Posted by: Don Quixote at April 11, 2016 11:56 AM (qf6WZ)

Thanks for proving the point. The rules are so archaic that you don't even know when they were changed.


Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 11, 2016 12:31 PM (0LHZx)

500 Your guy screwed up in Colorado, deal with it.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 11, 2016 12:20 PM (dtw1g)

And that my friends is how you convince Trump supporters to get over their disillusionment and vote for Cruz in November.

Well, that and a "stop whining and rent a U-Haul, jobless losers" articles from Kevin Williamson and Erick Erickson

Posted by: kbdabear at April 11, 2016 12:32 PM (sH3Yt)

501 >>Cruz just netted 34 delegates. He only needs 198 more to tie Trump!

Probably less. You don't think Rubio is going to give Mr. Hot Dog Fingers his delegates, do you?

Posted by: JackStraw at April 11, 2016 12:32 PM (/tuJf)

502 R's can do what they want in their own primary, but representative form of elections can be just as bad, in their own way, as the mob rule of a pure democracy and their case certainly isn't helped by their efforts to keep other parties off the ballot. Getting rid of the strangle hold R's and D's have on the system is the first step to reform, nothing will change as long as they're the ones in power.

Posted by: All Teh Meh at April 11, 2016 12:33 PM (A18Zm)

503 "And Kasich is running hard to be Trump's VP as seen in Michigan."

Kasich may not be Trump's first pick (nor mine!) but he'd bring at least 66 Ohio delegates as a First Ballot Dowry. He can also help Trump win states like OH and PA. Stranger deals have been struck.

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 11, 2016 12:33 PM (r1fLd)

504 Don't worry. Be happy.

Posted by: Soona at April 11, 2016 12:34 PM (Fmupd)

505 Since when do state primaries have an electoral college?



It's called knowing the rules of the game you are playing. The rules
where changed in Colorado were changed last summer and it was not a
secret at all.



Losers whine about the rules, winners go home and bang the cheerleader.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 11, 2016 12:29 PM (/tuJf)

AND CO never planned a primary anyway... they planned caucuses to choose unbound delegates but moved to conventions to choose bound delegates when the RNC informed them that their planned methodology would violate national rules.

Posted by: redbanzai at April 11, 2016 12:34 PM (3JA/M)

506 Did you mean, "Canada Eh", M Moo Moo?

Posted by: andycanuck at April 11, 2016 12:34 PM (3MK6t)

507 I don't like the caucus system either, but it's nothing new. I went to one for the first time during this primary season. Less than 100 people show up. People volunteer or get nominated to be state delegates, none of whom you know. They get to back whomever they like as a delegate according to the state rules. None of this was a mystery.

Trump sincerely seemed mystified that Cruz was picking up more delegates in states that he didn't win. He pays people to know this stuff. Honestly, I really don't think he expected to do as well as he did early on. He had a small operation that carried him only so far and thought he could maintain that level of staff and keep working with the same model that made him constant news. He simy doesn't have a 50 state strategy and never thought he needed one. He has tried to run his campaign on the cheap and it's starting to show now. To his credit, he seems to be trying to retool and address the weaknesses within his own campaign staff.

Posted by: L, Elle at April 11, 2016 12:34 PM (2x3L+)

508 Trump isnt saying he got beat. He's saying he didnt know the rules

well who prevented him from knowing that?

Its not fair cause I didnt do my homework? Really? and you want to be the leader of the free world?

Posted by: ThunderB at April 11, 2016 12:35 PM (zOTsN)

509 So. Run like hell or pitch a tent and ride it out?

Posted by: joncelli

Fly, you fools.

Posted by: Gandalf at April 11, 2016 12:35 PM (VAsIq)

510 Losers whine about the rules, winners go home and bang the cheerleader.

Posted by: JackStraw

*hides pompoms*

Posted by: the chicken at April 11, 2016 12:37 PM (VAsIq)

511 >Since when do state primaries have an electoral college?

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isn't that what DELEGATES are essentially?

Posted by: President Al Gore at April 11, 2016 12:38 PM (PNcou)

512 497 Losers whine about the rules, winners go home and bang the cheerleader.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 11, 2016 12:29 PM (/tuJf)


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THIS

Posted by: UCONN Ladies basketball team at April 11, 2016 12:40 PM (PNcou)

513 Kasich may not be Trump's first pick (nor mine!) but
he'd bring at least 66 Ohio delegates as a First Ballot Dowry. He can
also help Trump win states like OH and PA. Stranger deals have been
struck.

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 11, 2016 12:33 PM (r1fLd)

No he doesn't, Kasich may or may not be able to unbind his delegates but he cannot direct them to vote for Trump... they would be free at that point to vote for whomever they want.

Posted by: redbanzai at April 11, 2016 12:41 PM (3JA/M)

514 "He has tried to run his campaign on the cheap and it's starting to show now. To his credit, he seems to be trying to retool and address the weaknesses within his own campaign staff."

Agreed. Trump underestimated #neverTrump. He's now trying to correct.

If you turned back the clock to the beginning of March it was starting to look all kumbayaa. All three R candidates said at the last debate that they'd support whoever was the nominee. Then we had the Chicago rally BLM disruption, which everyone, Cruz included, blamed on Trump. Then the War of the Wives which I believe Romney instigated. Members of the GOPe talked openly of starting a third party bid if Trump were the nominee. And Cruz hooked up with #neverTrump.

If he's short of 1,237 Trump can now pull any trick he needs to make up the difference. All's fair, no?

If Trump loses on the first, he's probably over.

I doubt it'll be Ted winning it, however.

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 11, 2016 12:41 PM (r1fLd)

515 But if the guy's fortune came from his parents and even then he blew through a lot of it on bad deals and bankruptcies, it's no different than a Powerball winner.
Posted by: Jeepers at April 11, 2016 12:28 PM (A2FEp)

No it didn't. He got money from his dad for his first project - he didn't inherit an empire.
He was way richer than his dad by the time his dad died in 1999. His dad dies with a net worth of $250 - 300 million, which was divided among his wife and kids (he had 5 kids but one died in 1981 of alcoholism)

Posted by: Your Highly Educated and Well-Mannered Betters at April 11, 2016 12:43 PM (nbrY/)

516 "Kasich may or may not be able to unbind his delegates but he cannot direct them to vote for Trump."

Redbanzai once again says something that's false. Ohio says that if the winner foramlly drops out, all WTA delegates automatically go to whoever comes second, which would be the Donald.

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 11, 2016 12:44 PM (r1fLd)

517 not just by "dumping his money in an index fund."

This one I find annoying. The index fund is made up of the winning businesses in it. If nobody builds a business there's nothing to index. It's an ideal investment for small non-involved wealth, but somebody has to build.

Posted by: DaveA at April 11, 2016 12:45 PM (DL2i+)

518 If Trump doesn't win on the first ballot I'm thinking his lack of understanding the delegate choice process means his vote total gets smaller on the second ballot, as bound delegates get freed to vote for whomever they want. In other words, he's done if he doesn't go to Cleveland with a majority of delegates in hand.

Posted by: MTF at April 11, 2016 12:46 PM (/m8T6)

519 If nobody builds a business there's nothing to index. It's an ideal investment for small non-involved wealth, but somebody has to build.
Posted by: DaveA at April 11, 2016 12:45 PM (DL2i+)

shut up shut up SHUT UP!

Posted by: jobless recovery cheerleaders at April 11, 2016 12:48 PM (nbrY/)

520 Trump is Tojo!!!1!!!11!!!

Posted by: andycanuck at April 11, 2016 12:48 PM (3MK6t)

521 Yes please explain to me how someone can win without winning the most votes?

Posted by: Al Gore at April 11, 2016 12:51 PM (tm6wE)

522 In other words, he's done if he doesn't go to Cleveland with a majority of delegates in hand.
Posted by: MTF at April 11, 2016 12:46 PM (/m8T6)

I think you are right.

Posted by: jobless recovery cheerleaders at April 11, 2016 12:52 PM (nbrY/)

523 "Losers whine about the rules, winners go home and bang the cheerleader."

Thanks for the fortune cookie.

Note that things are actually worse on the D side. Hillary was anointed for coronation and still struggles with what should have been token opposition.

There's a collective sense that our federal government does whatever the fuck it wants, the people be damned. If the next President is hand-picked by the Uniparty it doesn't bode well.

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 11, 2016 12:52 PM (r1fLd)

524 Meh, off sock

Posted by: @votermom at April 11, 2016 12:53 PM (nbrY/)

525 Nobody's ever gotten rich quickly off an index fund.
It's a strategy for slowly growing wealth.

Managed fund managers can and do get rich though, frequently while their clients lead money.

Posted by: @votermom at April 11, 2016 12:55 PM (nbrY/)

526 "In other words, he's done if he doesn't go to Cleveland with a majority of delegates in hand."

Don't see Trump being short more than 100, and probably less. He can bribe 100, especially if Kasich alone can legally deliver 66 upfront.

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 11, 2016 12:55 PM (r1fLd)

527 Via Insty-

I posted this over the weekend:

https://joannenosuchinsky.com/2016/04/02/my-

cousin-donny/

I still think it's the best read on Trump and the current situation that I have seen so far. Plus, it's short and to the point.

Plus, it uses a great movie as an analogy, so-


All you pro- and anti- Trump people, go read it now and I think you will all agree that-

Yeah, that's about right.



And then we can all talk about boobies or Habanero hobo jerky or something...

Posted by: naturalfake at April 11, 2016 12:57 PM (0cMkb)

528 Has anyone here mentioned that the painter's name is translated as "Beer City"?

Posted by: Pete in Texas at April 11, 2016 01:01 PM (K0xM1)

529 Seeing as how the GOP has made it crystal clear ... as affirmed several times by party supporters here ... that if I'm not a loyalist myself then I should really mind my own fucking business, then why exactly should my State be funding this primary bullshit kabuki theatre anyway ?

Seems the GOP wants it both ways ... quasi-governmental access to that sweet, sweet public election cash ... and also complete autonomy when the public result isn't quite what the party had in mind.

Fuck it ... I'm backing Ace's Hillary play. Crash the GOP now. Crash the country in another four. Better than serf status under two ruling parties.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 11, 2016 01:06 PM (ipFbG)

530 OK, as early as #65. I'm busy doing my taxes.

Posted by: Pete in Texas at April 11, 2016 01:07 PM (K0xM1)

531 I propose the horde support whoever wins between Cruz and Trump. In the meantime, prepare to get screwed by the Kat$hit led GOPe.

Posted by: Cooldawg at April 11, 2016 01:08 PM (BR4lE)

532 AND CO never planned a primary anyway... they planned caucuses to choose unbound delegates but moved to conventions to choose bound delegates when the RNC informed them that their planned methodology would violate national rules.
Posted by: redbanzai at April 11, 2016 12:34 PM (3JA/M)



Heh, so not even the state GOP organizations know what the rules are.

This is doing wonders for the GOP reputation of rule abiding conservatives.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 11, 2016 01:13 PM (1D4Ef)

533 I know Bierstadt exaggerated the scenery in his paintings, but I just think they're beautiful.

Posted by: sinalco at April 11, 2016 01:17 PM (yODqO)

534 Has anyone seen a recent poll that separates upstate and NYC?

Posted by: Jean at April 11, 2016 01:23 PM (cXiMR)

535 Do you really think it was the Cruz campaign who organized this???

Or was it State Organizations, which already pretty much existed, organizing this...

Do you really think Cruz even knew the rules in Colorado? or it was a Nation wide organization that he somehow supposedly created inside of a few months?

Or, was it network of State Insiders, the party loyal... who already had infrastructure and organization in place...

Insiders who are now all #neverTrump


Posted by: Don Q... at April 11, 2016 12:20 PM (qf6WZ)

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It wasn't any super Cruz organization, just insiders doing insidery stuff.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at April 11, 2016 01:26 PM (LXJ1e)

536 Don't see Trump being short more than 100, and probably less. He can bribe 100, especially if Kasich alone can legally deliver 66 upfront.
Posted by: Ignoramus at April 11, 2016 12:55 PM (r1fLd)

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If Trump is short, Kasich will be VP.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at April 11, 2016 01:28 PM (LXJ1e)

537 I kind of hope Cruz or Ryan is the nominee so I can vote against them in November. Fuck the GOP.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at April 11, 2016 12:24 PM (0LHZx)


I do too, but for entirely different reasons. I WILL vote.

Posted by: gapoz at April 11, 2016 01:28 PM (thyJJ)

538 In Co, I heard Cruz reached out early to the Rocky Mountain Gun Owners - a group that got politically motivate after Aurora. They worked the local scene.

Is he doing that every where?

Posted by: Jean at April 11, 2016 01:32 PM (cXiMR)

539 I read here, daily, sometimes, since time immemorial. Some time in the past I commented occasionally as Taqiyyologist, or Taqiyyotomist, or some abbreviation or other...

These places are knowledge. I know Kaboom. That was an Epistle. I can't remember what my pack name was. Spent the last twenty years trying to forget the first twenty, or so.

Vox Day's, CTH, American Thinker, GoV, and this dump.

Comments that are knowledge. Sometimes even Epistles.

Yes. That good. That succinct. That sure of truth.

Markku posted this at VD's site today:

Let's imagine a fairy-tale world where the entire "international community" is a high-trust environment. Where you can assume that it will be an exceedingly rare event where someone would use trade strategically, to the other party's detriment. In such a world, such a nation would immediately invoke the wrath of all the rest, so it would be a bad play. And it wouldn't be done. In such a world, free trade would be a GREAT idea. Nations could concentrate on what they manufacture best, and trust not to get stabbed in the back if they focus their production on just those things. So, in a naive understanding, free trade is a great thing.

Just like pacifism is a great thing - IF everybody does it. But announcing to the world that even if some nation seems to behave in a suspicious way, you will not under any circumstances penalize them for it, is precisely like the pacifist strategy before Soviet Russia of unilaterally laying down arms, trusting that USSR will be so impressed by this that they will do the same.

In the real world, free trade of any kind is precisely as damaging as that strategy, for precisely the same reason. And it is birthed from solipsism, just like pacifism.

There are very few sites whose commenters regularly tell truth, for the sake of it.

God bless a bunch of morons. Y'all m'fers need Jesus.

Posted by: Wooly Phlox at April 11, 2016 02:12 PM (NCh45)

540 Look, I hate taqiyya. Or however the hell it's spelt.

Why would I make my nic for ten years some word I made up based on something I hate?

Love me some wooly phlox.

Posted by: Wooly Phlox at April 11, 2016 02:23 PM (NCh45)

541 >>>164 The difference between "tidal wave" and "tsunami":

In that big quake-caused Thailand flooding (Boxing Day several years ago now wasn't it?), first the ocean pulled 'way 'way back. Ignorant, curious people were wandering out onto the new beach, taking pix.

One tourist couple's little girl, remembering what her teacher had taught, kept telling her parents, "tsunami! it's a tsunami!" They had no idea what she was talking about.

Finally, the little girl said, "tidal wave!" And they ran for the hills and lived.

Posted by: mindful webworker - it's a wash at April 11, 2016 11:18 AM (f/e+k)

That's a lovely story.

Posted by: m at April 11, 2016 03:12 PM (S/1cF)

542
WASTF, the GOP has will manage to stir
up so many hurt feelings that even if Cruz gets the nom, enough Trump
supporters will stay home to ensure Hillary gets in. If Sanders ends up
with the DNC nom, the GOPe may regret this but they won't be able to
correct things.

Posted by: PaleRider at April 11, 2016 10:50 AM (3kUGE)

Hillary is the GOPe's third choice, not Trump and not Cruz.

Posted by: DFCtomm at April 11, 2016 04:43 PM (XISeX)

543 Test Back here.



Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 13, 2016 04:44 AM (AhiRu)

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