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Open Thread
Elemér Vass, "Light in Autumn" (1919)
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at October 02, 2015 09:04 AM (0O7c5)
Posted by: weew at October 02, 2015 09:04 AM (EaEMG)
Posted by: mojo at October 02, 2015 09:05 AM (OmBeX)
Posted by: HRC at October 02, 2015 09:06 AM (TxJGV)
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at October 02, 2015 09:06 AM (7RXcs)
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Team Lefty and Scamp at October 02, 2015 09:06 AM (JtwS4)
ICYMI,we're planning a reprise of last year's SW Ohio MoMe:
Saturday evening, October 17, 7-10 (ish), Beavercreek (I've also locked down a better venue).
Interested parties please let me know: swohmome @ mail.com (no spaces).
Thanks!
Posted by: speedster1 at October 02, 2015 09:07 AM (xfE5u)
Posted by: pep at October 02, 2015 09:08 AM (LAe3v)
So TODAY is National DIS Appreciation Day and we got an impersonal card, an email from the central office and bagels. Boy, don't I feel special!
We are trying to promote a National Kiss-Ass Day now. I'm leaning towards having it the day after Bosses Day and you give a cake to whoever got the boss a card. *Its not bullying! Its just observing Your Special Day, brown-noser!*
Posted by: Bigby's Grasp of the Obvious at October 02, 2015 09:09 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: JTB at October 02, 2015 09:10 AM (FvdPb)
Posted by: mojo at October 02, 2015 09:10 AM (OmBeX)
Posted by: Mrs. Vass at October 02, 2015 09:10 AM (iIVyq)
Posted by: Hipster Art Critic at October 02, 2015 09:11 AM (PEFlK)
Glenn Beck is making good points, but he's using the shooting, too.
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 02, 2015 09:12 AM (1BhJn)
Posted by: mojo
The Modern Man has discussed scrotal inflation with his Modern Man friends and Modern Woman almost-girlfriend.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at October 02, 2015 09:12 AM (PEFlK)
http://bit.ly/19Nehls
Posted by: MTF at October 02, 2015 09:13 AM (TxJGV)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at October 02, 2015 09:13 AM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at October 02, 2015 09:13 AM (HalrA)
Posted by: vivi at October 02, 2015 09:13 AM (11H2y)
Posted by: Serious Appreciator of the Arts at October 02, 2015 09:14 AM (PEFlK)
"The modern man doesn't cut the fatty or charred bits off his fillet. Every bite of steak is a privilege, and it all goes down the hatch.
Down the hatch, as the Men say! O what lusty lads we be! Down the hatch, ye signifier of bounty! I say, chaps, shall we quaff some grain-based spirits of a carbonated nature now, and discuss the athletic competition? Also, girls! Are they not admirable in their many ways?"
When Lileks is on, he's the best there is.
Posted by: pep at October 02, 2015 09:14 AM (LAe3v)
Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken at October 02, 2015 09:14 AM (vn2q2)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at October 02, 2015 09:15 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: mojo at October 02, 2015 09:15 AM (OmBeX)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at October 02, 2015 09:15 AM (PEFlK)
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at October 02, 2015 09:13 AM (HalrA)
You're referring to the kid wearing the Charizard costume, I presume?
Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at October 02, 2015 09:15 AM (k9qR4)
She came in late, in tears. about the danger her grandmother was in. She then mentioned that her grandmother lives in a rather nice neighborhood in Salem, but you just never know.
Salem.
How far is that from that college? Pretty far I think.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at October 02, 2015 09:15 AM (PFy0L)
Based on the appearance of the dreaded black diamond question mark in his name, I'm guessing Vass was "Questioning"
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 02, 2015 09:16 AM (VLTL9)
Posted by: joe at October 02, 2015 09:16 AM (KUaJL)
Posted by: Grump928(c)
No need to silence your sobbing. The Modern Man wails so the neighbors can hear.
Of course, the Modern Man wouldn't be so crass as to read Drudge.
Posted by: NYT at October 02, 2015 09:17 AM (PEFlK)
There are so many beautiful things in this world. Twitter is great for this stuff bc grad students are always posting photos of their studies be in ancient manuscripts or archaeological finds.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at October 02, 2015 09:17 AM (iQIUe)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 02, 2015 09:19 AM (D6asv)
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Ugh. He's brown. But, like, the wrong kind of brown.
Posted by: The Left at October 02, 2015 09:19 AM (PEFlK)
Posted by: Ajay Sidhu at October 02, 2015 09:19 AM (evdj2)
She came in late, in tears. about the danger her grandmother was in. She then mentioned that her grandmother lives in a rather nice neighborhood in Salem, but you just never know.
Smack her one 'side the head while bellowing, "Geography, beeyotch, how do it work?"
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 02, 2015 09:19 AM (VLTL9)
Plus ca change.....
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at October 02, 2015 09:19 AM (PFy0L)
Posted by: vivi at October 02, 2015 09:13 AM (11H2y)
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And not a peep from obammy. Guess he just doesnt care about black lives....
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at October 02, 2015 09:21 AM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Chi at October 02, 2015 09:21 AM (Ph3AH)
Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at October 02, 2015 09:22 AM (k9qR4)
Posted by: Corona at October 02, 2015 09:24 AM (tWUja)
24 Oh, and lemme guess: Meggie is just AGHAST at YET ANOTHER horrible mass-shooting. Because she has da feels.
Posted by: mojo at October 02, 2015 09:15 AM (OmBeX)
She's still one step ahead of the mob with the flensing knives then, I see.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 02, 2015 09:24 AM (VLTL9)
I have also postulated before that Jindal's reputation as a wonk is bad right now.
Being a genuine wonk ought to be a good thing. Policy specifics matter.
But Barack Obama was explicitly sold to the American voting public as a wonk, which he really was not at all in any way. He was a shallow and incurious and ill-informed fellow with no taste for details or math. But his subsequent failures will have soured the public on anyone smacking of wonkery for some time to come.
Blame that on the American voting public, who should have asked more sharp questions about the background of the faux wonk, and failed to do so. Now those same voters are pissed and are swearing off wonks. Hence, the rise of the Combover That Walked Like A Man.
Posted by: torquewrench at October 02, 2015 09:25 AM (noWW6)
an impersonal card, an email from the central office and bagels. Boy,
don't I feel special[...]
Posted by: Bigby's Grasp of the Obvious at October 02, 2015 09:09 AM (3ZtZW)
It is Disney stock (DIS) day? I wasn't told.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 02, 2015 09:25 AM (3pRHP)
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Policy-wise, not much in opposition. He's a dork. Not inspiring. I keep hearing he's sharp but, gotta say, it doesn't translate at all in any widespread way. Instead, he comes across as petty and weird, and frankly opportunistic. His barking mad responses to Trump has me crossing Jindal's name out with prejudice, but he was never a factor to begin with, so no big deal. His recent anti-GOP tirades are mere confirmation of his bandwagon approach to politics.
Posted by: Bigby's Grasp of the Obvious at October 02, 2015 09:25 AM (3ZtZW)
Virtual all of his policy and 'strategies' in the middle east, North Africa and in Ukraine have, on some level, resulted in mass deaths and other repercussions like mass exile, mass refugees, mass dislocation and all of the attendant horrific shit that accompanies those repercussions.
The guy is one of the best mass murderers of this century and should be not only recognized for it, but remembered for it.
Posted by: Semper In Stercus at October 02, 2015 09:25 AM (BZAd3)
Posted by: vivi at October 02, 2015 09:26 AM (11H2y)
38 Vass difference between today's & yesterday's art choice.
Posted by: Chi at October 02, 2015 09:21 AM (Ph3AH)
Or vas deferens, as it was (don't get all testy with me!)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 02, 2015 09:26 AM (VLTL9)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 02, 2015 09:26 AM (VLTL9)
Posted by: Landofskybluewater at October 02, 2015 09:27 AM (nnDuY)
Posted by: joe at October 02, 2015 09:16 AM (KUaJL)
I like Jindal but he wouldn't win his own state in the primary if the feedback I get from my friends and associates in Louisiana is accurate. Apparently they are not too keen on his Governorship.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at October 02, 2015 09:27 AM (Z9mio)
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Disease Intervention Specialist Day!!1!
YOU GUYS FORGOT!
*runs away sobbing*
Posted by: Bigby's Grasp of the Obvious at October 02, 2015 09:27 AM (3ZtZW)
world as he is about gun confiscation - I mean, gun control.
Seems to me he is...passionate about wrecking it, anyway.
Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken at October 02, 2015 09:28 AM (vn2q2)
Posted by: joe at October 02, 2015 09:16 AM (KUaJL)
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1) I sounds like he wants to increase immigration.
2) He is a career politician
3) From Louisiana
4) Seems to be anti-Trump
Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 02, 2015 09:28 AM (LXJ1e)
The easy way out for a politician, more is always better. The law in Chicago probably has lost track of the gun laws, as there are many.
Posted by: Colin at October 02, 2015 09:28 AM (Espnc)
His barking at Trump is a positive for me. Trump is still conning a whole lot of people.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at October 02, 2015 09:29 AM (Z9mio)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/nq2y8wd
Posted by: Kindltot at October 02, 2015 09:29 AM (3pRHP)
Heyjackass.com
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at October 02, 2015 09:30 AM (iQIUe)
You're 2 for 4 on accuracy.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at October 02, 2015 09:30 AM (Z9mio)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at October 02, 2015 09:13 AM (iQIUe)
Nein. Vass is Loss? Die hunde ist lose
Posted by: Kindltot at October 02, 2015 09:31 AM (3pRHP)
You're 2 for 4 on accuracy.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at October 02, 2015 09:30 AM (Z9mio)
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Be more specific.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 02, 2015 09:31 AM (LXJ1e)
Charlotte Church is a hoot. Every time she puts her foot in her mouth which is every time she speaks, she whines that she must really be getting to the tories bc they object so much (voice mild criticism).
The gal is an expert on everything.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at October 02, 2015 09:32 AM (iQIUe)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at October 02, 2015 09:33 AM (0O7c5)
That's a plus in my book.
Now, shall we discuss crossbows or the War of Southern Recalcitrance?
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Team Lefty and Scamp at October 02, 2015 09:34 AM (JtwS4)
Heather! Why dont you be the AoShq foreign correspondent? Ace will give you fake credentials, too.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at October 02, 2015 09:35 AM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at October 02, 2015 09:36 AM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Ric Flair at October 02, 2015 09:36 AM (iIVyq)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 09:36 AM (kff5f)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 09:37 AM (kff5f)
Posted by: Bigby's Grasp of the Obvious at October 02, 2015 09:37 AM (3ZtZW)
He doesn't inspire. He doesn't capture the imagination with bold concepts and leadership.
As others say, he's a wonk. I hope our new president has Jindal as an advisor. But for someone to lead the country and the world, I don't think so.
Posted by: jwest at October 02, 2015 09:37 AM (Zs4uk)
HOLY KAMIKAZE!
HOLY KAMIKAZE!
Ric Flair's Crank is buying everyone drinks!
WHOOO!
//Slick Ric
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 02, 2015 09:38 AM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: Bigby's Grasp of the Obvious at October 02, 2015 09:38 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at October 02, 2015 09:38 AM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Team Lefty and Scamp at October 02, 2015 09:38 AM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Seems Legit at October 02, 2015 09:39 AM (Xa4vS)
Posted by: Hillz! at October 02, 2015 09:40 AM (Z58Xa)
In other words, lefties are racists because low expectations.
Posted by: Chupacabra at October 02, 2015 09:40 AM (XiVKO)
I would enjoy this. Especially the fake credentials.
Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken at October 02, 2015 09:40 AM (vn2q2)
Now, I think the gun control debate is useless. People will order guns from Canada or manufacture them in their garage or whatever.
That said...I don't know about you all, but in my area, we have these Facebook Swap Sale groups where people post stuff for sale. I can't tell you how many times there have been firearms on that site. Now, I know ideally, the seller would check credentials and report the sale. And, I know ideally the buyer would be legit and register the gun. But... these are private citizens. And, my strong suspicion is it doesn't work like that.
I mean, as much as I feel gun control is a waste of time...there has to be a way to keep it from being as easy of buying a pack of gum, right?
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 09:40 AM (RhhYt)
Posted by: Seems Legit at October 02, 2015 09:40 AM (Xa4vS)
As far as I know I have no policy problems with Jindal. My problems are that I don't think he is suited - personality wise - to dealing with the whores in Congress the way that is needful.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 09:40 AM (kff5f)
That's a plus in my book.
Now, shall we discuss crossbows or the War of Southern Recalcitrance?
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Team Lefty and Scamp at October 02, 2015 09:34 AM (JtwS4)
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I think it's a policy thing for Jindal. Jindal wants a wide gate for immigration. I don't think he's a populist and will not have cross-ideological appeal that I think is needed for the massive political flux we are in today.
I actually like Jindal, unfortunately he got in the race way too late, a huge strategic error considering the amount of time he had to plan for it.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 02, 2015 09:40 AM (LXJ1e)
Maybe he's good at the long sell, but I haven't seen any evidence of that.
Posted by: Chupacabra at October 02, 2015 09:41 AM (XiVKO)
He doesn't inspire. He doesn't capture the imagination with bold concepts and leadership.
As others say, he's a wonk. I hope our new president has Jindal as an advisor. But for someone to lead the country and the world, I don't think so.
Posted by: jwest at October 02, 2015 09:37 AM (Zs4uk)
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That's right. He'd make a great HHS secretary for President Trump.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 02, 2015 09:42 AM (LXJ1e)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 02, 2015 09:42 AM (KW1mm)
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 09:40 AM (RhhYt)
Not really. You can get used guns from friends (or friends of friends) and family members easily. At least, around here you can. How is facebook swapping any different except I'm surprised it's not excluded...
Posted by: Lea at October 02, 2015 09:42 AM (lIU4e)
Why?
That's a public forum. If someone who is not legally supposed to have a gun buys one there, it can be tracked. In fact, I think that's *too much* government involved in a private transfer of property on a mutually agreed basis.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 09:43 AM (kff5f)
I go years at a time without matching even a single number so I worship your skill.
Posted by: t-bird at October 02, 2015 09:44 AM (Z58Xa)
The laws for sales of guns between individuals are different.
Posted by: blaster at October 02, 2015 09:44 AM (2Ocf1)
You could have just saved a lot of our time and started chanting "Gun show loophole."
Posted by: buzzion at October 02, 2015 09:44 AM (zt+N6)
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at October 02, 2015 09:15 AM (PFy0L)
Salem is about 120 miles away. Your co-worker is a histronic idiot. Ask her if she wouldn't feel better if she took some personal time to feel better. I bet your productivity will go up.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 02, 2015 09:45 AM (3pRHP)
Why should it be harder?
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 02, 2015 09:45 AM (88fBD)
More gun deaths have been committed in cities controlled by ACLU-affiliated Democrats than in areas controlled by NRA-affiliated Republicans.
The NRA support the Second Amendment.
The ACLU supports the release of mentally ill people into our communities, the prohibition of stop-and-frisk policing in gang controlled urban neighborhoods and wrongly sees gun ownership as a collective (militia/police) right rather than an individual right.
Hey, President Tinkerbell, these gun murders are on your hands and those of the ACLU.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at October 02, 2015 09:45 AM (YqcVw)
Posted by: Garrett at October 02, 2015 09:45 AM (N448I)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at October 02, 2015 09:45 AM (hsCpX)
Also, to this. Where you are you thinking you would 'register' a gun? Not all states require this.
Posted by: Lea at October 02, 2015 09:46 AM (lIU4e)
Posted by: Grimaldi at October 02, 2015 09:47 AM (xgztj)
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 02, 2015 09:47 AM (1Zmfg)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at October 02, 2015 09:47 AM (zyIlW)
Posted by: naturalfake at October 02, 2015 09:47 AM (KUa85)
Posted by: Citizen Cake at October 02, 2015 09:48 AM (ppaKI)
Shall the questions get more probing, and would that concern lead to anger and finger pointing?
Join us again after these messages.....
Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 02, 2015 09:48 AM (kKHcp)
That's easy.
We know that it has to be someone who isn't a professional politician. We're on the right side of this and it looks like an outsider will pick up tons of independents and some democrats too.
We know that the most "likeable" candidate wins. This works great if Hillary is the opposition, less if someone else beats her.
We know that normally the taller candidate wins. The public couldn't tell the difference between Obama and Romney.
We know we need someone who can talk. The most important thing a president does is communicate, in words and tone that the average American understands, a conservative point of view.
We know that different presidential elections require different candidates. The right guy for 2004 might not be the right guy for 2016. The mood of the country changes. What some thought were important traits a few years ago are detriments now.
So who is the perfect candidate for 2016?
Mike Rowe.
Posted by: jwest at October 02, 2015 09:48 AM (Zs4uk)
Posted by: hepcat at October 02, 2015 09:49 AM (qBNIL)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 02, 2015 09:49 AM (KW1mm)
I know when to go out
And when to stay in
Get things done
I catch a paper boy
But things don't really change
I'm standing in the wind
But I never wave bye-bye
But I try
I try
There's no sign of life
It's just the power to charm
I'm lying in the rain
But I never wave bye-bye
But I try
I try
Never gonna fall for
Modern Man walks beside me
Modern Man walks on by
Modern Man gets me to the Church on Time
Church on Time terrifies me
Church on Time makes me party
Church on Time puts my trust in God and Man
Modern Man no confessions
Modern Man Man no religion
Modern Man don't believe
in Modern Love
Posted by: Lincolntf at October 02, 2015 09:49 AM (2cS/G)
Because, what if someone with a screw loose is the buyer? By the time they are reported or tracked, it could be too late, no?
I think people should absolutely have the right to buy guns. And, I whole-heartedly believe in the 2nd amendment. And, as said in my original post, I know that the fairyland utopia where guns are outlawed will never, ever, EVER happen. Nor should it.
I just think it should be a little bit harder for people to buy their guns.
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 09:49 AM (RhhYt)
Posted by: Chupacabra at October 02, 2015 09:49 AM (XiVKO)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 02, 2015 09:50 AM (fWAjv)
Mike Rowe.
Posted by: jwest at October 02, 2015 09:48 AM (Zs4uk)
I might actually be able to vote for Mike Rowe. I know he's an unapologetic capitalist and a fan of industry and the free market. I'm not sure where he stands on social issues - and those are becoming very important.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 09:50 AM (kff5f)
Posted by: Brock Samson's Fabulous Hair at October 02, 2015 09:50 AM (iIVyq)
Posted by: Chupacabra at October 02, 2015 09:50 AM (XiVKO)
Posted by: Chupacabra at October 02, 2015 09:49 AM (XiVKO)
No, but they're not very bright either.
Posted by: buzzion at October 02, 2015 09:51 AM (zt+N6)
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 09:49 AM (RhhYt)
Ok, what would you propose?
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 02, 2015 09:51 AM (fWAjv)
She came in late, in tears. about the danger her grandmother was in. She then mentioned that her grandmother lives in a rather nice neighborhood in Salem, but you just never know.
Salem.
How far is that from that college? Pretty far I think.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at October 02, 2015 09:15 AM (PFy0L)
Did you delicately and sensitively inform her that granny is a hell of a lot more likely to die in a car crash or from a heart attack or probably by meteor strike than a mass shooting?
Posted by: Insomniac at October 02, 2015 09:51 AM (kpqmD)
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 09:51 AM (RhhYt)
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Policy-wise, not much in opposition. He's a dork. Not inspiring. I keep hearing he's sharp but, gotta say, it doesn't translate at all in any widespread way. Instead, he comes across as petty and weird, and frankly opportunistic. His barking mad responses to Trump has me crossing Jindal's name out with prejudice, but he was never a factor to begin with, so no big deal. His recent anti-GOP tirades are mere confirmation of his bandwagon approach to politics.
Posted by: Bigby's Grasp of the Obvious at October 02, 2015 09:25 AM (3ZtZW)
Yup...Jindal is cut from the same cloth as Romney, McCain, Dole, Kemp, Ford and Wellkie.
Blathers on about policy but has no charisma, no balls and has about as much curb appeal as a dog turd left out in the sun too long. Would fold like me at the first cries of "rayciss" or "but the chilluns" or "safe place to pee". We need a fighter, a strong type A like Jim Rockford not Mr. Rogers. Does this help?
Posted by: Zombie Wet Taco at October 02, 2015 09:52 AM (D0NZx)
Posted by: Garrett at October 02, 2015 09:52 AM (N448I)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at October 02, 2015 09:52 AM (hsCpX)
I think people should absolutely have the right to buy guns. And, I whole-heartedly believe in the 2nd amendment. And, as said in my original post, I know that the fairyland utopia where guns are outlawed will never, ever, EVER happen. Nor should it.
I just think it should be a little bit harder for people to buy their guns.
BUT GUN SHOW LOOPHOLE!!!!!!
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 09:49 AM (RhhYt)
FTFY
Posted by: buzzion at October 02, 2015 09:52 AM (zt+N6)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 02, 2015 09:52 AM (KW1mm)
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 09:49
I'm like totally into guns n stuff, like yay 2a. (but i've never actually purchased a gun)
Posted by: traye at October 02, 2015 09:52 AM (R0rDw)
Posted by: Roy D. at October 02, 2015 09:52 AM (brIR5)
Posted by: Citizen Cake at October 02, 2015 09:53 AM (ppaKI)
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 02, 2015 09:53 AM (1Zmfg)
This place is oozing so much concern.
Time to venture outside in the wind and rain to run some errands.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 02, 2015 09:53 AM (VLTL9)
Yes, what your "tattoo parlor" is doing is illegal. But you wouldn't know that, because you don't know the law.
Posted by: Chupacabra at October 02, 2015 09:54 AM (XiVKO)
Posted by: Chupacabra at October 02, 2015 09:50 AM (XiVKO)
Liquor wore off, caffeine kicked in. I'll be sentient for a little while.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 02, 2015 09:54 AM (kKHcp)
YOU GUYS FORGOT!
*runs away sobbing*
Posted by: Bigby's Grasp of the Obvious at October 02, 2015 09:27 AM (3ZtZW)
Well, Bigby, thanks to you and all your blue-gloved cohorts, wielding those questionnaires and pamphlets and intervening with the spatulas and whatever it is you use to take puss samples.
I remember the old-school advice: Always smoke a nasty cigar and wave and gesture with it using a lot of jabs, it keeps the guys at the pro-shop from pushing their junk too close you your face. Times have changed, I am sure.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 02, 2015 09:54 AM (3pRHP)
Posted by: rickl at October 02, 2015 09:54 AM (zoehZ)
Posted by: Bruce at October 02, 2015 09:54 AM (8ikIW)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 09:50 AM (kff5f)
Mike Rowe - on the issues.
http://tinyurl.com/qg4wk34
Q- MaryAnn or Ginger?
A- Is Mrs. Howell is no longer an option?
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 02, 2015 09:54 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: naturalfake at October 02, 2015 09:55 AM (KUa85)
Big fucking surprise that those that are in this country illegally would be buying guns illegally.
But hey, let's make law-abiding folks jump through even more hoops.
Posted by: SMFH at it all at October 02, 2015 09:55 AM (zyIlW)
I guess it bothers me that my neighbors, who guess what, aren't legally
in this country, can walk down to the local tattoo parlor and buy a gun
for $10.
Somehow I don't think this criminal act (already covered by existing laws) is going to be prevented by taking away the Constitutional rights of law-abiding citizens.
Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken at October 02, 2015 09:55 AM (vn2q2)
118 Blathers on about policy but has no charisma, no balls and has about as much curb appeal as a dog turd left out in the sun too long.
Asked and answered in #107
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 02, 2015 09:55 AM (VLTL9)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 02, 2015 09:55 AM (W5DcG)
Why?
So what if the person who buys the gun is crazy and going to kill people?
1- They were going to get a weapon anyway. Look at England which has effectively outlawed guns, and their violent crime rate. It's as bad as (or worse than) ours. A dude with a knife can kill or maim you with almost as much ease as a man with a gun.
2- Since the bad man is going to get a weapon anyway, why should it be harder for *me* (not a bad man) to get a gun? Indeed, should it not be *easier* for me to get a gun to protect myself? When seconds count, the cops are minutes away.
I think you're basing your opinion on the false narrative - that somehow "gun crime" is worse than other violent crime - pushed on us by the MFM (delenda est).
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 09:56 AM (kff5f)
Morning, Glories, from a suburb of Chicago.
Now to see if Vic did his thing...
Posted by: mindful webworker - half awake at October 02, 2015 09:56 AM (PF3Gg)
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 09:51 AM (RhhYt)
Again, what do you propose?
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 02, 2015 09:56 AM (fWAjv)
It comes out as In the Navy by the Village People.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 02, 2015 09:55 AM (LUgeY)
In the Navy is not gay enough for the Modern Man.
Posted by: buzzion at October 02, 2015 09:56 AM (zt+N6)
Maybe the way to go is a trade. For every gun turned in, deport an illegal permanently.
Posted by: vivi at October 02, 2015 09:56 AM (11H2y)
I am an NRA member and a strong 2A supporter and I have guns that I have purchased from gun stores and gun shows...and one I bought off of Armslist where I literally met a guy in a parking lot.
And I have to say - I felt a little weird about that one.
Yeah, yeah, inanimate object same as doing the same thing with an iphone on craigslist.
But it did not feel that way.
And I am a long time moron so don't even start.
Posted by: blaster at October 02, 2015 09:57 AM (2Ocf1)
Or both?
Posted by: BurtTC at October 02, 2015 09:58 AM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: se pa moron at October 02, 2015 09:58 AM (sI4OA)
Maybe the way to go is a trade. For every gun turned in, deport an illegal permanently.
Posted by: vivi at October 02, 2015 09:56 AM (11H2y)
Mr. Trump, is that you?
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 02, 2015 09:58 AM (VLTL9)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 02, 2015 09:58 AM (KW1mm)
What you mean is, it should be harder for people to buy their guns legally.
Your laws and regulations would have no effect on the criminal market in firearms.
Posted by: V the K at October 02, 2015 09:58 AM (O7MnT)
Listen, I have no suggestions or solutions. That is for people much smarter than me.
I just think private transactions are a bad idea that can never be policed properly.
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 09:58 AM (RhhYt)
Sounds like the thing you should be worried about is the fact that we have people who are already breaking the law will do more bad things. Perhaps we should focus on prosecuting the crimes that we know people are committing already and see what happens.
Posted by: joe at October 02, 2015 09:59 AM (KUaJL)
Don't hide behind just asking questions, give us your opinion as to what should be done, by whom, and to whom.
No more cowardice, step up.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 02, 2015 09:59 AM (kKHcp)
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 09:51
If someone is buying a gun for $10, it doesn't work and they are only buying it to hold until a police gun buy back and get $100 for it so they can get a real gun.
Not that I have stalked gunbroker for crappy parts gun lots in order to do exactly that.
Posted by: traye at October 02, 2015 09:59 AM (R0rDw)
says we need a "high wall and wide gate". Don't think he actually means a wall wall but enforcement of existing laws. Says we need to bring in lots of skilled immigrants who are willing to assimilate. Also said we should accept refugees.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 02, 2015 10:00 AM (LXJ1e)
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at October 02, 2015 10:00 AM (PFy0L)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at October 02, 2015 10:00 AM (hsCpX)
Posted by: Chupacabra at October 02, 2015 10:00 AM (XiVKO)
You do know that's already illegal, right? I mean - they're here illegally in the first place, why do you think they'd respect any law?
Any *commercial* seller of firearms must themselves be background checked (to get their FFL) and then there are a whole bunch of regulations about their premise and how they store weapons, and yada yada. They are then required to background check anyone who wishes to buy a firearm from them.
It is only local (ish) private transfers of firearms which do not require a background check, and even then knowingly giving/selling a firearm to someone who is not legally allowed to own one is, itself, a crime.
It's already plenty hard to buy a firearm for the law abiding. Adding MOAR LAWS is not going to help anything.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 10:01 AM (kff5f)
Heh. So this chain of law-breaking is going to be broken by passing more laws, eh? So these already breaking immigration laws and existing gun laws are going to suddenly change their ways with another layer of regulations, eh?
Posted by: Citizen Cake at October 02, 2015 10:01 AM (ppaKI)
friends of friends) and family members easily. At least, around here you
can. How is facebook swapping any different except I'm surprised it's
not excluded...
Posted by: Lea at October 02, 2015 09:42 AM (lIU4e)
By law that is felony in Oregon, now. In fact, loaning someone a firearm is now a felony without a state police background check. And the loaner is held responsible for the actions of the person who borrows the firearm as well.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 02, 2015 10:01 AM (3pRHP)
Yeah those always work out real well.
Posted by: buzzion at October 02, 2015 10:01 AM (zt+N6)
Oh, the naked tyranny evident in that single sentence.
Listen to yourself.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at October 02, 2015 10:01 AM (PFy0L)
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 09:58 AM
please admit to being a troll and that you are not that really stupid of a person
Posted by: traye at October 02, 2015 10:01 AM (R0rDw)
mass shootings tally is the White House message to the press
they count "mass shootings" as any with more than 3 deaths
are they counting gang violence in those numbers? That would be the vast vast number of those shootings
any weekend in Chicago for instance
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 10:02 AM (zOTsN)
That would solve a lot of problems.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 02, 2015 10:02 AM (bZ7mE)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 02, 2015 10:02 AM (KW1mm)
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 09:49 AM (RhhYt)
All guns laws are bullshit. There is no such thing as 'common sense' gun laws, unless you like tyranny.
The 2nd Amendment is the US citizens' right to concealed carry. Enough said.
Posted by: RickZ at October 02, 2015 10:02 AM (dcIVz)
Let me tell you all a story about a man named Jeb...
Posted by: Petunia Cornetpoppa at October 02, 2015 10:02 AM (O7MnT)
_______________________
New York City Council Member James Oddo.
The guy who kicked the Norwegian interviewer out of his office in 2007.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at October 02, 2015 10:02 AM (YqcVw)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 09:56 AM (kff5f)
Another thing about violent crime in England is that because the Pols have instituted gun control and have even made possessing certain common kitchen utensils a crime, criminals have started using such quaint medieval implements like hatchets to commit their violent crimes.
Posted by: Semper In Stercus at October 02, 2015 10:03 AM (BZAd3)
How passing more firearms regulations will help prevent deaths from firearms.
1. Print out all firearms regulations in effect for your area.
2. Stuff said printouts inside your clothing, paying particular attention to vital areas like the torso and under your tinfoil hat
3. Hey, presto! Ersatz body armor!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 02, 2015 10:04 AM (VLTL9)
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 10:04 AM (zOTsN)
I've been carrying a Harnds Viper lately. It's a cheap Chinese knife--$16 delivered--that's big and of excellent quality.
An Ontario Rat I is in my Amazon cart. I recently gave one as a gift--it's a fantastic knife for $25.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at October 02, 2015 10:04 AM (u5gzz)
Seriously? $10 guns? How far do they squirt?
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Team Lefty and Scamp at October 02, 2015 10:04 AM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Hugh Hewitt Wants to Know at October 02, 2015 10:05 AM (x2rNW)
Posted by: Citizen Cake at October 02, 2015 10:05 AM (ppaKI)
The MO for conservative Republicans. Right.
This guy loved the Black guy in VA that killed his co workers.
That guy was ghey. This guy????
Posted by: Nip Sip at October 02, 2015 10:06 AM (jJRIy)
Posted by: Chupacabra at October 02, 2015 10:06 AM (XiVKO)
Posted by: Saturday Night Specials!!!1! at October 02, 2015 10:06 AM (iIVyq)
says we need a "high wall and wide gate". Don't think he actually means a wall wall but enforcement of existing laws. Says we need to bring in lots of skilled immigrants who are willing to assimilate. Also said we should accept refugees.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 02, 2015 10:00 AM (LXJ1e)
Why not just answer that we will secure our border (Oh My!) and enforce our existing immigration laws for both illegal aliens and those who employ them(Oh Heavens!).....not hard.
Posted by: Zombie Oliver Wendall Holmes at October 02, 2015 10:07 AM (D0NZx)
I know a guy (not me, cuz I haz no guns) who went to a parking lot to meet a guy, and the two cars basically circled for a while, checking each other out. Remember, the seller doesn't know the buyer either.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 02, 2015 10:07 AM (kKHcp)
Posted by: bjk at October 02, 2015 10:07 AM (x2rNW)
Please. If you're going to use the guy's name, please use the prefix:
"The insufferable twit, Charles CW Cooke"
It's like back in the early '80s, you couldn't say "Chrysler" without first saying "gas guzzling".
Posted by: jwest at October 02, 2015 10:07 AM (Zs4uk)
. . . why is his plan for reducing violence committed by illegal immigrant to INCREASE the number of illegal immigrants in our country?
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at October 02, 2015 10:08 AM (YqcVw)
I just have no faith in people. I don't have faith in private citizens. I don't have faith in the government. I don't have faith in the police. (in the sense that in certain situations, they look the other way. Otherwise, I love the police)
So...since I have no faith that a gun seller would make sure to only sell to sane people. And, since I have no faith that law enforcement would follow up on any private transactions.
But, I don't know how to enforce anything, so....there we go.
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 10:08 AM (RhhYt)
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 10:09 AM (zOTsN)
Absolutely! People should not have property rights, the Government should have all rights of transference and disposal of property! You should have to pay a tithe of your grain to use the gristmill!
Really. Think about your statement, and back away from your position slowly.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 10:09 AM (kff5f)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 02, 2015 10:09 AM (VLTL9)
Who among us is brave (read : stupid) enough to pull the trigger on a 10Dollar gun?
Posted by: Garrett at October 02, 2015 10:09 AM (N448I)
Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 02, 2015 10:07 AM (kKHcp)
Around here I'm hearing that local LEO are setting aside areas in their parking lots for these type transactions.
Posted by: Country Singer at October 02, 2015 10:09 AM (nL0sw)
First question...
have you ever bought a gun?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 10:09 AM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 02, 2015 10:10 AM (bZ7mE)
http://tinyurl.com/pgze63n
Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at October 02, 2015 10:10 AM (dQJCS)
I just have no faith in people. I don't have faith in private citizens. I don't have faith in the government. I don't have faith in the police. (in the sense that in certain situations, they look the other way. Otherwise, I love the police)
So...since I have no faith that a gun seller would make sure to only sell to sane people. And, since I have no faith that law enforcement would follow up on any private transactions.
But, I don't know how to enforce anything, so....there we go.
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 10:08 AM (RhhYt)
Compare with:
569 @546
Well, there's the thing.
You assume people are liars and fakes.
And I tend to assume people are truly good at heart and give them the benefit of the doubt.
I just don't want to be jaded and cynical, so when given the choice (for example at my job) I usually err on the side of believing people.
Posted by: TickledPink at January 18, 2015 09:31 PM (RLev
Posted by: buzzion at October 02, 2015 10:10 AM (zt+N6)
Cold Steel Recon 1.
Doesn't feel like I'm carrying it it is so thin.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 02, 2015 10:10 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: vivi at October 02, 2015 10:11 AM (11H2y)
Posted by: Pickled Dink at October 02, 2015 10:11 AM (O7MnT)
the two cars basically circled for a while, checking each other out.
Car ThunderDome! Two cars enter, one car leaves!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 02, 2015 10:11 AM (VLTL9)
Posted by: joe at October 02, 2015 10:11 AM (KUaJL)
Posted by: Kindltot at October 02, 2015 09:45 AM (3pRHP)
About the same distance as Tulsa is from OKC. When the Murrah Building was bombed, I can't recall anyone having the vapors about Tulsa being next on the list. Violence can find you anywhere and in most cases, if you are defenseless and act like a victim, you are going to be a victim. Yesterday, an Army veteran refused to be a victim, on that train in France, those Americans refused to be victims, on Flight 93, those folks refused to be victims--yes, they died, but, that plane did not fly into a building and they died heroes, not victims. During last summer's muslim rage slaying at that business in OKC, an armed employee stopped the nut. The nightly news and the gun control advocates are all about people being defenseless. There should be a drumbeat on the nightly news about how not to be a victim as you go about your daily life.
If I was a college student, I would not attend class without a gun carefully hidden on my person.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 02, 2015 10:11 AM (kXoT0)
So you want to make it harder for those in whom some amount of faith would be justified to own weapons with which they could protect themselves or even you?
I have no faith in people, so I want weapons as readily available as possible. Because that means I'll at least have the chance to defend myself when someone - not worthy of faith - gets his hands on a gun and starts killing people.
The bad guys will get guns. Gun laws only make things harder on those who abide by the law - and they weren't a danger in the first place.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 10:12 AM (kff5f)
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at October 02, 2015 10:12 AM (u5gzz)
Not sure how changing a law would change anything there.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 10:12 AM (AkOaV)
However, we don't live in Fantasyland, so the solution is not magical thinking.
You can't stop two people from selling something face-to-face. Considering how long governments have been trying to wipe out the black market, I think history agrees with me.
So, if you want more laws or anything else, good luck, and I'll see you at the Constitutional Convention.
Posted by: Chupacabra at October 02, 2015 10:12 AM (XiVKO)
Wrong.
The police are there to draw a chalk outline of the body on the floor, collect evidence, take statements from witnesses and try to bring the murderer to justice. The only person who is going to protect you from harm is you.
Posted by: jwest at October 02, 2015 10:12 AM (Zs4uk)
Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 02, 2015 10:12 AM (LXJ1e)
Do not order anything from the Cold Steel website.
Cold Steel site - $169.99
Amazon - $71.72
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 02, 2015 10:12 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: buzzion at October 02, 2015 10:10 AM (zt+N6)
Pretty sharp eye ya got there... for a dead man!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 02, 2015 10:13 AM (VLTL9)
Posted by: Semper In Stercus at October 02, 2015 10:03 AM (BZAd3)
Thanks, now I've got this stuck in my head:
https://youtu.be/pOW5hcbnxzk
Posted by: Country Singer at October 02, 2015 10:13 AM (nL0sw)
what, aren't legally in this country, can walk down to the local tattoo
parlor and buy a gun for $10.
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 09:51 AM (RhhYt)
Nope.
1) you are clearly racist or think we are
II) last time I saw a pistol for sale anywhere for $10 was in the 70's in a pawn shop for a pitted up .32 revolver with broken rubber grips. Ain't no-one selling a pistol for $10.00, Buttercup - even a hot one.
2.a) you have clearly not looked into the possibilities of hammers freely available at hardware stores
D.) Come back and tell me about concern when you have stood in the middle of a rhubarb field being harvested and suddenly realizing that you are surrounded by 20 migrant field workers who are all working with 10" butcher knives. That is when you find out if you trust humanity or are really a secret racist with all the fears.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 02, 2015 10:13 AM (3pRHP)
Nip Conservative Treehouse is pretty convinced someone was editing that
"dating profile" which said the shooter was a conservative republican
AFTER his death
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 10:09 AM (zOTsN)\\Call me shocked that liberals lie.'
http://tinyurl.com/a6h3lmc
Posted by: Nip Sip at October 02, 2015 10:13 AM (jJRIy)
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 09:49 AM (RhhYt)
And what do you do after you make it a little harder and it happens again? And the time after that?
Posted by: Arson Wells at October 02, 2015 10:14 AM (UnJ7w)
No. But, clearly I could have by just posting on Facebook, "Hey I want to buy that gun." "Okay come on down to the tattoo shop." Gee, that was hard.
No one in my family owns a gun. We've never had a desire to. I have fired guns...at camp before, lol. Let me tell you, if someone is standing 10 feet away with a target on their chest, and I am standing perfectly still....I could be a good shot. Lol, kidding.
Anyway, it bothers me that somehow my family and I are seen as part of the problem. "Well, if you want to protect yourself, you should have a gun. If you don't want a gun, you only have yourself to blame."
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 10:14 AM (RhhYt)
I just have no faith in people. I don't have faith in private citizens. I don't have faith in the government. I don't have faith in the police. (in the sense that in certain situations, they look the other way. Otherwise, I love the police)
So...since I have no faith that a gun seller would make sure to only sell to sane people. And, since I have no faith that law enforcement would follow up on any private transactions.
But, I don't know how to enforce anything, so....there we go.
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 10:08 AM (RhhYt)
You're frustrated, obviously.
The problem is, often this type of frustration is the very thing exploited by leftists to enact their version of utopia.
People on this site are reacting strongly to your comments because they too are frustrated, both by situations that have no easy solutions, and the left going after their same "easy" solutions, which are congruent with your comments.
Still, that stuff Ace says about hating the discourse around here?
Yeah, those of you who decided it was ok for you to attack Tickled Pink in this situation... he's talking about YOU.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 02, 2015 10:14 AM (Dj0WE)
Say what you may about ''curious'' but she had a rock solid papal barber connection.
Posted by: se pa moron at October 02, 2015 10:14 AM (sI4OA)
This one has Fairbairn himself, I think: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkVtqrtD-W4
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 02, 2015 10:15 AM (bZ7mE)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 02, 2015 10:08 AM (LUgeY)
Absotively given the alarming number of atrociously ugly tattoos covering the dermis of large numbers of really unattractive folks. I mean, really, you weigh 350+ pounds, have an armpit hair beard, five teeth, and you think neon ink all over your hairy saggy skin is a good choice?
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 02, 2015 10:15 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Nip Sip at October 02, 2015 10:17 AM (jJRIy)
Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 02, 2015 10:17 AM (LXJ1e)
the media is deliberately misleading on the numbers
its bad form and politically incorrect to point out that most "mass shootings" - shootings with three or more deaths - are gang related violence
they cannot say we need gun control to stop gangs in the inner city, because that would be politically incorrect, and racist!
they are only comfortable using the relatively rare spree killers. These are spree killers. There have always been spree killers. Usually its very very difficult to predict who is a spree killer before they act
by the way, spree killers in China use knives. This guy, IMHO, sounds like a spree killer who wanted to be famous, and although he asked about the victims religion, I think he did that to increase his notoriety
thats why he left some alive. He needed live witnesses to speak to his outrage.
Spree killers do not make up the majority of gun crime and gun violence
not even in mass killings
not even close
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 10:17 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA
That's what she said!
Posted by: Michael Scott--Dunder Miflin at October 02, 2015 10:18 AM (VAsIq)
Agree that the Recon I is a very nice knife. I'm income-handicapped, though. I consider something around $30 as my limit for folding knives.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at October 02, 2015 10:18 AM (u5gzz)
And here's an interesting hypothetical: what if you replaced Christians with Muslims/gays/blacks/anything but Christian? Yeah. I know.
Posted by: PBJ5959 at October 02, 2015 10:18 AM (r1du+)
Where do you live?
I'd be thrilled to buy guns for 10 bucks if it is so easy.
Why isn't your local LE or BATFE types interdicting this flouting of US law?
Oh right b/c "victim class."
I ordered a 1000 rounds of M855 5.56 yesterday to celebrate "talking jackass day."
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 02, 2015 10:18 AM (g8Hfr)
You're not part of the problem any more than the other sheep are. The more sheep there are, the harder the sheepdogs have to work.
The police are not there to protect you. They have no duty to stop any crime - even if it is occurring right in front of them. If someone were robbing you and then murdered you in front of a cop, a cop would only be derelict in his duty if he didn't attempt to arrest them after the crime was committed.
Therefore the only person you can ever count on to protect you is... you. You can accept that and the responsibility that goes with it, or you can not. Up to you, and I won't lose sweat over it.
You're not part of the problem because you don't want to own a gun. You're only part of the problem because you want it to be harder for me to do so.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 10:19 AM (kff5f)
Try that. Post on facebook "I want a gun, will anyone sell me a gun." and let us know how it goes.
I mean, look -- I know the media makes it sound like buying a gun is the same as buying a pack of gum, but it really already is a pain the ass, and is a HUGE pain in the ass in certain states, and only moderately a pain in the ass in others.
Almost all transactions go through an FFL and a background check. For liability reasons alone, most private gun sellers will ask to do the transaction through an FFL or to see your carry permit. There is no such thing as a "gun show loophole" -- all sellers are FFLs and all FFLs need to do background checks. Yes, you might find a shady guy in the parking lot who got some guns that "fell off a truck" but 9 times out of 10, that guy is an undercover ATF agent.
But even if he's legit, he's already committing several felonies as is. I don't know how adding one more felony changes anything.
It's really nowhere as easy to buy a gun as you think.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 10:19 AM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at October 02, 2015 10:19 AM (VAsIq)
Posted by: Garrett at October 02, 2015 10:19 AM (IA54v)
You're not part of the problem because you don't want to own a gun. You're only part of the problem because you want it to be harder for me to do so.
AllenG nailed it.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 02, 2015 10:20 AM (VLTL9)
The fact that you don't own a gun isn't what makes you part of the problem. The fact that you want to prevent others from making the decision differently than you did is what makes you part of the problem.
Posted by: joe at October 02, 2015 10:20 AM (KUaJL)
Show what happens when people rush a shooter from different distances and from different positions to show what the dynamics are in these situations. Make it clear that there is a good chance would-be victims can overcome a shooter when it becomes clear they are in a life of death scenario.
Or just whine about gun control.
Either way.
Posted by: jwest at October 02, 2015 10:21 AM (Zs4uk)
Thanks Burt...
lord knows what is missing here are self-appointed net cops.
Plenty of us don't need to "attack" Tickled Pinko directly to show the folly of their "just asking for solutions" pap...
I'm one of them.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 02, 2015 10:21 AM (g8Hfr)
Shouldn't Buzzion be posting under "Zombie Buzzion"?
Only if he knows he's dead, per The Sixth Sense precedent.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 02, 2015 10:21 AM (VLTL9)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars
Like a doll's eyes.
Posted by: Quint at October 02, 2015 10:21 AM (W5DcG)
And it's not so much that you're part of the problem, it's more that you're NOT part of the solution if that makes sense.
So if god forbid you ever find yourself in a situation where there is a mass shooter or someone is breaking in to your house or anything horrific like that -- you will not be able to do anything to help yourself or those around you.
If you're okay with that -- that's fine. I understand people have varying level of comfort around machinery and tools.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 10:21 AM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 02, 2015 10:02 AM (bZ7mE)
I have become a fan of universal concealed carry and I do mean universal. It might be messy for a bit, but Darwin has a way of correcting things in the long run!
Posted by: Hrothgar at October 02, 2015 10:21 AM (ftVQq)
It's that it's so hard for the right ones to have them.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at October 02, 2015 10:21 AM (9krrF)
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at October 02, 2015 10:18 AM (u5gzz)
I forget what I paid for it. But it definitely wasn't the 70 that Amazon is asking for it now. More like 40 buck range.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 02, 2015 10:22 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 02, 2015 10:22 AM (fWAjv)
You know I don't like what the media says, I don't understand how me and my family are the problem if I just want to make it harder for the media to lie....
you don't get to abrogate other folks' liberty just because you don't drink from the well of that liberty.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 02, 2015 10:23 AM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: Low Information Voter at October 02, 2015 10:23 AM (sI4OA)
Posted by: joe at October 02, 2015 10:23 AM (KUaJL)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at October 02, 2015 10:23 AM (9krrF)
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 10:23 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 10:19 AM (AkOaV)
And for the Bill O'Reilly's out there,
NO, you cannot purchase a functioning "bazooka" at a gun show without a background check. Hell, I've never even seen a functioning rocket launcher/RPG at a gun show, and even if I had, good luck getting ammo for it.
Seriously, the idiocy surrounding all of this absolutely astounds me.
Posted by: Country Singer at October 02, 2015 10:23 AM (nL0sw)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 02, 2015 10:23 AM (NeFrd)
Posted by: Michael Scott--Dunder Miflin at October 02, 2015 10:23 AM (VAsIq)
Posted by: Michael Scott--Dunder Miflin at October 02, 2015 10:25 AM (VAsIq)
It's hilarious because Tickled Pink must have great issues with the courts essentially arguing and this was a LIBERAL court "illegals have gun rights too evidently."
Self-defense and the people owning the means to engage in collective defense are the primary safeguard of all liberty.
If you lack the ability to protect your life all other rights are at the whim of the armed sanctioned state actor.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 02, 2015 10:25 AM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: BurtTC at October 02, 2015 10:14 AM (Dj0WE)
"Attack is a stretch, don't you think? I haven't seen much in the line of personal, other than the opinion that Tickled is acting exactly like a concern troll would act, and being called on it.
If you think that's a bridge too far, that's on you only. I see nothing untoward yet.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 02, 2015 10:25 AM (kKHcp)
Posted by: Arson Wells at October 02, 2015 10:25 AM (UnJ7w)
Honestly I should just stop trying.
I'll take "What Was Missing from the 'Modern Man' List" for $400, Alex.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 02, 2015 10:26 AM (VLTL9)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 02, 2015 10:26 AM (kXoT0)
*slowly unzips pants*
Posted by: Shady Guy in the Alley at October 02, 2015 10:26 AM (VAsIq)
challanging ones beliefs is not an attack, its discourse
lol
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 10:26 AM (zOTsN)
Do not want to know which of my neighbors have guns because none of my business.
I have a big barky dog. Enough for me -- with good neighborhood relations.
Posted by: mustbequantum at October 02, 2015 10:27 AM (MIKMs)
and I refuse to see that person as "the real villain" or the "crazy person who wants to engage in self-defense."
No more unarmed victims.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 02, 2015 10:27 AM (g8Hfr)
People who actually were far smarter than you or I, founded this country on the right track.
People who think they are smarter than you or I, have subsequently run it into the septic ponds.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at October 02, 2015 10:27 AM (7rAXc)
Seriously, the idiocy surrounding all of this absolutely astounds me.
Posted by: Country Singer at October 02, 2015 10:23 AM (nL0sw)
Love that he got so upset because he KNEW he was right. Damn blowhard.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 02, 2015 10:28 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Shady Guy at the Gunshow at October 02, 2015 10:28 AM (VAsIq)
Facebook, "Hey I want to buy that gun." "Okay come on down to the tattoo
shop." Gee, that was hard.
[...]
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 10:14 AM (RhhYt)
You aren't listening.
Oregon has made this sort of transfer illegal without a background check.
WHAT DO YOU THINK JUST HAPPENED IN OREGON?
Posted by: Kindltot at October 02, 2015 10:28 AM (3pRHP)
*slowly opens book showing different tattoo designs that are easily hidden under a shirt*
Posted by: Shady Guy at the Tattoo Parlor at October 02, 2015 10:30 AM (VAsIq)
Yup...lord knows I get tired of Charles CW Cooke on many an occasion but he absolutely nailed the Morning Spew Crew on MSLSD this am...
the ONLY honest donk in the aftermath is Ogabe who very sublimely said "confiscate 'em all."
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 02, 2015 10:30 AM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: mustbequantum at October 02, 2015 10:27 AM (MIKMs)
Well, and that's fine.
And probably sufficient for a lot of neighborhoods.
No one will try to force you to buy a gun, and as long as you reciprocate by not trying to make it harder for others to buy guns, everyone will be happy.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 10:30 AM (AkOaV)
Question: Should he have had to submit a Universal Background Check per the President's demands?
Posted by: V the K at October 02, 2015 10:30 AM (O7MnT)
Posted by: Arson Wells at October 02, 2015 10:30 AM (UnJ7w)
There are several members of Congress who could not qualify to work a mop....that's just one example.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 02, 2015 10:30 AM (kXoT0)
Since 2007: 3 times as many foreign born people got American jobs than native born people. 3 TIMES.
That's 528K compared to 2118K.
Yes, you read that right, over the past 8 Years, the number of employed native-born Americans has only increased by 528K.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 02, 2015 10:30 AM (LXJ1e)
WHAT DO YOU THINK JUST HAPPENED IN OREGON?
Posted by: Kindltot at October 02, 2015 10:28 AM (3pRHP)
Do we know what happened in Oregon?
As far as we know, the kid was old enough and had no record and would have passed a background check. Right?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 10:31 AM (AkOaV)
*slowly unzips pants*
Posted by: Shady Guy at the Gunshow
'scuse me while I whip this out...
--The Sheriff
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at October 02, 2015 10:32 AM (9krrF)
Sounds reasonable. If you don't like guns, don't buy one.
Posted by: V the K at October 02, 2015 10:32 AM (O7MnT)
Posted by: Grimaldi at October 02, 2015 09:47 AM (xgztj)
One reason is that journalists today have the breadth of knowledge and historical perspective of a 14-year-old.
A very ghey 4-year-old. Hint: count the number of presenters on NPR that lisp.
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at October 02, 2015 10:32 AM (laMCB)
*slowly adjusts eyepatch covering his severely bruised eye from the last kid he lured into his van*
Posted by: Shady Guy in the Senate at October 02, 2015 10:33 AM (VAsIq)
I've said this to people many times. I don't understand why it pisses them off.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at October 02, 2015 10:33 AM (u5gzz)
Obama's son was 26 not 20....
so he likely bought every weapon legally.
You either believe in liberty and take the risks that is entails or you don't.
Ogabe doesn't he knew his Xian hating son was out of control I guess.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 02, 2015 10:33 AM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: V the K at October 02, 2015 10:32 AM (O7MnT)
I found out that I am allergic to gluten, so no bread for me, but, I am fine with you buying or baking bread.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 02, 2015 10:33 AM (kXoT0)
And, I am not trying to make it harder for anyone to purchase a gun. It's not like I think people should go through Seal training to qualify for gun ownership. You should be able to walk into any gun shop and buy any gun of your heart's desire.
All I am saying is, you shouldn't be able to walk up to a house, hand someone a $100 bill, and get a gun. That's all.
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 10:33 AM (RhhYt)
Posted by: V the K at October 02, 2015 10:32 AM (O7MnT)
Yeah.
And in my neighborhood in particular, I think you'd probably be okay not buying a gun.
Only because the rest of the neighborhood is armed, and 3 cops including the chief of police live on the same block as me (makes having parties a little awkward, but otherwise they're all good neighbors.)
But you are relying on your neighbors to protect you if anything were to happen. Which, personally, I'd rather not have to do.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 10:34 AM (AkOaV)
It was amazing that the insufferable twit made it through an entire segment without taking a shot at Sarah Palin or flyover conservatives.
However, when he goes back on Bill Maher's program, he'll be sure to reaffirm what a group of uneducated knuckle draggers we are.
Posted by: jwest at October 02, 2015 10:34 AM (Zs4uk)
Posted by: Bob Marley at October 02, 2015 10:34 AM (VAsIq)
The homeowner said that package wasnt for her. He stuck his foot in the door and he and his two friends rushed inside. They held a gun to the homeowners head. They tied up the homeowner, her nanny and her three preschool children with duct tape. They beat her. They looted the house. They stuck a gun her in face
this was at about 10 am on a weekday.
I am more worried about that than a spree killer
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 10:35 AM (zOTsN)
Hmm. $10. You don't happen to have an address for this tattoo parlor do you?
Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at October 02, 2015 10:35 AM (evdj2)
We don't need another gun discussion. The science is settled on that. We need a crazy person on the streets discussion.
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at October 02, 2015 10:35 AM (laMCB)
________
That is the whole point.
Posted by: mustbequantum at October 02, 2015 10:35 AM (MIKMs)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 02, 2015 10:36 AM (NeFrd)
There was a thing a few years ago -- I must have seen it here because where else -- where a guy had a tattoo of a gun on his abdomen that looked like a gun tucked into his waistband.
He was walking around without a shirt and it looked so realistic I think a cop drew on him.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Team Lefty and Scamp at October 02, 2015 10:36 AM (JtwS4)
"And, I am not trying to make it harder for anyone to purchase a gun."
83
"there has to be a way to keep it from being as easy of buying a pack of gum, right?"
108
"I just think it should be a little bit harder for people to buy their guns."
Posted by: joe at October 02, 2015 10:36 AM (34w2E)
And, I am not trying to make it harder for anyone to purchase a gun. It's not like I think people should go through Seal training to qualify for gun ownership. You should be able to walk into any gun shop and buy any gun of your heart's desire.
All I am saying is, you shouldn't be able to walk up to a house, hand someone a $100 bill, and get a gun. That's all.
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 10:33 AM (RhhYt)
You believe the first one. Or you believe the second. You can't do both.
Posted by: buzzion at October 02, 2015 10:36 AM (zt+N6)
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 09:49 AM (RhhYt)
Then.
And, I am not trying to make it harder for anyone to purchase a gun.
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 10:33 AM (RhhYt)
Posted by: Arson Wells at October 02, 2015 10:36 AM (UnJ7w)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil
OMG! I'll start a petition to ban bread and bread-related objects from being present in a 10 mile radius of wherever you are! You poor thing.
Posted by: the Left at October 02, 2015 10:36 AM (VAsIq)
The shooter asked who was a member of an organized religion and shot them.
Thanks media.
Posted by: Hillary's alcoholic depression at October 02, 2015 10:36 AM (T1Jm0)
Your concern is:
[X] Noted
[..] Other than noted
Posted by: Grump928(c) at October 02, 2015 10:36 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 10:33 AM (RhhYt)
And we're saying that, with small, small exceptions you already can't do that legally.
If someone sells guns, they need an FFL.
If you're talking about my cousin saying, "hey, Harry Paratestes, do you want to buy my uncles old .22 from me? I need some cash, I'm a little behind on the bills and I was hoping to keep the gun in the family" and me saying "sure, cuz. I'd love to help you out and I have room in the safe." then I don't understand why you think that should be illegal.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 10:37 AM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at October 02, 2015 10:37 AM (u5gzz)
what is needed here is common sense licensing of tongues folks...
the media and pop culture TV that has demonized Xianity set this kid off...
so the media should not be able to pay 100 bucks for electricity and spread its designated villain hate....
there are already laws on the books about "illegal private transfers"...
laws can't change the heart of man prior to action.
I assure you this idiot either bought his guns legally or stole them from someone who did....
one more law won't "fix" this.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 02, 2015 10:37 AM (g8Hfr)
Oddly enough, the Founders had no faith in police politics the people or any of that either.
Their solution was to set up everything in opposition to each other
Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Dice at October 02, 2015 10:37 AM (IfSin)
We know the game. You're not very good at it.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 02, 2015 10:37 AM (D6asv)
Posted by: ThunderB
So...should the nanny have been packing, or the preschoolers?
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at October 02, 2015 10:38 AM (VAsIq)
(Only) Political props' lives matter.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 02, 2015 10:39 AM (NOIQH)
Posted by: the next spree killer at October 02, 2015 10:39 AM (VAsIq)
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 09:49 AM (RhhYt)
Then.
And, I am not trying to make it harder for anyone to purchase a gun.
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 10:33 AM (RhhYt)
Posted by: Arson Wells at October 02, 2015 10:36 AM (UnJ7w)
Gee I wonder where the confusion could be. Clearly its with us, and not with Tickled Pink. They're just being too consistent in their thinking.
Posted by: buzzion at October 02, 2015 10:39 AM (zt+N6)
Russia warns Israel not to attack Iran clients in Syria.
Israel says it won't allow Hezbollah bases in Syria.
Josh Earnest to reiterate the growing tranquility of the global community under Obama.
Posted by: Semper In Stercus at October 02, 2015 10:39 AM (BZAd3)
she should have been packing
mommy answered the door, got bum rushed, and watched them tie up her babies
I would rather stop them at the door
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 10:39 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Chi at October 02, 2015 10:39 AM (nMP3C)
Posted by: Doom Rider at October 02, 2015 10:40 AM (ck8TA)
At least it is not that "Diversity is our Strength" bilge
As far as we know, the kid was old enough and had no record and would have passed a background check. Right?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 10:31 AM (AkOaV
That was my frustrated point. The intrusive laws on personal purchase and gunfree zones seem to not be important to the screwed in the head, and make sure they are not impeded when they decide to try for a high-score body count.
God knows why I let the uninformed and programmed get under my skin. It is not like they will ever set aside what has been beaten into them from anything I say.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 02, 2015 10:40 AM (3pRHP)
Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 02, 2015 10:30 AM (LXJ1e)
You can bet those jobs are at lower wages than native-born Americans are willing to accept. I was appalled in my last job at what experienced techs were making. But they were green card holders and didn't complain.
Gosh, I wonder what would happen to jobs and wages if those people were, like, not here?
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at October 02, 2015 10:40 AM (laMCB)
This lefty bimbo is on Stuart Varney's show. She just said about the jobs number. You can't blame Barry for the bad number. The president can't be responsible for the whole economy. That's not fair. Then said, he inherited a bad economy to begin with.
Oh I see, good economic news and Barry can do victory laps but bad news it's not his fault and it's still all Bush's fault.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 02, 2015 10:41 AM (493sH)
Posted by: Earnest Angley at October 02, 2015 10:41 AM (u5gzz)
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 10:33 AM (RhhYt)
And bank robbers shouldn't be able to walk into a bank and rob it with a fake bomb.
We all want there to be no crime. I wanted a pet unicorn as a child as well.
Posted by: Semper In Stercus at October 02, 2015 10:42 AM (BZAd3)
I just don't think that an elderly grandmother should be able to just walk into a tattoo parlor and buy a pacemaker like it was a pack of gum.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 02, 2015 10:42 AM (NeFrd)
I don't know.
But I do know this -- there was a 30 year old Army vet on campus who rushed the shooter, got shot 5 times for his troubles, and thankfully lived to tell about it.
What do you want to bet that he, like virtually all military vets of that age that I know, has a carry permit and was only not carrying his firearm because school policy said you could be expelled if you carried on campus.
Will anyone investigate that angle? How many lives could have been saved if this army vet had been armed?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 10:42 AM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 02, 2015 10:43 AM (NeFrd)
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 10:43 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: RickZ at October 02, 2015 10:44 AM (dcIVz)
And, 298, obviously I don't think something like that should be prohibited.
But, surely you guys can see the difference between going to a licensed shop to buy a gun and going to the Shell parking lot to buy a gun from someone in a van.
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 10:44 AM (RhhYt)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 02, 2015 10:44 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: jwest at October 02, 2015 10:45 AM (Zs4uk)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 02, 2015 10:41 AM (493sH)
Just as $5.00 / gal gas isn't Barky's fault, but $2.00 / gal gas is that rat bastard Bush in cahoots with his big oil buddies.
Forget being painful - it should be fatal to be that stupid.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 02, 2015 10:46 AM (zF6Iw)
there is no law that will stop all mentally deranged killers
never ever in the history of the world
there is no law that will stop all killings
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 10:46 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Grump928(c) notes at October 02, 2015 10:47 AM (evdj2)
Oh I see, good economic news and Barry can do victory laps but bad news it's not his fault and it's still all Bush's fault.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 02, 2015 10:41 AM (493sH)
Yes, I love the dissonance.
That's be their MO from the beginning. Obam responsible for everything good and Obama not responsible for anything bad. Bush responsible for everything bad.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 02, 2015 10:47 AM (LXJ1e)
Posted by: Ajay Sidhu at October 02, 2015 09:19 AM (evdj2)
I went before we left. Mommy #2 knew best.
Posted by: The Modern Man at October 02, 2015 10:47 AM (wKcQA)
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at October 02, 2015 10:47 AM (EIFYf)
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 10:33 AM (RhhYt)
You over simplify, but.....
the problem is not the weapon, or the method of acquisition. The problem is the debasement of society by dunderheaded policies of "feels", the coddling of criminality by racial origin and the destruction of the most basic of societal constructs in the quest for votes and power.
All done by lunkheads who live their lives pissed off because they never got to sit at the "cool table" in high school.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at October 02, 2015 10:47 AM (7rAXc)
military vets of that age that I know, has a carry permit and was only
not carrying his firearm because school policy said you could be
expelled if you carried on campus.
Will anyone investigate that angle? How many lives could have been saved if this army vet had been armed?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 10:42 AM (AkOaV)
After the Vet at Western Oregon State College got taken down, cuffed and held for a couple of days, and then was subjected to lawfare by the college (and then it disappeared mysteriously and rumors of gag-orders floated)
I guess quite a few do not want to have their education disrupted, their bank accounts cleaned out, and their civil rights taken away.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 02, 2015 10:47 AM (3pRHP)
I prefer the second. Make of that what you will.
Posted by: Grump928(c) notes at October 02, 2015 10:48 AM (evdj2)
Yeah, I see the difference. I much prefer the guy in the van.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at October 02, 2015 10:48 AM (u5gzz)
"All I am saying is, you shouldn't be able to walk up to a house, hand someone a $100 bill, and get a gun. That's all."
To track private sales there would need to be a registry which is the first step to total confiscation. Sorry, but there is nothing wrong with the situation you described.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at October 02, 2015 10:48 AM (m3iiU)
As it stands, person-to-person sales of long gun within the same state of residence are legal (generally, states differ). However, you also have to do a certain amount of due diligence as to whether the buyer is legally allowed to own one. There's a lot of leeway in the language, but if you sell to someone that can't even produce ID, you've broken the law.
Now, there's no way to stop criminals from transferring goods between each other. This is the law of the universe, and there's nothing that can change that. Adding an impediment to lawful buyers and sellers won't do any good.
But, what we, the gun owners that were around when the assault weapons ban was being debated, is that the language you are using is what is used to justify do-nothing laws that hamper the law abiding.
And that's why you're getting so much pushback.
If you have any questions, please ask.
Posted by: Chupacabra at October 02, 2015 10:48 AM (XiVKO)
Oh, I'm working on it, fatty!
*glares at jwest*
Posted by: Lizzy at October 02, 2015 10:48 AM (NOIQH)
for his calculation was ready for a fight he is likely to lose.
Ban College Campuses
Posted by: Mortimer at October 02, 2015 10:48 AM (0dcbp)
Posted by: Lizzy at October 02, 2015 10:48 AM (NOIQH)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC
Man, I loved that table....
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at October 02, 2015 10:49 AM (VAsIq)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at October 02, 2015 10:49 AM (0O7c5)
****
Oooh. If I could get my pet pony that I always wanted when I was a kid we could breed them and make ponicorns!!!
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 02, 2015 10:50 AM (NeFrd)
But you want everyone to have to ask them for permission to make a private property transaction.
Fucked up.
Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken at October 02, 2015 10:50 AM (vn2q2)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at October 02, 2015 10:50 AM (VAsIq)
No. But there are far too many laws that make it difficult to get mentally deranged people off the streets.
That should be the focus. Not more gun laws which don't do crap.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 02, 2015 10:51 AM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 10:33 AM (RhhYt)
Chainsaws?
Machetes?
Hammers?
Icepicks?
Cars and trucks aka 2000 lb killing machines?
Posted by: Mortimer at October 02, 2015 10:51 AM (0dcbp)
Note I have purchased at gun stores and shows also. So I know how it works.
The transaction seemed weird to me buying from a guy in a parking lot because it seemed surreptitious even though it wasn't. The listing on AL said have ID and sign bill of sale but ultimately the guy didn't do that (I think he did look at my DL to make sure I was in state).
Here is why it may seem strange to people not in the "gun culture" to see firearms exchange hands that way: when people say there needs to be more background checks and when gun people respond that you already have to get background checks, this looks to be a contradiction. I know that there is no such thing as a "gunshow loophole," if you go to a gunshow and buy from a commercial seller you have to do a background check just like if you walked into the store. But, you can also just meet some guy in a parking lot and buy a gun with no background check - perfectly legally.
Tickled pink notes that private transactions could never be policed properly. Well, that's true. You just couldn't put the same laws into effect for private sales that you do for commercial.
Are private transactions a "bad idea?" I don't agree with that sentiment, but if you want to make the argument that what we need to do is keep guns out of the hands of crazy people - which a lot of pro-gun people do - it is hard to square with an almost completely unregulated trade in firearms for private sales. That is not a call for the trade to be regulated, it is an observation of how it is.
And taking people who have reasonable questions like this to task is counter productive. Instead of resorting to name calling consider their positions.
There was a story a little while back about that guy who was found dead in his car with stories of being a CIA agent or whatever, and he had 1300 guns in his house. I noted on that thread that this was a shitload of guns - I did not say that it was bad or that he should not have had them, just noted that it was a lot.
Can you guess whether I was called a troll?
Yes, yes I was. And I am a veteran, a gun owner and an NRA member who takes his wife and kids to shoot at the range at NRA HQ - and people came down on me as insufficiently pure on guns for saying that 1300 guns is a lot. Which it is.
Posted by: blaster at October 02, 2015 10:51 AM (2Ocf1)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon
And if you throw in what I like, you can have pornicorns!
Posted by: Brony at October 02, 2015 10:51 AM (VAsIq)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 02, 2015 10:51 AM (NeFrd)
If there is any justice in this world, a GoFundMe account will be opened up today to have a lifesize bronze statue of this guy made and installed on the campus.
Let this country of idiots who tag the word "hero" on every piss headed liberal who writes a hashtag against racism know what a real hero is.
Start a culture of bravery and sacrifice in the face of mass shooters that will inspire others in the same situation.
"Merica, Fuck Yeah".
Posted by: jwest at October 02, 2015 10:52 AM (Zs4uk)
Posted by: buzzion at October 02, 2015 10:52 AM (zt+N6)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 02, 2015 10:50 AM (NeFrd)
Dad always said until the age of six he could have traded me for a pony.
Sometimes I wondered what living in a paddock would have been like,
Posted by: Kindltot at October 02, 2015 10:52 AM (3pRHP)
I don't see people posting pot on Facebook for purchase.
Private sellers of guns have no fear of enforcement. Just because something is going to happen whether it's legal or not (i.e.: pot) isn't a reason to not enforce laws.
@324- perhaps I am oversimplifying. But, to me, it's a lot easier to keep track of guns than it is to keep people from going insane/ evil.
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 10:52 AM (RhhYt)
Posted by: Brony
*****
Sick bastidge!!! They are just innocent ponies.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 02, 2015 10:53 AM (NeFrd)
Posted by: Modern Man at October 02, 2015 10:53 AM (W5DcG)
Oh I see, good economic news and Barry can do victory laps but bad news it's not his fault and it's still all Bush's fault.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 02, 2015 10:41 AM (493sH)
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All bad economic news is Bush's fault. Barry "inherited" a terrible economy; he had nothing to do with creating it. Never mind that Barry was one of the lefty idiots pushing for years for more "affordable" housing (i.e., for more taxpayer guarantees for lousy credit-risk borrowers; lower standards at Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac), and also one of the idiots suing the big banks for refusing to give mortgage loans to "minority" (i.e. bad credit-risk) borrowers -- which was one of the things that led the banks to start packaging up bad mortgages in goofy and risky financial products and re-selling them to dupes, which eventually led to all sorts of financial disasters for everybody.
And never mind the fact that in 2008, Barry told everybody that he had the answers to the terrible economy that he "inherited" and he would turn things around as soon as he could get his big economic "stimulus" bill passed.
Well it's now been years since Barry's trillion dollar "stimulus" passed into law (and the money disappeared into Democrats' bank accounts), and the economy is still limping along, as shitty as ever, and all we have to show for it is another trillion+ dollars of debt.
But none of that is Barry's fault!
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at October 02, 2015 10:53 AM (a31sM)
And you're not listening.
First - in Oregon this is apparently already illegal (and I have lots of property rights issues with that).
Second - the fact such a thing is illegal will not stop a single bad guy who wishes to buy a gun that way.
This is the failure of any gun control argument - from registration, to background checks, to confiscation: the only people who will be affected are the law abiding citizens, and they're not the ones you had to fear in the first place.
The guy who decides to start shooting up a college campus? He's not going to be particularly hindered by the fact there's a law that says he can't buy a gun from a private seller.
The reason you don't have an answer is there is no answer. There is only acceptance of one of two sub-optimal outcomes.
Outcome 1 - it is easy to purchase weapons, meaning it is easy for bad guys (or "crazy people") to buy guns.
Outcome 2 - it is hard (or impossible) to legally purchase weapons, meaning it is slightly more difficult for bad guys to buy guns.
That's it. Those are your two options. Note that neither one stops bad guys from buying guns.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 10:53 AM (kff5f)
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Tickled Pink: I mean, as much as I feel gun control is a waste of time...there has to be a way to keep it from being as easy of buying a pack of gum, right?
I liked what someone said on here many moons back about some NWestern state (Montana) gun law. Are you incarcerated? No? [Cash register sound]
Hippie dippie coworker: Tell her gramma in Salem should take firearms training and start packing.
That's my 2¢ contribution. Did I manage to be the Willow?
Posted by: mindful webworker - variable speed model at October 02, 2015 10:53 AM (PF3Gg)
shop to buy a gun and going to the Shell parking lot to buy a gun from
someone in a van.
Surely you can understand that gangbangers and drug cartels and other criminals are going to continue buying and selling stolen and otherwise illegally-possessed pieces in that parking lot no matter how much you hamstring law-abiding citizens who want to protect themselves from said criminals.
Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken at October 02, 2015 10:54 AM (vn2q2)
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 10:44 AM (RhhYt)
a) not really
but
b) if I were to accept your premise -- it's already illegal for someone who sells guns to sell guns without an FFL and without doing background checks. So what we're talking about is the scenario like my cousin trying to sell me his old gun, or a friend, or whatnot. Maybe you're talking about something like armslist in which private sellers and buyers can buy and sell guns to each other without an FFL taking their gigantic cut.
In all of those scenarios, its a felony to sell a gun to someone you know or should know is prohibited from buying a gun.
So like I said -- MOST private sales still go through an FFL OR require you to produce a carry permit. Go check armslist if you don't believe me.
The scenario you talk about sounds more like a black market transaction with scratched off serial numbers and sketchy guys selling bootleg DVDs, stolen guns, and crack out of the back of a van.
That's already illegal.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 10:54 AM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon
Oh. Rainbow Dash is far from innocent.
Posted by: Brony at October 02, 2015 10:55 AM (VAsIq)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at October 02, 2015 10:49 AM (VAsIq)
:-) We were outside in the smoking lot watching hole shots and passing around the occasional joint.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at October 02, 2015 10:55 AM (7rAXc)
you just cant stop every bad thing i the world from happening. My personal belief is that all these disurbed people had parents who knew their child was crazy. Only a couple tried to get them committed. The rest gave up.
There should be a strealined process for a parent to commit an adult child who is going off the rails
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 10:55 AM (zOTsN)
buzzion, if you weren't dead, you would smell cat piss in this thread. That's who tickled pink is.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands) at October 02, 2015 10:55 AM (u0lmX)
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 10:52 AM (RhhYt)
So you believe all guns should be tracked and you must know who owns what gun.
Posted by: buzzion at October 02, 2015 10:55 AM (zt+N6)
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at October 02, 2015 10:48 AM (u5gzz)
Too old
Posted by: Harry Reid (P)ederast at October 02, 2015 10:56 AM (fWAjv)
He will be missed.
358 There's nothing in here but dead threads.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 02, 2015 10:55 AM (LUgeY)
Posted by: Grump928(c) notes at October 02, 2015 10:56 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken at October 02, 2015 10:56 AM (vn2q2)
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 10:44 AM (RhhYt)
You are making utopian arguments that are (and I am not purposely trying to insult you) that cannot be applied to the real world.
Poverty shouldn't exist. Everybody should have equal outcomes. There should be no war.
People should be realistic, and rational, in aspiring to mitigate these things.
It's good (I think) to want things, but irrationality probably won't help you attain them.
Posted by: Semper In Stercus at October 02, 2015 10:56 AM (BZAd3)
That's already illegal.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
*quietly slips out back, drives van full of stolen goods to desert, douses it in gasoline, lights it*
I had no idea I was breaking any laws.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at October 02, 2015 10:56 AM (VAsIq)
thank you for your concern......you know the gov't has already said they can't keep track of the illegal immigrants and it would be fucking impossible to round them all up and send them home...yet you....think they could keep track of guns.....all billion of them? really.....
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at October 02, 2015 10:57 AM (0O7c5)
Only as a child?
Well, I guess there's that whole "virgin" issue...
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 10:57 AM (kff5f)
Posted by: Hairy Reed at October 02, 2015 10:57 AM (ham8J)
which a lot of pro-gun people do - it is hard to square with an almost
completely unregulated trade in firearms for private sales. That is not
a call for the trade to be regulated, it is an observation of how it
is.
Bearing arms is a right, which comes with the freedom to be responsible for the consequences.
A right is no longer a right if regulated.
You are promoting group punishment for the actions of a tiny minority.
It's encouraging the tyranny of the minority.
Patrick Henry had some words on the subject of liberty.
Posted by: Mortimer at October 02, 2015 10:57 AM (0dcbp)
As a matter of practicality, no.
Let's say for argument's sake that I had four guns before the awful canoe accident. Two were handed down in the family. One was given to me by a guy who didn't want to shoot small caliber any more. One was purchased, used, at a gun store.
Only the last one has any paper trail and (assuming they haven't lied and there is no registry) it would still be rather hard to "track".
There are =/- 300 mm guns out there already.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Team Lefty and Scamp at October 02, 2015 10:57 AM (JtwS4)
In fairness, there's only 380 million of them in private hands.
Piece of cake.
Posted by: Grump928(c) notes at October 02, 2015 10:58 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: Brony at October 02, 2015 10:51 AM (VAsIq)
www dot rule34 dot triple X. As My Little Porny as it can be.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 02, 2015 10:58 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 02, 2015 10:58 AM (E5UB0)
Posted by: Kindltot at October 02, 2015 10:52 AM (3pRHP)
It's OK, I guess.
Posted by: Sarah Jessica Parker at October 02, 2015 10:59 AM (zF6Iw)
Air Titans are no match for a hurricane, I guess.
Posted by: Methos at October 02, 2015 10:59 AM (ZbV+0)
preposterous
it is much easy to keep track of deranged people than it is track each gun
that is nuts
their families know these deranged people are deranged
the vast vast majority are under a doctors care, they know they are deranged
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 10:59 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 02, 2015 11:00 AM (Dsvnk)
Posted by: The Modess Man at October 02, 2015 11:00 AM (wKcQA)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 02, 2015 11:00 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Mortimer
I sure did. Now where did I lock my wife up again....?
Posted by: Patrick Henry at October 02, 2015 11:00 AM (VAsIq)
Surprise, surprise, surprise. Not only is this month shitty but last month was worse than reported. It must all be so unexpected
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 02, 2015 11:00 AM (493sH)
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at October 02, 2015 11:00 AM (u5gzz)
OBAMA ADMINISTRATION AND UN ANNOUNCE GLOBAL POLICE FORCE TO FIGHT 'EXTREMISM' IN U.S.
http://bit.ly/1N8msBP
breitbart
excerpt
On Wednesday, Attorney General Loretta Lynch announced at the United Nations that her office would be working in several American cities to form what she called the Strong Cities Network (SCN), a law enforcement initiative that would encompass the globe.
This amounts to nothing less than the overriding of American laws, up to and including the United States Constitution, in favor of United Nations laws that would henceforth be implemented in the United States itself - without any consultation of Congress at all.
The United Nations is a sharia-compliant world body, and Obama, speaking there just days ago, insisted that "violent extremism" is not exclusive to Islam (which it is). Obama is redefining jihad terror to include everyone but the jihadists. So will the UN, driven largely by the sharia-enforcing Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) and the pro-Islamic post-American President Obama, use a "global police force" to crush counter-jihad forces?
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 02, 2015 11:00 AM (qCMvj)
has already said they can't keep track of the illegal immigrants and it
would be fucking impossible to round them all up and send them
home...yet you....think they could keep track of guns.....all billion of
them? really.....
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at October 02, 2015 10:57 AM (0O7c5)
Well, illegal immigrants would be reduced enormously if the Fed and state treated employers of illegal Aliens like they treat people who have and use illegal firearms.
ATF and the the state police kicking in doors of employers and ransacking the place of employment, confiscating the workers and putting the business owner and hiring managers in jail and with massive fines?
Posted by: Kindltot at October 02, 2015 11:00 AM (3pRHP)
Posted by: mindful webworker - by chance at October 02, 2015 11:01 AM (PF3Gg)
That is all you need to know about their mental faculties and reasoning skills.
Posted by: buzzion at October 02, 2015 11:01 AM (zt+N6)
Let's say we decide to go your way. Which specific incidents would have been prevented by the increased regulation?
I'll save you the effort. The answer is zero. Your prescribed solution does nothing to actually fix the problem that you're worried about.
Posted by: joe at October 02, 2015 11:02 AM (34w2E)
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 10:52 AM (RhhYt)
The only to do what you want, is to completely trample on the rights of the law abiding. After which, the problem will still exist.
Thus, nothing is really done, the problem is not solved and the lunkheads run victory laps on the shoulders of hosanna-chanting media.
...and violent crime goes through the roof.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at October 02, 2015 11:02 AM (7rAXc)
Have you ever seen a Sub-2000? Supposedly those are pretty awesome for your application.
Personally I haven't, so can't comment one way or the other if they are, in fact, awesome.
Posted by: Chupacabra at October 02, 2015 11:02 AM (XiVKO)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at October 02, 2015 11:02 AM (VAsIq)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 02, 2015 11:00 AM (qCMvj)
Let me see your papers.
Posted by: Semper In Stercus at October 02, 2015 11:03 AM (BZAd3)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 02, 2015 11:03 AM (Dsvnk)
I agree. But I distinctly remember the mother of the Newtown shooter saying how much trouble she had getting mental help for her son. That got buried of course. All we heard about was gun control.
Liberals fought hard to open the doors of asylums and flood the street with lots of people who have no business there and have fought equally hard to keep any reform from happening. I'd just rather see the focus stay on the source of the problem.
Never going to stop all violent crime. As I posted in the earlier thread, there was a deadly shooting just last night in Australia hours after Obama held them up as a model of gun control and safety. But I have no problem supporting more focus on keeping guns out of the hands of people who should never have them.
And perhaps just a bit more focus on places like Chicago where illegal guns kill more people every year than all these mass shootings combined.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 02, 2015 11:03 AM (/tuJf)
the vast vast majority are under a doctors care, they know they are deranged
And if they were allowed to exercise their freedom of speech to say "Uncle Tommy's nutz!!" rather being forced to suppress their politically incorrect, bigoted, hurtful views against poor special snowflake Uncle Tommy and his otherly-abled worldview , they might be able to get the real problem solved.
Posted by: Mortimer at October 02, 2015 11:03 AM (0dcbp)
No. I don't.
I was using an extreme example to highlight the difficulty of dealing with people of mental illness.
It would be impossible to track and control gun ownership and transference. It would be even more difficult to track and control people who are mentally and emotionally not all there.
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 11:03 AM (RhhYt)
gun registry doesnt STOP crime'
it only helps identify the criminals
gun registry is not magic, it does not stop crime
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 11:03 AM (zOTsN)
I've only seen videos, but it does look interesting. I've heard it's so popular that dealers can't keep them in stock.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at October 02, 2015 11:04 AM (u5gzz)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 02, 2015 11:04 AM (qCMvj)
criminals are going to continue buying and selling stolen and otherwise
illegally-possessed pieces in that parking lot no matter how much you
hamstring law-abiding citizens who want to protect themselves from said
criminals.
And if the border was secure these wonderful folks wouldn't be able to bring firearms into the country to sell to gangs. Might even put a dent in the massive flow of heroin that's flooding the streets of inner-city neighborhoods. Has nothing to do with law-abiding citizens IMHO.
Posted by: dartist at October 02, 2015 11:04 AM (J/n2N)
*****
But at the same time they are reassured by primary care doctors and mental health "professionals" that the medication will "manage" the condition. They very well may have been sold a bill of goods in this regard.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 02, 2015 11:04 AM (NeFrd)
Bush is to blame for the bad economy - not Obama.
Guns are the problem - not crime, or criminals.
A pattern is beginning to emerge.
Posted by: Semper In Stercus at October 02, 2015 11:05 AM (BZAd3)
Posted by: Michael Phelps at October 02, 2015 11:05 AM (VAsIq)
Demanding reality conform to your wishes is itself a sign of mental illness.
Posted by: Grump928(c) notes at October 02, 2015 11:06 AM (evdj2)
Usurping our own police force.
This is getting ugly.
Weakens our military.
Weakens our police.
Installs their own (jarrett and obama etc).
this is sick
writing on the wall
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 02, 2015 11:06 AM (qCMvj)
In fairness, there's only 380 million of them in private hands.
_________________
So, just like the incompetent federal government couldn't secure private information at OPM or Dept. of State, the Russian, Chinese, North Koreans and ISIS will have information on private gun owners if Obama has his way.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at October 02, 2015 11:06 AM (YqcVw)
Bad ad. Make it go away.
Posted by: blaster at October 02, 2015 11:06 AM (2Ocf1)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 02, 2015 11:06 AM (Dsvnk)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at October 02, 2015 10:56 AM (VAsIq)
http://tinyurl.com/kk9hg82
works every time
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 11:06 AM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Semper In Stercus at October 02, 2015 11:07 AM (BZAd3)
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 10:33 AM (RhhYt)
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In Oregon you can't do that. Well legally anyway. Illegally you can do whatever the fuck you want. Which is why gun control laws are useless.
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 02, 2015 11:07 AM (0LHZx)
Yes, that's the one that cost an enormous amount of money for everyone involved and solved no crimes.
Registration's no different.
Posted by: Chupacabra at October 02, 2015 11:07 AM (XiVKO)
Posted by: Mortimer at October 02, 2015 11:07 AM (0dcbp)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at October 02, 2015 11:07 AM (VAsIq)
my family has a small business....we use a temp agency to hire our workers....e verify....a govt program that is used to check every worker we hire is a joke.......the gov't is verifying people that we later find out are not who they say they are....but the gov't clears them to work...this is happening in every single business that uses e verify....we are forced to use and pay for a broken gov't program so we don't have the fear of the govt arresting us who are just working...doing our job producing a product to sell to people who want it....so explain to me why it is a business's fault for hiring illegals and how the business needs to be punished along with the owners.......when the gov't cleared those very workers....
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at October 02, 2015 11:07 AM (0O7c5)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 02, 2015 11:07 AM (Dsvnk)
A lot of partisan political assholes are going to be very disappointed to find he wasn't what he claimed to be.
Posted by: Marcus T at October 02, 2015 11:08 AM (l/pfE)
it only identifies the killer after the fact, sometimes
its to aid investigation, it isnt prevention
any idea that gun registration is crime prevention is a fantasy
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 11:08 AM (zOTsN)
Disagree. Sure, there are people who are outwardly suffering from mental illness that friends and family are aware of.
But, there are countless numbers of people, people who seem "normal," but are one moment away from snapping. People with an underlying chip on their shoulder. The people who are still upset about being embarrassed by the QB in high school.
I'm a control freak. (Hard to believe, I'm sure). It's why flying freaks me out. Guns are something tangible. People's mental capacities aren't. Maybe that's part of my thought process.
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 11:08 AM (RhhYt)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 02, 2015 11:09 AM (Dsvnk)
Damn, I hate getting old.
On the upside, I can now hear a mouse fart at 20 paces.
Posted by: jwest at October 02, 2015 11:09 AM (Zs4uk)
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 02, 2015 11:07 AM (0LHZx)
...And that about sums it up.
I also think it's worth noting that guns bought in person-to-person transfer are an extreme minority of guns and haven't been used in any mass shootings that I recall, and are rarely if ever used in crimes.
But whatever. Narratives gotta narrate.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 11:10 AM (AkOaV)
It's so tacky to murder someone in an uncompliant manner. O_o
Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken at October 02, 2015 11:10 AM (vn2q2)
Posted by: Mortimer at October 02, 2015 11:10 AM (0dcbp)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 02, 2015 11:10 AM (NeFrd)
Child abuse in the name of diversity and tolerance. And profit.
Posted by: Methos at October 02, 2015 11:10 AM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: jwest
Can you still hit it with a rifle at that distance?
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at October 02, 2015 11:11 AM (VAsIq)
Posted by: buzzion at October 02, 2015 11:11 AM (zt+N6)
Yeah but what gives you the right to go around and decide who is one slight away from snapping and who isn't, and to curtail their constitutional rights based on your assessment?
And surely if someone is that dangerous, they should be nowhere near a 2000+ pound automobile, which can do as much if not more damage to life and limb than any gun can do. Right?
So should the DMV be weeding people out based on how they feel about potential drivers license applicants?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 11:11 AM (AkOaV)
Tickled Pink you havent been reasoned into this argument and you wont be reasoned out of it
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 11:11 AM (zOTsN)
That's like saying Kate's Law shouldn't exist because immigration laws are being broken all the time anyway. Yes, immigration laws are a joke. Kate's Law should still exist.
There is always room for improvement...even upon laws that are largely ignored anyway.
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 11:11 AM (RhhYt)
And, once again, the fallacy (which I've been allowing to go unremarked) of "crazy" rears its ugly head.
They're not crazy. Crazy people think the sky is purple, or that they're the Queen of Sheba. Crazy people are actually a) fairly easy to spot and/or b) mostly harmless.
Psychopaths are not "crazy." Psychopaths are evil. If you insist on addressing this in terms of "mental health" and "deranged" and "crazy" then you'll never be able to get to the right answer.
No, I don't particularly think that someone who is really not viewing the same reality I do needs a gun. However, I don't think the guy who thinks his motorcycle is a unicorn is that much of a threat, either.
I'm much more concerned with evil people. But the antidote for evil is not more laws and regulations, because the evil people will ignore them. The antidote for evil is to allow good men and women to *be* good men and women.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 11:11 AM (kff5f)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 10:19 AM (AkOaV)
but this also depends on where you live. I'm pretty sure if I posted on facebook that I was looking to buy a gun I would get offers from people I actually know, that involve nothing more than transferring cash.
Posted by: Lea at October 02, 2015 11:12 AM (lIU4e)
Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken
True that. I always make sure my lawyers give the go-ahead beforehand.
Posted by: Pres'nt Obama at October 02, 2015 11:12 AM (VAsIq)
my family has a small business....we use a temp agency to hire our workers....e verify....a govt program that is used to check every worker we hire is a joke.......the gov't is verifying people that we later find out are not who they say they are....but the gov't clears them to work...this is happening in every single business that uses e verify....we are forced to use and pay for a broken gov't program so we don't have the fear of the govt arresting us who are just working...doing our job producing a product to sell to people who want it....so explain to me why it is a business's fault for hiring illegals and how the business needs to be punished along with the owners.......when the gov't cleared those very workers....
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at October 02, 2015 11:07 AM (0O7c5)
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On the flip side there are companies that solicit illegals for employment, knowing full well that it is illegal to employ them.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 02, 2015 11:13 AM (LXJ1e)
Posted by: donna at October 02, 2015 11:13 AM (hUdMz)
I mean, it is illegal to walk into a school and kill people, and people do that anyway, so we shouldn't have laws against it?
No, that's a bad argument.
Posted by: blaster at October 02, 2015 11:13 AM (2Ocf1)
It's true.
But it is only a vexing problem to the political class, and the statists who see "guns" as a problem to be dealt with. And they've apparently convinced you too, which is too bad, because their premise is wrong deliberately.
Guns have no morals.
Guns have no agency.
Guns do NOT kill.
People have morals, or not. People have personal agency, and people can become murderous and kill.
So, why is it that the GUN gets demonized and blamed for the actions of a person? Who benefits from that leap of logic?
Cars and trucks are involved in crashes that costs thousands of lives per year.
Backyard pool drownings number in the hundred each year.
And yet, the politicians and media do not blame the cars, trucks, and pools for the deaths.
The product is not held responsible.
I think you need to question the premise that blames an inanimate object for the actions of a person and ask instead, why is the gun being blamed? Who benefits? What is the end goal?
Many of us have seen this act many times before, and have heard the words of the gun control advocates. When pressed, in moments of candor, they admit to wanting to disarm the citizenry. But afterwards, they revert to pushing for "common sense" restrictions on a codified right.
It might feel like the horde is piling on you, but it's not personal. We'd do the same to anyone who crosses what to many of us is a line in the sand.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 02, 2015 11:13 AM (kKHcp)
Posted by: AllenG
He is if he thinks I'm a dragon who's after his unicorn!
Posted by: Smaug at October 02, 2015 11:13 AM (VAsIq)
slight away from snapping and who isn't, and to curtail their
constitutional rights based on your assessment?
Yet another symptom. Mental illness is reinforced and exacerbated by bubble-wrapped citizens who believe their special neuroses should be everyone else's problem.
Go read 'Coddling of the American Mind' at the Atlantic.
Posted by: Mortimer at October 02, 2015 11:14 AM (0dcbp)
Posted by: The Jackhole at October 02, 2015 11:15 AM (3mTyP)
AllenG I was referring to spree killers like in the Aurora Colorado movie theater shooting, or Jared Laughner, or the Connecticut day school shooter
All clearly nuts, known by families and doctors.
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 11:15 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Semper In Stercus at October 02, 2015 11:15 AM (BZAd3)
Posted by: AllenG
The antidote for evil is...more cowbell!
Posted by: Christopher Walken--please, call me Christopher at October 02, 2015 11:15 AM (VAsIq)
Okay, I'll say it. Katie's Law shouldn't exist because immigration laws are being broken all the time - and not punished - anyway.
If you *enforce* the current laws on the books, you will reduce crime to the minimal practical level. Adding more laws does not help anything.
Actually, Katie's law shouldn't exist *because it's unnecessary.* The man who killed Katie Sepich was caught by the use of DNA evidence. Obviously expanded collection of DNA would not have stopped her murder, nor hastened the investigation because Avila's DNA was already on file.
Katie's law is the worst kind of "Do Something!" claptrap, and a perfect example of what not to do if you want a free society.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 11:15 AM (kff5f)
The product is not held responsible.
----
Ahem.
Posted by: "sticky gas pedal" Toyota at October 02, 2015 11:16 AM (VAsIq)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 11:17 AM (kff5f)
Which is why the rest of us want to be able to carry our legally purchased firearms anywhere we go. Such as college campus, movie theaters, and shopping malls.
Posted by: Jen the original at October 02, 2015 11:17 AM (rFdsN)
slight away from snapping and who isn't, and to curtail their
constitutional rights based on your assessment?
What I'm seeing that scares Me is the "Government" saying that a lot of Vets are so traumatized by fighting that they shouldn't be allowed to own a fire arm... Granted there are some that shouldn't but it seems they are trying to lump all of them together...
Posted by: donna at October 02, 2015 11:17 AM (hUdMz)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 02, 2015 11:17 AM (NeFrd)
Sticking a gun free zone sign up is not sufficient. You wanna disarm people?
Put TSA on every campus!!! Detectors, dogs, agents, black vans the whole works!
Come on commies ,Let's do this right!!!
Posted by: Mortimer at October 02, 2015 11:17 AM (0dcbp)
Ideally it just has one database with name SSN and DOB. Of course that means that a hack or anything like that will lose the whole system
IRS and taxing agencies do verify those numbers but they are forbidden to share
Posted by: Kindltot at October 02, 2015 11:18 AM (3pRHP)
Posted by: donna at October 02, 2015 11:19 AM (hUdMz)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 02, 2015 11:19 AM (Dsvnk)
I am talking about Kate's Law (Kate Steinle)
Not sure what the difference is in Kate's and Katie's Laws, but Kate's Law has nothing to do with DNA.
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 11:19 AM (RhhYt)
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 11:19 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon
FINE, Seamus, I'll do it. I'll make the call.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at October 02, 2015 11:19 AM (VAsIq)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon
Tell that to Dinesh D'Souza..
Posted by: donna at October 02, 2015 11:20 AM (hUdMz)
No, all we're pointing out is that the things you want to be made illegal and the the laws you want passed have already happened.
Like decades ago.
So none of us are sure what you're really saying here.
I'm pretty sure if I posted on facebook that I was looking to buy a gun I would get offers from people I actually know, that involve nothing more than transferring cash.
Posted by: Lea at October 02, 2015 11:12 AM (lIU4e)
Maybe, but having a friend or family member who knows you stop by the house and sell you a firearm is a little different then a "van in the Shell parking lot" scenario that Tickled Pink is talking about.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 11:20 AM (AkOaV)
That's not going to solve all of our issues, but opening up some sort of mental screening to gun purchases is a slippery slope. I would rather take my chances with the crazies.
Posted by: Coolio at October 02, 2015 11:20 AM (ugaUI)
Posted by: Tickled Pink
Is this the Kate Upton version of Kate's Law, or the Kate Beckinsale version? I'm partial to the latter myself.
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at October 02, 2015 11:21 AM (VAsIq)
Watch out for this, folks.
http://tinyurl.com/nshkggh
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 02, 2015 11:21 AM (NeFrd)
Usurping our own police force.
This is getting ugly.
Weakens our military.
Weakens our police.
Installs their own (jarrett and obama etc).
Is this the civilian force "just as strong" as the military that Obama talked about before his election?
https://youtu.be/Tt2yGzHfy7s
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 02, 2015 11:21 AM (W5DcG)
Thanks Burt...
lord knows what is missing here are self-appointed net cops.
Plenty of us don't need to "attack" Tickled Pinko directly to show the folly of their "just asking for solutions" pap...
I'm one of them.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 02, 2015 10:21 AM (g8Hfr)
You're a big boy, Sven. I'm not all that worried about needing to police you.
Still, sometimes when you're incoherent, you're more entertaining.
Just saying....
Posted by: BurtTC at October 02, 2015 11:21 AM (TOk1P)
Thank you. My concern is genuine. Possibly silly, but genuine all the same, and not trolling.
We'll probably have to agree to disagree on things. But, I wish we could all have debate in here, and disagree on things without it becoming name calling or piling on.
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 11:21 AM (RhhYt)
Ideally it just has one database with name SSN and DOB. Of course that means that a hack or anything like that will lose the whole system
IRS and taxing agencies do verify those numbers but they are forbidden to share
Posted by: Kindltot at October 02, 2015 11:18 AM (3pRHP)
No, it's a mess.
Biggest way around it is to find / give a legit SSN. then e-verify has no idea.
It's just looking for easily spottable bogus SSNs, but even then -- those are routinely missed. And people who are legal US citizens (especially if theyve had their SSN and ID stolen at any point) fail e-verify from time to time too.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 11:22 AM (AkOaV)
the courts can surely weigh the testimony of the family of the deranged individual and opt to give that greater weight than even a medical report to the contrary
the law does not require the testimony of a medical professional or "expert" be given a higher weight than any other witnesses testimony or evidence
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 11:22 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Mortimer at October 02, 2015 11:23 AM (0dcbp)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 10:19 AM (AkOaV)
_____________________
This is what happens to morons who go to buy a gun from someone they don't know.
It's Street Darwinism at its finest.
A guy with $100 needs a gun because doesn't have one, so he goes to see a guy with a gun.
The guy with the gun meets the guy without a gun.
The guy with the gun takes the $100 from the guy without the gun and punches him in the face.
The guy without the gun (and now liberated from his $100) says "What the fuck? I'm calling the police!"
The guy with the gun (and the $100) points the gun at the guy without the gun and says, "Call the police. They'd be interested to know why you are buying a gun for $100 on the street from someone you don't know. Genius."
The guy without the gun is now mad at the guy with the gun so he goes home and gets another $100 and goes to see another guy with a gun to buy again.
Repeat previous scenario.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at October 02, 2015 11:23 AM (YqcVw)
I blame Google. I put in Kate's Law, and got results for Katie's Law.
However, after more google-fu, I say the same- it is unnecessary. Minimum sentences are not the correct answer - enforcing current law is. If we kicked out illegal aliens and controlled our border, we'd see a much greater reduction in crime by illegal aliens than we would if we had minimum sentencing.
So - Kate's Law: also unnecessary. Enforce existing law, don't write new.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 11:24 AM (kff5f)
Tickled, there's really nothing to debate and I think that's why people are being short.
It's like you're arguing "murder should be made illegal. I'm sick of people getting murdered."
And people are saying "murder is already illegal." and then youre saying "but we need to enforce the laws better, there are times when people murder other people and get away with it"
and there's just nothing to say to that.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 11:24 AM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 02, 2015 11:24 AM (Dsvnk)
Posted by: ThunderB
It does if I'm the expert!
Posted by: Brian Dennehy at October 02, 2015 11:24 AM (VAsIq)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 11:15 AM (kff5f)
I agree with that. I also believe that the nature if bureaucracies is that they are self perpetuating and that they naturally grow to the point of being unmanageable. And how this relates is that our government has taken on so much that it's only response to anything is to throw more money at it. And we, as citizens, have grown to expect the government to be able to do everything and that governmental solutions are based in passing laws.
We have laws for everything, and what we don't have laws for, we have regulations for. We may as well be the Soviet Union. Their unwieldy bureaucracy helped the west immensely in giving them a nudge over the cliff.
Posted by: Semper In Stercus at October 02, 2015 11:24 AM (BZAd3)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 02, 2015 11:24 AM (NeFrd)
We will. And unfortunately, despite you concerns having no basis in fact or reason, your vote counts as much as mine.
There's democracy for ya.
Posted by: Grump928(c) notes at October 02, 2015 11:24 AM (evdj2)
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Posted by: Tickled Pink
OK, we're on it.
Posted by: The Three Stooges at October 02, 2015 11:25 AM (c7vUv)
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at October 02, 2015 11:25 AM (Z9mio)
Posted by: Mortimer at October 02, 2015 11:25 AM (0dcbp)
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 11:22 AM (zOTsN)
****
And yet courts (read => judges) readily acknowledge that they defer to the mental health professionals' assessments.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 02, 2015 11:26 AM (NeFrd)
"just one more law"
Oregon had the laws you are asking for...
your arguments are specious.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 02, 2015 11:26 AM (g8Hfr)
Except that never happens.
I would bet there's FAR less robberies at gun transactions in parking lots than at convenience stores.
Posted by: Coolio at October 02, 2015 11:27 AM (ugaUI)
Bad font. (There should be a law, amirite?)
Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken at October 02, 2015 11:27 AM (vn2q2)
the killer was a fan of Clock Boy, and of Lest Flanagan (the guy who killed the reporter and the camera man on live TV)
the killer aspired to be infamous
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 11:27 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 02, 2015 11:27 AM (Dsvnk)
Posted by: Grump928(c) notes at October 02, 2015 11:27 AM (evdj2)
Now tell me again how laws stop people from doing bad shit.....
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 02, 2015 11:27 AM (0LHZx)
Part of my frustration is my town is turning into the small-town version of a sanctuary city. We did such a good job of taking in the illegal Mexicans, we are now tapped to take in illegal Haitians. There have been break-ins, stabbings, muggings....but no one does a gosh dang thing. No one.
The funny thing is, a lot of these people work elsewhere, in other cities. These other cities are happy to let these folks work there, but not live there. So, where do they live? Home sweet home.
These Haitians were recruited by a temp agency that (surprise, surprise) lost their business license some time ago. The temp agency "verifies" these people then passes them on to big businesses who can then pass the buck back to the temp agency if they were ever caught.
I am just....frustrated.
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 11:27 AM (RhhYt)
I'm willing to bet "yes."
FPS games are not the problem...
Generation Tippy Cup having the state hammer narcissistic personality disorder into them as baseline operating procedure is.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 02, 2015 11:27 AM (g8Hfr)
The problem with Kate's Law is similar to the problem people have been talking to you about with gun laws.
If the underlying immigration laws were actually enforced there would be no need for Kate's Law. Further, it calls for mandatory jail terms for illegals caught re-entering the US. That mean we will be putting these people in our jails and we will be paying for them.
Just follow the damn laws on the books and we won't need to keep making new laws that 1) won't fix anything 2) will cost us more money and 3) will probably be ignored just like our current immigration laws are being ignored.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 02, 2015 11:28 AM (/tuJf)
http://reut.rs/1LXrShj
Well, I think even the GOP of OK is too RINO, but at least they are doing this.
Posted by: mindful webworker - Okie by birth and choice at October 02, 2015 11:28 AM (PF3Gg)
Posted by: Chupacabra at October 02, 2015 11:28 AM (XiVKO)
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 11:21 AM (RhhYt)
You don't need us to debate. You can debate yourself.
288 I just think it should be a little bit harder for people to buy their guns.
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 09:49 AM (RhhYt)
Then.
And, I am not trying to make it harder for anyone to purchase a gun.
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 10:33 AM (RhhYt)
Posted by: Arson Wells at October 02, 2015 10:36 AM (UnJ7w)
Don't try pulling any bullshit "I'm the victim and you're all being mean and piling on" after crap like this.
Posted by: buzzion at October 02, 2015 11:28 AM (zt+N6)
a) a gun sow
vs.
b) gun free zones like schools, theaters, etc
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 02, 2015 11:29 AM (0LHZx)
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 11:29 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Grump928(c) notes at October 02, 2015 11:29 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at October 02, 2015 11:29 AM (VAsIq)
Well put...
we have devolved to the point the electorate wants the lethally backedf power of law to enforce "longings"
we live in an insane asylum.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 02, 2015 11:29 AM (g8Hfr)
Not silly, just misplaced.
We'll probably have to agree to disagree on things. But, I wish we could all have debate in here, and disagree on
You haven't been here very long, have you? This happens daily (and nightly!).
things without it becoming name calling or piling on.
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 11:21 AM (RhhYt)
You can put that victim back away, now.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at October 02, 2015 11:29 AM (7rAXc)
474 >>Listen, I have no suggestions or solutions. That is for people much smarter than me.
.
Posted by: Tickled Pink
My full name is "j. suggestions and solutions west", but I had to shorten it for business purposes.
Posted by: jwest at October 02, 2015 11:30 AM (Zs4uk)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 02, 2015 11:30 AM (Dsvnk)
I'm going to go with "not never." But, yes, in general these things work because (ironically) to be in the black market business you have to have (and maintain) a reputation for honesty. Also brutal revenge.
HOWEVER, some idiot suburban douche trying to buy a gun on the black market? I'm guessing they get fleeced all the time.
It would be asinine to pretend that there weren't bad actors at pawn shops or even the occasional tattoo parlor. I'm just not sure what they have to do with anything, given that their activities are already illegal.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 11:30 AM (kff5f)
Posted by: donna at October 02, 2015 11:30 AM (hUdMz)
If you think this Administration sees jihadis as the problem, you haven't been paying attention.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 02, 2015 11:30 AM (ham8J)
sure if I posted on facebook that I was looking to buy a gun I would get
offers from people I actually know, that involve nothing more than
transferring cash.
Posted by: Lea at October 02, 2015 11:12 AM (lIU4e)
Yup. And some of them will be from the state police and the local ATF office
Oh and Phoenixgirl, I wasn't saying that employers should be treated like people who commit crimes with guns, I was pointing out the disparity of treatment.
Almost if the goal is maximum use of force for minimum resolution of the problem to justify further use of force. But then I am a low, distrustful type.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 02, 2015 11:30 AM (3pRHP)
What part of 'shall not be infringed' do they not understand? Who is not a citizen entitled to constitutional protection? Felons on parole are the only ones I can think of.
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at October 02, 2015 11:31 AM (NB7me)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at October 02, 2015 11:31 AM (7rAXc)
I am just....frustrated.
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 11:27 AM (RhhYt)
===================================
Some of your frustration might be alleviated if you purchased a gun and learned to use it for your own protection. If you can get it for $10, then that's a win-win.
Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at October 02, 2015 11:31 AM (dFi94)
Posted by: Sven S Blade
If it's anything like Arkham, you're only here because you want to be. Seriously, people walk out of here all the time.
Posted by: Batman at October 02, 2015 11:31 AM (VAsIq)
You have to know somebody that knows somebody.
Posted by: Grump928(c) notes at October 02, 2015 11:31 AM (evdj2)
There's democracy for ya.
Posted by: Grump928(c) notes at October 02, 2015 11:24 AM (evdj2)
Well, yes.
But there is a lot of talking past one another here. There are people here telling Tickled Pink that "we just need to enforce the laws we have!" and, umm, I am making an assumption here, she (?) is describing a situation that doesn't have laws governing it.
So if you are going to say "your concern is irrational" you have to have a non-irrational response. "There should be no laws about firearms altogether!" if impractical is at least internally consistent.
Posted by: blaster at October 02, 2015 11:31 AM (2Ocf1)
Posted by: jwest at October 02, 2015 11:30 AM (Zs4uk)
I can see how that would make for a rather large business card, and could get inconvenient.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 11:31 AM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 02, 2015 11:31 AM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: Grump928(c) notes at October 02, 2015 11:31 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 11:31 AM (zOTsN)
A self described control freak wants more gun laws to punish the law abiding in essence. Why?Because someone MIGHT be unstable or become unstable.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at October 02, 2015 11:31 AM (uhftQ)
Posted by: Yo! at October 02, 2015 11:32 AM (GwIKd)
Posted by: blaster at October 02, 2015 11:31 AM (2Ocf1)
blaster, there are dozens of laws regarding the selling and transfer of firearms on the state and federal levels.
And yes, I agree. There should be no laws infringing on the peoples rights to keep and bear arms. Full stop.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 11:32 AM (AkOaV)
Quite. Obama will utter narry a peep on the fact an evangelical atheist engaged in domestic terrorism yesterday...
I'll bet money on it....that's why he led with "no matter what they say their motive is."
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 02, 2015 11:32 AM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: blaster at October 02, 2015 11:32 AM (2Ocf1)
Posted by: Lenny at October 02, 2015 11:32 AM (Dsvnk)
I think Le Piss has been turning up here as Begonia recently.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 02, 2015 11:33 AM (ham8J)
I am just....frustrated.
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 11:27 AM (RhhYt)
===================================
Some of your frustration might be alleviated if you purchased a gun and learned to use it for your own protection. If you can get it for $10, then that's a win-win.
Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at October 02, 2015 11:31 AM (dFi94)
boys there is your winner. Grammie come on up and pick up your Major Award
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 11:33 AM (zOTsN)
Me too...
Posted by: donna at October 02, 2015 11:33 AM (hUdMz)
Posted by: here we go again at October 02, 2015 11:33 AM (0z/89)
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 02, 2015 11:33 AM (E5UB0)
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 11:29 AM (zOTsN)
*****
Sure. But you are still left with the dilemma of trying to predict human behavior. Might as well consult a phrenologist and measure the bumps on the person's cranium.
And after every shooting incident that splashes on the national news I read calls on this site for "We should just lock up the crazies because it's so obvious who the crazies are!!!"
It's all just sort of...well...crazy.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 02, 2015 11:33 AM (NeFrd)
In fairness Bats, I stay because the tapioca pudding is good and frankly who doesn't need time to work on their memoirs?
//J Napier esq
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 02, 2015 11:34 AM (g8Hfr)
They think the govt has a magic wand that can make all problems disappear if we just regulate enough.
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 02, 2015 11:34 AM (0LHZx)
When will Obama be held answer for the actions of a killer that he helped create through is anti-Christian rhetoric?
Posted by: Not Holding My Breath at October 02, 2015 11:34 AM (YqcVw)
Posted by: Mainah at October 02, 2015 11:34 AM (659DL)
I always love it when he tells me how I'm too simple to understand his exalted intellect.
Posted by: Semper In Stercus at October 02, 2015 11:34 AM (BZAd3)
Posted by: Batman at October 02, 2015 11:34 AM (VAsIq)
Posted by: donna at October 02, 2015 11:34 AM (hUdMz)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 02, 2015 11:35 AM (fWAjv)
My, if only there were a way for you legally to protect your property and family from illegal invaders. Given their violence, this would have to be something easy to use which would have the power to stop them in their tracks. Something relatively light and easy to control would be fantastic. Also, you would want it to work at a distance, since if they get close to you their proclivity toward violence would likely make them more dangerous.
My. If only there were such an invention readily available...
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 11:35 AM (kff5f)
Who's making the book on when he actual shows? Put me down for 3:47.
Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken at October 02, 2015 11:35 AM (vn2q2)
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at October 02, 2015 11:36 AM (Z9mio)
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 02, 2015 11:34 AM (0LHZx)
And if they try and the regs don't work, it's the fault of the people who wrote the regs, so THIS time it'll work because it's new people. Wash. Rinse. Repeat. Never learn.
Posted by: Mainah at October 02, 2015 11:36 AM (659DL)
add in the Soviet example of "if you disagree with my worker's paradise you are obviously mentally ill comrade" and we're off to the races....
never forget 20 federally funded AGW zealots called for the use of RICO against their opponents this month...
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 02, 2015 11:36 AM (g8Hfr)
..and the best and brightest are doing their damnedest to pack more in.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at October 02, 2015 11:36 AM (7rAXc)
boys there is your winner. Grammie come on up and pick up your Major Award
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 11:33 AM (zOTsN)
Hopefully its from Italy.
Posted by: buzzion at October 02, 2015 11:36 AM (zt+N6)
Posted by: Yo! at October 02, 2015 11:36 AM (GwIKd)
Posted by: Jaimo at October 02, 2015 11:36 AM (9U1OG)
Guten tag, meine freunde! Say, do you have a spare room at your pad? A few buddies of mine are in town and they need a place to crash.
It'll only be for a short time. Swearsies!
Posted by: Angela Merkel at October 02, 2015 11:37 AM (E5UB0)
Posted by: Batman at October 02, 2015 11:34 AM (VAsIq)
Ahem...
http://tinyurl.com/2dspx2g
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 02, 2015 11:37 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 11:37 AM (zOTsN)
Am I reading your position correctly?
Posted by: Chupacabra at October 02, 2015 11:37 AM (XiVKO)
And, my frustration has nothing to do with fear, so getting a gun won't fix it.
It just has to do with laws not being followed or enforced. They know they're here illegally. They KNOW it. And, they look the other way.
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 11:37 AM (RhhYt)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 02, 2015 11:37 AM (Dsvnk)
One of my favorite is outlets for kitchen islands.
Two neighboring states;
in CT, its against code to install an outlet on a kitchen island under the counter top. It either has to be built in to the top of the counter, or go fuckyourself, you get no outlets on your island.
in MA, you CANNOT install an outlet on top of the countertop, and if you have an island you MUST install an outlet underneath it.
Why?
Well, in CT the argument is "we dont want a cord dangling down from a toaster thats on an island, where a kid could find the cord, pull it, and smash themselves in the head with a toaster."
in MA, its "we don't want some asshole running an extension cord across the kitchen, tripping over it, and pulling something over on the floor, or worse yet in to the sink and possibly getting someone electrocuted."
That right there folks is government for you.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 11:38 AM (AkOaV)
Posted by: AllenG
Flashbang, smoke grenade, and batarangs.
Posted by: Batman at October 02, 2015 11:38 AM (VAsIq)
Step 1. Create a "common sense bipartisan" law that says, no insane people can own a gun
Step 2. Determine that anyone who wants to own a gun is insane
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 02, 2015 11:38 AM (0LHZx)
Predictably, just as we were wrapping up this silly argument, Fox News paid a couple of professional emoters to start it all over again. Exact. Same. Point.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 02, 2015 11:38 AM (xq1UY)
This is completely NSFW. It's a picture of boobies.
The caption says (krautish) guess how old these boobies are and whom they belong to. Then down below it shows/tells you.
http://www.bild.de/unterhaltung/leute/ratestar/wem-gehoeren-diese-brueste-42866026.bild.html
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Team Lefty and Scamp at October 02, 2015 11:38 AM (JtwS4)
Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at October 02, 2015 11:38 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Yo! at October 02, 2015 11:39 AM (GwIKd)
Posted by: donna at October 02, 2015 11:39 AM (hUdMz)
So what makes you think that passing more laws is the solution?
Posted by: JackStraw at October 02, 2015 11:39 AM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 02, 2015 11:39 AM (Dsvnk)
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 11:37 AM (RhhYt)
Huh.
Well that's a pretty... telling way... to put things, don't you think?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 11:39 AM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Batman at October 02, 2015 11:40 AM (VAsIq)
Posted by: Mainah at October 02, 2015 11:34 AM (659DL)
Brought to you by Hitachi
http://tinyurl.com/qfnyjj2
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 02, 2015 11:40 AM (fWAjv)
Then you're not paying attention.
The situation as described is "buying a gun from a guy in a van in the Shell station parking lot."
As has been pointed out - it is illegal for that person to sell you a gun if they know, or should know, that the gun is stolen or that you are not legally allowed to own a gun. Further, if you are not legally allowed to own a gun, it is already illegal for you to attempt to purchase one.
The only law that would make this illegal outside of that is to prevent the personal transfer of weapons (read: private property) completely illegal without an FFL (which it already is if you go across state lines).
Even then, it's not going to stop someone who was already going to purchase a gun illegally. The fact that they're breaking one more law is not going to stop them.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 11:40 AM (kff5f)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 02, 2015 11:37 AM (Dsvnk)
=======================
Every been to a church rummage sale? Right off the bat you can tell there's no such thing as organized religion.
Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at October 02, 2015 11:40 AM (dFi94)
"It just has to do with laws not being followed or enforced. They know they're here illegally. They KNOW it. And, they look the other way."
On that front, pretty much everyone here agrees. But the way to fix that is not to create more laws. If the existing ones aren't enforced, why will the new ones?
Posted by: joe at October 02, 2015 11:40 AM (34w2E)
never forget 20 federally funded AGW zealots called for the use of RICO against their opponents this month...
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 02, 2015 11:36 AM (g8Hfr)
I agree. Thats why I said parents of adult children they fear are a danger to themselves or others should be able to use a streamlined process for involuntary commitment and their testimony in court should have the most weight
no De Sousa, no gulag
just the parents of deranged adut children being believed
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 11:40 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: donna at October 02, 2015 11:40 AM (hUdMz)
Our immigration laws clearly aren't going to be enforced. They just....aren't.
So, hey, if we can come up with a law that locks up the worst of the worst, I am all for it.
Again, just because a law isn't enforced doesn't mean it shouldn't exist.
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 11:40 AM (RhhYt)
Posted by: Pickled Tinky Wink at October 02, 2015 11:40 AM (E5UB0)
Posted by: Kindltot at October 02, 2015 11:41 AM (3pRHP)
And, my frustration has nothing to do with fear, so getting a gun won't fix it.
It just has to do with laws not being followed or enforced. They know they're here illegally. They KNOW it. And, they look the other way.
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 11:37 AM (RhhYt)
And you somehow think that these other laws that make it harder but not harder to purchase firearms that you want created but you don't actually have any ideas on what should be done will prevent these people from purchasing these guns because they will be committing an additional illegal act to the illegal acts they are already committing.
Posted by: buzzion at October 02, 2015 11:41 AM (zt+N6)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 02, 2015 11:41 AM (LUgeY)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at October 02, 2015 11:41 AM (VAsIq)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 02, 2015 11:41 AM (NeFrd)
Half the artists whose work we see here. They sure paint a lot in N.Dakota.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 02, 2015 11:42 AM (xq1UY)
Yes, I know. Of course there are.
But that is my point. If you (mabe not you personally, but someone on the pro-gun side) makes the argument that "we do not need new laws all we need to do is enforce the existing laws!" first of all that cedes the ground on whether there should be any laws (right?) and second of all if you are saying that the existing laws, if enforced, would perform the task you want which cedes the ground that laws could work, and third someone can see with their very own eyes situations where the laws, as they exist, enforced, would not solve the problem.
If you want to tell someone that they are not opining from reason, you need to be in a rational position yourself.
Someone above said "well buying from armslist is different" to which I say in what way? It is a perfectly legal transaction, and I am not arguing that it shouldn't be, but if someone makes the point that "we already have background checks" they have to be able to explain why this is different.
Posted by: blaster at October 02, 2015 11:42 AM (2Ocf1)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 02, 2015 11:42 AM (Dsvnk)
Snipers snipers everywhere, but not a roun
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 02, 2015 11:43 AM (UBLhq)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at October 02, 2015 11:43 AM (XUKZU)
It just has to do with laws not being followed or enforced. They know they're here illegally. They KNOW it. And, they look the other way.
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 11:37 AM (RhhYt)
sort of like criminals who flout the myriad of gun laws
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 11:43 AM (zOTsN)
See, I was reading this book, and it got interesting enough to keep me reading; interesting scenario, interesting characters, and it was building up to a nice climax.
And then . . .
[to be continued]
Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at October 02, 2015 11:43 AM (DVoQe)
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 11:37 AM (RhhYt)
Which is why that '59 Caddy known as the US of A, is up to its fins in the cesspool.
Slowly sinking.
My original supposition.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at October 02, 2015 11:43 AM (7rAXc)
purchased a gun and learned to use it for your own protection. If you
can get it for $10, then that's a win-win.
Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets
God bless you, dear lady!
Posted by: Mortimer at October 02, 2015 11:43 AM (0dcbp)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 02, 2015 11:43 AM (LUgeY)
Posted by: Turd Ferguson
+1
I like that, I'll have to use it
Posted by: Coolio at October 02, 2015 11:44 AM (ugaUI)
****
Well, it does take a modicum of organization to keep all that water in the tank.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 02, 2015 11:44 AM (NeFrd)
Still makes me laugh.
http://tinyurl.com/q7r5wcs
A group of performance artists and activists has come up with a bold plan to rid the world of the scourge of Heckler & Koch weapons - to seal the factory inside a concrete sarcophagus. Just as a the damaged nuclear reactor at Chernobyl was encased in concrete to protect the world from radioactive emissions, so the Zentrum für Politische Schönheit (Centre for Political Beauty) intends to seal off Heckler & Koch's main factory in Germany in order to prevent its harmful products from escaping and causing further loss of life.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 02, 2015 11:44 AM (fWAjv)
The Democratic presidential front-runner is poised to appear on the long-running NBC sketch series during its season premiere this weekend, according to The New York Times.
Clinton's campaign and NBC would not confirm the under-wraps cameo to the paper.
The former secretary of State will reportedly appear in the "cold opening" sketch alongside cast member Kate McKinnon, who portrays Clinton on the show.
Posted by: John Belushi at October 02, 2015 11:44 AM (e8kgV)
If it's not fear, then what is it? You think laws should be enforced just because they're laws? That all laws are equally just? If it were against the law to bake your own cookies, should that law be enforced?
Or do you think *these* laws should be enforced because in not enforcing them, the authorities are allowing the danger to law abiding citizens to increase- either economic danger or physical?
Is that not "fear?"
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 11:44 AM (kff5f)
Posted by: pep at October 02, 2015 11:44 AM (LAe3v)
Just an honest poster, seems to me.
Not that I agree. I just remember having to wait until I was 12 to roam around in Wisconsin with my very own gun.
That sucked.
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at October 02, 2015 11:44 AM (hk5Mp)
Posted by: Mortimer at October 02, 2015 11:44 AM (0dcbp)
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 11:08 AM (RhhYt)
If you're truly a control freak and wish to control your environment (and not control other people by destroying their freedoms),
then you should buy a gun, take shooting lessons, and get a concealed carry license.
Then, for sure, if anyone in your vicinity starts shooting you have the means to end the problem, defend yourself and your family, and/or run away and hide.
See?
More control in a realistic manner.
Not some pie in the sky- if only bad people wouldn't do bad stuff that might affect me- wish casting.
Posted by: naturalfake at October 02, 2015 11:44 AM (KUa85)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 02, 2015 11:44 AM (NeFrd)
Even if you're not in a gun-free zone? Huh.
Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken at October 02, 2015 11:46 AM (vn2q2)
You've seen this?
http://www.bookwormroom.com/2015/09/14/
found-it-on-facebook-dont-ban-guns-ban-democrats/
Posted by: Lizzy at October 02, 2015 11:47 AM (NOIQH)
Cocaine possession is illegal (I'm assuming, here.)
That doesn't mean we shouldn't make an additional law outlawing selling of cocaine.
This isn't comparable to guns or illegal immigration.
My point is, someone could say, "There is no need to make selling cocaine illegal; possession is already illegal."
Just because there is already one law on the books regarding illegal immigration doesn't mean we can't put even better laws on the books. It only multiplies the ways we convict these people.
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 11:47 AM (RhhYt)
Posted by: Mortimer at October 02, 2015 11:47 AM (0dcbp)
So, hey, if we can come up with a law that locks up the worst of the worst, I am all for it.
So... our laws aren't going to be enforced, so we should have more laws.
Seriously, that's exactly what you just said. If the government is not going to enforce the current laws, why would you think they would enforce new ones?
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 11:47 AM (kff5f)
Posted by: Buffalbob at October 02, 2015 11:47 AM (hdIsN)
It's only fair.
Posted by: Mortimer
We're working on that, dear.
Posted by: College at October 02, 2015 11:47 AM (VAsIq)
Is everyone abandoning SCOAMT?
Posted by: Carol at October 02, 2015 11:47 AM (sj3Ax)
Awesome!
If there's one thing that I cannot get enough of-
it's that hearty, good natured Hillary! Clinton humor.
Oh, and that laugh! You gotta love that laugh!
Posted by: naturalfake at October 02, 2015 11:48 AM (KUa85)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 02, 2015 11:42 AM (Dsvnk)
Universe solved!
Turn out the lights on the way out.
.
.
The leftover beer is mine, dibs damnit.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at October 02, 2015 11:48 AM (7rAXc)
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 11:48 AM (zOTsN)
This should go well. Nobody will bring a ladder, shovel or a wheelbarrow, and even if they do, nobody will have the foggiest idea how to mix up concrete.
Posted by: pep at October 02, 2015 11:48 AM (LAe3v)
It was the Vatican spokesman who said this.
Old-school Presbyterians used to believe that the Pope of Rome was the anti-Christ. I'm starting to think they were right.
Posted by: OregonMuse at October 02, 2015 11:49 AM (XQnZ+)
Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken
Is that why Obama never mentions the killings in Chicago? They're legal murders, because they happen outside of the safe zone?
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at October 02, 2015 11:49 AM (VAsIq)
I'm not sure what your point is, so I'll lay mine out again. Maybe we're agreeing here, I'm not sure.
1) we should follow the Constitution -- which says "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." pretty straight forward.
B) The "common sense gun control" laws that the leftists and concern trolls keep talking about have all already been passed in many states, to a large degree on the federal level, and are being enforced.
III) Armslist is a page where someone from my state can buy a gun from me, but I take liability if they do something illegal with it and I knew or should have known they were prohibited from owning a gun. Thus, (and I don't have the stats on this, I admit this is just a guess) 50%+ of all sales on armslist DO go through an FFL just to confirm eligibility to buy the gun. And the majority of rest, the seller checks your in-state DL, your in-state carry permit (which means you passed a background check) and makes you fill out paperwork for a bill of sale.
So essentially the same thing as going to an FFL.
and
3i. I know of no big crime or big problem with these tiny tiny fractions of gun transactions that are legal, but don't go through an FFL. There does not seem to be an epidemic of there being any issues with this at all, and if you were to pass a law making it illegal to transfer ownership of private property without giving an FFL and the govt their cut, it would piss a lot of people off yet solve nothing.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 11:49 AM (AkOaV)
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At one point that would have been my ex wife and her family. No way do we want to go there...
Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs at October 02, 2015 11:49 AM (kXzR8)
Gun possession, on the other hand, is not.
I don't think you're going to make much progress on this argument.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 02, 2015 11:49 AM (/tuJf)
you have to have the political will to enforce them
more laws will never cure a lack of political will
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 11:50 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Tickled Pink
"These people?" Oh no you di'n't!
Posted by: #BLM at October 02, 2015 11:50 AM (VAsIq)
****
Well, it does take a modicum of organization to keep all that water in the tank.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 02, 2015 11:44 AM (NeFrd)
======================
Okay, true story. When I got baptized (dunked not sprinkled) it was back in
the day when churchy stuff was all, well, churchy. So they gave us
white robes to be baptized in. I think I was twelve at the time and had
hit puberty if you know what I mean. Do you think that the Baptists
coulda told a girl that getting dunked in a white gown and coming up out
of the water was going to, how should I put it, cause some issues??
Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at October 02, 2015 11:50 AM (dFi94)
"No Hillary, you don't say "they will never sock it to me"
Posted by: Kindltot at October 02, 2015 11:50 AM (3pRHP)
http://www.bookwormroom.com/2015/09/14/
found-it-on-facebook-dont-ban-guns-ban-democrats/
Posted by: Lizzy at October 02, 2015 11:47 AM (NOIQH)
I've shared that as far and wide as I could. Stunning, isn't it?
It shut my lib brother down in mid-NRA rant, yesterday.
Yes, It was fun.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at October 02, 2015 11:50 AM (7rAXc)
Reminds me of when i installed a hot water heater for a neighbor, it was in a small closet in the garage, a closet that had no ceiling and was open to the attic, but when the inspector came he told my neighbors he couldn't pass it until an aluminum pipe vent was installed to vent into the attic, my neighbors pointed out that there was no ceiling in the hot water closet so it already vented into the attic, inspector said rules were rules. So i had to go get a cheap aluminum pipe, staple it to the side of the closet, and the inspector finally passed it.
Posted by: All Teh Meh at October 02, 2015 11:51 AM (VviqM)
you have to have the political will to enforce them
more laws will never cure a lack of political will
Posted by: ThunderB
I'll make a law to increase political will.
Posted by: Pen and Phone at October 02, 2015 11:51 AM (VAsIq)
re: lefties encasing HK in a concrete sarcophagus:
This should
go well. Nobody will bring a ladder, shovel or a wheelbarrow, and even
if they do, nobody will have the foggiest idea how to mix up concrete.
The giant papier-mache heads, OTOH, will be outstanding.
Posted by: pep at October 02, 2015 11:51 AM (LAe3v)
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You can't trust the individual citizen's self control. We need a way to enforce this by rendering it impossible.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 02, 2015 11:51 AM (E5UB0)
the day when churchy stuff was all, well, churchy. So they gave us
white robes to be baptized in. I think I was twelve at the time and had
hit puberty if you know what I mean. Do you think that the Baptists
coulda told a girl that getting dunked in a white gown and coming up out
of the water was going to, how should I put it, cause some issues??
Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at October 02, 2015 11:50 AM (dFi94)
Hot
Posted by: Roman Polanski at October 02, 2015 11:51 AM (zt+N6)
That doesn't mean we shouldn't make an additional law outlawing selling of cocaine.
Don't you have to have it in your possession in order to sell it?
What's never said nor, it seems, clearly understood these days is that under our form of government, we are free to engage in any activity unless there is a law that prohibits that activity.
Thus, each new law, rule or regulation that's enacted reduces our freedom. Having lawmakers busy making laws eventually makes us all subjects, always checking to see what the government will allow us to do, not citizens.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 02, 2015 11:51 AM (LUgeY)
There's democracy for ya.
Posted by: Grump928(c) notes at October 02, 2015 11:24 AM (evdj2)
From when The Simpsons was actually funny:
MR. BURNS: Smithers, these slack-jawed imbeciles cost me the election. And yet, if I were to have them killed, I'd be the one to go to jail!
And:
MAYOR QUIMBY: Demand? Who are you to demand anything? You're just a bunch of low-income nobodies!
AIDE (whispering): Election in November. Election in November?
QUIMBY: What, again? This stupid country!
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 02, 2015 11:51 AM (zF6Iw)
coulda told a girl that getting dunked in a white gown and coming up out
of the water was going to, how should I put it, cause some issues??
Shrinkage? No wait, that can't right. It's something else, isn't it?
Posted by: JackStraw at October 02, 2015 11:51 AM (/tuJf)
I just can't see any new gun laws making a difference with crazy people doing a mass shooting. I don't see any part of that where law enforcement was ignoring the law.
Illegal immigration is most certainly a result of authorities not doing their job.
Posted by: Coolio at October 02, 2015 11:52 AM (ugaUI)
*****
Just because we have PPACA doesn't mean we can't make it even better by passing a single payer plan.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 02, 2015 11:52 AM (NeFrd)
Final September Totals for Chicago
Shot and Killed: 58
Shot and Wounded: 303
Total Shot: 361
Total Homicides: 61
Chicago. Home of 'better laws'.
Posted by: Mortimer at October 02, 2015 11:52 AM (0dcbp)
Someone just disproved his own point, with the magic of Rhetoric!
Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 02, 2015 11:52 AM (xq1UY)
Wait. I'm not the president. I guess I'll walk the dog.
Later.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 02, 2015 11:52 AM (kKHcp)
*head desk*
And when people still buy (and, yes, sell) cocaine anyway, what do you do? Do you add more laws making cocaine even more illegal?
Once more, slowly: it is already illegal to sell a gun to someone you know, or should know, is not legally allowed to own a gun. That law exists today. It is, I believe, a Federal Law, and many states make it even more strict than that. Oregon (as the case in point) already prohibits the private sale of firearms without the use of an FFL (well - without background check, I guess, but that means an FFL).
So the only next step is to make all private sales illegal, and require full registry. And that is only one quite small step (see: Australia) from full confiscation. And f*ck that in particular.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 11:52 AM (kff5f)
http://www.bookwormroom.com/2015/10/01/
five-reasons-that-the-benefits-that-flow-from-guns-far-outweigh-the-risks-inherent-in-guns/
Posted by: Lizzy at October 02, 2015 11:53 AM (NOIQH)
laws are only words on paper and do exactly NOTHING
you have to have the political will to enforce them
more laws will never cure a lack of political wil
What? Uh-oh.
Posted by: Zombie Neville Chamberlain at October 02, 2015 11:53 AM (LAe3v)
Posted by: pep at October 02, 2015 11:48 AM (LAe3v)
Their plan was to airdrop it from a helicopter.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 02, 2015 11:53 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: donna at October 02, 2015 11:53 AM (hUdMz)
coulda told a girl that getting dunked in a white gown and coming up out
of the water was going to, how should I put it, cause some issues??
Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at October 02, 2015 11:50 AM (dFi94)
They didn't let you wear anything underneath???
Posted by: OregonMuse at October 02, 2015 11:53 AM (XQnZ+)
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 11:53 AM (zOTsN)
You should see in that same comment, I wasn't comparing it to gun control.
I was just saying that just because there is one law on the books doesn't mean there can't be more laws on the books.
To Allen- who cares if there is one or two or a million laws regarding illegal aliens in this country. It's not infringing on anyone's rights. I saw pass as many laws as it takes to get rid of them.
Heck, if anyone wants to put forth a "Buy a Big Mac at the drive thru while illegal and get deported" bill, tell me where I sign.
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 11:53 AM (RhhYt)
coughMaxineWaterscough
coughWasserman-Schulzcough
coughcongressingeneralcough
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 02, 2015 11:53 AM (NeFrd)
That's not exactly a great analogy. The reason why we have different laws for selling and for possession of illegal substances is because we as a society decided that the two crimes carry different punishments.
Why do you care about assigning a harsher punishment than deportation? What would that harsher punishment even look like?
Put another way, we assign different laws for possession and selling because we've decided that we want to handle these crimes differently. The scenario we're discussing doesn't require a different punishment. The existing punishment would work fine for everyone (wouldn't it?).
Posted by: joe at October 02, 2015 11:54 AM (34w2E)
Posted by: blaster at October 02, 2015 11:54 AM (2Ocf1)
Posted by: JackStraw at October 02, 2015 11:51 AM (/tuJf)
=======================
Hence the lack of pictures in the family photo album.
Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at October 02, 2015 11:54 AM (dFi94)
Posted by: donna at October 02, 2015 11:55 AM (hUdMz)
Posted by: the Left at October 02, 2015 11:55 AM (VAsIq)
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 11:47 AM (RhhYt)
Your problem is not guns. Your problem is shovels.
And I hate to tell you, but someone needs to take yours away from you.
Posted by: Semper In Stercus at October 02, 2015 11:55 AM (BZAd3)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 02, 2015 11:55 AM (LUgeY)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 02, 2015 11:56 AM (BVZNi)
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Deport them...to Afghanistan!
Posted by: Turd Ferguson at October 02, 2015 11:56 AM (VAsIq)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 02, 2015 11:56 AM (FsuaD)
>>Do you think that the Baptists
coulda told a girl that getting dunked in a white gown and coming up out
of the water was going to, how should I put it, cause some issues??
Shrinkage? No wait, that can't right. It's something else, isn't it?
Posted by: JackStraw
I believe it has something to do with changes in the index of refraction between two media.
Posted by: pep at October 02, 2015 11:56 AM (LAe3v)
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 11:57 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: OregonMuse at October 02, 2015 11:53 AM (XQnZ+)
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I thought they meant wear underwear.
There should be more. Much more.
Fortunately at the church I attend now, people mostly get baptized in their Packers jerseys.
Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at October 02, 2015 11:57 AM (dFi94)
found-it-on-facebook-dont-ban-guns-ban-democrats/
That link appears to be dead.
Or, scrubbed.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at October 02, 2015 11:57 AM (7rAXc)
Posted by: andycanuck at October 02, 2015 11:57 AM (gmaUh)
WSJ identifies killer only as Mr. Mercer.
I'm sure everyone else knows but I woke up too early & haven't had any news on.
Posted by: Carol at October 02, 2015 11:57 AM (sj3Ax)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 02, 2015 11:57 AM (Dsvnk)
lil grammie = dear
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 11:57 AM (zOTsN)
FTFY
Posted by: buzzion at October 02, 2015 11:58 AM (zt+N6)
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at October 02, 2015 11:58 AM (+lSVr)
Yup...
of course this is the media in its charming way protecting their allies...
Kid hyphenated his parents' surnames....
a lot like the Communi-tay
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 02, 2015 11:58 AM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: Fritz at October 02, 2015 11:58 AM (UzPAd)
You can't. There is no perfect law, no perfect restriction that will prevent human nature.
Or worse, don't create extra charges for things like killing with "hate" in your heart, or banish "hate triggers", as if this has any bearing on the next nutso's plans.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 02, 2015 11:59 AM (NOIQH)
There should be more. Much more.
Fortunately at the church I attend now, people mostly get baptized in their Packers jerseys.
Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at October 02, 2015 11:57 AM (dFi94)
I had a friend who talked once about a discussion on the merits of band-aides.
I was never clear as to what size or shape...
Posted by: Kindltot at October 02, 2015 11:59 AM (3pRHP)
Posted by: Roy at October 02, 2015 11:59 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA
Helo. But yeah, that should go much more smoothly, them being all familiar with heavy machinery and all.
One question, though: what about the resultant global warming?
Posted by: pep at October 02, 2015 11:59 AM (LAe3v)
Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken at October 02, 2015 11:59 AM (vn2q2)
But, the Haitians just about put me over the edge. (Or maybe I'm already there.)
I liked being able to walk down Main Street without being nervous. I liked not feeling like I had to lock my car with me inside the car while sitting in a parking lot.
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 11:59 AM (RhhYt)
Quite.
Since our political leadership pretends that "the newer better Americans" are a stabilizing force I am certain Somalia would be solved.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 02, 2015 11:59 AM (g8Hfr)
From Newsbusters:
http://tinyurl.com/qb6hkyo
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 02, 2015 11:59 AM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Mortimer at October 02, 2015 11:59 AM (0dcbp)
I figured that out all by myself and I'm ignoring Bossy McBosserson who said ixnay on the appingfay.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Team Lefty and Scamp at October 02, 2015 11:59 AM (JtwS4)
a camera crew was making an ad for the City of Houston
how great it is
how safe it is
they were filming by a "Welcome to Houston" sign on the side of the freeway, mid morning
guy stops his car to ask what they are doing
they excitedly tell him
he says cool and wallks back to his car
to get his gun, he walks back and robs them of all thier gear
they did film his face however
Welcome to Houston
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 12:00 PM (zOTsN)
****
In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost of Vince Lombardi
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 02, 2015 12:00 PM (NeFrd)
Posted by: Tickled Pink
Right, and you've stumbled upon what is the real crux of the argument here.
Passing more gun laws will not dissuade wanna be murderers from getting guns illegally.
What it will do is give the prosecutors and police MORE WAYS TO CONVICT PEOPLE after the fact.
So for a spree killer who is looking at a dozen counts of first degree murder -- he's not too worried about catching a gun charge.
For the otherwise law abiding citizen whose grandfather left him a gun and he didn't think to go to an FFL to get a background check before he crossed state lines with it -- well, you're just advocating for giving the prosecutors another means in which to convict him.
And of course, all of this is after the fact.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 12:01 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Lizzy at October 02, 2015 12:01 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Earl Butz at October 02, 2015 12:01 PM (e8kgV)
Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein, Brattleboro Women's Health Clinic at October 02, 2015 12:01 PM (ucB75)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 02, 2015 12:00 PM (NeFrd)
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Posted by: grammie winger, waiting for the trumpets at October 02, 2015 12:02 PM (dFi94)
I'll take "questions unasked by the media" for a 1000 Alex...
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 02, 2015 12:02 PM (g8Hfr)
The laws aren't the problem, the problem is the govt that's supposed to enforce them, pols are bought off to allow cheap labor to come through, that will always be the case regardless of who's elected, they'll pass as many laws as you want and get rich taking money from corporate America to ignore them.
Posted by: All Teh Meh at October 02, 2015 12:02 PM (VviqM)
Posted by: Jake Blues at October 02, 2015 12:02 PM (yGXng)
20 liters?
Whats that in American?
I have a 1/2 barrel keg in my kegerator right now. I think thats significantly more than 20 liters, but I don't speak European.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 12:03 PM (AkOaV)
A local race monger was shoved and had her purse stolen...while standing on her front porch...by two yutes.
She's running for re-election to city council.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 02, 2015 12:03 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 02, 2015 12:03 PM (Dsvnk)
Yeah, the cutoff point is 19 in Canada. (Or 37 children.)
Posted by: andycanuck at October 02, 2015 12:03 PM (gmaUh)
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 12:03 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 11:37 AM (RhhYt)
I liked being able to walk down Main Street without being nervous. I liked not feeling like I had to lock my car with me inside the car while sitting in a parking lot.
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 11:59 AM (RhhYt)
Sure sounds like fear to me.
Posted by: buzzion at October 02, 2015 12:03 PM (zt+N6)
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Historical trivia: A icon of the Civil Wa battle of Antietam is Dunker church as shown in this picture:
http://tinyurl.com/njlkbnk
I'd always thought it was named after a Reverend Dunker or something but no; it was named after their practice of full immersion baptism.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at October 02, 2015 12:04 PM (XUKZU)
They have power?
Posted by: donna at October 02, 2015 12:04 PM (hUdMz)
*sigh*
What? Each one says, of the one before, "No, we really mean it?"
Passing. Laws. Does. No. Good.
Once more: Passing. Laws. Does. No. Good.
The issue is *NOT* more laws. The issue is enforcement. Having two million laws targeting illegal immigrants simply proves that you're never going to enforce any of them, because you would have stopped writing new ones at 10 or so if you were serious about enforcement.
For someone who claimed earlier to have no faith in government, you're showing a whole lot of faith in government.
See, I'm a "no faith in government" kind of guy, and I generally think there should be fewer laws of all varieties (yes, including laws regarding illegal immigration).
That way, when they're still not enforced, I haven't lost anything, and if they are miraculously enforced, I'm less likely to run afoul of them - what with my not doing things that would harm others and all.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 12:04 PM (kff5f)
The Obamaconomy.
Posted by: Mortimer at October 02, 2015 12:04 PM (0dcbp)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 12:03 PM (AkOaV)
That's too bad. I speak fluent Austrian.
Posted by: O'blahblah at October 02, 2015 12:05 PM (FsuaD)
Or, scrubbed.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at October 02, 2015 11:57 AM (7rAXc)
Worked for me.
Posted by: RickZ at October 02, 2015 12:05 PM (dcIVz)
Hum? So and angry young black guy with a grudge and attitide...like the last 2 shooting....G-D forbid anyone talks about that?
Fuckin hypocrites
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 02, 2015 12:05 PM (BVZNi)
Can you imagine if an unknowingly-pubescent girl, all clad in white for baptism, got first blood during that ceremony? Would make Carrie look like a prom flick.
Worst part: I'm sure this has happened.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 02, 2015 12:06 PM (xq1UY)
One of my favorite ahem "investments".
Girlfriend almost killed me when the 18 wheeler with a liftgate showed up to deliver it though.
That was 3-4 years ago though, she's seen the light since then.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 12:06 PM (AkOaV)
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I'm pretty sure it is one of those prenumbras.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at October 02, 2015 12:06 PM (XUKZU)
Wait. You said your frustration wasn't because of fear.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 12:07 PM (kff5f)
But, if they enforce the law 5% of time, I figure 5% of 20 illegal immigration laws is bound to be more than 5% of one illegal immigration law.
Just trying to increase my odds.
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 12:07 PM (RhhYt)
that is what makes up the bulk of gun crime stats
that is what they will not talk about
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 12:07 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Lauren at October 02, 2015 12:08 PM (ZJI/r)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at October 02, 2015 12:08 PM (0x/TW)
Seems they think He was a Republican.... Don't know where that info came from...
Posted by: donna at October 02, 2015 12:09 PM (hUdMz)
Posted by: notsothoreau at October 02, 2015 12:09 PM (5HBd1)
Posted by: Kindltot at October 02, 2015 12:09 PM (3pRHP)
That's not how this works.
That's not how any of this works.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 12:09 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at October 02, 2015 12:09 PM (iQIUe)
I personally don't have a problem with them shooting each other. Thins the herd.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 02, 2015 12:09 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 02, 2015 12:09 PM (Dsvnk)
If we're going to liken school zero tolerance laws to Islamaphobia, surely we can recognize the *overt* hostility to Christians by the Oregon shooter.
Enough of this "hostile to organized religion" - he didn't ask them if they were Jewish or Muslim.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 02, 2015 12:10 PM (NOIQH)
...and remember the TX "ten most wanted" list circulating the internet a few months ago?
Full of "white males" with descriptions like "Julio Gonzalez, El Salvadorian national with suspected affiliation with MS-13"?
The states and FBI bullshit their stats so much that no one really knows what's going on.
They just want to get these meme going that there are young white men out there killing tens of thousands of people a year with impunity and if only we gave the left A LITTLE MORE POWER we could "end the violence."
When in reality, it's a LOT more complicated than that. A lot more.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 12:10 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: ThunderB
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Ok, I can take a hint. You men are so insatiable!
http://preview.tinyurl.com/pexqeyp
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 02, 2015 12:10 PM (E5UB0)
And, I meant it.
While I am sitting here in my home, I am not afraid of it being broken into or anything. But, it still bothers the bejeezus out of me that the illegals are coming here.
And, I was equally frustrated when illegal immigration just meant financial negatives, before violence became a component.
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 12:10 PM (RhhYt)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 02, 2015 12:00 PM (NeFrd)
Reminds me of a line we used to sing to the tune of "American Pie" back in the days of the mighty Celtics: And the three men I admire most - Bird, McHale and Johnny Most. . .
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 02, 2015 12:10 PM (zF6Iw)
so its out there. Dont think the conservative thing will stick. Doesnt fit the meme
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 12:11 PM (zOTsN)
He and his ilk have set group against group, white against black, rich against poor, religion against religion, the Gov against religion, and on and on..
What the fuck did he think would happen? He and Holder just about called for a race war.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 02, 2015 12:11 PM (BVZNi)
Posted by: donna at October 02, 2015 12:09 PM (hUdMz)
apparently on one of the dating sites he was on he market "conservative" and "republican" under political views.
Who knows?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 12:12 PM (AkOaV)
so its out there. Dont think the conservative thing will stick. Doesnt fit the meme
Is so this story will be dropped like a hot potato..
Posted by: donna at October 02, 2015 12:12 PM (hUdMz)
Posted by: donna at October 02, 2015 12:09 PM (hUdMz)
Dating site profile.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 02, 2015 12:12 PM (fWAjv)
http://tinyurl.com/qb8pfb9
With the UN.
You know. Try as I might, I can't think of a single way that this could possibly go wrong.
Posted by: Semper In Stercus at October 02, 2015 12:12 PM (BZAd3)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 12:13 PM (kff5f)
that is what they will not talk about
Yeah, here in Denver the media ignores citizenship - they'll just say things like, "...was shot by an Aurora resident" followed by a Spanish name and a pic of a dude covered in tattoos (lookin' like MS-13), blah, blah, blah.
Move along, nothing to see...
Posted by: Lizzy at October 02, 2015 12:13 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: buzzion at October 02, 2015 12:13 PM (zt+N6)
Posted by: donna at October 02, 2015 12:09 PM (hUdMz)
Dating site profile.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 02, 2015 12:12 PM (fWAjv)
Well maybe he was at least self aware to understand that conservative gals wash better than liberals...Just saying
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 02, 2015 12:13 PM (BVZNi)
that is what makes up the bulk of gun crime stats
that is what they will not talk about
Posted by: ThunderB
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Patience. Once they kill off enough citizens, we'll no longer have to worry about not talking about it.
Posted by: Barack Obama at October 02, 2015 12:13 PM (E5UB0)
1. Laws (created by politicians who are lawyers) aren't enforced.
2. Public cries out.
3. Politicians (who are lawyers) react to public outcry by passing more laws that are...wait for it...
4. Not enforced.
5. Rinse, repeat ad nauseum.
Net result is more business for lawyers.
I could be wrong, but I don't think this is how it's supposed to work.
With apologies to all the lawyer-type Morons here, this is a problem.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 02, 2015 12:13 PM (LUgeY)
*****
Careful. That may be construed as "piling on".
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 02, 2015 12:13 PM (NeFrd)
Posted by: donna at October 02, 2015 12:09 PM (hUdMz)
Dating site profile.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA
So to me it sounds like he was looking for victims through a dating website
Posted by: Coolio at October 02, 2015 12:14 PM (ugaUI)
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"The Vatican confirms that Pope Francis was "ratfucked" into meeting Kim Davis."
I didn't know the Vatican used language like that. I guess it's another Pope Fankie the Boehner reform.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at October 02, 2015 12:14 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: donna at October 02, 2015 12:14 PM (hUdMz)
they are going with the NRA is a right wing nut job
they are going to us ethis to force gun control
which is stupid. If I were a low income person stuck in Ferguson or Baltimore you bet your ass I would get myself a gun
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 12:14 PM (zOTsN)
"Extremism"
How does an international body that puts Saudi Arabia in charge of it's Human Rights team define "extremism"?
This will go pear-shaped immediately.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 02, 2015 12:14 PM (NOIQH)
The gun control people always mean gun confiscation. Always. Ofascist basically said it in his speech, just too chicken shit to say the c word.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 02, 2015 12:14 PM (ODxAs)
Of course obama is responsible. obama is a terrorist. This shooting was a terrorist act precipated by obama.
obama came out after the terrorist attack and made demands for political change...or else, he said, it will happen again.
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 02, 2015 12:14 PM (1BhJn)
Posted by: mindful webworker - technical genius at October 02, 2015 12:15 PM (PF3Gg)
Obama sure jinxed that huh? He claimed Australia a model of how to stop gun violence yesterday after Oregon shooting.
Weasel Zippers
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 02, 2015 12:15 PM (BVZNi)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 02, 2015 12:13 PM (BVZNi)
I'd be curious what the other profiles on other dating sites said. (DailyMail said he was active in the online dating world).
Wouldn't surprise me if he was playing around with different "likes" and "dislikes" to see which method got him the most dumb college va jay jay.
In my experience, claiming to be a feminist liberal male was the best way to go when dealing with college-age chicks.
But as they say, times they are a-changing, so who knows?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 12:15 PM (AkOaV)
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I don't know how he said that with a straight face.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 02, 2015 12:15 PM (fWAjv)
The more I hear about this guy the more I go back to my default diagnosis, bug fuck nuts.
There was a report on Fox a while ago that his mommy, with whom he lived, had to protect him from things that upset him such as loud children and barking dogs. I'm not making that up.
He should have been shooting thorazine not guns.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 02, 2015 12:16 PM (/tuJf)
How do you spell precipitated??? Whatever.
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 02, 2015 12:16 PM (1BhJn)
Someone in Australia was probably like, "What the fuck, mate? Did Obama just call us pussies? FUCK THAT!!"
And didn't they recently have a coffee shop armed ISIS sympathizer stand off in Australia recently?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 12:16 PM (AkOaV)
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They're just committing the crimes Americans won't commit.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at October 02, 2015 12:16 PM (XUKZU)
Milady, having finished her morning ablutions, has come to my rescue. I'm caffeinated at last. Just in time, I presume, for the "normal" posts and the end of my morning with y'all.
Posted by: mindful webworker - morning Moron at October 02, 2015 12:17 PM (PF3Gg)
which Conservative Treehouse thinks was edited and altered after his death
maybe by his 4 chan buddies
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 12:17 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: donna at October 02, 2015 12:17 PM (hUdMz)
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I don't know how he said that with a straight face.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 02, 2015 12:15 PM (fWAjv)
well if nothing else, he is an accomplished liar
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 02, 2015 12:17 PM (BVZNi)
Imagine a federal law that allowed local law enforcement to be allowed to enforce immigration laws?
Or a law that allowed schools to expel students that couldn't establish they were legal residents?
These would make a difference if the goal is to keep them from coming over here.
Obviously, deportation is ideal, but it's simply not being done, and as much as I hate using the Left's language, there simply isn't the manpower to process 30 million people and send them home. So the goal needs to be to make life as uncomfortable as possible so they will leave on their own accord.
Posted by: Coolio at October 02, 2015 12:17 PM (ugaUI)
Not here to defend, but I am calling that CBS story on the Pope more fake than a Dan Rather news story on Bush. I think it is totally made up.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 02, 2015 12:18 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 02, 2015 12:18 PM (Dsvnk)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 02, 2015 12:18 PM (NeFrd)
Yes He was shot multiple times... If only He had a gun...
Posted by: donna at October 02, 2015 12:19 PM (hUdMz)
which Conservative Treehouse thinks was edited and altered after his death
There's certainly no indication of that in anything else in his bio. A Satanist conservative? Riiiiight.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at October 02, 2015 12:19 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 02, 2015 12:19 PM (LUgeY)
Is it true that campus police took way the vet's gun?
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 02, 2015 12:19 PM (1BhJn)
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 12:20 PM (zOTsN)
There's certainly no indication of that in anything else in his bio. A Satanist conservative? Riiiiight.
Who singles out Christians for execution..
Posted by: donna at October 02, 2015 12:20 PM (hUdMz)
So you had fear that illegal immigration would harm your financial situation.
There's nothing wrong with admitting that it's fear. Here's a hint: virtually all criminal laws are enacted out of some level of fear. Fear that someone will murder you, steal from you, break your legs, or kidnap your children. Fear that they will engage in business practices which will ruin your chances for prosperity.
Even most civil laws are based on fear.
If we, collectively, did not fear these things, there would be no reason to outlaw them.
The reason you are frustrated that laws against illegal immigration are not enforced is fear of the bad outcomes of illegal immigration - financial damage to your family and to the country, physical violence, and so forth.
The reason you want it *more* illegal to buy a gun from somebody you don't know is because you fear the bad outcomes associated with such transactions.
But until you admit that your motivation is fear, you can never conquer that fear and take the appropriate responsibility for yourself - whether that means buying a gun and learning to use it, or moving to some place that is more safe, or whatever.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 12:20 PM (kff5f)
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Yeah, those veterans are violent.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at October 02, 2015 12:20 PM (XUKZU)
http://tinyurl.com/o6y8vx3
But I think we all know that Obama is no normal person. Nosiree. Not normal at all.
Less than 24 hours after Obama cited Australia as a model of gun control as having virtually no gun violence, a police station gets shot up.
A police station.
Posted by: Semper In Stercus at October 02, 2015 12:21 PM (BZAd3)
Let me put it this way:
If I were a disaffected youth who hated "the man" and knew I were about to go on a homicidal mission to kill people, I'd set things up so the media would blame my political enemies (or other people I strongly disliked) when they went through my online presence.
All I'm saying.
But who knows. Maybe he was a conservative Republican. I have no idea. I don't see how it matters, but...
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 12:21 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 02, 2015 12:21 PM (Kr0Gx)
Posted by: Mainah at October 02, 2015 12:22 PM (659DL)
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 02, 2015 12:22 PM (E5UB0)
Posted by: Mainah at October 02, 2015 12:22 PM (659DL)
Does that include a war on the White House?
Asking for a Friend
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 02, 2015 12:22 PM (BVZNi)
This one seems less interesting than some we have recently been graced with here.
Not a complaint, RD, just an observation. After all, how can one tell, in the world of art, what one likes, without being exposed to that which one doesn't like? This one just strikes me as being ho, hum. Just doesn't speak to me. FWIW.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 02, 2015 12:22 PM (0yhH4)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at October 02, 2015 12:16 PM (XUKZU)
An act of love, right Jeb?
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 12:22 PM (kff5f)
Well, that would explain the delay in providing his name. Gave them time to scrub social media, internet of inconvenient facts.
Obama has been doing all sorts of things to grab guns - if he was capable of Fast and Furious (years ago), then there's probably not a lot he *won't* do to get his way, especially now that he's running out of time.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 02, 2015 12:23 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 02, 2015 12:19 PM (1BhJn)
I think that link was referring to a different vet in a different campus.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 12:23 PM (AkOaV)
whoa
something called the EUTimes says this shooter was on the ISIS terror watch list that Obama refused to take from Putin
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 12:23 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: PaleRider at October 02, 2015 12:23 PM (iA/+T)
But who knows. Maybe he was a conservative Republican. I have no idea. I don't see how it matters, but...
It doesn't... except to the MSM...
Posted by: donna at October 02, 2015 12:23 PM (hUdMz)
Posted by: Reggie Love at October 02, 2015 12:23 PM (9qvXj)
Posted by: bourbonchicken at October 02, 2015 12:23 PM (lQWxR)
If you like your plan, you can keep your plan
We are not after your guns
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 02, 2015 12:24 PM (BVZNi)
http://tinyurl.com/nmdkt4q
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 02, 2015 12:18 PM (Dsvnk)
Chris Mintz.
The person people should be talking about, not the nutless wonder psychofuck.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 02, 2015 12:24 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Lizzy
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With estrogen, it usually takes 2-4 years to go pear shaped.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 02, 2015 12:24 PM (E5UB0)
Less than 24 hours after Obama cited Australia as a model of gun
control as having virtually no gun violence, a police station gets shot
up.
No one remembers?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Sydney_hostage_crisis
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at October 02, 2015 12:24 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Rex B at October 02, 2015 12:24 PM (nGIsP)
something called the EUTimes says this shooter was on the ISIS terror watch list that Obama refused to take from Putin
Well, isn't that interesting?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 02, 2015 12:25 PM (LUgeY)
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Obama doesn't bow to reality. Reality bows to Obama.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at October 02, 2015 12:25 PM (XUKZU)
I think that's a fake news site.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 02, 2015 12:25 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 02, 2015 12:25 PM (BVZNi)
He just... god, that guy pisses me off.
Snarky little "modern man".
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 12:25 PM (AkOaV)
You mean those laws that already exist?
Seriously - already on the books that local LEO can enforce immigration law. It's the courts and ICE which won't let them, not the law.
Enrolling in school if you're not here legally? Not directly prohibited, but prohibited by proxy (not supposed to be able to register if you're not a resident, not supposed to be a resident w/o being here legally). Again, the issue is not the law, but that the government has specifically banned (extra-legally, IIRC) people from doing what is necessary to enforce the law.
And, since deportation isn't happening, why do you think (if these weren't already laws, and were then enacted) that *they* would be enforced?
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 12:25 PM (kff5f)
something called the EUTimes says this shooter was on the ISIS terror watch list that Obama refused to take from Putin
Well, isn't that interesting
That really sounds far fetched... but most of the stuff coming out does...
Posted by: donna at October 02, 2015 12:26 PM (hUdMz)
Other than plinking, why is everyone so hot and bothered for .22LR? I see lots of people complaining about the lack of availability. Are you guys killing snakes and squirrels?
Posted by: bonhomme at October 02, 2015 12:26 PM (jhqr1)
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 12:26 PM (zOTsN)
So, that's where we are in our alliances with good countries these days.
Posted by: MTF at October 02, 2015 12:26 PM (TxJGV)
It doesn't... except to the MSM...
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I guarantee you these murder will be included as right wing hate crimes next time the MSM need to prove to us that Islam is the religion of peace.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at October 02, 2015 12:27 PM (XUKZU)
Cuz its dirt cheap.
And because *everyone* owns at least 1 .22lr firearm.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 12:27 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: DaveA at October 02, 2015 12:27 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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We need to give him negative as well as positive feedback in hopes that he will improve over time.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 02, 2015 12:27 PM (E5UB0)
Black? He was black?
Posted by: donna at October 02, 2015 12:27 PM (hUdMz)
Coolio,
I am so with you. Whatever it takes.
How about....once a day, we bomb factories that knowingly hire illegals. At random.
How many days till the factories drop the illegals like hot potatoes?
Too much?
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 12:28 PM (RhhYt)
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 12:28 PM (zOTsN)
(True morons/moronettes will understand exactly what I'm talking about.)
Posted by: Randy Westerfeld at October 02, 2015 12:28 PM (zp6Kj)
I'd take that with a big grain of salt.
Lots of conspiracy theory type stuff floating around in Russia and europe.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 12:28 PM (AkOaV)
TP may not be real, but it doesn't matter. It/he/she/xe is the perfect model for a huge problem for our society. One that, fittingly enough, has no "solution".
Lack of knowledge, lack of reasoning ability (or discipline), childish desire to make everything magically perfect - somehow - default reaction to all bad things is "pass more laws!".
Dumbed down country. Inverted/destroyed American civic culture (bottom-up and independent now top-down and European/subservient/passive/dependent). Presto! Today's America. Where the minority of rational and historically-American (in terms of mindset) people fight a non-stop battle against their lesser, dumber fellow "citizens".
Posted by: rhomboid at October 02, 2015 12:28 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: donna at October 02, 2015 12:27 PM (hUdMz)
Have you heard his race/ethnicity yet? No? Then certainly not white.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 12:28 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 02, 2015 12:24 PM (fWAjv)
Who is that nutless wonder? Obama?
Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 02, 2015 12:28 PM (NaeCR)
Even when Australia was engaged in confiscation, they wouldn't admit that's what they were doing.
It was a "buy back". But you were legally obligated to sell. Politicians really think we're complete morons. Even when they're doing things out in the open, they still extort the language.
Posted by: bonhomme at October 02, 2015 12:28 PM (jhqr1)
That would have set the Alex Jones's of the world into a tizzy if he thwarted the shooting.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 02, 2015 12:29 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: donna at October 02, 2015 12:27 PM (hUdMz)
No, Obama's black. The shooter has been identified as "mixed race".
As I understand it, his mother is black, his father is white (and a British national. Parents divorced, dad lives in CA)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 12:29 PM (AkOaV)
Yeah, it's getting harder to tell what's real news and what's from the Onion.
I'm more inclined to believe something like that after the Tspeedbump Brothers incident.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 02, 2015 12:29 PM (LUgeY)
Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 02, 2015 12:28 PM (NaeCR)
Well, yes. But for my comment it is in regards to the shitheel burning in hell now.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 02, 2015 12:29 PM (fWAjv)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/nq2y8wd
Posted by: Kindltot at October 02, 2015 09:29 AM (3pRHP)
As long as she remains standing, she need never worry about a sunburned navel.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 02, 2015 12:30 PM (0yhH4)
No but I saw His picture...
Posted by: donna at October 02, 2015 12:30 PM (hUdMz)
No, Obama's black. The shooter has been identified as "mixed race".
Obama is 'mixed race,' too. Even though he's 'black' for political purposes.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at October 02, 2015 12:30 PM (oVJmc)
Note: Can't vouch for it's reliability but the piece is heavily attributed and easily believable.
http://tinyurl.com/o3quh4y
Posted by: Semper In Stercus at October 02, 2015 12:30 PM (BZAd3)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 02, 2015 12:31 PM (cgZPg)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 12:20 PM (kff5f)
Not really, Allen. The point with illegals is one of sovereignty. It is not "fear-based" any more than defense against any invasion is "fear-based". Not all laws are made to alleviate fears. Some are made to support proper structures ... like that of the nation, itself.
If one subscribes to the notion of the nation-state then there are certain laws and classes of laws that must exist and those laws must be enforced ... as all laws must if one also subscribes to the notion of the Rule Of Law. There is a very small amount of discretion allowed in the enforcement of these laws, but a wholesale denial of them is not part of that and never will be. Not even close.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 02, 2015 12:31 PM (zc3Db)
The left had a conniption fit about our "War on Terror" because terror is a tactic, not a group. They came up with lots of derisive phrases for the effort, but "Endless War" was the one that stuck.
Now Obama's announcing his own "Endless War" against a concept. Who here thinks the left will be consistent and call this out?
Anyone?
Posted by: bonhomme at October 02, 2015 12:32 PM (jhqr1)
could be Putin trolling Obama?
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 12:32 PM (zOTsN)
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And they never learn, never. Despite the 100% failure rate shown throughout human history. All you're doing is giving more and more coercive power to corrupt people like Obama.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 02, 2015 12:32 PM (E5UB0)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at October 02, 2015 12:30 PM (oVJmc)
I know I was being funny.
Daily Mail is saying the shooter was of "mixed race" with an African American mother and an Anglo-British father. Parents are divorced.
That's all I know.
I just got a kick out of "mixed race" being used to describe someone with one black parent and one white in this context, while Obama is never referred to as "mixed race"
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 12:33 PM (AkOaV)
I'm sure He was referring to those Conservative Christian terrorists...
Posted by: donna at October 02, 2015 12:33 PM (hUdMz)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 02, 2015 12:30 PM (0yhH4)
She got a reduction.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 02, 2015 12:33 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 12:33 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: donna at October 02, 2015 12:34 PM (hUdMz)
Seriously - already on the books that local LEO can enforce immigration law. It's the courts and ICE which won't let them, not the law.
Enrolling in school if you're not here legally? Not directly prohibited, but prohibited by proxy (not supposed to be able to register if you're not a resident, not supposed to be a resident w/o being here legally). Again, the issue is not the law, but that the government has specifically banned (extra-legally, IIRC) people from doing what is necessary to enforce the law.
And, since deportation isn't happening, why do you think (if these weren't already laws, and were then enacted) that *they* would be enforced?
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale
Illegals are exploiting the fact that the laws are contradictory here about when they get rights, so I do think better laws that don't contradict other laws would help that problem. We seem to be giving them a "wink, wink"
You can't kick a kid out of a public school for being an illegal alien, it violates federal law as it is currently being interpreted, So yes, I do think a law change could make a difference there.
I know when Arizona passed SB1070, a huge exodus of illegals left the state for greener pastures. More laws made a difference.
Going after employers with the tax code would be the big game changer.
Just relying on deportation is not enough, that basically puts the entire onus on ICE.
Some problems require more laws, some don't.
Posted by: Coolio at October 02, 2015 12:34 PM (ugaUI)
And because *everyone* owns at least 1 .22lr firearm.
1. As in Socialist countries, who cares about the low price if you can't find it at any price?
2. I don't. I'm over here buying expensive, but available .308 ammo
Posted by: bonhomme at October 02, 2015 12:34 PM (jhqr1)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel
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George Zimmerman, Fauxchohontas, Shaun King.
Lefties alter race at will for political purposes.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 02, 2015 12:35 PM (E5UB0)
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at October 02, 2015 12:35 PM (EHU9F)
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Uhh.
http://tinyurl.com/qz4cod8
Posted by: The Great White Snark at October 02, 2015 12:35 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 02, 2015 12:36 PM (cgZPg)
So, that's where we are in our alliances with good countries these days.
Posted by: MTF at October 02, 2015 12:26 PM (TxJGV)
Yeah I saw that. Someone on FOX said that this AM also
Real nice Allies
70 Years of American Dominance in the world which DIRECTLY contributed to the great life style we have here... has been thrown away in 6 years by this POS on the White House
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 02, 2015 12:36 PM (BVZNi)
http://tinyurl.com/onpotsg
I'm guessing that an armed guard would have "invited violence", or something.
Posted by: Semper In Stercus at October 02, 2015 12:37 PM (BZAd3)
Yes. And for donks to usurp our sovereignty to keep themselves in power is treason.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 02, 2015 12:37 PM (E5UB0)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 02, 2015 12:37 PM (LUgeY)
Nice pitcher.
Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at October 02, 2015 12:38 PM (9OMtu)
Posted by: Naes at October 02, 2015 12:39 PM (Ypc8j)
Shot five times and lying in a hospital bed with the biggest $#!+-eating grin!
http://tinyurl.com/nmdkt4q
(h/t Boss Moss)
Utterly disqualified as a Modern Man.
Posted by: mindful webworker - am I still here? at October 02, 2015 12:39 PM (PF3Gg)
Posted by: MTF at October 02, 2015 12:26 PM (TxJGV)
This is traitorous to the heart of what this country stands for.
Enough was a while ago. He has to go. He is ripping the soul from this country.
Posted by: Semper In Stercus at October 02, 2015 12:40 PM (BZAd3)
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 12:40 PM (zOTsN)
Let's make all your hot burn it down fantasies come true!
Together--you know you want me!
Let's start it like it's hot--first lets cancel your missile defense!
IFYKWI-FUBAR
Posted by: Hillary! at October 02, 2015 12:40 PM (mcm0N)
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 09:51 AM (RhhYt)
You wouldn't by any chance have the address of this tattoo parlor? Asking for a friend...
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 02, 2015 12:40 PM (0yhH4)
Posted by: mindful webworker - am I still here? at October 02, 2015 12:39 PM (PF3Gg)
You got that right.
Posted by: Semper In Stercus at October 02, 2015 12:41 PM (BZAd3)
No, I don't think a kid could paint that picture unless they were very talented. The light in the trees and the gradations of color on the ground would be too complex for someone that was an average kid and not very skilled as an artist at a young age.i
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 02, 2015 12:42 PM (cgZPg)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 02, 2015 12:43 PM (ODxAs)
POP, yes and no. Both fear and a responsible regard for rule of law and sovereignty play a part, practically speaking, re mass illegal migration without assimilation.
And Allen, admit to not having done the spadework, but (surprise!) the "judiciary" has also played a role in vandalizing the rule of law and the civic culture. Prop 187 in CA. A now-unbelievable, but critical chapter in which CA voters actually tried to re-establish some sanity and fairness and responsibility by switching off part of the electro-magnet of state benefits/services to illegals.
Prediction: in the very unlikely event (5%) Trump becomes prez and the additional very unlikely event his actions match his rhetoric on mass illegal migration (10%), the "judiciary" will stymie almost every single action taken to re-establish rule of law. Redefining marriage was not working, as the culture was rejecting it, by and large. So the lawlessness and power-madness of the judiciary had to be turned up a notch. Hence the comically indefensible Prop Eight story, and finally the (to date) ultimate Kennedy self-beclowning.
Ending the mass lawlessness, race-baiting festival, and rent-seeking economic catastrophe that is mass illegal migration will compel the judiciary to pull out all the stops.
Posted by: rhomboid at October 02, 2015 12:43 PM (QDnY+)
Okay, getting into the weeds a bit here, but it's fun, so I'll keep going.
Yes, national sovereignty laws are fear based. If I wasn't afraid of the consequences of not enforcing my sovereignty, I wouldn't have laws enforcing my sovereignty.
All GOOD laws, whatever their impetus (mostly: fear) ALSO go to "support proper structures." That's why I called out (much earlier in the thread) several laws which would be plainly bad - because while they may be based on fear, they do not support my Natural Rights properly (or balance those Natural Rights properly against the Natural Rights of others).
I am not opposing laws generally, and I am not saying that such fears are not rational or justified. But if we were not afraid of rampant murder, we would not make murder illegal. If we were not afraid of theft, we would not make theft illegal. If we were not afraid of invasion from without - or foreign powers acting to disrupt our national interests - we would not have laws authorizing a standing army.
And so forth.
Even so, I said "virtually" specifically because it is at least plausible that some laws exist out of some other cause. But the vast majority of laws exist because we fear (to greater or lesser extent) the result of those laws not existing.
I do not own a gun because "everyone should own a gun." I own a gun because rational self interest and fear tell me that there may someday be a situation in which I must defend myself, and having a gun is a better way of doing that than trying to engage my assailant in a slap-fight.
Having admitted such a situation may exist (and that it is an situation I wish to avoid- that is, that I fear), it is then possible for me to address the situation and accept responsibility for myself in preparing for it.
The same is true of any (or virtually any) law which "supports proper structures." If I did not believe it possible that something which would assail those structures could happen, then there would be no reason to affirmatively support them.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 12:44 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Hillary! at October 02, 2015 12:46 PM (mcm0N)
Not all motivations are due to the fear of the bad consequences. Many are motivated by a desire for the good consequences. Some people might work because they fear poverty but many work because they love what they are doing or they love what the work brings them. If fear of poverty were the driving factor in work then people would stop working when they no longer had to worry about being poor - "You have made enough money", as was infamously said.
The notion of the nation-state isn't mostly driven by fear of chaos (though that certainly exists) but more for the benefits that are effected by the establishment of the nation-state. If some other structure yielded more benefits then people would gravitate towards that. Fear is only the lowest common denominator, not generally the prime motivator - except at the very bottom.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 02, 2015 12:55 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 10:09 AM (zOTsN)
Since none of the other attributes listed there jibe with "conservative republican", I see two possibilities: one, dillweed was being "ironic"; two, it was a malicious edit intended to slam conservative Republicans.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 02, 2015 01:00 PM (0yhH4)
How about....once a day, we bomb factories that knowingly hire illegals. At random.
How many days till the factories drop the illegals like hot potatoes?
Too much?
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 12:28 PM (RhhYt)
Wow. Just wow.
From non-violent, I just want the world to be nice, legal and unicorn shaped to acts of violence based on racial discrimination.
Sweetie, I'm not negotiating with Malcom X. Go somewhere else to play.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 02, 2015 01:00 PM (3pRHP)
Posted by: Garrett at October 02, 2015 10:09 AM (N448I)
You can get a lot of mileage from a 5-cent piece of string.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 02, 2015 01:01 PM (0yhH4)
It's always interesting, how people that have never bought a gun have the perfect idea on how to fix the process. It's harder and clearly more expensive than most folks seem to understand.
Posted by: notsothoreau at October 02, 2015 01:09 PM (5HBd1)
Posted by: notsothoreau at October 02, 2015 01:12 PM (5HBd1)
Posted by: notsothoreau at October 02, 2015 01:18 PM (5HBd1)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 02, 2015 10:50 AM (NeFrd)
Something unicorns never hear: "Nice rack!"
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 02, 2015 01:23 PM (0yhH4)
Posted by: newsucanuz at October 02, 2015 01:32 PM (2E66g)
for that very reason. Hesaid, "[The gunman] probably knew that the
facility was a gun free facility, [which is] an easy target for these
kinds of coward individuals. They know they're not going to get any
response unless they happen to run into security or a campus police
officer."
Sprinkle this liberally around the Web.
Posted by: Mortimer at October 02, 2015 01:33 PM (0dcbp)
Posted by: Tickled Pink at October 02, 2015 11:03 AM (RhhYt)
In a word: bullshit. Crazy people who are crazy enough to do the sort of crimes we have been discussing are crazy enough to have had previous run-ins with authority. They literally call attention to themselves. A gun, being an inanimate object, just sits there.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 02, 2015 01:34 PM (0yhH4)
American mother and an Anglo-British father. Parents are divorced."
I'm betting he bipolar.
Posted by: SarahW at October 02, 2015 01:38 PM (3fTXW)
By the way the ads are making corrections hard to make. It takes a long time for the comment page to reload.
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Posted by: blaster at October 02, 2015 11:32 AM (2Ocf1)
What BP ad? I see no ads. The technology exists.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 02, 2015 01:56 PM (0yhH4)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 02, 2015 02:10 PM (0yhH4)
opened up new worlds for me.
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