Greece Set to Default and Steal Germany's Money; PM Tsipras To Meet with Russian Putin to Beg Him For Financial Support, In Exchange, I'm Sure, for Military Alliance



Meanwhile, our very serious and informed media continues covering the shit out of Rachel Dolezal, and they'll have so much more to say when her sex tape drops (no, really).

The nation is just Amusing Ourselves to Death.

I pledge allegiance to the Meme of the Viral States of America. And to the Listicle, for which it LOLs, one tweetstorm, under Buzzfeed, with liberty and gawker for all.

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1 Exit plan?

Posted by: Sphynx at June 17, 2015 04:40 PM (OZmbA)

2 INCOMING!!

Posted by: SMOD at June 17, 2015 04:40 PM (jmN7w)

3 the Russians are broke--well, broke-ish

Posted by: John of Salisbury at June 17, 2015 04:40 PM (8CdUx)

4 I'm amusing myself out of a job by commenting here.

Posted by: Sphynx at June 17, 2015 04:41 PM (OZmbA)

5 Commies gotta commie

Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at June 17, 2015 04:42 PM (JOG+K)

6 Is an "OZmbA" an Australian Obama?

Posted by: andycanuck at June 17, 2015 04:43 PM (kivUY)

7 Ahem. The teutonic north and the club Med south. Europe in a nutshell.

Oh, and that growing Muslim thing.

Posted by: redenzo at June 17, 2015 04:43 PM (WCnJW)

8 Well well well...

This will be interesting to watch play out.

My guess? Germany blinks, Greece gets an extension.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 17, 2015 04:43 PM (AkOaV)

9 >>6
Is an "OZmbA" an Australian Obama?

Posted by: andycanuck at June 17, 2015 04:43 PM (kivUY)<<


No, it's an advanced degree from the Emerald City.

Posted by: Sphynx at June 17, 2015 04:44 PM (OZmbA)

10 That socialist ran out of other people's money.

Now he's got to sell the Greek soul, or what was left of it.

Posted by: Seems Legit at June 17, 2015 04:44 PM (A98Xu)

11 It's all bread and circuses from here on out.

Posted by: Kreplach at June 17, 2015 04:44 PM (AtR8s)

12 I pledge allegiance to the Meme of the Viral States of America. And to the Listicle, for which it LOLs, one tweetstorm, under Buzzfeed, with liberty and gawker for all.
You left me out.

Posted by: kitteh youtube at June 17, 2015 04:44 PM (kivUY)

13 Are they still demanding WWII reparations on top of refusing to pay?

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at June 17, 2015 04:45 PM (ZKzrr)

14 The Russians will bail the Greeks out in a heartbeat. That second warm-water port looks pretty inviting.

Posted by: Bill H at June 17, 2015 04:45 PM (Baojj)

15 Don't worry, Germany. You get used to this after a while.

Posted by: Greece at June 17, 2015 04:45 PM (8ZskC)

16 " with liberty and gawker for all."



Amen to that, Brother......

Posted by: Hulk Hogan at June 17, 2015 04:45 PM (sCHw2)

17 So you are saying Germany and Russia may be at odds. That sounds very 20th century to me (and 19th and 18th).

Look out Poland.

Posted by: SH at June 17, 2015 04:46 PM (gmeXX)

18 #Unexpectedly!

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 17, 2015 04:46 PM (pZtrP)

19

Peace in our times.

*even though the Peace Index fell

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 17, 2015 04:46 PM (qCMvj)

20 Beck is thinking Putin is fighting off coup. Oligarchs making a move.

Posted by: Paladin at June 17, 2015 04:46 PM (lP8dE)

21 Wonder if I can pick up a small island for cheap?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 17, 2015 04:46 PM (VPLuQ)

22 So will Germany take over the Greek Yogurt Industry? John Stamos to be replaced?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 17, 2015 04:46 PM (F2IAQ)

23 Beware of Greeks demanding gifts.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 17, 2015 04:46 PM (8ZskC)

24 Posted by: Bill H at June 17, 2015 04:45 PM (Baojj)

Fun fact:

Russias broke, too.

The entire world is broke.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 17, 2015 04:46 PM (AkOaV)

25 I genuinely have to wonder what happens when/if Russia/China decide to attack the US via Mexico (or somewhere else). The coasts are pretty much run by leftist pussies so they'll surrender hard and fast. But once they start moving inland, there's a whooooooole lotta people with guns and bad tempers.

Of course, that may just be me thinking positive. See you in the labor camps, comrades!

Posted by: sans_sheriff at June 17, 2015 04:46 PM (dBAgi)

26 Keep on rocking in the socialist world

Posted by: Niel Young at June 17, 2015 04:47 PM (TUDP6)

27 To heck with Greece. Is the sex tape posted on pronhub, yet? That's the important question of the day!!!

/sarc

Posted by: State drone at June 17, 2015 04:47 PM (h31Vj)

28 Don't worry, Germany. You get used to this after a while.
Posted by: Greece



Germany isn't going there for the hunting.......

Posted by: rickb223 at June 17, 2015 04:47 PM (B7UtQ)

29

Great movie.

John Travolta was....

oh, nm

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 17, 2015 04:47 PM (qCMvj)

30 Yesterday's headline was about the return of German tanks to Poland...as part of the NATO move to show "resolve" in the face of Russian bellicosity.
I'm thinking those tanks could go south as well as north.

Come to think of it, perhaps the Rooskies will beat the Germans to it. They tried with the Albanians in '46. Why not now?

Posted by: Diogenes at June 17, 2015 04:47 PM (08Znv)

31 That second warm-water port looks pretty inviting.

And just a hop skip and a jump from their Syrian friends.

Posted by: wrg500 at June 17, 2015 04:47 PM (sgrzZ)

32 Last time I clicked on a thread-within-a-thread, I wound up in the Camp Banhammer Death March.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 17, 2015 04:47 PM (F2IAQ)

33 Bills? Who pays bills? Let's all go to Mykonos and get nekkid.

Posted by: Sphynx at June 17, 2015 04:47 PM (OZmbA)

34 "The 1980's called and they want their foreign policy back."

Hardy, har, har, har!!!

Damn but that was a great zinger, right Democrats?

You voted for that fuckweasel, I hope you and your kids are the first to die when the war(s) starts.

Posted by: RoyalOil at June 17, 2015 04:47 PM (ZvKdv)

35 Hey, look at that--nation states acting in accordance with their own self-interest.

If only there were some kind of theory to predict such a thing.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 17, 2015 04:48 PM (659DL)

36 Boss! Have you ever seen a more splendiferous crash?!

Posted by: Zorba at June 17, 2015 04:48 PM (h4vJk)

37 United States of Trivia

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 17, 2015 04:48 PM (uctT+)

38 The only problem with Greeces little daliance with the Bear is they litterly have nothing of value to offer Russia.

Very little in the way of natural resources, shit labor force and a massive welfare state coupled with a thoroughly corrupt beuracracy.

Russia has that in spades, why would they need more?

Posted by: Kreplach at June 17, 2015 04:48 PM (AtR8s)

39 Buy an Island, declare Independence. And live the Ace of Spades Lifestyle.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 17, 2015 04:48 PM (CxEX+)

40 I pledge allegiance to the Meme of the Viral States of America. And to the Listicle, for which it LOLs, one tweetstorm, under Buzzfeed, with liberty and gawker for all.

yeah, with that, I'm going to go work out

at the very least, take care of yourselves, all
one life

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 17, 2015 04:48 PM (qCMvj)

41 Ramadan begins at sunset. So no good food for a few days.

Posted by: Colin at June 17, 2015 04:48 PM (9Rl28)

42 If they could have stuck to an austerity plan Germany would have given them more time and money. Socialists are a lazy lot.

Posted by: Cruzinator at June 17, 2015 04:48 PM (rxtQa)

43 >>>
22
So will Germany take over the Greek Yogurt Industry? John Stamos to be replaced?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 17, 2015 04:46 PM (F2IAQ) <<<

We're actually hoping to pick up 2 as yet unnamed players from the Bundesliga for George Stephanopoulos....

Posted by: ABC News at June 17, 2015 04:48 PM (sCHw2)

44 Posted by: rickb223 at June 17, 2015 04:47 PM (B7UtQ)

The Germans are a self-hating neutered people after the whole Nazi thing. Which is why they're such strong proponents of a "european community".

I think they'll suck it up and let Greece fleece them. I don't think they'll do anything to them.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 17, 2015 04:49 PM (AkOaV)

45 The only problem with Greeces little daliance with the Bear is they litterly have nothing of value to offer Russia.

Very little in the way of natural resources, shit labor force and a massive welfare state coupled with a thoroughly corrupt beuracracy.

Russia has that in spades, why would they need more?

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Methinks you are missing an obvious resource that Russia dearly lacks.

Posted by: SH at June 17, 2015 04:49 PM (gmeXX)

46 Good thing we bailed on Western/Central Europe, there's no way Russia could ever become a threat again....

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 17, 2015 04:49 PM (2cS/G)

47 The Greeks are attacking from the rear!

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 17, 2015 04:49 PM (evdj2)

48 I'd like to retire on a Greek island with a supply of wine and a hairy Greek goddess.

Posted by: Sphynx at June 17, 2015 04:50 PM (OZmbA)

49 @25 Posted by: sans_sheriff at June 17, 2015 04:46 PM

- - - - - -
50,000 LATAMs crossing our borders in a month is nothing for us...in fact both Parties embrace them.
So what's the difference if say, 50,000 Chinese infantry, plus their stooges the Norks, park ships off California and unload?

Posted by: Diogenes at June 17, 2015 04:50 PM (08Znv)

50
Team hardwoods!

Posted by: Racchel Dolezal at June 17, 2015 04:50 PM (q+zA9)

51 Next in the headlines, "VW acquires NAMCO, sells assets to dog food cannery."

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 17, 2015 04:50 PM (F2IAQ)

52 42 If they could have stuck to an austerity plan Germany would have given them more time and money. Socialists are a lazy lot.
Posted by: Cruzinator at June 17, 2015 04:48 PM (rxtQa)

Well, math.

They owe too much money, their people are too dependent on government jobs, pensions, and "safety nets", and their national pastime is to cheat on taxes.

"austerity" was never going to fix this. That much has been apparent for a long time.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 17, 2015 04:50 PM (AkOaV)

53 Ramadan begins at sunset. So no good food for a few days.



If you don't count pork ribs, (tonight), and ribeyes, (tomorrow night ), as good food.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 17, 2015 04:50 PM (B7UtQ)

54 Methinks you are missing an obvious resource that Russia dearly lacks.

Posted by: SH at June 17, 2015 04:49 PM


Baklava? Ouzo?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 17, 2015 04:50 PM (h4vJk)

55 In a just world, Germany would foreclose on Greece and evict the current occupants to mitigate the debt.

Posted by: Keith Arnold at June 17, 2015 04:50 PM (iIzG7)

56 The Krauts will cave. They can't let The EU die off. If the Greeks go, there is no stopping the Spanish and the Italians.

DOOM for the EU.

"I pledge allegiance to the Meme of the Viral States of America. And to
the Listicle, for which it LOLs, one tweetstorm, under Buzzfeed, with
liberty and gawker for all."

I'm stealing that, but I will give you credit for it.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois at June 17, 2015 04:50 PM (RQ2Z6)

57 The only problem with Greeces little daliance with the Bear is they litterly have nothing of value to offer Russia.

Souda Bay waves.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 17, 2015 04:51 PM (659DL)

58 Fun fact:

Russias broke, too.

The entire world is broke.
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 17, 2015 04:46 PM (AkOaV)


Even funner fact: If they think it's worth the investment, the Russians will cough it up. Sticking it to NATO is a priority.

Posted by: Bill H at June 17, 2015 04:51 PM (Baojj)

59 The Germans are a self-hating neutered people after the whole Nazi thing. Which is why they're such strong proponents of a "european community".

I think they'll suck it up and let Greece fleece them. I don't think they'll do anything to them.

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Maybe - but they are still German (which brings a lot of good qualities). But we are just students of history. And history began anew in 2008. The past is the past.

Posted by: SH at June 17, 2015 04:51 PM (gmeXX)

60 Beck is thinking Putin is fighting off coup. Oligarchs making a move.
Posted by: Paladin at June 17, 2015 04:46 PM (lP8dE)


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The thing is, if Putin can end up owning Greece, his position is assured for quite some time.

And as for the Greeks. Once the Russians own you, the perpetual holiday stops.

Posted by: Soona at June 17, 2015 04:51 PM (P25Hh)

61 Ah, Playing the Russian Card. This is not going to work out well for Greece.



It has a socialist government, maybe Putin can just buy the country?



The balls on this guy. I am sure the great minds at our State Dept have already played this out.



I make funny joke.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 17, 2015 04:51 PM (0FSuD)

62 Looks like the Greek will have to sell the rights to their Grecian formula.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at June 17, 2015 04:51 PM (0x/TW)

63 Have the Greeks done anything worthwhile in the last two millennia?

Posted by: Garrett at June 17, 2015 04:51 PM (brBIB)

64 >>>
Methinks you are missing an obvious resource that Russia dearly lacks.

Posted by: SH at June 17, 2015 04:49 PM (gmeXX)
<<<


Hairy women named Zorba?


Posted by: Mickey Shwarma at June 17, 2015 04:51 PM (sCHw2)

65 I genuinely have to wonder what happens when/if Russia/China decide to attack the US via Mexico (or somewhere else). The coasts are pretty much run by leftist pussies so they'll surrender hard and fast. But once they start moving inland, there's a whooooooole lotta people with guns and bad tempers.

We gamed that out a couple of threads back. Let's just say Alaska is safer than it looks.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12 at June 17, 2015 04:51 PM (2l5vw)

66 Beware of Greeks demanding gifts.

Helen was played by a German in "Troy".

Spins and revolutions, baby.

Posted by: spirals and turns at June 17, 2015 04:51 PM (ZtFr+)

67 "Greece Set to Default and Steal Germany's Money"

Or as serious contender Donald Trump calls it: business as usual.

Posted by: Y-not at June 17, 2015 04:52 PM (RWGcK)

68 Methinks you are missing an obvious resource that Russia dearly lacks.
Posted by: SH


Baklava? Ouzo?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState




Anal.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 17, 2015 04:52 PM (B7UtQ)

69 Greece needs to leave the Euro. It's a nice country, the people can live a pleasant 2nd world life there. Eating and drinking, living in 200 year old houses in quaint villages, dancing on the beach. They just don't have the industry and productive nature to live like the Scandi-infected Northern Europeans.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 17, 2015 04:52 PM (evdj2)

70 "Methinks you are missing an obvious resource that Russia dearly lacks."

Alcohol?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 17, 2015 04:52 PM (VPLuQ)

71 Don't be so downbeat about the USA, Ace. When this big war that's brewing cranks up, we'll shape up and get serious again, eventually. Nothing a few hundred million lives (globally) can't fix.

Posted by: major major major major at June 17, 2015 04:52 PM (vOonM)

72 Posted by: SH at June 17, 2015 04:49 PM (gmeXX)

Yes, a warm water port would be very valuable to the Russians.

And it would be a good place to park their Black Sea Fleet without having to drive them through NATO member and sort of ally Turkeys back yard to get out of the Black Sea.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 17, 2015 04:52 PM (AkOaV)

73 Why Rooskies in Greece? If you control Greece, you control the Med.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 17, 2015 04:52 PM (08Znv)

74
The Greeks are attacking from the rear!Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 17, 2015 04:49 PM (evdj2)
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Advance towards the rear?

Posted by: Darth Randall at June 17, 2015 04:52 PM (6n332)

75 Methinks you are missing an obvious resource that Russia dearly lacks.

Posted by: SH at June 17, 2015 04:49 PM (gmeXX)



Hairy women named Zorba?


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You need women to fix a demographic problem.

Posted by: SH at June 17, 2015 04:52 PM (gmeXX)

76 I think the Germans are reaching the end of their rope on this, and if the Greeks decide to do the historic thing and bend over for Putin, then blockade them until they're eating their shoes.

Posted by: JEM (sometimes The Devoceleraptor) at June 17, 2015 04:53 PM (o+SC1)

77 This should have happened two years ago and 300 billion euros.

No way Greece was going to be able to pay two times its GDP from just those bailouts. If I were Germany, I would foreclose on some very beautiful islands.

Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at June 17, 2015 04:53 PM (TV9BR)

78 Why Rooskies in Greece? If you control Greece, you control the Med.

Actually, it's Sicily.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 17, 2015 04:53 PM (659DL)

79
Opa!! More Windex for all!

Posted by: Doctor Fish at June 17, 2015 04:53 PM (P330y)

80 Yes, a warm water port would be very valuable to the Russians.

And it would be a good place to park their Black Sea Fleet without having to drive them through NATO member and sort of ally Turkeys back yard to get out of the Black Sea.
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 17, 2015 04:52 PM (AkOaV)

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You too must have studied history. But you forgot history started over in 2008. Stop thinking in 8th century terms.

Posted by: SH at June 17, 2015 04:54 PM (gmeXX)

81 >>>22 So will Germany take over the Greek Yogurt Industry? John Stamos to be replaced?



I am tanned, rested and ready.

Posted by: David Hasselhof at June 17, 2015 04:54 PM (brBIB)

82 Shamelessly stolen from online:

A Greek man, an Albanian man, a Swedish girl and an old Italian woman are traveling on a train that has just entered a dark tunnel. Suddenly they hear a loud *slap*, and when the train emerges, the Albanian man has a red hand print on his cheek.He must have groped the Swedish girl, and she slapped him, the Italian woman thinks.
He tried to grope me but fondled the old lady instead, and she slapped him, the Swedish girl decides.
The Greek guy must have groped the blonde, and she slapped me by accident, the Albanian determines.
I can't wait for another tunnel, the Greek man thinks, so I can smack that Albanian again!

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 17, 2015 04:54 PM (F2IAQ)

83 Posted by: mynewhandle at June 17, 2015 04:50 PM (AkOaV)

They never attempted it for any length of time because they are not capable of it. If they were it would have worked. As I said they could have gotten more money and more time to pay.

Posted by: Cruzinator at June 17, 2015 04:54 PM (rxtQa)

84 Why Rooskies in Greece? If you control Greece, you control the Med.

/looks at Gibraltar and Turkey

Gotta get your ships there first, chief.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12 at June 17, 2015 04:54 PM (2l5vw)

85 Look out Poland.

Interestingly enough, the Bundeswehr just moved a mech division into Poland for "exercises".

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 17, 2015 04:54 PM (evdj2)

86 Smart Diplomacy!

Leading from Behind!

Don't do dumb shit!

This administration is a clown show. No really, an actual show featuring clowns.

Posted by: Seems Legit at June 17, 2015 04:54 PM (A98Xu)

87 Opa!! More Windex for all!
Posted by: Doctor Fish at June 17, 2015 04:53 PM


Goes down easier than most of the retsina.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 17, 2015 04:54 PM (h4vJk)

88 Posted by: Bill H at June 17, 2015 04:51 PM (Baojj)

It's more about having a port that doesn't freeze for half of the year in which to park their Navy. But yes, I'm sure the Russians would love to stick it to NATO.

BUT writing Germany a check to pay off Greeces debt doesn't really stick it to NATO, does it?

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 17, 2015 04:54 PM (AkOaV)

89
And it would be a good place to park their Black Sea Fleet without having to drive them through NATO member and sort of ally Turkeys back yard to get out of the Black Sea.


It also splits NATO in 2.

Posted by: wrg500 at June 17, 2015 04:55 PM (sgrzZ)

90 Gotta get your ships there first, chief.

It's not ships I'm worried about. It's aircraft.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 17, 2015 04:55 PM (659DL)

91 Greece has the EU by the short hairs and everyone knows it. Germany will step in and bail them out yet again because if they don't, the Euro gets flushed down the toilet.

The euro was always a temporary measure. That's why each coin and bill is identified by the Country of issue. Just in case someone comes along and defaults.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 17, 2015 04:55 PM (iONHu)

92 Malta is the key!

Posted by: Zombie Winston Churchill at June 17, 2015 04:55 PM (evdj2)

93 Sicily
Malta
Gibralter


Istanbul for good measure

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 17, 2015 04:56 PM (VPLuQ)

94 It also splits NATO in 2.

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So you are staying this may be a good thing.

Posted by: SH at June 17, 2015 04:56 PM (gmeXX)

95 47
The Greeks are attacking from the rear!

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 17, 2015 04:49 PM (evdj2)

THREAD WINNER

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 17, 2015 04:56 PM (0FSuD)

96 No way Greece was going to be able to pay two times its GDP from just those bailouts.



When you owe the bank $100k, the bank owns you.
When you owe the bank $100 mil, you own the bank.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 17, 2015 04:56 PM (B7UtQ)

97 32 Last time I clicked on a thread-within-a-thread, I wound up in the Camp Banhammer Death March.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 17, 2015 04:47 PM (F2IAQ)

We was set up

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 17, 2015 04:57 PM (F2IAQ)

98
These are the End Times, Ace. What's wrong with having a little fun?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 17, 2015 04:57 PM (iQIUe)

99 Methinks you are missing an obvious resource that Russia dearly lacks.

Posted by: SH at June 17, 2015 04:49 PM


You mean, the one about warm water port with easy access to the Mediterranean? Don't bother, SH. Some people you just can't teach.

Posted by: Bill H at June 17, 2015 04:57 PM (Baojj)

100
So the inevitable Greek dorking of Europe's squeekhole......

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 17, 2015 04:57 PM (vXKGT)

101 Dibs on Lesbos!!!

Posted by: hilllary at June 17, 2015 04:57 PM (kivUY)

102 Posted by: Cruzinator at June 17, 2015 04:54 PM (rxtQa)

I'm just saying it had no chance of working.

What do you do? Kick all of the old people off their pensions? That'd lead to civil unrest and a spiraling of problems and unanticipated consequences.

Shut down the government and fire all of their employees? Civil unrest and the rest.

Crack down on tax cheats? Eh, maybe. Would just encourage more creative ways of cheating though most likely.

The problem is that Greece is way over extended and has no real way of paying off anywhere near what they owe. Germany should never have made the last several loans, and in a rational world Greece would have been kicked out of the Euro monetary agreement years ago. Then they could devalue their drachma to the point where they can make their lavish pension payments, and still pay off creditors if they need to.

But really... Germany knew they were never going to get repaid.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 17, 2015 04:57 PM (AkOaV)

103 So will Germany take over the Greek Yogurt Industry?

It will all be replaced by quark.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at June 17, 2015 04:58 PM (ZKzrr)

104 Greece has the EU by the short hairs and everyone knows it. Germany will step in and bail them out yet again because if they don't, the Euro gets flushed down the toilet.

...and if they do, a half dozen other countries line up for the same deal.

Wie du's auch machst, es ist verkehrt.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12 at June 17, 2015 04:58 PM (2l5vw)

105 I could go for a good egg cream or chocolate Malta shake right about now.

Posted by: Garrett at June 17, 2015 04:58 PM (brBIB)

106 We was set up
Posted by: Misanthropic
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Filthy Scandi's, is my guess.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 17, 2015 04:58 PM (F2IAQ)

107 Churchill basically rolled over on Soviet control of the rest of Eastern Europe in exchange for Stalin's pledge to stay out of Greece. There was a post-WWII communist insurgency, but no Soviet support, and it was eventually put down. Letting the Greeks fall under Russian sway would be a great opportunity for the SCOAMFto not only weaken the West but also to thumb his nose at Churchill's memory again.

Posted by: Bud Norton at June 17, 2015 04:58 PM (6cOMd)

108

Opa!!!

Posted by: Greece Starts Smashing Germany's Plates and Hummel Figurines at June 17, 2015 04:58 PM (0cMkb)

109

PM Tsipras To Meet with Russian Putin to Beg Him For Financial Support, In Exchange, I'm Sure, for Military Alliance


After having seen what happened to Germany, what are the odds that Putin will do things the Greek Way?

Posted by: Arbalest at June 17, 2015 04:58 PM (FlRtG)

110 Tsipras is asking Putin for money?


I bet Putin was about to ask Tsipras the same thing.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2015 04:58 PM (oKE6c)

111 So Rachel's x was a physical fitness instructor and they made a sex tape.


Wonder what that will go for?

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 17, 2015 04:59 PM (0FSuD)

112 After having seen what happened to Germany, what are the odds that Putin will do things the Greek Way?
Posted by: Arbalest at June 17, 2015 04:58 PM


Depends on how much lube he has available.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 17, 2015 04:59 PM (h4vJk)

113 Greece has the EU by the short hairs and everyone knows it. Germany will step in and bail them out yet again because if they don't, the Euro gets flushed down the toilet.


Next up Portugal, Spain and Italy

Posted by: wrg500 at June 17, 2015 04:59 PM (sgrzZ)

114 We we went there on our honeymoon and all around every house look unfinished and we found out later from our tour guide that if you did not finish your house you would not be taxed. So you have houses with One floor finished any other levels would be left unfinished or they would just have rebar hanging from the top of the house to show it was unfinished.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 17, 2015 04:59 PM (CxEX+)

115 @85 - does the Bundeswehr even HAVE an entire mechanized division that's up to TO&E and operable?

I thought pretty much everything was around 40%...

Posted by: JEM (sometimes The Devoceleraptor) at June 17, 2015 05:00 PM (o+SC1)

116 Dibs on Lesbos!!!
Posted by: hilllary
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"Attacking from the rear" and this one are neck and neck for the win.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 17, 2015 05:00 PM (F2IAQ)

117 Would Russia be able to use some Greek stadiums for the next World Cup?

Posted by: SH at June 17, 2015 05:00 PM (gmeXX)

118 14 The Russians will bail the Greeks out in a heartbeat. That second warm-water port looks pretty inviting.
Posted by: Bill H at June 17, 2015 04:45 PM (Baojj)


It's more about having a port that doesn't freeze for half of the year in which to park their Navy. But yes, I'm sure the Russians would love to stick it to NATO.

BUT writing Germany a check to pay off Greeces debt doesn't really stick it to NATO, does it?
Posted by: mynewhandle at June 17, 2015 04:54 PM (AkOaV)


Wow- and I thought I was the only one who didn't read before commenting.

Posted by: Bill H at June 17, 2015 05:00 PM (Baojj)

119 In a just world, Germany would foreclose on Greece and evict the current occupants to mitigate the debt.
___________

Yes, it's not as if the Greeks have nothing of value with which to settle the debt.

They have some lovely real estate, some nice art, etc.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 17, 2015 05:00 PM (o8Gus)

120 >>The nation is just Amusing Ourselves to Death.<<

I hope we don't go blind. I've heard you can go blind if you amuse yourself too much.

Posted by: MacGruber at June 17, 2015 05:00 PM (C278+)

121
As far as I know, here are exactly all the economic/welfare/spending reforms the Greek govt has done since its collapse:










Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at June 17, 2015 05:00 PM (cCGjf)

122 Yield on 10 year Greek bonds is 13%. lol

Posted by: chemjeff at June 17, 2015 05:00 PM (2ap0X)

123
Greece to pull out of Germany's moneymakers.

Posted by: Transnaturalfake - naturalfake who identifies as naturalfake at June 17, 2015 05:00 PM (0cMkb)

124 The Russians aren't coming here first. Those countries who depend upon us for their protection are in a nasty way ahead of us.

Posted by: just saying at June 17, 2015 05:00 PM (wkuqO)

125 Gotta get your ships there first, chief.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12 at June 17, 2015 04:54 PM (2l5vw)

Black Sea Fleet goes through Turkish Straits to the Aegean as they please, as far as I know.

I don't think Turkey has ever (or would ever) deny passage.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 17, 2015 05:00 PM (AkOaV)

126 Then they could devalue their drachma to the point where they can make their lavish pension payments, and still pay off creditors if they need to.

------

How does devaluing the drachma help them pay off creditors?

Posted by: Seems Legit at June 17, 2015 05:01 PM (A98Xu)

127 Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 17, 2015 04:59 PM (CxEX+)

Same way in Egypt.

Posted by: wrg500 at June 17, 2015 05:01 PM (sgrzZ)

128 Turkey may be in NATO, but as far as them being a US ally T don't think so

Posted by: Yo! at June 17, 2015 05:01 PM (q+zA9)

129 I hope we don't go blind. I've heard you can go blind if you amuse yourself too much.

Posted by: MacGruber at June 17, 2015 05:00 PM (C278+)

Maybe. But there is no way in hell I am pledging allegiance to a testicle.

Posted by: flounder at June 17, 2015 05:01 PM (ecDRv)

130 117
Would Russia be able to use some Greek stadiums for the next World Cup?

Posted by: SH at June 17, 2015 05:00 PM (gmeXX)

Yeah, think about that. The poor dumb Greeks are STILL paying the bonds on that disaster.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 17, 2015 05:01 PM (0FSuD)

131 Announcer: Default...the only economic plan approved of by Yiayia.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 17, 2015 05:01 PM (h4vJk)

132 Germany
should never have made the last several loans, and in a rational world
Greece would have been kicked out of the Euro monetary agreement years
ago.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 17, 2015 04:57 PM (AkOaV)

One of my favorite aphorisms: "the wise man does immediately what the fool does eventually."
Here, go straight to the bottom line: Greece has got to go. Period. So does the Euro. Just shitcan them both now and get it over with. Then resolve not to be so stupid and starry-eyed in the future. (I know that that's an impossibility for Europeans, but it had to be said regardless.)

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2015 05:02 PM (oKE6c)

133 Welcome to Great Depression 2: Socialist Boogaloo

Posted by: The Boogalooing Hat at June 17, 2015 05:02 PM (7YlUk)

134
When the Western world and some in the Greek govt a few years ago said that spending cuts were necessary, do you remember what happened?

The Greeks rioted. I mean protested.

So that was that regarding the spending cuts.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at June 17, 2015 05:02 PM (cCGjf)

135 Wow- and I thought I was the only one who didn't read before commenting.
Posted by: Bill H at June 17, 2015 05:00 PM (Baojj)

No, no, I never read.

Why? What did I miss? I thought we were just speculating on what the meeting between Putin and the Greek guy with a stupid last name was going to be about.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 17, 2015 05:02 PM (AkOaV)

136 Germans ain't going to "lend" Greece more money, and the odds of French or Italians accepting to pay for Athens' debts are below zero.

Drachma time, baby.
And then, Zimbabwe time. What fun.

Posted by: Lark at June 17, 2015 05:02 PM (iUWpx)

137 But President Hillary has a reset button when Greece falls.

Posted by: dantesed at June 17, 2015 05:03 PM (88xKn)

138 It's not ships I'm worried about. It's aircraft.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 17, 2015 04:55 PM (659DL)

The Russians have those things called missiles as well. Nice to have a lot of unsinkable platforms.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 17, 2015 05:03 PM (5f5bM)

139 @113 - I dunno. The Germans are getting very tired of this, and they know that if the Euro pops they're not going to be the losers. They could comfortably do a deal with some of the central/eastern countries - Czech, Slovakia, Poland, Slovenia, the Baltics - to ensure they've got a trading zone and places to make stuff cheap.

It's the countries living way above their means - hi, Froggie! - that need to fear Grexit.

Posted by: JEM (sometimes The Devoceleraptor) at June 17, 2015 05:03 PM (o+SC1)

140 111 So Rachel's x was a physical fitness instructor and they made a sex tape.
Posted by: Nip Sip
_______________________

It's tentatively titled "Fifty Shades of Black".

Posted by: Furious George at June 17, 2015 05:04 PM (UlJ3l)

141 103 So will Germany take over the Greek Yogurt Industry?

It will all be replaced by quark.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at June 17, 2015 04:58 PM (ZKzrr

I hope there isn't a shortage of sporks.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 17, 2015 05:04 PM (F2IAQ)

142 103 So will Germany take over the Greek Yogurt Industry?

It will all be replaced by quark.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at June 17, 2015 04:58 PM (ZKzrr

I hope there isn't a shortage of sporks.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 17, 2015 05:04 PM (F2IAQ)

143 127 Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 17, 2015 04:59 PM (CxEX+)

Same way in Egypt.
Posted by: wrg500 at June 17, 2015 05:01 PM (sgrzZ)
Interesting I was told It was that way is because when it was under a dictatorship (Greece) you could not get a mortgage.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 17, 2015 05:04 PM (CxEX+)

144 How does devaluing the drachma help them pay off creditors?
Posted by: Seems Legit at June 17, 2015 05:01 PM (A98Xu)

It helps them to pay their pensions and welfare with devalued currency, and theoretically they should have some money left over to make minimum payments.

It would also depend on how the debt was structured -- if they were allowed to restructure in drachmas, easy. If they had to pay off in Euros, well... Eh.

Germanys not getting its money back.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 17, 2015 05:04 PM (AkOaV)

145 Well on the bright side, when Greece defaults and brings the EU down with it, and then the World economy, that will be the end of any Interest Rate hikes. On 1 on 2 on 3 Hike Hike Hike

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 17, 2015 05:04 PM (/tNwW)

146 While I don't doubt the Germans consider the money stolen, the truth of the matter is if you deliberately loan your money to someone who can't, much less is disinclined to, pay it back, that's on you. It's true of the urban poor, it's true of students, and it's particularly true of governments (including DC) as there's not even the pretense of recourse against them.

Posted by: Methos at June 17, 2015 05:04 PM (ZbV+0)

147 When the only thing you have going for you are ancient ruins, and some fucked up fables, along with a total welfare state, it's time to pack it in and go Mayan. What happened to the Greeks? Ancient aliens?

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at June 17, 2015 05:04 PM (ucDmr)

148 Why Rooskies in Greece? If you control Greece, you control the Med.
Don't know about that, old bean.

Posted by: malta at June 17, 2015 05:04 PM (kivUY)

149 "As far as I know, here are exactly all the economic/welfare/spending reforms the Greek govt has done since its collapse: "


The entire shitty, petulant way the Greek government and people have reacted throughout this whole entire mess is disgraceful. They knew what they were doing, they bought their tickets, I say let 'em crash.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 17, 2015 05:05 PM (LA7Cm)

150 I assume that everyone saw this, right?

https://goo.gl/IcrvKs

Our country is in the best of hands.

Posted by: physics geek at June 17, 2015 05:05 PM (MT22W)

151 So the inevitable Greek dorking of Europe's squeekhole......
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 17, 2015 04:57 PM (vXKGT)


Will Merkle carry around a mattress the rest of her term.

Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at June 17, 2015 05:05 PM (JOG+K)

152 Wait, is Ace trying to tell us something about the Dolozeal Sex Tape?

There's Anal and Scat play, isn't there?

Posted by: Garrett at June 17, 2015 05:05 PM (brBIB)

153 Why? What did I miss?

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Just some comments by people who have a remote understanding of history (such as yourself) who is living in the past and doesn't seem to get that its a new world order in the 21st century.

Posted by: SH at June 17, 2015 05:05 PM (gmeXX)

154
Funnily enough a few times i n the past few years I have remarked here in the comments to you, my peeps, if anyone else has noticed how major stories (such as the Greek collapse and ebola and ISIS) simply fade out of the news cycle while still very much unresolved.

NONE of our major problems get resolved today we have No Leadership Anywhere. But climate change...

Climate change and new sexual identity rule changes is what you get from government leaders when they can't really lead.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at June 17, 2015 05:05 PM (cCGjf)

155
So Rachel's x was a physical fitness instructor and they made a sex tape.


Wonder what that will go for?

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 17, 2015 04:59 PM (0FSuD)









When I saw those photos of her in long blond cornrows, I was SURE I'd seen her in an amateur pron vid.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 17, 2015 05:06 PM (vXKGT)

156 Great, Jeb! is emailing me

"Tobias,

Let me first preface this by saying, I'm a big emailer. You're going to be hearing from me a lot. "


Threat noted.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 17, 2015 05:06 PM (evdj2)

157 Posted by: physics geek at June 17, 2015 05:05 PM (MT22W)

hahahaha oh boy.

Of course.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 17, 2015 05:06 PM (AkOaV)

158 How does devaluing the drachma help them pay off creditors?

Posted by: Seems Legit at June 17, 2015 05:01 PM (A98Xu)

Greek stuff is cheaper to export, so they put people to work and have tax revenues to service their debt. I know, it's a stretch, but that's always been the IMF theory behind devaluations.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 17, 2015 05:06 PM (5f5bM)

159 I'd be interested in hearing from those better informed as to whether the Russians really CAN bail Greece out.

I mean, it might not entirely be a bad idea to LET the Russians have a financial sinkhole and a port their fleet can't get out of without running a gauntlet.

We've done that shit before, and it worked before.

Posted by: JEM (sometimes The Devoceleraptor) at June 17, 2015 05:07 PM (o+SC1)

160 150 I assume that everyone saw this, right?

https://goo.gl/IcrvKs

Our country is in the best of hands.
Posted by: physics geek at June 17, 2015 05:05 PM (MT22W)

---Isn't that effing treason?

Posted by: Seems Legit at June 17, 2015 05:07 PM (A98Xu)

161 By the way, how does kicking a tiny broke socialist country out of the EU kills the whole union, exactly?

Posted by: Lark at June 17, 2015 05:07 PM (iUWpx)

162 The Russians have those things called missiles as well. Nice to have a lot of unsinkable platforms.

There is that. (Wonder if it will happen with the idea that "We're trying to help protect you from Islam, we have a common enemy, blahblah" as the whole Third Rome idea comes back around for another swing...)

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12 at June 17, 2015 05:07 PM (2l5vw)

163 It's a feta compli!

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 17, 2015 05:07 PM (2cS/G)

164 Greece is defaulting, the Fed is going to raise rates, and Obola says the eceonomy is booming.

we are SO fucked.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 17, 2015 05:07 PM (pZtrP)

165 Just some comments by people who have a remote understanding of history (such as yourself) who is living in the past and doesn't seem to get that its a new world order in the 21st century.
Posted by: SH at June 17, 2015 05:05 PM (gmeXX)

Oh okay, so not much then?

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 17, 2015 05:07 PM (AkOaV)

166 Ace the last I saw was that the majority of the Greek debt was backed by the IMF. The largest contributer to the IMF is not Germany, it is us, the good old USA. We will get stuck on this one and fk Greece and the Russians.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 17, 2015 05:07 PM (GpgJl)

167 >>What happened to the Greeks? Ancient aliens?
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at June 17, 2015 05:04 PM (ucDmr) <<

All the Greeks with enterprise and a good work ethic came to America.

Posted by: MacGruber at June 17, 2015 05:07 PM (C278+)

168 They knew what they were doing, they bought their tickets, I say let 'em crash.

Yeah, I've got the same amount of sympathy for Greece as I have for those stupid bints who borrowed $200K for their Poetry Studies degree at Quaint Small Private Liberal Arts School (loans not just for tuition but also SPRING BREAK!!! and lattes and iPhones--can't have a College Experience without that stuff, right?).

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at June 17, 2015 05:08 PM (ZKzrr)

169
Does anyone here think ebola is no longer a threat??

Of course not, because You people are not dumb. But since ebola is no longer in the news, Dumb People think government made it all better.

Ebola will be back...

because it never really went away, ...did it?

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at June 17, 2015 05:08 PM (cCGjf)

170

Greece: We Peaked 2300 Years Early

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 17, 2015 05:08 PM (kdS6q)

171 Who the fuck is running this country? FFS, this is a mess.

Posted by: Seems Legit at June 17, 2015 05:08 PM (A98Xu)

172 I wonder if the Horde can work a deal for the island of Lesbos as a sanctuary?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 17, 2015 05:08 PM (FsuaD)

173 By the way, how does kicking a tiny broke socialist country out of the EU kills the whole union, exactly?

Posted by: Lark at June 17, 2015 05:07 PM (iUWpx)


Economic dominoes.

Posted by: The Domino Hat at June 17, 2015 05:08 PM (7YlUk)

174 By the way, how does kicking a tiny broke socialist country out of the EU kills the whole union, exactly?

Posted by: Lark at June 17, 2015 05:07 PM (iUWpx)


Economic dominoes.

Posted by: The Domino Hat at June 17, 2015 05:08 PM (7YlUk)

175 It's a feta compli!

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 17, 2015 05:07 PM


*golf clap*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 17, 2015 05:08 PM (h4vJk)

176 Just some comments by people who have a remote understanding of history (such as yourself) who is living in the past and doesn't seem to get that its a new world order in the 21st century.

I mean, you can't just go around redrawing maps, you know.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 17, 2015 05:08 PM (659DL)

177 So if Greece defaults, can my friend that I am asking for also do that?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 17, 2015 05:08 PM (/tNwW)

178 Posted by: Lark at June 17, 2015 05:07 PM (iUWpx)

Domino effect.

Posted by: Cruzinator at June 17, 2015 05:08 PM (rxtQa)

179 Well at least it will be cheap to go on a vacation there, The islands are nice but I hate Athens it is so damn crowded.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 17, 2015 05:08 PM (CxEX+)

180 The Burning Cheese Times are nigh.

Posted by: Garrett at June 17, 2015 05:08 PM (brBIB)

181 Posted by: SH at June 17, 2015 05:05 PM (gmeXX)


Hey, wait a minute... was that a thinly veiled insult?

Not nice, SH, not nice...

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 17, 2015 05:09 PM (AkOaV)

182 Ebola will be back...

because it never really went away, ...did it?

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at June 17, 2015 05:08 PM (cCGjf)


*waves*

Posted by: Ebola-chan at June 17, 2015 05:09 PM (7YlUk)

183 Maybe Trump can buy greece then he could run that Country any way he wanted?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 17, 2015 05:09 PM (/tNwW)

184 167: Very very true. That country is fucked to hell and back. They just don't know it.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at June 17, 2015 05:10 PM (ucDmr)

185 The entire shitty, petulant way the Greek government
and people have reacted throughout this whole entire mess is
disgraceful. They knew what they were doing, they bought their tickets,
I say let 'em crash.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 17, 2015 05:05 PM (LA7Cm)


In my more fatalistic moments I think everyone individually and collectively has a certain amount of suffering to do. The Greeks just put off all of theirs, but they're about to encounter the day of reckoning.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2015 05:10 PM (oKE6c)

186 Once upon a time, NATO was formed, essentially to keep Greece out of the Soviet Union's sphere of influence. It is not an exaggeration to say that if Greece hadn't been in play, there might never have been a Cold War.

And now, we're giving it away.

I'm not suggesting a course of action here, just noting it.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 17, 2015 05:10 PM (TOk1P)

187 All the Greeks with enterprise and a good work ethic came to America.

Posted by: MacGruber at June 17, 2015 05:07 PM (C278+)

Add risk taking versus risk averse as traits. I actually have that genetic theory about all of our countries of origin. It explains a lot.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 17, 2015 05:10 PM (5f5bM)

188 It's the Broken Plate economic fallacy in action.

Posted by: andycanuck at June 17, 2015 05:10 PM (kivUY)

189

Troy: Payback is a Bitch

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 17, 2015 05:10 PM (kdS6q)

190 @150

You have got to fcuking shitting me. They gave them the keys.


Top people!

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 17, 2015 05:10 PM (0FSuD)

191 "Ebola will be back...

because it never really went away, ...did it?"



Mwahahahahahaha!

Posted by: Ebola at June 17, 2015 05:10 PM (LA7Cm)

192 @150 - not at all surprising.

Posted by: JEM (sometimes The Devoceleraptor) at June 17, 2015 05:10 PM (o+SC1)

193
Greece is not a modern country.
Any country where you can not flush your TP, but have to put in the bin is not a great place to vacay to either

Posted by: Yo! at June 17, 2015 05:10 PM (q+zA9)

194
in b4 baklava??

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at June 17, 2015 05:11 PM (cCGjf)

195 I picture a great increase in greasy Hamburger joints in the States. Cheeseburger Cheeseburger Cheeseburger . Pepsi No Coke.

Posted by: Cruzinator at June 17, 2015 05:11 PM (rxtQa)

196 Hey, wait a minute... was that a thinly veiled insult?

-----

At all of us. We are all just amateurs compared to that professional constitutional scholar and historian in the WH.

Posted by: SH at June 17, 2015 05:11 PM (gmeXX)

197 Speaking of Greece and thus gay sex and such:

Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush did not rule out transgender troops serving in the military during comments on the campaign trail in Iowa.

Im sure theres a role for everybody to play in the armed forces, said Bush, a 2016 White House contender, according to BuzzFeed News.

Another reason NOT to vote for that fuck. Clueless

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 17, 2015 05:11 PM (/tNwW)

198 25 I genuinely have to wonder what happens when/if Russia/China decide to attack the US via Mexico (or somewhere else). The coasts are pretty much run by leftist pussies so they'll surrender hard and fast. But once they start moving inland, there's a whooooooole lotta people with guns and bad tempers.

Of course, that may just be me thinking positive. See you in the labor camps, comrades!
Posted by: sans_sheriff at June 17, 2015 04:46 PM (dBAgi)

Wolverines!

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Bob Crane's Porno Beret at June 17, 2015 05:11 PM (GaQ+K)

199 port their fleet can't get out of without running a gauntlet.


What gauntlet? They get a base in Greece they control the Eastern Med. Who challenges them? Turkey? No way. They have a base in Syria on the south and put a base in Greece or Crete which is split between Turkey and Greece they control the eastern half of the med. and Black Sea.

Posted by: wrg500 at June 17, 2015 05:11 PM (sgrzZ)

200 Well I WOULD be paying attention too - and posting insightful and erudite comments about - the the great issues of our day but the sidebar has Ashe Schow talking "sex" and "bewb" so...


I forgot.


She reminds me of a better looking Band-Camp Girl, the naughty minx.

What were we talking about?

Posted by: TJ Camper at June 17, 2015 05:11 PM (7d8Ef)

201
The solution to Greece's economic woes:

baklava-flavored ice coffee

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at June 17, 2015 05:11 PM (cCGjf)

202 Atomic explosions. Atomic explosions all over the world. It will be glorious.

Posted by: Null at June 17, 2015 05:11 PM (xjpRj)

203 Maybe Trump can buy greece then he could run that Country any way he wanted?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 17, 2015 05:09 PM (/tNwW)


Nah, there would be no one for him to fire, because nobody works already.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 17, 2015 05:12 PM (TOk1P)

204 In my more fatalistic moments I think everyone
individually and collectively has a certain amount of suffering to do.
The Greeks just put off all of theirs, but they're about to encounter
the day of reckoning.


Posted by: Jay Guevara


Indeed. It's playing out like a........Greek tragedy.

Posted by: pep at June 17, 2015 05:12 PM (LAe3v)

205 Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush did not rule out transgender troops serving in the military

Do we have a number big enough for where this ranks on the current list of national priorities?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 17, 2015 05:12 PM (659DL)

206 Can we stock up on baklava?

Posted by: Adriane the Ethnic Cuisine Critic ... at June 17, 2015 05:12 PM (nSOh+)

207 @190 - that OPM head Archuleta was a Denver public-school teacher who (I suspect) used her union-activist cred to worm into the Federico Pena mayoralty, she's been an 'assistant' or an 'advisor' to a bunch of Democrat hacks since, she's no executive, no administrator, she's a pure affirmative-action checks-the-boxes hire.

Posted by: JEM (sometimes The Devoceleraptor) at June 17, 2015 05:13 PM (o+SC1)

208 What gauntlet? They get a base in Greece they control the Eastern Med. Who challenges them? Turkey? No way. They have a base in Syria on the south and put a base in Greece or Crete which is split between Turkey and Greece they control the eastern half of the med. and Black Sea.
Posted by: wrg500 at June 17, 2015 05:11 PM (sgrzZ)

Well first the'd have to have a fully functioning Navy

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 17, 2015 05:13 PM (/tNwW)

209
Indeed. It's playing out like a........Greek tragedy.
Posted by: pep at June 17, 2015 05:12 PM (LAe3v)

Putin Ex Machina ?

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Bob Crane's Porno Beret at June 17, 2015 05:13 PM (GaQ+K)

210 Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 17, 2015 05:08 PM (FsuaD)

For two hundred bucks you could probably buy a small Greek town by now.

But yeah, most Greeks literally asked for this:
- "The economy is going to shit! What do we do now?"
- "I know, let's put friggin Marxists in power!"
- "Genius!"

Posted by: Lark at June 17, 2015 05:13 PM (iUWpx)

211 Any country where you can not flush your TP, but have to put in the bin is not a great place to vacay to either

Posted by: Yo! at June 17, 2015 05:10 PM (q+zA9)

What's the exchange rate between the drachma and used TP? 1:1?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2015 05:13 PM (oKE6c)

212 I sincerely believe that those hired in the Obama administration, including that idiot Obama himself, had no idea they actually had to make decisions and do things. Hard things.

They had no idea running the super power was really fricken difficult.

Posted by: Seems Legit at June 17, 2015 05:13 PM (A98Xu)

213 Posted by: SH at June 17, 2015 05:11 PM (gmeXX)

Oh okay. I thought you were calling my knowledge of history "remote" which is a strange word choice, but not going to argue with you there. Lots of history out there, mostly in books without pictures, so yeah, my knowledge of Russian history is not THAT extensive.

I do know they've been bonering about a warm water port since Catherine the Great though.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 17, 2015 05:14 PM (AkOaV)

214
Another reason NOT to vote for that fuck. Clueless

If Juan Ellis Bush is starting out center-left, imagine how left-ward he'll move after the nomination, (which he'll never win).

Juan Ellis will be to the left of herr hillary by the election day.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at June 17, 2015 05:14 PM (cCGjf)

215 I will gladly pay your Tuesday, my friend, for a hamburger today.

Posted by: Wimpietopolis at June 17, 2015 05:14 PM (evdj2)

216 Are you ready?!?!

Posted by: The Are You Ready Guy at June 17, 2015 05:14 PM (U0SEh)

217 Well first the'd have to have a fully functioning Navy

Air. Not sea.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 17, 2015 05:14 PM (659DL)

218 Nah, there would be no one for him to fire, because nobody works already.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 17, 2015 05:12 PM (TOk1P)

Then he can break it up and sell it piece meal and really make some money on the deal

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 17, 2015 05:14 PM (/tNwW)

219 What gauntlet? They get a base in Greece they
control the Eastern Med. Who challenges them? Turkey? No way. They have a
base in Syria on the south and put a base in Greece or Crete which is
split between Turkey and Greece they control the eastern half of the
med. and Black Sea.

Posted by: wrg500 at June 17, 2015 05:11 PM (sgrzZ)

Cyprus is also a gimme at that point (at least the southern part, not the Turk-occupied part). And if you're Serbia, it's nice to have a friend in the neighborhood. Bosnia, Croatia, and Albania, not so much.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 17, 2015 05:14 PM (5f5bM)

220 AAAARGH!!!

Millennials speaking again! Make the stooopid stop!!!!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 17, 2015 05:14 PM (h4vJk)

221 Have the Greeks done anything worthwhile in the last two millennia?

Posted by: Garrett

Well there is their yogurt and awesome gyros.

Posted by: Cheri at June 17, 2015 05:14 PM (ZFPMM)

222 Sorry, but I don't get what Russia gains by having a port in Greece when their economy is imploding. Nice sunsets don't pay the bills.

They can be dicks, sure, because Russians always are, but that's about the extent of it.

I'm pretty sure Boris and Tanya would prefer to have another serving of borscht over bailing out a bunch of profligate Greeks.

Posted by: pep at June 17, 2015 05:14 PM (LAe3v)

223 Indeed. It's playing out like a........Greek tragedy.


Posted by: pep at June 17, 2015 05:12 PM (LAe3v)


"Paging Nemesis. Will Nemesis please come to the white courtesy phone?"

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2015 05:15 PM (oKE6c)

224 But yeah, most Greeks literally asked for this:
- "The economy is going to shit! What do we do now?"
- "I know, let's put friggin Marxists in power!"
- "Genius!"
Posted by: Lark at June 17, 2015 05:13 PM (iUWpx)

Sounds like a plan to me

Posted by: Bernie Sanders at June 17, 2015 05:15 PM (/tNwW)

225 Well first the'd have to have a fully functioning Navy

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 17, 2015 05:13 PM (/tNwW)

They have enough there now to make things pretty dicey.

Posted by: wrg500 at June 17, 2015 05:15 PM (sgrzZ)

226 Greece needs to leave the Euro. It's a nice
country, the people can live a pleasant 2nd world life there. Eating
and drinking, living in 200 year old houses in quaint villages, dancing
on the beach. They just don't have the industry and productive nature
to live like the Scandi-infected Northern Europeans.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at June 17, 2015 04:52 PM (evdj2)

Everyone needs to leave the Euro (or at least the overweening regulatory parts, non-free trade, parts of the Euro). It was an ill conceived abrogation of national sovereignty when it started and it has only gotten worse since.

Posted by: redbanzai at June 17, 2015 05:15 PM (OrI3J)

227 220
AAAARGH!!!



Millennials speaking again! Make the stooopid stop!!!!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 17, 2015 05:14 PM (h4vJk)


*sends concussion grenade thru USB port*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 17, 2015 05:15 PM (FsuaD)

228 BUT writing Germany a check to pay off Greeces debt doesn't really stick it to NATO, does it?

No, but sticking a bunch of Russian troops in Greece and (maybe) writing a smaller check to the Greeks while telling Germany to go blow does.

Posted by: Methos at June 17, 2015 05:16 PM (ZbV+0)

229 You row! No, you row!

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 17, 2015 05:16 PM (2cS/G)

230 They had no idea running the super power was really fricken difficult.

Posted by: Seems Legit at June 17, 2015 05:13 PM (A98Xu)

They didn't care. It was always all about taking stuff from "those people" and giving it to "our people." That's all it's ever been about. Well, and increasing the number of "our people" to cement a permanent majority.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 17, 2015 05:16 PM (5f5bM)

231
Greece is like that relative you have, you know the one, who is irresponsible with money and constantly has his/her hand out and will never change.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at June 17, 2015 05:16 PM (cCGjf)

232 They have enough there now to make things pretty dicey.
Posted by: wrg500 at June 17, 2015 05:15 PM (sgrzZ)

Nah not really. Other than their nuclear subs

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 17, 2015 05:16 PM (/tNwW)

233
Greece aligns with Russia and they'll be kicked out of NATO. Then Turkey will eat Greece's lunch for breakfast.

Russia can't afford to be Greece's new Sugar Daddy, but thems the breaks.

Posted by: Speller at June 17, 2015 05:16 PM (hHs1b)

234 Greece exit plan: ass to mouth.

Posted by: wooga at June 17, 2015 05:16 PM (u8L7k)

235 Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 17, 2015 05:14 PM (5f5bM)

Cyprus was what I was thinking about not Crete.

Posted by: wrg500 at June 17, 2015 05:16 PM (sgrzZ)

236 *sends concussion grenade thru USB port*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 17, 2015 05:15 PM


*catches* Not a moment too soon.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 17, 2015 05:16 PM (h4vJk)

237 nood flaming skull

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 17, 2015 05:16 PM (GpgJl)

238 Nude OPP

Posted by: flounder at June 17, 2015 05:16 PM (ecDRv)

239 I never sleep.

Posted by: ebola at June 17, 2015 05:17 PM (kivUY)

240 >>Albania, not so much



Albania.
Europe's Mexico.

Posted by: Garrett at June 17, 2015 05:17 PM (brBIB)

241 Juan Ellis will be to the left of herr hillary by the election day.
Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at June 17, 2015 05:14 PM

Its called cunnilingus

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 17, 2015 05:17 PM (F2IAQ)

242 Isn't Greece on the metric system? What's the problem?

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at June 17, 2015 05:17 PM (ucDmr)

243 "I pledge allegiance to the Meme of the Viral States of America. And to
the Listicle, for which it LOLs, one tweetstorm, under Buzzfeed, with liberty license and gawker for all."

There. That's more accurate and less Old Dead White Dudes.

Posted by: Doomed at June 17, 2015 05:17 PM (bGLSw)

244 the people can live a pleasant 2nd world life there.


The Second World wasn't halfway in between the First and Third Worlds; it was the Communist nations. So "Second World" juxtaposed with "pleasant" is a non-starter.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2015 05:17 PM (oKE6c)

245
And when you ask that relative what they did with the last $$ you gave them they get all defensive and tell you to m.y.o.b. and stop trying to control them!!

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at June 17, 2015 05:17 PM (cCGjf)

246 Every whiny Greece supporter concludes their rants with.

"Yes, we Greeks avoid our taxes, but.........not our fault"

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Bob Crane's Porno Beret at June 17, 2015 05:17 PM (GaQ+K)

247 I wonder if the Horde can work a deal for the island of Lesbos as a sanctuary?
You'll have to talk to me about that!

Posted by: hilllary at June 17, 2015 05:18 PM (kivUY)

248 @166

Here is who owns Greeces debt

http://tinyurl.com/7ko95ml

IMF Holds about 15billion

Posted by: Kreplach at June 17, 2015 05:18 PM (AtR8s)

249 not our fault"

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Bob Crane's Porno Beret at June 17, 2015 05:17 PM (GaQ+K)


And therein lies the problem, in three words.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 17, 2015 05:18 PM (oKE6c)

250 Oh okay. I thought you were calling my knowledge of history "remote" which is a strange word choice, but not going to argue with you there. Lots of history out there, mostly in books without pictures, so yeah, my knowledge of Russian history is not THAT extensive.

I do know they've been bonering about a warm water port since Catherine the Great though.

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No I would not say that. I like sparring and commenting with you. We see eye to eye - but can sometimes disagree on certain things. I'm sure your knowledge far exceeds mine. I was being sarcastic - but I used the singular form when I mean to be more inclusive in that post.

Russia is not a 20th c problem. They have been a problem for the West for the past 500 years. The Soviet Union was just mother Russia expansion under the ideology of communism. Defeating communism didn't defeat Russia. You don't really defeat her. She always comes back. The bear always exists. Sometimes the bear is strong and sometimes the bear is weak. But the bear is always there.

Posted by: SH at June 17, 2015 05:18 PM (gmeXX)

251 Russians wouldn't be sending any cash to Germany, they would provide operating cash for the Greeks. Then the Greeks could negotiate their euro debt for hundred years.

Of course, being Putin's bitch will be a different game than dealing with the Euros. First step will be to hire a food taster.

Posted by: Jean at June 17, 2015 05:18 PM (ztOda)

252 Albania.

Europe's Mexico.

Posted by: Garrett at June 17, 2015 05:17 PM (brBIB)

Well, at least Mexico has no muslims (so far).

Posted by: Lark at June 17, 2015 05:19 PM (iUWpx)

253 Bottom. Men.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 17, 2015 05:19 PM (W5DcG)

254 Nah not really. Other than their nuclear subs

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 17, 2015 05:16 PM (/tNwW)

Again who would try to roll them back? Obama? Right, no way in hell. France, Britain nope.

Posted by: wrg500 at June 17, 2015 05:19 PM (sgrzZ)

255 Speaking of amusing ourselves to death.....did anyone just see the pissing match between Eric Bolling and Dana Perino while discussing the Trumpster on the Five? Got pretty tense for a minute.

Posted by: c6dave at June 17, 2015 05:19 PM (3ewID)

256 172 I wonder if the Horde can work a deal for the island of Lesbos as a sanctuary?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 17, 2015 05:08 PM (FsuaD)
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It was decided that it would have to be renamed Busty Lesbos per AoSHQ style guide.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at June 17, 2015 05:19 PM (jR7Wy)

257
According to Yo! Greece smells like Detroit.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at June 17, 2015 05:19 PM (0x/TW)

258 . But the bear is always there

Not if they don't start having some babies.

Posted by: Jean at June 17, 2015 05:19 PM (ztOda)

259 "liberty" is out of place in the revised pledge. It needs to be changed to "social justice", or, as previously mentioned, "kittie vids".

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at June 17, 2015 05:20 PM (nFdGS)

260 Mmm. Gyro.

Posted by: elaine benes at June 17, 2015 05:22 PM (kivUY)

261 Well, at least Mexico has no muslims (so far).
Posted by: Lark at June 17, 2015 05:19 PM (iUWpx)

Albanian muslims have a reputation for being more chilled than other followers of Mo!

The Saudis are helping the poor Albanians by building mosques. Let the beheadings for sorcery begin!

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Bob Crane's Porno Beret at June 17, 2015 05:22 PM (GaQ+K)

262 I sincerely believe that those hired in the Obama administration, including that idiot Obama himself, had no idea they actually had to make decisions and do things. Hard things. They had no idea running the super power was really fricken difficult.
Posted by: Seems Legit at June 17, 2015 05:13 PM (A98Xu)


---------------------------------------


When the plan is to destroy this nation, doing nothing is one of the ways to do it.

Posted by: Soona at June 17, 2015 05:23 PM (P25Hh)

263 Go short on Ouzo.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 17, 2015 05:23 PM (F2IAQ)

264 248 IMF Holds about 15billion

Posted by: Kreplach at June 17, 2015 05:18 PM (AtR8s)

Yes, a lot of big banks loaned them money. But the big banks get guarantees from governments for those loans. That is the way the things work. So if they default to the bank who loaned the money the bank comes to whoever guaranteed the loan. The country acts as a co-signer on the loan and we are stuck with a lot of that shit.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at June 17, 2015 05:24 PM (GpgJl)

265 Does Greece still have a patent on buttsecks? Because maybe they could sell it to Apple.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 17, 2015 05:25 PM (8ZskC)

266
Greece has solved the problem of income inequality.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 17, 2015 05:25 PM (F2IAQ)

267 261
Well, at least Mexico has no muslims (so far).

Posted by: Lark at June 17, 2015 05:19 PM (iUWpx)



Albanian muslims have a reputation for being more chilled than other followers of Mo!


Posted by: The Hobo Wears Bob Crane's Porno Beret at June 17, 2015 05:22 PM (GaQ+K)

Well, half a century of Communists killing Islamic priests sort of does that.

Posted by: Lark at June 17, 2015 05:25 PM (iUWpx)

268 Exit Plan?
We, America, fucked up. We used to have the american dream and now it is dead. If we want to accept as fact we once had it, or at least had the beginnings of something special in freedom and a republic governed by laws of reason and not of mob rule and humankind's baser instincts of deception and corruption then we need to figure out what mistakes were made and correct them?
Otherwise we need to look elsewhere and figure out what is true about the nature of the world and humankind and decide to pursue a new path toward success as a species?
That was the american dream right? We had something like a blueprint for how man was supposed to live?

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The Declaration of Independence: A Transcription

IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of /human events/, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the /Laws of Nature/ and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the /causes which impel them/ to the separation.

What does the opening of the Declaration of Independence actually say? What we're talking about here, right now in this thread is a /human political /event. We disagree with BOTH current american parties about their idea of what are good /laws and the /nature of the world and what we are entitled to as human beings. (it seems to me specifically freedom and personal prosperity.). But we need to start by discussing our /cause.

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The Declaration of Independence: A Transcription

IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

.....

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Can we talk about this again? What do we mean by ...unalienable Rights: /Among these Life Liberty and pursuit of Happiness.
What does this mean to us and all Americans?

Posted by: GuyWhoIS at June 17, 2015 05:26 PM (DjLh9)

269 Posted by: pep at June 17, 2015 05:14 PM (LAe3v)

Because they don't have a reliable port for their Navy that doesn't freeze in the winter.

Except, well, Ukraine and the Kaliningrad Oblast, which is surrounded by, well, less than allies to the Kremlin and is still cold as balls..

But the problem with being in the Black Sea is that you're stuck in the Black Sea if NATO ally Turkey ever grows balls and shuts down the strait to Russian military ships. Don't know if that would realistically happen or not, but that's Russias fear.

SO...

Yeah. Greece.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 17, 2015 05:27 PM (AkOaV)

270 Well, half a century of Communists killing Islamic priests sort of does that.

Didn't work out that way in Chechnya

Posted by: Jean at June 17, 2015 05:28 PM (ztOda)

271 Posted by: SH at June 17, 2015 05:18 PM (gmeXX)

appreciate it. yeah, the Greece thing makes sense to me from the Russian perspective. If they can pull off getting a naval base there.

They've been doing some upgrades to the Black Sea Fleet recently while mostly focusing on the North Sea Fleet. If that changes (more new ships to Black Sea Fleet), then that's a pretty good sign Putins thinking what I think he's thinking right now.

Posted by: mynewhandle at June 17, 2015 05:29 PM (AkOaV)

272 The Russians had Latikia in Syria as their warm water port. Thats looking a bit iffy now, so some sort of deal with Greece would make sense.

Posted by: Jean at June 17, 2015 05:30 PM (ztOda)

273 Jeb Bush did not rule out transgender troops

God couldn't trust him with his equipment why should the Army trust him with ours?

Posted by: DaveA at June 17, 2015 05:31 PM (DL2i+)

274 Why is anyone surprised? That which cannot be repaid, will not be repaid. Too many lenders have forgotten that loans come with risk of non-payment. Due diligence is important.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at June 17, 2015 05:34 PM (amQXf)

275 By the way, how does kicking a tiny broke socialist country out of the EU kills the whole union, exactly?

Leverage. Banks typically require collateral for loans. Greek government debt was some of that collateral. Whoever holds the debt based on Greek government debt can turn around and use *that* as collateral. And so on.

If the value of the Greek debt goes to 0, so does everything built on it. On awful lot of which is paper wealth in Germany.

Once the cross EU loans start popping, there's not much reason to preserve the the union beyond the bureaucrats' desire to own the continent without fighting another world war over it.

Posted by: Methos at June 17, 2015 05:35 PM (ZbV+0)

276 Stealing Germany's money? Germany loaned the money to a known deadbeat? Why? Subsidizing German exports is the right answer Alex.

Germans loaned Greeks money they knew the Greeks couldn't pay back so the Greeks could keep buying German goods. Works great until the bill comes due which it now is.

Don't feel sorry for the Germans. They are going to get what they deserve in the default. Well, almost since they already bailed out their banks and left most of the toxic debt on the ECB's balance sheet.

And so why would Putin want a warm water port? Oh I don't know perhaps it has something to do with the fact that Obama and the neocons tried to steal the one he had in Crimea. Yes folks, the USof A is directly responsible for the overthrow of a democratically elected regime in Ukraine which didn't follow our orders to the letter. So now, faced with being encircled by obviously hostile forces in Ukraine, the Baltics and Poland, Russia is trying to strategically maneuver. The warmongers call it empire building . . . funny it isn't called that when they do it. And what would Putin want . . . maybe a way to pipe gas from Caspian Sea to Europe without having to pay a toll to the US-backed crooks who run Ukraine now.

Posted by: Zorba at June 17, 2015 05:36 PM (2FtFk)

277 269
Posted by: pep at June 17, 2015 05:14 PM (LAe3v)



Because they don't have a reliable port for their Navy that doesn't freeze in the winter.


And? So what if they have a base there? It will be about as useful as Rabaul was to the Japs.

Posted by: pep at June 17, 2015 05:38 PM (LAe3v)

278 I recently asked a German industrialist how long he thought they were going to prop up the Euro.

He replied, "When it is 40% of your market, what else can you do?"

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 17, 2015 05:39 PM (F2IAQ)

279
Albania.
Isn't that the country Weird Al rules?

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at June 17, 2015 05:44 PM (0x/TW)

280 pep, I don't think the Russian big war plans expect much out of their Navy. Its more of the geopolitical stick to wave around and meddle in shit. They know it lasts three days, on the outside, if the big balloon goes up.

Posted by: Jean at June 17, 2015 05:45 PM (ztOda)

281 268
***wow that did not paste properly. Fuck, sorry.
I lost half what I was trying to say. I feel absolute shit about that.
I'm pretty wasted cuz over the past month I've given up on the last bits of being hopeful about the future for our country.

Anyone else share that sentiment?
If we truly are broken as a country we need to figure out what is wrong, and examine the whole concept of America, land of the free. etc. I think it was a good idea, but man we don't have it now.
What I'm saying here is the american dream is dead. It isn't alive with us, inside of Conservatism or with the Tea Party, with Ted Cruz, or with Walker, Rand or Rubio or with god forbid, Sanders or Warren. It's dead, no one has it.
Why and where did we make mistakes?
Figure that out and then decide what action will be the most successful and positive.

Posted by: GuyWhoIS at June 17, 2015 05:49 PM (DjLh9)

282 Stealing Germany's money? Germany loaned the money to a known deadbeat?
Why? Subsidizing German exports is the right answer Alex.


It's worth noting this is much the same mechanism as the fedcoats borrowing money to fund their welfare programs.

Posted by: Methos at June 17, 2015 06:04 PM (ZbV+0)

283 Yeah, I understand Greece is Germany's biggest export market. Them and Monaco.

Posted by: andycanuck at June 17, 2015 06:12 PM (kivUY)

284 I see that Dr. Ron Paul has joined us to spread good cheer and crazy, but mostly crazy.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 17, 2015 06:12 PM (plsiE)

285 Late to the thread but it was *always* that cocksucker Tspiras' plan to cause chaos with an exit and get Putin in. His girlfriend/mother of his child is an outright radical communist (KKE) Anyone with any sense saw that Tspiras was a wolf in sheep's clothing, but the idiots -- who made up the majority -- are getting what they voted for

Posted by: Dancing Queen at June 17, 2015 06:18 PM (nJvB1)

286 281, 286 et al

We've been leaving the light on for you...
Signed,

........ a certain confederation

Posted by: Montgomery , Alabama at June 17, 2015 06:23 PM (7GI9v)

287 good advice: Don't eat the gyros on Mykonos.


If you do, ye won't sh*t right for a week afterwards.

Posted by: Goth Fonzie at June 17, 2015 06:28 PM (8CdUx)

288 Yeah, I understand Greece is Germany's biggest export market. Them and Monaco.

I think they meant the whole of the EU, pretty much all of which is being supported by German lending, just not to the extent Greece was.

Posted by: Methos at June 17, 2015 06:31 PM (ZbV+0)

289 Updated: 5:51 p.m.
The House is set to vote Thursday on Trade Promotion Authority, with GOP leaders employing procedural maneuvers and indirect promises to make sure the bill eventually gets signed into law.
Pro-trade lawmakers are moving ahead with a vote on TPA without Trade Adjustment Assistance, which aids U.S. workers displaced by international trade.
The success of their plan hinges on whether Democrats who voted for TPA will still support that measure without immediate certainty they'll also get TAA, which trade opponents voted down on June 12 to derail the entire package.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at June 17, 2015 06:50 PM (MbrzC)

290 281 - Anyone else share that sentiment?
----
Yes only I came to that conclusion long before last month.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at June 17, 2015 06:52 PM (MbrzC)

291 Still time to reach a negotiated bridge loan.

Posted by: Ualam Godfrie at June 17, 2015 07:02 PM (UCPJd)

292 Have the Greeks done anything worthwhile in the last two millennia?

Posted by: Garrett at June 17, 2015 04:51 PM (brBIB)



Do you count the Byzantine Empire? Although technically they just took over the eastern half of the Roman Empire.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 17, 2015 07:08 PM (DiZBp)

293 Oh I don't know perhaps it has something to do with the fact that Obama and the neocons tried to steal the one he had in Crimea. Yes folks, the USof A is directly responsible for the overthrow of a democratically elected regime in Ukraine which didn't follow our orders to the letter.


Ha!

Posted by: The Goat at June 17, 2015 07:09 PM (rwI+c)

294 does the Bundeswehr even HAVE an entire mechanized division that's up to TO&E and operable?

It's like some of the Battalions in the British Guards regiments - a battalion in name, but only a company on the TO&E. The Brits do it to keep honors and lineage alive.

Posted by: Fox2! at June 17, 2015 09:37 PM (brIR5)

295 33 Bills? Who pays bills?
Posted by: Sphynx at June 17, 2015 04:47 PM (OZmbA)



Word.

Posted by: Lee Siegel at June 17, 2015 10:39 PM (z5jjB)

296 "I genuinely have to wonder what happens when/if Russia/China decide to attack the US via Mexico (or somewhere else)."

I genuinely wonder how in the hell the Russians and Chinese could sustain a transoceanic supply line to one of the worst doomed-to-be-poor places in the world, sufficient to support a force package powerful enough to attempt an invasion of a country the size of the United States.

Posted by: Darth Cobalt Shiva at June 18, 2015 12:24 AM (F2i9w)

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