Megyn Kelly, Shooting Down Bill O'Reilly's Cowardly Stance on the Garland Shooting: "Should We Get Rid of All the Jews, Too?"

O'Reilly is a pretty thoughtless man, given to the sort of rantings of the Lunchbucket Philosopher, basing his philosophy not on Judeo-Christian teachings, as he never tired of cliche-ing, but on his visceral gut reactions.

Do I like this? Do I not like this? Does this bother me in my gut?

I knock Megyn Kelly for being part of the smug Upper Middle Class Consensus, which is essentially a center-left worldview, even among alleged conservatives, but she's also, unlike Bill O'Reilly, a smart and cutting thinker who is more than capable of thinking in terms of abstraction and cool reasoning, and here she takes heated exception to Bill O'Reily's cowardly carping about Ms. Gellar and how he wouldn't have made the point in quite that way.

Oh? We're criticizing Ms. Gellar, a woman who was just the subject of a jihadi assassination attempt and who may well be a marked woman for the rest of her life, on niggling matters of tone and style?

And we need to do this now? We need to trot out the smug and absolutely unexamined, absolutely thoughtless vanities of Upper Middle Class Respectability and attack Ms. Gellar for not doing it in quite the way we would have, even as, in all likelihood, she scrambles to find long-term security to protect her life?

For drawing a cartoon?

This has been stewing in me since yesterday. It's not just that the left is questioning Ms. Gellar in this; that much I expected.

It's that so much of the right is rushing to join them, and thereby Signal that they have Value per the norms established by the leftist politico-media consensus.

I do wish to not overly attack people I like and genuinely respect; but when I read, for example, Jamie Kirchick, a normally dependable guy and someone I've met slightly, and like well enough, spending 700 words of an 800 word column talking up how base he thinks Pam Gellar is in a column allegedly defending her right to free speech, instead of, you know, actually defending her right to free speech, I become despairing, because if this is all the defense the alleged defenders of Free Speech can muster, then we have no right to free speech.

This is about class. This is all about class.

This is about, specifically, the careerist, cowardly, go-along-to-get-along mores of the Upper Middle Class, the class of people whose parents were all college educated, and of course are college educated themselves; the class that dominates our thought-transmitting institutions (because non-college educated people are more of less shut out of this industry).

It is a class which is deathly afraid of social stigma, and lives in class-based fear being grouped with the wrong people, and which is more interested in Career, quite frankly, than in the actual tradecraft of that Career, which is clarity of thought and clarity of expression.

Thus, our institutions of thought propagation are dominated by the very people who can be easily cowed by the Social Justice Warriors, and who will, therefore, adjust their speech in order to not run afoul of the thoughtless -- and frequently lunatic -- thugs of the censorious left.

The very people we need to be most immune to the menaces of stigma, and the blandishments of career advancement, are, due to the absolute primacy of the Upper Middle Class imperative of advancing one's career and avoiding scandal, stigma, and controversy, the very people most sensitive to such distortions.

Here are the simple facts of the matter, with no need of maligning Ms. Gellar:

Ms. Gellar believes, as almost all on the right claim to believe, that free speech should in fact be free, but that speech is not in fact free, due to the intolerable threats of a determined and lunatic religious minority set on imposing their alien laws of blasphemy against us.

Ms. Gellar acts, as almost all on the right claim that we should act, in defiance of benighted, medieval religious zealots who would forbid her from acting by threat of violence.

Ms. Gellar was, along with all her fellow confreres, the target of an actual assassination plot by heavily-armed jihadists determined to murder her and others present for daring to act like Americans while within the borders of the state formerly called America.

These are the facts. We need not add more to these facts simply to Signal our continuing loyalty to the Upper Middle Class consensus that keeps us employed and welcome at DC functions.

But if we were to add something more personal about Ms. Gellar at this moment, this moment when the echoes of the bullets intended to kill her still ring in the air, we could say the following:

Ms. Gellar is fearless.

Ms. Gellar, for whatever reason, is utterly immune to the thuggish enforcements of conformity imposed by the Social Justice Warrior and their publicity department, which we know as the legacy media.

Ms. Gellar chose to remain adamant about beliefs she formed after 9/11 -- beliefs that most of us once had, at least for a time -- even as many of us walked away from such beliefs, whether because we believed our initial reactions to 9/11 were overreactions, or because, as in many of our cases, the social costs of keeping on with a 9/12 mentality proved too high, so it became easier to subsume ourselves into the warm, soporific bath of the leftist-dominated Politico-Media Consensus.

That is to say, when many of us -- and here I include myself -- chose to stop talking so much about the Islamist threat, not because the Islamist threat had receded, but because the social tolerance for talking about the Islamist threat receded into almost nothing, Pam Gellar soldiered on, unbowed.

Now, as a personal matter, I have had sharp differences with Ms. Gellar. We do not get along.

But this is entirely besides the point.

Americans, acting under the influence of America, were fucking shot at by crazed religious cultists seeking to impose a cancerous religious lunacy on America.

One does not "support" someone's right to free speech by name-calling them and advertising how far one believes they fall outside the smug Upper Middle Class (leftist-dominated) Consensus.

One supports free speech by supporting those who speak freely.

I am so disgusted by how so many alleged thinkers seem to care more about social positioning than actual thought.

I should not advertise any hostility I may have towards Ms. Gellar to prove I'm "among the acceptable ones."

Acceptable to whom? Who is making this list?

Perhaps I am like Ms. Gellar in this respect: I have long ago decided that I do not wish to be on the list of the Acceptable Ones, and will take no action whatsoever to secure my place upon it. Maybe I have an advantage here: I do not seek the approval of those who bestow Respectability, as I simply do not respect them.

People who make their trade by writing and, one should hope, thinking about ideas should perhaps follow Ms. Gellar's example, not on the particular positions she stakes out, but her example as to her complete indifference as to how any statement will advance or retard her position in the hierarchy of the stultifying, deliberately-obscuring vagueries of Upper Middle Class Consensus of Respectability.

Are we here to talk about ideas and principles, or are we here to secure position and advantage?

A woman spoke.

Men with guns shot at her for speaking.

Do we really need to take an "on the one hand, on the other hand" approach here.

And we need not talk about "tone" or whether Ms. Gellar speaks for us on all things.

One does not award Style Points on a battlefield.

This is why we have no actual conservative movement worth a damn: Because our political officers and our thought leaders are all drawn from, and aspire to advance in, the same Upper Middle Class Northeast-and-California cultural consensus of "respectability."

Some people are ideologues are are intensely and primarily interested in Ideas.

Most are not.

And thus most people's first loyalty is not to any abstract Idea, but the more tangible Class they come from, and which gives them Identity, which gives them Place in the world, and which is, for far too many thinkers, a major source of pride and, I dare say, egotistical joy.

The current dominant class, the class that controls the political-media establishment, is this Upper Middle Class, leftism-inflected consensus, and until people can begin seeing this and seeing past it, and until they can begin making their first loyalty to Idea and Principle, which are universal and eternal, rather than Class and Cult, which are nothing but happenstance and ego, we will continue having an "opposition" which continues genuflecting to leftist conformity rather than standing up for ideas.

To escape the Matrix, you must first see the Matrix -- something Andrew Breitbart was fond of observing.

To be a traitor to one's Class is to be a patriot towards humanity.

Maybe Marx said that. Maybe I did. I don't know. But I do believe it. I believe that far too many ideas we have are non-ideas, things we've never actually thought through, but are simply Class Assumptions, and that we are all too afraid to go against our herd, our tribe, and start questioning some goddamned Class Assumptions.

Posted by: Ace at 02:00 PM

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1 Interesting slant.

Posted by: johnd01 at May 05, 2015 01:59 PM (ukNFU)

2 loved watching megyn destroying bill on this......LOVED IT......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 05, 2015 02:00 PM (0O7c5)

3 Ace, I have rarely been more proud of you.

Yub yub, you Ewok fucker.

Posted by: SGT Dan's Cat at May 05, 2015 02:01 PM (XN4C4)

4
Attack Of The Killer Italicans

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 05, 2015 02:01 PM (6/3TZ)

5
Niggling Matters would make a great name for an offshoot blog of AoS.

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 05, 2015 02:02 PM (Ng9V+)

6 You said it better than I did in the comments of DrewM's post, damn you all to hell. It IS about class. And in some cases about cowardice.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at May 05, 2015 02:02 PM (9BRsg)

7
Thank you, Ace, for writing the post that Pam Geller rightly deserves.

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 05, 2015 02:03 PM (Ng9V+)

8
Gellar, rather.

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 05, 2015 02:03 PM (Ng9V+)

9 Gawd I love it when ace is pissed!

Posted by: chi's sandwIch (previously shredded chi) at May 05, 2015 02:04 PM (ZjzCZ)

10 Excellent.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 05, 2015 02:04 PM (g1DWB)

11 it comes down to whether you are for free speech....or not.....oreilly isn't for what ever the reason.....trump isn't for whatever the reason....and this is a hill worth fighting for.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 05, 2015 02:05 PM (0O7c5)

12 As thrilling as it may be to go to Pamplona and punch a bull in the nose, Ms. Geller will do nothing more than enflame the jihadis and cause innocent Americans to be targeted for ideological murder. For that reason alone we have a social purpose in shutting her speech down.

The same 'reasoning', of course, applies to Republicans, who enflame the poor with racist budget cuts, bakers, florists, and pizza restaurateurs (members of professions who all hate gay people), and those Americans living in the idle west or of the lower classes generally.

Some of you may think I'm anti-free speech. I'm not; I'm simply against your free speech.

Posted by: Chris Matthews at May 05, 2015 02:05 PM (FCsIb)

13 Well said, Ace.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at May 05, 2015 02:05 PM (OsWis)

14 Fantastic post

Posted by: Draki at May 05, 2015 02:05 PM (0eidE)

15 Maybe I have an advantage here: I do not seek the approval of those who bestow Respectability, as I simply do not respect them.

Amen.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 05, 2015 02:05 PM (Hr+ZL)

16 I become angry and a little nauseous

ace, it should be "nauseated" not "nauseous" unless you're actually in the process of vomiting.

Posted by: mynewhandle, being THAT GUY at May 05, 2015 02:06 PM (AkOaV)

17
CNN had a segment on this morning titled:
Balancing Free Speech And Provocation

This is Where We Are, folks. The media is treating Free Speech as if it's something that needs to be 'balanced' and lecturing The People like we are office employees who need a talking to about sexual discrimination in the workplace.

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 05, 2015 02:06 PM (Ng9V+)

18 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at May 05, 2015 02:07 PM (kff5f)

19 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at May 05, 2015 02:07 PM (kff5f)

20 So Pamela and Megyn have more balls than Bill and Jamie.

What has happened to our so-called conservative men?

Posted by: Bruce Jenner at May 05, 2015 02:07 PM (xkSSa)

21 Bill O'Really is a pompous gasbag who has the uncanny ability to come down squarely on both sides of an argument.

He is worthless and believes in nothing.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 05, 2015 02:07 PM (0HooB)

22 http://tinyurl.com/k85kv8z

the great nauseous / nauseated conundrum explained.

Posted by: mynewhandle, being THAT GUY at May 05, 2015 02:07 PM (AkOaV)

23 If logic and jibes were bullets and knives, ace would have slain more leftists than Mao.

Yes, that is a compliment.

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at May 05, 2015 02:07 PM (IPdQb)

24 And here's why the left always wins the argument.

They embrace their jerks. They push the jerkiest jerk position possible, and then double down.

We have a woman who dares to do things differently than the Country Club Crew would prefer, and we run from her like she's medusa.

Kudos to you, ace. I know you guys don't get along, but it's refreshing to finally see someone stand up against the "Yeah...but..." narrative.

Posted by: Lauren at May 05, 2015 02:07 PM (MYCIw)

25 Bill O'Reilly always wants to split the difference between two opposing views, as if there were always a moderate stance to be had.

This is where he always screws up - when dealing with an absolute like free speech. You cannot meet these terrorists halfway and just kinda sorta speak freely; either you can say what you want or you can't.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 05, 2015 02:08 PM (2TN4k)

26
A woman spoke.

Men with guns shot at her for speaking.Compare to the case of Malala Yousafzai, who was shot for speaking and has become almost a fetish for the same scrunts bashing Ms. Geller.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at May 05, 2015 02:08 PM (ZKzrr)

27 Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 05, 2015 02:07 PM (0HooB)

He's a contrarian.

A professional arguer.

Like a blog commenter.

No rhyme or reason to the positions he takes, he just likes to bloviate and argue. Like Chris Mathews before Mathews went full bore socialist.

Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 02:08 PM (AkOaV)

28
Excellent post. Thank you.

Just recently BOR, to earn his support to gays cred peddled the lie on air that Matthew Shepard was tortured and killed for merely being gay. Did not venture into the actual facts of this horrific crime as it would'nt polish his gay cred.

While I applaud Megyn for her response to BOR on this, I am disappointed in her and stopped watching because I see in her the same affliction that BOR has, believing their own hype. Megyn is not obnoxious as BOR but I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't get there eventually.

Posted by: Cheri at May 05, 2015 02:08 PM (oiNtH)

29 >>Now, as a personal matter, I have had sharp differences with Ms. Gellar. We do not get along.

Sharp. Sometimes, even pointy.

Like a well formed elbow.

Posted by: Garrett at May 05, 2015 02:09 PM (1RMKx)

30
Alternate post title:

The Pitfalls Of Waging A Personally Unoffensive War

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 05, 2015 02:09 PM (Ng9V+)

31 To repeat what I said on Drew's thread, this state of affairs can't entirely be blamed on the cowardice of the citizenry and the media.

By allowing "known wolves" to move freely or emigrate here with out restriction, the government de facto outlaws free speech. If your own government purposefully endangers you or allows you to be endangered, you realize your Constitutional rights are a paper tiger, and you will be less inclined to take risks.

Posted by: Sunni LeBeouf at May 05, 2015 02:09 PM (xkSSa)

32 But it's not just leftists, ConCrank. It is people who are ostensibly on our side.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at May 05, 2015 02:09 PM (9BRsg)

33 This is an example of the gems that attract me to this blog. Well voiced and well written, Ace.

Posted by: Soona at May 05, 2015 02:09 PM (/HX7u)

34 Niggling Matters would make a great name for an offshoot blog of AoS.

I saw Niggling Matters.......

Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 05, 2015 02:09 PM (RcdfR)

35 F*ck CNN and their pussified hang-wringing.

These are the same assholes that have been cheering on race riots.

They can DIAF. Slowly.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at May 05, 2015 02:09 PM (OsWis)

36
Well said, Ace.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 05, 2015 02:09 PM (ODxAs)

37 What is the deal with conservative women having so much more spine than conservative men, at least in the spotlight?

Then again, there's nothing wrong with strong-willed, thoughtful and God-fearing women. I believe we call them 'ettes.

Posted by: tcn in AK at May 05, 2015 02:09 PM (+YMhA)

38 WE are the wrong people... and proud of it!

Excellent piece. I wish it would go viral.

But, ahem, some of us DO award style points on the battlefield...

Posted by: Alternate Universe OG Celtic American in a Leisure Suit at May 05, 2015 02:10 PM (7Iwef)

39 When it comes to "free speech" there is only one BUT I want to see!

And that is the one of the @ss that attempts to shut free speech down ... face down!

Posted by: jack at May 05, 2015 02:10 PM (hQG2l)

40 And really, at the end, shouldn't Ace have added "but first, you will..... "

Posted by: tcn in AK at May 05, 2015 02:10 PM (+YMhA)

41 This is where he always screws up - when dealing with an absolute like free speech. You cannot meet these terrorists halfway and just kinda sorta speak freely; either you can say what you want or you can't.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 05, 2015 02:08 PM (2TN4k)

An almost absolute, I thinking "shouting FIRE in a crowded theater" is beyond free speech

Posted by: MikeH at May 05, 2015 02:10 PM (fI8Cl)

42 Bill O'Reilly makes decisions on what he believes will be the most popular and effective position to take to maintain his ratings and inexplicable popularity.

It is amazing, though, that people like in the Washington Post are asking why Pamela Gellar hasn't apologized. For being the target of a radical Islamic terrorist attack. She rips them a new one wondering if they asked JFK and Lincoln the same thing.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 05, 2015 02:10 PM (39g3+)

43 Omg have to go back to reading this is going to be epic but-

Lunchbucket philosopher LOL that's what my iPhone has turned me into .
Oy.

Posted by: River Guide at May 05, 2015 02:10 PM (RJMhd)

44 Maybe slightly off topic, but question for the left.... Should the venue that held this event had the right to refuse due to the religious nature?

Posted by: dissonantcognizance at May 05, 2015 02:10 PM (Cati5)

45 Good stuff, Ace.

This is why I never listen to cowards when they talk about the Constitution, because the Constitution was written by men with balls.

But, hey! O'Reilly is just looking out for the peeps.

Posted by: Fritz at May 05, 2015 02:11 PM (ty633)

46 Beautiful Ace.
How can anyone who even thinks about making excuses for these subhuman fucks call themself an American? Lack of balls will kill us.
Gellar has them in spades.

Posted by: rickinstl at May 05, 2015 02:11 PM (0AEWQ)

47 Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at May 05, 2015 02:08 PM (ZKzrr)

Well, we can argue about whether or not women should be able to speak without being shot at by men another time.

Personally? Better seen than heard (especially if they have a nice rack), but YMMV

Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 02:11 PM (AkOaV)

48 hear, hear, ace.

Posted by: Null at May 05, 2015 02:11 PM (LZood)

49 Mohammedanism is an evil death cult.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at May 05, 2015 02:11 PM (kff5f)

50 These Jihadi's were goin to attack something... anything.

If Gellar didnt provoke them, some shopping mall or government building would have offended them.

I'm all for Mohammed cartoon drawing events all over the US. Its the perfect mouse trap. Smoke them out, make them come out to us and send them to Allah. Sort of a self-selection process

Posted by: McCool at May 05, 2015 02:11 PM (TQxRy)

51 An almost absolute, I thinking "shouting FIRE in a crowded theater" is beyond free speech
Posted by: MikeH at May 05, 2015 02:10 PM (fI8Cl)

Not if there is a fire.

Posted by: just bob at May 05, 2015 02:11 PM (wkuqO)

52 BOR has always been a bit of a totalitarian statist. Much like Huckabee. My wife watches his show and I cannot fathom why.

Posted by: gm at May 05, 2015 02:11 PM (K0tm3)

53
If you view the video of the event, it appears extremely civilized and polite. IOW, the opposite of what its distractors attempt to portray it as.

Posted by: Bruce J at May 05, 2015 02:12 PM (iQIUe)

54 I stand Spencer and Gellar 100%. More than 100%.

Posted by: Eromero at May 05, 2015 02:12 PM (go5uR)

55 "..a center-left worldview, even among alleged conservatives..."

Yeah, don't you just hate it when that happens? I remember sticking up for people who embarrassed some of the elite, but that was a long time ago.

I'm glad that shit doesn't happen anymore.

Posted by: jwest at May 05, 2015 02:12 PM (9ZZd+)

56 Yikes, this post was listing and en feugo.

I really hate the conditional First Amendment carping I see. Please stop trying to blame the victim, be it Pam Geller or Theo van Gogh, and lay the fault squarely at the feet of the killers. In this case Islamic nut jobs who want to kill the infidel and get his paradise because this world seems irredeemably spoiled to them.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 05, 2015 02:12 PM (dDf+N)

57
O'Reilly is a panderer extraordinaire.
His viewers must be oblivious or fellow squishes, because he constantly and overtly rationalizes.
Can't stand him.

Posted by: Justamom at May 05, 2015 02:12 PM (sVnbw)

58 I just read it again.
And I have to say that this is up there with some of your finest work, ace.

Posted by: chi's sandwIch (previously shredded chi) at May 05, 2015 02:12 PM (ZjzCZ)

59
Personally? Better seen than heard (especially if they have a nice rack), but YMMVGo fuck yourself with the farm implement of your choice.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at May 05, 2015 02:12 PM (ZKzrr)

60 Anybody know Megyn Kelly's home phone?

Posted by: Joe Biden at May 05, 2015 02:12 PM (FCsIb)

61 Nicely written post Ace. I would add thatMs. Gellar is embarrassingly fearless -to those of us who don't have the courage of her convictions. Shame on any American who would side with the religion of perpetual butthurt over mere words and imageswhen those same individuals arebent on our destruction for thesimple reason that we exist a few centuries apart from them. Any pre-school child coulddraw a picture, but it takes agenetic mental defectiveto want to kill that child over it.

Posted by: MWTexas at May 05, 2015 02:12 PM (N05oL)

62 That's a lot to ask. Loyalty to the tribe preserves your DNA. Loyalty to your ideas makes you feel nice before they shoot you. Not a great mystery what your average, not-particularly-courageous person will choose.

Posted by: kartoffel at May 05, 2015 02:12 PM (uEmgg)

63 >>WE are the wrong people... and proud of it!

I think that really is the nut of it. We are the wrong people and not enough of us are proud of it. Far too many are afraid of being called a racist or some other ist.

We need a whole lot more FYNQ in practice not just on blogs.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 05, 2015 02:12 PM (g1DWB)

64 Remember when we used to say

" Its better to be killing them in Iraq so they dont come over here"

We'll we stopped killing them in Iraq... now they are here.

Posted by: McCool at May 05, 2015 02:13 PM (TQxRy)

65 "Balancing Free Speech And Provocation "

It would be less infuriating if they actually believed it, but they don't believe anything.

They jsut believe we're wrong and will latch on to any argument for 3.8 seconds until the first logical flaw is spotted. Then they're on to the next argument.

In this case...they seem to be just fine with limiting speech that's provocative because people just can't help but get upset when you offend their deeply held beliefs.

Oh? OH? FUCKING OH? So trying to murder a convention full of innocent people is an appropriate response to your religion being "mocked' but say, refusing to bake a cake for a gay wedding is hate?

Book of Mormon, Piss Christ et al are free expressions of artistic speech that we should all just get over, but drawing the least controversial picture of Muhammad of all time is provoking to the point of terrorist action?

Ok. Fine. You want to play that game? Let's play that game. I'm punching the next person who makes a joke about Christianity. I just can't help myself, you see.

Posted by: Lauren at May 05, 2015 02:13 PM (MYCIw)

66
I love the fact that two geezer cops brought them down, brought them down fast and HARD!

Posted by: Bruce J at May 05, 2015 02:13 PM (iQIUe)

67 Je suis Gellar!

Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 05, 2015 02:13 PM (RcdfR)

68 Gellar's proven her point here.

To waste time maligning her for making it is to find a diversion from ignoring what it was in the first place: That Islamists threaten violence to silence criticism.

It's not a solution to say 'You should keep quiet,' it's a capitulation. And simply tells the people who threaten violence that it works and that you will submit.

But people are more comfortable killing the messenger than paying attention to the message.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at May 05, 2015 02:13 PM (oVJmc)

69 Bravo, Ace. Great rant.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 05, 2015 02:13 PM (8ZskC)

70 60 Anybody know Megyn Kelly's home phone?
Posted by: Joe Biden at May 05, 2015 02:12 PM (FCsIb)

1-888-369-4762

Posted by: MikeH at May 05, 2015 02:14 PM (fI8Cl)

71 Posted by: MikeH at May 05, 2015 02:10 PM (fI8Cl)

No it's not.

You can yell "FIRE' if there is a fire.

That's a red herring. It's not about the speech itself, but the act of "purposefully causing panic when there is no need for panic" is illegal.

Same with the "fighting worlds" exception, which I think is a shitty SCOTUS decision, but whatever. It's not about repressing speech -- you can still say those things -- but if you say "yo mama so FAT she has her own area code" to someone while youre facing off with clenched fists, its seen as "fighting words."

But you're allowed to post online or say it in a non-confrontational situation without any problems.

Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 02:14 PM (AkOaV)

72 I think people here and elsewhere on the right need to make sure their reaction to "Piss Christ" and other deliberately provocative trash (flag burning, for example) was equally for free speech. From what I recall, it always is; but opposed to government funding.

But I do remember hearing a lot of "make beating a flag burner to a pulp subject to a $1 fine" sort of rhetoric in the past. Its important to be consistent and have integrity or we open ourselves up to justifiable attacks of hypocrisy and inconsistency.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 05, 2015 02:14 PM (39g3+)

73 And whats up with Martha McCallum ??? Is she vying for a job at CNN ?

Posted by: McCool at May 05, 2015 02:14 PM (TQxRy)

74 I defend your right to misuse tags, but get in the barrel.

Posted by: t-bird at May 05, 2015 02:14 PM (FcR7P)

75 Thank you Ace. Very thoughtful essay.

Posted by: Old Hob at May 05, 2015 02:14 PM (/6hbU)

76 Spot on. But on the other hand, also spot on.

Posted by: MostlyRight at May 05, 2015 02:14 PM (fOLR/)

77 I hate BOR (meh, "hate" is too strong a term, I guess) for his "Pox on both their houses" approach to everything.

In BOR's world, neither Democrats nor Republicans can ever be correct, the answer *must* be somewhere in the middle.

You know what? F*ck that. There is no middle-ground between freedom and slavery. There is no middle-ground between freedom of religion, and religious coercion. There is no middle ground between Islam and not-Islam.

"The middle ground," in general, is a lazy and weak position held by those who lack either (or both) the ability or the fortitude to embrace and defend any position.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at May 05, 2015 02:14 PM (kff5f)

78 I said it at the end of the last thread, and I'll say it again:

These days, I feel as though I'm standing at the edge of the pit at Babi Yar, waiting for the bullet.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 05, 2015 02:14 PM (zF6Iw)

79 You've got an un-closed italic tag in this post

Posted by: james at May 05, 2015 02:14 PM (rVEMe)

80 Very well put.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at May 05, 2015 02:15 PM (mf5HN)

81 "To escape the Matrix, you must first see the Matrix"

Lana Wachowski is my favorite directrix.

Posted by: Bruce Jenner at May 05, 2015 02:15 PM (xkSSa)

82
Gellar's proven her point here.

Indeed she has.

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 05, 2015 02:15 PM (Ng9V+)

83 Ace,
Did your significant other know you want to bone Pam Geller? Cuz she does now. All kidding aside, excellent rant. For further reading our new upper middle overloads try Coming Apart by Charles Murray

Posted by: Mac at May 05, 2015 02:15 PM (0J18b)

84 21
Bill O'Really is a pompous gasbag who has the uncanny ability to come down squarely on both sides of an argument.

He is worthless and believes in nothing.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 05, 2015 02:07 PM (0HooB)
---------
UNTRUE!!
I believe in myself... and that's about it.

Posted by: Billy O at May 05, 2015 02:15 PM (pMGkg)

85 So we can now stomp a mudhole in some atheistic hipster's ass when they crack a joke about Jesus??

Posted by: SMFH at it all at May 05, 2015 02:15 PM (OsWis)

86 Ace, you should expand on this war on women on twitter. I'm certain you'd have fun.

Posted by: Draki at May 05, 2015 02:16 PM (0eidE)

87 Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at May 05, 2015 02:12 PM (ZKzrr)

Of my choice?

Hmmm...

By the way, I was clearly joking, no need to bring farm implements in to this.

Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 02:16 PM (AkOaV)

88 11:50 am is Ace's last post.
2:00 pm is this one.

The last post was good.
This one is excellent.
I spend five or so minutes trying to crank out a five line comment. Then I have to correct, or delete, or whatever, so that my comment or response to comment barely makes sense by time it is displayed.
Yet this Ace feller cranks out gem after gem, day after day. No, it isn't literature, but it is damn good commentary. The kind of stuff old school writers did twice a week for their columns, and got famous for.

Not to sound like too much of a knob-gobbler, but Ace, you're tops in this business.
I might even have to toss some coin your way.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 05, 2015 02:16 PM (XmOA9)

89 how he wouldn't have made the point in quite that way.

...because he doesn't want to get beheaded while the Muslim-in-Chief looks for the youtube that started it all.

Posted by: t-bird at May 05, 2015 02:16 PM (FcR7P)

90

Babi Yar?

WTF kind of reference is this, Edgar Allen Nerd?

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 05, 2015 02:16 PM (Ng9V+)

91 I'm Bill will change his mind about Pam . . .

After the Motor-boatin'.

As would we all.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 05, 2015 02:16 PM (rXB/r)

92 The Rush to signal...

Reminds me of transduction signaling I think bacteria colonies do it- everyone wants to belong to the "right" and larger crowd. It's high school clique politics.

Posted by: River Guide at May 05, 2015 02:17 PM (RJMhd)

93 We must never concede the legitimacy of the "hate speech" concept.

Once accepted it places all debate about speech into the frame: "Is or isn't it 'hate speech'" Than all kinds of circular, ambiguous jargon is trotted out as "the definition" of hate speech, having something to with whether the speaker had Forbidden Intent, or if the listener is Rightfully Offended.

There is no "hate speech." Words are words. Actions are actions. The only gray area is imminent incitement to specific action by words.

It seems so basic, yet our public figures never seem to go this route, but only weasel defenses of specific examples by claiming "it wasn't hate speech" --which may win a battle but only loses the war by legitimizing the concept of Forbidden Ideas and Forbidden Speech.

Posted by: NYC Parent adding lead shielding to his bunker at May 05, 2015 02:17 PM (HEo6y)

94 Sooth, Babi Yar was a ravine in the Ukraine. Were the mobile units would do that Final Solution gig.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 05, 2015 02:17 PM (dDf+N)

95 Yet this Ace feller cranks out gem after gem, day after day. No, it isn't literature, but it is damn good commentary. The kind of stuff old school writers did twice a week for their columns, and got famous for.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 05, 2015 02:16 PM (XmOA9)

Thanks for the comment, are you interested in penis enhancement surgery?

Posted by: Ace Blogger 9000 AI at May 05, 2015 02:18 PM (fI8Cl)

96 That's an awfully long post just to say that you like her rack

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 05, 2015 02:18 PM (eGmvn)

97 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at May 05, 2015 02:14 PM (kff5f)

One person says "the car is black' the other says "the car is white" and OReilly says "Well, all reasonable people must agree that the car is gray and I will yell over any one who would deign to disagree with me"

Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 02:18 PM (AkOaV)

98 Great post, Ace.

Posted by: Pastorius at May 05, 2015 02:18 PM (gMAUH)

99
Pamela, you ignorant slut.

Posted by: O'reallys counterpoint at May 05, 2015 02:18 PM (agXt1)

100 Well said, Ace. Bravo.

Now can someone figure out how to get the head ewok off of Pam Gellar's leg?

Posted by: flounder at May 05, 2015 02:18 PM (ecDRv)

101 We need a lot more people willing to take PG's stand and say, "I have a basic right to free speech and neither you nor anyone else can take that away from me.

If you don't like it, it's a big world out there, and you're more than welcome to live somewhere else."

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 05, 2015 02:19 PM (0HooB)

102 Excellent, ace.

Posted by: rickl at May 05, 2015 02:19 PM (zoehZ)

103 They think muzzies aren't dangerous if you don't stir them up. Using this as their logic it was the 'free speech idiots' own fault.

You hear this as why it is Bush's fault in afganistan and iraq, if he didn't stir them up they wouldn't hate us.

This misses a little bit of the history of islam and the world but it lets them feel superior.

Posted by: just bob at May 05, 2015 02:19 PM (wkuqO)

104 Do we have free speech, or are we living under sharia law and just hiding from the assassins.

Posted by: Null at May 05, 2015 02:19 PM (LZood)

105
I have to say, the Left has most of the Right trained well.

The Right is like a proper Victorian, minding their p's and q's so scared of the Left's rebuke if they step out of line.

SNAP OUT OF IT.

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 05, 2015 02:19 PM (Ng9V+)

106 Great piece, Ace.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at May 05, 2015 02:19 PM (ZPrif)

107 Now can someone figure out how to get the head ewok off of Pam Gellar's leg?

Ewwwww. Above my pay grade.

Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 05, 2015 02:19 PM (RcdfR)

108 Yeah, BOR is going about it all wrong. In order to be a true crawling, ass-kissing pretend conservative, you point out how Gellar is "fleecing the rubes" (that means us) and getting rich putting the rest of us in danger.

Incidentally, these 2 jihadis were spoiling to blast someone, and we ought to be grateful they came for Gellar and her crew rather than a grade school.

Posted by: spongeworthy at May 05, 2015 02:20 PM (27enW)

109 Well put Ace.

You can be in our club of 1st Amendment absolutists.

It's not terribly complicated.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 05, 2015 02:20 PM (7G/wk)

110 Awesome, a long Ace rant!!!! I love those.

I'm a gonna go read it now!

Posted by: Dirty Randy at May 05, 2015 02:20 PM (jjaLl)

111 +10

Posted by: EndOfPatience at May 05, 2015 02:20 PM (coF6H)

112 I spend five or so minutes trying to crank out a five line comment.

I know, right? And you actually care about this. Imagine how hard it is for the editor of the Harvard Law Review to come up with something.

Posted by: Barack Obama at May 05, 2015 02:20 PM (FcR7P)

113 "in all likelihood, she scrambles to find long-term security to protect her life?"

Has someone mentioned yet, that THESE ARE the hills to die on?

Posted by: flounder at May 05, 2015 02:20 PM (ecDRv)

114 They jsut believe we're wrong and will latch on to any argument for 3.8 seconds until the first logical flaw is spotted. Then they're on to the next argument.

Indeed. Because they don't hold any position based on a firm logical worldview and considered integrity and honor. They hold it based on what their commissars say and opposing what their opponents say.

You're for this? Then it must be bad. You're against it? Then it must be good. Now let me figure out why, so I can argue it. How's this? No? Well then this? This?

At no point do they go "wow, maybe I should rethink this" or "maybe you're right." They just move to another attempt until they find something that resonates culturally and moves the ball closer to the goal.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 05, 2015 02:20 PM (39g3+)

115 Posted by: NYC Parent adding lead shielding to his bunker at May 05, 2015 02:17 PM (HEo6y)

All of this.

Our Rights - including freedom of speech, religion, right to bear arms, etc. - *must* be set upon some unchanging standard. That is why the founders chose Natural Law.

If we choose some changing "standard" (such as "hate") to use instead, we completely invalidate our Rights.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at May 05, 2015 02:21 PM (kff5f)

116 >>I think people here and elsewhere on the right need to make sure their
reaction to "Piss Christ" and other deliberately provocative trash (flag
burning, for example) was equally for free speech. From what I recall,
it always is; but opposed to government funding.

Yes, Piss Christ was about government funding. However, it feels like it's become a rite of passage and/or a sound marketing strategy to mock/deride Christianity to prove one's artistic cred. How many "controversial" movies and tv shows has Hollywood made poking Christians in the eye only to rever in the response from Christians? Like Madonna's repeated swipes at Catholicism, this shtick has gotten stale. Seem to recall at least one somewhat recent movie about which all of the critics and Lefties were dumbstruck that the Christian protesters didn't even bother to protest.

So we need to keep asking: why is it not OK to do the exact same thing to Islam? Christians have managed to respond (or not) without resorting to violence or censorship.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 05, 2015 02:21 PM (2TN4k)

117 Megyn Kelly in the black dress

Mmmmm

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 05, 2015 02:21 PM (fWAjv)

118
Babi Yar was a ravine in the Ukraine.

Oh. I thought it was literal. Or Biblical, even.

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 05, 2015 02:21 PM (Ng9V+)

119 Babi Yar?
WTF kind of reference is this, Edgar Allen Nerd?

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 05, 2015 02:16 PM (Ng9V+)

http://goo.gl/ks4bof

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 05, 2015 02:21 PM (zF6Iw)

120 Bravo, ace -- So plain to see, yet so difficult to practice apparently. There is no need to protect non offensive speech.

I lived in Chicagoland during the 1980 Skokie KKK march, and strongly supported their right to march there though I didn't agree with them one iota. iirc, they had to go to court to force the issuance of a marching permit, but it was all done 'by the book'.

Strangely enough, I don't recall the Constitution's guarantee of the right to assemble to be conditioned by permits. And it should be noted that Occupy or the Baltimore protestors or the Seattle MayDay protestors didn't bother with getting any of those pesky permits, but I digress.

And by protestors, I mean rioters mainly. So a nod of the head to Gellar, who is doing things 'by the book' and causing heartburn wherever she goes.

And fuck the muzzies and their Stone Age religion.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 05, 2015 02:21 PM (5KIZu)

121 I guess I should add that, due to some peculiarities of my youth, I grew up with nothing but contempt for the opinion of my moral inferiors.

Nice to read this article and know I'm not standing alone.

Posted by: EndOfPatience at May 05, 2015 02:22 PM (coF6H)

122 Whether one likes him or not, Glenn Beck has been voicing the same opinion as Ace.

Posted by: Soona at May 05, 2015 02:22 PM (/HX7u)

123 Superb, Ace.

It might be timely to re-post one of your best pieces, a review of Dorothy Thompson's "Who Goes Nazi?" (Harpers).

LINK: http://harpers.org/archive/1941/08/who-goes-nazi/

Posted by: mrp at May 05, 2015 02:22 PM (JBggj)

124 Very well put ace.

Posted by: steevy at May 05, 2015 02:22 PM (mGBKM)

125 Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 02:18 PM (AkOaV)

Yep.

It's like he's never even *heard* of the Law of the Excluded Middle.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at May 05, 2015 02:22 PM (kff5f)

126 "At no point do they go "wow, maybe I should rethink this" or "maybe you're right."

That's just patriarchal thinking, man.

Posted by: Lauren at May 05, 2015 02:23 PM (MYCIw)

127 >>I lived in Chicagoland during the 1980 Skokie KKK march

Damn Illinois Nazis.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 05, 2015 02:23 PM (g1DWB)

128 We can't spare this woman. She fights!

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 05, 2015 02:23 PM (oerr2)

129
I mostly just wanted to call you Edgar Allen Nerd, which is a terrible zing.

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 05, 2015 02:23 PM (Ng9V+)

130 Now can someone figure out how to get the head ewok off of Pam Gellar's leg?

Let him know it's trash day at Rubio's place.

Posted by: wrg500 at May 05, 2015 02:23 PM (S+el1)

131 The Right of the individual is what I think you are getting at in the end that is in no way Marxist it's its antithetical.

Posted by: River Guide at May 05, 2015 02:23 PM (RJMhd)

132 119 Babi Yar?
WTF kind of reference is this, Edgar Allen Nerd?

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 05, 2015 02:16 PM (Ng9V+)

http://goo.gl/ks4bof
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 05, 2015 02:21 PM (zF6Iw)

One can only pray the Barbed Cock O-Satan is hard at work on the human scum responsible for this...

Posted by: MikeH at May 05, 2015 02:23 PM (fI8Cl)

133 i had thought the whole idea of free speech was actually to PROTECT speech we might ourselves abhore.

i guess free really means, speech that won't embarrass me

Posted by: willow at May 05, 2015 02:23 PM (nqBYe)

134 Posted by: just bob at May 05, 2015 02:19 PM (wkuqO)

Yep I love that one. "If the idiot Bush hadn't invaded Iraq for oil, none of this would be happening."

"OH yeah? Why did Bill Clinton sent cruise missles in to Iraq in the late 90s? What about the first WTC bombing? The USS Cole? The Marine barracks in Lebanon? The embassies in Africa? Why were we in Somalia?" etc etc etc.

Not that I think Iraq helped the situation, but it's completely ignoring 1000 + years of history to pretend that Muslims were just minding their own business and not bothering anyone until they were put upon by the evil Boooosh and Darth Cheney.

Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 02:23 PM (AkOaV)

135 Babi Yar?

Tasha's brother.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 05, 2015 02:23 PM (W5DcG)

136 Posted by: Soothsayer at May 05, 2015 02:16 PM (Ng9V+)

It's actually a pretty big deal among those who disagree with that whole "Judenrein" vibe in most of Europe.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 05, 2015 02:24 PM (7G/wk)

137 I know, right? And you actually care about this. Imagine how hard it is for the editor of the Harvard Law Review to come up with something.

Posted by: Barack Obama at May 05, 2015 02:20 PM (FcR7P

No kidding. Thank allah you never had to!

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 05, 2015 02:24 PM (XmOA9)

138 The Left's strategy of capturing the commanding heights of the Culture was effective.

Most of the institutions that bestow Respectability are controlled by the Left.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at May 05, 2015 02:24 PM (ZPrif)

139 Nah, he is SO over his predilection for Rubio's refuse.

Hey AlextheChick, should I post that bit of clarity I had yesterday? I think it might be germane to this discussion.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 05, 2015 02:24 PM (dDf+N)

140 Well said. Popehat, in his otherwise fine analysis of free speech and those who would twist and strangle it, couldn't help a backhanded slur against Gellar. It seems like this has become necessary to prove one's bona fides in the upper conservative class. What is this disdain among the intellectual right for those in the trenches engaged in hand-to-hand ideological combat? I noticed the same disdain for Breitbart among the elite of the Right. I'm sick of it.

Posted by: rrpjr at May 05, 2015 02:24 PM (s/yC1)

141 To be a traitor to one's Class is to be a patriot towards humanity.

As a staunch conservative, I couldn't have said it better myself...

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at May 05, 2015 02:25 PM (FcR7P)

142 so would the special favors crowd approve more readily if mohammed were shoved into a jar of urine?

what is art?

Posted by: willow at May 05, 2015 02:25 PM (nqBYe)

143 O'Reilly response is akin to a lot of the sci-fi fans who have sat on the sidelines while the SJW'ers went to town on any authors not fully embracing their Lefty agenda who then said to the Sad Puppies crew: "I see your point, but you really shouldn't have made such a muscular response."

Is O'Reilly doing anything to stop de facto blasphemy laws in the U.S.? Then he should STFU with his advice on what is/is not too provocative.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 05, 2015 02:25 PM (2TN4k)

144 Great post, trulyyou have your days ofabsolute clarity. I am a sad member of thatcowardly careerist sect. My father was not-- one of the few conservative, traditionalistuniversity professors.He is a great man. I am not. I like making money and having nice things and sending my children to private school and living in my neighborhood. This means I shut-up and/or nod affirmatively when a discussion(no, those aren't had - a sermon) on climate change, gays, or Islam comes up. And why not? These aren't my fields of expertise and nothing about these topics helps me actually put food on the table or a roof over my family's head. So why not justnod affirmatively and STFU. These things are a matter of religious conviction anyway - who's mind am I going to change? Am I coward yes, (but ironically) I would have to be a religious zealot to risk my life (my career, the way I pay for mychildren)on a useless, meaningless conversation. So, yes, everything that you said is correct -- but here is my question to Ace: Would you have written that if yourcareer and how you provide for your family was on the line? Maybe so, in which case you arebetter man than I (and you probably are.)

Posted by: JBrother at May 05, 2015 02:25 PM (tiZ4y)

145 106 Great piece, Ace.
----------------------------
You're talking about Gellar, right, CD?

Posted by: chi's sandwIch (previously shredded chi) at May 05, 2015 02:25 PM (ZjzCZ)

146 Why did you feel the need, in the middle of your rant, to point out that you have had sharp differences with Ms. Gellar and that do not get along if that's was entirely beside the point?

Is it because it reinforces your argument that you support her right to speech unconditionally?

If this is about timing, that makes sense. Now is not the time to preface a statement of support for free speech.

Posted by: Saddam Who's Sane at May 05, 2015 02:25 PM (mkprf)

147 There is an injunction in Islam against making an image of Mohammed (remember when they all started calling him "the Prophet" as if other religions didn't have them?). But that injunction applies to Muslims, and presumably those under Muslim law and control. I'm not a Muslim, but I'm beginning to believe that we're becoming the latter without discussion or debate. You'll notice that the same self-regarded elite who were giddy at the prospect of forcing Catholic Nuns to distribute birth control and to make Catholic Hospitals perform abortions under the ruse of imposed religion are alltogether silent at the actual infliction of Islamic injunctions on the entire West under threat of violence. All of a sudden prohibiting speech and expression are minor, de minimus sacrifices that we're all to make as willing supplicants.

So the real question at issue is whether Islam's injunctions or the United States Constitution is the supreme law of the land - not at some theoretical future date, but in the now.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at May 05, 2015 02:26 PM (kz2eW)

148 What a post!

Succulent.....

Mouth watering.....

Like a two inch thick well marbled ribeye....

.....cut from the chuck end of a whole prime rib.

......Seared and Rare

Mmmmmm!

Posted by: Tom Swift and His Atomic Earth Blaster at May 05, 2015 02:26 PM (L8BKn)

149 Yet another milestone in Daily Hypocrisy, the comfortable upper-middle (very upper) in the MFM and their cultural support base will gladly support arson *as free speech* if the assailant are The Correct People, but actual speech isn't properly free speech if Unpeople do it.

This isn't new, not only have the Wonderful and Tolerant Left held this double-standard all along, but we see them so much as wish death on the Unpeople quite frequently (remember the regretful wailing after 9/11 that it had to happen in New York and not Jesusland?).

Most people simply don't pay enough attention to realize this is the case, which is why the people who do it aren't ridiculed out of public life for grotesque hypocrisy.

Well, that and people being kind of dumb and all.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 05, 2015 02:26 PM (bLnSU)

150 Well put Ace. You can be in our club of 1st Amendment absolutists. It's not terribly complicated.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 05, 2015 02:20 PM (7G/wk)

------------------------------------------

Unfortunately, though, there's not many of us here. It's a huge clubhouse. There's plenty of room.

Posted by: Soona at May 05, 2015 02:26 PM (/HX7u)

151 so...taking O'Reilly's side...the way to make sure you are not offended is to guarantee violence when your beliefs are challenged...

Posted by: Mr Wizard at May 05, 2015 02:27 PM (eOpVe)

152 Well said, Ace.

There are a helluva lot of cowards who should be absolutely mother-f*cking ashamed of themselves right now.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 05, 2015 02:27 PM (wtvvX)

153 So, I've lived through 9-11 and some events thereafter which have substantially changes my worldview. That because I lived through them and then painfully, but thoughtfully wandered to factual, substantive conclusions.

I've mostly avoided the pathos, the raw emotion of it which is ephemeral and perhaps trendy. I think that's the reason many on the right have been infatuated with the values they claim to support. That is, they are bounded or temporarily intrigued by its emotional grasp and the power that has over many people.

But that's also not intellectually grounded and so it's inconsistent, as it is here.

You can certainly like and support some of these folks as we share more in common than we don't. But I don't like at all their abrogation of free speech in the face of an assault. It makes them seem like cowards, opportunists and quasi intellectuals who have conveniently leveraged events for parochial means. Means that have nothing to do with what they originally claimed or expressed. It seems ultimately disingenuous.

Maybe they just have a dislike for Ms. Gellar and this was an opportunity to express their elitist superiority. But intellect doesn't yield to passion. It's more consistent than that.

Posted by: Marcus t at May 05, 2015 02:27 PM (GGCsk)

154 >>107 Now can someone figure out how to get the head ewok off of Pam Gellar's leg?

It's best to just let him finish.

Posted by: Garrett at May 05, 2015 02:27 PM (1RMKx)

155 Great summation. The question of "class loyalty" is what Breitbart meant by politics being downstream from culture. These people may be nominal right wingers but they don't feel it in their bones. Their instincts are wrong and their moral compass skews East rather than North. As Mark Steyn likes to point out, old-school 18th century colonial farmers had better political instincts and sensibilities than the over-educated elites of today. Shopkeepers in colonial Boston and farmers on the Ohio frontier would be more reliable allies on even the most "complex" issues of our day than those who pretend to be our betters.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at May 05, 2015 02:27 PM (QKIQb)

156 why did The DEM party under Clinton in 1998 write the "Iraq Liberation Document"?

they wanted Saddam ousted because chemical weapons and funding terrorism by THEIR documentation .

so 9-11 , DEMS shrieking why didn't You (BUSH) do something!

so fk you really.

Posted by: willow at May 05, 2015 02:27 PM (nqBYe)

157 Ace, you had me at "warm, soporific bath..."

Posted by: Dirty Randy at May 05, 2015 02:27 PM (jjaLl)

158
to point out that you have had sharp differences with Ms. Gellar and that do not get along if that's was entirely beside the point?

I believe that Ace is referring to their difference of personality not a difference of philosophy.

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 05, 2015 02:27 PM (Ng9V+)

159 fkn lying assholes every .damn.day.

Posted by: willow at May 05, 2015 02:28 PM (nqBYe)

160 Time to hit the tip jar again.

Ace, thank you for using your platform to post what so many are thinking.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at May 05, 2015 02:29 PM (9LuAk)

161
To put it succinctly: Pam Gellar was never amused by Ace. She doesn't really 'get' him.

(I might be wrong, but that would be rare.)

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 05, 2015 02:29 PM (Ng9V+)

162 gope ; "oh really dawlings could you shush with that silly commentary, must you really ruin our party"

Posted by: willow at May 05, 2015 02:29 PM (nqBYe)

163 Great essay, Ace. Thanks.

And yes, Pamela Gellar is fearless. God bless here

And for those that haven't seen it, here's the FOX interview with the cartoonist who seems like a fearless man himself as well as being a fine artist:

http://tinyurl.com/nbpvpwr

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 05, 2015 02:29 PM (MeuoO)

164 Okay Rogue Squadron, lets stay focused on the target. Not go 'Squirrel!' about are Ace and Pam friends or frenmies?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 05, 2015 02:30 PM (dDf+N)

165 Maybe one reason people feel like they need to qualify their support of the Gellars and Breitbarts (and even Chuck C. Johnson) is because they fear anybody who sticks their neck out that far is just crazy enough to do something really nuts. And nobody wants to be the guy who defended "that wackjob".

Like EoJ says, fuck it, I won't comply.

Posted by: spongeworthy at May 05, 2015 02:30 PM (27enW)

166 base will gladly support arson *as free speech*

Burning down a CVS is merely an uprising.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 05, 2015 02:30 PM (W5DcG)

167 so...taking O'Reilly's side...the way to make sure you are not offended is to guarantee violence when your beliefs are challenged...
Posted by: Mr Wizard at May 05, 2015 02:27 PM (eOpVe)

Insty has been beating the drum for years that there's a lovely incentive structure being built and people better be careful what they wish for because they just might get it.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at May 05, 2015 02:30 PM (mf5HN)

168 Talk about War On Women! Last week in St Louis, a 15 y/o and her 20 yr old sister were found shot and dumped in a vacant lot. Yesterday, a 25 and a 22 y/o were found shot to death in a house.

Posted by: Bruce J at May 05, 2015 02:30 PM (iQIUe)

169 Posted by: Tom Swift and His Atomic Earth Blaster at May 05, 2015 02:26 PM (L8BKn)

You, Sir, win the knob-gobbler award. I'm off the hook

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 05, 2015 02:30 PM (XmOA9)

170 And this is why I keep coming back here.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 05, 2015 02:30 PM (h4vJk)

171 whatever Ace said I think.. I am to beat read the whole thread.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2015 02:31 PM (rDqRv)

172 Saddam Who's Sane:

Ace was showing how it's done. There are plenty of people who have issues with Geller (or Spencer) but, nonetheless, support their right not to be shot by raisin-hunters. The way to do it is to put it into a footnote - because it *is* a footnote, to the discussion at hand.

Don't make the issue about how the author is Fair, or how the author is Not Like Her. It's not about the author. It's about not getting shot by terrorists.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 05, 2015 02:31 PM (oerr2)

173 The left's message to those awful people of the group "people who lived in the USA before Clinton opened the immigration flood gates to people who hate us" is run and hide. You shouldn't defend yourself or even speak.

In every country with a left wing population replacement, this is the message they give. Don't fight, don't speak, just shut up and die so the new generation can take charge.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at May 05, 2015 02:31 PM (2Bsd5)

174 To use certain offensive words and phrases to convey political messages.
Cohen v. California, 403 U.S. 15 (1971).
uscourts.gov

Posted by: willow at May 05, 2015 02:31 PM (nqBYe)

175 i guess free really means, speech that won't embarrass me

Free speech is speech that won't cost me anything, i.e., life, property, uncomfortable feelings......

Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 05, 2015 02:31 PM (RcdfR)

176 We saw it after what happened in Paris,so many on the left and right said " It's terrible they were murdered but....".Some came right out and said they were asking for it.

Posted by: steevy at May 05, 2015 02:31 PM (mGBKM)

177 Imagine how much better off this country would be if Manhattan were expelled from it.

Even an essentially blue collar mick like O'Reilly eventuality succumbs to the madness of that place.

Posted by: lanny at May 05, 2015 02:31 PM (lCA0p)

178 Imagine how much better off this country would be if Manhattan were expelled from it.

Even an essentially blue collar mick like O'Reilly eventuality succumbs to the madness of that place.

Posted by: lanny at May 05, 2015 02:31 PM (lCA0p)

179 Fuck yes Ace. Fucking fuck yes. You do not award style points on a battlefield.

Posted by: kari at May 05, 2015 02:31 PM (LFBrC)

180 In my upcoming sequel -- Killing Jesus II -- I write about why Jesus should have just shut his mouth, and not rocked the boat in Jewish society or angered the Sanhedrin.

Posted by: Bill O'Really at May 05, 2015 02:31 PM (1FyZ2)

181
These shivering little quislings will bleat that we must protect freedom of speech when Christianity, Judiasm, and Mormons are attacked. However, these quaking tyrants shrink at the thought that anyone would ever issue a critical word against "The religion that must not be touched".

Would Obama have ever said that a percentage of Americans "Cling to their Korans and prayer rugs".

Samuel Adams was a visionary.

"...We ask not your counsel or arms. Crouch down to lick the hands that feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen".

Posted by: Cheri at May 05, 2015 02:31 PM (oiNtH)

182 The thing is, its not wrong that one should try to avoid being deliberately offensive and provocative. Its not wrong that ones should try to be winsome and polite. That's just basic social interaction and how human beings can live in close proximity. The internet has definitely exaggerated and concentrated rudness and snark to the point of toxicity.

However, that does not negate freedom of expression and more importantly the truth of it does not mean that every situation and time is right to emphasize and concentrate on that.

Even if the knuckleheads in the legacy media aren't using the word "blaspheme" (and believe it or not, some are), they are bringing up the topic too much, too pointless, and in an improper and inappropriate time and place.

Its like how I nearly beat the teeth out of a guy for chiming in on how the US deserved 9/11 for how we've treated Muslims on 9/13. Has the US done stuff that we shouldn't have in the past? Sure. Do some Muslims have justifiable complaints? Absolutely.

But not only was that the wrong time to chime in on it, their actions negated the rightness of their cause, which means it shouldn't come up ever. As soon as you cross a certain line, you don't get defended. You lose your moral ground, and no one should be hedging their comments about you.

Its like saying "well John Wayne Gacy got horny and hungry, like we all do" in response to his raping and then eating little boys. The fact that he got hungry is utterly out of place in this conversation.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 05, 2015 02:31 PM (39g3+)

183
Free speech is speech that won't cost me anything, i.e., life, property, uncomfortable feelings......
Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 05, 2015 02:31 PM (RcdfR)

much better.

Posted by: willow at May 05, 2015 02:32 PM (nqBYe)

184
'I have long ago decided that I do not wish to be on the list of the Acceptable Ones, and will take no action whatsoever to secure my place upon it. Maybe I have an advantage here: I do not seek the approval of those who bestow Respectability, as I simply do not respect them.'

---

I concur

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 05, 2015 02:32 PM (eGmvn)

185 Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 05, 2015 02:26 PM (bLnSU)

And because the Democrat voters and leftists think they're on 'the inside.'

As in, they know they're being lied to and being hypocritical and whatnot, but they think they're getting a wink from the Dem pols and decision makers, and that the *real* marks of the lying are us stupid unlearned idiotic inbred republicans and conservatives.

Talk to a democrat sometime. The only thing they all have in common is that they think they're smart, they have it all figured out, and we're some crazy toothless trailer park livin cousin kissin throw backs to a less civilized time.

So like I said... they know. They just don't care what their pols have to say to get the unenlightened to vote for them. Because they know its a joke, and they are on "the inside". In their minds at least.

I think I have a good point here, sorry if I didn't explain it well. Still trying to figure out how to describe this phenomena.

Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 02:32 PM (AkOaV)

186 Insty has been beating the drum for years that there's a lovely incentive structure being built and people better be careful what they wish for because they just might get it.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at May 05, 2015 02:30 PM (mf5HN)

At which point the power of a fully operational Death Government comes down on the right.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 05, 2015 02:33 PM (zF6Iw)

187 gope ; "oh really dawlings could you shush with that silly commentary, must you really ruin our party"

The guy who puts the baby ruth in the punch bowl?

I AM THAT GUY.

Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 05, 2015 02:33 PM (RcdfR)

188 >>Like EoJ says, fuck it, I won't comply.

He actually sings it, though.

Posted by: Garrett at May 05, 2015 02:33 PM (1RMKx)

189 I think you can frame the limits of free speech based on the SCOTUS' definition and usage of "fighting words."

The SCOTUS differentiates between "in the heat of the moment" and otherwise.

I think if Ms Gellar had tried to hold a "draw the prophet" contest at a mosque, there would have been a case for "in the heat of the moment," but as the SCOTUS says if there is time for the initial emotions of the participants to pass, like in the time it takes to travel to Garland from Phoenix, that there is no defense for those who attempt to commit crimes.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at May 05, 2015 02:33 PM (UsFoH)

190 In Jonah Goldberg's book "The Tyranny of Cliche's", he has chapter lambasting the Left for their "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it" bullshit.

Leftists love the muzzies because they share a common enemy: Christians.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at May 05, 2015 02:33 PM (V70Uh)

191 I have long ago decided that I do not wish to be on the list of the Acceptable Ones, and will take no action whatsoever to secure my place upon it.

Welcome to the club. In fact, I not only fail to try and secure my place upon the list, I actively fart in the faces of the Acceptable Ones. Rhetorically, of course. So far as you know.

Did anyone else see A. J. Delgado's bitching tweets about Pam Gellar and the goat fcuker cartoons? It was pathetic beyond belief. Frankly, my opinion of her, which was already pretty low, dropped through floor. If she's supposed to be one of my fellow travelers on the right, I'll go it alone, thanks.

Posted by: physics geek at May 05, 2015 02:33 PM (MT22W)

192 I left out this other point - I think that the whole purpose of prefacing every statement about Geller by stating what an awful, low-down, dirty Jew whore she is before proceeding to discuss speech generally is pour encourager les autres. It's the price these media assholes are going to extract if you decide to step out of line and speak freely - that is, if you survive the attempts on your life.

Also, I'll add that the fellow who made the "Innocence of Muslims" film was jailed for it, albeit with a thin pretext of a probation violation, after the Secretary of State promised he'd be punished.

So, if we're honest, we'd have to admit that blaspheming "the Prophet" is a de facto crime in the United States, although it appears in no code of criminal statutes, no official Regulation of the United States - but there it stands, supreme even to our Constitution.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at May 05, 2015 02:33 PM (kz2eW)

193 They can't acknowledge that Gellar is brave because that's tantamount to acknowledging she has a point. You see the problem.

If she's killed they'll say she had it coming. These are the people who still give Bill Ayers jobs and platforms. They are a party of savages.

And they do not, for one second, apply the rules to others the way they do to themselves. If a Christian shot up their their Hunky Jesus contests or other "brave" and thoughtful artistic endeavors like the poop Virgin and the pee Christ, the media and Democrats would practically demand everyone alive publicly renounce God.

They can do this because they know Republicans actually care about the morality the Democrats use only for political advantage.

That's why the John Doe Star Chamber, and the IRS targeting of everyone critical of Obama, and the billions in foreign cash that will flow to the Democratic nominee in untraceable small credit card transactions (the Clinton Foundation was nothing, just wait). Their only principle is self-interest.

Posted by: TallDave at May 05, 2015 02:34 PM (74ZYB)

194 He actually sings it, though.
Posted by: Garrett at May 05, 2015 02:33 PM (1RMKx)

while dancing between raindrops.

that is such a great visual

Posted by: willow at May 05, 2015 02:34 PM (nqBYe)

195 If you like your free speech you can keep your free speech but it comes with a cost. ----- IRS

Posted by: just bob at May 05, 2015 02:35 PM (wkuqO)

196 "I think I have a good point here, sorry if I didn't explain it well. Still trying to figure out how to describe this phenomena."

Obama's "stance" on gay marriage in 08 is the perfect example.

They knew he supported gay marriage.

He knew they knew he supported gay marriage.

They just all had to pretend for those stupid hicks in flyover country.

Posted by: Lauren at May 05, 2015 02:35 PM (MYCIw)

197 I hope I am not overstating this, but this is probably one of the best posts I've read on your site -- and I've been reading since 2004.

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I am so disgusted by how so many allegedthinkersseem to care more aboutsocial positioning than actualthought.
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Excellent.

And bravo for using the word "retard" appropriately as a verb.

Posted by: alex asunder at May 05, 2015 02:35 PM (i+d8H)

198 I see many parallels twixt the modern "conservative" leadership and "thinkers" and the biblical Pharisees.

Posted by: maddogg at May 05, 2015 02:36 PM (xWW96)

199 Ace Johnson is right!

Posted by: Count de Monet Johnson at May 05, 2015 02:36 PM (JO9+V)

200 If you like your free speech you can keep your free speech but it comes with a cost. ----- IRS

At some point, I think you've had enough free speech.

Posted by: Barack Obama at May 05, 2015 02:36 PM (FcR7P)

201 " They just don't care what their pols have to say to get the unenlightened to vote for them. Because they know its a joke, and they are on "the inside". In their minds at least. "

Exactly.

Posted by: spongeworthy at May 05, 2015 02:36 PM (27enW)

202 It is truly unthinkable that any civilized man would shoot at a woman with tits like Pam's.

Posted by: maddogg at May 05, 2015 02:37 PM (xWW96)

203 Bill O'Blather the weather vein has been bugging me for years. I heard enough of his "Obama is not a socialist, only the fringe is saying this" to "See, I told you all he was a socialist" crap to last a lifetime.

When he and his ventriloquist dummies started sh*tting on Cruz that was an extra brownie point for the Texan.

My 88 year old mother watches Fox, and has no idea what they're saying, it's just "company". That's about all it's worth.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at May 05, 2015 02:37 PM (sH832)

204 Here's all you need to know: attack on a conservative, in Jesus land no less--a provocation, they had it coming.
Attack on Leftist bastion: Bwoston Stwong! Oh the inhumanity! Candle Light Vigil! Neil Diamond leading a tearful stadium hug.
There's them, and there's us. Fortunately, we can protect ourselves. Unlike them.

As for O'Blowhard, always trying to strike the Centrist pose. Totally predictable. Kelly does it to. Both worthless.

Posted by: Shemp Smith, with a Faux News Alert at May 05, 2015 02:38 PM (hKyl0)

205 Funny though, just as lefties all secretly know that their politicians support their craziest left wing delusions, we also know that our politicians support their craziest left wing delusions.

Posted by: Lauren at May 05, 2015 02:39 PM (MYCIw)

206 I know everyone is focusing on Pam Gellar but remember Geert Wilders was there.

In fact, wasn't this the event that certain members of Congress were caterwauling he shouldn't get a visa to attend?

Because, you see, I'm waiting for those who did so to start bleating about how they were correct regarding what would happen.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at May 05, 2015 02:39 PM (mf5HN)

207 "This is about, specifically, the careerist, cowardly, go-along-to-get-along mores of the Upper Middle Class, the class of people whose parents were all college educated, and of course are college educated themselves; the class that dominates our thought-transmitting institutions (because non-college educated people are more of less shut out of this industry).

It is a class which is deathly afraid of social stigma, and lives in class-based fear being grouped with the wrong people, and which is more interested in Career, quite frankly, than in the actual tradecraft of that Career, which is clarity of thought and clarity of expression."

This is so spot on, Ace, so arrow in the bullseye right, that I stopped reading. You nailed it. The fear of social stigma *among their class group* is PRECISELY the problem that sucks every honest living impulse out of these people.

Posted by: Feh at May 05, 2015 02:39 PM (g83l/)

208 There isn't a left wing and right wing anymore. You're either of the body or you're an OTHER.

To be disenfranchised, ridiculed, marginalized and ostracized.

We've finally had a chance to see the process in detail before our very eyes watching Fox News go from middle of the road but speaking the facts to a left of middle shilling for the ride of the middle elites and some from the left side too.

they still report more truth than the mainstream but that's not difficult to do since the mainstream is in full Protect-the-Precious-Prince mode and propaganda for their party of choice the Democrats.

It's not the water in DC, it's the party parties and the shmoozing 24/7, the sucking up one has to do to maintain one's position or job. The incessant beat of the tom toms signifying what is the correct speech and what is not.

The Borg would be awed by the ability of them to speak alike, think alike, act alike and all without an apparent central controller.

They're inhuman and I refuse to even bother watching their shows as their a waste of time and worthless. They meant for the consumption of the unthinking, those that don't want to think and those that are awaiting the next edict.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at May 05, 2015 02:40 PM (zRby/)

209 I say that (#202) because I think Pam might read this thread and I want her to know I truly admire her magnificent bewbs.

Posted by: maddogg at May 05, 2015 02:40 PM (xWW96)

210 In my upcoming sequel -- Killing Jesus II -- I write about why Jesus should have just shut his mouth, and not rocked the boat in Jewish society or angered the Sanhedrin.
Posted by: Bill O'Really at May 05, 2015 02:31 PM (1FyZ2)

---------------------------------------------

Whoever this sock is, that's very very good. That needs to be sent to BOR's web page.

Posted by: Soona at May 05, 2015 02:40 PM (/HX7u)

211 Never try to group O'Reilly with anything on the Right. He is consistently on the Wrong.

Posted by: Roy at May 05, 2015 02:40 PM (VndSC)

212 >>I know everyone is focusing on Pam Gellar but remember Geert Wilders was there.

Yep. Local news described him as an "anti-Islam" politician.
Grrrr.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 05, 2015 02:41 PM (2TN4k)

213
Here's a link to a video of the event:

https://goo.gl/Pl9pjc

It's cleared out after an hour and a half.

Posted by: Bruce J at May 05, 2015 02:42 PM (iQIUe)

214 Let me put it this way: I agree with Ace that the timing is wrong. I also agree that people are taking the opportunity to defend free speech as a way to position themselves as socially superior.

However, I still think that the statement "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" is a stronger argument in favor of the absolute right of free speech than "I'll defend to the death your right to say XXX."

Posted by: Saddam Who's Sane at May 05, 2015 02:42 PM (mkprf)

215 Posted by: Lauren at May 05, 2015 02:35 PM (MYCIw)

Right, right, that's a perfect example.

bring that up to a leftist and they'll roll their eyes. "of COURSE obama was pro gay marriage."

"well, but he said he wasnt, and the media defended him and called everyone who disagreed with that statement ignorant buffoons..."

"Oh come on, thats politics."

They have NO PROBLEM with their politicians lying, cheating, stealing, doing whatever because a) they think the Republicans are worse (even though R's cant get away with half the shit D's can, due to the media) and b) because they think THEY are the beneficiaries.

Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 02:42 PM (AkOaV)

216 Ace Johnson is right!

Reghrerr!!

Posted by: Gabby Johnson at May 05, 2015 02:42 PM (39g3+)

217 Acceptable to whom? Who is making this list?

Me, I'm making the list. And checking it twice.

Posted by: Scary, sweaty guy who smells like urine, cigarettes and booze dressed like Santa in basement at May 05, 2015 02:42 PM (sH832)

218 "..but if you say "yo mama so FAT she has her own area code" to someone
while youre facing off with clenched fists, its seen as "fighting
words.""

No, no it's not.

The words have to be of an offensive level that ANY REASONABLE person would be compelled to respond with violence. There are very few instances where this has been proven to have happened.

Now, your clenched fists and fighting stance may start the fight, but that's a totally separate issue.

Posted by: Dirty Randy at May 05, 2015 02:42 PM (jjaLl)

219 "Yep. Local news described him as an "anti-Islam" politician."

Er, that should be "Far-Right Anti Islam Politician Banned From Entering Countries Because of His Hate"

Posted by: AP Style Guide at May 05, 2015 02:43 PM (MYCIw)

220 Even now many on Twiiter who sgree with ace have to stick in a "not that I agree with Gellar","not that I like what she does" etc.Fucking annoying.

Posted by: steevy at May 05, 2015 02:43 PM (mGBKM)

221 AlextheChick. Never forget Pim who was murdered by a fellow Socialist to prevent the Muslims from loosing their minds. And Theo van Gogh, who attacked Christianity and Islam, who was murdered by a Muslim for offending.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 05, 2015 02:43 PM (dDf+N)

222 i suppose our politicians are all compromised , ideologically , financially, socially .

them against the people that notice.

Posted by: willow at May 05, 2015 02:43 PM (nqBYe)

223 I've always liked Geller.

O'Reilly is a blowhard. He talks in general terms, negates what most of us are saying and thinking until it hits him in the face months, years, later, then takes credit for the thought and facts. He's a good character actor, that is why he is so watched (and he does make some good points now and again).

My favorite Geller clip as of late, while being attacked by CNN

http://bit.ly/1KKafyv

PAMELA GELLER DESTROYS ONSLAUGHT OF RIDICULOUS ATTACKS FROM CNN'S ALISYN CAMEROTA

therightscoop has 3 or 4 more of the attacks

sick of it

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 05, 2015 02:44 PM (IXrOn)

224
I know everyone is focusing on Pam Gellar but remember Geert Wilders was there.

Damn. One Ayan Hirsi Ali short of a trifecta.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 05, 2015 02:44 PM (JtwS4)

225 I believe in free speech but means you don't.

Period-no mas.

Posted by: southtexas at May 05, 2015 02:44 PM (rbMr9)

226 The maid provoked me with her sexy maid outfit. I'm all for women's rights, but not this amounted to "whore dressing" and she deserved it.

Posted by: Dominique Strauss Kahn at May 05, 2015 02:44 PM (sO+ca)

227 The E-slammers appeared as an exclamation point to every accusation Geller ever made toward them.

Posted by: maddogg at May 05, 2015 02:44 PM (xWW96)

228 Posted by: Lauren at May 05, 2015 02:39 PM (MYCIw)

Right.

Leftists dont care when their pols lie, because they say "secretly Obamas one of us. A hardcore "progressive" (aka: socialist)"

For us, our pols lie and we say, "well, we're fucked."

Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 02:45 PM (AkOaV)

229 I think Pamela has the biggest balls.

Posted by: CaliGirl at May 05, 2015 02:45 PM (BHl9S)

230 I agree with Ace that the timing is wrong.

????

When is the timing ever 'right" to criticize islam?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2015 02:45 PM (rDqRv)

231 I say that (#202) because I think Pam might read this thread and I want her to know I truly admire her magnificent bewbs.

I could watch her punch down all day long.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at May 05, 2015 02:45 PM (sH832)

232 Because, you see, I'm waiting for those who did so to start bleating about how they were correct regarding what would happen.

That it would prove muzzies are animals & can't be left unchaperoned in polite company?

Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 05, 2015 02:46 PM (RcdfR)

233 Jesus would probably still be alive today had he not rocked the boat. Probably have a TV Ministry.

Posted by: Ted Baxter at May 05, 2015 02:46 PM (fLKzW)

234 Posted by: Scary, sweaty guy who smells like urine, cigarettes and booze dressed like Santa in basement at May 05, 2015 02:42 PM (sH832)

Hmmmm, never realized how much commentary you could stick into a sock. Or stocking, in this case.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 05, 2015 02:46 PM (XmOA9)

235 Were they this scared during g the big piss Christ riots?

Posted by: Jean at May 05, 2015 02:46 PM (3hIs0)

236 Pamela Gellar sometimes goes too far in warning about radical Islam, but I consider that a sort of balancing energy against how short the media and the rest of culture tends to go.

Generally speaking, she's quite right about the religion and its horrors on the extreme end. I've just known Muslims who are nothing of the sort and are appalled at what people do in the name of their faith. They aren't all one vest away from suicide bombing a kindergarden.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 05, 2015 02:46 PM (39g3+)

237
I know everyone is focusing on Pam Gellar but remember Geert Wilders was there.

i think that is a major part of the reason why supposedlyconservative commentatorsare jumping gellars shit.they view wilders as a far right wing european nationalist

Posted by: flo from alice the original fake flo at May 05, 2015 02:47 PM (lKyWE)

238 Posted by: Dirty Randy at May 05, 2015 02:42 PM (jjaLl)

Right, reasonable man standard.

"yo mama" maybe wasn't the best example, but I think the original supreme court case was literally a guy taunting another guy by offending his mother or family or something. He felt his honor was at stake.

Someone double check me on that.

Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 02:47 PM (AkOaV)

239 The popular and outspoken Israeli singer Amir Benayoun sharply criticized US President Barack Obama in a new song and went on to compare him with the Nazi leader Adolf Hitler, to which the US Embassy in Tel Aviv responded with a condemnation.

????

I think it is a poor comparison for a whole host of reasons, but remind me now, when if ever has the the White House or State ever condemned anything Iran has said about Fredo or America? Selective outrage I'd say?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2015 02:47 PM (rDqRv)

240 far right wing european nationalist
Posted by: flo from alice the original fake flo at May 05, 2015 02:47 PM (lKyWE)

but "right wing" just means "not what we, hardcore leftists, approve of."

The guy is a leftist who happens to be for reducing immigration from countries that hate western civilization.

Nothing in common politically with "right wing extremists" in this country.

Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 02:48 PM (AkOaV)

241 A you paranoid Wingnuts still talking about this Ugly Shreiking Harpy? I bid you adieu

Posted by: Cahrles Jhonson at May 05, 2015 02:48 PM (fLKzW)

242 When is the timing ever 'right" to criticize islam?

While I'm breathing.

Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 05, 2015 02:48 PM (RcdfR)

243 Generally speaking, she's quite right about the religion and its horrors on the extreme end. I've just known Muslims who are nothing of the sort and are appalled at what people do in the name of their faith. They aren't all one vest away from suicide bombing a kindergarden.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 05, 2015 02:46 PM (39g3+)

Me too. Too bad the 98% make such a bad name for the rest.

Posted by: just bob at May 05, 2015 02:48 PM (wkuqO)

244 As smelly and randy as these ewoks are--and I take second to no man in my revulsion at their chirping hump-noises--one of them has written a fine post at AoS.

Posted by: spongeworthy at May 05, 2015 02:48 PM (27enW)

245 "when if ever has the the White House or State ever condemned anything Iran has said about Fredo or America? "

"Oh, they don't really mean that. It's just internal politics"

-Obama admin

Posted by: Lauren at May 05, 2015 02:49 PM (MYCIw)

246 Be the ball, ace. Be the ball be the ball.

Posted by: Ty Webb at May 05, 2015 02:49 PM (JO9+V)

247 At which point the power of a fully operational Death Government comes down on the right.

Wait till they get a load of me!

Posted by: Emperor Huckabee at May 05, 2015 02:49 PM (sO+ca)

248 Comparing da Zero to Hitler is inappropriate in view of da Zero's lack of manhood. Hitler had a ball of steel.

Posted by: maddogg at May 05, 2015 02:49 PM (xWW96)

249 ...speech is not in fact free, due to the intolerable threats of a
determined and lunatic religious minority set on imposing their alien
laws of blasphemy against us.

But enough about the Democrats, what about the Islamists?

Posted by: Country Singer at May 05, 2015 02:49 PM (8hctH)

250 The popular and outspoken Israeli singer Amir Benayoun sharply criticized US President Barack Obama in a new song and went on to compare him with the Nazi leader Adolf Hitler, to which the US Embassy in Tel Aviv responded with a condemnation.

When did we become concerned with any song someone sang in another country?

Talk about your thin-skinned psychopathic narcissists...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t at May 05, 2015 02:50 PM (0HooB)

251 Posted by: Jean at May 05, 2015 02:46 PM (3hIs0)

Ah, the famous piss christ riots.

As you know, I was on the front lines. Lost a lot of good men that day, but I stayed strong.

At one point I had to bum rush a crowd of angry Christians holding flasks of piss. Took down about 20 of them so that my colleague could grab a small blind child who was at risk of being trampled by the angry mob.

And that was the first time I tore my rotator cuff. But I don't need to take any credit. I was just being a journalist.

Posted by: Brian Williams at May 05, 2015 02:50 PM (AkOaV)

252 Generally speaking, she's quite right about the religion and its horrors on the extreme end. I've just known Muslims who are nothing of the sort and are appalled at what people do in the name of their faith. They aren't all one vest away from suicide bombing a kindergarden.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 05, 2015 02:46 PM (39g3+)

She doesn't say "Muslim".

see my clip link above

they keep trying to trap her into that argument

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 05, 2015 02:50 PM (IXrOn)

253 Pam Geller knows damn well she's being provocative and deliberately courted this risk. Theo van Gogh, anyone?

Personally, I thought the cartoons were sophomoric. My sense of humor is blacker than pitch.

But that's beside the point.

What makes me retch is the nauseating spirit of soi disant members of "the thinking class" who, sipping expensive drinks in their plush mansioned evenings, congratulate themselves on their moral probity and foresight.

Hypocrites! Cowards! Pam knows better than them that we are in a fight to the death. Either evil men with guns have veto power over free expression, or they do not.

The "thinking class" has already withdrawn their bill.

May they live in infamy.

Posted by: Feh at May 05, 2015 02:50 PM (g83l/)

254
Hola Comrades!
Just wanted to wish everyone a mele Cinco de Quatro!
xoxo

Posted by: Hussein the Magnificent, your Commander-In-Chief!!! at May 05, 2015 02:50 PM (wAQA5)

255 It's easier to think with feelings than facts.

Posted by: Kenway at May 05, 2015 02:50 PM (GHsm+)

256 I've just known Muslims who are nothing of the sort and are appalled at what people do in the name of their faith. They aren't all one vest away from suicide bombing a kindergarden.

To each his own. I'm not buying it. Not while their "bible" says it's perfectly acceptable for the to lie to kufirs.

Sorry. Have a reformation and get back to me after 300 years of no violence.

Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 05, 2015 02:51 PM (RcdfR)

257 249
...speech is not in fact free, due to the intolerable threats of a

determined and lunatic religious minority set on imposing their alien

laws of blasphemy against us.

But enough about the Democrats, what about the Islamists?

Posted by: Country Singer at May 05, 2015 02:49 PM (8hctH)

Well played.

Posted by: flounder at May 05, 2015 02:51 PM (ecDRv)

258 I believe Ace, with this writing, has bitch slapped those smug, arrogant assholes, right in the kisser...BRAVO!

Posted by: tbd at May 05, 2015 02:52 PM (jQdD1)

259 1. Unless you are yourself a muslim, mohammed is not "the prophet mohammed".

2. Criticism of Islam and attacking its doctrines should not be "fringe" unless we have already surrendered to them.

Posted by: despair at May 05, 2015 02:52 PM (J6suc)

260 You are spot on, in that this Gellar incident should be seen as a litmus test to shake out the real defenders of freedom of speech from the poseurs and quislings who don't have the stones or the actual belief to do so.
You either defend all who exercise it or you're a phony and thereby are to be ignored.

It should be an electric shock alarm to all real Americans that some foreign invaders actually came to America and tried to kill Americans for exercising their American liberty.
The proper response is to kill them immediately right back and make the message clear that the same will happen to the rest of their useless pals anytime they fuck with Americans.

Posted by: Leonard Pinth-Garnell at May 05, 2015 02:52 PM (Ilm6f)

261
I'll go one further than Ace - these guys are chicken shit. They are scared cowardly people that have never faced a single moment of physical danger, heck, they have probably never even been uncomfortable once in their narrow little lives.

The placating words their mouth holes are making are designed simply to prevent them from being targeted. they have to start everything they say with "on the other hand" because they DON'T want the Jihadists to get the idea to target them. It has much less to do with class aspirations than you think.

Which is, after all, the point of these attacks. To try and intimidate everyone. And if these guys are intimidated NOW, when for the most part, they are as safe and secure as they ever will be, imagine how they will act once the Jihadis do manage to kill one of them.

Posted by: PT Branum at May 05, 2015 02:52 PM (/EkKm)

262
It was all because of a video... haters....

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at May 05, 2015 02:52 PM (HSmrB)

263 I know, she avoids condemning all Islam very carefully but she bumps up against it pretty hard sometimes. Again, balance against those who treat Islam like its harmless and peaceful, but useful to note.

I think its amusing that a song by radical Muslims in Hamas about how killing Jews is worship being printed on a bus ad has got NYC all in a twist. How dare you put that out so people can see it?!? You'll endanger Muslims, can't you remember all the lynchings, mosque burnings, and anti-Islam riots after 9/11??? Well, me either but it could have happened.

And frankly, that's how they judge most of their actions: by how the wrong sort of people might react, in their dream world. Racists might do or say x, so we have to make sure we don't give them ammunition or energy!

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 05, 2015 02:53 PM (39g3+)

264 I'm Very handicapped by the phone platform but...

The thing they might hate about Geller if they know what she does.

A lot of people here at ace's predicted the slaughter that would happen in the Middle East and at the time I told people here that Americans would not give a damn because the media would choose not to show it to them it would go down in much the same way as the genocide in Rwanda did the media dictates what America is to care about.

Geller goes into that void and she reports and talks insets santos about it to the media she probably acts as their nagging conscience(although I might be giving th m too much credit). In a wYnthey -the media-have vested interest in Geller she tying the hell up.

We can have long discussions about why so many in Germany went along with Hitler as my German military history professor told it fewer and fewer people fought back and the watchers on the sidelines critiqued the style of those that fought back.

That CNN video of Geller made that idea current. The CNN host even put words in Geller's mouth right then and there that never were there she said that Geller called Islam the religion of savages,Geller never said that when Geller tried to defend herself the CNN host told Geller she didn't want to argue semantics with her. And props to Geller , Geller said severL times she didn't want to focus on the small thing which is exactly right because that is where the liberal media wins.

Posted by: River Guide at May 05, 2015 02:53 PM (RJMhd)

265
Comparing da Zero to Hitler is inappropriate in view of da Zero's lack of manhood. Hitler had a ball of steel.
Posted by: maddogg
...............................................
I prefer the Roll Over and Play Dead method of dealing with foreign policy.
Know wut ahm sayun?

Posted by: Hussein the Magnificent, your Commander-In-Chief!!! at May 05, 2015 02:53 PM (wAQA5)

266 I still think she is kinda sweet on me. Hey Pam.... There is a lot of me to love.... Let's ride.

Posted by: Cahrles Jhonson at May 05, 2015 02:53 PM (fLKzW)

267 single moment of physical danger, heck, they have probably never even been uncomfortable once in their narrow little lives.
_______

I grew up on the mean streets of Scranton!

Posted by: Bill-0 at May 05, 2015 02:53 PM (GHsm+)

268 I learned everything I needed to know about Islam on 9/11/01.

Posted by: Donna,,,,Seriously. at May 05, 2015 02:54 PM (of67s)

269 Beautifully written piece, one of the reasons I come to this place.

Posted by: troyriser at May 05, 2015 02:54 PM (S08gh)

270 The people criticizing Geller do so for one reason.

They know they will never have her courage.

Posted by: Banned From LGF at May 05, 2015 02:55 PM (1Y+hH)

271 If the First Amendment will protect a scumbag like me, it will protect all of you.

Posted by: Larry Flynt at May 05, 2015 02:55 PM (5fSr7)

272 Iranian Commander: We Won't Rest Until US is an Islamic Republic

Opposition releases clip in which Revolutionary Guards commander vows: regardless of nuclear deal, hostility with US will continue.

But hey let's worry about a Jew Song instead!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2015 02:55 PM (rDqRv)

273 Forgot, Gos bless Texas, a trial would have been a circus.

Posted by: Jean at May 05, 2015 02:55 PM (3hIs0)

274
i takes a special kind of ahole to get worked up over a cartoon

Posted by: Frito Bandito at May 05, 2015 02:55 PM (lKyWE)

275 Upper middle class buying Caterpillar stock. Figure to bank profit when they need quick trenches for execution companies.
Big business will go all IG Farben. Are you buying from the firm that will help put you down?

Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at May 05, 2015 02:55 PM (uPxUo)

276 "they DON'T want the Jihadists to get the idea to target them. It has much less to do with class aspirations than you think"

Oh, I think it does. If they keep their heads down, they can continue to go to all the right parties.

They won't step on a hornet's nest for fear of having to miss the evening's festivities.

Or of having to change their minds, which is worse.

Posted by: Feh at May 05, 2015 02:55 PM (g83l/)

277 Bravo.

Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 05, 2015 02:55 PM (LdBSs)

278 I'm a simple man.

Posted by: Bill O'Reilly at May 05, 2015 02:56 PM (wAQA5)

279 We know who turns nazi first

Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 05, 2015 02:56 PM (LdBSs)

280 i takes a special kind of ahole to get worked up over a cartoon
Posted by: Frito Bandito at May 05, 2015 02:55 PM (lKyWE)

Well not to be argumentative but have you seen some of them dirty jap ones? Now THAT you can get worked up over!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 05, 2015 02:56 PM (rDqRv)

281 That CNN video of Geller made that idea current. The CNN host even put words in Geller's mouth right then and there that never were there she said that Geller called Islam the religion of savages,Geller never said that when Geller tried to defend herself the CNN host told Geller she didn't want to argue semantics with her. And props to Geller , Geller said severL times she didn't want to focus on the small thing which is exactly right because that is where the liberal media wins.
Posted by: River Guide at May 05, 2015 02:53 PM (RJMhd)

Geller embarrassed the CNN idiot, making her face turn sourly red at times.

Geller burned her bad. She knows what she's talking about, and she was ready for the bait - set - traps

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 05, 2015 02:56 PM (IXrOn)

282 "Decadence is a moral and spiritual disease, resulting from too long a period of wealth and power, producing cynicism, decline of religion, pessimism and frivolity. The citizens of such a nation will no longer make an effort to save themselves, because they are not convinced that anything in life is worth saving."

From:

The Fate of Empires and Search for Survival

http://people.uncw.edu/kozloffm/glubb.pdf

That is all.

Posted by: Russtovich at May 05, 2015 02:57 PM (8zhoe)

283 To the conservatives, freedom of speech is a natural right of the speaker to say as he pleases.

To the leftists, freedom of speech is the privilege of saying whatever you want that does not offend the listener.

In this matter, neither can suffer the other to stand.

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at May 05, 2015 02:57 PM (Gosad)

284 I'm a simple man.
Posted by: Bill O'Reilly at May 05, 2015 02:56 PM (wAQA5)

Nailed Ace's overall concept in one sentence.

Bravo.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 05, 2015 02:57 PM (IXrOn)

285 Overall, well stated Ace.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at May 05, 2015 02:57 PM (1QQfO)

286 >>>Great post, trulyyou have your days ofabsolute clarity. I am a sad member of thatcowardly careerist sect. My father was not-- one of the few conservative, traditionalistuniversity professors.He is a great man. I am not. I like making money and having nice things and sending my children to private school and living in my neighborhood. This means I shut-up and/or nod affirmatively when a discussion(no, those aren't had - a sermon) on climate change, gays, or Islam comes up. And why not? These aren't my fields of expertise and nothing about these topics helps me actually put food on the table or a roof over my family's head. So why not justnod affirmatively and STFU. These things are a matter of religious conviction anyway - who's mind am I going to change? Am I coward yes, (but ironically) I would have to be a religious zealot to risk my life (my career, the way I pay for mychildren)on a useless, meaningless conversation. So, yes, everything that you said is correct -- but here is my question to Ace: Would you have written that if yourcareer and how you provide for your family was on the line? Maybe so, in which case you arebetter man than I (and you probably are.)

...

No, i am very much a coward too.

However, I distinguish between two paths of cowardice: saying nothing -- not peeping up on either side of things, just avoiding trouble by remaining silent -- and saying something evil just to fit in.

The latter is obviously worse than the former.

I have avoided many questions about Islamism on this very blog because I sensed, correctly, that the Social Code had turned distinctly against speaking critically of Islamism.

That said, when someone is getting shot at by Islamists for proving that if you say somethign they don't like, Islamists will shoot at you, I think one can always take the cowardly-but-less-objectionable path and just say nothing at all.

Honestly, I came pretty close to taking that easy way out, even here, both because I didn't really feel like getting into this and because, as you see, it's a bit of a long argument (and I have more to add, a lot more).

So I understand just saying nothing.

I don't think Kirchick or Popehat or any of these other guys are bad guys.

I think they are thinking the wrong thing.

I hope to put that idea in their minds, so that they can chew it over.

Posted by: ace at May 05, 2015 02:57 PM (PA7DS)

287 Unless you are yourself a muslim, mohammed is not "the prophet mohammed".

Yeah, that one really annoys me. Could you now call Moses "The friend of God Moses" and Jesus "The Savior Jesus, the Christ?" You can always offer "messiah" for Christ if you must.

Or just stop giving this one guy a special honorific. You know why they are doing it though. Right after 9/11 nearly every news organization in America hired Muslims to help make sure they weren't being "insensitive" and these guys are working it hard.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 05, 2015 02:57 PM (39g3+)

288 Thanks Ace, and well said.

Posted by: An Observation at May 05, 2015 02:57 PM (j6ras)

289 Awesome post, Ace. Thank you for posting this amazing piece. It is really, what life is all about. We are so bound by our class rules. It takes over our lives. I've found that when you've challenged people on their classism/elitism even on the tiniest things, they get extremely uncomfortable. For instance, I drove a 1998 Toyota 4Runner forever and my inlaws hated it. They thought it was beneath me and the family to be driving it. Even though it was a perfectly good safe vehicle and I loved it. That's not even on the same stratosphere as what Geller did but I see this elitist attitude everywhere. It infects everything.

Posted by: Adrienne at May 05, 2015 02:57 PM (9Ia+W)

290 Edit. And in away the media have a vested interest in Geller shutting up

Posted by: River Guide at May 05, 2015 02:57 PM (RJMhd)

291 "To be a traitor to one's Class is to be a patriot towards humanity."

Well said.

Posted by: Feh at May 05, 2015 02:58 PM (g83l/)

292 When do they call her a pushy jew

Posted by: Thunder B, Shapeshifter at May 05, 2015 02:58 PM (LdBSs)

293 It is a class which is deathly afraid of social stigma, and lives in class-based fear being grouped with the wrong people,
and which is more interested in Career, quite frankly, than in the
actual tradecraft of that Career, which is clarity of thought and
clarity of expression.

This in a nut shell is why democrats and democrat media make personal attacks, you are a racist, etc. It is an attempt to shame the upper middle class conservative into being quiet.

Don't want to upset the folks out at the "club" or be talked about as well, you know a red neck or something.

We are losing the culture wars to these pussies. Having been there and done this, the shaming affects your entire family, while is a powerful tool to make you STFU.

Your wife wants to know why you hate people? Why won't you help these people, blah blah blah. The people at the club don't want to go out with us cause you are so mean, etc.

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 05, 2015 02:58 PM (0FSuD)

294 Big business will go all IG Farben. Are you buying from the firm that will help put you down?
Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at May 05, 2015 02:55 PM (uPxUo)
***********

Posted by: Truck Monkey is a Mime..... Serious at May 05, 2015 02:59 PM (fLKzW)

295 A ball, awesome

Posted by: Jean at May 05, 2015 02:59 PM (3hIs0)

296
Well not to be argumentative but have you seen some of them dirty jap ones? Now THAT you can get worked up over!

in fairness pearl harbor and the batan death march could have had something to do with those

Posted by: kj at May 05, 2015 03:00 PM (lKyWE)

297 This is just the beginning of the trouble.
But in the end God will fix it.

Posted by: MarkC at May 05, 2015 03:00 PM (b4REM)

298 "So why not just nod affirmatively and STFU"

I used to smile noncommittally and change the subject.

Now I'm pushing 50 and just snort. Then I wait for their reaction. Usually they STFU first.

Posted by: Feh at May 05, 2015 03:00 PM (g83l/)

299 "Sorry. Have a reformation and get back to me after 300 years of no violence."

I've known a few moderate Muslims. I'd estimate less than 1/10 of the Muslims I've known (and living near Dearbornistan and Akronistan years back I've met my share) would qualify as actually tolerant, pro-democratic and pro-Western. These also tend to be folks who a) don't hate the Joos and b) aren't observant, mosque-attending Muslims. Class loyalty and status applies even more strongly on their side of the fence where guns as well as stigma are deployed to keep dissenters in line.

So I'd agree that a Reformation-level rethink is necessary on their side.
However, Muslims seem in no hurry to bring that about. It's up to us to stand as strongly against them as necessary to preserve our own cultural space while they figure it out - and yes that means mass deportations, social/economic ostracization and even outright violence if necessary - they set the tone, we respond in kind.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at May 05, 2015 03:01 PM (QKIQb)

300 >>Geller burned her bad. She knows what she's talking about, and she was ready for the bait - set - traps

Thing is, it really isn't that hard. There's a reason that it is the first enumerated right. It is the heart and soul of the Republic.

You either understand what America is about or you don't.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 05, 2015 03:01 PM (g1DWB)

301 Big business will go all IG Farben. Are you buying from the firm that will help put you down?
Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at May 05, 2015 02:55 PM (uPxUo)
********
What I meant to say was my Father in Law was a slave for IG Farben/Bayer during the war. Was compensated by them through the German Govt every month until he died in 2008.

Posted by: Truck Monkey is a Mime..... Serious at May 05, 2015 03:01 PM (fLKzW)

302 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 05, 2015 02:57 PM (39g3+)

Again, I don't blame the media that much. They need to specify "The Prophet Muhammed" sometimes to make it clear they're talking about THAT Muhammed and not Muhammed the cab driver.

I don't know how else they could easily do that.

Posted by: Brian Williams at May 05, 2015 03:01 PM (AkOaV)

303 oops sock off

Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 03:02 PM (AkOaV)

304 "This in a nut shell is why democrats and democrat media make personal attacks, you are a racist, etc. It is an attempt to shame the upper middle class conservative into being quiet."

Nip, precisely. I've seen this over, and over, and over again. Progs are collectivists. They herd. Like delicate gazelles, their fragile ego's need to sniff the air and make sure their social space is safe from predators.

Deny this to them.

Posted by: Feh at May 05, 2015 03:02 PM (g83l/)

305 Artisanal 'ette

Correct. Geller knows her subject matter cold unlike a talking head that is hired for their looks.

Posted by: River Guide at May 05, 2015 03:02 PM (RJMhd)

306 Cant stand Oreily.. Not sure how he is the #1 show

He speaks as if he and he alone is the final say on all issues.

It's kind of jack-waggon(y)

Posted by: melodicmetal1 at May 05, 2015 03:02 PM (MV2jA)

307 A person can defend another's right to free speech while at the same time criticizing their speech. Free speech does not mean speech without any criticism or disagreement. Free speech means putting things into the marketplace of ideas (unfettered by gov't restriction) for people to agree with those things, or disagree or criticize or applaud or whatever.

One can defend Gellar's right to do what she did and at the same time criticize her for what she did. That is very fair. There's a lot of speech out there that I disagree with for any number of reasons. But they have every right to speak, write, etc. whatever they want.

Posted by: The truth at May 05, 2015 03:02 PM (ibvmu)

308 NY Times Banner 1965: All the News That's Fit to Print
NY Times Banner 2015: All the News That's Fit to Print, BUT"

Posted by: kbdabear at May 05, 2015 03:03 PM (GrXXa)

309 Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at May 05, 2015 03:01 PM (QKIQb)

Yes, a not insignificant number of Muslims in this country are Muslims in the same way I'm "Catholic" -- their parents were Muslim, they go to mosques occasionally on holidays, and... thats about it.

Worldwide, they are a tiny tiny minority, since mosque attendance is socially.... VERY encouraged... in countries with large muslim populations.

Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 03:04 PM (AkOaV)

310 "What has happened to our so-called conservative men?"

They've been emasculated, you see. Eunuchs in the service of the Ruling Class.

Posted by: theduchessofkitty at May 05, 2015 03:04 PM (NtsQB)

311 No, i am very much a coward too.

when your livelihood is at stake...
that is what they are all counting on

fear

lawsuits put a damper on bravehearts, too

**back to sunbathing

great post

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 05, 2015 03:05 PM (IXrOn)

312 *reads ace's post* IT'S IN THE HOLE!

Posted by: Carl Spackler at May 05, 2015 03:05 PM (JO9+V)

313 Also, if all it takes to get these whack jobs out of hiding is to stage a freaking CARTOON contest, then STAGE MORE.

It's a win - win. We piss on their 'prophet' and then shoot them in the eye when they roll up in their jihad wagon.

Yay!

Posted by: melodicmetal1 at May 05, 2015 03:05 PM (MV2jA)

314 Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 02:47 PM (AkOaV)

Yup, looks like I had the wrong idea of the severity necessary for "fightin' words".... the SC case wasn't all that insulting, at least by today's standards....

http://tinyurl.com/bzpxlh

Posted by: Dirty Randy at May 05, 2015 03:05 PM (jjaLl)

315 Geert Wilders is consistently described as a far right-wing nutjob. He's a socialist, just like the rest of them, but departs from the rest of the left in one regard: He does not want to submit to Islamist culture.

Posted by: huerfano at May 05, 2015 03:05 PM (bynk/)

316 We need to get some Japanese man a type cartoonists on task. They would produce some elegant, blasphemous stuff.

Posted by: Jean at May 05, 2015 03:05 PM (3hIs0)

317 since mosque attendance is socially.... VERY encouraged...

Jello salad doesn't eat it's self

Posted by: wrg500 at May 05, 2015 03:05 PM (S+el1)

318 criticize her for what she did.

What your criticism?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 05, 2015 03:05 PM (MeuoO)

319 "a Reformation-level rethink is necessary on their side"

They had that. They're called Shi'ites.

Islam is in schism.

The only way out, in the long run, is to historicize the Koran and carve off huge chunks of it as a fraud.

Their universities could do good work here.

They probably won't.

Posted by: Feh at May 05, 2015 03:06 PM (g83l/)

320 his means I shut-up and/or nod affirmatively when a discussion(no, those aren't had - a sermon) on climate change, gays, or Islam comes up. And why not? These aren't my fields of expertise and nothing about these topics helps me actually put food on the table or a roof over my family's head. So why not justnod affirmatively and STFU. These things are a matter of religious conviction anyway - who's mind am I going to change?

-----

I understand not being your field of expertise sometimes i think perhaps i don't know how to do the good and successful argument.

It is not about religious convictions. a aborted two term baby is a sentient human whether i like G-d or not.

Speech is a right we were gifted in our country that is important to keep as we are supposedly a Free people unlike no others on earth.

allwing climate change -epa- carbon credit to steal from peoples all over the world to benefit Whom?

when you give China, India and other countries tickets out?
it is allowing theft while simultaneously benefiting your cronies, Pay to Play schemes.

Posted by: willow at May 05, 2015 03:06 PM (nqBYe)

321 One can defend Gellar's right to do what she did and at the same time criticize her for what she did. That is very fair.

I agree, with some conditions. As I wrote above, there's a time and place, and just after someone was attacked by armed gunmen determined to murder her is not the time or place. And there's motivation and intent. These people are on the whole not interested in voicing concerns while on the side of free speech, they're on the side of worrying what their peers will say, afraid of angering Muslims for fear of their lives, and most of all they don't like Ms Gellar and what she stands for so they want to make sure they're counted again her.

And to a certain degree, I understand the fear. I'm nobody. If I say "Muhammad was a goat-raping pederast" nobody will even hear me let alone know who I am. But if, say, Shepherd Smith does, well he's easy to find and lots of people hear him. So its easy for me to be brave, and less so for him - or Mrs Gellar.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 05, 2015 03:07 PM (39g3+)

322 Geller should have summarized: "It appears that at CNN, power does come from the barrel of a gun, and apparently respect does too."

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at May 05, 2015 03:07 PM (ompLI)

323 : He does not want to submit to Islamist culture.

Since he is gsy and doesn't want to be thrown off a building.

Posted by: Jean at May 05, 2015 03:07 PM (3hIs0)

324 Posted by: Dirty Randy at May 05, 2015 03:05 PM (jjaLl)

Yeah, he called him a "fascist" that's right.

I knew it was something that wasn't what I'd consider super offensive but offended the guys "honor"

Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 03:07 PM (AkOaV)

325 >>>318 criticize her for what she did.

What your criticism?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 05, 2015 03:05 PM (MeuoO)

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I'd like to hear the answer, too.

Posted by: Y-not at May 05, 2015 03:08 PM (9BRsg)

326 being a coward is easy...

until the bill comes do. he just wants to be the last one eaten by the beast.

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 05, 2015 03:08 PM (pZtrP)

327 In America, Ms. Gellar and others have the right to speak their minds freely, regardless of whom it may offend. I believe that wholeheartedly.

I personally would not have chosen to do what she did, mostly because I'm not that courageous, quite frankly. Having such a contest seems like a way to taunt the bear and invite just such a literal attack from unhinged maniacs who are afraid of drawings. So, not my first choice of things to do. However, I applaud her courage in doing so.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at May 05, 2015 03:08 PM (/Ho8c)

328 That Muslim homophobia thing is just right wing propaganda. Totes.

Posted by: Typical Lefty at May 05, 2015 03:08 PM (GHsm+)

329 Posted by:�Christopher Taylor�at May 05, 2015 02:46 PM (39g3+)

I actually don't give a rat's ass about Muslims who are appalled by radical Islam.

About 0.0001% of them are doing something about. The rest can go fuck themselves

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 05, 2015 03:08 PM (7G/wk)

330 Gellar walks the walk where others merely talk the talk....

but where do we go from here?

Posted by: WestSideJoe at May 05, 2015 03:08 PM (IdLE/)

331 There has been no warming for 18 years, something which the IPCC models FAILED to predict.

Their models are based on surface temperature only. The University of East Anglia revelations established that the warmist scientists deliberately manipulated and altered even that surface temperature data to create a "warming" trend.

The other data sets show NO WARMING AT ALL, let alone warming due to man-made CO2.

It is complete bullshit.

It is a scam designed to a) consolidate global power, and b) spike the US economy.

Posted by: Feh at May 05, 2015 03:09 PM (g83l/)

332 back to sunbathing

You know the rule!

The only way out, in the long run, is to historicize the Koran and carve off huge chunks of it as a fraud.

With recent discoveries in the roots and origins of Arabic language, there's a great opportunity to take one of those really, really old copies of the Koran and look it over for proper translation. Lots of chances there to fix some stuff.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 05, 2015 03:09 PM (39g3+)

333 This is how the Ace vs. Pamela thing started;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTw1lzxTAis

Posted by: kbdabear at May 05, 2015 03:10 PM (GrXXa)

334 There is not a small bit of rank anti-Semitism in the way Pam Gellar is being treated. It is of a piece with how the so-called intellectual Left treats Israel.

Jews are not supposed to fight. They are supposed to keep their heads down and go peacefully to the gas chambers.

Israel has said Hell No to that. So has Pam Gellar. She may act like an asshole sometimes, and so has Netanyahu, but I'll never speak against either of them on a blog or in public. Gellar is saying and doing stuff that needs to be said and done. I really don't give a flying fuck how abrasive she is or whose white suburban feathers she ruffles. God bless her.

We need Jews Who Fight. No matter how declasse they are to the ruling class.

Posted by: rockmom at May 05, 2015 03:10 PM (Q4elb)

335 "Worldwide, they are a tiny tiny minority, since mosque attendance is
socially.... VERY encouraged... in countries with large muslim
populations. "

Exactly.

"They had that. They're called Shi'ites.
Islam is in schism."

Steyn points out that radical Islam in general may BE their Reformation.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at May 05, 2015 03:10 PM (QKIQb)

336 our betters, We Know what the islamists will do .

and they got their marching orders with ;

The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam

Posted by: willow at May 05, 2015 03:11 PM (nqBYe)

337
I think islam already had its reformation it was called the 1960's and 1970's.
Where they dressed western

Then boom the shaw of I ran fell and now everyone is in a burka.

Posted by: yo! at May 05, 2015 03:12 PM (q+zA9)

338 I'm just lookin' out for the folks.

Posted by: Ted Baxter at May 05, 2015 03:12 PM (nFdGS)

339 Steyn points out that radical Islam in general may BE their Reformation.

They chose poorly then.

Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 05, 2015 03:12 PM (RcdfR)

340 "easy for me to be brave, and less so for him"

Only because nobody would have Shep's back. If we all stand shoulder to shoulder, and conceal-carry, we are going to be alright.

They can pick off the occasional stray. They cannot defeat an organized America.

Posted by: Feh at May 05, 2015 03:13 PM (g83l/)

341 So Anonymouse did something good. Tipped off Garland PD. (Not that they used the information though)

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 05, 2015 03:13 PM (fWAjv)

342 It pisses me off that the left gets to embrace their fringe provocateurs, but we think we need to kick ours. Who was the piss Christ artist? Is he shunned by the left? Hasn't he always been embraced by the left.

Posted by: Dave at May 05, 2015 03:14 PM (+vJK2)

343 "To escape the Matrix, you must first see the Matrix -- something Andrew Breitbart was fond of observing."

And then we must tell the Matrix to go fuck itself, out loud and proud.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at May 05, 2015 03:14 PM (ompLI)

344 "Ted Baxter"

Oh, for the days when media people were the target of good-natured humor.

Nowadays, they almost always deserve scorn.

Posted by: Feh at May 05, 2015 03:14 PM (g83l/)

345 "That said, when someone is getting shot at by Islamists for proving that if you say somethign they don't like, Islamists will shoot at you, I think one can always take the cowardly-but-less-objectionable path and just say nothing at all."

^Also THIS.

Some folks had to show their loyalty to their tribe by taking gratuitous shots at PG while they pretended to defend free speech.

Posted by: Y-not at May 05, 2015 03:14 PM (9BRsg)

346 So Anonymouse did something good. Tipped off Garland PD. (Not that they used the information though)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 05, 2015 03:13 PM (fWAjv)

i missed that ?

Posted by: willow at May 05, 2015 03:15 PM (nqBYe)

347
**back to sunbathing

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 05, 2015 03:05 PM (IXrOn)

Go on . . . .

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at May 05, 2015 03:15 PM (mf5HN)

348 I drove a 1998 Toyota 4Runner forever and my inlaws hated it. They thought it was beneath me and the family to be driving it. Even though it was a perfectly good safe vehicle and I loved it. That's not even on the same stratosphere as what Geller did but I see this elitist attitude everywhere. It infects everything.
Posted by: Adrienne at May 05, 2015 02:57 PM (9Ia+W)

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OMG, Adrienne. A damn Toyota 4Runner?

Posted by: Soona at May 05, 2015 03:15 PM (/HX7u)

349 Yea, Ace.
I don't do business through the internet, so I'll send Gellar some coin, and she can send some your way.
Freedom is the principle. Freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of association, freedom of contract. One who supports freedom off speech as a principle will support freedom of speech for communists. One who supports freedom of association and freedom of contract will support freedom of association and freedom of contract for Christian florists and Christian pizza cooks. One does not have to be a Christian, a florist or a pizza cook to take this position. Too many people just don't get it.

Posted by: Malcolm Kirkpatrick at May 05, 2015 03:15 PM (IbUUZ)

350 Oh and I still want to know if CNN will be sending Geller and Wilders pinball machines.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at May 05, 2015 03:15 PM (mf5HN)

351 Just spitballin' here, Ace, but I think you are perhaps overlooking a middle ground here that, in its own way, is every bit as valid as staking out positions of Heroism and Cowardice in this matter.

Ms. Gellar has every right to speak freely and promote whereof she speaks. Leaving Choom Boy and his ilk aside -- and I wish to G*d we could -- the entire resources of the United States should be available to protect her right and her being. As it should be for anyone who wishes to speak in opposition to her.

Personally, I think her actions in Garland were needless -- and, more important, pointless -- provocation. The wackier tenets of Islam, which is to say damn near all of them, should be ignored and marginalized. And yet, so long as they play by the rules, as many do (for whatever reason), they don't need or deserve to have others' contempt rubbed in their faces. In that way, by being in this country, they enjoy the same rights as, say, Catholics.

So I think it's great that you are supporting Ms. Gellar's rights. Every American must do likewise. If you also want to support the rights of some down-home backwoods church where snake-handling is practiced, I'll cheer you on for that as well. Even though I think both acts are essentially mindless wastes of time, and those involved have some responsibility if they get bitten.

Posted by: MrScribbler at May 05, 2015 03:15 PM (P8YHq)

352 Posted by: Truck Monkey is a Mime..... Serious at May 05, 2015 03:01 PM (fLKzW)

Outlived the 1,000 year Reich by 63 years.

I hope he paid for a Bar Mitzvah or two or three with that money.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 05, 2015 03:15 PM (7G/wk)

353 Then boom the shaw of I ran fell and now everyone is in a burka.

Posted by: yo! at May 05, 2015 03:12 PM (q+zA9)

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Egypt and Lebanon, too. Those were very cosmopolitan cities at one time. And Afghanistan. Someone had photos of Afghanistan in the 60s and it looked very hip.

Posted by: Bruce J at May 05, 2015 03:15 PM (iQIUe)

354 Steyn points out that radical Islam in general may BE their Reformation.

I think he may be right, that the Wahhabist movement in the late 19th century was their reformation. Given that the reformation was about getting back to scripture's original statements and not centuries of added doctrine by scholars and teachers, its a bit backward - wahhabists add lots of extra stuff to the Koran - but it does seem to be the turning point.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 05, 2015 03:16 PM (39g3+)

355 ""The Prophet Muhammed" sometimes to make it clear they're talking about THAT Muhammed and not Muhammed the cab driver. "

Yeah, just like they say "Jesus Christ, the Lord and Savior" to differentiate Him from Jesus, your lawn guy.

Posted by: Lauren at May 05, 2015 03:16 PM (MYCIw)

356 241 A you paranoid Wingnuts still talking about this Ugly Shreiking Harpy? I bid you adieu

Posted by: Cahrles Jhonson at May 05, 2015 02:53 PM (fLKzW)

That fat fuck still claims that Pammy was all over him at the PJM party and "I couldn't wait to get away"

Yeh Fatass, to her hotel room

Posted by: kbdabear at May 05, 2015 03:16 PM (GrXXa)

357 Part of this too may be the not wanting to be 'one of those Christians' on the class thing.Christianity and religion in general is not something certain classes want to be associated with.

Posted by: yo! at May 05, 2015 03:16 PM (q+zA9)

358 Ms. Gellar was, along with all her fellow confreres, the target of an actual assassination plot by heavily-armed jihadists determined to murder her and others present for daring to act like Americans while within the borders of the state formerly called America.

So worth repeating.

I remember reading in some obscure medical literature once that cancer and the human body are not strangers. That a person could 'have cancer' six or seven times in a lifetime and be totally unaware of it. A healthy person with a good immune response system beats the hell out of the cancer cells at the earliest stage. Pounds them into submission, rips them apart, then carries the material off for disposal. This, unfortunately, only works in a healthy individual.

But that has nothing to do with anything. Just your 'healthy living tip' for today.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at May 05, 2015 03:17 PM (xQX/f)

359 I hate Gandhi. He thought the Jews wd have been better served it they had all marched non violently into the gas chambers.

Gandhi was a perv, too, fixated on little girls and ass play.

Posted by: Bruce J at May 05, 2015 03:17 PM (iQIUe)

360 i missed that ?

Posted by: willow at May 05, 2015 03:15 PM (nqBYe)

http://tinyurl.com/q4e2h78

he global community of hackers has been known to keep tabs on, and pester, Twitter accounts linked to ISIS militants.

On Friday evening, the unnamed Anonymous member came upon references to a looming attack in Garland, Texas, made by the user @AnsarAlUmmah49.

The woman sent a message to the Garland Police Department's Twitter account that read: 'we feel something is in preparation about an exposition in your city. Please follow this # twitter.com/AnsarAlUmmah49...'

But despite the good Samaritan's efforts, her tip never made it to the desk of the right people at the department.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 05, 2015 03:17 PM (fWAjv)

361 318, My criticism of what she did is that she was just trying to piss people off by doing something that some find religiously offensive. She was trying to offend and hurt some people. That doesn't make any violence against her acceptable. But it also doesn't make her intent to offend acceptable. Neither are. The violence was much, much worse.

Posted by: The truth at May 05, 2015 03:18 PM (ibvmu)

362
"in all likelihood, she scrambles to find long-term security to protect her life?"

Has someone mentioned yet, that THESE ARE the hills to die on?

Posted by: flounder at May 05, 2015 02:20 PM (ecDRv)

I realize that it is shorthand for "fight to the death," but I really don't like that phrase.
I much prefer "hills to fight on."

Losing this fight is not inevitable, and we should neither speak nor act as though it were.

Posted by: revolting peasant at May 05, 2015 03:18 PM (WyLb8)

363 "They chose poorly then."

Only if we make them pay for that decision. So far the West has shown them that they can be hatemongering anti-reason absolutist medievalists and enjoy all the benefits of modern society from cellphones to welfare to air travel. If they won't respect the values that make those things possible, they should be denied them.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at May 05, 2015 03:18 PM (QKIQb)

364 Well said, The truth.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at May 05, 2015 03:18 PM (/Ho8c)

365 ". If you also want to support the rights of some down-home backwoods church where snake-handling is practiced"

As a Pentecostal American I am greatly offended by your slander of our denomination and will not stand for this! I KILL YOU.

Perfectly a-ok, right libs?

Posted by: Lauren at May 05, 2015 03:19 PM (MYCIw)

366 Posted by: rockmom at May 05, 2015 03:10 PM (Q4elb)

Marry me!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 05, 2015 03:19 PM (7G/wk)

367 With recent discoveries in the roots and origins of Arabic language, there's a great opportunity to take one of those really, really old copies of the Koran and look it over for proper translation. Lots of chances there to fix some stuff.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 05, 2015 03:09 PM (39g3+)

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BUT, there's always the chance that it'll make it worse.

Posted by: Soona at May 05, 2015 03:19 PM (/HX7u)

368 Yeah, just like they say "Jesus Christ, the Lord and Savior" to differentiate Him from Jesus, your lawn guy.

Yeah, exactly.

Gandhi was a perv, too, fixated on little girls and ass play.

This is fun to spring on people that venerate him. Gandhi wasn't a saint, and he wasn't a monster. People act like the man was Jesus Buddha and he wasn't. He was reprehensible in many ways - in South Africa he didn't give a damn about blacks, only Indians, for example.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 05, 2015 03:20 PM (39g3+)

369 Ace,

Might I have your permission to convert this to a PDF, and make printouts to give to some friends?

They don't frequent the online world, but this'll be great reading for 'em, regardless of their political polarity.

Thanks!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 05, 2015 03:20 PM (7x4lH)

370 ty ,RWC

Posted by: willow at May 05, 2015 03:20 PM (nqBYe)

371 We will never truly have free speech as long as those who revile free speech are allowed to come and live among us with the full intention of imposing their views on us. Our "broken immigration system" is broken in the sense that it allows these people entry, when its very purpose was to keep undesirable people out of the country, just as it formerly excluded people with dangerous diseases. It now is nothing more than a rubber stamp, making the difference between legal and illegal immigration nothing more than a government employee having checked a box on a form.

Posted by: despair at May 05, 2015 03:20 PM (J6suc)

372 #351 I don't know how you can say that Gellar's act here was at all pointless. She has been saying for MONTHS that ISIS is operating here in the US. She has been saying for YEARS that jihadists are operating openly within the US borders. She got little to no traction in the MSM despite mountains of evidence she has doggedly uncovered and hundreds of blog posts she has written to prove her point.

So she did what she had to to to prove her point, even putting her own life in danger in the process. That is how strongly she believes in he point. AND SHE PROVED IT.

Now the American media HAVE to cover this story, because people are dead and they have been positively ID'd as jihadists and ISIS has taken credit for their dastardly attack.

I would say this is exactly the opposite of pointless!

Posted by: rockmom at May 05, 2015 03:21 PM (NYnoe)

373 Here's a project of Andres Serrano's that we could all respect:

http://tinyurl.com/o7hyqtc

Posted by: Feh at May 05, 2015 03:21 PM (g83l/)

374 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 05, 2015 03:16 PM (39g3+)

The guy who founded the Muslim bro'hood (Sayyid Qutb) was a big reformer back in the 1950s.

Essentially, he came to America, saw "decadence" (this was the '50s, keep in mind), and wanted to push Islam back towards it original trajectory and roots.

The Wahhabists are a pretty small sect. They have outsized influence due to Saudi money funding Wahhabi mosques all over the world, but their reformation is not the fundamental driver of todays events.

The Egyptian Muslim BroHood is the impetus for today's jihadin'.

But the thing is, even in the brief "enlightened" period of Islam, there was still jihad. It's always existed.

Just in ebbs and flows.

Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 03:21 PM (AkOaV)

375 Horde!

Are any of you people doing anything worthwhile?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at May 05, 2015 03:21 PM (gW5Vg)

376 "She was trying to offend and hurt some people."

FFS. No, she wasn't. She was saying "people have been murdered for these pictures, and we will NOT bow down to those murderers."

It's not about making little MoMo cry, it's about standing up to those who would literally slit your throat in the street without blinking an eye.

Posted by: Lauren at May 05, 2015 03:21 PM (MYCIw)

377
>>>>Personally, I think her actions in Garland were needless -- and, more important, pointless -- provocation.

so you are saying there is a 'thug veto' ?

What happens say, when the Tea Party takes up rifles because of -pointless -- provocation-
??

Posted by: yo! at May 05, 2015 03:21 PM (q+zA9)

378 Ace -
If you weren't so ugly, I'd kiss you for posting this:
Americans, acting under the influence of America, were fucking shot at by crazed religious cultists seeking to impose a cancerous religious lunacy on America.

Thank you.

Us Americans - all of us - white or black, Republican or Democrat, Christian Jew or ?? - desperately need to grow a pair.

At what point are we going to stop sacrificing at the altar of PC and unfairness? When are we going to realize that the core of our country, our foundation, our morals are coming under direct assault? Are we going to stand up and say enough is enough? A stake must be placed in the ground NOW. This spot - and no further shall we retreat.

Remember the Poltergeist movie quote - "They're here....". Guess what. The radical islamists are on our soil now. The enemy isn't at our gates - they are inside the wire. Contemplate that thought - and sleep tight fellow morons.

Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at May 05, 2015 03:21 PM (DlmoZ)

379 And still, even here, people continue to try to split hairs and think with their feelings. Pathetic.

Posted by: Kenway at May 05, 2015 03:21 PM (GHsm+)

380 its a bit backward - wahhabists add lots of extra stuff to the Koran - but it does seem to be the turning point.

Who added Sura 2.191?
"Slay the unbelievers where you find them"

Yeah, that's a sticking point with me.
Along with being allowed to lie.

Because that means I don't even trust the "moderates".

Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 05, 2015 03:21 PM (RcdfR)

381 Well said, Ace.

And Bill O'Reilly is more like Ted Baxter every day. I no longer can stand to watch is show. Ditto Sean Hannity.

Posted by: Michael Haz at May 05, 2015 03:21 PM (APCKW)

382 "Personally, I think her actions in Garland were needless -- and, more important, pointless -- provocation."

I have to disagree 100%.

It is absolutely necessary to show everyone just how fucking insane the muslims are. And to show that we will not be cowed into submission by these murderous pieces of shit. To tiptoe around, and not offend under threat of death' is just plain un-American.

Posted by: Dirty Randy at May 05, 2015 03:21 PM (jjaLl)

383 Are any of you people doing anything worthwhile?

Um, not really, here.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at May 05, 2015 03:22 PM (/Ho8c)

384 My criticism of what she did is that she was just trying to piss people off by doing something that some find religiously offensive. She was trying to offend and hurt some people.

You're presuming something I do not believe is in evidence. The whole thing was set up as a freedom of speech statement, not a "f-Muslims" circus. They didn't sell inflatable sheep and films of Muslims being mocked. It was just a statement demonstrating that in this country, you're free to express yourself about topics, even if it angers some people, and doing it in such a strong public way as to make that statement more strongly.

The word for what you're doing here is "calumny" in which one interprets the actions or words of someone in the worst possible light.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 05, 2015 03:22 PM (39g3+)

385 The elite media's reaction to the Garland shootings in song and dance;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA6R1DMb-Z8

Posted by: kbdabear at May 05, 2015 03:22 PM (GrXXa)

386 >>Are any of you people doing anything worthwhile?does fappin count?

Posted by: yo! at May 05, 2015 03:22 PM (q+zA9)

387 Your wife wants to know why you hate people? Why won't you help these people, blah blah blah. The people at the club don't want to go out with us cause you are so mean, etc.

This. Exactly this. This is what I live with. Why would I want to spend time with "friends" who think I'm evil?

My wife says to ignore it, to not take it personally. But how can I not? And this isn't even to mention the double standard, that if I start in on how the Gaystapo is ruining the world, well, I'm the guy being insensitive to the gay people with whom she is friends.

So yeah - it's bad.

Posted by: @JohnTant` at May 05, 2015 03:23 PM (eytER)

388 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 05, 2015 03:20 PM (39g3+)

I thought Ghandi just slept with young girls in his bed in order to 'face the temptation'.

Heh.

Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 03:23 PM (AkOaV)

389 Great essay Ace.
As low as my expectations were for the American media on this Jihadi attack i have to admit I have been honestly shocked at how many in the MSM blame the (intended) victims and when challenged have absolutely no coherent defense of their position. If Keith Ellison ran for President he would be a shoo-in to poll well and then become Hillary's vice because "Historic First!" and "See! We are sooper tolerant." The pundit class in this Country are worse than Argentina or Venezuela and would probably support a Black guy who was a self professed Marxist for President given half a chance.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at May 05, 2015 03:23 PM (NHtMs)

390 Great post Ace, you and the Cobs have been tearing it up!

Posted by: BuckIV at May 05, 2015 03:23 PM (mE/ao)

391 Bravo Ace.

I never understood BOR's appeal.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at May 05, 2015 03:23 PM (0LHZx)

392 Hear! Hear!!!!

As I've said many times, we need to start getting bloody in the streets. While we still can get drive thru easily, it's tough to really foment that kind of movement. Times are a changing, however.

Posted by: prescient11 at May 05, 2015 03:23 PM (q5APL)

393 Um, not really, here.
Posted by: Moderate Salami at May 05, 2015 03:22 PM (/Ho8c)

Standard.

does fappin count?
Posted by: yo! at May 05, 2015 03:22 PM (q+zA9)

Always.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at May 05, 2015 03:24 PM (gW5Vg)

394 BOR gives us Irish a bad name.

Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at May 05, 2015 03:24 PM (DlmoZ)

395 of a determined and lunatic religious minority

I'd go with determined minority of lunatic religion but nobody is stalking me.

Posted by: DaveA at May 05, 2015 03:24 PM (DL2i+)

396 "318, My criticism of what she did is that she was just trying to piss
people off by doing something that some find religiously offensive. She
was trying to offend and hurt some people. That doesn't make any
violence against her acceptable. But it also doesn't make her intent to
offend acceptable. Neither are. The violence was much, much worse.

Posted by: The truth at May 05, 2015 03:18 PM (ibvmu)"
No. This is completely wrong.
She was not "just trying to piss people off." She was telling them that they CANNOT make her respect their faith, their ideas, or them.
Their threats damn well demanded the in-your-face rebuttal that she gave them, and their resort to violence demanded the shot-like-rabid-dogs fate that befell them.
"May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."

Posted by: revolting peasant at May 05, 2015 03:24 PM (zNefn)

397 >>>**back to sunbathing
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 05, 2015 03:05 PM (IXrOn)<<<

Care to come over for a swim. You won't have to worry about tan lines...
**drops towel, dives in pool**

Posted by: Joke Biden at May 05, 2015 03:24 PM (1FyZ2)

398 IF you are offended , what makes it impossible to Ignore the person- event-blog? Hell i'm offended by shit all the time, like i'm an imbecile and can't do something else or look somewhere else?

this is about them searching for things to be offended by.

this reminds me of the special flowers being offended by a man walking by.

it's b.s

you have the right to ignore. not to use extreme violence or the govt to shut other people up.

or maybe not. maybe we aren't really american free people anymore.

Posted by: willow at May 05, 2015 03:24 PM (nqBYe)

399 Worthwhile? Uh, does laundry count?

Posted by: Lauren at May 05, 2015 03:24 PM (MYCIw)

400 Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at May 05, 2015 03:21 PM (gW5Vg)

define worthwhile...

Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 03:25 PM (AkOaV)

401 "Pointless provocation"

Posted by: MrScribbler at May 05, 2015 03:15 PM (P8YHq)

Wrong.

The point was clear, and made forcefully by the scum who tried to interfere with this most basic right.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 05, 2015 03:25 PM (7G/wk)

402 I'd like to face the temptation by "sleeping" sandwiched between Kate Upton and that girl ace has had a hard on for lately.

Posted by: Kenway at May 05, 2015 03:25 PM (GHsm+)

403 "wahhabists add lots of extra stuff to the Koran"

More a matter of emphasizing and interpreting rather than changing the Koranic verbiage, which is verboten in Islam. They use different post-Koranic sources like the hadith to the same effect. The material is similar in application to the New Testament era writings where later disciples and students discuss what Jesus did and said. Some hadith are considered more authoritative than others, and wahabbis deploy their own special blend along with the "mainstream" sayings.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at May 05, 2015 03:25 PM (QKIQb)

404 BOR gives us Irish a bad name.>>>

Because he does his show sober?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 05, 2015 03:25 PM (wrS2o)

405 Heh.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at May 05, 2015 03:25 PM (/Ho8c)

406 because yes, i'm studying for lsats, doing work (you know, that place that gives me money), and wasting time commenting on a blog run by an ewok.

Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 03:25 PM (AkOaV)

407 Very well done, Ace. The reaction from the left and too much of the right has been fucking cowardly. Was there any criticism of the fucking terrorists in the MFM?

Posted by: Afroman at May 05, 2015 03:25 PM (SJfCo)

408 And in case there are any jihadists reading this. The score stands
Texas 1
Jihadists 0

Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at May 05, 2015 03:26 PM (DlmoZ)

409 402 I'd like to face the temptation by "sleeping" sandwiched between Kate Upton and that girl ace has had a hard on for lately.

Posted by: Kenway at May 05, 2015 03:25 PM (GHsm+)

You're going to have to be way more specific.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at May 05, 2015 03:26 PM (gW5Vg)

410
I searched Ace's pockets last nite after he passed out. I found no stack of benjis I could steal and I am offended.

Posted by: Bruce J at May 05, 2015 03:26 PM (iQIUe)

411 My take is Pam Gellar is looking to stir shit up. But that is completely beside the point. We live in a country where - supposedly - we are allowed to stir shit up without fear for our lives.

Whatever happened to I disagree with you but I'll die defending your right to say it?

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at May 05, 2015 03:26 PM (0LHZx)

412 Excellent post, Ace. You delivered a brilliant ass-flogging to those faint-hearted nutless wonders of the media.

Posted by: fly gal at May 05, 2015 03:26 PM (8TdcF)

413 I have every right to walk on a public sidewalk in front of an orthodox synagogue wearing a parody of their dress, eating a pork shank stuffed with cheese and shrimp, while faux-davening and counting money. But that doesn't mean I should do it. If I did that, I should be criticized for doing it.

Posted by: The truth at May 05, 2015 03:26 PM (ibvmu)

414 "But it also doesn't make her intent to offend acceptable. Neither are."

I disagree. Her intent to offend is acceptable. Serrano's intent to offend is acceptable.

Are they in good taste? Do they have value? Would you do the same thing? Should we encourage them? I think these are all questions that have been proved to be beside the point.

The point is whether we are free.

Past 18 years, what happens to your soul is up to you. You want to spend your life "epataying the bourgeois"? Go for it, Rimbaud, but don't expect us to call you anything but a sniveling, parasitic punk wasting his talent.

Pam is doing what she does because she guesses, rightly, that this is exactly the sort of event that needs to happen so that people will understand the danger of the cultural situation we are in.

We are beset on all sides by totalitarians who will, and do, use FORCE.

Posted by: Feh at May 05, 2015 03:26 PM (g83l/)

415 And for anybody else's provocation arguments there's the We'll kill you for an ice cream label that might look a little like Inshallah in Arabic if you hold it sideways. Lunatics don't get vetoes.

Posted by: DaveA at May 05, 2015 03:27 PM (DL2i+)

416 Essentially, he came to America, saw "decadence" (this was the '50s, keep in mind), and wanted to push Islam back towards it original trajectory and roots.

The 'decadence' he noticed, and was offended by only after he discovered that American women didn't want to f*ck him. Loser piece of shit.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at May 05, 2015 03:27 PM (xQX/f)

417 Read The Looming Tower Al-Qaeda and the road to 9/11 by Lawrence Wright.

It's pretty much the history of Muslim extremism going back to the 1920's and the roots of the brotherhood.

Posted by: wrg500 at May 05, 2015 03:27 PM (S+el1)

418
Are any of you people doing anything worthwhile?
...............................
Designingberms for a major engineering project... so, no.

Posted by: wth at May 05, 2015 03:27 PM (wAQA5)

419 Because that means I don't even trust the "moderates".

The Koran is often contradictory and urges both bloody violence and peaceful coexistence, it urges lies and truth. This is complicated by how the Koran is written in a confusing order, and that it is supposed to be interpreted in chronological sequence, so the later passages can negate or supplant earlier ones. So if an early passage says "you cannot marry more than one wife" and a later one says "you can marry as many wives as you can properly support" then you can have lots of wives.

Now, you know and I know it was a series of crap written by a barely-literate kiddy diddler who claimed he got it from angels, but I'm just telling you what Islamic scholars say.

However, what most modern Muslims believe is driven less by the Koran and far more by the Hadith and later Sharia court decisions. Especially the really radical ones. That's where they get the "Death to Jooooos" crap from, its nowhere in the Koran. Quite the opposite in fact.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 05, 2015 03:27 PM (39g3+)

420
I told the complete truth about the Falkland Island dust-up, and only the far left ideologues attempted to discredit my body of work.

Posted by: Bill O'Reilly at May 05, 2015 03:28 PM (P330y)

421 Nip, precisely. I've seen this over, and over, and
over again. Progs are collectivists. They herd. Like delicate gazelles,
their fragile ego's need to sniff the air and make sure their social
space is safe from predators.

Deny this to them.

Posted by: Feh at May 05, 2015 03:02 PM (g83l/)

I have and continue too. It is a high price for your family to pay when the sheep don't like what you say.

I have told my sons, Make dust or eat it. Fcuk the sheep.

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 05, 2015 03:28 PM (0FSuD)

422 Are any of you people doing anything worthwhile?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at May 05, 2015 03:21 PM (gW5Vg)

I just finished a tasker from H.R.
Not our esteemed Moronette H.R.
McMaster.

Posted by: Country Singer at May 05, 2015 03:28 PM (8hctH)

423 But this is entirely besides the point.

Are we looking at her argument or down her blouse.

Ok,
time to catch up.

Posted by: DaveA at May 05, 2015 03:28 PM (DL2i+)

424 Awesome post, Ace.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at May 05, 2015 03:28 PM (Uq9ly)

425
Are any of you people doing anything worthwhile?

Fapping is a high and noble calling.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 05, 2015 03:28 PM (JtwS4)

426 Personally, I think her actions in Garland were needless -- and, more important, pointless -- provocation. The wackier tenets of Islam, which is to say damn near all of them, should be ignored and marginalized.
---

Killing innocent people for the act of drawing your prophet is impossible to ignore.

That's the whole point of the contest in Garland.

Posted by: Y-not at May 05, 2015 03:28 PM (9BRsg)

427 @413
Last I checked, no Christian tried to kill the artist who put a Crucifix in a jar of piss.

Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at May 05, 2015 03:29 PM (DlmoZ)

428 We are free to speak as we please. We are also free to criticize as we please. We are NOT free FROM criticism. And people should not misconstrue criticism of someone's speech as arguing against free speech rights.

Posted by: The truth at May 05, 2015 03:29 PM (ibvmu)

429 Pam Gellar started as a blog commenter, started her own website, became an activist and now is a world leader in this area. Quite a set of accomplishments.

Posted by: despair at May 05, 2015 03:29 PM (J6suc)

430
>>>>>I have every right to walk on a public sidewalk in front of an orthodox synagogue wearing a parody of their dress, eating a pork shank stuffed with cheese and shrimp, while faux-davening and counting money. But that doesn't mean I should do it. If I did that, I should be criticized for doing it.

dude, those jooos won't shoot you or cut your head off

try that infront of a mosque whilst standing on a koran

Posted by: yo! at May 05, 2015 03:29 PM (q+zA9)

431 Designingberms for a major engineering project... so, no.

Posted by: wth

Oooo, engineering!

*adjusts taped glasses and official pocket protector*

Posted by: Moderate Salami at May 05, 2015 03:29 PM (/Ho8c)

432 413 I have every right to walk on a public sidewalk in front of an orthodox synagogue wearing a parody of their dress, eating a pork shank stuffed with cheese and shrimp, while faux-davening and counting money. But that doesn't mean I should do it. If I did that, I should be criticized for doing it.
Posted by: The truth at May 05, 2015 03:26 PM (ibvmu)

___________

Yep. But if a rabbi came out and shot you, do you think anyone in the media would be saying you deserved it?

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at May 05, 2015 03:29 PM (0LHZx)

433 Posted by: SE Pa Moron at May 05, 2015 03:27 PM (xQX/f)

yes, well, maybe. He also had some interesting thoughts on segregation, if I recall.

He went to a movie theater in a segregated city and the guy said, "oh, sorry sir, the coloreds theater is over there" and Qatb said "I'm egyptian" and the guy apologized up and down and sat him down. Apparently Qatb was offended that the movie theater employee would call someone he thought was black "sir"

Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 03:29 PM (AkOaV)

434 I Guess all our betters are admitting Islam is a problem immature , lacking self restraint, unwilling to share ideological differences with peoples of other thoughts or religions and it is better for us to give up our rights willingly than fight back.

Posted by: willow at May 05, 2015 03:30 PM (nqBYe)

435 Je suis Ace.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky is never going to be the same at May 05, 2015 03:30 PM (FCPu0)

436
I thought Ghandi just slept with young girls in his bed in order to 'face the temptation'.

Yeah I'd like to sleep with Cake Girl to deal with my temptation. That was what he claimed, several young girls to test his chastity. His family finally got him to stop but...

...if you're tempted by little girls in your bed, there's something deeply wrong with you anyway. I mean tempted other than to give them a big hug, at least.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 05, 2015 03:30 PM (39g3+)

437 Ironic thing. BOR is what first drew me to Fox News. But he has been unwatchable for about a decade.

His "middle of the road" approach basically gives equal weight to crazy lefties on one hand and logic and truth on the other.

Sorry, I don't need to watch such ridiculous equivocation.

Posted by: prescient11 at May 05, 2015 03:30 PM (q5APL)

438 You're going to have to be way more specific.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at May 05, 2015 03:26 PM (gW5Vg)

Here

http://tinyurl.com/mvde6qm

Posted by: wrg500 at May 05, 2015 03:30 PM (S+el1)

439 Here's some Koranic wisdom for the 'ettes:

Qur'an 4:15 "If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death [by starvation] claims them."

Bukhari:V3B48N826 "The Prophet said, 'Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?' The women said, 'Yes.' He said, 'This is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind.'"

Qur'an 33:59 "Prophet! Tell your wives and daughters and all Muslim women to draw cloaks and veils all over their bodies (screening themselves completely except for one or two eyes to see the way). That will be better."

Posted by: Feh at May 05, 2015 03:30 PM (g83l/)

440 Reading comprehension is hard.

Posted by: Kenway at May 05, 2015 03:30 PM (GHsm+)

441 free from critisism?

is that what shooting at people is?

Posted by: willow at May 05, 2015 03:30 PM (nqBYe)

442 The Truth (eye roll):

Have the Orthodox Jews killed anyone lately for not wearing white tights?

No?

Didn't think so.

Posted by: Lauren at May 05, 2015 03:30 PM (MYCIw)

443 The point was clear, and made forcefully by the scum who tried to interfere with this most basic right.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 05, 2015 03:25 PM

Obviously, we disagree. I think you are dredging up motives after the fact.

And I still believe it's bad form to insult Muslims publicly, just as it's bad form to diss Catholics, Jews, Buddhists, etc. Not, mind you, that it should be a forbidden practice; rather, plain ol' common sense should tell those tempted to back off.

Posted by: MrScribbler at May 05, 2015 03:31 PM (P8YHq)

444 What Ms. Gellar deserved was to be able to take the first shot at those SOBs.

Posted by: Roy at May 05, 2015 03:31 PM (VndSC)

445 361 318, My criticism of what she did is that she was just trying to piss people off by doing something that some find religiously offensive. She was trying to offend and hurt some people.
--

No. She was trying to EXPOSE some people.

"Hurt" people do not prepare a mass execution of a couple of hundred peaceful people over a few drawings.

Posted by: Y-not at May 05, 2015 03:31 PM (9BRsg)

446
The big UK election is in 2 days, May 7th.

Posted by: Bruce J at May 05, 2015 03:31 PM (iQIUe)

447

Geller? Yeah,,, I'd hit it....

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at May 05, 2015 03:31 PM (HSmrB)

448 "(screening themselves completely except for one or two eyes to see the way)"

Where do I get my one eyed burka?

Posted by: Lauren at May 05, 2015 03:31 PM (MYCIw)

449 Posted by: The truth at May 05, 2015 03:26 PM (ibvmu)

Well, it's rude, certainly... but uh... that's it.

Rude.

Most people would say "hey, that The truth guy is a real rude asshole" then move on.

They would not shoot you.

As for what this woman with the knockers did... she was making a political statement. Was it rude? Sure.

Is that your entire point?

Because no one has the right to "not be offended". This woman was trying to make a point by being offensive. That's free speech.

I'm offended a million times a day, but I shrug and move on.

Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 03:31 PM (AkOaV)

450 "If I did that, I should be criticized for doing it."

But not fucking shot. That's the point being made. They will KILL for fucking cartoons!

And that must not stand.

Posted by: Dirty Randy at May 05, 2015 03:31 PM (jjaLl)

451 @351: Sorry that you don't properly cherish your liberties and freedom. You're the enemy and don't even appear to know it. FOAD.

Posted by: Afroman at May 05, 2015 03:32 PM (SJfCo)

452 "My take is Pam Gellar is looking to stir shit up......

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at May 05, 2015 03:26 PM (0LHZx"

I hope she was. Shit stirring is long overdue.

Posted by: revolting peasant who proudly wears his INFIDEL t-shirt in public at May 05, 2015 03:32 PM (MrTSj)

453 Are we looking at her argument or down her blouse.

Some of us chose to ignore our baser instincts and take a higher path. Not me, of course.

Posted by: maddogg at May 05, 2015 03:32 PM (xWW96)

454 And I still believe it's bad form to insult Muslims publicly, just as it's bad form to diss Catholics, Jews, Buddhists, etc.
---

Then don't insult them.

Your standards of behavior are perfectly fine, but they have no bearing whatsoever on Gellar's right to do what she did.

Posted by: Y-not at May 05, 2015 03:32 PM (9BRsg)

455 I have every right to walk on a public sidewalk in front of an orthodox synagogue wearing a parody of their dress, eating a pork shank stuffed with cheese and shrimp, while faux-davening and counting money. But that doesn't mean I should do it. If I did that, I should be criticized for doing it.

I think everyone here agrees with you on this. But the fact is, that's not even remotely equivalent to what this was about. If they'd held it in the street in front of a Mosque, then maybe you'd have a point but otherwise you're getting straw everywhere.

And certainly if some Rabbi came out and tried to shoot you, it would be bad timing to then pontificate all about how you "had it coming."

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 05, 2015 03:32 PM (39g3+)

456 truth, do we have to like your behavior as dressing like a jew while mocking . while protect ing your right to also being an idiot?

Posted by: willow at May 05, 2015 03:32 PM (nqBYe)

457 I'm offended a million times a day, but I shrug and move on.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 03:31 PM (AkOaV)

__________

As does everyone else in the world, 'cept for one peaceful religion.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at May 05, 2015 03:32 PM (0LHZx)

458 "I have told my sons, Make dust or eat it."

yebbon

Posted by: Feh at May 05, 2015 03:33 PM (g83l/)

459 And people should not misconstrue criticism of someone's speech as arguing against free speech rights.

When they say, "You shouldn't say that because you know it will inflame them", yes, that IS arguing against free speech rights.

Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 05, 2015 03:33 PM (RcdfR)

460 Here

http://tinyurl.com/mvde6qm

Posted by: wrg500 at May 05, 2015 03:30 PM (S+el1)

Fuck. You.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at May 05, 2015 03:33 PM (gW5Vg)

461
>>>Last I checked, no Christian tried to kill the artist who put a Crucifix in a jar of

all they wanted to do is stop the tax payer funding of it, so to the D's total cruelty

Posted by: yo! at May 05, 2015 03:33 PM (q+zA9)

462 I may not agree with Ms. Gellar's words but i wholly endorse her right to say every word she does. The actions of the shooters and the words of those wishing she would be more submissive, more guarded in her speech, tell me all that I need to know as to who respects speech.

Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at May 05, 2015 03:33 PM (9z8K+)

463 I believe that far too many ideas we have are non-ideas, things we've never actually thought through, but are simply Class Assumptions

I think it was de Tocqueville who pointed out that a philosopher assumes more truths than he demonstrates.

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at May 05, 2015 03:33 PM (PEgKF)

464 This is why we have no actual conservative movement worth a damn: Because our political officers and our thought leaders are
all drawn from, and aspire to advance in, the same Upper Middle Class
Northeast-and-California cultural consensus of "respectability."
============
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you National Review.

Fuck how I hate that outfit of naval-gazing do-nothings.

And then that bitch in the Federalist from the morning dump. "Christians need to just get on board the gay marriage train. Why, even some Christians are saying that homosexuality is not a sin!! Silly Christians, get with the times!"
Fuck that bitch.

Posted by: RoyalOil at May 05, 2015 03:33 PM (ZvKdv)

465 432, no one is saying Gellar deserved to be shot. They are criticizing her intent to offend and provoke. If I did the jew-baiting I described above, and I was attacked, I would be criticized for needlessly offending and provoking. Of course I would. I would not be seen as some innocent who did absolutely nothing wrong.

Posted by: The truth at May 05, 2015 03:33 PM (ibvmu)

466 And I still believe it's bad form to insult Muslims publicly, just as it's bad form to diss Catholics, Jews, Buddhists, etc. Not, mind you, that it should be a forbidden practice; rather, plain ol' common sense should tell those tempted to back off.

So actually you want it to be a forbidden practice...only you want it forbidden by "common sense" instead of at the point of a gun. Made taboo.

I really don't see a lot of difference, honestly. Maybe I'm missing something.

Posted by: @JohnTant` at May 05, 2015 03:33 PM (eytER)

467

Posted by: @JohnTant` at May 05, 2015 03:34 PM (eytER)

468 ace, really nice post.
need to get back to life. be well all.

Posted by: willow at May 05, 2015 03:34 PM (nqBYe)

469
Oooo, engineering!

*adjusts taped glasses and official pocket protector*
.................................
Our groupies may not be the best looking, but many are experts at drilling.

Posted by: wth at May 05, 2015 03:34 PM (wAQA5)

470 So, if we just hired a bunch of hookers for this Sayyid Qutbutt guy the world wd be a much better place?

Posted by: Bruce J at May 05, 2015 03:34 PM (iQIUe)

471 #442 Even more to your point: Orthodox Jews do not write or say the name of God. They believe it is blasphemous to do so, because God is unknowable and indescribable. They write G_d and say Adonai or whatever.

Do they go around attacking people who say "God?" Are orthodox Jews from Williamsburg attacking the New York Times for printing the name of God?

Nope.

Posted by: rockmom at May 05, 2015 03:34 PM (Q4elb)

472 Whew, missed the barrel by THAT much.

Posted by: @JohnTant` at May 05, 2015 03:34 PM (eytER)

473 We'll we stopped killing them in Iraq... now they are here.

Can Obama even pronounce Doh!

Posted by: DaveA at May 05, 2015 03:34 PM (DL2i+)

474 "She was trying to offend and hurt some people."

No - some people have set the bar for being offended at an unacceptably low position....drawing a friggin cartoon of an historical person.

Her actions were designed to highlight the ridiculousness of Americans in accepting that as a guide for limiting free speech.

Posted by: McCool at May 05, 2015 03:34 PM (TQxRy)

475 And I still believe it's bad form to insult Muslims publicly, just as it's bad form to diss Catholics, Jews, Buddhists, etc.

Sure, I agree. But once they take certain actions, then that complaint and concern takes the back burner until a later point. You can talk about proper social behavior and what is appropriate... later.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 05, 2015 03:34 PM (39g3+)

476 Kelly Brook or Brock, Cochran. There was a picture a few days ago. Like sand dollars.

Posted by: Kenway at May 05, 2015 03:34 PM (GHsm+)

477 I have every right to walk on a public sidewalk in front of an orthodox synagogue wearing a parody of their dress, eating a pork shank stuffed with cheese and shrimp, while faux-davening and counting money. But that doesn't mean I should do it. If I did that, I should be criticized for doing it.
Posted by: The truth at May 05, 2015 03:26 PM (ibvmu)

----------------------------------------

Would you deserve to be killed for it? That's one of the main points we're talking about here.

Posted by: Soona at May 05, 2015 03:34 PM (/HX7u)

478 Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at May 05, 2015 03:32 PM (0LHZx)

And the SJWs, Moo Moo. Can't forget the SJWs.

Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 03:34 PM (AkOaV)

479 If they'd held it in the street in front of a Mosque, then maybe you'd have a point but otherwise you're getting straw everywhere.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 05, 2015 03:32 PM (39g3+)

_____

No. He still wouldn't have a point. There's absolutely no point to be made in defending what happened. Even if Gellar went in front of a mosque and took a steaming shit on a pile of Korans, he wouldn't have a point.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at May 05, 2015 03:35 PM (0LHZx)

480 441, I'm not saying the shooting was criticism. I'm saying the criticism was criticism. And Ace's post above and many other people are talking about the criticism of Gellar's speech, right?

Posted by: The truth at May 05, 2015 03:35 PM (ibvmu)

481 "common sense should tell those tempted to back off."

None of the other groups are trying to kill me or my children.

Posted by: Lauren at May 05, 2015 03:35 PM (MYCIw)

482
Oh, The truth, I'm looking at you... You wore green so you could hide. I
don't blame you - you're a tramp! Ooh! That was right where you wanted
it! Ooh The truth, you're a little monkey woman you know that? You're a
little monkey woman... You're lean and you're mean and you're not too
far between either I bet, are ya? Would you like to wrap your spikes
around my head?

Posted by: Carl Spackler at May 05, 2015 03:35 PM (JO9+V)

483 Ace, you have done it. Dragged this lurker out from the shadows and into the light.

Fantastic column. Thank you for the work you put into this fine blog. Man, I would buy you a beer if I was in your neck of the woods... Maybe even something better than Milwaukee's Best (if that's possible).

Man. Thanks.

Posted by: Firedwall at May 05, 2015 03:35 PM (tXRk/)

484 Remember, years ago, the college kid that pissed on a Koran and got thrown out of school over it?

Bill O'Bloviate said the kid should get 4 years prison time.

Not a word about Piss Christ or Dung Virgin Mary.

I'm starting to suspect BillO is a Muzzie sympathizer.

Posted by: Citizen X at May 05, 2015 03:35 PM (7ObY1)

485 But not fucking shot. That's the point being made. They will KILL for fucking cartoons!

And that must not stand.

Posted by: Dirty Randy

Exactly.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at May 05, 2015 03:35 PM (/Ho8c)

486 Lots of what I call "Ace awesomeness" in this one!!

Posted by: Optimizer at May 05, 2015 03:35 PM (/q6+P)

487 Posted by: Bruce J at May 05, 2015 03:34 PM (iQIUe)

Most likely, yes.

As long as they were busty.

Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 03:35 PM (AkOaV)

488 442, I'm talking about whether speech intended to offend a person's religion is worth of criticism. It is.

Posted by: The truth at May 05, 2015 03:35 PM (ibvmu)

489 Fapping is a high and noble calling.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 05, 2015 03:28 PM (JtwS4)

I would fist bump but on second thought no.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at May 05, 2015 03:36 PM (mf5HN)

490 Are we looking at her argument or down her blouse.

Why yes, yes we are.

Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 05, 2015 03:36 PM (RcdfR)

491
"She was trying to offend and hurt some people."
I am all for offending and hurting jihadists. Why aren't you?

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at May 05, 2015 03:36 PM (1JqUE)

492 WH says attack was 'attempted terrorist attack'

Obama only defines success when there's dead Americans

Posted by: McCool at May 05, 2015 03:36 PM (TQxRy)

493 And the SJWs, Moo Moo. Can't forget the SJWs.
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 03:34 PM (AkOaV)

_________

True. But at least the SJWs tweet shit, they don't shoot people (for now anyway). And that's fine. If you're offended by speech, go ahead and write whatever you want in return. Had that asshole written an Op-Ed in the NY Times calling Gellar a skank-ho....fine. That's how it works. Free speech vs more free speech.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at May 05, 2015 03:36 PM (0LHZx)

494 I've never liked Pam Geller or her shrill hysterical style, and I laughed my ass off when she got her panties in a bunch at Ace a few years back, but that's got fuck-all to do with her right to mock the shit out of Islam. I don't give a shit what she was doing in Texas or for what reason - as I understood it, violence to suppress speech is supposed to be anathema in this country, with zero regard given to the content of said speech. Fuck the cowards.

Posted by: radar at May 05, 2015 03:36 PM (kQfqk)

495 MrScribbler

You might be trying to establish some sort of false equilibrium between the actions of Geller and the actions of the attackers- the problem is you are not testing Islamist as free thinkers.

By their overreaction to Geller they actually prove her point blasphemy is a law for Islamic states we did not vote for that over here and they do not get to be freelance enforcers of Sharia over here although the world is letting them get away with that almost everywhere else.

Posted by: River Guide at May 05, 2015 03:36 PM (RJMhd)

496 Posted by: Firedwall at May 05, 2015 03:35 PM (tXRk/)

Welcome, delurked commenter.

A little house keeping:

google everything phrase you read on aoshq that you are uncertain of.

Click all links.

And atc LOVES pictures of spiders, so keep that in mind.

Am I missing anything, horde?

Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 03:36 PM (AkOaV)

497 429
Pam Gellar started as a blog commenter, started her own website, became
an activist and now is a world leader in this area. Quite a set of
accomplishments.

Posted by: despair at May 05, 2015 03:29 PM (J6suc)

All true, but her lower class NYC Jewish accent is really grating.

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 05, 2015 03:37 PM (0FSuD)

498 You're saying sure she has the right to say it but really why should she.

You're a coward.

Posted by: Kenway at May 05, 2015 03:37 PM (GHsm+)

499 Great post Ace, but I think we can all agree the larger point is I would so totally have Megyn Kelly's baby.

Posted by: pashmr at May 05, 2015 03:37 PM (3aNC4)

500 Posted by: radar at May 05, 2015 03:36 PM (kQfqk)

whats the history between ace and this woman? I don't think I've ever even heard of her, but maybe I have and just forgot?

Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 03:37 PM (AkOaV)

501 449, no one is saying that the shooting was an acceptable response to the offensive acts of Ms. Gellar. What she did was indeed rude and offensive. Some have pointed this out. And others have come down hard on them for daring to criticize her, and have argued that they are not respecting her free speech rights when they criticize her.

Posted by: The truth at May 05, 2015 03:37 PM (ibvmu)

502
I have never offended or provoked anyone during my fifty years in show business.

Posted by: Don Rickles at May 05, 2015 03:38 PM (P330y)

503 "I have every right to walk on a public sidewalk in front of an orthodox synagogue wearing a parody of their dress, eating a pork shank stuffed with cheese and shrimp, while faux-davening and counting money. But that doesn't mean I should do it. If I did that, I should be criticized for doing it."

- she didn't walk by a mosque
- she did not wear a bath robe and call it normal day wear
- she was not eating pork products
- she did not have someone pretending to f*ck a goat

She held a bloody contest to draw some pictures. Get a grip.

Whatever happend to "give me liberty, or give me death" and "live free or die"? Sheesh

Posted by: Russtovich at May 05, 2015 03:38 PM (8zhoe)

504 Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at May 05, 2015 03:36 PM (0LHZx)

Fair enough.

Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 03:38 PM (AkOaV)

505 What feeble minded assholes like BOR don't understand is that there will always be someone offended by something. And if you put the message that, hey you were offended, so it's totally justifiable that you want to kill someone.....we're gonna have a lot of "offense killings" in the not too distant future.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at May 05, 2015 03:39 PM (0LHZx)

506 "I'm talking about whether speech intended to offend a person's religion is worth of criticism. It is"

Not if that "religion" has declared war on you.

Posted by: Lauren at May 05, 2015 03:39 PM (MYCIw)

507 And then that bitch in the Federalist from the morning dump. "Christians need to just get on board the gay marriage train. Why, even some Christians are saying that homosexuality is not a sin!! Silly Christians, get with the times!"

Christians are to be guided by the Bible, conscience, and the wisdom of fellow saints, not by the culture at large. I have to stand with Captain America from the otherwise woeful Civil War comic. He's talking to Spider-man who basically is reamed by the press constantly no matter what good he does.

""Doesn't matter what the press says. Doesn't matter what the politicians or the mobs say. Doesn't matter if the whole country decides that something wrong is something right.

This nation was founded on one principle above all else: The requirement that we stand up for what we believe, no matter the odds or the consequences.

When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree besides the river of truth, and tell the whole world--

--No you move."

Its actually part of a much longer speech about a republic, the duties and responsibilities of the individual and liberty.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 05, 2015 03:39 PM (39g3+)

508
I think this column is one for the "Best of" collection, if such a thing exists.

Kudos. And if you're Jewish, Judos.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 05, 2015 03:39 PM (St6BJ)

509 Excellent essay ace. One of your best.
Semper Fi,

Posted by: Joe Mama at May 05, 2015 03:39 PM (BXVvA)

510 476 Kelly Brook or Brock, Cochran. There was a picture a few days ago. Like sand dollars.

Posted by: Kenway at May 05, 2015 03:34 PM (GHsm+)

Ah, Kelly Brook.

I'm still stunned that Ace didn't really seem to know who she was. If nothing else, AtC posts that vid of the pornstar motorboating the hell out of Ms Brook about once a week in the comments.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at May 05, 2015 03:40 PM (gW5Vg)

511 456, no you don't have to like it to protect it. I feel that way about Gellar's actions. But Ace's whole article above is about saying we shouldn't criticize Gellar's speech here. It is somehow beyond reproach....because someone shot at her.

Posted by: The truth at May 05, 2015 03:40 PM (ibvmu)

512 In case anybody wants the short version, this is perhaps the key part:

"Americans, acting under the influence of America, were fucking shot at by crazed religious cultists seeking to impose a cancerous religious lunacy on America.

...

One supports free speech by supporting those who speak freely."

It's really pretty simple, and any American who doesn't get it ought to be ashamed of themselves and save up to buy a clue.

Posted by: Optimizer at May 05, 2015 03:40 PM (/q6+P)

513 Am I missing anything, horde?

forget any normal HTML formatting you may know.

No pants for ONT's

Fredo, TFG, JEF, SCOAMF all refer to Obama

Posted by: McCool at May 05, 2015 03:40 PM (TQxRy)

514 >>I'm talking about whether speech intended to offend a person's religion is worth of criticism. It is.

And you are wildly missing the point. Whether you believe her speech is good or bad is entirely your opinion. What we are talking about is a group that wants to make any criticism of them not just out of bounds but punishable by death.

Criticize her speech all you want. The point is the Constitution gives her the right to say it and that is what the left and their fellow travelers are hoping to shutdown.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 05, 2015 03:40 PM (g1DWB)

515 As a person of judeo-christian beliefs, if I knew that Pam Geller intended to drop some sculpture of a crucified Christ into a jar of urine I'd hardly be strapping on a bulletproof vest, making some bombs, and preparing to kill everyone in attendance.

I would not see it as 'pointless -- provocation' but something that we let slide because free speech is just so damned important a right.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at May 05, 2015 03:40 PM (xQX/f)

516 It is probably fear that gives you the hope that somehow she deserved it. It allows you the illusion that you can somehow control the radicals and that you are too smart to be their next target.

Posted by: River Guide at May 05, 2015 03:41 PM (RJMhd)

517 Great line from Clint Eastwood from the movie "Escape from Alcatraz" ...

"There's always the possibility that some asshole will get offended"

Posted by: kbdabear at May 05, 2015 03:41 PM (GrXXa)

518 Well, did The Prophet Ace, blessed be his hairy back, like the movie?

Do I have to read it all?

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 05, 2015 03:41 PM (0FSuD)

519
too soon for a hunky mohammed contest?

Posted by: kj at May 05, 2015 03:41 PM (lKyWE)

520 I'm talking about whether speech intended to offend a person's religion is worth of criticism.

It may be. If you feel that way, say you are offended.

But DO NOT tell anyone the shouldn't say it, and damn sure don't try to stop them.

THAT crosses the line.

Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 05, 2015 03:41 PM (RcdfR)

521 I'm talking about whether speech intended to offend a person's religion is worth of criticism. It is.
Posted by: The truth at May 05, 2015 03:35 PM (ibvmu)

-----------------------------------------

And criticism is free speech also. You both vent your views, probably not agreeing in the slightest, and then each walk away offended...........but alive.

Posted by: Soona at May 05, 2015 03:41 PM (/HX7u)

522 I like the way some folks say it is provocative to compare Islam to "backwoods Christian snake handlers" and be completely oblivious to the reality that they are rude classless assholes.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at May 05, 2015 03:41 PM (NHtMs)

523

Posted by: McCool at May 05, 2015 03:41 PM (TQxRy)

524 Posted by: McCool at May 05, 2015 03:40 PM (TQxRy)

AND ... don't open your i's without closing them or the whole blog gets slanty.

Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 03:41 PM (AkOaV)

525 All true, but her lower class NYC Jewish accent is really grating.

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 05, 2015 03:37 PM (0FSuD)

I grew up surrounded by that accent. Mom was a Hungarian born English teacher and Dad was from Chicago, so it never took. And if I ever said the word "ain't" I got a smack in the back of the head.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 05, 2015 03:41 PM (St6BJ)

526 459, "When they say, "You shouldn't say that because you know it will inflame them", yes, that IS arguing against free speech rights."

No, no, no, no, no. If I, a private citizen, give you advice on what you should or shouldn't say, that's not infringing on your free speech rights. That's merely expressing an opinion. Not everything that one has a right to do, is something that one necessarily should do.

I don't think you should call anyone the N-word. That isn't arguing against free speech rights.

Posted by: The truth at May 05, 2015 03:42 PM (ibvmu)

527 Am I missing anything, horde?Posted by: mynewhandle............................I was told newbies must link to their wife's tittie pics.

Posted by: wth at May 05, 2015 03:42 PM (wAQA5)

528 519 too soon for a hunky mohammed contest?
Posted by: kj at May 05, 2015 03:41 PM (lKyWE)

Ethan Krupp in a turban raping a 6 year old is not exactly hunky.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 05, 2015 03:42 PM (St6BJ)

529 AND ... don't open your i's without closing them or the whole blog gets slanty.

Touche !

Posted by: McCool at May 05, 2015 03:43 PM (TQxRy)

530 @507 -
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your
job is to plant yourself like a tree besides the river of truth, and
tell the whole world--

--No you move."

^^^^^^^^^
This folks. And might I say I would add some colorful slang to "No you move."

Thank you Christopher for posting that.

Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at May 05, 2015 03:43 PM (DlmoZ)

531 Ace is absolutely right here! I have watched Ms. Gellar's courage over the years, as I have lurked for years at this website. I do not care how or why Pamela did what she did, (although I love that she did it) she is courageous and some cowardly, despicable, worthless (all in my mind synonyms for muslims) attacked her on United States for speech. It's beyond disgusting and the number of people on the web who have added the f*%ing BUT to what they have said in support of her is putrid and verges on criminal. You either support free speech 100% of the time or you don't and if you care how anyone else in your class or race or socioeconomic group feels about it you are a coward. You don't have to like Ms. Gellar's actions, although I admit I am a great supporter of what she does and continues to try to do. Never doubt, the controllers of speech will come for you next if they are not stopped now.

Posted by: Merry at May 05, 2015 03:43 PM (ByAKI)

532 "whats the history between ace and this woman? I don't think I've ever even heard of her, but maybe I have and just forgot?"

From what I remember, she said he said "nice tits" or something when he met her, and she's very anti his "frat boy" style of blogging.

More recently, she and Michelle Malkin went on a bizarre anti-Perrycampaign that ended up with some back and forth with her and ace.

Posted by: Lauren at May 05, 2015 03:43 PM (MYCIw)

533 I am against Islamic Terrorism. Anyone who also opposes them gets a nod from me. Even folks I otherwise have problems with, like the late Christopher Hitchens or Valdamir Putin.

We are still as much at war as we were on 9/11. We just don't talk about it as much and that includes here on this former milblog.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 05, 2015 03:43 PM (pWzW/)

534 It is somehow beyond reproach....because someone shot at her.
----------

Read it again.

Posted by: Kenway at May 05, 2015 03:43 PM (GHsm+)

535 Yeah, reading through the comments there's a lot of "I disagree with Gellar, but defend blah blah...

I'm having a hard time understanding the rationale behind the "I disagree with Gellar"....

What's to disagree with, as far as the content of her message goes?

She ain't fuckin' lying about islam, is she?

Posted by: Dirty Randy at May 05, 2015 03:43 PM (jjaLl)

536 I don't think you should call anyone the N-word. That isn't arguing against free speech rights.
Posted by: The truth at May 05, 2015 03:42 PM (ibvmu)

___________

Say I call someone that. And I get shot because of it. Using your logic, it's perfectly justifiable. That's the whole point of this. It shouldn't matter what I say to anyone. I have a right to say it (with the fire in a theater exceptions). But those exceptions do not include someone getting offended by what I say.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at May 05, 2015 03:44 PM (0LHZx)

537 "442, I'm talking about whether speech intended to offend a person's religion is worth of criticism. It is.

Posted by: The truth at May 05, 2015 03:35 PM (ibvmu)"

Oh, FFS. Musselman speech threatening me with punishments for not kowtowing to their bullshit, pissant, made-up moon god are specifically intended to offend my non-Mohommedian religion.

Therefore, their speech is worth criticism. Which is precisely what Pam Geller did. And you have the fantods over her response rather than over their provocation.

And that's the truth.

Posted by: revolting peasant who proudly wears his INFIDEL t-shirt in public at May 05, 2015 03:44 PM (uTwcY)

538 Posted by: wth at May 05, 2015 03:42 PM (wAQA5)

Oh, of course! Duh, how could I forget.

That's an important one too. Should have started with that one.

Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 03:44 PM (AkOaV)

539 Posted by: MrScribbler at May 05, 2015 03:31 PM (P8YHq)

Did you read the post?

Bad form?

So what? Speech that requires protection is pretty much bad form.

You are spectacularly wrong.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 05, 2015 03:44 PM (7G/wk)

540 It would seem we are being attacked by the italicians repeatedly

Posted by: yo! at May 05, 2015 03:44 PM (q+zA9)

541 Hear hear Ace!

Fuck O'shamrock

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at May 05, 2015 03:44 PM (/4AZU)

542 Man, people do sure get all excited and forget to close their tags sometimes.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 05, 2015 03:44 PM (bLnSU)

543 465 432, no one is saying Gellar deserved to be shot. They are criticizing her intent to offend and provoke.
---

"Offended" people do not kill the offenders.

Normal people are not "provoked" to arm themselves to gun down a couple of hundred attendees of a free speech event in Texas.

The point of the event was to highlight that the Charlie Hebdo massacre can happen here IF WE DON'T STAND UP TO RADICAL ISLAM.

If Gellar was your wife or daughter you might certainly tell her "hey, be careful! I'm afraid for your safety." I doubt you would do that in the media or in a public forum, however. I very much doubt you would do anything other than to denounce the would-be assassins.

Or would you? Would you get on MSNBC and say, "yeah, those terrorists were wrong, but my daughter provoked them"?

Posted by: Y-not at May 05, 2015 03:44 PM (9BRsg)

544
The problem is not those who would inflame emotions. The problem is those who get inflamed.

If your culture dictates killing someone who offends your so-called prophet or g-d, then there's something wrong with your culture.

Ms. Gellar, by doing what she did, only demonstrates this principle. I think that that is the nub of the argument, or at least should be.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 05, 2015 03:45 PM (St6BJ)

545 Posted by: Dirty Randy at May 05, 2015 03:43 PM (jjaLl)

people think its unnecessarily provocative to have a mohammed drawing contest, knowing that the religion of peace would be deeply offended by it.

like that yahoo in florida who tried to burn a koran and got stymied by a homeless dude on a skateboard.

Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 03:45 PM (AkOaV)

546 535 Yeah, reading through the comments there's a lot of "I disagree with Gellar, but defend blah blah...

I'm having a hard time understanding the rationale behind the "I disagree with Gellar"....

What's to disagree with, as far as the content of her message goes?

She ain't fuckin' lying about islam, is she?
Posted by: Dirty Randy at May 05, 2015 03:43 PM (jjaLl)

___________

I don't think people are saying they disagree with what she's saying. They disagree with her tactics.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at May 05, 2015 03:45 PM (0LHZx)

547 "She ain't fuckin' lying about islam, is she?

Posted by: Dirty Randy at May 05, 2015 03:43 PM (jjaLl)"
*tips hat*

Posted by: revolting peasant who proudly wears his INFIDEL t-shirt in public at May 05, 2015 03:45 PM (uTwcY)

548 ace, this is an incredibly well thought out post. The fact that you admit disagreements with Gellar yet defend her Constitutional right to offend those that will kill over being offended is the elephant in the newsrooms.

I'm reposting this everywhere I can.

Posted by: RickZ at May 05, 2015 03:46 PM (9C81A)

549 You might be trying to establish some sort of false
equilibrium between the actions of Geller and the actions of the
attackers- the problem is you are not testing Islamist as free thinkers.

Posted by: River Guide at May 05, 2015 03:36 PM

No. In fact, my words meant only what they meant, and nothing more. I see no "equivalence" between Gellar and those who attacked her. One did something I consider foolish; the other violated laws of the State and of G*d. I see no need to punish the former, and believe the latter got exactly what they deserved. I still do not approve of what Gellar did. Others here obviously think it was the Right Thing To Do. YMMV.

Posted by: MrScribbler at May 05, 2015 03:46 PM (P8YHq)

550 Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 03:36 PM (AkOaV)

HEH!

Posted by: Dirty Randy at May 05, 2015 03:46 PM (jjaLl)

551 Crap. A Shithook just went over my house really really low.

Posted by: Soona at May 05, 2015 03:47 PM (/HX7u)

552 In bubble land unpleasant thoughts are not permitted. It may upset the help.

Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at May 05, 2015 03:47 PM (oDCMR)

553 Let me put it this way,

Had this woman does this and Muslims had said, "well, its deeply offensive, but this is America, so she's free to do it." and had a history of saying that with past incidents of "provocation"...

She would have looked much more like an asshole. Like "wow, those people are being reasonable. Why offend them gratuitously?"

But her point was proved when two Muslims showed up with guns trying to kill people.

Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 03:47 PM (AkOaV)

554 514, you are missing the point of Ace's post above. It isn't about whether radical Muslims that try to kill people over religious offense are good or justified. They aren't good or justified. His article was about the criticism of her speech by many including O'Reilly. I'm discussing that. Is such criticism fair? Is such criticism arguing against free speech rights? This debate isn't about the good or evil of Muslims.

Posted by: The truth at May 05, 2015 03:47 PM (ibvmu)

555 no one is saying Gellar deserved to be shot. They are criticizing her intent to offend and provoke.

And as I noted earlier, that's simply calumny. You're presuming her intent was to antagonize and provoke, to offend and harm. That's not warranted, or reasonable.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 05, 2015 03:47 PM (39g3+)

556 If I did that, I should be criticized for doing it.

Posted by: The truth at May 05, 2015 03:26 PM (ibvmu)

First - not 'should be criticized,' 'CAN be criticized.' There is an ocean of difference between the two.

And criticized, sure, but not assassinated, you stupid fuck.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at May 05, 2015 03:47 PM (fwARV)

557 The Truth

Incorrect. It's about the disproportionate response of the press to make excuses and justifications for the actions of the terrorists-while putting Geller on defense. In a way the press is acting as the defense attorneys for the terrorists in the court of public opinion.

There is a mountain of mainstream media attacking Geller the power vacuum is not in the area you delineate.

Posted by: River Guide at May 05, 2015 03:47 PM (RJMhd)

558 Why are "Muslim" extremists offended by Mohammad the Bear but Jesus Friends is a-okay with them? Isn't Jesus one of their beloved prophets who's not supposed to be pictured? I guess Bill O'Reilly and Muslim extremists have something in common.

Posted by: Wendy at May 05, 2015 03:47 PM (bpemY)

559 Posted by: Soona at May 05, 2015 03:47 PM (/HX7u)

Very loud.

National guard?

Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 03:47 PM (AkOaV)

560 Crap. A Shithook just went over my house really really low.

Posted by: Soona

Uhoh. Did you make an stray mark on your tax return?

Posted by: Moderate Salami at May 05, 2015 03:48 PM (/Ho8c)

561 546 I don't think people are saying they disagree with what she's saying. They disagree with her tactics.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at May 05, 2015 03:45 PM (0LHZx)

Sadly, it's the only way people will listen. No one wants to hear her merely speak, presuming she is ever even invited to speak, let alone covered fairly by the media.

She demonstrated completely the intolerance and violence of Islam but also the willingness of those in our own society to tolerate if not promote it, or outright ignore it.

Bravo to her. Must be done and more often by more people, IMHO.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 05, 2015 03:48 PM (St6BJ)

562 I'd say this, Mr. Bloviating O'Blowhard O'Reilly: WasWas beheads gays, kills Christians and Jews or anyone who will not submit, stones women, beheads (wait? Have they done this before?) 400 or 600 at a beach just last weekend...after raping their women and or taking them to sell on market...well, sir, I'd say a little cartoon festival in Texas does not compare, non?

I stand with Ace on this one. Geller and others can grate on nerves, but on this one: We have the right, so far, in this country, to free speech. What happened to Je Suis Charlie? Or the outrage when this exact thing has happened in Europe? Huh, Bill O'Bloviate? You skirt-chasing coward.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky is never going to be the same at May 05, 2015 03:49 PM (FCPu0)

563 I still do not approve of what Gellar did

And that you feel that you have to put this qualifier in is exactly the point Ace is trying to make.

Whether you approve or not approve is irrelevant. End of line.

Posted by: @JohnTant` at May 05, 2015 03:49 PM (eytER)

564 Ah, Kelly Brook.

I'm still stunned that Ace didn't really seem to know who she was. If nothing else, AtC posts that vid of the pornstar motorboating the hell out of Ms Brook about once a week in the comments.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at May 05, 2015 03:40 PM (gW5Vg)

That is completely untrue!

It's at least twice a week, presuming I'm not overly pissed at you scamps.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at May 05, 2015 03:49 PM (mf5HN)

565 Crap. A Shithook just went over my house really really low.

Posted by: Soona

Neighbor sunbathing?

Posted by: wrg500 at May 05, 2015 03:49 PM (S+el1)

566 Whether you approve or not approve is irrelevant. End of line.

Posted by: @JohnTant` at May 05, 2015 03:49 PM

Ah. I see. We must all adhere to the Party Line.

Good to know.

Posted by: MrScribbler at May 05, 2015 03:50 PM (P8YHq)

567 I'm not overly pissed at you scamps.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at May 05, 2015 03:49 PM (mf5HN)

Only on days ending in "y".

Posted by: wrg500 at May 05, 2015 03:50 PM (S+el1)

568 If you're criticizing someone in the same breath as you're half heartedly "defending" them, the day after someone took a shot at them, you may come across as a pussy.

IMHO.

Posted by: Kenway at May 05, 2015 03:51 PM (GHsm+)

569 It's at least twice a week, presuming I'm not overly pissed at you scamps.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at May 05, 2015 03:49 PM (mf5HN)

So then once every other week.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at May 05, 2015 03:51 PM (gW5Vg)

570 Posted by: Lauren at May 05, 2015 03:43 PM (MYCIw)

Wow, classy Ewok pick up line there.

"Hi, I'm a blogger, I love your stuff, we should talk some time"

"nice tits, toots. Grab me a beer while you're up, willya?"

Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 03:51 PM (AkOaV)

571
I have no problem with what Geller did.
I think there is something wrong with those that do.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at May 05, 2015 03:51 PM (0x/TW)

572
Crap. A Shithook just went over my house really really low. Posted by: Soona

did you comment on the IRS thread?

Posted by: kj at May 05, 2015 03:51 PM (lKyWE)

573 Ah. I see. We must all adhere to the Party Line.

Good to know.

No, you don't see. Not at all.

Posted by: @JohnTant` at May 05, 2015 03:52 PM (eytER)

574 This bears repeating by mynewhandle, for Truth and others to consider:

Had this woman does this and Muslims had said, "well, its deeply offensive, but this is America, so she's free to do it." and had a history of saying that with past incidents of "provocation"...

She would have looked much more like an asshole. Like "wow, those people are being reasonable. Why offend them gratuitously?"

But her point was proved when two Muslims showed up with guns trying to kill people

Combime that with this comment by River Guide for maximum effect:

It's about the disproportionate response of the press to make excuses and justifications for the actions of the terrorists-while putting Geller on defense. In a way the press is acting as the defense attorneys for the terrorists in the court of public opinion.

That's what is key here. It doesn't matter how rude she may have been, the problem is the response. She may have handled it incorrectly, but they are responding even more incorrectly. And that's what Ace tried to say at great length to apparently no avail to some.

Just read the comments, I guess. Believe me I know how frustrating that can be as a writer.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 05, 2015 03:52 PM (39g3+)

575 Geebus Breitbart sites are annoying with that Clinton Cash pop up.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 05, 2015 03:52 PM (fWAjv)

576 Niggling Matters would make a great name for an offshoot blog of AoS.

Posted by: Soothsayer

RAYCIST H8RZ!!

Posted by: Moderate Salami at May 05, 2015 03:52 PM (/Ho8c)

577 I've taken a look at Pam Geller and she is hot. So why would you question a hot babe to earn the Candy Crowley's of the world approval? This makes no fucking sense - unless all of media is gay.

Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at May 05, 2015 03:53 PM (oDCMR)

578 "Whether you approve or not approve is irrelevant. End of line.

Posted by: @JohnTant` at May 05, 2015 03:49 PM

Ah. I see. We must all adhere to the Party Line.

Good to know.

Posted by: MrScribbler at May 05, 2015 03:50 PM (P8YHq)"
Um, yeah, on a few things, the answer is yes.

This is a free speech zone from sea to shining sea.

Posted by: revolting peasant who proudly wears his INFIDEL t-shirt in public at May 05, 2015 03:53 PM (mocXM)

579 Has any Republican commented on this? Or are they all acting like pussies as well?

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at May 05, 2015 03:53 PM (0LHZx)

580 575 Geebus Breitbart sites are annoying with that Clinton Cash pop up.

Yep.

Posted by: Super Creepy Eric Hoteham at May 05, 2015 03:53 PM (oDCMR)

581 MrScribbler

I might of assumed you were buying into the causal relationship that the media is trying to establish.

Posted by: River Guide at May 05, 2015 03:54 PM (RJMhd)

582 576 Niggling Matters would make a great name for an offshoot blog of AoS.

Posted by: Soothsayer

RAYCIST H8RZ!!
Posted by: Moderate Salami at May 05, 2015 03:52 PM (/Ho8c)

__________

Heh. That's what I thought when I read it too. I hate that the PC police has done this to me.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at May 05, 2015 03:54 PM (0LHZx)

583 I have no problem with what Geller did.
I think there is something wrong with those that do.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale

I have no problem with what she did, either.

Knowing what we know about the Death Cultists, the result seems predictable, though. But not at all justified.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at May 05, 2015 03:55 PM (/Ho8c)

584 Bill Bloviating O'Really has been on my list of not-watching since he sided with Jerry Rivera vs Malkin in the Spitgate several years ago. bite moi

Great job, Ace. I may be absent but still try to read when I can get my straight-jacket off to type. xoxo

Posted by: ChristyBlinky is never going to be the same at May 05, 2015 03:55 PM (FCPu0)

585 @579 - acting like pussies. Hey, at least they are consistent. This is where I'm with our beloved Vic - we have no party.

Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at May 05, 2015 03:55 PM (DlmoZ)

586 >>you are missing the point of Ace's post above. It isn't about whether radical Muslims that try to kill people over religious offense are good or justified. They aren't good or justified. His article was about the criticism of her speech by many including O'Reilly. I'm discussing that. Is such criticism fair? Is such criticism arguing against free speech rights? This debate isn't about the good or evil of Muslims.

And nobody said it was. In fact, I just said that the while point of this is that people are free to say whatever they want with certain relatively mild restrictions in America.

I think you should read the post again. I do not think it means what you think it does.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 05, 2015 03:55 PM (g1DWB)

587 Ace on Twitter:

her attempted assassination was due to her defying the Islamic ban on drawing Mohammad, something...
..people claim to reject, in the ABSTRACT, but it turns out, people really don't think you should draw Mohammad

Which is spot-on.

Posted by: Y-not at May 05, 2015 03:55 PM (9BRsg)

588 Do some Muslims have justifiable complaints? Absolutely.

NO!

Posted by: DaveA at May 05, 2015 03:56 PM (DL2i+)

589 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 05, 2015 03:52 PM (39g3+)

Ha, thanks. I do occasionally drift in to moments of clarity from time to time.

Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 03:56 PM (AkOaV)

590 Excellent Ace - thank you. Keep it up.

Posted by: DrDeano at May 05, 2015 03:56 PM (x18S2)

591 Very loud. National guard?
Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 03:47 PM (AkOaV)

------------------------------------------------

Probably. Going from Will Rogers Airport to Tinker AFB. It's a direct route. They're just not usually that low when they pass.

Posted by: Soona at May 05, 2015 03:56 PM (/HX7u)

592 Has any Republican commented on this? Or are they all acting like pussies as well?
--

Jindal and Cruz.

Posted by: Y-not at May 05, 2015 03:56 PM (9BRsg)

593 Oh, and Greg Abbott, in his capacity as Governor of TX.

Posted by: Y-not at May 05, 2015 03:57 PM (9BRsg)

594 Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at May 05, 2015 03:53 PM (0LHZx)

I would be hiding from the cameras if I were a republican pol.

The media will be trying to drum up a "republicans are racist and hate muslims" narrative if I know them as well as I think I do.

Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 03:57 PM (AkOaV)

595 "To be a traitor to one's Class is to be a patriot towards humanity." -- thinking of getting this as a tattoo

Posted by: Brewdog at May 05, 2015 03:57 PM (+Gycm)

596 Pam Gellar's site is wall-to-wall ads and popupds too. There are some otherwise laudable websites I avoid because they just pass my annoyance threshold.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 05, 2015 03:58 PM (39g3+)

597 "Perhaps I am like Ms. Gellar in this respect: I have long ago decided that I do not wish to be on the list of the Acceptable Ones, and will take no action whatsoever to secure my place upon it. Maybe I have an advantage here: I do not seek the approval of those who bestow Respectability, as I simply do not respect them."

One of my favorite parts separate from the free speech issue and the "proper" way to defend free speech which turns out to be pretty damn tepid.

Gellar outright schooled Camerota (exFOX/nowCNN) on pretty much that exact point. Camerota kept rephrasing what Gellar has and had said WRT Islam/speech and Gellar nailed her on it. Gellar didn't give a damn what Camerota said other than to say, "Get your facts straight and your brain engaged and, by the way, it amazes me that I'm being the targeted by you et al. So go get your shinebox."

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 05, 2015 03:58 PM (1CroS)

598 Posted by: Y-not at May 05, 2015 03:57 PM (9BRsg)

Oh, speaking of which... surprised this hasnt come up in the comments here...

has anyone side the vitriol being thrown at abbot over his reaction to the whole biggest army exercise in 6 decades in his backyard situation?

Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 03:58 PM (AkOaV)

599 Sorry, too many comments to read. Anyone mention Skokie and the ACLU yet?

Posted by: JohnnyBoy at May 05, 2015 03:58 PM (TPjwz)

600 Sorry, too many comments to read. Anyone mention Skokie and the ACLU yet?

Posted by: JohnnyBoy at May 05, 2015 03:58 PM (TPjwz)

601 BTW, ace is saying on twitter that the nature of his fallout with her had to do w/ differences they had about Rick Perry.

Posted by: Y-not at May 05, 2015 03:59 PM (9BRsg)

602 seen* maybe? not sure what I meant to say when I said "side"

Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 03:59 PM (AkOaV)

603 ""nice tits, toots. Grab me a beer while you're up, willya?"

Yeah, let's just say this account is...disputed.

Posted by: Lauren at May 05, 2015 03:59 PM (MYCIw)

604 Posted by: Y-not at May 05, 2015 03:59 PM (9BRsg)

not about her not appreciating his alleged smooth "nice tits" pick up line?

Personally, I like that story more. So I'm sticking to it. The media taught me to do that.

Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 03:59 PM (AkOaV)

605 Posted by: Lauren at May 05, 2015 03:59 PM (MYCIw)

Kind of a "critics claim" type situation then?

Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 04:00 PM (AkOaV)

606 I'm not kidding, at what was once a normal website (Little Green Footballs) I advised Pam Geller her then unknown blog (had a picture of her looking studious and reading a book) would get more traffic if she took advantage of her looks. You could tell she didn't look bad. 2003, maybe?

Or I am the secret force behind the whole boob boobies Atlas Shrugged cover art.

Posted by: Ed Mahmoud at May 05, 2015 04:00 PM (4mrXD)

607 Posted by: JohnnyBoy at May 05, 2015 03:58 PM (TPjwz)
kkk stuff? believe so.

Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 04:00 PM (AkOaV)

608
someone should also point out that certain classes are bringing a whole bunch of moslem immigrants and refugees into the USA.

I don't think islam is compatable with western culture, so I think this is a huge mistake

Posted by: yo! at May 05, 2015 04:01 PM (q+zA9)

609 "with her had to do w/ differences they had about Rick Perry."

Yeah, she and Michelle Malkin were really, really anti-Perry based on some really thin evidence. Part of it was that he had the generic political relationship with Grover Norquist, and part of it was just...tardasil level crap.

It was annoying.

Posted by: Lauren at May 05, 2015 04:01 PM (MYCIw)

610 Wait, did I read that right, way upstream?

I thought it was said that Gellar said "Nice tits" to Ace.....

Which I LOL'ed at..... was I wrong?

Posted by: Dirty Randy at May 05, 2015 04:01 PM (jjaLl)

611
Trump on with Cavuto disparaging Geller by denying her the right to free speech. Trump claims she is speaking to earn money for her own purpose.

Yes, The Donald is an asshole!

Posted by: Doctor Fish at May 05, 2015 04:01 PM (P330y)

612 Yeah, let's just say this account is...disputed.

Unless he was really, really drunk I don't buy Ace talking like that to anyone, let alone a hot woman. And even then. I know introverts, being one. We presume women want to be left alone; the prettier, the more so.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 05, 2015 04:01 PM (39g3+)

613 Enjoyed this headline for a WaPo article: "
Event organizer offers no apology after thwarted attack in Texas"

Nowhere does it mention what she should apologize for.

Posted by: t-bird at May 05, 2015 04:02 PM (FcR7P)

614 I'm late to the party. Has anyone mentioned Sheppy's panties are still in a wad over this?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 05, 2015 04:02 PM (FsuaD)

615 Is Hot Air down, or something?

Or is Ace spending time with that home wrecking whore Teitter, again!

Posted by: Garrett at May 05, 2015 04:02 PM (1RMKx)

616 As some people have stated upthread. Geller's Mo-drawing contest proved without a doubt that ISIS (and who knows who else) is in our country, living among us NOW. And they're willing to start killing at the slightest provocation.

Thanks, DC, for not closing the border.

Posted by: Soona at May 05, 2015 04:02 PM (/HX7u)

617 Don't bake a cake for a gay wedding....the religious person is the bad guy.

Kill someone for a cartoon....the religious person is the good guy.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at May 05, 2015 04:02 PM (0LHZx)

618 606 I'm not kidding, at what was once a normal website (Little Green Footballs) I advised Pam Geller her then unknown blog (had a picture of her looking studious and reading a book) would get more traffic if she took advantage of her looks. You could tell she didn't look bad. 2003, maybe?

I remember later that He absolutely despised Her..... That's when He got so nutty, and I was banned because I said something nice about Ann Coulter...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at May 05, 2015 04:02 PM (Bn6aD)

619 Posted by: Dirty Randy at May 05, 2015 04:01 PM (jjaLl)

I don't know, I feel like I'm just propagating rumors at this point since I'd never even heard of this woman and her tits until the last few days.

But I shall carry on the great tradition of narrative journalism.

Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 04:02 PM (AkOaV)

620 Yeah, she and Michelle Malkin were really, really anti-Perry based on some really thin evidence. Part of it was that he had the generic political relationship with Grover Norquist, and part of it was just...tardasil level crap.

It was annoying.

---

Yeah, I've never been able to forgive MM for that. Gellar wasn't someone I followed closely anyway, so I had missed her shots at RP.

Posted by: Y-not at May 05, 2015 04:03 PM (9BRsg)

621 Well, let's see what's on the menu. Hmm. You guys have everything here! You know what... I'll have some Chicken Parmesan. And some psilocybe marinated in hemlock. That way I can enjoy the entire spectrum of gastronomical delight because balance.

Posted by: Bill O'Foodie at May 05, 2015 04:03 PM (1CroS)

622 You youngsters just know LGF now as some hippy wanna-be Daily Kos run by some fat stoner named Charles, but back when I used a dial up modem to connect to the internet and people walked barefoot in the snow, people like Iowahawk commented there...

Posted by: Ed Mahmoud at May 05, 2015 04:04 PM (4mrXD)

623 "To be a traitor to one's Class is to be a patriot towards humanity."

Nice

Posted by: some guy at May 05, 2015 04:04 PM (q177U)

624 Whether you agree with Geller's tactics or not, there is no dispute that this massacre attempt proved her point.

Posted by: Cruzinator at May 05, 2015 04:04 PM (mt2jL)

625 624 Whether you agree with Geller's tactics or not, there is no dispute that this massacre attempt proved her point.
Posted by: Cruzinator at May 05, 2015 04:04 PM (mt2jL)

________

It did. But the takeaway by 98% of the media is you better not insult Islam or this is what will happen.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at May 05, 2015 04:05 PM (0LHZx)

626 I don't think you should call anyone the N-word. That isn't arguing against free speech rights.

Posted by: The truth at May 05, 2015 03:42 PM (ibvmu)

If you're incapable of seeing the distinction between 'I don't think you should,' and 'you absolutely cannot under threat of death,' I'm not sure what's worth discussing with you.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at May 05, 2015 04:05 PM (fwARV)

627 Charles called me a 'back stabbing snake' when he banned me. Ah, memories.

Posted by: Ed Mahmoud at May 05, 2015 04:05 PM (4mrXD)

628
Posted by: Ed Mahmoud at May 05, 2015 04:04 PM

i remember you

Posted by: kj at May 05, 2015 04:06 PM (lKyWE)

629 627 Charles called me a 'back stabbing snake' when he banned me. Ah, memories.

Yes.....

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at May 05, 2015 04:06 PM (Bn6aD)

630 Are we off topic yet?

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at May 05, 2015 04:06 PM (/2KMt)

631
Malkin and Geller did sniff out Norquest as an islamo-sympathiser a long time ago.

Posted by: yo! at May 05, 2015 04:06 PM (q+zA9)

632 The test is to pick someone you hate and decide if you stand for their right to free speech. For me, it's Jesse Meyerson, who advocates communism. Murderous goddamn communism. Yep. Still love free speech.

Posted by: Brewdog at May 05, 2015 04:06 PM (+Gycm)

633 On the day that Muslims call for the removal of the depiction of Mohammed, sword in hand, in the US Supreme Court Building in Washington, DC I will place some validity to their demands.

Until then, SD and STFU.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at May 05, 2015 04:06 PM (xQX/f)

634 "Trump claims she is speaking to earn money for her own purpose."

Pot, meet kettle.

Posted by: Lauren at May 05, 2015 04:07 PM (MYCIw)

635 You know I wonder how the hell the liberals are explaining their anti Geller stance to their children?

Even a ten year old would get understand that kind of reaction to cartoon drawing is cray cray.

What the hell was that routine someone did about a liberal describing how evil republicans are to his eight year old and he ends up crying ...

Posted by: River Guide at May 05, 2015 04:07 PM (RJMhd)

636 634 "Trump claims she is speaking to earn money for her own purpose."

Trump is a chump...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at May 05, 2015 04:07 PM (Bn6aD)

637 Is Pam Geller's figure a decade ago on or off topic?

Posted by: Ed Mahmoud at May 05, 2015 04:07 PM (4mrXD)

638 Yes, The Donald is an asshole with BAD hair plugs!

Posted by: Doctor Fish at May 05, 2015 04:01 PM (P330y)

FIFY

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 05, 2015 04:07 PM (0FSuD)

639 Posted by: SE Pa Moron at May 05, 2015 04:06 PM (xQX/f)

Uhhhh they have. Since the 90s iirc

Posted by: Mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 04:07 PM (AkOaV)

640
Does LGF still exist? I honestly had no idea.

Hilarious in retrospect - I remember being so excited when I finally happened to catch registration being open there! This was around 2005 or so, I'm guessing. I had been a regular reader for a while but I could never seem to be online when he'd open registration.

I was banned simply for reposting in the commentsChuckles' own writing from his past, from the days when he actually defended Israel. Biiiiig no-no in the LGF of 2009!

Posted by: radar at May 05, 2015 04:08 PM (kQfqk)

641 Off topic, but did you notice the Fox News screwup last night with the fake shooting kind of went under the radar? When I went to bed, there was nothing about it on Hot Air or the Huffington Post. Odd.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 05, 2015 04:09 PM (39g3+)

642 I think we need more events like Pam's with plenty of armed security. The leftist who would call it baiting can stfu, terrorists should learn the hard way that trying to intimidate with violence will get you killed.

Posted by: PaleRider at May 05, 2015 04:09 PM (dkExz)

643 630
Are we off topic yet?

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at May 05, 2015 04:06 PM (/2KMt)
We're past 250, So GUN THREAD!
NC House postpone committee meeting on NRA gun bill? WTF?

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 05, 2015 04:09 PM (0FSuD)

644 LOL Little Green Footballs. So intellectual -- your blog is named for a booger joke, bitch!

Posted by: Brewdog at May 05, 2015 04:09 PM (+Gycm)

645
Today, The Donald hated on Geller and Fiorina but missed Obama, Jo Jo, and The Orange Man.

Posted by: Doctor Fish at May 05, 2015 04:09 PM (P330y)

646
i actually got banned from LGF when gellar and greet wilders first became allies and chuckles went ballistic

Posted by: kj at May 05, 2015 04:10 PM (lKyWE)

647
>>>LOL Little Green Footballs. So intellectual -- your blog is named for a booger joke, bitch!

dude, look at whut we named out band !

Posted by: Pearl Jam at May 05, 2015 04:10 PM (q+zA9)

648 Trump claims she is speaking to earn money for her own purpose.

This just confuses me. Isnt that Trump's entire raison d'etre? Is he setting up a copyright suit or something?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 05, 2015 04:10 PM (39g3+)

649 "Trump claims she is speaking to earn money for her own purpose."

Ahahaha!

Yes, Mr. 'I'm Thinking of Running Yet Again for President to Self-Promote but Not Really', tell us more about real Purposes for Doing Things.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 05, 2015 04:10 PM (1CroS)

650 @643

Bill would remove need for local sheriff to issue pistol permits, they are pissed they will lose the revenue.

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 05, 2015 04:11 PM (0FSuD)

651 The leftist who would call it baiting can stfu, terrorists should learn the hard way that trying to intimidate with violence will get you killed.

I call it baiting, but then again, I hunt hogs over corn and coyotes over rabbit dummies.

Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 05, 2015 04:11 PM (RcdfR)

652 632The test is to pick someone you hate and decide if you stand for their right to free speech. For me, it's Jesse Meyerson, who advocates communism. Murderous goddamn communism. Yep. Still love free speech.Posted by: Brewdog at May 05, 2015 04:06 PM (+Gycm)Or any number of 9/11 Troofers, antivaxxers (who actually create real, tangible harm!), or morbidly obese Michigan filmmakers who rail about the evils of capitalism while living in a million-dollar Manhattan co-op.Oh, and Dave Weigel because fuck that guy.

Posted by: radar at May 05, 2015 04:11 PM (kQfqk)

653 Pam Gellat is going to be the patron saint of concealed carry. Score so far is ISIS zero 2nd Amdt 2.

Posted by: Brewdog at May 05, 2015 04:11 PM (+Gycm)

654 Well said Sir. Gave up on O'Reilly years ago.

Posted by: Louisiana Steve at May 05, 2015 04:11 PM (J2tYO)

655 dude, look at whut we named our band !

Pikers

Posted by: Steely Dan at May 05, 2015 04:11 PM (39g3+)

656 I think we need more events like Pam's with plenty
of armed ~~security~~ citizens. The leftist who would call it baiting can stfu,
terrorists should learn the hard way that trying to intimidate with
violence will get you killed.

Posted by: PaleRider at May 05, 2015 04:09 PM (dkExz)

FIFY.

NC House postpone committee meeting on NRA gun bill? WTF?

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 05, 2015 04:09 PM (0FSuD)

Is that the one that GRNC was trying to get a lot of people to attend?

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at May 05, 2015 04:11 PM (/2KMt)

657 I hate BOR (meh, "hate" is too strong a term, I guess) for his "Pox on both their houses" approach to everything.

The Moderate repeatedly shoots at us to earn Leftist street cred.

They're useful idiots that help the enemy.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at May 05, 2015 04:12 PM (0NdlF)

658 Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 04:02 PM (AkOaV)

Same here, so I googled her, and I will say unequivocally that I approve of the message her tits are sending.

Posted by: Dirty Randy at May 05, 2015 04:12 PM (jjaLl)

659
How tall is Greet Wilders?
or is everyone in Texas short?

in that pic of him with security in Texas he is about a head taller than about 8 guys

Posted by: Yo! at May 05, 2015 04:12 PM (q+zA9)

660 @radar Dave Weigel is a stupid little shit but I will gladly put a 9mm round in a jihadi to support his right to be a stupid motherfucker.

Posted by: Brewdog at May 05, 2015 04:13 PM (+Gycm)

661 634 "Trump claims she is speaking to earn money for her own purpose."

Pot, meet kettle.
Posted by: Lauren at May 05, 2015 04:07 PM (MYCIw)

Yes making yourself a main target for assassination by Islamic crazies is a wonderful and desirable money making profession. I think Harvard is going to start a degree program for it.

Posted by: Cruzinator at May 05, 2015 04:13 PM (mt2jL)

662 -->Uhhhh they have. Since the 90s iirc

Posted by: Mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 04:07 PM (AkOaV)

Prove it.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at May 05, 2015 04:13 PM (xQX/f)

663 >> think we need more events like Pam's with plenty of armed security. The leftist who would call it baiting can stfu, terrorists should learn the hard way that trying to intimidate with violence will get you killed.

Got one coming up tonight, sort of. Charlie Hedo is getting their PEN award tonight in NYC.

If nothing else, people should realize that what Gellar did is to disprove the left's constant bleating that we have nothing to worry about regarding Islamic radicalism here. She demonstrated that it is here and it will attack.

Anyone who continues to insist this isn't the case is willfully stupid or blind.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 05, 2015 04:13 PM (g1DWB)

664 You just know these exact same a-holes would be beating their chests about how awful it was if-

someone punched some hipster in the nose because he was burning the American flag.

Every single one of them would practically be levitating in their progtardian self-righteous defense of freedom of speech.

Ckuf these people. They don't mean or even think thru a single thing that they say.

I guess my new fool-proof argument with these lackwits is:

Fe you, you stupid ignorant waste of air.

Posted by: naturalfake at May 05, 2015 04:13 PM (0cMkb)

665
has anyone side the vitriol being thrown at abbot over his reaction to the whole biggest army exercise in 6 decades in his backyard situation?

Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 03:58 PM (AkOaV)

Yep. But no fear...

we have Chuck Fucking Norris!!

'If you haven't heard about Operation Jade Helm 15, you need to,' says noted actor, martial artist and Internet meme Chuck Norris.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 05, 2015 04:13 PM (fWAjv)

666 For me its guys like Rick Warren, who are motivational speakers out to get rich using the Bible, loosely, and occasional mentions of God that test my allegiance to the principle of free speech.

Televangelists, may they all rot in hell, still have the right to speak and say their thing.

Posted by: Steely Dan at May 05, 2015 04:13 PM (39g3+)

667 Posted by: Yo! at May 05, 2015 04:12 PM (q+zA9)

He's a giant. Fucking Vikings man...

Posted by: Mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 04:13 PM (AkOaV)

668 The leftist who would call it baiting can stfu

Leftists who call it baiting are conceding the point.

Posted by: t-bird at May 05, 2015 04:14 PM (FcR7P)

669 Charles called me a 'back stabbing snake' when he banned me. Ah, memories.

Funny that. I entered (and won) the first annual Draw Mohammed contest back in feb 2006. It started when Theo got murdered, and the Dutch cartoonists got threatened. The call was to not be nasty or anything, just do a "representation". Pamela was the judge. I got first and second place, and Zombie posted my winner on his/her site.

http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2006/02/and-winners-are.html

Right after that things started going off the rails there and I was no longer welcome. Go fig.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at May 05, 2015 04:14 PM (sH832)

670 Good correction GGE.

Posted by: PaleRider at May 05, 2015 04:14 PM (dkExz)

671 Bill would remove need for local sheriff to issue pistol permits, they are pissed they will lose the revenue.

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 05, 2015 04:11 PM (0FSuD)

Among other things, like reducing the charge of concealed carry in posted areas from a misdemeanor to an incident (or some such BS legalese). Some things in it I didn't like, but more that I did (like parking lot carry).

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at May 05, 2015 04:14 PM (/2KMt)

672 How tall is Greet Wilders?
or is everyone in Texas short?

He's dutch and lot of those guys are really big, like pushing 7 feet.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 05, 2015 04:14 PM (39g3+)

673 Posted by: Yo! at May 05, 2015 04:12 PM (q+zA9)

No everyone in the Netherlands is tall. I think they best average height by 4 to 5 inches.

Posted by: Cruzinator at May 05, 2015 04:15 PM (mt2jL)

674 Ed Mahmoud the weather guy!

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 05, 2015 04:15 PM (fWAjv)

675 627 Charles called me a 'back stabbing snake' when he banned me. Ah, memories.

Posted by: Ed Mahmoud at May 05, 2015 04:05 PM (4mrXD)

Fatass is one big projection troll. He's the type who will drive by your house every 15 minutes and then accuse you of stalking him

Posted by: kbdabear at May 05, 2015 04:15 PM (GrXXa)

676 Trump claims she is speaking to earn money for her own purpose.

Posted by: Doctor Fish at May 05, 2015 04:01 PM (P330y)

My response to Teh Donald: http://tinyurl.com/kmzg2kc

Posted by: Country Singer at May 05, 2015 04:15 PM (8hctH)

677 Ed Mahmoud the weather guy!

I remember!

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at May 05, 2015 04:15 PM (Bn6aD)

678 Beat = best

Posted by: Cruzinator at May 05, 2015 04:15 PM (mt2jL)

679 We're past 250, So GUN THREAD!

Or boobehs

http://tinyurl.com/l3udj4k

Posted by: wrg500 at May 05, 2015 04:15 PM (S+el1)

680 Is that the one that GRNC was trying to get a lot of people to attend?

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at May 05, 2015 04:11 PM (/2KMt)

Have no idea what GRNC stands for NRA was axing peoples to come.

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 05, 2015 04:16 PM (0FSuD)

681 Leftists who call it baiting are conceding the point.

Hunting over baited areas is not wrong when the target is vermin or nuisance pests.

Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 05, 2015 04:16 PM (RcdfR)

682 677 Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at May 05, 2015 04:15 PM (Bn6aD)

Ah Ed....glory days...

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at May 05, 2015 04:16 PM (/4AZU)

683 @Steely Dan. You gotta be shittin me. I pick a full on commie and you pick Rick Warren?

It's cool. I support your right to free speech no matter how wrong you are, motherfucker!

Posted by: Brewdog at May 05, 2015 04:16 PM (+Gycm)

684 i actually got banned from LGF when gellar and greet wilders first became allies and chuckles went ballistic

Remember when Chuckles started looking through photos of Geert and finding all kinds of hidden white supremacy messages and symbols? Hidden in pictures and books and clouds and stuff... Good times.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at May 05, 2015 04:16 PM (sH832)

685 Why do billionaires like Trump and Mark Cuban want to be on TV?

I don't know what I'd do with that kind of money, but it wouldn't involve attention whoring.

Posted by: Ed Mahmoud at May 05, 2015 04:16 PM (4mrXD)

686 HOLY SHIT!

ED

ED

ED if we had Iowahawk and Treacher here it'd be the old days ED!

Good to see you buddy!

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at May 05, 2015 04:17 PM (/4AZU)

687 Posted by: SE Pa Moron at May 05, 2015 04:13 PM (xQX/f)

On my phone right now I'll look for an article later. I mean the onlyreason I know Muhammad is in the SCOTUS building is someone made an issue out of it in the 90s

Posted by: Mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 04:17 PM (AkOaV)

688 Back when I was doing a comments blog, I would drop by LGF but it was a lot like Hot Air where the signal to noise ratio was awful. There would be some good thoughts but 90% or more was just trash. Most of those really big blogs are that way, this being a significant exception.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 05, 2015 04:17 PM (39g3+)

689 686 HOLY SHIT!

ED

Ed, How long have You been posting here?

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at May 05, 2015 04:17 PM (Bn6aD)

690 nood-science!

Posted by: Yo! at May 05, 2015 04:18 PM (q+zA9)

691 I don't know what I'd do with that kind of money, but it wouldn't involve attention whoring.

I would disappear as much as humanly possible.

Posted by: rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger at May 05, 2015 04:18 PM (RcdfR)

692 And speaking of boobehs, it looks like someone at the VA has been trying real hard to live the Ace of Spades Lifestyle

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ng42uap

Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at May 05, 2015 04:19 PM (DlmoZ)

693 689 Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at May 05, 2015 04:17 PM (Bn6aD)

IIRC Ed made a cameo or two back when he was first "invited to leave" by Bikeboy.

Damn Ed brings back memories of when the right blogosphere was young...

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at May 05, 2015 04:19 PM (/4AZU)

694
Remember when Chuckles started looking through photos of Geert and finding all kinds of hidden white supremacy messages and symbols? Hidden in pictures and books and clouds and stuff... Good times.

yeah i remember that and the incessant coverage of the tour de france

Posted by: kj at May 05, 2015 04:19 PM (lKyWE)

695 Steely Dan. You gotta be shittin me. I pick a full on commie and you pick Rick Warren?

That was me, being sloppy with a sock.

Rick Warren might be a helpful guy but he's about as Christian as Dr Phil. He's using a church and the trappings of Christ to present self help pop psychology, and for me as a Christian, that's even more offensive than a commie.

But he's free to do it, in this country and I'll fight for his right to do so.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 05, 2015 04:19 PM (39g3+)

696 I wonder how many of the people crticizing Ms. Geller would (or already have) go see 'The Book of Mormon' without a second thought?

Posted by: junior at May 05, 2015 04:19 PM (43pPh)

697 No everyone in the Netherlands is tall. I think they best average height by 4 to 5 inches.

Had to be. It's evolutionary survival, man. The short ones all drowned whenever the dikes leaked or gave way.

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 05, 2015 04:19 PM (JO9+V)

698 Pam Gellar is going to be the patron saint of concealed carry.

1 - Edited for spelling.
2 - From the pictures, those were a bit large to conceal.
2a - I'm talking about the firearms.
2b - Don't look at me like that.
3 - No item 3, just felt there should be something here.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12 at May 05, 2015 04:19 PM (DT3rQ)

699 Most excellent bait.

Draw Mohammad contest in concealed carry Texas where even the cops clearly enjoy spending extra time on the range.

Two head shots at a distance against men with rifles.

If that is baiting, we should have draw Mohammad contests here on a regular basis.

Posted by: Ed Mahmoud at May 05, 2015 04:19 PM (4mrXD)

700 Nicely done, Ace. And while I know Ms. Gellar does have that take-no-prisoners, kick-em-in-the-ass approach that puts some people off, she is correct in her assertions. We are in an existential struggle with Islam. It is going to end up either our culture and way of life or theirs. No middle ground. Anyone who doubts this can ask the 3,000 people who were murdered on 9/11 by the "religion of pieces". Oh, that's right. We can't. They are DEAD. Along with uncounted others whose only crime was not having bowed down to Islam.

Posted by: The Oort Cloud - SMOD is inbound at May 05, 2015 04:20 PM (yTMXB)

701 Rick Perry should have declared for Pres. from the site in Garland, Missed opportunity.

Posted by: Brewdog at May 05, 2015 04:20 PM (O34ZX)

702 Rick Perry should have declared for Pres. from the site in Garland, Missed opportunity.

Posted by: Brewdog at May 05, 2015 04:20 PM (O34ZX)

703 Have no idea what GRNC stands for NRA was axing peoples to come.

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 05, 2015 04:16 PM (0FSuD)

Grass Roots North Carolina. grnc.org

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at May 05, 2015 04:20 PM (/2KMt)

704 No everyone in the Netherlands is tall. I think they best average height by 4 to 5 inches.
Posted by: Cruzinator at May 05, 2015 04:15 PM (mt2jL)

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If they'd take off those damn wooden shoes, they'd be average.

Posted by: Soona at May 05, 2015 04:20 PM (/HX7u)

705 699 Posted by: Ed Mahmoud at May 05, 2015 04:19 PM (4mrXD)

The cops popped two AK guys with Glock 21s in .45 ACP....

total customer service interval was ~15 seconds...

2 dead Jihadis=s "a good start"

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at May 05, 2015 04:21 PM (/4AZU)

706 I think every cop in Texas thinks they're Wyatt Earp. But if they can shoot like that maybe they aren't all wrong.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 05, 2015 04:21 PM (39g3+)

707 688Back when I was doing a comments blog, I would drop by LGF but it was a lot like Hot Air where the signal to noise ratio was awful. There would be some good thoughts but 90% or more was just trash. Most of those really big blogs are that way, this being a significant exception.Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 05, 2015 04:17 PM (39g3+)The Hot Air comments have always sucked. I wouldn't be surprised if over half of those people are leftist plants, trying to prove how stupid conservatives are by writing posts that uphold every dumbass stereotype.

Posted by: radar at May 05, 2015 04:21 PM (kQfqk)

708 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 05, 2015 04:19 PM (

I feel that way about Joel Olsteen.

Posted by: Cruzinator at May 05, 2015 04:21 PM (mt2jL)

709 Gellar shows courage in 2 ways, 1 to the islamists, and 2 to the "I support free speech but . . ." group, who are unprincipled cowards

Posted by: chelsea danger at May 05, 2015 04:21 PM (CppQc)

710 Rick Perry should have declared for Pres. from the site in Garland, Missed opportunity.
Posted by: Brewdog at May 05, 2015 04:20 PM (O34ZX)

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That seems to be Perry's MO. Missed opportunities.

Posted by: Soona at May 05, 2015 04:22 PM (/HX7u)

711
On my phone right now I'll look for an article later.

Good luck finding an article that does not exist. Mohammed is depicted in the US Supreme Court Building in Washington, DC. Sword in hand.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at May 05, 2015 04:22 PM (xQX/f)

712 @Bro Cavill .. Tittays.. Agreed. She is our national Joan of Arc of free speech and anti-jihad. And she is stacked.

Posted by: Brewdog at May 05, 2015 04:22 PM (+Gycm)

713 I don't think the jihadis quite know what they are dealing with when it comes to Texans. We'll bait our hog traps with them.

Posted by: X at May 05, 2015 04:22 PM (n5fTN)

714 The left and Islam are allied with each other.

It is as simple as that. Some so called conservatives are basically soft and sissified. O'Reilly is one of those. He, like Trump, are rich guys who can talk a big game, but don't have the guts to put their life on the line for our basic freedoms.

When you are openly critical of the Islamic religion, and their laws and morals, and do it in a provocative way you are a brave person because you will be in a gutter fight for the rest of your life. Geller is a brave person, so is Robert Spencer, and some of the others who have kept the struggle going against Islamic law and governance.

Prophets are made to be stoned by the mob, but sometimes they can change the world. Something O'Reilly and Trump will never do...they are just old rich guys talking big...they are the mob with the stones, not the prophet.

Posted by: William Eaton at May 05, 2015 04:23 PM (q52Ma)

715 This is all part of the creeping Political Correctness that plagues everything including technical blog posts such as this one where the author attempts to argue that some crowdfunding efforts are just ruining crowdfunding, mostly because she doesn't agree with their politics.

Posted by: ptarver at May 05, 2015 04:23 PM (cMlC1)

716 Ace- Great friggin' post!! Should be posted on every damn blog, newspaper and lamppost in America.

Posted by: 308BRP at May 05, 2015 04:23 PM (KZzKK)

717 I remember observing Chuckles "evolving" simply by notingin real-timehow the tone of his posts about both George W. Bush and Barack Obama changed. Good times!

Posted by: radar at May 05, 2015 04:24 PM (kQfqk)

718 45 ACP: Because a 9mm MIGHT expand, but a 45 will NEVER shrink

.45 ACP Hollowpoint: The only round capable of carrying water to your horse.

God's own caliber.

Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at May 05, 2015 04:25 PM (DlmoZ)

719 Charles Johnson banned me from LGF for defending Pam Gellar. Hanging out at that place during his conversion meltdown or whatever it was like having dinner with Stalin.

Johnson is a very strange man, he said, stating the obvious.

Posted by: troyriser at May 05, 2015 04:25 PM (S08gh)

720 Absolutely, AMEN, to Ace's precise analysis of the situation.

But . . on the other hand . . .

Hee!

Posted by: Please Don't Rock the Boat, If You Want Me to Love You at May 05, 2015 04:26 PM (ky5gy)

721 Mental illness or drug use was my question? I don't know what started the Nazi under every bed obsession with Gellar and Fjordman...

Posted by: Ed Mahmoud at May 05, 2015 04:27 PM (4mrXD)

722
Posted by: Ed Mahmoud at May 05, 2015 04:27 PM

thats a blast from the past,what ever happened to fjordman?

Posted by: kj at May 05, 2015 04:29 PM (lKyWE)

723 I think we are really missing the forest for the trees. Islam in a lunatic religion that believes lunatic things including the idea that the certifiably insane Mohammed set the perfect example. Members of this insane religion are currently beheading Christians (for being Christians), burning people alive, murdering gays, women, and children, selling children into slavery, and just about every over-the-top horror mankind has come up with. And Americans are bitching about a woman provoking these lunatics by having a cartoon contest? What were the Coptics doing to provoke the assholes? Breathing. That's what they were doing. How are we going to muster the will to fight these bastards if the lily-livered left wing controls what can and can't be said? The other part of this insanity is that Muslims claim the right to kill anyone who mocks their religion or their frigging idiot creator of this God-awful collection of gibberish, but they freely mock, disparage and lie about Christians, Jews, etc. When I see Muslims attack fellow Muslims over the propaganda they spew against Jews, like the Elders of Zion, then maybe I will muster up some respect. Until then, each and every day, every American should freely mock the religion that is responsible for so much senseless violence in the world.

Posted by: Ian Deal at May 05, 2015 04:30 PM (QgD01)

724 Posted by: SE Pa Moron at May 05, 2015 04:22 PM (xQX/f)

http://tinyurl.com/qe98894

3 paragraphs down.

No need to be a dickfor about it, either. I could have been wrong and would have admitted it if I was.

Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 04:31 PM (AkOaV)

725 oh oops and nood

Posted by: mynewhandle at May 05, 2015 04:31 PM (AkOaV)

726 I feel that way about Joel Osteen.

Yeah same deal. And Joyce Meyer. They all can have good things to say and be helpful, in the way an AA meeting or psychiatrist can. Or a warm helpful granny. But Christian? Not so much. Vaguely religious self help pop psych.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 05, 2015 04:32 PM (39g3+)

727 Mohammad raped 9 year old girls. He was a pedo. No wonder Muslims don't want people talking about him or even drawing him.

And he was supposedly 'the perfect man'...

Posted by: Ed Mahmoud at May 05, 2015 04:34 PM (4mrXD)

728 The old lady chides me all the time with, "Now listen, we're going to be going out to dinner with the Douchebags tonight (who twice voted for Jugears and never met a Kennedy they wouldn't suck off) so please don't ruin the evening by speaking your mind on anything you believe in."

So I usually wait til they've stepped on my toes a couple times and then blast their heros.

Don't get much pussy at the end of the evening, though, so . . . BUT, ON THE OTHER HAND . . .

Posted by: Please Don't Rock the Boat, If You Want Me to Love You at May 05, 2015 04:35 PM (ky5gy)

729
He cant catch a break! lol

Top Gear under investigation from Ofcom over Jeremy Clarkson's use of word 'Pikey'

http://bit.ly/1zKkF0k

Posted by: Bruce J at May 05, 2015 04:36 PM (iQIUe)

730 No need to be a dickfor about it, either. I could have been wrong and would have admitted it if I was.

No, you're wrong. Still. Did you even read that link?

Don't try to blow smoke out of my ass.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at May 05, 2015 04:39 PM (xQX/f)

731
Are you beer body ready?

https://goo.gl/e7p31P

Posted by: Bruce J at May 05, 2015 04:42 PM (iQIUe)

732 For the record, despite what one individual wants you to believe:

Mohammed is depicted in the US Supreme Court Building in Washington, DC. Sword in hand.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at May 05, 2015 04:44 PM (xQX/f)

733 "And thus most people's first loyalty is not to any abstract Idea, but the more tangible Class they come from, and which gives them Identity, which gives them Place in the world, and which is, for far too many thinkers, a major source of pride and, I dare say, egotistical joy."

That describes Moo Moo to a T. He likes money and is peeved at the Dems for wanting more of his and that's fine - but he hates the socons and takes an egotistical joy in thinking - wrongly - that he is better and smarter than they are.

He's too shallow and poorly read and unoriginal to ever challenge the smug Upper Middle Class Consensus that tell him a 7 month old unborn baby is a baby and not a clump of cells. Thus his hatred of people with a conscience.

Posted by: Donna V. (sans ampersands) at May 05, 2015 04:47 PM (u0lmX)

734 "Remember when Chuckles started looking through photos of Geert and finding all kinds of hidden white supremacy messages and symbols? Hidden in pictures and books and clouds and stuff... Good times. "

Heh. And all because Geller rebuffed him. Gee, I wonder why she didn't consider ponytail boy a great catch?

Posted by: Donna V. (sans ampersands) at May 05, 2015 04:49 PM (u0lmX)

735 If you think it is an inappropriate time to say Geller sucks, then you are more like OReilly than Geller.

Free speech is being able to say "meh" anywhere, anytime.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at May 05, 2015 04:56 PM (8rRE+)

736 i don't know how many times i have emailed o'reilly to get with the program and start educating himself by reading ace of spades. i told him he might learn something.

Posted by: concrete girl at May 05, 2015 04:58 PM (4KALL)

737 "I don't think islam is compatable with western culture, so I think this is a huge mistake."

Ahem... from Sir John Glubb's "The Fate of Empires and Search for Survival"

"Once more it may be emphasised that I do not wish to convey the impression that immigrants are inferior to older stocks. They are just different, and they thus tend to introduce cracks and divisions."

http://people.uncw.edu/kozloffm/glubb.pdf

Too much immigration, of different stock, and an Empire will fall.

Posted by: Russtovich at May 05, 2015 04:58 PM (8zhoe)

738 734 Posted by: Donna V. (sans ampersands) at May 05, 2015 04:49 PM (u0lmX)

Well his deflated libido found a new outlet via Barack Obama so it all worked out.

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at May 05, 2015 05:04 PM (/4AZU)

739 Well said, Ace. I guess violent mobs killing people over "Piss Christ" would have been justified.

Posted by: MCPO Airdale at May 05, 2015 05:06 PM (P5gnG)

740 Pamela Geller's is right and fearless,
Megyn Kelly's right, ...

Bill O'Reilly's continues to be a buffoonish blowhard and wrong and refuses to take a correct stand on this only because he'd be shown to be a hypocrite due to his also incorrect stand on the Piss Christ statement.

Posted by: Sailfish at May 05, 2015 05:06 PM (lWNgF)

741 Correct spelling is Geller.

Posted by: Kate at May 05, 2015 05:12 PM (2orMQ)

742 722
thats a blast from the past,what ever happened to fjordman?

Posted by: kj at May 05, 2015 04:29 PM (lKyWE)

He's still around. His essays are frequently featured at Gates of Vienna.

Posted by: rickl at May 05, 2015 05:18 PM (zoehZ)

743 742 Posted by: rickl at May 05, 2015 05:18 PM (zoehZ)

I miss Reaganite...

we have AfricaChick and Baldilocks here...

God Chunk had an all-star crew of posters...literally.

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at May 05, 2015 05:20 PM (/4AZU)

744 O'Reilly has always sucked.

Posted by: Ed Mahmoud at May 05, 2015 05:22 PM (4mrXD)

745 When I see buffoonish comments, rife with spelling and grammatical errors, with links sent to somewhere insignificant that does not prove their point -- and it's a G-ddamn important point, mixed in with an obscenity or two (perhaps to fit in), I've gotta be honest:
nic; (mynewhandle)
I rate:
moby +9
troll +9

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at May 05, 2015 05:24 PM (xQX/f)

746 745 Posted by: SE Pa Moron at May 05, 2015 05:24 PM (xQX/f)

I'm mortified at my Horde Q rating these days.

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at May 05, 2015 05:26 PM (/4AZU)

747 I'm mortified at my Horde Q rating these days.

You're safe. Exceptionally obtuse though, I find.

I go way back to LFG (sic). Peeps I had (used to have NSA) in my email account went on to bigger things and either still comment here or get linked. I provided Chuckles with a story that shut his blog down for days and went international.

So when someone tries to blow smoke out my ass, over something that is critical in the entire 'Mohammed must not be depicted!' story, I get testy. Because we all should know that.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at May 05, 2015 05:38 PM (xQX/f)

748 747 Posted by: SE Pa Moron at May 05, 2015 05:38 PM (xQX/f)

Heh I thought I was getting less obtuse and cryptic over time, part of why I am pulling the fade.

I go back to LGF as well...

I regret not trying to go on to bigger and better things blogging wise.

I'm happy for the Alumni who "went to the show" though.

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at May 05, 2015 05:44 PM (/4AZU)

749 Excellent post. Thank you. Insty is always saying we have the worse political class in our history. He's too kind. We have the worst leadership class in our history for this very reason.

You can say we went wrong at various times in the past, but I usually think it became obvious when we as students starting displaying Harvard or any other school on our sweatshirts and on car decals. Look at me! They don't realize it takes a lifetime to become wise.

I spent junior year abroad in the 70's in Europe and it was common place for my fellow students to mock American tourists we encountered. I mean, "Jeez, what are these yokels doing here?" These were people like their parents or grandparents or uncles.

I was lost in the city (Vienna) one day. I met a Viennese who led me all the way to my destination not minding that I didn't speak Austrian. Ahem. He told me as we departed, "I'd do anything for an American."

That's what I learned on junior year abroad. I don't want their approval. They haven't earned my respect.

Posted by: (not JJ) Sefton at May 05, 2015 05:47 PM (wi0rD)

750 Believe it or not, there are still people on the internet that remember me as Ed Mahmoud abu al Kahool's Martyrs Brigades..

Every now and then...

Posted by: Ed Mahmoud at May 05, 2015 05:47 PM (4mrXD)

751 I go back to LGF as well...

Different nic then? Because I remember names, and writing styles, and details like an Idiot Savant on amphetamines.

I can't give you mine. I hadda bunch. Took CJ years to bannish them all. Except for one.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at May 05, 2015 05:50 PM (xQX/f)

752 751 Posted by: SE Pa Moron at May 05, 2015 05:50 PM (xQX/f)

I was "Sven10077" I actually "wrote" then.

Real posts on CoIN, extant failures politically in the fight etc etc.

I tended to be on late night when wife was in Korea, and 'ghani...

I had left for the most part by her Iraq tour when Chunk was blowing Obama.

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at May 05, 2015 05:53 PM (/4AZU)

753 750 Posted by: Ed Mahmoud at May 05, 2015 05:47 PM (4mrXD)

Ed what's your twitter handle bug I'm @Sven10077 we should get an LGF exiles pack running to piss Chuck off.

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at May 05, 2015 05:54 PM (/4AZU)

754 753 Sven,

*bud*...

anyway Ed I miss the Hurricane updates...

you and I had a good time during Katrina and Rita I was in Louisiana at the time.

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at May 05, 2015 05:55 PM (/4AZU)

755 Believe it or not, there are still people on the internet that remember me as Ed Mahmoud abu al Kahool's Martyrs Brigades..

I remember the nic as slightly different. But doing a search on 'site:LittleGreenFootballs.com Ed Mahmoud' you got a lotta hat tips.

More then me. But my dicks bigger!

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at May 05, 2015 06:01 PM (xQX/f)

756 Cowardice, an anti christian agenda, and muzzie threats of violence are why the History Channel et al are completely devoid of thought provoking little mockumentary episodes like " why did moh's holy vision conveniently line up with his lust for his adopted sons wife, or did the big moh really ride a flying horse? Or how bout that wife beating thing, and so on"
We better stand beside Pam Geller today, or we are going to be shining our new muzzie overlord's knobs in the not to distant future...... Pretty women and girls that is, the rest of us will be pushing up daisies wondering why our tolerance and good manners didn't stop the jihadi dead in his tracks with awe at our collective stupidity.

Posted by: Old Guy at May 05, 2015 06:04 PM (5rB/l)

757 LGF...I wonder what happened to buzzsawmonkey, he wrote some really good stuff over there.

Posted by: JHW at May 05, 2015 06:07 PM (w+zdY)

758 LGF...I wonder what happened to buzzsawmonkey, he wrote some really good stuff over there.

He's appeared here a couple times. Written for Breitbart a couple times. I used to have his email addy in my address book. I offered him unlimited use of my blog, now discarded.

Brilliant dude. Could turn a phrase with the best of them.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron at May 05, 2015 06:17 PM (xQX/f)

759 I was fed up with O'reilley's faggotry years ago. I was fed up with Fox's faggotry years ago. I hate to have to point this out to an internet pundit, but there's absolutely no reason to watch Fox.

Posted by: Harvey at May 05, 2015 06:27 PM (5yNiz)

760 Well and passionately written. There should only be praise of a brave woman fighting for the right to freedom of speech and thought. What a travesty that the best "mass media" we can turn to is Fox News. As much as we should call reporters-journalists-media stars on the carpet, it is the owners of that media that we should constantly be criticizing. Their names should be up in lights on a hall of shame -- this is what they pay for; this is what they demand. Enough of driveling, sniping leftists, especially when they try to claim "conservative". Thanks for your courage, too, Ace.

Posted by: pyromancer76 at May 05, 2015 06:57 PM (zvcr8)

761 I don't know if I missed last call or what, but this piece crystallized things for me...I dip into Fox every now and then, but a while back, I just stopped believing them. Any of them. I don't think they're lying really, I just think they are reading. So, yeah, CNN, those fucks I believe. All of them. Thx Ace, you're right, sadly. Oh, the pols too. Do like Carly though.

Posted by: rivahgurl at May 05, 2015 06:58 PM (PlDWl)

762 One of your best posts ever, Ace.

Our current ruling class may be the worst in American history. At the founding of America, the elite were not physical cowards. They pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor and some of them had to pay what they had pledged.

The in the 1960s and 1970s the college educated upper middle class made the first decision of their adult lives in choosing to to avoid military service and rationalize their cowardice. This did not mean that that generation was worse than any other but for them opting out of danger without social consequence was an option. During WW II there was an a real social price to be paid for not serving. Even an irresponsible wastrel like JFK felt compelled to enlist and LBJ cobbled together something that could be construed as service in a combat zone (for which he finagled a Bronze Star).

Given their start in adulthood, the people who have been setting the standards for the upper middle class have been rationalizing their behavior for their whole lives. This means that they have to disparage physical courage like they have been doing for their entire adult lives because to do otherwise would be impossible to face.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at May 05, 2015 07:06 PM (KDbAT)

763 The media needs to do one of two things here,
1. Defend the Mohammed cartoons.
or,
2. STFU forever.

Posted by: obsidian at May 05, 2015 07:11 PM (ARK2U)

764 I lurk here, and mostly lurked at LGF. I left before I was banned. Love the idea of a reunion, anywhere but at the LGF site!

Posted by: Former SSG at May 05, 2015 07:37 PM (J/5jG)

765 Comments section at Popehat is rife with frothing at the mouth liberals shamelessly trying to paint Pamela Gellar as a genocidal maniac. And their host, Ken White, isn't much better.

Posted by: Bloodthirsty - me? at May 05, 2015 10:45 PM (0FtE6)

766 "Perhaps I am like Ms. Gellar in this respect: I have long ago decided that I do not wish to be on the list of the Acceptable Ones, and will take no action whatsoever to secure my place upon it. Maybe I have an advantage here: I do not seek the approval of those who bestow Respectability, as I simply do not respect them."

Hear, hear.

Also, I am Spartacus.

(But don't tell Matenloch about this conversation. If there's one thing he wants to be, it's on the respectable side of certain conversations, reality be damned.)

Posted by: Christoph Dollis at May 06, 2015 12:12 AM (SmcLZ)

767
Great essay.

Posted by: Levin at May 06, 2015 06:45 AM (6pgRO)

768 Yup, nailed it... making political-correctness what "decent" people do and need to get ahead, the progressive left/liberal strategy.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 06, 2015 07:39 AM (mJtuT)

769 O'Reilly: Another Obamabot

Posted by: burt at May 06, 2015 08:43 AM (ls8AU)

770 Ace - Bravo, simply bravo !

Without freedom of speech, we are all subject to tyranny and oppression without end.
Freedom of Speech is part of our 1st Amendment because it numbers among the most fundamental rights of a free people. Attacking those who defend freedom is a subversion of those very freedoms.

Posted by: tlk428 at May 06, 2015 02:21 PM (0c9yp)

771 Hear, hear!

Geller and Wilders did not hold a cartoon contest in Mecca, but in a suburb of Dallas Texas. Two bozos drove a thousand mile across desert to be offended., and to try to murder the person who offended them. There is no balance between free speech and provocation, simply because all freedom is a provocation to these people.

A woman with her hair showing, a man without a beard, either one who fails to wash the patoot in the prescribed manner, is a provocation. They can not be appeased, nor satisfied, ever. Cowing before them only encourages them. If they believe that at least some of us are willing to bow before them, they will only seek more dhimmis. A wall of defiance is the first sign of a real defense. Defiance begins with laughing at them.

Posted by: Michael Adams at May 06, 2015 10:25 PM (yeSc8)

772 Yet again, Ace just spews whatever is on his mind, without regard to what people may think.

How refreshing.

There are so many brilliant statements made in this piece that I couldn't even begin to list them all. But I can say that I agree with them all.

Posted by: DeadMessenger at May 07, 2015 01:39 AM (08Vr9)

773 A lot of people on the net began using this term they borrowed or stolen from ancient times, that they would "fight to the death to defend your right to speak" even though they disagreed vehemently with the other party. This was around 2003-2006, the whole internet argument about Iraq and terrorists.

At the time, my intuition told me that most of them were hypocritical posers. Defend to the death? What the hell have they ever done to defend anything, to the death, to begin with?

Do they even understand the amount of Willpower it takes to actually do what they claim they would do? P Gellar does what she says, walks the walk. That can be recognized or respected. What the hell did the rest of the Internet free speech warriors do?

Posted by: Ymarsakar at May 07, 2015 01:32 PM (xFjpq)

774 I've read a lot of articles by people who don't personally like Pamela Geller (apparently she's hard to get along with), but who agree with what she says about the Islamist threat. I've never met her, so I don't know what she's like personally, but I've lived long enough to know that some clear-thinking, smart, truth-telling people are perfect shits otherwise. That's not the part about them that should engage people. What should engage people is the truth of what they say, and the screw-nice way they say it.

Posted by: RebeccaH at May 07, 2015 07:12 PM (kX1e7)

775 Like Ace, I've disagreed with Pam a lot. BUT. She has an Absolute RIGHT to speak her mind.

Yes, maybe she did it as bait - but is that a bad thing?

She did lure some idiots out of the bush and into caskets, and that's a good thing.

Posted by: Kathy Kinsley at May 07, 2015 07:26 PM (P1Mfe)

776 I have to admire Pam for sticking with her values, her beliefs. I have seen way too many bloggers give up, give in, and then just ignore what the heck the Islamists are doing and what they want.

I have disagreed with Pam in the past, but not on the essence of what her ideas are.

I fully support her defense of Free Speech. I have to admire her for sticking with it, because it is very hard to put up with people who yell at you for reminding them what exactly is going on when they are more interested in a royal baby and deflated balls.

It's really hard to have people say they hate you for having values that are not upper middle class values.

Hurray for Pam Geller. May she have a very long life and annoy the heck out of the country club types and the Islamists forever.

Posted by: Beth Donovan at May 07, 2015 08:13 PM (l0i1R)

777 This post is an inspiration. My only quibble: Northeast-and-California should be
Northeast-and-coastal-California.

Posted by: melanerpes at May 07, 2015 08:31 PM (cO6hy)

778 We Irish would harken back to Lace Curtain vs. Shanty.

Posted by: JimmyMac at May 07, 2015 09:13 PM (XrRhH)

779 Ace: Amen.

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at May 07, 2015 09:55 PM (/TVFe)

780 The entire Conservative media has betrayed their Conservative rank and file readers, viewers, and listeners since 2007 by never protesting the constitutional ineligibility of Obama or Obama's use of fraudulent ID documents, for the very reasons that Ace of Spades describes. Democrats do what Democrats do. But the Conservative media, composed of cowardly careerists, could have stopped Obama's nomination, renomination, and the agenda of destruction he has successfully implemented, with the worst yet to come. The Conservative media are Obama enablers and complicit in Obama's crimes. Metaphorically speaking, every one of them should be shot.

Posted by: Barkahn at May 07, 2015 11:16 PM (Vs4zU)

781 There is a host of criminal sanctions and civil damage remedies under our law available to those who are offended or harmed by hate speech. I guess for muslims (CAIR included) the gun is just a whole lot quicker and they don't risk losing all those legal fees in court.

Posted by: DavidB at May 08, 2015 11:24 AM (gSo1A)

782 There is a host of criminal sanctions and civil damage remedies under our law available to those who are offended or harmed by hate speech. I guess for muslims (CAIR included) the gun is just a whole lot quicker and they don't risk losing all those legal fees in court.

Posted by: DavidB at May 08, 2015 11:24 AM (gSo1A)

783 Ace,

Too bad this blog does not maintain a top 10 readers choice posts, because this would be #1 in my book.

Well articulated!

Posted by: JohnMc at May 08, 2015 02:00 PM (ZVUS/)

784

"Ms. Gellar is fearless.

Ms. Gellar, for whatever reason, is utterly immune to the thuggish
enforcements of conformity imposed by the Social Justice Warrior and
their publicity department, which we know as the legacy media."
The reason is simple: entrepreneurialism. Gellar's fearlessness springs directly from the fact that she is her own boss and no one's employee. The tonic for a fearless press is simply ownership of the means of production. For entrepreneurial capitalists, owning the means of thought propagation allows one to accept the responsibility of forming and expressing one's earnest opinion. The crucial difference is not that those middle class by income are cowardly, but that those who are employees are cowardly. The concern for job security and the submission to censorship is not the lot of the middle-class by income, but of those who seek job security at the expense of entrepreneurial agency.

Posted by: dchrist at May 09, 2015 04:05 PM (STrEA)

785 the fact that many on the right are attacking gellar is proof that we do not have a two parties. we have a socialist party and controlled opposition that works with the socialist party. the entire system is rigged

Posted by: eric at May 10, 2015 12:05 PM (m2h5a)

786 also why will no one say the obvious ? that islam and those who practice is are fundamentally incompatible with the west. at the same time the state department is importing thousands of muslims syrian refugees? history shows that muslims do not integrate into western democracy, they will become a fifth column and be bombing marathons in a few years.

Posted by: eric at May 10, 2015 12:11 PM (m2h5a)

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