Overnight Open Thread, 11-23-2014 -- Workin' Man Edition

Well, 'Rons n' 'Ettes . . . me again. Apparently there's an epidemic of Cob Flu going around. Seems Maet has developed some mysterious symptoms which cause him to carouse in much the same way that CDR_M has the for past couple of weekends. And I guess the options are growing pretty thin since I find myself charged with filling in for a second consecutive night that would have otherwise been spent in typical sluggardly fashion. But, since it's been raining all day and the ground was already fairly saturated, my chances of getting in a full day at work tomorrow are pretty slim. So, I should be able to catch up on my indolence then. The paycheck will suffer, but hey -- it's that time of year.

Speaking of which, as some of you may recall from one of my earlier ONT contributions, there's been a bit of a shakeup in my life over the past few months as I suddenly found myself in the midst of an unplanned career change. At the time, I'd gone from tending bar at a local watering hole (some dare call it a roadhouse) to working for a friend of mine who owns a couple of poultry farms. Since then, I've found employment working for a company that installs fiber optic lines. The chicken farming job was essentially a favor from my friend to keep me gainfully employed until something more permanent came up. So, despite some turbulence, through it all I remained a workin' man.

The change in working conditions has definitely required some adjustment. After all, I'd spent the better part of the past 25 years working in climate-controlled environments. There's a lot to be said for that, but I have to admit I'd grown softer than Kate Upton's inner thighs in the process. Well, that's all changed now. I've adapted to working in some pretty ugly weather conditions over the past few months, spending the hottest part of the summer working in chicken houses, and now spending the winter months working outdoors. And, with that, I thought I'd share what I've learned about working outdoors and tap into the wisdom of the Horde for suggestions on how to prepare for outdoor working conditions.


The one universal suggestion I've gotten from people with regard to preparing for working in cold weather is: Layers, layers, layers. That's pretty much common knowledge, but what your layers should consist of isn't quite so obvious. As for me, my outer layer of choice is Carhartt insulated bib overalls.



I picked them up about three weeks ago -- the first pair I've ever owned. And, having worn them at work, as well as one day this past week when I went out to take photos in the snow, I wondered why I hadn't bought some years ago. They're one of the best investments I've ever made. Virtually waterproof and seemingly indestructible, I expect I'll be using them for work and leisure in cold weather for years to come. I picked mine up at my local Rural King for $89.99 and consider them a bargain.


For the upper half of my top layer, I picked up a quilt-lined, insulated hooded jacket made by C.E. Schmidt from my local Tractor Supply store.



I didn't get it until a couple of days after the low-teen temperatures had moved out of the area, so I haven't had a chance to see how it performs in frigid weather. But, based on the feel and the relatively cool weather I've worn it in, it strikes me as every bit as rugged as the Carhartt bibs I've been wearing. It, much like the Carhartt bibs, is a bit on the bulky side, so it will limit mobility somewhat. But, I'm not going to be doing any floor exercises in them. And, at the extremely reasonable price of $44.99, I'd say it's at least as much of a bargain as the overalls -- especially compared to the similarly-styled Carhartt jackets I saw at the same store.


Perhaps the most important decision when it comes to working outdoors is what kind of shoes or boots you're going to wear. I was surprised at how many people warned me away from insulated boots, but I wound up following their advice. A lot of people suggested either Red Wing or Justin boots -- mostly the slip-on style. But, I'm a devotee of Dr. Martens lace-ups and wound up buying my third pair of their steel-toed work boots. I opted for the 6" Ironbridge Industrial Grizzly boots, and I swear by them.



I ordered mine through a local Hayes Shoes store, and it took about a week for them to arrive. At roughly $130, they're the most expensive item I've had to buy for work so far, but they're worth every penny. They're well-made, ruggedly built, very water-resistant, and comfortable as hell -- if a bit on the heavy side. Boots, like anything else, are a matter of personal preference, and everyone has their own particular brand loyalty. But, if you haven't tried on a pair of Docs, you owe it to yourself to do so the next time you shop for boots.


And while I was at the store picking up my boots, I picked up a Carhartt acrylic watch hat to keep my head and ears warm. It's thick, comfortable, and very effective.



Since I do a lot of shovel work, I generate a good amount of heat even when the temperature falls below freezing. Usually, I have to remove it several times throughout the day to cool off when I spend a lot of time digging since it holds the heat in so well. Earlier this week, it stood up to the 12-degree temps and single-digit windchill with no trouble at all.


Underneath my coat (when I wear it) and overalls, I have a Covington fleece-lined, insulated denim shirt that's usually warm enough for temperatures in the upper 20's as long as I wear a t-shirt and a lightweight flannel or denim work shirt underneath.



I've owned it for a few years now and am always surprised at how warm it keeps me in fairly cool temperatures. As it gets cooler, I definitely need something a little heavier. But, it's damn-near perfect as the second layer under my bibs on most days.


The worst thing about cold weather is trying to work with cold hands. Every time you try to apply force by hand, it feels like pounding on a concrete pad with a wooden baseball bat. So keeping them warm and dry is a must. Personally, I didn't choose to spend a lot of money on gloves as they're the one item most likely to get lost in the course of a day. Instead, I picked up some cheap ones at Dollar General Store.



The orange ones with the rubberized palm-side were about $4.00 and the brown Jersey gloves were $2.00 for three pairs. I just put them on under the orange ones and swap them out as the day goes if they get wet. I try to keep one pair on the defroster vent in the work truck at all times to dry them out throughout the day, and so far, that seems to be working pretty well.


Of course, working in the cold, dry air and sweating in a pair of gloves wreaks havoc on the hands. The skin will start to crack, split and bleed after a few days, which can make for a pretty miserable workweek. In that case, you really ought to get yourself some of this stuff:



I first heard about it when I was tending bar and my fingers were splitting open from constantly washing glasses, and I can tell you the stuff works like crazy. And, best of all, it doesn't smell like perfume, and doesn't make your hands feel greasy. In fact, it almost feels like it enhances my grip when I use it. And, if your skin is already splitting and you start using it, you should see some noticeable improvement within a week. It really is great stuff.


As for socks, I haven't invested any money in the extra-thick, moisture-wicking ones, yet. So far, just doubling up a pair of regular cotton socks has done the trick, so long as my boots keep the water on the outside -- which they have.


And, finally, no matter what the weather is like, if you're going to be outside doing any kind of construction work, you're going to need a knife at some point. I've recently started carrying two, though I only carried one for about a month.



Construction is hell on blades, and I figure it's best to carry a cheap, essentially throw-away knife around for cutting the kind of stuff you have no business cutting with a knife you intend to keep. But, you also need a knife that you can count on to be sharp when you really need it. The top, dual-blade knife is my throwaway -- it has one standard edge and one serrated edge for cutting through tree roots, fiber optic cable, etc. The other was given to me by my brother, and it has a much better blade that easier to sharpen and holds a good edge. They're both Smith n' Wessons, but they're of vastly different quality.


At any rate, a man needs a good knife, irrespective of what kind of work he does. That's something to keep in mind as Christmas approaches.


So, that's my take on how to dress for working in winter weather. I'm sure the Horde has plenty of advice to offer on the subject, so have at it in the comments. Thanks for indulging me in all my tl;dr glory.


Tonight's ONT is brought to you by Hag.


Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at 10:00 PM




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1 I must post before I read. It is the way of things.

Howdy, and thanks DDR!

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 23, 2014 09:57 PM (4Mv1T)

2 'Lo, 'rons.....

Posted by: cthulhu at November 23, 2014 09:58 PM (T1005)

3 No wonder the chickens were nervous...

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 23, 2014 09:59 PM (l1zOH)

4 Yay! ONT,

Posted by: EC at November 23, 2014 09:59 PM (doBIb)

5 Howdy TR n' cthulhu! Wish I could spend all night here in the comments, but 4:30 comes awfully early. I'll hang out for a bit, though.

Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at November 23, 2014 10:00 PM (18q33)

6 Wool socks are a needed tool in the winter panoply.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 23, 2014 10:00 PM (u82oZ)

7 If energy costs get too expensive, we will be wearing layers of clothing indoors. Interesting post.

I am still feeling ill. All day abed. And the chicken noodle soup did not stay down.

Luckily the story of Arthur the stray dog warmed my heart so today was still good.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 23, 2014 10:01 PM (41ijT)

8 4:30 comes early, so good night all.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 23, 2014 10:01 PM (u82oZ)

9 Howdy everyone.

Posted by: Country Singer at November 23, 2014 10:02 PM (nL0sw)

10 Oh.

Posted by: eman at November 23, 2014 10:02 PM (MQEz6)

11 This is arguably one of the most practical ONTs ever posted.

Did I say "ever". I do mean,EVER.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 23, 2014 10:02 PM (4Mv1T)

12 Good evening, 'rons.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at November 23, 2014 10:03 PM (KuU4f)

13 Good evening, all.

Posted by: shredded chi at November 23, 2014 10:04 PM (3gpMQ)

14 Mindy, are you around tonight?

Posted by: Colorado Alex at November 23, 2014 10:05 PM (10ydV)

15 Well, it raises an interesting topic. What works good, clothing and utensilwise. Ironically, last night I endorsed Dickies khakis, as an alternative to jeans for casual/light work wear.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 23, 2014 10:06 PM (l1zOH)

16
>>>If energy costs get too expensive, we will be wearing layers of clothing indoors. Interesting post.<<<




Sweaters are a must, what with all the global warmening and with energy prices necessarily skyrocketing!

Posted by: some anti-Semitic peanut farmer at November 23, 2014 10:06 PM (H/9vm)

17 Alright, you shitdicks, I've got a question. We're paying some dude, from a company that is real, but still to me he's just some dude, $225 an hour for phone chats, first one tomorrow. Business consultant, assembling our business plan for the State application. Any of you titans of industry have any experience with that kind of thing? Reasonable price? What should I expect from him? Anything? First "kickoff" call is at 9 am tomorrow.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 23, 2014 10:06 PM (2cS/G)

18 and if you live in Florida?

Posted by: hank the crank at November 23, 2014 10:06 PM (8CdUx)

19 The one piece coverall keeps you so much warmer than a coat. Keeps all the heat inside.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 23, 2014 10:06 PM (weV3+)

20 Layers! Dress in layers.

Posted by: EC at November 23, 2014 10:07 PM (doBIb)

21 'Chicken Farming.'

Uhum. Whatever you want to call it...

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at November 23, 2014 10:07 PM (xpPRn)

22 If you can afford them any Filson Product is Boss..

That said

The Tubes Album

The Completion Backwards Principle

Talk to Ya Later

Is a Great Rock Anthem

Posted by: Hutzpah at November 23, 2014 10:07 PM (/WmRg)

23 I'm outta here after a short "Hi ya'll" as work beckons.

Been off all week taking 'use it or loose it' vacation time, still have a week to burn down before the end of the year.

Ya'll don't trash the joint.

Posted by: Gmac- Pondering...something involving rope and a tree at November 23, 2014 10:08 PM (baiNQ)

24 I've got a pair of Carhartt insulated overalls that were my grandfather's and then my father's. They're similar to these: http://tinyurl.com/cce8uu and they've held up for a long, long time.



I'm guessing they're probably 30-40 years old, but they may be older. I have used them for about five years, but they are finally on their last legs having been worn by three generations for dirty work in the cold.

Posted by: Country Singer at November 23, 2014 10:08 PM (nL0sw)

25 We may have a bunch of nuts, fruits and flakes her in SF but thank God it rarely dips below 40.

Posted by: The mayor of candor at November 23, 2014 10:08 PM (JT2ZF)

26 I'm gonna miss the big guy.......

Posted by: the chicken at November 23, 2014 10:08 PM (weV3+)

27 Could have used most of that shit changing the wife's blown out tire in the pouring rain on the interstate while kneeling in the newly added gravel bank that was the consistency of quicksand after having drank most of a bottle of wine.

Drank another half a bottle afterwards as a reward.

Posted by: H badger at November 23, 2014 10:08 PM (+xIXD)

28 I can also vouch for the Blizzard-Proof insulated bibs and coveralls from Walls. About the same price, but stood up well to years of outdoor work on a cattle ranch. And the Carhartt canvas duck jackets. Get the heavier canvas and you will not be sorry.

Posted by: IHeartStatism at November 23, 2014 10:09 PM (rxn8B)

29 g'evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 23, 2014 10:09 PM (KCxzN)

30 @ 25 yeah thats cool but you still have to blanket your ass in a Starbucks

Posted by: Hutzpah at November 23, 2014 10:09 PM (/WmRg)

31 Evening morons. Nice piece DDR. I have a couple tactical knives, and always carry one for any home projects or at work. A good knife is invaluable in the ER, for cutting off clothes or straps, and it's the closest thing to a weapon I can legally carry in the hospital.

In my car, I have 3 knives that I can reach from the driver's seat, one including a spike for breaking windows and two with seat belt cutters, because I am not getting trapped if I ever end up in the water.

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at November 23, 2014 10:10 PM (R+XDI)

32 Hey everybody.

For anyone who hasn't already, please drop everything you're doing right now and start following @TMZ_Politics at Twitter. I don't know what's gotten into Harvey Levin, but apparently he's hired a *very* conservative-friendly individual to man the helm there, and he and/or she is kickin' ass and takin' names in the classic sense of the term.

And no, I'm *not* a paid endorser. Just a friendly tip. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 23, 2014 10:10 PM (Vh4i6)

33 I'm wearing Carhartt pants and a Carhartt long sleeved tee shirt right now. Best clothes out there.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 23, 2014 10:10 PM (2cS/G)

34
ONT!

For boots in cold weather, I used to use the Danner Ft Lewis boots. Well, before I moved to the central coast in my beloved Clownifornia. Great military boots (was turned on to the Danners when I was stationed in Alaska), but they work great for cold weather work boots as well. Expensive, though.

Get rid of those cotton socks though. Now. Cotton kills. I've been using the Smartwool light hiker socks for about 15 years now, and they're fantastic for any weather, even getting up into the 80-90 degree range. Merino wool just fucking rocks.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 23, 2014 10:10 PM (8v9fw)

35 Power went off about 15 minutes ago. I hope it wasn't the Chinese EMP

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 23, 2014 10:10 PM (weV3+)

36 Carhartt has never failed me is muddy shit work. Their scrubs, oddly enough, are also quite good.

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at November 23, 2014 10:10 PM (xpPRn)

37 Does anyone have any experience with the Duluth Trading Firehose pants? I'm considering getting some.

Posted by: Country Singer at November 23, 2014 10:10 PM (nL0sw)

38 I am still feeling ill. All day abed. And the chicken noodle soup did not stay down.

Luckily the story of Arthur the stray dog warmed my heart so today was still good.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 23, 2014 10:01 PM (41ijT)



Sorry you are under the weather, hope you feel better soon.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 23, 2014 10:11 PM (6fyGz)

39 Feet and Head. If they are cold and wet, your whole body will be cold. It is said that 90% of heat will escape from your head.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, as Voiced by Brian Dennehy at November 23, 2014 10:12 PM (jucos)

40 I wore Rocky work boots, though I have had Docs, Ariat, and several cheaper brands. My complaint with the Docs was that the pair I got didn't last well. They were plenty comfy and the steel toe was in spec, but I only got like 9 months out of them before they came apart completely. The soles were worn through and the upper was beginning to separate. My current Rocky boots are several years old and still going strong. Boots are like optics. You get what you pay for, so don't skimp. Those 60 dollar boots are not going to get you there if you actually use them.

Posted by: IHeartStatism at November 23, 2014 10:12 PM (rxn8B)

41 Here's another recommendation. As I sit here, I am wearing a GI-issue brass belt buckle. It was issued to me in 1963. I'm glad it can't talk.

I have no idea how many web belts I have worn out with this buckle. A lot, as I wear it most of the time. It's great . Primarily because it is infinitely adjustable, as opposed to 1-2" at at a time.

Sadly, it seems impossible to find brass-tipped webbing any more. Everything is brass-plated steel.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 23, 2014 10:12 PM (l1zOH)

42 Also for dry, cracked hands you can get Corn Huskers Lotion. not greasy, works wonders.



http://tinyurl.com/k5y7h2z

Posted by: exsanguine at November 23, 2014 10:12 PM (V0oj4)

43 Anna, I thought of you when I saw the '56 original owner Beetle on Ebay. Thought you had gone to look at it, didn't realize you were feeling poorly.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 23, 2014 10:13 PM (weV3+)

44 Get rid of those cotton socks though. Now. Cotton
kills. I've been using the Smartwool light hiker socks for about 15
years now, and they're fantastic for any weather, even getting up into
the 80-90 degree range. Merino wool just fucking rocks.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 23, 2014 10:10 PM (8v9fw)


I concur. Since my mom still thinks I'm 6 and insists on buying clothes for me all the time, I tell her to just buy me merino wool socks.

Last Christmas I decided I needed some new camo togs. Told mom when she asked that I needed some fresh hunting clothes. I got cotton flannel shirts. Mom thinks I hunt looking like Elmer Fudd.

Posted by: Country Singer at November 23, 2014 10:13 PM (nL0sw)

45 John Derbyshire retweeted
Daniel Horowitz @RMConservative 3h
Never has the losing party been this defiant and the winning party this conciliatory #StupidPartyvsEvilParty

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 23, 2014 10:14 PM (ZPrif)

46 Brings back memories. Layering is your friend for sure. I used to drive a lumber delivery truck for a local yard, delivering construction lumber and materials to sites. The heaters in our trucks never kept up with the cold. I asked around and opted for insulated coveralls instead of the overalls. Walls Blizzard Proof and back in teh 80's they were $90.. I remember it seemed an extravagant purchase, but soooo worth it. Still have 'em and use 'em.

I would wear 2 T-shirts, one short, one long sleeve, and a zippered hoodie underneath the coveralls. It was easy to regulate temperature just opening up the front of the first two layers. I miss those days and but really... it's tough to be out in the weather all the time. And about the hands.... spot on! Nothing ruins a week or two than a split on a couple of finger joints or finger tips. I used to get them often until a buddy told me about something like that suave... Best of luck to ya with the cold winter coming up and all the climate change.

Posted by: Yip at November 23, 2014 10:14 PM (84SRe)

47 Truck Monkey: I've read that on *really* cold days, you can *see* bits of steam come from the head.

Or maybe that's because cold-weather-climate people I know hang around too much with liberals. I dunno. ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 23, 2014 10:14 PM (Vh4i6)

48 My idea of working clothes for really cold weather???

A bath robe next to the fire... and either already have the job done before the weather hits, or wait until it clears...

But if I have to do something outside in really cold weather??? I just pull out old ski clothes... that I don't mind ripping up, and wear them under my Canvas pants...

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 23, 2014 10:15 PM (f0pWu)

49
I'm wearing Carhartt pants and a Carhartt long sleeved tee shirt right now. Best clothes out there.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 23, 2014 10:10 PM (2cS/G)


Pants? On the ONT???

how gauche...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 23, 2014 10:15 PM (6fyGz)

50
Does anyone have any experience with the Duluth Trading Firehose pants? I'm considering getting some.

Posted by: Country Singer at November 23, 2014 10:10 PM (nL0sw)








Good gear, had a couple of pairs that I was extremely pleased with. The Firehose stuff is tough as hell. You'll almost certainly outgrow the waistband before you wear out the pants.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 23, 2014 10:15 PM (8v9fw)

51 Well crap.
Not gonna be able to join ya,,, much less peruse the content.
It's teh tiny print.
Love each other fellow babies.

Posted by: teej says go K-State at November 23, 2014 10:15 PM (Ze9kt)

52 @ 31 [Conservative Crank] -- Thanks! I always had a hell of a time keeping pocket knives. I don't know how many I've had over the years, but they were all lost within a week, or so. I finally started buying them with belt/pocket clips and have been able to keep up with them much better.

Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at November 23, 2014 10:16 PM (18q33)

53 Thanks GGE, going to try another bowl of soup and sip it even more slowly.

Get the funny feeling those dinner franks at the write-in event Friday for NaNoWriMo got me. A plot by the other writers to slow my word count.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 23, 2014 10:16 PM (41ijT)

54 Yeah, I became a Carhartt believer my first autumn doing concrete flatwork. Windy, cold, shitty weather.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 23, 2014 10:16 PM (2cS/G)

55 Got a little surprise with my Papa John's pizza tonight.

Saw printed on their Red Pepper packets: "Treated with Radiation." Oookayy. I *thought* those jalapenos looked especially bright green tonight...

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 23, 2014 10:17 PM (Vh4i6)

56 Duofolds or underarmor for base layers when it's really brisk . Sounds like you have the outerwear under control .
I worked outdoors under various conditions for over 30 yrs .

Posted by: awkward davies at November 23, 2014 10:17 PM (Z+Mqb)

57 I swear by my Carhartt 'ralls. Bulletproof. I tried Walls brand "hey - what a great price!") But the zipper failed & the knees wore through in one season.
Heard good things about Duluth from other guys, too.

For boots, I hate steel toes in the winter. I'll stick with my Bates military boots. Two + years and they've held up better than any boot I've ever worn.

Posted by: shredded chi at November 23, 2014 10:17 PM (3gpMQ)

58 Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 23, 2014 10:15 PM (8v9fw)




Thanks. If I don't know the true quality on something that expensive, I damn sure want opinions that don't come from the site I'm buying from's customer reviews.

Posted by: Country Singer at November 23, 2014 10:18 PM (nL0sw)

59 Evening Chi, long time no see.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 23, 2014 10:18 PM (weV3+)

60 Love this wintertime commercial:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_hjxfBhWzA

I always like to imagine it's Sarah Palin driving. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 23, 2014 10:18 PM (Vh4i6)

61 A plot by the other writers to slow my word count.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 23, 2014 10:16 PM (41ijT)


Saba-toogie!

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 23, 2014 10:19 PM (6fyGz)

62 I like a hockey mask, Carhartt chaps, and lumberjack boots for a night out on the playground.

Posted by: Barky McFuckstick at November 23, 2014 10:20 PM (xpPRn)

63 15
Well, it raises an interesting topic. What works good, clothing and
utensilwise. Ironically, last night I endorsed Dickies khakis, as an
alternative to jeans for casual/light work wear.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 23, 2014 10:06 PM (l1zOH)
Surprising enough, I've got 2 pairs of Dockers khakis I had when I lost a bunch of weight from low carbing 3 years ago. I kept the pants and just cranked the belt down and used them around the house. I've renovated 2 houses and mowed acres and acres with those pants and they're just now giving out due to screws that caught them and tore them.That said, I'm looking at exactly this kind of cold weather gear because A, this farm (that doesn't grow anything but weeds yet) doesn't stop needing work when it's cold and B, in the burning times, being cold is a lame way to go.

Posted by: allenlou at November 23, 2014 10:20 PM (CF25Q)

64 For boots, I hate steel toes in the winter. I'll
stick with my Bates military boots. Two + years and they've held up
better than any boot I've ever worn.

Posted by: shredded chi at November 23, 2014 10:17 PM (3gpMQ)


All of my boots in the military were steel toed.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 23, 2014 10:20 PM (6fyGz)

65 Oh, and my boots when I was unloading rail cars inthe winter.
http://tinyurl.com/nx58q44


Posted by: exsanguine at November 23, 2014 10:20 PM (V0oj4)

66 firstieth!!!!! am i right? no? drat.....good night

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl 104 days until spring training at November 23, 2014 10:21 PM (u8GsB)

67 Evening horde.

Smart wool base layer. Got them for winter OCS and they're still the go-to when I can't find my way to a nice warm room.

Posted by: DC in River City at November 23, 2014 10:22 PM (e+1S5)

68 GGE,
I have to give your company props for customer service. I had a 100W LED go out on me. I had it in an enclosed outdoor fixture, which I now know not to do. Well, I called CREE and told the CS person I bought the bulb at HD, but didn't have the packaging or receipt still. She asked me a few questions and told me about only using up to 75W in enclosed fixtures. I had a new bulb in hand two days latter. No hassles. I have replaced about 1/3 of the bulbs in my house over to Cree so far.

Posted by: lindafell at November 23, 2014 10:22 PM (LbPGR)

69 Just how soft are Kate Upton's inner thighs?

Posted by: EC at November 23, 2014 10:22 PM (doBIb)

70 For base layer, if you're not going to be moving around a lot or if it's ungodly cold, I swear by the Polartec Gen III Level 2 "waffles" I got issued by the Army. Everyone I've run across loves them, too. If you're going to be sitting in a tree stand, get some. They are far superior to the old polypro that used to be issued, both in warmth and comfortable fit. And they're great for sleeping in as well. You can find them all over ebay.

Posted by: Country Singer at November 23, 2014 10:22 PM (nL0sw)

71 Hey, DDR! Since you're playing in the comments tonight...I'm gonna be in your neck of the woods the Tuesday after Thanksgiving. You up for a burger and a beer in Paducah?

Posted by: DC in River City at November 23, 2014 10:23 PM (e+1S5)

72 Garments! And knives!

Posted by: Dr. Varno at November 23, 2014 10:24 PM (fIv/H)

73 17
Alright, you shitdicks, I've got a question. We're paying some dude,
from a company that is real, but still to me he's just some dude, $225
an hour for phone chats, first one tomorrow. Business consultant,
assembling our business plan for the State application. Any of you
titans of industry have any experience with that kind of thing?
Reasonable price? What should I expect from him? Anything? First
"kickoff" call is at 9 am tomorrow.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 23, 2014 10:06 PM (2cS/G)


First things you need to get straight with him are: (1) this is not a therapy session, so you need a roadmap of the process. That means identifiable stages and milestones between them -- and a finite number of steps. (2) He should identify or provide reference materials -- he should not waste his time (and your money) explaining basic terms. (3) You should have a budget for the entire process -- both his time and other costs.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 23, 2014 10:24 PM (T1005)

74 Wool socks rock. Also foot powder if your feet sweat, dry feet are happy feet. I haven't tried it but just read that cayenne pepper or cinnamon sprinkled in socks will dilate the blood vessels to keep the feet happier. For coveralls or overalls I must have the 2-way leg zippers so I can let some heat out for borderline cold. I use fleece headbands a fair amount for when I need to shed some heat from my head but don't want cold ears.

Posted by: PaleRider at November 23, 2014 10:25 PM (7w/kf)

75 Damn, got Willowed in the never ending turkey thread.

Posted by: Countrysquire at November 23, 2014 10:25 PM (8FyP4)

76 Walt, I definitely favor the clips for knives. Decent quality S&W knives for $20-25 at TSC.

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at November 23, 2014 10:25 PM (R+XDI)

77 Jinx just looked at the Beetle you mentioned.

Paint looks super shiny and straight. But for a restoration got some questions. The dust seal around the ending is not fitting, can see daylight between engine tin and rear apron. Also why is there still a circular scuff atop the gas tank? That might be the original cardboard wiring cover but reproductions are out there. Another thing, why is there a piece of sheet metal riveted on the dash?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 23, 2014 10:26 PM (41ijT)

78 I was willowed.

Posted by: Y-not at November 23, 2014 10:26 PM (jW91e)

79 Space network up here in Canada is playing "Conan the Barbarian" with Stargate Atlantis' Jason Momoa.

I never saw it but I remember ace's review calling it 'violence porn', if I recall correctly AND I think ace said he actually left the theatre, which surprised me.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at November 23, 2014 10:26 PM (AC0lD)

80
For knives, I use my EDC blade quite heavily, mostly for opening cardboard boxes. I'm pretty good about not losing blades, plus, I keep spares in my desk at the shop.

I kept an SOG Flash II as my EDC for many years. Really liked the blade, held the edge extremely well. The lock and handle/blade interface were a bit shaky though. More movement that I would prefer. The pocketclip keeps the knife buried deep in the pocket for somewhat more discreet carry. It's a bit on the large size for my preference, but I learned to live with it.

I've got a Benchmade Mini-Griptilian for EDC now. Size is perfect. Blade lock is perfect, rock solid. Handle shape is perfect. The blade itself tends to not hold an edge as long as the SOG, which really surprises me from Benchmade. Takes more maintenance to keep it sharp, which is annoying.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 23, 2014 10:27 PM (8v9fw)

81 Thanks, cthulu, things to keep in mind.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 23, 2014 10:27 PM (2cS/G)

82 @ 72 [DC in River City] -- Count me as a tentative "yes". A lot depends on the time, and what happens at work. Sometimes, I end up working well into the night because we always seem to hit a water line just before the sun goes down and end up working late to fix it. Fire me an email to walt at damndirtyrino dot com.

Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at November 23, 2014 10:27 PM (18q33)

83 >>>All of my boots in the military were steel toed.

Do what now? I've worn Danners and Bates and one other brand I can't remember (I blame the port), but I've never heard of steel toe mil boots.

Even when I worked construction I wouldn't wear them. Better to break a toe than lose one.

Posted by: DC in River City at November 23, 2014 10:27 PM (e+1S5)

84 45
John Derbyshire retweeted

Daniel Horowitz @RMConservative 3h

Never has the losing party been this defiant and the winning party this conciliatory #StupidPartyvsEvilParty

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 23, 2014 10:14 PM (ZPrif)

************************************
I was just thinking about this. Hell, the Democrats are making the case for limited government to the general public better than we ever could, by their incompetence and malfeasance. It might actually be a genius move to stay out of the way and let them celebrate their amnesty. They own it now. And when the Ferguson riots happen this week, is anyone going to say they want them some more Democrats in office to fix race relations?

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at November 23, 2014 10:28 PM (5f5bM)

85 My company used to make the case for the O'Keeffe's Hand cream. I know the owner who invented the product. But I think she may have sold out to a large company and we don't make the cases any longer.

I still have a few jars of the products. Yeah, it works well. I hate dry hands in the winter.

Posted by: Chinaacid at November 23, 2014 10:28 PM (xU4FN)

86 Posted by: DC in River City at November 23, 2014 10:27 PM (e+1S5)



Navy requires steel toes for shipboard use.

Posted by: Country Singer at November 23, 2014 10:28 PM (nL0sw)

87 I carry a Schrade Old Timer (sadly no longer produced) as my ordinary pocketknife and at work I also carry a Stanley razorknife with replaceable blades that I use for practically everything. Working around tile dulls a blade almost instantly, so I can't imagine trying to use a knife, even a throwaway one, that has to be resharpened.

Posted by: Grey Fox at November 23, 2014 10:29 PM (yRoKb)

88 Love the pocket knife story!
I think I read it on one of these threads about the job interview where the boss asks you to empty your pockets, and if you didn't have some kind of pocket knife, off you go.

Posted by: navybrat at November 23, 2014 10:30 PM (JgC5a)

89 This is probably the first post in years that I've read all the way through. Good stuff.

When I cannot help but sweat from exertion in cold environments, a moisture-wicking undershirt, like an Underarmor or a less-expensive equivalent, feels more comfortable than sodden cotton.

Posted by: Layers, like a Shrek onion at November 23, 2014 10:30 PM (KG1MP)

90 Navy requires steel toes for shipboard use.
---------------

Clumsy sailors....

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 23, 2014 10:30 PM (l1zOH)

91 Good wool socks , definitely .
I like fixed blade sheath knives for work . You can deploy them with one hand if the other is occupied or injured , god forbid . Plus I hate having a big folder in my pocket , they poke you in uncomfortable ways when you have to do a lot of kneeling or squatting .

Posted by: awkward davies at November 23, 2014 10:30 PM (Z+Mqb)

92 I really like my Buck Hunter. It's a little bulky for a folder but the action on it is sweeter than anything I've had before any other knife.

I need boots so I'll be following the thread for a few more beers. The price of Redwings is nuts and I think the leather quality is not getting better. My brother the bricklayer is liking Doc Martins these days because of the leather.

Posted by: dartist at November 23, 2014 10:31 PM (ahBY0)

93 DDR, you've got mail. And a really cool email address.

Posted by: DC in River City at November 23, 2014 10:31 PM (e+1S5)

94 Big believer in Carhartt products. They also have some great long underwear but I only wear the drawers. We got sideswiped by the latest Vortex up here and only got down to upper single digits. Just a dusting of snow this week but expecting the stuff to start accumulating soon. As a lifelong deep south redneck, I'm learning how to handle extreme cold, mostly from the locals. Hell, I had to learn how to use a wood stove.

Posted by: Pecan Scandi at November 23, 2014 10:31 PM (QEqvj)

95 I think the rubber gasket around the engine tin is missing. The piece of sheetmetal on the dash likely hides the missing Sapphire I radio (can't remember where the radio would have been on that o/s dash)

The whole car has had a spray can overhaul...plenty of fresh black paint. But I love the old oval window bugs.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 23, 2014 10:31 PM (weV3+)

96 Lincolnrtf, on the side, I write complex regulatory filings for people: Safety Act, ITAR stuff, FCC and FAA items for $80/hr. For $225, if it doesn't involve bail, he had better be sleeping with the authority to whom you are filing.

Posted by: Jean at November 23, 2014 10:31 PM (TETYm)

97 Howdy, Chi!

Posted by: cthulhu at November 23, 2014 10:31 PM (T1005)

98 Sunday Night Elbows ONT Compliance Pics

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/536591246530473984

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/536591402717970432

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/536625644600557570

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/536695307833446401

Posted by: kbdabear at November 23, 2014 10:32 PM (GrXXa)

99 Thanks for a great thread- I've gotten some great ideas for hubbie's Christmas.

As for boots, gore tex. They are expensive, but work. He's had his pair since Bosnia, and usedthem for two more wars. He's wearing them now while he snores through talking dead.

Posted by: Moki at November 23, 2014 10:32 PM (bAB8f)

100 What is this "cold weather" y'all keep talking about?

Currently 75 degrees down here.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at November 23, 2014 10:33 PM (0HooB)

101 I carried a cheap little pocket knife in my pocket or purse for many years when we'd moved several times and I needed to open boxes a lot. There was more than once when I'd take it out to cut something and my husband's friends would be all impressed.

I ought to get one again, but a good blade instead of something that's only good for splitting packing tape.

Posted by: Synova at November 23, 2014 10:33 PM (Ek0Xs)

102

17 Lincolntf

We're paying some dude, from a company that is real, but still to me he's just some dude, $225 an hour for phone chats, first one tomorrow.

10 hours is $2250.00.


Business consultant, assembling our business plan for the State application.

What, exactly, is he doing? Is he writing a business plan for you, reviewing what you have, filling in gaps, making it "business-like"?


... for the State application.

Are you starting a business (in general), applying for state "aid", or trying to win a contract of some type from the state?

Remember, 10 hours is $2250.00. 20 hours is ...

You need to know what you need and what he can do, and how well these two things match.

Posted by: Arbalest at November 23, 2014 10:33 PM (FlRtG)

103 >>>Navy requires steel toes for shipboard use.

Because you dinguses keep dropping hammers on your feet! right?

Figures.

Posted by: DC in River City at November 23, 2014 10:33 PM (e+1S5)

104 Bob Dylan: "Workingman's Blues #2"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut5QZg5QknE

It's an audience video, so the sound quality is not so good. Here are the original lyrics:

http://www.bobdylan.com/us/songs/workingmans-blues-2

As you can hear, he has changed them considerably since the song was first written.

Posted by: rickl at November 23, 2014 10:34 PM (sdi6R)

105 Great ONT.

A reminder. No matter how well the house is insulated if there's no fire in the furnace it ain't gonna be warm, and you need fuel for a fire.

Same with the body. No matter how well dressed if there ain't food to burn in the gut you ain't gonna be warm.

Posted by: davidt at November 23, 2014 10:34 PM (fBxC6)

106 I've had good experience with S&W blades. Their pocket flashlights though tend to get like video game flashlights after a couple months in your pocket (gotta tap it a few times to get it to light up).

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at November 23, 2014 10:34 PM (81puj)

107 After having worked in $40 boots & $160 boots (& plenty in-between), I wouldn't even consider paying less than $100 for work boots.

Also, I wear lots of wool out-of-doors.

Posted by: Bumpersticker Notary Sojac at November 23, 2014 10:35 PM (MbqmP)

108 Stoopid ipad, commas are not exclamation points.

Posted by: DC in River City at November 23, 2014 10:36 PM (e+1S5)

109 Since I got out of the Army a few years ago, if I'm going to be out in the cold for any length of time, I'll just pull on one of my Gor-Tex jackets. I have em in woodland, desert, and ACU.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at November 23, 2014 10:36 PM (OsWis)

110 I used to use Bag Balm when my hands were beat up and they would get much better overnight, but that stuff is greasy. I've been seeing the OKeeffes in the stores.

When I was a penguin keeper (38 degrees but colder with a wind chill from the blower, wet and coated with penguin poop) we wore Helly Hansen overalls, knee high rubber steel toed boots, our useless company uniform (polo and shorts), sweatpants, hoodies, long sleeve shirt or t-shirts, and wool socks. We would usually only wear the Helly coat when using the firehose and garden hose in the AM.

Hands were the weak point. The key was to keep DRY. We wore cheap knit liners covered by rubber or vinyl gloves, and we had the clothes dryer constantly running with backup pairs and towels. We used to fight over who would get to unload a WARM dryer load of towels.

Posted by: stace at November 23, 2014 10:36 PM (ImzkZ)

111 Swiss Army Knife.

Posted by: McGuyver at November 23, 2014 10:36 PM (fBxC6)

112 It's a new-ish industry, medical cannabis cultivation and distillation of CBD oils, tinctures, blah, blah, blah., is that something you would/could handle? Or is it reasonable to expect to pay a premium price for a niche thing? The regs were finalized just last week, it's a bit of a mare's nest, but we've got about 9 months to be done, ready, and then evaluated by the State for fitness to proceed (or some such lingo).

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 23, 2014 10:38 PM (2cS/G)

113 Jinx it could be a Maaco paint job.

Overall it does look decent. But would not be doing an Internet bid if I can spot such issues from photos.

Oh well let me try the chicken noodle soup cure again.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 23, 2014 10:38 PM (41ijT)

114 You call that a knife???


Posted by: Crocodile Dundee at November 23, 2014 10:39 PM (H/9vm)

115 Just how soft are Kate Upton's inner thighs?


I volunteer to find out!

If y'all never hear from me again, then you'll know they're really nice.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at November 23, 2014 10:39 PM (0HooB)

116 Mid weight UnderArmor, wool socks, White brand calf high insulated packs, heavy weight sweat pants and sweatshirt, Carhart bibs and artic weight parka, and wool balaclava. Knife-Kershaw. Now you're dressed for some shit weather.

Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at November 23, 2014 10:39 PM (Rt+dc)

117 Posted by: SMFH at it All at November 23, 2014 10:36 PM (OsWis)



I'm envious. The CIF bastards made me turn mine in. Except for the DCU set that I didn't sign for. I'd love to have my old BDU pattern set back.

Posted by: Country Singer at November 23, 2014 10:39 PM (nL0sw)

118 Good items. Try ordering them through Amazon thought, might save some money.

Posted by: lynn at November 23, 2014 10:39 PM (AjrEe)

119 Party's at Lincolns place !!!

Posted by: awkward davies at November 23, 2014 10:40 PM (Z+Mqb)

120 no blah blah blah

Posted by: Dr. Varno at November 23, 2014 10:40 PM (fIv/H)

121 I have replaced about 1/3 of the bulbs in my house over to Cree so far.

Posted by: lindafell at November 23, 2014 10:22 PM (LbPGR)


I tried to put a floodlight in an outdoor fixture only to find the heat sink won't fit in the shield. Glad that they took care of you, and I'm saving about a C note per month since switching over to the Cree bulbs in all of my lighting fixtures. It kind of surprised me how much I'm saving, but the bulbs have paid for themselves.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 23, 2014 10:40 PM (6fyGz)

122 It's all about the feet for me. If my feet are cold, my hold body is cold.
And ditto on merino wool. It is fantastic as an inner layer.

Posted by: Northernlurker at November 23, 2014 10:40 PM (AkoL+)

123 Yeah, stay dry. So if you're going to be doing any real labour outside in the cold, dress barely warm enough to survive so you don't sweat the instant you start moving.

Posted by: Bumpersticker Notary Sojac at November 23, 2014 10:41 PM (MbqmP)

124 Daddy wore steel toad boots in the coal mines in Wales. He used to let me polish the toads.

Posted by: Joe Biden at November 23, 2014 10:41 PM (Boytw)

125
When I was a penguin keeper

Posted by: stace at November 23, 2014 10:36 PM (ImzkZ)








Teh Horde has some really bizarre folks, but I think this takes the cake.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 23, 2014 10:42 PM (8v9fw)

126 Speaking of "kit" and gifts, I'm really liking my new Fenix E05 flashlight. It's small enough for keychain carry without even noticing it, but it puts out up to 85 lumens. It seems like a good value at $20.

Amazon: http://goo.gl/gnlSSA

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at November 23, 2014 10:42 PM (lG2E3)

127 What's the story with the door panels in that VW?

Posted by: Countrysquire at November 23, 2014 10:42 PM (8FyP4)

128 Party's not at my place, that's half my concern. The business will be 250 miles away, in Maryland. We've been scouting out "flop apartments" for me and a buddy to stay in when we start the build out, etc. Gonna be lots of pizza and ramen, I'm guessing.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 23, 2014 10:43 PM (2cS/G)

129 Yeah,
I'ts late and on the wrong thread:

One Thanksgiving, my wife insisted we go down to Portland to have dinner
with her sister, who was doing her first Thanksgiving dinner with her
husband.
The layout was very nice. All the sides looked great. The turkey was beautiful. She made a comment about;
"I could only get a cup of stuffing into the turkey."
Anita and I looked at each-other.
Yeah, she had no idea about that little plastic bag inside the bird...

Posted by: ChrisP at November 23, 2014 10:43 PM (fG9rI)

130 When I was a penguin keeper



Posted by: stace at November 23, 2014 10:36 PM (ImzkZ)




Jessica Alba is a Moronette?



Who knew?

Posted by: Country Singer at November 23, 2014 10:43 PM (nL0sw)

131 Can't believe there are still original VW Beetles on the road.

Last I saw, too many of them were being held together with Silly Putty and wishful thinking.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 23, 2014 10:43 PM (Vh4i6)

132 Mythbusters did a pretty convincing bit a few years back that I the event of any kind of crushing injury, you were much better off with steel toes.

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at November 23, 2014 10:43 PM (R+XDI)

133 GGE ,, what's the longevity like on those Cree bulbs ?

Posted by: awkward davies at November 23, 2014 10:44 PM (Z+Mqb)

134 @122.. you're right on.. I saw some scientific show a long time ago that had subjects keep their hands and feet warm with nothing temperature-appropriate otherwise and put them in frigid conditions and they were able to maintain better core temp than subject with the reverse. The body tries very hard to keep the core warm at the expense of hands and feet.

Posted by: Yip at November 23, 2014 10:44 PM (84SRe)

135
Now you're dressed for some shit weather.

Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at November 23, 2014 10:39 PM (Rt+dc)






There's no such thing as bad weather, just inappropriate clothing.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 23, 2014 10:44 PM (8v9fw)

136 Because you dinguses keep dropping hammers on your feet! right?



Figures.

Posted by: DC in River City at November 23, 2014 10:33 PM (e+1S5)


Flight deck baby! Chocks and chains, kicking the chocks under aircraft tires, and at least once watching a Tomcat run over some unwary blueshirt's toes sold me on steel toe boots.

As far as cold weather work...glad I don't have to do it any more. Saw slurry is dirty shit that gets into everything, but at least it's warm inside. I got enough of that "outside" shit working on Uncle Sam's airplanes, you young-uns can have it.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 23, 2014 10:44 PM (6fyGz)

137 90 Navy requires steel toes for shipboard use.
---------------

Clumsy sailors....

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 23, 2014 10:30 PM (l1zOH)


You go running down a Passageway, though bulkheads with hatches, carrying a gun...

and never stub your toe?

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 23, 2014 10:45 PM (f0pWu)

138 There is a Carhartt store in Golden Colorado across the street from the auto emissions test place. I stopped in one day and was mightily impressed. It's packed, and I mean PACKED of every size possible for every item they sell.

I didn't need anything. I was looking for orange pants, and their orange isn't orange enough, except for the reflective stuff. I bought a pair of ace sunglasses.

Their online store is excellent too. I bought cargo pants from them.

Posted by: bour3 at November 23, 2014 10:45 PM (5x3+2)

139 #79 I liked Conan the Barbarian. I remember Ace calling it torture porn, and I can sort of see how it is. But, like I said... I actually really liked it. It seemed appropriate that Conan wouldn't have the sort of "good guy" morality that said... once I have you in my power it's no longer acceptable for me to kill you horribly instead of cleanly.

Plus Momoa is worth looking at.

What I've never gotten into, ever, are horror movies... which seem to be, to me, much more like torture porn than Conan. But I suppose that the difference is that in horror movies the good guys are being killed slowly and horrifically, and in Conan he killed evil people in particularly brutal ways, so you ended up cheering when he did.

Posted by: Synova at November 23, 2014 10:45 PM (Ek0Xs)

140 Country Singer,

I bought the BDU one, the other two were RFI issue, and when I went to clear CIF, they weren't listed on my paperwork, so yay.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at November 23, 2014 10:45 PM (OsWis)

141 It's a new-ish industry, medical cannabis cultivation and distillation
of CBD oils, tinctures, blah, blah, blah., is that something you
would/could handle? Or is it reasonable to expect to pay a premium
price for a niche thing? The regs were finalized just last week, it's a
bit of a mare's nest, but we've got about 9 months to be done, ready,
and then evaluated by the State for fitness to proceed (or some such
lingo).

Talk to your partners about making parts for the vape and e-cig crowd too. A lot of young guys selling in what looks like the beginning of that market.

Posted by: dartist at November 23, 2014 10:45 PM (ahBY0)

142 Advice not given so far...
Make a trip to the Army/Navy store and buy some wool military surplus pants (generally from foreign parts). They're reasonably cheap, extremely warm, just about impervious to wind, and last forever.
If you're bald, avoid acrylic hats. They're abrasive, and you're sweating. Pay the extra for wool or leather/fur. They'll keep you warmer, and are much more comfortable.

I must agree with the earlier posters advocating wool socks instead of cotton. Follow that advice. You'll be happy that you did.

Posted by: Luke at November 23, 2014 10:46 PM (Raby8)

143 Can't believe there are still original VW Beetles on the road.


Saw one yesterday down the road from Casa Backwardio. It was pre-68 (tiny taillights) and had an antique tag on it. Primer grey, no bumpers. Engine sounded like hell, but it was moving, so there's that.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at November 23, 2014 10:47 PM (0HooB)

144 Mike Hammer @41: I. Goldberg Army-Navy sells a nice no-name web belt. I've scratched and scraped two and whatever is uncovered is yellow. Magnets have zero effect. I can't swear it's all brass, but it's sturdy and looks good. I can find out more if you need 'em.

Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at November 23, 2014 10:47 PM (z899H)

145 Heh DDR, I work at a university. They'd likely go 10 types of nuts of I shouted up with anything sharper than a butter knife

Posted by: tsrblke (phone) at November 23, 2014 10:47 PM (HDwDg)

146 >>>Navy requires steel toes for shipboard use. 

Because you dinguses keep dropping hammers on your feet! right? 

------------------
You guys are funny. Reminds of of the time I was at the bar and used the head. A soldier & a sailor were in there. When he finished, the soldier starts to leave, the sailor says"in the Navy, they taught us to wash our hands when we're done."
The soldier replies "in the Army, they taught us not to piss on our hands."


And - Hi, Jinx. Yeah, it's been a while. How you been?
I see you get the whole gang for turkey day. Good for you.

Posted by: shredded chi at November 23, 2014 10:48 PM (Z+1b9)

147 If you're bald, avoid acrylic hats. They're abrasive, and you're sweating. Pay the extra for wool or leather/fur. They'll keep you warmer, and are much more comfortable.

--------

There are some other fine options also.

Posted by: Quality Lace Wigs at November 23, 2014 10:48 PM (Boytw)

148 GGE ,, what's the longevity like on those Cree bulbs ?

Posted by: awkward davies at November 23, 2014 10:44 PM (Z+Mqb)


They say 10 years, but we have industrial lights that have been up for 15-20. Cree has been in industrial lighting for a long time now. I have my first set of bulbs with Cree LED's (a company called Topco made the bulbs) that I put in my kitchen almost seven years ago.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 23, 2014 10:49 PM (6fyGz)

149 128 Party's not at my place, that's half my concern. The business will be 250 miles away, in Maryland. We've been scouting out "flop apartments" for me and a buddy to stay in when we start the build out, etc. Gonna be lots of pizza and ramen, I'm guessing.
Posted by: Lincolntf at November 23, 2014 10:43 PM (2cS/G)

This guy's name Biden by any chance?

Posted by: eman at November 23, 2014 10:49 PM (MQEz6)

150 One of our guys is big into the Vape thing. But the marketing/image/reality kind of bumps up against recreational use, and we're trying, by necessity, to emphasize the medical.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 23, 2014 10:49 PM (2cS/G)

151 Did someone say Cree?

Interesting they came up. Listened to their most recent earnings call. They are doing well, it sounded like.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 23, 2014 10:49 PM (Vh4i6)

152 It's all about the feet for me. If my feet are cold, my hold body is cold.
And ditto on merino wool. It is fantastic as an inner layer.
Posted by: Northernlurker at November 23, 2014 10:40 PM (AkoL+)


yup, I was freezing my ass off on a construction job then switched to super warm Thor-Lo socks and was fine. wore the exact same things except for the sock switch.

Posted by: LIV in Baltimore at November 23, 2014 10:49 PM (zxjKE)

153 >>>Party's not at my place, that's half my concern. The business will be 250 miles away, in Maryland. We've been scouting out "flop apartments" for me and a buddy to stay in when we start the build out, etc. Gonna be lots of pizza and ramen, I'm guessing.

Where in MD? I know of an empty condo that needs a trustworthy occupant.

Posted by: DC in River City at November 23, 2014 10:49 PM (e+1S5)

154 Agree on socks. Just bought a 4 pack of Merino wool ones at Costco for like $12. That or Thermos or Wigwam. Costco also had some Merino wool under shirt & pants for about $18 each. Have had good luck w/ both Cabela branded long underwear & love my Under Armor for their flexibility of movement & sweat wicking ability.

Posted by: pmain at November 23, 2014 10:50 PM (oH6Ph)

155 @ 142 [Luke] (and others) -- I'll definitely look into getting some wool socks. My feet haven't gotten too cold, yet -- but, it's awfully early in the season.

Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at November 23, 2014 10:50 PM (18q33)

156 Dang, only one house without power (me) and estimated time of repair is 130am.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 23, 2014 10:50 PM (weV3+)

157 To replace my workboots next year, I'm going to try a steel-toe substitute in a comparable material to keep the weight down.

Posted by: Shod or ought, I always forget at November 23, 2014 10:50 PM (KG1MP)

158 SMFH, I'm going to have to break down and buy some (more) myself.

Posted by: Country Singer at November 23, 2014 10:50 PM (nL0sw)

159
I'm envious. The CIF bastards made me turn mine in. Except for the DCU set that I didn't sign for. I'd love to have my old BDU pattern set back.

Posted by: Country Singer at November 23, 2014 10:39 PM (nL0sw)







Heh.

A couple of months before I DEROS'd, my unit was designated to test some of the HH Brown copies of the Danner Ft Lewis boots. Not quite as good as the Danners, but close. We were all issued two pair for the test. CIF screwed up and lost my hand receipt.

So I ended up with two brand new pairs with tags still on them, PLUS the Danners that I'd bought with my own $ years before. Still have one pair in storage with the tags still on them, and it's been over 23 years since I left.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 23, 2014 10:51 PM (8v9fw)

160 143 Can't believe there are still original VW Beetles on the road.

----------

They were built to last a thousand years.

Posted by: A. Hitler at November 23, 2014 10:51 PM (Boytw)

161 chi,

I just bought this for my dad (ret. squid) for Christmas


http://tinyurl.com/k4mtm5w

I'm such the dutiful daughter.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at November 23, 2014 10:51 PM (OsWis)

162 I've never owned wool socks. Am I missing out on something here?

Posted by: Countrysquire at November 23, 2014 10:51 PM (8FyP4)

163 Oh, DDR, I hope you saved the receipts for all those clothes. IIRC, you can deduct them.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at November 23, 2014 10:52 PM (0HooB)

164 Cotton socks suck. Cotton absorbs the sweat and will leave your feet cold. Get a pair or two of nylon socks and cover them with wool socks. Trust me, this is 30 years of Wisconsin deer hunting experience telling you.

Posted by: BadgerinKC at November 23, 2014 10:52 PM (rqtUh)

165
Not sure how they would wear at your work, but under armor cold gear always kept me toasty hunting, and light too, which is nice when hiking the mountains during bow season.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 23, 2014 10:52 PM (NtzGn)

166 Easiest way to dress warm for winter....
Move to Hawaii

Posted by: policiadearmadajose at November 23, 2014 10:52 PM (wRr5I)

167 There's no such thing as bad weather, just inappropriate clothing.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur

I live in a place called Glacier county. Hereabouts the railroad puts up wind breaks to keep their trains from blowing off the tracks. We have shit weather 9 months out of the year and I've been in a blizzard in every month of the year.

Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at November 23, 2014 10:52 PM (Rt+dc)

168 You go running down a Passageway, though bulkheads with hatches, carrying a gun...



and never stub your toe?

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 23, 2014 10:45 PM (f0pWu)


Reminds me of an alert I saw once, the lead Marine didn't jump up over the kneeknocker high enough and ended up on his face with the next four in line stomping all over him on their way down the passageway, then the last guy jumped too high and hit his (fortunately helmeted) head on the top of the kneeknocker and went flat on his back...right on top of the first guy.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 23, 2014 10:52 PM (6fyGz)

169 You go running down a Passageway, though bulkheads with hatches,
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What are these 'passageways, bulkheads, and hatches' of which you speak? Hold it..., do they let swabbys handle guns? Do the Marines know about this?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 23, 2014 10:52 PM (l1zOH)

170 You guys are funny. Reminds of of the time I was at the bar and used the
head. A soldier a sailor were in there. When he finished, the
soldier starts to leave, the sailor says"in the Navy, they taught us to
wash our hands when we're done."

The soldier replies "in the Army, they taught us not to piss on our hands."


I have had the pleasure of a similar conversation as well.

Posted by: dartist at November 23, 2014 10:52 PM (ahBY0)

171 Chi, need to get you up to the river for a weekend. Maybe another moron or two to solve the world's problems.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 23, 2014 10:52 PM (weV3+)

172 Have to hand it to them, though...neither one of them lost his rifle.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 23, 2014 10:53 PM (6fyGz)

173 Wool stays warm when it gets wet.

Posted by: BadgerinKC at November 23, 2014 10:53 PM (rqtUh)

174 I can't live without my steel toe shoes.

Posted by: Secretariat of State Kerry at November 23, 2014 10:54 PM (H/9vm)

175
Teh Horde has some really bizarre folks, but I think this takes the cake.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 23, 2014 10:42 PM (8v9fw)

I hope so! I once got Spurwing Plover to respond to a comment I made. I speak his lingo.

Posted by: stace at November 23, 2014 10:54 PM (ImzkZ)

176 DC in RC, I can't say yet. I don't know, is what I mean, but what county is that place in? We've got to make a decision on a site soon, but haven't yet. Lot of local zoning stuff has to be re-done as it's a brand new industry in the State. We might not have much choice.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 23, 2014 10:54 PM (2cS/G)

177 @ 145 [tsrblke] -- Yikes. Maybe it would be easier to get forgiveness than permission?

Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at November 23, 2014 10:55 PM (18q33)

178

112 Lincolntf

It sounds like the consultant is a compliance expert of some form, and the new-ish industry, medical cannabis cultivation, has a lot of regulatory hoops to jump through ... and to continuously monitor, at the risk of losing one's business (and money).

On one hand, if you're an expert, you probably need do not a lot of expert assistance ...

OTOH, "my feeling" is that he should have some sort of "package deal" more-or-less ready to go ... a lot of boiler-plate language, arranged and modified as necessary for any particulars of your company. The boiler-plate language is worth a lot of money, as it took some effort to generate, but he can and likely will "sell" it to others; you should not have to pay for the complete effort.

I figure you pay a fee for the boiler-plate language, a fee for analyzing your situation, a fee for making the boiler-plate fit your needs, a fee for catching other loose ends, and maybe some more money for additional consulting.

My lawyer wanted $2500.00 to do an incorporation here in California ... I did it for $300, including gas to Sacramento. But My incorporation was straightforward.

$5,000.00 strikes me as more than enough money to get the analysis done and boiler-plate language arranged, but this is a very wild guess.

Posted by: Arbalest at November 23, 2014 10:55 PM (FlRtG)

179 I've never owned wool socks. Am I missing out on something here?

Posted by: Countrysquire at November 23, 2014 10:51 PM (8FyP4)


Yes. Get yourself some quality pairs for the next time you have to be out in the cold. IMO they're not just warm, they're more comfortable than cotton.

Posted by: Country Singer at November 23, 2014 10:56 PM (nL0sw)

180 Interesting they came up. Listened to their most recent earnings call. They are doing well, it sounded like.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 23, 2014 10:49 PM (Vh4i6)


Yeah, we're doing OK. Running flat out trying to keep up with the demand of the new bulbs (sold at Home Depot!), I don't think even the most optimistic of our prognosticators expected the demand.

lincolntf, that's a hell of a commute. How long before you move to Occupied Virginia?

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 23, 2014 10:56 PM (6fyGz)

181 Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 23, 2014 10:10 PM (weV3+) ---- Sum Ting Wong?

Posted by: Baldy at November 23, 2014 10:56 PM (+35FH)

182 One of our guys is big into the Vape thing. But the
marketing/image/reality kind of bumps up against recreational use, and
we're trying, by necessity, to emphasize the medical.

Ask him about making coils. They all buy Chinese shit.

Posted by: dartist at November 23, 2014 10:56 PM (ahBY0)

183 132 Mythbusters did a pretty convincing bit a few years back that I the event of any kind of crushing injury, you were much better off with steel toes.
Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at November 23, 2014 10:43 PM (R+XDI)


Once I was moving a dumpster with a couple of other guys. It dropped on the tip of my shoe, and I asked them to pick it up. One said, "Why aren't you screaming?" I replied, "I saw it coming down and scrunched up my toes."

Missed it by *that* much. I wasn't wearing steel toed boots.

Posted by: rickl at November 23, 2014 10:57 PM (sdi6R)

184 173 Wool stays warm when it gets wet.
Posted by: BadgerinKC

__________________________________________

I like things that are warm and get wet.

Posted by: Countrysquire at November 23, 2014 10:57 PM (8FyP4)

185 Darn it. I forgot to listen to my Art Bell rerun last night.

Posted by: Baldy at November 23, 2014 10:57 PM (+35FH)

186 As a kid, my dad HATED jarheads. He threatened disownment if any of his kids became Marines.

Now that my dad has a grandson now, courtesy of my sis and her former Marine hubby, my dad has mellowed somewhat.

Now my dad believes that his son-in-law is the only decent Marine he's met.

Parents.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at November 23, 2014 10:57 PM (OsWis)

187 Thanks, Arbalest.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 23, 2014 10:57 PM (2cS/G)

188 Lincoln, the place is in Towson, Baltimore County. 20 minute drive to downtown B-more, 45 minutes to DC. Unless there is traffic...and there's always traffic.

Posted by: DC in River City at November 23, 2014 10:58 PM (e+1S5)

189 I've never owned wool socks. Am I missing out on something here?



Posted by: Countrysquire at November 23, 2014 10:51 PM (8FyP4)


In the cold and wet you'd be better off naked than in cotton. Wool will wick away the moisture, plus they are warm even when wet.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 23, 2014 10:58 PM (6fyGz)

190 DDR, if you do a lot of fiber cutting get yourself a cheap pair of ceramic snips. Use them to cut the kevlar strength members around the fiber itself (the stranded fiber looking crap around the fiber strands themselves) that shit wears knives and regular blades out fast.

That way you will lose more knives than you flat wear out to where they will not sharpen. Been doing this fiber stuff for the last 20+ years and I wore out a bunch before I figured out that trick.

Posted by: Old Dog at November 23, 2014 10:58 PM (tQYJH)

191 My everyday carry is a 3.75" Boker automatic black on black. It's best to hang on when you push the button. And when it's cold I wear socks. And sometimes I even wear a long-sleeved shirt. It's not cold yet.

Posted by: dr kill at November 23, 2014 10:58 PM (jRgO6)

192 Anyone live near Warren, Ohio?
Did it turn into a ghetto?

Posted by: policiadearmadajose at November 23, 2014 10:59 PM (wRr5I)

193 Hold it..., do they let swabbys handle guns? Do the Marines know about this?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 23, 2014 10:52 PM (l1zOH)


Heck no, that's why we HAVE Marines. Well, that and sheep would be too obvious.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 23, 2014 10:59 PM (6fyGz)

194 heh

Posted by: SMFH at it all at November 23, 2014 11:00 PM (OsWis)

195
Anyone remember the Mickey Mouse Arctic boots the Army issued?

They were the warmest things I ever put on my feet.

Only problem was if your feet were prone to sweat they were bad.

Posted by: irongrampa at November 23, 2014 11:00 PM (jeCnD)

196 I'm allergic to wool. Not horribly, but enough that I can tell by picking up socks or gloves if they've got real wool in them. I brought cotton socks to basic training with me and kept them in my laundry bag, and just slept without touching the wool blankets... which wasn't any harder than sleeping without pulling out the corners, so...

I can tolerate wool that isn't from sheep pretty well, so a blend with angora or an alpaca wool will do.

Posted by: Synova at November 23, 2014 11:00 PM (Ek0Xs)

197 >>>I like things that are warm and get wet.

*singing*

Pink is my favorite color...

Posted by: DC in River City at November 23, 2014 11:00 PM (e+1S5)

198 I enjoyed reading this post, no kidding.
I own lots of Carhartt clothing, it stands up great to the Spud State climate.
I'll have to get some of that hand cream.

Posted by: Retired Geezer at November 23, 2014 11:01 PM (99T/e)

199 Thanks, DC in RC. If that turns out to be a good spot, I may get back to you. I appreciate the thought, either way.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 23, 2014 11:01 PM (2cS/G)

200 168. My shins were devastated from the 03 level
I worked in flight deck lighting but was a member of the at sea fire team
Learned to fly through the knee knockers after a couple years though

Posted by: policiadearmadajose at November 23, 2014 11:01 PM (wRr5I)

201 Gunners Mates *glaring* sideways at Mike Hammer .

Posted by: awkward davies at November 23, 2014 11:02 PM (Z+Mqb)

202 Reminds me of an alert I saw once, the lead Marine didn't jump up over the kneeknocker high enough and ended up on his face with the next four in line stomping all over him on their way down the passageway, then the last guy jumped too high and hit his (fortunately helmeted) head on the top of the kneeknocker and went flat on his back...right on top of the first guy.

Damn, that's clumsy.

Posted by: Imperial Stormtrooper Alex at November 23, 2014 11:02 PM (10ydV)

203 I spend money on good outer wear. The other stuff comes from Goodwill and Salvation Army. I make a run to both about every 2 weeks. I buy all the backpacks and fleece, also tents and camp stuff. This is barter goods in my opinion. My tools are a different matter. Only the very best will do.

Posted by: Erowmero at November 23, 2014 11:03 PM (go5uR)

204 I'm a soft indoor office worker so take this with a grain of salt. I love my Underarmor 2.0 base layer, it'd just warm as hell. I've seen some folks say that generic versions work as well as the UA; I've never tried them so I don't know. I do know the UA's work.

I also echo what the Smartwool advocates above say. I tend to overdo things so I bought the expedition weight socks for snowboarding. My toes never felt the slightest chill.

The O'keeffs stuff is a miracle. In the winter I tend to get little cracks on my hands next to the nails. A heavy layer of salve before going to bed and they're usually closed up the next day. I love the stuff.

Posted by: J. Random Dude at November 23, 2014 11:03 PM (8OfdL)

205 181 Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 23, 2014 10:10 PM (weV3+) ---- Sum Ting Wong?
Posted by: Baldy

Power went off unexpectedly. We have a long, isolated line back here so it will be a while. Probably some tree gave up the ghost.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 23, 2014 11:03 PM (weV3+)

206 162 I've never owned wool socks. Am I missing out on something here?
Posted by: Countrysquire at November 23, 2014 10:51 PM (8FyP4)


Yes. They are essential for cold weather.

If you live in a place where it doesn't get really cold, then you don't have to worry about them.

Pro tip: You have to hang them up to dry. Don't put them in the dryer; they will shrink.

Posted by: rickl at November 23, 2014 11:03 PM (sdi6R)

207 @ 190 [Old Dog] -- Thanks for the tip! I'll get some of those ASAP.

Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at November 23, 2014 11:03 PM (18q33)

208 >>>Heck no, that's why we HAVE Marines.

All of this.

>>>Well, that and sheep would be too obvious.

All of the fuck you. All of it.

Posted by: DC in River City at November 23, 2014 11:03 PM (e+1S5)

209
I've never owned wool socks. Am I missing out on something here?

Posted by: Countrysquire at November 23, 2014 10:51 PM (8FyP4)

Yes. Get yourself some quality pairs for the next time you have to be out in the cold. IMO they're not just warm, they're more comfortable than cotton.

Posted by: Country Singer at November 23, 2014 10:56 PM (nL0sw)







Lots of folks wave off on wool because of the itchiness of old-school wool. But merino wool is a different animal entirely. Merino isn't scratchy or itchy at all. Hell, you can even get merino t-shirts.

Plus, in my experience the merino stuff is extremely wear-resistant. I've had Smartwool merino socks that lasted for 7-8 years, wearing them daily in rotation. Even the best cotton socks only last about a year or two before falling apart.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 23, 2014 11:03 PM (8v9fw)

210 I used to work at an egg ranch. Changing out the houses to get ready for Christmas and Easter was always fun. And I've worked in orchards and done some other out of doors physical labor. If you can get them, those wool military pants are nice, as are pea coats. I knit and spin so I've always had wool socks and sweaters. When I was in Spokane, I wound up with a military parka. That's a good outer piece.

Now I live in the flatlands and it's just wet all the time.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 23, 2014 11:04 PM (Lqy/e)

211
Damn, that's clumsy.

Posted by: Imperial Stormtrooper Alex at November 23, 2014 11:02 PM (10ydV)



One of the funnier things I saw on the Fid. I wonder where George is now. (George was the ghost that lived in Forrestal's freezers).

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 23, 2014 11:04 PM (6fyGz)

212 Those sound like good choices, DDR. If you add a warmer hat, the outfit sounds good down to seven below for farm chores here in Minnesnowtah.
For truly grim conditions may I recommend some surplus Mickey Mouse boots, the white ones. You'd also need mittens over your gloves. I also like a baffled (as distinct from quilted) insulated parka. Unfortunately, if you find the latter two items at a price not meant for the fag straphangers on Everest, the outer layer of fabric will likely be wrong for the workingman. For mittens, you can make your own, almost anyone can. For over the parka, find an anorak pattern online and get the local seamstress to sew one up for you out of coated nylon oxford, or a lighter cordura.

Posted by: fBW52 at November 23, 2014 11:04 PM (fBW52)

213 There's a product called Wool Wax Cream. Lots of lanolin in it. I put it on my feet and hands when they start cracking or the skin starts getting real sore.

Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at November 23, 2014 11:05 PM (Rt+dc)

214 133 GGE ,, what's the longevity like on those Cree bulbs ?

I replaced my most often used bulbs when the CREE 60s came out a couple of years ago. When one of my old CFLS died I was annoyed because I had almost forgotten how to change them.

Posted by: Tmitsss at November 23, 2014 11:05 PM (Pa9vP)

215 GGE @ 193 - you reminded me of an old joke.
The most dangerous thing in the world is a Marine with a rifle.
The second most dangerous thing in the world is a sailor with a rifle, but for completely different reasons.

Posted by: Butch at November 23, 2014 11:05 PM (HLx1C)

216 I hear Ewok fur is pretty good winter wear except for the smell when it gets wet.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 23, 2014 11:05 PM (vHjbk)

217 211. I've had to do work in the reefers during duty days
Creepy as hell

Posted by: policiadearmadajose at November 23, 2014 11:06 PM (wRr5I)

218 OK haberdashers, it's bedtime for Bonzo.

Y'all have fun and try not to trash the place, 'k?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire at November 23, 2014 11:07 PM (0HooB)

219 All of the fuck you. All of it.



Posted by: DC in River City at November 23, 2014 11:03 PM (e+1S5)


Nutt'n but luv for ya mah jarhead brothah...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 23, 2014 11:07 PM (6fyGz)

220 Anyone remember the Mickey Mouse Arctic boots the Army issued?

I hated those damn things because my feet were always wet. Fuck, my feet were always wet. So because Army feet are probably wetter than Navy feet on average, its kinda fucked up too.

Posted by: dartist at November 23, 2014 11:08 PM (ahBY0)

221 Careful what you ask for, Jinx.
Get me out on that beautiful piece of property and you might have a hard time getting rid of me!

And - your feed isn't buried?

Posted by: shredded chi at November 23, 2014 11:08 PM (Z+1b9)

222 First minute, Marines running in response to the Zero pilot killing two Marines. From The Final Countdown. Amazing how fast he found the safety on the M-16.

http://youtu.be/QOZeEH_NKZU

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 23, 2014 11:08 PM (41ijT)

223 "215
GGE @ 193 - you reminded me of an old joke.

The most dangerous thing in the world is a Marine with a rifle."

Wrong!
The most dangerous thing in the world is a 2nd LT with a map...

Posted by: ChrisP at November 23, 2014 11:09 PM (fG9rI)

224 I love that movie...lost count how many times I've watched it.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at November 23, 2014 11:10 PM (OsWis)

225 128 Party's not at my place, that's half my concern. The business will be 250 miles away, in Maryland. We've been scouting out "flop apartments" for me and a buddy to stay in when we start the build out, etc. Gonna be lots of pizza and ramen, I'm guessing.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 23, 2014 10:43 PM (2cS/G)


What part? If it's Baltimore, you can crash here for a day or two whilst scouting, plus I can probably guide you on which neighborhoods to pursue and which to avoid.

Posted by: weirddave at November 23, 2014 11:10 PM (9422s)

226 I'm racking out too .
See ya'll later .

Posted by: awkward davies at November 23, 2014 11:10 PM (Z+Mqb)

227 Creepy as hell

Posted by: policiadearmadajose at November 23, 2014 11:06 PM (wRr5I)


I've heard some stories from some of the guys who worked in the (aft?) reefers, don't know how much of it was bullshit but they were pretty good stories.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 23, 2014 11:10 PM (6fyGz)

228
Anyone remember the Mickey Mouse Arctic boots the Army issued?

They were the warmest things I ever put on my feet.

Only problem was if your feet were prone to sweat they were bad.

Posted by: irongrampa at November 23, 2014 11:00 PM (jeCnD)







Those vapor barrier boots are the shit for extreme cold weather. Rated down to -60 deg F. I've been out in the woods in AK with them at -78 deg F, with nothing but GI green wool socks. No problem, but yeah, you have to keep changing socks. It's easy to get immersion foot with VBs.

Also, they're kind of squirmy on the feet, because of how they're built. In a way, you have to re-learn how to walk with them.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 23, 2014 11:11 PM (8v9fw)

229 If energy costs get too expensive, we will be wearing layers of clothing indoors.

You're not? October is when I start. Don't have any of that Obama crazy cash.

Posted by: t-bird at November 23, 2014 11:11 PM (FcR7P)

230 The most fun on the FID
A red diamond alert and the fire bells at the same time in the same area
Stand back and watch the collisions

Second most fun...medical just waxing their pway and a red diamond alert going off

Posted by: policiadearmadajose at November 23, 2014 11:11 PM (wRr5I)

231 Thanks, WD, we're still in flux on location, but I'll take you up on your offer, or at least buy you a beer, if we end up in that area.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 23, 2014 11:12 PM (2cS/G)

232 Another vote for wool socks - the kiwi merino smartwool ones are best because they don't itch as much. Seriously, do this ...
For boots I'm partial to the old school waterproof timberlands, although I don't think their quality is what it used to be ... They will literally keep your feet dry standing in a stream ...

Posted by: Joe at November 23, 2014 11:12 PM (iwdV3)

233
GGE @ 193 - you reminded me of an old joke.

The most dangerous thing in the world is a Marine with a rifle."

Wrong!
The most dangerous thing in the world is a 2nd LT with a map...

Posted by: ChrisP at November 23, 2014 11:09 PM (fG9rI)







And a compass.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 23, 2014 11:12 PM (8v9fw)

234 Don't forget the neoprene face mask! Wear it under the balaklava, and those under the hood of the parka.
Frostbite can wreck your camping trip.

Posted by: fBW52 at November 23, 2014 11:12 PM (fBW52)

235 I'm racking out too .

See ya'll later .

Posted by: awkward davies at November 23, 2014 11:10 PM (Z+Mqb)


See you tomorrow!

And with that, I must be going. Long day tomorrow, departing the Refuge at zero seven on a southerly heading, final destination Jacksonville Florida.
Later roonz and roonettez, fear no evil!

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 23, 2014 11:13 PM (6fyGz)

236 Time for the old folk. Gotta finish the Christmas lights tomorrow now the rain let up.


Goodnite, good people. Stay safe.

Posted by: irongrampa at November 23, 2014 11:13 PM (jeCnD)

237 Safe and fun trip GGE, just don't try to fly the Mustang like an F-14A.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 23, 2014 11:13 PM (41ijT)

238 Could have used most of that shit changing the wife's blown out tire in the pouring rain on the interstate while kneeling in the newly added gravel bank that was the consistency of quicksand after having drank most of a bottle of wine.
Drank another half a bottle afterwards as a reward.
Posted by: H badger at November 23, 2014 10:08 PM

Good job, I hate when that happens. We've been lucky not lately.

My last emergency was a big fricking bat in the house. It was after midnight and me chasing it around was pretty funny after drinking some wine.

I did try to chase it out of the house, to be compassionate. No cooperation, had to finally kill the booger.

I love nature, just not in my house, TY.

Posted by: Farmer at November 23, 2014 11:13 PM (o/90i)

239 Nope Chi, line is up in the air, and even crosses a minor river. Only 4 houses on this branch, but I was the first. Varmints got their service for free. I remember the telephone line was over a thousand bucks to put in back in '84.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 23, 2014 11:14 PM (weV3+)

240 227. If was the aft veggie reefer where they put the bodies
Once you learn that fact you here creaks and groans

Posted by: policiadearmadajose at November 23, 2014 11:14 PM (wRr5I)

241 my experience with cold weather work was in the high Canadian arctic. At 50 below ... steel toes are a bad thing. If mandatory (govt regs) we oversized the boots so we could cardboard the toe and wear double wool socks.
In Michigan, working on my farm in the winter, Wall one piece coveralls over jeans and insulated shirt over ski underwear was much more comfortable than the bulk in the arctic.
Always have a swiss army knife in my pocket but always have a SOG or Leatherman in a belt sheath for real knife work.
Moved from wool socks to boot socks, heavy ones in cold weather. Used to be called railroad socks.

Posted by: WingNut at November 23, 2014 11:14 PM (1056T)

242 Gotta say that I LOVE Smartwool, and so do my feet. I have very sensitive skin and had never tolerated wool before, but I can wear Smartwool.

I've even expanded my Smartwool collection to long underwear, scarves, and hats.

Posted by: Mindy at November 23, 2014 11:15 PM (vDQz+)

243 I definitely recommend Dickies pants/ shorts (obviously not in the winter for the shorts.)

My husband worked for UPS when we were first married and he burned through regular pants every month with the damn boxes tearing holes on the thighs. It was ridiculous.

I finally bought him some Dickies and those lasted about three months before needing to be replaced.

Progress!

Posted by: Lauren Hulk at November 23, 2014 11:15 PM (BPMYx)

244 Night irongrampa...keep those toes warm and dry.

Posted by: dartist at November 23, 2014 11:15 PM (ahBY0)

245 >>>Wrong! The most dangerous thing in the world is a 2nd LT with a map...

This right here is....accurate. I killed land nav, but most of my platoon would be lucky to find their ass in the dark, let alone a chem light 10K distant.

On the bright side, there's a reason god invented Gunnery Sergeants.

Posted by: DC in River City at November 23, 2014 11:15 PM (e+1S5)

246 Yeah, it is way past my bedtime, gotta go. Thanks for allowing me to babble about the stuff that would have been running through my head while I tried to fall asleep otherwise. Next stop, the "kick off call", and may God have mercy on my soul.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 23, 2014 11:16 PM (2cS/G)

247 Camping with some friends, one guy was pulling on some SmartWool socks and someone else asked, "Yeah? Well if they're so smart, how come they ended up as socks?"

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 23, 2014 11:17 PM (l1zOH)

248 I wear wool socks every day of the year. In ETEX or wherever I am. Unless I'm wearing flipflops (doucheboots, for you 60's Navy).

Posted by: Erowmero at November 23, 2014 11:17 PM (go5uR)

249 Well, the battery in the laptop is just about a goner. See you fine folks another time.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at November 23, 2014 11:17 PM (weV3+)

250 If you can't handle wool for some reason, see if you can find alpaca or angora blends. Silk is an insulator too. Warmest wool out there is Icelandic. They're dual coated and they don't pamper their sheep. It's too coarse for next to the skin, unless you take out the long outer coat. I'm making a hat for my boyfriend out of buffalo down. Will be interesting to see how warm that is.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 23, 2014 11:17 PM (Lqy/e)

251 By the way, I often find good deals on Smartwool at sierratradingpost.com.

Posted by: Mindy at November 23, 2014 11:18 PM (vDQz+)

252 My husband worked for UPS when we were first married and he burned through regular pants every month with the damn boxes tearing holes on the thighs. It was ridiculous.

I finally bought him some Dickies and those lasted about three months before needing to be replaced.

Progress!
Posted by: Lauren
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They're pretty tough, and never..., ever, need ironing. I've got a couple of pairs that must be 10 years old, they are finally fraying at the bottom of the cuff.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 23, 2014 11:19 PM (l1zOH)

253 Night Jinx

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 23, 2014 11:20 PM (l1zOH)

254 #247

Did anyone explain to him about sheep, shearing, and all that?

Posted by: Epobirs at November 23, 2014 11:21 PM (IdCqF)

255 From years as a member of the Nude Polar Bear Club I've built up a pretty good tolerance to the cold.

Posted by: Joke Biden at November 23, 2014 11:22 PM (H/9vm)

256 Night, Jinxy.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 23, 2014 11:22 PM (VXV0F)

257 I'm wearing Carhartt pants and a Carhartt long sleeved tee shirt right now. Best clothes out there.
Posted by: Lincolntf at November 23, 2014 10:10 PM

When I was farming they where the best. Just done w/ that a few years ago and I still need them in the worst N IL weather here, they really rock. Carhartt coveralls will protect you at -20.

Posted by: Farmer at November 23, 2014 11:22 PM (o/90i)

258 Epobirs. I did comment that it seemed a good alternative to lamb chops.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 23, 2014 11:22 PM (l1zOH)

259 Little and I worked outside today splitting firewood. We didn't need heavy clothing, it was 50 today. I cut up a couple trees that came down in a derecho last year and the logs have been seasoning since. I hauled them to the hydrolic splitter and he ran the machine. Kind of an unfair division of labor, but WTH, he's ten.

We were working our way through some red oak, I love the way it splits-*CRACK!*,clean as a whistle, burns great too. I held up a piece and told him "Look at that. Beautiful red oak, perfect for burning". We moved on to the maple and I wasn't as happy, the logs had grown mushrooms and had a big punky layer. It'll still burn, but that I reserve for the fire pit. Finally we moved on to the last few logs, and they were splitting well again. Little said "Look at that, perfect split. Great for the fire." We were splitting some kind of garbage scrub pine or something, what's wrong with that boy? I can't believe he's such an idiot.*











*So not serious. I think it's cute how he's emulating me, it was a great daddy/Little day. It seems that I do need to teach him about different kinds of firewood though.

Posted by: weirddave at November 23, 2014 11:24 PM (9422s)

260 Have we started a pool on Announcement Day for Ferguson?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 23, 2014 11:24 PM (l1zOH)

261 Have you been to the outlet in Cheyenne, Mindy? Love that place ...

Posted by: Joe at November 23, 2014 11:25 PM (iwdV3)

262 Bomb threat suspect arrested at Fort Sam Houston. See the sock link.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 23, 2014 11:25 PM (vHjbk)

263 187 Lincolntf

YW.

Two other things:

I've been connected to a few consultants. Five are memorable: a "marketing" guy, who wanted $80.00/hr, 3 independent reps, and a marketing consultant, who drove a Rolls Royce.

The marketing fool went wrong within the first 20 seconds ... he wanted to establish "code words" (requiring our personal action), teach me relaxation breathing techniques, and completely re-do our branding, logos, etc., with stuff that was ... esoteric(?). I walked out on him after about 10 minutes. I chose not to bleed to death.

The first independent rep really wanted us to manufacture off-shore. He gets an extra cut? No. Further, he didn't really see a market.

The second independent rep ... "if you have an *in* at XXXXX, I have an 80% closing rate ..." He wanted our contacts. No. If we have an *in*, why do we need him?

The third marketing guy said he'd keep us in mind, and contact me if he had a sale. Reasonable. I've never heard from him.

The marketing consultant, with the Rolls, was, it turned out, a severely heavy-duty guy. We had lunch (in Alviso, CA ... the waiter was stunned, and said so). We talked, he thought ... He said that he saw market potential, that things would be tough (very, it turns out) but that it was not his area.

My point is that you need to exercise care with "consultants". YOU control YOUR money, not them.
Watch your expenditures. If you feel like you're bleeding to death, reassess your situation. How far away is the finish line?

Second, for your part, map out ALL the things that must be done. Do this with your consultant

I neglected (yes, mostly my fault) to get my publisher to explain to me ALL of the steps needed to publish a book, AND to explain how he did his formatting and what importing new text would cost.

It turns out that professional proofreading, by a professional proofreader, is always needed. I thought I had caught everything, but my personal punctuation preference is not standard and there were a few things I missed ... and my publisher had initial doubts, but said nothing. Re-importing the proofread results into his software was bleedingly expensive.

There. I think I have given all the useful advice I have.

Posted by: Arbalest at November 23, 2014 11:26 PM (FlRtG)

264 Obama sticks his dick in race relations where it's not wanted... again.

And there are a lot of communities in my hometown of Chicago, for example, who actually want to see more police in, but they want to make sure that the police are trained so they can distinguish between a gang-banger and a kid who just happens to be wearing a hoodie, but otherwise is a good kid and not doing anything wrong.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 23, 2014 11:27 PM (vHjbk)

265 So how come Ft. Sam Houston lacks the anti-vehicle bolsters and squiggly lanes?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 23, 2014 11:28 PM (41ijT)

266 If you are getting involved with medical maryjane, do you ever worry that you will be ID'd to the feds who can then come in at will and toss your place for firearms and impound them, and with "sale and distribution of a controlled substance" record, even if allowed under state law, you would be barred from purchasing firearms forever?

Remember, King Barack Hussein Obama I, First of His Name, Lord of the 50 Kingdoms, Warden of the West, Ruler of the Mississippi, the Missouri, and the Ohio, Purveyor of all that he sees (and then some), Protector of the Democrat Realm, and Keeper of the Ideological Faith does not like private ownership of firearms, and likes to screw people over.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 23, 2014 11:29 PM (t//F+)

267 Evening horde.

Posted by: RWC aka Bed Pan Cleaner of 2013 at November 23, 2014 11:30 PM (xbWRx)

268 *So not serious. I think it's cute how he's emulating me, it was a great daddy/Little day. It seems that I do need to teach him about different kinds of firewood though.
Posted by: weirddave at November 23, 2014 11:24 PM

I think you're doing a fine job there.

Posted by: Farmer at November 23, 2014 11:30 PM (o/90i)

269 Bailing here to watch "Mivtsah Yonatan" (1977), aka "Operation Thunderbolt". The Hebrew version is named for the op's only kia, its tactical commander Yonatan Netanyahu (the brother of Israel's current P.M.)

Posted by: fBW52 at November 23, 2014 11:33 PM (fBW52)

270 260 Have we started a pool on Announcement Day for Ferguson?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 23, 2014 11:24 PM (l1zOH)

I think the Day Of Justice and Peace will start off at 7pm EST.

Posted by: RWC aka Bed Pan Cleaner of 2013 at November 23, 2014 11:33 PM (xbWRx)

271 A few suggestions, if I may. Having spent much of the last 35 years working outside in NW Ohio where temps range from 100*F in summer to -20*F last winter (OK, so I didn't work that week), this stuff is old hat to me. First, get polypropylene underwear, tops and bottoms, several sets, so you always have a clean set to start the day. I begin wearing mine when it's in the 40s, but I have nothing to prove anymore by being a "hardy bastard"; I'm 56 and have frozen my fingers and toes enough times that I'm a lot more sensitive to cold than I once was.

Next, throw away your cotton socks. Good wool socks are the key to happiness. Cotton socks hold moisture, they "ruck" (wrinkle) and cause blisters, and offer no warmth whatsoever. Smartwool brand socks last for years; Cabela's, Wigwam, and others have similar smooth-toe, smooth-exterior / terry-type loop interior of mostly Merino (itchless) wool, with acrylic or polypro for wear and lycra or nylon to keep them up on your legs. You'll spend $10-20/pr for good socks, and like warm boots, they're worth ten times that when your feet are warm.

As to boots, if you're stuck on wearing work boots, buy a pair of 4-buckle ankle-high galoshes (heavy ones such as Servus Northerners) or the yellow ones the linemen wear if you can find a source. I don't know why they work, but these over a pair of good boots are much warmer than they oughta be, and can be left at the door when you go inside. I wear leather top / rubber bottom pac boots if I'm standing still in snow and slush; not simple Bean boots, but the ones with wool felt or thinsulate/foil/felt removable booties (buy spares so you always have a dry pair). The best pacs are made by Hoffman (in Idaho, IIRC), White's (Spokane), or Kenetrek; Hoffman seemed to have better prices. In the east Sorels are big (buying a pair was part of going native when I was in college in Vermont in the 70s), and Lacrosse is big in the midwest (I have a pair of Buckmasters, long discontinued). The trick with any winter boot is to not buy too small; I now wear size 14 in boots (wore 12s in my 20s, 13s thru my 40s, and realized the inch of height I've lost since 50 went to my feet), and my winter boots are akin to clown shoes, but this clown has warm feet...

Buy your coveralls and outerwear to match the dirt unless you're trying to prove to the boss how hard you're working by the amount of mud you're wearing home. The tan Carhartts don't look nearly as dirty as fast. The red-lined midweight overalls are plenty; the black-lined arctic ones are often too warm, esp if you wear polypro under your jeans. They make a jacket, the "Sierra", which is a dark reddish tan outside, heavy polypro fleece inside, quilted inside the sleeves, with beaucoup pockets, bi-swing (pleated) shoulders and big armholes for ease of movement, which might be the best work jacket ever. It sported an attached hood, which a seamstress friend removed and refashioned into a collar which can be flipped up; having nearly hung myself on the job by my hood years ago, I don't like hoods. I wear a heavy felt cowboy hat often, and if I need a hood that badly, I'm not going to work that day.

One of the great inventions is the neck gaiter; I just cut 8" sections of the sleeves from some old polarfleece jacket. Less dorky than a dickie, they're much safer than a scarf and work great. Regulating one's neck temp is a great way to keep from overheating, and if the wind is blowing down your neck, all the goosedown and Carhartts in town won't help you...

On your head, as on your feet: wool is king. Period. It's warm even when wet, wicks away moisture, and isn't flammable.

I'm still looking for the ultimate work glove, and have been pricing electric glove liners ($$$) so I can wear my elkhide work gloves. I have nerve damage in my neck (from hard work and, ahem, an active lifestyle) which has rendered my hands extremely sensitive to cold. I also have fairly big hands, and most gloves labeled XL still cut off the circulation to my fingers; what the ham-handed cornfed farm boys down the road do for gloves is a mystery to me. I have some Cabela's thinsulate/goretex/cordura shell x deerskin palm duck-hunting gloves that are still the warmest ones I have; the pre-curved fingers are key, and they're roomy enough to keep a bit of airspace around the fingers. Picking up single nails or other fine-motor-skill motions is slow-to-impossible in them, but that's the case anyhow until spring...

If you can, grow a beard. Even a well-trimmed beard is worth about 30*F in terms of what one can bear, especially in the wind. 'Ettes, you're on your own here...

Last, eat well and stay hydrated. This is no time for prissy little meals like TFG eats; the old eggs-bacon-grits-toast or oatmeal with raisins and brown sugar and butter will generate heat for hours; soup, stew, etc. at lunch is a given. Fast-burn carbs for now, slow-burn carbs for later, fats and protein are all necessary to stay warm, IMHO. If you disagree, write your own damned article and don't come whining to me when you're cold 'cause tofu and bean sprouts won't keep you warm enough. I do drink a lot of coffee, and since caffeine is a vasoconstrictor it does my hands and feet no good; then again, all of me is worthless without coffee, so we'll just deal with it. Hot lemonade is great for the thermos, and a dash of ginger powder makes it more so; hot cocoa is great too, though a quart of it throughout the day seems like a lot...

Sorry if this appears to be the "War and Peace" of outerwear and winter warmth, but this is expertise worth sharing, especially here. Stay warm, morons and 'ettes.

Posted by: Cowboyneal at November 23, 2014 11:33 PM (r9aoG)

272 But does just and peace mean the first fire or the first smash and grab?

Posted by: RWC aka Bed Pan Cleaner of 2013 at November 23, 2014 11:35 PM (xbWRx)

273 32 Hey everybody.

For anyone who hasn't already, please drop everything you're doing right now and start following @TMZ_Politics at Twitter. I don't know what's gotten into Harvey Levin, but apparently he's hired a *very* conservative-friendly individual to man the helm there, and he and/or she is kickin' ass and takin' names in the classic sense of the term.

And no, I'm *not* a paid endorser. Just a friendly tip. :-)

--------------

From the Twitter account:

TMZ Politics
@TMZ_Politics
Reality TV & Talk Show drop-out. Political Operative flunkee. Reporting the untruth from the right side of the world. Not with TMZ. They pay for a lede from me.

I don't quite know what to make of that business relationship.

Posted by: Oschisms at November 23, 2014 11:35 PM (uqV2n)

274 So not serious. I think it's cute how he's emulating me, it was a great daddy/Little day. It seems that I do need to teach him about different kinds of firewood though.
Posted by: weirddave at November 23, 2014 11:24 PM
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Just for the record, I stopped by to do the vacuuming, and no one answered the front door.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 23, 2014 11:35 PM (l1zOH)

275 I really hate iOS 8.

Posted by: RWC aka Bed Pan Cleaner of 2013 at November 23, 2014 11:35 PM (xbWRx)

276 Not disparaging, I'm just not sure what it means.

Posted by: Oschisms at November 23, 2014 11:36 PM (uqV2n)

277 We will be ready for the announcement

Posted by: Roof Koreans at November 23, 2014 11:36 PM (jucos)

278 And there are a lot of communities in my hometown of Chicago, for example, who actually want to see more police

I've seen "activists" on TV state that these communities are "over-policed".

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 23, 2014 11:37 PM (W5DcG)

279 The warmest boots I've ever had were Minnetonka sheepskin Ugg type boots. Barefoot in 4 degrees, those things are a nice experience. Can't work in them or walk in slop because the leather is delicate, but they sure are warm in dry cold weather.

Posted by: dartist at November 23, 2014 11:38 PM (ahBY0)

280 Bob Dylan "Waiting for You"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCPrS2nmQfs

I heard that song for the first time ever last night, and I absolutely love it. It was the highlight of the show for me.

It's not on any album, and it's not a new song, either. He performed it twice in 2005, then dropped it until October 2013, when it became a regular part of his show. The last time I saw him was in April 2013, which explains why I never heard it before.

The YouTube is a pretty good quality audience recording, but the visuals are dumb, distracting, and have nothing to do with the song.

Here are the lyrics:
http://www.metrolyrics.com/waiting-for-you-lyrics-bob-dylan.html

I recommend opening the YouTube and lyrics in separate windows, start the song, then drag the lyrics window over it and follow along. It's really a delightful song. I've probably listened to it a dozen times today.

Posted by: rickl at November 23, 2014 11:38 PM (sdi6R)

281 Notsothoreau, I was going to ask how you get down from a buffalo, but I realized that was a cinch. The hard part is how you get up on a buffalo in the first place.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 23, 2014 11:39 PM (t//F+)

282 *bows before Cowboyneal*

Also, you've answered the question I've always wanted to ask. Why do cowboys always wear tan coats? Growing up in rural colorado, this question plagued me as a child, but I didn't want to sound like a townie idiot.

Posted by: Lauren Hulk at November 23, 2014 11:39 PM (BPMYx)

283 How 'bout them Cowboys!!!

Posted by: a very relieved Dallas fan at November 23, 2014 11:39 PM (H/9vm)

284 Fucking Cowboys' line holding all game and never called on it. But the Giants suck anyway, so it's a wash .

Posted by: JoeF. at November 23, 2014 11:42 PM (8HGb7)

285 I forgot to mention that was Bob on piano in that song.

Posted by: rickl at November 23, 2014 11:42 PM (sdi6R)

286 Giant's offensive play calling was hideous.

Posted by: JoeF. at November 23, 2014 11:43 PM (8HGb7)

287 Obama sticks his dick in race relations where it's not wanted... again.
And there are a lot of communities in my hometown of Chicago, for example, who actually want to see more police in, but they want to make sure that the police are trained so they can distinguish between a gang-banger and a kid who just happens to be wearing a hoodie, but otherwise is a good kid and not doing anything wrong.
Posted by: andycanuck at November 23, 2014 11:27 PM

REALLY, this dickwad is our president?

And I'm not embarrassed that he's from IL. He and his ilk have no relation to the fine folks I know from here, he's an idiot from Hawaii and Indonesia.

Posted by: Farmer at November 23, 2014 11:43 PM (o/90i)

288 Can't stay, I'm just checking in, but I am loving all these newbs!

Stay de-lurked, damn it!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 23, 2014 11:43 PM (6P3Qb)

289 Posted by: a very relieved Dallas fan at November 23, 2014 11:39 PM (H/9vm)

You had one job!

Redskins!

Posted by: RWC aka Bed Pan Cleaner of 2013 at November 23, 2014 11:43 PM (xbWRx)

290 @ 271 [Cowboyneal] -- Lots of great information there! Thanks for all the pointers.

Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at November 23, 2014 11:44 PM (18q33)

291
How 'bout them Cowboys!!!

Pretty good game!

Posted by: Pecan Scandi at November 23, 2014 11:44 PM (QEqvj)

292 274
So not serious. I think it's cute how he's emulating me, it was a great
daddy/Little day. It seems that I do need to teach him about different
kinds of firewood though.

Posted by: weirddave at November 23, 2014 11:24 PM

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Just for the record, I stopped by to do the vacuuming, and no one answered the front door.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 23, 2014 11:35 PM (l1zOH)



*golf clap*




Well-played.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 23, 2014 11:44 PM (T1005)

293 >>>Giant's offensive play calling was hideous.<<<


Their OC is Jake, from State Farm.

Posted by: a very relieved Dallas fan at November 23, 2014 11:44 PM (H/9vm)

294 I buy mine on EBay . Looks like some of it is from the hides when they processed it for meat. Spinners tend to try anything and a lot of spinners get fiber that the animal rubbed off. I know folks that have spun wolf and mountain goat hair from gathered fiber.

I've had (and made) a set of fingerless mitts with a mitten top that could be flipped back. They aren't bad if you need to be able to do fine work.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 23, 2014 11:45 PM (Lqy/e)

295 I'm on the Kentucky/Tennessee border. It doesn't get cold and STAY cold here except in these weird polar drops.When the temperature drops, I go from the Redhead carpenter jeans from Bass Pro Shops (cheaper than Carhartt's and I hit the sales) to the flannel-lined canvas field pants.

Being a vet and working on an Army post, I use a lot of surplus cold weather gear. I use the hell out of the silkweight polypro long johns first fielded in 2003 with the ECWCS Gen III system. I get them at surplus stores. Yeah, usually used, but fuck it, wash them. Galaxy Army Navy and Bradley's Surplus up by Drum do well for mail ordering them if you're not near an Army base. A grid-fleece polypro top for a mid-layer under my Carhartt hoodie usually does fine.

Socks, I have sworn by Fox River Mills out of Iowa ever since Thor-Lo went to shit. They do mail orders.

Boots, Wolverine Dura-Shocks. Specifically the 6" Buccaneer. The safety toes work- I walked away from a bad accident with a steel target and am a fan.

Before I did this and was required to wear safety toes, I was a fan of my old black USGI jungle boots.


Posted by: SGT Dan's Cat at November 23, 2014 11:46 PM (wz4E+)

296
Stay de-lurked, damn it!

I try all the time but I got roughed up a little once cause of who I work for. So, I pick and choose. Been a Moron for 10 years.

Posted by: Pecan Scandi at November 23, 2014 11:46 PM (QEqvj)

297 Dylan's "Waiting for You" was used in that movie Divine Secret's of the Ya- Ya Sisterhood, a movie you couldn't pay me to see....It's on You Tube though.

Posted by: JoeF. at November 23, 2014 11:46 PM (8HGb7)

298 Moron for 10 years.
Posted by: Pecan Scandi
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And a damned fine cookie for probably 50 years..., oh, wait...

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 23, 2014 11:49 PM (l1zOH)

299 297 Dylan's "Waiting for You" was used in that movie Divine Secret's of the Ya- Ya Sisterhood, a movie you couldn't pay me to see....It's on You Tube though.
Posted by: JoeF. at November 23, 2014 11:46 PM (8HGb7)


Thanks for the info. I didn't see the movie either, but if there's a soundtrack album, I will be very tempted to buy it.

Posted by: rickl at November 23, 2014 11:50 PM (sdi6R)

300 299, you're in luck. It's selling on Amazon for about ONE CENT. And I'm not kidding....

Posted by: JoeF. at November 23, 2014 11:54 PM (8HGb7)

301 Fuck you IOS 8.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at November 23, 2014 11:54 PM (FGNtS)

302 Man, the price of CD's has really bottomed out....

Posted by: JoeF. at November 23, 2014 11:56 PM (8HGb7)

303 RAAF F-111C loses left main tyre on take-off. So has to belly land.
http://youtu.be/KIyYK9oz9Go

First minute I think many fireballs in the sky have now been explained. F-111 farts.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 23, 2014 11:56 PM (41ijT)

304 Cowboyneal

Nice, I couldn't disagree with a single thing you said. Make you comfy when it's chilly and save your life when it get's cold! Thanks

Posted by: dartist at November 23, 2014 11:58 PM (ahBY0)

305 Gotta an early call for work tomorrow...gotta keep them turbines spinning!! Stay warm and sleep well, Mo-ettes.

Posted by: Pecan Scandi at November 24, 2014 12:00 AM (QEqvj)

306 I worked on a job site once where a dude wore panty hose under his work pants.

To keep warm, he said.

Posted by: RokShox at November 24, 2014 12:02 AM (w101k)

307 306, it was a technique for the old-timers before UnderArmor and the like.

Posted by: SGT Dan's Cat at November 24, 2014 12:05 AM (wz4E+)

308 306
I worked on a job site once where a dude wore panty hose under his work pants.



To keep warm, he said.

Posted by: RokShox at November 24, 2014 12:02 AM (w101k)


If the work pants were neoprene, that would be totally believable -- it's an old trick from SCUBA, 'cause wetsuits are a pain to put on.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 24, 2014 12:06 AM (T1005)

309 FYI, I knit for hire. In case any of you ever want wool socks.

Posted by: Gingy in Canada where it's cold at November 24, 2014 12:07 AM (NYEU2)

310 306 I worked on a job site once where a dude wore panty hose under his work pants.

To keep warm, he said.

_______________

Eh, I trained for a marathon in the winter, running over the Queensboro bridge in the teens, using pantyhose as my innermost layer of tights.

The silk long johns feel far more girly against your skin, you ask me.

Posted by: Oschisms at November 24, 2014 12:10 AM (uqV2n)

311 309
FYI, I knit for hire. In case any of you ever want wool socks.

Posted by: Gingy in Canada where it's cold at November 24, 2014 12:07 AM (NYEU2)


How is everyone holding up?

And where do you come in on the incipient longbow/crossbow variant-flavors-of-real-and-imitation-wool discussion?

Posted by: cthulhu at November 24, 2014 12:10 AM (T1005)

312 Damn. Late to the party. Hope some beer is left.

Posted by: Taco Shack at November 24, 2014 12:12 AM (C+qQ0)

313 310
306 I worked on a job site once where a dude wore panty hose under his work pants.



To keep warm, he said.



_______________



Eh, I trained for a marathon in the winter, running over the
Queensboro bridge in the teens, using pantyhose as my innermost layer of
tights.



The silk long johns feel far more girly against your skin, you ask me.

Posted by: Oschisms at November 24, 2014 12:10 AM (uqV2n)


*blinks* I wouldn't mind feeling more girlies against my skin, but I try to retain some semblance of decorum.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 24, 2014 12:12 AM (T1005)

314 Damn. Late to the party. Hope some beer is left.
Posted by: Taco
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Yeah, some..., but seems to have a lanolin aftertaste.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2014 12:13 AM (vPh3W)

315 307 306, it was a technique for the old-timers before UnderArmor and the like.
Posted by: SGT Dan's Cat at November 24, 2014 12:05 AM (wz4E+)

*****

Very true.

It SOUNDS like BS, but it's true.

Posted by: Taco Shack at November 24, 2014 12:13 AM (C+qQ0)

316 WTF is imitation wool? Does it come from fleep or something? Proper, sheep-grown wool please.
We are ok. I am exhausted. The bereavement baking has begun.

Posted by: Gingy in Canada where it's cold at November 24, 2014 12:13 AM (NYEU2)

317 300 299, you're in luck. It's selling on Amazon for about ONE CENT. And I'm not kidding....
Posted by: JoeF. at November 23, 2014 11:54 PM (8HGb7)


Heh. I went to Amazon and downloaded the song for 0.99. It saves on shipping.

It's a nice addition to my collection, but wow, the live version I linked above is 1000x better.

Posted by: rickl at November 24, 2014 12:14 AM (sdi6R)

318 Posted by: Gingy in Canada where it's cold at November 24, 2014 12:07 AM

Gingy, you doing OK w/ the family situation up there? Sounds like you have a strong, caring family.

Sorry to hear of your loss. Condolences to your sister.

Posted by: Farmer at November 24, 2014 12:14 AM (o/90i)

319 306 I worked on a job site once where a dude wore panty hose under his work pants.





To keep warm, he said.





Cincinnati Bengals wore a lot of panty hose in the 70's freezer-bowl game.

Posted by: Steck at November 24, 2014 12:14 AM (5i94q)

320 *couriers to Gingy a hot cuppa tea*

Mike, your cat has spiking your beer again.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 24, 2014 12:15 AM (41ijT)

321 It's standard lore for motorcyclists that if you are out on the road and get trapped in an unanticipated 'cold', to stop at the first convenience store and buy a a pair of L'eggs. Just don't tell your friends about it. Beats the hell out freezing your butt off...., so my friend told me.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2014 12:17 AM (vPh3W)

322 Mike, your cat has spiking your beer again.
Posted by: Anna
-------------------
I would put nothing past him..., nothing.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2014 12:18 AM (vPh3W)

323 Posted by: cthulhu at November 24, 2014 12:12 AM (T1005)


During HS football camp in the early 80s my brother had a teammate that wore cutoff pantyhose under his shorts. Keep in mind, they were wearing those polyester late 70s/early 80s really short athletic shorts. The teammate was (surprise) a very large black guy so they gave him a rough time about the cutoff panty hose. The guy told them, "Fine, I won't wear them next practice."



Turns out, the pantyhose solution was to overcome the fact that the dude couldn't find a jock strap large enough to contain his junk.



After having to spend a practice seeing the guy running around with his johnson dangling out of one leg of his shorts, no one ever said a word to him about the pantyhose again.

Posted by: Country Singer at November 24, 2014 12:19 AM (nL0sw)

324 Welp! I've already overstayed by any reasonable measure given the fact that I have to get up at 4:30. So, I'm going to hit the sack. In the meantime, here's something a friend passed along that some DIY types might find interesting.

How to Wax your Own Clothing and Gear

http://is.gd/TJ2Y9p

G'night, all! Thanks for all the comments and suggestions!

Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at November 24, 2014 12:20 AM (18q33)

325 >>>Cincinnati Bengals wore a lot of panty hose in the 70's freezer-bowl game.


Posted by: Steck at November 24, 2014 12:14 AM (5i94q)<<<

Some of us football players didn't wear 'em only in games.

Posted by: Joe Namath at November 24, 2014 12:20 AM (H/9vm)

326 316
WTF is imitation wool? Does it come from fleep or something? Proper, sheep-grown wool please.

We are ok. I am exhausted. The bereavement baking has begun.

Posted by: Gingy in Canada where it's cold at November 24, 2014 12:13 AM (NYEU2)


Upthread, people were talking about everything from alpacas to SmartWool to carding their poodles. Myself, I was named after a paternal great-uncle who was a Sheepherder in western Colorado.....I don't know nothin' 'bout nothin'.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 24, 2014 12:22 AM (T1005)

327 Well it looks like this time keeping the soup down. I hope.

Now this is a secret agent from the future car
http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/selection-du-weekend-115-64.jpg

Lasers or machines in those front wings?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 24, 2014 12:24 AM (41ijT)

328 Flaaaaah, flaaaaaah

Posted by: Fleep at November 24, 2014 12:24 AM (iwdV3)

329 FYI, I knit for hire. In case any of you ever want wool socks.

Posted by: Gingy in Canada where it's cold at November 24, 2014 12:07 AM (NYEU2)


She does, and here's a sample of her work:
http://tinyurl.com/obd3z5s
If you ask her to knit a pair for you, keep in mind that it's something like 30-40 hours work, and pay her with that in mind. This isn't $5/pair at the Wal-Mart. Hand knit socks are a luxury, and they are priced accordingly.

Posted by: weirddave at November 24, 2014 12:25 AM (9422s)

330 Late as usual. But a good set of wicking longjohns like Underarmor makes can make the layers work that much better. Underarmor is spendy but if its what you do every day well worth it.

Posted by: Swatara at November 24, 2014 12:25 AM (AvP4a)

331 Do Fan-Droids Dream of Electronic Fleep?

Posted by: Fleep at November 24, 2014 12:26 AM (iwdV3)

332 327
Well it looks like this time keeping the soup down. I hope.

Now this is a secret agent from the future car
http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/selection-du-weekend-115-64.jpg

Lasers or machines in those front wings?


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 24, 2014 12:24 AM (41ijT)


Warp drives.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 24, 2014 12:29 AM (T1005)

333 261. Joe, I have never been to the Sierra Trading Post outlet. I'd like to some day. It's a little far for a shopping trip, but maybe we can make a weekend of it or something.

Posted by: Mindy at November 24, 2014 12:29 AM (vDQz+)

334
303 Anna Puma

Hi and thanks for posting that F111 video - a pretty good ending thankfully to what could have finished badly



Posted by: aussie at November 24, 2014 12:30 AM (EMNGr)

335 "Fuck you IOS 8."

That was 20 years ago or more!

Posted by: navybrat at November 24, 2014 12:30 AM (JgC5a)

336 I'm out.

Anna - Hope you get to feeling better.
Uh..., no bleeding from your eyes, is there?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2014 12:32 AM (vPh3W)

337 Geeze..., it was a *joke* folks.
Did I kill the thread?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2014 12:38 AM (vPh3W)

338
too many comments for me to read:

This is a subject near and dear to my body. I do alot of outside work - in an open structure that goes 10 floors high. Gets a little windy up there.

I use all of the same style clothes, just in FR (fire retardant) materials. Using the FR it was $95 for a zip up hoodie.

Layers - mandatory
Carhartt also makes a baclava style head covering. Very nice

Posted by: PM Rich at November 24, 2014 12:40 AM (eEBON)

339
Baclava / balaclava

dessert / head wear

hey, what do I know?

Posted by: PM Rich at November 24, 2014 12:41 AM (eEBON)

340 Hey, Cloth.
How are ya? And the BH? Still hiking a lot?

You'll be happy to know Tucker nipped the asshat with the blower today. Twice. I'm like "wierd - he's never done that before. It must be you."

Posted by: shredded chi at November 24, 2014 12:45 AM (Z+1b9)

341 So, the fiancee is in NC. I didn't get much done today -- cleaned the kitchen and the dining room, started putting post-its on the fridge, put more Halloween stuff in attic. After the scramble last night, wanted to relax a bit.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 24, 2014 12:46 AM (T1005)

342 DDR, get yourself a few pairs of wool socks and wool gloves, your body will thank you a thousand times over. They will keep you warm even when wet and they wick moisture away from your skin. Cotton will kill you in cold temperatures because it holds moisture next to the skin.

I hate cold weather, so much so that I've sworn you'll never see me north of the AL/TN line past this time of year when its just starting to get cold. I don't care for chilled extremities thanks to nerve damage which makes it extremely painful.

Posted by: Gmac- Pondering...something involving rope and a tree at November 24, 2014 12:46 AM (baiNQ)

343 264: Fundamentally transformed, Yo!!

Posted by: puddleglum at November 24, 2014 12:47 AM (u8l4t)

344 Cold weather is why I've lived my whole life, aside from a small number of vacations, in FL and TX.

Posted by: Cato at November 24, 2014 12:49 AM (J+mig)

345 Cloth???
New phone - I guess Cooth isn't in the oregano yet...

Posted by: shredded chi at November 24, 2014 12:49 AM (Z+1b9)

346 Getting ready to have Dad down here for our first Thanksgiving since Mom died in March. It will just be the three of us for this holiday.

Just weird. Holidays used to include many more relatives, but they are all dead.

Now my brother's family is far away and the SIL isn't the most welcoming. I think Dad will be welcome there at Christmas.

Posted by: Farmer at November 24, 2014 12:54 AM (o/90i)

347 Hello All!

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at November 24, 2014 12:56 AM (oKzyB)

348 Awesome tips. Thanks for leading me to the handcream. I'll have to try it.

Do steel toed boots wear out your toes? I wear work boots often, but have not yet tried steel toes as I also wear the boots for going to the store etc. Are they comfortable?

Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at November 24, 2014 12:58 AM (NBhge)

349 Welp, finally finished reading thru most of the comments... can't really add anything to the pile, 99+% of what I read was pretty spot-on.

I'm kinda the odd duck out since I really don't mind cold weather... it has to go to 0F before I really start taking extra measures. I went to Arctic Warfare School and had a great time; cross-country skiing, learning to use snowshoes (an exercise in comedy), and other useful stuff. We were issued the white Mickey Mouse boots; I really didn't have an issue with them.

Anna... don't forget my suggestion (to another moron) to try chicken broth with garlic powder added.

Posted by: CPT. Charles at November 24, 2014 01:04 AM (/mTq0)

350 319: that game was in 1982. The poor ole Chargers never had a chance. Too bad really, Dan Fouts vs. Joe Montana in the Super Bowl would have been fun.

Posted by: puddleglum at November 24, 2014 01:09 AM (u8l4t)

351 It is official. The world will end tomorrow. Both the Illini and the Bears win on the same weekend.

Posted by: GMB - Tyrant 2nd Class at November 24, 2014 01:09 AM (RQ2Z6)

352 Do steel toed boots wear out your toes? I wear work boots often, but have not yet tried steel toes as I also wear the boots for going to the store etc. Are they comfortable?
Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at November 24, 2014 12:58 AM

Really? What part of illegal don't you understand? Guess BO doesn't get either.

Posted by: Farmer at November 24, 2014 01:11 AM (o/90i)

353
Steel toed boots
the steel toes can put a callous on your toes where they rub, especially if you aren't used to wearing them or they are too tight.
generally you end up getting slightly larger boots. I can wear a size 15 in most shoes but wear 16 in work boots (no 1/2 sizes when you get to this range)
Been wearing steel toes for 30+ years now, mine are actually more comfortable than my tennis shoes.

Posted by: PM Rich at November 24, 2014 01:11 AM (eEBON)

354 340
Hey, Cloth.

How are ya? And the BH? Still hiking a lot?



You'll be happy to know Tucker nipped the asshat with the blower
today. Twice. I'm like "wierd - he's never done that before. It must be
you."

Posted by: shredded chi at November 24, 2014 12:45 AM (Z+1b9)


Yep, still hiking -- we even took Arbalest out on a little stroll, maybe this last weekend. He looked like he may have overprepared for it, but that's all good -- it was about a 3 mile, 650 foot loop, and you bob-and-weave a good bit. Nobody crumpled and folded, or fell off the mountain, but we all broke a sweat, so I'm counting it as a win.


Been busier than hell with interruptions on interruptions on interruptions......but managed to do Halloween, get my CPA renewed, put up the greenhouses, ship the fiancee off to NC for a long-ish trip, and other alarums and diversions successfully. Now I can do a bunch of maintenance-ish things without the necessity of them being presentable at 6:00 pm every day.

I've been taking your radio-silence as being likewise busy, 'cause things seemed to be headed that way back around September-ish. Hope that's the case.


I couldn't think of a more deserving person to get nipped.....but watch it, Blowerman is just the sort of guy who would go to the town pitbull registry and try to have Tucker declared "dangerous and vicious". Tucker should probably have left off at one, and only taken another run at him come December.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 24, 2014 01:12 AM (T1005)

355 345
Cloth???

New phone - I guess Cooth isn't in the oregano yet...

Posted by: shredded chi at November 24, 2014 12:49 AM (Z+1b9)


New phone? What happened to the "old" one? I haven't changed phones once in the time I've known you.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 24, 2014 01:14 AM (T1005)

356 350: The quickest way to ID a real attendee of that game is to check for missing toes or fingertips...

...with the wind added in, it was -70 on the field.

Posted by: CPT. Charles at November 24, 2014 01:14 AM (/mTq0)

357 347
Hello All!

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at November 24, 2014 12:56 AM (oKzyB)


Howdy, howdy!

So, [Indiana Jones voice] why did it have to be Abruzzo?

Posted by: cthulhu at November 24, 2014 01:16 AM (T1005)

358 Hey, Cloth.
How are ya? And the BH? Still hiking a lot?
You'll be happy to know Tucker nipped the asshat with the blower today. Twice. I'm like "wierd - he's never done that before. It must be you."
Posted by: shredded chi at November 24, 2014 12:45 AM

Too funny, glad Tucker nailed the asshat blowbag.

Be well all.

Posted by: Farmer at November 24, 2014 01:16 AM (o/90i)

359 Oh Abruzzo!

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at November 24, 2014 01:20 AM (oKzyB)

360 Chu........the new "Tuscany "

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at November 24, 2014 01:21 AM (oKzyB)

361 Yikes...slow ONT tonight?

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 24, 2014 01:23 AM (FMbng)

362 360
Chu........the new "Tuscany "

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at November 24, 2014 01:21 AM (oKzyB)


Yes.....and I've been-to and enjoyed-the-hell-out-of the "old" Tuscany. So, how did Abruzzo lure you away?

Posted by: cthulhu at November 24, 2014 01:24 AM (T1005)

363
Just got the website we use for ordering new uniforms for work to open.

those insluated bibs in FR go for $290

Glad I'm not paying for those

Posted by: PM Rich at November 24, 2014 01:25 AM (eEBON)

364 361
Yikes...slow ONT tonight?

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 24, 2014 01:23 AM (FMbng)


Yeah, the stewpot's not looking too full....toss in a rabbit or sumpin' -- at least a turnip.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 24, 2014 01:26 AM (T1005)

365 G'night, Farmer. Good to see familiar names. (Speaking of...where's Misanthropic? )
I dropped my smartphone about a month after I bought it, so was dealing with a cracked screen all this time. T MOBILE finally sent me a replacement - gratis.
I really am tough on phones. I go through at least one per year.

And I was playing with the kids next door in the back forty. The idiot came over and walked right in the back yard. Tuck was just protecting the little ones.
Funny thing is, the doggeh loves his little boy & wife to death, but growled at him and gave him the stinkeye the whole time.

Posted by: shredded chi at November 24, 2014 01:26 AM (Z+1b9)

366 Yeah, the stewpot's not looking too full....toss in a rabbit or sumpin' -- at least a turnip.


Posted by: cthulhu at November 24, 2014 01:26 AM (T1005)


I'm trying to remember the name of the comedian who said something along the lines of god realizing that turnips were a mistake, so he buried it in the earth to hide it, but man found it and dug it up. lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 24, 2014 01:29 AM (FMbng)

367 365
G'night, Farmer. Good to see familiar names. (Speaking of...where's Misanthropic? )

I dropped my smartphone about a month after I bought it, so was
dealing with a cracked screen all this time. T MOBILE finally sent me a
replacement - gratis.

I really am tough on phones. I go through at least one per year.



And I was playing with the kids next door in the back forty. The
idiot came over and walked right in the back yard. Tuck was just
protecting the little ones.

Funny thing is, the doggeh loves his little boy wife to death,
but growled at him and gave him the stinkeye the whole time.

Posted by: shredded chi at November 24, 2014 01:26 AM (Z+1b9)


Oh, that is funny. I thought he'd run across the street.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 24, 2014 01:30 AM (T1005)

368
The idiot came over and walked right in the back yard


Sounds like the pup knows which territory is his and if he only acts like this towards him - trust the dog, not the man

Posted by: PM Rich at November 24, 2014 01:30 AM (eEBON)

369 lol, here is the turnip guy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSlaPp-kB5Q

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 24, 2014 01:31 AM (FMbng)

370 368

The idiot came over and walked right in the back yard


Sounds like the pup knows which territory is his and if he only acts like this towards him - trust the dog, not the man

Posted by: PM Rich at November 24, 2014 01:30 AM (eEBON)


I have been to Chi's house and seen this man, in action, and I will attest that he is a first class jerk.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 24, 2014 01:32 AM (T1005)

371 Chu......cooking school

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at November 24, 2014 01:33 AM (oKzyB)

372 Oh and lots of grest wine, olive oil and truffles

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at November 24, 2014 01:35 AM (oKzyB)

373 Happy-ish Sunday night, all y'all ...

back from an early Thanksgiving with my sister.

Diet spoiling goodies were distributed post meal and now reside in the icebox.

Hope everyone is feeling better soonest.

Stomach flu going around Chez Critic ...

Posted by: Adriane the Gourmet Critic ... at November 24, 2014 01:36 AM (P+IZm)

374 371
Chu......cooking school

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at November 24, 2014 01:33 AM (oKzyB)


So it was the particular school, then -- the one that you had linked. How did you find it? How did you like it? What did you learn there? What was your favorite part?

Posted by: cthulhu at November 24, 2014 01:37 AM (T1005)

375 WMDS --



Mind you, I'm just an disinterested observer......




What other things did you do? Where did you stay? What things impressed you about the town? Were there disappointments?

Posted by: cthulhu at November 24, 2014 01:38 AM (T1005)

376 I have been to Chi's house and seen this man, in action, and I will attest that he is a first class jerk.

Posted by: cthulhu
------------------
I am NOT exaggerating when I say that he uses a loud-ass gas blower 3 to 5 times per day. Before work, comes home at lunch, and starts the blower the minute he gets out of his car in the evening - doesnt even go inside to kiss his smokin' hot wife.
Weekends, it can be as early as 8am. I've seen him in the pouring rain with the blower in one hand & an umbrella in the other. Seriously.

Posted by: shredded chi at November 24, 2014 01:38 AM (Z+1b9)

377
I have been to Chi's house and seen this man, in action, and I will attest that he is a first class jerk.


I remember you guys talking about him one night. I was just adding that most dogs cantell who the asshats are - and apparently Tuckerhas the nose

Posted by: PM Rich at November 24, 2014 01:39 AM (eEBON)

378 373
Happy-ish Sunday night, all y'all ...



back from an early Thanksgiving with my sister.



Diet spoiling goodies were distributed post meal and now reside in the icebox.



Hope everyone is feeling better soonest.



Stomach flu going around Chez Critic ...

Posted by: Adriane the Gourmet Critic ... at November 24, 2014 01:36 AM (P+IZm)


Hoping for a quick recovery at Chez Critic. With the fiancee out of town, I'm hoping that being a hermit might reduce my risk.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 24, 2014 01:41 AM (T1005)

379 377

I have been to Chi's house and seen this man, in action, and I will attest that he is a first class jerk.


I
remember you guys talking about him one night. I was just adding that
most dogs cantell who the asshats are - and apparently Tuckerhas the
nose

Posted by: PM Rich at November 24, 2014 01:39 AM (eEBON)


Actually, that might explain something....I normally get along with dogs very well -- even difficult ones. And I have to confess that I was playing with Tucker's paranoia at times. But he did actually nip me, which is very unusual......but it may have been that I had been driving four hours to get there feeling like an asshat. Hmmmm....

Posted by: cthulhu at November 24, 2014 01:46 AM (T1005)

380 Hoping for a quick recovery at Chez Critic. With the fiancee out of town, I'm hoping that being a hermit might reduce my risk.

I was acting like a hermit in Californ - i - ah,
So I was hoping that I might, like, really might not get ebola ....

Ee - Bo - lee - A - bo - la ...

la - la - la ebola ....

Posted by: Adriane the Pop Music Critic ... at November 24, 2014 01:50 AM (P+IZm)

381 My favorite part was that we got engaged!

My mil and sil had been there two years before and invited us. Carunchio is a small mountain village outside of Vasto and you stay in a renovated palazzo with the cooking school in the cellar.

We learned gnocchi, Italian donuts, panezotti, pizza, four cheese saffron sauce, and on. Plus we got to tour the entire region. From religion to seafood.............

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at November 24, 2014 01:51 AM (oKzyB)

382 Aussie, excellent airmanship by all on that day.

Cpt Charles, might try that next time. So far the soup is staying down but it has tried to climb out like a chest-burster a couple times.

Sorry to hear you caught a bug Adriane. Soonest recovery.

Wrote exactly 44 words for NaNoWriMo today, just to prove I did something on story. Yesterday was a monster day at 3,620 words. So still a few days ahead of where I should be.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 24, 2014 01:55 AM (41ijT)

383 381
My favorite part was that we got engaged!



My mil and sil had been there two years before and invited us.
Carunchio is a small mountain village outside of Vasto and you stay in
a renovated palazzo with the cooking school in the cellar.



We learned gnocchi, Italian donuts, panezotti, pizza, four cheese
saffron sauce, and on. Plus we got to tour the entire region. From
religion to seafood.............

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at November 24, 2014 01:51 AM (oKzyB)


Lovely, lovely....Italy is a wonderful country for enjoying the hell out of things.....from the greatest to the least. You can have the idea that you will do X today....but have such an exquisite experience biting into a pastry you bought in a railroad kiosk that it ends up as what you always talk about -- even though X was everything you'd gone there to see.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 24, 2014 01:59 AM (T1005)

384 Chu......

Italy is everything you do not expeat to experience and with fantastic results

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at November 24, 2014 02:02 AM (oKzyB)

385 Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 24, 2014 01:55 AM (41ijT)

t'anks, Anna. Hopefully, you'll feel better as well.

If you want to bribe The Muse with pecan pie we have more that enough to spare ...

Pushes pie plate thru USB ...

Holds on to pie awaiting further instructions ...

Posted by: Adriane the Pop Music Critic ... at November 24, 2014 02:04 AM (P+IZm)

386 Here is the "News of the Week" compilation of the news.

More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=7355

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 24, 2014 02:06 AM (lN8KC)

387 Bag balm, used it for 30 years in the Const. industry and it never let me down.

Posted by: The Great Satans Ghost at November 24, 2014 02:07 AM (xMU3a)

388 About the dog and the blower... we had a dog that would viciously attack the lawn mower. He hated that thing and if you started it up, he'd been all over it, biting the wheels.

Big Noisy Scary Monster Attack!

It could be the blower as much as the guy.

Posted by: Synova at November 24, 2014 02:09 AM (Ek0Xs)

389 Thank you Adriane, pie is always welcome.

TPH - http://www.aniplexusa.com/expelledfromparadise/theaters.php

And I am going to call it a night.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 24, 2014 02:09 AM (41ijT)

390
A protester bought a gun and was waving it around in the car, causing her bf to rear end another car, and for her to shoot herself in the head dead.

I'd feel sorry for her if she didnt start this shit but she did.

Posted by: The Progs at November 24, 2014 02:10 AM (iQIUe)

391 Preparing some big presentations for the 1st week of Dec. Not going to be able to enjoy much time off (if any) this Thanksgiving...

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 24, 2014 02:18 AM (lN8KC)

392 384
Chu......



Italy is everything you do not expeat to experience and with fantastic results

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at November 24, 2014 02:02 AM (oKzyB)


It should be noted that I first went to Italy when I was 15, in 1977....and when The Hitchhikers Guide came out in 1979 with "Dentrassis are the best cooks and the best drinks mixers, and they don't give a wet slap about anything else." -- I instantly knew who they were modeled after. They tend to care more about thoroughly enjoying lunch than whether it is completed within one hour.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 24, 2014 02:19 AM (T1005)

393 Good Night, Anna ...

Get better ... or get better soup ...

Posted by: Adriane the Pop Music Critic ... at November 24, 2014 02:26 AM (P+IZm)

394 Never been to Italy ... ate at an Olive Garden once ...

Posted by: Adriane the Chain Restaurant Critic ... at November 24, 2014 02:27 AM (P+IZm)

395 Oy.

Bed for me as well.

Resume edits and all sorts of things tomorrow.

Posted by: Adriane the Chain Restaurant Critic ... at November 24, 2014 02:28 AM (P+IZm)

396 394
Never been to Italy ... ate at an Olive Garden once ...

Posted by: Adriane the Chain Restaurant Critic ... at November 24, 2014 02:27 AM (P+IZm)


Italy's just too damned fun. There's all sorts of things that can throw you off. For example.....the cheapest thing you can do for lunch is drink wine. It normally comes with your meal. To drink water is more expensive -- you'll have a choice between sparkling or flat. Most expensive is to have a Coke.

When I was in Italy in 1977, I noticed that the bottle of water I was drinking had odd specifications on the label -- including mmC. "What was mmC?", I asked....it was "milli-micro-Curies", a measure of radiation -- radioactivity in the water gave you "zip".

In one of the "Under a Tuscan Sky" books, the author talks about going to a market and seeing some peaches. She frets about this overnight and thinks of a reason to have them.....so goes back to the market the next day to get them. They weren't there, because they were only worthy of being sold yesterday.

For Americans, Italy is wildly quirky and exotic....but benign to the point of hedonism. And, for those of us in the Southwest, the language barrier is wafer-thin because you can talk to them pretty much in Spanish, and they reply in "Spanish" with an odd accent.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 24, 2014 02:41 AM (T1005)

397 Yet more NSFW proof that Japan is f**ked up:

http://animatorexpo.com/mememe/

Go ahead to the 1:29 mark...

Posted by: 政治的な帽子 at November 24, 2014 02:50 AM (lN8KC)

398 I am NOT exaggerating when I say that he uses a loud-ass gas blower 3 to 5 times per day. Before work, comes home at lunch, and starts the blower the minute he gets out of his car in the evening - doesnt even go inside to kiss his smokin' hot wife.
Weekends, it can be as early as 8am. I've seen him in the pouring rain with the blower in one hand & an umbrella in the other. Seriously.


Posted by: shredded chi at November 24, 2014 01:38 AM (Z+1b9)


I have a neighbor that was nuts with his ride on mower, and he was an annoying prick with his early morning cruises. He would be out there cruising around as early as march when nothing even shows the hint of growing. From that point on he'll be on it 3-4 days a week until winter. The annual joke is when we would hear his mower fire up in march we would say "well he's out there vacuuming his lawn", or "lawn mower man saw his shadow, 1 more week of winter".

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 24, 2014 03:08 AM (FMbng)

399 Night all.

Here is "Fields of Sun" by Iron Butterfly:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB7RM1jPFoY

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 24, 2014 03:13 AM (lN8KC)

400 Driving a truck in the winter, I favored a Carhardt coat.

And steel toed boots year around.

And Bag Balm. (Lanolin is key--my dad often used straight, raw lanolin.

But the big key (as you already know) is layers that allow adjustment. I always wear the water-resistant outer layer, making adjustments under it.

And have a stash of dry socks somewhere. And wear a hat--max heat-loss is through the top of your head. But cold, wet, rotting feet do not do anything good.

Posted by: Larry Sheldon at November 24, 2014 03:20 AM (tRx5R)

401 397: Japan is weird. Very weird.

Posted by: puddleglum at November 24, 2014 03:24 AM (u8l4t)

402 399
Night all.



Here is "Fields of Sun" by Iron Butterfly:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB7RM1jPFoY

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 24, 2014 03:13 AM (lN8KC)


For all the people wondering if they killed the thread....Iron Butterfly kills threads.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 24, 2014 03:59 AM (T1005)

403 Good morning fime people. Its so amazing to awake in my own bed! Not so amazing to awake spain time though. I just want to sleeep.
DDR did a damn good post. Very useful.

Posted by: fastlibrefall at November 24, 2014 04:25 AM (uA97l)

404 403
Good morning fime people. Its so amazing to awake in my own bed! Not so
amazing to awake spain time though. I just want to sleeep.

DDR did a damn good post. Very useful.

Posted by: fastlibrefall at November 24, 2014 04:25 AM (uA97l)


DDR did a damn fine job.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 24, 2014 04:30 AM (T1005)

405 What a great thread subject. Last week, I started temping with a certain company with a lot of brown delivery trucks, as a way to kill some time during the day.

Cold weather,s coming. And lots of good Horde approved clothing tips here.

Thanks

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 24, 2014 04:57 AM (n0a1r)

406 Wow. Very quiet around here.


Too quiet.

Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry at November 24, 2014 05:19 AM (8N+Kq)

407 Well, i reckon it's time do some PT then.off the saltmine.

Posted by: fastlibrefall at November 24, 2014 05:21 AM (uA97l)

408 "If you ask historians, take a look at the track records of the modern
presidency, I've actually been very restrained. And I've been very
restrained with respect to immigration. I bent over backwards and will
continue to do everything I can to get Congress to work," El Jefe said.


---Get that? RE STRAIN ED.


Have to get congress to work, getting shit done, doing things the American people want, comprehensive things, working together.

Posted by: Mrs. Ida Lowry at November 24, 2014 05:27 AM (8N+Kq)

409 So, I just came up with a story idea....unfortunately way too late for NaNaNaNaNoNoNoNoMeGetAJob, or whatever it is.



So, imagine a society where you can get a quadcopter for $39.95 that carries a camera and twin 12-gauge shotgun shells on 6-inch aluminum (one-shot) barrels -- with enough processor power for facial recognition.



And imagine that every political rally afterward has flocks of these lethal bastards, programmed to recognize a face, fly within 18-inches of it, then unload two cartridges of 00 buck. So what happens?



You get a world where candidates campaign exclusively with avatars, using voice distortion to further distance themselves from a target.



Would this be better or worse than today?

Posted by: cthulhu at November 24, 2014 05:42 AM (T1005)

410 Great ONT. Many of those same hints work well for duck hunting too.

Posted by: MTF at November 24, 2014 06:09 AM (CeHbE)

411 Clothes? I prefer to go naked.

Posted by: Emperor Barry I at November 24, 2014 06:20 AM (CeHbE)

412 That is a disturbing concept Cthulhu, Gaylord Merkin Focker having robotic clones created... and one is sent to each state capital. All 57 of them. And pre-loaded with his iPod of speeches.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 24, 2014 06:30 AM (41ijT)

413 Some of my woolly socks are 'Dickies' brand. Across the top of each foot is their logo. The dot on the lower-case letter 'i' - stitched in the wool - could be easily mistaken for a lower-case L. And the way the logo sits, could have an additional 's' at the end. Who wants to wear socks that, when you look down at your feet, it says, 'Dickless'?!?

Posted by: mindful webworker - rolls over & goes back to sleep at November 24, 2014 06:37 AM (MOpDc)

414 Ill add my little bit to the good advice on here about cold weather gear. T-shirt, long sleeve T and then Hoody before jacket. I like a ski mask made of typical hat material.
Here is the method to my madness- I wear the mask as a regular hat unless needed. If I feel cold I have the option of putting the hoody over the mask-as-hat and finally can change setup to use the mask as a mask if needed. Your not gonna lose much heat through your head with a ski mask on and a hood over that.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at November 24, 2014 06:41 AM (IVgIK)

415 come one come all
fresh new morning thread

Posted by: mindful webworker - herald at November 24, 2014 06:43 AM (MOpDc)

416 Now departing F-town, NC...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 24, 2014 06:44 AM (6fyGz)

417 Llands End silk long johns for the first layer. No bulk and very, very warm.

Posted by: JLL at November 24, 2014 07:11 AM (Xg82m)

418 Does anyone have any experience with the Duluth Trading Firehose pants? I'm considering getting some.


Yes. Have 3 pairs and they are great. Also their long underwear is a must have too.

Posted by: JLL at November 24, 2014 07:15 AM (Xg82m)

419 Some good news and some bad news.....I have now seen "Galaxy Quest", and it's farkin' five in the am....g'night.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 24, 2014 07:58 AM (T1005)

420 DDR, any man who can write like this has choices. Now maybe you like working outside, and, if so, more power to you. But, if not, your skill with the pen (or keyboard as the case may be) should be able to keep you from the poorhouse. Great piece!

Posted by: CommonSenseMom at November 24, 2014 09:09 AM (SNcvB)

421 Thank you, CommonSenseMom! I do enjoy working outside most days. Like all jobs, it has its less-than-pleasant days. But, even those days are better than the best days I had in some of the office jobs I've held over the years. I'm just one of those people who have to be kept busy doing something, but just can't abide monotonous "busywork". A lot of the office jobs I've had consisted of a lot of that, and I was completely miserable as a consequence. I'd much rather spend ten-hour days busting my hump in the cold, digging holes in the dirt.

Now, if I could make a living full-time as a writer and photographer, I'd sign up for that in a heartbeat -- especially as a travel/nature writer and photographer. But, for the time being, I'm content to work outside and look forward to travel opportunities in my current line of work.

Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at November 24, 2014 09:34 AM (18q33)

422 Thank goodness others have already knocked down the cotton socks idea. Wool socks all the way, even in summer, as they are available in different weights.

DDRino you might also consider duty socks, such as the 511 tactical socks at LApolicegear . com


Posted by: Mongerel at November 24, 2014 09:42 AM (YqWfw)

423 Thanks, Mongerel. I'm going to pick up some wool socks this coming weekend. I haven't done it yet because it really hasn't gotten all that cold, except for a couple of days in the teens. You can bet I'll be ready when the cold finally does set in, though.

Posted by: DamnDirtyRINO at November 24, 2014 09:52 AM (18q33)

424 On knives, recommend a good single-bladed 3-4" blade with a clip for easy deployment. One of the cheaper Spyderco's will serve you well and are easier to deploy than a thumb-stud variety when you're wearing gloves. For in-depth reviews on many different knives across a vast price range, check out Nutnfancy's channel on YouTube. Also, for lots of practical advice and real-world demonstration of working outdoors in cold conditions, try the Wranglerstar channel.

Posted by: Immolate at November 24, 2014 10:01 AM (/Tq1J)

425 Thanks for the tips, Immolate. I do like that Spyderco Tenacious. Great-looking knife!

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