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House Passes Budget Deal CR, With Democratic Votes Needed To Make a Majority
It passed 260-167, with 59 Republicans voting against it, but 81 Democrats voting for it. 108 Democrats voted no.
Boehner isn't celebrating the not-very-good deal:"Is it perfect? No. I'd be the first one to admit that it's flawed," Boehner said. "Well, welcome to divided government." Boehner said he wishes more cuts could have been achieved, and hinted that more would be coming. "Does it cut enough? No. Do I wish it cut more? Absolutely. And do we need to cut more? Absolutely."He'd better internalize that message and not just feed us soup. Democrats spun it as a partial victory and/or sign the Republicans aren't very serious about budget cutting -- which is, of course, not really spin so much as a plausible read of the situation.
... Only a handful of Democrats spoke out against the deal, and many more welcomed the ability of Republicans to back away from steeper cuts in H.R. 1, the House-passed spending bill that would have cut $61 billion from FY 2010 instead of the nearly $40 billion agreed to last week. "It also shows that they're not wedded to H.R. 1," said Rep. Sam Farr (D-Calif.). "The message goes out that they make adjustments."The message needs to go out they need to make adjustments the other way.
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I'd be the first one to admit that it's flawed," Boehner said
Really? Then why did you work so hard tocram it down all our throats? Just because you want to suck democrat cock doesn't mean the rest of us do.
Really? Then why did you work so hard tocram it down all our throats? Just because you want to suck democrat cock doesn't mean the rest of us do.
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at April 14, 2011 03:20 PM (cniXs)
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http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll268.xml
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 14, 2011 03:21 PM (uVLrI)
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Cocksuckers.
Posted by: Barbarian at April 14, 2011 03:22 PM (EL+OC)
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Gohmert will be added as a nay.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 14, 2011 03:22 PM (uVLrI)
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sam farr is my rep. He's a retarded f___stik. And, that is being generous to him
But, hey we GOT the deal, man!
You're right. Boenher needs to nut up big time.
But, hey we GOT the deal, man!
You're right. Boenher needs to nut up big time.
Posted by: newguy40 at April 14, 2011 03:23 PM (kduZC)
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The only anser i can come up with , is we must not really be in danger of a fiscal collapse. why?, because wouldn't those that Know of the Danger do EVERYTHING in their power to save our country? they would wouldn;'t they?
Posted by: willow at April 14, 2011 03:23 PM (h+qn8)
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So West voted Nay, huh?
Posted by: Tami at April 14, 2011 03:23 PM (VuLos)
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"Well, welcome to defective government."
Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 14, 2011 03:24 PM (G/MYk)
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answer.
Posted by: willow at April 14, 2011 03:24 PM (h+qn8)
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Rep. Lankford is a man with a conscience, and he voted yes after further consideration. I believe him.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 14, 2011 03:25 PM (uVLrI)
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I'm working at our tea party rally tomorrow, and my heart is just not in it.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 14, 2011 03:25 PM (UOM48)
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The big showdown better be voting NO on raising the debt ceiling, or the GOP can go to hell.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at April 14, 2011 03:27 PM (mHQ7T)
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I'm working at our tea party rally tomorrow, and my heart is just not in it.
ha, i initially read that as TAR party. more appropriate at this point.
ha, i initially read that as TAR party. more appropriate at this point.
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at April 14, 2011 03:27 PM (cniXs)
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I'm working at our tea party rally tomorrow, and my heart is just not in it.
I have to say, in Arlington, TX, they seem kind of redundant- until/unless we start primarying even our "good" representatives in the area as being not conservative enough.
I've heard it said, "Want to prevent an attack from the Right during primary season? Be more conservative."
I have to say, in Arlington, TX, they seem kind of redundant- until/unless we start primarying even our "good" representatives in the area as being not conservative enough.
I've heard it said, "Want to prevent an attack from the Right during primary season? Be more conservative."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 14, 2011 03:28 PM (8y9MW)
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Do we get fined 100K if we call the Republican leadership a bunch of fhegs?
Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 14, 2011 03:28 PM (pLTLS)
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Boehner actually voted. That's a sign that he knew he was in trouble.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 14, 2011 03:29 PM (uVLrI)
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so Republicans pass an idiotically flawed scam that has pissed the base off and btw those Dems who voted against the bill didn't have concern over the small cuts, but the fact THEY WANTED NO CUTS AT ALL
I started out going to this blog opposed to 3rd parties, I believed everything would work its way out, I came to see just how much of a nanny state we have how much the GOP doesn't get it as much as the Dems. I backed this deal thinking it was a start, but millions? really? really? WTF?! does anyone realize the path we're headed towards?!
really i'm ready to just say fuck them all, sit back and watch all Hell break loose
I started out going to this blog opposed to 3rd parties, I believed everything would work its way out, I came to see just how much of a nanny state we have how much the GOP doesn't get it as much as the Dems. I backed this deal thinking it was a start, but millions? really? really? WTF?! does anyone realize the path we're headed towards?!
really i'm ready to just say fuck them all, sit back and watch all Hell break loose
Posted by: YRM (Just Sick Of It, Just Sick Of It All) at April 14, 2011 03:29 PM (UzBwz)
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12 The big showdown better be voting NO on raising the debt ceiling, or the GOP can go to hell.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at April 14, 2011 03:27 PM (mHQ7T)
Sounds like the GOP leadership is onboard with raising it so the 2012 budget is going to have to be the hill on which to perish.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at April 14, 2011 03:27 PM (mHQ7T)
Sounds like the GOP leadership is onboard with raising it so the 2012 budget is going to have to be the hill on which to perish.
Posted by: joncelli at April 14, 2011 03:29 PM (RD7QR)
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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Posted by: Joe Biden at April 14, 2011 03:29 PM (CYoZS)
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Memo to : Speaker Boehner
It's not only that the amount of cuts is little, it's the fact you got NOTHING for your concessions, which is frustrating.
Memo to : Speaker Boehner
It's not only that the amount of cuts is little, it's the fact you got NOTHING for your concessions, which is frustrating.
Posted by: Soothsayer, Republican Whip at April 14, 2011 03:29 PM (uFokq)
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Bottom line: Will the federal government spend less money in 2011 than they did in 2010?
Have they ever spent less from 1 year to the next? When? (I think after WWI and WWII.)
If my thinking is right then a cut of 1 cent would be the largest cut since 1950.
Have they ever spent less from 1 year to the next? When? (I think after WWI and WWII.)
If my thinking is right then a cut of 1 cent would be the largest cut since 1950.
Posted by: zmdavid at April 14, 2011 03:30 PM (Urkrx)
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17 These links in this are interesting.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 14, 2011 03:31 PM (uVLrI)
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So, wait, Democrats, who argued against cutting more, are saying that the deal shows that *Republicans* really aren't committed to cutting the deficit?
Wow. Just wow.
This, boys, is how the game is played.
Wow. Just wow.
This, boys, is how the game is played.
Posted by: blaster at April 14, 2011 03:31 PM (l5dj7)
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<<<<Joe's Weeping Ass Crack>>>>> Which
one of you revolutionary Boehnerthumpers is going to be the first to admit the flaws? Which ones of you will be the first to go to dress down the Republican House?
Which ones of you will be the first to be photographed boinking your cabana boy under the Frank Act? My "educated" guess is that none of you will, especially
the ones who speak of being serious about the budget. My "experience" is
that those who speak tough of dollars and cents make me piss my pants and run after the first bad check is cashed.
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<<<<Joe's Weeping Ass Crack>>>>> Which
one of you revolutionary Boehnerthumpers is going to be the first to admit the flaws? Which ones of you will be the first to go to dress down the Republican House?
Which ones of you will be the first to be photographed boinking your cabana boy under the Frank Act? My "educated" guess is that none of you will, especially
the ones who speak of being serious about the budget. My "experience" is
that those who speak tough of dollars and cents make me piss my pants and run after the first bad check is cashed.
Posted by: uneducated joe at April 14, 2011 03:32 PM (fb52c)
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12
The big showdown better be voting NO on raising the debt ceiling, or the GOP can go to hell.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at April 14, 2011 03:27 PM (mHQ7T)
Not going to happen. Boehner has already stated, on numerous occasions, that the debt ceiling will be raised. All he's doing is angling for some political cover, in the way of spending caps, Obama promising not to get any in his hair, and other such nonsense.
The big showdown better be voting NO on raising the debt ceiling, or the GOP can go to hell.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at April 14, 2011 03:27 PM (mHQ7T)
Not going to happen. Boehner has already stated, on numerous occasions, that the debt ceiling will be raised. All he's doing is angling for some political cover, in the way of spending caps, Obama promising not to get any in his hair, and other such nonsense.
Posted by: Damiano at April 14, 2011 03:32 PM (3nrx7)
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We've given up so many hills, yet the Republicans don't realize that we've pushed out to sea.
We're not on dry land, anymore. We're floating in the harbor, surrounded by sharks. We need to storm the beach and take land before we get eaten.
We've given up so many hills, yet the Republicans don't realize that we've pushed out to sea.
We're not on dry land, anymore. We're floating in the harbor, surrounded by sharks. We need to storm the beach and take land before we get eaten.
Posted by: Soothsayer, Republican Whip at April 14, 2011 03:32 PM (uFokq)
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#18
Agreed. The Republican leadership is already saying that they are not going to fight about that.
Remember the FY2012 budget is going to increase the debt by at least $1 trillion. They can't reasonably not raise the debt ceiling when their own budget requires them to. Also, they want the money from the finance industry. Finance has been sending very clear signals that this is a huge deal to them.
It is all about the 2012 budget. This is really the only battle before the 2012 election.
Agreed. The Republican leadership is already saying that they are not going to fight about that.
Remember the FY2012 budget is going to increase the debt by at least $1 trillion. They can't reasonably not raise the debt ceiling when their own budget requires them to. Also, they want the money from the finance industry. Finance has been sending very clear signals that this is a huge deal to them.
It is all about the 2012 budget. This is really the only battle before the 2012 election.
Posted by: Paper at April 14, 2011 03:32 PM (VoSja)
Posted by: Soothsayer, Republican Whip at April 14, 2011 03:32 PM (uFokq)
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soup isn't what he is feeding us.
Posted by: sifty at April 14, 2011 03:32 PM (wqnZl)
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Republican Study Committee split, Budget split, and a few Appropriations defectors.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 14, 2011 03:33 PM (uVLrI)
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"I started out going to this blog opposed to 3rd parties..."
Is it time to start seriously considering a 3rd party? If it's going to happen, and gain traction, it'll have to happen soon.
So, two questions:
1) Would a 3rd party- if sustained past the '12 election cycle- have any real chance in the next 10 years?
2) If the answer to 1 is "yes," is the Republican party weak enough that you believe there is not enough difference between getting Republicans elected and Democrats, so that you are willing to "throw" the '12, '14, and possible '16 elections to the Democrat?
My answer to #1 is "I'm not sure." My answer to #2 is getting closer and closer to "Yes."
Is it time to start seriously considering a 3rd party? If it's going to happen, and gain traction, it'll have to happen soon.
So, two questions:
1) Would a 3rd party- if sustained past the '12 election cycle- have any real chance in the next 10 years?
2) If the answer to 1 is "yes," is the Republican party weak enough that you believe there is not enough difference between getting Republicans elected and Democrats, so that you are willing to "throw" the '12, '14, and possible '16 elections to the Democrat?
My answer to #1 is "I'm not sure." My answer to #2 is getting closer and closer to "Yes."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 14, 2011 03:33 PM (8y9MW)
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You bitches work for me now.
Posted by: Big Government at April 14, 2011 03:33 PM (sOtz/)
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I'll repeat the plan I floated last night;
If Congress spends too much, or the President proposes
spending too much, aliens come down from space and shoot their dicks off with a
ray-gun (or if they are female- lasers one on?).
I think that plan is just as feasible as anything Obama invented yesterday. It is also more likely to happen than Boehner agreeing on anything we consider a reasonable "cut"- sot to speak.
If Congress spends too much, or the President proposes
spending too much, aliens come down from space and shoot their dicks off with a
ray-gun (or if they are female- lasers one on?).
I think that plan is just as feasible as anything Obama invented yesterday. It is also more likely to happen than Boehner agreeing on anything we consider a reasonable "cut"- sot to speak.
Posted by: Marcus at April 14, 2011 03:33 PM (DOJMz)
Posted by: Soothsayer, Republican Whip at April 14, 2011 03:34 PM (uFokq)
Posted by: John Boehner's Genie at April 14, 2011 03:34 PM (CYoZS)
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My formerly conservative congress critter voted for it and he is going to vote to increase the debt ceiling. Can I get a primary challenger here in Texas-13?
Posted by: Snorting the NPR butt hash so you won't have to at April 14, 2011 03:34 PM (F/4zf)
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They need a chainsaw to make these "adjustments", not a jeweler's screwdriver.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at April 14, 2011 03:34 PM (LcINp)
Posted by: Soothsayer, Republican Whip at April 14, 2011 03:34 PM (uFokq)
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Posted by: Snorting the NPR butt hash so you won't have to at April 14, 2011 03:34 PM (F/4zf)
Which one is '13?
Which one is '13?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 14, 2011 03:35 PM (8y9MW)
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Some of the people who voted for the deal did it because the 2012 budget is their "hill to die-on". If not for that, this might not have ever come to the floor.
I still think it was a mistake to ever quit the CR approach, and a number of people who asked for the deal and were enthusiastic about it voted against this.
I still think it was a mistake to ever quit the CR approach, and a number of people who asked for the deal and were enthusiastic about it voted against this.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 14, 2011 03:35 PM (uVLrI)
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Oh he better "not feed us soup," eh?
Well, if you wanted to treated seriously, you should have acted seriously instead blowing around in the wind from Hot Air.
Same goes for all of you who are on an emotional weather vane, dependent upon the latest "analysis" from AP or the CBO (staffed by WHO??? over the last four+ years?).
Don't like the way Boehner is handling it? What, your way worked out better in your infantile fantasies? Fine - don't let the screen door hit you on the way out. Be gone from us, depart from this party and form your own party of loud-mouthed idiots who never let ignorance stop them from expressing their opinions on a subject - or threatening those who disagree.
Go play "3rd Party" outside - the adults have work to do.
Well, if you wanted to treated seriously, you should have acted seriously instead blowing around in the wind from Hot Air.
Same goes for all of you who are on an emotional weather vane, dependent upon the latest "analysis" from AP or the CBO (staffed by WHO??? over the last four+ years?).
Don't like the way Boehner is handling it? What, your way worked out better in your infantile fantasies? Fine - don't let the screen door hit you on the way out. Be gone from us, depart from this party and form your own party of loud-mouthed idiots who never let ignorance stop them from expressing their opinions on a subject - or threatening those who disagree.
Go play "3rd Party" outside - the adults have work to do.
Posted by: Adjoran at April 14, 2011 03:36 PM (VfmLu)
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While I hope that everyone who voted for this piece of shit gets primaried and tossed, I am proud of my representative for voting against it. Scott Garrett (NJ05) is a budget stud, and if he weren't old, bald, ugly and a man, I would kiss him.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at April 14, 2011 03:37 PM (LH6ir)
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Still disheartened.
Posted by: toby928™S at April 14, 2011 03:37 PM (GTbGH)
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Some of the people who voted for the deal did it because the 2012 budget is their "hill to die-on".
At that point, the mood of the public is going to be very ugly and anti-incumbent.
At that point, the mood of the public is going to be very ugly and anti-incumbent.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at April 14, 2011 03:37 PM (LcINp)
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yes, its not perfect, ITS HORRIBLE! Its no where close to going in the right direction
Posted by: oic at April 14, 2011 03:37 PM (nPk/Y)
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#30
Miss'80s, I don't follow this as much as you, but it looks like the (D) appropriators made up a solid number of the (D)'s who voted for the bill. Is that right?
Miss'80s, I don't follow this as much as you, but it looks like the (D) appropriators made up a solid number of the (D)'s who voted for the bill. Is that right?
Posted by: Paper at April 14, 2011 03:37 PM (VoSja)
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""I am proud of my representative for voting against it. Scott Garrett (NJ05)""
What area of jersey is his district?
What area of jersey is his district?
Posted by: Berserker at April 14, 2011 03:38 PM (gWHrG)
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Don't like the way Boehner is handling it? What, your way worked out better in your infantile fantasies? Fine - don't let the screen door hit you on the way out. Be gone from us, depart from this party and form your own party of loud-mouthed idiots who never let ignorance stop them from expressing their opinions on a subject - or threatening those who disagree.
stick it adjoran.
stick it adjoran.
Posted by: willow at April 14, 2011 03:38 PM (h+qn8)
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Go play "3rd Party" outside - the adults have work to do.
If the FY12 budget is larger than the FY11 budget, what are you going to do?
If the FY12 budget is larger than the FY11 budget, what are you going to do?
Posted by: toby928™S at April 14, 2011 03:39 PM (GTbGH)
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Go play "3rd Party" outside - the adults have work to do.
Posted by: Adjoran at April 14, 2011 03:36 PM (VfmLu)
LOL. You really shouldn't take such pride in your stupidity.
Posted by: Adjoran at April 14, 2011 03:36 PM (VfmLu)
LOL. You really shouldn't take such pride in your stupidity.
Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 14, 2011 03:39 PM (G/MYk)
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Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 14, 2011 03:33 PM (8y9MW)
Republicans ousted Whigs in 4 years, if my recollection is accurate.
The only thing standing in the way of a 3rd party is 1) money, and 2) the ingrained farce, supported by the existing parties and the media, that a 3rd party is a joke.
Notice how the media and both parties go out of their way to exclude independent candidates from debates. Heck, try to get a reporter to a press conference if you don't have and R or D after your name.
The only time anyone gives coverage to a third party is if it's a clown like the Rent-Is-Too-Damn High guy, and then only because of the Charlie Sheen factor ratings bonanza of mocking the guy.
Republicans ousted Whigs in 4 years, if my recollection is accurate.
The only thing standing in the way of a 3rd party is 1) money, and 2) the ingrained farce, supported by the existing parties and the media, that a 3rd party is a joke.
Notice how the media and both parties go out of their way to exclude independent candidates from debates. Heck, try to get a reporter to a press conference if you don't have and R or D after your name.
The only time anyone gives coverage to a third party is if it's a clown like the Rent-Is-Too-Damn High guy, and then only because of the Charlie Sheen factor ratings bonanza of mocking the guy.
Posted by: Damiano at April 14, 2011 03:39 PM (3nrx7)
Posted by: uneducated joe at April 14, 2011 03:39 PM (fb52c)
Posted by: Soothsayer, Republican Whip at April 14, 2011 03:39 PM (uFokq)
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You know... apropos of nothing... whenever I hear someone say "The grown ups have work to do," or "the adults are in charge," or things along those lines, I get an image of a 12 year old girl trying to boss her brothers and cousins around "because I'm the oldest" and not having a freaking clue of how things actually work.
YMMV.
YMMV.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 14, 2011 03:41 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Snorting the NPR butt hash so you won't have to at April 14, 2011 03:41 PM (F/4zf)
Posted by: Soothsayer, Republican Whip at April 14, 2011 03:41 PM (uFokq)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at April 14, 2011 03:41 PM (LH6ir)
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Eh. If I were in the House, I'd have voted for it. It's a shit sandwich, but it's the only meal on the menu right now. I'm going to save my spittle for the bigger 2012 budget fight; this while imbroglio amounted to haggling over whether we were going to save a penny or a nickel anyhow.
My outrage-gland also needs to be replenished for the debt-limit battle. I plan on excreting a lot of DOOM!-related endorphins over that one.
My outrage-gland also needs to be replenished for the debt-limit battle. I plan on excreting a lot of DOOM!-related endorphins over that one.
Posted by: Monty at April 14, 2011 03:42 PM (4Pleu)
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46 #30 Miss'80s, I don't follow this as much as you, but it looks like the
(D) appropriators made up a solid number of the (D)'s who voted for the
bill. Is that right?
Sorry, I should have said the R appropriators suffered defections-- Flake, Kingston, Lewis, Rehberg, Graves, and Yoder.
(D) appropriators made up a solid number of the (D)'s who voted for the
bill. Is that right?
Sorry, I should have said the R appropriators suffered defections-- Flake, Kingston, Lewis, Rehberg, Graves, and Yoder.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 14, 2011 03:42 PM (uVLrI)
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The FY2012 budget is smaller, but the deficit is going to be around $1 trillion.
Is this enough as it exists right now to make a majority of people in the House happy? I actually think so.
Will it be enough after negotiations with the Senate and White House take out the ObamaCare defunding, move the Medicare and Medicaid battles to different legislation and cuts some of the cuts? I just don't know.
Again, the debt ceiling is a non-starter when we passa budget with a $1 trillion deficit.
Is this enough as it exists right now to make a majority of people in the House happy? I actually think so.
Will it be enough after negotiations with the Senate and White House take out the ObamaCare defunding, move the Medicare and Medicaid battles to different legislation and cuts some of the cuts? I just don't know.
Again, the debt ceiling is a non-starter when we passa budget with a $1 trillion deficit.
Posted by: Paper at April 14, 2011 03:42 PM (VoSja)
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Completely off topic, and funny as hell. (Also, I wish I'd thought of this)
http://tinyurl.com/5rhlqp9
http://tinyurl.com/5rhlqp9
Posted by: DngrMse at April 14, 2011 03:42 PM (aaW0M)
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Posted by: Adjoran at April 14, 2011 03:36 PM (VfmLu)
is this ass clown serious? dude I have been becking the GOP and forgiving them for dumb move after dumb move but now we are on the verge of collapse and i'm worried if anyone gets the problem we're facing, we're concerned that's all and we have a right to be. don't EVER put me in w/ the Tepid Air crowd I despise so much; there is a real chaotic problem being ignored here; don't like our concerns? go elsewhere douchebag
is this ass clown serious? dude I have been becking the GOP and forgiving them for dumb move after dumb move but now we are on the verge of collapse and i'm worried if anyone gets the problem we're facing, we're concerned that's all and we have a right to be. don't EVER put me in w/ the Tepid Air crowd I despise so much; there is a real chaotic problem being ignored here; don't like our concerns? go elsewhere douchebag
Posted by: YRM (Just Sick Of It, Just Sick Of It All) at April 14, 2011 03:42 PM (UzBwz)
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Posted by: Snorting the NPR butt hash so you won't have to at April 14, 2011 03:41 PM (F/4zf)
Hmmm... I'd think they'd be fairly conservative up that way (is Lubbock in your district, or does it have its own?). I'm sure there's someone who could be convinced. A local business man or rancher, maybe?
Hmmm... I'd think they'd be fairly conservative up that way (is Lubbock in your district, or does it have its own?). I'm sure there's someone who could be convinced. A local business man or rancher, maybe?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 14, 2011 03:43 PM (8y9MW)
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21 Bottom line: Will the federal government spend less money in 2011 than they did in 2010? Have they ever spent less from 1 year to the next? When? (I think after WWI and WWII.)If my thinking is right then a cut of 1 cent would be the largest cut since 1950.
Posted by: zmdavid at April 14, 2011 03:30 PM (Urkrx)
And the answer to your question, is NO... when you factor in the unrealistic 50 billion dollar DECREASE in Interest on an expanding debt (by their own numbers, somehow we owe more, but pay less in interst, when rates are rising, not falling)... We spend more...
Posted by: zmdavid at April 14, 2011 03:30 PM (Urkrx)
And the answer to your question, is NO... when you factor in the unrealistic 50 billion dollar DECREASE in Interest on an expanding debt (by their own numbers, somehow we owe more, but pay less in interst, when rates are rising, not falling)... We spend more...
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 14, 2011 03:43 PM (NtXW4)
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I'd be the first one to admit that it's flawed," Boehner said
John, you were actually the last person to admit it was flawed. The CBO beat you to it. You were out pouring Gatorade over your head talking about how awesome you did.
There will be no deficit reduction so long as Boehner is the face of the GOP.
John, you were actually the last person to admit it was flawed. The CBO beat you to it. You were out pouring Gatorade over your head talking about how awesome you did.
There will be no deficit reduction so long as Boehner is the face of the GOP.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 14, 2011 03:43 PM (TpXEI)
Posted by: sifty at April 14, 2011 03:44 PM (wqnZl)
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Okay Boehner, you compromised like I knew you would. Now get to work and make some real cuts. Let me just say the Natives are getting restless, and you're in our sights.Oh, I can't say sights, so how about crosshairs? Nope can't say that either. Just say we're watching you. Too stalkerish? Damn, just shit or get off the pot.
Posted by: Donna at April 14, 2011 03:44 PM (bdE9c)
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Don't like the way Boehner is handling it?
What, your way worked out better in your infantile fantasies? Fine -
don't let the screen door hit you on the way out. Be gone from us,
depart from this party and form your own party of loud-mouthed idiots
who never let ignorance stop them from expressing their opinions on a
subject - or threatening those who disagree.
Go play "3rd Party" outside - the adults have work to do.
Posted by: Adjoran at April 14, 2011 03:36 PM (VfmLu)
Hey, don't take it out on the rest of us just because the GOP is laying down to play dead. Work out your resentment issues with them instead, eh?
Don't like the way Boehner is handling it?
What, your way worked out better in your infantile fantasies? Fine -
don't let the screen door hit you on the way out. Be gone from us,
depart from this party and form your own party of loud-mouthed idiots
who never let ignorance stop them from expressing their opinions on a
subject - or threatening those who disagree.
Go play "3rd Party" outside - the adults have work to do.
Posted by: Adjoran at April 14, 2011 03:36 PM (VfmLu)
Hey, don't take it out on the rest of us just because the GOP is laying down to play dead. Work out your resentment issues with them instead, eh?
Posted by: KinleyArdal at April 14, 2011 03:44 PM (i4EAV)
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Third Party? That's defeatist. We need a new First Party.
Posted by: zmdavid at April 14, 2011 03:44 PM (Urkrx)
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Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 14, 2011 03:41 PM (8y9MW)
You think that adjoran is 12? Those are big words for a 12-year old. I'm guessing at least 14.
You think that adjoran is 12? Those are big words for a 12-year old. I'm guessing at least 14.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at April 14, 2011 03:44 PM (LH6ir)
Posted by: sifty at April 14, 2011 03:44 PM (wqnZl)
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>>Go play "3rd Party" outside - the adults have work to do.
Work? I come here to avoid work. I was told there was no math and no work here.
Work? I come here to avoid work. I was told there was no math and no work here.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 14, 2011 03:45 PM (TMB3S)
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Kabuki.
Mr. ManTan colluded with the Democrats that they would wail and moan and gnash their teeth so he could con the base (that's US) that the shell game meant something.
Fuck Boehner.
Mr. ManTan colluded with the Democrats that they would wail and moan and gnash their teeth so he could con the base (that's US) that the shell game meant something.
Fuck Boehner.
Posted by: nickless at April 14, 2011 03:45 PM (ZHZdZ)
Posted by: toby928™ at April 14, 2011 03:45 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Soothsayer, Republican Whip at April 14, 2011 03:46 PM (uFokq)
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Go play "3rd Party" outside - the adults have work to do.
Posted by: Adjoran at April 14, 2011 03:36 PM (VfmLu)
So your message is: the GOP must compromise with the Dems and politics is the art of the possible...
...but I will fight you guys to the ends of the earth.
Is Adjoran actually a Congressman?
Posted by: Adjoran at April 14, 2011 03:36 PM (VfmLu)
So your message is: the GOP must compromise with the Dems and politics is the art of the possible...
...but I will fight you guys to the ends of the earth.
Is Adjoran actually a Congressman?
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 14, 2011 03:46 PM (TpXEI)
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Here's the problem for me.
Ryan's budget (with the $1 trillion deficit) only makes sense if we get the Medicare, Medicaid, ObamaCare changes. I don't think we are going to get that because of the whole not having the Presidency.
Without the entitlement changes, the budget is ok compared to the past few years, but really not that great. Shouldn't we be pushing for more cuts if we have to compromise on the entitlement changes? If we lose on the entitlements (and it is going to be hard to win), I would really like more baseline budget cuts.
Ryan's budget (with the $1 trillion deficit) only makes sense if we get the Medicare, Medicaid, ObamaCare changes. I don't think we are going to get that because of the whole not having the Presidency.
Without the entitlement changes, the budget is ok compared to the past few years, but really not that great. Shouldn't we be pushing for more cuts if we have to compromise on the entitlement changes? If we lose on the entitlements (and it is going to be hard to win), I would really like more baseline budget cuts.
Posted by: Paper at April 14, 2011 03:46 PM (VoSja)
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Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at April 14, 2011 03:44 PM (LH6ir)
Yeah. By 14, most of them have figured out that the boys are bigger than them. "Oldest" is trumped by "biggest," but most 12 year olds haven't figured that part out.
Yeah. By 14, most of them have figured out that the boys are bigger than them. "Oldest" is trumped by "biggest," but most 12 year olds haven't figured that part out.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 14, 2011 03:46 PM (8y9MW)
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Third Party? That's defeatist. We need a new First Party.
Posted by: zmdavid at April 14, 2011 03:44 PM (Urkrx)
Why bother, just vote democratic. You don't have to spend a bunch of money and time and you get the same result.
Posted by: zmdavid at April 14, 2011 03:44 PM (Urkrx)
Why bother, just vote democratic. You don't have to spend a bunch of money and time and you get the same result.
Posted by: robtr who witnessed the last third party at April 14, 2011 03:46 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: Eric Idle at April 14, 2011 03:46 PM (fb52c)
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I agree with Monty. Will add that this does indeed show that Boehner, Cantor, and McCarthy are in trouble but I hope to see a more united front for the 2012 budget vote tomorrow. But I really do think the Speaker is indeed in danger of something akin to a no-confidence measure.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 14, 2011 03:46 PM (uVLrI)
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Go play "3rd Party" outside - the adults have work to do.
Posted by: Adjoran at April 14, 2011 03:36 PM (VfmLu)
You know... we said that once...
Posted by: Adjoran at April 14, 2011 03:36 PM (VfmLu)
You know... we said that once...
Posted by: Whig at April 14, 2011 03:47 PM (NtXW4)
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Hmmm... I'd think they'd be fairly conservative up that way
Thornberry is/was one of the most conservative reps in the house. This year, he's been feeding us the party line soup about how great these microscopic cuts are.
Thornberry is/was one of the most conservative reps in the house. This year, he's been feeding us the party line soup about how great these microscopic cuts are.
Posted by: Snorting the NPR butt hash so you won't have to at April 14, 2011 03:47 PM (F/4zf)
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#59
Oh, I wasn't even thinking about that. Good to see that some Republican appropriators may be starting to get the message.
I was just struck by how stuck the Dems are on keeping the status quo. I'm sure they love how the heavy lifting was done by the appropriators themselves and would love to engage in some 'deficit reduction'.
Oh, I wasn't even thinking about that. Good to see that some Republican appropriators may be starting to get the message.
I was just struck by how stuck the Dems are on keeping the status quo. I'm sure they love how the heavy lifting was done by the appropriators themselves and would love to engage in some 'deficit reduction'.
Posted by: Paper at April 14, 2011 03:48 PM (VoSja)
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>>> Trolls have been heckling me a lot, lately.Is it my after shave?
It's the trail of Troll Treats that you leave behind you - they love 'em.
It's the trail of Troll Treats that you leave behind you - they love 'em.
Posted by: Roadking at April 14, 2011 03:48 PM (IEK6Y)
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Without the entitlement changes, the budget is ok compared to the past
few years, but really not that great. Shouldn't we be pushing for more
cuts if we have to compromise on the entitlement changes? If we lose on
the entitlements (and it is going to be hard to win), I would really
like more baseline budget cuts.
Possibly, but that's during negotiation- and you really shouldn't telegraph your moves.
Of course, that would also require intestinal fortitude, and all our Reps seem to have is intestinal fart-itude.
few years, but really not that great. Shouldn't we be pushing for more
cuts if we have to compromise on the entitlement changes? If we lose on
the entitlements (and it is going to be hard to win), I would really
like more baseline budget cuts.
Possibly, but that's during negotiation- and you really shouldn't telegraph your moves.
Of course, that would also require intestinal fortitude, and all our Reps seem to have is intestinal fart-itude.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 14, 2011 03:48 PM (8y9MW)
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Adjoran is consistent. Wrong, but entitled to his stupid opinion. And the fact is that we have lots of Adjorans in the Republican party willing to carry their water and never hold them to a high standard.
Adjoran is okay, generally. He's like Jeff B but not as uncouth.
Adjoran is consistent. Wrong, but entitled to his stupid opinion. And the fact is that we have lots of Adjorans in the Republican party willing to carry their water and never hold them to a high standard.
Adjoran is okay, generally. He's like Jeff B but not as uncouth.
Posted by: Soothsayer, Republican Whip at April 14, 2011 03:48 PM (uFokq)
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The 'Adults' cut piddling millions against $1.5 trillion in fuckery.
When do they actually do this work they're supposed to be doing?
When do they actually do this work they're supposed to be doing?
Posted by: nickless at April 14, 2011 03:49 PM (ZHZdZ)
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Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 14, 2011 03:46 PM (8y9MW)
Good point. So, using your logic, how old is Boehner acting?
Good point. So, using your logic, how old is Boehner acting?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at April 14, 2011 03:49 PM (LH6ir)
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Why bother, just vote democratic. You don't have to spend a bunch of money and time and you get the same result.
Posted by: robtr who witnessed the last third party at April 14, 2011 03:46 PM (MtwBb)
Yep. If it weren't for Republicans, the deficit would be .33 billion dollars higher right now. We can't give that kind of power up.
Posted by: robtr who witnessed the last third party at April 14, 2011 03:46 PM (MtwBb)
Yep. If it weren't for Republicans, the deficit would be .33 billion dollars higher right now. We can't give that kind of power up.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 14, 2011 03:49 PM (TpXEI)
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#86
Yeah, I get that, and I don't expect to know everything going on. It is just hard when you are just waiting to be blindsided.
Yeah, I get that, and I don't expect to know everything going on. It is just hard when you are just waiting to be blindsided.
Posted by: Paper at April 14, 2011 03:49 PM (VoSja)
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Good point. So, using your logic, how old is Boehner acting?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at April 14, 2011 03:49 PM (LH6ir)
He cries like a 7 year old.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at April 14, 2011 03:49 PM (LH6ir)
He cries like a 7 year old.
Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 14, 2011 03:50 PM (G/MYk)
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Posted by: Snorting the NPR butt hash so you won't have to at April 14, 2011 03:47 PM (F/4zf)
Well, then, it sounds like what he needs is a "firm" primary challenge- someone who probably won't win, but could come close enough that Thornberry can't just ignore the race. Make it a "shot across his bow."
Well, then, it sounds like what he needs is a "firm" primary challenge- someone who probably won't win, but could come close enough that Thornberry can't just ignore the race. Make it a "shot across his bow."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 14, 2011 03:50 PM (8y9MW)
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>>But I really do think the Speaker is indeed in danger of something akin to a no-confidence measure.
Not even close.
http://tinyurl.com/3k3xjw5
Not even close.
http://tinyurl.com/3k3xjw5
Posted by: JackStraw at April 14, 2011 03:51 PM (TMB3S)
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If we can't get a no-confidence vote for Beohner, can we at least get Allen West to cockpunch him and give him a quick knee to the face on the front steps of the Lincoln Memorial during a press conference.
Full Contact Congress: Watch It!
Full Contact Congress: Watch It!
Posted by: sifty at April 14, 2011 03:51 PM (wqnZl)
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everyone just calm down! we're really gonna stick it to them next time, trust me.
Posted by: Stupid Republican Who Can't See the Forrest for the Trees at April 14, 2011 03:51 PM (473WA)
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Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at April 14, 2011 03:49 PM (LH6ir)
Like a 19 year old with parents paying for college. "Mom, I promise I'll study, but the guys just Had to go to that party, and I had to be the Designated Driver. Well, yeah, it was on campus. Why do you ask?"
Like a 19 year old with parents paying for college. "Mom, I promise I'll study, but the guys just Had to go to that party, and I had to be the Designated Driver. Well, yeah, it was on campus. Why do you ask?"
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 14, 2011 03:52 PM (8y9MW)
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This deal like cost us, in hard cash dolars, than what it saves.
Meh, ya takes what ya gets. At least we're talking about it. Hopefully this is the tip of the iceburg. An historical turning point? I pray it to be so, but, in reality...........we're likely fucked.
Meh, ya takes what ya gets. At least we're talking about it. Hopefully this is the tip of the iceburg. An historical turning point? I pray it to be so, but, in reality...........we're likely fucked.
Posted by: hutch1200 at April 14, 2011 03:52 PM (60+GD)
Posted by: John Boehner at April 14, 2011 03:53 PM (473WA)
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CBO says federal outlays reduced by an estimated $20 to $25 billion. That's horrible in the grand scheme of things but I frankly don't think Boehner could have done better. Not a compliment.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 14, 2011 03:54 PM (uVLrI)
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in b4 the sensible Republican who admonishes everyone for being too extreme
you know, the guy who says, "Calm down everyone and shut up; you're both wrong!"
in b4 the sensible Republican who admonishes everyone for being too extreme
you know, the guy who says, "Calm down everyone and shut up; you're both wrong!"
Posted by: Soothsayer, Republican Whip at April 14, 2011 03:54 PM (uFokq)
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I haven't had the heart to read today's Four Montys of the Apocalypse post.
Posted by: toby928™ at April 14, 2011 03:54 PM (GTbGH)
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Miss'80sBaby ....+1
Posted by: hutch1200 at April 14, 2011 03:55 PM (60+GD)
Posted by: nickless at April 14, 2011 03:55 PM (ZHZdZ)
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This deal like cost us more, in hard cash dolars, than what it saves.
It hurt us politically, too. We got dinged; now we look weak and the base is demoralized.
This deal like cost us more, in hard cash dolars, than what it saves.
It hurt us politically, too. We got dinged; now we look weak and the base is demoralized.
Posted by: Soothsayer, Republican Whip at April 14, 2011 03:56 PM (uFokq)
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OK, we need to cut spending by100 Billion THIS year!!!!
Would you believe... 61 Billion?
How about 38 Billion???
Can we do... oh... 345 Million in savings???
OK, OK, our Final Offer, lets increase spending by a couple of hundred Billion but you act really mad, so my Boss's won't get ticked at me...
Would you believe... 61 Billion?
How about 38 Billion???
Can we do... oh... 345 Million in savings???
OK, OK, our Final Offer, lets increase spending by a couple of hundred Billion but you act really mad, so my Boss's won't get ticked at me...
Posted by: House Speaker Boned'her at April 14, 2011 03:56 PM (NtXW4)
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Likely this whole thing is just too complicated for anyone outside of Washington, D.C.'s power players to understand.
We all should just calm down and let these nice folks do their jobs.
I'm sure if we get too involved it would just gum everything up.
We all should just calm down and let these nice folks do their jobs.
I'm sure if we get too involved it would just gum everything up.
Posted by: self hating Republican who self hates at April 14, 2011 03:56 PM (wqnZl)
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Ace, you know why the democrats are able to spin this as a win?
BECAUSE CONSERVATIVES IMMEDIATELY GET ON RADIO AND TV AND SAY WE DIDN'T WIN!!!!
If everyone had said, good first try, but we need more, the democrats wouldn't have had an opening.
And the AP, which KNOWS what suckers the GOP is, dutifully prints how BAD the deal is and of course, everyone jumps on the bandwagon.
The very first thing everyone needs to do is realize how we get played by the press, every single time. I can't count how many times the radio and blogs go ape-shit crazy over something in the New York Times or AP. The leftist press DOES THIS AS AN INYENTIONAL PLAN, becausethey know we will turn on our guys in a heartbeat.
And that is my other complaint, which I believe I said two days ago. If Boehner is trashed for everything he does, why should he continue to listen to us?
Mr. Limbaugh and Mr. Levin had better think about that as well. And another thing, REAGAN said that "you take what you can get and then go back for more." Reagan specifically said that he had trouble with conservatives that didn't understand this principle of governing.
That is the end of my rant.
BECAUSE CONSERVATIVES IMMEDIATELY GET ON RADIO AND TV AND SAY WE DIDN'T WIN!!!!
If everyone had said, good first try, but we need more, the democrats wouldn't have had an opening.
And the AP, which KNOWS what suckers the GOP is, dutifully prints how BAD the deal is and of course, everyone jumps on the bandwagon.
The very first thing everyone needs to do is realize how we get played by the press, every single time. I can't count how many times the radio and blogs go ape-shit crazy over something in the New York Times or AP. The leftist press DOES THIS AS AN INYENTIONAL PLAN, becausethey know we will turn on our guys in a heartbeat.
And that is my other complaint, which I believe I said two days ago. If Boehner is trashed for everything he does, why should he continue to listen to us?
Mr. Limbaugh and Mr. Levin had better think about that as well. And another thing, REAGAN said that "you take what you can get and then go back for more." Reagan specifically said that he had trouble with conservatives that didn't understand this principle of governing.
That is the end of my rant.
Posted by: Miss Marple at April 14, 2011 03:57 PM (Fo83G)
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94 Not even close.
http://tinyurl.com/3k3xjw5
But when you're regularly bleeding votes the way he is*, you're in trouble. Same goes for McCarthy because he's the whip and he's not getting results. Even some people who voted for this are furious because Boehner botched the first bit, then completely blew the explanation. He should have differentiated between the accounting terms.
*Which I believe his CR instinct was correct
http://tinyurl.com/3k3xjw5
But when you're regularly bleeding votes the way he is*, you're in trouble. Same goes for McCarthy because he's the whip and he's not getting results. Even some people who voted for this are furious because Boehner botched the first bit, then completely blew the explanation. He should have differentiated between the accounting terms.
*Which I believe his CR instinct was correct
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 14, 2011 03:59 PM (uVLrI)
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Yep. If it weren't for Republicans, the deficit would be .33 billion dollars higher right now. We can't give that kind of power up.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 14, 2011 03:49 PM (TpXEI)
It may have been even less with democrats. If they still had the house and a philibuster proof senate and the president they would have taxed our way out of this.
Raising taxes on the rich another 10% like they want to do would have decreased the deficit $160 Billion, of course they probably would have spent most of that but even if they didn't that would a brought the deficit all the way down to $1.5 Trillion and they would be taking victory laps.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 14, 2011 03:49 PM (TpXEI)
It may have been even less with democrats. If they still had the house and a philibuster proof senate and the president they would have taxed our way out of this.
Raising taxes on the rich another 10% like they want to do would have decreased the deficit $160 Billion, of course they probably would have spent most of that but even if they didn't that would a brought the deficit all the way down to $1.5 Trillion and they would be taking victory laps.
Posted by: robtr at April 14, 2011 04:00 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 14, 2011 04:00 PM (NtXW4)
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111 UH.... thats 20-25 OVER 10 YEARS!
I know, which is why I added that it was horrible in the grand scheme of things.
I know, which is why I added that it was horrible in the grand scheme of things.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 14, 2011 04:02 PM (uVLrI)
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61 Completely off topic, and funny as hell. (Also, I wish I'd thought of this)http://tinyurl.com/5rhlqp9
Posted by: DngrMse
OK, That was BRILLIANT! and the comments are even funnier.
Posted by: DngrMse
OK, That was BRILLIANT! and the comments are even funnier.
Posted by: todler at April 14, 2011 04:03 PM (fPOY0)
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GRENADE PARTY!
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 14, 2011 04:03 PM (bxiXv)
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Do the constiuents of AZ 8, get to have a Congressional Representative?
If Gabby Giffords cannot do her job, then she must step down!
If she cannot vote on important legislation, then how can her staff pretend to offer "services"?
Sorry.
I'll be the "mean" one.
It has to be said!
Gabe Zimmerman was always wrong but a good guy...
Now we have half-assed, Gabe Zimmermans running the show here in Tucson and in DC.!
Not acceptable.
If Gabby Giffords cannot do her job, then she must step down!
If she cannot vote on important legislation, then how can her staff pretend to offer "services"?
Sorry.
I'll be the "mean" one.
It has to be said!
Gabe Zimmerman was always wrong but a good guy...
Now we have half-assed, Gabe Zimmermans running the show here in Tucson and in DC.!
Not acceptable.
Posted by: Deety at April 14, 2011 04:03 PM (Jb3+B)
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Democrats spun it as a partial victory and/or sign the Republicans
aren't very serious about budget cutting -- which is, of course, not
really spin so much as a plausible read of the situation.
Yes, they are correct. Since obviously the CR was not the hill to die on we now get to see what Boner will do with the 2012 budget. If that post with the actual numbers in the previous thread was correct we are already starting from a losing position.
The 2012 budget and the debt limits are the hill to die on people. As far as I am concerned if they don't fight those battles to the death then the Republican Party is dead. They can go the way of the Whigs which they replaced.
aren't very serious about budget cutting -- which is, of course, not
really spin so much as a plausible read of the situation.
Yes, they are correct. Since obviously the CR was not the hill to die on we now get to see what Boner will do with the 2012 budget. If that post with the actual numbers in the previous thread was correct we are already starting from a losing position.
The 2012 budget and the debt limits are the hill to die on people. As far as I am concerned if they don't fight those battles to the death then the Republican Party is dead. They can go the way of the Whigs which they replaced.
Posted by: Vic at April 14, 2011 04:03 PM (M9Ie6)
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>>But when you're regularly bleeding votes the way he is*, you're in trouble. Same goes for McCarthy because he's the whip and he's not getting results. Even some people who voted for this are furious because Boehner botched the first bit, then completely blew the explanation. He should have differentiated between the accounting terms.
A lot of people who didn't vote for this were not a surprise. This is the whole point of having a Whip, vote counting. Once Boehner knew he had enough votes he allows those who need to vote no for their constituents to leave the team.
Look, everyone knows this deal isn't going to make the base jump for joy and will make many irate. Some people think it would have been better strategy to shut the gov't down on this vote rather than take a bite and get ready for the next few rounds. I don't. But much of this is kabuki, Boehner knew he had the votes last Friday. A lot of those defections were just for show.
A lot of people who didn't vote for this were not a surprise. This is the whole point of having a Whip, vote counting. Once Boehner knew he had enough votes he allows those who need to vote no for their constituents to leave the team.
Look, everyone knows this deal isn't going to make the base jump for joy and will make many irate. Some people think it would have been better strategy to shut the gov't down on this vote rather than take a bite and get ready for the next few rounds. I don't. But much of this is kabuki, Boehner knew he had the votes last Friday. A lot of those defections were just for show.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 14, 2011 04:04 PM (TMB3S)
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If Boehner is trashed for everything he does, why should he continue to listen to us?
This is not a compelling argument. 1) Boehner is elected to his office and will lose if conservatives abandon him, and 2) Boehner can't be speaker if conservatives abandon the GOP.
The peoples' relationship with their congressmen should be like Cortes' relationship with Montezuma - we hold their feet over the fire while they give us what we want of them.
I don't care if John Boehner hates us, so long as he does what we want.
This is not a compelling argument. 1) Boehner is elected to his office and will lose if conservatives abandon him, and 2) Boehner can't be speaker if conservatives abandon the GOP.
The peoples' relationship with their congressmen should be like Cortes' relationship with Montezuma - we hold their feet over the fire while they give us what we want of them.
I don't care if John Boehner hates us, so long as he does what we want.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 14, 2011 04:04 PM (TpXEI)
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Good for Boehner. His comments were on point.
Posted by: swamp_yankee at April 14, 2011 04:06 PM (ZIpcL)
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John Boehner does not have to invite me over for cigars, scotch and whores in his DC condo to keep my support.
He DOES have to negotiate the way I want him to in order to have my support.
I'm fair like that.
He DOES have to negotiate the way I want him to in order to have my support.
I'm fair like that.
Posted by: sifty at April 14, 2011 04:07 PM (wqnZl)
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117
A lot of people who didn't vote for this were not a surprise. This is
the whole point of having a Whip, vote counting. Once Boehner knew he
had enough votes he allows those who need to vote no for their
constituents to leave the team....
I'll grant you that, though it was surprising that he voted. The worst part of it all is that a majority of the people pushing a deal were the ones who voted against this. I also agree that some of the defections were for show, because some of those people are running for higher offices and they needed to make that no vote. But they never should have abandoned a working strategy. Now the base is confused and demoralized while some of these lawmakers are trying to fight for 2012, and that's troubling.
A lot of people who didn't vote for this were not a surprise. This is
the whole point of having a Whip, vote counting. Once Boehner knew he
had enough votes he allows those who need to vote no for their
constituents to leave the team....
I'll grant you that, though it was surprising that he voted. The worst part of it all is that a majority of the people pushing a deal were the ones who voted against this. I also agree that some of the defections were for show, because some of those people are running for higher offices and they needed to make that no vote. But they never should have abandoned a working strategy. Now the base is confused and demoralized while some of these lawmakers are trying to fight for 2012, and that's troubling.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 14, 2011 04:11 PM (uVLrI)
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Posted by: Deety at April 14, 2011 04:03 PM (Jb3+B)
100% agreed.
Elected office is the only position on earth that you get to keep, whether you show up or not.
What little, shriveled heart I have goes out to Giffords, but the fact remains that she is not physically able to perform her sworn duties. I hope that she get's better and, if she is inclined and able, can run for office again in 2012 or later years.
The same goes for people like Byrd, Kennedy, and the endless parade of others that we too ill to do their jobs for extended periods.
My opinion is that all elected officials get one week of sick days per year. Maybe two weeks. If you miss more than that, you're out. Period.While we're at it, we might as well include the rest of the perfectly healthy scumbags who simply choose to go to fundraisers, parties, or just plain not show up. Again, show me another job where simply showing up at least 70% of the time means that you're above average.
These fucks only work 4 days a week, on average anyhow and have a schedule that makes a grade school teacher's look like slavery.
Posted by: Deety at April 14, 2011 04:03 PM (Jb3+B)
100% agreed.
Elected office is the only position on earth that you get to keep, whether you show up or not.
What little, shriveled heart I have goes out to Giffords, but the fact remains that she is not physically able to perform her sworn duties. I hope that she get's better and, if she is inclined and able, can run for office again in 2012 or later years.
The same goes for people like Byrd, Kennedy, and the endless parade of others that we too ill to do their jobs for extended periods.
My opinion is that all elected officials get one week of sick days per year. Maybe two weeks. If you miss more than that, you're out. Period.While we're at it, we might as well include the rest of the perfectly healthy scumbags who simply choose to go to fundraisers, parties, or just plain not show up. Again, show me another job where simply showing up at least 70% of the time means that you're above average.
These fucks only work 4 days a week, on average anyhow and have a schedule that makes a grade school teacher's look like slavery.
Posted by: Damiano at April 14, 2011 04:12 PM (3nrx7)
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It may have been even less with democrats. If they still had the house
and a philibuster proof senate and the president they would have taxed
our way out of this.
Does it really matter at this point that they would be accelerating toward a brick wall slightly faster than we are now?
and a philibuster proof senate and the president they would have taxed
our way out of this.
Does it really matter at this point that they would be accelerating toward a brick wall slightly faster than we are now?
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 14, 2011 04:13 PM (TpXEI)
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Boehner said he wishes more cuts could have been achieved, and hinted
that more would be coming. "Does it cut enough? No. Do I wish it cut
more? Absolutely. And do we need to cut more? Absolutely."
Wasn't there a Seinfeld episode in which Elaine and Jerry are waiting out the breakup of a couple... with one of them played by Val Kilmer?
Did he intersperse his conversations with questions? I think so. Didn't he wind up answering them himself? Yes, that's what I recall. Does it remind you of Boehner? Absolutely.
that more would be coming. "Does it cut enough? No. Do I wish it cut
more? Absolutely. And do we need to cut more? Absolutely."
Wasn't there a Seinfeld episode in which Elaine and Jerry are waiting out the breakup of a couple... with one of them played by Val Kilmer?
Did he intersperse his conversations with questions? I think so. Didn't he wind up answering them himself? Yes, that's what I recall. Does it remind you of Boehner? Absolutely.
Posted by: Y-not at April 14, 2011 04:14 PM (pW2o8)
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>>Now the base is confused and demoralized while some of these lawmakers are trying to fight for 2012, and that's troubling.
The 2012 budget comes into play tomorrow. By Monday, today's vote will be a distant memory.
Unless Republicans decide to go belly up. Then we really are scrod.
The 2012 budget comes into play tomorrow. By Monday, today's vote will be a distant memory.
Unless Republicans decide to go belly up. Then we really are scrod.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 14, 2011 04:14 PM (TMB3S)
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108 Ace, you know why the democrats are able to spin this as a win?BECAUSE CONSERVATIVES IMMEDIATELY GET ON RADIO AND TV AND SAY WE DIDN'T WIN!!!!If everyone had said, good first try, but we need more, the democrats wouldn't have had an opening.And the AP, which KNOWS what suckers the GOP is, dutifully prints how BAD the deal is and of course, everyone jumps on the bandwagon.The very first thing everyone needs to do is realize how we get played by the press, every single time. I can't count how many times the radio and blogs go ape-shit crazy over something in the New York Times or AP. The leftist press DOES THIS AS AN INYENTIONAL PLAN, becausethey know we will turn on our guys in a heartbeat.And that is my other complaint, which I believe I said two days ago. If Boehner is trashed for everything he does, why should he continue to listen to us?Mr. Limbaugh and Mr. Levin had better think about that as well. And another thing, REAGAN said that "you take what you can get and then go back for more." Reagan specifically said that he had trouble with conservatives that didn't understand this principle of governing.That is the end of my rant.
Posted by: Miss Marple at April 14, 2011 03:57 PM (Fo83G)
so much here, where to start?
First, love ya Miss Marple, your'e a tough lady and i admire that.
2. none of our elected leaders have been saying we lost, all that noise is coming from the base, they say it because it's true. you can't "it's a good first try" when we got raped and then brutalized.
3. we know the press is trying to drive a wedge between the rank and file and the leadership, if the leadership wasn't so feckless and inept, there would be no room for a wedge.
4. Boehner listens to us or looses his job, all of them will listen or we will gradually pick everyone of them off over the course of the next few primary seasons.
5. Rush, Sean Mark are following the base and speaking for us, the only thing they need to think about is how to pile on even more.
6. Ronald Reagan is DEAD, he can't help us now.
Posted by: Miss Marple at April 14, 2011 03:57 PM (Fo83G)
so much here, where to start?
First, love ya Miss Marple, your'e a tough lady and i admire that.
2. none of our elected leaders have been saying we lost, all that noise is coming from the base, they say it because it's true. you can't "it's a good first try" when we got raped and then brutalized.
3. we know the press is trying to drive a wedge between the rank and file and the leadership, if the leadership wasn't so feckless and inept, there would be no room for a wedge.
4. Boehner listens to us or looses his job, all of them will listen or we will gradually pick everyone of them off over the course of the next few primary seasons.
5. Rush, Sean Mark are following the base and speaking for us, the only thing they need to think about is how to pile on even more.
6. Ronald Reagan is DEAD, he can't help us now.
Posted by: Shoey at April 14, 2011 04:15 PM (473WA)
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@2 http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll268.xml
I see Chaffetz voted against it. Thankfully.
Also, West (I assume, Allen) and Cantor.
I see Chaffetz voted against it. Thankfully.
Also, West (I assume, Allen) and Cantor.
Posted by: Y-not at April 14, 2011 04:16 PM (pW2o8)
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Miss80s, so what it your analysis, politically, of how all of this will work?
I already think that the debt ceiling will be a non-event or a small event.
I feel like I follow these things closely, and I had no idea that the Ryan budget was going to have a $1trillion deficit next fiscal year. Did other people know this you think or will this be cause for more frustration with Republicans?
I seriously think that Republicans need to be more concerned about keeping their base together for what will be a base Presidential election in 2012. I think that means less compromise and firmer stances. I'm afraid that being lukewarm will cause them to lose the budget battles between now and September while also sucking the life out of Republican and Tea Party independent voters.
Miss80s, so what it your analysis, politically, of how all of this will work?
I already think that the debt ceiling will be a non-event or a small event.
I feel like I follow these things closely, and I had no idea that the Ryan budget was going to have a $1trillion deficit next fiscal year. Did other people know this you think or will this be cause for more frustration with Republicans?
I seriously think that Republicans need to be more concerned about keeping their base together for what will be a base Presidential election in 2012. I think that means less compromise and firmer stances. I'm afraid that being lukewarm will cause them to lose the budget battles between now and September while also sucking the life out of Republican and Tea Party independent voters.
Posted by: Paper at April 14, 2011 04:17 PM (VoSja)
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120
John Boehner does not have to invite me over for cigars, scotch and whores in his DC condo to keep my support.
He DOES have to negotiate the way I want him to in order to have my support.
I'm fair like that.
Posted by: sifty at April 14, 2011 04:07 PM (wqnZl)
Agreed. Heck, I'll be even more generous.
I hired Boehner on the basis that he'd get specific, measurable results. He said that he'd could give me $100 billion back. That's what I expect. It's not as if he were new to the position and didn't know the challenges.
But I'm reasonable. If he got me 90% or even 80% by the deadline, with the commitment of the remaining 100% by the next deadline, I'd give him a pass... but he sure and fuck wouldn't be employee of the month.
He's done neither. He delivered... if I am charitable... less than 0.30% of what he was hired to do. Then he shows up in my office saying that it was the best he could manage and offering up excuses on why he won't be able to deliver on upcoming projects either. Then he demands to be employee of the month and starts throwing a temper tantrum that I tell him he's an imbecile.
Hey Boehner: 1. You're fired. 2. I will see in in court for damages, you incompetent fuck.
John Boehner does not have to invite me over for cigars, scotch and whores in his DC condo to keep my support.
He DOES have to negotiate the way I want him to in order to have my support.
I'm fair like that.
Posted by: sifty at April 14, 2011 04:07 PM (wqnZl)
Agreed. Heck, I'll be even more generous.
I hired Boehner on the basis that he'd get specific, measurable results. He said that he'd could give me $100 billion back. That's what I expect. It's not as if he were new to the position and didn't know the challenges.
But I'm reasonable. If he got me 90% or even 80% by the deadline, with the commitment of the remaining 100% by the next deadline, I'd give him a pass... but he sure and fuck wouldn't be employee of the month.
He's done neither. He delivered... if I am charitable... less than 0.30% of what he was hired to do. Then he shows up in my office saying that it was the best he could manage and offering up excuses on why he won't be able to deliver on upcoming projects either. Then he demands to be employee of the month and starts throwing a temper tantrum that I tell him he's an imbecile.
Hey Boehner: 1. You're fired. 2. I will see in in court for damages, you incompetent fuck.
Posted by: Damiano at April 14, 2011 04:21 PM (3nrx7)
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Another total retard dem is on Cavuto, blowing shit - some dem rep from maryland. These are the retards the Weeping Boner collapsed to ...
Bad generals have to be removed from the field before they cause more damage to our side. There is no excuse for leaving such incompetents in charge. The Weeping Boner needs to step down from the Speakership.
Bad generals have to be removed from the field before they cause more damage to our side. There is no excuse for leaving such incompetents in charge. The Weeping Boner needs to step down from the Speakership.
Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 14, 2011 04:23 PM (G/MYk)
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I'm of the opinion that it makes sense to vote third party now, as long as they're sane (and sadly, a decent amount of the Tea Party candidates weren't last time, so maybe they could use some extra time to find decent people). Not that I'd never pull the lever for GOP again, but, shoot, at least the Dems have a solid plan to run (ruin?)the country. This complete ignorance of how money worksand 'But we're America!" is too dumb for my taste.
Posted by: William at April 14, 2011 04:24 PM (77TeU)
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Have they ever spent less from 1 year to the next? When? (I think after WWI and WWII.)
The post-WWI reduction was only in comparison to GDP; real spending went up. Post-WWII is the only time spending has been reduced—by almost all measures. Some say no. (I buy those, but your embrace of the bone may vary.)
Depending on how you measure what's happened since then, we reached the WWII peak again in 1949 or so, or...we've never even come close to it again. And right now, we're at almost exactly 100x 1942's budget in dollars, and almost exactly 1x it vs. GDP. Has there really been 10,000% inflation since then? (RON PAUL!) Maybe.
Nobody knows. Every macroeconomic number is a turdpile. Of lies. And also turds.
The post-WWI reduction was only in comparison to GDP; real spending went up. Post-WWII is the only time spending has been reduced—by almost all measures. Some say no. (I buy those, but your embrace of the bone may vary.)
Depending on how you measure what's happened since then, we reached the WWII peak again in 1949 or so, or...we've never even come close to it again. And right now, we're at almost exactly 100x 1942's budget in dollars, and almost exactly 1x it vs. GDP. Has there really been 10,000% inflation since then? (RON PAUL!) Maybe.
Nobody knows. Every macroeconomic number is a turdpile. Of lies. And also turds.
Posted by: oblig. at April 14, 2011 04:24 PM (xvZW9)
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5. Rush, Sean Mark are following the base and speaking for us, the only thing they need to think about is how to pile on even more.
This is depressing.
This is depressing.
Posted by: swamp_yankee at April 14, 2011 04:25 PM (ZIpcL)
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128 I need to go back and find that analysis of Rep. Ryan's budget from Heritage because it puts his plan into perspective. It's also a bit difficult to see what he's doing without first reading TPTP, because he extracted from there. I haven't completely read either but conservative economists say his plan works, albeit a bit slower than they would like. The difficulty is just that the entire thing must be implemented for it to work.
As for what happens with the Republican Party, I think the top 3 are receiving quite a bit of heat inside the conference but it will be interesting to see if anyone moves in a direction to replace him. With regards to the 2012 budget and the debt ceiling, I think we'll see that most budgeteers, their fellow RSC members*, and some freshmen will fight to the last. The Budget Committee is full of earnest, honest people who I think have a real interest in doing what's right, and Ryan co. have not backed down after Obama slapped them yesterday. This is a good sign, and they need to keep doing it. If the leadership gets in the way, then go around them.
*Not all budgeteers are RSC
As for what happens with the Republican Party, I think the top 3 are receiving quite a bit of heat inside the conference but it will be interesting to see if anyone moves in a direction to replace him. With regards to the 2012 budget and the debt ceiling, I think we'll see that most budgeteers, their fellow RSC members*, and some freshmen will fight to the last. The Budget Committee is full of earnest, honest people who I think have a real interest in doing what's right, and Ryan co. have not backed down after Obama slapped them yesterday. This is a good sign, and they need to keep doing it. If the leadership gets in the way, then go around them.
*Not all budgeteers are RSC
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 14, 2011 04:26 PM (uVLrI)
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Shamnesty II, Weeping Boogaloo - watch the GOP commit suicide for the second time in less than a decade.
Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 14, 2011 04:27 PM (G/MYk)
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Some poor woman called Rush today and she was really upset because she felt he was fanning the flames. I understand her concern, and I share it, but breathing fire is what most radio hosts do.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 14, 2011 04:29 PM (uVLrI)
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The only time I know of a year over year decline in outlays in nominal dollars is from 1964-1965.It almost happened again in 1986-1987.
In real dollars it has happened a couple of times.The majority of the credit has to go to highereconomic growth and inflationthough thanspending cutsfor the real dollar change.
The only time I know of a year over year decline in outlays in nominal dollars is from 1964-1965.It almost happened again in 1986-1987.
In real dollars it has happened a couple of times.The majority of the credit has to go to highereconomic growth and inflationthough thanspending cutsfor the real dollar change.
Posted by: Paper at April 14, 2011 04:29 PM (VoSja)
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The most difficult thing about this is that Obama has shown that he's absolutely unmovable while the Dems in Congress seem to have more flexibility. So that's definitely a problem because the man showed yesterday that he has no shame and once again demonstrated he could really care less about us. I'm seeing the usual individuals hitting-back at him but you have to wonder if it's going to do any good. Still, if they're all willing to risk their political careers over this because they think it's right, then they ought to do so.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 14, 2011 04:36 PM (uVLrI)
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So we need to come up with 179 or so viable tea party candidates for the Republican Primaries. This vote provides some focus.
Posted by: Jean at April 14, 2011 04:49 PM (WkuV6)
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John cry me a river Boehner on the budget deal...
"It stops the bleeding. It halts the spending binge and starts us moving us back in the right direction,"
Phew! thank god, just when I though my asshole couldn't bleed any more.
"It stops the bleeding. It halts the spending binge and starts us moving us back in the right direction,"
Phew! thank god, just when I though my asshole couldn't bleed any more.
Posted by: Da Chicken at April 14, 2011 04:50 PM (pr+up)
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For a glimpse at the near-future: Greek 10 years are now yielding 13%. Someone can go and recalculate American debt service when our interest rates catch up to them (which we will, just as we caught down to the Japanese insanity of 0% on the first leg of this ride). It ain't giong to be pretty, but at least it won't be a surprise. Well ... it shouldn't be.
Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 14, 2011 04:50 PM (G/MYk)
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Well, at least I can rejoice in that my conservative rep, Trey Gowdy (the high priest of kicking Bob Inglis out on his ass) voted no.
I just don't know what to think anymore. Every day prior to and after the big CR debate, the numbers changed. What started out as $100 billion has been whittled down to $362-ish million. And we have spent $60 billion in Libya alone. Their CR "cuts" are paltry at best. Kabuki Theater lies at worst.
I just don't know what to think anymore. Every day prior to and after the big CR debate, the numbers changed. What started out as $100 billion has been whittled down to $362-ish million. And we have spent $60 billion in Libya alone. Their CR "cuts" are paltry at best. Kabuki Theater lies at worst.
Posted by: Lady in Black at April 14, 2011 04:50 PM (usvhr)
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Le sigh. My rep John Culberson (TX-07) voted yes.
He'd better have a good, clear-english explanation. None of that political bullshit jargon.
I'da guessed he would have voted no.
He'd better have a good, clear-english explanation. None of that political bullshit jargon.
I'da guessed he would have voted no.
Posted by: Count de Monet at April 14, 2011 04:51 PM (XBM1t)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 14, 2011 04:52 PM (uVLrI)
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This budget deal on top of all the other Republican failures on top of the pending debt ceiling failure and the pathetic 2012 budget that came out of committee today has me feeling the doom like never before. This government is going to spend until they are the hobo giving BJs for crack.
Finding another country to call home is now at the very top of my honey-do list.
Finding another country to call home is now at the very top of my honey-do list.
Posted by: Snorting the NPR butt hash so you won't have to at April 14, 2011 04:56 PM (F/4zf)
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My rep, Mo Brooks (AL-05), voted yes. I want answers.
Posted by: Ima Wurdibitsch at April 14, 2011 04:57 PM (fk/lm)
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139
So we need to come up with 179 or so viable tea party candidates for the
Republican Primaries. This vote provides some focus.
Some of them are going to take themselves out later. I also don't think it's fair to assume they all voted yes for the same reason. As it is, Rep. West was a no and he tempered his earlier rhetoric for a post that is now on his Facebook pg. So it would be better to consider those who show a pattern of behavior that proves they're sincere and voted yes than just primarying their ass without asking the reasons why. After all, if we primaried every congress cretin that ever made a bad vote or one with which we disagreed, none of them would be there-- including everyone who just voted nay.
So we need to come up with 179 or so viable tea party candidates for the
Republican Primaries. This vote provides some focus.
Some of them are going to take themselves out later. I also don't think it's fair to assume they all voted yes for the same reason. As it is, Rep. West was a no and he tempered his earlier rhetoric for a post that is now on his Facebook pg. So it would be better to consider those who show a pattern of behavior that proves they're sincere and voted yes than just primarying their ass without asking the reasons why. After all, if we primaried every congress cretin that ever made a bad vote or one with which we disagreed, none of them would be there-- including everyone who just voted nay.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 14, 2011 04:57 PM (uVLrI)
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What is clear to me in all this is that this budgeting process is hopelessly convoluted. Whether this is bydesign or whether this is the natural progression of such things, the end result is the same - an indecipherable maze. There should be no reason for laws and rules this complex because they provide a playground for cheats and scoundrels and manipulators. A playground for corruption for which there is no oversight. How the fuck do you overwatch something that you haven't the faintest idea about. You want to talk reform...let's talk about a law that says legislation needs to be written at a 12th grade reading level and understood by any reasonably educated person - otherwise it goes back to the drawing board. With one retry if the first attempt fails. On penalty of fucking death. Oh, and by the way...kill all the lawyers before this reform is enacted.
Posted by: LGoPs at April 14, 2011 05:09 PM (lHn6+)
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Pence: Boehner fought the good fight
“My frustration, and I know the frustration of many Republicans who
voted ‘no,’ was focused squarely on liberals in the Senate and on this
administration,” he says.
“My frustration, and I know the frustration of many Republicans who
voted ‘no,’ was focused squarely on liberals in the Senate and on this
administration,” he says.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 14, 2011 05:14 PM (uVLrI)
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136Some poor woman called Rush today and she was really upset because she felt he was fanning the flames. I understand her concern, and I share it, but breathing fire is what most radio hosts do.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 14, 2011 04:29 PM (uVLrI) i heard that lady, she really made me mad, how do you shake people like that out of their pre-conceived notions?reasonable arguement?physical violence?i don't know the answer, but I know she was wrong and Rush is right
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 14, 2011 04:29 PM (uVLrI) i heard that lady, she really made me mad, how do you shake people like that out of their pre-conceived notions?reasonable arguement?physical violence?i don't know the answer, but I know she was wrong and Rush is right
Posted by: Shoey at April 14, 2011 05:21 PM (jdOk/)
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Miss me yet?
Posted by: Speaker Denny Hazterd at April 14, 2011 05:24 PM (rO8Ys)
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41 adorjan. Fuck off, ahole. Nothing will give greater pleasure than 3d partying what's left of your party of frauds a d socialist knob polishers.
Posted by: Snort! at April 14, 2011 05:33 PM (rO8Ys)
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at April 14, 2011 05:33 PM (OWjjx)
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After all, if we primaried every congress cretin that ever made a bad vote or one with which we disagreed, none of them would be there-- including everyone who just voted nay.
Miss80sBaby --- you keep forgetting the AOSHQ definition of RINO:
A Republican who disagrees with me.
Miss80sBaby --- you keep forgetting the AOSHQ definition of RINO:
A Republican who disagrees with me.
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at April 14, 2011 05:35 PM (OWjjx)
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The United States Senate has just passed the budget deal by a vote of 81 to 19. Earlier, the House passed the deal agreed to by the White House and a group of bi-partisan legislators.
The legislation now moves to the White House where President Barack Obama is expected to sign it into law.
Mazel....
The legislation now moves to the White House where President Barack Obama is expected to sign it into law.
Mazel....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 14, 2011 07:24 PM (UB58p)
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sign the Republicans aren't very serious about budget cutting -- which is, of course, not really spin so much as a plausible read of the situation the truth.
fixed.
fixed.
Posted by: Terry at April 14, 2011 07:26 PM (+7Usq)
Posted by: someguy at April 14, 2011 08:33 PM (yPwNF)
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154
After all, if we primaried every congress cretin that ever made a bad vote or one with which we disagreed, none of them would be there-- including everyone who just voted nay.
Miss80sBaby --- you keep forgetting the AOSHQ definition of RINO:
A Republican who disagrees with me.
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at April 14, 2011 05:35 PM (OWjjx) it's not about winning arguements, it's about the spending, it has to stop.the interest payment on the debt, which we are obligated to pay, amounts to about 210 billion, the government takes in money pretty much 24/7, payroll taxes don't stop being collected, if the debt limit were not raised the government would still have enough money coming in to pay it's debt obligations, no dreaded "Default!", but they would be forced to fund only what is truely nescessary instead of what they want, for them that is the disaster they don't want to deal with, but which they must be forced to deal with.
After all, if we primaried every congress cretin that ever made a bad vote or one with which we disagreed, none of them would be there-- including everyone who just voted nay.
Miss80sBaby --- you keep forgetting the AOSHQ definition of RINO:
A Republican who disagrees with me.
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at April 14, 2011 05:35 PM (OWjjx) it's not about winning arguements, it's about the spending, it has to stop.the interest payment on the debt, which we are obligated to pay, amounts to about 210 billion, the government takes in money pretty much 24/7, payroll taxes don't stop being collected, if the debt limit were not raised the government would still have enough money coming in to pay it's debt obligations, no dreaded "Default!", but they would be forced to fund only what is truely nescessary instead of what they want, for them that is the disaster they don't want to deal with, but which they must be forced to deal with.
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Changes Liberal Senator George Michell Will Make at Disney
Torments in Dog-Hell
Greatest Hitjobs
The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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