Gun Thread: St. Patrick's Day Edition!

Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

Holy Flaming Green Shitballs! It's St. Patrick's Day! OK, enough celebrating. Have you been practicing your fundamentals?

Q: Weasel, when are you ever going to shut up about fundamentals?
A: Never.

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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Fundamentals You Say?

So here is a question I'd like you to answer in the comments. How many people went to the range this past week, and what were you thinking about while you were there? I'm not talking about while you were ogling the range babes during check-in, but rather what were you concentrating and focusing on while you were in a lane and firing at a target? Hmmm?

Were you concentrating and focusing on fundamentals or were you in some sort of sleepy Zen state with your mind blank? Please tell me you were concentrating and focusing and not letting your mind float around to thoughts of puppies and kittens and range babes and how you need to change the windshield wipers on your car.

Q:Weasel, are you suggesting letting your mind wander to puppies and kittens and range babes is a bad thing?
A: No. No, Weasel are not saying that, however Weasel typically thinks of these things during work hours, not at the range when important things are being accomplished.

I have long said not to concentrate on shooting small groups, but rather concentrate on the elements of fundamental marksmanship and just allow the small groups take care of themselves. Proper stance, grip mechanics, sight alignment, and trigger squeeze/pull/compression/whatever are what I consider the four main elements of fundamentals. What you should be doing is concentrating on one of these each and every time you execute a shot. I am not kidding.

Q: Weasel, are you kidding?
A: No, no I am not.

Each and every time I am behind a gun, I am concentrting and focusing as hard as I can on one of the four elements described above. Here is a short video I made at WeaselAcres some time ago.

In the video, I am about 20 feet from the target firing in double action, and the six rounds went into about a 2 inch group. Is that a good result? It's not terrible, and at least not embarrassing. Could the group have been better? You bet. Was I praying to the range gods for a good group? No. I was simply focusing all of my brain juices on stance, grip, sight alignment and trigger mechanics. Look, I'm not the brightest fork in the shed, and if I can do it, then you can do it too. I have practiced a lot and I focus on one element of fundamentals every time I am shooting. I promise you this works people. Next time you are at the range, please incorporate this into your routine. For one set of shots, focus on one element and then for the next group move to another element. This is the one weird trick that works. Begin to master the fundamentals and you will be pleasantly surprised with the results. Over the coming weeks I will try and offer some simple and very basic examples of the Four Elements as I think we should now call them.

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Guns of the Horde
Next our pal Ed L sends in an excellent essay on the Smith & Wesson Model of 1899!

Smith and Wesson Revolver, Model of 1899

Sources: "US Handguns of World War II, The Secondary Pistols and Revolvers," Charles W. Pate

"Colt .45 Service Pistols, Models of 1911 and 1911A1." Charles W. Clawson

The Spanish-American War found the US military terribly underprepared when it came to small arms. Although US regular forces were fairly well equipped with relatively modern weapons, mobilized volunteer and state "National Guard" units still had black powder weapons in their arms rooms. Colt and Springfield Armory, the two primary military arms suppliers, could not support the rapid expansion the onset of war demanded. In 1899, the US Navy turned to Smith and Wesson (S&W) for an order if 1,000 Model 1899 revolvers required to support USN expansion. The US Army followed soon thereafter with another order for 1,000 revolvers. The USN would order over a thousand more in 1902, with slight improvements from S&W.

S&W's Model 1899 is a milestone firearm for S&W in that it represents the first solid frame revolver made by S&W. Prior to the Model 1899, S&W became known for its top-break revolvers like the Model 3. But S&W saw that the top-break revolver could not take the more powerful cartridges of the era, like .45 Long Colt. These required a solid frame revolver like the Colt New Model Army.

This Model 1899 is an Army contract weapon made in 1901, as evidenced by the markings on the butt and US Army inspectors' initials on the checkered walnut grips. "J.T.T."; are the initials of then Captain John T. Thompson, who would go on to become a Brigadier General and Chief of the US Army Small Arms Division and Director of Arsenals in WWI. He's best remembered as the namesake and driving force behind the Thompson submachine gun. Thompson's initials certified final acceptance of the revolver from S&W. "K.S.M." are the initials of Kelly S. Morse, a US Army civilian serving as Captain Thompson's deputy. In addition to the grips, Morse's initials appear on the major components of the revolver, signifying acceptance of major components prior to final assembly.

Unlike the Colt New Model Army revolver, the S&W Model 1899 has "shoulders" bored in its cylinder chambers that allow it to accept the lower-powered .38 S&W cartridge, but not .38 Special or .357 Magnum. S&W had already fielded the .38 Special cartridge commercially by 1901. S&W didn't want it to get chambered into a revolver that might not accept the stresses of the higher pressures developed by the .38 Special. Although large military orders for this particular design would not come for almost forty more years, these small Army and Navy orders were enough for S&W to dub this design the "Military and Police Model", for decades. Although the Model 1899 is the first iteration of this design, features seen on this early version include the signature S&W "push forward" cylinder release and counter-clockwise rotation of the cylinder.

The Army guns were issued only to National Guard units. This revolver also includes a cross draw holster (made in 1903 at Rock Island Arsenal) worn on the right hip and a web belt with four ammo pouches. The web belt has stencils for "1A BY NY 102" and "HQ 3 NY 16." These indicate that this revolver, holster, and web belt were issued to the 1st and 3rd Artillery Batteries of the NY National Guard in its service life. Neither of these units was mobilized for the Spanish-American War.
The Army pistols were discarded after WWI because of the large influx of M1911 pistols during and shortly after the war. The USN revolvers had a more interesting service life. Retained in the USN because the USN never received its desired allocations of M1911s, Model 1899s were still on USN books at the onset of WWII. 500 of them went to Britain in June 1940. The desperate need for weapons of any kind after Pearl Harbor saw the USN issue these obsolete weapons to arm security forces, couriers, and anyone else who needed a weapon stateside. The last USN Model 1899s would not leave service until the end of WWII in 1945.

And that, gals and guys, is how it is done. A bigly Gun Thread thank you to Ed L or sending in these excellent write-ups! We have very fortunate to have this caliber (ha!) of contributions!

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GunBlue490
Here is our pal GunBlue490 with a nice presentation on the M1A.

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Scopes
Here is an interesting look at how they are made at the Burris factory

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Servicing Your Tank's Flammenwerfer

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Dismantling Your Nuclear Weapon(s)
For the ultimate DIY-er! I should have submitted this for the Hobby Thread.

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Tonite's Movie
The Creeping Terror!

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Musical Interlude
Here is Joe Bonamassa with The Ballad of John Henry. I saw 3 shows on this tour the band was en fuego!

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Gun Basics 101
No new video from the She Equips Herself gal, so let's go to the archives! This week's video is on reflections after 8 years of carrying.

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Cigar of the Week

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This week our pal rhomboid scores again with this excellent review of the Southern Draw Rose of Sharon

Southern Draw is an Austin, TX-based cigar company founded by veterans that has carved out a solid niche for itself in the large, thriving, and competitive premium cigar market. Their signature Connecticut line is named Rose of Sharon, for the wife of founder Robert Holt. I stumbled upon a limited edition version of this line, called Desert Rose, at my local brick & mortar. The whole line has a solid reputation, and I was not disappointed. The stick I smoked was the belicoso fino, a softly box-pressed short torpedo. Beautiful blondish brown wrapper, grown in the cloudy conditions of Ecuador, with Nicaraguan and Dominican filler, beautiful precise construction. Nice easy draw, abundant smoke, and overall a wonderful mild cigar. I got some spices and a citrusy tang in addition to sweet wood notes. I would say I'm going to get a 5-pack or even more - but getting this stick may not be so easy. A limited edition that goes for $10 and up online, I was not able to find any belicoso finos in stock, though a few places had other vitolas (robusto, toro, and lonsdale). So anyone who enjoys mild but flavorful cigars should definitely try this one if they come across it in the wild.

Excellent, rhomboid! Thank you!

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Here are some different online cigar vendors. You will find they not only carry different brands and different lines from those brands, but also varying selections of vitolas (sizes/shapes) of given lines. It's good to have options, especially if you're looking for a specific cigar.

Cigarsinternational.com
Cigarpage.com
Famous-smoke.com
Cigarsdaily.com
Neptunecigar.com
Smallbatchcigar.com
Bobalu Cigar Company
Cigarbid.com
Nicks Cigar World New!

A note about sources. The brick & mortar/online divide exists with cigars, as with guns, and most consumer products, with respect to price. As with guns - since both are "persecuted industries", basically - I make a conscious effort to source at least some of my cigars from my local store(s). It's a small thing, but the brick & mortar segment for both guns and tobacco are precious, and worth supporting where you can. And if you're lucky enough to have a good cigar store/lounge available, they're often a good social event with many dangerous people of the sort who own scary gunz, or read smart military blogs like this one. -rhomboid

Anyone have others to include? Perhaps a small local roller who makes a cigar you like? Send me your recommendation and a link to the site!

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Ammo Link-O-Rama
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Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA
Bud's Gun Shop
American Elite Ammo

***Mail Bag***

This week's mailbag entry is from our pal Sharon (willows apprentice). Great one!

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM

Comments

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1 Good evening horde!!

Posted by: TRex at March 17, 2024 07:00 PM (IQ6Gq)

2 Yay! Gubs!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 17, 2024 07:00 PM (Wnv9h)

3 Good evening everyone

Posted by: Skip at March 17, 2024 07:00 PM (fwDg9)

4 Happy St Patricks Day horde…have to go finish up the dinner cooking, but while I did not have range time this week, I am now the proud owner of a Sig P365X Macro! Next up is to clean and oil, then to the range to join and start the instructions and practice, practice, practice…FWIW, the shelves at Cabela were very thin for 9mm ammo….thankfully we can get it by mail without problems. Any suggestions for properly breaking in a Sig are appreciated! Be back shortly!

Posted by: Grateful at March 17, 2024 07:01 PM (IQ6Gq)

5 Top10? Evening, All.

Posted by: Chappyman66 at March 17, 2024 07:01 PM (L3byd)

6 Is that green gun loaded with snake shot?

Posted by: GWB at March 17, 2024 07:01 PM (69JzL)

7 Happy Saint Patrick's Day all !!!!

Love the green background pistol. ;-)

Posted by: Scuba Dude at March 17, 2024 07:03 PM (f0/sc)

8 the Four Elements as I think we should now call them
So, you're doing the Pixy thing with her Four Essential Keys mantra?

Posted by: GWB at March 17, 2024 07:04 PM (69JzL)

9 Dang. Two in the top 10 while reading content.
Where is everyone?

Posted by: GWB at March 17, 2024 07:05 PM (69JzL)

10 When I saw that DOE video I thought immediately it was Mason-Hanger at PanTex.

Yep!

I wrote some of the safety documentation for that process.

Posted by: blaster at March 17, 2024 07:06 PM (IFNME)

11 I'm so glad that green gun isn't mine!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 17, 2024 07:07 PM (MA0mR)

12 Anyone have thoughts on the Canik TP9 Elite SC Optic Ready Subcompact Pistol?

Sure, I'd like the Sig P365X. But I really don't want to spend that kind of money. I’m a first timer.

Posted by: Turn 2 at March 17, 2024 07:08 PM (JfxgE)

13 Shoot like you mean it !

Posted by: Ben Had at March 17, 2024 07:08 PM (KOTyN)

14 Sadly no range time. Soon Weasel, soon.

Ed L, love the write up and LOVE the pistol. Keep em coming.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at March 17, 2024 07:09 PM (f0/sc)

15 Good evening gubthreaders and all the ships at sea!

I thought I was good this week I did not buy any gub stuff! But that's not true. Last week I talked about a red dot going bad (emitter went off center or something couldn't be adjusted to spec) and I had purchased the replacement, but I ordered the wrong footprint (I ordered Docter but needed RMR grr) so I ended up ordering the correct one this week. Because dots.

Posted by: blaster at March 17, 2024 07:09 PM (IFNME)

16 GWB, it is St Patrick's Day so possibly some started the revelry early.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 17, 2024 07:09 PM (t/2Uw)

17 My buddy has one of those SCCY 9mm pistols pictured above, but his is black not neon green. The trigger pull on that thing sucks. It feels like it breaks about 25 pounds.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 17, 2024 07:10 PM (QNSds)

18 Is that green gun loaded with snake shot?
Posted by: GWB

For the record, snake shot is around #12, which is essentially dust coming out of a pistol. Grab a shotgun with #6 and not only does it take out snakes, it also works when turkey season starts.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 17, 2024 07:11 PM (aStvO)

19 Hello, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at March 17, 2024 07:11 PM (yRXSd)

20 GWB, it is St Patrick's Day so possibly some started the revelry early.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 17, 2024 07:09 PM (t/2Uw)

Drinking BEFORE guns? Bad call....

Posted by: GWB at March 17, 2024 07:11 PM (69JzL)

21 I have long said not to concentrate on shooting small groups,
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Conservative site promotes mass shootings, like Trump's threatened 'bloodbath'!!!!
-- NY Times

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 17, 2024 07:11 PM (2yu8s)

22 Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 17, 2024 07:11 PM (aStvO)

Yeah, but if it's HOLY snake shot it's more effective.
(St Patrick... ring a bell?) LOL

Posted by: GWB at March 17, 2024 07:13 PM (69JzL)

23 I have long said not to concentrate on shooting small groups,
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Conservative site promotes mass shootings, like Trump's threatened 'bloodbath'!!!!
-- NY Times
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 17, 2024 07:11 PM (2yu8s)

That's right. Concentrate on shooting individuals. The groups will take care of themselves.

Posted by: GWB at March 17, 2024 07:14 PM (69JzL)

24 Here. Darn innerwebs are slow tonight. Logged with corned beef n stuff.

Posted by: RI Red at March 17, 2024 07:14 PM (BjNEK)

25 Some of you may have noticed that the NoVaMoMe date has been posted. The DMV MGC will again try to organize a Sunday event. Because our group has gotten a little larger we may not have a lot of slots. If you are pretty sure you are going to attend, shoot me an email and I'll start to keep a list. Haven't talked to the range yet so everything pretty preliminary.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 17, 2024 07:15 PM (t/2Uw)

26 Logged with corned beef n stuff.
Posted by: RI Red at March 17, 2024 07:14 PM

Ditto.

*noms corned beef*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 17, 2024 07:16 PM (Wnv9h)

27 And, Ed L, always love your write-ups. Informative and well-done.

Posted by: GWB at March 17, 2024 07:16 PM (69JzL)

28 I NEVER get to post on the Gun Thread. But yesterday I passed my concealed carry class! Now on to the Gestapo.

Plus The Creeping Terror got the MST3K treatment but good.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at March 17, 2024 07:16 PM (BSF0H)

29 Howdy Ed L! Thanks again.

Posted by: Weasel at March 17, 2024 07:16 PM (JwHpX)

30 Good Sunday evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and a tip-o-the tweed cap to our host Weasel.

That sure is a purty green gun ...

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at March 17, 2024 07:16 PM (v23vE)

31 23 That's right. Concentrate on shooting individuals. The groups will take care of themselves.

Posted by: GWB at March 17, 2024 07:14 PM

Outside of this thread that statement could be problematic IYKWIM ;-)

Posted by: Scuba Dude at March 17, 2024 07:16 PM (f0/sc)

32 So today the DMV MGC (-) went to the range and MiniMoMe. Just me, sra blaster, and Ed L. The rest were on injured reserve or something about a child getting married being MORE IMPORTANT. Oh well.

We got to shoot almost two hours today. Among the things on my list today was shooting the P95 that has a got on an adapter plate. This is the pistol that I discovered would not shoot 115 grain ammo (well it shoots it just won't actually cycle). And after a year or so of sitting in a safe, it STILL won't shoot 115 grain. The idea of stocking 124 grain just for this one pistol turned out to be kind of a logistical POA. So I am going to de-dot this pistol, too. I think there are some replacement iron sights for it that will make it a nicer.

Posted by: blaster at March 17, 2024 07:17 PM (IFNME)

33 Guns and Cigars

That is all.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 17, 2024 07:17 PM (Q4IgG)

34 Picked up a Glock 48 a couple of weeks ago, after years of shooting nothing but scattergun. Last handgun shooting was in 1991, the last time I qualified in the Air Force. Took the Glock out to the range last weekend for it's First Fire. I'd forgotton how much flat-out fun handgun shooting could be. Now, I hadn't shot handgun in over thirty years, and I'd never fired a semiauto, so my patterns weren't great. On a 7-yard range, I started out with dinnerplate-sized groups, got it down to saucer-sized by the time I ran out of ammunition. Rain predicted for tomorrow, so I'll be back out at the range next weekend.

Posted by: Rusty Bill at March 17, 2024 07:18 PM (MXuIM)

35 Evenin', gun nuts! I have not been to the range, but I wanted to tell everybody that I successfully bid on a Highway Patrolman (model 28-2) on Gunbroker! I don't have it in my possession yet, but soon...

Gotta go clean up from dinner, brb

Posted by: screaming in digital at March 17, 2024 07:18 PM (1eY81)

36 No range time this week, and we had some absolutely gorgeous days weatherwise, dang it! Now watch -- when I get down to the farm in a week or so it will probably be snowing.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at March 17, 2024 07:19 PM (PWe8a)

37 Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at March 17, 2024 07:16 PM (BSF0H)
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Congratulations!

Posted by: Weasel at March 17, 2024 07:19 PM (JwHpX)

38 Posted by: Scuba Dude at March 17, 2024 07:09 PM (f0/sc)

You're welcome, Scuba Dude. Humble beginnings indeed for the revolver design that would go on to dominate the police and commercial market for most of the second half of the 20th century, with some six to seven million produced. It's still in production today as the Model 10.

Posted by: Ed L at March 17, 2024 07:20 PM (yRXSd)

39 Hey Blaster, way to snitch. Yes, I missed today's session but I had reasons. I will try to be better.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 17, 2024 07:21 PM (t/2Uw)

40 Dear Gun Thread Staff,

We appreciate that Weasel likes to emphasize fundamentals!

However, there are more than 1 type of fundamentals. Do you think you could persuade Weasel to discuss the fundamentals of connecting with range babes from time to time, drawing upon his experiences of range attendance at the highest levels of competition?

Asking for some friends.

Posted by: J. Random Single 'Ron at March 17, 2024 07:22 PM (a3Q+t)

41 Check your email, Sharon!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 17, 2024 07:22 PM (Wnv9h)

42 25 Some of you may have noticed that the NoVaMoMe date has been posted. Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 17, 2024 07:15 PM

Sadly, I do not see myself making this years NoVaMoMe. Have fun all of you that do.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at March 17, 2024 07:24 PM (f0/sc)

43 Bought a cheap arms locker [supposed 10-guns] on Wednesday and my first two rifles fit in the rack alright; this morning I took my third one and my nephew's one out of the 2-gun hard case they were locked in and discover that BOTH are too short for the armoire's built-in barrel rests!

I found a couple of websites with magnetic or screw-in add-on ones but if anyone knows of a place with them, I'd be happy to entertain suggestions.

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 17, 2024 07:24 PM (2yu8s)

44 I just saw, I got an email from Firearms Depot on Friday, and one of the guns listed is [sic]:
Langdon Tactical Beretta Tomcat 32ACP Tigger Job and RDO Cut

I'm going to start calling it that when people have trouble recovering their sight picture after a shot: Bouncy Bouncy Bouncy, that's a Tigger Job.

Posted by: GWB at March 17, 2024 07:25 PM (69JzL)

45 Evenin', gun nuts! I have not been to the range, but I wanted to tell everybody that I successfully bid on a Highway Patrolman (model 28-2) on Gunbroker! I don't have it in my possession yet, but soon...

Gotta go clean up from dinner, brb
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 17, 2024 07:18 PM

Woohoo!!!!!! I know you've been looking for one of these for a looooooong time!!! Congratulations!!!!!!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 17, 2024 07:25 PM (a3Q+t)

46 Another task on the range today was checking the Sig P226. It was not locking back on empty - I was chalking that up to needing cleaning so I cleaned it. But also, I had replaced the stock 16 lb spring (from 1994 and who knows how many rounds) with a new one. Not only was it not locking back, sra blaster was having a hard time operating the slide. I put in a 14 lb spring and she was much happier, and whether it was the spring or the cleaning, I do not know, but locked back every time on empty.

Posted by: blaster at March 17, 2024 07:25 PM (IFNME)

47 Outside of this thread that statement could be problematic IYKWIM ;-)
Posted by: Scuba Dude at March 17, 2024 07:16 PM (f0/sc)

AITID

Posted by: GWB at March 17, 2024 07:26 PM (69JzL)

48 Picked up a Glock 48 a couple of weeks ago, after years of shooting nothing but scattergun. Last handgun shooting was in 1991, the last time I qualified in the Air Force. Took the Glock out to the range last weekend for it's First Fire. I'd forgotton how much flat-out fun handgun shooting could be. Now, I hadn't shot handgun in over thirty years, and I'd never fired a semiauto, so my patterns weren't great. On a 7-yard range, I started out with dinnerplate-sized groups, got it down to saucer-sized by the time I ran out of ammunition. Rain predicted for tomorrow, so I'll be back out at the range next weekend.
Posted by: Rusty Bill
Hi. Welcome to the Glock lovers club. I own two G48s including one that is purple. Need to send a picture to Weasel.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 17, 2024 07:26 PM (t/2Uw)

49 For the ultimate DIY-er! I should have submitted this for the Hobby Thread.

Gotta admit, when Sgt Bif de-mated the last w-31 warhead from his NATO Luftwaffe brigade of Nike Hercules...that shit was deeply stress releaving. No more two-person rule, no more EMAS/SANRAS message processing, no more guarding a bunch of nukes.

The whole unit pooled their ration cards for booze and we threw a 3 day drunken bender in the warhead assembly building to celebrate when the warheads were medevac-ed and we were reliwved of duty.

Had I known how awful warrant officer duty was in Patriot, i'd have refused the assignment and gone dismounted foward scout for the easier (and safer) duty.

Posted by: BifBewalski at March 17, 2024 07:26 PM (MsrgL)

50 39 Hey Blaster, way to snitch. Yes, I missed today's session but I had reasons. I will try to be better.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 17, 2024 07:21 PM (t/2Uw)

Injured reserve is honorable.

Posted by: blaster at March 17, 2024 07:27 PM (IFNME)

51 [Furiously searches for "Highway Patrolman (model 28-2)" on Gunbroker. Bwahahahaha!!!]

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 17, 2024 07:27 PM (2yu8s)

52 Sadly, I do not see myself making this years NoVaMoMe. Have fun all of you that do.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at March 17, 2024 07:24 PM (f0/sc)

Dang. Will miss you.

Posted by: GWB at March 17, 2024 07:28 PM (69JzL)

53 Whut?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 17, 2024 07:29 PM (XeU6L)

54 Posted by: screaming in digital at March 17, 2024 07:18 PM (1eY81)
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Excellent! Congratulations!

Posted by: Weasel at March 17, 2024 07:29 PM (JwHpX)

55 Great write-up, Ed. And pix, too.

I did not go to the range this week, as I was fundamentally working on something . . . else.
Caliber creep may be involved.

Posted by: RI Red at March 17, 2024 07:29 PM (BjNEK)

56 6 Is that green gun loaded with snake shot?

Posted by: GWB at March 17, 2024 07:01 PM (69JzL)
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Loaded for green mamba!

Posted by: Ciampino - a black gun for black mamba at March 17, 2024 07:30 PM (qfLjt)

57 Posted by: RI Red at March 17, 2024 07:29 PM (BjNEK)
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That's not creep, grasshopper. It's part of a basic load out.

Posted by: Weasel at March 17, 2024 07:31 PM (JwHpX)

58 Oooooh..."Creeping Terror"(kudzu) film....Young couple has a Jag xk 120!!!..On a small town DEPUTY SHERIFF wage.
It may not be science...but it certainly is Fiction.

Posted by: birdog at March 17, 2024 07:32 PM (+Fkyb)

59 Finding your weapon in the dark is only reason I see to go neon green

Posted by: Skip at March 17, 2024 07:33 PM (fwDg9)

60 Blaster, SRA Blaster, and I used the games feature to shoot targets at varying ranges with double taps. It was much more challenging than expected. We shot my H&K SP5, which makes hitting targets much easier. But we also used a 25 foot target silhouette, which is much smaller than a "normal sized" target for 10, 15, and 20 yard ranges. With just one or two second target exposures at each distance, it's really hard to get a good sight picture and get on target for your double tap shot. Using a handgun would have made hitting more a matter of luck than anything else. As it was, it was quite a challenge to score with a double tap, and much more physically demanding than expected. Constantly holding up that SP5 in the ready position is hard on your muscles, since the target run is about two or three minutes.

Posted by: Ed L at March 17, 2024 07:34 PM (yRXSd)

61 Finally we kind of were dine shooting handguns 45 minutes in, so we decided to mix it up on the SP5. Different "games" on the controller at the range. A police qualification game, and a "Carnival" game that had the target moving out to 25 yards and back several times and 6 times in there, randomly, it would flip and you were supposed to shoot two rounds for 6 iterations. It was totally random and took a long time and you fond that the SP5 can get heavy after a few minutes!

We also figured out how to do "custom" games on the controller. Did a 5 yard, 10 yard, 7 yard, 10 yard, 5 yard combo.

We also did static shooting with the SP5. That thing is really accurate.

Posted by: blaster at March 17, 2024 07:35 PM (IFNME)

62 I might get to the range this week or next. BiL is in town, and he really enjoyed going shooting last time.

Posted by: GWB at March 17, 2024 07:35 PM (69JzL)

63 59 Finding your weapon in the dark is only reason I see to go neon green

Posted by: Skip at March 17, 2024 07:33 PM

Or filming against a green screen. :-)

Posted by: Scuba Dude at March 17, 2024 07:35 PM (f0/sc)

64 8 the Four Elements as I think we should now call them
So, you're doing the Pixy thing with her Four Essential Keys mantra?

Posted by: GWB at March 17, 2024 07:04 PM (69JzL)
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Hmm, Pixy is a guy.

Posted by: Ciampino - he likes anime at March 17, 2024 07:35 PM (qfLjt)

65 It's part of a basic load out.
Posted by: Weasel at March 17, 2024 07:31 PM (JwHpX)

Yes. I finally admitted I had a gaping hole in my lineup. And it follows the rules of most likely battlefield pickups.
And that ain’t range babes!

Posted by: RI Red at March 17, 2024 07:36 PM (BjNEK)

66 Yeah what Ed L. said!

Posted by: blaster at March 17, 2024 07:36 PM (IFNME)

67 Stunning sunset tonight. While sky is lit up in dark orange.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 17, 2024 07:36 PM (t/2Uw)

68 Posted by: screaming in digital at March 17, 2024 07:18 PM (1eY81)

Congratulations, SiD! Now you just have to save up the $$ to get some .38 Special ammo...

Posted by: Ed L at March 17, 2024 07:37 PM (yRXSd)

69 Posted by: Scuba Dude at March 17, 2024 07:24 PM (f0/sc)

But will you make it to TX in the fall?

Posted by: Ed L at March 17, 2024 07:38 PM (yRXSd)

70 Scubs, you will be missed!

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 17, 2024 07:40 PM (t/2Uw)

71 69 But will you make it to TX in the fall?

Posted by: Ed L at March 17, 2024 07:38 PM

Have already put in to take the days off. Planning my route as I will be driving down this year. :-)

Posted by: Scuba Dude at March 17, 2024 07:41 PM (f0/sc)

72 Hi gun thread, and thanks Weasel for making it happen week after week.

I can honestly say that I was focusing on fundamentals in my Friday range trip, because the only other thing to focus on was the fact that I was being rained on.

I've reached a stage where I know exactly what to do, and the problem is getting enough repeatability to do that every time. I remember this phase of learning to use a straight razor. I knew darned well to not apply pressure in the direction of the skin, and to keep my angle low, and always be in motion when the blade touches skin, and never adjust position or stretches when the edge is touching skin. But getting my hands to do all that automatically took months.

So this time I started out focusing on using my new red dot sight, then remembering I wanted to focus on the trigger pull, so I did that. I shot half the session without remembering to get my stance right, and the whole session without remembering to grip tightly with my off hand, to control recoil for repeated shots.

My groups were not awful, but not good. I usually keep the targets until my next session, for comparison, but this time I just trashed them. They were wet anyway.

Posted by: Splunge at March 17, 2024 07:41 PM (oBPoz)

73 Somebody at the range today had an MP40 in full auto. A couple of young guys did not talk to them about it.

But cool!

Posted by: blaster at March 17, 2024 07:41 PM (IFNME)

74 I sat at my bench today and took inventory of all the things I was going to need to add to do new workups. I’m rather looking forward to it.
PSA, Mid South Shooters, Midway, RCBS, Wilson and others are also looking forward to it.

Posted by: RI Red at March 17, 2024 07:41 PM (BjNEK)

75 A guy using an adjacent range showed me his CZ Czechmate, a weird "open gun" contraption used in competition. It had a big rod sticking out the side, to rack the slide with. No dust cover at all. He let me try the trigger, and it was super light and a bit strange -- no wall to speak of, just a continuous ramp-up until boom.

Posted by: Splunge at March 17, 2024 07:44 PM (oBPoz)

76 While sky is lit up in dark orange.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 17, 2024 07:36 PM (t/2Uw)
On St Patrick's Day? Those dirty... ummm which ones are the Orange in Ireland?

Posted by: GWB at March 17, 2024 07:45 PM (69JzL)

77 Sadly, I do not see myself making this years NoVaMoMe. Have fun all of you that do.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at March 17, 2024 07:24 PM

Whut?!!!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 17, 2024 07:45 PM (Wnv9h)

78 I really like this, and will try to take it to heart:

I have long said not to concentrate on shooting small groups, but rather concentrate on the elements of fundamental marksmanship and just allow the small groups take care of themselves.

Posted by: Splunge at March 17, 2024 07:46 PM (oBPoz)

79 Have already put in to take the days off. Planning my route as I will be driving down this year. :-)
Posted by: Scuba Dude at March 17, 2024 07:41 PM

Then we'll see you in Corsicana!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 17, 2024 07:47 PM (Wnv9h)

80 Posted by: Grateful at March 17, 2024 07:01 PM (IQ6Gq)

Grateful, did you pick up some 9mm snap caps along with your purchase? Snap caps allow you to practice loading, unloading, and dry firing safely and without the expense of actually using up potentially scarce ammo. Assuming that you like the thing enough to hang on to it, I suggest that you shop next for some additional spare magazines and defense ammo. You need make sure that you can 1) comfortably shoot your defensive load of choice and 2) that your defense ammo will feed properly from your magazines.

Posted by: Ed L at March 17, 2024 07:48 PM (yRXSd)

81 Since I installed the Franklin Armory binary trigger on my PTR-91, I decided to take the 2 pound trigger from the PTR and install in my Cetme C, whose trigger was about 8-10 pounds with a lot of creep. I had a few H&K trigger housings in my spare parts box and one fit the trigger pack and the Cetme C perfectly. Simple push and pin and the H&K safety lever works fine. So then I also installed an H&K carry handle on both and with a little dremel work the handguards slipped right over and on. Going test both out this week and see how they run.

Here is the carry handles if anyone is interested.

https://tinyurl.com/4wd8vz66

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 17, 2024 07:50 PM (R/m4+)

82 Congratulations, s. i. d.! nice!

great write-up, Ed!

& g'night everyone!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying to us for decades at March 17, 2024 07:50 PM (PFYt9)

83 Can't wait to see you all in October. Planning for the. IDPA range is in full swing.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 17, 2024 07:54 PM (KOTyN)

84 Can't wait to see you all in October. Planning for the. IDPA range is in full swing.
Posted by: Ben Had at March 17, 2024 07:54 PM

*nods*

The RMBS Mom will be ready.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 17, 2024 07:54 PM (Wnv9h)

85 Ben Had, I’m crossing my fingers.

Posted by: RI Red at March 17, 2024 07:55 PM (BjNEK)

86 In and out quickly today with a lot on my plate. Retiring in the next couple of weeks, parental dementia issues to deal with, and moving back in to our new handicapped friendly master suite after fairly extensive remodel.

Someone has a gun or ammo question, just ask.

FWIW,
Anyone have thoughts on the Canik TP9 Elite SC Optic Ready Subcompact Pistol?
I’m a first timer.
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Canik has built a following in the US based on good value for money spent but I really do not recommend subcompacts to learn how to shoot. Pretty much all polymer types have sharpish recoil.
Posted by: Turn 2

FWIW, I would look in the compact category due to ammo capacity, bit more weight, and longer sight radio.
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I would look for a used Glock 19 because magazines and aftermarket accessories are readily available. Used Smith and Wesson Shield M&Ps are also a decent deal.

Guns used by police departments and detectives are often some of the better buys out there as they are often carried much and shot little. Relatively simply breakdown on them as well.

Posted by: whig at March 17, 2024 07:55 PM (hKOIV)

87 RI Red throw a little salt over your shoulder too!

Posted by: Ben Had at March 17, 2024 07:57 PM (KOTyN)

88 So the aim small miss small is out?

Posted by: polynikes at March 17, 2024 07:57 PM (MNhXM)

89 Caliber creep may be involved.
Posted by: RI Red at March 17, 2024 07:29 PM (BjNEK)

Remember, RI Red, it's not "caliber creep." You're "polyarmorous."

Posted by: GWB at March 17, 2024 07:59 PM (69JzL)

90 Hi, everybody! How was Ireland?

Posted by: Eromero at March 17, 2024 07:59 PM (NxC5+)

91 Congrats, Whig, on retirement.
I tried it once. I only lasted 3 years.
And my hobbies were much more expensive than my financial planning.
But my garage and basement were very clean and organized many times over.

Posted by: RI Red at March 17, 2024 08:00 PM (BjNEK)

92 It apparears that our web masters have all of Sharon's needs figured out. Very simple needs.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 17, 2024 08:00 PM (cOq4q)

93 76 Those dirty... ummm which ones are the Orange in Ireland?

Posted by: GWB at March 17, 2024 07:45 PM

Bloody Protestants

Posted by: Scuba Dude at March 17, 2024 08:01 PM (f0/sc)

94 Remember, RI Red, it's not "caliber creep." You're "polyarmorous."
Posted by: GWB at March 17, 2024 07:59 PM (69JzL)

Heh.
I may be more than poly.

Posted by: RI Red at March 17, 2024 08:03 PM (BjNEK)

95 >>> Finding your weapon in the dark is only reason I see to go neon green

Posted by: Skip

Finding in a muddy body of water? Snowbank?

But, SCCY? Cheap but any good?

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 17, 2024 08:03 PM (cOq4q)

96 Congrats, Whig, on retirement.
I tried it once. I only lasted 3 years.
And my hobbies were much more expensive than my financial planning.
But my garage and basement were very clean and organized many times over.
Posted by: RI Red at March 17, 2024 08:00 PM

Lawyers don't retire. We just die in place. This is a Known Thing.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 17, 2024 08:04 PM (Wnv9h)

97 Posted by: polynikes at March 17, 2024 07:57 PM (MNhXM)

Depends on what you're doing. If you're shooting at a stationary target, your misses should be in relatively small area if you're doing your fundamentals correctly. But if you're doing something more dynamic (engaging multiple targets, shooting and moving, engaging short time exposure targets at varying ranges, etc.) your shots will spread out further. That's because you're introducing more variables to your shooting process. For the DMV MGC today, keeping our shots in the black during our competitions today was about as good as we could expect.

Posted by: Ed L at March 17, 2024 08:05 PM (yRXSd)

98
Lawyers don't retire. We just die in place. This is a Known Thing.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState

Describe Congress without using the word Congress...

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 17, 2024 08:06 PM (Xb3BX)

99 But, SCCY? Cheap but any good?

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 17, 2024 08:03 P

My buddy has one and I have shot it. The high point is it is cheap and so far it will cycle any 9mm ball ammo out there including steel case stuff. To my knowledge he has never run any hollow point stuff through it.

The low points, gritty stiff heavy trigger and very crappy sights.

If you only have $200 and need/want a 9mm pistol then bob's your uncle.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 17, 2024 08:07 PM (QNSds)

100 Sadly, I do not see myself making this years NoVaMoMe. Have fun all of you that do.
Posted by: Scuba Dude
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I can't make NoVa either, but I have a room reserved for Corsicana already!

Posted by: screaming in digital at March 17, 2024 08:07 PM (1eY81)

101 Describe Congress without using the word Congress...
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 17, 2024 08:06 PM

*snort*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 17, 2024 08:08 PM (Wnv9h)

102 Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 17, 2024 08:03 PM (cOq4q)

No direct experience with one, but I've heard them called "meh" because of pickiness with some defensive ammo and problems with control when loaded with some hot defensive rounds.

Posted by: Ed L at March 17, 2024 08:08 PM (yRXSd)

103 The nice thing about inventorying the work bench was finding things I’d totally forgotten I had. And no doubt would have included in my new orders.
Why, yes, I have a spare QD adapter for my can, that may just fit on the new project.
Saved myself a hundred bucks that I promptly spent on other stuff.

Posted by: RI Red at March 17, 2024 08:08 PM (BjNEK)

104 80
Thanks Ed. Defensive ammo, check. Extra magazine, on the list. But I forgot the snap caps. So am adding that to the list.

Posted by: Grateful at March 17, 2024 08:09 PM (IQ6Gq)

105 That nuke dismantle video brought back a lot of memories. One of my duties as a new officer in a 155mm SP battery (nuclear capable) was Nuclear Assembly Officer. We practiced until we could assemble the round without using the checklist (but we didn't). Nuke artillery rounds never made much sense to me. I often thought that if we ever had to fire one for real that the counterbattery fire was going to be a real bitch.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at March 17, 2024 08:09 PM (PWe8a)

106 Woohoo!!!!!! I know you've been looking for one of these for a looooooong time!!! Congratulations!!!!!!
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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I emailed you the listing. If I made a terrible mistake, don't tell me, because it's too late!

Posted by: screaming in digital at March 17, 2024 08:09 PM (1eY81)

107 I can't make NoVa either, but I have a room reserved for Corsicana already!
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 17, 2024 08:07 PM

*fistbump*

Practice with your rifle. Distant targets are calling.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 17, 2024 08:09 PM (Wnv9h)

108 Ammoland article says a pistol went missing (from checked luggage) at Atlanta airport. This looks really bad for the baggage folks:

The gun owner says a helpful Delta agent in Fort Lauderdale told him the airline map indicated the gun was still in Atlanta.

But once he returned to Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport on Sunday, that story changed.

“He goes to type the number in, now it says the gun was never checked in. Not even through Delta, or TSA,” he said. “So, somebody took it out of the system. What do you mean it’s ghost?”

Posted by: GWB at March 17, 2024 08:10 PM (69JzL)

109 Lawyers don't retire. We just die in place. This is a Known Thing.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 17, 2024 08:04 PM

In place? Not making a motion? Pleasing the Court*?

* Assuming the judge is Fani, and the Counselor is SD?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 17, 2024 08:10 PM (a3Q+t)

110 Guns used by police departments and detectives are often some of the better buys out there as they are often carried much and shot little. Relatively simply breakdown on them as well.
Posted by: whig at March 17, 2024 07:55 PM (hKOIV)

Excellent advice as always! Usually priced to sell also.

Fair Winds And Following Seas whig!...It will get tough as time goes on but remember to enjoy every day as the gift it is with your loved ones.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 17, 2024 08:10 PM (R/m4+)

111 Welcome to retirement whig, now you'll never get a day off!! LOL. I've been retired for 6 years, I skied 5 days and went to the range twice last week. I'm "working a double" tomorrow. Ski in the morning off to the range in the afternoon.

Posted by: ck at March 17, 2024 08:10 PM (nMOLw)

112 I would look for a used Glock 19 because magazines and aftermarket accessories are readily available. Used Smith and Wesson Shield M&Ps are also a decent deal.

Guns used by police departments and detectives are often some of the better buys out there as they are often carried much and shot little. Relatively simply breakdown on them as well.
Posted by: whig at March 17, 2024 07:55 PM (hKOIV)

In G19 world you could go with a brand new PSA Dagger. They sell new ~$300 though I saw a sale this weekend at $249.

Posted by: blaster at March 17, 2024 08:11 PM (IFNME)

113
If you only have $200 and need/want a 9mm pistol then bob's your uncle.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 17, 2024 08:07 PM (QNSds)
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Or if you need an image of a green gun for a St Patrick's Day Gun Thread.

Posted by: Weasel at March 17, 2024 08:11 PM (JwHpX)

114 Posted by: Grateful at March 17, 2024 08:09 PM (IQ6Gq)

Get A-ZOOM snap caps. The most durable ones on the market today. Get the bright blue ones. They're easier to spot when you eject them somewhere on floor you didn't expect them to go.

Posted by: Ed L at March 17, 2024 08:12 PM (yRXSd)

115 I can't make NoVa either,
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 17, 2024 08:07 PM (1eY81)

Well, dangit.

Posted by: GWB at March 17, 2024 08:12 PM (69JzL)

116 Didn't get to the range this week but when I go these days I definitely focus on fundamentals. And it shows in the results. My groups are noticeably better when I concentrate. Some might say that takes some element of fun away from the session but the good groups make it satisfying. I apply the same care when loading muzzleloaders. Beyond the obvious safety matters, being consistent with black powder makes a difference in accuracy. Since I'm never in a hurry when using black powder, the few extra seconds don't bother me.

Having said all that, I often end the session with some fast double action shooting just for fun. (Typically with 22lr because I'm cheap.) The targets are often surprisingly decent. And it lets me express my inner Jerry Miculek urges. LOL

Posted by: JTB at March 17, 2024 08:13 PM (zudum)

117 Thank you Weasel. This thread reminded me to change my gun safe batteries. Once again The Weasel dispenses life saving information.

Posted by: goatexchange at March 17, 2024 08:13 PM (yHvQf)

118 I'm late to the thread because I was at the range setting the zero stop on my new Vortex Viper Scope.

Is this a plus or a minus on my permanent record?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at March 17, 2024 08:14 PM (tT6L1)

119 >>> Anyone have thoughts on the Canik TP9 Elite SC Optic Ready Subcompact Pistol?

Sure, I'd like the Sig P365X. But I really don't want to spend that kind of money. I’m a first timer.
Posted by: Turn 2

Check YouTube "Honest Outlaw" for reviews.
He seems... honest.

I went with a Canik Mete MC9. It's a hair smaller, but already had it's big brother and a bunch of mags.

Try a rental first if you can. Geometery means a lot and Glock might just fit You better. Or the Sig, or the Canik.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 17, 2024 08:14 PM (cOq4q)

120 Used Glocks are a good investment. Everything on them can be replaced with readily available parts which are economical. And they work as intended.

Posted by: Eromero at March 17, 2024 08:14 PM (NxC5+)

121 Thank you all that have made Corsicana your 2024 MoMe destination.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 17, 2024 08:14 PM (KOTyN)

122 Nuke artillery rounds never made much sense to me. I often thought that if we ever had to fire one for real that the counterbattery fire was going to be a real bitch.
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Darn right! They should have stuck with the Davy Crockett.

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 17, 2024 08:15 PM (2yu8s)

123 sra blaster and I are signed up for our first competition Steel Shoot first week of April. We are appropriately geared up. Looking forward to it.

Posted by: blaster at March 17, 2024 08:15 PM (IFNME)

124 Looking forward to getting Grateful going with her new P365XL Macro. After initial cleaning, anything to keep in mind for breaking in new equipment or just go for it?

Posted by: TRex at March 17, 2024 08:15 PM (IQ6Gq)

125 Is this a plus or a minus on my permanent record?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at March 17, 2024 08:14 PM (tT6L1)

Yes.

Posted by: GWB at March 17, 2024 08:15 PM (69JzL)

126 I sort of think I should get some sort of award when I am finally able to reassemble my Ruger Mark II .22 bull barrel without consulting the video.

Haven't managed it so far, though. It's all straightforward until you get to that last piece.

Posted by: Splunge at March 17, 2024 08:15 PM (oBPoz)

127 blake, it’ll be a plus if you tell us all about the Viper.
I’m debating on glass for my project.

Posted by: RI Red at March 17, 2024 08:15 PM (BjNEK)

128 Is this a plus or a minus on my permanent record?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at March 17, 2024 08:14 PM (tT6L1)

Ummmmmmm...Plus.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 17, 2024 08:16 PM (R/m4+)

129 By the way, great thing about the place where I purchase my rifle scopes: Bring your rifle and they'll do the install on the spot along with initial bore sight.

Hi RMBS! How are things with you?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at March 17, 2024 08:16 PM (tT6L1)

130 Not about shooting, but I thought that some people would enjoy this video of a 96 year old WWII veteran singing the national anthem at a minor league baseball game:

https://tinyurl.com/yjh2eyb9

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 17, 2024 08:17 PM (79H1v)

131 I’m planning on purchasing the S&W M&P FPC to add to my PCC collection. I like that it’s not an AR platform which I don’t like for a PCC for few reasons .

Posted by: polynikes at March 17, 2024 08:17 PM (MNhXM)

132 121 Thank you all that have made Corsicana your 2024 MoMe destination.
Posted by: Ben Had at March 17, 2024 08:14 PM (KOTyN)

Barring disaster, you can count on Mrs. Splunge and me this year. Tentatively planning on driving. I've looked into the laws, and it looks as though bringing guns through will be no problem. Got a fun one or two to share!

Posted by: Splunge at March 17, 2024 08:17 PM (oBPoz)

133 Polynikes, guaranteed enjoyment. And great truck/trunk gun.

Posted by: RI Red at March 17, 2024 08:18 PM (BjNEK)

134 96 Congrats, Whig, on retirement.
I tried it once. I only lasted 3 years.
And my hobbies were much more expensive than my financial planning.
But my garage and basement were very clean and organized many times over.
Posted by: RI Red at March 17, 2024 08:00 PM

Lawyers don't retire. We just die in place. This is a Known Thing.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState
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I was on the academic side so one might say I was already pre-retired. Now I just feel tired.

Posted by: whig at March 17, 2024 08:18 PM (hKOIV)

135 Posted by: TRex at March 17, 2024 08:15 PM (IQ6Gq)

Snap caps to safely practice loading, unloading, and dry fire. Before going to the range w/ real ammo, make sure you know the basic safety procedures of your pistol by practicing w/ snap caps first. Don't do your first runs at loading or unloading w/ live ammo. Snap caps are cheaper and a lot safer.

Posted by: Ed L at March 17, 2024 08:19 PM (yRXSd)

136 FWIW,
Anyone have thoughts on the Canik TP9 Elite SC Optic Ready Subcompact Pistol?
I’m a first timer.

-

Drive by and probably not able to stick around (thanks as always, Weasel) but I wanted to be sure the BRG Elite 9mm was mentioned. It's a Springfield XD clone for around $200 with spare magazines and cleaning kit included in the case. A great little pistol although it seems a tad heavier than the XD.

I'm told Tisas is making an XD clone now as well but I haven't seen or shot it. I've got one of their $300 1911s and it has been absolutely outstanding, so I wouldn't hesitate if I found one and needed it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie- 80% positives in a mate to a man is a soulmate, the same 80% to a woman is settling at March 17, 2024 08:19 PM (Wg1x4)

137 At first, when I was cleaning Mrs Splunge's Glock, I thought: look at all that plastic! Is this even a gun?

Now I think: what a marvel of simple, genius design and engineering. Field stripping and cleaning and reassembling is the simplest thing in the world. Let's go Gaston.

Posted by: Splunge at March 17, 2024 08:19 PM (oBPoz)

138 RI Red, I'll let you know how the Viper works out.

I was looking at a Night Force in the same price range and decided to go with the Vortex Viper because I like I the reticle better.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at March 17, 2024 08:20 PM (tT6L1)

139 Ben Had, darn right Corsicana is on my list this year. I owe you a conversation over a cup of coffee.

Same with SiD.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at March 17, 2024 08:22 PM (tT6L1)

140 I'm late to the thread because I was at the range setting the zero stop on my new Vortex Viper Scope.

Is this a plus or a minus on my permanent record?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at March 17, 2024 08:14 PM

*Viper fistbump*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 17, 2024 08:22 PM (Wnv9h)

141 Fair Winds And Following Seas whig!...It will get tough as time goes on but remember to enjoy every day as the gift it is with your loved ones.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 17, 2024 08:10 PM (R/m4+)

111 Welcome to retirement whig, now you'll never get a day off!! LOL. I've been retired for 6 years, I skied 5 days and went to the range twice last week. I'm "working a double" tomorrow. Ski in the morning off to the range in the afternoon.
Posted by: ck
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Thanks for the kind thoughts and advice.

Posted by: whig at March 17, 2024 08:22 PM (hKOIV)

142 Splunge, may all the stars align to make this so. You will be conscripted to the kitchen and Mrs.Splunge will be on a horse

Posted by: Ben Had at March 17, 2024 08:23 PM (KOTyN)

143 Polynikes, guaranteed enjoyment. And great truck/trunk gun.
Posted by: RI Red at March 17, 2024 08:18 PM (BjNEK)

I like the folding design better than the Kel Tec sub 2000 because you can put optics on it . I really like my 2000 though because it takes my 33 rd Glock mags.

Posted by: polynikes at March 17, 2024 08:24 PM (MNhXM)

144 >>>Check YouTube "Honest Outlaw" for reviews.
He seems... honest.

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That's actually where I saw the recommendation. A fellow Iowan, so...

Posted by: Turn 2 at March 17, 2024 08:24 PM (JfxgE)

145 *fistbump*

Practice with your rifle. Distant targets are calling.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState
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I might have an opportunity to do so in the near future. I've just about forgot how to shoot my AR as I didn't really get to do much with it last year in TX.

You might want to keep your expectations low. I think those 2 hits last year were beginners luck.

Posted by: screaming in digital at March 17, 2024 08:24 PM (1eY81)

146 After the little home invasion incident up here in NNH I mentioned last week, I gave DILIT some manual of arms training on ARs yesterday.
I expected some awkwardness, but no.
Having shot my S&W FPC, she immediately commented on the magazine going into the receiver instead of the pistol grip.

I like her.
Jr. best get his act together. Soon.

Posted by: RI Red at March 17, 2024 08:25 PM (BjNEK)

147 In G19 world you could go with a brand new PSA Dagger. They sell new ~$300 though I saw a sale this weekend at $249.
Posted by: blaster
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I know MAE likes his and has given several range reports but I don't recommend something that I have not shot.

Glocks tend to just work and the M&P line is about as reliable.

Posted by: whig at March 17, 2024 08:25 PM (hKOIV)

148 I emailed you the listing. If I made a terrible mistake, don't tell me, because it's too late!
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 17, 2024 08:09 PM

Eeep! From you PM account? I'm not seeing it, and it's not trapped on the server spam filter.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 17, 2024 08:26 PM (a3Q+t)

149 Blake, we will chat soon.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 17, 2024 08:27 PM (KOTyN)

150 I was just over looking at Buds guns website and they have a franklin armory BSFIII binary trigger installed complete AR lower for $431.

The trigger system itself retails for $386.99 from Franklin Armory.

I wish I had not seen that.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 17, 2024 08:27 PM (QNSds)

151 Blaster, have a great time killing steel. Look forward to the range report!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at March 17, 2024 08:27 PM (tT6L1)

152 Well, dangit.
Posted by: GWB
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I know, right? I'll be back from England, but just barely, and cannot get away again immediately after. I'd be too jet lagged to enjoy it even if I could. I'm disappointed to miss seeing everybody and I also wanted to get back to Udvar Hazy again!

Posted by: screaming in digital at March 17, 2024 08:28 PM (1eY81)

153 Jr. best get his act together. Soon.
Posted by: RI Red at March 17, 2024 08:25 PM (BjNEK)

Can you just skip the wedding and swap her for Junior?

Posted by: GWB at March 17, 2024 08:29 PM (69JzL)

154 I was looking at a Night Force in the same price range and decided to go with the Vortex Viper because I like I the reticle better.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at March 17, 2024 08:20 PM

IMHO, Viper glass is a good as Nightforce glass. The mechanicals aren't quite as good, but Vortex's lifetime warranty can't be beat.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 17, 2024 08:30 PM (a3Q+t)

155 Oh, and on the pistol front: I asked my local Kimber dealer to get some info on the Kimber KDS9C. It's on my list of pistols to acquire.

I may have a made a mistake, though, I asked for the SS and, now that I've thought about it, probably should have gone with black.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at March 17, 2024 08:31 PM (tT6L1)

156 142 Splunge, may all the stars align to make this so. You will be conscripted to the kitchen and Mrs.Splunge will be on a horse
Posted by: Ben Had at March 17, 2024 08:23 PM (KOTyN)

Apparently you know what we both like.

Posted by: Splunge at March 17, 2024 08:31 PM (oBPoz)

157 Eeep! From you PM account? I'm not seeing it, and it's not trapped on the server spam filter.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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Well there is always the possibility that I didn't press Send. But it looks like it went, from this end. Lemme try again...

Posted by: screaming in digital at March 17, 2024 08:32 PM (1eY81)

158 Can you just skip the wedding and swap her for Junior?
Posted by: GWB at March 17, 2024 08:29 PM (69JzL)
I believe I’ll mention that to Jr. when he gets off his ship next week.
The funny thing is, Jr. is our one and only, so I’ve never had a daughter. She feels exactly like what I’d have wanted.
And she wants boys. For Little League. Can’t get much better than that.

Posted by: RI Red at March 17, 2024 08:33 PM (BjNEK)

159 Same with SiD.
Posted by: blake
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I'm so looking forward to that!

Posted by: screaming in digital at March 17, 2024 08:33 PM (1eY81)

160 I was just over looking at Buds guns website and they have a franklin armory BSFIII binary trigger installed complete AR lower for $431.
The trigger system itself retails for $386.99 from Franklin Armory.
I wish I had not seen that.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 17, 2024 08:27 PM (QNSds)

That my friend is called an opportunity.

When it knocks open the door...

(runs to see what the hell Bud's is doing)

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 17, 2024 08:33 PM (R/m4+)

161 MSR Pro Tip: If you buy the upper and lower separately, you avoid the excise tax charged by buying both together assembled into a complete MSR.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 17, 2024 08:37 PM (a3Q+t)

162 I know MAE likes his and has given several range reports but I don't recommend something that I have not shot.

Glocks tend to just work and the M&P line is about as reliable.
Posted by: whig at March 17, 2024 08:25 PM (hKOIV)

The Dagger is a clone(ish) of Gen 3 G19. So it pretty much just works, and you get the advantage of being able to use almost all the Glock accessories too

Posted by: blaster at March 17, 2024 08:37 PM (IFNME)

163 IMHO, Viper glass is a good as Nightforce glass. The mechanicals aren't quite as good, but Vortex's lifetime warranty can't be beat.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 17, 2024 08:30 PM (a3Q+t)
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Thank you for the information.

This is also my first scope with an illuminated reticle. I'm looking forward to playing with it.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at March 17, 2024 08:37 PM (tT6L1)

164 I watched an episode of Gun Stories a few days ago on the SMG M2 Hyde which I had never heard of before. It was a .45 SMG that was supposed to be cheaper and easier to produce than the Thompson though it wasn’t much of either. The reason I probably didn’t hear of it is the M3 became the ultimate choice because it was stamped and a 9mm.

Posted by: polynikes at March 17, 2024 08:38 PM (MNhXM)

165 Change of pace:
Has anyone swapped out the standard Glock 44 sights yet? I assume any G19 sights would fit.

Posted by: RI Red at March 17, 2024 08:38 PM (BjNEK)

166 Posted by: RI Red at March 17, 2024 08:33 PM (BjNEK)

Your son found a unicorn. You’re both very fortunate.

Posted by: polynikes at March 17, 2024 08:40 PM (MNhXM)

167 I was just over looking at Buds guns website and they have a franklin armory BSFIII binary trigger installed complete AR lower for $431.
The trigger system itself retails for $386.99 from Franklin Armory.
I wish I had not seen that.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 17, 2024 08:27 PM (QNSds)

That my friend is called an opportunity.

When it knocks open the door...

(runs to see what the hell Bud's is doing)

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 17, 2024 08:33 PM

I am thinking about getting one and a complete upper in 300 blackout to run with my suppressor.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 17, 2024 08:40 PM (QNSds)

168 Ed L, thanks for sharing that beautiful revolver with us!!

Yes, I'm just now reading the content. *dares Weasel to make a mark on the permanent record*

*Permanent record MARKED! - W*

Posted by: screaming in digital at March 17, 2024 08:40 PM (1eY81)

169 OK, I have to get some rest before going to get my BiL at the airport - he's coming in in the middle of the night.

So, thanks, again, Weasel, for the Gun Thread!

I'm looking forward to the NoVaMoMe and will start making appropriate plans. Gonna miss folks who won't be there.

Y'all have a safe and ND-free night.

Posted by: GWB at March 17, 2024 08:42 PM (69JzL)

170 I am thinking about getting one and a complete upper in 300 blackout to run with my suppressor.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 17, 2024 08:40 PM (QNSds)

Sweet! That will be a fine setup and fun.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 17, 2024 08:42 PM (R/m4+)

171 SiD, thank you for the reminder.

Yes, Ed, thank you for the great write up on the revolver.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at March 17, 2024 08:44 PM (tT6L1)

172 Grateful - Congrats on your new Sig!!! That is awesome news!

+1 to Ed L's advice re: snap caps

Posted by: screaming in digital at March 17, 2024 08:44 PM (1eY81)

173 Also, the post number for this Gun Thread is a dyslexic numerical palindrome.

Posted by: GWB at March 17, 2024 08:44 PM (69JzL)

174 Well there is always the possibility that I didn't press Send. But it looks like it went, from this end. Lemme try again...

Posted by: screaming in digital at March 17, 2024 08:32 PM

Got 'em both. Sweet! You've achieved a Score, one which will be admired by everyone on the GT who is lucky enough to see it!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 17, 2024 08:51 PM (a3Q+t)

175 Just watched the SEH video.
Weasel, do you think we can get her to come to Corsicana?

Posted by: RI Red at March 17, 2024 08:53 PM (BjNEK)

176 Just watched the SEH video.
Weasel, do you think we can get her to come to Corsicana?
Posted by: RI Red at March 17, 2024 08:53 PM

Since everyone is looking at their shoes, do you think anyone would recognize her?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 17, 2024 08:54 PM (a3Q+t)

177 175 Just watched the SEH video.
Weasel, do you think we can get her to come to Corsicana?
Posted by: RI Red at March 17, 2024 08:53 PM (BjNEK)

With her 6 ft 3 husband.

Posted by: blaster at March 17, 2024 08:55 PM (IFNME)

178 Polynikes, I’ve already volunteered to help with homeschooling.
I told them that I’d do math, ballistics, PT, history, that sort of thing.

Posted by: RI Red at March 17, 2024 08:55 PM (BjNEK)

179 You might want to keep your expectations low. I think those 2 hits last year were beginners luck.
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 17, 2024 08:24 PM

Clearly not. They were obviously the result of outstanding coaching.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 17, 2024 08:56 PM (Wnv9h)

180 Yeah, I think Stavroula and her cop husband could be good Morons.

Posted by: RI Red at March 17, 2024 08:57 PM (BjNEK)

181 Wanted to say thank you for the responses to my questions about holsters last week. Wound up with an all leather Uncle Mikes with a metal clip for IWB. Cheap sturdy and available at my local PSA store.

Seems comfy, but I wonder about the trigger guard ends bending inward with wear.

Thanks again for the helpful suggestions.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at March 17, 2024 08:57 PM (wBaIH)

182 Just watched the SEH video.
Weasel, do you think we can get her to come to Corsicana?
Posted by: RI Red at March 17, 2024 08:53 PM

More importantly, does Greeky Girl have a single sister? Inquiring single Greeks want to know.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 17, 2024 08:58 PM (Wnv9h)

183 Polynikes, I’ve already volunteered to help with homeschooling.
I told them that I’d do math, ballistics, PT, history, that sort of thing.
Posted by: RI Red at March 17, 2024 08:55 PM (BjNEK)
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This sounds suspiciously like an excuse to get in more range time.

History of firearms: Check
Ballistics is self-evident
Is buying ammo in bulk more cost effective than single boxes: Math.
2 gun competitions, steel challenge, IDPA and USPSA: PT.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at March 17, 2024 08:59 PM (tT6L1)

184 RMBS, I know she has a married sister. We’ll just have to invite her and ask about sisters, cousins, aunts, nieces.

Posted by: RI Red at March 17, 2024 08:59 PM (BjNEK)

185 Dismantling Your Nuclear Weapon(s)

The top ten things you don't want to hear from the other guy when you're dismantling a nuclear weapon:

10. Hi, I'm Joe Biden.
9. Six more and we're done for the day!
8. I'm surprised they let felons do this.
7. It's righty-tighty, lefty-loosey, right?
6. What's that clicking sound?
5. My pronouns are Xe/Xer!
4. Wait, should I have cut the red wire?
3. Do you like my new glasses? First day with bifocals!
2. Should this part be glowing?
1. BOO!

Posted by: mikeski at March 17, 2024 09:01 PM (DgGvY)

186 Blake, et al., I bet we could come up with a hellava syllabus.

Posted by: RI Red at March 17, 2024 09:04 PM (BjNEK)

187 Well, time to wander.

Later!

Thanks, Weasel!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at March 17, 2024 09:05 PM (tT6L1)

188 RMBS, I know she has a married sister. We’ll just have to invite her and ask about sisters, cousins, aunts, nieces.
Posted by: RI Red at March 17, 2024 08:59 PM

Why do I not meet these women when they're single? Not cool, Life. Not. Cool.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 17, 2024 09:05 PM (Wnv9h)

189 mikeski @ 185- top 10
You forgot:
I have to pee. Real bad. Could you just hold this button down until I get back? Be just a minute.

Posted by: Eromero at March 17, 2024 09:05 PM (NxC5+)

190 Last week, several regulars kicked around the awful state of things in Colorado, where, they said, an assault rifle ban was about to go into effect, spoiling people's plans to move to Montrose.

In fact, next Wednesday begins the public comment period for the proposed law, which is not yet out of committee, has not been voted on, and is NOT the law in Colorado. If you are a resident, or in a contiguous state, you should be making a public statement on this. Similar proposals have been stopped twice in the last three years. Here's how:

https://tinyurl.com/2yjrejwk

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at March 17, 2024 09:06 PM (zdLoL)

191 Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at March 17, 2024 08:57 PM (wBaIH)

I've been using the Uncle Mikes polyester IWB with plastic clip for almost 30 years to carry my Glock 19. Easy to remove and put on again when I get in and out of my vehicle and other instances where that's necessary.

Posted by: polynikes at March 17, 2024 09:08 PM (GzpNE)

192 Posted by: polynikes at March 17, 2024 08:38 PM (MNhXM)

Most M3s (and M3A1s) were in .45 ACP. Only a few going to the OSS were in 9mm. Another strike against the M2 Hyde was that it required wood (i.e. walnut) for the stock and foregrip. By the time the Hyde should have gone into production (late 1942 to early 1943), walnut was considered a strategic material due to its use not just in new production M1 Garands and M1 Carbines, but in replacement stocks for those weapons. Anything that could be substituted for walnut gained favor w/ US Army Ordinance. The M3, which required NO walnut (or any kind of wood), would have immediately gained to the Hyde's detriment.

Posted by: Ed L at March 17, 2024 09:09 PM (yRXSd)

193 I've been reading through American Rifleman magazines from 1933-1935, to get insights into the Federal Firearms Act of 1934, and am finding that episode of the End of America is little understood.

Posted by: LenNeal at March 17, 2024 09:10 PM (9yXr+)

194 Also for tiny carry, I don't carry small 9s, I carry airweight .38s.

For the 9s I carry, I do full-size pistols in appropriate holsters.

Honestly I never do IWB I don't like them. If the holster is designed properly and rides high enough, it will OWB under a sweatshirt, which in Northern MidWest is basically all the time.
When walking to work in the middle of the night in summer, WI has open carry so I don't even bother trying to conceal.

Posted by: LenNeal at March 17, 2024 09:14 PM (9yXr+)

195 RMBS, if 1. Mrs. R. were to pass, and b. I were to want to have another “life partner”,
I would consider the female members of this blog to be the first place I’d peruse.

Sorry, weasel, didn’t mean to turn this into Gunter.

Posted by: RI Red at March 17, 2024 09:15 PM (BjNEK)

196 >>> If you are a resident, or in a contiguous state, you should be making a public statement on this. Similar proposals have been stopped twice in the last three years. Here's how:

https://tinyurl.com/2yjrejwk
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver

Don't live there, but if I did,
"Didn't Miller explicitly uphold that the 2nd covered weapons with military use for civilian ownership?"

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 17, 2024 09:22 PM (cOq4q)

197 I would consider the female members of this blog to be the first place I’d peruse.
Posted by: RI Red at March 17, 2024 09:15 PM

From what I've been able to gather, assuming you don't skip leg day, showing up at the TxMoMe in a kilt would get you perused by the lovely lasses there.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 17, 2024 09:22 PM (a3Q+t)

198 RMBS, if 1. Mrs. R. were to pass, and b. I were to want to have another “life partner”,
I would consider the female members of this blog to be the first place I’d peruse.
Sorry, weasel, didn’t mean to turn this into Gunter.
Posted by: RI Red'

Haha! A biker dude I worked with came to work construction, and told me his Old Lady told him if he died she'd never get married again. Would he?
He said, "Immediately! I can't take care of myself."

Posted by: LenNeal at March 17, 2024 09:22 PM (9yXr+)

199 I've been reading through American Rifleman magazines from 1933-1935, to get insights into the Federal Firearms Act of 1934, and am finding that episode of the End of America is little understood.
Posted by: LenNeal at March 17, 2024 09:10 PM (9yXr+)

If I remember right, most people at the time were not interested in full auto anything and were unfamiliar with it as well as no real need for it. The feds, using scare tactics and the desire to look like they were "doing sumthin" to fight violent criminals who liked full auto anything, came up with the NFA nonsense. No law abiding citizen wanted full auto anyways and no one in their right minds would pay a $200.00 tax for something so silly as a "Tax Stamp" so new law passes. Typical federal grandstanding which bites the ass all these years later.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 17, 2024 09:24 PM (R/m4+)

200 Also I admit I've thought a couple of times, as I have a couple of WWII-era bolt action rifles, when I'm walking to work at 03:00 simply slinging a rifle instead of strapping on a pistol.

It would be funny, it's not illegal. Probably people would get used to it in a few weeks.

"Oh, it's that guy walking to work with his rifle."

Posted by: LenNeal at March 17, 2024 09:24 PM (9yXr+)

201 No law abiding citizen wanted full auto anyways and no one in their right minds would pay a $200.00 tax for something so silly as a "Tax Stamp" so new law passes. Typical federal grandstanding which bites the ass all these years later.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy'

Not as simple as that! I'm doing the research right now. It's relevant.

Posted by: LenNeal at March 17, 2024 09:26 PM (9yXr+)

202 Dismantling Your Nuclear Weapon(s)

The top ten things you don't want to hear from the other guy when you're dismantling a nuclear weapon:

Hold my beer.

This one still gives me night mares. We had a warhead that was blowing fuses. On the arming circuit. After much coffee, some very loose bowels, and a squinty eyed multimeter probing.

Some dumbass wired the fusing and arming circuit backwards by forcing the w88 cable on with two heads swapped. Basicall, no matter what, the fooker was armed and waiting for trigger. All. The. Time.

Sgt. Bif squated on the floor for ten minutes hyperbreathing before he could stand back up after disconnecting the cable.

One of the reasons i drink now.

Posted by: BifBewalski at March 17, 2024 09:27 PM (MsrgL)

203 I would consider the female members of this blog to be the first place I’d peruse.
Posted by: RI Red at March 17, 2024 09:15 PM

The 'ettes are the best. This is a Known Thing.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 17, 2024 09:27 PM (Wnv9h)

204 OK everyone. 9:27 thank you time.

Thank you, and hope to see you next Sunday!

Posted by: Weasel at March 17, 2024 09:27 PM (JwHpX)

205 The 1934 FFA was targeted at handguns.

Posted by: LenNeal at March 17, 2024 09:27 PM (9yXr+)

206 Posted by: LenNeal at March 17, 2024 09:10 PM (9yXr+)

I think it's hard for us today, nearly 100 years on, to really understand the impact of widespread violent crime in the Roaring 20s and early 1930s. Unlike today, where violent crime is concentrated in the nation's urban centers, violence roiled both the city and country alike. The introduction of the automobile (but not two-way car radios) allowed Bonnie and Clyde to range as far as Dexter, IA (population less than 1,000 in 1930) before they were finally killed in May 1933. Given the widespread coverage Bonnie and Clyde, John Dillinger, and other infamous criminals got for their use of automatic weapons in 1931-1934, it's not terribly surprising that the NFA got passed in 1934.

Posted by: Ed L at March 17, 2024 09:28 PM (yRXSd)

207 One of the reasons i drink now.
Posted by: BifBewalski at March 17, 2024 09:27 PM

O_o

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 17, 2024 09:28 PM (Wnv9h)

208 OK everyone. 9:27 thank you time.

Thank you, and hope to see you next Sunday!
Posted by: Weasel at March 17, 2024 09:27 PM

Thanks for a great Gub Thread, Weasel. Peace, out.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 17, 2024 09:29 PM (Wnv9h)

209 Thanks for hosting, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at March 17, 2024 09:29 PM (yRXSd)

210 Some dumbass wired the fusing and arming circuit backwards by forcing the w88 cable on with two heads swapped. Basicall, no matter what, the fooker was armed and waiting for trigger. All. The. Time.

Sgt. Bif squated on the floor for ten minutes hyperbreathing before he could stand back up after disconnecting the cable.

One of the reasons i drink now.
Posted by: BifBewalski'

I missed the Book Thread but I have a copy of 'U.S. Air Force Tactical Missiles, 1949-1969, The Pioneers', about the Mace missiles and the totally half-assed control and human failures in charge of these awesome weapons.

Posted by: LenNeal at March 17, 2024 09:29 PM (9yXr+)

211 it's not terribly surprising that the NFA got passed in 1934.
Posted by: Ed L'

Untrue. It was long in planning and it was designed after the Sullivan Law. That is what I am learning. It was designed to outlaw handguns.

Posted by: LenNeal at March 17, 2024 09:31 PM (9yXr+)

212 Howdy

pew pew

(makes car tire squealing noises, wanders out of thread)

Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at March 17, 2024 09:32 PM (sAmhv)

213 200 Also I admit I've thought a couple of times, as I have a couple of WWII-era bolt action rifles, when I'm walking to work at 03:00 simply slinging a rifle instead of strapping on a pistol.

It would be funny, it's not illegal. Probably people would get used to it in a few weeks.

"Oh, it's that guy walking to work with his rifle."
Posted by: LenNeal at March 17, 2024 09:24 PM
You just may have described the not too distant future.

Posted by: Eromero at March 17, 2024 09:32 PM (NxC5+)

214 Some dumbass wired the fusing and arming circuit backwards by forcing the w88 cable on with two heads swapped. Basicall, no matter what, the fooker was armed and waiting for trigger. All. The. Time.

Sgt. Bif squated on the floor for ten minutes hyperbreathing before he could stand back up after disconnecting the cable.

One of the reasons i drink now.
Posted by: BifBewalski'

I did a land mine once. That was enough.

Posted by: LenNeal at March 17, 2024 09:33 PM (9yXr+)

215 Evening all...
What did I think about?
Trigger pull. 10 rounds
Sight picture. 10 rounds
Both. 10 rounds
Swap out magazines. 10 rounds

Posted by: Diogenes at March 17, 2024 09:34 PM (W/lyH)

216 Howdy
pew pew
(makes car tire squealing noises, wanders out of thread)
Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew'

Missed me!

Posted by: LenNeal, on his porch at March 17, 2024 09:34 PM (9yXr+)

217 The 1934 FFA was targeted at handguns.

Ian at Forgotten Weapons has a video on how this led directly to the nonsensical "short barreled rifle" and "sawed off shotgun" rules we have now.

Posted by: Oddbob at March 17, 2024 09:35 PM (sNc8Y)

218 I’m late but I’m here!
Happy saint patties day to all you green beer drinkers!

Posted by: Rancherbob at March 17, 2024 09:36 PM (21WHr)

219 You just may have described the not too distant future.
Posted by: Eromero'

Actually it's my current reality, I don't walk to work at 03:00 without a gun anyway and I think everyone knows it, so it would just be funny.

Posted by: LenNeal, on his porch at March 17, 2024 09:36 PM (9yXr+)

220 Good evening all and as always, thank you Weasel. No range time but I finally got my poor 1866 Yellowboy up and running - did most of the armory work myself. Now to the reloading bench to work up some .45. Missed this month’s local SASS meeting because of reasons. It’s been almighty long - almost a year.

Posted by: Coelacanth at March 17, 2024 09:37 PM (OyOhQ)

221 Ian at Forgotten Weapons has a video on how this led directly to the nonsensical "short barreled rifle" and "sawed off shotgun" rules we have now.
Posted by: Oddbob'

I'm doing research right now at what was going on for that. Ian is correct but he runs a YouTube Channel and has to make a living, and I do not care.

Posted by: LenNeal, on his porch at March 17, 2024 09:38 PM (9yXr+)

222 Posted by: Rancherbob at March 17, 2024 09:36 PM (21WHr)
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Howdy Rancherbob!

Posted by: Weasel at March 17, 2024 09:38 PM (JwHpX)

223 I missed the Book Thread but I have a copy of 'U.S. Air Force Tactical Missiles, 1949-1969, The Pioneers', about the Mace missiles and the totally half-assed control and human failures in charge of these awesome weapons.

Posted by: LenNeal

If the free world knew how half assed and funar the nuke forces were duting the cold war, they'd crap diamonds. That book is very close. Nike was manned by some seriously effed up troops, and some truly clueless dumbphucks (i fit into the latter). Our battery had a guilty as fuck attempted manslaughter knife wielder controlling nukes. Battery commander bailed him out with company grade ucmj. No double jeapordy. Punishment served. I slept with my .45 when on four day duty with that asshole around.

Posted by: BifBewalski at March 17, 2024 09:38 PM (MsrgL)

224 The 1934 FFA was targeted at handguns.
Posted by: LenNeal at March 17, 2024 09:27 PM (9yXr+)

Wow! I did not know that. I think if you could do a short summation one week it would a great addition for this thread.

Now I will be off this week chasing down this part of history as it's been awhile.

Thanks LenNeal!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 17, 2024 09:40 PM (R/m4+)

225 No sooner was the FFA of 1934 passed than the sponsors expressed fury and tried to amend draconian handgun bans to it, starting in, who would'a thunk, women's voter groups in California.

Posted by: LenNeal, on his porch at March 17, 2024 09:40 PM (9yXr+)

226 Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 17, 2024 09:24 PM (R/m4+)

Keep in mind that during that era, $300 was the average Joe's annual paycheck (or a big part of it) for a whole YEAR. The Thompson, priced at $250 each (w/ a Cutts Compensator), was simply unaffordable for most, despite Auto Ordinance's marketing. The $200 NFA tax stamp essentially doubled the price, making further sales to anyone outside of government impossible. Auto Ordinance, which had lived off of the initial 15,000 gun production run from Colt in 1921, now found itself increasingly insolvent since it now couldn't sell what it had in stock. By 1939, Auto Ordinance "reorganized" (de facto Chapter 11), just as WWII began. The Brits saved Auto Ordinance when they bought up every Thompson submachinegun they could lay their hands on in case the Germans invaded Britain, and later, to arm the Commandos.

Posted by: Ed L at March 17, 2024 09:40 PM (yRXSd)

227 I'm thinking of putting new wheels on my trail bike and putting it in my truck cause I don't want to walk home 10 miles.

Posted by: Eromero at March 17, 2024 09:41 PM (NxC5+)

228 If the free world knew how half assed and funar the nuke forces were'

It's true.
Monkeys with typewriters.

Posted by: LenNeal, on his porch at March 17, 2024 09:41 PM (9yXr+)

229 Howdy Weasel!

Posted by: Rancherbob at March 17, 2024 09:41 PM (21WHr)

230 Just watched the M1A video.
It’s a good thing I have a current project.
Thx, weasel. All is good.

Posted by: RI Red at March 17, 2024 09:41 PM (BjNEK)

231 Sgt. Bif squated on the floor for ten minutes hyperbreathing before he could stand back up after disconnecting the cable.
One of the reasons i drink now.

Posted by: BifBewalski at March 17, 2024 09:27 PM (MsrgL)

Reminds me of the time at Ft Hood when, after guard duty and the weapons and ammunition were turned in, a round was missing. I was appointed as investigating officer. Round was never recovered. Much paperwork was involved.

The military, the long and the short of it.

Posted by: javems at March 17, 2024 09:41 PM (8I4hW)

232 Sgt. Bif squated on the floor for ten minutes hyperbreathing before he could stand back up after disconnecting the cable.

One of the reasons i drink now.
Posted by: BifBewalski at March 17, 2024 09:27 PM (MsrgL)
***

In all my years in NRAS and artillery special weapons, I never had an event like that.
I never trusted those Lance guys though.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 17, 2024 09:42 PM (W/lyH)

233 The Brits saved Auto Ordinance when they bought up every Thompson submachinegun they could lay their hands on in case the Germans invaded Britain, and later, to arm the Commandos.
Posted by: Ed L'

The FFA of 1934 allowed for a free period of registration. The trope that it automatically cost any owner of a Marble Game Getter USD$200 to own it is not true.
I'm doing the research right now and the facts are not as recalled in folklore.

Posted by: LenNeal, on his porch at March 17, 2024 09:43 PM (9yXr+)

234 Rancherbob - howdy! Three weeks and one day to mid-day full darkness!

Posted by: Gref at March 17, 2024 09:43 PM (5fDan)

235 Posted by: LenNeal at March 17, 2024 09:31 PM (9yXr+)

I'm sure it was long in the planning. But the constant shootouts appearing in the papers and on radio featuring Thompsons and BARs at that time sure didn't hurt the case the proponents of the NFA put forward to get the bill passed.

Posted by: Ed L at March 17, 2024 09:43 PM (yRXSd)

236 Disassembling a nuke: I'm not sure I got enough info from the video. Need hands-on practice.
💣💢

That narrator sounded familiar. Was that anyone whose name we'd recognize or just generic government film narrator guy?

Posted by: mindful webworker - economically atomic at March 17, 2024 09:44 PM (8NNF8)

237 Posted by: Diogenes at March 17, 2024 09:34 PM (W/lyH)
----
Great! Do you think it helps?

Posted by: Weasel at March 17, 2024 09:44 PM (JwHpX)

238 I never trusted those Lance guys though.
Posted by: Diogenes'

It's a different missile!

Posted by: LenNeal, with no penis envy at all at March 17, 2024 09:44 PM (9yXr+)

239 218 I’m late but I’m here!
Happy saint patties day to all you green beer drinkers!

Posted by: Rancherbob at March 17, 2024 09:36 PM (21WHr)

Read that as saint panties day. I'll drink to either, as I like to drink.

Posted by: javems at March 17, 2024 09:45 PM (8I4hW)

240 Ed, but knowing what we know about gaslighting, the media and the deepstate, I wonder how much of it was social engineering.

Posted by: RI Red at March 17, 2024 09:45 PM (BjNEK)

241 Keep in mind that during that era, $300 was the average Joe's annual paycheck (or a big part of it) for a whole YEAR. The Thompson, priced at $250 each (w/ a Cutts Compensator), was simply unaffordable for most, despite Auto Ordinance's marketing. The $200 NFA tax stamp essentially doubled the price, making further sales to anyone outside of government impossible.
Posted by: Ed L at March 17, 2024 09:40 PM (yRXSd)

Yes, that's how I understood it. The tax was so large that no normal joe would want to pay it in 1930's money.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 17, 2024 09:47 PM (R/m4+)

242 One of the reasons i drink now.
Posted by: BifBewalski'

I did a land mine once. That was enough.
Posted by: LenNeal

There is a photo floating around in the interwebs of a S. Vietnamese soldier with a small(ish) mortar round stuck in him that a USN surgeon had to operate to remove it.

Found it!!

https://tinyurl.com/42ztfjrj

"Hey Doc, how'd your day go?"

F-f-f-f-f-f-fine.

Posted by: Tonypete at March 17, 2024 09:48 PM (WXNFJ)

243 I'm sure it was long in the planning. But the constant shootouts appearing in the papers and on radio featuring Thompsons and BARs at that time sure didn't hurt the case the proponents of the NFA put forward to get the bill passed.
Posted by: Ed L'

Despite what anyone may have seen in 1960s-1970s movies, shootouts with automatic weapons were with guns stolen from Army armories.
AR magazines from the mid-1930s are rife with exasperation with the Media lying like dogs. Occurrences, well, you know what? The Media under Roosevelt lied like bitches.
They sucked him like faggots.
Your statement is partly false.

Posted by: LenNeal, with no penis envy at all at March 17, 2024 09:48 PM (9yXr+)

244 I'm sure it was long in the planning. But the constant shootouts appearing in the papers and on radio featuring Thompsons and BARs at that time sure didn't hurt the case the proponents of the NFA put forward to get the bill passed.
Posted by: Ed L at March 17, 2024 09:43 PM
And that was 1934, when the democommies didn't control 100% of the media and feral government, as they do today.

Posted by: Eromero at March 17, 2024 09:49 PM (NxC5+)

245 Great! Do you think it helps?
Posted by: Weasel at March 17, 2024 09:44 PM (JwHpX)

Absolutely.
I seem to have perpetual trigger issues so I work that every time. And the sight picture is the 'ol with glasses and without thing. Annoying but thats why we practice.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 17, 2024 09:49 PM (W/lyH)

246 Yes, that's how I understood it. The tax was so large that no normal joe would want to pay it in 1930's money.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy'

That is NOT TRUE.

There was an amnesty period to register for no cost at all.

Posted by: LenNeal at March 17, 2024 09:49 PM (9yXr+)

247 Socialists wanted to disarm Americans and Roosevelt was a big Socialist.

Posted by: polynikes at March 17, 2024 09:50 PM (GzpNE)

248 Bif, I may have been involved in dismantling Nike sites in Wisconsin back in the 70s, with Chinooks carrying them and me with MPs in my Huey.
As a lowly W-1 aviator, I would have been in charge of the ground forces MPs if we had a Broken Arrow incident.
I sort of figured it didn’t matter since any problem would have been instantaneous.

Posted by: RI Red at March 17, 2024 09:51 PM (BjNEK)

249 247 Socialists wanted to disarm Americans and Roosevelt was a big Socialist.
Posted by: polynikes'

Did I state otherwise? I'm doing the research on HOW it happened, so it can't be repeated. It's taken what 70+ years to claw back those rights?

I don't see YOU doing the work.

Posted by: LenNeal at March 17, 2024 09:51 PM (9yXr+)

250 I sort of figured it didn’t matter since any problem would have been instantaneous.
Posted by: RI Red'

HAHA! My thought about the land mine.

Posted by: LenNeal at March 17, 2024 09:52 PM (9yXr+)

251 You just may have described the not too distant future.

Posted by: Eromero at March 17, 2024 09:32 PM (NxC5+)

A 10 round Mossberg 590 or an AR15 in 300 Blackout would be a powerful message to the yutes.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 17, 2024 09:53 PM (wUZN8)

252 There was an amnesty period to register for no cost at all.
Posted by: LenNeal at March 17, 2024 09:49 PM (9yXr+M

How long was the period? It doesn't eliminate their ultimate intention. It was just another tool to get it through.

Posted by: polynikes at March 17, 2024 09:53 PM (GzpNE)

253 239 218 I’m late but I’m here!
Happy saint patties day to all you green beer drinkers!

Posted by: Rancherbob at March 17, 2024 09:36 PM (21WHr)

Read that as saint panties day. I'll drink to either, as I like to drink.
Posted by: javems at March 17, 2024 09:45 PM
Believe it or not, my first drink of Saint Patrick's Day was an accidentally poured Capain Morgan, NOT Tullamore dew. So my second drink is another Captain Morgan.

Posted by: Eromero at March 17, 2024 09:54 PM (NxC5+)

254 There is a photo floating around in the interwebs of a S. Vietnamese soldier with a small(ish) mortar round stuck in him that a USN surgeon had to operate to remove it.

Found it!!

https://tinyurl.com/42ztfjrj

"Hey Doc, how'd your day go?"

F-f-f-f-f-f-fine.

Posted by: Tonypete at March 17, 2024 09:48 PM (WXNFJ)

Lucky day or unlucky day?

Posted by: javems at March 17, 2024 09:54 PM (8I4hW)

255 CBD!
About damn time.

Posted by: RI Red at March 17, 2024 09:55 PM (BjNEK)

256 Absolutely.
I seem to have perpetual trigger issues so I work that every time. And the sight picture is the 'ol with glasses and without thing. Annoying but thats why we practice.
Posted by: Diogenes'

Well, to talk actual 'guns', the best trigger training in my opinion is with a decent Smith and Wesson K-Frame. The sights with the later models are outstanding, the World Standard. and when S&W had to compete against autoloaders they really upped their game and presented some of the finest DA triggers to very exist. Focus on the front sight and forget everything else, and then work from there.

Posted by: LenNeal at March 17, 2024 09:56 PM (9yXr+)

257 Call me old fashioned but I think the M-14 was the finest infantry weapon made. Evah.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 17, 2024 09:57 PM (W/lyH)

258 And the sight picture is the 'ol with glasses and without thing. Annoying but thats why we practice.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 17, 2024 09:49 PM (W/lyH)

When you figure it out, please call me!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 17, 2024 09:58 PM (wUZN8)

259 Call me old fashioned but I think the M-14 was the finest infantry weapon made. Evah.
Posted by: Diogenes'

I'll argue that. FN FAL.

Posted by: LenNeal at March 17, 2024 09:59 PM (9yXr+)

260 Believe it or not, my first drink of Saint Patrick's Day was an accidentally poured Capain Morgan, NOT Tullamore dew. So my second drink is another Captain Morgan.

Posted by: Eromero at March 17, 2024 09:54 PM (NxC5+)

Consistency is important when imbibing.

Posted by: javems at March 17, 2024 09:59 PM (8I4hW)

261 There is a photo floating around in the interwebs of a S. Vietnamese soldier with a small(ish) mortar round stuck in him that a USN surgeon had to operate to remove it.

Found it!!

https://tinyurl.com/42ztfjrj

"Hey Doc, how'd your day go?"

F-f-f-f-f-f-fine.
Posted by: Tonypete at March 17, 2024 09:48 PM

Yeah...a few years back there was an article about a classmate of mine (we were pre-med together) who, in Afghanistan, had to remove an unexploded RPG round from a soldier's chest. Operation was tense, but successful.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 17, 2024 09:59 PM (Wnv9h)

262 Call me old fashioned but I think the M-14 was the finest infantry weapon made. Evah.
Posted by: Diogenes at March 17, 2024 09:57 PM (W/lyH)

Do you have an M1a ?

Posted by: polynikes at March 17, 2024 10:00 PM (GzpNE)

263 Posted by: Tonypete at March 17, 2024 09:48 PM (
Tonypete, I read about that in Look or Life magazine IIRC. I was a senior in high school.

Posted by: Eromero at March 17, 2024 10:00 PM (NxC5+)

264 How long was the period? It doesn't eliminate their ultimate intention. It was just another tool to get it through.
Posted by: polynikes'

I'm doing the research, I did not say the intention wasn't to disarm the populace. But again, I do not see YOU doing the research.

Posted by: LenNeal at March 17, 2024 10:00 PM (9yXr+)

265 257 Call me old fashioned but I think the M-14 was the finest infantry weapon made. Evah.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 17, 2024 09:57 PM (W/lyH)

I like the M-14, qualified with it, but the M-60 is my true love.

Posted by: javems at March 17, 2024 10:02 PM (8I4hW)

266 The S&W K-frames, 4-inch, with heavy barrel and fixed sights, are amazing.

Posted by: LenNeal at March 17, 2024 10:03 PM (9yXr+)

267 I'm getting a bit old to carry my Kahr MK40 stainless steel brick so today I bought a used polymer Kahr PM9. Fits my existing holsters and uses the same manual of arms. Much lighter and less recoil. Of course I'll keep my MK40 for love of its 15 years of service!

Posted by: TxDan at March 17, 2024 10:03 PM (sM4GC)

268 I like the M-14, qualified with it, but the M-60 is my true love.
Posted by: javems'

REALLY?

The Pig?

Posted by: LenNeal at March 17, 2024 10:03 PM (9yXr+)

269 Posted by: LenNeal, with no penis envy at all at March 17, 2024 09:48 PM (9yXr+)

You're right, crime committed w/ handguns was far more common than ones involving Thompsons or BAR's. But those were the ones that got all of the attention in the press. This magnified the number of automatic weapons out of all proportion to what the criminals actually had.

The Thompsons were commercially obtained or stolen from police armories (EX: John Dillinger's escape from Crown Point, IN). The BARs all came from National Guard armories. My earlier points were focused on new purchases of Thompsons from Auto Ordinance, already difficult and costly, which the NFA made virtually impossible.

Posted by: Ed L at March 17, 2024 10:04 PM (yRXSd)

270 Do you have an M1a ?
Posted by: polynikes at March 17, 2024 10:00 PM (GzpNE)

No.
Sadly.
$$$

Posted by: Diogenes at March 17, 2024 10:05 PM (W/lyH)

271 A 10 round Mossberg 590 or an AR15 in 300 Blackout would be a powerful message to the yutes.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 17, 2024 09:53 PM
Exactly! In those moments when I look at zombietimes coming up, I see myself laden down like a VC on a bike with an AK slung on my back and a bag of rice on the handlebars.

Posted by: Eromero at March 17, 2024 10:05 PM (NxC5+)

272 Who am I to talk, my True Love is the Yugo M53 Sarac, it is the SHIT.
I might step down to a PKM but the M53 is all.

Posted by: LenNeal at March 17, 2024 10:06 PM (9yXr+)

273 I'm doing the research, I did not say the intention wasn't to disarm the populace. But again, I do not see YOU doing the research.
Posted by: LenNeal at March 17, 2024 10:00 PM (9yXr+)
-----
Let's take it down a notch, 'kay?

Posted by: Weasel at March 17, 2024 10:06 PM (JwHpX)

274 REALLY?

The Pig?

Posted by: LenNeal at March 17, 2024 10:03 PM (9yXr+)

I could make it squeal real purdy.

Posted by: javems at March 17, 2024 10:08 PM (8I4hW)

275 Posted by: Diogenes at March 17, 2024 09:57 PM (W/lyH)

As long as it wasn't in the jungles of Vietnam. Incidentally, M-14s have appeared in the hands of the Ukrainians. After nearly 70 years, the M-14 is finally doing what it was designed for: fight the Russian hordes.

Posted by: Ed L at March 17, 2024 10:08 PM (yRXSd)

276 My earlier points were focused on new purchases of Thompsons from Auto Ordinance, already difficult and costly, which the NFA made virtually impossible.
Posted by: Ed L'

AR magazines pointed out that Thompsons cost USD$300 each in the depths of the depression. They were absurd, exotic weapons. Nobody had them.

Anyway I'll link some of my research because I find this kind of thing tiresome.

Posted by: LenNeal at March 17, 2024 10:08 PM (9yXr+)

277 Good night, all!

Posted by: RI Red at March 17, 2024 10:10 PM (BjNEK)

278 I'm doing the research, I did not say the intention wasn't to disarm the populace. But again, I do not see YOU doing the research.
Posted by: LenNeal at March 17, 2024 10:00 PM (9yXr+)
-----
Let's take it down a notch, 'kay?
Posted by: Weasel'

I don't like being accused of being some kind of anti-gun.

Posted by: LenNeal at March 17, 2024 10:11 PM (9yXr+)

279 Two weeks with no Gun Thread makes Jim SND a sad puppy, indeed.

Alas, work has been plentiful, so I'll count my blessings, thus. Some days you're the bug, other days, you're the windshield.

Today, I'm the bug. Well and truly splattered, I am.

See y'all in the ONT.

Meanwhile, thanks as always, Weasel, for the superb product, and to Ed L for feeding my S&W addiction.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at March 17, 2024 10:18 PM (e6UQI)

280 I'm doing the research, I did not say the intention wasn't to disarm the populace. But again, I do not see YOU doing the research.
Posted by: LenNeal at March 17, 2024 10:00 PM (9yXr+)
-----
Let's take it down a notch, 'kay?
Posted by: Weasel'

I don't like being accused of being some kind of anti-gun.
Posted by: LenNeal at March 17, 2024 10:11 PM (9yXr+)
----
I don't like moderating pissing contests in the comments. If you feel compelled to respond with an attitude towards someone, just take a break.

Posted by: Weasel at March 17, 2024 10:20 PM (RG6z4)

281 Well, I have completed the first glue-up of the mold for my attempt to make a little platform to mount a GaiaLoop red dot sight on the rear portion of a Walther P38 slide. Disassembled the OEM slide, and performed a cleaning. Got a lot of goop out of the socket for the ejector pin/spring. Barrel was pretty good, but cleaned it anyway, using Ballistol. Took a couple of photos. Once initial glue-up has set, will daub a little more PVC cement on the glued joints to make a sort of fillet weld. The mold is made of scraps of vinyl flooring plank, which I have plenty of. Strong enough to make a mold, slick on one side, and disposable, in any case.

The platform itself is to be molded from fiberglass-reinforced Bondo, which is pretty strong stuff. Once cast, I will pretty it up a little, and then drill through it, and into a replacement Walther slide, and tap the slide for suitably sized screws. No OEM parts to be put at risk.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 17, 2024 10:35 PM (tkR6S)

282 I don't like moderating pissing contests in the comments. If you feel compelled to respond with an attitude towards someone, just take a break.
Posted by: Weasel'

I will not comment here again.

Posted by: LenNeal at March 17, 2024 10:47 PM (9yXr+)

283 282 I don't like moderating pissing contests in the comments. If you feel compelled to respond with an attitude towards someone, just take a break.
Posted by: Weasel'

I will not comment here again.

Posted by: LenNeal at March 17, 2024 10:47 PM (9yXr+)

Don't see a lot of Gun Thread flounces.

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