Governor ProgBot

As virtually everyone is now aware, the historic wildfire that has ripped through the Hawaiian island of Maui has been devastating for parts of that island. Hundreds of homes and businesses have been destroyed. Nearly a hundred people are confirmed dead because of the blaze (as of the time of writing). It is a nightmare scenario of compounded problems and complexity from the speed of the fire's spread to the absence of effective warning.

The devastation of a major fire calls for competence, leadership, sympathy and calm. If you have happen to have a progressive robot governor, however, any of these will be hard to come by. Hawaii has such a robot. Governor Josh Green has an unremarkable resume. Undergrad in anthropology followed by med school, followed by a residency. From there, into the HHS' National Health Service Corps. This program helps pay off student loans for doctors in exchange for participation. He was deployed to Hawaii to work as a doctor in rural parts of the Big Island.

After three or four years of this, he ran for office and won, entering the Hawaii House of Representatives. After four years in Hawaii politics - longer than his stint as a subsidized doctor in the state - he ran for the state senate and won. He lasted longer there, racking up 10 years before running as Lieutenant Governor for David Ige. During his time in that office, he also headed up the state's ineffective and oppressive COVID policy - after all, he's a doctor! - and in 2022, he finished rolling up the government ramp and landed in the governor's mansion.

Governor Josh Green has responded about as well as should be expected for a long-term professional politician with zero real-world experience in anything. His entire career from academia to doctoring to politics has been marked by lurching between one subsidized appointment to the next. He has no knowledge of the real world or real people, and it showed during this fire. It started out okay (sort of). He gave firm warnings to those who had fled that they needed to be prepared to witness total devastation:

"We will continue to see loss of life," Green said during a news conference late Thursday. "We also have many hundreds of homes destroyed, and that's going to take a great deal of time to recover from." ... "Now I want to caution everyone, Lahaina is a devastated zone," Green warned Friday in an interview with local station KHON. Returning residents "will see destruction like they've not ever seen in their lives. Everyone, please brace themselves as they go back."

Fair enough. That's the reality right now and those going back into the burn zone to sort through the wreckage should be forewarned that it's going to be bad. But what to do about it now? What are causes? How do Maui generally and Lahaina specifically recover? Here's where it goes off the rails. There will, of course, be an investigation - ahem, I mean a "comprehensive review" - of the fire to "understand" it:

Green said he has authorized a "comprehensive review" of the response to the fast-moving fires. Hawaii Attorney General Anne Lopez will spearhead that review, her office announced Friday.
"My Department is committed to understanding the decisions that were made before and during the wildfires and to sharing with the public the results of this review," Lopez said in a statement. "As we continue to support all aspects of the ongoing relief effort, now is the time to begin this process of understanding."

We must "understand" the events leading up to and following the blaze. Being nice and gentle and loving and progressive, however, the governor and his AG dare not call it an "investigation."

Not that an investigation is needed when the causes are already known. It was, of course, professional incompetence on the part of the telecommunications companies and the Dread Global Warming that are to blame for the apparently poor response and the fire itself, respectively:

"The telecommunications were destroyed very rapidly," the governor said, blaming the rapid spread of the fires on "global warming, combined with drought, combined with a superstorm."

On rebuilding, Governor Green keeps up the talking points. Recovery will be slow and expensive due to Hawaii's remoteness, but we can't forget the ongoing devastation caused by the hangover of COVID policies (policies he himself helped to develop and push with grotesque abandon), which will make everything harder:

Green added that restoring utilities will likely to be a lengthy process because of Lahaina's remote location, as workers and raw materials cannot simply be driven to Hawaii. "This is not to make an excuse. This is just to explain the realities of the island, especially in the post-Covid era," he said.

I am sure the families of the dead and those who have had their way of life reduced to cinders will find comfort in the governor blaming global warming, telcos and a severe chest cold a couple of years back for what ails and will continue to ail them.

But eventually, after great time and expense, Lahaina and the other destroyed areas will be rebuilt. The residents there can rest assured that it will be a progressive undertaking - one in line with their "values:"

"All of those buildings virtually are going to have to be rebuilt," Green said Thursday. "It will be a new Lahaina that Maui builds in its own image with its own values."

Whatever the hell that means.

None of what Governor Josh "ProgBot" Green has said has any meaning whatsoever. Every statement is a platitude that shows no knowledge or understanding. The excuses are as rote and predictable as the politically-sanitized statements of mealy-mouthed pseudo-sympathy. There is nothing that Governor Green has said or done that could not have been generated by any of today's currently available - albeit deeply flawed, often incorrect and sometimes deceitful - "AI" systems. Other than Green's physical shell, there's little evidence that he isn't one.

Posted by: Joe Mannix at 03:45 PM

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1 1st

Posted by: GF at August 14, 2023 03:45 PM (aJxr8)

2 First?

Posted by: Boswell at August 14, 2023 03:45 PM (K+UlC)

3 not sponge

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 14, 2023 03:46 PM (LvTSG)

4 Ugh

Posted by: Boswell at August 14, 2023 03:46 PM (K+UlC)

5 He forgot the Clinton gambit to blame the victims, amateur.

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at August 14, 2023 03:47 PM (glGDV)

6 Top 10

Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2023 03:47 PM (MOY79)

7 We got one of those in Gov Skeletor, I mean Evers.

Posted by: henry at August 14, 2023 03:47 PM (JMDly)

8 "All of those buildings virtually are going to have to be rebuilt," Green said Thursday. "It will be a new Lahaina that Maui builds in its own image with its own values."

One of the most liberal areas will return just as liberal... Maybe more so...

Posted by: It's me donna at August 14, 2023 03:47 PM (bs+z0)

9 Why aren't we using our naval assets to help recover there? Hawaii does have a major naval base. We've used our military assets in other disaster zones around the world. Why not ours?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 14, 2023 03:48 PM (N39Ws)

10 One of the most liberal areas will return just as liberal... Maybe more so...
Posted by: It's me donna at August 14, 2023 03:47 PM (bs+z0)
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:: buffs crystal ball ::
"Lahaina will be America's first 15-minute city"
:: puts crystal ball away ::

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 14, 2023 03:48 PM (WkNQM)

11 Lemmi guess the gov is a democrat?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2023 03:48 PM (pVWRI)

12 11 Lemmi guess the gov is a democrat?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2023 03:48 PM (pVWRI)

You had to ask ?

Posted by: It's me donna at August 14, 2023 03:49 PM (bs+z0)

13 For those of you who were or are in the Military, my Admiral can not even renew his CAC card without consulting me? Sigh

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2023 03:49 PM (pVWRI)

14 Sure the wildfires have destroyed 70% of the island, but that's down from 75% that experts predicted, so actually things are going great!

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 14, 2023 03:49 PM (fKIdX)

15 Still better than Biden's response.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 14, 2023 03:49 PM (2tUFv)

16 They did this to themselves. They took over land and changed it bringing in grass and all sorts of non native plants and tried to make the place look like upstate New York. $hit dried out in the summer and caught on fire.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at August 14, 2023 03:49 PM (QNSds)

17 Why aren't we using our naval assets to help recover there? Hawaii does have a major naval base. We've used our military assets in other disaster zones around the world. Why not ours?
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 14, 2023 03:48 PM (N39Ws)
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I don't know. We might be, or will be. It might be too chaotic to effectively deploy things, or the right assets aren't sitting at Pearl, or something else.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 14, 2023 03:49 PM (WkNQM)

18 Whose nepots need jobs investigating the fire?
Show of hands?

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at August 14, 2023 03:50 PM (glGDV)

19 Virtually rebuilt
One big hologram

Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2023 03:50 PM (MOY79)

20 I've never seen the man, so I am not convinced he is real.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 14, 2023 03:50 PM (YIVH2)

21 Why aren't we using our naval assets to help recover there? Hawaii does have a major naval base. We've used our military assets in other disaster zones around the world. Why not ours?
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 14, 2023 03:48 PM (N39Ws)

Because the toilets are all backed up on our Carriers.
Next question

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2023 03:50 PM (pVWRI)

22 15 Still better than Biden's response.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 14, 2023 03:49 PM (2tUFv)

Joe, wink, wink made a new statement all mushy with promises and sympathy

Posted by: It's me donna at August 14, 2023 03:50 PM (bs+z0)

23 I went to a writing workshop in Lahaina a few years back. Hard to imagine the town being gone now.

Most of Hawaii is a low tech shithole, very rural, but it's a low tech shithole with good scenery.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 14, 2023 03:51 PM (xcxpd)

24 Josh Green sounds totally white. WTF Hawaii?

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 14, 2023 03:51 PM (DmtxH)

25 I assert my Fifth Amendment right to remain silent.

Posted by: Joe Mannix SAYS he's not a cop but I'm still taking precautions at August 14, 2023 03:51 PM (fhX0j)

26
Japanese saboteurs!!!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 14, 2023 03:51 PM (MoZTd)

27 Afternoon.

Posted by: Robert at August 14, 2023 03:51 PM (pfckh)

28 8. So grass huts?

Posted by: Jen the original at August 14, 2023 03:51 PM (U7tmf)

29 Who has the demo, 5G, reno options?
Inquiring minds want to know.

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at August 14, 2023 03:52 PM (glGDV)

30 I've seen reports that Verizon employees are putting in 20 hour days to get cellular phone service back

Posted by: SMOD at August 14, 2023 03:52 PM (RHGPo)

31 "It is a nightmare scenario of compounded problems and complexity from the speed of the fire's spread to the absence of effective warning."

I thought they had a really good communication system because tropical island made of volcanoes?

Posted by: Fed.gov beancounter at August 14, 2023 03:52 PM (ou9hh)

32 Have they tried throwing anyone in a volcano to appease the gods?

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at August 14, 2023 03:53 PM (ppBhU)

33 "Lahaina will be America's first 15-minute city"
:: puts crystal ball away ::
Posted by: Joe Mannix

Too late, Tempe AZ has a '15 min area' being build already.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 14, 2023 03:53 PM (zbP2D)

34 We had a similar fire here in 2017.. Destroyed over 2000 homes.. The devastation was unbelievable

Posted by: It's me donna at August 14, 2023 03:53 PM (bs+z0)

35 For anyone who is keeping up at home:

"We don't know what actually ignited the fires, but we were made aware in advance by the National Weather Service that we were in a red flag situation — so that's dry conditions for a long time, so the fuel, the trees and everything, was dry," Maj. Gen. Kenneth Hara, commander general of the Hawaii Army National Guard, said at a briefing Wednesday.

https://tinyurl.com/5n7uv73v

(don't miss the reference to "the fuel")

It's going to be government incompetence and arson, same as always but not necessarily in that order.

See also: Not using the alarms that are specifically for this purpose.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The EPA has determined US has cooled since 1948 at August 14, 2023 03:53 PM (QsOFZ)

36 Mentioned before the church I got married in was in middle of Lahaina. Was a nice church, doubt the pastor then, a Samoan is still there.

Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2023 03:53 PM (MOY79)

37 I thought they had a really good communication system because tropical island made of volcanoes?
Posted by: Fed.gov beancounter at August 14, 2023 03:52 PM (ou9hh)
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Like when it sends ballistic missile warnings to the population by accident.

But when comms are down, direct-to-cellphone alerts don't really work well. And the emergency sirens apparently weren't used, though it's unclear why or if that is a deviation from expectations.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 14, 2023 03:54 PM (WkNQM)

38
Detective Steve McGarrett would have found the arsonists in 49 minutes, plus commericials.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 14, 2023 03:54 PM (MoZTd)

39 What actually started the fires, does anyone know? Tell me it was Global Warming activists in the library with Colonel Mustard, please, if no other reason is known.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 14, 2023 03:54 PM (ciDfw)

40 Maybe a Chinese trawler will stop by and drop off frozen fish.

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at August 14, 2023 03:54 PM (glGDV)

41 I'm picturing a Soviet concrete village - the progressive dream. They can paint the different units and add neon lights for effect - yes they did this kind of thing. Kitsch is king for kommies.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at August 14, 2023 03:54 PM (oWBc3)

42 9
We've used our military assets in other disaster zones around the world. Why not ours?

They're off the coast of Ukraine.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 14, 2023 03:54 PM (VNGpB)

43 21 Why aren't we using our naval assets to help recover there? Hawaii does have a major naval base. We've used our military assets in other disaster zones around the world. Why not ours?
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 14, 2023 03:48 PM (N39Ws)
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You have the Army, Marines, Navy and Air Force in Oahu. They are likely the ones doing the heavy lifting. Hawaiian disaster relief is likely a disaster. I know they would have tapped the Marines cuz amphibious and has a shit ton of heavy equipment that has trained operators and be there in a day or so for basic cleanup. I'm sure the Navy and Army can have a surgery there within 12 hours.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 14, 2023 03:54 PM (kn9u9)

44 Green said he has authorized a "comprehensive review"

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Comprehensive reviews are tight.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 14, 2023 03:54 PM (FVME7)

45 "We've used our military assets in other disaster zones around the world. Why not ours?"

Because Posse Comitatus means the the US military is forbidden to do any law enforcement duties in the US.

Or so I am told by the .mil that I know.

I'm sure that disaster recovery falls under some kind of law enforcement. Or possibly labor unions.

Posted by: Fed.gov beancounter at August 14, 2023 03:55 PM (ou9hh)

46 Maybe a rogue cargo ship is terrorizing the coastal waters of Hawaii, leaving our navy helpless.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at August 14, 2023 03:55 PM (ppBhU)

47
I thought they had a really good communication system because tropical island made of volcanoes?
Posted by: Fed.gov beancounter

The warning sirens failed to sound (even though they were tested monthly).

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 14, 2023 03:55 PM (zbP2D)

48 Cernovich @Cernovich 3h
Hawaii Senator Brian Schatz can’t even hide his smirk as Maui burned. He’s seeing dollar signs for huge Democrat donors (Oprah, Zuckerberg, other billionaires) who will scoop up the land and steal it from native born Hawaiians.

https://tinyurl.com/y8nrzc2u
1:52 minutes

Charlie Kirk @charliekirk11 3h
Hawaiians need to demand that local owners and residents are given every resource to retain the ownership of their property destroyed in the fire. Say NO to the oligarchs!

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 14, 2023 03:55 PM (krqg6)

49 Governor Josh "ProgBot" Green
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He embodies all of our emptiness.

Posted by: Hawaii Voters at August 14, 2023 03:55 PM (fs1hN)

50 Amazing how the Governor and the people who were supposed to handle an emergency were all off island at the time.

And those who were left 'in charge' practically did nothing. The best and most expensive alert system is useless if no one pulls the lever.

And no one in Hawai'i pulled the lever. Great job Governor Blanco and Mayor Nagi... oh wait different Democrat catastrophe.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 14, 2023 03:55 PM (ZIVuX)

51 Blow me. Hawaii is a welfare state. They have the most generous programs of any state in the nation. The state government spends almost a full 25% of their budget on handouts, more than on education. The rest of that budget is wasted on the typical blue state garbage. For a state that prides itself on its nature preserves and ecology, they spend almost zero on reducing the forest fire risks. No money for that, when everyone has their hands out. They picked their priorities. They chose badly.

Now they're bleating everything from climate change to attacking the power companies and every other liberal shibboleth.

Maybe they can ask Oprah for a few million, because any Republicans throwing money at that state without some very big strings attached should be primaried.

Posted by: Rant Man at August 14, 2023 03:56 PM (cn09p)

52 Lol! The clowns in GA posted the list of Trump charges while the Grand Jury is still in progress.

The fix is in. And they are too stupid to even pull it off without looking like fools.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 14, 2023 03:56 PM (JTwsP)

53 It's going to be government incompetence and arson, same as always but not necessarily in that order.

See also: Not using the alarms that are specifically for this purpose.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The EPA has determined US has cooled since 1948 at August 14, 2023 03:53 PM (QsOFZ)

I am expecting devastating wildfires in Oregon this year too. Hot, dry, high winds predicted until Labor day in a highly political year that needs lots and lots of distractions.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 14, 2023 03:56 PM (xhaym)

54 Our Navy is probably off on some jaunt, crashing the boats into each other on a Great Rainbow Fleet tour of the globe, to make the everyone see our tolerance and tremble. And then reach for their monkeypox salve.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 14, 2023 03:56 PM (0FoWg)

55 Detective Steve McGarrett would have found the arsonists in 49 minutes, plus commericials.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh

Thomas Magnum would've banged a chick and found the arsonists.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 14, 2023 03:56 PM (FVME7)

56 Who has the demo, 5G, reno options?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Posted by: Hokey Pokey

Yeah, there's that reason.. And the glo-bull enwarmening. But there's something else, too.

Posted by: Prime Sister at August 14, 2023 03:56 PM (tQL7r)

57 They took over land and changed it bringing in grass and all sorts of non native plants and tried to make the place look like upstate New York. $hit dried out in the summer and caught on fire.

Not quite - Lahaina used to be surrounded by sugar cane and pineapple plantations. Since the sugar cane fields were burned every year, there were firebreaks around the fields.

The plantations couldn't compete with the Philippines and elsewhere, so they were abandoned, and fire-prone non-native grasses were allowed to take over.

So, you have kindling on the hills behind Lahaina, prevailing winds towards Lahaina, and Lahaina gets little rain, because it is in a rain shadow.

Who could have predicted a problem?

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 14, 2023 03:57 PM (2tUFv)

58 I'm sure that disaster recovery falls under some kind of law enforcement. Or possibly labor unions.
Posted by: Fed.gov beancounter at August 14, 2023 03:55 PM (ou9hh)
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Didn't the Navy send two hospital ships to NYC during COVID?

And yeah, it's weird that there doesn't seem to be much response by the U.S. Navy assets that *should* be available to assist, especially with firefighting.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 14, 2023 03:57 PM (YIVH2)

59 It will be a new Lahaina that Maui builds in its own image with its own values.

There's a report going around that that specifically means "everything will be computer-controlled according to liberal/globalist principles". So, 15-minute city it is.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 14, 2023 03:57 PM (2ocoG)

60 Why aren't we using our naval assets to help recover there? Hawaii does have a major naval base. We've used our military assets in other disaster zones around the world. Why not ours?

Wypipos, and NIMBY out of state occupants, but mostly Wypipos. Seriously I've been wondering the same thing.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at August 14, 2023 03:57 PM (YRsIm)

61 Be pretty funny if an EV started that fire.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 14, 2023 03:57 PM (JTwsP)

62 Will Hawai'i's disaster recovery be any better than Puerto Rico's was?

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 14, 2023 03:57 PM (ZIVuX)

63 > Most of Hawaii is a low tech shithole, very rural, but it's a low tech shithole with good scenery.

I was very surprised, when I went to Hawaii, to discover how bad even very expensive restaurant food was. The fresh fruits and certain Hawaiian dishes were amazing, but nobody could cook a steak or a fish worth a damn.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 14, 2023 03:57 PM (0N1h0)

64 47
'I thought they had a really good communication system because tropical island made of volcanoes?
Posted by: Fed.gov beancounter

The warning sirens failed to sound (even though they were tested monthly).'

Dammit! I thought if we put the sirens right next to the volcanos we'd have earlier warnings.

Posted by: Official State of Hawaii Inspection team at August 14, 2023 03:57 PM (VNGpB)

65 How much do you want to bet that the siren system or telecomms system was somehow "green" and therefore failed?

Posted by: PJ at August 14, 2023 03:57 PM (G1dq6)

66 off fed.gov sock

Posted by: FeatherBlade at August 14, 2023 03:57 PM (ou9hh)

67 What's that? A Ukranian drone with a platinum card attached?

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at August 14, 2023 03:57 PM (glGDV)

68 As far as my wife and I have been able to tell, all of our friends/acquaintances on Maui have survived.

Their homes, not so much. (One is hosting many of the others in their home.)

Shockingly, one of our favorite businesses survived: Maui Ku'ia Estate Chocolate. Their farm was damaged by the winds, but spared the fire and the buildings literally across the street from their factory burned down, but they were untouched.

Because a rich guy who moved into Maui founded it (you can read the history there), he donates all profits to local charities. In addition to straight donations, buying from them (it's high-end, expensive chocolate) would help recovery by paying salaries and donations to charities if anyone is looking other ways to help. (I just checked their site. They are giving 25% of all sales to recovery efforts- not profit, revenue.)

Another option for people to help.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at August 14, 2023 03:57 PM (zjgNU)

69 hiya

Posted by: JT at August 14, 2023 03:58 PM (T4tVD)

70 We should've grown our own fucking pineapples.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 14, 2023 03:58 PM (0FoWg)

71 Didn't the Navy send two hospital ships to NYC during COVID?
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I think two is all we have. Ships are easy. Staffing a floating hospital is the hard part.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 14, 2023 03:58 PM (kn9u9)

72 Thomas Magnum would've banged a chick and found the arsonists.

In my online fan fic, Magnum is banging Higgins.

Posted by: the anne rice superfan internet contingent at August 14, 2023 03:58 PM (ppBhU)

73 "And those who were left 'in charge' practically did nothing. The best and most expensive alert system is useless if no one pulls the lever. "

If you've ever been to Welfare Island, the layabouts who collect all day long are only outdone by the no show jobs, which are provided because "people need the dignity of work". Also cover for their grift.

Posted by: Rant Man at August 14, 2023 03:58 PM (cn09p)

74 Josh Green sounds totally white. WTF Hawaii?
Posted by: Puddinhead at August 14, 2023 03:51 PM (DmtxH)

I'll have to see his cheekbones before I pass judgment.

I mean, can you have a more namby pamby, low T douchebag name than that?

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2023 03:58 PM (dGCAG)

75 Climate change plus a drought caused by climate change and a hurricane caused by climate change led to a climate change fueled fire. The only way to stop it is more taxes and government control.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 14, 2023 03:58 PM (slgIg)

76 32. Have they tried throwing anyone in a volcano to appease the gods? - bear with asymmetrical balls

I believe there's historical precedent for this. They could start with the governor and just keep working their way down until things get better.

Posted by: Paco at August 14, 2023 03:58 PM (njExo)

77 Returning residents "will see destruction like they've not ever seen in their lives.

Joe Biden would have given that speech before the fire, so this Josh Green isn't completely incompetent.

Posted by: t-bird at August 14, 2023 03:58 PM (A0/af)

78 A volcano in Mexico is blowing and Etna was smoking in, obviously, Italy today.

Update: Etna is lava-ing too!

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 14, 2023 03:59 PM (krqg6)

79 Round up the usual suspects.

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at August 14, 2023 03:59 PM (glGDV)

80 "There are more fatalities that will come," Green told CBS News. "The fire was so hot that what we find is the tragic finding that you would imagine, as though a fire has come through and it's hard to recognize anybody."

I think they're using Chat GPT to script all the Democrat apparatchiks now.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at August 14, 2023 03:59 PM (ou9hh)

81 "All of those buildings virtually are going to have to be rebuilt," Green said Thursday. "It will be a new Lahaina that Maui builds in its own image with its own values."

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Super easy, barely an inconvenience.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 14, 2023 03:59 PM (FVME7)

82 Climate change plus a drought caused by climate change and a hurricane caused by climate change led to a climate change fueled fire. The only way to stop it is more taxes and government control.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 14, 2023 03:58 PM (slgIg)
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Nailed it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 14, 2023 03:59 PM (WkNQM)

83 How much do you want to bet that the siren system or telecomms system was somehow "green" and therefore failed?

Simple incompetence is the more plausible explanation.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 14, 2023 03:59 PM (2tUFv)

84 Where's that overfed Oprahpottamus? Or Bezos? Huh. Crickets.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 14, 2023 03:59 PM (TZ75n)

85 Charlie Kirk @charliekirk11 3h
Hawaiians need to demand that local owners and residents are given every resource to retain the ownership of their property destroyed in the fire. Say NO to the oligarchs!
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 14, 2023 03:55 PM (krqg6)
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Someone posted in the last thread that real estate companies are cold-calling residents of Maui trying to get them to sell. Parasitic sons-of-bitches.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 14, 2023 03:59 PM (YIVH2)

86 Now they're bleating everything from climate change to attacking the power companies and every other liberal shibboleth. Posted NY RantMan

Yep. It's a power grab through and through.

Posted by: Prime Sister at August 14, 2023 03:59 PM (tQL7r)

87 6 32. Have they tried throwing anyone in a volcano to appease the gods? - bear with asymmetrical balls

Only fair that the President be first

Posted by: It's me donna at August 14, 2023 03:59 PM (bs+z0)

88 A quarter says Kamal will arrive for a recitation.

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at August 14, 2023 04:00 PM (glGDV)

89 There are more fatalities that will come," Green told CBS News. "The fire was so hot that what we find is the tragic finding that you would imagine, as though a fire has come through and it's hard to recognize anybody."

I think they're using Chat GPT to script all the Democrat apparatchiks now.
Posted by: FeatherBlade at August 14, 2023 03:59 PM (ou9hh)
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Precisely my point.

What a buffoon this putz is.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 14, 2023 04:00 PM (WkNQM)

90 Same state that broadcast an alarm for actual nuke attack from the Norks. A password on a Post-It note and porn can be seen in the background of the director’s subsequent interview where he wore a Hawaiian shirt…last year they assessed the risk of catastrophic wildfire as “low”.

Posted by: Phil in Texas at August 14, 2023 04:00 PM (rgddY)

91 Kamala 🙄

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at August 14, 2023 04:00 PM (glGDV)

92 On the positive side, there's now lots of cleared, burnt earth to grow that delicious Kona Coffee.

Posted by: Rant Man at August 14, 2023 04:00 PM (cn09p)

93 The only way to stop it is more taxes and government control.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy

Agreed

Posted by: Prime Sister at August 14, 2023 04:00 PM (tQL7r)

94
Are the Native Hawaiians worth anything or are they just good-time layabouts?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 14, 2023 04:00 PM (MoZTd)

95 So many weird things surround this story. Hawaii has emergency sirens, tested weekly (it was always noon on a Monday last time I was there). I heard them when we were there for a tsunami warning years ago. Made me haul us out of bed at 1am. There was no tsunami.
This time? Nothing.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at August 14, 2023 04:00 PM (MeG8a)

96 78 A volcano in Mexico is blowing and Etna was smoking in, obviously, Italy today.
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These are portents of resurgent nationalism and competent people asking questions. This cannot be allowed to happen.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 14, 2023 04:00 PM (kn9u9)

97 I've been TDY to Oahu.

Great beaches along the western shore. Well except for the homeless encampment squatting on it north of Ewa.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 14, 2023 04:00 PM (ZIVuX)

98 85 Charlie Kirk @charliekirk11 3h
Hawaiians need to demand that local owners and residents are given every resource to retain the ownership of their property destroyed in the fire. Say NO to the oligarchs!
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 14, 2023 03:55 PM (krqg6)

Most if not all properties in Hawaii aren't out right owned... You get a 99 year lease

Posted by: It's me donna at August 14, 2023 04:01 PM (bs+z0)

99 > What actually started the fires, does anyone know?

High winds damaged electrical equipment, igniting dry grass that was then spread very quickly by the strong winds.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 14, 2023 04:01 PM (0N1h0)

100 The plantations couldn't compete with the Philippines and elsewhere, so they were abandoned, and fire-prone non-native grasses were allowed to take over.
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I blame Kentucky!

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 14, 2023 04:01 PM (krqg6)

101 Hurricane size storm ripped past south of Hawaii. Winds on Ohau were 25-35 with gusts to 70.
Worse on Maui.
First blush by my Hawaii buddy is the winds there knocked out some power lines and started the underbrush fires. Winds turned it into a firestorm.
A lot of the dead are children.
It's grim.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2023 04:01 PM (hv9bm)

102 @35 that article seems pretty comprehensive. The fires seem almost inevitable, reading the conditions set-up by Hurricane Dora and Lahaina being already so dry. I suppose the electric utility will end up taking a big share of the blame, too (at least for the fires). But the main fault for the death-toll obviously lies with the inaction of authorities.

The National Weather Service noted in a tweet before the fires started that significant differences in atmospheric pressure between the hurricane and the air north of Hawaii formed a pressure gradient over the islands which, when combined with dry conditions, posed a serious threat of fires as well as damaging winds.

"While Hurricane Dora passes well south with no direct impacts here, the strong pressure gradient between it & the high pressure to the north creates a threat of damaging winds & fire weather (due to ongoing dry conditions) from early Mon to Wed," the agency said at the time.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 14, 2023 04:01 PM (8UJ63)

103 96 78 A volcano in Mexico is blowing and Etna was smoking in, obviously, Italy today.
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These are portents of resurgent nationalism and competent people asking questions. This cannot be allowed to happen.
Posted by: Puddinhead at August 14, 2023 04:00 PM (kn9u9)

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Or, the simpler explanation is that the Old Ones are disappointed by the direction of American governance under Biden. He hasn't arrested Trump yet.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 14, 2023 04:01 PM (LvTSG)

104 35 It's going to be government incompetence and arson, same as always but not necessarily in that order.

my money's on chinese space lasers

Posted by: anachronda at August 14, 2023 04:01 PM (oY6Yp)

105 Not that anyone cares but I'm inclined to cut the guy some slack at this point. I think everyone involved is in shock. Save the criticism for when it is warranted.

That island has just had it's own 911 just a couple of days ago.

Posted by: pawn at August 14, 2023 04:01 PM (wsHtO)

106

In keeping with Hawaii and its values, I think it should be rebuilt in the image of Clara Trinity...

Posted by: Dirty Frank at August 14, 2023 04:01 PM (kzGVi)

107 Most if not all properties in Hawaii aren't out right owned... You get a 99 year lease
Posted by: It's me donna at August 14, 2023 04:01 PM (bs+z0)
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Who owns it?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 14, 2023 04:02 PM (WkNQM)

108 "The fire was so hot that what we find is the tragic finding that you would imagine

There were puddles of aluminum under the burned-out cars.

That was a hot fire.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 14, 2023 04:02 PM (2tUFv)

109 Someone at DU posted this Saturday...only 3 responses since lol:

Hawaii Officials Were Warned Years Ago That Maui's Lahaina Faced High Wildfire Risk. Nearly a decade before a wildfire destroyed the coastal Maui town of Lahaina, a report by Hawaiian fire researchers warned that the area was at extremely high risk of burning.

Another report, in 2020, tied fires to winds from a passing hurricane—similar to the ones that fanned the Lahaina blaze. And the state’s electric utility had for years worried about wildfire risk in the area. It even flew drones to monitor conditions.

Yet local authorities said in the aftermath of this week’s devastation that though they knew wildfires were becoming more frequent in Hawaii, they weren’t prepared for one to roar through Lahaina.

Someone snipped a report countering that SOME of the recommendations had been implemented, like brush clearing and a landowner education campaign, but other things like "improved emergency response capabilities" were skipped due to lack of funding. I'm sure the Feds will pour money in now!

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at August 14, 2023 04:02 PM (pIzTo)

110 92 On the positive side, there's now lots of cleared, burnt earth to grow that delicious Kona Coffee.
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Kona is on the Big Island (Hawaii). Don't know if Maui produces coffee.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 14, 2023 04:02 PM (kn9u9)

111 Why have we not heard from Hawaii’s native son, Barack Hussein Obama?

Posted by: Jen the original at August 14, 2023 04:02 PM (U7tmf)

112 He missed a golden opportunity to call the rebuilding effort the "'Green' New Deal"

Posted by: Crazy to be sane at August 14, 2023 04:02 PM (1WSeq)

113 Whoops!
Whoopsies!

CNN:

" One Maui County report on wildfire prevention from 2021 stated that while the number of acres consumed by wildfires had spiked, funds to prevent and mitigate them were “inadequate.” The report also stated that the county fire department’s strategic plan included “nothing about what can and should be done to prevent fires” – in what it called a “significant oversight.”

The report recommended a thorough risk assessment of fire hazards, but it’s not clear whether officials heeded the recommendation. "

https://tinyurl.com/26dmo4hk

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The EPA has determined US has cooled since 1948 at August 14, 2023 04:02 PM (QsOFZ)

114 Didn't the Navy send two hospital ships to NYC during COVID?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel

Yes, and New York didn't even put one patient in them, same as the Good Samaritan hospital in Central Park... unused.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 14, 2023 04:02 PM (zbP2D)

115
Webley Edwards says, "The sound of the flames on Lahaina beaches"

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 14, 2023 04:02 PM (MoZTd)

116 Not to minimize the human tragedy, but this kind of thing is why we need a strategic SPAM reserve.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at August 14, 2023 04:03 PM (ppBhU)

117 Liberals are no saying they want to use this as an "opportunity" to rebuild the island with giant government subsidies. They actually said that.

And people think I'm insensitive and opportunistic.

You can see them sliding all this crap into an "emergency" funding bill.

Im looking at you House Republicans

Posted by: Rant Man at August 14, 2023 04:03 PM (cn09p)

118 How do Maui generally and Lahaina specifically recover?

The answer is what it always is: with a great deal of taxpayer money, much of it wasted, and with no lessons learned.

Green added that restoring utilities will likely to be a lengthy process because of Lahaina's remote location, as workers and raw materials cannot simply be driven to Hawaii. "This is not to make an excuse. This is just to explain the realities of the island, especially in the post-Covid era," he said.

Some people might have stockpiled what would be needed to replicate the system.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 14, 2023 04:03 PM (eOEVl)

119 So, how many years do I have to live an average American life to equal the amount of carbon going into the atmosphere from the fires on Maui?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 14, 2023 04:03 PM (LvTSG)

120 > How much do you want to bet that the siren system or telecomms system was somehow "green" and therefore failed?

I'm betting lazy island time "action" + gov't bureaucracy. Someone shut off their phone, someone didn't know the procedure, someone didn't know it was their job, someone knew it was their job, but chose to do something else, etc.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 14, 2023 04:03 PM (0N1h0)

121 108 "The fire was so hot that what we find is the tragic finding that you would imagine

There were puddles of aluminum under the burned-out cars.

That was a hot fire.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 14, 2023 04:02 PM

That's impossible! Are you some kind of 9/11 Truther!?!?

Posted by: Rosie O'Donnell at August 14, 2023 04:03 PM (pIzTo)

122 Not to minimize the human tragedy, but this kind of thing is why we need a strategic SPAM reserve.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at August 14, 2023 04:03 PM (ppBhU)
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My email is full enough as it is...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 14, 2023 04:03 PM (YIVH2)

123 Someone displeased Pele.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 14, 2023 04:04 PM (slgIg)

124 Not that anyone cares but I'm inclined to cut the guy some slack at this point. I think everyone involved is in shock. Save the criticism for when it is warranted.

That island has just had it's own 911 just a couple of days ago.
Posted by: pawn at August 14, 2023 04:01 PM (wsHtO)
++++
I am willing to look past some of the governor's babbling and weird choices. He certainly has a lot going on.

But he has time to mouth generic prog talking points and meaningless platitudes that much more polished. A disaster calls for leadership, and the governor is failing in that fairly important part of being in charge of an entire state.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 14, 2023 04:04 PM (WkNQM)

125 On the positive side, there's now lots of cleared, burnt earth to grow that delicious Kona Coffee.
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Until King Harv invades -- then it will be Emperor Harv!

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 14, 2023 04:04 PM (krqg6)

126 Or, the simpler explanation is that the Old Ones are disappointed by the direction of American governance under Biden. He hasn't arrested Trump yet.

You're saying Cabin in the Woods is real?

Posted by: Ian S. at August 14, 2023 04:04 PM (2ocoG)

127 76 32. Have they tried throwing anyone in a volcano to appease the gods? - bear with asymmetrical balls

I believe there's historical precedent for this. They could start with the governor and just keep working their way down until things get better.

we're gonna need more orange soda

Posted by: zombie abe vigoda at August 14, 2023 04:04 PM (oY6Yp)

128 What actually started the fires, does anyone know?

High winds damaged electrical equipment, igniting dry grass that was then spread very quickly by the strong winds.

Posted by: bonhomme

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This is not true and should not be spread as the truth.

Per the commander general of the National Guard:

"We don't know what actually ignited the fires, but we were made aware in advance by the National Weather Service that we were in a red flag situation — so that's dry conditions for a long time, so the fuel, the trees and everything, was dry," Maj. Gen. Kenneth Hara, commander general of the Hawaii Army National Guard, said at a briefing Wednesday.

https://tinyurl.com/5n7uv73v

Stop spreading it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The EPA has determined US has cooled since 1948 at August 14, 2023 04:05 PM (QsOFZ)

129 There is nothing that Governor Green has said or done that could not have been generated by any of today's currently available - albeit deeply flawed, often incorrect and sometimes deceitful - "AI" systems. Other than Green's physical shell, there's little evidence that he isn't one.

My current nic is only half a joke.

Posted by: Brother Tim sez Max Headroom for President! at August 14, 2023 04:05 PM (OUMaO)

130 Why have we not heard from Hawaii’s native son, Barack Hussein Obama?

So soon after his personal chef drowned?

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 14, 2023 04:05 PM (ZIVuX)

131 What actually started the fires, does anyone know?
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High winds damaged electrical equipment, igniting dry grass that was then spread very quickly by the strong winds.
Posted by: bonhomme at August 14, 2023 04:01 PM (0N1h0)

Oh, so Stitch did it.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2023 04:05 PM (dGCAG)

132 107 Most if not all properties in Hawaii aren't out right owned... You get a 99 year lease
Posted by: It's me donna at August 14, 2023 04:01 PM (bs+z0)
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Who owns it?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 14, 2023 04:02 PM (WkNQM)

It's a hold over from the old days.. I think they are changing it.. Not sure.. You leased the land but owned the dwelling

Posted by: It's me donna at August 14, 2023 04:05 PM (bs+z0)

133 111 Why have we not heard from Hawaii’s native son, Barack Hussein Obama?
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He's in the kitchen porking the new Sous Chef.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 14, 2023 04:05 PM (kn9u9)

134 There are a bunch of coffee companies on Maui that produce a really good dark variety that rivals Kona. They also make blends. Pretty sure one of them in Lahaina got smoked.

Posted by: Rant Man at August 14, 2023 04:05 PM (cn09p)

135 I think they're using Chat GPT to script all the Democrat apparatchiks now.
Posted by: FeatherBlade at August 14, 2023 03:59 PM (ou9hh)

They may well be.

"My boss am da gubberner of HI, what should I say about muh firez?

His aids/handlers might have just GPT'd his ass, while they got down to the important business of looting the wreckage. It would make sense.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 14, 2023 04:05 PM (0FoWg)

136 >>> Blow me. Hawaii is a welfare state.

One year I was in Hawaii, around tax time, there was the usual article about what state's pay into Federal coffers vs. what they get out.

Hawaii was (near) Number One getting something like $2 for every $1 they paid. My old home state was near the bottom getting like fifty cents on the dollar.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 14, 2023 04:06 PM (ga8qR)

137 126 Or, the simpler explanation is that the Old Ones are disappointed by the direction of American governance under Biden. He hasn't arrested Trump yet.

You're saying Cabin in the Woods is real?
Posted by: Ian S. at August 14, 2023 04:04 PM (2ocoG)

=======

I'm saying that Cabin in the Woods was a distraction and that the real Old Ones are only satisfied by the killing of political leaders! The assassination of that South American candidate was a desperate, last gasp effort to avert the inevitable!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 14, 2023 04:06 PM (LvTSG)

138 There are 2 types of titles in Hawaii, one is a lease the other is called "fee simple" or something like that.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at August 14, 2023 04:06 PM (MeG8a)

139 I was very surprised, when I went to Hawaii, to discover how bad even very expensive restaurant food was. The fresh fruits and certain Hawaiian dishes were amazing, but nobody could cook a steak or a fish worth a damn.

Did you try the Spam?

Posted by: Archimedes at August 14, 2023 04:06 PM (eOEVl)

140 One of Hawai''s great inventions is :

Macadamia flavored SPAM.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 14, 2023 04:06 PM (ZIVuX)

141 "Fair enough. That's the reality right now and those going back into the burn zone to sort through the wreckage should be forewarned that it's going to be bad. But what to do about it now? What are causes?"

This is a job for Captain Hindsight!

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at August 14, 2023 04:06 PM (8X7eW)

142 Why have we not heard from Hawaii’s native son, Barack Hussein Obama?

DURING PRIDE YEAR????

Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2023 04:06 PM (nW4TA)

143 How do Maui generally and Lahaina specifically recover?

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I'm betting the same Davos folks buying up nice bug-out properties in New Zealand are getting their checkbooks out.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The EPA has determined US has cooled since 1948 at August 14, 2023 04:06 PM (QsOFZ)

144 Or, the simpler explanation is that the Old Ones are disappointed by the direction of American governance under Biden. He hasn't arrested Trump yet.

You're saying Cabin in the Woods is real?
Posted by: Ian S. at August 14, 2023 04:04 PM (2ocoG)
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The stars will be right very soon...

Cthulhu, Cthulhu, Ia, Ia!

Wait...what was I saying?

Posted by: Confused and bewildered "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 14, 2023 04:06 PM (YIVH2)

145 Welcome to the People’s Republic of Hawaii.

The late Rush Limbaugh, at the end of a bit of radio where he couldn’t stop talking about HI’s deserved reputation as a great place to visit, wound it up with saying “don’t think about the politics there; they will drive you nuts.”

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 14, 2023 04:07 PM (+aJOl)

146 There were puddles of aluminum under the burned-out cars.

I was burned out in the Oakland Fire in 1991.

Our Weber in the backyard, being steel, was intact, but the aluminum legs that supported it melted.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 14, 2023 04:07 PM (2tUFv)

147 Pretty sure one of them in Lahaina got smoked.

Well that's some really roasted coffee.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 14, 2023 04:07 PM (ZIVuX)

148 I'm betting lazy island time "action" + gov't bureaucracy. Someone shut off their phone, someone didn't know the procedure, someone didn't know it was their job, someone knew it was their job, but chose to do something else, etc.
Posted by: bonhomme

This is the same Hawaii Office of Emergency Management that scared the hell out of everyone in 2018 by sending out alerts that they were under imminent missile attack.

How did a haole get elected?

Posted by: Cheri at August 14, 2023 04:07 PM (oiNtH)

149 What actually started the fires, does anyone know?

Spontaneous combustion. Now that the earth is angry with us, we'll just be set on fire randomly. Y'all should have driven Teslas if you didn't want to be on fire.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at August 14, 2023 04:07 PM (ppBhU)

150 Stop spreading it.

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This came across more abrasively than I intended and I apologize.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The EPA has determined US has cooled since 1948 at August 14, 2023 04:07 PM (QsOFZ)

151 Sell the Hawaiian Islands to whatever Oriental country wants to buy them or turn them over to the fat ass natives and give them their "independence".

Bunch of grifting layabouts.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 14, 2023 04:07 PM (vPy4o)

152 134 There are a bunch of coffee companies on Maui that produce a really good dark variety that rivals Kona. They also make blends. Pretty sure one of them in Lahaina got smoked.
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Never been to Maui. Thanks for info. I know Oahu and Hawaii very well. The big product from Maui was Maui Wowwie Pot when I was stationed there. I think all HI pot was marketed under that name at the time.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 14, 2023 04:08 PM (kn9u9)

153 There are also rumors they are trying to suppress that the fires are "suspicious" and arson hasn't been ruled out due to the locations and timing.

But yeah, the locals have already sued the power companies without any proof. Because to Hawaiians it's all about the grift.

Posted by: Rant Man at August 14, 2023 04:08 PM (cn09p)

154 _ 52 Lol! The clowns in GA posted the list of Trump charges while the Grand Jury is still in progress.

The fix is in. And they are too stupid to even pull it off without looking like fools.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 14, 2023 03:56 PM (JTwsP)
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GOP squishes in Southern state's legislatures...
Could it be caused by the fedgov's control of redistricting in Southern states?

Posted by: Braenyard at August 14, 2023 04:08 PM (AbYHm)

155 133 111 Why have we not heard from Hawaii’s native son, Barack Hussein Obama?
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He's in the kitchen porking the new Sous Chef.

Pretty sure ex-prez is a catcher

Posted by: KJP is a race and gender swapped Side Show Bob at August 14, 2023 04:08 PM (QpUKb)

156 Have they tried throwing anyone in a volcano to appease the gods? - bear with asymmetrical balls

Only fair that the President be first
Posted by: It's me donna

Please start with their House and Senators before moving on to higher ups.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 14, 2023 04:08 PM (zbP2D)

157 Hawaii was (near) Number One getting something like $2 for every $1 they paid.

Military spending, I suspect.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 14, 2023 04:08 PM (2tUFv)

158
Bunch of grifting layabouts.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 14, 2023 04:07 PM (vPy4o)

Pretty much, but no one deserves this

Posted by: It's me donna at August 14, 2023 04:08 PM (bs+z0)

159 Fire and winds it wouldn't have been far off a firestorm in effect

Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2023 04:08 PM (MOY79)

160 I was very surprised, when I went to Hawaii, to discover how bad even very expensive restaurant food was. The fresh fruits and certain Hawaiian dishes were amazing, but nobody could cook a steak or a fish worth a damn.

Did you try the Spam?
Posted by: Archimedes

Poi!

Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2023 04:09 PM (nW4TA)

161 Pretty much, but no one deserves this
Posted by: It's me donna at August 14, 2023 04:08 PM (bs+z0)
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Fire is awful and terrifying. I used to live in fire country and every summer was an exercise remaining ready to run while thinking "will this be the year?"

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 14, 2023 04:09 PM (WkNQM)

162 Liberals are now saying they want to use this as an "opportunity" to rebuild the island with giant government subsidies. They actually said that.

You can see them sliding all this crap into an "emergency" funding bill.

Posted by: Rant Man

Rahm Emanuel has entered the chat

Posted by: Prime Sister at August 14, 2023 04:09 PM (tQL7r)

163 If the choice is between Maui and private plane use, how do you say fuck you in Hawai'i n?

Posted by: John Kerry at August 14, 2023 04:10 PM (nnp+f)

164 I'm saying that Cabin in the Woods was a distraction and that the real Old Ones are only satisfied by the killing of political leaders! The assassination of that South American candidate was a desperate, last gasp effort to avert the inevitable!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 14, 2023 04:06 PM (LvTSG)

Kill a politician in a jerkwater part of the world, before you know it, Germany is unleashing its troops through Belgium.

Man, that gets old.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2023 04:10 PM (dGCAG)

165 The Bidens had Maui burned down to distract from their criminal investigation.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 14, 2023 04:10 PM (aD39U)

166 I'm going outside for a bit because the more I read about government incompetence killing all of these people and destroying all that property (again) the more cranky I get and I don't want to do anything else to irritate my fellow posters that I respect.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The EPA has determined US has cooled since 1948 at August 14, 2023 04:10 PM (QsOFZ)

167 Traditionally you have to toss a virgin into the volcano to appease it. Much like appeasing dragons and maybe Vikings.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 14, 2023 04:10 PM (ZIVuX)

168 Did you try the Spam?
Posted by: Archimedes

Poi!
Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2023 04:09 PM (nW4TA)

Wallpaper paste tastes better.... Spam isn't bad... They love to serve spam eggs, and rice

Posted by: It's me donna at August 14, 2023 04:10 PM (bs+z0)

169 Green: "We will continue to see loss of life," Green said during a news conference late Thursday. "We also have many hundreds of homes destroyed, and that's going to take a great deal of time to recover from." ..

Biden: "No comment."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 14, 2023 04:10 PM (YqDXo)

170 146 There were puddles of aluminum under the burned-out cars.

I was burned out in the Oakland Fire in 1991.
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Oddly, when the fire marshals investigated the printing plant that was alledged to have been printing Biden only ballots and unexpectedly burnt to the ground - no puddles of aluminum, iron or steel were found on the premises. Those printing presses are yuge and constructed with lots of metal.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 14, 2023 04:11 PM (kn9u9)

171 For those of you who were or are in the Military, my Admiral can not even renew his CAC card without consulting me? Sigh
Posted by: Nevergiveup

Tell him that personnel (whatever group of three letter abbreviations the navy uses) requires making an appointment on line for that, just make sure you do it before the CAC expires... Oops.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 14, 2023 04:11 PM (ga8qR)

172 > Stop spreading it.

I'm not your bitch, so don't talk to me like I am.

That quote is from nearly a week ago.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 14, 2023 04:11 PM (0N1h0)

173 But yeah, the locals have already sued the power companies without any proof. Because to Hawaiians it's all about the grift.

It's adorable you don't think there's a well-funded liberal effort to bankrupt power companies and bring them to ESG heel so they stop sending Our Precious Electmocracy to the peasants and Republicans.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 14, 2023 04:11 PM (2ocoG)

174 They are still trying to program Joey for his Hawai'i speech, so of course 'no comment.'

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 14, 2023 04:11 PM (ZIVuX)

175 Wallpaper paste tastes better.... Spam isn't bad... They love to serve spam eggs, and rice
Posted by: It's me donna at August 14, 2023 04:10 PM (bs+z0)
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I like fried Spam on occasion. It has a salty, greasy, meaty goodness that goes well with things like eggs or English muffins (or both).

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 14, 2023 04:11 PM (YIVH2)

176 They play with all the welfare statistics to try and keep places like Hawaii off the list. But when you even everything out across all state and federal programs, then look at actual recipients, then do the math. They are the worst. They are also the worst for generational welfare. It's a way of life for them.

Posted by: Rant Man at August 14, 2023 04:11 PM (cn09p)

177 I was very surprised, when I went to Hawaii, to discover how bad even very expensive restaurant food was. The fresh fruits and certain Hawaiian dishes were amazing, but nobody could cook a steak or a fish worth a damn.
Posted by: bonhomme at August 14, 2023 03:57 PM (0N1h0)

Maybe try the Asian food instead of steak?

Your comment comes across like going to Kansas City and complaining about the sushi.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at August 14, 2023 04:12 PM (zjgNU)

178 Traditionally you have to toss a virgin into the volcano to appease it. Much like appeasing dragons and maybe Vikings.

It's seems like you ought to be able make up for a little wear and tear with volume. "Yes, gods of the volcanos, these ones are pre-owned, but we have so many to give you!"

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at August 14, 2023 04:12 PM (ppBhU)

179 Invasive highly flammable grasses in Hawaii have been key to fueling the deadliest wildfires in the US in more than 100 years, experts say. While factors such as extreme weather events from climate change and the state’s local power grid have been blamed for helping to cause the blaze, large plots of land in Hawaii have been overrun by volatile non-native fire-prone grasses that are fueling the deadly flames, according to experts. Land that was once occupied by irrigated pineapples and sugar cane was taken over by the grass species as those businesses began to decline.

Posted by: SMOD at August 14, 2023 04:12 PM (RHGPo)

180 The Bidens had Maui burned down to distract from their criminal investigation.
Posted by: G'rump928(c)

Very possible.

Posted by: Prime Sister at August 14, 2023 04:12 PM (tQL7r)

181 123 Someone displeased Pele.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 14, 2023 04:04 PM (slgIg)

Can't BELIEVE that purple-haired harridan whiffed that gimme penalty kick! She is a disgrace to futbol!

Posted by: Pele at August 14, 2023 04:12 PM (fhX0j)

182 I'm having a dispute right now with my neighbor who has a completely neglected back yard with grasses 6 feet tall, mixed in with thistle bushes and piles of rotten wood. He is a real piece of work. I'm gonna walk to our local firehouse with some pictures and ask what can be done. It's almost like he wants his place to burn.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at August 14, 2023 04:12 PM (MeG8a)

183 Didn't the Navy send two hospital ships to NYC during COVID?
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I think two is all we have. Ships are easy. Staffing a floating hospital is the hard part.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 14, 2023 03:58 PM

The Comfort and Mercy. Those two ships are showing their age. Plus they don't have full medical crews onboard 24/7 unless they are being deployed.

Once they get "activated" the Navy has to round up all of the medical people to man the ships which is a time consuming operation that leaves other US Navy medical facilities short handed unless they call up Reserves.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at August 14, 2023 04:12 PM (QNSds)

184 I think it was a story on none other than USA Today that put the kibosh on the global warming aspect of the fire. That it was, instead, greatly attributable to the uncontrolled spread of non-native grasses that were ready kindle for a windblown conflagration.

But greenies gonna green.

Posted by: red speck at August 14, 2023 04:12 PM (0Id0S)

185 Have they tried throwing anyone in a volcano to appease the gods? - bear with asymmetrical balls

Only fair that the President be first
Posted by: It's me donna

Please start with their House and Senators before moving on to higher ups.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 14, 2023 04:08 PM (zbP2D)

Sure, they can go first.

Posted by: Tom Hank at August 14, 2023 04:12 PM (dGCAG)

186 151 Sell the Hawaiian Islands to whatever Oriental country wants to buy them or turn them over to the fat ass natives and give them their "independence".

Bunch of grifting layabouts.
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Make it a colony like PR and give corporate tax incentives.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 14, 2023 04:13 PM (AbYHm)

187 Even when I was on Oahu I was not going to try the gas station sushi. Nope.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 14, 2023 04:13 PM (ZIVuX)

188 Are there really droughts in Hawaii? I never thought that an island where it rains most days could have a drought.

Need education!

Posted by: Cheri at August 14, 2023 04:13 PM (oiNtH)

189 Townhall.com
@townhallcom
FEMA Administrator Criswell wants to make sure that rescue efforts and communication in Hawaii are "culturally responsive."

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Forget food and water. Send political correctness! And pronouns!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 14, 2023 04:14 PM (FVME7)

190 It's adorable you don't think there's a well-funded liberal effort to bankrupt power companies and bring them to ESG heel so they stop sending Our Precious Electmocracy to the peasants and Republicans.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 14, 2023 04:11 PM (2ocoG

Similar things happened here after the 2017 Tubbs fire... PGE was found at fault and fined billions.. Still say when you have circumstances like the high winds that we had then blaming the wires isn't fair.. However I detest PGE ... Of course they raised our rates because of all the fines

Posted by: It's me donna at August 14, 2023 04:14 PM (bs+z0)

191 Traditionally you have to toss a virgin into the volcano to appease it.
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Throw Kamala Harris in. She's a virgin - in her left ear.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 14, 2023 04:14 PM (YqDXo)

192 Yea but, Trump never did anything to prepare Maui for this type of disaster, so it is really Trump's fault this happened !!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at August 14, 2023 04:14 PM (y9QBQ)

193 Are there really droughts in Hawaii? I never thought that an island where it rains most days could have a drought.

Need education!
Posted by: Cheri at August 14, 2023 04:13 PM (oiNtH)
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From what I've read (so no idea if it's true, and I have no firsthand experience), Maui has a wet side and a dry side. The dry side is apparently *very* dry, with only a couple of inches of rainfall per year.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 14, 2023 04:14 PM (WkNQM)

194 FEMA Administrator Criswell wants to make sure that rescue efforts and communication in Hawaii are "culturally responsive."

Bush's FEMA admisnitrator has no comment....

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 14, 2023 04:15 PM (ZIVuX)

195 I don't believe anyone deserves it. But it was predictable because they chose the wrong priorities. Now on top of funding their welfare state, they want all the other states to pay for it. I'm kinda sick of it.

Posted by: Rant Man at August 14, 2023 04:15 PM (cn09p)

196 So, what's that? Weed and flip-flops? Loco moco and Japanese tourists?

@ JosepKennedy
@Freedom4USNow 2m
Biden's FEMA head assures us WH's outreach to Maui victims is 'culturally responsive' – #PrayforMaui

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 14, 2023 04:15 PM (IG4Id)

197 Kill haole (translation: kill foreigners) day

Posted by: SMOD at August 14, 2023 04:15 PM (RHGPo)

198 Has anyone asked Hank Johnson if the net weight in the change in the island effected by the fires could cause the island to flip?

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at August 14, 2023 04:16 PM (ppBhU)

199 > Your comment comes across like going to Kansas City and complaining about the sushi.

Well, I also said fish.

Additionally, any man should know how to cook a steak well. After some practice, I can cook a nice steak almost as well as anything you'll find at John Howie. It's really not that hard.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 14, 2023 04:16 PM (0N1h0)

200 Are there really droughts in Hawaii? I never thought that an island where it rains most days could have a drought.

Need education!
Posted by: Cheri at August 14, 2023 04:13 PM (oiNtH)
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The islands are all volcanic in nature. This means they tend to have "rain shadows" where rain is relatively scarce compared to the other side. You can see an extreme example of this in South America. The east side of the Andes is very lush and tropical. The west side (e.g., Chile) can be dry as a bone. Satellite view of Google maps shows this quite clearly.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 14, 2023 04:16 PM (YIVH2)

201 190 Similar things happened here after the 2017 Tubbs fire... PGE was found at fault and fined billions.. Still say when you have circumstances like the high winds that we had then blaming the wires isn't fair.. However I detest PGE ... Of course they raised our rates because of all the fines

'round here, sce is advertising that they are actually *gasp!* insulating the wires to cut down on fire risk.

Posted by: anachronda at August 14, 2023 04:16 PM (oY6Yp)

202 Maui has a wet side and a dry side.
Mark Twain, when he visited Lahaina described the weather as "eternal springtime".

Posted by: gourmand du jour at August 14, 2023 04:16 PM (MeG8a)

203 Don't know about their governor being haole but definitely an ahole.

Posted by: Anagrams are fun! at August 14, 2023 04:16 PM (fhX0j)

204 IIRC one of the US Navy hospital ships when entering Pearl Harbor collided with the Arizona memorial.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 14, 2023 04:16 PM (ZIVuX)

205 I'm betting the same Davos folks buying up nice bug-out properties in New Zealand are getting their checkbooks out.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The EPA has determined US has cooled since 1948

That's highly likely

Posted by: Prime Sister at August 14, 2023 04:16 PM (tQL7r)

206 > Posted by: Moron Robbie - The EPA has determined US has cooled since 1948 at August 14, 2023 04:07 PM (QsOFZ)

No worries. I replied before I saw this comment. We're good.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 14, 2023 04:17 PM (0N1h0)

207 >>> They did this to themselves. They took over land and changed it bringing in grass and all sorts of non native plants and tried to make the place look like upstate New York. $hit dried out in the summer and caught on fire.
Posted by: Mister Scott

SWAG - Cane companies built some sweet irrigation canels for the fields and mills. Regular cane burns and wide cane haul roads had for generations kept down wild fires. Due to economic conditions ("bad luck") the cane companies shut down operations, canels not maintained, haul roads / fire breaks not maintained....

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 14, 2023 04:17 PM (ga8qR)

208 Maui has a wet side and a dry side. The dry side is apparently *very* dry, with only a couple of inches of rainfall per year.

West Maui along the coast is generally dry to very dry.

A few miles away in the mountains is one of the wettest spots on Earth.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 14, 2023 04:17 PM (2tUFv)

209 Are there really droughts in Hawaii? I never thought that an island where it rains most days could have a drought.

Need education!
Posted by: Cheri

Orographic effect.
Moist air drops rain when pushed up against mountains.
The other side of the mountains don't get any (okay, very little) rain.
Sierras and Death Valley.
Wet ocean side of PNW and the dry side of Oregon and Washington.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 14, 2023 04:17 PM (zbP2D)

210 Maui burned because of...... wait for it...... wait for it.....

GLOBAL "F**KING WARMING " !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at August 14, 2023 04:17 PM (y9QBQ)

211 "Land that was once occupied by irrigated pineapples and sugar cane was taken over by the grass species as those businesses began to decline."

Hawaii has the absolute best pineapples and sugar cane. You want a grift, how about helping those businesses instead of importing that stuff from foreign nations.

Posted by: Rant Man at August 14, 2023 04:18 PM (cn09p)

212 175 Wallpaper paste tastes better.... Spam isn't bad... They love to serve spam eggs, and rice
Posted by: It's me donna at August 14, 2023 04:10 PM (bs+z0)
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I like fried Spam on occasion. It has a salty, greasy, meaty goodness that goes well with things like eggs or English muffins (or both).

i'm going to have the spam, spam, spam, spam, baked beans, and spam

Posted by: anachronda at August 14, 2023 04:19 PM (oY6Yp)

213 Your comment comes across like going to Kansas City and complaining about the sushi.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian

Supposedly, the big island has fantastic beef.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 14, 2023 04:19 PM (TZ75n)

214 The Bidens had Maui burned down to distract from their criminal investigation.
Posted by: G'rump928(c)

They tried UFOs, Loch Ness monster, Trump indictments . . .

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 14, 2023 04:19 PM (FVME7)

215 Getting your pineapples irrigated sounds like a euphemism.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at August 14, 2023 04:19 PM (ppBhU)

216 > A few miles away in the mountains is one of the wettest spots on Earth.

You did that on purpose.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 14, 2023 04:19 PM (0N1h0)

217 Oh yeah, on Oahu the EOC HQ is located inside Diamond Head crater. Thankfully the volcano is dead.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 14, 2023 04:19 PM (ZIVuX)

218 I made an addition to the last thread about Paxton. The issues I brought up may have been covered in the earlier comments.

Posted by: DanMan at August 14, 2023 04:19 PM (DB6tu)

219 211: I don’t get the fear and hatred of evil foreigners. (But putting that aside, do you realize how much sugar this country has?)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 14, 2023 04:19 PM (+aJOl)

220 Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis has made such a huge mistake in her case against President Donald Trump that the Georgia court may throw it out before it even gets started. The court’s website briefly posted a document listing several criminal charges against Trump. The document was then quickly taken down without explanation. It appears as though Willis’s office may have accidentally posted the document online, putting her entire get-Trump case in jeopardy.

Posted by: SMOD at August 14, 2023 04:20 PM (RHGPo)

221
It's all George W. Bush's fault.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 14, 2023 04:20 PM (MoZTd)

222 I've read comments that say the roads there suck -- there are only two of them and one is so bad that rental cars won't cover damage caused there.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 14, 2023 04:20 PM (krqg6)

223 Isn't Barry from Hawaii (Maybe or maybe no) ... Why isn't Homo Boy and Big Mike not helping his "Home state " MORE ????

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at August 14, 2023 04:20 PM (y9QBQ)

224 I'm seeing reports that relief supplies MUST come from FEMA or Red Cross. All other supplies donated by people are blocked by "authorities". Tons of food, water, etc are sitting by the road.

Posted by: No Shirt Shylock at August 14, 2023 04:20 PM (PWI4f)

225 >>> Mentioned before the church I got married in was in middle of Lahaina. Was a nice church, doubt the pastor then, a Samoan is still there.
Posted by: Skip

Did he dress as Elvis?

Hawaiians loooove Vegas.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 14, 2023 04:20 PM (ga8qR)

226 SWAG - Cane companies built some sweet irrigation canels for the fields and mills. Regular cane burns and wide cane haul roads had for generations kept down wild fires. Due to economic conditions ("bad luck") the cane companies shut down operations, canels not maintained, haul roads / fire breaks not maintained....
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 14, 2023 04:17 PM (ga8qR)
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Is it really bad luck? Or government policies incentivizing cheap labor and less regulation elsewhere in the world?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 14, 2023 04:20 PM (YIVH2)

227 From what I've read (so no idea if it's true, and I have no firsthand experience), Maui has a wet side and a dry side. The dry side is apparently *very* dry, with only a couple of inches of rainfall per year.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

Thanks!

Posted by: Cheri at August 14, 2023 04:20 PM (oiNtH)

228 I don’t get the fear and hatred of evil foreigners. (But putting that aside, do you realize how much sugar this country has?)

Not nearly enough. A small portion of Americans does not yet have diabetes.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at August 14, 2023 04:21 PM (ppBhU)

229 $5.52 billion estimated cost to rebuild Lahaina after fire

The dead and missing residents will be replaced by AI drones

Posted by: SMOD at August 14, 2023 04:21 PM (RHGPo)

230 "Not that an investigation is needed when the causes are already known."

So you say. It just so happens they have at hand just the right person to head up an investigation -- Maui Police Chief John Pelletier and he has just the kind of experience needed. After all, he's done it before, in 2017, when he was incident commander for the Las Vegas Musical Festival Massacre.

He'll get to the bottom of this tragedy.

Posted by: Dusty at August 14, 2023 04:21 PM (yMAev)

231 i'm going to have the spam, spam, spam, spam, baked beans, and spam
Posted by: anachronda at August 14, 2023 04:19 PM (oY6Yp)
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Can I get some spam with no baked beans? Don't care for them...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 14, 2023 04:21 PM (YIVH2)

232 I think Hilo on the Big Island is the wettest spot on earth, last time I was there. It rains like crazy for about 30-60 minutes, followed by blazing sunshine. The reason for the sirens is because Hilo suffered a tsunami some years ago, killed hundreds.
The tsunami came all the way from Alaska.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at August 14, 2023 04:21 PM (MeG8a)

233 Hawaii has the absolute best pineapples and sugar cane. You want a grift, how about helping those businesses instead of importing that stuff from foreign nations.

The Philippines are much cheaper - low labor costs.

There is one pineapple plantation left on Maui, which I've toured a couple of times. Amusingly, almost the entire work force is Filipino.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 14, 2023 04:21 PM (2tUFv)

234 Your comment comes across like going to Kansas City and complaining about the sushi.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian

Oddly, I had some perfectly edible sashimi in Kearney ne, I don't do rolls I hate seaweed.

But point taken. Though Lahaina cuisine seemed focused on the tourist burger. I know WHERE we went when there, but not WHAT I had there.

Posted by: JEM at August 14, 2023 04:21 PM (8erNz)

235 Old Obama video re-surfaces.

Someone asks him the question, "I would like to know what you can say to reassure us that this election will not be rigged or stolen?"

Obama answers, "It helps in Ohio we have Democrats in charge of the machines… Whenever people are in power, they have a tendency to tilt things in their direction."

https://is.gd/evwuoE

Posted by: bonhomme at August 14, 2023 04:21 PM (0N1h0)

236 So many weird things surround this story. Hawaii has emergency sirens, tested weekly (it was always noon on a Monday last time I was there). I heard them when we were there for a tsunami warning years ago. Made me haul us out of bed at 1am. There was no tsunami.
This time? Nothing.
Posted by: gourmand du jour

If they used it they would have all ran inland to the fire.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 14, 2023 04:22 PM (ga8qR)

237 Hawaii has the absolute best pineapples and sugar cane. You want a grift, how about helping those businesses instead of importing that stuff from foreign nations.
Posted by: Rant Man at August 14, 2023 04:18 PM (cn09p)

That's crazy talk, next thing you'll say is we shouldn't be importing all our medicines from Mainland Chi Nah, and all our semi-conductors from Chinese Formosa.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2023 04:22 PM (dGCAG)

238 From what I've read (so no idea if it's true, and I have no firsthand experience), Maui has a wet side and a dry side. The dry side is apparently *very* dry, with only a couple of inches of rainfall per year.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 14, 2023 04:14 PM (WkNQM)

Yes. While we were there, was were told this area is the "desert of Maui".

The plantations that existed there did not rely on rainfall, but irrigation.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at August 14, 2023 04:23 PM (zjgNU)

239 Now this is odd....I just received a case of Famous Amos chocolate chip cookies in individual packages that I did not order or pay for. It came USPS from "Roo Stiff" in California.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at August 14, 2023 04:23 PM (QNSds)

240 Oh this should cheer people up.

Yahoo! News has finally noticed there might be problems with the Peoples' Republic of China's economy.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 14, 2023 04:23 PM (ZIVuX)

241 232 I think Hilo on the Big Island is the wettest spot on earth, last time I was there. It rains like crazy for about 30-60 minutes, followed by blazing sunshine. The reason for the sirens is because Hilo suffered a tsunami some years ago, killed hundreds.
The tsunami came all the way from Alaska.
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Hilo was my favorite town in HI. It reminded me of a sleepy southern coast town. It still had real Aloha Spirit back then, too.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 14, 2023 04:23 PM (kn9u9)

242 Hana side of Maui is a jungle, all of Kauai is jungle

Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2023 04:23 PM (MOY79)

243 Does Hawaii produce any rum? Or did it? (I ask cause of the sugarcane, and I've not seen a Hawaiin bottle.)

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at August 14, 2023 04:24 PM (ppBhU)

244 Now this is odd....I just received a case of Famous Amos chocolate chip cookies in individual packages that I did not order or pay for. It came USPS from "Roo Stiff" in California.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at August 14, 2023 04:23 PM (QNSds)
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That's happened a couple of times to me via Walmart. Seems to be a sort of scam.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 14, 2023 04:24 PM (YIVH2)

245 --- Well, I also said fish.

One would think that islanders could cook a tasty fish.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 14, 2023 04:24 PM (AbYHm)

246 The Hilo tsunami was in 1960 IIRC.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 14, 2023 04:24 PM (ZIVuX)

247 233 There is one pineapple plantation left on Maui, which I've toured a couple of times. Amusingly, almost the entire work force is Filipino.

so... the days where they would fan out across the continental u.s. trying to convince high school students to summer in hawaii harvesting pineapple are over?

Posted by: anachronda at August 14, 2023 04:24 PM (oY6Yp)

248 apparently when campaighning and when talking Covid he always appeared in his dr. whites with a stethoscope slung around his neck.

Posted by: LASue at August 14, 2023 04:24 PM (VPuca)

249 apparently when campaighning and when talking Covid he always appeared in his dr. whites with a stethoscope slung around his neck.
Posted by: LASue at August 14, 2023 04:24 PM (VPuca)
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That wouldn't surprise me.

Dude is clearly an automaton.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 14, 2023 04:25 PM (WkNQM)

250 Hawaii has a separatist movement and has ever since the time of Queen Liliokulani. They want out of the US.
Sometimes I feel the same way.
But it will never happen.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at August 14, 2023 04:25 PM (MeG8a)

251 A few miles away in the mountains is one of the wettest spots on Earth.

You did that on purpose.
Posted by: bonhomme

Usually it's the other side of the mountains in a valley.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2023 04:25 PM (nW4TA)

252 The Bidens had Maui burned down to distract from their criminal investigation.
Posted by: G'rump928(c)

They tried UFOs, Loch Ness monster, Trump indictments . . .
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

Exactly. So....has anyone proved the fire is not a psy-op?

Posted by: Prime Sister at August 14, 2023 04:25 PM (tQL7r)

253 "The tsunami came all the way from Alaska."

Alaska can kill you from 3000 miles away - awesome !

Posted by: Next2Nothing at August 14, 2023 04:25 PM (tA1/w)

254 The blog is remarkably uncruel today.

This doofus could use a good cruel kick in the pants.

Posted by: Diesel Jones, Biologist at August 14, 2023 04:26 PM (Vu7A1)

255 When I was on Kauai we had a tsunami warning, wasted a whole morning sitting in a elementary school up on the mountain a bit. The Tsunami was a bust.

Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2023 04:26 PM (MOY79)

256 Like all liberals and atheists, they will end up blaming God.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at August 14, 2023 04:26 PM (jgJfd)

257 The blog is remarkably uncruel today.

This doofus could use a good cruel kick in the pants.
Posted by: Diesel Jones, Biologist at August 14, 2023 04:26 PM (Vu7A1)
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I thought I was fairly unkind.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 14, 2023 04:26 PM (WkNQM)

258 Mark Twain, when he visited Lahaina described the weather as "eternal springtime".
Posted by: gourmand du jour at August 14, 2023 04:16 PM (MeG8a)

Lahaina's environment was changed by the plantations in the 1900s (after Twain was there). Water was diverted to create irrigation for the sugar cane and pineapples.

They used to have a beautiful river running through the center of the town. Not anymore.

Not so much anymore.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at August 14, 2023 04:26 PM (zjgNU)

259 Everything's up to maki in Kansas City!
They've gone about as sushi as they c'n go!
They got a big conveyor they call a kaiten-zushi.
Fer fifty cents you c'n eat a lot of roe!

Posted by: Will and the Cowboy Chorus at August 14, 2023 04:27 PM (krqg6)

260 Global warming - is there anything it cannot do?

Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 14, 2023 04:27 PM (lTGtQ)

261 256 Like all liberals and atheists, they will end up blaming God.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at August 14, 2023 04:26 PM (jgJfd)

We survived

Posted by: Lahaina church at August 14, 2023 04:27 PM (bs+z0)

262 I've read comments that say the roads there suck -- there are only two of them and one is so bad that rental cars won't cover damage caused there.

The main road is OK - there is even a fast bypass so you can avoid the development along the coast.

The alternate road along the north part of West Maui is famously awful - not wide enough for two cars in some places, on the edge of a cliff overlooking the ocean, and no guardrails.

Apparently there are signs up saying "Locals Only" on the bad road.

I'm not sure why the governor is making it sound as if Lahaina is on the far side of the moon - there is a perfectly serviceable road to Lahaina an hour from the port and airport.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 14, 2023 04:27 PM (2tUFv)

263 Isn't Barry from Hawaii (Maybe or maybe no) ... Why isn't Homo Boy and Big Mike not helping his "Home state " MORE ????
Posted by: Ferd Berfall at August 14, 2023 04:20 PM (y9QBQ)

Oh noes he din int! I don't bees knowing nuttin bout no Hawaii....Barry and his loose ass be from Kenya.

Ain't no bees no fires in Kenya.

Posted by: Mike Obama, Have Hog Leg Will Travel at August 14, 2023 04:27 PM (vPy4o)

264 So you say. It just so happens they have at hand just the right person to head up an investigation -- Maui Police Chief John Pelletier and he has just the kind of experience needed. After all, he's done it before, in 2017, when he was incident commander for the Las Vegas Musical Festival Massacre.

He'll get to the bottom of this tragedy.
Posted by: Dusty at August 14, 2023 04:21 PM (yMAev)

Holy Smokes!

If I were a conspiracy theorist (I'm not, I'm a conspiracy enthusiast), I'd wonder about this one.

Next thing you'll tell me Moose Montgomery is his deputy chief. And Ray Nagin is in charge of disaster relief.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2023 04:27 PM (dGCAG)

265 "Now I want to caution everyone, Lahaina is a devastated zone," Green warned Friday in an interview with local station KHON. Returning residents "will see destruction like they've not ever seen in their lives. Everyone, please brace themselves as they go back."

I'm thinking it will be a good preview of what the world will look like once the Green-Sustainable-WEF reset is fully implemented. So yeah, brace yourselves.

Posted by: Ripley at August 14, 2023 04:27 PM (KrJTL)

266 Probably already been said. So-called "progressivism" cripples and then destroys everything good that it comes in contact with. It truly is a pox on humanity.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at August 14, 2023 04:27 PM (Xrfse)

267 When I was on Kauai we had a tsunami warning, wasted a whole morning sitting in a elementary school up on the mountain a bit. The Tsunami was a bust.
Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2023 04:26 PM (MOY79)
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Considering just how devastating a tsunami can be, I'd totally be OK with a false alarm.

I'd rather have the warning, even if it turned out to be a damp squib, than have NO warning, and be washed out to sea, never to be seen again.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 14, 2023 04:28 PM (YIVH2)

268 Unreported is the miracle of Maria Lanakila.

A small Catholic Church in the middle of Lahaina, just blocks from The Banyan tree.

It is unscathed.

Posted by: nurse ratched, otter 841 superfan! at August 14, 2023 04:28 PM (3fE+V)

269
FEMA Administrator Criswell wants to make sure that rescue efforts and communication in Hawaii are "culturally responsive."

Criswell predicts!

Posted by: Jess.E. Jackson at August 14, 2023 04:28 PM (63Dwl)

270 "they will end up blaming God"

Given the total insanity of western civilization I'm considering the possibility we are experiencing Tower of Babel Part II ? ?

Posted by: Next2Nothing at August 14, 2023 04:28 PM (tA1/w)

271
240 Oh this should cheer people up.

Yahoo! News has finally noticed there might be problems with the Peoples' Republic of China's economy.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August
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I don't believe any news about China or Ukraine.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 14, 2023 04:28 PM (AbYHm)

272 Democrat politicians are not elected due to their ability to handle real world crises, rebuild areas, or to improve the economy - so it shouldn't be surprising that their Gov has none.

Now, the people of HI could "fix" this by impeaching him now and voting in an outsider governor, even just for one cycle. That would send a clear message that incompetence is not accepted.

But...they won't. For lefty LIVs, who are a majority in HI I'm sure, their vote has NOTHING to do with the kind of government they get...its just virtue signaling.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 14, 2023 04:29 PM (lc5cP)

273 SWAG - Cane companies built some sweet irrigation canels for the fields and mills. Regular cane burns and wide cane haul roads had for generations kept down wild fires. Due to economic conditions ("bad luck") the cane companies shut down operations, canels not maintained, haul roads / fire breaks not maintained....
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher

Is it really bad luck? Or government policies incentivizing cheap labor and less regulation elsewhere in the world?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel

Corn syrup subsidies.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2023 04:29 PM (nW4TA)

274 Exactly. So....has anyone proved the fire is not a psy-op?

Posted by: Prime Sister at August 14, 2023 04:25 PM (tQL7r)

I'm waiting to hear what RFK Jr. has to say.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2023 04:29 PM (dGCAG)

275 268 Unreported is the miracle of Maria Lanakila.

A small Catholic Church in the middle of Lahaina, just blocks from The Banyan tree.

It is unscathed.
Posted by: nurse ratched, otter 841 superfan! at August 14, 2023 04:28 PM (3fE+V)

I told you

Posted by: Lahaina church at August 14, 2023 04:29 PM (bs+z0)

276 I thought I was fairly unkind.

You were, but there is a certain cruel edge that is missing.

Don't take it the wrong way, you are trying to fill the shoes of a master.

Posted by: Diesel Jones, Biologist at August 14, 2023 04:29 PM (Vu7A1)

277 We had a vacation booked in Maui for next week.
Rented a condo in Kaanapali. Already paid for it, $3000, which, we may never get refunded and I don't even care. Got the money back from the flights and the rental car.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at August 14, 2023 04:29 PM (MeG8a)

278 We survived
Posted by: Lahaina church at August 14, 2023 04:27 PM (bs+z0)

LOL. The Catholic Church, which never sees a native culture except to find a blemish.

(paraphrasing Mr Bennett regarding Mr. Darcy)

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at August 14, 2023 04:30 PM (jgJfd)

279 Buying pineapples from foreign countries would have been a lot less of a pain in the balls than having Hawaii as a state.

I'm still confused as to why we did that. Guam has a strategically important naval base, too, and it didn't get statehood.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 14, 2023 04:30 PM (0FoWg)

280 Isn't Barry from Hawaii (Maybe or maybe no) ... Why isn't Homo Boy and Big Mike not helping his "Home state " MORE ????

I vaguely recall Barry complaining to his biographer, sorry writing in his autobiography, that Hawaiian people were racist to him.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 14, 2023 04:30 PM (lc5cP)

281 KJP has a brain fart while trying to pronounce HI Sen Brian Schatz's name, pronounces it four ways in 1.5 seconds while trying to get it right. "Sharts" is one of the attempts.

https://is.gd/y5jGrQ

Posted by: bonhomme at August 14, 2023 04:31 PM (0N1h0)

282 279 Buying pineapples from foreign countries would have been a lot less of a pain in the balls than having Hawaii as a state.

I'd be happy for them to secede

Posted by: It's me donna at August 14, 2023 04:31 PM (bs+z0)

283 FEMA Administrator Criswell wants to make sure that rescue efforts and communication in Hawaii are "culturally responsive."

Assclowns.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 14, 2023 04:31 PM (TZ75n)

284 Ka'anapali is probably fine. Modern hotels made properly.

The burned out buildings in Lahaina were wooden structures.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at August 14, 2023 04:31 PM (jgJfd)

285 I like fried Spam on occasion. It has a salty, greasy, meaty goodness that goes well with things like eggs or English muffins (or both).

i'm going to have the spam, spam, spam, spam, baked beans, and spam
Posted by: anachronda

Fried spam on a hamburger bun with American cheese.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2023 04:31 PM (nW4TA)

286 Maui Police John Pelletier and he has just the kind of experience needed. After all, he's done it before, in 2017, when he was incident commander for the Las Vegas Musical Festival Massacre.

He'll get to the bottom of this tragedy.
Posted by: Dusty at August 14, 2023 04:21 PM (yMAev)

Holy Smokes!

If I were a conspiracy theorist (I'm not, I'm a conspiracy enthusiast), I'd wonder about this one.

Next thing you'll tell me Moose Montgomery is his deputy chief. And Ray Nagin is in charge of disaster relief.
Posted by: BurtTC

Now, we're getting somewhere. Was the FBI Bomb Squad seen there the day beforehand, like in OK City???

Posted by: Prime Sister at August 14, 2023 04:31 PM (tQL7r)

287 Hilo was my favorite town in HI. It reminded me of a sleepy southern coast town. It still had real Aloha Spirit back then, too.
Posted by: Puddinhead at August 14, 2023 04:23 PM

Same here, gritty old bars and older buildings. Nice folks. Loved it there. It was still cool when I went which was right before the coof freakout. I plan on going back.

Posted by: Minnfidel at August 14, 2023 04:32 PM (GwxCX)

288 If it's not wildfire it's hurricanes. If it's not hurricanes it's earthquakes. If it's not earthquakes its, tornadoes. If it's not tornadoes it's floods, not to mention volcanoes. Sometimes I think the earth is just trying to kill us all.

Posted by: javems at August 14, 2023 04:32 PM (AmoqO)

289 Every major fire in recent memory has been one of the following;

Environmentalists running a "State of Fear" scenario
Careless Illegals
Pyro government worker

So...which one of the three will this be?

Posted by: 18-1 at August 14, 2023 04:33 PM (lc5cP)

290 FEMA Administrator Criswell wants to make sure that rescue efforts and communication in Hawaii are "culturally responsive."

Assclowns.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory

Get Mazie Hirono to open a whorehouse to raise money for the rebuilding efforts.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2023 04:33 PM (nW4TA)

291 285 I like fried Spam on occasion. It has a salty, greasy, meaty goodness that goes well with things like eggs or English muffins (or both).

i'm going to have the spam, spam, spam, spam, baked beans, and spam
Posted by: anachronda

Fried spam on a hamburger bun with American cheese.

doesn't sound like the sort of thing that would cause the vikings to start chanting

Posted by: anachronda at August 14, 2023 04:33 PM (oY6Yp)

292 How does one be a failure in Las Vegas and go on to get a gig in Maui and continue to be a failure?

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at August 14, 2023 04:33 PM (jgJfd)

293
Get Mazie Hirono to open a whorehouse to raise money for the rebuilding efforts.

Let me guess...in a Polynesian whore house you pay by the pound?

Posted by: Yes I'm going to hell at August 14, 2023 04:34 PM (lc5cP)

294 " Ka'anapali is probably fine."
I think so too, but Maui Tourism said stay away. Even trying to get tourists there now to leave early.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at August 14, 2023 04:34 PM (MeG8a)

295 I'd be happy for them to secede

Everyone hates the cruel yoke of the white slaver devils! Not enough to move out on their own, just enough to complain at dinner time.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at August 14, 2023 04:34 PM (ppBhU)

296 How does one be a failure in Las Vegas and go on to get a gig in Maui and continue to be a failure?
Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at August 14, 2023 04:33 PM (jgJfd)
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We rolled up the government ramp. It's like the corporate ladder, only way easier and much more corrupt.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 14, 2023 04:34 PM (WkNQM)

297 I thought I was fairly unkind.

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If it's not from Ace, it's just sparkling meaness.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 14, 2023 04:34 PM (FVME7)

298 Great writing.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at August 14, 2023 04:34 PM (bFM6Y)

299 How does one be a failure in Las Vegas and go on to get a gig in Maui and continue to be a failure?

Leftists aren't rewards for competence in the traditional sense, so you shouldn't expect them to value it

Posted by: 18-1 at August 14, 2023 04:34 PM (lc5cP)

300
Yahoo! News has finally noticed there might be problems with the Peoples' Republic of China's economy.

The rent is too damn high in Marvin Gardens.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 14, 2023 04:34 PM (63Dwl)

301 I vaguely recall Barry complaining to his biographer, sorry writing in his autobiography, that Hawaiian people were racist to him.
Posted by: 18-1

That's what I vaguely recall, as well

Posted by: Prime Sister at August 14, 2023 04:35 PM (tQL7r)

302 I see Larry Ellison owns a nearby island, Lanai, and there is a Four Seasons resort on it (that he also owns). The least expensive room they offer is a buck short of $2 grand per night. Now, that's Biden-level spending.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 14, 2023 04:35 PM (MOC99)

303 295 I'd be happy for them to secede

Everyone hates the cruel yoke of the white slaver devils! Not enough to move out on their own, just enough to complain at dinner time.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at August 14, 2023 04:34 PM (ppBhU)

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Happy to write Hawaiian folk songs about how they wish they lived under a monarchy, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 14, 2023 04:35 PM (LvTSG)

304 Isn't Barry from Hawaii (Maybe or maybe no) ... Why isn't Homo Boy and Big Mike not helping his "Home state " MORE ????

He's too busy "making love to men daily".

Posted by: Ian S. at August 14, 2023 04:35 PM (2ocoG)

305 I like fried Spam on occasion. It has a salty, greasy, meaty goodness that goes well with things like eggs or English muffins (or both).

i'm going to have the spam, spam, spam, spam, baked beans, and spam
Posted by: anachronda

Fried spam on a hamburger bun with American cheese.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2023 04:31 PM (nW4TA)

Spam Musubi is surprisingly tasty and filling.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at August 14, 2023 04:35 PM (zjgNU)

306 The rent is too damn high in Marvin Gardens.

I see what you did there

Posted by: Jimmy McMillan at August 14, 2023 04:36 PM (lc5cP)

307 What about the Diversity? Why didn't his statement include anything about that and marginalized groups and systemic racism etc...? This is a basic requirement for all official statements by Dem politicians.

Posted by: Ripley at August 14, 2023 04:36 PM (KrJTL)

308 Ka'anapali is probably fine. Modern hotels made properly.

Couple miles up the road, wasn't it? They'd have to set a separate fire to take it out.

Posted by: t-bird at August 14, 2023 04:36 PM (A0/af)

309 FEMA Administrator Criswell wants to make sure that rescue efforts and communication in Hawaii are "culturally responsive."

Assclowns.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 14, 2023 04:31 PM

SMDH, just fix shit K?

Posted by: Minnfidel at August 14, 2023 04:36 PM (GwxCX)

310 When I was a young man in Hawaii, I used to get my pineapples irrigated just about every day.

Posted by: Barry Soetero at August 14, 2023 04:36 PM (fs1hN)

311 Sister used to go every year to Lahaina and stay in some condos there...Was gonna buy a condo but too expensive so she bought on the Big island.. She's glad she did

Posted by: It's me donna at August 14, 2023 04:37 PM (bs+z0)

312 I'm still confused as to why we did that. Guam has a strategically important naval base, too, and it didn't get statehood.

Hawaii has nine times the population of Guam, and is the most strategic spot on Earth - you want to dominate the Pacific, you need to be sitting on Hawaii.

Adding Alaska and Hawaii was mostly an artifact of the Cold War - two very strategic locations, and one Democrat and one Republican state, as is traditional in American history when adding states.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 14, 2023 04:38 PM (2tUFv)

313 FEMA Administrator Criswell wants to make sure that rescue efforts and communication in Hawaii are "culturally responsive."
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We're going to address all the white victims as "haoles"

Posted by: FEMA at August 14, 2023 04:38 PM (fs1hN)

314 A dude named "Anne" "won" a women's powerlifting championship in Canada yesterday.

https://is.gd/WtQkDJ

Posted by: bonhomme at August 14, 2023 04:38 PM (0N1h0)

315 How does one be a failure in Las Vegas and go on to get a gig in Maui and continue to be a failure?

Leftists aren't rewards for competence in the traditional sense, so you shouldn't expect them to value it
Posted by: 18-1

Umm, there was no failure in LV. That counted as a big success.

Posted by: Prime Sister at August 14, 2023 04:38 PM (tQL7r)

316 Even before the white devils arrived, natives were conducting war with each other, brutal wars. Local history I read there was that a whole valley was filled with the dead, and that the rivers ran red with blood for weeks.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at August 14, 2023 04:38 PM (MeG8a)

317 Governor Progbot?

That description covers a wide amount of territory.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at August 14, 2023 04:39 PM (2YtOq)

318 You missed the point. They are going to rebuild with green energy and according to environmentalist mandates.

Posted by: MikeN at August 14, 2023 04:39 PM (XygMV)

319 316 Even before the white devils arrived, natives were conducting war with each other, brutal wars. Local history I read there was that a whole valley was filled with the dead, and that the rivers ran red with blood for weeks.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at August 14, 2023 04:38 PM (MeG8a)

Killed Captain Cook too

Posted by: It's me donna at August 14, 2023 04:39 PM (bs+z0)

320 Found out this AM that Governor Green was born in Kingston my town. He left with his family as a toddler, but he sounds from this post just like the leftists who have taken over my town. Still waiting to see the donations from the power company to the Hawaii Dems to look the other way on line and tower upkeep. The same crap is why Cali continues burning because in the one party state there is no incentive to do the basics

Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 14, 2023 04:39 PM (R62ZP)

321 Water extinguishes fire.

Island is surrounded by Pacific Ocean on all four sides.

Still burns.

Only democrats could pull that off.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2023 04:39 PM (nW4TA)

322 Happy to write Hawaiian folk songs about how they wish they lived under a monarchy, though.
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Posted by: zombie hirohito at August 14, 2023 04:40 PM (krqg6)

323 Kaanapali is a short trip from Lahaina, we stayed at a resorts there. Awesome pool system

Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2023 04:40 PM (MOY79)

324 319 Killed Captain Cook too

james t. cook?

Posted by: anachronda at August 14, 2023 04:40 PM (oY6Yp)

325 Maui residents claim they are being robbed at gunpoint. Funny, I thought gun ownership was damn near impossible in HI.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 14, 2023 04:40 PM (N39Ws)

326 Even before the white devils arrived, natives were conducting war with each other, brutal wars. Local history I read there was that a whole valley was filled with the dead, and that the rivers ran red with blood for weeks.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at August 14, 2023 04:38 PM (MeG8a)

Iao valley. Brutal.

Really pretty now, though.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at August 14, 2023 04:41 PM (zjgNU)

327 I blame those little bastards the menehune.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 14, 2023 04:41 PM (xTRSc)

328 FEMA Administrator Criswell wants to make sure that rescue efforts and communication in Hawaii are "culturally responsive

Are they only going to allow Native Hawaiian indigenous people to rescue people? Must you wear a lei in order to work on communication?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 14, 2023 04:41 PM (m+3Fn)

329 By the looks of them, all they're killing now is Cap'n Crunch (with SPAM added, of course).

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at August 14, 2023 04:42 PM (ppBhU)

330 316 Even before the white devils arrived, natives were conducting war with each other, brutal wars. Local history I read there was that a whole valley was filled with the dead, and that the rivers ran red with blood for weeks.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at August 14, 2023 04:38 PM (MeG8a)

Killed Captain Cook too
Posted by: It's me donna

Then there was a luau 12 hours later.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 14, 2023 04:42 PM (TZ75n)

331 Yes, I devour any reading about Capt. Cook. Locals treated them like gods. Then Cook had one of his crew die on board ship. Cook asked the locals for permission to bury his dead on the island, in a Christian ceremony. That's when the locals caught on, hey these ain't gods, they are mortal. They bleed and die just like us. Talk about a massive cluster fook...

Posted by: gourmand du jour at August 14, 2023 04:42 PM (MeG8a)

332 Good for LOL's when driving around Hawaii was the navigator trying to pronounce Waiakola, Hannipoala etc.

Posted by: Minnfidel at August 14, 2023 04:42 PM (GwxCX)

333 87 6 32. Have they tried throwing anyone in a volcano to appease the gods? - bear with asymmetrical balls

Only fair that the President be first
Posted by: It's me donna at August 14, 2023 03:59 PM (bs+z0)

***********

Be sure to toss Marc Elias in as well. I want to at least have a snowball's chance in h*ll at winning in 2024.

Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at August 14, 2023 04:42 PM (xxG/v)

334 Really pretty now, though.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at August 14, 2023 04:41 PM (zjgNU)
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Early WD gardening thread covered the dead bodies and lush greenery subject.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at August 14, 2023 04:43 PM (2YtOq)

335 318 You missed the point. They are going to rebuild with green energy and according to environmentalist mandates.
Posted by: MikeN at August 14, 2023 04:39 PM (XygMV)
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Most massive grift in American history.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 14, 2023 04:43 PM (AbYHm)

336 I vaguely recall Barry complaining to his biographer, sorry writing in his autobiography, that Hawaiian people were racist to him.
Posted by: 18-1

What I learned yesterday. The Autobiography of Alice B. Toklas was written by Gertrude Stein.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 14, 2023 04:43 PM (FVME7)

337 Water extinguishes fire.

Island is surrounded by Pacific Ocean on all four sides.

Still burns.

Only democrats could pull that off.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2023 04:39 PM (nW4TA)
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It reminds me of the episode of IT Crowd where Roy finds out his girlfriend's parents burned to death at SeaWorld. It drives him nuts because he can't figure how that was even possible. Until he builds a model and it spontaneously catches on fire. Then it all makes sense.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 14, 2023 04:44 PM (YIVH2)

338 Might be a bad time for my Hawaiian Electric stock.

But, regulated utility, so the gubmint will insure a fixed percentage profit.

Winning!

Sucks to be a utility customer though.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 14, 2023 04:44 PM (ufFY8)

339 Water extinguishes fire.

Island is surrounded by Pacific Ocean on all four sides.

Just stick a pump in the water and beat the hamsters!

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 14, 2023 04:45 PM (ufFY8)

340 > Killed Captain Cook too

Cook smacked Kana'ina with the flat of his sword.
Kana'ina smacked Cook with a leiomano, then pushed him down. Nuaa then stabbed Cook with a dagger he'd bought off the explorers. The people then tore Cook's body apart.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 14, 2023 04:45 PM (0N1h0)

341 @Breaking911 1m
Kiwis Recalled in 14 States Due to Potential Listeria Contamination

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 14, 2023 04:46 PM (IG4Id)

342 Never Let A Crisis Go to Waste!!11!
Sincerely,
The Democrats.

Posted by: redridinghood at August 14, 2023 04:46 PM (NpAcC)

343 Killed Captain Cook too
Posted by: It's me donna

Then there was a luau 12 hours later.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory
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Long pig

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2023 04:47 PM (IK+LM)

344 FEMA Administrator Criswell wants to make sure that rescue efforts and communication in Hawaii are "culturally responsive

Are they only going to allow Native Hawaiian indigenous people to rescue people? Must you wear a lei in order to work on communication?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke

Rescues, relief supplies and evacuations will only be allowed with traditional outrigger canoes

Posted by: Ripley at August 14, 2023 04:47 PM (KrJTL)

345 Great writing.
Posted by: humphreyrobot at August 14, 2023 04:34 PM (bFM6Y)
++++
Thank you.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 14, 2023 04:47 PM (WkNQM)

346 Kiwis Recalled in 14 States Due to Potential Listeria Contamination

Back to New Zealand with you!

Posted by: Unclear On The Concept! at August 14, 2023 04:47 PM (2tUFv)

347 Cook smacked Kana'ina with the flat of his sword.
Kana'ina smacked Cook with a leiomano, then pushed him down. Nuaa then stabbed Cook with a dagger he'd bought off the explorers. The people then tore Cook's body apart.
Posted by: bonhomme

Good to know. I thought he ended up as long pig. Well, maybe he still did.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 14, 2023 04:47 PM (TZ75n)

348 > Your comment comes across like going to Kansas City and complaining about the sushi.

Well, I also said fish.

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And ALL the fish is undercooked, often... raw!

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 14, 2023 04:47 PM (ga8qR)

349 OT- Publish or perish Elderly newspaper owner dies after police raid her home and that over son over info on corruption of politician:

https://tinyurl.com/4mkbm8ay

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 14, 2023 04:47 PM (m+3Fn)

350 The bad Hawaiian juju is a direct result of that 1972 junket into the cave by Peter and Bobby Brady. You just can't mess with the idol like that. You do realize Greg nearly drowned surfing, don't you-and Alice threw out her hip doing the hula.

Posted by: History Explained at August 14, 2023 04:47 PM (83IzV)

351
Good to know. I thought he ended up as long pig. Well, maybe he still did.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 14, 2023 04:47 PM (TZ75n)

Kept his body as a shrine I hear

Posted by: It's me donna at August 14, 2023 04:48 PM (bs+z0)

352 Kana'ina smacked Cook with a leiomano,

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An island shillelagh?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 14, 2023 04:48 PM (FVME7)

353 Are they only going to allow Native Hawaiian indigenous people to rescue people? Must you wear a lei in order to work on communication?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 14, 2023 04:41 PM (m+3Fn)

Coconut bras, you silly goose!

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at August 14, 2023 04:48 PM (ufFY8)

354 337 It reminds me of the episode of IT Crowd where Roy finds out his girlfriend's parents burned to death at SeaWorld. It drives him nuts because he can't figure how that was even possible. Until he builds a model and it spontaneously catches on fire. Then it all makes sense.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 14, 2023 04:44 PM (YIVH2)

========

Katherine Parkinson, who plays Jen, is in season 10 of Taskmaster. First episode:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WUDzu5cVCY

(I will get you people to watch this show, dammit. I will.)

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 14, 2023 04:48 PM (LvTSG)

355 > Then there was a luau 12 hours later.

Bligh's account says the HI natives tore Cook's body apart during/after the skirmish on the beach.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 14, 2023 04:48 PM (0N1h0)

356 They burnt all yer Maui Waui.

Posted by: with all possible dispatch at August 14, 2023 04:49 PM (nakGR)

357 > An island shillelagh?

Pretty much. It's a great big wooden club with shark's teeth.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 14, 2023 04:49 PM (0N1h0)

358 'I'm surprised the island didn't capsize when they all ran to one side.'
- Hank J.

Posted by: Eromero at August 14, 2023 04:49 PM (NxC5+)

359 Rescues, relief supplies and evacuations will only be allowed with traditional outrigger canoes
Posted by: Ripley at August 14, 2023 04:47 PM (KrJTL)
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Only allowable relief supplies are spam, macadamia nuts, and Mauna Loa coffee. NO COLUMBIAN!

Posted by: reason at August 14, 2023 04:50 PM (Lq/su)

360 Great inaugural post Mannix, mazel tov.

Credentialism is America's answer to Soviet nomenklatura.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 14, 2023 04:50 PM (JvZF+)

361 OT- Publish or perish Elderly newspaper owner dies after police raid her home and that over son over info on corruption of politician:

https://tinyurl.com/4mkbm8ay
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 14, 2023 04:47 PM (m+3Fn)

Steve Lehto on YouTube has a video about this story ( the raid, not the death). Also, some history of Upper Peninsula Finn's and the disaster there 110 years ago. Yes, sort of related. The video is like one or two days old.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 14, 2023 04:51 PM (ufFY8)

362 We're the Cleveland Indians in Hawaii and, if so, who drank Jobu's whiskey?

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at August 14, 2023 04:51 PM (ZxXkR)

363 360 Great inaugural post Mannix, mazel tov.

Credentialism is America's answer to Soviet nomenklatura.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 14, 2023 04:50 PM (JvZF+)

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Hear that, Joe? It's your first post!

Mazel tov!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 14, 2023 04:51 PM (LvTSG)

364 So, Hunter Biden's lawyers are now saying that the immunity deal, illegally hidden in the diversion agreement, that the judge rejected, is in force anyway. Nice to be exempt from any law.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 14, 2023 04:51 PM (lTGtQ)

365 364 So, Hunter Biden's lawyers are now saying that the immunity deal, illegally hidden in the diversion agreement, that the judge rejected, is in force anyway. Nice to be exempt from any law.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 14, 2023 04:51 PM (lTGtQ)

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"Sure, why not?"
-The DOJ, happy to have been of service

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 14, 2023 04:52 PM (LvTSG)

366 Hawaii got off easy.

Posted by: Citizens of Ukraine at August 14, 2023 04:52 PM (BxCRP)

367 Sad Warbird news

A privately owned MiG-23UB Flogger crashed this weekend during the Thunder Over Michigan airshow that was being held at Willow Run.

Both pilots ejected from the plane and are apparently uninjured. The jet itself crashed near an apartment complex destroying some cars but injuring no one on the ground.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 14, 2023 04:52 PM (ZIVuX)

368 Governor Josh Green has responded about as well as should be expected for a long-term professional politician with zero real-world experience in anything. His entire career from academia to doctoring to politics has been marked by lurching between one subsidized appointment to the next.

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Other than policy, how does this differ from DeSantis?

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at August 14, 2023 04:53 PM (cMXNt)

369 I'd be happy for them to secede
Posted by: It's me donna at August 14, 2023 04:31 PM (bs+z0)

I'd be happy for any state to secede. Happier still if all of them did.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 14, 2023 04:53 PM (0FoWg)

370 368 Governor Josh Green has responded about as well as should be expected for a long-term professional politician with zero real-world experience in anything. His entire career from academia to doctoring to politics has been marked by lurching between one subsidized appointment to the next.

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Other than policy, how does this differ from DeSantis?
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at August 14, 2023 04:53 PM (cMXNt)

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DeSantis managed to get that bridge rebuilt pretty quickly. DeSantis is apparently a much more effective manager than Governor ProgBot 2000.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 14, 2023 04:54 PM (LvTSG)

371 Six people in custody after remains of at least 13 people found packaged in freezers in Veracruz, Mexico.

Police questioning ex-Rep. William Jefferson.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 14, 2023 04:54 PM (krqg6)

372 Cool Cash was only in it for the money

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 14, 2023 04:54 PM (ZIVuX)

373 347 Cook smacked Kana'ina with the flat of his sword.
Kana'ina smacked Cook with a leiomano, then pushed him down. Nuaa then stabbed Cook with a dagger he'd bought off the explorers. The people then tore Cook's body apart.
Posted by: bonhomme

Good to know. I thought he ended up as long pig. Well, maybe he still did.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 14, 2023 04:47 PM (TZ75n)

Funnily enough, James Bligh (eventually to be known as as Captain Bligh) witnessed the enshreddening.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at August 14, 2023 04:55 PM (/iWhV)

374 Six people in custody after remains of at least 13 people found packaged in freezers in Veracruz, Mexico.

Posted by: andycanuck

I didn't know there were chinese restaurants in Mexico.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 14, 2023 04:55 PM (lTGtQ)

375
3 weeks ago, HONOLULU (KHON2) — Governor Josh Green, M.D. is touting Hawaiʻi’s sustainability accomplishments at the United Nations’ Economic and Social Council which is taking place in New York City between Wednesday, July 12 and July 19.

In part, “We try to lead on energy and climate, we’re the first state to mandate 100% renewable energy for electricity,” said Gov. Green to the UN forum. “So, it’s again an opportunity as a small state with technically a small footprint; but we do punch above our weight a little bit because of our position in the Pacific.”

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Though minor compared to loss of life, didn't the state lose many of its historical sites in the huge fire, too?

🙏🙏🙏

Posted by: L - Practice makes perfect. They know their enemies at August 14, 2023 04:55 PM (GshMh)

376 An island shillelagh?
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For he trod on the tails of me grass-skirt!

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 14, 2023 04:55 PM (krqg6)

377 Unverified internet rumor - more than 500 dead expected, many of them schoolchildren (school was cancelled because of the storm, so the kids were at home).

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 14, 2023 04:55 PM (2tUFv)

378
Rescues, relief supplies and evacuations will only be allowed with traditional outrigger canoes
Posted by: Ripley

Hawaii 5-0 theme song!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 14, 2023 04:55 PM (63Dwl)

379 A privately owned MiG-23UB Flogger crashed this weekend during the Thunder Over Michigan airshow that was being held at Willow Run.

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Video.

https://tinyurl.com/4t8zmz8w

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 14, 2023 04:55 PM (FVME7)

380 Both pilots ejected from the plane and are apparently uninjured. The jet itself crashed near an apartment complex destroying some cars but injuring no one on the ground.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 14, 2023 04:52 PM (ZIVuX)

Not uninjured. One is critically injured but in stable condition, from local reporting.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at August 14, 2023 04:56 PM (zjgNU)

381 Are we supposed to have a toast now or something?

Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2023 04:57 PM (MOY79)

382 Sirens on the Hawaiian islands (all of them) are to alert the populace of an approaching tsunami. You hear that, it means to get the hell away from the water and go as far upland as possible. I'm not sure what triggers them, probably a notification from the Tsunami Warning Centers to Hawaiian Civil Defense. Seriously doubt that it would occur to anyone to use them to alert about a wildfire, and likely no one would understand it was about a fire, anyway. Besides, when people are ingrained to go inland upon hearing the sirens, they'd be headed straight for the wildfires which were burning inland, and that would only make the situation worse.

Posted by: tankascribe at August 14, 2023 04:58 PM (HWxAD)

383 324 james t. cook?

I’m convinced that they named Kirk in honor of Cook. Don’t know why they felt the need to stick “Tiberius” in there, though.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 14, 2023 04:58 PM (xTRSc)

384 Hear that, Joe? It's your first post!

Mazel tov!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 14, 2023 04:51 PM (LvTSG)
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It's my first ~~post~~ word hole since my cardboard membership got laminated, and so didn't go up under Open Blogger.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 14, 2023 04:58 PM (WkNQM)

385 Had a coworker who worked and lived there for five years. Hated it. He couldn't wait to get out. So much for paradise on earth, eh?

Posted by: Notorious BFD at August 14, 2023 04:58 PM (Xrfse)

386 > Are we supposed to have a toast now or something?

Sure, toast up a whole loaf if you want.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 14, 2023 04:59 PM (0N1h0)

387 314 A dude named "Anne" "won" a women's powerlifting championship in Canada yesterday.

https://is.gd/WtQkDJ
Posted by: bonhomme at August 14, 2023 04:38 PM (0N1h0)

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Good for "her!"

All the best modern women are transgender women!

Posted by: rd at August 14, 2023 04:59 PM (wzPR3)

388 384 It's my first post word hole since my cardboard membership got laminated, and so didn't go up under Open Blogger.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 14, 2023 04:58 PM (WkNQM)

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I'm gonna be stuck with unlaminated membership cards forever.

Le sigh...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 14, 2023 04:59 PM (LvTSG)

389 Just wait till they rebuilt. It will be a 15-minute city: cars banned, bikes only, green energy only, electric appliances, no grass, mandatory Pride/trans parade on all holidays, esp. in tourist season.

Posted by: PJ at August 14, 2023 05:00 PM (G1dq6)

390 Hawaii has nine times the population of Guam, and is the most strategic spot on Earth - you want to dominate the Pacific, you need to be sitting on Hawaii.

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Sure, fine. Territory is fine. Why are they meddling in our Senate and House? Pearls before swine, if you ask me. I don't get Alaska, either.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 14, 2023 05:00 PM (0FoWg)

391 > Had a coworker who worked and lived there for five years. Hated it. He couldn't wait to get out. So much for paradise on earth, eh?

It's undeniably gorgeous, but there are many downsides. Few jobs, very expensive, lots of anti-outsider animosity, very slow lifestyle, ass-backward politics, etc.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 14, 2023 05:00 PM (0N1h0)

392 Originally James T. Kirk was just that James T. Kirk.

But because of Kirk always seeming to find a babe on every planet, fans started to call him James 'Tomcat' Kirk.

This changed at the first Star Trek convention in New York City when D.C. Fontana said the T stood for Tiberius.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 14, 2023 05:01 PM (ZIVuX)

393 lots of anti-outsider animosity

Yep. That was the deal-breaker for him.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at August 14, 2023 05:02 PM (Xrfse)

394 >"It will be a new Lahaina that Maui builds in its own image with its own values."

That's some authentic political gibberish right there

Posted by: DB - at August 14, 2023 05:02 PM (geLO8)

395 Antifa twink killed at concert. Possibly over a romantic rejection.

https://is.gd/Sq1dEl

Posted by: bonhomme at August 14, 2023 05:03 PM (0N1h0)

396 This report on the MiG-23UB crash only lists minor injuries for one of the pilots.

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/343511

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 14, 2023 05:03 PM (ZIVuX)

397 Not uninjured. One is critically injured but in stable condition, from local reporting.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at August 14, 2023 04:56 PM (zjgNU)
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But....Mav and Rooster ejected and were still well enough to
- have a fist fight
- hike for miles in the snow
- fly and dogfight
- perform an emergency landing with damaged landing gear

.... c'mon. Ejection is just like respawning on the ground.

Posted by: low-info voter at August 14, 2023 05:03 PM (Lq/su)

398 What about the Diversity? Why didn't his statement include anything about that and marginalized groups and systemic racism etc...? This is a basic requirement for all official statements by Dem politicians.
Posted by: Ripley at August 14, 2023 04:36 PM (KrJTL

And stolen land, can't virtual signal without mentioning the stone age savages getting their asses kicked

Posted by: Beartooth at August 14, 2023 05:04 PM (awjlR)

399 I don't see bikes getting allowed. Donkey carts might be permitted, but no donkeys. Communal kitchens for most people, to keep down energy usage. They'll bring in rocks for the serfs to use for their laundry.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at August 14, 2023 05:04 PM (ZxXkR)

400
Surprising:

Netflix Trailer Exposes Boy Scouts Abuse Scandal: “This Is an Abomination”

Don't sign up to watch this. But anyone who wants to write the Judge in charge of the BSA (20% bankruptcy??? WTF?) bankruptcy case and point out how pathetic (pennies on the dollar compared to female abuse victims) has my appreciation.

I guess guys just have to 'man up' and take it on the chin. Because.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 14, 2023 05:04 PM (enJYY)

401 Disclose.tv @disclosetv 32m
JUST IN - Sam Bankman-Fried indicted with using stolen customer funds for $100 million in US political donations, according to a new filing.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 14, 2023 05:05 PM (krqg6)

402 Anybody ever been to Molokai?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 14, 2023 05:05 PM (xTRSc)

403 384. It's my first post word hole since my cardboard membership got laminated, and so didn't go up under Open Blogger.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 14, 2023 04:58 PM

Congrats! Well deserved.

Posted by: L - Practice makes perfect. They know their enemies at August 14, 2023 05:05 PM (GshMh)

404 37.5% of the Joint Chiefs of Staff positions are currently unoccupied.

https://is.gd/71Bx9C

Posted by: bonhomme at August 14, 2023 05:07 PM (0N1h0)

405 ++++
It's my first post word hole since my cardboard membership got laminated, and so didn't go up under Open Blogger.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 14, 2023 04:58 PM (WkNQM)

Most excellent, most deserving. _ Congrats

Posted by: Braenyard at August 14, 2023 05:07 PM (AbYHm)

406 New '2nd Amendment' thread from another COB....

Posted by: gdgm+ at August 14, 2023 05:07 PM (Mvc4R)

407 "Due to economic conditions ("bad luck") the cane companies shut down operations, canels not maintained, haul roads / fire breaks not maintained....
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 14, 2023 04:17 PM (ga8qR)
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Is it really bad luck? Or government policies incentivizing cheap labor and less regulation elsewhere in the world?"

My understanding is that under the sugar tariffs (quotas?) that were put in place to protect mainland beet-sugar producers, Hawaiian sugar does not count as domestically produced and is subject to a price floor.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at August 14, 2023 05:07 PM (ou9hh)

408 Unrelated:

Breaking911 @Breaking911 8m
BREAKING - NEW INDICTMENT: Sam Bankman-Fried used stolen customer funds to make more than $100 million in campaign contributions ahead of the 2022 U.S. midterm elections.

Breaking911 @Breaking911 13m
TRUMP INDICTMET WATCH: Superior Court Judge in Fulton County, Georgia rules that cameras WILL be allowed in the courtroom if Donald Trump is indicted

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 14, 2023 05:07 PM (krqg6)

409
Had a coworker who worked and lived there for five years. Hated it. He couldn't wait to get out. So much for paradise on earth, eh?

Same here. He said they are the most racist people on earth. Escaped the island with the shirt on his back and not much more. Talented dude. Apparently that doesn't count there.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 14, 2023 05:07 PM (enJYY)

410 Are we supposed to have a toast now or something?
Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2023 04:57 PM (MOY79)
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*reaches for Manischewitz*

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 14, 2023 05:08 PM (JvZF+)

411 Anybody ever been to Molokai?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 14, 2023 05:05 PM (xTRSc)

Leper hockey game, faceoff in the corner.

Posted by: Wierzbowski formerly QID at August 14, 2023 05:08 PM (CjHGv)

412 406 New '2nd Amendment' thread from another COB....
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Yeah. Some guy named CDB or something.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 14, 2023 05:08 PM (krqg6)

413 Nood

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 14, 2023 05:09 PM (JvZF+)

414 Sure, fine. Territory is fine. Why are they meddling in our Senate and House? Pearls before swine, if you ask me. I don't get Alaska, either.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice

So we can keep an eye on Russia.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2023 05:10 PM (nW4TA)

415 Antifa twink killed at concert. Possibly over a romantic rejection.

https://is.gd/Sq1dEl
Posted by: bonhomme

This reminds me of Don McLean's song, Vincent. "This world was never meant for one as beautiful as you."

Mostly peaceful climate activist who wanted to be a human rights lawyer jailed for life after stabbing her fiance to death

https://tinyurl.com/3vcf8nwy

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 14, 2023 05:11 PM (FVME7)

416 Joe it is well deserved, you put iup good stuff

Posted by: Skip at August 14, 2023 05:11 PM (MOY79)

417 The State of Hawaii and Western Maui in particular are what most if not all of the United States awaits. The competent fraction there who keep the utilities working, mostly natives and multiple generation white residents (in Maui, not the rest of the state, which is more Asian American), are retiring. Those coming behind them simply do not have the capacity to operate complex systems. These once-coveted utility jobs are filled by people hired on the basis of political connections; illegals from the mainland go there to work. I haven't scanned the comments yet, but the once reliable water system has grown more and more spotty. "Green" considerations are paramount when infrastructure is discussed. Back to the water, a complex and ludicrous system of "consultation" with Native Hawaiian "leaders" is required before expansion; riparian rights are literally viewed through the prism of race.

As for the failed communications system, this in not a one-off. On Oahu during heightened tensions with Korea, false alarms of incoming missiles went out in Honolulu causing people to run for cover and to put their children into sewer drains and so forth. Reverse situation, same problem.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at August 14, 2023 05:12 PM (KSNKu)

418 Hawaii had the lowest percapita COVID death rate.
Only 1/3 that of some red states.
About 60% of Hawaiian population were born there
Another 10% are military 30%eadh ashore

Posted by: Paul at August 14, 2023 05:25 PM (nHJHa)

419
"All of those buildings virtually are going to have to be rebuilt," Green said Thursday. "It will be a new Lahaina that Maui builds in its own image with its own values."
Whatever the hell that means.

Virtually rebuilt, not literally rebuilt, which is the more correct and meaningful phrase to use here.

What a putz.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 14, 2023 05:48 PM (5pZqO)

420 What caused it? Easy.

1) Eucalyptus trees, a non-native invasive species that have been on the island for decades. Stuff burns like gasoline.

2) poor roads and infrastructure.

3) poor forestry management.

4) Put metal roofs on the buildings and underground the electrical dummy.

Posted by: Comrade Roboto at August 14, 2023 06:15 PM (KCysy)

421 Maxie Hirono would satisfy the volcano gods for a day or two, no?

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at August 14, 2023 06:18 PM (OqSlY)

422 As a long-time Maui resident and AOS reader, can we please wait until the bodies are recovered? Yes, we have problems here, but please try to be respectful of the grieving people of Maui.

Posted by: RICHARD E HOFFMAN at August 14, 2023 07:17 PM (7Aa6S)

423 "It will be a new Lahaina that Maui builds in its own image with its own values."
Says the haole.

And, yes, let's focus on the tragedy and not the politics for a few more days.

Posted by: GWB at August 14, 2023 09:16 PM (zUT35)

424 The main problem is that when the sugar cane business collapsed the land was not utilized but held in reserve to exploit land values and sales for new neighborhoods. If you had been to Lahaina in the 1970s or 1980s you would have seen lots of cane fields all around Lahaina town. When they let the land fallow these grasses grew and made for dangerous conditions for wild fires. As another commentator said without the sugar cane properties being maintained it created a bad situation. It's galling to hear the Governor Green blame climate change. And no, hurricanes are not any different today in the pacific than 100 years ago, it's a combination of natural events and malfeasance on the part of Maui and State governments not making mitigating actions to prevent this horrible, horrible tragedy.

Posted by: Erik R at August 15, 2023 03:20 AM (us8O0)

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