$3,802,198,798 To Afghanistan This Year...This Is Why We Need Limited Government

When Henry David Thoreau wrote "That government is best which governs least," he was referring to the more noble and immediate issues of freedom and liberty from government control. But limited government is more than that, since it is structurally incapable of creating what we now call "The Deep State," which among many malign affects is completely opaque to any oversight of its spending. When the state becomes a certain size, it acts as a recursive system, without any checks on its internal growth.

Here is a particularly unpleasant example...feel like puking? U.S. Foreign Assistance to Afghanistan: Fiscal Year 2022, was $3.8 Billion. Why? Because programs are funded seemingly in perpetuity because of the inability of Congress to oversee the millions of separate expenditures that it approved a few years, or a few dozen years, or a hundred years ago.

Wait...did I say "inability?" How silly of me. They have abrogated their role as the country's budget overseer and ceded that authority to the many departments and divisions of the labyrinthine federal government. It is impossible to know how our money is spent, and they do not care a whit, as long as they are reelected and get their cut.

But back to Afghanistan! When the national sport of that country is killing foreign soldiers, the idea that we are spending one cent of American money on even the most wonderful humanitarian aid is galling. But the inertia of those thousands of departments and divisions of the Leviathan is more powerful than any silly little notion of honor and integrity and even realpolitik. They will spend because they must spend, so that they get their yearly bump so they can spend a bit more in the future, and on and on and on.

Never mind that we are bankrupt. Never mind that the typical American would be appalled by its government spending money on a country that has been the focus of incredible anti-American and anti-Western sentiment and terrorism.

Anyone care to wager whether that amount will go up for fiscal 2023?

I think back to The Naval Act of 1794, which authorized the building of the first six ships of the post-Revolution United States Navy. The plans were approved by President George Washington! There was direct oversight of the project, and when there were cost overruns (what a surprise!) Congress actually began an investigation. A real investigation.

The dream of all real conservatives is the dismantling of the hydra of the federal government, but that will never happen. What can happen (though it probably won't) is control of the overall budgetary process by a real conservative president and congress. Simply by ending the expected growth in budgets we could force greater accountability in government. The heads of the many departments would be unable to spend without thought, and might actually consider efficiency, quality, success, and other archaic ideas. Even if they don't, growth would end, and there would exist the faintest possibility of economic growth that would eventually allow us to reduce the unimaginable debt.

Yes...you may have some of what I am smoking.

Posted by: CBD at 12:00 PM

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1 I'll get em

Posted by: Skip at December 11, 2022 12:00 PM (xhxe8)

2 It's not like they are using that money to equip terrorists or anything.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 11, 2022 12:02 PM (uNylN)

3 Been seeing reports how the Sundowner administration is still shipping big cash to the Mullahs for months.
Arming them wasn't enough

Posted by: Skip at December 11, 2022 12:02 PM (xhxe8)

4 *Yes...you may have some of what I am smoking.*

BRB, gotta go get my smoking jacket.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at December 11, 2022 12:04 PM (DhOHl)

5 The Putin/Bout arms bazaar.

Posted by: BignJames at December 11, 2022 12:07 PM (AwYPR)

6 Any notion that federal spending will be controlled is fantasy. The only way this changes, and it will, maybe soon, is complete collapse.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 11, 2022 12:07 PM (Be1Jl)

7 While we are on the military, had a long conversation with Marine.

Interesting.

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 11, 2022 12:08 PM (U2p+3)

8 The federal government is completely out of control. Zero oversight from congress and the 4th estate is effectively the propaganda arm of the executive branch …. And the populace is an army of digital zombies staring at social media…. I’m not optimistic

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 11, 2022 12:08 PM (SlNuN)

9 We've been somehow insulated from the consequences of foolish governance, but I think that can will be kicked down the road no further in days to come.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at December 11, 2022 12:09 PM (jTmQV)

10 It is just insane.
But no doubt that if pressed, the guv'mint folks would say not much is going to Afghanistan and that this is just a smokescreen to hide some vital black programs.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 11, 2022 12:09 PM (anj39)

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6 Any notion that federal spending will be controlled is fantasy. The only way this changes, and it will, maybe soon, is complete collapse.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 11, 2022 12:07 PM (Be1Jl)

And you can bet that "our leaders" have fresh hell waiting in the wings.

Posted by: CN at December 11, 2022 12:09 PM (Zzbjj)

12 Worth every penny. It means that I can smugly plant a Ukranian flag on my front lawn. It just feels good .

Posted by: A 'Progressive' at December 11, 2022 12:10 PM (ABY7r)

13 One day we'll measure the age of things viz govt. programs, instead of carbon 14.

Posted by: BignJames at December 11, 2022 12:10 PM (AwYPR)

14 Tax money has been robbed by the Deep State for the world and their own pockets for decades.
And the Marxists and Uniparty are part of it.

Posted by: Skip at December 11, 2022 12:11 PM (xhxe8)

15 The federal government is completely out of control. Zero oversight from congress and the 4th estate is effectively the propaganda arm of the ~~executive branch~~ three branches of government …. And the populace is an army of digital zombies staring at social media…. I’m not optimistic
Posted by: LinusVanPelt
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Edited.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 11, 2022 12:11 PM (ABY7r)

16 End income taxes.

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at December 11, 2022 12:12 PM (Kd4bG)

17 many observers think the FFR will be near 6%
next year

so just the service on the ND will be near 2 trillion, more than twice the NDAA

we got that going for us

Posted by: REDACTED at December 11, 2022 12:13 PM (us2H3)

18 Edited.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 11, 2022 12:11 PM (ABY7r)

Tangentially, Elon's "pronouns" gave me a glimmer of optimism.

Posted by: CN at December 11, 2022 12:13 PM (Zzbjj)

19 The Putin/Bout arms bazaar.
Posted by: BignJames at December 11, 2022 12:07 PM (AwYPR)

Don't forget 10% for the big guy.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 11, 2022 12:14 PM (anj39)

20 End income taxes.
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at December 11, 2022 12:12 PM (Kd4bG)
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Agreed. Governmental spending seems to be completely divorced from collecting taxes other than as a form of cover for how much money they are spending.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 11, 2022 12:14 PM (BpYfr)

21 Tangentially, Elon's "pronouns" gave me a glimmer of optimism.
Posted by: CN at December 11, 2022 12:13 PM (Zzbjj)

What pronouns?

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at December 11, 2022 12:14 PM (Kd4bG)

22 What pronouns?
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at December 11, 2022 12:14 PM (Kd4bG)

Elon Musk, pronouns (prosecute/Fauci)

Posted by: CN at December 11, 2022 12:15 PM (Zzbjj)

23 Interesting.
Posted by: nurse ratched at December 11, 2022 12:08 PM (U2p+3)

Kinda short even for an executive summary.

Can you tell us more?

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at December 11, 2022 12:16 PM (ZSK0i)

24 Elon Musk, pronouns (prosecute/Fauci)
Posted by: CN

Awesome

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at December 11, 2022 12:16 PM (Kd4bG)

25 15 - I like your edit, Mike.

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 11, 2022 12:16 PM (SlNuN)

26 Any notion that federal spending will be controlled is fantasy. The only way this changes, and it will, maybe soon, is complete collapse.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 11, 2022 12:07 PM (Be1Jl)

And you can bet that "our leaders" have fresh hell waiting in the wings.
Posted by: CN at December 11, 2022 12:09 PM (Zzbjj)

When I envision the future, I see the scene in Terminator, with the machines crushing human skulls... except I don't expect the machines to be sentient, I expect they're still being operated by humans. Whether Chinese or German or American, who can say.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 11, 2022 12:16 PM (Be1Jl)

27 Link: https://tinyurl.com/2zukswhy

Posted by: CN at December 11, 2022 12:17 PM (Zzbjj)

28 There are just too many tentacles to unravel it all. Each gov program works furiously to "protect" its budget by making sure they spend all that is given. Sending any of those funds back is tantamount to admitting your department can get by with less and your little fiefdom should shrink.

Posted by: She Hobbit at December 11, 2022 12:17 PM (ftFVW)

29 I didn't really grasp that the deep state was destroying Newt Gingrich for daring to try to cut their budgets back then. But that and then the blatant overt illegal stuff they did to get rid of Donald Trump for daring to try cut some red tape and maybe a bit of budget duplication of spending has me convinced that collapse and chaos is the only thing that can kill the gub'mint leviathan.

I know that historically the odds are more likely to get tribalism and local corrupt warlords rather than a rebirth of the American founding principles. Even so, I despise the current system so much I am rooting for collapse. I'd probably even work for collapse if I knew how.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at December 11, 2022 12:18 PM (3cGpq)

30 24 - CN: Love Elon’s pronouns. I hate to get my hopes up about one person who will probably disappoint but he’s impressing me so far!

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 11, 2022 12:18 PM (SlNuN)

31 Just sent an e-Mail to Cruz saying this can't go unanswered and expect him to raise the issue and disseminate it to the public.

Posted by: polynikes at December 11, 2022 12:18 PM (E1m1K)

32 Whether Chinese or German or American, who can say.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 11, 2022 12:16 PM (Be1Jl)

I suspect they'll be from the new world capital of Davos

Posted by: CN at December 11, 2022 12:19 PM (Zzbjj)

33 It's why the IRS is getting 87,000 new auditors. The government plans to bleed us.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at December 11, 2022 12:20 PM (BdMk6)

34 How many Federal level laws start with "The secretary shall"? Congress has totally abdicated its duty to oversee the Federal budget and supervise the various and sundry departments with the end result that government and government regulations are growing like kudzu. Trump had the right idea: revoke two federal regulations for every new one enacted. Sadly, though, he didn't go far enough. There must be someone who can track down and ascertain both the usefulness and actual legality of all these regulations, as well as the ugly little offshoots of each. I somehow doubt Joey the Vegetable is personally signing each and every check cut to finance Afghanistan.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I wasn't particularly fond of the '70s the first time around at December 11, 2022 12:20 PM (z7W9M)

35 hiya

Posted by: JT at December 11, 2022 12:21 PM (T4tVD)

36 But back to Afghanistan! When the national sport of that country is killing foreign soldiers,

In related news, I see they have arrested the guys responsible for the PanAm flight 103 bombing. Can somebody tell me where he is being kept? I had a good friend on that flight.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 11, 2022 12:21 PM (anj39)

37 Nice post CBD !

Posted by: JT at December 11, 2022 12:21 PM (T4tVD)

38 many observers think the FFR will be near 6%
next year

Posted by: REDACTED at December 11, 2022 12:13 PM (us2H3)

Fluffing Foreign Revolutionaries?

Related, my mother was watching one of those execrable Fox shows, and they used the phrase "Inflation Reduction Act" to describe something "good" having been accomplished, then 30 seconds later they were just casually talking about how high prices of basic goods were.

Do you people even LISTEN to your own damned reports???

Posted by: BurtTC at December 11, 2022 12:21 PM (Be1Jl)

39 I doubt that Putin can keep from laughing every time he thinks of Biden. The Americans have a sleazy, evil arms dealer in custody and you'd really could use his services in Ukraine. What to do? Easy-peasy, arrest a worthless celeb or sports star who checks all the diversity requirement checkboxes on a trumped up charge and wait for "negotiations." You get your arms dealer or your terrorist back; the Americans get their worthless celeb back, hail her as a hero and praise Joey Choo-Choo for his appeasement. Every single aspect of this trade must delight Putin.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&&V at December 11, 2022 12:22 PM (HabA/)

40 The dream of all real conservatives is the dismantling of the hydra of the federal government, but that will never happen
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Governments don't go on forever, it just feels like they do.

Posted by: Methos at December 11, 2022 12:22 PM (kOpft)

41 Elon Musk just laid off 75% of Twitter and nobody noticed. You could easily do the same with the federal government.

Actually Twitter got better, so I can't say nobody noticed

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at December 11, 2022 12:22 PM (h1jJh)

42 In related news, I see they have arrested the guys responsible for the PanAm flight 103 bombing. Can somebody tell me where he is being kept? I had a good friend on that flight.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 11, 2022 12:21 PM (anj39)

Who arrested them? Last I heard everyone knew who it was, and they/he was walking around free in Libya or Iran or wherever.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 11, 2022 12:23 PM (Be1Jl)

43 87,000 IRS are to bleed taxpayers dry.

Posted by: Skip at December 11, 2022 12:24 PM (xhxe8)

44 Any notion that federal spending will be controlled is fantasy. The only way this changes, and it will, maybe soon, is complete collapse.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 11, 2022 12:07 PM

You sir are 100% correct. We are way beyond the point of any rational spending responsibility and as you point out the only way this stops is a complete crash of the system.

For example, we are still operating under the 9/11 emergency EO that bush signed. It authorizes the President to spend $$$$ on all sorts of things without congressional approval and removes congressional mandated caps on certain aspects of the military including lifting the maximum number of Flag/General officers allowed to be on active duty as set by congress decades ago. The covid emergency EO will also never be allowed to expire.

It is unsustainable and will eventually fall apart but that is going to be extremely painful.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 11, 2022 12:24 PM (uNylN)

45 I used to think no executive would ever fire over half his employees because inertia etc etc.

Posted by: Thesokorus at December 11, 2022 12:24 PM (1ais2)

46 30 24 - CN: Love Elon’s pronouns. I hate to get my hopes up about one person who will probably disappoint but he’s impressing me so far!

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 11, 2022 12:18 PM (SlNuN)

It's important to remember that Musk is NOT a conservative, even if the media is now painting him as such. He's a libertarian who backs free speech. That's great and he's a breath of fresh air, but he is bound to take some stances on issues that will disappoint the right.

Put not your trust in princes.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&&V at December 11, 2022 12:25 PM (HabA/)

47 Through both observation and the study of history, i conclude that *all* governments, once established, grow inexorably and inevitably, and i can find no instancevin history where this growth was ever reversed peacably. I see only two ways this has ever been turned back: 1) Revolution, 2) Collapse due to its own dead weigh (e.g., Clasical Rome, the USSR) i do not add foreign conquest because that is almost always a frying pan into the fire situation.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 11, 2022 12:25 PM (ohN2u)

48 43 87,000 IRS are to bleed taxpayers dry.
Posted by: Skip at December 11, 2022 12:24 PM (xhxe

Nah. The IRS is truly understaffed. 87k isn't near enough. If anything, 87k will just help make the selective punitive enforcement more efficient justified by under-stsffing. Prob need another 100k.

The US has lost or relinquished the ability to tax the top 0.01%. And that is a huge huge problem.

Posted by: Thesokorus at December 11, 2022 12:28 PM (1ais2)

49 There are just too many tentacles to unravel it all. Each gov program works furiously to "protect" its budget by making sure they spend all that is given. Sending any of those funds back is tantamount to admitting your department can get by with less and your little fiefdom should shrink.

Posted by: She Hobbit at December 11, 2022 12:17 PM

In the military there is a mad scramble at the end of the fiscal year to spend any left over money. If you don't spend it all you will lose it for the next FY. I remember one year we bought over 1,000 cases of copy paper with our left over money. We had copy paper everywhere and didn't order anymore for almost two years. Every unit does it and it is an accepted practice if you have any $$$$ left over by 30 September.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 11, 2022 12:29 PM (uNylN)

50 Nice post CBD !

Posted by: JT at December 11, 2022 12:21 PM (T4tVD)

How would you know?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 11, 2022 12:29 PM (XIJ/X)

51 Our own government has declared war on us. And we're still doing nothing.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at December 11, 2022 12:30 PM (BdMk6)

52 The federal gub'mint is full of programs that duplicate services. In 2008 my work hosted a conference or whatever they called it for a group that was coordinating buoys. See 'evil Bush', probably really some slow acting thing from Newt had cut some budgets so the half dozen or so different agencies that get funding for buoys for various research were being forced to coordinate and maybe put each other's instruments on one common buoy.

And I forget the number but there are multiple different federally funded programs for jobs training programs as well. Of course any time one points out this kind of waste to someone who is paid by the feds "But MY program does actual good work and besides SS and medicaid eat up 65%? of the annual federal budget. Cutting out all the fat in the various programs would hardly make a dent in the budget"

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at December 11, 2022 12:30 PM (3cGpq)

53 Can somebody tell me where he is being kept? I had a good friend on that flight.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 11, 2022 12:21 PM (anj39)

That he is still alive speaks volumes about our resolve.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 11, 2022 12:32 PM (XIJ/X)

54 unknown until now, we actually got some left over nukes from the Rooskies in the Bret Grindr trade

Joe plans on using them as a sweetner in his effort to return Assata Shakur back to US

she is widely seen as a replacement for Bob Menedez, who might go down on corruption charges

all of this has been checked and doubled checked

Posted by: REDACTED at December 11, 2022 12:32 PM (us2H3)

55 Who arrested them? Last I heard everyone knew who it was, and they/he was walking around free in Libya or Iran or wherever.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 11, 2022 12:23 PM (Be1Jl)

Announced by the DoJ this morning.
I'm not even gonna try to write the asshole's name.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 11, 2022 12:32 PM (anj39)

56 In the military there is a mad scramble at the end of the fiscal year to spend any left over money. If you don't spend it all you will lose it for the next FY. I remember one year we bought over 1,000 cases of copy paper with our left over money. We had copy paper everywhere and didn't order anymore for almost two years. Every unit does it and it is an accepted practice if you have any $$$$ left over by 30 September.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 11, 2022 12:29 PM (uNylN)

I've heard tales of all kinds of "stuff" going over the sides of carriers when returning to port from a cruise...no aircraft.

Posted by: BignJames at December 11, 2022 12:33 PM (AwYPR)

57 That he is still alive speaks volumes about our resolve.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 11, 2022 12:32 PM (XIJ/X)

I had that same thought.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 11, 2022 12:33 PM (anj39)

58 Nice post CBD !

Posted by: JT at December 11, 2022 12:21 PM (T4tVD)

How would you know?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

Ummm....Ummmm....Skip told me !

Posted by: JT at December 11, 2022 12:35 PM (T4tVD)

59 Nice post CBD !

Posted by: JT at December 11, 2022 12:21 PM (T4tVD)

How would you know?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

(Didja ever notice that SOME PEOPLE just cain't take a compliment ?)

Posted by: JT at December 11, 2022 12:36 PM (T4tVD)

60 First quarter of each year, I have submit an equal but different report on hazardous waste to the the state fire Marshall, the state DEQ, some county regulatory board and the EPA.

The report is worthless and America probably has over 100,000 people combined working this crap.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at December 11, 2022 12:37 PM (h1jJh)

61 The report is worthless and America probably has over 100,000 people combined working this crap.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at December 11, 2022 12:37 PM (h1jJh)

Does Sam Brinton get a copy?

Posted by: BignJames at December 11, 2022 12:39 PM (AwYPR)

62 This is wildly OT, does anyone remember the website for seeing flights from different airports? I have been hearing an marked increase in military jets in my AO.

Posted by: Infidel at December 11, 2022 12:40 PM (ZEa+g)

63 47 Through both observation and the study of history, i conclude that *all* governments, once established, grow inexorably and inevitably, and i can find no instancevin history where this growth was ever reversed peacably. I see only two ways this has ever been turned back: 1) Revolution, 2) Collapse due to its own dead weigh (e.g., Clasical Rome, the USSR) i do not add foreign conquest because that is almost always a frying pan into the fire situation.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 11, 2022 12:25 PM (ohN2u)

I think you underestimate how bad a situation Rome was in before the Reformation of Augustus.

And the Reconquista happened.

And say what you want about him, Putin helmed one of the all-time great turnarounds in RUS.

Twitter became profitable within weeks of the Musk Massacre.

We have a very very small group of criminal personalities in charge of policy. That's it. They are criminals and like doing crime. They won't stop. But they are not hard to stop once the network is exposed.

True. They've entered into a 3 front war (domestic China and RUS) and hollowed out the command structure. But they're as secure as the Mob after the JFK assasination.

Posted by: Thesokorus at December 11, 2022 12:40 PM (1ais2)

64 Since the officials of the permanent bureaucracy fall under the Executive Branch, what if President DeSantis simply elevated to himself all rule making authority? As ultimate head of EPA, NOAA, etc, why couldn't he unilaterally make all those rules that Congress pushed out to the bureuacracy?

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at December 11, 2022 12:41 PM (d9Cw3)

65 Who arrested them? Last I heard everyone knew who it was, and they/he was walking around free in Libya or Iran or wherever.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 11, 2022 12:23 PM (Be1Jl)

Announced by the DoJ this morning.
I'm not even gonna try to write the asshole's name.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 11, 2022 12:32 PM (anj39)

Maybe I'm being naive, I just don't understand how we're arresting people who are wandering around in countries that don't have "friendly" extradition agreements with us.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 11, 2022 12:41 PM (Be1Jl)

66 Bearclaw brain droppings.

Alexander S. Vindman@AVindman
.@Twitter is dying. That’s okay. If anything it needs to be killed off soonest. @elonmusk cannot be allowed to promoted dangerous radical views… hate speech. Imagine Geobbles with a bigger platform and wider reach.

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Yeah, Goebbels was well known for promoting free speech and opposing censorship.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 11, 2022 12:42 PM (FVME7)

67 61 The report is worthless and America probably has over 100,000 people combined working this crap.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at December 11, 2022 12:37 PM (h1jJh)

Does Sam Brinton get a copy?

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No he gets his own original report, no copy

He insist you deliver it at the airport in an unmarked suitcase.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at December 11, 2022 12:42 PM (h1jJh)

68 I need a credential and a badge.

I'll be a Sworn Agent of the Department of Redundancy Department. Which will enable me to requisition 1.4 Billion rounds of ammunition.

I really only needed 700 million rounds, but all of my paperwork is produced in duplicate, so my order got processed twice.

I really only needed 700 million rounds, but all of my paperwork is produced in duplicate, so my order got processed twice.

And yes, Agents of the Department of Redundancy Department truly do need to be armed. We've got all that ammo to protect, see?

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at December 11, 2022 12:44 PM (e6UQI)

69 I can hear Paul Ryan's response to CBD. "$3.8 billion won't make a dent in the deficit. We need comprehensive entitlement reform."

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at December 11, 2022 12:44 PM (d9Cw3)

70 This is wildly OT, does anyone remember the website for seeing flights from different airports? I have been hearing an marked increase in military jets in my AO.

Posted by: Infidel at December 11, 2022 12:40 PM (ZEa+g)

flighttracker.com?

Posted by: BignJames at December 11, 2022 12:44 PM (AwYPR)

71 When I envision the future, I see the scene in Terminator, with the machines crushing human skulls... except I don't expect the machines to be sentient, I expect they're still being operated by humans. Whether Chinese or German or American, who can say.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 11, 2022 12:16 PM (Be1Jl)

It will be quite the opposite.

Think of no/sporadic electricity, running water, and widespread availability of food, and you are in the ballpark.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 11, 2022 12:45 PM (KSNKu)

72 65 Who arrested them? Last I heard everyone knew who it was, and they/he was walking around free in Libya or Iran or wherever.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 11, 2022 12:23 PM (Be1Jl)

Announced by the DoJ this morning.
I'm not even gonna try to write the asshole's name.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 11, 2022 12:32 PM (anj39)

Maybe I'm being naive, I just don't understand how we're arresting people who are wandering around in countries that don't have "friendly" extradition agreements with us.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 11, 2022 12:41 PM (Be1Jl)

The Griner deal was the tip of an iceberg. MBS immunity. ISR and Saud. This arrest. CHN and Saud.

Looks to me like US is trying to get out of the UKR bear trap.

And withdraw other geopolitical tentacles in the most advantageous manner.

Posted by: Thesokorus at December 11, 2022 12:45 PM (1ais2)

73 First quarter of each year, I have submit an equal but different report on hazardous waste to the the state fire Marshall, the state DEQ, some county regulatory board and the EPA.

The report is worthless and America probably has over 100,000 people combined working this crap.
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at December 11, 2022 12:37 PM (h1jJh)

What do you mean? It'll be time stamped immediately when received and then filed. C'mon, man. What more do you want?

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at December 11, 2022 12:46 PM (BdMk6)

74 Alexander S. Vindman@AVindman
.@Twitter is dying. That’s okay. If anything it needs to be killed off soonest. @elonmusk cannot be allowed to promoted dangerous radical views… hate speech. Imagine Geobbles with a bigger platform and wider reach.

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Yeah, Goebbels was well known for promoting free speech and opposing censorship.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 11, 2022 12:42 PM (FVME7)

We don't have to imagine, you useless fairy. That's what it was when YOU PEOPLE were in charge.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 11, 2022 12:47 PM (Be1Jl)

75 > This is wildly OT, does anyone remember the website for seeing flights from different airports? I have been hearing an marked increase in military jets in my AO.
_________

Flightradar24

ABSDExchange

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 11, 2022 12:48 PM (Q4IgG)

76 Thanks BignJames. That's not it, but I found it, Flightaware.

Posted by: Infidel at December 11, 2022 12:49 PM (ZEa+g)

77 Posted by: BurtTC at December 11, 2022 12:16 PM (Be1Jl)

It will be quite the opposite.

Think of no/sporadic electricity, running water, and widespread availability of food, and you are in the ballpark.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 11, 2022 12:45 PM (KSNKu)

Yeah, I'm really not predicting the form of the destructor, just that mental image comes to mind when I think about the future.

I don't see flying cars, and people in shiny silver space suits. I see crushed skulls.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 11, 2022 12:49 PM (Be1Jl)

78 DC is working on hastening the destruction while also planning on managing it

someone always comes out on top

Posted by: REDACTED at December 11, 2022 12:49 PM (us2H3)

79 What Musk is doing with this info dump is tactcally brilliant, it demonstrates why he got to where he is. It is Not about politics (although it affects politics), it is about ensuring that Musk maintains control for good. Elon recognizes that there are a LOT of powerful people and powerful institutions that would like to see his takeover reversed and things go back to the status quo ante. So he is totally and permanently discrediting *everyone* who had any connection to twitter management before. He is remaking *everything* in his own image.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 11, 2022 12:50 PM (ZCVKX)

80 Looks to me like US is trying to get out of the UKR bear trap.

And withdraw other geopolitical tentacles in the most advantageous manner.
Posted by: Thesokorus at December 11, 2022 12:45 PM (1ais2)

Sure. Right.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 11, 2022 12:51 PM (Be1Jl)

81 Yeah, Goebbels was well known for promoting free speech and opposing censorship.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 11, 2022 12:42 PM (FVME7)

Always playing the nazi card whenever you dislike others' views is the hallmark of a dishonest bastard. So many "Ukrainian Americans" involved in that "impeachment" Nuland, Bearclaw, Masha.

Posted by: CN at December 11, 2022 12:51 PM (Zzbjj)

82 Good news, everyone! AR-15s now fire shotgun shells! At least according to the NYT. NYT published a gun grabber opinion piece about the dangers of AR-15s entitled America’s Toxic Gun Culture and illustrated it with a picture of shotgun shells.

https://bit.ly/3uIuTh6

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 11, 2022 12:52 PM (FVME7)

83 Nice post CBD !

Posted by: JT at December 11, 2022 12:21 PM (T4tVD)

How would you know?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

(This guy holds a grudge like Frank Sinatra !)

Posted by: JT at December 11, 2022 12:52 PM (T4tVD)

84 If Donald Trump had recognized the need to do what Musk is doing, he would still be President. Purge and discredit, purge a d discredit, never stop until all enemies are gone. Never allow yourself to think you have won until all enemies are no more.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 11, 2022 12:53 PM (ZCVKX)

85 What Musk is doing with this info dump is tactcally brilliant, it demonstrates why he got to where he is. It is Not about politics (although it affects politics), it is about ensuring that Musk maintains control for good. Elon recognizes that there are a LOT of powerful people and powerful institutions that would like to see his takeover reversed and things go back to the status quo ante. So he is totally and permanently discrediting *everyone* who had any connection to twitter management before. He is remaking *everything* in his own image.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 11, 2022 12:50 PM (ZCVKX)

Yeah, it's like anything else, if you don't want the bad guys to regain control, you expose everything. Everything.

Like being in a bad marriage. You tell all your friends and family what a lying cheating whore she was. So you don't have to worry about her worming her way back in, because there IS no back in.

Don't ask me how I know.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 11, 2022 12:54 PM (Be1Jl)

86 "87,000 IRS are to bleed taxpayers dry."

as punishment, and constant IRS threats to maintain control over people, especially MAGA types.

Posted by: illiniwek at December 11, 2022 12:55 PM (Cus5s)

87 Good news, everyone! AR-15s now fire shotgun shells! At least according to the NYT. NYT published a gun grabber opinion piece about the dangers of AR-15s entitled America’s Toxic Gun Culture and illustrated it with a picture of shotgun shells.

https://bit.ly/3uIuTh6
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 11, 2022 12:52 PM (FVME7)

I have to admit that there are some really cool looking bullpup shotguns being made.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at December 11, 2022 12:55 PM (BdMk6)

88 When i look into the future, I see Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 11, 2022 12:55 PM (ZCVKX)

89 80 Looks to me like US is trying to get out of the UKR bear trap.

And withdraw other geopolitical tentacles in the most advantageous manner.
Posted by: Thesokorus at December 11, 2022 12:45 PM (1ais2)

Sure. Right.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 11, 2022 12:51 PM (Be1Jl)

Thanks man

Posted by: Thesokorus at December 11, 2022 12:56 PM (1ais2)

90 A most excellent post, CBD!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 11, 2022 12:56 PM (YqDXo)

91 From the Book Thread:

kallisto, the movie Corsicana is about Bass Reeves

it's not widely distributed, kinda "art-house" status; but it's received rave reviews and is 'sposed to be outstanding

Posted by: AltonJackson at December 11, 2022 10:55 AM (ENBF0)

Thanks so much for this info, I just looked at IMDB and it was released this past year! Isaiah Washington co-wrote, as well as starred. IMO it's important for the media to portray the productive lives of minorities in America, instead of this constant drumbeat of Grievance.

Posted by: kallisto at December 11, 2022 12:56 PM (ffjiB)

92 One of my scatter guns is patterned off the AR platform. Box mag, same general ergonomics, etc. Needs a pretty stout load to cycle though.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 11, 2022 12:57 PM (Q4IgG)

93 And withdraw other geopolitical tentacles in the most advantageous manner.
Posted by: Thesokorus at December 11, 2022 12:45 PM (1ais2)

Sure. Right.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 11, 2022 12:51 PM (Be1Jl)

This morning, I read that the Pentagon okayed Uke drone strikes inside Russia. Sounds like we're escalating

Posted by: CN at December 11, 2022 12:59 PM (Zzbjj)

94 Alexander S. Vindman@AVindman
.@Twitter is dying. That’s okay. If anything it needs to be killed off soonest. @elonmusk cannot be allowed to promoted dangerous radical views… hate speech. Imagine Geobbles with a bigger platform and wider reach. ----

Dude you are mentally unstable and need professional help. These Ukrainian Americans would destroy the USA just for the chance to poke Russia in the eye.

Posted by: polynikes at December 11, 2022 01:00 PM (E1m1K)

95 Larry Elder makes a point.

https://bit.ly/3Bo5Js8

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 11, 2022 01:00 PM (FVME7)

96 91 Very nice statue of Deputy Reeves, on horseback with his dog alongside in Fort Smith. Riding west into the Nations to bring back a few more for Judge Parker.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 11, 2022 01:00 PM (lz5hY)

97 And here's the real problem: the MSM has abrogated its supposed role as a watchdog on government, and does not even deign to report things like this scandalous waste of money.

Among the institutions we need to gut the MSM joins the NPR, FBI, CIA, EPA, Department of Education, and probably a few others that I haven't thought of yet.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 11, 2022 01:01 PM (YqDXo)

98 Posted by: BurtTC at December 11, 2022 12:51 PM (Be1Jl)

This morning, I read that the Pentagon okayed Uke drone strikes inside Russia. Sounds like we're escalating
Posted by: CN at December 11, 2022 12:59 PM (Zzbjj)

I'm of the opinion either we WANT Russia to eventually use nooks, or there's some secret agreement between Team Biden and Pootin to keep it going. For reasons I can't understand.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 11, 2022 01:01 PM (Be1Jl)

99 $3,802,198,798 / 333,333,333 = ~$12 per person in the U.S. My wife and I would each like a refund so as to splurge on Christmas presents. Oh, wait, $24 is not enough to splurge. Fuck Joe Biden.

Posted by: Marooned at December 11, 2022 01:02 PM (w6hJ9)

100 Very nice statue of Deputy Reeves, on horseback with his dog alongside in Fort Smith. Riding west into the Nations to bring back a few more for Judge Parker.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 11, 2022 01:00 PM (lz5hY)

I mentioned on the prior thread that knowledge of Bass Reeves makes the Magnificent Seven remake a better movie.

Posted by: polynikes at December 11, 2022 01:02 PM (E1m1K)

101 This morning, I read that the Pentagon okayed Uke drone strikes inside Russia. Sounds like we're escalating
Posted by: CN at December 11, 2022 12:59 PM (Zzbjj)

I'm almost to the point of praying for nuclear war.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at December 11, 2022 01:03 PM (BdMk6)

102
I'm of the opinion either we WANT Russia to eventually use nooks, or there's some secret agreement between Team Biden and Pootin to keep it going. For reasons I can't understand.

It's a mess, and being used as an excuse for other govt overreach.

Posted by: CN at December 11, 2022 01:03 PM (Zzbjj)

103 Nice post CBD !

Posted by: JT at December 11, 2022 12:21 PM (T4tVD)

How would you know?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

(This guy holds a grudge like Frank Sinatra !)
Posted by: JT at December 11, 2022 12:52 PM (T4tVD)
***
Snort!
Suggest you genuflect more.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 11, 2022 01:03 PM (anj39)

104 And here's the real problem: the MSM has abrogated its supposed role as a watchdog on government, and does not even deign to report things like this scandalous waste of money.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 11, 2022 01:01 PM (YqDXo)

A second look at the "free press" clause of the 1st Amendment?

If they want to fuck with the Second Amendment, I say we gut the media too!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 11, 2022 01:03 PM (XIJ/X)

105 98 Posted by: BurtTC at December 11, 2022 12:51 PM (Be1Jl)

This morning, I read that the Pentagon okayed Uke drone strikes inside Russia. Sounds like we're escalating
Posted by: CN at December 11, 2022 12:59 PM (Zzbjj)

I'm of the opinion either we WANT Russia to eventually use nooks, or there's some secret agreement between Team Biden and Pootin to keep it going. For reasons I can't understand.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 11, 2022 01:01 PM (Be1Jl)

Even Barry knew RUS had "escalation dominance" in Eurasia.

Posted by: Thesokorus at December 11, 2022 01:04 PM (1ais2)

106 3.8 billion? really? is that all?

i'm surprised that it's not 10x that.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - we are being gaslighted 24/365 at December 11, 2022 01:04 PM (j3SBD)

107 i'm surprised that it's not 10x that.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - we are being gaslighted 24/365 at December 11, 2022 01:04 PM (j3SBD)

Just wait.

Posted by: BignJames at December 11, 2022 01:06 PM (AwYPR)

108 3.8 billion dollars will surely move Afghanistan into the 13th century. Maybe even teach the concept of bathing and that stealing a new goat is not Friday night date night.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 11, 2022 01:08 PM (lz5hY)

109 i'm surprised that it's not 10x that.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - we are being gaslighted 24/365 at December 11, 2022 01:04 PM (j3SBD)

Just wait.
Posted by: BignJames at December 11, 2022 01:06 PM (AwYPR)
***

You see all that money is going to come back to us in the form of jobs for Americans as they pay to fix all the crap we left there.

*wink wink*

Posted by: Diogenes at December 11, 2022 01:08 PM (anj39)

110 Even a lot of the conservative types don't get how business works, they tend to be like Dubya and failed upwards into politics. A long time ago my dad suggested to the local pols that they should get their departments to justify the whole annual budget, not just the increase, and they thought it was this epic cosmic revelation that someone could actually do that.

Posted by: CppThis at December 11, 2022 01:08 PM (UewuT)

111 102 I'm of the opinion either we WANT Russia to eventually use nooks, or there's some secret agreement between Team Biden and Pootin to keep it going. For reasons I can't understand.
Posted by: CN at December 11, 2022 01:03 PM (Zzbjj)

The Current Ukrainian Thing keeps focus away from the domestic dumpster fires, and RussiaRussiaRussia is reputedly getting a lot of graft from Chy-Nah for its role in poking the West. So there's motive, at least.

Posted by: CppThis at December 11, 2022 01:10 PM (UewuT)

112 Dude you are mentally unstable and need professional help. These Ukrainian Americans would destroy the USA just for the chance to poke Russia in the eye.
Posted by: polynikes at December 11, 2022 01:00 PM (E1m1K)

They are halfway there, I'm afraid. The full economic ramifications will materialize next year. Maybe they should just speed things up and send twenty or fifty trillion to Ukraine and Afghanistan.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 11, 2022 01:11 PM (KSNKu)

113 Although the ethnicity is wrong, Deputy Reeves is almost certainly the inspiration for Rooster Cogburn.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 11, 2022 01:11 PM (ZCVKX)

114 Also, while sending the Taliban a shitpot full of money, large slicing tomatoes were 3.89 a pound this morning. Inflation is easing, we are not in a recession. Say it like you mean it.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 11, 2022 01:11 PM (lz5hY)

115 Even a lot of the conservative types don't get how business works, they tend to be like Dubya and failed upwards into politics. A long time ago my dad suggested to the local pols that they should get their departments to justify the whole annual budget, not just the increase, and they thought it was this epic cosmic revelation that someone could actually do that.
Posted by: CppThis at December 11, 2022 01:08 PM (UewuT)

Rush talked about this a lot. Go back to zero-based budgets.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at December 11, 2022 01:13 PM (BdMk6)

116 In related news, I see they have arrested the guys responsible for the PanAm flight 103 bombing. Can somebody tell me where he is being kept? I had a good friend on that flight.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 11, 2022 12:21 PM (anj39)
______________

I was on that flight ... the day before. I was supposed to be on the fateful flight, but owing to a tight schedule in the US moved up my departure by a day.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 11, 2022 01:13 PM (YqDXo)

117 99 $3,802,198,798 / 333,333,333 = ~$12 per person in the U.S. My wife and I would each like a refund so as to splurge on Christmas presents. Oh, wait, $24 is not enough to splurge. Fuck Joe Biden.

Posted by: Marooned at December 11, 2022 01:02 PM (w6hJ9)

Oh, look at Mx. Fancy Schmancy here!

$24 will get you a ticket to the movies, you can use it on date night with your SO. The only catch is, you'll have to view it in shifts.

Posted by: kallisto at December 11, 2022 01:14 PM (ffjiB)

118 Mentally preparing for eventuality of immigration. We're.well down the road of becoming "the baddies". The next 4 years will tell the tale. Barring massive restructuring, I give ithe military 8 - 10 years before they flip WokeLeft. That's the knockout punch.

Posted by: MikeN at December 11, 2022 01:16 PM (YrP1c)

119 In Joe Bidet's America, $24 gets you...

3 Idaho potatoes and a toothbrush

Posted by: kallisto at December 11, 2022 01:16 PM (ffjiB)

120 Even Barry knew RUS had "escalation dominance" in Eurasia.
Posted by: Thesokorus at December 11, 2022 01:04 PM (1ais2)
____________

Wait - isn't he the one who in a debate said "the 80s called, and want their foreign policy back" in connection with Russia?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 11, 2022 01:16 PM (YqDXo)

121 Afternoon all

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 11, 2022 01:16 PM (dO/0d)

122 $3.8 B giving to the 12th century isn't going to advance them a day

Posted by: Skip at December 11, 2022 01:16 PM (xhxe8)

123 Disillusionment sprinkled with blonde Lebanese mixed with Columbian gold smoked in a corncob pipe.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at December 11, 2022 01:16 PM (3Or4S)

124 Not gonna try that hard, but first glance I'm not sure about the major portion of that FY22 $, it's designated DOD, but wondering what that might be. Most of the rest are familiar, though it doesn't say whether they were assessed or voluntary contributions for the int'l agencies. And they are all the familiar humanitarian aid actors. Since A'stan fell in July '21, well into FY21, the '21 numbers (much smaller, interestingly) make sense. I'd expect a big bump up in the humanitarian stuff, not DOD, for '22.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 11, 2022 01:16 PM (OTzUX)

125 113 I don't know about that, Tom. Cogburn had a pretty shady past, while Reeves was pretty much squeaky clean (had to be to be a black Deputy). The guy turned himself in for an accidental shooting, and was tried in the court where he served as an officer. Now, fun fact, AR Highway 22 has True Grit Trail signs, going from Yell County to the Arkansas River.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 11, 2022 01:17 PM (lz5hY)

126 What can happen (though it probably won't) is control of the overall budgetary process by a real conservative president and congress.

STEINER WILL COME

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at December 11, 2022 01:17 PM (Os3Lc)

127 And they are all the familiar humanitarian aid actors.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 11, 2022 01:16 PM (OTzUX)
_____________

An inadvertent omission from my list of institutions we need to gut. Along with the UN.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 11, 2022 01:19 PM (YqDXo)

128 Russia is aligning themselves militarily with Iran. They've bought and are buying "suicide drones" and some short/medium range missiles from them. The Russians are also going to begin training Iranian pilots how to fly the Su-35, a 4th generation fighter/attack jet comparable to our F-15 Eagle. There are 24 of these jets that were destined for Turkey until the US stepped in and killed that deal.

This is a problem. One the junta can't solve, or doesn't want to solve. Pressuring Russia in Ukraine might be sending a signal, but given the incompetence of the *biden administration and those running FedGov, who knows what "message" Putin's actually getting if any at all?

In the end though it's likely the Ukraine/Russian war is a huge source of grift. That must not stop. Plus it's a handy distraction from other things going on.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 11, 2022 01:19 PM (Q4IgG)

129 Personal anecdote. Last year when I did my taxes I was annoyed because I couldn't find any record of a 1099 from work for some 'intellectual royalties' we got a check from and that check didn't seem to be included in my regular income statement from work. I went online and royalties are taxable and by my reading I was liable for taxes on any bit they gave me even thought work is a tax exempt entity.

Well the IRS sent me 4 pieces of mail recently. One notice that I was getting a refund and I had a month or so to counter if I thought the refund or amount of it was wrong and a few days later, three checks. One for most of the amount and then about $10 and a $1 check. The amount is about right for my rate on that royalty so I guess I was wrong about having to treat it as royalty income when I filed. But just stupid, send me a notice that I must respond by Jan xx if I think they are wrong and then send the checks early in Dec and 3 separate checks. Our leviathan is relentless at times and can be smothering but efficient they aint.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at December 11, 2022 01:19 PM (3cGpq)

130 105 Even Barry knew RUS had "escalation dominance" in Eurasia.
Posted by: Thesokorus at December 11, 2022 01:04 PM (1ais2)

King Barry was asshoe, but he wasn't stupid. He didn't take Fauci's bait, either. If Mooch goes up against Trump, Biden, or any of the D governors that is suddenly going to become a big talking point.

Posted by: CppThis at December 11, 2022 01:19 PM (UewuT)

131 Not gonna try that hard, but first glance I'm not sure about the major portion of that FY22 $, it's designated DOD, but wondering what that might be.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 11, 2022 01:16 PM (OTzUX)

And the data are redacted, so it is impossible to know.

It would be one thing if it were for 500 pound bombs being dropped from B-52s onto all of our leftover military stuff, but we all know better....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 11, 2022 01:19 PM (XIJ/X)

132 Ukraine has been hitting inside Russia with artillery, aircraft (helos) and now drones for some time. Not sure what US permission has to do with anything. The drones have been some elderly Soviet-era things that were originally made in Kharkov.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 11, 2022 01:20 PM (OTzUX)

133

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) said that Arizona Sen. Kyrsten Sinema, who announced she’s leaving the Democratic Party, would keep her committee assignments.

“She asked me to keep her committee assignments and I agreed,” Schumer said in a statement to news outlets on Friday. With Sinema as an independent, Democrats will hold majorities on committees and will have more subpoena power following Sen. Raphael Warnock’s (D-Ga.) reelection earlier this week.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 11, 2022 01:21 PM (63Dwl)

134 I was on that flight ... the day before. I was supposed to be on the fateful flight, but owing to a tight schedule in the US moved up my departure by a day.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 11, 2022 01:13 PM (YqDXo)

But by the grace of God...

Posted by: Diogenes at December 11, 2022 01:21 PM (anj39)

135 I was on that flight ... the day before. I was supposed to be on the fateful flight, but owing to a tight schedule in the US moved up my departure by a day.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 11, 2022 01:13 PM (YqDXo)

I was actually seated on the Alaskan Airlines flight that crashed on approach to Juneau in 1969. I was a standby passenger and I got bumped when the ticketed passenger showed up at the last minute.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at December 11, 2022 01:22 PM (BdMk6)

136 120 Even Barry knew RUS had "escalation dominance" in Eurasia.
Posted by: Thesokorus at December 11, 2022 01:04 PM (1ais2)
____________

Wait - isn't he the one who in a debate said "the 80s called, and want their foreign policy back" in connection with Russia?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 11, 2022 01:16 PM (YqDXo)

Yeah well he was right. His diagnosis was correct. His prescription was horrible. Like a lot of Leftists.

We let RUS pay off their foreign debts (extricate from Intel Finance control system) and achieve technological dominance in missiles and air defense. They are most likely at autarky.

We continued to fight the Cold War while Russia did something else.

Posted by: Thesokorus at December 11, 2022 01:25 PM (1ais2)

137 The govt will say they are paying the non-profits to "stop hunger" and all that BS, but the Taliban takes their cut. Always, always. It's a bribe.

Posted by: Ultra pj at December 11, 2022 01:25 PM (G1dq6)

138 129 Pale Rider, doesn't that just leave you amazed. When I moved down here, I had packed a desk drawer. In there were some winning lottery tickets, none over two bucks, about 10 tickets IIRC. Came to about $20, so I figure for the cost of a stamp, I would mail them back to PA. Got ten checks from the Commonwealth.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 11, 2022 01:25 PM (lz5hY)

139 The dream of all real conservatives is the dismantling of the hydra of the federal government, but that will never happen. What can happen (though it probably won't) is control of the overall budgetary process by a real conservative president and congress.

My dream is for what happened in the movie "Dave". Where Kevin Kline calls in his friend the accountant to look at the federal government budget books and find all the areas they can either cut programs or move around budget items, so he can save the money needed to keep the program intact for homeless children homes.

I want this done for every single taxpayer dollar in the federal budget. Even better, televise it. Put every single leader in charge of every single department put on the spot as to yea or nay for justifying the money for their budget item. There is absolutely no excuse for why this should not happen.

https://bit.ly/3VPvlGe

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at December 11, 2022 01:26 PM (Do5/p)

140 Sinema won't get in the way of the Senate's efforts to harass Orange Man and his people, which is probably the only thing Schumer cares about. It's not like she's anything but hardcore social-worker liberal, anyway, she's just cognizant of the fact that her former party has given itself over to wanton profligacy and economic self destruction.

Posted by: CppThis at December 11, 2022 01:27 PM (UewuT)

141 “That government is best which governs least”. Thoreau had many great sayings, but this one is 100% Thomas Jefferson.

Posted by: Roger DePoy at December 11, 2022 01:27 PM (wLtJD)

142 I don't generally approve of phony ass made up pronouns but . . .

Elon Musk@elonmusk
My pronouns are Prosecute/Fauci
-
John Brennan responded . . .

John O. Brennan@JohnBrennan
Dr. Fauci is a national hero who will be remembered for generations to come for his innate goodness & many contributions to public health
Despite your business success, you will be remembered most for fueling public hate & divisions.
You may have money, but you have no class.
-
He'll be remembered right up there with Dr. Mengele.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 11, 2022 01:28 PM (FVME7)

143 When you accept the notion that those we "elect" to represent us in the capitol city go there for an entirely different reason; grift, expecting them to provide oversight on FedGov is laughable. The agenda of the faceless and unelected bureaucrats currently running FedGov jives with the politicians who are there... get rich, wield power.

That's the extent of it.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 11, 2022 01:29 PM (Q4IgG)

144 Somewhere along the line "Provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare" got reversed.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 11, 2022 01:29 PM (lz5hY)

145 Mengele was remembered for generations for his contributions to medical knowledge, too. Not so much for the goodness.

Posted by: CppThis at December 11, 2022 01:30 PM (UewuT)

146 Let's list the things brennan has been right about?

I'll wait

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 11, 2022 01:31 PM (dO/0d)

147 this one is 100% Thomas Jefferson.

Posted by: Roger DePoy at December 11, 2022 01:27 PM (wLtJD)

Almost certainly not Jefferson.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 11, 2022 01:31 PM (XIJ/X)

148 Elon is a man that loves children and has several of his own. Started a private school for them, which is open for others to attend. And he seems to love the Constitution. Good enough for me.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 11, 2022 01:32 PM (uz3Px)

149 Our leviathan is relentless at times and can be smothering but efficient they aint.
Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at December 11, 2022 01:19 PM (3cGpq)
______________

The IRS and I swapped checks for $14 K in 2020 (IIRC). In April I sent them the check for taxes on my late father's estate. In June I get a nasty letter that I haven't paid, and had three days in which to pay, so I stop payment on the first check (thinking it had gone astray) and send another one. In July I received a check from the IRS for $14 K, saying I'd overpaid. In August I received a letter saying my first check had been dishonored by the bank when they - finally - had tried to deposit it - four months after they'd received it - because of course I'd stopped payment on it.

Fortunately I'd scanned all the documents involved, and sent them a letter detailing the chronology, and attached copies of all the scanned documents and checks. Finally, they came up for air.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 11, 2022 01:33 PM (YqDXo)

150 https://tinyurl.com/bdzk5wk2

Colonel Fatburger is off his meds again

Posted by: JEM at December 11, 2022 01:33 PM (8erNz)

151 John W. Dean@JohnWDean
I am looking for a lawyer/law firm that will file a class action against Musk. For many of us who were here long before he arrived he has ruined Twitter in too many ways to explain in a tweet!

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A hurt feelings class action suit? An I'm rubber and you're glue suit?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 11, 2022 01:33 PM (FVME7)

152 NYT published a gun grabber opinion piece about the dangers of AR-15s entitled America’s Toxic Gun Culture and illustrated it with a picture of shotgun shells.

https://bit.ly/3uIuTh6
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 11, 2022 12:52 PM (FVME7)

Right, no mention of how our toxic gun culture won our independence. It reminds me of when I was in italy sitting in the hotel bar and 2 loud Scots in their skirts and feathered caps come walking in. They invited me to their table since we were the only ones there. They start going on about how the english stole their country. 10 minutes later they're grilling me about the amount of guns in the states, and how its more manly to use an axe. then they go back to how the english stole their country. I then said well they tried that shit in America, but we threw their silly asses out...with guns, so whats your excuse?

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 11, 2022 01:34 PM (VwHCD)

153 Christmas decorating is done!

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at December 11, 2022 01:35 PM (Wy1BU)

154 Wikiquote says it's commonly misattributed to Jefferson, with Thoreau himself claiming such, but like a lot of the pages in the Stuff Jefferson Said book they're murky on where it actually came from.

Posted by: CppThis at December 11, 2022 01:35 PM (UewuT)

155 137 The govt will say they are paying the non-profits to "stop hunger" and all that BS, but the Taliban takes their cut. Always, always. It's a bribe.
Posted by: Ultra pj at December 11, 2022 01:25 PM (G1dq6)
_____________

Question: what did they do there about hunger for the untold millennia before there were non-profits?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 11, 2022 01:36 PM (YqDXo)

156 There's a really cute young lady on Fox, from the Uke Department of Energy. Real cute. And we get the Ru Paul of the baggage carousels.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 11, 2022 01:36 PM (lz5hY)

157 Fortunately I'd scanned all the documents involved, and sent them a letter detailing the chronology, and attached copies of all the scanned documents and checks. Finally, they came up for air.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

I had to send a check for Dad's estate. I sent it certified. When I got called on it. I sent them a copy of the cancelled check and the signed green card they backed off.

Posted by: Infidel at December 11, 2022 01:36 PM (ZEa+g)

158 "That government is best which governs least,"

I'm going with "boats that have long ago sailed"

for the towsand, Alex

no, make that 2 towsand

Posted by: REDACTED at December 11, 2022 01:36 PM (us2H3)

159 Btw, speaking of financial collapse, when was the last time the feds passed an actual yearly budget?

Posted by: Ultra pj at December 11, 2022 01:39 PM (G1dq6)

160 Nice post CBD !

Posted by: JT at December 11, 2022 12:21 PM (T4tVD)

How would you know?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

(This guy holds a grudge like Frank Sinatra !)
Posted by: JT at December 11, 2022 12:52 PM (T4tVD)
***
Snort!
Suggest you genuflect more.
Posted by: Diogenes

As long as he doesn't start singing.....

Posted by: JT at December 11, 2022 01:39 PM (T4tVD)

161 From a rhetoric standpoint (which is all that matters when it comes to political discourse), conservatives need to stop saying they want to slash government spending and have a more limited government.

Why? 1) It's downright musty and archaic. You might as well advocate for a restoration of Victorian sexual mores. It merely makes you seem way out of date and out of step with reality.
2) Because it simply can't be done. When a party advocates the same thing for decades and does virtually nothing about it even when it is in full power (controlling both houses of Congress and the presidency), it becomes a bad joke.
3) It's bad politics. As the left has shown, all that matters is getting power. If you advocate things that make you less likely to get power, you won't get to do those things. This is something Trump understood when he said he wasn't interested in cutting entitlement programs. We all know it needs to be done. But you can't do it if you don't have power.

The left is clever enough not to trumpet their least popular policy ideas. Instead, they wait until they're in power and then they just quietly implement them. Conservatives need to be at least as clever.

Posted by: Rusty Trawler at December 11, 2022 01:40 PM (1gif2)

162 Is this thread open, or do need to talk about the government wasting money?

I've read through the Lake lawsuit now, all 70 pages. It is a pretty amazing read. Any judge that follows the law and doesn't dismiss for partisan reasons has no choice but to order a new election.

Very impressive lawyering went into it.

Posted by: Dave in Fla (there is no path to 270) at December 11, 2022 01:40 PM (5p7BC)

163 Yeah a Marxist opinion of Fauci should be carved in stone alright

Posted by: Skip at December 11, 2022 01:41 PM (xhxe8)

164 As prophesized by Beach Boys of old:

Christmas comes this time each year.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at December 11, 2022 01:41 PM (DhOHl)

165 160 Who was the comedian that said Frank Sinatra saved his life? "These guys are beating the hell out of me in a Vegas back room, and Frank says that's enough for now".

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 11, 2022 01:41 PM (lz5hY)

166 Let's list the things brennan has been right about?

I'll wait
Posted by: Nevergiveup

Walter Brennan ?

Posted by: JT at December 11, 2022 01:42 PM (T4tVD)

167 Is this thread open, or do need to talk about the government wasting money?

I've read through the Lake lawsuit now, all 70 pages. It is a pretty amazing read. Any judge that follows the law and doesn't dismiss for partisan reasons has no choice but to order a new election.

Very impressive lawyering went into it.
Posted by: Dave in Fla (there is no path to 270) at December 11, 2022 01:40 PM (5p7BC)

From your lips to God's ear.

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at December 11, 2022 01:43 PM (AiZBA)

168 a local auction has a piece of porcelain which I collect up for sale this week

fortunately, they don't know what it is, so it does not come up on searches

unfortunately, it is being sold with a piece of Imari, Japanese Imari in fact. I kinda like Chinese Imari but ugh, Nip Imari

and the piece I want is ancient and busted to hell and put together with old, old stapes

Posted by: REDACTED at December 11, 2022 01:45 PM (us2H3)

169 Kyle and Julian Brennan from X-Universe games > Walter Brennan > Brennan's Restaurant > John Brennan

Posted by: CppThis at December 11, 2022 01:45 PM (UewuT)

170 I didn't really grasp that the deep state was destroying Newt Gingrich for daring to try to cut their budgets back then. But that and then the blatant overt illegal stuff they did to get rid of Donald Trump for daring to try cut some red tape and maybe a bit of budget duplication of spending has me convinced that collapse and chaos is the only thing that can kill the gub'mint leviathan.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at December 11, 2022 12:18 PM

If you believe what Oliver Stone has shown in "JFK" and "JFK Revisited" (and I do), JFK and Robert Kennedy were assassinated, because they were working to defund the CIA and the Deep State.

So anyone who thinks that the Deep State can be dismantled easily is naive. The Deep State has been taking out their enemies for decades, by any means necessary. It is going to take an army of Trumps and DeSantises to take them on and defeat them. And keep in mind the Deep State is fully backed by the World Economic Forum (WEF) and who knows how many billionaires (Soros, Gates, Zuckerberg, etc.). Nevermind the (Discover the) Networks of thousands upon thousands of organizations all across the country and world.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at December 11, 2022 01:45 PM (Do5/p)

171 NHL-Supported "Team Trans Draft" Hockey Game Results in Traumatic Head Injury to Female Player

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Well, in fairness, how good was her head before the accident?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 11, 2022 01:46 PM (FVME7)

172 Walter Brennan ?
Posted by: JT at December 11, 2022 01:42 PM (T4tVD)

don't fuck around with Grandpa McCoy

he won 3 oscars

Posted by: REDACTED at December 11, 2022 01:46 PM (us2H3)

173 Dave I read a article spelling Kari's court document, pretty good argument.
But getting a court to go with it is hard. No one wants to prove the can of worms is real.

Posted by: Skip at December 11, 2022 01:46 PM (xhxe8)

174 Dave in Fla - central point was the Maricopa polling place issue, or something else?

Posted by: rhomboid at December 11, 2022 01:47 PM (OTzUX)

175 160 Who was the comedian that said Frank Sinatra saved his life?

Sinatra actually did save Ava Gardners' life.

George C. Scott was beating the living shit out of her, and it got so bad that Ava's maid reached out to Frank.
Sinatra made one phone call to Scott, and he never so much as gave Ava another dirty look.

Posted by: kallisto at December 11, 2022 01:47 PM (x3XTW)

176 Imagine telling someone in 2008 or even 2020 that we would be defeated by the Taliban, give them billions in military equipment AND pay them reparations (that is what this is) for years after...

Posted by: 18-1 at December 11, 2022 01:47 PM (lc5cP)

177 As prophesized by Beach Boys of old:

Christmas comes this time each year.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty

Sounds astrological.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 11, 2022 01:47 PM (FVME7)

178 169 Walter Brennan said getting gassed in the trenches in WW1 was one of the best things that happened to him. Gave him his character voice. Also said getting his teeth busted out by accident in a stunt routine was cool, allowing him to portray people much older. Glass half full guy.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 11, 2022 01:49 PM (lz5hY)

179 Walter Brennan ?
Posted by: JT at December 11, 2022 01:42 PM (T4tVD)

don't fuck around with Grandpa McCoy

he won 3 oscars
Posted by: REDACTED

He shoulda got a 4th for Rio Bravo, IMHP.

Posted by: JT at December 11, 2022 01:49 PM (T4tVD)

180 "The dream of all real conservatives is the dismantling of the hydra of the federal government, but that will never happen."
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I'm beginning to think that my best strategy would be to get in line and hold my hand out.

Posted by: Javems at December 11, 2022 01:49 PM (AmoqO)

181 The late Kirstie Alley took on Yoel Roth before he became infamous...

"I'm just saying, we fly over those states that voted for a racist tangerine for a reason." 11/08/2016

Kirstie Alley @kirstiealley · May 27, 2020
Dear Mr. @yoyoel Saw your comment. I live in one of those FLY OVER states. So did Mark Twain, Amelia Earhart, the Wright Bros, Henry Ford & Thomas Edison to name a few. You ignorant cunt

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 11, 2022 01:50 PM (Vwz3I)

182 John W. Dean@JohnWDean
I am looking for a lawyer/law firm that will file a class action against Musk. For many of us who were here long before he arrived he has ruined Twitter in too many ways to explain in a tweet!

Fill dean under: " Last person I'd pick to in a fox hole with"

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 11, 2022 01:50 PM (dO/0d)

183 The Afghans need that money to buy the armaments we are sending to Ukraine on the black market.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at December 11, 2022 01:50 PM (LI2tq)

184 10% of that grift money is $38,021,987.90. Thank about it, fjb just fcuked America out of that amount.

Posted by: Eromero at December 11, 2022 01:50 PM (0OP+5)

185 Dave in Fla - love your work. But SCOTUS has been pretty clear by their actions that this kind of thing is a law enforcement issue and not a judicial one. Correctly I think. The courts are not going to take on the task of monitoring elections. Fixing this is a job for Legislatures and AG's and Sheriff s and detectives. Just like with the Mob.

Posted by: Thesokorus at December 11, 2022 01:50 PM (1ais2)

186 Elon Musk@elonmusk
My pronouns are Prosecute/Fauci

This fvking guy.

John Brennan replies with his measly 35k followers, Elon has 120MM

Posted by: kallisto at December 11, 2022 01:51 PM (ffjiB)

187 Imagine telling someone in 2008 or even 2020 that we would be defeated by the Taliban, give them billions in military equipment AND pay them reparations (that is what this is) for years after...
Posted by: 18-1

This has been going on since before the hostages in 79. I don't understand. It's crazy.

Posted by: Infidel at December 11, 2022 01:51 PM (ZEa+g)

188 For many of us who were here long before he arrived

lol OK Watergate boy

Posted by: kallisto at December 11, 2022 01:52 PM (ffjiB)

189 Germany’s Scholz: Strong Immigration May Secure Boost of Population to 90 Million

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What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 11, 2022 01:53 PM (FVME7)

190 And fjb don't know a mullah from a mullet. That mullah payroll is a leftover ubama thang.

Posted by: Eromero at December 11, 2022 01:53 PM (0OP+5)

191 Imagine telling someone in 2008 or even 2020 that we would be defeated by the Taliban, give them billions in military equipment AND pay them reparations (that is what this is) for years after...

Posted by: 18-1

And that is from the quality candidates that got elected from the GOP.

Just imagine how much worse it would be if somehow the low quality candidates had gotten elected!

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at December 11, 2022 01:54 PM (LI2tq)

192 Capitalists will sell us the rope to hang them. But first, they will give us the money to buy the rope.

Posted by: Lenin's Book of Quotes, Vol. 2 at December 11, 2022 01:55 PM (SmFPm)

193 186 Elon Musk@elonmusk
My pronouns are Prosecute/Fauci

This fvking guy.
-----------------------------------

Fauci found today
drowned in a pool of logic
America smiles

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at December 11, 2022 01:55 PM (Q3Fh/)

194 ~~Winter~~ Christmas is coming.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 11, 2022 01:55 PM (Vwz3I)

195 Here;s the meme Elon tweeted just prior to declaring his new pronouns:

https://tinyurl.com/pfhb4y9k

Posted by: kallisto at December 11, 2022 01:55 PM (ffjiB)

196 Diane Wiest has won 2 oscars
Hilary Swank has won 2 oscars

Barbara Stanwyck won 0
Irene Dunne won 0
Deb Kerr won 0
Cary Grant won 0

they had one job to do

Posted by: REDACTED at December 11, 2022 01:56 PM (us2H3)

197 There is this character out there; Scott Galloway. I have never seen him smile, grin, smirk or even be somewhat amused. He has a real hard-on for Musk and his Twitter buy, and rebuild. Now I understand why he is so glum. The lies and graft that went on there is now being exposed.
This is a real news story that the MSM shielded for years.

Posted by: Redenzo at December 11, 2022 01:57 PM (E7vND)

198 I don't even know what this means but it's funny:

https://tinyurl.com/5n6vvjux

Posted by: kallisto at December 11, 2022 01:58 PM (ffjiB)

199 186 John Brennan replies with his measly 35k followers, Elon has 120MM
Posted by: kallisto at December 11, 2022 01:51 PM (ffjiB)

Also keep in mind that around 100 million of those are liberal/libertarian Star Trek nerds who came for the spaceships (tee hee) and electric cars. That's why all of this is bigger than some give it credit for...it has the potential to become a mass red pill event like Gamergate precisely because it involves a bunch of non-aligned people getting their first time on the receiving end of the gov/MSM sleaze cannon.

Posted by: CppThis at December 11, 2022 02:00 PM (UewuT)

200 before they make him speaker, they should require Kevin to make a vid, stating all the stuff he claims he's gonna do

and Luntz can't be involved

Posted by: REDACTED at December 11, 2022 02:00 PM (us2H3)

201 https://tinyurl.com/5yrkx7nw
Emerald Robinson the Right Way on Kari's court document

Posted by: Skip at December 11, 2022 02:01 PM (xhxe8)

202 3,802,198,798 / 332,403,650 = 11.4384989

11.43$ per US citizen to keep US goats safe.
Might be a bargain.

Posted by: DaveA at December 11, 2022 02:01 PM (FhXTo)

203 John Wayne wknd. Hatari just came on.

Posted by: Infidel at December 11, 2022 02:02 PM (ZEa+g)

204 Rhomboid - There are MANY issues, any one of which, the remedy per Arizona law an precedent is a new election or outright declaring Lake the winner (there is precedent for that remedy and it is one she asks for).

1) Witness accounts of 20K+ signature matches being invalidated every day, only to have 19K+ of those approved for counting over night by level 2 and 3 supervisors with no accounting or oversight. This is 100s of thousands of ballots that should not have been counted.

2) 25K votes entered the system after election day for which there is no chain of custody at all.

3) Election day problems were NOT resovled in an hour, that is a flat out lie, and some polling locations continued have problems all day. Statistical proof that this turned away minimum 30K voters.

4) Drawer 3 ballots were purposely mixed with tabulated ballots for transport to counting center.

(cont)

Posted by: Dave in Fla (there is no path to 270) at December 11, 2022 02:02 PM (5p7BC)

205 I left my lower barn doors open with my plow truck sticking out

that should scare the snow a lil bit

Posted by: REDACTED at December 11, 2022 02:02 PM (us2H3)

206 Kallisto yes it was

Posted by: Skip at December 11, 2022 02:03 PM (xhxe8)

207 First World Nood

Posted by: CppThis at December 11, 2022 02:03 PM (UewuT)

208 (cont)

5) New ballots printed by the vendor with no chain of custody.

6) 3rd party vote curing and counting was occurring was being done with no observers.

7) 3rd party vendor was told they could include votes by friends and family into the batches without chain of custody.

I might need to do a post on this. Any one of these issues in a black district would result in a new election.

She is also suing directly at the AZ Supreme Court level to avoid the corrupt judge issue. She cites one of the problems where Maricopa destroyed evidence in the last lawsuit in defiance of that court's direct order.

It's a really solid case from my non-lawyer reading.

Posted by: Dave in Fla (there is no path to 270) at December 11, 2022 02:05 PM (5p7BC)

209 Dave in Fla - love your work. But SCOTUS has been pretty clear by their actions that this kind of thing is a law enforcement issue and not a judicial one. Correctly I think. The courts are not going to take on the task of monitoring elections. Fixing this is a job for Legislatures and AG's and Sheriff s and detectives. Just like with the Mob.
Posted by: Thesokorus
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Wrong. Bush v Gore is quoted in the suit along with many SCOTUS and Arizona precedents.

Posted by: Dave in Fla (there is no path to 270) at December 11, 2022 02:09 PM (5p7BC)

210 Strikes me that the machines were manipulated in mass quality to fail.
As a article some weeks ago, voting machines are in reality subbed out to private companies who make them to count votes and not controlled by any government agency

Posted by: Skip at December 11, 2022 02:10 PM (xhxe8)

211 Just imagine how much worse it would be if somehow the low quality candidates had gotten elected!

I've come to think we'd have been better off electing ManBearPig in 2000.

Shrub minimized Clinton's role in 9/11 and since he was an R LIVs figured there wasn't much to it.

Imagine if on 9/11 Gore is president and gets some commando raid (which his staffers said he was going to do) annihilated in 'Stan and endless terror attacks for the next 2 years. People might have been ready for actual change, instead of Shrub, in 2004 - the FRED perhaps?

Posted by: 18-1 at December 11, 2022 02:11 PM (lc5cP)

212 84 If Donald Trump had recognized the need to do what Musk is doing, he would still be President. Purge and discredit, purge a d discredit, never stop until all enemies are gone. Never allow yourself to think you have won until all enemies are no more.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 11, 2022 12:53 PM
Tom Servo Johnson is right!

Posted by: Eromero at December 11, 2022 02:12 PM (0OP+5)

213 200 before they make him speaker, they should require Kevin to make a vid, stating all the stuff he claims he's gonna do

and Luntz can't be involved
Posted by: REDACTED
---------------------------------

Ava Gardner

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at December 11, 2022 02:13 PM (Q3Fh/)

214 Skip - Forgot that one, there is expert testimony included from someone who does cyber security for voting machines, including the ones used here, that is is impossible to have widespread problems without intentional interference.

Posted by: Dave in Fla (there is no path to 270) at December 11, 2022 02:15 PM (5p7BC)

215 Thanks Dave! Have perused parts of the lawsuit and agree that it's dynamite (i.e., that the underlying facts are dynamite).

I imagine a similar suit for Clark County NV in 2020 would have been spectacular in a similar way. The modalities of potential fraud varied in WI, MI, PA, and GA, but they were there in all of them.

Hard to believe AZ courts will do their job, though. Possible. One comforting consideration the fearful AZ judiciary might keep in mind is that even though examining the merits of Lake's suit will be a spectacular confirmation of fraudulent insecure election process, America is mostly politically passive and dead, there is no press, and the GOP has no interest in addressing the issue.

So they could rule in a normal and legitimate fashion without fear of, you know, being adults and making waves where needed. This fear being a big part of why the judiciary has refused, generally, to help clean up election fraud.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 11, 2022 02:15 PM (OTzUX)

216 And just like that >|

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at December 11, 2022 02:19 PM (Q3Fh/)

217 It's a really solid case from my non-lawyer reading.

And every court so far has refused to get involved.

Everyone knows they stole the AZ race but...much like the county officials who certified it because "they told me I'd be arrested for a class 6 felony!" no one wants to take a stand...

Posted by: 18-1 at December 11, 2022 02:20 PM (lc5cP)

218 Agree that is the risk. No doubt the courts will want this lawsuit to go away, but Hamedeah and Finchem will also be suing. And Masters ought to sue based on the signature match crap (doubt he will though).

This is going to be hard sweep under the rug because it is very public in Arizona, and Lake is going to present her evidence regardless, whether in court or directly to the public. The court she went to is the one who Maricopa thumbed their noses at in 2021 when they destroyed supeonaed evidence.

Not allowing a trial could be a bigger risk to the courts, but we shall see.

Posted by: Dave in Fla (there is no path to 270) at December 11, 2022 02:21 PM (5p7BC)

219 And no matter how many incredibly lame and transparently invalid arguments are raised in defense of *any* electronics involved in the election process (including here, some times), there is no getting around that paper ballots, and manual or mechanical tabulation, are required elements of any system meriting trust. Even states like FL and OH that have substantially cleaned up their systems should revert to zero electronics. It's an utterly superfluous thing whose downsides completely negate its trivial advantages.

The issue of voting "season" vs. voting day is another key element, of course. But everyone has already surrendered on that, so.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 11, 2022 02:22 PM (OTzUX)

220 My first book on the Election The Deep Rig was largely on machines being manipulated for vote count tampering

Posted by: Skip at December 11, 2022 02:24 PM (xhxe8)

221 Election day in Arizona machines went down simultaneously in many locations.

Posted by: Skip at December 11, 2022 02:26 PM (xhxe8)

222 It is amazing how we went from "Diebold stole the election!" to "anyone that ever questions an election is a NAZI."

Posted by: 18-1 at December 11, 2022 02:29 PM (lc5cP)

223 Anyone conservative is labeled ultra right and discredited by the media.

Posted by: ploome at December 11, 2022 02:38 PM (pT/yi)

224 You might as well advocate for a restoration of Victorian sexual mores.
____________

No need. That will happen as a matter of course, once enough of the population becomes disgusted with the current licentiousness, and/or another crappy disease breaks out and spreads like wildfire.

It's an age-old pattern: pathological licentiousness alternating with pathological primness on a multi-generational timescale. Do you think Victorian sexual mores had obtained during, e.g., the Renaissance?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 11, 2022 02:53 PM (YqDXo)

225 Definitely willowed, but just came to the thread. Arizona may be a unique case because they have a history, early in statehood, of a governor suing and the election being overturned. He was actually the incumbent and the challenger took office while the lawsuit was going on, but after the courts ruled in his favor, he took office and finished out the term. So there is Arizona precedent for this sort of thing.

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