And Weirddave Saw The ONT That He Had Made, And, Behold, It Was Very Good

Hi Horde. Friday night meme time. Before we get to that, I want to share this:

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The painting is called Union Bank Robbery by Earl Norem. I like it, and I'm impressed how well the cops are doing with just their revolvers. They are wayyyy outgunned.

Good Gag


Covid news

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Do you think Flash is worried about the guillotine.....or the size of the hole?

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Girls on Instagram be like

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Around the world, part I


Who else has a mom like this?

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Spacing, please

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MCU/WWII crossover

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Fido Friday


Stand your ground

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Slippery slope?

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Some days I can relate

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Ooooh, what a lucky man, he was


Sad Stalin

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When you wrong someone, you should apologize and promise not to repeat the offense

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Waiting for this in the US. Waiting....waiting...

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Around the world: Part II

Anyone speak Commie? I wonder what they're saying.

Nom Nom Nom

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Tonight's ONT has been brought to you by Karen:

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Posted by: WeirdDave at 10:00 PM




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1 balderdash

Posted by: Braenyard at January 14, 2022 10:00 PM (N6bh0)

2 Arf!

Posted by: Sandy at January 14, 2022 10:00 PM (VxC1e)

3 Bam!

Posted by: mot at January 14, 2022 10:00 PM (FmeBQ)

4 aha.

Posted by: Pastor Charles the Simple at January 14, 2022 10:01 PM (F4SR5)

5 Spreads my Covid cooties all over the Ont....

Posted by: lin-duh at January 14, 2022 10:01 PM (UUBmN)

6 1

Posted by: Muchas buchas at January 14, 2022 10:01 PM (ZrnmN)

7 Yes, WDONT!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar-Our Beloved Leaders Have, and Deserve, Their Special Privileges at January 14, 2022 10:01 PM (hOUT3)

8 gibberish

Posted by: Braenyard at January 14, 2022 10:01 PM (N6bh0)

9 Revolvers rule!

Posted by: OrangeEnt at January 14, 2022 10:01 PM (7bRMQ)

10 good evening

Posted by: wing at January 14, 2022 10:01 PM (PlW9M)

11 It IS very good! Thank you, WD sir!

Posted by: Appycay at January 14, 2022 10:02 PM (zGcp1)

12 What's Mickey Mouse doing robbing a bank?

Good evening everyone. Thanks for the content WeirdDave!

Posted by: Tonypete at January 14, 2022 10:02 PM (mD/uy)

13 2 Arf!
Posted by: Sandy at January 14, 2022 10:00 PM (VxC1e)


I got my eye on you, dog!

Posted by: Conor at January 14, 2022 10:02 PM (hOUT3)

14 The painting is called Union Bank Robbery by Earl Norem. I like it, and I'm impressed how well the cops are doing with just their revolvers. They are wayyyy outgunned.


The bad guys can't see with those masks.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 14, 2022 10:02 PM (yQpMk)

15
Five hundred fifty million years of biological progress on this world... and the greatest country in history has Lasko Brandon as the President.

But that's neither hair nor they're.

💥

Pizza's ready and the ONT is up. Life can be good, after all.

Posted by: mindful webworker - for no particular reason at January 14, 2022 10:02 PM (eg609)

16 Nice to see that Anime Boy stood up for something important, like that stupid ghey shirt he's got on.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at January 14, 2022 10:03 PM (VxC1e)

17 Revolvers rule!
Posted by: OrangeEnt at January 14, 2022 10:01 PM (7bRMQ)


True, for five or six times, then...

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar - Our Beloved Leaders Have, and Deserve, Their Special Privileges at January 14, 2022 10:03 PM (hOUT3)

18 It's a big ONT, and I will now peruse. I have lots of guns, but I do not get much range time and I'm not a great shot.

Posted by: Garth Stonehocker at January 14, 2022 10:04 PM (gWAUD)

19 Eloy - Metromania

https://youtu.be/YUtve4HPNJo

Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at January 14, 2022 10:05 PM (SH2Zi)

20 Howdy Weird Dave!

Posted by: Doof at January 14, 2022 10:05 PM (mZUr4)

21 I have lots of guns, but I do not get much range time and I'm not a great shot.
Posted by: Garth Stonehocker at January 14, 2022 10:04 PM (gWAUD)

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What you really need is a canoe.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at January 14, 2022 10:07 PM (VxC1e)

22 Fuckin' Hitler beat me to the punch. Hitler is asshoe.

Posted by: Zombie Stalin at January 14, 2022 10:07 PM (tMeC9)

23 True, for five or six times, then...

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar - Our Beloved Leaders Have, and Deserve, Their Special Privileges at January 14, 2022 10:03 PM (hOUT3)

If you need to shoot more than that, you're in the wrong place....

Posted by: OrangeEnt at January 14, 2022 10:08 PM (7bRMQ)

24 Evening, Horde...How goes it?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 14, 2022 10:08 PM (K5n5d)

25 What's Mickey Mouse doing robbing a bank?

Good evening everyone. Thanks for the content WeirdDave!
Posted by: Tonypete


Go woke, get your mascots slaughtered in a bank robbery gone bad.

Posted by: Some Rat at January 14, 2022 10:08 PM (r1z5A)

26 This Norem fellow was great:

https://tinyurl.com/Norem-Archive

Posted by: Sharkman at January 14, 2022 10:09 PM (8gxrg)

27 Thanks to whoever linked to Eloy. I am listening to the album Ocean.

https://youtu.be/KI8b6GQ5C80

Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 14, 2022 10:09 PM (ybIRR)

28 The cops are doing OK with the revolvers, but not for long if they stand in front of the cruiser's doors and not behind them.

They need to watch the bank robbery scene from "Heat"

Posted by: kbdabear at January 14, 2022 10:09 PM (qAR6u)

29 Why are those cops not behind the car doors for cover?

Posted by: davidt at January 14, 2022 10:09 PM (tMeC9)

30 Fuckin' Hitler beat me to the punch. Hitler is asshoe.
Posted by: Zombie Stalin at January 14, 2022 10:07 PM (tMeC9)

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Funny thing is, there used to be four other Politburo members in that pic.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at January 14, 2022 10:10 PM (VxC1e)

31 The "seasonal flu" kills 30-80k people a year. Not "with" but from the flu.

If COVID really only killed 50k people in two years, not only it is "just the flu" its a slightly weaker then average one.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 14, 2022 10:10 PM (ESjRY)

32 Casual Friday ONT Compliance Pics

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/media

*scroll down

Posted by: kbdabear at January 14, 2022 10:10 PM (qAR6u)

33 Popeye took one for the team. No more spinach for Popete.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at January 14, 2022 10:10 PM (VxC1e)

34 Stalin is all like, Hitler promised he'd pull out before...

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes at January 14, 2022 10:11 PM (Dc2NZ)

35 12 What's Mickey Mouse doing robbing a bank?

Good evening everyone. Thanks for the content WeirdDave!
Posted by: Tonypete at January 14, 2022 10:02 PM (mD/uy)

With the cruise line industry shut down and a lot of their woke products failing...well, got to convince the investors they are making money somewhere as unlike the US govt they can't just print their own.

Posted by: Bete at January 14, 2022 10:12 PM (Ojki1)

36 Thanks WD, your ONTs always male me LOL

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 14, 2022 10:12 PM (lCui1)

37 If you need 7 dudes to rob a small town bank, you're doing it wrong.

Posted by: Sharkman at January 14, 2022 10:12 PM (8gxrg)

38 Anyone speak Commie? I wonder what they're saying.

Viaduct, duh ...

Posted by: Groucho Marx at January 14, 2022 10:12 PM (okV1R)

39 So the kid's shirt has two anime cat girls making out?

Well, stupid, but less stupid then wearing a dress.

Also, good thing our ancestors aren't alive to see this stupid of a time.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 14, 2022 10:12 PM (ESjRY)

40 34 Stalin is all like, Hitler promised he'd pull out before...
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes at January 14, 2022 10:11 PM (Dc2NZ)

Really, the Czechleslovakia is in the mail!

Posted by: Adolf at January 14, 2022 10:13 PM (oHd/0)

41 Why was popeye robbing a bank?

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at January 14, 2022 10:13 PM (LasAT)

42 If you need 7 dudes to rob a small town bank, you're doing it wrong.
Posted by: Sharkman at January 14, 2022 10:12 PM (8gxrg)


Boyd Crowder always took care of business with 2 or 3 dudes

Posted by: Doof at January 14, 2022 10:13 PM (mZUr4)

43 17 Revolvers rule!
Posted by: OrangeEnt at January 14, 2022 10:01 PM (7bRMQ)

True, for five or six times, then...

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar - Our Beloved Leaders Have, and Deserve, Their Special Privileges at January 14, 2022 10:03 PM (hOUT3)

You know what that means. You're shit outta luck

Posted by: Harry Callahan at January 14, 2022 10:13 PM (qAR6u)

44 That Russia video - I've seen Picasso paintings that made more sense than that.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 14, 2022 10:14 PM (evAgx)

45 Thanks to whoever linked to Eloy. I am listening to the album Ocean.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 14, 2022 10:09 PM (ybIRR)

Metromania and Time to Turn are Great.

Through a Somber Galaxy

https://youtu.be/MxiwvGiP-do


I'll have to try Ocean.

Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at January 14, 2022 10:14 PM (SH2Zi)

46 I mean, Donald and Mickey I get...

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at January 14, 2022 10:14 PM (LasAT)

47 The "seasonal flu" kills 30-80k people a year. Not "with" but from the flu.

If COVID really only killed 50k people in two years, not only it is "just the flu" its a slightly weaker then average one.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 14, 2022 10:10 PM (ESjRY)

Its why the 2020 total death numbers are STILL hidden on the CDC website.

Will be interesting to see what they do with 2021s numbers.

Posted by: Adolf at January 14, 2022 10:14 PM (oHd/0)

48 If you need 7 dudes to rob a small town bank, you're doing it wrong.
Posted by: Sharkman at January 14, 2022 10:12 PM (8gxrg)

Isn't that how the big roving gangs in the depression worked? Dillinger, Bonnie and Clyde, etc? A group of cars packed with thugs descending on little towns here or there on a rampage with overwhelming force

Posted by: Oldcat at January 14, 2022 10:14 PM (eoQWY)

49 Sad Stalin, a few minutes ago was handwaving that Steinekov will come.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 14, 2022 10:14 PM (ybIRR)

50 Got my Comorbidity vax today. Things are looking up!

Posted by: klaftern at January 14, 2022 10:15 PM (taPSh)

51 That Russian clip is very Dada.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes at January 14, 2022 10:15 PM (Dc2NZ)

52 You never see Scrooge McDuck robbing a bank.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 14, 2022 10:15 PM (yQpMk)

53 Why was popeye robbing a bank?
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at January 14, 2022 10:13 PM (LasAT)


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Because that's where they keep all the money.

Posted by: Popeye Sutton at January 14, 2022 10:15 PM (VxC1e)

54 41 Why was popeye robbing a bank?
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at January 14, 2022 10:13 PM (LasAT)

Oil prices are up!

Posted by: Popeye at January 14, 2022 10:15 PM (oHd/0)

55 21 I have lots of guns, but I do not get much range time and I'm not a great shot.
Posted by: Garth Stonehocker at January 14, 2022 10:04 PM (gWAUD)

I'm a good shot with a shotgun. At about 20 feet.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 14, 2022 10:15 PM (evAgx)

56 Epic ONT, Weird Dave. Thank you.

Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at January 14, 2022 10:15 PM (SH2Zi)

57 The bank heist picture is way cool, but I think its a fairly recent effort by a modern illustrator. The red car looks like mid-'60's, and the cop car is maybe '56 at the latest, yet it has bearclaw door latches like a modern auto. Should have a rotary door latch.

And I doubt that low-level hoods would have had Tommy guns in the '50's or '60's.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 14, 2022 10:16 PM (P3gRi)

58 46 I mean, Donald and Mickey I get...
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at January 14, 2022 10:14 PM (LasAT)

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Yep. Did you see the box office on The Eternals?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at January 14, 2022 10:16 PM (VxC1e)

59 Isn't that how the big roving gangs in the depression worked? Dillinger, Bonnie and Clyde, etc? A group of cars packed with thugs descending on little towns here or there on a rampage with overwhelming force
Posted by: Oldcat



Basically going a-viking

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 14, 2022 10:16 PM (lCui1)

60 Also, good thing our ancestors aren't alive to see this stupid of a time.
Posted by: 18-1


I know, right ...

Posted by: Rich Gentlemen Soaking their Legs in Icewater to get Their Boots On ... at January 14, 2022 10:16 PM (okV1R)

61 40 34 Stalin is all like, Hitler promised he'd pull out before...
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes at January 14, 2022 10:11 PM (Dc2NZ)

Really, the Czechleslovakia is in the mail!
Posted by: Adolf at January 14, 2022 10:13 PM (oHd/0)


I'm still into you, baby! I just need more lebensraum.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes at January 14, 2022 10:16 PM (Dc2NZ)

62 When are the Behizy COVID tweets from? There isn't a link to them and I don't see them in his timeline

Posted by: 18-1 at January 14, 2022 10:17 PM (ESjRY)

63 I'm going to sue Braenyard for stealing "First!" from me.

Posted by: Karen McKarenface at January 14, 2022 10:17 PM (F6Xpw)

64 37 If you need 7 dudes to rob a small town bank, you're doing it wrong.
Posted by: Sharkman at January 14, 2022 10:12 PM (8gxrg)

Ya hear that, hayseeds? We're talkin' in code!

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at January 14, 2022 10:18 PM (rF64X)

65 Stalin had better watch his steppes.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at January 14, 2022 10:18 PM (VxC1e)

66 If you need 7 dudes to rob a small town bank, you're doing it wrong.
Posted by: Sharkman at January 14, 2022 10:12 PM (8gxrg)

There's already 5 of them down with just two cops with revolvers and no backup. They needed more than 7 dudes

Posted by: kbdabear at January 14, 2022 10:18 PM (qAR6u)

67 I think we or my in-laws have the Richard Scarry book with Squish Cat in it. I remember laughing when I was reading it to Pookette for the first time.

Posted by: pookysgirl, defeating Omnicron with a sinus infection at January 14, 2022 10:18 PM (XKZwp)

68 What did he mean if I'm not there, start without me?

Posted by: Josef Stalin at January 14, 2022 10:18 PM (Ti+Tv)

69 I think we or my in-laws have the Richard Scarry book with Squish Cat in it. I remember laughing when I was reading it to Pookette for the first time.
Posted by: pookysgirl, defeating Omnicron with a sinus infection at January 14, 2022 10:18 PM (XKZwp)

I remember it from when I was a kid, which is scary indeed.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 14, 2022 10:19 PM (eoQWY)

70 If yuri cat girl shirts are wrong, then I don't want to be right.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at January 14, 2022 10:19 PM (rF64X)

71 Its why the 2020 total death numbers are STILL hidden on the CDC website.
Will be interesting to see what they do with 2021s numbers.
Posted by: Adolf at January 14, 2022 10:14 PM (oHd/0)


If you really needed raw data, comrade, we would, of course, provide it, but the risk is that you might misuse your limited analytical powers and try to foist dezinformatsiya upon a naive and unsuspecting public!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar - Our Beloved Leaders Have, and Deserve, Their Special Privileges at January 14, 2022 10:20 PM (hOUT3)

72 Flash worried about the size of the hole cracks me up!

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 14, 2022 10:20 PM (evAgx)

73 Stalin's just pissed that Hitler beat him to the punch by 2 weeks. I've recently been convinced by reading several books by Viktor Suvorov that the reason the Germans were able to surround and capture 5 million Russians in the first couple of months of Barbarossa and destroy the Soviet air force on the ground in the first few days was because Stalin was going to invade Europe on July 5, 1941. Well, that and meth, MG42 and 88 Flak.

Fortunately, Hitler was quicker. Otherwise, all of Europe might have fallen to the Commies in 1941-42.

Posted by: Sharkman at January 14, 2022 10:20 PM (8gxrg)

74 Thanks for the ONT.

Caption Stalin's photo.

'Well... fuck.'

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 14, 2022 10:20 PM (dNqv+)

75 "Damn. And that Ribbentrop fella seemed so sincere."

Posted by: Josef Stalin at January 14, 2022 10:20 PM (VxC1e)

76 Nothing more American than big tiddie anime cat girls.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 14, 2022 10:21 PM (ybIRR)

77 73 Stalin's just pissed that Hitler beat him to the punch by 2 weeks

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beat him to the putsch

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 14, 2022 10:21 PM (lCui1)

78 The monkey in the space station made me laugh. Dude was flying fast.

Posted by: Javems at January 14, 2022 10:21 PM (AmoqO)

79 14 The painting is called Union Bank Robbery by Earl Norem. I like it, and I'm impressed how well the cops are doing with just their revolvers. They are wayyyy outgunned.


The bad guys can't see with those masks.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 14, 2022 10:02 PM (yQpMk)


I interpreted the painting differently. In my view that really is Goofy and Mickey Mouse robbing a bank. The painter is making a statement about those f**kers at Disney.

Posted by: nerdygirl at January 14, 2022 10:21 PM (+lVUW)

80 Earl Norem has a painting called Motorcycle.

NSFW but is awesome

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 14, 2022 10:21 PM (3q554)

81 68 What did he mean if I'm not there, start without me?
Posted by: Josef Stalin at January 14, 2022 10:18 PM (Ti+Tv)

Yer procrastinating... yer just Stalin...

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 14, 2022 10:21 PM (oHd/0)

82 When the cops grabbed Flash, did he say "Hey, not so fast!"

Posted by: Tonypete at January 14, 2022 10:21 PM (mD/uy)

83 54 41 Why was popeye robbing a bank?
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at January 14, 2022 10:13 PM (LasAT)
Oil prices are up!
Posted by: Popeye at January 14, 2022 10:15 PM (oHd/0)


And have you seen the price of spinach lately?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar - Our Beloved Leaders Have, and Deserve, Their Special Privileges at January 14, 2022 10:22 PM (hOUT3)

84 Eloy - Time to Turn

https://youtu.be/AdUianylWuo

Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at January 14, 2022 10:22 PM (SH2Zi)

85 Sorry, name of painting is Motorcycle Mama.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 14, 2022 10:23 PM (3q554)

86 Sad Stalin, a few minutes ago was handwaving that Steinekov will come.

Stalin suffered a nervous breakdown for several days after the invasion. During that period, a delegation from the Politburo went to his place, and Stalin apparently thought that they were there to arrest him.

He pulled himself together, and on July 3rd delivered the "Brothers and Sisters" speech nationwide on the radio, calling on the Soviet people to resist the Germans.

https://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=hSTQ7HTHMvo

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 14, 2022 10:23 PM (I2/tG)

87 Nothing more American than big tiddie anime cat girls.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 14, 2022 10:21 PM (ybIRR)

Bzzt. Sorry the answer the judges were looking for is "Freedom."

Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at January 14, 2022 10:23 PM (SH2Zi)

88 The bank heist picture is way cool, but I think its a fairly recent effort by a modern illustrator. The red car looks like mid-'60's, and the cop car is maybe '56 at the latest, yet it has bearclaw door latches like a modern auto. Should have a rotary door latch.

And I doubt that low-level hoods would have had Tommy guns in the '50's or '60's.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 14, 2022 10:16 PM (P3gRi)

Dude, put the tools down, watch the frigging movie. lolol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 14, 2022 10:23 PM (VwHCD)

89 That Russia video - I've seen Picasso paintings that made more sense than that.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 14, 2022 10:14 PM (evAgx)

But it made me laugh, and that's what counts!

Posted by: pookysgirl, focusing on the important things at January 14, 2022 10:23 PM (XKZwp)

90 Ok I don't understand the Britain dancing vid. Can anyone explain?

Posted by: Iris at January 14, 2022 10:23 PM (6lKe4)

91 I saw Surf Pack Assassins open for Beach House Tramp at the Omni in '73.

Posted by: Sharkman at January 14, 2022 10:23 PM (8gxrg)

92 Michael Mann had the actors do two weeks of intense street gun fighting by military professionals.

The scene was so realistic that army trainers had their grunts watch this scene. "If actors can reload that quickly, so can you"

An army veteran confirmed to me that the scene was the most realistic movie gunfight ever made.

Posted by: kbdabear at January 14, 2022 10:24 PM (qAR6u)

93 Girls on Instagram be like


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hahahah ... so True


Stalin pic - really ?? He allowed himself to be photographed at that moment ?? There was a photographer, just happened to be in the room when comrade Molotov walked in and said, "Comrade Stalin, we received a disturbing communique.." ?

Posted by: runner at January 14, 2022 10:24 PM (V13WU)

94 Stalin suffered a nervous breakdown for several days after the invasion. During that period, a delegation from the Politburo went to his place, and Stalin apparently thought that they were there to arrest him.
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Interesting thought experiment. What would have happened if he *had* been arrested?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 14, 2022 10:24 PM (K5n5d)

95 I'll bet the woman in red in that bank robbery painting has a GREAT ASSSS!!!

Posted by: Vincent Hanna at January 14, 2022 10:25 PM (qAR6u)

96 Stalin's just pissed that Hitler beat him to the punch by 2 weeks. I've recently been convinced by reading several books by Viktor Suvorov that the reason ...

Fortunately, Hitler was quicker. Otherwise, all of Europe might have fallen to the Commies in 1941-42.
Posted by: Sharkman at January 14, 2022 10:20 PM (8gxrg)

Sorry, don't buy it. Suvarov is better writing about himself and his history in the army and spy services.

The Russians were in the middle of a number of restructurings trying to recover from the purges and learn the lessons of the Finland debacle. Most of their army was deployed near Romania and the Ukraine after gobbling up Bessarabia rather than in the few places where an offensive against Germany would make sense. In a few years, maybe, sure. But not in 1941, and in fact Stalin was desperate not to give the Germans an excuse to start a war, hence part of the reason for the debacle.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 14, 2022 10:26 PM (eoQWY)

97 they were too afraid of him to arrest him, even with him in that state..the fear..like fear of COVID

Posted by: runner at January 14, 2022 10:27 PM (V13WU)

98 It's been pretty much confirmed that the way the Nazis were able to do their blitzkrieg in Poland, France and Russia was everyone was on Meth. It's also a big reason they eventually lost everything they won.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 14, 2022 10:27 PM (3q554)

99 Stalin suffered a nervous breakdown for several days after the invasion. During that period, a delegation from the Politburo went to his place, and Stalin apparently thought that they were there to arrest him.
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Interesting thought experiment. What would have happened if he *had* been arrested?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 14, 2022 10:24 PM (K5n5d)

I think it was at least a month before he made any public appearances.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 14, 2022 10:27 PM (eoQWY)

100 The bank heist picture is way cool, but I think its a fairly recent effort by a modern illustrator. The red car looks like mid-'60's, and the cop car is maybe '56 at the latest, yet it has bearclaw door latches like a modern auto. Should have a rotary door latch.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 14, 2022 10:16 PM (P3gRi)

Closest vehicle the red car resembles is a 1963 Pontiac Tempest

Good choice for a getaway car if it has the 326

Posted by: Vincent Hanna at January 14, 2022 10:29 PM (qAR6u)

101 Interesting thought experiment. What would have happened if he *had* been arrested?

Likely German victory, had there been infighting at the highest levels of the Soviet government as the invasion proceeded.

Stalin was responsive for eviscerating the Soviet high command in the 1938 purges, but once the war started, he wasn't a bad war leader. He had the sense to leave military strategy to his generals, unlike Hitler.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 14, 2022 10:29 PM (I2/tG)

102 It's been pretty much confirmed that the way the Nazis were able to do their blitzkrieg in Poland, France and Russia was everyone was on Meth. It's also a big reason they eventually lost everything they won.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 14, 2022 10:27 PM (3q554)

I think declaring war on every country on earth with more people and production capacity than you had more to do with the eventual loss than Meth.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 14, 2022 10:29 PM (eoQWY)

103 Apparently, Britain breeds midgets.

Posted by: Been Lurking, but clearly been posting too at January 14, 2022 10:30 PM (smVBh)

104 That Russia video - I've seen Picasso paintings that made more sense than that.

Did the duck make it out ok? I won't be able to sleep until I know.

Posted by: Oddbob at January 14, 2022 10:31 PM (nfrXX)

105 I don't think it's a good idea to go too far with the "Covid-only" deaths. There's all the "died-with" cases to keep in mind, and while the virus was certainly only incidental in a lot of them, I'm sure there were also a lot where it was the last straw for people who might otherwise have recovered.

That said, to hell with the CDC and all its pronunciamentos.

Posted by: Dr. T at January 14, 2022 10:31 PM (tp+tP)

106 >>> 102 It's been pretty much confirmed that the way the Nazis were able to do their blitzkrieg in Poland, France and Russia was everyone was on Meth. It's also a big reason they eventually lost everything they won.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 14, 2022 10:27 PM (3q554)

I think declaring war on every country on earth with more people and production capacity than you had more to do with the eventual loss than Meth.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 14, 2022 10:29 PM (eoQWY)

Maybe the meth was why they thought it was a super idea to declare war on every country on earth with more people and production capacity than them?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 14, 2022 10:31 PM (llON8)

107 From what I read from "900 Days" (about the Siege of Leningrad), Stalin ignored reports that the Germans were massing up in Poland because he still thought that Hitler would honor the Non-Aggression Pact

Posted by: kbdabear at January 14, 2022 10:31 PM (qAR6u)

108 I used to draw pretty well when I was a kid. Started out on sea scenes, fish and the like, as I wanted to be a marine biologist. Later moved to sports, football players and basketball players. Couldn't paint as I am color blind. Then I moved on to nudes. Mom made me quit.

Posted by: Javems at January 14, 2022 10:32 PM (AmoqO)

109 Obviously not California cops

Posted by: a dude in MI at January 14, 2022 10:32 PM (+I6Y/)

110 Maybe the meth was why they thought it was a super idea to declare war on every country on earth with more people and production capacity than them?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 14, 2022 10:31 PM (llON

Since Hitler was on meth that snark is pretty close to being correct.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 14, 2022 10:32 PM (3q554)

111 Stalin was responsive for eviscerating the Soviet high command in the 1938 purges, but once the war started, he wasn't a bad war leader. He had the sense to leave military strategy to his generals, unlike Hitler.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 14, 2022 10:29 PM (I2/tG)

Well, yes and no. Stalin had a tight grip at first until the generals showed they could be trusted and could be competent. Then he gave them more space to work in.

Hitler was pretty free early on and the German Generals did plenty of screwups before he started to put the clamps down. Sometimes he was right to do so, sometimes not, but of course he didn't get to write a book after the war blaming his idiot generals.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 14, 2022 10:33 PM (eoQWY)

112 Are the stray dogs eating chicken carcasses? I thought chicken bones are choking hazards for dogs.

Posted by: mot at January 14, 2022 10:33 PM (FmeBQ)

113 Hitler had a personal doctor who would inject him with all sorts of shit

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 14, 2022 10:34 PM (lCui1)

114 So my knowledge of the East Front is largely based on relatively sophisticated tabletop wargames. Wargames suffer from hindsight bias. But the idea that the USSR could have effectively invaded Eastern Europe and Germany in 1941 before Barbarossa seems laughable to me. A more interesting scenario would be USSR invasion before France fell.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at January 14, 2022 10:34 PM (3YVs3)

115 Has anyone heard from OM and how he's doing?

I probably missed any news since I don't get here much lately..

Posted by: Chi-town Jerry at January 14, 2022 10:34 PM (CjFDo)

116 I thought chicken bones are choking hazards for dogs.
Posted by: mot at January 14, 2022 10:33 PM (FmeBQ)

Cooked bones are dangerous.
Raw bones are ok

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 14, 2022 10:35 PM (lCui1)

117 Sorry, don't buy it. Suvarov is better writing about himself and his history in the army and spy services.

The Russians were in the middle of a number of restructurings trying to recover from the purges and learn the lessons of the Finland debacle. Most of their army was deployed near Romania and the Ukraine after gobbling up Bessarabia rather than in the few places where an offensive against Germany would make sense. In a few years, maybe, sure. But not in 1941, and in fact Stalin was desperate not to give the Germans an excuse to start a war, hence part of the reason for the debacle.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 14, 2022 10:26 PM (eoQWY)


I don't buy it either. Vox Day was banging away on that theory all he could a few months ago (give you three guesses why); but based on the reports of the German Foreign Service around the time Barbarossa opened, not to mention front-line units in the Wehrmacht itself, the Soviets intended and hoped for the '39 Pact to endure through at least the next year or two. And let's not forget that Stalin went after those in his own government and spy agencies warning him about Barbarossa in advance.

Posted by: Dr. T at January 14, 2022 10:35 PM (tp+tP)

118 Maybe the meth was why they thought it was a super idea to declare war on every country on earth with more people and production capacity than them?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 14, 2022 10:31 PM (llONKinda

Kinda like current day Russia taking on the EU, which has 4 times the population and 12 times the GDP?

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 14, 2022 10:35 PM (oHd/0)

119 Evening.

The kid in the yuri anime shirt is hilarious.

I'm also now convinced Dave probably has a file folder with a couple of gigs of ahegao images.

Posted by: Robert at January 14, 2022 10:36 PM (S5sZ7)

120 Reposting, 'cuz I want more sympathy:

7 Stupid daughter and SIL have moved the goalposts again. We had made reservations to fly out and see the new grandbaby. They told us today that we would have to take a rapid COVID test when we get off of the plane if we want to see him.

Mind you, I have already gotten a vaccine and a booster - against my will - in order to see this baby, and was told that was good enough.

So the trip has been cancelled.

Hopefully I will get to see my grandson before he graduates college.
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at January 14, 2022 07:43 PM (6+hNa)

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas - AoS Ladies' Brigade Plucky Comic Relief at January 14, 2022 10:36 PM (SRRAx)

121 Stalin ignored reports that the Germans were massing up in Poland because he still thought that Hitler would honor the Non-Aggression Pact

The Germans also ran a very effective dezinformatsiya campaign.

They convinced Stalin that even though it was known that the Wehrmacht was sitting on the Soviet border, that the Germans would issue an ultimatum before invading.

The Germans then invaded without an ultimatum.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 14, 2022 10:36 PM (I2/tG)

122 Hitler had a personal doctor who would inject him with all sorts of shit
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 14, 2022 10:34 PM (lCui1)

---------

Also, fart pills. Now with 20% more strychnine.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at January 14, 2022 10:36 PM (VxC1e)

123 Maybe the meth was why they thought it was a super idea to declare war on every country on earth with more people and production capacity than them?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 14, 2022 10:31 PM (llON




LET'S DO THIS THING!! RARRRR!

Posted by: A. Hitler at January 14, 2022 10:37 PM (yQpMk)

124 Re: Ekstrabladet (or whatever the newspaper is called), at that level, an apology without seppuku is not an apology.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 14, 2022 10:37 PM (KAi1n)

125 113 Hitler had a personal doctor who would inject him with all sorts of shit
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 14, 2022 10:34 PM (lCui1)

Really? No shit!

Posted by: Joe Biden at January 14, 2022 10:37 PM (qAR6u)

126 113 Hitler had a personal doctor who would inject him with all sorts of shit
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 14, 2022 10:34 PM (lCui1)

Sounds familiar.

Posted by: Joe Biduhhh at January 14, 2022 10:37 PM (oHd/0)

127 125 113 Hitler had a personal doctor who would inject him with all sorts of shit
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 14, 2022 10:34 PM (lCui1)

Really? No shit!
Posted by: Joe Biden at January 14, 2022 10:37 PM (qAR6u)

126 113 Hitler had a personal doctor who would inject him with all sorts of shit
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 14, 2022 10:34 PM (lCui1)

Sounds familiar.
Posted by: Joe Biduhhh at January 14, 2022 10:37 PM (oHd/0)

Horde mind...

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 14, 2022 10:37 PM (oHd/0)

128 It doesn't help when you have otherwise compedent MDs that parrot the government covid vaccine hospital overflowing conspiracy theory ivermectin no good death story on YT.

Every day almost a Dr. Vuong is the sky is falling....youall are crazy. Wave after wave.

It's not normal it's not healthy.
It doesn't help.

Posted by: torabora at January 14, 2022 10:38 PM (fbHXO)

129 Flash isn't thinking about the guillotine or the size of the hole, he's in their loop and plotting his way to the beckoning bosom.

Posted by: Braenyard at January 14, 2022 10:38 PM (N6bh0)

130 The chemicals in your brain will beat out your ability to reason logically in most things. But the task of spotting enemies most of all.

This doesn't mean that Ted Cruz isn't a snake.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 14, 2022 10:39 PM (ybIRR)

131 Hopefully I will get to see my grandson before he graduates college.
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at January 14, 2022 07:43 PM (6+hNa


I realize this is covid we're talking about here, but, have you been given a rational reason?

Posted by: Some Rat at January 14, 2022 10:39 PM (r1z5A)

132 I think Stalin was more focused on the periphery countries to conquer and to allow internal communist radicals to conquer Western Europe from within. France was close to being commie after WW2. De Gaulle saved them.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 14, 2022 10:39 PM (3q554)

133 The Germans then invaded without an ultimatum.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 14, 2022 10:36 PM (I2/tG)

Hey, they didn't get my text message?

Posted by: Joachim von Ribbentrop at January 14, 2022 10:39 PM (qAR6u)

134 Flash "But my neck isn't that sm... oh dear God"

Posted by: lurk you longtime at January 14, 2022 10:39 PM (hTWNl)

135 "I've recently been convinced by reading several books by Viktor Suvorov...."

You're *just* now coming to that conclusion? Well, ok, not *everyone* here has been an Eastern Front junkie for years. Stalin planned on another bleed-'em-dry stalemate in France which would take care of England, France, and Germany, and then the Sovs would march on in. The only ones who weren't surprised were Manstein and a few others with whom he worked out the Ardennes plan.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 14, 2022 10:40 PM (KAi1n)

136 So the trip has been cancelled.

Hopefully I will get to see my grandson before he graduates college.
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth

Ugh. I'm so sorry this is happening to you folks. One of my kids was being a similar type asshoe but loosened up over time. Hopefully, that will be your experience too Teresa.

Posted by: Tonypete at January 14, 2022 10:40 PM (mD/uy)

137 Eloy - End of an Odyssey

https://youtu.be/2K_TtXWPScw

Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at January 14, 2022 10:40 PM (SH2Zi)

138 France was close to being commie after WW2.

Don't forget us!

Posted by: Italy! at January 14, 2022 10:40 PM (I2/tG)

139 Maybe the meth was why they thought it was a super idea to declare war on every country on earth with more people and production capacity than them?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 14, 2022 10:31 PM (llON


Eh. I'm not well versed in Nazi drug use and all that, but I think it's more that Hitler had fallen for his own propaganda. And to be fair, it's hard to blame him: he had beaten and conquered France in six weeks flat, and no one who had been on the Western Front in WWI expected that to happen. And he was actively involved in the planning of the campaign, overriding his generals on a lot of particular points and getting away with it. I pointed out to some of my students once that after 1940, less egotistical heads than his would have been turned by all this success. Given Hitler's beliefs and how things stood in June 1941, I don't think it was utterly unreasonable of him to believe he could take on the Soviets and win.

Posted by: Dr. T at January 14, 2022 10:40 PM (tp+tP)

140 Remember Hitler invaded after he and Stalin had gobbled up Poland between them. Stalin knew who his adversary was.

Posted by: torabora at January 14, 2022 10:41 PM (fbHXO)

141 Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas - AoS Ladies' Brigade Plucky Comic Relief at January 14, 2022 10:36 PM (SRRAx)


Damn. I am sorry. Your daughter and SIL are shameful.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at January 14, 2022 10:41 PM (YglAn)

142 97
They were afraid and they had no idea what to do other than wait for orders from Stalin. They were that conditioned.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 14, 2022 10:41 PM (roH4R)

143 Invading without an ultimatum is tight !

Posted by: runner at January 14, 2022 10:41 PM (V13WU)

144 Kinda like current day Russia taking on the EU, which has 4 times the population and 12 times the GDP?
Posted by: Romeo13

Certainly you've seen pics of the EU's defense ministers.... Not exactly confidence inspiring.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 14, 2022 10:42 PM (KAi1n)

145 Kinda like current day Russia taking on the EU, which has 4 times the population and 12 times the GDP?
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 14, 2022 10:35 PM (oHd/0)

Different scenario. Europe has no courage, no principles, no will to power, not even a will to live. Like us, Europe will be plucked by someone, and Russia may well be it.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 14, 2022 10:42 PM (hQ23g)

146 Back when The History Channel was all Hitler All The Time, they had a schlockumentary called "High Hitler" about Adolf's quack Dr. Feelgut, Dr. Theodor Morell. Dr. Ted would give him "vitamins" that were meth.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes at January 14, 2022 10:42 PM (Dc2NZ)

147 In regards to my comment above, it's my SIL who is driving all of this. He likes us just fine, he's just anal-retentive about some things.

He is concerned that we will Cath the roof from all of the people we come into contact with in FTW. I NEVER go anywhere - I have Myasthenia Gravis, so my mobility is limited. I'm not getting the good unless hubby or daughters bring it home. Besides, SIL and daughter are out in public all the time -

If I catch it on the plane, it won't show up for a few days.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas - AoS Ladies' Brigade Plucky Comic Relief at January 14, 2022 10:42 PM (SRRAx)

148 Bawahh.......

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 14, 2022 10:42 PM (aA3+G)

149 The Germans then invaded without an ultimatum.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 14, 2022 10:36 PM (I2/tG)

Now, you see it's just decent to give the enemy a heads-up that you're going to attack at sunrise

Posted by: Gen. Milley at January 14, 2022 10:43 PM (qAR6u)

150 Certainly you've seen pics of the EU's defense ministers.... Not exactly confidence inspiring.
Posted by: SFGoth at January 14, 2022 10:42 PM (KAi1n)

Yeah, seen pictures of ours as well.

West is pretty boned.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 14, 2022 10:43 PM (oHd/0)

151 >>> 144 Kinda like current day Russia taking on the EU, which has 4 times the population and 12 times the GDP?
Posted by: Romeo13

Certainly you've seen pics of the EU's defense ministers.... Not exactly confidence inspiring.
Posted by: SFGoth at January 14, 2022 10:42 PM (KAi1n)

Good point.

WW II France might be able to take over the current EU...

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 14, 2022 10:43 PM (llON8)

152 That painting...

What Disney thought they could do to Star Wars fans and their bank accounts for the 45 hour stay at the Star Cruiser hotel.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 14, 2022 10:43 PM (1s9Ej)

153 I am sorry that the paranoia has taken over your daughter and SiL, TiFW. I hope they find their way to sanity.

Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at January 14, 2022 10:44 PM (SH2Zi)

154 France was close to being commie after WW2.

The CIA went to great lengths to encourage the development of non-Communist socialist parties in Western Europe in the immediate post-war.

They figured that Western Europe was going to have powerful leftist parties, given its history - they just wanted to make sure that those parties weren't all Communist.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 14, 2022 10:44 PM (I2/tG)

155 If COVID really only killed 50k people in two years, not only it is "just the flu" its a slightly weaker then average one.

Posted by: 18-1



In April of 2020 I was reading the CDC stats daily and that was my conclusion. CoVid19 is less virulent and deadly than the seasonal flu.

Posted by: Sharkman at January 14, 2022 10:44 PM (8gxrg)

156 Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas - AoS Ladies' Brigade Plucky Comic Relief at January 14, 2022 10:36 PM (SRRAx)

So I'm sure there are real issues at work here that 1. have nothing to do with the commie flu and 2. probably aren't anyone's bidness but, maybe I'm just being a fucking idiot, but have you considered telling the daughter and SIL that if they don't stop acting like jerks they'll just get cut out of the Will?

In other words, push back a teensy bit.

Posted by: Robert at January 14, 2022 10:44 PM (S5sZ7)

157 It doesn't help when you have otherwise compedent MDs that parrot the government covid vaccine hospital overflowing conspiracy theory ivermectin no good death story on YT.

Every day almost a Dr. Vuong is the sky is falling....youall are crazy. Wave after wave.

It's not normal it's not healthy.
It doesn't help.
Posted by: torabora at January 14, 2022 10:38 PM (fbHXO)


I finally snapped at a co-worker yesterday over all this. He poked his head into our office and told the guy working next to me, "Did you know there's 11,000 new cases of Covid in our state as of yesterday?!" I shot back, "Who cares?" He's not really a Karen, he just likes to have something to talk about, so it didn't go any further. But the guy he was talking too guessed I was an "anti-vaxxer" after that, and admitted to me today that he wasn't a big fan either. So it worked out, on balance.

Posted by: Dr. T at January 14, 2022 10:45 PM (tp+tP)

158
In April of 2020 I was reading the CDC stats daily and that was my conclusion. CoVid19 is less virulent and deadly than the seasonal flu.
Posted by: Sharkman at January 14, 2022 10:44 PM (8gxrg)

____________

Overflowing emergency rooms! Exhausted doctors and nurses! Dead children everywhere!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 14, 2022 10:46 PM (/U27+)

159 Hopefully I will get to see my grandson before he graduates college.
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at January 14, 2022 07:43 PM (6+hNa)
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas - AoS Ladies' Brigade Plucky Comic Relief at January 14, 2022 10:36 PM (SRRAx)


I feel for you. I also have a couple of idiot relatives. My brother came to see me about something last summer, and he walked into my house wearing a mask. I'm still irritated by it. I'm not a friggin' leper.

Posted by: nerdygirl at January 14, 2022 10:46 PM (+lVUW)

160 Wait. Teresa in Fort Worth has an estate?

Heh. How you doin?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at January 14, 2022 10:46 PM (VxC1e)

161 I think Hitler had a legit shot at European mastery. He rightly gets saddled with the big mistakes because he called the shots, but he also overruled the most conservative elements in the German military that opposed the blitzkrieg through the low countries into France. And there were several hinges of fate that raise some big "what ifs?" Like if Yugoslavia's government had not flipped from pro-Axis to anti and the Italians had not invaded Greece and become bogged there. Imagine Barbarossa launched 4 weeks earlier. Moscow?

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at January 14, 2022 10:46 PM (3YVs3)

162 The purges were very bad. Staalin was froced to bring those bale officers who survived back into the rank, like Rokossovsky. On of the big three - Zhukov, Rokossovsky, Malinovsky.

Posted by: runner at January 14, 2022 10:46 PM (V13WU)

163 Certainly you've seen pics of the EU's defense ministers

As Mark Steyn observed, in the EU you become defense minister enroute to getting a truly important job, like health minister.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 14, 2022 10:47 PM (I2/tG)

164 In April of 2020 I was reading the CDC stats daily and that was my conclusion. CoVid19 is less virulent and deadly than the seasonal flu.


I have been analyzing the data such as it is since March 2020 and same conclusion here. Been looking for something, ANYTHING to change my mind. Nothing has.

By the by, about 1 in 3-5 years the dominant seasonal flu? Is a coronavirus.

Posted by: Black Orchid at January 14, 2022 10:47 PM (j9HX3)

165 The Stuka pilots were meth heads . The Meth allowed the steep dives without passing out. They called the meth pills ,Pervitin, pilot salt.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 14, 2022 10:47 PM (3q554)

166 As for the Pearl Harbor meme thing

"Should have gone for the oil tanks."

Would have forced the US Pacific Fleet back to the West Coast and extended the war at least six months. The carriers might have been able to still meet the Japanese at Coral Sea but the Revenge Raids might not have been feasible.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 14, 2022 10:47 PM (1s9Ej)

167 Rokossovsky had his teeth broken out in the Gulag before Stalin realized he might be able to use the guy.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at January 14, 2022 10:48 PM (VxC1e)

168 We failed. But only in our own country. Stay safe.

Posted by: Zombie Uncle Joe Stalin at January 14, 2022 10:48 PM (Xrfse)

169 Dad proud of his son wearing T-Shirt depicting lesbians.
Don't know about that family.

Posted by: Braenyard at January 14, 2022 10:48 PM (N6bh0)

170 WW II France might be able to take over the current EU...
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 14, 2022 10:43 PM (llON


WWII Luxembourg could probably take over the current EU.

Posted by: Dr. T at January 14, 2022 10:48 PM (tp+tP)

171 May we assume that spacing is a subset of phrasing?

Posted by: micky at January 14, 2022 10:48 PM (3byMq)

172 31 The "seasonal flu" kills 30-80k people a year. Not "with" but from the flu.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 14, 2022 10:10

Says the CDC. For years it was 36,000 killed by the flu -- Get Your Flu Shot. Suddenly it was 63,000 or some such number -- Get Your Flu Shot. Then it was covid and there was no flu, but Get Your Flu Shot.
I do not believe anything they say. Not.One.Word.

Posted by: TecumsehTea at January 14, 2022 10:48 PM (BjGT6)

173 54 41 Why was popeye robbing a bank?
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at January 14, 2022 10:13 PM (LasAT)

Oil prices are up!

Posted by: Popeye at January 14, 2022 10:15 PM (oHd/0)

You guys are slipping. Ninety more comments and no one said "No, Olive Oyl's prices are up"?

Posted by: Dr. Weevil at January 14, 2022 10:49 PM (1+sgf)

174
I watched some documentary a while back about the drug cocktails Hitler was on. One was essentially oxycodone, something very close to it.

They'd shoot him up to get him wound up for the day, then had to shoot up with downers so he could sleep.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at January 14, 2022 10:49 PM (Mzdiz)

175 "Johnny Hitler" on Danger 5

https://youtu.be/PbW9NDivBJ8

Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 14, 2022 10:49 PM (ybIRR)

176
You know who would understand that Russian video perfectly? County Agent Hank Kimball. That would make perfect sense to him.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at January 14, 2022 10:49 PM (Mzdiz)

177 If I recall correctly, the entire Pacific War hinged on one pilot taking a risk, low on fuel and just happened to spot the Japanese carriers.

Luck, as would have it, was not on their side.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 14, 2022 10:49 PM (4fSQf)

178
Rokossovsky had his teeth broken out in the Gulag before Stalin realized he might be able to use the guy.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at January 14, 2022 10:48 PM (VxC1e)

__________

They pulled him out, cleaned him up, gave him a uniform and sent him to see Stalin. "So," Stalin asks, "where have you been recently?"

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 14, 2022 10:50 PM (/U27+)

179 As for the manga t-shirt that got the suspension for the boy, how PHOBIC of the school to discriminate against the love of a girl and a cat-girl. What h8trs.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 14, 2022 10:50 PM (1s9Ej)

180 I think Hitler had a legit shot at European mastery. He rightly gets saddled with the big mistakes because he called the shots, but he also overruled the most conservative elements in the German military that opposed the blitzkrieg through the low countries into France. And there were several hinges of fate that raise some big "what ifs?" Like if Yugoslavia's government had not flipped from pro-Axis to anti and the Italians had not invaded Greece and become bogged there. Imagine Barbarossa launched 4 weeks earlier. Moscow?
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at January 14, 2022 10:46 PM (3YVs3)


Or, what if Hitler had put even a modestly larger force into the North African campaign, enough to punch through Suez and reach the Mideast oil fields?

Posted by: Dr. T at January 14, 2022 10:50 PM (tp+tP)

181 We shall defeat you without firing a shot. Trannies, Karens and Suburban Wine Moms unite!

Posted by: Zombie Uncle Joe Stalin at January 14, 2022 10:50 PM (Xrfse)

182 Talked to my niece in California. When asked if they were still in lockdown, her reply was "No, we just have to wear masks when we go out."

Paper bullshit masks. She's a leftist (she's young). She can't comprehend that she's still in lockdown. Those damn paper masks aren't doing anything other than dehumanizing interaction with others.

I don't engage in conversation with those strangers in public wearing masks. I don't want to know their story. I no longer care.

Posted by: Crusader at January 14, 2022 10:51 PM (Cjcf6)

183 I have been analyzing the data such as it is since March 2020 and same conclusion here. Been looking for something, ANYTHING to change my mind. Nothing has.

By the by, about 1 in 3-5 years the dominant seasonal flu? Is a coronavirus.
Posted by: Black Orchid at January 14, 2022 10:47 PM (j9HX3)

Yup, its Globul Warmering, part Deux! Pandemic Buggaloo!

Just make up the numbers.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 14, 2022 10:51 PM (oHd/0)

184 Boyd Crowder always took care of business with 2 or 3 dudes

Posted by: Doof




I really need to do a re-watch of Justified.

Posted by: Sharkman at January 14, 2022 10:51 PM (8gxrg)

185 You guys are slipping. Ninety more comments and no one said "No, Olive Oyl's prices are up"?
Posted by: Dr. Weevil

Olive Oyl was a two-timing bitch!! Take a careful look at Swee'pea - he's a dead ringer for Whimpy!!

Posted by: Tonypete at January 14, 2022 10:52 PM (mD/uy)

186 The hacks knew from the start that most of the people dying from COVID had co-morbidities. They knew that if they ratcheted up the fear porn they could wreck Trump's economy and get mail-in voting.

What they didn't know was how complex the economy is, they didn't know that you can't just start it up after shutting it down for months. These are people who think price controls will fix inflation.

Posted by: kbdabear at January 14, 2022 10:52 PM (qAR6u)

187 How many people does the flu kill and how many does the flu kill with other issues...probably not much different than Fauxi Flu

Posted by: a dude in MI at January 14, 2022 10:52 PM (+I6Y/)

188 All the stores were out of Grey Goose vodka!

The world is coming to an end.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 14, 2022 10:53 PM (4fSQf)

189 Lt Cmdr Wade McClusky, Enterprise CAG, when he reached the reported position found empty Pacific Ocean.

Instead of turning around he lead 32 SBD Dauntless dive bombers in a box search until he spotted a Japanese DD that was racing to rejoin Nagumo's carriers. He just flew the course of the can and about 1030L arrived over the carriers.

Rest is history.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 14, 2022 10:53 PM (1s9Ej)

190 I don't engage in conversation with those strangers in public wearing masks.

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Me too. I figure, you want to be an NPC, then I'll treat you like an NPC.

No nod, no smile, no acknowledgment whatsoever.

Dicks.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at January 14, 2022 10:53 PM (VxC1e)

191 For many CoBs...
WD,darlin' you honestly do kick it.
Love you my dear

Posted by: COMountainMarie at January 14, 2022 10:53 PM (DKhCP)

192
I'm pretty sure Brandon will be trying price controls this year. Inflation is going to get to face-ripping levels by Spring through summer.

You ain't seen nothin' yet.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at January 14, 2022 10:53 PM (Mzdiz)

193 Or, what if Hitler had put even a modestly larger force into the North African campaign, enough to punch through Suez and reach the Mideast oil fields?
Posted by: Dr. T at January 14, 2022 10:50 PM (tp+tP)

He would have needed a Med Fleet to get oil tankers back to Europe, past the Brit and US Navys.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 14, 2022 10:53 PM (oHd/0)

194 Me too. I figure, you want to be an NPC, then I'll treat you like an NPC.

No nod, no smile, no acknowledgment whatsoever.

Dicks.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at January 14, 2022 10:53 PM (VxC1e)


I just repeat 'I can't hear you' till they pull it down. Then I recoil in fear, pointing while making the Donald Sutherland face.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 14, 2022 10:54 PM (4fSQf)

195 how PHOBIC of the school to discriminate against the love of a girl and a cat-girl. What h8trs.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 14, 2022 10:50 PM (1s9Ej)

*Raises sign while singing We Shall OvercOOOOoooOOOOME!*

Posted by: Robert, all about Cat Girl Rights at January 14, 2022 10:54 PM (S5sZ7)

196 I'm pretty sure Brandon will be trying price controls this year. Inflation is going to get to face-ripping levels by Spring through summer.

You ain't seen nothin' yet.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at January 14, 2022 10:53 PM (Mzdiz)

$14 for a fast food burger, fries, and milkshake. 1 year ago that was under $10 at the same store.

We already have face ripping inflation.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 14, 2022 10:54 PM (oHd/0)

197
Or, what if Hitler had put even a modestly larger force into the North African campaign, enough to punch through Suez and reach the Mideast oil fields?
Posted by: Dr. T at January 14, 2022 10:50 PM (tp+tP)

__________

Logistics wasn't Hitler's strong suit. Afrika Corps was running out of gas by the time they got to Egypt.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 14, 2022 10:55 PM (/U27+)

198 Stukas?

Border Models is releasing in 1/35, armor scale, a Junkers Ju 87G Stuka kit. Price about $80. Has markings for two of Rudel's planes including one at Kursk.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 14, 2022 10:55 PM (1s9Ej)

199 Posted by: Anna Puma at January 14, 2022 10:53 PM (1s9Ej

The better your leadership and training the luckier you get.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 14, 2022 10:55 PM (3q554)

200 Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas - AoS Ladies' Brigade Plucky Comic Relief at January 14, 2022 10:36 PM (SRRAx)

So sorry
Hugs

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 14, 2022 10:55 PM (lCui1)

201 I'm pretty sure Brandon will be trying price controls this year. Inflation is going to get to face-ripping levels by Spring through summer.

Agreed. Certainly if he blunders us into a war with Russia.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 14, 2022 10:55 PM (I2/tG)

202 I have a friend who's a weird mix of libertarian and social liberal; I keep up with him because he's hung onto his anti-establishment cred. He called me today all excited, he'd just finished reading Robert Kennedy Jr's book on Fauci, and is sold. Now I know, RK Jr, but still, he convinced this guy that Fauci is the Devil Incarnate, and I gotta cheer that!

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 14, 2022 10:55 PM (evAgx)

203 And, BTW, ...
Yeah. wtf...

Posted by: COMountainMarie at January 14, 2022 10:55 PM (DKhCP)

204 Here is a second Norem archive to add to the one I posted above. Dude was a great illustrator.

https://tinyurl.com/More-Norem

Posted by: Sharkman at January 14, 2022 10:56 PM (8gxrg)

205 No nod, no smile, no acknowledgment whatsoever.

No need. We have little or nothing in common.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 14, 2022 10:56 PM (Xrfse)

206 Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas

You have my greatest sympathies. Our grandkids are the joy of our lives. But you cannot win against crazy. Give it up for now. Pray for him, love him as they allow from a distance and trust the Lord to work this out somehow. This is so sad. You cannot please them.

Posted by: TecumsehTea at January 14, 2022 10:56 PM (BjGT6)

207 Logistics wasn't Hitler's strong suit. Afrika Corps was running out of gas by the time they got to Egypt.

Why are all my oil tankers getting sunk?

Posted by: Rommel, Not Knowing About Ultra! at January 14, 2022 10:56 PM (I2/tG)

208 Posted by: Sharkman at January 14, 2022 10:56 PM (8gxrg)

Could you post his Motorcycle Mama painting for me. NSFW.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 14, 2022 10:57 PM (3q554)

209 If Kessellring had been allowed to take Malta, it would have secured the supply lines to the Afrika Corps and completely forced the British to both sides of the Med.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 14, 2022 10:57 PM (1s9Ej)

210 Russians fought the nazis. Combat. No one else in mainland Europe did. I mean who ? SO they rolled and rolled. In Russia all of a sudden they met resistance. They tried and tried to get an idea of Russian/Soviet military capability and supply/war machine capacity. There were many espionage games played. When Nazis invaded, Soviets transported many factories behind the Urals to support the war effort. They basically built munitions factories out of nothing in the middle of fields and worked 24/7. Not sure adolf was ready for that type of commitment. Maybe he thought he was dealing with the Belgians or something. Though, Germany and Russia went to war before. But it was not the same - this was Soviet Russian and Nazi Germany. Past "engagements" were forgotten.

Posted by: runner at January 14, 2022 10:57 PM (V13WU)

211 Like if Yugoslavia's government had not flipped from pro-Axis to anti and the Italians had not invaded Greece and become bogged there. Imagine Barbarossa launched 4 weeks earlier. Moscow?

That's my guess, followed by a negotiated peace a la 1917. Where the line is drawn determines what follows, if the Nazis occupy Russia to a north south line at about Moscow Stalin would tried to move Soviet industry beyond the Urals to rebuild. Would he have succeeded? Dunno, there's all the raw materials in the world out there, but absolutely no infrastructure. If the Nazis settled for a smaller bite of Russia then Stalin is in a better place.

Assuming in this case that the US/UK don't invade Fortress Europe (a real possibility if Hitler has a secure East), then the war peters out followed by WWIII in the 1960s, with Russia playing the role of 1930s Germany.

Posted by: Weirddave at January 14, 2022 10:57 PM (rpsAg)

212 Two fronts in never a good idea. Especially in winter.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 14, 2022 10:58 PM (4fSQf)

213 I watched some documentary a while back about the drug cocktails Hitler was on. One was essentially oxycodone, something very close to it.

They'd shoot him up to get him wound up for the day, then had to shoot up with downers so he could sleep.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at January 14, 2022 10:49 PM (Mzdiz)

Been there, done that.

Posted by: Slo Joe Biden at January 14, 2022 10:58 PM (evAgx)

214 Popeye as the wheelman? Fake! Wimpy the Moocher maybe.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 14, 2022 10:59 PM (6liew)

215 I move that Earl Norem be granted Posthumous Moron status.

The man could paint.

Posted by: Sharkman at January 14, 2022 11:00 PM (8gxrg)

216 Hitler wasn't a brilliant tactician. He basically used speed to overrun weaker forces and overextend himself. Then he made some seriously boneheaded moves. Dude tried conquering the world with not nearly enough resources and troops.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 14, 2022 11:00 PM (4fSQf)

217 They called the meth pills ,Pervitin, pilot salt.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 14, 2022 10:47 PM (3q554)

Pervitin.

Pervitout.

Take it from your trousers, and wave it all about.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 14, 2022 11:01 PM (P3gRi)

218 156 Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas - AoS Ladies' Brigade Plucky Comic Relief at January 14, 2022 10:36 PM (SRRAx)

So I'm sure there are real issues at work here that 1. have nothing to do with the commie flu and 2. probably aren't anyone's bidness but, maybe I'm just being a fucking idiot, but have you considered telling the daughter and SIL that if they don't stop acting like jerks they'll just get cut out of the Will?

In other words, push back a teensy bit.
Posted by: Robert at January 14, 2022 10:44 PM (S5sZ7)


That might work if they weren't already making more money than we could ever hope to at the same point in our lives.

I tried to tell them when all of this started that SARS-2 would blow over in 2-3 years, just like every other "supervirus" - at least, that is what used to be taught in basic HS biology class. They didn't believe me, but here we are....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas - AoS Ladies' Brigade Plucky Comic Relief at January 14, 2022 11:01 PM (SRRAx)

219
Popeye as the wheelman? Fake! Wimpy the Moocher maybe.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 14, 2022 10:59 PM (6liew)

__________

"I will gladly pay you Tuesday for an AR-15 today."

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 14, 2022 11:01 PM (/U27+)

220 Imagine Barbarossa launched 4 weeks earlier. Moscow?
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls

Nope, bogged down trying to cross rivers that were overflowing due to extremely heavy rains the prior winter and spring. Hitler couldn't have taken off more than a few days earlier. His bigger problem was the loss of so much aircraft during the Battle of Britain. Lost a bunch of Stukas, which were fantastic battlefield tactical artillery and tank busters. Lost a bunch of fighters which could provide air cover and, perhaps more importantly, act as flying machine guns necessary because of the Sov's enormous manpower advantage. The lost medium bombers could've harassed assembly areas. Then there were all the resources diverted to killing Jews.... Then, what may have made the difference, is Hitler's failure to call a winter halt when the Rasputitsa hit. Allowing for local adjustments, Germany could've dug in and wiped out waves and waves of attacking Sovs in late November/early December instead of being overrun themselves. Don't get me wrong about how it turned out.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 14, 2022 11:01 PM (KAi1n)

221 The better your leadership and training the luckier you get.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 14, 2022 10:55 PM (3q554)


Seems like I have heard that basic maxim before!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) - Lie back and think of that sweet graft! ~ at January 14, 2022 11:01 PM (hOUT3)

222 Bath salts. Pilot salts.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 14, 2022 11:02 PM (4fSQf)

223 Lt Cmdr Wade McClusky, Enterprise CAG, when he reached the reported position found empty Pacific Ocean.

Instead of turning around he lead 32 SBD Dauntless dive bombers in a box search until he spotted a Japanese DD that was racing to rejoin Nagumo's carriers. He just flew the course of the can and about 1030L arrived over the carriers.


Where he ran into the entire Yorktown air compliment who just beat him there by maybe a minute. That accidental simultaneous attack is what cooked Nagumo's goose.

Posted by: Weirddave at January 14, 2022 11:02 PM (rpsAg)

224 Adolf did not expect to stick around for winter. Or 3.

Posted by: runner at January 14, 2022 11:02 PM (V13WU)

225 Kamala's one-on-one was her version of Reverand Al's 'resist we much'.

Posted by: micky at January 14, 2022 11:02 PM (3byMq)

226 Art on the ONT.
I'm so confused.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 14, 2022 11:03 PM (axyOa)

227 192
I'm pretty sure Brandon will be trying price controls this year. Inflation is going to get to face-ripping levels by Spring through summer.

You ain't seen nothin' yet.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at January 14, 2022 10:53 PM (Mzdiz)

It'd be great to anticipate for which products, and buy them up before they are nowhere to be found.

Posted by: Roy at January 14, 2022 11:03 PM (Ti+Tv)

228 These are people who think price controls will fix inflation.
Posted by: kbdabear

And to think that they still vilify Nixon to this day.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 14, 2022 11:04 PM (KAi1n)

229 When I was visiting my distributor in Chile a few years ago he took me to a nice restaurant for a late dinner. I noticed there were a bunch of strays hanging around the restaurant.

On the way out one of the cooks brought out a big tray of scarps and it was kind of a similar scene . You never know when you will see grace and often when you least expect it.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 14, 2022 11:04 PM (ZLI7S)

230 189 Lt Cmdr Wade McClusky, Enterprise CAG, when he reached the reported position found empty Pacific Ocean.

Instead of turning around he lead 32 SBD Dauntless dive bombers in a box search until he spotted a Japanese DD that was racing to rejoin Nagumo's carriers. He just flew the course of the can and about 1030L arrived over the carriers.

Rest is history.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 14, 2022 10:53 PM (1s9Ej


That was him. Basically won the war in the pacific. I also believe Nagumo was caught trying to refit the planes and couldn't launch in time to defend his carriers.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 14, 2022 11:04 PM (4fSQf)

231 175 "Johnny Hitler" on Danger 5

https://youtu.be/PbW9NDivBJ8
Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 14, 2022 10:49 PM (ybIRR)

That's real Retarded, Sir.

Posted by: Rachel Jeantel at January 14, 2022 11:04 PM (evAgx)

232 So.
Sometimes one learns what it is to be ready. A good thing.
Always know what the condition your thing is in.
Just saying'....


Posted by: COMountainMarie at January 14, 2022 11:05 PM (DKhCP)

233 210 Russians fought the nazis. Combat. No one else in mainland Europe did.

Posted by: runner at January 14, 2022 10:57 PM (V13WU)
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Poland, France and Belgium disagree. Also, Stalin polished Hitler's nob from 1939 right up until June 22, 1941.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 14, 2022 11:06 PM (llXky)

234 92 Michael Mann had the actors do two weeks of intense street gun fighting by military professionals.
The scene was so realistic that army trainers had their grunts watch this scene. "If actors can reload that quickly, so can you"
An army veteran confirmed to me that the scene was the most realistic movie gunfight ever made.
Posted by: kbdabear

What movie?

Posted by: Take Japper at January 14, 2022 11:06 PM (Ipx5e)

235 As opposed to Stanhope Ring, Hornet CAG, who when he reached the reported position of the Japanese carriers turned towards Midway thinking Nagumo had kept going.

They found empty ocean and ran low on fuel. Some landed at Midway while others straggled back to the carrier. So they missed out.

If they had arrived would have meant two more squadrons of Dauntless dive bombers over the carriers. So Hiryu would have probably been plastered. Thus Yorktown would not have been repeatedly attacked and finally sunk by an I-boat.

After Midway I have never run across Stanhope Ring leading another air strike.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 14, 2022 11:06 PM (1s9Ej)

236 Is Biden going to do the Phase 1, Phase 2, Phase 3 method of price freezes? He could also mail out some new Whip Inflation Now stickers with all those COVID test kits. When is shag carpeting going to be sold again?

Posted by: Roy at January 14, 2022 11:06 PM (Ti+Tv)

237 Speaking of aircraft carriers, I finally read Shattered Sword last week. It's the Battle of Midway from the Japanese perspective (but not written by Japanese authors).

Excellent book that I think corrected a lot of myths about the battle. The authors went a bit "native", I think. They seem very disappointed that the Japanese did not acquit themselves better against the Americans, who couldn't seem to get out of their own way.

One thing I hadn't previously known was that the main Japanese naval bases were very near Hiroshima, and that the Kido Butai sortied from there to hit Pearl Harbor and Midway. Seems to me the A-Bomb targeting of Hiroshima may have been more poetic justice than I'd previously thought.

Posted by: Sharkman at January 14, 2022 11:06 PM (8gxrg)

238 What movie?
Posted by: Take Japper at January 14, 2022 11:06 PM (Ipx5e)


Guessing Heat.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 14, 2022 11:07 PM (4fSQf)

239 I'm pretty sure Brandon will be trying price controls this year. Inflation is going to get to face-ripping levels by Spring through summer.

It's okay though. In late October, all the blue state governors are going to announce vax passports must be shown at polling places to gain entry (not to get a ballot because racism, but to enter the facility), thus salvaging* their hold in Congress.

*I haven't checked the math on that, but I don't expect them to, either.

Posted by: Methos at January 14, 2022 11:07 PM (kOpft)

240 There was a country music discussion last night. I present Brian Wilson vs. Dwight Yoakam. Heh.

https://tinyurl.com/4f6f6vbh

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 14, 2022 11:07 PM (Xrfse)

241 Two of my grandchildren live one street over, I had been their afterschool care until the Fairfax schools first closed. I now see them once in awhile if the weather's nice, because they're not allowed indoors now with us. My son and his wife had their first child last February. I have seen that granddaughter twice. Once outdoors on Mother's day, and once this past Thanksgiving. Short visit because it was cold. I will not see that granddaughter again until June, when we can meet outdoors again. This even after my son got Covid after two Pfizer shots. If anything my kids have gotten more anal.

Posted by: Lirio100 at January 14, 2022 11:07 PM (uFOGo)

242 Stalin and the Russian army had as bad as war crimes in Poland as the Nazis.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 14, 2022 11:07 PM (3q554)

243 That was him. Basically won the war in the pacific. I also believe Nagumo was caught trying to refit the planes and couldn't launch in time to defend his carriers.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 14, 2022 11:04 PM (4fSQf)
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Can't forget Torpedo 8, though. Making that attack...I find a high dust content in the air every time I think about it.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 14, 2022 11:08 PM (llXky)

244 Stalin and the Russian army had as bad as war crimes in Poland as the Nazis.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 14, 2022 11:07 PM (3q554)

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There was no comparison.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at January 14, 2022 11:09 PM (VxC1e)

245 Old apartment building central boiler offline since morning. Temps down to zero overnight. Here's hoping the problem is a minor hiccup, and resolved by an almost equally old landlord by tomorrow evening.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at January 14, 2022 11:09 PM (+WWsf)

246 Sorry, name of painting is Motorcycle Mama.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter





Having just Googled that painting, I think it should have been titled "The Righteous Tits of Justice".

Those were some serious cans.

Posted by: Sharkman at January 14, 2022 11:09 PM (8gxrg)

247 Can't forget Torpedo 8, though. Making that attack...I find a high dust content in the air every time I think about it.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 14, 2022 11:08 PM (llXky)


Can you imagine the hundreds if not thousands of individual events of pure bravery and self-sacrifice that were made during WWII? For all the ones we know, there must be thousands we don't know about.

Different generation.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 14, 2022 11:10 PM (4fSQf)

248 ZOD.

Posted by: ZOD at January 14, 2022 11:10 PM (x8kT3)

249
There was no comparison.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at January 14, 2022 11:09 PM (VxC1e)
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The book Bloodlands keeps a running tally of the body count. Stalin took a commanding lead early on. Never gave it up, either.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 14, 2022 11:11 PM (llXky)

250 I don't engage in conversation with those strangers in public wearing masks. I don't want to know their story. I no longer care.

Posted by: Crusader at January 14, 2022 10:51 PM (Cjcf6)

I smile widely at them and go freely about my business.

Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at January 14, 2022 11:11 PM (SH2Zi)

251 Yeah, gotta be that shootout in downtown L.A. in Heat.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at January 14, 2022 11:11 PM (3YVs3)

252 I don't engage in conversation with those strangers in public wearing masks. I don't want to know their story. I no longer care.
Posted by: Crusader at January 14, 2022 10:51 PM (Cjcf6)


Both a grocery store and a restaurant that I go to have signs up that they "strongly encourage people to wear masks even if they are vaccinated". Almost none of their customers wear masks and neither are a lot of their employees.

Posted by: nerdygirl at January 14, 2022 11:11 PM (+lVUW)

253 It's okay though. In late October, all the blue state governors are going to announce vax passports must be shown at polling places to gain entry (not to get a ballot because racism, but to enter the facility), thus salvaging* their hold in Congress.

Posted by: Methos

You know you can mail back your ballots; no entry required.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 14, 2022 11:12 PM (KAi1n)

254 Eloy - The Flash

https://youtu.be/-xDuZFmUz0g

Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at January 14, 2022 11:12 PM (SH2Zi)

255 The matter of who arrived first over Nagumo's carriers has never been fully resolved.

As Walter Lord noted in Incredible Victory, each air group pushed over thinking they were alone only to pull out and see the other air group attacking also.

For the Americans, it is a matter of about five to ten minutes on their clocks for the whole attack. Most of the Japanese documents went down with the carriers plus their time pieces were set to Tokyo time.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 14, 2022 11:12 PM (1s9Ej)

256 Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 14, 2022 11:07 PM (Xrfse)

Yoakam loves to do covers and they're all pretty damn good. I'm bias though as Yoakam is one of my favorite artists.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 14, 2022 11:12 PM (3q554)

257 Can you imagine the hundreds if not thousands of individual events of pure bravery and self-sacrifice that were made during WWII? For all the ones we know, there must be thousands we don't know about.

Different generation.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 14, 2022 11:10 PM (4fSQf)
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The convoy crews. No glory, no big parades, just getting the cargo through.

People were willing to sacrifice for things bigger than themselves. Not many will do that now, because it requires faith rather than likes on social media.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 14, 2022 11:13 PM (llXky)

258 >>242 Stalin and the Russian army had as bad as war crimes

A single death is a tragedy. A million deaths Zod Imperial.

Posted by: ZOD at January 14, 2022 11:14 PM (x8kT3)

259 I don't think you have to necessarily die of COVID only in order to be fairly counted as a COVID death.

I know plenty of people that are 'healthy' with two comorbidities, that if they contracted COVID and went into the hospital and died, I think could be fairly attributed to COVID.

What I think needs to be removed from the counts are people that were in the hospital for some other reason and were then tested and found to have COVID, and so they were counted.

A COVID death should be "a COVID-caused symptom is why you died".

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at January 14, 2022 11:14 PM (7F9te)

260 @216: "Dude tried conquering the world with not nearly enough resources and troops."

Kinda shocking how many of the supply line transports were, umm, lightly mechanized, if at all. The whole Russian scorched earth defensive withdrawal thing didn't help matters much either.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at January 14, 2022 11:14 PM (+WWsf)

261 239 I'm pretty sure Brandon will be trying price controls this year. Inflation is going to get to face-ripping levels by Spring through summer."

He may want to, but he won't be able to. It was unconstitutional when Nixon did it, but the WW2 generation was still around and they still believed things like that could work. He got away with it politically because of that, but it was still a total economic failure.

and now *no one* believes that kind of crap can work, except the hard core commies on twitter. I don't think he'll even try - and if he does try, he'll fail. Again.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 14, 2022 11:14 PM (evAgx)

262 I've never worn a mask outdoors and I'm not about to, not even for Halloween. Especially during 2020, when I was out walking about (gingerly since I still had a large hernia needing fixing), people, especially women, would freak the fuck out and avoid me like the, uhh, no pun intended, plague. Word.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 14, 2022 11:15 PM (KAi1n)

263 Yoakam is one of my favorite artists.

Same here.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 14, 2022 11:15 PM (Xrfse)

264 Kinda shocking how many of the supply line transports were, umm, lightly mechanized, if at all. The whole Russian scorched earth defensive withdrawal thing didn't help matters much either.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at January 14, 2022 11:14 PM (+WWsf)
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Both armies in the Spanish Civil War had a higher degree of motorization than the Wehrmacht.

Think about that.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 14, 2022 11:16 PM (llXky)

265 Yeah, any war fought today would include likes and views on tic tok.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 14, 2022 11:16 PM (4fSQf)

266 There was no comparison.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at January 14, 2022 11:09 PM (VxC1e)


Katyn massacre



Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 14, 2022 11:16 PM (3q554)

267 Poland, France and Belgium disagree. Also, Stalin polished Hitler's nob from 1939 right up until June 22, 1941.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 14, 2022 11:06 PM (llXky)

Seriously ? France ? Stalin was playing games, Stalin thought he outsmarted him. Most of Western European saloons were enamored with adolf. Until he invaded. Stalin thought he would be the one invading. In spite of what his generals (the ones who were not in the gulags) tried to tell him, or the intelligence reports.

Posted by: runner at January 14, 2022 11:16 PM (V13WU)

268 Shattered Sword seems to get more into the total nuts and bolts of how the Japanese screwed up their air search, how they armed their planes, dodging the attacks by Midway planes and three TBD squadrons, and the rush to re-arm after Tone's scout plane finally found an American task force. And all of it getting delayed again when Tomonaga's Midway strike returned.

So as Akagi finally turned into the wind to launch, all the A6M2 Zeros were at low altitude and three squadrons of dive bombers were over head.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 14, 2022 11:17 PM (1s9Ej)

269 Especially during 2020, when I was out walking about, people, especially women, would freak the fuck out and avoid me like the, uhh, no pun intended, plague.


Same here.

Even back before the pandemic.

A lot of germaphobic women in East Tennessee is all I can figure.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at January 14, 2022 11:17 PM (7F9te)

270 Think about what Germany was able to accomplish, in terms of war production (quantity and type of materiale) from 1943-1944, then advance that 2 years. The USSR falls.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 14, 2022 11:18 PM (KAi1n)

271 Hugs Teresa in FW. I hate what the CCP, CDC, and FNM have done to so many people.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at January 14, 2022 11:18 PM (3cGpq)

272 Yoakam is one of my favorite artists.

Same here.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 14, 2022 11:15 PM (Xrfse)

My favorite cover is Suspicious Minds.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 14, 2022 11:18 PM (3q554)

273 You know you can mail back your ballots; no entry required.

You think if you put a ballot in the mail, anything resembling your vote gets tallied? LOL

Posted by: Methos at January 14, 2022 11:18 PM (kOpft)

274 Now I know, RK Jr, but still, he convinced this guy that Fauci is the Devil Incarnate, and I gotta cheer that!

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 14, 2022 10:55 PM (evAgx)

Baby steps.

Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at January 14, 2022 11:18 PM (SH2Zi)

275 Little things win wars.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 14, 2022 11:18 PM (4fSQf)

276 >>261 239 I'm pretty sure Brandon will be trying price controls this year. Inflation is going to get to face-ripping levels by Spring through summer."
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 14, 2022 11:14 PM (evAgx)>>

Poor people will starve.

Posted by: ZOD at January 14, 2022 11:19 PM (x8kT3)

277
For the Americans, it is a matter of about five to ten minutes on their clocks for the whole attack. Most of the Japanese documents went down with the carriers plus their time pieces were set to Tokyo time.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 14, 2022 11:12 PM (1s9Ej)


the absolutely astounding thing is that the outcome of the entire, years long Pacific War hinged on what happened in those 10 minutes.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 14, 2022 11:20 PM (evAgx)

278 This is the worst trip...I've ever been on.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 14, 2022 11:20 PM (Xrfse)

279 Seriously ? France ?

Posted by: runner at January 14, 2022 11:16 PM (V13WU)
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Yeah, seriously. Look up the tank losses. Dead people are still dead, and lots of Germans died in Poland and France.

Given the paucity of experienced NCOs and junior officers, those losses counted more than people think.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 14, 2022 11:20 PM (llXky)

280 Poland's little adventure of 1609 is still paying dividends.

Posted by: runner at January 14, 2022 11:20 PM (V13WU)

281 Ok...I'll step out.
You guys do do so kick it.
I do love ONTers....thanks, pals!

Posted by: COMountainMarie at January 14, 2022 11:20 PM (DKhCP)

282
It also wouldn't surprise me if they have to go to rationing, at least for some products.

When I was young, I remember the old timers describing war rationing during WWII, and was just reading about that.

National speed limit of 35 mph (to save gasoline and tires). You were rationed gasoline based on need. They halted the commercial sale of automobiles, but with a lot of inventory of new vehicles still on hand. Production facilities shifted to war production of course.

Anyway, only those with need were allowed to purchase that limited inventory of new cars. Doctors were such class. Preachers were another.

And no one could "hoard" more than 5 tires. Four and a spare. If you had more than 5, it would be confiscated.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at January 14, 2022 11:21 PM (Mzdiz)

283 Maybe he thought he was dealing with the Belgians or something.

It took the Wehrmacht with total freedom of maneuver and Luftwaffe with total air superiority almost two months to reduce the Belgian forts. The Germans sure as hell didn't think they'd just rolled over them. The Poles gave them hell, too -- it took weeks for the supposedly fully mechanized Blitz to roll up cavalry charging with lances. And the dash to the sea in France cut up German lines of supply and communication so badly that they had to sit in place for a couple of months to get reorganized. We call it a stunning victory, but the Germans weren't so sure.


Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 14, 2022 11:21 PM (videA)

284 Union Bank heist: Cops have already fired at least 20 shots, judging from bullet holes and wounded perps.
Good thing Clinton outlawed those high capacity revolving cylinder assault weapons, doing so may have saved thousands of people getting slaughter in the street, just because they were trying to feed their families...like these Disney loving youths the police are attacking..

Posted by: birddog at January 14, 2022 11:22 PM (uAI4S)

285 Regarding "price controls", we need to be ready to call out their hypocrisy. The decision makers *already* understand supply and demand curves (aka "Economics 101"). The poker "tell" was Biden's pointless move to sell off some of the oil strategic reserve. That's a move that acknowledges that higher supply leads to lower prices.

We've got to get the message out that the *marxists* can't SELECTIVELY invoke basic economics. IF they understood supply and demand when it comes to oil, they understand it with regard to labor, utilities, housing, etc. We've got to force our friends and neighbors to pick a side. If supply and demand is an accurate representation of human behavior, they can't be allowed to IGNORE IT just because they want to.

Posted by: Crusader at January 14, 2022 11:22 PM (Cjcf6)

286 The thing is, the baby is only one month old.

I got the booster (under protest) AFTER that. So that I could see him.

Shouldn't a booster give more than 3 weeks' worth of protection?

This latest development is quite infuriating.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas - AoS Ladies' Brigade Plucky Comic Relief at January 14, 2022 11:22 PM (SRRAx)

287 Believe it or not, the Nazi logistics tail ran on horse power. As in actual horses. Even aside from Hitler's distaste for gas because of his personal experiences in WWI, that's the main reason the Nazis never deployed poison gas. It's a lot harder to protect horses from gas attacks than men. If they had started losing thousands of horses to gas, they were dead in the water.

Posted by: Weirddave at January 14, 2022 11:22 PM (sKs8Q)

288 People were willing to sacrifice for things bigger than themselves. Not many will do that now, because it requires faith rather than likes on social media.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 14, 2022 11:13 PM (llXky)


Yes.
My uncle was in the Merchants on the Murmansk run!
My Father was USNR in the PAC!
Tell me about it!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) - Lie back and think of that sweet graft! ~ at January 14, 2022 11:24 PM (hOUT3)

289 If the Germans hadn't stopped their advance in France and overran Dunkirk the war would have been a lot different.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 14, 2022 11:24 PM (3q554)

290 Girls on Instagram be like:


Does this Eiffel Tower make my butt look big?

Posted by: The Artist Formerly Known As Prince at January 14, 2022 11:25 PM (PTDkx)

291 When I was young, I remember the old timers describing war rationing during WWII, and was just reading about that.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at January 14, 2022 11:21 PM (Mzdiz)
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My maternal grandparents got married in 1944. Their wedding gifts were...fuel rations. For them to take a honeymoon. (Grandpa was a navigator on the aerial link to Europe.)

Dad was a war baby, born in 1942 because his dad was a training officer. Premium item everyone wanted? G.I. wool blankets.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 14, 2022 11:25 PM (llXky)

292 289 If the Germans hadn't stopped their advance in France and overran Dunkirk the war would have been a lot different.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 14, 2022 11:24 PM (3q554


But then we wouldn't have had that cool armada of fish boats.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 14, 2022 11:25 PM (4fSQf)

293 People always latch onto Torpedo 8 because only one pilot survived. But there were four other groups of torpedo bombers at Midway.

Four short wing USAAF B-26 Marauders attacked Nagumo. Only two shot up wrecks survived. 0 hits.

VT-8 Detached attacked from Midway with six brand new TBF-1 Avengers. Only one plane returned with two crew and one dead. 0 hits.

VT-6 attacked with TBDs. Only four escaped the attack, two ditched - Esder and Corl. 0 Hits.

Finally VT-3 from Yorktown. Only two returned to the carrier. Two pilots and one radio-gunner survived. 0 hits.

Out of over 60 torpedo bombers, only seven made it back.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 14, 2022 11:25 PM (1s9Ej)

294 This latest development is quite infuriating.
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas - AoS Ladies' Brigade Plucky Comic Relief at January 14, 2022 11:22 PM (SRRAx)


The motorizing of all the goalposts is quite infuriating!
Sorry for your situation, Teresa, hope it gets resolved!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) - Lie back and think of that sweet graft! ~ at January 14, 2022 11:26 PM (hOUT3)

295 245 Old apartment building central boiler offline since morning. Temps down to zero overnight. Here's hoping the problem is a minor hiccup, and resolved by an almost equally old landlord by tomorrow evening.
Posted by: Walter Freeman at January 14, 2022 11:09 PM (+WWsf)


My furnace went on the blink last winter and it was pretty miserable until I managed to get it fixed. So now I've purchased a couple of electric heaters, just in case. Also, you know what feels really good when your home is cold? Fill up the bathtub with warm water and lay in it. Bring a paperback book and do some reading.

Posted by: nerdygirl at January 14, 2022 11:26 PM (+lVUW)

296 Believe it or not, the Nazi logistics tail ran on horse power. As in actual horses. Even aside from Hitler's distaste for gas because of his personal experiences in WWI, that's the main reason the Nazis never deployed poison gas. It's a lot harder to protect horses from gas attacks than men. If they had started losing thousands of horses to gas, they were dead in the water.
Posted by: Weirddave at January 14, 2022 11:22 PM (sKs8Q)

Some Jewish folks would strongly disagree with your statement that Nazis never deployed gas.

Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at January 14, 2022 11:26 PM (Rz2Nc)

297 I have no idea what the cartoon/comic on Instragam gils is supposed to mean other than Instagram girls wear skimpy outfits. I don't know what all the headings mean.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 14, 2022 11:27 PM (NAPmw)

298 France fought , a bit, but both Soviets and Nazis were engaged in fighting "total war". England was ready to do so if invaded. France horrified at damaging Paris, signed an Armstice on 6/22/1940...adolph marched under The Arc de Triomphe.

Posted by: runner at January 14, 2022 11:27 PM (V13WU)

299 Out of over 60 torpedo bombers, only seven made it back.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 14, 2022 11:25 PM (1s9Ej


Wonder if those boys knew it was a suicide mission to be a dive bomber.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 14, 2022 11:27 PM (4fSQf)

300 Amazing that the Torpedo Bomber pilots could get into their cockpits, given the enormous balls they were carrying around.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 14, 2022 11:27 PM (dNqv+)

301
Out of over 60 torpedo bombers, only seven made it back.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 14, 2022 11:25 PM (1s9Ej)
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And the torpedoes weren't the best, either. Makes it even more tragic.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 14, 2022 11:28 PM (llXky)

302 No to mention that US torpedos absolutely sucked in 1942. All those men were attacking with weapons that basically didn't work.

Posted by: Weirddave at January 14, 2022 11:28 PM (sKs8Q)

303 >>It took the Wehrmacht with total freedom of maneuver and Luftwaffe with total air superiority almost two months to reduce the Belgian forts. The Germans sure as hell didn't think they'd just rolled over them. The Poles gave them hell, too -- it took weeks for the supposedly fully mechanized Blitz to roll up cavalry charging with lances. And the dash to the sea in France cut up German lines of supply and communication so badly that they had to sit in place for a couple of months to get reorganized. We call it a stunning victory, but the Germans weren't so sure.

This is 27% correct.

Posted by: ZOD at January 14, 2022 11:28 PM (x8kT3)

304 A.H. Lloyd

Why did the Condor Legion even bomb Guernica?

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 14, 2022 11:28 PM (1s9Ej)

305 Love this. Alan Jackson. America, hell yeah!

https://tinyurl.com/73t7z9jz

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 14, 2022 11:29 PM (Xrfse)

306 If the Germans hadn't stopped their advance in France and overran Dunkirk the war would have been a lot different.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 14, 2022 11:24 PM (3q554)
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What if Chamberlain showed some backbone in 1938?

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 14, 2022 11:29 PM (llXky)

307 the absolutely astounding thing is that the outcome of the entire, years long Pacific War hinged on what happened in those 10 minutes.

Again, my sense of WWII is largely derived from sophisticated tabletop wargames, which cannot capture the uncertainties of the past, but I cannot fathom how Japan prevails unless the U.S. simply got discouraged and gave in (which I do not see). Japan was stretched to the limit by the end of their initial offensive in the Pacific. I'm sure that there's an alternate universe where they prevailed, but mathematically it would be threading a needle.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at January 14, 2022 11:29 PM (3YVs3)

308 Instead of turning around he lead 32 SBD Dauntless dive bombers in a box search until he spotted a Japanese DD that was racing to rejoin Nagumo's carriers. He just flew the course of the can and about 1030L arrived over the carriers.

Rest is history.

Posted by: Anna Puma



That Japanese DD was racing back to the fleet after having depth-charged the USS Nautilus repeatedly.

The authors of Shattered Sword were candid in their conclusion that the US was still going to bury the Japanese fleet in carriers even if the US had lost at Midway. We were launching an Essex class fleet carrier every two months in 1943.

The authors also scolded the Japanese for their "Fuck It! Let's Die Gloriously For The Emperor!" approach to warfare. You start a war you know you are going to lose and that will burn your country down to the bedrock because . . . BANZAI!

Posted by: Sharkman at January 14, 2022 11:29 PM (8gxrg)

309 adolph knew what he was dealing with in Europe. Small countries who could not fight. Bigger countries who would not fight. And Russians, but they were not arians, so vastly inferior. Easy target.

Posted by: runner at January 14, 2022 11:30 PM (V13WU)

310 What if Chamberlain showed some backbone in 1938?
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 14, 2022 11:29 PM (llXky)


Doubt it would have dissuaded Herr Hitler.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 14, 2022 11:30 PM (4fSQf)

311 Why did the Condor Legion even bomb Guernica?



fear

Posted by: runner at January 14, 2022 11:31 PM (V13WU)

312 @295: "Fill up the bathtub with warm water and lay in it. Bring a paperback book and do some reading."

I'm very familiar with excessive reading in the bathtub, and foot controls of the taps and drain to keep things always warm. Never did stock up on electric blankets though. My old kitty would probably like one, but then again, she's got a bed or two on top of the usually functional radiators; same difference.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at January 14, 2022 11:32 PM (+WWsf)

313 hitler truly believed his own chimeras, racial prejudices

Posted by: runner at January 14, 2022 11:32 PM (V13WU)

314 Why did the Condor Legion even bomb Guernica?

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 14, 2022 11:28 PM (1s9Ej)
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Because they were advancing on it and it commanded a key river crossing. Nothing odd or strange about striking an enemy position as your ground troops move to occupy it.

You don't even need to get into the fact that it was also what would normally be a called a legitimate military target (what with all the weapons factories there).

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 14, 2022 11:32 PM (llXky)

315 The Emperor was god.

If god tells you to go balls out, you unzip and bow.

Truly an amazing culture.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 14, 2022 11:33 PM (4fSQf)

316 Dad was a war baby, born in 1942 because his dad was a training officer. Premium item everyone wanted? G.I. wool blankets.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 14, 2022 11:25 PM (llXky)

My daddy was a teen during the war. We still had those damned GI wool blankets when I was a kid. They never die.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at January 14, 2022 11:33 PM (eKvjl)

317 Why was popeye robbing a bank?
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at January 14, 2022 10:13 PM (LasAT)


I want to know why Fleischer Studios is working with Disney. Those two warring houses combining smells like a big move on the street, and we better get ahead of it . Does anyone know where Betty Boop is, or has she been moved out of the picture?
One of you clowns go talk to Caspar, Famous Studios has always sat these things out, but they have seen the flicks. If he won't talk go rough up Richie Rich, that little twit will sing.

Posted by: Kindltot at January 14, 2022 11:33 PM (ZMraq)

318 Why did the Condor Legion even bomb Guernica?

fear

Posted by: runner at January 14, 2022 11:31 PM (V13WU)
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Communist lies. Read a book.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 14, 2022 11:34 PM (llXky)

319 it was too late in 1934 to stop WWII

Posted by: runner at January 14, 2022 11:34 PM (V13WU)

320 Poor people will starve.
Posted by: ZOD at January 14, 2022 11:19 PM (x8kT3)
===
Second look at Jonathan Swift?

Posted by: San Franpsycho at January 14, 2022 11:34 PM (aOAEF)

321 I know plenty of people that are 'healthy' with two comorbidities, that if they contracted COVID and went into the hospital and died, I think could be fairly attributed to COVID.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at January 14, 2022 11:14 PM (7F9te)

Could they if we agree that denial of potentially effective therapeutics could have prevented that death? Is it fairly attributed to COVID, malpractice, or crimes against humanity?

Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at January 14, 2022 11:34 PM (SH2Zi)

322 I have to disagree with you, Old Cat, on Suvorov.

He describes in very great detail the movements of Soviet armies toward the new border with Germany (in central Poland), the intentional destruction by the Soviets of their defensive lines (the same type the Finns had used to mail the Reds in '40), and a lot of other detail that convinced me that Russia was doing exactly what Germany was doing in the summer of '41, prepping for an invasion. They were just a couple weeks behind in scheduling.

We will never know of course. Things happened the way they happened.

Posted by: Sharkman at January 14, 2022 11:35 PM (8gxrg)

323 Has anyone read much on the supposed fascination with the occult by members of the Party?

Wondering if all that is true or just movie macguffins.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 14, 2022 11:35 PM (4fSQf)

324 315 The Emperor was god.

If god tells you to go balls out, you unzip and bow.

Truly an amazing culture.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 14, 2022 11:33 PM (4fSQf)

Let's not glorify it too much. There are things to admire but they were also heartless fucking monsters too.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 14, 2022 11:35 PM (dNqv+)

325 >>those damned GI wool blankets when I was a kid. They never die. Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at January 14, 2022 11:33 PM (eKvjl)

Not such a bad thing to have a couple around the house.

Posted by: ZOD at January 14, 2022 11:35 PM (x8kT3)

326 Communist lies. Read a book.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 14, 2022 11:34 PM (llXky)

huh? isn't it why nazis bombed cities ? to destroy and instill fear ?

Posted by: runner at January 14, 2022 11:35 PM (V13WU)

327 @240 "Sloop John B" is not by Brian Wilson. The Weavers did it, and it was in Carl Sandburg's American Song Bag in the 1920's. The BB version is all about Carol Kaye.

There was a pretty good album about 20 years ago of a lot of Nashville artists covering Beach Boys material.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 14, 2022 11:35 PM (videA)

328 The losses to the bomber squadrons were pretty high.

McClusky's long search resulted in sinking two carriers but many of his planes then went into the drink trying to return to the carrier due to fuel exhaustion.

Ring's bombers mostly survived their misadventure, only a few went into the drink. So they were pretty much intact for the Hiryu strike in the later afternoon and the strikes the next day against Mikuma and Mogami.

Yorktown's SBDs returned from the strike that sank Soryu to find their carrier under attack from Hiryu's planes. So most landed aboard Enterprise and merged with their surviving dive bombers for the rest of the battle. Lem Massey ditched his SBD beside the cruiser Astoria.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 14, 2022 11:36 PM (1s9Ej)

329 Has anyone read much on the supposed fascination with the occult by members of the Party?

Wondering if all that is true or just movie macguffins.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 14, 2022 11:35 PM (4fSQf)

true. they collected all sorts of religious artifacts throughout Europe. Raiders were jot too far off.

Posted by: runner at January 14, 2022 11:37 PM (V13WU)

330 Let's not glorify it too much. There are things to admire but they were also heartless fucking monsters too.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 14, 2022 11:35 PM (dNqv+)

Amazing = interesting. Very interesting culture built on deifying a person that led to people willing to suicide themselves for the country.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 14, 2022 11:37 PM (4fSQf)

331 What if Chamberlain showed some backbone in 1938?
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 14, 2022 11:29 PM (llXky)

In my game theory I actually think that may have unintentionally given Hitler more time to armor up and create his super weapons before he attacked. Of course you could say it also gave Stalin more time to do what he wanted. Anyway the decision to stop the advance was an instant bad military decision that was on the same level as their delay in responding to D-Day. Of course Imho only .

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 14, 2022 11:37 PM (3q554)

332 Yeah, seriously. Look up the tank losses. Dead people are still dead, and lots of Germans died in Poland and France.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 14, 2022 11:20 PM (llXky)

This reminded me of the Red Zone in France near Verdun that is still abandoned over 100 years after WWI, because it's full of unexploded shells. Some contain poison gas.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at January 14, 2022 11:38 PM (Mzdiz)

333
The lowest tier of the gasoline rationing was the "A" stickers (you can find old pictures with these ration stickers on the windshield).

That was good for 3 -4 gallons *per week*. Next was the "B" level, and that got you 8 gallons per week, and that was given to war production workers. Next up was "C". Doctors got those. And then some others. The highest tier was "X", which gave an unlimited ration. You can buy all the gas you needed. Police and fireman got these as well as others. Some doctors got those. Even clergy.

There was a scandal when it was learned that members of Congress were getting the "X" ration stickers.

It's always been such, Congress giving themselves the perks.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at January 14, 2022 11:38 PM (Mzdiz)

334 Huh, used to be one could depend on WeirdDave's ONTs to be light-hearted. This world is gone.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 14, 2022 11:38 PM (m0zqP)

335 Isn't that how the big roving gangs in the depression worked? Dillinger, Bonnie and Clyde, etc? A group of cars packed with thugs descending on little towns here or there on a rampage with overwhelming force
Posted by: Oldcat at January 14, 2022 10:14 PM (eoQWY)


In Southern Washington, according to my Grandpa, it was normal for a bank to buy up some surplus rifles and ammo, (he mentioned Trapdoor Springfields) and give them out to the local shops and garages around the bank in case of just that sort of bank robbery.

Posted by: Kindltot at January 14, 2022 11:38 PM (ZMraq)

336 Here is another scenario, what if adolf did get the bomb in 1944 ? scary thought, no ?

Posted by: runner at January 14, 2022 11:39 PM (V13WU)

337 Anyone who collects Spanish pistols knows where they are made: Guernica.

Such a peaceful, harmless little town. Also the home of the Spanish Army's sole source of sidearms. Can't imagine why anyone would think it a military target.

The Communists drastically overestimated the loss of life. Fake historians like Anthony Beevor still site 1,800+ dead like it has any relation to reality. The truth is closer to 1/10 of that because a single bomb happened to score a direct hit on an air raid shelter.

The Germans sent about 20 aircraft, whose total bomb load was less than what four B-17s could carry. Not exactly what you'd use to annihilate a town.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 14, 2022 11:39 PM (llXky)

338 DeSantis lays down a marker today: "My biggest regret is not speaking out louder on the Trump admin's calls for a lockdown early in the Pandemic." Sounds like a man who wants to run for pres.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 14, 2022 11:39 PM (evAgx)

339 #327

I'm so tired of people on music forums (that I keep getting banned from) going on and on about Brian Wilson. He was a drug addict and crazy. I've never listened to "Pet Sounds". I don't want to listen to "Pet Sounds". The Beach Boys did just fine without him as a functional participant.

We've got to stop glorifying poor participants in society.

Posted by: Crusader at January 14, 2022 11:39 PM (Cjcf6)

340 Has anyone read much on the supposed fascination with the occult by members of the Party?

Wondering if all that is true or just movie macguffins.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 14, 2022 11:35 PM (4fSQf)

Himmler was big time into the occult as was Hitler's mentor , Eckart.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 14, 2022 11:40 PM (3q554)

341 Could you post his Motorcycle Mama painting for me. NSFW.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter



Ask, and ye shall receive:

https://tinyurl.com/Righteous-Tits-O-Justice

Posted by: Sharkman at January 14, 2022 11:40 PM (8gxrg)

342 I know plenty of people that are 'healthy' with two comorbidities, that if they contracted COVID and went into the hospital and died, I think could be fairly attributed to COVID.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at January 14, 2022 11:14 PM (7F9te)

Could they if we agree that denial of potentially effective therapeutics could have prevented that death? Is it fairly attributed to COVID, malpractice, or crimes against humanity?
Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at January 14, 2022 11:34 PM (SH2Zi)P

By the definition of comorbitities they aren't healthy.

Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at January 14, 2022 11:40 PM (Rz2Nc)

343 France went from best most advanced military force in Europe to not very much of a fighting force at all. From Napoleon to Vichy.

Posted by: runner at January 14, 2022 11:40 PM (V13WU)

344 There was a pretty good album about 20 years ago of a lot of Nashville artists covering Beach Boys material.

Stars and Stripes. https://tinyurl.com/23hdautc

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 14, 2022 11:40 PM (Xrfse)

345 336 Here is another scenario, what if adolf did get the bomb in 1944 ? scary thought, no ?
Posted by: runner at January 14, 2022 11:39 PM (V13WU)

and if he hadn't have chased all of his Jewish scientists out of the country and over to America, he probably would have.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 14, 2022 11:41 PM (evAgx)

346 There was a scandal when it was learned that members of Congress were getting the "X" ration stickers.

It's always been such, Congress giving themselves the perks.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at January 14, 2022 11:38 PM (Mzdiz


Very important job. Very important. Those crullers won't eat themselves boyo.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 14, 2022 11:42 PM (4fSQf)

347 There was a scandal when it was learned that members of Congress were getting the "X" ration stickers.

It's always been such, Congress giving themselves the perks.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at January 14, 2022 11:38 PM (Mzdiz)

Sometime for fun, read Mark Twain on elected officials.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at January 14, 2022 11:42 PM (eKvjl)

348 Second test. Hamsters ok?

Posted by: Fox2! at January 14, 2022 11:42 PM (qyH+l)

349 341 Could you post his Motorcycle Mama painting for me. NSFW.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter

Ask, and ye shall receive:

https://tinyurl.com/Righteous-Tits-O-Justice
Posted by: Sharkman at January 14, 2022 11:40 PM (8gxrg)

ooh, it's got Charles Bronson in it!

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 14, 2022 11:42 PM (evAgx)

350 This reminded me of the Red Zone in France near Verdun that is still abandoned over 100 years after WWI, because it's full of unexploded shells. Some contain poison gas.
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at January 14, 2022 11:38 PM (Mzdiz)

Washington DC was loaded with mustard gas. I think it's just been removed relatively speaking.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at January 14, 2022 11:43 PM (3q554)

351 1938, the UK was not prepared for war so Chamberlain decided to keep talking and stalling for time.

As a result Czechoslovakia was dismembered and Adolf started to really believe his own hype.

Even after war erupted, the British bureaucracy tried very hard to lose the Battle of Britain. The pilot schools were not running at 100% capacity even as hundred or so RAF pilots were dying per month. The Air Ministry tried to be a miser on issuing new fighters to Fighter Command so Lord Beaverbrook basically stole it from them and supplied needed Spitfires and Hurricanes straight to the units.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 14, 2022 11:43 PM (1s9Ej)

352 My daddy was a teen during the war. We still had those damned GI wool blankets when I was a kid. They never die.
Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at January 14, 2022 11:33 PM (eKvjl)


Itchy olive green things? My dad was in the army air force during WWII. He was blind in one eye, so he served stateside doing maintenance on airplanes.

Posted by: nerdygirl at January 14, 2022 11:44 PM (+lVUW)

353 Huh, used to be one could depend on WeirdDave's ONTs to be light-hearted. This world is gone

Sir, we are relitigating WWII. Pray we do not relitigate the American Civil War.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at January 14, 2022 11:45 PM (3YVs3)

354 338 DeSantis lays down a marker today: "My biggest regret is not speaking out louder on the Trump admin's calls for a lockdown early in the Pandemic." Sounds like a man who wants to run for pres.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 14, 2022 11:39 PM (evAgx)

Trump took a shot at him over the vaccine. He had to respond. We'll see how they handle this.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 14, 2022 11:45 PM (dNqv+)

355 No to mention that US torpedos absolutely sucked in 1942. All those men were attacking with weapons that basically didn't work.

Posted by: Weirddave at January 14, 2022 11:28 PM (sKs8Q)

Did they use the Mk-14 like the U.S. subs?

Drachinifel has an excellent video on the Mk-14.

https://youtu.be/eQ5Ru7Zu_1I

Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at January 14, 2022 11:45 PM (SH2Zi)

356 1938, the UK was not prepared for war so Chamberlain decided to keep talking and stalling for time.

As a result Czechoslovakia was dismembered and Adolf started to really believe his own hype.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 14, 2022 11:43 PM (1s9Ej)
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The Luftwaffe was puny at that time, don't believe the hype. Churchill was right - the Germans could not have fought the Czechs and the French at the same time. His generals had a plan to overthrow him because they knew it was national suicide and when Chamberlain buckled, the plan collapsed.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 14, 2022 11:46 PM (llXky)

357 Sir, we are relitigating WWII. Pray we do not relitigate the American Civil War.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at January 14, 2022 11:45 PM (3YVs3


Damn, Darth Balls.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 14, 2022 11:46 PM (4fSQf)

358 So, tonight is WWII and tits. Is that about it?

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at January 14, 2022 11:46 PM (eKvjl)

359 Sir, we are relitigating WWII. Pray we do not relitigate the American Civil War.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at January 14, 2022 11:45 PM (3YVs3)

we could pre-litigate the second one!

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 14, 2022 11:46 PM (evAgx)

360 Could they if we agree that denial of potentially effective therapeutics could have prevented that death? Is it fairly attributed to COVID, malpractice, or crimes against humanity?

Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at January 14, 2022 11:34 PM (SH2Zi)


I mean that's a very valid point.

In many ways, the medical community treated the general population with the same indifference of the Tuskegee syphilis experiments. They just let people die, withholding treatment and took notes.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at January 14, 2022 11:46 PM (7F9te)

361 @47

>>Its why the 2020 total death numbers are STILL hidden on the CDC website.


We had sussed out by June of 2020 that they were goosing the numbers by 80pct.

Literally the entirety of the plandemic was figured out right here on this blog.

Sadly, there still are some deadenders holding out.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 14, 2022 11:47 PM (OupRL)

362 and if he hadn't have chased all of his Jewish scientists out of the country and over to America, he probably would have.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 14, 2022 11:41 PM (evAgx)

Could the Reich have amassed enough uranium to make a bomb? I know Czechoslovakia had some uranium mines, but I think production was very small, since there was little or no market for it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 14, 2022 11:48 PM (P3gRi)

363 Those wool blankets suck in many ways. But they are super warm. Did basic in NJ in Dec/Jan. That shitty wool blanket kept me toasty.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at January 14, 2022 11:48 PM (3YVs3)

364 My daddy was a teen during the war. We still had those damned GI wool blankets when I was a kid. They never die.
Posted by: tcn in AK

Impervious to everything except moths. I liberated a few from fallout shelters in the early 70's. (Don't ask)

Wasn't Jordan or Infidel looking for some modern versions the other day? Pendleton has some for sale if memory serves.

Posted by: Tonypete at January 14, 2022 11:49 PM (mD/uy)

365 358 So, tonight is WWII and tits. Is that about it?
Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief

I mean Zombeavers was really really BAD.

Posted by: nurse ratched at January 14, 2022 11:49 PM (U2p+3)

366 Could the Reich have amassed enough uranium to make a bomb? I know Czechoslovakia had some uranium mines, but I think production was very small, since there was little or no market for it.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 14, 2022 11:48 PM (P3gRi)

The Ark of the Covenant was chock full of Uranium.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 14, 2022 11:49 PM (evAgx)

367 Can't we all just be light-hearted? All is well.

Posted by: That guy who always asks... at January 14, 2022 11:49 PM (Xrfse)

368 Zombeavers.

They eat brains?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 14, 2022 11:50 PM (4fSQf)

369 It was the French who really screwed up after the invasion of Poland. French units actually went into the Ruhr. The German military got rattled because there really was nothing to stop the French. Hitler blew it off. Hitler turned out right as the French then pulled back to their vaunted Maginot Line.

If the French had really pushed, the course of the war would have been different. But the French mindset was not offensive, they expected to fight the Great War again and beat the Bosch.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 14, 2022 11:50 PM (1s9Ej)

370 Mobility vs locked down engagements was also a big difference in how people reacted to WWI (after the war.)

There is a Napoleon quote I am trying to remember where he is talking about Speed being life to a soldier. The Germans turned further into it after the war (as well as realizing they need to focus on decision making being more distributed and closer to the soldier level. When they stuck to that, they were often successful, when they got away from it, things went badly.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 14, 2022 11:51 PM (dNqv+)

371 Those wool blankets suck in many ways. But they are super warm. Did basic in NJ in Dec/Jan. That shitty wool blanket kept me toasty.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at January 14, 2022 11:48 PM (3YVs3)
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Yeah, itchy as hell, but also warm. There was some elaborate protocol about when to show the "US" when we folded them as I recall.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 14, 2022 11:51 PM (llXky)

372 Mind you, I have already gotten a vaccine and a booster - against my will - in order to see this baby, and was told that was good enough.

Leftists are very, very good at convincing you they will settle for one thing...and then when you give them that demanding more.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 14, 2022 11:51 PM (ESjRY)

373 nazis were concerned with small munitions factory in Spain ? that made pistols ? There is documentary about nazis bombing villages in Casellon to test Stuka bombers. Benassal, Albocasser, Ares del Maestrat and Vilar de Canes . As far as I know there were no pistol factories there.

Posted by: runner at January 14, 2022 11:51 PM (V13WU)

374 By the definition of comorbitities they aren't healthy.

Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at January 14, 2022 11:40 PM (Rz2Nc)


I understand. I'm telling you there are some little ol' ladies at church that if they fall, will break a hip and be in the hospital.

But when someone says "What happened to Martha?", I'm not gonna say, "obesity, asthma and osteoporosis caused her hip to break".

I'm gonna say "She fell".

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at January 14, 2022 11:52 PM (7F9te)

375 So cold that my old kitty is actually complaining that I haven't gone to bed yet so I can be her personal heating pad! Too funny.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at January 14, 2022 11:53 PM (+WWsf)

376 Here is another scenario, what if adolf did get the bomb in 1944 ? scary thought, no ?
Posted by: runner at January 14, 2022 11:39 PM (V13WU)

Wasn't going to happen.
The heavy water that the Germans focused on was not sufficient for achieving enhanced uranium. Also, many of the key members of the German nuclear program were not interested in giving the Nazis this kind of power. lastly, the Germans did not have the industrial resources to produce a bomb.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 14, 2022 11:53 PM (axyOa)

377 In other news, took the Jeep for a short drive today, on some quiet roads in the 'hood. Transmission shifts OK, it steers and stops, and engine seems to have normal power. Got the "new" driver's door hung, and it opens and closes, the power window lift works, and the power mirror works. All the exterior lamps work.

Seems to be some driveline noise, maybe a wheel bearing.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 14, 2022 11:53 PM (P3gRi)

378 The interesting question in that scenario - where the German military assassinates Hitler in the run up to the Czech crises is just how bad of a civil war Germany ends up in.

One could imagine a few years later a red Germany subservient to the USSR igniting a much worse WWII...

Posted by: 18-1 at January 14, 2022 11:54 PM (ESjRY)

379 The book Bloodlands keeps a running tally of the body count. Stalin took a commanding lead early on. Never gave it up, either.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd


That's a depressing book. Another is "The German War" by Nicholas Stargardt. The author read thousajds of letters from soldiers to their families and vice-versa. The stories would inevitably end with "Obersturmbannfuhrer Klein was killed in action on ..." Fuck him. Every German over the age of 10 knew they were exterminating the Jews by the millions. The German people believed the Allies were bombing German cities BECAUSE the Allies knew the Germans were exterminating the Jews.

Posted by: Sharkman at January 14, 2022 11:55 PM (8gxrg)

380 @367

>>Can't we all just be light-hearted? All is well.

Sure, I bought an Orange Jeep Cherokee to go with my Orange Jeep Wrangler, my wife has an Orange Tucson, so now my driveway looks like a Tropicana factory exploded.

That's pretty silly.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 14, 2022 11:55 PM (OupRL)

381 Huge 10-alarm fire in New Jersey. Chemical plant.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 14, 2022 11:56 PM (4fSQf)

382 A kind of funny line about co-morbities in the movie "Collateral"

After Tom Cruise kills his first target, Jamie Foxx exclaims "You killed him!" Cruise retorts; "I shot him. The bullets and the fall killed him"

Posted by: kbdabear at January 14, 2022 11:56 PM (qAR6u)

383 Mobility vs locked down engagements was also a big difference in how people reacted to WWI (after the war.)

But that debate does come down to the era and technologies used.

Some WWI era generals didn't study the American civil war and tried Napoleonic warfare and...it failed. Then in WWII some generals were focused on WWI strategy and in turn they failed.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 14, 2022 11:56 PM (ESjRY)

384 nazis were concerned with small munitions factory in Spain ? that made pistols ? There is documentary about nazis bombing villages in Casellon to test Stuka bombers. Benassal, Albocasser, Ares del Maestrat and Vilar de Canes . As far as I know there were no pistol factories there.

Posted by: runner at January 14, 2022 11:51 PM (V13WU)
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The raid on Guernica was a tactical airstrike, and the town fell shortly afterwards. My point was that the whole "there was no legitimate reason to bomb the town" argument is pure bullshit.

What are you, a Second Republic apologist?

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 14, 2022 11:56 PM (llXky)

385 So, tonight is WWII and tits. Is that about it?
Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief



Herman Goering Night

Posted by: Hands - wounded healer at January 14, 2022 11:56 PM (786Ro)

386
There is some debate on just how close the Germans were to an atomic bomb. After the surrender, they housed some captured German physicists, including Werner Heisenberg, in bugged quarters (some big house somewhere in England). They wanted to listen in on their discussions.

They concluded they weren't all that close. Heisenberg was surprised that the US managed to do it, the story goes.

But then there are other stories that were closer than we thought.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at January 14, 2022 11:57 PM (Mzdiz)

387 113 Hitler had a personal doctor who would inject him with all sorts of shit
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabamillion

Worked for me.

Posted by: JFK at January 14, 2022 11:57 PM (bW8dp)

388 Some WWI era generals didn't study the American civil war and tried Napoleonic warfare and...it failed. Then in WWII some generals were focused on WWI strategy and in turn they failed.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 14, 2022 11:56 PM (ESjRY)

Right. Everyone always tries to refight the last war.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 14, 2022 11:58 PM (dNqv+)

389 Every German over the age of 10 knew they were exterminating the Jews by the millions.

One thing that gives me pause is whenever I go on twitter and read about places like AUS there are any number of people demanding their government exterminate people based on vax status.

A lot of them are government shills but...you'd think that this level of discourse would wake people up.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 14, 2022 11:58 PM (ESjRY)

390 Richthofen, relation to the Red Baron, was in charge of the Condor Legion. He was openly skeptical of the value of Udet's dive bomber toys before Spain. But in Spain, he learned how to use them for close air support and became a believer.

What really screwed the Luftwaffe from growing was the plane crash that killed Wever in 1936. He was pushing for the development of a heavy bomber in accordance with the theories of Douhet. But after his death, both heavy bomber designs were cancelled. And then the experiences of the Condor Legion taught the Luftwaffe they only needed tactical bombers.

But what about the He 177 Grief? What about it? Overly complex engines that caught fire so it was called the Fuhrer's Lighter. And because the RLM and Luftwaffe were so enamored with dive bombers, the Grief also had to be a dive bomber.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 14, 2022 11:59 PM (1s9Ej)

391 Zombeavers.

They eat brains?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 14, 2022 11:50 PM (4fSQf)

Wood.

Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at January 15, 2022 12:00 AM (SH2Zi)

392 The interesting question in that scenario - where the German military assassinates Hitler in the run up to the Czech crises is just how bad of a civil war Germany ends up in...

Posted by: 18-1 at January 14, 2022 11:54 PM (ESjRY)
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The Reds were a non-factor at that point. If the Reichwehr overthrew Hitler, they could well have offered the throne to the grandson of the Kaiser.

If you want a crazy alternate history scenario, imagine Stalin goes all-in on the Spanish Republic, wins the civil war and then tries to subvert France.

You could get a German-Italian-British alliance against the Reds. Fun times!

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 15, 2022 12:00 AM (llXky)

393 No chance Germany makes a A-bomb, ever. Only country that had all the necessary industrial resources was US. Then add to that Germany's heavy water experiments were a dead end.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 15, 2022 12:02 AM (KAi1n)

394 First they came for the big anime tiddies, and I shut that shit down right away because you don't fuck with that, bro.

Posted by: Broseidon at January 15, 2022 12:03 AM (icI8A)

395 You could get a German-Italian-British alliance against the Reds. Fun times!

"Let the Axis have the Italians this war." - Churchill

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2022 12:03 AM (1s9Ej)

396 394 First they came for the big anime tiddies, and I shut that shit down right away because you don't fuck with that, bro.
Posted by: Broseidon at January 15, 2022 12:03 AM (icI8A)

*fistbump*

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2022 12:04 AM (dNqv+)

397 Points to #179

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2022 12:04 AM (1s9Ej)

398 Cosplay, plus bonus white power symbol:

https://tinyurl.com/4z5ssfxp

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2022 12:05 AM (dNqv+)

399 Well, I am going to get an early one tonight; got an early day planned for tomorrow. Night, Horde.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 15, 2022 12:05 AM (P3gRi)

400 Night AOP.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2022 12:07 AM (dNqv+)

401 RK Jr, but still, he convinced this guy that Fauci is the Devil Incarnate, and I gotta cheer that!
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 14, 2022 10:55 PM (evAgx)


RK Jr has a podcast, he recently interviewed Alex Berenson

https://anchor.fm/RFKjr

Posted by: Kindltot at January 15, 2022 12:07 AM (ZMraq)

402 Cya later AoP.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2022 12:07 AM (1s9Ej)

403 Cosplay, plus bonus white power symbol:

Looks like a girl in a bikini top - what character is she supposed to be?

Posted by: 18-1 at January 15, 2022 12:08 AM (ESjRY)

404 323 Has anyone read much on the supposed fascination with the occult by members of the Party?

Wondering if all that is true or just movie macguffins.
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It's very true, which is part of what gives the two best Indiana Jones movies their punch. Himmler was really big into Nazi occultism and trying to make it a real thing, abetted by some of the other Nazi ideologues. An actual organization called the Ahnernebe existed, and its purpose was to identify and locate ancient artifacts
and teachings whose power could be made to serve the Nazi regime. (In Raiders of the Lost Ark the reptilian Todt would have been an Ahnernebe agent.)
https://allthatsinteresting.com/ahnenerbe

Posted by: exdem13 at January 15, 2022 12:08 AM (W+kMI)

405 Richthofen, relation to the Red Baron, was in charge of the Condor Legion. He was openly skeptical of the value of Udet's dive bomber toys before Spain. But in Spain, he learned how to use them for close air support and became a believer.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 14, 2022 11:59 PM (1s9Ej)
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The Ju-87 saw only very limited use in Spain. Mostly they were using obsolete Heinkels for strafing runs, which proved very effective.

The key takeaway from the Condor Legion's experience in Spain was that they continually rotated personnel. This meant that pilots and ground crews got combat experience and then shared this when they rotated back to Germany.

It is hard to overstate the value this provided to Germany. The only other European power to have so many combat-experienced pilots and crews was the USSR, and of course they shot most of them because Stalin. By all rights, the Luftwaffe should have been struggling with basic procedures in 1939, but they were actually better trained in mobile close-support than any of their adversaries thanks to Spain.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 15, 2022 12:09 AM (llXky)

406 What is a big d inner box anyway?

Posted by: Ted Torgerson at January 15, 2022 12:09 AM (Spr0s)

407 No chance Germany makes a A-bomb, ever. Only country that had all the necessary industrial resources was US. Then add to that Germany's heavy water experiments were a dead end.
Posted by: SFGoth at January 15, 2022 12:02 AM (KAi1n)

See, I don't know enough about nuclear physics to comfortably say "nazis were destined to never have the bomb". True, the US had the industrial resources, but it is not the industrial resources, I mean Soviets tested it in 1949. So who knows.

Posted by: runner at January 15, 2022 12:10 AM (V13WU)

408 403 Cosplay, plus bonus white power symbol:

Looks like a girl in a bikini top - what character is she supposed to be?
Posted by: 18-1 at January 15, 2022 12:08 AM (ESjRY)

Judging by the titles on some similar cosplay (seems to be a popular one in the busty search) 'One Piece'? I have no idea as I have not watched/read(?) it. I have heard of it, just pretty much know it is a massive property in anime.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2022 12:10 AM (dNqv+)

409
What Disney thought they could do to Star Wars fans and their bank accounts for the 45 hour stay at the Star Cruiser hotel.
Posted by: Anna Puma


What I wouldn't give to have a in-board room video of the pitch and the results discussion for that nonsense. Whewwwww.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 15, 2022 12:10 AM (zWpOF)

410 Germans weren't close, and were never on a serious path to, the bomb. Some of the reasons stated by others above. Only time the project was seriously considered in allocation of resources, its timeline (long, way out there) killed it on arrival. At that point there was a desperation to maximize production for critical items needed Right Now.

No poetic justice needed for Hiroshima's selection or location. Kure, not far away, was the Imperial Navy's center of gravity, in terms of shipyards, bases, and the naval academy at Eta Jima. But the Kido Butai sortied from far up north in the desolate unobserved Kuriles for Pearl Harbor, observing total radio silence, while simulated radio traffic was maintained down south. The unconventional north Pacific approach path to Hawai'i also called for this.

And Hiroshima was possibly the biggest military target in Japan on August 6. It was the HQ and major rear base of the Second Area Army, or Second General Army, tasked with defending southern Kyushu from Allied invasion. Most of its command staff and possibly tens of thousands of its personnel were killed by the bomb.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 15, 2022 12:10 AM (OTzUX)

411 406 What is a big d inner box anyway?
Posted by: Ted Torgerson at January 15, 2022 12:09 AM (Spr0s)

I didn't.

*pause*

Because of the echo...

Posted by: Hawkins at January 15, 2022 12:11 AM (dNqv+)

412 Kinda figured this would happen with Harem's World End.

The Man Killer Virus that wiped out all men save maybe five million is revealed to be man-made.

The black marker over the naught bits goes into over drive this second episode. Number One is enjoying himself banging as many chicks as possible, this is really creeping me out.

Our hero is assigned a nurse and bodyguard and they are supposed to sleep in bed with him. He HAS to procreate. One of them is way underage looking, like all of 12.

I am going to pass on this junk.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2022 12:11 AM (1s9Ej)

413 If anything my kids have gotten more anal.

Posted by: Lirio100



That sucks and I'm sorry. I'm putting you and Teresa in Ft. Worth into my prayers.

Posted by: Sharkman at January 15, 2022 12:13 AM (8gxrg)

414 I am going to pass on this junk.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2022 12:11 AM (1s9Ej)

It has been one of the things that has turned me off on some of the anime. The 'little schoolgirl' trope seems to be very strong. But that just seems to be certain series.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2022 12:13 AM (dNqv+)

415 398 Cosplay, plus bonus white power symbol:

https://tinyurl.com/4z5ssfxp
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I approve of this highly accurate cosplay of post-timeskip Nami from One Piece.

Posted by: exdem13 at January 15, 2022 12:14 AM (W+kMI)

416 Adolf Galland was in charge of the He 51s. All he wanted to do was fly the Me 109s. But if fell to him to develop the tactics that made the obsolete He 51s of Jasta 88 effective in close support.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2022 12:14 AM (1s9Ej)

417 @394: "Only country that had all the necessary industrial resources was US."

Watching Germany trying to build and defend the necessary uranium enrichment and electricity generation infrastructure would have been fun though.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at January 15, 2022 12:14 AM (+WWsf)

418 And while I haven't bothered with Suvorov, unless he has credible documentary evidence of planning and intent, which I don't think he does, then meh. But worse, he'd also have to invent a Red Army in 1941 capable of an offensive on the scale imagined. Because it didn't exist on the ground, in terms of equipment, personnel, training, leadership, infrastructure, logistics.

If one can force oneself through Glantz's "Stumbling Colossus", the data and details are there.

The massive encirclement disasters were the result of Soviet ineptitude and inexperience (and Budyonniy and Stalin and others who didn't know how to react) and German tactical virtuosity. Not because the Red Army was poised, a tightly compressed spring, ready to expand westward. It was none of those things.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 15, 2022 12:15 AM (OTzUX)

419 Wever's death mattered more because he was competent (well, except at the end) and not a drugged-up toady, but Germany didn't have the materiale to build a fleet of effective heavy bombers + fuel + armaments for them. Udet was a dumbass who wanted every plane in the Reich to be able to dive. Stukas had great utility but why on earth should a Heinkel-111 be able to dive?

Posted by: SFGoth at January 15, 2022 12:15 AM (KAi1n)

420 I sent a link to the Russian video to a Russian friend. It may take a few days, but if I get a Russian translation, I'll post it on a subsequent thread.

Posted by: Theodore at January 15, 2022 12:15 AM (GJnvT)

421 "407. No chance Germany makes a A-bomb, ever. Only country that had all the necessary industrial resources was US. Then add to that Germany's heavy water experiments were a dead end."

I dunno. They did build that base on the moon.

Posted by: Paco at January 15, 2022 12:16 AM (njExo)

422 What I wouldn't give to have a in-board room video of the pitch and the results discussion for that nonsense

Yeah it is really turning into one expensive steaming pile of Bantha po-do.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2022 12:16 AM (1s9Ej)

423
And Hiroshima was possibly the biggest military target in Japan on August 6. It was the HQ and major rear base of the Second Area Army, or Second General Army, tasked with defending southern Kyushu from Allied invasion. Most of its command staff and possibly tens of thousands of its personnel were killed by the bomb.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 15, 2022 12:10 AM (OTzUX)
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The US government consulted historians and asked them to fine the most culturally and historically significant sites in Japan. They came up with 25 of them, all of which were made off-limits to bombing attacks.

Name one other country that would do that.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 15, 2022 12:16 AM (llXky)

424 Thanks to whoever linked to Eloy. I am listening to the album Ocean.

https://youtu.be/KI8b6GQ5C80

Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 14, 2022 10:09 PM (ybIRR)

Got through it. It is pretty good. I was surprised to see it called their best, because I like some of the later stuff later.

Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at January 15, 2022 12:16 AM (SH2Zi)

425 389 Every German over the age of 10 knew they were exterminating the Jews by the millions.

One thing that gives me pause is whenever I go on twitter and read about places like AUS there are any number of people demanding their government exterminate people based on vax status.

A lot of them are government shills but...you'd think that this level of discourse would wake people up.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 14, 2022 11:58 PM (ESjRY)

You know how the take-away from the Holocaust was, "Never forget!"? Yeah, well, that is my motto these days. Never forget your neighbors, relatives, friends, colleagues, fellow grocery store shoppers, et al who swallowed the fear porn hook, line, and sinker and were happy to threaten, coerce, fear, distrust, and wish harm to those of us who did not.

Posted by: RondinellaMamma. Donald J. Trump is our duly elected president. at January 15, 2022 12:17 AM (l0Cy4)

426 The massive encirclement disasters were the result of Soviet ineptitude and inexperience (and Budyonniy and Stalin and others who didn't know how to react) and German tactical virtuosity. Not because the Red Army was poised, a tightly compressed spring, ready to expand westward. It was none of those things.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 15, 2022 12:15 AM (OTzUX)

Stalin had just purged the living hell out of the officer corps. I remember some estimate from the time that it would take something on the order of 20 years (peacetime) for them to restore the experience and ability and organization that Stalin just gave away. My prof in college said that he believed the Germans knew the extent of the purges to the Red Army and it was one of Hitler's primary motivations for launching an attack as swiftly as possible.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2022 12:19 AM (dNqv+)

427 Adolf Galland was in charge of the He 51s. All he wanted to do was fly the Me 109s. But if fell to him to develop the tactics that made the obsolete He 51s of Jasta 88 effective in close support.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2022 12:14 AM (1s9Ej)
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I don't know about that. The He 51s were shifted to ground attack before he arrived and the 'cadenza' tactic was also developed before his tour.

What Galland got was combat experience and a desperate need to get into interceptors because ground attack seriously sucked!

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 15, 2022 12:20 AM (llXky)

428 A.H. Lloyd

Just got finished reading Fighter General about Galland. That is the primary source.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2022 12:21 AM (1s9Ej)

429 412 Kinda figured this would happen with Harem's World End.

The Man Killer Virus that wiped out all men save maybe five million is revealed to be man-made.

The black marker over the naught bits goes into over drive this second episode. Number One is enjoying himself banging as many chicks as possible, this is really creeping me out.
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I am currently skipping World's End Harem because there is no way the broadcast episodes can exist being censored. Might as well wait for the BR rips. I endorse the story because it is a different form of post-apocalypse story, and plays it to the hilt, with no apologies. You know, the sort of stories that made anime a name for itself as NON-DISNEY animation before regressing mostly into fanboy and fangirl service for guaranteed income. The revelation of the plague as (wo)man-made is 0% surprise, and the intentions of the plague's developers to finish off what they started drives the story between the reproductive lottery hijinks. Three guesses which nation hosts the plague developers!

Posted by: exdem13 at January 15, 2022 12:22 AM (W+kMI)

430 From 1924-1932, the German army engaged in clandestine maneuvers with -- and in -- the Soviet Union. Hitler cancelled them.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 15, 2022 12:22 AM (KAi1n)

431 What is a big d inner box anyway?

Posted by: Ted Torgerson at January 15, 2022 12:09 AM (Spr0s)

$20, give or take.

Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at January 15, 2022 12:23 AM (SH2Zi)

432 Can't stop the signal, Mal.

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Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 15, 2022 12:23 AM (zWpOF)

433 Two countries got a ton of combat-experienced aviators out of Spain: Germany and the USSR.

Germany used theirs as instructor-pilots to accelerate the combat readiness of the Luftwaffe.

Stalin shot his.* Same was true of ground forces commanders. Anyone who had actual combat experience in Spain came home to a firing squad in Russia. Stalin had to Stalin.

*Some got promotions and were in positions of power in June 1941, and when they pointed out to "The Boss" that he was fucking things up, that was when they shot them.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 15, 2022 12:23 AM (llXky)

434 And there lots of other take-aways and things of interest in Stargardt's Book "The German War" that Sharkman mentioned above, highly recommend it. I believe the author's specialty is women and children in the Reich, but through his research he developed a much broader menu of things to discuss and the book is the result.

Many historians make use of the surviving reports of the Sicherheitsdienst (Security Service, SD) compiled by a network of agents throughout Germany, whose main task was to monitor popular thinking, morale, etc. It's pretty amazing and direct insight into popular opinion of the times. These books, and Goebbels' diary, are essential to understanding reality and thinking on the German side.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 15, 2022 12:24 AM (OTzUX)

435 What are you, a Second Republic apologist?

Based on his posts tonight, I suspect he might be a tankie.

Posted by: Weirddave at January 15, 2022 12:24 AM (sKs8Q)

436 #425, #389

I've been saying this for awhile. The "white church ladies" are going to enslave us all if we don't derisively rebuke them. I'm tired of playing nice. We still have a Constitution, and I'm way past putting up with people (spit) who think a TWO YEAR "emergency" means we don't have rights.

45% of this country's voters voted for Hillary. 45% of this country's voters voted for President vegetable. This country is at a precipice.

Posted by: Crusader at January 15, 2022 12:24 AM (Cjcf6)

437 Just got finished reading Fighter General about Galland. That is the primary source.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2022 12:21 AM (1s9Ej)
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I'm going off of Galland's memoirs (The First and the Last) and Condor Legion info. IIRC, he was one of the last rotations through Spain.

The guy liked 109s better than 51s, that's for sure.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 15, 2022 12:25 AM (llXky)

438
Oh Lord. Just saw this. Alex Berenson and Robert Malone were on some FOX News program today, and Berenson called Malone a liar about inventing the mRNA technology.

Now Malone is pissed off at him (and rightly so, I don't what's wrong with Berenson). Infighting like this is not needed on our side, especially petty shit like this.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at January 15, 2022 12:26 AM (Mzdiz)

439 For you Luftwaffe military collectors, according to Fighter General two sets of Knight's Cross with Oak Leaves and Diamonds that belonged to Galland are still unaccounted for after being stolen by a GI after Galland's capture.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2022 12:27 AM (1s9Ej)

440 @438: "Alex Berenson and Robert Malone were on some FOX News program ..."

Zero sum clout chasing? There can be only one!

Posted by: Walter Freeman at January 15, 2022 12:28 AM (+WWsf)

441 Posted by: Weirddave at January 15, 2022 12:24 AM (sKs8Q)


Thanks.

Posted by: runner at January 15, 2022 12:28 AM (V13WU)

442 The guy liked 109s better than 51s, that's for sure.

He was flying the He 51 in a bathing suit. And he got the doctor to say an open cockpit was bad for his rheumatism.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2022 12:28 AM (1s9Ej)

443 Based on his posts tonight, I suspect he might be a tankie.

Posted by: Weirddave at January 15, 2022 12:24 AM (sKs8Q)
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It was a weird exchange. I thought I was the resident Spanish Civil War obsessive, and yet he's got these talking points ready to roll. Odd.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 15, 2022 12:29 AM (llXky)

444 410 Germans weren't close, and were never on a serious path to, the bomb. Some of the reasons stated by others above. Only time the project was seriously considered in allocation of resources, its timeline (long, way out there) killed it on arrival. At that point there was a desperation to maximize production for critical items needed Right Now.
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There were two big reasons why the Nazis never got The Bomb. first, is that many of the scientists who staffed the Manhattan Project were refugees from the Nazi and Italian Fascist regimes. They took their knowledge and papers with them, and Heisenberg and the remaining loyal scientists had to start over from scratch in many parts of the project. The second reason was that the UK and USA made strenuous efforts to make sure the Nazi project never advanced. Sabotage, commando raids, and bombing missions kept the Nazi project continually behind until the progress of the war made its completion unlikely and irrelevant.

Posted by: exdem13 at January 15, 2022 12:30 AM (W+kMI)

445 For you Luftwaffe military collectors, according to Fighter General two sets of Knight's Cross with Oak Leaves and Diamonds that belonged to Galland are still unaccounted for after being stolen by a GI after Galland's capture.
Posted by: Anna Puma

No doubt they were thrown out after the kin of a deceased person started to clean out the attic.

"Lookit these costume jewelry pieces. We'd get a Nickle for them in the garage sale. Pitch 'em!"

Posted by: Tonypete at January 15, 2022 12:30 AM (mD/uy)

446 Anna, gonna have to keep my eyes open for those decorations. Though I'm not really a collector.

Just got "Battleship Commander", bio of Adm. Willis Lee, new from US Naval Institute. Should be good. Guy was even more interesting than I had always thought. Seems "shooting" - whether .22s, or 16-inch naval rifles, was his lifelong interest.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 15, 2022 12:31 AM (OTzUX)

447 He was flying the He 51 in a bathing suit. And he got the doctor to say an open cockpit was bad for his rheumatism.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2022 12:28 AM (1s9Ej)
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Oh, that was common in central Spain during the summer. Sweltering heat at low altitudes.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 15, 2022 12:31 AM (llXky)

448 For you Luftwaffe military collectors, according to Fighter General two sets of Knight's Cross with Oak Leaves and Diamonds that belonged to Galland are still unaccounted for after being stolen by a GI after Galland's capture.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2022 12:27 AM (1s9Ej)
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Yeah, and I wouldn't trust anything coming out of Spain claiming to have "Condor Legion" provenance.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 15, 2022 12:32 AM (llXky)

449 Woke asshole Ethan Klein is on video declaring his love for repeating racial slurs, which he then cheerfully demonstrates.

https://bit.ly/3IbJuGN

Posted by: bonhomme at January 15, 2022 12:33 AM (i0wNm)

450 Tony Pete

They probably were not thrown out but broken down for their diamonds. You see one set came from Goring and the other from Hitler.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2022 12:33 AM (1s9Ej)

451 Technically and in terms of industrial base and resources, the Germans were never on a serious path to the bomb. And emigres from other European countries played more of a role in both the theoretical/design and weaponization effort than German ones.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 15, 2022 12:34 AM (OTzUX)

452 No doubt they were thrown out after the kin of a deceased person started to clean out the attic.

"Lookit these costume jewelry pieces. We'd get a Nickle for them in the garage sale. Pitch 'em!"
Posted by: Tonypete at January 15, 2022 12:30 AM (mD/uy)

Pappaw had one of the SS ceremonial daggers.

https://tinyurl.com/2p9xafm3

He kept it in his toolbox in the garage. He had broken off about 3 inches of the blade a long while back using it to pry something or other. When I was a kid, I thought it was wrong to destroy the history. As I have gotten older, I have begun to see the contemptuous nature of treating it that way.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2022 12:35 AM (dNqv+)

453 Fighter General: The Life of Adolf Galland

Col. Raymond F. Toliver and Trevor J. Constable. 1990. AmPress Publishing.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2022 12:36 AM (1s9Ej)

454 Technically and in terms of industrial base and resources, the Germans were never on a serious path to the bomb. And emigres from other European countries played more of a role in both the theoretical/design and weaponization effort than German ones.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 15, 2022 12:34 AM (OTzUX)
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The Germans should have built less battleships and more trucks. No Bismarck, lots of trucks.

That's it. That's how they win the war.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 15, 2022 12:36 AM (llXky)

455 Some WWI era generals didn't study the American civil war and tried Napoleonic warfare and...it failed. Then in WWII some generals were focused on WWI strategy and in turn they failed.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 14, 2022 11:56 PM (ESjRY)


As a very young man, George S Patton talked a bit with John Singleton Mosby, and developed some ideas about how to manage an assault

I am told that the British officers looked to the Mongol's approach to warfare and when they pulled it off they were very successful as well

Posted by: Kindltot at January 15, 2022 12:37 AM (ZMraq)

456 The Germans should have built less battleships and more trucks. No Bismarck, lots of trucks.

That's it. That's how they win the war.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 15, 2022 12:36 AM (llXky)

Less Battle of Britain. Save those planes. Save that fuel. Save those pilots.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2022 12:37 AM (dNqv+)

457 Tonypete many is the time I have discussed what treasures sitting in attics and garages have been destroyed in the last 20 years, as WWII vets pass.

Have the logbook and other effects of a BIL's father, B-26 pilot in Europe, sitting right here next to me to peruse.

One time in a volunteer gig, a local guy walks in with incredible items and photos from his father, who was Pappy Boyington's favorite mechanic. Cleaning out the garage.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 15, 2022 12:37 AM (OTzUX)

458 Could they if we agree that denial of potentially effective therapeutics could have prevented that death? Is it fairly attributed to COVID, malpractice, or crimes against humanity?
Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at January 14, 2022 11:34 PM (SH2Zi)P

Crime against humanity. Hostis omnium hominum.

Posted by: Fox2! at January 15, 2022 12:38 AM (qyH+l)

459 Or Adolf Hitler waits a year so he has plenty more U-boats.

But neither the Japanese or the Germans really had plans for full mobilization of their industrial base or to train troops.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2022 12:39 AM (1s9Ej)

460 Minneapolis begins vaccine verification for indoor restaurants and all ticketed events beginning next week. Local newspaper suggested that raising the minimum age threshold from two to five was a meaningful concession to critics.

*facepalm*

Posted by: Walter Freeman at January 15, 2022 12:39 AM (+WWsf)

461 419 Wever's death mattered more because he was competent (well, except at the end) and not a drugged-up toady, but Germany didn't have the materiale to build a fleet of effective heavy bombers + fuel + armaments for them. Udet was a dumbass who wanted every plane in the Reich to be able to dive. Stukas had great utility but why on earth should a Heinkel-111 be able to dive?
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It's easy to kick the Luftwaffe chiefs for neglecting a strategic bombing force, but there wasn't a Wehrmacht long-term strategy that would require extended-range bombers with heavy payload. They moved from short-range campaign to short-range campaign, until the fighting in the USSR and the North African campaigns brought home the shortcomings which the Luftwaffe had been quick to explain away after the Battle of Britain. The UK and USA developed a strategic bombing program because their military flying arms required covering a lot of distance to reach enemy targets. The Luftwaffe attempted to catch up in 1942-44, but by then they were seriously behind in the game.

Posted by: exdem13 at January 15, 2022 12:40 AM (W+kMI)

462 Less Battle of Britain. Save those planes. Save that fuel. Save those pilots.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2022 12:37 AM (dNqv+)
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If the Tirpitz and Bismarck aren't built, how many trucks could Germany have? Think of the energy required to build those massive hulls, the guns, the ammunition for the guns, the fuel for those engines.

Stupid.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 15, 2022 12:40 AM (llXky)

463 Now Malone is pissed off at him (and rightly so, I don't what's wrong with Berenson). Infighting like this is not needed on our side, especially petty shit like this.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion



I like them both and now they are in a cat fight. Ridiculous.

Posted by: Sharkman at January 15, 2022 12:40 AM (8gxrg)

464 Luftwaffe should have been struggling with basic procedures in 1939, but they were actually better trained in mobile close-support than any of their adversaries thanks to Spain.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 15, 2022 12:09 AM (llXky)


Luftwaffe training was made mandatory for commercial (Lufthansa) spots, a lot of the pilots cycled through Spain were all relaxing and counting their days to when they could start flying in civvie street when WWII was started

Posted by: Kindltot at January 15, 2022 12:43 AM (ZMraq)

465 If the Tirpitz and Bismarck aren't built, how many trucks could Germany have? Think of the energy required to build those massive hulls, the guns, the ammunition for the guns, the fuel for those engines.

Stupid.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 15, 2022 12:40 AM (llXky)

Well. Yeah.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2022 12:43 AM (dNqv+)

466 It's easy to kick the Luftwaffe chiefs for neglecting a strategic bombing force, but there wasn't a Wehrmacht long-term strategy that would require extended-range bombers with heavy payload.

Posted by: exdem13 at January 15, 2022 12:40 AM (W+kMI)
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Correct. The UK had to use bombing because that was all they could do. It was mostly a morale exercise.

German strategic bombers would have been as wasteful as their surface fleet. More trucks! More rolling stock! Not as sexy, but it wins wars.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 15, 2022 12:44 AM (llXky)

467 Hitler had the Gneisenau scrapped. The ship remains still reside under a parking lot in Kiel.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2022 12:44 AM (1s9Ej)

468 exdem13

One of the UW leaders sounds as vicious as Hillary.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2022 12:45 AM (1s9Ej)

469 German strategic bombers would have been as wasteful as their surface fleet. More trucks! More rolling stock! Not as sexy, but it wins wars.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 15, 2022 12:44 AM (llXky)

Anna's point about u-boats is well taken. You do not try to do anything like challenge the British navy- but you can devastate british shipping.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2022 12:45 AM (dNqv+)

470 . I've recently been convinced by reading several books by Viktor Suvorov that the reason the Germans were able to surround and capture 5 million Russians in the first couple of months of Barbarossa and destroy the Soviet air force on the ground in the first few days was because Stalin was going to invade Europe on July 5, 1941. Well, that and meth, MG42 and 88 Flak.

Fortunately, Hitler was quicker. Otherwise, all of Europe might have fallen to the Commies in 1941-42.

Trouble with that scenario is that it is easier to defend than attack, so if the Germans mopped the floor with the Russians sitting there, the Russians would have been smoked even worse if they were attacking

Posted by: Azjaeger at January 15, 2022 12:45 AM (3/XaG)

471 Not as sexy, but it wins wars.

But those factories in the far off Urals.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2022 12:46 AM (1s9Ej)

472 But those factories in the far off Urals.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2022 12:46 AM (1s9Ej)
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Easier to reach in a truck than a horse-drawn cart, no?

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 15, 2022 12:47 AM (llXky)

473 454 Technically and in terms of industrial base and resources, the Germans were never on a serious path to the bomb. And emigres from other European countries played more of a role in both the theoretical/design and weaponization effort than German ones.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 15, 2022 12:34 AM (OTzUX)
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The Germans should have built less battleships and more trucks. No Bismarck, lots of trucks.

That's it. That's how they win the war.
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Hitler didn't understand that building a navy requires a lot of dedicated resources, and a lot of time. The Two-Ocean Navy that the USA would use starting in 1943 to drive the U-boats from the North Atlantic, support the various landings in Europe, and begin the serious dismantling of the Japanese defensive network started building in 1938. Its construction required port facilities ten times beyond what Nazi Germany could hope to muster. That being said, if Hitler had waited until 1942, the surface Kriegsmarine would have been double what it was in 1940, with both Bismark class BBs also available, with the "Plan H" ships on the slips, plus one fleet carrier and two light carriers.

Posted by: exdem13 at January 15, 2022 12:48 AM (W+kMI)

474 Easier to reach in a truck than a horse-drawn cart, no?
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 15, 2022 12:47 AM (llXky)

Fuel was always a problem one of the reasons they wanted the Caucus oil fields in the first place.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2022 12:48 AM (dNqv+)

475 Early British bombing efforts were amazingly weird. First they observed being civil, no bombing of private property. And the dropping of leaflets instead of bombs.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2022 12:48 AM (1s9Ej)

476 You know how the take-away from the Holocaust was, "Never forget!"? Yeah, well, that is my motto these days. Never forget your neighbors, relatives, friends, colleagues, fellow grocery store shoppers, et al who swallowed the fear porn hook, line, and sinker and were happy to threaten, coerce, fear, distrust, and wish harm to those of us who did not.
Posted by: RondinellaMamma. Donald J. Trump is our duly elected president. at January 15, 2022 12:17 AM (l0Cy4)


The Argentines said Nunca mas in the 80's about the dirty war and the hyperinflation, and it has only been 40 years for them

Posted by: Kindltot at January 15, 2022 12:49 AM (ZMraq)

477 Anna's point about u-boats is well taken. You do not try to do anything like challenge the British navy- but you can devastate british shipping.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2022 12:45 AM (dNqv+)
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There's an action-reaction element here, though. If Germany goes all-in on u-boats and doesn't build battleships, the British would have done some serious panic-building of escorts rather than going ahead with the King George V class.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 15, 2022 12:49 AM (llXky)

478 You are only outgunned if you miss.

Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at January 15, 2022 12:51 AM (h3zsb)

479 468 exdem13

One of the UW leaders sounds as vicious as Hillary.
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The mindset is very much the same. A thirst for domineering power combined with a lethal contempt for the undesired members of society. I'm seriously surprised Crunchyroll dared to touch it for streaming.

Posted by: exdem13 at January 15, 2022 12:52 AM (W+kMI)

480 Ploesti throughout the war, until total destruction by the 15th Air Force and occupation by the Soviets, never operated at full capacity. During Tidal Wave it was only using about 50% capacity.

Schwinefurt sounded logical, blow up the ball bearings. But the Germans learned they had plenty of reserve stock so never missed a deadline and then started to disburse the industry.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2022 12:52 AM (1s9Ej)

481 Germany's material disadvantage wouldn't have been fixed or even much altered if they had more vehicles and fewer capital ships. They bit off vastly more than they could ever chew, and they didn't expect to need to chew it all.

Germany's classic Bewegungskrieg (war of motion or movement) derived from the same fundamental situation - material inferiority requiring quick decisive victories. And the 1930s approach wasn't different. A quick victory over the USSR was *the* fundamental planning assumption, even more the strategic assumption, from the get-go.

Japan also never expected to defeat the US in a straight-up all-out prolonged war. Every stratagem was based on quick victories, "decisive battles", and a political settlement.

Leaving aside mechanization of ground forces, Germany was coming up against material hard limits as early as 1941.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 15, 2022 12:52 AM (OTzUX)

482 That being said, if Hitler had waited until 1942, the surface Kriegsmarine would have been double what it was in 1940, with both Bismark class BBs also available, with the "Plan H" ships on the slips, plus one fleet carrier and two light carriers.

Posted by: exdem13 at January 15, 2022 12:48 AM (W+kMI)
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At the same time, Hitler knew that the UK and France would also be rearming.

France had barely taken delivery of modern fighters by June, 1940. If Hitler waited a year, the whole aerial situation would have been far less favorable for him.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 15, 2022 12:53 AM (llXky)

483 One time in a volunteer gig, a local guy walks in with incredible items and photos from his father, who was Pappy Boyington's favorite mechanic. Cleaning out the garage.

Posted by: rhomboid



Vivid memory of sitting in a steak house in Bellevue WA in 2001 watching Duke beat Arizona in the National Championship game and at the table next to mine is an old man showing his grandson a photo album. Which was a hundred photos of the Lady Lex at the Battle of the Coral Sea. Incredible photos I'd never seen anywhere else. Planes taking off, Japanese planes bombing, Lexington exploding, sinking. Men in the water being rescued by destroyers. It was an amazing collection of photos.

The grandson was riveted by the old man's tale. When the game ended I put my hand on the old sailor's shoulder and said "Thank you for being out there in harms way for us" and his eyes just shined. I'll never forget that old sailor.

Posted by: Sharkman at January 15, 2022 12:54 AM (8gxrg)

484 475 Early British bombing efforts were amazingly weird. First they observed being civil, no bombing of private property. And the dropping of leaflets instead of bombs.
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That sort of half-assed strategic thinking is why the Chamberlain war cabinet dropped the ball in Norway, then got gobsmacked by the blitzkrieg. Plus the true brit heavy bombers were still being finished; it's hard to do effective strategic bombing with Blenheims, Whitleys, and Hampdens. When Churchill took over, the RAF was told to get to bombing strategic targets for real.

Posted by: exdem13 at January 15, 2022 12:55 AM (W+kMI)

485 Germany's classic Bewegungskrieg (war of motion or movement) derived from the same fundamental situation - material inferiority requiring quick decisive victories.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 15, 2022 12:52 AM (OTzUX)
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Key point here: Germany *did* defeat Russia in 1918. They had every reason to think they could do so again. People acting like it was a pipe dream are ignorant of history.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 15, 2022 12:56 AM (llXky)

486 Wow, getting late. I'm out.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 15, 2022 12:57 AM (llXky)

487 It was a weird exchange. I thought I was the resident Spanish Civil War obsessive, and yet he's got these talking points ready to roll. Odd.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 15, 2022 12:29 AM (llXky)


A lot of the older lefties, (and euro trained lefties) hold specific beliefs about Guernica. He hit them all, and even the "peaceful town with no tactical value" It is a Black Legend like colonialist crimes in the New World that even the Spanish believe.


Posted by: Kindltot at January 15, 2022 12:59 AM (ZMraq)

488 If the British had been one sooner launching their invasion of Norway it might have been a different ball game.

Or after the Battle of Narvik that saw the German navy lose half of its destroyers to the Royal Navy if the British had dug in and held at Narvik it would stopped the shipment of Swedish iron ore to Germany.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2022 12:59 AM (1s9Ej)

489 exdem13 with a key point - German rearmament had a master plan, but it wasn't calling for anything like general readiness for a major war anytime close to 1939. That was waaaay ahead of schedule. Why it started then is a whole nuther story, but the German military was essentially launched into action well before it expected to be. And the big shock came after the relief and surprise in 1940.

When You Know Who first broached the USSR thing with the top military, in December 1940 (think it was December), there was some shock and dismay. And it wasn't just the brass that was thinking that, essentially, the war was over, and won. Goebbels' diaries I think has a fair amount on popular uneasiness with Barbarossa (pin-drop silence in Berlin when it was announced, vs. raucous outpouring of relief and celebration in June 1940).

Posted by: rhomboid at January 15, 2022 01:00 AM (OTzUX)

490 Just like all the lies that surround Dresden.

The rail yards made it a target.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2022 01:01 AM (1s9Ej)

491 Key point here: Germany *did* defeat Russia in 1918. They had every reason to think they could do so again. People acting like it was a pipe dream are ignorant of history.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 15, 2022 12:56 AM (llXky)

And they came very damn close to doing it. Start earlier in '41. Get to Moscow and sever communication to the rest of the country? Stalin still decides to stay in the city? Level the fucker.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2022 01:02 AM (dNqv+)

492 Of course, the winter is still going to be a bitch.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2022 01:02 AM (dNqv+)

493 Sharkman, our own late rickl's father was a survivor of the Lexington sinking. One of those tiny specks in the famous photo of the guys lowering themselves off the flight deck.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 15, 2022 01:03 AM (OTzUX)

494 Anna, exactly, re Dresden.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 15, 2022 01:05 AM (OTzUX)

495 Well time to bail, oyasumi

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 15, 2022 01:06 AM (1s9Ej)

496 One of those tiny specks in the famous photo of the guys lowering themselves off the flight deck.

Posted by: rhomboid



I did not know that.

*hand salute*

RIP rickl's Dad. RIP rickl.

Posted by: Sharkman at January 15, 2022 01:06 AM (8gxrg)

497 482 That being said, if Hitler had waited until 1942, the surface Kriegsmarine would have been double what it was in 1940, with both Bismark class BBs also available, with the "Plan H" ships on the slips, plus one fleet carrier and two light carriers.
Posted by: exdem13 at January 15, 2022 12:48 AM (W+kMI)
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At the same time, Hitler knew that the UK and France would also be rearming.
France had barely taken delivery of modern fighters by June, 1940. If Hitler waited a year, the whole aerial situation would have been far less favorable for him.
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That's the cardinal difference between naval and ground warfare strategy. Naval strategy is the long game, limiting the enemy's means of supply and manufacture while threatening enemy ports and coasts with the perpetual threat of attack. With the short-term land strategy Hitler could roll the dice for an immediate victory and payout. By the Spring of 1940 he was riding high, and the Anglo-French-Belgian consortium was holding fast in "phony war" positions and waiting for the Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe hit them. It was the prolonged fighting in the USSR and the Med that busted Hitler's winning streaks.

Posted by: exdem13 at January 15, 2022 01:07 AM (W+kMI)

498 Eloy - Follow The Light

https://youtu.be/N7_rSNCZvlY

Posted by: flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at January 15, 2022 01:09 AM (SH2Zi)

499 Aetius, not sure they came that close to defeating the USSR. Even with the counter-factuals to help, still not likely. Aside from 2 days of popular chaos in Moscow in October '41, really no serious cracks in Soviet rule and order, even at the "darkest" moments of the war. Because it was a primal struggle, not a political one, for most.

Germany wildly under-estimated every important aspect of the USSR: industrial capacity, military potential, political control. They were stopped, and defeated, at Stalingrad before they were annihilated there. Their Caucasus push was stopped just before the point where it would have been untenable due to logistics.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 15, 2022 01:10 AM (OTzUX)

500 What sunk the 3rd Reich was two basic things. One, Hitler thought he had to beat the world in his lifetime. Germany had not even come close to building everything they could when they started the wat. Waiting another ten years may well have given them enough of a quality advantage to make up for the unavoidable lack of numbets. Doubt the West would have advanced so quickly in peacetime and the Germans were about 3 years ahead in everything but powerful piston engines. They just couldn't build it fast enough in wartime. Second, after conquering France, the Germans should have just stopped. Soviets weren't going to successfully invade, and England wouldn't have been able to by itself and wouldn't have been able to bomb Germany if Germany wasn't tied up in Russia. It would have been hard for FDR to get away with declaring war on Germany with the isolationist US public if Germany was just sitting in Europe. Without the Russian war Germany could have taken Africa and the Middle East easily. So it all comes down to Hitler being convinced he had to do it in his lifetime so the time had to be now.

Posted by: Azjaeger at January 15, 2022 01:10 AM (3/XaG)

501 491 Key point here: Germany *did* defeat Russia in 1918. They had every reason to think they could do so again. People acting like it was a pipe dream are ignorant of history.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 15, 2022 12:56 AM (llXky)

And they came very damn close to doing it. Start earlier in '41. Get to Moscow and sever communication to the rest of the country? Stalin still decides to stay in the city? Level the fucker.
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One of the biggest "what ifs" of WW II is Barbarossa launching as originally scheduled in early May 1941, with enough time to reach Moscow before the autumn rains brought everything to a near standstill for a month. Hitler felt obliged to rescue Mussolini from Italian follies in Libya, Ethiopia, and the Balkans, and that took precious time, resources, and troops, forcing a delay until mid-June. The blitzkrieg failed to reach Moscow in 1941 because assets were tied up in Greece and North Africa.

Posted by: exdem13 at January 15, 2022 01:18 AM (W+kMI)

502 >Oh Lord. Just saw this. Alex Berenson and Robert Malone were on some FOX News program today, and Berenson called Malone a liar about inventing the mRNA technology.

Now Malone is pissed off at him (and rightly so, I don't what's wrong with Berenson). Infighting like this is not needed on our side, especially petty shit like this.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at January 15, 2022 12:26 AM (Mzdiz)

I'd take a guy like Malone, with actual accomplishments to his name (even if there are quibbles about how to attribute them), over a twat reporter, every day of the week.

Sounds like Berenson's ego's getting just a bit too big. I'm not terribly surprised. I've been burned by some of his previous erroneous Substacks and learned not to trust him. Guess you can take the reporter out of the NYT, but you can't take the NYT out of the reporter.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen - anarcho-tyranny? you're soaking in it! at January 15, 2022 01:22 AM (mBL57)

503 >> Sounds like Berenson's ego's getting just a bit too big.

That's probably a big part of it. Ego can be a petty thing. Berenson just took a cheap shot, totally uncalled for.

Malone has responded on his Substack, and he's sort of getting down to Berenson's level, counterattacking. Me, I can't really say anything, because I can act a big nut myself when I'm "dissed".

Guys, we're on the same side here. Let your ego and the petty shit go. Concentrate on the actual enemy, and not each other.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at January 15, 2022 01:37 AM (Mzdiz)

504 Germany wildly under-estimated every important aspect of the USSR: industrial capacity, military potential, political control. They were stopped, and defeated, at Stalingrad before they were annihilated there. Their Caucasus push was stopped just before the point where it would have been untenable due to logistics.
Posted by: rhomboid at January 15, 2022 01:10 AM (OTzUX)

Honestly, I don't know. Stalin had concentrated so much power in his own hands. Everything was routed through him. Part of the muffed response to Barbarossa was due to the fact that he was not willing to accept/process that it was happening and no one dared do anything against him. Would taking him out allow someone sane and better to then lead the defense? I dunno. Would it have led to splintering with the monster and a lot of the party apparatus in Moscow being dead? Could the Nazis have done more to foster rebellion? Sure, but were they capable of that?

History is fun like that because you have no idea how the ball is going to bounce sometimes.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2022 01:37 AM (dNqv+)

505 Guys, we're on the same side here. Let your ego and the petty shit go. Concentrate on the actual enemy, and not each other.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at January 15, 2022 01:37 AM (Mzdiz)

Hey fuck you, buddy!*

*j/k

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2022 01:39 AM (dNqv+)

506 Great thread, WeirdDave -- I especially like the Russian one. No idea what it means, but I lol'd anyway.

Posted by: Pooklord at January 15, 2022 01:47 AM (WYLQs)

507 The "bomb" itself wasn't that hard to make, it was fairly straightforward once the eggheads crunched the numbers.

The "gun" design for example the type dropped on Nagasaki, they didn't even feel the need to bother testing. They knew it would work.

The problem was getting enough fissionable material. After serious effort of about a year, they had managed to produce a few grams. And they needed pounds. They built huge complexes at Hanford, and Oak Ridge, and cyclotrons and eventually figured out gaseous diffusion and were able to start producing it in quantity. In 1945 they only had enough material to make 2 bombs. General Groves insisted on building this huge solid steel container, ultimately never used, to contain the fissionable material at the Alamogordo test site to recover it, if the first test only "fizzled".

There was no way Germany was going to resource the industrial and electrical production necessary to make nukes, not a chance. Only America had the money and material to do it, and it took a long time and was a huge pain in the ass to get done.

Posted by: Common Tater at January 15, 2022 01:50 AM (PNCUr)

508
It does take some finesse to make a working nuclear bomb. The trouble is getting it to stay together long enough to release enough energy to make a big boom before it blows itself apart. That takes some work.

You can easily get a mass to go supercritical. You get a fizzle, a flash and lots of radiation and heat, but no big boom.

To get the boom, you've got to work on the details.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at January 15, 2022 02:05 AM (Mzdiz)

509 That's true of the implosion design. That was a huge technical hurdle, very problematic. Everything had to go off within milliseconds.

But again, they didn't even feel the need to test the gun design, it was that simple. They knew it would work. But it wasn't very efficient in terms of yield.

The whole thing was (mostly) an engineering challenge of actually getting the "stuff" that would go 'splodey.

Posted by: Common Tater at January 15, 2022 02:09 AM (PNCUr)

510 You also have to deliver the damn thing. It barely fit in a modified B-29 which was the most advanced bomber of WW2 and even then had problems that still needed to be engineered out (and superseded by jet propulsion).

Posted by: SFGoth at January 15, 2022 02:09 AM (KAi1n)

511
That said, after much study, we concluded that anyone with the know-how and skill could produce a working nuclear bomb, and the only way to stop it was to limit the fissionable materials.

Some time after the way, they did and experiment. They hired some physicists, chemists and engineers with the goal of reproducing a nuclear bomb. They told them, hey, yes we have it, but we're wondering if maybe there's a better way to do, so we want you guys to try to reinvent this wheel. We'll give you all the money and resources you need.

That's what they told them. The real purpose was to see just how easy or hard it would be for those with the knowledge and skill to do it. The actual nuclear weapons people at Los Alamos were watching the project like a hawk, to determine when they had a working design.

They soon did, and the plug was pulled on that project. That was when they concluded that the only way to keep nuclear weapons contained was to limit the fissionable material necessary.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at January 15, 2022 02:10 AM (Mzdiz)

512 In many ways, the medical community treated the general population with the same indifference of the Tuskegee syphilis experiments. They just let people die, withholding treatment and took notes.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at January 14, 2022 11:46 PM (7F9te)

They took notes on toilet paper, then flushed it. Pretty much.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at January 15, 2022 02:18 AM (Mzdiz)

513 Emerging from lurkmode, about to log off and sleep.

Been reading the WW2 discussion. Haphazard as the knowledge imparted is, I've had quite an education from the commenters, tonight on ww2 and on previous nights on other wars. 'Ppreciate the ejjimication.

Turning cold with a trace of snow by morning, they say. Can't complain too much; it's been a mild winter so far her in NE Okla.

Sympathy for Teresa in FW. Haven't seen our son & his wife and our two grandkids since Mom's funeral in August. Total lockout, no replies on email, voice, or text, with us or with son's siblings. Isn't just the covid wars, but that seems to maybe be part of it. We barely know our grandbabies. Pride-arrogance-stupidity is a terrible disease.

Well, that's my unlurky comment for the night.

G'night, Horde. Y'all be wonderful.
😴💤💤

Posted by: mindful webworker at January 15, 2022 02:25 AM (jueiQ)

514
Re the gun type "Little Boy" design. There was much disinformation about this worked. It wasn't until around 1995 that the true design of Little Boy was revealed. Before that, all accounts had the "gun" firing a projectile "plug" that went into a larger mass at the end.

Nope, that was a lie. The projectile was actually the larger mass, and the target was the smaller mass.

Yes, there was a lot of finesse in the gun type weapon, that wasn't known until 50 years later. Much disinformation was put out to keep the true design of it unknown.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at January 15, 2022 02:34 AM (Mzdiz)

515
IOW, the smaller plug into the larger core wouldn't have worked.

The design used two critical masses worth of U-235. The projectile mass itself was greater than a critical mass. You can read how all that worked, now.

No, the gun-type wasn't simple. It was only considered simple because of all the disinformation put out about it, which was all part of the game of anti-proliferation. :-)

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at January 15, 2022 02:37 AM (Mzdiz)

516 Yes, there was a lot of finesse in the gun type weapon, that wasn't known until 50 years later

You're still missing the point, badly. Yeah, they kept construction details out of Popular Mechanics.

That they didn't even bother testing the design, even though it had never been made, tells you everything you need to know.

All of the historical materials, interviews, books, scientists, they all say the same thing. The real trick was obtaining sufficient fissionable material. That's where all the money was spent, and it was a pain in the ass.

Germany could never have built bombs because of that fact alone. Not a chance.

Posted by: Common Tater at January 15, 2022 02:48 AM (PNCUr)

517
Everything you see published publicly about nuclear weapon design is lie. It's close to the truth, but it's careful disinformation desinged to eliminate critical details and send you down a rabbit hole that will result in failure if you tried to build one yourself.

One of my nuclear physics professors at Clempson Cow Colligde explained this to me decades ago. It's all disinformation.

Right now, we've learned a lot more about the gun-type device in Little Boy actually worked, after over 50 years of disinformation. But even then, I guarantee you there is still disinformation in there.

Every country who has working nuclear weapons knows this, and they do the same thing. They don't want anyone knowing all the critical details.

You try even a "simple gun type U-235" device based on public knowledge, it will fail. They put deliberate crap in there to fuck it up.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at January 15, 2022 02:48 AM (Mzdiz)

518
No, I'm not missing the point. I understand said point quite well. Nuclear weapons are not easy to create. It takes skill and finesse. And that is all kept close to the vest.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at January 15, 2022 02:51 AM (Mzdiz)

519 Speaking of The USSR in WWII, it might be worthy of considering just how much material support we gave them. How well would they have done against Hitler without all those White trucks and endless other made in America supplies?

Posted by: Weirddave at January 15, 2022 02:53 AM (sKs8Q)

520 Well if we were talking about anything other than "Could Nazi Germany have built Atomic Weapons?" I guess maybe you might have a point.

The point being, they didn't have the necessary industrial infrastructure for such a massive project. So the nuances of bomb design - that's all moot. The End.

Posted by: Common Tater at January 15, 2022 02:57 AM (PNCUr)

521 Hard to shlep katyushas by hand.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 15, 2022 02:58 AM (KAi1n)

522 TY for the ONT WD, I needed the good laughs, well done.

I've not read till now, what happened re: Teresa in FW and mindful ww, both mentioned serious family issues?

Posted by: Farmer at January 15, 2022 03:07 AM (55Qr6)

523 >>>And Weirddave Saw The ONT That He Had Made, And, Behold, It Was Very Good

Weirddave! The ONT That You Made Was Not Just Very Good, It Was Great!

Posted by: m at January 15, 2022 03:21 AM (hGIMd)

524 Weirddave! The ONT That You Made Was Not Just Very Good, It Was Great!
Posted by: m at January 15, 2022 03:21

Indeed m. Uplifting for me. So everyone has gone to bed already?

Posted by: Farmer at January 15, 2022 03:24 AM (55Qr6)

525 Mornin'
(sips coffee)

Posted by: Puddleglum at January 15, 2022 03:24 AM (sAmhv)

526 Literal mornin', figuratively woke up in the middle of the night.

Mornin'.

Posted by: Braenyard at January 15, 2022 03:33 AM (g34rg)

527 So, Pixie is embargoed until 4.
ONT is usually kaput long before then.
More like 2.

Posted by: Braenyard at January 15, 2022 03:36 AM (g34rg)

528 Pixy's up

Posted by: Braenyard at January 15, 2022 04:13 AM (g34rg)

529 babyfrogwave's twitter account suspended. Unsurprising.

Posted by: Patchy at January 15, 2022 09:37 AM (I/Pe0)

530 Union Bank Robbery painting is interesting. I assume the inspiration was the 1997 shootout in North Hollywood where two guys armed with several full automatic weapons robbed a Bank of America branch in North Hollywood. The cops shot it out with them--armed mostly with pistols. More than 5,000 rounds were fired in less than an hour. Twenty people were injured--the two robbers were dead. Some yo yo relative of the two perps complained that the cops let one of the robbers "bleed out" in the street. Jeez, I'm all broken up about that.

Posted by: GlendaleGreybeard at January 15, 2022 12:02 PM (cn6vO)

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