If They Can't Take Away Our 2nd Amendment Rights To Possess Weapons, They Will Take Away Our Right To Use Them In Self Defense

The year-long persecution of Kyle Rittenhouse is merely the latest and most compelling example of the multi-front war against the 2nd Amendment and every American citizen's right to keep and bear arms. The pro-forma weapons charges with which Rittenhouse was charged were a triviality, and it is entirely possible that they were brought incorrectly (or maliciously).

The real charges were the conflation of legitimate self defense with first degree reckless homicide. The message is clear and unambiguous; do not use your legal weapons in self defense, because the full weight of the law will be brought to bear.

The McCloskeys got a taste of that in St. Louis last summer, courtesy of a Democrat apparatchik who was so over-the-top with her charges and political rhetoric that she was barred from prosecuting the case...but the case was not dropped!

The strategy is smart and chilling. It is clear that the multi-generational drive to demonize guns and the 2nd Amendment has failed in the short term, with constitutional carry becoming more and more popular and the civil unrest fomented in part by the enemies of the 2nd Amendment has driven an unprecedented interest in guns as a defense against that unrest, especially since the government has demonstrated conclusively that it cannot and will not protect its citizens from violence.

So the next step is to make any use of a gun in self defense so incredibly expensive and potentially life-altering that people will think long and hard before acting in their own or their community's defense. Read Andrew Branca's excellent book for a sense of how difficult the defense of even a clear-cut case of self defense can be.

But it is entirely possible that the rapid breakdown of our legitimate legal protections by the progressive elite will yield unintended consequences. Imagine the Kenosha riots, but instead of Kyle Rittenhouse doing what he did, there were several hidden shooters whose goals were less noble. Instead of merely protecting life and property, perhaps they would be playing a more punitive role...well hidden and almost impossible to to discover.

Rooftop Koreans indeed...

Addendum: From Andrew Branca!

If anybody would like a FREE copy of our book, "The Law of Self Defense: Principles," just cover the S&H, I've set up a special free book offer just for the horde:

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--Andrew

Posted by: CBD at 12:00 PM

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Posted by: Skip's Phone at November 28, 2021 12:00 PM (2JoB8)

2 A vehicle motoring down people whose only sin is their skin color is "self-defense", maintaining your life in the face of felonious assault is patriarchial oppression.

//$oro$ DAs

Posted by: sven at November 28, 2021 12:03 PM (Lzpvj)

3 Thanks for the kind mention!

If anybody would like a FREE copy of our book, "The Law of Self Defense: Principles," just cover the S&H, I've set up a special free book offer just for the horde:

http://lawofselfdefense.com/ace

--Andrew

Attorney Andrew F. Branca
Law of Self Defense LLC

Posted by: Law of Self Defense at November 28, 2021 12:08 PM (HMC8i)

4 "...goals were less noble?"
I think protection of innocent people and their property IS noble.

Posted by: MkY at November 28, 2021 12:08 PM (Foq6I)

5 Guns, ammo, backhoe, lye.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 28, 2021 12:08 PM (BFigT)

6 The visual of Mrs. McCloskey in her pedal-pushers, with her left hand on her hip, gesticulating with her right hand holding the pistol in a limp-wristed grip (and is her finger on the trigger?) is not the image I would have chosen to make a case for the Second Amendment. But here we are.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 28, 2021 12:09 PM (m45I2)

7 First the Marxist sick the hounds out, then jail the population for defending themselves.

Posted by: Skip's Phone at November 28, 2021 12:10 PM (2JoB8)

8 Try defending your store from a mob and see where that gets you.

Posted by: f'd at November 28, 2021 12:11 PM (Tnijr)

9 We are all rooftop Koreans now.

Posted by: Eromero at November 28, 2021 12:11 PM (0OP+5)

10 I think Limp Wristed Grip used to tour with the Bee Gees.

Posted by: Just sayin' at November 28, 2021 12:12 PM (jYQlA)

11 True, f'd. But what if your best bud and neighbor defends it from 4 blocks away?

Posted by: MkY at November 28, 2021 12:12 PM (Foq6I)

12 Believe that was the point CBD was making. Hate to speak for him, though.

Posted by: MkY at November 28, 2021 12:12 PM (Foq6I)

13 "But what if your best bud and neighbor defends it from 4 blocks away? "

I no nothing.

Posted by: f'd at November 28, 2021 12:13 PM (Tnijr)

14 You've got to look at the bigger picture. As the West shambles toward oblivion the regional administrative districts (e.g. states in the US) are adopting either pro-citizen or pro-government stances and they tend to be very consistent. In other words, the states going for constitutional carry are also LOLGFing federal mask/vax demands and #TwoWeeks states are prosecuting self-defenders and encouraging the thugs to loot even more stuff.

So the people who live in shit states need to be SERIOUSLY looking into getting out of there because this stuff isn't going to just magically go away. The collapse was always going to be preceded by a period of mass migration as battle lines are drawn, that's what's happening right now. Choose wisely.

Posted by: CppThis at November 28, 2021 12:13 PM (UewuT)

15 So the next step is to make any use of a gun in self defense so incredibly expensive and potentially life-altering that people will think long and hard before acting in their own or their community's defense.

It is becoming increasingly evident that one's troubles have likely only begun if one survives a self-defense encounter. This is what happens when the rule of law is mocked and hijacked by nefarious forces.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 28, 2021 12:13 PM (Xrfse)

16 3 Posted by: Law of Self Defense at November 28, 2021 12:08 PM (HMC8i)

Dissecting shoots and researching precedents when these things pop up with you is one of the few things I miss about twitter Andrew.

Posted by: sven at November 28, 2021 12:13 PM (Lzpvj)

17
Hidden Kyle Rittenhouses doing what he did except from beyond CCTV and witnesses is absolutely noble.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2021 12:14 PM (s2VJv)

18 Why I chose the Gun is a great Ted Talk on YouTube

https://youtu.be/gHX5lAslnTc

I show it to all my limp twisted friends when they make anti gun comments

Posted by: Scottst at November 28, 2021 12:14 PM (nEDaf)

19 The government's repeated attempts to stop Trump, and their desperate cheating to keep him out of office, have convinced me beyond doubt: the government is the enemy of the people.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 28, 2021 12:14 PM (OU+8W)

20 And if there were a dead, bloody body by every pile of bricks, I bet there wouldn't be a big demand for bricks that night, either.
Just spit-ballin' here, you understand.

Posted by: MkY at November 28, 2021 12:15 PM (Foq6I)

21 Politics, as they say, is downstream from culture. Or is it the other way around?

One of the things that is notable about mid 20th century TV and Radio - was the preponderance of Westerns and Crime shows. The message was always clear - "vigilantes" were bad. Justice, law and order, could only be dispensed by government. "Taking the law into your own hands" was just not gonna fly. People were trained to believe this reflexively.

Anyone acting to the contrary were without exception portrayed as ignorant hick rubes with really bad southern accents. "I don't hold with that, Marshall. I'm a gonna kill him".

"You'll hang for that, Briscoe!" Etc.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 28, 2021 12:15 PM (5cCew)

22 The visual of Mrs. McCloskey [...] is not the image I would have chosen to make a case for the Second Amendment. But here we are.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 28, 2021 12:09 PM (m45I2)

Yes, for people who take guns seriously it is cringe-worthy, but in this case I think that perfect is the enemy of good!

It is in fact a right, and more important than the various privileges that Americans exercise with far less attention to proper use: driving, boating, drinking, etc.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2021 12:15 PM (Q9lwr)

23 17 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2021 12:14 PM (s2VJv)

If you are ever cornered into being interrogated by the FBI and know you are gulag bound anyway mock the fact they provide C3 for Antifa and hide the footage.

Posted by: sven at November 28, 2021 12:15 PM (Lzpvj)

24 leftists, being pod people, cannot grasp that those "not of the body" are individuals with agency who may do things the pod people do not expect.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 28, 2021 12:15 PM (llON8)

25 Heather From Alberta
@FromAlberta
The USA has no gun control at all.

You can buy a gun at a convenience store and carry it around with bullets in it.

They are the bottom of the barrel when comparing countries.

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I guess that's the 7/11 & .45 Convenience Store.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 28, 2021 12:15 PM (FVME7)

26 " Try defending your store from a mob and see where that gets you."

In Oakland, a security cop was recently killed by a looter. The cop wasn't even protecting the store, he was protecting the news crew covering the looting of the store.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 28, 2021 12:16 PM (jTmQV)

27 It will be taxes that really guys 2A. 1000% sales tax on guns and ammunition.And scotus will shrug and say yep it is a tax all good bruh.

Posted by: JoeXiDen - Lessko Brandon at November 28, 2021 12:16 PM (JPK1I)

28 Ha, ha. Channel-flipping and see I'm in time for the last five minutes of Prometheus!

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at November 28, 2021 12:16 PM (UHVv4)

29 BREAKING: "Judge In Ghislaine Maxwell Trial Issues Media-Wide Gag Order: All Press & Spectators Barred From Courtroom."

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Must be juicy but it'd just embarrass our betters.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 28, 2021 12:16 PM (FVME7)

30 19 The government's repeated attempts to stop Trump, and their desperate cheating to keep him out of office, have convinced me beyond doubt: the government is the enemy of the people.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 28, 2021 12:14 PM (OU+8W)

The nation formerly known as the USA ceases to exist. To the extent that even that government was benign is an illation. Government by its very nature is evil. The founders saw it as a necessary one and tried to construct it in a way that made it as unintrusive on our liberty as possible.

It was a republic, but we couldn't keep it. That is we couldn't keep it from being hijacked starting around 1913.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2021 12:17 PM (s2VJv)

31 I don't have a storefront anymore and never had insurance against a mob. There was a police precinct office right next door though, like that would have helped. Might have made it more attractive to attack.

Posted by: f'd at November 28, 2021 12:17 PM (Tnijr)

32 Believe that was the point CBD was making. Hate to speak for him, though.

Posted by: MkY at November 28, 2021 12:12 PM (Foq6I)

Well, you actually read the content, so I think I will cut you some slack!

Seriously, that is exactly the point I was making...thanks.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2021 12:17 PM (Q9lwr)

33 The visual of Mrs. McCloskey in her pedal-pushers, with her left hand on her hip, gesticulating with her right hand holding the pistol in a limp-wristed grip (and is her finger on the trigger?) is not the image I would have chosen to make a case for the Second Amendment. But here we are.
Posted by: Muldoon at November 28, 2021 12:09 PM (m45I2)

I would counter that it makes a great image, in that the Second Amendment is for all Americans, and not just those who train and practice for armed combat. She is an ordinary woman, and she and her husband are defending their property from marauders as best they can.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 28, 2021 12:17 PM (P3gRi)

34

30 illation = illusion

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2021 12:18 PM (s2VJv)

35 Now what's interesting now, and this is a conscious strategy, I guess, is despite the gazillions of dollars spent on national defense and various local, state, and federal law enforcement, is to just stand down and decline to prosecute. Surrender, and then arrest anyone for doing the job they refuse to do. Maybe it's a kind of pyhrric victory they will achieve. Monetary debasement and the collapse of large city states will render their cloward-piven strategy moot as warlords start drinking from the ivory tower academic skulls. There's a reason they'll put a wall around DC though not the southern border.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 28, 2021 12:19 PM (5cCew)

36 I want every fucking Louis Vutton and Prada store looted. You wanted this shit corporate America. Enjoy....

Posted by: JoeXiDen - Lessko Brandon at November 28, 2021 12:20 PM (JPK1I)

37 " last five minutes of Prometheus!
Posted by: andycanuck"

No spoilers! I haven't seen it yet.

Posted by: f'd at November 28, 2021 12:21 PM (Tnijr)

38 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 28, 2021 12:17 PM

There is definitely merit to your observation, IMO.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 28, 2021 12:21 PM (Xrfse)

39 Heather From Alberta
@FromAlberta
The USA has no gun control at all.

Sadly, Alberta has no scarcity of stunned cunts.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 28, 2021 12:21 PM (P3gRi)

40 I want every fucking Louis Vutton and Prada store looted. You wanted this shit corporate America. Enjoy....

Posted by: JoeXiDen - Lessko Brandon at November 28, 2021 12:20 PM (JPK1I)

I despise lawlessness, but the unintended consequences of corporate America's behavior is absolutely delicious.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2021 12:21 PM (Q9lwr)

41 British intelligence is a major behind-the-scenes player in the anti-gun movement. They are still trying to disarm the people centuries after Lexington and Concord. The same networks protect the gangs, keep them out of jail, and then cite their violence to justify disarming the common people.

Posted by: hyatt at November 28, 2021 12:22 PM (o3wF2)

42 To the average Canuckistani, you can buy a fully auto AK47 at Walmart, nobody has health insurance in the US and 1500 Black people are executed by the police daily.

Posted by: JoeXiDen - Lessko Brandon at November 28, 2021 12:23 PM (JPK1I)

43 Looting drives up the price of goods from retail operations. They have to pay for the damage and merchandise. Meanwhile the black market is able to sell at the the old retail prices.

Posted by: f'd at November 28, 2021 12:24 PM (Tnijr)

44 The visual of Mrs. McCloskey in her pedal-pushers, with her left hand on her hip, gesticulating with her right hand holding the pistol in a limp-wristed grip (and is her finger on the trigger?) is not the image I would have chosen to make a case for the Second Amendment. But here we are.
Posted by: Muldoon at November 28, 2021 12:09 PM (m45I2)

Pull up the vid of the Asian lady taking on 4 home invaders. She did nothing by the book except go on offense . She didn't even let go of her cell phone while taking in the thugs. One dead , one wounded , two arrested unharmed. She's kind of my hero.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 28, 2021 12:24 PM (iXJM1)

45 The Kyle verdict gave me a lot of hope, except for the fact that the case ever came before a jury in the first place.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 28, 2021 12:24 PM (jTmQV)

46 I would counter that it makes a great image, in that the Second Amendment is for all Americans, and not just those who train and practice for armed combat. She is an ordinary woman, and she and her husband are defending their property from marauders as best they can.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

*****

I get that point of view. I'm not saying the McCloskeys shouldn't be allowed to own firearms. But if I view that footage from the perspective of someone who is perhaps on the fence about private gun ownership, I'm not sure the flippant handling is going to give me a good sense. It would be like watching a YouTube instructional vid of operating a table saw by a man with a bloody stump of a hand. Gun is a tool. Responsible gun ownership is part of the equation.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 28, 2021 12:24 PM (m45I2)

47 Since I am not insane to pay $5k for a purse, the price effects on Prada bags will have zero effect on me.

Posted by: JoeXiDen - Lessko Brandon at November 28, 2021 12:25 PM (JPK1I)

48 The same networks protect the gangs, keep them out of jail, and then cite their violence to justify disarming the common people.
Posted by: hyatt at November 28, 2021 12:22 PM (o3wF2)

All the western nations. It's the New World Order, after all, and one can't have the peons armed for it to work.
Oopsie... that horse is out of the barn here in the US of A, and I'll bet there are more firearms in private yards (maybe not hands) in Australia than anyone realizes... by an order of magnitude. Maybe some other countries.

Posted by: MkY at November 28, 2021 12:25 PM (Foq6I)

49 Attorney Andrew F. Branca
Law of Self Defense LLC
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Thank you for the horde discount, just ordered a few copies for Christmas gifts.

Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs at November 28, 2021 12:25 PM (rahKx)

50 You can buy a gun at a convenience store and carry it around with bullets in it.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 28, 2021 12:15 PM (FVME7)

Well it would be stupid to carry it around without bullets. Duh Heather.

Posted by: Tami at November 28, 2021 12:25 PM (cF8AT)

51 nisi impunitatis cupido retinuisset magnus semper conatibus adversa

Posted by: Marcus T at November 28, 2021 12:25 PM (NbDm3)

52 She's kind of my hero.

Posted by: Just a side note

Have you got a link to that?

Posted by: Sharkman at November 28, 2021 12:25 PM (M8yB3)

53 >>> Imagine the Kenosha riots, but instead of Kyle Rittenhouse doing what he did, there were several hidden shooters whose goals were less noble. Instead of merely protecting life and property, perhaps they would be playing a more punitive role...well hidden and almost impossible to to discover. Rooftop Koreans indeed...

Does everyone now understand why our federal gestapos are utilizing surveillance drones wherever they deploy their paramilitaries? They are not there to protect you.

Posted by: banana Dream at November 28, 2021 12:26 PM (Psn3N)

54 No spoilers! I haven't seen it yet.
Posted by: f'd
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Apparently, it sucks according to the Horde just last week!

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at November 28, 2021 12:26 PM (UHVv4)

55 Well, I think I am going to fire up the car, and go visit a few local yard sales. Contrary to "Heather" you can't buy a gun in a convenience store here in AZ, and even a pawn shop requires a background check, but if I buy from a private party at a yard sale or swap meet, no paperwork is required.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 28, 2021 12:26 PM (P3gRi)

56 California has more people than Canada and stricter gun laws.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 28, 2021 12:27 PM (iXJM1)

57 If I am ever on a jury and a case of self defense with a gun comes my way the person will be not guilty. Takes only 1 to hang a jury.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at November 28, 2021 12:27 PM (oTuGd)

58 ...the rapid breakdown of our legitimate legal protections by the progressive elite will yield unintended consequences.

Frankly, I'm surprised that hasn't happened already.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 28, 2021 12:27 PM (axyOa)

59 At some point, probably during the next 3 years as the Democrats nominally control government there's going to be a state vs. federal crisis over something the feds have tried to institute and the state(s) want nothing to do with. It will start as a test of wills and end in bloodshed as the kickoff to CW-2. The pushing and shoving has commenced with mask mandates and vaccine requirements... which really are small potatoes in the grand scheme of things. Travel restrictions to and from "red" states are coming and that might just be the tipping point if it's not supply/financial related.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 28, 2021 12:27 PM (BFigT)

60 I don't have a storefront anymore and never had insurance against a mob.
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I am reasonably confident that most insurance policies for homeowners have exclusions for mob actions and war or insurrection as well.

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 28, 2021 12:27 PM (MIKMs)

61 "Since I am not insane to pay $5k for a purse, the price effects on Prada bags will have zero effect on me."

Now the $5k purse will be a bargain after inflation and looting drive the retail price to $10k.

Chinese knockoffs will still be a same a dozen though.

Posted by: f'd at November 28, 2021 12:27 PM (Tnijr)

62 Not just AZ. If you buy a gun from any business a background check is required. Federal law.

Posted by: JoeXiDen - Lessko Brandon at November 28, 2021 12:27 PM (JPK1I)

63 Gun is a tool. Responsible gun ownership is part of the equation.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 28, 2021 12:24 PM (m45I2)

Replace "gun" with "religion."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2021 12:27 PM (Q9lwr)

64 To paraphrase a line from Van Halen (Take Your Whiskey Home) - I think that we're headed for a whole lot of trouble.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 28, 2021 12:28 PM (Xrfse)

65 Does everyone now understand why our federal gestapos are utilizing surveillance drones wherever they deploy their paramilitaries? They are not there to protect you.
Posted by: banana Dream at November 28, 2021 12:26 PM (Psn3N)

Yes, I think we all do now. That's why you can't just set up your blanket and plink all night. It's dynamic, so you should be too.

Posted by: MkY at November 28, 2021 12:28 PM (Foq6I)

66 I often tend to indulge myself with thought experiments, just to see how society would react to a specific development. One I've been thinking about is the consequences of people (right or left) developing remotely fired rifles. IOW, a rifle could be prepositioned in a small space, one too small for a person, so the police wouldn't look there. The gun would be aimed and fired with actuators and a cell phone. If a group you didn't like was gathering on a corner, you could put a stop to that post haste.

We got a taste of that sort of thing with the DC sniper. l doubt it would end well for society at large, and I suspect it's coming.

Posted by: pep at November 28, 2021 12:29 PM (ZsR3z)

67 She's kind of my hero.

Posted by: Just a side note

Have you got a link to that?
Posted by: Sharkman at November 28, 2021 12:25 PM (M8yB3)

I'm still a half tard regard to tiny url.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 28, 2021 12:29 PM (iXJM1)

68 From the Daily Mail:

"Alabama man, 35, charged with having an 'attack squirrel' he fed meth and named 'Deez Nutz'."

The mug shots of both man and squirrel are just as you would expect, and I submit to you that the circle is now complete.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 28, 2021 12:29 PM (M8yB3)

69 nisi impunitatis cupido retinuisset magnus semper conatibus adversa

Posted by: Marcus T at November 28, 2021 12:25 PM (NbDm3)

I'm stumped. Two years of Latin is not enough.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2021 12:30 PM (Q9lwr)

70 My favorite part of the progressive attempts at taking out the second Amendment is when they think showing minorities carrying guns legally that conservatives or constitutionalists will freak out.
Sorry progs, disarming black people is your thing not ours... keep owning yourselves.

Posted by: Inogame at November 28, 2021 12:30 PM (NsDVl)

71 nisi impunitatis cupido retinuisset magnus semper conatibus adversa

Posted by: Marcus T

Easy for you to say.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 28, 2021 12:30 PM (M8yB3)

72 Replace "gun" with "religion."
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

*******

I'm not following your line of thought here.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 28, 2021 12:30 PM (m45I2)

73 I'm not sure the flippant handling is going to give me a good sense. It would be like watching a YouTube instructional vid of operating a table saw by a man with a bloody stump of a hand. Gun is a tool. Responsible gun ownership is part of the equation.
Posted by: Muldoon at November 28, 2021 12:24 PM (m45I2)

They didn't fire any shots. In fact, couldn't with one of the weapons, as it had been rendered inert for use in court. But they successfully drove off the mob.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 28, 2021 12:30 PM (P3gRi)

74 If you Google , Asian lady takes on three ( I said four) home invaders , you will see it

Posted by: Just a side note at November 28, 2021 12:31 PM (iXJM1)

75 "I am reasonably confident that most insurance policies for homeowners have exclusions for mob actions and war or insurrection as well.
Posted by: mustbequantum"

Probably not. I don't think I would try to defend a storefront nowadays. I'd just close it up of it got that bad. Once it comes to my home and surrounding property though, I will defend it.

Posted by: f'd at November 28, 2021 12:31 PM (Tnijr)

76 .. Imagine the Kenosha riots, but instead of Kyle Rittenhouse doing what he did, there were several hidden shooters whose goals were less noble. Instead of merely protecting life and property, perhaps they would be playing a more punitive role...well hidden and almost impossible to to discover. Rooftop Koreans indeed..

.22 LR bolt-action rifles, long barrels (Such as CZ-452 Lux/25in. bbl.), preferred. .22 LR Sub-Sonic ammo. Damn near as quiet as a "can".

Do NOT mount optics. Sensors in the drones can detect the metallics in on the multi-coated optics, and are tuned to find such optics in a crowded urban environment. One shot, then Escape and Evade. Maybe take up a well-prepared 2nd position and repeat, maybe not. Big thing is though, make good your Escape!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 28, 2021 12:31 PM (QzJWU)

77 This is infuriating. If the leftists pushing this theory of lawfare aren't careful, it could show up on their own doorstep. Unexpectedly.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at November 28, 2021 12:31 PM (jvt6t)

78 First, they came for the Prada but I had Louis Vuitton so I did not care.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at November 28, 2021 12:32 PM (UHVv4)

79 Insurance typically covers the building.

Not the contents. That's my understanding. And then, there's this lil ole thang called a deductible. Then there's the fact that despite rebuilding, what's to say the mob doesn't show up a year later and burn you out again?

There are still burned out buildings and boarded up blighted areas from the '68 riots littering the midwest.

Detroit was arguably the wealthiest city on the planet at one time. This shit has long lasting effects.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 28, 2021 12:32 PM (5cCew)

80 I'm not following your line of thought here.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 28, 2021 12:30 PM (m45I2)

Guns are a fundamental right, just like the free exercise of religion. We may not like how some people exercise their 2nd Amendment rights, but like religion, it isn't any of our business.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2021 12:32 PM (Q9lwr)

81 This might be the asian lady defending herself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N63-EzfwCpg

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 28, 2021 12:34 PM (jTmQV)

82 My home insurance covers $300k for contents. Which I have though is pretty fucking generous.

Posted by: JoeXiDen - Lessko Brandon at November 28, 2021 12:34 PM (JPK1I)

83 Now the $5k purse will be a bargain after inflation and looting drive the retail price to $10k.
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Look for those 'bargains' on websites touting designer goods.

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 28, 2021 12:34 PM (MIKMs)

84 Do NOT mount optics. Sensors in the drones can detect the metallics in on the multi-coated optics, and are tuned to find such optics in a crowded urban environment. One shot, then Escape and Evade. Maybe take up a well-prepared 2nd position and repeat, maybe not. Big thing is though, make good your Escape!

Jim

You sure about that? If you never turn your scope skyward, how do they see it?
Hell, I think optics are kinda required for what I envision some noble person doing.

Posted by: MkY at November 28, 2021 12:35 PM (Foq6I)

85 There are still burned out buildings and boarded up blighted areas from the '68 riots littering the midwest.
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Which is why the exclusions for mob actions and/or acts of war. Yes, that is a standard exclusion for homeowners policies in IL.

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 28, 2021 12:36 PM (MIKMs)

86 I'm sure business insurance has those policies, too.

But you gotta pay for it. You get what you pay for, if you're lucky. And I guarantee most people have a high deductible.

That's why "rooftop koreans" were a thing. Insurance is great, but nobody can stand to lose a years worth of income due to a mob.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 28, 2021 12:36 PM (5cCew)

87 Posted by: Common Tater at November 28, 2021 12:32 PM (5cCew).

Yup, commies like to excuse crime as being caused by poverty. But the cause and effect is 180 of that. When civil order breaks down and crime is ignored, wealth, and job creators will vacate that area and it will become a pit of poverty. Of course there are also other reasons for poverty than uncontrolled crime.

Posted by: PaleRider. Yay long weekend at November 28, 2021 12:36 PM (3cGpq)

88 Guns are a fundamental right, just like the free exercise of religion. We may not like how some people exercise their 2nd Amendment rights, but like religion, it isn't any of our business.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

******

So, an urban gangbanger defending his "turf" by randomly letting fly with a hail of bullets is well within his rights? What if one of those bullets kills a 9-year-old in a nearby house?

I'm all for individual rights, but with personal responsibility attached.

I don't think the comparison to religion is an apt one. I guess unless perhaps part of one's religion involves killing somebody. Then it DOES become our business.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 28, 2021 12:37 PM (m45I2)

89 "...unless perhaps part of one's religion involves killing somebody."

Ooh, infidel, your neck looks soft!

Posted by: Islam at November 28, 2021 12:39 PM (jTmQV)

90 loss of income is covered in the policy. And also there are riders for things like riots. It is like flood insurance. It is not standard but can be bought as an ad on.If you choose not to, well that is on you.

Posted by: JoeXiDen - Lessko Brandon at November 28, 2021 12:39 PM (JPK1I)

91 18 Why I chose the Gun is a great Ted Talk on YouTube

https://youtu.be/gHX5lAslnTc

I show it to all my limp twisted friends when they make anti gun comments

Posted by: Scottst at November 28, 2021 12:14 PM
I watched that. The one problem I see is that their is a big difference in what a country's (say, Afghanistan) 'people want and what their controlling 'theocracy' forces on them. And that is why a gun should be a right, and not monopolized by governments.

Posted by: Eromero at November 28, 2021 12:40 PM (0OP+5)

92 Send in the actuaries.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at November 28, 2021 12:40 PM (jvt6t)

93 During the Trayvon-Zimmerman show there was steady drumbeat about "stand your ground" being the problem though it was a simple self defense case. And the now common common political attack on any form of self defense being 'racist' (Hi Barrack). A state wide study showed that black citizens were the benefited more than whites . That is they had to invoke it more often and were successful (raw numbers and %).

Posted by: Kyle Shot First at November 28, 2021 12:40 PM (9o8EW)

94 [iYou sure about that? If you never turn your scope skyward, how do they see it? Hell, I think optics are kinda required for what I envision some noble person doing. Posted by: MkY at November 28, 2021 12:35 PM (Foq6I)

Those same sensors are also deployed on ground based vehicles. Look for the spinny-mirror on top of some tactical vehicles, and know that one of it's "ping" wavelenghths will be from reflections unique to multi-coated optics. Those things look outward (horizontal) and upwards, towards upper story windows and roof parapets. And then yeah, the drones up above look down, sandwiching us between sensors.

A deep enough lens-hood can contain enough reflection to prevent all but a full "looking straight at you" sensor from seeing your scope, but it's still a bit of a gamble.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 28, 2021 12:40 PM (QzJWU)

95 Guns, ammo, backhoe, lye.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 28, 2021 12:08 PM (BFigT)

Consider a deep lake or ocean access as well.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 28, 2021 12:40 PM (axyOa)

96 "Guns are a fundamental right, just like the free exercise of religion."
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2021 12:32 PM (Q9lwr)
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Armed felons are about the only people who really understand that. Almost everyone else thinks it's a privilege granted by other humans.

Posted by: Hold My Montrachet, I'm Off To Make Some Truffled Porcini Risotto at November 28, 2021 12:40 PM (qi/+I)

97 Our homeowner's insurance will cover a particular amount of money for the house contents. It's really nowhere near enough to replace everything if the joint burned to the ground. Should there be widespread looting and civil disorder and the joint gets torched I don't think there's any payout as that particular situation is not covered.

Sorta' like those mysterious "acts of God."

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 28, 2021 12:41 PM (BFigT)

98 The cost of insurance drives up goods too. The cost of looting is paid by the store's legal customers.

Posted by: f'd at November 28, 2021 12:41 PM (Tnijr)

99 Not to blame the victims, but....

The looting is almost always in shitty parts of town. If you own a building there and do NOT buy looting/riot insurance you are kinda nuts. Well you are nuts for owning property there to begin with. But that is a different story.

Posted by: JoeXiDen - Lessko Brandon at November 28, 2021 12:42 PM (JPK1I)

100 If I correctly understood what Georgia did, absolutely no one should be happy with how the Arbery convictions. Again, if I understood it correctly and any Georgians who view it differently, please correct me--it ended the right of "citizen arrest" and made that repeal retroactive and precluded that as a defense at the trial.

Obviously, a retroactive denial of a criminal defense is something totally appropos of an anarcho-tyranny like the United States has become. It is not something you associate with liberty or even basic human rights. Yet that is only the smallest part of the problem. This inevitably will be expanded by corrupt American prosecutors, which is most of them now, to claim any act of self-defense was a "citizen's arrest."

The upside to all this, as you point out, CDB, is that since citizens no longer have trust and confidence in the government, they will be pushed to act even more in self-defense and prone to confront State agents with extreme prejudice.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at November 28, 2021 12:42 PM (nMx88)

101 British intelligence is a major behind-the-scenes player in the anti-gun movement. They are still trying to disarm the people centuries after Lexington and Concord. The same networks protect the gangs, keep them out of jail, and then cite their violence to justify disarming the common people.
Posted by: hyatt at November 28, 2021 12:22 PM (o3wF2)

Got a source for this?

Posted by: Diogenes at November 28, 2021 12:42 PM (axyOa)

102 Give a man a gun and he can protect the family. Give him a 3D printer and gun print specs and the whole family can shoot even Beaver.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at November 28, 2021 12:42 PM (MB1Rv)

103 OT: probably already mentioned here, somewhere.

Sir Frank Williams, Formula One team owner and a very successful one, died at age 79.

Posted by: Puddleglum at November 28, 2021 12:43 PM (sAmhv)

104 Yeah, you can purchase a policy that will cover whatever you want. At a cost. And those costs are borne by the customer.

Anybody that talks about insurance with respect to riots and mobs is ultimately full of shit however. The End. As we've seen repeatedly on the television, the usual idiots.

You can't hand wave away mobs and riots by mumbling something something about "Insurance."

Posted by: Common Tater at November 28, 2021 12:43 PM (5cCew)

105 I'm all for individual rights, but with personal responsibility attached.

Concur. I would have no problem with a gun safety course being mandatory for purchasing a gun. (yes, I have them, and I've had the NRA course, and it's very important). Of course criminals won't take the course, but that's not the point. I'd like the law abiding gun owner to know how to handle one safely.

Posted by: pep at November 28, 2021 12:44 PM (ZsR3z)

106 Posted by: Muldoon at November 28, 2021 12:37 PM (m45I2)

I think it's a apt comparison. We also don't allow human sacrifice as a religious practice just as we don't allow gang bangers to do drive by shootings. We are talking about citizens being able to own a firearm and protect themselves with it within the law. Training and licensing is not a condition of that right according to how the amendment is written. Following a set of guidelines is also not a condition of religious practice.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 28, 2021 12:44 PM (iXJM1)

107 British intelligence is a major behind-the-scenes player in the anti-gun movement. They are still trying to disarm the people centuries after Lexington and Concord. The same networks protect the gangs, keep them out of jail, and then cite their violence to justify disarming the common people.
Posted by: hyatt at November 28, 2021 12:22 PM (o3wF2)

Got a source for this?
Posted by: Diogenes

This is whack!

Posted by: Alex Jones at November 28, 2021 12:44 PM (sAmhv)

108 A deep enough lens-hood can contain enough reflection to prevent all but a full "looking straight at you" sensor from seeing your scope, but it's still a bit of a gamble.

Jim

Thanks. There is also the fact that ideally that scope would be out of the range of current interest.
Pop-up lens covers? Maybe a blanket thrown over all?
Dunno.

Posted by: MkY at November 28, 2021 12:44 PM (Foq6I)

109 "I'm stumped. Two years of Latin is not enough.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2021 12:30 PM (Q9lwr)"

Read Tacitus. He's instructive in almost any situation.

Loosely translated he states, "The desire for safety stand against every great and noble enterprise."

My take, contextually, is that you should never let your own desire for safety overrule doing what is right and just.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 28, 2021 12:45 PM (NbDm3)

110 So, an urban gangbanger defending his "turf" by randomly letting fly with a hail of bullets is well within his rights? What if one of those bullets kills a 9-year-old in a nearby house?

I'm all for individual rights, but with personal responsibility attached.

I don't think the comparison to religion is an apt one. I guess unless perhaps part of one's religion involves killing somebody. Then it DOES become our business.
Posted by: Muldoon at November 28, 2021 12:37 PM (m45I2)
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Your illusions of safety dont strip another of their right to adequate defense of their life.

You are responsible for your OWN wellbeing at all times.

Posted by: Hold My Montrachet, I'm Off To Make Some Truffled Porcini Risotto at November 28, 2021 12:45 PM (qi/+I)

111 You can always increase the insurance payout. I did that with a house I own when I got insurance on it. It was way low and I talked to the insurance company and got the payout upped by 15% for a very minimal increase in premium. I also noticed it did not cover any fencing. So I got that covered as well for something like $3 extra a year.

Read those documents closely and make sure you are covered properly.

Posted by: JoeXiDen - Lessko Brandon at November 28, 2021 12:45 PM (JPK1I)

112 Just like I tell the gun control advocates, if you want to change the 2nd amendment to add mandatory requirements , there is a process to do so.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 28, 2021 12:46 PM (iXJM1)

113 One shot, then Escape and Evade. Maybe take up a well-prepared 2nd position and repeat, maybe not. Big thing is though, make good your Escape!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at November 28, 2021 12:31 PM (QzJWU)

Concur. Shoot and scoot. I'm up, moving, they see me, I'm down.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 28, 2021 12:46 PM (R/m4+)

114 Buy a shotgun! Buy a shotgun!!

Posted by: Presidentish Biden at November 28, 2021 12:46 PM (jYQlA)

115 >>> 112 Just like I tell the gun control advocates, if you want to change the 2nd amendment to add mandatory requirements , there is a process to do so.
Posted by: Just a side note at November 28, 2021 12:46 PM (iXJM1)

That thing is like a hundred years old and stuff! We'll do whatever we want, then what are *you* going to do?

Posted by: leftists at November 28, 2021 12:47 PM (llON8)

116 7 First the Marxist sick the hounds out, then jail the population for defending themselves.
Posted by: Skip's Phone at November 28, 2021 12:10 PM (2JoB

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You left out releasing convicted criminals to ensure that they don't get the sniffles in prison.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 28, 2021 12:47 PM (Rox1Z)

117 If you choose to operate a business in the hood and are not properly insured then that is on you. Sorry but that is just reality. It would be like owning a home in FL and not buying hurricane insurance. You may not need it this year or next or for 15 years. But eventually you will.

Posted by: JoeXiDen - Lessko Brandon at November 28, 2021 12:48 PM (JPK1I)

118 The McCloskeys fucked up taking a plea deal.

But absolutely any time someone pushes back on the Left's shock troops, they will attempt to ruin that person's life.

If you get in a situation like that, lawyer up, don't talk to the cops, and try not to be filmed.

Posted by: Blago at November 28, 2021 12:48 PM (PwNLq)

119 My experience online of British citizens is they have no idea of the 2nd amendment rights

Posted by: Skip at November 28, 2021 12:48 PM (2JoB8)

120 15 >>> 112 Just like I tell the gun control advocates, if you want to change the 2nd amendment to add mandatory requirements , there is a process to do so.
Posted by: Just a side note at November 28, 2021 12:46 PM (iXJM1)

That thing is like a hundred years old and stuff! We'll do whatever we want, then what are *you* going to do?
Posted by: leftists at November 28, 2021 12:47 PM (llON

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And the Constitution was written by dead white men. Kinda like the Communist Manifesto.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 28, 2021 12:48 PM (Rox1Z)

121 I don't think the comparison to religion is an apt one. I guess unless perhaps part of one's religion involves killing somebody. Then it DOES become our business.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 28, 2021 12:37 PM (m45I2)

I think that any preconditions on rights are a slippery slope. When exercising those rights injures another (like in your gangbanger example), then there is a cause of action, but absent injury, I think we need to be very careful when we restrict those rights.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2021 12:48 PM (Q9lwr)

122 Branca has a good write up of the video of the shooting video from Lubbock that most of us have watched now; his opinion (which I agree with) is that it's an instance where the shooter went way over the line, and should be charged with voluntary manslaughter (at least).

Point to remember: when you're carrying a weapon, you can't just shoot anyone who acts stupid and makes you mad. Self control, as in all things, is essential. (Kyle Rittenhouse was one of the most self controlled young men I've seen)

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 28, 2021 12:48 PM (evAgx)

123 Does everyone now understand why our federal gestapos are utilizing surveillance drones wherever they deploy their paramilitaries? They are not there to protect you.
Posted by: banana Dream at November 28, 2021 12:26 PM (Psn3N)

Yes, I think we all do now. That's why you can't just set up your blanket and plink all night. It's dynamic, so you should be too.
Posted by: MkY at November 28, 2021 12:28 PM (Foq6I)

Best way to defeat a drone is with another drone. Mega business bucks for the guy who can invent the mini radar to track targets.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 28, 2021 12:49 PM (axyOa)

124 "You can own a gun IF.....you jump through all the hoops I think you should...."

This is why this is even up for discussion. People want to control who is armed and who is not instead of focusing on their personal responsibility in becoming a gard target.

Dont care who you are. FUCK what you think about gun control.. ALL people have a right to defend THEIR life. No compromise on that. Just rat a bag of Dick's.

Posted by: Hold My Montrachet, I'm Off To Make Some Truffled Porcini Risotto at November 28, 2021 12:49 PM (qi/+I)

125 119 My experience online of British citizens is they have no idea of the 2nd amendment rights
Posted by: Skip at November 28, 2021 12:48 PM (2JoB

Britain and Germany are kind of in the same boat - all of the good ones came over here a long time ago.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 28, 2021 12:50 PM (evAgx)

126 119 My experience online of British citizens is they have no idea of the 2nd amendment rights
Posted by: Skip at November 28, 2021 12:48 PM (2JoB

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Brits think there are running gun battles - and rampant crime - all over the country. They do not grasp that both are almost entirely located in the (ahem) "diverse" parts of cities.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 28, 2021 12:50 PM (Rox1Z)

127 If we were talking about businesses not having an insurance policy, you might have a point.

It doesn't work the way people think, for starters. And this whole notion of "Who cares your business is torched, that's what insurance is for" is something only the retarded could come up with. Don't be fooled.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 28, 2021 12:50 PM (5cCew)

128 Democrats will never formally alter the Constitution because they don't need to. Just keep appointing left-wing judges and eventually it ends up being the same result.

Posted by: Blago at November 28, 2021 12:50 PM (PwNLq)

129 I still believe the safest places to ride this out are sparsely populated blue states and nonAA areas of cities. Texas ajd Florida are one election away from California. I see drones as bombers not snipers.

Posted by: Jamaica Queens at November 28, 2021 12:50 PM (b+v9B)

130 If we were talking about businesses not having an insurance policy, you might have a point.

It doesn't work the way people think, for starters. And this whole notion of "Who cares your business is torched, that's what insurance is for" is something only the retarded could come up with. Don't be fooled.
Posted by: Common Tater
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+1

No big deal if I rob a bank, FDIC covers it.

Posted by: Blago at November 28, 2021 12:51 PM (PwNLq)

131 I think that any preconditions on rights are a slippery slope. When exercising those rights injures another (like in your gangbanger example), then there is a cause of action, but absent injury, I think we need to be very careful when we restrict those rights.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2021 12:48 PM (Q9lwr)
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This is the way.

Posted by: Hold My Montrachet, I'm Off To Make Some Truffled Porcini Risotto at November 28, 2021 12:51 PM (qi/+I)

132 Just hook up a remote control to the sniper rifle.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at November 28, 2021 12:52 PM (MB1Rv)

133 I would have no problem with a ~~gun~~ religious safety course being mandatory for ~~purchasing a gun~~ practicing your religion.

Posted by: pep at November 28, 2021 12:44 PM (ZsR3z)

FIFY

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2021 12:52 PM (Q9lwr)

134 >>> 123 Does everyone now understand why our federal gestapos are utilizing surveillance drones wherever they deploy their paramilitaries? They are not there to protect you.
Posted by: banana Dream at November 28, 2021 12:26 PM (Psn3N)

Yes, I think we all do now. That's why you can't just set up your blanket and plink all night. It's dynamic, so you should be too.
Posted by: MkY at November 28, 2021 12:28 PM (Foq6I)

Best way to defeat a drone is with another drone. Mega business bucks for the guy who can invent the mini radar to track targets.
Posted by: Diogenes at November 28, 2021 12:49 PM (axyOa)

Aren't most, if not all, personal-use drones made in CHYna?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 28, 2021 12:52 PM (llON8)

135 129

Yep. I live in a small ish city with and we have had no issues since the blm looting began last year. Oddly enough nobody wears masks either.

Coincidence?

Posted by: JoeXiDen - Lessko Brandon at November 28, 2021 12:53 PM (JPK1I)

136 Free people dont need to ask permission.

Posted by: Hold My Montrachet, I'm Off To Make Some Truffled Porcini Risotto at November 28, 2021 12:54 PM (qi/+I)

137 I'm curious where the SC goes with the NY case.

My guess is someone like Roberts wants a very narrow ruling but the majority wants something more far reaching. Like mandating all states have "shall issue" instead of "may issue" gun permits.

NY and other blue states just keeps playing games like whack a mole, SC needs to slap all of this down for good.

Posted by: Blago at November 28, 2021 12:54 PM (PwNLq)

138 Brits think there are running gun battles - and rampant crime - all over the country. They do not grasp that both are almost entirely located in the (ahem) "diverse" parts of cities.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 28, 2021 12:50 PM (Rox1Z)

I don't know why they don't realize that. It's the same in their country.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 28, 2021 12:54 PM (iXJM1)

139 I'm all for individual rights, but with personal responsibility attached.

Concur. Hence the saying "An armed society is a polite society.". Carry a gun if yiubwish. You have the right to don so. But use it in an irresponsible way and you are liable.

Lefties hate this idea because for the most part, it works.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 28, 2021 12:55 PM (axyOa)

140 I think that any preconditions on rights are a slippery slope. When exercising those rights injures another (like in your gangbanger example), then there is a cause of action, but absent injury, I think we need to be very careful when we restrict those rights.

******

Well to clarify, let me restate my two main points-

1. The visual of the McCloskeys was a good look for making a case in favor of 2A rights.

2. - I did not say that the McCloskeys should not have a right to own guns or that there should be preconditions on their 2A rights. I'm just saying that gunowners have a moral responsibility to use their guns responsibly.

And I think I shall leave it at that.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 28, 2021 12:55 PM (m45I2)

141 >>> Best way to defeat a drone is with another drone. Mega business bucks for the guy who can invent the mini radar to track targets.
Posted by: Diogenes at November 28, 2021 12:49 PM (axyOa)

I think falcons could be trained to mess drones up pretty well. The key would be in protecting the falcons from the rotors. Talon armor of some kind? Somebody needs to get the guy with the meth attack squirrel on the horn and see what he thinks. But seriously I think falcons would work well.

Posted by: banana Dream at November 28, 2021 12:55 PM (Psn3N)

142 I'm not too worried cause I know in 2023, McCarthy will get to the bottom of this

Posted by: REDACTED at November 28, 2021 12:55 PM (us2H3)

143 I think that any preconditions on rights are a slippery slope.

This.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 28, 2021 12:55 PM (Xrfse)

144 The visual of the McCloskeys was NOT a good look

/fixt

Posted by: Muldoon at November 28, 2021 12:55 PM (m45I2)

145 When the guilty don't pay for damages.....well tar nation...who do?

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at November 28, 2021 12:56 PM (MB1Rv)

146 Does everyone now understand why our federal gestapos are utilizing surveillance drones wherever they deploy their paramilitaries? They are not there to protect you.
Posted by: banana Dream at November 28, 2021 12:26 PM (Psn3N)
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Bonus question: where is the drone footage from the 2020 BLM/antifa riots?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 28, 2021 12:56 PM (lHj+z)

147 it seems to me the best way to shut down a drone is some kind of jammer that could block signals between it and it's controller.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 28, 2021 12:57 PM (evAgx)

148 The visual of the McCloskeys was NOT a good look

/fixt
Posted by: Muldoon

No, it wasn't.

There was a guy on a busy corner near my house that held up a Trump flag with an AR-15 on his back.

I'm not kidding when I say that probably cost Trump the state. Guy was relentless.

Posted by: Blago at November 28, 2021 12:57 PM (PwNLq)

149 Bonus question: where is the drone footage from the 2020 BLM/antifa riots?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 28, 2021 12:56 PM (lHj+z)

in a box on top of the Ark of the Covenant.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 28, 2021 12:57 PM (evAgx)

150 My point is twofold

1. If you operate a business in a dangerous area, you are taking on that risk. That is on you.

2. If you are taking on that risk get yourself insured up the ying Yang.

The looters are pieces of shit but if you play with fire and get burned ( literally and figuratively) dont come crying to me about it. If you put a store in the middle of the hood what the fuck do you expect will happen? You made a risk reward calculation and thought the cheaper land was worth the risk.

Posted by: JoeXiDen - Lessko Brandon at November 28, 2021 12:57 PM (JPK1I)

151 Safety is intoxicating.

Posted by: Patriot Act at November 28, 2021 12:58 PM (KgzRF)

152 Union Square isn't "the hood".
Or it wasn't until recently...

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 28, 2021 12:59 PM (jTmQV)

153 >>> 150 My point is twofold

1. If you operate a business in a dangerous area, you are taking on that risk. That is on you.

2. If you are taking on that risk get yourself insured up the ying Yang.

The looters are pieces of shit but if you play with fire and get burned ( literally and figuratively) dont come crying to me about it. If you put a store in the middle of the hood what the fuck do you expect will happen? You made a risk reward calculation and thought the cheaper land was worth the risk.
Posted by: JoeXiDen - Lessko Brandon at November 28, 2021 12:57 PM (JPK1I)

Yeah, that would work, if only things never changed. See Detroit, for starters. Also, which parts of Minneapolis that got torched would you call the hood? Which parts of Chicago or SF which have had flash mobs are the hood? The commies are working on trashing *everything*.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 28, 2021 01:00 PM (llON8)

154 If the photo of the Mcloskeys didn't crop out the mob they were confronting in the front of their house it would have been the greatest photo to support the 2nd amendment.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 28, 2021 01:00 PM (iXJM1)

155 It doesn't work the way people think, for starters. And this whole notion of "Who cares your business is torched, that's what insurance is for" is something only the retarded could come up with. Don't be fooled.
Posted by: Common Tater
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And if the rioters/ looters/ arsonists have life insurance, then ...

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 28, 2021 01:00 PM (lHj+z)

156 If one has a personal protection weapon such as an AR-15, or any other modern sporting rifle, or anything with a Piccatinny rail, the best attachment is a shovel. And a closed mouth.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 28, 2021 01:00 PM (C1Lsn)

157 Those gov. drones are mil-spec, not consumer types you buy at Costco.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 28, 2021 01:00 PM (jTmQV)

158 Charlie Brown's Dildo is firing on all cylinders today.
Fire.

Posted by: Hold My Montrachet, I'm Off To Make Some Truffled Porcini Risotto at November 28, 2021 01:00 PM (qi/+I)

159 Did somebody call?

Posted by: Infidel at November 28, 2021 01:01 PM (LZkdC)

160 I would consider that McCloskey photo my finest work.

Posted by: MFM Photographer at November 28, 2021 01:01 PM (Xrfse)

161 Protecting "their communities".

Well, that's the point. It's not "their" community, or yours, in many cases.

It's just people living around each other. Mostly what the "country" is now. It's reflected in every major element of decline.

A pathetic mass of compliant ignorant sheep? Sure. Mostly (see 2020 - present day). But that's not a community, and it certainly isn't one for people exhibiting historic, legacy American traits.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 28, 2021 01:02 PM (OTzUX)

162 >>> 157 Those gov. drones are mil-spec, not consumer types you buy at Costco.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 28, 2021 01:00 PM (jTmQV)

Right, even if *those* aren't made by CHYna (only 98% of the components?) I meant I thought anything a schmoe could get is made by them.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 28, 2021 01:02 PM (llON8)

163 Yeah, that would work, if only things never changed. See Detroit, for starters. Also, which parts of Minneapolis that got torched would you call the hood? Which parts of Chicago or SF which have had flash mobs are the hood? The commies are working on trashing *everything*.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 28, 2021 01:00 PM (llON

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Good point. As I've mentioned previously, medical schools in the Northeast and Atlantic seaboard are in crappy areas that when the schools were founded were actually tony areas. Until the areas became "diverse."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 28, 2021 01:02 PM (SQSVN)

164 I'm just saying that gunowners have a moral responsibility to use their guns responsibly.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 28, 2021 12:55 PM (m45I2)

Then you and I are in absolute agreement.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2021 01:02 PM (Q9lwr)

165 Yeah, and as far as counter-drone drones go, there is a feature in every drone, which will defeat this concept.

Geo-Fencing. Just like the electronics and GPS won't let your drone fly into an airport area, the Feds can quickly program a Geo-Fence around a "troubled" area, and just like that, your drone is a brick. (theirs though, have different lines of code and can fly happy as a lark)

Someone needs to "obtain" a Feddle Drone, and reverse-engineer the Geo Fencing exclusion code, along with developing the means to upload such to the Great Unwashed Drones of the Masses.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 28, 2021 01:02 PM (QzJWU)

166 Kyle shouldn't have been there. He's just a kid. Poor parenting. None of his business. Should've stayed home. Should have left it to duly empowered authorities. Also, I'm unfit for citizenship. Being a subject is more my speed. Why does my ass hurt? Weird.

Posted by: A Cunt at November 28, 2021 01:03 PM (0ktEh)

167 sihks, pakis and amigos won't burn down their hoods. If you want to wreck a drone, use a model airplane or drone with a length of BX cable or kevlar trailing behind.

Posted by: Jamaica Queens at November 28, 2021 01:03 PM (b+v9B)

168 The Rittenhouse charges and case are SUCH a litmus test. I have tripped over countless anti-gun twitterers saying Rittenhouse should have been found guilty of murder. I don't see how we bridge that gap.

Posted by: m at November 28, 2021 01:03 PM (fVJPF)

169 153

Sure things change over time. What was once a nice safe area can change to a shithole. Happens all the time. And those business owners who choose to stay are incurring that risk by staying in the same place as the surrounding area turns to shit.

I dunno I just get tired of treating the business owners as some type of helpless victims who one day realized they operated in a war zone out of the blue. That shit slowly happens over time. And they could have left but chose not to.

Posted by: JoeXiDen - Lessko Brandon at November 28, 2021 01:04 PM (JPK1I)

170 Posted by: JoeXiDen

Ok Judgey McJudgerson

Sorry we aren't all perfect like you are. With ample money to live in a perfect place, act in accordance with your standards and watch only approved programs.

Yes. I chose to stay in Seattle. It's my home and I love it here. Does this mean I deserve to be burned out of my home and lose everything I've worked for?

Get off the stage. You bore me.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 28, 2021 01:04 PM (U2p+3)

171 Proud Boys terrorize Long Island shoppers: Dozens of far-right group members march through village flashing white power signs and blasting music

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Yeah, they're not mostly peaceful like Antifa and BLM. See video.

https://bit.ly/3liX0iH

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 28, 2021 01:04 PM (FVME7)

172 it seems to me the best way to shut down a drone is some kind of jammer that could block signals between it and it's controller.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 28, 2021 12:57 PM (evAgx)

In some circumstances this would work. But most drones can be programmed to accomplish different tasks with loss of signal. So it may still be collecting and sending data even if operating autonomously. Then the issue is to jam the controller and that gets harder.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 28, 2021 01:05 PM (axyOa)

173 union square manhattan is white with easy outside access and lots of insured retail.

Posted by: Jamaica Queens at November 28, 2021 01:05 PM (b+v9B)

174 It's the gun thread before the gun thread before the food thread that is before the gun thread.

Posted by: Skip at November 28, 2021 01:05 PM (2JoB8)

175 >>> 171 Proud Boys terrorize Long Island shoppers: Dozens of far-right group members march through village flashing white power signs and blasting music

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Yeah, they're not mostly peaceful like Antifa and BLM. See video.

https://bit.ly/3liX0iH
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 28, 2021 01:04 PM (FVME7)

1) Stenographers are retards
2) How many pants would have been browned if these "terrifying" dozens had chosen to do even half of what the approved mobs have done?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 28, 2021 01:06 PM (llON8)

176 One article I remember reading in a gun magazine in like the 90's from a self-defense legal expert was don't buy a "tactical" looking weapon for that purpose. Buy like a wood stock shotgun, much easier if you are ever in a court room.

I know we "shouldn't" have to do this, but I think it's good advice.

Had Rittenhouse had like a Mini 14 instead of an AR-15, I bet we wouldn't have even heard of the case. Same with the the McCloskeys. Had they had a pump shotgun, we wouldn't have known about it.

I own an AR-15, but its about the last gun I'd reach for defending my home anyway.

Posted by: Blago at November 28, 2021 01:06 PM (PwNLq)

177 Proud Boys terrorize Long Island shoppers: Dozens of far-right group members march through village flashing white power signs and blasting music ----

Hah , guaranteed there were no white lower signs being flashed. The Left have to lie even when it's not necessary .

Posted by: Just a side note at November 28, 2021 01:06 PM (iXJM1)

178 My wife is Latina.... She's an immigrant....
We could dave a ton of money living in a more "diverse" area.
She refuses....because in her home country... They are still used to calling things by their proper names without being crucified for it.
Resultantly we pay substantially more.. .to live with less "diversity."

I wonder why it's more expensive. Maybe it's because she's not wrong.

Posted by: Hold My Montrachet, I'm Off To Make Some Truffled Porcini Risotto at November 28, 2021 01:07 PM (qi/+I)

179 >>> it seems to me the best way to shut down a drone is some kind of jammer that could block signals between it and it's controller.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 28, 2021 12:57 PM (evAgx)

All that exists already. You are not allowed to own it. There are federal laws against using that stuff. The govt is very loose in defining what an aircraft is and there are laws against shooting or interfering in any way with aircraft. In almost every case the feds will say yep that was an aircraft by law. So if neighbor boy is using a drone to look in your daughter's window at night you can't just go shooting it down.

So how do some groups have drone shoots where you blast drones fitted with tannerite targets and not get shut down? I don't know.

Posted by: banana Dream at November 28, 2021 01:07 PM (Psn3N)

180 170

I love how people here talk about taking responsibility for their actions. Well except if it is your actions. Stay in Seattle, I really dont care. But then dont complain when the rioting happens outside your doorstep.

I saw this thing on YiuTube about a nabe in Portland. A homeless encampment was across the street and the neighbors were upset that the city wasnt doing anything about it. All I could do was LOLGF. You choose to live in the most progressive city in the country and then are mad that the city is..... progressive?

Posted by: JoeXiDen - Lessko Brandon at November 28, 2021 01:08 PM (JPK1I)

181 If we were to HIDE the photos of the McCloskeys exercising their 2nd amendment rights, we could justly be accused of cherry-picking and putting the non-photogenic under wraps.

Posted by: m at November 28, 2021 01:08 PM (fVJPF)

182 I want every fucking Louis Vutton and Prada store looted. You wanted this shit corporate America. Enjoy....

--

Raided by a bunch of Kredit Kardashians. They literally broke the law so they could look rich when they go to Dollar Tree to get toothpaste. I like this shit even more when they raid the Apple store

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at November 28, 2021 01:08 PM (h1jJh)

183 Someone needs to "obtain" a Feddle Drone, and reverse-engineer the Geo Fencing exclusion code, along with developing the means to upload such to the Great Unwashed Drones of the Masses.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Probably get one cheap in the market in Kabul.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 28, 2021 01:08 PM (axyOa)

184 Rittenhouse has stated he wished he had carried a handgun instead but he wasn't allowed to.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 28, 2021 01:09 PM (iXJM1)

185 The gun would be aimed and fired with actuators and a cell phone. If a group you didn't like was gathering on a corner, you could put a stop to that post haste."

There's not much difference between that and the car bombs that the jihadi's used in Iraq, is there? A remote weapon is a remote weapon.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 28, 2021 01:10 PM (evAgx)

186 Bet the " Proud Boys" are a false flag Antifa operation.
Any arrested?
If not there is my proof.

Posted by: Skip at November 28, 2021 01:12 PM (2JoB8)

187 If you don't have a right to defend your individual existence when it's threatened, then you don't have a right to exist, and the state can arbitrarily decide who lives and who dies. This is exactly where the Left is going, and where they want to end up.

Posted by: Socratease at November 28, 2021 01:12 PM (oqnjT)

188 I didn't see any burned buildings.

Posted by: Infidel at November 28, 2021 01:12 PM (LZkdC)

189 I have tripped over countless anti-gun twitterers saying Rittenhouse should have been found guilty of murder. I don't see how we bridge that gap.

Well, it's Twatter. Not wise to have any faith in what gets crapped out of that digital orifice.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 28, 2021 01:12 PM (Xrfse)

190 Branca has a good write up of the video of the shooting video from Lubbock that most of us have watched now; his opinion (which I agree with) is that it's an instance where the shooter went way over the line, and should be charged with voluntary manslaughter (at least).

Point to remember: when you're carrying a weapon, you can't just shoot anyone who acts stupid and makes you mad. Self control, as in all things, is essential. (Kyle Rittenhouse was one of the most self controlled young men I've seen)
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 28, 2021 12:48 PM (evAgx)
*********
I watched that video several times and I agree that the boyfriend needs to be charged.
The ex-wife is going to have to live with the fact that she is responsible for the death of her son's father by her stupid game playing. When her son see's that video, and he will one day, he will blame her for the rest of his life.

Posted by: redridinghood at November 28, 2021 01:13 PM (NpAcC)

191 1.5 million people live in Nassau county, LI, so finding 20 guys to march isn't hard.

Posted by: Jamaica Queens at November 28, 2021 01:13 PM (b+v9B)

192 I see black women with LV bags on flights all the time. And chuckle when they are in
seat 27B, flying Delta on a super discounted fare in the middle seat with a $2700 carry on bag.

People are so fucking retarded some times. Well many times.

Posted by: JoeXiDen - Lessko Brandon at November 28, 2021 01:13 PM (JPK1I)

193 There's not much difference between that and the car bombs that the jihadi's used in Iraq, is there? A remote weapon is a remote weapon.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 28, 2021 01:10 PM (evAgx)

I for one never thought IED's were 'wrong or unfair' as a military weapon. Just needed to find a way to defeat them and get the people who were making them.

Used as a terrorist weapon to kill innocent civilians is a different story as with any weapon used to do so.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 28, 2021 01:14 PM (iXJM1)

194 Someone needs to "obtain" a Feddle Drone, and reverse-engineer the Geo Fencing exclusion code, along with developing the means to upload such to the Great Unwashed Drones of the Masses.

I have an old DJI (Chinese) drone that uses geo-fencing. It's part of the drone control app that runs on a smart phone. GPS is how they do it. I'm near a military installation and whenever I fly it I get a warning. But, yea... there's gotta' be a way to re-code the software to eliminate that shit.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 28, 2021 01:14 PM (BFigT)

195 But it is entirely possible that the rapid breakdown of our legitimate legal protections by the progressive elite will yield unintended consequences. Imagine ... several hidden shooters.... ...well hidden and almost impossible to to discover.

Posted by: CBD at 12:00 PM

I had made that point to Mrs Cop a couple of weeks ago.

That is the lesson being taught.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at November 28, 2021 01:14 PM (pJWtt)

196 Progressive doesn't equal homeless encampments in most neighborhoods.

Even the progressives have admitted their policies have led to this. The new Seattle mayor was elected on a platform of public safety, increasing police funding and dismantling homeless camps.

Then at his first press conference he said his top priority was diversity and inclusiveness.
*bangs head*

But. Admitting the failure of these policies is the first step.
And when did you hear me complain? I state the facts.

Did you get to stand in the rain with your neighbors
Last night And listen to caroling from a ship out in the Sound? It was beautiful.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 28, 2021 01:14 PM (U2p+3)

197 187 If you don't have a right to defend your individual existence when it's threatened, then you don't have a right to exist, and the state can arbitrarily decide who lives and who dies.
Posted by: Socratease at November 28, 2021 01:12 PM (oqnjT)

Amen.
Sad.

Posted by: m at November 28, 2021 01:15 PM (fVJPF)

198 " I have tripped over countless anti-gun twitterers saying Rittenhouse should have been found guilty of murder. I don't see how we bridge that gap."
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This country doesn't end in one piece.
Libertarian
Right
Left
Ethnic pockets.
Anything but "United."

Posted by: Hold My Montrachet, I'm Off To Make Some Truffled Porcini Risotto at November 28, 2021 01:15 PM (qi/+I)

199 Posted by: Socratease at November 28, 2021 01:12 PM (oqnjT).

And we are already way closer than most people think. How many states have assisted suicide laws now? How short of a jump is it from that to Netherlands euthanasia if the state decides your quality of life sucks and it would be a kindness to snuff you?

Posted by: PaleRider. Yay long weekend at November 28, 2021 01:15 PM (3cGpq)

200 In Germany they won't euthanize you unless you are vaccinated.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 28, 2021 01:15 PM (jTmQV)

201 May be time to look at 81mm or 60mm mortars.

Get a van, cut a hole in the roof, 3 or 4 rounds FFE, move, repeat.

Doesn't Hillary have a used van for sell?

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 28, 2021 01:16 PM (R/m4+)

202 Imagine the Kenosha riots, but instead of Kyle Rittenhouse doing what he did, there were several hidden shooters whose goals were less noble.

Less noble indeed.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 28, 2021 01:16 PM (MLw1k)

203 If private parties start undertaking their own illegal shoot-on-sight response to riots, the consequences won't be good.

Sure, the riot in question will lose its steam (or shift area, a bit).

But the additional impetus to anti-gun hysteria and bigotry would be immense. There's your consequence. Unintended perhaps but pernicious.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 28, 2021 01:16 PM (OTzUX)

204 I bought 3 Thompson Submachine guns from my neighbor down the street...20 bucks apiece, same as in town.

Posted by: Idahonian at November 28, 2021 01:17 PM (hD2j4)

205 Posted by: Idahonian at November 28, 2021 01:17 PM (hD2j4). thanks for the belly laugh

Posted by: PaleRider. Yay long weekend at November 28, 2021 01:18 PM (3cGpq)

206 In Germany they won't euthanize you unless you are vaccinated.

That seems like pointing the vax incentives in the wrong direction.

Posted by: Socratease at November 28, 2021 01:19 PM (oqnjT)

207 The McMichaels/Auberry case is another example of the attack on 2A that too many on "our side" seem to be cheering for. /smh

Posted by: VAR1ABLE at November 28, 2021 01:19 PM (4iZNB)

208 I own an AR-15, but its about the last gun I'd reach for defending my home anyway.

Gotta respectfully disagree. If I'm defending home and hearth, the very first thing I am going to consider is the utility and effectiveness of the weapon choice. The very last thing I am going to be considering is if a jury is going to think that it looks scary.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 28, 2021 01:19 PM (Xrfse)

209 If you don't have a right to defend your individual existence when it's threatened, then you don't have a right to exist, and the state can arbitrarily decide who lives and who dies. This is exactly where the Left is going, and where they want to end up.
Posted by: Socratease at November 28, 2021 01:12 PM (oqnjT)
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I agree with you. I'd make sure to include the Right in that group as well. In fact... The National Forearms Act was passed by the Right.
Both sides just want control over WHO is armed.... That's important to note.

Posted by: Hold My Montrachet, I'm Off To Make Some Truffled Porcini Risotto at November 28, 2021 01:19 PM (qi/+I)

210 Branca's appearance on Tim Pool was also instructive.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 28, 2021 01:20 PM (EZebt)

211 RE: McCloskey's, the Mrs KNEW her pistol was just for show, had no intentions other than that. It had been purchased and rendered inert for use in a prior court case.
Also...It should mentioned any time THEY are mentioned, that they had already called 911 about people attempting to breach the locked side gate into the gated community and were told that no police were available, they were guarding the main gate, and the Mayors personal residence a block or so away... It's similar to "Not enough border agents at the Rio Grande, because they have been deployed to Kansas"

Posted by: Birddog at November 28, 2021 01:20 PM (uAI4S)

212 Who cares what the Brits think?

Posted by: Just wondering at November 28, 2021 01:21 PM (jYQlA)

213 The McMichaels/Auberry case, I followed that one a bit, and there was a proceeding whereas the defendants were disallowed the citizen's arrest argument. Nate the lawyer was commenting on it as it happened.
As soon as that ruling hit, I knew those guys were going to prison.
I think they get sentenced soon, maybe tomorrow.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 28, 2021 01:21 PM (jTmQV)

214 In Germany they won't euthanize you unless you are vaccinated. -----

Well according to the Karens you can kill two birds with one stone by just being unvaccinated.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 28, 2021 01:22 PM (iXJM1)

215 Never quite got a carbine for home close quarters, think a 1911 would be better, that's my opinion.

Posted by: Skip at November 28, 2021 01:22 PM (2JoB8)

216 But it is entirely possible that the rapid breakdown of our legitimate legal protections by the progressive elite will yield unintended consequences. Imagine ... several hidden shooters.... ...well hidden and almost impossible to to discover.

The day the media discovered just how pissed off America is.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 28, 2021 01:22 PM (axyOa)

217 215 Never quite got a carbine for home close quarters, think a 1911 would be better, that's my opinion.
Posted by: Skip

*perks up*

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 28, 2021 01:23 PM (U2p+3)

218 I hate that the MSM still pushing Aubrey was just a jogger.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 28, 2021 01:24 PM (iXJM1)

219 ... I like this shit even more when they raid the Apple store
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at November 28, 2021 01:08 PM (h1jJh)
===

Too many damn Apple stores anyway!

Posted by: Idiot Mayor London Breed at November 28, 2021 01:24 PM (EZebt)

220 209: Firearms passed by the right. But with FDH in the WH and Dems controlling the House and Senate.

Are you interested in ocean front property in Arizona as well?

Posted by: PaleRider. Yay long weekend at November 28, 2021 01:24 PM (3cGpq)

221 Never quite got a carbine for home close quarters, think a 1911 would be better, that's my opinion.
Posted by: Skip

Behold the power of 'and'!

Posted by: Tonypete at November 28, 2021 01:24 PM (mD/uy)

222 63 Gun is a tool. Responsible gun ownership is part of the equation.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 28, 2021 12:24 PM (m45I2)

Replace "gun" with "religion."
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2021 12:27 PM (Q9lwr)
-------------------------

Damning God?

Posted by: Braenyard at November 28, 2021 01:25 PM (MLw1k)

223 >>>Hah , guaranteed there were no white lower signs being flashed. The Left have to lie even when it's not necessary .

Posted by: Just a side note at November 28, 2021 01:06 PM (iXJM1

Just closed fist raised in the air./

Posted by: Kyle Shot First at November 28, 2021 01:25 PM (qO5Ug)

224 Lefties hate gun owners and the second amendment. They say that gun owners believe the world revolvers around them.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 28, 2021 01:26 PM (axyOa)

225 At this point having legal defense lined up if you carry is a must. The fight after the initial fight of self defence is the one you can not do yourself. Also consider can, should, must now or I'm a deadman before taking the sd shot. I'm convicted that self defense prosecution depends on location and current politics. My state has pretty good self defence law. But having the state turn blue it will change. (if only the local da will more likely be a democrat).

Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at November 28, 2021 01:26 PM (0OmEj)

226
The National Forearms Act was passed by the Right.

Well, blow me down!

Posted by: Popeye at November 28, 2021 01:26 PM (63Dwl)

227 Sorry...that sort of rhetoric doe not belong on this blog. [CBD]

Posted by: NR Pax at November 28, 2021 01:26 PM (+io4N)

228 Other than protecting loved ones....you may intervene unexpectedly.

Example: A guy is beating a woman by the cookies at HEB. Hard to see a beating and do nothing. Maybe she tried to take his money. Maybe she was involved in a kidnapping. Or tase the guy...don't ask questions.

Logistical questions....no time. What your soul can handle. No time for reflection.

If you're unsure...it's best to just tase everybody. Also the deepstaters always bring their own war fogging machine.

Amateur spys vs instant unplanned militias.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at November 28, 2021 01:26 PM (MB1Rv)

229 As soon as that ruling hit, I knew those guys were going to prison.
-----

Yeah. I was surprised that the jury went for the malice murder charge, though. Didn't follow closely enough to have an opinion as to the McM's motives, but I would have thought that the video showing Arbrey rushing him would've ruled premeditation out.

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at November 28, 2021 01:26 PM (sGnvY)

230 ...deleted...[CBD]

Internet & airwaves aren't listed in the 1st Amendment.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 28, 2021 01:29 PM (uXonU)

231 Branca has a good write up of the video of the shooting video from Lubbock that most of us have watched now; his opinion (which I agree with) is that it's an instance where the shooter went way over the line, and should be charged with voluntary manslaughter (at least).

Point to remember: when you're carrying a weapon, you can't just shoot anyone who acts stupid and makes you mad. Self control, as in all things, is essential. (Kyle Rittenhouse was one of the most self controlled young men I've seen)
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 28, 2021 12:48 PM (evAgx)

I agree. Where the shooter went wrong (beside escalating that $h!t-show by coming out onto the porch carrying a firearm), was retreating about 15 feet to line-up a better shot before pulling the trigger. That totally negated any self-defense.

If the shooter had started blasting when the shootee had grabbed the gun barrel, that would have probably been considered justified.

His indifference to the victim laying there dead at his feet isn't a good look, either.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at November 28, 2021 01:31 PM (pJWtt)

232 Arms include ammunition any way you look at it. Especially if you add well regulated to the mix. No militia is well regulated without ammunition.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 28, 2021 01:31 PM (iXJM1)

233 "Internet & airwaves aren't listed in the 1st Amendment." And the airwaves are mostly controlled by the feds which the commies like since they dominate the deep state, and they'd love to have the feds license and control internet as well.

Posted by: PaleRider. Yay long weekend at November 28, 2021 01:32 PM (3cGpq)

234 Never quite got a carbine for home close quarters, think a 1911 would be better, that's my opinion.

And a valid one, no doubt. Keep in mind that in a worst-case scenario, confrontation may not be all CQ. Have to work with what's most comfortable and practical. For me, the AR is sorta like an old friend - reliable and trustworthy.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 28, 2021 01:33 PM (Xrfse)

235 Yeah. I was surprised that the jury went for the malice murder charge, though. Didn't follow closely enough to have an opinion as to the McM's motives, but I would have thought that the video showing Arbrey rushing him would've ruled premeditation out.
Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at November 28, 2021 01:26 PM (sGnvY)

simply put, if you're the one who starts the fight, self defense laws won't apply. The jury decided the McM's started the fight by chasing him on the road and confronting him.

And their biggest mistake is that ALL of the evidence against them came from their own stupid video and the things that THEY said both in statements to the police, and on the witness stand. They literally convicted themselves - I can't feel a whole lot of sympathy for people that stupid.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 28, 2021 01:33 PM (evAgx)

236 But it is entirely possible that the rapid breakdown of our legitimate legal protections by the progressive elite will yield unintended consequences. Imagine ... several hidden shooters.... ...well hidden and almost impossible to to discover.

The day the media discovered just how pissed off America is.
Posted by: Diogenes

Be just like the criminal. Hit & move. Hit & move. Unass the AO.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 28, 2021 01:33 PM (uXonU)

237 Uzi for CQC .

Posted by: Just a side note at November 28, 2021 01:34 PM (iXJM1)

238 ----- Yeah. I was surprised that the jury went for the malice murder charge, though. Didn't follow closely enough to have an opinion as to the McM's motives, but I would have thought that the video showing Arbrey rushing him would've ruled premeditation out.

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at November 28, 2021 01:26 PM (sGnvY)
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They were convicted in spite of evidence of innocence.
Aubrey obviously charged the man with the gun; however, the manner in which he had been hunted was so repulsive won the conviction.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 28, 2021 01:35 PM (MLw1k)

239 I agree. Where the shooter went wrong (beside escalating that $h!t-show by coming out onto the porch carrying a firearm), was retreating about 15 feet to line-up a better shot before pulling the trigger. That totally negated any self-defense.
. . . .
His indifference to the victim laying there dead at his feet isn't a good look, either.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop

I don't know the law at all - but one thing that struck me is the lack of emotion of any type, from the woman inside the house videoing the shoot. After Chad was down she just seemed to react in the manner of 'Oh well."

Seems to me something is up none of us know about just yet. Perhaps (wild ass guess time) a planned hit on a known hot head. Just spitballing here though.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 28, 2021 01:35 PM (mD/uy)

240 I imagine most people here know their states self defense laws, and if they don't would look them up. Attached is a summary of "Stand Your Ground" laws in a handy state map format, according to the law firm in the upper left corner.

Stand your ground> https://tinyurl.com/4emz92m8

Posted by: Javems at November 28, 2021 01:36 PM (K05kc)

241 I think Limp Wristed Grip used to tour with the Bee Gees.

Posted by: Just sayin'

Nah, I saw them open for the Femme Fatales at the Palladium in '86.

Or was that Thunderpussy?

Hmmm.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 28, 2021 01:37 PM (M8yB3)

242
174 It's the gun thread before the gun thread before the food thread that is before the gun thread.
Posted by: Skip at November 28, 2021 01:05 PM (2JoB

Guns are freedom's sustenance.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Sexual Racist. at November 28, 2021 01:37 PM (II3Gr)

243 Posted by: Javems at November 28, 2021 01:36 PM (K05kc)

Thanks . I see Wisconsin has civil immunity on certain self defense cases. I was worried that the Rittenhouse dead guys families would bring a civil suit.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 28, 2021 01:39 PM (iXJM1)

244 If you out and about and you just happen to cross paths with a CNN film crew. If you feel bold. Be vibrant and take all their shit....walets too

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at November 28, 2021 01:40 PM (MB1Rv)

245 Posted by: Sharkman at November 28, 2021 01:37 PM (M8yB3)

Did you watch the Asian lady vid ?

Posted by: Just a side note at November 28, 2021 01:40 PM (iXJM1)

246 "...goals were less noble?"

I think protection of innocent people and their property IS noble.

Posted by: MkY

The most basic and correct definition of "human civilization" is:

"When innocent farmers and hunters band together to slaughter the roving mobs of violent yutes who have been murdering them and taking their shit."

Posted by: Sharkman at November 28, 2021 01:40 PM (M8yB3)

247 222 63 Gun is a tool. Responsible gun ownership is part of the equation.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 28, 2021 12:24 PM (m45I2)

Replace "gun" with "religion."
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2021 12:27 PM (Q9lwr)

Religion is a tool. Responsible religion ownership is part of the equation.

Hmmm. I agree with the first sentence there. Not sure about the second's assumption that anyone owns religion. The Pope? The Ayatollahs? Joel Osteen?

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Sexual Racist. at November 28, 2021 01:40 PM (II3Gr)

248 234 Never quite got a carbine for home close quarters, think a 1911 would be better, that's my opinion.
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The recent shooting in TX is an example how a pistol is a better choice.

Read grabbed the barrel, used it for leverage and threw the bf off the porch. If Read had malevolent intent Read could have just as easily levered the gun away and used it against bf.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 28, 2021 01:41 PM (MLw1k)

249
Have you got a link to that?
Posted by: Sharkman at November 28, 2021 12:25 PM (M8yB3)

I'm still a half tard regard to tiny url.
Posted by: Just a side note at November 28, 2021 12:29 PM (iXJM1)

1. Copy the link address of the page you want to share.
2. Open a new tab http://is.gd (tiny is woke, don't use them).
3. Paste your link you want to share in the very obvious box, and press the equally obvious button.
4. Copy the resulting short url.
5. Paste it into your comment here at the hq.

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (IJES/) - at November 28, 2021 01:41 PM (IJES/)

250 Posted by: BifBewalski @ (IJES/) - at November 28, 2021 01:41 PM (IJES/)

Thanks. Someone was kind enough to post it.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 28, 2021 01:42 PM (iXJM1)

251 They were convicted in spite of evidence of innocence.
Aubrey obviously charged the man with the gun; however, the manner in which he had been hunted was so repulsive won the conviction.
Posted by: Braenyard at November 28, 2021 01:35 PM (MLw1k)

It wasn't just the juries sympathy; the law is very harsh in this regard. If YOU are the one who starts the confrontation, then YOU are going to be legally responsible for every bad decision the other guy makes, including being stupid and getting himself killed. That's why the prosecution in the Rittenhouse case tried to hard to prove "provocation". (they failed)

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 28, 2021 01:43 PM (evAgx)

252 237 Uzi for CQC .
Posted by: Just a side note at November 28, 2021 01:34 PM (iXJM1)

MP5 would be my choice. Higher cycle rate, better ergonomics.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Sexual Racist. at November 28, 2021 01:43 PM (II3Gr)

253 RE Lubbock Tex.
The kid who wasn't there...is 11yo, and likely wasn't being KEPT from his father, but rather was either intentionally avoiding him or was simply Tardy. Angry Father screaming on ex wife's front porch said he had already called them and cops were on the way to "Her Mothers" house, not to their location. He and "New wife" were making blackmail threats about divulging ex wife/boyfriends "Affair", apparently did not realize his divorce was already in process and within days of being final.

Posted by: Birddog at November 28, 2021 01:45 PM (uAI4S)

254 Big thing is though, make good your Escape!

Jim

You sure about that? If you never turn your scope skyward, how do they see it?
Hell, I think optics are kinda required for what I envision some noble person doing.
Posted by: MkY at November 28, 2021 12:35 PM (Foq6I)

Build/create a shield like tube for the business end of the optics. That will eliminate any (except direct from the target) light scatter or collection of side scatter from other sensors dedicated to exploiting that weakness.

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (IJES/) - at November 28, 2021 01:45 PM (IJES/)

255 Ace owes us a "What I Did During My Thanksgiving Break" essay when he gets back. Two pages minimum, single lined paper, the grade will be based on:
20% spelling
30% grammar
50% sexual innuendo

10% bonus for documenting hobo kills in perfect rhyme.

Posted by: banana Dream at November 28, 2021 01:45 PM (Psn3N)

256 I don't know the law at all - but one thing that struck me is the lack of emotion of any type, from the woman inside the house videoing the shoot. After Chad was down she just seemed to react in the manner of 'Oh well."

Seems to me something is up none of us know about just yet. Perhaps (wild ass guess time) a planned hit on a known hot head. Just spitballing here though.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 28, 2021 01:35 PM (mD/uy)

Yeah, that struck me as odd also. People react strangely when under stress from a traumatic incident, but standing around without doing anything while the shootee lays there dead was really weird.

P.S. I think I saw you mention in the Book Thread that your brother got ordained. Religious order or diocesan priest?

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at November 28, 2021 01:46 PM (pJWtt)

257 Hidden Kyle Rittenhouses doing what he did except from beyond CCTV and witnesses is absolutely noble.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton

Doing what Kyle Rittenhouse did is exactly what every American boy over the age of 16 should be trained to do. He is a Minuteman of the Olde Schoole variety.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 28, 2021 01:47 PM (M8yB3)

258 252 237 Uzi for CQC .
Posted by: Just a side note at November 28, 2021 01:34 PM (iXJM1)

MP5 would be my choice. Higher cycle rate, better ergonomics.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Sexual Racist. at November 28, 2021 01:43 PM
Well if we're going down this road, I want a SEAL detachment with me.

Posted by: Eromero at November 28, 2021 01:47 PM (0OP+5)

259 The Lubbock shooting case is one in which I changed my mind after listening to Mr. Branca's 32 minute analysis.
Not self defense.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 28, 2021 01:48 PM (jTmQV)

260 >>>When her son see's that video, and he will one day, he will blame her for the rest of his life.

Posted by: redridinghood at November 28, 2021 01:13 PM (NpAcC)
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Not to mention the rigged custody by ex-wife's boy friend and his relationship with the judge.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 28, 2021 01:48 PM (MLw1k)

261 If YOU are the one who starts the confrontation, then YOU are going to be legally responsible for every bad decision the other guy makes, including being stupid and getting himself killed.
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Yeah, but I would have thought that that should be some lesser murder charge. (The "you started a confrontation and things went south" type, rather than the "you decided to go kill a man" type.)

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at November 28, 2021 01:50 PM (sGnvY)

262 The thing about the McCloskey case that is MOST chilling is not that the prosecutor was forced odd the case. It's that the case went forward AFTER the prosecutor was caught ordering the inoperable pistol the Mrs. was carrying into an operable pistol.

What Mrs. Was carrying was a courtroom prop that had its firing pin inserted backwards. This was discovered by the State crime lab and reported to the prosecutor. She ordered them to reverse the firing pin and restore the weapon to lethality.

The prosecutor should be doing hard time.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 28, 2021 01:51 PM (M8yB3)

263 I am hoping that ace made a ton of pancakes over the break.

Posted by: blaster at November 28, 2021 01:51 PM (mbFEM)

264 Together at last.

https://youtu.be/1wP3dOUl3Xg

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 28, 2021 01:52 PM (FVME7)

265 >>> Uzi for CQC .
Posted by: Just a side note at November 28, 2021 01:34 PM (iXJM1)

MP5 would be my choice. Higher cycle rate, better ergonomics.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Sexual Racist. at November 28, 2021 01:43 PM
Well if we're going down this road, I want a SEAL detachment with me.
Posted by: Eromero at November 28, 2021 01:47 PM (0OP+5)

Including a crew-served AGL would simply be prudent.

Posted by: banana Dream at November 28, 2021 01:53 PM (Psn3N)

266 Rooftop Kyles instead of Rooftop Koreans.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (2SdPm) at November 28, 2021 01:53 PM (2SdPm)

267 The prosecutor should be doing hard time.
Posted by: Sharkman at November 28, 2021 01:51 PM (M8yB3)

Types

Deletes

This

Posted by: A dude in MI at November 28, 2021 01:54 PM (/6GbT)

268 Short barrelled 12 gauge pump with an extended magazine loaded with double aught bucks, in case some dumbass is hiding behind a wall.

Posted by: Javems at November 28, 2021 01:54 PM (K05kc)

269 Yeah, but I would have thought that that should be some lesser murder charge. (The "you started a confrontation and things went south" type, rather than the "you decided to go kill a man" type.)
Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at November 28, 2021 01:50 PM (sGnvY)

I agree with that, but it's the nature of prosecutors today that they always overcharge. The 3rd guy, who really did nothing but follow along and make the videotape, is the one who got the rawest deal. On the other hand, if he would have just stayed home that day and not made a video of anything, probably no one would have ever been convicted of anything. And a lot of the evidence against the McM's was the things that the 3rd guy said in his police interview - he sang like a bird and sunk them all.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 28, 2021 01:54 PM (evAgx)

270 P.S. I think I saw you mention in the Book Thread that your brother got ordained. Religious order or diocesan priest?
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop

Hi RBC - yes, little brother was ordained as a Catholic Deacon. He has eight kids and a boatload of grands with two more grands due this and next month. I don't know how he found the time. Ironically, or maybe not, he was the epitome of the Prodigal Son. A notorious player back in the day but now, a great man.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 28, 2021 01:54 PM (mD/uy)

271
There was a guy on a busy corner near my house that held up a Trump flag with an AR-15 on his back.

I'm not kidding when I say that probably cost Trump the state. Guy was relentless.
Posted by: Blago at November 28, 2021 12:57 PM (PwNLq)

If this is the case the state was lost long before Trump.
Also, I'd use my AR for protection far before my M1A, more accurate, lighter, less powerful and less ftf. I know your point was more to not use the rifle people demonize but that's saying I shouldn't use a better tool because it scares idiots. I don't care about them I care about me.

Posted by: Inogame at November 28, 2021 01:54 PM (Ix9q8)

272 >>> I am hoping that ace made a ton of pancakes over the break.
Posted by: blaster at November 28, 2021 01:51 PM (mbFEM)

Yeah, I'm hoping the little ewok got the batter pancaked out of him multiple times.

Posted by: banana Dream at November 28, 2021 01:54 PM (Psn3N)

273 263 I am hoping that ace made a ton of pancakes over the break.

Posted by: blaster at November 28, 2021 01:51 PM (mbFEM)

Are stale pancakes usable as shelves? If not, perhaps as bookends, if you bend them to a right angle before leaving them out to go stale?

Posted by: Gref at November 28, 2021 01:55 PM (AMIL/)

274 If YOU are the one who starts the confrontation, then YOU are going to be legally responsible for every bad decision the other guy makes, including being stupid and getting himself killed.
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Yeah, but I would have thought that that should be some lesser murder charge. (The "you started a confrontation and things went south" type, rather than the "you decided to go kill a man" type.)
Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at November 28, 2021 01:50 PM (sGnvY)

I didn't follow that incident closely, but it seems that those guys followed him in a truck after the black guy took off on foot. Obviously, the jury didn't like that and pencil-whipped the defendants.

The moral of the story is: if you confront some dip$h!t with a firearm and he flees, don't follow him. You foiled the crime -- give a good description to the police and neighborhood.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at November 28, 2021 01:55 PM (pJWtt)

275 Pancakes sound pretty good right about now.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 28, 2021 01:56 PM (Xrfse)

276 Has anyone watched Capitol Punishment by Searcy?

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at November 28, 2021 01:56 PM (/UQ/R)

277 Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at November 28, 2021 01:55 PM (pJWtt)M

Yes probably the best advice in these times but yet another concession to criminals.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 28, 2021 01:58 PM (iXJM1)

278 "If They Can't Take Away Our 2nd Amendment Rights To Possess Weapons, They Will Take Away Our Right To Use Them In Self Defense"

Yes. This was bloody obvious 10 years ago with the Zimmerman thing. But no one, not political conseeeervatives, very few gun rights people, hardly anyone at all would speak up about it. I am constantly, to this day, in arguments with people whenever this comes up. The ignorance about the facts of the Zimmerman case are quite similar to Rittenhouse. But no one would speak up. First they came for George Zimmerman but no one would speak up because he simply wasn't pure enough. Pathetic. But yes, yes tell me how much you support the 2nd amendment and you d***n lawyers, NRA and associated "insurance" sales men, please please tell me where I can send my money after the fact to "save" me.

Posted by: WTP at November 28, 2021 01:58 PM (WQfDg)

279 Just spit-ballin' here, you understand.

Posted by: MkY

Someone found a picture of the "woman" who is in charge of the Milwaukie branch of AntiFa, which is presently raising $5M fpr the Bail Fund that Kamala Harris donated to that is used to bail out their foot soldiers. No coincidence that she was caught on film passing out gear to AntiFa soldiers at Kenosha last year. Also not a coincidence that $5M is the exact amount the Waukesha SUV needs to get out of police impound.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 28, 2021 02:00 PM (M8yB3)

280 Hi RBC - yes, little brother was ordained as a Catholic Deacon. He has eight kids and a boatload of grands with two more grands due this and next month. I don't know how he found the time. Ironically, or maybe not, he was the epitome of the Prodigal Son. A notorious player back in the day but now, a great man.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 28, 2021 01:54 PM (mD/uy)

Congratulations to him. I had been feeling a calling myself for a while and during prayer last month, God told me, "You want to be a lay Dominican." So, now I am.

I fell away from the Church for decades myself. But, I think God was waiting until I had amassed the skills I needed for my new vocation.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at November 28, 2021 02:00 PM (pJWtt)

281 Posted by: WTP at November 28, 2021 01:58 PM (WQfDg)

I'm still trying to find the similar case that happened in Western NY around the same time where the races were reversed. I think it's been buried.

Posted by: Just a side note at November 28, 2021 02:01 PM (iXJM1)

282 1st NOOD

Posted by: Skip's Phone at November 28, 2021 02:01 PM (2JoB8)

283 I've been hearing yapping from the Usual Suspects about Rittenhouse's case getting retried in federal court. Is that a possibility or is it just wishful thinking?

Posted by: NR Pax at November 28, 2021 02:02 PM (+io4N)

284 220 209: Firearms passed by the right. But with FDH in the WH and Dems controlling the House and Senate.

Are you interested in ocean front property in Arizona as well?
Posted by: PaleRider. Yay long weekend at November 28, 2021 01:24 PM (3cGpq)
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My bad. Meant the GCA of '68 backed by the NRA.

Posted by: Hold My Montrachet, I'm Off To Make Some Truffled Porcini Risotto at November 28, 2021 02:02 PM (qi/+I)

285 " Is that a possibility or is it just wishful thinking?"

With the Garland AG, anything is possible, including holding trespassers in solitary confinement for months without bail.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 28, 2021 02:05 PM (jTmQV)

286 there are already laws for "Wrong Use" of a weapon ... for instance one can't point a gun at someone afaik ... "just for fun" .. because it is a threat.

Gun Safety should be part of school curriculum, but we know any such classroom requirements like that for basic gun ownership will move toward an impossible hurdle for the average citizen.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 28, 2021 02:05 PM (Cus5s)

287 Posted by: Just a side note

I think that may have been referenced by a UF graduate cub reporter at the time. A kid whom I think was black who was initially sympathetic to GZ, IIRC. They bought him off by getting him a job as a sports reporter. Can't find that story right now either but they may have a common thread through that cub reporter. I think...

Posted by: WTP at November 28, 2021 02:07 PM (WQfDg)

288 there are already laws for "Wrong Use" of a weapon ... for instance one can't point a gun at someone afaik ... "just for fun" .. because it is a threat.

Like that attorney did last week in the courtroom?

Posted by: Infidel at November 28, 2021 02:07 PM (LZkdC)

289 With the Garland AG, anything is possible, including holding trespassers in solitary confinement for months without bail.

A fair point. Hopefully he has his lawyer is on speed dial.

Posted by: NR Pax at November 28, 2021 02:07 PM (+io4N)

290 283 I've been hearing yapping from the Usual Suspects about Rittenhouse's case getting retried in federal court. Is that a possibility or is it just wishful thinking?
Posted by: NR Pax at November 28, 2021 02:02 PM (+io4N)

wishful thinking on the leftard's part.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 28, 2021 02:07 PM (evAgx)

291 Sorry progs, disarming black people is your thing not ours... keep owning yourselves.

Posted by: Inogame

Yeah, the Commie/Libs are stumped when you tell them that the NRA was created specifically to protect the right of freed slaves to be armed and to be safe from the Democrats' 19th century AntiFa goons, the KKK.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 28, 2021 02:08 PM (M8yB3)

292 With the Garland AG, anything is possible, including holding trespassers in solitary confinement for months without bail.

A fair point. Hopefully he has his lawyer is on speed dial.
Posted by: NR Pax at November 28, 2021 02:07 PM (+io4N)
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To be fair.... The Right AND Left have been doing this since they passed the poorly named "Patriot Act."

Posted by: Hold My Montrachet, I'm Off To Make Some Truffled Porcini Risotto at November 28, 2021 02:13 PM (qi/+I)

293 Looking at all of this.... The entire thread.... And cannot think of a skngle thing that I need the government for....including their masks...."vaccines," or their opinions on covid or gun laws.

Posted by: Hold My Montrachet, I'm Off To Make Some Truffled Porcini Risotto at November 28, 2021 02:16 PM (qi/+I)

294 2. - I did not say that the McCloskeys should not have a right to own guns or that there should be preconditions on their 2A rights. I'm just saying that gunowners have a moral responsibility to use their guns responsibly.

And I think I shall leave it at that.
Posted by: Muldoon
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I agree that gun owners should use guns responsibly, but the McCloskeys weren't really being irresponsible. The guns they were holding were not loaded, and in the case of the gun in Mrs. McCloskey's hand, the gun was not even operable -- and both McCloskeys knew it.

You could characterize the McCloskeys' use of the guns as stupid, in that they were threatening a hostile mob, some of whom were themselves armed, with unloaded guns, but it was not irresponsible in the sense that the McCloskeys might have accidentally shot somebody.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at November 28, 2021 02:22 PM (k4dH2)

295 But it is entirely possible that the rapid breakdown of our legitimate legal protections by the progressive elite will yield unintended consequences. Imagine the Kenosha riots, but instead of Kyle Rittenhouse doing what he did, there were several hidden shooters whose goals were less noble. Instead of merely protecting life and property, perhaps they would be playing a more punitive role...well hidden and almost impossible to to discover.

Which is EXACTLY why the FBI had High Def Drones flying... not to catch BLM or AntiFa, but those White Folks they see as a REAL threat...

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 28, 2021 02:28 PM (oHd/0)

296 Late to party...

The looters are pieces of shit but if you play with fire and get burned ( literally and figuratively) dont come crying to me about it. If you put a store in the middle of the hood what the fuck do you expect will happen? You made a risk reward calculation and thought the cheaper land was worth the risk.
Posted by: JoeXiDen - Lessko Brandon at November 28, 2021 12:57 PM (JPK1I)

Big picture. There should be no hoods in the US. This behavior is tolerated and could be managed and controlled. Hurricanes cannot.

FIXT

Posted by: Golfman at November 28, 2021 02:34 PM (zBUU6)

297 IMO the Arbery case was the latest successful installment of the effort to criminalize self-defense.
Read what Legal Insurrection has to say about it before condemning me for defending "rednecks" for "hunting negroes".
Instapundit was pretty quick to toss them under the bus.

Posted by: Cluebat at November 28, 2021 02:42 PM (HhCjX)

298 Don't go looking for trouble, but if trouble comes to you? S, s and s.

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at November 28, 2021 02:47 PM (TU8Tj)

299 Ace took a walk on the otter side.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at November 28, 2021 02:52 PM (MB1Rv)

300 The LoUC cannot be denied, and neither can the natural human right to self-defense.

Whether TPTB mean to or not, what they are setting up is a situation where normal people will experience "in for a penny, in for a pound" crossed with "if you're going to do the time, you might as well do the crime."

The next guy to be attacked, after having to pull the trigger, might just then decide to kill as many rioters as he possibly can before having to surrender.

Posted by: SciVo at November 28, 2021 02:53 PM (5XZ7Q)

301 If every time I Soros prosecutor brought a charge against someone protecting themselves from rioters, some OTHER public spirited citizen decided to shoot said prosecutor, the assault on self defense would quickly end

Heck, DAs are elected. Which means they have to go out in public and run for office.

It's still Flight 93, and the terrorists are still trying to destroy America

Posted by: Greg Q at November 28, 2021 03:09 PM (2ifh6)

302 Daniel Perry. Austin TX July 25 2020. Serious shenanigans with the DA (but it's Travis County so that's to be expected)

Posted by: Stacy0311 at November 28, 2021 03:30 PM (SqpTW)

303 Which is EXACTLY why the FBI had High Def Drones flying... not to catch BLM or AntiFa, but those White Folks they see as a REAL threat...
Posted by: Romeo13 at November 28, 2021 02:28 PM (oHd/0)

Which means make sure that your escape route includes going through buildings that a fair number of people pass through

Posted by: Greg Q at November 28, 2021 03:38 PM (2ifh6)

304 "Insurance typically covers the building.

Not the contents. That's my understanding."

Homeowners policy typically cover some huge amount of contents, usually defaults to $100,000 or some other huge amount. That is ridiculously high amount for most people and he insurance company would never pay that out if your house was destroyed. I told my insurance company that and tried to get it dropped form the coverage. Not possible I was told. I have tried several times, unsuccessfully. It is a huge money maker for them.

Posted by: Ripley at November 28, 2021 04:04 PM (MxEKc)

305 17
Hidden Kyle Rittenhouses doing what he did except from beyond CCTV and witnesses is absolutely noble.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2021 12:14 PM (s2VJv)

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Did you know there was an FBI spy drone in Kenosha?

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at November 28, 2021 04:14 PM (1FJMR)

306 Funny that Grumpy did show up on this thread.

Maybe he doesn't post on Sundays.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at November 28, 2021 04:23 PM (1FJMR)

307 Re: "Heather from Alberta"

How is it possible for there to be Canadians who have never visited the United States?

Posted by: Cow Demon - Free Australia! at November 28, 2021 05:24 PM (CdZ4i)

308 It wasn't just the juries sympathy; the law is very harsh in this regard. If YOU are the one who starts the confrontation, then YOU are going to be legally responsible for every bad decision the other guy makes, including being stupid and getting himself killed. That's why the prosecution in the Rittenhouse case tried to hard to prove "provocation". (they failed)
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 28, 2021 01:43 PM (evAgx)

How long does "provocation" last? Seems to me he had 350 degrees of escape yet chose to run 60 yards towards two armed men to fight them for their weapons. Being a law abiding citizen in that situation.. I'd cut through yards, knock on doors, yell "help!", and call the police. This was a railroad job to keep the armed black supremacists outside the courthouse and cities from turning violent.
Andrew Branca believes the Judge was a pussy who didn't do his job by not defining an ambiguous law between two interpretations and decided to kick it to the jury to decide. He also said, when two interpretations of the law are reasonable, it's the judges duty to err on the side of the defense as the state is the one who wrote the shoddy language.

Posted by: VAR1ABLE at November 28, 2021 05:28 PM (4iZNB)

309 That's my recommendation for dealing with BLM-Antifa.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at November 28, 2021 05:28 PM (AnQMZ)

310 297 IMO the Arbery case was the latest successful installment of the effort to criminalize self-defense.
Read what Legal Insurrection has to say about it before condemning me for defending "rednecks" for "hunting negroes".
Instapundit was pretty quick to toss them under the bus.
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AGREED.

Posted by: VAR1ABLE at November 28, 2021 05:29 PM (4iZNB)

311 Did you know there was an FBI spy drone in Kenosha?

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at November 28, 2021 04:14 PM (1FJMR)
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Keep a GPS jammer in the car, as well as a Faraday bag. And keep a brass catcher mounted. Pick out videographers, first.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at November 28, 2021 05:31 PM (AnQMZ)

312 Oh yeah, and don't turn yourself in like some kind of dumbass.

Happy hunting, Patriots.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at November 28, 2021 05:32 PM (AnQMZ)

313 The upside to all this, as you point out, CDB, is that since citizens no longer have trust and confidence in the government, they will be pushed to act even more in self-defense and prone to confront State agents with extreme prejudice.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at November 28, 2021 12:42 PM (nMx8

It's the other way around - the people have forfeited the government's confidence.

Posted by: Bertolt Brecht at November 28, 2021 05:35 PM (CdZ4i)

314
190 "Point to remember: when you're carrying a weapon, you can't just shoot anyone who acts stupid and makes you mad. Self control, as in all things, is essential."

The good thing is that, at least when I am carrying, I'm cool as cucumbers. Why? It was stated in the concealed carry class - when you are carrying, people can do anything they want, and that's OK - they don't know that there are some lines that cannot be crossed. Another example given there - road rage. Some moron flips you the bird and starts doing stupid crap to you on the highway? Fine, let them. Because you are armed, it's cool - there are lines that can't be crossed and you know where they are. (And in the class you are shown where they legally are.)

Posted by: Snake Spirit at November 28, 2021 05:49 PM (CdZ4i)

315 Law of Self Defense is well worth your time and money! "They" are out to get you and 1 self defense issue and you're staring at multi-thousands to million plus dollars of defense. You do want to know the law so you know what you can and can't do in a self defense situation. Kyle Rittenhouse managed to get things right, but his trial should show the lengths these DA's will go to make your life a living hell for using the process as punishment. It's soo easy to make a small misstep and that becomes prosecutorial fodder against you.

Posted by: Janir at November 28, 2021 06:35 PM (7FTeO)

316 Author makes great points if you reside in blue state insane asylums where queers reach to 5 year olds in libraries and BLM loots local malls. However in sane, descent socities markmanship medals are provided along with a free years supply of ammo.

My advise to the author is when assaulted remind the mob that you support BLM and antifa.

Posted by: Harry at November 28, 2021 09:17 PM (EcD5Y)

317 Don't need any more weapons, but I did purchase a new shovel...

Posted by: Unclezip at November 28, 2021 09:42 PM (uGdAo)

318 308
How long does "provocation" last? Seems to me he had 350 degrees of escape yet chose to run 60 yards towards two armed men to fight them for their weapons.
Posted by: VAR1ABLE at

What a load of bullshit.

Kyle ran towards the police to turn himself in. The attackers chased him down, and would have chased him down no matter which direction he ran.

He was in a commercial district. What "houses" was he supposed to go too?

Here's a hint: when you don't know what you're talking about, STFU

Posted by: Greg Q at November 28, 2021 10:37 PM (2ifh6)

319 a long(ish) range sniper providing "overwatch" of police when they are battling a riot is not too far fetched ... throw a brick get a reply ...

I do like the South Korean riot police training video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbFSVh1mmiw

Posted by: The Dark Lord at November 29, 2021 12:18 PM (5cMUX)

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